1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,330 Item number one on our regular meeting is to consider 2 00:00:04,330 --> 00:00:05,919 approval of the Traffic 3 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:10,669 Safety Commission meeting of meeting minutes of August 7th 4 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:13,140 2017. Has everybody 5 00:00:13,140 --> 00:00:19,230 had a chance to look at the minutes? Okay. Do I have a 6 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:23,399 motion? Okay. I have a 7 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:29,600 motion. I have a second. Anyone favor? Approval? Yes. Okay. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,879 That brings us to item 9 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:35,210 B which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and 10 00:00:35,210 --> 00:00:36,719 provide direction 11 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:41,140 relating to speed limit along Hickory Street between Avenue 12 00:00:41,140 --> 00:00:44,359 A and Welch Street. 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,619 Thank you, Vice Chair. My name is Preet. I'm the Traffic 14 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:55,119 Engineer for the 15 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:58,659 city and I'll be presenting next two to three items and 16 00:00:58,659 --> 00:00:59,920 then I think the last 17 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,189 item will be presented by the chief. So let me get started. 18 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:06,319 I want to, I know 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,329 everything is written down in the report but I really want 20 00:01:09,329 --> 00:01:10,519 everyone to focus on 21 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:16,849 the area, the way it is set up, and here's a map. The 22 00:01:16,849 --> 00:01:18,159 previous 23 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:22,760 Commissioner, Mr. Hannon, he had brought up this issue 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,280 regarding the speed limit 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,719 along this segment of Hickory Street. This segment of Hick 26 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:31,359 ory Street is 27 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:35,689 right in the middle of this whole commercial district. It 28 00:01:35,689 --> 00:01:37,040 is not 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,079 adjacent to UNT property. So currently the posted speed 30 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:44,439 limit between Avenue A 31 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:49,390 and Welch along Hickory is 30 miles an hour which is pretty 32 00:01:49,390 --> 00:01:51,560 standard for 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,079 residential streets throughout the city and the segment of 34 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:57,120 Hickory between 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:03,000 Avenue C and Avenue A is posted at 20 miles an hour because 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,680 as you see 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:09,000 there's UNT right on the south side. There is a parking lot 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,319 and all 39 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:13,439 these different buildings that I think most of them have 40 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:14,879 classes in them. So 41 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:19,909 because of this being a school or an educational 42 00:02:19,909 --> 00:02:22,520 institution, the speed limits 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:29,360 per our ordinance. I think the chapter 18 section 18-72 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,520 says that if you're 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,259 close or if you're abutting a school or educational 46 00:02:34,259 --> 00:02:36,199 institution, church or a 47 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:41,460 medical building or a hospital, the speeds may be reduced 48 00:02:41,460 --> 00:02:42,879 to 20 miles an hour. 49 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:48,639 And based on that ordinance, back in the day this segment 50 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,159 between Avenue C and 51 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:55,300 Avenue A was converted to 20 miles an hour. Rest of Hickory 52 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:57,439 , west of Avenue C 53 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:03,629 and east of Avenue A is all 30 miles an hour and 54 00:03:03,629 --> 00:03:05,199 Commissioner Hannon has 55 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:08,150 suggested looking at this segment, just a short segment and 56 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:09,400 converting it into a 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,560 20 mile per hour zone. So what we did is we collected speed 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,840 information, collected 59 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,439 speed surveys for a period about five days and we found out 60 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:21,759 the majority of 61 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:27,849 the motorists or vehicles are traveling at around 25 to 26 62 00:03:27,849 --> 00:03:29,919 miles an hour. So it's 63 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,469 not over the speed limit, it's not even close to the speed 64 00:03:33,469 --> 00:03:34,840 limit, it's a 65 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,759 about five miles less than the speed limit. So yeah, given 66 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:39,560 the fact that 67 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:46,080 they're fairly within the speed limits currently and there 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:46,680 no one's 69 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,219 speeding, 85% of folks are doing this and given that we 70 00:03:52,219 --> 00:03:53,599 need to quickly move 71 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:58,139 traffic in this particular segment, there are sometimes 72 00:03:58,139 --> 00:03:59,560 loading trucks and stuff 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,969 like that. So the more traffic that stays in this area and 74 00:04:03,969 --> 00:04:05,039 the slower it 75 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:08,409 moves in this area creates a lot more congestion. So 76 00:04:08,409 --> 00:04:10,039 looking at all the 77 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:14,590 different aspects of this, staff feels that we feel that it 78 00:04:14,590 --> 00:04:16,639 should be 30 miles 79 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:19,959 an hour, remain 30 miles an hour. There's no ordinance to 80 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:21,199 back that section to 81 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:24,089 going down to 20 miles an hour. There's nothing, we'll have 82 00:04:24,089 --> 00:04:25,959 to specifically take 83 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:29,259 it to council and reduce it. Even the 85th percentile 84 00:04:29,259 --> 00:04:30,519 suggests it's 26. 85 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:33,149 Typically when you do that you have to bump it to the 86 00:04:33,149 --> 00:04:34,600 nearest, round it to the 87 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,300 nearest highest and that's the posted speed limit. So there 88 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:40,279 is no nexus or 89 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,769 there is no real study to back this up. So staff is 90 00:04:44,769 --> 00:04:46,600 suggesting we don't change 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,839 the speed limit and leave it the way it is today. 92 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Any comments, questions? 93 00:04:56,959 --> 00:04:59,959 Yes. 94 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:12,050 There is currently signage that actually starts right about 95 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:13,959 there. 96 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:29,800 So right after you cross Avenue A. Oh boy, it's not going 97 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,040 to work. 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:36,209 But there's signage right about here. It says it's 30 miles 99 00:05:36,209 --> 00:05:37,240 an hour. 100 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:49,000 I'm on the wrong direction. 101 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:19,279 Yeah, it's hiding. It's hidden behind this pole. Okay. Well 102 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,120 we do have a card 103 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,290 on this item and I've card from Kim McKibben who wishes to 104 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:26,879 speak. So if you 105 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:33,410 would please, will you state your name and your address? My 106 00:06:33,410 --> 00:06:35,600 name is Kim McKibben. 107 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,160 I own the business in the building at 1306 West Hickory 108 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,480 Street. It currently houses 109 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Oro Coffee. Specifically the merchants along with the Fry 110 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,079 Street Merchants 111 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:51,410 Association have requested previously that this small 112 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:52,959 section be reduced to 113 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:57,779 20 miles an hour. We feel like it will increase the safety 114 00:06:57,779 --> 00:06:59,240 in the area and not 115 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,290 so much congest anything because if they're moving through 116 00:07:02,290 --> 00:07:03,600 another 600 feet 117 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,930 at 20 miles an hour, we've got students that walk right out 118 00:07:07,930 --> 00:07:09,240 into the traffic. We 119 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,329 have a lot of congestion in the area and we did 120 00:07:13,329 --> 00:07:15,879 specifically ask that this 121 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:20,709 particular part of West Hickory be changed to 20 miles an 122 00:07:20,709 --> 00:07:22,079 hour and we're 123 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:25,629 told no. I would like to point out that the traffic study 124 00:07:25,629 --> 00:07:26,959 that he is referring 125 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:31,120 to was done beginning August the 1st which was prior to 126 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,959 school going into 127 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:36,290 session this summer and that previous traffic studies that 128 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:37,600 had been done when 129 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,959 they wanted to do additional development in the area came 130 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:42,000 back, well you've got 131 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,449 about the right number of cars but you've got a speed 132 00:07:44,449 --> 00:07:45,560 problem down here. 133 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,649 Hickory becomes where it crosses Welch is one of the bus 134 00:07:50,649 --> 00:07:52,040 iest intersections in 135 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,930 the entire area around the University of North Texas. That 136 00:07:54,930 --> 00:07:55,959 's been proven with 137 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:59,519 other studies done during the school year. So we 138 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:01,680 specifically requested that 139 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,430 this be slowed down, that you know we are looking to 140 00:08:06,430 --> 00:08:08,639 increase the safety. They're 141 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:11,889 also looking at a lot of other things in this particular 142 00:08:11,889 --> 00:08:13,240 area as this is part of 143 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,839 the small plan development that is going into place. We're 144 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:16,600 not real sure what's 145 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,410 going to happen at this point with sidewalks, with bypass, 146 00:08:19,410 --> 00:08:20,279 and those sorts of 147 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:25,569 things. But we did request that this be reduced to 20 miles 148 00:08:25,569 --> 00:08:27,240 an hour and do not 149 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,329 see any evidence from what was presented in the data that 150 00:08:31,329 --> 00:08:32,679 was in on the website 151 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,230 at this point that it's going to cause any difference in 152 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:37,639 what's going on. Most 153 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:42,340 of the trucks, the delivery trucks, are past the area down 154 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:43,720 there around Lucky 155 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,940 Lou's where it opens up a little bit. They pull over to 156 00:08:45,940 --> 00:08:46,919 that side or they pull 157 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:50,470 up right in front of that area. For me on the other side I 158 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:51,840 'm still in the 20 mile 159 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,440 an hour zone and I can tell you that they're not doing 20 160 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,279 miles an hour when 161 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:58,509 they come from the other areas and down the hill because it 162 00:08:58,509 --> 00:08:59,639 comes down the hill. 163 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:02,460 Not even the bicycles are doing 20 miles an hour coming 164 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:05,320 down the hill. I would 165 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,909 submit as a representative of the other merchants on the 166 00:09:08,909 --> 00:09:11,039 Fry Street that this be 167 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:14,279 changed to 20 miles an hour is not a hardship to the city. 168 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:15,200 It's not going to 169 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,200 make a big difference. You also have people parallel 170 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,720 parking in the area and 171 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,820 you know it helps if if they're slower. But our major 172 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:25,200 concern was for the 173 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,750 students and for the individuals going in the evening back 174 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:29,879 and forth from the 175 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:32,889 the U Center over to the bars that are on that side and 176 00:09:32,889 --> 00:09:34,320 over to the commercial 177 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,639 areas that are there. So yes this request was made. I am a 178 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:40,399 little surprised that 179 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:44,809 the study wasn't brought out any more than just presenting 180 00:09:44,809 --> 00:09:47,440 data. So I guess 181 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,240 that's all. Unless somebody has questions I can answer your 182 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,159 questions. 183 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:57,769 I have a question. On your form you said that there was not 184 00:09:57,769 --> 00:09:58,840 enough info on the 185 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,779 agenda to know what was being discussed. Do you feel that 186 00:10:01,779 --> 00:10:02,399 other Fry Street 187 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:07,100 merchants would also felt less informed and then they may 188 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:08,919 have needed to be in 189 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:11,879 order to come to this evening? Absolutely. There was 190 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:14,519 nothing there except the first initial 191 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:17,879 statement about that there would be a discussion and then 192 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:19,120 the raw data. It 193 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,159 wasn't that the city was proposing that it remain at 30 194 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:23,600 miles an hour. There was 195 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,649 no indication of what was going to be discussed here this 196 00:10:26,649 --> 00:10:28,000 evening. There should 197 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,509 have well I had other people who were supposed to come with 198 00:10:30,509 --> 00:10:31,200 me but you know 199 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,179 that happens sometimes. Pretent does this have to be 200 00:10:35,179 --> 00:10:38,679 noticed to business owners? 201 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,720 No. Typically speed limits are it's more based on federal 202 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,080 and state 203 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,450 guidelines how we define speed limits and post them and 204 00:10:47,450 --> 00:10:49,559 regulate them. So if 205 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,970 there were studies conducted that show that speed limits 206 00:10:52,970 --> 00:10:54,240 cannot be changed or 207 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,379 if you try and reduce the speed limits there are going to 208 00:10:58,379 --> 00:10:59,799 be more citations 209 00:10:59,799 --> 00:11:02,399 there are more people that are going to go above the speed 210 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,360 limits more kind of 211 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,960 regulatory issues that the city is going to run into as 212 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,840 well as challenges in 213 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,820 proving in court that this was acceptable when the study 214 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:15,000 shows that or 215 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,120 the speed survey shows that 85th percentile is more than 20 216 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:20,600 miles an hour. 217 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:26,129 How would you set something at load? Those are the typical 218 00:11:26,129 --> 00:11:27,320 federal and state 219 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,860 guidelines that we follow and it's been seen throughout the 220 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:32,399 nation that if speed 221 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:35,519 limits are set based on these particular guidelines 222 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:36,960 typically they are followed 223 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,129 they can be regulated they can be and they're acceptable in 224 00:11:40,129 --> 00:11:41,039 the court of law. 225 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:44,840 But here if we post something that's below then it becomes 226 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,919 a challenge for 227 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:55,139 everyone. I'm all about safety I'm not saying that's not. I 228 00:11:55,139 --> 00:11:58,559 can only make 229 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,389 comment if I'm asked a question. My question is if this 230 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:04,679 were to be reduced 231 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,379 is the major cost to the city enforcement? Correct. En 232 00:12:09,379 --> 00:12:10,480 forcement and 233 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,899 actually compliance. People complying would go and the 234 00:12:14,899 --> 00:12:16,519 other issue would be is 235 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,500 if we start enforcing and start ticketing if it's 236 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,240 challenging the court 237 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:29,070 it doesn't hold ground. Our study doesn't support it. Thank 238 00:12:29,070 --> 00:12:29,159 you. I have a question. 239 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:35,009 Who enforces the parking and the speeding? City or UNT? It 240 00:12:35,009 --> 00:12:36,639 depends on where you are. 241 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:41,059 Supposedly the University of North Texas is responsible for 242 00:12:41,059 --> 00:12:42,919 the parking in most 243 00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:46,480 of this area. It is currently the city that is responsible 244 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,399 for enforcement of 245 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:50,750 the speed limits all the way down West Hickory Street. It 246 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:51,519 is not the 247 00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:54,129 responsibility of the University of North Texas by the 248 00:12:54,129 --> 00:12:54,879 Interlock and 249 00:12:54,879 --> 00:13:00,200 Agreement to enforce speeding only parking. So this is one 250 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,320 of the things that 251 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,289 we were we were looking at when we made this request at 252 00:13:06,289 --> 00:13:11,080 multiple meetings. Where 253 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,039 are you going with the small area plan? Don't know yet. Don 254 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:17,000 't really have 255 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,960 answers to those things yet. They are currently started 256 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,080 collecting data 257 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,320 from the stakeholders and from the people in the area. They 258 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,039 started 259 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:28,009 doing interviews with the consultants. The consultants were 260 00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:28,840 just brought on 261 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,669 board beginning of this month I think with the final budget 262 00:13:32,669 --> 00:13:34,759 approval. So we 263 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:39,029 won't know that for a little while. Would you be happy with 264 00:13:39,029 --> 00:13:41,080 a fresh survey when a 265 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,059 little farther down the road? I would be happy with a fresh 266 00:13:45,059 --> 00:13:46,440 survey. I would also 267 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:53,269 like to give the the other stakeholders and business owners 268 00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:54,440 in the area an 269 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,379 opportunity to know that they need to speak to this council 270 00:13:57,379 --> 00:13:58,559 related to this. I 271 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,649 speak to this committee related to this. I do not feel like 272 00:14:02,649 --> 00:14:03,720 that we were well 273 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,700 informed about what's going on. I just came not knowing 274 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:10,039 what it was. Would one 275 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:13,870 more meeting be sufficient for you? If you will allow me to 276 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:15,039 develop some sort of 277 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:17,879 petition for those people who cannot get here to give 278 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:19,360 comment or to send comment 279 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,590 to you guys individually. So can we hold it for a date 280 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:29,320 certain? Yeah we can. For 281 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,409 next meeting. Next meeting. Can I have a date for that 282 00:14:33,409 --> 00:14:35,519 please? 283 00:14:36,679 --> 00:14:43,700 It's uncertain. I understand that. This is not the usual 284 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:45,600 Thursday. No this is not the usual. 285 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,600 No because it's the holidays. 286 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,429 It's typically the first Monday of the month. So yeah we we 287 00:15:00,429 --> 00:15:02,840 're not sure if we want to meet in 288 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,870 15 days and if we can even get there within 15 days with 289 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:08,039 this particular item. 290 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:12,240 Can we go to the first November? 291 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,240 Sixth of November. Is that okay? That should be fine. 292 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,740 Okay. Thank you very much for coming. We appreciate it. So 293 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:27,720 if it's okay with everybody we will 294 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,539 continue this on November 6th. Do we re... this isn't 295 00:15:32,539 --> 00:15:34,759 planning and zoning. Do we 296 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:37,679 don't need to reopen anything? We don't need to reopen 297 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:39,360 anything. Okay so 298 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:46,519 November 6th. We'll see you again. Okay that brings us to 299 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,759 item number C. Letter C. 300 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,740 Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding no parking 301 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:54,320 anytime restriction 302 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,710 on the south side of Congress Street from Bolivar Street to 303 00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:01,519 Carroll Boulevard. 304 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:14,009 Okay this item has been on the matrix for a while and it 305 00:16:14,009 --> 00:16:15,159 was first brought up by 306 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:22,009 some residents in the area and since that time and even in 307 00:16:22,009 --> 00:16:23,120 the recent past 308 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,450 there have been quite a few changes along this particular 309 00:16:27,450 --> 00:16:29,200 segment of Congress 310 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:36,440 and currently Congress Street which stretches pretty much 311 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,159 east-west from I 312 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:46,529 think it stretches from Oakland all the way west past the 313 00:16:46,529 --> 00:16:49,120 high school. So the 314 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,720 section between... I'm trying to get to that. Okay the 315 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,000 section between Carroll 316 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,759 and Bolivar is the segment that we're currently looking at 317 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:00,879 and just a little 318 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:05,630 brief background on what the street widths are and why we 319 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:07,200 're proposing the 320 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,039 parking restrictions on Congress. So what's happening is if 321 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,079 you go all the way 322 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:17,109 to the east this segment of Congress between Oakland Street 323 00:17:17,109 --> 00:17:18,200 and all the way 324 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:24,400 to Elm is 20 feet wide. It barely has any space for parking 325 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,279 lanes. There are two 326 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:30,259 travel lanes. They're striped that way and if I can zoom in 327 00:17:30,259 --> 00:17:31,079 you can see it 328 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:34,619 better. But this is a really narrow section of Congress. 329 00:17:34,619 --> 00:17:35,720 The further you move 330 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,369 out I think the pavement width changes so does the land use 331 00:17:39,369 --> 00:17:40,680 . If you look at this 332 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,509 segment this land use is commercial between the two one-way 333 00:17:45,509 --> 00:17:46,759 couplets between 334 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:51,769 Locust and Elm and this commercial area this is about 30 335 00:17:51,769 --> 00:17:53,900 feet wide which can 336 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:57,009 support parking on either side. This is the widest segment 337 00:17:57,009 --> 00:17:58,400 which is 36 feet wide. 338 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,380 It does have commercial on either side. Then you get into 339 00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:04,160 this this particular 340 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,799 segment which is what we're talking about. It is a mixed 341 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,000 use at this point. It 342 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,599 is not necessarily completely a residential like this 343 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:14,599 segment on the 344 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:19,420 other side of Carroll. This has a seven-mile cafe, some 345 00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:20,480 more commercial in 346 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,400 the backside. There is other things going on here. I just 347 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,519 found out from one of the 348 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:29,349 residents that this is being used as a yoga place or 349 00:18:29,349 --> 00:18:31,359 something more than just a 350 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,279 residential unit. So all these different things happening 351 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:36,920 at this corner and I 352 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,309 believe there is a trickle effect of this natural foods and 353 00:18:42,309 --> 00:18:43,880 the parking kind 354 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,970 of you know overflowing into the street. So a lot of things 355 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:49,160 this kind of area 356 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,529 acts as a as a mix to use and that's why this is was 357 00:18:53,529 --> 00:18:56,000 targeted as the section to 358 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,539 look at and restrict parking and make make things safer for 359 00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:00,480 residents. This 360 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,809 segment is completely most of the times completely parked. 361 00:19:04,809 --> 00:19:06,160 There's barely any 362 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,140 space to for vehicles to pass especially if you're 363 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:12,000 traveling either direction and 364 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,960 you come across each other one vehicle has to pull over 365 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,039 close to the curb. 366 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:22,640 The curb to curb width here is 29 feet. Fire lane typically 367 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,720 , fire department 368 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:30,019 requires 20 feet clear which only leaves 9 feet. If we park 369 00:19:30,019 --> 00:19:31,400 on one side that 9 370 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,599 feet is enough but there's not it's not enough to park on 371 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:35,920 even on both sides and 372 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,960 that's what's happening. They're using both sides to park 373 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,279 vehicles. These 374 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:45,819 businesses that business and some other you know resident 375 00:19:45,819 --> 00:19:47,680 home businesses have 376 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,339 really kind of used up all the parking and that's why we 377 00:19:53,339 --> 00:19:55,359 looked at this parking 378 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,220 lot. This is a city-owned Chamber of Commerce parking lot 379 00:19:58,220 --> 00:19:59,119 that serves this 380 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,299 building. This can be used as an overflow parking area and 381 00:20:04,299 --> 00:20:06,319 there's parking up and 382 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:09,920 down in Bolivar. So it's not that there's no parking 383 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,319 available next to this 384 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:16,019 and that's why based on the width of the street the fire 385 00:20:16,019 --> 00:20:18,720 lane requirements fire 386 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,849 lane requires at least 32 feet to allow parking on both 387 00:20:23,849 --> 00:20:27,599 sides 26 to allow 388 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:31,200 parking on one side. So we're between that range of 26 and 389 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,279 32 feet and that's 390 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:38,039 why staff recommended that parking be restricted on one 391 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,880 side. Here I said the 392 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,430 south side primarily because there's a huge vacant space. 393 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:45,119 There are some 394 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,660 commercial here and there's a parking lot here so the 395 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:50,279 impact would be minimal 396 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:54,730 for residents that want to park and I think that's that's 397 00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:56,119 the recommended 398 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:02,210 option is restrict parking one side for all the fall about 399 00:21:02,210 --> 00:21:03,960 reasons. Any questions? 400 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,279 Did you is there a difference between the number of 401 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:09,160 available parking spots on 402 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,470 the north versus the south? I think it's fairly the same 403 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:15,960 there there are a lot 404 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,289 more driveway openings on the south side so there are 405 00:21:20,289 --> 00:21:21,279 lesser spaces on the south 406 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:24,900 side. Okay and the driveway openings are wider that means 407 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:26,119 you know even if you 408 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,230 have like a one residential car entrance is much smaller 409 00:21:29,230 --> 00:21:31,319 than that so you would 410 00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:36,019 be losing lesser space if you restrict parking on the south 411 00:21:36,019 --> 00:21:37,759 side. How many spots 412 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:41,759 are left then if we park on the south side? If we restrict 413 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:43,279 parking on the south 414 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:47,609 side? No you're proposing currently restricting parking on 415 00:21:47,609 --> 00:21:48,339 the north side 416 00:21:48,339 --> 00:21:52,960 right? On the south side? Correct. Okay. 417 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:01,799 We can measure I can give you. 418 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:20,440 You're counting? Yeah I'm counting. 419 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,640 No there's a speaking card that you need to fill out. 420 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Okay. 421 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:55,960 I would say there are about anywhere between 15 to 20 422 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,359 spaces on the south 423 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,000 side but if you look at this parking lot this is fairly 424 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,519 empty and can easily 425 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:07,869 accommodate the 15 to 20 and there is parking on Bolliver 426 00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:09,680 so. Do all the houses 427 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,599 have off-street parking? Yes all of them have driveways 428 00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:15,440 that go in there this is 429 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,650 a big area in the back that has parking these driveways 430 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:20,240 that are brand new and 431 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:29,720 they have garages I believe. Most of them are quite long. 432 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:38,250 No parking on the south side. We want to minimize the 433 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,119 impact of you know taking 434 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,819 away spaces but at the same time we want to be safe and if 435 00:23:43,819 --> 00:23:44,640 you look at this 436 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,039 there's one car right there how would you fit three more 437 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:49,359 cars on either side 438 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:58,039 that's the whole argument here. Right now? On Bolliver? I 439 00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,119 think Bolliver is on one 440 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,359 side. 441 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:19,349 Wow. I think it's restricted to one side. It is one side 442 00:24:19,349 --> 00:24:21,160 parking. Right up 443 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,319 against seven mile but if you're going north on Bolliver 444 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:26,920 then you can park on 445 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,160 both sides. 446 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:49,400 Okay does anybody else have any questions real quick? Yeah 447 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:49,799 we're grabbing 448 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:58,480 some cards. Oh okay we can find some more. Yeah okay so we 449 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,559 have some cards then 450 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,730 and with people some questions and comments so I would like 451 00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:03,519 to start with 452 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:09,420 Abby Buford and you have a question about the parking lot 453 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,119 access and so if 454 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,259 you would please would you go up to the podium and state 455 00:25:15,259 --> 00:25:16,720 your name and your 456 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:25,279 address. Hello my name is Abby Buford 311 West 457 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:30,369 Congress we work for seven mile. The idea of restricting 458 00:25:30,369 --> 00:25:31,960 the south side access 459 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,880 makes sense to us I guess our question is would we then 460 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,839 have access to the 461 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:40,670 parking lot down the street? The Chamber of Commerce 462 00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:42,940 parking lot? Because I would 463 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:45,190 say it's most of our customers that take up that street and 464 00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:45,980 it's not the cup 465 00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:49,319 or it's not right whatever yoga place is or isn't there. 466 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,880 Right right and I think 467 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,910 that's what Preeten was saying that the Chamber of Commerce 468 00:25:55,910 --> 00:25:57,440 parking lot since it 469 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,839 is part of a city you know right a cooperative yeah you 470 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:03,359 should have access 471 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,299 to that. I never knew that was a free public parking kind 472 00:26:07,299 --> 00:26:10,000 of place. The south side of it sounds good. Is it marked as 473 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,970 public right now? It is not marked. Can we mark it as 474 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:15,359 public? 475 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,279 Not marked? We know we can talk to the Chamber of Commerce 476 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:20,640 and see what can be done but 477 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,339 that's definitely an option. Okay we are against the north 478 00:26:24,339 --> 00:26:25,480 side being closed off 479 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:31,599 so but south side sounds reasonable. Okay thank you and I'm 480 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:32,920 putting by the way Kim 481 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,279 and I'm putting your agenda number on here so and Abby I'm 482 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:38,880 putting your agenda 483 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,920 item on here also so we just keep you recorded. Okay I have 484 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,680 another card to 485 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:51,190 speak from Chuck Carpenter and if you would please go ahead 486 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:51,920 grab the podium 487 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,079 state your name and address please. 488 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,200 Charles Carpenter residential address is 1112 Pennsylvania 489 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,759 but I'm the owner of 490 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:08,589 the property in question that parking lot is like private 491 00:27:08,589 --> 00:27:10,119 parking lot. We have a 492 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,619 sign that designates it as such. I was interested who told 493 00:27:14,619 --> 00:27:15,559 you that was 494 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:22,599 available to the public? Really? Yeah not that they we 495 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:23,720 wouldn't be but we're in the 496 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,049 meeting business and that parking lot is full a lot of the 497 00:27:28,049 --> 00:27:29,559 time and I would love 498 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:34,000 to accommodate our neighbors at the end and we do. Part of 499 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,440 the problem is we get 500 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,529 a lot of people that aren't necessarily commercial oriented 501 00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:44,880 and I only have so 502 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,069 much money to maintain that lot and so the other issue that 503 00:27:49,069 --> 00:27:53,880 we run into is the 504 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,460 problem on the north side is that apartment complex has 505 00:27:57,460 --> 00:27:58,880 their trash pickup 506 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,960 right there and it's very difficult for them to pull a 507 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,240 truck up and pick it up 508 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,369 from the side. Also from that standpoint very rarely at any 509 00:28:07,369 --> 00:28:08,319 time during the day 510 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,859 can we make a left-hand turn out of our own parking lot so 511 00:28:11,859 --> 00:28:14,319 my issue is I'm very 512 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,549 supportive thank you for even considering it. I wouldn't 513 00:28:17,549 --> 00:28:18,240 say that we 514 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,460 wouldn't be amenable to public parking but that is a 515 00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:22,740 private lot and there's a 516 00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:28,269 very large sign that states that on our fence so I would 517 00:28:28,269 --> 00:28:29,700 leave it we would like 518 00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:32,880 to be good neighbors just for the standpoint that this is 519 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,880 important to us 520 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,430 but please correct the record that is a privately owned 521 00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:38,700 paid for by the Ditton 522 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:44,660 Chamber of Commerce. Anyone have any questions? Is it 523 00:28:44,660 --> 00:28:45,359 developing more commercial? 524 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:51,960 Is it developing more commercial along there? Not that I'm 525 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,160 aware of most of he 526 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,180 explained it very well it's a lot of multifamily our lot we 527 00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:59,920 have 28 spaces in 528 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,460 there some of you that been long around long enough 529 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:04,359 remember that building was 530 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:08,460 actually up on stilts took my covered parking and when we 531 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:09,759 filled in the lower 532 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:13,940 space we had to move everything across the lot and so we 533 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:16,559 only have ten spaces 534 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,099 and we have to give those to visitors and guests coming in 535 00:29:20,099 --> 00:29:21,160 so any of my 536 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:28,880 committees my staff has to use that lot so to just openly 537 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,480 say it's it's a public 538 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,799 lot would that would be difficult to sustain don't take it 539 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:37,880 that we're not 540 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,859 willing but I was very shocked at that statement I wonder 541 00:29:41,859 --> 00:29:42,599 who you spoke with 542 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:49,109 yeah and they were said it's open to public so I can reconf 543 00:29:49,109 --> 00:29:50,319 irm my sources but 544 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:54,920 well it's open to the public but not because we know it 545 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,119 gets open to all 546 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,759 kinds of use I have a usual Monday morning cleanup that 547 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:00,400 amounts to a whole 548 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,130 lot of different things we happy to respond to you and 549 00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:05,279 thank you for even 550 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:11,960 considering all right thank you I have a card from Gary 551 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Steinmetz and also Chuck 552 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,799 I'm putting C on yours just so we can keep our record 553 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,160 straight 554 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,930 hi hi if you would please state your name and your address 555 00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:32,400 for the record 556 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,559 and we need to speak strongly in support of the fact it 557 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:52,759 needs to be no parking on the 558 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:58,039 street I we're retired we're on the street every day you 559 00:30:58,039 --> 00:30:59,440 know and it's been 560 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,829 an ongoing maintenance problem from the very beginning you 561 00:31:02,829 --> 00:31:04,559 know not only picking 562 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:10,220 up a broken tail of broken lights broken glass you know the 563 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:11,519 the the fact that 564 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,660 there has been a major injury on the street from from 565 00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:16,039 running on the street 566 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:20,019 and having to do the sidewalk that was one of the reasons 567 00:31:20,019 --> 00:31:20,440 that the entire 568 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,609 section of Congress Street was redone with new with new 569 00:31:25,609 --> 00:31:26,079 pavements their new 570 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,180 sidewalks because there was a really bad act in a young 571 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,640 lady you know they were 572 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,240 very old and a young lady caught a curb and hit the ground 573 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,440 and we immediately 574 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,759 went out for under days to her and called an ambulance it 575 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:40,440 was hard for the 576 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:46,549 ambulance to get to her the fact is that there is an I 577 00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:48,000 understand there is an 578 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,700 easy answer for who gets the parking on their side it's 579 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,279 just not a good answer 580 00:31:54,279 --> 00:32:00,369 for either side this street has bicycles this street has 581 00:32:00,369 --> 00:32:02,759 bicycles that continually 582 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,869 travel up and down the street including small children yes 583 00:32:05,869 --> 00:32:06,720 they do have the 584 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,269 right to ride on and the on the sidewalk in this in our 585 00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:14,160 community but it is not 586 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,250 not without their right to be able to be on the street we 587 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:20,079 have a joggers that come 588 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:24,490 from the college frequently we have joggers and students 589 00:32:24,490 --> 00:32:25,759 that we walk to the 590 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:32,059 library on the street the continued evidence of a parking 591 00:32:32,059 --> 00:32:32,920 on both sides of 592 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,400 the street endangers any anybody that's made a wrong 593 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,119 decision momentarily either 594 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,539 whether it's a turn signal into the parking lot or or 595 00:32:42,539 --> 00:32:44,000 whatever you know it 596 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,089 endangers the the flow of students it endangers the flow of 597 00:32:48,089 --> 00:32:49,720 pedestrians and it 598 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,880 certainly has become such an inconvenience to be picking up 599 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,359 people's 600 00:32:53,359 --> 00:33:02,069 mirrors I picked up two cars hit on my property and on a 601 00:33:02,069 --> 00:33:02,480 daily basis I go 602 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,180 outside and pick up the glass which is subdued and try and 603 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:08,680 reattach parts to 604 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,500 the cars that are parked to my neighbors and I and and it 605 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:13,759 and it's not convenient 606 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,880 for me either I'm not doing this because I don't have 607 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,200 people that come to our 608 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,869 house well my wife has you know she's currently under in- 609 00:33:23,869 --> 00:33:25,279 home health care so 610 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,880 they got to find someplace to park that's their problem 611 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,640 their job is to 612 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,900 come to our house my job is to make sure that it's safe for 613 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,079 my wife to have an 614 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:36,710 ambulance and a fire truck to come down my street currently 615 00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:38,079 as of today they 616 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,779 have found a water leak underneath and brand new asphalt 617 00:33:42,779 --> 00:33:44,359 and and and I didn't 618 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,140 bring pictures of it but we're staked out and we have you 619 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:48,039 know half of the 620 00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,759 street now closed and it's going to be under construction 621 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:51,680 for the next several 622 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,319 days which means that those that think they can park there 623 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:56,160 I don't belong on 624 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,180 the street are going to be wondering where to go the place 625 00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:00,000 to go is in the 626 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,650 parking lot for the people and their homes and for the 627 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:05,119 business across the 628 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,800 street and for the people next door to me these are these 629 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,119 this is a residential 630 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,659 area this is not a Boulevard this is not a wide street you 631 00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:15,679 can't put cars on both 632 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,860 sides and be fair to the residents and on the street it 633 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:21,800 needs to be very simply 634 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,920 no parking on the street there's we have plenty of 635 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,119 residents have plenty of 636 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,760 parking for their own the house across the property across 637 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,360 the street from 638 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,789 a zone by mr. Burkett and Adam you know he's got a nice big 639 00:34:33,789 --> 00:34:35,320 piece of property 640 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,159 you want to you want to put in a public parking lot he's 641 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,679 done his his land is 642 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,500 underneath the flood zone he would probably be more than 643 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:43,239 happy to sell a 644 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,360 piece of that put in a little public park pop parking in 645 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,000 the center of the 646 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,949 street great we do not need parking on the street it's just 647 00:34:50,949 --> 00:34:51,820 too dangerous for 648 00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:57,039 bicycles oh another issue every year we're on the parade 649 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:58,320 route and I love it 650 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,659 I get to use my garden hose and hose the mayor every year 651 00:35:01,659 --> 00:35:03,159 it's great and I do a 652 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,699 great job of it I got my garden hose and I wash cars you 653 00:35:06,699 --> 00:35:07,880 know and they throw 654 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,630 candy very well at me okay and and so we have the parade 655 00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:12,480 that comes down our 656 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480 street okay we've hit we've hit the three-minute mark here 657 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,760 but we hit your 658 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,460 three-minute mark here but can I ask you how do you feel 659 00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:23,119 about parking on one 660 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,860 side unacceptable unacceptable it still is not wide enough 661 00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:29,119 for the traffic flow 662 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:33,449 that we get with buses with with with the delivery trucks 663 00:35:33,449 --> 00:35:34,800 that come for the 664 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,130 for the restaurants we have we have had wires pulled down 665 00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:40,119 we've had branches 666 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,380 pulled down there is you know it's already it's already 667 00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:44,519 rated for the fact 668 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,320 that we have semis that come up and down the street I've 669 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,679 picked up dead dogs I 670 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:53,320 picked up dead squirrels you know I picked up broken glass 671 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,159 this needs to be 672 00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:57,309 a no parking streets for the safety of the people on the 673 00:35:57,309 --> 00:35:58,199 street and the 674 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,909 community at large especially with the fact that there's a 675 00:36:00,909 --> 00:36:01,800 school right down 676 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:08,719 the street you want to have any questions for mr. Steinmetz 677 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,519 and I had 678 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,190 the favorite I had you know I don't have written approval 679 00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:14,480 of the three residents 680 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,630 that that I've contacted to live on the street but they 681 00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:19,400 agree and it's just been 682 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,949 I actually had a friend of mine hit a friend of mine it's 683 00:36:22,949 --> 00:36:24,079 not fun you know 684 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,110 it's a good way to lose friends you know she hit her we 685 00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:29,599 know both of them we're 686 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,670 the common denominator and I'm tired of being that you know 687 00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:33,559 the set guy that 688 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,690 says well I'm really sorry about my street it's really 689 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:36,320 dangerous you 690 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,250 shouldn't come and see me wrong you should be able to come 691 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:41,320 see me I certainly 692 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,719 appreciate your time I'm strongly support that this is a no 693 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,840 parking street 694 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,429 with bicycles on both sides this is a definitely a bicycle 695 00:36:49,429 --> 00:36:50,639 community we have 696 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:55,480 the bicycles already at large on it on that at the cupboard 697 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,400 and at the the 698 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,219 coffee shop regularly you know I highly recommend this is a 699 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,760 no parking zone it 700 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,079 would be the best for those the residents and and the 701 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,039 parking could be 702 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:13,849 available for mr. Burkett okay well thank you thank you 703 00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:15,679 very much 704 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,429 and I have another card from Josie Klingman Klingman Kling 705 00:37:21,429 --> 00:37:23,639 er okay if you 706 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,320 would please you can go up to the podium and again you know 707 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,840 state your name 708 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,840 address 709 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,570 hi everybody my name is Josie Klingle my husband and I own 710 00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:39,199 seven mile cafe at 311 711 00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:46,469 West Congress Street and we understand parking's tough 712 00:37:46,469 --> 00:37:48,079 there especially on the 713 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:52,780 weekends when there's cars on both sides and we're not 714 00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:53,840 opposed to 715 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,539 restricting parking but we would like it to be just on one 716 00:37:58,539 --> 00:38:00,360 side we do have a lot 717 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,519 of customers that come to see us that they do have trouble 718 00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,360 parking our lot is 719 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:13,050 about 27 spaces we park on Bolivar we do not park in the 720 00:38:13,050 --> 00:38:13,679 covered parking lot 721 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:18,380 we're not allowed to park there we are open just from 8 a.m 722 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:20,039 . to 2 and then to 723 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,280 3 on the weekends if there is a way to maybe you know ease 724 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,519 up the restrictions 725 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,340 from our business hours just you know during the day you 726 00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:29,280 know we would be up 727 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,900 for that that would be very helpful for us it's just you 728 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,239 know we're really 729 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480 trying to make that part of town a part of town where 730 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,360 people could come they 731 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,630 could eat they could shop at the cupboard you know get 732 00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:41,320 their massage 733 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,440 across the street at the day spa or go to the glass you 734 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,119 know spot and you know 735 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,719 be able to park near the business not being able to park 736 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,199 near our business it 737 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,360 it definitely slows down and hurts our business we saw it 738 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,960 when Congress and 739 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,650 Bolivar were closed down during construction our business 740 00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:00,599 went way down 741 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,550 when people couldn't just park in front even in our parking 742 00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:04,480 lot and just walk 743 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,570 right in so we understand it's it's it's tight and we want 744 00:39:08,570 --> 00:39:10,079 emergency vehicles to 745 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:14,239 be able to get in and we we feel that there be enough room 746 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,440 if we limited 747 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,530 parking to the one side and not both it would be really 748 00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:20,840 hard on our business 749 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:27,559 there for sure you won't have any questions for Josie 750 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:34,710 I don't know the traffic rules I'm leaving that up to the 751 00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:36,199 people who 752 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,710 understand that better than me I I would think the south 753 00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:42,559 side because that way 754 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,039 our customers don't have to walk across the street to get 755 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:45,800 to our business 756 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,789 there's less business on the north side I believe that 757 00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:52,880 people aren't really 758 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,159 walking to you so I wouldn't want them to park on the south 759 00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:55,880 side and have to 760 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,480 walk across the street over there I don't see that 761 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,960 pedestrian traffic going 762 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,659 that way I don't know how many spots are on each side and 763 00:40:04,659 --> 00:40:05,599 what's what's better 764 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,929 that way how many driveways there are or anything like that 765 00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:12,239 I I would vote for 766 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,800 Southside parking 767 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,519 I understand that residents all have driveways as well 768 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:32,119 correct and our our parking is really mainly from 8 to 3 I 769 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,829 believe most residents may or may not be at work during 770 00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:38,679 that time I don't know how much resident parking is on the 771 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,639 street during business hours 772 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:51,210 that's okay okay anybody on the Commission have a question 773 00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:52,559 okay thank you 774 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:57,769 thank you and I have another card for Jasmine Foster from 775 00:40:57,769 --> 00:41:05,480 Jasmine Foster and 776 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,320 if you again state your name please and your address my 777 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:09,960 name is Jasmine Foster I 778 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,650 stay my residential address is 603 Bolivar Street apartment 779 00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:15,119 a on the map it's 780 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,119 actually 781 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,400 did you mean both sides of Oliver because there is actually 782 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,840 a there is a sign that 783 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,389 says no parking on the west side of the street correct I 784 00:41:42,389 --> 00:41:43,360 think some portion of 785 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,239 Bolivar has only one side parking just given the width of B 786 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,139 ollywood I think if 787 00:41:47,139 --> 00:41:51,960 you further go north yeah once you get past I want to say 788 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,159 it's Egan is this 789 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,239 next lock up is that's what that one you can park but on 790 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,960 this side you can't and 791 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,739 like like you said I think y'all's hours are 8 to 2 and 8 792 00:42:01,739 --> 00:42:03,440 to 3 on the weekends I 793 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,789 know for sure like if I leave and I come back I can't park 794 00:42:07,789 --> 00:42:12,639 anywhere so me parking 795 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:31,539 and so I feel that if y'all do restrict it find somewhere 796 00:42:31,539 --> 00:42:32,880 for the people to go 797 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,699 to the businesses to park so that I can still park to get 798 00:42:35,699 --> 00:42:36,880 to my house because 799 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,699 where I park is literally my car is parallel perpendicular 800 00:42:40,699 --> 00:42:41,760 to the drivers I 801 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,550 can literally get out of my car and walk straight down the 802 00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:44,280 driveway to my front 803 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,610 door if people parking for the cupboard park there seven 804 00:42:48,610 --> 00:42:50,119 mile cafe or anywhere 805 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,670 else park there I have to walk further to get home but then 806 00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:54,599 I can't see my car 807 00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:58,750 so if somebody breaks in my car what can I do you know and 808 00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:59,679 I use that car to take 809 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,849 her to school take myself to school take myself to work if 810 00:43:02,849 --> 00:43:03,800 I can't get to my 811 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,889 house because somebody else's parked there because where 812 00:43:05,889 --> 00:43:06,679 they normally park 813 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:10,019 is restricted it's a problem for me and I know their hours 814 00:43:10,019 --> 00:43:10,760 are early so that's 815 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,300 not really a issue for me I think it's more just people 816 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:15,840 parking there because 817 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,510 it's close to where they're going and not thinking oh well 818 00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:19,599 somebody else parks 819 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:24,179 here to go home so I just think that's a and something to 820 00:43:24,179 --> 00:43:25,320 think about when you 821 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,369 restrict the parking because me and my neighbor actually 822 00:43:28,369 --> 00:43:29,519 parked there and she 823 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,070 has two cars so when she's gone in her little cars there it 824 00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:34,000 's like okay where 825 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,840 am I truck gonna go you know so just I guess thinking of 826 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,519 the other people who 827 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,889 do live on the residential side of Bolivar because there is 828 00:43:42,889 --> 00:43:43,519 a driveway 829 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,280 behind the house on the corner but that driveway is for 830 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,480 that house and I don't 831 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,579 know how many people park in front of it but I know coming 832 00:43:49,579 --> 00:43:50,920 down Congress I've had 833 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,000 you know where you go down the street and kind of weave 834 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,760 behind a car for 835 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,699 somebody to come down the street and come back but then you 836 00:43:55,699 --> 00:43:56,320 have the people 837 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,929 trying to move out of their parking spot so it's just a lot 838 00:43:58,929 --> 00:44:00,000 of congestion and I'm 839 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,539 kind of with them about restricting the whole street just 840 00:44:03,539 --> 00:44:04,719 to give everybody 841 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,710 clear vision to get to where they're going and like how he 842 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:08,599 said he can't turn 843 00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:11,440 left on his street out of his parking lot for his business 844 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,320 if there was no 845 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,789 parking he probably wouldn't have that problem so I think 846 00:44:14,789 --> 00:44:16,559 if it's restricted 847 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:20,539 that would be good just designate parking for the 848 00:44:20,539 --> 00:44:21,480 businesses so that 849 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,039 they're not taking up everybody else's spots for their for 850 00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,079 their place thank 851 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:35,920 you and I have one more card from Arlene Hill for your 852 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,559 agenda D item D okay is 853 00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:49,559 there anybody else who'd which to speak on item C any 854 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:59,480 discussion oh I was just 855 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:07,269 asking the Commission whether anybody had discussion so our 856 00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:09,440 choices include 857 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,469 give us our choices again Pritam yeah the choices is 858 00:45:12,469 --> 00:45:13,960 recommend approval of the 859 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,360 ordinance so recommend it or request it to council to 860 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,820 accept the ordinance so 861 00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:25,039 that's the first thing for restricting parking on one side 862 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:29,260 and define the side 863 00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:32,349 wouldn't that that would be and then decline the 864 00:45:32,349 --> 00:45:33,280 recommendation of no 865 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:43,440 parking option one or two okay 866 00:45:48,360 --> 00:46:00,599 item C okay go ahead I actually work at seven mile cafe I'm 867 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:01,559 when I'm assistant 868 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:07,440 manager there and I am all for safety I do want my business 869 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,800 or our business to 870 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,389 still do well and I have worked there during the period of 871 00:46:12,389 --> 00:46:14,059 time that Congress 872 00:46:14,059 --> 00:46:20,679 wasn't open so I experienced the lack of business but 873 00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,440 possibly I was gonna say I 874 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,030 know that your parking lot wasn't or you don't want it 875 00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:27,679 completely public but 876 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:31,230 maybe employees only being able to park there on the 877 00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:32,920 weekends would maybe help 878 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,250 with the congestion because we have a lot of employees and 879 00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:38,199 we have to get 880 00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:43,239 there and park so I don't know just trying to like bring up 881 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,440 some sort of 882 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,880 solution to this problem I completely understand but how 883 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,280 many how many plays 884 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,980 there on the weekend we were trying to like estimate I 885 00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:58,440 would I mean yes but not 886 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,619 everybody drives and if we can't I don't know when the 887 00:47:03,619 --> 00:47:05,840 chambers of Congress meets 888 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,659 and when y'all have your meetings are really it's only on 889 00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:09,760 the weekends that we 890 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,110 have 20 or more on the weekdays we have like eight people 891 00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:15,039 up front maybe eight 892 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:22,010 people in in back and a lot of us walk or bike whatever but 893 00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:23,159 it's more for the 894 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,860 weekend that we have the worst time with the congestion and 895 00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:32,079 whatnot so yeah 896 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,559 okay thank you okay well it sounds like we've got a couple 897 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:38,800 things going on and 898 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,980 one thing that we need to learn is more about the 899 00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:45,760 accessibility of the Chamber 900 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:54,320 of Commerce parking lot okay so do we want to move forward 901 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,199 with this without 902 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,809 knowing the status of the parking lot or do we want to 903 00:48:00,809 --> 00:48:02,280 again hold this over 904 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,039 for our next meeting 905 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,000 it seems to me like that's more of an issue between seven 906 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,679 mile and the 907 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,940 Chamber of Commerce to work out the Chamber of Commerce 908 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:24,159 wants to be a good 909 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:27,800 neighbor then you know maybe they can have a conversation 910 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:28,960 outside of this 911 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,940 Commission I think our concern is more if somebody at the 912 00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:34,599 Chamber of Commerce 913 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,000 or a seven mile cafe have a medical emergency can an 914 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,159 ambulance get to them 915 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,360 that that should be our first concern 916 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,920 I'm ready to make a motion that we accept the staff 917 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,960 recommendation I'll 918 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,320 second time okay we have a motion to accept staff 919 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,400 recommendation we have a 920 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:07,199 second voting in favor aye aye okay it will move on to City 921 00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,159 Council okay 922 00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,710 item number D which is to receive a report hold a 923 00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:17,400 discussion to make room 924 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,239 recommendation to City Council to establish a new school 925 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,559 speed zone along 926 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,130 Lakeview Boulevard between Black Walnut and Burr Oak Lane 927 00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:28,599 this is affecting 928 00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,679 Pecan Creek Elementary School 929 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:50,769 okay let me get the bearings right here and go to the 930 00:49:50,769 --> 00:49:55,760 location the concrete 931 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,170 elementary it's way down there on the south side of the 932 00:49:59,170 --> 00:50:04,079 city and they if you 933 00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,809 don't know where exactly it's located and what kind of 934 00:50:07,809 --> 00:50:09,239 access it has I 935 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:17,199 don't know why it's doing this so it has two access points 936 00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,360 one on Lakeview 937 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,119 Boulevard and that was when the school was designed that 938 00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:25,880 was supposed to be the 939 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,289 main access and the main ingress egress there's a great 940 00:50:30,289 --> 00:50:32,320 drop-off area that was 941 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,670 designed when the school was first constructed what 942 00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:38,880 happened eventually is 943 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,250 instead of this area in front of the school and this area 944 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:46,199 developing faster 945 00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,880 the area in the back started developing much more quicker 946 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,519 as a result pocket 947 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:55,349 page became a main entrance for the school and there are 948 00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:56,679 certain sections 949 00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,969 that we have school zone along pockets pages so that kids 950 00:50:59,969 --> 00:51:03,599 can across and there 951 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,719 was no school zone along Lakeview Boulevard even though it 952 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,719 's a divided to 953 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,400 lane right in front of the school and the reason being 954 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,199 there historically there 955 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:18,219 was no sidewalk connection on this side of the street and 956 00:51:18,219 --> 00:51:20,280 as you went further 957 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,230 and further this neighborhood could easily cross across and 958 00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:25,000 get into the 959 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,130 sidewalk and get to the school so there was no need or 960 00:51:29,130 --> 00:51:31,039 there were no students 961 00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:34,630 pedestrians crossing from this side there was no access it 962 00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:35,599 's a creek area 963 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:40,690 that's completely green built now what has happened in the 964 00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:42,079 recent past in the 965 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,800 past six to eight months this area has started developing 966 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,920 this subdivision came 967 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,210 in they went through the planning process and now they have 968 00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:54,199 a connection 969 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:57,599 here the houses are currently getting built most likely 970 00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,760 start occupying early 971 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,500 next year and starting next school year a bunch of these 972 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:05,519 kids would be walking 973 00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:09,849 down this sidewalk there's a brand new sidewalk now on this 974 00:52:09,849 --> 00:52:11,320 side of Lakeview 975 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,329 Boulevard and it goes all the way and connects to this 976 00:52:15,329 --> 00:52:17,159 recreational area for 977 00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:22,360 for the HOA up there as a result of that sidewalk a lot of 978 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,440 kids from the northern 979 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,139 side this area will start using that particular sidewalk 980 00:52:29,139 --> 00:52:30,119 also to come down 981 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:37,440 that side of the street so given the new development and 982 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,960 and the existing 983 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,829 development here on this side it is it's forecasted that a 984 00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:46,719 lot of kids are gonna 985 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,119 start coming down this side on this side of the sidewalk so 986 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,239 the PTA has been 987 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,079 trying to get a school zone for years and they haven't been 988 00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:59,679 successful but 989 00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:04,650 given this all these new changes going on at this time it 990 00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:06,360 is it seems like this 991 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,570 is a good time to get a school zone in this area we've 992 00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:11,320 conducted a speed survey 993 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,019 particularly along Lakeview Boulevard right around this 994 00:53:16,019 --> 00:53:18,119 area and what we found 995 00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:22,679 as both directions the 85th percentile majority of the 996 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:24,199 people are above 30 997 00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:29,739 miles an hour so they're doing 34 35 miles an hour and if 998 00:53:29,739 --> 00:53:31,159 that continues 999 00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:34,219 happening during the school year especially when kids are 1000 00:53:34,219 --> 00:53:34,960 trying to get 1001 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,519 across the street and there is a nice crossing right about 1002 00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:41,719 here so this is a 1003 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,679 nice crossing to get to the other side I've already met 1004 00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:46,119 with the principal we 1005 00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,239 have talked about how they're gonna change this how a 1006 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,400 crossing that could be 1007 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,170 posted here and how their circulation would work if kids 1008 00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:56,559 get on this side and 1009 00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,780 how they would get into the school so we've talked about 1010 00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:00,920 all that and at this 1011 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:06,079 point based on all the changes and all the new demand for 1012 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,559 pedestrian access a 1013 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,949 school zone is recommended starting right about here which 1014 00:54:10,949 --> 00:54:11,880 is a few hundred 1015 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,969 feet south of this is Burr Oaks I believe right about here 1016 00:54:17,969 --> 00:54:18,840 all the way back 1017 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,539 to Black Walnut so this area people will be forced to drive 1018 00:54:23,539 --> 00:54:25,679 slower during the 1019 00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:30,960 school hours definitely and we will install and enforce the 1020 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:31,559 school speed 1021 00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:35,300 zone along this so the staff recommends we implement this 1022 00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:36,239 so that next year 1023 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,280 we're ready if it goes through if it has to go through 1024 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,760 council we have to order 1025 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,679 equipment installation and all that so we think that we 1026 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,199 need to get this ball 1027 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:52,050 rolling and then by the start of next school year we have 1028 00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:54,199 everything in place 1029 00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:59,119 so will there be crosswalks correct there is already a 1030 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,960 crossing ADA compliant 1031 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,199 crossing area right about here which was designed for this 1032 00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,960 particular reason this 1033 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,829 is a ramp that goes in and there is a so this will be 1034 00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:13,360 completely striped as a 1035 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,099 crosswalk with pedestrian signage crossing guards and then 1036 00:55:18,099 --> 00:55:19,400 the school zone 1037 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,389 would start somewhere back here that would slow down 1038 00:55:22,389 --> 00:55:24,039 traffic about a year ago 1039 00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:27,369 what was that change we made about a year ago here in the 1040 00:55:27,369 --> 00:55:29,719 same area yeah 1041 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:36,039 along Lakeview I thought it was along I think we did back 1042 00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:37,800 here where we shifted 1043 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,559 the crossing for pedestrians to the originally the crossing 1044 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:43,719 was located at 1045 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,119 this intersection oops wrong location but originally the 1046 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,039 crossing was located 1047 00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:53,099 at this intersection with the development stopped now the 1048 00:55:53,099 --> 00:55:53,679 development 1049 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:58,199 has moved further and I believe the crossing has moved here 1050 00:55:58,199 --> 00:55:59,239 now eventually 1051 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,840 we'll get to post oak so I think this this was the change 1052 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,719 that was done for 1053 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,469 this particular school I'm not aware of anything that was 1054 00:56:07,469 --> 00:56:10,880 done on Lakeview so 1055 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,420 indicate again where you plan to begin the school zone on 1056 00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:16,159 the north on the 1057 00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:21,840 north it is right about where it starts dividing into it's 1058 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:27,159 a few hundred feet 1059 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:39,440 300 feet so let's see there's 300 feet of school zone oh it 1060 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,480 starts 300 feet 1061 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,079 yes it starts about there right where the market is and 1062 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,800 then it starts here 1063 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,670 goes all the way down to black walnut what's the speed zone 1064 00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:52,079 on Lakeview until 1065 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:57,230 that point the speed on the posted speed limit is 30 and 1066 00:56:57,230 --> 00:57:00,920 people are doing 34 1067 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:09,719 it will go down to 20 during the school hours correct 1068 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,599 there will be yes blinking lights that turn on and notify 1069 00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:24,039 this is the time when 1070 00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:31,760 the speed is enforced it'd be morning peak between 7 and 7 1071 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,239 30 or 8 30 something 1072 00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:35,840 like that depending on I think each school is slightly 1073 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,760 different but we'll 1074 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:44,690 have some timings there and you calculated that spot based 1075 00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:45,920 upon the 1076 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,019 crosswalk yes the ADA crosswalk basically what is happening 1077 00:57:51,019 --> 00:57:51,920 is right 1078 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:58,880 after this divided area when they hit the single lane 1079 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,480 people tend to slow down 1080 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,019 so this area is where they tend to slow down there is going 1081 00:58:04,019 --> 00:58:05,119 to be a brand new 1082 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:09,619 access here and an intersection so people are driving at a 1083 00:58:09,619 --> 00:58:11,039 slower speed as 1084 00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:15,539 opposed to this divided area there's yeah they're actually 1085 00:58:15,539 --> 00:58:17,000 doing much faster 1086 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,329 in this so once they go get past the divided area they kind 1087 00:58:21,329 --> 00:58:22,159 of slow down 1088 00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,980 automatically so we don't necessarily need to extend it all 1089 00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:27,840 the way back no I 1090 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,880 was thinking about the the breadth of it because I'm 1091 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,519 concerned of course about 1092 00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:37,219 the equity of school zones across Denton ISD and not our 1093 00:58:37,219 --> 00:58:39,199 school zones are 20 1094 00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:41,800 miles an hour are not necessarily equitable in all 1095 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,360 neighborhoods so that's 1096 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:50,449 something that I would watch for okay anybody else have any 1097 00:58:50,449 --> 00:58:53,400 questions I have 1098 00:58:53,400 --> 00:59:00,010 one card so finally Arlene Hill and if you would please go 1099 00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:01,239 up to the podium 1100 00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:05,079 state your name and address 1101 00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:13,809 good evening chair person members my name is Adrian Hill 1102 00:59:13,809 --> 00:59:15,159 and I am a student 1103 00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:19,139 at Texas Women's University graduate student in family 1104 00:59:19,139 --> 00:59:20,400 matters and policy 1105 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,760 this is my assignment to since I'm working as a teacher 1106 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,079 well not right now 1107 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:32,199 but going back into them working on another degree so we 1108 00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:33,440 were concerned 1109 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:39,210 about the policies of this or the parents did this do they 1110 00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:40,159 have any 1111 00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:47,159 accidents in the area were there any children with fear 1112 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:48,480 because of the 1113 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:54,469 walking or bicycle riding or did they have any fear of the 1114 00:59:54,469 --> 00:59:56,039 car speeding and 1115 00:59:56,039 --> 01:00:03,760 they're not having any hesitancy well they did have hesit 1116 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:04,480 ancy they didn't 1117 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,590 have any hesitancy about crossing the street so can answer 1118 01:00:09,590 --> 01:00:11,400 that okay so what 1119 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,940 it was for years they did have an issue with the speeding 1120 01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:17,079 and they were there 1121 01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:20,400 they were hesitant to send their kids even on bikes on 1122 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,960 sidewalks and walking 1123 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,059 due to the speed of the divide up in the divided area where 1124 01:00:26,059 --> 01:00:27,519 Lakeview is divided 1125 01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:32,219 completely that area was the scary part as far as speeding 1126 01:00:32,219 --> 01:00:33,760 vehicles the other 1127 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,579 issue was a lot of people were getting dropping their kids 1128 01:00:37,579 --> 01:00:38,400 off with the 1129 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,769 vehicles lined up early in the morning there was an issue 1130 01:00:41,769 --> 01:00:43,079 with the conflict of 1131 01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,909 you know vehicles try and driving at 30 miles an hour 1132 01:00:46,909 --> 01:00:48,400 coming to halt or getting 1133 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,579 into the school dropping kids off and leaving at the same 1134 01:00:51,579 --> 01:00:52,719 time pedestrians 1135 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:57,809 walking in so in order to have a can more controlled 1136 01:00:57,809 --> 01:01:00,400 controlled entrance and 1137 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,219 exit that's why the parents were more want to move forward 1138 01:01:05,219 --> 01:01:05,840 with the school 1139 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:13,519 zone thank you so another question the policy would that be 1140 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,159 coming from the 1141 01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:18,909 traffic and safety Commission and sending it forward to the 1142 01:01:18,909 --> 01:01:19,800 City Council 1143 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,039 for signature since you all are part of the legislative 1144 01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,199 body the traffic safety 1145 01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:28,750 Commission would make a recommendation and then that would 1146 01:01:28,750 --> 01:01:29,760 go to City Council 1147 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:35,530 to be heard and voted on by council that's it for me as an 1148 01:01:35,530 --> 01:01:36,960 educator thank 1149 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:42,809 you so much okay thank you is there anybody else who has 1150 01:01:42,809 --> 01:01:44,320 who wants to speak 1151 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,320 on this item 1152 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,519 I mean I'm sure this one there there is a path there is 1153 01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:07,480 currently a path and a 1154 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:14,480 gate on this side so a lot of kids actually use that yes 1155 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,719 yeah I talked to 1156 01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:18,130 the principal and she said you'll be amazed how many kids 1157 01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:19,000 actually use that 1158 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:30,239 path no that's the path 1159 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:49,320 and actually there is a bike rack here and a back access 1160 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,840 which is open for kids 1161 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,980 it's it's all locked there's a gate here for the fence but 1162 01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:55,119 this is open in the 1163 01:02:55,119 --> 01:03:10,880 morning and kids can park here okay is there anything else 1164 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,119 anybody have any 1165 01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:19,320 questions discussion motion I move to accept staff 1166 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,239 recommendation okay okay 1167 01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:26,760 there's been a motion there's a second everyone in favor 1168 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,199 all right and they 1169 01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:35,780 will move forward to City Council okay we are now on item E 1170 01:03:35,780 --> 01:03:37,559 which is to receive 1171 01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,860 a report hold a discussion and make a recommendation to 1172 01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:41,920 City Council for 1173 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:47,769 amending chapter 18 section 18 - 38 of the Code of Ordin 1174 01:03:47,769 --> 01:03:50,039 ances use of wireless 1175 01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:54,000 communications while driving 1176 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,619 good evening if you'll bear with me just saying here I'll 1177 01:04:18,619 --> 01:04:20,320 bring up a couple of visual 1178 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,039 aids to you 1179 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:47,119 you 1180 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:13,659 yeah somehow I'm missing one of my visual aids now here we 1181 01:05:13,659 --> 01:05:15,000 go 1182 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:21,510 okay good evening thank you for let me get on the agenda 1183 01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:22,440 kind of at the last 1184 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:29,090 minute and bring this to you today what I'm proposing is 1185 01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:31,039 for you to recommend 1186 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:37,360 consider making a recommendation to pass forward to the 1187 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,000 council to approve an 1188 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,329 amendment to the wireless ordinance while wireless use by 1189 01:05:43,329 --> 01:05:47,079 drivers ordinance we 1190 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:52,099 as you know you recommended the current ordinance which was 1191 01:05:52,099 --> 01:05:53,760 passed in December 1192 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,989 and then along came the 85th legislature of the state and 1193 01:05:58,989 --> 01:06:01,519 House Bill 62 and they 1194 01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:09,210 passed a statewide texting ban that preempted part of our 1195 01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:11,079 existing ordinance 1196 01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:19,289 concerning the using the phone as a texting or messaging 1197 01:06:19,289 --> 01:06:21,960 device so the City 1198 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,659 Attorney's Office took a look at it and decided the best 1199 01:06:25,659 --> 01:06:27,019 thing to do for us to 1200 01:06:27,019 --> 01:06:31,199 keep intact the majority of our ordinance and laws in 1201 01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:32,519 addition to the 1202 01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:36,610 the state law that was just passed was to just to make an 1203 01:06:36,610 --> 01:06:37,920 exception in the 1204 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:43,769 ordinance to make make it clear that it was not preempted 1205 01:06:43,769 --> 01:06:45,079 or not addressed or 1206 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:48,809 did not address the texting part so that it's not preempted 1207 01:06:48,809 --> 01:06:50,960 by state law so that's 1208 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:58,039 a it's a pretty simple fix and this section right here 1209 01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:00,000 which is I section 1210 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,880 would be an addition to our existing ordinance as section I 1211 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,400 just would state 1212 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:14,050 that our ordinance is not not addressing anything to do 1213 01:07:14,050 --> 01:07:17,159 with texting with wireless 1214 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:22,909 devices or sending electronic messages and so the portion 1215 01:07:22,909 --> 01:07:24,199 that our ordinance 1216 01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:29,309 that is then left behind to after the amendment is just 1217 01:07:29,309 --> 01:07:30,960 simply the hand hands 1218 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,909 free part which prohibits using the device as a cell phone 1219 01:07:34,909 --> 01:07:35,880 while you're 1220 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,389 driving so with this one little addition or amendment to 1221 01:07:40,389 --> 01:07:41,599 the ordinance and 1222 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:58,019 plugging that in to the existing ordinance here at the 1223 01:07:58,019 --> 01:08:01,280 bottom of this 1224 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:12,860 section at the just right after H would satisfy we believe 1225 01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:14,719 satisfy legally to 1226 01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:19,760 continue with our full ordinance in effect in addition to 1227 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,279 the state law and 1228 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,000 we would have the same coverage the same prohibitions as we 1229 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,319 would have from the 1230 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:31,090 original concept of the ordinance that was passed on 1231 01:08:31,090 --> 01:08:33,960 December 6th so what the 1232 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:38,659 way we would enforce it is if officer wanted enforce a law 1233 01:08:38,659 --> 01:08:40,560 regarding the use 1234 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,920 of the device as texting they would write the ticket under 1235 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:44,880 the state law if 1236 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,430 they saw somebody using the cell phone as a phone and 1237 01:08:48,430 --> 01:08:49,960 holding it in their hand 1238 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:56,789 while driving then we would write the ticket under the 1239 01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:59,600 ordinance so the only 1240 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,520 other there's a there's a couple of other issues that may 1241 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,359 come up in case 1242 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:07,050 that you would have a question about it one is there's a 1243 01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:08,640 difference in the 1244 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,680 recommended fine amount the state law prescribes a $99 fine 1245 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,800 for the texting 1246 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,449 violation our ordinance says up to $200 which is just the 1247 01:09:20,449 --> 01:09:21,239 way we write all of 1248 01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,100 our ordinances to give the judge the latitude just put 1249 01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:25,119 something in there but 1250 01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:28,970 he had his fine for that other part of our ordinance would 1251 01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:31,439 be typically would 1252 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,989 be the same as the state law texting part so it would it 1253 01:09:34,989 --> 01:09:36,319 wouldn't create any 1254 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:41,560 issues there so really that's about all I have and I'll be 1255 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:42,520 glad to answer any 1256 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:50,880 questions that you might have yes 1257 01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:03,250 so under yeah it just it just states that basically we're 1258 01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:05,520 not touching the 1259 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,220 texting part or using it as a to read write or send 1260 01:10:10,220 --> 01:10:12,960 electronic messages which 1261 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:21,939 is the way the the state law is is worded we already in in 1262 01:10:21,939 --> 01:10:23,159 the existing 1263 01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:28,590 ordinance we did that already just back to this one on H so 1264 01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:30,000 H addresses a very 1265 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,189 similar issue where there was already an existing state law 1266 01:10:34,189 --> 01:10:35,399 that prohibited 1267 01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:40,590 wireless communication devices by miners when driving so 1268 01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:42,520 that's the H is a very 1269 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:49,140 similar thing that it does away with being preempted by the 1270 01:10:49,140 --> 01:10:50,840 state law and 1271 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,760 addressing the use of it by miners were in school zones so 1272 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,359 those were pre existing 1273 01:10:56,359 --> 01:11:00,090 before our ordinance we just plugged that in to make sure 1274 01:11:00,090 --> 01:11:00,920 there was no 1275 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,819 preemption and then we're doing a similar thing after the 1276 01:11:03,819 --> 01:11:05,079 texting law went 1277 01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:21,800 in effect any other questions look simple 1278 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:29,510 does anyone want to make a motion to move this forward and 1279 01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:33,439 we'll vote okay 1280 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,770 okay it's unanimous thank you thank you we'll be taking 1281 01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:39,920 this amendment to the 1282 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,569 council on the 19th so next Tuesday okay perfect thank you 1283 01:11:43,569 --> 01:11:45,560 very much and then our 1284 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,930 last item is item F which is the matrix traffic safety new 1285 01:11:50,930 --> 01:11:52,359 business matrix 1286 01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:57,449 all right I have been trying to reduce the number of things 1287 01:11:57,449 --> 01:11:59,520 here but things get 1288 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,069 added so I think we're still keeping the downtown 1289 01:12:03,069 --> 01:12:05,960 comprehensive parking plan it's 1290 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,970 a valley and loading zone there's there are things 1291 01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:10,640 happening on the economic 1292 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,199 development side and they're still working with businesses 1293 01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:14,840 it's a it's a 1294 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,930 complex issue they were talking about sidewalk cafes and 1295 01:12:18,930 --> 01:12:20,239 all this was being 1296 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:23,460 lumped together so they're still doing something I don't 1297 01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:24,640 have an update at this 1298 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,920 point but we'll keep it and whenever I get an update I'll 1299 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,399 all the two huh the 1300 01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:34,670 next two we already have them on the agenda and we've 1301 01:12:34,670 --> 01:12:35,880 talked about it we'll 1302 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,800 bring back the Hickory Street speed limit with a new set of 1303 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:40,640 data and new 1304 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:46,939 information number four we were gonna hold off on that one 1305 01:12:46,939 --> 01:12:48,439 just because when 1306 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,270 this was requested schools were not in session getting 1307 01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:53,800 anything initially two 1308 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,890 three weeks or four weeks right after the schools open is 1309 01:12:56,890 --> 01:12:58,079 slightly skewed not 1310 01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:03,489 the typical data so we've decided especially both four and 1311 01:13:03,489 --> 01:13:05,000 five to start 1312 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:09,600 collecting data in October I'm sorry September this month 1313 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,159 so we can get back 1314 01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:17,489 to you sometime in October the fifth one was pedestrian 1315 01:13:17,489 --> 01:13:19,439 crossing at Hobson we 1316 01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,130 actually collected some preliminary data we had a camera 1317 01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:24,279 mounted I don't know if 1318 01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:28,699 I can pull that up here but we have a camera mounted on a 1319 01:13:28,699 --> 01:13:30,600 street light pole at 1320 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:36,770 the entrance of at the entrance of the park and what we saw 1321 01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:38,159 is early in the 1322 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,550 morning there were about five to seven people crossing that 1323 01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:42,560 area we actually 1324 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,380 got a one of the days there was a cop a police car sitting 1325 01:13:47,380 --> 01:13:49,600 right there waiting 1326 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,159 for speeders going up and down Hobson it was about 630 in 1327 01:13:53,159 --> 01:14:01,800 the morning so so there 1328 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,920 there is some activity it's it's not a whole lot of 1329 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,319 pedestrian activity going 1330 01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:14,199 on there and installing a signal requires a lot of 1331 01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:15,399 pedestrian activity I 1332 01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:19,729 think it requires about 50 pedestrian an hour to just be 1333 01:14:19,729 --> 01:14:21,119 warranted based on the 1334 01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:26,210 pedestrian activity we are going to collect traffic counts 1335 01:14:26,210 --> 01:14:27,960 at Forest Ridge 1336 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,149 and Santa Monica which are which are two streets one Santa 1337 01:14:31,149 --> 01:14:32,279 Monica directly is 1338 01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:36,979 across from the access to the park and then Forest Ridge is 1339 01:14:36,979 --> 01:14:38,359 slightly to the 1340 01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:41,319 west and both of them will collect counts and see if they 1341 01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:42,000 weren't any 1342 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,430 signals there to make it better for pedestrians across I 1343 01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:47,560 think we had 1344 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,479 received two or three letters from residents the Commission 1345 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:52,640 had received it 1346 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:58,729 and as part of that we started that camera looking at the 1347 01:14:58,729 --> 01:14:59,720 initial 1348 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,760 information it's it looks like that it's not going to 1349 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,880 warrant any signal there 1350 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,159 but that doesn't mean that we cannot do anything to improve 1351 01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:11,239 the safety what we 1352 01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:16,149 can do is add some more signage there are some of the sign 1353 01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:17,560 age that is right 1354 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,159 across in front of the City Hall that actually starts 1355 01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:22,079 blinking when 1356 01:15:22,079 --> 01:15:25,189 pedestrians come in something like that can be installed 1357 01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:26,199 that way drivers 1358 01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:29,760 especially early in the morning when the kid when there is 1359 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,720 not enough light 1360 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,739 wintertime and kids are trying to cross their street it 1361 01:15:33,739 --> 01:15:35,199 would be really helpful 1362 01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:39,670 if the lights start blinking if someone you know wants to 1363 01:15:39,670 --> 01:15:41,239 cross so that's 1364 01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:45,569 something that can be looked at at this point I can only 1365 01:15:45,569 --> 01:15:47,239 provide that kind of 1366 01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:50,989 information so we we can bring it back as an agenda item 1367 01:15:50,989 --> 01:15:51,880 once we have more 1368 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,710 information we can talk about this I just want to say I 1369 01:15:54,710 --> 01:15:56,000 like that idea of the 1370 01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,880 flashing crosswalk because Hobson is what's the speed limit 1371 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,640 on Hobson Hobson 1372 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,640 at that point is I think 30 miles an hour but seems like I 1373 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,039 like to drive 1374 01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:11,810 further up is yes as you get closer to Country Club it's 1375 01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:13,720 close to 35 or 40 I 1376 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,560 would say 40 okay okay yeah and that seems like a good 1377 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,079 place to use one of 1378 01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:23,449 those lighted crosswalks since it's across the street from 1379 01:16:23,449 --> 01:16:27,600 a park sorry oh 1380 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:39,350 you're such a gatekeeper Hilljoy I am being recorded okay 1381 01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:40,560 moving on we'll 1382 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,890 bring back this item and then the last but not least there 1383 01:16:44,890 --> 01:16:46,199 's one extra item 1384 01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:51,810 that Commissioner Oven wanted to add and that's converting 1385 01:16:51,810 --> 01:16:54,800 the southbound right 1386 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,470 turn lane into a through right at mingo and that's 1387 01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:00,239 something that we can look 1388 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,569 into we will have to get counts I believe that the right 1389 01:17:04,569 --> 01:17:05,720 turn was separated 1390 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,039 just because of the number of right turners there but we 1391 01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:10,199 can look into that 1392 01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:13,750 and we'll also have to look at the alignment let me I can 1393 01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:15,880 pull well we can't 1394 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:27,760 discuss this item we'll discuss it when okay does anybody 1395 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:28,359 want to add anything 1396 01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:32,880 to the matrix 1397 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,510 it's now parking on both sides it's very difficult to get 1398 01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:44,840 through there I haven't 1399 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,649 taken a tape measure out there but I'm pretty sure firet 1400 01:17:47,649 --> 01:17:48,640 ruck cannot get through 1401 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,460 with parking on both sides so what are the limits of this 1402 01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:55,239 for between what and 1403 01:17:55,239 --> 01:18:00,770 what it's just two blocks long it's okay your microphone 1404 01:18:00,770 --> 01:18:02,399 sorry it's just two 1405 01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,000 blocks it's between oak and scripture oak and scripture 1406 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,000 okay and right now 1407 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,920 there's parking on two sides and we get a lot of students 1408 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,479 so it's parked up all 1409 01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,640 day got it's very hard to get through there that has been 1410 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,840 on the matrix it 1411 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:24,789 fell off so at some point has it yeah we have been maybe it 1412 01:18:24,789 --> 01:18:26,720 went into another 1413 01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:34,470 dimension not going beyond it I want to point out to the 1414 01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:35,840 small area plan and 1415 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,239 especially for this area so that might take care of or 1416 01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:40,800 address somehow 1417 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:49,640 somewhat yeah we can't talk about it 1418 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,640 I'm new here I have a question 1419 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,579 related to like a topic you want to discuss at a future 1420 01:19:01,579 --> 01:19:04,399 meeting yes okay you 1421 01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:08,560 can start I'll cut you off okay I don't know I don't know 1422 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:09,920 if this is the right 1423 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,029 like if this commission would have anything to say about 1424 01:19:13,029 --> 01:19:13,760 adding like like 1425 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,880 large cameras on street I'm not cameras mirrors on streets 1426 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,600 like and on busy 1427 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:25,279 crowded streets like like apartment complexes for folks 1428 01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:26,359 coming out it's like 1429 01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:29,170 the cars are in the street and they can't see some's coming 1430 01:19:29,170 --> 01:19:29,560 around the 1431 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,319 corner to install like a large mirror for them to be able 1432 01:19:33,319 --> 01:19:33,800 to 1433 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:48,319 yeah it's just west of Bernard Street on fanon probably 1434 01:19:48,319 --> 01:19:49,600 around like fanon just 1435 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,470 just maybe like east of peak Street I think I'd have to 1436 01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:53,439 look at what the 1437 01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:59,529 actual address is it's like 922 because there's a apartment 1438 01:19:59,529 --> 01:20:00,079 complex there that 1439 01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:03,500 the cars are on the street and yeah you can send an aerial 1440 01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:04,560 picture whatever you 1441 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,029 want but to pinpoint the location I was actually just 1442 01:20:09,029 --> 01:20:11,359 thinking about that I wasn't 1443 01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:14,439 sure if those are still used at any point but there's a 1444 01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:15,600 real visibility issue 1445 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:21,310 going from old north crossing University going north on a 1446 01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:22,079 board 1447 01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:36,149 old north to yeah crossing northbound over University yeah 1448 01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:36,819 like as you as 1449 01:20:36,819 --> 01:20:44,500 mingo becomes old north and then like as you pass the gas 1450 01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:46,239 place I guess 1451 01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:50,569 sometimes it's difficult to see if there are cars oncoming 1452 01:20:50,569 --> 01:20:51,399 from the other side 1453 01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:56,510 and whether or not they're turning anybody else want to add 1454 01:20:56,510 --> 01:20:57,600 to pretends 1455 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:02,710 with yeah this is matrix is much shorter than it was last 1456 01:21:02,710 --> 01:21:03,520 time I was oh yeah 1457 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,609 let's load it up yeah uh-huh it's tempting I'm trying to 1458 01:21:07,609 --> 01:21:11,600 cut it down I know 1459 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,760 well we can't talk about that my husband would like to add 1460 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,239 pedestrian light at 1461 01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:25,119 the corner of Avenue C Jago and Oak right now there's a 1462 01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:26,520 light but there's no 1463 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,069 cross there's no crosswalk there's no pedestrian it is 1464 01:21:30,069 --> 01:21:31,579 coming we already have 1465 01:21:31,579 --> 01:21:34,880 a design we're just waiting for the Hickory Street project 1466 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,439 to end really 1467 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,720 okay great put that on the list so we can take it right off 1468 01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,119 exactly I just took 1469 01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:46,560 it off he'll be so happy yes it was supposed to go under 1470 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:47,399 construction but 1471 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:52,119 Hickory Street is might divert traffic to oak while under 1472 01:21:52,119 --> 01:21:53,239 construction right 1473 01:21:53,239 --> 01:21:55,920 in front of fry Street so that's the reason they're not 1474 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:56,960 installing it right 1475 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:03,899 now is it gonna be one of those talking ones yes going up 1476 01:22:03,899 --> 01:22:06,239 town Karen all right 1477 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:10,220 did anybody else have anything anything at all okay in that 1478 01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:11,680 case we will close 1479 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:19,680 our meeting at 654 and I'll see you next month are we going 1480 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,680 to be meeting on the 1481 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,859 you