WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.230 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Traffic 00:00:06.230 --> 00:00:09.199 Safety Commission meeting of Monday, 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.039 May 7th, 2018. 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:17.679 We have a quorum, so we're getting started at 5.32 p.m. 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:21.519 The first item on our agenda is number one, items for 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:23.039 consideration. 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:30.519 Item 1A, TSC 18-020 is to consider the approval of the 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.159 Traffic Safety Commission meeting minutes 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.159 of April 2nd, 2018. 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:39.520 Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.520 Are there any corrections? 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:48.520 >> Make a motion that we accept as read. 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:49.520 >> We have a motion. 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:50.520 >> I'll second. 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:51.520 >> And we have a second. 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:56.320 >> Is everyone in agreement? 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:59.960 The minutes have been approved as written. 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:06.680 Item 1B is TSC 18-021. 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:09.500 Receive a report, hold discussion, and make a 00:01:09.500 --> 00:01:12.040 recommendation to City Council for approval 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.510 of prohibiting parking on the southwest side of Hanover 00:01:16.510 --> 00:01:19.239 Drive adjacent to the school from 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.599 Windsor Drive to Croydon Street during school hours. 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:24.599 Preetam? 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.159 >> Good evening, everyone. 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.680 My name is Preetam Deshmukh, traffic engineer for the city. 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:36.909 And this item is brought forward based on not a complaint 00:01:36.909 --> 00:01:39.840 but a concern from DISD. 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.900 And I was contacted by their safety manager who typically 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:44.760 contacts me when there are issues 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.840 at schools. 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:51.959 And we had a meeting with the principal and we actually sat 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.599 through one cycle to observe 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.040 what was happening at that particular place. 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.239 So this is -- I'll just pull up a map and briefly talk 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.900 through what was happening. 00:02:03.900 --> 00:02:08.219 This is a portion of Hanover Drive that we're really 00:02:08.219 --> 00:02:10.039 concerned about. 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.939 So this portion of Hanover Drive that curves around and 00:02:12.939 --> 00:02:14.560 then all the way to the edge of 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:15.879 the campus. 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:18.000 This is where the campus ends. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.110 Currently the way the operation of the campus is, when the 00:02:21.110 --> 00:02:22.759 school was built, it was built 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.800 as a neighborhood school where kids would walk to school 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:27.319 not expecting anyone would 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:28.319 drive. 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.849 And therefore it was not designed as a drop-off area or a 00:02:31.849 --> 00:02:34.240 lot of cars pulling in and circulating 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:39.169 around the campus as most of the newer campuses like Pecan 00:02:39.169 --> 00:02:41.879 Creek Elementary and Razor -- I'm 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:45.259 sorry, L.A. Nelson and all those have. 00:02:45.259 --> 00:02:48.759 So this does not have a drive-through element. 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:52.439 The ISD is considering a portion of this to be converted 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.960 into a drive-through or a connection 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.560 back here as part of their bond package. 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.849 They've not really looked at it, but that's their long-term 00:03:00.849 --> 00:03:02.360 solution to get people off 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.639 here and then circulate them back that way. 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:09.969 But all that will come to our review eventually, not at 00:03:09.969 --> 00:03:11.080 this point. 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.620 They wanted to come up with an immediate solution at least 00:03:14.620 --> 00:03:16.639 for the next few years and give you 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.680 a brief history what has happened. 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:20.960 This problem didn't start today. 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.000 It started a long time ago. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.229 And as a result, what they did is they posted no stopping 00:03:27.229 --> 00:03:29.840 anytime signs along this portion 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.770 so that cars could -- if you go to the street view, you can 00:03:32.770 --> 00:03:34.199 see the signs -- so that no 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.400 one would stop or stand during the school hours. 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.039 And only if it can read. 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.909 So what's happening on this side is cars are not allowed to 00:03:44.909 --> 00:03:47.439 stop during the school hours. 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:48.719 So that's a good thing. 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:54.039 The entire width of the street is 32 feet. 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.840 And then the other thing that was done is you see this 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:58.159 curve from this driveway. 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.280 Let me get back your bearing. 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.039 So from this driveway all the way to the edge of the school 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:05.960 , this is also a no stopping 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.199 area during the school hours. 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.080 It's -- I'm sorry. 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:11.080 No parking area. 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:15.400 It's a stopping area for cars to line up here. 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:18.930 This segment, however, was left out of the whole discussion 00:04:18.930 --> 00:04:19.079 . 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.430 And what's happening here is people park and go pick up 00:04:23.430 --> 00:04:24.639 their kids. 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.610 When they're parked, people that are waiting to pick up 00:04:27.610 --> 00:04:29.439 their kids here, there's a gate 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:30.939 here right here. 00:04:30.939 --> 00:04:33.439 And this is where some of the classes are let off. 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.769 So cars are lined up all the way along the curb while these 00:04:37.769 --> 00:04:40.000 cars get in and out of here, 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.519 they line up here, but they back up here. 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.579 So if someone's parked in this particular area, then there 00:04:46.579 --> 00:04:48.639 's double stopping and there's 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.120 no two-way traffic chance on this side. 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.959 So you cannot fit in four cars next to each other. 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.040 Only three can fit in comfortably. 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.860 So that's why if someone's parked and then someone's 00:04:59.860 --> 00:05:01.279 waiting in this queue to pick up 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:05.199 their kid, you can't really pass or cars coming down Winds 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:06.920 or cannot really pass. 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:11.850 So there's a big chaos and I think what happened last few 00:05:11.850 --> 00:05:14.759 weeks, cops were called in and a 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:18.160 lot of tickets were given or warnings were given. 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:22.089 And that's where ISD felt and the school principal felt 00:05:22.089 --> 00:05:25.360 that we needed to do something, especially 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:26.800 during school hours. 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.600 They're really short span hours, especially in the 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:29.879 afternoon. 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:33.819 It's not the whole day that it's required for. 00:05:33.819 --> 00:05:37.589 So if we can restrict parking in this particular segment, 00:05:37.589 --> 00:05:39.860 then that would really alleviate 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:42.560 some of the major concerns that are happening today. 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.100 A lot of people are parked on Croydon Street up and down 00:05:46.100 --> 00:05:47.959 just to be able to get in line 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.399 to pick up their kids here too. 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:53.000 So it's not that parking is not available. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.649 So parking is available along this segment and then on this 00:05:56.649 --> 00:05:58.120 side of Hanover too. 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.540 There's a lot of parking where parents can park. 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:03.240 There's parking on this side where parents can park and go 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:04.120 pick up their kids. 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.360 So it's not that there is no available parking in the area. 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.959 It's just that this becomes an operation hazard if there 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.519 are cars getting in and out here 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:15.319 as well people lined up here. 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.819 So this particular segment gets congested. 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:23.060 So that's why this item is in front of the commission today 00:06:23.060 --> 00:06:25.959 is if we, the staff recommends 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.069 restricting this parking, especially during school hours, 00:06:29.069 --> 00:06:31.199 that way cars can line up appropriately. 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.800 The operations can be safer for kids. 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.259 There's a crosswalk here and there was a lot of confusion 00:06:36.259 --> 00:06:37.399 here also because of the parked 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:38.399 cars. 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.600 So that would go away and it would make much safer space. 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:43.800 Rest of the day it's fine. 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:44.800 You can park it anytime. 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.879 You can move through that area. 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:47.879 It's no issue. 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:49.680 But during school hours. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.209 And I think they need to, they want to move forward as soon 00:06:53.209 --> 00:06:54.120 as possible. 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.069 Now that the school will be over in a month or so, starting 00:06:57.069 --> 00:06:58.519 next school year they want 00:06:58.519 --> 00:06:59.519 to dis-implement it. 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.160 And that's why we brought this item forward. 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.800 Any questions? 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.920 So that straighter stretch of Hanover allows for pausing. 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.680 So you can stop, remain in your car, but it's the dog leg 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.639 up there where parking, just that 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.730 little tiny dog leg up there where you can park, leave your 00:07:20.730 --> 00:07:21.279 car. 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:22.279 Correct. 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:23.279 Yeah. 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.560 I don't know why it was not considered originally. 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.709 Probably the operation here was much smaller back then when 00:07:29.709 --> 00:07:31.560 only this segment was considered 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.939 because the amount of cars lining up ended here most likely 00:07:34.939 --> 00:07:35.199 . 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:39.319 Now they go all the way back onto Windsor. 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.860 Especially that 15, 20 minute, it's just a 15 minute peak, 00:07:42.860 --> 00:07:44.199 but it's not, it's what is 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.319 creating issues, especially with the residents. 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.079 And we had contacted residents along Hanover who will be 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.199 impacted for this parking area. 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.279 But most of them don't use it. 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.589 So we've already sent them letters saying, "Hey, there will 00:07:58.589 --> 00:08:00.680 be school time parking restrictions 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.040 that we're considering. 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.829 If you have any issues, show up to the meeting or send us 00:08:05.829 --> 00:08:07.279 some concerns." 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:08.279 But there were none concerns. 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:09.279 I don't think there's any concerns. 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:15.720 So are they asking for no parking or no stopping? 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.480 No stopping and parking. 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:18.480 Everything. 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:19.480 Everything. 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:20.480 During the school hours. 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.120 So that's also eliminating that as a pickup point. 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.120 Oh, actually, you're right. 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:29.120 The pickup is fine. 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.120 The stopping is fine. 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.120 Yes. 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:32.120 No parking. 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.679 Because I drive that every day. 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:35.679 No parking only. 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:42.639 Also, just kind of a related question. 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.600 Have you looked at all at the parking on Croydon? 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:46.600 Curves. 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.840 Because right now it's parking on both sides. 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:50.840 Correct. 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.649 And most of the time, most cars, if they're parked on both 00:08:53.649 --> 00:08:54.960 sides, you can really only 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.279 get one car in between them. 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:02.250 So that's two-way traffic with only one car space in 00:09:02.250 --> 00:09:03.480 between. 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:08.919 Which is super fun at that time. 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:13.850 People walking down the middle of the street at the same 00:09:13.850 --> 00:09:14.600 time. 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:18.190 And the way the streets were designed, and this is back in 00:09:18.190 --> 00:09:20.159 the day, is it accounted for 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.090 a residential street that didn't actually design it for it 00:09:24.090 --> 00:09:25.919 to be parked continuously 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:27.399 on both sides. 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.240 There would be intermittent parking, and that would help 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:31.399 calm traffic down. 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.440 That's a part of a traffic calming thing. 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:37.320 If you take out parking, then the traffic calming will go 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:37.759 away. 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:38.759 People will start speeding. 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:42.799 That's the first side effect or impact of removing parking. 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.129 I understand there are times when there is only one car 00:09:46.129 --> 00:09:47.799 that can pass through. 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:52.039 But typically if there is enough space that emergency 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.960 vehicles can go through that, then 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.279 we're not considering it as an immediate operational issue. 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.250 Because there are a lot more streets that are less than 00:10:01.250 --> 00:10:02.720 this width available. 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.159 So those are, I think, higher in the priority. 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:06.360 I understand your concern. 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.590 And I think the way these streets were designed is all 00:10:09.590 --> 00:10:11.960 these single family were supposed to 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.799 park on the driveways or in their garages. 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:22.679 But it's changing neighborhoods and changing the way people 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.120 use their facilities. 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.919 Are there sidewalks on Crichton? 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:29.919 I couldn't tell. 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:32.919 I don't believe there are any sidewalks. 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:37.919 There's still a little bit up where the winds are in. 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.919 Yeah, there are no sidewalks there. 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:47.250 How many students do we think walk or bike to school and 00:10:47.250 --> 00:10:50.720 would working on sidewalks in 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.299 that area maybe encourage parents to have more of them and 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:55.919 maybe possibly take a few 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:57.960 of the cars out of the mix? 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:03.080 I think one of the things that we are looking at is the 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.519 city has an SRTS plan. 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.129 And part of that will have, especially in this neighborhood 00:11:09.129 --> 00:11:11.080 , which is much older, wasn't 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.980 really constructed with sidewalks in mind or pedestrian 00:11:13.980 --> 00:11:15.120 travel or nothing. 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:20.240 They expected kids to walk to school but without sidewalks. 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.740 But yes, that's long term. 00:11:22.740 --> 00:11:24.840 We have an SRTS plan. 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:25.840 And you're right. 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:31.289 If we start implementing some of the pedestrian facilities, 00:11:31.289 --> 00:11:33.840 we'll get better or lower car 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:34.840 numbers. 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:37.080 But this is one of the main trails. 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.899 And a lot of kids that are let out at this intersection 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:41.639 directly go across and walk through 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:42.639 the park. 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:46.389 So this kind of connects to a lot of the other portions of 00:11:46.389 --> 00:11:47.960 the neighborhood. 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:49.960 I've noticed a lot of them. 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:53.299 They either come from either part to the center or the kids 00:11:53.299 --> 00:11:54.960 from the north side come down 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:56.600 the sidewalks in Windsor. 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:57.600 And those are connected by sidewalks. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.600 Those are connected by sidewalks. 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:00.600 And there's a bike lane in Windsor. 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:01.600 Windsor has a bike lane. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:02.600 It's buffered. 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:03.600 It has parking. 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:04.600 It has a lot of... 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:07.600 It's a safer walking area. 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:14.600 Windsor definitely. 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.600 Any other discussion on this item? 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:26.600 Does anyone want to make a motion to send this to council? 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.600 I'll motion. 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:29.600 Second. 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:30.600 Okay. 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:32.600 Everyone in favor? 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:33.600 Aye. 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:34.600 Okay. 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:35.600 Passes unanimously. 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.600 It will go on to city council. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:44.169 Item 1C, TSC 18-022 is to receive a report, hold a 00:12:44.169 --> 00:12:48.360 discussion regarding existing at grade 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.580 railroad crossings and the proposed quiet zones in the city 00:12:52.580 --> 00:12:53.600 of Denton. 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:54.600 Pre-time? 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:57.039 All right. 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.120 This is more of an informational item. 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.360 There is no action on this particular item. 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.419 I wanted to get all the members well versed with what's 00:13:07.419 --> 00:13:09.759 happening with quiet zones. 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.320 A lot of times things are said and then they're lost for a 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.399 few months, a year goes by and 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.120 everyone's wondering what's happening with quiet zones. 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:21.559 Just want to give a quick update. 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.509 All these little circles, red circles are at grade cross 00:13:26.509 --> 00:13:28.639 ings within the city. 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:33.200 And there are different railroads going through the city. 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.759 This one that's going across is the UP which is our main 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:38.080 area of concern. 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.889 Not necessarily area of concern, but this is the highest 00:13:40.889 --> 00:13:41.360 traveled. 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:47.259 It has 25 or 26 trains a day, which is fairly high, every 00:13:47.259 --> 00:13:50.200 train going by and having a horn 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.960 along this busy area which is downtown area. 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:01.190 This is the Kent City Central KCS railroad and then this 00:14:01.190 --> 00:14:03.320 one is the DCTA. 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.480 All crossings along DCTA are quiet zones. 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.340 When DCTA went in they implemented quiet zones for all of 00:14:09.340 --> 00:14:09.840 them. 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:11.919 So it's a good start. 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.840 We already have nine locations that are quiet zones. 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:19.769 And then we are currently working on the four downtown ones 00:14:19.769 --> 00:14:22.320 and that's the next picture. 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.320 So we're working on the four in the downtown area. 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:31.820 These are really located in a denser area and the 00:14:31.820 --> 00:14:36.639 projections of these horns are targeted 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:40.179 such that they hit neighborhoods, especially the one that 00:14:40.179 --> 00:14:42.000 turns after Hickory Turn, the 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.679 train turns and it hits the whole north side where the TW 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:46.639 campus is. 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.840 So there is a larger impact due to these horns. 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:53.950 Any train that's coming south impacts this particular 00:14:53.950 --> 00:14:55.519 neighborhood down here. 00:14:55.519 --> 00:15:00.639 And that's why I think about two or three years ago these 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.399 were identified as the major 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:04.399 concern areas. 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:08.559 So these were picked as part of the downtown segment. 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.490 There is another set of crossings that were picked in the 00:15:11.490 --> 00:15:12.679 northern segment. 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.600 I'll talk about it in a little bit on the north side. 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.929 But on this one what we're doing is we're currently working 00:15:19.929 --> 00:15:22.360 with Union Pacific to implement 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:23.360 quiet zone. 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.830 Now what happens in a quiet zone is you have to consider a 00:15:27.830 --> 00:15:30.399 continuous set of crossings. 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.620 If you do quiet zone implementation at this particular 00:15:33.620 --> 00:15:35.600 crossing and you don't do it these 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.590 which are within a quarter of a mile, then you lose the 00:15:38.590 --> 00:15:40.480 impact even though this is quiet 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:44.399 zone, the harness still being sounded at this location as 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.720 well as this location which there 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.919 is no quietness in this area at that point. 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.759 So that's why you have to select a good chunk that's spaced 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:54.480 within quarter mile of each 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.980 other and that's how these were selected. 00:15:58.980 --> 00:16:03.909 Now when we look at the improvements, they look at it as a 00:16:03.909 --> 00:16:05.559 single entity. 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.730 If we improve this whole corridor as a whole, there's 00:16:08.730 --> 00:16:11.440 definitely certain specific improvements 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:13.840 at each of these locations. 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.809 But if we fix one which is more, if we improve it more at H 00:16:17.809 --> 00:16:20.200 ickory, it will fix the rating 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.480 for the others. 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.960 The way they design it, I mean UPRR is our main thing. 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:32.889 The steps in that is they take approximately 30 days to 00:16:32.889 --> 00:16:35.919 have an initial meeting and evaluate 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.460 that all these particular crossings come up with safety 00:16:39.460 --> 00:16:42.019 measures which are called supplemental 00:16:42.019 --> 00:16:44.879 measures and I can show you what those are. 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:49.600 Supplemental safety measures can be adding arms or quadrant 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.720 gates, putting in raised 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:55.679 medians in the middle, one way street and then gates on 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.440 either side and then wayside horn. 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:02.070 So what wayside horns mean is instead of the train sounding 00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:03.840 the horns, there are horns 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:08.349 installed at the corner and then they sound along the 00:17:08.349 --> 00:17:09.319 street. 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.000 So they're much smaller than a decibel and there's very 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.579 little impact on the neighborhood. 00:17:15.579 --> 00:17:20.720 It's down the street, it's like pretty much a horn on a car 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.559 , it's much lower decibel. 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.039 So these are the supplemental safety measures. 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.650 The reason they need these implemented is because if you 00:17:30.650 --> 00:17:32.559 have a two-way street, they 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.670 do not want people swerving around and going in the wrong 00:17:35.670 --> 00:17:37.460 direction if there is only gate 00:17:37.460 --> 00:17:38.460 in one direction. 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:41.279 That's why they need the raised medians to separate that or 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:42.640 they need a four quadrant 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.119 gate which shuts out both. 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.819 And putting in some of these are really expensive like the 00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:50.039 four quadrant gate, you can see it's 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.640 almost close to half a million at this point. 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.859 And then some of them are fairly cheap which is what the 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:58.079 city's recommended at this time 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.920 on most of these. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:02.319 There are some gate improvements and relocation are hickory 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:03.519 but other than that there are 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.119 smaller improvements. 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.049 And pretty much the diagnostic team reviews it, comes up 00:18:10.049 --> 00:18:12.599 with supplemental safety measures 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.930 and then UP goes back, designs it, it's a process for about 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:18.920 three months of designing. 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.099 They come back, they tell you, "Oh, it's going to cost you 00:18:21.099 --> 00:18:22.160 a couple hundred thousand 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:23.160 or five hundred thousand." 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.690 Then the city okays it and then they go back and schedule 00:18:26.690 --> 00:18:28.160 it for construction. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.279 The whole process takes about two years. 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:36.710 We're currently in the first six, seven months and we're 00:18:36.710 --> 00:18:39.759 asked UP to design it so they're 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.000 currently designing all the improvements. 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:46.329 And once we get the estimates we'll go to construction 00:18:46.329 --> 00:18:47.640 right after that. 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:52.109 So that's where we're at on the four downtown locations 00:18:52.109 --> 00:18:55.079 which are crossings at McKinney, 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.400 Hickory, Sycamore and Prairie. 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.519 I forgot to mention the names. 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:04.579 So starts here McKinney, Hickory, Sycamore and then Prairie 00:19:04.579 --> 00:19:04.859 . 00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:09.349 These four intersections, these four crossings will be 00:19:09.349 --> 00:19:13.559 quiet zones, most likely by 2019 July. 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:15.799 That's our schedule, current schedule. 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:20.140 Now the remaining ones that are in the north side, there 00:19:20.140 --> 00:19:22.440 are several in the north side 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:28.480 and I can zoom in into a map but we start here at frame. 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:34.359 There's one crossing, then there's one at Willis, Pertain 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.019 and then Mockingbird is one 00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:41.589 more and I think we go on the other side of the loop 00:19:41.589 --> 00:19:42.779 further. 00:19:42.779 --> 00:19:45.670 So currently there is about a million dollars, little less 00:19:45.670 --> 00:19:47.359 than a million dollars for these 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:48.359 northern zones. 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.569 We don't know how much will be required so once the project 00:19:51.569 --> 00:19:53.480 is started, which is scheduled 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:56.630 to start this year, then we'll find out what the total 00:19:56.630 --> 00:19:57.720 price will be. 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.960 But we're moving forward with that project but we're much 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:02.759 further ahead with the four 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:04.759 and the downtown area. 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:08.079 We have no plans along this particular line yet but this 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.000 will be considered in the next 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.599 bond election and see if we can start implementing because 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.279 this area, this neighborhood is growing 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:21.079 to here and there is a demand on this side too. 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:25.170 So that's where we're at and if you have any questions for 00:20:25.170 --> 00:20:26.640 the quiet zones. 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.200 So 350,000 is coming from the bond? 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:35.240 Correct, that was the 2014 project. 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:39.329 I remember the same information that was presented to the 00:20:39.329 --> 00:20:41.839 bond commission and there was some 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.920 sort of like cone of silence thing. 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:52.490 Was that the horns that are actually at the intersection 00:20:52.490 --> 00:20:54.200 would create a-- 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.839 So this is the noise cone created. 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.799 This probably is what you saw. 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.119 So this is how further the noise travels. 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:05.279 This is the rail and these are the four locations in the 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.440 downtown area. 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:12.450 So when a train comes by all the way up to almost a city 00:21:12.450 --> 00:21:15.720 hall on this side and you get 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.240 up to Bradshaw on the other side. 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:22.109 That's how much further the noise travels but if you 00:21:22.109 --> 00:21:24.759 install supplemental measures, 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.359 the wayside horns are pretty small. 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:32.920 So this is how big the cones are for the wayside horns. 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.799 And they're only impacting stuff along these particular 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.279 streets which are mostly commercial, 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:42.279 nothing at nighttime. 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.279 Yes? 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:49.599 Does the positive train control have anything to do with 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:50.279 this? 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:51.880 Not necessarily the quiet zone. 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:56.470 Yeah, that is something they implement and it has every 00:21:56.470 --> 00:21:59.240 railroad track or every segment 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.980 they have a specific speed that they go by and I think 00:22:02.980 --> 00:22:05.880 positive train control is associated 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.240 with the speed that they're traveling. 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.000 It has nothing to do at grade or the train horn. 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.539 This is per FRA requirement, Federal Railroad 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.680 Administration requires every railroad to 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:24.190 do this no matter what kind of equipment or trains they're 00:22:24.190 --> 00:22:26.400 running for safety. 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.400 All right, any questions? 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:32.400 Any other questions? 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:39.079 I'm so spoiled because I live just far enough away that I 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:42.400 can hear it in the distance and 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.619 I love the way it sounds but I also know I wouldn't like it 00:22:45.619 --> 00:22:47.119 if it were right outside 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:48.119 my window. 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.819 But I like that sound in the distance but that's the luxury 00:22:51.819 --> 00:22:52.119 . 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:53.119 It's in the distance for me. 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:54.119 It's at a distance, yeah. 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:55.119 You would still get the line on the west. 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:56.119 West of us, you would still hear. 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.119 Yeah, okay. 00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:58.119 Because I can hear that. 00:22:58.119 --> 00:22:59.119 I have, yeah. 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:06.329 Yeah, I think the event center here, the new one would not 00:23:06.329 --> 00:23:08.039 like that. 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.599 All right, any other questions? 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.160 All right, thank you for that one, Preetem. 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:23.400 We'll move on to 1D which is TSC 18-023. 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.940 Receive a report and a whole discussion on the fiber optic 00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:28.680 communications master plan 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.440 for the city's traffic signal system. 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.759 All right. 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:38.359 Yeah, this is probably going to be a little bit technical 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.799 but I'll try to make it more-- 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:42.799 less technical. 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:47.130 So what happens is typically traffic signals, we have 00:23:47.130 --> 00:23:49.839 signals all over the city and it's 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.950 hard to see but if you zoom in into this map, all these 00:23:52.950 --> 00:23:55.519 green dots are signalized intersections 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:58.279 that we want to connect. 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:03.359 So the final goal for the city is to establish a traffic 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.640 management center where you have 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.150 one location that all these traffic signals are connected 00:24:11.150 --> 00:24:13.519 to and someone sitting in that 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.529 management center can actually look at what's happening 00:24:16.529 --> 00:24:18.359 because they have cameras on each 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:23.779 of these intersections, then manipulate or make changes to 00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:26.519 the signal timing, whatever 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:31.230 direction is needed at time, remove time and at the same 00:24:31.230 --> 00:24:34.039 time, continuously monitor if 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.349 there is-- if there are incidents, if there is an accident, 00:24:37.349 --> 00:24:39.000 be able to provide more green 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:42.539 in those particular directions where the traffic is clogged 00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:42.720 . 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:44.440 So that's the ultimate goal. 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.670 That's the dream of getting a management center established 00:24:47.670 --> 00:24:49.400 and getting the whole data back 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.200 to this one place. 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:56.599 Currently, we don't have that kind of capabilities. 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:01.039 What we currently have, we have 121 intersections that are 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:02.119 signalized. 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.180 We can communicate and talk to about 80 signals in the city 00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:09.119 and that's through radio communications. 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:14.740 So in radio communications, the amount of data that radio 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:17.319 can carry is limited and it's 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:18.579 slower. 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:22.910 So if we start adding cameras and camera feedbacks, all 00:25:22.910 --> 00:25:25.839 those are going to need more bandwidth 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:27.079 and we don't have that. 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:32.559 The only way to achieve it reliably is to set up a fiber 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:33.880 network. 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.900 And so what happened is back in-- I think it was back in 00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:42.400 2007, there was a grant-- call 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:46.730 for grant and we applied as a city and we received grant 00:25:46.730 --> 00:25:49.240 funding for creating a master 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.269 plan for our fiber network and the traffic management 00:25:52.269 --> 00:25:52.940 center. 00:25:52.940 --> 00:25:54.519 And this is part of the master plan. 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:59.450 It's laid out such that it is defined in different rings 00:25:59.450 --> 00:26:00.619 and loops. 00:26:00.619 --> 00:26:03.440 So if I cannot get the information through one loop, I will 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:04.740 get it through some other 00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:06.259 loop that exists. 00:26:06.259 --> 00:26:09.039 So that's why it's designed that way. 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.519 And finally, we came up with the master plan. 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:16.059 Once we had the master plan, we had only enough funding 00:26:16.059 --> 00:26:17.920 remaining which is still a lot of 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.319 funding, $1.8 million. 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:24.519 But we had only enough to fund the first phase of the 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:25.559 project. 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:32.140 And the first phase was to connect along Bell Avenue to 00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:34.400 down Colorado. 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:39.329 So along Mingo, Bell, all the way down then come to the DC 00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:41.920 TA center, go along the DCTA 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.569 track, this is Colorado, connect to the loop because we 00:26:45.569 --> 00:26:47.640 felt that this area was way more 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.000 congested and needed more monitoring to begin with. 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:54.039 So connecting to the loop was important. 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.400 So we formed that connection. 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:01.329 And then there was another project that Textile was working 00:27:01.329 --> 00:27:02.960 on US 380. 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.720 So we asked them to install some conduits. 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.119 So the conduits already installed on US 380. 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.000 So we'll be connected to that. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.440 So this is the entire first phase. 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:17.769 And it's going to cost about $1.6 million to get this thing 00:27:17.769 --> 00:27:18.440 done. 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:23.569 So this is out to bid and we received bids and it's going 00:27:23.569 --> 00:27:26.160 to the city council for May 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.480 22nd for approval. 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.519 And hopefully right after that, we get the construction 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:32.220 started. 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:35.019 So once we get the phase one, we'll have all the major 00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:36.480 corridors, which is US 380 this 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.000 segment, loop 288 connected to one location. 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.839 And then we can slowly bring in Eagle, Oak and Hickory and 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:46.720 some of these outliers that 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:47.720 are further away. 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.759 We'll slowly get them connected. 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.440 But once these are connected with fiber, we can actually 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.200 monitor them remotely. 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.740 If there are any complaints or issues, we get a lot of 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:00.599 complaints on signal timings 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.259 and signal not working right. 00:28:03.259 --> 00:28:07.839 We can actually reduce the amount of effort by an initial 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.759 step, just going out and checking 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:16.740 it at the management center at one location where the -- it 00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:19.440 would be our servers that 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:20.519 are housed. 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.750 That's where we would check what's happening with those 00:28:22.750 --> 00:28:23.279 signals. 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.920 And if there is an anomaly, they can fix it right there and 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:27.519 then. 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.630 But if really someone needs to get out, then they will go 00:28:30.630 --> 00:28:31.079 out. 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.109 Currently what happens is you get something, you have to go 00:28:34.109 --> 00:28:35.359 out and check it out. 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:39.319 Here we'll get the chance to perform a middle step and 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.640 avoid if they have -- improve efficiency. 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:47.960 That's the primary goal. 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.799 So we're planning on getting this constructed in the next 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:51.559 six months. 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.099 I think once the council approves, we'll start the 00:28:55.099 --> 00:28:56.599 construction soon. 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.839 That's where we're at with this one. 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:01.839 Any questions? 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.839 >> Any questions, comments? 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:05.839 >> Comments. 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:06.839 >> All right. 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:07.839 That's easy. 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:08.839 >> That was easy. 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:09.839 >> Okay. 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:10.839 Thanks for -- 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.839 >> It was too technical, I know. 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:14.839 I'm just -- 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.839 >> My head is spinning. 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.839 All right. 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:28.960 That gets us to item 1E, TSC 18-024, which is our staff 00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:33.279 reports, including our matrix. 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.240 >> Okay. 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.559 Yeah, I think pretty much most of these items are still 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:40.319 there. 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.519 I think they're still viable concerns. 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.839 And moving forward, we have a plan, like the small area 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:48.799 plan is going to address some of 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.240 these concerns. 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.720 And some of these, like, for example, Mingo Road and 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.319 sidewalks on Mingo, these are addressed 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:01.119 through larger projects. 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.680 We're currently working with city management to get these 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:06.359 in the -- either in the bond 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.470 program or somehow get them designed so that we can find 00:30:09.470 --> 00:30:11.359 funds through partnership with 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:12.359 TWU. 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.680 They have a golf course on the north side. 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.920 We're meeting them regularly. 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.319 They have a master plan, too. 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.140 I think -- I'm not sure if there is any particular one that 00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:28.079 someone wants to talk about, but, 00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.859 yeah, these sidewalks, missing sidewalk links, we are 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.039 working on it. 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.759 For example, the McKinney sidewalk, it's on the -- it's in 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:38.680 design. 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:44.059 Actually, the design will be awarded May 22nd for the 2018 00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:45.680 sidewalk package. 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.640 It's included in that. 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.559 So once the design is complete, then we can construct it. 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.200 It's on the path. 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.200 Sidewalk and Calhoun -- 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:54.200 Can I ask about that one real quick? 00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:55.200 Yes. 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.480 Do you -- I think we talked about it last time. 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.400 Are there any other features part of the sidewalks? 00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.400 Is it just sidewalks? 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.400 Are there trees? 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:01.400 Are there anything else? 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:02.400 I think we talked about this. 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.599 Currently, it is just sidewalk because that's the plan. 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:11.329 But I think long-term, for example, Elm and Locust, when we 00:31:11.329 --> 00:31:13.759 go through the process of 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.869 getting it back from Tech Start and getting it redone, we 00:31:16.869 --> 00:31:18.680 are actually planning on going 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.180 through the process of what can be done, because there are 00:31:22.180 --> 00:31:24.440 a couple things happening on there. 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:28.680 We're going through a drainage project, PEC 4, which gets a 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.720 lot of these properties out 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.619 of the floodplain. 00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:37.559 So that's why we're looking at complete streets along that 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:38.480 as part of that. 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.839 So this long-term, yes, we'll look at complete streets. 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:42.839 Yeah. 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:43.839 It's interesting. 00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:45.440 Businesses are starting to move in on McKinney after a long 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:45.759 time. 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.940 There's a new taco place right across the street now that's 00:31:48.940 --> 00:31:50.519 opening, I guess, in a couple 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:51.519 weeks. 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:58.079 So that's two businesses that have opened recently there. 00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:02.480 Any other particular one that -- or anything that needs to 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:03.480 be added? 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.599 Yes, so that one we looked at. 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.680 And one of the concerns -- it's a valid one. 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.440 It's currently under construction. 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.259 There are new crews moving in every day, moving along 00:32:15.259 --> 00:32:17.200 certain -- so I think they went through 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.160 sewer, water, and now streets is coming in. 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.029 So once streets comes in and paves, we'll have the new stri 00:32:24.029 --> 00:32:25.039 ping put in. 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.650 At this point, when we're so close to ending the term for 00:32:28.650 --> 00:32:30.720 the university, it doesn't make 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.680 sense to stripe something or put some markings and signage. 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.839 So we're waiting on streets to come in. 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.359 So it'll be probably a few months before we get there. 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.759 Sorry, it's just the timing. 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.880 We don't want to waste resources and then come back and 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.359 everyone's going to say, "Well, 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.839 you just put it in and you tore it up like next day." 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.839 We don't want to do that. 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.000 Especially on a highly visible area like that corner. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.200 But we do agree that part of it shouldn't be parking. 00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.680 We've already talked to UNT about enforcing. 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.119 I sold some tickets. 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.210 We called them UNT and we need to start enforcing this 00:33:06.210 --> 00:33:07.319 facility. 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:08.319 Really? 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:09.319 Yeah. 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:10.319 Okay. 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.460 I did mention it to our parking folks, but I thought it was 00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:16.480 a UNT area that they needed 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:17.480 to enforce. 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.480 But it was a city that could at least -- 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.480 But it was right down here. 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:23.480 They had a ticket there. 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:24.480 I saw the guy doing it. 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:25.480 And then further up, it's by parking from the fire plug. 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:26.480 They gave that person a ticket. 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.480 But it's spotty. 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.130 Yeah, they don't have enough staff to keep up with the area 00:33:35.130 --> 00:33:35.480 . 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.079 It's too big. 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:41.240 I think that fire hydrant at the corner of Frye and Hickory 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.279 , it's tough because it's 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.039 set back. 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.279 It's in the green area on the other side of the sidewalk. 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:50.279 And students aren't looking that far. 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:51.279 So it's the other fire plug. 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.279 They moved that one back. 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:55.279 Yeah. 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:56.640 And they're going to miss it. 00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.410 While talking about that area, what's the status or the 00:34:00.410 --> 00:34:02.680 completion plan for Hickory? 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.160 When's that supposed to open back up? 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.720 And are they then going to work on it again? 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.119 I think the completion plan is 2019. 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.639 I can get you a date on that. 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.639 It's on the website. 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.840 But just even reopen Hickory right now between UNT and the 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:18.760 square. 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.039 So it's been closed for a while now. 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.599 UNT and square. 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.719 Yeah, so what's happening is there are different entities 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:27.000 working through it. 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.539 So Streets is working on the North Texas Boulevard side 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:32.880 while they're wrapping up with sewer 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.880 and water on the other end near Carroll. 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.119 So that's why there's a UC construction all over in 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:41.800 different segments. 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.639 But actually the crews are moving in one at a time. 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.699 So one crew is going in doing water, then the next crew 00:34:48.699 --> 00:34:50.199 goes in to sewer. 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.230 That's why there are certain segments closed in different 00:34:53.230 --> 00:34:55.360 locations because there are different 00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.199 entities working in that area. 00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:59.199 I can get you a schedule. 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.420 And there are certain times that they will be closed and 00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:03.199 opened up. 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.760 But we try and keep it open as much as possible. 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.199 It's a matter of safety. 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.079 And then is there going to be a repaint? 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.769 So the bike lane's kind of gone now that was put in because 00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:15.280 they tore it all up. 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.400 So the bike lane is gone. 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.320 And now the street looks worse than it did before. 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.559 So I mean, I've said this a million times. 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.199 I think it's the most important stretch. 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.119 It connects our two urban areas. 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.679 So and it's been... 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.699 It's the growing pains and it gets worse before it can get 00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:33.360 better. 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.559 That's where we're at. 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.369 So is it, but after the, I know the sewer work and all that 00:35:37.369 --> 00:35:38.719 has to be done after that's 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.199 done then is it... 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.440 The street is coming right behind. 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:42.760 They started at North Texas. 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.070 So I think they're doing the first phase for streets right 00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:46.559 now. 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:50.619 So they'll pave and they come in and then they'll do the 00:35:50.619 --> 00:35:52.639 signs and markings all. 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.400 But there's no changes to the sidewalks during that one? 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:56.880 Is it just the street? 00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.920 No, there'll be replacing... 00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:01.760 It's on the maintenance side. 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.679 So they'll be replacing some of the panels which are broken 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.679 , some of the curb and gutter 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:08.679 which is broken. 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.769 So I think they have about 50% replacement as needed for 00:36:12.769 --> 00:36:14.920 maintenance, not putting in 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:16.360 any new... 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.530 If there are missing gaps that are really small, they'll do 00:36:18.530 --> 00:36:18.920 that. 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.739 But if there are longer gaps like one block, two block, 00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:23.360 three block, they won't do that 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.280 under the contract that they currently have. 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.510 But maintenance wise, they'll replace all the panels and 00:36:29.510 --> 00:36:30.599 driveways. 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:35.000 I think you're aware of that part. 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:36.639 I am aware of that part. 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.289 So I live on Oak Street and I've been meaning to commend 00:36:40.289 --> 00:36:42.760 you guys for sending out the actual 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.869 schedule for the road work on Hickory because otherwise you 00:36:45.869 --> 00:36:47.440 would have had a lot of pissed 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.519 off people calling. 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.159 But now we know exactly what to expect. 00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.320 It's going to get way better. 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.840 We're working on the transparency and communication plan. 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.800 It looks like you're on schedule. 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:03.800 It is. 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.679 The street work already started on Hickory. 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:06.679 So yes. 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:07.679 And it looks good. 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.920 You're doing it one lane at a time. 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.440 Yes, they're slowly moving. 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:13.960 They have to keep the traffic moving. 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.019 They can't be. 00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:17.880 So it's kind of a slower process. 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.699 But the next part is the signal at Oak and Jaygo and Oak 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:22.599 and Fry. 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:23.599 That's coming up. 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.800 I mentioned about it before, but that's coming up. 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.280 And you're putting in a pedestrian crossing. 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:29.280 Everything. 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:33.320 88 ramps, pedestrian crossings, everything. 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.679 And then I was getting back to the matrix. 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:41.559 Is Malone ever going to be drivable or should I just get an 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:42.159 SVA? 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.050 You want to schedule for when it's going to be reconstruct 00:37:46.050 --> 00:37:46.440 ed? 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:47.440 Yes. 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.639 I'm getting flat tires driving down Malone. 00:37:52.639 --> 00:38:01.440 It's been chewed up so much with sewage and things. 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.440 Well, Preetem has his pen out. 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.039 Does anybody else have anything to add to the matrix? 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.039 Cody? 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:08.039 Well, not necessarily to add. 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.039 I think some of it's already on there. 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:15.369 But I was asked by my neighbors to ask about the left turn 00:38:15.369 --> 00:38:18.800 lanes and timing for Old North 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.760 and Nottingham at University. 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:26.320 So Old North and... 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:27.320 Old North at US 380? 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:28.320 Yeah, 380. 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.480 And then also Nottingham at 380. 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:37.480 So we already have Old North and 380. 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.039 It's not currently under design, but it'll be under design 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:42.079 pretty soon. 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.769 It's part of the small transportation projects that was 00:38:44.769 --> 00:38:45.840 approved by the city council, so 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.719 we have funding to put left turn lanes there. 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.929 So as a first stage, we're going to put the left turn lanes 00:38:51.929 --> 00:38:52.239 . 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:56.559 One of the concerns that was brought up is are we also 00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.639 adding protected left turns, like 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.599 the signal? 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.500 And that may or may not happen because currently the data 00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:07.880 shows that there are very few left 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:08.880 turners. 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.420 The main concern is people that swing to the side last 00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:14.599 minute and try and go bypass the 00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.789 person that's waiting for turning left because the left 00:39:17.789 --> 00:39:18.880 turn is shared. 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.679 So I think that's the concern. 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.500 Once you separate the two movements, you can clearly see 00:39:23.500 --> 00:39:24.840 who is in the through lane and 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:25.840 who is in the left lane. 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:26.590 I think there's a third factor in that right now is the 00:39:26.590 --> 00:39:26.840 timing. 00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:35.639 If you're turning left going east on 380, you're probably 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.519 going to be there for three 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:39.519 lights. 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.780 If there's anybody coming from the other side, because you 00:39:42.780 --> 00:39:44.519 have the hesitation of left turn 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.429 and left turn and then the people going straight and 00:39:47.429 --> 00:39:49.679 usually only about two cars from each 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.039 side get to go. 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.960 And that was the biggest thing for my neighbors. 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.519 I think we can fix the timing. 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.889 One of the things that's happening is we're re-timing the 00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:04.760 US 380 corridor as part of coordination 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.519 and that might be an issue that comes up. 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.119 So we have to fine tune the timings and we might have to 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.880 change it. 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:17.880 Is there anything else? 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:18.880 I have one item. 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.920 I just like to always pick my favorite spots, the low 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.199 hanging fruit in the core of spots. 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.519 Sycamore and Wainwright. 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.969 The new apartments were built there on Sycamore, I don't 00:40:28.969 --> 00:40:30.599 know, a year and a half, two years 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.760 ago maybe. 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.559 And so we have just that little spot where the sidewalk 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.079 ends and it's only about 10 feet 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.159 to have a continuous sidewalk all the way. 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.750 It would be a pretty good stretch and so I was thinking 00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:42.400 that. 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.400 And I don't know what the... 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.400 Do you know the address? 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.400 Sycamore and Wainwright. 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.719 What side of Sycamore or is it on Wainwright? 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.599 It's on the opposite side of the church. 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.079 So right, it would be on Sycamore. 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:54.079 On Sycamore? 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.840 I could look at the address of these apartments. 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.949 It's right where they built the new parking lot for the 00:41:00.949 --> 00:41:02.320 church right there. 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:03.730 It's on the other side of the street towards those 00:41:03.730 --> 00:41:04.239 apartments. 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.239 I've got it pulled up here. 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.239 Missing site. 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.239 Let's see. 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.269 I don't know what the actual address would be because there 00:41:11.269 --> 00:41:13.039 's no building at that corner. 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.480 You've got a 412 Wainwright up there. 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.480 Is that...right here it is. 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:20.480 Let's see. 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:21.480 Yeah. 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:22.480 I think that's... 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.480 It's on the other side of Sycamore. 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:25.480 Yeah. 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:26.480 That's 414. 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:27.480 Is it? 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:28.480 Let's see. 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:29.480 Right there. 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:30.480 Maybe. 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:31.480 No, that's a good one. 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:33.519 I mean, we can definitely... 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.739 It's just a simple one and then the sidewalk will be 00:41:37.739 --> 00:41:41.480 connected all the way through to Locust. 00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.480 Definitely. 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.480 Okay. 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:53.480 Does anyone else have anything to add? 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:55.480 Are we good? 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:56.480 Okay. 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.480 Do we have any concluding items? 00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:00.480 Yes. 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.079 We just...Trey's gonna help me with that. 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.619 We just found out today...was it today or yesterday we got 00:42:08.619 --> 00:42:09.480 the email? 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:10.480 We got today. 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:11.480 Yeah. 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:12.719 From Nancy. 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.639 She has resigned as of today from the post of commissioners 00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:18.440 ...commission. 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.440 She is no longer in the committee. 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:21.440 That was a choice. 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.940 She's retiring apparently, so she wants to retire 00:42:25.940 --> 00:42:27.360 completely. 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.320 So we're...how do we move forward? 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.320 That's the question for Trey as far as the members. 00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:38.349 We'll go through the city secretary and have council nom 00:42:38.349 --> 00:42:40.119 inate for Blake. 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.679 So we'll bring forward the process and what happens and we 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.000 'll go from there. 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.219 So should we consider nomination or the city council will 00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:50.280 nominate? 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:55.320 I should also point out that either this or next month will 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.280 be my last meeting. 00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.760 I've already spoken to Keely about it. 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.579 And she's also appointing someone else because we'll be 00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:03.599 leaving Denton. 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:04.599 Oh, wow. 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:05.599 Okay. 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:06.599 Unfortunately. 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.800 And so those will both be district specific then, right? 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:12.800 So the appointed by their councilor. 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.280 Yeah, I think Keely already has someone in mind. 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.420 She asked me to kind of give them the rundown of what goes 00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:19.960 on. 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:24.400 When is the new council going to be sworn in? 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:25.400 Next week. 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:26.400 Next week. 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.400 But we have a runoff, correct? 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.400 There will be a runoff. 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:31.400 I believe that's correct. 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:32.400 Yeah. 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.590 June 16th is when the next runoff happens for that new 00:43:36.590 --> 00:43:37.480 member. 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:38.599 Another one would be added. 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.880 So we don't want to necessarily take care of all the empty 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.599 seats until after June 16th. 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.039 And so what are the two, so it's district two. 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:49.039 Is that right? 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.039 And then what was Nancy's district? 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.039 I don't know. 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.239 Yeah, we'll have to look at it. 00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:57.239 We're sorry. 00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.239 No, it's okay. 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.179 We're interested and then we can maybe recommend people to 00:44:01.179 --> 00:44:09.199 those counselors who might be interested. 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:10.400 Do a process elimination. 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:11.400 I'm district one. 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.400 Are you? 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:13.400 Three. 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:18.400 I'm place six, which is that large. 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:19.400 Okay. 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:20.400 Then four. 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:25.400 I'm two, so that's five. 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:26.400 Yeah. 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.400 That seems probably right. 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:30.400 Yeah. 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.400 Okay. 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:50.000 If that is it, we will call ourselves finished at 617. 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:50.320 Thank you. 00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:26.400 [ Silence ]