1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,540 We'll go ahead and call the February 26, 2018 public 2 00:00:04,540 --> 00:00:07,200 utility board meeting to order. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,609 We have no work session tonight, so we'll go right into the 4 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:17,839 regular meeting. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,640 And we have three items on the consent agenda. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,190 So I'd ask if any member would like to pull any of these 7 00:00:28,190 --> 00:00:31,120 items for individual consideration. 8 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:37,500 Yes, I'd like to pull, I think it's A and C. My iPad is 9 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:38,719 having difficulty. 10 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:39,219 Okay. 11 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:41,280 But the two on the sponsorship. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Sponsorships, okay. 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,359 All right, so item A and C, anything else? 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Anybody like C pull? 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,119 If not, then is we have a motion to approve consent agenda 16 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:03,439 item B. 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:06,420 So moves. 18 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:08,319 Second. 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,599 We have a motion and a second. 20 00:01:09,599 --> 00:01:10,400 Any discussion? 21 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:12,959 All in favor say aye. 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:13,519 Aye. 23 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:14,239 Any opposed? 24 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:16,019 Thank you. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,739 Okay, item A, which is to consider recommending adoption of 26 00:01:21,739 --> 00:01:22,239 an ordinance. 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,310 Of the city of Denton authorizing an agreement between the 28 00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:27,760 city of Denton and keep Denton beautiful. 29 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:35,340 For I guess this is their annual sponsorship budget of $11, 30 00:01:35,340 --> 00:01:37,040 500. 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,079 Presentation or do you just want to ask questions? 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,709 Well, my main question was if somebody on staff could just 33 00:01:48,709 --> 00:01:49,599 go over 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,590 what the new guidelines are about sponsorships and how each 35 00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:02,400 component of this request 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,819 complies with the new guidelines because there were a 37 00:02:04,819 --> 00:02:05,519 number of them. 38 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:09,039 There is the keep Denton beautiful and the mural. 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,960 So I was just wondering if we could kind of be just walk 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,719 through each item. 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,080 Yeah, and how it and how it complies to the new. 42 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:23,520 Then the new guidelines. 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:23,840 Thanks. 44 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:29,039 I'll ask Deputy Manager Langley if he would address that 45 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:29,599 since he was 46 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,930 instrumental in crafting that policy and I think he can 47 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:34,719 answer any of those questions. 48 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:38,409 I have to bring my laptop up here so I can go through some 49 00:02:38,409 --> 00:02:39,840 of this with you. 50 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:46,300 We tried to craft a sponsorship policy so that they could 51 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:48,560 be considered for tax exempt entities. 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,400 They would not be organizations that did not discriminate 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,639 on the base of race, color, religion, 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,080 several other categories. 55 00:02:57,199 --> 00:02:59,759 They would further a charitable cause or public interest. 56 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:05,280 And they would be required to recognize the city and or DME 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,039 in any kind of advertising or any kind of materials that 58 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:08,479 they had. 59 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:10,789 So those are really the qualifications that we put together 60 00:03:10,789 --> 00:03:10,960 . 61 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,849 We'd also put a stipulation that if anything more than $2, 62 00:03:14,849 --> 00:03:15,439 500, 63 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:18,610 that those would come back and there would be an approval 64 00:03:18,610 --> 00:03:21,120 process for both the PUB and City Council. 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,840 And then we'd have a quarterly reporting mechanism back to 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,879 the board and the council 67 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:27,719 of any sponsorships in addition to those that were made as 68 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:28,000 well. 69 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:31,360 So hopefully that is that the information you need. 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:31,680 Okay. 71 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:38,639 Yeah, I noticed on the on the agenda information sheet that 72 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:43,650 the related key focus area was safe, livable and family 73 00:03:43,650 --> 00:03:44,879 friendly community. 74 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,400 Is that kind of the arching? 75 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,199 I think that's the tie is that it's related to the public 76 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:55,520 interest is to make the city a better 77 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,520 place to beautify the city. 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,080 And we've got a long standing relationship supporting KDB 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,800 in those efforts. 80 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,439 And so that would be the public interest that we would see. 81 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,520 And that's really for your consideration. 82 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:06,020 Okay. 83 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:10,400 Yeah, for some reason, I was under the impression 84 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,829 that the KDB was going to be sponsored by Solid Waste in 85 00:04:16,829 --> 00:04:17,600 the future. 86 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:26,079 But it's so is it both DME and Solid Waste because I can I 87 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:26,240 mean, 88 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,000 I think it's a terrific program. 89 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,589 And for me, they tie in with Solid Waste and the Recycling 90 00:04:33,589 --> 00:04:35,439 Ditto for the Great American Cleanup, 91 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:38,319 which is a wonderful effort. 92 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,600 I can see more the connection to Solid Waste. 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,000 I was wondering about that. 94 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Yeah, I know that we do have a sponsorship from DME. 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,040 The Solid Waste Department has some employees that do a lot 96 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,360 of work on KDB that's already 97 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,240 part of their budget. 98 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:01,120 So I don't know if Solid Waste is planning an additional 99 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:01,759 sponsorship 100 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,439 or any kind of in kind support for that. 101 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:06,470 But we already provide those employees a cost for those 102 00:05:06,470 --> 00:05:08,720 employees in the Solid Waste budget. 103 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,319 But this is specifically for DME. 104 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,120 We can look at that and be sure to bring that back if that 105 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,000 's the case. 106 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,009 And in the mural, so what's the tie in with the mural 107 00:05:20,009 --> 00:05:23,279 effort to the environmental 108 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,360 leaning of the other items? 109 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,839 I'm not sure I understand your question. 110 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,449 Oh, that was so one of the one of the elements was it was K 111 00:05:33,449 --> 00:05:35,759 DB, Great American Cleanup. 112 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:39,279 I'm sorry, my for the for the different. 113 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,040 I was having some problems turning on. 114 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,639 But one of them was, yeah, the art. 115 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:44,079 Yeah, the mural art initiative. 116 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,600 To me, Redbud, that was another one Redbud Festival. 117 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,550 You know, to me, it seemed that that might be something 118 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:52,240 that maybe might be more appropriate 119 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,360 coming out of the the arts grants. 120 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,160 I was just I was just wondering. 121 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,360 Apparently, we didn't decide to require that 122 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:10,410 the new that the sponsorships have some specific tie in to 123 00:06:10,410 --> 00:06:13,839 to DME if they are electricity, 124 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,730 they're coming from DME or to solid waste recycling and 125 00:06:17,730 --> 00:06:19,279 cleanup if they're coming from 126 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,480 solid waste. 127 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,720 Well, it doesn't necessarily have a tie to electricity. 128 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,240 I think the the point of this discussion have been that DME 129 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,759 had routinely bought 130 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,120 tables. 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,029 They had sponsored different events which further the cause 132 00:06:32,029 --> 00:06:33,120 of that organization. 133 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,100 And I think the listing the listing of the the different 134 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:37,759 events that you have here 135 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:40,139 includes that mural art initiative that they would be a 136 00:06:40,139 --> 00:06:41,199 sponsor of that event for 137 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:44,160 a thousand dollars, excuse me, fifteen hundred dollars for 138 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,120 that event. 139 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,699 So it's there's not necessarily a tie to electricity, but 140 00:06:48,699 --> 00:06:50,079 more of a broader policy 141 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:51,439 to the overall city. 142 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:54,240 That's been the tie that we've been looking for. 143 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,269 There's other events that DME is also sponsored outside of 144 00:06:59,269 --> 00:07:01,040 KDB, which are also more general in 145 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,649 nature for just the good of the community, a public 146 00:07:03,649 --> 00:07:05,519 interest event, those kinds of things. 147 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:06,160 Okay. 148 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,199 So beyond KDB. 149 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:07,680 Yeah. 150 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,430 And is there any possibility that in the future, you know, 151 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:13,360 I'm not so clear about the 152 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,430 arts budget for the art committee, but that the mural 153 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:18,000 project seems to me that would be 154 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,319 something more appropriate coming out of the arts budget. 155 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,199 Well, the the arts budget, there's really two funding 156 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:27,680 sources for that. 157 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,709 One is hot funds, and those typically have been for a 158 00:07:31,709 --> 00:07:33,600 particular projects that the public 159 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,199 art committee has recommended. 160 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:38,379 And the other is for bond funds related to the propositions 161 00:07:38,379 --> 00:07:39,759 that were approved by the 162 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:40,560 voters. 163 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,040 So there's really not any funds specifically for this. 164 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:45,839 I think that's why it was proposed here. 165 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:48,560 Okay. 166 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Thank you. 167 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Hopefully that helps. 168 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:50,319 Yes. 169 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:50,720 Thank you. 170 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:53,939 Okay. 171 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,439 Any other questions? 172 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,339 I know the and we probably will get in this in the budget 173 00:08:01,339 --> 00:08:03,279 later in the next couple of 174 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:03,680 months. 175 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:10,689 But we when KDB was became a part of the solid waste 176 00:08:10,689 --> 00:08:12,079 umbrella. 177 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:17,910 Yes, there was a there was a good report on basically how 178 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:20,959 how the funds that go to KDB 179 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:27,620 are leveraged with private donations. And, you know, 180 00:08:27,620 --> 00:08:30,079 basically, I don't know, we're 181 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:31,759 looking at $11,500. 182 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,100 But you know, they're they're raising a lot more money than 183 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:36,720 that on the private side as 184 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:37,120 well. 185 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,720 So but again, we can get get into that in budget. 186 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,549 We can well, we can certainly bring some information back 187 00:08:45,549 --> 00:08:46,879 to the board and provide some 188 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:49,179 other information on KDB a little bit more information 189 00:08:49,179 --> 00:08:50,559 about that particular initiative. 190 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,159 We can certainly do that. 191 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:54,840 Perhaps the history of that was transferred over to solid 192 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,360 waste. 193 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,399 That's been a few years ago. 194 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:57,840 Yeah, it's been a while. 195 00:08:58,799 --> 00:08:59,120 Yeah. 196 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:06,169 And I'd like to know if it would be possible to sustain KDB 197 00:09:06,169 --> 00:09:10,000 through through either solid 198 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:16,000 waste or through the general fund as opposed to DME. 199 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Well, I want to make sure we're clear the KDB function is 200 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,000 being paid for through solid 201 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,399 waste. 202 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:27,070 The staff that I was mentioning to you before that that's 203 00:09:27,070 --> 00:09:28,960 currently being done that was 204 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,159 shifted as as Mr. Robinson is referring to back from the 205 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:34,000 general fund several years ago 206 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,879 to solid waste. 207 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:36,639 I don't recall it's been several years. 208 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,659 So this is just for the sponsorship of the KDB some KDB 209 00:09:41,659 --> 00:09:43,279 events by DME. 210 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:45,200 So it's not the overall KDB program. 211 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Yes. 212 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,720 So I want to make sure that's clear. 213 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,200 Yes. 214 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:47,919 Yeah. 215 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:48,159 Yeah. 216 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,279 So sorry. 217 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,600 So I should have said if these sponsorships in addition to 218 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,159 the other funding. 219 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:55,600 Okay. 220 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,360 So this $11,500 is not a sustaining contribution. 221 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:01,120 That's right. 222 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:01,919 These are one time. 223 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,919 Depending on this $11,500 to maintain their operation. 224 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:07,679 That's right. 225 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:08,080 Yes. 226 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:08,399 Yeah. 227 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:08,899 Okay. 228 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,039 Okay. 229 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:11,440 Okay. 230 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,039 I'll be glad to bring that back for you. 231 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:13,440 All right. 232 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Any other questions from Brian? 233 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:16,720 All right. 234 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,200 Thank you. 235 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:17,700 Thank you. 236 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:22,320 Do we have a motion on item A then? 237 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:27,519 Have a motion to approve. 238 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:28,000 Okay. 239 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,399 Thank you. 240 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:29,759 Is there a second? 241 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,039 Second. 242 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,320 And a second. 243 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,440 Any further discussion? 244 00:10:34,639 --> 00:10:35,279 All in favor. 245 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,320 I'm sorry. 246 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:36,879 Go ahead. 247 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:38,159 I don't pull the trigger too quick. 248 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:41,200 All in favor say aye. 249 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:42,320 Aye. 250 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,039 Any opposed? 251 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:43,919 Nay. 252 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:44,879 Okay. 253 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,720 Item A passes. 254 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,980 Item B, which is to consider recommending adoption of an 255 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:55,200 ordinance. 256 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,389 The city didn't authorizing an agreement between the city 257 00:10:58,389 --> 00:10:59,120 of Denton, 258 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Texas and Texas Filmmakers Corporation for the sponsorship 259 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,159 of the thin line festival 260 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,360 providing for the expenditure of funds. 261 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:11,679 Therefore, and providing an effective date for an amount of 262 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,440 $5,000. 263 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:17,379 Okay. 264 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:26,120 And my question or concern about this was along similar 265 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,600 lines. 266 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,639 I also, I think thin line is a terrific, terrific event. 267 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,600 And I'm proud that the city sponsors it. 268 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:43,690 It's not quite clear to me the tie in with, with DME or why 269 00:11:43,690 --> 00:11:44,320 DME 270 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,360 would need to advertise it at this event since we, since D 271 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,759 ME doesn't have competition 272 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:58,159 and it's not to me clearly an environmental focus or about, 273 00:11:58,159 --> 00:11:59,919 about electricity per se. 274 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,450 So I would also like to see the possible, let's see staff 275 00:12:05,450 --> 00:12:09,440 look into maybe not for PUB 276 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,649 since this is kind of going outside of PUB, but the 277 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:17,440 possibility of funding thin line sponsorships, 278 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:21,519 a thin line sponsorship through the general fund or through 279 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:22,480 the arts fund. 280 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,870 To me, that seems to me it to be a more appropriate use of 281 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:28,399 DME funds when again, 282 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:32,159 like I said, when we have no competition and when we have 283 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:35,120 so many customers having difficulty 284 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,279 paying their bills, including people having their power 285 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:40,000 turned off, 286 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,080 things like this are really important for this city. 287 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,360 But so I would just love to see these continue to be funded 288 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,000 , but not necessarily through DME. 289 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,759 So that's why I'm going to be voting no for this. 290 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:58,000 Again, it's not because I don't support thin line. 291 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,200 It's a terrific program. 292 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,240 Okay. Any other comments? 293 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:06,320 Well, I have a question for Brian. 294 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,240 Wasn't part of the reason we were doing this is to be 295 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,440 similar to what other utilities do also. 296 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,330 So it's, it's not really, it's to have kind of a corporate 297 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:19,039 sponsorship. 298 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:21,120 That's right. 299 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,559 That was really part of the discussion. 300 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,850 If you recall, we had a couple of different work session 301 00:13:24,850 --> 00:13:27,519 items on this particular topic where we, 302 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:29,990 that was the very question we asked the board and then the 303 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:32,080 city council has given all of the factors 304 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,399 what had been done in prior years with DME, kind of what's 305 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:38,879 happens in a lot of private utilities. 306 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:41,200 Did you want to do the sponsorship from DME? 307 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,399 And the consensus from the board and the council was yes, 308 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:47,600 that you did want to do that. 309 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,559 And I've included a copy of that resolution in your backup. 310 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,240 So that was kind of part of that conversation. 311 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,519 Yeah. I just want to. 312 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:54,240 Yes, ma'am. 313 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,039 Thank you. 314 00:13:55,039 --> 00:14:00,559 Yeah. I kind of, I mean, I know sometimes you have to 315 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:06,779 you know, what, what makes the community better through 316 00:14:06,779 --> 00:14:08,240 these events 317 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,320 is a benefit for everybody, including DME. 318 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,860 And I, you may not be able to tie it to, you can't put a 319 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:19,759 meter on it like we normally do, but 320 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,399 you know, it makes, it makes a more vibrant community, 321 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:27,360 which, which I think as a community 322 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,850 grows and is more vibrant, I think that's a benefit to DME 323 00:14:30,850 --> 00:14:32,720 and that money comes back. 324 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:38,460 It's, it's an investment much like, you know, any kind of a 325 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:40,799 corporate sponsorship would be just 326 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,879 it's more, you know, not a dollar. 327 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:52,159 It's something that you can't just say, okay, I'm, I'm 328 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:53,120 going to make this investment. 329 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,919 I'm going to get 10% return on it. 330 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:01,570 It's, it's a, it's a more of a strategic investment, I 331 00:15:01,570 --> 00:15:04,000 think, these types of things. 332 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,600 And so that's my philosophy on it. 333 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,090 I'd hate for anybody to think that people who vote to 334 00:15:13,090 --> 00:15:16,240 approve these funds are unconcerned 335 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,210 that there are citizens or rate payers that are having 336 00:15:19,210 --> 00:15:21,200 difficulty paying their rates. 337 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,759 I think that is evidenced by the changes we made to some of 338 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:27,840 those options for low income 339 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,169 and the amount of money, I believe that we put into that 340 00:15:31,169 --> 00:15:31,600 kitty. 341 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,159 And I think we changed some of the policies about how many 342 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:35,840 times you can ask for that money 343 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,840 as well. So I think, you know, 344 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,159 well, I think I said what I meant. 345 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:48,080 All right. Okay. So is there a motion then on item C? 346 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,289 I'll move approval. Oh, second motion and a second 347 00:15:53,289 --> 00:15:55,200 discussion. 348 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,679 All in favor say aye. Any opposed? 349 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:02,179 Nay. 350 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,120 Okay. Item C carries. 351 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:16,000 Next item we have is the minutes of the February 12th, 2018 352 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:18,960 public utility board meeting. 353 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:27,299 These have been distributed in advance. Anybody have any 354 00:16:27,299 --> 00:16:29,759 questions, comments, changes on these? 355 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,639 No? Somebody want to make a motion to approve them or 356 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,080 should we approve them by acclamation? 357 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,759 It's usually by affirmation. 358 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:42,259 Yeah. Okay. 359 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,600 I think by affirmations. 360 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,190 All right. So those will stand approved as submitted by acc 361 00:16:47,190 --> 00:16:47,840 lamation. 362 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,899 Item B is consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of 363 00:16:51,899 --> 00:16:53,279 the city of Denton. 364 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,670 Okay. Read through this. Rejecting all bids received under 365 00:17:04,670 --> 00:17:08,640 IFB 6621, which is purchase of 138 366 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:14,410 kilovolt circuit breakers and maintenance parts and author 367 00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:17,680 izing the city manager or his designee the 368 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,420 authority to enter into a contract with the lower Colorado 369 00:17:20,420 --> 00:17:23,119 River authority through an interlocal 370 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,450 cooperative purchasing program participation agreement purs 371 00:17:27,450 --> 00:17:30,400 uant to section 271.102 of the 372 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,180 Texas local government code for the purchase of high 373 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:35,680 voltage circuit breakers for Denton Municipal 374 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,309 Electric providing for the expenditure of funds therefore 375 00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:41,359 and providing an effective date 376 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,569 to enter into this agreement, this participation to 377 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:52,319 purchase this equipment 378 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,420 in the amount not to exceed two million two hundred 379 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:56,400 thousand dollars. 380 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:02,720 It was the first time I read it. It was easy. 381 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,720 Okay. 382 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,480 Please. Those are I hope we have some bigger ones in those 383 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,880 for 2.2 million dollars. 384 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,559 See if I can relieve your mind a little bit. 385 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:29,359 All right. 386 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,240 I'm Chuck Sears, the transmission engineering manager. 387 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,589 I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to tell you about 388 00:18:37,589 --> 00:18:39,279 some of the equipment that we use 389 00:18:39,279 --> 00:18:43,490 and hopefully remove a little bit of the mystery that might 390 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:46,720 surround it. I know I've been told 391 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,299 sometimes that electricity uses a lot of black boxes and so 392 00:18:50,299 --> 00:18:52,160 you put them out there and they do 393 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,059 something. Let's try to let you understand what what this 394 00:18:57,059 --> 00:18:59,759 one does a little bit. What I put on 395 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:03,079 the table here something that probably all of you have seen 396 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:05,680 . Those are circuit breakers that go in 397 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:13,390 a panel in either a commercial building or your home. They 398 00:19:13,390 --> 00:19:17,279 operate to open electric circuits in 399 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:21,519 the case of some problem. In the case of those specifically 400 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:23,920 they operate when the current gets 401 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,950 above a certain level such as when your vacuum cleaner 402 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:29,039 shorts out or you go to plug it in as I 403 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:32,660 did when I was a kid. A little fire would come out of the 404 00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:35,200 plug and it would scare you half to death 405 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:40,099 but the circuit breaker would stop that and that's exactly 406 00:19:40,099 --> 00:19:42,000 what the circuit breakers that we use on 407 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,680 the power system do. We have a little more sophisticated 408 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,920 controls. It takes more equipment 409 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,549 to do it but it does exactly the same thing that those two 410 00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:54,160 things sitting on the oh I'm sorry. 411 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,759 There you go. A little prettier picture. 412 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,220 Okay and all three of these pictures are 138 kV circuit 413 00:20:05,220 --> 00:20:06,160 breakers. 414 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,710 They are circuit breakers that DME has on its system at 415 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:11,599 this time. 416 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:19,799 Two of them are in the new Jim Crystal substation and one 417 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,000 in the center is the ARCO substation. 418 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,069 And the only difference other than size and these and the 419 00:20:30,069 --> 00:20:31,519 ones that are put on the table is the 420 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:35,019 number of poles or the number of actual single pole circuit 421 00:20:35,019 --> 00:20:36,960 breakers that has in it. These have 422 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,640 two each. The ones in the picture has three. And stop me 423 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,319 any time if you got questions. 424 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,779 Okay I've already told you the basic purpose of what they 425 00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:53,519 do and unlike a fuse they can be 426 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:57,119 repeated. The fuse blows one time and you have to go out 427 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,519 and replace it. We have fuses on power 428 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:02,509 systems and we have to go replace them just like you do and 429 00:21:02,509 --> 00:21:04,319 some equipment in your house. 430 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,690 If you look at this drawing to the right of the picture you 431 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:10,720 'll see these little squares with an 432 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,930 X in them. That's where the circuit breakers are in that 433 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:18,640 station. That happens to be the ARCO substation. 434 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:23,359 We have 11 of those in that station and without circuit 435 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,319 breakers we have no mechanism to stop the 436 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:31,789 flow of current. Now just like your car has inertia you can 437 00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:35,759 't use a switch to stop the flow of current. 438 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:39,279 You've got to have something that's designed specifically 439 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:41,119 to stop a high level of inertia 440 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,839 in the electrical system. And so they get pretty large and 441 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:50,079 more expensive. But without those 442 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,839 if you had a fault or a short circuit out on the system 443 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:55,519 there would be nothing there to stop it 444 00:21:55,519 --> 00:22:07,289 until it something burned apart. Now we have 94, 138 kv 445 00:22:07,289 --> 00:22:10,240 circuit breakers in service on our system 446 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,059 at this time. If you looked in your backup there's we've 447 00:22:14,059 --> 00:22:16,400 got three that aren't in service that are 448 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,619 off that can serve as spares or whatever. 86 of these are 449 00:22:19,619 --> 00:22:21,680 the type of breaker that we're proposing 450 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,539 to purchase right here. The advantage of that is that if we 451 00:22:26,539 --> 00:22:29,200 have to replace one in the field 452 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,819 it's an exact fit. Retrofit's fairly easy from a 453 00:22:33,819 --> 00:22:39,119 maintenance standpoint it's when they're the same 454 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,289 they're easy to work on and we have a common parts 455 00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:45,599 inventory. So since the majority of ours are that 456 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,960 it's fortunate that we're having the opportunity to buy 457 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,759 these again. 458 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,140 We hope. If you have some questions about the construction 459 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:55,759 there's different parts on them I'll 460 00:22:55,759 --> 00:23:00,089 be happy to talk about those. If you like gives you a 461 00:23:00,089 --> 00:23:03,119 little bit of it. The two key things 462 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,119 on the ratings on a circuit breaker are how much current it 463 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,640 's rated to carry all the time. In the 464 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,740 case of the ones we're purchasing that's 3,000 amps and how 465 00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:17,119 much of the fault current can it stop. 466 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,259 And we have two different ratings we're proposing to 467 00:23:21,259 --> 00:23:24,880 include in our contract and that's 40,000 amp 468 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,940 and 63,000 amp. Those are standard ratings in the circuit 469 00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:30,000 breaker industry. 470 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,190 Nothing special about that other than what the company 471 00:23:36,190 --> 00:23:37,599 offers normally. 472 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,579 And our recommendation is that you approve the contract for 473 00:23:46,579 --> 00:23:48,480 2.2 million. 474 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,019 And it's a blanket purchase agreement it does not require 475 00:23:55,019 --> 00:23:57,519 us to purchase any number we could 476 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,880 purchase zero obviously we have the intent of purchasing 477 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,039 some but we're not required to spend 478 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,180 the full amount of money unless it's needed. And with that 479 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:09,680 I'll take any questions you've got. 480 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:17,099 I'm confused. I thought we were going to purchase it from 481 00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:19,200 the lower Colorado River Authority. 482 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,599 It's actually purchasing from Siemens off of and in 483 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,039 accordance with the agreement that they have 484 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:28,900 with the lower Colorado River Authority. Okay okay and so 485 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:31,200 and I think the last statement in 486 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,890 the caption mentioned Siemens Industries as the recipient 487 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:39,839 of the contract. Okay so on the pricing 488 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:44,869 tabulation sheet I guess we're the it looks like the 489 00:24:44,869 --> 00:24:48,160 circuit breaker prices that we're getting are 490 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,930 these on the first column from Siemens. There are some 491 00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:56,480 other items listed the maintenance parts 492 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,990 and those don't appear on the projected circuit breaker 493 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:06,799 needs. Because it's repair parts we 494 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,099 purchase them at need and they're generally available 495 00:25:09,099 --> 00:25:10,319 within just a couple of weeks. 496 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,779 And we do keep some of some things on hand. They're 497 00:25:15,779 --> 00:25:19,279 generally smaller pieces. Circuit 498 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:24,160 breakers are such that if the major components in it fail 499 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,839 such as what's called the 500 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,400 interruptor the part that actually stops the current inside 501 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,920 usually the device fails rather 502 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,299 catastrophically and you're not going to repair it you're 503 00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:40,160 going to replace it. So bushings the if 504 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,539 remember that picture that was the long skinny things with 505 00:25:42,539 --> 00:25:45,279 all the ribs on it that sometimes 506 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,839 can get chipped or broken and you need to replace that then 507 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:49,680 there's some little parts in the control 508 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,369 cabinet is mainly the only things that we usually keep and 509 00:25:53,369 --> 00:25:55,680 they're relatively low cost items. 510 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,690 Okay and part of this item is to reject some bids are these 511 00:25:59,690 --> 00:26:01,839 just these two other ones here the 512 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:06,380 Siemens and the APFL bomb. Yes sir. Okay okay thank you and 513 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:08,960 the things on the Siemens bid is the same 514 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:17,089 as under the LCRA contract. Thank you. The and this is this 515 00:26:17,089 --> 00:26:22,079 is basically a is it is it two year 516 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,019 year and a half? Three year. Three year. It's actually a 517 00:26:25,019 --> 00:26:26,720 one year contract I believe the way 518 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,279 they've been doing it and purchasing it in here to do it 519 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,119 but it's with three opportunity or two 520 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,069 opportunities to renew. Okay. Three year total length of 521 00:26:36,069 --> 00:26:41,440 time. Okay other questions? Okay go ahead 522 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,190 it's probably the same one. Well can can you say a little 523 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:50,240 bit about how much of a difference there 524 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,450 is among the different kind of circuit breakers among the 525 00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:56,960 companies or is it you know if we took 526 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,500 this apart versus one by if we took apart circuit breaker 527 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,880 by made by Siemens versus one by one of 528 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,589 the competitors that bid higher would they look pretty much 529 00:27:06,589 --> 00:27:07,839 the same inside? 530 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,839 It's sort of let me answer it by giving sort of an analogy 531 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:16,559 you can buy a Ford or a Chevrolet on 532 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,349 the outside they look somewhat alike you know they got f 533 00:27:19,349 --> 00:27:21,680 enders and lights and windows and an engine 534 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,710 and they do the same thing but you don't put Ford parts in 535 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:29,039 a Chevrolet it's that kind of a thing so 536 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,480 they look a lot the same they'll all have bushings that 537 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,519 stick up on them that you attach the 538 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,609 high voltage wires to they'll all have some sort of an 539 00:27:36,609 --> 00:27:39,200 operating mechanism and interruptors and 540 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,019 things like that they do exactly the same things but 541 00:27:43,019 --> 00:27:45,920 company A designed it one way and company B 542 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,109 designed it a different way and their parts are not 543 00:27:49,109 --> 00:27:51,920 interchangeable so you once you once you're 544 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,730 with Siemens you purchase Siemens parts just like a Ford or 545 00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:56,799 a Chevrolet you wouldn't go to a Chevrolet 546 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,869 dealer to buy Ford parts. What about is just kind of a 547 00:28:00,869 --> 00:28:04,960 follow-up question outside of the advertising 548 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,549 you know these companies sure they say ours is the best 549 00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:09,759 ours is the best you know for a Ford or 550 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:13,019 Chevrolet say one might you know particular model Ford 551 00:28:13,019 --> 00:28:15,200 might have be famous for having better 552 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,099 mileage and then this one is better than the you know crash 553 00:28:18,099 --> 00:28:20,160 tech work you know are those kind of 554 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,049 considerations considered or is it really when it comes to 555 00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:26,960 circuit breakers is it just a difference 556 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,150 in parts but not necessarily in kind and in equality? Right 557 00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:34,799 the circuit breakers are manufactured 558 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,960 according to a national standard in fact international 559 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,720 standards as well and so they have 560 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,890 to perform to a certain level. Like with anything else 561 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:51,039 there are companies that we know of that 562 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,369 don't perform as well they tend to have more maintenance 563 00:28:55,369 --> 00:28:57,359 difficulties if you will 564 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,079 than others they don't tend to last as long and of course 565 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:05,519 the difference in 30 years and 20 years 566 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:09,910 is kind of hard to determine on a short-term basis but by 567 00:29:09,910 --> 00:29:12,799 and large they all do the same thing and 568 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,589 they do it in a similar fashion it's just the you know one 569 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:20,480 of them has a curly queue here and a 570 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,460 piston over there and another one turns it around the other 571 00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:25,680 way and does the same thing with it 572 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:33,700 but in terms of quality most of them are going to perform 573 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:37,680 pretty well. In terms of Siemens itself 574 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,839 I think maybe it's one of the better companies I've dealt 575 00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,119 with in my roughly 30 something years 576 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:58,109 career have had nobody that's had any better luck in in the 577 00:29:58,109 --> 00:29:59,599 marketplace than they have 578 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,849 on the type product. Does that answer your question? Yes 579 00:30:04,849 --> 00:30:06,960 absolutely thank you so much thanks. 580 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,710 Okay I did have a different question. Why did we go ahead 581 00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:15,759 and go with a bid if we could have already 582 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,730 done this I mean because I do support you doing cooperative 583 00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:20,559 agreements it saves our materials 584 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,650 management folks from going through all of that work. Why 585 00:30:23,650 --> 00:30:27,440 did we go out for bids when we could have 586 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,329 just done this to begin with? I can't speak exactly for 587 00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:33,359 purchasing but I think I know what 588 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:37,910 their thoughts were it was is this the best arrangement we 589 00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:40,079 could get and so they chose to 590 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,400 go out for a bid. So it was kind of a check because we've 591 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,839 been doing this for a while so let's check 592 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,529 it out. Yeah I think he gave a very good answer we've 593 00:30:49,529 --> 00:30:51,920 actually had a few bids recently with 594 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,029 cooperatives who have come in higher and they've lowered 595 00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:56,960 their prices to meet other bids that we 596 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,869 received so he's exactly right. Okay that's a good reason. 597 00:31:00,869 --> 00:31:05,599 Thank you. Okay other questions? 598 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,519 Nope okay do we have a motion then on item b? 599 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:23,599 I move. I second. Okay was it? He second. Second? She moved 600 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,640 . Oh okay I'm hearing an echo or something. 601 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,490 We have a motion and second on the floor for item b. Is 602 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,519 there further discussion? 603 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,529 All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Same sign. Okay 604 00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:44,799 thank you. Item b passes. Next we have our 605 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,690 ACM update. Good evening members of the board. Excuse me in 606 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:52,160 your packet you have a copy of the 607 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,710 email that was sent by Mr. James Orenstein to me back in 608 00:31:56,710 --> 00:32:00,160 late January. You also have with that the 609 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,559 response from George Morrow in relation to Mr. Orenstein's 610 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:06,160 email. Unfortunately Mr. Morrow is out 611 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,309 today. He'll be back in the office tomorrow so I'm sure he 612 00:32:10,309 --> 00:32:13,279 'd be happy to answer any questions related 613 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:19,200 to his memo at the following board meeting which will be 614 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,599 March the 12th. But it's in your packet 615 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,309 certainly can pass any information on Mr. Morrow that you 616 00:32:27,309 --> 00:32:28,799 might want to see if there's any additional 617 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:33,990 follow-up on that. Okay and then in relation to future 618 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:37,279 agenda items you have that in your packet 619 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,640 as well of upcoming things upcoming items that you'll see 620 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,319 for for the meeting in March. 621 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,549 And then lastly you'll have the new business matrix that 622 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:49,039 shows all the outstanding items 623 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,049 that are still being worked on by staff. You should have a 624 00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:56,559 DME substation cost information 625 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,480 at one of the meetings in March and then the 626 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,480 leveraging for transparency of gas prices in April coming 627 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,920 up. 628 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,359 Okay questions on the upcoming agendas? 629 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,750 Yeah do you happen to know Mario if the substation item 630 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:22,240 will be the first meeting in March 631 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,329 or the second one? 26. It'll be the second meeting in March 632 00:33:28,329 --> 00:33:30,640 . March 26th. 633 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,759 Okay that's all I have. 634 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,599 Okay all right. Completing items 635 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,660 if there's any member of the public utilities board that 636 00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:53,920 would like to add something to the 637 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,619 future agendas or the matrix now is the time to do that. I 638 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:04,720 'd like to get an update on our plans to 639 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,909 close Givens Creek if we could. You know just kind of an 640 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:13,760 update. Yeah. I mean it's this year right? 641 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,989 Handful of months away maybe one in a little bit you know 642 00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:24,159 so. Okay. Yeah that'd be good because 643 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,739 as summer is approaching. Yeah and big brown close and 644 00:34:27,739 --> 00:34:30,400 another one close. There's been two or three 645 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,159 big coal plant closures in the last three or four months. 646 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,460 Good okay. Yes sir Charlie. Do you remember a couple of 647 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:45,119 years ago we saw a presentation about 648 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,159 the construction status for the transmission lines and 649 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,159 substations and I'd like to see if we 650 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,460 get an update on the meeting when we don't have a lot of 651 00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:56,960 things on the agenda. Yeah I would too. 652 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:05,409 I'd like to see that too. Okay. Will that be included in 653 00:35:05,409 --> 00:35:10,400 the March 26th about the about the costs? 654 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,150 I was I was under the impression that was also going to 655 00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:17,440 include you know construction update in 656 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:24,769 and the you know purpose of the new substations. I'll need 657 00:35:24,769 --> 00:35:27,760 to check with George on that when he 658 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,789 gets when he returns but he and Brent have been working on 659 00:35:31,789 --> 00:35:35,039 that information updating the CIP 660 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,659 along with the substation plan so it'll be it'll be some 661 00:35:37,659 --> 00:35:39,360 time either in March or April as we're 662 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,190 preparing for the budget discussions. If that had not been 663 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:46,639 a part of the original plan I would 664 00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:52,030 just encourage Mr. Morrow to you know provide that 665 00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:55,920 information in addition to the costs 666 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,630 you know discussing the cost because cost outside of you 667 00:35:58,630 --> 00:36:00,320 know the construction update and 668 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,719 the purpose of these substations in his sense as new 669 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,320 director. Right he's working on that I 670 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,650 would say by no later than April we'll be ready for that. 671 00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:15,679 Okay thanks. Okay anything else? 672 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,719 Concluding items anybody like to bring up? 673 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:31,360 No? Okay well it's not dark outside yet we can't really. 674 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,159 Is there a motion to adjourn? 675 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,989 No motion. Motion and a second? Second. Second. All in 676 00:36:42,989 --> 00:36:45,119 favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed?