WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.519 First item on our agenda is we have a work session to 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:08.679 receive report, hold a 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:12.640 discussion, and provide direction regarding the DMV 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.039 community sponsorship 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:20.000 program and I think Brian Langley is going to lead us on 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:20.480 that. 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:27.179 Good morning. Brian Langley, Deputy City Manager. I want to 00:00:27.179 --> 00:00:28.399 spend a few minutes with you today 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:31.510 talking about the community sponsorship program at DMV and 00:00:31.510 --> 00:00:32.399 try to get some 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:37.509 direction from the PEB of how you'd like us to proceed. So 00:00:37.509 --> 00:00:39.560 just in terms of 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:43.969 background DMV currently has approximately $100,000 budget 00:00:43.969 --> 00:00:44.320 ed for 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.549 sponsorships on an annual basis in the budget. These funds 00:00:48.549 --> 00:00:49.640 are typically used 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.130 for nonprofit organizations and sometimes other City 00:00:52.130 --> 00:00:53.039 Department events. 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.960 The purpose really has been to provide a similar process to 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:58.320 what is found in Iowa 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.869 use, investor operated utilities or owned utilities. And so 00:01:01.869 --> 00:01:03.119 over the past few years 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:08.079 DMV has spent between $42,000 to $64,000 annually on some 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:08.239 of the 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.670 sponsorships and in your backup I included a five-year 00:01:11.670 --> 00:01:12.599 history of those 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:20.019 sponsorships by year. Other sponsorships for the city 00:01:20.019 --> 00:01:20.439 typically 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.239 require City Council approval. So if you look at the agenda 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:24.120 , for example for 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.819 tomorrow's agenda for council, there are a couple of 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:28.299 sponsorships for the 00:01:28.299 --> 00:01:30.650 Parks Department that's going forward to the City Council 00:01:30.650 --> 00:01:31.519 for approval and some 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.299 in-kind sponsorships and some types of things that they're 00:01:34.299 --> 00:01:35.159 going to be doing 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:38.640 for those events. These sponsorships also have an 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.120 application process. There's 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:42.750 some selection criteria and a formal agreement that's 00:01:42.750 --> 00:01:43.840 entered into the city 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:47.799 and the other parties. DMV does not have any such formal 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:49.159 process and only an 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.180 internal approval process has been used. Very informal how 00:01:53.180 --> 00:01:55.599 it's been done. So in 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.980 terms of the purpose of this meeting we're looking to get 00:01:57.980 --> 00:01:58.920 some direction from 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.689 you on whether number one do you think this is a program 00:02:01.689 --> 00:02:02.519 that should be 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.739 continued and if so we would like to present to you and the 00:02:07.739 --> 00:02:09.039 council proposed 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:11.860 application and approval process for future events so that 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:12.479 we can try to 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.919 formalize this. This could be done where it was you would 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:17.080 approve them on an 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.650 individual basis or you could approve all of them at one 00:02:20.650 --> 00:02:23.139 time potentially. So 00:02:23.139 --> 00:02:26.909 with that I'll be happy to answer any questions that you 00:02:26.909 --> 00:02:27.599 may have. 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:37.939 The rest of the money would go into the fund balance for DM 00:02:37.939 --> 00:02:40.360 V or could be used 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.680 for other purposes in the budget. 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.789 One of the slides earlier confused me. The DMV does not 00:02:49.789 --> 00:02:51.319 have an application 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.060 process so which ones do have an application process that 00:02:55.060 --> 00:02:55.919 you referenced 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.520 in one of the slides? The other departments that I've 00:02:58.520 --> 00:02:59.120 mentioned to you 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.439 that we've seen they have a formal application process. The 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:03.400 one I'm most 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:07.819 familiar with is the hotel occupancy occupancy tax process 00:03:07.819 --> 00:03:08.560 so some of you may 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.379 be familiar with that process around the city but there's a 00:03:11.379 --> 00:03:12.120 formal set of 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.870 guidelines that are developed in an application process and 00:03:15.870 --> 00:03:16.520 all of the 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.340 entities that want to receive those funds they submit an 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:20.319 application it goes 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.699 to a committee the committee tries to evaluate those and 00:03:22.699 --> 00:03:23.000 make a 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:26.439 recommendation of which ones to fund and all of that comes 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:27.639 as a slate to the City 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:32.360 Council to approve. If we were to develop something could 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:33.240 we have it part of the 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.530 budgeting process that next year here are the sponsorships 00:03:36.530 --> 00:03:37.520 that we're going 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:41.159 to have? I really didn't think any of these are 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.560 inappropriate I mean they're 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.840 giving back to the community so especially things like the 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:48.639 tree giveaway 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.319 well that helps shade your house so your house is more 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:52.520 energy efficient you know 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.919 we need to do those kinds of things so I'm in support of 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.199 continuing this and if 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.780 we need some guidelines that's appropriate too. Okay well 00:04:03.780 --> 00:04:04.120 we can 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.389 certainly make it as part of the budget process and the hot 00:04:06.389 --> 00:04:07.159 funds process that 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.360 I was mentioning to you that's exactly how that works is 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:10.240 they come forward as 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.530 part of the budget process and the council approves them as 00:04:12.530 --> 00:04:13.020 part of the 00:04:13.020 --> 00:04:15.610 annual budget so if that's something the PB would like to 00:04:15.610 --> 00:04:16.399 see we could certainly 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:19.629 do it that way going forward. We just wanted to make sure 00:04:19.629 --> 00:04:20.399 that all of these 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.399 were known they were clearly visible both the PUP the City 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:24.120 Council and the 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:28.639 public. We've seen this before yeah these have come to the 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:29.800 public utility board 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:35.009 and from what I understand that a lot of these came by our 00:04:35.009 --> 00:04:36.040 genes of various 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:40.399 council members and perhaps the city managers and times 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:41.439 past so it hasn't 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.949 been a decision that's just been made by a little group at 00:04:44.949 --> 00:04:46.120 DME that it's come 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:51.050 sort of from the community and I think I think as others 00:04:51.050 --> 00:04:53.319 have a process there 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.620 should be a process but I'd like to see it continue if we 00:04:56.620 --> 00:04:57.800 didn't own our own 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.670 utilities and we had a vendor in for the utilities that's 00:05:01.670 --> 00:05:02.600 what they do I 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.879 understand CAHSER is quite heavily involved in some of the 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:07.720 same things we 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:11.189 are to a greater extent so I think it's a good program and 00:05:11.189 --> 00:05:12.459 I think the citizens 00:05:12.459 --> 00:05:20.139 deserve to be the benefit of these things. Yeah you know my 00:05:20.139 --> 00:05:20.879 comment would be 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:27.769 that we need to be as you know consistent across across how 00:05:27.769 --> 00:05:28.480 we do it in 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:33.319 the city but that you know being a municipally owned 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:35.319 utility there is 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:41.579 somewhat of a an obligation if you will that and I like 00:05:41.579 --> 00:05:44.079 Barbara I look down the 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:48.389 list and there's a lot of recognizable nonprofits on here 00:05:48.389 --> 00:05:49.399 that are very 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:54.480 deserving and I don't know that we want to get into every 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:56.360 application but in the 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:00.550 budget process it would be nice to have okay let's set out 00:06:00.550 --> 00:06:01.920 a criteria maybe 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:05.350 philosophically here's what we're going to support these 00:06:05.350 --> 00:06:07.240 type of nonprofits it's 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.470 you know it's got to be a community-wide benefit or 00:06:10.470 --> 00:06:12.079 something that benefits a 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.029 community and let's use that as you know kind of the 00:06:16.029 --> 00:06:17.839 guidelines going forward so 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:22.800 if y'all can come back with a recommendation on how that 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:23.399 process is 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:30.529 going to look through the budget process and you know if 00:06:30.529 --> 00:06:32.319 you're gonna 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.860 including because once you do this it's going to open it up 00:06:36.860 --> 00:06:38.439 there's going to be 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.839 a lot of people want to apply for a grant or a nonprofit 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:42.800 believe me I 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:48.019 probably get three or four solicitations a week from from 00:06:48.019 --> 00:06:49.680 good causes that some 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.310 that you just have to okay here's what the dollars are let 00:06:53.310 --> 00:06:54.560 's let's allocate 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:59.110 that and let's let's go let's plan it going forward because 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:01.160 a lot of the a lot 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:05.490 of these nonprofits are going to want to plan much farther 00:07:05.490 --> 00:07:07.680 ahead than just week 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.759 to week or month to month they want to know they want to be 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:12.399 able to budget you 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.120 know what's coming so any other comments on that now I'm in 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:18.040 a total agreement I 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.899 want to keep this program as much as possible and you know 00:07:21.899 --> 00:07:23.319 try to be as 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.269 generous as possible to to a lot of these organizations I 00:07:26.269 --> 00:07:27.160 saw there were a 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:33.129 couple that were not included in this year's budget I guess 00:07:33.129 --> 00:07:34.240 and I had some 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.920 questions about that in particular like the Denton Public 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.199 Library and there were 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.769 a couple of others that I was kind of questioning why we 00:07:41.769 --> 00:07:42.839 weren't doing those 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.189 this year since we had in years past because I felt like 00:07:45.189 --> 00:07:46.000 they were really 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.420 good organizations to promote and to keep on board so but 00:07:50.420 --> 00:07:51.800 having a criteria 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.769 across the board so that no one ever accuses us of you know 00:07:55.769 --> 00:07:57.199 playing favorites 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.949 or you know favoritism or anything like that I definitely 00:07:59.949 --> 00:08:00.800 want to see that 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.759 happen okay one of the things that I particularly like is 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:06.579 the things that 00:08:06.579 --> 00:08:10.550 they have like the lineman rodeo and some things that the 00:08:10.550 --> 00:08:11.839 staff the people 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.300 that do the work for us every day I think that's good for 00:08:15.300 --> 00:08:17.160 morale to have have 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.560 that and I'd like to see that stay and the lineman's rodeo 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:21.519 that helps our 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.800 lineman be better and work safer in an outage so it it's an 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.360 important thing for 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:32.299 us to be supporting them in absolutely well if I if I've 00:08:32.299 --> 00:08:33.159 got your direction 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.450 down then I'll bring back some some guidelines and 00:08:35.450 --> 00:08:36.679 application process for 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.169 you I did want to mention that on tomorrow's council agenda 00:08:39.169 --> 00:08:39.679 we have the 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.259 same work session to try to get their feedback and we'll 00:08:42.259 --> 00:08:43.340 bring something back 00:08:43.340 --> 00:08:47.350 based on your feedback in there to you okay okay thank you 00:08:47.350 --> 00:08:47.879 so much for your 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:56.710 time thanks okay continuing now with the regular meeting we 00:08:56.710 --> 00:08:57.559 have the consent 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:04.289 agenda we have two items on consent a and B years any any 00:09:04.289 --> 00:09:05.559 member who would 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.750 like to have either of those pull for individual 00:09:09.750 --> 00:09:14.679 consideration be Brendan 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:26.860 request item BB pool be be pulled okay any others no okay 00:09:26.860 --> 00:09:27.639 then is there a 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:36.440 motion then to approve item a on the consent agenda motion 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:37.600 second Barbara and 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:46.019 a second Susan any discussion all in favor say aye any 00:09:46.019 --> 00:09:48.679 opposed same sign okay 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:53.120 item number B Brendan I just kind of wanted a general 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.500 overview of what the 00:09:55.500 --> 00:09:58.919 plan was what the project was I read through some of the 00:09:58.919 --> 00:09:59.799 detailed information 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:04.370 that was provided but I just thought maybe general 00:10:04.370 --> 00:10:11.279 explanation of it I do 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.570 have a very brief presentation if if you want me to go 00:10:14.570 --> 00:10:16.399 through that otherwise I 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:25.220 I can just answer questions on that so the item that's 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:27.919 before you is an 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:31.669 interconnection agreement and with target this is actually 00:10:31.669 --> 00:10:32.399 the retail 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.929 facility not the storage facility so this is on the retail 00:10:36.929 --> 00:10:37.840 facility on the 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.720 loop so I can quickly go over this distributed generation 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:42.399 interconnection 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.529 process and the agreement with target our recommendation 00:10:45.529 --> 00:10:46.639 and sort of the steps 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.950 and then if you have any questions that I don't answer in 00:10:48.950 --> 00:10:50.879 this please just shout 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:56.879 them out in the process and typically when we have and 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:57.960 distributed generation 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.629 interconnections come to us they're small systems these are 00:11:00.629 --> 00:11:01.639 the solar systems 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.480 that people are installing on their homes they're usually 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:05.320 ranging in size 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:11.200 from about four or five KW to maybe ten target system is to 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:11.840 put that in 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.769 perspective is 660 KW so it's a very large installation and 00:11:16.769 --> 00:11:17.159 we wanted to 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.320 bring that forward to the pub one to make you aware of that 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.279 - this is going to 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.740 be part of our ongoing effort to make sure you guys are 00:11:24.740 --> 00:11:25.759 aware of these 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:29.330 installations that are going on and make sure that you're 00:11:29.330 --> 00:11:30.480 on the process that 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.889 we're going to be used so for this one in particular we 00:11:32.889 --> 00:11:33.840 wanted to make sure 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.250 that you guys were aware these these agreements are 00:11:36.250 --> 00:11:37.759 typically executed by DME 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.889 staff we're going to change the process a little bit and 00:11:40.889 --> 00:11:42.159 this this one was the 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:44.360 first one up we thought this was a good one to bring 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.440 forward to you and so when 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.000 someone applies for interconnection it's simply a process 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:49.720 by which they go 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.240 through our engineering department they go through building 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:53.399 inspections and we 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.549 make sure that their systems are safe to interconnect with 00:11:57.549 --> 00:11:59.759 our grid and for this 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:03.679 particular system we were required by the PUC to do an 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:04.679 inter pre interconnection 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.210 study and that's been finalized and basically what that 00:12:08.210 --> 00:12:09.399 said was it's safe 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:12.899 their system design is safe and can interconnect and Brent 00:12:12.899 --> 00:12:13.720 maybe I don't 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.059 know if you might be able to add anything on that I can't 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:16.679 speak to the 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.139 engineering side I apologize but and we did get the results 00:12:20.139 --> 00:12:21.440 from that study and 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:23.950 it came back and they're good to go so they're going to be 00:12:23.950 --> 00:12:24.879 applying for their 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.799 building permit probably this week if they haven't already 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:29.639 and so the target 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:32.570 system it will be the largest PV system within our service 00:12:32.570 --> 00:12:34.240 territory like I said 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:40.720 it's 660 KW rooftop solar panels going in and for them the 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:41.519 permitting process 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.769 can't begin without the executed agreement and that's they 00:12:44.769 --> 00:12:45.559 actually can 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.580 begin they won't be approved in the process until they have 00:12:48.580 --> 00:12:49.320 the executed 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.029 interconnection agreement and so we recommend approval of 00:12:54.029 --> 00:12:54.519 this this 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.809 agreement I'll add doesn't obligate the city to purchase 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:00.559 any energy produced by 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.129 the system will actually be coming back to you with a 00:13:03.129 --> 00:13:04.399 separate agreement and for 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:08.840 that in the future so you have any questions beyond that 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:13.759 sure I just wanted 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.210 to know is this a trend that we're seeing this is our 00:13:18.210 --> 00:13:20.159 second large 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:26.120 commercial installation so I would be hesitant to call it a 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:27.480 trend right in 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.320 general and the price of solar panels has come down 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.100 drastically so the value 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:35.120 that it's creating for customers is growing and so I 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:36.519 definitely think that 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.080 will continue to see commercial installations of larger 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:39.840 scale maybe not 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.519 this size although it wouldn't surprise me if we saw 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:44.159 another retail facility 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.960 that was a similar scale to a target a big-box store moving 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:48.559 forward with this 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:54.519 type of installation in the future you mentioned that we'll 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:55.639 get another 00:13:55.639 --> 00:14:00.769 presentation regarding any purchase purchases of their 00:14:00.769 --> 00:14:01.879 power yes so 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.389 typically on the smaller systems we have a rate that 00:14:05.389 --> 00:14:07.039 applies for the credits that 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.129 are generated if this system pushes back any energy DME 00:14:11.129 --> 00:14:13.159 buys it and the 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.139 particular terms of the interconnection agreement require 00:14:16.139 --> 00:14:17.240 any system that's over 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.809 50 KW to have a separate agreement the reason being is that 00:14:20.809 --> 00:14:21.480 it works a little 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.799 bit different the rate can it can really be impacted by 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:27.120 someone intentionally 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.629 over sizing their system to generate a lot so we have to 00:14:29.629 --> 00:14:30.639 take a closer look at 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.889 that but we're gonna come back with that just out of 00:14:33.889 --> 00:14:36.279 curiosity do we allow them 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.879 to negotiate that right or do we just say right and this is 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:40.960 how we talk with 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:44.179 them about that and so for but for residential customers it 00:14:44.179 --> 00:14:45.240 's just no it's 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.889 that in there in the rate book yes sir but there is a 00:14:47.889 --> 00:14:49.000 reimbursement or a 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.789 purchase we purchase some power from residents yes as well 00:14:52.789 --> 00:14:54.000 yes okay thank you 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.519 I guess it's probably hard to make an estimate of what how 00:14:58.519 --> 00:14:59.879 much of the power 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:05.840 out of this that we would actually be able to purchase 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:07.799 until you really get 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:13.679 into you know what what their usage is and all that but as 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.200 a comparison 60 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.809 kilowatts I mean for instance what's the methane that we 00:15:19.809 --> 00:15:21.240 get off of methane out 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:30.610 of the landfill that generates is that about 60 okay how 00:15:30.610 --> 00:15:31.559 does that transfer to 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:41.080 60 okay okay so 1500 even though it's large it's relatively 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.120 I guess small 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:48.049 because in the grand scheme of things but you know I'm like 00:15:48.049 --> 00:15:49.759 Lily I like the I 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:53.710 like the trend and it's and I don't know that you could you 00:15:53.710 --> 00:15:55.000 could get enough 00:15:55.000 --> 00:16:00.960 rooftops in the city you know maybe we could use this as a 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:02.440 model or whatever 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:07.759 but if we're looking for solar power to purchase you know 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.519 if we I just want to 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.200 make sure that we're through our Emo I know we're buying 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:15.879 bigger contracts of 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.169 solar but at the same time if we can have some piece of 00:16:19.169 --> 00:16:20.759 that solar power that 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.940 we're doing that are rooftops of some of the large 00:16:24.940 --> 00:16:27.399 buildings around town I think 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:31.860 that'd be a great thing to pursue you know like I say it 00:16:31.860 --> 00:16:34.080 may not be it may not 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.649 be in the grand scheme of things a large piece of it but at 00:16:36.649 --> 00:16:37.840 least it's some piece 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.570 of it and it's it's something that benefits our our 00:16:41.570 --> 00:16:44.000 customers as well as it 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.590 it adds more into our renewable portfolio that's that's 00:16:48.590 --> 00:16:50.320 kind of generated 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:55.250 here at home so I like I like I like this type of deal we 00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.120 should use this to 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:02.350 go out and you know maybe we should encourage more we agree 00:17:02.350 --> 00:17:02.480 we're very proud 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:06.420 to have this system installed I think I'm noticing a lot 00:17:06.420 --> 00:17:07.880 more rooftops with 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.250 solar panels on them now as I drive around seems like just 00:17:11.250 --> 00:17:11.880 the last few 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.839 weeks there's been yes ma'am we've had a significant 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:16.759 increase in the number of 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.000 applications we've received in the last few years and we're 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:19.799 very excited about 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:23.220 that it'd be interesting to see the statistics of how it's 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:24.720 increasing sure I 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:30.180 don't is it in maybe nope not in this one but I can 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:31.319 certainly bring that bring 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.839 that back and we have that in another presentation I'll 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:35.319 believe later today at 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.359 committee on the environment so can help me to share that 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:40.200 with you guys and with 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:45.400 Tesla announcing their new solar roof I think we're gonna 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:46.920 see a lot more of that 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.789 yes we've had we've seen interest in that particular 00:17:50.789 --> 00:17:54.720 product already okay any 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.640 other I was just gonna move for approval okay so we have a 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.160 motion to approve and 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.259 a second to recommend adopting an ordinance to execute the 00:18:06.259 --> 00:18:08.319 interconnection 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:12.660 and parallel operation distributed generation with target 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:13.680 and keep in mind 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:18.660 this is only for that does not include any any purchase but 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:20.319 just the ability to 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:25.720 connect and to install it so motion is second any 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:27.440 discussion the other 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:33.400 discussion hearing none all in favor say aye any opposed 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.160 same sign okay thank you 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:44.119 very good okay items for individual consideration we have 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:45.839 the public utility 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:52.220 board minutes of July 24th 2017 these have been distributed 00:18:52.220 --> 00:18:54.000 in advance any 00:18:54.000 --> 00:19:05.119 corrections comments to these no hearing none then these 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.039 will stand approved as 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:14.160 submitted item number B is to receive report hold a 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.119 discussion and provide 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:23.079 recommendation regarding compressed natural gas fueling 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.559 facility good 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:31.109 morning I wanted to bring an update to the board we have 00:19:31.109 --> 00:19:32.480 been discussing the 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.799 issue of the compressed natural gas fueling facility and 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.200 the Associated 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:43.140 Fleet out at a solid waste that has come before you on the 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:45.440 24th of July we took 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:50.259 the same presentation to the council on July 25th and had a 00:19:50.259 --> 00:19:51.519 fairly lengthy 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.880 discussion on the various options that were available 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:56.680 council recommended that 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:01.609 we pursue the compressed natural gas station for city of 00:20:01.609 --> 00:20:03.000 didn't use only 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.769 option which was option three on the performance that we 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:08.200 shared with you last 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.769 time but they did request staff to first search for 00:20:11.769 --> 00:20:14.440 existing CNG stations if 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.730 those happen to be around here in the city of Denton and so 00:20:18.730 --> 00:20:20.440 the closest 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:25.980 existing station that we can find is in grapevine Irving 00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:27.480 area it's about a 40 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.890 mile round trip we did through our research find that there 00:20:31.890 --> 00:20:33.279 was a possibility 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:36.680 of a Denton compressed natural gas station that would offer 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:37.519 retail sales 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:42.839 off of I 35 this is just in the formative stages right now 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:43.980 but we 00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:47.460 thought that there was enough interest in that from our 00:20:47.460 --> 00:20:48.680 perspective to at 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.160 least run some numbers on and see what that might look like 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:53.400 for our particular 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:58.950 fleet keeping in mind that we've got 24 vehicles and those 00:20:58.950 --> 00:21:00.519 vehicles are not 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.750 known for their exceptional mileage and as a result running 00:21:04.750 --> 00:21:06.079 the numbers on those 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:12.180 on a 20 mile round trip per vehicle on a daily basis 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:14.880 putting in the staff time 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.519 associated with that the depreciation of the vehicles 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:19.880 themselves from the extra 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.589 mileage ultimately ends up in about a 3.2 million dollar 00:21:23.589 --> 00:21:25.400 price tag before we 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:31.279 are able to age the CNG fleet out so that we felt that that 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:32.079 option is 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.920 obviously more expensive than the option that we have on 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:37.880 looking at the ability 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.619 to construct a compressed natural gas station for didn't 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:41.599 use at the existing 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.660 renewable fuels island it also has some additional 00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:47.920 uncertainties associated with 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.720 it and some risk one we don't know what this process 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:53.039 project is even going to 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.190 occur we do not know at this point what that fuel island 00:21:56.190 --> 00:21:58.160 would look like how 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:02.440 many available fill-up opportunities there are on a per 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.440 vehicle basis we 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.640 would be in competition for it with anyone else that would 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:08.559 actually be out 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:14.519 there doing the fueling as well we did a staff time on that 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.720 of a about 30-minute 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:21.329 transit I think that's highly optimistic especially going 00:22:21.329 --> 00:22:22.640 down I 35 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.730 with that number of vehicles and and with the uncertainties 00:22:26.730 --> 00:22:27.759 associated with 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:32.690 the number of pumps that would be available so we chose to 00:22:32.690 --> 00:22:33.960 not modify our 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.799 recommendation based on this just due to those uncertain 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:39.359 ties and also due to the 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:44.119 overall cost so we had talked with y'all last time and kind 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:45.160 of circle around this 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:51.140 idea of the retail sales versus city of Denton use only we 00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:53.440 had talked about the 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:57.039 last time about the complications associated with retail 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:57.960 sales and I guess 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:02.089 the only thing I'd like to add on top of that is that we at 00:23:02.089 --> 00:23:03.480 this point at least 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.440 have some indication that we might have a retail competitor 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:08.680 that would be much 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:11.970 more favorably located and would be able to sell the fuel 00:23:11.970 --> 00:23:13.240 at a lower price than 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:17.029 us that that to me means even less support from my 00:23:17.029 --> 00:23:18.960 perspective on the idea 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.690 of having public retail sales for this fuel island so we 00:23:23.690 --> 00:23:25.240 are at this point 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.900 recommending going forward with the city of Denton use only 00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:30.000 at the renewable 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.900 fuels island we've talked in some detail last time about 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:34.000 what this looks like 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:39.089 from a monetary standpoint and basically we're looking at 00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:40.680 about a one point one 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:45.279 three million dollar total investment that would allow us 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:46.640 to basically age the 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.279 fleet out and would also provide us some flexibility to 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:51.440 keep the options 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:55.720 available if C&G turns around or we make some other 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.400 decisions but right now that 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:04.279 is what staff is is recommending and I'd be happy to take 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:05.880 any additional 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.160 questions that you might have we'd like to get a formal 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:10.799 recommendation from the 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.160 board and if you're in support of this and then take that 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:15.839 back to the City 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.869 Council at the next opportunity so I'd be happy to answer 00:24:19.869 --> 00:24:21.880 any questions I'm 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:27.200 sorry Brendan so the the fuel where so the fueling station 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.039 would be where the 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.079 landfill entrance is that's correct one is already that's 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.799 correct and so is this 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.930 I'm sorry I just have kind of a limited understanding of 00:24:35.930 --> 00:24:37.119 this is this is this 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.019 fuel piped to a source or does somebody bring it and fill 00:24:41.019 --> 00:24:42.559 up a tank that resides 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:46.750 right now we have a mobile fueling option but then the 00:24:46.750 --> 00:24:47.799 future in the future 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.400 what we will have is a there is a connection point that we 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:53.559 can actually 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:59.869 access at 1001 Mayhill which is just down the road in fact 00:24:59.869 --> 00:25:00.720 if you drive down 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.259 Mayhill you'll see two buildings sitting there and there's 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:05.680 some yellow bollards 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:10.730 that exist around a gas distribution point what we would do 00:25:10.730 --> 00:25:11.720 is we would 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.980 basically locate the meter there and then there would be a 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:16.039 line extended to 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.569 the fueling station where there would be a all of the 00:25:19.569 --> 00:25:21.519 apparatus necessary to fuel 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.980 the trucks so it would be coming out of a line and not 00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:26.200 being delivered at that 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:31.819 whose line is that it is an atmosphere line okay right so 00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:33.640 we discussed last 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:38.970 time the environmental differences between compressed 00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:40.279 natural gas right and 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:47.700 diesel and it seemed like you know diesel the diesel was 00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:49.880 favored towards low 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:55.759 ozone causing emissions is that correct the the the b20 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:57.640 blend that we use will 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:01.809 produce slightly more nitrogen oxides than the compressed 00:26:01.809 --> 00:26:03.200 natural gas will so 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:09.160 from an ozone standpoint it is just slightly worse from a 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:10.480 green greenhouse 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:15.410 gas standpoint though it is much better okay so that's that 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:16.599 's the the difference 00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:21.799 between the two so the compressed natural gas then is more 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:22.680 harmful from the 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.319 perspective of greenhouse gases is that what you're saying 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:26.680 that that's correct so is 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:31.490 there anything that we can do that can make sure that we 00:26:31.490 --> 00:26:32.880 don't you know that 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.089 our trucks are burning it properly that we're handling it 00:26:36.089 --> 00:26:37.359 properly at the point 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:39.819 and is there anything we can do to put pressure on the 00:26:39.819 --> 00:26:40.799 atmosphere to make sure 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.279 that they're handling it properly I don't know if we can 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.460 put pressure on 00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:51.119 atmosphere I think that there is certainly a an improvement 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:52.079 in having a 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:56.470 fixed fueling versus a mobile option just from the 00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:58.559 standpoint of connections 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:03.220 and disconnects and the way the fuels handled etc so there 00:27:03.220 --> 00:27:05.359 's a I would I would 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.920 say from the standpoint of where we are today with the 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:10.720 mobile fueling platform 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.880 versus the the platform that we're putting in place we'll 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.000 have less leak 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.380 loss we'll have a better opportunity to top off the the 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:20.759 truck so we can get the 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.740 best mileage out of them possible so there's some there's 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:24.640 some ancillary 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.759 benefits from a operational standpoint as well as things 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.200 like leak loss that 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.339 will be improved by having a fixed station so and in 00:27:34.339 --> 00:27:36.000 emission control 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.279 technologies are constantly evolving as well and so that I 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.559 expect that as we 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.920 move into the future there's possibilities to see that on 00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:45.440 both the 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:51.680 biodiesel and CNG platforms sure and so how much longer 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:52.920 will it take before our 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.200 CNG trucks are you know phased out the the trucks 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.920 themselves keeping in mind 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.839 that the majority of them have been fairly recent purchases 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:05.599 we're probably 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:11.480 looking at a five to seven year age out on those and so it 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.319 will if you look at 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:17.460 the at the pro forma that we put together for them for the 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:18.599 retail option 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.609 that we just discussed where we're seeing a pretty 00:28:21.609 --> 00:28:22.960 substantial drop off 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.279 about year five and then we've got a couple of vehicles 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.119 that we feel would 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.279 probably last another two years so we think by the time we 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.240 get to about year 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.990 seven from now we'll be through that that fleet and age 00:28:34.990 --> 00:28:36.359 them out. Okay and how 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:42.599 long will the CNG set up last I mean what's the lifetime on 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:42.839 that? 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.769 I would think that from I don't know an exact answer on 00:28:47.769 --> 00:28:49.119 that but you're 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.470 looking at decades at least for the line and then the 00:28:53.470 --> 00:28:56.000 actual equipment itself I 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.420 don't know Nick if you've got a sense of that but I would I 00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:01.920 would expect just on 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.119 a retail pump basis it lasts at least 10 to 15 years so 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.559 yeah I'm getting a nod so 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.259 that yeah. And then one final question is is there any way 00:29:12.259 --> 00:29:13.640 that that once we 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:18.039 finished out with a CNG that it can be converted into a 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.519 different type of line? 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:26.400 I would think probably not just simply because of the 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:26.880 construction 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.980 for it but keep in mind that that's a full-service fueling 00:29:29.980 --> 00:29:31.039 facility already 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:35.210 and so we have options of E85 gasoline and biodiesel there 00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:37.119 already on site so 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.529 the fueling station itself would certainly still be usable 00:29:41.529 --> 00:29:42.319 and it would 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.890 really depend if we have any additional equipment or make 00:29:46.890 --> 00:29:48.480 some other decision in 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.329 the future as to whether we would use that compressed 00:29:52.329 --> 00:29:54.079 natural gas component. 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.140 I've got a question about can you go back to the pro-former 00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:05.480 chart yeah yes okay 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.829 so so really the difference in the public sales is a $600, 00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:13.279 000 grant from 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.809 TCEQ yes you're basically looking at the differential 00:30:17.809 --> 00:30:20.079 between the money that we 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.880 would have to pay back which is $201,000 and the additional 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:24.599 money that remains 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.299 which is $398,000 there's a slight differential in the 00:30:28.299 --> 00:30:29.839 franchise fee not 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:36.200 much. But I don't see any operation as any O&M expense 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:37.319 associated with the 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:42.089 public sales there would be some of that absolutely yes 00:30:42.089 --> 00:30:43.519 absolutely so that 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.680 difference could be that kind of looks like the only 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.680 difference is we've got to 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.680 send a check back to TCEQ and that's the only difference it 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:52.599 's really more than 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:58.009 that because there's going to be some O&M cost to that as 00:30:58.009 --> 00:30:59.960 well. That's correct we 00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:03.079 we it's a little bit difficult having not been in the 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:04.640 retail fuel business to 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.690 put a put a number to that. We certainly anticipate that 00:31:08.690 --> 00:31:09.799 there'll be some 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.799 administrative components associated with the cash handling 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:13.519 side of it even 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:18.789 though these are card reading pumps but the the other thing 00:31:18.789 --> 00:31:20.039 that we're a little 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.009 bit concerned with as well is just the security of the 00:31:23.009 --> 00:31:25.119 facility. We feel at 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.069 minimum we're going to need cameras we're going to perhaps 00:31:29.069 --> 00:31:31.200 have the the need to 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.309 restrict access at certain times and so we we don't have a 00:31:35.309 --> 00:31:36.839 sense of what those 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.269 expenses might look like but I would completely agree with 00:31:40.269 --> 00:31:41.519 you that gap is is 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.089 probably much smaller in reality once you take those into 00:31:45.089 --> 00:31:47.319 consideration. You 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:53.559 know it seems like if we're if we pull the trigger on the 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:54.480 construction of the 00:31:54.480 --> 00:32:00.809 fueling the CNG fueling station that we're committed to 00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:02.920 using compressed 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.759 natural gas in our fleet won't we since it's a 20-year 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.720 asset and we're I mean 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.369 it's I would not say it's going to be stranded cost if we 00:32:13.369 --> 00:32:14.279 don't. It will be it 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.380 will be a stranded cost that is correct. If we choose to 00:32:18.380 --> 00:32:21.440 not have the additional 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.920 fleet added then certainly that will be a stranded cost. I 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.319 would totally agree 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.079 it's a stranded cost I think the way I would probably 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:30.880 encourage you to look at 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.779 this though is there's probably about a two-year ROI. We're 00:32:34.779 --> 00:32:35.799 bleeding you know 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.940 forty to sixty thousand dollars a month on this decision so 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:40.759 if we've got five to 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.170 seven years left of the fleet you've probably recouped this 00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:44.319 investment in a 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.640 couple of years. Based upon our what we're paying now. 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:48.559 Based upon what we're losing 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:54.009 right now. Correct. And who knows what will happen in seven 00:32:54.009 --> 00:32:54.960 years maybe it'll be a 00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:03.789 great idea again. You don't know. Possibility. Okay any 00:33:03.789 --> 00:33:06.440 other questions? No. 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:11.880 I had one thing Mr. Carroll last time asked about what the 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.559 mobile options look 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.839 like and so this is what the the actual truck is for doing 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:19.039 the the mobile 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:24.910 option. So the front part is a about 700 gallons worth of 00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:26.559 tanks. The back part 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:31.490 with the C&G on it is a actually a mobile compressing unit 00:33:31.490 --> 00:33:32.119 that allows the 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.539 filling of multiple trucks on a on a rapid basis. So this 00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:38.079 is this is an example 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:42.259 of what's coming out to our side. These things are are very 00:33:42.259 --> 00:33:43.680 expensive and they 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.910 also have limited fill capability due to the connections 00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:49.440 that that they require 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.750 and so we we chose not to pursue this just from a monetary 00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:53.839 and operational 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.799 standpoint. One more question. Sure. I'm sorry on the we 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.319 comparing the cost of 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:09.719 the actual trucks with compressed natural gas versus diesel 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.480 is there a 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:17.050 difference between the cost of the of the vehicles to use 00:34:17.050 --> 00:34:19.039 biodiesel versus 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.070 what I'd call regular diesel because that's what we're 00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:24.480 picking up the the 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.800 biodiesel is we're picking up the 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:37.039 not the greenhouse gas but the nitrogen oxide savings I 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:37.519 guess if you 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.010 will reduction in that so is there a difference in the cost 00:34:41.010 --> 00:34:41.679 there? I don't 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.719 I don't believe those platforms are different and I'm 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.000 getting another nod 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:52.610 suggesting that was a good guess. Okay. So okay any other 00:34:52.610 --> 00:34:56.559 questions? None. Is there 00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:02.099 a motion then to make a recommendation regarding the CNG 00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:04.320 fueling facility? 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.599 I'll move approval. A motion from Susan and a second from 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:11.440 Barbara. Any other 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:17.400 discussion? It's kind of odd that we've ended up in a 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.400 situation like this and so it's I'm 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.440 reluctant to vote for it as reluctant as we were to even 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:24.840 motion for approval on 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.860 it but it seems like it's the best step forward and in the 00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:28.960 tight spot that we're 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:34.920 in. I think the the reality is we have the best way to 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.440 recover what our 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:43.469 stranded cost is going to be at this point. I agree with 00:35:43.469 --> 00:35:46.679 Brandon. Okay I'll 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.610 call the vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed same 00:35:51.610 --> 00:35:53.639 sign. Thank you. Thanks 00:35:53.639 --> 00:36:06.760 Kenny. Thank you. Okay item C is ACM update. Mr. Chairman I 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.159 believe there is a 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.579 slight modification on the water or water fee ordinances. I 00:36:13.579 --> 00:36:14.559 don't know if it 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:19.400 was Chuck or Kenny that's going to be presenting that. 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:28.159 These two items are adjusted by either a consumer price 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.039 index or as a percentage 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:38.719 of the Dallas water rate and so they are basically a at the 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:40.360 time that the 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.320 information was presented to the board we did not have that 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:44.599 information in hand. 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.099 This is typically brought to you all around this time of 00:36:48.099 --> 00:36:49.400 the year to just let 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.480 you know what we had put in the actual rate books and so 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:53.679 the rate books that 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:58.409 have gone forward to counsel for their evaluation have 00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:00.239 these corrected numbers 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:08.039 in them. So this is a set 85% of Dallas. That's correct yes 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:09.000 and the other 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.280 rate is just simply a consumer price index adjustment. 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.079 Right okay thank you. 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.679 And the next item is a excuse me is regarding Senate bill 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.239 1004. This is a new 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.539 law that the governor Abbott recently signed back in early 00:37:27.539 --> 00:37:28.360 June that that 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.829 will be that affects all cities within the state of Texas 00:37:32.829 --> 00:37:34.239 and what it is is is 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.690 basically allowing allowing the cellular industry to 00:37:37.690 --> 00:37:40.239 install radio antennas on 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.519 city right-of-way whether it be utility poles, traffic 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:46.880 signal poles, or 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:53.000 erect their own poles as needed within the community. The 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:54.679 issue is that the 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.429 cellular industry is indicating that they need additional 00:37:57.429 --> 00:37:58.199 coverage due to 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.699 public demand of their services, wireless services, and 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.599 they see this as as an 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:10.530 easier and and also cheaper opportunity in which to do so. 00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:11.679 So they were able to 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.530 get some legislation passed in the most recent legislative 00:38:15.530 --> 00:38:16.719 session and it goes 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.199 into effect September 1st. All cities around the state of 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.079 Texas are doing this 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.519 very same thing. So this information is just being 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.239 presented to you today. It's 00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.360 been presented to the was was presented to the Planning and 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:28.960 Zoning Commission 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.500 last week. It'll be also presented to the Historical Land 00:38:32.500 --> 00:38:33.360 mark Commission this 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.989 this evening as well with ultimately being presented to the 00:38:36.989 --> 00:38:38.079 City Council for 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.250 ordinance adoption on the 22nd of August. So we're ramping 00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:44.440 up internally as far as 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:48.670 our staff working with our engineering folks, the folks at 00:38:48.670 --> 00:38:50.360 DME, the folks in our 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.159 Public Works Department from an inspections perspective, 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:53.760 and so we 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:58.690 anticipate about 125 of these devices to be installed over 00:38:58.690 --> 00:38:59.440 the next six months 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.719 with potentially another 35 or so over the next three years 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:06.679 within Denton. Wow. 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.250 So in your packet there's a memorandum along with the 00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:11.639 presentation to kind of 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:16.380 give you an idea of what those what those those devices 00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:19.199 look like. There is 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:26.090 one of the issues that we have had is the fact that the the 00:39:26.090 --> 00:39:27.199 industry this other 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.630 industry is wanting to put these devices within the city's 00:39:30.630 --> 00:39:32.840 right-of-way at a very 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:38.800 inexpensive cost to them and so that is a little bit of a 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.199 level of consternation 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.599 amongst the cities. The the city of McAllen down in South 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.119 Texas is 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.260 potentially wanting to sue the state of Texas to to stop 00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:50.280 this piece of 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.460 legislation or at least to slow it down to assist us or 00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:55.400 assist cities and trying 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.300 to seek additional compensation. Some cities for the 00:39:58.300 --> 00:39:59.559 example city of Dallas, 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.039 city Arlington, and other cities around the state were 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.239 averaging around $2,500 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:11.920 per node or per cellular device and so they're at $250 per 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.000 cellular device. So 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.889 very different scale in far as compensation for the use of 00:40:16.889 --> 00:40:17.400 the city's 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.630 right-of-way. So that isn't a lawsuit that we're looking at 00:40:21.630 --> 00:40:23.000 or at least from 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.019 the standpoint of just visiting with the folks in McAllen 00:40:26.019 --> 00:40:27.079 and our city attorney's 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:31.380 offices involved with that. So it's still in the works but 00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:32.920 we are marching ahead 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:36.190 with implementing this this law for September 1st. We have 00:40:36.190 --> 00:40:36.800 to be ready 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:43.309 because the industries are coming. Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, 00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:44.800 they have been 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.449 talking to staff for the last number of weeks about this 00:40:47.449 --> 00:40:48.500 legislation so we're 00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:53.659 geared up for it and we'll be ready to go. Yes, Barbara. 00:40:53.659 --> 00:40:55.039 Are they going to be paying a fee 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.320 per installation for using the right-of-way? Yes ma'am. The 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:00.360 way the legislation 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.000 is written is the company when they make an application 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.719 they can they can they 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.150 can bundle these devices up to five per application so they 00:41:12.150 --> 00:41:13.400 'll be charged a 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:18.079 maximum of $500 per bundle and then each device above that 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.719 is $250. So but what 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.519 they're doing for example one company is looking at 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.920 potentially doing 55 units so 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.469 what they'll be doing is just submitting 11 sets of five at 00:41:30.469 --> 00:41:32.760 $500 a piece. Is this 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.429 just a one-time fee or is this per month? No ma'am or yes 00:41:36.429 --> 00:41:37.679 it's a one-time fee 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.530 initially for the permit and then there'll be a small 00:41:40.530 --> 00:41:41.840 rental charge that 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.349 they can that the cities can charge but it's all 00:41:44.349 --> 00:41:46.239 legislative and it's all it's 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.869 prescribed the maximum amount the city can charge. The 00:41:49.869 --> 00:41:50.719 other thing with the 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.090 with the legislation it sets up time clocks so once the 00:41:54.090 --> 00:41:55.679 application is made 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.079 by the industry then the city has to deem whether or not it 00:41:59.079 --> 00:41:59.960 's appropriately 00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:03.449 completed as far as the application process and once that 00:42:03.449 --> 00:42:04.440 happens then a 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.550 series of it then it's dictated by the amount of time the 00:42:08.550 --> 00:42:10.440 city can can issue the 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.900 permit. So it's very prescribed in the way it's done so it 00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:15.920 's heavily favored in 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:22.269 the in the telecom industry. Is there is there a policy I 00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:24.159 've I've been in another 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.440 city recently and I've seen on their water towers there are 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:29.800 numerous devices 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:34.730 like this is there is that a city policy we don't have any 00:42:34.730 --> 00:42:35.760 on ours how does that 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.329 happen? Typically in the cities that I've worked in there 00:42:39.329 --> 00:42:40.559 are policies and those 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.170 are leases that are that are negotiated on an individual 00:42:44.170 --> 00:42:45.300 basis not knowing what 00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:48.110 Denton has done in the past I can't speak to that but I 00:42:48.110 --> 00:42:49.019 know in the previous 00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:52.800 cities that I've worked for it's been on a case-by-case 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.039 basis and so a lot of 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.260 times some cities don't want any of those devices on those 00:42:57.260 --> 00:42:58.320 water towers just 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.280 for the structural integrity of them some cities see that 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:01.960 as a revenue 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:09.480 opportunity. I think Tim has a comment. We've had these 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.639 requests before and we have basically turned them down some 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:13.019 of it's a 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:16.110 security issue because you've got to start opening your 00:43:16.110 --> 00:43:17.019 facility up for 00:43:17.019 --> 00:43:20.000 mobile access so sometimes when you're doing a security 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.280 audit there's a little 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.719 concern of you know how many people can access these sites. 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.320 Right now the only 00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.409 thing that we have on our towers is dedicated microwave or 00:43:30.409 --> 00:43:31.960 licensed radio for 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.050 our own SCADA system so they're dedicated so I think if you 00:43:35.050 --> 00:43:35.599 drive around 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.559 the Metroplex you'll see some communities with probably an 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:40.239 excessive 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.920 proliferation I'll pick on a tower I drove by on Roanoke 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:46.480 where it looks more 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:52.349 like a communication tower than an elevator. But right now 00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:52.960 we don't have 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:59.519 right now we have none on any of our towers. Okay thank you 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.880 . Yes. How does the 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.610 the app was in an application fee and then a monthly fee I 00:44:06.610 --> 00:44:07.719 guess how does that 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.559 compare to other things that are co-located on on telephone 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:12.400 poles right 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:17.170 now? Like pole attachment? Yes. Yeah. As far as how it's 00:44:17.170 --> 00:44:18.960 done today. No just the price 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.610 comparison. Fees like our fee schedule yeah current fee 00:44:22.610 --> 00:44:24.400 schedule. I'd have to 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.599 find that out but but as far as but the fee schedule that 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:28.920 they're prescribed 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:33.869 here in in in the law it's pretty low. Right. But I'll have 00:44:33.869 --> 00:44:34.719 to find it. I don't 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.269 know. We can put something together that answers that what 00:44:37.269 --> 00:44:38.360 our other various fees 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.440 are for the pole attachments and give you some context. 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:47.989 And then in neighborhoods where we're trying to push we're 00:44:47.989 --> 00:44:50.239 spending money to 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.210 put electrical lines underground are they going to be 00:44:53.210 --> 00:44:54.440 allowed to come in and 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:58.840 put a pole in and put their device on if we're trying to 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:00.360 make it a wireless 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.449 neighborhood so to speak? Actually no there is some 00:45:03.449 --> 00:45:04.599 provisions when the law 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.159 that that does not allow them to install new poles within 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:09.079 their residential 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.289 subdivision or even in some of the parks they can attach it 00:45:12.289 --> 00:45:13.320 to existing poles 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.360 that are within residential areas but not add new ones just 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:18.239 to avoid the 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.809 visual clutter or some of the very things you described. So 00:45:20.809 --> 00:45:22.079 there are some 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.340 things that that that gives cities a little bit of leverage 00:45:25.340 --> 00:45:26.199 as far as where 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:30.630 they can and can't go but but it's again heavily favored in 00:45:30.630 --> 00:45:31.639 the in the industry's 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.110 favor. Well that's a good point because if we if we have a 00:45:36.110 --> 00:45:37.360 for instance we're 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.710 looking to take utilities underground where there is 00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:43.079 existing poles and there's 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.849 something attached to it then who does that just go away or 00:45:46.849 --> 00:45:47.400 do we have to 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.340 accommodate that and that's and that may be something we'll 00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:51.480 have to cross that 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.579 bridge when we get to it because I don't I don't know not 00:45:55.579 --> 00:45:56.599 having read the 00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.909 legislation and it may change out of the lawsuit there may 00:45:59.909 --> 00:46:01.119 be some compromises or 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.230 whatever as that comes along. And to that point if we know 00:46:06.230 --> 00:46:07.039 we might be going 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.260 underground in an area can we under the law say no you're 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.440 not gonna attach to 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:17.139 that pole at this point or? At this point I think it's I 00:46:17.139 --> 00:46:18.320 think the law is silent on 00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.309 that but we can we can check that and make that and let you 00:46:22.309 --> 00:46:23.440 know but again 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.789 it's yeah there are a lot of things with with there's more 00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:29.159 a lot more questions 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.840 that are being asked from city to city because this is a 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:33.840 very new thing and 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.690 just how prescribed it is by the state so before cities had 00:46:37.690 --> 00:46:38.880 a lot more leverage 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.030 as far as you could come into our communities based on 00:46:42.030 --> 00:46:43.199 certain fees that 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.719 you would pay but this is a one-size-fits-all for the city 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:48.920 of Texas. 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:55.280 And so we should see our cell phone bills come down right? 00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:55.320 Yeah right. 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.199 Okay any other we look forward to future updates on this 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.960 and where it's going but 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:14.059 nobody likes being restricted and being told what you got 00:47:14.059 --> 00:47:16.099 to do. Hopefully there 00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:22.059 will be some local control still maintained in this. Any 00:47:22.059 --> 00:47:24.239 other comments on 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:32.710 the new business action items? Can we get a review or 00:47:32.710 --> 00:47:36.599 report of our existing rooftop 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:41.699 solar installation? Not necessarily the commercial part 00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:43.559 although if there are 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.829 more than this one target one it'd be nice to know about 00:47:45.829 --> 00:47:46.280 them and 00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:50.349 specifically I'd like to know what rate we're buying that 00:47:50.349 --> 00:47:52.440 power back at. Have we 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.690 actually bought any power back and have we spent any money 00:47:55.690 --> 00:47:56.800 buying power back 00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:01.360 from those rooftops? I would also like us to review the 00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.559 ordinance that we seems 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:08.590 like we recently passed or proposed an ordinance that would 00:48:08.590 --> 00:48:10.119 change the rebate 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:16.079 structure and also it included something about battery 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:17.679 systems as well. I just 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.019 wanted to know see if we could review that since the light 00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:23.159 has changed a 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:28.619 little bit. Yeah I think this and it may be it may have 00:48:28.619 --> 00:48:31.079 been last year we was the 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:35.150 first time we had in our rate ordinance that the rebate 00:48:35.150 --> 00:48:37.239 there was two two rebate 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.630 levels one was without battery storage and one was with 00:48:40.630 --> 00:48:42.599 battery storage and I 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.880 think that's the way we still have it today but yeah that'd 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.119 be great. 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.480 And see if we may have limited what we could be doing in 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.440 that area for no 00:48:54.440 --> 00:49:02.920 apparent reason. Okay okay anything else we want to sell in 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:03.400 the new business 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:13.400 matrix? Okay all right completing items any future agenda 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.679 items that any any 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.739 board member would like to see? We've kind of gone through 00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:20.719 the new business 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:29.550 stuff so all this any any general comments? No? Well and I 00:49:29.550 --> 00:49:31.159 promised her I 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:36.110 wouldn't do it but I just can't help I want to this is the 00:49:36.110 --> 00:49:37.400 time of the meeting 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.000 that we can do things like this. I'm just want to thank 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.679 Barbara for your service 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:48.929 over the years and I don't know what you're gonna do every 00:49:48.929 --> 00:49:49.760 other Monday now 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.099 you're gonna have a lot of you know half a day I'm sure you 00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:54.159 'll find something to 00:49:54.159 --> 00:50:00.119 fill that time but thank you very much appreciate it. At 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.000 the same time I want to 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.840 recognize I noticed we have our newest member Deborah Arm 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:06.599 antars here she has 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.599 not been sworn in yet I guess that happened I'm sure that 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:10.079 'll happen within 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.639 the next two weeks so next meeting we'll see you up here 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.920 and look forward to it. 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:24.500 So with that is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second 00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:27.519 . All in favor say aye. Aye. Any 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.360 opposed? Same sign. Thank you.