WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.879 >> Good evening and welcome to the Monday, April 2nd in the 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:09.439 2018 meeting of the Traffic 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:11.199 Safety Commission. 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:16.679 The first item, we have a quorum and it's 532. 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:22.269 First item in our agenda is 1A, items for consideration, T 00:00:22.269 --> 00:00:26.199 SC 18-013 which is to consider 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:29.640 the approval of the Traffic Safety Commission meetings of 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:31.800 February 5th, 2018. 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:36.960 Has everybody had a chance to take a look at the minutes? 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.960 Are there any corrections? 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.679 Is there a motion for approval? 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:45.159 I'll move. 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:46.159 >> Second. 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:47.159 >> All right. 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:48.159 Everyone in agreement? 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:49.159 Yes. 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:50.159 >> Yep. 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:51.159 >> Okay. 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:59.850 So, items for consideration 1B, TSC 18-014 is to receive a 00:00:59.850 --> 00:01:02.039 report and hold a discussion 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.879 on a local transportation project advance funding agreement 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.200 for a congestion mitigation 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:12.560 and air quality improvement project. 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.239 >> Good evening, everyone. 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:21.890 My name is Preet Tamdeshmukh, traffic engineer for the city 00:01:21.890 --> 00:01:25.959 and there are quite a few agreements 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.579 that we're going through but the first one is item B and 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:32.359 back in-- I'll start with opening 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:39.379 up a nice map here but back in 2015, the city received 00:01:39.379 --> 00:01:43.680 funding from congestion mitigation 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:48.599 and air quality portion from the COG and this funding was 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.519 primarily to provide sidewalks 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.359 near elementary schools, Wilson Elementary was one and then 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.799 the other one is Pecan Elementary, 00:01:57.799 --> 00:01:59.840 Long Swisher there. 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.719 So these two areas were identified and the sidewalks were 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.319 identified back in 2015. 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:11.020 When we went back to ask for funding, COG apparently had 00:02:11.020 --> 00:02:13.879 over committed funds to everyone 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.729 last few years so they moved these-- after we gave them 00:02:17.729 --> 00:02:20.039 permission, they moved these 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:25.229 projects further along to fiscal year 2018 and now they 00:02:25.229 --> 00:02:27.759 have come back and they said, 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:29.840 "Okay, now we have the money. 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.340 This is a good time to move forward and get the agreements 00:02:33.340 --> 00:02:34.199 in place." 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.430 Once the agreements are in place and signed by both parties 00:02:37.430 --> 00:02:38.919 , then we'll get the money 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.280 allocated, we can start begin design and construction. 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:48.590 The total schedule for this project is approximately 12 00:02:48.590 --> 00:02:52.000 months for both design as well as-- I'm 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.039 sorry, it's two years. 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.330 There is some environmental assessment also required and 00:02:57.330 --> 00:02:59.000 right of way acquisition. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.930 So we're going to begin design once the agreement goes 00:03:02.930 --> 00:03:05.460 through council and approval. 00:03:05.460 --> 00:03:10.840 This item was already taken to council in a meeting on 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.639 March 20th and it was approved. 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:18.439 This is more of an informational item. 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.479 This item was originally presented to Traffic Safety 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.479 Committee as well as Mobility back 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:28.719 in 2014 when we first were funded for this project. 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.479 So the committee was aware of this project but this is just 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:33.120 more information that we're 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:38.039 now starting and moving forward with the project. 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:43.560 And this is the first-- we have about five short segments 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.319 close to Wilson Elementary 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.159 and then one big segment along with the Conn Elementary. 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.560 And as you know, this neighborhood back here is growing. 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.639 This is already under construction. 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.419 So this particular sidewalk becomes an important missing 00:03:59.419 --> 00:04:02.039 link that really needs to happen sooner 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.039 than later. 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:05.039 Any questions on this? 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:06.039 >> We have one question. 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:12.039 If-- I'm not sure if the bond package was approved or not 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.039 but there's supposed to be 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:21.439 one to replace Wilson Elementary like within the next year. 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:22.439 >> Replace the entire school? 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:25.670 >> Yeah, yeah, like several elementary schools I think are 00:04:25.670 --> 00:04:27.959 -- and Wilson is one of them. 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:31.000 So how will that affect this? 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.939 >> As far as we know, DISD have communicated this with them 00:04:34.939 --> 00:04:36.680 and they don't think that the 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:40.519 whole elementary school will be replaced. 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:45.480 It may be reused for some other school or other facilities 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:47.199 but that sidewalk need would 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:48.199 remain irrespective. 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:53.709 So yes, and I think the bond program is going to happen in 00:04:53.709 --> 00:04:54.480 May. 00:04:54.480 --> 00:05:01.959 I'm not 100% sure but they are going for bond money in May. 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:02.959 >> I have a question. 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:07.600 What is the environmental assessment that has to be done? 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:12.529 >> A lot of times if some of these sidewalks are within 00:05:12.529 --> 00:05:15.639 water features or any creeks, we 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.610 don't know what's in this particular area especially behind 00:05:19.610 --> 00:05:20.639 the school. 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.680 If there are any drainage, flood plains, creeks, then we 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:25.480 have to go through assessment. 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:29.360 Other than that, the ones on Wilson, I don't think there 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.560 are any major issues that we can 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:32.560 see. 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.560 >> I was wondering a thing over there. 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.600 >> Unless it's water within close to a water feature, we 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:39.560 don't need to. 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:40.560 >> OK. 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.759 >> Are these the five foot or the eight foot sidewalks? 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.040 >> These are five foot sidewalks. 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.560 >> Anything else? 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.959 >> Anybody else have any questions on this one? 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:54.959 OK. 00:05:54.959 --> 00:06:01.180 Well then we can move on to item C, 1C, TSC 18-015 to 00:06:01.180 --> 00:06:04.920 receive a report and hold a discussion 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.740 on an advanced funding agreement for a transportation 00:06:08.740 --> 00:06:12.720 alternative set aside program project, construction 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.699 of sidewalks for the Jennings and Lee Elementary School 00:06:15.699 --> 00:06:18.680 areas with the Texas Department of Transportation. 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.639 >> That's a mouthful name, right? 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:24.439 Transportation set aside. 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:25.639 Yes. 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:33.069 So this particular transportation set aside call came in 00:06:33.069 --> 00:06:37.000 December of 2016. 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:43.649 It opened and we were selected last year to get funded for 00:06:43.649 --> 00:06:46.000 three projects. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.009 They're actually-- Safe Routes to School is one and the 00:06:50.009 --> 00:06:52.360 next item has two projects. 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:57.209 So we got money for Safe Routes to School program and there 00:06:57.209 --> 00:06:59.639 are two elementary schools 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:04.389 and we've identified the sidewalks that will be funded by 00:07:04.389 --> 00:07:06.839 this particular program. 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:11.000 Under this program, we got funding for almost $1 million 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.000 out of which we had a local match 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.720 or a local government match of $190,000. 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:23.199 So for $200,000, we got a million dollars worth of work. 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.959 We're going to add sidewalks near Jennings the first or Jen 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.360 nings the first elementary 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.079 school on Stewart Road. 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.560 Stewart Road does not have any sidewalks. 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.459 It has really very little in front of the school itself but 00:07:39.459 --> 00:07:41.040 for the rest of the stretch 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.600 between Windsor and Sun Valley, there are no sidewalks. 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:49.360 And this-- under this project, they will be designed and 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.279 implemented five foot sidewalks 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:54.199 on either side of Stewart. 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:58.129 And if you look at the existing sidewalk connections, you 00:07:58.129 --> 00:08:00.319 'll see there's a-- 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:05.240 there are sidewalks along Windsor and there are sidewalks 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.120 some around this area 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:08.519 but Stewart doesn't have anything. 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:10.079 It's a straight shot connection. 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.259 So it will provide that. 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:14.079 This is the first school. 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:19.389 The second is the Lee Elementary School and that we are 00:08:19.389 --> 00:08:22.639 adding sidewalks along two streets. 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:27.740 One is Audre Lane between-- just north of Latimore and Aud 00:08:27.740 --> 00:08:28.720 re Lane again. 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:30.439 It becomes an Audre Lane. 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.440 And then on Mulkey which is between Paisley and just north 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:36.799 of Oak Tree. 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:42.539 So these are the segments that are missing and if you look 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:43.480 at the missing links, 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:45.919 there are-- there's a neighborhood here. 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.789 A lot of kids actually walk on the street and in here, you 00:08:50.789 --> 00:08:53.080 can see along Audre Lane, 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:57.230 there's a path, a clear path on the-- in the parkway area 00:08:57.230 --> 00:08:58.120 in the grass. 00:08:58.120 --> 00:08:59.799 They can see kids walking to school. 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:05.110 So these are really required sidewalk projects that the 00:09:05.110 --> 00:09:07.200 city has identified 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.679 and have been funded through COG. 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.600 These are federal dollars that are coming in and that's why 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.000 we'll have to go 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:21.909 through all the funding federal project execution 00:09:21.909 --> 00:09:23.879 requirements per se. 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.000 And this is a 15-month project. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.289 We'll need some right of way, some locations and design and 00:09:30.289 --> 00:09:31.639 construction. 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.399 Any questions? 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:41.159 >> I'm just super happy to see all the sidewalks going in. 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:41.879 >> Yes. 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:51.659 >> Yeah. Okay, that brings us to 1D, TSC 18-016 which is to 00:09:51.659 --> 00:09:52.919 receive a report 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.279 and hold the discussion on an advanced funding agreement 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:00.600 for a transportation alternative set-aside program project, 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:05.029 construction of multi-use side path on Sycamore Street and 00:10:05.029 --> 00:10:07.120 bike lanes on Well Street 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.220 with the Texas Department of Transportation for receiving 00:10:11.220 --> 00:10:12.679 federal funding. 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.870 >> Okay. This is the second project that the city secured 00:10:16.870 --> 00:10:18.159 funding for 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.159 and these two are bike projects. 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:27.009 There is a multi-use side path, 10-foot wide side path 00:10:27.009 --> 00:10:28.279 along Sycamore 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:32.080 and the primary reason for this particular side path is 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:37.730 to connect the existing DCTA Transit Center here, Denton 00:10:37.730 --> 00:10:41.440 Downtown Transit Center with UNT. 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.549 And the sidewalk will be constructed on the north side of 00:10:45.549 --> 00:10:46.600 Sycamore. 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.200 There are certain locations that will require, 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.120 I think there's a new signal, traffic signal at Carroll 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.120 that will be required as part of this 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.000 and it will be put in. 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:00.720 City has separate funding for that. 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.570 It couldn't be part of this particular project but that's 00:11:04.570 --> 00:11:06.279 one thing 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.850 and then we are currently working with the railroad to put 00:11:09.850 --> 00:11:11.399 in a better crossing. 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.120 I think the crossing is pretty, in pretty bad shape as far 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:16.639 as the pavement is concerned. 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:23.029 So we're going ahead with Union Pacific having them upgrade 00:11:23.029 --> 00:11:25.679 the railroad crossings 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:31.190 and also add more feet, I mean more about 8 to 10 feet on 00:11:31.190 --> 00:11:33.080 the north side extra 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.629 so that we can actually have that as part of the side path 00:11:36.629 --> 00:11:38.919 when we go with this project. 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:43.000 The second project is adding bike lanes on Welch between 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.639 Eagle and Hickory. 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.139 That project is a-- people don't like this term but it's a 00:11:48.139 --> 00:11:48.799 road diet 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:54.789 where the four lane Welch Street will be graded down, not 00:11:54.789 --> 00:11:56.679 graded down but it will be reduced 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.370 to one lane each direction and a center tunnel lane with 00:12:00.370 --> 00:12:01.679 bike lanes on both sides, 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.840 something similar to what we did on Eagle. 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:09.649 And this particular segment has low volume, speed is not 00:12:09.649 --> 00:12:10.919 super high. 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:14.490 There are several crossings and crosswalks in between 00:12:14.490 --> 00:12:15.799 students crossing. 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:20.269 So this is an ideal place to put in bike lanes especially 00:12:20.269 --> 00:12:22.000 the bike lanes will connect 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.570 to existing bike lanes on Eagle and the future bike lanes 00:12:26.570 --> 00:12:27.080 on Hickory. 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.789 They're-- The bike lanes on Hickory will be completed after 00:12:29.789 --> 00:12:31.679 the construction is done so. 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.039 And the total amount for the project is almost a million 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:40.840 dollars, $989,000 of which we city match 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.039 is $190,000. 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:47.659 This is slightly a longer project as far as design right of 00:12:47.659 --> 00:12:48.960 way and implementation. 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.360 It's a 20-month project. 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:55.980 So once we get these agreements signed and get it moving 00:12:55.980 --> 00:12:57.320 approximately 20 months later, 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.200 we'll have everything complete. 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:01.519 Any questions? 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:04.399 >> I had a question about the Sycamore. 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.730 You're going to be putting in a new traffic signal on 00:13:06.730 --> 00:13:07.320 Carroll? 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:08.600 >> Correct. 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.039 >> I've always wondered why Mulberry is not the route for 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:12.360 the-- 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.559 I think it was in the bike mobility plan. 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.149 I think this little strip of Sycamore was in that plan and 00:13:19.149 --> 00:13:19.720 I always wondered 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:23.450 why Mulberry wasn't the choice since there's always already 00:13:23.450 --> 00:13:24.539 a light there. 00:13:24.539 --> 00:13:29.759 >> Yeah. So the light at Mulberry is not warranted. 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.659 It's been there for a while and we went through a bunch of 00:13:32.659 --> 00:13:33.799 work analysis 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.440 and the actual light is not warranted at Mulberry. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.080 So we were in the process of removing that. 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.840 >> Oh, okay. 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:45.730 >> So-- and some funds were allocated to replace it because 00:13:45.730 --> 00:13:47.240 it was aging old. 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:50.879 So once we started looking of all these different things, 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.360 we decided that it was a better idea 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:57.039 to remove it from that particular location and put it on Sy 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:58.240 camore where we-- 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.679 and I'm trying to pull the map just because I want to show 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.320 the connectivity here. 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:13.320 If you look at Sycamore, Mulberry ends at Bell and does not 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.320 go across the tracks. 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.360 Whereas Sycamore actually gives an access across the track. 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.600 There is connections-- let's go down here. 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:28.320 There are connections on this side where you can actually-- 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:30.340 all these transit buses are here. 00:14:30.340 --> 00:14:33.720 You can actually connect here and then take it down all the 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:34.519 way this way. 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:38.360 As opposed to Mulberry, it would be another issue to take 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:39.440 them across. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:40.639 This is private property. 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.639 We can't really get into it. 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:44.039 >> Oh, right. 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:45.679 That's Boca 31. 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:47.240 >> Yes, right by Boca. 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:47.879 And-- 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:50.679 >> The visual arts center is private? 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.200 The visual arts center is private? 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:55.759 >> Good question. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:59.320 I do not know the answer to that one. 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:02.360 >> Yeah, it is the access to the visual arts center. 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:06.710 But I think this trip would be an issue because this is the 00:15:06.710 --> 00:15:09.720 lay yard for Union Pacific 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.539 and we've been working with them to clean it up for a while 00:15:12.539 --> 00:15:12.740 . 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:16.080 But to get access through this would be-- 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:16.639 >> Oh, okay. 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.970 >> Yeah, would take years and maybe not even achieve what 00:15:20.970 --> 00:15:21.419 we-- 00:15:21.419 --> 00:15:23.279 >> Well, as long as you're taking out the light on Mulberry 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.440 because I don't think people are going to tolerate lights 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:26.759 at-- 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:27.039 >> No. 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.080 >> Congress, Oak, Hickory, Sycamore and Mulberry. 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.399 I'll just run them. 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.080 >> Yes, Mulberry light is going to come off. 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.480 >> Okay. 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.080 >> So I have questions about the side path. 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:48.960 Is this the first side path that Denton will have? 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:54.120 >> Most likely it will go in as the first one. 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.559 But there-- oh, actually there's one under construction at 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:58.320 Mayhill. 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.360 Mayhill has a 10 foot side path on one side. 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:01.879 >> Okay. 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.519 >> The new section and then a 5 foot sidewalk on one side. 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:05.600 >> Okay. 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.200 >> So they've taken out bike facilities from within the 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.080 actual pavement area and put them 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:16.120 on the side paths which is much more safer than riding near 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.919 traffic that's 40, 45 miles an hour. 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:23.330 So that's one I think McKinney new segment that we're 00:16:23.330 --> 00:16:23.799 designing. 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:25.679 It would have similar side path. 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:26.240 >> Okay. 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.720 >> 380, we got funding from COG on that one. 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:36.710 That project is a little ways away but 380 between Mayhill 00:16:36.710 --> 00:16:39.320 and all the way to-- 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.039 what's that area called? 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.240 The park, the Greenbelt. 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.440 So from Mayhill all the way to Greenbelt north side, 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.960 there will be a side path that we're secured funding for. 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.200 So there are several coming on board but the timing is that 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:56.559 we're-- 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.200 I think Mayhill would be the first one. 00:16:58.200 --> 00:16:59.720 This will come after that. 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.960 >> So this will be the first retrofitted side-- 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:02.360 >> Yes. 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:03.200 >> Side path and then-- 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:03.759 >> Correct. 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.700 >> Okay. And so with 10 feet, is it anticipated that will 00:17:07.700 --> 00:17:09.759 it have two-way bike traffic 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.559 on that single side path then? 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:12.200 >> Correct. 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:13.279 >> Okay. 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:14.799 >> It will be marked that way. 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.799 It will have a dividing yellow line. 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:19.599 >> Okay. 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.200 >> When do we start on Welch with this? 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:28.200 >> When do we start on Welch with the project? 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:29.200 >> Yeah. 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.279 >> Yeah. It's-- as we said, once the agreements are done, 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.279 we'll get the design completed. 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:38.750 So it will start at the-- the design will start at the same 00:17:38.750 --> 00:17:40.079 time as Sycamore. 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:46.089 So most likely Welch will go in first because it's more 00:17:46.089 --> 00:17:46.559 paint 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:50.200 on the pavement as opposed to actual construction. 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:56.420 So it would be a project that would go in later this year 00:17:56.420 --> 00:17:58.319 or early next year. 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.640 And then Sycamore will follow. 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.960 >> And what do you plan on finishing off Hickory? 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:05.839 >> That's a good question. 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:08.920 I don't have the schedule for Hickory but it's online 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:09.599 somewhere. 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:15.269 And I think it should be done end of this year or early 00:18:15.269 --> 00:18:16.799 next year. 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.000 [ Pause ] 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.440 >> I can check that. 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:22.680 >> I'll be happy to do it in the end. 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.240 >> Yes. We'll find out the schedule for Hickory Street. 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:28.400 >> It's all for Karen's question. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:30.880 >> Okay. Thank you. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.559 So if this side path works well and Sycamore, are there 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:35.000 other-- 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.519 do you have other areas that you might be thinking about 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:40.440 retrofitting in the core? 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:41.319 >> That's a good question. 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.000 We're working on updating our bike plan. 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.880 We secured funding from last fiscal. 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.880 So start of '18-'19 we got funded for an amount of 40 or $ 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.039 50,000 for a bike plan update. 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.680 So we're going through a process firing consultant. 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.980 But what we're looking at is we're looking at a total 00:19:03.980 --> 00:19:05.839 mobility plan update 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:07.759 which will have different components. 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.920 Currently we don't have a thrower plan, a bike plan, a 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:11.880 pedestrian plan. 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.599 We don't have them as separate entities. 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:15.960 They need to be separate. 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.500 So we're going through a process of identifying and 00:19:18.500 --> 00:19:20.400 selecting consultants. 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.319 Once we have them on board then we'll start updating. 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.430 But definitely we want to look at more side paths, more 00:19:27.430 --> 00:19:29.319 side path projects, yes. 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.359 >> Okay. All right. 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.680 Any other questions about this item? 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:38.359 All right. 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:43.200 We'll move on to another long label here. 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:50.420 Item 1E, TSC 18-017, receive a report, hold discussion and 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:52.079 make a recommendation 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.039 to city council for approval of the termination agreement 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:58.559 for first precinct bike lanes 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:03.089 and approval of an interlocal cooperation agreement between 00:20:03.089 --> 00:20:04.640 the city of Denton 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:09.259 and Denton County, Texas related to the engineering and 00:20:09.259 --> 00:20:10.319 construction 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:15.200 of bicycle facility along Hercules Lane between Loca Street 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:16.640 and Sherman Drive 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.160 within the municipal limits of the city 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:24.079 and Denton County Commissioner Precinct Number 1, period. 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:31.759 Sorry about the title but it has to be that long. 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:35.759 Yeah, this project actually started way back in 2011. 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:41.279 November of 2011 we first executed the-- we first got 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.559 approved through the ordinance 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.359 and executed the previous version of this particular 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:46.160 agreement. 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:52.150 We got funding from Denton County Commissioner Precinct 1 00:20:52.150 --> 00:20:53.559 for bike facility 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:55.599 within that particular precinct. 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.920 And back in the day we identified a project. 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:05.960 It was along Pennsylvania Avenue in Southridge neighborhood 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:06.000 . 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:10.619 And when residents found out about it, they were completely 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:11.079 opposed 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:12.160 to that particular project. 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:14.930 They did not want any bicycle facilities running through 00:21:14.930 --> 00:21:16.000 their neighborhood. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:21.990 So then that project was shelved and then we held on to the 00:21:21.990 --> 00:21:23.640 agreement. 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.200 We never received any money from the county all these years 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:26.200 . 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.200 So we held on to the agreement. 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.400 We had to go back, re-identify other projects. 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:35.279 So we came back with Hercules Lane and the county agreed, 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:38.359 okay let's move forward with this particular one. 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.079 So what we have to do is since the agreement was signed for 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:43.039 one particular project, 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.950 we have to cancel the original existing agreement and then 00:21:46.950 --> 00:21:48.599 we have to sign the new one 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:50.880 with this Hercules Lane project. 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.920 And that's the item in front of you today. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:57.720 We're going to get $50,000 from the county and our match is 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.119 going to be $50,000. 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.759 Our match is coming from our bike fund which typically we 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.759 get $200,000 every year. 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.799 So $50,000 won't be a big deal. 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.720 And given that there's a lot of development going on in 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.440 this particular area on the north side, 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.859 Hercules Lane is in some portions it's a wide street, some 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:20.720 parts it's narrow. 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:25.769 So we're working on working with developers to make the 00:22:25.769 --> 00:22:27.759 other halves whole 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:30.759 but at the same time we need some kind of bike facility. 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:35.400 So based on the money that we received, we will come up 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.799 with a plan to-- 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.480 we'll come up with a design to put in bike facility along 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.079 this particular stretch of Hercules. 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.960 And I think that's it. 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:52.099 We request that you recommend a council approval of the 00:22:52.099 --> 00:22:54.160 termination agreement 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:57.440 and council approval of the new agreement. 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.799 The length of the project is going to be 12 months. 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:05.359 Any questions? 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:09.240 >> Are there sidewalks along that whole route? 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:12.039 >> That's a good question we can find out but-- 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:35.619 >> Yes, it appears that on the south side fairly and then 00:23:35.619 --> 00:23:37.200 it's a mix and match, 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.279 some of them don't have on the south. 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:40.400 >> Right. 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.430 >> But up until Stewart and then this side, I think this 00:23:44.430 --> 00:23:46.319 development will play a big role 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:50.460 but once it goes in we'll get the right way that's needed 00:23:50.460 --> 00:23:52.000 to go all the way. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.259 So most likely it may happen that if we're waiting for this 00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:58.079 developer there will be some compromise 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.960 and what goes in here we may have to look at, you know, 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.480 restricting parking on one side 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.460 and doing some creative thinking there until the 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:06.960 development goes in. 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.349 And then the rest of them we can put in, definitely this 00:24:11.349 --> 00:24:13.440 section we can put in bike lanes. 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.200 Yeah, the section that's developed has sidewalks. 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:20.480 >> Okay. 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:22.400 >> Yes. 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.480 >> How do they defend bicycle facility? 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:33.529 >> It's either a bike lane, a shared, share or shared use 00:24:33.529 --> 00:24:36.400 lane which means it has markings 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.380 on the pavement saying that this is a share or that's also 00:24:39.380 --> 00:24:40.480 a bike facility. 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:46.200 It could be an off street bicycle multi-use trail. 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.200 So those are the different types of facilities. 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.299 >> So would this not be a candidate for a share path or you 00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:58.079 just don't know yet which-- 00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.799 >> Exactly, that's what it is. 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:01.680 It could be a combination of everything. 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.000 >> Okay. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.660 >> It could be some locations we will put in a lane and 00:25:05.660 --> 00:25:06.680 then it transitions 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.839 into a share row and then continues. 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:13.460 Until these developments come in and we develop, it'll be a 00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:13.799 -- 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:17.470 that's the toughest part is these developments need to come 00:25:17.470 --> 00:25:17.920 in. 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.359 >> Okay, what are those that have parcels zoned? 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.359 >> These? 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:23.799 >> The undeveloped parcels. 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:24.680 >> That's a good question. 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.640 I do not know. 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.680 >> Sorry, what was the question? 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.190 >> What are the-- what is the zoning for the missing parc 00:25:31.190 --> 00:25:31.599 els? 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:36.130 >> Right, because that kind of dictate what type of bike 00:25:36.130 --> 00:25:39.440 facilities would be best. 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.160 >> Let's find out. 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.720 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:46.799 >> Are they? 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:47.279 >> Oh. 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.000 >> Okay. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.680 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:52.319 >> Oh, okay. 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.519 >> The ones over by Sherman. 00:25:54.519 --> 00:26:09.079 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:10.599 >> There's a sign there that says commercial. 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.240 >> This is commercial. 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:41.799 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.920 >> The number of questions that they ask. 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.599 Yeah, I'm trying to pull up a zoning map which the city 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.640 website, internal website has it. 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:25.240 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.119 >> NR6. 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.920 >> Oh, okay. 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:36.319 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.920 >> And a little pocket of NR3 in there. 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:41.960 >> Okay, but that's all-- 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.960 >> NR6, NR3 here. 00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:45.119 >> And an NR2. 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:45.720 >> NR2. 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.519 >> That one. 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:48.440 Yeah, that one. 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.440 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.599 >> Yeah, and they won't stay there. 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.140 >> Yeah, I just didn't know where the commercial began, so 00:27:56.140 --> 00:27:57.240 this is all. 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.519 >> Okay. 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:07.400 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:08.920 >> Okay, any other question? 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:10.960 Maybe that was just for my own amusement. 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.759 I'm sorry, pretend. 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:13.880 >> That's okay. 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.400 That's okay. 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.910 >> Okay, does anybody else have any other questions about 00:28:18.910 --> 00:28:22.920 this motion for approve-- 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.640 recommend approval to city council? 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.240 >> So moved. 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:32.960 >> Second. 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.640 >> Everyone in favor? 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:35.000 >> Aye. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.039 >> All right, passed unanimously. 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:45.319 >> Okay, next we have 1F, TSC 18-018 to receive a report 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.210 and hold a discussion regarding pavement art and its use as 00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:52.039 a traffic calming technique. 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.839 >> This is a very interesting topic. 00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:01.130 This was brought up and requested by Council Member Begheri 00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:01.519 in one 00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.880 of the mobility meetings, mobility committee meetings. 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:10.220 And she had seen some use and she wanted to find out what's 00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:11.400 going on, 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.880 what is exactly-- what does this entail? 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.470 So we kind of did some research and what exactly is traffic 00:29:18.470 --> 00:29:19.279 calming art? 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:20.960 So what's the concept? 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.640 The concept primarily is three-dimensional objects painted 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.000 on the pavement 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.839 that typically drivers react to. 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.690 And it's based on their initial perception and based on 00:29:35.690 --> 00:29:37.160 that, they slow down. 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.160 So that's-- when they react to their initial perception, 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:41.720 they slow down. 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.720 That's how traffic calming is achieved with the element of 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.519 surprise and the novelty factor. 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:55.599 So what are the pros of putting in art? 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.960 And this is a pretty decent picture here. 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.759 It helps you slow down. 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.279 It can be installed really quickly. 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.160 It's a low-cost alternative. 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.630 And then it's initially effective in reducing the speed, 00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:15.039 but later on, you can educate people. 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:17.440 So those are the pros. 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.000 There are definitely cons to this. 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.240 And this is something-- it's a con. 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.680 You shouldn't be putting that on the pavement. 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.759 Yeah, I wouldn't do that. 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.029 But it's a very temporary solution, the reason being if you 00:30:33.029 --> 00:30:34.279 're spending a few hundred 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.720 or a few thousand dollars to put it in, it won't last you 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.240 more than a year, 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:43.259 year and a half at the most given the Texas temperature and 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:44.720 especially northern Texas, 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.569 our temperature variations, the rain and everything 00:30:48.569 --> 00:30:49.559 together. 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.720 Typically, pavement markings don't go beyond two years. 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.049 If you're talking art, it'd probably go a year and a half 00:30:56.049 --> 00:30:57.000 at the most. 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.759 It's a very short lifespan. 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.920 It's ineffective-- same thing that I talked. 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.240 And then nighttime, there is an issue with visibility. 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.750 It won't show up if the street is-- or that particular 00:31:10.750 --> 00:31:12.559 portion is not lighted up. 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.210 And then the main concern that we have is it does not 00:31:16.210 --> 00:31:18.920 comply with federal guidelines. 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:25.279 Federal guidelines has specified only two colors should be 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:25.839 used 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.640 and then they have accepted or approved a third one. 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.240 So the first one is white, the second one is yellow, 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.410 and then the third one they recently approved is green for 00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:36.200 bicycles. 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.569 So those are the only three approved colors federal 00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:45.720 guidelines allow in order to guide drivers 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.079 or give them some direction or control traffic or give them 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:49.920 message. 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:51.440 Only those three colors are allowed. 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:58.039 So that's the issue that we have with this particular art. 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:02.440 So it's a thing that we're exploring. 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.519 I think what council wanted to look at is spending the 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:06.720 public art money 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.640 in doing something like this. 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:09.960 There are two aspects. 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.359 This is-- the traffic calming effect is part one 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.190 but just giving an aesthetically pleasing entrance to 00:32:17.190 --> 00:32:18.519 certain areas. 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:22.200 I mean, if you're talking about-- if you painted in-- 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.579 as an entrance to downtown square or something, that's a 00:32:25.579 --> 00:32:26.400 different story 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.480 and that's a different way of doing it. 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.980 But this-- the actual traffic calming staff doesn't 00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:34.160 recommend it 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.839 but we're presenting it to council at some point. 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.839 But I really wanted the committee to know what's going on 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.680 and we talked about it in mobility 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:47.769 and yeah, we're going to do something in front of council 00:32:47.769 --> 00:32:50.480 at some point but not yet. 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.920 Any questions? 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.519 >> Under what applications is that most common? 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.880 Like coming up to a stop sign or yield sign or not? 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:03.039 I mean, not with a stop sign or yield sign in the area. 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.359 Is that the purpose to-- 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:08.839 >> So this common application for example here across walks 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.799 is more prevalent in cities 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:16.069 where there's a lot of pedestrian traffic where it becomes 00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:18.160 a thing that if you're a visitor 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.849 to that particular area or downtown area, people that don't 00:33:21.849 --> 00:33:23.039 take it every day, 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.880 those are the people that actually slow down to look at it 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:27.960 or will-- they have an effect. 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:32.000 So they-- and there is a lot of pedestrian traffic so it 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.200 actually helps pedestrians 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.519 so that creates a more safer environment. 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.170 So that's the application if it's in the middle of 00:33:42.170 --> 00:33:43.799 residential neighborhood, 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.619 I mean after the first couple of weeks no one would notice 00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:47.799 it because they're like, yeah, 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:49.920 I know that, I'm going to just drive over it. 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.039 I drive over it every day. 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.640 Any other questions? 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.750 >> Do you have any idea what that looks like for a 00:34:00.750 --> 00:34:02.000 pedestrian? 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.759 Would they be able to see that that's a crosswalk from the 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.400 side? 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.460 >> It looks like a-- I mean I don't have a comparison like 00:34:10.460 --> 00:34:11.920 this but it will most likely look 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.159 like that for a pedestrian flat. 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.079 It has to be a certain angle when you're approaching it. 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.719 It doesn't give you a 3D effect if you're not approaching 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.159 it. 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.789 >> I just wonder if it is not useful for pedestrians to 00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:28.079 know where the crosswalk is. 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.389 >> No, I think it's-- this is a better way of showing them 00:34:31.389 --> 00:34:32.760 crosswalk as opposed to this 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.780 but this is more for-- this whole shading effect is more 00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:38.199 for the driver. 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.360 >> Any questions? 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.599 >> Any questions? 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:52.989 >> OK. If not, that brings us to our favorite, the 1GTSC 18 00:34:52.989 --> 00:34:59.079 -019 staff reports, the matrix. 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:04.079 >> OK. 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.039 >> And how's everything looking there? 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.519 >> Yes, I think the first few items-- let's see. 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:18.369 Yeah, part of the downtown parking working group, they're 00:35:18.369 --> 00:35:20.440 still discussing valley 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.039 and loading zones so that's still under consideration but 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.480 there's no plan to move forward yet. 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:33.480 Small area plan, I think you probably know more than I do 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.360 about the small area plan 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.179 but it's moving and once that some decisions are made 00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:41.000 especially parking, what I heard loud 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.760 and clear was parking was the main issue and everyone's 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:44.719 pointing it out 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:51.030 so obviously there will be some kind of plan to tackle it 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:53.480 and address it so. 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.880 Same thing, Fannin Street is in the same area and it will 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.760 be definitely at that-- 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.360 at those intersections and on Fannin it will be addressed. 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.360 Old North and University, northbound visibility. 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.320 We're currently working on project to add left turn lanes. 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.079 I think the primary concern here was people are going 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:17.960 around people 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.469 that are waiting to make the left so they're in a through 00:36:21.469 --> 00:36:22.679 left lane 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.239 and they're swinging so it makes difficult for the person 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.440 on the other side 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.269 to know what their intentions of the driver on the opposite 00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:31.000 side is so. 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.440 >> I'm almost out of the way here in that intersection. 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.079 >> Oh my God. 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:40.460 Yes, so we are in the design phase for adding left turn 00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:42.280 lanes in both north-south directions. 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.000 I think southbound is easier. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.230 It already has a right turn lane so we might think of 00:36:47.230 --> 00:36:48.400 switching 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.239 and making a right through lane and then a left only. 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:58.230 So that might be an alternative but northbound needs some 00:36:58.230 --> 00:36:58.920 expansion 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.719 because of the great change. 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.969 So that's part of the project that we're going to-- we're 00:37:02.969 --> 00:37:04.639 working on it's under design. 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:10.360 So the schedule on that one, we will most likely go to 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.519 construction by October this year. 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.400 That's the schedule. 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.039 >> I'm in there till October. 00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.320 >> I'll see what I can do. 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:21.360 >> Only this summer. 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.880 >> I'll only turn right there if I can help it. 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:30.800 Just going straight across, you can't see what's coming. 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.320 >> Old Alton, that one, yeah, I looked at it and we don't 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:36.880 have any jurisdiction 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.920 over that particular bridge right there. 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:40.280 It's a very gray area. 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.559 I think we're in the county and then we're in the city, 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.400 part of it in the county. 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:48.559 So that is still up in the air. 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.880 We can't really do anything at this point. 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.159 I've communicated this with the county but they really don 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:54.920 't seem to have 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.119 that as their priority for some reason. 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:04.110 Mingo Road between Bell and Old North, this is a much 00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:06.079 bigger project primarily 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.639 because of the drainage issues. 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.500 There is a big ditch on one side and then railroad on the 00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:13.119 other side. 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.360 We don't have right of way on the railroad side. 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.369 It's not going to happen that we would ever get right of 00:38:18.369 --> 00:38:18.639 way. 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.289 So all the right of way has to come from the north side of 00:38:22.289 --> 00:38:23.039 Mingo. 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.630 So what we're in discussions with city management is Mingo 00:38:28.630 --> 00:38:30.440 would become a bigger street 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.239 and we'll take it to council at that point. 00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.360 But we're thinking of Mingo from Bell Place all the way to 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.760 university 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.309 or where it meets Old North, at least to that portion, to 00:38:45.309 --> 00:38:47.480 the channel that it was shut 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.400 down at, the bridge part. 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.050 We're going to take that and create a bigger project and 00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:55.840 then most likely fund it 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.320 through the next bond program. 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:03.880 But in the meantime, we're working with TWU to see if we 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:05.440 can put a path right 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.840 by the fence or something in the meantime. 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.519 So we haven't reached a solution yet. 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.559 Forward Drive at Collins Left Turn. 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.199 So this intersection, this particular one is being studied 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.000 and I looked 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.440 at the preliminary results of the analysis and that 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.039 intersection has been flagged 00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:32.239 as needing some improvements and most likely the left turn 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.239 lanes would be one 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.519 of the additions that would happen there. 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.000 But it's a bigger project and I think the funding will come 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.599 through a joint something between UNT and the city. 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.880 Met Park. 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:57.559 Yeah, we are working with actually the medical city folks 00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:58.920 and we're working with them. 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.440 We're going to cut the speed bump into speed cushions and 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:02.760 that's going 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.320 to happen in the next week or so. 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:09.960 We already have talked with street crews and they're on 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:10.840 board. 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.280 McKinney Sidewalk. 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:19.000 We-- it is on a list and that list is out for design. 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.800 So once we get a consultant on board, we'll design and put 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.199 that in next six to eight months. 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.159 It's under the 2018 Sidewalk package. 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.750 The Sidewalk and Calhoun just got added to the list so most 00:40:33.750 --> 00:40:35.039 likely that will go 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.659 to the 2019 Sidewalk package and-- but the 2019 Sidewalk 00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:41.400 package doesn't have funds 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.800 for construction so we just have money to design. 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:48.909 We'll get a design and then we'll ask for more money from 00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:49.800 council. 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.760 And I think there are other avenues. 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.690 I think we're going to pursue some SRTS grants for this 00:40:56.690 --> 00:40:57.400 particular-- 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.760 for the Sidewalk project because it's right by the middle 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:01.239 school. 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:05.519 So it qualifies much more than any other Sidewalk. 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:10.369 >> At what point is the school district liable for the Side 00:41:10.369 --> 00:41:11.159 walk? 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.119 Do not? 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.199 >> We-- it's a state entity. 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.800 We can't force them. 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.400 They'll do it around their perimeter. 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.099 Most of the times they do it, for example, Geyer High 00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:23.480 School 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.119 and all the newer development that goes in. 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:32.559 But existing things that's not-- it becomes city problem. 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.119 >> OK. Because the only reason that that potential for the 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.719 Sidewalk was on my radar 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.699 because-- was because this was part of a discussion when I 00:41:40.699 --> 00:41:40.840 was 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.239 on P&Z number of years ago. 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.500 And I remember when there was a Sidewalk that's added to 00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:48.719 the west side 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:53.530 of the ball diamond at Denton High and that was part of the 00:41:53.530 --> 00:41:54.440 discussion 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.880 that they would put the Sidewalk in on that west side of 00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:59.000 the ball diamond. 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.840 And that's there but I've been waiting for that Sidewalk. 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:04.960 So they can say, "Forget." 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.519 Or maybe it was a-- if we get around to it, we'll do that. 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.150 >> Maybe next bond package if we can add a bunch of Side 00:42:11.150 --> 00:42:12.559 walks next to schools. 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.079 >> Maybe. 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.039 OK. 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:17.440 >> D-I-S-T. 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.840 >> Yeah. 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.400 >> North Hickory Street. 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.039 This one definitely it's on our radar. 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:25.320 It was pointed out. 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.800 We have some monies for ADA ramps. 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:33.260 And I think we have a street lighting project going through 00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:33.760 that area. 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:37.650 So most likely once that happens or as part of that project 00:42:37.650 --> 00:42:37.760 , 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:44.239 we can make sure that that driveway ramps are in place. 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.159 So it's at that particular driveway, correct? 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.099 It's an entrance to the front here-- frontier driveway 00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:51.760 parking lot. 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:57.599 And then the last one, Valley Dumpsters. 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:05.269 This one-- I'm not to discuss the options available to the 00:43:05.269 --> 00:43:06.159 areas. 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:11.269 We're going to-- I saw your email response to Sarah and I'm 00:43:11.269 --> 00:43:13.199 not sure-- 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.440 we'll try and talk to them. 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.199 Is Soledad going to talk to them? 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.320 Great. Go ahead. 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.519 >> If I can respond. 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:26.320 Solid Waste has worked with me recently on the dumpsters. 00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:32.940 So they're happy to contact them again to see if maybe a 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.639 different option. 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.719 But they said the dumpsters were released recently and they 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:40.880 're where they're-- 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.590 they're perfectly liable to keep-- or appropriate to keep 00:43:44.590 --> 00:43:46.400 them where they are. 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:51.059 So there are other options and they're definitely willing 00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:53.119 to contact the residents 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.320 to find out that's what they would like to do. 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.989 But there might be additional costs associated with 00:43:58.989 --> 00:44:01.320 something else such as carts. 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.760 They'd have to have staff to put the carts so they could be 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:05.199 emptied. 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.400 Whereas the dumpster just sits there all the time. 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.500 But those are their options and they have offered them 00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:15.800 other avenues. 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.139 So if that's something that you'd wish that the city did 00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:21.039 contact to see if they could work 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.639 out something better, we'd be happy to ask them to do that. 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.840 But as is, they're well within the rights. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:30.639 >> OK. 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.760 >> It's just an aesthetical issue. 00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:35.119 I understand though. 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:39.079 >> Yeah. And sometimes I might think that, you know, in 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.440 some of the small apartment complexes 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:47.309 or, you know, triplexes that maybe the system for taking 00:44:47.309 --> 00:44:49.159 care of trash was in place-- 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.079 have been in place for 25 years and they just haven't been 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.679 -- they haven't rethought it. 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:53.880 >> Right. 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.159 >> And so sometimes it's good to just have somebody say, 00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.079 you can think about this issue again 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.000 and there might be a choice that is better. 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.260 >> Yeah, we'll be happy to have city staff contact them to 00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:06.679 update them on their options 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.599 because some of those options are new now that might 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:10.679 actually work better. 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:12.679 So we'll be happy to contact them. 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:12.880 >> OK. 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.829 >> The construction-- reconstruction of Hickory reconfig 00:45:17.829 --> 00:45:20.000 ured that area? 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.079 I mean, because there'll be new streets and then new 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.280 sidewalks. 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.199 I don't remember where the dumpster is there. 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:28.480 >> Close to Carroll. 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:34.039 It's in the-- there's 10 units close to Carroll. 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.719 So I don't know. 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.860 >> Because obviously with ADA, you can't have dumpsters on 00:45:38.860 --> 00:45:39.800 the sidewalks. 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:40.000 >> Right. 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.880 >> So they're rebuilding the sidewalks. 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.239 >> Right. 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.000 >> Are they going to have to move anything? 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.760 Could we use it as an excuse for them to move things? 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.079 [ Laughter ] 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:52.440 >> I don't know. 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.119 >> We'll try. 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:58.119 >> OK. Does anybody else have anything to add to the matrix 00:45:58.119 --> 00:45:58.440 ? 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.639 >> I got one. 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.199 >> So, Jim, I'm looking at it and I want to make sure I 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:06.400 understand it. 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.460 >> You're talking about the area in front of the fire hyd 00:46:09.460 --> 00:46:10.000 rant? 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.840 >> No. If you're going towards downtown. 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.320 >> Right. 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.519 >> The copy shop is on the left. 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:19.559 >> Uh-huh. 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.119 >> Over here-- yeah, well, there's a fire hydrant. 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.079 But that-- could you put the Google map? 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.119 >> Yes. I'll put it up. 00:46:36.400 --> 00:47:01.679 [ Silence ] 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:02.440 >> Perfect. 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:04.039 Yeah. OK. 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.639 Right there on the right-hand side. 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:12.960 >> Is this particular section or this is the one-- 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:13.679 >> Right there. 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:18.719 The last legal parking spot is one car up there. 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.519 Do you see the white line? 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:25.039 OK. They park between that white line and the crosswalk, 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:26.639 the white crosswalk there. 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.400 >> In front of the fire hydrant? 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:28.880 >> Uh-huh. 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:29.079 >> Yeah. 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:29.880 >> Which is illegal. 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:30.920 >> I can corroborate that. 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:31.519 >> Yes. 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:32.440 >> This is illegal. 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.079 And today, it was on the other side too, right in front of 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.280 the car print shop. 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:39.639 Just like that guy. 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:40.639 OK. 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:41.639 >> Wow. 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.599 >> So, what happens is I'm driving a 35-foot bus. 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.219 And I-- and if I stop behind the crosswalk, put the cross 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:52.840 walk up to take the right turn. 00:47:54.360 --> 00:48:00.039 If I stop at the crosswalk, they've got enough space there. 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:03.280 I'm over in the lane, I'm in the road. 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.719 But what happened, I had an accident there. 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.519 It was non-preventable and the cop gave him a ticket. 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.000 But he was in that spot and of course, I had my turn signal 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.800 on. 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.769 But I'm moving and I'm turning right and he comes out with 00:48:17.769 --> 00:48:20.480 me and he's in my blind spot, 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.119 you know, so I crushed him against the-- 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:23.760 >> This pole? 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:24.679 >> -- against the side there. 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.840 No, it was further up on the turn. 00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:28.159 >> Oh, around this corner. 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.480 >> Yeah, right there, right there. 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:35.480 And what happens is, that's bad. 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:40.480 But once I turn, Jimmy Johns, they're not parking. 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:41.719 They're parked illegally. 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.800 They're staying too far out this way. 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:47.469 So, I have to swing way over to the left to get around the 00:48:47.469 --> 00:48:49.440 last car that's parked there. 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.800 That's one too many, you know, towards me. 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:58.500 So, what I was asking him is, of course, I said put a big 00:48:58.500 --> 00:48:59.719 rock there. 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:04.280 But I don't know what you do in that kind of situation. 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.179 But the cop told-- when we had the accident, the cop told 00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:09.880 the guy, he says, you know, 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.679 you're not-- you weren't-- you came out, you weren't in the 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:13.320 roadway. 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.639 So, they came-- he comes straight out because he was going 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:17.320 to turn right 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:18.920 and he thought I was going to go straight. 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.079 I don't know why he thought that. 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.519 But if you do it right and you stop that bus before that 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.280 white line, they've got room there. 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.480 Which is why I always have to look down and see if there's 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:30.039 somebody sitting 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:35.079 in that driver's seat and see if they're ready to come out. 00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:41.110 >> So, first and foremost, I can-- what we can do is 00:49:41.110 --> 00:49:43.599 probably add some marking here 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:48.289 that says that this area shouldn't be-- if we paint it a 00:49:48.289 --> 00:49:49.199 certain way, 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.880 they'll still start parking on that paint too. 00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.719 But I think there are a couple of things. 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.119 UNT maintains enforcement in this area. 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.440 We have an agreement with UNT to do the parking enforcement 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:01.599 so I can get with them 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:06.039 and make sure that they enforce this particular spot. 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.159 >> They're not enforcing any of it on that side. 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.719 >> Yeah. 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:10.880 >> And they're not chalking the tires. 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.119 They're missing all kinds of revenue. 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.079 You know, they just don't have anybody assigned to it. 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.059 >> I think the part of the issue is this particular parking 00:50:20.059 --> 00:50:20.679 going away 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.519 and then the meter is being pulled out. 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:24.639 That's the-- 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:25.559 >> That's in our picture. 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:26.639 They are pulled out. 00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:27.920 >> They are pulled out. 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:32.250 So, the issue is we're-- this particular parking, we're in 00:50:32.250 --> 00:50:32.920 a limbo 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.489 because we're waiting the small area plan to finish for 00:50:36.489 --> 00:50:37.679 council to act 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.579 on restricting parking on this side and putting in bike 00:50:40.579 --> 00:50:41.159 lanes. 00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:41.480 >> Right. 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:42.519 >> That's the whole project. 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:43.920 >> That came through us. 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.360 >> Correct, but the council didn't approve that one and 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:48.639 they wanted to wait 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:51.480 until the small area plan is done so that they can ban 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:52.320 parking here 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.760 and then we can move forward and install the bike lanes. 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.559 So, that's where we're at. 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.519 UNT doesn't care what happens here. 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.320 They don't really want the parking. 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:06.409 They're happy with the bike lanes but once these meters are 00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:07.199 pulled out, 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.039 I'm not sure if enforcement is being carried out but I can 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:10.599 check. 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.159 >> So, it's supposed to-- the signs are up to our parking. 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:14.559 Just like-- 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:15.239 >> Signs-- oh, yeah. 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:15.559 >> Just like the square. 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:16.239 >> The signs are up. 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:17.760 >> Yeah, the signs are up. 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.199 >> What I can do is probably add some paint here and add 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:22.559 some marking, 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.449 hatch marking that-- that way it's clear that-- in white 00:51:25.449 --> 00:51:26.079 paint. 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:27.880 It's clear that you're not supposed to park here. 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:29.880 >> Right. Do it on the other side too. 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.480 >> This one is a parking spot if you can see that. 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.159 This is a parking spot. 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.599 >> But that looks yellow on the curb. 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.760 >> It might be a loading zone for this particular-- 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.199 I can take into that. 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:43.800 But there are loading zones that are marked-- 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:45.929 >> I mean, if people were going to-- you know, if somebody 00:51:45.929 --> 00:51:47.480 was going to turn left, 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.280 that might be a problem to them. 00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.280 >> That sure is a-- but you know what happens when you-- 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.610 if it's a parking space, it would be an issue if we start 00:52:03.610 --> 00:52:05.159 eliminating that. 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:10.119 That just to-- yeah, the businesses that are not going to 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:11.360 like eliminating this particular 00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:14.079 parking spot, the last one. 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:15.400 But this one, we can do something. 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:16.719 It's fine if I have fire hydrant. 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.000 >> And that is a loading zone over here on the Fry Street 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.400 side that-- where that van is. 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.079 That's-- that is a loading zone. 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:24.639 >> It is. 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:25.239 This one is. 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:25.599 >> So, yeah. 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.000 So they do have that loading zone. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.909 But the plate-- the park-- the non-parking spot that Jim is 00:52:31.909 --> 00:52:32.960 talking about, 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.159 if there's somebody in there, since that's right in front 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:36.239 of my office, 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.639 it's somebody in there all the time. 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:39.039 >> This-- yes. 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.360 >> On the other side. 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.000 Over on the-- on the campus side, yeah, that little spot. 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.570 I even had-- today, I was crossing the street and I even 00:52:46.570 --> 00:52:48.079 had to look to-- 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.230 before I came to think, is this really-- it's not a parking 00:52:51.230 --> 00:52:51.519 spot. 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:51.719 >> It's not. 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.119 >> Because there's somebody always in that spot. 00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:54.199 >> Fire hydrant is there. 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:59.159 You can't be within 15 feet of a fire hydrant. 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.599 But we can stripe it white. 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:03.760 >> Got a lot riding. 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:05.679 >> That's going to throw people off a little bit. 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.440 They think it's a loading zone. 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.239 But loading zones are yellow. 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:14.079 >> Got a lot riding on that small area plan, don't we? 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.480 >> A lot riding on that one. 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:17.719 >> A lot of pressure. 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.239 >> We better fix the world in that. 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:24.079 Okay. Yeah, I'll add this to the matrix and-- 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:25.840 >> Thank you. 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:26.840 >> All right. 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:30.000 Does anybody have anything else for the matrix? 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.880 >> Speaking of-- I have to check to see if the-- 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.360 whatever happened to the-- I slept since then. 00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.210 Speaking of the Fry Street area, what happened with the 00:53:44.210 --> 00:53:45.159 speed change? 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.190 Was it one of the business owners going to come back with a 00:53:49.190 --> 00:53:51.000 report or a petition? 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.199 >> I think we did a study twice. 00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:53.920 >> You did? 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:54.320 >> Yeah. 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:54.559 >> Okay. 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.440 >> It was not recommended to change. 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:57.360 >> Yeah. 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:02.039 >> She was going to take a survey or something. 00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:03.000 >> Okay. 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:07.000 >> Yeah. It came back through and we changed and-- 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.000 >> Okay. 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.719 >> Yeah, that's fine. 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.440 Okay. If there are no other items to the matrix-- 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:16.559 >> Motion to adjourn. 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.039 >> Everybody's ready to go. 00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:20.079 All right. 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.360 Seconded? 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.639 >> Second. 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.920 >> And we are adjourning at 626. 00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:28.440 Thank you everybody. 00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:30.119 >> Wow, within the hour. 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:48.039 [ Silence ]