WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.410 April 10th 2017 public utility board meeting to order. We 00:00:04.410 --> 00:00:06.200 have a quorum here 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:13.269 and we our first first agenda item is to hold a public 00:00:13.269 --> 00:00:15.560 hearing. Item number 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:23.620 PUB 17-065 to hold a public hearing consider recommending 00:00:23.620 --> 00:00:24.120 that the City 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:27.519 Council adopt a resolution regarding the proposed site for 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:29.719 construction of the 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:36.250 what's known as the Hartley Field substation. So for staff 00:00:36.250 --> 00:00:37.359 I believe the 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:41.119 presentation is going to be by Brian Dascombs. Brian if you 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.479 would please. 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:54.530 Good morning board and members of the public thank you for 00:00:54.530 --> 00:00:56.960 taking some time 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:07.840 this morning to discuss this item. So for this for this 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:09.799 substation we're needing to 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:12.680 we're needing to construct a substation to meet the growth 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:13.640 that we've had and 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:16.530 then let me give you a quick visual on that those of you 00:01:16.530 --> 00:01:17.480 that were at the 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:20.250 public hearing or rather the open house would have seen 00:01:20.250 --> 00:01:21.359 this that a lot of our 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:24.069 infrastructure was constructed back in the 60s and since 00:01:24.069 --> 00:01:25.159 that time we've had of 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:27.340 course a lot of growth as people have moved into Denton as 00:01:27.340 --> 00:01:28.079 businesses have 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:30.840 moved into Denton and so DME has the requirement to meet 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:31.799 that growth and so 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:36.290 that's what we're attempting to do with this substation. As 00:01:36.290 --> 00:01:38.079 the electric provider 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.879 in this area DME has a responsibility to meet that growth. 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.400 We've proposed five 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.579 different substation locations and there'll be a map with 00:01:46.579 --> 00:01:47.159 those with those 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:51.310 sites here shortly and as we've discussed this item with 00:01:51.310 --> 00:01:52.400 the public it 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.319 seems to us that two sites have risen to the top and are 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:56.400 worthy of further 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.239 consideration although certainly any of the five are 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:00.840 possible for us we can from 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:04.060 an engineering perspective we can we can build on any of 00:02:04.060 --> 00:02:05.719 those. As a reminder 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.479 this is generally to the north of town just north of 288 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:10.800 across from the water 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:16.860 park there at the Hartley Field Road and Sherman Drive. 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:18.439 Here closer in you can see 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:23.400 those five sites that we've that we've offered to the 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.199 public the five options 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.180 that we've considered. You can see there's a yellow site 00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:29.280 that has a purple 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.680 background on it that purple background signifies the 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.120 property that's owned. Oh 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:40.879 I'm sorry and you can see that that yellow side is has a 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:41.400 purple background 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.240 and that purple background signifies property that's owned 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:45.000 currently by the 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.139 city of Denton and it's that yellow site and then the blue 00:02:49.139 --> 00:02:50.039 site on the other side 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:54.060 of Sherman that seemed to us at this point to be the two 00:02:54.060 --> 00:02:55.560 most viable sites. 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.039 Now this is a fairly complicated map and I apologize for 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:01.800 the complexity but I 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.389 think there's some good information on here so I quickly 00:03:04.389 --> 00:03:05.240 wanted to show you 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:08.669 that there's a TAM area that's on the bottom left of this 00:03:08.669 --> 00:03:09.360 map and that goes 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.930 diagonally through the center and that shows the area that 00:03:12.930 --> 00:03:14.000 is in which DME is 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.750 certified as the as the only entity that can serve electric 00:03:19.750 --> 00:03:21.879 load and so that's 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.030 the area in which we have sole responsibility for providing 00:03:24.030 --> 00:03:24.439 electric 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.259 load and then over to the upper right side of the map you 00:03:28.259 --> 00:03:29.000 can see there's an 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.210 area in slightly lighter tan I apologize the colors don't 00:03:32.210 --> 00:03:33.560 have more contrast but 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.960 that shows an area that's certified to be served by DME by 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.639 co-serve and by TXU 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.759 so any of any of those utilities can serve load in that 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:43.360 area and I understand 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.199 that that DME is often not the provider for that area that 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:48.560 's off to the east and 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:51.710 that's the area that's represented by a lot of people here 00:03:51.710 --> 00:03:52.919 and then that purple 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.259 area is certified to be served by DME and co-serve you can 00:03:56.259 --> 00:03:59.400 also see there's the 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.280 the area that is within the city limits and that's the part 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:03.400 that has that red or 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.560 rather that black hash mark and then the the red signifies 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:07.759 the area that's in the 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:13.500 ETJ and then the blank area is simply outside of the city 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:17.480 limits all right 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.019 well back at the end of January we held an open house and 00:04:21.019 --> 00:04:22.279 we sent out 40 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.990 notifications for that meeting now the reason we sent out 00:04:24.990 --> 00:04:26.000 40 is because we send 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.839 out notifications for everyone within 500 feet that's 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:29.680 either a property owner 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.269 or a resident within 500 feet of any of the proposed 00:04:32.269 --> 00:04:35.199 options and we recognize 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.389 that there was a community to the east of that site that 00:04:38.389 --> 00:04:39.720 they wouldn't get 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.250 those notifications so we put out a large sign to try to 00:04:42.250 --> 00:04:43.240 attract attention 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.850 and in this time for this public hearing for the first time 00:04:45.850 --> 00:04:46.879 we've used next door 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.689 neighborhood based social network to try to get the word 00:04:50.689 --> 00:04:51.600 out so we're we're 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.930 trying to get the word out to that community and in fact 00:04:53.930 --> 00:04:54.699 they did show up in 00:04:54.699 --> 00:04:59.230 large numbers and filled out a lot of comment forms to show 00:04:59.230 --> 00:05:00.000 us their 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.920 preference for for which site they wanted and their 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.100 preference was was 00:05:04.100 --> 00:05:06.560 pretty clear the preference of that neighborhood you can 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:07.279 see the further 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:11.430 away it is over to the to the West the more they tended to 00:05:11.430 --> 00:05:13.519 like it and the more 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.850 it was on Hartley Field Road there's a clear preference 00:05:15.850 --> 00:05:17.120 that that it not be 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:21.069 there there was clear opposition to that to add a little 00:05:21.069 --> 00:05:22.639 bit of complexity to 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.170 this picture we also heard from the landowner there's one 00:05:25.170 --> 00:05:25.939 landowner that 00:05:25.939 --> 00:05:29.079 owns both the blue and the green side and that landowner 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:30.279 did not want to sell 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.439 they did not want to sell us the land and they didn't want 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:33.180 to substation put 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:37.360 there and also the school district indicated that they 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:38.279 would prefer that it 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:43.259 be on the other side of Sherman there so so over they 00:05:43.259 --> 00:05:45.439 preferred the yellow pink 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.389 and orange sides and so that adds some complexity to the to 00:05:48.389 --> 00:05:49.399 the reaction that 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:52.680 we've heard from the neighborhood this is a map showing 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.040 where those comments 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.259 came from you can see as I mentioned most of the comments 00:05:57.259 --> 00:05:59.040 came over from from 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:03.600 the east of the proposed options based on the feedback that 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:04.879 we heard at that 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.240 public hearing we heard people saying they didn't want it 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:09.240 close to Hartley 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.709 Field Road and so we've engineered a design that if the 00:06:12.709 --> 00:06:13.879 yellow site were 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.990 chosen it would push it up further north further away from 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:20.360 the road and here's a 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:24.139 closer layout of that blue site which is the other the 00:06:24.139 --> 00:06:25.680 other side of the two that 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.639 we think of have risen to the top this is just an overview 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:31.560 of the cost and it 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.050 doesn't it doesn't take into consideration which site we 00:06:35.050 --> 00:06:35.600 would build 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.779 on it again we can from an engineering perspective we can 00:06:37.779 --> 00:06:38.480 build on any of these 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.730 sites and we don't expect that total budget cost to change 00:06:42.730 --> 00:06:43.519 dramatically 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:48.839 depending on which site is chosen we've already had the 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:50.000 public open house of 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.050 course we're having the public hearing with pub right now 00:06:53.050 --> 00:06:55.480 and then if we if 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.720 we're so directed we'll hold a public hearing with the City 00:06:57.720 --> 00:06:58.519 Council and that 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.350 will be another evening meeting and that will give the City 00:07:01.350 --> 00:07:01.920 Council an 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:07.970 opportunity to choose a site I'll be happy to answer any 00:07:07.970 --> 00:07:10.319 questions any 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:16.480 questions of Brian Brian yes ma'am how did the city come to 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:17.360 own that property 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:21.800 the water department purchased that for a project that 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:22.360 never that never 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:34.079 materialized okay I'll leave any other members a map for so 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:34.800 you're you're 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:39.290 saying essentially the any either of those sites the 00:07:39.290 --> 00:07:40.399 budgets gonna be about 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:44.180 the cost is gonna be about the same from getting the 00:07:44.180 --> 00:07:46.720 getting to TMPA lines and 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:51.730 yes sir yes sir there will be some some transactional ease 00:07:51.730 --> 00:07:53.399 I suppose if we went 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.600 with the yellow site because the city already owns that 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.120 property and that 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.310 property owner for the blue and the green has indicated 00:07:59.310 --> 00:08:00.160 that they don't want 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.490 to sell and so that could make it a longer process a more 00:08:02.490 --> 00:08:03.079 contentious 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.730 process but we don't expect it to finally make a real 00:08:05.730 --> 00:08:06.959 substantial difference 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:15.980 on those estimated costs okay okay anybody else no thank 00:08:15.980 --> 00:08:18.759 you Brian okay we 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:27.319 do have we do have some requests from to speak I think we 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:28.480 have six requests and 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.069 what I'll do I'll call you if you if you don't mind when I 00:08:31.069 --> 00:08:32.519 call you if you'll 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:39.000 come up to the podium and state your name and address and 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.279 you know there's 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.289 there's only six typically three minutes I don't know if we 00:08:43.289 --> 00:08:44.840 even have a timer we 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:48.480 do have a timer okay you know if it takes you three and a 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:49.360 half or whatever 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.919 don't don't sweat it sometimes it takes a little longer to 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:53.879 get your point out so 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:58.049 we want to make sure everybody's heard and then we'll if 00:08:58.049 --> 00:09:00.360 any of the members of 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.379 the board have any questions of the speaker then we can do 00:09:04.379 --> 00:09:06.559 at that time so 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:12.529 we'll start off with Fritz pop poppy is that poppy thank 00:09:12.529 --> 00:09:15.440 you mr. poppy 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.190 oh I'm sorry if you'll go to the microphone please state 00:09:22.190 --> 00:09:22.600 your name and 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:29.259 address for the record Fritz poppy 2743 Hartley Field Road 00:09:29.259 --> 00:09:31.039 Denton I must speak 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:36.879 to the property that's in yellow initially in the 70s we 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:38.559 bought 40 acres 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:45.000 on Hartley Field Road and in the early 80s we sold 37 acres 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.639 off to a lady eye 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.889 doctor in Dallas and she subsequently sold the 16 acres to 00:09:50.889 --> 00:09:52.440 the city for that 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.090 proposed water project and then she quit paying us for the 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:57.399 balance and we had to 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:02.529 foreclose on on the other 20 acres but anyway since then we 00:10:02.529 --> 00:10:04.759 've lived on three 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:09.720 and a half acres approximately and that diagonal line is 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.360 our back property line 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.529 and from the start when I first heard about this project I 00:10:16.529 --> 00:10:17.919 said I really don't 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.929 want to cross the street from me and in our front yard the 00:10:21.929 --> 00:10:23.480 city already owns the 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:28.440 land it I said I don't mind that they put it on that 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:29.679 property but it should be 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.590 to the north end and not up against my fence line and that 00:10:33.590 --> 00:10:35.320 's also a little 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.879 lower level it's on high ground where the diagonal is is 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:40.240 almost to the top of 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:44.429 the hill and so you know if it's on the far north end of 00:10:44.429 --> 00:10:45.480 the property I don't 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:52.039 you know we'll hardly see it so that's my opinion on it I 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:52.960 said if they insist 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.250 on putting it up along my property line I'd like you to buy 00:10:56.250 --> 00:10:57.960 my property thank 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:06.559 you mr. poppy could you locate for your where you live 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:39.549 this is our home side and this is 2.7 acres thank you thank 00:11:39.549 --> 00:11:41.200 you 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:48.720 okay next we have Anita Weisner 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:01.960 I'm Anita Wozner I own two properties I own a property at 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:07.919 5512 Woodland Hills 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:12.320 Road which is just to the to the right of the yellow where 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:14.000 the blocks start and 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.269 also another one on the corner of Hartley Court and Hartley 00:12:17.269 --> 00:12:18.919 Field Road I've 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:23.029 been there in that area 43 years I've seen a lot of things 00:12:23.029 --> 00:12:24.639 change mostly the 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:29.289 junk man on the way in but at the same point I don't think 00:12:29.289 --> 00:12:30.720 it's fair to plop a 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.059 great big substation similar to the one down on Kings Row 00:12:34.059 --> 00:12:35.360 right behind where the 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.250 houses are when people have property values there that will 00:12:38.250 --> 00:12:39.039 go down because 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.879 of that thing it's huge it's bad enough we drive in 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.519 Hartley Field Road and have to see that mess on the left 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.360 without having to see 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:51.289 massive electrical things and towers and big whatever those 00:12:51.289 --> 00:12:52.720 are I understand we 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.240 need power out there I know there are houses coming I know 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.080 progress is good my 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.559 thing is why can't they put it where there are no houses at 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:00.440 the moment either 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.590 in blue or green doesn't really matter which but away from 00:13:04.590 --> 00:13:05.960 the houses so that 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.799 when they do come and progress does come which it will 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:10.200 houses will come they will 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.360 wind up selling that land eventually and the houses will 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:14.440 come they need the power 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.330 but put it where the people can get used to it where it's 00:13:17.330 --> 00:13:18.600 already existing and 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.720 they can say oh okay this is already here I know I'm moving 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:23.600 next to this not 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.440 by houses that have been there decades and decades and have 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:28.480 to go ooh now we 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:32.279 got to drive by that you know we've got so many things out 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:33.039 there already the big 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:36.250 towers out there the junk man's out there we've got a water 00:13:36.250 --> 00:13:37.000 park we can't 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.759 even get out on a Friday night if you live out in that area 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:40.679 you try to get out 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.679 and turn any direction you can't they run the stop sign on 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:45.100 Long Road 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:48.850 continuously there's traffic what this all boils down to is 00:13:48.850 --> 00:13:50.039 I just don't think 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.110 and I think I have a lot of people that are behind me that 00:13:52.110 --> 00:13:52.840 that particular 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.490 yellow pink or orange are going to be good viable spots for 00:13:56.490 --> 00:13:57.240 the neighborhood 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:01.409 and if they want to be good neighbors and do things that 00:14:01.409 --> 00:14:02.919 would help us or at 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.120 least lean towards our favor I think green or blue would be 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:07.720 optimum and I 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.610 understand they don't own that land but I just don't think 00:14:10.610 --> 00:14:11.559 putting another 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:14.379 unsightly something else on Hartley Field Road is fair I 00:14:14.379 --> 00:14:15.320 just don't think 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.279 it's right so that's pretty much about all I have to say 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:21.679 but I hope that they 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.269 understand and realize that if they lived any one of you 00:14:24.269 --> 00:14:25.399 lived out there you'd 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:28.570 understand driving down every day nobody wants to go by a 00:14:28.570 --> 00:14:29.799 junkyard or by great 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.740 big electrical whatever it is if it were over to the side 00:14:33.740 --> 00:14:34.799 in the field either 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.789 green or blue it would be out of the way it wouldn't be uns 00:14:37.789 --> 00:14:38.799 ightly you wouldn't 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.399 really see much of it from our point of view and those that 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:43.600 move into that area 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.480 when it becomes developed won't have to worry with oh I don 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:47.720 't want one here it's 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:49.840 already there it's been there you bought a house there you 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.080 knew it was there so I 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:55.519 guess that's all I have to say I just wanted to say how 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:56.879 very unhappy I am and 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.850 very disappointed that they chose a place on Hartley Field 00:15:00.850 --> 00:15:01.440 Road that's it 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:06.879 thank you question does anybody have any questions 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:10.720 I've got one question mr. poppy alluded to the fact that 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.799 there was a rise and 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:17.360 then a little bump it slopes down to the to the north a 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.559 little bit yes is and I 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:24.940 guess and I understand driving by it you know you don't 00:15:24.940 --> 00:15:25.559 want to drive by that 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.929 those there's no there's there's not many ways to make 00:15:27.929 --> 00:15:28.919 these things pretty 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:32.169 yeah yeah I understand that and it's not a tiny hill I mean 00:15:32.169 --> 00:15:33.000 it's not a big hill 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.840 it's you know I'm just we're not talking a mountain that's 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:36.679 gonna hide it I wish 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:43.320 yeah if if I guess if we put it as far north if the station 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:44.519 went as far north 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.240 as it could I mean I'm sure to be better having it right on 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.000 Hartley Field Road 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:55.309 but still I'm just trying to find if there is there 00:15:55.309 --> 00:15:56.279 somewhere on that and 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.389 that's what we all are trying to do in our neighborhood 00:15:58.389 --> 00:15:59.399 yeah in my neighborhood 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.370 we're just trying to find a happy medium for everybody not 00:16:02.370 --> 00:16:03.320 just for one but for 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.909 everybody and it's just gonna be really hard like I say 00:16:06.909 --> 00:16:07.759 most of us have lived 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.950 out there decades and our property values are fair but you 00:16:10.950 --> 00:16:11.799 start putting 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:13.600 something like that in people aren't gonna want to come 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:14.399 down the road they 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.750 aren't gonna want to come to that neighborhood they're 00:16:16.750 --> 00:16:17.559 gonna go oh gee I 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.860 don't want to live next to that which there's only one 00:16:20.860 --> 00:16:21.919 other person other 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.889 than poor mr. poppy that would be right on top of it would 00:16:24.889 --> 00:16:26.039 be further down in 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.039 that big white spot in between the yellow and the red line 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:31.279 right and that 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.620 is currently owned by someone that we can't really do 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:36.879 anything about well we'd 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:43.320 like to but we won't that's not legal all right so anyway 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:44.960 we call code 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.679 enforcement all we can y'all just don't have enough codes 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:48.679 for that but anyway 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.039 that's neither here nor there we're not on that right now 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:52.639 the big thing with the 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.690 substation is visual for us yeah you know it's hard enough 00:16:55.690 --> 00:16:56.600 for us to get out 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.240 on a Friday night there's no stoplight on Long Road no 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.820 nothing if they put that 00:17:00.820 --> 00:17:03.879 down there maybe people would take an extra second maybe 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:05.599 you know not that 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:09.220 that has to do with traffic but people slow down a bit when 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:10.480 there's great big 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.970 things right beside you I know that sounds kind of 00:17:13.970 --> 00:17:15.440 irrelevant but they do 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.650 they have children in the car except or right now there's 00:17:17.650 --> 00:17:18.480 nothing but a field 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.240 they hit that and they don't even stop it's we call it a ro 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:22.539 llo because they 00:17:22.539 --> 00:17:26.559 roll right up and load on up so it's hard enough to get on 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:27.920 Sherman Drive and 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.130 visually it's a beautiful place out there if you've never 00:17:30.130 --> 00:17:30.880 been out there it's 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.880 fields it's gorgeous except for one little itty-bitty spot 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:35.559 and we don't want 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.579 two spots one is googops we really we got googops trust me 00:17:39.579 --> 00:17:40.680 come down Hartley 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.109 Field Road look left we got googops we don't need something 00:17:44.109 --> 00:17:45.000 else unsightly out 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.660 there really and I know we need power I'm not disputing 00:17:48.660 --> 00:17:50.599 that at all growth is 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:52.670 coming I hear they're gonna put a bunch of houses out on 00:17:52.670 --> 00:17:53.519 Hartley Field Airport 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.599 which is the great big square way way way down Hartley 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.039 Field Road so there are 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:00.920 houses coming they are gonna need power but I don't see any 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:01.920 reason they can't 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:06.890 get it from the green or the blue in my opinion okay so 00:18:06.890 --> 00:18:08.079 thank you thank you for 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:17.680 your comments next we have Sharon Kramer 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:35.119 if you would okay okay thank you thank you for getting the 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:35.799 name right it is 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:41.039 Sharon Kramer good job thank that he is disconcerting so I 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:42.559 've lived in my spot 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:48.170 yes addresses three five seven four pine trail which is 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:48.640 just off of 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:53.140 Hartley Field Road okay and I've lived there since 1979 and 00:18:53.140 --> 00:18:54.559 what you all don't 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:59.099 know is the condition of Hartley Field Road it's not gonna 00:18:59.099 --> 00:19:00.160 it's not going to 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.619 stand up well to the construction of a substation there we 00:19:03.619 --> 00:19:04.880 all remember the 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:09.839 construction on Kings Row and the jam it caused on the loop 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.200 and those are divided 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.890 two lanes during the entire construction and the Kings Row 00:19:15.890 --> 00:19:17.000 was a little bit off 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:21.539 the loop so to put something that you can only access off 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:22.960 of Hartley Field 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:28.569 which is barely two lanes and there's no division a county 00:19:28.569 --> 00:19:30.000 is responsible for it 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:34.960 right about where you're gonna need to access that and 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:36.519 again as as you just 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.799 heard you're putting it in an established a neighborhood 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:41.240 and it will 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.000 impact our property values and it will impact our view the 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:46.039 blue and the 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:49.460 group the the blue and the green neighborhoods not 00:19:49.460 --> 00:19:51.559 established you already 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:57.809 have a sort of non-neighborhood complex with the water park 00:19:57.809 --> 00:19:59.960 there and you've got 00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:03.380 a couple of other different ways to get to your 00:20:03.380 --> 00:20:05.759 construction site hauling big 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.630 trucks in to do construction and getting them on that 00:20:08.630 --> 00:20:09.680 getting them onto 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:12.299 Hartley Field off of Sherman Drive we're all going to be 00:20:12.299 --> 00:20:14.519 taking the back roads to 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.160 get out in the mornings and in the evenings during the long 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:17.839 construction 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:24.930 period just not it's not an optimal site to put something 00:20:24.930 --> 00:20:25.799 that big in a 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:31.410 neighborhood that is already established so I have really 00:20:31.410 --> 00:20:32.799 nothing much new to add 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:38.210 but an iteration of construction problems and kind of bad 00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:40.559 neighbor policy 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:49.119 okay any questions no thank you very much thanks for your 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:49.960 comments 00:20:53.480 --> 00:21:01.480 next speaker we have is Ned Woodbridge mr. Woodbridge 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:10.839 good morning I'm Ned Woodbridge 3596 Hartley Field Road 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:12.039 excuse me thank you 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.319 for providing the opportunity for us to speak this morning 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.440 appreciate it I'm 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.609 not going to speak in I don't recall an opposition because 00:21:21.609 --> 00:21:22.839 I want to say that I 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.400 recognize the need for DME to support growth in the 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.039 community and an 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.259 understanding that the access for the axis for growth will 00:21:33.259 --> 00:21:34.640 be northward along 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.940 Sherman Drive 428 understand the need to you know to 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:39.799 service that area 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:47.359 potentially however I do think that that you know one you 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:49.200 know I question why are 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.519 we locating this so close to existing substations you know 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:54.759 this is about a 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:59.309 half a mile from you know the 288 loop Kings Row substation 00:21:59.309 --> 00:22:00.400 it's less probably 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.539 a mile from that from the Denton North substation you know 00:22:04.539 --> 00:22:05.519 you look at it you 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.710 look at the map and you can see that it's that you know it 00:22:08.710 --> 00:22:09.759 's very crowded 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.759 right in here you know it doesn't look to me like that that 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:14.599 is optimum 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.859 placement for for such a substation that the optimum 00:22:17.859 --> 00:22:19.559 placement will be further 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:24.019 north along that axis of growth so that's kind of point 00:22:24.019 --> 00:22:25.400 number one point 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:32.369 number two is I you know as other speakers this morning 00:22:32.369 --> 00:22:33.279 have indicated I 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.849 think this is this will significantly impact really the 00:22:36.849 --> 00:22:38.240 pleasurable use of our 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:43.849 homes in our community and also it you know this will be 00:22:43.849 --> 00:22:45.000 will cause a 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:50.009 diminution property values if we place this on the yellow 00:22:50.009 --> 00:22:50.279 zone right here along 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:54.420 Berkeley Field Road or on the we talked about the pink or 00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:58.680 the orange the you 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:05.910 know a electric substation is is a substantial you know 00:23:05.910 --> 00:23:07.119 fixture and that 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.190 would occur you just go look at the ones that have been 00:23:09.190 --> 00:23:10.440 built recently around and 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.329 there's no question it's not just the substation itself 00:23:13.329 --> 00:23:14.599 which is surrounded by 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:17.930 walls it has but it has high structure that can be seen 00:23:17.930 --> 00:23:19.359 from quite a distance 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.779 it also there would be power lines coming in and out and 00:23:22.779 --> 00:23:24.000 emanating from it 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.779 you know there there's certainly one that would pass 00:23:26.779 --> 00:23:28.160 through at this time but I 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.069 could imagine ultimately there might be others that would 00:23:31.069 --> 00:23:32.160 emanate from it like a 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.930 spider like the legs of a spider going out to serve the 00:23:34.930 --> 00:23:36.680 community so it's more 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:42.359 than just you know than what we might see right now thirdly 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:43.880 and I don't know 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.539 much veracity to put in this but you know there certainly 00:23:46.539 --> 00:23:47.480 are potential health 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.309 implications there are studies I've read the studies that 00:23:50.309 --> 00:23:51.240 are out there that 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.789 that suggests that there may be health implications for for 00:23:54.789 --> 00:23:55.920 communities that 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.920 live too close to power stations and power you know the 00:23:58.920 --> 00:23:59.960 high voltage power 00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:03.259 lines that's that's clearly in dispute you know there but 00:24:03.259 --> 00:24:04.440 then we just want to 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.150 put that on the table that there are there are studies that 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:08.799 are out there and 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.640 I guess I also my last thing I want to conclude that it's 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.559 for me it's better to 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.619 locate if we need to locate it within this route this this 00:24:15.619 --> 00:24:16.599 area and as I said 00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:20.089 up I think that probably be better located further up north 00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:21.160 along the axis 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.119 of growth for the community that it would be the we do it 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:27.279 on the west side 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:32.230 of Sherman Drive which is in either the blue or the or the 00:24:32.230 --> 00:24:36.000 green areas thank you 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.599 sorry I didn't have a mic on them still getting used to 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.640 this thank you next we 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:57.500 have Anne Woodbridge okay just it's not noted on the card 00:24:57.500 --> 00:25:00.799 okay okay your comment 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.690 comments I'll read the comments that's okay comments were 00:25:03.690 --> 00:25:04.400 to locate the 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:04.400 substation on the west side of 428 away from existing 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:10.000 residential yeah thank 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:20.119 you okay and David Cullen Cullen yes 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:30.480 names David Culkin actually live in Austin Texas but I am 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:31.519 my sister and I are 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.640 the owners of the property on which the blue and the green 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:36.039 site are located it's 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:41.000 been the family for decades it's an old family farm it's 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:41.680 still operated as a 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.940 farm today I am here I to voice my opposition to the site 00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:46.599 for a number of 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:51.670 reasons you know over the years we've we've seen the area 00:25:51.670 --> 00:25:53.319 grow we've had the 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.079 gas pipeline that easement come across the property of 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:57.240 course the power lines 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:01.160 across the property those those additions over time have 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:01.599 obviously 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:04.400 subdivided the property in some ways but you know the long- 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:05.359 term future in 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.109 invariably for that area and for that property is probably 00:26:08.109 --> 00:26:08.920 going to be some 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:13.289 kind of development probably for homes but you know every 00:26:13.289 --> 00:26:14.839 time a site plan has 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.609 been sort of reviewed for that sort of thing most of the 00:26:17.609 --> 00:26:19.240 access for that kind 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.519 of thing is going to be in this part of the property so a 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.000 substation would have 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.430 substantial impact on that the ability for that to be done 00:26:28.430 --> 00:26:29.720 I'd also point out 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.299 the site as it's currently planned I mean if everybody's 00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:34.400 been up there that's 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.589 really just sort of out in the middle of a field so in 00:26:36.589 --> 00:26:37.759 terms of visibility there 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:39.910 would be this would be something that would be visible for 00:26:39.910 --> 00:26:40.960 the community for 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.480 forever going forward it's right there on the roadside 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.240 there's really no there's 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.019 no geography that's going to really hide this site so in 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:50.519 terms of its impact for 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.500 any kind of development it would be substantial we do 00:26:53.500 --> 00:26:54.799 oppose it because we 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.240 know that it would greatly diminish the value of the 00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:58.480 overall property that 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:02.450 particular property is 237 acres but again as I say a lot 00:27:02.450 --> 00:27:03.799 of the access for 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:08.900 it is long for 28 and for a long road for that reason again 00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:10.400 I I don't think 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.730 it's the best of the community I do appreciate of course 00:27:12.730 --> 00:27:13.480 for folks who are 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:15.809 already out there how this impacts them but I think the 00:27:15.809 --> 00:27:16.759 other way to look at it 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.470 this is that there are many more people who will be living 00:27:19.470 --> 00:27:20.359 in this area in the 00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.660 future and this site as it's proposed right now will have a 00:27:23.660 --> 00:27:24.400 huge negative 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:30.490 impact for them and honestly everybody in the area so thank 00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:33.720 you any questions 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.680 I have just a couple questions I know that and I know we 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.279 can't see the aerial 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.339 here but you're talking about the power lines that came 00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:45.039 through can you kind of 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.960 point on the map where the power lines go through now 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:55.279 approximately okay so this 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.640 dotted line okay so it basically the southern border of the 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.160 green and the 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:04.160 northern border the blue there 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.650 we've spent a reasonable amount actually having you know 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:22.640 some engineering firms 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.000 look at what site development would eventually look like in 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.319 every case this 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.869 part of the property is one of the sort of more key parts 00:28:30.869 --> 00:28:31.960 for that access 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.200 especially if we want to have access that doesn't drive 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:36.559 more traffic in front 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.559 of the school district in front of the buildings there so 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.160 again this kind of a 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.950 substation would would greatly reduce the sort of 00:28:44.950 --> 00:28:46.680 flexibility associated with 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.730 development in the area but again it's also as you can see 00:28:49.730 --> 00:28:50.400 even just from 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.779 looking at the satellite imagery you're really out in 00:28:52.779 --> 00:28:54.039 exposed field so out here 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:57.099 there would be no hiding this substation it would be 00:28:57.099 --> 00:28:59.359 visible from you know from 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.470 every direction honestly and something that would be my 00:29:03.470 --> 00:29:04.440 opinion be an eyesore 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.400 honestly for the area but again a big impact on our 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.480 property so okay all right 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:19.119 thank you thank you thanks for your comments you bet okay 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:20.279 those are those 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:24.029 are all the requests to speak is there any other anybody 00:29:24.029 --> 00:29:25.880 here that would like 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:30.900 to speak that has not filled out a card or had a chance yes 00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:33.799 ma'am if you'll come 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:45.240 up to the podium please okay yeah I'm sorry yeah 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:52.329 if you'll just state your name and address and then into 00:29:52.329 --> 00:29:52.680 the 00:29:54.200 --> 00:30:01.569 well anyway our property almost joins this the it's the 00:30:01.569 --> 00:30:04.240 back of it we've been 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:09.440 out there we bought the land in 68 we didn't build until 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:10.799 our children got 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.240 pretty big that was a good idea because we didn't want to 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:15.960 have to scoot kids 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:21.019 back and forth I'm a retired teacher so I always consider 00:30:21.019 --> 00:30:23.680 kids the only thing I 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.819 would say is that I don't really approve of having one of 00:30:27.819 --> 00:30:29.359 those across from a 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:37.920 school I know that anyway that's not what I came up here to 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.559 say the do you 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:47.160 know or do any of you know if the land I don't know maybe 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.799 mr. poppy knows but 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.900 anyway at one time when the city was going to put gigantic 00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:55.240 towers out there 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.690 we fought and fought and fought for that and they finally 00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:01.200 decided not to do it 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:06.259 but anyway they said that there would be an easement or a 00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:08.839 road going down to 428 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.500 I don't know if that's a big deal but it's a little bit 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:12.599 better than doing it 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:20.240 doing it on for on Hartley field I agree that the traffic 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:21.640 is out there is just 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.319 unbelievable especially every week when they have a bicycle 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.680 thing they stop the 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:31.640 traffic down there going into the natatorium and all so it 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:32.799 's really a you 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:38.180 know hardship to try to get out but that do you know if the 00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:40.240 city actually went 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:47.049 through with buying an easement to get out on 40 for 28 do 00:31:47.049 --> 00:31:56.319 any of you know sure 00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:02.799 you're talking about going back to 428 from the property 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:06.559 yes I got you okay I 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:12.559 understood they they had had the easement but evidently 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.480 didn't but anyway 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:22.900 the thing also that I worry about it are this lines I don't 00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:24.119 know which way they're 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.579 going they would have to go over our property something the 00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:29.319 other thing is 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:38.220 that the what do you call it sewer place my mind is crazy 00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:41.079 but it's down Hartley 00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:47.390 field - when they start building it or maybe it's already 00:32:47.390 --> 00:32:48.920 built we don't know 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.700 because you can't get in see it down there but it's out of 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:53.839 the way but they 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.799 have trucks that come and go in there I don't know what 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.880 they're doing but anyway 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:05.819 I'm sure that that would have to serve that down there so 00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:06.880 that would be more 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:12.049 you know people going back and forth we don't even have a 00:33:12.049 --> 00:33:13.799 turn lane up there I 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:19.630 guess everybody up there realizes we have to cross a double 00:33:19.630 --> 00:33:21.359 line to get in to 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:28.519 Woodland Hills now the long road you know has a big turn 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.160 you know thing which 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.240 they need that but we also need a turn line up there 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:36.920 because it's right at the 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:42.329 top of the hill right next to the water park and you know 00:33:42.329 --> 00:33:43.240 you just come up that 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:48.200 way and if you're coming from this way you have to cross 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:49.960 over you know traffic 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.230 which isn't legal but you have to get in there something 00:33:53.230 --> 00:33:55.640 like would you do me a 00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.640 favor before you just your night would you state your name 00:33:58.640 --> 00:33:59.680 and address I don't 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.839 think we ever just for the record so we have it and into 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:03.839 the 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:12.320 and 5547 Woodland Hills that's okay that's all right 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.960 okay 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:54.239 you know where the water comes from it's where the water 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.429 comes from it fills up that pond you know all the time most 00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:04.579 of the time it doesn't even go down very much but you have 00:35:04.579 --> 00:35:08.699 to consider that too when you're starting to build 00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:08.960 something. 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:18.869 okay we're not picking any of this up in the microphone I'm 00:35:18.869 --> 00:35:20.440 sorry I'm used to 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:27.289 talking loud forgot what I was gonna say now but anyway the 00:35:27.289 --> 00:35:29.519 I don't really mind 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:33.739 the place because most of those they're trying to you know 00:35:33.739 --> 00:35:35.199 fix them up so that 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:39.139 they look pretty good and it probably would in you know 00:35:39.139 --> 00:35:40.360 would help our back 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:46.159 fence you know but the wires you know which way they go and 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:47.400 all like that we 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.619 feel sure that they'll go down to the water place down 00:35:51.619 --> 00:35:53.639 there and so they that 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.239 would have to come across our property you know so that's 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.079 all okay thank you 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:06.440 thanks for your comments question of a question of staff 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.519 about Hartley Road and 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.480 Sherman Drive out that far am I correct are these county 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.880 roads and that's who 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.119 would be dealing with the maintenance and repair that's an 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:21.679 excellent question 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:27.909 and I wonder if there's there's someone with an answer it 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:30.280 looks like Phil does 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.260 so Sherman drives far in the market road that would be Tex 00:36:35.260 --> 00:36:36.800 dot the internal 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.420 Hartley Field and I'm thinking the first part of Hartley 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:40.639 Field is in the city and 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:49.210 it turns at the sea limits to a county road thank you okay 00:36:49.210 --> 00:36:52.280 is there any anyone 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.239 else who would like to I'm sorry we have someone in the 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:02.039 back there yes I'm 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.170 Elizabeth Faring and I live in the Hartley Field area on C 00:37:05.170 --> 00:37:06.519 oyote Point we're 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:12.130 not in the city but we're in the EJT ETJ one of those I 00:37:12.130 --> 00:37:14.039 just wanted to say we I 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:18.210 we do have a substation now on Kingsrow as you all know and 00:37:18.210 --> 00:37:19.519 I would like there 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:24.030 to be equitable sharing of the joy of having a substation 00:37:24.030 --> 00:37:26.000 so close and so if 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.960 there is possibility find another spot and within the city 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.239 because that's a lot 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.760 of substations really close and especially to follow up on 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:35.840 what Ned said 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.059 if there is any kind of health issues in there may or may 00:37:40.059 --> 00:37:41.960 not be but certainly we 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.380 would be in the crossfire so just to consider that maybe 00:37:45.380 --> 00:37:46.480 you could look a 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.239 little bit more thank you 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:59.400 there anyone else who would like to speak again is there 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:05.840 anyone any public who'd like to speak for the fill that 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:06.039 part I do have some 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:10.280 cards I'll read those after we finish all the speakers so I 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.280 'll ask one more time if there's anybody else who'd like to 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:18.159 speak on behalf in opposition or in favor of any of these 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:26.360 proposed sites hearing none then we will I'll read these 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:27.440 into the public hearing 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:33.219 section these are we did not want to wish to speak but did 00:38:33.219 --> 00:38:33.519 fill out a comment 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:40.320 card Jerry McClendon 2729 Hartman Court comments were the 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.639 area on Hartman Field Road 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:47.250 near the use car lot is not a place for substation road too 00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:48.519 narrow for work 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.739 crew and too congested for all please reconsider plan on 00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:55.639 placement of substation 00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:03.380 we also have a comment card from Senator Marsh at 5513 Wood 00:39:03.380 --> 00:39:04.280 land Hills Drive 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:12.280 and I am against the proposed site on Hartley Field 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.730 anybody that's one more time there's any other anybody who 00:39:20.730 --> 00:39:21.320 'd like to make a 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:28.400 comment in the comment section go to me if not then we'll 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:29.599 close the public 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:52.000 hearing let us I guess they couldn't hear me so they any 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.119 any member of the 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.739 committee who would like to make a comment or have 00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:00.840 questions or see see 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:09.840 any more information I do have Brendan I wonder at the when 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:10.840 we presented this to 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.590 the public did we present a GIS option did we show them 00:40:14.590 --> 00:40:16.239 images of what gas 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.239 insulated substations look like as opposed to the ones that 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:19.719 they're 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.170 commenting on no sir there's no there's no presentation of 00:40:23.170 --> 00:40:24.519 a GIS option was that 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.400 not a consideration at all you know those are those are 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:28.480 pretty unusual 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.079 substations to build and so it wasn't one that we 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:32.840 considered for this site I 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.159 guess I thought that at the last the last time we ran into 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:37.800 a situation where 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:44.239 the public was concerned about its view was over there on 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:45.599 Eagle the Eagle 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.190 substation and I thought we were going to kind of roll that 00:40:48.190 --> 00:40:48.599 into our 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:53.030 consideration of substations just as generally so due to 00:40:53.030 --> 00:40:54.480 the doubling of cost 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.440 the cost for GIS substation usually those have been used in 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:00.119 places where 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.000 there's very limited amount of land available okay and so 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:03.960 that's not the 00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.429 case here it's not the limitation of land would drive it to 00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:07.079 us it'd be for 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:11.329 appearance only but the the main reason it hadn't been 00:41:11.329 --> 00:41:12.400 considered is because the 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:18.880 doubling of cost here and access to open land okay okay and 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.039 a few people 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.099 mentioned the Kings Row substation and I guess what I'm 00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:24.599 noticing here by this map 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.719 is that it's actually on a 69 kilovolt line and this is on 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:30.880 a different line altogether. 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.760 That's a very good observation yes that is the reason for 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:34.760 placing this one in 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.750 this location is these are on two different transmission 00:41:37.750 --> 00:41:39.559 line circuits to 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.699 point about locating this substation site further up 00:41:43.699 --> 00:41:45.360 Sherman driver further 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.800 north you drag with that a transmission line going up and 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.159 down with that and so 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.230 that's a reason we're trying to stay along the existing 00:41:55.230 --> 00:41:56.360 transmission line 00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.300 route is so we don't have to build additional transmission 00:41:59.300 --> 00:42:00.599 lines because 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.469 no do as well received as our substations so trying to just 00:42:04.469 --> 00:42:05.119 make use of 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:10.920 what we have do do we anticipate any additional lines in 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:11.920 and out of this 00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.750 particular substation or just as one line in and one line 00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:15.559 out like we're 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.840 saying this one line in one line out okay okay okay thank 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:23.719 you okay Barbara is 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:29.079 this the northern most we looked at these sites is this a 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:30.559 site the yellow 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.329 site is that the northern location that you're talking 00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:35.960 about now as opposed to 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.280 the earlier one no we're just located here is where we 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:39.960 originally took it to 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.199 open house since then taking in and figured out the 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:44.960 engineering could take 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.409 it buried to the north piece of that property all the way 00:42:48.409 --> 00:42:49.239 to the top piece 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.349 that property so this would move up this yellow side okay 00:42:52.349 --> 00:42:53.920 so would the diagonal 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.000 line on the west would that also be moved up yes there 00:42:59.000 --> 00:42:59.760 would be lines that 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.719 would go in and out from the structures there but had to be 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.719 like one span so it 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.480 wouldn't be a common line between mr. poppies property and 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.559 the substation it 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.619 would be adjoining that line yes but but the structures we 00:43:15.619 --> 00:43:16.760 would build to just go 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:21.849 off that line into one span in one span out to northern 00:43:21.849 --> 00:43:24.000 part of that property 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:37.920 okay anyone else questions no thank you okay 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:43.320 are there any any member who would like to make a 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.840 recommendation at this time 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.719 this will again this is headed for more than likely another 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:51.360 public hearing with 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:59.239 City Council but we are we are asked to consider making a 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:00.119 recommendation to the 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:08.469 council on which site would would be preferable so I'll 00:44:08.469 --> 00:44:11.840 open that up to anyone 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:28.500 stuff decision I know you know one thing is we've done in 00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:30.320 the past is to show 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.079 some renderings of some of these substations on what the 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:35.360 view is like what 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.929 it looks like from a ground level I think that would be 00:44:38.929 --> 00:44:40.920 very helpful and I 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:46.320 don't know if we did that at the open house but it's it 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.239 could be I'm curious 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.429 about on the yellow side the slope of the hill how that's 00:44:51.429 --> 00:44:52.440 affected really what 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.050 you can see from Hartley Field and from other areas it 00:44:58.050 --> 00:45:01.360 doesn't sound like it's a 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:06.550 huge mountain but you know I think probably just and it may 00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:07.599 it may look 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.420 worse than what everybody imagines it may but I'm thinking 00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:11.280 it's gonna look 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:16.159 better than what we're imagining I'm kind of maybe that's 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:16.840 why we're not 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.150 getting a recommendation from from this board is because of 00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:21.639 that yes sir to 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.469 answer your question we didn't have a photo simulation for 00:45:23.469 --> 00:45:24.000 this one we can 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.400 certainly order one those tend to take about four weeks to 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:27.159 get and so it would 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.769 take some amount of time before we would have that in hand 00:45:29.769 --> 00:45:30.280 but we can 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:37.320 certainly do that okay yes Marla okay the same number of 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.719 lines going in and 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:45.210 out or what we see right now is that correct Phil saying 00:45:45.210 --> 00:45:49.119 yes transmission 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:53.340 lines yes so in this one there'll be eight feeders coming 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.059 out probably so 00:45:55.059 --> 00:45:57.170 those are distribution lines distribution lines will come 00:45:57.170 --> 00:45:57.340 out 00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:00.559 underground go out to the main street like Sherman Drive 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:01.840 and come up overhead 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:07.050 there that won't increase I'll have to say I've lived in 00:46:07.050 --> 00:46:08.559 the area of the old 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:15.590 Kings Row substation for 40 plus years and I've tried to 00:46:15.590 --> 00:46:17.440 sell property where 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:21.360 they ran across the back lines and some people would object 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.079 but it basically 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:28.119 didn't make a difference the houses sold and I remember the 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:29.239 research on that 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:33.739 people got sick from this and I'm totally unaware of 00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:35.079 anything I know that 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.469 research was done but I don't know that there was a 00:46:38.469 --> 00:46:40.199 positive thing about it 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:46.389 causing people any help health issues and I when we were 00:46:46.389 --> 00:46:48.719 looking at the other 00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:53.090 King that other station nearby I went over there because 00:46:53.090 --> 00:46:53.960 some of the neighbors 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.340 said there's a lot of noise I didn't hear a lot of noise I 00:46:58.340 --> 00:46:59.280 hear more from 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:04.239 airplanes going overhead than I heard from from the subst 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:05.840 ation so I don't know 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.130 that that's going to be a problem and I don't know that 00:47:09.130 --> 00:47:10.719 that research of health 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:16.889 issues was ever substantiated to respond to that World 00:47:16.889 --> 00:47:18.360 Health Organization did a 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.519 study it was very conclusive study about a decade ago of 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.480 concerned about that and 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.489 certainly if anyone be concerned about be people that work 00:47:28.489 --> 00:47:29.360 around electric 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:34.800 lines day in day out we were concerned for our employees 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.760 health as far as far 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:41.639 as well as the health of neighbors next door they did not 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.000 find any correlation 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.550 between that although it been suggested our prior studies 00:47:47.550 --> 00:47:48.760 theirs were pretty 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.639 conclusive as far as once you got the distance of the East 00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:52.400 man away from 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.639 electric lines the effects were noticeable on the health of 00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:58.320 people next 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.139 door going back to the King Joe substation that you 00:48:02.139 --> 00:48:03.360 mentioned the 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.820 original King Joe substation when it was built was built 00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:06.639 out the middle of the 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:12.820 country and as you saw houses built right next door I mean 00:48:12.820 --> 00:48:14.199 back up to us 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.400 enough so that we've learned our lesson that we want more 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:18.519 buffer on most of 00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.579 substations in the future and that's what we try to do and 00:48:21.579 --> 00:48:22.480 that's what we're 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.940 trying to do in this situation is get out ahead of the 00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:25.800 growth and get a 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:34.400 substation out in this site before growth happens okay yes 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:35.320 Charlie feel 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.199 before you sit down you mentioned the distribution lines 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:39.119 going out to Sherman 00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.019 Drive would you give us the indication of where and I 00:48:42.019 --> 00:48:43.239 assume that be a right 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.800 away involved in that yes I'm looking at my engineers here 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:48.840 as far as I don't know 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.300 who got as far enough design yet to determine where the 00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:52.320 distribution features 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.599 will come out I doubt we have 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.909 and so they would come out they would come out from the 00:49:06.909 --> 00:49:08.639 substation probably 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.139 half would come out to Sherman Drive another half would 00:49:11.139 --> 00:49:11.800 come out Hartley 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:16.480 Field Road and they would come out underground initially 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:17.360 and then go 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:20.329 with the overhead lines down the road probably a span or 00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:21.320 two away from the 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.320 substation 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:36.920 no not planned I say no plan right now there's not I say 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:37.719 not let me correct 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.530 that there's no plan right now there's nothing we served in 00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:42.159 that direction if 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.309 in the future there was a development happened that we 00:49:44.309 --> 00:49:45.519 served then yes there 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:47.590 would be lines going down if that was lines would happen no 00:49:47.590 --> 00:49:48.280 matter where we 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:52.920 served from from this substation or one down the road 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.400 existing area yes 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.309 Terrell if you won't recognize anybody from the other one 00:50:09.309 --> 00:50:22.280 sorry yes yes I mean 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:26.000 every every substation has different topography located to 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:27.239 it that one that 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.610 one was very challenging because it was kind of built into 00:50:29.610 --> 00:50:30.440 the side of the hill 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.150 and this one in the yellow side would have some of those 00:50:34.150 --> 00:50:35.559 same issues as far as 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:39.440 the hill being there 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.679 so that was just a question I just raised to my engineering 00:50:58.679 --> 00:50:59.920 staff was for us 00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:04.880 to if a decision was made here probably before the City 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:06.039 Council public hearing 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:09.429 for us to investigate the possibility of an access easement 00:51:09.429 --> 00:51:10.280 for construction 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:13.000 traffic take the construction traffic off or you fit Harley 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:14.280 Field Road not 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.099 committing that just saying we'll look into it and see if 00:51:17.099 --> 00:51:18.239 that's a possibility 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:22.599 in that way to take the construction traffic off of there 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:29.360 okay any other questions of the board members of Phil or 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.440 still ask if there's 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:40.000 any recommendation for a site from anybody or some 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.159 something we can pass 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:47.119 along to the council with our comments or recommendations 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:48.159 if you want to 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:53.539 eliminate some sites or make some suggestions that might be 00:51:53.539 --> 00:51:54.960 helpful but Mr. 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:58.320 Chairman yes Charlie I'd like to make a recommendation okay 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.000 I recommend that we 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.429 send forth the option of the yellow site with the provision 00:52:03.429 --> 00:52:05.199 that it be sited on 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:10.809 the northernmost edge of the property and that DME does 00:52:10.809 --> 00:52:13.599 investigate the option 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:18.559 of having a right away for construction purposes okay back 00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.519 to the West back to 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:28.519 428 okay okay that's stated in a motion I guess okay is 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:29.360 there a second to that 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:36.920 motion I'll second second by Susan any discussion on that I 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.760 think although 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.820 everybody except one gentleman was here to speak in 00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:45.360 opposition to the yellow 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.420 site it it unfortunately seems to make the most sense and I 00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:52.719 know that it's 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:58.420 unsightly I live two blocks from the West Oak Hickory 00:52:58.420 --> 00:53:00.079 Street substation the 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:03.139 big giant one that's right there on the west side of our 00:53:03.139 --> 00:53:03.920 town that's actually 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.550 being built there's already one there and I think that's a 00:53:07.550 --> 00:53:08.320 hit that we 00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.750 sometimes take to to provide the electrical infrastructure 00:53:12.750 --> 00:53:13.599 that we're 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:20.309 looking for I would encourage you to to hold to hold the 00:53:20.309 --> 00:53:22.360 city to any any options 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:27.320 that you have like for the construction easement for any 00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.000 kinds of aesthetic 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.440 improvements that can be made the the substation that I was 00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:34.320 just speaking of 00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:41.239 the Hickory Street substation yeah a committee was created 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.599 to come up with 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.579 aesthetic wall coverings and some other things so if this 00:53:46.579 --> 00:53:48.000 does end up being in 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.920 your neighborhood I think that you should push for those 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:51.880 types of things to 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.239 make it more visually attractive to you that seemed to be 00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:56.159 the bulk of the 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.119 complaint was that it was visually unattractive and they 00:53:59.119 --> 00:53:59.760 are indeed 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:07.179 visually unattractive okay other comments no we have a 00:54:07.179 --> 00:54:08.119 motion a second on 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:14.559 the floor all in favor say aye any opposed same sign okay 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.039 thank you motion 00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:23.409 passes to recommend the yellow site then to the City 00:54:23.409 --> 00:54:26.480 Council thank you I want to 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.190 thank everybody all the public who came here for their 00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:30.400 comments your input was 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:37.789 really appreciated and as Brendan said I think that aesthet 00:54:37.789 --> 00:54:38.960 ically there are some 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:44.000 things that can be done and and we will make sure that 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.840 those are part of the 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:55.400 part of the process so okay moving on we have items for 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.960 individual consideration 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:06.429 item number a which is consider approval of the public 00:55:06.429 --> 00:55:08.639 utilities board meeting 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:15.719 minutes of March 27th 2017 a draft copy of those minutes 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.400 have been distributed 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:24.159 in advance are there any comments questions changes 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:29.199 suggestions hearing 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:38.179 nine and those will be approved as submitted item number B 00:55:38.179 --> 00:55:39.480 is P item 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:45.320 number PUB 17 - 0 8 7 is to consider recommending approval 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.159 of IFB 6 3 7 5 to 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:51.679 Dickerson construction company in the amount of 1 million 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:52.800 thirty eight thousand 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.210 one hundred eighty seven dollars for the construction of 00:55:55.210 --> 00:55:55.920 the pecan Creek 00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:00.210 Interceptor for project and I believe we have Jim Wilder 00:56:00.210 --> 00:56:01.800 with staff who's going 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.800 to make this presentation 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.099 my name is Jim Wilder I'm with the engineering services 00:56:13.099 --> 00:56:15.880 department or I'm 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.840 not sure exactly what we're called now I was not really 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.519 aware that this was going 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.739 to be an item for individual consideration so I just 00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:26.599 printed out a 00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:32.369 kind of an aerial of the route of the sanitary sewer this 00:56:32.369 --> 00:56:33.519 is the fourth 00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:39.789 component or installment of the concrete Interceptor 00:56:39.789 --> 00:56:42.320 project it's the very last 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:48.760 one that we have about 2,000 feet is being done because we 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.159 simply don't have 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.670 enough capacity in the existing lines the the original 00:56:54.670 --> 00:56:56.079 concrete Interceptor 00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:03.860 was built in the early 1960s it is built probably for a 00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:05.400 size of a town about half 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.800 the size of done is now and so it's been out of capacity 00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.639 for probably good 10 to 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:17.849 15 years and we're going to finally be able to close that 00:57:17.849 --> 00:57:19.440 gap will be then in 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:24.389 compliance with the Clean Water Act which is an important 00:57:24.389 --> 00:57:25.199 thing for us as a 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:30.239 wastewater utility to do and so this is the reason for the 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.280 project we got five 00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.610 bids we just bid it here last month they were generally 00:57:37.610 --> 00:57:39.000 within the range that we 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.769 thought we would get the low bidder is Dickerson 00:57:41.769 --> 00:57:43.360 Construction Company which is 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.809 a local construction company that we work with many times 00:57:46.809 --> 00:57:47.840 before they should 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.710 be able to do the job well we've got a good working 00:57:51.710 --> 00:57:54.079 relationship with them and 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:59.710 the project came in just slightly under budget in terms of 00:57:59.710 --> 00:58:00.719 the the construction 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:06.019 costs that's pretty much all I have if you have any 00:58:06.019 --> 00:58:07.320 questions I'd be happy to 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.760 answer them 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:17.150 questions an interceptor is typically a sanitary sewer line 00:58:17.150 --> 00:58:19.360 that's generally 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:23.579 about 15 inches or larger the reason we call it interceptor 00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:24.440 versus just a 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.420 standard collector line is because it's gathering flow from 00:58:28.420 --> 00:58:29.679 a much larger area 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:33.480 and it's dealing with much larger flow rates than then like 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:34.579 say the the line 00:58:34.579 --> 00:58:37.530 that's in your neighborhood that collects the flow from 00:58:37.530 --> 00:58:39.079 your house this 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.039 isn't those concrete creeks that run through the town no no 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:43.800 no this would be 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:48.760 a in this particular circumstance would be a 30 inch line 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:49.559 it'll be buried about 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:54.440 probably 12 to 15 feet deep you can see from the route part 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:55.320 of it runs right 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.460 next to Denton High that's why we've scheduled the project 00:58:59.460 --> 00:58:59.960 to begin 00:58:59.960 --> 00:59:04.989 immediately and as soon as school starts so that portion of 00:59:04.989 --> 00:59:06.320 the project is 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:11.449 supposed to be built during June and July while the kids 00:59:11.449 --> 00:59:12.440 are out of school 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:17.400 and then it runs up behind some homes into a property that 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.280 Denton ISD owns we 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.909 already have an easement there and so we're putting it in 00:59:22.909 --> 00:59:31.360 the easement yes 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.719 they're joining existing lines that have already been put 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:37.039 in yeah to the north 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:42.000 was just put in with the US 380 relocation project its new 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:42.920 line and to 00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:48.590 the east is where the concrete three project just finished 00:59:48.590 --> 00:59:52.920 last summer okay 00:59:52.920 --> 01:00:00.289 questions no there's no recommendation to award the bid or 01:00:00.289 --> 01:00:02.960 approve the I have be 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:08.570 to Dickerson construction company move approval the motion 01:00:08.570 --> 01:00:09.559 by Barbara is there 01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:16.039 second second second by Lillio any discussion all in favor 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:17.880 say aye any 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:23.940 opposed same sign okay motion passes next we have the ACM 01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:29.840 update the new 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:35.449 business metrics any comments on that John I just would 01:00:35.449 --> 01:00:36.079 point out that we've 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.280 have one item outstanding we're still working on a report 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:40.280 on comparing the 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.110 city number of city employees we have in our water and 01:00:42.110 --> 01:00:43.440 wastewater departments 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.030 and we hope to have that very soon the other two items we 01:00:46.030 --> 01:00:47.000 completed at our last 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:54.739 meeting okay any member who would like to see you have put 01:00:54.739 --> 01:00:55.760 something on the new 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:59.599 business matrix Barbara when you had asked for this you 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.880 didn't want it to 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:06.510 just be water and wastewater correct no what what my idea 01:01:06.510 --> 01:01:08.119 was was just to see 01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:13.519 how we how we relate with other cities similar sizes on 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.400 their own utilities do 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.619 we have less employees do we have more employees I just 01:01:20.619 --> 01:01:24.440 wanted that comparison 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:34.079 we're working on that we'll have that for you okay okay at 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.199 this time we we do 01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:41.010 have a closed meeting item to discuss so at this time we 01:01:41.010 --> 01:01:43.519 will go into our closed 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.679 meeting