1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:24,000 [PAUSE] 2 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,969 Okay, I'd like to call to order the March 27th, 2017 Public 3 00:00:28,969 --> 00:00:31,000 Utility Board meeting. 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,060 We have a quorum present and we would, our first item is to 5 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:42,000 go into work session on an item to hold a discussion 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,750 concerning TMPA transmission line on the premise of medical 7 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:49,000 city health care. 8 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,500 So, we have Elizabeth Ruiz who's going to make the staff 9 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:55,000 presentation. 10 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Okay. 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Good morning. 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Good morning. 13 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,560 So, this morning I will be seeking direction from PUB 14 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,060 regarding a project that involves TMPA and Medical City 15 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:26,760 Health Care, formerly known as Denton Regional Medical 16 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,000 Center. 17 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,000 We'll start out with the location of the transmission line. 18 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,659 The reason that we're here, which is a vertical clearance 19 00:01:35,659 --> 00:01:39,519 violation that exists at the moment, responsibilities of 20 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:41,000 each party's involved. 21 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:47,000 And then staff options. 22 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,659 This is Medical City's property on the corner of Mayhill 23 00:01:52,659 --> 00:01:56,000 Road and Colorado Boulevard. 24 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Mayhill is right there to your right. 25 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Colorado Boulevard would be on the north side of that. 26 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:12,520 The transmission line are what is, or the lines, it's what 27 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,000 's colored right here across the property. 28 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,840 What's in that square or that rectangular box is where the 29 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,009 vertical violation is, vertical clearance violation is for 30 00:02:24,009 --> 00:02:25,000 the transmission line. 31 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,240 And I have a survey that will follow that up, but I just 32 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,840 wanted to show you guys where exactly we're talking about 33 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,000 on Medical City's property. 34 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:45,889 So, in 1994, the design for the transmission line was done 35 00:02:45,889 --> 00:02:51,000 by National Electric Safety Code standards. 36 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,080 The vertical clearance at that point was 25 feet from the 37 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,000 ground to the first line. 38 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,650 While DME and its contractors were working on the Pokrus 39 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:07,000 Spencer CIP project, they resurveyed the area. 40 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,969 They realized that there was a part under the transmission 41 00:03:10,969 --> 00:03:14,830 line that was in violation, which was what was in the 42 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:18,000 rectangular box in the previous photo. 43 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,439 It's supposed to be 25 feet clearance, and right now the 44 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:26,919 ground is elevated by five feet, so right now there's only 45 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 20 foot clearance. 46 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Grading is going to be required under that area. 47 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,979 We're looking at removing five feet, which is about 4,400 48 00:03:37,979 --> 00:03:41,000 cubic feet, cubic yards, sorry. 49 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,889 And just to put that in perspective, it could fill 50 00:03:44,889 --> 00:03:49,909 potentially 200 dump trucks with the dirt that needs to be 51 00:03:49,909 --> 00:03:51,000 removed. 52 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,000 This is a survey that was performed. 53 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,849 This is the entrance to the hospital, so this would be the 54 00:04:01,849 --> 00:04:03,000 Mayhill area. 55 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,520 The red vertical line, the first one is the first pole that 56 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,000 is on the Mayhill side, 57 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,210 and then the second vertical line is the pole that's on the 58 00:04:15,210 --> 00:04:18,000 Colorado Boulevard side of it on that corner. 59 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:24,800 This solid line that follows the ground elevation was the 60 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,000 original elevation in '94. 61 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,259 The dotted line, I'm not sure if you guys can see it very 62 00:04:32,259 --> 00:04:35,000 well, but there is a dotted line right here. 63 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:41,750 That is the additional five feet that was found, bringing 64 00:04:41,750 --> 00:04:46,000 that into a clearance violation. 65 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,069 We took our DME model out to the area and wanted to take 66 00:04:50,069 --> 00:04:54,000 some pictures just for some more perspective. 67 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,199 This is right under the line where that five foot is, so 68 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:05,000 you can see where the truck ends and where the line begins. 69 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,160 And then these are the two areas where if you were standing 70 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,800 at the pole that's off of Colorado Boulevard facing 71 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,000 southeast, 72 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:21,879 you can see how the elevation increases and likewise from 73 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:29,000 the pole on Mayhill looking northwest how it decreases. 74 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,000 So responsibilities on this project. 75 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 TMPA owns the rights of the easement or to the easement. 76 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,180 DME is responsible for all the operations on TMPA lines 77 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:44,000 within the area. 78 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,259 And Medical City, because they own the property, is 79 00:05:47,259 --> 00:05:51,329 responsible for the costs associated to bring this line and 80 00:05:51,329 --> 00:05:55,000 the clearance back into compliance. 81 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,379 We've had some discussions and this is where we really need 82 00:06:01,379 --> 00:06:03,000 direction. 83 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 There's really two parts to this project. 84 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,509 One would be the execution of the work and the other is the 85 00:06:10,509 --> 00:06:13,000 reimbursement of it. 86 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,899 We feel because DME has the experience and is able to do 87 00:06:18,899 --> 00:06:22,000 the outages, all the work period, 88 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,250 that we would be able to perform that while our contractors 89 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:30,000 would and then Medical City could reimburse us. 90 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,199 So on the execution side of it, what we're thinking or one 91 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:39,000 of the options are to use an existing contractor 92 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,199 that is already working on the substation transmission 93 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:46,000 parts of the CIP. 94 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,000 We could use a contractor that already has an existing and 95 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,910 open contract within the city of Denton that would be able 96 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:59,000 to do the excavation of it. 97 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,300 I'd also like to keep in mind that there is a high pressure 98 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:06,069 gas line, sorry I forgot to mention that before, that runs, 99 00:07:06,069 --> 00:07:08,000 that's pretty important, sorry about that. 100 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,000 That runs in the easement also. 101 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000 So we'll need a contractor that has that experience also. 102 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,139 Another option is to issue an RFP with a new contractor, go 103 00:07:20,139 --> 00:07:26,350 through purchasing protocols and have it specific for this 104 00:07:26,350 --> 00:07:28,000 grading. 105 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 And the last thing would be to delay work until fall. 106 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,959 Our timeline is pretty short right now for reliability 107 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:39,000 issues. 108 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,939 We wouldn't be able to do any of the work after mid or late 109 00:07:42,939 --> 00:07:47,000 April because of the summer loads. 110 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,629 And we would still need one of these options, but it would 111 00:07:52,629 --> 00:07:57,000 have to be after or at fall or afterwards. 112 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,329 The reimbursement part of it, we were thinking about 113 00:08:01,329 --> 00:08:05,000 executing a letter of agreement with Medical City, 114 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:12,000 whether to do a payment plan or a lump sum payment. 115 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,579 If for any reason Medical City is unable to pay the lump 116 00:08:17,579 --> 00:08:18,000 sum, 117 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 maybe do a letter of agreement with TMPA to where they 118 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 would reimburse DME. 119 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,230 Or perhaps maybe seeking a prepayment before the work is 120 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:34,000 done, which would also delay it into the fall. 121 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,929 We have had discussions with Medical City, they are willing 122 00:08:37,929 --> 00:08:39,000 to pay for it. 123 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Their preference is a payment plan. 124 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,039 But again, we are seeking direction to see what you guys 125 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:51,000 think would be the best way to go about it. 126 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Any questions? 127 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,539 What's the estimate of how much it's going to cost to do 128 00:08:58,539 --> 00:08:59,000 that? 129 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,000 It will be about $88,000, a little bit more than $88,000. 130 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 And Medical City, they want a payment plan? 131 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,000 I mean, is that a five-year deal, a ten-year deal? 132 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,730 We were discussing a five-year deal, maybe adding that 133 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:22,000 amount to their electric account. 134 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,659 I forgot the amount right now, but I think it was somewhere 135 00:09:25,659 --> 00:09:29,000 around $1,300 monthly for five years. 136 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,649 That was their preference because they had not budgeted the 137 00:09:32,649 --> 00:09:38,000 $88,000 in this year's budget process. 138 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,000 So they're not completely opposed to paying lump sum. 139 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 They would just need more time in order to do that. 140 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,000 >> Would there be a penalty? 141 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 >> A penalty for them to pay out interest or some sort of? 142 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 >> Carry costs. 143 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 >> Carry costs. 144 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 >> No, no, this is a straightforward cost for them. 145 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Whatever it costs, the ME will cost them. 146 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 It's what will charge them. 147 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,169 >> Is there any specific deadline that we have to have this 148 00:10:11,169 --> 00:10:12,000 done by? 149 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,000 >> We wanted to do it by, have the work done by mid-April 150 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,399 because we wanted to avoid any outages during the 151 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:20,000 summertime. 152 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,820 But there's nothing really that stops us from delaying the 153 00:10:25,820 --> 00:10:27,000 project. 154 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Of course, this is a safety issue. 155 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 >> Right. 156 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 >> If for whatever reason there was work to be done and 157 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,009 whoever it is that's doing it didn't let Medical City know 158 00:10:39,009 --> 00:10:44,049 or DME know and somebody hits that line, then it will cause 159 00:10:44,049 --> 00:10:45,000 some issues. 160 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 >> Okay. 161 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,000 >> So how long do you think it will take to do the work? 162 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 >> To do the work? 163 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Two weeks? 164 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Two weeks. 165 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 >> And how long would it take to do an RFP and get somebody 166 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 engaged? 167 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Does that push you into fall? 168 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 >> Absolutely. 169 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,409 If we have to do an RFP, there's no way we can hit an April 170 00:11:09,409 --> 00:11:11,000 timeline. 171 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,230 >> But if we use existing, we could get it done by the end 172 00:11:14,230 --> 00:11:15,000 of April? 173 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,820 >> Right. If we were to use the contractors that we have 174 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:23,679 that are already working on CIP, we could go ahead and have 175 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,000 that completed. 176 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,000 It was through the CIP that we found this issue. 177 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,460 And it is for a project involving the POCRAS substation to 178 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:36,000 the Spencer. 179 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:43,000 So it could potentially fall under that project altogether. 180 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,539 >> Do we know if they have the experience to work with the 181 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:47,000 extra? 182 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 >> The high pressure? 183 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 >> The contractors that we have? 184 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Yes, we did an RFP, I think it was last year. 185 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,580 And they all qualified, they've been doing our substation 186 00:11:56,580 --> 00:12:00,000 transmission work for the past couple years or last year. 187 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 >> More than that. 188 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 >> More than that. 189 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Well, on this RFP. 190 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 >> On this RFP. 191 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 >> On this RFP, it's one year. 192 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:11,000 But before that, we have contracted with them prior. 193 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,269 >> I guess that the staff would have an idea if the 194 00:12:16,269 --> 00:12:21,000 estimate that you've given would be a reasonable estimate. 195 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 >> To charge them? 196 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Yes. 197 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,289 As a matter of fact, Medical City decided to do their own 198 00:12:28,289 --> 00:12:32,000 RFP process to see if it would be more cost effective for 199 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 them to do it on their own and just coordinate with DME. 200 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Their price was much higher. 201 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 They came back to us. 202 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Part of that is the coordination. 203 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,100 They would have to pay extra money for the coordination, 204 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:49,000 but also they would have to pay to remove the dirt. 205 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,659 And with the CIP project that DME has going on, we have 206 00:12:52,659 --> 00:12:57,000 plenty of areas where we could use that dirt. 207 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 And so that's a discount to all of us. 208 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,220 Since we know the vendors that have qualified for similar 209 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:09,230 type things to the CIP, it would seem reasonable to use 210 00:13:09,230 --> 00:13:10,000 them. 211 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:16,690 And that way it could be accomplished in a more expeditious 212 00:13:16,690 --> 00:13:18,000 manner. 213 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 >> I agree. 214 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 >> Any other questions? 215 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 >> Just some additional background. 216 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,220 The vendor that we're talking about, the vendor we use in 217 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:30,000 all other CIP projects for all the dirt work. 218 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,539 We have a multi-million dollar contract with them to do all 219 00:13:33,539 --> 00:13:36,000 the dirt work on all our substations. 220 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,379 And so that's why they can be much more economical than any 221 00:13:39,379 --> 00:13:41,000 one-off vendor could. 222 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,919 And they've identified or identified that needed dirt for 223 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,000 another substation. 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,309 So we just moved the dirt from this point to that and be 225 00:13:50,309 --> 00:13:52,409 part of that substation project, part of our capital 226 00:13:52,409 --> 00:13:53,000 improvement program. 227 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,240 Just one other thing to point out is there are a couple of 228 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,000 consent agenda items. 229 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:05,000 And if you decide to go forward with using this contractor, 230 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000 agreeing with Medical City to let them pay it out, 231 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,230 and then agreeing to agree with the TMPA that in the event 232 00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:17,179 that Medical City didn't pay for this, that that's a TMPA 233 00:14:17,179 --> 00:14:18,000 expense. 234 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,090 And so those items are also, just want to point out those 235 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:24,000 items where you can see if we agree to go that way. 236 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Phil, if we, I mean, how quickly can we get that from TMPA? 237 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Is that, they already approved it? 238 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Yeah, I think so. 239 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,000 I think I read that somewhere. 240 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Excuse me, I spoke with Carl Shehady, the TMPA lawyer. It's 241 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,000 done. 242 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,570 We already went through the agreements with him and we've 243 00:14:43,570 --> 00:14:45,000 already got it documented. 244 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 So we didn't have to do an agreement. 245 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Okay. 246 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 All right. 247 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Very good. Any other questions? We do have a couple of 248 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,000 consent agenda items that follow this. 249 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Do you need a motion? 250 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:10,000 No, we'll take action in the meeting here. 251 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Okay. 252 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Thank you. 253 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Thank you. 254 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Okay, we do have consent agenda. 255 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Items number A, B, C, and D. 256 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,279 Is there any member who would like to pull those for 257 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,000 individual consideration? 258 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 A, please. 259 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Item number A. 260 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000 It's pulled. 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Any others? 262 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,230 Okay, then is there a motion to approve consent agenda 263 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:56,000 items B, C, and D as presented? 264 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000 So moved. 265 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Motion from Lillia? 266 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 I second. 267 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Second. 268 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Charlie? Any discussion? 269 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 All in favor say aye. 270 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Aye. 271 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Any opposed? Same sign. 272 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Okay. 273 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Okay, item number A. 274 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Barbara, you had a question? 275 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:19,480 My question for Larry is Dodd-Frank, that's mentioned in 276 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:30,220 the backup, how do they enter into this disagreement? I don 277 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,000 't understand. 278 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,080 Dodd-Frank, there are minimal compliance issues with that 279 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,000 and we wanted David Portz to vet that out, particularly as 280 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,840 we get into the ISTA contracts, and that's part of what he 281 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,000 's working on. 282 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,840 My familiar Dodd-Frank is that it deals with banking 283 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,000 primarily, so I didn't. 284 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,929 With some of the derivative contracts that DMA will be 285 00:16:56,929 --> 00:17:00,259 executing, particularly regarding gas, there may be some 286 00:17:00,259 --> 00:17:02,730 issues that come up on that. I've spoken with him about 287 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:03,000 that. 288 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,869 It's going to be minimal, but it's going to be a 289 00:17:05,869 --> 00:17:09,000 documentation issue on our side, primarily. 290 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Thank you. 291 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Okay. 292 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,559 Okay. Motion to approve item number A. Is there a second 293 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:18,000 for that? 294 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Second. 295 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Second from Susan. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. 296 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Aye. 297 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Any opposed? Same sign. Motion passes. 298 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,140 Other items for individual consideration, we have the 299 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:40,599 minutes of the Public Utility Board meeting of March 13, 300 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:42,000 2017. 301 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,900 These have been distributed in advance. Are there any 302 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:52,440 questions, additions, corrections to those minutes as they 303 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,000 were sent out? 304 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Seeing none, then those will stand approved as submitted. 305 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,849 Item number B. We have a consider recommending approval 306 00:18:03,849 --> 00:18:08,700 authorizing city managers to execute a First Amendment to 307 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:14,460 the Professional Services Agreement with T. Ignal and Per 308 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:18,000 kins. 309 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 We have William A. Bunselmeyer to make this presentation. 310 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Good morning. 311 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,890 This morning we're going to talk about the Professional 312 00:18:32,890 --> 00:18:36,000 Services Agreement for Engineering and Surveying Services. 313 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,000 This will be the First Amendment to that contract. 314 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,250 We'll give a little background, some current status, staff 315 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:51,000 recommendation, and our next steps going forward. At the 316 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:51,000 end of this we will be asking for a recommendation. 317 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,250 A little background is the Engineering Services and Surve 318 00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:59,680 ying contract is inextricably linked to our Capital Improve 319 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,000 ment Program. 320 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,869 As you've seen in your backup, there are a lot of things 321 00:19:03,869 --> 00:19:06,869 that these people will do for us, but this contract, the 322 00:19:06,869 --> 00:19:09,920 important parts are, as they work as our go between for the 323 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,000 city's platting process, which is a big part of this. 324 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,069 We pre-plat. We have permitting, special use permitting, 325 00:19:19,069 --> 00:19:23,730 text dot, building plans, building permits, special use 326 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:27,000 permits, the environmentally sensitive areas. 327 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,920 People will take care of the land, the construction staking 328 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,000 and support. 329 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,369 The big part at the end is, it's a catch all, serve as DME 330 00:19:35,369 --> 00:19:39,210 's professional representatives in all capacities needed for 331 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:43,000 support development, design, construction support. 332 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,470 This is a very big part of what our Capital Improvement 333 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:50,000 Program is. 334 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,490 A little more background, on August 6th of 2013, the T.G. 335 00:19:54,490 --> 00:19:58,069 Nolan Perkins contract for Engineering Services and Surve 336 00:19:58,069 --> 00:20:02,000 ying Services was approved for $4,160,000. 337 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,470 To date, major CIP projects completed is 15. There's 22 338 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:12,440 that are partially completed and there are nine to be 339 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,000 started yet. 340 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,079 It's important to note that this professional services 341 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:21,000 agreement is not linked to the Denton Energy Center and 342 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,000 another important note is $272 million is our 2017 343 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:30,000 transmission substation CIP budget. 344 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,450 Now you see on the left, this is the list of the capital 345 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:37,309 improvement projects that we've been working through that 346 00:20:37,309 --> 00:20:39,000 are completed so far. 347 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,069 Like we said a while ago, there are 15 of those that are 348 00:20:43,069 --> 00:20:46,000 complete. There are 22 that are partially complete. 349 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,200 That's this row all in the middle. You can see they're all 350 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,000 between 10%, 80%, 90% complete. 351 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,000 That's where we are so far with that $4 million contract. 352 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,420 To be started yet, we still have nine more projects on the 353 00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:01,000 right hand side. 354 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:08,299 Now, to switch engineering firms, our concern, well I'm 355 00:21:08,299 --> 00:21:14,029 just going crazy here, is we want to continue with our 356 00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:16,000 engineering services contract that we have now. 357 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,640 That's why we've asked for an amendment as opposed to 358 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,000 starting over with a new engineering firm. 359 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,630 We feel that there is benefits to not switching firms and 360 00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:30,160 this list in the middle, some of that will be redone by a 361 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,000 new firm that might come in to take this place. 362 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,730 And so there's benefits to staying with the same 363 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:38,000 engineering firm. 364 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,200 So our recommendation is for the approval of a $4.36 365 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,309 million contract amendment totaling $8.52 million with T. 366 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,000 Ignal and Perkins. 367 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,000 And that would get us, finish us out over the CIP hump. 368 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,650 So we can see we're over halfway done almost. Once we get 369 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:02,220 through a little bit more of this column in the middle, it 370 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:06,000 looks like it's downhill from there. 371 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,089 Our next step would be to go to City Council on April 4th 372 00:22:10,089 --> 00:22:13,000 for an approval of this amendment. 373 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 And you have any questions? 374 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Questions? 375 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I've got a question. 376 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,000 When we did the agreement back, how long ago was that? We 377 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,000 did the 4.3. 378 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 13. 379 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,670 Did we, I mean, did we only do 4.3 because we thought that 380 00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:39,000 's what it'd be or just because that carried us out? 381 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000 I think it's a work in progress. It gets us started. 382 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 The capital improvement programs continue to grow. 383 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,970 We've identified more locations, more sites like the Eagle 384 00:22:47,970 --> 00:22:51,000 substation, splitting that transmission line in half. 385 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Yeah. 386 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:59,000 It's all part of the process, I believe. 387 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,109 Yeah, I agree that, I mean, there's change in engineering 388 00:23:03,109 --> 00:23:06,000 firms is not what you do at midstream. 389 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,339 That's not good. I would just want to make sure this is 390 00:23:10,339 --> 00:23:12,000 going to finish it up. 391 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,410 We're hoping so. We've gone out and we've worked 392 00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:18,599 extensively with this company, a great group, on where we 393 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,000 think we'll be over the next few years. 394 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,000 I think this is a really good number. 395 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Don't find any more new projects, right? 396 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,000 You just keep approving. You approve them. 397 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Okay. All right. Any other questions? 398 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,519 This is an action item, so we'll need a motion on this item 399 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:43,000 . 400 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Move. 401 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,000 I have a motion to approve from Allen. Second from Barbara. 402 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Any discussion? All in favor say aye. 403 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Aye. 404 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Any opposed, same sign. Okay. Thank you. 405 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Thank you. 406 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Okay. Brings us to our ACM update. 407 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,119 Yeah. Chair, members of the board, we have several items 408 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000 for you in your update this week. 409 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,259 The first item is a recap and an update as to what staff is 410 00:24:12,259 --> 00:24:15,509 doing to address the dumpsters and the location of dump 411 00:24:15,509 --> 00:24:17,000 sters on the square. 412 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,299 We, for some time now, have been trying to co-locate as 413 00:24:20,299 --> 00:24:22,000 many as we possibly can. 414 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,819 We provided you a report that gave you kind of a summary of 415 00:24:24,819 --> 00:24:27,589 where we are today and a little bit of background on this 416 00:24:27,589 --> 00:24:28,000 issue. 417 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000 And so we wanted to provide that to you. 418 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,809 The second item that we've provided is a memo that gives 419 00:24:34,809 --> 00:24:39,000 you an update on the landfill gas production situation. 420 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,539 As you know, we're doing a little more flaring than what we 421 00:24:41,539 --> 00:24:43,000 would like to do at the landfill. 422 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,119 And we're currently in process of trying to work through 423 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,690 some contract issues with a current electric generator, DTE 424 00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:55,000 , at the landfill to see if we can make some improvements to 425 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,000 their collection of the gas that's coming off the landfill. 426 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000 And the final item, of course, is the business matrix. 427 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,460 And we have, I think, after today we'll have one 428 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,519 outstanding item related to some staffing comparisons that 429 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,000 we'll try to have to you in the very near future. 430 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,549 If there's any questions about that, we'd be happy to 431 00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:19,000 discuss it. If not, that's the report. 432 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Any discussions? Barbara? 433 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,000 I wish we talked a lot about the dumpsters downtown and 434 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000 about encasing them. 435 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,420 And there's so little room where they are now to encase 436 00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:34,000 them. It just takes more room. 437 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,839 Has anybody, I mean, we're an art city, has anybody thought 438 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:43,490 about any type of decorating or painting or using, we paint 439 00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:47,000 curves throughout the city that look quite attractive? 440 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,150 And I understand there'd have to be some standards, but 441 00:25:50,150 --> 00:25:53,369 perhaps we could just, if you can't hide them, decorate 442 00:25:53,369 --> 00:25:54,000 them. 443 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Well, I can't put some lipstick on the pig, so to speak. 444 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Put some lipstick on the pig. 445 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,460 I don't know if we've had any, I'm not aware of any 446 00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:04,470 discussions we've talked about actually allowing the dump 447 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:07,000 sters to be used for art purposes, as you say. 448 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,069 But I can tell you that when we have consolidated dumpsters 449 00:26:10,069 --> 00:26:13,430 most recently, William Strait Square, for instance, we did 450 00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:15,000 build a revetment. 451 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,109 The site that we've located, which used to be in the former 452 00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:21,089 central fire station location, we hope to have another 453 00:26:21,089 --> 00:26:24,000 consolidated site there that will include a revetment. 454 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,539 So our plan has been to, when we consolidate these dumpster 455 00:26:27,539 --> 00:26:30,000 locations, is to build a revetment. 456 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,329 So while there may be some challenges we have and some quad 457 00:26:34,329 --> 00:26:37,299 rants of the square, there might be something we could look 458 00:26:37,299 --> 00:26:38,000 at in the future. 459 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,140 But right now our plan has been to try to provide a full 460 00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:44,000 revetment and just cover them completely. 461 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,339 I guess my concern there is if you have kind of simple 462 00:26:49,339 --> 00:26:53,000 located ones, no one's responsible for them. 463 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:58,000 It's not mine, it's theirs, and you run into that type. 464 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,089 As well as for some businesses, they're going to be hauling 465 00:27:02,089 --> 00:27:06,000 their trash and that's going to be amazing. 466 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,400 I mean, in reading the backup about at night when they're 467 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,000 trying to do that, it may not be the safest. 468 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,450 Well, it's certainly something we want to monitor as we go 469 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:17,000 forward. 470 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,349 I would say that there was some initial reaction to the 471 00:27:20,349 --> 00:27:23,609 consolidation at Williams Trade Square, but now that folks 472 00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:24,000 are using it, 473 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,000 I'm not aware of any issues or concerns that have arisen. 474 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,450 And there may be out there, but we're certainly not aware 475 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:31,000 of them. 476 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 But it seems to be working well. 477 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,170 Well, I can tell you where there's a dumpster, even though 478 00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:40,000 you may pay for it, everyone feels like it's theirs to use. 479 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000 That's a problem across the city. 480 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Yes, it is. 481 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Okay. Well, and I think you're exactly right. 482 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,990 I mean, you monitor the situation and all the vendors and 483 00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:59,000 just kind of watch it. 484 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000 And I don't know that you talked about decorating them. 485 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:09,589 Maybe this is something the public art committee could look 486 00:28:09,589 --> 00:28:13,000 at as part of their deal. 487 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,240 Okay. Any other questions on any of the other ACM items or 488 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000 any updates to the matrix, 489 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,869 anything to add to the matrix of items that you'd like to 490 00:28:24,869 --> 00:28:29,000 see discussed or reported on in the future? 491 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:38,130 Okay. If not, is there any other item that needs to be -- 492 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:41,000 any member would like to see on future agendas? 493 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000 No. Hearing none. 494 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Okay. Is there a motion to adjourn? 495 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 496 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. 497 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000 You did. You pointed that to me. 498 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:05,569 There's a little clarification on item number B on the 499 00:29:05,569 --> 00:29:13,000 consent agenda for repayment with Medical City Health Care. 500 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:20,000 And that is that -- was it the TNPA part? 501 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Yes, it's the payment plan with Medical City. 502 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,779 There was a few options provided to the members of the PUB, 503 00:29:27,779 --> 00:29:29,000 the staff report, 504 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,650 and just one confirmation that the five-year plan be made 505 00:29:32,650 --> 00:29:35,000 part of the motion, that that is acceptable. 506 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,339 And then I think the other question is with or without 507 00:29:37,339 --> 00:29:38,000 interest. 508 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,480 So we're being advised by our legal counsel that the motion 509 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000 needs to be a little bit more specific. 510 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Okay. And that was approved under consent. 511 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:59,400 So let's -- reconsideration of item number B, which is on 512 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,000 consent. 513 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000 Would anybody like to talk about that or you want to -- 514 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Can we talk about it first? 515 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Sure. 516 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,650 Would it be appropriate -- I raised the question about is 517 00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:17,000 there any carrying costs or whatever. 518 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:24,400 And if it makes sense not to do that, could it be a best 519 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,220 effort to try to get the payment up front with approval to 520 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:33,500 finance it over a five-year period if it comes to that, or 521 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,000 are we really down to over time? 522 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000 I think the answer to that question is that it's really -- 523 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,890 it's been our practice historically, as far as I understand 524 00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:44,589 , to try to work with our tenants, especially our large 525 00:30:44,589 --> 00:30:45,000 customers. 526 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000 This was a request that they had had. 527 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,220 In terms of the carrying costs or the interest costs, it's 528 00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:55,410 not going to be a whole lot of money on $88,000 over five 529 00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:56,000 years. 530 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,039 However, the question really is should the city be made 531 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,000 whole on that. 532 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,500 So the staff's recommendation is to go along with the five- 533 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,000 year payment plan. 534 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,960 But the question about interest being charged was not 535 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,000 necessarily answered. 536 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000 There was not a specific recommendation from staff. 537 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 We feel it needs to be clarified. 538 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Okay. 539 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Historically, how has that been taken care of? 540 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:31,000 I'll defer to Mr. Williams. 541 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,589 So historically, within our rate structure, we have a 542 00:31:34,589 --> 00:31:38,339 special facilities rider, and we've utilized that in the 543 00:31:38,339 --> 00:31:41,000 past for situations similar to this. 544 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,769 If a customer required special equipment for their services 545 00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:49,700 , then we would work with them and add that on to their bill 546 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:53,000 and let them pay it out over the bill for that. 547 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,569 So it's not unusual we do this for large commercial 548 00:31:55,569 --> 00:31:57,000 industrial customers. 549 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,289 It's unusual for our residential customers if a residential 550 00:32:01,289 --> 00:32:06,849 customer came in and was behind on their bill or suddenly 551 00:32:06,849 --> 00:32:10,660 required additional deposit that we'd work out a payment 552 00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:12,819 plan for those residential customers to pay that out over 553 00:32:12,819 --> 00:32:13,000 time. 554 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,920 And then for commercial industrial, same thing on credit 555 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,000 issues or in this situation, if there's additional service 556 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,519 issues, they need an automatic throwover switch or 557 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,529 something like that, then we would incur that cost but then 558 00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:31,000 pay it out over a short period of time. 559 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Without charging interest? 560 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Yes. 561 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000 For both residential and commercial? 562 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Yes. 563 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Okay. 564 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 I just wanted to make that clear. 565 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Thank you. 566 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,000 I would clarify though just Mr. Bishop's point. 567 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,559 This is an easier staff recommendation with our interest 568 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:50,000 income averaging about 1% today. 569 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,359 So it might be a very different conversation down the road 570 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,000 to pay on interest rates. 571 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000 No, I'm not trying to make it an issue. 572 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000 I just wanted to... 573 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Just clarification. 574 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Clarify. 575 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000 Okay. 576 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Thank you for saying that. 577 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,829 I was going to ask how much do we make off of our 578 00:33:06,829 --> 00:33:08,000 investments? 579 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000 We're all finding 1%. 580 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,000 That's what I was thinking. 581 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,000 I guess I shouldn't answer that. 582 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,069 Yeah, it sounds like we have a precedent of facilities 583 00:33:24,069 --> 00:33:27,000 charge or that we've done before through DME. 584 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,049 I don't know that we want to reset precedents by trying to 585 00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:33,160 figure out what the rate's going to be and how that's going 586 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,000 to be done. 587 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000 So I mean that's my opinion. 588 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 No, I agree. 589 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:45,400 I would recommend that we five years no carrying costs and 590 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,000 stick with precedents. 591 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Relative to that item. 592 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,539 I don't know how we need to redo the whole thing or just 593 00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:55,000 clarify that item. 594 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Clarification. 595 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Clarification. 596 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,369 So the clarification is that item number B was approved 597 00:34:01,369 --> 00:34:04,980 assuming there'd be no carrying costs associated with the 598 00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:06,000 repayment. 599 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000 Okay. 600 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 All right. 601 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Very good. 602 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Oh, we did have a closed session. 603 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And we can't adjourn yet. 604 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 We've got a closed session. 605 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Okay. 606 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000 Okay. 607 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Okay. 608 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000 At this time then we will adjourn the regular meeting. 609 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,000 It's nine thirty five and we have a close close meeting. 610 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Okay. 611 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Okay. 612 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Okay. 613 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Okay. 614 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Okay. 615 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Okay. 616 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Okay. 617 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000 Okay. 618 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Okay. 619 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,000 Okay. 620 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,000 Okay. 621 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:16,000 We'll go back into regular session at ten o'clock. 622 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,219 And the only thing we have on the agenda are our concluding 623 00:40:20,219 --> 00:40:21,000 items. 624 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,750 So is there any any inquiries from the public or from any P 625 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:34,690 .B. member as to any kind of policy or anything we have or 626 00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:44,000 is there any other items be brought before the meeting. 627 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Okay. 628 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000 Well, hearing none. 629 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000 Then is there a motion to adjourn. 630 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000 Motion for Barbara second second and second. 631 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000 All in favor say aye. 632 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Any opposed. 633 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000 Same sign. 634 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000 Thank you. 635 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000 So.