1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,219 It is now 4 p.m. We are in the City Council work session 2 00:00:05,219 --> 00:00:05,440 room. 3 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:08,759 All right 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,820 Looking around do we definitely have a core a quorum for 5 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:13,039 today's meeting? 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,510 So we are all set to go. What I'd like to do is go ahead 7 00:00:16,510 --> 00:00:18,640 and convene into a work session. 8 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:24,640 Do we have a motion to convene into a work session? 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,670 Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? We have a 10 00:00:29,670 --> 00:00:32,759 second for Mr. Cole. All right, we are now in the 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,479 part of our agenda. That's a work session. 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,340 Work session is clarification of agenda items listed on the 13 00:00:39,340 --> 00:00:39,679 regular 14 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:42,880 meeting portion of the agenda and to discuss issues of not 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,420 briefed in the written backup materials. 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,979 And then following the completion of the work session the Z 17 00:00:48,979 --> 00:00:52,460 oning Board of Adjustment will convene into a regular 18 00:00:52,460 --> 00:00:53,799 meeting to consider 19 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:58,479 the items. All right, are there is there any clarification 20 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:01,439 relating to today's 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,000 agenda items and we have 22 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:07,799 on it 23 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:10,280 two different matters one is 24 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:13,290 consider and appoint members of the Zoning Board of Adjust 25 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:16,950 ment for the chair and the vice chair position and then the 26 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:18,019 second is ZBA 27 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:23,040 17-009 which is consider approval of the 2018 Zoning Board 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:23,159 of 29 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:27,530 Adjustment calendar. So we have three matters and then we 30 00:01:27,530 --> 00:01:28,760 have a public hearing. 31 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,019 Do any of the commissioners wish to discuss any of those 32 00:01:34,019 --> 00:01:34,400 items? 33 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:49,180 Chair, if I can address that. You can't address that 34 00:01:49,180 --> 00:01:50,239 because I'm not sure why either. 35 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:53,159 That is that's just an opportunity for 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,040 the board to provide any 37 00:01:56,719 --> 00:02:00,140 concluding items any items that they would like to see at a 38 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:01,400 future meeting. 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,810 So it's just an opportunity to discuss any items again that 40 00:02:04,810 --> 00:02:06,879 the board would like to see at a future. 41 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,199 It will be it that's a standing item. 42 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:16,199 I don't really remember it being on the last 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,729 notice, but maybe it was and we just ignored it. I don't 44 00:02:19,729 --> 00:02:20,719 know. So 45 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:24,680 it's just a standing item again. It gives us the legal 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,560 item away to 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,289 receive input and provide some request. As far as the work 48 00:02:31,289 --> 00:02:33,960 session if there's no item on the work session or 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,069 questions that we would like to discuss during the work 50 00:02:36,069 --> 00:02:38,460 session we can go ahead and straight into the regular 51 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:39,039 meeting. 52 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,939 Okay, anybody else any other comments? Thank you, Mr. Higg 53 00:02:43,939 --> 00:02:44,159 ins. 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,740 Okay, do I hear a motion to move to to close the work 55 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:53,879 session? 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Okay. 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,960 All right, do we have a second? 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,080 We have a second all in favor? 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,169 I'm not sure whether we have to close or open it, but but I 60 00:03:11,169 --> 00:03:12,479 'm doing it I did it anyway. 61 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,520 So all right, so we're gonna convene now at 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,560 4 into the regular meeting and 63 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:23,509 let's go ahead and start with the Pledge of Allegiance if 64 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:27,000 everyone would stand. Take off any hats if you have it and 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,099 and our flag is right over here. Ready? Pledge allegiance 66 00:03:32,099 --> 00:03:34,599 to the flag of the United States of America and to the 67 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:34,599 Republic for which it stands, one nation under God and ind 68 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:34,680 ivisible with liberty and justice for all. 69 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:49,360 Okay, let's go ahead do the Texas flag honor the Texas flag 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:49,360 . 71 00:03:57,639 --> 00:03:59,639 Okay. 72 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:08,120 All right, our first agenda item is ZBA 17-007. 73 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,259 Consider approval of the Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting 74 00:04:11,259 --> 00:04:12,000 minutes and 75 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,669 that's an attachment under our packet and those are for the 76 00:04:15,669 --> 00:04:16,639 September 25th 77 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:22,769 2017 meeting. Has everyone had the opportunity to review 78 00:04:22,769 --> 00:04:23,759 those minutes? 79 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:29,639 Do I have a motion to approve them? 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,540 I have a motion for Mr. Higgins and a second from Mr. House 81 00:04:34,540 --> 00:04:36,800 . Any discussion? 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,519 Hearing no discussion all in favor? 83 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,199 Aye. 84 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:47,230 Motion carries. Okay, let's go to item number three. 85 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:48,920 Consider for individual 86 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,680 considerations ZBA 17-008. 87 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:57,180 Consider and appoint members for the Zoning Board of Adjust 88 00:04:57,180 --> 00:05:02,160 ment Chair and Vice Chair positions. Okay. 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,319 Okay, so at this point we can take nominations 90 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,660 and then we can kind of go from there and take some 91 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:19,199 nominations and go from there. So let's do one at a time. 92 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:21,199 Let's go ahead and do the 93 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,480 chair position first. 94 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,800 Nominating Amber Brighill. 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,120 Is there a second? 96 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,680 Nomination of Amber Brighill from Mr. Higgins and a second 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,480 from Mr. House. Okay, any discussion? 98 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:50,759 Oh, we could I'm sorry. Yeah. 99 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:54,500 I will be happy to serve at the liberty of the group 100 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:57,319 whatever y'all want to do. It's totally fine with me. 101 00:05:57,759 --> 00:05:59,759 Or not. 102 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:03,839 I would be honored to serve as the chair, but I also if you 103 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,879 're you're happy doing it, I would also nominate you. 104 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,610 But I also then I don't know do we arm wrestle for this? I 105 00:06:09,610 --> 00:06:10,279 have no idea. 106 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,160 A mud bath or something? 107 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,160 It's whatever. 108 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:23,379 Absolutely. Well, I didn't hear anyone else forthcoming at 109 00:06:23,379 --> 00:06:23,920 the time. 110 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,839 I don't actually know how the process is. I kind of was at 111 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,000 my first day and 112 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,699 the first committee meeting I was at somebody nominated me 113 00:06:32,699 --> 00:06:34,360 and I was like, okay, I guess I'll do that. 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,100 But it's it's totally open. It's no different than anything 115 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:39,870 else. It's good to probably have some rotation around as 116 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:40,120 well. 117 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,339 So it's whatever y'all decide. It doesn't make any 118 00:06:42,339 --> 00:06:43,519 difference to me either way. 119 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,310 So, thank you. I would be honored to serve as chair. I'm 120 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:52,199 also gonna nominate 121 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,120 Mr. Sacco for the same commission. 122 00:06:55,319 --> 00:07:00,680 So I don't there you go. All right. I guess do we 123 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,540 So I guess we need to think about this because I'm not sure 124 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:04,519 what the structure is. 125 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:06,519 Do we make our campaign speeches now? 126 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:08,519 Oh, hey, you're the one. 127 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:14,519 I was gonna let this continue. 128 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:16,519 See how it went. 129 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:20,860 So there really are no strict rules governing nominations 130 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:23,759 approval, but in this case, 131 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:26,360 I would suggest just taking a chair 132 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:29,680 like you're doing chair and then vice chair. 133 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,600 If there's multiple nominations, then there would be a vote 134 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:33,600 . 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,600 And we can just do that by a show of hands. 136 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,910 Or there could be talk of whether if these are the only two 137 00:07:41,910 --> 00:07:44,689 nominations which wants to go for chair or vice chair vice 138 00:07:44,689 --> 00:07:44,839 versa. 139 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,839 That's also a discussion that you guys could have as well. 140 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:51,240 Well, Amber, are you formally saying 141 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:55,370 if nominated I will not run if elected I will not serve is 142 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:56,480 that what you're saying? 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,269 I'm saying I'm gonna withdraw you want to decline. No, it's 144 00:08:01,269 --> 00:08:03,399 no I'd be sincerely I would be honored. 145 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:07,500 I also want to pay deference to our chair who's in the 146 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:09,680 current position and if he's interested, 147 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,259 I want to at least you know, also I really like when people 148 00:08:13,259 --> 00:08:14,879 vote on things. So 149 00:08:19,959 --> 00:08:21,959 So thank you for your nomination. 150 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,410 Yeah, I had no objection to mr. Sarko just nothing was 151 00:08:26,410 --> 00:08:30,519 forthcoming and I thought ever would be good still do. 152 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Okay. 153 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,389 Well, let me let me switch the discussion a little bit here 154 00:08:36,389 --> 00:08:39,000 so that we're not spending a whole lot of time on it. 155 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,440 I'm happy to serve. I understand Amber's happy to serve. 156 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,360 Are there any other folks that want to be considered for 157 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 the chair or vice chair position? 158 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,840 How about if we did that way? I would go ahead. 159 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,450 I'd be happy to serve as vice chair, but I'd be happy to 160 00:08:55,450 --> 00:08:59,419 give it up as well. Okay, so we essentially have three 161 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:03,669 folks that are interested in doing it. So in that regard 162 00:09:03,669 --> 00:09:07,600 and in deference to having three competent folks, 163 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,840 I'm gonna withdraw 164 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,080 as 165 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,080 being the chair so that 166 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:18,960 we it doesn't hurt to fluctuate in and rotate in I am happy 167 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,279 to withdraw as 168 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,590 from being the chair and defer and allow y'all there to arm 169 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:25,240 wrestle. 170 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,500 I've enjoyed doing it. I think it's been a lot of fun as 171 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:33,519 well as educational to me, but I think like in any 172 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,919 structured 173 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:40,559 group whether it's school board or City Council, it's it's 174 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:41,360 good to 175 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,539 move leadership around and allow folks to have 176 00:09:45,539 --> 00:09:46,759 opportunities 177 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,440 and so it doesn't really bother me one bit to do that and 178 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,799 since we've got two qualified 179 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,519 competent folks, I am happy to defer. That's very gracious. 180 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,919 So as a history suggests the co-CEOs never work. No. 181 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,519 So what I'd like to do then is we have a 182 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,620 nomination and a second for chair for Amber Brighill. 183 00:10:12,799 --> 00:10:14,799 I'd like to 184 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Is there any further discussion on that position chair? 185 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:25,840 Okay hearing no further discussion. 186 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,610 Well, I'm not putting my name to I'm not gonna arm wrestle 187 00:10:30,610 --> 00:10:31,960 her for chair. Okay 188 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,320 What I'd like to do then is go ahead and have a vote on the 189 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,240 chair all in favor of Amber Brighill for 190 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:44,840 chair 191 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,240 For this next coming year say aye 192 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,940 Okay, let's go to vice-chair do we have we've got Marshall 193 00:10:54,940 --> 00:10:56,559 and other nominations are fine 194 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,330 And are there any is there anyone else that would like to 195 00:10:59,330 --> 00:11:00,340 be vice-chair? 196 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,340 Obviously the purpose of vice-chair is step in when the 197 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:04,279 chair is not available 198 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:06,879 And that's Marshall's to ride 199 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,679 Is there a second second and we got a second for mr. Cole 200 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:15,639 any discussion 201 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,080 Hearing no discussion all in favor 202 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,080 All right, so 203 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,200 Does she take over now? 204 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,519 Yes, okay. There we go. See that was nice 205 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,460 I just like I'd like to move my name tag though. Is that 206 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:34,080 okay? Mr. Sacco? 207 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,419 I'm just saying we have so many politicians who want to be 208 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,720 Permanent in the office you are showing at a local level a 209 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,720 model for them 210 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,679 Thank you appreciate that 211 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,720 I 212 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,399 Thoroughly enjoyed learning this ever-changing job 213 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 There's some other people who could learn from 214 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:15,759 No 215 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:21,679 Well, I like creating my own yes 216 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Look why don't we go off the record for two minutes? 217 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Can we do that or not? 218 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,509 We take a yeah. Yeah, let's take a quick two minute break 219 00:12:32,509 --> 00:12:34,039 all in favor. All right 220 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,860 Okay, thank you and welcome back to today's zoning board of 221 00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:43,600 adjustments meeting the date is 222 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,399 Monday October 30th time is 416 223 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:50,659 We had a little shuffling around but we're back in business 224 00:12:50,659 --> 00:12:53,759 and the next item for consideration is 225 00:12:54,919 --> 00:13:00,629 ZBA 17 - oh nine and consider approval for the ZBA calendar 226 00:13:00,629 --> 00:13:01,480 . Was there any 227 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,139 Discussion about this. Do we is this a thing that we vote 228 00:13:05,139 --> 00:13:07,879 on just to approve the calendar? Yes, ma'am 229 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:11,620 I'm sure we have put together a calendar and it's just 230 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:15,559 really the first. I'm sorry the last Monday of each month 231 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,960 Given maybe some exceptions to a holiday 232 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:23,590 We try to plan it out so that we can publish these dates to 233 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:27,960 the to to the public and therefore we do need it to be 234 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:30,399 recognized and approved by the board 235 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,240 I move approval got a 236 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:40,830 First from mr. Sacco any second and the second from mr. 237 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:41,399 Baker 238 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:45,470 Hey, mr. Baker and is there any discussion on this at all? 239 00:13:45,470 --> 00:13:48,159 I just let the public know that you know, they 240 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,570 Only thing looks like they skirt around was Christmas. Yeah 241 00:13:51,570 --> 00:13:54,559 break next time which is good to know anyway 242 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:59,519 Any other discussion on this item 243 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,440 Let's take about all in favor 244 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,200 Any opposed 245 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,480 motion passes 246 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,879 And the next item is a public hearing 247 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:15,309 At this point, I'm going to open the public hearing for ZBA 248 00:14:15,309 --> 00:14:16,580 17 - 0 to a 249 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,919 The time is 417 and this item is to hold a public hearing 250 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:23,200 and consider approval of a variance 251 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:27,289 From the Denton Development Code section 35 dot 5 dot 2 dot 252 00:14:27,289 --> 00:14:28,919 3 general regulations 253 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:32,639 relating to the minimum front and side yard setbacks on a 254 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,360 proper on approximately 255 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,000 0.18 acre the variance requested is for the construction of 256 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,519 a solar panel support structure 257 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:44,149 which would encroach into the minimum 20 foot sorry 20 foot 258 00:14:44,149 --> 00:14:45,840 front yard setback and 259 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:49,320 minimum six foot side yard setback 260 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,330 The subject property is generally located on the north side 261 00:14:52,330 --> 00:14:56,399 of hummingbird lane near Cardinal Drive. So and with that 262 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:00,639 We have Julie go ahead Julie Europe 263 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,309 I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of Denton and 264 00:15:04,309 --> 00:15:07,399 I'm presenting ZBA 17 - to you this evening 265 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,659 The request before you is to hold a public hearing and 266 00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:14,940 consider approval of a variance from DDC section 35 dot 5 267 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:16,120 dot 2 dot 3 268 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,919 For the construction of a solar panel support structure 269 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:23,570 Which would encroach into the minimum 20 foot front yard 270 00:15:23,570 --> 00:15:26,460 setback and minimum six foot side yard setback 271 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,620 The subject property is located on the north side of 272 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:30,399 hummingbird 273 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,919 Between mockingbird and Cardinal just to orient you here's 274 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:38,240 McKinney right here and then the loop is off to the off to 275 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,799 the side 276 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,320 The subject property is 277 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,269 Governed by an nr4 zoning district the development on the 278 00:15:46,269 --> 00:15:47,720 site conforms to nr4 279 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,120 Zoning district both in use and in building envelope 280 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:55,169 It requires a minimum 20 foot front yard setback and a 281 00:15:55,169 --> 00:15:57,720 minimum six foot side yard setback 282 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:03,889 The applicant provided a copy of their survey just to allow 283 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:07,039 it to for us to see what's on the side and the dimensions 284 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:07,480 for 285 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:09,519 the development 286 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:12,960 So this is an existing single-family home. It does have a 287 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,799 front entry garage and an associated driveway 288 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:18,960 the 289 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,960 House is set back 290 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,529 26.2 feet from the front property line, which is here the 291 00:16:24,529 --> 00:16:25,600 curb and gutter here 292 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,470 So the front property line is here and seven point three 293 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:31,159 feet from the side property line in this location 294 00:16:32,919 --> 00:16:36,389 The applicant is proposing to construct a solar panel 295 00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:39,879 support structure over the existing driveway 296 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:43,289 it would be attached to the house and extend forward 25 297 00:16:43,289 --> 00:16:45,120 feet from the existing structure and 298 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:49,289 Approximately seven feet to the side. So as you can see 299 00:16:49,289 --> 00:16:52,279 these are the limits of that proposed structure 300 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,860 It would it would essentially go over the the existing 301 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:56,159 driveway 302 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:58,799 As proposed it would encroach 303 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,500 18.8 feet into the front yard and approximately six feet 304 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:03,559 into the side yard 305 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:06,839 The applicant stated in their narrative that that the 306 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:10,079 reason for putting this structure in this location 307 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:14,539 Is that this this property has an extensive tree canopy and 308 00:17:14,539 --> 00:17:15,960 this location is 309 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,660 Is the only place that they could maximize the 310 00:17:18,660 --> 00:17:20,559 effectiveness of those solar panels 311 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,720 Section 35.5.6.2.2.B of the Denton Development Code 312 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,200 outlines the 313 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,339 the requirements for a variance to be granted from the 314 00:17:33,339 --> 00:17:36,079 Board of Adjustment from the minimum setbacks 315 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:39,160 This is where a literal enforcement of the regulations 316 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,240 would result in an unnecessary 317 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:44,019 hardship and where the variance is necessary to develop a 318 00:17:44,019 --> 00:17:45,920 specific parcel of land because of 319 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,049 Something unique to this size whether the shape the size of 320 00:17:49,049 --> 00:17:51,809 the topography that would make it different from other parc 321 00:17:51,809 --> 00:17:52,000 els 322 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,279 So there's also the code also outlines the criteria for 323 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:57,119 approval 324 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,529 So first well a variance shall be granted only upon finding 325 00:18:00,529 --> 00:18:03,549 that first and I've paraphrased their requirements here. 326 00:18:03,549 --> 00:18:04,440 They're fully 327 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,859 Outlined in your backup, but the special circumstances or 328 00:18:07,859 --> 00:18:10,670 conditions apply to the parcel for which the variance is 329 00:18:10,670 --> 00:18:11,160 sought 330 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,980 They have to be peculiar to that parcel and they don't 331 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:16,789 generally apply to other parcels in the same district or 332 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:17,680 neighborhood 333 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,660 So when staff looked at this criteria for approval in 334 00:18:20,660 --> 00:18:22,759 relationship to the request first 335 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,180 We looked at the zoning and the adjacent character and 336 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:27,000 development 337 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,140 And this is an established neighborhood with a with a 338 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:31,920 traditional suburban character 339 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:35,910 The lot as well as the surrounding lots conform to that in 340 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:37,799 our four zoning district 341 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,960 The lots size and shape are similar to surrounding lots 342 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,609 Yes, there is a lot of tree canopy on the site, but that's 343 00:18:46,609 --> 00:18:48,480 not unique to this to this property 344 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:52,059 residential properties often have have tree canopy of 345 00:18:52,059 --> 00:18:53,960 shading their yards and 346 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,289 That while solar panels can be a valuable improvement of 347 00:18:58,289 --> 00:19:01,920 the inability to install them in an in an optimal location 348 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,200 to maximize their usefulness 349 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,779 Doesn't deprive the homeowner of using their home 350 00:19:07,779 --> 00:19:11,190 They can still live in it it still is is in a single-family 351 00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:13,519 home that can that can be used as their dwelling 352 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,880 Second that the variance would not be detrimental to the 353 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,980 public welfare or injurious to other properties or 354 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:21,640 improvements in the area 355 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:25,930 The intent of minimum yard setbacks both front and side are 356 00:19:25,930 --> 00:19:28,160 to create a visually uniform 357 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,960 neighborhood with clearly defined yard areas 358 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,259 The approval of the variance would does that would disrupt 359 00:19:35,259 --> 00:19:38,549 the uniformity the visual uniformity of the neighborhood 360 00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:40,880 and create potentially create impacts 361 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,440 Not only on the street, but for adjacent properties 362 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,890 Third the variance would be necessary for the reasonable 363 00:19:49,890 --> 00:19:53,480 use of the parcel and that it would be the minimum variance 364 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,200 that would accomplish this purpose 365 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,480 This variance isn't necessary in order for them to to 366 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,839 occupy their home as a single-family dwelling and so 367 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,589 it's not necessary for the reasonable use of their property 368 00:20:07,589 --> 00:20:09,799 as a single-family residence and 369 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,200 Then finally the literal enforcement and strict application 370 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,039 of the provisions would result in an unnecessary hardship 371 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,109 the proposing correct encroachment is not required in order 372 00:20:21,109 --> 00:20:22,920 to occupy the property and 373 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,420 Therefore the enforcement of the setbacks does not pose an 374 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:28,240 unnecessary hardship 375 00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:32,119 And we'll take a look at some pictures 376 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:36,599 Google has has a wider view and takes better pictures than 377 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:39,339 I do so I've cribbed these pictures from Google 378 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:43,160 But this is this is hummingbird. It's looking toward 379 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:48,599 Cardinal so toward the loop and as you can see the the the 380 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:51,839 Setbacks create that sort of visual corridor where you've 381 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:54,829 got the street then you have the yard area and then you 382 00:20:54,829 --> 00:20:55,440 have the homes 383 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,720 This is the subject property and 384 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,019 Then here is the street near the subject property 385 00:21:04,019 --> 00:21:07,700 so as you can see across from the subject property there is 386 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,720 in fact a shade structure a a 387 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,819 Carport that does extend from their home and extends almost 388 00:21:12,819 --> 00:21:13,559 to the street 389 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,359 We've done some research on this and and at this time 390 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,759 I can't find a permit that was that was issued for this but 391 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:23,140 there is there is a 392 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,220 Carport similar to what they're proposing in their 393 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:26,839 neighborhood 394 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:30,299 However, then when we zoom out we look back at the aerial 395 00:21:30,299 --> 00:21:32,640 that we looked at at the beginning of the presentation 396 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,920 If you look you can see a long hummingbird 397 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:38,759 You can see all the driveways 398 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,670 Along the adjacent properties. So this isn't a consistent 399 00:21:42,670 --> 00:21:45,599 development pattern within that within the area 400 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,579 It's not something that all residents have in this area 401 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:53,799 public notification was sent out 402 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,420 There's some variation in in the colors of reds. I don't 403 00:21:59,420 --> 00:22:00,839 know if you can see that on the screen 404 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:04,279 There was one in favor and then several in opposition 405 00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:08,849 The darker red were there was a notification error on the 406 00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:11,240 first so this on this 407 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,140 Project so there was a notification sent out for the 408 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:17,140 September meeting. Those were notices that I received for 409 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:18,279 that meeting 410 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:19,460 I went ahead and included them 411 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:22,359 But I wanted to let you know that those were not for this 412 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,319 request 413 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,960 the ones in the lighter the lighter red were sent when the 414 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,700 Prop the the request was renoticed for this meeting 415 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,930 If I may and I seem to remember in the packet there were 416 00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:40,839 two note two letters from neighbors in 417 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,440 support of this request 418 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,099 Is is that why is that other neighbor not in? I obviously 419 00:22:47,099 --> 00:22:49,880 missed that on my map. Yeah, there were 420 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:54,190 There were two if you can tell me what that address was and 421 00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:55,359 I can see if I can yes 422 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,559 And in fact, I actually drove out to the applicant's 423 00:22:57,559 --> 00:22:59,930 property today because I really want to get a better look 424 00:22:59,930 --> 00:23:00,240 at this 425 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,160 And she had informed me and she can speak to this too 426 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,390 And she has her opportunity to speak that it was her 427 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:09,480 neighbor on the side yard. So that property there, okay 428 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,269 You can correct me if I'm wrong. Miss Barnhill when you get 429 00:23:13,269 --> 00:23:13,759 up here, but 430 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,180 That one should also be marked as green and that is I think 431 00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:18,240 also the side yard 432 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,819 Yes, that would be approaching on so I think that's 433 00:23:20,819 --> 00:23:23,140 important to note that that green should be indicated on. 434 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:23,519 Thank you 435 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:25,640 I I missed that I apologize. Thank you 436 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,079 Sorry, you'll get an opportunity to speak. Don't worry hold 437 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:30,559 that thought 438 00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:37,839 This 439 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,039 According to her letter she has but I may have I have may 440 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:45,799 have messed up this slide 441 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:55,519 Number 442 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:04,500 Okay, that is that is yes, so I okay I've missed you I 443 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:06,799 apologize I can so 444 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,599 Keep that in mind that that those are included in your 445 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:12,720 backup. However, I didn't reflect them on on this map 446 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,609 So are you saying that two folks approved and then let's 447 00:24:17,609 --> 00:24:20,890 just make sure we got this right the opposition how many 448 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:21,880 folks opposed it? 449 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,779 Within the 200 foot buffer. Yes, a portion of this lot a 450 00:24:26,779 --> 00:24:29,839 portion of this lot this lot and then this lot so 451 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:32,759 for okay 452 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,640 In is it open up for discuss chair recognizes mr. Sacco 453 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,970 I forgot my question. I'm kidding. It's not time for 454 00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:46,480 discussion yet 455 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,400 But if you have questions for staff, this would be the time 456 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,480 Well, my my question is the general character of the 457 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,359 neighborhood 458 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,440 if 459 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,799 that 460 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:57,039 particular 461 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,039 person across the street 462 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,000 Didn't get theirs permitted, which is what it sounds like 463 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,079 would the city have allowed 464 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:11,910 A carport in that particular not without a variance. Okay 465 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:12,599 in in 466 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,480 You just I believe I read in the packet that you did 467 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,400 research that and that particular person across the street 468 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,240 didn't have a variance 469 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,400 Not one that I can find. Okay 470 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:29,799 Thank you 471 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:33,039 So based upon the criteria for approval 472 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:36,299 Outlined in the didn't development code staff recommends 473 00:25:36,299 --> 00:25:38,359 denial of the variance to request into 474 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,849 The variance to encroach into the front and side yard set 475 00:25:41,849 --> 00:25:44,319 backs and I'll stand for any questions 476 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,279 Any questions for staff 477 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,799 Mr. House. I have a question. What is 478 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,400 There's the current city ordinance regarding 479 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:56,819 Structures in the front set back of the property our car 480 00:25:56,819 --> 00:25:57,700 ports allowed 481 00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:01,099 I'm not certain or is it just the fact that it's going to 482 00:26:01,099 --> 00:26:01,480 encroach 483 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,420 The setbacks at all a carport would be allowed sub chapter 484 00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:08,089 12 if the didn't development code outlines the requirements 485 00:26:08,089 --> 00:26:10,039 for accessory structures 486 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,859 If the carport is proposed to be attached to the property, 487 00:26:14,859 --> 00:26:17,380 so it actually become a part of the primary structure 488 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,880 if it were not 489 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,569 Attached to the subject property. It would not be permitted 490 00:26:22,569 --> 00:26:24,650 in the front yard. It would have to be either and it would 491 00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:25,079 have to be in 492 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:26,000 the rear 493 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,450 But because it is proposed to be attached it could it could 494 00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:32,319 go in the front yard provided it did not 495 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,039 Encroach into that front yard setback 496 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,900 Due to the size and shape of the structure that they would 497 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:42,279 like to construct 498 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,400 That's why they're here today in order to in order to seek 499 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,000 a variance for those setbacks 500 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,440 To construct the the structure. I would also like to point 501 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:52,720 out 502 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,880 that 503 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,619 In in reviewing this we also talked with building 504 00:26:57,619 --> 00:26:59,799 inspections because they'll be the ones 505 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,039 If approved they would be the ones 506 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:05,319 processing and 507 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,940 And reviewing the permit and the International Residential 508 00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:09,279 Code 509 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,079 would prohibit the construction of the 510 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,839 the structure within two feet of the property line, so 511 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:20,359 so 512 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,089 Regardless of what's approved today the the building permit 513 00:27:24,089 --> 00:27:25,319 could only be for 514 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,900 For a structure that was a minimum of two feet away from 515 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,240 either the front or side property lines 516 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,519 Mr. Sarrat, I have two questions one 517 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,859 The is car this simple question. I probably know the answer 518 00:27:44,859 --> 00:27:45,759 is a carport 519 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,039 Allowed on if there's working garage already 520 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:54,220 Yes, a carport would be allowed provided that it met the 521 00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:56,910 requirements in subchapter 12 of the Denton development 522 00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:57,680 code that it would be 523 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,680 In the rear of the property that it would not 524 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,450 Cause the property to exceed lot coverage that it would not 525 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:06,160 be in any setbacks or in any easements 526 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,480 It would also need to be architecturally compatible with 527 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,599 the primary structure or screen from view 528 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,420 Of adjacent property owners and the public right-of-way the 529 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:17,039 other question is I? 530 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,490 Think I know the answer this too. Do we have any site 531 00:28:21,490 --> 00:28:23,920 design criteria for? 532 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,039 There's a fancy term for it, but for solar collectors. I 533 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,039 know that you can have some that actually look like 534 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,599 Shakes I mean that look like you know 535 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,880 What's the word for it shingles shingles? Thank you? 536 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,279 shingles is for composition 537 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,920 And I know they're more expensive 538 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,490 So do we have any site design for like in this case where 539 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:54,799 you want to make it architecturally compatible at this time 540 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:55,400 we don't 541 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,359 if they were proposing a 542 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,640 solar panel structure that 543 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,960 That was visible from the public right-of-way and that 544 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,059 Was in the rear yard not attached to the property, but in 545 00:29:10,059 --> 00:29:11,319 the back or on their roof 546 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,230 They could they could install those solar panels those 547 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:17,440 wouldn't necessarily have to be architecturally compatible 548 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,279 But the structure on which they sit would have to be 549 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,890 Did that did that answer your question it did it might be 550 00:29:24,890 --> 00:29:26,160 something for 551 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,279 great idea to 552 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,700 Take up to have site design standards because as we were 553 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:35,039 talking as the prices go down more and more people want to 554 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:35,240 do this 555 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,799 including me 556 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,200 So so I want to know what would look good 557 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,440 Mr.. Socko I have a question, so how many feet? 558 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,299 In the right-of-way on the front and on the side are they 559 00:29:48,299 --> 00:29:49,720 actually encroaching 560 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,319 They wouldn't be 561 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,099 Per their proposal they would not be encroaching in the 562 00:29:57,099 --> 00:29:59,279 right-of-way you can see right here 563 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,880 This is their property line and their house is set back 564 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,039 twenty six point. I'm sorry 565 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,750 I've let me apologize. I meant the setbacks not the right- 566 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:10,079 of-way um if my math is correct 567 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,619 Approximately eighteen point eight feet because they are 568 00:30:14,619 --> 00:30:16,039 they their house is set back 569 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:20,220 More than the minimum so it's actually set back twenty six 570 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:21,440 over twenty six feet 571 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,599 Whereas the minimum the minimum is is twenty feet 572 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,440 So so the actual encroachments eighteen point eight 573 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,359 Okay 574 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:33,880 So that leads me to my follow-up 575 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,740 I'm gonna follow up with because I've got one specific 576 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:39,319 question and one general question my specific question is I 577 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:40,920 guess how far away from the 578 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,329 Curb with this structure be and how far away from the curb 579 00:30:44,329 --> 00:30:46,400 is the structure across the street I? 580 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:50,109 Don't know the one across the street. I'm not I'm not aware 581 00:30:50,109 --> 00:30:50,480 of that 582 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,480 For this one 583 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:59,720 I don't have a dimension in looking at 584 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,079 Let's see if I can 585 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,440 Doesn't get closed in looking at what they're proposing and 586 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,920 then and then 587 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 overlaying that with their survey 588 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:20,799 The the proposed structure would extend forward 25 feet 589 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,279 from their prop from their home 590 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,400 It does look like they're per their survey 591 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,680 Their house is set back 592 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,470 26.5 feet from their property line. This is probably the 593 00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:36,099 right-of-way 594 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,750 Parkway sidewalk which is typically it part of the public 595 00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,180 right-of-way so 596 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,700 By this it looks like this is the curb. I just don't know 597 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,140 how far away that okay, so it would take up it will go 598 00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:48,400 almost 599 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,200 I'm sorry, so it's 600 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,740 26.5 feet is their house set back this would be a 25 foot 601 00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:55,740 structure so this would go 602 00:31:55,740 --> 00:32:00,119 But I'll probably be a foot and a half from okay from there 603 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:01,839 from their end of their property line 604 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,230 But then there's but then there's some right-of-way several 605 00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:07,160 feet of curb and utilities underneath okay 606 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:11,180 And my more general question is how does this help us 607 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:12,240 further our goal? 608 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:13,839 towards 609 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,250 Being a greener city as we you know I've always talked 610 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:18,359 about the dent in 2030 plan 611 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,579 We worked really hard on that you guys so 612 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,029 How how would a request for this a citizen who wants to put 613 00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:27,240 solar panels on their home? 614 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:29,839 improve their the 615 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:31,539 value of their home 616 00:32:31,539 --> 00:32:35,109 They're hoping to improve the the value of their 617 00:32:35,109 --> 00:32:38,220 neighborhood and the value of our community and of the 618 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:39,680 world like how? 619 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,670 Can can you talk to me about kind of green energy and solar 620 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:47,440 panels and how the 2030 plan could fit into this? 621 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:51,720 so I'll take I'll take a stab at that of course the 622 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,359 Creating a sustainable you know community sustainable house 623 00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:00,480 is something that didn't plan 2030 is for and certainly 624 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,740 this would help in that cause 625 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,599 of our see solar panels wind devices any other 626 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,440 sustainability type 627 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,589 Functions that would you know help in that effort the city 628 00:33:12,589 --> 00:33:15,480 would welcome you know and actually D 629 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,480 Meade and municipal electric has some programs in which the 630 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,369 If there were introductions of such devices they would be 631 00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:26,640 entered into some programs, so 632 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200 That's something that we want to incentivize certainly 633 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,019 having solar panel is something that we would like to see 634 00:33:33,019 --> 00:33:34,079 more and more as well 635 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,839 However, just this particular case alone 636 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,059 The location that solar panel is what we're looking at not 637 00:33:41,059 --> 00:33:44,480 necessarily the introduction of solar panel is really what 638 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,200 's what structure is being constructed 639 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,480 right 640 00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,130 I've got some counterpoints to that, but I know we're not 641 00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:54,329 that the discussion yet, so I'm gonna hold that thought 642 00:33:54,329 --> 00:33:55,359 sorry mr. 643 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,359 Strath I have one last question 644 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,099 Not considering the tree canopy if they were put solar 645 00:34:01,099 --> 00:34:05,599 collectors on the existing roof of the house what are the 646 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,359 current 647 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,360 standards rules for that 648 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,960 Even if it's three feet away from the neighbors 649 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,599 They would just have to acquire just a permit 650 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,159 So setback doesn't count for that 651 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,079 No said that when that's what I was wondering about 652 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,539 And I understand the conditions for this house. I was just 653 00:34:24,539 --> 00:34:24,880 wondering 654 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,380 Mr.. House, I'm sorry just one more quick question. We keep 655 00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:30,599 referring to the carport across the street 656 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,559 I'm just wondering if that's an unpermitted structure is 657 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:36,639 that being looked into by the code enforcement department 658 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,099 Or is that I did a little research on that there was a case 659 00:34:41,099 --> 00:34:42,440 open several years ago 660 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,760 The person who reviewed that is no longer with the city and 661 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,719 the records are somewhat 662 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,360 Thin so I'm not quite sure what? 663 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,880 What happened other than in his research? 664 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,519 He determined that the that the 665 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:03,119 Carport was built between 2005 and 2007 666 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,260 He did not give any indication that he found a permit. I 667 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:09,119 didn't find one so I'm not sure if what one may have been 668 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,159 Acquired and I just didn't I wasn't able to find it 669 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,119 Thank you 670 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:17,639 Any other questions for staff 671 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,119 Julia question just to make sure that I understand this 672 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,119 correctly the 673 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,510 Variance is being requested for the for the setbacks raise. 674 00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:28,159 It's not a variance to 675 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,869 Construct a certain structure. No sir. It's just for the 676 00:35:31,869 --> 00:35:32,360 setbacks 677 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,010 Mr. Saka and on that same token, and this is kind of where 678 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:38,599 my line of thought is 679 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,179 It it speak really because they want to build a carport 680 00:35:42,179 --> 00:35:42,599 there 681 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,010 Correct and the carport will have there's two issues one is 682 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:49,039 putting a solar structure 683 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:50,880 which 684 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,159 no problem, but the bigger issue is a non-con a a 685 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,690 Variance for putting the actual structure itself the car 686 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:02,159 port. Yes, sir 687 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,800 So if we granted the variance for the carport and they 688 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,159 decided or elected not to put the solar structure 689 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,960 Could that occur? Yes, okay 690 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,530 Just to follow up on that granting this variance to the set 691 00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:18,079 backs 692 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,210 Doesn't necessarily restrict what kind of structure could 693 00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:22,480 go on 694 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,659 Past this it's just saying that they can build into the 695 00:36:26,659 --> 00:36:28,440 side the front yard setback 696 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,360 And so after this variance is granted if it is granted 697 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,880 There's really no 698 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,139 Conditions that we can place after they build whatever they 699 00:36:38,139 --> 00:36:41,000 build could that be a condition we put in the motion though 700 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:44,800 But no because the variance is just to the encroachment 701 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,760 Sorry, let me I'm sorry let me understand so if if 702 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,769 If someone were to make a motion to approve could that 703 00:36:53,769 --> 00:36:56,840 person say you know we approve with the following 704 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,199 conditions that this only 705 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,760 be a solar panel support structure and not an 706 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,260 Additional bedroom that you're adding yeah the the variance 707 00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:08,159 pertains to the real estate 708 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,570 Rights that go with the property because again. This would 709 00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:13,239 be something that would go on 710 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,780 Well past this owner or future owners and go on for 711 00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:17,440 generations 712 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,079 and so the only 713 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,320 Condition that I would be comfortable recommending or 714 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,670 Supporting would be something that would be willing to like 715 00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:28,960 to the footprint of whatever that structure is 716 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,360 Because I think it's going to be separated from 717 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,559 the main 718 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,639 Residents it would be attached to the main residence 719 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,769 So a condition that could be placed is that it would be to 720 00:37:42,769 --> 00:37:45,199 the footprint of whatever it's proposed 721 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,360 So it wouldn't connect later 722 00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,380 Because what you're doing is you're just saying they can 723 00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:53,960 build so many feet in front of whatever the property line 724 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,159 is 725 00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:58,409 We'll cross that when we get there. Thank you any other 726 00:37:58,409 --> 00:37:59,739 questions for staff 727 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,360 Okay, thank you. Thank you 728 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,920 Okay, I have to do a thing here now we're talking to the 729 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,519 people now is that the next thing that we do 730 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,159 Yes, okay, does the applicant does? 731 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:15,380 How much time do I know we get we want to hear from the 732 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,300 applicant how much time does the applicant get? 733 00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:20,719 I think they get as much time as they want. Okay, so the 734 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,840 applicant here. All right, would you like to come forward, 735 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,199 please? 736 00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,860 So if you could step towards the microphone 737 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,019 Sure 738 00:38:45,019 --> 00:38:48,440 Okay, if you are appearing before this board as provided 739 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,900 under chapter 602 740 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,650 0025 of the Texas government code all testimony is sworn. 741 00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:56,190 So therefore could you please identify yourself for the 742 00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:57,239 record? Yes 743 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,239 Hi, I'm Sharon barnhill and 744 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,289 Your address, please 33 29 hummingbird lane here in Denton. 745 00:39:04,289 --> 00:39:05,639 Thank you. Can you raise your right hand? 746 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,159 Under penalty of perjury 747 00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,300 Do you swear or affirm that any testimony or information 748 00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,510 you provide or any statement you make before this board is 749 00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:15,159 complete? 750 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:18,579 True and correct to the best or best of your knowledge and 751 00:39:18,579 --> 00:39:20,920 ability. Yes, I do. Okay, go ahead 752 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,789 Okay. Well, I guess first of all, I wanted to make sure yes 753 00:39:25,789 --> 00:39:26,639 that you knew 754 00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:29,090 I do have letters from the neighbor right next to me and 755 00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:31,679 the neighbor across the street that has the carport 756 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,639 I will tell you that when we moved in in 2003 most of that 757 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,639 carport was already standing 758 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:39,639 I think that's why she can't find 759 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,199 Anything about it since we've lived there 760 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:46,119 He has traded a truck for a boat and had to rebuild one end 761 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:46,519 of it 762 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:48,369 And then he got rid of the boat and he had to read we've 763 00:39:48,369 --> 00:39:52,000 watched that happen several times knowing that we can't 764 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,039 have a carport 765 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,400 Anyway, so last October the some people at the end of the 766 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,800 street 767 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,539 I think this is in my packing material have a lovely new 768 00:40:00,539 --> 00:40:01,119 carport 769 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,619 So I called the city so excited to see if they had gotten a 770 00:40:04,619 --> 00:40:06,159 building permit and they had 771 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,079 So we contacted 772 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,289 Alternatex we started working towards trying to figure out 773 00:40:13,289 --> 00:40:16,139 how to put our solar panels in our yard that is covered 774 00:40:16,139 --> 00:40:16,619 with trees 775 00:40:16,619 --> 00:40:20,030 I can't grow anything as far as vegetables because I have 776 00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:21,320 so much shade in my yard 777 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:24,199 anyway, so then I 778 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,619 When we after we got that all going and I had a contractor 779 00:40:27,619 --> 00:40:29,079 that was going to do the structure for us 780 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,409 And he came down to get a building permit and found out 781 00:40:31,409 --> 00:40:32,960 that that was not going to happen 782 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,900 So we later found out I guess the one at the end of the 783 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,639 street was issued in error 784 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,639 And I don't know what that means 785 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:44,130 But we think it's a lovely cardboard. I have some pictures 786 00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:45,980 here of it if you'd like to see it 787 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,920 I 788 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,659 Mean, I don't know what protocol is can I hand the pictures 789 00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:52,460 around or what do I do? Sure? 790 00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:57,320 Your pictures are bigger than my pictures so 791 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,239 The first two pictures are 792 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,489 What I look out my kitchen window at is the carport across 793 00:41:05,489 --> 00:41:07,880 the street. They are lovely neighbors 794 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,070 I will say they have had a television a huge big television 795 00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:12,639 in their yard for two weeks 796 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:16,929 And I did call both code enforcement and solid waste and it 797 00:41:16,929 --> 00:41:18,039 's still there 798 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,170 Then there's some pictures. I think of our house. There are 799 00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:22,000 some pictures of 800 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,340 The carport down the street that is new that got the 801 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:27,670 building permit in error because I think you can see it's a 802 00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:28,079 lovely 803 00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,360 carport 804 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,780 I'm a little interested to hear to see that one of the 805 00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:34,940 objections to our 806 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,170 Structure was the house next door to us. There are some 807 00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:40,559 pictures of some of the homes on Hummingbird Lane 808 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,369 we have a lot of rental property the lady next door who 809 00:41:44,369 --> 00:41:47,480 owns a house who I've met once in 13 years and 810 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,639 objected 811 00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,389 The tenants that are in there right now don't mow their 812 00:41:52,389 --> 00:41:55,760 yard their trash bin sits on the curb all week long 813 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,760 You can see there are several properties on my street. We 814 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,960 are not going to do anything to Hummingbird Lane 815 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,559 That is going to diminish the beauty of Hummingbird Lane or 816 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,780 the Denton Development Code 817 00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:12,519 I think we are we want to be able to stay in our home 818 00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,880 through retirement. We will be on fixed income and 819 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,320 Having the solar panels will be a big 820 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,579 Benefit for us. I will also say the reason we cannot do the 821 00:42:23,579 --> 00:42:24,880 roof for one thing 822 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,969 The solar panels will withstand a bigger hail storm than 823 00:42:28,969 --> 00:42:31,840 our roof will so if we have roof damage 824 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:35,559 We pay someone to remove solar panels to fix our roof and 825 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,860 then put the solar panels back up 826 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,179 Plus we have a mother-in-law suite that was added before we 827 00:42:43,179 --> 00:42:45,260 lived there we have 828 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,719 Half of the two car garage is actually under air. It is a 829 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,559 dining room and a laundry room 830 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,849 So we have a larger under air square footage than most of 831 00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:57,960 the homes in our neighborhood 832 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,579 And so we just don't have enough roof in the Sun to put 833 00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:04,300 solar panels on our roof 834 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,039 I mean trust me we have looked at this my husband is an 835 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,960 engineer. We have looked at this trust me and 836 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,000 We have been advised by both the solar panel 837 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,739 Fellas and my contractor and we think this is going to be 838 00:43:18,739 --> 00:43:20,519 something that will look good on our house 839 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,639 We're not certainly not gonna put something up that we 840 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,110 would be embarrassed by or that our neighbors would be 841 00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:28,239 embarrassed by a little surprised about the 842 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,579 Objections on the street like I say I encourage you to 843 00:43:31,579 --> 00:43:34,679 drive down hummingbird lane. I bet you can pick my house 844 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:34,980 out 845 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,159 What else do I need to tell you all 846 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,420 Like I say mainly I wanted to share some pictures with you 847 00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:45,559 I do have the fellas from the solar panel company here 848 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,599 And I have also our contractor that could answer the 849 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,179 questions about the structure 850 00:43:50,179 --> 00:43:53,119 But it sounds like maybe we're just doing setbacks or maybe 851 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:54,760 the structure questions or not 852 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,179 For this panel, I don't know 853 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,920 So 854 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,820 Thank you, I mean is there yeah other questions for the 855 00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:07,780 applicants and I'd be happy to answer questions 856 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,760 Mr. Higgins, please 857 00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,159 To what extent is your 858 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,360 Objection to putting it on a roof 859 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,480 result from 860 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,559 cutting canopy 861 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,789 Just mainly I think the fact that we have more we're 862 00:44:26,789 --> 00:44:28,559 putting up too many panels 863 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:33,400 For the sun for the roof we have that's available. I think 864 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,239 is what you mean available on in the Sun 865 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,820 Yes, that's available cut canopy and have more roof 866 00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:41,400 available 867 00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,579 Well, I don't think so 868 00:44:44,579 --> 00:44:47,000 I think when we did the math on how many panels we needed 869 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,739 in the square footage in the size of them 870 00:44:48,739 --> 00:44:51,480 No, I don't think that was I mean really we've this is 871 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,320 something we've been working on 872 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,820 Really it is 873 00:44:58,820 --> 00:45:01,579 Because because we've had to have roofs replaced already in 874 00:45:01,579 --> 00:45:03,360 the 13 years. We've been there 875 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,920 we really do know that that's the thing that can happen and 876 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,519 The extra expense of having to have our solar panels 877 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,369 completely removed so we can have a new roof and then have 878 00:45:12,369 --> 00:45:13,119 them back on 879 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,039 Again we're looking at retirement 880 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,530 Fixed income and so so really you really do want solar 881 00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:24,519 panels and you really can use a carport both 882 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,760 Yes, exactly 883 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,760 Other questions other questions for the applicant I 884 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,239 Have a couple yes 885 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,340 So the so do you happen to know how far back that carport 886 00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:41,519 across the street? 887 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,719 I do happen to know those answers the carport 888 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,840 The front line of the carport is 12 feet from the curb and 889 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,739 the first pole is 15 feet from the curb 890 00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,840 the new carport down the street is 891 00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,550 The pole in the front of it is are all in the same line and 892 00:45:59,550 --> 00:46:01,760 it is 16 feet from the curb 893 00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:07,800 Do you know how far this proposed structure of yours would 894 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,480 be from the curb? 895 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,320 Well, I could probably do the math let's see it's 25 feet 896 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,780 from the front and you have the engineers here, too 897 00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:18,780 They may be able to answer that 898 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,170 Sir do you want to could you come to this is mr. Carrying 899 00:46:26,170 --> 00:46:28,280 up and he is my contractor on the 900 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,039 Structure, I believe I have to swear you in too. So 901 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,050 I want to hear what you have to say, but we got a story 902 00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:40,940 when I got a family notes. Okay. Thank you 903 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,519 Could you please identify yourself with a record name and 904 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:44,239 address, please? 905 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,900 4232 Wells Drive Lake Worth, Texas 906 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:49,480 Okay 907 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,440 And under penalty of perjury do you swear or affirm that 908 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,239 any testimony or information you provide? 909 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,449 Or any statement you make before this board is complete 910 00:46:56,449 --> 00:46:58,920 true and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability 911 00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,159 Yes, ma'am. I do go ahead please 912 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:06,809 The upper edge of the carport approximated to be between 9 913 00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:09,519 and 10 feet from the edge of the street 914 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,420 The lower columns will be set back 915 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,780 slightly from that it will can leave the support 916 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,150 Beams will cantilever pass that a little bit to carry the 917 00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:26,239 top of the carport but the columns will be 918 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,659 At least 10 feet back from the curb. So I'm sorry. So that 919 00:47:29,659 --> 00:47:30,860 's the edge of the carport would be 920 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,929 About 10 feet from the curb the top edge of the cart the 921 00:47:34,929 --> 00:47:37,440 top edge where the overhang because it's gonna over 922 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,480 We'll be between 9 and 10 feet, but the pole itself would 923 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,920 be back a little way. It will be back another 924 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,789 Foot to 2 feet from that. Okay, and if a smaller structure 925 00:47:49,789 --> 00:47:51,239 were to be proposed 926 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,099 with that significantly change the 927 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,099 Structural integrity of this or would it significantly 928 00:47:59,099 --> 00:48:00,340 change the project? 929 00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:05,440 No, I've actually designed it to be overbuilt and 930 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,519 to support the extra weight of the solar panels that 931 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,059 Alternatex plans on putting on the top the the size of it. 932 00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:16,860 They've designed they've 933 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,860 calculated their solar panel space to 934 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,820 Basically use the entire top of it and cover with solar 935 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:26,820 panels. Okay, so so a smaller carport 936 00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,789 I don't want to call it carport. That's not I mean that's a 937 00:48:29,789 --> 00:48:30,000 sec 938 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,599 It seems like that's a secondary nature the the the smaller 939 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,260 Diminish this smaller the size of this solar panel 940 00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:37,380 structure would then 941 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,880 Diminish the amount of solar panels that they could have on 942 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,639 on the top is that I'm seeing a nod from the corner 943 00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,059 So that's just fewer solar panels. So 944 00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:48,679 Okay, that's helpful for me. Thank you 945 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,159 The design dimensions doesn't didn't come from me 946 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:56,119 It was they told me how much space they needed and so I 947 00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:57,679 worked it from there, right? 948 00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:59,719 So that they would have room to get their panels on there. 949 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,619 Okay, that's helpful. Thank you 950 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,280 Any other questions? 951 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:05,960 Mr. Sarrat 952 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,699 And I don't even know that this is something that we are 953 00:49:08,699 --> 00:49:09,880 supposed to entertain 954 00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:13,119 but when you say they the space they needed are you talking 955 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:13,760 about the 956 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,929 The space they needed for their cars or the space they 957 00:49:17,929 --> 00:49:20,309 needed for the solar collectors in order to support the 958 00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:21,480 energy needs their house 959 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,670 Well for my design it's a little bit of a combination of 960 00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:29,519 both so that we don't have to design it 961 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,349 So that sir, can you move to Mike? So we want to begin. I'm 962 00:49:32,349 --> 00:49:32,719 sorry 963 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,119 Usually people tell me I'm loud 964 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,579 But they need a certain number of square footage to put 965 00:49:41,579 --> 00:49:45,719 their panels in but at the same time so that 966 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,639 the 967 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:50,420 Carport doesn't look incommensurate with the structure the 968 00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:54,400 columns and the way that it's designed needs to fit with 969 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,119 the property 970 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,030 So I had to take all that into consideration when I design 971 00:49:59,030 --> 00:50:01,639 the size and new way of shape 972 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,599 Do you happen to have a 973 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,719 mock-up to show us or 974 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,949 Examples of other things that you've designed or maybe I do 975 00:50:10,949 --> 00:50:14,000 not have that with me at the moment 976 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,519 I might have some pictures on my phone that I can fan 977 00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:20,679 through but I'm not sure those would help you a lot at this 978 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,469 Okay, I'm just I guess I'm just getting trying to get a 979 00:50:23,469 --> 00:50:26,559 picture of this what it would the kind of the final product 980 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,239 What that would look like? 981 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,239 tube steel columns 982 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:33,639 Channel stringers for the 983 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,400 parlance to attach to with the metal roof and 984 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,130 that gives them an at the alternate X and ample structure 985 00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:42,280 to 986 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,219 Attach their solar panels to I believe they're going to be 987 00:50:46,219 --> 00:50:48,840 somewhere around 750 pounds 988 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,280 neighborhood, but 989 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,739 Spread out over a sure the large area. Okay 990 00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:58,039 Three pounds of square foot, okay 991 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,400 Any other questions 992 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,480 Okay 993 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,840 Thank you. Thank you both. Thank you. Yeah 994 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,280 And this is a public hearing 995 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,909 So if anyone would like to speak for or against this issue, 996 00:51:16,909 --> 00:51:18,679 you're certainly welcome to take the microphone now 997 00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:21,989 You'll have three minutes. I don't have any cards in front 998 00:51:21,989 --> 00:51:22,980 of me. Yes, sir 999 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,400 That'd be great if you could approach the microphone and 1000 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,380 then state your name and address for the record and before 1001 00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:29,920 you leave if you 1002 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,659 Wouldn't mind filling out a card to that would be very 1003 00:51:32,659 --> 00:51:34,360 helpful. So name and address, please 1004 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,619 Okay, I need to raise my hand your name and address please 1005 00:51:38,619 --> 00:51:39,400 for the record. Yes 1006 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,880 My name is Leon Tribble and I live just down the street. I 1007 00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:49,639 Live at 3411 Hummingbird. Thank you, sir. Let's get you 1008 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:50,579 sworn in. All right 1009 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,800 Under penalty of perjury 1010 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,829 Do you swear or affirm that any testimony or information 1011 00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:58,849 you provide or any statement you make before this board is 1012 00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:59,400 complete? 1013 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,210 True and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability. 1014 00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:04,119 Yes, I do. Thank you. You may proceed. I 1015 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,239 Have I have lived at 3411 Hummingbird for almost 48 years 1016 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,039 We moved to Denton in 1017 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:14,920 1969 1018 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,480 November of 69. So we're coming up on almost 48 years and 1019 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,159 Over that last 48 years the neighborhood has changed 1020 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,539 somewhat and we've got a lot of good people a lot of good 1021 00:52:29,539 --> 00:52:32,239 neighbors there and and I enjoy 1022 00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:34,679 your 1023 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:38,510 Friendship and companionship close by I have nothing 1024 00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:40,360 against you at all. I 1025 00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,579 Don't have anything against carports either 1026 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,389 When I first got the the notice that there was going to be 1027 00:52:48,389 --> 00:52:50,079 a hearing about the variance 1028 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:54,619 I did not know what a solar panel support was 1029 00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,639 solar panel support structure 1030 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,440 I'm not too 1031 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,440 too keen on on 1032 00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,400 Modern computers and stuff 1033 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,400 But I was able to look up on the computer to see what a 1034 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,039 support structure was and I found several 1035 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,380 And I had no idea of what was going up. I found some that 1036 00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:19,000 were about three feet high 1037 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,730 off the ground and I have seen some of those that are grown 1038 00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:27,360 and my main concern was is this going to be an 1039 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,440 attractive nuisance 1040 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,389 Something that the kids in the neighborhood are going to 1041 00:53:32,389 --> 00:53:35,920 climb on and something that they could get hurt on 1042 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,900 also those support structures that I have seen that are 1043 00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:45,079 Two or three feet off the ground. They all seem to be 1044 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440 Situated above a rock 1045 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,269 Surface they have rocks underneath them and so the grass 1046 00:53:52,269 --> 00:53:54,679 won't grow and that sort of thing 1047 00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,699 And I was concerned about that because I did not want 1048 00:53:58,699 --> 00:54:00,840 anything in our neighborhood 1049 00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,519 That would make our property values go down 1050 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,309 Over the years I have seen our property values and our 1051 00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:13,119 taxes go up and every time our 1052 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,079 Property values go up taxes go up 1053 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,380 Every time property values go down taxes go up. So whatever 1054 00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:24,440 it is, that's not going to make too much but 1055 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,730 That that was my main opposition is I was concerned that 1056 00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:33,519 there was going to be something built in the front yard 1057 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,639 Or to the side of the driveway that was going to be about 1058 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:38,400 knee-high 1059 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,849 That would be hard to mow underneath or you're going to 1060 00:54:41,849 --> 00:54:43,840 have to spray it with insecticides 1061 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,840 Which we don't need in our system anymore 1062 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,199 But since I found out that you're looking at a carport I 1063 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,219 Would just hope that if this variance is approved that it's 1064 00:54:55,219 --> 00:54:59,150 a little bit upscale as to pose as what is across the 1065 00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:59,519 street 1066 00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,650 So I don't want I don't want the variance approved if you 1067 00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:07,159 're going to put up some junk. I 1068 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,920 Have enough junk at my own house 1069 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,710 I have a question for you then because and thank you very 1070 00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:16,280 much. This is very helpful and 1071 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,840 You filled out a response form and in it you wrote 1072 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,880 I'm not sure just what a solar panel support structure is 1073 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,170 you did your homework you came to the meeting your your you 1074 00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:24,679 learned 1075 00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,849 But you also clicked or checked that you were opposed to 1076 00:55:27,849 --> 00:55:28,400 the request 1077 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,539 Are you still opposed to the request are you have you 1078 00:55:30,539 --> 00:55:32,750 changed your mind on this? I just want to be clear for the 1079 00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:33,039 record 1080 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,719 I'm not sure okay 1081 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,119 Yeah, no my wife wants one 1082 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,110 I just want to be clear because what because I see this and 1083 00:55:47,110 --> 00:55:48,440 I hear your concerns 1084 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,260 Yeah, it sounds like those concerns have been addressed and 1085 00:55:51,260 --> 00:55:55,000 so are you still opposed or have you are you neutral to the 1086 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,599 request? 1087 00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:58,340 Are you because that's going to play out on how our overall 1088 00:55:58,340 --> 00:56:01,239 map looks we have right next door to me 1089 00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,489 we have a house that has just recently put solar panels on 1090 00:56:05,489 --> 00:56:06,480 the roof and 1091 00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,679 And that's fine if they want to do that 1092 00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:13,559 as far as a 1093 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,239 variance to the 1094 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,400 city code I 1095 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,280 Don't know about that because if you grant a variance 1096 00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:25,079 for this situation 1097 00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:28,570 Next month somebody's going to want to come up, and they're 1098 00:56:28,570 --> 00:56:31,480 going to want to put something else up and next time 1099 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,269 it'll be something else and if we the reason that we have 1100 00:56:35,269 --> 00:56:38,119 these codes now is because they work and 1101 00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:43,929 And they keep the neighborhood up as much as we can so I'm 1102 00:56:43,929 --> 00:56:45,079 kind of 1103 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,679 apprehensive about 1104 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,679 changing the code 1105 00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,159 For anything 1106 00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,199 and yet 1107 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,039 I'm not opposed to a carport 1108 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,440 So I guess I'm kind of neutral on the situation. I've 1109 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,079 changed my mind 1110 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,840 Okay, since I found out what it was okay, because I didn't 1111 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,480 know what we've talked about it first. That's very helpful 1112 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:12,039 Okay, so I'm neutral on the fact so so I hope Julie if you 1113 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:12,239 could 1114 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,420 Are you able to update that map at all before we kind of 1115 00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:17,000 open it up for discussion? 1116 00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:20,559 I 1117 00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,559 Can't update the map however 1118 00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:26,619 In order to approve a various a supermajority is required 1119 00:57:26,619 --> 00:57:27,000 anyway 1120 00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,760 So whether there's 20% opposition or not a supermajority 1121 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,719 would be required anyway. I'm just thinking visually 1122 00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:35,719 Some of us are visual 1123 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,139 That's fine, that's just fine. Thank you. Did you have 1124 00:57:40,139 --> 00:57:41,159 anything else you want to add? 1125 00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:44,579 It's going to be me high out in the front yard, and I'd be 1126 00:57:44,579 --> 00:57:45,239 opposed to it 1127 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,599 But since it's a carport, I'm going to be up 1128 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,039 I'm neutral on the situation. Thank you, sir. Yes 1129 00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:59,070 This is a public hearing so if anyone would like to there 1130 00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:00,599 you go approach the microphone 1131 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,250 And if you could state your name and address for the record 1132 00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:03,039 . I'll get you sworn in 1133 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,320 Alastin ruffin 1134 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,320 7566 FM 1758 Bowie, Texas 1135 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,320 Under penalty of perjury do you swear or affirm that any 1136 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,300 testimony or information you provide or any statement you 1137 00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:18,639 make before this board is complete 1138 00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,159 True and correct to the best of your knowledge and ability 1139 00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:22,320 I do okay go ahead 1140 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,480 Okay, so I mean it's it's simple the reason for the carport 1141 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,090 is there is not enough roof surface on south or east or 1142 00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:30,280 west 1143 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,280 Facing to make it work. It is a system designed to meet her 1144 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:34,840 base load 1145 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,820 There will be some buyback on DME side and all that does is 1146 00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:41,039 free up the grid for everybody else 1147 00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:43,679 so it's 1148 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,599 So yes, it is a carport there will be cars under it all you 1149 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,559 're going to see is a trailing edge of panels 1150 00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,139 That's all you'll see you'd need I mean it's going to be as 1151 00:58:55,139 --> 00:58:56,420 high as the roof, right? 1152 00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:01,480 So you'd need a drone with a camera to see the panels 1153 00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:04,519 So 1154 00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,440 We don't do ugly work 1155 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,579 We have a great relationship with Denton our company does 1156 00:59:09,579 --> 00:59:12,639 you can drive around you can see our work. We've done 1157 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,199 Six or seven systems in Denton right now one from giant 1158 00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,199 ground mounts to 1159 00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:23,719 Most of them are roof mounts 1160 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,190 We we don't we don't want to leave the customer unhappy. 1161 00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:29,840 They don't like it. We fix it 1162 00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:33,420 Never had any complaints from any of the neighbors. They've 1163 00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:35,800 actually wanted to sign up so I 1164 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:38,889 Understand variances. I understand code violations things 1165 00:59:38,889 --> 00:59:39,440 like that 1166 00:59:40,739 --> 00:59:44,849 This is going to help Denton. It's not just for them. They 1167 00:59:44,849 --> 00:59:47,420 're not doing it just for them doing it for everyone 1168 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,840 so I just 1169 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,869 When it comes vote time just just think about your kids, 1170 00:59:54,869 --> 00:59:55,440 you know 1171 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,900 Where's that grid going to be in the next 30 years if 1172 00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:00,639 people like the barn hills get denied? 1173 01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:05,559 Do you happen to have any 1174 01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,969 Images you could share with the group on the phone. Do you 1175 01:00:08,969 --> 01:00:10,880 want to bring up the house image? 1176 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,329 I can kind of give them an idea of where everything's gonna 1177 01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:14,480 go 1178 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,030 So I do have a question yes over here you said that the 1179 01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:27,079 full loan how many square feet would you with it required 1180 01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:27,199 to? 1181 01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,980 Cover the full load. I don't know what that means 1182 01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,940 There you go panels are 290 watt panels apiece 1183 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,280 They'll have inverters AC inverters which rapid shutdowns 1184 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,019 So if somebody happens to climb on and start messing with 1185 01:00:45,019 --> 01:00:46,519 something no one's gonna die 1186 01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,559 But the 1187 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:53,400 something like this 1188 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,239 The carport he designed we're going almost edge to edge 1189 01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,440 with it, but still staying within fire code 1190 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,590 So square footage square footage on this is a total square 1191 01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:05,280 footage 1192 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,179 Maybe a thousand square feet. I mean, it's just whatever 1193 01:01:11,179 --> 01:01:14,679 the size of the roof is on the carport 1194 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,639 Right, so a thousand square feet how much of the existing 1195 01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:21,960 roof would be 1196 01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:27,019 Sufficient for solar panels to obtain that solar okay 1197 01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:29,800 well 1198 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,739 You can't put anything facing north correct the back side 1199 01:01:32,739 --> 01:01:35,519 of the house where is the most roof roof surface, right? 1200 01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:38,920 That's all north that you can't do that one 1201 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,340 There's no credits DME says no and your system will never 1202 01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:44,360 work like it's supposed to but on the south side 1203 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,360 How much on the south side? 1204 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,300 There's there's enough room there to get 16 16 of the 35 1205 01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:58,360 proposed panels to go up there how many square footage is 1206 01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:58,400 that 1207 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,760 See quick math 1208 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,400 There's an app for that 1209 01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:11,440 I'm terrible with math. Where's my kit? There it is. Okay 1210 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,360 So 1211 01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:32,519 Roughly 640 square feet so not even that out of a thousand 1212 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,960 640 can be on that existing roof. Yeah, and that they think 1213 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,079 that that's too much. Let me see 1214 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:46,719 Yeah 1215 01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:49,840 Yeah, the pan the panels themselves are 1216 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,440 66 inches long by 40 inches wide 1217 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,360 So smaller than a sheet of plywood and there'll be eight 1218 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,719 across two high on 1219 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,500 The south facing roof and then everything else will be on 1220 01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,159 the carport if it's approved 1221 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:05,360 And if this if this structure is approved would that 1222 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:05,360 basically take them off the electrical grid they'd they'd 1223 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:13,280 have no no 1224 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,159 Everything that we do is grid tied unless they opt out. 1225 01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:16,440 Sorry 1226 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,380 I know you mean yeah, because you said the DME could buy 1227 01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:20,599 back 1228 01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:23,340 But I'm sorry, what would it meet there would it basically 1229 01:03:23,340 --> 01:03:25,690 meet their their needs for electricity on a day-to-day 1230 01:03:25,690 --> 01:03:26,039 basis? 1231 01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:29,480 Yes after the energy when we come in we do whole home 1232 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,460 energy audit 1233 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,360 Figure out what your annual consumption is and build a 1234 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,840 system to that size 1235 01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:38,599 Did they do this one at a hundred percent? 1236 01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:40,760 Do you know? 1237 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,519 Do they size it at a hundred percent or like? I? 1238 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,000 Mr.. Barnhill mr.. Barnhill can you come forward please and 1239 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,559 sorry that no this is this is helpful 1240 01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,300 So we're gonna speak into the microphone so we can get it 1241 01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:03,119 on record for everyone, and I got to swear you in - I know 1242 01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:06,960 Okay, so name and record please 29. I mean burden and then 1243 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,579 okay 1244 01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,579 Under penalty of perjury do you swear or affirm that any 1245 01:04:12,579 --> 01:04:15,260 testimony or information you provide or any statement you 1246 01:04:15,260 --> 01:04:16,139 make before this board is 1247 01:04:16,139 --> 01:04:18,880 Complete true and correct to the best of your knowledge and 1248 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,440 ability yes, thanks 1249 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,079 I'm gonna have this memorized so the time this meetings 1250 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:24,340 over it's okay. Go ahead so okay 1251 01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:27,309 What we say when we were negotiating this in the beginning 1252 01:04:27,309 --> 01:04:29,139 and they came in and did the survey 1253 01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:33,280 They said 1254 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,019 Theoretically you probably won't have an electric bill 1255 01:04:36,019 --> 01:04:36,360 anymore 1256 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,800 But in reality in the heat of the summer you know 1257 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,800 You may be spending 40 or 50 bucks as opposed to the 600. 1258 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,380 We're spending now and and I caught up you know 1259 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,610 To some folks that have gotten solar panels and and you 1260 01:04:54,610 --> 01:04:57,449 know we just kind of discuss it and they're saying that's 1261 01:04:57,449 --> 01:04:57,679 true 1262 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,920 You know you just have to have enough 1263 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,960 You know if you start cutting down 1264 01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,539 What you can put it you know you're getting less 1265 01:05:04,539 --> 01:05:05,599 electricity so 1266 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,360 But with what they propose 1267 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,369 Again, he said theoretically there. You know you should be 1268 01:05:12,369 --> 01:05:14,800 free of an electric bill, but in reality 1269 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,369 You know maybe a couple hundred dollars during peak usage 1270 01:05:18,369 --> 01:05:19,800 days. Yeah, something so 1271 01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:23,519 I had a question 1272 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,860 Your wife who wants to carport did she like the one on the 1273 01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:31,320 end not the one across from us, but 1274 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,219 Yeah, okay, but the other one and we we went down and 1275 01:05:36,219 --> 01:05:39,420 looked at that and we've you know we won't like that 1276 01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,039 like the one across the street from us I 1277 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,110 Met because I was I was at your property today getting a 1278 01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:47,360 better look at this and what the one across the street was 1279 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,079 really noticeable 1280 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,400 All right, the what as I was driving 1281 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,780 Your wife said make you know keep a lookout for the other 1282 01:05:53,780 --> 01:05:54,280 one at the end 1283 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,559 And I I almost missed it because it just kind of blended it 1284 01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:57,760 and blends right. Yeah, yeah 1285 01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,119 It's not a nice or at all 1286 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,360 Okay 1287 01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,079 Are there any questions of 1288 01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:10,280 The applicants or the speakers 1289 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,019 And the solar shingles they are so expensive and 1290 01:06:14,019 --> 01:06:14,639 inefficient 1291 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,699 You'd have to have a roof twice that size to get even a 1292 01:06:17,699 --> 01:06:19,719 third of what we want what we're proposing 1293 01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:22,070 I just figured the technology will come down. It will it 1294 01:06:22,070 --> 01:06:23,519 will it's getting there. It's just that 1295 01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:26,760 Elon Musk is a good salesman. I 1296 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,800 Have a question for you, sir 1297 01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:34,550 Mr. Serra may I be recognized would you just point out to 1298 01:06:34,550 --> 01:06:38,480 us where that setback would be the about 10-foot? 1299 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,019 Setback about where where it would come to on that picture 1300 01:06:42,019 --> 01:06:42,239 there 1301 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,070 It would extend like that's essentially a three-car 1302 01:07:01,070 --> 01:07:02,579 driveway, yes, sir 1303 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,000 It would cover all that much with 1304 01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:08,679 the whole driveway I 1305 01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:12,309 Don't even think it would cover that I think you maybe two 1306 01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:15,159 cars with one just right there at curb level 1307 01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,079 Hanging out the back of it 1308 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,880 Is it good? 1309 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,719 Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no you have to recognize me 1310 01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,239 Who was first? He was first 1311 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,639 Not sure 1312 01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:32,280 Where's Danny one of it? If you if you push three cars 1313 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,000 If you push three cars up against the house 1314 01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:40,059 Because that a driveway will accommodate cross not down 1315 01:07:40,059 --> 01:07:42,420 right so the whole go all the way across. Yes, sir 1316 01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:45,519 That's what the seven feet on the sides for 1317 01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:56,639 So I guess the yeah proposed 1318 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,280 I 1319 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,599 Miss us a lot. Could you go back to that other picture? Do 1320 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,159 you know I'm sorry, ma'am 1321 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,380 I'm just trying to visualize this from the neighbors 1322 01:08:08,380 --> 01:08:08,960 perspective 1323 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,760 So are you gonna follow the lines of that Eve that? 1324 01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,489 That triangle there are you or you come in outside of that 1325 01:08:17,489 --> 01:08:18,880 or inside of that? 1326 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,479 Where's your carport? 1327 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,319 By this picture 1328 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,920 Sir, sir, if you can get to the mic 1329 01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:34,079 Can you go to the microphone and can he maybe use a cursor 1330 01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:37,399 or something or the mouse and identify yourself, too? 1331 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,800 Okay, okay. Okay. Hold on we're gonna take a break. I need 1332 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,119 you to if you could please 1333 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,029 Just one more time for the record. Just your name again. I 1334 01:08:54,029 --> 01:08:54,479 know you are 1335 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,409 And I don't have to swear you in again. It's okay. Is there 1336 01:08:57,409 --> 01:08:59,520 a way that he can use a cursor so he can 1337 01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:02,640 There so you can speak into the microphone 1338 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,319 No, I was wondering that the thank you pitch of the roof is 1339 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,319 it going to fall exactly the pitch? 1340 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,000 That's coming off the front is going to be larger smaller 1341 01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,590 The driveway is has a fairly decent slope downhill towards 1342 01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:18,239 the street 1343 01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:21,279 And the carport is going to pitch that direction 1344 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,710 It's going to be a single slope. It will it will the front 1345 01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:28,079 edge of it will attach to the house 1346 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,090 right along here below the eave but above the garage doors 1347 01:09:33,090 --> 01:09:33,439 and 1348 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:38,039 It will be a basically a flat structure with a slope. Oh 1349 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,560 sloping towards the street 1350 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,479 To about where this joint is in the concrete 1351 01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,520 over to this side of the side driveway 1352 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,439 When you say it was architecturally compatible, I guess I 1353 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,199 was picturing 1354 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,670 It was going to capture that pitch of the eaves and come 1355 01:09:55,670 --> 01:09:58,119 out like this. Well, it's gonna be flat 1356 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,140 For their best use of the solar panels. It's better if it's 1357 01:10:02,140 --> 01:10:02,319 flat 1358 01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:05,739 I understand pitch then they end up losing the ability to 1359 01:10:05,739 --> 01:10:07,500 use one side. I understand 1360 01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:09,720 Thank you 1361 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,939 Thank you all metal with trim trim that actually matches 1362 01:10:13,939 --> 01:10:15,140 the color of the trim of the house 1363 01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,670 It'll just kind of blend right in with it. Thank you. And I 1364 01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:20,640 think it's important to to point out to your question 1365 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,670 Mr. Higgins how far out to the side it was going to extend 1366 01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:26,359 that they are the applicant is requesting a 1367 01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,159 Variance into the side yard 1368 01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:32,640 But it is that neighbor to the side that also wrote in 1369 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,920 support of this request and there as I understand it 1370 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,329 They actually own and reside in that property and the 1371 01:10:39,329 --> 01:10:42,000 people across the street with the other carport 1372 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,439 Yeah, mr. Saka 1373 01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:56,659 Mr. Saka I really quickly how many square feet is the car 1374 01:10:56,659 --> 01:10:57,960 port? 1375 01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:03,560 Did a thousand square feet is it 1200 square feet is it 1376 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,840 That isn't written on my drawing but I can tell you in just 1377 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:09,680 a moment 1378 01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:21,560 737 and a half square feet 1379 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,760 And 1380 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,180 Since they're looking at like a thousand square feet of 1381 01:11:32,180 --> 01:11:32,520 panels 1382 01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,220 they're still going to put some on the house on the side 1383 01:11:36,220 --> 01:11:37,520 that they can use and 1384 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,609 Then they're going to use the carport structure to support 1385 01:11:40,609 --> 01:11:41,279 the rest of them 1386 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,020 That's the plan right? Yeah, that's the plan. Okay. Any 1387 01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:51,399 other questions? 1388 01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:55,810 Very helpful. Thank you. I think you can take a seat, but 1389 01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:59,300 you might have to come up later. So stay tuned 1390 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,250 Yeah, you bet. Thank you. This is a public hearing. So if 1391 01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:05,039 there's anyone who would like to speak for or against this 1392 01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:08,779 Proposal or this request you have a few minutes at the 1393 01:12:08,779 --> 01:12:09,399 microphone 1394 01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:13,399 Anyone 1395 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,470 Okay, seeing none I will close the public hearing correct 1396 01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:19,640 legal counsel 1397 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,449 We're closing the public hearings and opening it up to 1398 01:12:22,449 --> 01:12:25,199 discussion. Okay, I'm gonna close the public hearing now at 1399 01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,319 516 and we can open it up for discussion 1400 01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:34,350 Can we discuss I think we can just go right on into it. So 1401 01:12:34,350 --> 01:12:35,800 mr. Saka I 1402 01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:41,619 Would say I'm not in favor in most particularly because I 1403 01:12:41,619 --> 01:12:43,359 think if you look at the criteria 1404 01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,869 Which guides us that is special circumstances or conditions 1405 01:12:47,869 --> 01:12:51,199 that apply to the parcel for which the variance is sought 1406 01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:51,319 which 1407 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,229 Are peculiar to the parcel and not generally to other parc 1408 01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:58,159 els in the area. I think that's a no I 1409 01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:00,760 think 1410 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,500 You know the granting of the variance will not be 1411 01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:07,079 detrimental to the public welfare injurious to others 1412 01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,760 Well, I don't know even the gentleman that came up here 1413 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:11,520 said he wasn't 1414 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,659 Sure, is that just gonna open the door to have a whole 1415 01:13:14,659 --> 01:13:16,640 bunch of variances for more carports? 1416 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:18,960 and 1417 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,180 The granting of the variance is necessary for the 1418 01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:23,479 reasonable use of the parcel. I would say it's not 1419 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,520 I 1420 01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:29,039 Would also 1421 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,479 Say that what we are really talking about is a is a carport 1422 01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,520 the granting of a carport 1423 01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:42,119 Not the granting of a solar panel 1424 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,760 Even though that's a great roost to you know, great thing 1425 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,140 to discuss and I'm so totally in favor of car of solar 1426 01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:49,720 panels 1427 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,569 I just don't think looking at the neighborhood in general 1428 01:13:54,569 --> 01:13:55,520 and the fact that 1429 01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:58,119 two carports were 1430 01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:00,640 Mistakenly 1431 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,060 Developed in that neighborhood should allow us to grant a 1432 01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:05,279 variance for all 1433 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,739 Carports now if I had a hundred percent of the neighbors or 1434 01:14:08,739 --> 01:14:12,039 ninety percent of the neighbors saying yeah 1435 01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:15,449 Go ahead and we want to put carports all over the place. I 1436 01:14:15,449 --> 01:14:17,859 think that's a little different. So I'm gonna vote against 1437 01:14:17,859 --> 01:14:18,000 it 1438 01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:23,399 Yeah, please 1439 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,600 Just something to add to 1440 01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:31,310 Sokos comments is that I would even make it a more basic 1441 01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:32,960 classification is that 1442 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,560 It's not really a variance to a carport. It's a variance to 1443 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:39,359 any structure 1444 01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,119 So technically or let me say theoretically you could board 1445 01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,239 up that structure in the future 1446 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,720 Not saying that these applicants are going to 1447 01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:51,680 but maybe it is possible that if 1448 01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:55,329 The variance is granted here and then subsequent property 1449 01:14:55,329 --> 01:14:56,640 owners in the neighborhood 1450 01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:59,979 Some neighbor could do that and so you can actually have an 1451 01:14:59,979 --> 01:15:03,140 enclosed structure because this is only a variance for the 1452 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,520 Distance requirements for the setbacks. That's my question 1453 01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:13,399 Yeah, mr. Higgins I 1454 01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:17,439 Really want to call for miss barnhill on 1455 01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:23,039 the effort and expense and trouble they went to develop 1456 01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:24,960 this and to be exacted and it's 1457 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,029 Presentation and it really is it really is well done. I 1458 01:15:29,029 --> 01:15:29,520 think 1459 01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:31,880 I 1460 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,479 Wish I could support it. I but I can't and I'll make my 1461 01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,600 arguments in the following way 1462 01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:41,600 First of all, I agree with mr. Commissioner Saco 1463 01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:45,630 when you go through the criteria, it does not meet the 1464 01:15:45,630 --> 01:15:47,399 criteria and I'm 1465 01:15:48,079 --> 01:15:51,489 Inclined to think like mr. Tribble thinks you know, I mean 1466 01:15:51,489 --> 01:15:54,520 the camel gets his nose under the tent and then 1467 01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,079 Even though if a gets it that doesn't mean B should get it 1468 01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:00,960 there's sort of a bias to help be get it because they got 1469 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:01,359 it and 1470 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,000 So I would that would be a problem for me 1471 01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,800 second I would 1472 01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:11,439 Bring bring up what mr. Mangitha mentioned which is that 1473 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,340 while we're talking a lot about solar panels and the desir 1474 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:15,079 ability of that 1475 01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:18,800 That is not the governing consideration here. The governing 1476 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,760 consideration is the variance and 1477 01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:26,010 Really when I look at that and I see the scale and I drove 1478 01:16:26,010 --> 01:16:27,840 I drove the site today 1479 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,840 It's been about 10 minutes looking at 1480 01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,439 the scale of that that is really 1481 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,859 Really is large. That's not really consistent with what 1482 01:16:36,859 --> 01:16:38,079 happens in the neighborhood 1483 01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:40,520 so 1484 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,520 That's that's a problem with me 1485 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,439 When you 1486 01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,439 Drive the site and you look at the three 1487 01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:53,989 Car carport right across the street which does extend way 1488 01:16:53,989 --> 01:16:55,199 out now 1489 01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:58,159 This was going to extend way out to it's a shame that they 1490 01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:01,119 'd be right now right across from each other like that 1491 01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:04,039 but that's going to create I really think 1492 01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:09,890 Something there's not complimentary to the neighborhood or 1493 01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:13,279 to the values the property in the neighborhood and finally 1494 01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:14,359 what I would say is I 1495 01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:17,119 Looked at the vote here 1496 01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:19,760 of the neighbors and I realized that 1497 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,560 Miss Barnhill has included two 1498 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,199 positive votes in her in her applicant in her packet 1499 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,520 but when you look at the 1500 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,550 Ones the neighbors that have submitted in response to the 1501 01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:34,100 solicitation from the city 1502 01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:39,399 The vote was the vote was five to two against now, mr. Barn 1503 01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:39,800 hill 1504 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,079 I mean, sorry, mr. Triple B becoming ambivalent on the deal 1505 01:17:44,079 --> 01:17:45,479 . So if I scratch that 1506 01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:50,869 It's still a vote of four to two against and it's not just 1507 01:17:50,869 --> 01:17:52,880 that it's that vote neighbors 1508 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,500 I think want to support neighbors my neighbor down the 1509 01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:57,880 street wanted to do something 1510 01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,289 I'd like to let them do help them do it and do what they 1511 01:18:01,289 --> 01:18:01,600 want to do 1512 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,880 So it says to me that on balance there 1513 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,000 of those that voted 1514 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,020 There there is a concern about its impact upon the 1515 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,000 neighborhood 1516 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:14,880 so 1517 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,439 with all compliment to miss Barnhill and 1518 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,000 What she wants to do? 1519 01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:23,739 And how she's presented it. I feel like I have to vote 1520 01:18:23,739 --> 01:18:24,359 against it 1521 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,020 I'm sorry. No because what the the the public hearing is 1522 01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:33,979 closed now. Thank you 1523 01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:37,119 Mr. Surratt 1524 01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:41,189 This is one of those decisions that I used to deal with 1525 01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:43,880 with my children and with my students is 1526 01:18:44,359 --> 01:18:47,960 that my emotions tell me one way and the rules tell me 1527 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,279 another way and 1528 01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,369 I also want to support it and I'm also concerned that my 1529 01:18:55,369 --> 01:18:56,960 emotions for 1530 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,939 Alternative energy are not one of the criteria's that we 1531 01:19:00,939 --> 01:19:01,960 can consider 1532 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,220 I would say that if the 1533 01:19:06,039 --> 01:19:07,279 board 1534 01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:09,039 decides to decline 1535 01:19:09,039 --> 01:19:11,840 That I would like I really think that that this is 1536 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,520 something that's needed in the city that more 1537 01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:18,560 momentum for this and that you should go to your 1538 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,880 council representative and 1539 01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:26,569 Look at doing some site designs and you know some sort of 1540 01:19:26,569 --> 01:19:27,079 codes 1541 01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:31,140 How do we put solar collectors where there's not enough 1542 01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:31,479 space? 1543 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,960 I have a south-facing garage, and I'm waiting for the 1544 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,119 technology to arrive so that it fits the space of my garage 1545 01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:42,050 Then I'm going to reroute my garage put solar panels on it, 1546 01:19:42,050 --> 01:19:42,840 and that's what I'm waiting for 1547 01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:46,920 You know, but I would love to see it. I'd love to see that 1548 01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:50,199 Energy because it's something I really want in the city so 1549 01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:53,840 go to the council see what kind of site design what kind of 1550 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:53,840 ? 1551 01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,479 things that we can do 1552 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,279 But anyway, that's so I 1553 01:20:04,279 --> 01:20:06,279 Have some reflections and 1554 01:20:07,159 --> 01:20:09,899 So I'm actually going to disagree with staff's 1555 01:20:09,899 --> 01:20:11,960 interpretation of some of the 1556 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,000 special circumstances 1557 01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:18,800 Because I see for example the staff argues that 1558 01:20:19,359 --> 01:20:23,600 Okay, so section 35 3 6 b 2 DDC blah blah 1559 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,500 Section a or it says the subject property does not have 1560 01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,850 special circumstances or conditions that do not apply 1561 01:20:30,850 --> 01:20:32,359 generally to other parcels in the neighborhood 1562 01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:34,699 I'm going to disagree with that the reason I'm going to 1563 01:20:34,699 --> 01:20:36,359 disagree with that is because this is actually an owner 1564 01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:37,460 occupied property 1565 01:20:37,460 --> 01:20:39,479 There's a lot of rentals on the street 1566 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,359 These are the owners of the property the people who have 1567 01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:48,100 There are the map did not reflect it and I wish that it 1568 01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:49,920 would have been more accurate this evening 1569 01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:53,989 But those who support this also live like directly across 1570 01:20:53,989 --> 01:20:57,399 the street and in visual they're going to see this it's 1571 01:20:57,399 --> 01:20:58,239 going to impact 1572 01:20:59,239 --> 01:21:00,640 Arguably their properties more than any of the other 1573 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:01,840 properties on the street 1574 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,579 and and so I think that this does have a special 1575 01:21:04,579 --> 01:21:07,039 circumstance because its owner occupied and 1576 01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,720 The owner is seeking out solar panels 1577 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,949 Which is something we as a city have set out as a goal to 1578 01:21:14,949 --> 01:21:18,720 to make easier for our residents to do and 1579 01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,479 And I don't see us 1580 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,739 Working with the resident in this so this is a very special 1581 01:21:24,739 --> 01:21:26,399 circumstance owner occupied 1582 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,479 wants a solar panel it fits in with the Denton 2030 plan 1583 01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:31,680 and to your point mr. 1584 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,439 Mengita you you said it's not necessarily the solar panels 1585 01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,600 that were against but the placement of them I 1586 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,279 Hear your point however. This is an estate these either 1587 01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:43,279 there are established trees all up and down 1588 01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,960 This this street. This is an older home with with older 1589 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:48,840 trees on it 1590 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,699 It's kind of silly to put up solar panels if you have to 1591 01:21:51,699 --> 01:21:54,079 cut down trees to do it kind of defeats the purpose right 1592 01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:54,319 and 1593 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,489 So so I hear that it's not a sub at the solar plans but 1594 01:21:57,489 --> 01:21:58,159 placement of them 1595 01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:02,180 But I mean when we have people in the in the city center 1596 01:22:02,180 --> 01:22:05,199 who who want to improve their property 1597 01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,020 And the city's not really willing to work with them on that 1598 01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:11,449 even though the city has said we we need to make this a 1599 01:22:11,449 --> 01:22:11,640 priority 1600 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,130 I see a real disconnect there, so I disagree with staffs 1601 01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:18,039 interpretation of that and secondly part B 1602 01:22:18,359 --> 01:22:20,779 What you know they're trying to create visually uniform 1603 01:22:20,779 --> 01:22:21,359 neighborhoods? 1604 01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,720 There are other existing 1605 01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:28,800 Carports on the street one is done very nicely 1606 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,729 That I almost I drove past and I almost missed it and so 1607 01:22:32,729 --> 01:22:35,439 when it's done nicely it can create 1608 01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,619 Some some uniformity in the neighborhood because there are 1609 01:22:38,619 --> 01:22:39,260 already existing 1610 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,909 Structures so so I disagree with staffs interpretation of 1611 01:22:42,909 --> 01:22:46,159 this I am in support of this and I think it's 1612 01:22:47,239 --> 01:22:49,659 Really unfortunate that we're making the applicant jump 1613 01:22:49,659 --> 01:22:52,329 through so many hoops when we have explicitly said as a 1614 01:22:52,329 --> 01:22:53,520 city that this is something 1615 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:58,199 That we want to to work on and and become a greener city 1616 01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:01,119 And so so I'm actually in support of this and wish we can 1617 01:23:01,119 --> 01:23:03,319 make it easier for people in the future 1618 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,880 So other discussion 1619 01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:14,640 Mr. House I'm gonna have to agree of mr. Sacco and 1620 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,359 gentlemen to my right I 1621 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,199 Don't think that this meets the special circumstances 1622 01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:23,939 And I don't think that just because the homeowner versus a 1623 01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:26,560 very heavily rental neighborhood is meeting special 1624 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,439 circumstances 1625 01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,180 That's like saying well. I own my car, but you lease so I 1626 01:23:30,180 --> 01:23:32,439 get the right of way it doesn't work for me 1627 01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:37,909 And I understand that they've got these large old-growth 1628 01:23:37,909 --> 01:23:39,760 trees, and I'm not saying they should come down 1629 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,760 But they maybe could be thinned quite a bit 1630 01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:45,060 Maybe they could get some solar panels on their roof 1631 01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:47,539 instead of all the ones they want and not get a hundred 1632 01:23:47,539 --> 01:23:47,880 percent 1633 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,300 But get some of them off their belt. There's just options 1634 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:51,960 seems to me 1635 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,439 that 1636 01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,239 Can be met 1637 01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,239 within the codes as they stand 1638 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,319 And just because there's two carports one that was 1639 01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:02,720 permitted by mistake 1640 01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:06,539 Okay, and one that was has seems almost from the 1641 01:24:06,539 --> 01:24:09,960 description from staff almost like a scoff-law 1642 01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,760 Who's in an agreement that yes my neighbor across the 1643 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,079 street should have a carport like mine 1644 01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:16,260 So then next month I can come and get a variance for mine 1645 01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:18,930 too that I've been building since 2003 and rebuilding and 1646 01:24:18,930 --> 01:24:19,800 rebuilding and rebuilding 1647 01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:21,479 so 1648 01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,569 Their support kind of doesn't carry it for me considering 1649 01:24:24,569 --> 01:24:25,520 that they're already 1650 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,840 Violating city ordinance and have been since a long time 1651 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,119 back and they keep rebuilding it and they keep adding on to 1652 01:24:33,119 --> 01:24:33,199 it 1653 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,720 And they keep changing it every time they buy or sell a 1654 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:36,920 boat or a car or whatnot 1655 01:24:37,319 --> 01:24:39,920 so I'm a little concerned that 1656 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,119 while I believe that these 1657 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,760 residents have every intention of building a 1658 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,560 solar panel structure 1659 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,340 The question does become a concern of what about the next 1660 01:24:53,340 --> 01:24:56,279 person that comes in wants to get a variance for their 1661 01:24:56,279 --> 01:24:56,960 extended 1662 01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,640 Okay, so it's a concern for me 1663 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,060 And I don't see anything that meets the guidelines for a 1664 01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:05,319 variance in this case while it is said and I do like the 1665 01:25:05,319 --> 01:25:05,399 idea 1666 01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:07,399 of solar panels like everybody else I 1667 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,359 Don't see anything that says to me that 1668 01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:14,069 They can't live in their house without this solar panel 1669 01:25:14,069 --> 01:25:16,239 array the way that they want to build it right now 1670 01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:21,680 Mr. Sokka, did you have your hand up? I was gonna make a 1671 01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,899 motion that we deny the 1672 01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:27,399 The variance as requested 1673 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,239 Second 1674 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:33,659 The first from mr. Sokka a second from mr. House and the 1675 01:25:33,659 --> 01:25:35,119 motion is to deny the request 1676 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,640 Is there any further discussion before we take a vote? 1677 01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,439 All in favor of denial 1678 01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,920 Five 1679 01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:50,979 And I I guess I would then I guess voting against the 1680 01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:51,600 denial 1681 01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:57,810 That's two so the vote carries five to two and the variance 1682 01:25:57,810 --> 01:25:58,640 is denied 1683 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,199 Requires so 1684 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,470 Required can you interpret that for me? It requires a super 1685 01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:07,479 majority so 1686 01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,000 Can you can you speak I want to hear what your answer is 1687 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,680 action taken by this board requires a super majority 1688 01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:21,369 So we're a hung jury or something. Is that what that means? 1689 01:26:21,369 --> 01:26:25,600 I'll make it easy. Yeah, let me I'm gonna make another 1690 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:26,279 motion 1691 01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,779 I'll make a motion. We approve it, which means if we have a 1692 01:26:30,779 --> 01:26:34,319 superman now, we already voted what right so 1693 01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:37,079 So I want to hear your answer. The motion was to deny 1694 01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:41,130 The variance request now if mr. Sokka wants to make a 1695 01:26:41,130 --> 01:26:44,439 motion to approve staff's recommendation 1696 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,960 It's my understanding that would 1697 01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:49,399 not be a denial that would be 1698 01:26:50,079 --> 01:26:53,489 Affirmation of staffs recommendation. Okay. I'm gonna rephr 1699 01:26:53,489 --> 01:26:53,520 ase 1700 01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:57,979 So so we voted it was five to however was not a supermajor 1701 01:26:57,979 --> 01:27:00,840 ity therefore the motion does not 1702 01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,199 Carry is that correct? Well it if I can interrupt 1703 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,960 The super majority is to approve it to approve only 1704 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,640 To deny it does it the supermajority does not? 1705 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,520 They don't think you need a supermajority 1706 01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:20,399 Jobbing is me hard 1707 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,119 The reason why a variance requires a supermajority in under 1708 01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:33,840 these circumstances it's to approve only 1709 01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:39,819 Right. So by the five to vote to deny the request is that 1710 01:27:39,819 --> 01:27:40,119 vote? 1711 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,949 Doesn't approve it doesn't approve it. No, because it's not 1712 01:27:43,949 --> 01:27:47,430 an affirmative vote to approve if we did if somebody did a 1713 01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:48,680 motion to approve it 1714 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,479 Which is probably what I should have done 1715 01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:54,720 Which and then we got a second and then we voted against it 1716 01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,600 Then it would be dead. So that's where the confusions, but 1717 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,000 I think it's a text. I'm just interested mr. Sokka's 1718 01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:09,039 Larry names so suck suck. Oh, yeah. Yes, sir. I interpreted 1719 01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:09,939 his to be a denial 1720 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,960 of 1721 01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:15,390 Staffs recommendation, but you're actually saying you're 1722 01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:17,909 proving staffs recommendation. So that doesn't that is what 1723 01:28:17,909 --> 01:28:18,859 I was saying. Yes 1724 01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:22,170 So that does not say deny the variance the great variance, 1725 01:28:22,170 --> 01:28:22,800 right? 1726 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,840 So where we at? 1727 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,880 So that that motion carries 1728 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,100 Because it doesn't require a supermajority. That's correct 1729 01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:35,539 It's only the change in the ordinance that grant that the 1730 01:28:35,539 --> 01:28:38,340 variance ordinance requires a supermajority 1731 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,010 Prove it would require a six one vote but to deny it we 1732 01:28:42,010 --> 01:28:43,000 just did 1733 01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:49,840 Is it yes six one or five two, oh wait, we've got six 1734 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,800 people so 1735 01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,720 Clear as mud 1736 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,840 Be a five one vote, okay 1737 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,039 So in a nutshell we've 1738 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,800 approved staffs 1739 01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,720 recommendation of 1740 01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,720 denial 1741 01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:15,279 Yeah, that's good she was like, yeah sure 1742 01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:22,439 Okay, sorry, okay, and I lost all my notes 1743 01:29:34,039 --> 01:29:37,460 Okay, thank you. All right that brings us to the end of our 1744 01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:39,789 agenda any concluding items is there anything we'd like to 1745 01:29:39,789 --> 01:29:40,439 see it future 1746 01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:43,239 ZBA meetings or any 1747 01:29:43,359 --> 01:29:45,359 other items we need to 1748 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,960 Mention it this time 1749 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000 Okay 1750 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,090 Mr. Sarrat not for us, but I would I mean I am in favor of 1751 01:29:55,090 --> 01:29:58,039 more of this and and before I feel comfortable with 1752 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,649 Granting variances. I'd like the council to weigh in on 1753 01:30:01,649 --> 01:30:04,119 what they'd like things to look at so, you know 1754 01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:07,020 I take a message to council that will probably more and 1755 01:30:07,020 --> 01:30:08,199 more of these and I 1756 01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:10,829 Agree, and I think it's something that the planning and 1757 01:30:10,829 --> 01:30:13,199 zoning board should probably look at into the planning 1758 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:13,600 department 1759 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,479 Yeah, you guys been you know under while you got a lot of a 1760 01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,720 lot of things that you have to deal with every day 1761 01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,949 But we have a dent in 2030 plan and we're almost to 2020. 1762 01:30:23,949 --> 01:30:24,279 Yeah 1763 01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,850 So we like if we want to further these goals. These are the 1764 01:30:26,850 --> 01:30:29,159 types of things that we need. Okay, we have it in our plan 1765 01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:30,039 How are we gonna get there? 1766 01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:33,449 I would recommend the staff take that to PNZ or council so 1767 01:30:33,449 --> 01:30:34,560 that we have a plan for 1768 01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,659 how these things supposed to look and and I'd be happy to 1769 01:30:37,659 --> 01:30:38,739 write a letter to 1770 01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:42,199 Encourage that because I don't like turning down folks 1771 01:30:42,199 --> 01:30:45,069 I just have to stick I feel I have to stick by the rules, 1772 01:30:45,069 --> 01:30:47,680 but I'm my hearts are with them, you know, and 1773 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,689 So I if I can make another comment to you on this to me is 1774 01:30:52,689 --> 01:30:53,399 was has 1775 01:30:54,039 --> 01:30:57,119 To me had absolutely nothing to do with the solar panels. 1776 01:30:57,119 --> 01:30:59,159 Yeah, that's the problem to me 1777 01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:02,239 I'm fully in support of solar panels. We'll live for every 1778 01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:02,979 neighborhood damn 1779 01:31:03,159 --> 01:31:06,670 But when you're building new structures to incorporate a 1780 01:31:06,670 --> 01:31:07,500 solar panel 1781 01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:10,739 I have a problem with that if it varies from the ordinance 1782 01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,500 Sounds like something for future staff and PNZ and council. 1783 01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:16,960 Yeah, I'd love to see them come up with a consistency 1784 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,960 Is there anything else? I 1785 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,680 Don't I know we've always voted in the past to adjourn the 1786 01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,760 meeting but is that a thing that we have to do is that 1787 01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,500 Just kind of yeah, we do. Okay. All right. Is there a 1788 01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:28,760 motion to adjourn the meeting? 1789 01:31:29,359 --> 01:31:32,479 Mr. House second mr. Cole all in favor 1790 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,520 All right