WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.540 We'll go ahead and call the February 26, 2018 public 00:00:04.540 --> 00:00:07.200 utility board meeting to order. 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:16.609 We have no work session tonight, so we'll go right into the 00:00:16.609 --> 00:00:17.839 regular meeting. 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.640 And we have three items on the consent agenda. 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.190 So I'd ask if any member would like to pull any of these 00:00:28.190 --> 00:00:31.120 items for individual consideration. 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:37.500 Yes, I'd like to pull, I think it's A and C. My iPad is 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:38.719 having difficulty. 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:39.219 Okay. 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:41.280 But the two on the sponsorship. 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:42.320 Sponsorships, okay. 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:51.359 All right, so item A and C, anything else? 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:54.640 Anybody like C pull? 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:02.119 If not, then is we have a motion to approve consent agenda 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:03.439 item B. 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:06.420 So moves. 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:08.319 Second. 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:09.599 We have a motion and a second. 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:10.400 Any discussion? 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:12.959 All in favor say aye. 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:13.519 Aye. 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:14.239 Any opposed? 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:16.019 Thank you. 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.739 Okay, item A, which is to consider recommending adoption of 00:01:21.739 --> 00:01:22.239 an ordinance. 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.310 Of the city of Denton authorizing an agreement between the 00:01:25.310 --> 00:01:27.760 city of Denton and keep Denton beautiful. 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:35.340 For I guess this is their annual sponsorship budget of $11, 00:01:35.340 --> 00:01:37.040 500. 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.079 Presentation or do you just want to ask questions? 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:48.709 Well, my main question was if somebody on staff could just 00:01:48.709 --> 00:01:49.599 go over 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:58.590 what the new guidelines are about sponsorships and how each 00:01:58.590 --> 00:02:02.400 component of this request 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:04.819 complies with the new guidelines because there were a 00:02:04.819 --> 00:02:05.519 number of them. 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.039 There is the keep Denton beautiful and the mural. 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.960 So I was just wondering if we could kind of be just walk 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:16.719 through each item. 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.080 Yeah, and how it and how it complies to the new. 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:23.520 Then the new guidelines. 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:23.840 Thanks. 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.039 I'll ask Deputy Manager Langley if he would address that 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:29.599 since he was 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.930 instrumental in crafting that policy and I think he can 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:34.719 answer any of those questions. 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.409 I have to bring my laptop up here so I can go through some 00:02:38.409 --> 00:02:39.840 of this with you. 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:46.300 We tried to craft a sponsorship policy so that they could 00:02:46.300 --> 00:02:48.560 be considered for tax exempt entities. 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:52.400 They would not be organizations that did not discriminate 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.639 on the base of race, color, religion, 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.080 several other categories. 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.759 They would further a charitable cause or public interest. 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.280 And they would be required to recognize the city and or DME 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.039 in any kind of advertising or any kind of materials that 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:08.479 they had. 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:10.789 So those are really the qualifications that we put together 00:03:10.789 --> 00:03:10.960 . 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.849 We'd also put a stipulation that if anything more than $2, 00:03:14.849 --> 00:03:15.439 500, 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.610 that those would come back and there would be an approval 00:03:18.610 --> 00:03:21.120 process for both the PUB and City Council. 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:23.840 And then we'd have a quarterly reporting mechanism back to 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:24.879 the board and the council 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.719 of any sponsorships in addition to those that were made as 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:28.000 well. 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.360 So hopefully that is that the information you need. 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:31.680 Okay. 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:38.639 Yeah, I noticed on the on the agenda information sheet that 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.650 the related key focus area was safe, livable and family 00:03:43.650 --> 00:03:44.879 friendly community. 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:48.400 Is that kind of the arching? 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.199 I think that's the tie is that it's related to the public 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.520 interest is to make the city a better 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:57.520 place to beautify the city. 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.080 And we've got a long standing relationship supporting KDB 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:00.800 in those efforts. 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.439 And so that would be the public interest that we would see. 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:05.520 And that's really for your consideration. 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:06.020 Okay. 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.400 Yeah, for some reason, I was under the impression 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:16.829 that the KDB was going to be sponsored by Solid Waste in 00:04:16.829 --> 00:04:17.600 the future. 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:26.079 But it's so is it both DME and Solid Waste because I can I 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:26.240 mean, 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.000 I think it's a terrific program. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.589 And for me, they tie in with Solid Waste and the Recycling 00:04:33.589 --> 00:04:35.439 Ditto for the Great American Cleanup, 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.319 which is a wonderful effort. 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.600 I can see more the connection to Solid Waste. 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.000 I was wondering about that. 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:51.120 Yeah, I know that we do have a sponsorship from DME. 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.040 The Solid Waste Department has some employees that do a lot 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.360 of work on KDB that's already 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:58.240 part of their budget. 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:01.120 So I don't know if Solid Waste is planning an additional 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:01.759 sponsorship 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:03.439 or any kind of in kind support for that. 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.470 But we already provide those employees a cost for those 00:05:06.470 --> 00:05:08.720 employees in the Solid Waste budget. 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.319 But this is specifically for DME. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.120 We can look at that and be sure to bring that back if that 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:14.000 's the case. 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:20.009 And in the mural, so what's the tie in with the mural 00:05:20.009 --> 00:05:23.279 effort to the environmental 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:27.360 leaning of the other items? 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:29.839 I'm not sure I understand your question. 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.449 Oh, that was so one of the one of the elements was it was K 00:05:33.449 --> 00:05:35.759 DB, Great American Cleanup. 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.279 I'm sorry, my for the for the different. 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.040 I was having some problems turning on. 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.639 But one of them was, yeah, the art. 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.079 Yeah, the mural art initiative. 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:47.600 To me, Redbud, that was another one Redbud Festival. 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.550 You know, to me, it seemed that that might be something 00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:52.240 that maybe might be more appropriate 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:57.360 coming out of the the arts grants. 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.160 I was just I was just wondering. 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.360 Apparently, we didn't decide to require that 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:10.410 the new that the sponsorships have some specific tie in to 00:06:10.410 --> 00:06:13.839 to DME if they are electricity, 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:17.730 they're coming from DME or to solid waste recycling and 00:06:17.730 --> 00:06:19.279 cleanup if they're coming from 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:20.480 solid waste. 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.720 Well, it doesn't necessarily have a tie to electricity. 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.240 I think the the point of this discussion have been that DME 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:27.759 had routinely bought 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:29.120 tables. 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.029 They had sponsored different events which further the cause 00:06:32.029 --> 00:06:33.120 of that organization. 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.100 And I think the listing the listing of the the different 00:06:36.100 --> 00:06:37.759 events that you have here 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.139 includes that mural art initiative that they would be a 00:06:40.139 --> 00:06:41.199 sponsor of that event for 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.160 a thousand dollars, excuse me, fifteen hundred dollars for 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:45.120 that event. 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.699 So it's there's not necessarily a tie to electricity, but 00:06:48.699 --> 00:06:50.079 more of a broader policy 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:51.439 to the overall city. 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.240 That's been the tie that we've been looking for. 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.269 There's other events that DME is also sponsored outside of 00:06:59.269 --> 00:07:01.040 KDB, which are also more general in 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.649 nature for just the good of the community, a public 00:07:03.649 --> 00:07:05.519 interest event, those kinds of things. 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:06.160 Okay. 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:07.199 So beyond KDB. 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:07.680 Yeah. 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:11.430 And is there any possibility that in the future, you know, 00:07:11.430 --> 00:07:13.360 I'm not so clear about the 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.430 arts budget for the art committee, but that the mural 00:07:16.430 --> 00:07:18.000 project seems to me that would be 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:22.319 something more appropriate coming out of the arts budget. 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.199 Well, the the arts budget, there's really two funding 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:27.680 sources for that. 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.709 One is hot funds, and those typically have been for a 00:07:31.709 --> 00:07:33.600 particular projects that the public 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.199 art committee has recommended. 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:38.379 And the other is for bond funds related to the propositions 00:07:38.379 --> 00:07:39.759 that were approved by the 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:40.560 voters. 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.040 So there's really not any funds specifically for this. 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:45.839 I think that's why it was proposed here. 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:48.560 Okay. 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:49.040 Thank you. 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:50.000 Hopefully that helps. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:50.319 Yes. 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:50.720 Thank you. 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:53.939 Okay. 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:55.439 Any other questions? 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:01.339 I know the and we probably will get in this in the budget 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:03.279 later in the next couple of 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:03.680 months. 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:10.689 But we when KDB was became a part of the solid waste 00:08:10.689 --> 00:08:12.079 umbrella. 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.910 Yes, there was a there was a good report on basically how 00:08:17.910 --> 00:08:20.959 how the funds that go to KDB 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:27.620 are leveraged with private donations. And, you know, 00:08:27.620 --> 00:08:30.079 basically, I don't know, we're 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:31.759 looking at $11,500. 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.100 But you know, they're they're raising a lot more money than 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:36.720 that on the private side as 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:37.120 well. 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.720 So but again, we can get get into that in budget. 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.549 We can well, we can certainly bring some information back 00:08:45.549 --> 00:08:46.879 to the board and provide some 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.179 other information on KDB a little bit more information 00:08:49.179 --> 00:08:50.559 about that particular initiative. 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:52.159 We can certainly do that. 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.840 Perhaps the history of that was transferred over to solid 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:55.360 waste. 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:56.399 That's been a few years ago. 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.840 Yeah, it's been a while. 00:08:58.799 --> 00:08:59.120 Yeah. 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:06.169 And I'd like to know if it would be possible to sustain KDB 00:09:06.169 --> 00:09:10.000 through through either solid 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:16.000 waste or through the general fund as opposed to DME. 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:22.120 Well, I want to make sure we're clear the KDB function is 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.000 being paid for through solid 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:24.399 waste. 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.070 The staff that I was mentioning to you before that that's 00:09:27.070 --> 00:09:28.960 currently being done that was 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.159 shifted as as Mr. Robinson is referring to back from the 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.000 general fund several years ago 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:34.879 to solid waste. 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.639 I don't recall it's been several years. 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.659 So this is just for the sponsorship of the KDB some KDB 00:09:41.659 --> 00:09:43.279 events by DME. 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.200 So it's not the overall KDB program. 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:45.600 Yes. 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:46.720 So I want to make sure that's clear. 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:47.200 Yes. 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:47.919 Yeah. 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:48.159 Yeah. 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:49.279 So sorry. 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:52.600 So I should have said if these sponsorships in addition to 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.159 the other funding. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:55.600 Okay. 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.360 So this $11,500 is not a sustaining contribution. 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:01.120 That's right. 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:01.919 These are one time. 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.919 Depending on this $11,500 to maintain their operation. 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:07.679 That's right. 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:08.080 Yes. 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:08.399 Yeah. 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:08.899 Okay. 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:11.039 Okay. 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:11.440 Okay. 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.039 I'll be glad to bring that back for you. 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:13.440 All right. 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.240 Any other questions from Brian? 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:16.720 All right. 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:17.200 Thank you. 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:17.700 Thank you. 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.320 Do we have a motion on item A then? 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.519 Have a motion to approve. 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:28.000 Okay. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:28.399 Thank you. 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:29.759 Is there a second? 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:31.039 Second. 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:32.320 And a second. 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:33.440 Any further discussion? 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:35.279 All in favor. 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:36.320 I'm sorry. 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:36.879 Go ahead. 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:38.159 I don't pull the trigger too quick. 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:41.200 All in favor say aye. 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:42.320 Aye. 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:43.039 Any opposed? 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:43.919 Nay. 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:44.879 Okay. 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.720 Item A passes. 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:53.980 Item B, which is to consider recommending adoption of an 00:10:53.980 --> 00:10:55.200 ordinance. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.389 The city didn't authorizing an agreement between the city 00:10:58.389 --> 00:10:59.120 of Denton, 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:04.000 Texas and Texas Filmmakers Corporation for the sponsorship 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.159 of the thin line festival 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.360 providing for the expenditure of funds. 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:11.679 Therefore, and providing an effective date for an amount of 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:15.440 $5,000. 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:17.379 Okay. 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:26.120 And my question or concern about this was along similar 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:27.600 lines. 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:32.639 I also, I think thin line is a terrific, terrific event. 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.600 And I'm proud that the city sponsors it. 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:43.690 It's not quite clear to me the tie in with, with DME or why 00:11:43.690 --> 00:11:44.320 DME 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:49.360 would need to advertise it at this event since we, since D 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.759 ME doesn't have competition 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:58.159 and it's not to me clearly an environmental focus or about, 00:11:58.159 --> 00:11:59.919 about electricity per se. 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.450 So I would also like to see the possible, let's see staff 00:12:05.450 --> 00:12:09.440 look into maybe not for PUB 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.649 since this is kind of going outside of PUB, but the 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:17.440 possibility of funding thin line sponsorships, 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.519 a thin line sponsorship through the general fund or through 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:22.480 the arts fund. 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.870 To me, that seems to me it to be a more appropriate use of 00:12:26.870 --> 00:12:28.399 DME funds when again, 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:32.159 like I said, when we have no competition and when we have 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.120 so many customers having difficulty 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.279 paying their bills, including people having their power 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:40.000 turned off, 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.080 things like this are really important for this city. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:49.360 But so I would just love to see these continue to be funded 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.000 , but not necessarily through DME. 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.759 So that's why I'm going to be voting no for this. 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.000 Again, it's not because I don't support thin line. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.200 It's a terrific program. 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.240 Okay. Any other comments? 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:06.320 Well, I have a question for Brian. 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.240 Wasn't part of the reason we were doing this is to be 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.440 similar to what other utilities do also. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:18.330 So it's, it's not really, it's to have kind of a corporate 00:13:18.330 --> 00:13:19.039 sponsorship. 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.120 That's right. 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.559 That was really part of the discussion. 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:24.850 If you recall, we had a couple of different work session 00:13:24.850 --> 00:13:27.519 items on this particular topic where we, 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.990 that was the very question we asked the board and then the 00:13:29.990 --> 00:13:32.080 city council has given all of the factors 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.399 what had been done in prior years with DME, kind of what's 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.879 happens in a lot of private utilities. 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.200 Did you want to do the sponsorship from DME? 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:46.399 And the consensus from the board and the council was yes, 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:47.600 that you did want to do that. 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.559 And I've included a copy of that resolution in your backup. 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:52.240 So that was kind of part of that conversation. 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:53.519 Yeah. I just want to. 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:54.240 Yes, ma'am. 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:55.039 Thank you. 00:13:55.039 --> 00:14:00.559 Yeah. I kind of, I mean, I know sometimes you have to 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:06.779 you know, what, what makes the community better through 00:14:06.779 --> 00:14:08.240 these events 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.320 is a benefit for everybody, including DME. 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:16.860 And I, you may not be able to tie it to, you can't put a 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:19.759 meter on it like we normally do, but 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.399 you know, it makes, it makes a more vibrant community, 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.360 which, which I think as a community 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.850 grows and is more vibrant, I think that's a benefit to DME 00:14:30.850 --> 00:14:32.720 and that money comes back. 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:38.460 It's, it's an investment much like, you know, any kind of a 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:40.799 corporate sponsorship would be just 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.879 it's more, you know, not a dollar. 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.159 It's something that you can't just say, okay, I'm, I'm 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:53.120 going to make this investment. 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.919 I'm going to get 10% return on it. 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.570 It's, it's a, it's a more of a strategic investment, I 00:15:01.570 --> 00:15:04.000 think, these types of things. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:05.600 And so that's my philosophy on it. 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.090 I'd hate for anybody to think that people who vote to 00:15:13.090 --> 00:15:16.240 approve these funds are unconcerned 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.210 that there are citizens or rate payers that are having 00:15:19.210 --> 00:15:21.200 difficulty paying their rates. 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:25.759 I think that is evidenced by the changes we made to some of 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:27.840 those options for low income 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.169 and the amount of money, I believe that we put into that 00:15:31.169 --> 00:15:31.600 kitty. 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.159 And I think we changed some of the policies about how many 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:35.840 times you can ask for that money 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:37.840 as well. So I think, you know, 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.159 well, I think I said what I meant. 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:48.080 All right. Okay. So is there a motion then on item C? 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.289 I'll move approval. Oh, second motion and a second 00:15:53.289 --> 00:15:55.200 discussion. 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:01.679 All in favor say aye. Any opposed? 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:02.179 Nay. 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.120 Okay. Item C carries. 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:16.000 Next item we have is the minutes of the February 12th, 2018 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:18.960 public utility board meeting. 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.299 These have been distributed in advance. Anybody have any 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:29.759 questions, comments, changes on these? 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.639 No? Somebody want to make a motion to approve them or 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.080 should we approve them by acclamation? 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:41.759 It's usually by affirmation. 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:42.259 Yeah. Okay. 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:43.600 I think by affirmations. 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:47.190 All right. So those will stand approved as submitted by acc 00:16:47.190 --> 00:16:47.840 lamation. 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.899 Item B is consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of 00:16:51.899 --> 00:16:53.279 the city of Denton. 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.670 Okay. Read through this. Rejecting all bids received under 00:17:04.670 --> 00:17:08.640 IFB 6621, which is purchase of 138 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:14.410 kilovolt circuit breakers and maintenance parts and author 00:17:14.410 --> 00:17:17.680 izing the city manager or his designee the 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.420 authority to enter into a contract with the lower Colorado 00:17:20.420 --> 00:17:23.119 River authority through an interlocal 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.450 cooperative purchasing program participation agreement purs 00:17:27.450 --> 00:17:30.400 uant to section 271.102 of the 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.180 Texas local government code for the purchase of high 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:35.680 voltage circuit breakers for Denton Municipal 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.309 Electric providing for the expenditure of funds therefore 00:17:39.309 --> 00:17:41.359 and providing an effective date 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:50.569 to enter into this agreement, this participation to 00:17:50.569 --> 00:17:52.319 purchase this equipment 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.420 in the amount not to exceed two million two hundred 00:17:55.420 --> 00:17:56.400 thousand dollars. 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.720 It was the first time I read it. It was easy. 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.720 Okay. 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:23.480 Please. Those are I hope we have some bigger ones in those 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:24.880 for 2.2 million dollars. 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.559 See if I can relieve your mind a little bit. 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:29.359 All right. 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.240 I'm Chuck Sears, the transmission engineering manager. 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:37.589 I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to tell you about 00:18:37.589 --> 00:18:39.279 some of the equipment that we use 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:43.490 and hopefully remove a little bit of the mystery that might 00:18:43.490 --> 00:18:46.720 surround it. I know I've been told 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.299 sometimes that electricity uses a lot of black boxes and so 00:18:50.299 --> 00:18:52.160 you put them out there and they do 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:57.059 something. Let's try to let you understand what what this 00:18:57.059 --> 00:18:59.759 one does a little bit. What I put on 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.079 the table here something that probably all of you have seen 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.680 . Those are circuit breakers that go in 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:13.390 a panel in either a commercial building or your home. They 00:19:13.390 --> 00:19:17.279 operate to open electric circuits in 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.519 the case of some problem. In the case of those specifically 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:23.920 they operate when the current gets 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.950 above a certain level such as when your vacuum cleaner 00:19:26.950 --> 00:19:29.039 shorts out or you go to plug it in as I 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.660 did when I was a kid. A little fire would come out of the 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:35.200 plug and it would scare you half to death 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:40.099 but the circuit breaker would stop that and that's exactly 00:19:40.099 --> 00:19:42.000 what the circuit breakers that we use on 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.680 the power system do. We have a little more sophisticated 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:47.920 controls. It takes more equipment 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.549 to do it but it does exactly the same thing that those two 00:19:50.549 --> 00:19:54.160 things sitting on the oh I'm sorry. 00:19:57.920 --> 00:19:59.759 There you go. A little prettier picture. 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.220 Okay and all three of these pictures are 138 kV circuit 00:20:05.220 --> 00:20:06.160 breakers. 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.710 They are circuit breakers that DME has on its system at 00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:11.599 this time. 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.799 Two of them are in the new Jim Crystal substation and one 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.000 in the center is the ARCO substation. 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:30.069 And the only difference other than size and these and the 00:20:30.069 --> 00:20:31.519 ones that are put on the table is the 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:35.019 number of poles or the number of actual single pole circuit 00:20:35.019 --> 00:20:36.960 breakers that has in it. These have 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:41.640 two each. The ones in the picture has three. And stop me 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.319 any time if you got questions. 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.779 Okay I've already told you the basic purpose of what they 00:20:49.779 --> 00:20:53.519 do and unlike a fuse they can be 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.119 repeated. The fuse blows one time and you have to go out 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.519 and replace it. We have fuses on power 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:02.509 systems and we have to go replace them just like you do and 00:21:02.509 --> 00:21:04.319 some equipment in your house. 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.690 If you look at this drawing to the right of the picture you 00:21:08.690 --> 00:21:10.720 'll see these little squares with an 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.930 X in them. That's where the circuit breakers are in that 00:21:14.930 --> 00:21:18.640 station. That happens to be the ARCO substation. 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.359 We have 11 of those in that station and without circuit 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:26.319 breakers we have no mechanism to stop the 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:31.789 flow of current. Now just like your car has inertia you can 00:21:31.789 --> 00:21:35.759 't use a switch to stop the flow of current. 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.279 You've got to have something that's designed specifically 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.119 to stop a high level of inertia 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:47.839 in the electrical system. And so they get pretty large and 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.079 more expensive. But without those 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.839 if you had a fault or a short circuit out on the system 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.519 there would be nothing there to stop it 00:21:55.519 --> 00:22:07.289 until it something burned apart. Now we have 94, 138 kv 00:22:07.289 --> 00:22:10.240 circuit breakers in service on our system 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:14.059 at this time. If you looked in your backup there's we've 00:22:14.059 --> 00:22:16.400 got three that aren't in service that are 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:19.619 off that can serve as spares or whatever. 86 of these are 00:22:19.619 --> 00:22:21.680 the type of breaker that we're proposing 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:26.539 to purchase right here. The advantage of that is that if we 00:22:26.539 --> 00:22:29.200 have to replace one in the field 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:33.819 it's an exact fit. Retrofit's fairly easy from a 00:22:33.819 --> 00:22:39.119 maintenance standpoint it's when they're the same 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:42.289 they're easy to work on and we have a common parts 00:22:42.289 --> 00:22:45.599 inventory. So since the majority of ours are that 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:48.960 it's fortunate that we're having the opportunity to buy 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:49.759 these again. 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:54.140 We hope. If you have some questions about the construction 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:55.759 there's different parts on them I'll 00:22:55.759 --> 00:23:00.089 be happy to talk about those. If you like gives you a 00:23:00.089 --> 00:23:03.119 little bit of it. The two key things 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.119 on the ratings on a circuit breaker are how much current it 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.640 's rated to carry all the time. In the 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.740 case of the ones we're purchasing that's 3,000 amps and how 00:23:14.740 --> 00:23:17.119 much of the fault current can it stop. 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.259 And we have two different ratings we're proposing to 00:23:21.259 --> 00:23:24.880 include in our contract and that's 40,000 amp 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:28.940 and 63,000 amp. Those are standard ratings in the circuit 00:23:28.940 --> 00:23:30.000 breaker industry. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.190 Nothing special about that other than what the company 00:23:36.190 --> 00:23:37.599 offers normally. 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:46.579 And our recommendation is that you approve the contract for 00:23:46.579 --> 00:23:48.480 2.2 million. 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.019 And it's a blanket purchase agreement it does not require 00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:57.519 us to purchase any number we could 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.880 purchase zero obviously we have the intent of purchasing 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.039 some but we're not required to spend 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.180 the full amount of money unless it's needed. And with that 00:24:07.180 --> 00:24:09.680 I'll take any questions you've got. 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:17.099 I'm confused. I thought we were going to purchase it from 00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:19.200 the lower Colorado River Authority. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.599 It's actually purchasing from Siemens off of and in 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.039 accordance with the agreement that they have 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:28.900 with the lower Colorado River Authority. Okay okay and so 00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:31.200 and I think the last statement in 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.890 the caption mentioned Siemens Industries as the recipient 00:24:34.890 --> 00:24:39.839 of the contract. Okay so on the pricing 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:44.869 tabulation sheet I guess we're the it looks like the 00:24:44.869 --> 00:24:48.160 circuit breaker prices that we're getting are 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.930 these on the first column from Siemens. There are some 00:24:52.930 --> 00:24:56.480 other items listed the maintenance parts 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:01.990 and those don't appear on the projected circuit breaker 00:25:01.990 --> 00:25:06.799 needs. Because it's repair parts we 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.099 purchase them at need and they're generally available 00:25:09.099 --> 00:25:10.319 within just a couple of weeks. 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.779 And we do keep some of some things on hand. They're 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.279 generally smaller pieces. Circuit 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:24.160 breakers are such that if the major components in it fail 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.839 such as what's called the 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:29.400 interruptor the part that actually stops the current inside 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.920 usually the device fails rather 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.299 catastrophically and you're not going to repair it you're 00:25:34.299 --> 00:25:40.160 going to replace it. So bushings the if 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.539 remember that picture that was the long skinny things with 00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:45.279 all the ribs on it that sometimes 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.839 can get chipped or broken and you need to replace that then 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:49.680 there's some little parts in the control 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.369 cabinet is mainly the only things that we usually keep and 00:25:53.369 --> 00:25:55.680 they're relatively low cost items. 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.690 Okay and part of this item is to reject some bids are these 00:25:59.690 --> 00:26:01.839 just these two other ones here the 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:06.380 Siemens and the APFL bomb. Yes sir. Okay okay thank you and 00:26:06.380 --> 00:26:08.960 the things on the Siemens bid is the same 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:17.089 as under the LCRA contract. Thank you. The and this is this 00:26:17.089 --> 00:26:22.079 is basically a is it is it two year 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.019 year and a half? Three year. Three year. It's actually a 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.720 one year contract I believe the way 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.279 they've been doing it and purchasing it in here to do it 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.119 but it's with three opportunity or two 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:36.069 opportunities to renew. Okay. Three year total length of 00:26:36.069 --> 00:26:41.440 time. Okay other questions? Okay go ahead 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:47.190 it's probably the same one. Well can can you say a little 00:26:47.190 --> 00:26:50.240 bit about how much of a difference there 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:54.450 is among the different kind of circuit breakers among the 00:26:54.450 --> 00:26:56.960 companies or is it you know if we took 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.500 this apart versus one by if we took apart circuit breaker 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:02.880 by made by Siemens versus one by one of 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.589 the competitors that bid higher would they look pretty much 00:27:06.589 --> 00:27:07.839 the same inside? 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.839 It's sort of let me answer it by giving sort of an analogy 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.559 you can buy a Ford or a Chevrolet on 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.349 the outside they look somewhat alike you know they got f 00:27:19.349 --> 00:27:21.680 enders and lights and windows and an engine 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.710 and they do the same thing but you don't put Ford parts in 00:27:25.710 --> 00:27:29.039 a Chevrolet it's that kind of a thing so 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.480 they look a lot the same they'll all have bushings that 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:33.519 stick up on them that you attach the 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.609 high voltage wires to they'll all have some sort of an 00:27:36.609 --> 00:27:39.200 operating mechanism and interruptors and 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.019 things like that they do exactly the same things but 00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:45.920 company A designed it one way and company B 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.109 designed it a different way and their parts are not 00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:51.920 interchangeable so you once you once you're 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.730 with Siemens you purchase Siemens parts just like a Ford or 00:27:54.730 --> 00:27:56.799 a Chevrolet you wouldn't go to a Chevrolet 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.869 dealer to buy Ford parts. What about is just kind of a 00:28:00.869 --> 00:28:04.960 follow-up question outside of the advertising 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.549 you know these companies sure they say ours is the best 00:28:07.549 --> 00:28:09.759 ours is the best you know for a Ford or 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.019 Chevrolet say one might you know particular model Ford 00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.200 might have be famous for having better 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.099 mileage and then this one is better than the you know crash 00:28:18.099 --> 00:28:20.160 tech work you know are those kind of 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.049 considerations considered or is it really when it comes to 00:28:24.049 --> 00:28:26.960 circuit breakers is it just a difference 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:32.150 in parts but not necessarily in kind and in equality? Right 00:28:32.150 --> 00:28:34.799 the circuit breakers are manufactured 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.960 according to a national standard in fact international 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.720 standards as well and so they have 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.890 to perform to a certain level. Like with anything else 00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:51.039 there are companies that we know of that 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.369 don't perform as well they tend to have more maintenance 00:28:55.369 --> 00:28:57.359 difficulties if you will 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.079 than others they don't tend to last as long and of course 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.519 the difference in 30 years and 20 years 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.910 is kind of hard to determine on a short-term basis but by 00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:12.799 and large they all do the same thing and 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.589 they do it in a similar fashion it's just the you know one 00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.480 of them has a curly queue here and a 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.460 piston over there and another one turns it around the other 00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:25.680 way and does the same thing with it 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:33.700 but in terms of quality most of them are going to perform 00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:37.680 pretty well. In terms of Siemens itself 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.839 I think maybe it's one of the better companies I've dealt 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.119 with in my roughly 30 something years 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:58.109 career have had nobody that's had any better luck in in the 00:29:58.109 --> 00:29:59.599 marketplace than they have 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.849 on the type product. Does that answer your question? Yes 00:30:04.849 --> 00:30:06.960 absolutely thank you so much thanks. 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.710 Okay I did have a different question. Why did we go ahead 00:30:12.710 --> 00:30:15.759 and go with a bid if we could have already 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.730 done this I mean because I do support you doing cooperative 00:30:18.730 --> 00:30:20.559 agreements it saves our materials 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.650 management folks from going through all of that work. Why 00:30:23.650 --> 00:30:27.440 did we go out for bids when we could have 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.329 just done this to begin with? I can't speak exactly for 00:30:31.329 --> 00:30:33.359 purchasing but I think I know what 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.910 their thoughts were it was is this the best arrangement we 00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:40.079 could get and so they chose to 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.400 go out for a bid. So it was kind of a check because we've 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.839 been doing this for a while so let's check 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.529 it out. Yeah I think he gave a very good answer we've 00:30:49.529 --> 00:30:51.920 actually had a few bids recently with 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.029 cooperatives who have come in higher and they've lowered 00:30:55.029 --> 00:30:56.960 their prices to meet other bids that we 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.869 received so he's exactly right. Okay that's a good reason. 00:31:00.869 --> 00:31:05.599 Thank you. Okay other questions? 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:13.519 Nope okay do we have a motion then on item b? 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:23.599 I move. I second. Okay was it? He second. Second? She moved 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.640 . Oh okay I'm hearing an echo or something. 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.490 We have a motion and second on the floor for item b. Is 00:31:31.490 --> 00:31:33.519 there further discussion? 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.529 All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Same sign. Okay 00:31:39.529 --> 00:31:44.799 thank you. Item b passes. Next we have our 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:49.690 ACM update. Good evening members of the board. Excuse me in 00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:52.160 your packet you have a copy of the 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.710 email that was sent by Mr. James Orenstein to me back in 00:31:56.710 --> 00:32:00.160 late January. You also have with that the 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.559 response from George Morrow in relation to Mr. Orenstein's 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.160 email. Unfortunately Mr. Morrow is out 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:10.309 today. He'll be back in the office tomorrow so I'm sure he 00:32:10.309 --> 00:32:13.279 'd be happy to answer any questions related 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:19.200 to his memo at the following board meeting which will be 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.599 March the 12th. But it's in your packet 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.309 certainly can pass any information on Mr. Morrow that you 00:32:27.309 --> 00:32:28.799 might want to see if there's any additional 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:33.990 follow-up on that. Okay and then in relation to future 00:32:33.990 --> 00:32:37.279 agenda items you have that in your packet 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.640 as well of upcoming things upcoming items that you'll see 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:42.319 for for the meeting in March. 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.549 And then lastly you'll have the new business matrix that 00:32:46.549 --> 00:32:49.039 shows all the outstanding items 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.049 that are still being worked on by staff. You should have a 00:32:54.049 --> 00:32:56.559 DME substation cost information 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.480 at one of the meetings in March and then the 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.480 leveraging for transparency of gas prices in April coming 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:05.920 up. 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.359 Okay questions on the upcoming agendas? 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.750 Yeah do you happen to know Mario if the substation item 00:33:19.750 --> 00:33:22.240 will be the first meeting in March 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.329 or the second one? 26. It'll be the second meeting in March 00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:30.640 . March 26th. 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.759 Okay that's all I have. 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.599 Okay all right. Completing items 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.660 if there's any member of the public utilities board that 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:53.920 would like to add something to the 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:58.619 future agendas or the matrix now is the time to do that. I 00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:04.720 'd like to get an update on our plans to 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:09.909 close Givens Creek if we could. You know just kind of an 00:34:09.909 --> 00:34:13.760 update. Yeah. I mean it's this year right? 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.989 Handful of months away maybe one in a little bit you know 00:34:17.989 --> 00:34:24.159 so. Okay. Yeah that'd be good because 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.739 as summer is approaching. Yeah and big brown close and 00:34:27.739 --> 00:34:30.400 another one close. There's been two or three 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.159 big coal plant closures in the last three or four months. 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:42.460 Good okay. Yes sir Charlie. Do you remember a couple of 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:45.119 years ago we saw a presentation about 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.159 the construction status for the transmission lines and 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.159 substations and I'd like to see if we 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.460 get an update on the meeting when we don't have a lot of 00:34:54.460 --> 00:34:56.960 things on the agenda. Yeah I would too. 00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:05.409 I'd like to see that too. Okay. Will that be included in 00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:10.400 the March 26th about the about the costs? 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.150 I was I was under the impression that was also going to 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.440 include you know construction update in 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:24.769 and the you know purpose of the new substations. I'll need 00:35:24.769 --> 00:35:27.760 to check with George on that when he 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.789 gets when he returns but he and Brent have been working on 00:35:31.789 --> 00:35:35.039 that information updating the CIP 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.659 along with the substation plan so it'll be it'll be some 00:35:37.659 --> 00:35:39.360 time either in March or April as we're 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.190 preparing for the budget discussions. If that had not been 00:35:44.190 --> 00:35:46.639 a part of the original plan I would 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.030 just encourage Mr. Morrow to you know provide that 00:35:52.030 --> 00:35:55.920 information in addition to the costs 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.630 you know discussing the cost because cost outside of you 00:35:58.630 --> 00:36:00.320 know the construction update and 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.719 the purpose of these substations in his sense as new 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.320 director. Right he's working on that I 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.650 would say by no later than April we'll be ready for that. 00:36:12.650 --> 00:36:15.679 Okay thanks. Okay anything else? 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.719 Concluding items anybody like to bring up? 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:31.360 No? Okay well it's not dark outside yet we can't really. 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:36.159 Is there a motion to adjourn? 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.989 No motion. Motion and a second? Second. Second. All in 00:36:42.989 --> 00:36:45.119 favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed?