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So let's call the January 22, 2018 Public Utilities Board

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meeting to order.

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We have, first off, a regular meeting.

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We have a consent agenda with one item.

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And I would ask if there are any members who

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would like to pull this for individual consideration

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discussion.

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Yes, I would like to pull it.

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OK.

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All right.

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So we'll just take that as an individual item.

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So the first item we have then is

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item number A, which is considered

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recommending approval of a resolution of the city

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of Denton, Texas, approving the solid waste and watershed

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protection sponsorship program guidelines and application

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process.

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Good afternoon, members of PUB.

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So this is a resolution basically formally

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adopting the sponsorship suggestions and recommendations

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that the PUB and council weighed in on in late October,

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early November.

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If you'll recall, much like DME, Solid Waste and the Waters

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hed

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Protection Program have a sponsorship program.

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For ours, it is basically centered around a lot

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of the Keep Denton Beautiful programs, Great American

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Cleanup, the Rosebud Festival, things of that nature.

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In addition, we also have a $10,000 sponsorship

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through Solid Waste.

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The city is contractually obligated for KDB

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to provide that each year.

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And so by this resolution, we are basically

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adopting this year's budget.

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And as we go through the future budget processes,

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both solid waste and watershed, we'll call out specifically

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what we're recommending for a budget so the PUB and council

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can weigh in on that.

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And I'll stand for any questions if you have them.

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Questions?

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This mirrors as far as the criteria for what triggers

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an individual item, same dollar amounts

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we have throughout the utilities for donations.

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We really tailored this around the DME proposal

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that was presented to PUB and adopted in a similar fashion.

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And so the same criteria is going

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to apply in terms of accepting applications for that.

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Anything over $2,500 would come forward to PUB and council

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for formal approval.

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And we'll also circle back with you all on a quarterly

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basis

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to give you an update on anything that falls below those

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levels

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as well.

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OK.

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All right.

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I do have a question.

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Huh?

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I just remembered.

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And I remember going through the presentation and

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everything.

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But I don't remember why the $2,500,

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why is that the cutoff?

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That it has to go to the council and the PUB.

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Well, this is going to be a total cop-out answer.

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Again, we very much mirrored the DME approach.

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And so we didn't want to do anything that

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differed from that too greatly.

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Certainly, if that's PUB or council's pleasure,

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we could probably adjust those limits if we needed to.

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Now, I just remember reading through that and seeing it.

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And I couldn't remember what it was, what was that.

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So that's fine.

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I can give a little color to that.

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When we were looking at the DME sponsorships,

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we tried to find a good cutoff point where most of them

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were fairly small that we were doing.

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And $2,500, we looked at just the activity level that we

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had.

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And that's how we kind of arrived at that figure.

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OK.

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Most of the larger ones.

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Thank you for the save.

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OK.

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All right, any other questions?

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I have a comment.

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And that is that I support the programs

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that this program supports.

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But for the same reason that I voted against the DME

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sponsorship program, I'm going to vote no to this as well.

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I want to make sure Keep Denton Beautiful stays fully

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funded.

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So I don't want to think that the Keep Denton Beautiful

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program depends on this.

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And if that's the case, I'd like it to look into why that

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is.

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So this is not about Keep Denton Beautiful.

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It's just about my belief that public utilities should

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be for the ratepayers and that the ratepayers are the ones

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who

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need whatever extra additional revenue we have

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to go to keeping rates low.

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So anyway, I just wanted to specify no disrespect

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to the programs that this supports, or even

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the spirit of it.

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But just as a matter of principle,

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that's why I'm going to be voting no.

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But I appreciate your presentation

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and the spirit of the program.

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OK.

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All right, any other comments?

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Do we have a motion?

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So moved.

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Moved to--

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To accept the--

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To accept it?

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As-- yeah.

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OK.

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And a second?

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I had to ask.

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Second by Brendan.

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So any other discussion?

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Nay.

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OK.

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The motion passes for item A on the consent agenda.

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Moving into items for individual consideration,

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we have first item A, which is consider approval

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of the public utilities board meeting minutes of January 8,

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2018.

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Does anybody have any comments, questions, changes on that?

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I had one question on the--

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I can't remember exactly where it was in the minutes.

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But there was a comment about--

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Page two at the bottom.

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Let's see.

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You've already seen it.

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I'm sure you've seen it.

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Somehow or another, yeah.

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I don't know if that's where I had the question or not.

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There was actually a comment about that staff had made

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an effort to maximize costs.

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I questioned that.

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No, I don't.

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It was in relationship to the underground versus overhead

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discussion we had.

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OK, item D. It's the very last paragraph of the item.

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Oh, it's on the purchase of the lubrication oil and coolant

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for the deck.

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And the last paragraph, which says,

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they will be filled with oil even if the engines do not run

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The remainder is for maintenance.

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Staff maximize cost.

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There will be 10,000 gallons in the maintenance tank.

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Question, maybe maximize efficiency.

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I don't know what the intent was there.

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But that's kind of where I recall the discussion was.

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To maximize the efficiency of what we're buying,

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or recommended buying, that we get the purchase of 10,000

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gallons.

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So I just want to clarify that.

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We can go back and clarify that piece of the matter.

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Let's take a look at the comments

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and make sure we have that characterized correctly.

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OK, good.

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OK, any other comments, questions, changes?

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So I guess since we're changing the way these were

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published,

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is there a motion to approve with those changes

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to go back and make those changes?

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Motion?

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Second.

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And a second.

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Any discussion?

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Same sign.

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OK, motion carries.

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Next we have item B, which is consider recommending

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adoption

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of an ordinance, accepting competitive proposals,

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and awarding a contract for the supply of electric meter

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equipment for the city of Denton to be purchased

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on an as needed basis for an amount not to exceed--

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a three year not to exceed amount of $4,289,250.

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Good evening, members of the board.

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My name is J.R. Richardson.

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I'm the metering superintendent for DME.

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I'm here today to talk to you about the invitation for BID

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6612, which is for our electric meters

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and associated equipment.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm happy there.

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Previously, we have had a three year bid with the RFP 5584,

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which expired in October 7, 2017.

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We put the information for BID 6612 out on the streets

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on October 16.

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All those proposals were brought back in on October 7.

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All the bids have been reviewed, tallied, and evaluated.

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Currently, we have 53,000 meters on our system.

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Roughly 30,000 of those are AMI meters

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with the remote disconnect.

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Just about 20,000 of those are non-disconnect meters

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for residential, and approximately 5,000 of those

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are for commercial AMI meters.

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The bid was broken up into six sections for proposal.

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We did that just so that we would

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get a better section of invitations or bids

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from our vendors.

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This is a picture of our residential tuning out

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residential meter with the remote disconnect.

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We also have a commercial meter that

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measures the KW consumption.

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And we also have meters--

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the reason why we purchase our meters

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is for new installations, for damaged meters,

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and also for maintenance.

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This is our 13-turbinal meter base.

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This base is used for our three-phase customers whose load

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is greater than 200 amps.

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And we have to utilize instrument-rated transformers

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as PTs and CTs to measure the consumption.

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Here on the far edge is a primary metering set right here.

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This is your potential transformer

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and your current transformer.

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This set is normally mounted on the top of the pole

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to measure the primary voltage of a customer's load.

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that are normally used inside a transformer

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for the secondary load of a customer service.

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On this slide, we're showing you the equipment with our AMI

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system.

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It's composed of gateways, extender bridges, power supply

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units, and repeaters.

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is one of our extender bridges.

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These are what are used to collect the reads

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from the meters as they come up.

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And then from there, they go to the two gateways.

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We have two gateways.

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One is located at our radio tower site at McKenna Park.

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And the other one's located on the tower

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that we'd lease space with the Denton EOC off of Teasley

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Lane.

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Funding for these electric meters and equipment

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are broken out over the four project numbers.

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These are the project numbers for the three-phase,

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single-phase, instrument-rated equipment, and AMI and WAN

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equipment.

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The staff recommends that we approve the lowest bid

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for IFB 6612 and a not-to-exceed bid

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amount of $1.4 million for the three years.

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Any questions?

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Questions?

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Yeah.

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What is a meter socket?

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I mean, I read that.

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Is that like a meter base?

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Yes, it is.

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I thought a customer owned the base.

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They do, except the only ones that we purchase

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are the 13 terminal bases and the six terminal bases.

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And those are only used with our instrument-rated equipment

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like the PT's and CT's.

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Any self-contained meter, the customer

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purchased those bases.

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This base right here, the meter would actually--

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this is what-- oh, I didn't do that.

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I promised.

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Right here is our 13 terminal socket.

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And this is where the meter would actually plug in.

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And then there would be a cover.

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Down here, we have our test switches.

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These switches here are for the potentials transformers.

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And here, you'll have a current, and then a current return,

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a current, and a current return.

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Those will be associated with your current transformers.

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And that was in this picture here.

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So right here, you have a potential transformer

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on the primary side.

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And this is the current transformer

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on the primary side.

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These here are just current transformers.

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And they're usually put inside the transformer or CT can.

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They're only measuring the secondary voltage

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opposed to the primary voltage, which is this.

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Thank you.

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You bet.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Could you please explain-- could you go to page three?

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And could you explain the difference

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between the non-disconnect and the disconnect?

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Does non-disconnect-- my assumption

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is that that simply means it has to be disconnected

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manually?

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That is correct.

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That's correct.

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When we initially rolled out the MI program,

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we only focused the disconnect meters

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on our multifamily dwellings.

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So a lot of the residential single-family homes

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just have a regular AMI meter without the remote disconnect

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.

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So we do still have to have a technician

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go out to disconnect that meter or to turn that meter on.

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OK.

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So why-- could you explain why it is primarily

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multifamily residents that have the remote disconnect?

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Is there a reason for that?

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At that time, we were targeting the apartment complexes

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because we have the two universities.

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And we have such a flux each spring and fall of residents

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moving in and moving out.

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So we thought we would get our bigger bang for our buck.

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Also, at the time that we began this,

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the remote disconnect meter was considerably more

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than just the regular meter.

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So we were trying to spend those dollars wisely.

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The remote disconnect costs more.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Yes, ma'am.

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So that was going to be my next question about the

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difference

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in cost.

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And what's the difference in cost?

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Right now-- well, at that time, it

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was probably a difference of about $70 or $80

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between the two.

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Now that price has come down.

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So in this proposal, all the meters we purchase

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will have the remote disconnect.

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We will no longer purchase a meter

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without the remote disconnect.

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OK.

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OK.

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They will all now have the remote disconnect.

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Yes, ma'am.

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OK.

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So the thinking in the past was because the multifamily

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accounts-- and I've seen before in our customer service

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data

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that multifamily accounts are overall more likely to get

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their power shut off statistically.

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Yes, yes.

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At the time, though, we were just

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looking at the workload of actually doing the connects

353
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and disconnects and rolling the trucks.

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So we're just cutting down on the number of truck rolls.

355
00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:27,279
Yeah, so now everybody will have those.

356
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Moving forward.

357
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Yes, ma'am.

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As we're doing it now, any time that we have a maintenance

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ticket or we have to turn on a meter or turn off a meter,

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we'll-- especially if it's a residential meter 200 amp,

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we'll replace that meter with a remote disconnect meter.

362
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So really, the remote disconnect is primarily

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for higher turnover type meters.

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I mean, because you have basically multifamily,

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you may have a six month or 12 month lease,

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and then it changes over in tenants.

367
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Yes.

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That was the thought initially.

369
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Now the reason why we're going to all remote meters

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is because we're trying to position ourselves

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to be ready for, first of all, our prepaid metering

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that we may roll out this summer.

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And then also, if we ever go to a time of use metering,

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that would be essential as well.

375
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OK.

376
00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:22,720
All right.

377
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Question, Charlie.

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00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,119
Do you know or can you conject why we only

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had one bidder for the meters?

380
00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:32,640
One bidder for the meters?

381
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,599
Actually, we have-- I think there's--

382
00:17:36,599 --> 00:17:40,480
Are you only showing prices for the winning bids

383
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on your bid sheet?

384
00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:42,839
On the tabulation sheet?

385
00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:43,119
Yeah.

386
00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,839
Sorry, I don't have that in front of me.

387
00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:47,960
You're talking section A and section B.

388
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,480
There's only one bidder.

389
00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,480
Was that the annex here?

390
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,559
Yes.

391
00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:58,200
I don't understand why we only had one.

392
00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,400
Brandon, do you know?

393
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No.

394
00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:05,319
Brandon, this is Brandon Hamby, our electric meter manager.

395
00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:07,400
He was in on the process.

396
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,279
OK.

397
00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:10,759
We sent the bid out, and we gave them

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the criteria of what we wanted for our electric meters.

399
00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:17,920
They had an opportunity to bid or pass on that section.

400
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And the most vendors passed on that section

401
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except for that one bidder.

402
00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,839
So we sent it out to--

403
00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:28,720
I can't remember how many companies we sent to-- over 200.

404
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,640
We had about six or seven respond.

405
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,880
Of those six or seven that did respond to the bid,

406
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:41,559
only one of them responded for that section A.

407
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OK.

408
00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:43,880
Other questions?

409
00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:44,880
Pardon?

410
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,119
Aren't we happy he did?

411
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:46,839
Yeah.

412
00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:48,240
Well, yeah, at least we got a bid.

413
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,640
That's true.

414
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Any other questions?

415
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,759
OK.

416
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Is there a motion then for item B?

417
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,279
I recommend approval.

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00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:06,160
Motion approves or second?

419
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,559
Second.

420
00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:11,119
Further discussion?

421
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,119
If not, all in favor say aye.

422
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:13,920
Aye.

423
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,160
Any opposed?

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00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,480
Motion passes.

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00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,359
Item C is to consider recommending adoption

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00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,359
of an ordinance of the city of Denton

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00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,400
approving an easement and right of way agreement

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00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,319
granting 0.857 Area Easement Encore Electric Delivery

429
00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:37,279
Company located in the Moreau Forest Survey

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for the purchase price of $49,630,

431
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which is also known as the ARCO substation.

432
00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:48,059
Yes, sir.

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Good evening, Chairman Robinson and Public Utilities Board.

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I'm Brent Heath, Executive Manager for Energy Delivery.

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00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,039
Here tonight to talk about the ARCO substation and an eas

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ement

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00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:03,160
that we need for two of Encore's transmission lines.

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You might recall ARCO was located on the northeast side

439
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:12,119
of town at the northeast corner of Black Road and Giesling.

440
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,440
ARCO substation, the new one, has been built

441
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and was energized in June of 2016.

442
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,319
And so we're trying to convert-- it

443
00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:22,160
was built adjacent to the old ARCO substation.

444
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,279
So everything is getting moved from the old site

445
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to the new site.

446
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,920
And Encore has one transmission line now,

447
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and they're adding a second one into that.

448
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,640
And so there needs to be an easement across the city

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00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,519
of Denton property for Encore to legally have the rights

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to cross the land to tie into the substation.

451
00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:42,960
And so they've agreed to pay the city of Denton the exact

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00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,240
same

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price per square foot that we paid the landowner originally

454
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when we bought the site, which was, I believe,

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00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:51,160
$1.33 per square foot.

456
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And so we thought that was pretty good,

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00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,559
because we actually bought the land and owned the land,

458
00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:57,519
and they're just going to be getting an easement.

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00:20:57,519 --> 00:20:58,480
Here's a visual diagram.

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On the left-hand side shows the ARCO substation, the old

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00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:02,039
one

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00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:04,359
down in the bottom section.

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00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,480
And this is the outline of where the new station went.

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The reason it got larger is because it does have

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multiple transmission lines.

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I'm kind of like JR.

467
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,119
I'm not sure why it's cutting out up on the screen.

468
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,079
Multiple transmission lines that come into that.

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00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:20,920
Presently, there's three transmission lines, one here

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that comes from the Denton North to ARCO line.

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There's another one here that goes down Black Road

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to the west.

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And there's this Encore line that

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comes down to the old station.

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On the right-hand side shows the new station

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after we energized it in June of 2016.

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This clouded area is the easement that's being asked for.

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Encore kept their line coming in,

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but instead of coming through here,

480
00:21:47,259 --> 00:21:49,119
because that's not used now, they're

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coming across up to this location for the first line

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that they already have.

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There is a second line that's going

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to be going to their NAVO substation out east of town.

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This bay is going to be used in the substation, which

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we did not have the capability to have an interconnection

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with them in the past, but we knew to have

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the room available to do that.

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It also will come down in that same easement

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and tie along the same transmission line.

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00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:25,880
The copy of the easement is right here.

492
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,640
It's 100-foot wide, easement width

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00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880
across the very eastern portion of the city of Denton side.

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From here over to the top left-hand corner

495
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,960
is the substation property where it's built.

496
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,599
So the easement in question is right here

497
00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:44,480
that was shown in the clouded area on the previous slide.

498
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,000
So DME recommends the approval of the Encore easement

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00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,720
to get to the new Arco substation.

500
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,839
And I stand for any questions that you all may have.

501
00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,680
Is aerial easement just for the line,

502
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,440
or they need a road, a physical road as well or something?

503
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,680
There's two poles that are actually out here right now

504
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,759
that have been placed in this one span.

505
00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:12,839
So no poles across here from here down

506
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,400
to where their existing transmission line is at.

507
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,440
So just a single span.

508
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,559
And so they will have to be able to drive underneath it

509
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:21,279
if something should happen.

510
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,640
But the easement allows them the right to access and

511
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:23,759
maintain

512
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:25,000
that transmission line.

513
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,079
The actual poles outside the fence on the city of Denton

514
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,640
property is the point of demarcation.

515
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,640
So the substation, the city of Denton,

516
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,640
DME owns out to the poles.

517
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,599
And then from the pole all the way down here

518
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:42,730
would be Encore's line heading out to the east side of town

519
00:23:42,730 --> 00:23:43,079
.

520
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:44,079
Thank you.

521
00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:45,680
You're welcome.

522
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,559
Other questions?

523
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:52,119
Is there a motion then for item number C?

524
00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:56,720
Second.

525
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,160
We have a motion and a second to approve recommending

526
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:08,559
adoption of the ordinance for item C. Any discussion?

527
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,400
If not, all in favor say aye.

528
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,319
Aye.

529
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:11,880
Any opposed?

530
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,279
Same sign.

531
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,240
Motion passes.

532
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,200
Thank you, Brent.

533
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,279
OK, item D is to consider recommending

534
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,880
formal adoption of a renewable resource plan

535
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,559
for Denton Municipal Utility.

536
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,359
Good evening, chairman and board members.

537
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,279
George Morrow, general manager of DME,

538
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:43,759
here to present kind of a conclusion of the resource

539
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,559
planning process for DME.

540
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,440
As you recall, Enterprise Risk Consulting

541
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,039
prepared a draft renewable resource plan

542
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:57,130
and presented it to the PUB and the city council in October

543
00:24:57,130 --> 00:24:57,519
.

544
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,799
Their purpose at that time was to get some direction

545
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,000
on some key questions and to present preliminary study

546
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,240
results.

547
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,759
Purpose today is to get your support or recommendation

548
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,000
to adopt formally this resource plan

549
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,839
as the results have been finalized.

550
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,119
Those key questions I referred to were, one,

551
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,839
should Denton accelerate renewable resources?

552
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:21,279
The answer we received back, the consultants received back,

553
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:22,039
was yes.

554
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:24,519
Should Denton move forward the date of the 100% renewable

555
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:25,920
goal?

556
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,559
Answer came back to us, yes.

557
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,480
Should Denton delay solar purchases because

558
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,359
of a potential solar tariff?

559
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,319
I think we heard no.

560
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:39,279
And we're hoping to hear some outcome on the solar tariff

561
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,200
legislation or rules pretty soon.

562
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,000
And lastly, should Whitetail, which is our wind resource,

563
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,640
be counted as a renewable resource?

564
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,519
And we heard no.

565
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,640
So those are the guidance that went back to ERC

566
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720
as they pull things together.

567
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,150
I just wanted to give another snapshot of our existing

568
00:25:58,150 --> 00:25:58,319
power

569
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:02,000
resources as of January 2019.

570
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,480
We've got the Whitetail, Bluebell, solar, Santa Rita

571
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,599
wind, and the landfill.

572
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,599
And the point of this slide basically

573
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,160
is that excluding Whitetail, our portfolio

574
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,640
will be 44% renewable as of 2019.

575
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Therefore, if you're looking to go to 100%,

576
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,559
we've got a little ways to go.

577
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:24,480
This snapshot assumes the retirement of Gibbons Creek

578
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,559
on September 30, 2018.

579
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,279
We're moving diligently toward that goal.

580
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:32,880
But that's still an open question.

581
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,640
We've got other partners in that project

582
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,119
that we're trying to get lined up with our expectations.

583
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:46,240
So with that direction, ERC evaluated

584
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,440
what made sense to get to the 100% by 2020.

585
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,119
And they have some key findings.

586
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,240
And you heard this several times during their presentation.

587
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,480
And I'm trying not to be too redundant today.

588
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,039
That solar in a relatively low congestion zone

589
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:01,279
would be preferred.

590
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,319
So that's our number one priority.

591
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:05,160
Coastal wind rated second best.

592
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,160
And you heard why that was, the profiles and so forth.

593
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,799
And that Western wind is a lower rated option

594
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,480
since we've already got a large tranche of Western wind.

595
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,759
And the location is a bit problematic sometimes

596
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:18,039
from a congestion standpoint.

597
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,960
So their final recommendation that came out of the report

598
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,519
that you have before you tonight is that we

599
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,680
moved toward 200 megawatts of solar.

600
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,920
And you know what?

601
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,079
I have somehow a little typo creeped in here.

602
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:35,799
You can't really get good help sometimes.

603
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,119
And 100 megawatts of wind.

604
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,039
So originally, their preliminary--

605
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:40,079
and I did this myself.

606
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:45,519
So you got to have a sense of humor, I think.

607
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,440
So originally, they thought maybe 150 megawatts of wind

608
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:48,960
made sense.

609
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,759
But in the final analysis, kind of pushed up

610
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:52,759
the solar a little bit, the wind down.

611
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:54,960
So we're looking at 200 megawatts of solar

612
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,720
and 150 megawatts of wind as being

613
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,160
the preferred recommendation.

614
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,400
And it's going to depend on the bids that come back.

615
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:07,200
So we have an existing RFP out on the street,

616
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,079
kind of in the final conclusions of deciding which of those

617
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,359
offers we're going to pursue.

618
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,599
And there were, as was presented earlier,

619
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,799
a lot of different projects out there, a lot of firms that

620
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:20,640
bid.

621
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,160
In fact, 40 firms, 84 unique projects

622
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,660
with a whole lot of iterations when

623
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:30,039
you look at the time periods, the locations, the amounts.

624
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:35,960
So we'll be moving forward on one of those

625
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,400
and probably coming back to you in the next two months

626
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,880
with a recommendation following negotiation of a contract

627
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,480
with the preferred vendor.

628
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,440
And next, we'll have some additional renewable RFPs.

629
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,440
So probably two will focus solar, will focus wind.

630
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,559
And one thing I wanted to mention today,

631
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,359
I think you heard it at the last presentation,

632
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,599
is there's a possibility of including others

633
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:02,240
in with our project.

634
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Some of the sizes that it takes to make a project happen

635
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,279
are pretty large.

636
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,319
Sometimes it makes sense to diversify and not put

637
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:10,680
of all of our eggs in one basket.

638
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,779
So we're looking at the possibility of partnering

639
00:29:13,779 --> 00:29:16,359
with some other agencies, maybe even getting involved

640
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,160
in some of their RFPs.

641
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,279
We had one agency talk to us about, hey,

642
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:21,880
they're putting an RFP on the street,

643
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
and would we like to consider joining their project?

644
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,880
So if you have any input or perspective on that now

645
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,039
or later, let me know.

646
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,759
I wanted to talk briefly, one of the large subjects

647
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,839
in the renewable plan was the Denton Energy Center.

648
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:41,119
I wanted to give you an update.

649
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,559
It's 89% complete.

650
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,559
We're staffing that plan as we speak.

651
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,650
Anticipate that operating early summer on a commercial

652
00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:51,359
basis.

653
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,160
And I think the plan was very fair about its treatment

654
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:54,640
of the deck.

655
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,579
It will provide a hedge against the price spikes that you

656
00:29:59,579 --> 00:29:59,680
'll

657
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,799
see in the air-cut market.

658
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,200
In fact, we saw some large price spikes in the last week

659
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,720
as the cold front kind of swept through our area.

660
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,519
And it's possible.

661
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,720
You've heard about some of the retirements out there

662
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,119
of the big coal units, some of the larger, older natural

663
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:14,319
gas

664
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:15,359
units.

665
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,440
As they get retired, it may dramatically increase in value.

666
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,200
And that's going to be staff's objective,

667
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,519
is to look at all options to try to enhance

668
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:28,160
the value of the deck to the citizens of Denton.

669
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Whitetail, I wanted to talk briefly about Whitetail.

670
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,680
It was an original 2009 contract.

671
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Initially started with-- well, it was 30 megawatts

672
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,920
with an additional 30 megawatts of REX.

673
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Of course, the first 30 megawatts also came with REX.

674
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,559
It's around the clock power.

675
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,079
It's firm power.

676
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:54,279
And in the resource plan, the one

677
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:55,880
that we're asking you to approve today,

678
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,880
it's not considered as a renewable resource.

679
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,519
That has kind of intrigued me as I came on board here.

680
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,440
And I'm doing some additional research on that.

681
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,000
So if I find anything interesting,

682
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,579
I've kind of found a few things that

683
00:31:09,579 --> 00:31:12,400
intrigue me about the nature of this transaction going back

684
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,039
to 2009, and whether it is or it isn't renewable,

685
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,039
and also based on my experience in California,

686
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,079
where we've done a lot of this firmed and shaping with wind

687
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:22,079
.

688
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:24,640
Doesn't necessarily mean it's not renewable.

689
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,559
It just means sometimes it's very complex

690
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,049
to schedule wind that's so transient through the

691
00:31:29,049 --> 00:31:29,599
transmission

692
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,039
network and through the control systems

693
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,720
that we negotiate these a little bit flatter, a little more

694
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,039
manageable delivery points.

695
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:43,640
But sometimes they're still considered as renewable.

696
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,559
So not ready to come forward yet with all the things

697
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,119
that I'm finding in that research,

698
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,200
but probably in the next month or so I'd like to do that,

699
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,240
provided that I have some feeling that a different--

700
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,039
that maybe ERC didn't have perhaps all of the information

701
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,559
that would make sense in that particular evaluation.

702
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:02,960
Yes.

703
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,400
I have a question, and the answer

704
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,880
might be that you don't feel quite ready to answer.

705
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,960
But just to clarify, so are you looking

706
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:19,799
into the question of whether or not whitetail actually

707
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:25,119
has more physical generation than was previously thought,

708
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,680
or are you looking into reconsidering

709
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:38,160
the definition of renewable energy credits as not

710
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,519
counting as renewables?

711
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,039
Does that make sense, my question?

712
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:42,880
Well, I think so.

713
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,240
So the physical part of the whitetail project,

714
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,440
which is the 30 megawatts around the clock,

715
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,400
I think that's what I'm reviewing as being potentially

716
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,400
a renewable resource.

717
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,599
The additional 30 megawatts of recs that we get, no.

718
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:01,759
OK, OK.

719
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:02,400
Clearly not.

720
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,480
OK, so you're looking at that 30%--

721
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,720
The physical 30 megawatts.

722
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,759
I'm going back to 2009.

723
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:11,680
What were the party's intentions at the time?

724
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,119
Why did it become a firm transaction versus a run

725
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:18,559
of the wind kind of project?

726
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,470
And there were some reasons that I think I found behind

727
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:22,400
that.

728
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,680
There were some representations made by Nextera,

729
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,880
the entity who built that project that I

730
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,559
want to get some second and third opinions on that I

731
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,640
think you'd find interesting.

732
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:47,240
And so yes, I think it's worth another discussion perhaps.

733
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,640
And I'm part way up the slope, and I'd

734
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,400
like to kind of save all the ammunition until I get there,

735
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
keep the powder dry for the moment.

736
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,200
And I have a kind of follow-up question to that,

737
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,359
unless anybody else has any questions about whitetail.

738
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:04,440
While we're on whitetail--

739
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,799
Yeah, yeah.

740
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:11,000
Yeah, I think-- well, no.

741
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,320
The direction or whatever that--

742
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,440
stated intention both by PB and council

743
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,760
is that when we call it renewable,

744
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,400
it needs to be renewable.

745
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,559
And not be-- I'm not saying there's--

746
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,119
it's not a bait and switch, but what maybe

747
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:33,639
seemed like renewable in 2009 may not be now.

748
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:41,239
But yeah, if the firm part is actually renewable,

749
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,960
then that's great.

750
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,559
If there's some gray area there, it

751
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,840
means more to me to be--

752
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Correct.

753
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,519
Correct, as opposed to another percentage point.

754
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,440
When you say firm, you mean physical?

755
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,679
Physical, yeah, physical energy.

756
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,960
Got it, got it.

757
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,000
So and then my other question about this

758
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,800
was when you say that staff is working on it,

759
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,480
do you mean DME staff in addition to the consultants

760
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,599
or DME staff plus you're looking at-- because you had said

761
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,320
something a moment ago about second and third opinions

762
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360
from other sources?

763
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,079
So the process I think I'd like to undertake

764
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:31,000
is I'm heading up the review for myself.

765
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,800
I'm the new person here, and I want

766
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,079
to get a little more data on that,

767
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,719
because I'm used to firmed and shaped wind as being

768
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,239
renewable.

769
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,840
So that was kind of my starting point.

770
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,400
So when I saw a firm that would call firm and shaped

771
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:43,840
resource

772
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,679
here from the Wolf Ridge Wind Project,

773
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,679
and I think, hey, it's worth a little more.

774
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:54,000
Before I come to the utility board and council, if I do,

775
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,159
if it meets what I think you'd be interested in,

776
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,989
I'll work with ERC and see if we can get a meeting of the

777
00:36:01,989 --> 00:36:02,320
minds

778
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,679
a little bit different than what was presented to you

779
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:05,360
earlier,

780
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,960
or at least get their perspective.

781
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000
And their perspective may not change.

782
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,480
If I have a different perspective,

783
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,199
I'm just going to tell you what I think,

784
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,159
and we kind of go from there.

785
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:17,039
Thank you.

786
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,960
And I was wondering, since we have our enterprise

787
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,559
consultants

788
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,480
here, if it would be appropriate,

789
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:32,920
if they would feel prepared to speak to this issue.

790
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,199
I sense that they're probably aware of the kind of debates

791
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:40,039
about whether this 30% should count or not.

792
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,039
Well, I mean, I heard what they had to say.

793
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,920
And I'm taking that into account.

794
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,440
I watched the PUB meeting, and I watched the city council

795
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,480
meeting related to Whitetail.

796
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,440
And I heard the perspectives, and I

797
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,039
heard their expressions.

798
00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,719
So I think my opinion is there might be some information

799
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,449
relevant to that decision, even support some of the

800
00:37:04,449 --> 00:37:04,840
statements

801
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,960
I heard from ERC that would make this a renewable resource.

802
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Why am I pursuing that?

803
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,639
First off, it's got to be renewable.

804
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,719
We'd have to all agree that that's really

805
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,800
what's going on here, and that we're

806
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,840
credible in that conclusion if we get to that point.

807
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,039
But there's a lot of cost at stake

808
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,000
if that is not a renewable resource.

809
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Now, that's 30 megawatts around the clock,

810
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,599
262,000 megawatt hours that basically

811
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,030
are going to be over and above what we need to serve our

812
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:38,360
load

813
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,840
that we'll have to put out to the market.

814
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,159
We'll have to liquidate it, and we'll liquidate it

815
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,000
at some sense on the dollar.

816
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,119
So that kind of also got me interested.

817
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,199
It's worth, in my opinion, for me

818
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:53,039
to spend a little more time on that

819
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,960
to see if I come to the same conclusion.

820
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,199
I could give you some additional information right now,

821
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,880
but I'd kind of like to save it and open it up another time

822
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,119
.

823
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,559
And that was my guess that it probably

824
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,760
was about the cost issue, that there was already

825
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,719
a commitment to this.

826
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,440
No, cost did not factor in.

827
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,800
It cost got me interested.

828
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Oh, OK, I see.

829
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480
OK.

830
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,760
That was why you--

831
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,280
it was a little bit intriguing to me.

832
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,679
There's a lot at stake from that standpoint.

833
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,039
And then again is my experience with firm to shape

834
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:29,599
resources

835
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:36,559
in the West that these are considered as renewable.

836
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:41,309
The recs we do get for that 30 megawatts come from Wolf

837
00:38:41,309 --> 00:38:42,280
Ridge.

838
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,639
When you look at the scale and the size of that Wolf Ridge

839
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,599
project, it is very similar to that 30 megawatts.

840
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,960
If you were to collapse it down to a straight delivery,

841
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,360
it would roughly equal that, maybe a tiny bit more.

842
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,760
I think initially it was going to be a run

843
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,440
of the mill type resource.

844
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,639
We had a third party at that time managing our QSE.

845
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,119
That wasn't what I hear, and again, I

846
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,079
want some more verification.

847
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,760
They weren't able to deal with that transit

848
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,869
nature of that resource at that time way back in those days

849
00:39:17,869 --> 00:39:18,079
.

850
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,480
And so out of that discussion came, well,

851
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,400
maybe we should just modify the schedules,

852
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,639
take it around the clock.

853
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,039
But the intention would be it was a resource

854
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:29,719
from that location.

855
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,159
Clearly today some folks have abuse recs.

856
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:36,639
The prices have gotten very cheap.

857
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,840
And you can make yourself look more green probably

858
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,760
than you deserve by saying, hey, I'm

859
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360
going to take a natural gas resource

860
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:52,119
and pair it up with some low price recs and call it green.

861
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,800
And there's some of that happening,

862
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,719
but that isn't what happened with this resource.

863
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,280
They're not $0.50 or $1 recs, which

864
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,039
is kind of what the market is today.

865
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,079
These are expensive recs and consistent

866
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,599
with the value, the renewable value of that resource

867
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:09,360
back in those days.

868
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,079
We still pay a lot for the recs associated

869
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,429
with that, consistent again with what the cost was at the

870
00:40:15,429 --> 00:40:15,760
time.

871
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:25,840
So I'd like to pull a little more pieces together.

872
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,039
I think it's not just a spiritual issue.

873
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,199
I think there's some serious professional technical reasons

874
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:39,119
why maybe we ought to at least have one more discussion.

875
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:40,159
Thank you so much.

876
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:40,679
Thank you.

877
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:41,159
Thank you.

878
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,280
Thank you.

879
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Other questions?

880
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,159
What's the term of that contract?

881
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,460
It expires at the end of 2023, so we're looking at another

882
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:50,639
five

883
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,159
or six years.

884
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,440
And you can see-- the reason I put this back up there

885
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,760
is to show sort of what that resource does for us.

886
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:05,039
You can see our load in the purple here, if that's purple.

887
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:09,840
And this piece up here represents the white tail.

888
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,679
So that's well above our load.

889
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:16,679
And it would basically all have to be sold to the market.

890
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,719
And if it could be considered renewable,

891
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,960
that would be legitimately considered.

892
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,239
Then that would be a benefit and help

893
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,679
us get to our goals a little bit quicker if we can do that.

894
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,000
So like I said, I mentioned I thought

895
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,800
it was worth my time to spend a little bit of work on that,

896
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,840
being kind of the new person in town.

897
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,530
And I don't know if I'll get to the top of the mountain or

898
00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:42,280
not.

899
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,199
I agree.

900
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,280
I think the real--

901
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,480
the risk reward here is if they can be considered renew

902
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,280
ables.

903
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:04,760
Because if they can't be considered, then we have a--

904
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:10,079
I noted there's like an 18% over purchase

905
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,639
to make up to that to do the early adoption plan.

906
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:17,400
And so obviously, you've got to weigh the cost of that

907
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,949
versus the risk of, OK, we don't do the early adoption plan

908
00:42:20,949 --> 00:42:20,960
.

909
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,719
So we're not 100% in 2020.

910
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,159
But what is the risk of waiting for the market

911
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:30,239
for that period of time?

912
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,480
So I'm curious to see what you come up with there.

913
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,239
And we can make that decision when we need to.

914
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:39,840
Got it.

915
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,639
Yeah, there's that piece also on the economics.

916
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:48,280
So I think ERC did answer the question,

917
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,760
what is the impact economically of that?

918
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,239
And I recall a number in the six or seven or eight million

919
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,920
per year for that period that we're talking about.

920
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,639
And that's roughly what I calculate, too.

921
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,039
It's almost $0.06 resource selling in a market that's

922
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:03,320
not even $0.03.

923
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,760
So that's your cost and that's your recovery

924
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,840
for that resource.

925
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,079
But again, I'm not thinking economics necessarily.

926
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,119
It's like a little extra incentive maybe

927
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,920
to at least do the research.

928
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,420
Sure.

929
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:27,880
So that's whitetail.

930
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,360
[LAUGHTER]

931
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,079
And thank you for letting me bring that up

932
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:33,039
and have that discussion.

933
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:33,539
Absolutely.

934
00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:36,480
And catch your thoughts.

935
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,800
So just going to roll this up here.

936
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,400
Renewable resource plan has been developed for Denton.

937
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,280
You had a very detailed conversation

938
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,639
about that in October.

939
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,800
Again, the goal is to achieve 100% renewable no later

940
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,800
than 2020.

941
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,519
The highest rated renewable is solar in the right location,

942
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,760
followed by coastal wind.

943
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,760
And I totally agree with those findings.

944
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,480
We're evaluating the existing RFPs offers for renewable

945
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,760
and planning some additional RFPs in the future

946
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,800
for solar and wind, perhaps in conjunction

947
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,199
with some other cities.

948
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,960
And what I'm asking for is that you

949
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,840
consider recommending formal adoption

950
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,719
of the renewable resource plan by the Denton City Council

951
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:36,079
and whether we consider whitetail renewable or not.

952
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:37,760
And this time frame is not critical,

953
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,719
because we have time before we really

954
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,639
get the full commitment in that second round of renewable.

955
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:48,480
So we have a little bit of time if we come forward again

956
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,199
for that discussion.

957
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:54,360
So the RFPs we have out now we'll

958
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,800
be able to look at at what point do you think?

959
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:05,960
So we're at the pinnacle of choosing the low bidder,

960
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,639
very complex evaluation, a lot of offers and matrices.

961
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:11,880
We want to be correct.

962
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,719
We're getting ready to engage that low bidder

963
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,440
and have a discussion about contract terms

964
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,960
and confirming that that offer is still available.

965
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,840
Maybe it's gotten better or maybe not.

966
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,679
So we'll find out if they can stand with their proposal.

967
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,159
I'm hoping that they can, and I suspect they will.

968
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:31,760
And then closing up that contract and bring it back.

969
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:38,360
So I'm guessing we're out another possibly 45 days or so.

970
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,480
OK, that's fine.

971
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,840
So in the near future.

972
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,679
And we'll probably wait right around that time

973
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:44,920
before we issue that next tranche,

974
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,639
see what we have under our belt, and go forward

975
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:49,559
with some others.

976
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:57,679
So we're going to get contracts committed to do the 100%

977
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:58,480
sometime this year.

978
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,679
That's kind of the plan.

979
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,840
Some of those projects won't get built or operating

980
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,320
for another year or two.

981
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,400
It could be into 2020 for some of the projects

982
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,920
actually get constructed.

983
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,079
But we'll have that contract in hand.

984
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,579
That's the expectation this calendar year, this fiscal year

985
00:46:14,579 --> 00:46:15,239
.

986
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,840
OK.

987
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,280
Other questions?

988
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:26,440
Yeah, in the full 86 page report,

989
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,840
there was one question.

990
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,400
So most of the questions that are listed in that report

991
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,320
got touched on.

992
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,719
There was one-- I was wondering if you could elaborate

993
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,519
on a little bit more.

994
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:45,280
And this is on page 20 in the full report.

995
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,719
Are you able to put that on there,

996
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,559
or would that take too much time?

997
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,559
Is that complicated?

998
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,199
I could probably do it.

999
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:54,000
Never mind that.

1000
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,239
If it would take any more time.

1001
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,079
If it was just a press of button, that's fine.

1002
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:58,000
I'll just read it.

1003
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,280
We have a copy of the presentation

1004
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,280
that you saw last time, but I didn't have the--

1005
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,159
The full report.

1006
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:02,679
Yeah.

1007
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:03,760
Well, so it's on page--

1008
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,199
I mean, the rest of PUB can see it.

1009
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:06,239
It's on page 20.

1010
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,199
So you're back up.

1011
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,199
Yeah, in the back.

1012
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,079
Exhibit two-- I mean, the public can see it too.

1013
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,280
It's exhibit two, Denton Renewable Resource Plan.

1014
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,360
But on page 20, the second to last question

1015
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,480
was, should Denton purchase additional renewable supplies

1016
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,239
above its target levels because of the annual variance

1017
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,880
in production amounts?

1018
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,320
I was wondering if you could speak to that a little bit

1019
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:36,039
because that was one of the questions that we haven't

1020
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:40,800
already been over, at least not in that iteration.

1021
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Yes, I'm happy to give you some thoughts.

1022
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,280
So to me, achieving 100% means that we've

1023
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,360
contracted for renewables, renewable energy,

1024
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,559
equal to our annual load.

1025
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,119
So if our annual load was, if you recall,

1026
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,880
1.5 million kilowatt hours, I think,

1027
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,800
was the projection for 2019.

1028
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,909
If we contract for 1.5 million kilowatt hours of renewables

1029
00:48:08,909 --> 00:48:09,199
,

1030
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:15,480
that is what is typically considered as 100% renewable.

1031
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,480
So we match up those two numbers.

1032
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,920
Now, will there be some hours of the year that we're over?

1033
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,079
Yes, and we'll have to liquidate that.

1034
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,079
Will there be some hours of the year we're under?

1035
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,639
Yes, and we'll have to purchase some additional.

1036
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,280
But I think the one way to calculate that, the one

1037
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,039
that I would think makes the--

1038
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:42,800
one that I'm most familiar with is energy versus energy,

1039
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,840
1.5 million versus 1.5 million.

1040
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,880
So where it gets complicated, you

1041
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,239
start talking about capacity.

1042
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,659
And then you say, oh, did you take

1043
00:48:50,659 --> 00:48:53,559
into account that that megawatt is not going to really give

1044
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:53,800
you--

1045
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,960
it's not going to really operate 8,000, 760 hours

1046
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,039
and all that kind of stuff.

1047
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,800
So it's easier to just go to the energy associated

1048
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,239
with those contracts and match that with the energy

1049
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,280
you're serving customers.

1050
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,639
So every single kilowatt hour we sell in Denton

1051
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,639
is intended to be matched up with a kilowatt hour

1052
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:10,559
of renewable.

1053
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:14,360
And that's how we would, in my opinion, define 100%.

1054
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,079
OK, thanks.

1055
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:16,920
So this is just so it--

1056
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,039
that confirms my sense that this is just enough.

1057
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,000
This is not something-- this is not a brand new question.

1058
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,320
This is a just kind of slightly different wording of issues

1059
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:31,039
that we've already been over with the consultants.

1060
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:31,539
Right.

1061
00:49:31,539 --> 00:49:32,719
And I should have mentioned that--

1062
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,280
So that's great.

1063
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,239
Our great consultants are here today.

1064
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,239
And they'd be happy to get up and talk at length

1065
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,360
and follow up on some of the other things.

1066
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,960
And I thought it was a great dialogue

1067
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,960
that the board had with them.

1068
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,320
And it was educational for me.

1069
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,199
And hopefully it was interesting for the public and for you

1070
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:51,880
at the same time.

1071
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,760
OK.

1072
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,719
We do have a motion and a second.

1073
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,440
Any other discussion?

1074
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,800
Mr. Chairman, before you go on your vote,

1075
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,639
I wanted to let you all know the board.

1076
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,920
About 3 o'clock today, just before 3 o'clock,

1077
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,960
Mr. James Ornstein from Duncanville, Texas

1078
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,280
had emailed me and asked me to pass some information

1079
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,480
onto the board.

1080
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,840
I apologize for the late hour.

1081
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,960
But I just wanted to pass this information on

1082
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,960
as you look to the proposal you have in front of you.

1083
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,559
I just wanted to pass this--

1084
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:26,059
[INAUDIBLE]

1085
00:50:26,059 --> 00:50:27,159
--to the board.

1086
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:34,119
James Ornstein, he's from Duncanville, Texas.

1087
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,619
And--

1088
00:50:36,619 --> 00:50:37,119
Sir?

1089
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,400
[INAUDIBLE]

1090
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,639
Well, he asked me to pass it onto the PUB.

1091
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:43,400
So I'm doing so--

1092
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,480
Yeah, that's the way to--

1093
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,559
Actually, I've read-- there are some suggestions in here.

1094
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,880
A lot of things we're doing already

1095
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,760
in our overall energy program.

1096
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:04,599
And so since it came so late in the day, it couldn't be--

1097
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,360
it looks like he may be in the industry.

1098
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,360
I don't know.

1099
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,119
I have no idea.

1100
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:09,679
But anyway--

1101
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:11,880
This is something, by the way, that I

1102
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,440
would encourage for any public watching

1103
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,320
that if you want to communicate with the PUB,

1104
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,159
our individual emails aren't on the website.

1105
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:24,719
And we don't have official city emails.

1106
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,800
But through contacting the assistant city manager,

1107
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,599
I would think any staff and just requesting--

1108
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,440
and if it's deemed appropriate, then it

1109
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,400
would go to all of public utility board.

1110
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,079
So I had some--

1111
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:43,760
Oh, that's right.

1112
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,719
We were about to--

1113
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,599
We didn't make a vote.

1114
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:50,320
We didn't make an actual-- make a motion for discussion.

1115
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:50,880
Actually--

1116
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,760
Or have discussion before making a motion.

1117
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,239
We do have a motion in a second.

1118
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,480
So--

1119
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,639
Yeah, no, no.

1120
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:58,760
We didn't--

1121
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,960
OK, then I will call.

1122
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,599
Is there a motion for item--

1123
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:04,880
To vote?

1124
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,599
To vote?

1125
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,159
We have a motion for approval.

1126
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,480
I thought we were going to have discussion before--

1127
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,039
Well, we will.

1128
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,000
After we have a first motion in a second.

1129
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,760
Yes, just checking.

1130
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,119
A second.

1131
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,280
OK, motion in a second.

1132
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,280
Discussion.

1133
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:24,840
It's now.

1134
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,639
No, I know.

1135
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:26,880
I was waiting.

1136
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,360
I want to see if any-- be gracious,

1137
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,280
see if anybody else wants to speak.

1138
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,119
Obviously, I have some--

1139
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:34,360
[INAUDIBLE]

1140
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,840
Yeah, so several things, both for my colleagues on PUB

1141
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,400
and also for the public that I wanted

1142
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,719
to point out about the full report,

1143
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,320
because it's 86 pages.

1144
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,159
And most people in the public wouldn't

1145
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:51,679
have the time to read that.

1146
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,119
But there were a number of points

1147
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,039
that I found really interesting that I wanted

1148
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:57,599
to call people's attention to.

1149
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,119
And for anyone in the public following along,

1150
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,360
it's on the agenda exhibit too.

1151
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,559
So one, this is about the Denton Energy Center.

1152
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:19,440
And this is on pages 10 and 11 and 13 in the full report.

1153
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,360
And I'm just calling attention to what's already

1154
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,840
here in the report.

1155
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:34,159
So on page 10, this is right under the bottom of page 10,

1156
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:36,960
right under reporting and summary analysis.

1157
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,519
The statement, the Denton Energy Center

1158
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:44,079
will play a role in Denton's renewable resource portfolio

1159
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,920
as a cost hedge during certain super high priced hours.

1160
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,440
This is not necessarily new to us,

1161
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,920
because we've heard this from the presentations

1162
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,960
from enterprise consulting.

1163
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,199
But it's really important to get this information out here

1164
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:10,440
to the public, because in relatively recent memory,

1165
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,000
there have been some misinformation

1166
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,119
disseminated about this and what the purpose was of the gas

1167
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,960
plant.

1168
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,679
So they say, and I'm just reading here,

1169
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:34,000
an example of when the DEC would be dispatched rather than

1170
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:34,400
using

1171
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,719
DAM purchases to hedge a supply shortfall is in figure ES3.

1172
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,239
And there's a really helpful illustration of that.

1173
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,039
During a peak demand month such as August, the DEC,

1174
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:50,170
that's the gas plant, might be dispatched about half the

1175
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:50,840
time.

1176
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,000
So it might be dispatched half the time.

1177
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,920
So that just underscores--

1178
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:02,559
in my reading of this is how little the gas plant is needed

1179
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:02,559
.

1180
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:08,519
And it is, in my view, reading this,

1181
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:10,519
it's a bittersweet feeling, because I really

1182
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:12,599
appreciate this information, which

1183
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:15,599
makes a lot of sense to me.

1184
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,320
But it's also sad that we've made this financial commitment

1185
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:18,320
.

1186
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:26,320
And I'm looking forward to looking into ways

1187
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,800
that we can minimize the gas plant and its impact

1188
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:38,000
and eventually get rid of it, because of it's just really

1189
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:38,320
not

1190
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,400
being hardly useful at all.

1191
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,800
That's not in the report, by the way.

1192
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,719
That's your opinion?

1193
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,840
Oh, absolutely, which is why I stated--

1194
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,039
I just want to make sure that was--

1195
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:50,880
Which is why I stated that this is my--

1196
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:51,519
For the public.

1197
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:52,280
That was my reading.

1198
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,000
For the public.

1199
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,719
I want them to know that was what that was.

1200
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,039
Oh, absolutely, which is why I said

1201
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:57,039
that's my interpretation.

1202
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:58,039
So I'm trying to be clear.

1203
00:55:58,039 --> 00:55:59,280
So thank you for clarifying that.

1204
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,960
Yeah.

1205
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,679
Let's see.

1206
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:06,079
And then it goes on into a difference in pricing.

1207
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,840
On page 13, and this is under takeaway,

1208
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,840
the DEC will serve a role as a cost supply hedge

1209
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,519
to firm debt and renewable resource portfolio.

1210
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:18,440
But based on the financial evaluation in this resource

1211
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,360
plan, the majority of firming the supply portfolio

1212
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,480
will be more economically efficient

1213
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,159
through purchases in the dam.

1214
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:29,119
Denton should look for opportunities to sell

1215
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:32,480
a portion of the DEC forward during national gas or heat

1216
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,800
rate spikes and for opportunities

1217
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,400
to sell firming services, et cetera, et cetera.

1218
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,519
So this is just reiterating for the public.

1219
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,920
And I know those of us in PUB, we've been over this a lot

1220
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,719
with the consultants.

1221
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:49,840
But just to make sure that that's clear to people.

1222
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,119
Another thing, only because, number one,

1223
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,519
so much money went into the gas plant,

1224
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:58,360
and also so much great effort went into this report,

1225
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,559
I feel like it's worth the time to just call attention

1226
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:04,480
to some aspects of it.

1227
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,719
On item-- let's see.

1228
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,280
It's from that same-- oh, shoot.

1229
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:21,119
Can we call the vote?

1230
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:22,119
Yeah.

1231
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,480
This really-- I know this is--

1232
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,679
you want to get these things out from the report.

1233
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:28,280
I know that.

1234
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,239
But I don't know what the relevance is,

1235
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:34,000
whether we're going to adopt this or not.

1236
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:39,880
Well, if I may, I just have just a few things

1237
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,840
that I would like to say that I believe are relevant,

1238
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,920
because they're actually coming from the report.

1239
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,800
And then there are a couple things from this,

1240
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,559
which was also sent to me that I want to reiterate,

1241
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:53,519
since this just came to us.

1242
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:55,719
But this isn't on the agenda, though.

1243
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:56,199
No, no, no.

1244
00:57:56,199 --> 00:58:02,400
But it's a member of the public responding to this report.

1245
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,119
From somebody who lives in a completely different city.

1246
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:06,800
So is that not allowed?

1247
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,599
I'm just saying it's not on the agenda

1248
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,800
to discuss it in this meeting.

1249
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,360
And it's from somebody who doesn't even live in the city.

1250
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,159
So I'm not sure how much time we need to give it.

1251
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,159
So public-- so just to clarify.

1252
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:23,880
So public input from somebody who doesn't live in Denton

1253
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,079
is not considered relevant?

1254
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,320
Certainly not on the agenda to discuss it

1255
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,079
during this meeting, right?

1256
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:35,960
I'm asking the chair, our assistant city manager.

1257
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,840
Well, I think some information we receive at the meeting,

1258
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,880
I don't know that it's--

1259
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,480
we really need to stick with what our backup says.

1260
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,239
OK, well, this is--

1261
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:52,320
If at some point in time, I think

1262
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,750
somebody would take the time to write an email and give

1263
00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:55,159
input,

1264
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:59,039
I think we owe it to look at it and listen to it.

1265
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,519
I do think that had we had this--

1266
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,960
had this been part of the backup prior to--

1267
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,519
that was published.

1268
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,800
OK, so members of the public should

1269
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,719
make sure to get their comments in on the backup.

1270
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,639
It's not enough for them to just communicate with us.

1271
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,360
Is that what you're saying?

1272
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,719
I'm not sure members of the public

1273
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:19,920
have direct access to our agenda.

1274
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,360
I think we have to agree to allow something on our agenda

1275
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,639
to be discussed.

1276
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,880
If you just-- we don't know who this gentleman is.

1277
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,280
We don't know that this--

1278
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,519
We're representing the--

1279
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:30,719
sorry to drag this up.

1280
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:32,320
We're representing the public.

1281
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,320
We're representing the city of Denton Public, not

1282
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,400
the Duncanville guy that works for a solar company.

1283
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,480
But it just so happens, OK, that this information that I

1284
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:45,880
saw

1285
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,119
is actually important to me and to other members

1286
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:52,159
of our Denton public.

1287
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,400
I'm a member of the Denton public.

1288
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,840
I have also been speaking to members of the Denton public

1289
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,800
and communicating with them about these issues.

1290
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,840
And I have some things that I wanted to share.

1291
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,199
And I can appreciate that, but what we typically do

1292
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:05,840
is we get backup information on Friday.

1293
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,880
We have an opportunity to look over it,

1294
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,639
to be prepared to discuss it.

1295
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:11,760
That didn't happen with this particular item.

1296
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,639
So I don't think we should really bring it up.

1297
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:15,239
It doesn't happen with any--

1298
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:16,840
I don't mind sitting listening to what

1299
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,920
you think about the report that we got,

1300
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,320
because it's actually on our agenda.

1301
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,119
OK, OK, so this is what I think about the report then.

1302
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:28,599
I really appreciate the paragraph

1303
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,599
about customer satisfaction.

1304
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:34,159
And I would encourage members of the public to read that.

1305
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,719
And I would urge the new DME general manager

1306
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:46,960
to gauge residential customer satisfaction at all income

1307
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,199
levels and type without privileging

1308
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,420
any one class of customers and see what we can do to

1309
01:00:52,420 --> 01:00:52,800
improve

1310
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,199
customer service.

1311
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,159
If you read the report, there's really good--

1312
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,519
I'm talking about-- this is in the report that you were--

1313
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:05,679
yeah, about how, yes, we have no competition,

1314
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:07,800
but it's still important to keep rates--

1315
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,440
to keep our rates competitive and to factor that in when

1316
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,400
we're looking into our renewable plan in any aspect of DME,

1317
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,440
because people are coming in from elsewhere

1318
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,800
and they're making comparisons between our rates

1319
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,639
and other rates.

1320
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:26,119
So I really appreciated having that in the presentation.

1321
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:30,280
I just wanted to thank staff and the consultants

1322
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,920
for that.

1323
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,199
And so finally, I just wanted to say

1324
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:41,800
that I would like to see us set targets for decommissioning

1325
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,840
the debt and energy center, because the evidence

1326
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,960
in this report and the evidence that we've seen before

1327
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,059
seems to suggest that could we go back in time, which we

1328
01:01:53,059 --> 01:01:53,800
can't?

1329
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,599
It wouldn't have been the best purchase.

1330
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,920
So I would like to see this being factored in

1331
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:08,980
as we move forward, and also to look into purchasing and

1332
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:09,519
setting

1333
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,960
up some actual renewable generation,

1334
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,000
either here in Denton or simply owned--

1335
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,159
actually owned by Denton, including the possibility

1336
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,719
of converting part of the gas plant

1337
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,840
into the future into renewable generation, which

1338
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,199
is something that I'm not going to pretend to be an expert

1339
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:30,480
in that,

1340
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,800
but I know that that technology is out there.

1341
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,000
So thank you for your time.

1342
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,719
And hearing that, I know that took a while,

1343
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,760
but this gas plant, the most expensive purchase

1344
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,719
in all of Denton history, this renewable stuff

1345
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,920
is really exciting and a big deal.

1346
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,480
People put a lot of time into making this report.

1347
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,679
Anyway, and I truly appreciate all of the public input

1348
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:49,239
that I got.

1349
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,320
So I thank the members of the public

1350
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,559
for communicating with us.

1351
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,719
So anyway, thank you.

1352
01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:59,079
Apologies for taking so much time with that.

1353
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:02,239
It's not necessarily to apologize, but you know what?

1354
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,440
I actually take a little bit of offense

1355
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:11,360
at you pushing an agenda to decommission something that

1356
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,280
isn't even running yet that everybody in this room

1357
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,679
has spent hours and hours and hours discussing.

1358
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:19,800
And you use almost every opportunity

1359
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,119
you can to talk about how you want to stop something.

1360
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:28,159
And at the same time, you also provide a little bit

1361
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:33,320
of misinformation when you do--

1362
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,159
even what you just said.

1363
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:36,199
There was misinformation.

1364
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:37,360
So what misinformation?

1365
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,559
That misinformation was provided.

1366
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:40,719
What misinformation?

1367
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:41,280
You said it.

1368
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,679
You said that in the past, provided misinformation.

1369
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:45,440
Yeah, when they were talking about firming,

1370
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,340
when they had said that the gas plant was necessary for fir

1371
01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:49,119
ming.

1372
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:50,360
Could we vote?

1373
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:50,880
Yes.

1374
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,559
Yes, we can.

1375
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,840
So I'm sorry that you're offended, Brandon.

1376
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,239
And yes, you're absolutely right.

1377
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,679
I have been trying to--

1378
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:00,719
And I don't think anybody on this board

1379
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:04,719
has a personal agenda except you.

1380
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,000
I don't think it's a personal agenda.

1381
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,440
I'm going to call the vote.

1382
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,039
We have a motion and a second.

1383
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:14,039
We've been through discussion.

1384
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:19,800
All in favor of item D, which is to consider

1385
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,880
recommending formal adoption of the renewable resource plan

1386
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,280
for Denton Municipal Utility.

1387
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,239
Say aye.

1388
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:27,079
Aye.

1389
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:27,679
Any opposed?

1390
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:29,639
Same sign.

1391
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:30,280
Thank you.

1392
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,280
Thank you very much.

1393
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,760
OK, next item we have is item E, which

1394
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,519
is to consider recommending adoption

1395
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:40,760
of an ordinance of the city of Denton, Texas,

1396
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,559
providing for the schedule of miscellaneous fees, deposits,

1397
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:48,000
billings, and procedures for administrative services

1398
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,519
to city utility customers, providing for repealer,

1399
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:54,559
providing for severability clause,

1400
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,159
providing for an effective date.

1401
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,639
Thank you.

1402
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:03,239
George Morogh and DME general manager.

1403
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:07,159
I wanted to introduce this item and introduce again

1404
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:09,960
JR Richardson, who's the DME supervisor

1405
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,480
for electric metering.

1406
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,119
The item we're trying to address here

1407
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,099
is that we've installed smart meters on almost all the

1408
01:05:19,099 --> 01:05:19,599
homes

1409
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,840
and businesses in Denton, with the exception of just

1410
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,480
a very small number of customers.

1411
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,639
And we're looking at implementing a policy

1412
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:30,079
on how to address that.

1413
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,039
We'd like everybody to have a smart meter.

1414
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:34,039
It offers them a lot of advantages

1415
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:36,440
that maybe they can't even recognize at this point,

1416
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,960
and also offers the utility a number of advantages.

1417
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,400
And I think JR is going to talk about that.

1418
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,719
And he's come up with-- did some research

1419
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,760
and has crafted a policy that--

1420
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,440
a rate for opting out of our smart meter program

1421
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,280
that would be part of our fees and charges

1422
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,079
that we'd ask you to adopt, along

1423
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,719
with some additional changes that have already

1424
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:01,679
been gone through the process and been approved

1425
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:03,360
by the board and the city council.

1426
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,199
So from a customer service standpoint.

1427
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:09,039
So JR, if you want to come up and take it away.

1428
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:14,800
Thank you, George.

1429
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,559
Members of the board.

1430
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,880
Today, as George stated, we're going

1431
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,159
to talk about some of the topics of offering the opt-out

1432
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:23,599
program

1433
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,199
for our citizens of Denton.

1434
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,960
And at the end, we'll have time for questions.

1435
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,320
Currently, as I stated earlier, we have roughly 53,000

1436
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,840
electric meters in the city.

1437
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,000
And as George stated, 99.9% of those are AMI meters.

1438
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,599
We have less than 40 customers who, at the time of rollout,

1439
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:48,719
made their wish known not to have an AMI meter.

1440
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:51,599
Some of that was the concerns that they have over the RF

1441
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:55,079
signal that is emitted by the meter.

1442
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:57,840
There have been several institutions

1443
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,000
that have done studies on the RF signal of the meter.

1444
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,679
And based on those studies, the FCC

1445
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:10,440
has come out to say that the radio output exposure has

1446
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,960
no negative health or safety impacts to the public.

1447
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,480
AMI meters don't continuously transmit.

1448
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,559
Our meters, we get all of our data

1449
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:24,079
in less than six minutes of a total day.

1450
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:28,400
So that's pretty small.

1451
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,440
Here, we want to talk about some of the disadvantages

1452
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,000
for customers whenever they don't participate

1453
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,519
with the AMI meter.

1454
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:37,599
One is they won't be eligible for the prepaid

1455
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,360
that we talked about earlier.

1456
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,920
I think one of the biggest points here

1457
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,559
is that they're not available to be part of our outage

1458
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:45,920
management system.

1459
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,800
Currently, our AMI meters, whenever there's an outage,

1460
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,880
they send a last gas to our outage management system.

1461
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,679
So a lot of times, a customer will be out of power,

1462
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,119
and our system operator has the ability

1463
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,119
to dispatch a truck before we even receive

1464
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:04,000
a call from the customer.

1465
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,280
I think that's a big point.

1466
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,840
Some of the disadvantages for the utility, of course,

1467
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,519
is not being able to monitor those meters

1468
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,119
to know when they're out of power.

1469
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,319
Another big part that touches on safety

1470
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,239
is not being able to monitor the meter that

1471
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:24,079
may have either a diversion or have

1472
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:27,439
an illegal generation system connected.

1473
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,560
We have had at least four or five different instances

1474
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,239
where a customer has gone out and bought

1475
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:38,279
some type of a solar panel and connected it to their system

1476
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:38,279
,

1477
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,760
not legally the way we do with a disconnect device.

1478
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,600
So therefore, if we ever have an outage

1479
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,560
and that thing is connected, it poses safety potential

1480
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,159
for our alignment when they go out to work on that service.

1481
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:51,239
But if we have an AMI meter, we'll

1482
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:55,279
be able to notice that on our reverse flow report

1483
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,239
and be able to go out and talk with that customer

1484
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:02,520
and get them on board with the proper installation.

1485
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,119
This slide here shows some of the utilities in Texas

1486
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:09,239
that now offer an opt out program.

1487
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:11,920
All of the programs begin with a fee,

1488
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,479
one time fee for a nonstandard meter or a meter

1489
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,479
without that communication board.

1490
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,399
And then primarily all of them also

1491
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:23,239
have a monthly fee to recruit the cost of having someone

1492
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:26,159
go out and manually read that meter and also the billing

1493
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,039
process that goes along with that.

1494
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:30,159
I will point out on this slide as well

1495
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:34,840
that Bryan utilities do have an AMI program,

1496
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,319
but they currently do not offer an opt out program.

1497
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:41,119
All their customers will have an AMI meter.

1498
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:42,800
Georgetown?

1499
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,270
Georgetown is in the process of rolling out their AMI

1500
01:09:46,270 --> 01:09:46,720
system

1501
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,199
at this time.

1502
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:50,079
I'm sorry, Brendan.

1503
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:50,560
Come on.

1504
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:58,319
When I spoke to Georgetown, they do have an AMI system,

1505
01:09:58,319 --> 01:10:02,359
but they're in the same process as Denton is on creating

1506
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:04,680
an opt out fee program.

1507
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,800
So they're doing the same thing that we're doing right now,

1508
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:14,039
going through their public utility board and city council

1509
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:15,600
doing the same thing currently.

1510
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:24,319
On January the 9th, the city council

1511
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,560
did approve a credit and collection policy ordinance.

1512
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,680
DME has taken the opportunity to draft an opt out fee

1513
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:31,079
schedule

1514
01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:32,840
that would be added to the utility rates

1515
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,479
if the recommendation was to move forward with that

1516
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,760
and the city council was to approve that.

1517
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,720
Our two options is one, of course,

1518
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,119
is not to have an option and do similar to Bryan

1519
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:46,000
and have every customer have an AMI meter

1520
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,880
to make the system more whole.

1521
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,199
Or two, to have an opt out program

1522
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:53,439
where we will have a one time fee for a non-standard meter

1523
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,720
and a $30 monthly fee for reading the meter manually

1524
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,159
and doing the billing process.

1525
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:04,319
And on here we have that staff recommends the option

1526
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:07,899
to provide an opt out program so the customer would have a

1527
01:11:07,899 --> 01:11:09,880
choice.

1528
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,079
Any questions?

1529
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:11,680
Questions?

1530
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:19,159
Yeah, so I found it interesting that--

1531
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:21,520
so less than 40 people opt out.

1532
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,319
Is that correct?

1533
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:22,920
That's correct.

1534
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,239
Out of 53,000.

1535
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,319
And it's not that they opt out whenever we went to set the

1536
01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:27,800
meter.

1537
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,159
They just made their wishes known not to have a meter set

1538
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:30,640
at that time.

1539
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,840
And we respected that wish.

1540
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,359
Yeah, so because-- and it wasn't called opting out

1541
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:36,399
because that wasn't an option.

1542
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:37,520
That is correct.

1543
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,439
So I definitely prefer the--

1544
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,640
I prefer the opt out option to no opt out option.

1545
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,680
And I'm wondering-- and this is generally a question,

1546
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:54,199
an open question, because my mind's not quite--

1547
01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:55,239
not entirely made up.

1548
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:59,960
Is it-- in charging, since it's less than 40 people,

1549
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:03,600
charging them this extra and making sure they pay it,

1550
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,840
is it worth that extra charge to them

1551
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:18,479
and making sure they pay it to charge them that?

1552
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,920
In other words-- sorry, that was awkwardly worded.

1553
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,119
In other words, what about--

1554
01:12:23,119 --> 01:12:25,550
and again, I'm not saying I think that this is an ideal

1555
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:25,920
option.

1556
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,920
But what about a third option of let them opt out

1557
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,840
and they don't have to pay extra for it?

1558
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,239
That's probably not a good idea.

1559
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,800
But I'm just curious in terms of risk analysis.

1560
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,319
Is it-- from a financial perspective.

1561
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,479
I think JR noted it on one of his slides,

1562
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,000
but he didn't mention it.

1563
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,640
There's special handling that we have to do for these

1564
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,399
customers.

1565
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:51,880
There's special meter reads.

1566
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,800
We've got the-- there's a little extra cost.

1567
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:55,479
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

1568
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,079
A little extra time going out there.

1569
01:12:57,079 --> 01:12:59,560
And we're having to do special handling for the billing.

1570
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,039
It's manual billing.

1571
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:02,680
It doesn't feed into our billing system

1572
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,159
quite as efficiently as our AMI meter reads.

1573
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:08,840
So--

1574
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,199
This covers that.

1575
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:11,920
The fees would cover that, yes.

1576
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,680
So that's why--

1577
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:13,680
And nothing extra.

1578
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,319
So that's the background for the cost.

1579
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:21,960
And it just seems that we're incurring the cost

1580
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,279
and that we should pass that along to those.

1581
01:13:25,279 --> 01:13:27,840
And hopefully, we could-- out of that process,

1582
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,920
if the board and the council were inclined to adopt this

1583
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:31,880
policy,

1584
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,560
maybe out of that, we could enhance our discussions

1585
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,760
and our communications with the residents.

1586
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,800
They're essentially all residential customers

1587
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,119
that haven't opted in.

1588
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:42,079
And see if we couldn't do a better job maybe

1589
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:46,920
at explaining the benefits of going with a smart meter.

1590
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,819
And part of the benefits will be, hey, there's no fees and

1591
01:13:49,819 --> 01:13:50,119
cost

1592
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:51,479
that you might have to deal with.

1593
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:52,159
Yeah.

1594
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:55,449
It just gives us a little bit of something to discuss

1595
01:13:55,449 --> 01:13:56,199
further.

1596
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:57,039
Yeah.

1597
01:13:57,039 --> 01:13:59,880
Well, that's really sensible to me.

1598
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,439
I just wanted to ask that and just to make clear.

1599
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,279
And I think--

1600
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:04,159
Mike, I'm sorry.

1601
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:04,600
No, no, no.

1602
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:05,880
Go on.

1603
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,159
My question is going to be, have we already done that?

1604
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:10,800
To avoid going through this process,

1605
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,000
why didn't we reach out to them and say, OK,

1606
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,640
you can keep your meter, but there's going

1607
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,399
to be an extra charge, maybe?

1608
01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:19,199
We have had calls come in.

1609
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:20,840
And what we've been telling the customers

1610
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,640
is that we've been trying to work on this type of a program

1611
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:23,880
.

1612
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,439
We actually started late last summer working on this.

1613
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,199
But then there were some changes in management

1614
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,920
that caused us to delay the process.

1615
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,600
I've recently spoke with a couple of the customers

1616
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,720
here recently and told them that we were coming today

1617
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,319
and that we also have on the agenda

1618
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:43,880
to go to the city council on February the 6th.

1619
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,239
And we still want to keep them.

1620
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:47,000
So--

1621
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,199
They're not sure yet.

1622
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:52,520
It actually kind of sounds like you anticipate additional

1623
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:52,960
people

1624
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,880
wanting to opt out.

1625
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,239
Kind of some of both.

1626
01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:58,319
Some of both.

1627
01:14:58,319 --> 01:14:59,760
Also, when you put this in place,

1628
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,600
some people may see some of the disadvantages

1629
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,039
that they have by not having it.

1630
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,800
For one, not being able to go online and see

1631
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,680
your historical data, not being able to participate

1632
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,159
in the prepaid metering, and also the fact

1633
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,840
that if you're out of town, for instance, and your power

1634
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,119
goes

1635
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:19,159
out, and say you're at the end of the line,

1636
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:20,800
and we get it back on, but there's

1637
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,600
a tree that's falling against your service.

1638
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,439
So everyone else on your street is on,

1639
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,079
but your service is still out.

1640
01:15:26,079 --> 01:15:29,199
With the AMI meter there, our system operators

1641
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,159
may have to know that without you having

1642
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:32,520
to make that phone call.

1643
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,880
And we would send someone out to make those repairs.

1644
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,880
Yeah, that's a good feature of that.

1645
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:38,439
Yes, sir.

1646
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,319
Just to have that available.

1647
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:51,760
I did have one question on the solar panel.

1648
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,600
Yes.

1649
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,840
If somebody's got a solar panel, it

1650
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,680
seems like part of the permit process,

1651
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,720
they would have to have an AMI meter as part of that.

1652
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:03,279
They do.

1653
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:08,039
So this would be somebody who installed without a permit?

1654
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:08,920
That is correct.

1655
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:09,600
That's correct.

1656
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,239
And we've had that happen, Chairman Robinson.

1657
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:14,319
We've had customers go out and just-- actually,

1658
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:16,000
one of the installations we found,

1659
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,119
they had just plugged it into their outlet on the patio.

1660
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:20,920
And the only reason we were able to find it

1661
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,319
was because Brandon and his group-- we have an AMI group.

1662
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:27,319
He was recently the supervisor, but now he's the manager.

1663
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:29,640
And what they do is they have a report that comes out.

1664
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,960
And there's a reverse flow report that comes out.

1665
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,760
So we were able to determine that.

1666
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,399
And when we went out to this customer's home,

1667
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:37,680
they too were out of town.

1668
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,439
So we weren't able to contact them.

1669
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,039
But with everything down low, there

1670
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:43,600
was just enough power going back onto our system

1671
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,399
that we could see that reverse flow.

1672
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:47,199
And looking over the fence, they had panels

1673
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,399
that were just laying in the backyard.

1674
01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:52,119
So we left the notification there.

1675
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:54,659
And whenever they did come back, they contacted our

1676
01:16:54,659 --> 01:16:55,520
department.

1677
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,520
And we had them go through the proper process

1678
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,319
to get a proper installation installed.

1679
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:01,800
OK.

1680
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:02,880
All right.

1681
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,159
One question, a clarification.

1682
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:08,760
The heading says, we're providing for a repealer.

1683
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,239
Could you tell me what that is?

1684
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,199
Providing for--

1685
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:11,699
Repealer.

1686
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,760
And that was in this slide.

1687
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,520
It's on the ordinance.

1688
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:19,520
Oh, OK.

1689
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,000
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

1690
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,920
No, what we're doing is we're repealing prior ordinances.

1691
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,000
And this is replacing what was in effect in the past.

1692
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,279
Nothing to do with electricity.

1693
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:33,279
Nothing I'm aware of.

1694
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,199
OK, any other questions?

1695
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:41,520
Thank you for your presentation.

1696
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,119
Thank you, sir, for your time.

1697
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:50,039
Do we have a motion in reference to item E, which

1698
01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:56,479
is consider putting an opt out fee in our utility rates?

1699
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:57,520
Yes.

1700
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:58,479
Motion?

1701
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:59,479
Second.

1702
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:00,840
And a second.

1703
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,199
Further discussion?

1704
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:04,640
All in favor say aye.

1705
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:05,159
Aye.

1706
01:18:05,159 --> 01:18:06,279
Any opposed?

1707
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:09,000
Same sign.

1708
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,000
OK, ACM update.

1709
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,279
Yes, members of the board, in your packet,

1710
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:18,000
there is a memo from PS Aurora regarding the Texas

1711
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,720
Commissioner of Environmental Quality Wastewater Quality

1712
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,960
Fee.

1713
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,359
That was an item that was approved by the city council

1714
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:26,800
last Tuesday.

1715
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,640
And it was just informational for the board.

1716
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,800
And then-- I'm sorry.

1717
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,640
Oh, and then you've got your future agendas as well.

1718
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:48,359
And then we have the new business matrix for 2018.

1719
01:18:48,359 --> 01:18:51,920
OK, questions?

1720
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,600
Hearing none.

1721
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,960
Just comment.

1722
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,600
We're at that stage.

1723
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,000
We can-- we'll move into concluding items.

1724
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,000
OK.

1725
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,840
This memo we received, could we get that addressed

1726
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:13,039
in our extraneous business in the ACM area?

1727
01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:16,239
I think most of these things have been discussed

1728
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:17,479
and considered.

1729
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,159
Just maybe a recap for those questions that were posed.

1730
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:22,640
And I think that would cover it.

1731
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,680
OK.

1732
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:24,199
Very good.

1733
01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:25,560
If not, a presentation.

1734
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,880
Maybe do.

1735
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,760
OK.

1736
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,920
Any other member of the utilities board

1737
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,319
who would like to place something on future agendas?

1738
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,439
Yes.

1739
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,600
Yes.

1740
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,239
Several things.

1741
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:52,800
One, let's see.

1742
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:58,680
Customers have gotten in touch with me about an issue

1743
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,119
that I was not yet aware of.

1744
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:03,479
It's a customer service issue, I guess.

1745
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,439
And that-- and this is something that might just

1746
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,600
involve being confirmed or looked into by staff.

1747
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:17,159
Or it might necessitate a discussion as a committee.

1748
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:21,399
So I'll just ask for more information from staff on this.

1749
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:26,479
But there was-- apparently, if you

1750
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:32,079
want to pay your bill over the phone--

1751
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:34,239
or I should say this one customer

1752
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:37,600
said that she had to, for various reasons,

1753
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,880
pay her bill over the phone instead of on the internet.

1754
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,239
And she was charged $10 to pay over the phone,

1755
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:48,520
and then $6 to change her credit card.

1756
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,880
So apparently, there's a $6 credit card fee.

1757
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,279
And this was on an internet discussion.

1758
01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:56,319
I forget what site, but this was one of these things

1759
01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:58,079
where someone commented.

1760
01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:00,600
And it was on some Facebook page.

1761
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,640
And then someone tagged me.

1762
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,609
And then a bunch of other people started commenting, me too

1763
01:21:05,609 --> 01:21:05,840
.

1764
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,319
And I was very interested, because I didn't know this.

1765
01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:12,560
So both an extra charge, apparently,

1766
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,920
for paying your bill over the phone instead of via internet

1767
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:16,920
.

1768
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,239
And then a $6 charge, or some extra charge,

1769
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:23,159
to change your credit card if you get a new credit card.

1770
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:26,640
So I just had a question, just wanted to look into that.

1771
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:27,520
Is that the case?

1772
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:35,600
I think we could bring up maybe an ACM update on our fee

1773
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:36,439
schedule.

1774
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:36,920
Yes, sir.

1775
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,319
I'll be glad to do that.

1776
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:39,079
Next time.

1777
01:21:39,079 --> 01:21:42,079
Yeah, that would be wonderful.

1778
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,880
And then two more things.

1779
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:50,600
One-- and this would probably be best around the time

1780
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,399
when we talk about the permanent gas supply for the debt

1781
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:57,039
and energy center.

1782
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:01,319
But I would like to see us look into, in addition to--

1783
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:07,920
and this was something I brought up in a close session

1784
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,399
discussion.

1785
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:14,079
I'm mentioning it because it was my comment about looking

1786
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:19,479
into trying to leverage for more transparency

1787
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:25,439
in finding out which gas companies, the gas supplier

1788
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:31,520
and enterprise is purchasing their gas from that they give

1789
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,199
us, kind of looking into to what extent we

1790
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:38,359
could get more transparency, both for us, for council,

1791
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:42,399
and for the public on that.

1792
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:45,000
So that would be--

1793
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,000
so I want to reiterate that and mention it

1794
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,560
for the first time publicly.

1795
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,520
And in addition to that, I'd like

1796
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,159
to request that we consider the possibility of joining

1797
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:58,800
the Natural Gas Supply Collaborative, which the city

1798
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,000
of Austin has joined.

1799
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:08,479
And it's just about looking into more responsible ways

1800
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:14,479
of getting natural gas for the gas plant.

1801
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:21,000
And yeah, I think I will stop at that,

1802
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,119
because there are some others under that umbrella.

1803
01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:27,520
And then the final thing is just about the vote

1804
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,840
that we had in close session on test gas.

1805
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,560
And that's how it was described in the agenda posting.

1806
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,439
So I'm not revealing anything just as a vote on a test gas.

1807
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,039
I just wanted to say that I had assumed

1808
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:43,960
when we made that vote to recommend

1809
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,920
that it would be followed up with a public vote

1810
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,159
since we were voting to recommend a contract.

1811
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:52,199
And it turned out that I was mistaken.

1812
01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:56,000
I was very pleased that council or councilperson Briggs

1813
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,720
had caught that at the council level,

1814
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,239
because council was supposed to be

1815
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:04,520
voting to approve the contract in closed session.

1816
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,600
So then that ended up being open session.

1817
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,520
Anyway, I thought that handled really well.

1818
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,800
And I'm sorry that I wasn't able to catch that.

1819
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,560
But I would just request that in the future, we follow up--

1820
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:24,840
if we do recommend a contract in closed session

1821
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,840
and have a discussion with legal about that,

1822
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,199
that we follow that recommendation up

1823
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:34,359
with a public vote without the confidential legal advice.

1824
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:36,960
Does that make sense?

1825
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,439
So that's just a matter of policy.

1826
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,960
And I don't know if you want to have a staff report on that

1827
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:44,960
,

1828
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,079
or maybe a memo from staff to--

1829
01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:50,920
I don't quite see us having a discussion on that.

1830
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,039
I don't know.

1831
01:24:52,039 --> 01:24:54,199
But I did want to mention that publicly,

1832
01:24:54,199 --> 01:24:56,680
largely for the members of any members of the public

1833
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:57,079
watching

1834
01:24:57,079 --> 01:24:57,960
this.

1835
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:58,760
But that was all.

1836
01:24:58,760 --> 01:24:59,239
Thank you.

1837
01:25:03,279 --> 01:25:06,960
Anybody else have anything?

1838
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,920
No?

1839
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,640
We have a motion to adjourn.

1840
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,079
So moved.

1841
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:15,520
Motion?

1842
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:16,039
A second.

1843
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:17,079
I see a head nod.

1844
01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:18,640
That's a second.

1845
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,000
I'll take that for a second.

1846
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,000
All in favor say aye.

1847
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,000
Aye.

1848
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,560
Any opposed?

1849
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,319
Thank you.