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Look around the room, we have a quorum of members.

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And so the work session is beginning at 4.02 PM on

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September 25th, 2017.

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The purpose of the work session is to clarify the agenda

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and

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to take up any other issues that may not be subject to the

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agenda that can be talked about.

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I wanted to bring up one thing before we started, and that

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is many of us have not been here for a while.

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And just so that everyone's clear as to kind of the concept

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of what we're doing, this is a variance board.

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And there are four criteria that we are able to look at in

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order to evaluate a variance.

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And I wanted to just briefly state what those are just for

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the record so everybody knew as well as we knew but

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everybody else knew.

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First is under Chapter 33, the commission, the board of

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adjustment must find in order to grant a variance that due

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to some unique condition or

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feature of the property, which is not generally common to

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other properties,

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literal compliance with the sign regulation would not cause

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unnecessary hardship.

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So that's one criteria.

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The granting of the variance will not violate the spirit or

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intent of the ordinance.

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That's criteria number two.

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The condition or feature which creates the need for the

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variance did not result from the property owner's acts.

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And finally, the board shall not grant a variance to any

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applicant solely for personal convenience,

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financial hardship, or other reasons unrelated to the

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property.

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The board grants a variance, the variance shall be granted

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only to the extent that it is reasonably necessary to

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remedy the hardship.

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The board may impose conditions relating to the use of the

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sign for which a variance is granted.

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So that's the four conditions for purposes of a signed

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ordinance variance.

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Okay?

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All right.

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So now back on, back on.

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Since we're in the work session, do any of the commission

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ers want to discuss or talk about any portion of the agenda

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this evening?

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Okay.

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Hearing no discussion points on the agenda, do I have a

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motion to conclude the work session?

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>> So moved.

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>> Motion made by Mr. Higgins, seconded by Mr. House.

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Any discussion?

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All in favor?

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>> Aye.

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>> Aye.

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>> Okay.

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Everyone is in favor.

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Now we're going to go ahead and open up the meeting, the

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regular meeting of the board of adjustment.

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Again, looking around, we have a quorum.

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So let's start with the pledge of allegiance.

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If everyone will stand.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and

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to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, now we're going to do the Texas flag.

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Honor the Texas flag.

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I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one

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and indivisible.

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Okay, thank you all.

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>> All right, we're going to go to agenda item number two,

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which is consider approval of the Zoning Board of Adjust

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ment minutes for October 31st, 2016.

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Yes, ma'am, Ms. Briggle.

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>> I just have a question, I guess, about voting on this,

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obviously.

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New members wouldn't vote on the minutes since they were

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here, but should we break it up into two parts since you

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had excused yourself for the Denton ISD?

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But you're here for half, like how does that work?

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>> Hold on.

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>> Pardon. >> Your mic was not on.

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There's a little button. >> No, it's totally on.

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>> It's totally on. >> It's green.

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I can hear myself.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah.

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Should I say that again?

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>> Why don't we say it again?

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>> Okay. >> Yes, ma'am.

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>> All right, so obviously newer members wouldn't be voting

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on the minutes, but since you had excused yourself for the

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Denton ISD new building,

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do we need to vote on minutes in two separate parts,

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because your voice should be heard for the rest of the

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meeting, don't you think?

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>> I would go to legal on that.

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I've never heard of such a thing.

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I don't know that we can- >> I don't know, how does that

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work?

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>> Can do it either, but so I'm going to refer over to

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legal counsel on that.

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>> No, you don't need to break it up.

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You can do it as one.

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>> Okay. >> All right, great.

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>> All right, so has everyone had the opportunity to look

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at the October 31st, 2016 minutes?

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>> Yes.

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>> Do I have a motion?

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>> Aye.

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Make a motion to approve.

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>> The chair recognizes Mr. Chirot, who made a motion to

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approve.

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>> I'll second.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Chair recognizes Ms. Briggle, who seconds it.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing no discussion, all in favor?

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>> Aye.

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>> Aye.

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>> Okay, as well as myself, all has been in favor, and the

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motion carries.

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All right, we're going to go to the public hearings.

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First, I'd like to let everyone know if you have not

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submitted a comment card or a request to speak card.

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These are outside, and you may wish to do so in order to be

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able to speak or talk on the item.

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Generally speaking though, if a representative is here for

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an action item, we will recognize you as being here and

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allow you to speak, I believe.

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So we should be good.

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But there are cards if anybody wants to speak.

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Okay, we're going to take up ZBA 170003.

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Hold a public hearing and consider approval of a variance

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from chapter 33,

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signs and advertising devices of the code of ordinances.

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Specifically section 33.14.2 as it relates to the maximum

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allowed effective area and

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the number of allowed signs in a non-residential district.

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The variance requested is for a second monument sign with

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over 60 square feet of

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effective area on the east side of Mayhill Road,

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approximately 770 feet south of Colorado Boulevard.

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That is ZBA action number 17-003, Heart Hospital.

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And we're going to go ahead and have the staff present.

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>> Good afternoon, my name is Haley Zagorski, I'm a senior

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planner.

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And this, as you mentioned, is case ZBA 17-3 for the Heart

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Hospital.

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The request is to hold a public hearing and consider

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approval of a variance from

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chapter 33, signs and advertising devices of the code of

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ordinances.

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Specifically section 33.14.2 as it relates to the maximum

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allowed effective area and

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the number of allowed signs in a non-residential district.

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The site shown here on the map outlined in yellow is

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located at 2801 South Mayhill Road.

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A couple of features on the site I wanted to point out.

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There are currently two signs located along the frontage of

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Mayhill Road.

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Indicated in red is an approximately 59 square foot stone

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monument sign.

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It's located at the southwest corner of the property.

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And then on the northwest side of the property, there's an

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approximately 32 square foot aluminum sign.

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And up here where the blue stars is also the approximate

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location of the proposed sign.

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This property is zoned regional center commercial downtown.

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And a little bit of background on the site.

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The applicant indicated with their request that this new

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sign is necessary for

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them to comply with Texas Department of State Health

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Services requirements.

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As it relates to emergency entrances onto a property.

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The site currently has two access points.

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You can see here one on the north end of the property and

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then one on the south end.

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And currently they do have a sign located in close

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proximity to each of those entrances.

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This north entrance close to where they intend to put the

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new sign is closest to their emergency entrance for the

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facility.

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In case you haven't been to the property, here are photos

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of the two existing signs.

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Here is that stone sign that's located at the south end of

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the property.

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And then here is the existing sign that they intend to

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replace if this variance is granted.

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And this is located on that northwest corner of the

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property.

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To give you a little bit more detail about the sign that

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they are proposing to put on site.

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It would be an aluminum sign that's internally illuminated.

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The current sign in this location is not illuminated.

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The sign would be 14 feet, 10 inches tall, approximately 6

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feet wide.

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That's for a total effective area of about 89 square feet.

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It would be double sided, so these graphics that you see

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here would appear on both sides.

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And the prominent feature of it is this emergency entry

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design that's called out at the top.

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Just to give you a little bit more detail about where the

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sign is, I passed out a copy of this map before the meeting

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Because I forgot to include it in your backup.

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It does show the exact location of where the sign would be

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in relation to existing utility easements that run along

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both frontages of the property here.

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So it would be nestled in between those two easements.

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So the variance request before you for this sign is two

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fold.

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The first aspect of the variance is for 29 square feet of

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excess effective area.

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The code allows for a maximum effective area of 60 square

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feet for ground signs located along arterial roads, which

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South Mayhill is a primary arterial.

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And the proposed sign is 89 square feet, so they're

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requesting 29 extra square feet above what's allowed by

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code.

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The second aspect of the variance is for a second sign on a

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property that has less than 500 square feet of frontage.

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Their lot has 477.6 feet of frontage on Mayhill Road.

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And according to the code, you are only allowed one ground

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sign on the property if you have less than 500 feet of

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frontage.

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So that existing second sign that they're proposing to

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replace is actually non-conforming to our current code.

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It was approved under a previous code and didn't need a

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variance at that time.

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In 2015 when we adopted the current sign ordinance, that

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ability to put that second sign back by right went away.

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I just wanted to point that out because I'm sure you're all

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wondering, well, how do they have one there now and they

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can't put one back in its place?

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So as we went over at the beginning of the meeting, these

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are the four criteria for approval of variance to the sign

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ordinance.

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And I'll go through these one by one as it relates to this

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request.

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So the first condition being due to some unique condition

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or feature of the property that is not generally common to

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other properties.

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Rural compliance with sign regulations would cause

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unnecessary hardship.

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As it relates to the second sign location, there is a

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physical limitation based on the length of the property.

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They only have 477 feet of frontage.

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Acquiring more would be probably unfeasible given the

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existing conditions and it being a platted lot.

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As it relates to the excess area that they've requested,

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staff did not identify any unique condition of the property

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that would generate the need for

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that extra area beyond the 60 square feet allowed.

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The second consideration is that the granting of the

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variance will not violate the spirit or intent of the

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ordinance.

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The intent of the sign ordinance is to balance the equally

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important but competing interest of free speech, public

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safety, and aesthetics of our community.

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This proposed sign wouldn't necessarily adversely impact

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any of those criteria.

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It wouldn't be creating new visual clutter because there's

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already a sign in approximately the same location.

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And this sign is intended to increase public safety by more

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clearly marking the emergency entrance for emergency

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vehicles coming to the hospital.

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The third condition is that the condition or feature that

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creates the need for the variance did not result from the

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property owners acts.

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With relation to this, I wanted to point out that the Hart

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Hospital moved into this property in about 2014.

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It was already a developed site at that time, so they just

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moved in and

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made some alterations to the existing building within the

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existing platted lot.

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According to the applicant, the existing sign is needing to

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be replaced in order for them to comply with state

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regulations.

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So it's not necessarily something they've created for

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themselves.

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And then our fourth consideration is that the board shall

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not grant a variance to any applicant solely for personal

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convenience,

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financial hardship, or other reasons unrelated to the

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property.

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And if the board does grant the variance, it be only to the

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extent reasonably necessary to remedy the hardship.

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And the board may impose conditions relating to the use of

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the sign for which the variance is granted.

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I just want to reiterate again that the staff identified

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that the lot dimensions do generate the need for that, or

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contribute to the need for that second sign because they

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cannot add more frontage to their property.

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Variance is the only means to acquire that second sign for

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their second entrance.

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And based on the information that was presented, we did not

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identify any unique aspect of the property generating a

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need for the excess size that's been requested.

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Given those considerations, staff is recommending approval

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of the request for

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a second sign to be located along the frontage of Mayhill,

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replacing that existing sign that we saw earlier.

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Staff is recommending denial of the request for increased

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effective area from 60 square feet to 89 square feet,

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because the need for this increased area does not appear to

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be related to anything unique to the property itself.

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And we also, in thinking about this, wanted to recommend a

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condition of our approval of that second sign location.

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That condition would be that an agreement be drafted and

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executed by the applicant,

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stating that the property owner would be responsible for

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maintenance of the sign in the event that work has to be

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conducted in those

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existing utility easements, just bringing large equipment

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in.

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Seems like it could pose some risk for the sign if work has

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to be done in close proximity to it.

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And with that, I can answer any questions you might have.

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>> Ms. Bruegel.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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I'd like to talk about the, I guess, the state regulations.

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So as I understand it, the current sign doesn't adhere to

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state regulations as far as size of lettering or

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something, can you explain that to me?

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>> Yes, and the applicant is here and I think they could

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better explain that.

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But my understanding is that state requires at least eight

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inch red lettering or

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some opposing red and white background or combination there

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of.

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And so to accommodate that size, they're needing a larger

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sign area.

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The current sign doesn't meet the requirements.

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>> So, but that sign was at some point put up that has the

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emergency lettering on it.

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Did state regulation change between the time that that sign

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was put up?

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And this new request, like how?

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>> That I'm not aware of.

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I'll have to let the applicant speak to that when he

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presents to you in a little bit.

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I do know the sign was put up in about 2014 when the

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building first came in.

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So it could be that the regulations have changed.

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>> I guess I'm just trying to figure out, if the state is

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requiring that of them, then why isn't the city granting

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that?

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And why isn't our sign ordinance kind of keeping up with

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that?

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But if it's, anyway, I'll talk to the applicant about it.

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>> Okay, and just to point out related to that, our

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ordinance does allow for

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experiences for emergency entrances in relation to the

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height of the sign and

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the setback from the roadway, but it doesn't for area or

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for sign location.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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>> I've got a question.

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I'm sorry, Mr. Higgins.

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>> You ask for questions later on.

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You ask for comments.

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I have a comment, not a question.

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>> Mr. Higgins, you can comment at any time.

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Yes, sir. >> I have an opinion on whether this should be

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done or not, but maybe-

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>> That's probably more when we get to the point of making

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a motion.

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That's probably something.

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Any additional comments?

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I would say I've got a comment, and that is if, or a

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question, and

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maybe I just need to understand this, the eight inch letter

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ing,

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that causes the area of the sign to have to be bigger.

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Is that a correct statement?

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Or did I miss something?

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>> I think it could be.

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I'm not sure exactly how the state regulations are worded.

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I think it's eight inches in height.

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I'm not sure what width that would require to comply with

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that.

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>> Maybe I'll say it a different way.

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Is it necessary to go to 89 square feet in order to

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accommodate the sign so it complies with state law?

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>> I do not believe so.

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Let me get back to the example of the sign here.

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You can see this portion in red is the portion that's

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needing to comply with the state regulations, is my

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understanding.

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So it seems that there could be room for the area of the

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sign to shrink in this lower portion perhaps,

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even if this upper part has to be that same size.

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>> But if you put emergency across it to give the public

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full knowledge and

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the ability to see it clearly, and that's gotta be in eight

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inch block letters.

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And it takes up the area that comprises that upper part.

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>> Yes.

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>> Then it would seem like you've got to have additional

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square footage.

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Am I, again, maybe I'm missing something.

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>> Let me, if I can, Chair, see, if the area that's

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calculated for

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the effective area is pretty much the base in all of the

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sign face.

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So if the area that you're referring to does remain the

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same,

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the areas outside of that could shrink to meet the 60 foot,

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square foot maximum.

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So it's not, in my opinion, it's not related to the

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emergency, the red area, the area in white.

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>> So you can make it lower?

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>> It can make it lower.

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>> Okay. >> And that would shrink the square footage.

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>> Okay. >> Thanks, Ron.

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Any additional questions?

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Okay, and at this point, does anyone want to speak on

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behalf of the move in?

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Yep, come on in, come on up.

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Go ahead and identify yourself and your address, if you

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will.

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And I'll need to go ahead and swear you in as well.

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>> All right. >> Okay, so go ahead and state your name.

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>> Brad Morgan.

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>> Okay, Mr. Morgan, if you'll put your right hand up, do

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you swear to tell the truth,

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the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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>> Yes, I do. >> Okay, you may proceed.

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>> All right, so I'm Brad Morgan, the VP of Operations at

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the Heart Hospital.

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We're going to thank you for your time.

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I can answer some of your questions, specifically the first

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question that you had

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about the sign regulations, the sign regulation that we're

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not compliant with right now

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with the Texas Department of State Health Services is the

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sign should be illuminated.

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And the current sign is not illuminated.

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Unfortunately, when we put the sign in, we did not realize

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that that was a code compliance.

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And it was pointed out when we did our chest pain accred

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itation that in order to stay accredited

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as a chest pain center, we must get an illuminated sign.

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And so this started the process of now we've got to get an

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illuminated sign so

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that we can stay a chest pain center and as the largest

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open heart surgery program in Denton County,

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probably a good thing for us to be a chest pain center.

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>> So to interrupt then, so you've had this sign,

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as long as you need to have an illuminated sign,

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that may be prompted maybe a brainstorming session about

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designing this sign.

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>> We did. >> We loved this big, beautiful 89 foot sign,

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but oops, that's too big.

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And so now we're here.

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>> So we brought in a sign vendor to do the architectural

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design.

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It's the same sign vendor that's used at all of the Baylor

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Scott and White health hospitals.

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And they basically just gave us the same sign that they put

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at all the rest of the Baylor Scott and White health

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campuses.

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And so this is standardized as to what we put at our other

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campuses.

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They also took into consideration the signage at the other

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two hospitals that are in the area.

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The sign that is directly across the street at Medical City

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Denton is a 90 square foot sign.

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And the one that was proposed is an 89 square foot sign.

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I think the sign vendor was taking into consideration what

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is normal.

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They were also taking into consideration the traffic

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patterns there and

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being able to read the sign and being at a height that was

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good for the location.

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If you've come down that location, if you come up the hill

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coming from the west side, you have to be able to see.

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So the sign needs to be a certain height.

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And so they were going for a certain height so that you

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could see the sign from down near the stop sign.

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In the corner of Colorado and May Hill.

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>> So are you able to adhere to the state regulations with

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a smaller sign, with a 60 foot sign?

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Can you still at least maintain your regulation?

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>> We could.

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We could shrink it down to a 60 square foot sign.

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And we do have an alternative plan for that 60 square foot

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sign.

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It does cause us to shrink the sign down in size.

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I have a rendering for that.

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And we're able to do that and capable of doing that.

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>> And then you said that there's a sign directly across

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the street?

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>> Directly across the street.

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>> On May Hill.

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>> Yes.

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>> Or Denton Regional that's 90 square feet.

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>> Yes, it's a 90 square foot sign, exact same purpose.

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It's their emergency entrance sign.

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>> And it's illuminated and it's on.

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>> Illuminated, the whole thing.

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And so we were trying to find a comparable sign to the one

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that's right across the street.

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But we can go with a 60 square foot sign if that's the way

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that the commission finds.

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>> And I understand that again, part of what I'm thinking

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about is the fact that it's an emergency.

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It's to direct traffic to the emergency room.

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>> That's exactly what the sign is for.

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Unfortunately, part of the problem with our current signage

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is that it doesn't illuminate night so you can't see it at

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night.

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And we've also had complaints from multiple patients and

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multiple EMS drivers that say they can't find our emergency

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entrance.

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And so we really need to, this is a patient safety issue to

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be able to find our emergency entrance.

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>> So in that same regard, does the placement of the sign

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in the location that it's being placed,

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does that obstruct any view traffic wise or any other view?

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>> Not to my knowledge, no.

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I have not seen anything that suggests that.

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>> Commissioners, any questions?

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Chair recognizes Mr. House.

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>> Thank you.

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I just have a question.

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You mentioned the sign at the hospital across from you.

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>> Yes. >> Do you happen to know when that sign went in?

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If it was under the current ordinances with its own

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variance?

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>> I asked that same question because I was wondering how a

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90 square foot sign, and

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unfortunately I haven't received an answer to that, so I'm

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not exactly sure.

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I'm assuming it probably came in under a previous sign

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ordinance.

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I do know that that sign has recently been updated though

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because the hospital did change their name.

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>> Right. >> To Medical City Denton, and so

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I'm assuming they received approval to be able to replace

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the sign that was there before.

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>> And if you use the 60 square foot sign instead of the 89

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one that you're requesting with the variance,

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you mentioned patient safety.

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Do you think that patient safety would be reduced with a

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smaller sign, or would it make no difference?

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>> I think the visibility would not be as good.

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I think it would be better than what we have today.

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>> Right.

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>> But it's not going to be as good because the sign will

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not be as tall.

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So the sign height would have to be shrunk down

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approximately two feet, two and

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a half feet, and then the sign width would have to be shr

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unk down approximately a foot.

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So the current sign that's being proposed is 14 feet, 10

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inches by 6 feet wide.

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The new sign would be 12 feet by 5 feet, so that it would

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fit in.

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And so it would change its sound, but it would not be a

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huge hindrance.

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>> Thanks.

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>> Okay.

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Chair recognizes Mr. Cole.

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>> Does the hospital across the street offer the exact same

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services, Open Heart, Cath Lab?

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>> They do.

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>> Okay.

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>> Any additional questions?

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Thank you very much for your time.

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>> Sure.

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>> So the public part of the, oh, back up.

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Are there any cards that?

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Okay.

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All right, so we've got a speaker card on this particular

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item.

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It's from, looks like Jennifer Lane.

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>> Yes.

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>> At 1526 Willowwood Street, Denton.

00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:01.880
>> Yes.

00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:05.000
>> And she is speaking in opposition.

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.079
So Ms. Lane, if you'll approach the podium and I'll need to

00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:09.319
go ahead and swear you in.

00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:09.819
>> Sure.

00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:12.720
>> Ms. Lane, if you'll put your right hand up.

00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.880
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing

00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:18.480
but the truth so that you got?

00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:19.160
>> I do, yes.

00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:20.599
>> Okay, you may proceed.

00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.240
>> Yesterday I drove by the facility and

00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:26.119
on the opposite direction there's a great deal of signage

00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.319
that's painted on the buildings itself.

00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.279
There's also a sign the same size as the one that's

00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.240
currently there coming from the direction that's under

00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:34.640
concern.

00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.759
There is no painted sign identifying the building on that

00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:41.720
side.

00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.589
There's less traffic, but there's still some coming that

00:26:45.589 --> 00:26:46.119
way.

00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:50.839
The actual square footage is rather small there.

00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.890
There's an entrance there that one can get to by seeing the

00:26:53.890 --> 00:26:56.240
sign, but there's also an entrance immediately after where

00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:57.839
all the painted buildings are.

00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.380
And the second sign is from the standpoint of someone

00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:03.240
trying to get there, you miss it, you still can get in.

00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:09.490
The height issue strikes me as a possible concern, but the

00:27:09.490 --> 00:27:13.759
size, if you see it, is very drastic.

00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:16.890
And if there's other competing signs, it might actually, in

00:27:16.890 --> 00:27:17.880
my opinion,

00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:23.359
defeat the purpose of the presenter in terms of confusing

00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.920
the eye, is my thought.

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>> Okay.

00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.680
>> A new sign is needed, but it may be fine with matching

00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:31.839
the other sign.

00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:33.160
>> All right, don't run off yet.

00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:33.720
>> Okay, okay.

00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:34.680
>> There may be questions for you.

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:35.400
>> Sure, sure, sure, thanks.

00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.720
>> Any questions of Miss Lane?

00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.990
Miss Lane, are you someone that frequents that area or

00:27:43.990 --> 00:27:45.880
works in the area or?

00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.930
>> I don't work in the area, but as often as any person in

00:27:49.930 --> 00:27:53.480
Denton, I would go there, no more and a less.

00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:58.400
>> Do you think that an emergency room sign would be

00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.839
helpful in that area?

00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.549
>> Well, there's already, but it's more visible coming from

00:28:03.549 --> 00:28:05.839
the highway direction than the opposite side.

00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.569
The building itself is painted with signs, and there's two

00:28:10.569 --> 00:28:12.759
signs exactly the same.

00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.900
One, it will stay, I suppose, because it's not being

00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:19.039
requested to be changed.

00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.710
And the paintings on the buildings themselves, the painting

00:28:22.710 --> 00:28:24.880
in the concrete is already there.

00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.250
On the side in question, there is not painting on the

00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:29.160
concrete.

00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.880
There's the sign that they desire to replace.

00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.299
I'm suspecting that having it illuminated will be attention

00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:39.319
grabbing in and of itself.

00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:40.640
>> How about?

00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.410
>> I didn't notice a great incline or anything driving

00:28:44.410 --> 00:28:45.519
either way.

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:50.000
So I suppose there is a hill, but it's not something that,

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.000
with all this other detail,

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.359
I didn't think, there's a big hill there, I can't see

00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:54.039
anything.

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:57.480
>> Yeah, I was really kind of focusing on you had said,

00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.359
well, you've been in the area and

00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.769
then you've gone past, or you've seen that there's two entr

00:29:03.769 --> 00:29:04.359
ances.

00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.769
>> Right. >> So the concern I had was, well, is it easy to

00:29:08.769 --> 00:29:09.759
miss then?

00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:10.720
>> No, I don't think so.

00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.420
Possibly from the direction in question, if the highway's

00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:17.400
behind you, you can't miss it.

00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:21.809
If you're going towards the highway, perhaps, but then

00:29:21.809 --> 00:29:23.160
immediately there's,

00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.140
imagine an illuminated sign there, let's say you still

00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:28.559
somehow missed an illuminated sign.

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:32.440
There's immediately all that other signage right there.

00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.000
>> Is your opposition mostly the size?

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:35.839
>> Just the size.

00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:36.480
>> Okay.

00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:37.079
>> Yeah.

00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:37.599
>> Thank you very much.

00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.839
>> I think there should be a new sign and it should comply.

00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:40.839
>> Okay, thank you very much.

00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.240
>> Thanks.

00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.240
>> Actually, sorry, any additional questions for Ms. Lane?

00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.359
Okay, hearing none.

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:50.900
Are there any other folks that wish to speak on this

00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:52.519
particular topic?

00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.569
Okay, looks like we are closing for public comment and we

00:30:00.569 --> 00:30:01.920
can take a motion if there is any.

00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.160
I'm sorry, we can open it for discussion, pardon me.

00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.000
>> I'd like to speak.

00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.319
>> The floor recognizes Mr. Higgins.

00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:13.240
>> Chair.

00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.359
>> I'd like to use, can I approach the screen?

00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:17.480
We'll have to speak from here.

00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:19.160
>> You can approach the screen.

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.740
>> Could you, Mr. Gershwin, could you put that first slide

00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:25.799
you had that's the aerial view?

00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.759
>> Thank you.

00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:37.519
>> This one or this one?

00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:38.019
>> Yeah.

00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.519
>> That's the bigger one.

00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.680
>> Is that one better?

00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.400
>> Mr. Higgins, be sure to use the mic too.

00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.000
>> No, I don't believe there's a pointer.

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.480
Point with the arrows here.

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.759
>> Mr. Higgins, you have to use the mic though.

00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:01.759
>> Yeah, okay.

00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.589
My premise is that if you are having a heart attack, you

00:31:08.589 --> 00:31:09.759
want to get there fast.

00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.849
And if someone's taking you, they want to be able to find

00:31:13.849 --> 00:31:14.759
it fast.

00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:20.279
And I would argue that this is a unique,

00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:26.960
the way this building is organized, it is unique.

00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.049
And it does deserve an exception, and I'll explain it this

00:31:30.049 --> 00:31:30.519
way.

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:38.400
If you drive it and you come in, and you come in here,

00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:45.440
you see this sign, the left third of the sign says

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.000
emergency, and there's an arrow.

00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:54.319
If you come down, come on, if you come down this way,

00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.819
and you turn, or if you come down this way and you turn

00:31:57.819 --> 00:31:59.000
left in here,

00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.680
that sign's facing 45 degrees to the road.

00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:06.089
You don't know whether that sign says go this way or this

00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:06.279
way.

00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.049
But even so, if somebody's in a hurry and they go down this

00:32:12.049 --> 00:32:13.400
way, this doesn't really,

00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.099
it's not really big enough to show you, but it is

00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:19.559
absolutely almost labyrinthine

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.630
what you have to do to find that emergency room that's in

00:32:22.630 --> 00:32:24.240
the back of the hospital.

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.950
Then the lady mentioned that there's a lot of big red signs

00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:30.119
on the walls where there has to be,

00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.000
to drive you through all this stuff.

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.799
Then you have to go around, you have to end up coming down

00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.759
along, go through here,

00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.269
wind down and go behind this thing, and then up in to find

00:32:42.269 --> 00:32:43.759
the emergency room.

00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.200
I mean, I don't know why it's located that way, but it is.

00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.720
And so, good directions are essential in this case,

00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.640
because we're talking about emergency services.

00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:05.089
When you look at this area over here, it doesn't show up

00:33:05.089 --> 00:33:05.599
very well,

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.920
but this is actually a big green space.

00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.500
There's road, there's large green space, then there's

00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:15.000
parking, and then you get to the hospital.

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.049
So the sign in that sense is not out of scale for the space

00:33:18.049 --> 00:33:18.960
that it's in.

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.200
And you really need, I think, to bring people in this way.

00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.440
If you bring people in this way, okay, this is the proposed

00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:28.240
location.

00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.289
If you bring people in this way, it's easy to direct them

00:33:31.289 --> 00:33:33.359
right down here and behind the hospital.

00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.920
It will be much, much more efficient, I think.

00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.900
And I think that a 14 foot sign, we're talking about a

00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:44.279
variance of 29 feet.

00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.759
Imagine a sign five by six feet.

00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.160
I mean, it doesn't really add all that much.

00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.119
I think the 14 feet in height is essential.

00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.440
People have to be able to see that.

00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:02.440
Now, I don't know what's going to go on across the road

00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:03.640
over here,

00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:07.039
but just like Mayhill, this is actually a divided road.

00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.639
There's a lot of space between here and there.

00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.440
And I can't see where putting the larger sign in here would

00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:18.920
in any way be obtrusive to view from any other angle.

00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:23.570
And so consequently, I would just speak in favor of the

00:34:23.570 --> 00:34:24.840
applicant.

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.679
Let them have their 14 foot larger sign.

00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:28.179
>> Thank you.

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:30.800
Any additional comments?

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.079
Chair recognizes Ms. Bruegel.

00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:34.599
>> Thank you, Chair.

00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.000
Mr. Higgins, I am prone to agree with you, actually.

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.239
My mom's been a patient at this hospital.

00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.289
And even in clear daylight, when I'm thinking clearly, it

00:34:45.289 --> 00:34:47.199
is challenging to find, and

00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.599
you're right, seconds count.

00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.010
And I think, especially, I was unaware that across the

00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:54.119
street,

00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:59.639
regional, sorry, medical city has an even larger sign.

00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.599
And so I think this request, though it does not conform to

00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:05.840
our current sign ordinances,

00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.159
I think it does conform to the area out there.

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.000
It's going to be well lit, it's going to be big enough so

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.530
that no matter what direction you're coming from, you can

00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:14.920
see it.

00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.800
And it kind of matches the sign across the street.

00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.360
So I'm also in favor of the applicant's request.

00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.440
>> Yeah, I would also mention that-

00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.039
>> Chair recognizes Mr. Higgins.

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.079
>> Thank you.

00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.880
I would also mention, I don't know if the sign's going to

00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.159
be lit in the daylight.

00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.800
But at night when it's lit, it's easy to see.

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.199
In daylight, if it's not lit, or even if it is, it's

00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:35.920
probably not that easy to see.

00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:37.880
And I think size helps.

00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:44.059
>> You know, when I read the material, the first thing I

00:35:44.059 --> 00:35:44.519
thought of,

00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.929
it's an emergency area, we need to give due deference for

00:35:48.929 --> 00:35:51.519
the minimal square footage change.

00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:55.320
And, you know, God forbid something happens and you can't

00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:56.000
see the place.

00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.960
It is a little bit difficult to see, but out there a lot.

00:35:59.960 --> 00:36:03.320
So I am personally in favor of granting the variance as

00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:04.239
requested.

00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.280
>> Chair recognizes Mr. Cole.

00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.199
>> This is also two competing hospitals.

00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.599
They're competing for CathLab and they're competing for

00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:16.239
Open Hearts.

00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.500
And, you know, one side, one business has a bigger sign

00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:24.159
than the sign of the other business.

00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.280
If you look at it business to business.

00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.440
So I'm where you guys are.

00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.599
>> Any additional comments?

00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:34.760
>> I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:35.280
>> Mr. Trott.

00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.119
>> I'm in favor of what y'all have been speaking of.

00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.710
I would love to reduce some of the clutter of signs in Dent

00:36:45.710 --> 00:36:47.400
on as we have the opportunities.

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.360
But this is not a neighborhood that has a lot of clutter in

00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:50.760
it.

00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.550
And while I don't, fortunately, have not had a need for

00:36:54.550 --> 00:36:57.639
this hospital, I do have doctors in that vicinity.

00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.880
And the signs are all well thought out in that area.

00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:05.119
>> Any additional comments?

00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:11.519
Would anyone like to make the chair recognize Ms. Prigle?

00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.559
>> Thank you, Chair.

00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.840
Yes, I would like to make a motion.

00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.320
I would move to approve the applicant's request.

00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:24.199
But I also really like the staff friendly amendment there,

00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:29.280
since it is in an easement that any damage to the sign that

00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.800
the property owner be responsible for that and not any

00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:33.000
maintenance workers.

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.480
So.

00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.000
>> Is there a second?

00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.000
>> Seconded by Mr. Cole.

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:38.519
Discussion?

00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.000
The only comment I've got is, is it really in an easement?

00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.039
>> Isn't that, did I, I understood that correctly?

00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.199
>> It's close to an easement.

00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.039
Sorry.

00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:47.920
>> It's like squeezed right in there or something.

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.340
>> I just hate to put a higher burden on the property owner

00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:51.599
if.

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:52.719
>> I, no, I agree.

00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.079
>> If it's not in an easement.

00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:55.280
But if it's in an easement, then.

00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.559
>> It is squeezed in between two easements.

00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.039
It is not located in either, there's a 16 foot utility eas

00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.079
ement to the east of it and

00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.880
a 20 foot utility easement on the south side, but it is

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.360
outside of both easements.

00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:10.320
>> That's what I thought.

00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:11.039
>> I see. >> I guess.

00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:12.960
>> Then I'm going to withdraw, I'm sorry, I thought it was

00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.460
just creeping over into the easement, so I'm going to

00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:16.440
withdraw that.

00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.239
Do I need to restate my motion then?

00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.000
>> I would restate it for the record if you don't mind.

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.909
>> Yeah, so I'm going to move for approval of the applicant

00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:25.800
's request as requested.

00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:26.599
>> Do we have a second?

00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:27.360
>> Second.

00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.559
>> Seconded by Mr. Cole.

00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.519
Any discussion about the motion?

00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:40.320
Hearing no discussion.

00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:40.840
>> I'm sorry.

00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:41.599
>> No, I'm sorry.

00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.079
Yep, the, I recognize Mr. House, pardon me.

00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.599
>> Thank you.

00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.519
I would just like to say that I'm in agreement with all of

00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:52.280
you, but

00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:56.690
only strictly because it is a hospital, and I would like to

00:38:56.690 --> 00:38:57.719
kind of note it that

00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.389
this shouldn't be a regular occurrence for each and every

00:39:00.389 --> 00:39:01.079
business.

00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.719
Well, the guy across the highway has the same size sign.

00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:09.139
It's a hospital, it's for the health and well-being of the

00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:10.400
citizens of our city.

00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.679
And I think that's why, and probably one of the main

00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.480
reasons why this variance should be allowed.

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.840
And not just because the guy across the street has the sign

00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.840
, not digging at Mr. Cole at all.

00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.460
I just wanted to make that point clear so that if it comes

00:39:25.460 --> 00:39:28.400
up at a later time with two regular commercial businesses,

00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:29.880
it's less of an issue.

00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.559
I thought that might be important to note.

00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.440
>> I think it's a great comment, and I fully agree with you

00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:35.679
.

00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.250
I think the exigent, the emergency nature of this is really

00:39:39.250 --> 00:39:41.440
the reason I'm voting in favor of it, so.

00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.760
Okay, any additional comments?

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All those in favor, say aye.

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:49.880
>> Aye. >> Aye.

00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:50.559
>> Any opposed?

00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.800
Hearing none opposed, the motion carries unanimously.

00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:57.460
Thank you again.

00:39:59.079 --> 00:39:59.579
All right.

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Okay, we're going to go to item number ZBA 17-003.

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Hold a public hearing and consider approval of a variance

00:40:15.139 --> 00:40:17.280
from chapter, hold on.

00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:18.360
I'm wrong.

00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:24.440
ZBA 17-004, hold a public hearing and

00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:31.159
consider approval of a variance from section 35.4.

00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.320
I mean 14.4.

00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.079
Spaces required of the debt and development code relating

00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.639
to the minimum number of required parking spaces for

00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:45.840
mixed density dwellings on approximately 0.91 acre.

00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.929
The variance requested is for a reduction in the number of

00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:50.559
required parking spaces.

00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.750
The subject property is generally located on the west side

00:40:53.750 --> 00:40:55.320
of the Industrial Street and

00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.389
South Bell Avenue intersection, approximately 100 feet

00:41:00.389 --> 00:41:02.159
north of East Prairie Street.

00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:08.239
This is again ZBA 17-0004, Industrial Street Apartments.

00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.519
And staff.

00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:13.360
Ms. White.

00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.219
>> Hi, I'm Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the City of

00:41:16.219 --> 00:41:16.840
Denton.

00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.989
And I'm presenting ZBA 17-004, Industrial Street Apartments

00:41:19.989 --> 00:41:20.679
to you today.

00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.829
As was stated, the request is to consider approval of a

00:41:25.829 --> 00:41:29.679
variance regarding the required parking spaces for

00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.449
a mixed density dwelling, otherwise known as multi-family

00:41:33.449 --> 00:41:36.920
development on approximately 0.91 acre.

00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.530
The request is actually to reduce the number of parking

00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:42.039
spaces, so we'll get into that in just a minute.

00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.929
Just to orient you, the subject property is located on the

00:41:45.929 --> 00:41:47.480
west side of Bell and

00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.000
Industrial, right here in the yellow.

00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.159
The property's undeveloped, but if you've driven past the

00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:53.719
site,

00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:55.820
you may have noticed that there are some clearing and

00:41:55.820 --> 00:41:57.960
grading activities that have begun on the site.

00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.369
It is also situated in the southeast part of the city's

00:42:02.369 --> 00:42:05.159
central business district and within a mixed use area.

00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.239
So just taking a look at what's around the site.

00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:12.289
It has some single family homes to the north and also to

00:42:12.289 --> 00:42:13.039
the west.

00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.679
There's a business to the south.

00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.760
There's some self storage here to the east.

00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.119
And generally just a mix of uses in the area.

00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.929
It has a DCG zoning designation, Downtown Commercial

00:42:27.929 --> 00:42:29.039
General.

00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.840
Multi-family is a permitted use within the zoning district.

00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.320
Something funny to this slide, but we'll go.

00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.199
Okay, so generally the background.

00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.610
So when a building is built within the city of Denton or a

00:42:46.610 --> 00:42:47.280
development comes in,

00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.780
they are required to provide parking in accordance with sub

00:42:51.780 --> 00:42:54.800
-chapter 14 of the Denton Development Code to ensure that

00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:58.199
all developments provide adequate and reasonable parking to

00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:59.920
serve that development.

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:03.599
So chapter 14 also states that where literal application of

00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.159
the parking requirements would not achieve the purpose and

00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.440
intent of the requirement,

00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.889
the applicant may seek a variance from the Board of Adjust

00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:11.320
ment.

00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.840
Okay, so anyway, now more specific to the request.

00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:26.599
So in sub-chapter 14, specifically section 35.14.14.A,

00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:30.440
the parking requirements for multi-family are as follows.

00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.019
For studio and efficiency apartments under 600 square feet,

00:43:35.019 --> 00:43:37.199
it's 1.25 spaces.

00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.920
For one bedroom apartments, it's 1.5 spaces.

00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:45.159
And for two bedroom apartments, it's 1.75 parking spaces.

00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.719
The applicant has sought approval of the site plan of the

00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.599
development from development services.

00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:56.010
The original proposal was a 36 unit multi-family

00:43:56.010 --> 00:43:59.000
development that included 16 studio apartments,

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.800
8 one bedroom apartments, and 12 two bedroom apartments.

00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.219
The parking that was calculated for this mix of dwelling

00:44:07.219 --> 00:44:09.800
units was 53 parking spaces.

00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.360
And let's look at the site plan associated with that.

00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.039
So, you bet.

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:19.920
Sure.

00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.239
All right, so here's the site plan.

00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.800
You can see Industrial Street here.

00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.320
Here's Bell Avenue.

00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.239
Access to the site is off of industrial.

00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.440
The parking sort of wraps the building.

00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.760
The building, proposed building is here in this location,

00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:32.880
and

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.400
then 53 spaces are proposed to be around it.

00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.000
So the applicant at this time would like to modify his

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.840
proposal and

00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.650
change that 36 unit development into 48 units, but all

00:44:50.650 --> 00:44:51.599
studios.

00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.960
So to remove the one bedroom and the two bedroom units and

00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.239
just have that studio, those studio units.

00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.320
This would require 60 parking spaces because when you

00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.119
multiply 1.25 times the 48, you have 60.

00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.809
Which is seven more than what was approved with that 36

00:45:09.809 --> 00:45:11.599
unit development.

00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.050
The applicant, however, would like to maintain that

00:45:14.050 --> 00:45:15.159
existing site plan.

00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.739
He's actually proposing to develop the site with the same

00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:20.840
building footprint and

00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.500
same orientation and parking layout, but just modify the

00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:26.360
interior of the building.

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.480
And he would like to maintain that 53 parking spaces in

00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.880
accordance with the original proposal.

00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.190
So as such, he's requesting a variance from sub-chapter 14,

00:45:38.190 --> 00:45:38.840
and that is for

00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:44.400
that minimum parking of 1.25 spaces per efficiency unit.

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.920
Which would reduce that parking by seven.

00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.389
So the variance is to reduce the parking by seven to

00:45:51.389 --> 00:45:53.719
maintain that 53 spaces.

00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:00.269
So the considerations that staff looked at when we analyzed

00:46:00.269 --> 00:46:03.659
this request was to look at the criteria for approval in

00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:04.840
sub-chapter three.

00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:10.650
In section 35.3.6.B.2 of the Denton Development Code

00:46:10.650 --> 00:46:12.960
outlines the criteria for approval.

00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.400
And we'll just talk about those briefly.

00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.619
The part in the italics is the criteria and then the bold

00:46:19.619 --> 00:46:21.119
is kind of some of our analysis.

00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.579
So first, special circumstances or conditions that apply to

00:46:24.579 --> 00:46:26.679
a parcel which are peculiar,

00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.849
unique to that parcel and do not generally apply to other

00:46:29.849 --> 00:46:32.840
parcels in the same district or neighborhood.

00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:36.750
And that would prevent the applicant from developing the

00:46:36.750 --> 00:46:39.800
site if there was a strict application of the code.

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.840
So staff looked at the area, looked at the nearby parcels.

00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.179
And due to the size and the shape and the topography of

00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:50.599
this existing site,

00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.980
it doesn't have any special circumstance or unique

00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:56.199
condition that would prevent it from being developed

00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.639
with that multi-family use or any use similar to other parc

00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.360
els in the same district.

00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.769
The parking requirements would not prevent that him from

00:47:05.769 --> 00:47:08.500
developing the site as he could develop it with a different

00:47:08.500 --> 00:47:09.679
mix of apartments.

00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.449
Within the same district and still be able to develop the

00:47:13.449 --> 00:47:14.079
site.

00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.110
Second, the granting of the variance will not be

00:47:20.110 --> 00:47:22.880
detrimental to the public welfare or

00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.000
injurious to other property improvements in the district or

00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.000
neighborhood.

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:32.960
Per the applicant's submittal, they are stating that most

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:33.480
units or

00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.420
all of the units would be occupied by a single tenant, but

00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:38.239
there's no guarantee for that.

00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.650
Some of those units could have dual occupancy, which would

00:47:42.650 --> 00:47:44.400
increase the number of parking or

00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.400
cars that would be needed to be parked on the site.

00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.079
As such, if there were fewer spaces, then they would

00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.039
typically probably park on the street,

00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.480
which could potentially impact adjacent properties.

00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.239
The granting of the variance is necessary for the

00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:02.480
reasonable use of the parcel, and

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.949
the variance granted is the minimum variance that would

00:48:04.949 --> 00:48:06.239
accomplish the purpose.

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.230
As I stated before, the parking requirements are preventing

00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:14.280
him from developing a multifamily use on the site.

00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.230
The number or types of units could be altered in order to

00:48:17.230 --> 00:48:19.800
develop the site with that multifamily use.

00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.650
So the parking requirements aren't preventing him from

00:48:22.650 --> 00:48:23.679
using this site.

00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.219
And finally, the literal enforcement and strict application

00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:30.880
of the provisions will result in

00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.679
an unnecessarily hardship inconsistent with the general

00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:35.679
provisions and intent of the ordinance.

00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.960
Because he could develop the site with a different mix of

00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.119
uses or bedroom types,

00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.449
the literal enforcement of those parking requirements

00:48:46.449 --> 00:48:47.480
wouldn't prevent him from

00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.880
develop the site with a multifamily development.

00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.159
So as such, it would not pose a hardship on the site.

00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:58.079
So here are some pictures of the property.

00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:04.000
This is on industrial looking toward Bell.

00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.829
This is the site right here, as you can see, they've got

00:49:06.829 --> 00:49:08.119
the silt fencing up.

00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:09.519
Here's the site as well.

00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.519
There's some silt fencing in the site.

00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:14.559
And then here's the street.

00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:15.960
So this is the street looking north.

00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.400
Public notification was sent out.

00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.170
We have received seven responses in opposition, and I did

00:49:24.170 --> 00:49:26.559
pass those out to you today.

00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.969
That does reach that over 20% threshold, which requires a

00:49:30.969 --> 00:49:31.920
super majority.

00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.440
However, because this board requires a super majority to

00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.360
approve anyway, it really doesn't change things necessarily

00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.000
in the voting.

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.440
Since six out of seven has to vote to approve.

00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.190
So based upon the criteria for approval and staff's

00:49:45.190 --> 00:49:47.719
analysis, we do recommend approval of the request.

00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.039
The applicant is here, and I'll stand for any questions.

00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:51.119
>> You mean denial.

00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.239
>> I'm sorry, did I say approval?

00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:53.360
Denial, yes.

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:54.559
Denial.

00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:56.159
>> Ms. White, can we go back to the site plan?

00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:02.000
I don't know what happened in my presentation.

00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.960
It's- >> You did just fine.

00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:06.360
>> There, okay.

00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.400
>> Where's the handicap parking?

00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:11.880
>> They are right here.

00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.000
>> And I'm assuming that's not included in the 53 spaces.

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.119
>> Our handicap parking spaces are actually included within

00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:19.360
our parking totals.

00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.320
So that is- >> And there's two or three?

00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:23.199
>> It appears to be two.

00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.840
>> So that means there's 51 available non-handicapped?

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:29.960
>> Yes, sir.

00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.079
>> And there's 48 residents potentially?

00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:34.239
>> Yes, sir.

00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:35.360
48 units.

00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.840
>> Yeah, units potential 48, 100% occupancy.

00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:39.679
>> Yes, sir.

00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.179
>> Okay.

00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.760
We are open for questions of Ms. Wyatt.

00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:47.840
>> I have just one question.

00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:49.679
>> Chair recognizes Mr. Sarath.

00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:51.239
>> I'm sorry, thank you.

00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.440
>> I've gotta do it, they tell me I have to.

00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.079
>> I'm sorry, no, no.

00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.199
>> Sorry.

00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:54.840
>> I need to be told.

00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.159
>> Each of those units has how many bedrooms?

00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:01.800
>> Just one.

00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:02.360
>> Just one bedroom?

00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:03.599
>> It's an efficiency, a studio.

00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:04.000
Yes, sir.

00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:04.500
>> Okay.

00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:14.019
>> So if the variance is granted and there's overflow

00:51:14.019 --> 00:51:14.920
parking,

00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.039
where would that overflow parking go?

00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:20.360
>> They are proposing 53 spaces.

00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:25.119
So they're proposing to park the development one space per

00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:29.480
unit plus five guest parking, I guess.

00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:33.889
If there was additional overflow beyond that, then it would

00:51:33.889 --> 00:51:34.679
park in the right of way.

00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.480
They would have to park in the right of way.

00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.639
>> You mean on the street?

00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:39.199
>> Yes, sir. >> Right.

00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.440
Chair recognizes Mr. Higgins.

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:51.800
>> Just curious, does the city have any growth plan or

00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:56.309
formal policy regarding degree of residential density in

00:51:56.309 --> 00:51:57.840
over in a particular area?

00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.710
>> This is in the DCG zoning district, which permits 150

00:52:02.710 --> 00:52:04.719
dwelling units per acre.

00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.400
And in the zoning district in this use,

00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.880
each bedroom is considered half a dwelling unit.

00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.199
>> Chair recognizes Mr. Surratt.

00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.840
>> I was gonna ask if- >> You didn't put your hand up again

00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:18.000
.

00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:21.000
>> I thought you were gonna call on me after Mr. Higgins.

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.280
>> Sorry. >> If each-

00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:23.400
>> I'll get you next.

00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.119
>> Continue that question for, if each has one bedroom,

00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:32.469
what are our residential requirements in Ditten per

00:52:32.469 --> 00:52:34.360
dwelling unit?

00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:38.119
>> For multifamily or for single?

00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:40.920
>> Well for this, would it be two occupants per unit if

00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.239
they each have one bedroom?

00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.239
Or what would be the requirement?

00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.320
>> I'm not sure I understand.

00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:50.800
>> Is there a limit to residents in these units?

00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.199
>> Well, our sub chapter 12 of the Ditten Development Code

00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.079
has a maximum of non-related

00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:58.679
persons per dwelling unit is four.

00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:03.400
I don't know if you put four in one of these, but that-

00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:05.400
>> So they could have four sleeping on the couch or

00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.320
something.

00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:07.960
That's what you're saying.

00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:09.199
I'm not saying they want to.

00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:13.320
I'm just wondering if that's the legal- >> I don't know of

00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.320
any other requirement besides

00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:16.920
that one that I just stated.

00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:18.800
Ron may know otherwise.

00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.760
>> No, Julie's correct.

00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:25.840
For each unit, rental unit or whatnot, it's four unrelated

00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:26.800
persons.

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.840
Now do they have four in one?

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.559
We don't know, but that's our maximum.

00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:32.639
>> That's all I want to know.

00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.599
Thank you.

00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.880
>> The chair recognizes Ms. Briggle.

00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:36.880
>> Thank you, Chair.

00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:37.880
>> And I apologize for not- >> It's all right.

00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:38.920
>> Did this. >> You know I don't yield.

00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.440
I'll get my voice heard eventually.

00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:41.840
>> Absolutely.

00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.210
>> So you know from my time on PNZ, I'm a big picture

00:53:45.210 --> 00:53:46.039
person.

00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:49.719
So my question for Ron and Julie is how,

00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.880
tell me about the Denton 2030 plan, right?

00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.760
I'm looking at walkability.

00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.639
I'm looking at a dense urban core.

00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:03.059
I'm looking at, these are the goals that we're trying to

00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:04.320
accomplish through our

00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.090
comprehensive plan, maybe rewriting the code hasn't caught

00:54:08.090 --> 00:54:09.199
up to that yet.

00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:14.039
So how does fewer parking spaces and

00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:18.440
more units in the dense downtown area,

00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.719
how does that further our goals for the 2030 plan?

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.679
>> Can we consider that?

00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.960
>> Sure, the way we look at the Dent plan 2030, and

00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.679
we've identified the core area to be more dense.

00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.480
And the downtown implementation or

00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.420
the downtown plan also addresses more residential

00:54:37.420 --> 00:54:40.079
development in the downtown area.

00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:45.889
Now, there are incentives that entice or create multifamily

00:54:45.889 --> 00:54:45.960
,

00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.960
but it's typically related to mixed use development.

00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.679
So if there's another use that's associated with this,

00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:59.239
that would be more of a preference than just multifamily.

00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:04.719
Now, we also have the code in place that we have to follow.

00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:09.320
And we certainly are looking at ways to increase more

00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:10.840
residential.

00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.840
But right now, that is what we have to work with.

00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:18.250
And I know our goal is to get more density, but we have to

00:55:18.250 --> 00:55:18.559
also be

00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.130
cognizant of providing enough parking that it does not

00:55:22.130 --> 00:55:24.800
impact adjacent properties as well.

00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.380
>> Sure, but so you're saying if this particular

00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:30.199
development were considered mixed use,

00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:35.199
like retail on the ground floor and then residential, but

00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:35.320
the whole area is pretty much mixed use.

00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.760
I mean, we've got, gosh, the A train across the street.

00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.760
We've got a tech startup across the street.

00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.809
We've got dining and shopping and residential all right in

00:55:45.809 --> 00:55:46.360
there.

00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.000
So the whole area is mixed use, though this development

00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.320
itself isn't mixed use.

00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:52.599
It's part of that bigger picture.

00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.760
>> No, you bring up a good point.

00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.320
The A train, there is an area within walking distance of

00:55:58.320 --> 00:55:59.320
the A train that

00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:04.239
again, all we have to work with is mixed use.

00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.210
But if in the future we decide to incorporate transit

00:56:07.210 --> 00:56:08.719
oriented development,

00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:12.219
that could also provide incentives to lessen the parking

00:56:12.219 --> 00:56:13.400
requirements.

00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:18.639
We did go through a parking code update to allow for

00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.800
within the central business district no parking

00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.320
requirements for ten units or less.

00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.840
So again, to generate more housing in the downtown.

00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.039
But of course, this is much more than ten units.

00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.920
And unfortunately, that's again, going back to the code,

00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.920
that's what we would require.

00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.000
>> But we are looking at the parking requirements as part

00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:41.480
of the debt and

00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:46.760
development code rewrite as part of the debt plan 2030, so.

00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:50.000
>> Okay, because I'm also thinking to like walkability and

00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:50.639
bikeability.

00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.239
These are, I mean, this is what kind of got me into this

00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:55.960
civic service, was volunteering with the bike plan.

00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:59.119
So I'm just kind of looking at the bigger picture.

00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.559
So thanks for kind of, thank you for eliminating that.

00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:05.840
>> Any additional questions for Ms. Wyatt?

00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.539
I do have one comment as I started to think about what you

00:57:10.539 --> 00:57:11.760
just said.

00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.559
And that is- >> Aren't you glad you gave me the mic?

00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:15.920
>> I would have given you the mic anyways.

00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:17.519
>> Sorry.

00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:25.159
>> But it's going from 48, which is all efficiency units.

00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:31.239
>> I'm sorry, from 48 with 8 one bedrooms,

00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:38.119
12 two bedrooms and 16 efficiencies, which is 48.

00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.519
>> No, it's 36 to 48.

00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:41.840
>> Did I miss, hold on.

00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.039
>> They are maintaining the same number of bedrooms.

00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.199
>> Yeah, same number of bedrooms though.

00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:47.920
>> Mm-hm.

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:49.159
>> Does that make sense?

00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.719
So 48 to 48, but the parking spaces are changed.

00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.429
>> Which I understand why, but I just wanted to clarify

00:57:55.429 --> 00:57:56.000
that the number of

00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.000
bedrooms is actually staying the same.

00:57:59.000 --> 00:57:59.840
Did I get that right?

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:00.519
>> Yes sir. >> Okay.

00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:03.119
Any additional questions?

00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:07.079
Thank you very much.

00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:08.800
>> Thank you, and the applicant is yours.

00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:09.679
>> Okay.

00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:11.679
All right, we'll go ahead and have the applicant come up.

00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:15.599
Not by me, you can't.

00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.119
>> No.

00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:20.260
>> Mostly because I probably couldn't figure out how to do

00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:21.280
it in time.

00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:32.719
>> [INAUDIBLE]

00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:36.960
>> Is that you?

00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:37.679
>> I hope so.

00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:42.320
>> It's the middle one.

00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.079
>> Is that you, presentation?

00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.400
>> Middle one, yeah, presentation.

00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:45.559
>> There you go.

00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:46.440
And with that?

00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:47.440
>> Yes. >> Awesome, all right.

00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.360
>> Okay, before you start, I need to go ahead and give you

00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:51.760
the oath.

00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.719
So could you please identify yourself for the record?

00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.079
>> Lee Allison.

00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.130
>> Mr. Allison, will you please raise your right hand to be

00:58:58.130 --> 00:58:58.599
sworn in?

00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:03.880
Under penalty of perjury, do you swear or affirm that any

00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:04.599
testimony or

00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.880
information you provide or any statement you make before

00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:09.639
this board is complete,

00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.059
true, and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability

00:59:14.059 --> 00:59:14.360
?

00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:15.360
>> Yes, I do.

00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:16.760
>> Thank you very much, you may proceed.

00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.000
>> Last time I did that, I was in a lot of trouble.

00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.760
But my name's Lee Allison with Allison Engineering Group.

00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.409
With me this evening are Flamora Meddy, the owner developer

00:59:26.409 --> 00:59:27.400
, and

00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.360
Lance Holdorf, our project manager.

00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.920
Let me see if I can figure out how to, there we go.

00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.139
As it's already been mentioned, we have an approved site

00:59:35.139 --> 00:59:35.480
plan.

00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.809
You can see the red lettering approval in the bottom right

00:59:37.809 --> 00:59:38.519
hand corner.

00:59:40.340 --> 00:59:42.360
This is a great site for this location.

00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.039
This project's under construction.

00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:45.280
The apartments are going there.

00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:48.690
We don't deny in any way that this hardship prevents

00:59:48.690 --> 00:59:49.679
apartments or

00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:51.039
multifamily from going there.

00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.760
It's happening right now.

00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:57.880
This particular site, I'll get into more details later.

00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:01.039
But each bedroom has its own bathroom with it.

01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:05.480
It is intended for individual occupancy, similar to most.

01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:10.880
But it's geared more towards the single professional.

01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.159
Not geared towards students, so some may be there, and

01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.639
it's not really geared towards family.

01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:17.920
Additionally, though not well shown on here, we do have

01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.840
spaces for bike racks.

01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.170
And we've discussed the possibility in the future, if

01:00:22.170 --> 01:00:23.360
biking becomes more and

01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.079
more popular, we could take a parking space and convert it

01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.039
to additional bike racks.

01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.480
Some information on the site, that is an approved building

01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:31.920
permit.

01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:33.559
It's under construction.

01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:38.639
It has 36 apartments consisting of 48 bedrooms and 53

01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:40.039
parking spaces.

01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.199
And that does meet the DDC requirements.

01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:47.579
The DDC parking criteria is based on occupancy of

01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:49.000
apartments, primarily for families.

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:53.409
It's an old historical basis for determining parking space

01:00:53.409 --> 01:00:54.000
requirements.

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.400
The proposed occupancy is expected to be primarily young

01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.679
professionals, students,

01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:01.159
etc., singles.

01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:02.639
And the city, as Julie mentioned earlier,

01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:05.000
is working on updates to the parking criteria.

01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.159
So we're not sure that what's in the books now is

01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:10.320
necessarily appropriate.

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.940
I can envision different places for family-oriented

01:01:12.940 --> 01:01:13.840
apartments, for

01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.280
student-oriented apartments, and for young professionals,

01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:21.159
downtown walking, biking-type oriented districts.

01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:23.960
On other projects, we found studies that show that students

01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.000
within walking distance

01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.400
of a campus only require 70% of the parking.

01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:32.039
If they're within mass transit, 80 to 85%,

01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:36.449
this site is in the proximity to and nature of downtown

01:01:36.449 --> 01:01:37.039
area.

01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.969
People are not gonna necessarily throw parties in their

01:01:39.969 --> 01:01:41.800
houses or in their apartments.

01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.719
We're not providing party space or recreational space.

01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.679
Those are in outdoor, the 8% required, but more for

01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:48.519
relaxation,

01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.599
having coffee, playing horseshoes.

01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:55.280
We expect the students will walk to the A train, take it to

01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:55.880
Dallas or

01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:57.280
Fort Worth or wherever they need to go.

01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.650
They'll go to the square, they'll go to the coffee shops

01:02:00.650 --> 01:02:00.960
and

01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.179
the jazz places and different venues that are in that

01:02:04.179 --> 01:02:05.440
immediate area.

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.199
They're not really gonna gather in their place.

01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:10.880
They'll socialize outside of the place.

01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:14.000
Right now, the number of units existing or

01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.519
what's under construction is 36 units with a mixture of

01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:18.360
bedrooms.

01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:21.760
We're proposing 48 units, all studio.

01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.719
The current number of bedrooms is 48.

01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.599
The proposed number of bedrooms will be 48.

01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.980
The number of parking spaces required is 53 and we're

01:02:29.980 --> 01:02:31.840
proposing 53.

01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.920
The same number of bedrooms for the same occupancy,

01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:37.559
but within the understanding some of the conundrums on the

01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:38.760
site are existing as

01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:40.360
we're building it today.

01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.170
If you're concerned about how many people can be in a one

01:02:43.170 --> 01:02:43.679
bedroom,

01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.639
well those same people could be in the one bedrooms on the

01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:47.719
36 unit site or

01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:51.400
even in the two bedrooms on the 36 unit site.

01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.519
Again, this is a four story building.

01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.480
By going to the younger professional types, we think the

01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:58.960
one bedrooms are better.

01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:03.369
The DDC parking required is for the place we have right now

01:03:03.369 --> 01:03:04.920
, 53 spaces.

01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.940
Under the current code, whether you use the one and a

01:03:06.940 --> 01:03:07.480
quarter or

01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.679
one and a half number per unit range, it could be anywhere

01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:11.760
from 60 to as many as

01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.719
72 required depending on the size.

01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:17.599
The occupancy, we're marketing to single professionals and

01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:18.159
students and

01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:20.119
that'll be the same regardless.

01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.570
And the site plan building footprint, it's already

01:03:22.570 --> 01:03:23.079
permitted,

01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.039
it's under construction.

01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:29.880
In fact, the owner will incur additional cost for this to

01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:30.639
make the change,

01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.210
because he's got to get into some structural and floor plan

01:03:33.210 --> 01:03:33.800
changes.

01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.230
But his rough plumbing will come up where it is now on the

01:03:36.230 --> 01:03:37.000
bottom units and

01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.599
it'll go straight up into the upper units.

01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.719
So he's not really, it's something he can do in midstream,

01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:44.719
but at the same time,

01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.679
it's still additional expense to him to get it done.

01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.340
He's not coming here to save, he's coming here to provide a

01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:51.039
product that he

01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.800
thinks better fits into that neighborhood.

01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:55.760
>> You've seen the Dinton Dell Development Code

01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:57.039
requirements that Julie presented

01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:58.559
earlier.

01:03:58.559 --> 01:03:59.639
I say questions.

01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.360
Actually, I think I've answered all the things I wanted to

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:06.599
respond to up front,

01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:07.440
that Julie mentioned.

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.400
Is there anything I can address at this moment?

01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.639
>> Are there any questions for Mr. Allison?

01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:14.360
>> Can I make a point of clarity?

01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.599
>> Yes. >> Lee, can you go back to that chart real quick,

01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.079
just to clarify with the board?

01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:20.000
>> I can lose the whole thing.

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:20.500
>> Uh-oh.

01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:24.639
>> This chart?

01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:26.320
>> Yeah, that chart right there.

01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.960
You said the very last column, site plan slash building

01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:30.880
footprint,

01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.920
the 48 all studio is not currently permitted, right?

01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:35.639
It's just the first column.

01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:40.960
>> Yes, yeah, to help clarify, the building is permitted

01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.159
under construction.

01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.760
Now, it has not been permitted with all studios.

01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:48.960
It has been permitted with the mix in the-

01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:50.719
>> Okay, just to clarify that.

01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.760
>> Yeah. >> We don't have a permitted

01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.480
permit for- >> Well, and I was trying to,

01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.679
didn't accentuate it very well, but that's the reason I put

01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.239
site plan building footprint.

01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.599
I didn't put the floor plans are permitted to help.

01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:06.519
>> Site plan includes- >> Acknowledge your-

01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:07.280
>> Okay. >> Yeah.

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:09.239
>> So, hold on a minute, let me make sure I'm clarifying

01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:10.239
your clarification.

01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:10.739
>> Okay.

01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:19.690
>> The first column, we have a site plan for, right, and

01:05:19.690 --> 01:05:20.800
that's all permitted.

01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:21.519
>> Yes.

01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.719
>> As well as the building footprints and floor plans.

01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:30.000
>> For the 16 studio, the 8 one bedrooms, and the 12?

01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:30.960
>> Yes. >> Okay.

01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:31.920
>> That's under construction.

01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.559
>> What you want to do is you really want to change your

01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:36.119
plan to-

01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.800
>> Not the site plan.

01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.119
>> But the construction plan.

01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:42.239
>> Yeah, the room configuration.

01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:42.739
>> Okay.

01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:45.960
Thank you.

01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:47.559
>> It's even hard for me to keep up with, and

01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.360
I've been working on the project for a while, so.

01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:51.639
>> Yes, anything else?

01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:55.679
All right, thank you.

01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:56.179
>> You're welcome.

01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.239
Anyone speaking for the applicant?

01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:03.840
Any additional folks for the applicant?

01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.360
Okay, no additional speakers for the applicant.

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:16.840
We do have, I think it was stated seven, I'm sorry, back up

01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:17.079
.

01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:21.360
There is a speaker that is requested in opposition,

01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:26.920
Miss Jennifer Lane of 1526 Willowwood Street.

01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:28.880
Miss Lane, would you like to speak?

01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:33.519
Okay, now Miss Lane, you were previously sworn in, and

01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:35.039
you understand you're still under oath.

01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:39.639
>> Sure, yes, and whereas in the previous application,

01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:44.059
my opposition was not based on disagreeing with the

01:06:44.059 --> 01:06:45.400
principle of wanting the sign to

01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:50.159
be visible, it was based on confusion of signs,

01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.039
perhaps, in that site just from what I looked at.

01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.869
This is really much more of a strong opposition to the idea

01:06:56.869 --> 01:06:57.159
.

01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:00.849
Again, I took a look at the site personally, and there are

01:07:00.849 --> 01:07:03.079
homes around there, very, very close.

01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.719
It's a congested area with private homes all around.

01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:13.170
Also, under the current plan, one person driving may come

01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:14.400
to visit two or

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:19.079
more people in a couple situation, whereas you may have

01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:20.400
many more

01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:25.949
visiting automobiles around, visiting the single occupancy

01:07:25.949 --> 01:07:26.719
idea.

01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:28.840
People don't know each other in the 48 bedroom plan,

01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:30.719
whereas they may be in relationships

01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:34.429
in this 36 bedroom plan, the two bedroom units and so forth

01:07:34.429 --> 01:07:34.679
.

01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.320
Also, some couples may have one car.

01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:43.170
The parking may accommodate them much more easily than many

01:07:43.170 --> 01:07:44.760
, many individuals.

01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:51.900
And finally, the issue around parking with the new plan is

01:07:51.900 --> 01:07:53.079
simply congestion.

01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.360
Strikes me as a heavy congestion of parking.

01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.969
Visitors not really entirely accommodated having to spill

01:07:59.969 --> 01:08:01.800
out onto the street.

01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.210
Young people either currently or just out of school,

01:08:06.210 --> 01:08:07.559
possibly doubling up,

01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:15.079
or having frequent visitors more than might be on the lease

01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:15.079
.

01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.659
And that this would spill over into the neighborhood and

01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:20.479
even into the,

01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:23.909
to making it an unsafe situation even for the congested

01:08:23.909 --> 01:08:24.840
urban idea.

01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:25.960
That's it.

01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:27.199
>> Okay.

01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:28.720
>> Thanks. >> Any questions of Ms. Lane?

01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:31.720
Thank you.

01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:32.520
Thank you again, Ms. Lane.

01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:39.840
>> Okay, in addition to Ms. Lane, we have two, three, four

01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:45.859
individuals that are speaking by, they sent in an

01:08:45.859 --> 01:08:47.039
opposition notice.

01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:50.199
I'm sorry, looks like three.

01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:54.039
Although I believe staff commented that there were seven.

01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.229
>> One of them had owned several properties within that

01:09:00.229 --> 01:09:01.760
boundary.

01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.210
What I'd like to do is go ahead and circulate these to the

01:09:05.210 --> 01:09:07.119
commissioners for their review.

01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:07.960
Let me go ahead for the record.

01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:09.560
>> I've provided one to everyone.

01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:15.130
>> For the record, let me go ahead and state who the

01:09:15.130 --> 01:09:17.000
opposing party was.

01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.960
Arthur V King at 315 South Locust Street.

01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:32.760
And looks like Mr. King has about a two page opposition.

01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:35.079
I'd ask the commissioners to review that.

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:41.909
Then we have an email from Mr. Leary Culvert with the Bell

01:09:41.909 --> 01:09:43.720
Avenue Self Storage

01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:50.920
at PO Box 687 Denton, Texas 76202.

01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.699
And he supplied an email again, if he would review that in

01:09:54.699 --> 01:09:56.039
consideration.

01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:03.569
The third one is Sandra Marsh at 5513 Woodland Hills Drive,

01:10:03.569 --> 01:10:07.399
Denton, Texas 76208.

01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:11.020
And Ms. Marsh says there is plenty of parking issues

01:10:11.020 --> 01:10:13.560
already without creating any more.

01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:16.399
I read hers only because it was short.

01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:22.189
I would ask, and we're going to go ahead and incorporate

01:10:22.189 --> 01:10:25.390
those into the record for consideration by the commission

01:10:25.390 --> 01:10:25.720
ers.

01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:30.630
At this point, if there is any other folks speaking in

01:10:30.630 --> 01:10:34.399
favor or in opposition of the variant request.

01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:42.560
Okay, hearing no folks speaking in favor or in opposition,

01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.800
I'm going to open the floor to the commissioners to discuss

01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:47.199
the particular item.

01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:51.560
I'm sorry, I need to go ahead and close the public meeting.

01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:56.439
Okay, at this point, the floor recognizes Mr. House.

01:10:58.159 --> 01:10:58.680
>> Thank you.

01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.819
I used to live in that area, and I think we can all agree

01:11:03.819 --> 01:11:07.840
that parking is at a premium downtown.

01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.319
Even a stone's throw from the square.

01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:15.899
And I would say that the original plans for the apartment

01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:16.960
building,

01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.829
listing two bedroom and one bedroom apartments, even though

01:11:19.829 --> 01:11:22.689
they're advertising to a certain group that isn't changing,

01:11:22.689 --> 01:11:24.439
is still going to draw families.

01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.329
And I lived there, I met a family of four that were living

01:11:27.329 --> 01:11:30.359
in a two bedroom apartment because they preferred it.

01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.300
And they did only have one car because the husband traveled

01:11:33.300 --> 01:11:34.439
by train to Dallas.

01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:40.060
But for me, after ten years in law enforcement and having

01:11:40.060 --> 01:11:41.319
lived downtown as well,

01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:46.279
to think that a 48 occupancy, even if they are only one

01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:48.159
young adult at a time,

01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.069
won't have people come over to entertain, to stay the

01:11:51.069 --> 01:11:53.199
weekend, stay the night, stay a week.

01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:59.699
Is and say that five spare parking spots is enough, I just

01:11:59.699 --> 01:12:00.319
don't see it.

01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:05.819
I think that an increase of units requires an increase in

01:12:05.819 --> 01:12:07.159
parking as well.

01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:10.449
Because there are going to be couples moving into some of

01:12:10.449 --> 01:12:11.760
these apartments.

01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.560
They are going to have guests over.

01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.890
And being at that intersection, they're not going to be

01:12:16.890 --> 01:12:18.319
able to park on bill.

01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:19.600
Because it's a main thoroughfare.

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.930
They're not, police department, I cannot see them allowing

01:12:21.930 --> 01:12:23.000
anybody to park on bill.

01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:25.159
That just leaves industrial in the neighborhood around.

01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.189
Which is going to be, I think, an increased burden upon the

01:12:28.189 --> 01:12:31.800
residents that own homes or rent homes in that neighborhood

01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:31.800
.

01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.329
Who now have to deal with young people parking from their

01:12:35.329 --> 01:12:39.250
homes and cutting across their yards and so on and so forth

01:12:39.250 --> 01:12:39.560
.

01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.210
Okay, so in my opinion, I think that I would have to agree

01:12:43.210 --> 01:12:46.039
with staff on this one and deny the variance.

01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:48.399
If they want to increase the number of units, I think they

01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:50.840
need to find a way to increase the amount of parking.

01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:52.890
Or to stick with their original floor plan for the

01:12:52.890 --> 01:12:53.960
apartment building.

01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:55.199
Thank you.

01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.119
>> Chair recognizes Ms. Bruegel.

01:12:58.119 --> 01:12:59.079
>> Thank you, Chair.

01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:00.439
Mr. House, I disagree with you.

01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:06.180
I see the number of bedrooms is essentially staying the

01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:07.039
same.

01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.460
And I think that generally speaking, someone who's going to

01:13:11.460 --> 01:13:12.840
move into an efficiency or

01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:16.390
studio downtown, though it may be a couple, is more likely

01:13:16.390 --> 01:13:18.760
than not going to be a single person.

01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:23.170
That said, my husband and I have been married for 16 years

01:13:23.170 --> 01:13:26.439
and just last year we finally got a second car.

01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:28.949
And we only did that because we have kids who have things

01:13:28.949 --> 01:13:30.279
on opposite ends of town.

01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:35.350
So when I use my imagination and think about who's going to

01:13:35.350 --> 01:13:36.399
be moving into these apartments,

01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:41.800
I'm thinking young professionals, singles, students who,

01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:44.359
the younger generation, a lot of them don't have cars, aren

01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:45.840
't interested in getting a car.

01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:50.260
We're working on, we've got the bikes for rent downtown now

01:13:50.260 --> 01:13:50.600
.

01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:52.760
We've got the A train across the street.

01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:54.159
It's walkable.

01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:56.550
And again, I'm seeing this more as a big picture sort of

01:13:56.550 --> 01:13:57.039
thing.

01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:02.079
We're getting more units in a dense part of town and

01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:06.489
also encouraging people to use alternative modes of

01:14:06.489 --> 01:14:07.479
transportation.

01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:10.989
So for that reason, I'm in favor of this, especially

01:14:10.989 --> 01:14:13.239
because the number of units is increasing,

01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:16.079
the number of bedrooms is staying the same, so therefore

01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.649
the number of occupants is probably going to be also the

01:14:18.649 --> 01:14:19.159
same.

01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:22.250
And I would think probably less of a chance of there being

01:14:22.250 --> 01:14:24.579
more cars because there's probably more singles moving into

01:14:24.579 --> 01:14:25.319
this than

01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.170
if you had a two bedroom, you might have a couple in one

01:14:28.170 --> 01:14:30.000
and then a roommate over here.

01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:32.359
And so I'm actually in favor of this.

01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:38.199
>> Chair recognizes Mr. Sarratt.

01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:43.600
>> I agree with Mr. House.

01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:45.359
I live near downtown.

01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:50.000
I chose my house because it is walkable, but I have a car.

01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:52.409
And I've had friends who had apartments, maybe where you

01:14:52.409 --> 01:14:56.199
had an apartment or where you lived near downtown.

01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:58.479
And it was a couple and they both had cars.

01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:02.159
And whenever I would visit their place, their apartment,

01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:04.560
there was no parking place department, so I had to park on

01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:05.199
the street.

01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:10.079
I just feel that since this is a neighborhood, we need to

01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:11.960
be considered the neighbors.

01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:16.279
And I wish there were, and I do not want cars.

01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:18.640
I would love to be without a car.

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:22.029
But I don't want to be disingenuous about it either, that

01:15:22.029 --> 01:15:25.069
there will be cars and that we will be impacting the

01:15:25.069 --> 01:15:25.880
neighbors.

01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.880
>> Okay.

01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:30.439
>> Chair recognizes Mr. Higgins.

01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:40.010
>> In reading through the application and listening to Lee

01:15:40.010 --> 01:15:41.720
Allison,

01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:47.119
my overall reaction was that the argument in favor of

01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:53.229
keeping the number of parking spaces at 53 were facile at

01:15:53.229 --> 01:15:53.800
best.

01:15:55.119 --> 01:16:00.069
The applicant wants to increase in the same footprint occup

01:16:00.069 --> 01:16:03.800
ancy of 36 units up to 48 units.

01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:09.920
That's going to be more people, although they say it may

01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:11.039
not be.

01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:12.119
I think that it will be.

01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:17.920
In my opinion, speaking maybe more plainly than I should,

01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:24.220
the owner wants to get as much value out of that piece of

01:16:24.220 --> 01:16:27.199
property as possible.

01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:32.090
And this is the case of Rackham and Stackham, generate

01:16:32.090 --> 01:16:35.199
traffic, generate more parking problems.

01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:40.760
And I'm all in favor of somebody building a useful building

01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:42.720
that's advantageous to the community.

01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.359
But I think this is too far to one side.

01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.090
I think there is really no consideration given to traffic

01:16:49.090 --> 01:16:49.399
and

01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:52.520
quality of life in our community, especially close to

01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:53.359
downtown.

01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:54.039
So I oppose it.

01:16:57.920 --> 01:16:59.439
>> Any additional comments?

01:16:59.439 --> 01:16:59.960
Mr. Baker.

01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:02.159
>> I got one.

01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.600
I know one of the business owners in the area, so

01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:10.119
I don't know if that would affect me on this board or not.

01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:16.239
But I do have my opinions of what my opinion is.

01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:21.029
But I just want to let, I don't want to get in trouble, don

01:17:21.029 --> 01:17:23.039
't want anybody to get in trouble.

01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:27.880
But I do know one of the owners, so, or pretty close.

01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:29.979
>> That shouldn't prevent you from voting on it or giving

01:17:29.979 --> 01:17:30.640
your opinion.

01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:33.000
>> Okay.

01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.319
>> Now you don't have a financial reason for-

01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:37.039
>> No.

01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:38.239
>> Okay, you're probably okay.

01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:45.920
>> Well, I guess probably, I'll probably tell my age.

01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.760
But anyway, I grew up here.

01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:56.640
Those streets and all over in there were kind of narrow and

01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:58.960
all that when I was growing up here.

01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:04.770
So the parking would be kindly bad, but if you could, on

01:18:04.770 --> 01:18:06.319
that street.

01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:11.640
But I have seen, when they have festivals and stuff in that

01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:12.079
area,

01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.460
I've seen cars plumb over to Belle Avenue and everywhere

01:18:15.460 --> 01:18:16.039
else.

01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:25.000
So I don't know about what I'm trying to say.

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.640
But the parking would be a little rough, it really would.

01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:34.970
But like you're talking about, with their bicycles and all

01:18:34.970 --> 01:18:35.399
this, and

01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:38.000
I'm glad to see them doing that too.

01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:41.359
And it is closed if people wanted to walk.

01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:44.880
I mean, you got all these restaurants and like they say,

01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:44.960
but

01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:49.319
the parking is really the problem in this town, really.

01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:56.350
Downtown, if it had more parking, it would be great for

01:18:56.350 --> 01:18:56.960
downtown.

01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.479
And I'd love to see the downtown come back,

01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:04.100
because when I grew up here, like I say, this square was

01:19:04.100 --> 01:19:05.079
downtown.

01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:06.000
Thank you.

01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:07.239
>> Any additional comments?

01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:10.640
Well, I guess I'm going to weigh in myself.

01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.739
In some respects, I agree with Ms. Brighill, but to be

01:19:15.739 --> 01:19:17.039
honest with you,

01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:19.930
I don't think they've met the requirement for a variance by

01:19:19.930 --> 01:19:20.640
any means.

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:26.239
And the reason I say that is they still have a site plan

01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:27.840
that's been approved

01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.800
that they can build on, there's no uniqueness of the

01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:31.640
property.

01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.350
There's nothing really unique about it, it's really just

01:19:34.350 --> 01:19:35.800
more of a personal,

01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.479
I'd rather have this versus that.

01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:42.159
So because of that, I have to, if there is a motion,

01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:47.359
I've got a vote not in favor with agreement with Mr. House.

01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.479
So saying all that, does anyone want to make a motion?

01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:56.880
There's a motion by Mr. House.

01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:58.079
Is there a second to the motion?

01:19:58.079 --> 01:19:59.800
>> Second to the motion.

01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:01.640
>> I'm sorry, you need to say what the motion is.

01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:03.319
>> I'm sorry.

01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:05.680
>> Wait, I was getting there, I promise you.

01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:08.340
When you have a meeting once every six months, you got that

01:20:08.340 --> 01:20:08.520
.

01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:10.680
>> Yes.

01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:12.279
>> Mr. House, would you like to make a motion?

01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:13.640
>> I would, thank you.

01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:16.319
I would like to make a motion to deny the variance.

01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.760
>> Okay, do we have a second?

01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:19.640
>> Second that motion.

01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:23.279
>> Mr. Schrotz seconds it.

01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:25.520
Any additional discussion on the motion?

01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:31.390
Hearing no discussion, all in favor of denying the variance

01:20:31.390 --> 01:20:31.800
?

01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:35.119
Let's have a hand raise, I guess.

01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.640
Okay, there's all in favor except for Ms. Briegel.

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Any against?

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Ms. Briegel, thank you very much.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay.

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So agenda item C3 has been withdrawn.

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And that was ZBA 17-002, which was the solar panel

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structure.

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Okay, future agenda items.

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At this point in time, if any of the commissioners want

01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:14.920
to hear anything specific from city staff or bring

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to the commission anything that may not be brought by other

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means,

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this is the time to be able to go ahead and voice your

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thoughts.

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And since we only have met once in the last six months,

01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:29.510
if you want to give it some thought, you probably have

01:21:29.510 --> 01:21:32.079
several months to give it some thought.

01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:37.800
And you can let Ron know if there are some additional items

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.

01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:41.159
>> Floor recognizes Mr. Strout.

01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.960
>> I was only going to ask if you do have any upcoming

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items that might call for us meeting.

01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:49.810
>> We do, and I just wanted to mention the item that was

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withdrawn will be coming forward next month.

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There was a notice issue that we need to address, and

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therefore we will have a meeting in October.

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We also put on the agenda the selection of a chair and vice

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chair.

01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:08.560
So there will be that as well.

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But I am welcoming any other items that you think you need

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or want to see on next month's agenda.

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>> Okay.

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>> And you can email me that if you don't have it at this

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time.

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>> Any additional items for consideration for today's

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meeting?

01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:27.199
Okay, is there a motion to adjourn?

01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:30.039
>> I make a motion.

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>> We adjourn.

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>> Motion made by Mr. Baker.

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Is there a second?

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>> Second. >> By Mr. Cole.

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All in favor?

01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:40.600
All right, unanimous, I think.

01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:42.399
Mr. Higgins?

01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:45.039
Thank you all again.

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We appreciate the opportunity to serve the community.