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So six o'clock and we will go ahead and call the

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April 23rd

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2018 public utilities board

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meeting to order and

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First on our agenda is a work session

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Where we will receive a report and hold a discussion

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regarding the fiscal year 2017 water audit

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We're ready

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We're gonna go over today our fiscal year 2017 water audit

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similar to a budget audit where we scrutinize every dollar

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and cent that goes into a budget and where it ends up we do

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the

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Same thing with our water system will scrutinize every drop

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of water that we put into our system and where it ended up

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and

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So in its most basic form a water audit is where we take

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all of the water we produce

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So this is finished water from our plant that gets pumped

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into our system

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And then from that total we subtract out how much water we

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sold that was captured in our billing system

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And the difference in what we're left over with is referred

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to as non-revenue water

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And so there are a lot of different reasons for having non-

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revenue water, but every utility will have non-revenue water

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We have operational usage

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So the flushing of new lines the flushing out of dead-end

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mains new development every time we put a new development

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in the ground

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We do have to flush those mains out to get all the

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chemicals out of the new pipes and get them ready and

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healthy

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For service for our customers. There are errors with our

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data in our metering system and unfortunately we do have

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theft

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There are also system breaks and leaks that cause us to

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lose water water quality maintenance

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So hydrants and dead-end mains and then parts of the

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utility system that are spread out

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We do have to flush the water because after a while the

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chemicals bond together differently and it's no longer safe

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for consumption

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And then also for firefighting we don't meter our firefight

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ing usage and training time

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So what we want to do is now that we know why we have non-

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revenue water we need to kind of understand what that means

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So we'll analyze our non-revenue water and it's a really

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good starting point for figuring out the health of our

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system

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It's also good for budgeting because we do have to absorb

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the cost of non-revenue water

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In the amount of water that we sell it's good at

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identifying potential concerns on a broad scale and

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operational decision-making

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But what it's not good for and where we want to further

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analyze is engaging the health of our system because there

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are different

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Factors that go into non-revenue water. It doesn't quite

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let us know how good our actual pipes are

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It's not the best for identifying specific opportunities

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for improvement. We have to have a little bit more of a

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granular analysis

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And it's not the best for benchmarking either

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However, because we're all curious. This is how we stack up

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in terms of benchmarking through throughout the

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Metroplex and so if you look we are in the median but we

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are in the higher end and there is a good reason for that

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Some considerations when it comes to benchmarking with

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other utilities are the size of the system

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So as a system grows more we're gonna lose a lot more water

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from our billing system as we flush out these new lines

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Also the topology of the system and our water quality

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So for example if everyone thinks of the north end of town

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by north loop 288 where we've got that water tower

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Because the usage isn't as heavy but we still have the

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infrastructure taking the water out there

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We do have more instances of needing to flush out that

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water for to maintain our regulations on water quality age

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Also the age of our infrastructure the older system is the

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more prone it is to breaks and leaks

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And we do have an older infrastructure as compared to some

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of the other cities in the area

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Audit validation so that's actually the quality of

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information that goes into our water audit. So

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We do vet our data and we have a lot of

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Check marks and validation processes that we go through to

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make sure it's accurate

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Not all other cities are large enough and staffed up enough

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to be able to do the level of validation we do and then

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some

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Cities are going to do more validation such as Dallas

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And then the differences and unbilled authorized

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consumption across utilities

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So I mentioned we don't bill and meter our fire department,

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but other other municipalities do

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And so that's why it's no longer an apples to apples

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comparison when we look at non-revenue water across

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different utilities

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There are several types of non-revenue water that are

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important to understand. We've got unbilled authorized

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consumption

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Which is exactly what it sounds like we don't bill it but

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it's authorized and we're completely fine with that water

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being used but not billed

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So we've got our firefighting and our firefighter training

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time the flushing out of new lines and the operational us

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ages such as the water quality maintenance

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Hydrant maintenance flushing new development. We have a

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parent loss a parent loss is exactly what it sounds like

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It looks as though we lost it, but we didn't quite a parent

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loss is water that we didn't capture in our billing system

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But it did in fact go through the meter or was used by a

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customer

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So the instance of theft it's not going to go through a

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meter, but it was used by a customer

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Billing system errors also customer service on occasion. We

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have waived some bills where

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customers do have a leak on their side and just as a

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You know as good customer service

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We will forgive that bill even though it passed through the

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meter and then there are metering and accuracy is meters

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slow down as they age

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And that's just a fact of the water business and then real

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loss

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We have main breaks main leaks and then service leaks

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before the meter and the real loss is water

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That is really lost from our system that actually leaks and

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it's a good gauge of the health of our actual pipes and

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infrastructure

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So for benchmarking the water development board and the

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American Water Works Association looks at three different

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performance indicators

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Real loss so the amount of loss that's really lost through

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the system through our leaks and breaks and that's an

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indicator of our system health

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Apparent loss which is our paper loss

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So the water that was used but wasn't accounted for and

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that's more of an indicator of our fiscal health and then

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our infrastructure

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Leakage index which is a fairly new benchmarking

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Statistic but it's the theoretical minimum loss a system

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can have and it's a ratio of that minimum loss

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Based off some factors unique to our system compared to

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what we actually lost

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and so these are the three key things that the that we use

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for benchmarking and

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So kind of an easier way to look at and understand the way

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the audit breaks down is

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The water produced that we produced for the fiscal year

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that top area going across is water that's exported

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So we have some wholesale customers on Krummen Sanger and

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then the water supplied that's the amount of water that

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went into our

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City of Denton billing system that large arrow right there

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The build authorized consumption is all the water of the

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water supplied that was building captured in North Star our

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billing system

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And then below that we have our non revenue water as a

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component of non revenue water

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You'll see the unbilled authorized color coded in blue to

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indicate that we are okay with that usage

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And that once again is our operational usage our firefight

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ing

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Below that is our apparent loss. So that's gonna that's all

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the water once again that was used

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But we didn't capture it in our billing system and that can

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be farther broken down into metering inaccuracies

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Unauthorized consumption data errors and it's important for

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us to break it down further so we know where our

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opportunities are

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And then the real losses we've got main breaks and then

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also water that we suspect

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Leaked from our system, but it is unaccounted for and so we

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didn't physically see that break

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But we know it's somewhere out there either broken or

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leaking into our system

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And so real loss is a gauge of our system health

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That's where our main breaks and leaks will let us know

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where we really need to target our capital improvement

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We want to minimize them within economic reasons

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So we assign a dollar value to how much revenue we've lost

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because of these breaks

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And so we are going to try to mitigate those losses up to

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that point, but we certainly don't want to find ourselves

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in a situation

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Where we're spending a dollar to save a dime

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But the water audit does help estimate the costs and

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engages our system health for fiscal year 2017

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We lost five hundred and thirty one million gallons and

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while it seems like a large amount that was only eight

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point five percent of our total

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produced water for the year

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Now our apparent loss which is an indicator of our fiscal

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health

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That is mostly due to metering and accuracy. So customer

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meters, they actually decline

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I know there's sometimes sticker shock in the summer where

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you get a large

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Water bill and there is fear of over registering

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But typically as time goes on the meters will slow down and

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under register due to calcification and other issues with

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the meter itself

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And so the water audit also estimates this apparent loss is

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much more expensive than real loss

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Because real loss leaks before it reaches a customer we

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understand and value that at what it costs us to produce

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that water

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Which is about 33 cents per thousand gallons

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But we can sell that water for four dollars and fifteen

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cents per thousand gallons

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And so when that water is used by our customer base, it's

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quantified at a much more expensive rate that four dollars

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and fifteen cents

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So for 2017 we estimate about 197 million gallons of

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apparent loss

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Which was three percent three point one percent of the

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entire amount of water we produced that year and

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Then the infrastructure leakage index which is that new

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benchmarking target that we have which is the ratio of the

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theoretical minimum

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Based off of the size of our system

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So we have a little over 600 miles of pipe and then the

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number of connections that we have in our system

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It's a standard calculation provided by the water

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development board

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Based off of those factors and then it compares that to our

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actual loss

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And so we're left with a ratio which is considered the best

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kind of apples to apples comparison across different

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utilities for benchmarking

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For 2017 we had a 2.07 and here's what that means

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So there are several target ILI ranges

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Anywhere from a 1 to an 8 is considered acceptable. We

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shoot for the tightest

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Range which is a 1 to 3 which is four systems where water

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is scarce

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We are a semi-arid region and to where we really don't want

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to push rate increases

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Upon our customers

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But if you look down where it says five to eight that could

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be a city along the Great Lakes or somewhere where water is

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plentiful

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It's cheap to develop new resources and it's not going to

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push that development out to our ratepayers

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Anything over the Nates not recommended anything under than

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one is not considered valid data

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And

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So if you look across region C, which is our water planning

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region, you'll see that we are much lower than if you just

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looked

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At non-revenue water alone. So still in the median but on

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the lower end of that

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And

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So just to summarize the reason we audit is it does help us

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gauge how well we steward our water resources

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Which is very important and how efficiently we turn those

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resources into income

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And so we'll take the results and analyze that and that'll

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help us decide a leak detection detection program system

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reinvestment and meter

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accuracy issues

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Any questions?

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Question about the

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What you were saying before about how meters when they're

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first installed

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They tend to overestimate usages am I hearing that right?

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No, okay

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They start at about we can't have them estimate it caps at

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a hundred but it can be as low as I want to say

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99.98 percent of under registration

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And then over time it goes down at about

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we tend to replace our meters on about a 14 year cycle, but

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actually the

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Cost wise if we replace it at 18 years

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That's kind of the margin of diminishing return where the

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amount of lost water is kind of equivocal to the cost of

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replacing the meter

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We do it a little bit sooner just because we are in a semi-

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arid region

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Tolerant to drought not completely drought tolerant and we

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just want to make sure we are kind of stewarding our

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resources

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Okay. Good. Thank you. Thanks. That's very helpful. Thank

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you

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Questions Charlie what what is the method for breaking down

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the non-revenue water into those three categories? Oh sure

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To that

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Was it the unbilled apparent and real-loss categories here?

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Okay. Yes, so the unbilled authorized

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We have a bunch of different data sets

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So even though we don't actually meter the water that the

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fire department uses they do keep record of their fire

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events

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and so we try to kind of get a gauge of the time and

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There are some formulas that can take the water pressure

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versus the four inch diameter of the hose pulling from the

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the fire hydrant and

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The pressure of our system we can take all those factors

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together and multiply it across the number of firefighter

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events and get a rough

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Estimate on that the same with the firefighting training

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time. We also

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We do where it says unbilled we still meter our usage for

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some of the events such as new line flushing and

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Some of our operational usages, so we still have a handle

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on that. It's metered, but we're just not

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Administratively re billing the water department for the

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water the water department uses the main breaks

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That is once again

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It's kind of a standard formula where we take the the type

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of failure mode on the pipe the estimated amount of time

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It's leaking so it's not perfect because we start it when

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it gets called in

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And then the meter metering and accuracies

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We have something called high low reports and that flags

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when a customer has an anomalous spilling read kind of

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based off of their particular

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Baseline and so we can look at the data on that and kind of

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see if it was an error

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How much was it? We also have some I think I mentioned

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earlier we have forgiven some high bills

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And so we kind of keep that into account on apparent loss

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as well theft

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That's a kind of a standard calculation provided by the

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water development board as is the a

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component of the systematic data handling error

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And so these are just kind of standard across the board

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calculations that they they give to us their pretty boiler

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plate

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But that's how we go into there. There's a couple other

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factors as well. I know with our

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billing cycles

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With our water systems we kind of keep into account that

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the billing cycles will overlap the the calendar dates

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And so sometimes if there's bills being forgiven in that

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time, we'll kind of try to quantify them to the correct

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year

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and then a couple other

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Small little pieces of data going to thank you. Oh sure

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So you mentioned that sometimes you forgive large bills

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What's the I can imagine what the answer would be but I'm

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more interested in what the actual answer is

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You know, what is the the the protocol for that, you know?

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Is there an actual policy in place on on you know

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forgiveness policy or?

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Is if you could just go into a little bit more detail on

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you know, what kind of

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Circumstances lead to forgiveness and then what what doesn

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't

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Can you get a little closer to the mic I'm sorry

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Thank you. It is it's a component of us having outstanding

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customer service. It is on a case-by-case basis

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and so while we don't like to

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Advertise that we do that because anything that any leaks

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that do happen after the customers meter

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So from their meter to their house, that's their service

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line and while they are responsible for that

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There are just some times where it's just not

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economically

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In their well-being to charge the customer that so we don't

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have any policies in place because we we like to make sure

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everybody is

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Responsible for the water they use and their plumbing

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But it it does happen where just for customer service and

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kind of goodwill to our citizens. We will forgive it

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Thanks, and that would be in is that the unbilled metered

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Okay, okay and just

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We do this we do not it once a year or is that right?

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Yes, we do it once a year. However, we actually are in the

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process right now of moving towards doing a monthly audit

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There are several reasons behind that but it is just kind

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of getting a tighter control over

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When exactly if we have are having issues that they would

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be occurring the main reasoning behind moving towards that

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monthly audit

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To you as we have we have to have our system built out in a

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manner to handle our big peak flows in the summer

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But then also still keep it running and pressurized

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When we slow down in the winter and so it'll kind of give

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us a better clue as to is it actually our equipment

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That we're having issues with our data or is it the nature

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of higher demand? So but right now it is annual. Okay

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How does this compare to like the last couple of audits we

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've had is it up down?

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So it does fluctuate. So I y'all may have noticed I was

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talking about this is an update and all the figures in here

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are our

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2017

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Figures that were mentioning however on the the bar graphs

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I showed it was 2016 data because this isn't due until May

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1st

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We had to pull from last year's and so for example on this

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chart for the non revenue water

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It was

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11 point five seven percent

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It was up to 13 percent for 2017

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But then I just for fun did a mid-year audit recently and

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we were back down to 12 percent

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So we will fluctuate as long as we're under 15 percent

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Non revenue water that's what's expected as per the water

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development board and the American Water Works Association

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So those those fluctuations are expected now if we have a

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big dip say under eight percent all of a sudden

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We'll actually start to look not so much at our system

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health

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But at our data and our data handling because that would be

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unexpected or if we have a big jump

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But historically we haven't witnessed any of that. It's

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been stable within one or two percent points

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All right, maybe other questions

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Yes

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Question about the the water forgiveness. I wonder and you

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might not be able to answer this now

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But if there was a kind of a checklist that

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That would be something, you know on paper on the website

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that customers could see and again

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I'm not even sure if this is a good idea, but this is my

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inclination is to think it is but

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Whereby

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You know customers could see that okay if people get

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forgiven on water

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It's because they've had say one or more of the following

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You know and as long as it and of course you want to leave,

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you know some kind of leeway

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So it could be it's holistic, you know, you could say it's

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holistic something like that

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but at the very least because I'm thinking from the point

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of view of a custom, you know say customer who

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you know, they have a leak in this big bill and then they

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have to pay and then

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Just but then they hear a story that somebody else had

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theirs forgiven, you know

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So and I have no reason to think that it's not fair but

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just to be able to show

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Customers look it's it's on an individual basis and it's we

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take a holistic approach

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But it's not arbitrary. You know what I mean instead of

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just saying oh trust us we go

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So, you know, so I'd also be interested to know, you know,

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does the forgiveness tend to happen?

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More in residential accounts or commercial accounts kind of

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what's the breakdown how often that's I guess that that is

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data that I would

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like to see

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And and you know and and maybe the answer is well, it's you

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know for legal reasons

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It's not a good idea to do that. But still I would like to

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know

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To hear your thoughts on that sure colleagues thoughts on

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that

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Sure, so I think and then just off of the top of my head

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today

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That doesn't mean we might not come to a different

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conclusion if we explored it more

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but we probably don't want to advertise on the website or

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have a checklist that we do this because it really

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We don't want to do it often

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It really is like I said us just trying to adhere to our

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core value of outstanding customer service and if someone

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really really needs it

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And that tends to be you know, one of the first thresholds

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is not advertising it

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But if they get to a point where they reach out to us

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then that

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Without finding that information on there and just you know

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, hey guys, please work with me. That's so far

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That's how we have handled it

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But I'm definitely willing to take a look and kind of

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analyze that data a little bit closer. Oh sure

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Yeah, I just be curious to know what you know, what kinds

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of accounts?

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It's not an arbitrary decision generally speaking. We do

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not forgive any kind of water leaks or any kind of issues

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related to accounts because it is

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she was mentioning water that we've produced and we paid

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for and

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There are other customers are paying for that

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So let us get you some more statistics and we can come back

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with a report on

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Exactly how that's done and the specificity that it's done

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with but there's not an arbitrary basis and we're not out

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there deciding that

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We're going to relieve this forgive this one and not

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forgive this one and those kinds of things

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There's very specific reasons are very far and few between

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that if there is something like that that happens

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So we'll get your report. So thank you address that

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Okay, thank you. I have no reason to think is our well, I

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just want to make sure it's clear

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We're not we're not forgiving bills if it the water has

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been used we're gonna charge for that water

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Oh, yeah, I'm in the num I mean in the numbers and that

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slide showed that that's very rare

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But thank you for answering questions about them. Thank you

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, Brian

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Any other questions

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No, thank you

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Okay

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Our next next on our agenda is

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To convene in a closed meeting to consider specific items

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When those items are listed below under the closed meeting

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section of this agenda

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Okay, we'll now reconvene into our regular meeting

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First item we have is our consent agenda we have items a B

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C and D on the consent agenda is there any

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Member who would like to have any of these items pulled for

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individual consideration see

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item C

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Okay

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Anybody else

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Okay, then we have a motion then for items a

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B and D on the consent agenda

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Recommend approval a second have a motion and a second for

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approval any discussion on the motion

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Hearing none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed same

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sign

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Okay motion carries item C

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Mr. Cox will be right with us. Okay. I'll just read what it

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says

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Consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of the city

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of Denton, Texas the Texas home rule municipal

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corporation authorizing the city manager to exit a contract

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for odor neutralizer chemicals with probe America

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incorporated

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Providing for the expenditure of funds therefore and

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providing an effective date

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In the three-year not to exceed amount of $130,000

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No, this is a new thing for me

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So I just wanted to ask a few questions because I didn't

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see anything in the in the information that was provided

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The odor neutralizer chemicals is this the same have we

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been using this for a number of years?

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We have there's actually two layers of our odor control

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system. The first is on our perimeter

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There's actually a network of tubes that actually spray

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vapor into the air. So that's kind of the perimeter

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odor control this is actually for the odor control that we

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put in our water trucks that's

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Used directly on the working base to try to neutralize the

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odors

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Okay, and then to I was just a little concerned anytime you

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're talking about chemicals and sure putting them into the

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air or into

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you know water

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Transfer whatever I didn't see anything with regards to any

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kinds of

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Stats on the effect on the environment or to humans or to

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animals or anything like that

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So I was just wanting to know if you had any information

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about that

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I don't have it with me this evening, but I can certainly

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get that back to the board in terms of a staff report

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Okay

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because that's one of the

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Concerns I have certainly yeah huge concern. I had I had

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that concern too. I'm glad you asked that

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But we have used this company before

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We've used the chemical. I'm not sure about the company,

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but we have used these chemicals before we have used these

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chemicals before

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Okay, thank you, okay

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All right any other questions

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If

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how

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As far as you can describe, you know, how bad the smell

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would be without it, you know, is it more it's more for the

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Protection of and comfort level of workers people in the

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area

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We actually have some regulatory requirements. I can't

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recite them off the top of my head

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But there is an odor control requirement in our TCEQ

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operating permit that requires certain things like this for

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odor abatement

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Certain days are more important to use this and others high

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wind days are particularly challenging for us because

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The perimeter odor control system isn't quite as effective

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when the winds are above a certain miles per hour

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And so that's when we do use the water trucks and try to

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suppress not just the odors

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But also the dust so we mix these chemicals with the water

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in the water truck to suppress both at the same time

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Thank you. Okay, so for clarification that I mean we've

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used the chemicals before they're

00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:55.400
approved

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EPA whatever

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Public safety they all come with that certification and all

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that is that correct?

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I'll need to clarify relative to the question about because

00:27:07.029 --> 00:27:08.920
I'm not getting a yeah

00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:12.519
That's one of the things that concerns me is that you know,

00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:14.880
if it's been approved if it's EPA approved

00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.079
You know, it's you know blessed and whatever that then that

00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:19.420
would you know

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Then I could say yes. Well, let's go for it, but I'm not

00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:23.759
getting that information

00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.519
Is there any reason we couldn't get that research done and

00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.009
bring it back to them? Absolutely. We can certainly pull

00:27:29.009 --> 00:27:29.279
the atom

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Why don't we do that?

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That would be great. I'd be curious to know

00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.000
Are there any?

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.240
alternatives and

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Maybe we don't

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You know, maybe there's no reason for alternatives because

00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:47.119
maybe this is perfectly safe

00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.869
But you know, it are there more environmentally friendly

00:27:49.869 --> 00:27:53.390
alternatives and it's so what's the cost is it cost prohib

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itive?

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Let me look into this and make sure that we've done our due

00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:01.519
diligence on that invented that out in terms of the

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:02.480
environmental impacts

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I'll circle back and we'll repost the item for you

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Okay

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So item C is pulled replaced on a future agenda

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Okay

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All right

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Items other items for individual consideration. We have the

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public utility board

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meeting minutes of April 9th

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2018

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These are in your packet been distributed in advance

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Or any questions comments?

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Corrections

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Hearing none is there a motion to approve those minutes as

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submitted

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so many

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to prove

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Most to approve second second and a second discussion

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All in favor say aye

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Any opposed?

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Thank you

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Item B under items for individual consideration is to

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consider recommending

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adoption of an ordinance of the city of Denton, Texas the

00:29:10.069 --> 00:29:11.759
Texas Home Rural Municipal Corporation

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Authorizing the city manager to execute a contract for the

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supply of a mission system reducing agent

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Ammonia for the Denton Energy Center via Southern ionics

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incorporated

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Providing for the expenditure of funds therefore and

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providing an effective date

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in this in the three-year not to exceed amount of

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1,000,000

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287,000

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$772.50

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George Morrill DME general manager I rise to introduce

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Chris Lutrick Chris is our project manager for the Denton

00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:49.880
Energy Center and

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He handled this procurement. I'm gonna let him take away

00:29:53.849 --> 00:29:56.490
the presentation. You know, it's his presentations have

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more pictures

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Good evening, thank you for your time

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So give you a little bit more information on the aqua

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ammonia supply that was detailed in the IFB

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:16.359
6701

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As you see we have some updated pictures if you haven't

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been out to the deck to see what it's looking like these

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days

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In this in this quick presentation, we're going to talk

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about what is ammonia

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What is the function of aqua ammonia at the Denton Energy

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Center the important the safety?

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storage and handling of the aqua ammonia

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emergency response plan

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The bid summaries and then any questions you may have some

00:30:41.109 --> 00:30:43.680
of the information in here is a little bit technical

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.640
So if I say something that's not quite clear just just stop

00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:47.799
me

00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.980
I'll be glad to try to clarify it. If not, dr. Banks is

00:30:50.980 --> 00:30:52.839
here to help with the chemistry

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So ammonia

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Chemical compound is NH3 its chemical properties are it's a

00:31:03.349 --> 00:31:07.039
colorless gas with a characteristic pundits pungent smell

00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.319
It is a naturally occurring compound that is present in

00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.799
nature and it is also in the human body

00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:17.259
An important fact is readily dissolves in water and there's

00:31:17.259 --> 00:31:19.759
everybody's probably heard of anhydrous ammonia

00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.359
Anhydrous is Greek for without water. That's ammonia in its

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:24.799
pure form. It's a gas

00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.750
Aqua, ammonia is a solution of water and ammonia where the

00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:30.839
ammonia has been dissolved in the water

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Aqua ammonia is defined as between 15 and 30 percent

00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.400
And 19 percent is what we'll use at the deck

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Ammonia is everywhere. It has industrial and household uses

00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.750
and hydros ammonia is used worldwide as an agricultural

00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:46.920
fertilizer and

00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.519
Being that it's it's to get in its liquids form. It has to

00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:51.079
be compressed

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.859
So gases that change state easily from a gas to a liquid

00:31:54.859 --> 00:31:57.119
have some cooling properties. So therefore

00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:00.589
Ammonia is very prevalent in industrial refrigeration

00:32:00.589 --> 00:32:02.799
systems as a refrigerant these days

00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.119
Ammonia solutions five to ten percent probably a lot of

00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.319
people here have that under your sink at home. It's basic

00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.630
Mr. Clean Windex a lot of these products started as ammonia

00:32:14.630 --> 00:32:15.960
based solutions

00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.809
And ammonia is a it dissolves organic materials to oil

00:32:20.809 --> 00:32:21.880
grease grime

00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.799
It's good at that. So it's used as a cleaner

00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.410
In our application, there's aqua ammonia at our percentage

00:32:29.410 --> 00:32:32.640
of 19 percent and urea is another term

00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.440
That's that's commonly used. It's about a 40 percent

00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.319
the city of Denton so urea is primarily used as

00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.200
Reducing agent much like our aqua ammonia at the plant

00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.980
Some quick stops and racetracks the city of Denton has a u

00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:49.440
rea pump

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.150
So a modern diesel vehicles rely on a similar system to the

00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:55.200
deck. They now have urea

00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.289
Tanks on them. So when you fill up your tank with diesel,

00:32:58.289 --> 00:32:59.599
you have to keep your urea tank full

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So you ammonia is all around us

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.880
Aqua, ammonia as I said in urea are widely used in reducing

00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.480
agents in selective catalytic reduction systems or SCRs

00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.200
So in particular for the deck

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.839
our SCR are basically to give you some background on what

00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.799
the SCR is the SCR system uses a chemical reaction to

00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.039
reduce in part the

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:26.920
Nitrogen oxides that are produced by combustion engines in

00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:30.319
particular the the SCR system at the deck

00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.609
Will remove about 97.5 percent of the NOx from our plants

00:33:35.609 --> 00:33:38.240
emissions. So they're very effective system

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.519
So that's why you're seeing them

00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.630
Most commercial or nearly all diesel engines nowadays use

00:33:42.630 --> 00:33:45.279
the same type of system because it's very it's very

00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.559
effective at reducing the NOx output

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:51.180
The three main components of the system are the catalyst

00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:54.660
the reducing agent in our case. That's the aqua ammonia and

00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:54.960
heat

00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.230
The AA is introduced into the exhaust stream just outside

00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:01.799
of the building where it's mixed in a mixing duck

00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.349
And using the the heat that's present in the exhaust gases

00:34:05.349 --> 00:34:08.360
and it enters the catalyst housing and this catalyst

00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:09.159
housing is where the

00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:10.119
chemical

00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.119
interaction of the three main components

00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.800
Effectively reduces the NOx down to nitrogen and water

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:22.980
The deck SCR system utilizes aqua ammonia as a reducing

00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.400
agent

00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.110
So of the of the other forms of ammonia that I've mentioned

00:34:27.110 --> 00:34:30.920
that there's an hydrous ammonia and urea

00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.800
Aquas ammonia is by far the safest and most stable

00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.340
Form of nitrogen that's available. So being it's 19% you

00:34:39.340 --> 00:34:42.559
have to handle about five times the amount of volume

00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.679
But it but it's much safer

00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.360
So the

00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.960
Aquas ammonia will be consumed at a rate of between 18.5

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.400
and 14.5 gallons per engine hour

00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.000
The 18.5 is the manufacturers guaranteed consumption rate

00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.079
the 14.5 being their expected consumption rate and

00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.449
The plant has an automated system that will ensure that the

00:35:06.449 --> 00:35:08.480
aqua ammonia is dosed properly

00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.039
So here we have a picture if you can see my mouse here

00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.869
So here's actually a the ammonia storage tank at the Denton

00:35:15.869 --> 00:35:19.719
Energy Center as you can see it sets within a concrete

00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:20.639
containment

00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.559
Dyke

00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.039
Where this truck is parked here, you'll see these grates

00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.539
The tankers will back into this area here. So when that

00:35:29.539 --> 00:35:30.760
when the plan is finished

00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.909
This will also be concreted. You don't have roll curbs on

00:35:33.909 --> 00:35:34.039
it

00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.510
so as the tanker backs in even the tanker will be encaps

00:35:37.510 --> 00:35:39.320
ulated within a containment area and

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.139
Just for note that this same system is used for the lube

00:35:42.139 --> 00:35:43.880
oil, which is on the other side

00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.579
So the plants storage capacity is 30,000 gallons and again

00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.840
based on that maximum consumption rate

00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.699
That's 172 plant hours of runtime and a plant hour is all

00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.559
12 engines running at a 100% load

00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.840
The storage tank that you saw in the previous picture was

00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.239
designed and rated to store ammonia

00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.440
the

00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.849
Ammonia will arrive to the plant via tanker and that

00:36:11.849 --> 00:36:14.519
frequency depends on plant operation

00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.250
So the tankers carry about 6,500 gallons of ammonia at a

00:36:18.250 --> 00:36:18.519
time

00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.570
So it takes four to five tankers to completely fill the

00:36:21.570 --> 00:36:24.719
tank and again and the plant has offloading facilities to

00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.940
properly transfer

00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.099
The ammonia from the tankers to the tank. It's a closed-

00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:29.719
loop system

00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.730
So any any any vapors any any gas that's in the tank is

00:36:32.730 --> 00:36:34.960
transferred to the tanker as it fills

00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.119
So it's a closed-loop system

00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.980
Safety is important. So it is it is a chemical

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.619
The plant has an overall emergency response plan and a

00:36:45.619 --> 00:36:47.159
section of that plant

00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.679
that plan addresses the aqua ammonia spill prevention and

00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.519
containment countermeasures

00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.920
As I showed you in the picture the storage tank it sits

00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:58.539
within a concrete dike

00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.679
That has sufficient capacity to contain all of the tank

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:02.460
contents

00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:05.389
So say there was a tank failure the tank ruptured the

00:37:05.389 --> 00:37:08.519
liquid would be would be contained within the containment

00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:08.719
dike

00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.329
And as I mentioned again the plan also has a tanker offload

00:37:12.329 --> 00:37:14.440
ing area to handle any minor spills

00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.469
When you're when that when the products coming in for the

00:37:17.469 --> 00:37:18.019
transfer

00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.400
Those facilities are in place

00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.820
The emergency response has multiple layers if day-to-day

00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:25.880
activity the plant

00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:29.280
The plant staff would be responsible for any minor spills

00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.150
Anything of that sort of nature would be taken care of by

00:37:34.150 --> 00:37:36.159
the plant following the safety data

00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.159
Sheets provided by the manufacturer and their own safety

00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:40.539
plan

00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.780
The next level would be provided emergency response to be

00:37:44.780 --> 00:37:46.500
provided by the den fire department

00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.530
So the the plant manager has has had contact with the den

00:37:50.530 --> 00:37:51.599
fire department

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.530
They've already been out there kind of an informal basis

00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:57.170
and when the plan is when all of the facilities are

00:37:57.170 --> 00:37:57.960
completely finished

00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:02.230
The fire department will perform a site site audit. They'll

00:38:02.230 --> 00:38:04.400
visit the site. They'll get list of everything that's

00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:05.079
stored on site

00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.480
So that'll be done prior to the plant going

00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.019
Commercial and any and if we were to have a spill that got

00:38:11.019 --> 00:38:13.239
outside of our containment area

00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.630
The remediation would be handled by an environmental

00:38:16.630 --> 00:38:20.400
contractor if warranted and finally any

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.750
Non-contained discharges greater than 25 gallons would be

00:38:23.750 --> 00:38:26.989
reported to the TCEQ. That's the reportable limit for the

00:38:26.989 --> 00:38:27.860
aqua ammonia

00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.239
So the summary of bids this is kind of a specialty chemical

00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.469
But we use the process the invitation for bid for a three-

00:38:36.469 --> 00:38:38.480
year supply of aqua ammonia

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.789
Two bids were received the low bid was about 65 cents per

00:38:42.789 --> 00:38:47.119
gallon and the the high bid was about 74 cents per gallon

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.960
The staff recommends awarding the lowest cost bid so

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.199
submitted by Southern ionics out of a Pasadena, Texas

00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.719
an amount not to exceed

00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:58.000
1,000,000

00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.510
287 thousand seven hundred seventy two dollars and fifty

00:39:01.510 --> 00:39:04.679
cents and I should note that that's a budgetary amount

00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.559
So we calculated that based on that guaranteed guaranteed

00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.719
consumption rate by the manufacturer. So we

00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.510
And it's covered in the budget, but we expect that cost to

00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:18.559
actually come in at about 70% of this of this figure

00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.719
So with that I'll open it up to any questions

00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.599
Okay questions

00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.480
Yeah

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.760
I think I think you're very thoroughly presentation. I

00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:45.440
tried to be quick. So

00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.920
Yes recommending approval

00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.280
I have two questions waiting to see

00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:01.840
One, you know, so this week obviously the the testing on

00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.679
the deck is gonna start in and I saw that

00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.679
Unless that's been changed

00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.750
But I know we're in the testing case now. Yeah, and I

00:40:09.750 --> 00:40:11.000
noticed that I

00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.559
Read that

00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.929
Whereas the testing for knocks and VOCs in particulate

00:40:17.929 --> 00:40:21.719
matter is gonna that's gonna be test sent out

00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:26.340
I guess to a lab somewhere and then the results will come

00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:26.760
back

00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.510
I'll take a while for those to come back but that for the

00:40:29.510 --> 00:40:32.079
ammonia testing this the relevance of the ammonia

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.760
But I saw that that there's an ammonia test

00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.920
That in the results of that are gonna be available on site

00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.039
at the end of each day

00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.789
So I was wondering since you know, there's a presentation

00:40:45.789 --> 00:40:49.019
about about ammonia and the role of ammonia and the catal

00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:49.920
ytic conversion

00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.829
if you could say a little something about how the ammonia

00:40:53.829 --> 00:40:55.719
testing happens and

00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.739
Because that's something that I know less about than about

00:41:00.739 --> 00:41:01.119
the

00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.530
The particulate matter. Yes, ma'am. So that that is part of

00:41:05.530 --> 00:41:06.880
our emissions testing

00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.250
So actually you don't send the lab out you bring the lab to

00:41:09.250 --> 00:41:12.000
the plant. So for our test plan

00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:16.730
We'll have four four labs. So what their lab is is a it's a

00:41:16.730 --> 00:41:17.480
trailer

00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.909
They pull behind a truck it has all their sensors and all

00:41:19.909 --> 00:41:21.639
their equipment inside the truck

00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.150
And then what they do is they have leads that actually run

00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:25.920
out to the exhaust stacks. They take

00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.599
The old days used to get your emissions test

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.360
They put something on the end of your tailpipe to to

00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.719
measure the gas. That's exactly what this is

00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.440
so there's probe ports that are built into the

00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.599
Yeah, so if you can can you see my mouse there

00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.260
So this is basically the backside of the plant

00:41:48.260 --> 00:41:51.280
So as we come through here that the silver boxes in the

00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.840
middle or the catalytic converter then after this is just

00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.510
Exhaust up to the stacks. So actually right there is one of

00:41:58.510 --> 00:41:58.920
them

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.739
You can see one there one there one there that is where the

00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:02.599
testing is done

00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.159
So it's come it's after it's gone through the the SCR unit.

00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:07.960
Those probes will be placed in

00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.960
At 90 degrees at each one of these engine tests

00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.699
So then while the engines running those probes are

00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:15.239
gathering data

00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.510
So they're gathering data on all of the parameters that we

00:42:17.510 --> 00:42:19.460
're testing including ammonia slip

00:42:19.460 --> 00:42:22.340
So the that's the test that they're that they will be

00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:23.559
running at that time

00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.659
They will gather that data in real time and then process

00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:28.440
that and then generate a report

00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.079
In a pretty quick in a pretty quick manner

00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.820
So that that is a report that we will be when it's when it

00:42:33.820 --> 00:42:35.440
's when it's finished with that

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.190
We will be sharing with the P B and the and the City

00:42:38.190 --> 00:42:38.559
Council

00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.679
So the ammonia

00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.039
Testing the results of that are immediately available

00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.940
But there was something in the it was in a staff report for

00:42:49.940 --> 00:42:51.920
council about about the testing

00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:57.440
That said that that the for particulate matter the results

00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.159
Would not I think they analyze their data. I don't exactly

00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.059
they have a turnaround. It's pretty quick

00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:06.130
I want to say we're getting a draft report within a week.

00:43:06.130 --> 00:43:08.480
Yeah. Yeah, it was something like seven to eight days

00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.369
Yes, whereas it's a pneumonia will be part of that as well.

00:43:11.369 --> 00:43:13.599
So that they validate their their calibration

00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.070
All of that so that that ammonia will come with the with

00:43:17.070 --> 00:43:17.880
all the other

00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:22.420
Reports we get okay. Yeah, okay. That's interesting. Okay.

00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:23.000
Thank you

00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.070
And then that sets your so then that sets your your ammonia

00:43:28.070 --> 00:43:30.139
usage. So the plant

00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.190
Has a way so they're gonna test so every year or every on

00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:36.639
the testing cycle for the

00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.130
For the energy center all of those tests will be run again.

00:43:40.130 --> 00:43:42.559
So you'll see that hey our ammonia slip

00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.039
I just happen to have it in front of me. It's three point

00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.519
one seven pounds per hour

00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.679
So you're gonna gonna find a rate so that matches your dos

00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:50.260
ing rate

00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:53.289
So that is your the plants indication that that you're

00:43:53.289 --> 00:43:56.230
maintaining your ammonia slip by knowing what you're

00:43:56.230 --> 00:43:57.900
putting in is what's coming out

00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:03.090
Okay, thank you. You're welcome. And then my other question

00:44:03.090 --> 00:44:03.559
was just about

00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.880
emergency preparedness

00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.860
You know, you'd mentioned that you've worked with a fire

00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:11.159
department

00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:14.199
To be prepared for in case there's an emergency

00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.380
and is there been any if there been any discussions kind of

00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.599
between the or among the

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.119
Deck and fire and the airport since the airport is such an

00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.199
enclosed proximity

00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.280
as to

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.570
You know if there is an incident what the you know people

00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:36.929
working at the airport would would do you know, is there

00:44:36.929 --> 00:44:37.519
some collect?

00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.269
There hasn't so we've had some collaboration with the

00:44:40.269 --> 00:44:42.679
airport and some other issues the stacks are

00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.559
125 feet tall as far as particular on the ammonia

00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.469
One of the one of the reasons that aqua ammonia was

00:44:49.469 --> 00:44:53.309
selected is because it's a liquid so there some of the

00:44:53.309 --> 00:44:54.960
other there's other

00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.719
Businesses near the airport that have

00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.820
Ammonia gas which is I think what you're referencing is if

00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:02.960
you did have an issue

00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.030
That ammonia could live again a gas form could leak and

00:45:06.030 --> 00:45:08.320
drift around and that would affect the airport

00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:11.920
But ours is in a liquid form. So it's it's it's contained

00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:16.510
It's it's not going to cause an issue that a refrigeration

00:45:16.510 --> 00:45:19.960
would leak would have so we haven't had direct

00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.980
Communications on the ammonia. Yeah, I guess yeah. No, that

00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:25.179
's that's absolutely true

00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.440
Yeah, I kind of saw where you're going yeah, yeah we have

00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.309
Yeah, we've worked with them that it's been good we

00:45:36.309 --> 00:45:39.280
actually are sewer line that we brought to you

00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.190
Before Christmas last year actually crosses the airport so

00:45:44.190 --> 00:45:48.320
we're working with them on a daily basis. So yeah, you're

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:48.719
welcome

00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:52.960
Okay

00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.389
So, but I mean the safety features on the ammonia is self-

00:45:56.389 --> 00:46:02.119
contained yes in the storage tank and the off off

00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.519
Offload area and all that stuff. So, okay. Yes, sir. Okay

00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:10.440
any other questions

00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:17.179
No, we have a motion for this item I move

00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:23.400
Prove motion for approval and a second further discussion

00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.519
All in favor say aye

00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:32.230
Any opposed same sign. Thank you motion passes item number

00:46:32.230 --> 00:46:32.400
C

00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.670
Is to consider recommending approval of an ordinance affir

00:46:36.670 --> 00:46:40.059
ming the authority of the city manager or his designee

00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.739
To enter into a purchase of natural gas for operation of

00:46:43.739 --> 00:46:45.320
the Ditten energy center

00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.619
after completion of the projects test phase

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.960
Good evening, George Morrow

00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:58.239
general manager of DMA again, so before you to this evening

00:46:58.239 --> 00:46:59.000
is an

00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:03.159
ordinance that would affirm the and authorize the city

00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:04.840
manager to execute a a

00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.869
An agreement for the purchase of natural gas for the

00:47:08.869 --> 00:47:12.719
commercial operation of the Denton Energy Center may recall

00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:13.039
you've

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.039
previously viewed and recommended a

00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.170
Gas agreement for the deck prior to commercial operation

00:47:21.170 --> 00:47:22.739
and this is the pace that goes

00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.690
Beyond that time so commercial operation is scheduled for

00:47:28.690 --> 00:47:29.880
about the 1st of June

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.019
I'm open to any questions or comments

00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:37.639
Questions

00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:49.079
So one question that I have is why why is it

00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.389
Incumbent on the city manager to make that agreement

00:47:57.389 --> 00:47:59.000
instead of having it go before

00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.639
Council

00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:03.639
We're gonna take it to the City Council also

00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.119
Yeah, so

00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.170
The way these agreements are set up, you know, there could

00:48:10.170 --> 00:48:12.760
be a number of short-term long-term

00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.719
Transactions under this nays be and I think it's just

00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.760
And there is some authority provided to

00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.880
the city manager under the

00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.739
Risk-management policy. So a short-term transaction wouldn

00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:30.400
't need necessarily to go to the City Council

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.559
I know the city manager thought it was prudent and

00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.760
Go forward on such a large transaction is this

00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:41.469
So but he may at other times think you know if it's just a

00:48:41.469 --> 00:48:43.400
day or a week or a month

00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.769
Maybe to just do an arrangement like that. Yeah, so if

00:48:46.769 --> 00:48:48.280
there was an adjustment

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.039
So the con the terms of the contract that were that you

00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.420
know council will be discussing in closed session that

00:48:55.420 --> 00:48:56.519
specific terms

00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.420
If something came up and there was an adjustment and not

00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:04.199
those terms

00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.559
that would go right to the

00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.699
the city manager, you know

00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.719
would would have authority to

00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.440
Deal with them without having to go back to

00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:21.500
To council. I don't see I don't see any adjustment to the

00:49:21.500 --> 00:49:22.880
terms of the agreement

00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.780
Basically, we're asking for it's the it's a time period and

00:49:26.780 --> 00:49:29.320
we're trying and we try to provide you some

00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.800
Ideas to the amount to be spent but the terms will be set

00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:36.539
once the agreements pass. So it's really no negotiating

00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:39.280
There's just simply authorizing the agreement after the

00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:40.719
council approves it

00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.469
Okay, and then the other reason I thought this was so

00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:45.320
important to bring back to you is about

00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.150
You know, it's just the fact that it's a negotiated deal.

00:49:48.150 --> 00:49:50.460
It's something that we don't do often don't

00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.599
It's not our preference. However, in this particular case

00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.500
given the ball top volatility of the gas market and

00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.760
This follows important to educate the PUB council public as

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.360
to as far as why this approach is necessary

00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.159
Okay. Okay. Got it. Yeah, so you know, so there are no

00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.599
changes

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.039
Anticipated yes, so it's basically giving city manager

00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:18.039
Authority to exactly yep to sign on what council and PB had

00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.440
agreed. Okay. Yeah, that was my one

00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.119
Good clarification question

00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.199
Okay, other questions comments

00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.579
Their motion I have it I have a comment if nobody has

00:50:34.579 --> 00:50:35.920
comments or questions

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:38.559
Okay

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.300
You'll do it now or after we get the mode. It doesn't

00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:43.519
matter. Yeah, I would like to do it

00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.519
I would like to do it now. Okay, just to you. Can you put I

00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.679
just like can you can you put on the board the redact

00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:51.960
on the

00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.960
appear on the screen the redacted contract

00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.159
That's a see what I can do public

00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.719
That's right in the backup

00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.110
Confirmation agreement. Yes. Sorry. Yeah natural gas kind

00:51:10.110 --> 00:51:12.800
of confirmation agreement

00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.039
Just a second here

00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:27.800
You

00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:42.400
Sorry, but I don't I don't have that

00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.610
You want to do it on the website that somebody has a guys

00:51:45.610 --> 00:51:48.079
have probably been through this before

00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.679
Go ahead and

00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.960
Let's see do we need to sign into our camp

00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.119
All right

00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:04.139
Thank you so much. I would just I just like for the public

00:52:04.139 --> 00:52:04.360
to

00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.840
To see because people don't always go and look at the back

00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:13.599
Not just people who are here but people watching at home

00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.760
You

00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.380
Talk about the confirmation. Yeah that one that one if you

00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:39.199
could click on that

00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.000
Great yeah

00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.829
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, and if you could scroll just to

00:52:45.829 --> 00:52:46.920
the very bottom of that

00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:50.599
Yeah, and

00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.889
Yeah, so I just wanted to say thank you so much for yeah,

00:52:54.889 --> 00:52:55.840
that's perfect

00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.389
I just want to say just for people who are watching here

00:53:00.389 --> 00:53:01.400
now people who are

00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.440
You know what people who might be watching at home?

00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.239
That I myself plan to vote

00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:16.250
No on this because of how much has been redacted from the

00:53:16.250 --> 00:53:18.440
contract, but I also want people to know

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.489
Here and at home that and this was something that we

00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:23.440
discussed in

00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.360
the closed session that

00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.639
This is redacted

00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:30.800
because the

00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.400
The company that we're doing business with had requested

00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.840
this but but efforts were made on

00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.760
behalf of the

00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.719
art management to try to

00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.000
Make this information public so that this is being this

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.119
information is being withheld by request of the

00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.659
Corporation not by request of the city so the city really

00:53:59.659 --> 00:54:00.119
did

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.250
You know do their job in really trying to to get this

00:54:07.250 --> 00:54:10.210
information made public and it's just it's an unfortunate

00:54:10.210 --> 00:54:10.559
situation

00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.480
that

00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.760
they this company said no and

00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.679
there they had the leverage because

00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:26.000
For a number of reasons they're the only one that that we

00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:27.440
could do this deal with

00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.119
So anyway, I just wanted to make that clear that this is

00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.800
That

00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.400
That the city did what they could to try to get make this

00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.079
information available

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.280
to the public but

00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.960
And I don't expect anybody to just trust me

00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.980
But I do have to say like this information that it's

00:54:48.980 --> 00:54:51.800
missing that the special provisions is a secret stuff

00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.559
It's the most banal ordinary

00:54:56.239 --> 00:55:00.030
It is you know, it's just pretty banal ordinary standard

00:55:00.030 --> 00:55:02.840
stuff and I just I think it's unfortunate because

00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.980
You know nothing we can do about it. But when people see

00:55:05.980 --> 00:55:07.960
this they're gonna think what is the secret, you know?

00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.000
Being withheld. So anyway, so sorry to go on about that,

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:12.760
but this is really for the public

00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.840
To let them know why I'm voting no

00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.340
You know and I see at the bottom of this it's got our on

00:55:19.340 --> 00:55:22.400
the letterhead our core values integrity, you know

00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:23.420
transparency

00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.119
Obviously this doesn't show transparency

00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:30.559
But that's not because our you know management didn't try

00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.610
for the utmost transparency. So I just wanted people to

00:55:33.610 --> 00:55:34.739
know that so thank you

00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.639
Thanks a lot

00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.000
See anybody else have a statement

00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:48.360
Is there a motion on this item? I move to approve

00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:50.679
second

00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.679
motion and a second

00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.159
discussion

00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.360
All in favor say aye. Aye any opposed?

00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.320
me

00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.320
Okay motion carries

00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.639
Thank you George, thank you very much

00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.960
Next item we have is the ACM update

00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:13.679
Mr. Chairman members of the board. I'll be short

00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.889
There are a couple of things listed on your future agendas

00:56:17.889 --> 00:56:21.719
item for the next couple of meetings as we roll into

00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.989
Later part of the spring into the to the budget cycle of

00:56:26.989 --> 00:56:27.719
the PUB

00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.199
And then as far as your the business matrix goes

00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:34.969
There are still a few items outstanding that will be

00:56:34.969 --> 00:56:37.860
covered through the bit through the budget process

00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:42.300
The PUB as I mentioned here shortly shortly ago. Those are

00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:45.400
the reconnect fees for the meters now that there were

00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:46.579
implementing the smart meters

00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.860
The impact on revenues along with some information

00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:54.840
regarding to capital projects in DME and solid waste, okay

00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.360
And looks like

00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.599
We're projecting budget discussions

00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:05.840
Second meeting in May, is that correct?

00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:08.760
That's correct. Okay

00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.179
Any comments on the ACM report questions

00:57:13.179 --> 00:57:17.099
I was just a question. Is this where we would put that

00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:19.559
report on the

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odor neutralizer

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Typically yes, but we'll have that ready for you on May 7th

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the agenda

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I think that she had to we

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That agenda item is going to be voted on or looked at

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Okay

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Concluding items

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Under section 551 point 042 the Texas Open Meetings Act

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respond to inquiries from

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public utilities board or the public with specific factual

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information or

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recitation of policy

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Or accept the proposal to place the matter on the agenda

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for an upcoming meeting

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We have any

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requests for agenda items for future meetings

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There's going to be after the testing is done that'll come

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back

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Okay, very good I

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Want to thank the people in the audience who so graciously

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excuse themselves a little for just a little while and

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Sticking around hopefully you learn a little bit about

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How these things operate?

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Thank you for coming

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Is there a motion to adjourn

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Move in seconds all in favor say aye any opposed very good.

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Thank you