WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.330 Item number one on our regular meeting is to consider 00:00:04.330 --> 00:00:05.919 approval of the Traffic 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:10.669 Safety Commission meeting of meeting minutes of August 7th 00:00:10.669 --> 00:00:13.140 2017. Has everybody 00:00:13.140 --> 00:00:19.230 had a chance to look at the minutes? Okay. Do I have a 00:00:19.230 --> 00:00:23.399 motion? Okay. I have a 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:29.600 motion. I have a second. Anyone favor? Approval? Yes. Okay. 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:30.879 That brings us to item 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:35.210 B which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and 00:00:35.210 --> 00:00:36.719 provide direction 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:41.140 relating to speed limit along Hickory Street between Avenue 00:00:41.140 --> 00:00:44.359 A and Welch Street. 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:54.619 Thank you, Vice Chair. My name is Preet. I'm the Traffic 00:00:54.619 --> 00:00:55.119 Engineer for the 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.659 city and I'll be presenting next two to three items and 00:00:58.659 --> 00:00:59.920 then I think the last 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:04.189 item will be presented by the chief. So let me get started. 00:01:04.189 --> 00:01:06.319 I want to, I know 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:09.329 everything is written down in the report but I really want 00:01:09.329 --> 00:01:10.519 everyone to focus on 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:16.849 the area, the way it is set up, and here's a map. The 00:01:16.849 --> 00:01:18.159 previous 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:22.760 Commissioner, Mr. Hannon, he had brought up this issue 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.280 regarding the speed limit 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:30.719 along this segment of Hickory Street. This segment of Hick 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:31.359 ory Street is 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:35.689 right in the middle of this whole commercial district. It 00:01:35.689 --> 00:01:37.040 is not 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:42.079 adjacent to UNT property. So currently the posted speed 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.439 limit between Avenue A 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.390 and Welch along Hickory is 30 miles an hour which is pretty 00:01:49.390 --> 00:01:51.560 standard for 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.079 residential streets throughout the city and the segment of 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:57.120 Hickory between 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:03.000 Avenue C and Avenue A is posted at 20 miles an hour because 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:03.680 as you see 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:09.000 there's UNT right on the south side. There is a parking lot 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:09.319 and all 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.439 these different buildings that I think most of them have 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:14.879 classes in them. So 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.909 because of this being a school or an educational 00:02:19.909 --> 00:02:22.520 institution, the speed limits 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:29.360 per our ordinance. I think the chapter 18 section 18-72 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:30.520 says that if you're 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.259 close or if you're abutting a school or educational 00:02:34.259 --> 00:02:36.199 institution, church or a 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:41.460 medical building or a hospital, the speeds may be reduced 00:02:41.460 --> 00:02:42.879 to 20 miles an hour. 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:48.639 And based on that ordinance, back in the day this segment 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:50.159 between Avenue C and 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:55.300 Avenue A was converted to 20 miles an hour. Rest of Hickory 00:02:55.300 --> 00:02:57.439 , west of Avenue C 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:03.629 and east of Avenue A is all 30 miles an hour and 00:03:03.629 --> 00:03:05.199 Commissioner Hannon has 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.150 suggested looking at this segment, just a short segment and 00:03:08.150 --> 00:03:09.400 converting it into a 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.560 20 mile per hour zone. So what we did is we collected speed 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:15.840 information, collected 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:20.439 speed surveys for a period about five days and we found out 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:21.759 the majority of 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:27.849 the motorists or vehicles are traveling at around 25 to 26 00:03:27.849 --> 00:03:29.919 miles an hour. So it's 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.469 not over the speed limit, it's not even close to the speed 00:03:33.469 --> 00:03:34.840 limit, it's a 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.759 about five miles less than the speed limit. So yeah, given 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:39.560 the fact that 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:46.080 they're fairly within the speed limits currently and there 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:46.680 no one's 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:52.219 speeding, 85% of folks are doing this and given that we 00:03:52.219 --> 00:03:53.599 need to quickly move 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:58.139 traffic in this particular segment, there are sometimes 00:03:58.139 --> 00:03:59.560 loading trucks and stuff 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.969 like that. So the more traffic that stays in this area and 00:04:03.969 --> 00:04:05.039 the slower it 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.409 moves in this area creates a lot more congestion. So 00:04:08.409 --> 00:04:10.039 looking at all the 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:14.590 different aspects of this, staff feels that we feel that it 00:04:14.590 --> 00:04:16.639 should be 30 miles 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:19.959 an hour, remain 30 miles an hour. There's no ordinance to 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:21.199 back that section to 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.089 going down to 20 miles an hour. There's nothing, we'll have 00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:25.959 to specifically take 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:29.259 it to council and reduce it. Even the 85th percentile 00:04:29.259 --> 00:04:30.519 suggests it's 26. 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.149 Typically when you do that you have to bump it to the 00:04:33.149 --> 00:04:34.600 nearest, round it to the 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.300 nearest highest and that's the posted speed limit. So there 00:04:39.300 --> 00:04:40.279 is no nexus or 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:44.769 there is no real study to back this up. So staff is 00:04:44.769 --> 00:04:46.600 suggesting we don't change 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.839 the speed limit and leave it the way it is today. 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.560 Any comments, questions? 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.959 Yes. 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:12.050 There is currently signage that actually starts right about 00:05:12.050 --> 00:05:13.959 there. 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:29.800 So right after you cross Avenue A. Oh boy, it's not going 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:30.040 to work. 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:36.209 But there's signage right about here. It says it's 30 miles 00:05:36.209 --> 00:05:37.240 an hour. 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:49.000 I'm on the wrong direction. 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:19.279 Yeah, it's hiding. It's hidden behind this pole. Okay. Well 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:20.120 we do have a card 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:25.290 on this item and I've card from Kim McKibben who wishes to 00:06:25.290 --> 00:06:26.879 speak. So if you 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:33.410 would please, will you state your name and your address? My 00:06:33.410 --> 00:06:35.600 name is Kim McKibben. 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.160 I own the business in the building at 1306 West Hickory 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.480 Street. It currently houses 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:46.240 Oro Coffee. Specifically the merchants along with the Fry 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:47.079 Street Merchants 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.410 Association have requested previously that this small 00:06:51.410 --> 00:06:52.959 section be reduced to 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.779 20 miles an hour. We feel like it will increase the safety 00:06:57.779 --> 00:06:59.240 in the area and not 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.290 so much congest anything because if they're moving through 00:07:02.290 --> 00:07:03.600 another 600 feet 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.930 at 20 miles an hour, we've got students that walk right out 00:07:07.930 --> 00:07:09.240 into the traffic. We 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.329 have a lot of congestion in the area and we did 00:07:13.329 --> 00:07:15.879 specifically ask that this 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.709 particular part of West Hickory be changed to 20 miles an 00:07:20.709 --> 00:07:22.079 hour and we're 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.629 told no. I would like to point out that the traffic study 00:07:25.629 --> 00:07:26.959 that he is referring 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:31.120 to was done beginning August the 1st which was prior to 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:31.959 school going into 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.290 session this summer and that previous traffic studies that 00:07:36.290 --> 00:07:37.600 had been done when 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.959 they wanted to do additional development in the area came 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:42.000 back, well you've got 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.449 about the right number of cars but you've got a speed 00:07:44.449 --> 00:07:45.560 problem down here. 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:50.649 Hickory becomes where it crosses Welch is one of the bus 00:07:50.649 --> 00:07:52.040 iest intersections in 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:54.930 the entire area around the University of North Texas. That 00:07:54.930 --> 00:07:55.959 's been proven with 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.519 other studies done during the school year. So we 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.680 specifically requested that 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:06.430 this be slowed down, that you know we are looking to 00:08:06.430 --> 00:08:08.639 increase the safety. They're 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.889 also looking at a lot of other things in this particular 00:08:11.889 --> 00:08:13.240 area as this is part of 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.839 the small plan development that is going into place. We're 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:16.600 not real sure what's 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:19.410 going to happen at this point with sidewalks, with bypass, 00:08:19.410 --> 00:08:20.279 and those sorts of 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:25.569 things. But we did request that this be reduced to 20 miles 00:08:25.569 --> 00:08:27.240 an hour and do not 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:31.329 see any evidence from what was presented in the data that 00:08:31.329 --> 00:08:32.679 was in on the website 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:36.230 at this point that it's going to cause any difference in 00:08:36.230 --> 00:08:37.639 what's going on. Most 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:42.340 of the trucks, the delivery trucks, are past the area down 00:08:42.340 --> 00:08:43.720 there around Lucky 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:45.940 Lou's where it opens up a little bit. They pull over to 00:08:45.940 --> 00:08:46.919 that side or they pull 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.470 up right in front of that area. For me on the other side I 00:08:50.470 --> 00:08:51.840 'm still in the 20 mile 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.440 an hour zone and I can tell you that they're not doing 20 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:55.279 miles an hour when 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.509 they come from the other areas and down the hill because it 00:08:58.509 --> 00:08:59.639 comes down the hill. 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.460 Not even the bicycles are doing 20 miles an hour coming 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:05.320 down the hill. I would 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.909 submit as a representative of the other merchants on the 00:09:08.909 --> 00:09:11.039 Fry Street that this be 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.279 changed to 20 miles an hour is not a hardship to the city. 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:15.200 It's not going to 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.200 make a big difference. You also have people parallel 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:19.720 parking in the area and 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.820 you know it helps if if they're slower. But our major 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:25.200 concern was for the 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.750 students and for the individuals going in the evening back 00:09:28.750 --> 00:09:29.879 and forth from the 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.889 the U Center over to the bars that are on that side and 00:09:32.889 --> 00:09:34.320 over to the commercial 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:39.639 areas that are there. So yes this request was made. I am a 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:40.399 little surprised that 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:44.809 the study wasn't brought out any more than just presenting 00:09:44.809 --> 00:09:47.440 data. So I guess 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.240 that's all. Unless somebody has questions I can answer your 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.159 questions. 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:57.769 I have a question. On your form you said that there was not 00:09:57.769 --> 00:09:58.840 enough info on the 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.779 agenda to know what was being discussed. Do you feel that 00:10:01.779 --> 00:10:02.399 other Fry Street 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:07.100 merchants would also felt less informed and then they may 00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:08.919 have needed to be in 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.879 order to come to this evening? Absolutely. There was 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.519 nothing there except the first initial 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.879 statement about that there would be a discussion and then 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:19.120 the raw data. It 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.159 wasn't that the city was proposing that it remain at 30 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:23.600 miles an hour. There was 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:26.649 no indication of what was going to be discussed here this 00:10:26.649 --> 00:10:28.000 evening. There should 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.509 have well I had other people who were supposed to come with 00:10:30.509 --> 00:10:31.200 me but you know 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.179 that happens sometimes. Pretent does this have to be 00:10:35.179 --> 00:10:38.679 noticed to business owners? 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:43.720 No. Typically speed limits are it's more based on federal 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:44.080 and state 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.450 guidelines how we define speed limits and post them and 00:10:47.450 --> 00:10:49.559 regulate them. So if 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.970 there were studies conducted that show that speed limits 00:10:52.970 --> 00:10:54.240 cannot be changed or 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.379 if you try and reduce the speed limits there are going to 00:10:58.379 --> 00:10:59.799 be more citations 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.399 there are more people that are going to go above the speed 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.360 limits more kind of 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:07.960 regulatory issues that the city is going to run into as 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.840 well as challenges in 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.820 proving in court that this was acceptable when the study 00:11:13.820 --> 00:11:15.000 shows that or 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:20.120 the speed survey shows that 85th percentile is more than 20 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:20.600 miles an hour. 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:26.129 How would you set something at load? Those are the typical 00:11:26.129 --> 00:11:27.320 federal and state 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.860 guidelines that we follow and it's been seen throughout the 00:11:30.860 --> 00:11:32.399 nation that if speed 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.519 limits are set based on these particular guidelines 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:36.960 typically they are followed 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.129 they can be regulated they can be and they're acceptable in 00:11:40.129 --> 00:11:41.039 the court of law. 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:44.840 But here if we post something that's below then it becomes 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:45.919 a challenge for 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:55.139 everyone. I'm all about safety I'm not saying that's not. I 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:58.559 can only make 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.389 comment if I'm asked a question. My question is if this 00:12:03.389 --> 00:12:04.679 were to be reduced 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:09.379 is the major cost to the city enforcement? Correct. En 00:12:09.379 --> 00:12:10.480 forcement and 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:14.899 actually compliance. People complying would go and the 00:12:14.899 --> 00:12:16.519 other issue would be is 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.500 if we start enforcing and start ticketing if it's 00:12:20.500 --> 00:12:22.240 challenging the court 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:29.070 it doesn't hold ground. Our study doesn't support it. Thank 00:12:29.070 --> 00:12:29.159 you. I have a question. 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:35.009 Who enforces the parking and the speeding? City or UNT? It 00:12:35.009 --> 00:12:36.639 depends on where you are. 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:41.059 Supposedly the University of North Texas is responsible for 00:12:41.059 --> 00:12:42.919 the parking in most 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:46.480 of this area. It is currently the city that is responsible 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:47.399 for enforcement of 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.750 the speed limits all the way down West Hickory Street. It 00:12:50.750 --> 00:12:51.519 is not the 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.129 responsibility of the University of North Texas by the 00:12:54.129 --> 00:12:54.879 Interlock and 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.200 Agreement to enforce speeding only parking. So this is one 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:01.320 of the things that 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:06.289 we were we were looking at when we made this request at 00:13:06.289 --> 00:13:11.080 multiple meetings. Where 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:16.039 are you going with the small area plan? Don't know yet. Don 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:17.000 't really have 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.960 answers to those things yet. They are currently started 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.080 collecting data 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:24.320 from the stakeholders and from the people in the area. They 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:25.039 started 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:28.009 doing interviews with the consultants. The consultants were 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:28.840 just brought on 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:32.669 board beginning of this month I think with the final budget 00:13:32.669 --> 00:13:34.759 approval. So we 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:39.029 won't know that for a little while. Would you be happy with 00:13:39.029 --> 00:13:41.080 a fresh survey when a 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.059 little farther down the road? I would be happy with a fresh 00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:46.440 survey. I would also 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:53.269 like to give the the other stakeholders and business owners 00:13:53.269 --> 00:13:54.440 in the area an 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.379 opportunity to know that they need to speak to this council 00:13:57.379 --> 00:13:58.559 related to this. I 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:02.649 speak to this committee related to this. I do not feel like 00:14:02.649 --> 00:14:03.720 that we were well 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.700 informed about what's going on. I just came not knowing 00:14:07.700 --> 00:14:10.039 what it was. Would one 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.870 more meeting be sufficient for you? If you will allow me to 00:14:13.870 --> 00:14:15.039 develop some sort of 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:17.879 petition for those people who cannot get here to give 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.360 comment or to send comment 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:24.590 to you guys individually. So can we hold it for a date 00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:29.320 certain? Yeah we can. For 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:33.409 next meeting. Next meeting. Can I have a date for that 00:14:33.409 --> 00:14:35.519 please? 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:43.700 It's uncertain. I understand that. This is not the usual 00:14:43.700 --> 00:14:45.600 Thursday. No this is not the usual. 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.600 No because it's the holidays. 00:14:53.600 --> 00:15:00.429 It's typically the first Monday of the month. So yeah we we 00:15:00.429 --> 00:15:02.840 're not sure if we want to meet in 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:06.870 15 days and if we can even get there within 15 days with 00:15:06.870 --> 00:15:08.039 this particular item. 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:12.240 Can we go to the first November? 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:20.240 Sixth of November. Is that okay? That should be fine. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:25.740 Okay. Thank you very much for coming. We appreciate it. So 00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:27.720 if it's okay with everybody we will 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:32.539 continue this on November 6th. Do we re... this isn't 00:15:32.539 --> 00:15:34.759 planning and zoning. Do we 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.679 don't need to reopen anything? We don't need to reopen 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.360 anything. Okay so 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.519 November 6th. We'll see you again. Okay that brings us to 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.759 item number C. Letter C. 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.740 Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding no parking 00:15:52.740 --> 00:15:54.320 anytime restriction 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:59.710 on the south side of Congress Street from Bolivar Street to 00:15:59.710 --> 00:16:01.519 Carroll Boulevard. 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:14.009 Okay this item has been on the matrix for a while and it 00:16:14.009 --> 00:16:15.159 was first brought up by 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:22.009 some residents in the area and since that time and even in 00:16:22.009 --> 00:16:23.120 the recent past 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.450 there have been quite a few changes along this particular 00:16:27.450 --> 00:16:29.200 segment of Congress 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:36.440 and currently Congress Street which stretches pretty much 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:39.159 east-west from I 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:46.529 think it stretches from Oakland all the way west past the 00:16:46.529 --> 00:16:49.120 high school. So the 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:53.720 section between... I'm trying to get to that. Okay the 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.000 section between Carroll 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:59.759 and Bolivar is the segment that we're currently looking at 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:00.879 and just a little 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:05.630 brief background on what the street widths are and why we 00:17:05.630 --> 00:17:07.200 're proposing the 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.039 parking restrictions on Congress. So what's happening is if 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.079 you go all the way 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:17.109 to the east this segment of Congress between Oakland Street 00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:18.200 and all the way 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:24.400 to Elm is 20 feet wide. It barely has any space for parking 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:25.279 lanes. There are two 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:30.259 travel lanes. They're striped that way and if I can zoom in 00:17:30.259 --> 00:17:31.079 you can see it 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.619 better. But this is a really narrow section of Congress. 00:17:34.619 --> 00:17:35.720 The further you move 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.369 out I think the pavement width changes so does the land use 00:17:39.369 --> 00:17:40.680 . If you look at this 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:45.509 segment this land use is commercial between the two one-way 00:17:45.509 --> 00:17:46.759 couplets between 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:51.769 Locust and Elm and this commercial area this is about 30 00:17:51.769 --> 00:17:53.900 feet wide which can 00:17:53.900 --> 00:17:57.009 support parking on either side. This is the widest segment 00:17:57.009 --> 00:17:58.400 which is 36 feet wide. 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:03.380 It does have commercial on either side. Then you get into 00:18:03.380 --> 00:18:04.160 this this particular 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.799 segment which is what we're talking about. It is a mixed 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.000 use at this point. It 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.599 is not necessarily completely a residential like this 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:14.599 segment on the 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:19.420 other side of Carroll. This has a seven-mile cafe, some 00:18:19.420 --> 00:18:20.480 more commercial in 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:24.400 the backside. There is other things going on here. I just 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:25.519 found out from one of the 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.349 residents that this is being used as a yoga place or 00:18:29.349 --> 00:18:31.359 something more than just a 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:35.279 residential unit. So all these different things happening 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:36.920 at this corner and I 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:42.309 believe there is a trickle effect of this natural foods and 00:18:42.309 --> 00:18:43.880 the parking kind 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:47.970 of you know overflowing into the street. So a lot of things 00:18:47.970 --> 00:18:49.160 this kind of area 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:53.529 acts as a as a mix to use and that's why this is was 00:18:53.529 --> 00:18:56.000 targeted as the section to 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.539 look at and restrict parking and make make things safer for 00:18:59.539 --> 00:19:00.480 residents. This 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.809 segment is completely most of the times completely parked. 00:19:04.809 --> 00:19:06.160 There's barely any 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:10.140 space to for vehicles to pass especially if you're 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:12.000 traveling either direction and 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.960 you come across each other one vehicle has to pull over 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:16.039 close to the curb. 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:22.640 The curb to curb width here is 29 feet. Fire lane typically 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:23.720 , fire department 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:30.019 requires 20 feet clear which only leaves 9 feet. If we park 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:31.400 on one side that 9 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.599 feet is enough but there's not it's not enough to park on 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:35.920 even on both sides and 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.960 that's what's happening. They're using both sides to park 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:40.279 vehicles. These 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:45.819 businesses that business and some other you know resident 00:19:45.819 --> 00:19:47.680 home businesses have 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:53.339 really kind of used up all the parking and that's why we 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:55.359 looked at this parking 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.220 lot. This is a city-owned Chamber of Commerce parking lot 00:19:58.220 --> 00:19:59.119 that serves this 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:04.299 building. This can be used as an overflow parking area and 00:20:04.299 --> 00:20:06.319 there's parking up and 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:09.920 down in Bolivar. So it's not that there's no parking 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.319 available next to this 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:16.019 and that's why based on the width of the street the fire 00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:18.720 lane requirements fire 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.849 lane requires at least 32 feet to allow parking on both 00:20:23.849 --> 00:20:27.599 sides 26 to allow 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:31.200 parking on one side. So we're between that range of 26 and 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.279 32 feet and that's 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:38.039 why staff recommended that parking be restricted on one 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:40.880 side. Here I said the 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.430 south side primarily because there's a huge vacant space. 00:20:44.430 --> 00:20:45.119 There are some 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.660 commercial here and there's a parking lot here so the 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:50.279 impact would be minimal 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.730 for residents that want to park and I think that's that's 00:20:54.730 --> 00:20:56.119 the recommended 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:02.210 option is restrict parking one side for all the fall about 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:03.960 reasons. Any questions? 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.279 Did you is there a difference between the number of 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:09.160 available parking spots on 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:14.470 the north versus the south? I think it's fairly the same 00:21:14.470 --> 00:21:15.960 there there are a lot 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:20.289 more driveway openings on the south side so there are 00:21:20.289 --> 00:21:21.279 lesser spaces on the south 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.900 side. Okay and the driveway openings are wider that means 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:26.119 you know even if you 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.230 have like a one residential car entrance is much smaller 00:21:29.230 --> 00:21:31.319 than that so you would 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:36.019 be losing lesser space if you restrict parking on the south 00:21:36.019 --> 00:21:37.759 side. How many spots 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.759 are left then if we park on the south side? If we restrict 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.279 parking on the south 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:47.609 side? No you're proposing currently restricting parking on 00:21:47.609 --> 00:21:48.339 the north side 00:21:48.339 --> 00:21:52.960 right? On the south side? Correct. Okay. 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:01.799 We can measure I can give you. 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.440 You're counting? Yeah I'm counting. 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:38.640 No there's a speaking card that you need to fill out. 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.640 Okay. 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:55.960 I would say there are about anywhere between 15 to 20 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.359 spaces on the south 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.000 side but if you look at this parking lot this is fairly 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.519 empty and can easily 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.869 accommodate the 15 to 20 and there is parking on Bolliver 00:23:07.869 --> 00:23:09.680 so. Do all the houses 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:13.599 have off-street parking? Yes all of them have driveways 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:15.440 that go in there this is 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.650 a big area in the back that has parking these driveways 00:23:18.650 --> 00:23:20.240 that are brand new and 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:29.720 they have garages I believe. Most of them are quite long. 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.250 No parking on the south side. We want to minimize the 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:41.119 impact of you know taking 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.819 away spaces but at the same time we want to be safe and if 00:23:43.819 --> 00:23:44.640 you look at this 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.039 there's one car right there how would you fit three more 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:49.359 cars on either side 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:58.039 that's the whole argument here. Right now? On Bolliver? I 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:00.119 think Bolliver is on one 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.359 side. 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:19.349 Wow. I think it's restricted to one side. It is one side 00:24:19.349 --> 00:24:21.160 parking. Right up 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:25.319 against seven mile but if you're going north on Bolliver 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:26.920 then you can park on 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.160 both sides. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:49.400 Okay does anybody else have any questions real quick? Yeah 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:49.799 we're grabbing 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:58.480 some cards. Oh okay we can find some more. Yeah okay so we 00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:59.559 have some cards then 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.730 and with people some questions and comments so I would like 00:25:02.730 --> 00:25:03.519 to start with 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:09.420 Abby Buford and you have a question about the parking lot 00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:11.119 access and so if 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.259 you would please would you go up to the podium and state 00:25:15.259 --> 00:25:16.720 your name and your 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:25.279 address. Hello my name is Abby Buford 311 West 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:30.369 Congress we work for seven mile. The idea of restricting 00:25:30.369 --> 00:25:31.960 the south side access 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:34.880 makes sense to us I guess our question is would we then 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:35.839 have access to the 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:40.670 parking lot down the street? The Chamber of Commerce 00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:42.940 parking lot? Because I would 00:25:42.940 --> 00:25:45.190 say it's most of our customers that take up that street and 00:25:45.190 --> 00:25:45.980 it's not the cup 00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:49.319 or it's not right whatever yoga place is or isn't there. 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.880 Right right and I think 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.910 that's what Preeten was saying that the Chamber of Commerce 00:25:55.910 --> 00:25:57.440 parking lot since it 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:02.839 is part of a city you know right a cooperative yeah you 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:03.359 should have access 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.299 to that. I never knew that was a free public parking kind 00:26:07.299 --> 00:26:10.000 of place. The south side of it sounds good. Is it marked as 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.970 public right now? It is not marked. Can we mark it as 00:26:13.970 --> 00:26:15.359 public? 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.279 Not marked? We know we can talk to the Chamber of Commerce 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:20.640 and see what can be done but 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:24.339 that's definitely an option. Okay we are against the north 00:26:24.339 --> 00:26:25.480 side being closed off 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:31.599 so but south side sounds reasonable. Okay thank you and I'm 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:32.920 putting by the way Kim 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.279 and I'm putting your agenda number on here so and Abby I'm 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:38.880 putting your agenda 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:43.920 item on here also so we just keep you recorded. Okay I have 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:44.680 another card to 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:51.190 speak from Chuck Carpenter and if you would please go ahead 00:26:51.190 --> 00:26:51.920 grab the podium 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.079 state your name and address please. 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.200 Charles Carpenter residential address is 1112 Pennsylvania 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.759 but I'm the owner of 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.589 the property in question that parking lot is like private 00:27:08.589 --> 00:27:10.119 parking lot. We have a 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:14.619 sign that designates it as such. I was interested who told 00:27:14.619 --> 00:27:15.559 you that was 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:22.599 available to the public? Really? Yeah not that they we 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:23.720 wouldn't be but we're in the 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:28.049 meeting business and that parking lot is full a lot of the 00:27:28.049 --> 00:27:29.559 time and I would love 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:34.000 to accommodate our neighbors at the end and we do. Part of 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.440 the problem is we get 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:42.529 a lot of people that aren't necessarily commercial oriented 00:27:42.529 --> 00:27:44.880 and I only have so 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:49.069 much money to maintain that lot and so the other issue that 00:27:49.069 --> 00:27:53.880 we run into is the 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.460 problem on the north side is that apartment complex has 00:27:57.460 --> 00:27:58.880 their trash pickup 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.960 right there and it's very difficult for them to pull a 00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:03.240 truck up and pick it up 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.369 from the side. Also from that standpoint very rarely at any 00:28:07.369 --> 00:28:08.319 time during the day 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.859 can we make a left-hand turn out of our own parking lot so 00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:14.319 my issue is I'm very 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.549 supportive thank you for even considering it. I wouldn't 00:28:17.549 --> 00:28:18.240 say that we 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.460 wouldn't be amenable to public parking but that is a 00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:22.740 private lot and there's a 00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:28.269 very large sign that states that on our fence so I would 00:28:28.269 --> 00:28:29.700 leave it we would like 00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:32.880 to be good neighbors just for the standpoint that this is 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:33.880 important to us 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.430 but please correct the record that is a privately owned 00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:38.700 paid for by the Ditton 00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:44.660 Chamber of Commerce. Anyone have any questions? Is it 00:28:44.660 --> 00:28:45.359 developing more commercial? 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:51.960 Is it developing more commercial along there? Not that I'm 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.160 aware of most of he 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:58.180 explained it very well it's a lot of multifamily our lot we 00:28:58.180 --> 00:28:59.920 have 28 spaces in 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:03.460 there some of you that been long around long enough 00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:04.359 remember that building was 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.460 actually up on stilts took my covered parking and when we 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:09.759 filled in the lower 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.940 space we had to move everything across the lot and so we 00:29:13.940 --> 00:29:16.559 only have ten spaces 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.099 and we have to give those to visitors and guests coming in 00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:21.160 so any of my 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:28.880 committees my staff has to use that lot so to just openly 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.480 say it's it's a public 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:36.799 lot would that would be difficult to sustain don't take it 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:37.880 that we're not 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.859 willing but I was very shocked at that statement I wonder 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:42.599 who you spoke with 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:49.109 yeah and they were said it's open to public so I can reconf 00:29:49.109 --> 00:29:50.319 irm my sources but 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.920 well it's open to the public but not because we know it 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.119 gets open to all 00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.759 kinds of use I have a usual Monday morning cleanup that 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:00.400 amounts to a whole 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.130 lot of different things we happy to respond to you and 00:30:04.130 --> 00:30:05.279 thank you for even 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:11.960 considering all right thank you I have a card from Gary 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.680 Steinmetz and also Chuck 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:20.799 I'm putting C on yours just so we can keep our record 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.160 straight 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:30.930 hi hi if you would please state your name and your address 00:30:30.930 --> 00:30:32.400 for the record 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.559 and we need to speak strongly in support of the fact it 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:52.759 needs to be no parking on the 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:58.039 street I we're retired we're on the street every day you 00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.440 know and it's been 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.829 an ongoing maintenance problem from the very beginning you 00:31:02.829 --> 00:31:04.559 know not only picking 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:10.220 up a broken tail of broken lights broken glass you know the 00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:11.519 the the fact that 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.660 there has been a major injury on the street from from 00:31:14.660 --> 00:31:16.039 running on the street 00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:20.019 and having to do the sidewalk that was one of the reasons 00:31:20.019 --> 00:31:20.440 that the entire 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:25.609 section of Congress Street was redone with new with new 00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:26.079 pavements their new 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.180 sidewalks because there was a really bad act in a young 00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:31.640 lady you know they were 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:36.240 very old and a young lady caught a curb and hit the ground 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.440 and we immediately 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.759 went out for under days to her and called an ambulance it 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:40.440 was hard for the 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:46.549 ambulance to get to her the fact is that there is an I 00:31:46.549 --> 00:31:48.000 understand there is an 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.700 easy answer for who gets the parking on their side it's 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:54.279 just not a good answer 00:31:54.279 --> 00:32:00.369 for either side this street has bicycles this street has 00:32:00.369 --> 00:32:02.759 bicycles that continually 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.869 travel up and down the street including small children yes 00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:06.720 they do have the 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:11.269 right to ride on and the on the sidewalk in this in our 00:32:11.269 --> 00:32:14.160 community but it is not 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:18.250 not without their right to be able to be on the street we 00:32:18.250 --> 00:32:20.079 have a joggers that come 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.490 from the college frequently we have joggers and students 00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:25.759 that we walk to the 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:32.059 library on the street the continued evidence of a parking 00:32:32.059 --> 00:32:32.920 on both sides of 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.400 the street endangers any anybody that's made a wrong 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.119 decision momentarily either 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.539 whether it's a turn signal into the parking lot or or 00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:44.000 whatever you know it 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:48.089 endangers the the flow of students it endangers the flow of 00:32:48.089 --> 00:32:49.720 pedestrians and it 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.880 certainly has become such an inconvenience to be picking up 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:53.359 people's 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:02.069 mirrors I picked up two cars hit on my property and on a 00:33:02.069 --> 00:33:02.480 daily basis I go 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.180 outside and pick up the glass which is subdued and try and 00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:08.680 reattach parts to 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.500 the cars that are parked to my neighbors and I and and it 00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:13.759 and it's not convenient 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.880 for me either I'm not doing this because I don't have 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.200 people that come to our 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:23.869 house well my wife has you know she's currently under in- 00:33:23.869 --> 00:33:25.279 home health care so 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.880 they got to find someplace to park that's their problem 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:28.640 their job is to 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.900 come to our house my job is to make sure that it's safe for 00:33:31.900 --> 00:33:33.079 my wife to have an 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.710 ambulance and a fire truck to come down my street currently 00:33:36.710 --> 00:33:38.079 as of today they 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:42.779 have found a water leak underneath and brand new asphalt 00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:44.359 and and and I didn't 00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.140 bring pictures of it but we're staked out and we have you 00:33:47.140 --> 00:33:48.039 know half of the 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.759 street now closed and it's going to be under construction 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:51.680 for the next several 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.319 days which means that those that think they can park there 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.160 I don't belong on 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.180 the street are going to be wondering where to go the place 00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:00.000 to go is in the 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.650 parking lot for the people and their homes and for the 00:34:03.650 --> 00:34:05.119 business across the 00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.800 street and for the people next door to me these are these 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:10.119 this is a residential 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.659 area this is not a Boulevard this is not a wide street you 00:34:13.659 --> 00:34:15.679 can't put cars on both 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.860 sides and be fair to the residents and on the street it 00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:21.800 needs to be very simply 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:23.920 no parking on the street there's we have plenty of 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:25.119 residents have plenty of 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.760 parking for their own the house across the property across 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:29.360 the street from 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.789 a zone by mr. Burkett and Adam you know he's got a nice big 00:34:33.789 --> 00:34:35.320 piece of property 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.159 you want to you want to put in a public parking lot he's 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.679 done his his land is 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.500 underneath the flood zone he would probably be more than 00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:43.239 happy to sell a 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.360 piece of that put in a little public park pop parking in 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:47.000 the center of the 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.949 street great we do not need parking on the street it's just 00:34:50.949 --> 00:34:51.820 too dangerous for 00:34:51.820 --> 00:34:57.039 bicycles oh another issue every year we're on the parade 00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:58.320 route and I love it 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.659 I get to use my garden hose and hose the mayor every year 00:35:01.659 --> 00:35:03.159 it's great and I do a 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.699 great job of it I got my garden hose and I wash cars you 00:35:06.699 --> 00:35:07.880 know and they throw 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.630 candy very well at me okay and and so we have the parade 00:35:11.630 --> 00:35:12.480 that comes down our 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.480 street okay we've hit we've hit the three-minute mark here 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.760 but we hit your 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.460 three-minute mark here but can I ask you how do you feel 00:35:21.460 --> 00:35:23.119 about parking on one 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.860 side unacceptable unacceptable it still is not wide enough 00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:29.119 for the traffic flow 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.449 that we get with buses with with with the delivery trucks 00:35:33.449 --> 00:35:34.800 that come for the 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:39.130 for the restaurants we have we have had wires pulled down 00:35:39.130 --> 00:35:40.119 we've had branches 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.380 pulled down there is you know it's already it's already 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:44.519 rated for the fact 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.320 that we have semis that come up and down the street I've 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:49.679 picked up dead dogs I 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.320 picked up dead squirrels you know I picked up broken glass 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:54.159 this needs to be 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.309 a no parking streets for the safety of the people on the 00:35:57.309 --> 00:35:58.199 street and the 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.909 community at large especially with the fact that there's a 00:36:00.909 --> 00:36:01.800 school right down 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:08.719 the street you want to have any questions for mr. Steinmetz 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.519 and I had 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.190 the favorite I had you know I don't have written approval 00:36:13.190 --> 00:36:14.480 of the three residents 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.630 that that I've contacted to live on the street but they 00:36:17.630 --> 00:36:19.400 agree and it's just been 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.949 I actually had a friend of mine hit a friend of mine it's 00:36:22.949 --> 00:36:24.079 not fun you know 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:28.110 it's a good way to lose friends you know she hit her we 00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:29.599 know both of them we're 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.670 the common denominator and I'm tired of being that you know 00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:33.559 the set guy that 00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:35.690 says well I'm really sorry about my street it's really 00:36:35.690 --> 00:36:36.320 dangerous you 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.250 shouldn't come and see me wrong you should be able to come 00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:41.320 see me I certainly 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.719 appreciate your time I'm strongly support that this is a no 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:45.840 parking street 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.429 with bicycles on both sides this is a definitely a bicycle 00:36:49.429 --> 00:36:50.639 community we have 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.480 the bicycles already at large on it on that at the cupboard 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:56.400 and at the the 00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.219 coffee shop regularly you know I highly recommend this is a 00:37:01.219 --> 00:37:02.760 no parking zone it 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.079 would be the best for those the residents and and the 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:07.039 parking could be 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:13.849 available for mr. Burkett okay well thank you thank you 00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:15.679 very much 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:21.429 and I have another card from Josie Klingman Klingman Kling 00:37:21.429 --> 00:37:23.639 er okay if you 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.320 would please you can go up to the podium and again you know 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:26.840 state your name 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.840 address 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:36.570 hi everybody my name is Josie Klingle my husband and I own 00:37:36.570 --> 00:37:39.199 seven mile cafe at 311 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:46.469 West Congress Street and we understand parking's tough 00:37:46.469 --> 00:37:48.079 there especially on the 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:52.780 weekends when there's cars on both sides and we're not 00:37:52.780 --> 00:37:53.840 opposed to 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.539 restricting parking but we would like it to be just on one 00:37:58.539 --> 00:38:00.360 side we do have a lot 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.519 of customers that come to see us that they do have trouble 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.360 parking our lot is 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:13.050 about 27 spaces we park on Bolivar we do not park in the 00:38:13.050 --> 00:38:13.679 covered parking lot 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.380 we're not allowed to park there we are open just from 8 a.m 00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:20.039 . to 2 and then to 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.280 3 on the weekends if there is a way to maybe you know ease 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.519 up the restrictions 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.340 from our business hours just you know during the day you 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:29.280 know we would be up 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.900 for that that would be very helpful for us it's just you 00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:33.239 know we're really 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.480 trying to make that part of town a part of town where 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.360 people could come they 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.630 could eat they could shop at the cupboard you know get 00:38:40.630 --> 00:38:41.320 their massage 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.440 across the street at the day spa or go to the glass you 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.119 know spot and you know 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.719 be able to park near the business not being able to park 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:51.199 near our business it 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.360 it definitely slows down and hurts our business we saw it 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:55.960 when Congress and 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.650 Bolivar were closed down during construction our business 00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:00.599 went way down 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.550 when people couldn't just park in front even in our parking 00:39:03.550 --> 00:39:04.480 lot and just walk 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.570 right in so we understand it's it's it's tight and we want 00:39:08.570 --> 00:39:10.079 emergency vehicles to 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.239 be able to get in and we we feel that there be enough room 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:15.440 if we limited 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.530 parking to the one side and not both it would be really 00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:20.840 hard on our business 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:27.559 there for sure you won't have any questions for Josie 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.710 I don't know the traffic rules I'm leaving that up to the 00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:36.199 people who 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:40.710 understand that better than me I I would think the south 00:39:40.710 --> 00:39:42.559 side because that way 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.039 our customers don't have to walk across the street to get 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:45.800 to our business 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.789 there's less business on the north side I believe that 00:39:50.789 --> 00:39:52.880 people aren't really 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.159 walking to you so I wouldn't want them to park on the south 00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:55.880 side and have to 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.480 walk across the street over there I don't see that 00:39:58.480 --> 00:39:59.960 pedestrian traffic going 00:39:59.960 --> 00:40:04.659 that way I don't know how many spots are on each side and 00:40:04.659 --> 00:40:05.599 what's what's better 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:09.929 that way how many driveways there are or anything like that 00:40:09.929 --> 00:40:12.239 I I would vote for 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.800 Southside parking 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:28.519 I understand that residents all have driveways as well 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.119 correct and our our parking is really mainly from 8 to 3 I 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.829 believe most residents may or may not be at work during 00:40:35.829 --> 00:40:38.679 that time I don't know how much resident parking is on the 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.639 street during business hours 00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:51.210 that's okay okay anybody on the Commission have a question 00:40:51.210 --> 00:40:52.559 okay thank you 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.769 thank you and I have another card for Jasmine Foster from 00:40:57.769 --> 00:41:05.480 Jasmine Foster and 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.320 if you again state your name please and your address my 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:09.960 name is Jasmine Foster I 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.650 stay my residential address is 603 Bolivar Street apartment 00:41:13.650 --> 00:41:15.119 a on the map it's 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.119 actually 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:36.400 did you mean both sides of Oliver because there is actually 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.840 a there is a sign that 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.389 says no parking on the west side of the street correct I 00:41:42.389 --> 00:41:43.360 think some portion of 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.239 Bolivar has only one side parking just given the width of B 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:47.139 ollywood I think if 00:41:47.139 --> 00:41:51.960 you further go north yeah once you get past I want to say 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.159 it's Egan is this 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.239 next lock up is that's what that one you can park but on 00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:58.960 this side you can't and 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.739 like like you said I think y'all's hours are 8 to 2 and 8 00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:03.440 to 3 on the weekends I 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:07.789 know for sure like if I leave and I come back I can't park 00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:12.639 anywhere so me parking 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:31.539 and so I feel that if y'all do restrict it find somewhere 00:42:31.539 --> 00:42:32.880 for the people to go 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.699 to the businesses to park so that I can still park to get 00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:36.880 to my house because 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.699 where I park is literally my car is parallel perpendicular 00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:41.760 to the drivers I 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.550 can literally get out of my car and walk straight down the 00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:44.280 driveway to my front 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:48.610 door if people parking for the cupboard park there seven 00:42:48.610 --> 00:42:50.119 mile cafe or anywhere 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.670 else park there I have to walk further to get home but then 00:42:53.670 --> 00:42:54.599 I can't see my car 00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:58.750 so if somebody breaks in my car what can I do you know and 00:42:58.750 --> 00:42:59.679 I use that car to take 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.849 her to school take myself to school take myself to work if 00:43:02.849 --> 00:43:03.800 I can't get to my 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.889 house because somebody else's parked there because where 00:43:05.889 --> 00:43:06.679 they normally park 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.019 is restricted it's a problem for me and I know their hours 00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:10.760 are early so that's 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:14.300 not really a issue for me I think it's more just people 00:43:14.300 --> 00:43:15.840 parking there because 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.510 it's close to where they're going and not thinking oh well 00:43:18.510 --> 00:43:19.599 somebody else parks 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:24.179 here to go home so I just think that's a and something to 00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:25.320 think about when you 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.369 restrict the parking because me and my neighbor actually 00:43:28.369 --> 00:43:29.519 parked there and she 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.070 has two cars so when she's gone in her little cars there it 00:43:33.070 --> 00:43:34.000 's like okay where 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.840 am I truck gonna go you know so just I guess thinking of 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.519 the other people who 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.889 do live on the residential side of Bolivar because there is 00:43:42.889 --> 00:43:43.519 a driveway 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.280 behind the house on the corner but that driveway is for 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.480 that house and I don't 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:49.579 know how many people park in front of it but I know coming 00:43:49.579 --> 00:43:50.920 down Congress I've had 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.000 you know where you go down the street and kind of weave 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:53.760 behind a car for 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:55.699 somebody to come down the street and come back but then you 00:43:55.699 --> 00:43:56.320 have the people 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.929 trying to move out of their parking spot so it's just a lot 00:43:58.929 --> 00:44:00.000 of congestion and I'm 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.539 kind of with them about restricting the whole street just 00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:04.719 to give everybody 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.710 clear vision to get to where they're going and like how he 00:44:07.710 --> 00:44:08.599 said he can't turn 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.440 left on his street out of his parking lot for his business 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:12.320 if there was no 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.789 parking he probably wouldn't have that problem so I think 00:44:14.789 --> 00:44:16.559 if it's restricted 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.539 that would be good just designate parking for the 00:44:20.539 --> 00:44:21.480 businesses so that 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:26.039 they're not taking up everybody else's spots for their for 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.079 their place thank 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:35.920 you and I have one more card from Arlene Hill for your 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.559 agenda D item D okay is 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:49.559 there anybody else who'd which to speak on item C any 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:59.480 discussion oh I was just 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:07.269 asking the Commission whether anybody had discussion so our 00:45:07.269 --> 00:45:09.440 choices include 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.469 give us our choices again Pritam yeah the choices is 00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:13.960 recommend approval of the 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:19.360 ordinance so recommend it or request it to council to 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.820 accept the ordinance so 00:45:21.820 --> 00:45:25.039 that's the first thing for restricting parking on one side 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.260 and define the side 00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:32.349 wouldn't that that would be and then decline the 00:45:32.349 --> 00:45:33.280 recommendation of no 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:43.440 parking option one or two okay 00:45:48.360 --> 00:46:00.599 item C okay go ahead I actually work at seven mile cafe I'm 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:01.559 when I'm assistant 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.440 manager there and I am all for safety I do want my business 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:08.800 or our business to 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.389 still do well and I have worked there during the period of 00:46:12.389 --> 00:46:14.059 time that Congress 00:46:14.059 --> 00:46:20.679 wasn't open so I experienced the lack of business but 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.440 possibly I was gonna say I 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:26.030 know that your parking lot wasn't or you don't want it 00:46:26.030 --> 00:46:27.679 completely public but 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:31.230 maybe employees only being able to park there on the 00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:32.920 weekends would maybe help 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.250 with the congestion because we have a lot of employees and 00:46:37.250 --> 00:46:38.199 we have to get 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:43.239 there and park so I don't know just trying to like bring up 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:44.440 some sort of 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.880 solution to this problem I completely understand but how 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:50.280 many how many plays 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.980 there on the weekend we were trying to like estimate I 00:46:54.980 --> 00:46:58.440 would I mean yes but not 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:03.619 everybody drives and if we can't I don't know when the 00:47:03.619 --> 00:47:05.840 chambers of Congress meets 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.659 and when y'all have your meetings are really it's only on 00:47:08.659 --> 00:47:09.760 the weekends that we 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.110 have 20 or more on the weekdays we have like eight people 00:47:13.110 --> 00:47:15.039 up front maybe eight 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:22.010 people in in back and a lot of us walk or bike whatever but 00:47:22.010 --> 00:47:23.159 it's more for the 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.860 weekend that we have the worst time with the congestion and 00:47:27.860 --> 00:47:32.079 whatnot so yeah 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:37.559 okay thank you okay well it sounds like we've got a couple 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:38.800 things going on and 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.980 one thing that we need to learn is more about the 00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:45.760 accessibility of the Chamber 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:54.320 of Commerce parking lot okay so do we want to move forward 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.199 with this without 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.809 knowing the status of the parking lot or do we want to 00:48:00.809 --> 00:48:02.280 again hold this over 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.039 for our next meeting 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.000 it seems to me like that's more of an issue between seven 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.679 mile and the 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.940 Chamber of Commerce to work out the Chamber of Commerce 00:48:22.940 --> 00:48:24.159 wants to be a good 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.800 neighbor then you know maybe they can have a conversation 00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:28.960 outside of this 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:33.940 Commission I think our concern is more if somebody at the 00:48:33.940 --> 00:48:34.599 Chamber of Commerce 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.000 or a seven mile cafe have a medical emergency can an 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.159 ambulance get to them 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.360 that that should be our first concern 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:48.920 I'm ready to make a motion that we accept the staff 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.960 recommendation I'll 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:56.320 second time okay we have a motion to accept staff 00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:57.400 recommendation we have a 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:07.199 second voting in favor aye aye okay it will move on to City 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:12.159 Council okay 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.710 item number D which is to receive a report hold a 00:49:15.710 --> 00:49:17.400 discussion to make room 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.239 recommendation to City Council to establish a new school 00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:22.559 speed zone along 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.130 Lakeview Boulevard between Black Walnut and Burr Oak Lane 00:49:27.130 --> 00:49:28.599 this is affecting 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.679 Pecan Creek Elementary School 00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:50.769 okay let me get the bearings right here and go to the 00:49:50.769 --> 00:49:55.760 location the concrete 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.170 elementary it's way down there on the south side of the 00:49:59.170 --> 00:50:04.079 city and they if you 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.809 don't know where exactly it's located and what kind of 00:50:07.809 --> 00:50:09.239 access it has I 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:17.199 don't know why it's doing this so it has two access points 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:19.360 one on Lakeview 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:24.119 Boulevard and that was when the school was designed that 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.880 was supposed to be the 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.289 main access and the main ingress egress there's a great 00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:32.320 drop-off area that was 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.670 designed when the school was first constructed what 00:50:37.670 --> 00:50:38.880 happened eventually is 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:44.250 instead of this area in front of the school and this area 00:50:44.250 --> 00:50:46.199 developing faster 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:49.880 the area in the back started developing much more quicker 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:51.519 as a result pocket 00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.349 page became a main entrance for the school and there are 00:50:55.349 --> 00:50:56.679 certain sections 00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.969 that we have school zone along pockets pages so that kids 00:50:59.969 --> 00:51:03.599 can across and there 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.719 was no school zone along Lakeview Boulevard even though it 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:08.719 's a divided to 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.400 lane right in front of the school and the reason being 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:14.199 there historically there 00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:18.219 was no sidewalk connection on this side of the street and 00:51:18.219 --> 00:51:20.280 as you went further 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.230 and further this neighborhood could easily cross across and 00:51:24.230 --> 00:51:25.000 get into the 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.130 sidewalk and get to the school so there was no need or 00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:31.039 there were no students 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.630 pedestrians crossing from this side there was no access it 00:51:34.630 --> 00:51:35.599 's a creek area 00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:40.690 that's completely green built now what has happened in the 00:51:40.690 --> 00:51:42.079 recent past in the 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:47.800 past six to eight months this area has started developing 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:48.920 this subdivision came 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:53.210 in they went through the planning process and now they have 00:51:53.210 --> 00:51:54.199 a connection 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.599 here the houses are currently getting built most likely 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.760 start occupying early 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:04.500 next year and starting next school year a bunch of these 00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:05.519 kids would be walking 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.849 down this sidewalk there's a brand new sidewalk now on this 00:52:09.849 --> 00:52:11.320 side of Lakeview 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.329 Boulevard and it goes all the way and connects to this 00:52:15.329 --> 00:52:17.159 recreational area for 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.360 for the HOA up there as a result of that sidewalk a lot of 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.440 kids from the northern 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:29.139 side this area will start using that particular sidewalk 00:52:29.139 --> 00:52:30.119 also to come down 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:37.440 that side of the street so given the new development and 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.960 and the existing 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.829 development here on this side it is it's forecasted that a 00:52:45.829 --> 00:52:46.719 lot of kids are gonna 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:52.119 start coming down this side on this side of the sidewalk so 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.239 the PTA has been 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.079 trying to get a school zone for years and they haven't been 00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:59.679 successful but 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:04.650 given this all these new changes going on at this time it 00:53:04.650 --> 00:53:06.360 is it seems like this 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.570 is a good time to get a school zone in this area we've 00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:11.320 conducted a speed survey 00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:16.019 particularly along Lakeview Boulevard right around this 00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:18.119 area and what we found 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:22.679 as both directions the 85th percentile majority of the 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:24.199 people are above 30 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:29.739 miles an hour so they're doing 34 35 miles an hour and if 00:53:29.739 --> 00:53:31.159 that continues 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:34.219 happening during the school year especially when kids are 00:53:34.219 --> 00:53:34.960 trying to get 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.519 across the street and there is a nice crossing right about 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.719 here so this is a 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:44.679 nice crossing to get to the other side I've already met 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:46.119 with the principal we 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.239 have talked about how they're gonna change this how a 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.400 crossing that could be 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:55.170 posted here and how their circulation would work if kids 00:53:55.170 --> 00:53:56.559 get on this side and 00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.780 how they would get into the school so we've talked about 00:53:59.780 --> 00:54:00.920 all that and at this 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:06.079 point based on all the changes and all the new demand for 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.559 pedestrian access a 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.949 school zone is recommended starting right about here which 00:54:10.949 --> 00:54:11.880 is a few hundred 00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:17.969 feet south of this is Burr Oaks I believe right about here 00:54:17.969 --> 00:54:18.840 all the way back 00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:23.539 to Black Walnut so this area people will be forced to drive 00:54:23.539 --> 00:54:25.679 slower during the 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.960 school hours definitely and we will install and enforce the 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:31.559 school speed 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.300 zone along this so the staff recommends we implement this 00:54:35.300 --> 00:54:36.239 so that next year 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.280 we're ready if it goes through if it has to go through 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.760 council we have to order 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.679 equipment installation and all that so we think that we 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:46.199 need to get this ball 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:52.050 rolling and then by the start of next school year we have 00:54:52.050 --> 00:54:54.199 everything in place 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:59.119 so will there be crosswalks correct there is already a 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:00.960 crossing ADA compliant 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.199 crossing area right about here which was designed for this 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.960 particular reason this 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.829 is a ramp that goes in and there is a so this will be 00:55:11.829 --> 00:55:13.360 completely striped as a 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:18.099 crosswalk with pedestrian signage crossing guards and then 00:55:18.099 --> 00:55:19.400 the school zone 00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.389 would start somewhere back here that would slow down 00:55:22.389 --> 00:55:24.039 traffic about a year ago 00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:27.369 what was that change we made about a year ago here in the 00:55:27.369 --> 00:55:29.719 same area yeah 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:36.039 along Lakeview I thought it was along I think we did back 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:37.800 here where we shifted 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.559 the crossing for pedestrians to the originally the crossing 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:43.719 was located at 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:49.119 this intersection oops wrong location but originally the 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.039 crossing was located 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:53.099 at this intersection with the development stopped now the 00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:53.679 development 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:58.199 has moved further and I believe the crossing has moved here 00:55:58.199 --> 00:55:59.239 now eventually 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.840 we'll get to post oak so I think this this was the change 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:02.719 that was done for 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.469 this particular school I'm not aware of anything that was 00:56:07.469 --> 00:56:10.880 done on Lakeview so 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.420 indicate again where you plan to begin the school zone on 00:56:14.420 --> 00:56:16.159 the north on the 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.840 north it is right about where it starts dividing into it's 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:27.159 a few hundred feet 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:39.440 300 feet so let's see there's 300 feet of school zone oh it 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:40.480 starts 300 feet 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.079 yes it starts about there right where the market is and 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:45.800 then it starts here 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.670 goes all the way down to black walnut what's the speed zone 00:56:50.670 --> 00:56:52.079 on Lakeview until 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.230 that point the speed on the posted speed limit is 30 and 00:56:57.230 --> 00:57:00.920 people are doing 34 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:09.719 it will go down to 20 during the school hours correct 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.599 there will be yes blinking lights that turn on and notify 00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:24.039 this is the time when 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:31.760 the speed is enforced it'd be morning peak between 7 and 7 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:33.239 30 or 8 30 something 00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:35.840 like that depending on I think each school is slightly 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:36.760 different but we'll 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:44.690 have some timings there and you calculated that spot based 00:57:44.690 --> 00:57:45.920 upon the 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:51.019 crosswalk yes the ADA crosswalk basically what is happening 00:57:51.019 --> 00:57:51.920 is right 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:58.880 after this divided area when they hit the single lane 00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.480 people tend to slow down 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.019 so this area is where they tend to slow down there is going 00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:05.119 to be a brand new 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:09.619 access here and an intersection so people are driving at a 00:58:09.619 --> 00:58:11.039 slower speed as 00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:15.539 opposed to this divided area there's yeah they're actually 00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:17.000 doing much faster 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:21.329 in this so once they go get past the divided area they kind 00:58:21.329 --> 00:58:22.159 of slow down 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.980 automatically so we don't necessarily need to extend it all 00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:27.840 the way back no I 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.880 was thinking about the the breadth of it because I'm 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:32.519 concerned of course about 00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:37.219 the equity of school zones across Denton ISD and not our 00:58:37.219 --> 00:58:39.199 school zones are 20 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.800 miles an hour are not necessarily equitable in all 00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.360 neighborhoods so that's 00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:50.449 something that I would watch for okay anybody else have any 00:58:50.449 --> 00:58:53.400 questions I have 00:58:53.400 --> 00:59:00.010 one card so finally Arlene Hill and if you would please go 00:59:00.010 --> 00:59:01.239 up to the podium 00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.079 state your name and address 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:13.809 good evening chair person members my name is Adrian Hill 00:59:13.809 --> 00:59:15.159 and I am a student 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.139 at Texas Women's University graduate student in family 00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:20.400 matters and policy 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:26.760 this is my assignment to since I'm working as a teacher 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.079 well not right now 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:32.199 but going back into them working on another degree so we 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:33.440 were concerned 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:39.210 about the policies of this or the parents did this do they 00:59:39.210 --> 00:59:40.159 have any 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:47.159 accidents in the area were there any children with fear 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:48.480 because of the 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:54.469 walking or bicycle riding or did they have any fear of the 00:59:54.469 --> 00:59:56.039 car speeding and 00:59:56.039 --> 01:00:03.760 they're not having any hesitancy well they did have hesit 01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:04.480 ancy they didn't 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:09.590 have any hesitancy about crossing the street so can answer 01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:11.400 that okay so what 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:14.940 it was for years they did have an issue with the speeding 01:00:14.940 --> 01:00:17.079 and they were there 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.400 they were hesitant to send their kids even on bikes on 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:21.960 sidewalks and walking 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:26.059 due to the speed of the divide up in the divided area where 01:00:26.059 --> 01:00:27.519 Lakeview is divided 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:32.219 completely that area was the scary part as far as speeding 01:00:32.219 --> 01:00:33.760 vehicles the other 01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:37.579 issue was a lot of people were getting dropping their kids 01:00:37.579 --> 01:00:38.400 off with the 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.769 vehicles lined up early in the morning there was an issue 01:00:41.769 --> 01:00:43.079 with the conflict of 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.909 you know vehicles try and driving at 30 miles an hour 01:00:46.909 --> 01:00:48.400 coming to halt or getting 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:51.579 into the school dropping kids off and leaving at the same 01:00:51.579 --> 01:00:52.719 time pedestrians 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:57.809 walking in so in order to have a can more controlled 01:00:57.809 --> 01:01:00.400 controlled entrance and 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.219 exit that's why the parents were more want to move forward 01:01:05.219 --> 01:01:05.840 with the school 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:13.519 zone thank you so another question the policy would that be 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.159 coming from the 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:18.909 traffic and safety Commission and sending it forward to the 01:01:18.909 --> 01:01:19.800 City Council 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.039 for signature since you all are part of the legislative 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.199 body the traffic safety 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:28.750 Commission would make a recommendation and then that would 01:01:28.750 --> 01:01:29.760 go to City Council 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:35.530 to be heard and voted on by council that's it for me as an 01:01:35.530 --> 01:01:36.960 educator thank 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:42.809 you so much okay thank you is there anybody else who has 01:01:42.809 --> 01:01:44.320 who wants to speak 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.320 on this item 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:06.519 I mean I'm sure this one there there is a path there is 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:07.480 currently a path and a 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:14.480 gate on this side so a lot of kids actually use that yes 01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:15.719 yeah I talked to 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:18.130 the principal and she said you'll be amazed how many kids 01:02:18.130 --> 01:02:19.000 actually use that 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:30.239 path no that's the path 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:49.320 and actually there is a bike rack here and a back access 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:50.840 which is open for kids 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.980 it's it's all locked there's a gate here for the fence but 01:02:53.980 --> 01:02:55.119 this is open in the 01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:10.880 morning and kids can park here okay is there anything else 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.119 anybody have any 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:19.320 questions discussion motion I move to accept staff 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.239 recommendation okay okay 01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:26.760 there's been a motion there's a second everyone in favor 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.199 all right and they 01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:35.780 will move forward to City Council okay we are now on item E 01:03:35.780 --> 01:03:37.559 which is to receive 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.860 a report hold a discussion and make a recommendation to 01:03:40.860 --> 01:03:41.920 City Council for 01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:47.769 amending chapter 18 section 18 - 38 of the Code of Ordin 01:03:47.769 --> 01:03:50.039 ances use of wireless 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:54.000 communications while driving 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:18.619 good evening if you'll bear with me just saying here I'll 01:04:18.619 --> 01:04:20.320 bring up a couple of visual 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.039 aids to you 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.119 you 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:13.659 yeah somehow I'm missing one of my visual aids now here we 01:05:13.659 --> 01:05:15.000 go 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:21.510 okay good evening thank you for let me get on the agenda 01:05:21.510 --> 01:05:22.440 kind of at the last 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:29.090 minute and bring this to you today what I'm proposing is 01:05:29.090 --> 01:05:31.039 for you to recommend 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:37.360 consider making a recommendation to pass forward to the 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.000 council to approve an 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:43.329 amendment to the wireless ordinance while wireless use by 01:05:43.329 --> 01:05:47.079 drivers ordinance we 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:52.099 as you know you recommended the current ordinance which was 01:05:52.099 --> 01:05:53.760 passed in December 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:58.989 and then along came the 85th legislature of the state and 01:05:58.989 --> 01:06:01.519 House Bill 62 and they 01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:09.210 passed a statewide texting ban that preempted part of our 01:06:09.210 --> 01:06:11.079 existing ordinance 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:19.289 concerning the using the phone as a texting or messaging 01:06:19.289 --> 01:06:21.960 device so the City 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:25.659 Attorney's Office took a look at it and decided the best 01:06:25.659 --> 01:06:27.019 thing to do for us to 01:06:27.019 --> 01:06:31.199 keep intact the majority of our ordinance and laws in 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:32.519 addition to the 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:36.610 the state law that was just passed was to just to make an 01:06:36.610 --> 01:06:37.920 exception in the 01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:43.769 ordinance to make make it clear that it was not preempted 01:06:43.769 --> 01:06:45.079 or not addressed or 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.809 did not address the texting part so that it's not preempted 01:06:48.809 --> 01:06:50.960 by state law so that's 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:58.039 a it's a pretty simple fix and this section right here 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.000 which is I section 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:05.880 would be an addition to our existing ordinance as section I 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.400 just would state 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:14.050 that our ordinance is not not addressing anything to do 01:07:14.050 --> 01:07:17.159 with texting with wireless 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:22.909 devices or sending electronic messages and so the portion 01:07:22.909 --> 01:07:24.199 that our ordinance 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:29.309 that is then left behind to after the amendment is just 01:07:29.309 --> 01:07:30.960 simply the hand hands 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:34.909 free part which prohibits using the device as a cell phone 01:07:34.909 --> 01:07:35.880 while you're 01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:40.389 driving so with this one little addition or amendment to 01:07:40.389 --> 01:07:41.599 the ordinance and 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:58.019 plugging that in to the existing ordinance here at the 01:07:58.019 --> 01:08:01.280 bottom of this 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:12.860 section at the just right after H would satisfy we believe 01:08:12.860 --> 01:08:14.719 satisfy legally to 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:19.760 continue with our full ordinance in effect in addition to 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:21.279 the state law and 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:25.000 we would have the same coverage the same prohibitions as we 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.319 would have from the 01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:31.090 original concept of the ordinance that was passed on 01:08:31.090 --> 01:08:33.960 December 6th so what the 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:38.659 way we would enforce it is if officer wanted enforce a law 01:08:38.659 --> 01:08:40.560 regarding the use 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.920 of the device as texting they would write the ticket under 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:44.880 the state law if 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.430 they saw somebody using the cell phone as a phone and 01:08:48.430 --> 01:08:49.960 holding it in their hand 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:56.789 while driving then we would write the ticket under the 01:08:56.789 --> 01:08:59.600 ordinance so the only 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.520 other there's a there's a couple of other issues that may 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:03.359 come up in case 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:07.050 that you would have a question about it one is there's a 01:09:07.050 --> 01:09:08.640 difference in the 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:13.680 recommended fine amount the state law prescribes a $99 fine 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:14.800 for the texting 01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:20.449 violation our ordinance says up to $200 which is just the 01:09:20.449 --> 01:09:21.239 way we write all of 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:24.100 our ordinances to give the judge the latitude just put 01:09:24.100 --> 01:09:25.119 something in there but 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.970 he had his fine for that other part of our ordinance would 01:09:28.970 --> 01:09:31.439 be typically would 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.989 be the same as the state law texting part so it would it 01:09:34.989 --> 01:09:36.319 wouldn't create any 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:41.560 issues there so really that's about all I have and I'll be 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:42.520 glad to answer any 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:50.880 questions that you might have yes 01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:03.250 so under yeah it just it just states that basically we're 01:10:03.250 --> 01:10:05.520 not touching the 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:10.220 texting part or using it as a to read write or send 01:10:10.220 --> 01:10:12.960 electronic messages which 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:21.939 is the way the the state law is is worded we already in in 01:10:21.939 --> 01:10:23.159 the existing 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:28.590 ordinance we did that already just back to this one on H so 01:10:28.590 --> 01:10:30.000 H addresses a very 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:34.189 similar issue where there was already an existing state law 01:10:34.189 --> 01:10:35.399 that prohibited 01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:40.590 wireless communication devices by miners when driving so 01:10:40.590 --> 01:10:42.520 that's the H is a very 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:49.140 similar thing that it does away with being preempted by the 01:10:49.140 --> 01:10:50.840 state law and 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:54.760 addressing the use of it by miners were in school zones so 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.359 those were pre existing 01:10:56.359 --> 01:11:00.090 before our ordinance we just plugged that in to make sure 01:11:00.090 --> 01:11:00.920 there was no 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.819 preemption and then we're doing a similar thing after the 01:11:03.819 --> 01:11:05.079 texting law went 01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:21.800 in effect any other questions look simple 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:29.510 does anyone want to make a motion to move this forward and 01:11:29.510 --> 01:11:33.439 we'll vote okay 01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:37.770 okay it's unanimous thank you thank you we'll be taking 01:11:37.770 --> 01:11:39.920 this amendment to the 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:43.569 council on the 19th so next Tuesday okay perfect thank you 01:11:43.569 --> 01:11:45.560 very much and then our 01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:50.930 last item is item F which is the matrix traffic safety new 01:11:50.930 --> 01:11:52.359 business matrix 01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:57.449 all right I have been trying to reduce the number of things 01:11:57.449 --> 01:11:59.520 here but things get 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:03.069 added so I think we're still keeping the downtown 01:12:03.069 --> 01:12:05.960 comprehensive parking plan it's 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.970 a valley and loading zone there's there are things 01:12:08.970 --> 01:12:10.640 happening on the economic 01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:14.199 development side and they're still working with businesses 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:14.840 it's a it's a 01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:18.930 complex issue they were talking about sidewalk cafes and 01:12:18.930 --> 01:12:20.239 all this was being 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.460 lumped together so they're still doing something I don't 01:12:23.460 --> 01:12:24.640 have an update at this 01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:27.920 point but we'll keep it and whenever I get an update I'll 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:31.399 all the two huh the 01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:34.670 next two we already have them on the agenda and we've 01:12:34.670 --> 01:12:35.880 talked about it we'll 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.800 bring back the Hickory Street speed limit with a new set of 01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:40.640 data and new 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:46.939 information number four we were gonna hold off on that one 01:12:46.939 --> 01:12:48.439 just because when 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:52.270 this was requested schools were not in session getting 01:12:52.270 --> 01:12:53.800 anything initially two 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.890 three weeks or four weeks right after the schools open is 01:12:56.890 --> 01:12:58.079 slightly skewed not 01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:03.489 the typical data so we've decided especially both four and 01:13:03.489 --> 01:13:05.000 five to start 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:09.600 collecting data in October I'm sorry September this month 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:11.159 so we can get back 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:17.489 to you sometime in October the fifth one was pedestrian 01:13:17.489 --> 01:13:19.439 crossing at Hobson we 01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:23.130 actually collected some preliminary data we had a camera 01:13:23.130 --> 01:13:24.279 mounted I don't know if 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:28.699 I can pull that up here but we have a camera mounted on a 01:13:28.699 --> 01:13:30.600 street light pole at 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:36.770 the entrance of at the entrance of the park and what we saw 01:13:36.770 --> 01:13:38.159 is early in the 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:41.550 morning there were about five to seven people crossing that 01:13:41.550 --> 01:13:42.560 area we actually 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:47.380 got a one of the days there was a cop a police car sitting 01:13:47.380 --> 01:13:49.600 right there waiting 01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:53.159 for speeders going up and down Hobson it was about 630 in 01:13:53.159 --> 01:14:01.800 the morning so so there 01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.920 there is some activity it's it's not a whole lot of 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:08.319 pedestrian activity going 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:14.199 on there and installing a signal requires a lot of 01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:15.399 pedestrian activity I 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.729 think it requires about 50 pedestrian an hour to just be 01:14:19.729 --> 01:14:21.119 warranted based on the 01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:26.210 pedestrian activity we are going to collect traffic counts 01:14:26.210 --> 01:14:27.960 at Forest Ridge 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.149 and Santa Monica which are which are two streets one Santa 01:14:31.149 --> 01:14:32.279 Monica directly is 01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:36.979 across from the access to the park and then Forest Ridge is 01:14:36.979 --> 01:14:38.359 slightly to the 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.319 west and both of them will collect counts and see if they 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:42.000 weren't any 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.430 signals there to make it better for pedestrians across I 01:14:46.430 --> 01:14:47.560 think we had 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:51.479 received two or three letters from residents the Commission 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:52.640 had received it 01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:58.729 and as part of that we started that camera looking at the 01:14:58.729 --> 01:14:59.720 initial 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:04.760 information it's it looks like that it's not going to 01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.880 warrant any signal there 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:10.159 but that doesn't mean that we cannot do anything to improve 01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:11.239 the safety what we 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:16.149 can do is add some more signage there are some of the sign 01:15:16.149 --> 01:15:17.560 age that is right 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:21.159 across in front of the City Hall that actually starts 01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:22.079 blinking when 01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.189 pedestrians come in something like that can be installed 01:15:25.189 --> 01:15:26.199 that way drivers 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.760 especially early in the morning when the kid when there is 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:30.720 not enough light 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:33.739 wintertime and kids are trying to cross their street it 01:15:33.739 --> 01:15:35.199 would be really helpful 01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:39.670 if the lights start blinking if someone you know wants to 01:15:39.670 --> 01:15:41.239 cross so that's 01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.569 something that can be looked at at this point I can only 01:15:45.569 --> 01:15:47.239 provide that kind of 01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.989 information so we we can bring it back as an agenda item 01:15:50.989 --> 01:15:51.880 once we have more 01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:54.710 information we can talk about this I just want to say I 01:15:54.710 --> 01:15:56.000 like that idea of the 01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:00.880 flashing crosswalk because Hobson is what's the speed limit 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:02.640 on Hobson Hobson 01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:06.640 at that point is I think 30 miles an hour but seems like I 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:08.039 like to drive 01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:11.810 further up is yes as you get closer to Country Club it's 01:16:11.810 --> 01:16:13.720 close to 35 or 40 I 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:17.560 would say 40 okay okay yeah and that seems like a good 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:19.079 place to use one of 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:23.449 those lighted crosswalks since it's across the street from 01:16:23.449 --> 01:16:27.600 a park sorry oh 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:39.350 you're such a gatekeeper Hilljoy I am being recorded okay 01:16:39.350 --> 01:16:40.560 moving on we'll 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:44.890 bring back this item and then the last but not least there 01:16:44.890 --> 01:16:46.199 's one extra item 01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:51.810 that Commissioner Oven wanted to add and that's converting 01:16:51.810 --> 01:16:54.800 the southbound right 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.470 turn lane into a through right at mingo and that's 01:16:58.470 --> 01:17:00.239 something that we can look 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:04.569 into we will have to get counts I believe that the right 01:17:04.569 --> 01:17:05.720 turn was separated 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:09.039 just because of the number of right turners there but we 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:10.199 can look into that 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:13.750 and we'll also have to look at the alignment let me I can 01:17:13.750 --> 01:17:15.880 pull well we can't 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:27.760 discuss this item we'll discuss it when okay does anybody 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:28.359 want to add anything 01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:32.880 to the matrix 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:41.510 it's now parking on both sides it's very difficult to get 01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:44.840 through there I haven't 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.649 taken a tape measure out there but I'm pretty sure firet 01:17:47.649 --> 01:17:48.640 ruck cannot get through 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:53.460 with parking on both sides so what are the limits of this 01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:55.239 for between what and 01:17:55.239 --> 01:18:00.770 what it's just two blocks long it's okay your microphone 01:18:00.770 --> 01:18:02.399 sorry it's just two 01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:05.000 blocks it's between oak and scripture oak and scripture 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.000 okay and right now 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:10.920 there's parking on two sides and we get a lot of students 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:12.479 so it's parked up all 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:16.640 day got it's very hard to get through there that has been 01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:17.840 on the matrix it 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:24.789 fell off so at some point has it yeah we have been maybe it 01:18:24.789 --> 01:18:26.720 went into another 01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:34.470 dimension not going beyond it I want to point out to the 01:18:34.470 --> 01:18:35.840 small area plan and 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.239 especially for this area so that might take care of or 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:40.800 address somehow 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:49.640 somewhat yeah we can't talk about it 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.640 I'm new here I have a question 01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:01.579 related to like a topic you want to discuss at a future 01:19:01.579 --> 01:19:04.399 meeting yes okay you 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:08.560 can start I'll cut you off okay I don't know I don't know 01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:09.920 if this is the right 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:13.029 like if this commission would have anything to say about 01:19:13.029 --> 01:19:13.760 adding like like 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.880 large cameras on street I'm not cameras mirrors on streets 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.600 like and on busy 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:25.279 crowded streets like like apartment complexes for folks 01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:26.359 coming out it's like 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.170 the cars are in the street and they can't see some's coming 01:19:29.170 --> 01:19:29.560 around the 01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.319 corner to install like a large mirror for them to be able 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:33.800 to 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:48.319 yeah it's just west of Bernard Street on fanon probably 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:49.600 around like fanon just 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.470 just maybe like east of peak Street I think I'd have to 01:19:52.470 --> 01:19:53.439 look at what the 01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:59.529 actual address is it's like 922 because there's a apartment 01:19:59.529 --> 01:20:00.079 complex there that 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.500 the cars are on the street and yeah you can send an aerial 01:20:03.500 --> 01:20:04.560 picture whatever you 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:09.029 want but to pinpoint the location I was actually just 01:20:09.029 --> 01:20:11.359 thinking about that I wasn't 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.439 sure if those are still used at any point but there's a 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:15.600 real visibility issue 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:21.310 going from old north crossing University going north on a 01:20:21.310 --> 01:20:22.079 board 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:36.149 old north to yeah crossing northbound over University yeah 01:20:36.149 --> 01:20:36.819 like as you as 01:20:36.819 --> 01:20:44.500 mingo becomes old north and then like as you pass the gas 01:20:44.500 --> 01:20:46.239 place I guess 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:50.569 sometimes it's difficult to see if there are cars oncoming 01:20:50.569 --> 01:20:51.399 from the other side 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:56.510 and whether or not they're turning anybody else want to add 01:20:56.510 --> 01:20:57.600 to pretends 01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:02.710 with yeah this is matrix is much shorter than it was last 01:21:02.710 --> 01:21:03.520 time I was oh yeah 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:07.609 let's load it up yeah uh-huh it's tempting I'm trying to 01:21:07.609 --> 01:21:11.600 cut it down I know 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:16.760 well we can't talk about that my husband would like to add 01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:20.239 pedestrian light at 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:25.119 the corner of Avenue C Jago and Oak right now there's a 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:26.520 light but there's no 01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:30.069 cross there's no crosswalk there's no pedestrian it is 01:21:30.069 --> 01:21:31.579 coming we already have 01:21:31.579 --> 01:21:34.880 a design we're just waiting for the Hickory Street project 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:37.439 to end really 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:40.720 okay great put that on the list so we can take it right off 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:42.119 exactly I just took 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:46.560 it off he'll be so happy yes it was supposed to go under 01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:47.399 construction but 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:52.119 Hickory Street is might divert traffic to oak while under 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:53.239 construction right 01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:55.920 in front of fry Street so that's the reason they're not 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:56.960 installing it right 01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:03.899 now is it gonna be one of those talking ones yes going up 01:22:03.899 --> 01:22:06.239 town Karen all right 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:10.220 did anybody else have anything anything at all okay in that 01:22:10.220 --> 01:22:11.680 case we will close 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:19.680 our meeting at 654 and I'll see you next month are we going 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:22.680 to be meeting on the 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:43.859 you