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2018 Public Utilities Board meeting to order. We have a qu

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orum and it's six

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o'clock. First items we have are going to be work session

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items so we'll start

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off with work session item A which is receive a report,

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hold a discussion and

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give staff direction regarding a review of the solid waste

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department's landfill

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and collection operations by Blue Ridge Services Inc. Good

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evening members of the

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board my name is Ethan Cox I'm the director of solid waste

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for the city of

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Denton. It's my pleasure to bring this item to you tonight.

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We have Blue Ridge

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Services here with us. I'll give them a bit of an

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introduction in just a moment

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but I want to give you a little bit of background on this

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item before we get

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started. So as most of you are aware over the last 13 to 14

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months we've

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basically done what we call kind of a series of diagnostic

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checks on a number

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of programs and the general health of the solid waste

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department. A number of

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those items like landfill mining, compressed natural gas

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fueling, a lot of

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that's been brought to the board and the council already.

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As we've kind of gone

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through these last few months we wanted to bring in some

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outside assistance to

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help us kind of cover the gamut of the remaining operations

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that we have out

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there. In addition we also felt it's necessary to kind of

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assess our

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organizational structure in our staffing for some of our

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more critical

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services and so we contract with Blue Ridge Services to

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kind of help us along

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in that manner. The purpose of this was just to do that is

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to take a look at our

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operations and kind of compare us to industry standard. It

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doesn't mean that

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industry standards right and we're incorrect it just simply

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means where do

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we fall in terms of other solid waste operations and so the

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report that you

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have in front of you tonight is fairly dense. You also will

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be provided a copy

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of the full report which is about a hundred pages. The way

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that Blue Ridge is

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going to go through this is by operations. Once they get

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done with their

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side of the presentation I'll return to the podium. These

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are a little bit

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different than some of the other presentations that you

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receive. There's

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both programs being evaluated there's also operational

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suggestions. So when I

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return to the podium I'll kind of break out management's

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response number one to

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the programs give you an idea of what to expect next and

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also give you an idea of

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where we stand with a lot of the operational

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recommendations in the

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report. So with that I'm going to go ahead introduce our

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speakers tonight.

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First up is Neil Bolton. He's the president of Blue Ridge

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Services. More

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than 40 years of experience in solid waste industry. I

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visited hundreds of

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landfills seeing quite a bit of the types of operations

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that we run in his

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day. In addition he's also the author of several

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operational and safety handbooks.

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We have several on site at our operation and most folks in

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the solid waste

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industry are very familiar with the training. His product

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speaks for itself.

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Instructor 200 plus training classes across the US and

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abroad. Also with

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us this evening is Ron Proto. He got 50 plus years

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experience in solid waste

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industry really focused on the collection side of the house

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. He's

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currently the president of the Ron Proto consulting group

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as an engineering

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manager and also runs acts as a group manager in some solid

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waste operations in

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San Francisco. So it's my distinct pleasure to welcome him

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to the podium

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and I'll turn it over to Neil.

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Thank you. So my name is Neil Bolton. As Ethan said I've

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been in the waste

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business a long time. I've probably been to something north

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of 500 landfills and

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many hundred other types of waste facilities. So what we're

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going to talk

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about here today is it's kind of the results of an

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operational assessment or

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review kind of a boots-on-the-ground look at the facility

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where we evaluate a

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lot of your data but also just observe your operations. Ron

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and I and another

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person from our company, Kasem, we spent four days total on

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site so we were all

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there for about a week observing your operations,

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collections, landfill, the

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whole process and that's what we're going to be talking

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about today to just kind

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of give you an overview of where we are.

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So we started off the way we normally do just submitting

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questionnaires and

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gathering a lot of data. You guys have a lot of information

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that included the

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collections and the landfill operations. We also did what

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we normally do is the

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operations and safety review. So as a consulting company we

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're the guys who

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kind of fit in between. We'll come in behind the time when

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a facility is

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designed or operated and look at how it's being operated.

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practical aspect of that. So late March the three of us

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were here and see if I

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can get this to roll the right way. The three areas that we

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looked at and that

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we're going to talk about tonight are the landfill

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collections and then sort

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of the solid waste system in general in terms of the

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overall process. So we're

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going to start by talking about the landfill. The landfill

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tonnage has

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increased continually. This follows kind of the same

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pattern that we see in many

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other areas where the waste generation continues to

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increase. We see this in

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areas where there's a lot of growth, a lot of development

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and we also find that

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along with that same pattern recycling may be increasing as

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well in some areas.

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The department has instituted a lot of ancillary services

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so we're not just

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collecting in the landfill but there are a lot of other

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operations that are sort

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of integrated into that and we're going to talk about some

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of those tonight in

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terms of some that make sense and some that actually in our

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opinion don't make

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sense. So there's been a lot of growth and as tonnage

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increases that generally

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means revenue increases and when you look at the waste

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industry in general as

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a whole nationally there are lots of opportunities to do

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other things with

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waste besides just landfill and so your operation has has

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done some of those

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things and in some cases you know we found some ineffic

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iencies with how those

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are working. So part of the process is being able to plan

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ahead and we're going

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to talk about some planning recommendations that we have in

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regard

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to the landfill itself. There are three key areas one is

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what we call a soil

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management plan but that's really a strategic long-term

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development plan. I

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can give you an example for those of you that are familiar

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with the site or have

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been to the landfill or seen photos of the landfill. What

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here is being able to strategically as though we were

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playing chess with all

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those pieces out there determine when we're going to reach

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certain areas. So

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you have a new line that you've just constructed there's a

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big pile of soil

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that came from that excavation and the question of where

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that soil is and where

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we put asphalt and concrete rubble and where we put other

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materials is very

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important because we see regularly facilities especially

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those that are

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growing fast and doing a lot of development all at once end

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up putting

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some materials in maybe less than the perfect strategic

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location to the point

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where sometimes have to be moved twice and so there are

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some planning goals

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that we think we could put into place there that make that

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more efficient so

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that you know strategically when you're going to fill a

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certain area and how

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much soil you will need for that area and how much concrete

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or asphalt rubble

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you might need for the access roads and the tipping pads to

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service that area

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and then what comes next when do we get to the next point

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and having those

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details would be very important. We'll talk a minute in a

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minute just about how

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airspace is currently being utilized at the site and we're

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not as efficient as

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we could be we could do a better job we could we could

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improve our operations to

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be able to consume less airspace by being more strategic

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about how we fill

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and how we compact trash and how we cover the trash and

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that sort of ties

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into all of this. The next recommendation in terms of a

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plan is for an annual fill

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sequence plan so one of the things that happens is when we

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asked some of the

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folks on the ground where are you going to be filling next

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week or next month or

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next wet season we didn't get consistent answers and what

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that tells us is we

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really don't know where we're going to go next we're just

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kind of filling the

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next active available place without any pre-planning so let

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me give you an

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example of how that would work. If we knew that during the

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next wet season or

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12 months from now during the whenever we have to be

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someplace where we can

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travel and have access during a wet period if we knew where

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that was going to

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be we could strategically build the base for that out of

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waste get it covered and

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then when asphalt and concrete rubble comes into the site

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we could direct

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customers to go to that location and dump it so that it's

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where we're going

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to need it. Right now we're dumping it in a central

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location we're processing it

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we're hauling up to the top of the hill and then we're

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distributing from there

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and so we handle that material multiple times at a fairly

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high cost and there

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are just more efficient ways of doing that but that

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requires that we plan ahead

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again to know where we're going to be next. This is a this

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is common concept

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for anybody in the construction business not just moving

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trash or moving soil but

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if you're building a building where do you put materials so

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that during the

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right place at the right time. The last part excuse me part

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of a very small piece

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of this is just having those wet weather tipping pads those

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areas where we can

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unload during the wet season set ahead of time. When we

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were there we were

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coming off the back end of a few days of rain and we were

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pulling trucks in and

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having some issues with that and so those are things that

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we can we can

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solve through better planning and just being more strategic

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about how we move

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those chess pieces around on site. So this just gives a

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little more detail on

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that I'm going to skip through this stuff. We get a lot of

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rubble a lot of

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concrete and asphalt rubble comes into the site and we go

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through a number of

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processes we stockpile it and we screen it and we move it

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and we crush it and

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we do a number of different things where we have an outside

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contractor come in

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and crush it. We do a number of different things and in the

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end we come up with a

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fairly in the construction industry if you were in the road

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business you'd say

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hey that's a nice material for me to use for my roads but

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we're in the landfill

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business and so we don't necessarily need to have that fine

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material that fine

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gravel for creating roads because it doesn't last nearly as

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long as some of

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the concrete and asphalt rubble that comes in if we could

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just use it in bulk.

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So if we can use chunks of asphalt and concrete that are

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this size you would

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never put this on a residential road or on your driveway

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but at a landfill where

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we're building on trash and so the base of what we're

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building on is pretty soft

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and we also have trucks and heavy equipment that are

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driving up those

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roads and into the dirt and into the mud and then back on

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the road and very

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quickly as we saw during our time there the road becomes

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pretty well covered with

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mud so we're spending a lot of money to process and touch

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that concrete and

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asphalt rubble multiple times to get it to a product that's

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not the ideal product.

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It would be better for us to use it almost as it comes in

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aside from very

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large pieces of curb and gutter and concrete with rebar in

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it and the more

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we can use that material just as is the less handling costs

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we have and actually

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the more durable our roads would be. And so some processed

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material could be

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beneficial in terms of covering roads and capping, topping

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off roads that are

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getting more traffic just vehicle traffic but in terms of a

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landfill

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operation that doesn't that doesn't make sense for us. On

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top of it we're not

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making any money with this with this rubble gravel

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processing operation where

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we crush rubble and create a product from it. Partly

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because it's so expensive

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to do that. Partly because we're taking it in at a rate

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that may be a bit low

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and we're selling at a rate that's also low and doesn't

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cover our costs and

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we're frankly taking in way more material than we need to

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have. So what

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normally happens at most facilities is that we'll identify

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again through this

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good pre-planning process how much of that material, how

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much rubble concrete

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and asphalt and maybe some processed gravel that we're

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going to need and we

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take in that amount. Here's here's what happens at other

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landfills not all but

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many other landfills. They'll identify how much of that

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material they need and

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once they've received that amount of material the gate rate

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increases because

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now it's not something that we are reusing to some benefit

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it's not a

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beneficial reuse material it's actually coming into our

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site we don't need it we

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don't maybe want it and we're losing money in processing it

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. So at some point

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we don't need to take in as much as we're taking in. If you

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've been to the

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site recently when we were there the end of March there's

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quite a large pile of

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unprocessed concrete and asphalt rubble and there's quite a

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large pile of

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processed material and frankly it's just more than we need

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to have and so there

347
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may be some benefits to being able to adjust the rates and

348
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close the valve on

349
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that material so to speak because we are losing some money

350
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in that process. We

351
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also have a building material recovery facility known as

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the BMR and the BMR is

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a recycling facility where vehicles come in cell fall

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vehicles they dump their

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trash on a concrete pad and then that material gets

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processed. Some metal gets

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pulled out some materials get extracted from that most of

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that material then

359
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goes through the process where it's shredded or ground up

360
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at that facility

361
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then it grows across a pick line an outside pick line it's

362
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basically a

363
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conveyor belt where people could stand there and pull recy

364
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clables out of it's a

365
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fairly common recycling process it's very labor-intensive.

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When we were there

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there was a lot of material passing through the system it

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was all being

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processed and ground up and what we found was that the

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recycling benefit was

371
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minimal 10% or less very very minimal amount of recycling

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going on there to

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the point that we actually observed one of the large excav

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ators it has a grapple

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on it called an orange peel grapple and it would it was we

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watched it pick up a

377
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piece of pipe that was about six feet long just a piece of

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plumbing pipe pick

379
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it up and drop it and reach down and pick it up again and

380
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finally move it

381
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that's a lot of equipment for a very minimal amount of

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recycling and one of

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the understandings that we had in reading through one of

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the proformas

385
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and some of the background on that BMR site was that by

386
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processing the trash by

387
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shredding it and grinding it up before we haul it to the

388
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landfill and landfill

389
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it and bury it and compact it that we would get a lot

390
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better compaction rate

391
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that is simply just not true in fact the compaction rate

392
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that we're achieving is

393
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below industry standard even facilities that that don't pre

394
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-process that so

395
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we're bringing waste material in we're dumping it we're

396
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pushing it in a pile

397
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we're picking it up and sorting through it we're putting it

398
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in a shredder we're

399
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running it through the shredder across a conveyor into a

400
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truck and we're hauling

401
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it to the landfill to process it and we're doing all of

402
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that work and we're

403
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getting less result than if we just sent that mature

404
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directly to the landfill and

405
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compacted it properly and part of the reason for that is

406
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that the compactors

407
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and I'll get to that in a minute the compactors then the

408
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steel-wheeled

409
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landfill compactors are not being used effectively and that

410
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's not a criticism

411
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on the operators at all it's just that the space allowed in

412
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our work pattern is

413
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not adequate I'll get to that in just a minute so the the

414
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BMR is also similarly

415
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losing money and we see no way that it's going to make

416
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money with the current

417
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process that it has so there is a small amount of diversion

418
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that is happening

419
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there but the sheer amount of equipment and effort and the

420
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number of times we

421
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touch that material is problematic for it's just costing us

422
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more than it needs

423
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to cost so just as a kind of set the tone for where we're

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going to be going

425
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from here on a very basic level a landfill can receive

426
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waste and push it

427
00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,309
and pack it and cover it that's a basic landfill operation

428
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but you can also do

429
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a lot of diversion activities you can divert concrete and

430
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asphalt rubble and

431
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you can push it in a pile and you can dump it through it gr

432
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isly and you can

433
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grind it and you can screen it and you can make a product

434
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and you can move it

435
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around you can do those things in the same way you can find

436
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recyclable

437
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commodities like what's coming out to BMR basically trash

438
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and you can process

439
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that with a lot of equipment and just because you can do

440
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that doesn't mean that

441
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economically or practically you should do that we see this

442
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same thing I was at

443
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a site a landfill in Colorado last week they have a very

444
00:16:14,789 --> 00:16:16,320
extensive composting

445
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operation and anything organic can be composted and it

446
00:16:19,669 --> 00:16:21,340
looks great on the

447
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front end and when you go to the back of the landfill they

448
00:16:23,210 --> 00:16:24,000
have piles and piles

449
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and piles of compost that can't be marketed because people

450
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don't want

451
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compost from the landfill for whatever reason in that

452
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region they don't want it

453
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so just because you can do something doesn't mean that you

454
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should or that it's

455
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gonna make economic sense so we think that the concrete and

456
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asphalt rubble

457
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operation and the BMR should be discontinued or at least

458
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drastically

459
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modified to the point where they are more functional and

460
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more cost-effective

461
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and you said there's only 10% that was truly recyclable in

462
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all the BMR I

463
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believe that's correct and I think Ethan ran a separate

464
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comparison and verified

465
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that that's in the ballpark yeah so 10% is 10% that's not

466
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bad but

467
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the cost there was a significant cost to that and that's a

468
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question we have to

469
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look at is how do we how do we function does that we will

470
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not lose airspace

471
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it's not like we're putting a material in there that could

472
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have been used

473
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somewhere else rather than going into the ground if you

474
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compact and process

475
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the waste properly you will actually consume less airspace

476
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than you

477
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currently are consuming and I'll get to that in just a

478
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minute but our airspace

479
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consumption rates are not are not good they don't they don

480
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't match industry

481
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typical standard and again not any reflection on the

482
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operators or the staff

483
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it's primarily just a process it would be if we all went

484
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into that back room to

485
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one tiny table and all tried to make tuna sandwiches at the

486
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same time we

487
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could all work hard and have the best of intentions but if

488
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there's not enough

489
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space for us to be efficient we just couldn't do it that's

490
00:17:52,450 --> 00:17:53,000
what's happening

491
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there question on the on the BMR rubble so that that

492
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material who's bringing

493
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that in is that a commercial operations that are bringing

494
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that in it's coming in

495
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from local contractors is my understanding yes so for the

496
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building

497
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materials recovery operation it's a mix of commercial

498
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entities businesses

499
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sometimes small businesses sometimes large and you will see

500
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you know citizens

501
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come in there single-haul trailers and dump so BMR is much

502
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more of a mix I

503
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think the rubble processing it is by a large large

504
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contractors that are doing

505
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either state road projects local road projects things like

506
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that and so I think

507
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looking at those two separately building materials recovery

508
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we will be accepting

509
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that waste one way or the other when it comes to concrete

510
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or rubble we don't

511
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necessarily need to accept that material on site kind of

512
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the adage that I've used

513
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with staff as we divert a hundred percent of the materials

514
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that we don't

515
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accept and so I think those two things kind of warrant a

516
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different evaluation

517
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if that makes sense I know the details would have to be

518
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worked out but like if

519
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,829
we let's say we say okay we're gonna start raising the gate

520
00:19:07,829 --> 00:19:08,759
rate or just not

521
00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:14,680
take any more in for a while so you know how's that

522
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communicated them and I don't

523
00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:20,119
know are these is this is it is this a regional type deal

524
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,519
that's coming in or

525
00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:25,789
there are other landfills that don't accept this that we

526
00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:27,240
are for some reason

527
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I don't want to steal Neal's airtime but I will comment on

528
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that real quick is

529
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and I'll have some of this in the presentation when I get

530
00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:35,279
back up on the I

531
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think from a concrete standpoint there are many other

532
00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:39,480
concrete and rubble

533
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,680
processors out there several others that have approached us

534
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,759
in the past is you

535
00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:47,079
know we provide this service we actually contract out our

536
00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:48,400
grinding and processing

537
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,750
we don't do all that ourselves and so I think when it comes

538
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:52,720
to the rebel is

539
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,690
there are other options out there we're not the only show

540
00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:56,640
in town there's

541
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,019
probably several in this region I think when it comes to

542
00:19:59,019 --> 00:19:59,839
building materials

543
00:19:59,839 --> 00:20:01,690
recovery the way I would look at that is that's waste that

544
00:20:01,690 --> 00:20:02,279
we're going to be

545
00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:04,970
processing and so if we can divert some of that material it

546
00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:05,900
's definitely to our

547
00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:08,500
benefit but I think it's like Neal said is what is it what

548
00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:09,420
is the cost we don't

549
00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:12,539
want to overdo it with big pieces of heavy equipment and

550
00:20:12,539 --> 00:20:13,799
huge picking lines we

551
00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:17,549
want to try to kind of right size that if that makes sense

552
00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:18,759
and so I hope that

553
00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:21,650
answers the question and I do see those as two separate

554
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:22,880
waste streams you can

555
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,240
get rid of the concrete that's really maybe not even our

556
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,160
role or should have

557
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,279
been but the building materials that that's a solid waste

558
00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:30,240
that's it you're

559
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,960
either gonna be burying the building materials it's gonna

560
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,680
come in one way or

561
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:41,460
the other exactly right it's what I would call demo thank

562
00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:43,039
you so how much is

563
00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:47,099
the city of it and put in for all the streets are repairing

564
00:20:47,099 --> 00:20:48,079
no I'm just kidding

565
00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:58,250
you can answer later we were also doing a process that we

566
00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:59,519
refer to as enhanced

567
00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:03,779
leachate recirculation program where leachate is pumped le

568
00:21:03,779 --> 00:21:05,160
achate is a liquid

569
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,400
that comes out of the landfill it's pumped back into the

570
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,359
top of the landfill

571
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,400
we're reinjecting that into the landfill and the primary

572
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,440
two reasons that

573
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,819
landfills do that one is to get rid of the leachate if you

574
00:21:16,819 --> 00:21:17,559
have a lot of leachate

575
00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:20,960
and that's a viable option for that that generates a lot of

576
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,440
settlement so it will

577
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,210
help the landfill to settle because now you're wetting the

578
00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:27,200
waste and it will

579
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,819
decompose more rapidly and it also softens the cellulose

580
00:21:29,819 --> 00:21:30,519
fibers take a

581
00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,690
piece of paper and wad it up in your hand now get that

582
00:21:32,690 --> 00:21:33,599
paper wet and see how

583
00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,339
much smaller you can compact it so recirculating leachate

584
00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:38,319
will help us in

585
00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,480
some ways it helps the landfill in some ways it also

586
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,960
drastically increases the

587
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,259
rate of gas production within the landfill so within the

588
00:21:46,259 --> 00:21:47,880
landfill and part

589
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,559
of the decomposition process waste decomposes a cubic foot

590
00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:52,480
of waste from

591
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,849
your landfill would weigh about a hundred pounds and if we

592
00:21:54,849 --> 00:21:55,559
watch that

593
00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:58,250
fully decompose it would create about 600 cubic feet of

594
00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:00,519
landfill gas so one of

595
00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,950
the primary reasons that we research at leachate is to make

596
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:04,680
more gas there's a

597
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,519
problem with that currently the city doesn't control the

598
00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:10,119
gas control system

599
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,759
at the landfill that's done by a private contractor and so

600
00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:14,559
they are not required

601
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,250
the private contracts not required to put in landfill gas

602
00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:19,559
wells where needed

603
00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:22,470
to control landfill gas so we don't have landfill gas

604
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:23,960
migration from our landfill

605
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:30,160
they are strictly focused on maximizing gas recovery so

606
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,759
with their operation they

607
00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,210
want good clean gas they want to put wells in where they

608
00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:35,000
get lots of good

609
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,839
clean gas but if there is an issue where we have some

610
00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:39,640
migration or we have some

611
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,069
issue with gas being produced in an area of the landfill

612
00:22:43,069 --> 00:22:44,160
that we want to be

613
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,559
controlled we don't have the mechanism to require them to

614
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:47,599
do that that's

615
00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,240
something that will be coming up at some point I believe

616
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,480
that contract renews at

617
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,039
some point and that's something that we would recommend

618
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:55,119
that the city take more

619
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,720
of an authority position in that to be able to put gas

620
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,960
wells in where you need

621
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:04,000
to have those so we also suggest that the ELR system be

622
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,880
discontinued for the

623
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,690
time being and at some point when you need to have more gas

624
00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:08,480
when you have a

625
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,799
mechanism to control excess gas to go ahead and resume that

626
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,000
we also looked at the heavy equipment to landfill and a

627
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,519
couple of things that we

628
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:27,200
found that are pretty typical the kamatsu dozer you have

629
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,000
one big dozer d-155

630
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,490
that's a d8 size bulldozer that machine is working more

631
00:23:32,490 --> 00:23:33,559
hours than it needs to

632
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,420
work and partly it's because of the process of being

633
00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:37,680
constrained in a very

634
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,740
small work area and granted we were there when the landfill

635
00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:41,599
was up on top of

636
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,700
the hill and you were getting close to moving into the new

637
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:44,519
liner at some point

638
00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:48,769
but the hours of the machine bear bear out the fact that it

639
00:23:48,769 --> 00:23:49,960
's being used too

640
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,809
many hours and the reason that is is because we don't have

641
00:23:52,809 --> 00:23:53,920
enough space so

642
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,279
we're going to be making some recommendations I'll show you

643
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:56,640
here in

644
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,490
just a minute what that's going to look like we're

645
00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:59,460
recommending that the tipping

646
00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:02,099
face be broadened and widened so there's more room for

647
00:24:02,099 --> 00:24:03,160
trucks to dump because

648
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,450
here's what happens in a very small space the bulldozer has

649
00:24:06,450 --> 00:24:07,240
to be on call

650
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,569
because when the truck dumps and pulls out he has to push

651
00:24:09,569 --> 00:24:10,319
that load to get

652
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,859
ready for the very next truck because we only have a few

653
00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:14,039
slots for trucks to dump

654
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,819
that's not only inefficient because he spends a lot of time

655
00:24:16,819 --> 00:24:17,640
at the starting

656
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,609
gate waiting for that next push it's also unsafe because he

657
00:24:20,609 --> 00:24:21,480
's having to get

658
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,029
in between trucks and close to trucks and the fatalities

659
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:26,000
that we have at

660
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,480
landfills almost always occur at that location for that

661
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,559
reason we're just too

662
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,819
constrained and too crowded so we're making some

663
00:24:32,819 --> 00:24:34,039
recommendations that we

664
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:36,130
widen that face out I'll show you what that looks like in a

665
00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:37,400
minute but in the

666
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,970
process it will decrease the dozers hours by getting him

667
00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:40,880
into more efficient

668
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,180
situation where he can actually push in a productive manner

669
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:46,440
and then park the

670
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,740
dozer and get on the water truck or go do something else

671
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:49,680
and a bit later come

672
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,420
back and do the same thing again we think we can cut his

673
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:53,920
hours by about 50%

674
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,140
you also have a couple of cat 826 compactors those are

675
00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:58,000
caterpillars

676
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:04,039
medium-sized compactors compactors have a certain optimum

677
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:05,640
production rate if they

678
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,519
try to handle too much waste they don't compact well and

679
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:09,680
you lose airspace if

680
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,430
you overuse those compactors you spend more money on fuel

681
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:14,599
and machine wear and

682
00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:16,559
tear then you gain an airspace so there's kind of a sweet

683
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:17,119
spot in there

684
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,809
with these machines they would have to increase their

685
00:25:20,809 --> 00:25:22,240
annual work hours their

686
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,539
combined work hours from about 4300 hours to somewhere

687
00:25:25,539 --> 00:25:27,599
around 5600 hours per

688
00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:30,579
year that's a very very full-time process and it's because

689
00:25:30,579 --> 00:25:31,319
those machines

690
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,720
aren't quite big enough for the inbound tonnage that you

691
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,039
have so we're making a

692
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:39,309
recommendation that at an appropriate time budget dependent

693
00:25:39,309 --> 00:25:40,400
that you replace

694
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,720
those machines with the next size of caterpillars largest

695
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,839
or another vendor

696
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,079
another manufacturer of a comparably sized large compactor

697
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:48,960
which would do a

698
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,960
better job of compacting trash and not have to work as many

699
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,920
hours you just be

700
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,259
much more efficient because the production rate of a large

701
00:25:55,259 --> 00:25:55,759
machine is

702
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,140
just higher than it is for a medium-sized machine like

703
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:59,000
someone one that

704
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,200
you have you also have a small dozer out there which is

705
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,319
ideal for trimming and

706
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:05,410
covering and we don't have any issue with you think we

707
00:26:05,410 --> 00:26:06,319
think that's great we

708
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:10,049
should continue to to have and use that small bulldozer and

709
00:26:10,049 --> 00:26:11,319
we're also using

710
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,000
three articulated haul trucks to haul soil and we haul some

711
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,799
rubble with them

712
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:19,099
and we do different things with those those those machines

713
00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:20,400
are excessive in

714
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,529
terms of the number of machines we have if we utilize a

715
00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:25,039
more effective means of

716
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,759
covering the trash an alternative daily cover and we'll

717
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:28,799
talk about tarps here in

718
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,549
just a minute that system would allow us to vastly decrease

719
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:33,880
the amount of soil

720
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,529
that we're using in the landfill and the excessive amount

721
00:26:37,529 --> 00:26:38,640
of soil that's used

722
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,029
for cover is partly significantly part of it of what's

723
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:44,759
driving our airspace

724
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,359
consumption rate we're consuming airspace quicker than we

725
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,000
necessarily

726
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,910
have to do so we believe that we can decrease the number of

727
00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:52,359
articulated

728
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,509
haul trucks at the site we could probably get by with less

729
00:26:54,509 --> 00:26:54,880
than one

730
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,970
machine and we get into the question of having a backup and

731
00:26:57,970 --> 00:26:59,000
how difficult is it

732
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,650
to find a backup in the market if one machine goes down

733
00:27:01,650 --> 00:27:02,640
that also takes us

734
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,250
back to planning if we are planning to fill here this week

735
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:07,400
and that's all we

736
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,309
know if that truck goes down we're in it we're in trouble

737
00:27:11,309 --> 00:27:12,400
because we've got to

738
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,700
haul dirt in for the next place we're going to fill but if

739
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:15,400
we knew that we

740
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,630
were going to be filling along that table for the next six

741
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:18,619
months we could

742
00:27:18,619 --> 00:27:21,500
be putting soil strategically in those locations and if a

743
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:22,839
truck goes down right

744
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,049
there that's fine we've already placed soil we can use for

745
00:27:25,049 --> 00:27:25,839
weeks and weeks and

746
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,690
we can we can keep up with that so the planning component

747
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:29,880
is a significant part

748
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,150
of the solution for all of this we think we can decrease

749
00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:35,720
number of trucks and

750
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,180
certainly the number of truck hours by just being more

751
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:39,240
efficient with how we

752
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,190
use cover soil we also strongly recommend that we increase

753
00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:45,279
the use of the

754
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,450
tarping machine out if you've been out there you've seen we

755
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:48,079
have a machine

756
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,769
called a tarpomatic it's a mechanical tarping machine it's

757
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:52,519
picked up by a

758
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,640
bulldozer or compactor and it rolls tarps out like a giant

759
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,680
paper towel roller

760
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,599
and covers the trash and that is called alternative daily

761
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:01,920
cover and just as a

762
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,680
point of reference when we covered and based on studies

763
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,359
that we've done across

764
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,839
the country when we cover trash with soil at a lined

765
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:11,400
landfill where airspace

766
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,390
is valuable that soil covering costs us between 50 cents

767
00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:16,319
and a dollar a square

768
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,349
foot you could go to Home Depot or Lowe's buy cheap carpet

769
00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:20,160
and roll it out

770
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,440
every day and save money as opposed to using soil so soil

771
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,920
is something we want

772
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,390
it we want to minimize to the extent we can the tarping

773
00:28:28,390 --> 00:28:29,400
system on the other hand

774
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,599
cost between three and five cents a square foot to use that

775
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:33,039
it doesn't

776
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,440
because it doesn't consume airspace and so there are some

777
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,240
benefits to that we're

778
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,119
strongly recommend that we increase that and in the process

779
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,480
we think that we can

780
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,490
go from what's currently about 1,100 pounds per cubic yards

781
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:46,180
if we look at how

782
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:49,069
many tons of trash goes in and how much airspace that

783
00:28:49,069 --> 00:28:50,480
consumes and we just do

784
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,880
the simple math don't extract dirt and add this and just

785
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,680
look at how many tons

786
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,920
of trash goes in how much airspace is consumed we are

787
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,640
consuming about 1,100

788
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,910
pounds or we're getting a density of about 1,100 pounds per

789
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:04,519
cubic yard that's

790
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,750
that's that's below what would be an industry norm for a

791
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:08,960
landfill like this

792
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,180
we think that by improving the operation we can get to

793
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:14,200
somewhere around 1,400 we've

794
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,140
seen similar landfills get as high as 1,600 pounds per

795
00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:18,920
cubic yard and so the

796
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,019
little bit that we might benefit by shredding and grinding

797
00:29:22,019 --> 00:29:22,920
material at the

798
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,079
BMR and touching it so many times is is no comparison in

799
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:29,599
terms of cost and

800
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,220
efficiency if we get things right at the face that where we

801
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:33,240
actually compact and

802
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,369
cover the trash we can get a significantly higher comp

803
00:29:36,369 --> 00:29:37,200
action rate and

804
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,240
can consume much less airspace as we go so in summary we

805
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,640
think we should have a

806
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,849
soil management plan that's a long-term plan that shows us

807
00:29:45,849 --> 00:29:46,599
how we're going to

808
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:48,880
develop material for example I can tell you that if you've

809
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,720
been out there in the

810
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,480
past couple of months we were there at the end of March we

811
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,440
had a large pile of

812
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,319
concrete and asphalt rubble that was right next to the big

813
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:58,279
stockpile of soil

814
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:01,359
that came out of our new lined area and the soil stockpile

815
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:02,880
was starting to erode

816
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,849
and cover up some of the concrete and asphalt rubble what

817
00:30:05,849 --> 00:30:06,720
does that mean it

818
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,680
means at some point we're gonna have to pick that stuff up

819
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,400
again and screen it

820
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
or sort it again to get to it we need to have an annual

821
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,559
fill sequence plan

822
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:16,319
that shows us step by step where we're going to be that

823
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:17,880
includes having what

824
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,470
weather tipping pad so we can have access we need to

825
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:23,200
discontinue processing

826
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,359
rubble at least to the extent that we are right now we're

827
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:26,160
losing money at that

828
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,349
we're processing it beyond what is useful for us and it

829
00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:30,440
doesn't make sense

830
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,029
the same for the BMR there can be some significant

831
00:30:34,029 --> 00:30:35,640
reductions in costs without

832
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,210
any additional loss of airspace in fact by making some good

833
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:40,119
changes we can

834
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:45,539
actually improve our airspace consumption rate and finally

835
00:30:45,539 --> 00:30:45,839
eliminate

836
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:50,549
the enhanced leachate recirculation process that's not

837
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:51,359
helping us right now

838
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,559
it's hurting us right now if we want landfill gas we can

839
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:55,640
start recirculating

840
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,589
leachate once that contract is changed and we actually own

841
00:30:59,589 --> 00:30:59,920
the the

842
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,519
responsibilities for the gas so there are some other things

843
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:05,119
in the report

844
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:07,420
you'll find an appendix in the report that talks about a

845
00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:08,200
typewriter type

846
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,319
system you'll see some information there about a pancake

847
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:12,160
type system and

848
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,039
those are all integrated to widen the face out give trucks

849
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:15,920
more room so that

850
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,940
it's safer and reduce dozer costs so the dozer doesn't have

851
00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:21,240
to be on track on

852
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,079
call constantly and it also gives the compactors more room

853
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,720
to process just as

854
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,539
a quick note when compactors working in a very small space

855
00:31:30,539 --> 00:31:31,640
they spend most of

856
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,750
their time slowing down or accelerating back up in very

857
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:35,799
little time in

858
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:37,890
production if any of you have been in a construction

859
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:38,880
industry and you've ever

860
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,809
seen a soil compactor work they make long runs and they

861
00:31:42,809 --> 00:31:44,319
make them as fast as

862
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,559
they safely can do that so by giving us more space to work

863
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:48,279
at the face by

864
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,099
widening it out we make the site safer we're going to give

865
00:31:51,099 --> 00:31:52,480
it to compactors an

866
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,900
opportunity to get much better compaction so we can get to

867
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:56,240
a situation

868
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,990
where we're saving a lot of money and we're also doing a

869
00:31:58,990 --> 00:31:59,759
better job of

870
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,039
landing by just changing some of the things that we're

871
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:02,960
doing and actually

872
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,329
getting away from some of the ancillary processes that we

873
00:32:06,329 --> 00:32:09,279
just adopted over time

874
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,109
Ron I think you're going to be up next any questions on the

875
00:32:12,109 --> 00:32:13,039
landfill I'm sorry

876
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:18,279
there's another page here on the info so reduce the dozer

877
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,519
hours fully utilize the

878
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:24,180
compactors or get larger compactors reduce the articulated

879
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:25,359
truck hours

880
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,759
increase the tarping system and overall will increase that

881
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:29,920
effective density

882
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,369
we'll get better compaction at the landfill so any any

883
00:32:32,369 --> 00:32:33,039
questions on

884
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,690
landfill stuff before we shift over to collections I have

885
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:36,680
on the enhanced

886
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:46,359
leachate recirculation so when does that contract end it's

887
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,599
actually up in 2024 any

888
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,519
chance we can amend it or is that we've had some

889
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,900
discussions with the the vendor

890
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,900
that's currently onside essentially it breaks down I think

891
00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:58,799
Neil alluded to this

892
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:03,130
where the vendor or the contractor has the right but not

893
00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:04,640
the obligation to

894
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,990
utilize that gas we have to the recommendations of Blue

895
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:10,079
Ridge scaled

896
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,029
back our recirculation of leachate by the fact is is the

897
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:14,079
gas output is such

898
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,849
that we could probably not put leachate on there we're

899
00:33:16,849 --> 00:33:18,140
still going to be on the

900
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:21,529
gas curve to where gas outputs increased so we are working

901
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:22,599
with legal we've we've

902
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,309
taken a couple of runs at that contract we're certainly

903
00:33:25,309 --> 00:33:26,500
going to continue to do

904
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:32,759
so okay so are we are we having the flare the gas now

905
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,279
excess gas yeah anytime

906
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,640
we have excess gas if it's exceeds production capacity then

907
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,279
we are flaring

908
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,279
okay

909
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,769
is the perimeter where the gas production and the gas

910
00:33:47,769 --> 00:33:48,920
quality perhaps

911
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680
sure great so they don't want it sure but that's what

912
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,759
causes you the migration

913
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,960
and it's always going to be like that to a degree but once

914
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,720
you once you have the

915
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,539
rights and the responsibility for it both you could go put

916
00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:02,359
lower production

917
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,299
wells there to stop that migration this is a common problem

918
00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:07,680
because many gas gas

919
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,760
contracts historically across the country were set up for

920
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,559
the companies

921
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,619
that wanted to take the gas to generate electricity or make

922
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:15,639
some energy make

923
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,719
pipeline quality gas do something with that and so they got

924
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,760
the rights but as

925
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,190
Ethan said they don't have the responsibilities for the

926
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:22,880
entire system

927
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,480
okay all right

928
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,159
collections mr. Proto Ron was my first boss in the garbage

929
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,639
business a long time

930
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,519
ago and when I went to the office the very first day I was

931
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:39,519
carrying a cup of

932
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:53,320
coffee like this because I was a country boy I never

933
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,880
carried coffee around in an

934
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,429
office before the wheel on the oh good you know every time

935
00:34:59,429 --> 00:35:00,880
I listen to Neil's

936
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,920
presentations I learned something and I learned today that

937
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,880
landfills and uber

938
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,590
have something in common surge pricing I never realized

939
00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:15,760
that again my name is Ron

940
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,429
Proto and I've been in the business a very long time when I

941
00:35:18,429 --> 00:35:19,440
started we used to

942
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,440
go in your backyard empty your can put the lid on it and

943
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,360
hopefully close the

944
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239
gate walked up seven stairs and dumped it into the truck I

945
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,559
've seen truck

946
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:31,829
pardon and you hang on the truck - yes jumped in it and put

947
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:32,880
sideboards up on it

948
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,239
because you didn't want to make three loads to the landfill

949
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,039
in those days

950
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,630
they call them dumps and so I've seen a tremendous amount

951
00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:40,880
of changes in this

952
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,150
industry I've spent pretty much all my career on the

953
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:46,039
operating side the

954
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,800
collection side of the business although I did have a small

955
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,719
a small gig when I

956
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,400
helped develop a landfill for Oakland scavenger company so

957
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,519
let me see here

958
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:05,059
whoops went the wrong way the city of damp damn the first

959
00:36:05,059 --> 00:36:06,400
thing I look for

960
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,760
when I come in to evaluate an operation is is all the

961
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,800
garbage and recycling

962
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,590
getting picked up every day and I'm happy to report all

963
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:17,920
your garbage your

964
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,039
trash municipal solid waste whatever you want to call it

965
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,480
and your recycling is

966
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,559
getting picked up every day there's no question about that

967
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:26,400
you're not leaving

968
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,269
blocks behind and it does happen in some communities if you

969
00:36:30,269 --> 00:36:32,079
follow the industry

970
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,280
on some of the publications you'll see that sometimes not

971
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,360
all the garbage and

972
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,190
recycling gets picked up but that's not a problem in the

973
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:40,840
city of Denton you

974
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,409
provide a wide wide variety of services including solid

975
00:36:45,409 --> 00:36:46,920
waste municipal solid

976
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,190
waste recycling bulky items and household chemicals and on

977
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:52,239
the commercial side

978
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,019
it's municipal solid waste recycling and food waste you're

979
00:36:56,019 --> 00:36:57,079
just starting into the

980
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,070
food waste in some in in California that's a real big thing

981
00:37:01,070 --> 00:37:02,280
green waste and

982
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,320
food waste I think by 2025 you can't put any of it into the

983
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,440
landfill on the

984
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,789
residential service each route makes about you know a

985
00:37:15,789 --> 00:37:17,400
thousand to eleven

986
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,369
hundred lifts a day and the industry standard it for an

987
00:37:20,369 --> 00:37:21,360
eight hour day is

988
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,710
about nine hundred and fifty to a thousand lifts a day one

989
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:25,880
of the things

990
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,329
although you're getting good production one of the things

991
00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:29,239
that we would like to

992
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,420
see is that you conduct some kind of an objective survey to

993
00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:36,159
see if you're getting

994
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,750
the most out of those residential routes because they are

995
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:41,159
working ten hours a day

996
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,900
they're not working eight they're working ten hours a day

997
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:44,599
and that's an

998
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:48,559
expansive day so it is recommended that you do a

999
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,039
comprehensive study an objective

1000
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:56,460
study to see if you are getting a full day's work out of

1001
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:59,920
those routes residential

1002
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,019
recycling collection productivity is very low there's a one

1003
00:38:04,019 --> 00:38:05,039
-to-one relation

1004
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,590
here in Denton there's a one-to-one relationship with the

1005
00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:09,800
recycling trucks

1006
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,559
and the trash trucks and that's that's not very common

1007
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:14,880
usually a recycling truck

1008
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,269
because every lift they don't pick up as much and not every

1009
00:38:19,269 --> 00:38:20,719
customer puts out

1010
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,989
their recycling every week they travel farther they usually

1011
00:38:24,989 --> 00:38:26,079
travel more one and

1012
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,510
a quarter one and a third maybe one and a half routes but

1013
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:30,599
you have a one-to-one

1014
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:36,019
relationship so on a garbage route you're you're probably

1015
00:38:36,019 --> 00:38:38,079
getting 95 to 98

1016
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,840
percent of the customers are setting their garbage out

1017
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,920
every week whereas

1018
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,909
recycling they're setting it out maybe 60 or 70 percent and

1019
00:38:45,909 --> 00:38:47,679
maybe even less so

1020
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,739
those recycling drivers are picking up maybe six or seven

1021
00:38:50,739 --> 00:38:51,880
hundred houses a day

1022
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,300
versus the almost thousand houses that a municipal waste

1023
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,280
truck will be picked up

1024
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,190
the recycling route use the same number of trucks as the

1025
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:04,239
garbage routes yet they

1026
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,500
collect only 22 percent of the residential tonnage so there

1027
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:08,840
's something

1028
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,039
that's not doesn't add up so what we're recommending is

1029
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:15,159
that they audit the

1030
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:18,389
residential recycling routes the setout rate now the setout

1031
00:39:18,389 --> 00:39:18,880
rate and

1032
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,610
participation rate are two different things participation

1033
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,679
rate is you put the

1034
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,949
can out in the street once once a week once a month you're

1035
00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:28,880
participating in the

1036
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,500
program the setout rate is how many people actually put it

1037
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:33,239
out every week

1038
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,440
and that's a very important number because that tells you

1039
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,239
how to design

1040
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,019
your routes how many lifts they're going to make so we're

1041
00:39:40,019 --> 00:39:41,639
recommending that

1042
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:46,760
department make do a set out and a volume to look actually

1043
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,000
look into the

1044
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,690
carts to see how much is in there I did a study for a

1045
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:55,260
jurisdiction in California

1046
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:59,309
where I actually flipped the lids on on every not on every

1047
00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:00,719
route but on a lot of

1048
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,469
routes and the recycling is all over the board but there

1049
00:40:04,469 --> 00:40:05,559
were a lot of carts that

1050
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:09,840
weren't completely full quarter full half full and then yes

1051
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,519
there's the carts

1052
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:14,929
that are over full or somebody has two carts but I think

1053
00:40:14,929 --> 00:40:17,039
since you don't don't

1054
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,789
know what the setout rate is it would be good to have

1055
00:40:19,789 --> 00:40:21,320
conduct that study so that

1056
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,320
you can see it and then design more productive routes I

1057
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,840
talk a little fast

1058
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,369
sometimes so if you want me to slow down and and I'm just

1059
00:40:31,369 --> 00:40:35,199
really surprised that

1060
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:42,150
the recycling isn't higher maybe it's just because I've

1061
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:43,719
been recycling so long

1062
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,989
yes our recycling is full our garbage is not yes in my

1063
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:49,440
house it's the same thing

1064
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,650
yeah I could probably put my garbage cart out I don't have

1065
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:53,599
garbage in my cart

1066
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,230
anymore because where I live they actually take the food

1067
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:57,039
waste in with the

1068
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,079
yard waste I could put my garbage cart out what they call

1069
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:02,039
garbage cart out once

1070
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:05,780
a month I just don't fill it up anymore just surprised me

1071
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:06,119
yeah I know it's not

1072
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:10,829
gonna it's not gonna increase the volume of tonnage that

1073
00:41:10,829 --> 00:41:13,199
you get in but if is

1074
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:19,380
having smaller recycle bins increase your setout rate does

1075
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:20,039
that make it more

1076
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:24,309
efficient yes it definitely would but I believe you use a

1077
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:26,440
64 gallon cart which

1078
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,769
is pretty much the standard in the industry because that

1079
00:41:29,769 --> 00:41:31,039
material is bulky

1080
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,590
it's light it's not very heavy but it's bulky so but there

1081
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:36,679
are some

1082
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,960
jurisdictions that you get somebody that just wants a

1083
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,239
smaller cart they'll give

1084
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,739
them a smaller cart but 64 is a pretty standard cart okay

1085
00:41:46,739 --> 00:41:49,000
so one of the things

1086
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,269
to increase your lifts when you when you get in there would

1087
00:41:53,269 --> 00:41:54,840
be to just expand the

1088
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,099
size of the route have the drivers drive over pass more

1089
00:41:58,099 --> 00:42:00,320
houses to get a full day's

1090
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:08,199
work residential yard waste now this residential yard waste

1091
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:09,239
has some

1092
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,739
issues with it and that is it's in my view it's it's very

1093
00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:16,840
inefficient it has a

1094
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,480
two-person crew and they drive by almost 2,000 houses per

1095
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,039
day but average only a

1096
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,190
hundred and twenty eight collections now that's an average

1097
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:31,119
you have peak seasons

1098
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,550
and they collect you know 300 maybe even 400 but on average

1099
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:36,239
they collect 128 a day

1100
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,460
and they collect less than four they collect less than four

1101
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:40,519
tons per load and

1102
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:45,000
that's about 50% of the trucks capacity it's not even being

1103
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,719
utilized so the

1104
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,800
recommendation that we have and you can see this here

1105
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,239
before I recommend it in

1106
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,190
this the upper photo that was just one little pile that we

1107
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:57,400
saw it's very

1108
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,670
inefficient it was down there you know the drivers are

1109
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:03,079
gonna scoop it up by

1110
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,139
hand they're gonna leave some behind they're gonna leave a

1111
00:43:06,139 --> 00:43:07,079
mess if you look

1112
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,079
at the one on the bottom there that I drew a circle around

1113
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:11,039
I mean that was on

1114
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,989
a video that was posted on YouTube I mean the drivers tried

1115
00:43:14,989 --> 00:43:16,079
you know it was a

1116
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,019
big pile of there they're grabbing it with their arms I

1117
00:43:20,019 --> 00:43:21,440
think that driver

1118
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,489
there doesn't have a long-sleeve shirt on it's it's you

1119
00:43:24,489 --> 00:43:25,800
know it's not really

1120
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,760
safe and they did they did leave a mess and as you can see

1121
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,639
the last photo

1122
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,369
sometimes they park on the wrong side of the street and

1123
00:43:32,369 --> 00:43:33,920
they collect both sides at

1124
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,039
the same time so one member of the crew is walking across

1125
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:38,320
the street in front of

1126
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:44,119
traffic so it's not it's not very safe for the drivers so

1127
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:45,840
we see is there

1128
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,199
another slide on that no so what we're recommending I guess

1129
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:50,880
I didn't put it

1130
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,320
down here what we are recommending is that you consider

1131
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,320
going to a cart based

1132
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,230
system similar to what you have for recycling and municipal

1133
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:59,559
solid waste now

1134
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,599
it's not going to be as convenient for your customers but

1135
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:03,760
it's going to be more

1136
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:10,889
cost-effective and and efficient for for the city because

1137
00:44:10,889 --> 00:44:12,840
you can have a one

1138
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,789
person driver operator operate the truck and go along and

1139
00:44:17,789 --> 00:44:19,400
just just like your

1140
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,730
garbage trucks do and your recycling trucks do it's a lot

1141
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:23,719
safer it's a lot

1142
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,719
cleaner and it's way more efficient

1143
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:31,599
bulky item collection now this is a this is a very

1144
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,079
important service for the city

1145
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:39,239
I did not drive around the whole city but I would guess

1146
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,840
that you do have

1147
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,769
probably have some illegal dumping in the city I'm not sure

1148
00:44:46,769 --> 00:44:47,400
but I would

1149
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,590
imagine you have illegal dumping if you were to eliminate

1150
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:51,679
bulky item collection

1151
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:57,300
you'd have a whole lot more collection there so the crews

1152
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:59,320
average about 35

1153
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,929
collections a day which is very low some places go up as

1154
00:45:02,929 --> 00:45:04,880
high as 200 but you

1155
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:11,519
know 150 125 is more the average and so you could run the

1156
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:12,639
collection every other

1157
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,420
week or every third week and you could adjust the schedule

1158
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:17,840
seasonally adjust the

1159
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,590
schedule based on the service or I know this sounds counter

1160
00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:22,719
intuitive but you

1161
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,989
could promote the program more to get people to use the

1162
00:45:26,989 --> 00:45:28,440
program and perhaps

1163
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,250
reduce the amount of illegal dumping that goes on in the

1164
00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:33,719
city

1165
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,239
household chemical collection this this is you folks

1166
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,400
provide valet household

1167
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,619
chemical collection you know you go door to door to pick it

1168
00:45:43,619 --> 00:45:44,800
up somebody called

1169
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,139
a customer resident call in make an appointment you go pick

1170
00:45:49,139 --> 00:45:50,280
it up usually I

1171
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,550
mean they there are communities that do it it's very

1172
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:56,800
expensive but usually what

1173
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,090
is done is they'll have a facility where residents can drop

1174
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:02,679
it off rather than go

1175
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,309
door-to-door and collect it and as you can see here there's

1176
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:10,239
3800 almost 3900

1177
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,659
pickups meaning that only 12% of the residents utilize the

1178
00:46:15,659 --> 00:46:16,559
service but that's

1179
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,829
like 15 pickups a day it's it's not a lot of there's not a

1180
00:46:20,829 --> 00:46:21,960
lot of pickups out

1181
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,199
there so there is there are some grants I believe that you

1182
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:28,800
folks can apply for

1183
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,719
that could help you to and get permits to help you

1184
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,559
establish a program perhaps

1185
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:37,239
on the same site that it is now

1186
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,659
commercial garbage collection I still call it I mean a rose

1187
00:46:46,659 --> 00:46:48,000
by any other name

1188
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,420
is still a rose commercial garbage front loaders average

1189
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:55,119
about 102 lifts per day

1190
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,780
the industry standard is somewhere between 125 and 150

1191
00:46:58,780 --> 00:46:59,440
lifts a day

1192
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,130
depending upon route density distance from the landfill and

1193
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:04,119
one other thing

1194
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,750
that's very very important if you drive around the city of

1195
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:09,480
Denton you'll see all

1196
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,619
your you won't see a cart that has any wheels on it that is

1197
00:47:15,619 --> 00:47:17,679
not common that is

1198
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,289
ideal that is like a dream route where the driver rolls up

1199
00:47:22,289 --> 00:47:23,480
to the container and

1200
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,170
what I call stabs it the only time the driver has to get

1201
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:28,519
out of the truck is

1202
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,489
maybe to open up a gate for an enclosure back out and do it

1203
00:47:31,489 --> 00:47:32,480
I rode with one of

1204
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,820
the drivers and he did that on a couple of occasions so

1205
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:38,000
there unless I'm missing

1206
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,880
something there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to

1207
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:41,760
get up closer to

1208
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,579
the hundred and twenty five or fifty lifts per day and the

1209
00:47:45,579 --> 00:47:46,719
way you can do

1210
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,440
that is you can eliminate one Monday through Friday route

1211
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,739
and one Saturday

1212
00:47:51,739 --> 00:47:55,630
route now you have two Saturday routes and the reason you

1213
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:56,440
have two Saturday

1214
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,079
routes because someone thought that it would be advantage

1215
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:01,840
ous to have two

1216
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,719
drivers out there instead of one in case something went

1217
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,159
wrong I come from the

1218
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,400
school is if you have a problem call your supervisor

1219
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,880
because your supervisor

1220
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,650
has the wherewithal and the resources to help you out when

1221
00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:15,719
I looked at the

1222
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,110
Saturday routes I forget the exact number but there was a

1223
00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:22,159
88 88 something

1224
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:26,639
like that 90 customers really didn't need Saturday service

1225
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:27,280
they had three

1226
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,550
times a week or less service normally the hurdle for

1227
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:32,820
Saturday service is not

1228
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:36,119
universal but the hurdle rate is four times a week service

1229
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:37,119
so they go Monday

1230
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,710
Wednesday and Friday and Saturday because they can't hold

1231
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:40,280
over for the

1232
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,519
weekend but there were several twice a week customers some

1233
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:44,239
one time a week

1234
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,840
customers so it's not like you're stopping Saturday service

1235
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,599
you're just

1236
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,710
condensing Saturday service and moving that over through

1237
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:53,199
Monday Monday through

1238
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,590
Friday routes and you can increase those lifts to about 120

1239
00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:57,599
a day which is more

1240
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:01,869
in line with what they should be the commercial recycling

1241
00:49:01,869 --> 00:49:03,320
routes are similar

1242
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,099
situation their lift count is only 68 per day you have a

1243
00:49:07,099 --> 00:49:07,840
very complicated

1244
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,309
schedule half-day route here half-day route there pick up

1245
00:49:11,309 --> 00:49:12,760
trash or pick up one

1246
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,159
commodity here pick up one another commodity here and

1247
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:17,119
whenever you have

1248
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,760
half-day routes you lose productivity you just have to keep

1249
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,760
working at and

1250
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,340
working at it and in addition this truck picks up less than

1251
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:27,400
50% of the trucks

1252
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,820
carrying capacity so again we recommend consider a complete

1253
00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:33,239
review of the

1254
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,900
commercial recycling system and then depending upon what

1255
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:37,780
you find is to

1256
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:41,260
redesign the routes to increase the lift count to about 150

1257
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:42,599
a day again that

1258
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,030
shouldn't be a problem because you drive directly into the

1259
00:49:46,030 --> 00:49:47,280
bins occasionally the

1260
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:54,000
driver has to get out to move the open or close a gate

1261
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,360
multifamily recycling we

1262
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,369
understand that that's an interest of the city and there's

1263
00:50:02,369 --> 00:50:03,320
no question that

1264
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,800
you can do multifamily recycling but there's a there's a

1265
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,840
caution here I don't

1266
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,199
know if you folks follow the recycling markets and what's

1267
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:14,159
going on in China now

1268
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:18,119
California is a big big recycler that's where I come from

1269
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,280
California they are

1270
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,679
choking on recycling they cannot get rid of their recycling

1271
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,079
their residual rates

1272
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:32,030
in California generally from a materials recovery facility

1273
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:34,119
was about 10% now

1274
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:38,119
they're approaching 25 and 35% they just to clean the

1275
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:39,599
material up and even at

1276
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,329
that point sometimes they can't get rid of the material so

1277
00:50:42,329 --> 00:50:44,480
if you do go into and

1278
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,769
multifamily recycling is the most difficult recycling to

1279
00:50:48,769 --> 00:50:49,840
pick up it is

1280
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,400
usually highly contaminated so if you do decide to go into

1281
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,079
multifamily

1282
00:50:55,079 --> 00:51:02,860
recycling we recommend you go with caution fleet

1283
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:05,559
maintenance a major

1284
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,480
complaint and a source of frustration was that from the

1285
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,639
drivers was it takes

1286
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,960
too long to get the truck repaired and so the drivers were

1287
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,199
avoiding dropping

1288
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,510
off their truck unless it was absolutely necessary and this

1289
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:18,960
is a serious safety

1290
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,550
concern but also exactly excess excess or baits the

1291
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:25,880
maintenance time issue of

1292
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,519
the maintenance we looked through one of the reports a

1293
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:30,719
driver complained about his

1294
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,010
truck and his truck was in there for like 13 days but then

1295
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:35,039
when we looked at

1296
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,730
the notes that were in there the reason it was in for 13

1297
00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:40,139
days is there were so

1298
00:51:40,139 --> 00:51:44,139
many things that were wrong with it some of them that were

1299
00:51:44,139 --> 00:51:45,360
obvious the driver

1300
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,860
should have turned in like the fender was you know rattling

1301
00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:52,960
really loose that

1302
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,010
the tarping mechanism has happened to be a roll-off truck

1303
00:51:56,010 --> 00:51:56,920
and the tarping

1304
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,650
mechanism that goes back the cylinders and we're leaking

1305
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:02,079
and the long hose was

1306
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,690
leaking and that's because they don't want to bring it in

1307
00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:05,599
because it takes too

1308
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,559
long but because they don't want to bring it in it takes

1309
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:09,239
too long because

1310
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,579
there's too many things your mechanics from my

1311
00:52:11,579 --> 00:52:13,440
understanding or train when a

1312
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,980
truck comes in you don't fix just what's on the service

1313
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:16,960
order you fix everything

1314
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,159
you find so when they do a preventative maintenance they

1315
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:21,360
find several things

1316
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:27,309
that are wrong so they have to fix all of it so one of the

1317
00:52:27,309 --> 00:52:28,320
things that we

1318
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,949
recommend recommended is that there be periodic meetings

1319
00:52:31,949 --> 00:52:32,599
between fleet

1320
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:36,960
maintenance services and the drivers and this allows the

1321
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,960
groups to have a mutual

1322
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,159
understanding of the challenges drivers face and also the

1323
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:42,559
technicians face and

1324
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,969
sort of bring them together to talk about the problems I'm

1325
00:52:46,969 --> 00:52:47,840
gonna see if

1326
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,780
there's one more here there's another issue is the city of

1327
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:52,639
Denton fleet

1328
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:58,159
maintenance has 16 technicians to that take care of about 1

1329
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,719
,100 assets now this

1330
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:06,139
includes pickup trucks little vans and everything and to be

1331
00:53:06,139 --> 00:53:08,039
fair the the the

1332
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:11,630
actually industry standard is seven to ten trucks for a

1333
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:13,039
technician now I know

1334
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,099
when a garbage truck goes in there fire engines is going to

1335
00:53:16,099 --> 00:53:17,119
take precedent over

1336
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,010
it there's no question about I don't know what the ratio is

1337
00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:20,920
for mechanics to

1338
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:26,159
fire trucks but I know on I can go just about any

1339
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:27,960
maintenance program that's

1340
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,219
running efficiently there's seven to ten trucks for every

1341
00:53:31,219 --> 00:53:33,280
mechanic and so there

1342
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,519
is the department needs to add more mechanics in order to

1343
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,159
get turn over the

1344
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:46,159
trucks quicker the other the other fact is that the

1345
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:47,400
maintenance facility is four

1346
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,619
miles away from the collection department and makes

1347
00:53:49,619 --> 00:53:50,400
dropping off the

1348
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,599
trucks very inconvenient a driver drops off a truck someone

1349
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:56,440
has to bring the

1350
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:02,070
driver back to the to the to the corporation yard they have

1351
00:54:02,070 --> 00:54:03,239
to pick up a

1352
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,619
truck in the morning somebody has to take the driver to go

1353
00:54:05,619 --> 00:54:06,360
down and pick up

1354
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,250
the truck it's very inconvenient one of the things that we

1355
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:10,079
heard when we were

1356
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:13,920
here is that there was anticipated that there was going to

1357
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:14,800
be a fleet maintenance

1358
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,320
annex built at the corporation yard and it was sort on hold

1359
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,480
we also when we

1360
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,139
talked to the fleet service superintendent said that they

1361
00:54:25,139 --> 00:54:26,719
were running out of room

1362
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,980
and that they wanted to expand their shop so it looks like

1363
00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:32,119
everything if they

1364
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:36,389
could coordinate that get the shop built at the corporation

1365
00:54:36,389 --> 00:54:37,360
yard and get the

1366
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,539
mechanics right there drivers will probably turn in their

1367
00:54:40,539 --> 00:54:41,239
trucks more

1368
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,599
frequently when it needs repair and they'll be timely

1369
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:49,840
repaired collection

1370
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,750
summary conduct an objective study on residential municipal

1371
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:54,760
solid waste routes

1372
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,079
as I said you're doing about a thousand lifts a day that's

1373
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,079
pretty good but

1374
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,000
remember you work ten hours a day and not eight hours a day

1375
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:02,880
so they might be

1376
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,079
able to be increased audit the residential recycling south

1377
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:06,719
's for set

1378
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,079
out rate and cart volume then adjust the routes accordingly

1379
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,199
and then consider

1380
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:17,519
using a cart based yard waste system and then consider the

1381
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:19,340
bulky collection every

1382
00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:22,539
other week or every third week to increase the collections

1383
00:55:22,539 --> 00:55:23,840
to 70 or 100

1384
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:30,119
per day or publicize the program more to try to increase

1385
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:31,400
the number of residents

1386
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,139
and discontinue the household hazardous collection

1387
00:55:34,139 --> 00:55:35,480
residential collection

1388
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,190
service and open up a regional facility and have people

1389
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:41,679
drop it off at the

1390
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:47,949
facility rather than provide a valet service we have a lot

1391
00:55:47,949 --> 00:55:48,280
of

1392
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,869
recommendations on the collection side eliminate one Monday

1393
00:55:51,869 --> 00:55:52,960
through Friday and

1394
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,530
one Saturday commercial route to increase the lift counts

1395
00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:56,800
to about 120 a

1396
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,070
day consider a complete review of the commercial recycling

1397
00:56:01,070 --> 00:56:01,960
system to increase

1398
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,659
lift counts to around 150 a day before expanding multif

1399
00:56:06,659 --> 00:56:08,519
amily recycling services

1400
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:12,380
wait for current markets to stabilize and conduct further

1401
00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:13,679
further resident

1402
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:17,949
utilization analysis conduct periodic meetings between

1403
00:56:17,949 --> 00:56:18,880
fleet maintenance

1404
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,739
services and drivers and increased fleet services

1405
00:56:22,739 --> 00:56:24,559
department staff to achieve a

1406
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:28,420
ratio of one technician every set seven to ten vehicles and

1407
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:29,480
constructing a

1408
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,519
maintenance shop annex close to the parking where the

1409
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,519
trucks parked I'm

1410
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:45,530
going to turn this back over to Neil so this is a third

1411
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:46,840
component of what we

1412
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,840
looked at talked about landfills we talked about

1413
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,159
collections this is kind of

1414
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:55,110
the overall aspect of that I'm going to talk about safety

1415
00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:56,719
there is not a good

1416
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,989
safety culture in the department right now we saw a lot of

1417
00:57:00,989 --> 00:57:01,920
folks that weren't

1418
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,960
wearing high visibility safety apparel and they should

1419
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,559
supervisors or managers

1420
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:12,730
also need to be doing they need to set the example no one

1421
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:14,480
should ever go out

1422
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,130
into the yard or onto the landfill if they step out of a

1423
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:18,000
vehicle and any any

1424
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,590
part of the operations they should have a safety vest with

1425
00:57:21,590 --> 00:57:23,280
them we found that

1426
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,369
the safety meetings and we sat in on one we talked to folks

1427
00:57:25,369 --> 00:57:26,760
about other ones they

1428
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,090
weren't focused on specific things they were just more

1429
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:30,239
general there were there

1430
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:33,420
were some discussions in there there weren't a lot of

1431
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:34,679
safety slogans and

1432
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:36,949
posters there just wasn't a lot of evidence that we're

1433
00:57:36,949 --> 00:57:38,159
really focused on on

1434
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:42,429
safety just to give you a little feedback the waste

1435
00:57:42,429 --> 00:57:43,000
business is the

1436
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,760
fifth most dangerous industry in the United States based on

1437
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,559
fatalities per

1438
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:50,800
number of workers following logging and offshore fishing

1439
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,239
and roofing I don't

1440
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:56,590
recall what the other one is air pilots and we're number

1441
00:57:56,590 --> 00:57:58,599
five and so part of the

1442
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:02,860
process for this is to just make safety more of a vested

1443
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:04,599
interest for everyone

1444
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:12,800
on the team so we're recommending that everyone in any part

1445
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,679
of the operations

1446
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,079
if they're on the ground outside your vehicle outside the

1447
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:16,840
office that they

1448
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,889
have a high visibility safety vest everyone we need to have

1449
00:58:20,889 --> 00:58:21,440
safety

1450
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,480
meetings that are more applicable and so general topics

1451
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,599
that a safety meeting is

1452
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,469
fine at times but there are a lot of specific things that

1453
00:58:28,469 --> 00:58:29,360
should be dealt

1454
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,320
with and that that involves some more or requires some more

1455
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,320
involvement from

1456
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,320
supervisors or whoever's leading the safety meetings to

1457
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,639
talk about near misses

1458
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:39,489
and what are some of the issues we're having on the riot

1459
00:58:39,489 --> 00:58:40,199
route what are some

1460
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,789
issues we're having at the landfill things like that we

1461
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:47,360
need to have basic

1462
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,840
standard operating procedures for everyone at the landfill

1463
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,519
on under routes

1464
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,869
and here's one of the things that we find is lacking our

1465
00:58:54,869 --> 00:58:56,039
company does a lot

1466
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,909
of surveys around the United States and Canada we find that

1467
00:58:59,909 --> 00:59:01,800
90% of those

1468
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,469
managers and supervisors that we survey the facilities that

1469
00:59:05,469 --> 00:59:06,280
we survey say we

1470
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,449
really don't have all of our safety documents and all of

1471
00:59:08,449 --> 00:59:09,000
our standard

1472
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,650
operating procedures formalized we just sort of learn by

1473
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:14,079
doing and we learn by

1474
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,920
tradition and that's how we do that if you translate that

1475
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,840
and take that further

1476
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,679
down the line that means that 90% of our folks don't have

1477
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:22,360
good standard

1478
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,150
operating procedures there's not a standard process and so

1479
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:26,960
if we were to

1480
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,320
quiz everyone and ask how do we do this we wouldn't get the

1481
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,159
same answer and we

1482
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,159
didn't get the same answer so we need to have some standard

1483
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:34,320
procedures for how we

1484
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,920
do things this is basic stuff we looked at the

1485
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,480
organizational structure what we

1486
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,170
found was that the department is generally management heavy

1487
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:46,360
and partly

1488
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,949
that become that's because I believe we have a lot of

1489
00:59:49,949 --> 00:59:51,920
peripheral processes that

1490
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,829
we're doing the ELR and the BMR and the concrete and

1491
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:58,239
asphalt all of that Ron can

1492
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,530
speak to some of the numbers that we found with collections

1493
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:01,280
but we just found

1494
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,699
a lot of management compared to the number of workers so we

1495
01:00:06,699 --> 01:00:08,280
think that some

1496
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,969
of the operations have to be discontinued decreased let's

1497
01:00:13,969 --> 01:00:15,039
get through

1498
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:19,309
some of this so collections management positions constitute

1499
01:00:19,309 --> 01:00:20,800
16% of the staff

1500
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,800
industry standards about 10% so if you look at the staff

1501
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,519
about 10% of our

1502
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:31,210
collection staff should be supervisors or managers for us

1503
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:34,280
at 16% normally

1504
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,429
collections supervisors have six to nine employees the

1505
01:00:37,429 --> 01:00:38,679
report to them or that

1506
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,949
they're supervising that's 30 to 50 percent below the

1507
01:00:42,949 --> 01:00:44,239
industry standards so

1508
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:48,889
again we just have we have too many management folks a lot

1509
01:00:48,889 --> 01:00:49,559
of the

1510
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,860
collection supervisors spend a lot of their time doing

1511
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:52,880
administrative things

1512
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,449
we're having an administrative assistant IE a secretary

1513
01:00:56,449 --> 01:00:57,800
someone else to do some

1514
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,650
of the paperwork could be a huge benefit those folks should

1515
01:01:01,650 --> 01:01:02,920
be involved in

1516
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,199
managing their routes and their drivers and not doing

1517
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:09,079
administrative tasks I

1518
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:11,829
think that Ron if you have a comment on this the

1519
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:13,519
collections dispatching

1520
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,420
supervision of backup drivers and fleet maintenance need to

1521
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:17,559
be addressed as part

1522
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:21,829
of this whole process in other words how are we structured

1523
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:22,840
how is the collection

1524
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:31,280
system structured in that regard special projects new

1525
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,639
operations we can we can

1526
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:38,179
back I think we need to the gist of this is we need to step

1527
01:01:38,179 --> 01:01:39,079
back to our core

1528
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:43,880
operations and make sure we're focusing on getting those

1529
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,480
right so we think as a

1530
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,099
recommendation we can reduce three managers and four

1531
01:01:49,099 --> 01:01:50,280
supervisor positions

1532
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,199
within the department basically dissolve the site

1533
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:54,800
operations division which was

1534
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,889
all of the special projects where those were coming from

1535
01:01:56,889 --> 01:01:58,599
and assign some

1536
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:03,050
planning and special projects to the landfill manager we

1537
01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:04,599
think that the scale

1538
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:08,070
house should be assigned to the administration manager so

1539
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:08,760
that there's a

1540
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,730
little closer communication between what's happening in the

1541
01:02:11,730 --> 01:02:12,440
scale and what's

1542
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,079
happening operationally I think we should have a dispatch

1543
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:17,039
operation which

1544
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,949
speaks more to the collections side of things and the an

1545
01:02:20,949 --> 01:02:23,480
cillary services should

1546
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,900
just be under a facility supervisor so that in other words

1547
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:27,679
when we have

1548
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,500
additional things that we're doing at the facility that we

1549
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:31,559
have someone who is

1550
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:35,340
who's coordinating that and managing that specifically so

1551
01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:37,079
this table here shows

1552
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:41,110
where we are currently and kind of what we're recommending

1553
01:02:41,110 --> 01:02:43,639
on the landfill side

1554
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:49,440
and this chart you're probably not going to be able to see

1555
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,960
Ethan are you going to

1556
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,429
talk about this in more detail do you want me to go through

1557
01:02:56,429 --> 01:02:57,119
this or do you

1558
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,400
want to talk about that okay this is going to be hard for

1559
01:02:59,400 --> 01:02:59,920
everyone to see I

1560
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,090
think I saw some of your stuff and it looks like it's maybe

1561
01:03:02,090 --> 01:03:02,639
a little bit

1562
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:07,170
clearer to see that Ron any comments on that on the

1563
01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:16,679
collection stuff I know

1564
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:21,369
better sorry this is just a graphical representation of the

1565
01:03:21,369 --> 01:03:22,480
slide before is

1566
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,429
consolidating the the supervisors and the managers we're

1567
01:03:27,429 --> 01:03:29,079
not adding any we

1568
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:32,710
added two new positions but we're not adding two new staff

1569
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:33,760
in the collections

1570
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,110
and that is a full-time dispatcher and also a fleet our

1571
01:03:38,110 --> 01:03:40,079
facilities maintenance

1572
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:44,650
supervisor so it's just removing the people around shuff

1573
01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:46,840
ling them around any

1574
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:56,239
questions thank you very much thank you thank you very much

1575
01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:01,989
thank you Ron so I know I know this report's fairly dense

1576
01:04:01,989 --> 01:04:03,119
and I'm not going

1577
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,519
to be going through in detail kind of the management

1578
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:06,679
response but I do want to

1579
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:10,630
hit a few key items see if I can't find my presentation

1580
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:11,519
here seems to have

1581
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:19,719
disappeared on me all right I think my presentation got

1582
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:19,760
deleted

1583
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:32,239
it's a Monday right well I appreciate Ron and Neil going

1584
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:33,159
through that again I

1585
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:36,210
know this a dense presentation so like I mentioned at the

1586
01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:37,239
outset what I'm going

1587
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:39,780
to attempt to do is just kind of break this down between

1588
01:04:39,780 --> 01:04:41,400
really two sections of

1589
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,489
recommendations and responses for most of the operational

1590
01:04:44,489 --> 01:04:45,679
recommendations I'm

1591
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:49,269
not going to spend a lot of time going through that up here

1592
01:04:49,269 --> 01:04:49,880
let me get my

1593
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:56,980
bearings real quick I'll probably just hit the highlights

1594
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:57,599
and then I'll field

1595
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,230
questions on the operational stuff that you've seen there

1596
01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:02,280
are two items that I

1597
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,599
want to hit at the outset and number one is the

1598
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:06,320
organizational restructure to

1599
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,440
Ron's point I do want to provide a little bit of additional

1600
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,039
texture to that

1601
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:13,239
in terms of the management restructure really what we look

1602
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:13,880
at from our

1603
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,110
perspective is that we have an abundance of managers in the

1604
01:05:17,110 --> 01:05:18,239
operation but we also

1605
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:21,099
have some pressing needs in some areas as you've seen

1606
01:05:21,099 --> 01:05:22,480
through their report in

1607
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,780
terms of helping us to improve planning and operations we

1608
01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:27,159
are proposing adding a

1609
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:30,429
deputy director position for training and safety we feel

1610
01:05:30,429 --> 01:05:31,480
like that's a key

1611
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,510
point of emphasis for us we don't want to put our drivers

1612
01:05:34,510 --> 01:05:35,599
our employees or the

1613
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:39,079
public at risk and so we want to bring in a training and

1614
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:40,400
safety coordinator to

1615
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,150
help coordinate those efforts fleet was a big issue that

1616
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:45,239
was identified in this

1617
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:47,820
the timely maintenance of our fleet so we are recommending

1618
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:48,719
adding some of that

1619
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,170
and we'll bring that forward in the department's budget in

1620
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:51,679
the next few

1621
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:55,449
weeks in terms of the management positions I think one of

1622
01:05:55,449 --> 01:05:56,320
the things I

1623
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,789
would say is we have an abundance of really good people at

1624
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:59,519
our side and we

1625
01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:02,590
want to make sure that we handle this with care and that we

1626
01:06:02,590 --> 01:06:03,679
approach this in

1627
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,050
fairness and that we try to take care of our employees as

1628
01:06:06,050 --> 01:06:07,199
best we can a few

1629
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:09,119
things that we want to try to see out of the organizational

1630
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:09,679
restructure is

1631
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:12,530
improving communication when you have multiple layers of

1632
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:13,599
management sometimes

1633
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,690
it's like the game of telephone in grade school is the

1634
01:06:16,690 --> 01:06:18,320
messages don't always get

1635
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,849
up and down the chain of command as well as they should and

1636
01:06:20,849 --> 01:06:21,519
that's one of the

1637
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,059
things that I've kind of seen in my time there and I think

1638
01:06:24,059 --> 01:06:25,119
Ron and Neil picked up

1639
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,989
on some of that as well right now we have basically

1640
01:06:27,989 --> 01:06:29,440
supervisor by committee so

1641
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,739
a lot of our collections operators in particular they have

1642
01:06:32,739 --> 01:06:34,119
four supervisors and

1643
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,829
what ends up happening is when you don't have just one

1644
01:06:36,829 --> 01:06:38,059
person where you can go

1645
01:06:38,059 --> 01:06:41,429
talk to the communication can sometimes overlap sometimes

1646
01:06:41,429 --> 01:06:42,679
there's a difference

1647
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,639
in opinion on what action should be taken and it really

1648
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:46,960
slows us down as

1649
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,739
unnecessary so we're gonna be correcting that too overall

1650
01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,079
we are really trying to

1651
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:53,440
take a hard look at redefining job descriptions and job

1652
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,280
responsibilities

1653
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,559
especially in lieu of some of the things that we heard from

1654
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,079
Blue Ridge so our

1655
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:01,599
plan is to to begin the organizational restructure

1656
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:02,719
immediately and then try to

1657
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:06,989
have that wrapped up before the turn of the fiscal year in

1658
01:07:06,989 --> 01:07:08,039
terms of the program

1659
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:11,590
recommendations these are not as simple as turnkey we

1660
01:07:11,590 --> 01:07:12,280
certainly want to make

1661
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,840
sure that the public utilities board as well as the council

1662
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,800
have an opportunity

1663
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,559
to weigh in on these so what we're proposing from a

1664
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:19,599
management standpoint is

1665
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:22,519
that we supplement the analysis that Blue Ridge has done

1666
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:23,320
that I think they've

1667
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,760
done a fantastic job in a very short period of time more

1668
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:27,719
than anything else

1669
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,010
some of the recommendations like the recycling audit is we

1670
01:07:30,010 --> 01:07:30,760
really need to get

1671
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,880
out boots on the ground do our own audit take a little bit

1672
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:34,840
more time with it and

1673
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,920
then look and see what are those results really telling us

1674
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:38,440
you know should we

1675
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,789
expand our route size should we try to adjust our program

1676
01:07:41,789 --> 01:07:43,320
in some manner what

1677
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,199
we want to do is make basically maintain the good

1678
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:46,719
components of our programs while

1679
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:50,380
making them as efficient as they can be so so after that

1680
01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:51,760
analysis is done we

1681
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,099
want to circle back to the board as well as the City

1682
01:07:54,099 --> 01:07:55,280
Council provide you the

1683
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,219
results of our analysis which will be financial feasibility

1684
01:07:58,219 --> 01:07:58,920
operational

1685
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,900
efficiency and then seek direction we do have one on on the

1686
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:04,079
presentation this

1687
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,199
evening that I'll get to in just a second what I've

1688
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:07,559
included down here some

1689
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:10,449
of the major program recommendations that Neil and Ron made

1690
01:08:10,449 --> 01:08:11,039
is kind of a

1691
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,800
schedule for us coming back to the board and the council

1692
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,699
for discussion I think

1693
01:08:15,699 --> 01:08:17,590
what we've tried to do in terms of organizing these and we

1694
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:18,039
're open to

1695
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:21,899
comment is to take the largest in terms of the financial

1696
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:23,479
commitment and some of

1697
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,750
the more inefficient programs that warrant quick inspection

1698
01:08:27,750 --> 01:08:28,319
particularly

1699
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,609
for BMR and robo processing I think the question we're

1700
01:08:30,609 --> 01:08:31,680
gonna be asking the board

1701
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,670
and the council is do we want to continue with this in our

1702
01:08:34,670 --> 01:08:35,520
budget or do we

1703
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,619
want to try to start making some adjustments before we come

1704
01:08:37,619 --> 01:08:38,079
back to you

1705
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:44,260
this summer so let's dive into that real quick in terms of

1706
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:46,199
rubble slash BMR and I

1707
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,550
think you are definitely served and kind of taking a look

1708
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:49,159
at these as two

1709
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:51,699
separate entities because I think that's ultimately what we

1710
01:08:51,699 --> 01:08:52,760
probably end with in

1711
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,310
terms of a recommendation we kind of validated what Blue

1712
01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:57,520
Ridge's results were

1713
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,109
we found that diversion was actually 10% on both of those

1714
01:09:01,109 --> 01:09:02,520
operations give or take

1715
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,819
for rubble over the last five years we've accepted over 300

1716
01:09:05,819 --> 01:09:07,840
,000 tons I'll

1717
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,720
show you a photo of some of the stockpiles that we have out

1718
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:10,079
there in a

1719
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,420
moment but it is significant in a lot of cases you kind of

1720
01:09:13,420 --> 01:09:14,239
look at this as

1721
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:18,289
inventory if you will and like Ron or like Neil was saying

1722
01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:19,760
is if this sits on

1723
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,970
the ground long enough it's going to be required to be

1724
01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:23,319
reprocessed and

1725
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:26,760
resorted and at that point this isn't an asset anymore it's

1726
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:27,760
actually a liability

1727
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,060
and we put some dollar amounts to that in just a moment and

1728
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:32,159
I want to revisit

1729
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:35,380
my statement from earlier is if our goal for both rubble

1730
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:36,880
and BMR processing is to

1731
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,869
divert materials away and safely and fill airspace we have

1732
01:09:39,869 --> 01:09:41,199
a decision to make at

1733
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:44,600
the gate is do we want to accept this material or not

1734
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,500
unlike waste that we

1735
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:49,159
serve the community in the surrounding area with rubble and

1736
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:49,960
asphalt we have a

1737
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,869
decision and we can either price it to make sure that we're

1738
01:09:52,869 --> 01:09:53,760
only accepting

1739
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,949
exactly what we need or do we just put a sign up that says

1740
01:09:56,949 --> 01:09:57,720
we're not accepting

1741
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,989
that there are other alternatives for other operations to

1742
01:10:01,989 --> 01:10:03,279
exploit in addition

1743
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:05,590
what you want to see with these operations is if you're

1744
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:06,239
hitting your

1745
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:09,079
diversion targets are you recovering the the expense

1746
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:10,319
through sales revenue

1747
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:13,199
doesn't always pay to recycle sometimes it's about doing

1748
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:14,239
the right thing and I

1749
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,489
think what we want to try to put in front of the board and

1750
01:10:16,489 --> 01:10:17,199
the council is

1751
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:20,399
there's dollars and cents associated with this we're not as

1752
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:21,319
we're not trying

1753
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:24,649
to eliminate a program that both the board or the council

1754
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:25,720
wants to keep but

1755
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,319
we owe it to you all to be very candid and very upfront

1756
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:29,319
about here are the

1757
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:32,149
facts of how the program is performing here's the cost

1758
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:34,000
associated with it so

1759
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,159
on both of these you can see that we we've diverted about

1760
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:37,920
10% for the rubble

1761
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,739
that is particularly troublesome because now we have an

1762
01:10:40,739 --> 01:10:42,359
asset or liability that

1763
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:44,449
we have to try to move off site and it's going to be it's

1764
01:10:44,449 --> 01:10:45,239
going to be a tough

1765
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:48,880
task here are some of the rubble stockpiles that we have at

1766
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:49,560
the facility

1767
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,960
here on the left as Ron mentioned earlier you have the soil

1768
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,079
on the back

1769
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:57,560
and it's kind of impeding into the unprocessed rubble here

1770
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:58,680
's kind of gives

1771
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,970
you an idea of the scale of the stockpile here with some of

1772
01:11:01,970 --> 01:11:02,439
our equipment

1773
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:07,479
this is actually processed concrete here that's that's into

1774
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:08,720
aggregate and so

1775
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,039
we've had this stockpile for the better part of the year

1776
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:11,960
since I've been out

1777
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,819
there we really don't have a material right now in that

1778
01:11:15,819 --> 01:11:16,600
stockpile that's

1779
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,640
meeting spec for a lot of large construction operations to

1780
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:20,439
use we've had

1781
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,279
some some folks kind of poke around and see if they could

1782
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:24,359
use it and unfortunately

1783
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:28,109
we just haven't been able to move it off site so with this

1784
01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:29,800
we have kind of a

1785
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,119
challenge ahead of us is if we do not move this off site I

1786
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:35,319
'm going to draw your

1787
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:38,140
attention to the bottom right hand corner here the realized

1788
01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:39,279
airspace savings

1789
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:42,760
we can apply basically a cost per cubic yard that's the

1790
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,319
revenue that we bring in

1791
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:47,680
for a cubic yard of airspace and so at that 10% diversion

1792
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:48,680
rate you know it

1793
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,239
looks like we've saved about 1.4 million dollars in terms

1794
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:52,399
of these operations

1795
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:55,750
combined if we're unable to move that rubble off site we

1796
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:56,800
may actually end up

1797
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,119
consuming about 6.2 million dollars worth of airspace and

1798
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,239
so again if we're

1799
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,680
looking at what is the purpose of these operations if

1800
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,880
saving airspace is a top

1801
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,819
priority we need to be very careful about what we allow

1802
01:12:09,819 --> 01:12:11,039
into our facility and

1803
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:14,020
the stuff that needs to be here the municipal solid waste

1804
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:14,920
to the building

1805
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,479
materials that's where our diversion efforts really need to

1806
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:18,159
be focused to be

1807
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,979
staff's recommendation to go back to the overall financials

1808
01:12:22,979 --> 01:12:24,159
of this the rubble

1809
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,060
slash BMR budget for fiscal year 18 19 we're projecting a

1810
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:28,359
loss of about 2.4

1811
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:32,279
million dollars what that means that loss equates to if you

1812
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:32,800
break that out

1813
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,600
over our traditional diversion rate is it cost us about 383

1814
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,800
dollars per ton to

1815
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,619
divert material understand that it's and I'm not saying to

1816
01:12:40,619 --> 01:12:41,760
dispose of things in

1817
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,960
the landfill other diversion operations are much more

1818
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,079
economical in that 323

1819
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:51,560
dollars not 383 I apologize understand that it cost us

1820
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,199
about 38 dollars per

1821
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,329
ton to dispose of material so it's almost a tenfold

1822
01:12:56,329 --> 01:12:57,359
increase in the

1823
01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:01,039
diversion for these two operations our approach from a

1824
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:02,680
staff standpoint over

1825
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,779
here is kind of the historical losses on that I don't need

1826
01:13:04,779 --> 01:13:05,560
to belabor the point

1827
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,649
our recommendation would be to at least for the time being

1828
01:13:08,649 --> 01:13:09,880
eliminate the rubble

1829
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,010
operation we do not need to accept any additional concrete

1830
01:13:13,010 --> 01:13:14,199
or asphalt we're

1831
01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:17,149
gonna have a hard time continuing with the asset slash

1832
01:13:17,149 --> 01:13:18,479
liability that we have

1833
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,069
on site from the building materials recovery I think Neil

1834
01:13:22,069 --> 01:13:22,960
put it really well

1835
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,189
is we need to reevaluate how we're going about that

1836
01:13:26,189 --> 01:13:28,359
operation we have a number of

1837
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:31,819
issues on site I took a photo this morning as I entered the

1838
01:13:31,819 --> 01:13:33,359
facility about

1839
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:36,640
illegal dumping this is our recycling drop-off site on the

1840
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:37,920
corner of May Hill

1841
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,689
this is this is not an extraordinary day this is another

1842
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:43,100
day at the office coming

1843
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:46,329
into our facility is unfortunately folks aren't using this

1844
01:13:46,329 --> 01:13:47,880
responsibly and so

1845
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,939
what we would propose is let's eliminate some of the more

1846
01:13:50,939 --> 01:13:52,199
costly components of

1847
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:54,649
the building materials recovery operation namely a lot of

1848
01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:55,319
the big pieces

1849
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:59,079
of equipment let's repurpose that as a public drop-off area

1850
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:00,359
it would be a man

1851
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:04,630
site where we can divert what's what's reasonable to divert

1852
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:05,880
shedding some of the

1853
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,470
cost but also moving the recycling drop-off site behind the

1854
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:11,439
gate and really

1855
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,159
unfortunately when you have a situation like this none of

1856
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:15,279
this is probably

1857
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:20,229
getting recycled we've run a few loads through Pratt on

1858
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:21,399
these sites and it's up

1859
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:25,670
to 80 90 percent contamination and it's really unfair to

1860
01:14:25,670 --> 01:14:26,479
the folks that are

1861
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,210
using those sites responsibly that this is happening but I

1862
01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:30,000
think that's an

1863
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,279
opportunity for us to address a few problems all at once by

1864
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:34,920
by repurposing

1865
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,949
that operation the reason why we're asking for that is we

1866
01:14:38,949 --> 01:14:40,039
are going to be

1867
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:42,340
coming back to the board and the council within the next

1868
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:43,279
few weeks to talk about

1869
01:14:43,279 --> 01:14:46,260
number one our budget but also understand that any loss

1870
01:14:46,260 --> 01:14:47,159
that we take in

1871
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:50,359
an operation like the BMR or rebel processing that has to

1872
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:51,000
be made up

1873
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,220
somewhere in our operation in terms of revenue and that

1874
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:55,119
requires rate

1875
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:58,880
subsidization if we were to step away from these operations

1876
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:59,399
and try to

1877
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:02,510
extract ourselves from some of the costly equipment

1878
01:15:02,510 --> 01:15:03,960
components you probably

1879
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,850
have very minimal upfront savings you're still going to

1880
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:07,960
have to contend with some

1881
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,869
debt service on the equipment but by year five you probably

1882
01:15:10,869 --> 01:15:11,600
stepped away from

1883
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,420
sixty to seventy five percent of the expense so I know that

1884
01:15:15,420 --> 01:15:16,560
's a lot to take

1885
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,170
in I'm talking really fast but I wanted to kind of put that

1886
01:15:20,170 --> 01:15:21,079
out there this

1887
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:25,779
evening and just kind of take the public utilities boards

1888
01:15:25,779 --> 01:15:27,239
guidance on that

1889
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:36,359
comments I agree to eliminate the rubble that's that's not

1890
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:37,479
a solid waste issue

1891
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,329
that's that's outside of what our core services should have

1892
01:15:41,329 --> 01:15:42,520
been I'm not sure

1893
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,310
how we got into that but that's that's not handling mixed

1894
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:47,600
municipal solid waste

1895
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,869
and we'll be more yes and I think reconfiguring we can make

1896
01:15:51,869 --> 01:15:52,239
that more

1897
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:55,880
effective I think we want to protect the diversion rate but

1898
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,479
understand on the

1899
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,510
rebel if we don't accept it it's already diverted and right

1900
01:15:59,510 --> 01:16:00,520
now we're losing air

1901
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:09,020
space as a result of that operation so do we have some

1902
01:16:09,020 --> 01:16:11,119
financials that show us

1903
01:16:11,119 --> 01:16:15,789
like each year how we did I mean I know I've gone out there

1904
01:16:15,789 --> 01:16:16,600
and the rubble has

1905
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,220
been gone and the pile gets built up again and then it goes

1906
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:23,119
away so is there

1907
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:26,390
you know before we pull the trigger on any decisions is

1908
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:27,640
there a way we can see

1909
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,909
I mean did we lose a customer and that's no longer buying

1910
01:16:31,909 --> 01:16:33,600
it from us anymore is

1911
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,750
that what's happened I mean something's had to have

1912
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:36,819
happened or we would have

1913
01:16:36,819 --> 01:16:39,600
realized this three years ago that it was not a money-

1914
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,439
making or not profitable

1915
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:46,119
situation it's a in terms of our evaluation and the

1916
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:47,319
challenge in terms of

1917
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:50,170
our budget and we'll talk more about this in a few weeks is

1918
01:16:50,170 --> 01:16:50,920
a lot of these

1919
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,720
operations were co-mingled under the landfill budget when

1920
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:55,760
we break this apart

1921
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,590
and we start looking at what were the actual expenses of

1922
01:16:58,590 --> 01:16:59,640
the operation it's

1923
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,619
difficult for us to nail down exactly was that expense

1924
01:17:02,619 --> 01:17:04,039
truly for that operation

1925
01:17:04,039 --> 01:17:07,239
was something else what's not difficult to assess is the

1926
01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:08,039
revenue that's coming

1927
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:12,880
in off of these operations and so this goes back to 2014

1928
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:13,800
the gate revenue is

1929
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,680
essentially what we charged for people entering the

1930
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,399
facility to dispose a rubble

1931
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:22,090
and or the BMR gate rate or no I'm sorry this is just rub

1932
01:17:22,090 --> 01:17:25,640
ble on this one of the

1933
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,659
challenges or maybe one of the reasons the explanations of

1934
01:17:28,659 --> 01:17:29,680
why that stockpile

1935
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,470
so great is we were charging below gate rates in terms of

1936
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:35,119
bringing the material

1937
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:38,239
into the facility and so there was some incentive for some

1938
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:39,479
of these contractors

1939
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:44,180
to haul their rubble here in terms of that the commodity

1940
01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:45,840
sales understand that

1941
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,439
these figures up here include sales that we're making to

1942
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:49,239
ourselves as an

1943
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:52,170
organization and so as best I can tell we don't have a

1944
01:17:52,170 --> 01:17:53,359
market that's ever

1945
01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:57,050
materialized for this material you know you can certainly

1946
01:17:57,050 --> 01:17:58,199
look at that and say

1947
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:00,890
we should do a better job of marketing it but I think we

1948
01:18:00,890 --> 01:18:01,800
have what I in my

1949
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,899
estimation would be an inferior product at this stage and

1950
01:18:04,899 --> 01:18:06,039
so we really have our

1951
01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:08,149
work cut out for us to figure out how are we going to move

1952
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:08,880
this material

1953
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,210
off-site and or draw it down as Neil said and use it in our

1954
01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:15,039
operations I think at

1955
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:17,329
the current burn rate that we have for using this material

1956
01:18:17,329 --> 01:18:18,119
on-site it would

1957
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:21,489
take us about ten years to burn through the stockpile and

1958
01:18:21,489 --> 01:18:23,159
so it's really going

1959
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,810
to be I think whenever we say eliminate rebel operations we

1960
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:27,720
're really talking

1961
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:32,079
about preventing the stockpiles from going any larger and

1962
01:18:32,079 --> 01:18:34,079
before we can get it

1963
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:36,619
just to allow us an opportunity to get our feet under us to

1964
01:18:36,619 --> 01:18:38,279
really assess can

1965
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:41,159
we take what we have on-site and make a marketable product

1966
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:42,039
and if not we need to

1967
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:44,130
start planning on how we're going to go through that stockp

1968
01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:45,119
ile operationally I

1969
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:47,710
hope all that makes sense but it's kind of where we are in

1970
01:18:47,710 --> 01:18:48,479
space and time

1971
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,840
thinking through this and so I just thought you said that

1972
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,119
maybe these numbers

1973
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:57,390
were only rubble or do they include the BMR so the gate

1974
01:18:57,390 --> 01:18:58,560
revenue is only rubble

1975
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,649
because understand the stuff that goes through the BMR we

1976
01:19:00,649 --> 01:19:01,680
're going to accept

1977
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,340
that no matter what and so that's really not a factor of

1978
01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:06,079
the evaluation when you

1979
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:09,789
look at the BMR making or breaking even what you want to

1980
01:19:09,789 --> 01:19:11,000
see is processing the

1981
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,710
materials and selling the commodities pays for that

1982
01:19:13,710 --> 01:19:15,920
diversion operation from

1983
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,039
rubble you have the opportunity to charge a different rate

1984
01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:19,800
at the gate to

1985
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,109
either accept or not accept the material so you want to

1986
01:19:22,109 --> 01:19:23,520
factor that in do we

1987
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,029
still I'm sorry do we still not take lumber from the BMR

1988
01:19:28,029 --> 01:19:29,560
and grind it and put

1989
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,470
it in our dino dirt the lumber has never been used in that

1990
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:34,319
operation now there

1991
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:37,220
was an operation that was canceled in December where the

1992
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:38,359
ground up lumber was

1993
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:42,920
being used as compost for liquid products but that was a

1994
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,359
hundred percent

1995
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:50,630
waste products it was never fully diverted and then back to

1996
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:51,800
the gate

1997
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,850
revenue we were below market so we ended up being the

1998
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:57,520
dumping ground because we

1999
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,789
were the cheapest alternative which that's how business

2000
01:20:00,789 --> 01:20:02,920
works that's correct

2001
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,340
yeah and that kind of goes back to you know who's bringing

2002
01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:10,680
it in is it I mean it

2003
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,930
may be worth driving from some other part of the region

2004
01:20:13,930 --> 01:20:15,079
just to bring it if

2005
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:18,560
it's cheaper and you know if we're sitting on ten years

2006
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,159
worth of rubble at

2007
01:20:21,159 --> 01:20:25,720
this point I don't see how you could I mean I guess there

2008
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:26,520
is a price you could

2009
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,989
take it but I don't know that I mean you're it's costing to

2010
01:20:30,989 --> 01:20:32,680
store it but then

2011
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,529
again I go back to that's not our core service right our

2012
01:20:35,529 --> 01:20:36,640
services right a mix

2013
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,119
municipal solid waste and maybe the idea of accepting rub

2014
01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:41,439
ble is you know we can

2015
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:46,859
use it for our own bring it in for our own use yes at the

2016
01:20:46,859 --> 01:20:48,319
landfill right but

2017
01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:52,090
not make a doesn't sound like you can make an enterprise

2018
01:20:52,090 --> 01:20:53,560
out of it not not

2019
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,909
currently I mean we were certainly gonna you know kind of

2020
01:20:55,909 --> 01:20:56,880
sharpen our pencils on

2021
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,909
this and see if there's some potential there too I mean we

2022
01:20:59,909 --> 01:21:00,680
've got to deal with

2023
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,359
what we have on site yeah and I think if we find something

2024
01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:04,079
that looks promising

2025
01:21:04,079 --> 01:21:06,609
there we'll certainly run an analysis on it understand that

2026
01:21:06,609 --> 01:21:07,439
a lot of the rubble

2027
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,000
that we process is from the city of Dunn streets department

2028
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,159
and streets projects

2029
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:16,710
in the city and so what would be ideal is if we can find a

2030
01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:18,359
way to get out from

2031
01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:20,930
underneath the stockpile and take in just enough material

2032
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:21,479
to suit our

2033
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,380
operational needs at the solid waste department and I think

2034
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:26,279
like Neil said

2035
01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:28,930
we're over processing that stuff right now to make an

2036
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:30,199
inferior product and an

2037
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:32,569
attempt to sell it and this doesn't have the operational

2038
01:21:32,569 --> 01:21:33,560
value that we need on

2039
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,020
site either so I think there may be a sweet spot here and

2040
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:37,880
we're certainly

2041
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,390
going to be exploring that can you go back a couple slides

2042
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:43,640
to the household

2043
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,600
hazardous waste oh you don't need this like never mind I'll

2044
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,199
just ask is there

2045
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:55,590
any concern that now you know it's valet any concern that

2046
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:57,319
if we don't do that

2047
01:21:57,319 --> 01:22:00,739
then household hazardous waste is gonna end up in the

2048
01:22:00,739 --> 01:22:02,260
garbage and end up in the

2049
01:22:02,260 --> 01:22:05,529
landfill it's a possibility now and now one of the things

2050
01:22:05,529 --> 01:22:06,960
that I haven't done

2051
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,310
the full analysis on it but we've done some some

2052
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:10,920
preliminary work and this may

2053
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,210
be a situation what we've done since Neil and Ron Ron side

2054
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:14,960
is we've actually

2055
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,699
combined the household chemical collection with our

2056
01:22:17,699 --> 01:22:18,479
appliance and

2057
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,689
electronic collection those were kind of two separate

2058
01:22:20,689 --> 01:22:22,520
things before and so what

2059
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,369
we've tried to do is combine those and get more

2060
01:22:25,369 --> 01:22:27,239
participation and so when we

2061
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:29,359
did that you essentially double up the amount of

2062
01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:30,600
participation that we're

2063
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:35,250
getting in addition we announced a few weeks ago kind of a

2064
01:22:35,250 --> 01:22:36,199
soft launch if you

2065
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:39,659
will of dropping off allowing drop-off of materials at the

2066
01:22:39,659 --> 01:22:40,640
side and so we want

2067
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,729
to try to give both of those kind of their day in court and

2068
01:22:42,729 --> 01:22:43,239
see how that

2069
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:47,920
works in addition reducing from the collection route we run

2070
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:48,760
some preliminary

2071
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,119
numbers I don't think it's going to make a huge difference

2072
01:22:51,119 --> 01:22:52,079
in terms of the

2073
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:56,170
overall rates and so I think there may be an opportunity

2074
01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:56,600
with how we've

2075
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,630
structured it now that we may be able to get some better

2076
01:22:59,630 --> 01:23:01,520
results out of it or

2077
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:11,479
down the drain which would be worse yeah I have a few

2078
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,159
questions for you how do we

2079
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:21,810
come up with a value for a cubic meter of air sure so in

2080
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:23,199
terms of a cubic yard

2081
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:27,010
as Neil pointed out during his presentation it's really

2082
01:23:27,010 --> 01:23:27,479
about

2083
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,460
compaction rates right now we're at about 1,100 pounds per

2084
01:23:30,460 --> 01:23:31,600
cubic yard now

2085
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,649
some materials a little bit more dense than others and so

2086
01:23:34,649 --> 01:23:35,720
we we have in terms

2087
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,890
of this analysis adjusted these a little bit concrete's

2088
01:23:37,890 --> 01:23:38,800
much more dense than a

2089
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,239
roll of toilet paper obviously and so whenever you do that

2090
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:43,319
you can actually

2091
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:46,760
start assigning a dollar amount we charge per ton as you

2092
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:47,960
enter the facility

2093
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,529
and so it really becomes a conversion of math equation if

2094
01:23:50,529 --> 01:23:51,479
you will of how much

2095
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,680
can we fit into an average cubic yard and right now we come

2096
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,399
up with about $16

2097
01:23:56,399 --> 01:23:59,840
now that's that's always in flux if we increase our comp

2098
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:00,960
action rate if we

2099
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,159
change our rates the cost of processing that material it

2100
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:05,039
can move a little bit

2101
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:08,460
and so that that's kind of the formula that we've applied

2102
01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:09,880
to this and are and

2103
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,640
the numbers that we use for our purposes are based on 1,100

2104
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:14,079
pounds

2105
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:19,579
currently yes that's what we're performing it so is that I

2106
01:24:19,579 --> 01:24:20,159
know we're

2107
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:25,880
this will come to us the budget yet to come to us finalized

2108
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,560
but you know where

2109
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,510
is where is this going to show up from a right standpoint

2110
01:24:32,510 --> 01:24:33,920
that's a great segue

2111
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,869
I'm going to circle back to the operational stuff and stand

2112
01:24:36,869 --> 01:24:37,119
for

2113
01:24:37,119 --> 01:24:39,329
questions on that but I want to talk a little bit about

2114
01:24:39,329 --> 01:24:40,520
next steps like I said

2115
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,630
at the outset we really broke this up into program changes

2116
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:44,880
operational changes

2117
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,829
unless the board of the council has any concerns about the

2118
01:24:47,829 --> 01:24:48,600
operational

2119
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,600
recommendations we're going to proceed kind of phasing in

2120
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:52,800
those implementations

2121
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,800
from the programs it will be proceeding with the schedule

2122
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:56,880
that I gave you all a

2123
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:02,149
little bit earlier in terms of next steps we do have a cost

2124
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:02,880
of service which

2125
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,359
is essentially a rate study being performed by new gen

2126
01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:06,880
right now we do

2127
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,569
have that teed up to come back to the pub on July 9th so

2128
01:25:10,569 --> 01:25:11,880
you'll be seeing a

2129
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,100
little bit of the rate implication on some of these

2130
01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:15,520
programs what we've really

2131
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,810
tried to do is parse out all of our operations into

2132
01:25:17,810 --> 01:25:19,039
separate business units

2133
01:25:19,039 --> 01:25:23,479
that allows for easy evaluation of the financials and then

2134
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:24,199
you can kind of

2135
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:26,649
carry that over to where does that where does that show up

2136
01:25:26,649 --> 01:25:27,760
in our rates and so

2137
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,560
new gen will be providing that discussion shortly following

2138
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:31,760
that we're

2139
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,350
currently scheduled for our department budget presentation

2140
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:36,880
on July 23rd our

2141
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,609
goal was to have kind of the operational strategic

2142
01:25:39,609 --> 01:25:41,119
discussion with you all on

2143
01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:43,479
council tomorrow come back and show you the rate

2144
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,079
implications and then come back

2145
01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:50,880
with a finalized budget I know there's a great desire there

2146
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,560
has been in the past

2147
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,510
and currently and hopefully in the future but to make sure

2148
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:57,479
that we're doing

2149
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:02,989
we're innovative in the way we approach our landfill and

2150
01:26:02,989 --> 01:26:05,960
our solid waste as far

2151
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:13,739
as renewability and doing as much as we can to be good

2152
01:26:13,739 --> 01:26:16,319
stewards of that but you

2153
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:20,199
know it's just like the mining operation sometimes you have

2154
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:21,800
to look at what the

2155
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,750
real cost is and just weigh the benefit and see if it's you

2156
01:26:26,750 --> 01:26:27,880
know if it's worth

2157
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,359
doing or maybe offering the program in some way I think in

2158
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:32,680
addition to this I

2159
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,199
know we talked a little bit about financials and what is

2160
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:35,920
the cost of a

2161
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:40,319
program and I don't want it to be lost that the we're also

2162
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:41,760
very much want to

2163
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,359
focus on what is the value what's the participation rate of

2164
01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:45,520
a program are we

2165
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,880
getting good value for those those dollars spent and I

2166
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:48,880
think kind of like we

2167
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,300
did with the rebel processing tonight is if the name of the

2168
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:53,199
game is to divert

2169
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,829
stuff away from the landfill is 10% an acceptable rate and

2170
01:26:56,829 --> 01:26:58,000
if that's the case

2171
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,569
then you know this is the cost for that diversion and we

2172
01:27:00,569 --> 01:27:01,720
definitely feel like

2173
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:06,760
those things it's not all about saving money but it's also

2174
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:07,640
about making sure

2175
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,760
that the program is performing as expected and bringing

2176
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:11,680
that back to the

2177
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,819
board and the council on a regular basis so you can either

2178
01:27:14,819 --> 01:27:15,840
give us a stamp of

2179
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,869
approval or we can go back to the drawing board and work on

2180
01:27:19,869 --> 01:27:20,520
it again

2181
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:28,310
comments well you know I think I think the three hundred

2182
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:32,840
twenty three dollars a ton is pretty telling for what you

2183
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,560
know that's kind of the cost of it so is it worth three

2184
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,649
hundred twenty three dollars a ton to do that that's kind

2185
01:27:40,649 --> 01:27:42,119
of where we come I

2186
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:45,770
think I think if I've heard the recommendation tonight is

2187
01:27:45,770 --> 01:27:46,119
we will

2188
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:48,920
certainly go back and start running some numbers on what is

2189
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:50,159
at least from the

2190
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:53,300
rebels standpoint what is the next strategy look like like

2191
01:27:53,300 --> 01:27:53,840
I said the

2192
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,189
upfront savings may not be significant because the debt

2193
01:27:56,189 --> 01:27:56,800
service on the

2194
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,760
equipment but we'll run out of five-year scenario and then

2195
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,039
we'll also inform our

2196
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:03,640
rate consultant that that's that's what we need to carry

2197
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:04,720
forward for your next

2198
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,840
presentation and so if you modify any of those other

2199
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:08,920
programs we're talking about

2200
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,260
you'll come back to us and we'll discuss that most

2201
01:28:11,260 --> 01:28:12,319
certainly and I think

2202
01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:14,409
especially when it comes to something like curbside

2203
01:28:14,409 --> 01:28:15,520
recycling and programs like

2204
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,279
that you know those are those are near and dear to a lot of

2205
01:28:18,279 --> 01:28:19,199
folks hearts and we

2206
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:22,220
want to make sure that we have good data for you I think

2207
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:23,439
Neil and Ron did a

2208
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,720
tremendous amount of work with their short time on on site

2209
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:27,880
some of this is

2210
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,470
going to be a little bit more involved to where we really

2211
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:31,439
need to get out there

2212
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,529
and understand what we're dealing with in the community so

2213
01:28:33,529 --> 01:28:34,760
I would expect a lot

2214
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,430
more information coming from us in the next you know six to

2215
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:38,279
nine months on those

2216
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:43,409
programs I have a couple more things real quick oh sorry it

2217
01:28:43,409 --> 01:28:45,439
seems like a while

2218
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:50,680
back we approved cameras for our the recycling places the

2219
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:51,680
self-serve

2220
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,949
recycling places we thought we approved some kind of

2221
01:28:55,949 --> 01:28:57,279
monitoring system for those

2222
01:28:57,279 --> 01:29:03,760
places we have cameras on this site right here

2223
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,800
unfortunately one of the

2224
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,720
things we may need to talk about is what does enforcement

2225
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:08,239
look like for

2226
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:11,460
illegal dumping and unfortunately the cameras that we have

2227
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:12,359
out there we've

2228
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:15,579
tried to you know pull a license plate or something and the

2229
01:29:15,579 --> 01:29:16,680
film quality is not

2230
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,319
good enough for us to do that I think that's certainly

2231
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:20,359
something that we would

2232
01:29:20,359 --> 01:29:23,949
want to explore especially if we this drop-off site is is

2233
01:29:23,949 --> 01:29:25,159
probably I mean it's

2234
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:28,840
problematic fortunately it's on our site and so we can do

2235
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:29,319
something pretty

2236
01:29:29,319 --> 01:29:32,649
immediate about it some of our remote drop-off sites we don

2237
01:29:32,649 --> 01:29:33,079
't want to eliminate

2238
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:36,100
those but what we may be talking about is how do we how do

2239
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:37,439
we improve or prevent

2240
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,560
illegal dumping from happening because it's it's really a

2241
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:41,640
drag on the program

2242
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,550
whenever those those canisters come in and it's 90%

2243
01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:46,399
contamination it defeats

2244
01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:50,670
the purpose we at one point in time I believe that was it

2245
01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:51,560
might have been with

2246
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,960
the police department there was a truck and a person who

2247
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,439
drove around and there

2248
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,920
was a number you could call like you know 390 dump or

2249
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,159
something like that to

2250
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:04,949
report illegal dumping perhaps in the organizational rest

2251
01:30:04,949 --> 01:30:05,720
ructuring there'll be

2252
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,310
some money for something like that it's a good thought this

2253
01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:10,039
is notorious

2254
01:30:10,039 --> 01:30:13,279
everywhere in the country you have a drop-off you get junk

2255
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:14,439
yeah you either

2256
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,000
got a manate or have some enforcement measures or secure it

2257
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:17,560
in some way

2258
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:23,340
somewhere yeah and now I forgot oh I do I do remember my

2259
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:24,800
question um not that we

2260
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,479
would change out trucks but what is your opinion on the

2261
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:29,720
trucks that are both a

2262
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,050
recycling and a garbage truck all in one so you're making

2263
01:30:33,050 --> 01:30:35,680
one pass is that I mean

2264
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:40,500
it's it's been popular then it's not been popular then you

2265
01:30:40,500 --> 01:30:42,159
know plus the

2266
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:47,109
wear and tear on the streets do you mean a split body truck

2267
01:30:47,109 --> 01:30:50,319
that yeah yes I

2268
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:54,279
learned something every day in this industry I was not a

2269
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:56,119
fan of split body

2270
01:30:56,119 --> 01:31:00,779
trucks because one side packs usually packs out before the

2271
01:31:00,779 --> 01:31:02,239
other side either

2272
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:05,869
the garbage packs out first or the recycling packs out but

2273
01:31:05,869 --> 01:31:06,560
I just was

2274
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,439
working with a company where they have actually and you

2275
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:11,279
might even want to

2276
01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:14,350
consider this even if you don't go to that they have four

2277
01:31:14,350 --> 01:31:15,880
axle trucks that

2278
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,369
they run on the street and they're getting nine and a half

2279
01:31:19,369 --> 01:31:20,920
tons in a split

2280
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:25,250
body truck and I'm going whoa how did that happen but that

2281
01:31:25,250 --> 01:31:26,159
's what they get I

2282
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:30,069
guess they've done a great job in training their their

2283
01:31:30,069 --> 01:31:31,359
drivers to to do it

2284
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:34,069
the right way but they got great results and yes that's

2285
01:31:34,069 --> 01:31:34,800
definitely a

2286
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:40,430
consideration and there's one truck less that goes down the

2287
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:42,439
street just have to

2288
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,119
work out the math on it and see if that works for you but

2289
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:46,319
that's definitely an

2290
01:31:46,319 --> 01:31:52,680
opportunity for you okay thank you any other questions or

2291
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,199
comments for Ethan

2292
01:31:55,199 --> 01:32:04,600
no thank you for your time thank you appreciate it okay

2293
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:10,020
item B is to receive a report hold a discussion and give

2294
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:11,760
staff direction

2295
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,619
regarding the air emissions testing at Nitten Energy Center

2296
01:32:15,619 --> 01:32:16,520
conducted by

2297
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:29,539
Black and Beach Corporation I wanted to say I counted 282,

2298
01:32:29,539 --> 01:32:30,720
000 numbers in there

2299
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:35,039
but I'd be just kidding George Morrow DME general manager

2300
01:32:35,039 --> 01:32:36,600
pleased to be here

2301
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,619
today to let you know that we've completed the emissions

2302
01:32:39,619 --> 01:32:40,520
testing for the

2303
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,270
Denton Energy Center Black and Beach was owner engineer for

2304
01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:45,079
us and they were

2305
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:48,819
responsible for contracting for the testing services and to

2306
01:32:48,819 --> 01:32:49,560
evaluate and

2307
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,590
manage the report have a couple of gentlemen who are with

2308
01:32:52,590 --> 01:32:54,039
us today Paul Lee

2309
01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:57,949
and Stephen Baker from Black and Beach their air quality

2310
01:32:57,949 --> 01:32:59,319
engineers and they

2311
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:02,340
have a I think compared to what we just heard a short

2312
01:33:02,340 --> 01:33:05,159
presentation not a short

2313
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:16,409
report Paul you want to good evening and thank you guys for

2314
01:33:16,409 --> 01:33:19,840
having me again so

2315
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,079
the agenda is pretty simple we're just going to provide you

2316
01:33:23,079 --> 01:33:24,000
an overview of the

2317
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,270
testing that we did and then obviously give you a high

2318
01:33:28,270 --> 01:33:30,720
level results of the

2319
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,069
emissions tests and then I'm going to hand over to George

2320
01:33:33,069 --> 01:33:33,840
and he's going to

2321
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,250
just talk about some of the paths forward for the Denton

2322
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:37,720
Energy Center so

2323
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:39,810
again my name is Paul Lee I'm an air quality engineer with

2324
01:33:39,810 --> 01:33:41,000
Black and Beach to

2325
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,640
go over the roles of the different entities that were

2326
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:44,479
involved in the

2327
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,149
project Black and Beach we were hired as the owner's

2328
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:49,920
engineer the engineer on the

2329
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,770
project was Burns McDonald and as OE we basically just

2330
01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:54,079
checked some of the work

2331
01:33:54,079 --> 01:33:57,159
that he did also included in our scope was the emissions

2332
01:33:57,159 --> 01:33:59,720
testing Black and

2333
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,310
Beach we were an international firm we work in many

2334
01:34:03,310 --> 01:34:05,319
industries but power had

2335
01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:07,840
was I think classically back in the day what we really

2336
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,079
caught our teeth in and

2337
01:34:09,079 --> 01:34:12,409
with that we had to demonstrate the emissions testing to

2338
01:34:12,409 --> 01:34:13,399
prove that we mean

2339
01:34:13,399 --> 01:34:16,250
the permits of state federal regulations and the contracts

2340
01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:17,159
that we signed with

2341
01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:21,020
different manufacturers so we were hired on as to to

2342
01:34:21,020 --> 01:34:23,239
overview or have oversight of

2343
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:28,189
the emissions testers we contracted with our hygiene air

2344
01:34:28,189 --> 01:34:29,359
hygiene is one of the

2345
01:34:29,359 --> 01:34:31,970
nation's leaders in emissions testing they're accredited by

2346
01:34:31,970 --> 01:34:32,920
the source testing

2347
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,359
accreditation council or stack they're accredited as an air

2348
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:37,359
emissions testing

2349
01:34:37,359 --> 01:34:43,039
body a TB and as part of that they have QA test plans that

2350
01:34:43,039 --> 01:34:44,000
you have to have

2351
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,800
reviewed they have audits every other year so there's a

2352
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,439
fair amount of clout

2353
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:55,180
that they have that they have by being a TB also within our

2354
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:56,920
hygiene they brought

2355
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,930
many people on site to do the testing because we have 12

2356
01:34:59,930 --> 01:35:00,920
engines and we're

2357
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,960
working pretty hardcore around the clock there's something

2358
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,119
called a qualified

2359
01:35:06,119 --> 01:35:09,340
stack testing individual or QSTI a lot of times testing

2360
01:35:09,340 --> 01:35:11,039
programs will have you

2361
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:14,439
know one or two of them and underneath the two QSTI so that

2362
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:15,439
act as managers

2363
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,470
there's a just qualified individuals but on this project we

2364
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:19,600
were fortunate not to

2365
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,869
have five QSTIs to be a QSTI one you had to demonstrate

2366
01:35:23,869 --> 01:35:25,560
competency but the main

2367
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,569
way you do that is by passing a test every five years you

2368
01:35:28,569 --> 01:35:29,800
have to re pass

2369
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,260
that test and there's a set of tests that you do in order

2370
01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:35,000
to be a QSTI so

2371
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,170
those are the companies that we that were involved in the

2372
01:35:38,170 --> 01:35:39,640
project just

2373
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,869
something to note air hygiene they're pretty familiar with

2374
01:35:42,869 --> 01:35:44,399
rices not just

2375
01:35:44,399 --> 01:35:46,640
words little races but all type of races but they

2376
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,479
specifically as a nationwide

2377
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:54,130
firm have done and counting 55 words all projects some of

2378
01:35:54,130 --> 01:35:55,840
them ranging from one

2379
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,859
engine to the dead engine center which was obviously 12 I

2380
01:35:59,859 --> 01:36:01,479
was told at your last

2381
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:05,479
board meeting there are some questions regarding NSPS and N

2382
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:06,800
ACS so just want to

2383
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:11,939
take a quick side and try to explain at a high level those

2384
01:36:11,939 --> 01:36:14,600
two terms so NSPS is

2385
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,960
new source performance standards oftentimes you'll hear 40

2386
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,680
CFR 60 those

2387
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,720
are the same thing so new source performance standards were

2388
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,760
a very long

2389
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:31,319
set of federal regulations that were passed way back when

2390
01:36:31,319 --> 01:36:32,640
that are technology

2391
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,560
based so if you're a waste incinerator you're covered under

2392
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:36,399
NSPS if you're a

2393
01:36:36,399 --> 01:36:39,829
coal fire power plant you have a different section in this

2394
01:36:39,829 --> 01:36:41,000
PS that same

2395
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,390
also applies for rices as we have here so there are some

2396
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:45,840
federal regulations

2397
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:51,779
based on tick the technology you are that fall under NSPS N

2398
01:36:51,779 --> 01:36:54,880
ACS is related but

2399
01:36:54,880 --> 01:37:00,380
a different term and different regulations so next stands

2400
01:37:00,380 --> 01:37:01,079
for national

2401
01:37:01,079 --> 01:37:05,350
ambient air quality standards so that is what the EPA has

2402
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:06,880
set for seven criteria

2403
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,850
pollutants the term criteria pollutants are just pollutants

2404
01:37:10,850 --> 01:37:11,840
that they have

2405
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,770
identified that they feel are detrimental to or can be

2406
01:37:14,770 --> 01:37:16,520
detrimental to human health

2407
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:21,770
so they have mandated a certain emission limit well not

2408
01:37:21,770 --> 01:37:22,760
mission limit but just an

2409
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,850
ambient air limit and that's it the individual states have

2410
01:37:26,850 --> 01:37:27,920
to come up with

2411
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:33,340
an implementation plan to submit to the federal government

2412
01:37:33,340 --> 01:37:35,319
to show the federal

2413
01:37:35,319 --> 01:37:39,189
government how they're going to meet the NACS within the

2414
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:40,520
state and implementation

2415
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,539
plan that covers a lot of the permits that they provide to

2416
01:37:44,539 --> 01:37:45,920
all facilities so

2417
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,609
that's your power plants again waste incinerators paper

2418
01:37:49,609 --> 01:37:51,079
mills auxiliary

2419
01:37:51,079 --> 01:37:54,479
boilers at mining facilities so the statement of the

2420
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:55,760
station plan has to

2421
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,890
consider all of those in effect when they submit to the

2422
01:37:57,890 --> 01:37:58,840
federal government so

2423
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:04,100
those are two sort of parallel federal regulations going on

2424
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:05,920
hopefully that that

2425
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,210
makes sense at a high level but there are a lot more intric

2426
01:38:09,210 --> 01:38:11,680
acies that I guess

2427
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,199
we'll we'll table for later but please ask me questions if

2428
01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:16,319
you would like any

2429
01:38:16,319 --> 01:38:22,000
right now or okay all right so the testing occurred May 17

2430
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:22,279
th through May

2431
01:38:22,279 --> 01:38:27,319
20th we try to do four engines a day the test protocol was

2432
01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:28,600
submitted on April

2433
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:32,869
11th by air hygiene to TCEQ generally you're supposed to

2434
01:38:32,869 --> 01:38:34,199
submit 30 days prior

2435
01:38:34,199 --> 01:38:37,859
to your testing and we did do that no comments were

2436
01:38:37,859 --> 01:38:40,000
received from the TCEQ and

2437
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,680
that's pretty standard most states don't ever comment

2438
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:43,399
unless they have a problem

2439
01:38:43,399 --> 01:38:47,720
with your test protocol silence is implied acceptance TCEQ

2440
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:48,880
was invited to

2441
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,520
witness firsthand with a representative our emissions

2442
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,000
testing but they chose not

2443
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:57,270
to participate so the the pollutants in the table and the

2444
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:58,840
EPA methods are shown

2445
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:04,039
right there we tested knocks CEO VOC's ammonia and PM which

2446
01:39:04,039 --> 01:39:04,399
stands for

2447
01:39:04,399 --> 01:39:09,239
particulate matter going back to NACS I like to just point

2448
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:09,920
out we actually did

2449
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:17,239
not test for any NACS however ozone is one the criteria

2450
01:39:17,239 --> 01:39:18,239
pollutants and knocks

2451
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:23,390
and VOCs are precursors to ozone formation so just in case

2452
01:39:23,390 --> 01:39:24,680
that was ever

2453
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:28,550
brought up in previous conversations the test durations for

2454
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:29,720
all the gases knocks

2455
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:34,119
CEO VOC's and ammonia they were all one hour PM we tested

2456
01:39:34,119 --> 01:39:34,960
for generally two

2457
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:38,930
hours the reason why I say generally is because we're more

2458
01:39:38,930 --> 01:39:39,880
concerned about the

2459
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,569
volume of sample that we have that's supposed to the actual

2460
01:39:42,569 --> 01:39:44,039
time we try to

2461
01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:49,310
have a sample rate and our nozzle size on a probe adjusted

2462
01:39:49,310 --> 01:39:50,840
to collect a set

2463
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,369
amount of volume within a certain time and we just targeted

2464
01:39:53,369 --> 01:39:54,159
two hours it wasn't

2465
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:57,010
always two hours but we always did get a minimum sample

2466
01:39:57,010 --> 01:39:58,880
volume of 60 and actually

2467
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,279
we targeted more closer to a hundred sixty is a bare

2468
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:02,920
minimum that you have to

2469
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:09,260
sample so we did achieve that yeah of course where it lists

2470
01:40:09,260 --> 01:40:11,000
EPA methods yes are

2471
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,760
there other methods that you could use to run those tests

2472
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:15,680
or those the

2473
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,529
prescribed methods and you have to use those yeah great

2474
01:40:18,529 --> 01:40:20,000
question um for

2475
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,710
environmental compliance EPA test methods and these EPA

2476
01:40:24,710 --> 01:40:25,640
test methods are

2477
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:30,039
actually part of NSPS they were promulgated in federal code

2478
01:40:30,039 --> 01:40:31,399
under NSPS

2479
01:40:31,399 --> 01:40:36,130
appendix a of 40 CFR 60 and these test methods are actually

2480
01:40:36,130 --> 01:40:37,119
used internationally

2481
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:40,369
I mean Canada has theirs I think they come out under a

2482
01:40:40,369 --> 01:40:41,680
different name but

2483
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,920
they're effectively the same thing working projects in Asia

2484
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,119
we use EPA test

2485
01:40:46,119 --> 01:40:52,720
methods from US EPA yeah these are also pretty standard for

2486
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:53,520
the pollutants like

2487
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,189
there's different methods like method 20 you could use for

2488
01:40:56,189 --> 01:40:57,560
knocks it's very

2489
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,560
similar to method 70 but I would say the vast majority of

2490
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:01,640
time you can see method

2491
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:07,140
70 for knocks ammonia we use method 320 you could use

2492
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:08,319
another method called CTM

2493
01:41:08,319 --> 01:41:13,510
27 both were accepted in the test protocol we submitted to

2494
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:14,199
the TCEQ we

2495
01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:19,699
said we're gonna use method 320 again this accepted method

2496
01:41:19,699 --> 01:41:20,760
very common

2497
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:25,199
that's nice are these these methods are they spelled out in

2498
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:28,439
our TCEQ permit which

2499
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:33,159
ones we need to use actually no so as a minor source we the

2500
01:41:33,159 --> 01:41:34,279
standard permit that

2501
01:41:34,279 --> 01:41:37,869
TCEQ gave us did not explicitly state which test method you

2502
01:41:37,869 --> 01:41:39,920
had to use so I

2503
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,779
sort of took it upon myself to identify the most common

2504
01:41:43,779 --> 01:41:45,600
methods which are here

2505
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:50,350
listed again method 320 could be CTM 27 but both are really

2506
01:41:50,350 --> 01:41:53,199
used very commonly

2507
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:58,239
but I will say even though the permit us being a minor

2508
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:00,039
source have having a

2509
01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:02,880
standard permit even though it wasn't explicit in it these

2510
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,439
test methods would

2511
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:08,479
be very much accepted and we again we didn't receive any

2512
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:09,199
comments back from

2513
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:13,199
TCEQ saying you should not use 70 you have to use method 20

2514
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,079
right so we went

2515
01:42:15,079 --> 01:42:20,500
forward sorry of course is there any advantage to using one

2516
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:21,439
method over the

2517
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:27,250
other either way for air quality or I mean is there any

2518
01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:28,039
advantage either way

2519
01:42:28,039 --> 01:42:34,520
for using to me no especially when we talk about 320 and CT

2520
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,119
M 27 when I

2521
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:40,479
previously talked about method 20 over 7e I prefer method

2522
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,239
70 because 20 if you

2523
01:42:43,239 --> 01:42:45,979
read it actually just refers to 70 over and over and over

2524
01:42:45,979 --> 01:42:49,119
again I do feel yeah

2525
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:59,369
it's I think your perspective there yes yes yes yeah anyone

2526
01:42:59,369 --> 01:43:01,680
else good

2527
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:05,359
thought be a good idea just give you guys a little visual

2528
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:06,279
of the actual

2529
01:43:06,279 --> 01:43:10,029
apparatus and the equipment that we we did might not be the

2530
01:43:10,029 --> 01:43:11,119
most exciting can

2531
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:13,640
you guys see my mouse up there all right great so this

2532
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,720
black line is going to be

2533
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,720
our sample line it's connected to the probe that we have

2534
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:20,760
stuck into the duck

2535
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:26,550
work pulling sample gas and is going down into our trailer

2536
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:27,680
which has our

2537
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:34,779
analyzers here is our FTIR the FTIR is used for method 320

2538
01:43:34,779 --> 01:43:35,680
measuring ammonia

2539
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:39,520
it's a actually sort of a sense of machine but we one of

2540
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:40,640
our QSTIs was

2541
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:44,060
specialized in analyzers and I'm glad he was around site

2542
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:45,239
because these are

2543
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:49,720
sensitive machines they're very precise and they're great

2544
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:51,000
but they can be a

2545
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,420
little sensitive and he was around to make sure it worked

2546
01:43:53,420 --> 01:43:55,560
properly so flue gas

2547
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,609
comes in from the probe probe in the stack into our FTIR

2548
01:43:59,609 --> 01:44:01,079
measures ammonia

2549
01:44:01,079 --> 01:44:06,029
then it goes and is split off into a gas conditioning plate

2550
01:44:06,029 --> 01:44:07,520
here and also to our

2551
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,899
VOC the gas conditioning plate basically just removes

2552
01:44:10,899 --> 01:44:12,920
moisture from your sample

2553
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,779
gas and we want to remove moisture because water can be an

2554
01:44:16,779 --> 01:44:17,960
interference for

2555
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,600
the NOx and the CO analyzer so we have to remove the

2556
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:21,880
moisture and then the

2557
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:27,630
flue gas goes through there into our thermo NOx CO analy

2558
01:44:27,630 --> 01:44:29,800
zers we don't want

2559
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:34,390
to move water from flue gas for VOC measurements because VO

2560
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:35,079
Cs can be

2561
01:44:35,079 --> 01:44:38,010
absorbed by water so if you remove the moisture you could

2562
01:44:38,010 --> 01:44:39,500
get false lows of the

2563
01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:44,210
actual VOC measurements so here are the the lovely analy

2564
01:44:44,210 --> 01:44:45,119
zers that we used

2565
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,560
thermos a lead manufacturer you'll see them often around

2566
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,359
this right here was to

2567
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:53,840
measure the oxygen concentration that we have used for a

2568
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,100
lot of our calculations

2569
01:44:55,100 --> 01:45:03,300
pretty much the PM sample train was not done through analy

2570
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:05,039
zers it it never is

2571
01:45:05,039 --> 01:45:07,649
just because particulates a solid you have to collect it

2572
01:45:07,649 --> 01:45:08,640
you have to analyze

2573
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:13,039
in the laboratory so here's a schematic of what the train

2574
01:45:13,039 --> 01:45:13,880
looks like so here's

2575
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,770
our nozzle this is the only point of entry of flue gas into

2576
01:45:17,770 --> 01:45:19,880
this entire system

2577
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:23,670
before and after the test we we put a stopper into that

2578
01:45:23,670 --> 01:45:25,199
nozzle and make sure

2579
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:28,829
that the integrity of that system is is good that there's

2580
01:45:28,829 --> 01:45:29,840
no leaks of ambient

2581
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,899
air coming into our train to dilute the sample that is the

2582
01:45:32,899 --> 01:45:34,640
only source of flue

2583
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:40,520
gas into our train so as flue gas enters our nozzle here it

2584
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,880
is a filter through a

2585
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:48,399
filterable particulate matter filter if you see a term FPM

2586
01:45:48,399 --> 01:45:49,920
or ever hear the term

2587
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,750
of front half when talking about emissions testing that's

2588
01:45:52,750 --> 01:45:53,319
what we're

2589
01:45:53,319 --> 01:45:56,439
talking about here the front half or filter filterable

2590
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:57,840
particulate matter so

2591
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:03,340
you know commonly like dust rocks what we commonly think of

2592
01:46:03,340 --> 01:46:04,960
PM as for testing

2593
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:09,960
though with PM there's filterable and condensable condens

2594
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:11,199
ables are that type

2595
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:14,170
of particulate matter that isn't really apparent at hotter

2596
01:46:14,170 --> 01:46:15,319
temperatures but once

2597
01:46:15,319 --> 01:46:18,319
you settle down cooler temperatures it condenses out so

2598
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:20,479
here after the filter

2599
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:24,739
we go through a vertical condenser we drop out water is

2600
01:46:24,739 --> 01:46:25,960
continuously circulated

2601
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:28,600
through this little thing coin the flue gas temperature

2602
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:30,199
down and then as a flue

2603
01:46:30,199 --> 01:46:33,619
gas passes through it CPM or a condensable particulate

2604
01:46:33,619 --> 01:46:35,399
matter will form

2605
01:46:35,399 --> 01:46:39,380
and then be taken out by this filter here this back half is

2606
01:46:39,380 --> 01:46:40,640
actually filled

2607
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:44,560
with ice to further cool the flue gas down to below the dew

2608
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:45,720
point so we collect

2609
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,600
all the moisture that's going through the flue gas we want

2610
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,560
the moisture to do

2611
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:55,600
another calculation for the molecular weight of the flue

2612
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,399
gas the pump here is

2613
01:46:57,399 --> 01:46:59,569
really what's pulling all the flue gas through the train so

2614
01:46:59,569 --> 01:47:00,199
it goes through

2615
01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:04,050
there and the dry gas meter measures how much flue gas we

2616
01:47:04,050 --> 01:47:06,079
're collecting this is

2617
01:47:06,079 --> 01:47:08,729
also important because we measure the pressure drop across

2618
01:47:08,729 --> 01:47:10,140
this peel tube we

2619
01:47:10,140 --> 01:47:12,579
have measurements of it we know the K factor refraction

2620
01:47:12,579 --> 01:47:13,640
factors across that

2621
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:17,420
peel tube and we could basically do a big calculation to

2622
01:47:17,420 --> 01:47:18,800
figure out how much

2623
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:24,319
flue gas we're collecting here's a picture of what we

2624
01:47:24,319 --> 01:47:25,760
actually did here's

2625
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:30,119
our PM probe right there here is the probe that black line

2626
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:30,640
that was referring

2627
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,359
to in that other schematic that goes all over analyzers it

2628
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:34,680
is attached to a probe

2629
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:40,449
sort of hard to see there that's also stuck in this is not

2630
01:47:40,449 --> 01:47:43,279
assembled but this

2631
01:47:43,279 --> 01:47:46,399
is the train that I was referring to here's our our little

2632
01:47:46,399 --> 01:47:47,359
condenser where

2633
01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:53,359
vertical dropout here's a CPM filter and a Pinger's and P

2634
01:47:53,359 --> 01:47:54,640
inger's just being a

2635
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:59,119
fancy word for classware yeah here are the meter boxes so

2636
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:00,079
this dry gas meter

2637
01:48:00,079 --> 01:48:03,079
that you saw here here's a pump that you saw in the

2638
01:48:03,079 --> 01:48:05,000
schematic we tried to do two

2639
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:09,439
engines at a time per engine hall there's a North Hall and

2640
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:10,560
South Hall so

2641
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,600
we're trying to do four at a time so we just had an

2642
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,880
operator here looking at all

2643
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,560
of the measurements and join them down to make sure we're

2644
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:20,520
on track to collect

2645
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:26,220
our full sample that we need after we're done with the PM

2646
01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:28,439
sample train we

2647
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:32,300
actually wash the inside of the probe to make sure that any

2648
01:48:32,300 --> 01:48:33,159
filter will

2649
01:48:33,159 --> 01:48:35,800
particular matter that sort of attached itself inside the

2650
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:36,680
probe is good gets

2651
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,659
collected we want to collect all the PM that isn't in the

2652
01:48:40,659 --> 01:48:42,380
flue gas we also wash

2653
01:48:42,380 --> 01:48:46,039
all of the impinges as well and so these bottles that you

2654
01:48:46,039 --> 01:48:47,279
see here have the

2655
01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:50,220
washes from all of our samples well a portion of our

2656
01:48:50,220 --> 01:48:52,520
samples and these here

2657
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,380
these little black things are actually are filterable PM

2658
01:48:56,380 --> 01:48:58,520
filters they look

2659
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:03,069
dirty but um from my previous experiences with other rice

2660
01:49:03,069 --> 01:49:04,000
engines as

2661
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:09,859
well as with air hygiene engines that's not not actually PM

2662
01:49:09,859 --> 01:49:11,399
that's on the on

2663
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:15,029
those basically the temperature of the flue gas from the

2664
01:49:15,029 --> 01:49:17,640
rice is so hot and if

2665
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:22,079
you ever get out to site and then feel it it's hot that the

2666
01:49:22,079 --> 01:49:23,920
the filter itself

2667
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:27,529
starts to char it's not burning burning you're not gonna

2668
01:49:27,529 --> 01:49:29,199
see any flames but yeah

2669
01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:31,680
there's a charring effect that you see on the filter

2670
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:32,840
surface just due to

2671
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:36,279
temperature these filters are weighed in a laboratory

2672
01:49:36,279 --> 01:49:37,720
before we do testing and

2673
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,479
after we do testing their weight again and sure enough

2674
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:41,000
there was no

2675
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,189
appreciable matter on these FPM filters so it's actually

2676
01:49:44,189 --> 01:49:47,479
just a charring effect

2677
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:55,529
and now the moment of truth huh okay so on the left hand

2678
01:49:55,529 --> 01:49:56,880
side there's the engines

2679
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,359
on the top hence top across the columns those are the

2680
01:50:00,359 --> 01:50:02,039
pollutants that we tested

2681
01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:06,420
in parentheses are our permit limits so you'll see 1.33

2682
01:50:06,420 --> 01:50:08,439
pounds per hour is what

2683
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:16,479
the permit had for NOx VOC is 2.07 ammonia PM 3.17 etc the

2684
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:17,159
values that you

2685
01:50:17,159 --> 01:50:21,770
see are the average of three tests so for each pollutant on

2686
01:50:21,770 --> 01:50:23,119
each engine we did

2687
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:26,199
three tests you know one test it's by itself could be a

2688
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:27,399
false low or false I

2689
01:50:27,399 --> 01:50:30,880
should say false low it could be higher or lower than what

2690
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,199
's indicative of the

2691
01:50:32,199 --> 01:50:35,289
average right so you always want to do three tests confirm

2692
01:50:35,289 --> 01:50:37,079
and get a more of a

2693
01:50:37,079 --> 01:50:42,500
sturdy answer so as you can see the average of the three

2694
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:44,279
tests for each

2695
01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:49,319
pollutant on each engine is below what the permit had us

2696
01:50:49,319 --> 01:50:54,000
limited to yes yes at

2697
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,949
times very significantly below there's one number I would

2698
01:50:56,949 --> 01:50:57,840
like to talk about

2699
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,590
but I just want to give you guys a few seconds to look at

2700
01:51:00,590 --> 01:51:02,119
the table because I I

2701
01:51:02,119 --> 01:51:07,619
know that's a lot of numbers there are you gonna talk you

2702
01:51:07,619 --> 01:51:08,359
're my maybe gonna

2703
01:51:08,359 --> 01:51:13,079
attack the PM numbers yes 2.23 yeah that's a I mean next

2704
01:51:13,079 --> 01:51:15,239
slide okay okay any

2705
01:51:15,239 --> 01:51:19,010
others that you guys would like me to talk about well I

2706
01:51:19,010 --> 01:51:19,600
have a just a strange

2707
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,920
procedural question sure it seems like we spent a long time

2708
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:24,640
not publishing the

2709
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:28,010
contract limits and there they write are no these aren't

2710
01:51:28,010 --> 01:51:29,000
the contract don't

2711
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,949
there's the same as work civil contract limits right there

2712
01:51:32,949 --> 01:51:35,119
oh yeah I had

2713
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:37,329
actually not seen the contract we were never given it but I

2714
01:51:37,329 --> 01:51:39,520
was told that the

2715
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,899
contract limits were used for a permit so they are

2716
01:51:43,899 --> 01:51:46,239
effectively are the same

2717
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:52,750
okay but that goes back to yeah okay all right so do you

2718
01:51:52,750 --> 01:51:54,279
want my question on the

2719
01:51:54,279 --> 01:51:57,659
PM or you just gonna cover it because isn't that normal

2720
01:51:57,659 --> 01:51:59,159
that you're gonna have

2721
01:51:59,159 --> 01:52:03,430
oils and other things in the construction oh okay all right

2722
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:04,079
that's what you're

2723
01:52:04,079 --> 01:52:09,090
gonna say no you're a mind reader um so as you can see from

2724
01:52:09,090 --> 01:52:11,239
the previous slide

2725
01:52:11,239 --> 01:52:16,880
all of these values are around one or below and here we

2726
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,640
have 2.23 which is

2727
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:24,859
double or triple what the other engines were testing yet so

2728
01:52:24,859 --> 01:52:25,840
when we were when

2729
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:32,859
we were doing the tests the first run on PM on engine one

2730
01:52:32,859 --> 01:52:35,399
the backwash the washes

2731
01:52:35,399 --> 01:52:40,609
on the the back end it was dirty I was looking at it and it

2732
01:52:40,609 --> 01:52:41,359
was just dirty

2733
01:52:41,359 --> 01:52:43,800
compared to the other tests that we had a collect at the

2734
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,479
time it was clearly

2735
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:49,319
something I'd accumulated in that engine when we ran test

2736
01:52:49,319 --> 01:52:51,239
two and test three that

2737
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:54,460
day and we got those results back they look clear just like

2738
01:52:54,460 --> 01:52:55,159
all the other

2739
01:52:55,159 --> 01:52:58,359
engines had now in my experience whether you're talking

2740
01:52:58,359 --> 01:52:59,399
about combustion turbines

2741
01:52:59,399 --> 01:53:04,149
or rises you try to circumvent it by having the engines run

2742
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:05,000
for a certain

2743
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:09,050
amount of time but it's common that residual grease is like

2744
01:53:09,050 --> 01:53:10,199
literally from

2745
01:53:10,199 --> 01:53:13,220
construction workers gloves or act the actual lubricants

2746
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:14,159
that are intentionally

2747
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:19,380
placed inside the equipment those need to burn off and you

2748
01:53:19,380 --> 01:53:20,800
try to run the

2749
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,010
engines or the turbines for a certain amount of time to

2750
01:53:23,010 --> 01:53:24,359
burn all of that off

2751
01:53:24,359 --> 01:53:28,989
before you do your emissions testing but here I would con

2752
01:53:28,989 --> 01:53:30,560
jecture that it would

2753
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:34,029
had not been done because run one was dirty runs two and

2754
01:53:34,029 --> 01:53:35,199
three were were

2755
01:53:35,199 --> 01:53:37,979
incredibly clean very clean I don't remember the exact

2756
01:53:37,979 --> 01:53:39,560
numbers but they were

2757
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:43,960
below one pounds per hour where you average them yes

2758
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:44,960
average one burnt it

2759
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,800
all off the other two were clean yes yeah so that is the

2760
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:49,439
ultimate result

2761
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,859
engine one passed on p.m. but the value looks higher

2762
01:53:52,859 --> 01:53:53,960
compared to the rest

2763
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:58,319
because of one one engine one seems like an outlier

2764
01:53:58,319 --> 01:53:59,479
compared to all the other

2765
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:05,279
data sets we have just one engine there was another engine

2766
01:54:05,279 --> 01:54:05,920
that was slightly

2767
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:10,189
higher yeah not above yeah yeah but probably the same

2768
01:54:10,189 --> 01:54:13,000
explanation yeah yeah

2769
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:20,789
but still that's significantly below the permit levels yes

2770
01:54:20,789 --> 01:54:22,520
throughout the testing

2771
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:25,880
it should also point out that we do continuous QA so all

2772
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:26,640
that those

2773
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:31,590
analyzers I was showing you earlier we would bring we had

2774
01:54:31,590 --> 01:54:33,039
on site calibrated

2775
01:54:33,039 --> 01:54:37,310
gas concentrations that were past EPA test protocols so you

2776
01:54:37,310 --> 01:54:37,960
know I don't

2777
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,409
remember the exact concentrations but say we have a gas

2778
01:54:40,409 --> 01:54:41,479
bottle of 10 ppm of

2779
01:54:41,479 --> 01:54:45,050
knocks we have run into our analyzer that analyzer has to

2780
01:54:45,050 --> 01:54:46,680
read very close to 10

2781
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,000
ppm of knocks otherwise that entire test fails we have to

2782
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,000
fix our analyzer and go

2783
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,630
through our test again we did not have that problem all

2784
01:54:54,630 --> 01:54:55,640
those analyzers came to

2785
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:59,760
site prepared they were good all the QA checks passed the p

2786
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,159
.m. trains again the

2787
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:03,989
post and pre leak checks they passed so the integrity of

2788
01:55:03,989 --> 01:55:05,159
that sample train was

2789
01:55:05,159 --> 01:55:09,420
good so all the QA tests passed and they are in our test

2790
01:55:09,420 --> 01:55:11,439
report here is a copy

2791
01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:14,430
this is George Morrill's test report as you can see it's it

2792
01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:16,239
's quite thick it's

2793
01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:19,829
been submitted to TCEQ and it will be viewable by the

2794
01:55:19,829 --> 01:55:22,079
public once TCEQ gets

2795
01:55:22,079 --> 01:55:26,079
reviews it and incorporate it into the website if I had to

2796
01:55:26,079 --> 01:55:27,680
say one statement a

2797
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:31,119
very blanket statement generally about the testing it's

2798
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,600
this all emissions test

2799
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:40,350
results passed thinking ahead if you're wondering about how

2800
01:55:40,350 --> 01:55:41,199
these test results

2801
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:43,500
compared to other projects have been a part of they do

2802
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:45,399
compare very favorably

2803
01:55:45,399 --> 01:55:48,630
compared to like coal fire power plants or even combustion

2804
01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:50,720
turbines the results

2805
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,810
are low and that's to be expected because as you guys know

2806
01:55:53,810 --> 01:55:54,800
you guys have a

2807
01:55:54,800 --> 01:56:01,819
the South Coast special SCR so yeah these did test very

2808
01:56:01,819 --> 01:56:04,560
well and gave a very

2809
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:10,479
comparably to other sources so that I'll hand back over to

2810
01:56:10,479 --> 01:56:11,600
George what is he

2811
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:15,859
just one question for ego yeah of course what's okay this

2812
01:56:15,859 --> 01:56:16,560
is the initial test

2813
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:22,119
yes we send for the permit so what's the ongoing testing

2814
01:56:22,119 --> 01:56:23,760
schedule or is that

2815
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:29,710
yeah is that part of your contract to do as part of your

2816
01:56:29,710 --> 01:56:31,720
well to dance with that

2817
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,539
part of the question no that's not part of a contract we'd

2818
01:56:34,539 --> 01:56:35,520
be more and help you

2819
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:40,640
to help out in the future that's the right now that it's

2820
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:42,159
not but then did

2821
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:45,329
your further question of what it is what is the testing

2822
01:56:45,329 --> 01:56:46,880
requirements going right

2823
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:55,079
I don't have a clear answer to that for you right now other

2824
01:56:55,079 --> 01:56:56,479
engine facilities

2825
01:56:56,479 --> 01:56:59,199
that I've worked on they were major sources so they had

2826
01:56:59,199 --> 01:56:59,960
more of an explicit

2827
01:56:59,960 --> 01:57:05,500
and longer test or air permit and so other projects for

2828
01:57:05,500 --> 01:57:07,760
example had to test

2829
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:15,539
every third engine every three years without without

2830
01:57:15,539 --> 01:57:18,319
letting a period of five

2831
01:57:18,319 --> 01:57:21,949
years I believe between one engine being tested so there's

2832
01:57:21,949 --> 01:57:23,119
some nuances to it

2833
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:27,689
but basically that permit did not require annual testing on

2834
01:57:27,689 --> 01:57:28,680
each engine

2835
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:34,100
and that's that facility and each facility is gonna be

2836
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:35,920
different so what

2837
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:41,720
it means for dent energy center with being a minor source

2838
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:43,680
and being the state

2839
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:49,000
of Texas as well as opposed to you know Oregon Ohio Florida

2840
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,079
I don't know that

2841
01:57:50,079 --> 01:57:53,729
specific answer but um I do have my play to try to find

2842
01:57:53,729 --> 01:57:57,319
exactly what that is yeah

2843
01:57:57,319 --> 01:58:00,989
I didn't know if there was a constant monitoring air

2844
01:58:00,989 --> 01:58:02,920
quality monitor part of

2845
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:07,189
our deal yeah for our permit for this being a minor source

2846
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:08,439
no that was not

2847
01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:14,960
required okay any other questions

2848
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:31,739
you might have seen Jason Brown our plant manager he

2849
01:58:31,739 --> 01:58:33,359
indicates that he

2850
01:58:33,359 --> 01:58:37,270
recalls our testing requirements to be every three years or

2851
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:38,439
16,000 hours

2852
01:58:38,439 --> 01:58:42,050
whichever is less but likely we're gonna do something

2853
01:58:42,050 --> 01:58:44,399
sooner than that just to

2854
01:58:44,399 --> 01:58:48,079
kind of validate everything but so we've got some time and

2855
01:58:48,079 --> 01:58:49,840
I just wanted to say I

2856
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:53,819
was impressed with the results and the quality of the work

2857
01:58:53,819 --> 01:58:55,079
that was done you

2858
01:58:55,079 --> 01:58:57,680
were forecasting in the budget that we brought to you

2859
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:58,720
depending what year it

2860
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:04,140
was somewhere between 2,300 and 2,800 hours per year 2,800

2861
01:59:04,140 --> 01:59:05,319
I think was the FY

2862
01:59:05,319 --> 01:59:08,949
19 and that sort of went down after that as we believe the

2863
01:59:08,949 --> 01:59:10,159
market prices would

2864
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:14,520
drop over time and that's going to be significantly less

2865
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:15,520
than the permit

2866
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:19,789
levels the 2,800 plant hours we have a hundred tons of

2867
01:59:19,789 --> 01:59:21,880
either NOx VOC and

2868
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,770
carbon monoxide and we're gonna be down well under that

2869
01:59:24,770 --> 01:59:26,199
with the 2,800 hours so

2870
01:59:26,199 --> 01:59:29,630
looks like we're not going to be constrained by the permit

2871
01:59:29,630 --> 01:59:30,359
emissions

2872
01:59:30,359 --> 01:59:33,949
levels will be constrained by you know what does the market

2873
01:59:33,949 --> 01:59:34,520
bear for for

2874
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:38,560
operation of the unit as was indicated by Paul you know

2875
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:39,520
there's this very

2876
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:44,470
enhanced emission control system that was optional South

2877
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:45,319
Coast air quality

2878
01:59:45,319 --> 01:59:49,579
management district grade and and it did work and reduce

2879
01:59:49,579 --> 01:59:52,760
emissions so it averaged

2880
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:55,970
the plant you know we look at NOx as one of the main

2881
01:59:55,970 --> 01:59:58,439
precursors of ozone and it

2882
01:59:58,439 --> 02:00:02,560
averaged 0.426 pounds per hour over all the units and that

2883
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:03,960
was well under 1.33

2884
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:08,260
pounds which is what our target was so so everything's

2885
02:00:08,260 --> 02:00:10,479
looking good and you know

2886
02:00:10,479 --> 02:00:13,710
this is part of our program to bring renewable energy up to

2887
02:00:13,710 --> 02:00:14,479
the hundred

2888
02:00:14,479 --> 02:00:17,930
percent level for Denton while we don't we're not required

2889
02:00:17,930 --> 02:00:19,039
as we've talked about

2890
02:00:19,039 --> 02:00:24,680
in the past having a fast start unit as part of our

2891
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:26,560
portfolio it is gonna

2892
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:34,300
provide some value to us as you know we go back just a bit

2893
02:00:34,300 --> 02:00:36,279
here you know as our

2894
02:00:36,279 --> 02:00:39,640
renewables don't operate we saw a day a couple of weeks ago

2895
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:40,520
that I I made a

2896
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:43,710
presentation before APPA and I made a picture of the of

2897
02:00:43,710 --> 02:00:45,359
what happened that day

2898
02:00:45,359 --> 02:00:48,310
prices went up as high as three thousand dollars of megaw

2899
02:00:48,310 --> 02:00:49,439
att hour and typically

2900
02:00:49,439 --> 02:00:53,159
we're looking at maybe thirty dollars or forty dollars and

2901
02:00:53,159 --> 02:00:54,439
we looked at the

2902
02:00:54,439 --> 02:00:57,260
output of our wind project out in West Texas during those

2903
02:00:57,260 --> 02:00:58,239
same three or four

2904
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:02,149
hours it had gone from 150 megawatts which is our contract

2905
02:01:02,149 --> 02:01:03,399
maximum down to

2906
02:01:03,399 --> 02:01:06,760
basically zero for three or four hours and that caused the

2907
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:07,920
market prices to go

2908
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:11,899
crazy and we would we had to pay that price for our load

2909
02:01:11,899 --> 02:01:13,079
because we buy all of

2910
02:01:13,079 --> 02:01:15,229
our load from the market and if we didn't have something

2911
02:01:15,229 --> 02:01:16,119
that we could kick

2912
02:01:16,119 --> 02:01:21,250
on to help recover that three thousand dollars then you

2913
02:01:21,250 --> 02:01:22,880
know we would you know

2914
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,850
we would be upside down in the market so the deck while it

2915
02:01:25,850 --> 02:01:26,800
's not required for

2916
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:29,100
reliability because that's air cards job and there's other

2917
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:29,880
machines left out

2918
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:33,079
there that can do that most of the time it's really makes

2919
02:01:33,079 --> 02:01:33,840
sense to us as a

2920
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:38,109
financial hedge and I think you've heard us say that in the

2921
02:01:38,109 --> 02:01:39,880
past and we'll we'll

2922
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:44,920
we'll back up our renewables with that so all is good and

2923
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:46,600
happy we could bring

2924
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:52,720
you that information so there's get you back on schedule

2925
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,439
yeah you did good

2926
02:01:54,439 --> 02:01:57,829
any any questions of George question to come I had the

2927
02:01:57,829 --> 02:01:59,479
opportunity to go see the

2928
02:01:59,479 --> 02:02:05,640
plant on June 16th and it's impressive it's yeah it took me

2929
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:06,319
through it yeah it

2930
02:02:06,319 --> 02:02:10,300
was a great tour I really enjoyed it so good job you know

2931
02:02:10,300 --> 02:02:10,680
we've got a great

2932
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:13,020
staff out there yeah I'm totally amazed and the

2933
02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:15,000
construction went well Chris

2934
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,380
Lutrik couldn't be here tonight he's having a little health

2935
02:02:17,380 --> 02:02:18,039
issue but you

2936
02:02:18,039 --> 02:02:21,100
know Chris was on top of this thing you know working with

2937
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:22,079
our contractors so

2938
02:02:22,079 --> 02:02:31,420
thank you I'm glad you enjoyed it okay thank you George

2939
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:34,000
okay the next item we

2940
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:37,909
have actually a little bit of agenda shuffle here we're

2941
02:02:37,909 --> 02:02:38,800
gonna move the closed

2942
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:43,460
meeting to the end of the meeting that's okay there's no

2943
02:02:43,460 --> 02:02:45,800
action item required on

2944
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:53,680
the closed meeting item so we can just go through the rest

2945
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:54,760
of the agenda and

2946
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:58,739
then we'll wrap up with that after we do that so that going

2947
02:02:58,739 --> 02:03:00,119
into the regular

2948
02:03:00,119 --> 02:03:05,250
meeting items for individual consideration we have the

2949
02:03:05,250 --> 02:03:06,479
draft minutes

2950
02:03:06,479 --> 02:03:15,970
of the June 18th 2018 public utility board published in

2951
02:03:15,970 --> 02:03:18,079
advance are there any

2952
02:03:18,079 --> 02:03:25,819
comments questions concerns on the minutes I had made the

2953
02:03:25,819 --> 02:03:26,520
comment about the

2954
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:29,310
recycling materials and I just want to clarify that I it

2955
02:03:29,310 --> 02:03:30,439
was a little bit about

2956
02:03:30,439 --> 02:03:35,479
what Ron or whoever was saying that because China is not

2957
02:03:35,479 --> 02:03:36,880
taking a lot of the

2958
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:41,920
recyclables they've gone from the 95% to 99% is that

2959
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,039
impacting us that's really

2960
02:03:43,039 --> 02:03:46,100
my question is that going to impact us and our recycling

2961
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:48,079
plants so I don't want

2962
02:03:48,079 --> 02:03:54,840
to stop recycling or anything like that sure okay

2963
02:03:55,399 --> 02:04:00,199
is there a motion then to accept the minutes or approve the

2964
02:04:00,199 --> 02:04:01,159
minutes as

2965
02:04:01,159 --> 02:04:08,260
submitted in a second any discussion all in favor say aye

2966
02:04:08,260 --> 02:04:10,920
aye any opposed thank

2967
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:14,710
you item B is to consider recommending adoption of an

2968
02:04:14,710 --> 02:04:15,880
ordinance of the city of

2969
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:18,880
Denton Texas authorizing the city manager or

2970
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:22,750
designee to execute a transmission line relocation

2971
02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:24,640
agreement with Toronto Real

2972
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:31,590
to Inc a Texas corporation the John Oh partners Ltd a Texas

2973
02:04:31,590 --> 02:04:32,520
limited partnership

2974
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:39,619
and NW realty a Texas corporation for the relocation of 138

2975
02:04:39,619 --> 02:04:41,159
KV transmission

2976
02:04:41,159 --> 02:04:44,579
line owned by the Texas Municipal Power Agency and

2977
02:04:44,579 --> 02:04:46,199
maintained by the city

2978
02:04:46,199 --> 02:04:51,779
located on the near west side of East loop 288 south of Sh

2979
02:04:51,779 --> 02:04:54,000
ady Oaks Drive and

2980
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:59,130
Brent Heath is here to talk about this relocation project

2981
02:04:59,130 --> 02:05:00,319
one of the owners in

2982
02:05:00,319 --> 02:05:04,649
town asked us to relocate this project TMPA the owner of

2983
02:05:04,649 --> 02:05:05,239
the line as you

2984
02:05:05,239 --> 02:05:08,489
indicated was found that to be acceptable particularly

2985
02:05:08,489 --> 02:05:09,159
since the owner

2986
02:05:09,159 --> 02:05:11,720
of the property was going to pay the price for that so we

2987
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:12,640
've got two items

2988
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,760
here we just wanted to brief you on the relocation itself

2989
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:16,720
and then the next

2990
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:19,829
item under your agenda we'll ask you to approve the

2991
02:05:19,829 --> 02:05:21,399
purchase of the polls so

2992
02:05:21,399 --> 02:05:24,600
that we can meet a timeline that the developers asked us to

2993
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:25,479
meet so Brent do

2994
02:05:25,479 --> 02:05:32,270
you want to do a overview of this for thank you George good

2995
02:05:32,270 --> 02:05:34,119
evening George

2996
02:05:34,119 --> 02:05:36,590
kind of keep the teed all this up so I'll go quickly

2997
02:05:36,590 --> 02:05:37,760
through here this is a

2998
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:41,010
transmission line relocation it is a 138 KV line that's

2999
02:05:41,010 --> 02:05:42,439
owned by TMPA that's

3000
02:05:42,439 --> 02:05:46,109
Texas Municipal Power Agency the property owner that this

3001
02:05:46,109 --> 02:05:46,720
transmission

3002
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:50,319
line resides on and exist on he's asked us to relocate a

3003
02:05:50,319 --> 02:05:51,680
portion of that to a

3004
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:54,979
different location that's on the exact same property he has

3005
02:05:54,979 --> 02:05:56,039
he does have quite

3006
02:05:56,039 --> 02:05:59,420
a bit of land in this area so we were able to work with him

3007
02:05:59,420 --> 02:06:01,079
on that he we had

3008
02:06:01,079 --> 02:06:04,090
purchased a piece of property from the same landowner in

3009
02:06:04,090 --> 02:06:05,819
the past and at that

3010
02:06:05,819 --> 02:06:09,109
time he put a portion of those proceeds that we purchased

3011
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:10,239
the land with which

3012
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:13,829
accounted to 2.2 million dollars into escrow and that is

3013
02:06:13,829 --> 02:06:14,640
being held here in

3014
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:18,189
Denton at reunion title and it was intended to pay for this

3015
02:06:18,189 --> 02:06:18,960
relocation of

3016
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:21,779
the transmission line to give you a map of where we're

3017
02:06:21,779 --> 02:06:24,000
talking about this is the

3018
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:30,359
East Loop 288 this right here is tractor supply you can see

3019
02:06:30,359 --> 02:06:31,239
the water treatment

3020
02:06:31,239 --> 02:06:34,039
plan over here in the bottom left hand corner the black

3021
02:06:34,039 --> 02:06:35,680
portion of the line

3022
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:39,949
that's parallel to East Loop 288 is the portion that he is

3023
02:06:39,949 --> 02:06:41,119
asked to be relocated

3024
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:44,710
and he wishes to have that relocated to of course it has to

3025
02:06:44,710 --> 02:06:45,720
tie at the same

3026
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:50,050
points so he wishes basically for this black line to swing

3027
02:06:50,050 --> 02:06:51,140
over to this red

3028
02:06:51,140 --> 02:06:56,680
line location it's essentially the same distance it's it's

3029
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:58,199
slightly a little bit

3030
02:06:58,199 --> 02:07:04,199
longer will require 13 poles 0.6 miles.

3031
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:10,829
Being a Texas Municipal Power Agency line City of Denton is

3032
02:07:10,829 --> 02:07:11,439
the TOP

3033
02:07:11,439 --> 02:07:14,880
transmission operator for the TMPA assets here in Denton

3034
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:16,279
County so we went

3035
02:07:16,279 --> 02:07:20,159
to the TMPA board of directors in March of 2017 they gave

3036
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:21,000
the City of Denton

3037
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,479
authorization to relocate that at the expense of the

3038
02:07:24,479 --> 02:07:26,560
property owner the

3039
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:30,039
transmission line agreement that is in front of you tonight

3040
02:07:30,039 --> 02:07:30,720
will fund the

3041
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:34,720
relocation at the actual cost of the construction not to

3042
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:36,119
exceed the escrowed

3043
02:07:36,119 --> 02:07:40,810
amount. For that after the lines relocated there will be a

3044
02:07:40,810 --> 02:07:41,680
portion of the

3045
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:44,609
overhead rights that are no longer needed where the old

3046
02:07:44,609 --> 02:07:45,520
line was at the

3047
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:47,609
city will retain the public utility easement for

3048
02:07:47,609 --> 02:07:48,680
underground rights for an

3049
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:53,810
existing water and sanitary sewer line. We wanted to

3050
02:07:53,810 --> 02:07:55,720
confirm that the 2.2

3051
02:07:55,720 --> 02:07:58,619
million dollars how does that sit today is compared to

3052
02:07:58,619 --> 02:07:59,880
years ago when we started

3053
02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:03,199
talking about this we were kind of concerned about the

3054
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:04,439
polls being still

3055
02:08:04,439 --> 02:08:08,350
with the metals prices changing rapidly here in the United

3056
02:08:08,350 --> 02:08:09,840
States and so we went

3057
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:14,109
out for a bid in May and RFP that we'll talk about next

3058
02:08:14,109 --> 02:08:15,279
down here this agenda

3059
02:08:15,279 --> 02:08:17,840
item that will be the next item it came back in a little

3060
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:18,680
higher than we

3061
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:22,020
originally anticipated but the bottom line is we still feel

3062
02:08:22,020 --> 02:08:23,319
very confident we

3063
02:08:23,319 --> 02:08:27,079
can relocate this line under the 2.2 million dollars that's

3064
02:08:27,079 --> 02:08:28,720
escrowed.

3065
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:32,630
The benefits to the line relocation besides meeting the

3066
02:08:32,630 --> 02:08:33,279
desire from the

3067
02:08:33,279 --> 02:08:36,000
property owner is for the city of Denton it does provide

3068
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,359
easier physical access

3069
02:08:37,359 --> 02:08:40,789
for our crews to operate and maintain the line along a city

3070
02:08:40,789 --> 02:08:41,880
street it does give

3071
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:44,930
new poles gives new conductors it improves the system

3072
02:08:44,930 --> 02:08:46,159
capacity performance

3073
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:51,720
and reliability. So the city of Denton after we've reviewed

3074
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:52,760
the agreement work

3075
02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:55,149
through legal with it work with the property owner we

3076
02:08:55,149 --> 02:08:56,920
recommend accepting

3077
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:59,489
the property owners 2.2 million dollars that he's holding

3078
02:08:59,489 --> 02:09:00,359
an escrow for us to

3079
02:09:00,359 --> 02:09:05,020
take. So with that I'd be happy to answer any questions

3080
02:09:05,020 --> 02:09:06,640
that you have.

3081
02:09:07,079 --> 02:09:11,680
Questions? Do you mind putting the map back up please?

3082
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:17,560
Certainly. So everything in

3083
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:24,189
the red line when if I recall when the property acquisition

3084
02:09:24,189 --> 02:09:25,140
for the substation

3085
02:09:25,140 --> 02:09:28,739
was made did that include the easement cost? Yes sir it did

3086
02:09:28,739 --> 02:09:30,000
. That's already acquired. So that's

3087
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:37,319
already done. That is correct. Just swing it up. Perfect.

3088
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:45,909
Okay. Plus it opens up a hopefully it's gonna open up a

3089
02:09:45,909 --> 02:09:47,760
great commercially

3090
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:53,260
developable portion of loop 88 which is you know by moving

3091
02:09:53,260 --> 02:09:54,239
that line back off

3092
02:09:54,239 --> 02:09:58,510
the loop that's good. That is the desire of the property

3093
02:09:58,510 --> 02:10:01,840
owner. Yes. Good. Any other

3094
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:09,619
questions? No. Is there a motion then on item B? Move

3095
02:10:09,619 --> 02:10:13,399
approval. Is there a second?

3096
02:10:13,399 --> 02:10:18,189
I have a motion a second. Any discussion? All in favor say

3097
02:10:18,189 --> 02:10:20,680
aye. Any opposed? Same

3098
02:10:20,680 --> 02:10:28,000
sign. Okay. Item C. I'm assuming Branch are gonna do that

3099
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,319
one also. Yes sir that is

3100
02:10:29,319 --> 02:10:33,199
correct. This would be the Galvanized steel

3101
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:36,180
poles that we went out for an RFP in May to confirm what is

3102
02:10:36,180 --> 02:10:37,439
the current price and

3103
02:10:37,439 --> 02:10:41,140
we did have the previous multi-year steel pole contract

3104
02:10:41,140 --> 02:10:42,319
expired a few months

3105
02:10:42,319 --> 02:10:45,060
before this and so we felt like we needed to get a new

3106
02:10:45,060 --> 02:10:46,119
price to see where

3107
02:10:46,119 --> 02:10:49,439
at. This is the same map I just showed you of where these

3108
02:10:49,439 --> 02:10:50,560
poles will be used at.

3109
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:54,829
It's only the 16 poles required for this whole project. 13

3110
02:10:54,829 --> 02:10:55,920
of them will be funded

3111
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:59,689
by the property owner for the portion that he's requesting

3112
02:10:59,689 --> 02:11:02,039
to be relocated. RFP

3113
02:11:02,039 --> 02:11:07,180
request for proposal 6744 is only to relocate the section

3114
02:11:07,180 --> 02:11:08,960
shown in red. This

3115
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,590
was a relocation that the property owner asked us to move.

3116
02:11:12,590 --> 02:11:14,159
As I mentioned 16 poles

3117
02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:17,510
are required for the whole project and 13 of them will be

3118
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:19,000
directly related to

3119
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:22,920
the project that he's requested us to move. This is the way

3120
02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:24,319
that the pricing

3121
02:11:24,319 --> 02:11:28,680
broke down on the specific poles. The top portion is the 13

3122
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:29,479
poles that will be

3123
02:11:29,479 --> 02:11:34,000
used in the red line that you saw. It totals 845,000 which

3124
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:34,479
was the eight

3125
02:11:34,479 --> 02:11:37,699
exact same number we used in the table I showed you on the

3126
02:11:37,699 --> 02:11:39,000
previous agenda item

3127
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:41,539
and these would be the other three poles that gets us from

3128
02:11:41,539 --> 02:11:42,760
industrial sub up to

3129
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:47,880
the brinker site so we can physically tie that together. To

3130
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:49,479
give you a picture of

3131
02:11:49,479 --> 02:11:52,689
what the transmission poles look like because it is around

3132
02:11:52,689 --> 02:11:53,520
a curve on shady

3133
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:57,109
oaks there will have to be some angled structures that will

3134
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:58,199
have to come with

3135
02:11:58,199 --> 02:12:01,180
some double dead-end poles and then there also are some

3136
02:12:01,180 --> 02:12:02,920
tangent poles. Both

3137
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:06,859
of these designs are able to have alternate circuits in the

3138
02:12:06,859 --> 02:12:07,720
future come

3139
02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:12,130
off the backside whenever that need is determined and that

3140
02:12:12,130 --> 02:12:13,439
is what exists right

3141
02:12:13,439 --> 02:12:18,569
now with the existing TNPA line so we preserve that right.

3142
02:12:18,569 --> 02:12:21,439
So based on the

3143
02:12:21,439 --> 02:12:25,760
evaluation from the evaluation team the Texas Electric

3144
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:27,199
Cooperative TEC a

3145
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:31,949
proposal it was the highest evaluated score it was the

3146
02:12:31,949 --> 02:12:33,159
quickest delivery and

3147
02:12:33,159 --> 02:12:37,020
it also was the lowest price and so staff recommends

3148
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:38,560
approval of the Texas

3149
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:41,489
Electric Cooperative purchase for the steel Gavin I suppose

3150
02:12:41,489 --> 02:12:42,359
not to exceed the

3151
02:12:42,359 --> 02:12:47,399
full amount of 1.1 million. Be happy to answer any

3152
02:12:47,399 --> 02:12:48,359
questions.

3153
02:12:50,359 --> 02:12:53,020
Can't beat it when it's the best score the lowest price and

3154
02:12:53,020 --> 02:12:54,640
quickest delivery.

3155
02:12:54,640 --> 02:13:06,399
It's hard to believe. I know the overall score came out

3156
02:13:06,399 --> 02:13:08,560
higher but the one that

3157
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:11,590
kind of stands out I mean is probable performance and it

3158
02:13:11,590 --> 02:13:13,399
got 12 out of 15

3159
02:13:13,399 --> 02:13:17,670
instead of 15 out of 15 so I guess what's we haven't

3160
02:13:17,670 --> 02:13:19,079
actually used some

3161
02:13:19,079 --> 02:13:21,750
still poles from Texas Electric Cooperative the previous

3162
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:22,000
pole

3163
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,479
manufacturer we had used them before so that's how some of

3164
02:13:25,479 --> 02:13:26,399
those scores

3165
02:13:26,399 --> 02:13:29,579
differentiated but they did get a total 96 out of 100

3166
02:13:29,579 --> 02:13:32,720
points to ECW. Right.

3167
02:13:32,720 --> 02:13:35,720
Okay.

3168
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:50,920
All right any other questions? Is there a motion on item C?

3169
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:54,000
Second? Second. Any

3170
02:13:54,000 --> 02:14:00,399
discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Same sign.

3171
02:14:00,399 --> 02:14:04,720
Thank you. Thank you.

3172
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:15,199
Yes. Okay item D is to consider recommending adoption of an

3173
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:15,880
ordinance of

3174
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:20,149
the City of Denton Texas Texas Home Rule Municipal

3175
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:21,680
Corporation providing for

3176
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:25,460
authorizing and approving the purchase of property, boiler,

3177
02:14:25,460 --> 02:14:26,600
and machinery in

3178
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:30,369
business interruption insurance coverage for the City of

3179
02:14:30,369 --> 02:14:32,039
Denton through the city

3180
02:14:32,039 --> 02:14:36,310
sole broker of record McGriff, Siebels, and Williams of

3181
02:14:36,310 --> 02:14:38,920
Texas Incorporated with

3182
02:14:38,920 --> 02:14:44,439
a three-year not to exceed amount of 1 million 399 thousand

3183
02:14:44,439 --> 02:14:46,680
dollars. Good evening

3184
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:49,039
Chairman, members of the PUV. My name is Scott Payne, I'm

3185
02:14:49,039 --> 02:14:50,159
the risk manager of the City of

3186
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:52,859
Denton and the item before you is what you just said the

3187
02:14:52,859 --> 02:14:53,920
approval of property

3188
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:57,319
insurance, boiler machinery, or equipment breakdown

3189
02:14:57,319 --> 02:14:58,880
coverage, and business

3190
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:02,430
interruption for the Denton Energy Center of the DEC. So

3191
02:15:02,430 --> 02:15:03,479
obviously with

3192
02:15:03,479 --> 02:15:06,199
construction nearly completed it was important for us to

3193
02:15:06,199 --> 02:15:06,880
get property

3194
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:09,600
insurance to protect this asset once it was online.

3195
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:10,960
Unfortunately our current

3196
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:13,529
property carrier that we have for all the other city

3197
02:15:13,529 --> 02:15:14,880
facilities affiliated FM

3198
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:19,479
doesn't write coverage for power generation facilities so

3199
02:15:19,479 --> 02:15:20,640
it necessitated

3200
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:22,579
us going out to the market to do this on a kind of

3201
02:15:22,579 --> 02:15:24,920
standalone basis. So we banded

3202
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:28,369
February with McGriff who's our sole broker gathering the

3203
02:15:28,369 --> 02:15:29,439
information for the

3204
02:15:29,439 --> 02:15:31,979
underwriters on the DEC. A lot of information exchanging

3205
02:15:31,979 --> 02:15:32,640
hands back and

3206
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:36,659
forth. Those of you guys who don't know much about the

3207
02:15:36,659 --> 02:15:37,640
property market in Texas

3208
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:40,039
it's starting to shrink quite a bit from a commercial

3209
02:15:40,039 --> 02:15:41,720
standpoint mostly due to

3210
02:15:41,720 --> 02:15:45,310
all the wind and hail losses that Texas has had so that

3211
02:15:45,310 --> 02:15:46,640
makes the market a little

3212
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:50,550
bit smaller. When you add in those who write public sector

3213
02:15:50,550 --> 02:15:51,359
because typically a

3214
02:15:51,359 --> 02:15:53,569
lot of our values are in one geographical location we don't

3215
02:15:53,569 --> 02:15:53,920
have it

3216
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,649
spread all over the country that makes it even smaller and

3217
02:15:56,649 --> 02:15:57,359
then when you get to a

3218
02:15:57,359 --> 02:16:00,000
power generation facility it gets even smaller than that.

3219
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:02,920
So we did find six

3220
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:05,220
companies that were interested we conducted a tour and an

3221
02:16:05,220 --> 02:16:05,840
information

3222
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,789
gathering session back on May the 10th. We had a lot of

3223
02:16:08,789 --> 02:16:09,920
good interest a lot of

3224
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:11,789
things I didn't understand that was being talked out

3225
02:16:11,789 --> 02:16:12,520
between Jason and the

3226
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:14,369
engineers out there but they all seemed to understand it

3227
02:16:14,369 --> 02:16:15,699
and that was good. Our

3228
02:16:15,699 --> 02:16:18,579
goal was to have the coverage in place by July 1st when we

3229
02:16:18,579 --> 02:16:19,199
would have reached

3230
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:23,060
substantial completion and take it on from an operational

3231
02:16:23,060 --> 02:16:24,319
standpoint. Unfortunately

3232
02:16:24,319 --> 02:16:27,569
on May the 24th we were advised from the Dex Journal

3233
02:16:27,569 --> 02:16:29,520
contractor that what we

3234
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:31,729
thought was still being covered was no longer being covered

3235
02:16:31,729 --> 02:16:32,360
and that was the

3236
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:35,319
property component of the builders risk. Once it moved into

3237
02:16:35,319 --> 02:16:36,159
the operational

3238
02:16:36,159 --> 02:16:38,780
testing phase although they had told us it was still going

3239
02:16:38,780 --> 02:16:39,520
to be covered it was

3240
02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:42,129
no longer covered and so we had to scramble to put some

3241
02:16:42,129 --> 02:16:43,239
property coverage in

3242
02:16:43,239 --> 02:16:46,120
place at that point in time. So fortunately McGriff was

3243
02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:47,440
already working

3244
02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:50,799
quite diligently on placing the coverage and so a lot of

3245
02:16:50,799 --> 02:16:51,639
conversations already

3246
02:16:51,639 --> 02:16:54,110
been taking place. Most of the information was already in

3247
02:16:54,110 --> 02:16:54,479
the hands of

3248
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:56,889
the underwriter and so they basically just expedited the

3249
02:16:56,889 --> 02:16:57,760
process by a couple

3250
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:00,530
of weeks to get the coverage in place by the 25th. So there

3251
02:17:00,530 --> 02:17:01,799
was one rather

3252
02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:04,790
sleepless night on the 24th hoping that no storms blew

3253
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:07,280
through the area but again

3254
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:09,760
we managed to get the coverage in place without any issue

3255
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:11,479
at the deck. The three

3256
02:17:11,479 --> 02:17:13,569
main components that are covered in this property this

3257
02:17:13,569 --> 02:17:14,840
insurance procurement is

3258
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:17,889
the property which is your traditional hail, windstorm,

3259
02:17:17,889 --> 02:17:19,559
tornado, fire, vandalism

3260
02:17:19,559 --> 02:17:23,399
type coverage. There's also which in this situation a big

3261
02:17:23,399 --> 02:17:24,239
piece of is the

3262
02:17:24,239 --> 02:17:26,629
boiler machinery or the equipment breakdown because

3263
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:27,600
obviously the biggest

3264
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:29,950
piece of the value is those engines that are on site and so

3265
02:17:29,950 --> 02:17:30,600
we want to make sure we

3266
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:32,750
have coverage for that and the last piece is a business

3267
02:17:32,750 --> 02:17:34,000
interruption coverage so

3268
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:37,180
that if the facility is damaged and unoperable because of a

3269
02:17:37,180 --> 02:17:37,959
covered loss

3270
02:17:37,959 --> 02:17:40,489
there is some replacement for the revenue that we'd be

3271
02:17:40,489 --> 02:17:41,360
losing because of

3272
02:17:41,360 --> 02:17:45,049
that piece of it. So we were able to get four proposals for

3273
02:17:45,049 --> 02:17:46,200
this the one that we

3274
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:49,000
recommended tonight is the one from Lexington and Swiss Re

3275
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:49,639
it's a combo

3276
02:17:49,639 --> 02:17:53,909
proposal where each company shares 50% of the premium and

3277
02:17:53,909 --> 02:17:55,079
also 50% of any loss

3278
02:17:55,079 --> 02:17:58,129
that happens and it does include all three of the coverage

3279
02:17:58,129 --> 02:17:58,760
that we identified

3280
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:01,840
before. Lloyds of London presented a quote that did not

3281
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:02,520
include the boiler

3282
02:18:02,520 --> 02:18:06,149
machinery and then Travelers and HSB gave us boiler

3283
02:18:06,149 --> 02:18:07,360
machinery quotes only so

3284
02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:09,709
really the only one that met all of our needs was with Lex

3285
02:18:09,709 --> 02:18:10,680
ington Swiss Re

3286
02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:14,020
proposal. Again like I mentioned before it's a split

3287
02:18:14,020 --> 02:18:15,040
proposal between the two

3288
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:18,829
companies only one that concluded all the elements and the

3289
02:18:18,829 --> 02:18:19,879
premium as you saw

3290
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:24,149
is about $444,000 per year and it covers about 170 million

3291
02:18:24,149 --> 02:18:24,440
dollars in

3292
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:26,659
total insured valuable on the project including the new

3293
02:18:26,659 --> 02:18:27,479
substation that's

3294
02:18:27,479 --> 02:18:31,750
there on site as well. So we're seeking approval from the P

3295
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:32,440
UB and from the

3296
02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:35,469
council tomorrow to procure that insurance retroactively

3297
02:18:35,469 --> 02:18:36,420
back to May the

3298
02:18:36,420 --> 02:18:41,239
25th and I'll be glad to answer any questions. Questions?

3299
02:18:41,239 --> 02:18:42,440
So we had a

3300
02:18:42,440 --> 02:18:47,000
gentleman's agreement on the insurance from construction to

3301
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:49,120
testing? No it was

3302
02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:51,590
part of the construction documents that the builders risk

3303
02:18:51,590 --> 02:18:52,319
would cover the

3304
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:57,360
actual property itself during the construction and they had

3305
02:18:57,360 --> 02:18:58,159
given us

3306
02:18:58,159 --> 02:19:00,450
assurances that it would be covered under their builders

3307
02:19:00,450 --> 02:19:01,120
risk policy up

3308
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:03,790
until July the 1st and then I guess they went back and had

3309
02:19:03,790 --> 02:19:04,639
their insurance

3310
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:06,760
experts really look at what the document said and then we

3311
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:07,639
were biased and no that

3312
02:19:07,639 --> 02:19:10,280
was not the case. Well all the liability coverages the

3313
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:11,159
workers comp and everything

3314
02:19:11,159 --> 02:19:13,920
was certainly in place the actual coverage on the facility

3315
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:14,600
itself was no

3316
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:18,079
longer in existence. So their their definition of

3317
02:19:18,079 --> 02:19:20,479
operational became once

3318
02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:23,530
you could test it? Right. It was the only thing that was

3319
02:19:23,530 --> 02:19:24,680
under construction at that point.

3320
02:19:24,680 --> 02:19:29,379
Yeah. Which was not what we initially had understood. Well

3321
02:19:29,379 --> 02:19:30,680
I'm glad you're able to

3322
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:33,620
scramble and get coverage and glad nothing happened on the

3323
02:19:33,620 --> 02:19:35,200
24th. Me too. Me too.

3324
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:39,620
And it is very difficult like you say in this market at my

3325
02:19:39,620 --> 02:19:41,200
last employer we

3326
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:44,620
sometimes had to get two different insurance so we could

3327
02:19:44,620 --> 02:19:45,440
get boiler and

3328
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:48,649
machinery and they wouldn't cover it all and Lloyd's of

3329
02:19:48,649 --> 02:19:49,879
London was the one that

3330
02:19:49,879 --> 02:19:53,129
covered actually I believe the boiler machinery so why they

3331
02:19:53,129 --> 02:19:54,559
said not here. We

3332
02:19:54,559 --> 02:19:59,000
must have some claims I guess. Well that was a good thing

3333
02:19:59,000 --> 02:19:59,799
about this being a brand new

3334
02:19:59,799 --> 02:20:02,040
facility is that there was more interest in it because it

3335
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:02,879
wasn't a 30 year old

3336
02:20:02,879 --> 02:20:05,319
platter. I think it was nice and pretty and shiny and had

3337
02:20:05,319 --> 02:20:06,040
warranties on some

3338
02:20:06,040 --> 02:20:08,299
things and so that did elicit some more interest from some

3339
02:20:08,299 --> 02:20:09,000
companies that may

3340
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:11,299
not have been and you know we think maybe going into next

3341
02:20:11,299 --> 02:20:11,979
year as we have

3342
02:20:11,979 --> 02:20:13,829
better data on the business interruption because we've

3343
02:20:13,829 --> 02:20:14,799
actually been in operation

3344
02:20:14,799 --> 02:20:16,930
for a year we may be able to get those rates massage a

3345
02:20:16,930 --> 02:20:17,879
little bit and maybe

3346
02:20:17,879 --> 02:20:21,079
come down who knows it's the insurance market in Texas no

3347
02:20:21,079 --> 02:20:23,280
one knows for sure.

3348
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:28,280
Was that a good rate? It was really our only rate. Right I

3349
02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:29,120
mean it was still a

3350
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,729
good rate you know had we done a layer program with its

3351
02:20:32,729 --> 02:20:33,559
quotes that were out there

3352
02:20:33,559 --> 02:20:36,690
it would have been taking the Lloyd's of London property

3353
02:20:36,690 --> 02:20:37,920
coverage and then all the

3354
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:39,770
one of the others for the boiler machinery which have been

3355
02:20:39,770 --> 02:20:40,319
more expensive

3356
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:44,579
than the than the Swiss re Lexington proposal so you know

3357
02:20:44,579 --> 02:20:45,360
it's it's more

3358
02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:47,450
expensive than what we're paying for the other property

3359
02:20:47,450 --> 02:20:48,280
exposures the city has

3360
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:51,680
was also a very specialized risk and a lot of value sitting

3361
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:52,840
in one location so

3362
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:56,750
that makes the underwriters quite nervous. But I remember

3363
02:20:56,750 --> 02:20:57,600
Jason you said

3364
02:20:57,600 --> 02:21:01,389
sorry can you still the lights not going you said that the

3365
02:21:01,389 --> 02:21:02,920
building will sustain

3366
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:10,020
what level of wind? 125. I think all those things helped

3367
02:21:10,020 --> 02:21:11,000
become a more

3368
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:13,299
attractive risk for the end of riders because again new

3369
02:21:13,299 --> 02:21:14,799
construction top of

3370
02:21:14,799 --> 02:21:18,520
line construction on and on.

3371
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:25,120
All right questions Scott is there a motion? I'll move

3372
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:27,719
approval. Second. You have a

3373
02:21:27,719 --> 02:21:34,079
motion and a second discussion all in favor say aye. Aye.

3374
02:21:34,079 --> 02:21:35,680
Any opposed same sign.

3375
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:47,030
Okay motion passes. Okay thank you Scott. Item E is ACM

3376
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:49,840
update. Mr. Chairman

3377
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,500
members of the board for the benefit of you and everybody

3378
02:21:52,500 --> 02:21:53,600
in the audience I have

3379
02:21:53,600 --> 02:22:03,590
nothing to report. Thank you. That is a great benefit. Okay

3380
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:05,000
concluding items under

3381
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:10,420
section 551.042 of the Texas Open Meetings Act is to

3382
02:22:10,420 --> 02:22:11,399
respond to inquiries

3383
02:22:11,399 --> 02:22:14,719
from the public utilities board or the public with specific

3384
02:22:14,719 --> 02:22:15,440
factual information

3385
02:22:15,440 --> 02:22:20,200
or rest station policy or accept a proposal to place the

3386
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:20,840
matter on the

3387
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:24,120
agenda for an upcoming meeting.

3388
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:35,459
Nothing to propose. Okay then the only thing we have left

3389
02:22:35,459 --> 02:22:38,159
is the closed meeting

3390
02:22:38,159 --> 02:22:42,670
which we will actually will there's no action item

3391
02:22:42,670 --> 02:22:45,719
associated with that so I

3392
02:22:45,719 --> 02:22:50,879
guess we take a motion to adjourn this meeting and go into

3393
02:22:50,879 --> 02:22:51,840
closed meeting and

3394
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:55,090
that'll be the final adjournment once we finish that closed

3395
02:22:55,090 --> 02:22:56,120
meeting. That's always

3396
02:22:56,120 --> 02:23:01,879
your job Brandon. I move we adjourn the open meeting. Okay

3397
02:23:01,879 --> 02:23:03,680
we have a motion and

3398
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:09,899
second to do so all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed same

3399
02:23:09,899 --> 02:23:10,639
sign.