WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.219 It is now 4 p.m. We are in the City Council work session 00:00:05.219 --> 00:00:05.440 room. 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.759 All right 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.820 Looking around do we definitely have a core a quorum for 00:00:11.820 --> 00:00:13.039 today's meeting? 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.510 So we are all set to go. What I'd like to do is go ahead 00:00:16.510 --> 00:00:18.640 and convene into a work session. 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:24.640 Do we have a motion to convene into a work session? 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.670 Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? We have a 00:00:29.670 --> 00:00:32.759 second for Mr. Cole. All right, we are now in the 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:35.479 part of our agenda. That's a work session. 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:39.340 Work session is clarification of agenda items listed on the 00:00:39.340 --> 00:00:39.679 regular 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.880 meeting portion of the agenda and to discuss issues of not 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.420 briefed in the written backup materials. 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.979 And then following the completion of the work session the Z 00:00:48.979 --> 00:00:52.460 oning Board of Adjustment will convene into a regular 00:00:52.460 --> 00:00:53.799 meeting to consider 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:58.479 the items. All right, are there is there any clarification 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.439 relating to today's 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.000 agenda items and we have 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:07.799 on it 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.280 two different matters one is 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.290 consider and appoint members of the Zoning Board of Adjust 00:01:13.290 --> 00:01:16.950 ment for the chair and the vice chair position and then the 00:01:16.950 --> 00:01:18.019 second is ZBA 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:23.040 17-009 which is consider approval of the 2018 Zoning Board 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:23.159 of 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:27.530 Adjustment calendar. So we have three matters and then we 00:01:27.530 --> 00:01:28.760 have a public hearing. 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.019 Do any of the commissioners wish to discuss any of those 00:01:34.019 --> 00:01:34.400 items? 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.180 Chair, if I can address that. You can't address that 00:01:49.180 --> 00:01:50.239 because I'm not sure why either. 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.159 That is that's just an opportunity for 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.040 the board to provide any 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.140 concluding items any items that they would like to see at a 00:02:00.140 --> 00:02:01.400 future meeting. 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.810 So it's just an opportunity to discuss any items again that 00:02:04.810 --> 00:02:06.879 the board would like to see at a future. 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.199 It will be it that's a standing item. 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.199 I don't really remember it being on the last 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:19.729 notice, but maybe it was and we just ignored it. I don't 00:02:19.729 --> 00:02:20.719 know. So 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.680 it's just a standing item again. It gives us the legal 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:27.560 item away to 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.289 receive input and provide some request. As far as the work 00:02:31.289 --> 00:02:33.960 session if there's no item on the work session or 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.069 questions that we would like to discuss during the work 00:02:36.069 --> 00:02:38.460 session we can go ahead and straight into the regular 00:02:38.460 --> 00:02:39.039 meeting. 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.939 Okay, anybody else any other comments? Thank you, Mr. Higg 00:02:43.939 --> 00:02:44.159 ins. 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.740 Okay, do I hear a motion to move to to close the work 00:02:52.740 --> 00:02:53.879 session? 00:02:57.960 --> 00:02:59.960 Okay. 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:02.960 All right, do we have a second? 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.080 We have a second all in favor? 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.169 I'm not sure whether we have to close or open it, but but I 00:03:11.169 --> 00:03:12.479 'm doing it I did it anyway. 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.520 So all right, so we're gonna convene now at 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.560 4 into the regular meeting and 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.509 let's go ahead and start with the Pledge of Allegiance if 00:03:23.509 --> 00:03:27.000 everyone would stand. Take off any hats if you have it and 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.099 and our flag is right over here. Ready? Pledge allegiance 00:03:32.099 --> 00:03:34.599 to the flag of the United States of America and to the 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:34.599 Republic for which it stands, one nation under God and ind 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:34.680 ivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.360 Okay, let's go ahead do the Texas flag honor the Texas flag 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:49.360 . 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:59.639 Okay. 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:08.120 All right, our first agenda item is ZBA 17-007. 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.259 Consider approval of the Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting 00:04:11.259 --> 00:04:12.000 minutes and 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.669 that's an attachment under our packet and those are for the 00:04:15.669 --> 00:04:16.639 September 25th 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:22.769 2017 meeting. Has everyone had the opportunity to review 00:04:22.769 --> 00:04:23.759 those minutes? 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:29.639 Do I have a motion to approve them? 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.540 I have a motion for Mr. Higgins and a second from Mr. House 00:04:34.540 --> 00:04:36.800 . Any discussion? 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.519 Hearing no discussion all in favor? 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.199 Aye. 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.230 Motion carries. Okay, let's go to item number three. 00:04:47.230 --> 00:04:48.920 Consider for individual 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:51.680 considerations ZBA 17-008. 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:57.180 Consider and appoint members for the Zoning Board of Adjust 00:04:57.180 --> 00:05:02.160 ment Chair and Vice Chair positions. Okay. 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:12.319 Okay, so at this point we can take nominations 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.660 and then we can kind of go from there and take some 00:05:15.660 --> 00:05:19.199 nominations and go from there. So let's do one at a time. 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.199 Let's go ahead and do the 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.480 chair position first. 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:30.800 Nominating Amber Brighill. 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.120 Is there a second? 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.680 Nomination of Amber Brighill from Mr. Higgins and a second 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.480 from Mr. House. Okay, any discussion? 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:50.759 Oh, we could I'm sorry. Yeah. 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.500 I will be happy to serve at the liberty of the group 00:05:54.500 --> 00:05:57.319 whatever y'all want to do. It's totally fine with me. 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.759 Or not. 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:03.839 I would be honored to serve as the chair, but I also if you 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:06.879 're you're happy doing it, I would also nominate you. 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:09.610 But I also then I don't know do we arm wrestle for this? I 00:06:09.610 --> 00:06:10.279 have no idea. 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.160 A mud bath or something? 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.160 It's whatever. 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.379 Absolutely. Well, I didn't hear anyone else forthcoming at 00:06:23.379 --> 00:06:23.920 the time. 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.839 I don't actually know how the process is. I kind of was at 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:29.000 my first day and 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.699 the first committee meeting I was at somebody nominated me 00:06:32.699 --> 00:06:34.360 and I was like, okay, I guess I'll do that. 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.100 But it's it's totally open. It's no different than anything 00:06:37.100 --> 00:06:39.870 else. It's good to probably have some rotation around as 00:06:39.870 --> 00:06:40.120 well. 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.339 So it's whatever y'all decide. It doesn't make any 00:06:42.339 --> 00:06:43.519 difference to me either way. 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:51.310 So, thank you. I would be honored to serve as chair. I'm 00:06:51.310 --> 00:06:52.199 also gonna nominate 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.120 Mr. Sacco for the same commission. 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:00.680 So I don't there you go. All right. I guess do we 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.540 So I guess we need to think about this because I'm not sure 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:04.519 what the structure is. 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:06.519 Do we make our campaign speeches now? 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:08.519 Oh, hey, you're the one. 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:14.519 I was gonna let this continue. 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.519 See how it went. 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.860 So there really are no strict rules governing nominations 00:07:20.860 --> 00:07:23.759 approval, but in this case, 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.360 I would suggest just taking a chair 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:29.680 like you're doing chair and then vice chair. 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.600 If there's multiple nominations, then there would be a vote 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:33.600 . 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:37.600 And we can just do that by a show of hands. 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.910 Or there could be talk of whether if these are the only two 00:07:41.910 --> 00:07:44.689 nominations which wants to go for chair or vice chair vice 00:07:44.689 --> 00:07:44.839 versa. 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.839 That's also a discussion that you guys could have as well. 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.240 Well, Amber, are you formally saying 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.370 if nominated I will not run if elected I will not serve is 00:07:55.370 --> 00:07:56.480 that what you're saying? 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.269 I'm saying I'm gonna withdraw you want to decline. No, it's 00:08:01.269 --> 00:08:03.399 no I'd be sincerely I would be honored. 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.500 I also want to pay deference to our chair who's in the 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:09.680 current position and if he's interested, 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.259 I want to at least you know, also I really like when people 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:14.879 vote on things. So 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:21.959 So thank you for your nomination. 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.410 Yeah, I had no objection to mr. Sarko just nothing was 00:08:26.410 --> 00:08:30.519 forthcoming and I thought ever would be good still do. 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:33.200 Okay. 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.389 Well, let me let me switch the discussion a little bit here 00:08:36.389 --> 00:08:39.000 so that we're not spending a whole lot of time on it. 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.440 I'm happy to serve. I understand Amber's happy to serve. 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.360 Are there any other folks that want to be considered for 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.000 the chair or vice chair position? 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.840 How about if we did that way? I would go ahead. 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.450 I'd be happy to serve as vice chair, but I'd be happy to 00:08:55.450 --> 00:08:59.419 give it up as well. Okay, so we essentially have three 00:08:59.940 --> 00:09:03.669 folks that are interested in doing it. So in that regard 00:09:03.669 --> 00:09:07.600 and in deference to having three competent folks, 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.840 I'm gonna withdraw 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.080 as 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.080 being the chair so that 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:18.960 we it doesn't hurt to fluctuate in and rotate in I am happy 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:20.279 to withdraw as 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.590 from being the chair and defer and allow y'all there to arm 00:09:24.590 --> 00:09:25.240 wrestle. 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.500 I've enjoyed doing it. I think it's been a lot of fun as 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:33.519 well as educational to me, but I think like in any 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:36.919 structured 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.559 group whether it's school board or City Council, it's it's 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:41.360 good to 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.539 move leadership around and allow folks to have 00:09:45.539 --> 00:09:46.759 opportunities 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.440 and so it doesn't really bother me one bit to do that and 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:52.799 since we've got two qualified 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.519 competent folks, I am happy to defer. That's very gracious. 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.919 So as a history suggests the co-CEOs never work. No. 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.519 So what I'd like to do then is we have a 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.620 nomination and a second for chair for Amber Brighill. 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:14.799 I'd like to 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:19.840 Is there any further discussion on that position chair? 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.840 Okay hearing no further discussion. 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.610 Well, I'm not putting my name to I'm not gonna arm wrestle 00:10:30.610 --> 00:10:31.960 her for chair. Okay 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.320 What I'd like to do then is go ahead and have a vote on the 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.240 chair all in favor of Amber Brighill for 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:44.840 chair 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:47.240 For this next coming year say aye 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.940 Okay, let's go to vice-chair do we have we've got Marshall 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:56.559 and other nominations are fine 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:59.330 And are there any is there anyone else that would like to 00:10:59.330 --> 00:11:00.340 be vice-chair? 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.340 Obviously the purpose of vice-chair is step in when the 00:11:03.340 --> 00:11:04.279 chair is not available 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:06.879 And that's Marshall's to ride 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:12.679 Is there a second second and we got a second for mr. Cole 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:15.639 any discussion 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:19.080 Hearing no discussion all in favor 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.080 All right, so 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.200 Does she take over now? 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:28.519 Yes, okay. There we go. See that was nice 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.460 I just like I'd like to move my name tag though. Is that 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:34.080 okay? Mr. Sacco? 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.419 I'm just saying we have so many politicians who want to be 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.720 Permanent in the office you are showing at a local level a 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:42.720 model for them 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.679 Thank you appreciate that 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.720 I 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.399 Thoroughly enjoyed learning this ever-changing job 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.000 There's some other people who could learn from 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.759 No 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.679 Well, I like creating my own yes 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.440 Look why don't we go off the record for two minutes? 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.080 Can we do that or not? 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:32.509 We take a yeah. Yeah, let's take a quick two minute break 00:12:32.509 --> 00:12:34.039 all in favor. All right 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.860 Okay, thank you and welcome back to today's zoning board of 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:43.600 adjustments meeting the date is 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.399 Monday October 30th time is 416 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:50.659 We had a little shuffling around but we're back in business 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:53.759 and the next item for consideration is 00:12:54.919 --> 00:13:00.629 ZBA 17 - oh nine and consider approval for the ZBA calendar 00:13:00.629 --> 00:13:01.480 . Was there any 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.139 Discussion about this. Do we is this a thing that we vote 00:13:05.139 --> 00:13:07.879 on just to approve the calendar? Yes, ma'am 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:11.620 I'm sure we have put together a calendar and it's just 00:13:11.620 --> 00:13:15.559 really the first. I'm sorry the last Monday of each month 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.960 Given maybe some exceptions to a holiday 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:23.590 We try to plan it out so that we can publish these dates to 00:13:23.590 --> 00:13:27.960 the to to the public and therefore we do need it to be 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:30.399 recognized and approved by the board 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.240 I move approval got a 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:40.830 First from mr. Sacco any second and the second from mr. 00:13:40.830 --> 00:13:41.399 Baker 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.470 Hey, mr. Baker and is there any discussion on this at all? 00:13:45.470 --> 00:13:48.159 I just let the public know that you know, they 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.570 Only thing looks like they skirt around was Christmas. Yeah 00:13:51.570 --> 00:13:54.559 break next time which is good to know anyway 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.519 Any other discussion on this item 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.440 Let's take about all in favor 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.200 Any opposed 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.480 motion passes 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.879 And the next item is a public hearing 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.309 At this point, I'm going to open the public hearing for ZBA 00:14:15.309 --> 00:14:16.580 17 - 0 to a 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.919 The time is 417 and this item is to hold a public hearing 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.200 and consider approval of a variance 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:27.289 From the Denton Development Code section 35 dot 5 dot 2 dot 00:14:27.289 --> 00:14:28.919 3 general regulations 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.639 relating to the minimum front and side yard setbacks on a 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:34.360 proper on approximately 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.000 0.18 acre the variance requested is for the construction of 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.519 a solar panel support structure 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.149 which would encroach into the minimum 20 foot sorry 20 foot 00:14:44.149 --> 00:14:45.840 front yard setback and 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.320 minimum six foot side yard setback 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.330 The subject property is generally located on the north side 00:14:52.330 --> 00:14:56.399 of hummingbird lane near Cardinal Drive. So and with that 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:00.639 We have Julie go ahead Julie Europe 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.309 I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of Denton and 00:15:04.309 --> 00:15:07.399 I'm presenting ZBA 17 - to you this evening 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.659 The request before you is to hold a public hearing and 00:15:10.659 --> 00:15:14.940 consider approval of a variance from DDC section 35 dot 5 00:15:14.940 --> 00:15:16.120 dot 2 dot 3 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.919 For the construction of a solar panel support structure 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.570 Which would encroach into the minimum 20 foot front yard 00:15:23.570 --> 00:15:26.460 setback and minimum six foot side yard setback 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.620 The subject property is located on the north side of 00:15:29.620 --> 00:15:30.399 hummingbird 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.919 Between mockingbird and Cardinal just to orient you here's 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:38.240 McKinney right here and then the loop is off to the off to 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:38.799 the side 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.320 The subject property is 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.269 Governed by an nr4 zoning district the development on the 00:15:46.269 --> 00:15:47.720 site conforms to nr4 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.120 Zoning district both in use and in building envelope 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.169 It requires a minimum 20 foot front yard setback and a 00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:57.720 minimum six foot side yard setback 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.889 The applicant provided a copy of their survey just to allow 00:16:03.889 --> 00:16:07.039 it to for us to see what's on the side and the dimensions 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:07.480 for 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.519 the development 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.960 So this is an existing single-family home. It does have a 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.799 front entry garage and an associated driveway 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:18.960 the 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:20.960 House is set back 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.529 26.2 feet from the front property line, which is here the 00:16:24.529 --> 00:16:25.600 curb and gutter here 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:28.470 So the front property line is here and seven point three 00:16:28.470 --> 00:16:31.159 feet from the side property line in this location 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.389 The applicant is proposing to construct a solar panel 00:16:36.389 --> 00:16:39.879 support structure over the existing driveway 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.289 it would be attached to the house and extend forward 25 00:16:43.289 --> 00:16:45.120 feet from the existing structure and 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.289 Approximately seven feet to the side. So as you can see 00:16:49.289 --> 00:16:52.279 these are the limits of that proposed structure 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.860 It would it would essentially go over the the existing 00:16:55.860 --> 00:16:56.159 driveway 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.799 As proposed it would encroach 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:02.500 18.8 feet into the front yard and approximately six feet 00:17:02.500 --> 00:17:03.559 into the side yard 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.839 The applicant stated in their narrative that that the 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.079 reason for putting this structure in this location 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:14.539 Is that this this property has an extensive tree canopy and 00:17:14.539 --> 00:17:15.960 this location is 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.660 Is the only place that they could maximize the 00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:20.559 effectiveness of those solar panels 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:27.720 Section 35.5.6.2.2.B of the Denton Development Code 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.200 outlines the 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.339 the requirements for a variance to be granted from the 00:17:33.339 --> 00:17:36.079 Board of Adjustment from the minimum setbacks 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:39.160 This is where a literal enforcement of the regulations 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:40.240 would result in an unnecessary 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.019 hardship and where the variance is necessary to develop a 00:17:44.019 --> 00:17:45.920 specific parcel of land because of 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:49.049 Something unique to this size whether the shape the size of 00:17:49.049 --> 00:17:51.809 the topography that would make it different from other parc 00:17:51.809 --> 00:17:52.000 els 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.279 So there's also the code also outlines the criteria for 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:57.119 approval 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.529 So first well a variance shall be granted only upon finding 00:18:00.529 --> 00:18:03.549 that first and I've paraphrased their requirements here. 00:18:03.549 --> 00:18:04.440 They're fully 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.859 Outlined in your backup, but the special circumstances or 00:18:07.859 --> 00:18:10.670 conditions apply to the parcel for which the variance is 00:18:10.670 --> 00:18:11.160 sought 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.980 They have to be peculiar to that parcel and they don't 00:18:13.980 --> 00:18:16.789 generally apply to other parcels in the same district or 00:18:16.789 --> 00:18:17.680 neighborhood 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.660 So when staff looked at this criteria for approval in 00:18:20.660 --> 00:18:22.759 relationship to the request first 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.180 We looked at the zoning and the adjacent character and 00:18:26.180 --> 00:18:27.000 development 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:30.140 And this is an established neighborhood with a with a 00:18:30.140 --> 00:18:31.920 traditional suburban character 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.910 The lot as well as the surrounding lots conform to that in 00:18:35.910 --> 00:18:37.799 our four zoning district 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:42.960 The lots size and shape are similar to surrounding lots 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.609 Yes, there is a lot of tree canopy on the site, but that's 00:18:46.609 --> 00:18:48.480 not unique to this to this property 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.059 residential properties often have have tree canopy of 00:18:52.059 --> 00:18:53.960 shading their yards and 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.289 That while solar panels can be a valuable improvement of 00:18:58.289 --> 00:19:01.920 the inability to install them in an in an optimal location 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.200 to maximize their usefulness 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:07.779 Doesn't deprive the homeowner of using their home 00:19:07.779 --> 00:19:11.190 They can still live in it it still is is in a single-family 00:19:11.190 --> 00:19:13.519 home that can that can be used as their dwelling 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.880 Second that the variance would not be detrimental to the 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.980 public welfare or injurious to other properties or 00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:21.640 improvements in the area 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.930 The intent of minimum yard setbacks both front and side are 00:19:25.930 --> 00:19:28.160 to create a visually uniform 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.960 neighborhood with clearly defined yard areas 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.259 The approval of the variance would does that would disrupt 00:19:35.259 --> 00:19:38.549 the uniformity the visual uniformity of the neighborhood 00:19:38.549 --> 00:19:40.880 and create potentially create impacts 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.440 Not only on the street, but for adjacent properties 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.890 Third the variance would be necessary for the reasonable 00:19:49.890 --> 00:19:53.480 use of the parcel and that it would be the minimum variance 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.200 that would accomplish this purpose 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.480 This variance isn't necessary in order for them to to 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.839 occupy their home as a single-family dwelling and so 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.589 it's not necessary for the reasonable use of their property 00:20:07.589 --> 00:20:09.799 as a single-family residence and 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.200 Then finally the literal enforcement and strict application 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:17.039 of the provisions would result in an unnecessary hardship 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:21.109 the proposing correct encroachment is not required in order 00:20:21.109 --> 00:20:22.920 to occupy the property and 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.420 Therefore the enforcement of the setbacks does not pose an 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:28.240 unnecessary hardship 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.119 And we'll take a look at some pictures 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.599 Google has has a wider view and takes better pictures than 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:39.339 I do so I've cribbed these pictures from Google 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:43.160 But this is this is hummingbird. It's looking toward 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:48.599 Cardinal so toward the loop and as you can see the the the 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.839 Setbacks create that sort of visual corridor where you've 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.829 got the street then you have the yard area and then you 00:20:54.829 --> 00:20:55.440 have the homes 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:58.720 This is the subject property and 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.019 Then here is the street near the subject property 00:21:04.019 --> 00:21:07.700 so as you can see across from the subject property there is 00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:09.720 in fact a shade structure a a 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.819 Carport that does extend from their home and extends almost 00:21:12.819 --> 00:21:13.559 to the street 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.359 We've done some research on this and and at this time 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:21.759 I can't find a permit that was that was issued for this but 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:23.140 there is there is a 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.220 Carport similar to what they're proposing in their 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:26.839 neighborhood 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.299 However, then when we zoom out we look back at the aerial 00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:32.640 that we looked at at the beginning of the presentation 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.920 If you look you can see a long hummingbird 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.759 You can see all the driveways 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:42.670 Along the adjacent properties. So this isn't a consistent 00:21:42.670 --> 00:21:45.599 development pattern within that within the area 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:50.579 It's not something that all residents have in this area 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.799 public notification was sent out 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.420 There's some variation in in the colors of reds. I don't 00:21:59.420 --> 00:22:00.839 know if you can see that on the screen 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.279 There was one in favor and then several in opposition 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:08.849 The darker red were there was a notification error on the 00:22:08.849 --> 00:22:11.240 first so this on this 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.140 Project so there was a notification sent out for the 00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:17.140 September meeting. Those were notices that I received for 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:18.279 that meeting 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:19.460 I went ahead and included them 00:22:19.460 --> 00:22:22.359 But I wanted to let you know that those were not for this 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:23.319 request 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:28.960 the ones in the lighter the lighter red were sent when the 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.700 Prop the the request was renoticed for this meeting 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.930 If I may and I seem to remember in the packet there were 00:22:37.930 --> 00:22:40.839 two note two letters from neighbors in 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:43.440 support of this request 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:47.099 Is is that why is that other neighbor not in? I obviously 00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:49.880 missed that on my map. Yeah, there were 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:54.190 There were two if you can tell me what that address was and 00:22:54.190 --> 00:22:55.359 I can see if I can yes 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.559 And in fact, I actually drove out to the applicant's 00:22:57.559 --> 00:22:59.930 property today because I really want to get a better look 00:22:59.930 --> 00:23:00.240 at this 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.160 And she had informed me and she can speak to this too 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.390 And she has her opportunity to speak that it was her 00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:09.480 neighbor on the side yard. So that property there, okay 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:13.269 You can correct me if I'm wrong. Miss Barnhill when you get 00:23:13.269 --> 00:23:13.759 up here, but 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.180 That one should also be marked as green and that is I think 00:23:17.180 --> 00:23:18.240 also the side yard 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.819 Yes, that would be approaching on so I think that's 00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:23.140 important to note that that green should be indicated on. 00:23:23.140 --> 00:23:23.519 Thank you 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.640 I I missed that I apologize. Thank you 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.079 Sorry, you'll get an opportunity to speak. Don't worry hold 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:30.559 that thought 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:37.839 This 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.039 According to her letter she has but I may have I have may 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:45.799 have messed up this slide 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:55.519 Number 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:04.500 Okay, that is that is yes, so I okay I've missed you I 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:06.799 apologize I can so 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.599 Keep that in mind that that those are included in your 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.720 backup. However, I didn't reflect them on on this map 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.609 So are you saying that two folks approved and then let's 00:24:17.609 --> 00:24:20.890 just make sure we got this right the opposition how many 00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:21.880 folks opposed it? 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.779 Within the 200 foot buffer. Yes, a portion of this lot a 00:24:26.779 --> 00:24:29.839 portion of this lot this lot and then this lot so 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.759 for okay 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:39.640 In is it open up for discuss chair recognizes mr. Sacco 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.970 I forgot my question. I'm kidding. It's not time for 00:24:45.970 --> 00:24:46.480 discussion yet 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.400 But if you have questions for staff, this would be the time 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.480 Well, my my question is the general character of the 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:52.359 neighborhood 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:54.440 if 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:55.799 that 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.039 particular 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.039 person across the street 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:03.000 Didn't get theirs permitted, which is what it sounds like 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.079 would the city have allowed 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:11.910 A carport in that particular not without a variance. Okay 00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:12.599 in in 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.480 You just I believe I read in the packet that you did 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:21.400 research that and that particular person across the street 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.240 didn't have a variance 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.400 Not one that I can find. Okay 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:29.799 Thank you 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:33.039 So based upon the criteria for approval 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.299 Outlined in the didn't development code staff recommends 00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:38.359 denial of the variance to request into 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.849 The variance to encroach into the front and side yard set 00:25:41.849 --> 00:25:44.319 backs and I'll stand for any questions 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.279 Any questions for staff 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:50.799 Mr. House. I have a question. What is 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.400 There's the current city ordinance regarding 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.819 Structures in the front set back of the property our car 00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:57.700 ports allowed 00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:01.099 I'm not certain or is it just the fact that it's going to 00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:01.480 encroach 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.420 The setbacks at all a carport would be allowed sub chapter 00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:08.089 12 if the didn't development code outlines the requirements 00:26:08.089 --> 00:26:10.039 for accessory structures 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:14.859 If the carport is proposed to be attached to the property, 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:17.380 so it actually become a part of the primary structure 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.880 if it were not 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.569 Attached to the subject property. It would not be permitted 00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:24.650 in the front yard. It would have to be either and it would 00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:25.079 have to be in 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.000 the rear 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.450 But because it is proposed to be attached it could it could 00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:32.319 go in the front yard provided it did not 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.039 Encroach into that front yard setback 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.900 Due to the size and shape of the structure that they would 00:26:40.900 --> 00:26:42.279 like to construct 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.400 That's why they're here today in order to in order to seek 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.000 a variance for those setbacks 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.440 To construct the the structure. I would also like to point 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:52.720 out 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:54.880 that 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.619 In in reviewing this we also talked with building 00:26:57.619 --> 00:26:59.799 inspections because they'll be the ones 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.039 If approved they would be the ones 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:05.319 processing and 00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:08.940 And reviewing the permit and the International Residential 00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:09.279 Code 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:14.079 would prohibit the construction of the 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.839 the structure within two feet of the property line, so 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:20.359 so 00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.089 Regardless of what's approved today the the building permit 00:27:24.089 --> 00:27:25.319 could only be for 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.900 For a structure that was a minimum of two feet away from 00:27:29.900 --> 00:27:32.240 either the front or side property lines 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.519 Mr. Sarrat, I have two questions one 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.859 The is car this simple question. I probably know the answer 00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:45.759 is a carport 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.039 Allowed on if there's working garage already 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.220 Yes, a carport would be allowed provided that it met the 00:27:54.220 --> 00:27:56.910 requirements in subchapter 12 of the Denton development 00:27:56.910 --> 00:27:57.680 code that it would be 00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.680 In the rear of the property that it would not 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.450 Cause the property to exceed lot coverage that it would not 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:06.160 be in any setbacks or in any easements 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.480 It would also need to be architecturally compatible with 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.599 the primary structure or screen from view 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.420 Of adjacent property owners and the public right-of-way the 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.039 other question is I? 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.490 Think I know the answer this too. Do we have any site 00:28:21.490 --> 00:28:23.920 design criteria for? 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.039 There's a fancy term for it, but for solar collectors. I 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.039 know that you can have some that actually look like 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.599 Shakes I mean that look like you know 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.880 What's the word for it shingles shingles? Thank you? 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:45.279 shingles is for composition 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.920 And I know they're more expensive 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.490 So do we have any site design for like in this case where 00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:54.799 you want to make it architecturally compatible at this time 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:55.400 we don't 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.359 if they were proposing a 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:01.640 solar panel structure that 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.960 That was visible from the public right-of-way and that 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.059 Was in the rear yard not attached to the property, but in 00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:11.319 the back or on their roof 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.230 They could they could install those solar panels those 00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:17.440 wouldn't necessarily have to be architecturally compatible 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.279 But the structure on which they sit would have to be 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.890 Did that did that answer your question it did it might be 00:29:24.890 --> 00:29:26.160 something for 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.279 great idea to 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.700 Take up to have site design standards because as we were 00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:35.039 talking as the prices go down more and more people want to 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.240 do this 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:36.799 including me 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.200 So so I want to know what would look good 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.440 Mr.. Socko I have a question, so how many feet? 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.299 In the right-of-way on the front and on the side are they 00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:49.720 actually encroaching 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.319 They wouldn't be 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.099 Per their proposal they would not be encroaching in the 00:29:57.099 --> 00:29:59.279 right-of-way you can see right here 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.880 This is their property line and their house is set back 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.039 twenty six point. I'm sorry 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.750 I've let me apologize. I meant the setbacks not the right- 00:30:07.750 --> 00:30:10.079 of-way um if my math is correct 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.619 Approximately eighteen point eight feet because they are 00:30:14.619 --> 00:30:16.039 they their house is set back 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.220 More than the minimum so it's actually set back twenty six 00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:21.440 over twenty six feet 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.599 Whereas the minimum the minimum is is twenty feet 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.440 So so the actual encroachments eighteen point eight 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.359 Okay 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:33.880 So that leads me to my follow-up 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.740 I'm gonna follow up with because I've got one specific 00:30:36.740 --> 00:30:39.319 question and one general question my specific question is I 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:40.920 guess how far away from the 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.329 Curb with this structure be and how far away from the curb 00:30:44.329 --> 00:30:46.400 is the structure across the street I? 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.109 Don't know the one across the street. I'm not I'm not aware 00:30:50.109 --> 00:30:50.480 of that 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.480 For this one 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.720 I don't have a dimension in looking at 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.079 Let's see if I can 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.440 Doesn't get closed in looking at what they're proposing and 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:12.920 then and then 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.000 overlaying that with their survey 00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:20.799 The the proposed structure would extend forward 25 feet 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.279 from their prop from their home 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.400 It does look like they're per their survey 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.680 Their house is set back 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.470 26.5 feet from their property line. This is probably the 00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:36.099 right-of-way 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.750 Parkway sidewalk which is typically it part of the public 00:31:40.750 --> 00:31:42.180 right-of-way so 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.700 By this it looks like this is the curb. I just don't know 00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:48.140 how far away that okay, so it would take up it will go 00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:48.400 almost 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.200 I'm sorry, so it's 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.740 26.5 feet is their house set back this would be a 25 foot 00:31:54.740 --> 00:31:55.740 structure so this would go 00:31:55.740 --> 00:32:00.119 But I'll probably be a foot and a half from okay from there 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.839 from their end of their property line 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.230 But then there's but then there's some right-of-way several 00:32:05.230 --> 00:32:07.160 feet of curb and utilities underneath okay 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.180 And my more general question is how does this help us 00:32:11.180 --> 00:32:12.240 further our goal? 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:13.839 towards 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.250 Being a greener city as we you know I've always talked 00:32:17.250 --> 00:32:18.359 about the dent in 2030 plan 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.579 We worked really hard on that you guys so 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.029 How how would a request for this a citizen who wants to put 00:32:25.029 --> 00:32:27.240 solar panels on their home? 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.839 improve their the 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:31.539 value of their home 00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:35.109 They're hoping to improve the the value of their 00:32:35.109 --> 00:32:38.220 neighborhood and the value of our community and of the 00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:39.680 world like how? 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.670 Can can you talk to me about kind of green energy and solar 00:32:43.670 --> 00:32:47.440 panels and how the 2030 plan could fit into this? 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:51.720 so I'll take I'll take a stab at that of course the 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.359 Creating a sustainable you know community sustainable house 00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:00.480 is something that didn't plan 2030 is for and certainly 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.740 this would help in that cause 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.599 of our see solar panels wind devices any other 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.440 sustainability type 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.589 Functions that would you know help in that effort the city 00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:15.480 would welcome you know and actually D 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.480 Meade and municipal electric has some programs in which the 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.369 If there were introductions of such devices they would be 00:33:24.369 --> 00:33:26.640 entered into some programs, so 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.200 That's something that we want to incentivize certainly 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.019 having solar panel is something that we would like to see 00:33:33.019 --> 00:33:34.079 more and more as well 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.839 However, just this particular case alone 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.059 The location that solar panel is what we're looking at not 00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:44.480 necessarily the introduction of solar panel is really what 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.200 's what structure is being constructed 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.480 right 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.130 I've got some counterpoints to that, but I know we're not 00:33:51.130 --> 00:33:54.329 that the discussion yet, so I'm gonna hold that thought 00:33:54.329 --> 00:33:55.359 sorry mr. 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.359 Strath I have one last question 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.099 Not considering the tree canopy if they were put solar 00:34:01.099 --> 00:34:05.599 collectors on the existing roof of the house what are the 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.359 current 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.360 standards rules for that 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:11.960 Even if it's three feet away from the neighbors 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.599 They would just have to acquire just a permit 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.159 So setback doesn't count for that 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.079 No said that when that's what I was wondering about 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.539 And I understand the conditions for this house. I was just 00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:24.880 wondering 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.380 Mr.. House, I'm sorry just one more quick question. We keep 00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:30.599 referring to the carport across the street 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.559 I'm just wondering if that's an unpermitted structure is 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.639 that being looked into by the code enforcement department 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.099 Or is that I did a little research on that there was a case 00:34:41.099 --> 00:34:42.440 open several years ago 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.760 The person who reviewed that is no longer with the city and 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.719 the records are somewhat 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.360 Thin so I'm not quite sure what? 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.880 What happened other than in his research? 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.519 He determined that the that the 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:03.119 Carport was built between 2005 and 2007 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.260 He did not give any indication that he found a permit. I 00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:09.119 didn't find one so I'm not sure if what one may have been 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.159 Acquired and I just didn't I wasn't able to find it 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.119 Thank you 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.639 Any other questions for staff 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.119 Julia question just to make sure that I understand this 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.119 correctly the 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.510 Variance is being requested for the for the setbacks raise. 00:35:26.510 --> 00:35:28.159 It's not a variance to 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.869 Construct a certain structure. No sir. It's just for the 00:35:31.869 --> 00:35:32.360 setbacks 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.010 Mr. Saka and on that same token, and this is kind of where 00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:38.599 my line of thought is 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.179 It it speak really because they want to build a carport 00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:42.599 there 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.010 Correct and the carport will have there's two issues one is 00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:49.039 putting a solar structure 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.880 which 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:56.159 no problem, but the bigger issue is a non-con a a 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.690 Variance for putting the actual structure itself the car 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:02.159 port. Yes, sir 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.800 So if we granted the variance for the carport and they 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.159 decided or elected not to put the solar structure 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.960 Could that occur? Yes, okay 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.530 Just to follow up on that granting this variance to the set 00:36:17.530 --> 00:36:18.079 backs 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.210 Doesn't necessarily restrict what kind of structure could 00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:22.480 go on 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.659 Past this it's just saying that they can build into the 00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:28.440 side the front yard setback 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:32.360 And so after this variance is granted if it is granted 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.880 There's really no 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.139 Conditions that we can place after they build whatever they 00:36:38.139 --> 00:36:41.000 build could that be a condition we put in the motion though 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:44.800 But no because the variance is just to the encroachment 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.760 Sorry, let me I'm sorry let me understand so if if 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.769 If someone were to make a motion to approve could that 00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:56.840 person say you know we approve with the following 00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.199 conditions that this only 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:01.760 be a solar panel support structure and not an 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.260 Additional bedroom that you're adding yeah the the variance 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:08.159 pertains to the real estate 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.570 Rights that go with the property because again. This would 00:37:11.570 --> 00:37:13.239 be something that would go on 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.780 Well past this owner or future owners and go on for 00:37:16.780 --> 00:37:17.440 generations 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.079 and so the only 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.320 Condition that I would be comfortable recommending or 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.670 Supporting would be something that would be willing to like 00:37:26.670 --> 00:37:28.960 to the footprint of whatever that structure is 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.360 Because I think it's going to be separated from 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.559 the main 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.639 Residents it would be attached to the main residence 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.769 So a condition that could be placed is that it would be to 00:37:42.769 --> 00:37:45.199 the footprint of whatever it's proposed 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.360 So it wouldn't connect later 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.380 Because what you're doing is you're just saying they can 00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:53.960 build so many feet in front of whatever the property line 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:54.159 is 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.409 We'll cross that when we get there. Thank you any other 00:37:58.409 --> 00:37:59.739 questions for staff 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.360 Okay, thank you. Thank you 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.920 Okay, I have to do a thing here now we're talking to the 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.519 people now is that the next thing that we do 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.159 Yes, okay, does the applicant does? 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.380 How much time do I know we get we want to hear from the 00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:17.300 applicant how much time does the applicant get? 00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:20.719 I think they get as much time as they want. Okay, so the 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.840 applicant here. All right, would you like to come forward, 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:24.199 please? 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.860 So if you could step towards the microphone 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.019 Sure 00:38:45.019 --> 00:38:48.440 Okay, if you are appearing before this board as provided 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:49.900 under chapter 602 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.650 0025 of the Texas government code all testimony is sworn. 00:38:53.650 --> 00:38:56.190 So therefore could you please identify yourself for the 00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:57.239 record? Yes 00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.239 Hi, I'm Sharon barnhill and 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:04.289 Your address, please 33 29 hummingbird lane here in Denton. 00:39:04.289 --> 00:39:05.639 Thank you. Can you raise your right hand? 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.159 Under penalty of perjury 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.300 Do you swear or affirm that any testimony or information 00:39:11.300 --> 00:39:14.510 you provide or any statement you make before this board is 00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:15.159 complete? 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.579 True and correct to the best or best of your knowledge and 00:39:18.579 --> 00:39:20.920 ability. Yes, I do. Okay, go ahead 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.789 Okay. Well, I guess first of all, I wanted to make sure yes 00:39:25.789 --> 00:39:26.639 that you knew 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.090 I do have letters from the neighbor right next to me and 00:39:29.090 --> 00:39:31.679 the neighbor across the street that has the carport 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.639 I will tell you that when we moved in in 2003 most of that 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.639 carport was already standing 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.639 I think that's why she can't find 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.199 Anything about it since we've lived there 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.119 He has traded a truck for a boat and had to rebuild one end 00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:46.519 of it 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.369 And then he got rid of the boat and he had to read we've 00:39:48.369 --> 00:39:52.000 watched that happen several times knowing that we can't 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.039 have a carport 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.400 Anyway, so last October the some people at the end of the 00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:57.800 street 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.539 I think this is in my packing material have a lovely new 00:40:00.539 --> 00:40:01.119 carport 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.619 So I called the city so excited to see if they had gotten a 00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:06.159 building permit and they had 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.079 So we contacted 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.289 Alternatex we started working towards trying to figure out 00:40:13.289 --> 00:40:16.139 how to put our solar panels in our yard that is covered 00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:16.619 with trees 00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:20.030 I can't grow anything as far as vegetables because I have 00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:21.320 so much shade in my yard 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.199 anyway, so then I 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.619 When we after we got that all going and I had a contractor 00:40:27.619 --> 00:40:29.079 that was going to do the structure for us 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.409 And he came down to get a building permit and found out 00:40:31.409 --> 00:40:32.960 that that was not going to happen 00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.900 So we later found out I guess the one at the end of the 00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:38.639 street was issued in error 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.639 And I don't know what that means 00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.130 But we think it's a lovely cardboard. I have some pictures 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:45.980 here of it if you'd like to see it 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:47.920 I 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.659 Mean, I don't know what protocol is can I hand the pictures 00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:52.460 around or what do I do? Sure? 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.320 Your pictures are bigger than my pictures so 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.239 The first two pictures are 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.489 What I look out my kitchen window at is the carport across 00:41:05.489 --> 00:41:07.880 the street. They are lovely neighbors 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.070 I will say they have had a television a huge big television 00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:12.639 in their yard for two weeks 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:16.929 And I did call both code enforcement and solid waste and it 00:41:16.929 --> 00:41:18.039 's still there 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.170 Then there's some pictures. I think of our house. There are 00:41:21.170 --> 00:41:22.000 some pictures of 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.340 The carport down the street that is new that got the 00:41:25.340 --> 00:41:27.670 building permit in error because I think you can see it's a 00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:28.079 lovely 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.360 carport 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.780 I'm a little interested to hear to see that one of the 00:41:33.780 --> 00:41:34.940 objections to our 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.170 Structure was the house next door to us. There are some 00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:40.559 pictures of some of the homes on Hummingbird Lane 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.369 we have a lot of rental property the lady next door who 00:41:44.369 --> 00:41:47.480 owns a house who I've met once in 13 years and 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:49.639 objected 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.389 The tenants that are in there right now don't mow their 00:41:52.389 --> 00:41:55.760 yard their trash bin sits on the curb all week long 00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:00.760 You can see there are several properties on my street. We 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:02.960 are not going to do anything to Hummingbird Lane 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.559 That is going to diminish the beauty of Hummingbird Lane or 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.780 the Denton Development Code 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:12.519 I think we are we want to be able to stay in our home 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.880 through retirement. We will be on fixed income and 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.320 Having the solar panels will be a big 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.579 Benefit for us. I will also say the reason we cannot do the 00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:24.880 roof for one thing 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.969 The solar panels will withstand a bigger hail storm than 00:42:28.969 --> 00:42:31.840 our roof will so if we have roof damage 00:42:31.940 --> 00:42:35.559 We pay someone to remove solar panels to fix our roof and 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.860 then put the solar panels back up 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.179 Plus we have a mother-in-law suite that was added before we 00:42:43.179 --> 00:42:45.260 lived there we have 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.719 Half of the two car garage is actually under air. It is a 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.559 dining room and a laundry room 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.849 So we have a larger under air square footage than most of 00:42:55.849 --> 00:42:57.960 the homes in our neighborhood 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.579 And so we just don't have enough roof in the Sun to put 00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:04.300 solar panels on our roof 00:43:04.300 --> 00:43:07.039 I mean trust me we have looked at this my husband is an 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.960 engineer. We have looked at this trust me and 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.000 We have been advised by both the solar panel 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.739 Fellas and my contractor and we think this is going to be 00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:20.519 something that will look good on our house 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.639 We're not certainly not gonna put something up that we 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.110 would be embarrassed by or that our neighbors would be 00:43:25.110 --> 00:43:28.239 embarrassed by a little surprised about the 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.579 Objections on the street like I say I encourage you to 00:43:31.579 --> 00:43:34.679 drive down hummingbird lane. I bet you can pick my house 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:34.980 out 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.159 What else do I need to tell you all 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.420 Like I say mainly I wanted to share some pictures with you 00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:45.559 I do have the fellas from the solar panel company here 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.599 And I have also our contractor that could answer the 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.179 questions about the structure 00:43:50.179 --> 00:43:53.119 But it sounds like maybe we're just doing setbacks or maybe 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:54.760 the structure questions or not 00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.179 For this panel, I don't know 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:01.920 So 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.820 Thank you, I mean is there yeah other questions for the 00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:07.780 applicants and I'd be happy to answer questions 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:10.760 Mr. Higgins, please 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.159 To what extent is your 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.360 Objection to putting it on a roof 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.480 result from 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.559 cutting canopy 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:26.789 Just mainly I think the fact that we have more we're 00:44:26.789 --> 00:44:28.559 putting up too many panels 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:33.400 For the sun for the roof we have that's available. I think 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.239 is what you mean available on in the Sun 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.820 Yes, that's available cut canopy and have more roof 00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:41.400 available 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.579 Well, I don't think so 00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:47.000 I think when we did the math on how many panels we needed 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.739 in the square footage in the size of them 00:44:48.739 --> 00:44:51.480 No, I don't think that was I mean really we've this is 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.320 something we've been working on 00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.820 Really it is 00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:01.579 Because because we've had to have roofs replaced already in 00:45:01.579 --> 00:45:03.360 the 13 years. We've been there 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.920 we really do know that that's the thing that can happen and 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.519 The extra expense of having to have our solar panels 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.369 completely removed so we can have a new roof and then have 00:45:12.369 --> 00:45:13.119 them back on 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.039 Again we're looking at retirement 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.530 Fixed income and so so really you really do want solar 00:45:21.530 --> 00:45:24.519 panels and you really can use a carport both 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:26.760 Yes, exactly 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.760 Other questions other questions for the applicant I 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.239 Have a couple yes 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:40.340 So the so do you happen to know how far back that carport 00:45:40.340 --> 00:45:41.519 across the street? 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.719 I do happen to know those answers the carport 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.840 The front line of the carport is 12 feet from the curb and 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.739 the first pole is 15 feet from the curb 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.840 the new carport down the street is 00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:59.550 The pole in the front of it is are all in the same line and 00:45:59.550 --> 00:46:01.760 it is 16 feet from the curb 00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:07.800 Do you know how far this proposed structure of yours would 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.480 be from the curb? 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.320 Well, I could probably do the math let's see it's 25 feet 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.780 from the front and you have the engineers here, too 00:46:16.780 --> 00:46:18.780 They may be able to answer that 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:26.170 Sir do you want to could you come to this is mr. Carrying 00:46:26.170 --> 00:46:28.280 up and he is my contractor on the 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.039 Structure, I believe I have to swear you in too. So 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:37.050 I want to hear what you have to say, but we got a story 00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:40.940 when I got a family notes. Okay. Thank you 00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.519 Could you please identify yourself with a record name and 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:44.239 address, please? 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:48.900 4232 Wells Drive Lake Worth, Texas 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:49.480 Okay 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.440 And under penalty of perjury do you swear or affirm that 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.239 any testimony or information you provide? 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.449 Or any statement you make before this board is complete 00:46:56.449 --> 00:46:58.920 true and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.159 Yes, ma'am. I do go ahead please 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.809 The upper edge of the carport approximated to be between 9 00:47:06.809 --> 00:47:09.519 and 10 feet from the edge of the street 00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.420 The lower columns will be set back 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.780 slightly from that it will can leave the support 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.150 Beams will cantilever pass that a little bit to carry the 00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:26.239 top of the carport but the columns will be 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.659 At least 10 feet back from the curb. So I'm sorry. So that 00:47:29.659 --> 00:47:30.860 's the edge of the carport would be 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.929 About 10 feet from the curb the top edge of the cart the 00:47:34.929 --> 00:47:37.440 top edge where the overhang because it's gonna over 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:41.480 We'll be between 9 and 10 feet, but the pole itself would 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.920 be back a little way. It will be back another 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.789 Foot to 2 feet from that. Okay, and if a smaller structure 00:47:49.789 --> 00:47:51.239 were to be proposed 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.099 with that significantly change the 00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.099 Structural integrity of this or would it significantly 00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:00.340 change the project? 00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:05.440 No, I've actually designed it to be overbuilt and 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:10.519 to support the extra weight of the solar panels that 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.059 Alternatex plans on putting on the top the the size of it. 00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:16.860 They've designed they've 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.860 calculated their solar panel space to 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.820 Basically use the entire top of it and cover with solar 00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:26.820 panels. Okay, so so a smaller carport 00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:29.789 I don't want to call it carport. That's not I mean that's a 00:48:29.789 --> 00:48:30.000 sec 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.599 It seems like that's a secondary nature the the the smaller 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.260 Diminish this smaller the size of this solar panel 00:48:36.260 --> 00:48:37.380 structure would then 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.880 Diminish the amount of solar panels that they could have on 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.639 on the top is that I'm seeing a nod from the corner 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.059 So that's just fewer solar panels. So 00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:48.679 Okay, that's helpful for me. Thank you 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.159 The design dimensions doesn't didn't come from me 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.119 It was they told me how much space they needed and so I 00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:57.679 worked it from there, right? 00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.719 So that they would have room to get their panels on there. 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.619 Okay, that's helpful. Thank you 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.280 Any other questions? 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:05.960 Mr. Sarrat 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.699 And I don't even know that this is something that we are 00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:09.880 supposed to entertain 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.119 but when you say they the space they needed are you talking 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:13.760 about the 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.929 The space they needed for their cars or the space they 00:49:17.929 --> 00:49:20.309 needed for the solar collectors in order to support the 00:49:20.309 --> 00:49:21.480 energy needs their house 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.670 Well for my design it's a little bit of a combination of 00:49:26.670 --> 00:49:29.519 both so that we don't have to design it 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.349 So that sir, can you move to Mike? So we want to begin. I'm 00:49:32.349 --> 00:49:32.719 sorry 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.119 Usually people tell me I'm loud 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.579 But they need a certain number of square footage to put 00:49:41.579 --> 00:49:45.719 their panels in but at the same time so that 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.639 the 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.420 Carport doesn't look incommensurate with the structure the 00:49:50.420 --> 00:49:54.400 columns and the way that it's designed needs to fit with 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:55.119 the property 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.030 So I had to take all that into consideration when I design 00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.639 the size and new way of shape 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.599 Do you happen to have a 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.719 mock-up to show us or 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.949 Examples of other things that you've designed or maybe I do 00:50:10.949 --> 00:50:14.000 not have that with me at the moment 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.519 I might have some pictures on my phone that I can fan 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.679 through but I'm not sure those would help you a lot at this 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.469 Okay, I'm just I guess I'm just getting trying to get a 00:50:23.469 --> 00:50:26.559 picture of this what it would the kind of the final product 00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.239 What that would look like? 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.239 tube steel columns 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.639 Channel stringers for the 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.400 parlance to attach to with the metal roof and 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.130 that gives them an at the alternate X and ample structure 00:50:42.130 --> 00:50:42.280 to 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.219 Attach their solar panels to I believe they're going to be 00:50:46.219 --> 00:50:48.840 somewhere around 750 pounds 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:51.280 neighborhood, but 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.739 Spread out over a sure the large area. Okay 00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.039 Three pounds of square foot, okay 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.400 Any other questions 00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.480 Okay 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.840 Thank you. Thank you both. Thank you. Yeah 00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.280 And this is a public hearing 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.909 So if anyone would like to speak for or against this issue, 00:51:16.909 --> 00:51:18.679 you're certainly welcome to take the microphone now 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:21.989 You'll have three minutes. I don't have any cards in front 00:51:21.989 --> 00:51:22.980 of me. Yes, sir 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.400 That'd be great if you could approach the microphone and 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:29.380 then state your name and address for the record and before 00:51:29.380 --> 00:51:29.920 you leave if you 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.659 Wouldn't mind filling out a card to that would be very 00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:34.360 helpful. So name and address, please 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.619 Okay, I need to raise my hand your name and address please 00:51:38.619 --> 00:51:39.400 for the record. Yes 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.880 My name is Leon Tribble and I live just down the street. I 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.639 Live at 3411 Hummingbird. Thank you, sir. Let's get you 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:50.579 sworn in. All right 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:52.800 Under penalty of perjury 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.829 Do you swear or affirm that any testimony or information 00:51:55.829 --> 00:51:58.849 you provide or any statement you make before this board is 00:51:58.849 --> 00:51:59.400 complete? 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.210 True and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability. 00:52:02.210 --> 00:52:04.119 Yes, I do. Thank you. You may proceed. I 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:10.239 Have I have lived at 3411 Hummingbird for almost 48 years 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.039 We moved to Denton in 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.920 1969 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:19.480 November of 69. So we're coming up on almost 48 years and 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:25.159 Over that last 48 years the neighborhood has changed 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.539 somewhat and we've got a lot of good people a lot of good 00:52:29.539 --> 00:52:32.239 neighbors there and and I enjoy 00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:34.679 your 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.510 Friendship and companionship close by I have nothing 00:52:38.510 --> 00:52:40.360 against you at all. I 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.579 Don't have anything against carports either 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:48.389 When I first got the the notice that there was going to be 00:52:48.389 --> 00:52:50.079 a hearing about the variance 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:54.619 I did not know what a solar panel support was 00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:57.639 solar panel support structure 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.440 I'm not too 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.440 too keen on on 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.400 Modern computers and stuff 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.400 But I was able to look up on the computer to see what a 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:13.039 support structure was and I found several 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.380 And I had no idea of what was going up. I found some that 00:53:17.380 --> 00:53:19.000 were about three feet high 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:23.730 off the ground and I have seen some of those that are grown 00:53:23.730 --> 00:53:27.360 and my main concern was is this going to be an 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:29.440 attractive nuisance 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.389 Something that the kids in the neighborhood are going to 00:53:32.389 --> 00:53:35.920 climb on and something that they could get hurt on 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.900 also those support structures that I have seen that are 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:45.079 Two or three feet off the ground. They all seem to be 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.440 Situated above a rock 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.269 Surface they have rocks underneath them and so the grass 00:53:52.269 --> 00:53:54.679 won't grow and that sort of thing 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.699 And I was concerned about that because I did not want 00:53:58.699 --> 00:54:00.840 anything in our neighborhood 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.519 That would make our property values go down 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:10.309 Over the years I have seen our property values and our 00:54:10.309 --> 00:54:13.119 taxes go up and every time our 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.079 Property values go up taxes go up 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.380 Every time property values go down taxes go up. So whatever 00:54:21.380 --> 00:54:24.440 it is, that's not going to make too much but 00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:29.730 That that was my main opposition is I was concerned that 00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:33.519 there was going to be something built in the front yard 00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.639 Or to the side of the driveway that was going to be about 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:38.400 knee-high 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.849 That would be hard to mow underneath or you're going to 00:54:41.849 --> 00:54:43.840 have to spray it with insecticides 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:45.840 Which we don't need in our system anymore 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:50.199 But since I found out that you're looking at a carport I 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.219 Would just hope that if this variance is approved that it's 00:54:55.219 --> 00:54:59.150 a little bit upscale as to pose as what is across the 00:54:59.150 --> 00:54:59.519 street 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.650 So I don't want I don't want the variance approved if you 00:55:04.650 --> 00:55:07.159 're going to put up some junk. I 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.920 Have enough junk at my own house 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.710 I have a question for you then because and thank you very 00:55:14.710 --> 00:55:16.280 much. This is very helpful and 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.840 You filled out a response form and in it you wrote 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.880 I'm not sure just what a solar panel support structure is 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.170 you did your homework you came to the meeting your your you 00:55:24.170 --> 00:55:24.679 learned 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.849 But you also clicked or checked that you were opposed to 00:55:27.849 --> 00:55:28.400 the request 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.539 Are you still opposed to the request are you have you 00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:32.750 changed your mind on this? I just want to be clear for the 00:55:32.750 --> 00:55:33.039 record 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.719 I'm not sure okay 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.119 Yeah, no my wife wants one 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.110 I just want to be clear because what because I see this and 00:55:47.110 --> 00:55:48.440 I hear your concerns 00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:51.260 Yeah, it sounds like those concerns have been addressed and 00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:55.000 so are you still opposed or have you are you neutral to the 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:55.599 request? 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.340 Are you because that's going to play out on how our overall 00:55:58.340 --> 00:56:01.239 map looks we have right next door to me 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.489 we have a house that has just recently put solar panels on 00:56:05.489 --> 00:56:06.480 the roof and 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:10.679 And that's fine if they want to do that 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.559 as far as a 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.239 variance to the 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:18.400 city code I 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:22.280 Don't know about that because if you grant a variance 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:25.079 for this situation 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.570 Next month somebody's going to want to come up, and they're 00:56:28.570 --> 00:56:31.480 going to want to put something else up and next time 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:35.269 it'll be something else and if we the reason that we have 00:56:35.269 --> 00:56:38.119 these codes now is because they work and 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.929 And they keep the neighborhood up as much as we can so I'm 00:56:43.929 --> 00:56:45.079 kind of 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.679 apprehensive about 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:49.679 changing the code 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.159 For anything 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:54.199 and yet 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.039 I'm not opposed to a carport 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.440 So I guess I'm kind of neutral on the situation. I've 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.079 changed my mind 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.840 Okay, since I found out what it was okay, because I didn't 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.480 know what we've talked about it first. That's very helpful 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:12.039 Okay, so I'm neutral on the fact so so I hope Julie if you 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:12.239 could 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.420 Are you able to update that map at all before we kind of 00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:17.000 open it up for discussion? 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:20.559 I 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.559 Can't update the map however 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.619 In order to approve a various a supermajority is required 00:57:26.619 --> 00:57:27.000 anyway 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.760 So whether there's 20% opposition or not a supermajority 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:33.719 would be required anyway. I'm just thinking visually 00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.719 Some of us are visual 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.139 That's fine, that's just fine. Thank you. Did you have 00:57:40.139 --> 00:57:41.159 anything else you want to add? 00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:44.579 It's going to be me high out in the front yard, and I'd be 00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:45.239 opposed to it 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:48.599 But since it's a carport, I'm going to be up 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:53.039 I'm neutral on the situation. Thank you, sir. Yes 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:59.070 This is a public hearing so if anyone would like to there 00:57:59.070 --> 00:58:00.599 you go approach the microphone 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:02.250 And if you could state your name and address for the record 00:58:02.250 --> 00:58:03.039 . I'll get you sworn in 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.320 Alastin ruffin 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.320 7566 FM 1758 Bowie, Texas 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.320 Under penalty of perjury do you swear or affirm that any 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.300 testimony or information you provide or any statement you 00:58:17.300 --> 00:58:18.639 make before this board is complete 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.159 True and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability 00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:22.320 I do okay go ahead 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:26.480 Okay, so I mean it's it's simple the reason for the carport 00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:30.090 is there is not enough roof surface on south or east or 00:58:30.090 --> 00:58:30.280 west 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.280 Facing to make it work. It is a system designed to meet her 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:34.840 base load 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.820 There will be some buyback on DME side and all that does is 00:58:38.820 --> 00:58:41.039 free up the grid for everybody else 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:43.679 so it's 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:49.599 So yes, it is a carport there will be cars under it all you 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.559 're going to see is a trailing edge of panels 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.139 That's all you'll see you'd need I mean it's going to be as 00:58:55.139 --> 00:58:56.420 high as the roof, right? 00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.480 So you'd need a drone with a camera to see the panels 00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:04.519 So 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.440 We don't do ugly work 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.579 We have a great relationship with Denton our company does 00:59:09.579 --> 00:59:12.639 you can drive around you can see our work. We've done 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:19.199 Six or seven systems in Denton right now one from giant 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.199 ground mounts to 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.719 Most of them are roof mounts 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:28.190 We we don't we don't want to leave the customer unhappy. 00:59:28.190 --> 00:59:29.840 They don't like it. We fix it 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.420 Never had any complaints from any of the neighbors. They've 00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:35.800 actually wanted to sign up so I 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.889 Understand variances. I understand code violations things 00:59:38.889 --> 00:59:39.440 like that 00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:44.849 This is going to help Denton. It's not just for them. They 00:59:44.849 --> 00:59:47.420 're not doing it just for them doing it for everyone 00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:50.840 so I just 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.869 When it comes vote time just just think about your kids, 00:59:54.869 --> 00:59:55.440 you know 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.900 Where's that grid going to be in the next 30 years if 00:59:57.900 --> 01:00:00.639 people like the barn hills get denied? 01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:05.559 Do you happen to have any 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.969 Images you could share with the group on the phone. Do you 01:00:08.969 --> 01:00:10.880 want to bring up the house image? 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.329 I can kind of give them an idea of where everything's gonna 01:00:14.329 --> 01:00:14.480 go 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.030 So I do have a question yes over here you said that the 01:00:23.030 --> 01:00:27.079 full loan how many square feet would you with it required 01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:27.199 to? 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.980 Cover the full load. I don't know what that means 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.940 There you go panels are 290 watt panels apiece 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.280 They'll have inverters AC inverters which rapid shutdowns 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.019 So if somebody happens to climb on and start messing with 01:00:45.019 --> 01:00:46.519 something no one's gonna die 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.559 But the 01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:53.400 something like this 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.239 The carport he designed we're going almost edge to edge 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.440 with it, but still staying within fire code 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.590 So square footage square footage on this is a total square 01:01:04.590 --> 01:01:05.280 footage 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:11.179 Maybe a thousand square feet. I mean, it's just whatever 01:01:11.179 --> 01:01:14.679 the size of the roof is on the carport 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.639 Right, so a thousand square feet how much of the existing 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.960 roof would be 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.019 Sufficient for solar panels to obtain that solar okay 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:29.800 well 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.739 You can't put anything facing north correct the back side 01:01:32.739 --> 01:01:35.519 of the house where is the most roof roof surface, right? 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.920 That's all north that you can't do that one 01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.340 There's no credits DME says no and your system will never 01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:44.360 work like it's supposed to but on the south side 01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.360 How much on the south side? 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:54.300 There's there's enough room there to get 16 16 of the 35 01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:58.360 proposed panels to go up there how many square footage is 01:01:58.360 --> 01:01:58.400 that 01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.760 See quick math 01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:05.400 There's an app for that 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:11.440 I'm terrible with math. Where's my kit? There it is. Okay 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.360 So 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:32.519 Roughly 640 square feet so not even that out of a thousand 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.960 640 can be on that existing roof. Yeah, and that they think 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.079 that that's too much. Let me see 01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:46.719 Yeah 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.840 Yeah, the pan the panels themselves are 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.440 66 inches long by 40 inches wide 01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:57.360 So smaller than a sheet of plywood and there'll be eight 01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:58.719 across two high on 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:02.500 The south facing roof and then everything else will be on 01:03:02.500 --> 01:03:04.159 the carport if it's approved 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:05.360 And if this if this structure is approved would that 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:05.360 basically take them off the electrical grid they'd they'd 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:13.280 have no no 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:16.159 Everything that we do is grid tied unless they opt out. 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:16.440 Sorry 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.380 I know you mean yeah, because you said the DME could buy 01:03:20.380 --> 01:03:20.599 back 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.340 But I'm sorry, what would it meet there would it basically 01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:25.690 meet their their needs for electricity on a day-to-day 01:03:25.690 --> 01:03:26.039 basis? 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.480 Yes after the energy when we come in we do whole home 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:30.460 energy audit 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.360 Figure out what your annual consumption is and build a 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:35.840 system to that size 01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.599 Did they do this one at a hundred percent? 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:40.760 Do you know? 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:43.519 Do they size it at a hundred percent or like? I? 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:54.000 Mr.. Barnhill mr.. Barnhill can you come forward please and 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:56.559 sorry that no this is this is helpful 01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.300 So we're gonna speak into the microphone so we can get it 01:03:59.300 --> 01:04:03.119 on record for everyone, and I got to swear you in - I know 01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:06.960 Okay, so name and record please 29. I mean burden and then 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:07.579 okay 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.579 Under penalty of perjury do you swear or affirm that any 01:04:12.579 --> 01:04:15.260 testimony or information you provide or any statement you 01:04:15.260 --> 01:04:16.139 make before this board is 01:04:16.139 --> 01:04:18.880 Complete true and correct to the best of your knowledge and 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:20.440 ability yes, thanks 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:22.079 I'm gonna have this memorized so the time this meetings 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.340 over it's okay. Go ahead so okay 01:04:24.340 --> 01:04:27.309 What we say when we were negotiating this in the beginning 01:04:27.309 --> 01:04:29.139 and they came in and did the survey 01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:33.280 They said 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.019 Theoretically you probably won't have an electric bill 01:04:36.019 --> 01:04:36.360 anymore 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.800 But in reality in the heat of the summer you know 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.800 You may be spending 40 or 50 bucks as opposed to the 600. 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.380 We're spending now and and I caught up you know 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:54.610 To some folks that have gotten solar panels and and you 01:04:54.610 --> 01:04:57.449 know we just kind of discuss it and they're saying that's 01:04:57.449 --> 01:04:57.679 true 01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.920 You know you just have to have enough 01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:01.960 You know if you start cutting down 01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:04.539 What you can put it you know you're getting less 01:05:04.539 --> 01:05:05.599 electricity so 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.360 But with what they propose 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:12.369 Again, he said theoretically there. You know you should be 01:05:12.369 --> 01:05:14.800 free of an electric bill, but in reality 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.369 You know maybe a couple hundred dollars during peak usage 01:05:18.369 --> 01:05:19.800 days. Yeah, something so 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:23.519 I had a question 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:27.860 Your wife who wants to carport did she like the one on the 01:05:27.860 --> 01:05:31.320 end not the one across from us, but 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.219 Yeah, okay, but the other one and we we went down and 01:05:36.219 --> 01:05:39.420 looked at that and we've you know we won't like that 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:42.039 like the one across the street from us I 01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.110 Met because I was I was at your property today getting a 01:05:45.110 --> 01:05:47.360 better look at this and what the one across the street was 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:48.079 really noticeable 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.400 All right, the what as I was driving 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:53.780 Your wife said make you know keep a lookout for the other 01:05:53.780 --> 01:05:54.280 one at the end 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.559 And I I almost missed it because it just kind of blended it 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:57.760 and blends right. Yeah, yeah 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.119 It's not a nice or at all 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.360 Okay 01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:07.079 Are there any questions of 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.280 The applicants or the speakers 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:14.019 And the solar shingles they are so expensive and 01:06:14.019 --> 01:06:14.639 inefficient 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.699 You'd have to have a roof twice that size to get even a 01:06:17.699 --> 01:06:19.719 third of what we want what we're proposing 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.070 I just figured the technology will come down. It will it 01:06:22.070 --> 01:06:23.519 will it's getting there. It's just that 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.760 Elon Musk is a good salesman. I 01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:29.800 Have a question for you, sir 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:34.550 Mr. Serra may I be recognized would you just point out to 01:06:34.550 --> 01:06:38.480 us where that setback would be the about 10-foot? 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:42.019 Setback about where where it would come to on that picture 01:06:42.019 --> 01:06:42.239 there 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.070 It would extend like that's essentially a three-car 01:07:01.070 --> 01:07:02.579 driveway, yes, sir 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.000 It would cover all that much with 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:08.679 the whole driveway I 01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:12.309 Don't even think it would cover that I think you maybe two 01:07:12.309 --> 01:07:15.159 cars with one just right there at curb level 01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.079 Hanging out the back of it 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:19.880 Is it good? 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:23.719 Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no you have to recognize me 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.239 Who was first? He was first 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:28.639 Not sure 01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:32.280 Where's Danny one of it? If you if you push three cars 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.000 If you push three cars up against the house 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:40.059 Because that a driveway will accommodate cross not down 01:07:40.059 --> 01:07:42.420 right so the whole go all the way across. Yes, sir 01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.519 That's what the seven feet on the sides for 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.639 So I guess the yeah proposed 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.280 I 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.599 Miss us a lot. Could you go back to that other picture? Do 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:05.159 you know I'm sorry, ma'am 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.380 I'm just trying to visualize this from the neighbors 01:08:08.380 --> 01:08:08.960 perspective 01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:13.760 So are you gonna follow the lines of that Eve that? 01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.489 That triangle there are you or you come in outside of that 01:08:17.489 --> 01:08:18.880 or inside of that? 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:21.479 Where's your carport? 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.319 By this picture 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.920 Sir, sir, if you can get to the mic 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.079 Can you go to the microphone and can he maybe use a cursor 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:37.399 or something or the mouse and identify yourself, too? 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.800 Okay, okay. Okay. Hold on we're gonna take a break. I need 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.119 you to if you could please 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:54.029 Just one more time for the record. Just your name again. I 01:08:54.029 --> 01:08:54.479 know you are 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.409 And I don't have to swear you in again. It's okay. Is there 01:08:57.409 --> 01:08:59.520 a way that he can use a cursor so he can 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:02.640 There so you can speak into the microphone 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:06.319 No, I was wondering that the thank you pitch of the roof is 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:09.319 it going to fall exactly the pitch? 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.000 That's coming off the front is going to be larger smaller 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:17.590 The driveway is has a fairly decent slope downhill towards 01:09:17.590 --> 01:09:18.239 the street 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:21.279 And the carport is going to pitch that direction 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.710 It's going to be a single slope. It will it will the front 01:09:25.710 --> 01:09:28.079 edge of it will attach to the house 01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:33.090 right along here below the eave but above the garage doors 01:09:33.090 --> 01:09:33.439 and 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:38.039 It will be a basically a flat structure with a slope. Oh 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.560 sloping towards the street 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.479 To about where this joint is in the concrete 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:47.520 over to this side of the side driveway 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.439 When you say it was architecturally compatible, I guess I 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:52.199 was picturing 01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.670 It was going to capture that pitch of the eaves and come 01:09:55.670 --> 01:09:58.119 out like this. Well, it's gonna be flat 01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:02.140 For their best use of the solar panels. It's better if it's 01:10:02.140 --> 01:10:02.319 flat 01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:05.739 I understand pitch then they end up losing the ability to 01:10:05.739 --> 01:10:07.500 use one side. I understand 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:09.720 Thank you 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:13.939 Thank you all metal with trim trim that actually matches 01:10:13.939 --> 01:10:15.140 the color of the trim of the house 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.670 It'll just kind of blend right in with it. Thank you. And I 01:10:17.670 --> 01:10:20.640 think it's important to to point out to your question 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.670 Mr. Higgins how far out to the side it was going to extend 01:10:23.670 --> 01:10:26.359 that they are the applicant is requesting a 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.159 Variance into the side yard 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.640 But it is that neighbor to the side that also wrote in 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:35.920 support of this request and there as I understand it 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:39.329 They actually own and reside in that property and the 01:10:39.329 --> 01:10:42.000 people across the street with the other carport 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:48.439 Yeah, mr. Saka 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.659 Mr. Saka I really quickly how many square feet is the car 01:10:56.659 --> 01:10:57.960 port? 01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:03.560 Did a thousand square feet is it 1200 square feet is it 01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.840 That isn't written on my drawing but I can tell you in just 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:09.680 a moment 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:21.560 737 and a half square feet 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:28.760 And 01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:32.180 Since they're looking at like a thousand square feet of 01:11:32.180 --> 01:11:32.520 panels 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:36.220 they're still going to put some on the house on the side 01:11:36.220 --> 01:11:37.520 that they can use and 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:40.609 Then they're going to use the carport structure to support 01:11:40.609 --> 01:11:41.279 the rest of them 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.020 That's the plan right? Yeah, that's the plan. Okay. Any 01:11:49.020 --> 01:11:51.399 other questions? 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:55.810 Very helpful. Thank you. I think you can take a seat, but 01:11:55.810 --> 01:11:59.300 you might have to come up later. So stay tuned 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.250 Yeah, you bet. Thank you. This is a public hearing. So if 01:12:02.250 --> 01:12:05.039 there's anyone who would like to speak for or against this 01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.779 Proposal or this request you have a few minutes at the 01:12:08.779 --> 01:12:09.399 microphone 01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:13.399 Anyone 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.470 Okay, seeing none I will close the public hearing correct 01:12:18.470 --> 01:12:19.640 legal counsel 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.449 We're closing the public hearings and opening it up to 01:12:22.449 --> 01:12:25.199 discussion. Okay, I'm gonna close the public hearing now at 01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:29.319 516 and we can open it up for discussion 01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.350 Can we discuss I think we can just go right on into it. So 01:12:34.350 --> 01:12:35.800 mr. Saka I 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:41.619 Would say I'm not in favor in most particularly because I 01:12:41.619 --> 01:12:43.359 think if you look at the criteria 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.869 Which guides us that is special circumstances or conditions 01:12:47.869 --> 01:12:51.199 that apply to the parcel for which the variance is sought 01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:51.319 which 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.229 Are peculiar to the parcel and not generally to other parc 01:12:55.229 --> 01:12:58.159 els in the area. I think that's a no I 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:00.760 think 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:03.500 You know the granting of the variance will not be 01:13:03.500 --> 01:13:07.079 detrimental to the public welfare injurious to others 01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:10.760 Well, I don't know even the gentleman that came up here 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:11.520 said he wasn't 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.659 Sure, is that just gonna open the door to have a whole 01:13:14.659 --> 01:13:16.640 bunch of variances for more carports? 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:18.960 and 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.180 The granting of the variance is necessary for the 01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:23.479 reasonable use of the parcel. I would say it's not 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:26.520 I 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.039 Would also 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:36.479 Say that what we are really talking about is a is a carport 01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.520 the granting of a carport 01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.119 Not the granting of a solar panel 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.760 Even though that's a great roost to you know, great thing 01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:49.140 to discuss and I'm so totally in favor of car of solar 01:13:49.140 --> 01:13:49.720 panels 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:54.569 I just don't think looking at the neighborhood in general 01:13:54.569 --> 01:13:55.520 and the fact that 01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:58.119 two carports were 01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:00.640 Mistakenly 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:04.060 Developed in that neighborhood should allow us to grant a 01:14:04.060 --> 01:14:05.279 variance for all 01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.739 Carports now if I had a hundred percent of the neighbors or 01:14:08.739 --> 01:14:12.039 ninety percent of the neighbors saying yeah 01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:15.449 Go ahead and we want to put carports all over the place. I 01:14:15.449 --> 01:14:17.859 think that's a little different. So I'm gonna vote against 01:14:17.859 --> 01:14:18.000 it 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:23.399 Yeah, please 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:25.600 Just something to add to 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:31.310 Sokos comments is that I would even make it a more basic 01:14:31.310 --> 01:14:32.960 classification is that 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:38.560 It's not really a variance to a carport. It's a variance to 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:39.359 any structure 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:44.119 So technically or let me say theoretically you could board 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:46.239 up that structure in the future 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:48.720 Not saying that these applicants are going to 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:51.680 but maybe it is possible that if 01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.329 The variance is granted here and then subsequent property 01:14:55.329 --> 01:14:56.640 owners in the neighborhood 01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:59.979 Some neighbor could do that and so you can actually have an 01:14:59.979 --> 01:15:03.140 enclosed structure because this is only a variance for the 01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.520 Distance requirements for the setbacks. That's my question 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.399 Yeah, mr. Higgins I 01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:17.439 Really want to call for miss barnhill on 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:23.039 the effort and expense and trouble they went to develop 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:24.960 this and to be exacted and it's 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.029 Presentation and it really is it really is well done. I 01:15:29.029 --> 01:15:29.520 think 01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:31.880 I 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.479 Wish I could support it. I but I can't and I'll make my 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:37.600 arguments in the following way 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:41.600 First of all, I agree with mr. Commissioner Saco 01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.630 when you go through the criteria, it does not meet the 01:15:45.630 --> 01:15:47.399 criteria and I'm 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:51.489 Inclined to think like mr. Tribble thinks you know, I mean 01:15:51.489 --> 01:15:54.520 the camel gets his nose under the tent and then 01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.079 Even though if a gets it that doesn't mean B should get it 01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:00.960 there's sort of a bias to help be get it because they got 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.359 it and 01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:05.000 So I would that would be a problem for me 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:07.800 second I would 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.439 Bring bring up what mr. Mangitha mentioned which is that 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:14.340 while we're talking a lot about solar panels and the desir 01:16:14.340 --> 01:16:15.079 ability of that 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.800 That is not the governing consideration here. The governing 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.760 consideration is the variance and 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:26.010 Really when I look at that and I see the scale and I drove 01:16:26.010 --> 01:16:27.840 I drove the site today 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:29.840 It's been about 10 minutes looking at 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.439 the scale of that that is really 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:36.859 Really is large. That's not really consistent with what 01:16:36.859 --> 01:16:38.079 happens in the neighborhood 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:40.520 so 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:42.520 That's that's a problem with me 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:47.439 When you 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:49.439 Drive the site and you look at the three 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.989 Car carport right across the street which does extend way 01:16:53.989 --> 01:16:55.199 out now 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:58.159 This was going to extend way out to it's a shame that they 01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.119 'd be right now right across from each other like that 01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:04.039 but that's going to create I really think 01:17:07.020 --> 01:17:09.890 Something there's not complimentary to the neighborhood or 01:17:09.890 --> 01:17:13.279 to the values the property in the neighborhood and finally 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:14.359 what I would say is I 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.119 Looked at the vote here 01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:19.760 of the neighbors and I realized that 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:22.560 Miss Barnhill has included two 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:27.199 positive votes in her in her applicant in her packet 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:29.520 but when you look at the 01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.550 Ones the neighbors that have submitted in response to the 01:17:32.550 --> 01:17:34.100 solicitation from the city 01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:39.399 The vote was the vote was five to two against now, mr. Barn 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:39.800 hill 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:44.079 I mean, sorry, mr. Triple B becoming ambivalent on the deal 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:45.479 . So if I scratch that 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:50.869 It's still a vote of four to two against and it's not just 01:17:50.869 --> 01:17:52.880 that it's that vote neighbors 01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:56.500 I think want to support neighbors my neighbor down the 01:17:56.500 --> 01:17:57.880 street wanted to do something 01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:01.289 I'd like to let them do help them do it and do what they 01:18:01.289 --> 01:18:01.600 want to do 01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:04.880 So it says to me that on balance there 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.000 of those that voted 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:12.020 There there is a concern about its impact upon the 01:18:12.020 --> 01:18:13.000 neighborhood 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:14.880 so 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.439 with all compliment to miss Barnhill and 01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.000 What she wants to do? 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:23.739 And how she's presented it. I feel like I have to vote 01:18:23.739 --> 01:18:24.359 against it 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:32.020 I'm sorry. No because what the the the public hearing is 01:18:32.020 --> 01:18:33.979 closed now. Thank you 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:37.119 Mr. Surratt 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.189 This is one of those decisions that I used to deal with 01:18:41.189 --> 01:18:43.880 with my children and with my students is 01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:47.960 that my emotions tell me one way and the rules tell me 01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:49.279 another way and 01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:55.369 I also want to support it and I'm also concerned that my 01:18:55.369 --> 01:18:56.960 emotions for 01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.939 Alternative energy are not one of the criteria's that we 01:19:00.939 --> 01:19:01.960 can consider 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.220 I would say that if the 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:07.279 board 01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.039 decides to decline 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.840 That I would like I really think that that this is 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:14.520 something that's needed in the city that more 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.560 momentum for this and that you should go to your 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:21.880 council representative and 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:26.569 Look at doing some site designs and you know some sort of 01:19:26.569 --> 01:19:27.079 codes 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:31.140 How do we put solar collectors where there's not enough 01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:31.479 space? 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:34.960 I have a south-facing garage, and I'm waiting for the 01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:39.119 technology to arrive so that it fits the space of my garage 01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:42.050 Then I'm going to reroute my garage put solar panels on it, 01:19:42.050 --> 01:19:42.840 and that's what I'm waiting for 01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.920 You know, but I would love to see it. I'd love to see that 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.199 Energy because it's something I really want in the city so 01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:53.840 go to the council see what kind of site design what kind of 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:53.840 ? 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:56.479 things that we can do 01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.279 But anyway, that's so I 01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:06.279 Have some reflections and 01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:09.899 So I'm actually going to disagree with staff's 01:20:09.899 --> 01:20:11.960 interpretation of some of the 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:15.000 special circumstances 01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:18.800 Because I see for example the staff argues that 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:23.600 Okay, so section 35 3 6 b 2 DDC blah blah 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:28.500 Section a or it says the subject property does not have 01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:30.850 special circumstances or conditions that do not apply 01:20:30.850 --> 01:20:32.359 generally to other parcels in the neighborhood 01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:34.699 I'm going to disagree with that the reason I'm going to 01:20:34.699 --> 01:20:36.359 disagree with that is because this is actually an owner 01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:37.460 occupied property 01:20:37.460 --> 01:20:39.479 There's a lot of rentals on the street 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:44.359 These are the owners of the property the people who have 01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:48.100 There are the map did not reflect it and I wish that it 01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:49.920 would have been more accurate this evening 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:53.989 But those who support this also live like directly across 01:20:53.989 --> 01:20:57.399 the street and in visual they're going to see this it's 01:20:57.399 --> 01:20:58.239 going to impact 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:00.640 Arguably their properties more than any of the other 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:01.840 properties on the street 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.579 and and so I think that this does have a special 01:21:04.579 --> 01:21:07.039 circumstance because its owner occupied and 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.720 The owner is seeking out solar panels 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.949 Which is something we as a city have set out as a goal to 01:21:14.949 --> 01:21:18.720 to make easier for our residents to do and 01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:21.479 And I don't see us 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.739 Working with the resident in this so this is a very special 01:21:24.739 --> 01:21:26.399 circumstance owner occupied 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.479 wants a solar panel it fits in with the Denton 2030 plan 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:31.680 and to your point mr. 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.439 Mengita you you said it's not necessarily the solar panels 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:36.600 that were against but the placement of them I 01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:41.279 Hear your point however. This is an estate these either 01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:43.279 there are established trees all up and down 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:47.960 This this street. This is an older home with with older 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:48.840 trees on it 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.699 It's kind of silly to put up solar panels if you have to 01:21:51.699 --> 01:21:54.079 cut down trees to do it kind of defeats the purpose right 01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:54.319 and 01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.489 So so I hear that it's not a sub at the solar plans but 01:21:57.489 --> 01:21:58.159 placement of them 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:02.180 But I mean when we have people in the in the city center 01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:05.199 who who want to improve their property 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:09.020 And the city's not really willing to work with them on that 01:22:09.020 --> 01:22:11.449 even though the city has said we we need to make this a 01:22:11.449 --> 01:22:11.640 priority 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:15.130 I see a real disconnect there, so I disagree with staffs 01:22:15.130 --> 01:22:18.039 interpretation of that and secondly part B 01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.779 What you know they're trying to create visually uniform 01:22:20.779 --> 01:22:21.359 neighborhoods? 01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:24.720 There are other existing 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:28.800 Carports on the street one is done very nicely 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.729 That I almost I drove past and I almost missed it and so 01:22:32.729 --> 01:22:35.439 when it's done nicely it can create 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.619 Some some uniformity in the neighborhood because there are 01:22:38.619 --> 01:22:39.260 already existing 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:42.909 Structures so so I disagree with staffs interpretation of 01:22:42.909 --> 01:22:46.159 this I am in support of this and I think it's 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:49.659 Really unfortunate that we're making the applicant jump 01:22:49.659 --> 01:22:52.329 through so many hoops when we have explicitly said as a 01:22:52.329 --> 01:22:53.520 city that this is something 01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:58.199 That we want to to work on and and become a greener city 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:01.119 And so so I'm actually in support of this and wish we can 01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:03.319 make it easier for people in the future 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:07.880 So other discussion 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:14.640 Mr. House I'm gonna have to agree of mr. Sacco and 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.359 gentlemen to my right I 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:21.199 Don't think that this meets the special circumstances 01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.939 And I don't think that just because the homeowner versus a 01:23:23.939 --> 01:23:26.560 very heavily rental neighborhood is meeting special 01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:27.439 circumstances 01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.180 That's like saying well. I own my car, but you lease so I 01:23:30.180 --> 01:23:32.439 get the right of way it doesn't work for me 01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:37.909 And I understand that they've got these large old-growth 01:23:37.909 --> 01:23:39.760 trees, and I'm not saying they should come down 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:41.760 But they maybe could be thinned quite a bit 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:45.060 Maybe they could get some solar panels on their roof 01:23:45.060 --> 01:23:47.539 instead of all the ones they want and not get a hundred 01:23:47.539 --> 01:23:47.880 percent 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.300 But get some of them off their belt. There's just options 01:23:51.300 --> 01:23:51.960 seems to me 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:54.439 that 01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:56.239 Can be met 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:58.239 within the codes as they stand 01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:01.319 And just because there's two carports one that was 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:02.720 permitted by mistake 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:06.539 Okay, and one that was has seems almost from the 01:24:06.539 --> 01:24:09.960 description from staff almost like a scoff-law 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.760 Who's in an agreement that yes my neighbor across the 01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:14.079 street should have a carport like mine 01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:16.260 So then next month I can come and get a variance for mine 01:24:16.260 --> 01:24:18.930 too that I've been building since 2003 and rebuilding and 01:24:18.930 --> 01:24:19.800 rebuilding and rebuilding 01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:21.479 so 01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:24.569 Their support kind of doesn't carry it for me considering 01:24:24.569 --> 01:24:25.520 that they're already 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.840 Violating city ordinance and have been since a long time 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.119 back and they keep rebuilding it and they keep adding on to 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:33.199 it 01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:35.720 And they keep changing it every time they buy or sell a 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:36.920 boat or a car or whatnot 01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:39.920 so I'm a little concerned that 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:43.119 while I believe that these 01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.760 residents have every intention of building a 01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:49.560 solar panel structure 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:53.340 The question does become a concern of what about the next 01:24:53.340 --> 01:24:56.279 person that comes in wants to get a variance for their 01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:56.960 extended 01:24:57.560 --> 01:24:59.640 Okay, so it's a concern for me 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:02.060 And I don't see anything that meets the guidelines for a 01:25:02.060 --> 01:25:05.319 variance in this case while it is said and I do like the 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:05.399 idea 01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:07.399 of solar panels like everybody else I 01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:10.359 Don't see anything that says to me that 01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:14.069 They can't live in their house without this solar panel 01:25:14.069 --> 01:25:16.239 array the way that they want to build it right now 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:21.680 Mr. Sokka, did you have your hand up? I was gonna make a 01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:23.899 motion that we deny the 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:27.399 The variance as requested 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:30.239 Second 01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:33.659 The first from mr. Sokka a second from mr. House and the 01:25:33.659 --> 01:25:35.119 motion is to deny the request 01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:37.640 Is there any further discussion before we take a vote? 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:41.439 All in favor of denial 01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:46.920 Five 01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:50.979 And I I guess I would then I guess voting against the 01:25:50.979 --> 01:25:51.600 denial 01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:57.810 That's two so the vote carries five to two and the variance 01:25:57.810 --> 01:25:58.640 is denied 01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.199 Requires so 01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:06.470 Required can you interpret that for me? It requires a super 01:26:06.470 --> 01:26:07.479 majority so 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:12.000 Can you can you speak I want to hear what your answer is 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:16.680 action taken by this board requires a super majority 01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.369 So we're a hung jury or something. Is that what that means? 01:26:21.369 --> 01:26:25.600 I'll make it easy. Yeah, let me I'm gonna make another 01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:26.279 motion 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.779 I'll make a motion. We approve it, which means if we have a 01:26:30.779 --> 01:26:34.319 superman now, we already voted what right so 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:37.079 So I want to hear your answer. The motion was to deny 01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:41.130 The variance request now if mr. Sokka wants to make a 01:26:41.130 --> 01:26:44.439 motion to approve staff's recommendation 01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.960 It's my understanding that would 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:49.399 not be a denial that would be 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:53.489 Affirmation of staffs recommendation. Okay. I'm gonna rephr 01:26:53.489 --> 01:26:53.520 ase 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:57.979 So so we voted it was five to however was not a supermajor 01:26:57.979 --> 01:27:00.840 ity therefore the motion does not 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:05.199 Carry is that correct? Well it if I can interrupt 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:09.960 The super majority is to approve it to approve only 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:13.640 To deny it does it the supermajority does not? 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:17.520 They don't think you need a supermajority 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:20.399 Jobbing is me hard 01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:30.119 The reason why a variance requires a supermajority in under 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.840 these circumstances it's to approve only 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:39.819 Right. So by the five to vote to deny the request is that 01:27:39.819 --> 01:27:40.119 vote? 01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.949 Doesn't approve it doesn't approve it. No, because it's not 01:27:43.949 --> 01:27:47.430 an affirmative vote to approve if we did if somebody did a 01:27:47.430 --> 01:27:48.680 motion to approve it 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:50.479 Which is probably what I should have done 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:54.720 Which and then we got a second and then we voted against it 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:59.600 Then it would be dead. So that's where the confusions, but 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.000 I think it's a text. I'm just interested mr. Sokka's 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:09.039 Larry names so suck suck. Oh, yeah. Yes, sir. I interpreted 01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:09.939 his to be a denial 01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:12.960 of 01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:15.390 Staffs recommendation, but you're actually saying you're 01:28:15.390 --> 01:28:17.909 proving staffs recommendation. So that doesn't that is what 01:28:17.909 --> 01:28:18.859 I was saying. Yes 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:22.170 So that does not say deny the variance the great variance, 01:28:22.170 --> 01:28:22.800 right? 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:25.840 So where we at? 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:28.880 So that that motion carries 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:32.100 Because it doesn't require a supermajority. That's correct 01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.539 It's only the change in the ordinance that grant that the 01:28:35.539 --> 01:28:38.340 variance ordinance requires a supermajority 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:42.010 Prove it would require a six one vote but to deny it we 01:28:42.010 --> 01:28:43.000 just did 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:49.840 Is it yes six one or five two, oh wait, we've got six 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:50.800 people so 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:54.720 Clear as mud 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:01.840 Be a five one vote, okay 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.039 So in a nutshell we've 01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:07.800 approved staffs 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:09.720 recommendation of 01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:11.720 denial 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.279 Yeah, that's good she was like, yeah sure 01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:22.439 Okay, sorry, okay, and I lost all my notes 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:37.460 Okay, thank you. All right that brings us to the end of our 01:29:37.460 --> 01:29:39.789 agenda any concluding items is there anything we'd like to 01:29:39.789 --> 01:29:40.439 see it future 01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:43.239 ZBA meetings or any 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:45.359 other items we need to 01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:47.960 Mention it this time 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:51.000 Okay 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:55.090 Mr. Sarrat not for us, but I would I mean I am in favor of 01:29:55.090 --> 01:29:58.039 more of this and and before I feel comfortable with 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:01.649 Granting variances. I'd like the council to weigh in on 01:30:01.649 --> 01:30:04.119 what they'd like things to look at so, you know 01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:07.020 I take a message to council that will probably more and 01:30:07.020 --> 01:30:08.199 more of these and I 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:10.829 Agree, and I think it's something that the planning and 01:30:10.829 --> 01:30:13.199 zoning board should probably look at into the planning 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:13.600 department 01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:16.479 Yeah, you guys been you know under while you got a lot of a 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:19.720 lot of things that you have to deal with every day 01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:23.949 But we have a dent in 2030 plan and we're almost to 2020. 01:30:23.949 --> 01:30:24.279 Yeah 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:26.850 So we like if we want to further these goals. These are the 01:30:26.850 --> 01:30:29.159 types of things that we need. Okay, we have it in our plan 01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:30.039 How are we gonna get there? 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.449 I would recommend the staff take that to PNZ or council so 01:30:33.449 --> 01:30:34.560 that we have a plan for 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:37.659 how these things supposed to look and and I'd be happy to 01:30:37.659 --> 01:30:38.739 write a letter to 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:42.199 Encourage that because I don't like turning down folks 01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.069 I just have to stick I feel I have to stick by the rules, 01:30:45.069 --> 01:30:47.680 but I'm my hearts are with them, you know, and 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:52.689 So I if I can make another comment to you on this to me is 01:30:52.689 --> 01:30:53.399 was has 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:57.119 To me had absolutely nothing to do with the solar panels. 01:30:57.119 --> 01:30:59.159 Yeah, that's the problem to me 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:02.239 I'm fully in support of solar panels. We'll live for every 01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:02.979 neighborhood damn 01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:06.670 But when you're building new structures to incorporate a 01:31:06.670 --> 01:31:07.500 solar panel 01:31:07.500 --> 01:31:10.739 I have a problem with that if it varies from the ordinance 01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:14.500 Sounds like something for future staff and PNZ and council. 01:31:14.500 --> 01:31:16.960 Yeah, I'd love to see them come up with a consistency 01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:19.960 Is there anything else? I 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:22.680 Don't I know we've always voted in the past to adjourn the 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:24.760 meeting but is that a thing that we have to do is that 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.500 Just kind of yeah, we do. Okay. All right. Is there a 01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:28.760 motion to adjourn the meeting? 01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:32.479 Mr. House second mr. Cole all in favor 01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:35.520 All right