1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,230 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Traffic 2 00:00:06,230 --> 00:00:09,199 Safety Commission meeting of Monday, 3 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:12,039 May 7th, 2018. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,679 We have a quorum, so we're getting started at 5.32 p.m. 5 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:21,519 The first item on our agenda is number one, items for 6 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:23,039 consideration. 7 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:30,519 Item 1A, TSC 18-020 is to consider the approval of the 8 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:33,159 Traffic Safety Commission meeting minutes 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,159 of April 2nd, 2018. 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,520 Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,520 Are there any corrections? 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,520 >> Make a motion that we accept as read. 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,520 >> We have a motion. 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,520 >> I'll second. 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,520 >> And we have a second. 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,320 >> Is everyone in agreement? 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,960 The minutes have been approved as written. 18 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:06,680 Item 1B is TSC 18-021. 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,500 Receive a report, hold discussion, and make a 20 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:12,040 recommendation to City Council for approval 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,510 of prohibiting parking on the southwest side of Hanover 22 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:19,239 Drive adjacent to the school from 23 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:23,599 Windsor Drive to Croydon Street during school hours. 24 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:24,599 Preetam? 25 00:01:24,599 --> 00:01:27,159 >> Good evening, everyone. 26 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:30,680 My name is Preetam Deshmukh, traffic engineer for the city. 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,909 And this item is brought forward based on not a complaint 28 00:01:36,909 --> 00:01:39,840 but a concern from DISD. 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,900 And I was contacted by their safety manager who typically 30 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:44,760 contacts me when there are issues 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,840 at schools. 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,959 And we had a meeting with the principal and we actually sat 33 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:54,599 through one cycle to observe 34 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:57,040 what was happening at that particular place. 35 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,239 So this is -- I'll just pull up a map and briefly talk 36 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:03,900 through what was happening. 37 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:08,219 This is a portion of Hanover Drive that we're really 38 00:02:08,219 --> 00:02:10,039 concerned about. 39 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,939 So this portion of Hanover Drive that curves around and 40 00:02:12,939 --> 00:02:14,560 then all the way to the edge of 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,879 the campus. 42 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,000 This is where the campus ends. 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,110 Currently the way the operation of the campus is, when the 44 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:22,759 school was built, it was built 45 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:25,800 as a neighborhood school where kids would walk to school 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,319 not expecting anyone would 47 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:28,319 drive. 48 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:31,849 And therefore it was not designed as a drop-off area or a 49 00:02:31,849 --> 00:02:34,240 lot of cars pulling in and circulating 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,169 around the campus as most of the newer campuses like Pecan 51 00:02:39,169 --> 00:02:41,879 Creek Elementary and Razor -- I'm 52 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:45,259 sorry, L.A. Nelson and all those have. 53 00:02:45,259 --> 00:02:48,759 So this does not have a drive-through element. 54 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:52,439 The ISD is considering a portion of this to be converted 55 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:54,960 into a drive-through or a connection 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,560 back here as part of their bond package. 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,849 They've not really looked at it, but that's their long-term 58 00:03:00,849 --> 00:03:02,360 solution to get people off 59 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,639 here and then circulate them back that way. 60 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,969 But all that will come to our review eventually, not at 61 00:03:09,969 --> 00:03:11,080 this point. 62 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,620 They wanted to come up with an immediate solution at least 63 00:03:14,620 --> 00:03:16,639 for the next few years and give you 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,680 a brief history what has happened. 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,960 This problem didn't start today. 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,000 It started a long time ago. 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,229 And as a result, what they did is they posted no stopping 68 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:29,840 anytime signs along this portion 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,770 so that cars could -- if you go to the street view, you can 70 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:34,199 see the signs -- so that no 71 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:38,400 one would stop or stand during the school hours. 72 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,039 And only if it can read. 73 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:44,909 So what's happening on this side is cars are not allowed to 74 00:03:44,909 --> 00:03:47,439 stop during the school hours. 75 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:48,719 So that's a good thing. 76 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:54,039 The entire width of the street is 32 feet. 77 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:56,840 And then the other thing that was done is you see this 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,159 curve from this driveway. 79 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,280 Let me get back your bearing. 80 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,039 So from this driveway all the way to the edge of the school 81 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:05,960 , this is also a no stopping 82 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,199 area during the school hours. 83 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,080 It's -- I'm sorry. 84 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,080 No parking area. 85 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,400 It's a stopping area for cars to line up here. 86 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,930 This segment, however, was left out of the whole discussion 87 00:04:18,930 --> 00:04:19,079 . 88 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:23,430 And what's happening here is people park and go pick up 89 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:24,639 their kids. 90 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,610 When they're parked, people that are waiting to pick up 91 00:04:27,610 --> 00:04:29,439 their kids here, there's a gate 92 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:30,939 here right here. 93 00:04:30,939 --> 00:04:33,439 And this is where some of the classes are let off. 94 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:37,769 So cars are lined up all the way along the curb while these 95 00:04:37,769 --> 00:04:40,000 cars get in and out of here, 96 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,519 they line up here, but they back up here. 97 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:46,579 So if someone's parked in this particular area, then there 98 00:04:46,579 --> 00:04:48,639 's double stopping and there's 99 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,120 no two-way traffic chance on this side. 100 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,959 So you cannot fit in four cars next to each other. 101 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:57,040 Only three can fit in comfortably. 102 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,860 So that's why if someone's parked and then someone's 103 00:04:59,860 --> 00:05:01,279 waiting in this queue to pick up 104 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,199 their kid, you can't really pass or cars coming down Winds 105 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:06,920 or cannot really pass. 106 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,850 So there's a big chaos and I think what happened last few 107 00:05:11,850 --> 00:05:14,759 weeks, cops were called in and a 108 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:18,160 lot of tickets were given or warnings were given. 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,089 And that's where ISD felt and the school principal felt 110 00:05:22,089 --> 00:05:25,360 that we needed to do something, especially 111 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,800 during school hours. 112 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,600 They're really short span hours, especially in the 113 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:29,879 afternoon. 114 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:33,819 It's not the whole day that it's required for. 115 00:05:33,819 --> 00:05:37,589 So if we can restrict parking in this particular segment, 116 00:05:37,589 --> 00:05:39,860 then that would really alleviate 117 00:05:39,860 --> 00:05:42,560 some of the major concerns that are happening today. 118 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,100 A lot of people are parked on Croydon Street up and down 119 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:47,959 just to be able to get in line 120 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:50,399 to pick up their kids here too. 121 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:53,000 So it's not that parking is not available. 122 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,649 So parking is available along this segment and then on this 123 00:05:56,649 --> 00:05:58,120 side of Hanover too. 124 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,540 There's a lot of parking where parents can park. 125 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:03,240 There's parking on this side where parents can park and go 126 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,120 pick up their kids. 127 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,360 So it's not that there is no available parking in the area. 128 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,959 It's just that this becomes an operation hazard if there 129 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:13,519 are cars getting in and out here 130 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:15,319 as well people lined up here. 131 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:17,819 So this particular segment gets congested. 132 00:06:17,819 --> 00:06:23,060 So that's why this item is in front of the commission today 133 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:25,959 is if we, the staff recommends 134 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:29,069 restricting this parking, especially during school hours, 135 00:06:29,069 --> 00:06:31,199 that way cars can line up appropriately. 136 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:33,800 The operations can be safer for kids. 137 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,259 There's a crosswalk here and there was a lot of confusion 138 00:06:36,259 --> 00:06:37,399 here also because of the parked 139 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:38,399 cars. 140 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:42,600 So that would go away and it would make much safer space. 141 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,800 Rest of the day it's fine. 142 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,800 You can park it anytime. 143 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,879 You can move through that area. 144 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:47,879 It's no issue. 145 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:49,680 But during school hours. 146 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,209 And I think they need to, they want to move forward as soon 147 00:06:53,209 --> 00:06:54,120 as possible. 148 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,069 Now that the school will be over in a month or so, starting 149 00:06:57,069 --> 00:06:58,519 next school year they want 150 00:06:58,519 --> 00:06:59,519 to dis-implement it. 151 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:03,160 And that's why we brought this item forward. 152 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,800 Any questions? 153 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,920 So that straighter stretch of Hanover allows for pausing. 154 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,680 So you can stop, remain in your car, but it's the dog leg 155 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,639 up there where parking, just that 156 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:20,730 little tiny dog leg up there where you can park, leave your 157 00:07:20,730 --> 00:07:21,279 car. 158 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:22,279 Correct. 159 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:23,279 Yeah. 160 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,560 I don't know why it was not considered originally. 161 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,709 Probably the operation here was much smaller back then when 162 00:07:29,709 --> 00:07:31,560 only this segment was considered 163 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,939 because the amount of cars lining up ended here most likely 164 00:07:34,939 --> 00:07:35,199 . 165 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,319 Now they go all the way back onto Windsor. 166 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:42,860 Especially that 15, 20 minute, it's just a 15 minute peak, 167 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:44,199 but it's not, it's what is 168 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:47,319 creating issues, especially with the residents. 169 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:51,079 And we had contacted residents along Hanover who will be 170 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:53,199 impacted for this parking area. 171 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:55,279 But most of them don't use it. 172 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:58,589 So we've already sent them letters saying, "Hey, there will 173 00:07:58,589 --> 00:08:00,680 be school time parking restrictions 174 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,040 that we're considering. 175 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,829 If you have any issues, show up to the meeting or send us 176 00:08:05,829 --> 00:08:07,279 some concerns." 177 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:08,279 But there were none concerns. 178 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:09,279 I don't think there's any concerns. 179 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:15,720 So are they asking for no parking or no stopping? 180 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,480 No stopping and parking. 181 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,480 Everything. 182 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Everything. 183 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,480 During the school hours. 184 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,120 So that's also eliminating that as a pickup point. 185 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Oh, actually, you're right. 186 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,120 The pickup is fine. 187 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,120 The stopping is fine. 188 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,120 Yes. 189 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,120 No parking. 190 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,679 Because I drive that every day. 191 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,679 No parking only. 192 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:42,639 Also, just kind of a related question. 193 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:45,600 Have you looked at all at the parking on Croydon? 194 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Curves. 195 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,840 Because right now it's parking on both sides. 196 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:50,840 Correct. 197 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,649 And most of the time, most cars, if they're parked on both 198 00:08:53,649 --> 00:08:54,960 sides, you can really only 199 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,279 get one car in between them. 200 00:08:57,279 --> 00:09:02,250 So that's two-way traffic with only one car space in 201 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:03,480 between. 202 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,919 Which is super fun at that time. 203 00:09:08,919 --> 00:09:13,850 People walking down the middle of the street at the same 204 00:09:13,850 --> 00:09:14,600 time. 205 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,190 And the way the streets were designed, and this is back in 206 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:20,159 the day, is it accounted for 207 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,090 a residential street that didn't actually design it for it 208 00:09:24,090 --> 00:09:25,919 to be parked continuously 209 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:27,399 on both sides. 210 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:30,240 There would be intermittent parking, and that would help 211 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,399 calm traffic down. 212 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,440 That's a part of a traffic calming thing. 213 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,320 If you take out parking, then the traffic calming will go 214 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:37,759 away. 215 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:38,759 People will start speeding. 216 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:42,799 That's the first side effect or impact of removing parking. 217 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:46,129 I understand there are times when there is only one car 218 00:09:46,129 --> 00:09:47,799 that can pass through. 219 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:52,039 But typically if there is enough space that emergency 220 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:54,960 vehicles can go through that, then 221 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,279 we're not considering it as an immediate operational issue. 222 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:01,250 Because there are a lot more streets that are less than 223 00:10:01,250 --> 00:10:02,720 this width available. 224 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,159 So those are, I think, higher in the priority. 225 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:06,360 I understand your concern. 226 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,590 And I think the way these streets were designed is all 227 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:11,960 these single family were supposed to 228 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,799 park on the driveways or in their garages. 229 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:22,679 But it's changing neighborhoods and changing the way people 230 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,120 use their facilities. 231 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,919 Are there sidewalks on Crichton? 232 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:29,919 I couldn't tell. 233 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:32,919 I don't believe there are any sidewalks. 234 00:10:32,919 --> 00:10:37,919 There's still a little bit up where the winds are in. 235 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:40,919 Yeah, there are no sidewalks there. 236 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:47,250 How many students do we think walk or bike to school and 237 00:10:47,250 --> 00:10:50,720 would working on sidewalks in 238 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,299 that area maybe encourage parents to have more of them and 239 00:10:54,299 --> 00:10:55,919 maybe possibly take a few 240 00:10:55,919 --> 00:10:57,960 of the cars out of the mix? 241 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:03,080 I think one of the things that we are looking at is the 242 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,519 city has an SRTS plan. 243 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,129 And part of that will have, especially in this neighborhood 244 00:11:09,129 --> 00:11:11,080 , which is much older, wasn't 245 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,980 really constructed with sidewalks in mind or pedestrian 246 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:15,120 travel or nothing. 247 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,240 They expected kids to walk to school but without sidewalks. 248 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,740 But yes, that's long term. 249 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:24,840 We have an SRTS plan. 250 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:25,840 And you're right. 251 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,289 If we start implementing some of the pedestrian facilities, 252 00:11:31,289 --> 00:11:33,840 we'll get better or lower car 253 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,840 numbers. 254 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,080 But this is one of the main trails. 255 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,899 And a lot of kids that are let out at this intersection 256 00:11:39,899 --> 00:11:41,639 directly go across and walk through 257 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:42,639 the park. 258 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:46,389 So this kind of connects to a lot of the other portions of 259 00:11:46,389 --> 00:11:47,960 the neighborhood. 260 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,960 I've noticed a lot of them. 261 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,299 They either come from either part to the center or the kids 262 00:11:53,299 --> 00:11:54,960 from the north side come down 263 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,600 the sidewalks in Windsor. 264 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:57,600 And those are connected by sidewalks. 265 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:58,600 Those are connected by sidewalks. 266 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,600 And there's a bike lane in Windsor. 267 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,600 Windsor has a bike lane. 268 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,600 It's buffered. 269 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:03,600 It has parking. 270 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,600 It has a lot of... 271 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,600 It's a safer walking area. 272 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:14,600 Windsor definitely. 273 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Any other discussion on this item? 274 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:26,600 Does anyone want to make a motion to send this to council? 275 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,600 I'll motion. 276 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Second. 277 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,600 Okay. 278 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Everyone in favor? 279 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Aye. 280 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,600 Okay. 281 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Passes unanimously. 282 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,600 It will go on to city council. 283 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:44,169 Item 1C, TSC 18-022 is to receive a report, hold a 284 00:12:44,169 --> 00:12:48,360 discussion regarding existing at grade 285 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,580 railroad crossings and the proposed quiet zones in the city 286 00:12:52,580 --> 00:12:53,600 of Denton. 287 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Pre-time? 288 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,039 All right. 289 00:12:57,039 --> 00:13:01,120 This is more of an informational item. 290 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,360 There is no action on this particular item. 291 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,419 I wanted to get all the members well versed with what's 292 00:13:07,419 --> 00:13:09,759 happening with quiet zones. 293 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:13,320 A lot of times things are said and then they're lost for a 294 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,399 few months, a year goes by and 295 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,120 everyone's wondering what's happening with quiet zones. 296 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,559 Just want to give a quick update. 297 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,509 All these little circles, red circles are at grade cross 298 00:13:26,509 --> 00:13:28,639 ings within the city. 299 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,200 And there are different railroads going through the city. 300 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,759 This one that's going across is the UP which is our main 301 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:38,080 area of concern. 302 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,889 Not necessarily area of concern, but this is the highest 303 00:13:40,889 --> 00:13:41,360 traveled. 304 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:47,259 It has 25 or 26 trains a day, which is fairly high, every 305 00:13:47,259 --> 00:13:50,200 train going by and having a horn 306 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,960 along this busy area which is downtown area. 307 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:01,190 This is the Kent City Central KCS railroad and then this 308 00:14:01,190 --> 00:14:03,320 one is the DCTA. 309 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,480 All crossings along DCTA are quiet zones. 310 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,340 When DCTA went in they implemented quiet zones for all of 311 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:09,840 them. 312 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,919 So it's a good start. 313 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:14,840 We already have nine locations that are quiet zones. 314 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,769 And then we are currently working on the four downtown ones 315 00:14:19,769 --> 00:14:22,320 and that's the next picture. 316 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,320 So we're working on the four in the downtown area. 317 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,820 These are really located in a denser area and the 318 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:36,639 projections of these horns are targeted 319 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,179 such that they hit neighborhoods, especially the one that 320 00:14:40,179 --> 00:14:42,000 turns after Hickory Turn, the 321 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,679 train turns and it hits the whole north side where the TW 322 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:46,639 campus is. 323 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,840 So there is a larger impact due to these horns. 324 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,950 Any train that's coming south impacts this particular 325 00:14:53,950 --> 00:14:55,519 neighborhood down here. 326 00:14:55,519 --> 00:15:00,639 And that's why I think about two or three years ago these 327 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,399 were identified as the major 328 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:04,399 concern areas. 329 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:08,559 So these were picked as part of the downtown segment. 330 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:11,490 There is another set of crossings that were picked in the 331 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:12,679 northern segment. 332 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:15,600 I'll talk about it in a little bit on the north side. 333 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,929 But on this one what we're doing is we're currently working 334 00:15:19,929 --> 00:15:22,360 with Union Pacific to implement 335 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,360 quiet zone. 336 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,830 Now what happens in a quiet zone is you have to consider a 337 00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:30,399 continuous set of crossings. 338 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,620 If you do quiet zone implementation at this particular 339 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:35,600 crossing and you don't do it these 340 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,590 which are within a quarter of a mile, then you lose the 341 00:15:38,590 --> 00:15:40,480 impact even though this is quiet 342 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,399 zone, the harness still being sounded at this location as 343 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:46,720 well as this location which there 344 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,919 is no quietness in this area at that point. 345 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:52,759 So that's why you have to select a good chunk that's spaced 346 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:54,480 within quarter mile of each 347 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,980 other and that's how these were selected. 348 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:03,909 Now when we look at the improvements, they look at it as a 349 00:16:03,909 --> 00:16:05,559 single entity. 350 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:08,730 If we improve this whole corridor as a whole, there's 351 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:11,440 definitely certain specific improvements 352 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,840 at each of these locations. 353 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,809 But if we fix one which is more, if we improve it more at H 354 00:16:17,809 --> 00:16:20,200 ickory, it will fix the rating 355 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,480 for the others. 356 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,960 The way they design it, I mean UPRR is our main thing. 357 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,889 The steps in that is they take approximately 30 days to 358 00:16:32,889 --> 00:16:35,919 have an initial meeting and evaluate 359 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:39,460 that all these particular crossings come up with safety 360 00:16:39,460 --> 00:16:42,019 measures which are called supplemental 361 00:16:42,019 --> 00:16:44,879 measures and I can show you what those are. 362 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:49,600 Supplemental safety measures can be adding arms or quadrant 363 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,720 gates, putting in raised 364 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,679 medians in the middle, one way street and then gates on 365 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:58,440 either side and then wayside horn. 366 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,070 So what wayside horns mean is instead of the train sounding 367 00:17:02,070 --> 00:17:03,840 the horns, there are horns 368 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,349 installed at the corner and then they sound along the 369 00:17:08,349 --> 00:17:09,319 street. 370 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:13,000 So they're much smaller than a decibel and there's very 371 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,579 little impact on the neighborhood. 372 00:17:15,579 --> 00:17:20,720 It's down the street, it's like pretty much a horn on a car 373 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,559 , it's much lower decibel. 374 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:27,039 So these are the supplemental safety measures. 375 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:30,650 The reason they need these implemented is because if you 376 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,559 have a two-way street, they 377 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:35,670 do not want people swerving around and going in the wrong 378 00:17:35,670 --> 00:17:37,460 direction if there is only gate 379 00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:38,460 in one direction. 380 00:17:38,460 --> 00:17:41,279 That's why they need the raised medians to separate that or 381 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:42,640 they need a four quadrant 382 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,119 gate which shuts out both. 383 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,819 And putting in some of these are really expensive like the 384 00:17:47,819 --> 00:17:50,039 four quadrant gate, you can see it's 385 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:52,640 almost close to half a million at this point. 386 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,859 And then some of them are fairly cheap which is what the 387 00:17:55,859 --> 00:17:58,079 city's recommended at this time 388 00:17:58,079 --> 00:17:59,920 on most of these. 389 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,319 There are some gate improvements and relocation are hickory 390 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:03,519 but other than that there are 391 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:06,119 smaller improvements. 392 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,049 And pretty much the diagnostic team reviews it, comes up 393 00:18:10,049 --> 00:18:12,599 with supplemental safety measures 394 00:18:12,599 --> 00:18:16,930 and then UP goes back, designs it, it's a process for about 395 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:18,920 three months of designing. 396 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,099 They come back, they tell you, "Oh, it's going to cost you 397 00:18:21,099 --> 00:18:22,160 a couple hundred thousand 398 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,160 or five hundred thousand." 399 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,690 Then the city okays it and then they go back and schedule 400 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:28,160 it for construction. 401 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,279 The whole process takes about two years. 402 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:36,710 We're currently in the first six, seven months and we're 403 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:39,759 asked UP to design it so they're 404 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:43,000 currently designing all the improvements. 405 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,329 And once we get the estimates we'll go to construction 406 00:18:46,329 --> 00:18:47,640 right after that. 407 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,109 So that's where we're at on the four downtown locations 408 00:18:52,109 --> 00:18:55,079 which are crossings at McKinney, 409 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,400 Hickory, Sycamore and Prairie. 410 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,519 I forgot to mention the names. 411 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:04,579 So starts here McKinney, Hickory, Sycamore and then Prairie 412 00:19:04,579 --> 00:19:04,859 . 413 00:19:04,859 --> 00:19:09,349 These four intersections, these four crossings will be 414 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:13,559 quiet zones, most likely by 2019 July. 415 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:15,799 That's our schedule, current schedule. 416 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:20,140 Now the remaining ones that are in the north side, there 417 00:19:20,140 --> 00:19:22,440 are several in the north side 418 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,480 and I can zoom in into a map but we start here at frame. 419 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:34,359 There's one crossing, then there's one at Willis, Pertain 420 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,019 and then Mockingbird is one 421 00:19:37,019 --> 00:19:41,589 more and I think we go on the other side of the loop 422 00:19:41,589 --> 00:19:42,779 further. 423 00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:45,670 So currently there is about a million dollars, little less 424 00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:47,359 than a million dollars for these 425 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,359 northern zones. 426 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,569 We don't know how much will be required so once the project 427 00:19:51,569 --> 00:19:53,480 is started, which is scheduled 428 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,630 to start this year, then we'll find out what the total 429 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:57,720 price will be. 430 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,960 But we're moving forward with that project but we're much 431 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,759 further ahead with the four 432 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:04,759 and the downtown area. 433 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:08,079 We have no plans along this particular line yet but this 434 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:10,000 will be considered in the next 435 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,599 bond election and see if we can start implementing because 436 00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:16,279 this area, this neighborhood is growing 437 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:21,079 to here and there is a demand on this side too. 438 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:25,170 So that's where we're at and if you have any questions for 439 00:20:25,170 --> 00:20:26,640 the quiet zones. 440 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,200 So 350,000 is coming from the bond? 441 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Correct, that was the 2014 project. 442 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,329 I remember the same information that was presented to the 443 00:20:39,329 --> 00:20:41,839 bond commission and there was some 444 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:45,920 sort of like cone of silence thing. 445 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:52,490 Was that the horns that are actually at the intersection 446 00:20:52,490 --> 00:20:54,200 would create a-- 447 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,839 So this is the noise cone created. 448 00:20:57,839 --> 00:20:59,799 This probably is what you saw. 449 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,119 So this is how further the noise travels. 450 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,279 This is the rail and these are the four locations in the 451 00:21:05,279 --> 00:21:06,440 downtown area. 452 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,450 So when a train comes by all the way up to almost a city 453 00:21:12,450 --> 00:21:15,720 hall on this side and you get 454 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,240 up to Bradshaw on the other side. 455 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,109 That's how much further the noise travels but if you 456 00:21:22,109 --> 00:21:24,759 install supplemental measures, 457 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:27,359 the wayside horns are pretty small. 458 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,920 So this is how big the cones are for the wayside horns. 459 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,799 And they're only impacting stuff along these particular 460 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,279 streets which are mostly commercial, 461 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:42,279 nothing at nighttime. 462 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:45,279 Yes? 463 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:49,599 Does the positive train control have anything to do with 464 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:50,279 this? 465 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:51,880 Not necessarily the quiet zone. 466 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,470 Yeah, that is something they implement and it has every 467 00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:59,240 railroad track or every segment 468 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,980 they have a specific speed that they go by and I think 469 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:05,880 positive train control is associated 470 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,240 with the speed that they're traveling. 471 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,000 It has nothing to do at grade or the train horn. 472 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,539 This is per FRA requirement, Federal Railroad 473 00:22:15,539 --> 00:22:18,680 Administration requires every railroad to 474 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:24,190 do this no matter what kind of equipment or trains they're 475 00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:26,400 running for safety. 476 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,400 All right, any questions? 477 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,400 Any other questions? 478 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:39,079 I'm so spoiled because I live just far enough away that I 479 00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:42,400 can hear it in the distance and 480 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,619 I love the way it sounds but I also know I wouldn't like it 481 00:22:45,619 --> 00:22:47,119 if it were right outside 482 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,119 my window. 483 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,819 But I like that sound in the distance but that's the luxury 484 00:22:51,819 --> 00:22:52,119 . 485 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,119 It's in the distance for me. 486 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,119 It's at a distance, yeah. 487 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,119 You would still get the line on the west. 488 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,119 West of us, you would still hear. 489 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,119 Yeah, okay. 490 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,119 Because I can hear that. 491 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,119 I have, yeah. 492 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:06,329 Yeah, I think the event center here, the new one would not 493 00:23:06,329 --> 00:23:08,039 like that. 494 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,599 All right, any other questions? 495 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,160 All right, thank you for that one, Preetem. 496 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:23,400 We'll move on to 1D which is TSC 18-023. 497 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,940 Receive a report and a whole discussion on the fiber optic 498 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:28,680 communications master plan 499 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,440 for the city's traffic signal system. 500 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,759 All right. 501 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:38,359 Yeah, this is probably going to be a little bit technical 502 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,799 but I'll try to make it more-- 503 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:42,799 less technical. 504 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:47,130 So what happens is typically traffic signals, we have 505 00:23:47,130 --> 00:23:49,839 signals all over the city and it's 506 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,950 hard to see but if you zoom in into this map, all these 507 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,519 green dots are signalized intersections 508 00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:58,279 that we want to connect. 509 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:03,359 So the final goal for the city is to establish a traffic 510 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,640 management center where you have 511 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,150 one location that all these traffic signals are connected 512 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:13,519 to and someone sitting in that 513 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,529 management center can actually look at what's happening 514 00:24:16,529 --> 00:24:18,359 because they have cameras on each 515 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,779 of these intersections, then manipulate or make changes to 516 00:24:23,779 --> 00:24:26,519 the signal timing, whatever 517 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:31,230 direction is needed at time, remove time and at the same 518 00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:34,039 time, continuously monitor if 519 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,349 there is-- if there are incidents, if there is an accident, 520 00:24:37,349 --> 00:24:39,000 be able to provide more green 521 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,539 in those particular directions where the traffic is clogged 522 00:24:42,539 --> 00:24:42,720 . 523 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,440 So that's the ultimate goal. 524 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,670 That's the dream of getting a management center established 525 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:49,400 and getting the whole data back 526 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,200 to this one place. 527 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,599 Currently, we don't have that kind of capabilities. 528 00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:01,039 What we currently have, we have 121 intersections that are 529 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,119 signalized. 530 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,180 We can communicate and talk to about 80 signals in the city 531 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:09,119 and that's through radio communications. 532 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,740 So in radio communications, the amount of data that radio 533 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:17,319 can carry is limited and it's 534 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:18,579 slower. 535 00:25:18,579 --> 00:25:22,910 So if we start adding cameras and camera feedbacks, all 536 00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:25,839 those are going to need more bandwidth 537 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:27,079 and we don't have that. 538 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:32,559 The only way to achieve it reliably is to set up a fiber 539 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:33,880 network. 540 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,900 And so what happened is back in-- I think it was back in 541 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,400 2007, there was a grant-- call 542 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,730 for grant and we applied as a city and we received grant 543 00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:49,240 funding for creating a master 544 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,269 plan for our fiber network and the traffic management 545 00:25:52,269 --> 00:25:52,940 center. 546 00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:54,519 And this is part of the master plan. 547 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:59,450 It's laid out such that it is defined in different rings 548 00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:00,619 and loops. 549 00:26:00,619 --> 00:26:03,440 So if I cannot get the information through one loop, I will 550 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,740 get it through some other 551 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:06,259 loop that exists. 552 00:26:06,259 --> 00:26:09,039 So that's why it's designed that way. 553 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:12,519 And finally, we came up with the master plan. 554 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:16,059 Once we had the master plan, we had only enough funding 555 00:26:16,059 --> 00:26:17,920 remaining which is still a lot of 556 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,319 funding, $1.8 million. 557 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:24,519 But we had only enough to fund the first phase of the 558 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:25,559 project. 559 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:32,140 And the first phase was to connect along Bell Avenue to 560 00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:34,400 down Colorado. 561 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,329 So along Mingo, Bell, all the way down then come to the DC 562 00:26:39,329 --> 00:26:41,920 TA center, go along the DCTA 563 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,569 track, this is Colorado, connect to the loop because we 564 00:26:45,569 --> 00:26:47,640 felt that this area was way more 565 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,000 congested and needed more monitoring to begin with. 566 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,039 So connecting to the loop was important. 567 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:56,400 So we formed that connection. 568 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,329 And then there was another project that Textile was working 569 00:27:01,329 --> 00:27:02,960 on US 380. 570 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,720 So we asked them to install some conduits. 571 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,119 So the conduits already installed on US 380. 572 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000 So we'll be connected to that. 573 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,440 So this is the entire first phase. 574 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,769 And it's going to cost about $1.6 million to get this thing 575 00:27:17,769 --> 00:27:18,440 done. 576 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,569 So this is out to bid and we received bids and it's going 577 00:27:23,569 --> 00:27:26,160 to the city council for May 578 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,480 22nd for approval. 579 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,519 And hopefully right after that, we get the construction 580 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:32,220 started. 581 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:35,019 So once we get the phase one, we'll have all the major 582 00:27:35,019 --> 00:27:36,480 corridors, which is US 380 this 583 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,000 segment, loop 288 connected to one location. 584 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,839 And then we can slowly bring in Eagle, Oak and Hickory and 585 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:46,720 some of these outliers that 586 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,720 are further away. 587 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,759 We'll slowly get them connected. 588 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,440 But once these are connected with fiber, we can actually 589 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,200 monitor them remotely. 590 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,740 If there are any complaints or issues, we get a lot of 591 00:27:58,740 --> 00:28:00,599 complaints on signal timings 592 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,259 and signal not working right. 593 00:28:03,259 --> 00:28:07,839 We can actually reduce the amount of effort by an initial 594 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,759 step, just going out and checking 595 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:16,740 it at the management center at one location where the -- it 596 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:19,440 would be our servers that 597 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,519 are housed. 598 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,750 That's where we would check what's happening with those 599 00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:23,279 signals. 600 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:26,920 And if there is an anomaly, they can fix it right there and 601 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,519 then. 602 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,630 But if really someone needs to get out, then they will go 603 00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:31,079 out. 604 00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:34,109 Currently what happens is you get something, you have to go 605 00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:35,359 out and check it out. 606 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,319 Here we'll get the chance to perform a middle step and 607 00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:42,640 avoid if they have -- improve efficiency. 608 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,960 That's the primary goal. 609 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,799 So we're planning on getting this constructed in the next 610 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:51,559 six months. 611 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,099 I think once the council approves, we'll start the 612 00:28:55,099 --> 00:28:56,599 construction soon. 613 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,839 That's where we're at with this one. 614 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:01,839 Any questions? 615 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,839 >> Any questions, comments? 616 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:05,839 >> Comments. 617 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:06,839 >> All right. 618 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:07,839 That's easy. 619 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:08,839 >> That was easy. 620 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:09,839 >> Okay. 621 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:10,839 Thanks for -- 622 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,839 >> It was too technical, I know. 623 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:14,839 I'm just -- 624 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,839 >> My head is spinning. 625 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,839 All right. 626 00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:28,960 That gets us to item 1E, TSC 18-024, which is our staff 627 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,279 reports, including our matrix. 628 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,240 >> Okay. 629 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,559 Yeah, I think pretty much most of these items are still 630 00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:40,319 there. 631 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,519 I think they're still viable concerns. 632 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,839 And moving forward, we have a plan, like the small area 633 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:48,799 plan is going to address some of 634 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,240 these concerns. 635 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,720 And some of these, like, for example, Mingo Road and 636 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,319 sidewalks on Mingo, these are addressed 637 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,119 through larger projects. 638 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,680 We're currently working with city management to get these 639 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,359 in the -- either in the bond 640 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:09,470 program or somehow get them designed so that we can find 641 00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,359 funds through partnership with 642 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:12,359 TWU. 643 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:14,680 They have a golf course on the north side. 644 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,920 We're meeting them regularly. 645 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,319 They have a master plan, too. 646 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,140 I think -- I'm not sure if there is any particular one that 647 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:28,079 someone wants to talk about, but, 648 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:31,859 yeah, these sidewalks, missing sidewalk links, we are 649 00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:33,039 working on it. 650 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,759 For example, the McKinney sidewalk, it's on the -- it's in 651 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:38,680 design. 652 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,059 Actually, the design will be awarded May 22nd for the 2018 653 00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:45,680 sidewalk package. 654 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,640 It's included in that. 655 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,559 So once the design is complete, then we can construct it. 656 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,200 It's on the path. 657 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,200 Sidewalk and Calhoun -- 658 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,200 Can I ask about that one real quick? 659 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Yes. 660 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,480 Do you -- I think we talked about it last time. 661 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,400 Are there any other features part of the sidewalks? 662 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,400 Is it just sidewalks? 663 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Are there trees? 664 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Are there anything else? 665 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,400 I think we talked about this. 666 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,599 Currently, it is just sidewalk because that's the plan. 667 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:11,329 But I think long-term, for example, Elm and Locust, when we 668 00:31:11,329 --> 00:31:13,759 go through the process of 669 00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,869 getting it back from Tech Start and getting it redone, we 670 00:31:16,869 --> 00:31:18,680 are actually planning on going 671 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,180 through the process of what can be done, because there are 672 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:24,440 a couple things happening on there. 673 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,680 We're going through a drainage project, PEC 4, which gets a 674 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,720 lot of these properties out 675 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,619 of the floodplain. 676 00:31:34,619 --> 00:31:37,559 So that's why we're looking at complete streets along that 677 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:38,480 as part of that. 678 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,839 So this long-term, yes, we'll look at complete streets. 679 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:42,839 Yeah. 680 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:43,839 It's interesting. 681 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,440 Businesses are starting to move in on McKinney after a long 682 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:45,759 time. 683 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,940 There's a new taco place right across the street now that's 684 00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:50,519 opening, I guess, in a couple 685 00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:51,519 weeks. 686 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:58,079 So that's two businesses that have opened recently there. 687 00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:02,480 Any other particular one that -- or anything that needs to 688 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,480 be added? 689 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,599 Yes, so that one we looked at. 690 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,680 And one of the concerns -- it's a valid one. 691 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,440 It's currently under construction. 692 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,259 There are new crews moving in every day, moving along 693 00:32:15,259 --> 00:32:17,200 certain -- so I think they went through 694 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,160 sewer, water, and now streets is coming in. 695 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,029 So once streets comes in and paves, we'll have the new stri 696 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,039 ping put in. 697 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,650 At this point, when we're so close to ending the term for 698 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:30,720 the university, it doesn't make 699 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,680 sense to stripe something or put some markings and signage. 700 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,839 So we're waiting on streets to come in. 701 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,359 So it'll be probably a few months before we get there. 702 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,759 Sorry, it's just the timing. 703 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:43,880 We don't want to waste resources and then come back and 704 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,359 everyone's going to say, "Well, 705 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,839 you just put it in and you tore it up like next day." 706 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:50,839 We don't want to do that. 707 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,000 Especially on a highly visible area like that corner. 708 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,200 But we do agree that part of it shouldn't be parking. 709 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680 We've already talked to UNT about enforcing. 710 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,119 I sold some tickets. 711 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:06,210 We called them UNT and we need to start enforcing this 712 00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:07,319 facility. 713 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:08,319 Really? 714 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:09,319 Yeah. 715 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:10,319 Okay. 716 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,460 I did mention it to our parking folks, but I thought it was 717 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:16,480 a UNT area that they needed 718 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,480 to enforce. 719 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,480 But it was a city that could at least -- 720 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,480 But it was right down here. 721 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,480 They had a ticket there. 722 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,480 I saw the guy doing it. 723 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,480 And then further up, it's by parking from the fire plug. 724 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,480 They gave that person a ticket. 725 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,480 But it's spotty. 726 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,130 Yeah, they don't have enough staff to keep up with the area 727 00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:35,480 . 728 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,079 It's too big. 729 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:41,240 I think that fire hydrant at the corner of Frye and Hickory 730 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,279 , it's tough because it's 731 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,039 set back. 732 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,279 It's in the green area on the other side of the sidewalk. 733 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,279 And students aren't looking that far. 734 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:51,279 So it's the other fire plug. 735 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,279 They moved that one back. 736 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:55,279 Yeah. 737 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:56,640 And they're going to miss it. 738 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,410 While talking about that area, what's the status or the 739 00:34:00,410 --> 00:34:02,680 completion plan for Hickory? 740 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,160 When's that supposed to open back up? 741 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,720 And are they then going to work on it again? 742 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,119 I think the completion plan is 2019. 743 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,639 I can get you a date on that. 744 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:13,639 It's on the website. 745 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,840 But just even reopen Hickory right now between UNT and the 746 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,760 square. 747 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,039 So it's been closed for a while now. 748 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:22,599 UNT and square. 749 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,719 Yeah, so what's happening is there are different entities 750 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,000 working through it. 751 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,539 So Streets is working on the North Texas Boulevard side 752 00:34:30,539 --> 00:34:32,880 while they're wrapping up with sewer 753 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,880 and water on the other end near Carroll. 754 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,119 So that's why there's a UC construction all over in 755 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:41,800 different segments. 756 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,639 But actually the crews are moving in one at a time. 757 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,699 So one crew is going in doing water, then the next crew 758 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,199 goes in to sewer. 759 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,230 That's why there are certain segments closed in different 760 00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:55,360 locations because there are different 761 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,199 entities working in that area. 762 00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:59,199 I can get you a schedule. 763 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,420 And there are certain times that they will be closed and 764 00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:03,199 opened up. 765 00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,760 But we try and keep it open as much as possible. 766 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,199 It's a matter of safety. 767 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,079 And then is there going to be a repaint? 768 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:13,769 So the bike lane's kind of gone now that was put in because 769 00:35:13,769 --> 00:35:15,280 they tore it all up. 770 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,400 So the bike lane is gone. 771 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,320 And now the street looks worse than it did before. 772 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,559 So I mean, I've said this a million times. 773 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,199 I think it's the most important stretch. 774 00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,119 It connects our two urban areas. 775 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,679 So and it's been... 776 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,699 It's the growing pains and it gets worse before it can get 777 00:35:32,699 --> 00:35:33,360 better. 778 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,559 That's where we're at. 779 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,369 So is it, but after the, I know the sewer work and all that 780 00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:38,719 has to be done after that's 781 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,199 done then is it... 782 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:41,440 The street is coming right behind. 783 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,760 They started at North Texas. 784 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,070 So I think they're doing the first phase for streets right 785 00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:46,559 now. 786 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,619 So they'll pave and they come in and then they'll do the 787 00:35:50,619 --> 00:35:52,639 signs and markings all. 788 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,400 But there's no changes to the sidewalks during that one? 789 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,880 Is it just the street? 790 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,920 No, there'll be replacing... 791 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,760 It's on the maintenance side. 792 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,679 So they'll be replacing some of the panels which are broken 793 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:07,679 , some of the curb and gutter 794 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:08,679 which is broken. 795 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:12,769 So I think they have about 50% replacement as needed for 796 00:36:12,769 --> 00:36:14,920 maintenance, not putting in 797 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,360 any new... 798 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,530 If there are missing gaps that are really small, they'll do 799 00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:18,920 that. 800 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,739 But if there are longer gaps like one block, two block, 801 00:36:21,739 --> 00:36:23,360 three block, they won't do that 802 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,280 under the contract that they currently have. 803 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,510 But maintenance wise, they'll replace all the panels and 804 00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:30,599 driveways. 805 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:35,000 I think you're aware of that part. 806 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,639 I am aware of that part. 807 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,289 So I live on Oak Street and I've been meaning to commend 808 00:36:40,289 --> 00:36:42,760 you guys for sending out the actual 809 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,869 schedule for the road work on Hickory because otherwise you 810 00:36:45,869 --> 00:36:47,440 would have had a lot of pissed 811 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,519 off people calling. 812 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,159 But now we know exactly what to expect. 813 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:57,320 It's going to get way better. 814 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,840 We're working on the transparency and communication plan. 815 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,800 It looks like you're on schedule. 816 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,800 It is. 817 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,679 The street work already started on Hickory. 818 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:06,679 So yes. 819 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:07,679 And it looks good. 820 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,920 You're doing it one lane at a time. 821 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,440 Yes, they're slowly moving. 822 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,960 They have to keep the traffic moving. 823 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,019 They can't be. 824 00:37:15,019 --> 00:37:17,880 So it's kind of a slower process. 825 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,699 But the next part is the signal at Oak and Jaygo and Oak 826 00:37:21,699 --> 00:37:22,599 and Fry. 827 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:23,599 That's coming up. 828 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,800 I mentioned about it before, but that's coming up. 829 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,280 And you're putting in a pedestrian crossing. 830 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,280 Everything. 831 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,320 88 ramps, pedestrian crossings, everything. 832 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,679 And then I was getting back to the matrix. 833 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:41,559 Is Malone ever going to be drivable or should I just get an 834 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,159 SVA? 835 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:46,050 You want to schedule for when it's going to be reconstruct 836 00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:46,440 ed? 837 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,440 Yes. 838 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,639 I'm getting flat tires driving down Malone. 839 00:37:52,639 --> 00:38:01,440 It's been chewed up so much with sewage and things. 840 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,440 Well, Preetem has his pen out. 841 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,039 Does anybody else have anything to add to the matrix? 842 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,039 Cody? 843 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,039 Well, not necessarily to add. 844 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:09,039 I think some of it's already on there. 845 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:15,369 But I was asked by my neighbors to ask about the left turn 846 00:38:15,369 --> 00:38:18,800 lanes and timing for Old North 847 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,760 and Nottingham at University. 848 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,320 So Old North and... 849 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,320 Old North at US 380? 850 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,320 Yeah, 380. 851 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,480 And then also Nottingham at 380. 852 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,480 So we already have Old North and 380. 853 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,039 It's not currently under design, but it'll be under design 854 00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:42,079 pretty soon. 855 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,769 It's part of the small transportation projects that was 856 00:38:44,769 --> 00:38:45,840 approved by the city council, so 857 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,719 we have funding to put left turn lanes there. 858 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,929 So as a first stage, we're going to put the left turn lanes 859 00:38:51,929 --> 00:38:52,239 . 860 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,559 One of the concerns that was brought up is are we also 861 00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,639 adding protected left turns, like 862 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,599 the signal? 863 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,500 And that may or may not happen because currently the data 864 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,880 shows that there are very few left 865 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,880 turners. 866 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,420 The main concern is people that swing to the side last 867 00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:14,599 minute and try and go bypass the 868 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,789 person that's waiting for turning left because the left 869 00:39:17,789 --> 00:39:18,880 turn is shared. 870 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,679 So I think that's the concern. 871 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,500 Once you separate the two movements, you can clearly see 872 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:24,840 who is in the through lane and 873 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:25,840 who is in the left lane. 874 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,590 I think there's a third factor in that right now is the 875 00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:26,840 timing. 876 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:35,639 If you're turning left going east on 380, you're probably 877 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,519 going to be there for three 878 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:39,519 lights. 879 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,780 If there's anybody coming from the other side, because you 880 00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:44,519 have the hesitation of left turn 881 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,429 and left turn and then the people going straight and 882 00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:49,679 usually only about two cars from each 883 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,039 side get to go. 884 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,960 And that was the biggest thing for my neighbors. 885 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,519 I think we can fix the timing. 886 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,889 One of the things that's happening is we're re-timing the 887 00:40:01,889 --> 00:40:04,760 US 380 corridor as part of coordination 888 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,519 and that might be an issue that comes up. 889 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:15,119 So we have to fine tune the timings and we might have to 890 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:16,880 change it. 891 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880 Is there anything else? 892 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,880 I have one item. 893 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,920 I just like to always pick my favorite spots, the low 894 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,199 hanging fruit in the core of spots. 895 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:26,519 Sycamore and Wainwright. 896 00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:28,969 The new apartments were built there on Sycamore, I don't 897 00:40:28,969 --> 00:40:30,599 know, a year and a half, two years 898 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:31,760 ago maybe. 899 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,559 And so we have just that little spot where the sidewalk 900 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:36,079 ends and it's only about 10 feet 901 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,159 to have a continuous sidewalk all the way. 902 00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,750 It would be a pretty good stretch and so I was thinking 903 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:42,400 that. 904 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,400 And I don't know what the... 905 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,400 Do you know the address? 906 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,400 Sycamore and Wainwright. 907 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,719 What side of Sycamore or is it on Wainwright? 908 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,599 It's on the opposite side of the church. 909 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:53,079 So right, it would be on Sycamore. 910 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:54,079 On Sycamore? 911 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,840 I could look at the address of these apartments. 912 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,949 It's right where they built the new parking lot for the 913 00:41:00,949 --> 00:41:02,320 church right there. 914 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,730 It's on the other side of the street towards those 915 00:41:03,730 --> 00:41:04,239 apartments. 916 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,239 I've got it pulled up here. 917 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,239 Missing site. 918 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,239 Let's see. 919 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,269 I don't know what the actual address would be because there 920 00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:13,039 's no building at that corner. 921 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,480 You've got a 412 Wainwright up there. 922 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,480 Is that...right here it is. 923 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,480 Let's see. 924 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,480 Yeah. 925 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,480 I think that's... 926 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,480 It's on the other side of Sycamore. 927 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,480 Yeah. 928 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,480 That's 414. 929 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,480 Is it? 930 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,480 Let's see. 931 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,480 Right there. 932 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,480 Maybe. 933 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,480 No, that's a good one. 934 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,519 I mean, we can definitely... 935 00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:37,739 It's just a simple one and then the sidewalk will be 936 00:41:37,739 --> 00:41:41,480 connected all the way through to Locust. 937 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480 Definitely. 938 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,480 Okay. 939 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:53,480 Does anyone else have anything to add? 940 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,480 Are we good? 941 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,480 Okay. 942 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480 Do we have any concluding items? 943 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,480 Yes. 944 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,079 We just...Trey's gonna help me with that. 945 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,619 We just found out today...was it today or yesterday we got 946 00:42:08,619 --> 00:42:09,480 the email? 947 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,480 We got today. 948 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,480 Yeah. 949 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,719 From Nancy. 950 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,639 She has resigned as of today from the post of commissioners 951 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:18,440 ...commission. 952 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,440 She is no longer in the committee. 953 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,440 That was a choice. 954 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,940 She's retiring apparently, so she wants to retire 955 00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:27,360 completely. 956 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,320 So we're...how do we move forward? 957 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,320 That's the question for Trey as far as the members. 958 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,349 We'll go through the city secretary and have council nom 959 00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:40,119 inate for Blake. 960 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:43,679 So we'll bring forward the process and what happens and we 961 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:45,000 'll go from there. 962 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,219 So should we consider nomination or the city council will 963 00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:50,280 nominate? 964 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,320 I should also point out that either this or next month will 965 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,280 be my last meeting. 966 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,760 I've already spoken to Keely about it. 967 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,579 And she's also appointing someone else because we'll be 968 00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:03,599 leaving Denton. 969 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:04,599 Oh, wow. 970 00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:05,599 Okay. 971 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,599 Unfortunately. 972 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:10,800 And so those will both be district specific then, right? 973 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,800 So the appointed by their councilor. 974 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,280 Yeah, I think Keely already has someone in mind. 975 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,420 She asked me to kind of give them the rundown of what goes 976 00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:19,960 on. 977 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,400 When is the new council going to be sworn in? 978 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,400 Next week. 979 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,400 Next week. 980 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,400 But we have a runoff, correct? 981 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,400 There will be a runoff. 982 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,400 I believe that's correct. 983 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,400 Yeah. 984 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,590 June 16th is when the next runoff happens for that new 985 00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:37,480 member. 986 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,599 Another one would be added. 987 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:41,880 So we don't want to necessarily take care of all the empty 988 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,599 seats until after June 16th. 989 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,039 And so what are the two, so it's district two. 990 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:49,039 Is that right? 991 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,039 And then what was Nancy's district? 992 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,039 I don't know. 993 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,239 Yeah, we'll have to look at it. 994 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,239 We're sorry. 995 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,239 No, it's okay. 996 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,179 We're interested and then we can maybe recommend people to 997 00:44:01,179 --> 00:44:09,199 those counselors who might be interested. 998 00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:10,400 Do a process elimination. 999 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,400 I'm district one. 1000 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,400 Are you? 1001 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,400 Three. 1002 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,400 I'm place six, which is that large. 1003 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,400 Okay. 1004 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,400 Then four. 1005 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,400 I'm two, so that's five. 1006 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,400 Yeah. 1007 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,400 That seems probably right. 1008 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,400 Yeah. 1009 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,400 Okay. 1010 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:50,000 If that is it, we will call ourselves finished at 617. 1011 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:50,320 Thank you. 1012 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:26,400 [ Silence ]