1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,879 >> Good evening and welcome to the Monday, April 2nd in the 2 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:09,439 2018 meeting of the Traffic 3 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:11,199 Safety Commission. 4 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:16,679 The first item, we have a quorum and it's 532. 5 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:22,269 First item in our agenda is 1A, items for consideration, T 6 00:00:22,269 --> 00:00:26,199 SC 18-013 which is to consider 7 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:29,640 the approval of the Traffic Safety Commission meetings of 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,800 February 5th, 2018. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,960 Has everybody had a chance to take a look at the minutes? 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Are there any corrections? 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,679 Is there a motion for approval? 12 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:45,159 I'll move. 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,159 >> Second. 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,159 >> All right. 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,159 Everyone in agreement? 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,159 Yes. 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,159 >> Yep. 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,159 >> Okay. 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:59,850 So, items for consideration 1B, TSC 18-014 is to receive a 20 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:02,039 report and hold a discussion 21 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,879 on a local transportation project advance funding agreement 22 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:09,200 for a congestion mitigation 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,560 and air quality improvement project. 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,239 >> Good evening, everyone. 25 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:21,890 My name is Preet Tamdeshmukh, traffic engineer for the city 26 00:01:21,890 --> 00:01:25,959 and there are quite a few agreements 27 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,579 that we're going through but the first one is item B and 28 00:01:30,579 --> 00:01:32,359 back in-- I'll start with opening 29 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:39,379 up a nice map here but back in 2015, the city received 30 00:01:39,379 --> 00:01:43,680 funding from congestion mitigation 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,599 and air quality portion from the COG and this funding was 32 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:51,519 primarily to provide sidewalks 33 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:55,359 near elementary schools, Wilson Elementary was one and then 34 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,799 the other one is Pecan Elementary, 35 00:01:57,799 --> 00:01:59,840 Long Swisher there. 36 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,719 So these two areas were identified and the sidewalks were 37 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:06,319 identified back in 2015. 38 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:11,020 When we went back to ask for funding, COG apparently had 39 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:13,879 over committed funds to everyone 40 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:17,729 last few years so they moved these-- after we gave them 41 00:02:17,729 --> 00:02:20,039 permission, they moved these 42 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:25,229 projects further along to fiscal year 2018 and now they 43 00:02:25,229 --> 00:02:27,759 have come back and they said, 44 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:29,840 "Okay, now we have the money. 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,340 This is a good time to move forward and get the agreements 46 00:02:33,340 --> 00:02:34,199 in place." 47 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:37,430 Once the agreements are in place and signed by both parties 48 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:38,919 , then we'll get the money 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,280 allocated, we can start begin design and construction. 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,590 The total schedule for this project is approximately 12 51 00:02:48,590 --> 00:02:52,000 months for both design as well as-- I'm 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,039 sorry, it's two years. 53 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:57,330 There is some environmental assessment also required and 54 00:02:57,330 --> 00:02:59,000 right of way acquisition. 55 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,930 So we're going to begin design once the agreement goes 56 00:03:02,930 --> 00:03:05,460 through council and approval. 57 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:10,840 This item was already taken to council in a meeting on 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,639 March 20th and it was approved. 59 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,439 This is more of an informational item. 60 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:21,479 This item was originally presented to Traffic Safety 61 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,479 Committee as well as Mobility back 62 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:28,719 in 2014 when we first were funded for this project. 63 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:31,479 So the committee was aware of this project but this is just 64 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:33,120 more information that we're 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,039 now starting and moving forward with the project. 66 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:43,560 And this is the first-- we have about five short segments 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,319 close to Wilson Elementary 68 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:50,159 and then one big segment along with the Conn Elementary. 69 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:53,560 And as you know, this neighborhood back here is growing. 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,639 This is already under construction. 71 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:59,419 So this particular sidewalk becomes an important missing 72 00:03:59,419 --> 00:04:02,039 link that really needs to happen sooner 73 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,039 than later. 74 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:05,039 Any questions on this? 75 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:06,039 >> We have one question. 76 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:12,039 If-- I'm not sure if the bond package was approved or not 77 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:15,039 but there's supposed to be 78 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:21,439 one to replace Wilson Elementary like within the next year. 79 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:22,439 >> Replace the entire school? 80 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:25,670 >> Yeah, yeah, like several elementary schools I think are 81 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:27,959 -- and Wilson is one of them. 82 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:31,000 So how will that affect this? 83 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,939 >> As far as we know, DISD have communicated this with them 84 00:04:34,939 --> 00:04:36,680 and they don't think that the 85 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,519 whole elementary school will be replaced. 86 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:45,480 It may be reused for some other school or other facilities 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,199 but that sidewalk need would 88 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:48,199 remain irrespective. 89 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:53,709 So yes, and I think the bond program is going to happen in 90 00:04:53,709 --> 00:04:54,480 May. 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:01,959 I'm not 100% sure but they are going for bond money in May. 92 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:02,959 >> I have a question. 93 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:07,600 What is the environmental assessment that has to be done? 94 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,529 >> A lot of times if some of these sidewalks are within 95 00:05:12,529 --> 00:05:15,639 water features or any creeks, we 96 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:19,610 don't know what's in this particular area especially behind 97 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:20,639 the school. 98 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:23,680 If there are any drainage, flood plains, creeks, then we 99 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,480 have to go through assessment. 100 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,360 Other than that, the ones on Wilson, I don't think there 101 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,560 are any major issues that we can 102 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,560 see. 103 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,560 >> I was wondering a thing over there. 104 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,600 >> Unless it's water within close to a water feature, we 105 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,560 don't need to. 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:40,560 >> OK. 107 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,759 >> Are these the five foot or the eight foot sidewalks? 108 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:46,040 >> These are five foot sidewalks. 109 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,560 >> Anything else? 110 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,959 >> Anybody else have any questions on this one? 111 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:54,959 OK. 112 00:05:54,959 --> 00:06:01,180 Well then we can move on to item C, 1C, TSC 18-015 to 113 00:06:01,180 --> 00:06:04,920 receive a report and hold a discussion 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,740 on an advanced funding agreement for a transportation 115 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:12,720 alternative set aside program project, construction 116 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,699 of sidewalks for the Jennings and Lee Elementary School 117 00:06:15,699 --> 00:06:18,680 areas with the Texas Department of Transportation. 118 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,639 >> That's a mouthful name, right? 119 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:24,439 Transportation set aside. 120 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:25,639 Yes. 121 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:33,069 So this particular transportation set aside call came in 122 00:06:33,069 --> 00:06:37,000 December of 2016. 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,649 It opened and we were selected last year to get funded for 124 00:06:43,649 --> 00:06:46,000 three projects. 125 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,009 They're actually-- Safe Routes to School is one and the 126 00:06:50,009 --> 00:06:52,360 next item has two projects. 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,209 So we got money for Safe Routes to School program and there 128 00:06:57,209 --> 00:06:59,639 are two elementary schools 129 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:04,389 and we've identified the sidewalks that will be funded by 130 00:07:04,389 --> 00:07:06,839 this particular program. 131 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,000 Under this program, we got funding for almost $1 million 132 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 out of which we had a local match 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,720 or a local government match of $190,000. 134 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:23,199 So for $200,000, we got a million dollars worth of work. 135 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:27,959 We're going to add sidewalks near Jennings the first or Jen 136 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,360 nings the first elementary 137 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,079 school on Stewart Road. 138 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:35,560 Stewart Road does not have any sidewalks. 139 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,459 It has really very little in front of the school itself but 140 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,040 for the rest of the stretch 141 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,600 between Windsor and Sun Valley, there are no sidewalks. 142 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,360 And this-- under this project, they will be designed and 143 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,279 implemented five foot sidewalks 144 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:54,199 on either side of Stewart. 145 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:58,129 And if you look at the existing sidewalk connections, you 146 00:07:58,129 --> 00:08:00,319 'll see there's a-- 147 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:05,240 there are sidewalks along Windsor and there are sidewalks 148 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,120 some around this area 149 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,519 but Stewart doesn't have anything. 150 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:10,079 It's a straight shot connection. 151 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:13,259 So it will provide that. 152 00:08:13,259 --> 00:08:14,079 This is the first school. 153 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:19,389 The second is the Lee Elementary School and that we are 154 00:08:19,389 --> 00:08:22,639 adding sidewalks along two streets. 155 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:27,740 One is Audre Lane between-- just north of Latimore and Aud 156 00:08:27,740 --> 00:08:28,720 re Lane again. 157 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,439 It becomes an Audre Lane. 158 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:35,440 And then on Mulkey which is between Paisley and just north 159 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,799 of Oak Tree. 160 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:42,539 So these are the segments that are missing and if you look 161 00:08:42,539 --> 00:08:43,480 at the missing links, 162 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,919 there are-- there's a neighborhood here. 163 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:50,789 A lot of kids actually walk on the street and in here, you 164 00:08:50,789 --> 00:08:53,080 can see along Audre Lane, 165 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,230 there's a path, a clear path on the-- in the parkway area 166 00:08:57,230 --> 00:08:58,120 in the grass. 167 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,799 They can see kids walking to school. 168 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:05,110 So these are really required sidewalk projects that the 169 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:07,200 city has identified 170 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,679 and have been funded through COG. 171 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,600 These are federal dollars that are coming in and that's why 172 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,000 we'll have to go 173 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,909 through all the funding federal project execution 174 00:09:21,909 --> 00:09:23,879 requirements per se. 175 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:26,000 And this is a 15-month project. 176 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,289 We'll need some right of way, some locations and design and 177 00:09:30,289 --> 00:09:31,639 construction. 178 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:33,399 Any questions? 179 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:41,159 >> I'm just super happy to see all the sidewalks going in. 180 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:41,879 >> Yes. 181 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:51,659 >> Yeah. Okay, that brings us to 1D, TSC 18-016 which is to 182 00:09:51,659 --> 00:09:52,919 receive a report 183 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,279 and hold the discussion on an advanced funding agreement 184 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:00,600 for a transportation alternative set-aside program project, 185 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,029 construction of multi-use side path on Sycamore Street and 186 00:10:05,029 --> 00:10:07,120 bike lanes on Well Street 187 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,220 with the Texas Department of Transportation for receiving 188 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:12,679 federal funding. 189 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,870 >> Okay. This is the second project that the city secured 190 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:18,159 funding for 191 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,159 and these two are bike projects. 192 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:27,009 There is a multi-use side path, 10-foot wide side path 193 00:10:27,009 --> 00:10:28,279 along Sycamore 194 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:32,080 and the primary reason for this particular side path is 195 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,730 to connect the existing DCTA Transit Center here, Denton 196 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:41,440 Downtown Transit Center with UNT. 197 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,549 And the sidewalk will be constructed on the north side of 198 00:10:45,549 --> 00:10:46,600 Sycamore. 199 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,200 There are certain locations that will require, 200 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,120 I think there's a new signal, traffic signal at Carroll 201 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,120 that will be required as part of this 202 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,000 and it will be put in. 203 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,720 City has separate funding for that. 204 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,570 It couldn't be part of this particular project but that's 205 00:11:04,570 --> 00:11:06,279 one thing 206 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:09,850 and then we are currently working with the railroad to put 207 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:11,399 in a better crossing. 208 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:15,120 I think the crossing is pretty, in pretty bad shape as far 209 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,639 as the pavement is concerned. 210 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:23,029 So we're going ahead with Union Pacific having them upgrade 211 00:11:23,029 --> 00:11:25,679 the railroad crossings 212 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:31,190 and also add more feet, I mean more about 8 to 10 feet on 213 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,080 the north side extra 214 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,629 so that we can actually have that as part of the side path 215 00:11:36,629 --> 00:11:38,919 when we go with this project. 216 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:43,000 The second project is adding bike lanes on Welch between 217 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,639 Eagle and Hickory. 218 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:48,139 That project is a-- people don't like this term but it's a 219 00:11:48,139 --> 00:11:48,799 road diet 220 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:54,789 where the four lane Welch Street will be graded down, not 221 00:11:54,789 --> 00:11:56,679 graded down but it will be reduced 222 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,370 to one lane each direction and a center tunnel lane with 223 00:12:00,370 --> 00:12:01,679 bike lanes on both sides, 224 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,840 something similar to what we did on Eagle. 225 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,649 And this particular segment has low volume, speed is not 226 00:12:09,649 --> 00:12:10,919 super high. 227 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:14,490 There are several crossings and crosswalks in between 228 00:12:14,490 --> 00:12:15,799 students crossing. 229 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:20,269 So this is an ideal place to put in bike lanes especially 230 00:12:20,269 --> 00:12:22,000 the bike lanes will connect 231 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,570 to existing bike lanes on Eagle and the future bike lanes 232 00:12:26,570 --> 00:12:27,080 on Hickory. 233 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,789 They're-- The bike lanes on Hickory will be completed after 234 00:12:29,789 --> 00:12:31,679 the construction is done so. 235 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,039 And the total amount for the project is almost a million 236 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:40,840 dollars, $989,000 of which we city match 237 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,039 is $190,000. 238 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:47,659 This is slightly a longer project as far as design right of 239 00:12:47,659 --> 00:12:48,960 way and implementation. 240 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,360 It's a 20-month project. 241 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,980 So once we get these agreements signed and get it moving 242 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:57,320 approximately 20 months later, 243 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,200 we'll have everything complete. 244 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,519 Any questions? 245 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,399 >> I had a question about the Sycamore. 246 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:06,730 You're going to be putting in a new traffic signal on 247 00:13:06,730 --> 00:13:07,320 Carroll? 248 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,600 >> Correct. 249 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,039 >> I've always wondered why Mulberry is not the route for 250 00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:12,360 the-- 251 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,559 I think it was in the bike mobility plan. 252 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,149 I think this little strip of Sycamore was in that plan and 253 00:13:19,149 --> 00:13:19,720 I always wondered 254 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,450 why Mulberry wasn't the choice since there's always already 255 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:24,539 a light there. 256 00:13:24,539 --> 00:13:29,759 >> Yeah. So the light at Mulberry is not warranted. 257 00:13:29,759 --> 00:13:32,659 It's been there for a while and we went through a bunch of 258 00:13:32,659 --> 00:13:33,799 work analysis 259 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,440 and the actual light is not warranted at Mulberry. 260 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,080 So we were in the process of removing that. 261 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:40,840 >> Oh, okay. 262 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,730 >> So-- and some funds were allocated to replace it because 263 00:13:45,730 --> 00:13:47,240 it was aging old. 264 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,879 So once we started looking of all these different things, 265 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:53,360 we decided that it was a better idea 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,039 to remove it from that particular location and put it on Sy 267 00:13:57,039 --> 00:13:58,240 camore where we-- 268 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,679 and I'm trying to pull the map just because I want to show 269 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,320 the connectivity here. 270 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:13,320 If you look at Sycamore, Mulberry ends at Bell and does not 271 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,320 go across the tracks. 272 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Whereas Sycamore actually gives an access across the track. 273 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,600 There is connections-- let's go down here. 274 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:28,320 There are connections on this side where you can actually-- 275 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,340 all these transit buses are here. 276 00:14:30,340 --> 00:14:33,720 You can actually connect here and then take it down all the 277 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,519 way this way. 278 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:38,360 As opposed to Mulberry, it would be another issue to take 279 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,440 them across. 280 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,639 This is private property. 281 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:43,639 We can't really get into it. 282 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:44,039 >> Oh, right. 283 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:45,679 That's Boca 31. 284 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:47,240 >> Yes, right by Boca. 285 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:47,879 And-- 286 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:50,679 >> The visual arts center is private? 287 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:53,200 The visual arts center is private? 288 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,759 >> Good question. 289 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:59,320 I do not know the answer to that one. 290 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,360 >> Yeah, it is the access to the visual arts center. 291 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,710 But I think this trip would be an issue because this is the 292 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:09,720 lay yard for Union Pacific 293 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,539 and we've been working with them to clean it up for a while 294 00:15:12,539 --> 00:15:12,740 . 295 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:16,080 But to get access through this would be-- 296 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:16,639 >> Oh, okay. 297 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,970 >> Yeah, would take years and maybe not even achieve what 298 00:15:20,970 --> 00:15:21,419 we-- 299 00:15:21,419 --> 00:15:23,279 >> Well, as long as you're taking out the light on Mulberry 300 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:25,440 because I don't think people are going to tolerate lights 301 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,759 at-- 302 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:27,039 >> No. 303 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:31,080 >> Congress, Oak, Hickory, Sycamore and Mulberry. 304 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,399 I'll just run them. 305 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:37,080 >> Yes, Mulberry light is going to come off. 306 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,480 >> Okay. 307 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,080 >> So I have questions about the side path. 308 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:48,960 Is this the first side path that Denton will have? 309 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,120 >> Most likely it will go in as the first one. 310 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,559 But there-- oh, actually there's one under construction at 311 00:15:57,559 --> 00:15:58,320 Mayhill. 312 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Mayhill has a 10 foot side path on one side. 313 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:01,879 >> Okay. 314 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:05,519 >> The new section and then a 5 foot sidewalk on one side. 315 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:05,600 >> Okay. 316 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,200 >> So they've taken out bike facilities from within the 317 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,080 actual pavement area and put them 318 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,120 on the side paths which is much more safer than riding near 319 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,919 traffic that's 40, 45 miles an hour. 320 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:23,330 So that's one I think McKinney new segment that we're 321 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:23,799 designing. 322 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:25,679 It would have similar side path. 323 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:26,240 >> Okay. 324 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,720 >> 380, we got funding from COG on that one. 325 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,710 That project is a little ways away but 380 between Mayhill 326 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:39,320 and all the way to-- 327 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,039 what's that area called? 328 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:44,240 The park, the Greenbelt. 329 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,440 So from Mayhill all the way to Greenbelt north side, 330 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,960 there will be a side path that we're secured funding for. 331 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,200 So there are several coming on board but the timing is that 332 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,559 we're-- 333 00:16:56,559 --> 00:16:58,200 I think Mayhill would be the first one. 334 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,720 This will come after that. 335 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,960 >> So this will be the first retrofitted side-- 336 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,360 >> Yes. 337 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,200 >> Side path and then-- 338 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:03,759 >> Correct. 339 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,700 >> Okay. And so with 10 feet, is it anticipated that will 340 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:09,759 it have two-way bike traffic 341 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:11,559 on that single side path then? 342 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:12,200 >> Correct. 343 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,279 >> Okay. 344 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:14,799 >> It will be marked that way. 345 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,799 It will have a dividing yellow line. 346 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:19,599 >> Okay. 347 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,200 >> When do we start on Welch with this? 348 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,200 >> When do we start on Welch with the project? 349 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,200 >> Yeah. 350 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,279 >> Yeah. It's-- as we said, once the agreements are done, 351 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:34,279 we'll get the design completed. 352 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:38,750 So it will start at the-- the design will start at the same 353 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:40,079 time as Sycamore. 354 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:46,089 So most likely Welch will go in first because it's more 355 00:17:46,089 --> 00:17:46,559 paint 356 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:50,200 on the pavement as opposed to actual construction. 357 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:56,420 So it would be a project that would go in later this year 358 00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:58,319 or early next year. 359 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:00,640 And then Sycamore will follow. 360 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,960 >> And what do you plan on finishing off Hickory? 361 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:05,839 >> That's a good question. 362 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:08,920 I don't have the schedule for Hickory but it's online 363 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:09,599 somewhere. 364 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:15,269 And I think it should be done end of this year or early 365 00:18:15,269 --> 00:18:16,799 next year. 366 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:20,000 [ Pause ] 367 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,440 >> I can check that. 368 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,680 >> I'll be happy to do it in the end. 369 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,240 >> Yes. We'll find out the schedule for Hickory Street. 370 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,400 >> It's all for Karen's question. 371 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,880 >> Okay. Thank you. 372 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,559 So if this side path works well and Sycamore, are there 373 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:35,000 other-- 374 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,519 do you have other areas that you might be thinking about 375 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:40,440 retrofitting in the core? 376 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,319 >> That's a good question. 377 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,000 We're working on updating our bike plan. 378 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,880 We secured funding from last fiscal. 379 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,880 So start of '18-'19 we got funded for an amount of 40 or $ 380 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,039 50,000 for a bike plan update. 381 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:59,680 So we're going through a process firing consultant. 382 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,980 But what we're looking at is we're looking at a total 383 00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:05,839 mobility plan update 384 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:07,759 which will have different components. 385 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:10,920 Currently we don't have a thrower plan, a bike plan, a 386 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:11,880 pedestrian plan. 387 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,599 We don't have them as separate entities. 388 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:15,960 They need to be separate. 389 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,500 So we're going through a process of identifying and 390 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,400 selecting consultants. 391 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,319 Once we have them on board then we'll start updating. 392 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:27,430 But definitely we want to look at more side paths, more 393 00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:29,319 side path projects, yes. 394 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:33,359 >> Okay. All right. 395 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,680 Any other questions about this item? 396 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,359 All right. 397 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,200 We'll move on to another long label here. 398 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:50,420 Item 1E, TSC 18-017, receive a report, hold discussion and 399 00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:52,079 make a recommendation 400 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:56,039 to city council for approval of the termination agreement 401 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:58,559 for first precinct bike lanes 402 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:03,089 and approval of an interlocal cooperation agreement between 403 00:20:03,089 --> 00:20:04,640 the city of Denton 404 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,259 and Denton County, Texas related to the engineering and 405 00:20:09,259 --> 00:20:10,319 construction 406 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:15,200 of bicycle facility along Hercules Lane between Loca Street 407 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,640 and Sherman Drive 408 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,160 within the municipal limits of the city 409 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,079 and Denton County Commissioner Precinct Number 1, period. 410 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:31,759 Sorry about the title but it has to be that long. 411 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:35,759 Yeah, this project actually started way back in 2011. 412 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:41,279 November of 2011 we first executed the-- we first got 413 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:42,559 approved through the ordinance 414 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:45,359 and executed the previous version of this particular 415 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,160 agreement. 416 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:52,150 We got funding from Denton County Commissioner Precinct 1 417 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:53,559 for bike facility 418 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:55,599 within that particular precinct. 419 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:58,920 And back in the day we identified a project. 420 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:05,960 It was along Pennsylvania Avenue in Southridge neighborhood 421 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,000 . 422 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,619 And when residents found out about it, they were completely 423 00:21:10,619 --> 00:21:11,079 opposed 424 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:12,160 to that particular project. 425 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,930 They did not want any bicycle facilities running through 426 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:16,000 their neighborhood. 427 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,990 So then that project was shelved and then we held on to the 428 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,640 agreement. 429 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,200 We never received any money from the county all these years 430 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:26,200 . 431 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,200 So we held on to the agreement. 432 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,400 We had to go back, re-identify other projects. 433 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,279 So we came back with Hercules Lane and the county agreed, 434 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:38,359 okay let's move forward with this particular one. 435 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,079 So what we have to do is since the agreement was signed for 436 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:43,039 one particular project, 437 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:46,950 we have to cancel the original existing agreement and then 438 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:48,599 we have to sign the new one 439 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:50,880 with this Hercules Lane project. 440 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,920 And that's the item in front of you today. 441 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,720 We're going to get $50,000 from the county and our match is 442 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,119 going to be $50,000. 443 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,759 Our match is coming from our bike fund which typically we 444 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:06,759 get $200,000 every year. 445 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:09,799 So $50,000 won't be a big deal. 446 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:12,720 And given that there's a lot of development going on in 447 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,440 this particular area on the north side, 448 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,859 Hercules Lane is in some portions it's a wide street, some 449 00:22:19,859 --> 00:22:20,720 parts it's narrow. 450 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,769 So we're working on working with developers to make the 451 00:22:25,769 --> 00:22:27,759 other halves whole 452 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,759 but at the same time we need some kind of bike facility. 453 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:35,400 So based on the money that we received, we will come up 454 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,799 with a plan to-- 455 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,480 we'll come up with a design to put in bike facility along 456 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,079 this particular stretch of Hercules. 457 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:46,960 And I think that's it. 458 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:52,099 We request that you recommend a council approval of the 459 00:22:52,099 --> 00:22:54,160 termination agreement 460 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,440 and council approval of the new agreement. 461 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,799 The length of the project is going to be 12 months. 462 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,359 Any questions? 463 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,240 >> Are there sidewalks along that whole route? 464 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,039 >> That's a good question we can find out but-- 465 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,619 >> Yes, it appears that on the south side fairly and then 466 00:23:35,619 --> 00:23:37,200 it's a mix and match, 467 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,279 some of them don't have on the south. 468 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:40,400 >> Right. 469 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,430 >> But up until Stewart and then this side, I think this 470 00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:46,319 development will play a big role 471 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:50,460 but once it goes in we'll get the right way that's needed 472 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:52,000 to go all the way. 473 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,259 So most likely it may happen that if we're waiting for this 474 00:23:55,259 --> 00:23:58,079 developer there will be some compromise 475 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:00,960 and what goes in here we may have to look at, you know, 476 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,480 restricting parking on one side 477 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,460 and doing some creative thinking there until the 478 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:06,960 development goes in. 479 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,349 And then the rest of them we can put in, definitely this 480 00:24:11,349 --> 00:24:13,440 section we can put in bike lanes. 481 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,200 Yeah, the section that's developed has sidewalks. 482 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,480 >> Okay. 483 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,400 >> Yes. 484 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,480 >> How do they defend bicycle facility? 485 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:33,529 >> It's either a bike lane, a shared, share or shared use 486 00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:36,400 lane which means it has markings 487 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,380 on the pavement saying that this is a share or that's also 488 00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:40,480 a bike facility. 489 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:46,200 It could be an off street bicycle multi-use trail. 490 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,200 So those are the different types of facilities. 491 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,299 >> So would this not be a candidate for a share path or you 492 00:24:56,299 --> 00:24:58,079 just don't know yet which-- 493 00:24:58,079 --> 00:24:59,799 >> Exactly, that's what it is. 494 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:01,680 It could be a combination of everything. 495 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,000 >> Okay. 496 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,660 >> It could be some locations we will put in a lane and 497 00:25:05,660 --> 00:25:06,680 then it transitions 498 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,839 into a share row and then continues. 499 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:13,460 Until these developments come in and we develop, it'll be a 500 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:13,799 -- 501 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:17,470 that's the toughest part is these developments need to come 502 00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:17,920 in. 503 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,359 >> Okay, what are those that have parcels zoned? 504 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,359 >> These? 505 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,799 >> The undeveloped parcels. 506 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:24,680 >> That's a good question. 507 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,640 I do not know. 508 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,680 >> Sorry, what was the question? 509 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,190 >> What are the-- what is the zoning for the missing parc 510 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:31,599 els? 511 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:36,130 >> Right, because that kind of dictate what type of bike 512 00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:39,440 facilities would be best. 513 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,160 >> Let's find out. 514 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,720 [ Inaudible Remark ] 515 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,799 >> Are they? 516 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:47,279 >> Oh. 517 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:48,000 >> Okay. 518 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,680 [ Inaudible Remark ] 519 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,319 >> Oh, okay. 520 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,519 >> The ones over by Sherman. 521 00:25:54,519 --> 00:26:09,079 [ Inaudible Remark ] 522 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:10,599 >> There's a sign there that says commercial. 523 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,240 >> This is commercial. 524 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:41,799 [ Inaudible Remark ] 525 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,920 >> The number of questions that they ask. 526 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,599 Yeah, I'm trying to pull up a zoning map which the city 527 00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:50,640 website, internal website has it. 528 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:25,240 [ Inaudible Remark ] 529 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,119 >> NR6. 530 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,920 >> Oh, okay. 531 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:36,319 [ Inaudible Remark ] 532 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:40,920 >> And a little pocket of NR3 in there. 533 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,960 >> Okay, but that's all-- 534 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960 >> NR6, NR3 here. 535 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,119 >> And an NR2. 536 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,720 >> NR2. 537 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,519 >> That one. 538 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:48,440 Yeah, that one. 539 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,440 [ Inaudible Remark ] 540 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,599 >> Yeah, and they won't stay there. 541 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,140 >> Yeah, I just didn't know where the commercial began, so 542 00:27:56,140 --> 00:27:57,240 this is all. 543 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,519 >> Okay. 544 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:07,400 [ Inaudible Remark ] 545 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,920 >> Okay, any other question? 546 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,960 Maybe that was just for my own amusement. 547 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,759 I'm sorry, pretend. 548 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:13,880 >> That's okay. 549 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,400 That's okay. 550 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,910 >> Okay, does anybody else have any other questions about 551 00:28:18,910 --> 00:28:22,920 this motion for approve-- 552 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,640 recommend approval to city council? 553 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,240 >> So moved. 554 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,960 >> Second. 555 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,640 >> Everyone in favor? 556 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,000 >> Aye. 557 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,039 >> All right, passed unanimously. 558 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:45,319 >> Okay, next we have 1F, TSC 18-018 to receive a report 559 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,210 and hold a discussion regarding pavement art and its use as 560 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:52,039 a traffic calming technique. 561 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,839 >> This is a very interesting topic. 562 00:28:54,839 --> 00:29:01,130 This was brought up and requested by Council Member Begheri 563 00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:01,519 in one 564 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,880 of the mobility meetings, mobility committee meetings. 565 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:10,220 And she had seen some use and she wanted to find out what's 566 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:11,400 going on, 567 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,880 what is exactly-- what does this entail? 568 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,470 So we kind of did some research and what exactly is traffic 569 00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:19,279 calming art? 570 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,960 So what's the concept? 571 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,640 The concept primarily is three-dimensional objects painted 572 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,000 on the pavement 573 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,839 that typically drivers react to. 574 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:35,690 And it's based on their initial perception and based on 575 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:37,160 that, they slow down. 576 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,160 So that's-- when they react to their initial perception, 577 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,720 they slow down. 578 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,720 That's how traffic calming is achieved with the element of 579 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,519 surprise and the novelty factor. 580 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:55,599 So what are the pros of putting in art? 581 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,960 And this is a pretty decent picture here. 582 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,759 It helps you slow down. 583 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,279 It can be installed really quickly. 584 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,160 It's a low-cost alternative. 585 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,630 And then it's initially effective in reducing the speed, 586 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:15,039 but later on, you can educate people. 587 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,440 So those are the pros. 588 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,000 There are definitely cons to this. 589 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,240 And this is something-- it's a con. 590 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,680 You shouldn't be putting that on the pavement. 591 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,759 Yeah, I wouldn't do that. 592 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,029 But it's a very temporary solution, the reason being if you 593 00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:34,279 're spending a few hundred 594 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,720 or a few thousand dollars to put it in, it won't last you 595 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,240 more than a year, 596 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,259 year and a half at the most given the Texas temperature and 597 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:44,720 especially northern Texas, 598 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,569 our temperature variations, the rain and everything 599 00:30:48,569 --> 00:30:49,559 together. 600 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,720 Typically, pavement markings don't go beyond two years. 601 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,049 If you're talking art, it'd probably go a year and a half 602 00:30:56,049 --> 00:30:57,000 at the most. 603 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,759 It's a very short lifespan. 604 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,920 It's ineffective-- same thing that I talked. 605 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,240 And then nighttime, there is an issue with visibility. 606 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,750 It won't show up if the street is-- or that particular 607 00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:12,559 portion is not lighted up. 608 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,210 And then the main concern that we have is it does not 609 00:31:16,210 --> 00:31:18,920 comply with federal guidelines. 610 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:25,279 Federal guidelines has specified only two colors should be 611 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:25,839 used 612 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:28,640 and then they have accepted or approved a third one. 613 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,240 So the first one is white, the second one is yellow, 614 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,410 and then the third one they recently approved is green for 615 00:31:35,410 --> 00:31:36,200 bicycles. 616 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,569 So those are the only three approved colors federal 617 00:31:40,569 --> 00:31:45,720 guidelines allow in order to guide drivers 618 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,079 or give them some direction or control traffic or give them 619 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:49,920 message. 620 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,440 Only those three colors are allowed. 621 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:58,039 So that's the issue that we have with this particular art. 622 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:02,440 So it's a thing that we're exploring. 623 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,519 I think what council wanted to look at is spending the 624 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:06,720 public art money 625 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640 in doing something like this. 626 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,960 There are two aspects. 627 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,359 This is-- the traffic calming effect is part one 628 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,190 but just giving an aesthetically pleasing entrance to 629 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:18,519 certain areas. 630 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:22,200 I mean, if you're talking about-- if you painted in-- 631 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,579 as an entrance to downtown square or something, that's a 632 00:32:25,579 --> 00:32:26,400 different story 633 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,480 and that's a different way of doing it. 634 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,980 But this-- the actual traffic calming staff doesn't 635 00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:34,160 recommend it 636 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,839 but we're presenting it to council at some point. 637 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:40,839 But I really wanted the committee to know what's going on 638 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,680 and we talked about it in mobility 639 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,769 and yeah, we're going to do something in front of council 640 00:32:47,769 --> 00:32:50,480 at some point but not yet. 641 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920 Any questions? 642 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,519 >> Under what applications is that most common? 643 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,880 Like coming up to a stop sign or yield sign or not? 644 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,039 I mean, not with a stop sign or yield sign in the area. 645 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:04,359 Is that the purpose to-- 646 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,839 >> So this common application for example here across walks 647 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,799 is more prevalent in cities 648 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:16,069 where there's a lot of pedestrian traffic where it becomes 649 00:33:16,069 --> 00:33:18,160 a thing that if you're a visitor 650 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,849 to that particular area or downtown area, people that don't 651 00:33:21,849 --> 00:33:23,039 take it every day, 652 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,880 those are the people that actually slow down to look at it 653 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,960 or will-- they have an effect. 654 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,000 So they-- and there is a lot of pedestrian traffic so it 655 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200 actually helps pedestrians 656 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,519 so that creates a more safer environment. 657 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,170 So that's the application if it's in the middle of 658 00:33:42,170 --> 00:33:43,799 residential neighborhood, 659 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,619 I mean after the first couple of weeks no one would notice 660 00:33:46,619 --> 00:33:47,799 it because they're like, yeah, 661 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,920 I know that, I'm going to just drive over it. 662 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,039 I drive over it every day. 663 00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,640 Any other questions? 664 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,750 >> Do you have any idea what that looks like for a 665 00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:02,000 pedestrian? 666 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,759 Would they be able to see that that's a crosswalk from the 667 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:06,400 side? 668 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,460 >> It looks like a-- I mean I don't have a comparison like 669 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:11,920 this but it will most likely look 670 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,159 like that for a pedestrian flat. 671 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,079 It has to be a certain angle when you're approaching it. 672 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:21,719 It doesn't give you a 3D effect if you're not approaching 673 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,159 it. 674 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,789 >> I just wonder if it is not useful for pedestrians to 675 00:34:25,789 --> 00:34:28,079 know where the crosswalk is. 676 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,389 >> No, I think it's-- this is a better way of showing them 677 00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:32,760 crosswalk as opposed to this 678 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,780 but this is more for-- this whole shading effect is more 679 00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:38,199 for the driver. 680 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,360 >> Any questions? 681 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,599 >> Any questions? 682 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:52,989 >> OK. If not, that brings us to our favorite, the 1GTSC 18 683 00:34:52,989 --> 00:34:59,079 -019 staff reports, the matrix. 684 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:04,079 >> OK. 685 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,039 >> And how's everything looking there? 686 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:13,519 >> Yes, I think the first few items-- let's see. 687 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:18,369 Yeah, part of the downtown parking working group, they're 688 00:35:18,369 --> 00:35:20,440 still discussing valley 689 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,039 and loading zones so that's still under consideration but 690 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,480 there's no plan to move forward yet. 691 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Small area plan, I think you probably know more than I do 692 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,360 about the small area plan 693 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,179 but it's moving and once that some decisions are made 694 00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:41,000 especially parking, what I heard loud 695 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,760 and clear was parking was the main issue and everyone's 696 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,719 pointing it out 697 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:51,030 so obviously there will be some kind of plan to tackle it 698 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:53,480 and address it so. 699 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,880 Same thing, Fannin Street is in the same area and it will 700 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,760 be definitely at that-- 701 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,360 at those intersections and on Fannin it will be addressed. 702 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360 Old North and University, northbound visibility. 703 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,320 We're currently working on project to add left turn lanes. 704 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,079 I think the primary concern here was people are going 705 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:17,960 around people 706 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,469 that are waiting to make the left so they're in a through 707 00:36:21,469 --> 00:36:22,679 left lane 708 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,239 and they're swinging so it makes difficult for the person 709 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,440 on the other side 710 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,269 to know what their intentions of the driver on the opposite 711 00:36:30,269 --> 00:36:31,000 side is so. 712 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,440 >> I'm almost out of the way here in that intersection. 713 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,079 >> Oh my God. 714 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:40,460 Yes, so we are in the design phase for adding left turn 715 00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:42,280 lanes in both north-south directions. 716 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,000 I think southbound is easier. 717 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,230 It already has a right turn lane so we might think of 718 00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:48,400 switching 719 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,239 and making a right through lane and then a left only. 720 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:58,230 So that might be an alternative but northbound needs some 721 00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:58,920 expansion 722 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,719 because of the great change. 723 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,969 So that's part of the project that we're going to-- we're 724 00:37:02,969 --> 00:37:04,639 working on it's under design. 725 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:10,360 So the schedule on that one, we will most likely go to 726 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,519 construction by October this year. 727 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,400 That's the schedule. 728 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,039 >> I'm in there till October. 729 00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,320 >> I'll see what I can do. 730 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,360 >> Only this summer. 731 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,880 >> I'll only turn right there if I can help it. 732 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,800 Just going straight across, you can't see what's coming. 733 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,320 >> Old Alton, that one, yeah, I looked at it and we don't 734 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,880 have any jurisdiction 735 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,920 over that particular bridge right there. 736 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,280 It's a very gray area. 737 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,559 I think we're in the county and then we're in the city, 738 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:44,400 part of it in the county. 739 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,559 So that is still up in the air. 740 00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:50,880 We can't really do anything at this point. 741 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,159 I've communicated this with the county but they really don 742 00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:54,920 't seem to have 743 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,119 that as their priority for some reason. 744 00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:04,110 Mingo Road between Bell and Old North, this is a much 745 00:38:04,110 --> 00:38:06,079 bigger project primarily 746 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,639 because of the drainage issues. 747 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,500 There is a big ditch on one side and then railroad on the 748 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,119 other side. 749 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,360 We don't have right of way on the railroad side. 750 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,369 It's not going to happen that we would ever get right of 751 00:38:18,369 --> 00:38:18,639 way. 752 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:22,289 So all the right of way has to come from the north side of 753 00:38:22,289 --> 00:38:23,039 Mingo. 754 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:28,630 So what we're in discussions with city management is Mingo 755 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:30,440 would become a bigger street 756 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,239 and we'll take it to council at that point. 757 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,360 But we're thinking of Mingo from Bell Place all the way to 758 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,760 university 759 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,309 or where it meets Old North, at least to that portion, to 760 00:38:45,309 --> 00:38:47,480 the channel that it was shut 761 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,400 down at, the bridge part. 762 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,050 We're going to take that and create a bigger project and 763 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:55,840 then most likely fund it 764 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,320 through the next bond program. 765 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,880 But in the meantime, we're working with TWU to see if we 766 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,440 can put a path right 767 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,840 by the fence or something in the meantime. 768 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,519 So we haven't reached a solution yet. 769 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,559 Forward Drive at Collins Left Turn. 770 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:20,199 So this intersection, this particular one is being studied 771 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,000 and I looked 772 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,440 at the preliminary results of the analysis and that 773 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,039 intersection has been flagged 774 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:32,239 as needing some improvements and most likely the left turn 775 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,239 lanes would be one 776 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,519 of the additions that would happen there. 777 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:42,000 But it's a bigger project and I think the funding will come 778 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,599 through a joint something between UNT and the city. 779 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,880 Met Park. 780 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:57,559 Yeah, we are working with actually the medical city folks 781 00:39:57,559 --> 00:39:58,920 and we're working with them. 782 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,440 We're going to cut the speed bump into speed cushions and 783 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:02,760 that's going 784 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,320 to happen in the next week or so. 785 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,960 We already have talked with street crews and they're on 786 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,840 board. 787 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,280 McKinney Sidewalk. 788 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:19,000 We-- it is on a list and that list is out for design. 789 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,800 So once we get a consultant on board, we'll design and put 790 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,199 that in next six to eight months. 791 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:30,159 It's under the 2018 Sidewalk package. 792 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,750 The Sidewalk and Calhoun just got added to the list so most 793 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:35,039 likely that will go 794 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:39,659 to the 2019 Sidewalk package and-- but the 2019 Sidewalk 795 00:40:39,659 --> 00:40:41,400 package doesn't have funds 796 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,800 for construction so we just have money to design. 797 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,909 We'll get a design and then we'll ask for more money from 798 00:40:48,909 --> 00:40:49,800 council. 799 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,760 And I think there are other avenues. 800 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,690 I think we're going to pursue some SRTS grants for this 801 00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:57,400 particular-- 802 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,760 for the Sidewalk project because it's right by the middle 803 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,239 school. 804 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,519 So it qualifies much more than any other Sidewalk. 805 00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:10,369 >> At what point is the school district liable for the Side 806 00:41:10,369 --> 00:41:11,159 walk? 807 00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,119 Do not? 808 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,199 >> We-- it's a state entity. 809 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:16,800 We can't force them. 810 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,400 They'll do it around their perimeter. 811 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,099 Most of the times they do it, for example, Geyer High 812 00:41:23,099 --> 00:41:23,480 School 813 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,119 and all the newer development that goes in. 814 00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:32,559 But existing things that's not-- it becomes city problem. 815 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,119 >> OK. Because the only reason that that potential for the 816 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,719 Sidewalk was on my radar 817 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,699 because-- was because this was part of a discussion when I 818 00:41:40,699 --> 00:41:40,840 was 819 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,239 on P&Z number of years ago. 820 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,500 And I remember when there was a Sidewalk that's added to 821 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:48,719 the west side 822 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,530 of the ball diamond at Denton High and that was part of the 823 00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:54,440 discussion 824 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,880 that they would put the Sidewalk in on that west side of 825 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,000 the ball diamond. 826 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,840 And that's there but I've been waiting for that Sidewalk. 827 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,960 So they can say, "Forget." 828 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,519 Or maybe it was a-- if we get around to it, we'll do that. 829 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,150 >> Maybe next bond package if we can add a bunch of Side 830 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:12,559 walks next to schools. 831 00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,079 >> Maybe. 832 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,039 OK. 833 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:17,440 >> D-I-S-T. 834 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,840 >> Yeah. 835 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,400 >> North Hickory Street. 836 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,039 This one definitely it's on our radar. 837 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:25,320 It was pointed out. 838 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,800 We have some monies for ADA ramps. 839 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,260 And I think we have a street lighting project going through 840 00:42:33,260 --> 00:42:33,760 that area. 841 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,650 So most likely once that happens or as part of that project 842 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:37,760 , 843 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:44,239 we can make sure that that driveway ramps are in place. 844 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,159 So it's at that particular driveway, correct? 845 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,099 It's an entrance to the front here-- frontier driveway 846 00:42:50,099 --> 00:42:51,760 parking lot. 847 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,599 And then the last one, Valley Dumpsters. 848 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:05,269 This one-- I'm not to discuss the options available to the 849 00:43:05,269 --> 00:43:06,159 areas. 850 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:11,269 We're going to-- I saw your email response to Sarah and I'm 851 00:43:11,269 --> 00:43:13,199 not sure-- 852 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,440 we'll try and talk to them. 853 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,199 Is Soledad going to talk to them? 854 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:19,320 Great. Go ahead. 855 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,519 >> If I can respond. 856 00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:26,320 Solid Waste has worked with me recently on the dumpsters. 857 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:32,940 So they're happy to contact them again to see if maybe a 858 00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:35,639 different option. 859 00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,719 But they said the dumpsters were released recently and they 860 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:40,880 're where they're-- 861 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,590 they're perfectly liable to keep-- or appropriate to keep 862 00:43:44,590 --> 00:43:46,400 them where they are. 863 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,059 So there are other options and they're definitely willing 864 00:43:51,059 --> 00:43:53,119 to contact the residents 865 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,320 to find out that's what they would like to do. 866 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,989 But there might be additional costs associated with 867 00:43:58,989 --> 00:44:01,320 something else such as carts. 868 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,760 They'd have to have staff to put the carts so they could be 869 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,199 emptied. 870 00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:08,400 Whereas the dumpster just sits there all the time. 871 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,500 But those are their options and they have offered them 872 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:15,800 other avenues. 873 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,139 So if that's something that you'd wish that the city did 874 00:44:19,139 --> 00:44:21,039 contact to see if they could work 875 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:25,639 out something better, we'd be happy to ask them to do that. 876 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,840 But as is, they're well within the rights. 877 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,639 >> OK. 878 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,760 >> It's just an aesthetical issue. 879 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,119 I understand though. 880 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:39,079 >> Yeah. And sometimes I might think that, you know, in 881 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,440 some of the small apartment complexes 882 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,309 or, you know, triplexes that maybe the system for taking 883 00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,159 care of trash was in place-- 884 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,079 have been in place for 25 years and they just haven't been 885 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,679 -- they haven't rethought it. 886 00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:53,880 >> Right. 887 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,159 >> And so sometimes it's good to just have somebody say, 888 00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,079 you can think about this issue again 889 00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:02,000 and there might be a choice that is better. 890 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,260 >> Yeah, we'll be happy to have city staff contact them to 891 00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:06,679 update them on their options 892 00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,599 because some of those options are new now that might 893 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:10,679 actually work better. 894 00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:12,679 So we'll be happy to contact them. 895 00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:12,880 >> OK. 896 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,829 >> The construction-- reconstruction of Hickory reconfig 897 00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:20,000 ured that area? 898 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,079 I mean, because there'll be new streets and then new 899 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:25,280 sidewalks. 900 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,199 I don't remember where the dumpster is there. 901 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:28,480 >> Close to Carroll. 902 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,039 It's in the-- there's 10 units close to Carroll. 903 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,719 So I don't know. 904 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,860 >> Because obviously with ADA, you can't have dumpsters on 905 00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:39,800 the sidewalks. 906 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,000 >> Right. 907 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,880 >> So they're rebuilding the sidewalks. 908 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,239 >> Right. 909 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,000 >> Are they going to have to move anything? 910 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,760 Could we use it as an excuse for them to move things? 911 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,079 [ Laughter ] 912 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:52,440 >> I don't know. 913 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,119 >> We'll try. 914 00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:58,119 >> OK. Does anybody else have anything to add to the matrix 915 00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:58,440 ? 916 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,639 >> I got one. 917 00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:05,199 >> So, Jim, I'm looking at it and I want to make sure I 918 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:06,400 understand it. 919 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,460 >> You're talking about the area in front of the fire hyd 920 00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:10,000 rant? 921 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,840 >> No. If you're going towards downtown. 922 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,320 >> Right. 923 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,519 >> The copy shop is on the left. 924 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:19,559 >> Uh-huh. 925 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,119 >> Over here-- yeah, well, there's a fire hydrant. 926 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,079 But that-- could you put the Google map? 927 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,119 >> Yes. I'll put it up. 928 00:46:36,400 --> 00:47:01,679 [ Silence ] 929 00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:02,440 >> Perfect. 930 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,039 Yeah. OK. 931 00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:06,639 Right there on the right-hand side. 932 00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:12,960 >> Is this particular section or this is the one-- 933 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,679 >> Right there. 934 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:18,719 The last legal parking spot is one car up there. 935 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,519 Do you see the white line? 936 00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:25,039 OK. They park between that white line and the crosswalk, 937 00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:26,639 the white crosswalk there. 938 00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,400 >> In front of the fire hydrant? 939 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:28,880 >> Uh-huh. 940 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,079 >> Yeah. 941 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:29,880 >> Which is illegal. 942 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,920 >> I can corroborate that. 943 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,519 >> Yes. 944 00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:32,440 >> This is illegal. 945 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,079 And today, it was on the other side too, right in front of 946 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,280 the car print shop. 947 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,639 Just like that guy. 948 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:40,639 OK. 949 00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:41,639 >> Wow. 950 00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:45,599 >> So, what happens is I'm driving a 35-foot bus. 951 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,219 And I-- and if I stop behind the crosswalk, put the cross 952 00:47:50,219 --> 00:47:52,840 walk up to take the right turn. 953 00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,039 If I stop at the crosswalk, they've got enough space there. 954 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,280 I'm over in the lane, I'm in the road. 955 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,719 But what happened, I had an accident there. 956 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,519 It was non-preventable and the cop gave him a ticket. 957 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:13,000 But he was in that spot and of course, I had my turn signal 958 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,800 on. 959 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,769 But I'm moving and I'm turning right and he comes out with 960 00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:20,480 me and he's in my blind spot, 961 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,119 you know, so I crushed him against the-- 962 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:23,760 >> This pole? 963 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,679 >> -- against the side there. 964 00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:26,840 No, it was further up on the turn. 965 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,159 >> Oh, around this corner. 966 00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,480 >> Yeah, right there, right there. 967 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,480 And what happens is, that's bad. 968 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,480 But once I turn, Jimmy Johns, they're not parking. 969 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,719 They're parked illegally. 970 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,800 They're staying too far out this way. 971 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,469 So, I have to swing way over to the left to get around the 972 00:48:47,469 --> 00:48:49,440 last car that's parked there. 973 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,800 That's one too many, you know, towards me. 974 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,500 So, what I was asking him is, of course, I said put a big 975 00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:59,719 rock there. 976 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,280 But I don't know what you do in that kind of situation. 977 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,179 But the cop told-- when we had the accident, the cop told 978 00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:09,880 the guy, he says, you know, 979 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,679 you're not-- you weren't-- you came out, you weren't in the 980 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:13,320 roadway. 981 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,639 So, they came-- he comes straight out because he was going 982 00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:17,320 to turn right 983 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,920 and he thought I was going to go straight. 984 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,079 I don't know why he thought that. 985 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,519 But if you do it right and you stop that bus before that 986 00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,280 white line, they've got room there. 987 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480 Which is why I always have to look down and see if there's 988 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,039 somebody sitting 989 00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:35,079 in that driver's seat and see if they're ready to come out. 990 00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:41,110 >> So, first and foremost, I can-- what we can do is 991 00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:43,599 probably add some marking here 992 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:48,289 that says that this area shouldn't be-- if we paint it a 993 00:49:48,289 --> 00:49:49,199 certain way, 994 00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:51,880 they'll still start parking on that paint too. 995 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,719 But I think there are a couple of things. 996 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,119 UNT maintains enforcement in this area. 997 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,440 We have an agreement with UNT to do the parking enforcement 998 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,599 so I can get with them 999 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:06,039 and make sure that they enforce this particular spot. 1000 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,159 >> They're not enforcing any of it on that side. 1001 00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:08,719 >> Yeah. 1002 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,880 >> And they're not chalking the tires. 1003 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,119 They're missing all kinds of revenue. 1004 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:17,079 You know, they just don't have anybody assigned to it. 1005 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:20,059 >> I think the part of the issue is this particular parking 1006 00:50:20,059 --> 00:50:20,679 going away 1007 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,519 and then the meter is being pulled out. 1008 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:24,639 That's the-- 1009 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:25,559 >> That's in our picture. 1010 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:26,639 They are pulled out. 1011 00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:27,920 >> They are pulled out. 1012 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,250 So, the issue is we're-- this particular parking, we're in 1013 00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:32,920 a limbo 1014 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,489 because we're waiting the small area plan to finish for 1015 00:50:36,489 --> 00:50:37,679 council to act 1016 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,579 on restricting parking on this side and putting in bike 1017 00:50:40,579 --> 00:50:41,159 lanes. 1018 00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:41,480 >> Right. 1019 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,519 >> That's the whole project. 1020 00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:43,920 >> That came through us. 1021 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,360 >> Correct, but the council didn't approve that one and 1022 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,639 they wanted to wait 1023 00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,480 until the small area plan is done so that they can ban 1024 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,320 parking here 1025 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,760 and then we can move forward and install the bike lanes. 1026 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,559 So, that's where we're at. 1027 00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,519 UNT doesn't care what happens here. 1028 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,320 They don't really want the parking. 1029 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,409 They're happy with the bike lanes but once these meters are 1030 00:51:06,409 --> 00:51:07,199 pulled out, 1031 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,039 I'm not sure if enforcement is being carried out but I can 1032 00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:10,599 check. 1033 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,159 >> So, it's supposed to-- the signs are up to our parking. 1034 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:14,559 Just like-- 1035 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:15,239 >> Signs-- oh, yeah. 1036 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:15,559 >> Just like the square. 1037 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:16,239 >> The signs are up. 1038 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,760 >> Yeah, the signs are up. 1039 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,199 >> What I can do is probably add some paint here and add 1040 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:22,559 some marking, 1041 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,449 hatch marking that-- that way it's clear that-- in white 1042 00:51:25,449 --> 00:51:26,079 paint. 1043 00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:27,880 It's clear that you're not supposed to park here. 1044 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,880 >> Right. Do it on the other side too. 1045 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,480 >> This one is a parking spot if you can see that. 1046 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,159 This is a parking spot. 1047 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,599 >> But that looks yellow on the curb. 1048 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,760 >> It might be a loading zone for this particular-- 1049 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,199 I can take into that. 1050 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:43,800 But there are loading zones that are marked-- 1051 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,929 >> I mean, if people were going to-- you know, if somebody 1052 00:51:45,929 --> 00:51:47,480 was going to turn left, 1053 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,280 that might be a problem to them. 1054 00:51:54,559 --> 00:52:00,280 >> That sure is a-- but you know what happens when you-- 1055 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,610 if it's a parking space, it would be an issue if we start 1056 00:52:03,610 --> 00:52:05,159 eliminating that. 1057 00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:10,119 That just to-- yeah, the businesses that are not going to 1058 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:11,360 like eliminating this particular 1059 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,079 parking spot, the last one. 1060 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:15,400 But this one, we can do something. 1061 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,719 It's fine if I have fire hydrant. 1062 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,000 >> And that is a loading zone over here on the Fry Street 1063 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,400 side that-- where that van is. 1064 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,079 That's-- that is a loading zone. 1065 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:24,639 >> It is. 1066 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:25,239 This one is. 1067 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:25,599 >> So, yeah. 1068 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,000 So they do have that loading zone. 1069 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,909 But the plate-- the park-- the non-parking spot that Jim is 1070 00:52:31,909 --> 00:52:32,960 talking about, 1071 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,159 if there's somebody in there, since that's right in front 1072 00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:36,239 of my office, 1073 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,639 it's somebody in there all the time. 1074 00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:39,039 >> This-- yes. 1075 00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,360 >> On the other side. 1076 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,000 Over on the-- on the campus side, yeah, that little spot. 1077 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,570 I even had-- today, I was crossing the street and I even 1078 00:52:46,570 --> 00:52:48,079 had to look to-- 1079 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,230 before I came to think, is this really-- it's not a parking 1080 00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:51,519 spot. 1081 00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:51,719 >> It's not. 1082 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,119 >> Because there's somebody always in that spot. 1083 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:54,199 >> Fire hydrant is there. 1084 00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:59,159 You can't be within 15 feet of a fire hydrant. 1085 00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:02,599 But we can stripe it white. 1086 00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:03,760 >> Got a lot riding. 1087 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,679 >> That's going to throw people off a little bit. 1088 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:07,440 They think it's a loading zone. 1089 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,239 But loading zones are yellow. 1090 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,079 >> Got a lot riding on that small area plan, don't we? 1091 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,480 >> A lot riding on that one. 1092 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,719 >> A lot of pressure. 1093 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,239 >> We better fix the world in that. 1094 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,079 Okay. Yeah, I'll add this to the matrix and-- 1095 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,840 >> Thank you. 1096 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,840 >> All right. 1097 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,000 Does anybody have anything else for the matrix? 1098 00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,880 >> Speaking of-- I have to check to see if the-- 1099 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,360 whatever happened to the-- I slept since then. 1100 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,210 Speaking of the Fry Street area, what happened with the 1101 00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:45,159 speed change? 1102 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:49,190 Was it one of the business owners going to come back with a 1103 00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:51,000 report or a petition? 1104 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,199 >> I think we did a study twice. 1105 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:53,920 >> You did? 1106 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,320 >> Yeah. 1107 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:54,559 >> Okay. 1108 00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,440 >> It was not recommended to change. 1109 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,360 >> Yeah. 1110 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,039 >> She was going to take a survey or something. 1111 00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:03,000 >> Okay. 1112 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,000 >> Yeah. It came back through and we changed and-- 1113 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000 >> Okay. 1114 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,719 >> Yeah, that's fine. 1115 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,440 Okay. If there are no other items to the matrix-- 1116 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,559 >> Motion to adjourn. 1117 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,039 >> Everybody's ready to go. 1118 00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,079 All right. 1119 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,360 Seconded? 1120 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,639 >> Second. 1121 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,920 >> And we are adjourning at 626. 1122 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,440 Thank you everybody. 1123 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,119 >> Wow, within the hour. 1124 00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:48,039 [ Silence ]