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The January 8th, 2018 public utility board meeting will

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call to order.

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It's nine o'clock and the first piece of business we have

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is a work session to

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receive an informational report regarding the DME program

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for underground

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electrical lines.

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Good morning Chairman Robinson, Public Utilities Board. I'm

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Brent Heath, Executive

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Manager for Energy Delivery. We received a question at a

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recent City Council

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meeting concerning the underground utilities in Denton, so

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a presentation

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has been created and will be presented to them tomorrow

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evening and we wanted

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to bring it to the Public Utilities Board today. The work

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session will discuss

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the comparisons and differences between overhead and

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underground utilities. I

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will briefly touch on a few of the things that have to be

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considered whenever

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we engineer projects to go underground, when we draw them

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up, convert them,

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especially when we convert from over existing overhead

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facilities to

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underground facilities, and then the associated cost. There

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are several

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documents that we follow and that we have policies that

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govern how we handle

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overhead and underground utilities in the City of Denton.

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The first one is the

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City of Denton Municipal Code, section 34-122 is the

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underground electric

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utility policy. The very first item on this code says that

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's the basic policy

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of the city to encourage installation of underground

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electric utilities in all

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new subdivisions and for commercial development. And there

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are several other

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bullet points down through there that you can read in the

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presentation.

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One of the things that we do utilize and along with the

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municipal code is we do

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have an electric service standards policy that's come

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before the Public

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Utilities Board and City Council and has been adopted. It

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does give the criteria

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of how we handle the differences for underground and

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electric utilities.

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Another document and governance policy that we follow is

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the Denton Plan 2030.

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It was preceded by the Denton Plan 2000 and you'll see here

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in just a little bit

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how I think some of these documents have really helped us

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here in the City of

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Denton to install more and more underground. The very first

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thing you

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might want to note here in section 9.5 of the Denton Plan

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2030 is it does relate

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to install an underground electric distribution facilities

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wherever

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practical. In 9.5.3 that's inside the box at the lower left

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your presentation it says fund the conversion of existing

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overhead

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electric facilities to underground on a fiscally

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responsible basis through

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electric service initiatives. And so we do look at costs

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before we just ran

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them we go out and try to pick places to do that. We try to

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incorporate them

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whenever possible to include it with the revenue or

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customer based project that's

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coming in where it makes sense and it would help keep the

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cost down on those

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items. We do budget each and every year we have a specific

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budgetary category

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code for overhead to underground conversions. This fiscal

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year 2018 that

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we're in we have $350,000 it's budgeted for overhead to

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underground

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conversions and we do anticipate over the next five years

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and this is in the

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budget book that that will be steadily increasing. This is

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a map over on the

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left-hand side shows the overhead primary conductors in the

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City of Denton

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and on the right hand side of the map in green is the

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underground. One thing you

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might notice is that we have 43% of our primary

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distribution system in Denton is

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overhead. More than half, 57% presently today is our

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underground lines and it

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kind of shows the locations of where those are at. So it's

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not just all grouped

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in one part of the town it's actually scattered across all

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of Denton. We were

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asked at the council meeting when the question was posed

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well how does DME

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rank in relation to other cities with the amount of

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underground and so we're

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proud to say that we're actually ranked third best in the

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state of Texas out of

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72 electric municipal utilities and so we're very proud of

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that. I did go back

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in the history and looked in the 2001 TPPA Texas Public

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Power Association

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directory and if you look at those numbers it shows that we

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were at 36% and

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this is where I think some of our governance policies that

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the Public

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Utilities Board and the City Council has done has really

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helped DME to help get

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more and more underground here in the city of Denton. An

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example of underground

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everybody's familiar with the downtown courthouse square

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everything contained

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within this gold boundary or box is shown by some dashed

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colored lines those

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are all underground that's all underground electric

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utilities for

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several blocks around the downtown square. I think that's

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pretty pretty

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unique and pretty good allows us some opportunities to help

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make it a very

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visual visually appealing place to go visit. Okay this map

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we're not going to

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touch and talk about every one of these numbers we'll just

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pick three or four I

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know it's very busy I think the thing that really is to

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take away from this

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slide is that it compares the electrical liability between

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overhead and

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underground circuits. The bottom left-hand corner over here

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talks shows

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the Katie which talks about the customer durations of out

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ages when outages do

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occur and it shows the overhead number is 26 and the

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underground number is 31.

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What that indicates is that there are actually less outages

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on underground

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than overhead but when outages do occur on underground

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because it's more

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difficult to find the duration to restore those outages for

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those

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customers is actually longer because you can't just drive

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by say oh there's the

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problem and go clear it up and get it back on you have to

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locate and identify

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the problem. Another interesting thing is we all know that

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we've heard that we

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have a lot of outages here in Denton recently especially

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due to squirrels and

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you know they're there are on our number one hit list and

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so we're doing a lot of

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things to try to mitigate and improve the squirrel issues

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that occur in our

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overhead lines. One of the things that we've done recently

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is we've used a new

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product that we've evaluated and we've gone through and

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started installing

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across parts of the town to help mitigate that's wildlife

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protection, it's

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die electric devices that you clamp on overhead conductors

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to help try to keep

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the squirrels from hitting a hot conductor and a ground

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wire at the same

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time which causes a problem for the electric system. We've

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had very good

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success with that and so people say why don't you just make

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it go underground

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instead of overhead and you won't have those issues. Well

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there actually are

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squirrel related issues even on underground circuits.

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Sometimes squirrels

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love to chew through insulation on underground cables they

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get down in the

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riser conduits crawl down in them and you can actually see

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that on the overhead

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we have a column called squirrel events we had nine

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squirrel events on these

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12 overhead conductors that are 80% or more overhead and on

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the underground

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circuits that are 80% or more underground there's actually

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more than

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twice as many underground circuits 26 and we had four so it

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's about half a

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little less than half of the number of squirrel related

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events on underground

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circuits but they do occur thought that was kind of

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interesting. Overhead and

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underground comparisons between overhead on the left and

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underground on the right

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I think the most significant differences that you'll see on

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these two columns is

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of course the appearance underground does look better cost

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and system

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flexibility.

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Underground conversions to go from overhead to underground

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it's just

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complex a lot of moving parts to make that happen we do it

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it can happen and

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we want to continue doing it but it's just a difficult

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thing and very timely

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and costly to do. A lot of research time is required we

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need to know where all

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the existing underground utilities are at before you begin

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and that's when

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engineering department planning department other utilities

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have to be

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consulted where are their lines at we needed to find out

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where is the best

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place to put the new underground line at that misses as

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many of those

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underground utilities that we can't see. So we have to also

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consider not only the

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existing load that how much electricity is needed to serve

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each customer right

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now but what might it be in the future so we have to plan

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for future capacity.

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One of the difficult things with underground is when you

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put a conduit

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in the ground and you put a cable in that conduit you want

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to make sure it's

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large enough probably much larger than what they need right

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now because you

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can't just pull that cable out and put bigger cable that

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didn't fit in that

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conduit so we're gonna make sure you put large enough condu

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it and cables that can

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plan for the future expected capacity of that area and

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maybe even the surrounding

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areas you might be feeding through this area to serve

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another area. We normally

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because of the cost and the time that's needed to help put

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in underground

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facilities we put our underground facilities and easements

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rather than

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street right away. There are many times if we're in street

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right away with a pole

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a street widening project happens they just move the pole

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back pretty cheap

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pretty inexpensive easily done but on underground you have

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to dig it up and

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find another place to go and when you're running at a

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higher cost you want to

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make sure that if you're protected by an easement whoever's

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asking you to move

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that would help pay for that. Textodd is a prime example.

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We on underground

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facilities a lot of times they'll say you need to move that

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line well where

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we're gonna go well I don't know you just to go buy some

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easements somehow and

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we'll try to reimburse you for that and so we do try to put

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underground and

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easements. One of the things that's interesting about

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overhead conductors

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when you bury overhead conductors you have joint pole

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attachment users such as

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telephone and cable TV that's already up there. If you bury

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the electric lines

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which we have done you want to work with those other

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communication companies and

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say how do we bury your facilities they may not be incentiv

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ized as much as we

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are to help bury their facilities so sometimes they ask for

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some additional

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funding to help them do that so a lot of cooperation and

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coordinations are

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required. There is also the physical construction impacts

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to dig everything

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up put it in underground it does disrupt the location that

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you're putting them in

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it and one of the things that's rarely thought about is the

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electric meter

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bases. The electric meter bases are mounted on the outside

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of the house that

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the overhead service is tied to and it does have a weather

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head that goes up

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through the roof and all of that has to be electrician has

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to be hired to help

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relocate that. They have to rip all that down in each house

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or business and

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converted to underground and so that's about two to three

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thousand dollars per

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house and the meter base is owned by the customer. We have

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some project cost

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examples of how much underground cost to put in two of

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these are actual costs

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that we've done on some big projects and one of them is an

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estimated cost that

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we've looked at on a smaller project. Western Boulevard on

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the west side of

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town there was an industrial customer that came in recently

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close to a

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substation we had to plan for future capacity and what

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their needs were so we

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put in multiple circuits underground and you might notice

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that the actual cost

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per foot was four hundred and thirty seven dollars per foot

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and so that ended

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up costing for the 1.2 miles 2.7 million dollars just to

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install the underground

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facilities along this one section of Western Boulevard. H

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ickory Street

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downtown on the square or southeast of the square a very

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nice area down through

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there that was a six hundred and forty six dollars six

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hundred forty seven dollars per foot to put that in so it

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costs three quarters of a million dollars to put that in

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that one section of street.

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It looks very very nice a lot of work went into that we

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also plan for future

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capacity and needs there's festivals that occur down

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through there and so we have

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buried facilities that can handle festivals food booths

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vendors along the

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street similar to what they do over in grapevine so those

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types of things are

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thought about whenever you put an underground. We've also

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looked at a

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possibly converting an overhead area to underground in a

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residential area for a

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block or two and we want to see how would that cost this

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overhead area that

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we looked at is in the rear lots it's in the back of the

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yards very difficult to

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get to and so for 2300 feet for 23 homes that was going to

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be five hundred and

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fifty dollars per foot to do that or fifty seven thousand

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dollars to cross

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each of these 23 lots for 1.3 million dollar cost so that's

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still being looked

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at and evaluated to see is that really a good move or not

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and how would that work

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with the other surrounding areas so I wanted to throw some

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of these numbers

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out to you that underground can be done has been done and

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hopefully will

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continue to be done it's your direction it is very

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expensive there's some

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challenges but they can all be overcome. We do have several

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active projects

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underground projects right now DME the top three here are

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some that we're doing

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for University of North Texas there are two of those are in

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the construction

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phase one is supposed to start this spring we have

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underground projects that

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are planned for McKinney Road the loves travel where we

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went across the

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interstate on the north side of town guy or high school

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that just got through

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being put in for the textile project around the curve and

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Windsor and Duchess

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Drive so those are some active underground projects that we

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have right

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now here in the city of Denton. So I'm gonna go ahead and

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summarize this as far

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as we do have an ongoing underground program here in Denton

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our approved

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budget right now is three hundred and fifty thousand

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dollars that we're

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working under this present year we currently per the TPPA

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listing was at

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56 percent we're really at 57 percent right today amount of

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line which is

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ranked third best out of 72 utilities in the state of Texas

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overhead does have

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lower installation cost it's easier to find and repair

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problems when they occur

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underground has an improved appearance and I think that's

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one of the main

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reasons people want to put in underground it does have less

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outages when those

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outages do occur it is longer to restore the power back to

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the customers to try

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to isolate and find the problems one of the things that

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does occur on underground

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outage troubleshooting is you have to if you can't find

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something visually you

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can't find what caused it you have to maybe open the

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underground circuit

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halfway close the fuse in see does that solve the problem

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or not if it doesn't

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well that means that the problem has gone at least that far

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you have to

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continue on to the end of the circuit and isolate and try

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to refuse so many

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times if you are in an underground circuit you might get

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several blinks

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after the initial outage that's just a utility crews trying

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to find where the

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problem is at so that they can isolate it so I'd be happy

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to answer any

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questions Jerry filter our electric engineering division

398
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manager is also

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here to address any questions is is is George more our new

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general manager so

401
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with that I'd stand for any questions question could you go

402
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back to the slide

403
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about the place that we were going to do that back of the

404
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residential area so it

405
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was almost 60,000 a lot and the homeowner also has to pay

406
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then two to

407
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three thousand dollars to get it converted either that or

408
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the we would

409
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have to help fund that okay how do we typically do that a

410
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special assessment

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or on their bill or I know that we've done some of these in

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the past we

413
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haven't really done a lot of that type of work recently

414
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because it is very

415
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complex a location off south of Hercules east of Stewart

416
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was done recently well

417
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not recently I would say back in the late 90s I'm not sure

418
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what really

419
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initiated that we did go back and look at that it's in your

420
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AIS agenda very

421
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expensive to do we did go underground it's underground

422
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today it looks very

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nice today it's a very heavily treed area but you'll notice

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those poles are

425
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still in the backyards of all those people not because

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electric electric did

427
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what we needed to telephone and cable TV did they said we

428
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don't want to go

429
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underground and so today cable TV goes all the way through

430
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there and telephone

431
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goes most of the way through there so those poles are still

432
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there even though

433
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we spent I believe it was 1.3 million dollars you on that

434
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so but as far as how

435
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we would build the customer or in you know that would be a

436
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topic we'd need to

437
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discuss to figure out the best way to do that

438
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I can't match a lot of don't want to do that so well we

439
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heard comments from some

440
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of the crews that are still around back from the late 90s

441
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and they received a

442
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lot of grief when they were out there doing it from the

443
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homeowners well we

444
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didn't ask that this be done we have to move our storage

445
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shed it's you're

446
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tearing up my yard to get back there and those poles are

447
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,480
still there and so but

448
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it can be done and it has been done good question I mean it

449
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almost seems like

450
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unless telephone and cable or whoever's got lines running

451
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through there also you

452
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know coordinated with us to do that I don't know that you I

453
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mean we I guess we

454
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gain less outages but from a from a homeowner standpoint

455
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like you say you

456
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still got a pole we still got a line and it is expensive

457
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and the communication

458
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companies don't want to convert because it's expensive and

459
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it's harder to

460
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maintain they they have their plant that they pay the

461
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capital cost to install and

462
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they want to depreciate it and get the full benefit of the

463
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plant and if it's

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not depreciated and they need to replace it before it's

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fully depreciated there's

466
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some associated cost with that and so that's where

467
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sometimes working with them

468
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they can say you know we have a project in four or five

469
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years maybe wait we wait

470
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four or five years and then that's when it's optimal for

471
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everybody to work

472
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together and make that happen either that or incentivize

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them to help do it

474
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sooner that can be done as well.

475
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Is it safer to have underground lines as far as for our

476
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workers who go out there and work on the lines to repair

477
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them and whatnot is wouldn't it be safer though to have

478
00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:32,720
them underground than overhead?

479
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There are some safety differences in overhead and

480
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underground I meant we've

481
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had some accidents and serious injuries on both and so it's

482
00:19:41,849 --> 00:19:43,079
not like underground

483
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is safe because it's not electricity but it is for the most

484
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part with the dead

485
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front switch gear and equipment and transformers that we

486
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use it is insulated

487
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and so from that perspective it is safer the overhead

488
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conductors do not have any

489
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insulation on overhead wire so I caution everyone here and

490
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that might be watch and

491
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,720
please do not ever get near or touch any overhead electric

492
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,480
conductors it's just

493
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,140
not a safe thing to do. In underground facilities a lot of

494
00:20:13,140 --> 00:20:14,319
times we'll even see

495
00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,529
kids you know sitting on the green boxes the pad man of

496
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transformers the switch

497
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gear and even though they're grounded anything could happen

498
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,119
we don't encourage

499
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that that be considered playground equipment because it's

500
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not and so they

501
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both have safety concerns with both of them but yes

502
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underground does have some

503
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safer aspects. I have a two-part question first do you know

504
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on average what the

505
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difference is in repair times between underground and

506
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overhead and the second

507
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part of the question is are you aware of any technological

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research or maybe

509
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anything existing underway in terms of you know robotics or

510
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whatever that that

511
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:09,250
could improve in the future the the repair time on

512
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underground electric? Good

513
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questions on this busy busy chart that I showed earlier you

514
00:21:15,809 --> 00:21:16,680
can look at the

515
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overhead customer duration of outages on an average and it

516
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was 26.3 minutes per

517
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year that an overhead customer would experience an outage

518
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duration to last

519
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,480
and it's almost 32 so not a significant difference but

520
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there is a

521
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difference just like you can tell the the outages I meant

522
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the nine squirrel the

523
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four squirrel 41 total events on underground 56 those are

524
00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:44,759
fairly close I

525
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:49,890
mean everything is somewhat close but at a much higher cost

526
00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:51,519
to do that so I don't

527
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,009
know if that answers your question not so. That does

528
00:21:54,009 --> 00:21:54,960
actually and I didn't

529
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,960
realize that that that that's what those average numbers

530
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,160
were for the time so

531
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thank you thank you. You're welcome and as far as the

532
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,200
robotics or automation I'm

533
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,549
not sure about the restoration times there are some things

534
00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:08,400
have been looked

535
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,720
at as far as what causes outages do some predictions as far

536
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,720
as items that are

537
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,789
getting toward their end of life we do have our GIS system

538
00:22:17,789 --> 00:22:19,279
where we know the

539
00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:21,920
vintage year that the equipment's put in and and we go

540
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,200
through our engineering

541
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,039
department to look at that in operations department are we

542
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:27,839
having issues in some

543
00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:31,210
certain areas and we try to put projects forward to help

544
00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:32,480
address that before it

545
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,319
becomes a very chronic issue one of the recent ones that we

546
00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:37,240
did a few years ago

547
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,299
was to replace the direct buried cable over in the South

548
00:22:40,299 --> 00:22:42,160
ridge area it was put

549
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,180
in direct buried was put in without conduits it was in the

550
00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:46,160
in the back lots

551
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,509
rear lots that was a three-year project for us to replace

552
00:22:49,509 --> 00:22:50,319
all of that direct

553
00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:54,920
buried cable with conduits and cable in conduit we also

554
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,039
replaced old live front

555
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,809
transformers which are not as safe as the dead front

556
00:22:59,809 --> 00:23:01,319
transformers we replaced

557
00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:03,930
the transformers and did a lot of other maintenance in the

558
00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:05,400
process so we're

559
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,980
always looking for opportunities to help improve the

560
00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:10,000
electrical system good

561
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,720
question. One other question that I have is what are the

562
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,920
maintenance costs between

563
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,880
overhead and underground because I mean we're talking about

564
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,839
and you know the

565
00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,640
tree trimming and all that other kind of thing what's the

566
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,759
most of the

567
00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:30,309
underground circuits at some point will have some overhead

568
00:23:30,309 --> 00:23:31,680
associated with that

569
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,279
you'll notice even on this slide the 26 underground

570
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:37,920
circuits on the right hand

571
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,589
column if you if you will and the 12 on the overhead and

572
00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:43,359
these are circuits that

573
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,230
are 80% or greater overhead or underground is how it got

574
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:47,039
split up into

575
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:51,470
these categories so it's very rare to have strictly nothing

576
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:52,240
but a fully

577
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,599
underground circuit from the substation to the end customer

578
00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,039
most of them do have

579
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,529
some associated overhead so you're never going to get away

580
00:23:59,529 --> 00:24:00,039
completely from the

581
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:04,640
tree trimming cost with that you need for overhead but as

582
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,920
far as the maintenance

583
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,960
cost the tree trim is definitely one of those items on

584
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,359
overhead and a little bit

585
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,079
for the underground use as well. We have to go out and

586
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:15,799
replace light and arresters

587
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,009
on overhead when they blow very easy to find replace the $

588
00:24:19,009 --> 00:24:20,839
70 device on overheads

589
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:23,359
it's much more expensive when something fails on

590
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,640
underground because it costs

591
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,569
two to three times as much to put it in you have to buy

592
00:24:27,569 --> 00:24:29,559
that equipment find the

593
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,769
time to locate the real issue and then replace the

594
00:24:32,769 --> 00:24:34,359
equipment and so the cost

595
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,859
of maintenance is higher on underground I'm not sure the

596
00:24:37,859 --> 00:24:38,680
actual percent

597
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:45,890
difference on that but it is it is greater. How much is the

598
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:48,160
cost offset by

599
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,759
the projects you showed like UNT and is it is any of that

600
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,240
cost offset by those

601
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,039
entities? Some of that is there were some agreements that

602
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:00,400
were put in place things

603
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,140
that UNT did for us and we did for them years ago to where

604
00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:04,279
we're fulfilling some

605
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:08,250
contractual agreements on that UNT those three items.

606
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:10,160
Sometimes customers will come

607
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,380
in with a project that they have proposed and they'll want

608
00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:13,880
to put in

609
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,119
underground but it's in an area that's existing overhead

610
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,160
and that's where

611
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,019
electric service standards comes into play that says the

612
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:22,079
difference between

613
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:25,289
the cost of the overhead and the underground sometimes that

614
00:25:25,289 --> 00:25:26,039
'll be paid by

615
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:30,470
the customer in a form of aid and construction that they'll

616
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:31,559
pay us to to

617
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,950
go with the underground facilities if it would we would

618
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:34,759
have normally put it in

619
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:39,180
an overhead because it's an overhead area. And if it's a

620
00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:40,400
new development is

621
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,880
that the developers? All the new developments according to

622
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,680
the plan we

623
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,170
put everything new for residential and commercial in

624
00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:49,839
underground according to

625
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,650
the governance policies that we have. Now there are some

626
00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:54,000
costs that developers do

627
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,970
pay us for street lighting to put the street lights in and

628
00:25:57,970 --> 00:25:59,240
that was changed by

629
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,369
council I guess back in the early mid-2000s to where they

630
00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:05,640
pay a cost with

631
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,150
the street lights. Street lights have to be put in on the

632
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:08,839
streets before the

633
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:12,509
streets accepted by a third-party contract with the

634
00:26:12,509 --> 00:26:13,759
building inspection at

635
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:19,599
the city and so we do charge that and that's paid up front.

636
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,720
That's all in the

637
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,930
electric service standards policy that's available to look

638
00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:27,319
at on the city website

639
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,529
if you go in there and go into the electric and look in

640
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:31,640
those categories

641
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,150
you'll see the electric service standards policy and if you

642
00:26:34,150 --> 00:26:34,720
haven't looked

643
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,809
through that if you're planning development I encourage you

644
00:26:36,809 --> 00:26:37,200
to do that.

645
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,200
We're always available for people to call us we'd be happy

646
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,119
to work with any

647
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,269
customer and walk them through that process. With the

648
00:26:46,269 --> 00:26:48,880
fiscal year 2018 budget

649
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,559
of $350,000 we're really only looking at being able to bury

650
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:55,400
500 feet a line or

651
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,650
something like that. Was that rough estimate? Yeah. You

652
00:27:00,650 --> 00:27:01,160
know this wasn't

653
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,170
intended for large areas to be converted to underground it

654
00:27:05,170 --> 00:27:06,319
's for areas where it

655
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,680
makes sense on as the dent plan 2030 said on a fiscally

656
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,880
responsible basis and

657
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,849
so that's to help supplement some of those costs. So would

658
00:27:14,849 --> 00:27:16,640
you guess then that

659
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:23,490
the increase from what was it 36% in 2001 was it to 57% now

660
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:24,359
so the lion's

661
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,740
share of those were done by developers? We've had an

662
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:29,839
enormous growth in system

663
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,519
and customer growth here in Denton over the past 20 years

664
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:34,920
so yes I think that

665
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,440
that's a large lion's share of that. And I just wanted to

666
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,720
clarify something that

667
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,559
that Alan asked if I'm building a neighborhood and I want

668
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:46,880
to bury the I

669
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,690
want the electrical lines buried I pay for that you guys

670
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:51,680
don't pay for that I

671
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,700
pay for that. If it's a brand new subdivision that's going

672
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:56,440
in that's never

673
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,079
been there on some greenfield property we will put that in

674
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:01,440
underground. Now if

675
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,730
where does the budget come for? Well if if there's an error

676
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:05,720
if if everything

677
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,569
around there is all overhead one of the policies does say

678
00:28:12,569 --> 00:28:16,920
item number E on the

679
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,759
municipal code underground will not be installed on the

680
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:20,359
perimeter of a

681
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,849
subdivision or plan development unless the adjacent areas

682
00:28:22,849 --> 00:28:23,519
has underground

683
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,869
service. So to your point on that if everything around

684
00:28:26,869 --> 00:28:28,400
there is overhead and

685
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,089
it's going to be a small development we would go ahead and

686
00:28:31,089 --> 00:28:32,400
put that in overhead

687
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,480
because the perimeter of that would be overhead. So that

688
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,640
might be where you're

689
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,240
so yeah we do follow that as well. But if the customer

690
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,519
wants it in underground

691
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,180
we'll put it underground they would pay that difference the

692
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:46,279
aid and construction

693
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:51,190
put it in underground. Okay okay that makes sense. Okay

694
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:52,640
thank you. You're welcome.

695
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,990
Can you go back to the other one? Which one? The the one

696
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:57,400
with all of the outage

697
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,529
the busy slide. Yeah the busy one I like the busy one. Okay

698
00:29:02,529 --> 00:29:04,799
. Maybe you could explain what each

699
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,150
one of those the Sadie and the Katie and the safety and and

700
00:29:08,150 --> 00:29:08,880
what their

701
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,119
significance is. Okay let's just pick the overhead for an

702
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:14,160
example from left to

703
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,410
right. Feeder this would be BB the Bonnie Bray substation.

704
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:20,880
213 that would be the

705
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,519
number one transformer on the number three circuit out of

706
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:24,319
the Bonnie Bray

707
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:28,890
substation. So that would be one circuit on one transformer

708
00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:30,079
out of one substation.

709
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:36,160
Says 80% of that circuit is overhead. Sadie which is the

710
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,119
system duration it's

711
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,019
different than Katie for just that customer this would be

712
00:29:41,019 --> 00:29:41,819
for the system

713
00:29:41,819 --> 00:29:47,890
duration outages would be 46.15 the Katie would be the 22.

714
00:29:47,890 --> 00:29:49,440
54 of the minutes of

715
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,799
duration so system versus customer seen outages if outages

716
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:55,839
occur. The safety the

717
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,589
F is frequency how frequent do outages occur on that one

718
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,319
circuit and so that

719
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:05,000
would tell you how many times that how frequent it would

720
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,759
occur. The ASAI you'd

721
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,549
see some numbers close to 100% nearly every time this is

722
00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:10,559
the total number of

723
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,710
possible hours in a year the electricity could be provided

724
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:16,000
on that one circuit.

725
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,970
And so this is the availability of that service and if you

726
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:21,119
look at nearly any

727
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,920
electric utility company across the country that's always

728
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240
going to be 99.9

729
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,450
something. It's however many nines you have after the

730
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:31,519
decimal place really

731
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,240
tells you the differences because for the most part

732
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,559
electric utilities are

733
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,400
very very reliable. Yes we do have issues storm related

734
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,079
what weather squirrels

735
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,680
vehicular damages accidents but for the most part very good

736
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,799
success rate on

737
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,670
keeping the lights on. That's where I was going because you

738
00:30:49,670 --> 00:30:51,160
see that there's 20

739
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,799
events on that one feeder but yet you're still at 99.991

740
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,319
percent. That's correct.

741
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:02,289
It's pretty good. Yes it is. Thank you for bringing that

742
00:31:02,289 --> 00:31:04,319
out.

743
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:11,279
Other questions? No? All right thank you Brent. Okay thank

744
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:18,279
you all. Okay excuse me

745
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,440
although we have it shows we have a closed meeting

746
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,119
following work session

747
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:31,019
for the benefit of our televised meeting rather than

748
00:31:31,019 --> 00:31:34,559
interrupt and then have to

749
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,119
come back after that. If it's okay we'll just put the

750
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:38,519
closed meeting the executive

751
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,240
meeting at the end of the meeting and we'll go right into

752
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,759
the regular meeting.

753
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:48,289
That's okay with everybody. So the first item we have item

754
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:49,599
one is the consent

755
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:56,900
agenda. We have two items on the consent agenda. Any member

756
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:58,839
would like to have

757
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:03,359
those pull for an individual consideration?

758
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Hearing none just one thing I don't we have to pull it but

759
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,559
just as a comment on

760
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:24,410
item number A for those for the for the Derek truck for DME

761
00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:24,839
that is a

762
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,529
replacement of an existing vehicle. I don't know if that

763
00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:29,619
was clear enough in

764
00:32:29,619 --> 00:32:33,589
the backup but that is a replacement of an existing vehicle

765
00:32:33,589 --> 00:32:37,519
. Okay so nobody needs

766
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:41,029
anything pulled so is there a motion to accept or approve

767
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:43,759
the consent agenda as

768
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:48,559
presented? I'll move. Second. We have a motion and second

769
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,519
any any questions or

770
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:59,369
discussion on that? Hearing none all in favor say aye. Aye.

771
00:32:59,369 --> 00:33:00,680
Any opposed same sign?

772
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:06,079
Okay consent items are approved. Items for individual

773
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,000
consideration we

774
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:13,849
have public utility board meetings of December 11th 2017

775
00:33:13,849 --> 00:33:15,240
have been distributed

776
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:21,029
and is there any questions changes comments on that from

777
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:24,039
anybody? Hearing

778
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:29,880
none we'll we can consider those approved by consensus then

779
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,720
as presented.

780
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,390
Item number B which is consider recommending adoption of an

781
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:37,480
ordinance of

782
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,450
the City of Denton approving a real estate exchange and

783
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:41,960
abandonment

784
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,119
agreement between the city and Marsom property excuse me

785
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:47,200
Marsom Enterprises

786
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Incorporated. Good morning Paul Williamson real estate

787
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,079
manager before you

788
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,059
for your consideration today we're going to be talking

789
00:34:02,059 --> 00:34:03,440
about a an agreement that

790
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,440
we've put together with the Marsom folks the people that

791
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,760
own Briscoe Tire here in

792
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,889
Denton the corner of Eagle and Elm Street. Associated with

793
00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:15,840
the Eagle Drive

794
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,690
Drainage Phase 2 project on the screen here we've got the

795
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:23,559
initial phase of the

796
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,530
project was was on the from Elm Street over to Wainwright

797
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:28,679
it's it's now in

798
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,030
place and the the phase that we're presently looking at is

799
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:34,679
phase 2 which is

800
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,610
a connection of some existing boxes that were put in when

801
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:38,880
quick trip went in on

802
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,849
the south side of Eagle and and the dashed line is the

803
00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:44,920
project at hand we're

804
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,019
hoping to get to real soon. The solution here is is y'all

805
00:34:51,019 --> 00:34:53,320
may well know is that

806
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,550
this area is somewhat of in a bowl it's it's a low point at

807
00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:58,960
Carroll and Eagle

808
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,199
and there's some a lot of localized flooding there even

809
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:03,239
with a very minor

810
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,449
storm event we we have a foot of water there at the

811
00:35:06,449 --> 00:35:07,519
intersection of Carroll and

812
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:15,820
Eagle and this this project will help mitigate that. Paul

813
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:16,760
real quick

814
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,119
question this would you go back to that slide we just

815
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,280
saying is this kind of the

816
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,719
completion of that section of drainage project is it does

817
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,639
that get us all the

818
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,849
way to Pecan Creek? Yes, yeah it goes all the way to the

819
00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:36,599
outfall the project that was done

820
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:40,880
many many years ago you know obviously with any drainage

821
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,960
project it's always a

822
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,800
segmental solution you know there's parts to the west that

823
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,440
are will be in

824
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:57,960
some future CIPs. So the particular transaction is hand is

825
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,119
that we've worked

826
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,460
out a prospective settlement with the Mars Am folks to the

827
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:05,880
drainage boxes in

828
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,500
this instance will be going along the east side of Myrtle

829
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,920
Street from let's

830
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,920
see the new drainage boxes will will be sorry

831
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,809
the new drainage boxes will be in this area here and they

832
00:36:24,809 --> 00:36:27,159
'll wrap around and go

833
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,219
project over to the east along the north side there's an

834
00:36:30,219 --> 00:36:32,039
existing channel here

835
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:36,690
that snugs right up against the building so the the idea

836
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:38,360
here is that we're will

837
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,110
be building a new set of boxes larger more cross-sectional

838
00:36:42,110 --> 00:36:43,320
area to carry more

839
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,800
flow underground around the building and we're proposing to

840
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,440
exchange outright

841
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,650
exchange what we call the San Miguel tract which was a

842
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:54,719
small house lot that

843
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,059
we purchased in 2016 it's in the green and the Mars Am

844
00:37:00,059 --> 00:37:02,719
folks are agreeable that

845
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,929
that will do basically some exchanging will be abandoning

846
00:37:05,929 --> 00:37:07,079
some of the existing

847
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:11,239
easement that will no longer need and they'll be acquiring

848
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,440
fee fee title to

849
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,039
the area in green and then this little red strip which is

850
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:18,739
what we call a margin

851
00:37:18,739 --> 00:37:21,500
tract it was a tract that dropped off the tax rolls many

852
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:22,559
many many years ago

853
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:26,329
should have actually traded with the Mars Am track so so

854
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:27,480
the idea is that

855
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,920
we're basically going to exchange like acreages for the

856
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,599
land rights the city

857
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,599
needs to do the project

858
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,130
so the essence of the transaction is that Marston will be

859
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:47,440
conveying to the

860
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,409
city a right-of-way track along Myrtle for the the Myrtle

861
00:37:51,409 --> 00:37:52,960
Street right-of-way

862
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,440
the ultimate Myrtle and then the drainage easement and the

863
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,119
city would be

864
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:02,429
conveying the fee track the margin tract and then we would

865
00:38:02,429 --> 00:38:03,480
also abandon our

866
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,690
interest in those segments of the drainage easement that we

867
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:07,320
're going to

868
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,840
bypass with moving the boxes to another location

869
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,960
sure

870
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:35,250
yes sir and that's that's an easement yes it was a planted

871
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:40,239
easement yes sir so

872
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,239
that easement will go away once the projects complete will

873
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,239
the ideas that

874
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,690
were released the easement in that track rest of that is

875
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:51,440
all of that property or

876
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,440
is it just the easement over by the street it's being

877
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,000
exchanged the

878
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,250
exchange tracks are are this this area here where the

879
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:05,519
existing channel is so

880
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,309
it's an open channel actually right there and then we have

881
00:39:09,309 --> 00:39:10,320
some there's a

882
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,409
portion of that channel is closed here which will also be

883
00:39:14,409 --> 00:39:15,880
abandoned and then

884
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,090
there's a there's a an additional easement here with it

885
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:19,760
where they put in

886
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,969
a catch basin many years ago an additional catch basin so

887
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:24,239
all of the

888
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,070
dotted yellow area is to be abandoned upon the completion

889
00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:29,760
of the project and

890
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,349
and the hatched drainage easement is to remain because the

891
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:36,920
boxes will actually be

892
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,170
going through many portions of that area and then the areas

893
00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:42,519
that the city is to

894
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:46,920
acquire is the right-of-way tract which is this blue tract

895
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,719
and we need the we

896
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,210
need a little bit more at the corner to work out future

897
00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:53,320
sidewalk landing and then

898
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,719
this purple or magenta tract is also just an outright

899
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,760
drainage easement that

900
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:08,619
will be acquiring from Marsom so that actually I mean

901
00:40:08,619 --> 00:40:10,079
basically we're taking

902
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:14,840
one easement exchanging out and then picking up right away

903
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,840
on Myrtle which we

904
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,280
don't have that now right no correct no and then exchange

905
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,920
for that it's

906
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,639
basically the the the green track up at the top yeah this

907
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:29,840
this green tract and

908
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,349
then also this little which which is gonna have is that

909
00:40:32,349 --> 00:40:33,239
gonna have that will

910
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,260
have an easement through it as well we will retain both

911
00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:37,559
drainage and utility

912
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,429
easements and all those tracks it'll it'll be pretty much

913
00:40:40,429 --> 00:40:41,320
fully encumbered

914
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:50,659
with easement okay all right any other questions comments

915
00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:53,280
no we have a motion

916
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:00,960
for item B recommend approval we have a motion to approve

917
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,800
is there a second

918
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,650
second discussion all in favor say aye any opposed same

919
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:11,559
sign okay motion passes

920
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:18,409
thank you Paul thank you next item we have for

921
00:41:18,409 --> 00:41:20,480
consideration is item C which

922
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,690
is to consider recommending adoption of an ordinance rev

923
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:25,320
ising parameters within

924
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,840
the credit and collection policy of the city utility system

925
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:38,360
good morning happy

926
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
new year I'm Tiffany Thompson the customer service manager

927
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,800
bringing forth

928
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,789
the credit collection ordinance revisions today in November

929
00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:47,960
2010 we did

930
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,539
update this ordinance based off of the amount of uncollect

931
00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:51,559
ible debt that we had

932
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:55,159
and just overall enhancing the credit collection policies

933
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:56,280
that were in place

934
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,869
over the last several months we've had discussions with the

935
00:41:58,869 --> 00:41:59,719
Public Utilities

936
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,539
Board and with council on how we can enhance the policies

937
00:42:03,539 --> 00:42:04,440
and also add

938
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,789
additional programs to assist our customers the first

939
00:42:07,789 --> 00:42:09,119
change that we have

940
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,699
is updating the plus one program we're going to be

941
00:42:11,699 --> 00:42:13,119
increasing funding from

942
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,510
100,000 to 125,000 and allowing funds to be allocated

943
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:19,840
towards deposits and the

944
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,329
contract we're also going to be updating specific

945
00:42:22,329 --> 00:42:24,679
guidelines and criteria to be

946
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:27,570
able to understand the barriers that our customers are

947
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:28,880
facing to in order to get

948
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,420
more data on a monthly basis for the vendor that's going to

949
00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:32,320
be overseeing the

950
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,780
contract and then also being able to assist families more

951
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:36,679
than once in a 12

952
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:40,480
month period and also regardless of tenure at the address

953
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,519
all of the changes

954
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,900
with plus one are contractual changes and so you won't see

955
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:45,679
that in city

956
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,190
ordinance but we are going out for the request for a

957
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:49,400
proposal right now that's

958
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,139
actually going to be hitting the newspapers within the week

959
00:42:53,139 --> 00:42:53,880
or so for us

960
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,090
to get the competitive bids on that and we will bring forth

961
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:57,639
the contract

962
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:01,800
recommendations for you and council's approval and late

963
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,719
spring and that

964
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,690
contract will go into effect in July of this year we are

965
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:08,320
adding a homelessness

966
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,300
deposit waiver to be able to address a specific community

967
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:12,119
need for those

968
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,329
individuals or families that are experiencing homelessness

969
00:43:15,329 --> 00:43:15,639
and are

970
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,730
working with a partner agency to be able to be permanently

971
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:20,800
rehomed and we've

972
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,039
already crafted the application process that the

973
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:25,320
organizations we're going to

974
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,530
partner with to fill out in order to make sure that they

975
00:43:28,530 --> 00:43:29,519
qualify for it and

976
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,730
the form letter that the customer will provide to customer

977
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:33,639
service to get that

978
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,639
deposit waiver done so everything's ready we're just

979
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:37,440
waiting for the

980
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,409
approval to get that executed the parameters that we're

981
00:43:41,409 --> 00:43:42,519
updating for the

982
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,909
credit and collection is the overdue interest points

983
00:43:45,909 --> 00:43:47,400
associated and they're

984
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,610
modifying the rating scale points accrued and the deposit

985
00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:51,440
required for

986
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,679
our existing customers so for overdue interest that's when

987
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:55,519
someone brings

988
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,239
forth a balance to the next month's bill the points

989
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,119
currently are 100 that's

990
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,119
going to be updated to zero points associated for that

991
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,559
event and then for

992
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,800
existing customers we are going to be eliminating the F

993
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,599
customer rating and

994
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:13,730
then the the scale for the C and the D customers or it is

995
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:15,159
shifting a little bit

996
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,860
and then we're only going to be requiring a one month

997
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:18,920
deposit for the D

998
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,670
rated customers and then a two month deposit for the e

999
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:25,880
customers for our

1000
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,519
disconnection procedures customer service has internal

1001
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:29,360
policy that we've

1002
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,570
been following in regards to disconnections during holidays

1003
00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:33,360
weekends

1004
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,190
and also during times of extreme weather we wanted to take

1005
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:37,440
this opportunity to

1006
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,090
get that verbiage into ordinance it's not an ordinance now

1007
00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:41,760
just for

1008
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,110
transparency and for our customers to be able to know

1009
00:44:45,110 --> 00:44:46,760
exactly why or when we do

1010
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,969
not disconnect services so for holidays and weekends we do

1011
00:44:49,969 --> 00:44:50,360
not issue

1012
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,829
disconnects for the weeks of Thanksgiving Christmas and New

1013
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:54,320
Year's

1014
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,559
nor the weekends or the days before after those days for

1015
00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:59,000
extreme weather if

1016
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,969
the forecasted temperatures fall below 32 or 100 and above

1017
00:45:02,969 --> 00:45:03,760
we do not issue

1018
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,989
disconnection of services as well and we're adding also the

1019
00:45:06,989 --> 00:45:07,679
additional

1020
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,349
parameter about the heat advisory so if there's been a heat

1021
00:45:10,349 --> 00:45:11,320
advisory issued for

1022
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,159
Denton County we will not be doing disconnection of

1023
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:15,199
services and so we're

1024
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,400
adding that new into ordinance for your consideration as

1025
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,320
well today the

1026
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,079
implementation timeline the plus one again that's all

1027
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:25,199
contractual changes

1028
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,130
we're doing the solicitation process now we'll be bringing

1029
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:29,119
that force you in the

1030
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,360
next couple months for your consideration the homelessness

1031
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:32,840
deposit

1032
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,769
waiver we have all the applicable forms ready to go as soon

1033
00:45:35,769 --> 00:45:36,880
as we get the green

1034
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,519
lot we'll be able to execute that immediately and the

1035
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:40,119
credit and

1036
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:42,989
collection policy changes once we have their approval we do

1037
00:45:42,989 --> 00:45:43,860
need a partner with

1038
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:47,099
our customer information system to get those modifications

1039
00:45:47,099 --> 00:45:48,420
into our system we

1040
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:50,909
hope to have that done at the latest the very beginning of

1041
00:45:50,909 --> 00:45:51,320
February but

1042
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,949
potentially could have that done much earlier with that and

1043
00:45:54,949 --> 00:45:55,840
so with that I'd

1044
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,130
be happy to answer any questions yes ma'am can you go back

1045
00:46:00,130 --> 00:46:03,519
to your ABCDEF

1046
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:08,860
how many customers are then not are gonna move to not

1047
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:10,480
having the two-month

1048
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,889
average but the one month average for a C rating we did an

1049
00:46:13,889 --> 00:46:15,079
initial analysis of

1050
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,570
what the change is the proposed change would be it's about

1051
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:19,239
1800 customers okay

1052
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,360
total would go to the pardon me let me clarify for you that

1053
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,519
are be going to the

1054
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:28,190
the rating where it would only be the one month deposit and

1055
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:29,639
then 710 of our

1056
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:33,000
customers actually would not qualify for an additional

1057
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,239
deposit now so that's

1058
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,730
going to be the impact with that we'll have final numbers

1059
00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:37,360
once we put because

1060
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,719
it's very fluid it changes with that but that's the initial

1061
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,920
assessment right now

1062
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,769
for that thank you with the weekend and holiday policy is

1063
00:46:48,769 --> 00:46:49,920
that a is that a

1064
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,599
change I guess is that a significant change there's not

1065
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:54,400
change the only

1066
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,139
addition that we added was the heat advisory we weren't

1067
00:46:57,139 --> 00:46:57,760
previously

1068
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,190
following that and we thought it would be important to

1069
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:00,760
follow that as well

1070
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,019
because that's one of the things customers would bring up

1071
00:47:03,019 --> 00:47:03,599
it may not hit

1072
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,809
actual temperatures of a hundred but the heat advisory may

1073
00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:07,639
be over that so we

1074
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,699
wanted to make sure to place that in there as well I

1075
00:47:10,699 --> 00:47:11,960
noticed that in the

1076
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:18,809
actual verbiage of the ordinance it says that it service

1077
00:47:18,809 --> 00:47:19,159
shall not be

1078
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:24,099
disconnected on the whole weekends and holidays if there's

1079
00:47:24,099 --> 00:47:25,280
not a staff member

1080
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,489
present to accept to accept payment yes and what we follow

1081
00:47:28,489 --> 00:47:30,119
is we don't just

1082
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:33,559
connect during the those times with that pardon me we

1083
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,039
follow that if we're not

1084
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,539
available to take payment we don't disconnect but we follow

1085
00:47:38,539 --> 00:47:39,119
this very

1086
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,380
strictly in regards to we don't disconnect during holidays

1087
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:44,000
weekends with

1088
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,349
the day proceeding or after that so even if you had a staff

1089
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:48,079
member they're

1090
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:51,289
available to accept payments you wouldn't just know we're

1091
00:47:51,289 --> 00:47:52,079
following the

1092
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,719
what the ordinance says right here I understand what you're

1093
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:55,480
saying well the

1094
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,699
ordinance says it actually specifies that if that a staff

1095
00:47:59,699 --> 00:48:01,119
member that you won't

1096
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:05,429
disconnect if it's a weekend or a holiday and a staff

1097
00:48:05,429 --> 00:48:06,360
member is not

1098
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,570
present we could we could definitely change I'm just saying

1099
00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:10,039
if you feel like

1100
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,099
that's present then you could disconnect on those days if

1101
00:48:13,099 --> 00:48:14,440
there was one present

1102
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,409
understood what we follow is we don't disconnect with that

1103
00:48:18,409 --> 00:48:18,760
so we can

1104
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,320
definitely make that change and just another question have

1105
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,320
you had anybody

1106
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,760
asking for holidays that we might not recognize

1107
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,639
traditionally in our community

1108
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,119
like other religious holidays no sir that question not that

1109
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:35,880
I'm aware of okay

1110
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:42,730
thank you so that brings another question is there a

1111
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:43,679
definition of what

1112
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:47,409
you all deem to be the holidays the holidays we articulated

1113
00:48:47,409 --> 00:48:48,280
is the week of

1114
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,949
Thanksgiving Christmas and New Year's and it's that whole

1115
00:48:52,949 --> 00:48:53,980
week that that's

1116
00:48:53,980 --> 00:49:03,460
observed question yeah so just as a clar to clarify kind of

1117
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:04,360
stating stating the

1118
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,570
obvious but just but also for the benefit of anybody

1119
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:08,679
watching it if

1120
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:13,280
somebody's power is has already been disconnected during

1121
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,679
times of extreme

1122
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,940
weather or holidays and weekends obviously it stays

1123
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:19,440
disconnected if it

1124
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,150
was disconnected previously like the week before and they

1125
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:23,800
haven't reconnected

1126
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,369
yeah yeah yes yeah it remains but of course we would get

1127
00:49:28,369 --> 00:49:29,199
that reconnected if

1128
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,170
they contacted us and and we would issue the reconnect for

1129
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:33,639
that but we're not

1130
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,610
doing any proactive news yes no no no disconnection yeah

1131
00:49:37,610 --> 00:49:38,440
but so there are

1132
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,690
customers who have had their power disconnected who are

1133
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:45,239
without power at

1134
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,840
times of extreme weather and over the holidays only no new

1135
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,119
disconnects during

1136
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,869
those times yeah I don't know the exact number of who would

1137
00:49:53,869 --> 00:49:54,639
not reconnect

1138
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:57,179
services most times what we see is if they didn't reconnect

1139
00:49:57,179 --> 00:49:57,880
services it's

1140
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,039
because they vacated the property with that but we don't we

1141
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:03,239
're not aware of

1142
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,170
anyone that's been disconnected and didn't reconnect prior

1143
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:07,500
that isn't isn't

1144
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:10,710
there with that so I don't have exact numbers on that but

1145
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:12,079
correct we don't do

1146
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:16,280
any new disconnections thank you

1147
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:22,280
I just I just I'm sorry I have to clarify something about

1148
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,719
holidays so it

1149
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,420
says holiday and then it says also enlists Thanksgiving

1150
00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:30,800
Christmas and New

1151
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,150
Year's but I believe we just asked a question about what

1152
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:35,320
are the holidays and

1153
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,989
then you said Thanksgiving Christmas and New Year's so I

1154
00:50:37,989 --> 00:50:39,119
was actually assuming

1155
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,110
that if it was like a national holiday where ordinary

1156
00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:43,360
businesses would be

1157
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,329
closed that that counts as a holiday in this capacity as

1158
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:48,039
well that's a good

1159
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:52,929
that's a very good point we do observe like Memorial Day

1160
00:50:52,929 --> 00:50:53,480
for the third day

1161
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,750
that's coming up that's a very good point so that might be

1162
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:57,599
an opportunity to

1163
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,239
update that so those are included yes sir so it's really

1164
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,599
holidays that the

1165
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:07,260
city is closed plus the weeks of Thanksgiving Christmas and

1166
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:09,480
New Year's

1167
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,449
I was seeking that clarification too so thank you very good

1168
00:51:13,449 --> 00:51:15,159
thank you any other

1169
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:23,719
questions comments I just I want to say thank you thanks to

1170
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,159
to staff and my

1171
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:31,579
everyone on PUB and council for these improvements to the

1172
00:51:31,579 --> 00:51:33,079
deposit program I

1173
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:38,260
I've been very openly critical of the deposit program I'm

1174
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:39,960
happy to see these

1175
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,670
improvements I think there's a long way to go but I really

1176
00:51:44,670 --> 00:51:46,239
appreciate these

1177
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,059
improvements and I appreciate the the creativity that I saw

1178
00:51:50,059 --> 00:51:51,039
at the council

1179
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:55,829
work session where those parameters were changed and it's

1180
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:57,599
you know looking at the

1181
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:02,510
numbers that I think you said what 1800 customers will be

1182
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:04,760
changed from one to

1183
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,599
two months and for the 710 customers that correct no

1184
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:09,719
additional deposits

1185
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:15,039
so those those individuals those customers will experience

1186
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,119
a real change

1187
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:23,050
there were and of other customers who won't and I just want

1188
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:25,239
to add that I'm

1189
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:32,360
going to keep pushing for more reforms to this system and

1190
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,880
also for something

1191
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,889
that I mentioned before which is the idea of a low income

1192
00:52:37,889 --> 00:52:39,119
deposit waiver

1193
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:44,559
however we define low income and I have a map and I would

1194
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,559
be happy to share this

1195
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:52,289
with staff and people on on on PUB but a map and this is

1196
00:52:52,289 --> 00:52:55,039
just taken from US

1197
00:52:55,039 --> 00:53:03,050
census information dot provides information about average

1198
00:53:03,050 --> 00:53:04,039
income median

1199
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:09,360
income sorry based on neighborhood and there is a striking

1200
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,280
correspondence if

1201
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:17,130
you compare median incomes of neighborhoods in Denton to

1202
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:18,639
the map that

1203
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:21,849
that that you all provided with which I appreciated that

1204
00:53:21,849 --> 00:53:22,719
showed where the

1205
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,690
multifamily and residential and commercial deposits are

1206
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:27,199
there's a

1207
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,750
remarkable correspondence between clusters of multifamily

1208
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:32,480
deposits and our

1209
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,199
lowest income neighborhoods which you know according to

1210
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,159
this the census data

1211
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:46,559
you know count is to 29,000 to 39,000 or 29,000 or less so

1212
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:47,000
there is

1213
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,909
correspondence between these clusters and and that's

1214
00:53:51,909 --> 00:53:55,639
significant enough to me to

1215
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:01,400
suggest that that we need to keep looking into you know who

1216
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,639
are these these

1217
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:11,230
customers are who are in these lower ranked deposit

1218
00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:15,039
categories and you know

1219
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:19,179
as we plow ahead and also as we consider you know what we

1220
00:54:19,179 --> 00:54:20,719
want to ask for from

1221
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,320
the new whoever is going to facilitate the plus one program

1222
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,440
you know things

1223
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,119
for them to look into so I see this is a work in progress I

1224
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:31,360
'm happy with the

1225
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,710
direction that that it's moving in and I just wanted to

1226
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:37,199
thank people for for

1227
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:47,960
working on this so thanks motion I move motion to approve

1228
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,679
in a second any

1229
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:55,079
discussion I just one question yes Brendan's question about

1230
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:56,119
clarification on

1231
00:54:56,119 --> 00:55:00,090
when staff is is present is that going to be addressed in a

1232
00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:01,519
change yeah that's

1233
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:05,840
what I understand we'll address the this was the new

1234
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,719
language in the ordinance

1235
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:13,280
correct right right yeah that there's not going to be any

1236
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,280
disconnects where

1237
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,159
there's their staff there or not

1238
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:26,070
okay thank you thank you thanks for that clarification all

1239
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:27,199
in favor the motion say

1240
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:36,199
aye any opposed same time okay motion passes next item we

1241
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,519
have is item D which

1242
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,869
is to consider recommending adoption of an ordinance

1243
00:55:42,869 --> 00:55:44,280
approve a contract to

1244
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,650
supply for the supply of work so a gas engine lubrication

1245
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:49,960
oil and cooling

1246
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:58,639
system glycol for DEC good morning I'm Chris Ludrick I'm an

1247
00:55:58,639 --> 00:55:59,599
engineer with DME

1248
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,579
and I one of the project managers for the Denton Energy

1249
00:56:02,579 --> 00:56:04,000
Center so I have a

1250
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,360
very short presentation here to to highlight the

1251
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,119
information provided in

1252
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:14,369
your packet for IFB 6632 it's the purchase of two fluids

1253
00:56:14,369 --> 00:56:15,519
for the didn't

1254
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:21,929
gas engines that's the lube oil and glycol so I'll kind of

1255
00:56:21,929 --> 00:56:23,159
go over an

1256
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:26,369
internal combustion engine overview to kind of show you

1257
00:56:26,369 --> 00:56:27,519
what we're buying and

1258
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:31,489
why we're why we're buying it the summary of the bids the

1259
00:56:31,489 --> 00:56:31,760
staff

1260
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,519
recommendations and then any questions you may have so a

1261
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,380
short presentation so

1262
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:40,269
I had to jazz it up here a little bit so here's an

1263
00:56:40,269 --> 00:56:43,239
animation we have of a four

1264
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,780
stroke engine very very similar to what you have in your

1265
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:48,159
autumn in your car or

1266
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:52,730
truck down here is the the rotating part so the camshaft

1267
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:55,039
rods and pistons so or

1268
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:58,800
this engine looks a little low on oil here but this area is

1269
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,480
where the

1270
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,000
lubrication oil which is probably the most critical fluid

1271
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:03,800
in an engine

1272
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,300
provides lubrication for the moving parts it also has a

1273
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,639
secondary function

1274
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:13,769
as it's used to absorb heat so the second second item we

1275
00:57:13,769 --> 00:57:14,739
have is for the

1276
00:57:14,739 --> 00:57:18,710
glycol so up in the head area of an engine you have water

1277
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:19,599
circulating just

1278
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,809
like again very similar to your car so you have water

1279
00:57:22,809 --> 00:57:24,440
circulating in this area

1280
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,360
of the engine to remove heat but also on the lower end

1281
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,519
where you cannot have any

1282
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:38,530
water the oil provides a cooling a cooling function so once

1283
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:40,000
again those are

1284
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,019
the two the two functions for the two fluids that we're

1285
00:57:43,019 --> 00:57:44,039
buying I just thought

1286
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,539
it throw a little kind of one oh engine 101 in there we

1287
00:57:47,539 --> 00:57:50,280
received seven bits on

1288
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,599
this IFB and it was a dual-purpose IFB so we set out one IF

1289
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:55,920
B for two purchases

1290
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,639
both of these items are usually supplied through a

1291
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:00,360
distributor that supplies both

1292
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,400
the engine oil and glycol and other and other fluids so

1293
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,760
kind of made sense to

1294
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,480
send it out as one bid so we received seven bids for the l

1295
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,639
ube oil and seven

1296
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:15,440
bids for the antifreeze or glycol the oil bids ranged from

1297
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,880
five dollars and

1298
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,309
seventy nine cents per gallon up to a seven dollars and

1299
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:21,760
thirty nine cents per

1300
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,730
gallon and the glycol bids ranged from seventy nine

1301
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:26,639
thousand nine hundred

1302
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:29,849
fifty three dollars to a hundred and seventy two thousand

1303
00:58:29,849 --> 00:58:30,679
eight hundred and

1304
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,440
twenty five dollars the oil was it was a fixed quantity

1305
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,360
this will be a single

1306
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,880
purchase of fifty seven thousand gallons of lube oil so

1307
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,960
each engine is gonna

1308
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,440
contain will hold about four thousand gallons of oil so

1309
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,719
that's about forty

1310
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:47,500
eight thousand gallons and then we have some on-site

1311
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:48,679
storage tank where we'll

1312
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:52,349
keep in a maintenance amount of oil on site so this

1313
00:58:52,349 --> 00:58:53,639
purchase should get us

1314
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,039
through the first couple of years so it's a single purchase

1315
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:58,280
glycol on the

1316
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,250
other hand is a as you see the amounts here are the total

1317
00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:03,679
amount so we went to

1318
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:06,170
the manufacturers and everybody's products a little

1319
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:06,639
different the

1320
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:10,869
molecular weight of their product is a little different so

1321
00:59:10,869 --> 00:59:12,159
we said we want to

1322
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:16,760
freeze protect our cooling system total cooling system down

1323
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,000
to 15 degrees

1324
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,800
Fahrenheit so therefore we had different values or

1325
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,280
different quantities that

1326
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,489
would be supplied by each manufacturer so the bid that we

1327
00:59:25,489 --> 00:59:26,719
would that we want to

1328
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:31,000
go with from O'Rourke their quantity is eight thousand

1329
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,360
seven hundred gallons of

1330
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,719
glycol so our staff recommendation is the lowest cost bid

1331
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:38,639
was submitted by

1332
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:41,550
Reader distributors Inc. they're out of Fort Worth Texas

1333
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:42,519
and that's not to

1334
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:47,679
exceed three hundred and thirty thousand dollars the glycol

1335
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:48,920
the lowest cost bid

1336
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,889
was submitted by O'Rourke distribution company also out of

1337
00:59:52,889 --> 00:59:54,119
Fort Worth Texas and

1338
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,329
that amounts seventy nine thousand nine hundred and fifty

1339
00:59:57,329 --> 01:00:00,280
three dollars so at

1340
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,849
this time it's pretty short presentation any questions you

1341
01:00:04,849 --> 01:00:05,679
may have in the

1342
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:10,590
documentation it looked like there are some pretty specific

1343
01:00:10,590 --> 01:00:11,880
specifications for

1344
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,849
the oil yes sir and it didn't look like there were that

1345
01:00:15,849 --> 01:00:17,320
many specifications for

1346
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,320
the glycol product no sir that there is not so there is

1347
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,440
there were there is two

1348
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,409
main choices that you have in the antifreeze coolant realm

1349
01:00:26,409 --> 01:00:26,760
that's a

1350
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,079
monopropylene glycol or ethylene glycol ethylene glycols

1351
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:31,960
most people are used to

1352
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,610
is the bright yellow it's it's it's more toxic the prop

1353
01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:38,119
ylene glycol is more

1354
01:00:38,119 --> 01:00:40,920
environmental friendly so Wardzilla you can go with either

1355
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,840
one some parts of the

1356
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,889
country if you're a little further south Arizona you wouldn

1357
01:00:44,889 --> 01:00:46,320
't have to have any any

1358
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,400
any antifreeze in there but but where we where we said in

1359
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,119
North Texas a prime

1360
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,940
example would be last week where we experienced

1361
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:56,760
temperatures below freezing

1362
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,110
for you know 60 hours the inside the engine hall of course

1363
01:01:00,110 --> 01:01:01,199
that's heated so

1364
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,570
the engines there wouldn't be a problem of a freeze there

1365
01:01:04,570 --> 01:01:05,480
where you would damage

1366
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,690
the engine that the antifreeze is needed on the exterior

1367
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:10,039
part so the radiators are

1368
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:14,280
sitting outside so that that cooling fluid and in a time

1369
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:14,880
when maybe you're

1370
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,920
not running in the winter would be exposed so our

1371
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,019
recommendation was in a

1372
01:01:19,019 --> 01:01:23,309
15 to 20 degree range so that's the quantity of glycol that

1373
01:01:23,309 --> 01:01:24,199
we put out today

1374
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,800
what what do you think accounted for the bid despite I mean

1375
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,960
disparity there was

1376
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,829
one hundred and seventy six thousand and one for seventy

1377
01:01:32,829 --> 01:01:34,760
just there's quite a few

1378
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,559
bits and and and I would the answer to that would be is is

1379
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:39,880
most everybody bid

1380
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,659
on the oil so the oil is the larger purchase and then they

1381
01:01:42,659 --> 01:01:43,480
may have to they

1382
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,829
may have to go out and sub out or or broker out another ant

1383
01:01:46,829 --> 01:01:48,440
ifreeze purchase so

1384
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,010
I would say for the ability to bid on both even though they

1385
01:01:51,010 --> 01:01:52,440
didn't have to that

1386
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,090
they chose to put a number in there to see okay so you don

1387
01:01:57,090 --> 01:01:57,760
't feel like there's

1388
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,440
any quality differences no between the lowest bidder

1389
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,960
product and the highest

1390
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,599
better product no sir no sir they'll be provided with a

1391
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:06,119
data sheet and there's a

1392
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:09,139
instrument I think it's called a refractometer so just like

1393
01:02:09,139 --> 01:02:09,840
in the old

1394
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,800
days you had a little press dome thing you take out the

1395
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,800
sample and see where

1396
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,289
that where the balls float in there there's a little more

1397
01:02:16,289 --> 01:02:17,320
scientific method

1398
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,949
we have that the plan that Jason will have at the plant he

1399
01:02:19,949 --> 01:02:20,960
'll be able to take

1400
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,769
a sample and he'll be able to tell what its freeze point

1401
01:02:24,769 --> 01:02:25,480
will be at that point

1402
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,730
thank you we put that in the contract that they needed to

1403
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:30,239
supply their their

1404
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:36,059
product to meet this this rating okay thank you question go

1405
01:02:36,059 --> 01:02:37,800
ahead yeah I have a

1406
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,170
question about cutting costs and you might have looked into

1407
01:02:41,170 --> 01:02:43,000
this all already

1408
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,210
outside of the bidding process or maybe as part of the

1409
01:02:46,210 --> 01:02:48,880
bidding process but I

1410
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,449
think you mentioned that the lube oil is enough for one to

1411
01:02:53,449 --> 01:02:54,880
two years is that

1412
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:01,289
correct yes so did you look into the possibility of

1413
01:03:01,289 --> 01:03:03,000
purchasing it and what

1414
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:09,110
the price difference would be if we were to purchase it in

1415
01:03:09,110 --> 01:03:11,199
a smaller amount in

1416
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:18,050
considering that we that we now know that all 12 engines

1417
01:03:18,050 --> 01:03:19,639
aren't necessary

1418
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:24,239
possibly say it's just hypothetical say we end up divesting

1419
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:25,440
some I mean you know

1420
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,039
just to look into saving costs making sure that we don't

1421
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:31,719
end up with all this

1422
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:34,480
lube oil that we don't end up using or is this one of these

1423
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,400
situations where

1424
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:41,329
you pay less to get more what's what's the most cost-

1425
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:43,199
effective way to get the

1426
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:47,000
least amount that we need and have the least waste very

1427
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,360
good question so we if

1428
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,599
I understand it right we this oil purchase there's about 4,

1429
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:55,440
000 gallons per

1430
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,250
engine so we have to fill up all 12 engines through our

1431
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:00,539
construction

1432
01:04:00,539 --> 01:04:03,750
commissioning phase of the project all the engines have to

1433
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:04,760
be filled with oil

1434
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,820
so that's that's the bulk of the purchase from the

1435
01:04:07,820 --> 01:04:08,760
beginning from the

1436
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,429
beginning got it and then once and that oil also provides

1437
01:04:12,429 --> 01:04:14,480
you some protection

1438
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,349
features so all of them those that's all steel in there all

1439
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:18,559
gets coated with oil

1440
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:22,199
so it needs it needs to have oil in it so that the purchase

1441
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:23,119
the reason we were

1442
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,610
bringing it up now is they're they're getting close to

1443
01:04:25,610 --> 01:04:26,239
ready to fill those

1444
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:29,199
engines so at that point here at the end of the month that

1445
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:30,280
they will be filled

1446
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,989
with oil if you didn't run them the oil the oil still be in

1447
01:04:35,989 --> 01:04:37,039
there so the extra

1448
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:39,679
amount we got it is the maintenance amount so we have a

1449
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:40,840
tank on hand so we

1450
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,809
use the bulk purchase of all of that oil to go ahead and

1451
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:46,320
fill up our maintenance

1452
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,400
tank so that we could take advantage of that large oil

1453
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,760
purchase we were getting

1454
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,969
some quotes or kind of we're just talking around that oil

1455
01:04:54,969 --> 01:04:55,719
you know if you

1456
01:04:55,719 --> 01:04:58,929
buy a gallon it's probably ten or fifteen dollars a gallon

1457
01:04:58,929 --> 01:05:00,280
so we kind of maximized

1458
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,340
our purchase by buying our amount we needed for the first

1459
01:05:04,340 --> 01:05:05,519
couple years of

1460
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:08,429
maintenance all in a single purchase and how much and

1461
01:05:08,429 --> 01:05:09,920
apologies if you have

1462
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,309
already mentioned this but how much will be in the

1463
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:16,199
maintenance tank after you fill

1464
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:20,199
up I think it's gonna be about ten ten thousand gallons ten

1465
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:21,119
thousand gallons

1466
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,920
roughly two engines okay and that's enough for maintenance

1467
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:25,800
for one to two

1468
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,320
years yeah yeah we're determining so this oil is a little

1469
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:29,800
different than your

1470
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,659
car Jiffy Lube's not gonna come put a sticker on there that

1471
01:05:32,659 --> 01:05:33,719
says three months

1472
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:37,690
or three years or 30,000 or 3,000 miles you have to change

1473
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:39,480
your oil so like I

1474
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,559
said that the oil is very key to the life of these engines

1475
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:44,219
so they'll be

1476
01:05:44,219 --> 01:05:48,579
taking oil samples so there's not really a change like a a

1477
01:05:48,579 --> 01:05:49,639
point where you have

1478
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:52,260
to change the oil out they'll be taking samples of this oil

1479
01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:53,119
send it off it'll

1480
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:56,800
come back and there's some condemning factors so if you

1481
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,239
have a leak so say

1482
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:00,789
your radiator is leaking or the cooling system leaks a

1483
01:06:00,789 --> 01:06:02,000
little water in the oil

1484
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,230
you're gonna degrade that oil so when we send that in for

1485
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:06,159
tests they're gonna

1486
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:09,010
come back and say yeah you're still above it's still it's

1487
01:06:09,010 --> 01:06:09,960
still good oil or

1488
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,510
it's not good oil so these engines are gonna develop a

1489
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:15,639
characteristic of their

1490
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:18,440
own you know if you hope you have no water leaks or

1491
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,960
anything like that but

1492
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,469
but so it'll be like on an engine by engine basis so we do

1493
01:06:23,469 --> 01:06:24,639
have some

1494
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:28,610
abilities in this plant it's a very expensive purchase so

1495
01:06:28,610 --> 01:06:29,360
we have the

1496
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,219
ability we have a maintenance tank so say the engine gets

1497
01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:33,199
in and it needs some

1498
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:35,690
maintenance well you got to get the oil out so we have a

1499
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:36,400
maintenance tank we can

1500
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,750
transfer that oil as a large quantity to a maintenance tank

1501
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:40,840
do the repairs and

1502
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,860
then put that oil back in the engine so the plant set up to

1503
01:06:43,860 --> 01:06:44,840
maximize the

1504
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,440
to maximize the life of the engine one thanks for

1505
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,880
explaining how that works

1506
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:59,440
you're welcome okay any other questions no hearing none is

1507
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,639
there a motion then to

1508
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:09,320
approve item D I move motion and a second to approve any

1509
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,239
other discussion

1510
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:17,489
hearing none all in favor say aye any opposed same sign

1511
01:07:17,489 --> 01:07:18,840
okay thank you very

1512
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,519
much thanks sir

1513
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,519
okay

1514
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:37,030
um all right ACM update yes good morning members of the

1515
01:07:37,030 --> 01:07:38,760
board in your packet you

1516
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,119
have the municipal electric transmission cost of service

1517
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:43,639
right filing that will

1518
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:45,829
be made with the Public Utilities Commission of Texas if

1519
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:46,360
you have any

1520
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,269
questions we have George Morrow here along with his staff

1521
01:07:49,269 --> 01:07:49,960
to be able to

1522
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,150
answer any questions that you may have about that filing if

1523
01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:57,679
not you have your

1524
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,369
future agenda items one thing I'd like to remind you all is

1525
01:08:00,369 --> 01:08:01,119
that that next

1526
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:05,429
meeting on the 22nd of January will be at 6 p.m. so it just

1527
01:08:05,429 --> 01:08:06,599
will send that a

1528
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:09,840
reminder but 6 p.m. on the 22nd in the council work session

1529
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,639
room so we'll be

1530
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:15,239
here that evening at 6 p.m. on the 22nd and then we have

1531
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:16,840
the new business matrix

1532
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,789
and I believe there were no items added in the month of

1533
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:21,439
December and so if

1534
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,409
there's anything that you want to add or or comment on we

1535
01:08:25,409 --> 01:08:28,560
'll be trying to respond

1536
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:37,760
accordingly don't hear any okay very good all right conclud

1537
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,319
ing items any

1538
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,369
member that has we'll actually I guess now is the time to

1539
01:08:44,369 --> 01:08:45,800
put future agenda

1540
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:54,100
items or suggestions for future agenda items from anybody

1541
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:58,279
hearing none okay

1542
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:07,710
then we will now move into a closed meeting we're before

1543
01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:10,880
for the purpose of

1544
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,119
deliberations regarding certain public power