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>> Okay. Welcome, everybody. We're going to call the May 8

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th, 2017 Public Utilities Board meeting to order. It's 9 o'

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clock. We're going to start the morning and work session.

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So right off the bat, we've got work session agenda A. I

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guess Chuck Springer is going to lead us on this.

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>> Yeah, Chuck's our finance director, and he's going to

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make this presentation for item A and B.

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>> Okay. Morning.

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>> Morning.

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>> I'm sure you spent the weekend reading over the exciting

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budget document we put in the packet, but I will go over it

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a little bit more.

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Of course, I left it on the last slide, so we'll start off

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at the beginning.

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>> I'm glad you made that picture. I thought that was a gu

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illotine.

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>> That is the bell that they're putting up by the fire

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station. They removed the old bell from the City Hall West

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and putting it up, and part of the steel is from the Twin T

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owers.

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So it's being constructed and put up through the Public Art

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Committee.

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We're going to start off kind of going over the goals and

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accomplishments for the wastewater utility today.

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They've completed the design of the Hickory Creek and the

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West Peak Flow detention facilities. Those are going out

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for bids soon.

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Awarded the Pecan Creek Interceptor Phase 4 project for

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construction.

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They met the TCEQ phosphorus limits. You remember a couple

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years ago that was a major budget issue.

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They've been meeting those due to the plan improvements and

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the additional chemicals they've added.

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They continue with their in-house construction and prevent

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ive maintenance program, and those costs are lower than

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external contracted costs.

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They've reduced their sanitary sewer overflow volumes last

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year during a wet year, and the compost operation received

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the Ron Sigler Award from the Water Environmental

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Association of Texas.

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In terms of upcoming goals for the upcoming year, to begin

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the construction of those two projects, the Hickory Creek

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and the West Peak Flow detention facilities, to continue to

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meet the EPA administrative orders.

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Here's just some of the items that they're doing in order

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to continue meeting that administrative order.

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Again, the in-house construction and preventive maintenance

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costs continue to be lower, and they want to complete an

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update of the wastewater master plan during the upcoming

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year.

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In terms of performance measures and across really the city

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organization, we've been looking at updating these.

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So we've got the current performance measures of O&M cost

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per account and O&M cost per million gallons treated, but

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they're looking at additional performance measures to add

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in.

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The first one, kind of the comparing the compost sales

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revenues plus the cost avoidance, be able to use that sl

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udge instead of having to dispose of it, compared to the

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cost of that operation.

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A goal for sanitary sewer overflows less than three per

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hundred miles of sewer lines.

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Again, to continue to maintain their cost comparisons

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between their in-house services for items such as sewer

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line cleaning, their closed circuit television monitoring

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of the lines and construction,

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just to continue to compare those against doing that

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externally.

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And then the sewer main chokes less than one per 1,000

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customers.

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And you can see the last three years where they've been in

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terms of that goal.

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Another emphasis this year is on cost containment

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strategies.

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You'll see some of these numbers reflected when I get to

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the detail in the budget.

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But in terms of what they are, they've eliminated some FTEs

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The departmental reorganization in terms of administration.

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The savings of about 40,000 in terms of how administration

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been reorganized.

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In terms of the elimination of the FTEs, it was really one

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supervisor and one administrative intern that was

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eliminated.

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They had a supervisor that's now over both construction

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maintenance, one over that in the flushing crew.

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In terms of from the O&M budget, really did an exercise

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where they went through line item by line item within the

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divisions to look at historically what have we been

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spending in these line items versus what we have budgeted.

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So you see a reduction from the budget in the current year

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to the proposed budget of about 255,000.

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And those are the major areas that those reductions came

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through.

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But there are also other line items.

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We made some changes in terms of their timing of their debt

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service sale to balance against when they're spending the

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funds.

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Trying to just incur the debt closer to when the projects

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are starting.

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This year we're not selling for the waste water.

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We're carrying that sale of 6 million over to next year

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because we have the cash balances within that fund.

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The CEO fund to cover the projects for this year.

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So by just kind of matching that a little bit better, we're

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able to lower the debt service going forward.

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Another item, and I'll show this a little closer in future

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slides, but we've kind of leveled the revenue funded

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capital out.

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Historically, as they've budgeted the projects, then they

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've budgeted the revenue funded capital.

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But what we've tried to look at is leveling that out over

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the five year period versus the peaks and valleys.

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We do have cash available in that revenue capital funded or

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that revenue capital fund.

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Currently there's about 13 million that's budgeted but unex

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pended and not encumbered.

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So we feel like we have a large enough cash balance in

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there to level that out over the five years versus the

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peaks and valleys.

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And I'll kind of show that when I show the five year

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summary.

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Their maintenance and operation program resulted in what

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the PUB is very familiar with in rescinding the EPA consent

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decree.

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And estimated savings is about 100 million in terms of a

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reduced capital program.

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One of the reasons this is here is I think we need to

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highlight it for the city council.

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They will also get this presentation and a lot of them were

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not here when we were going through that process.

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So I think that's something important to highlight.

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So the total reductions from all these changes would equate

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to about a 2.4% rate increase.

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So we're proposing no rate increase for this year, so we've

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been able to reduce that.

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In terms of process improvements within the fund, they

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continue to refine their conditions assessments and life

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cycle assumptions for their waste water assets.

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And they performed a lean improvement program this year

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where they approved the information amongst departments for

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construction plan information.

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There's different departments within the city that handle

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the construction plans.

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And they really looked at a process so they could get the

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information they needed for their permanent files on a

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timely basis and also make sure it all came through

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correctly.

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In terms of future process improvements that the fund is

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looking at,

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looking at a criticality ranking for the plant and lift

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station equipment, equipment reliability analysis,

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just trying to determine what's most important, what do we

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need to keep track of more, what might need to be replaced

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more often because of that ranking.

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They're looking to create workflow charts of all the

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critical plant activities, improve the work order data with

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City Works,

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and just to continually improve the asset management

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program.

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In terms of future risks and how to mitigate those risks,

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one of the risks really across the city and across the

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Metroplex is just increased contractor costs for CIP

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projects.

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A lot of this is driven by the economy and the Metroplex.

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If you drive around, I was driving out through Dallas one

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day trying to count all the cranes along the way and I lost

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count at some point.

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It's just amazing how much activity is going on.

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But that kind of demand drives up cost.

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There's discussions, nothing's been set,

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but there's some discussion starting about setting

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discharge limits for sulfate and chlorides that come out of

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the wastewater treatment plant.

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If this were to occur, it would be some additional cost in

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order to, one, monitor to that and two, to control that.

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And they're currently testing their discharge to see where

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they're at.

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O&M cost, again, trying to mitigate those by refining their

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forecast and their asset management program

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and additional regulatory requirements that could come

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forward that we're not even aware of.

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In terms of assumptions for the budget, all the rates are

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based on cost of service.

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The goal is at least a minimum debt service coverage ratio

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of 1.25, but striving for much better than that.

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The annual revenue funded capital is based on the asset

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management program.

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Collection and those goals are the collection system

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replacement is 100% revenue funded and treatment plant

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infrastructure is 25% revenue funded and 75% debt.

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So with the five year leveling out, they are still meeting

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those revenue funding goals.

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Reserves the goal is 100 to 140 days and again, use long

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term planning to try to minimize customer rate impacts.

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This is a summary of the budget in terms of revenues for

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the wastewater utility.

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I just want to highlight a couple things on here.

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And this just really takes into account for 17, 18, just

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regular growth.

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There's no rate increases proposed in here, but regular

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growth.

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But one of the items you can see that use of reserves in 16

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, 17 that was budgeted at 4 million, 3.

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If you remember, we did a refunding of the revenue debt,

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outstanding revenue debt.

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And across the three utilities, we're able to free up funds

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from reserve funds that were required and some other cash

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funds that were required by those revenue bonds.

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And so we planned a use of reserves about 4.4 million came

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into the wastewater utility.

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We plan to transfer all that over to revenue funded capital

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.

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You can see they're estimating a little bit less this year

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in terms of a transfer.

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But when you look at the projection for 17, 18, the draw

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down of fund balance is really the remainder of that

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transfer.

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And I'll show that on the next slide.

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And here we have the proposed expenditures.

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And you can see in terms of changes, there's increases in

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personnel services.

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A slight increase in materials and supplies from the

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estimate, but below the budget.

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A portion of that is due to they're really estimating what

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kind of chemicals they would need for the phosphorus limits

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.

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They've been able to get a better handle on what's going to

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be necessary with that.

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And you can see the major difference is that transfer for

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capital projects because we had the one time larger

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transfer.

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And you see the reduction of two personnel positions or

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excuse me, one and a half personnel positions.

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So this is kind of the baseline for all of the funds in the

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city this year.

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The baseline, which is kind of no rate increases over the

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five year period.

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And I pointed out this drawdown here, about 800,000 in

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terms of a drawdown.

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Again, we had that planned use of reserves about 4.3

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million.

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They were only projecting use about 3.3.

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So this drawdown is really related to taking those funds

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over to the revenue funded capital.

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And you can see the proposed rate increases last year, we

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're estimating about 2%.

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You can see we draw down what's highlighted in yellow is

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where the number of working days in terms of working

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capital goes below the target of 100 to 140.

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So what we've proposed in the proposed budget, there were

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two in your packet, is a 2% rate increase in the future

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years.

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Option one is what I just showed you, 2018 to 2022.

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It would withdraw about 5.3 million from reserves and they

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fall below the target.

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Option two is 2% increases in the last three years would

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reduce that drawdown to 1.1.

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Now, let me emphasize really what we're adopting is the

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budget for '17-'18.

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So we're just looking at the one year, but we try to

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project out on what we're going to be doing over the five

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year period and give a realistic look at that.

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Also included within the adopted budget document is a five

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year forecast.

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So we want to put a five year forecast in the budget that's

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realistic in terms of what we really expect.

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And here is the proposed five year forecast.

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You can see the really only difference is these 2% rate

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increases in terms of expenditures.

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About the only area that that impacts is the ROI and

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franchise fee is a little bit higher because you have a

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higher amount of revenues.

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And you can see with this change that the number of working

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days stays within the 100 to 140 day target here.

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I did want to break out drainage out of this.

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The drainage fee and the drainage function is within the

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wastewater system.

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It's kind of a net.

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The revenues and expenditures are equal, but just to be

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able to break that out a little bit.

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So here's the five year projection for the drainage portion

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of revenue and expenditures within the wastewater fund.

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And the only thing to point out here, there's no rate

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increases assumed in this, just growth in terms of revenue.

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But if you look down at the debt service line, you can see

00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:24.000
that that starts to decline significantly.

00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:28.099
And what that allows for if you go to the revenue funded

00:18:28.099 --> 00:18:32.220
capital, you can see the debt service begins to decline in

00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:33.000
'19.

00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.000
It goes down significantly.

00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:42.720
What that allows for is revenue funded capital so we can do

00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:50.940
capital projects related to drainage increases annually on

00:18:50.940 --> 00:18:53.000
that basis.

00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:59.440
And here's the five year capital plan in terms of the

00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.000
wastewater fund.

00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:06.309
I've got a table or a graph that kind of shows this in

00:19:06.309 --> 00:19:09.000
terms of across the community.

00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:13.160
But you can see the breakdown in terms of collection system

00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:17.000
upgrade, field service replacement are the largest.

00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.000
And then we've broken it down here in the bottom.

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How much is revenue funded capital versus CEOs?

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This is footnoted.

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We only plan to issue two million for these projects, but

00:19:30.500 --> 00:19:33.759
there's a six million dollar carryover from the current

00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:34.000
year.

00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:40.000
So we would issue eight million in 20 years, CEO next year,

00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.000
plus the 350,000.

00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:50.329
But in terms of the projects shown here, we only need two

00:19:50.329 --> 00:19:54.000
million to fund that.

00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.000
This gives a breakdown and it's color coded.

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I know it's a little bit hard to see, but in terms of the

00:20:01.589 --> 00:20:05.000
projects by different fiscal year.

00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.720
If you have any questions on this, I'll gladly allow one of

00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:12.230
the experts in the wastewater fund to come up and answer

00:20:12.230 --> 00:20:15.000
any capital questions you may have.

00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.730
I'm used to doing these budget presentations with the city

00:20:17.730 --> 00:20:20.440
council when I'm not stopped with questions on every other

00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:21.000
slide.

00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.880
It makes me a little bit nervous. So let me know if you

00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:26.000
have some questions.

00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:31.000
I'm not used to going through on this quickly.

00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:35.000
Chuck on the just to make you feel more comfortable.

00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.000
Appreciate that.

00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:43.000
Two questions. One is on the on the reserve days.

00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.779
We did was it last year we did a study or two years ago

00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:50.829
that kind of did a comparison of where we are, where we

00:20:50.829 --> 00:20:54.000
should be is 100 to 140 days.

00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:00.000
Was that in line with the study or what it said or was that

00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.000
and I think Dr. Banks had done a study.

00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.150
I know we had updated some of them two years ago where we

00:21:07.150 --> 00:21:10.680
increase the amount, but I don't believe we made any

00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.000
changes last year.

00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:16.000
But I'll turn it over to Dr. Okay.

00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:20.180
Good morning. Morning. Yes, we've we've been looking at the

00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:23.579
reserve level on both the water wastewater side as well as

00:21:23.579 --> 00:21:26.000
solid waste and DME for that matter.

00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:32.339
And we went through a large number of survey data to try to

00:21:32.339 --> 00:21:38.000
figure out exactly where we were needing to be.

00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.799
The way that's calculated is different, different among

00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:42.000
different agencies.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.460
And so we struggle quite a bit on on how that day's

00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:50.079
calculation was actually done, whether it included debt

00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:54.000
service, if it was just strictly operating, et cetera.

00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:58.000
We have systematically adjusted those reserves upwards.

00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:03.410
We are now at 100 to 140 days and that puts us pretty well

00:22:03.410 --> 00:22:08.000
in the midpoint of what the survey data was showing us.

00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:13.279
And so it is a I think a reasonable target to be at

00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:18.880
considering what we saw in the in the data and then also

00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:23.000
what we have experienced in terms of year over year losses.

00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:27.930
So basically the programming for that was to allow us at

00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:32.000
the top end to be able to tolerate two to three

00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.000
historically bad years back to back.

00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:40.029
And so that allows us to we think to survive if we end up

00:22:40.029 --> 00:22:44.930
having a couple of bad years and still be able to keep

00:22:44.930 --> 00:22:48.000
operations going just fine.

00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:53.569
So does that answer your question? Where were we before on

00:22:53.569 --> 00:22:54.000
the reserve?

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:58.680
We were we prior to this last adjustment, we were 90 to 120

00:22:58.680 --> 00:22:59.000
.

00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:04.140
Okay. And then we went to the 100 to 140. So we we increase

00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:07.000
the lower level and broaden the range.

00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:13.690
Okay. All right. Yeah, I think I think it's good that we're

00:23:13.690 --> 00:23:19.000
recognizing that the water wastewater is one of the more

00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:25.410
vulnerable to weather fluctuations, more volatile from a

00:23:25.410 --> 00:23:27.000
revenue side.

00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.000
And so, yeah, that's good.

00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:38.059
Any other questions? I do have a question on that slot the

00:23:38.059 --> 00:23:40.920
five years slide that there's $1.2 million loss. And is

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.000
that again just carry over?

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.029
Go back another one. This right there and I know that our

00:23:49.029 --> 00:23:55.549
focus is really 2018. But in 2019, is that again from the

00:23:55.549 --> 00:24:00.000
planned use of reserves or is that?

00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.559
That's that's really just what it shows with a zero rate

00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.000
increase in that year and one of the items.

00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:12.730
Also, to consider when we're doing the plan use of reserves

00:24:12.730 --> 00:24:17.740
, we're up at 204 here after this year and coming down but

00:24:17.740 --> 00:24:22.000
it kind of brings us into the middle of that range.

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.559
I just want to make sure I understood that right. Yeah, and

00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.359
it's really, it's really the following year that we would

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:29.000
propose the two percent.

00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:33.609
So we don't continue that decline. And again, you know, we

00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:37.420
'll refine these numbers as we go into that year. So it's

00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:41.059
somewhat of an estimate and close estimate, but somewhat of

00:24:41.059 --> 00:24:42.000
an estimate.

00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.000
Thank you.

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.839
I remember I said I had two questions. I just remember that

00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:48.000
. Okay.

00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:53.029
Any any adjustments made to the five year capital

00:24:53.029 --> 00:24:58.900
improvement program from what it was what it has been to be

00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:03.160
thing delayed or or taken out is it looks the map looks

00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:08.359
pretty much the same all the projects but just just just

00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:17.000
comment on

00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.000
right about the map looks about the same.

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.039
The delays are usually it is tied to getting easements so

00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:28.359
engaging the property owners and buying the easements to do

00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:30.000
the installation.

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:35.029
So we have made some adjustments on some projects because

00:25:35.029 --> 00:25:36.000
of that.

00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.049
But within the five year window. We still have pretty much

00:25:39.049 --> 00:25:40.000
the same projects.

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.000
Okay.

00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:48.680
No delays or taking projects or delaying projects because

00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.000
of no rate increase.

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:54.000
Not on the wastewater site.

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.000
I haven't really.

00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.950
What has helped is actually balancing out the just in time

00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:03.190
funding for the projects and also the revenue funding. So

00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:05.000
that balance it out.

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.000
Okay.

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.000
Good.

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:15.000
Thank you.

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.119
We always show these kind of comparisons where our rates

00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.619
are versus other communities in the area this is

00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:24.000
residential.

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:29.460
And this will come back to the P.U.B. after others make

00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:35.190
their rate adjustments. So after everyone's budget process

00:26:35.190 --> 00:26:38.410
will come back. But you can see in terms of residential

00:26:38.410 --> 00:26:39.000
where we're at.

00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:45.000
And this one shows commercial at fifty thousand gallons.

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.000
And then commercial at two hundred thousand gallons.

00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:55.069
So a little bit higher on the scale on commercial than we

00:26:55.069 --> 00:26:57.000
are residential.

00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.359
And with that I'll go to my last and first slide. Questions

00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.000
and comments.

00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.410
And in terms of timing we've presented this information we

00:27:08.410 --> 00:27:12.730
've also got in the backup to detailed budget backups kind

00:27:12.730 --> 00:27:17.140
of the baseline budget and the proposed budget which again

00:27:17.140 --> 00:27:20.000
is the same for the first couple of fiscal years.

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.000
We've got all this information.

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.000
We'll come back with put this on the agenda in June again

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.160
for questions and look for a recommendation on the budget

00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.059
by the end of June to be able to take it to counsel during

00:27:34.059 --> 00:27:38.000
the July timeframe into July when we take a proposed budget

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:38.000
.

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:42.680
So there's additional time for the committee to discuss

00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.000
this budget.

00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:52.000
Future meetings.

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:57.000
Everybody's reading the next presentation.

00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:23.269
Let me drop off a little paperwork and pick up a little bit

00:28:23.269 --> 00:28:25.000
.

00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:30.460
In terms of the solid waste fund and I'll go through it in

00:28:30.460 --> 00:28:34.000
the same manner as the other one.

00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:39.480
Same emphasis in terms of the accomplishments expanding the

00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.549
alternative fuel facility so that we can get C&G actually

00:28:44.549 --> 00:28:48.000
through our own facility versus bringing a contractor out.

00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:53.640
At least right now on a per gallon equivalent, C&G is about

00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:58.690
50 cents less than diesel in terms on a per gallon

00:28:58.690 --> 00:29:01.000
equivalent.

00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.680
To they began the landfill cell construction estimated

00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:10.240
completion of it kind of at the end of this calendar year

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:15.000
of the latest cell and the cell life is about ten years.

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.680
There's three grants that the fund received for their C&G,

00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:24.000
the home chemical center and for mining equipment.

00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.549
They're currently fully compliant on all the regulations

00:29:28.549 --> 00:29:32.700
from TCEQ and one of the goals and you'll see in terms of

00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:36.759
when we look at new performance measures is adding

00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.000
commercial to the recycling program.

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.640
So they added 38 accounts, multi-family accounts this year

00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:50.769
and that brings up the participation rate for multi-family

00:29:50.769 --> 00:29:57.000
from about 28% of the multi-family customers to about 36%.

00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:02.299
In terms of the goals, hope to increase the building

00:30:02.299 --> 00:30:07.000
materials recovery program by about 7%.

00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.119
Mining operations in this first 17-18 will be really the

00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.000
first year where they're fully geared up.

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.940
They hope to process about 216,000 cubic yards to give you

00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:21.000
a little bit of reference.

00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.809
They estimate that the total amount of mining is about

00:30:24.809 --> 00:30:27.000
three million cubic yards.

00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.000
Hope to do it over a ten year period.

00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.339
That's the first year, but they hope each year to be able

00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:37.799
to mine more cubic yards as they get more efficient and get

00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.000
more knowledgeable on the process.

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.660
I know that it's come to this board some of the fleet

00:30:44.660 --> 00:30:48.680
software that the solid waste has looked at and they hope

00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.009
to improve efficiencies in their information management

00:30:52.009 --> 00:30:55.000
from that new fleet software that will be

00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.509
has some vehicle location and mapping capabilities, reduce

00:31:00.509 --> 00:31:06.039
preventable accidents by 10% and kind of continue to refine

00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.349
the business plan for the regional household chemical

00:31:10.349 --> 00:31:11.000
center.

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:16.220
In terms of performance measures, the current ones are the

00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:21.009
residential reef refuge and recycling tonnage and the

00:31:21.009 --> 00:31:26.319
commercial refuge and recycling tonnage, those percentages

00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.000
and the pounds disposed per capita.

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.650
Some of the new performance measures that they would like

00:31:32.650 --> 00:31:36.630
to add, increasing their commercial recycling accounts and

00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:40.059
tracking their cubic yards processed in their mining

00:31:40.059 --> 00:31:44.400
operations and then just achieving their optimal waste comp

00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:49.000
action by 1100 to 1200 pounds per cubic yard.

00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:54.519
Really that allows the breakdown of materials as well as

00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:59.680
kind of maximizing that methane gas recovery that's

00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.490
captured within the landfill and used to produce

00:32:04.490 --> 00:32:07.000
electricity for DME.

00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:12.119
In terms of cost containment strategies, the solid waste

00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:17.019
fund did delay some issuance and reduce some issuance on

00:32:17.019 --> 00:32:25.000
their capital program by 9.4 million for 16-17 that reduced

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.559
their debt service by about 1.1 million in the upcoming

00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:30.000
year.

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.569
They transitioned seven FTEs that were construction crew

00:32:34.569 --> 00:32:38.880
out at the landfill over to the mining operation as a lot

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:43.000
of their construction activities geared down.

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:47.009
They have future construction activities to look at

00:32:47.009 --> 00:32:49.000
contracting that out.

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.019
They also went through the same type of exercise in terms

00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:56.779
of line item by line item looking at their historical

00:32:56.779 --> 00:33:01.069
expenses and reducing their O&M expenses from the budget in

00:33:01.069 --> 00:33:06.000
16-17 to 17-18 by about 620,000.

00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.000
You can see some of the main categories that are in there.

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.650
They've eliminated two FTEs that were vacant in terms of

00:33:15.650 --> 00:33:19.000
planning for 17-18.

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.589
They're in the public outreach division, a public outreach

00:33:23.589 --> 00:33:28.000
manager, and a business account coordinator were the two

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.000
that were eliminated.

00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.440
They've also reduced communication services and equipment

00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.000
going with a new vendor.

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.279
That's their push to talk system. Estimate that'll save

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:45.000
them about 175,000 over the five-year life of that contract

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:45.000
.

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.000
Question?

00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.799
On the public outreach, what could you explain a little bit

00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.000
about what's involved there?

00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:03.230
I'm going to turn that over to Vance to answer that

00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:05.000
question.

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:06.000
Good morning.

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:11.369
Yes. Public outreach is part of our public education and

00:34:11.369 --> 00:34:16.000
the outreach we do in the community.

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.000
We've looked at how we can better coordinate those

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.570
activities through the organization and we think that by

00:34:24.570 --> 00:34:27.860
doing that and a better job, we can actually reduce that

00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:29.000
one position.

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:33.000
And the second position has not been filled in a few years.

00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:38.079
We were looking at expanding our commercial and multifamily

00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:42.920
recycling and utilizing that one position to market and

00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.000
educate.

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.380
We've been able to do that in-house, so we just never have

00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:49.000
filled that position.

00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.000
So those are the two.

00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.539
Do we have any programs that go into the schools to start

00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:56.000
with the children?

00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.000
Yes. Yes. That is not being cut.

00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.519
We think that's an important long-term program called the

00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.570
Denton Sustainable Schools Program, and that will continue

00:35:06.570 --> 00:35:07.000
on.

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.590
We've been doing that for probably 14 years, and that has

00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:15.000
been very successful.

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.809
So we're seeing those first students moving out, graduating

00:35:19.809 --> 00:35:24.000
from high school, and coming into the community.

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.260
So it's one of those long-term programs that is really

00:35:27.260 --> 00:35:28.000
needed.

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.829
And to maintain our high amount of diversion and recycling,

00:35:31.829 --> 00:35:35.489
we have to have an ongoing public education program, both

00:35:35.489 --> 00:35:38.000
in the schools and in the community.

00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.000
I think that's very important. Thank you very much.

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.000
Thank you.

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.389
In terms of process improvements out at the landfill and

00:35:54.389 --> 00:35:59.000
their operations, they're hoping to reduce turnaround time,

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.829
really getting a second inbound and outbound scale so that

00:36:03.829 --> 00:36:09.280
folks can come in and out more quickly and help reduce that

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.000
turnaround time,

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.199
make it more efficient and more pleasing for those who

00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000
choose to come and use our services.

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.719
And just improving their forecasting, budgeting, and CIP

00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.000
process materials forecasting.

00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.519
Some of the future improvements, looking at improving the

00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:31.110
accounting and information management processes with a

00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:32.000
software upgrade

00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.889
and the new fleet management software looking to

00:36:34.889 --> 00:36:38.460
incorporate that and really find some efficiencies through

00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:40.000
the use of that new software,

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:46.550
and then collaborate with fleet services to reduce vehicle

00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:49.000
maintenance cost.

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.309
In terms of future risk and what's being done to mitigate

00:36:53.309 --> 00:36:58.460
those, the mining operations is really offsetting future

00:36:58.460 --> 00:37:02.000
expense to add landfill cell space,

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.000
and it also materials recovery and the sales and revenue

00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.000
that's coming from that.

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.610
The Mosley Road landfill wanted to stress that we've

00:37:12.610 --> 00:37:18.000
identified funding available for necessary improvements,

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:23.000
but we may have to do to that landfill of 6.2 million,

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.000
sorry, 6.4 million.

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:30.449
3.2 is currently available, and there's another 3.2 in the

00:37:30.449 --> 00:37:32.000
upcoming CIP.

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:36.389
We're currently evaluating what needs to be done out there,

00:37:36.389 --> 00:37:39.559
doing some testing, and we'll know more in the next couple

00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:40.000
of months,

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.730
but we do have funds identified to be able to do remed

00:37:44.730 --> 00:37:47.000
iation as necessary.

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.000
What's coming up is final approval of the municipal solid

00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.000
waste permit amendment.

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.860
The public notice phase is coming forward and all the

00:37:56.860 --> 00:38:01.000
regulatory requirements as we go through that process.

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.929
And hopefully avoid any hiccups during the legislature this

00:38:05.929 --> 00:38:09.000
year and continue to move forward.

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.829
Also looking at wholesale customers, really external

00:38:12.829 --> 00:38:16.000
customers from the city that use our services,

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:21.139
and analyzing any need for contractual agreements over the

00:38:21.139 --> 00:38:27.079
long term with those customers to maintain that customer

00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:28.000
base.

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.829
In terms of the assumptions for their budget, revenue

00:38:31.829 --> 00:38:35.599
growth is really based on historical trends and customer

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:36.000
data.

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.099
I've got another slide where they changed their growth

00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:42.610
estimates for '17-'18 a little bit less than what they

00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:44.000
showed PUB a few months ago.

00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.039
The rates, again, based on cost of service, they also shoot

00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:52.599
for minimum debt coverage of 1.25, but would like to have

00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.000
higher than that.

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.869
Their funding goals in terms of cash funding of capital for

00:38:58.869 --> 00:39:02.000
equipment is heavy duty vehicles.

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.000
Their goal is to fund those 50% and light duty 100%.

00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:11.000
There is the revenue funded capital within the budget.

00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.000
I'll show you that line when we get there.

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.889
And they're not proposing any rate increases for about a

00:39:16.889 --> 00:39:18.000
four year period.

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.000
They're looking at a rate increase at year five.

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.260
Kind of evaluating the potential increased expenses for new

00:39:27.260 --> 00:39:30.000
programs as we move forward.

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.570
I stated they're going to continue to do an analysis of a

00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:37.900
regional household hazardous chemical center, the mining

00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:41.000
operation, and the CNG.

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:46.159
Some of those costs are still in process and making sure of

00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.869
those once we have like a full year of experience with

00:39:50.869 --> 00:39:53.000
those facilities.

00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.000
I mentioned an updated growth forecast.

00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.880
You can see the original forecast for the upcoming fiscal

00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:03.000
year on the left in terms of residential customer growth,

00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:08.380
commercial growth, and retail and wholesale tonnage at the

00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:09.000
landfill.

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.000
And you can see the revised numbers here.

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:19.469
So this budget and the revenues is based on that updated

00:40:19.469 --> 00:40:21.000
column.

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:25.239
In terms of revenues, we've broken these out a little bit

00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.000
differently than in prior years.

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.000
In terms of the first one, asset sales and interest income,

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.510
most of the asset sales are just sales of equipment when we

00:40:35.510 --> 00:40:38.000
replace the equipment and auction that off.

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.590
We've broken it down between residential and commercial and

00:40:42.590 --> 00:40:44.000
landfill gate.

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.889
You can see the importance of those external customers in

00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:50.000
terms of the landfill gate.

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.000
Recyclable materials, miscellaneous.

00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.000
And I do want to point out the alternative fueling station.

00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.000
This is the CNG.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.619
For our purposes, how we handle this is it will show up, at

00:41:05.619 --> 00:41:10.190
least on a budgetary standpoint, as a revenue and an

00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:11.000
expense.

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.550
When they go into fuel, they'll have to be using a card so

00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:20.000
it shows up as a revenue even with our own vehicles.

00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.000
And then it'll be an expense on the other side.

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:26.000
So that's really why you see such a large increase in that.

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:30.070
We'll also sell to the public, part of that grant is it has

00:41:30.070 --> 00:41:33.000
to be available to sell to the public.

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.000
So via credit card, we'll be able to sell to the public.

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.960
But the majority of that is really internal city operations

00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.000
from the solid waste.

00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.000
But that's a little bit different.

00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.000
And then you can see the use of reserves.

00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:55.000
And I'll show these in the summary slide.

00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.869
Last year, last fiscal year, DME purchased some land out at

00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:01.000
the landfill.

00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.829
And about half of that money, they wanted to use that for

00:42:05.829 --> 00:42:08.000
cash funded capital.

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.000
About half of it was transferred in '15-'16.

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.760
So they want to have budget authority to transfer the other

00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.000
half of that over to their cash funded capital.

00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:26.550
So that's really what they're using the reserves for in '17

00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:28.000
-'18.

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:33.000
This is just a summary of their expenditures.

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.000
And we've tried to break these down.

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:40.619
These are kind of the standard categories to be broken down

00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:41.000
.

00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.750
In terms of personnel services, most of that increase is

00:42:45.750 --> 00:42:50.000
due to kind of the full year of the mining operation,

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.000
because we did reduce two FTEs.

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.000
But as we get into the full year of the mining operation,

00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.000
you can see that increase.

00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.420
You can see some of the other line items have stayed the

00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.000
same.

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.000
The franchise fee is simply a percentage of revenues.

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.000
Their operations go up.

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.280
And you can see even with the delay in debt service, you

00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.679
can see their debt service expense goes from about $8

00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:23.000
million to about $9.6.

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.019
And under the operations, I always look at what you

00:43:26.019 --> 00:43:29.000
actually spent versus what you're proposing.

00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.119
So in that operations, that's the increase from the mining

00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:33.000
operations?

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:37.000
The majority of that is the mining operation.

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.880
In terms of the equipment and the fuel used by the

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.000
equipment, those type of things.

00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.269
About the same if you look at from '15-'16 to '16-'17 in

00:43:47.269 --> 00:43:49.000
terms of personnel services.

00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:50.000
>> Right.

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.000
>> Was also almost all of the mining operation.

00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:05.539
In terms of their five year capital plan, it's broken down

00:44:05.539 --> 00:44:06.000
here.

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.480
And we've broken it down at the bottom in terms of

00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.000
certificates of obligation.

00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:16.969
Five year, ten year, and 20, we match the life of the asset

00:44:16.969 --> 00:44:19.000
to the term of the debt.

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.000
So that's broken down in that way.

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.000
And I'll leave this up here.

00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.719
And if you have some questions in terms of their capital

00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.000
program.

00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.800
I did mention that Mosley Road facility where we were going

00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.000
to sell some additional debt.

00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:43.000
In terms of Mosley Road, would you like to cover that one?

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:48.000
Kenny, it's really a landfill outside of the city limits

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.000
that was run by the city.

00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.000
And I don't know during what years it was run by the city.

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.000
>> I'm not sure if I know what year it is either.

00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:56.000
Vance, can you help me on that?

00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.000
>> It was in '84.

00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:03.000
>> Okay.

00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:06.710
>> So they stopped utilizing that landfill in the early

00:45:06.710 --> 00:45:08.000
1980s.

00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.000
And I'm not sure when they started using it.

00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.000
It may have been as early as about 1960.

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.440
So prior to that, there was a landfill, so to speak, over

00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:25.000
where facility management's offices are right in that area.

00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.949
And they left out of there somewhere in the late '50s,

00:45:27.949 --> 00:45:29.000
early '60s.

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:34.369
So we have those old areas where the city used to put their

00:45:34.369 --> 00:45:37.000
waste that we don't have closure,

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.500
post closure funding for because that wasn't a requirement

00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:41.000
then.

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.150
But we still, as a property generator of the waste and

00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:52.369
property owners, still have the obligation to maintain that

00:45:52.369 --> 00:45:53.000
.

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.469
>> Did that answer -- could I provide any more information

00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:56.000
on that?

00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.000
>> Yeah.

00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.659
>> We do have some repair work that needs to be done on

00:46:01.659 --> 00:46:03.000
that facility.

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.190
Some dressing that has to be done on the top to level it

00:46:06.190 --> 00:46:07.000
back out.

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.000
It's settled over time.

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.000
And so that's what we're working through right now.

00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:22.000
>> Okay.

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:29.000
And I'll kind of give the same two five-year forecast.

00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:35.000
This is the zero rate or the baseline five-year forecast.

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:40.570
And you can see kind of in the out years where the number

00:46:40.570 --> 00:46:45.000
of working days target starts to decline

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.010
and where we have kind of some small net income losses, 20,

00:46:50.010 --> 00:46:52.000
21, and 22.

00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.530
You can see like for FY '19, it's showing an increase in

00:46:56.530 --> 00:46:58.000
the net income.

00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:03.000
And their target is 52 to 66 days.

00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:07.769
Again, you can see partially because of that land sale in

00:47:07.769 --> 00:47:13.280
2016 where the number of working days jumped up to about 91

00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:14.000
days.

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:20.150
So part of that this year is budgeted to that plan use of

00:47:20.150 --> 00:47:25.000
reserves to put that over into capital.

00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.139
>> What is the debt coverage ratio requirement under the

00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:30.000
bond covenants, 1.2?

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.909
>> Well, it was under the old revenue bonds, was one and a

00:47:34.909 --> 00:47:36.000
quarter.

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.000
We have new revenue bond covenants.

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.000
We've only issued for DME for the generation facility.

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.000
The new covenants are just 1.0.

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.599
But in terms of still setting a policy, we like to have

00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.000
that coverage of 1.25.

00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.159
Really for the utilities, we're issuing certificates of

00:47:56.159 --> 00:48:00.349
obligation, so it's got a tax pledge and a pledge of the

00:48:00.349 --> 00:48:02.000
utility revenues.

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.710
I think the 1.25 gives a little bit more comfort that we

00:48:05.710 --> 00:48:09.000
won't ever have to dip into the tax pledge to do that.

00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.000
So it's really just kind of a performance goal.

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:19.460
And in terms of revenue bonds ratings, 1.25 is kind of on

00:48:19.460 --> 00:48:24.000
the lower end where they're wanting to have 1.5 up to 2 for

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.000
higher rated utilities.

00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:32.960
So that's why I mentioned the 1.25 is kind of a minimum,

00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:39.460
but a stronger coverage ratio would be seen by them as

00:48:39.460 --> 00:48:41.000
better.

00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.619
And I mentioned the proposed really just has a 1% increase

00:48:45.619 --> 00:48:48.000
out in the last fiscal year.

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.469
But you can see what that does is kind of maintains us at

00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:55.579
the upper end of the number of working day targets, keeping

00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:59.000
it up to the upper end in these outer years.

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.809
Again, really the budget we're focusing on is for this

00:49:02.809 --> 00:49:04.000
fiscal year.

00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:09.760
But we like to have a good idea and give a good indication

00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.000
of what the five year plan looks like.

00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:20.000
And this is just if an increase occurred in the last year,

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.840
the fiscal year, what that increase would be and shows kind

00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.679
of the current rates for standard and large cart and the

00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.000
landfill gate rates.

00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.010
But we've tried to do the same type of comparison that we

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:38.000
do for the water and the wastewater.

00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.449
It's a little bit more difficult. There's a lot more

00:49:41.449 --> 00:49:45.150
variability in terms of what kind of services are offered

00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:48.550
by solid waste, how often the pickup is, those kind of

00:49:48.550 --> 00:49:49.000
things.

00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:54.110
But we've got the darker color is larger carts and the

00:49:54.110 --> 00:49:58.000
lighter color is the standard carts.

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.000
Ditten is kind of green in the middle here.

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:05.159
We've put this one kind of in alphabetical order, but you

00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:09.610
can see in terms of somewhat around the Metroplex, we're a

00:50:09.610 --> 00:50:15.000
little bit on the higher side in terms of those services.

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.559
You can see Austin that has a higher level of service, more

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:20.000
comparable to ours.

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:25.289
But we try to put this comparison together and be a little

00:50:25.289 --> 00:50:30.000
bit consistent between the different utilities.

00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.960
And with that, I'll answer any other additional questions

00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:40.000
you may have or call someone up to the podium.

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:46.440
Chuck, I did have one question on the gate and material of

00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.000
the gate rate.

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:55.030
What percentage of that revenue is wholesale when you're

00:50:55.030 --> 00:51:02.000
talking about converting some of that to with contracts?

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.769
Because it's not really I'm assuming that there's not a lot

00:51:05.769 --> 00:51:09.000
of residents that are going through the gate.

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.280
This is this is mainly going to be a hope, I guess what you

00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.000
'd call a wholesale rate.

00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:31.000
So but what percentage is that? Is it 90 percent or?

00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:38.000
OK.

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:44.599
Intuitively, we know it's a very high percentage. Yeah. And

00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.789
I guess the point being that we're holding rates, no

00:51:48.789 --> 00:51:54.449
increases for four years and then one percent increase in

00:51:54.449 --> 00:51:55.000
five years.

00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.579
I just I'm just wondering if we looked at more of a mixture

00:51:58.579 --> 00:52:01.949
of is there an opportunity more of an opportunity for

00:52:01.949 --> 00:52:04.000
wholesale rate increases?

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.079
I don't know what the other options are in the area. And

00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.119
obviously, I don't want to, you know, we don't want to if

00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.820
that's a very profitable piece of business, you've got to

00:52:13.820 --> 00:52:15.000
be competitive.

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.550
But at the same time, just I'm just making the comment that

00:52:18.550 --> 00:52:21.869
if there are opportunities on the wholesale side, I'd

00:52:21.869 --> 00:52:23.000
rather see those.

00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:36.650
I think Scott. The landfill revenues for twenty eighteen,

00:52:36.650 --> 00:52:38.760
they're about six point nine million and they're made up of

00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.000
fees and landfill gate rates and the retail and wholesale

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.000
rate.

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:50.219
The wholesale rates approximately two point six million and

00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:54.000
the retail rate is three.

00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.739
I don't have the detail with me is three to three point

00:52:57.739 --> 00:53:04.760
five million. So wholesale is still a significant figure at

00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.000
two point six million.

00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.460
Mr. Robinson, I can tell you, we've looked at the wholesale

00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.329
rate every year and we we've had it flat for a number of

00:53:14.329 --> 00:53:15.000
years.

00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.800
And I can tell you that it's our assessment of the

00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.090
marketplace that we're still in a position to keeping it

00:53:21.090 --> 00:53:24.000
flat that makes using our facility attractive,

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.329
especially considering all the transportation costs that

00:53:27.329 --> 00:53:30.349
some of those wholesalers have to incur to come this far

00:53:30.349 --> 00:53:31.000
north.

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.469
And so we think that in the future there may be a need to

00:53:33.469 --> 00:53:36.019
adjust that rate. But right now we feel like it's the

00:53:36.019 --> 00:53:40.030
appropriate level based on the market and what people are

00:53:40.030 --> 00:53:43.000
having to pay elsewhere.

00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:52.000
Can we sell natural gas when they come?

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.000
Any other questions?

00:53:54.000 --> 00:54:04.000
Comments? Again, this is this will be the last time we see

00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:04.000
this. So we'll have other opportunities.

00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:10.000
OK, thank you, Chuck. Appreciate it.

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OK, next we have items for individual consideration. Item A

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is to consider approval of the Public Utilities Board

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meeting minutes of April 24th, 2017.

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Those have been distributed, published in advance.

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Any questions? Comments? Changes? Hearing none, those will

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be adopted as presented.

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Item number B is to consider recommending adoption of an

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ordinance authorizing city manager to execute a sewer main

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cost participation agreement between the city of Denton and

00:54:54.150 --> 00:54:57.000
Crawford Hospital Partners, LLC.

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This is in participation of oversizing sewer mains.

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And PS Aurora is going to leave this discussion.

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Just to get you all oriented where we are, this 35W Craw

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ford Road, Roads and Ranch is further back west here.

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And this is all Hillwood property for Hunter Ranch. And

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this project is coming along here, the surgical hospital.

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We have an existing sewer line that serves country lakes

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development here. And we had oversized that. Why do we

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oversized?

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A development is required to put a line in to serve their

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property.

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But if we have outside areas that will drain naturally

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through the property, then we look at or we estimate what

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the wastewater flows will be from that area.

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And that allows for partnering with the development and ups

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izing that line. So we pay for that cost.

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What is the upsize cost? They may need an 8 inch, but we

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participate beyond 10 inch. That's the ordinance that we

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have.

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So anything beyond 10 inch, if we need to oversize, we pay

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for it. And that's what this item is for.

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You have seen the cost there. It generally works out pretty

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good because what we get is an oversize participation that

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if we had to go out and lay that capacity line, that cost

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would be much higher.

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By doing the oversize participation, we're able to get a

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perfect cost, which is much lower cost for us.

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This development won't even use an 8 inch full capacity,

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but we go to 18 inch.

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This allows us to take flows from Hunter Ranch. And we have

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a project coming along that would probably take all of the

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Robson Ranch project and run it through this line here.

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And we are still working on it, and we'll have that back

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here for the meeting after the next one possibly.

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Okay. So if there are any questions, I'll be happy to

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answer.

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So basically these oversize participation is going to be

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the cost of the pipe, really. I mean, because it didn't

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cost that much more.

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That's right.

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It has to be the same size and it's really the material

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cost.

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It had to be a little deeper, but that's a little bit of

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the cost there.

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There's a big drainage ditch by I-35W, and we didn't want

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to do an aerial crossing on it.

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So we made the line a little deeper.

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Okay. Very good. Any other questions?

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Question.

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Yes, Barbara.

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Is this agreement, this looks very similar to the one we

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considered last meeting? Am I correct?

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.000
Yeah, that was for water.

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That was for water.

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That is for wastewater.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Other questions?

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Okay, this is an item to take action on. Is there a motion

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then to on this item?

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Move approval.

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Second.

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Motion to approve. Barbara, second by Susan. Any discussion

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?

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All in favor then say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed? Same sign.

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Okay, motion carries.

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Next item we have is our ACM update.

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Yes, what we have for you is the action matrix, and it

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looks like we've completed most of the items.

00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.969
I do recognize it says completed, but we still owe you

00:58:58.969 --> 00:59:03.159
information on the solid waste salary, FTE comparison, and

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we'll have that to you as soon as we can.

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Okay.

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That's all I have.

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Okay.

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Okay, concluding items, A is for any ask of any member of

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the public utilities board or the public if they have,

00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:32.000
would like to see any item on the, any future agendas.

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Nobody's raising their hands, so I guess not.

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And I guess the, the only other thing left is to adjourn

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before I do.

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John, is this your last meeting, PUB meeting?

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I just want to, I'm starting to get a little bit of bad

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vibe from people sitting on my left.

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But I do, over the years you've been a big part of the

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public, since I've been on it, PUB in one way or another. I

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just want to thank you for the job you've done and wish you

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good luck in the future.

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Well thank you very much. It's been a pleasure working with

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each of you and I wish you the very best.

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This is a hard decision for me, but one that's exciting at

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the same time, but I've enjoyed my time here and I've

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appreciated getting to work with each of you. Thank you.

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Very good.

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With that, is there a motion to adjourn?

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So moved.

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Motion and a second?

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Second.

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Thank you, Allen. All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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