1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,320 August 13th 2018 public utility board meeting to order 2 00:00:07,740 --> 00:00:09,789 We we're gonna take things a little bit out of order this 3 00:00:09,789 --> 00:00:12,259 morning to start with we have 4 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:15,300 Before we go into our work session 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,480 We have quite a few 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,960 gentlemen outside that 7 00:00:20,059 --> 00:00:23,519 We'd like to recognize and I'm gonna let Mario introduce if 8 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:24,519 you would 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,140 Thank You. Mr. Chairman. Good morning members of the board 10 00:00:28,699 --> 00:00:31,559 I'm gonna turn it over to George more or our general 11 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:32,240 manager for 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,439 municipal electric to make some introductory comments and 13 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:38,710 and then allow the the folks out in the hallway to come in 14 00:00:38,710 --> 00:00:39,340 to be 15 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:41,759 recognized 16 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:44,100 Good morning, George Morrow DME general manager 17 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:47,810 Chair Robinson and the pub. Thank you for the opportunity 18 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:47,960 to 19 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,759 recognize our our lineman rodeo teams 20 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:54,799 they had a great time and 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,920 We're very competitive down in sagin, Texas 22 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,179 Had the opportunity to stop by there myself very hot and 23 00:01:02,179 --> 00:01:05,819 humid but it was a super event a week of weekend of the 24 00:01:05,819 --> 00:01:06,079 July 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,980 21st we had two journeyman teams and four apprentice teams 26 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:12,890 So we had a good group of folks and as part of that we 27 00:01:12,890 --> 00:01:15,519 provide also some judges for the other folks to 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,000 To to see the competition. So I want to introduce 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,900 Gonna pass the baton here to Brad Watts Brad's our 30 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:24,200 operations line 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,599 superintendent Brad led the team to 32 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,670 very close to super victory and I think he has a little a 33 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:33,840 few a 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,879 few photos he you might want to show you and he'll 35 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:38,780 introduce 36 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:41,519 introduce the folks so 37 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,439 Good morning George that I'm Brad Watts operation line 38 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:50,400 superintendent and 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,189 We did a real good job down there. This is the 22nd annual 40 00:01:55,189 --> 00:01:56,079 lineman rodeo 41 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:59,719 It usually has 20 to 30 utilities that represent 42 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:03,840 different divisions investor owned municipal contractor 43 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,810 Cooperative and as George said the guys just did an 44 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:09,520 outstanding job. It's very competitive down there 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,389 This year it was one of the hottest that I've ever seen. It 46 00:02:13,389 --> 00:02:14,919 was 112 degrees and 47 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,560 These guys were just I mean 48 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:20,180 Drenched in sweat, but they were working hard and they 49 00:02:20,180 --> 00:02:21,800 practiced real hard leading up to this 50 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,039 I mean they put in a lot of hours on their own time 51 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,469 During the weekend coming in trying to sharpen their lin 52 00:02:27,469 --> 00:02:28,960 eman skills up and that's you know 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,199 that's a chance you get to show them off down there and 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,120 I'll go ahead and introduce the guys 55 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:49,879 I 56 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:10,319 Hear the second we'll get you the face to the left 57 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,699 And as George said it's like this is the 22nd annual we've 58 00:03:17,699 --> 00:03:20,039 only missed one competition down there 59 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,300 And that was due to note the island was underwater. They 60 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:24,460 had a bunch of rain down there 61 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:27,430 I'm gonna go ahead and introduce I'll start with the rodeo 62 00:03:27,430 --> 00:03:28,199 coordinator 63 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,969 This is the guy that just I mean he gets everything set up 64 00:03:30,969 --> 00:03:33,159 for the team when they need things 65 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Listen events. I mean he's the go-to guy and this Lanny Am 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,719 ix and 67 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:41,479 Then I'll start with the journeyman team 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Clinton peak 69 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,000 Cody Schneider 70 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,599 Blake Smith and then our other journeyman team is Tyler 71 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:49,919 rank 72 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Garrett Dillard 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,520 Curtis Espadaugh and 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,099 Then we also had our apprentices that went down there 75 00:03:58,099 --> 00:03:59,240 Jordan Padrone 76 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,599 Gustavo Soto Mitch Hassel and Jack Gray and 77 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:08,159 Along with competition teams down there 78 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:11,340 we also it's a big tradition down there that utilities will 79 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:15,539 provide a cooking team and they'll cook barbecue ribs bris 80 00:04:15,539 --> 00:04:16,160 ket and 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,589 We took our team down there and that team was Lane Freeman, 82 00:04:21,589 --> 00:04:24,560 which is lanes out. He just had a baby girl and 83 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:27,079 then Jason Wilkins and 84 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:30,470 Then also make the road the rodeo possible because there's 85 00:04:30,470 --> 00:04:32,600 so many things that factor into the rodeo 86 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,980 They asked the teams to provide judges to go down there 87 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:37,240 because I mean these guys are on the pole 88 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,769 But there's also judges that are judging them which we can 89 00:04:39,769 --> 00:04:41,839 't judge our own people wish we could but we 90 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,279 And those judges were Cliff Knight 91 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,199 Van Emman 92 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:48,879 Michael Pennington 93 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:50,800 Dave Dwanell 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,399 Ethan Horton 95 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:54,399 and Ryan Clearman and 96 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:58,300 Then we got one other guy that we big thanks goes to and he 97 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:01,279 's the one that makes sure that our tent get our awning 98 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,399 Get set up so we have somewhere to get out of the out of 99 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:03,720 the Sun 100 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,240 You know water and Gatorade for the guys 101 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,000 And we call him our logistics man. That's Tim Kudis 102 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,329 And we did very well down there we it's a very stiff 103 00:05:16,329 --> 00:05:17,519 competition 104 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:19,750 I mean these guys are great journeyman and they're going 105 00:05:19,750 --> 00:05:22,160 against great journeyman, but we had 106 00:05:22,879 --> 00:05:25,810 The first team I called out Clinton peak Cody Snyder Blake 107 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:29,230 Smith Smith took second place in the journeyman mystery 108 00:05:29,230 --> 00:05:29,639 event 109 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,079 And one of you guys want to explain what that event was? 110 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,839 I 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,160 Think we had to do is work with three pop bang. We had two 112 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,600 jumpers change out on each side 113 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,959 The event time was 15 minutes. We did it in 10 and we were 114 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,040 Two seconds away from third place and not second place 115 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:55,399 first 116 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:57,959 So it was a tight race 117 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:00,279 and then our second team 118 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,639 Which I mean no no special order one or two 119 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:07,439 But our other team took second place overall overall 120 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,600 journeyman municipal division 121 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,180 So they were the second second best journeyman team down 122 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:13,560 there in the municipal division 123 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,920 And that was Tyler rank Garrett Dillard and Curtis Espada 124 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,480 ugh, and that's all their events combined 125 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,709 We were don't think the data. I don't have our our teams 126 00:06:24,709 --> 00:06:25,680 overall 127 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,360 overall the utilities down there 128 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,389 Ended up. I think fifth overall and sixth overall so I mean 129 00:06:33,389 --> 00:06:33,519 we 130 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:37,100 represented it well these guys they worked hard to did a 131 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:39,740 lot of a lot of hard work on their own and 132 00:06:40,259 --> 00:06:41,759 You know when they got down there 133 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:44,180 And that you know that work shows when they get back home 134 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:46,519 because they learn a lot of safety rules down there 135 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,220 How different utilities are doing things and it just you 136 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:52,009 know it helps didn't helps the service that we do provide, 137 00:06:52,009 --> 00:06:53,240 but they did a great job 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,750 On the cooking team we took first place brisket and when 139 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:04,079 you 140 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:10,610 In the cooking world if you win brisket you're that you're 141 00:07:10,610 --> 00:07:11,600 the king 142 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Right now Denton's the king until we get dethroned 143 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,490 Well all the different teams that provide cooking teams, 144 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:27,540 which there's quite a few Jason how many teams were there 145 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,540 60 cooking teams down there well all the food that they 146 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:35,800 they cook all that goes towards the brisket dinner 147 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,230 The event the awards dinner that night so everybody's fed 148 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:39,759 real well 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,639 And I mean it's just a big you know family atmosphere where 150 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:45,480 all these all the different utilities come together 151 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,389 I mean and they get to they get to be brothers because Ly 152 00:07:48,389 --> 00:07:49,759 man our brotherhood and 153 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,490 You know one another thing that I really take pride in that 154 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:56,160 when when you go compete in these events 155 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,800 If the chips ever got down here in Denton we know who to 156 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,319 call we got brothers out there 157 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:04,899 And they'd be here to help us and vice versa will help them 158 00:08:04,899 --> 00:08:05,639 if they need to help 159 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:08,899 I'd I'll let the guys go out, and then I'll show you some 160 00:08:08,899 --> 00:08:10,379 of the pictures from it 161 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:13,959 What you're one of the most important 162 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:27,720 And then this is the journeyman municipal division second 163 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:34,240 place overall team them getting their trophies and 164 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,940 Then there's our brisket Kings right there 165 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,960 And they do cook a good brisket 166 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:45,320 Here's one of the events that this is I 167 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:46,519 Can't see this is Tyler and Garrett on the pole doing one 168 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:51,840 of their events notice that you know all the cover-up 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:51,840 I mean when they're working up there, they're they're doing 170 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,759 just like they do here 171 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:59,110 I mean, they don't change anything. It's you know it's very 172 00:08:59,110 --> 00:09:00,759 safety oriented and it has to be 173 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,039 And then this is the Curtis on the ground the groundman is 174 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,240 a big vital role in that team because he's the one that 175 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:07,519 sends 176 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:10,179 Everything up to the guys on the pole and gets them already 177 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,419 And then here's the other team. This is they were changing 178 00:09:14,419 --> 00:09:15,679 out disconnects 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,720 And 180 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,429 When they that second team when they on that that event 181 00:09:23,429 --> 00:09:25,519 they they they smoked it 182 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:28,279 I mean that's very fast the time that they had 183 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:31,399 And if y'all got any questions 184 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,370 I'll answer them if not I pre we appreciate the time and 185 00:09:34,370 --> 00:09:36,259 you know the sport letting us go down there 186 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:40,690 The most important thing you said was you learn how to do 187 00:09:40,690 --> 00:09:44,080 it safely and quickly to get the power back on and that's 188 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:44,840 the biggest 189 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,840 Part of the whole yes ma'am it is 190 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:48,919 Although the brisk it's probably 191 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,240 Thanks Brad appreciate it thank you 192 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:58,519 Okay 193 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:02,519 Before we go into work session 194 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,899 Want to welcome first of all Karen's Davini our newest 195 00:10:06,899 --> 00:10:09,340 public utility board member 196 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,019 Welcome to the to the public utility board and hopefully 197 00:10:14,019 --> 00:10:14,639 you'll 198 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,519 It's 199 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,600 It's it's a it's a good good good board to be on so welcome 200 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:31,279 Okay our work session 201 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,720 We're gonna receive a report hold a discussion and give 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,799 staff direction regarding proposed updates to the green 203 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:39,879 sense and incentive program 204 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,490 The green sense incentive program manual and distributed 205 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:46,879 generation manual for fiscal year 2018-19 206 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:54,639 All 207 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:03,389 Right George Morrow general manager of DMA and I also want 208 00:11:03,389 --> 00:11:09,720 to thank the new pub board member welcome 209 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Oh, thank you and 210 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:16,720 also recognize Liz Ruiz over here Liz is the mastermind and 211 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,629 Author and promoter of our green sense program and that was 212 00:11:20,629 --> 00:11:23,960 one of the first things I looked at when I came to Denton 213 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,629 Work for the utility is hey, what kind of customer programs 214 00:11:27,629 --> 00:11:30,070 do we have and I was very impressed with the green sense 215 00:11:30,070 --> 00:11:30,480 program 216 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,480 there's a lot of meat there and 217 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,159 We made a few little tweaks to it. We're here to I guess 218 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:40,559 Reapprove it for the following fiscal year and here's a 219 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,230 little bit of history. It had been called some different 220 00:11:43,230 --> 00:11:44,440 things over different time 221 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:48,309 Today, it's the green sense program. You can see some of 222 00:11:48,309 --> 00:11:51,860 the changes that were made as it moved through time 223 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,620 Here's the history for this year so far 224 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:57,840 We've given 225 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,190 353 rebates for all the different types of things that we 226 00:12:01,190 --> 00:12:02,440 do help our customers 227 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,029 Accomplish about a hundred thousand dollars so far and the 228 00:12:08,029 --> 00:12:10,879 PV photovoltaics or solar rebates is at the very bottom 229 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,480 So far this year, there's been 230 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:18,460 Let's see here 66 actually installed. We have 81 231 00:12:18,460 --> 00:12:20,720 applications. So there's some to be finished 232 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,830 408 KW which is not bad and there's the rebates that we've 233 00:12:25,830 --> 00:12:26,039 provided 234 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,200 And basically paid out all of our money, you know committed 235 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,480 all of our funds pretty early in the fiscal year 236 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,639 And that's something we wanted to address during the the 237 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:37,559 redo of the program 238 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,710 Here's a little bit of history of some of the different 239 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:41,440 things that 240 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Comprised the program you can see we started in F 241 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,120 200,000 for solar rebates last two years. It's been about 242 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,840 300,000, but the rebates as I indicated go pretty quickly 243 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:58,120 So we're proposing to up that to 500,000 this year. That's 244 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,240 you know as we 245 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:03,519 You know stand in the shoes of trying to make 246 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,600 Dent in a green city a renewable city 247 00:13:06,799 --> 00:13:09,539 It just seemed like the right thing to do is to at least 248 00:13:09,539 --> 00:13:12,200 have enough money for most if not all of the fiscal year 249 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,200 For everybody that's interested in putting 250 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,360 solar panels on their on their home 251 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,720 So those those are kind of the numbers 252 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,490 The things we're proposing to do the tweaks I'll call them 253 00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:28,519 for the next fiscal year is one we've added 254 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,639 Weatherization as a category to get a rebate for so it's 255 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:33,240 kind of like do-it-yourself 256 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,409 Solarization so you can go buy some different products 257 00:13:37,409 --> 00:13:38,639 bring us the receipt and 258 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,360 It's fairly modest. I guess in the first year. We're 259 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,120 looking at $50 as a as a rebate 260 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:48,039 weatherstripping caulk spray foam, etc, but 261 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,789 So that's one of our changes second is that we've been 262 00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:54,559 providing $300 rebates for electric vehicles 263 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,480 But it wasn't really clear and it's something that Liz and 264 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,009 I talked about early about whether plug-in electric 265 00:14:00,009 --> 00:14:01,059 vehicles qualify 266 00:14:01,059 --> 00:14:04,570 So that would be like the Chevy Volt or Ford Focus that 267 00:14:04,570 --> 00:14:05,960 have a small engine 268 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,059 But you know the batteries do provide a lot of the of the 269 00:14:09,059 --> 00:14:11,600 propulsion and we said, you know what? 270 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,639 Let's do it. Let's let's clarify that to 271 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,289 Going forward that plug-in electric vehicles also qualify 272 00:14:19,289 --> 00:14:22,559 for that rebate because they have the same benefit to the 273 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:22,919 utility 274 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,750 You know, they've become a customer. They use a lot of off- 275 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:26,159 peak energy 276 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,539 Off-peak energy consumption is good for us as a rate rate 277 00:14:30,539 --> 00:14:30,940 item 278 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 standard offer incentive changes for commercial accounts 279 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,570 Seemed like it was very restrictive as as I reviewed it 280 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:39,519 this past year 281 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:42,720 There was a 200 KW minimum peak so you had to be a fairly 282 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,000 large customer to take advantage of this 283 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:47,519 incentive and 284 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:51,100 We just went ahead and removed that limitation though. 285 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:54,919 There is still embedded in the program a 50 KW 286 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:58,440 Project, you know if you do a project and we provide 287 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,039 incentives for that it needs to be at least 50 KW 288 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:04,240 So so it has some bulk but it didn't seem like it was 289 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,320 necessary to have the 200 KW 290 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,450 And also we had some tiered rebates in one category. We did 291 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:09,840 a hundred 292 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,340 Dollars per KW and another hundred twenty five. We just 293 00:15:13,340 --> 00:15:15,399 kind of made it flat hundred and twenty five dollars 294 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:19,399 So for anything and so it's very flexible. I actually like 295 00:15:19,399 --> 00:15:19,960 that a lot 296 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:23,639 Commercial customers can propose almost anything that gives 297 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:24,039 us a KW 298 00:15:24,779 --> 00:15:28,720 reduction and peak load and we verify that analyze it and 299 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:32,950 Then we can provide the rebate to them. So I mentioned 300 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:33,879 already the 301 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,879 I guess that's a typo down there that should say 500 K for 302 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:39,159 solar systems and 303 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,720 type that hot off the press this morning and 304 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,460 And then we modified the solar rebates because in fact that 305 00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:50,360 they were going so quickly we thought okay, let's have more 306 00:15:51,659 --> 00:15:53,659 opportunity and 307 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,360 Instead of 75 cents per watt 308 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,759 We looked at a tiered system where we pay a little bit more 309 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:03,659 for the smaller system and then a little bit less for the 310 00:16:03,659 --> 00:16:04,039 larger 311 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:05,919 systems and 312 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:09,470 You'll see probably very few systems over 10 KW unless they 313 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:12,460 're commercial take a W would be a very large home 314 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:15,159 program so I think for 315 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:17,779 Residential customers most are going to probably fall in 316 00:16:17,779 --> 00:16:19,399 the three to five KW range 317 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,350 I'll actually get a little more incentive with that and you 318 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:24,960 can see we did the same thing with if you install solar 319 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:25,840 with a battery 320 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,490 There's not actually too many of them Liz. What about two 321 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:30,600 so far this year 322 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:33,419 So that hasn't really taken off yet battery is still 323 00:16:33,419 --> 00:16:36,450 extremely expensive and the business case for battery is 324 00:16:36,450 --> 00:16:38,259 still a little bit questionable 325 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:41,019 We don't have off-peak rates yet 326 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,940 So there you know, what do you charge it with and we do 327 00:16:43,940 --> 00:16:47,019 give you credit for surplus solar no matter what time it is 328 00:16:47,019 --> 00:16:49,809 So you don't have to put it in a battery to get credit for 329 00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:50,000 it 330 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:54,389 We keep track of that and we'll we'll move that around and 331 00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:57,399 let you offset some other usage at a different time frame 332 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,080 So that's actually a good a good program, but there are 333 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,620 some that want to put batteries in I think one 334 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,460 advantage of a battery is if you had a power outage which 335 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,819 does happen once in a while with some of the crazy weather 336 00:17:09,819 --> 00:17:11,019 we have out here and 337 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:13,420 You can you know 338 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:15,640 You can draw the power out of that battery to keep your 339 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,200 lights on while we're out there getting getting the repairs 340 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:18,539 done 341 00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:20,539 so so that's a 342 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,960 pretty much the 343 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,910 Nuts of it. Okay. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. I just had a question 344 00:17:26,910 --> 00:17:27,319 about 345 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:32,160 the 57 participants we had have had 346 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,240 Where would they fall in the? 347 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,079 Size of the system. It would be the three to five 348 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,160 Cool. I mean as Liz if she's got any any details 349 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:47,759 Come on up. Yeah 350 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,680 This year we had 351 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:01,440 varied between 352 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,680 four KW and 10 KW with with the 353 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,369 Price of solar coming down. You'll see a little bit more 354 00:18:08,369 --> 00:18:10,920 larger systems coming on the residential side 355 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,279 Their size a little bit larger also for the homes 356 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:19,069 But it it does vary between four and ten KW five and six is 357 00:18:19,069 --> 00:18:20,200 the average 358 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,680 Okay 359 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,920 Thank you. You know another reason for ramping down maybe 360 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,599 the solar rebate as you get to a larger size is that solar 361 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:29,799 is 362 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,130 basically economic today the costs have dropped 363 00:18:33,130 --> 00:18:34,480 dramatically, so 364 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:37,750 Incentives for a lot of electric utilities are not as 365 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:38,480 necessary 366 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,779 We had a 10-year incentive program in California which 367 00:18:41,779 --> 00:18:44,759 started at a high level and then it we were forced to lower 368 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:45,599 it every year 369 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:46,960 And it finally went away last year 370 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,880 so you can't get a solar rebate in California anymore 371 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,000 because basically the industry is is 372 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,220 Mature and commercial and it's not really necessary. So but 373 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:58,839 we still do it. We want to give folks 374 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,079 You know some additional incentive to do that 375 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,400 Okay questions comments 376 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,480 so the applications received 81 with the 377 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,480 Small requirements or the tiered 378 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:21,200 Size would all 81 of those have been I 379 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:25,680 Guess that combined with increasing the dollar amount to 380 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 so all the applications I 381 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,799 Guess the question I'm asking is if there were 382 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:38,200 57 participants and we had 81 sorry 383 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:41,720 She doesn't let me see the rebate applications 384 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,839 Go ahead oh, I'm just I'm just wanting to 385 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:50,799 clarify all the 81 386 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,920 Residential and commercial that we received applications 387 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:57,519 Would all of those have been? 388 00:19:58,799 --> 00:19:58,799 Applications approved based upon the increase in the five 389 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:04,319 to five hundred thousand and plus the tiered 390 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,509 The smaller system. Yes had the tiered rebate been in place 391 00:20:08,509 --> 00:20:09,240 this year 392 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,769 We would have been able to do the 81 plus the one 393 00:20:11,769 --> 00:20:14,849 commercial the 82 and we would have ran out of funds at the 394 00:20:14,849 --> 00:20:15,480 beginning 395 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,480 of July 396 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,900 So the tiered is gonna allow us to help more people do 397 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:23,880 solar right 398 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:28,230 Very good point. I like that. Yeah, it's making it more 399 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:29,400 accessible to 400 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:33,670 Okay, more people. Yeah, and then so we have that changed 401 00:20:33,670 --> 00:20:36,200 so as you indicated we would be able to provide a lot more 402 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:36,839 rebates 403 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:39,579 With the tearing system and then we double down with the 404 00:20:39,579 --> 00:20:42,880 additional money to make sure that we can handle 405 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,269 The interest that's out there and that was already included 406 00:20:46,269 --> 00:20:49,640 in the budget in the it is now in the budget 407 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,559 Okay. Yeah, I was confirmed that this morning. It's there 408 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:52,799 and 409 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,400 We're gonna pretty good 410 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:02,450 Okay in the plugins how many have we had people get rebates 411 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:04,259 yet on the on the cars 412 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,230 Well, I had a Prius before having a Prius was sexy back in 413 00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:12,200 2006 so I'm just curious 414 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,950 We have not for this fiscal year, but I did receive last 415 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:20,549 week two applications for it. So those will fall. Okay this 416 00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:21,140 year 417 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,359 Thank you. Yeah, I think we had a little harsher 418 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,079 interpretation of what was in the program 419 00:21:27,299 --> 00:21:31,650 Which is you had to be all electric so like a leave. Okay, 420 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:33,440 Tesla those kinds of things and 421 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:36,240 Didn't 422 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,339 Seem like now we're gonna have a broader interpretation is 423 00:21:38,339 --> 00:21:40,599 the clarification that we're making so as 424 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,680 As a basically this point in time 425 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,279 Okay, I might have a hard time giving three hundred dollars 426 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:49,640 to somebody who can afford to Tesla. So I don't know 427 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,279 I was trying to think of another all-electric 428 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,279 Fiat 429 00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:58,759 Okay 430 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,960 Any other questions I 431 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,079 think 432 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:06,349 You know what I'm hearing is I think everybody likes the 433 00:22:06,349 --> 00:22:08,000 increased accessibility 434 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,859 Increased dollar amount. I think that's great. I'd be 435 00:22:11,859 --> 00:22:13,480 curious at some point 436 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:16,279 to know 437 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,440 How it compares to 438 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,000 You know how much dollars we allocate to this compared to 439 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,269 You know say other utilities around the area. I think we'll 440 00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:34,720 find we spend more per 441 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,279 per customer 442 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:40,039 Per meter, I guess if you will everybody want to count it 443 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,829 Liz may have that information, but let us put that together 444 00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:45,720 for you and yeah to a report and we'll ship that out 445 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,440 and one of the Friday reports and 446 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:54,119 You know going forward so we're going to be taking a hard 447 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,720 look at the program this next year 448 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,150 See if you know to take it up another notch is sort of what 449 00:22:59,150 --> 00:23:00,039 I'd like to do 450 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,000 This year we have sort of a depleted staff Liz Liz is the 451 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,319 staff at the moment 452 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,690 we've promoted a couple of our folks into other jobs in the 453 00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:12,920 city and we're hiring some some replacement folks that 454 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:16,059 At even a higher level to kind of bring some more 455 00:23:16,059 --> 00:23:18,559 experience and background into the program more excitement 456 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:19,700 and we'll try to 457 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,759 We try to take it to the next level next year. So that 458 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:24,079 should be a little more exciting 459 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,720 Than this year 460 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:29,799 Okay, thank you George. Thank you 461 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,240 Okay 462 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,890 We're also under our closed meeting this the item that's on 463 00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:41,279 there does not require any action 464 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,500 So what we'll do is if we can't move that to the end of the 465 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:45,000 meeting 466 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,119 So we'll go right into our regular meeting now 467 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,900 And start with the consent agenda and would ask if there's 468 00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:53,240 any 469 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,559 Any board member who would like to have? 470 00:23:57,319 --> 00:23:59,319 any of these items a B 471 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,240 CVE F 472 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,920 G or H pool for individual consideration. I'd like item F 473 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,539 pulled 474 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,880 And I don't see Ethan so I hope there's somebody else 475 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:20,599 Okay, all right 476 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,440 so item F 477 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,900 Would anybody else like anything else pool for individual 478 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:27,880 consideration? 479 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,309 Okay hearing none then is there a motion on the consent 480 00:24:35,309 --> 00:24:36,920 agenda I 481 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,279 Recommend approval 482 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:44,339 We have a motion to approve and a second any discussion 483 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,799 All in favor say aye aye any opposed 484 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,559 Okay individual consideration we have item F 485 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,119 And I am sure there's a good explanation 486 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,700 In looking at all the documentation it looks like we're 487 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:12,369 gonna be paying a lot more for 30 days when there was an 488 00:25:12,369 --> 00:25:12,519 alternative 489 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,079 to pay 490 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,079 $9,000 to rent one 491 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,519 and 492 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,380 And I get the whole compaction that that we're gonna save 493 00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:21,440 in the landfill space 494 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,869 But I I just still thought that maybe there's a little bit 495 00:25:24,869 --> 00:25:26,799 too much money being left on the table 496 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:31,150 So and just for clarification, did you ask about the 497 00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:32,200 possibility of renting a unit? 498 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,490 I saw in the documentation that somebody proposed we could 499 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:37,500 rent one for nine thousand dollars a month 500 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:42,170 Because we're really just gaining 30 days basically correct 501 00:25:42,170 --> 00:25:44,680 . Yeah, there's hundreds whatever and 502 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,450 And just to walk through the the presentation really quick 503 00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:50,599 that the the point that you made is 504 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:56,769 Correct. We are in a pretty bad situation right now with 505 00:25:56,769 --> 00:25:57,079 our 506 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,009 826 is both of those units are down part of the reason is 507 00:26:01,009 --> 00:26:03,710 that they had some specialized wheels added to them that 508 00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:04,119 actually 509 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,809 Were heavier and required some of them screening that would 510 00:26:08,809 --> 00:26:10,519 normally be in place to actually 511 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,480 remove the material 512 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,680 To be they were taken off and so we're pulling a lot of 513 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,470 material into our differentials and causing a lot of 514 00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:21,240 breakdowns 515 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:24,000 so since about June 30, we've been basically 516 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,069 Using a bulldozer as a means of compaction, which is not a 517 00:26:30,069 --> 00:26:31,039 good long-term solution 518 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,400 It's hard on that equipment and it's also not a very 519 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,960 efficient compactor. The 836 is are the ones that 520 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,190 were put in place by are recommended to be put in place by 521 00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:43,160 Blue Ridge and 522 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,170 Can handle a little bit more versus a little bit less as a 523 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:50,759 unit of the average waste that we're that we're getting and 524 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,220 So you're absolutely correct the airspace savings 525 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,039 with regards to the remainder of the fiscal year is 526 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,720 Substantial between the two units we're getting about 300 a 527 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,599 little bit less than 300 528 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:10,000 pounds per cubic yard out of the 836 so at an average of 529 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,299 145 tons per day that really adds up and probably the 530 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:14,319 biggest issue 531 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,099 Is the one that's that's here at the bottom at five years 532 00:27:18,099 --> 00:27:19,880 of operation of an 836 533 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,190 We'll actually gain about 11 months of additional landfill 534 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:23,480 time 535 00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:28,630 Compared to the use of the 830s or 826s rather with the 536 00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:29,279 heavier wheels 537 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,920 so 538 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,759 looking at the net benefit loss as you stated 539 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:41,279 By gaining that estimated period of time. We'll be able to 540 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,799 More than make up the the difference between the units the 541 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,000 the cat is also 542 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,039 a competitive vid versus a quote like we got for the BOMAG 543 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:53,799 and and all John because it's on a 544 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,150 Cooperative buy board and then we've also got a preference 545 00:27:58,150 --> 00:28:01,559 for the cat units because they're the ones that we have 546 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960 used in the past so 547 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,900 That was our rationale for getting the 548 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,039 giving the 549 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:11,279 staff 550 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,640 Direction of proceeding with the purchase of the Caterp 551 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,700 illar model 836 with regards to a rental 552 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:19,839 I'm gonna have to rely on 553 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,710 Randall Morris the landfill manager. I think that the short 554 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:26,000 answer to that is that the 555 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:28,960 availability of those 556 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,279 Compactors is is such that we would not be able to likely 557 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,680 get one in but I'll I'll let Randall go on to the details 558 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,680 Good morning 559 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,880 During this a quoting process BOMAG 560 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,670 Has offered us they are taking in a it's a smaller compact 561 00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:48,079 or. They're taking in in on trade 562 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:50,880 Through their process and they said they could have it 563 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,720 available for us to rent here in the near future 564 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,700 It's not available right now as we speak, but it will be 565 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,000 available in the future 566 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,029 Hopefully we'll have one of our machines back up and 567 00:29:02,029 --> 00:29:02,880 operational 568 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,789 Before that before the need for that one or before it's 569 00:29:05,789 --> 00:29:08,000 available. I guess I would like to say 570 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,660 So where where do the numbers for the 571 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,400 efficiency of the 572 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,519 836 K and the 573 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,779 airspace savings who did who did those numbers? 574 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,299 It was actually Scott Libsack and Lee and we and I helped 575 00:29:32,299 --> 00:29:33,839 out with it a little bit 576 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,819 We got a bunch of the numbers out of the Caterpillar 577 00:29:35,819 --> 00:29:36,880 performance handbook 578 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,740 And I also got a spreadsheet from Holt Kat on what the 836 579 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:44,000 was capable of, you know doing compaction wise 580 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,519 Okay, so you're comfortable. Yes, sir 581 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,900 Yes, sir, okay, okay, and the 836 was the recommendation 582 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,660 out of the solid waste consulting. Yes 583 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,079 I mean I agree with the 584 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,970 Model that you're gonna be using and to stay with Caterp 585 00:29:59,970 --> 00:30:02,720 illar because then you don't have you know 586 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,960 Two different parts and fleet and all that. Yes 587 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,880 I just needed to ask the question 588 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,339 Because that was a and the 826 is are actually overworked, 589 00:30:11,339 --> 00:30:13,279 you know per our tonnage that we take per day 590 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:17,630 They're way overworked the one 836 can almost take the 591 00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:20,519 place of two 826 is that we have basically 592 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,880 Thank you, thank you you're welcome 593 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,799 You think else I will move approval 594 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,150 Just had to ask we have a motion to approve item F second 595 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:36,200 and a second any further discussion 596 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,119 All in favor say aye. Aye any opposed 597 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,250 Next we have item a which is consider approval to public 598 00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:49,640 utility board meeting minutes of July 23rd 599 00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:52,759 2018 600 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,599 Sorry, okay, that's all right 601 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,839 We have a motion to approve the minutes. Is there a second? 602 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960 second and a second 603 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:05,599 discussion 604 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:11,460 Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed any abstentions 605 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Okay, thank you 606 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,420 Item B is to consider recommending adoption of an ordinance 607 00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:22,720 of the city of Denton, Texas 608 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,539 Authorizing the city manager or his designee to execute an 609 00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:29,960 advanced funding agreement in the amount of six million 610 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,500 864 thousand nine hundred seventy nine dollars and ninety 611 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,019 eight cents 612 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,960 by in between the state of Texas 613 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:40,740 Acting through the Texas Department of Transportation and 614 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:43,640 the city of Denton regarding water and wastewater 615 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,599 improvements 616 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,279 associated with the US 617 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,240 377-roadway widening project 618 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,839 That was the short version of that catch. Oh, thank you. I 619 00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,559 appreciate that. Could we not have squeezed two more cents 620 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:56,759 out? 621 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,670 Good morning members of the pub. I'm Chad Allen deputy city 622 00:32:01,670 --> 00:32:02,200 engineer 623 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,730 And yes, my presentation is about the four-orth drive 624 00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:07,859 utility relocations project and it's associated with the 625 00:32:07,859 --> 00:32:08,640 text dot us 626 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,349 377-roadway widening project. Welcome to the BV. Good 627 00:32:12,349 --> 00:32:12,640 morning 628 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,059 Specifically I'm going to ask that you approve the 629 00:32:19,059 --> 00:32:21,900 execution of an advanced funding agreement in a fa 630 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,519 It's between the city of Denton and text dot and it's 631 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,740 regarding our water and wastewater utilities that have to 632 00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:28,559 be moved out of the right 633 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:29,660 of way 634 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:34,009 The amount of the agreement is six point eight six million 635 00:32:34,009 --> 00:32:34,500 dollars 636 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,779 I'm going to talk about that later in the presentation 637 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,519 But we're gonna make two payments in the agreement 638 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,660 The first payment is going to be paid from city of Denton 639 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:44,900 funds and the amount of three point eight six million 640 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:45,440 dollars 641 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,680 And then we expect to receive additional RTR funding 642 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,849 regional total revenue funding from net cog and the amount 643 00:32:51,849 --> 00:32:53,720 of three million dollars to complete 644 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,599 the 645 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:56,599 agreement 646 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,089 So this map shows the limits of the text up project it 647 00:33:00,089 --> 00:33:03,119 starts on the north end at I 35 East and it extends to the 648 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:03,359 south 649 00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:06,019 South of Country Club Road or FM 1830 650 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,089 Text out is going to widen the two-lane road to a six lane 651 00:33:09,089 --> 00:33:11,880 concrete roadway with the raised median 652 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,660 They're gonna install traffic signal improvements at 653 00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:15,799 various intersections 654 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,779 They're going to construct a storm drain system and replace 655 00:33:18,779 --> 00:33:19,880 the roadside ditches 656 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,490 And then they're gonna build sidewalks along both sides of 657 00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:24,640 the roads road throughout the project limits 658 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,039 Before any of that happens, we have to move our utilities 659 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,660 outside of the text out right of way. So 660 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,160 We're gonna move all of our utilities so that they do not 661 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,019 conflict with the text on improvements any of the text out 662 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,920 Improvements and every now and then we're gonna construct 663 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,259 new crossings of water and sewer lines across the right of 664 00:33:42,259 --> 00:33:42,440 way 665 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,319 We have to do all of that before text. Dot can start the 666 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:46,119 roadway work 667 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,000 In order to pay for that we have to enter into an advanced 668 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,279 funding agreement because we're putting our 669 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,180 Construction plans in with the text out plans and it's 670 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:56,680 going to be one bid package 671 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,680 We hired a consultant they designed our plans 672 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,319 We combined them with the text dot plans and then they bid 673 00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,319 it out to a contractor and the text out contractor is going 674 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:06,640 to build 675 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,559 our utility work 676 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:10,539 We're gonna pay for that with the advanced funding 677 00:34:10,539 --> 00:34:10,980 agreement 678 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:14,369 We're gonna give money to text out upfront so that they can 679 00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:17,039 pay their contractor to move our utilities 680 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:23,420 So on July 9th, I brought a draft version of the advanced 681 00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:26,239 funding agreement here to PB for your consideration 682 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,139 At the time the amount of the aFA was based on our 683 00:34:30,139 --> 00:34:32,460 consultants construction cost estimate 684 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:35,760 And at the time on July 9th, we estimated the cost to be 685 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,119 three point two million dollars 686 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,690 The very next day the very next day after I told you it was 687 00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:46,480 gonna be three point two million dollars text dot received 688 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:48,599 bids for the project 689 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,639 There were nine bids for the project the low bidder for the 690 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,960 overall project was SEMA construction, Inc 691 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,230 They had a total bid of forty three point six two million 692 00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:59,900 dollars that includes all of the roadway work and the 693 00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:00,559 utility work 694 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,260 So here's a list of the bids SEMA's listed on top. They're 695 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:07,000 the low bidder their overall bid was low 696 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,340 Was the lowest and it's forty three point six two million 697 00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:10,920 dollars 698 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,019 Unfortunately when you looked at their bid and you took you 699 00:35:14,019 --> 00:35:15,960 looked at the public utility items 700 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,179 They had a very high bid for the public utility work six 701 00:35:19,179 --> 00:35:21,000 point one million dollars 702 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,820 Which was almost three million more dollars than what we 703 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:25,940 anticipated the public utilities to cost 704 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,239 So I just wanted to show you that all of the utility bids 705 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,360 aren't that high 706 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,079 Bidder number four Austin Bridge and Road had a three point 707 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:35,280 five million dollar bid for the public utility work 708 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,920 We know them more as a utility contractor 709 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,769 Their numbers were very close to our estimates, but we're 710 00:35:41,769 --> 00:35:43,480 obligated to pay as part of the F 711 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,760 AFA six point one million dollars for the utility 712 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,599 improvements because text dot has to select this low bidder 713 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:51,760 SEMA construction, Inc 714 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,599 So right when the bids were opened we realized the utility 715 00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:58,880 numbers are very high 716 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,059 Unfortunately, all of our the other stakeholders in the 717 00:36:02,059 --> 00:36:03,539 project realize the same thing 718 00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:06,059 we immediately reached out to text out with our concerns 719 00:36:06,059 --> 00:36:07,980 about the high bids for the utility work and 720 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,920 Text on and net cog and Denton County and us at the city 721 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,820 We all agree that the low bidder the overall low bidder for 722 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:18,239 the project had unreasonably high bids for the utility work 723 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,599 . So 724 00:36:19,179 --> 00:36:21,960 We went to text on and net cog for a solution 725 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,800 Everyone agreed that yes 726 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,039 those it's those costs are unreasonable and that we and so 727 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,079 what net cog proposed to do was to go to the regional 728 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,360 transportation council and 729 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,840 Seek approval of an additional three million dollars in RTR 730 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,840 funding to cover the cost of the additional utility work 731 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,739 So all of our stakeholders are on board with that solution 732 00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:43,039 at the October 2018 meeting 733 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,170 We fully expect the additional three million dollars in RTR 734 00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:48,480 funds to be approved for use on this project 735 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,840 Seema's bid for the utility work is this number right here 736 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,429 6.1, but that's not all we're obligated to pay as part of 737 00:36:57,429 --> 00:36:58,000 the aFA 738 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,059 Text out asked us to add additional costs and basically it 739 00:37:01,059 --> 00:37:04,239 amounts to 12% additional on top of the utility bid 740 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,869 It's 2% for barricades 5% for mobilization and 5% for 741 00:37:07,869 --> 00:37:12,380 contingency. So the total amount of the aFA is the utility 742 00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:12,440 bid 743 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,500 Plus an additional 12% which winds up being six point eight 744 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,679 six million dollars 745 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,519 again 746 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,260 The city will be obligated to pay three point eight six 747 00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:24,880 million and then we expect to get additional funding 748 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,960 RTR funding from net cog that makes up the other three 749 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,480 million 750 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,030 So this is how it's proposed to work and this is the 751 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:33,400 agreement that text is going to sign with us 752 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,550 The advanced funding agreement sets out the terms and 753 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:39,110 conditions for payment and right now it says that we're 754 00:37:39,110 --> 00:37:39,800 gonna make two incremental 755 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,469 Payments to the state the first one we will pay right after 756 00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:43,840 hopefully 757 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,099 Pub agrees to the aFA and so does council tomorrow will 758 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:50,199 immediately send a check to text out in the amount of three 759 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:51,659 point eight six million dollars 760 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,909 After that we'll receive the additional funding from net 761 00:37:54,909 --> 00:37:57,119 cog of three million dollars and we'll make the final 762 00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:58,159 payment to text dot 763 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,400 honor before February 16th after we receive those 764 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,519 additional funds 765 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,550 So we expect this to be the total amount of money that we 766 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:07,719 have to pay for the project 767 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,500 The only reason we would have to pay more than the six 768 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,369 point eight six million is if we ask the contractor to do 769 00:38:13,369 --> 00:38:14,199 additional work 770 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,360 If we asked for a change order and we requested it we would 771 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,119 have to pay for that 772 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:20,519 But right now we think the total amount we're gonna have to 773 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,480 pay is the six point eight six million dollars 774 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,239 So 775 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,769 What I'm asking you to do is to recommend adoption of an 776 00:38:27,769 --> 00:38:29,880 ordinance that allows the advanced funding agreement to be 777 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,159 executed between the city and 778 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,750 text dot in the amount of six million eight hundred and 779 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:37,719 sixty four thousand nine hundred and seventy nine dollars 780 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,780 And ninety eight cents for the Fort Worth Drive utility 781 00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:43,570 relocation project and I'll be happy to answer any 782 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:45,079 questions if you have any 783 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,800 Questions I have one what if we don't get the three million 784 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,679 dollars 785 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,000 That's a good question 786 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,400 I can't tell you one hundred percent that we're going to 787 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,039 get the money 788 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,780 But all of our stakeholders including Michael Morris and 789 00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:02,519 net cog and Denton County and text dot 790 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,639 They attend the RTC meetings and they vote at the meetings 791 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,199 and we have all of their support to get this funny 792 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:11,059 Everyone realizes that this is such a very important 793 00:39:11,059 --> 00:39:12,880 project for the overall region 794 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,869 Everyone's on board to making the project happen and if we 795 00:39:15,869 --> 00:39:17,480 don't get those additional funds 796 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,699 It's going it could cause serious delay in the project 797 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,219 Text dot could probably have to bid the project again or 798 00:39:24,219 --> 00:39:25,920 some other solution would have to happen 799 00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,579 No one in the region wants that to happen. No one wants 800 00:39:29,579 --> 00:39:30,800 this project not to happen 801 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,320 I'm very certain 802 00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:36,969 For the utility work was so high because that's not what 803 00:39:36,969 --> 00:39:37,480 they do 804 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,539 Exactly. That's exactly it. So on that list there was big 805 00:39:41,539 --> 00:39:42,639 roadway contractors 806 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,239 And then there was more contractors who do a lot of utility 807 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:45,519 work 808 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:48,400 We feel like a big roadway contractor won the project 809 00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,840 They are gonna hire a subcontractor to the utility work 810 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,469 that subcontractor came in with high prices and then the 811 00:39:54,469 --> 00:39:55,639 general marked it up again 812 00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,820 Yeah that or they use the utility work 813 00:39:58,820 --> 00:40:01,239 Which is done in the very front of the project to just get 814 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,519 more cash on hand at the beginning of the project 815 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,000 Sometimes contractors do that. Yeah, I feel like it's a 816 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,480 combination of those two things 817 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:14,360 So the advanced funding agreement is not contingent upon 818 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:18,920 Or is it contingent upon receiving approval? 819 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,480 That's that's correct basically all it says is we will make 820 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,599 two payments the first one immediately 821 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,599 3.86 million and then the second they delayed the date 822 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,559 until after we would get the funds approved from the RTC 823 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:35,960 and after we would receive 824 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,300 Those funds and so we don't have to make that second 825 00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:41,019 payment until February. I'm very confident. We're gonna get 826 00:40:41,019 --> 00:40:42,260 that additional three million dollars 827 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:47,619 Miss Chad mentioned we do expect the funds to come from cog 828 00:40:47,619 --> 00:40:49,559 , but for some reason that would not occur 829 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,880 As you know, we're approving the agreement. We are on the 830 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,639 hook for the project 831 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,000 We'd come back with a solution of potentially how to rest 832 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,300 ructure our capital program or how to come up with those 833 00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:59,239 funds internally 834 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,400 We don't expect that to be the case 835 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,400 But if it were we'll come back to you with a solution and 836 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,559 talk that through give you those options 837 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,429 It's the entire project is gonna take two to two and a half 838 00:41:14,429 --> 00:41:15,800 years so 839 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,579 They're expecting to start in November of 2018. So it'd be 840 00:41:19,579 --> 00:41:22,360 November 2020 or early 2021 841 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,199 The utilities will be done first in about 11 months 842 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,980 Should be green it is green there you go. That's it now. It 843 00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:38,679 's always been green 844 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,440 I don't really see we have a whole lot of 845 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,760 Choices here really 846 00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,710 Dollars that we I mean how badly would it impact all of our 847 00:42:01,710 --> 00:42:03,699 capital projects? Yeah 848 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,869 Well, that's certainly a lot of money it would have an 849 00:42:08,869 --> 00:42:10,760 impact at this point 850 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,090 We're proceeding thinking that we're going to get the funds 851 00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:16,920 from the RTR and from cog as we've described to you 852 00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,210 But it would be an impact. Absolutely for some other 853 00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:22,590 projects, but we'd hopefully be able to restructure 854 00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:23,480 projects brings 855 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,250 Maybe delay some other projects that we had and bring funds 856 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:29,130 forward to make this happen. This is a priority project for 857 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:29,280 us 858 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,199 It's ready to go and it's long long overdue 859 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,349 I don't suppose the public utility portion can be extracted 860 00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:40,880 from the overall bid and bid separately 861 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,440 so 862 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,150 It would be possible to take that work out and rebid it 863 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:49,920 again and constructed it by some other methods and not use 864 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,400 the textile 865 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,170 Contractor, but that would cause about 18 months of delay 866 00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:54,320 for the textile project 867 00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:57,030 Then they would have to rebid their project and in 18 868 00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:59,679 months their prices are gonna be way more higher than this 869 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:00,079 additional 870 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,820 $3 million for the job. Everybody understands that and that 871 00:43:03,820 --> 00:43:06,750 that delay would really hurt them much more financially 872 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:07,500 than this would 873 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,599 And just to lighten it how will I get to mr. Frosty? 874 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,760 We need to make sure there's a good detail 875 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,760 Hopefully text on is considered that 876 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,360 Well, I 877 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,360 think this this is a 878 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,119 Big project and it's been it has been on the drawing board 879 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:36,480 for a long time. I know we've talked about it in 880 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,360 bond committees for probably 881 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,599 20 years and 882 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,800 You know text dot is bearing the brunt of the cost of 883 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,840 It's a much more 884 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,650 much better project than then, you know, if we were of 885 00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:58,090 course we couldn't really widen the state road anyway, but 886 00:43:58,090 --> 00:43:58,599 I know 887 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,809 Some of the history of it is it goes back to the 888 00:44:01,809 --> 00:44:05,639 replacement of the railroad underpass text dots 889 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,280 taking all that 890 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,239 cost on 891 00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:14,960 So yeah, it's it is what it is 892 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,639 It's the I'm on now, right? 893 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,429 Is the 3.8 coming out of the most recent bond or is it what 894 00:44:23,429 --> 00:44:25,400 where the funds coming for the three? 895 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,639 So these are utility bonds utility revenue funds 896 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,829 There's money in the accounts to pay for that 3.8 6 million 897 00:44:32,829 --> 00:44:34,760 today. We have to send text out a check 898 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,239 Immediately after the City Council meeting tomorrow 899 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,099 Well, it sounds like you're confident the other three 900 00:44:41,099 --> 00:44:42,960 millions gonna come I'm very confident 901 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,960 I don't want y'all to think that that's not gonna happen 902 00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:47,880 Okay 903 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,199 I'm excited about the project. Like you said, yeah 904 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,280 I was disturbed by this little hiccup, especially after 905 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,590 since it happened right after the last pub meeting that was 906 00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:56,880 a shame 907 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,880 But we're about to get it resolved 908 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,239 And it sounds like a good solution. So 909 00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,960 Okay, well the comments 910 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,199 Do we have a motion then on item B 911 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,920 I'll move approval 912 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,719 Motion and a second to approve item B 913 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,599 Any discussion I just want to recommend I don't want to 914 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:24,079 sound like 915 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,889 Doomsday here, but I'd like to recommend that we start 916 00:45:27,889 --> 00:45:31,260 thinking about other options for funding before October 917 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:32,000 rolls around 918 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,699 You know just so that we're not caught by it 919 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,159 That's a good idea. That's a good point 920 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,460 Okay, any other discussion all in favor say aye aye any 921 00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:46,559 opposed 922 00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:50,599 Okay, thank you 923 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,110 Next we have item C which is ACM update. Good morning. Mr. 924 00:46:00,110 --> 00:46:01,119 Chairman members of the board 925 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,920 Not much to report in your packet. There is a memo that 926 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,800 Indic that provides you a summary of all the utility rate 927 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,800 decreases and that are being recommended for fiscal year 928 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:18,880 1819 the only area that is not being decreased is the 929 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:21,639 is the 930 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,239 Excuse me is within the water fund. So all the other items 931 00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:28,940 Utilities electric wastewater solid waste are all being 932 00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:30,719 decreased for this next fiscal year 933 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,590 So if you have any questions, we have representatives from 934 00:46:33,590 --> 00:46:36,000 finance here that can help answer any any detailed 935 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,199 questions that you may have 936 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:41,460 But very good news for didn't repairs this next year 937 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,280 nothing further 938 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,920 Very good 939 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,300 Okay, we will before we go into closed session I guess we 940 00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:56,099 'll ask through any 941 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,219 Concluding Adams under section 551 942 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,159 102 the Texas Open Meetings Act is to respond to inquiries 943 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,630 from the public utilities board or the public with specific 944 00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:09,559 factual information 945 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,099 Arrest station of policy or accepted proposal to place a 946 00:47:13,099 --> 00:47:16,059 matter on the agenda for an upcoming meeting 947 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,840 I just have a quick question 948 00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:27,110 Mine is really a simple question. I don't know if it falls 949 00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:28,800 under those guidelines there 950 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,590 But it does does anybody know if Spencer station came 951 00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:33,760 online when it got really hot last month 952 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,360 I'd heard that Spencer station was being mothballed 953 00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,139 But when I rode by there on my scooter the other day it 954 00:47:41,139 --> 00:47:43,739 felt like the cooling towers were operating 955 00:47:43,739 --> 00:47:46,150 But I don't know you might have we handle that in closed 956 00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:47,199 session. I have an answer 957 00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,469 Okay, given that somebody else's power plant and whether it 958 00:47:51,469 --> 00:47:54,110 runs or doesn't run is kind of competitive in the 959 00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:54,960 marketplace 960 00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:59,360 Just over but it was really just an observational question 961 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,639 I don't really need to know if it was performing well or 962 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:04,440 anything like that on or off I guess but that's okay 963 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,679 I'm just so no we do okay. We'll catch it right away. That 964 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:09,119 's not on the agenda for today 965 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,250 But we can look at trying to give you some information. 966 00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:13,469 Okay. Well, I guess I just thought maybe it fell under 967 00:48:13,469 --> 00:48:14,719 factual information 968 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,119 Yes, it was on no, it wasn't 969 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,510 Okay, okay then mine is on July 23rd in the Wall Street 970 00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:25,480 Journal there was an article on 971 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,690 Russian hackers reach US utility control systems Homeland 972 00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:31,599 Security officials say so 973 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,820 Can we have a report on what we're doing to make sure that 974 00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:35,760 that isn't? 975 00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,619 happening, I don't know that probably has to be closed 976 00:48:38,619 --> 00:48:40,760 session, but you know check with Larry and 977 00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,820 Obviously, we don't want everybody to know what we're doing 978 00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:45,840 . But I'd like to know what we're doing 979 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,559 At least when I was doing something right 980 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:57,000 Okay, any other items for future agenda or for future 981 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,639 agenda items 982 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,920 Okay, if not we will convene the 983 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,639 Closed session at 984 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,159 948 to consider the following items