WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.120 The January 8th, 2018 public utility board meeting will 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:08.000 call to order. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:14.000 It's nine o'clock and the first piece of business we have 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.199 is a work session to 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.339 receive an informational report regarding the DME program 00:00:21.339 --> 00:00:22.039 for underground 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:25.039 electrical lines. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:38.109 Good morning Chairman Robinson, Public Utilities Board. I'm 00:00:38.109 --> 00:00:38.759 Brent Heath, Executive 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.520 Manager for Energy Delivery. We received a question at a 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:43.719 recent City Council 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.460 meeting concerning the underground utilities in Denton, so 00:00:46.460 --> 00:00:47.439 a presentation 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:50.469 has been created and will be presented to them tomorrow 00:00:50.469 --> 00:00:51.560 evening and we wanted 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:56.289 to bring it to the Public Utilities Board today. The work 00:00:56.289 --> 00:00:59.399 session will discuss 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:02.049 the comparisons and differences between overhead and 00:01:02.049 --> 00:01:03.479 underground utilities. I 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:05.969 will briefly touch on a few of the things that have to be 00:01:05.969 --> 00:01:06.719 considered whenever 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.180 we engineer projects to go underground, when we draw them 00:01:10.180 --> 00:01:11.000 up, convert them, 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.700 especially when we convert from over existing overhead 00:01:13.700 --> 00:01:14.439 facilities to 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:20.420 underground facilities, and then the associated cost. There 00:01:20.420 --> 00:01:22.319 are several 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.329 documents that we follow and that we have policies that 00:01:25.329 --> 00:01:26.760 govern how we handle 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.519 overhead and underground utilities in the City of Denton. 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:30.359 The first one is the 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.120 City of Denton Municipal Code, section 34-122 is the 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:34.799 underground electric 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.400 utility policy. The very first item on this code says that 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:39.599 's the basic policy 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.560 of the city to encourage installation of underground 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:43.599 electric utilities in all 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:46.890 new subdivisions and for commercial development. And there 00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:47.439 are several other 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:51.480 bullet points down through there that you can read in the 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:52.840 presentation. 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.950 One of the things that we do utilize and along with the 00:01:59.950 --> 00:02:01.519 municipal code is we do 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:03.489 have an electric service standards policy that's come 00:02:03.489 --> 00:02:04.200 before the Public 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.689 Utilities Board and City Council and has been adopted. It 00:02:06.689 --> 00:02:07.640 does give the criteria 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:11.610 of how we handle the differences for underground and 00:02:11.610 --> 00:02:13.319 electric utilities. 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.270 Another document and governance policy that we follow is 00:02:16.270 --> 00:02:17.919 the Denton Plan 2030. 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:22.219 It was preceded by the Denton Plan 2000 and you'll see here 00:02:22.219 --> 00:02:23.199 in just a little bit 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.379 how I think some of these documents have really helped us 00:02:25.379 --> 00:02:26.159 here in the City of 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.840 Denton to install more and more underground. The very first 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:30.840 thing you 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.509 might want to note here in section 9.5 of the Denton Plan 00:02:33.509 --> 00:02:35.599 2030 is it does relate 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.090 to install an underground electric distribution facilities 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:38.219 wherever 00:02:38.219 --> 00:02:43.080 practical. In 9.5.3 that's inside the box at the lower left 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:43.840 -hand corner of 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.389 your presentation it says fund the conversion of existing 00:02:47.389 --> 00:02:47.800 overhead 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.289 electric facilities to underground on a fiscally 00:02:50.289 --> 00:02:51.800 responsible basis through 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.090 electric service initiatives. And so we do look at costs 00:02:55.090 --> 00:02:56.139 before we just ran 00:02:56.139 --> 00:02:58.800 them we go out and try to pick places to do that. We try to 00:02:58.800 --> 00:02:59.840 incorporate them 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.639 whenever possible to include it with the revenue or 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.159 customer based project that's 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.509 coming in where it makes sense and it would help keep the 00:03:07.509 --> 00:03:08.479 cost down on those 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:14.789 items. We do budget each and every year we have a specific 00:03:14.789 --> 00:03:16.000 budgetary category 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.789 code for overhead to underground conversions. This fiscal 00:03:19.789 --> 00:03:21.199 year 2018 that 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:26.560 we're in we have $350,000 it's budgeted for overhead to 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:26.919 underground 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:31.000 conversions and we do anticipate over the next five years 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:31.759 and this is in the 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:38.080 budget book that that will be steadily increasing. This is 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.520 a map over on the 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.490 left-hand side shows the overhead primary conductors in the 00:03:44.490 --> 00:03:45.199 City of Denton 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.689 and on the right hand side of the map in green is the 00:03:47.689 --> 00:03:49.520 underground. One thing you 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.729 might notice is that we have 43% of our primary 00:03:52.729 --> 00:03:54.800 distribution system in Denton is 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:00.800 overhead. More than half, 57% presently today is our 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:01.840 underground lines and it 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.539 kind of shows the locations of where those are at. So it's 00:04:04.539 --> 00:04:05.520 not just all grouped 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.419 in one part of the town it's actually scattered across all 00:04:08.419 --> 00:04:13.719 of Denton. We were 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.269 asked at the council meeting when the question was posed 00:04:16.269 --> 00:04:17.120 well how does DME 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.089 rank in relation to other cities with the amount of 00:04:20.089 --> 00:04:21.639 underground and so we're 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.699 proud to say that we're actually ranked third best in the 00:04:24.699 --> 00:04:25.879 state of Texas out of 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.220 72 electric municipal utilities and so we're very proud of 00:04:30.220 --> 00:04:32.120 that. I did go back 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.910 in the history and looked in the 2001 TPPA Texas Public 00:04:35.910 --> 00:04:36.480 Power Association 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.170 directory and if you look at those numbers it shows that we 00:04:40.170 --> 00:04:41.959 were at 36% and 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.509 this is where I think some of our governance policies that 00:04:44.509 --> 00:04:45.079 the Public 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:47.589 Utilities Board and the City Council has done has really 00:04:47.589 --> 00:04:49.680 helped DME to help get 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.959 more and more underground here in the city of Denton. An 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.720 example of underground 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.629 everybody's familiar with the downtown courthouse square 00:04:59.629 --> 00:05:01.000 everything contained 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:06.129 within this gold boundary or box is shown by some dashed 00:05:06.129 --> 00:05:07.360 colored lines those 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.980 are all underground that's all underground electric 00:05:09.980 --> 00:05:10.759 utilities for 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:14.980 several blocks around the downtown square. I think that's 00:05:14.980 --> 00:05:15.519 pretty pretty 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.110 unique and pretty good allows us some opportunities to help 00:05:18.110 --> 00:05:18.680 make it a very 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:25.300 visual visually appealing place to go visit. Okay this map 00:05:25.300 --> 00:05:26.879 we're not going to 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.370 touch and talk about every one of these numbers we'll just 00:05:29.370 --> 00:05:30.079 pick three or four I 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.079 know it's very busy I think the thing that really is to 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.079 take away from this 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.449 slide is that it compares the electrical liability between 00:05:38.449 --> 00:05:39.040 overhead and 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.839 underground circuits. The bottom left-hand corner over here 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:43.560 talks shows 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:47.600 the Katie which talks about the customer durations of out 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.000 ages when outages do 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.430 occur and it shows the overhead number is 26 and the 00:05:53.430 --> 00:05:55.399 underground number is 31. 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:01.759 What that indicates is that there are actually less outages 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:02.959 on underground 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.600 than overhead but when outages do occur on underground 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:07.360 because it's more 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.870 difficult to find the duration to restore those outages for 00:06:10.870 --> 00:06:11.279 those 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.649 customers is actually longer because you can't just drive 00:06:14.649 --> 00:06:15.480 by say oh there's the 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.990 problem and go clear it up and get it back on you have to 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:18.720 locate and identify 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:23.410 the problem. Another interesting thing is we all know that 00:06:23.410 --> 00:06:24.120 we've heard that we 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.810 have a lot of outages here in Denton recently especially 00:06:26.810 --> 00:06:28.480 due to squirrels and 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.740 you know they're there are on our number one hit list and 00:06:31.740 --> 00:06:33.040 so we're doing a lot of 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:37.009 things to try to mitigate and improve the squirrel issues 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:38.040 that occur in our 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.980 overhead lines. One of the things that we've done recently 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:41.959 is we've used a new 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:44.449 product that we've evaluated and we've gone through and 00:06:44.449 --> 00:06:45.240 started installing 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.790 across parts of the town to help mitigate that's wildlife 00:06:48.790 --> 00:06:51.000 protection, it's 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.819 die electric devices that you clamp on overhead conductors 00:06:54.819 --> 00:06:56.240 to help try to keep 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.850 the squirrels from hitting a hot conductor and a ground 00:06:58.850 --> 00:06:59.680 wire at the same 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.430 time which causes a problem for the electric system. We've 00:07:02.430 --> 00:07:02.959 had very good 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.170 success with that and so people say why don't you just make 00:07:06.170 --> 00:07:06.920 it go underground 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.410 instead of overhead and you won't have those issues. Well 00:07:09.410 --> 00:07:10.720 there actually are 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.930 squirrel related issues even on underground circuits. 00:07:13.930 --> 00:07:15.319 Sometimes squirrels 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:19.709 love to chew through insulation on underground cables they 00:07:19.709 --> 00:07:20.519 get down in the 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:24.490 riser conduits crawl down in them and you can actually see 00:07:24.490 --> 00:07:25.279 that on the overhead 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.129 we have a column called squirrel events we had nine 00:07:28.129 --> 00:07:29.600 squirrel events on these 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.370 12 overhead conductors that are 80% or more overhead and on 00:07:33.370 --> 00:07:34.120 the underground 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:37.040 circuits that are 80% or more underground there's actually 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:37.519 more than 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:41.829 twice as many underground circuits 26 and we had four so it 00:07:41.829 --> 00:07:42.879 's about half a 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.519 little less than half of the number of squirrel related 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:47.160 events on underground 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.620 circuits but they do occur thought that was kind of 00:07:50.620 --> 00:07:53.759 interesting. Overhead and 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.250 underground comparisons between overhead on the left and 00:07:56.250 --> 00:07:56.959 underground on the right 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:00.310 I think the most significant differences that you'll see on 00:08:00.310 --> 00:08:01.800 these two columns is 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.430 of course the appearance underground does look better cost 00:08:05.430 --> 00:08:06.199 and system 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.720 flexibility. 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.959 Underground conversions to go from overhead to underground 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:18.240 it's just 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.790 complex a lot of moving parts to make that happen we do it 00:08:21.790 --> 00:08:23.360 it can happen and 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.300 we want to continue doing it but it's just a difficult 00:08:26.300 --> 00:08:27.600 thing and very timely 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:31.019 and costly to do. A lot of research time is required we 00:08:31.019 --> 00:08:32.639 need to know where all 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.440 the existing underground utilities are at before you begin 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:36.279 and that's when 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.100 engineering department planning department other utilities 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:39.559 have to be 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.000 consulted where are their lines at we needed to find out 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:43.600 where is the best 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.120 place to put the new underground line at that misses as 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:46.799 many of those 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.899 underground utilities that we can't see. So we have to also 00:08:50.899 --> 00:08:52.320 consider not only the 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.600 existing load that how much electricity is needed to serve 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:56.799 each customer right 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.370 now but what might it be in the future so we have to plan 00:09:01.370 --> 00:09:02.360 for future capacity. 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:05.570 One of the difficult things with underground is when you 00:09:05.570 --> 00:09:06.320 put a conduit 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:09.929 in the ground and you put a cable in that conduit you want 00:09:09.929 --> 00:09:10.600 to make sure it's 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:14.200 large enough probably much larger than what they need right 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:14.840 now because you 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.269 can't just pull that cable out and put bigger cable that 00:09:17.269 --> 00:09:17.919 didn't fit in that 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.539 conduit so we're gonna make sure you put large enough condu 00:09:21.539 --> 00:09:22.879 it and cables that can 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.679 plan for the future expected capacity of that area and 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.279 maybe even the surrounding 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.490 areas you might be feeding through this area to serve 00:09:31.490 --> 00:09:33.279 another area. We normally 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.899 because of the cost and the time that's needed to help put 00:09:35.899 --> 00:09:36.440 in underground 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.649 facilities we put our underground facilities and easements 00:09:39.649 --> 00:09:40.840 rather than 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:44.049 street right away. There are many times if we're in street 00:09:44.049 --> 00:09:44.919 right away with a pole 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:48.279 a street widening project happens they just move the pole 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:49.639 back pretty cheap 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.990 pretty inexpensive easily done but on underground you have 00:09:52.990 --> 00:09:53.759 to dig it up and 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:57.730 find another place to go and when you're running at a 00:09:57.730 --> 00:09:59.320 higher cost you want to 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.110 make sure that if you're protected by an easement whoever's 00:10:02.110 --> 00:10:03.000 asking you to move 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.639 that would help pay for that. Textodd is a prime example. 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:07.559 We on underground 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.419 facilities a lot of times they'll say you need to move that 00:10:10.419 --> 00:10:10.919 line well where 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.039 we're gonna go well I don't know you just to go buy some 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:13.879 easements somehow and 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.360 we'll try to reimburse you for that and so we do try to put 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:18.360 underground and 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.509 easements. One of the things that's interesting about 00:10:22.509 --> 00:10:23.399 overhead conductors 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:27.000 when you bury overhead conductors you have joint pole 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:28.759 attachment users such as 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.360 telephone and cable TV that's already up there. If you bury 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:34.159 the electric lines 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.679 which we have done you want to work with those other 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:38.039 communication companies and 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:42.379 say how do we bury your facilities they may not be incentiv 00:10:42.379 --> 00:10:43.740 ized as much as we 00:10:43.740 --> 00:10:46.759 are to help bury their facilities so sometimes they ask for 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:47.679 some additional 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:51.059 funding to help them do that so a lot of cooperation and 00:10:51.059 --> 00:10:51.759 coordinations are 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:56.529 required. There is also the physical construction impacts 00:10:56.529 --> 00:10:57.639 to dig everything 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:01.330 up put it in underground it does disrupt the location that 00:11:01.330 --> 00:11:02.600 you're putting them in 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.960 it and one of the things that's rarely thought about is the 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:06.919 electric meter 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.889 bases. The electric meter bases are mounted on the outside 00:11:10.889 --> 00:11:12.240 of the house that 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.169 the overhead service is tied to and it does have a weather 00:11:15.169 --> 00:11:16.120 head that goes up 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.340 through the roof and all of that has to be electrician has 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:21.679 to be hired to help 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.029 relocate that. They have to rip all that down in each house 00:11:25.029 --> 00:11:26.480 or business and 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:30.090 converted to underground and so that's about two to three 00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:31.519 thousand dollars per 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:38.929 house and the meter base is owned by the customer. We have 00:11:38.929 --> 00:11:40.960 some project cost 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:44.309 examples of how much underground cost to put in two of 00:11:44.309 --> 00:11:45.799 these are actual costs 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.570 that we've done on some big projects and one of them is an 00:11:48.570 --> 00:11:49.600 estimated cost that 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.519 we've looked at on a smaller project. Western Boulevard on 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:53.360 the west side of 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:57.039 town there was an industrial customer that came in recently 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.200 close to a 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.059 substation we had to plan for future capacity and what 00:12:01.059 --> 00:12:02.259 their needs were so we 00:12:02.259 --> 00:12:05.700 put in multiple circuits underground and you might notice 00:12:05.700 --> 00:12:06.960 that the actual cost 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:11.360 per foot was four hundred and thirty seven dollars per foot 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:12.879 and so that ended 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:17.240 up costing for the 1.2 miles 2.7 million dollars just to 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:18.000 install the underground 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:23.129 facilities along this one section of Western Boulevard. H 00:12:23.129 --> 00:12:24.279 ickory Street 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.450 downtown on the square or southeast of the square a very 00:12:28.450 --> 00:12:30.000 nice area down through 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.639 there that was a six hundred and forty six dollars six 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.440 hundred forty seven dollars per foot to put that in so it 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.879 costs three quarters of a million dollars to put that in 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.399 that one section of street. 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.919 It looks very very nice a lot of work went into that we 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:46.639 also plan for future 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.149 capacity and needs there's festivals that occur down 00:12:49.149 --> 00:12:51.080 through there and so we have 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.440 buried facilities that can handle festivals food booths 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:55.539 vendors along the 00:12:55.539 --> 00:12:59.059 street similar to what they do over in grapevine so those 00:12:59.059 --> 00:13:00.320 types of things are 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.789 thought about whenever you put an underground. We've also 00:13:03.789 --> 00:13:04.960 looked at a 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:08.169 possibly converting an overhead area to underground in a 00:13:08.169 --> 00:13:09.320 residential area for a 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.090 block or two and we want to see how would that cost this 00:13:13.090 --> 00:13:14.740 overhead area that 00:13:14.740 --> 00:13:17.750 we looked at is in the rear lots it's in the back of the 00:13:17.750 --> 00:13:19.320 yards very difficult to 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:24.000 get to and so for 2300 feet for 23 homes that was going to 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.399 be five hundred and 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:30.000 fifty dollars per foot to do that or fifty seven thousand 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.159 dollars to cross 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:36.919 each of these 23 lots for 1.3 million dollar cost so that's 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:37.559 still being looked 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:40.769 at and evaluated to see is that really a good move or not 00:13:40.769 --> 00:13:41.679 and how would that work 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.230 with the other surrounding areas so I wanted to throw some 00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:45.059 of these numbers 00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:48.809 out to you that underground can be done has been done and 00:13:48.809 --> 00:13:49.960 hopefully will 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.169 continue to be done it's your direction it is very 00:13:53.169 --> 00:13:54.279 expensive there's some 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:59.919 challenges but they can all be overcome. We do have several 00:13:59.919 --> 00:14:01.440 active projects 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.149 underground projects right now DME the top three here are 00:14:05.149 --> 00:14:06.120 some that we're doing 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.919 for University of North Texas there are two of those are in 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:11.759 the construction 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.299 phase one is supposed to start this spring we have 00:14:14.299 --> 00:14:15.720 underground projects that 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.070 are planned for McKinney Road the loves travel where we 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:19.820 went across the 00:14:19.820 --> 00:14:22.360 interstate on the north side of town guy or high school 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:23.320 that just got through 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:27.980 being put in for the textile project around the curve and 00:14:27.980 --> 00:14:29.379 Windsor and Duchess 00:14:29.379 --> 00:14:32.039 Drive so those are some active underground projects that we 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:32.600 have right 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:37.960 now here in the city of Denton. So I'm gonna go ahead and 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.759 summarize this as far 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.730 as we do have an ongoing underground program here in Denton 00:14:43.730 --> 00:14:44.960 our approved 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.629 budget right now is three hundred and fifty thousand 00:14:46.629 --> 00:14:47.320 dollars that we're 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:52.230 working under this present year we currently per the TPPA 00:14:52.230 --> 00:14:53.679 listing was at 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.860 56 percent we're really at 57 percent right today amount of 00:14:57.860 --> 00:14:58.399 line which is 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:02.480 ranked third best out of 72 utilities in the state of Texas 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:03.919 overhead does have 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:08.000 lower installation cost it's easier to find and repair 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:09.279 problems when they occur 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.879 underground has an improved appearance and I think that's 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:13.799 one of the main 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.350 reasons people want to put in underground it does have less 00:15:17.350 --> 00:15:19.159 outages when those 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.370 outages do occur it is longer to restore the power back to 00:15:22.370 --> 00:15:23.440 the customers to try 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.409 to isolate and find the problems one of the things that 00:15:26.409 --> 00:15:27.759 does occur on underground 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:31.360 outage troubleshooting is you have to if you can't find 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.000 something visually you 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.710 can't find what caused it you have to maybe open the 00:15:35.710 --> 00:15:36.960 underground circuit 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:41.220 halfway close the fuse in see does that solve the problem 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:42.240 or not if it doesn't 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.039 well that means that the problem has gone at least that far 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:45.440 you have to 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.700 continue on to the end of the circuit and isolate and try 00:15:48.700 --> 00:15:49.799 to refuse so many 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:52.809 times if you are in an underground circuit you might get 00:15:52.809 --> 00:15:53.759 several blinks 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.970 after the initial outage that's just a utility crews trying 00:15:56.970 --> 00:15:57.559 to find where the 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.250 problem is at so that they can isolate it so I'd be happy 00:16:01.250 --> 00:16:02.519 to answer any 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:06.200 questions Jerry filter our electric engineering division 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:07.200 manager is also 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.220 here to address any questions is is is George more our new 00:16:11.220 --> 00:16:12.879 general manager so 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:16.879 with that I'd stand for any questions question could you go 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:17.639 back to the slide 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:21.240 about the place that we were going to do that back of the 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.600 residential area so it 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:28.730 was almost 60,000 a lot and the homeowner also has to pay 00:16:28.730 --> 00:16:30.080 then two to 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:32.629 three thousand dollars to get it converted either that or 00:16:32.629 --> 00:16:33.240 the we would 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.600 have to help fund that okay how do we typically do that a 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:37.720 special assessment 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:46.639 or on their bill or I know that we've done some of these in 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:47.200 the past we 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.409 haven't really done a lot of that type of work recently 00:16:50.409 --> 00:16:51.440 because it is very 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:56.759 complex a location off south of Hercules east of Stewart 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:58.340 was done recently well 00:16:58.340 --> 00:17:02.169 not recently I would say back in the late 90s I'm not sure 00:17:02.169 --> 00:17:03.080 what really 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.140 initiated that we did go back and look at that it's in your 00:17:06.140 --> 00:17:08.079 AIS agenda very 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.539 expensive to do we did go underground it's underground 00:17:11.539 --> 00:17:12.279 today it looks very 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:16.579 nice today it's a very heavily treed area but you'll notice 00:17:16.579 --> 00:17:17.160 those poles are 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.599 still in the backyards of all those people not because 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:20.420 electric electric did 00:17:20.420 --> 00:17:25.680 what we needed to telephone and cable TV did they said we 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:26.119 don't want to go 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:28.769 underground and so today cable TV goes all the way through 00:17:28.769 --> 00:17:29.440 there and telephone 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.000 goes most of the way through there so those poles are still 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:32.880 there even though 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:38.009 we spent I believe it was 1.3 million dollars you on that 00:17:38.009 --> 00:17:39.799 so but as far as how 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.430 we would build the customer or in you know that would be a 00:17:42.430 --> 00:17:43.400 topic we'd need to 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:47.240 discuss to figure out the best way to do that 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.839 I can't match a lot of don't want to do that so well we 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:52.519 heard comments from some 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.059 of the crews that are still around back from the late 90s 00:17:56.059 --> 00:17:57.279 and they received a 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.710 lot of grief when they were out there doing it from the 00:17:59.710 --> 00:18:00.079 homeowners well we 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.289 didn't ask that this be done we have to move our storage 00:18:03.289 --> 00:18:04.359 shed it's you're 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.200 tearing up my yard to get back there and those poles are 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.480 still there and so but 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:16.329 it can be done and it has been done good question I mean it 00:18:16.329 --> 00:18:17.440 almost seems like 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:21.680 unless telephone and cable or whoever's got lines running 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.960 through there also you 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.170 know coordinated with us to do that I don't know that you I 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:29.220 mean we I guess we 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:34.750 gain less outages but from a from a homeowner standpoint 00:18:34.750 --> 00:18:36.119 like you say you 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:42.000 still got a pole we still got a line and it is expensive 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.680 and the communication 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:46.349 companies don't want to convert because it's expensive and 00:18:46.349 --> 00:18:47.119 it's harder to 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.089 maintain they they have their plant that they pay the 00:18:51.089 --> 00:18:52.319 capital cost to install and 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.890 they want to depreciate it and get the full benefit of the 00:18:54.890 --> 00:18:55.759 plant and if it's 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.970 not depreciated and they need to replace it before it's 00:18:58.970 --> 00:19:00.240 fully depreciated there's 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.190 some associated cost with that and so that's where 00:19:03.190 --> 00:19:04.880 sometimes working with them 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:06.829 they can say you know we have a project in four or five 00:19:06.829 --> 00:19:08.839 years maybe wait we wait 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.190 four or five years and then that's when it's optimal for 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:12.920 everybody to work 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.930 together and make that happen either that or incentivize 00:19:15.930 --> 00:19:16.720 them to help do it 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.720 sooner that can be done as well. 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:24.970 Is it safer to have underground lines as far as for our 00:19:24.970 --> 00:19:28.119 workers who go out there and work on the lines to repair 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.799 them and whatnot is wouldn't it be safer though to have 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:32.720 them underground than overhead? 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.440 There are some safety differences in overhead and 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:36.720 underground I meant we've 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:41.849 had some accidents and serious injuries on both and so it's 00:19:41.849 --> 00:19:43.079 not like underground 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.460 is safe because it's not electricity but it is for the most 00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:47.559 part with the dead 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.430 front switch gear and equipment and transformers that we 00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:52.079 use it is insulated 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.630 and so from that perspective it is safer the overhead 00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:57.519 conductors do not have any 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.990 insulation on overhead wire so I caution everyone here and 00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:02.359 that might be watch and 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.720 please do not ever get near or touch any overhead electric 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.480 conductors it's just 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:13.140 not a safe thing to do. In underground facilities a lot of 00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:14.319 times we'll even see 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.529 kids you know sitting on the green boxes the pad man of 00:20:17.529 --> 00:20:18.720 transformers the switch 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.119 gear and even though they're grounded anything could happen 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:24.119 we don't encourage 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:27.329 that that be considered playground equipment because it's 00:20:27.329 --> 00:20:28.880 not and so they 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.750 both have safety concerns with both of them but yes 00:20:31.750 --> 00:20:33.079 underground does have some 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:41.380 safer aspects. I have a two-part question first do you know 00:20:41.380 --> 00:20:43.039 on average what the 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:47.700 difference is in repair times between underground and 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:49.480 overhead and the second 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:54.619 part of the question is are you aware of any technological 00:20:54.619 --> 00:20:56.319 research or maybe 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.119 anything existing underway in terms of you know robotics or 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.400 whatever that that 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:09.250 could improve in the future the the repair time on 00:21:09.250 --> 00:21:11.839 underground electric? Good 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.809 questions on this busy busy chart that I showed earlier you 00:21:15.809 --> 00:21:16.680 can look at the 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:21.349 overhead customer duration of outages on an average and it 00:21:21.349 --> 00:21:22.920 was 26.3 minutes per 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.750 year that an overhead customer would experience an outage 00:21:26.750 --> 00:21:28.160 duration to last 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:32.480 and it's almost 32 so not a significant difference but 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:32.799 there is a 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.099 difference just like you can tell the the outages I meant 00:21:37.099 --> 00:21:38.119 the nine squirrel the 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:43.599 four squirrel 41 total events on underground 56 those are 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:44.759 fairly close I 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:49.890 mean everything is somewhat close but at a much higher cost 00:21:49.890 --> 00:21:51.519 to do that so I don't 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:54.009 know if that answers your question not so. That does 00:21:54.009 --> 00:21:54.960 actually and I didn't 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.960 realize that that that that's what those average numbers 00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.160 were for the time so 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.720 thank you thank you. You're welcome and as far as the 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.200 robotics or automation I'm 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.549 not sure about the restoration times there are some things 00:22:07.549 --> 00:22:08.400 have been looked 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:12.720 at as far as what causes outages do some predictions as far 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.720 as items that are 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:17.789 getting toward their end of life we do have our GIS system 00:22:17.789 --> 00:22:19.279 where we know the 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.920 vintage year that the equipment's put in and and we go 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.200 through our engineering 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.039 department to look at that in operations department are we 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:27.839 having issues in some 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:31.210 certain areas and we try to put projects forward to help 00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:32.480 address that before it 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.319 becomes a very chronic issue one of the recent ones that we 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:37.240 did a few years ago 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.299 was to replace the direct buried cable over in the South 00:22:40.299 --> 00:22:42.160 ridge area it was put 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.180 in direct buried was put in without conduits it was in the 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:46.160 in the back lots 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:49.509 rear lots that was a three-year project for us to replace 00:22:49.509 --> 00:22:50.319 all of that direct 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:54.920 buried cable with conduits and cable in conduit we also 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.039 replaced old live front 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.809 transformers which are not as safe as the dead front 00:22:59.809 --> 00:23:01.319 transformers we replaced 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.930 the transformers and did a lot of other maintenance in the 00:23:03.930 --> 00:23:05.400 process so we're 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.980 always looking for opportunities to help improve the 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:10.000 electrical system good 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.720 question. One other question that I have is what are the 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:14.920 maintenance costs between 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:20.880 overhead and underground because I mean we're talking about 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.839 and you know the 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.640 tree trimming and all that other kind of thing what's the 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:26.759 most of the 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.309 underground circuits at some point will have some overhead 00:23:30.309 --> 00:23:31.680 associated with that 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:36.279 you'll notice even on this slide the 26 underground 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:37.920 circuits on the right hand 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:42.589 column if you if you will and the 12 on the overhead and 00:23:42.589 --> 00:23:43.359 these are circuits that 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.230 are 80% or greater overhead or underground is how it got 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:47.039 split up into 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.470 these categories so it's very rare to have strictly nothing 00:23:51.470 --> 00:23:52.240 but a fully 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.599 underground circuit from the substation to the end customer 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:57.039 most of them do have 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.529 some associated overhead so you're never going to get away 00:23:59.529 --> 00:24:00.039 completely from the 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.640 tree trimming cost with that you need for overhead but as 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:05.920 far as the maintenance 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.960 cost the tree trim is definitely one of those items on 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:10.359 overhead and a little bit 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:14.079 for the underground use as well. We have to go out and 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:15.799 replace light and arresters 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.009 on overhead when they blow very easy to find replace the $ 00:24:19.009 --> 00:24:20.839 70 device on overheads 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:23.359 it's much more expensive when something fails on 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:24.640 underground because it costs 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.569 two to three times as much to put it in you have to buy 00:24:27.569 --> 00:24:29.559 that equipment find the 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.769 time to locate the real issue and then replace the 00:24:32.769 --> 00:24:34.359 equipment and so the cost 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:37.859 of maintenance is higher on underground I'm not sure the 00:24:37.859 --> 00:24:38.680 actual percent 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:45.890 difference on that but it is it is greater. How much is the 00:24:45.890 --> 00:24:48.160 cost offset by 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.759 the projects you showed like UNT and is it is any of that 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:54.240 cost offset by those 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:59.039 entities? Some of that is there were some agreements that 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:00.400 were put in place things 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.140 that UNT did for us and we did for them years ago to where 00:25:03.140 --> 00:25:04.279 we're fulfilling some 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:08.250 contractual agreements on that UNT those three items. 00:25:08.250 --> 00:25:10.160 Sometimes customers will come 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:13.380 in with a project that they have proposed and they'll want 00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:13.880 to put in 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.119 underground but it's in an area that's existing overhead 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:18.160 and that's where 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.019 electric service standards comes into play that says the 00:25:21.019 --> 00:25:22.079 difference between 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.289 the cost of the overhead and the underground sometimes that 00:25:25.289 --> 00:25:26.039 'll be paid by 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.470 the customer in a form of aid and construction that they'll 00:25:30.470 --> 00:25:31.559 pay us to to 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.950 go with the underground facilities if it would we would 00:25:33.950 --> 00:25:34.759 have normally put it in 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:39.180 an overhead because it's an overhead area. And if it's a 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:40.400 new development is 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.880 that the developers? All the new developments according to 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:44.680 the plan we 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.170 put everything new for residential and commercial in 00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:49.839 underground according to 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.650 the governance policies that we have. Now there are some 00:25:52.650 --> 00:25:54.000 costs that developers do 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:57.970 pay us for street lighting to put the street lights in and 00:25:57.970 --> 00:25:59.240 that was changed by 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:04.369 council I guess back in the early mid-2000s to where they 00:26:04.369 --> 00:26:05.640 pay a cost with 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.150 the street lights. Street lights have to be put in on the 00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:08.839 streets before the 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.509 streets accepted by a third-party contract with the 00:26:12.509 --> 00:26:13.759 building inspection at 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:19.599 the city and so we do charge that and that's paid up front. 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.720 That's all in the 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.930 electric service standards policy that's available to look 00:26:25.930 --> 00:26:27.319 at on the city website 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.529 if you go in there and go into the electric and look in 00:26:30.529 --> 00:26:31.640 those categories 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.150 you'll see the electric service standards policy and if you 00:26:34.150 --> 00:26:34.720 haven't looked 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:36.809 through that if you're planning development I encourage you 00:26:36.809 --> 00:26:37.200 to do that. 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.200 We're always available for people to call us we'd be happy 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:41.119 to work with any 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:46.269 customer and walk them through that process. With the 00:26:46.269 --> 00:26:48.880 fiscal year 2018 budget 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:53.559 of $350,000 we're really only looking at being able to bury 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.400 500 feet a line or 00:26:55.400 --> 00:27:00.650 something like that. Was that rough estimate? Yeah. You 00:27:00.650 --> 00:27:01.160 know this wasn't 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:05.170 intended for large areas to be converted to underground it 00:27:05.170 --> 00:27:06.319 's for areas where it 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.680 makes sense on as the dent plan 2030 said on a fiscally 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:10.880 responsible basis and 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:14.849 so that's to help supplement some of those costs. So would 00:27:14.849 --> 00:27:16.640 you guess then that 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:23.490 the increase from what was it 36% in 2001 was it to 57% now 00:27:23.490 --> 00:27:24.359 so the lion's 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.740 share of those were done by developers? We've had an 00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:29.839 enormous growth in system 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.519 and customer growth here in Denton over the past 20 years 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.920 so yes I think that 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.440 that's a large lion's share of that. And I just wanted to 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.720 clarify something that 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:45.559 that Alan asked if I'm building a neighborhood and I want 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:46.880 to bury the I 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.690 want the electrical lines buried I pay for that you guys 00:27:50.690 --> 00:27:51.680 don't pay for that I 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.700 pay for that. If it's a brand new subdivision that's going 00:27:55.700 --> 00:27:56.440 in that's never 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.079 been there on some greenfield property we will put that in 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:01.440 underground. Now if 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.730 where does the budget come for? Well if if there's an error 00:28:04.730 --> 00:28:05.720 if if everything 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:12.569 around there is all overhead one of the policies does say 00:28:12.569 --> 00:28:16.920 item number E on the 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.759 municipal code underground will not be installed on the 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:20.359 perimeter of a 00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:22.849 subdivision or plan development unless the adjacent areas 00:28:22.849 --> 00:28:23.519 has underground 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.869 service. So to your point on that if everything around 00:28:26.869 --> 00:28:28.400 there is overhead and 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.089 it's going to be a small development we would go ahead and 00:28:31.089 --> 00:28:32.400 put that in overhead 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.480 because the perimeter of that would be overhead. So that 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:37.640 might be where you're 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.240 so yeah we do follow that as well. But if the customer 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:42.519 wants it in underground 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.180 we'll put it underground they would pay that difference the 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:46.279 aid and construction 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:51.190 put it in underground. Okay okay that makes sense. Okay 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:52.640 thank you. You're welcome. 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.990 Can you go back to the other one? Which one? The the one 00:28:55.990 --> 00:28:57.400 with all of the outage 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:02.529 the busy slide. Yeah the busy one I like the busy one. Okay 00:29:02.529 --> 00:29:04.799 . Maybe you could explain what each 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.150 one of those the Sadie and the Katie and the safety and and 00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:08.880 what their 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:13.119 significance is. Okay let's just pick the overhead for an 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:14.160 example from left to 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:19.410 right. Feeder this would be BB the Bonnie Bray substation. 00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:20.880 213 that would be the 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.519 number one transformer on the number three circuit out of 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:24.319 the Bonnie Bray 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.890 substation. So that would be one circuit on one transformer 00:29:28.890 --> 00:29:30.079 out of one substation. 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:36.160 Says 80% of that circuit is overhead. Sadie which is the 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.119 system duration it's 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.019 different than Katie for just that customer this would be 00:29:41.019 --> 00:29:41.819 for the system 00:29:41.819 --> 00:29:47.890 duration outages would be 46.15 the Katie would be the 22. 00:29:47.890 --> 00:29:49.440 54 of the minutes of 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.799 duration so system versus customer seen outages if outages 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.839 occur. The safety the 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.589 F is frequency how frequent do outages occur on that one 00:29:59.589 --> 00:30:01.319 circuit and so that 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.000 would tell you how many times that how frequent it would 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.759 occur. The ASAI you'd 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.549 see some numbers close to 100% nearly every time this is 00:30:09.549 --> 00:30:10.559 the total number of 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.710 possible hours in a year the electricity could be provided 00:30:14.710 --> 00:30:16.000 on that one circuit. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.970 And so this is the availability of that service and if you 00:30:19.970 --> 00:30:21.119 look at nearly any 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:24.920 electric utility company across the country that's always 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.240 going to be 99.9 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.450 something. It's however many nines you have after the 00:30:30.450 --> 00:30:31.519 decimal place really 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.240 tells you the differences because for the most part 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:35.559 electric utilities are 00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:39.400 very very reliable. Yes we do have issues storm related 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.079 what weather squirrels 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.680 vehicular damages accidents but for the most part very good 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:46.799 success rate on 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.670 keeping the lights on. That's where I was going because you 00:30:49.670 --> 00:30:51.160 see that there's 20 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:56.799 events on that one feeder but yet you're still at 99.991 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:58.319 percent. That's correct. 00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.289 It's pretty good. Yes it is. Thank you for bringing that 00:31:02.289 --> 00:31:04.319 out. 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:11.279 Other questions? No? All right thank you Brent. Okay thank 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:18.279 you all. Okay excuse me 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.440 although we have it shows we have a closed meeting 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.119 following work session 00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:31.019 for the benefit of our televised meeting rather than 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.559 interrupt and then have to 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.119 come back after that. If it's okay we'll just put the 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.519 closed meeting the executive 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.240 meeting at the end of the meeting and we'll go right into 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.759 the regular meeting. 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.289 That's okay with everybody. So the first item we have item 00:31:48.289 --> 00:31:49.599 one is the consent 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:56.900 agenda. We have two items on the consent agenda. Any member 00:31:56.900 --> 00:31:58.839 would like to have 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:03.359 those pull for an individual consideration? 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:14.400 Hearing none just one thing I don't we have to pull it but 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.559 just as a comment on 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:24.410 item number A for those for the for the Derek truck for DME 00:32:24.410 --> 00:32:24.839 that is a 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.529 replacement of an existing vehicle. I don't know if that 00:32:28.529 --> 00:32:29.619 was clear enough in 00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:33.589 the backup but that is a replacement of an existing vehicle 00:32:33.589 --> 00:32:37.519 . Okay so nobody needs 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:41.029 anything pulled so is there a motion to accept or approve 00:32:41.029 --> 00:32:43.759 the consent agenda as 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:48.559 presented? I'll move. Second. We have a motion and second 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.519 any any questions or 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:59.369 discussion on that? Hearing none all in favor say aye. Aye. 00:32:59.369 --> 00:33:00.680 Any opposed same sign? 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:06.079 Okay consent items are approved. Items for individual 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.000 consideration we 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:13.849 have public utility board meetings of December 11th 2017 00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:15.240 have been distributed 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:21.029 and is there any questions changes comments on that from 00:33:21.029 --> 00:33:24.039 anybody? Hearing 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:29.880 none we'll we can consider those approved by consensus then 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.720 as presented. 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.390 Item number B which is consider recommending adoption of an 00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:37.480 ordinance of 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.450 the City of Denton approving a real estate exchange and 00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:41.960 abandonment 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:46.119 agreement between the city and Marsom property excuse me 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:47.200 Marsom Enterprises 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:56.160 Incorporated. Good morning Paul Williamson real estate 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.079 manager before you 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.059 for your consideration today we're going to be talking 00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:03.440 about a an agreement that 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:08.440 we've put together with the Marsom folks the people that 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:09.760 own Briscoe Tire here in 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.889 Denton the corner of Eagle and Elm Street. Associated with 00:34:14.889 --> 00:34:15.840 the Eagle Drive 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:22.690 Drainage Phase 2 project on the screen here we've got the 00:34:22.690 --> 00:34:23.559 initial phase of the 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.530 project was was on the from Elm Street over to Wainwright 00:34:27.530 --> 00:34:28.679 it's it's now in 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:33.030 place and the the phase that we're presently looking at is 00:34:33.030 --> 00:34:34.679 phase 2 which is 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.610 a connection of some existing boxes that were put in when 00:34:37.610 --> 00:34:38.880 quick trip went in on 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.849 the south side of Eagle and and the dashed line is the 00:34:42.849 --> 00:34:44.920 project at hand we're 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:51.019 hoping to get to real soon. The solution here is is y'all 00:34:51.019 --> 00:34:53.320 may well know is that 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.550 this area is somewhat of in a bowl it's it's a low point at 00:34:57.550 --> 00:34:58.960 Carroll and Eagle 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.199 and there's some a lot of localized flooding there even 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:03.239 with a very minor 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.449 storm event we we have a foot of water there at the 00:35:06.449 --> 00:35:07.519 intersection of Carroll and 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:15.820 Eagle and this this project will help mitigate that. Paul 00:35:15.820 --> 00:35:16.760 real quick 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.119 question this would you go back to that slide we just 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.280 saying is this kind of the 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:30.719 completion of that section of drainage project is it does 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.639 that get us all the 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.849 way to Pecan Creek? Yes, yeah it goes all the way to the 00:35:34.849 --> 00:35:36.599 outfall the project that was done 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.880 many many years ago you know obviously with any drainage 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:41.960 project it's always a 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.800 segmental solution you know there's parts to the west that 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:46.440 are will be in 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:57.960 some future CIPs. So the particular transaction is hand is 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.119 that we've worked 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.460 out a prospective settlement with the Mars Am folks to the 00:36:04.460 --> 00:36:05.880 drainage boxes in 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.500 this instance will be going along the east side of Myrtle 00:36:09.500 --> 00:36:11.920 Street from let's 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:18.920 see the new drainage boxes will will be sorry 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.809 the new drainage boxes will be in this area here and they 00:36:24.809 --> 00:36:27.159 'll wrap around and go 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.219 project over to the east along the north side there's an 00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:32.039 existing channel here 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.690 that snugs right up against the building so the the idea 00:36:36.690 --> 00:36:38.360 here is that we're will 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.110 be building a new set of boxes larger more cross-sectional 00:36:42.110 --> 00:36:43.320 area to carry more 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:48.800 flow underground around the building and we're proposing to 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:50.440 exchange outright 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.650 exchange what we call the San Miguel tract which was a 00:36:53.650 --> 00:36:54.719 small house lot that 00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:00.059 we purchased in 2016 it's in the green and the Mars Am 00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:02.719 folks are agreeable that 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.929 that will do basically some exchanging will be abandoning 00:37:05.929 --> 00:37:07.079 some of the existing 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:11.239 easement that will no longer need and they'll be acquiring 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:12.440 fee fee title to 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:17.039 the area in green and then this little red strip which is 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:18.739 what we call a margin 00:37:18.739 --> 00:37:21.500 tract it was a tract that dropped off the tax rolls many 00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:22.559 many many years ago 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:26.329 should have actually traded with the Mars Am track so so 00:37:26.329 --> 00:37:27.480 the idea is that 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:32.920 we're basically going to exchange like acreages for the 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:34.599 land rights the city 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.599 needs to do the project 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.130 so the essence of the transaction is that Marston will be 00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:47.440 conveying to the 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.409 city a right-of-way track along Myrtle for the the Myrtle 00:37:51.409 --> 00:37:52.960 Street right-of-way 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.440 the ultimate Myrtle and then the drainage easement and the 00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:58.119 city would be 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.429 conveying the fee track the margin tract and then we would 00:38:02.429 --> 00:38:03.480 also abandon our 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.690 interest in those segments of the drainage easement that we 00:38:06.690 --> 00:38:07.320 're going to 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:11.840 bypass with moving the boxes to another location 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.960 sure 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:35.250 yes sir and that's that's an easement yes it was a planted 00:38:35.250 --> 00:38:40.239 easement yes sir so 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:40.239 that easement will go away once the projects complete will 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.239 the ideas that 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.690 were released the easement in that track rest of that is 00:38:49.690 --> 00:38:51.440 all of that property or 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:55.440 is it just the easement over by the street it's being 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.000 exchanged the 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:03.250 exchange tracks are are this this area here where the 00:39:03.250 --> 00:39:05.519 existing channel is so 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.309 it's an open channel actually right there and then we have 00:39:09.309 --> 00:39:10.320 some there's a 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.409 portion of that channel is closed here which will also be 00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:15.880 abandoned and then 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.090 there's a there's a an additional easement here with it 00:39:19.090 --> 00:39:19.760 where they put in 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.969 a catch basin many years ago an additional catch basin so 00:39:22.969 --> 00:39:24.239 all of the 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.070 dotted yellow area is to be abandoned upon the completion 00:39:28.070 --> 00:39:29.760 of the project and 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:35.349 and the hatched drainage easement is to remain because the 00:39:35.349 --> 00:39:36.920 boxes will actually be 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.170 going through many portions of that area and then the areas 00:39:41.170 --> 00:39:42.519 that the city is to 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:46.920 acquire is the right-of-way tract which is this blue tract 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.719 and we need the we 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.210 need a little bit more at the corner to work out future 00:39:51.210 --> 00:39:53.320 sidewalk landing and then 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:58.719 this purple or magenta tract is also just an outright 00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.760 drainage easement that 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:08.619 will be acquiring from Marsom so that actually I mean 00:40:08.619 --> 00:40:10.079 basically we're taking 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.840 one easement exchanging out and then picking up right away 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:16.840 on Myrtle which we 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.280 don't have that now right no correct no and then exchange 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:22.920 for that it's 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:28.639 basically the the the green track up at the top yeah this 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:29.840 this green tract and 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.349 then also this little which which is gonna have is that 00:40:32.349 --> 00:40:33.239 gonna have that will 00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:36.260 have an easement through it as well we will retain both 00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:37.559 drainage and utility 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.429 easements and all those tracks it'll it'll be pretty much 00:40:40.429 --> 00:40:41.320 fully encumbered 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:50.659 with easement okay all right any other questions comments 00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:53.280 no we have a motion 00:40:53.280 --> 00:41:00.960 for item B recommend approval we have a motion to approve 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.800 is there a second 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:09.650 second discussion all in favor say aye any opposed same 00:41:09.650 --> 00:41:11.559 sign okay motion passes 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:18.409 thank you Paul thank you next item we have for 00:41:18.409 --> 00:41:20.480 consideration is item C which 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.690 is to consider recommending adoption of an ordinance rev 00:41:23.690 --> 00:41:25.320 ising parameters within 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.840 the credit and collection policy of the city utility system 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:38.360 good morning happy 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.920 new year I'm Tiffany Thompson the customer service manager 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:41.800 bringing forth 00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:46.789 the credit collection ordinance revisions today in November 00:41:46.789 --> 00:41:47.960 2010 we did 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.539 update this ordinance based off of the amount of uncollect 00:41:50.539 --> 00:41:51.559 ible debt that we had 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.159 and just overall enhancing the credit collection policies 00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:56.280 that were in place 00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.869 over the last several months we've had discussions with the 00:41:58.869 --> 00:41:59.719 Public Utilities 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.539 Board and with council on how we can enhance the policies 00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:04.440 and also add 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.789 additional programs to assist our customers the first 00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:09.119 change that we have 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.699 is updating the plus one program we're going to be 00:42:11.699 --> 00:42:13.119 increasing funding from 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.510 100,000 to 125,000 and allowing funds to be allocated 00:42:17.510 --> 00:42:19.840 towards deposits and the 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.329 contract we're also going to be updating specific 00:42:22.329 --> 00:42:24.679 guidelines and criteria to be 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.570 able to understand the barriers that our customers are 00:42:27.570 --> 00:42:28.880 facing to in order to get 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.420 more data on a monthly basis for the vendor that's going to 00:42:31.420 --> 00:42:32.320 be overseeing the 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.780 contract and then also being able to assist families more 00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:36.679 than once in a 12 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:40.480 month period and also regardless of tenure at the address 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:41.519 all of the changes 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.900 with plus one are contractual changes and so you won't see 00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:45.679 that in city 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.190 ordinance but we are going out for the request for a 00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:49.400 proposal right now that's 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.139 actually going to be hitting the newspapers within the week 00:42:53.139 --> 00:42:53.880 or so for us 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.090 to get the competitive bids on that and we will bring forth 00:42:57.090 --> 00:42:57.639 the contract 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.800 recommendations for you and council's approval and late 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.719 spring and that 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:06.690 contract will go into effect in July of this year we are 00:43:06.690 --> 00:43:08.320 adding a homelessness 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.300 deposit waiver to be able to address a specific community 00:43:11.300 --> 00:43:12.119 need for those 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.329 individuals or families that are experiencing homelessness 00:43:15.329 --> 00:43:15.639 and are 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.730 working with a partner agency to be able to be permanently 00:43:19.730 --> 00:43:20.800 rehomed and we've 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.039 already crafted the application process that the 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:25.320 organizations we're going to 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.530 partner with to fill out in order to make sure that they 00:43:28.530 --> 00:43:29.519 qualify for it and 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.730 the form letter that the customer will provide to customer 00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:33.639 service to get that 00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.639 deposit waiver done so everything's ready we're just 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:37.440 waiting for the 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:41.409 approval to get that executed the parameters that we're 00:43:41.409 --> 00:43:42.519 updating for the 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.909 credit and collection is the overdue interest points 00:43:45.909 --> 00:43:47.400 associated and they're 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.610 modifying the rating scale points accrued and the deposit 00:43:50.610 --> 00:43:51.440 required for 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.679 our existing customers so for overdue interest that's when 00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:55.519 someone brings 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.239 forth a balance to the next month's bill the points 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.119 currently are 100 that's 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.119 going to be updated to zero points associated for that 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.559 event and then for 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.800 existing customers we are going to be eliminating the F 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.599 customer rating and 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.730 then the the scale for the C and the D customers or it is 00:44:13.730 --> 00:44:15.159 shifting a little bit 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.860 and then we're only going to be requiring a one month 00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:18.920 deposit for the D 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.670 rated customers and then a two month deposit for the e 00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:25.880 customers for our 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.519 disconnection procedures customer service has internal 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:29.360 policy that we've 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.570 been following in regards to disconnections during holidays 00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:33.360 weekends 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.190 and also during times of extreme weather we wanted to take 00:44:36.190 --> 00:44:37.440 this opportunity to 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.090 get that verbiage into ordinance it's not an ordinance now 00:44:41.090 --> 00:44:41.760 just for 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.110 transparency and for our customers to be able to know 00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:46.760 exactly why or when we do 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.969 not disconnect services so for holidays and weekends we do 00:44:49.969 --> 00:44:50.360 not issue 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.829 disconnects for the weeks of Thanksgiving Christmas and New 00:44:53.829 --> 00:44:54.320 Year's 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.559 nor the weekends or the days before after those days for 00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:59.000 extreme weather if 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.969 the forecasted temperatures fall below 32 or 100 and above 00:45:02.969 --> 00:45:03.760 we do not issue 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.989 disconnection of services as well and we're adding also the 00:45:06.989 --> 00:45:07.679 additional 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.349 parameter about the heat advisory so if there's been a heat 00:45:10.349 --> 00:45:11.320 advisory issued for 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.159 Denton County we will not be doing disconnection of 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:15.199 services and so we're 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.400 adding that new into ordinance for your consideration as 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.320 well today the 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.079 implementation timeline the plus one again that's all 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.199 contractual changes 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:28.130 we're doing the solicitation process now we'll be bringing 00:45:28.130 --> 00:45:29.119 that force you in the 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.360 next couple months for your consideration the homelessness 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:32.840 deposit 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:35.769 waiver we have all the applicable forms ready to go as soon 00:45:35.769 --> 00:45:36.880 as we get the green 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.519 lot we'll be able to execute that immediately and the 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:40.119 credit and 00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.989 collection policy changes once we have their approval we do 00:45:42.989 --> 00:45:43.860 need a partner with 00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:47.099 our customer information system to get those modifications 00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:48.420 into our system we 00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:50.909 hope to have that done at the latest the very beginning of 00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:51.320 February but 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.949 potentially could have that done much earlier with that and 00:45:54.949 --> 00:45:55.840 so with that I'd 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.130 be happy to answer any questions yes ma'am can you go back 00:46:00.130 --> 00:46:03.519 to your ABCDEF 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:08.860 how many customers are then not are gonna move to not 00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:10.480 having the two-month 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.889 average but the one month average for a C rating we did an 00:46:13.889 --> 00:46:15.079 initial analysis of 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.570 what the change is the proposed change would be it's about 00:46:17.570 --> 00:46:19.239 1800 customers okay 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:23.360 total would go to the pardon me let me clarify for you that 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:24.519 are be going to the 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.190 the rating where it would only be the one month deposit and 00:46:28.190 --> 00:46:29.639 then 710 of our 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:33.000 customers actually would not qualify for an additional 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.239 deposit now so that's 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.730 going to be the impact with that we'll have final numbers 00:46:36.730 --> 00:46:37.360 once we put because 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.719 it's very fluid it changes with that but that's the initial 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.920 assessment right now 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:48.769 for that thank you with the weekend and holiday policy is 00:46:48.769 --> 00:46:49.920 that a is that a 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.599 change I guess is that a significant change there's not 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:54.400 change the only 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.139 addition that we added was the heat advisory we weren't 00:46:57.139 --> 00:46:57.760 previously 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.190 following that and we thought it would be important to 00:47:00.190 --> 00:47:00.760 follow that as well 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.019 because that's one of the things customers would bring up 00:47:03.019 --> 00:47:03.599 it may not hit 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.809 actual temperatures of a hundred but the heat advisory may 00:47:06.809 --> 00:47:07.639 be over that so we 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.699 wanted to make sure to place that in there as well I 00:47:10.699 --> 00:47:11.960 noticed that in the 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:18.809 actual verbiage of the ordinance it says that it service 00:47:18.809 --> 00:47:19.159 shall not be 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:24.099 disconnected on the whole weekends and holidays if there's 00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:25.280 not a staff member 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.489 present to accept to accept payment yes and what we follow 00:47:28.489 --> 00:47:30.119 is we don't just 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.559 connect during the those times with that pardon me we 00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.039 follow that if we're not 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.539 available to take payment we don't disconnect but we follow 00:47:38.539 --> 00:47:39.119 this very 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:42.380 strictly in regards to we don't disconnect during holidays 00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:44.000 weekends with 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.349 the day proceeding or after that so even if you had a staff 00:47:47.349 --> 00:47:48.079 member they're 00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.289 available to accept payments you wouldn't just know we're 00:47:51.289 --> 00:47:52.079 following the 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.719 what the ordinance says right here I understand what you're 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:55.480 saying well the 00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.699 ordinance says it actually specifies that if that a staff 00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:01.119 member that you won't 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.429 disconnect if it's a weekend or a holiday and a staff 00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:06.360 member is not 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.570 present we could we could definitely change I'm just saying 00:48:09.570 --> 00:48:10.039 if you feel like 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.099 that's present then you could disconnect on those days if 00:48:13.099 --> 00:48:14.440 there was one present 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:18.409 understood what we follow is we don't disconnect with that 00:48:18.409 --> 00:48:18.760 so we can 00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.320 definitely make that change and just another question have 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:23.320 you had anybody 00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:28.760 asking for holidays that we might not recognize 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.639 traditionally in our community 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.119 like other religious holidays no sir that question not that 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:35.880 I'm aware of okay 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:42.730 thank you so that brings another question is there a 00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:43.679 definition of what 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.409 you all deem to be the holidays the holidays we articulated 00:48:47.409 --> 00:48:48.280 is the week of 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:52.949 Thanksgiving Christmas and New Year's and it's that whole 00:48:52.949 --> 00:48:53.980 week that that's 00:48:53.980 --> 00:49:03.460 observed question yeah so just as a clar to clarify kind of 00:49:03.460 --> 00:49:04.360 stating stating the 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.570 obvious but just but also for the benefit of anybody 00:49:07.570 --> 00:49:08.679 watching it if 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.280 somebody's power is has already been disconnected during 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:14.679 times of extreme 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.940 weather or holidays and weekends obviously it stays 00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:19.440 disconnected if it 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:23.150 was disconnected previously like the week before and they 00:49:23.150 --> 00:49:23.800 haven't reconnected 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.369 yeah yeah yes yeah it remains but of course we would get 00:49:28.369 --> 00:49:29.199 that reconnected if 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:33.170 they contacted us and and we would issue the reconnect for 00:49:33.170 --> 00:49:33.639 that but we're not 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:37.610 doing any proactive news yes no no no disconnection yeah 00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:38.440 but so there are 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.690 customers who have had their power disconnected who are 00:49:43.690 --> 00:49:45.239 without power at 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.840 times of extreme weather and over the holidays only no new 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:51.119 disconnects during 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.869 those times yeah I don't know the exact number of who would 00:49:53.869 --> 00:49:54.639 not reconnect 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.179 services most times what we see is if they didn't reconnect 00:49:57.179 --> 00:49:57.880 services it's 00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.039 because they vacated the property with that but we don't we 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:03.239 're not aware of 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.170 anyone that's been disconnected and didn't reconnect prior 00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:07.500 that isn't isn't 00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:10.710 there with that so I don't have exact numbers on that but 00:50:10.710 --> 00:50:12.079 correct we don't do 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.280 any new disconnections thank you 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:22.280 I just I just I'm sorry I have to clarify something about 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.719 holidays so it 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:29.420 says holiday and then it says also enlists Thanksgiving 00:50:29.420 --> 00:50:30.800 Christmas and New 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.150 Year's but I believe we just asked a question about what 00:50:34.150 --> 00:50:35.320 are the holidays and 00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.989 then you said Thanksgiving Christmas and New Year's so I 00:50:37.989 --> 00:50:39.119 was actually assuming 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.110 that if it was like a national holiday where ordinary 00:50:42.110 --> 00:50:43.360 businesses would be 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.329 closed that that counts as a holiday in this capacity as 00:50:47.329 --> 00:50:48.039 well that's a good 00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:52.929 that's a very good point we do observe like Memorial Day 00:50:52.929 --> 00:50:53.480 for the third day 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:56.750 that's coming up that's a very good point so that might be 00:50:56.750 --> 00:50:57.599 an opportunity to 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.239 update that so those are included yes sir so it's really 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:02.599 holidays that the 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.260 city is closed plus the weeks of Thanksgiving Christmas and 00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.480 New Year's 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.449 I was seeking that clarification too so thank you very good 00:51:13.449 --> 00:51:15.159 thank you any other 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:23.719 questions comments I just I want to say thank you thanks to 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.159 to staff and my 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:31.579 everyone on PUB and council for these improvements to the 00:51:31.579 --> 00:51:33.079 deposit program I 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:38.260 I've been very openly critical of the deposit program I'm 00:51:38.260 --> 00:51:39.960 happy to see these 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.670 improvements I think there's a long way to go but I really 00:51:44.670 --> 00:51:46.239 appreciate these 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.059 improvements and I appreciate the the creativity that I saw 00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:51.039 at the council 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:55.829 work session where those parameters were changed and it's 00:51:55.829 --> 00:51:57.599 you know looking at the 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:02.510 numbers that I think you said what 1800 customers will be 00:52:02.510 --> 00:52:04.760 changed from one to 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.599 two months and for the 710 customers that correct no 00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:09.719 additional deposits 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:15.039 so those those individuals those customers will experience 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:16.119 a real change 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:23.050 there were and of other customers who won't and I just want 00:52:23.050 --> 00:52:25.239 to add that I'm 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:32.360 going to keep pushing for more reforms to this system and 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:33.880 also for something 00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:37.889 that I mentioned before which is the idea of a low income 00:52:37.889 --> 00:52:39.119 deposit waiver 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:44.559 however we define low income and I have a map and I would 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.559 be happy to share this 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.289 with staff and people on on on PUB but a map and this is 00:52:52.289 --> 00:52:55.039 just taken from US 00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:03.050 census information dot provides information about average 00:53:03.050 --> 00:53:04.039 income median 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:09.360 income sorry based on neighborhood and there is a striking 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:10.280 correspondence if 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:17.130 you compare median incomes of neighborhoods in Denton to 00:53:17.130 --> 00:53:18.639 the map that 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.849 that that you all provided with which I appreciated that 00:53:21.849 --> 00:53:22.719 showed where the 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:26.690 multifamily and residential and commercial deposits are 00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:27.199 there's a 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.750 remarkable correspondence between clusters of multifamily 00:53:30.750 --> 00:53:32.480 deposits and our 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:35.199 lowest income neighborhoods which you know according to 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.159 this the census data 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:46.559 you know count is to 29,000 to 39,000 or 29,000 or less so 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:47.000 there is 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.909 correspondence between these clusters and and that's 00:53:51.909 --> 00:53:55.639 significant enough to me to 00:53:55.639 --> 00:54:01.400 suggest that that we need to keep looking into you know who 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:02.639 are these these 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:11.230 customers are who are in these lower ranked deposit 00:54:11.230 --> 00:54:15.039 categories and you know 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:19.179 as we plow ahead and also as we consider you know what we 00:54:19.179 --> 00:54:20.719 want to ask for from 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:25.320 the new whoever is going to facilitate the plus one program 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:26.440 you know things 00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:30.119 for them to look into so I see this is a work in progress I 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.360 'm happy with the 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.710 direction that that it's moving in and I just wanted to 00:54:35.710 --> 00:54:37.199 thank people for for 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:47.960 working on this so thanks motion I move motion to approve 00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.679 in a second any 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:55.079 discussion I just one question yes Brendan's question about 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:56.119 clarification on 00:54:56.119 --> 00:55:00.090 when staff is is present is that going to be addressed in a 00:55:00.090 --> 00:55:01.519 change yeah that's 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.840 what I understand we'll address the this was the new 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:07.719 language in the ordinance 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:13.280 correct right right yeah that there's not going to be any 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.280 disconnects where 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:18.159 there's their staff there or not 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:26.070 okay thank you thank you thanks for that clarification all 00:55:26.070 --> 00:55:27.199 in favor the motion say 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:36.199 aye any opposed same time okay motion passes next item we 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.519 have is item D which 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.869 is to consider recommending adoption of an ordinance 00:55:42.869 --> 00:55:44.280 approve a contract to 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:48.650 supply for the supply of work so a gas engine lubrication 00:55:48.650 --> 00:55:49.960 oil and cooling 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:58.639 system glycol for DEC good morning I'm Chris Ludrick I'm an 00:55:58.639 --> 00:55:59.599 engineer with DME 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.579 and I one of the project managers for the Denton Energy 00:56:02.579 --> 00:56:04.000 Center so I have a 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.360 very short presentation here to to highlight the 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.119 information provided in 00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:14.369 your packet for IFB 6632 it's the purchase of two fluids 00:56:14.369 --> 00:56:15.519 for the didn't 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:21.929 gas engines that's the lube oil and glycol so I'll kind of 00:56:21.929 --> 00:56:23.159 go over an 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.369 internal combustion engine overview to kind of show you 00:56:26.369 --> 00:56:27.519 what we're buying and 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.489 why we're why we're buying it the summary of the bids the 00:56:31.489 --> 00:56:31.760 staff 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.519 recommendations and then any questions you may have so a 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.380 short presentation so 00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:40.269 I had to jazz it up here a little bit so here's an 00:56:40.269 --> 00:56:43.239 animation we have of a four 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.780 stroke engine very very similar to what you have in your 00:56:46.780 --> 00:56:48.159 autumn in your car or 00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:52.730 truck down here is the the rotating part so the camshaft 00:56:52.730 --> 00:56:55.039 rods and pistons so or 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.800 this engine looks a little low on oil here but this area is 00:56:58.800 --> 00:56:59.480 where the 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.000 lubrication oil which is probably the most critical fluid 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:03.800 in an engine 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.300 provides lubrication for the moving parts it also has a 00:57:07.300 --> 00:57:08.639 secondary function 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:13.769 as it's used to absorb heat so the second second item we 00:57:13.769 --> 00:57:14.739 have is for the 00:57:14.739 --> 00:57:18.710 glycol so up in the head area of an engine you have water 00:57:18.710 --> 00:57:19.599 circulating just 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.809 like again very similar to your car so you have water 00:57:22.809 --> 00:57:24.440 circulating in this area 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:29.360 of the engine to remove heat but also on the lower end 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:30.519 where you cannot have any 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:38.530 water the oil provides a cooling a cooling function so once 00:57:38.530 --> 00:57:40.000 again those are 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.019 the two the two functions for the two fluids that we're 00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:44.039 buying I just thought 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.539 it throw a little kind of one oh engine 101 in there we 00:57:47.539 --> 00:57:50.280 received seven bits on 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.599 this IFB and it was a dual-purpose IFB so we set out one IF 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:55.920 B for two purchases 00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.639 both of these items are usually supplied through a 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.360 distributor that supplies both 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.400 the engine oil and glycol and other and other fluids so 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:05.760 kind of made sense to 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:09.480 send it out as one bid so we received seven bids for the l 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:10.639 ube oil and seven 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.440 bids for the antifreeze or glycol the oil bids ranged from 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:16.880 five dollars and 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:20.309 seventy nine cents per gallon up to a seven dollars and 00:58:20.309 --> 00:58:21.760 thirty nine cents per 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.730 gallon and the glycol bids ranged from seventy nine 00:58:25.730 --> 00:58:26.639 thousand nine hundred 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.849 fifty three dollars to a hundred and seventy two thousand 00:58:29.849 --> 00:58:30.679 eight hundred and 00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.440 twenty five dollars the oil was it was a fixed quantity 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.360 this will be a single 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.880 purchase of fifty seven thousand gallons of lube oil so 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:39.960 each engine is gonna 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.440 contain will hold about four thousand gallons of oil so 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:44.719 that's about forty 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.500 eight thousand gallons and then we have some on-site 00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:48.679 storage tank where we'll 00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.349 keep in a maintenance amount of oil on site so this 00:58:52.349 --> 00:58:53.639 purchase should get us 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.039 through the first couple of years so it's a single purchase 00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.280 glycol on the 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:02.250 other hand is a as you see the amounts here are the total 00:59:02.250 --> 00:59:03.679 amount so we went to 00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:06.170 the manufacturers and everybody's products a little 00:59:06.170 --> 00:59:06.639 different the 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:10.869 molecular weight of their product is a little different so 00:59:10.869 --> 00:59:12.159 we said we want to 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:16.760 freeze protect our cooling system total cooling system down 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:18.000 to 15 degrees 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.800 Fahrenheit so therefore we had different values or 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:22.280 different quantities that 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.489 would be supplied by each manufacturer so the bid that we 00:59:25.489 --> 00:59:26.719 would that we want to 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:31.000 go with from O'Rourke their quantity is eight thousand 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:32.360 seven hundred gallons of 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:37.719 glycol so our staff recommendation is the lowest cost bid 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:38.639 was submitted by 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.550 Reader distributors Inc. they're out of Fort Worth Texas 00:59:41.550 --> 00:59:42.519 and that's not to 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:47.679 exceed three hundred and thirty thousand dollars the glycol 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:48.920 the lowest cost bid 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.889 was submitted by O'Rourke distribution company also out of 00:59:52.889 --> 00:59:54.119 Fort Worth Texas and 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.329 that amounts seventy nine thousand nine hundred and fifty 00:59:57.329 --> 01:00:00.280 three dollars so at 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:04.849 this time it's pretty short presentation any questions you 01:00:04.849 --> 01:00:05.679 may have in the 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.590 documentation it looked like there are some pretty specific 01:00:10.590 --> 01:00:11.880 specifications for 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.849 the oil yes sir and it didn't look like there were that 01:00:15.849 --> 01:00:17.320 many specifications for 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.320 the glycol product no sir that there is not so there is 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.440 there were there is two 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:26.409 main choices that you have in the antifreeze coolant realm 01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:26.760 that's a 01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:31.079 monopropylene glycol or ethylene glycol ethylene glycols 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:31.960 most people are used to 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:36.610 is the bright yellow it's it's it's more toxic the prop 01:00:36.610 --> 01:00:38.119 ylene glycol is more 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.920 environmental friendly so Wardzilla you can go with either 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:42.840 one some parts of the 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:44.889 country if you're a little further south Arizona you wouldn 01:00:44.889 --> 01:00:46.320 't have to have any any 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.400 any antifreeze in there but but where we where we said in 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.119 North Texas a prime 01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:54.940 example would be last week where we experienced 01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:56.760 temperatures below freezing 01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.110 for you know 60 hours the inside the engine hall of course 01:01:00.110 --> 01:01:01.199 that's heated so 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:04.570 the engines there wouldn't be a problem of a freeze there 01:01:04.570 --> 01:01:05.480 where you would damage 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.690 the engine that the antifreeze is needed on the exterior 01:01:08.690 --> 01:01:10.039 part so the radiators are 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:14.280 sitting outside so that that cooling fluid and in a time 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:14.880 when maybe you're 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.920 not running in the winter would be exposed so our 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:19.019 recommendation was in a 01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:23.309 15 to 20 degree range so that's the quantity of glycol that 01:01:23.309 --> 01:01:24.199 we put out today 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:28.800 what what do you think accounted for the bid despite I mean 01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:29.960 disparity there was 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.829 one hundred and seventy six thousand and one for seventy 01:01:32.829 --> 01:01:34.760 just there's quite a few 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.559 bits and and and I would the answer to that would be is is 01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.880 most everybody bid 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.659 on the oil so the oil is the larger purchase and then they 01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:43.480 may have to they 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.829 may have to go out and sub out or or broker out another ant 01:01:46.829 --> 01:01:48.440 ifreeze purchase so 01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:51.010 I would say for the ability to bid on both even though they 01:01:51.010 --> 01:01:52.440 didn't have to that 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:57.090 they chose to put a number in there to see okay so you don 01:01:57.090 --> 01:01:57.760 't feel like there's 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.440 any quality differences no between the lowest bidder 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:01.960 product and the highest 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.599 better product no sir no sir they'll be provided with a 01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:06.119 data sheet and there's a 01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.139 instrument I think it's called a refractometer so just like 01:02:09.139 --> 01:02:09.840 in the old 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.800 days you had a little press dome thing you take out the 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:13.800 sample and see where 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:16.289 that where the balls float in there there's a little more 01:02:16.289 --> 01:02:17.320 scientific method 01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:19.949 we have that the plan that Jason will have at the plant he 01:02:19.949 --> 01:02:20.960 'll be able to take 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.769 a sample and he'll be able to tell what its freeze point 01:02:24.769 --> 01:02:25.480 will be at that point 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:28.730 thank you we put that in the contract that they needed to 01:02:28.730 --> 01:02:30.239 supply their their 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:36.059 product to meet this this rating okay thank you question go 01:02:36.059 --> 01:02:37.800 ahead yeah I have a 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.170 question about cutting costs and you might have looked into 01:02:41.170 --> 01:02:43.000 this all already 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.210 outside of the bidding process or maybe as part of the 01:02:46.210 --> 01:02:48.880 bidding process but I 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.449 think you mentioned that the lube oil is enough for one to 01:02:53.449 --> 01:02:54.880 two years is that 01:02:54.880 --> 01:03:01.289 correct yes so did you look into the possibility of 01:03:01.289 --> 01:03:03.000 purchasing it and what 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:09.110 the price difference would be if we were to purchase it in 01:03:09.110 --> 01:03:11.199 a smaller amount in 01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:18.050 considering that we that we now know that all 12 engines 01:03:18.050 --> 01:03:19.639 aren't necessary 01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:24.239 possibly say it's just hypothetical say we end up divesting 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:25.440 some I mean you know 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:30.039 just to look into saving costs making sure that we don't 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.719 end up with all this 01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:34.480 lube oil that we don't end up using or is this one of these 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:35.400 situations where 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:41.329 you pay less to get more what's what's the most cost- 01:03:41.329 --> 01:03:43.199 effective way to get the 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.000 least amount that we need and have the least waste very 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:50.360 good question so we if 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:53.599 I understand it right we this oil purchase there's about 4, 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.440 000 gallons per 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:59.250 engine so we have to fill up all 12 engines through our 01:03:59.250 --> 01:04:00.539 construction 01:04:00.539 --> 01:04:03.750 commissioning phase of the project all the engines have to 01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:04.760 be filled with oil 01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.820 so that's that's the bulk of the purchase from the 01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:08.760 beginning from the 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.429 beginning got it and then once and that oil also provides 01:04:12.429 --> 01:04:14.480 you some protection 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.349 features so all of them those that's all steel in there all 01:04:17.349 --> 01:04:18.559 gets coated with oil 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.199 so it needs it needs to have oil in it so that the purchase 01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:23.119 the reason we were 01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.610 bringing it up now is they're they're getting close to 01:04:25.610 --> 01:04:26.239 ready to fill those 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.199 engines so at that point here at the end of the month that 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:30.280 they will be filled 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:35.989 with oil if you didn't run them the oil the oil still be in 01:04:35.989 --> 01:04:37.039 there so the extra 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.679 amount we got it is the maintenance amount so we have a 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:40.840 tank on hand so we 01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:44.809 use the bulk purchase of all of that oil to go ahead and 01:04:44.809 --> 01:04:46.320 fill up our maintenance 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:50.400 tank so that we could take advantage of that large oil 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.760 purchase we were getting 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.969 some quotes or kind of we're just talking around that oil 01:04:54.969 --> 01:04:55.719 you know if you 01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:58.929 buy a gallon it's probably ten or fifteen dollars a gallon 01:04:58.929 --> 01:05:00.280 so we kind of maximized 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.340 our purchase by buying our amount we needed for the first 01:05:04.340 --> 01:05:05.519 couple years of 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:08.429 maintenance all in a single purchase and how much and 01:05:08.429 --> 01:05:09.920 apologies if you have 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.309 already mentioned this but how much will be in the 01:05:13.309 --> 01:05:16.199 maintenance tank after you fill 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.199 up I think it's gonna be about ten ten thousand gallons ten 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:21.119 thousand gallons 01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.920 roughly two engines okay and that's enough for maintenance 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:25.800 for one to two 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.320 years yeah yeah we're determining so this oil is a little 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:29.800 different than your 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.659 car Jiffy Lube's not gonna come put a sticker on there that 01:05:32.659 --> 01:05:33.719 says three months 01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:37.690 or three years or 30,000 or 3,000 miles you have to change 01:05:37.690 --> 01:05:39.480 your oil so like I 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:43.559 said that the oil is very key to the life of these engines 01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.219 so they'll be 01:05:44.219 --> 01:05:48.579 taking oil samples so there's not really a change like a a 01:05:48.579 --> 01:05:49.639 point where you have 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:52.260 to change the oil out they'll be taking samples of this oil 01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.119 send it off it'll 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:56.800 come back and there's some condemning factors so if you 01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:58.239 have a leak so say 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:00.789 your radiator is leaking or the cooling system leaks a 01:06:00.789 --> 01:06:02.000 little water in the oil 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.230 you're gonna degrade that oil so when we send that in for 01:06:05.230 --> 01:06:06.159 tests they're gonna 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.010 come back and say yeah you're still above it's still it's 01:06:09.010 --> 01:06:09.960 still good oil or 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.510 it's not good oil so these engines are gonna develop a 01:06:13.510 --> 01:06:15.639 characteristic of their 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.440 own you know if you hope you have no water leaks or 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:19.960 anything like that but 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.469 but so it'll be like on an engine by engine basis so we do 01:06:23.469 --> 01:06:24.639 have some 01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:28.610 abilities in this plant it's a very expensive purchase so 01:06:28.610 --> 01:06:29.360 we have the 01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.219 ability we have a maintenance tank so say the engine gets 01:06:32.219 --> 01:06:33.199 in and it needs some 01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.690 maintenance well you got to get the oil out so we have a 01:06:35.690 --> 01:06:36.400 maintenance tank we can 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:39.750 transfer that oil as a large quantity to a maintenance tank 01:06:39.750 --> 01:06:40.840 do the repairs and 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.860 then put that oil back in the engine so the plant set up to 01:06:43.860 --> 01:06:44.840 maximize the 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.440 to maximize the life of the engine one thanks for 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:49.880 explaining how that works 01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:59.440 you're welcome okay any other questions no hearing none is 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:00.639 there a motion then to 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:09.320 approve item D I move motion and a second to approve any 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:11.239 other discussion 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:17.489 hearing none all in favor say aye any opposed same sign 01:07:17.489 --> 01:07:18.840 okay thank you very 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:21.519 much thanks sir 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.519 okay 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:37.030 um all right ACM update yes good morning members of the 01:07:37.030 --> 01:07:38.760 board in your packet you 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:42.119 have the municipal electric transmission cost of service 01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:43.639 right filing that will 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:45.829 be made with the Public Utilities Commission of Texas if 01:07:45.829 --> 01:07:46.360 you have any 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.269 questions we have George Morrow here along with his staff 01:07:49.269 --> 01:07:49.960 to be able to 01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:55.150 answer any questions that you may have about that filing if 01:07:55.150 --> 01:07:57.679 not you have your 01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.369 future agenda items one thing I'd like to remind you all is 01:08:00.369 --> 01:08:01.119 that that next 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:05.429 meeting on the 22nd of January will be at 6 p.m. so it just 01:08:05.429 --> 01:08:06.599 will send that a 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.840 reminder but 6 p.m. on the 22nd in the council work session 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:10.639 room so we'll be 01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:15.239 here that evening at 6 p.m. on the 22nd and then we have 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.840 the new business matrix 01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:19.789 and I believe there were no items added in the month of 01:08:19.789 --> 01:08:21.439 December and so if 01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.409 there's anything that you want to add or or comment on we 01:08:25.409 --> 01:08:28.560 'll be trying to respond 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:37.760 accordingly don't hear any okay very good all right conclud 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.319 ing items any 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.369 member that has we'll actually I guess now is the time to 01:08:44.369 --> 01:08:45.800 put future agenda 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:54.100 items or suggestions for future agenda items from anybody 01:08:54.100 --> 01:08:58.279 hearing none okay 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:07.710 then we will now move into a closed meeting we're before 01:09:07.710 --> 01:09:10.880 for the purpose of 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:15.119 deliberations regarding certain public power