Apr 10, 2017 Public Utilities Board on 2017-04-10 9:00 AM

April 10th 2017 public utility board meeting to order. We have a quorum here and we our first first agenda item is to hold a public hearing. Item number PUB 17-065 to hold a public hearing consider recommending that the City Council adopt a resolution regarding the proposed site for construction of the what's known as the Hartley Field substation. So for staff I believe the presentation is going to be by Brian Dascombs. Brian if you would please. Good morning board and members of the public thank you for taking some time this morning to discuss this item. So for this for this substation we're needing to we're needing to construct a substation to meet the growth that we've had and then let me give you a quick visual on that those of you that were at the public hearing or rather the open house would have seen this that a lot of our infrastructure was constructed back in the 60s and since that time we've had of course a lot of growth as people have moved into Denton as businesses have moved into Denton and so DME has the requirement to meet that growth and so that's what we're attempting to do with this substation. As the electric provider in this area DME has a responsibility to meet that growth. We've proposed five different substation locations and there'll be a map with those with those sites here shortly and as we've discussed this item with the public it seems to us that two sites have risen to the top and are worthy of further consideration although certainly any of the five are possible for us we can from an engineering perspective we can we can build on any of those. As a reminder this is generally to the north of town just north of 288 across from the water park there at the Hartley Field Road and Sherman Drive. Here closer in you can see those five sites that we've that we've offered to the public the five options that we've considered. You can see there's a yellow site that has a purple background on it that purple background signifies the property that's owned. Oh I'm sorry and you can see that that yellow side is has a purple background and that purple background signifies property that's owned currently by the city of Denton and it's that yellow site and then the blue site on the other side of Sherman that seemed to us at this point to be the two most viable sites. Now this is a fairly complicated map and I apologize for the complexity but I think there's some good information on here so I quickly wanted to show you that there's a TAM area that's on the bottom left of this map and that goes diagonally through the center and that shows the area that is in which DME is certified as the as the only entity that can serve electric load and so that's the area in which we have sole responsibility for providing electric load and then over to the upper right side of the map you can see there's an area in slightly lighter tan I apologize the colors don't have more contrast but that shows an area that's certified to be served by DME by co-serve and by TXU so any of any of those utilities can serve load in that area and I understand that that DME is often not the provider for that area that 's off to the east and that's the area that's represented by a lot of people here and then that purple area is certified to be served by DME and co-serve you can also see there's the the area that is within the city limits and that's the part that has that red or rather that black hash mark and then the the red signifies the area that's in the ETJ and then the blank area is simply outside of the city limits all right well back at the end of January we held an open house and we sent out 40 notifications for that meeting now the reason we sent out 40 is because we send out notifications for everyone within 500 feet that's either a property owner or a resident within 500 feet of any of the proposed options and we recognize that there was a community to the east of that site that they wouldn't get those notifications so we put out a large sign to try to attract attention and in this time for this public hearing for the first time we've used next door neighborhood based social network to try to get the word out so we're we're trying to get the word out to that community and in fact they did show up in large numbers and filled out a lot of comment forms to show us their preference for for which site they wanted and their preference was was pretty clear the preference of that neighborhood you can see the further away it is over to the to the West the more they tended to like it and the more it was on Hartley Field Road there's a clear preference that that it not be there there was clear opposition to that to add a little bit of complexity to this picture we also heard from the landowner there's one landowner that owns both the blue and the green side and that landowner did not want to sell they did not want to sell us the land and they didn't want to substation put there and also the school district indicated that they would prefer that it be on the other side of Sherman there so so over they preferred the yellow pink and orange sides and so that adds some complexity to the to the reaction that we've heard from the neighborhood this is a map showing where those comments came from you can see as I mentioned most of the comments came over from from the east of the proposed options based on the feedback that we heard at that public hearing we heard people saying they didn't want it close to Hartley Field Road and so we've engineered a design that if the yellow site were chosen it would push it up further north further away from the road and here's a closer layout of that blue site which is the other the other side of the two that we think of have risen to the top this is just an overview of the cost and it doesn't it doesn't take into consideration which site we would build on it again we can from an engineering perspective we can build on any of these sites and we don't expect that total budget cost to change dramatically depending on which site is chosen we've already had the public open house of course we're having the public hearing with pub right now and then if we if we're so directed we'll hold a public hearing with the City Council and that will be another evening meeting and that will give the City Council an opportunity to choose a site I'll be happy to answer any questions any questions of Brian Brian yes ma'am how did the city come to own that property the water department purchased that for a project that never that never materialized okay I'll leave any other members a map for so you're you're saying essentially the any either of those sites the budgets gonna be about the cost is gonna be about the same from getting the getting to TMPA lines and yes sir yes sir there will be some some transactional ease I suppose if we went with the yellow site because the city already owns that property and that property owner for the blue and the green has indicated that they don't want to sell and so that could make it a longer process a more contentious process but we don't expect it to finally make a real substantial difference on those estimated costs okay okay anybody else no thank you Brian okay we do have we do have some requests from to speak I think we have six requests and what I'll do I'll call you if you if you don't mind when I call you if you'll come up to the podium and state your name and address and you know there's there's only six typically three minutes I don't know if we even have a timer we do have a timer okay you know if it takes you three and a half or whatever don't don't sweat it sometimes it takes a little longer to get your point out so we want to make sure everybody's heard and then we'll if any of the members of the board have any questions of the speaker then we can do at that time so we'll start off with Fritz pop poppy is that poppy thank you mr. poppy oh I'm sorry if you'll go to the microphone please state your name and address for the record Fritz poppy 2743 Hartley Field Road Denton I must speak to the property that's in yellow initially in the 70s we bought 40 acres on Hartley Field Road and in the early 80s we sold 37 acres off to a lady eye doctor in Dallas and she subsequently sold the 16 acres to the city for that proposed water project and then she quit paying us for the balance and we had to foreclose on on the other 20 acres but anyway since then we 've lived on three and a half acres approximately and that diagonal line is our back property line and from the start when I first heard about this project I said I really don't want to cross the street from me and in our front yard the city already owns the land it I said I don't mind that they put it on that property but it should be to the north end and not up against my fence line and that 's also a little lower level it's on high ground where the diagonal is is almost to the top of the hill and so you know if it's on the far north end of the property I don't you know we'll hardly see it so that's my opinion on it I said if they insist on putting it up along my property line I'd like you to buy my property thank you mr. poppy could you locate for your where you live this is our home side and this is 2.7 acres thank you thank you okay next we have Anita Weisner I'm Anita Wozner I own two properties I own a property at 5512 Woodland Hills Road which is just to the to the right of the yellow where the blocks start and also another one on the corner of Hartley Court and Hartley Field Road I've been there in that area 43 years I've seen a lot of things change mostly the junk man on the way in but at the same point I don't think it's fair to plop a great big substation similar to the one down on Kings Row right behind where the houses are when people have property values there that will go down because of that thing it's huge it's bad enough we drive in Hartley Field Road and have to see that mess on the left without having to see massive electrical things and towers and big whatever those are I understand we need power out there I know there are houses coming I know progress is good my thing is why can't they put it where there are no houses at the moment either in blue or green doesn't really matter which but away from the houses so that when they do come and progress does come which it will houses will come they will wind up selling that land eventually and the houses will come they need the power but put it where the people can get used to it where it's already existing and they can say oh okay this is already here I know I'm moving next to this not by houses that have been there decades and decades and have to go ooh now we got to drive by that you know we've got so many things out there already the big towers out there the junk man's out there we've got a water park we can't even get out on a Friday night if you live out in that area you try to get out and turn any direction you can't they run the stop sign on Long Road continuously there's traffic what this all boils down to is I just don't think and I think I have a lot of people that are behind me that that particular yellow pink or orange are going to be good viable spots for the neighborhood and if they want to be good neighbors and do things that would help us or at least lean towards our favor I think green or blue would be optimum and I understand they don't own that land but I just don't think putting another unsightly something else on Hartley Field Road is fair I just don't think it's right so that's pretty much about all I have to say but I hope that they understand and realize that if they lived any one of you lived out there you'd understand driving down every day nobody wants to go by a junkyard or by great big electrical whatever it is if it were over to the side in the field either green or blue it would be out of the way it wouldn't be uns ightly you wouldn't really see much of it from our point of view and those that move into that area when it becomes developed won't have to worry with oh I don 't want one here it's already there it's been there you bought a house there you knew it was there so I guess that's all I have to say I just wanted to say how very unhappy I am and very disappointed that they chose a place on Hartley Field Road that's it thank you question does anybody have any questions I've got one question mr. poppy alluded to the fact that there was a rise and then a little bump it slopes down to the to the north a little bit yes is and I guess and I understand driving by it you know you don't want to drive by that those there's no there's there's not many ways to make these things pretty yeah yeah I understand that and it's not a tiny hill I mean it's not a big hill it's you know I'm just we're not talking a mountain that's gonna hide it I wish yeah if if I guess if we put it as far north if the station went as far north as it could I mean I'm sure to be better having it right on Hartley Field Road but still I'm just trying to find if there is there somewhere on that and that's what we all are trying to do in our neighborhood yeah in my neighborhood we're just trying to find a happy medium for everybody not just for one but for everybody and it's just gonna be really hard like I say most of us have lived out there decades and our property values are fair but you start putting something like that in people aren't gonna want to come down the road they aren't gonna want to come to that neighborhood they're gonna go oh gee I don't want to live next to that which there's only one other person other than poor mr. poppy that would be right on top of it would be further down in that big white spot in between the yellow and the red line right and that is currently owned by someone that we can't really do anything about well we'd like to but we won't that's not legal all right so anyway we call code enforcement all we can y'all just don't have enough codes for that but anyway that's neither here nor there we're not on that right now the big thing with the substation is visual for us yeah you know it's hard enough for us to get out on a Friday night there's no stoplight on Long Road no nothing if they put that down there maybe people would take an extra second maybe you know not that that has to do with traffic but people slow down a bit when there's great big things right beside you I know that sounds kind of irrelevant but they do they have children in the car except or right now there's nothing but a field they hit that and they don't even stop it's we call it a ro llo because they roll right up and load on up so it's hard enough to get on Sherman Drive and visually it's a beautiful place out there if you've never been out there it's fields it's gorgeous except for one little itty-bitty spot and we don't want two spots one is googops we really we got googops trust me come down Hartley Field Road look left we got googops we don't need something else unsightly out there really and I know we need power I'm not disputing that at all growth is coming I hear they're gonna put a bunch of houses out on Hartley Field Airport which is the great big square way way way down Hartley Field Road so there are houses coming they are gonna need power but I don't see any reason they can't get it from the green or the blue in my opinion okay so thank you thank you for your comments next we have Sharon Kramer if you would okay okay thank you thank you for getting the name right it is Sharon Kramer good job thank that he is disconcerting so I 've lived in my spot yes addresses three five seven four pine trail which is just off of Hartley Field Road okay and I've lived there since 1979 and what you all don't know is the condition of Hartley Field Road it's not gonna it's not going to stand up well to the construction of a substation there we all remember the construction on Kings Row and the jam it caused on the loop and those are divided two lanes during the entire construction and the Kings Row was a little bit off the loop so to put something that you can only access off of Hartley Field which is barely two lanes and there's no division a county is responsible for it right about where you're gonna need to access that and again as as you just heard you're putting it in an established a neighborhood and it will impact our property values and it will impact our view the blue and the group the the blue and the green neighborhoods not established you already have a sort of non-neighborhood complex with the water park there and you've got a couple of other different ways to get to your construction site hauling big trucks in to do construction and getting them on that getting them onto Hartley Field off of Sherman Drive we're all going to be taking the back roads to get out in the mornings and in the evenings during the long construction period just not it's not an optimal site to put something that big in a neighborhood that is already established so I have really nothing much new to add but an iteration of construction problems and kind of bad neighbor policy okay any questions no thank you very much thanks for your comments next speaker we have is Ned Woodbridge mr. Woodbridge good morning I'm Ned Woodbridge 3596 Hartley Field Road excuse me thank you for providing the opportunity for us to speak this morning appreciate it I'm not going to speak in I don't recall an opposition because I want to say that I recognize the need for DME to support growth in the community and an understanding that the access for the axis for growth will be northward along Sherman Drive 428 understand the need to you know to service that area potentially however I do think that that you know one you know I question why are we locating this so close to existing substations you know this is about a half a mile from you know the 288 loop Kings Row substation it's less probably a mile from that from the Denton North substation you know you look at it you look at the map and you can see that it's that you know it 's very crowded right in here you know it doesn't look to me like that that is optimum placement for for such a substation that the optimum placement will be further north along that axis of growth so that's kind of point number one point number two is I you know as other speakers this morning have indicated I think this is this will significantly impact really the pleasurable use of our homes in our community and also it you know this will be will cause a diminution property values if we place this on the yellow zone right here along Berkeley Field Road or on the we talked about the pink or the orange the you know a electric substation is is a substantial you know fixture and that would occur you just go look at the ones that have been built recently around and there's no question it's not just the substation itself which is surrounded by walls it has but it has high structure that can be seen from quite a distance it also there would be power lines coming in and out and emanating from it you know there there's certainly one that would pass through at this time but I could imagine ultimately there might be others that would emanate from it like a spider like the legs of a spider going out to serve the community so it's more than just you know than what we might see right now thirdly and I don't know much veracity to put in this but you know there certainly are potential health implications there are studies I've read the studies that are out there that that suggests that there may be health implications for for communities that live too close to power stations and power you know the high voltage power lines that's that's clearly in dispute you know there but then we just want to put that on the table that there are there are studies that are out there and I guess I also my last thing I want to conclude that it's for me it's better to locate if we need to locate it within this route this this area and as I said up I think that probably be better located further up north along the axis of growth for the community that it would be the we do it on the west side of Sherman Drive which is in either the blue or the or the green areas thank you sorry I didn't have a mic on them still getting used to this thank you next we have Anne Woodbridge okay just it's not noted on the card okay okay your comment comments I'll read the comments that's okay comments were to locate the substation on the west side of 428 away from existing residential yeah thank you okay and David Cullen Cullen yes names David Culkin actually live in Austin Texas but I am my sister and I are the owners of the property on which the blue and the green site are located it's been the family for decades it's an old family farm it's still operated as a farm today I am here I to voice my opposition to the site for a number of reasons you know over the years we've we've seen the area grow we've had the gas pipeline that easement come across the property of course the power lines across the property those those additions over time have obviously subdivided the property in some ways but you know the long- term future in invariably for that area and for that property is probably going to be some kind of development probably for homes but you know every time a site plan has been sort of reviewed for that sort of thing most of the access for that kind of thing is going to be in this part of the property so a substation would have substantial impact on that the ability for that to be done I'd also point out the site as it's currently planned I mean if everybody's been up there that's really just sort of out in the middle of a field so in terms of visibility there would be this would be something that would be visible for the community for forever going forward it's right there on the roadside there's really no there's no geography that's going to really hide this site so in terms of its impact for any kind of development it would be substantial we do oppose it because we know that it would greatly diminish the value of the overall property that particular property is 237 acres but again as I say a lot of the access for it is long for 28 and for a long road for that reason again I I don't think it's the best of the community I do appreciate of course for folks who are already out there how this impacts them but I think the other way to look at it this is that there are many more people who will be living in this area in the future and this site as it's proposed right now will have a huge negative impact for them and honestly everybody in the area so thank you any questions I have just a couple questions I know that and I know we can't see the aerial here but you're talking about the power lines that came through can you kind of point on the map where the power lines go through now approximately okay so this dotted line okay so it basically the southern border of the green and the northern border the blue there we've spent a reasonable amount actually having you know some engineering firms look at what site development would eventually look like in every case this part of the property is one of the sort of more key parts for that access especially if we want to have access that doesn't drive more traffic in front of the school district in front of the buildings there so again this kind of a substation would would greatly reduce the sort of flexibility associated with development in the area but again it's also as you can see even just from looking at the satellite imagery you're really out in exposed field so out here there would be no hiding this substation it would be visible from you know from every direction honestly and something that would be my opinion be an eyesore honestly for the area but again a big impact on our property so okay all right thank you thank you thanks for your comments you bet okay those are those are all the requests to speak is there any other anybody here that would like to speak that has not filled out a card or had a chance yes ma'am if you'll come up to the podium please okay yeah I'm sorry yeah if you'll just state your name and address and then into the well anyway our property almost joins this the it's the back of it we've been out there we bought the land in 68 we didn't build until our children got pretty big that was a good idea because we didn't want to have to scoot kids back and forth I'm a retired teacher so I always consider kids the only thing I would say is that I don't really approve of having one of those across from a school I know that anyway that's not what I came up here to say the do you know or do any of you know if the land I don't know maybe mr. poppy knows but anyway at one time when the city was going to put gigantic towers out there we fought and fought and fought for that and they finally decided not to do it but anyway they said that there would be an easement or a road going down to 428 I don't know if that's a big deal but it's a little bit better than doing it doing it on for on Hartley field I agree that the traffic is out there is just unbelievable especially every week when they have a bicycle thing they stop the traffic down there going into the natatorium and all so it 's really a you know hardship to try to get out but that do you know if the city actually went through with buying an easement to get out on 40 for 28 do any of you know sure you're talking about going back to 428 from the property yes I got you okay I understood they they had had the easement but evidently didn't but anyway the thing also that I worry about it are this lines I don't know which way they're going they would have to go over our property something the other thing is that the what do you call it sewer place my mind is crazy but it's down Hartley field - when they start building it or maybe it's already built we don't know because you can't get in see it down there but it's out of the way but they have trucks that come and go in there I don't know what they're doing but anyway I'm sure that that would have to serve that down there so that would be more you know people going back and forth we don't even have a turn lane up there I guess everybody up there realizes we have to cross a double line to get in to Woodland Hills now the long road you know has a big turn you know thing which they need that but we also need a turn line up there because it's right at the top of the hill right next to the water park and you know you just come up that way and if you're coming from this way you have to cross over you know traffic which isn't legal but you have to get in there something like would you do me a favor before you just your night would you state your name and address I don't think we ever just for the record so we have it and into the and 5547 Woodland Hills that's okay that's all right okay you know where the water comes from it's where the water comes from it fills up that pond you know all the time most of the time it doesn't even go down very much but you have to consider that too when you're starting to build something. okay we're not picking any of this up in the microphone I'm sorry I'm used to talking loud forgot what I was gonna say now but anyway the I don't really mind the place because most of those they're trying to you know fix them up so that they look pretty good and it probably would in you know would help our back fence you know but the wires you know which way they go and all like that we feel sure that they'll go down to the water place down there and so they that would have to come across our property you know so that's all okay thank you thanks for your comments question of a question of staff about Hartley Road and Sherman Drive out that far am I correct are these county roads and that's who would be dealing with the maintenance and repair that's an excellent question and I wonder if there's there's someone with an answer it looks like Phil does so Sherman drives far in the market road that would be Tex dot the internal Hartley Field and I'm thinking the first part of Hartley Field is in the city and it turns at the sea limits to a county road thank you okay is there any anyone else who would like to I'm sorry we have someone in the back there yes I'm Elizabeth Faring and I live in the Hartley Field area on C oyote Point we're not in the city but we're in the EJT ETJ one of those I just wanted to say we I we do have a substation now on Kingsrow as you all know and I would like there to be equitable sharing of the joy of having a substation so close and so if there is possibility find another spot and within the city because that's a lot of substations really close and especially to follow up on what Ned said if there is any kind of health issues in there may or may not be but certainly we would be in the crossfire so just to consider that maybe you could look a little bit more thank you there anyone else who would like to speak again is there anyone any public who'd like to speak for the fill that part I do have some cards I'll read those after we finish all the speakers so I 'll ask one more time if there's anybody else who'd like to speak on behalf in opposition or in favor of any of these proposed sites hearing none then we will I'll read these into the public hearing section these are we did not want to wish to speak but did fill out a comment card Jerry McClendon 2729 Hartman Court comments were the area on Hartman Field Road near the use car lot is not a place for substation road too narrow for work crew and too congested for all please reconsider plan on placement of substation we also have a comment card from Senator Marsh at 5513 Wood land Hills Drive and I am against the proposed site on Hartley Field anybody that's one more time there's any other anybody who 'd like to make a comment in the comment section go to me if not then we'll close the public hearing let us I guess they couldn't hear me so they any any member of the committee who would like to make a comment or have questions or see see any more information I do have Brendan I wonder at the when we presented this to the public did we present a GIS option did we show them images of what gas insulated substations look like as opposed to the ones that they're commenting on no sir there's no there's no presentation of a GIS option was that not a consideration at all you know those are those are pretty unusual substations to build and so it wasn't one that we considered for this site I guess I thought that at the last the last time we ran into a situation where the public was concerned about its view was over there on Eagle the Eagle substation and I thought we were going to kind of roll that into our consideration of substations just as generally so due to the doubling of cost the cost for GIS substation usually those have been used in places where there's very limited amount of land available okay and so that's not the case here it's not the limitation of land would drive it to us it'd be for appearance only but the the main reason it hadn't been considered is because the doubling of cost here and access to open land okay okay and a few people mentioned the Kings Row substation and I guess what I'm noticing here by this map is that it's actually on a 69 kilovolt line and this is on a different line altogether. That's a very good observation yes that is the reason for placing this one in this location is these are on two different transmission line circuits to point about locating this substation site further up Sherman driver further north you drag with that a transmission line going up and down with that and so that's a reason we're trying to stay along the existing transmission line route is so we don't have to build additional transmission lines because no do as well received as our substations so trying to just make use of what we have do do we anticipate any additional lines in and out of this particular substation or just as one line in and one line out like we're saying this one line in one line out okay okay okay thank you okay Barbara is this the northern most we looked at these sites is this a site the yellow site is that the northern location that you're talking about now as opposed to the earlier one no we're just located here is where we originally took it to open house since then taking in and figured out the engineering could take it buried to the north piece of that property all the way to the top piece that property so this would move up this yellow side okay so would the diagonal line on the west would that also be moved up yes there would be lines that would go in and out from the structures there but had to be like one span so it wouldn't be a common line between mr. poppies property and the substation it would be adjoining that line yes but but the structures we would build to just go off that line into one span in one span out to northern part of that property okay anyone else questions no thank you okay are there any any member who would like to make a recommendation at this time this will again this is headed for more than likely another public hearing with City Council but we are we are asked to consider making a recommendation to the council on which site would would be preferable so I'll open that up to anyone stuff decision I know you know one thing is we've done in the past is to show some renderings of some of these substations on what the view is like what it looks like from a ground level I think that would be very helpful and I don't know if we did that at the open house but it's it could be I'm curious about on the yellow side the slope of the hill how that's affected really what you can see from Hartley Field and from other areas it doesn't sound like it's a huge mountain but you know I think probably just and it may it may look worse than what everybody imagines it may but I'm thinking it's gonna look better than what we're imagining I'm kind of maybe that's why we're not getting a recommendation from from this board is because of that yes sir to answer your question we didn't have a photo simulation for this one we can certainly order one those tend to take about four weeks to get and so it would take some amount of time before we would have that in hand but we can certainly do that okay yes Marla okay the same number of lines going in and out or what we see right now is that correct Phil saying yes transmission lines yes so in this one there'll be eight feeders coming out probably so those are distribution lines distribution lines will come out underground go out to the main street like Sherman Drive and come up overhead there that won't increase I'll have to say I've lived in the area of the old Kings Row substation for 40 plus years and I've tried to sell property where they ran across the back lines and some people would object but it basically didn't make a difference the houses sold and I remember the research on that people got sick from this and I'm totally unaware of anything I know that research was done but I don't know that there was a positive thing about it causing people any help health issues and I when we were looking at the other King that other station nearby I went over there because some of the neighbors said there's a lot of noise I didn't hear a lot of noise I hear more from airplanes going overhead than I heard from from the subst ation so I don't know that that's going to be a problem and I don't know that that research of health issues was ever substantiated to respond to that World Health Organization did a study it was very conclusive study about a decade ago of concerned about that and certainly if anyone be concerned about be people that work around electric lines day in day out we were concerned for our employees health as far as far as well as the health of neighbors next door they did not find any correlation between that although it been suggested our prior studies theirs were pretty conclusive as far as once you got the distance of the East man away from electric lines the effects were noticeable on the health of people next door going back to the King Joe substation that you mentioned the original King Joe substation when it was built was built out the middle of the country and as you saw houses built right next door I mean back up to us enough so that we've learned our lesson that we want more buffer on most of substations in the future and that's what we try to do and that's what we're trying to do in this situation is get out ahead of the growth and get a substation out in this site before growth happens okay yes Charlie feel before you sit down you mentioned the distribution lines going out to Sherman Drive would you give us the indication of where and I assume that be a right away involved in that yes I'm looking at my engineers here as far as I don't know who got as far enough design yet to determine where the distribution features will come out I doubt we have and so they would come out they would come out from the substation probably half would come out to Sherman Drive another half would come out Hartley Field Road and they would come out underground initially and then go with the overhead lines down the road probably a span or two away from the substation no not planned I say no plan right now there's not I say not let me correct that there's no plan right now there's nothing we served in that direction if in the future there was a development happened that we served then yes there would be lines going down if that was lines would happen no matter where we served from from this substation or one down the road existing area yes Terrell if you won't recognize anybody from the other one sorry yes yes I mean every every substation has different topography located to it that one that one was very challenging because it was kind of built into the side of the hill and this one in the yellow side would have some of those same issues as far as the hill being there so that was just a question I just raised to my engineering staff was for us to if a decision was made here probably before the City Council public hearing for us to investigate the possibility of an access easement for construction traffic take the construction traffic off or you fit Harley Field Road not committing that just saying we'll look into it and see if that's a possibility in that way to take the construction traffic off of there okay any other questions of the board members of Phil or still ask if there's any recommendation for a site from anybody or some something we can pass along to the council with our comments or recommendations if you want to eliminate some sites or make some suggestions that might be helpful but Mr. Chairman yes Charlie I'd like to make a recommendation okay I recommend that we send forth the option of the yellow site with the provision that it be sited on the northernmost edge of the property and that DME does investigate the option of having a right away for construction purposes okay back to the West back to 428 okay okay that's stated in a motion I guess okay is there a second to that motion I'll second second by Susan any discussion on that I think although everybody except one gentleman was here to speak in opposition to the yellow site it it unfortunately seems to make the most sense and I know that it's unsightly I live two blocks from the West Oak Hickory Street substation the big giant one that's right there on the west side of our town that's actually being built there's already one there and I think that's a hit that we sometimes take to to provide the electrical infrastructure that we're looking for I would encourage you to to hold to hold the city to any any options that you have like for the construction easement for any kinds of aesthetic improvements that can be made the the substation that I was just speaking of the Hickory Street substation yeah a committee was created to come up with aesthetic wall coverings and some other things so if this does end up being in your neighborhood I think that you should push for those types of things to make it more visually attractive to you that seemed to be the bulk of the complaint was that it was visually unattractive and they are indeed visually unattractive okay other comments no we have a motion a second on the floor all in favor say aye any opposed same sign okay thank you motion passes to recommend the yellow site then to the City Council thank you I want to thank everybody all the public who came here for their comments your input was really appreciated and as Brendan said I think that aesthet ically there are some things that can be done and and we will make sure that those are part of the part of the process so okay moving on we have items for individual consideration item number a which is consider approval of the public utilities board meeting minutes of March 27th 2017 a draft copy of those minutes have been distributed in advance are there any comments questions changes suggestions hearing nine and those will be approved as submitted item number B is P item number PUB 17 - 0 8 7 is to consider recommending approval of IFB 6 3 7 5 to Dickerson construction company in the amount of 1 million thirty eight thousand one hundred eighty seven dollars for the construction of the pecan Creek Interceptor for project and I believe we have Jim Wilder with staff who's going to make this presentation my name is Jim Wilder I'm with the engineering services department or I'm not sure exactly what we're called now I was not really aware that this was going to be an item for individual consideration so I just printed out a kind of an aerial of the route of the sanitary sewer this is the fourth component or installment of the concrete Interceptor project it's the very last one that we have about 2,000 feet is being done because we simply don't have enough capacity in the existing lines the the original concrete Interceptor was built in the early 1960s it is built probably for a size of a town about half the size of done is now and so it's been out of capacity for probably good 10 to 15 years and we're going to finally be able to close that gap will be then in compliance with the Clean Water Act which is an important thing for us as a wastewater utility to do and so this is the reason for the project we got five bids we just bid it here last month they were generally within the range that we thought we would get the low bidder is Dickerson Construction Company which is a local construction company that we work with many times before they should be able to do the job well we've got a good working relationship with them and the project came in just slightly under budget in terms of the the construction costs that's pretty much all I have if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them questions an interceptor is typically a sanitary sewer line that's generally about 15 inches or larger the reason we call it interceptor versus just a standard collector line is because it's gathering flow from a much larger area and it's dealing with much larger flow rates than then like say the the line that's in your neighborhood that collects the flow from your house this isn't those concrete creeks that run through the town no no no this would be a in this particular circumstance would be a 30 inch line it'll be buried about probably 12 to 15 feet deep you can see from the route part of it runs right next to Denton High that's why we've scheduled the project to begin immediately and as soon as school starts so that portion of the project is supposed to be built during June and July while the kids are out of school and then it runs up behind some homes into a property that Denton ISD owns we already have an easement there and so we're putting it in the easement yes they're joining existing lines that have already been put in yeah to the north was just put in with the US 380 relocation project its new line and to the east is where the concrete three project just finished last summer okay questions no there's no recommendation to award the bid or approve the I have be to Dickerson construction company move approval the motion by Barbara is there second second second by Lillio any discussion all in favor say aye any opposed same sign okay motion passes next we have the ACM update the new business metrics any comments on that John I just would point out that we've have one item outstanding we're still working on a report on comparing the city number of city employees we have in our water and wastewater departments and we hope to have that very soon the other two items we completed at our last meeting okay any member who would like to see you have put something on the new business matrix Barbara when you had asked for this you didn't want it to just be water and wastewater correct no what what my idea was was just to see how we how we relate with other cities similar sizes on their own utilities do we have less employees do we have more employees I just wanted that comparison we're working on that we'll have that for you okay okay at this time we we do have a closed meeting item to discuss so at this time we will go into our closed meeting