1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,410 April 10th 2017 public utility board meeting to order. We 2 00:00:04,410 --> 00:00:06,200 have a quorum here 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:13,269 and we our first first agenda item is to hold a public 4 00:00:13,269 --> 00:00:15,560 hearing. Item number 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:23,620 PUB 17-065 to hold a public hearing consider recommending 6 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:24,120 that the City 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,519 Council adopt a resolution regarding the proposed site for 8 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:29,719 construction of the 9 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:36,250 what's known as the Hartley Field substation. So for staff 10 00:00:36,250 --> 00:00:37,359 I believe the 11 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:41,119 presentation is going to be by Brian Dascombs. Brian if you 12 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:43,479 would please. 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,530 Good morning board and members of the public thank you for 14 00:00:54,530 --> 00:00:56,960 taking some time 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:07,840 this morning to discuss this item. So for this for this 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,799 substation we're needing to 17 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:12,680 we're needing to construct a substation to meet the growth 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,640 that we've had and 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,530 then let me give you a quick visual on that those of you 20 00:01:16,530 --> 00:01:17,480 that were at the 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,250 public hearing or rather the open house would have seen 22 00:01:20,250 --> 00:01:21,359 this that a lot of our 23 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:24,069 infrastructure was constructed back in the 60s and since 24 00:01:24,069 --> 00:01:25,159 that time we've had of 25 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:27,340 course a lot of growth as people have moved into Denton as 26 00:01:27,340 --> 00:01:28,079 businesses have 27 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:30,840 moved into Denton and so DME has the requirement to meet 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,799 that growth and so 29 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:36,290 that's what we're attempting to do with this substation. As 30 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:38,079 the electric provider 31 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,879 in this area DME has a responsibility to meet that growth. 32 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:42,400 We've proposed five 33 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,579 different substation locations and there'll be a map with 34 00:01:46,579 --> 00:01:47,159 those with those 35 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:51,310 sites here shortly and as we've discussed this item with 36 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:52,400 the public it 37 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,319 seems to us that two sites have risen to the top and are 38 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:56,400 worthy of further 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,239 consideration although certainly any of the five are 40 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:00,840 possible for us we can from 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,060 an engineering perspective we can we can build on any of 42 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:05,719 those. As a reminder 43 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,479 this is generally to the north of town just north of 288 44 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:10,800 across from the water 45 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:16,860 park there at the Hartley Field Road and Sherman Drive. 46 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:18,439 Here closer in you can see 47 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:23,400 those five sites that we've that we've offered to the 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,199 public the five options 49 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:28,180 that we've considered. You can see there's a yellow site 50 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:29,280 that has a purple 51 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,680 background on it that purple background signifies the 52 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,120 property that's owned. Oh 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,879 I'm sorry and you can see that that yellow side is has a 54 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:41,400 purple background 55 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,240 and that purple background signifies property that's owned 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,000 currently by the 57 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,139 city of Denton and it's that yellow site and then the blue 58 00:02:49,139 --> 00:02:50,039 site on the other side 59 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:54,060 of Sherman that seemed to us at this point to be the two 60 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:55,560 most viable sites. 61 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:00,039 Now this is a fairly complicated map and I apologize for 62 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:01,800 the complexity but I 63 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,389 think there's some good information on here so I quickly 64 00:03:04,389 --> 00:03:05,240 wanted to show you 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,669 that there's a TAM area that's on the bottom left of this 66 00:03:08,669 --> 00:03:09,360 map and that goes 67 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,930 diagonally through the center and that shows the area that 68 00:03:12,930 --> 00:03:14,000 is in which DME is 69 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,750 certified as the as the only entity that can serve electric 70 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:21,879 load and so that's 71 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:24,030 the area in which we have sole responsibility for providing 72 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:24,439 electric 73 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:28,259 load and then over to the upper right side of the map you 74 00:03:28,259 --> 00:03:29,000 can see there's an 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,210 area in slightly lighter tan I apologize the colors don't 76 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:33,560 have more contrast but 77 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,960 that shows an area that's certified to be served by DME by 78 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,639 co-serve and by TXU 79 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:41,759 so any of any of those utilities can serve load in that 80 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:43,360 area and I understand 81 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,199 that that DME is often not the provider for that area that 82 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:48,560 's off to the east and 83 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,710 that's the area that's represented by a lot of people here 84 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:52,919 and then that purple 85 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:56,259 area is certified to be served by DME and co-serve you can 86 00:03:56,259 --> 00:03:59,400 also see there's the 87 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,280 the area that is within the city limits and that's the part 88 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,400 that has that red or 89 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 rather that black hash mark and then the the red signifies 90 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,759 the area that's in the 91 00:04:07,759 --> 00:04:13,500 ETJ and then the blank area is simply outside of the city 92 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:17,480 limits all right 93 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,019 well back at the end of January we held an open house and 94 00:04:21,019 --> 00:04:22,279 we sent out 40 95 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,990 notifications for that meeting now the reason we sent out 96 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:26,000 40 is because we send 97 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,839 out notifications for everyone within 500 feet that's 98 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,680 either a property owner 99 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,269 or a resident within 500 feet of any of the proposed 100 00:04:32,269 --> 00:04:35,199 options and we recognize 101 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:38,389 that there was a community to the east of that site that 102 00:04:38,389 --> 00:04:39,720 they wouldn't get 103 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,250 those notifications so we put out a large sign to try to 104 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:43,240 attract attention 105 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,850 and in this time for this public hearing for the first time 106 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:46,879 we've used next door 107 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,689 neighborhood based social network to try to get the word 108 00:04:50,689 --> 00:04:51,600 out so we're we're 109 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,930 trying to get the word out to that community and in fact 110 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:54,699 they did show up in 111 00:04:54,699 --> 00:04:59,230 large numbers and filled out a lot of comment forms to show 112 00:04:59,230 --> 00:05:00,000 us their 113 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,920 preference for for which site they wanted and their 114 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,100 preference was was 115 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,560 pretty clear the preference of that neighborhood you can 116 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,279 see the further 117 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,430 away it is over to the to the West the more they tended to 118 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:13,519 like it and the more 119 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,850 it was on Hartley Field Road there's a clear preference 120 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:17,120 that that it not be 121 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,069 there there was clear opposition to that to add a little 122 00:05:21,069 --> 00:05:22,639 bit of complexity to 123 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:25,170 this picture we also heard from the landowner there's one 124 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:25,939 landowner that 125 00:05:25,939 --> 00:05:29,079 owns both the blue and the green side and that landowner 126 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:30,279 did not want to sell 127 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,439 they did not want to sell us the land and they didn't want 128 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:33,180 to substation put 129 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:37,360 there and also the school district indicated that they 130 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,279 would prefer that it 131 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,259 be on the other side of Sherman there so so over they 132 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:45,439 preferred the yellow pink 133 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,389 and orange sides and so that adds some complexity to the to 134 00:05:48,389 --> 00:05:49,399 the reaction that 135 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:52,680 we've heard from the neighborhood this is a map showing 136 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,040 where those comments 137 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,259 came from you can see as I mentioned most of the comments 138 00:05:57,259 --> 00:05:59,040 came over from from 139 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,600 the east of the proposed options based on the feedback that 140 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,879 we heard at that 141 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:08,240 public hearing we heard people saying they didn't want it 142 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,240 close to Hartley 143 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,709 Field Road and so we've engineered a design that if the 144 00:06:12,709 --> 00:06:13,879 yellow site were 145 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,990 chosen it would push it up further north further away from 146 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:20,360 the road and here's a 147 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,139 closer layout of that blue site which is the other the 148 00:06:24,139 --> 00:06:25,680 other side of the two that 149 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,639 we think of have risen to the top this is just an overview 150 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:31,560 of the cost and it 151 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,050 doesn't it doesn't take into consideration which site we 152 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:35,600 would build 153 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,779 on it again we can from an engineering perspective we can 154 00:06:37,779 --> 00:06:38,480 build on any of these 155 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,730 sites and we don't expect that total budget cost to change 156 00:06:42,730 --> 00:06:43,519 dramatically 157 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:48,839 depending on which site is chosen we've already had the 158 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,000 public open house of 159 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,050 course we're having the public hearing with pub right now 160 00:06:53,050 --> 00:06:55,480 and then if we if 161 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,720 we're so directed we'll hold a public hearing with the City 162 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,519 Council and that 163 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,350 will be another evening meeting and that will give the City 164 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:01,920 Council an 165 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,970 opportunity to choose a site I'll be happy to answer any 166 00:07:07,970 --> 00:07:10,319 questions any 167 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:16,480 questions of Brian Brian yes ma'am how did the city come to 168 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,360 own that property 169 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,800 the water department purchased that for a project that 170 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,360 never that never 171 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:34,079 materialized okay I'll leave any other members a map for so 172 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:34,800 you're you're 173 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,290 saying essentially the any either of those sites the 174 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:40,399 budgets gonna be about 175 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:44,180 the cost is gonna be about the same from getting the 176 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:46,720 getting to TMPA lines and 177 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,730 yes sir yes sir there will be some some transactional ease 178 00:07:51,730 --> 00:07:53,399 I suppose if we went 179 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:55,600 with the yellow site because the city already owns that 180 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,120 property and that 181 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,310 property owner for the blue and the green has indicated 182 00:07:59,310 --> 00:08:00,160 that they don't want 183 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,490 to sell and so that could make it a longer process a more 184 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:03,079 contentious 185 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,730 process but we don't expect it to finally make a real 186 00:08:05,730 --> 00:08:06,959 substantial difference 187 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:15,980 on those estimated costs okay okay anybody else no thank 188 00:08:15,980 --> 00:08:18,759 you Brian okay we 189 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:27,319 do have we do have some requests from to speak I think we 190 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:28,480 have six requests and 191 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,069 what I'll do I'll call you if you if you don't mind when I 192 00:08:31,069 --> 00:08:32,519 call you if you'll 193 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:39,000 come up to the podium and state your name and address and 194 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,279 you know there's 195 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:43,289 there's only six typically three minutes I don't know if we 196 00:08:43,289 --> 00:08:44,840 even have a timer we 197 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,480 do have a timer okay you know if it takes you three and a 198 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:49,360 half or whatever 199 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,919 don't don't sweat it sometimes it takes a little longer to 200 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:53,879 get your point out so 201 00:08:53,879 --> 00:08:58,049 we want to make sure everybody's heard and then we'll if 202 00:08:58,049 --> 00:09:00,360 any of the members of 203 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,379 the board have any questions of the speaker then we can do 204 00:09:04,379 --> 00:09:06,559 at that time so 205 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:12,529 we'll start off with Fritz pop poppy is that poppy thank 206 00:09:12,529 --> 00:09:15,440 you mr. poppy 207 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,190 oh I'm sorry if you'll go to the microphone please state 208 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:22,600 your name and 209 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:29,259 address for the record Fritz poppy 2743 Hartley Field Road 210 00:09:29,259 --> 00:09:31,039 Denton I must speak 211 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:36,879 to the property that's in yellow initially in the 70s we 212 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:38,559 bought 40 acres 213 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:45,000 on Hartley Field Road and in the early 80s we sold 37 acres 214 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,639 off to a lady eye 215 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:50,889 doctor in Dallas and she subsequently sold the 16 acres to 216 00:09:50,889 --> 00:09:52,440 the city for that 217 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,090 proposed water project and then she quit paying us for the 218 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:57,399 balance and we had to 219 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:02,529 foreclose on on the other 20 acres but anyway since then we 220 00:10:02,529 --> 00:10:04,759 've lived on three 221 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:09,720 and a half acres approximately and that diagonal line is 222 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,360 our back property line 223 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,529 and from the start when I first heard about this project I 224 00:10:16,529 --> 00:10:17,919 said I really don't 225 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,929 want to cross the street from me and in our front yard the 226 00:10:21,929 --> 00:10:23,480 city already owns the 227 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,440 land it I said I don't mind that they put it on that 228 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,679 property but it should be 229 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,590 to the north end and not up against my fence line and that 230 00:10:33,590 --> 00:10:35,320 's also a little 231 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,879 lower level it's on high ground where the diagonal is is 232 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:40,240 almost to the top of 233 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,429 the hill and so you know if it's on the far north end of 234 00:10:44,429 --> 00:10:45,480 the property I don't 235 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:52,039 you know we'll hardly see it so that's my opinion on it I 236 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:52,960 said if they insist 237 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,250 on putting it up along my property line I'd like you to buy 238 00:10:56,250 --> 00:10:57,960 my property thank 239 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:06,559 you mr. poppy could you locate for your where you live 240 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:39,549 this is our home side and this is 2.7 acres thank you thank 241 00:11:39,549 --> 00:11:41,200 you 242 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:48,720 okay next we have Anita Weisner 243 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:01,960 I'm Anita Wozner I own two properties I own a property at 244 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,919 5512 Woodland Hills 245 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:12,320 Road which is just to the to the right of the yellow where 246 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,000 the blocks start and 247 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,269 also another one on the corner of Hartley Court and Hartley 248 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:18,919 Field Road I've 249 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:23,029 been there in that area 43 years I've seen a lot of things 250 00:12:23,029 --> 00:12:24,639 change mostly the 251 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:29,289 junk man on the way in but at the same point I don't think 252 00:12:29,289 --> 00:12:30,720 it's fair to plop a 253 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,059 great big substation similar to the one down on Kings Row 254 00:12:34,059 --> 00:12:35,360 right behind where the 255 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,250 houses are when people have property values there that will 256 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:39,039 go down because 257 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,879 of that thing it's huge it's bad enough we drive in 258 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:45,519 Hartley Field Road and have to see that mess on the left 259 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,360 without having to see 260 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,289 massive electrical things and towers and big whatever those 261 00:12:51,289 --> 00:12:52,720 are I understand we 262 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,240 need power out there I know there are houses coming I know 263 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,080 progress is good my 264 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,559 thing is why can't they put it where there are no houses at 265 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:00,440 the moment either 266 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,590 in blue or green doesn't really matter which but away from 267 00:13:04,590 --> 00:13:05,960 the houses so that 268 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,799 when they do come and progress does come which it will 269 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:10,200 houses will come they will 270 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,360 wind up selling that land eventually and the houses will 271 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,440 come they need the power 272 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,330 but put it where the people can get used to it where it's 273 00:13:17,330 --> 00:13:18,600 already existing and 274 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,720 they can say oh okay this is already here I know I'm moving 275 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,600 next to this not 276 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,440 by houses that have been there decades and decades and have 277 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,480 to go ooh now we 278 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,279 got to drive by that you know we've got so many things out 279 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:33,039 there already the big 280 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:36,250 towers out there the junk man's out there we've got a water 281 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:37,000 park we can't 282 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,759 even get out on a Friday night if you live out in that area 283 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:40,679 you try to get out 284 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,679 and turn any direction you can't they run the stop sign on 285 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:45,100 Long Road 286 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:48,850 continuously there's traffic what this all boils down to is 287 00:13:48,850 --> 00:13:50,039 I just don't think 288 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:52,110 and I think I have a lot of people that are behind me that 289 00:13:52,110 --> 00:13:52,840 that particular 290 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,490 yellow pink or orange are going to be good viable spots for 291 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:57,240 the neighborhood 292 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,409 and if they want to be good neighbors and do things that 293 00:14:01,409 --> 00:14:02,919 would help us or at 294 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:06,120 least lean towards our favor I think green or blue would be 295 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,720 optimum and I 296 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,610 understand they don't own that land but I just don't think 297 00:14:10,610 --> 00:14:11,559 putting another 298 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,379 unsightly something else on Hartley Field Road is fair I 299 00:14:14,379 --> 00:14:15,320 just don't think 300 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,279 it's right so that's pretty much about all I have to say 301 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,679 but I hope that they 302 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:24,269 understand and realize that if they lived any one of you 303 00:14:24,269 --> 00:14:25,399 lived out there you'd 304 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:28,570 understand driving down every day nobody wants to go by a 305 00:14:28,570 --> 00:14:29,799 junkyard or by great 306 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:33,740 big electrical whatever it is if it were over to the side 307 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:34,799 in the field either 308 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,789 green or blue it would be out of the way it wouldn't be uns 309 00:14:37,789 --> 00:14:38,799 ightly you wouldn't 310 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:42,399 really see much of it from our point of view and those that 311 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:43,600 move into that area 312 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,480 when it becomes developed won't have to worry with oh I don 313 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,720 't want one here it's 314 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,840 already there it's been there you bought a house there you 315 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,080 knew it was there so I 316 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,519 guess that's all I have to say I just wanted to say how 317 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:56,879 very unhappy I am and 318 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:00,850 very disappointed that they chose a place on Hartley Field 319 00:15:00,850 --> 00:15:01,440 Road that's it 320 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,879 thank you question does anybody have any questions 321 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:10,720 I've got one question mr. poppy alluded to the fact that 322 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,799 there was a rise and 323 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:17,360 then a little bump it slopes down to the to the north a 324 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,559 little bit yes is and I 325 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:24,940 guess and I understand driving by it you know you don't 326 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:25,559 want to drive by that 327 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:27,929 those there's no there's there's not many ways to make 328 00:15:27,929 --> 00:15:28,919 these things pretty 329 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:32,169 yeah yeah I understand that and it's not a tiny hill I mean 330 00:15:32,169 --> 00:15:33,000 it's not a big hill 331 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,840 it's you know I'm just we're not talking a mountain that's 332 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,679 gonna hide it I wish 333 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:43,320 yeah if if I guess if we put it as far north if the station 334 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,519 went as far north 335 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:48,240 as it could I mean I'm sure to be better having it right on 336 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,000 Hartley Field Road 337 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:55,309 but still I'm just trying to find if there is there 338 00:15:55,309 --> 00:15:56,279 somewhere on that and 339 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,389 that's what we all are trying to do in our neighborhood 340 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:59,399 yeah in my neighborhood 341 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:02,370 we're just trying to find a happy medium for everybody not 342 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:03,320 just for one but for 343 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,909 everybody and it's just gonna be really hard like I say 344 00:16:06,909 --> 00:16:07,759 most of us have lived 345 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,950 out there decades and our property values are fair but you 346 00:16:10,950 --> 00:16:11,799 start putting 347 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:13,600 something like that in people aren't gonna want to come 348 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,399 down the road they 349 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:16,750 aren't gonna want to come to that neighborhood they're 350 00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:17,559 gonna go oh gee I 351 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:20,860 don't want to live next to that which there's only one 352 00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:21,919 other person other 353 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:24,889 than poor mr. poppy that would be right on top of it would 354 00:16:24,889 --> 00:16:26,039 be further down in 355 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,039 that big white spot in between the yellow and the red line 356 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:31,279 right and that 357 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,620 is currently owned by someone that we can't really do 358 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:36,879 anything about well we'd 359 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:43,320 like to but we won't that's not legal all right so anyway 360 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,960 we call code 361 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,679 enforcement all we can y'all just don't have enough codes 362 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:48,679 for that but anyway 363 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:51,039 that's neither here nor there we're not on that right now 364 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:52,639 the big thing with the 365 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:55,690 substation is visual for us yeah you know it's hard enough 366 00:16:55,690 --> 00:16:56,600 for us to get out 367 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,240 on a Friday night there's no stoplight on Long Road no 368 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,820 nothing if they put that 369 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:03,879 down there maybe people would take an extra second maybe 370 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:05,599 you know not that 371 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,220 that has to do with traffic but people slow down a bit when 372 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:10,480 there's great big 373 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,970 things right beside you I know that sounds kind of 374 00:17:13,970 --> 00:17:15,440 irrelevant but they do 375 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,650 they have children in the car except or right now there's 376 00:17:17,650 --> 00:17:18,480 nothing but a field 377 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,240 they hit that and they don't even stop it's we call it a ro 378 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,539 llo because they 379 00:17:22,539 --> 00:17:26,559 roll right up and load on up so it's hard enough to get on 380 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:27,920 Sherman Drive and 381 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,130 visually it's a beautiful place out there if you've never 382 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:30,880 been out there it's 383 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,880 fields it's gorgeous except for one little itty-bitty spot 384 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:35,559 and we don't want 385 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:39,579 two spots one is googops we really we got googops trust me 386 00:17:39,579 --> 00:17:40,680 come down Hartley 387 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,109 Field Road look left we got googops we don't need something 388 00:17:44,109 --> 00:17:45,000 else unsightly out 389 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,660 there really and I know we need power I'm not disputing 390 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:50,599 that at all growth is 391 00:17:50,599 --> 00:17:52,670 coming I hear they're gonna put a bunch of houses out on 392 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:53,519 Hartley Field Airport 393 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,599 which is the great big square way way way down Hartley 394 00:17:56,599 --> 00:17:58,039 Field Road so there are 395 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:00,920 houses coming they are gonna need power but I don't see any 396 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:01,920 reason they can't 397 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,890 get it from the green or the blue in my opinion okay so 398 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:08,079 thank you thank you for 399 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:17,680 your comments next we have Sharon Kramer 400 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:35,119 if you would okay okay thank you thank you for getting the 401 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:35,799 name right it is 402 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:41,039 Sharon Kramer good job thank that he is disconcerting so I 403 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:42,559 've lived in my spot 404 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:48,170 yes addresses three five seven four pine trail which is 405 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:48,640 just off of 406 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,140 Hartley Field Road okay and I've lived there since 1979 and 407 00:18:53,140 --> 00:18:54,559 what you all don't 408 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:59,099 know is the condition of Hartley Field Road it's not gonna 409 00:18:59,099 --> 00:19:00,160 it's not going to 410 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,619 stand up well to the construction of a substation there we 411 00:19:03,619 --> 00:19:04,880 all remember the 412 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,839 construction on Kings Row and the jam it caused on the loop 413 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:12,200 and those are divided 414 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,890 two lanes during the entire construction and the Kings Row 415 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:17,000 was a little bit off 416 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,539 the loop so to put something that you can only access off 417 00:19:21,539 --> 00:19:22,960 of Hartley Field 418 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,569 which is barely two lanes and there's no division a county 419 00:19:28,569 --> 00:19:30,000 is responsible for it 420 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,960 right about where you're gonna need to access that and 421 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,519 again as as you just 422 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:39,799 heard you're putting it in an established a neighborhood 423 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:41,240 and it will 424 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,000 impact our property values and it will impact our view the 425 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,039 blue and the 426 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:49,460 group the the blue and the green neighborhoods not 427 00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:51,559 established you already 428 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:57,809 have a sort of non-neighborhood complex with the water park 429 00:19:57,809 --> 00:19:59,960 there and you've got 430 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,380 a couple of other different ways to get to your 431 00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:05,759 construction site hauling big 432 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:08,630 trucks in to do construction and getting them on that 433 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:09,680 getting them onto 434 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,299 Hartley Field off of Sherman Drive we're all going to be 435 00:20:12,299 --> 00:20:14,519 taking the back roads to 436 00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:17,160 get out in the mornings and in the evenings during the long 437 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,839 construction 438 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:24,930 period just not it's not an optimal site to put something 439 00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:25,799 that big in a 440 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:31,410 neighborhood that is already established so I have really 441 00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:32,799 nothing much new to add 442 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:38,210 but an iteration of construction problems and kind of bad 443 00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:40,559 neighbor policy 444 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:49,119 okay any questions no thank you very much thanks for your 445 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:49,960 comments 446 00:20:53,480 --> 00:21:01,480 next speaker we have is Ned Woodbridge mr. Woodbridge 447 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:10,839 good morning I'm Ned Woodbridge 3596 Hartley Field Road 448 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,039 excuse me thank you 449 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,319 for providing the opportunity for us to speak this morning 450 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:17,440 appreciate it I'm 451 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,609 not going to speak in I don't recall an opposition because 452 00:21:21,609 --> 00:21:22,839 I want to say that I 453 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,400 recognize the need for DME to support growth in the 454 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,039 community and an 455 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:33,259 understanding that the access for the axis for growth will 456 00:21:33,259 --> 00:21:34,640 be northward along 457 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,940 Sherman Drive 428 understand the need to you know to 458 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:39,799 service that area 459 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:47,359 potentially however I do think that that you know one you 460 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,200 know I question why are 461 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,519 we locating this so close to existing substations you know 462 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:54,759 this is about a 463 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:59,309 half a mile from you know the 288 loop Kings Row substation 464 00:21:59,309 --> 00:22:00,400 it's less probably 465 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,539 a mile from that from the Denton North substation you know 466 00:22:04,539 --> 00:22:05,519 you look at it you 467 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,710 look at the map and you can see that it's that you know it 468 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:09,759 's very crowded 469 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,759 right in here you know it doesn't look to me like that that 470 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:14,599 is optimum 471 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,859 placement for for such a substation that the optimum 472 00:22:17,859 --> 00:22:19,559 placement will be further 473 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:24,019 north along that axis of growth so that's kind of point 474 00:22:24,019 --> 00:22:25,400 number one point 475 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:32,369 number two is I you know as other speakers this morning 476 00:22:32,369 --> 00:22:33,279 have indicated I 477 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:36,849 think this is this will significantly impact really the 478 00:22:36,849 --> 00:22:38,240 pleasurable use of our 479 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,849 homes in our community and also it you know this will be 480 00:22:43,849 --> 00:22:45,000 will cause a 481 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,009 diminution property values if we place this on the yellow 482 00:22:50,009 --> 00:22:50,279 zone right here along 483 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:54,420 Berkeley Field Road or on the we talked about the pink or 484 00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:58,680 the orange the you 485 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:05,910 know a electric substation is is a substantial you know 486 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:07,119 fixture and that 487 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,190 would occur you just go look at the ones that have been 488 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:10,440 built recently around and 489 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,329 there's no question it's not just the substation itself 490 00:23:13,329 --> 00:23:14,599 which is surrounded by 491 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,930 walls it has but it has high structure that can be seen 492 00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:19,359 from quite a distance 493 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,779 it also there would be power lines coming in and out and 494 00:23:22,779 --> 00:23:24,000 emanating from it 495 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,779 you know there there's certainly one that would pass 496 00:23:26,779 --> 00:23:28,160 through at this time but I 497 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,069 could imagine ultimately there might be others that would 498 00:23:31,069 --> 00:23:32,160 emanate from it like a 499 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,930 spider like the legs of a spider going out to serve the 500 00:23:34,930 --> 00:23:36,680 community so it's more 501 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:42,359 than just you know than what we might see right now thirdly 502 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,880 and I don't know 503 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,539 much veracity to put in this but you know there certainly 504 00:23:46,539 --> 00:23:47,480 are potential health 505 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,309 implications there are studies I've read the studies that 506 00:23:50,309 --> 00:23:51,240 are out there that 507 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,789 that suggests that there may be health implications for for 508 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:55,920 communities that 509 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,920 live too close to power stations and power you know the 510 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,960 high voltage power 511 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,259 lines that's that's clearly in dispute you know there but 512 00:24:03,259 --> 00:24:04,440 then we just want to 513 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,150 put that on the table that there are there are studies that 514 00:24:07,150 --> 00:24:08,799 are out there and 515 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,640 I guess I also my last thing I want to conclude that it's 516 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,559 for me it's better to 517 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,619 locate if we need to locate it within this route this this 518 00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:16,599 area and as I said 519 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:20,089 up I think that probably be better located further up north 520 00:24:20,089 --> 00:24:21,160 along the axis 521 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,119 of growth for the community that it would be the we do it 522 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,279 on the west side 523 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:32,230 of Sherman Drive which is in either the blue or the or the 524 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:36,000 green areas thank you 525 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,599 sorry I didn't have a mic on them still getting used to 526 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:49,640 this thank you next we 527 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:57,500 have Anne Woodbridge okay just it's not noted on the card 528 00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:00,799 okay okay your comment 529 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,690 comments I'll read the comments that's okay comments were 530 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:04,400 to locate the 531 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:04,400 substation on the west side of 428 away from existing 532 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,000 residential yeah thank 533 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:20,119 you okay and David Cullen Cullen yes 534 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:30,480 names David Culkin actually live in Austin Texas but I am 535 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,519 my sister and I are 536 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,640 the owners of the property on which the blue and the green 537 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,039 site are located it's 538 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:41,000 been the family for decades it's an old family farm it's 539 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,680 still operated as a 540 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,940 farm today I am here I to voice my opposition to the site 541 00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:46,599 for a number of 542 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:51,670 reasons you know over the years we've we've seen the area 543 00:25:51,670 --> 00:25:53,319 grow we've had the 544 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:56,079 gas pipeline that easement come across the property of 545 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:57,240 course the power lines 546 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,160 across the property those those additions over time have 547 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,599 obviously 548 00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:04,400 subdivided the property in some ways but you know the long- 549 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,359 term future in 550 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,109 invariably for that area and for that property is probably 551 00:26:08,109 --> 00:26:08,920 going to be some 552 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,289 kind of development probably for homes but you know every 553 00:26:13,289 --> 00:26:14,839 time a site plan has 554 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,609 been sort of reviewed for that sort of thing most of the 555 00:26:17,609 --> 00:26:19,240 access for that kind 556 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,519 of thing is going to be in this part of the property so a 557 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,000 substation would have 558 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,430 substantial impact on that the ability for that to be done 559 00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:29,720 I'd also point out 560 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,299 the site as it's currently planned I mean if everybody's 561 00:26:33,299 --> 00:26:34,400 been up there that's 562 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,589 really just sort of out in the middle of a field so in 563 00:26:36,589 --> 00:26:37,759 terms of visibility there 564 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:39,910 would be this would be something that would be visible for 565 00:26:39,910 --> 00:26:40,960 the community for 566 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,480 forever going forward it's right there on the roadside 567 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,240 there's really no there's 568 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,019 no geography that's going to really hide this site so in 569 00:26:49,019 --> 00:26:50,519 terms of its impact for 570 00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:53,500 any kind of development it would be substantial we do 571 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:54,799 oppose it because we 572 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,240 know that it would greatly diminish the value of the 573 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,480 overall property that 574 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,450 particular property is 237 acres but again as I say a lot 575 00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:03,799 of the access for 576 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:08,900 it is long for 28 and for a long road for that reason again 577 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:10,400 I I don't think 578 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,730 it's the best of the community I do appreciate of course 579 00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:13,480 for folks who are 580 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,809 already out there how this impacts them but I think the 581 00:27:15,809 --> 00:27:16,759 other way to look at it 582 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,470 this is that there are many more people who will be living 583 00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:20,359 in this area in the 584 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,660 future and this site as it's proposed right now will have a 585 00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:24,400 huge negative 586 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,490 impact for them and honestly everybody in the area so thank 587 00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:33,720 you any questions 588 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,680 I have just a couple questions I know that and I know we 589 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,279 can't see the aerial 590 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,339 here but you're talking about the power lines that came 591 00:27:42,339 --> 00:27:45,039 through can you kind of 592 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,960 point on the map where the power lines go through now 593 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,279 approximately okay so this 594 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,640 dotted line okay so it basically the southern border of the 595 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,160 green and the 596 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,160 northern border the blue there 597 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,650 we've spent a reasonable amount actually having you know 598 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:22,640 some engineering firms 599 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,000 look at what site development would eventually look like in 600 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,319 every case this 601 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,869 part of the property is one of the sort of more key parts 602 00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:31,960 for that access 603 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,200 especially if we want to have access that doesn't drive 604 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,559 more traffic in front 605 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,559 of the school district in front of the buildings there so 606 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,160 again this kind of a 607 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,950 substation would would greatly reduce the sort of 608 00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:46,680 flexibility associated with 609 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,730 development in the area but again it's also as you can see 610 00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:50,400 even just from 611 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,779 looking at the satellite imagery you're really out in 612 00:28:52,779 --> 00:28:54,039 exposed field so out here 613 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,099 there would be no hiding this substation it would be 614 00:28:57,099 --> 00:28:59,359 visible from you know from 615 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:03,470 every direction honestly and something that would be my 616 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:04,440 opinion be an eyesore 617 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,400 honestly for the area but again a big impact on our 618 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,480 property so okay all right 619 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:19,119 thank you thank you thanks for your comments you bet okay 620 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:20,279 those are those 621 00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,029 are all the requests to speak is there any other anybody 622 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:25,880 here that would like 623 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,900 to speak that has not filled out a card or had a chance yes 624 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,799 ma'am if you'll come 625 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:45,240 up to the podium please okay yeah I'm sorry yeah 626 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:52,329 if you'll just state your name and address and then into 627 00:29:52,329 --> 00:29:52,680 the 628 00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:01,569 well anyway our property almost joins this the it's the 629 00:30:01,569 --> 00:30:04,240 back of it we've been 630 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,440 out there we bought the land in 68 we didn't build until 631 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,799 our children got 632 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,240 pretty big that was a good idea because we didn't want to 633 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,960 have to scoot kids 634 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,019 back and forth I'm a retired teacher so I always consider 635 00:30:21,019 --> 00:30:23,680 kids the only thing I 636 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,819 would say is that I don't really approve of having one of 637 00:30:27,819 --> 00:30:29,359 those across from a 638 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:37,920 school I know that anyway that's not what I came up here to 639 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,559 say the do you 640 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:47,160 know or do any of you know if the land I don't know maybe 641 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,799 mr. poppy knows but 642 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,900 anyway at one time when the city was going to put gigantic 643 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:55,240 towers out there 644 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,690 we fought and fought and fought for that and they finally 645 00:30:59,690 --> 00:31:01,200 decided not to do it 646 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,259 but anyway they said that there would be an easement or a 647 00:31:06,259 --> 00:31:08,839 road going down to 428 648 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,500 I don't know if that's a big deal but it's a little bit 649 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:12,599 better than doing it 650 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:20,240 doing it on for on Hartley field I agree that the traffic 651 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,640 is out there is just 652 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,319 unbelievable especially every week when they have a bicycle 653 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:26,680 thing they stop the 654 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,640 traffic down there going into the natatorium and all so it 655 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,799 's really a you 656 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:38,180 know hardship to try to get out but that do you know if the 657 00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:40,240 city actually went 658 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:47,049 through with buying an easement to get out on 40 for 28 do 659 00:31:47,049 --> 00:31:56,319 any of you know sure 660 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:02,799 you're talking about going back to 428 from the property 661 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,559 yes I got you okay I 662 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:12,559 understood they they had had the easement but evidently 663 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,480 didn't but anyway 664 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:22,900 the thing also that I worry about it are this lines I don't 665 00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,119 know which way they're 666 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:28,579 going they would have to go over our property something the 667 00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:29,319 other thing is 668 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:38,220 that the what do you call it sewer place my mind is crazy 669 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:41,079 but it's down Hartley 670 00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:47,390 field - when they start building it or maybe it's already 671 00:32:47,390 --> 00:32:48,920 built we don't know 672 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,700 because you can't get in see it down there but it's out of 673 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:53,839 the way but they 674 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,799 have trucks that come and go in there I don't know what 675 00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,880 they're doing but anyway 676 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,819 I'm sure that that would have to serve that down there so 677 00:33:05,819 --> 00:33:06,880 that would be more 678 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,049 you know people going back and forth we don't even have a 679 00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:13,799 turn lane up there I 680 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:19,630 guess everybody up there realizes we have to cross a double 681 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:21,359 line to get in to 682 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:28,519 Woodland Hills now the long road you know has a big turn 683 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,160 you know thing which 684 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,240 they need that but we also need a turn line up there 685 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,920 because it's right at the 686 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,329 top of the hill right next to the water park and you know 687 00:33:42,329 --> 00:33:43,240 you just come up that 688 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,200 way and if you're coming from this way you have to cross 689 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,960 over you know traffic 690 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,230 which isn't legal but you have to get in there something 691 00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:55,640 like would you do me a 692 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,640 favor before you just your night would you state your name 693 00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,680 and address I don't 694 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,839 think we ever just for the record so we have it and into 695 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:03,839 the 696 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:12,320 and 5547 Woodland Hills that's okay that's all right 697 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,960 okay 698 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,239 you know where the water comes from it's where the water 699 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,429 comes from it fills up that pond you know all the time most 700 00:34:57,429 --> 00:35:04,579 of the time it doesn't even go down very much but you have 701 00:35:04,579 --> 00:35:08,699 to consider that too when you're starting to build 702 00:35:08,699 --> 00:35:08,960 something. 703 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:18,869 okay we're not picking any of this up in the microphone I'm 704 00:35:18,869 --> 00:35:20,440 sorry I'm used to 705 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:27,289 talking loud forgot what I was gonna say now but anyway the 706 00:35:27,289 --> 00:35:29,519 I don't really mind 707 00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,739 the place because most of those they're trying to you know 708 00:35:33,739 --> 00:35:35,199 fix them up so that 709 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,139 they look pretty good and it probably would in you know 710 00:35:39,139 --> 00:35:40,360 would help our back 711 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:46,159 fence you know but the wires you know which way they go and 712 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:47,400 all like that we 713 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,619 feel sure that they'll go down to the water place down 714 00:35:51,619 --> 00:35:53,639 there and so they that 715 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,239 would have to come across our property you know so that's 716 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,079 all okay thank you 717 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:06,440 thanks for your comments question of a question of staff 718 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,519 about Hartley Road and 719 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:14,480 Sherman Drive out that far am I correct are these county 720 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,880 roads and that's who 721 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,119 would be dealing with the maintenance and repair that's an 722 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:21,679 excellent question 723 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:27,909 and I wonder if there's there's someone with an answer it 724 00:36:27,909 --> 00:36:30,280 looks like Phil does 725 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:35,260 so Sherman drives far in the market road that would be Tex 726 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:36,800 dot the internal 727 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,420 Hartley Field and I'm thinking the first part of Hartley 728 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:40,639 Field is in the city and 729 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:49,210 it turns at the sea limits to a county road thank you okay 730 00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:52,280 is there any anyone 731 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,239 else who would like to I'm sorry we have someone in the 732 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,039 back there yes I'm 733 00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:05,170 Elizabeth Faring and I live in the Hartley Field area on C 734 00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:06,519 oyote Point we're 735 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:12,130 not in the city but we're in the EJT ETJ one of those I 736 00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:14,039 just wanted to say we I 737 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:18,210 we do have a substation now on Kingsrow as you all know and 738 00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:19,519 I would like there 739 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:24,030 to be equitable sharing of the joy of having a substation 740 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:26,000 so close and so if 741 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,960 there is possibility find another spot and within the city 742 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,239 because that's a lot 743 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,760 of substations really close and especially to follow up on 744 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,840 what Ned said 745 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,059 if there is any kind of health issues in there may or may 746 00:37:40,059 --> 00:37:41,960 not be but certainly we 747 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,380 would be in the crossfire so just to consider that maybe 748 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:46,480 you could look a 749 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,239 little bit more thank you 750 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:59,400 there anyone else who would like to speak again is there 751 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,840 anyone any public who'd like to speak for the fill that 752 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,039 part I do have some 753 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:10,280 cards I'll read those after we finish all the speakers so I 754 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,280 'll ask one more time if there's anybody else who'd like to 755 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,159 speak on behalf in opposition or in favor of any of these 756 00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:26,360 proposed sites hearing none then we will I'll read these 757 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,440 into the public hearing 758 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:33,219 section these are we did not want to wish to speak but did 759 00:38:33,219 --> 00:38:33,519 fill out a comment 760 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:40,320 card Jerry McClendon 2729 Hartman Court comments were the 761 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,639 area on Hartman Field Road 762 00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:47,250 near the use car lot is not a place for substation road too 763 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:48,519 narrow for work 764 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:52,739 crew and too congested for all please reconsider plan on 765 00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:55,639 placement of substation 766 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:03,380 we also have a comment card from Senator Marsh at 5513 Wood 767 00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:04,280 land Hills Drive 768 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:12,280 and I am against the proposed site on Hartley Field 769 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,730 anybody that's one more time there's any other anybody who 770 00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:21,320 'd like to make a 771 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:28,400 comment in the comment section go to me if not then we'll 772 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,599 close the public 773 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:52,000 hearing let us I guess they couldn't hear me so they any 774 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,119 any member of the 775 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:58,739 committee who would like to make a comment or have 776 00:39:58,739 --> 00:40:00,840 questions or see see 777 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:09,840 any more information I do have Brendan I wonder at the when 778 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,840 we presented this to 779 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,590 the public did we present a GIS option did we show them 780 00:40:14,590 --> 00:40:16,239 images of what gas 781 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,239 insulated substations look like as opposed to the ones that 782 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:19,719 they're 783 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,170 commenting on no sir there's no there's no presentation of 784 00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:24,519 a GIS option was that 785 00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,400 not a consideration at all you know those are those are 786 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,480 pretty unusual 787 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,079 substations to build and so it wasn't one that we 788 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:32,840 considered for this site I 789 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,159 guess I thought that at the last the last time we ran into 790 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:37,800 a situation where 791 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:44,239 the public was concerned about its view was over there on 792 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,599 Eagle the Eagle 793 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,190 substation and I thought we were going to kind of roll that 794 00:40:48,190 --> 00:40:48,599 into our 795 00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:53,030 consideration of substations just as generally so due to 796 00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:54,480 the doubling of cost 797 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,440 the cost for GIS substation usually those have been used in 798 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,119 places where 799 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,000 there's very limited amount of land available okay and so 800 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,960 that's not the 801 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,429 case here it's not the limitation of land would drive it to 802 00:41:06,429 --> 00:41:07,079 us it'd be for 803 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:11,329 appearance only but the the main reason it hadn't been 804 00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:12,400 considered is because the 805 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:18,880 doubling of cost here and access to open land okay okay and 806 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,039 a few people 807 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,099 mentioned the Kings Row substation and I guess what I'm 808 00:41:23,099 --> 00:41:24,599 noticing here by this map 809 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:29,719 is that it's actually on a 69 kilovolt line and this is on 810 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,880 a different line altogether. 811 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,760 That's a very good observation yes that is the reason for 812 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,760 placing this one in 813 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,750 this location is these are on two different transmission 814 00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:39,559 line circuits to 815 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,699 point about locating this substation site further up 816 00:41:43,699 --> 00:41:45,360 Sherman driver further 817 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,800 north you drag with that a transmission line going up and 818 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,159 down with that and so 819 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:55,230 that's a reason we're trying to stay along the existing 820 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:56,360 transmission line 821 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,300 route is so we don't have to build additional transmission 822 00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:00,599 lines because 823 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:04,469 no do as well received as our substations so trying to just 824 00:42:04,469 --> 00:42:05,119 make use of 825 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:10,920 what we have do do we anticipate any additional lines in 826 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,920 and out of this 827 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,750 particular substation or just as one line in and one line 828 00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:15,559 out like we're 829 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:21,840 saying this one line in one line out okay okay okay thank 830 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,719 you okay Barbara is 831 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,079 this the northern most we looked at these sites is this a 832 00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:30,559 site the yellow 833 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:34,329 site is that the northern location that you're talking 834 00:42:34,329 --> 00:42:35,960 about now as opposed to 835 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,280 the earlier one no we're just located here is where we 836 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,960 originally took it to 837 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,199 open house since then taking in and figured out the 838 00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:44,960 engineering could take 839 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,409 it buried to the north piece of that property all the way 840 00:42:48,409 --> 00:42:49,239 to the top piece 841 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,349 that property so this would move up this yellow side okay 842 00:42:52,349 --> 00:42:53,920 so would the diagonal 843 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,000 line on the west would that also be moved up yes there 844 00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,760 would be lines that 845 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,719 would go in and out from the structures there but had to be 846 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,719 like one span so it 847 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,480 wouldn't be a common line between mr. poppies property and 848 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,559 the substation it 849 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,619 would be adjoining that line yes but but the structures we 850 00:43:15,619 --> 00:43:16,760 would build to just go 851 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,849 off that line into one span in one span out to northern 852 00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:24,000 part of that property 853 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:37,920 okay anyone else questions no thank you okay 854 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,320 are there any any member who would like to make a 855 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,840 recommendation at this time 856 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,719 this will again this is headed for more than likely another 857 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,360 public hearing with 858 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:59,239 City Council but we are we are asked to consider making a 859 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,119 recommendation to the 860 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:08,469 council on which site would would be preferable so I'll 861 00:44:08,469 --> 00:44:11,840 open that up to anyone 862 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:28,500 stuff decision I know you know one thing is we've done in 863 00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:30,320 the past is to show 864 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,079 some renderings of some of these substations on what the 865 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,360 view is like what 866 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,929 it looks like from a ground level I think that would be 867 00:44:38,929 --> 00:44:40,920 very helpful and I 868 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,320 don't know if we did that at the open house but it's it 869 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,239 could be I'm curious 870 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,429 about on the yellow side the slope of the hill how that's 871 00:44:51,429 --> 00:44:52,440 affected really what 872 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,050 you can see from Hartley Field and from other areas it 873 00:44:58,050 --> 00:45:01,360 doesn't sound like it's a 874 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,550 huge mountain but you know I think probably just and it may 875 00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:07,599 it may look 876 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,420 worse than what everybody imagines it may but I'm thinking 877 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:11,280 it's gonna look 878 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,159 better than what we're imagining I'm kind of maybe that's 879 00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:16,840 why we're not 880 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,150 getting a recommendation from from this board is because of 881 00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:21,639 that yes sir to 882 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:23,469 answer your question we didn't have a photo simulation for 883 00:45:23,469 --> 00:45:24,000 this one we can 884 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,400 certainly order one those tend to take about four weeks to 885 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,159 get and so it would 886 00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,769 take some amount of time before we would have that in hand 887 00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:30,280 but we can 888 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:37,320 certainly do that okay yes Marla okay the same number of 889 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,719 lines going in and 890 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:45,210 out or what we see right now is that correct Phil saying 891 00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:49,119 yes transmission 892 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:53,340 lines yes so in this one there'll be eight feeders coming 893 00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:55,059 out probably so 894 00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:57,170 those are distribution lines distribution lines will come 895 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:57,340 out 896 00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:00,559 underground go out to the main street like Sherman Drive 897 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:01,840 and come up overhead 898 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,050 there that won't increase I'll have to say I've lived in 899 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:08,559 the area of the old 900 00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:15,590 Kings Row substation for 40 plus years and I've tried to 901 00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:17,440 sell property where 902 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,360 they ran across the back lines and some people would object 903 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,079 but it basically 904 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:28,119 didn't make a difference the houses sold and I remember the 905 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:29,239 research on that 906 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,739 people got sick from this and I'm totally unaware of 907 00:46:33,739 --> 00:46:35,079 anything I know that 908 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,469 research was done but I don't know that there was a 909 00:46:38,469 --> 00:46:40,199 positive thing about it 910 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:46,389 causing people any help health issues and I when we were 911 00:46:46,389 --> 00:46:48,719 looking at the other 912 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,090 King that other station nearby I went over there because 913 00:46:53,090 --> 00:46:53,960 some of the neighbors 914 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,340 said there's a lot of noise I didn't hear a lot of noise I 915 00:46:58,340 --> 00:46:59,280 hear more from 916 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,239 airplanes going overhead than I heard from from the subst 917 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,840 ation so I don't know 918 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,130 that that's going to be a problem and I don't know that 919 00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:10,719 that research of health 920 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:16,889 issues was ever substantiated to respond to that World 921 00:47:16,889 --> 00:47:18,360 Health Organization did a 922 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,519 study it was very conclusive study about a decade ago of 923 00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,480 concerned about that and 924 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,489 certainly if anyone be concerned about be people that work 925 00:47:28,489 --> 00:47:29,360 around electric 926 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,800 lines day in day out we were concerned for our employees 927 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,760 health as far as far 928 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,639 as well as the health of neighbors next door they did not 929 00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,000 find any correlation 930 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,550 between that although it been suggested our prior studies 931 00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:48,760 theirs were pretty 932 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,639 conclusive as far as once you got the distance of the East 933 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:52,400 man away from 934 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,639 electric lines the effects were noticeable on the health of 935 00:47:57,639 --> 00:47:58,320 people next 936 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,139 door going back to the King Joe substation that you 937 00:48:02,139 --> 00:48:03,360 mentioned the 938 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,820 original King Joe substation when it was built was built 939 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:06,639 out the middle of the 940 00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:12,820 country and as you saw houses built right next door I mean 941 00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:14,199 back up to us 942 00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,400 enough so that we've learned our lesson that we want more 943 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,519 buffer on most of 944 00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,579 substations in the future and that's what we try to do and 945 00:48:21,579 --> 00:48:22,480 that's what we're 946 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,940 trying to do in this situation is get out ahead of the 947 00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:25,800 growth and get a 948 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:34,400 substation out in this site before growth happens okay yes 949 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,320 Charlie feel 950 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,199 before you sit down you mentioned the distribution lines 951 00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:39,119 going out to Sherman 952 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,019 Drive would you give us the indication of where and I 953 00:48:42,019 --> 00:48:43,239 assume that be a right 954 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,800 away involved in that yes I'm looking at my engineers here 955 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,840 as far as I don't know 956 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,300 who got as far enough design yet to determine where the 957 00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:52,320 distribution features 958 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,599 will come out I doubt we have 959 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,909 and so they would come out they would come out from the 960 00:49:06,909 --> 00:49:08,639 substation probably 961 00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,139 half would come out to Sherman Drive another half would 962 00:49:11,139 --> 00:49:11,800 come out Hartley 963 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,480 Field Road and they would come out underground initially 964 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,360 and then go 965 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,329 with the overhead lines down the road probably a span or 966 00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:21,320 two away from the 967 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,320 substation 968 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,920 no not planned I say no plan right now there's not I say 969 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:37,719 not let me correct 970 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,530 that there's no plan right now there's nothing we served in 971 00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:42,159 that direction if 972 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,309 in the future there was a development happened that we 973 00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:45,519 served then yes there 974 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,590 would be lines going down if that was lines would happen no 975 00:49:47,590 --> 00:49:48,280 matter where we 976 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,920 served from from this substation or one down the road 977 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,400 existing area yes 978 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,309 Terrell if you won't recognize anybody from the other one 979 00:50:09,309 --> 00:50:22,280 sorry yes yes I mean 980 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,000 every every substation has different topography located to 981 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,239 it that one that 982 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,610 one was very challenging because it was kind of built into 983 00:50:29,610 --> 00:50:30,440 the side of the hill 984 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,150 and this one in the yellow side would have some of those 985 00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:35,559 same issues as far as 986 00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:39,440 the hill being there 987 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,679 so that was just a question I just raised to my engineering 988 00:50:58,679 --> 00:50:59,920 staff was for us 989 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,880 to if a decision was made here probably before the City 990 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,039 Council public hearing 991 00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:09,429 for us to investigate the possibility of an access easement 992 00:51:09,429 --> 00:51:10,280 for construction 993 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,000 traffic take the construction traffic off or you fit Harley 994 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,280 Field Road not 995 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,099 committing that just saying we'll look into it and see if 996 00:51:17,099 --> 00:51:18,239 that's a possibility 997 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,599 in that way to take the construction traffic off of there 998 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,360 okay any other questions of the board members of Phil or 999 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,440 still ask if there's 1000 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:40,000 any recommendation for a site from anybody or some 1001 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,159 something we can pass 1002 00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:47,119 along to the council with our comments or recommendations 1003 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:48,159 if you want to 1004 00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:53,539 eliminate some sites or make some suggestions that might be 1005 00:51:53,539 --> 00:51:54,960 helpful but Mr. 1006 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,320 Chairman yes Charlie I'd like to make a recommendation okay 1007 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,000 I recommend that we 1008 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,429 send forth the option of the yellow site with the provision 1009 00:52:03,429 --> 00:52:05,199 that it be sited on 1010 00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:10,809 the northernmost edge of the property and that DME does 1011 00:52:10,809 --> 00:52:13,599 investigate the option 1012 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:18,559 of having a right away for construction purposes okay back 1013 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,519 to the West back to 1014 00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:28,519 428 okay okay that's stated in a motion I guess okay is 1015 00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:29,360 there a second to that 1016 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:36,920 motion I'll second second by Susan any discussion on that I 1017 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,760 think although 1018 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,820 everybody except one gentleman was here to speak in 1019 00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:45,360 opposition to the yellow 1020 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:51,420 site it it unfortunately seems to make the most sense and I 1021 00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:52,719 know that it's 1022 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:58,420 unsightly I live two blocks from the West Oak Hickory 1023 00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:00,079 Street substation the 1024 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,139 big giant one that's right there on the west side of our 1025 00:53:03,139 --> 00:53:03,920 town that's actually 1026 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,550 being built there's already one there and I think that's a 1027 00:53:07,550 --> 00:53:08,320 hit that we 1028 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,750 sometimes take to to provide the electrical infrastructure 1029 00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:13,599 that we're 1030 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:20,309 looking for I would encourage you to to hold to hold the 1031 00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:22,360 city to any any options 1032 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,320 that you have like for the construction easement for any 1033 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,000 kinds of aesthetic 1034 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,440 improvements that can be made the the substation that I was 1035 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,320 just speaking of 1036 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:41,239 the Hickory Street substation yeah a committee was created 1037 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,599 to come up with 1038 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,579 aesthetic wall coverings and some other things so if this 1039 00:53:46,579 --> 00:53:48,000 does end up being in 1040 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,920 your neighborhood I think that you should push for those 1041 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,880 types of things to 1042 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,239 make it more visually attractive to you that seemed to be 1043 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,159 the bulk of the 1044 00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:59,119 complaint was that it was visually unattractive and they 1045 00:53:59,119 --> 00:53:59,760 are indeed 1046 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:07,179 visually unattractive okay other comments no we have a 1047 00:54:07,179 --> 00:54:08,119 motion a second on 1048 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:14,559 the floor all in favor say aye any opposed same sign okay 1049 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,039 thank you motion 1050 00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:23,409 passes to recommend the yellow site then to the City 1051 00:54:23,409 --> 00:54:26,480 Council thank you I want to 1052 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,190 thank everybody all the public who came here for their 1053 00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:30,400 comments your input was 1054 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:37,789 really appreciated and as Brendan said I think that aesthet 1055 00:54:37,789 --> 00:54:38,960 ically there are some 1056 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,000 things that can be done and and we will make sure that 1057 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,840 those are part of the 1058 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:55,400 part of the process so okay moving on we have items for 1059 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,960 individual consideration 1060 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:06,429 item number a which is consider approval of the public 1061 00:55:06,429 --> 00:55:08,639 utilities board meeting 1062 00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:15,719 minutes of March 27th 2017 a draft copy of those minutes 1063 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,400 have been distributed 1064 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:24,159 in advance are there any comments questions changes 1065 00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:29,199 suggestions hearing 1066 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:38,179 nine and those will be approved as submitted item number B 1067 00:55:38,179 --> 00:55:39,480 is P item 1068 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:45,320 number PUB 17 - 0 8 7 is to consider recommending approval 1069 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,159 of IFB 6 3 7 5 to 1070 00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,679 Dickerson construction company in the amount of 1 million 1071 00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:52,800 thirty eight thousand 1072 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,210 one hundred eighty seven dollars for the construction of 1073 00:55:55,210 --> 00:55:55,920 the pecan Creek 1074 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,210 Interceptor for project and I believe we have Jim Wilder 1075 00:56:00,210 --> 00:56:01,800 with staff who's going 1076 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,800 to make this presentation 1077 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,099 my name is Jim Wilder I'm with the engineering services 1078 00:56:13,099 --> 00:56:15,880 department or I'm 1079 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,840 not sure exactly what we're called now I was not really 1080 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,519 aware that this was going 1081 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,739 to be an item for individual consideration so I just 1082 00:56:25,739 --> 00:56:26,599 printed out a 1083 00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:32,369 kind of an aerial of the route of the sanitary sewer this 1084 00:56:32,369 --> 00:56:33,519 is the fourth 1085 00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:39,789 component or installment of the concrete Interceptor 1086 00:56:39,789 --> 00:56:42,320 project it's the very last 1087 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:48,760 one that we have about 2,000 feet is being done because we 1088 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,159 simply don't have 1089 00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:54,670 enough capacity in the existing lines the the original 1090 00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:56,079 concrete Interceptor 1091 00:56:56,079 --> 00:57:03,860 was built in the early 1960s it is built probably for a 1092 00:57:03,860 --> 00:57:05,400 size of a town about half 1093 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,800 the size of done is now and so it's been out of capacity 1094 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,639 for probably good 10 to 1095 00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:17,849 15 years and we're going to finally be able to close that 1096 00:57:17,849 --> 00:57:19,440 gap will be then in 1097 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,389 compliance with the Clean Water Act which is an important 1098 00:57:24,389 --> 00:57:25,199 thing for us as a 1099 00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:30,239 wastewater utility to do and so this is the reason for the 1100 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:32,280 project we got five 1101 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,610 bids we just bid it here last month they were generally 1102 00:57:37,610 --> 00:57:39,000 within the range that we 1103 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,769 thought we would get the low bidder is Dickerson 1104 00:57:41,769 --> 00:57:43,360 Construction Company which is 1105 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,809 a local construction company that we work with many times 1106 00:57:46,809 --> 00:57:47,840 before they should 1107 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,710 be able to do the job well we've got a good working 1108 00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:54,079 relationship with them and 1109 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:59,710 the project came in just slightly under budget in terms of 1110 00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:00,719 the the construction 1111 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:06,019 costs that's pretty much all I have if you have any 1112 00:58:06,019 --> 00:58:07,320 questions I'd be happy to 1113 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,760 answer them 1114 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:17,150 questions an interceptor is typically a sanitary sewer line 1115 00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:19,360 that's generally 1116 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,579 about 15 inches or larger the reason we call it interceptor 1117 00:58:23,579 --> 00:58:24,440 versus just a 1118 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,420 standard collector line is because it's gathering flow from 1119 00:58:28,420 --> 00:58:29,679 a much larger area 1120 00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,480 and it's dealing with much larger flow rates than then like 1121 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,579 say the the line 1122 00:58:34,579 --> 00:58:37,530 that's in your neighborhood that collects the flow from 1123 00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:39,079 your house this 1124 00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,039 isn't those concrete creeks that run through the town no no 1125 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:43,800 no this would be 1126 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,760 a in this particular circumstance would be a 30 inch line 1127 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,559 it'll be buried about 1128 00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:54,440 probably 12 to 15 feet deep you can see from the route part 1129 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,320 of it runs right 1130 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,460 next to Denton High that's why we've scheduled the project 1131 00:58:59,460 --> 00:58:59,960 to begin 1132 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:04,989 immediately and as soon as school starts so that portion of 1133 00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:06,320 the project is 1134 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,449 supposed to be built during June and July while the kids 1135 00:59:11,449 --> 00:59:12,440 are out of school 1136 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,400 and then it runs up behind some homes into a property that 1137 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,280 Denton ISD owns we 1138 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,909 already have an easement there and so we're putting it in 1139 00:59:22,909 --> 00:59:31,360 the easement yes 1140 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,719 they're joining existing lines that have already been put 1141 00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:37,039 in yeah to the north 1142 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:42,000 was just put in with the US 380 relocation project its new 1143 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,920 line and to 1144 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,590 the east is where the concrete three project just finished 1145 00:59:48,590 --> 00:59:52,920 last summer okay 1146 00:59:52,920 --> 01:00:00,289 questions no there's no recommendation to award the bid or 1147 01:00:00,289 --> 01:00:02,960 approve the I have be 1148 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,570 to Dickerson construction company move approval the motion 1149 01:00:08,570 --> 01:00:09,559 by Barbara is there 1150 01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:16,039 second second second by Lillio any discussion all in favor 1151 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:17,880 say aye any 1152 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:23,940 opposed same sign okay motion passes next we have the ACM 1153 01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:29,840 update the new 1154 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:35,449 business metrics any comments on that John I just would 1155 01:00:35,449 --> 01:00:36,079 point out that we've 1156 01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:39,280 have one item outstanding we're still working on a report 1157 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,280 on comparing the 1158 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,110 city number of city employees we have in our water and 1159 01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:43,440 wastewater departments 1160 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,030 and we hope to have that very soon the other two items we 1161 01:00:46,030 --> 01:00:47,000 completed at our last 1162 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:54,739 meeting okay any member who would like to see you have put 1163 01:00:54,739 --> 01:00:55,760 something on the new 1164 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,599 business matrix Barbara when you had asked for this you 1165 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:00,880 didn't want it to 1166 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,510 just be water and wastewater correct no what what my idea 1167 01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:08,119 was was just to see 1168 01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:13,519 how we how we relate with other cities similar sizes on 1169 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,400 their own utilities do 1170 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,619 we have less employees do we have more employees I just 1171 01:01:20,619 --> 01:01:24,440 wanted that comparison 1172 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:34,079 we're working on that we'll have that for you okay okay at 1173 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:35,199 this time we we do 1174 01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:41,010 have a closed meeting item to discuss so at this time we 1175 01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:43,519 will go into our closed 1176 01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:45,679 meeting