WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.839 April 9th 2018 public utilities board meeting to order and 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.080 first on our agenda 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:13.560 is we have a work session with a couple of items. Item A is 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:15.080 to receive a report 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:18.050 hold a discussion give staff direction regarding the 00:00:18.050 --> 00:00:19.199 location of the Ditten 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:33.960 Municipal Electric Mayhill substation easement. Well good 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:35.159 morning members of the 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.219 board my name is Ethan Cox I'm the director of solid waste 00:00:37.219 --> 00:00:37.799 for the city of 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.719 Denton. We have a joint presentation for you this morning I 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:41.399 'll be accompanied by 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.929 Brent Heath from DME shortly. We're gonna be talking a 00:00:44.929 --> 00:00:46.280 little bit about the Mayhill 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:50.020 substation and just to kind of refresh everyone's memory DM 00:00:50.020 --> 00:00:51.640 E has basically gone 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:55.200 through a public input process in the 2013 to 2015 time 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:56.240 frame and a site was 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.810 selected for a substation that basically serves the Mayhill 00:00:59.810 --> 00:01:00.880 area. The proposed 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.009 site at the time was approved through PUB and council and 00:01:03.009 --> 00:01:03.640 it was actually 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.209 going to be located on landfill property. Thanks to some of 00:01:07.209 --> 00:01:08.560 our staff and our work 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.810 with DME we've identified some issues with that location 00:01:10.810 --> 00:01:11.599 that we want to kind 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:13.560 of bring to your attention this morning and then also 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:14.480 request some direction 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.219 from the board. So to start off I'm going to give you a 00:01:18.219 --> 00:01:19.599 little bit of an overview of 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.340 the land that we have out at the landfill that's going to 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:24.319 be affected by 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.819 the substation site. As you may be aware we are actually 00:01:27.819 --> 00:01:29.000 going through an 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.879 expansion permit through the TCEQ right now. Public comment 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:33.680 period is going to be 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:35.930 up in the spring time frame and we're hoping that we're 00:01:35.930 --> 00:01:36.680 actually going to be 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.079 approved with a new permit in hand by the end of summer. 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:40.280 Very long and arduous 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.560 process but we're getting very near the finish line on that 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.680 . The goal of that 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.870 expansion permit was to increase our waste capacity for the 00:01:47.870 --> 00:01:49.200 community to an 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:53.519 additional 50 plus years and what you have here on this 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:54.719 right hand side is 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.689 basically an aerial view if you kind of follow my mouse. 00:01:57.689 --> 00:01:59.879 Where's my mouse? I don't 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:05.319 see it. There it is. All right there's my mouse. So we have 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:06.560 basically 11 future 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.370 landfill cells and I'm going to kind of orient you with 00:02:08.370 --> 00:02:09.240 what you're seeing here 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.240 on this side. So Mayhill Road runs north to south right 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 here. This is the entrance 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.270 to our facility. You have the fueling island right here. Pr 00:02:17.270 --> 00:02:19.840 att Recycling, our 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.909 home chemical collection building, our administrative 00:02:22.909 --> 00:02:24.080 offices and then if you 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.840 follow this curve all of our existing landfill cells are 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:28.280 down here to the south. 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.530 So all these little rectangles where you see like 7a, 8a, 9 00:02:32.530 --> 00:02:33.319 a, all of those are 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.419 future landfill cells that we would develop and serve as 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:37.199 future waste 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:42.960 disposal cells. Whenever the substation was brought to the 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:44.080 board and the council 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.960 previously DMU was operating under the assumption that none 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:49.280 of the substation 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.639 site would negatively affect any of these cell developments 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.240 . They had the 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.979 assurances of the prior director that that was the case. 00:02:56.979 --> 00:02:57.919 Unfortunately that's 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:02.719 not the case whatsoever. Give you another visual here. This 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:04.120 is actually an aerial 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:09.310 same location. You can see the cells. This whole area kind 00:03:09.310 --> 00:03:10.199 of encapsulated in 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.800 orange is all of our future landfill cells. Again Mayhill 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:13.560 Road right here 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.060 running north to south. The substation site as it exists 00:03:17.060 --> 00:03:18.439 today is proposed for 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.639 this area right here. So you can see that number one that's 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:22.680 going to cut out a bit 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.020 of our access road, our entrance here. It's also going to 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:27.479 essentially remove the 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.810 home chemical collection building. So it would definitely 00:03:29.810 --> 00:03:30.560 have that impact on 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:35.860 operations. These little red ridges here that ripple all 00:03:35.860 --> 00:03:36.759 the way to the top, what 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.860 that is, that is our slope of the future landfill cells 00:03:39.860 --> 00:03:41.599 kind of at final cover. 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:44.960 So the impact of having the substation at this location 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.159 would be that we would 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.669 essentially lose the use of almost two full cells and then 00:03:49.669 --> 00:03:50.919 you would also have 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.120 because of drainage requirements a ripple effect that would 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:54.919 impact as many 00:03:54.919 --> 00:04:00.039 as two or three other cells as well. As we identified that 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:01.319 we felt like that's 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.569 something worth discussion with the board as well as the 00:04:03.569 --> 00:04:04.360 council is what is 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.330 the impact going to be on this. From a solid waste 00:04:07.330 --> 00:04:09.919 perspective DME paid solid 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.879 waste about $775,000. That was for the home chemical 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.629 collection building as well as the land that surrounds it. 00:04:18.629 --> 00:04:20.800 The impact to the 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.769 airspace which is essentially the asset that is most 00:04:23.769 --> 00:04:25.759 valuable to a landfill that 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.259 allows for future waste capacity. We'd be losing about 3.3 00:04:29.259 --> 00:04:30.839 million cubic yards in 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.540 airspace. In effect we would be losing about nine or more 00:04:35.540 --> 00:04:36.319 years worth of 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.689 effective capacity. Now again reminder that we were 00:04:39.689 --> 00:04:41.439 shooting for 50 plus years 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.740 so we'd be losing about 20% of what we're trying to get in 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:45.600 the new permit. The 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:47.990 financial value if you want to put a number to that it's 00:04:47.990 --> 00:04:49.000 about 53 million 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.500 dollars would be the value of the airspace lost if we value 00:04:52.500 --> 00:04:53.120 that at about 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:56.949 $16 per cubic yard. Some of the operational impacts that I 00:04:56.949 --> 00:04:58.040 mentioned the 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.420 new entrance or the entrance road again if you kind of come 00:05:01.420 --> 00:05:03.279 back here this road 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.290 was going to be taking out. There was actually a capital 00:05:06.290 --> 00:05:07.240 project already 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.949 underway to construct a new entrance road. Whenever we 00:05:09.949 --> 00:05:11.120 identified this that 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.170 project was too far along for us to put the brakes on it it 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:15.199 would in essence 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.949 cost us more to stop and restore things to the way they 00:05:17.949 --> 00:05:19.360 were. So if you drive by 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.879 our site now you'll see that road is almost finished in 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:22.319 terms of 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.399 construction. In terms of displacing the home chemical 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:26.560 collection operation there 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:28.889 was also a project on our books for about four to five 00:05:28.889 --> 00:05:29.920 million dollars for a 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.560 new building. We've since pulled that out of our capital 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:34.519 plan. Regardless of 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:36.189 direction today we feel like we have some other 00:05:36.189 --> 00:05:37.079 alternatives that we can 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:40.579 explore but there would be additional expense for solid 00:05:40.579 --> 00:05:41.839 waste to basically 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:46.519 bring a building up to operational standards for the HCC. 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.600 So ultimately just 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.550 from an overview we feel like from a solid waste 00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:51.720 perspective this is worth 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.740 exploring alternative sites or alternative solutions. I'm 00:05:54.740 --> 00:05:55.680 going to turn 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.420 it over to DME. Number one I want to thank them for kind of 00:05:59.420 --> 00:05:59.879 working through 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.329 this with us. This has not been a pleasant experience for 00:06:02.329 --> 00:06:03.000 anyone involved 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.089 and ultimately they've had a lot of work that have led up 00:06:06.089 --> 00:06:07.279 to this point. We're 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.279 operating under the assumption that this was not going to 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:10.120 have the impact that is 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.430 having. So I appreciate their partnership and before I step 00:06:13.430 --> 00:06:14.079 down are there any 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.920 questions from a solid waste perspective? 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:26.470 Questions? Can you put the one with the the tier back up 00:06:26.470 --> 00:06:28.279 there please? So 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:34.040 basically taking out the southwest corner as you say has a 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:35.000 ripple effect 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.420 upon all those tiers and so that's really the impact. I 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:41.920 mean it doesn't 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.089 because we have buildings where those other cells are going 00:06:46.089 --> 00:06:47.240 to be. I assume those 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:51.079 are going away or yeah go away under new permit. We haven't 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:52.519 decided in terms 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:55.579 of phasing or the kind of the approach that we'll have in 00:06:55.579 --> 00:06:56.399 terms of cell 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.920 development. I'll use kind of this visual is what we will 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:02.040 likely do is start with 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.339 something like 8a whenever we get into these cells. Now 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:05.120 this is going to be in 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.319 the 2030 time frame mind you if we continue with our 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:08.920 current level of 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.660 growth and then we would start wrapping around again I lost 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:13.759 my mouse but you 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:17.079 would wrap from 8a to 9a to 10a and then come back around 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:17.720 to where the last 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:19.850 cells that you're filling are the ones that we would have 00:07:19.850 --> 00:07:20.560 to remove existing 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.699 structures. You know one of the things when we talked to DM 00:07:23.699 --> 00:07:24.439 E was well how long 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.029 does a substation really want to be there? Well it's it's 00:07:27.029 --> 00:07:27.800 kind of a permanent 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.810 fixture once you put it in you may replace some of the 00:07:29.810 --> 00:07:30.639 components but you 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.560 certainly don't want to be taking a substation out. So even 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.120 if that's 50 60 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.839 years down the road that's still not the the best decision 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:38.879 was my understanding 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.199 from them. 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:49.480 So the picture with the contours on it is it so it's one it 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.000 will eventually be 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.750 one gigantic mound is that the deal? You develop the cells 00:07:54.750 --> 00:07:55.720 individually and then 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.459 as you have slopes you can kind of infill in between those 00:07:59.459 --> 00:08:00.519 as more cells 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.089 are developed. Is that what we're doing with the stuff just 00:08:03.089 --> 00:08:03.959 to the south too? 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.439 Eventually that's the case. That'll be one giant mound. One 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:07.879 of the cells that 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.850 we're currently developing is actually in the middle of 00:08:10.850 --> 00:08:12.000 surrounding cells so 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.389 you kind of build the border if you will around that and 00:08:14.389 --> 00:08:15.319 then you fill in in the 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.589 middle. I guess I'm confused why we would start using this 00:08:18.589 --> 00:08:20.439 in 2030 if we really 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.800 haven't done the infills or bringing it up to the new level 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:25.199 that we've requested 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:29.949 for that. That's correct and that 2030 is actually when we 00:08:29.949 --> 00:08:30.720 start finishing 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.639 out the cells that we're currently in. And they'll be at 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:36.440 their new the new 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.009 requested level that we asked? That's something that's to 00:08:40.009 --> 00:08:41.000 be decided Mr. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.779 Carroll I mean that's something that we would certainly 00:08:42.779 --> 00:08:43.600 come back to the board 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.940 and the council on is do we want to max out our height on 00:08:46.940 --> 00:08:48.360 our existing cells or 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.059 do we want to have new development and kind of wrap around 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:52.200 first. There's two 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.070 schools of thought on that number one is you want to go as 00:08:54.070 --> 00:08:54.720 high as you can as 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.220 fast as you can. There's also the school of thought that 00:08:58.220 --> 00:08:59.440 construction is never 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.250 going to be cheaper than it is today so why not go ahead 00:09:01.250 --> 00:09:02.080 and start developing 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.149 those cells and then we can grab that height later on. And 00:09:05.149 --> 00:09:07.159 so I think that's 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.019 something that's worthy of discussion with both the board 00:09:09.019 --> 00:09:09.639 and the council as 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.639 we progress. I guess what I'm kind of getting at is if we 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:13.639 don't really have a 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.570 clear plan mapped out with what we're gonna do with what we 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:20.039 have then we may 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.009 get into a situation like we're in now where we planned on 00:09:23.009 --> 00:09:23.960 doing something and 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:26.769 spent money doing it or getting ready to do it and then we 00:09:26.769 --> 00:09:28.000 can't actually do that. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.399 So how can we really actually make a plan for that subst 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:32.720 ation even somewhere else 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.429 if we really don't know what we're gonna do with the 00:09:35.429 --> 00:09:37.559 landfill? Well I think what 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.370 we have here in terms of these cells developed I think how 00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:41.120 we get there is 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.679 not determined yet the sequence or how we go about 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:46.039 constructing these cells and 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.299 using them is not completely determined but from a permit 00:09:49.299 --> 00:09:50.720 standpoint we've looked 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.129 at this and this is basically where those cells would have 00:09:53.129 --> 00:09:54.000 to be. I think the 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.659 real decision is how do we sequence those up and do we 00:09:56.659 --> 00:09:57.759 actually end up using 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.799 them or not? Or really the only decisions that we don't 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.120 have made yet. 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:09.279 Does that help? Sort of. I guess what I guess what if we've 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:12.080 did you say 2013, 2014? 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:18.679 2013 is when the public input process I believe for DME 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:19.559 brought it away. 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:25.169 And I don't know so here we are it's 2018 and we're 00:10:25.169 --> 00:10:27.720 starting over again kind 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.279 of with selection for that location and that doesn't really 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:32.159 doesn't give me any 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.960 confidence that we have any idea what we're doing so I can 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:35.639 't imagine it 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.799 really would give anybody else who's actually you know 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:39.840 spending the money or 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.809 doing the work or bidding the jobs or responding to our 00:10:42.809 --> 00:10:44.159 requests for proposals 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:52.100 that we know what we're doing. I'm sorry. It was more of a 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:54.799 comment. I'm just 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.600 surprised that we're having to redo something that's been 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:58.399 on the books for 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.000 five years for something as simple as oh it can't go there 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:01.799 because we were 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:06.090 already planned on using it. That seems like a to me. I 00:11:06.090 --> 00:11:06.759 understand the 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:10.019 frustration and we're frustrated as well. I think that what 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:11.360 we're trying to bring 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.610 to you is our best analysis of the issue at this point in 00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:17.519 time and really from 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.580 our standpoint it really shouldn't be on any part of the 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:22.320 landfill site because 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.330 of these issues that Ethan's bringing up and when they 00:11:24.330 --> 00:11:25.200 would be developed that 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.259 would be our recommendation for you. We're gonna give you 00:11:27.259 --> 00:11:27.799 some of those 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.200 options of where it can go and how we would get there but I 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:32.240 understand the 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.669 frustration we're just trying to give you the best analysis 00:11:34.669 --> 00:11:35.320 of where we are 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.289 today and the issues that are involved. Well so how are we 00:11:38.289 --> 00:11:38.960 gonna build our 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.210 confidence about how we're gonna move forward tomorrow? I 00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:43.080 mean if we spend time 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.289 talking about it and having public hearings about it and 00:11:46.289 --> 00:11:47.480 then we really do 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.399 how are we gonna have confidence that what we're deciding 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:51.200 and what we're doing 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.169 is actually what's gonna happen and it's gonna happen in a 00:11:54.169 --> 00:11:55.759 timely manner. How do 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.000 we do that? Yeah it's a good question. I think the way we 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.000 do it is to provide you 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.690 all the information to be very transparent about what the 00:12:02.690 --> 00:12:03.600 issues are to 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.889 make sure we show you the maps of where the landfill could 00:12:06.889 --> 00:12:08.240 be, the locations that 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.629 are out there and the pros and cons of each site. I agree 00:12:11.629 --> 00:12:13.120 that that it's a 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.159 challenge of how it was done in the past but we want to 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:18.799 really reset that 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.549 conversation show you where we are today and try to move us 00:12:21.549 --> 00:12:22.600 forward. That's the 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.889 only way I know how to do it. Okay okay but by saying what 00:12:25.889 --> 00:12:26.879 you just said you 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.379 suggest in 2013 we didn't do all those things. I'm saying 00:12:31.379 --> 00:12:32.799 that yes that we 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.320 didn't have a good analysis of the site that's correct. 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.639 Okay thank you. Sorry I 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.750 didn't mean to make it tense. I think the you know I think 00:12:43.750 --> 00:12:45.000 the lesson learned here 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:55.360 is you know we just the landfill part anytime we look at 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.600 the going forward any 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:02.090 any using any of that it's it's it's such a long-term 00:13:02.090 --> 00:13:03.200 effect that the dollars 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:08.269 really add up the impact whenever you you know it's only 14 00:13:08.269 --> 00:13:10.120 acres or somewhere 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:16.960 around there 14.7 but that the impact is huge from a from a 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:18.039 from an economic 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:25.200 standpoint so if anything that's that's kind of what I take 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.000 out of this. Yes. Yeah 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.240 I would just like to say just in response to what what 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:32.320 Brandon was saying 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.379 and the presentation that we're watching to me my 00:13:35.379 --> 00:13:37.120 perspective is that this is 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:42.350 another situation where y'all are trying to mitigate damage 00:13:42.350 --> 00:13:44.559 that was done in the 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:48.309 past that you know we can't go back in time but I really 00:13:48.309 --> 00:13:50.679 appreciate the the 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:55.370 efforts to you know not only assess the situation but also 00:13:55.370 --> 00:13:56.960 to be transparent 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.700 about it and in being transparent we can show okay there 00:14:00.700 --> 00:14:01.960 are sunken costs that we 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.759 can't get back but also that that's no reason to and I'm 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:08.759 just confirming what 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.860 the suggestion is here that there that's no reason to just 00:14:12.860 --> 00:14:14.240 keep throwing more 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.620 money at it right so we can save as I think you say later 00:14:17.620 --> 00:14:19.000 on in the 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:25.110 presentation you know ten million dollars by not you know 00:14:25.110 --> 00:14:25.879 continuing to 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:30.090 throw money at these at these sunken costs so I kind of as 00:14:30.090 --> 00:14:30.639 far as 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.240 confidence goes just as far as my own perspective is 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.200 concerned you know I to 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.360 me this gives me confidence I mean it's not happy but but 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:40.159 it's for me it's 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.129 positive to see the transparency the effort to mitigate the 00:14:43.129 --> 00:14:44.179 past damage you 00:14:44.179 --> 00:14:47.149 know one thing that I would like to see more about and this 00:14:47.149 --> 00:14:48.279 wouldn't involve my 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.179 own input into the you know directive that I would want to 00:14:52.179 --> 00:14:53.600 give today and it's 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.029 not because I don't trust it but I'm just curious about 00:14:56.029 --> 00:14:56.960 what you were saying 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.000 about the new entrance road how you know there was that sun 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:01.000 ken cause but you're 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.440 at the but it's at the point now where it would cost more 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:04.200 to pull out of it 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.940 then to keep going and I I trust that I'm just here I would 00:15:07.940 --> 00:15:09.799 be just curious to 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:17.730 see I don't know maybe in a in an email or on the appendix 00:15:17.730 --> 00:15:20.480 to the next agenda 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.360 you know some whatever work you all did to look at to 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.200 compare to compare the 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.559 cost of right pulling out versus going ahead again I trust 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:30.200 it I'm just 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.940 curious sure but anyway and get something together great 00:15:33.940 --> 00:15:35.000 but I do I do 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.919 appreciate that and just for what it's worth from my own 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:39.480 perspective it it gives 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.899 me confidence to see that we're doing this and you know we 00:15:41.899 --> 00:15:42.799 've seen this before 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.299 with other operations in solid waste and decisions that 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:48.759 were made in the past so 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.500 anyway that's all well there's no other questions for solid 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:53.080 waste I'd like to 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.049 invite Brent to the podium and I'll let him take it from 00:15:56.049 --> 00:15:57.440 here thanks Brent 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:02.279 thanks Jason appreciate that good morning chairman Robinson 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:03.720 public utilities board 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.519 I'm Brent Heath executive manager for energy delivery based 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:07.320 upon the 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.090 information that we just heard about this expansion permit 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:10.919 that has changed 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.620 some of the criteria for the site that was selected it was 00:16:15.620 --> 00:16:16.840 kind of using a 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:21.309 Star Wars saga slogan a long long time ago in a galaxy far 00:16:21.309 --> 00:16:23.000 far away but it's no 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.700 reason to continue down that path if that's not the right 00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:28.679 way to go so Ethan 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.299 did a great job giving a brief recap of how we got here 00:16:31.299 --> 00:16:33.200 back starting in 2013 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:38.320 with a public open house we had a 2015 public open house in 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.039 January 2016 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.019 council went ahead and selected the site and then in June 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:44.720 of 2016 council agreed 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.009 to go ahead and fund the site with a fund transfer from DME 00:16:48.009 --> 00:16:49.679 to solid waste so 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:52.070 that three-quarters of a million dollars that was 00:16:52.070 --> 00:16:53.440 transferred if this public 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.409 utilities board and the City Council agrees that another 00:16:56.409 --> 00:16:57.039 site needs to be 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:01.679 picked or different option picked then that would be refund 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.279 ed back to DME and 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.250 one thing I do want to mention you talked about the 14 00:17:08.250 --> 00:17:09.079 acres chairman 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:12.279 Robinson the substation site the six point two seven acres 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:13.119 you see here would 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.859 be the site that we're potentially talking about abandoning 00:17:16.859 --> 00:17:17.279 but the 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.160 remainder of that acreage the easements for the 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:20.480 transmission letter still be 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.069 required and I'll go through that here in just a moment was 00:17:23.069 --> 00:17:24.559 that included in 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:29.019 this price here this is just the same right the one point 00:17:29.019 --> 00:17:30.079 two million dollars 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.839 included the other acreage for the easements there's a 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:36.000 couple reasons that 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.700 we needed the project for the substation and also the 00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:40.680 transmission line there's 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.930 both primary and secondary reasons one is for the 00:17:42.930 --> 00:17:44.160 additional diversity and 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:47.079 capacity of the transmission line through Denton and I'll 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:47.839 show some slides 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.430 and maps here in a moment we can talk about that also the 00:17:50.430 --> 00:17:51.559 substation was 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.849 planned for future load growth for customer and citizen 00:17:54.849 --> 00:17:55.920 needs out there on 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:01.319 the distribution system so we looked at some alternative 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:02.279 projects when we found 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.450 that the existing site was probably not the best solution 00:18:05.450 --> 00:18:06.660 long term for the City 00:18:06.660 --> 00:18:10.160 of Denton overall we were presented with five other 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.599 possible sites that we looked 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.349 at we researched and after doing that those are all in the 00:18:16.349 --> 00:18:17.359 landfill none of 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.490 those appeared to be near as viable but on an economic and 00:18:20.490 --> 00:18:21.279 operational 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.319 perspective is what had been selected so I think based on 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:25.640 information that we all 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.400 had at the city earlier the previous site was the best site 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:30.119 and actually 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.619 still is the best site for how it was intended however we 00:18:33.619 --> 00:18:34.640 do want to go ahead 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.450 and be a team player so we've come up with a transmission 00:18:37.450 --> 00:18:38.519 line alternative 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:41.759 that we'd like to present of how we want to move forward 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.160 and that will go ahead 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.519 and help us mitigate some high loading concerns that we 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:47.920 presently have on the 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.890 transmission system between the Paukris and Brinker subst 00:18:50.890 --> 00:18:52.799 ations and the ten 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.549 million dollars for the substation cost would actually not 00:18:56.549 --> 00:18:57.519 be needed at this 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.779 time we would hope that in the future as the needs arise 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:01.759 that that would be a 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.500 deferred cost that we could spend if that's needed in the 00:19:05.500 --> 00:19:07.400 future so this is a 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.160 system map a one-line map of the city of Denton's 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:11.960 electrical transmission system 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.710 you're noticing the bottom left-hand corners are Denton 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:16.160 West substation that 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:20.490 is where the only 345 kv source the strongest source coming 00:19:20.490 --> 00:19:21.200 into Denton 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:28.039 arrives into the Denton area get this mouse here that okay 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:29.200 right here the 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.630 Denton West station from this spot the southwest corner to 00:19:32.630 --> 00:19:33.359 get up to the 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:38.049 northeast corner of the system the Arco substation there's 00:19:38.049 --> 00:19:39.119 two ways to really 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.619 get there one is a northern route through the Jim Crystal 00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:43.640 Denton North 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:47.380 area around Arco to get to Arco there's also a southern 00:19:47.380 --> 00:19:49.079 route to come around to 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.819 get to Arco both of those routes are needed when the source 00:19:52.819 --> 00:19:53.400 comes into 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.039 Denton West substation it's split between both of those 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:57.599 routes if there 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.630 is any switching going on or contingency cases where a line 00:20:00.630 --> 00:20:02.079 is out of service 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.829 only one of those lines is is going to be loaded more than 00:20:05.829 --> 00:20:07.519 normal so the one 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.490 that we're talking about today is the Denton West on the 00:20:10.490 --> 00:20:11.240 southern route 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.980 around up to Spencer interchange and around Arco and the 00:20:14.980 --> 00:20:15.940 reason Arco is 00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:18.700 important to get the strong source through Denton is it a 00:20:18.700 --> 00:20:19.839 lot of it goes 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.579 out eastward to Collin County and so there's two ways to 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:24.680 serve not only the 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.410 load in Denton but also the load outside of Denton through 00:20:27.410 --> 00:20:28.759 the ERCOT Texas wide 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:33.079 statewide transmission system you may note there's double 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:34.160 lines a green line a 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.549 red line a blue and a red there's two different lines all 00:20:36.549 --> 00:20:37.240 the way around 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.740 through the Fort Worth Teasley on around to the Pokra subst 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:42.759 ation area from Pokra 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:45.920 substation up to Spencer interchange there's only one line 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:47.559 and that's pretty 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:50.119 descriptive because all these two lines through here are 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:51.079 what we call bundled 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.630 conductor it's two different conductors two different wires 00:20:54.630 --> 00:20:55.799 tied together per 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.519 phase it's been reconducted with higher 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:04.750 impacity conductor to carry more current presently between 00:21:04.750 --> 00:21:05.880 pockress and Spencer 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.019 this one section of line right here is the section of line 00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:09.799 that has been 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:13.750 identified as being overloaded as far as under certain 00:21:13.750 --> 00:21:16.619 contingency conditions now 00:21:16.619 --> 00:21:21.279 we have done some temporary fixes to where encore TXU used 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:22.519 to come out of 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.279 Spencer interchange and come back down to then head south 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.480 we have moved that 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.250 point of interconnection that demarcation point from 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:31.119 Spencer interchange 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:35.839 through some of our substation work southeastward down to 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:36.640 see this mouse 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.920 down to pockress and what that has done is that has 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:41.920 actually alleviated some of 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:46.230 that concern due to the encore TXU load and so we had the 00:21:46.230 --> 00:21:47.680 capability which we 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.930 took it was an option and we took it where we tied the two 00:21:50.930 --> 00:21:52.039 different sets of 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.789 conductors together and kind of made them a bundled 00:21:55.789 --> 00:21:57.440 conductor and so that has 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.319 helped us in this interim period but it has not been recond 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.680 ucted it doesn't have 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.650 the high impacity conductor and so we were looking for some 00:22:05.650 --> 00:22:06.640 alternate routes 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:09.329 to help improve that situation and provide the diversity 00:22:09.329 --> 00:22:10.160 that I mentioned 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:15.210 earlier so all wouldn't be on one path there's a lot of 00:22:15.210 --> 00:22:16.960 words for one map 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.940 here's two more maps maybe they won't be as many words this 00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:21.480 time the item on the 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.079 left the image on the left is zoomed in between pockress 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.200 substation and Spencer 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:28.819 shows that one red line that we just talked about the 00:22:28.819 --> 00:22:30.720 original plan it was to 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.690 come out of pockress find a different route a diversified 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:34.839 route around this 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.720 direction by the landfill have Mayhill substation and go 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:39.839 from Mayhill back to 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.579 Brinker and the Spencer interchange complex so this was the 00:22:43.579 --> 00:22:44.140 original 00:22:44.140 --> 00:22:47.450 proposed route it would have solved the situation that I 00:22:47.450 --> 00:22:49.559 mentioned earlier the 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.140 alternate route that we're proposing today over in the 00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:54.480 right hand side it 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.490 looks essentially the same with the same route for the 00:22:57.490 --> 00:22:58.759 transmission system 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.059 between pockress over to Brinker but it does not have the 00:23:02.059 --> 00:23:03.359 Mayhill substation 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.529 here so we are proposing to still utilize the remainder eas 00:23:07.529 --> 00:23:08.240 ements for the 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.299 transmission line along the landfill not put the substation 00:23:11.299 --> 00:23:12.160 there free up the 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.660 space for the future expanded cell development but still 00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:17.700 mitigate the 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:20.319 transmission concerns and the loading conditions that we 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:21.480 have so that's what's 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.319 being proposed is the transmission only approach at this 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.359 time so the next steps 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:32.359 if the board and the public utility City Council agrees is 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:33.119 to go ahead 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.039 and complete the design and the easement acquisition for 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.160 the new transmission only 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.740 solution there is one segment that has not been acquired 00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:41.880 yet for that and that's 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.079 needed in any of these cases and that's for these along 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:46.920 Spencer Road and we're 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.920 proposing to mitigate and integrate that into the mobility 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:52.400 plan for the street at 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.369 Spencer and so that has not been acquired at this time and 00:23:55.369 --> 00:23:56.079 so we propose 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.190 to complete that design continue acquiring all that working 00:23:59.190 --> 00:23:59.359 on 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.089 establishing that entire route we have feature 00:24:02.089 --> 00:24:04.039 considerations that will perform 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.250 a route study for maybe for a possible future transmission 00:24:08.250 --> 00:24:09.200 line between our co 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:15.309 and pockress and let me go back a map here pockress is down 00:24:15.309 --> 00:24:16.079 here we're going 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.420 to go ahead and build this transmission line that's what's 00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:19.920 being proposed but we 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.700 also have identified in some of the FERC 715 transmission 00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:24.720 studies that we've done 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.640 as a matter of fact we just submitted another annual report 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:28.440 on April 1st of 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:32.650 this year they're always do April 1st and we need to look 00:24:32.650 --> 00:24:33.759 at how do we get 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:38.039 from pockress substation somehow potentially in the future 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.220 up to our co 00:24:39.220 --> 00:24:43.710 substation on the far eastern portion of Denton and what 00:24:43.710 --> 00:24:45.579 that does is it would 00:24:45.579 --> 00:24:48.750 mitigate the concerns here it'd mitigate all this it takes 00:24:48.750 --> 00:24:49.960 all of these different 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.359 transmission lines into account and we would have a 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:54.920 straight path from the 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:58.130 southern portion from Denton West to pockress all the way 00:24:58.130 --> 00:24:59.079 around our co to 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.450 head out east over toward the Collin County area and so 00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:03.440 that would be 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.220 something that we would begin investigating we we have no 00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:07.480 plans there's 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.230 there's not urgent in any form or fashion is just something 00:25:10.230 --> 00:25:10.920 that we would 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.490 like to be in the process on looking at that and so that 00:25:14.490 --> 00:25:15.720 would be a future 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.779 consideration between our co and pockress and then we will 00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:19.480 continue to 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.539 research possible substation sites whether it ends up being 00:25:22.539 --> 00:25:23.160 maybe on the 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.500 east edge along this route once it's been defined and 00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:27.480 established and public 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.029 involvement meetings have happened and the citizens help us 00:25:30.029 --> 00:25:30.880 pick a route we'd 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.849 look for a new substation site that could serve future 00:25:33.849 --> 00:25:34.960 citizen and customer 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.700 loads and so that's the proposal in front of you today is 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:40.200 to help the city 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:45.170 and solid waste with the expansion permit the potential 00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:46.559 loss of cell space 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.299 in future years but we have an immediate approach that we 00:25:50.299 --> 00:25:51.680 can save and defer ten 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:56.920 million dollars and allow the land to be utilized for 00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:58.400 future landfill space and 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:03.799 still mitigate the transmission line portions at this time 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.359 so that's all that 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.839 I have it's it's a lot of information I know it's kind of 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:09.880 overwhelming it's a 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:12.470 little disappointing that we're at this point from where we 00:26:12.470 --> 00:26:13.839 began but we are and 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:17.579 we do want to try to rectify and find good solutions moving 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.359 forward I know that 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:23.099 George and Ethan and Chuck and I would be happy to answer 00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:24.519 any questions that 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.210 you have about the landfill or the electric aspects of this 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:27.980 proposal to move 00:26:27.980 --> 00:26:32.880 forward with the transmission only approach yes so I 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:34.279 applaud the 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.250 transmission only approach it sounds like a good solution 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:37.839 and as I said 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:42.960 before this sounds like a good way to mitigate some 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.079 unfortunate you know 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:50.059 sunken cost from the past that can't be corrected I'm still 00:26:50.059 --> 00:26:53.319 not clear about as 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:57.549 far as kind of future you know where to put the substation 00:26:57.549 --> 00:26:58.799 in the future I'm 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:04.349 still not clear about the need for that substation in the 00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:05.920 first place and 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:13.339 whether it's about growth here in Denton in that area which 00:27:13.339 --> 00:27:14.680 I don't quite see in 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:23.500 that specific in that area or if it's about the generation 00:27:23.500 --> 00:27:24.519 coming from the 00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:29.750 new from the new the new gas plant and the effect of that 00:27:29.750 --> 00:27:31.599 on on the transmission 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.890 load so if you could say something about that and and I'll 00:27:34.890 --> 00:27:36.079 just add kind of throw 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.480 in there you know also kind of thinking back to as far as 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:40.799 you know decisions 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.079 made in the past that that can't be changed you know I I 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:45.160 think about the 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:52.440 relation of some of these substations to the gas plant and 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.400 you know it looks to 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:58.140 me that these certain decisions were made with the gas 00:27:58.140 --> 00:27:59.160 plant in mind before 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.730 the public knew about the gas plant and that was by I mean 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:02.759 the people who could 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.119 answer to that you know many of them aren't aren't here to 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:06.720 answer for that 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.109 but I just wanted to note that just so in case the public 00:28:09.109 --> 00:28:09.960 is kind of scratching 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.609 their heads at home thinking wait but we didn't know there 00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:13.440 was gonna be a gas 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.250 plant then anyway but if you could explain for for us and 00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:17.039 you know and also 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.690 for the public you know how much of this had to do has to 00:28:21.690 --> 00:28:23.559 do with the load in the 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.240 area for Denton and how much has to do with what we're 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.359 gonna be generating okay 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.170 thank you those are very good questions I can assure you 00:28:31.170 --> 00:28:32.640 that the substation may 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.559 whole substation when it was planned in 2013 was prior to 00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:36.319 any discussions 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.609 beginning about the gas gas plant so it didn't have any 00:28:39.609 --> 00:28:41.880 relation to that it only 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.910 has to do with the transmission line loading that we have 00:28:44.910 --> 00:28:46.039 identified through 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:50.720 the FERC 715 studies so the the reason for the substation 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:51.200 versus the 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.940 transmission system is it does allow the substation allows 00:28:54.940 --> 00:28:56.880 for future load growth 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:01.440 customer growth in that area there is undeveloped vacant 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:02.960 area over in that 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.349 eastern southeastern portion of town we do serve some 00:29:06.349 --> 00:29:07.839 critical loads such as 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.599 the hospital the wastewater treatment plant and I see PS 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:12.440 smiling about that 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.220 and and FEMA has enough regional call center there and so 00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:18.519 the substation is 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.440 for that as well as all the other undeveloped areas so that 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:22.079 's why we can 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.819 not that's why we can get by without using the substation 00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:26.759 now because we 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.730 presently serve all of those items it would just add a 00:29:29.730 --> 00:29:30.920 diversification and 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.150 enhanced reliability but as new growth comes on we will 00:29:34.150 --> 00:29:35.319 need to look at another 00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:40.119 possible future site but that may be decades down the road 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.640 yeah thank you 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:47.839 thanks that helps a lot you answered my question on the 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.599 hospital load so it's 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.640 it's fine today but we may need a substation over there if 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.119 there's more 00:29:54.119 --> 00:30:01.150 load growth in that area that is correct okay so this you 00:30:01.150 --> 00:30:02.720 know that the area that's 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:10.180 just north of like along pockress and north or east or 00:30:10.180 --> 00:30:12.599 whatever it is of like 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:17.410 we're post oak and all that is that is that a service area 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:19.119 as well or is that 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.519 on we do serve this area around the pockress substation 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:23.680 there are you get in 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.150 some areas when you get on the fringe areas there may be 00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:27.279 some dual certified 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.019 areas with other utilities but all of this is in the single 00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:31.839 certified and 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:37.259 that's that's been a high growth area yes a lot of a lot of 00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:38.480 growth going on 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:43.769 there yes you know it's interesting I guess the other thing 00:30:43.769 --> 00:30:46.200 too on the I notice 00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:53.880 that were a lot of this ties back to the Urquhart 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.200 reliability from the from the 00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.720 West coming in and I just wonder if that has a lot to do 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.839 with the increase in the 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.000 in the wind power that's coming from the West we do we do 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.359 receive a lot of 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.329 congestion to have better transmission for that yes sir you 00:31:11.329 --> 00:31:12.359 're entirely correct 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.609 we are seeing more wind energy coming from West Texas area 00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:16.599 into the Denton 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.369 West substation from TXU and Encore and that does have to 00:31:20.369 --> 00:31:21.720 not only serve loads 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:27.480 here in the Denton area but also east of here sure yes so 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:29.000 you mentioned in your 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.119 presentation that to move forward with the alternate plan 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.119 we'll have to do some 00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.440 easement acquisitions did we begin easement acquisitions 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:40.240 for the original 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.519 plan we have all the easement acquisitions we need for the 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:43.880 original 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:48.579 plan except one small section okay and so just by looking 00:31:48.579 --> 00:31:49.920 at the map I mean it 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.079 looks like maybe it's only in a different place so that we 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:53.880 can see it on 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.400 the map you're not real are you really moving it to the 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.160 east the transmission 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.400 line would stay in the original location is playing so you 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:03.359 really so we really 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:07.279 only have one more property then to look at even for the 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.960 alternate plan yes and 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.930 we have a possible route forward for that with with the 00:32:11.930 --> 00:32:12.960 city mobility plan 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:17.269 okay do you have an idea and I guess it won't really impact 00:32:17.269 --> 00:32:18.680 the type of support 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.819 structures used or the number of support structures really 00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:23.720 either will it there 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:28.190 actually could be a reduction in some of the transmission 00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:29.519 poles by not having 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.490 have a redundant path with this new proposed transmission 00:32:32.490 --> 00:32:33.359 only route kind of 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.329 sounds counterintuitive but the way that it was configured 00:32:36.329 --> 00:32:37.119 there's some possible 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.619 reductions and I'll take your word for it yes can you 00:32:39.619 --> 00:32:41.160 describe the support 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.319 structures are they the big it'd be the rector set looking 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.319 things or are they 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.359 big giant metal it'd be the still mono poles single pole 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.519 structures with the 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.890 base size of those ones that are like this the ones that 00:32:53.890 --> 00:32:54.519 are like it would be 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.720 the ones that you've been seeing installed around town 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.960 all right thank you so yes ready I have a question 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.519 because I've confused myself are you saying that the 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.119 alternate plan solves 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.000 the Mayhill landfill problem the alternate path the 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.599 alternate plan with 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.089 the transmission only removes the Mayhill substation it's 00:33:16.089 --> 00:33:17.200 not on this plan 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.579 and that is the portion that is in question for cell 00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:22.039 development the 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.779 transmission easements by the landfill they all still 00:33:25.779 --> 00:33:28.000 remain in place and so by 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.680 just not putting the substation there and redoing part of 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:33.799 the transmission work 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.890 where we don't have the double circuit that I just talked 00:33:36.890 --> 00:33:37.799 to with about Brent 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.200 about reducing poles we can still accomplish the 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.240 transmission loading and 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:47.039 help with landfill cell use with this expansion permit and 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:47.799 save ten million 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.589 dollars save ten million dollars today with a possible 00:33:51.589 --> 00:33:52.519 deferred need in the 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:58.630 future yes so then how much more planning relative to May 00:33:58.630 --> 00:33:59.640 hill needs to be 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.799 done if this gets approved what we'll be looking at the 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.559 procure in this portion 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.369 of the transmission route right here that we don't have and 00:34:09.369 --> 00:34:10.039 then we will 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:13.440 begin at some point getting from pockress up to Arco which 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.320 we've not done 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.480 anything at all and that'll just be some preliminary 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:18.119 preliminary 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:22.480 investigations that is long term I my question was really 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:23.760 about the landfill 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.650 itself in terms of doing all this research and coming up 00:34:27.650 --> 00:34:28.800 with alternate 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:36.039 plans if this is done then what's the next going back to 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:37.159 the original 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:41.800 presentation then what happens or needs to be done or 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.920 looked at well I think for 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:48.510 us again these cells are what's currently in our permit so 00:34:48.510 --> 00:34:49.039 if the 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.289 substation does go in we probably have to go back and 00:34:51.289 --> 00:34:52.199 remove some of this it's 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.150 always easier to go to the TCEQ and say we don't need 00:34:54.150 --> 00:34:56.079 landfill development than 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:58.679 it is to ask for additional but essentially we would move 00:34:58.679 --> 00:34:59.360 forward with 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.940 the permit as is I think the next step to answer your 00:35:01.940 --> 00:35:03.360 question and maybe circle 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.329 back to mr. Carroll's earlier is we do need to do a master 00:35:06.329 --> 00:35:07.320 plan for solid waste 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.460 we wanted to make sure we understood where the substation 00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:11.239 was or was not 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.530 going to be before we proceeded with that but we do need to 00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:15.360 give back and 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.780 start kind of understanding how are we going to sequence 00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:18.719 this bring that back 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.800 to the pub as well as the City Council for your input as 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:22.760 well but understand 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.150 that these cells right here this is already part of the 00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:26.119 permit so we really 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:30.079 don't need to change anything if the pub recommends us for 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.119 moving forward to the 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:39.639 council so yes thank you I have a question about the cost 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:40.960 of so the 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.469 the acreage that was purchased from and I'm not sure if 00:35:45.469 --> 00:35:47.199 this is a DME or solid waste 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:53.079 I can see you're both standing there it's about the acreage 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:53.599 that was 00:35:53.599 --> 00:36:01.110 purchased by DME from solid waste for the $774,682 is it is 00:36:01.110 --> 00:36:02.039 that in any way 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.010 refundable since that's from that within the city that's 00:36:06.010 --> 00:36:07.320 all fund balance 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.150 internal budget transfer that would just be the area shown 00:36:11.150 --> 00:36:12.440 here in the magenta 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.000 the purple that's where the substations at that would be 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:17.119 the section this 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.690 775,000 that would just be a fun transfer back to DME where 00:36:21.690 --> 00:36:22.599 it came from 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:26.340 yes over to solid waste okay okay good good so that's 00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:27.599 something that the rate 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:32.880 payers can see that that's not part of the the sunken cost 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.920 right no that that 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.650 funding is available whichever side of the city yeah 00:36:36.650 --> 00:36:38.199 absolutely yep okay thank 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.329 you I was just kind of mentioned in that same conversation 00:36:41.329 --> 00:36:42.159 that would need to come 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.809 back to the PB for approval and then to the City Council 00:36:44.809 --> 00:36:45.880 that we'd bring that 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.000 back so you would see that okay just when this is kind of 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:51.920 off-the-wall 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:58.030 question did we consider possibility of a gas insulated 00:36:58.030 --> 00:37:01.159 solution to this that 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.710 was discussed yes I mean that that is you know has two to 00:37:06.710 --> 00:37:07.440 two and a half times 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.980 the cost sure and whether it goes on this site which we'd 00:37:11.980 --> 00:37:12.760 still would not 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.010 want to put it on this site after knowing what we know 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:16.519 about the expansion permit 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.489 but considering other sites the alternatives I'm just 00:37:19.489 --> 00:37:19.840 thinking about 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.849 alternative sites in the future if it gets you know if we 00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:25.599 're crowding in to 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.679 something it's it's something to look at right I understand 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:30.760 it's more expensive 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:39.929 but sometimes you have to do that so okay I wonder if we 00:37:39.929 --> 00:37:42.280 can add like we have 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:48.760 in the past we've added an analysis for GIS to every subst 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:50.199 ation I wonder if we 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:54.519 can add this analysis that I guess we didn't do in 2013 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:54.920 about a 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.969 transmission only possibility is that possible that we can 00:37:58.969 --> 00:38:00.079 now use do that in 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.550 the future for every facility instead of doing it five 00:38:04.550 --> 00:38:06.159 years later and retro 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:10.369 right yeah back in 2013 when we began this process we were 00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:11.559 so far behind the 00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.659 eight ball in the transmission system from the very first 00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:16.119 first 715 studies we 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.179 did in 2011 and of course we had our all-time system peak 00:38:19.179 --> 00:38:20.320 load it just jumped 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.469 like we have never seen before and so we didn't have any 00:38:23.469 --> 00:38:24.739 time to waste and we 00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:27.380 didn't want to get not only have the pendulum swing from 00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:28.199 being very far 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.550 behind to exactly meeting today's needs but why would you 00:38:31.550 --> 00:38:32.280 not want to look at 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.190 what could we do ahead of that to plan for the future and 00:38:36.190 --> 00:38:37.400 so we did look at 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.829 planning for the future and that's why we proposed the May 00:38:39.829 --> 00:38:40.800 hill substation it 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.039 looked like it was a good alternative it was on the new 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.280 transmission line route 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.639 we wanted to incorporate that but yes we can look at the 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.079 scenario do we have to 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.570 have it now or can it be deferred to the future and I know 00:38:54.570 --> 00:38:56.219 the landfill that the 00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:58.530 changes in what we're doing with the landfill is what 00:38:58.530 --> 00:38:59.679 precipitated the need 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.360 to evaluate moving this or do you believe that we're gonna 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:05.440 see any of this 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:11.840 kind of stuff with other proposed approved substations that 00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:12.360 haven't been 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:19.309 built yet for instance like the Eagle what is it Eagle and 00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:20.960 Eagle substation 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.670 yeah I mean because we kind of had a lot of public hearing 00:39:24.670 --> 00:39:26.199 a lot of stuff and we 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.489 picked a side and nothing's been done are we gonna reeval 00:39:29.489 --> 00:39:30.719 uate that one too do 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.320 you think I don't see that that that's actually the same 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.199 has the same aspects 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.940 involved this is city-owned land and so it was solid wast 00:39:40.940 --> 00:39:42.199 eland it was designated 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.599 through a lot of governmental and public involvement 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:45.880 meetings as a substation 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.079 site the Eagle substation site that you mentioned has been 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.800 selected and we're in 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:56.090 the procurement process for that it would be city site and 00:39:56.090 --> 00:39:57.400 so we're proposing 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.199 the GIS station for that it's needed for the University of 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.039 North Texas in the 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.070 surrounding area and there aren't any other sites or other 00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:05.119 possibilities of 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.619 how we pick up transmission loading and customer loading 00:40:08.619 --> 00:40:09.679 our general manager 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:14.880 George Morrow may want to speak about that okay certainly 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.119 George Morrow DME 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.570 general manager just want to make a general statement you 00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:19.960 know we're 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.699 relooking at our entire expansion plan for the T&D system I 00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:24.639 've not found 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.679 anything that's not necessary or needed but the question is 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:29.920 what timeframes and 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.550 so we may be pushing out some of the timeframes trying to 00:40:32.550 --> 00:40:33.199 smooth our 00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:37.440 financial impacts repair cost impacts of some of this stuff 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.400 I mean there was a 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.909 lot of synergies at one time we were moving forward with as 00:40:40.909 --> 00:40:41.599 Brent mentioned 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:46.280 just a ton of expansion why not get it way ahead of the of 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.440 the need but we may 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.360 be coming back at some point and saying we're gonna smooth 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:52.039 some of this stuff 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.050 out and but nothing that's on the drawing board at this 00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:56.079 point is we're not 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:59.489 saying that's not needed so you know the others are still 00:40:59.489 --> 00:41:00.880 part of the plan sure 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.320 you can stay there one of the things that it does for me is 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.480 as I when I came 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.300 on the PUB and y'all started showing me these maps and the 00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:11.280 high voltage lines 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.570 and how they run and we start proposing these things well 00:41:14.570 --> 00:41:15.780 people from this the 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.230 public start coming they say were you really not supposed 00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:19.239 to put a substation 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.900 right here in the middle of the city you know it's you know 00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:22.679 this the one that 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.300 worked that you just were referencing is right there on 00:41:25.300 --> 00:41:26.719 Eagle Drive there's 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.789 there's big tall buildings around part of it and this 00:41:30.789 --> 00:41:32.719 university and student 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.969 housing and things like that and people are saying well 00:41:34.969 --> 00:41:35.719 sometimes people will 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.360 locate those to the outs on the edges of town and bring 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:39.639 them in with a high 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.690 voltage transmission line and you guys actually not you 00:41:42.690 --> 00:41:43.940 personally but it was 00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:46.329 kind of the consensus of staff was no we really don't do 00:41:46.329 --> 00:41:47.280 that here we put them 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.409 we're gonna put it here because that high transmission line 00:41:49.409 --> 00:41:49.960 doesn't really 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.210 work like that and now kind of what we're seeing is 00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:53.280 actually you could do 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.039 something like that and locate that substation in a 00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:57.199 different area instead 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.280 of right there and bring that power in with a high 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.280 transmission line so I'm now 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.250 seeing something new a new way we could approach doing 00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:06.480 something that I thought 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.690 really wasn't how we approach doing things just yes and no 00:42:10.690 --> 00:42:11.460 we're getting a 00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:17.719 little bit off the posting by getting into overall stuff 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:18.199 and I know it's well 00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.710 that's I know but we're still posted a subject so we got to 00:42:21.710 --> 00:42:22.920 stick to that it's 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.440 not a wide open if we want to do a work session is this the 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:28.079 first time you've 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.800 ever seen this high transmission line solution I'm just 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:31.679 trying to learn about 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.000 it no I agree and maybe we need a work session on on what 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.219 George said what is 00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:42.610 our what is our overall capital improvement program and how 00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:43.199 do we go 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:48.769 forward with that and it may include more and I don't want 00:42:48.769 --> 00:42:49.519 to keep she 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:54.320 actually asked for that yes Deb asked for that and what we 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:55.800 got it was in a 00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.639 memo in the in this ACM update we didn't actually get any 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.380 kind of information we 00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:05.869 got something that we got to read and nobody actually got 00:43:05.869 --> 00:43:06.639 up in front of us 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.610 and addressed it she asked for it yeah so she may have 00:43:09.610 --> 00:43:10.539 approached him and met 00:43:10.539 --> 00:43:13.510 him later and got more information but we never really got 00:43:13.510 --> 00:43:14.860 much information well 00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:17.110 we do we do intend to come back if I could jump in just 00:43:17.110 --> 00:43:17.920 quickly we do intend 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.889 to come back at some point as we you know as I get my arm 00:43:20.889 --> 00:43:21.760 around all the 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.000 pieces and we have additional dialogue internally about you 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:25.960 know what impacts 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.460 will there be to the TND plan that you've sort of adopted 00:43:28.460 --> 00:43:29.239 and seen before 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:33.210 what smoothing are we going to be doing you know what time 00:43:33.210 --> 00:43:35.019 frames so we'll be 00:43:35.019 --> 00:43:38.849 back I think this solution is not going to be one that's 00:43:38.849 --> 00:43:40.440 adaptable in too many 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.389 other if any locations you've got to have substations to 00:43:44.389 --> 00:43:45.960 serve customers you 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.130 know you can't serve them off the transmission line so the 00:43:48.130 --> 00:43:48.679 substations 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.489 allow you to drop down the voltage to distribution voltage 00:43:51.489 --> 00:43:52.480 to serve customers 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.300 and customers turn out that they're in the center of most 00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:56.360 urban areas they're 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.610 not on the fringes and so we really need to put the subst 00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:00.920 ations unfortunately 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.139 because there's some impact in areas where we have the high 00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:05.119 load and where we 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.699 have customers so I've struggled with that my whole career 00:44:07.699 --> 00:44:08.519 it's tough and it's 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:10.909 tricky to have to drill and put that substation in an 00:44:10.909 --> 00:44:12.000 existing residential 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.599 area but sometimes you know it couldn't have been predicted 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.079 20 or 25 years ago 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.369 exactly how that growth was going to come and so we have to 00:44:19.369 --> 00:44:20.000 we have to 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.320 shoehorn them in there and unfortunately for for that but 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:24.800 we can't serve local 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:31.559 center of town customers from the edges I guess simply put 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.119 you just said you're 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.619 struggling putting together all the pieces and we'd count 00:44:35.619 --> 00:44:36.280 on you to put 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.079 together the pieces to give them to us and we're struggling 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:40.280 to put together the 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.280 pieces too and if you are I'm not struggling I'm not really 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:43.960 not struggling 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.199 but I'm you said I was just saying what you said right okay 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:47.719 I'll pick a better 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.880 word okay I'm very casual sometimes with my language yeah 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.559 so we're working 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.670 through that I'm working through that with the staff there 00:44:54.670 --> 00:44:55.639 's a lot of pieces 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.440 and moving parts want to be really sure about how if I'm 00:44:58.440 --> 00:44:59.280 gonna make any 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.690 adjustments going forward I want to be very certain of the 00:45:01.690 --> 00:45:02.400 impact of those 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.829 things and sometimes the leg bones connected to the 00:45:04.829 --> 00:45:06.079 different parts that you 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.050 didn't you didn't realize when you when you start moving 00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:10.400 things around so yeah 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:16.190 well I will I will say in light of we discovered today 00:45:16.190 --> 00:45:16.960 there was a new 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.929 solution to these type of things that we I would like to 00:45:21.929 --> 00:45:23.679 see a work session 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:31.960 dedicated to capital improvements and the FERC report yes 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:39.119 if we can okay I'm 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.300 sorry no I just wanted to add that actually that Brandon's 00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.000 question I had 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.619 the same exact question that I was going to ask so I 00:45:45.619 --> 00:45:46.760 appreciate that question 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.500 and I do think that it's it's relevant and I do think you 00:45:50.500 --> 00:45:51.480 know if there's one 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.699 I mean there are a number of lessons to you know to be to 00:45:53.699 --> 00:45:54.599 be learned from all 00:45:54.599 --> 00:46:00.079 this but but I think that one is a lesson for the future is 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.119 to really think 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.369 about you know how much in terms of building out for the 00:46:06.369 --> 00:46:07.599 growth can can we 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:14.539 defer and safely defer into the future because the the you 00:46:14.539 --> 00:46:16.320 know the O and R 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.110 costs you know for instance if we build a substation now 00:46:19.110 --> 00:46:20.639 you know even if this 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.380 wasn't a problem with the location right you know if we say 00:46:24.380 --> 00:46:25.719 this wasn't an issue 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:31.289 with the landfill still you know if it wasn't needed you 00:46:31.289 --> 00:46:32.440 know in the immediate 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.929 future so so that's just something that it's something I've 00:46:36.929 --> 00:46:37.519 always wondered 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.090 about you know why the this why we had the timeline that we 00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:43.559 did for building 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:48.630 out our you know our substations for the growth and from 00:46:48.630 --> 00:46:50.320 you know the amateur 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.840 research I've done it seems that you know that the standard 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.039 practice is to 00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:00.389 really wait until you know that it's going to be a need in 00:47:00.389 --> 00:47:01.480 the relative 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.360 immediate future you don't want to wait too long right 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:06.719 gonna make sure you have 00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.670 a site so you've got to get the site ahead of the need and 00:47:10.670 --> 00:47:11.760 and as you defer 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.920 in the future costs go up right new construction costs 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:15.719 escalate costs 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.380 increase so that kept those two things way together I think 00:47:18.380 --> 00:47:19.559 as Brent said when 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.300 he started this whole discussion that and I concur 100% the 00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:23.960 substation is 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.559 still a good project for us at that landfill site it just 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:29.840 gives some extra 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.280 flexibility but it might be something we don't need till 15 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:33.280 or 20 years down the 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.389 road it gives us some enhanced reliability we can do some 00:47:36.389 --> 00:47:37.000 switching of 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.739 circuits to improve performance in an area if some things 00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:41.480 we didn't plan for 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.369 happen you know that circuit goes out unexpectedly we have 00:47:44.369 --> 00:47:44.880 a little bit 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.880 additional flexibility so there's some value to that and so 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:48.760 I think the staff 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:52.500 was trying to program in that value early and in return the 00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:53.480 substation would 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.039 be there if and when the growth would come to that area so 00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:58.679 I know it's a 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.980 little bit complicated so I think the substation you know 00:48:02.980 --> 00:48:04.079 when you look at it 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.989 really hard for the you know the next let's say two decades 00:48:06.989 --> 00:48:07.639 I think Brent 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:11.710 mentioned that probably not a critical urgent need but at 00:48:11.710 --> 00:48:12.599 some point in time 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.000 something probably we would need to do out there and and we 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:15.719 'll be looking at 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:23.360 that in the future thank you okay any other comments or 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.440 questions so I guess 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.280 the direction you need direction from the PB on I mean your 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:33.280 plan is presented 00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.590 to we don't need actually need to have a vote on it it's 00:48:36.590 --> 00:48:38.320 not a voting item but if 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:44.960 there's a direction I guess I like the new proposal myself 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.320 okay yeah I feel I'm 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:51.769 hearing yes to the transmission only option and yes to 00:48:51.769 --> 00:48:53.320 deferring discussion 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:58.889 of the future substation placement okay thank you very much 00:48:58.889 --> 00:49:01.440 appreciate your time 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:06.820 okay next next in the work session we have item B which is 00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:08.280 to receive a report 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.039 hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding an 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:12.920 update to the 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:18.119 existing municipal electric energy risk management policy 00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:19.760 George Morrill DMA 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.500 general manager again you may recall early in my tenure I 00:49:23.500 --> 00:49:24.159 said I would be 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.900 back to talk about our energy risk management policy and 00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:29.219 that's what I'm 00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:32.760 here for today the original policy the policy that we 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:33.800 operate under today was 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.539 adopted back in 2014 about six months ahead of us taking 00:49:37.539 --> 00:49:38.159 over our and 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.949 establishing our own trading operation at DME and you know 00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:44.599 through that three or 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.889 four year period things have changed the organization's 00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:47.940 changed the markets have 00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:51.989 changed we've learned some things and so it made sense to 00:49:51.989 --> 00:49:54.719 to update the policy 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.269 and we had Deloitte who did a very nice job you remember 00:49:57.269 --> 00:49:58.440 the presentation from 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.579 Deloitte late last year they had a lot of great ideas for 00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:02.920 us and many of which 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.739 and most of which we agreed with and we wanted to 00:50:05.739 --> 00:50:07.559 incorporate into an updated 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.309 policy so policies needed of course because it provides a 00:50:12.309 --> 00:50:12.920 framework and 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:17.599 guidelines for the energy management trading organization 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.000 at DME there 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.780 provide some checks and balances it gives some like I said 00:50:21.780 --> 00:50:22.760 some structure to 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.389 what we're doing in the markets and it also allows us to it 00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:28.039 gives us some 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.789 direction on reporting back to the council the PUB 00:50:31.789 --> 00:50:33.440 internally what is what 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:37.460 what would the framework be for this for this for policy 00:50:37.460 --> 00:50:40.480 decisions so real time 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.239 here's just a little bit of what we do out there real time 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:44.159 we're buying and 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:48.889 selling selling power where we're balancing our resources 00:50:48.889 --> 00:50:49.760 to match our 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.380 loads and we're looking forward and trying to make sure we 00:50:54.380 --> 00:50:54.920 have enough 00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.079 resources during periods and making decisions about hey if 00:50:59.079 --> 00:50:59.960 we're short you 00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:02.349 know do we need to buy something when that you know when 00:51:02.349 --> 00:51:03.119 the markets are 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:08.250 supportive of doing that in the longer term we're trying to 00:51:08.250 --> 00:51:09.880 look at the big 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.630 picture integrating a lot of these new renewables that we 00:51:12.630 --> 00:51:13.400 have that's going to 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.679 require a little bit different paradigm for us managing the 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:17.480 partners that we're 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.449 buying and selling to making sure they're adequately 00:51:20.449 --> 00:51:21.760 collateralized and so 00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:25.969 forth and so that's those are the two time frames for for 00:51:25.969 --> 00:51:27.360 the risk management 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:33.010 policy so there's three pieces to the Emo we have front 00:51:33.010 --> 00:51:33.960 office middle office 00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:39.670 back office front office is doing the real-time trading and 00:51:39.670 --> 00:51:40.719 the near red time 00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:46.519 real-time type transactional efforts the middle office a 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:47.159 little bit like the 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:51.170 traffic cop it's checks and balances risk control it's an 00:51:51.170 --> 00:51:52.559 independent as 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.730 standalone type operation looking at what we're doing and 00:51:55.730 --> 00:51:56.760 why we're doing it 00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.679 and making sure that we have business relationships that 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:00.760 are sound with other 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.840 parties to do it then the back office is taking care of our 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:06.920 contract 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.170 administration paying bills making sure we have funds and 00:52:10.170 --> 00:52:12.079 so forth for that this 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:13.860 is a little bit of what it looks like and have a few of 00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:14.840 those folks here today I 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:20.949 wanted to introduce in the back office we have Michael 00:52:20.949 --> 00:52:21.679 Wilson who's our 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:26.219 settlements and rate administrator so he's taking care of 00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:26.840 all the you know the 00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.340 calculations to make sure that we're being billed correctly 00:52:30.340 --> 00:52:30.920 by all the 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.280 counterparties and by aircott in the front office we have 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:35.280 Stephen Johnson 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.610 who's our market operations manager he manages all the real 00:52:39.610 --> 00:52:40.480 -time around-the-clock 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:46.250 folks that are keeping an eye on things and balancing our 00:52:46.250 --> 00:52:48.679 load and the we have 00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:54.550 Smith day who oversees the middle office and our senior 00:52:54.550 --> 00:52:56.559 risk control analyst Phil 00:52:56.559 --> 00:53:00.719 Deepestina he's here and Phil's going to take over a little 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.119 bit of this 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:03.579 presentation there's some nuts and bolts that I wanted him 00:53:03.579 --> 00:53:04.599 to go through but I 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:06.949 wanted to talk about him a little bit because I was a bit 00:53:06.949 --> 00:53:07.800 surprised to find 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.880 him on our staff Phil has a lot of experience he's got over 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:12.920 35 years in 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.130 risk management for electric utilities he set up managed 00:53:17.130 --> 00:53:18.639 the front middle and 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.739 back office at Pacific gas and electric at a time when PG&E 00:53:21.739 --> 00:53:22.679 was the largest 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.750 electric utility in the country and I'm like pretty amazed 00:53:25.750 --> 00:53:26.679 to find he's here 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:31.440 with us he also set up an enterprise wide risk management 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:32.519 program at aircott 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.869 he set that up and managed that for a number of years and 00:53:37.869 --> 00:53:39.440 so decided to come 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:43.980 to DME and he's he's our traffic cop that I mentioned 00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:45.760 earlier so he's has 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:52.449 that kind of background and so we're he's here to kind of 00:53:52.449 --> 00:53:53.880 take over Phil if 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.800 you want to come up and he's going to talk specifically 00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:56.599 about the Deloitte 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.280 recommendations we tried to integrate as much of the Delo 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.400 itte recommendations 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.920 as possible into the energy risk management policy now that 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:04.679 we could but 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.699 it's really a two-part process for us and we have some high 00:54:09.699 --> 00:54:10.840 priority low 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.480 hanging fruit that is before you today that we've 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.079 integrated and then we'll be 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:18.090 moving forward to do a little more work on some of the 00:54:18.090 --> 00:54:19.639 middle or lower priority 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.929 items going forward and I perceive even a further dialogue 00:54:22.929 --> 00:54:23.880 with the public 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.059 utility board about what I'm calling risk appetite you know 00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:27.599 how much you know 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.130 what should be our risk profile here as a publicly owned 00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:32.880 community owned utility 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.039 and that's an area that we want to share some things with 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:38.559 you and get your input 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.699 at a later date so Phil if you want to come up and I 00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:42.960 dragged him out of the 00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:50.050 comfort of his office to do this so hope he hope he doesn't 00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:51.920 mind hi I'm Philip 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:59.599 de Pastina senior risk control analyst for DME and as 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.880 George mentioned we're 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:07.500 bringing to you a draft of the risk policy which we've 00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:09.840 updated I'd like to 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.599 go over a few of the kind of the highlights first of what 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:15.760 what's different 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:22.449 about this this version one of the things we've done is we 00:55:22.449 --> 00:55:23.880 've streamlined it 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:30.590 the first section and provided some clarification of what 00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:32.440 the why we have it 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:40.239 in the first place what the program goals are which are to 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.119 use the Emo to 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:47.920 help integrate the renewable resources through short-term 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:49.360 market transactions 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:55.960 and to minimize the risk of in doing that of affecting the 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.000 rate payer risks 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:03.309 the rate payer rates adversely the second thing we're doing 00:56:03.309 --> 00:56:04.119 is we're 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:08.619 consolidating what we formerly had two risk committees we 00:56:08.619 --> 00:56:10.000 're consolidating them 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:19.150 into one single risk oversight committee we're also 00:56:19.150 --> 00:56:21.000 highlighting the fact that we 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:27.110 need a number of counterparties to diversify our the risk 00:56:27.110 --> 00:56:28.599 that goes with 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:32.840 dealing with them and to ensure that we're getting the 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:34.199 competitive market 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:41.289 price when we buy or sell electricity one of the 00:56:41.289 --> 00:56:44.000 recommendations we received 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:49.199 from Deloitte was that we needed to improve the quality and 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:50.559 frequency of our 00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:55.400 communication with the pub and the City Council so we're 00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:56.719 incorporating changes 00:56:56.719 --> 00:57:03.519 in that risk policy to do that also we were it was a 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:07.079 suggestion that we provide 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:14.780 more specificity in our risk limits and how we control the 00:57:14.780 --> 00:57:16.199 the kind of deals 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:25.159 that we the emo does as well as additional detail on the 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:26.000 types of 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:29.739 transactions that they can do and so we've incorporated 00:57:29.739 --> 00:57:30.920 those things in the 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:37.699 this new risk policy in addition to the policy itself that 00:57:37.699 --> 00:57:39.119 we've included in 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:44.400 your package we summarized the recommendations that Delo 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:45.440 itte brought to 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:52.400 you I think it was on December 11th they had a number of 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.679 recommendations about 60 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:59.869 that were broken into high medium and low priorities and we 00:57:59.869 --> 00:58:03.599 've taken those and 00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:07.559 and try to figure out where we can where we can address 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:09.360 those in our risk policy 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:17.320 and we've done that and this is just a graphic to show that 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:21.199 yes we're gonna 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:29.599 pull up the Deloitte matrix that was attached to the report 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:30.159 let's see how do 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:40.360 we have that's it how do we blow this up or do we okay as I 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:41.000 mentioned there's a 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:47.260 high medium and low priorities that Deloitte recommended 00:58:47.260 --> 00:58:48.159 some of them I've 00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:51.960 already discussed we've 00:58:55.360 --> 00:59:03.320 reassess our the policy itself we've updated a number of 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.159 the of the policy 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:11.030 and we're in the process of updating procedure operating 00:59:11.030 --> 00:59:13.039 procedures we've 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:17.699 consolidated the risk policy the risk oversight function 00:59:17.699 --> 00:59:18.800 into a single 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:21.159 committee 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:45.230 medium priorities we've we're we've we're going to provide 00:59:45.230 --> 00:59:47.039 the minutes of 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.929 our quarterly risk committee meetings to the council and 00:59:51.929 --> 00:59:53.840 the pub so you can see 00:59:53.840 --> 01:00:01.289 more of what's going on and and what the Emo is is doing we 01:00:01.289 --> 01:00:03.440 've established a 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:09.550 clear set of guidelines for how the committees work and 01:00:09.550 --> 01:00:11.239 established a more 01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:25.309 formal oversight process the Deloitte recommended that we 01:00:25.309 --> 01:00:28.119 institute some 01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:32.639 processes for more formally transferring knowledge around 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:34.239 the Emo so that 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.369 everyone understands what the rules are who does what and 01:00:38.369 --> 01:00:40.199 how things should 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:52.760 operate and then there's a number of low lower priority 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:54.440 items most of these will 01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.269 be brought to you and incorporated in the risk policy and 01:01:00.269 --> 01:01:01.360 what we're calling 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.590 phase two later in this year and that's where we're 01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:08.000 developing reports and 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:17.269 actually asking for your approval of risk metric measures 01:01:17.269 --> 01:01:19.719 and evaluate how how 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:26.590 we evaluate the performance of the Emo so I'm happy to go 01:01:26.590 --> 01:01:29.320 into any of these 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:34.519 items if if you have questions about them 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:41.000 questions 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.780 scroll back to something that was a procedure rather than a 01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:49.719 policy update 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:53.460 that you can just give us some details about how you change 01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:54.599 the procedure and 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.929 what you did because a policy I know you we could just read 01:01:57.929 --> 01:01:58.760 it and say oh well 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.809 that's how you changed it but have you implemented any 01:02:01.809 --> 01:02:03.840 procedures based on the 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:08.480 recommendations from Deloitte that you want to share with 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:15.920 us the procedures are 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:21.429 being updated currently okay and we're kind of waiting 01:02:21.429 --> 01:02:22.800 until we get the the 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:27.880 risk management committee meeting so we can go to them and 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:28.719 ask them for their 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.800 approval okay on these okay okay so the most of those 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:34.960 things that are phase two 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:39.119 right okay right okay 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:47.710 questions there's also a number of these recommendations 01:02:47.710 --> 01:02:48.760 that will be implemented 01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:52.650 not in the risk policy itself or in the operating 01:02:52.650 --> 01:02:54.960 procedures but for example 01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:01.539 we're going to bring to you a recommendation to purchase a 01:03:01.539 --> 01:03:03.039 new energy 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:08.199 trading system a database that tracks things and generates 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:10.639 reports and as part 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:15.840 of that a lot of these recommendations we included in the 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:17.119 specifications that 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:22.440 we seek in that do any of the items cover business 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.159 continuity or disaster 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:29.429 recovery those types of things certainly that'll be part of 01:03:29.429 --> 01:03:31.119 the disaster would 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:37.230 would include the risk management system going down and yes 01:03:37.230 --> 01:03:38.519 there'll be 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.260 procedures on what to do when that happens we already have 01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:44.199 that if for 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:50.400 example if communications fail in the Emo office we've got 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.000 procedures on where 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.389 we can go to to resume operations okay thank you would it 01:03:57.389 --> 01:03:58.679 be fair to say the 01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.980 first phase was setting up the governance and the policy so 01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:02.519 that the 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:06.880 second phase you get more into the details is that right 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:08.480 there's as the 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:12.760 earlier slide mentioned it's the low-hanging fruit right 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.280 and the immediate 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:21.389 most high priority things which is refining the governance 01:04:21.389 --> 01:04:22.559 process and 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:29.699 establishing more clear steps on how the risk oversight 01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:34.800 committee works okay 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:40.909 question okay I'll just say I'm glad to know that we have 01:04:40.909 --> 01:04:41.920 somebody in house I 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.659 didn't know that either with a risk management such a 01:04:45.659 --> 01:04:46.239 strong mission 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.210 management background who can implement the Deloitte 01:04:49.210 --> 01:04:52.079 recommendations and I think 01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.099 if there weren't that many you know questions for you today 01:04:55.099 --> 01:04:56.000 it's because we 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.750 got had the Deloitte presentation and we asked a lot of 01:04:59.750 --> 01:05:01.280 questions then and they 01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:04.829 were really helpful and it's good to know that there's 01:05:04.829 --> 01:05:06.699 somebody on staff 01:05:06.699 --> 01:05:08.960 implementing that and I would just say as far as I guess 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:09.719 you're not quite 01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:13.510 asking for direction on this but you know I would recommend 01:05:13.510 --> 01:05:14.599 and it seemed to 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:19.829 me that Deloitte the way that they were assessing the kind 01:05:19.829 --> 01:05:21.000 of risk in doing a 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:26.039 kind of triage on what needed to be you know what was 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:27.000 considered a high high 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:32.829 risk and why I would recommend you know minimal you know 01:05:32.829 --> 01:05:34.440 the most conservative 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:41.300 approach and minimal risk approach possible because because 01:05:41.300 --> 01:05:42.199 we're dealing 01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.590 with with public with public money and obviously there's no 01:05:45.590 --> 01:05:46.760 such thing as a no 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.980 risk approach but you know to just minimize the risk I 01:05:50.980 --> 01:05:53.079 think would be the 01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:58.440 way to go and I feel like that's kind of how this was that 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.039 how the what was in 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.849 mind as these priorities were assessed by Deloitte. I was 01:06:04.849 --> 01:06:05.400 going to highlight a 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.880 few things Philip thank you. Thanks Phil. You know I was 01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.519 impressed myself Philip and 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.800 our other members of our energy management organization 01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:16.559 worked with 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:20.300 enterprise risk consulting to update the policy so we had 01:06:20.300 --> 01:06:21.559 their eye on it but I 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:25.840 you know we've tried to keep it understandable and readable 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.519 and you know 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:32.590 without a lot of industry cryptics and so forth and we're 01:06:32.590 --> 01:06:33.239 trying to be 01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:38.809 transparent with the policy so we're we're opening up this 01:06:38.809 --> 01:06:39.760 energy risk 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.730 management policy at this point didn't find anything in 01:06:42.730 --> 01:06:43.679 there from my viewpoint 01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:47.849 that would cause us any risk from a from a you know a 01:06:47.849 --> 01:06:50.039 transactional standpoint 01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:53.440 you can see we've updated some of the exhibits that are 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:54.800 really key to what we 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.630 do you know what are the authorities internally what are 01:06:58.630 --> 01:06:59.400 the limits 01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:06.239 internally both for electric physical and financial 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:07.800 electric and as well as 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.349 for physical and financial gas we're gonna be doing more 01:07:10.349 --> 01:07:11.599 gas transacting as 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:15.849 we move forward we're involved with that right now so and 01:07:15.849 --> 01:07:17.039 we're gonna be coming 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.070 out with other things that I think will will touch on what 01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:20.960 I just heard and 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.030 that's also my perspective from years of being in the the 01:07:25.030 --> 01:07:27.239 power business is to you 01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:31.760 know this is a community owned citizen owned repair owned 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.280 enterprise taking a 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:38.420 lot of risks and risk management are so critical I'm very 01:07:38.420 --> 01:07:39.880 conservative from the 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.800 risk profile standpoint I suspect you are but we'll have 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.039 that conversation 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.349 again as I mentioned we come back to you and I'll hear 01:07:46.349 --> 01:07:47.639 comments from everybody 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:50.610 along the lines of what you know what how much risk should 01:07:50.610 --> 01:07:51.199 we take and 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.639 shouldn't take and I think because this has been a bit 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:54.599 black box up to this 01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:56.659 point there's been a lot of folks thinking hey you know 01:07:56.659 --> 01:07:57.280 what's really 01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.670 going on in there how much risk are they taking what are 01:07:59.670 --> 01:08:00.480 they doing what 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.980 transactions are they making and you know there's a very 01:08:03.980 --> 01:08:05.360 very detailed report 01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.179 that we look at internally every single day that documents 01:08:08.179 --> 01:08:08.880 every single 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:12.230 transaction that marks the value of every single resource 01:08:12.230 --> 01:08:13.320 that we have going 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:16.289 out several years I mean we do it every day based on market 01:08:16.289 --> 01:08:17.039 conditions it's 01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:21.279 Philippus manages that and there's just we're on top of it 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:21.920 we're watching it 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:24.890 very carefully and we're not predisposed and never have 01:08:24.890 --> 01:08:25.199 been 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:28.720 predisposed from what I can tell to take a lot of risks in 01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:30.640 that area in fact calm 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:35.739 and smooth it has really been the the guideline I think our 01:08:35.739 --> 01:08:36.720 Emo staff has had 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.460 all along so it's just that it was hard to communicate and 01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:41.479 hard to bring forward 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:45.069 in the paradigm that we were living in in the past so now 01:08:45.069 --> 01:08:46.479 we're we've got a new 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:50.229 world we're want to be much more transparent and open and 01:08:50.229 --> 01:08:51.399 communicative 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:55.239 and we want to get your input again as we come back so 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:57.079 Philip thank you for 01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:01.970 your for the work that you've done to put this together I I 01:09:01.970 --> 01:09:03.159 think we dealt 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:08.449 with a lot of what we heard from from Deloitte we've got 01:09:08.449 --> 01:09:09.960 the the next phase 01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.550 that was just talked about in particularly that first item 01:09:13.550 --> 01:09:14.119 which is 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.909 you know making sure we're all comfortable with what we're 01:09:16.909 --> 01:09:17.399 doing the 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.449 risks that we're taking and what's our risk tolerance and 01:09:20.449 --> 01:09:22.920 you heard my 01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:25.449 perspective a little bit but I don't run that you know it's 01:09:25.449 --> 01:09:26.399 not my call it's your 01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:31.430 call as the governance body for this agency and and we'll 01:09:31.430 --> 01:09:33.000 talk more about how 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:34.920 we're going to communicate with you going forward to make 01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:35.359 sure you get 01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:39.100 information that you're comfortable with what we're doing 01:09:39.100 --> 01:09:40.279 so we're back 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:45.039 probably in about September for the phase two we'll clean 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:46.000 up everything and 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.760 in between the time now and then we'll come in for some 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:50.079 more feedback from you 01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:54.659 so that's our risk management policy if we get your support 01:09:54.659 --> 01:09:55.579 we intend to come 01:09:55.579 --> 01:09:59.130 back at a future meeting for formal approval we'll have our 01:09:59.130 --> 01:10:00.039 kickoff meeting 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:04.270 of the new risk management committee and there's a lot of 01:10:04.270 --> 01:10:05.319 work for that 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:08.819 committee to do going forward to educate themselves I think 01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:09.600 the chair of the 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.859 PUB sits on that committee and it has a vote so look 01:10:13.859 --> 01:10:16.000 forward to working with the 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:20.039 chair and and him communicating communicating back to you 01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:21.279 with what's 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.640 going on 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:29.090 having a little bit of experience with drafting policies 01:10:29.090 --> 01:10:30.680 and procedures and 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:34.420 with compliance in several industries I've seen this happen 01:10:34.420 --> 01:10:35.399 a bunch of times 01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:40.300 where an organization will go through the procedures to do 01:10:40.300 --> 01:10:41.760 all this to write 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:45.819 all this they bind them and then they go on a shelf what do 01:10:45.819 --> 01:10:48.359 you have planned as 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:52.930 far as implementing training or at least some kind of 01:10:52.930 --> 01:10:55.380 acknowledgement from your 01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:58.720 staff that they've actually read these policies and 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.479 procedures and are going to 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.239 follow them good point yeah one of the exhibits of the 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:04.600 policy is a sign-off 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:07.750 sheet by employees that says we we've read and we will 01:11:07.750 --> 01:11:09.000 follow all the employees 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:12.210 involved in the energy management procurement and sales but 01:11:12.210 --> 01:11:13.199 it's a living 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.279 document it can't sit on the shelf there's too much at 01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:17.199 stake here there's 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:22.130 too many dollars at risk the the energy management side is 01:11:22.130 --> 01:11:23.520 too large and so 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.729 these conversations and the interaction between the front 01:11:26.729 --> 01:11:28.000 middle and back office 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.739 is happening many times a day there's there's just a lot of 01:11:31.739 --> 01:11:32.380 oversight and 01:11:32.380 --> 01:11:36.210 input I spend a lot of time looking at what we're doing and 01:11:36.210 --> 01:11:36.960 why we're doing it 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.859 and so and we'll be communicating everything back to the 01:11:40.859 --> 01:11:42.119 risk management 01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.090 committee and there's some general city folks that will be 01:11:45.090 --> 01:11:45.760 sitting on that 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:49.590 committee also that you know it will be all of us will be 01:11:49.590 --> 01:11:51.199 managing that function 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.760 so it's a real thing I agree with you a hundred percent you 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:56.079 do the long-term 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:59.380 strategic plan everybody you know says yes yes yes and it 01:11:59.380 --> 01:12:00.399 sits over there this 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:05.319 disk that cannot happen here and have you all invested in a 01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:06.520 document management 01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:09.710 system that will allow you to update the living document 01:12:09.710 --> 01:12:11.039 and then let everybody 01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:14.260 know that there have been changes published and that they 01:12:14.260 --> 01:12:15.239 're responsible 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:18.529 for understanding them and knowing them and adhering to 01:12:18.529 --> 01:12:20.119 them yeah if we make any 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.170 changes to the procedures and the policy everybody will get 01:12:23.170 --> 01:12:24.159 a copy of those and 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:26.489 we'll have input into it internally but everyone will get a 01:12:26.489 --> 01:12:27.319 final copy of that 01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.380 and we do have document management system at DME there's 01:12:30.380 --> 01:12:31.479 centralized files 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.000 for everything that we have and this will be there 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:35.319 available for anybody that 01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:39.310 has that need but it won't be like we said we're not int 01:12:39.310 --> 01:12:41.680 ending it to be black 01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:45.569 box for anymore for this group and we don't it's not black 01:12:45.569 --> 01:12:46.720 box for our people 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:50.460 either it's totally it's a living and breathing and it has 01:12:50.460 --> 01:12:51.239 we have to live and 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:54.159 breathe it every day it's just too much at stake and it's 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.439 too important and you 01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:58.829 know my review of the of the front office so that's the 01:12:58.829 --> 01:12:59.680 folks involved in 01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:03.180 the around-the-clock operation to match the resources with 01:13:03.180 --> 01:13:04.319 our loads I've been 01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:07.819 very impressed the resumes for that group are as impressive 01:13:07.819 --> 01:13:08.560 as Phillips 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.649 resumes and we have a lot of folks that have experience at 01:13:11.649 --> 01:13:12.720 aircott and other 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.550 large utilities and have come here that have you know might 01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:17.680 have taken them a 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:19.850 little bit but they've kind of learned the public power 01:13:19.850 --> 01:13:21.199 community-owned ethic 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:25.510 and they're as they sort of talk the same language that you 01:13:25.510 --> 01:13:26.680 know I'd like to 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.069 talk and I think you would be talking about what we should 01:13:29.069 --> 01:13:29.720 be doing and why 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:32.319 we're doing it and how we're doing it and what risk we're 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:33.520 taking or not taking 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:40.970 so thank you thank you since the new risk management 01:13:40.970 --> 01:13:41.840 committee is it you know 01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.869 crucial part of all this I was wondering if you could 01:13:44.869 --> 01:13:47.520 explain both for us and for 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:51.350 the public who sits on that committee you know how the the 01:13:51.350 --> 01:13:52.279 constitution of that 01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:56.020 committee was decided and by Constitution I mean how it was 01:13:56.020 --> 01:13:56.520 how it's 01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:01.600 constituted and how that was decided what term limits are 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.640 etc yeah Philip do 01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:05.750 you have anything you want to share on the committee itself 01:14:05.750 --> 01:14:06.600 I had actually had 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:09.720 a slide on that I was gonna I don't know that we brought it 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:11.560 okay 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.140 let me just bring up the document here I don't think I can 01:14:21.140 --> 01:14:24.479 bring up the policy 01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:28.750 itself it's in the yeah oh here does this say no no 01:14:28.750 --> 01:14:31.039 actually don't have the 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:37.909 policy Philip it's in the agenda so it's yeah well I don't 01:14:37.909 --> 01:14:40.520 well it's in the it's 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:40.520 in the staff report but it's not part of the presentation 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:44.760 so one of the things I 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:50.050 you know I will chair that committee so we'll have the 01:14:50.050 --> 01:14:53.079 deputy city manager we'll 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:56.819 have the we'll have the finance director or designee we 01:14:56.819 --> 01:14:58.840 have the pub chair or 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:06.829 designee and and we'll have the gentleman in the back there 01:15:06.829 --> 01:15:07.399 from legal 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:10.369 that will sit on that committee so that's kind of what I'm 01:15:10.369 --> 01:15:11.199 used to so it's 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:16.050 basically those five folks they'll have votes and the other 01:15:16.050 --> 01:15:17.399 committees that I've 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.520 chaired in the past are very similar I represent the 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:21.880 department basically and 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.420 then we have folks from outside the department so there's 01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:25.439 plenty of oversight 01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:27.829 and checks and balances we'll have a lot of staff members 01:15:27.829 --> 01:15:28.600 attending those 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.260 meetings and being involved and presenting and here's what 01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:31.819 the market 01:15:31.819 --> 01:15:34.069 looks like here's our forward projections of what's 01:15:34.069 --> 01:15:34.760 happening here's 01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.329 the resources we're bringing online here's you know here's 01:15:38.329 --> 01:15:39.399 the economics of 01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.800 certain types of deals and try to and getting authority to 01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:43.300 do some 01:15:43.300 --> 01:15:50.810 transactions so did that answer any of your question 01:15:50.810 --> 01:15:51.520 possibly didn't answer 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:55.119 everything yeah and and so this was the site so the makeup 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:55.960 of the committee is 01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.000 decided internally and right in DME and will will the 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.239 meetings of that committee 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:06.119 be posted and open to the public no of course not yeah I 01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:07.960 figured no because 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:10.350 setting you up for just to kind of explain you know also 01:16:10.350 --> 01:16:11.079 for the public 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.789 I'm so honest that's I had to give you that no no no no no 01:16:13.789 --> 01:16:14.960 no our intention is 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.489 okay I following the meetings something we're not doing 01:16:17.489 --> 01:16:18.399 today we're gonna put 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.760 minutes together and you know I'm not sure how deep or how 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:22.920 much and we'll make 01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.310 those available to the utility board in the council each 01:16:25.310 --> 01:16:26.119 quarter you know 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.180 minimum quarterly meetings possibly meetings quite a bit 01:16:29.180 --> 01:16:29.960 ahead of that I 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.710 actually have quite a few things in my mind lined up that I 01:16:32.710 --> 01:16:33.560 want to get some 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:36.600 direction and input from that committee on so we'll be 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:37.920 going through a lot of 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:45.359 learning together and and providing the direction I think 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:45.960 the department needs 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:50.010 going forward so thank you for setting me up for that but 01:16:50.010 --> 01:16:51.720 so they so the the 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:54.800 decisions of that committee will be you know presented you 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:55.760 know not only the 01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:59.920 minutes but at some point yes but it's not an open 01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:01.600 committee though yes under I 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.100 think that would not be a smart thing for us to do we're 01:17:04.100 --> 01:17:05.119 still involved in the 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:08.380 committee you know everybody else we deal with there pretty 01:17:08.380 --> 01:17:09.359 much our private 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:13.109 sector they have black boxes they're confidential we don't 01:17:13.109 --> 01:17:13.880 know we don't know 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:16.890 what cards they have or what they're thinking or so you 01:17:16.890 --> 01:17:18.159 know we do so we have 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:20.590 to be a little bit careful but some of the things there 01:17:20.590 --> 01:17:21.520 will be reportings kind 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:25.840 of semi-annually to PUB and council providing quarterly 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:27.000 after the minutes 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.699 we'll be providing information about those but you know I 01:17:29.699 --> 01:17:31.359 don't I don't know 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:33.319 that it'll be anything there that we would be that we 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:34.399 review as confidential 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:38.300 or would adverse us from a power marketing standpoint we 01:17:38.300 --> 01:17:39.000 did make the 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:43.510 decision internally I think we had input from ERC I think 01:17:43.510 --> 01:17:44.479 we had some input 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.909 possibly from Deloitte about the makeup it's totally up to 01:17:47.909 --> 01:17:48.979 the PUB if you look 01:17:48.979 --> 01:17:51.149 at that makeup that we have and you think that's not 01:17:51.149 --> 01:17:52.720 appropriate that's what 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:55.109 these work sessions are for and you if you don't do it 01:17:55.109 --> 01:17:56.079 today you can do it in 01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.810 between like I say we'll be coming back at some point with 01:17:58.810 --> 01:17:59.520 the document for 01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:04.770 formal approval and I'd be open to hearing any thoughts now 01:18:04.770 --> 01:18:06.239 or later from 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:09.979 the PUB on the committee makeup I see the makeup of the 01:18:09.979 --> 01:18:11.039 committee is very 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:15.279 appropriate it's got all the right people at the table so 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:15.800 thank you very 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.539 much I'm glad to see it I'm glad to see how this is all 01:18:19.539 --> 01:18:20.640 being put together and 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.050 that's being shared because I don't think any of this was 01:18:24.050 --> 01:18:25.479 in place prior to 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:30.439 is that correct right we there was a different makeup there 01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:30.920 were a couple of 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:35.430 different committees they were more internal than external 01:18:35.430 --> 01:18:36.399 and this is a 01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:41.079 whole new paradigm for us and I'm looking forward to it I 01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:41.960 like to say we 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:44.699 want to be as transparent and open as possible and not 01:18:44.699 --> 01:18:46.279 impacting our cost 01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.500 benefits and that kind of thing Brian I just want to make 01:18:49.500 --> 01:18:50.439 one other point I 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:52.909 think George and his staff done a good job taking a look at 01:18:52.909 --> 01:18:53.720 this from a fresh 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.770 perspective with the new environment and then bringing 01:18:56.770 --> 01:18:58.000 something back and it 01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:00.159 really dawned on us too as we were going through this this 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:01.760 was approved in 2014 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:05.159 right I think it was originally and it wasn't brought back 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:06.119 on an annual basis 01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:09.090 back to council or PUB so we want to have at least an 01:19:09.090 --> 01:19:10.279 annual process to bring 01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.090 it back and say here's where the policy is there any tweaks 01:19:13.090 --> 01:19:13.960 we need to make to 01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.439 it how's it working for you guys how's it working for us is 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:17.199 there anything that 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.189 we need to change and constantly keep that in front of both 01:19:20.189 --> 01:19:21.159 the board and the 01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.229 council because board members change council members change 01:19:24.229 --> 01:19:25.000 staff changes 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.279 always really have this at the forefront so we can make 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:28.479 good decisions but I 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:30.319 think they've done a good job of taking a look at all that 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:31.079 and we'll bring this 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:34.050 back to you on a regular basis so it's you know unlocking 01:19:34.050 --> 01:19:35.079 those mysteries of 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:37.680 what's going on really have a good transparent conversation 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:38.319 about what's 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.319 happening yeah and there actually has been a lot of updates 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:42.079 Philip had a 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:44.800 redline version for you at one time attached to the report 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:45.560 and it was just 01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:49.649 there was so much red ink I just that didn't help so we we 01:19:49.649 --> 01:19:50.800 didn't really 01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:53.050 provide the red line because there is so much so many 01:19:53.050 --> 01:19:54.279 changes in there but again 01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:58.069 we tried to make it understandable and and for for lay 01:19:58.069 --> 01:19:59.319 people not that you're 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:01.260 laypeople but in general for the public or others that 01:20:01.260 --> 01:20:02.279 might want to look at it 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:06.520 and for our own staff that's it's a roadmap for us to 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.920 manage our risk well 01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:14.899 we can we can still consider ourselves as like people that 01:20:14.899 --> 01:20:18.439 's not but no you 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:21.409 know this is this is I like the structure because I think 01:20:21.409 --> 01:20:22.039 it's gonna 01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:27.119 provide excuse me better opportunity for communication to 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:28.359 the PAB and the council 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:32.319 and like you say there are certain competitive matters that 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:33.319 you don't want 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:40.770 you can't discuss but at least we can we can it's good to 01:20:40.770 --> 01:20:42.039 know that everything 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:49.079 that's been done has been done correctly and the high 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:51.880 priority part of this is 01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:56.699 that the governance and making sure that everybody knows 01:20:56.699 --> 01:20:58.079 what's going on 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:04.960 everybody's informed and so I think again I'll echo Brian's 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.159 comments that 01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:14.310 this is this is good I like them I like this thank you 01:21:14.310 --> 01:21:15.039 thank you very much okay 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:27.800 anything else okay we have next part of the meeting we have 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:28.600 a consent agenda 01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:36.050 with five items ABCD and E is there any member of the board 01:21:36.050 --> 01:21:38.159 who would like to 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:43.329 pull any of these items for individual consideration yes I 01:21:43.329 --> 01:21:44.199 would like to pull 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:53.399 D just because I'd like to hear more about that okay item D 01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:54.840 it's been pulled 01:21:54.840 --> 01:22:14.960 any other items D okay then item is there a motion then on 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:15.479 the consent 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:23.970 agenda for items ABC and E so moved we have a motion to 01:22:23.970 --> 01:22:25.960 approve those four 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:30.840 items is there a second second second any further 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.319 discussion all in favor say 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:39.640 aye aye any opposed same sign okay item D which is consider 01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:41.119 recommending 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:44.119 adoption of an ordinance authorizing the city manager to 01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:45.359 surrender to Bloomfield 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:51.199 homes LP a certain irrevocable standby letter credit dated 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.119 November 12 2013 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:58.279 drawn on Texas Capital Bank in the amount of 176 thousand 01:22:58.279 --> 01:22:59.359 one hundred forty 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:03.479 three dollars and ninety three cents in which Bloomfield 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:05.520 homes LP is the 01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:10.090 applicant and the city of Denton is a beneficiary and 01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:11.779 further partial 01:23:11.779 --> 01:23:15.529 releasing Bloomfield homes from financial obligations 01:23:15.529 --> 01:23:16.560 concerning the 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:20.920 construction of water and wastewater lines included in that 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:22.079 certain letter 01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:26.579 agreement dated December 29 2000 by in between the city of 01:23:26.579 --> 01:23:27.680 Denton and when 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:31.920 Jackson Lakes Development LP as a successor in interest in 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:32.760 providing 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:36.640 severability and an effective date 01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:41.250 yeah I'm not sure whether you want me to give a 01:23:41.250 --> 01:23:43.600 presentation or answer questions 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:53.189 so I'll leave that up to you okay quite some time ago 01:23:53.189 --> 01:23:54.880 probably about 16 years 01:23:54.880 --> 01:24:01.600 ago there was a freshwater supply district created the far 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:03.079 southwest side 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:10.039 of the city of Denton it straddled the Denton ETJ strip 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:11.119 annex that kind of 01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:15.640 defined our boundary with Argyle and straddled in Dargile 01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:17.199 they had used a 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:24.079 provision in state law known as annexation so it was an 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:26.319 annexed freshwater 01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:31.420 supply district city of Denton never provided the approval 01:24:31.420 --> 01:24:32.800 for that so they 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:37.960 filed lawsuit against the freshwater supply district to 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:39.920 challenge that that 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:43.220 resulted in a settlement agreement in that settlement 01:24:43.220 --> 01:24:44.560 agreement there were 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:48.989 provisions made for zoning and there were provisions made 01:24:48.989 --> 01:24:50.600 for providing water 01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:54.100 and sewer extensions to serve that development there were 01:24:54.100 --> 01:24:55.279 certain financial 01:24:55.279 --> 01:25:00.189 obligations that the development had to make payment and in 01:25:00.189 --> 01:25:02.439 that there were some 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:07.710 surcharges to the impact fees that created income to help 01:25:07.710 --> 01:25:08.680 pay for those 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:13.520 water and sewer lines or proportion of them during that 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.680 time they had to file a 01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:20.220 letter of credit which was their financial guarantee that 01:25:20.220 --> 01:25:20.800 they'd make 01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:26.680 payment each year during the course of the project some of 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:27.600 the momentum on it 01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:32.109 stalled for a variety of reasons and so then they sold the 01:25:32.109 --> 01:25:33.640 property when they 01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:37.699 sold the property they sold it to Bloomberg Homes as one of 01:25:37.699 --> 01:25:38.640 the larger 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:45.000 purchasers the city then required surrendered the letter of 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.520 credit from 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:51.670 the seller and required it of the buyer that buyer then you 01:25:51.670 --> 01:25:53.359 know fulfilled those 01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:58.670 obligations through the remainder of the bond period once 01:25:58.670 --> 01:25:59.920 the bond period was 01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:04.399 done the city no longer needed to maintain the letter of 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:06.439 credit since the 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:10.750 letter of credit was transferred to the new owner by 01:26:10.750 --> 01:26:12.800 ordinance legal wanted us 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:18.369 to go through a ordinance to release it the original terms 01:26:18.369 --> 01:26:20.279 of the agreement also 01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:25.460 called for a refunding of the bond selling costs which is 01:26:25.460 --> 01:26:26.760 usually your 01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:32.270 payment guarantee through the course of the bonds which was 01:26:32.270 --> 01:26:33.920 agreed to in that 01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:37.920 letter agreement from 2000 plus the interest costs so we'll 01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:39.119 also be 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:44.689 refunding that as well but we do need to make sure that we 01:26:44.689 --> 01:26:45.880 give that to the right 01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:51.640 parties or party rather because the legal obligations and 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:53.159 the benefits ran 01:26:53.159 --> 01:27:01.399 with the properties that that help so it's it's the the 01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:02.920 closure of a pretty 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:09.199 long effort that we've had to contend with as a result of 01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:10.960 that this is the 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:16.720 this is the closure of the financial responsibilities yes 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:18.159 and refunding those 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:25.000 pieces we still have probably about 30% of the development 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.439 still remains under 01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:32.010 the new owners but they seem to have some new momentum and 01:27:32.010 --> 01:27:33.359 we look for that 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:38.239 project to continue okay thank you so much and also I'm 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:39.159 impressed that you 01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:41.800 seem to do that without no without notes I guess you you 01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:44.239 looked at so I was I 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:48.760 didn't negotiate the arrangement but I knew the parties 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:51.840 yeah and I was probably 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:55.880 responsible for quite some time implementing it so yeah 01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:56.840 yeah well thanks 01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:01.220 I just you know it was it was it was so complicated and so 01:28:01.220 --> 01:28:02.760 but but what you said 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:05.520 confirmed for me you know my own understanding of it and 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:06.319 you also filled 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:10.060 in some of the history so that that was primarily why I 01:28:10.060 --> 01:28:11.439 asked I just want to 01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.699 make sure I understood exactly what that was what what what 01:28:15.699 --> 01:28:17.460 had happened and to 01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:21.569 just confirm that this is the final chapter of that that 01:28:21.569 --> 01:28:23.600 saga so thank you 01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:29.529 any other questions questions from Tim no thank you thank 01:28:29.529 --> 01:28:31.479 you okay do we have a 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:36.720 motion on item D I move have a motion to approve is there a 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:38.840 second and a second 01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:45.640 from Brendan any discussion all in favor say aye aye any 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:48.199 opposed same sign motion 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:58.199 carries okay next item we have is the public utility board 01:28:58.199 --> 01:28:59.960 meeting minutes for 01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:06.210 March 26 2018 these have been distributed in advance for 01:29:06.210 --> 01:29:06.439 their any 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:14.119 questions changes comments to those hearing none is there a 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:15.279 motion to approve 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:23.560 those is presented then to approve okay second second and a 01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:26.159 second discussion 01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:32.680 all in favor say aye any opposed same sign minutes are 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:34.439 approved next we have 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:38.680 the ACM update good morning mr. chairman and members of the 01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:40.880 board in your in your 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:44.300 packet you'll have your future agenda items for the for 01:29:44.300 --> 01:29:45.760 upcoming pub meetings 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:50.859 excuse me if you see at your second meeting in April you'll 01:29:50.859 --> 01:29:51.399 have some power 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:54.970 supply items and then as we move forward into latter part 01:29:54.970 --> 01:29:56.279 early part of May you 01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:59.289 will be starting the some of the budget conversations on C 01:29:59.289 --> 01:30:00.239 IP with water and 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:04.029 wastewater so we'll be getting into the budget season so a 01:30:04.029 --> 01:30:04.640 lot of more 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:08.199 conversations about about the operating budgets and capital 01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:09.359 project budgets of 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:14.060 those other various utilities so stay tuned more to come so 01:30:14.060 --> 01:30:15.399 that's all I have 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:18.369 on the future agenda design future agenda items on the new 01:30:18.369 --> 01:30:19.239 business matrix 01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:22.159 some of the things that were listed still for outstanding 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:22.960 on outstanding 01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:25.960 issues are to be discussed during the budget process I did 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:27.279 hear over the course 01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:30.800 of today's meeting some additional information at the board 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:31.520 requested on the 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:34.600 landfill entrance the road the cost and some of the 01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:35.479 decision factors that were 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:40.439 made there and also a work session on the DME capital 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:42.760 improvement programs so 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:48.329 and the FERC report and actually can can can I can we 01:30:48.329 --> 01:30:52.399 expand that and and because 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:59.000 what we're seeing changes in solid waste as well I don't 01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:00.359 know if there's projects 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:05.090 there that have been delayed or changed or modified 01:31:05.090 --> 01:31:07.840 significantly I don't know 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.810 that wastewater or water has I don't think we've seen that 01:31:11.810 --> 01:31:13.039 kind of stuff come 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:18.479 at us and some time ago we were presented with and I think 01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:19.319 it was you 01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:23.090 that gave it to us it showed all the projects and there was 01:31:23.090 --> 01:31:25.279 a timeline had 01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:29.279 some colored lines showing us maybe the project inception 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:30.800 and maybe how far along 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:34.970 they were and if we could get if we could get something 01:31:34.970 --> 01:31:35.720 like that that shows 01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:39.810 us you know when when we finalize these projects when we 01:31:39.810 --> 01:31:41.159 thought they would be 01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:45.510 complete where we what percentage completion we are now and 01:31:45.510 --> 01:31:46.359 when we think 01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:48.960 we're good they're actually going to be complete and the 01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:50.920 dollar amount associated 01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:53.569 with what we're gonna have to pay because it took us so 01:31:53.569 --> 01:31:54.319 long to complete 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:58.720 to get them going I think that information will help me a 01:31:58.720 --> 01:31:59.920 lot is that 01:31:59.920 --> 01:32:05.239 strictly to DME projects or is that everything well I mean 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:06.840 the things that I've 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:09.810 been uncomfortable with have been DME projects and solid 01:32:09.810 --> 01:32:13.880 waste stuff so and 01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:17.520 more information which is you know 01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:31.359 all right concluding items I think we just covered but are 01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:31.880 there any other 01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:37.510 yes yeah yeah I would I would add to that so I second that 01:32:37.510 --> 01:32:38.159 and I would like 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:43.340 to see you know even though we've we've seen mostly no DME 01:32:43.340 --> 01:32:45.640 and solid waste I'd 01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:50.449 like to know from water you know a presentation at some 01:32:50.449 --> 01:32:51.520 point and maybe this 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:54.560 is just already going to be part of the budget discussion 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:55.720 but about what their 01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:59.859 needs are because I know that there are needs in water you 01:32:59.859 --> 01:33:01.399 know to keep up with 01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:08.659 the growth and I want to know what what what those needs 01:33:08.659 --> 01:33:10.640 are and what the what 01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:16.750 the timeline is how pressing those needs are okay can we 01:33:16.750 --> 01:33:17.920 that'll be will that be 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:25.000 part of the CIP discussion on on the in the budget process 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:27.920 so we'll look at five 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:35.970 years at least five five years great good and I had there 01:33:35.970 --> 01:33:37.119 was one other thing 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:41.250 that I wanted to ask I guess for a staff report on a staff 01:33:41.250 --> 01:33:42.840 report should probably 01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:48.000 suffice and this was a question that I had it was has been 01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:49.119 partly answered I 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:53.560 mean it says about about sponsorship procedure and there is 01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:54.399 recently so 01:33:54.399 --> 01:34:00.649 there's a so DME has a host table at a upcoming charity g 01:34:00.649 --> 01:34:04.359 ala and and I just 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.970 found this out last week and they're gonna be some council 01:34:06.970 --> 01:34:07.920 people going and 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:14.899 and PUB was invited to attend and I had I had requested I 01:34:14.899 --> 01:34:16.199 had asked if I could 01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:19.539 um pay my own way and I just found out I was able to pay my 01:34:19.539 --> 01:34:21.520 own way so that it 01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:25.260 so that it wouldn't be coming you know at least from my 01:34:25.260 --> 01:34:26.640 part from from public 01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:31.430 money um but I wanted to know because it mentioned in the 01:34:31.430 --> 01:34:32.399 email that it was a 01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:38.060 decision that came from that the the call to to sponsor 01:34:38.060 --> 01:34:40.039 that that table at 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:44.289 the charity gala came from the city manager's office and so 01:34:44.289 --> 01:34:45.680 I wanted to know 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:52.260 you know what the what the procedure was if if that ever 01:34:52.260 --> 01:34:53.640 went to you know maybe 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.239 that's something that went to PUB or council in the past 01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:57.279 before I got on board 01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:05.199 PUB and and then whether that is coming from from rate 01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:08.039 payers funds from from 01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:11.960 DME funds or if it's coming from taxpayer money and you 01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:13.119 know in some other 01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:17.689 capacity so I'm really just curious you know kind of what 01:35:17.689 --> 01:35:19.619 how that decision came 01:35:19.619 --> 01:35:25.760 to be made and then what the protocol is for that we'll be 01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:26.880 glad to get you the 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:30.079 staff report on that that's consistent with the sponsorship 01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:31.399 policy that we had 01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:34.369 brought forward to the PUB and the City Council a couple of 01:35:34.369 --> 01:35:35.520 months ago I did 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.300 want also mentioned to you that the council's asked us to 01:35:38.300 --> 01:35:39.180 have a different 01:35:39.180 --> 01:35:41.979 process or consider a different process for sponsorships 01:35:41.979 --> 01:35:43.039 and approving those 01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:46.010 looking at using the hotel occupancy tax committee which is 01:35:46.010 --> 01:35:46.680 made up of three 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:49.340 council members to bring those requests through and then 01:35:49.340 --> 01:35:50.439 make recommendations 01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:53.090 back to the council so more to come on that but we'll be 01:35:53.090 --> 01:35:54.039 happy to get you a 01:35:54.039 --> 01:36:01.130 more detailed report on it is that part of that policy I 01:36:01.130 --> 01:36:02.560 believe was was it a 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:05.840 quarterly report we were gonna get that's right on all the 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:06.479 sponsorships 01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:09.449 that's right we'll do that and then of course during the 01:36:09.449 --> 01:36:10.640 budget process all of 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:17.600 the all of those are listed in the in the budget process 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:19.359 when we do that okay 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:28.890 very good all right any any other concluding items hearing 01:36:28.890 --> 01:36:29.399 none is there a 01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:35.760 motion to adjourn motion adjourned and a second second from 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:37.159 Lillia all in favor 01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:44.359 say aye aye any opposed thank you