1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,519 First item on our agenda is we have a work session to 2 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:08,679 receive report, hold a 3 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:12,640 discussion, and provide direction regarding the DMV 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,039 community sponsorship 5 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:20,000 program and I think Brian Langley is going to lead us on 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:20,480 that. 7 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:27,179 Good morning. Brian Langley, Deputy City Manager. I want to 8 00:00:27,179 --> 00:00:28,399 spend a few minutes with you today 9 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:31,510 talking about the community sponsorship program at DMV and 10 00:00:31,510 --> 00:00:32,399 try to get some 11 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:37,509 direction from the PEB of how you'd like us to proceed. So 12 00:00:37,509 --> 00:00:39,560 just in terms of 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,969 background DMV currently has approximately $100,000 budget 14 00:00:43,969 --> 00:00:44,320 ed for 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,549 sponsorships on an annual basis in the budget. These funds 16 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:49,640 are typically used 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,130 for nonprofit organizations and sometimes other City 18 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:53,039 Department events. 19 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:56,960 The purpose really has been to provide a similar process to 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,320 what is found in Iowa 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,869 use, investor operated utilities or owned utilities. And so 22 00:01:01,869 --> 00:01:03,119 over the past few years 23 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:08,079 DMV has spent between $42,000 to $64,000 annually on some 24 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:08,239 of the 25 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:11,670 sponsorships and in your backup I included a five-year 26 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:12,599 history of those 27 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:20,019 sponsorships by year. Other sponsorships for the city 28 00:01:20,019 --> 00:01:20,439 typically 29 00:01:20,439 --> 00:01:23,239 require City Council approval. So if you look at the agenda 30 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:24,120 , for example for 31 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,819 tomorrow's agenda for council, there are a couple of 32 00:01:26,819 --> 00:01:28,299 sponsorships for the 33 00:01:28,299 --> 00:01:30,650 Parks Department that's going forward to the City Council 34 00:01:30,650 --> 00:01:31,519 for approval and some 35 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:34,299 in-kind sponsorships and some types of things that they're 36 00:01:34,299 --> 00:01:35,159 going to be doing 37 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:38,640 for those events. These sponsorships also have an 38 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,120 application process. There's 39 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,750 some selection criteria and a formal agreement that's 40 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:43,840 entered into the city 41 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,799 and the other parties. DMV does not have any such formal 42 00:01:47,799 --> 00:01:49,159 process and only an 43 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:53,180 internal approval process has been used. Very informal how 44 00:01:53,180 --> 00:01:55,599 it's been done. So in 45 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:57,980 terms of the purpose of this meeting we're looking to get 46 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:58,920 some direction from 47 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,689 you on whether number one do you think this is a program 48 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:02,519 that should be 49 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:07,739 continued and if so we would like to present to you and the 50 00:02:07,739 --> 00:02:09,039 council proposed 51 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:11,860 application and approval process for future events so that 52 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:12,479 we can try to 53 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:15,919 formalize this. This could be done where it was you would 54 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,080 approve them on an 55 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,650 individual basis or you could approve all of them at one 56 00:02:20,650 --> 00:02:23,139 time potentially. So 57 00:02:23,139 --> 00:02:26,909 with that I'll be happy to answer any questions that you 58 00:02:26,909 --> 00:02:27,599 may have. 59 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,939 The rest of the money would go into the fund balance for DM 60 00:02:37,939 --> 00:02:40,360 V or could be used 61 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,680 for other purposes in the budget. 62 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,789 One of the slides earlier confused me. The DMV does not 63 00:02:49,789 --> 00:02:51,319 have an application 64 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:55,060 process so which ones do have an application process that 65 00:02:55,060 --> 00:02:55,919 you referenced 66 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,520 in one of the slides? The other departments that I've 67 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,120 mentioned to you 68 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,439 that we've seen they have a formal application process. The 69 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:03,400 one I'm most 70 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,819 familiar with is the hotel occupancy occupancy tax process 71 00:03:07,819 --> 00:03:08,560 so some of you may 72 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,379 be familiar with that process around the city but there's a 73 00:03:11,379 --> 00:03:12,120 formal set of 74 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,870 guidelines that are developed in an application process and 75 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:16,520 all of the 76 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,340 entities that want to receive those funds they submit an 77 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:20,319 application it goes 78 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:22,699 to a committee the committee tries to evaluate those and 79 00:03:22,699 --> 00:03:23,000 make a 80 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,439 recommendation of which ones to fund and all of that comes 81 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:27,639 as a slate to the City 82 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,360 Council to approve. If we were to develop something could 83 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,240 we have it part of the 84 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,530 budgeting process that next year here are the sponsorships 85 00:03:36,530 --> 00:03:37,520 that we're going 86 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,159 to have? I really didn't think any of these are 87 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:43,560 inappropriate I mean they're 88 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,840 giving back to the community so especially things like the 89 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:48,639 tree giveaway 90 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:51,319 well that helps shade your house so your house is more 91 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:52,520 energy efficient you know 92 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,919 we need to do those kinds of things so I'm in support of 93 00:03:56,919 --> 00:03:59,199 continuing this and if 94 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:03,780 we need some guidelines that's appropriate too. Okay well 95 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:04,120 we can 96 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,389 certainly make it as part of the budget process and the hot 97 00:04:06,389 --> 00:04:07,159 funds process that 98 00:04:07,159 --> 00:04:09,360 I was mentioning to you that's exactly how that works is 99 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,240 they come forward as 100 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,530 part of the budget process and the council approves them as 101 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:13,020 part of the 102 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:15,610 annual budget so if that's something the PB would like to 103 00:04:15,610 --> 00:04:16,399 see we could certainly 104 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,629 do it that way going forward. We just wanted to make sure 105 00:04:19,629 --> 00:04:20,399 that all of these 106 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,399 were known they were clearly visible both the PUP the City 107 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:24,120 Council and the 108 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,639 public. We've seen this before yeah these have come to the 109 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:29,800 public utility board 110 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,009 and from what I understand that a lot of these came by our 111 00:04:35,009 --> 00:04:36,040 genes of various 112 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,399 council members and perhaps the city managers and times 113 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:41,439 past so it hasn't 114 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,949 been a decision that's just been made by a little group at 115 00:04:44,949 --> 00:04:46,120 DME that it's come 116 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,050 sort of from the community and I think I think as others 117 00:04:51,050 --> 00:04:53,319 have a process there 118 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:56,620 should be a process but I'd like to see it continue if we 119 00:04:56,620 --> 00:04:57,800 didn't own our own 120 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,670 utilities and we had a vendor in for the utilities that's 121 00:05:01,670 --> 00:05:02,600 what they do I 122 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,879 understand CAHSER is quite heavily involved in some of the 123 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:07,720 same things we 124 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,189 are to a greater extent so I think it's a good program and 125 00:05:11,189 --> 00:05:12,459 I think the citizens 126 00:05:12,459 --> 00:05:20,139 deserve to be the benefit of these things. Yeah you know my 127 00:05:20,139 --> 00:05:20,879 comment would be 128 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:27,769 that we need to be as you know consistent across across how 129 00:05:27,769 --> 00:05:28,480 we do it in 130 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,319 the city but that you know being a municipally owned 131 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:35,319 utility there is 132 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:41,579 somewhat of a an obligation if you will that and I like 133 00:05:41,579 --> 00:05:44,079 Barbara I look down the 134 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:48,389 list and there's a lot of recognizable nonprofits on here 135 00:05:48,389 --> 00:05:49,399 that are very 136 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:54,480 deserving and I don't know that we want to get into every 137 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,360 application but in the 138 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,550 budget process it would be nice to have okay let's set out 139 00:06:00,550 --> 00:06:01,920 a criteria maybe 140 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,350 philosophically here's what we're going to support these 141 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:07,240 type of nonprofits it's 142 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,470 you know it's got to be a community-wide benefit or 143 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:12,079 something that benefits a 144 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:16,029 community and let's use that as you know kind of the 145 00:06:16,029 --> 00:06:17,839 guidelines going forward so 146 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,800 if y'all can come back with a recommendation on how that 147 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,399 process is 148 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:30,529 going to look through the budget process and you know if 149 00:06:30,529 --> 00:06:32,319 you're gonna 150 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:36,860 including because once you do this it's going to open it up 151 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:38,439 there's going to be 152 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:41,839 a lot of people want to apply for a grant or a nonprofit 153 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:42,800 believe me I 154 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:48,019 probably get three or four solicitations a week from from 155 00:06:48,019 --> 00:06:49,680 good causes that some 156 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,310 that you just have to okay here's what the dollars are let 157 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:54,560 's let's allocate 158 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,110 that and let's let's go let's plan it going forward because 159 00:06:59,110 --> 00:07:01,160 a lot of the a lot 160 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,490 of these nonprofits are going to want to plan much farther 161 00:07:05,490 --> 00:07:07,680 ahead than just week 162 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,759 to week or month to month they want to know they want to be 163 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:12,399 able to budget you 164 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:17,120 know what's coming so any other comments on that now I'm in 165 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,040 a total agreement I 166 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,899 want to keep this program as much as possible and you know 167 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:23,319 try to be as 168 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:26,269 generous as possible to to a lot of these organizations I 169 00:07:26,269 --> 00:07:27,160 saw there were a 170 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:33,129 couple that were not included in this year's budget I guess 171 00:07:33,129 --> 00:07:34,240 and I had some 172 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,920 questions about that in particular like the Denton Public 173 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,199 Library and there were 174 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:41,769 a couple of others that I was kind of questioning why we 175 00:07:41,769 --> 00:07:42,839 weren't doing those 176 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,189 this year since we had in years past because I felt like 177 00:07:45,189 --> 00:07:46,000 they were really 178 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,420 good organizations to promote and to keep on board so but 179 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:51,800 having a criteria 180 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,769 across the board so that no one ever accuses us of you know 181 00:07:55,769 --> 00:07:57,199 playing favorites 182 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:59,949 or you know favoritism or anything like that I definitely 183 00:07:59,949 --> 00:08:00,800 want to see that 184 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,759 happen okay one of the things that I particularly like is 185 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:06,579 the things that 186 00:08:06,579 --> 00:08:10,550 they have like the lineman rodeo and some things that the 187 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:11,839 staff the people 188 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:15,300 that do the work for us every day I think that's good for 189 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:17,160 morale to have have 190 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,560 that and I'd like to see that stay and the lineman's rodeo 191 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,519 that helps our 192 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:25,800 lineman be better and work safer in an outage so it it's an 193 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,360 important thing for 194 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,299 us to be supporting them in absolutely well if I if I've 195 00:08:32,299 --> 00:08:33,159 got your direction 196 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,450 down then I'll bring back some some guidelines and 197 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:36,679 application process for 198 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,169 you I did want to mention that on tomorrow's council agenda 199 00:08:39,169 --> 00:08:39,679 we have the 200 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,259 same work session to try to get their feedback and we'll 201 00:08:42,259 --> 00:08:43,340 bring something back 202 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:47,350 based on your feedback in there to you okay okay thank you 203 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:47,879 so much for your 204 00:08:47,879 --> 00:08:56,710 time thanks okay continuing now with the regular meeting we 205 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:57,559 have the consent 206 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:04,289 agenda we have two items on consent a and B years any any 207 00:09:04,289 --> 00:09:05,559 member who would 208 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,750 like to have either of those pull for individual 209 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:14,679 consideration be Brendan 210 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:26,860 request item BB pool be be pulled okay any others no okay 211 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:27,639 then is there a 212 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:36,440 motion then to approve item a on the consent agenda motion 213 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,600 second Barbara and 214 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:46,019 a second Susan any discussion all in favor say aye any 215 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:48,679 opposed same sign okay 216 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,120 item number B Brendan I just kind of wanted a general 217 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,500 overview of what the 218 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,919 plan was what the project was I read through some of the 219 00:09:58,919 --> 00:09:59,799 detailed information 220 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:04,370 that was provided but I just thought maybe general 221 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:11,279 explanation of it I do 222 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,570 have a very brief presentation if if you want me to go 223 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:16,399 through that otherwise I 224 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:25,220 I can just answer questions on that so the item that's 225 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:27,919 before you is an 226 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:31,669 interconnection agreement and with target this is actually 227 00:10:31,669 --> 00:10:32,399 the retail 228 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:36,929 facility not the storage facility so this is on the retail 229 00:10:36,929 --> 00:10:37,840 facility on the 230 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,720 loop so I can quickly go over this distributed generation 231 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,399 interconnection 232 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:45,529 process and the agreement with target our recommendation 233 00:10:45,529 --> 00:10:46,639 and sort of the steps 234 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:48,950 and then if you have any questions that I don't answer in 235 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:50,879 this please just shout 236 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:56,879 them out in the process and typically when we have and 237 00:10:56,879 --> 00:10:57,960 distributed generation 238 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,629 interconnections come to us they're small systems these are 239 00:11:00,629 --> 00:11:01,639 the solar systems 240 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:04,480 that people are installing on their homes they're usually 241 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,320 ranging in size 242 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,200 from about four or five KW to maybe ten target system is to 243 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:11,840 put that in 244 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,769 perspective is 660 KW so it's a very large installation and 245 00:11:16,769 --> 00:11:17,159 we wanted to 246 00:11:17,159 --> 00:11:20,320 bring that forward to the pub one to make you aware of that 247 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,279 - this is going to 248 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:24,740 be part of our ongoing effort to make sure you guys are 249 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:25,759 aware of these 250 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:29,330 installations that are going on and make sure that you're 251 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:30,480 on the process that 252 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,889 we're going to be used so for this one in particular we 253 00:11:32,889 --> 00:11:33,840 wanted to make sure 254 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,250 that you guys were aware these these agreements are 255 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:37,759 typically executed by DME 256 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:40,889 staff we're going to change the process a little bit and 257 00:11:40,889 --> 00:11:42,159 this this one was the 258 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:44,360 first one up we thought this was a good one to bring 259 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,440 forward to you and so when 260 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,000 someone applies for interconnection it's simply a process 261 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:49,720 by which they go 262 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,240 through our engineering department they go through building 263 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,399 inspections and we 264 00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:57,549 make sure that their systems are safe to interconnect with 265 00:11:57,549 --> 00:11:59,759 our grid and for this 266 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:03,679 particular system we were required by the PUC to do an 267 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,679 inter pre interconnection 268 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,210 study and that's been finalized and basically what that 269 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:09,399 said was it's safe 270 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:12,899 their system design is safe and can interconnect and Brent 271 00:12:12,899 --> 00:12:13,720 maybe I don't 272 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,059 know if you might be able to add anything on that I can't 273 00:12:16,059 --> 00:12:16,679 speak to the 274 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,139 engineering side I apologize but and we did get the results 275 00:12:20,139 --> 00:12:21,440 from that study and 276 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,950 it came back and they're good to go so they're going to be 277 00:12:23,950 --> 00:12:24,879 applying for their 278 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,799 building permit probably this week if they haven't already 279 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:29,639 and so the target 280 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:32,570 system it will be the largest PV system within our service 281 00:12:32,570 --> 00:12:34,240 territory like I said 282 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:40,720 it's 660 KW rooftop solar panels going in and for them the 283 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:41,519 permitting process 284 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,769 can't begin without the executed agreement and that's they 285 00:12:44,769 --> 00:12:45,559 actually can 286 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,580 begin they won't be approved in the process until they have 287 00:12:48,580 --> 00:12:49,320 the executed 288 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,029 interconnection agreement and so we recommend approval of 289 00:12:54,029 --> 00:12:54,519 this this 290 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:58,809 agreement I'll add doesn't obligate the city to purchase 291 00:12:58,809 --> 00:13:00,559 any energy produced by 292 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,129 the system will actually be coming back to you with a 293 00:13:03,129 --> 00:13:04,399 separate agreement and for 294 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:08,840 that in the future so you have any questions beyond that 295 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,759 sure I just wanted 296 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:18,210 to know is this a trend that we're seeing this is our 297 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:20,159 second large 298 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:26,120 commercial installation so I would be hesitant to call it a 299 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,480 trend right in 300 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,320 general and the price of solar panels has come down 301 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,100 drastically so the value 302 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:35,120 that it's creating for customers is growing and so I 303 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,519 definitely think that 304 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:39,080 will continue to see commercial installations of larger 305 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:39,840 scale maybe not 306 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,519 this size although it wouldn't surprise me if we saw 307 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:44,159 another retail facility 308 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:47,960 that was a similar scale to a target a big-box store moving 309 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,559 forward with this 310 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:54,519 type of installation in the future you mentioned that we'll 311 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:55,639 get another 312 00:13:55,639 --> 00:14:00,769 presentation regarding any purchase purchases of their 313 00:14:00,769 --> 00:14:01,879 power yes so 314 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,389 typically on the smaller systems we have a rate that 315 00:14:05,389 --> 00:14:07,039 applies for the credits that 316 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:11,129 are generated if this system pushes back any energy DME 317 00:14:11,129 --> 00:14:13,159 buys it and the 318 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,139 particular terms of the interconnection agreement require 319 00:14:16,139 --> 00:14:17,240 any system that's over 320 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,809 50 KW to have a separate agreement the reason being is that 321 00:14:20,809 --> 00:14:21,480 it works a little 322 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,799 bit different the rate can it can really be impacted by 323 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:27,120 someone intentionally 324 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,629 over sizing their system to generate a lot so we have to 325 00:14:29,629 --> 00:14:30,639 take a closer look at 326 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,889 that but we're gonna come back with that just out of 327 00:14:33,889 --> 00:14:36,279 curiosity do we allow them 328 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:39,879 to negotiate that right or do we just say right and this is 329 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:40,960 how we talk with 330 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,179 them about that and so for but for residential customers it 331 00:14:44,179 --> 00:14:45,240 's just no it's 332 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,889 that in there in the rate book yes sir but there is a 333 00:14:47,889 --> 00:14:49,000 reimbursement or a 334 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,789 purchase we purchase some power from residents yes as well 335 00:14:52,789 --> 00:14:54,000 yes okay thank you 336 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,519 I guess it's probably hard to make an estimate of what how 337 00:14:58,519 --> 00:14:59,879 much of the power 338 00:14:59,879 --> 00:15:05,840 out of this that we would actually be able to purchase 339 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,799 until you really get 340 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:13,679 into you know what what their usage is and all that but as 341 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:16,200 a comparison 60 342 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,809 kilowatts I mean for instance what's the methane that we 343 00:15:19,809 --> 00:15:21,240 get off of methane out 344 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:30,610 of the landfill that generates is that about 60 okay how 345 00:15:30,610 --> 00:15:31,559 does that transfer to 346 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:41,080 60 okay okay so 1500 even though it's large it's relatively 347 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,120 I guess small 348 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,049 because in the grand scheme of things but you know I'm like 349 00:15:48,049 --> 00:15:49,759 Lily I like the I 350 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:53,710 like the trend and it's and I don't know that you could you 351 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:55,000 could get enough 352 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:00,960 rooftops in the city you know maybe we could use this as a 353 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,440 model or whatever 354 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,759 but if we're looking for solar power to purchase you know 355 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:09,519 if we I just want to 356 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:14,200 make sure that we're through our Emo I know we're buying 357 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,879 bigger contracts of 358 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:19,169 solar but at the same time if we can have some piece of 359 00:16:19,169 --> 00:16:20,759 that solar power that 360 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:24,940 we're doing that are rooftops of some of the large 361 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:27,399 buildings around town I think 362 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:31,860 that'd be a great thing to pursue you know like I say it 363 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:34,080 may not be it may not 364 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,649 be in the grand scheme of things a large piece of it but at 365 00:16:36,649 --> 00:16:37,840 least it's some piece 366 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,570 of it and it's it's something that benefits our our 367 00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:44,000 customers as well as it 368 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,590 it adds more into our renewable portfolio that's that's 369 00:16:48,590 --> 00:16:50,320 kind of generated 370 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,250 here at home so I like I like I like this type of deal we 371 00:16:55,250 --> 00:16:57,120 should use this to 372 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,350 go out and you know maybe we should encourage more we agree 373 00:17:02,350 --> 00:17:02,480 we're very proud 374 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,420 to have this system installed I think I'm noticing a lot 375 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:07,880 more rooftops with 376 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,250 solar panels on them now as I drive around seems like just 377 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:11,880 the last few 378 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,839 weeks there's been yes ma'am we've had a significant 379 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:16,759 increase in the number of 380 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:19,000 applications we've received in the last few years and we're 381 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:19,799 very excited about 382 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:23,220 that it'd be interesting to see the statistics of how it's 383 00:17:23,220 --> 00:17:24,720 increasing sure I 384 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:30,180 don't is it in maybe nope not in this one but I can 385 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:31,319 certainly bring that bring 386 00:17:31,319 --> 00:17:33,839 that back and we have that in another presentation I'll 387 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:35,319 believe later today at 388 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:38,359 committee on the environment so can help me to share that 389 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,200 with you guys and with 390 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,400 Tesla announcing their new solar roof I think we're gonna 391 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,920 see a lot more of that 392 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,789 yes we've had we've seen interest in that particular 393 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:54,720 product already okay any 394 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,640 other I was just gonna move for approval okay so we have a 395 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,160 motion to approve and 396 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:06,259 a second to recommend adopting an ordinance to execute the 397 00:18:06,259 --> 00:18:08,319 interconnection 398 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:12,660 and parallel operation distributed generation with target 399 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:13,680 and keep in mind 400 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,660 this is only for that does not include any any purchase but 401 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:20,319 just the ability to 402 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:25,720 connect and to install it so motion is second any 403 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,440 discussion the other 404 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:33,400 discussion hearing none all in favor say aye any opposed 405 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,160 same sign okay thank you 406 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:44,119 very good okay items for individual consideration we have 407 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,839 the public utility 408 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:52,220 board minutes of July 24th 2017 these have been distributed 409 00:18:52,220 --> 00:18:54,000 in advance any 410 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:05,119 corrections comments to these no hearing none then these 411 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,039 will stand approved as 412 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:14,160 submitted item number B is to receive report hold a 413 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,119 discussion and provide 414 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:23,079 recommendation regarding compressed natural gas fueling 415 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,559 facility good 416 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:31,109 morning I wanted to bring an update to the board we have 417 00:19:31,109 --> 00:19:32,480 been discussing the 418 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,799 issue of the compressed natural gas fueling facility and 419 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,200 the Associated 420 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,140 Fleet out at a solid waste that has come before you on the 421 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,440 24th of July we took 422 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,259 the same presentation to the council on July 25th and had a 423 00:19:50,259 --> 00:19:51,519 fairly lengthy 424 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:54,880 discussion on the various options that were available 425 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,680 council recommended that 426 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,609 we pursue the compressed natural gas station for city of 427 00:20:01,609 --> 00:20:03,000 didn't use only 428 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,769 option which was option three on the performance that we 429 00:20:06,769 --> 00:20:08,200 shared with you last 430 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,769 time but they did request staff to first search for 431 00:20:11,769 --> 00:20:14,440 existing CNG stations if 432 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,730 those happen to be around here in the city of Denton and so 433 00:20:18,730 --> 00:20:20,440 the closest 434 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,980 existing station that we can find is in grapevine Irving 435 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:27,480 area it's about a 40 436 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,890 mile round trip we did through our research find that there 437 00:20:31,890 --> 00:20:33,279 was a possibility 438 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:36,680 of a Denton compressed natural gas station that would offer 439 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,519 retail sales 440 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:42,839 off of I 35 this is just in the formative stages right now 441 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:43,980 but we 442 00:20:43,980 --> 00:20:47,460 thought that there was enough interest in that from our 443 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:48,680 perspective to at 444 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,160 least run some numbers on and see what that might look like 445 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,400 for our particular 446 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,950 fleet keeping in mind that we've got 24 vehicles and those 447 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:00,519 vehicles are not 448 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,750 known for their exceptional mileage and as a result running 449 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:06,079 the numbers on those 450 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:12,180 on a 20 mile round trip per vehicle on a daily basis 451 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:14,880 putting in the staff time 452 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,519 associated with that the depreciation of the vehicles 453 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:19,880 themselves from the extra 454 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,589 mileage ultimately ends up in about a 3.2 million dollar 455 00:21:23,589 --> 00:21:25,400 price tag before we 456 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:31,279 are able to age the CNG fleet out so that we felt that that 457 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:32,079 option is 458 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:35,920 obviously more expensive than the option that we have on 459 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,880 looking at the ability 460 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,619 to construct a compressed natural gas station for didn't 461 00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:41,599 use at the existing 462 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,660 renewable fuels island it also has some additional 463 00:21:45,660 --> 00:21:47,920 uncertainties associated with 464 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,720 it and some risk one we don't know what this process 465 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,039 project is even going to 466 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:56,190 occur we do not know at this point what that fuel island 467 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:58,160 would look like how 468 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,440 many available fill-up opportunities there are on a per 469 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,440 vehicle basis we 470 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,640 would be in competition for it with anyone else that would 471 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,559 actually be out 472 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:14,519 there doing the fueling as well we did a staff time on that 473 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:16,720 of a about 30-minute 474 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,329 transit I think that's highly optimistic especially going 475 00:22:21,329 --> 00:22:22,640 down I 35 476 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,730 with that number of vehicles and and with the uncertainties 477 00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:27,759 associated with 478 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:32,690 the number of pumps that would be available so we chose to 479 00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:33,960 not modify our 480 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,799 recommendation based on this just due to those uncertain 481 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:39,359 ties and also due to the 482 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,119 overall cost so we had talked with y'all last time and kind 483 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,160 of circle around this 484 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,140 idea of the retail sales versus city of Denton use only we 485 00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:53,440 had talked about the 486 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,039 last time about the complications associated with retail 487 00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:57,960 sales and I guess 488 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,089 the only thing I'd like to add on top of that is that we at 489 00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:03,480 this point at least 490 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,440 have some indication that we might have a retail competitor 491 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,680 that would be much 492 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,970 more favorably located and would be able to sell the fuel 493 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:13,240 at a lower price than 494 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,029 us that that to me means even less support from my 495 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:18,960 perspective on the idea 496 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,690 of having public retail sales for this fuel island so we 497 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:25,240 are at this point 498 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,900 recommending going forward with the city of Denton use only 499 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:30,000 at the renewable 500 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,900 fuels island we've talked in some detail last time about 501 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:34,000 what this looks like 502 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,089 from a monetary standpoint and basically we're looking at 503 00:23:39,089 --> 00:23:40,680 about a one point one 504 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,279 three million dollar total investment that would allow us 505 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:46,640 to basically age the 506 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,279 fleet out and would also provide us some flexibility to 507 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:51,440 keep the options 508 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,720 available if C&G turns around or we make some other 509 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,400 decisions but right now that 510 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:04,279 is what staff is is recommending and I'd be happy to take 511 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:05,880 any additional 512 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,160 questions that you might have we'd like to get a formal 513 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,799 recommendation from the 514 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:15,160 board and if you're in support of this and then take that 515 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:15,839 back to the City 516 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,869 Council at the next opportunity so I'd be happy to answer 517 00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:21,880 any questions I'm 518 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,200 sorry Brendan so the the fuel where so the fueling station 519 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,039 would be where the 520 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,079 landfill entrance is that's correct one is already that's 521 00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:32,799 correct and so is this 522 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,930 I'm sorry I just have kind of a limited understanding of 523 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:37,119 this is this is this 524 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,019 fuel piped to a source or does somebody bring it and fill 525 00:24:41,019 --> 00:24:42,559 up a tank that resides 526 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,750 right now we have a mobile fueling option but then the 527 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:47,799 future in the future 528 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:52,400 what we will have is a there is a connection point that we 529 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,559 can actually 530 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:59,869 access at 1001 Mayhill which is just down the road in fact 531 00:24:59,869 --> 00:25:00,720 if you drive down 532 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,259 Mayhill you'll see two buildings sitting there and there's 533 00:25:04,259 --> 00:25:05,680 some yellow bollards 534 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,730 that exist around a gas distribution point what we would do 535 00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:11,720 is we would 536 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,980 basically locate the meter there and then there would be a 537 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:16,039 line extended to 538 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:19,569 the fueling station where there would be a all of the 539 00:25:19,569 --> 00:25:21,519 apparatus necessary to fuel 540 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:24,980 the trucks so it would be coming out of a line and not 541 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:26,200 being delivered at that 542 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,819 whose line is that it is an atmosphere line okay right so 543 00:25:31,819 --> 00:25:33,640 we discussed last 544 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,970 time the environmental differences between compressed 545 00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:40,279 natural gas right and 546 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:47,700 diesel and it seemed like you know diesel the diesel was 547 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,880 favored towards low 548 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:55,759 ozone causing emissions is that correct the the the b20 549 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:57,640 blend that we use will 550 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,809 produce slightly more nitrogen oxides than the compressed 551 00:26:01,809 --> 00:26:03,200 natural gas will so 552 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:09,160 from an ozone standpoint it is just slightly worse from a 553 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,480 green greenhouse 554 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,410 gas standpoint though it is much better okay so that's that 555 00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:16,599 's the the difference 556 00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:21,799 between the two so the compressed natural gas then is more 557 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:22,680 harmful from the 558 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,319 perspective of greenhouse gases is that what you're saying 559 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:26,680 that that's correct so is 560 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,490 there anything that we can do that can make sure that we 561 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:32,880 don't you know that 562 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,089 our trucks are burning it properly that we're handling it 563 00:26:36,089 --> 00:26:37,359 properly at the point 564 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,819 and is there anything we can do to put pressure on the 565 00:26:39,819 --> 00:26:40,799 atmosphere to make sure 566 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,279 that they're handling it properly I don't know if we can 567 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,460 put pressure on 568 00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:51,119 atmosphere I think that there is certainly a an improvement 569 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,079 in having a 570 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,470 fixed fueling versus a mobile option just from the 571 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:58,559 standpoint of connections 572 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:03,220 and disconnects and the way the fuels handled etc so there 573 00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:05,359 's a I would I would 574 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,920 say from the standpoint of where we are today with the 575 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,720 mobile fueling platform 576 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,880 versus the the platform that we're putting in place we'll 577 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,000 have less leak 578 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,380 loss we'll have a better opportunity to top off the the 579 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:20,759 truck so we can get the 580 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,740 best mileage out of them possible so there's some there's 581 00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:24,640 some ancillary 582 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,759 benefits from a operational standpoint as well as things 583 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,200 like leak loss that 584 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,339 will be improved by having a fixed station so and in 585 00:27:34,339 --> 00:27:36,000 emission control 586 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,279 technologies are constantly evolving as well and so that I 587 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:41,559 expect that as we 588 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,920 move into the future there's possibilities to see that on 589 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,440 both the 590 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:51,680 biodiesel and CNG platforms sure and so how much longer 591 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,920 will it take before our 592 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:59,200 CNG trucks are you know phased out the the trucks 593 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,920 themselves keeping in mind 594 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,839 that the majority of them have been fairly recent purchases 595 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:05,599 we're probably 596 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:11,480 looking at a five to seven year age out on those and so it 597 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,319 will if you look at 598 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,460 the at the pro forma that we put together for them for the 599 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:18,599 retail option 600 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,609 that we just discussed where we're seeing a pretty 601 00:28:21,609 --> 00:28:22,960 substantial drop off 602 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,279 about year five and then we've got a couple of vehicles 603 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,119 that we feel would 604 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,279 probably last another two years so we think by the time we 605 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:30,240 get to about year 606 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,990 seven from now we'll be through that that fleet and age 607 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:36,359 them out. Okay and how 608 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,599 long will the CNG set up last I mean what's the lifetime on 609 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:42,839 that? 610 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:47,769 I would think that from I don't know an exact answer on 611 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:49,119 that but you're 612 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:53,470 looking at decades at least for the line and then the 613 00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:56,000 actual equipment itself I 614 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,420 don't know Nick if you've got a sense of that but I would I 615 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:01,920 would expect just on 616 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,119 a retail pump basis it lasts at least 10 to 15 years so 617 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,559 yeah I'm getting a nod so 618 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:12,259 that yeah. And then one final question is is there any way 619 00:29:12,259 --> 00:29:13,640 that that once we 620 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,039 finished out with a CNG that it can be converted into a 621 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,519 different type of line? 622 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:26,400 I would think probably not just simply because of the 623 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:26,880 construction 624 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,980 for it but keep in mind that that's a full-service fueling 625 00:29:29,980 --> 00:29:31,039 facility already 626 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:35,210 and so we have options of E85 gasoline and biodiesel there 627 00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:37,119 already on site so 628 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,529 the fueling station itself would certainly still be usable 629 00:29:41,529 --> 00:29:42,319 and it would 630 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:46,890 really depend if we have any additional equipment or make 631 00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:48,480 some other decision in 632 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,329 the future as to whether we would use that compressed 633 00:29:52,329 --> 00:29:54,079 natural gas component. 634 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,140 I've got a question about can you go back to the pro-former 635 00:29:59,140 --> 00:30:05,480 chart yeah yes okay 636 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:11,829 so so really the difference in the public sales is a $600, 637 00:30:11,829 --> 00:30:13,279 000 grant from 638 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:17,809 TCEQ yes you're basically looking at the differential 639 00:30:17,809 --> 00:30:20,079 between the money that we 640 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:23,880 would have to pay back which is $201,000 and the additional 641 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,599 money that remains 642 00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:28,299 which is $398,000 there's a slight differential in the 643 00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:29,839 franchise fee not 644 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:36,200 much. But I don't see any operation as any O&M expense 645 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,319 associated with the 646 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:42,089 public sales there would be some of that absolutely yes 647 00:30:42,089 --> 00:30:43,519 absolutely so that 648 00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:46,680 difference could be that kind of looks like the only 649 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680 difference is we've got to 650 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,680 send a check back to TCEQ and that's the only difference it 651 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,599 's really more than 652 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:58,009 that because there's going to be some O&M cost to that as 653 00:30:58,009 --> 00:30:59,960 well. That's correct we 654 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,079 we it's a little bit difficult having not been in the 655 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:04,640 retail fuel business to 656 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,690 put a put a number to that. We certainly anticipate that 657 00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:09,799 there'll be some 658 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,799 administrative components associated with the cash handling 659 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:13,519 side of it even 660 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:18,789 though these are card reading pumps but the the other thing 661 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:20,039 that we're a little 662 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,009 bit concerned with as well is just the security of the 663 00:31:23,009 --> 00:31:25,119 facility. We feel at 664 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:29,069 minimum we're going to need cameras we're going to perhaps 665 00:31:29,069 --> 00:31:31,200 have the the need to 666 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,309 restrict access at certain times and so we we don't have a 667 00:31:35,309 --> 00:31:36,839 sense of what those 668 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,269 expenses might look like but I would completely agree with 669 00:31:40,269 --> 00:31:41,519 you that gap is is 670 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,089 probably much smaller in reality once you take those into 671 00:31:45,089 --> 00:31:47,319 consideration. You 672 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:53,559 know it seems like if we're if we pull the trigger on the 673 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:54,480 construction of the 674 00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,809 fueling the CNG fueling station that we're committed to 675 00:32:00,809 --> 00:32:02,920 using compressed 676 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,759 natural gas in our fleet won't we since it's a 20-year 677 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,720 asset and we're I mean 678 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,369 it's I would not say it's going to be stranded cost if we 679 00:32:13,369 --> 00:32:14,279 don't. It will be it 680 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:18,380 will be a stranded cost that is correct. If we choose to 681 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:21,440 not have the additional 682 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,920 fleet added then certainly that will be a stranded cost. I 683 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,319 would totally agree 684 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,079 it's a stranded cost I think the way I would probably 685 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:30,880 encourage you to look at 686 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,779 this though is there's probably about a two-year ROI. We're 687 00:32:34,779 --> 00:32:35,799 bleeding you know 688 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,940 forty to sixty thousand dollars a month on this decision so 689 00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:40,759 if we've got five to 690 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,170 seven years left of the fleet you've probably recouped this 691 00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:44,319 investment in a 692 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,640 couple of years. Based upon our what we're paying now. 693 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,559 Based upon what we're losing 694 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:54,009 right now. Correct. And who knows what will happen in seven 695 00:32:54,009 --> 00:32:54,960 years maybe it'll be a 696 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:03,789 great idea again. You don't know. Possibility. Okay any 697 00:33:03,789 --> 00:33:06,440 other questions? No. 698 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,880 I had one thing Mr. Carroll last time asked about what the 699 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,559 mobile options look 700 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,839 like and so this is what the the actual truck is for doing 701 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:19,039 the the mobile 702 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:24,910 option. So the front part is a about 700 gallons worth of 703 00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:26,559 tanks. The back part 704 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:31,490 with the C&G on it is a actually a mobile compressing unit 705 00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:32,119 that allows the 706 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,539 filling of multiple trucks on a on a rapid basis. So this 707 00:33:36,539 --> 00:33:38,079 is this is an example 708 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,259 of what's coming out to our side. These things are are very 709 00:33:42,259 --> 00:33:43,680 expensive and they 710 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,910 also have limited fill capability due to the connections 711 00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:49,440 that that they require 712 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,750 and so we we chose not to pursue this just from a monetary 713 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:53,839 and operational 714 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:59,799 standpoint. One more question. Sure. I'm sorry on the we 715 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,319 comparing the cost of 716 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:09,719 the actual trucks with compressed natural gas versus diesel 717 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,480 is there a 718 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:17,050 difference between the cost of the of the vehicles to use 719 00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:19,039 biodiesel versus 720 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:23,070 what I'd call regular diesel because that's what we're 721 00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:24,480 picking up the the 722 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,800 biodiesel is we're picking up the 723 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:37,039 not the greenhouse gas but the nitrogen oxide savings I 724 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:37,519 guess if you 725 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:41,010 will reduction in that so is there a difference in the cost 726 00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:41,679 there? I don't 727 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,719 I don't believe those platforms are different and I'm 728 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,000 getting another nod 729 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,610 suggesting that was a good guess. Okay. So okay any other 730 00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:56,559 questions? None. Is there 731 00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:02,099 a motion then to make a recommendation regarding the CNG 732 00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:04,320 fueling facility? 733 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:09,599 I'll move approval. A motion from Susan and a second from 734 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,440 Barbara. Any other 735 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:17,400 discussion? It's kind of odd that we've ended up in a 736 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,400 situation like this and so it's I'm 737 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,440 reluctant to vote for it as reluctant as we were to even 738 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,840 motion for approval on 739 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,860 it but it seems like it's the best step forward and in the 740 00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:28,960 tight spot that we're 741 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,920 in. I think the the reality is we have the best way to 742 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,440 recover what our 743 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:43,469 stranded cost is going to be at this point. I agree with 744 00:35:43,469 --> 00:35:46,679 Brandon. Okay I'll 745 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:51,610 call the vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed same 746 00:35:51,610 --> 00:35:53,639 sign. Thank you. Thanks 747 00:35:53,639 --> 00:36:06,760 Kenny. Thank you. Okay item C is ACM update. Mr. Chairman I 748 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,159 believe there is a 749 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:13,579 slight modification on the water or water fee ordinances. I 750 00:36:13,579 --> 00:36:14,559 don't know if it 751 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:19,400 was Chuck or Kenny that's going to be presenting that. 752 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:28,159 These two items are adjusted by either a consumer price 753 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:32,039 index or as a percentage 754 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:38,719 of the Dallas water rate and so they are basically a at the 755 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,360 time that the 756 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,320 information was presented to the board we did not have that 757 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,599 information in hand. 758 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,099 This is typically brought to you all around this time of 759 00:36:48,099 --> 00:36:49,400 the year to just let 760 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,480 you know what we had put in the actual rate books and so 761 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,679 the rate books that 762 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:58,409 have gone forward to counsel for their evaluation have 763 00:36:58,409 --> 00:37:00,239 these corrected numbers 764 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:08,039 in them. So this is a set 85% of Dallas. That's correct yes 765 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:09,000 and the other 766 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,280 rate is just simply a consumer price index adjustment. 767 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,079 Right okay thank you. 768 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:20,679 And the next item is a excuse me is regarding Senate bill 769 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,239 1004. This is a new 770 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,539 law that the governor Abbott recently signed back in early 771 00:37:27,539 --> 00:37:28,360 June that that 772 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,829 will be that affects all cities within the state of Texas 773 00:37:32,829 --> 00:37:34,239 and what it is is is 774 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,690 basically allowing allowing the cellular industry to 775 00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:40,239 install radio antennas on 776 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,519 city right-of-way whether it be utility poles, traffic 777 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:46,880 signal poles, or 778 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:53,000 erect their own poles as needed within the community. The 779 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,679 issue is that the 780 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,429 cellular industry is indicating that they need additional 781 00:37:57,429 --> 00:37:58,199 coverage due to 782 00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:02,699 public demand of their services, wireless services, and 783 00:38:02,699 --> 00:38:05,599 they see this as as an 784 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,530 easier and and also cheaper opportunity in which to do so. 785 00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:11,679 So they were able to 786 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:15,530 get some legislation passed in the most recent legislative 787 00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:16,719 session and it goes 788 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,199 into effect September 1st. All cities around the state of 789 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:20,079 Texas are doing this 790 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,519 very same thing. So this information is just being 791 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,239 presented to you today. It's 792 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,360 been presented to the was was presented to the Planning and 793 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,960 Zoning Commission 794 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,500 last week. It'll be also presented to the Historical Land 795 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:33,360 mark Commission this 796 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,989 this evening as well with ultimately being presented to the 797 00:38:36,989 --> 00:38:38,079 City Council for 798 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,250 ordinance adoption on the 22nd of August. So we're ramping 799 00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:44,440 up internally as far as 800 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,670 our staff working with our engineering folks, the folks at 801 00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:50,360 DME, the folks in our 802 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,159 Public Works Department from an inspections perspective, 803 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:53,760 and so we 804 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,690 anticipate about 125 of these devices to be installed over 805 00:38:58,690 --> 00:38:59,440 the next six months 806 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,719 with potentially another 35 or so over the next three years 807 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,679 within Denton. Wow. 808 00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:10,250 So in your packet there's a memorandum along with the 809 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:11,639 presentation to kind of 810 00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:16,380 give you an idea of what those what those those devices 811 00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:19,199 look like. There is 812 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:26,090 one of the issues that we have had is the fact that the the 813 00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:27,199 industry this other 814 00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,630 industry is wanting to put these devices within the city's 815 00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:32,840 right-of-way at a very 816 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,800 inexpensive cost to them and so that is a little bit of a 817 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,199 level of consternation 818 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,599 amongst the cities. The the city of McAllen down in South 819 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,119 Texas is 820 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,260 potentially wanting to sue the state of Texas to to stop 821 00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:50,280 this piece of 822 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,460 legislation or at least to slow it down to assist us or 823 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:55,400 assist cities and trying 824 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,300 to seek additional compensation. Some cities for the 825 00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:59,559 example city of Dallas, 826 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,039 city Arlington, and other cities around the state were 827 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:04,239 averaging around $2,500 828 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:11,920 per node or per cellular device and so they're at $250 per 829 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,000 cellular device. So 830 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,889 very different scale in far as compensation for the use of 831 00:40:16,889 --> 00:40:17,400 the city's 832 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,630 right-of-way. So that isn't a lawsuit that we're looking at 833 00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:23,000 or at least from 834 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,019 the standpoint of just visiting with the folks in McAllen 835 00:40:26,019 --> 00:40:27,079 and our city attorney's 836 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:31,380 offices involved with that. So it's still in the works but 837 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:32,920 we are marching ahead 838 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,190 with implementing this this law for September 1st. We have 839 00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:36,800 to be ready 840 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:43,309 because the industries are coming. Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, 841 00:40:43,309 --> 00:40:44,800 they have been 842 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,449 talking to staff for the last number of weeks about this 843 00:40:47,449 --> 00:40:48,500 legislation so we're 844 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:53,659 geared up for it and we'll be ready to go. Yes, Barbara. 845 00:40:53,659 --> 00:40:55,039 Are they going to be paying a fee 846 00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:59,320 per installation for using the right-of-way? Yes ma'am. The 847 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,360 way the legislation 848 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,000 is written is the company when they make an application 849 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,719 they can they can they 850 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,150 can bundle these devices up to five per application so they 851 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:13,400 'll be charged a 852 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,079 maximum of $500 per bundle and then each device above that 853 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,719 is $250. So but what 854 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,519 they're doing for example one company is looking at 855 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:25,920 potentially doing 55 units so 856 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,469 what they'll be doing is just submitting 11 sets of five at 857 00:41:30,469 --> 00:41:32,760 $500 a piece. Is this 858 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,429 just a one-time fee or is this per month? No ma'am or yes 859 00:41:36,429 --> 00:41:37,679 it's a one-time fee 860 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,530 initially for the permit and then there'll be a small 861 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:41,840 rental charge that 862 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,349 they can that the cities can charge but it's all 863 00:41:44,349 --> 00:41:46,239 legislative and it's all it's 864 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,869 prescribed the maximum amount the city can charge. The 865 00:41:49,869 --> 00:41:50,719 other thing with the 866 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,090 with the legislation it sets up time clocks so once the 867 00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:55,679 application is made 868 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,079 by the industry then the city has to deem whether or not it 869 00:41:59,079 --> 00:41:59,960 's appropriately 870 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,449 completed as far as the application process and once that 871 00:42:03,449 --> 00:42:04,440 happens then a 872 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,550 series of it then it's dictated by the amount of time the 873 00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:10,440 city can can issue the 874 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,900 permit. So it's very prescribed in the way it's done so it 875 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:15,920 's heavily favored in 876 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,269 the in the telecom industry. Is there is there a policy I 877 00:42:22,269 --> 00:42:24,159 've I've been in another 878 00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:28,440 city recently and I've seen on their water towers there are 879 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,800 numerous devices 880 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,730 like this is there is that a city policy we don't have any 881 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:35,760 on ours how does that 882 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,329 happen? Typically in the cities that I've worked in there 883 00:42:39,329 --> 00:42:40,559 are policies and those 884 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,170 are leases that are that are negotiated on an individual 885 00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:45,300 basis not knowing what 886 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:48,110 Denton has done in the past I can't speak to that but I 887 00:42:48,110 --> 00:42:49,019 know in the previous 888 00:42:49,019 --> 00:42:52,800 cities that I've worked for it's been on a case-by-case 889 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,039 basis and so a lot of 890 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,260 times some cities don't want any of those devices on those 891 00:42:57,260 --> 00:42:58,320 water towers just 892 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,280 for the structural integrity of them some cities see that 893 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,960 as a revenue 894 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:09,480 opportunity. I think Tim has a comment. We've had these 895 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,639 requests before and we have basically turned them down some 896 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:13,019 of it's a 897 00:43:13,019 --> 00:43:16,110 security issue because you've got to start opening your 898 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:17,019 facility up for 899 00:43:17,019 --> 00:43:20,000 mobile access so sometimes when you're doing a security 900 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,280 audit there's a little 901 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,719 concern of you know how many people can access these sites. 902 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,320 Right now the only 903 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,409 thing that we have on our towers is dedicated microwave or 904 00:43:30,409 --> 00:43:31,960 licensed radio for 905 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,050 our own SCADA system so they're dedicated so I think if you 906 00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:35,599 drive around 907 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,559 the Metroplex you'll see some communities with probably an 908 00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:40,239 excessive 909 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,920 proliferation I'll pick on a tower I drove by on Roanoke 910 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,480 where it looks more 911 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,349 like a communication tower than an elevator. But right now 912 00:43:52,349 --> 00:43:52,960 we don't have 913 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:59,519 right now we have none on any of our towers. Okay thank you 914 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,880 . Yes. How does the 915 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,610 the app was in an application fee and then a monthly fee I 916 00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:07,719 guess how does that 917 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,559 compare to other things that are co-located on on telephone 918 00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:12,400 poles right 919 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,170 now? Like pole attachment? Yes. Yeah. As far as how it's 920 00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:18,960 done today. No just the price 921 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,610 comparison. Fees like our fee schedule yeah current fee 922 00:44:22,610 --> 00:44:24,400 schedule. I'd have to 923 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,599 find that out but but as far as but the fee schedule that 924 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:28,920 they're prescribed 925 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,869 here in in in the law it's pretty low. Right. But I'll have 926 00:44:33,869 --> 00:44:34,719 to find it. I don't 927 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,269 know. We can put something together that answers that what 928 00:44:37,269 --> 00:44:38,360 our other various fees 929 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,440 are for the pole attachments and give you some context. 930 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,989 And then in neighborhoods where we're trying to push we're 931 00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:50,239 spending money to 932 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,210 put electrical lines underground are they going to be 933 00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:54,440 allowed to come in and 934 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,840 put a pole in and put their device on if we're trying to 935 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,360 make it a wireless 936 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,449 neighborhood so to speak? Actually no there is some 937 00:45:03,449 --> 00:45:04,599 provisions when the law 938 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,159 that that does not allow them to install new poles within 939 00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:09,079 their residential 940 00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,289 subdivision or even in some of the parks they can attach it 941 00:45:12,289 --> 00:45:13,320 to existing poles 942 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,360 that are within residential areas but not add new ones just 943 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,239 to avoid the 944 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,809 visual clutter or some of the very things you described. So 945 00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:22,079 there are some 946 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,340 things that that that gives cities a little bit of leverage 947 00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:26,199 as far as where 948 00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:30,630 they can and can't go but but it's again heavily favored in 949 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:31,639 the in the industry's 950 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:36,110 favor. Well that's a good point because if we if we have a 951 00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:37,360 for instance we're 952 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,710 looking to take utilities underground where there is 953 00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:43,079 existing poles and there's 954 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,849 something attached to it then who does that just go away or 955 00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:47,400 do we have to 956 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,340 accommodate that and that's and that may be something we'll 957 00:45:50,340 --> 00:45:51,480 have to cross that 958 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,579 bridge when we get to it because I don't I don't know not 959 00:45:55,579 --> 00:45:56,599 having read the 960 00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,909 legislation and it may change out of the lawsuit there may 961 00:45:59,909 --> 00:46:01,119 be some compromises or 962 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:06,230 whatever as that comes along. And to that point if we know 963 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:07,039 we might be going 964 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,260 underground in an area can we under the law say no you're 965 00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:11,440 not gonna attach to 966 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:17,139 that pole at this point or? At this point I think it's I 967 00:46:17,139 --> 00:46:18,320 think the law is silent on 968 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,309 that but we can we can check that and make that and let you 969 00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:23,440 know but again 970 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,789 it's yeah there are a lot of things with with there's more 971 00:46:27,789 --> 00:46:29,159 a lot more questions 972 00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,840 that are being asked from city to city because this is a 973 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,840 very new thing and 974 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,690 just how prescribed it is by the state so before cities had 975 00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:38,880 a lot more leverage 976 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,030 as far as you could come into our communities based on 977 00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:43,199 certain fees that 978 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:47,719 you would pay but this is a one-size-fits-all for the city 979 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,920 of Texas. 980 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:55,280 And so we should see our cell phone bills come down right? 981 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:55,320 Yeah right. 982 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:04,199 Okay any other we look forward to future updates on this 983 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,960 and where it's going but 984 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:14,059 nobody likes being restricted and being told what you got 985 00:47:14,059 --> 00:47:16,099 to do. Hopefully there 986 00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:22,059 will be some local control still maintained in this. Any 987 00:47:22,059 --> 00:47:24,239 other comments on 988 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:32,710 the new business action items? Can we get a review or 989 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:36,599 report of our existing rooftop 990 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:41,699 solar installation? Not necessarily the commercial part 991 00:47:41,699 --> 00:47:43,559 although if there are 992 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:45,829 more than this one target one it'd be nice to know about 993 00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:46,280 them and 994 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,349 specifically I'd like to know what rate we're buying that 995 00:47:50,349 --> 00:47:52,440 power back at. Have we 996 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,690 actually bought any power back and have we spent any money 997 00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:56,800 buying power back 998 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,360 from those rooftops? I would also like us to review the 999 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,559 ordinance that we seems 1000 00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:08,590 like we recently passed or proposed an ordinance that would 1001 00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:10,119 change the rebate 1002 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:16,079 structure and also it included something about battery 1003 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,679 systems as well. I just 1004 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,019 wanted to know see if we could review that since the light 1005 00:48:22,019 --> 00:48:23,159 has changed a 1006 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:28,619 little bit. Yeah I think this and it may be it may have 1007 00:48:28,619 --> 00:48:31,079 been last year we was the 1008 00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:35,150 first time we had in our rate ordinance that the rebate 1009 00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:37,239 there was two two rebate 1010 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,630 levels one was without battery storage and one was with 1011 00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:42,599 battery storage and I 1012 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,880 think that's the way we still have it today but yeah that'd 1013 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,119 be great. 1014 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,480 And see if we may have limited what we could be doing in 1015 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,440 that area for no 1016 00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:02,920 apparent reason. Okay okay anything else we want to sell in 1017 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,400 the new business 1018 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:13,400 matrix? Okay all right completing items any future agenda 1019 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,679 items that any any 1020 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,739 board member would like to see? We've kind of gone through 1021 00:49:19,739 --> 00:49:20,719 the new business 1022 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:29,550 stuff so all this any any general comments? No? Well and I 1023 00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:31,159 promised her I 1024 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:36,110 wouldn't do it but I just can't help I want to this is the 1025 00:49:36,110 --> 00:49:37,400 time of the meeting 1026 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,000 that we can do things like this. I'm just want to thank 1027 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,679 Barbara for your service 1028 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:48,929 over the years and I don't know what you're gonna do every 1029 00:49:48,929 --> 00:49:49,760 other Monday now 1030 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,099 you're gonna have a lot of you know half a day I'm sure you 1031 00:49:53,099 --> 00:49:54,159 'll find something to 1032 00:49:54,159 --> 00:50:00,119 fill that time but thank you very much appreciate it. At 1033 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:01,000 the same time I want to 1034 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,840 recognize I noticed we have our newest member Deborah Arm 1035 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,599 antars here she has 1036 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,599 not been sworn in yet I guess that happened I'm sure that 1037 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:10,079 'll happen within 1038 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,639 the next two weeks so next meeting we'll see you up here 1039 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:16,920 and look forward to it. 1040 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:24,500 So with that is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second 1041 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:27,519 . All in favor say aye. Aye. Any 1042 00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,360 opposed? Same sign. Thank you.