WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.359 - 5th, 2018. 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:04.400 This meeting has been duly posted 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:06.440 and we do have a quorum present. 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.900 We'll call our work session to order at five o'clock. 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:12.839 Our first order of business will be 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:15.880 to receive clarification of agenda items. 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:19.920 So, and moving through, 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:22.000 looks like we do not have any minutes. 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.000 So we will go to our consent agenda. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.039 Does anyone have questions on the consent agenda? 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:30.719 Which item? 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:31.559 - Item C. 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:33.280 - Item C, okay. 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:34.520 I can't hear item A, 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:37.399 so as long as we're not talking about item A, we're good. 00:00:38.259 --> 00:00:42.520 So, that will be Hayley. 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:47.960 And if someone does have a question on A, 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.359 no problem, just let me know and I'll step out. 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:53.500 (man speaking off mic) 00:00:53.500 --> 00:00:56.140 Well, let's hear C and then we'll come back. 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:58.280 - All right. 00:00:58.280 --> 00:00:59.439 - Did you want me to just go over the whole flat 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:00.280 or did you have a specific question? 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:01.560 - I just have a specific question 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.119 and it's really just to clarify. 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:04.920 What, it says on there, 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.280 the Walmart expansion detention pond, there's an agreement. 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.079 Just my question was between whom is the agreement? 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:14.519 - My understanding is there's a historical agreement 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:16.920 between Walmart and the owners of these properties 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.480 to the south that they could drain their water 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.079 into that pond, that it would be appropriately sized 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:22.920 for that. 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:24.799 - Okay, so the agreement's between. 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:26.079 That's what I wanted to clarify. 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:27.640 Okay, thank you. 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:29.040 Commissioner Sanchez. 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.439 - Yeah, I have a question on the ESA. 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.540 On that, that was established, I guess. 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:39.280 When was that established, ESA? 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:41.560 Does anybody have an idea? 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.280 - I'm not sure the date of establishment. 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:45.400 I know it dates back to prior to the development 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.079 of lot one here to the south. 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.000 - Okay. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.500 - So at least several years. 00:01:50.500 --> 00:01:52.799 But you see here, the outline area 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.920 is the entire tree conservation area. 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.810 That's where they'll be retaining their two and a half 00:01:57.810 --> 00:01:58.439 acres 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:01.760 of the five acres of upland habitat that's on the site. 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.780 - And that's going to be a, it's looking at, 00:02:04.780 --> 00:02:05.920 when they talk about ESA, 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:07.939 they're talking about the cross timbers, right? 00:02:07.939 --> 00:02:09.120 - Yes, it's upland habitat. 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:10.719 So they're remnant to the cross timbers. 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:15.240 - Okay, now the quality, how is that defined? 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:16.719 Because when I walked through there, 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.759 I mean, when we talk about upland habitat, 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:23.199 we're talking about your upland species, 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.560 which I mean, your wooden species, 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.759 which is primarily your oaks 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:30.919 that you have in the Black Jacket Post Oak. 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.800 But then when you look at the ground species, 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.379 you really don't have a grassland species there. 00:02:37.379 --> 00:02:41.879 So my question is, how is this quantified, I guess? 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:46.560 Because I would say it's in very bad condition. 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.060 It's not a really good condition of example 00:02:50.060 --> 00:02:53.199 of a cross timbers ecosystem, 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.819 because there's nothing there on the ground. 00:02:58.159 --> 00:02:59.819 - My understanding is it was confirmed 00:02:59.819 --> 00:03:01.520 to meet the minimum requirements 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.039 to be considered upland habitat. 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.240 And then to speak to it, the area they're preserving 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.080 is on this portion of the site, 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:10.439 because that makes it contiguous 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.599 with the other remnants of that area. 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:14.680 So overall, there will be more than just 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:15.939 their two and a half acres left, 00:03:15.939 --> 00:03:16.840 which is the goal of that, 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.439 to maintain as much contiguous tree canopy 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.319 and upland habitat area as we can. 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.360 But as to how, if they rank the quality of that somehow, 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:26.879 I'm not aware of that. 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:31.080 - Okay, I mean, I was just concerned 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.689 that pretty much there's no grassland species on that thing 00:03:34.689 --> 00:03:34.800 . 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.159 It's actually a pretty thicket underneath. 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.520 So I was just curious how it was, 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.759 you know, if there was like a good, medium or poor, 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.719 and then given some kind of rating 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.960 so that people could be able to say, 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:51.360 okay, we're gonna give you this. 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:56.360 If they had a good example of a cross timbers, 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.580 they would get more points or whatever, 00:04:01.580 --> 00:04:04.639 as opposed to one that is a very poor example. 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.960 So I was just curious about something like that. 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.080 - I'm not aware of what ranking system they use. 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:10.439 I know for their field assessment, 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.599 they do have the standard forms that they use for those. 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.079 But I'm not aware of any ranking system 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:17.480 for the quality of habitat. 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:20.819 - Any other question? 00:04:20.819 --> 00:04:22.120 Commissioner Beck. 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:22.959 - Thank you, Chair. 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:24.800 Yeah, on that, I was just asking Scott. 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:26.899 Deborah Vieira, who is his assistant 00:04:26.899 --> 00:04:28.639 for environmental services, 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.639 could probably, if anybody's rated it, she has. 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:33.639 So if you know how to get ahold of her, 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.480 she'd probably be a good one to ask on that. 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.519 And that'd probably, I'd like to know myself 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.160 for what it's worth. 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:41.000 That's all I got. 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.079 - Okay, and the other, I mean, the other question I had 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:44.639 is how do you manage it? 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.680 Being that it's, what I could see is a poor quality 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.160 and we're retaining it. 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.120 How are we gonna manage it for the future 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:57.120 so that we keep a good quality cross timbers there? 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:01.199 Because over time, if you look at what's in there, 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:02.439 there's a lot of cedars 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:05.800 and some other underground species 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:06.959 that are more shade tolerant. 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.079 They're gonna take over that area. 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:10.480 So how do you manage it? 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.579 We just identify it. 00:05:14.579 --> 00:05:17.399 But there's nothing there that tells people, 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:19.720 okay, you're gonna have to do this, this, this, and this 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:20.759 in order to maintain it. 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.759 'Cause these habitats or these ecosystems 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.199 were maintained by fire. 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:30.279 So just to put it out to the side and say, okay, 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:31.240 this is what we're gonna do. 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.319 We're gonna protect it, but don't manage it. 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.279 We're gonna lose it over time anyway. 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:38.120 - Call on Richard. 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:39.839 - If I could just make a suggestion. 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.560 Since Debra handles it, what I'd like to do is, 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.019 if you can, I'm gonna have to make you bring it up again, 00:05:45.019 --> 00:05:47.199 but mention it when we get to the matrix, 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.959 I'll add it to the matrix and I'll forward that to Debra 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.040 so that she can prepare a response specific to it. 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:54.879 - Okay, okay. 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.600 - Well, I'll piggyback on Commissioner Sanchez. 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.000 Just for clarification, that's gonna be privately owned. 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.240 Is that correct? 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.079 - That's correct. 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.860 And just to speak briefly to it, to my knowledge, 00:06:07.860 --> 00:06:10.240 the only requirement in the code is that they maintain it 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.519 in its current state. 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:14.199 I don't know about the management of it, 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.720 but they are required to not encroach on any of that 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:19.959 two and a half acres in any means whatsoever. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.600 - Yeah, well, I knew that it's privately owned, 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.879 but it's almost, you're forcing somebody to maintain 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:28.120 something 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:29.879 that over time you're gonna lose 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.399 because it's not really the quality that, 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:34.839 it's not really that high quality. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:37.120 - Yeah. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.040 - I agree, I've spoken out quite a bit about those. 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.509 So that's the concern I've had about it for quite some time 00:06:45.509 --> 00:06:45.800 . 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.720 So anyway, any other questions on item C? 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.439 Okay, thanks, Haley. 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.000 You have another one on this? 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.560 - Yeah, I'm actually gonna recommend that the chair 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.319 of scene probably step out for this one. 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:07.040 And since because this, we no longer have a vice chair 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:12.040 or a chair, if you guys wanna nominate the chair pro tem 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:14.560 just for this one item. 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.240 - We're gonna do that now or in there? 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:17.879 - Well, in both. 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.079 - Okay, so do I stay and vote on that? 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:20.920 - No, no. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.290 - So neither you or Richard could just fill in this one 00:07:25.290 --> 00:07:25.519 time? 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.319 - Well, just to conduct, continue conducting the meeting. 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.680 We got to do it here and at the regular meeting as well. 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.319 - Okay, I nominate Margie. 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.000 (laughing) 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:37.120 - I just said something. 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:37.959 - Anybody else? 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:39.040 - I say that nomination. 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.639 (laughing) 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:42.480 - All in favor? 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:43.319 - All in favor. 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:44.319 - All right. 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.319 - Okay, so you can continue the discussion on this item. 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:49.519 (singing) 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:51.600 (laughing) 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.879 - Okay, if I may, do I get recognized first? 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:58.800 - Commissioner Beck. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:00.680 - Thank you, temporary vice chair. 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.560 (laughing) 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.319 - On the lot, this is something we dealt with 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.680 either at the last PNZ or the one before that. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.540 Now, so what are we doing a little differently here? 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.079 Because where I'm going with this is 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.319 the one we're dealing with is right up against 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:20.680 the service road, right? 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:21.519 There we're dealing with? 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:22.360 - That's correct. 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:27.360 - Okay, where this is a part of a couple lots, 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:28.560 there's another one, right? 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:30.560 Just do each of it and that's gonna be a part 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:32.759 of this development too, correct? 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.759 - No, so what we have here, we've seen a preliminary 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.799 plot and a site plan for this lot previously. 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:42.000 So this is the medical office building at Rager. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.120 So the development will actually be on the southern half 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.620 of this lot and I believe at a later date 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:48.720 they'll probably do develop something similar 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:49.600 on the northern half. 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.960 - Okay, so this is the same thing we dealt with. 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.159 Didn't we have a means of egress off of scripture there, 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.200 which I don't see on this? 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:58.440 - There will be a driveway there. 00:08:58.440 --> 00:08:59.399 - Okay, okay. 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.039 I saw the other one on the other one, I thought, 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.320 well, that was part of the bigger thing we're dealing with. 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.960 - Yeah, their driveway will tie into this easement 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.059 on the adjoining property and also to the south on 00:09:10.059 --> 00:09:10.720 scripture. 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:11.559 - Thank you. 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:15.960 - Any other questions on A? 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:16.799 Commissioner? 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.240 - Whatever your name is. 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.000 This is Texas Oncology, right? 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.159 - No, Texas Oncology is further to the east. 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.419 Yes, yeah, this is a select medical here, I believe, 00:09:29.419 --> 00:09:32.720 and then on the opposite side of Heritage Trail is-- 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.519 - To the east of it, and this is on the west side 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.679 of the rehab hospital. 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.000 - Yes, yes, Texas Oncology will be east 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:40.840 of the rehab facility. 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:42.519 - I was confused as to where we were talking. 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:43.360 Thank you. 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.039 - Anybody else? 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:47.320 Questions on A? 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.960 Okay, we'll call the chair back in. 00:09:58.440 --> 00:09:59.279 - Yes, sir. 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.440 - Okay, any other questions on the consent agenda 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:09.700 on any items? 00:10:09.700 --> 00:10:12.440 Okay, now we'll move us to our items 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.100 for individual consideration. 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.360 Call on Haley for presentation. 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:21.960 Yep, Commissioner Ellis. 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.019 - Thank you, Chair, can we back up just a second? 00:10:24.019 --> 00:10:27.120 If you're recusing on A, then are we doing 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.740 consent agenda items individually then? 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:31.799 Or are we gonna-- 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.440 - I assume that I was just gonna step out. 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.360 Y'all would do your temporary vote on the consent agenda, 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:40.919 and when the consent agenda's approved, 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:42.120 then I would come back. 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:43.519 - Understood, thank you. 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:44.360 - Thank you. 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.480 - All right, this is an alternative development plan 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:51.799 request 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:53.340 for Iglesia Laramosa. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.120 So the request is for approval of an ADP to deviate 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.879 from the non-residential and mixed use buildings 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.559 in a pedestrian-oriented district standards 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:05.360 within sub-chapter 13 of our code. 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.159 The site is approximately nine and a half acres 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.500 located on the north side of Windsor, 00:11:12.500 --> 00:11:14.200 just to the west of Bonnie Bray. 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.360 Looking at the zoning, you'll see this property 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:21.840 and the other vacant properties to the east of it 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.639 are zoned neighborhood residential two, 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:25.600 so our low-density residential district. 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.879 The request is for the development of a church on this site 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.799 to walk through quickly what they're proposing. 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.679 They have approximately 12,000 square feet of buildings. 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:39.779 It would be three separate buildings, the main church, 00:11:39.779 --> 00:11:41.960 kind of a Bible school or classroom building, 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.179 and then a space for events. 00:11:44.179 --> 00:11:46.720 So the buildings you see here are outlined in orange. 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.139 Other key features of the site, 00:11:49.139 --> 00:11:51.559 they are proposing a pedestrian plaza 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.080 in between the street and the main church building 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.759 that would contain a fountain, flag poles, 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.399 and general walking and pedestrian space. 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:05.399 Overall, their lot coverage would only total 13.5%. 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.039 You see out of the total site, 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.500 they're really only impacting about the southern third of 00:12:09.500 --> 00:12:09.879 it. 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:13.480 They're proposing 75 parking spaces 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.639 that would all be located here to the east of the buildings 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:16.919 . 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.860 Other key features, there is a floodplain, 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:23.279 and both floodplain ESA and stream buffer ESA 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:25.019 here on the north end that will be unaffected 00:12:25.019 --> 00:12:26.059 by the development. 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.039 There is a gas well on an adjoining property, 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.559 with this being a church, it is considered a protected use, 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.759 so it has to maintain that 250-foot reverse setback. 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:36.320 So you can see the radius here, 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:37.860 only the parking and the detention pond 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:39.559 would encroach into that setback. 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.720 So with that site plan in mind, 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.090 there's two standards that they're requesting to deviate 00:12:48.090 --> 00:12:48.700 from. 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:51.720 When you have a pedestrian-oriented district, 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.960 there's a requirement for non-residential buildings 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.559 to have at least 60% of the street frontage 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.480 have buildings within 10 feet of the property line. 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.159 What they're proposing on that site plan, 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.460 the closest building would be 42 feet back from the street. 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:07.960 In lieu of pulling the buildings up to the street, 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:09.559 they are proposing that pedestrian area 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.120 with the fountain and the flag poles that I mentioned. 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.659 The other standard they're requesting to deviate from 00:13:16.659 --> 00:13:21.659 is a requirement that the minimum floor area ratio be 4/10. 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.039 Just to run the math with a lot of approximately 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:26.600 nine and a half acres, that would require 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.519 164,000 square feet of building on this lot 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:30.779 to meet that requirement. 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.080 What they're proposing with the three small buildings 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.000 at 12,000 square feet is an FAR of approximately 3/100, 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:40.200 or .03. 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.080 Just real quickly, 'cause floor area ratio 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.159 isn't something we talk about very often. 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.179 It's simply the ratio that you get when you divide 00:13:50.179 --> 00:13:53.639 the floor area of structures by the floor area of the lot. 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:55.840 So for example here, if we had a 10 acre lot 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:00.639 to meet that requirement of .4 for the FAR, 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:04.080 like I said, you need 160 to 170,000 square feet of 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:05.179 building. 00:14:05.179 --> 00:14:07.039 So it's just that simple division 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:08.480 is how we get that number. 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.000 So to look at some of the more specifics on the site, 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.639 with this smaller footprint of building 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.559 that they're requesting, it's allowing them to maintain 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:19.240 a lot of the environmental features of this site. 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:21.720 So all of the area that I outlined in dark green up here 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.879 is area that would be completely undisturbed 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:25.759 by this development. 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:29.139 So they're maintaining a large number of trees 00:14:29.139 --> 00:14:30.279 that are on the back of the site 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:32.840 that are within the floodplain and the ESA area. 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:38.419 So, and the ESA totals about 2.7 acres of the site. 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.759 They are also installing compatibility buffers 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:42.960 as required by the code. 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.320 So they have a type B buffer here between the church 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.720 and the single family homes adjoining to the west. 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.159 And then, my apologies, I think I got, I'm sorry. 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:55.799 No, the west is the type C buffer. 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:57.639 I've got my directions backwards there. 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:59.679 So type C buffer between them and residential, 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:01.440 and then a type B buffer is required 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.879 between the non-residential use and the gas well. 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:08.399 So that would be here along the eastern 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:09.519 and western property boundaries. 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:11.440 They're also meeting all of the street tree requirements 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.279 in the front as well as the parking lot screening 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.000 requirements. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.460 So overall, they've met and exceeded 00:15:17.460 --> 00:15:20.360 all of the landscaping requirements with this development. 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:23.240 Some of our considerations. 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:25.940 The intent of these pedestrian-oriented district standards 00:15:25.940 --> 00:15:29.039 is to encourage walkable urban-style development 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:30.559 in areas that we would expect 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.720 to have high pedestrian activity. 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.720 The code does define a pedestrian-oriented district 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.360 as every neighborhood residential district 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.320 as well as our central business district. 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.279 So it's actually a large part of the city 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.279 that's considered pedestrian-oriented. 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.399 But when looking at this a little deeper 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.399 with the criteria for approval allowed for an ADP, 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.159 one of those being preservation of existing neighborhoods, 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.200 we found that this wouldn't be expected 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.480 to have any negative impact on the surrounding homes. 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.480 They're providing the required buffer. 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.320 It's a very small-scale development. 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.200 And in fact, by lowering the FAR 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.740 and only developing those 12,000 square feet of buildings 00:16:06.740 --> 00:16:08.919 in lieu of 160,000, 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:10.360 they're making it more neighborhood-scale 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:12.919 and more compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.440 They're not necessarily requesting 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:18.879 to lower design standards with this development. 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:20.320 They're choosing to develop the site 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:21.639 in a way that allows them to preserve 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:22.799 all the environmental features 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:24.019 and maintain a smaller scale 00:16:24.019 --> 00:16:26.799 that's more consistent with the neighborhood. 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.480 This is a property that's remained undeveloped 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.879 for several years, so it would be contributing 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.559 to this neighborhood in terms of the amenities there 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:34.480 for the residents. 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.200 All of the necessary infrastructure is in place 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.159 with Windsor Drive and water and sewer lines 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:41.559 being available along there. 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.440 And then in terms of it resulting 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.480 in a high-quality development, 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.039 we found that the plaza area that they're proposing 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.080 in front of the building does help meet the intent 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:52.659 of being pedestrian-oriented, 00:16:52.659 --> 00:16:54.779 provides direct connectivity between the sidewalks 00:16:54.779 --> 00:16:56.600 on the street and the building. 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.240 And then, as I mentioned, by not meeting the FAR 00:16:59.240 --> 00:16:59.759 requirements, 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.919 they're actually making it more compatible and scale 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.559 with the surrounding neighborhood. 00:17:04.539 --> 00:17:06.960 So staff is recommending approval of the request, 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.440 and I'd be happy to answer any questions. 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:10.599 - Commissioner Bec. 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:11.420 - Thank you, Chair. 00:17:11.420 --> 00:17:12.759 Thanks, Haley, for that presentation. 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:15.180 I just realized something I was looking at. 00:17:15.180 --> 00:17:20.180 The land north of this tract is on planned development. 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:24.579 Now, this development, they're not gonna touch 00:17:24.579 --> 00:17:28.000 that ESA area at all, so it's gonna remain pristine, 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:28.839 so to speak. 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:31.200 And you may not be able to answer this. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:32.900 This may be a debravere question, 00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:34.559 so if you don't feel comfortable doing that, 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:35.500 that's fine, I understand. 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:37.420 Let me see if I can put this correctly. 00:17:37.420 --> 00:17:39.099 When they go in and do their development, 00:17:39.099 --> 00:17:41.960 they'll be able to alter that some, 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.079 provided it meets certain criteria. 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:50.039 In that move, when they do that, 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.279 if that negatively impacts this more pristine area 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:55.359 that's not being impacted, 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:59.400 we got provisions for that 00:18:00.740 --> 00:18:03.680 to ensure that they'll be able to develop on this land, 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:05.119 they have to preserve so many trees 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:06.920 and protect the ESA and all that, 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.559 but they're gonna impact it somewhere. 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.940 The one on this tract of land isn't being impacted at all, 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:14.400 so there could be negative consequences 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:15.880 as a result of future development 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.119 on the planned development area. 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.559 So is that gonna be taken into consideration on the formula 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:22.559 , 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.319 or do you feel uncomfortable trying that? 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.359 - No, I can speak to some generalities there. 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.500 So in terms of the site to the north, 00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:33.519 it'll really depend on what their flood plan designation is 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:33.519 . 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:35.079 If it is within the 100-year flood plan, 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.319 I believe the ESA flood plan regulations would also kick in 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:38.599 . 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.279 So what they would be allowed to do would depend on 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.319 both the FEMA designation for the property 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:44.960 and the ESA designation. 00:18:45.819 --> 00:18:47.680 So it's possible that they would have to go through 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.079 something like an alternative ESA 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.400 or a letter of map revision. 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.319 So I'm not sure if they're proposing anything 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:54.359 in that specific area, 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.480 but they would have to meet those same requirements. 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.059 And then just in terms of general requirements, 00:19:00.059 --> 00:19:01.880 they're not allowed to have a negative drainage impact 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:02.839 on the site to the south. 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.480 So there would be at least that control in place. 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:06.680 - Okay, okay. 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.160 We'll probably deal with that down the road. 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:09.440 Just wanna get some help with that. 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:11.880 I do have a couple other concerns. 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.799 That buffer on the west side there, 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.319 that doesn't include a fence, does it? 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:18.880 Just trees and bushes? 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.480 - Yeah, our landscape buffer requirements 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:21.720 are strictly trees and shrubs. 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:22.599 - Okay. 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.440 And wasn't there a concern, we dealt with this earlier, 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:29.119 this property, and it seemed like we had some residents 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.579 come in and they were concerned about development here, 00:19:31.579 --> 00:19:33.799 how it would flood Windsor. 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:35.200 Wasn't that a legitimate concern 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.039 that we didn't have the drainage there? 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:39.799 Am I thinking of something else? 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.140 Does that ring a bell? 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:44.759 - I'm not aware of a specific concern there. 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.460 I know for this site, based on the data we've seen so far, 00:19:48.460 --> 00:19:50.339 the drainage and detention pond that they're providing 00:19:50.339 --> 00:19:52.359 would be sufficient to address the development here. 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.359 - I did notice that we're gonna grade it back 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:57.839 towards the north there. 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:59.920 - Yeah, I believe that, yeah. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:02.680 - Okay, okay, but that's not an issue 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:04.359 we need to worry about now as far as-- 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:05.200 - Not that I'm aware of. 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:06.920 - Okay, great, thank you. 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.319 - Any other questions for Hailey? 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:14.680 Commissioner Ellis. 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:15.880 - Thank you, Chair. 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:17.000 Hailey, back to that buffer 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.880 where the single-family homes are. 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.559 So is there's no fence between this development 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.200 and those property owners? 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:26.640 - I believe the existing homes have fences 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:27.480 along that property line. 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.079 - So that would be the line, 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:30.880 and then there would just be these trees? 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:31.799 - That's correct, yeah. 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.359 Our buffer requirements don't require a fence. 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.559 They can install one if they choose to, 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:38.359 but we don't require a fence at this time. 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.200 - And how is it determined? 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:42.960 I see you have six trees, 25. 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.200 Is that what they're proposing, 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.519 or is that what's required? 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:48.019 - That's both. 00:20:48.019 --> 00:20:48.960 That's the code requirement, 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:49.880 and they're meeting that number. 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:50.920 - How's that figured? 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:54.279 - I'm honestly not sure how we came up with that 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:54.720 requirement, 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.559 but it is a standard for each of our buffers. 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.039 There's a set number of trees and shrubs per 100 linear 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:00.559 feet. 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.200 And typically the more intense the buffer, 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.799 type C or D, requires more trees and less shrubs. 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:10.119 The ratio kind of trades off as the buffer intensifies. 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:12.480 - Okay. 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.759 Another question I had. 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.720 This is just feeding out into Windsor, correct? 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:19.559 - In terms of access? 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:20.400 - Yes. 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.039 - Yes, their only driveway would be here on Windsor. 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.559 Do you know what the services are planned there? 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.039 I was just curious at what is the traffic flow 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.759 in this development? 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.440 - I haven't seen the traffic generation for this. 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:35.720 I don't believe they triggered the requirements for a TIA 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:37.720 with the small size of the development. 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:40.480 But that is something that we'll look into 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.700 with their site plan. 00:21:42.700 --> 00:21:44.319 The property's already plotted at this point, 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.160 so when they get to a full site plan, 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.440 engineering would review the traffic data. 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.240 - Yeah, I know something was mentioned in there, 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:51.720 a left turn lane that was required. 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.559 So somebody must have done some kind of study. 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.119 I think I read that on there. 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.079 It might have been in the narrative that they provided. 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:00.900 - I believe it was, yeah, you're correct. 00:22:00.900 --> 00:22:03.799 I think they were proposing a left turn lane on Windsor. 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:04.640 - Okay. 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:09.480 Okay, I think that's all I have at the moment, thanks. 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:14.279 - Any other questions on this item? 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:19.720 Okay, thank you, Hayden. 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.039 - Sure, legal? 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.400 - Yeah, so I'm gonna have to say that I misspoke 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.400 when Council Member Ellis, you asked whether on item 2A 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.400 on the consent agenda, whether we would have to take 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.440 one individual because of the abstention. 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:41.440 And I was confirmed with the 229 of our code ordinances, 00:22:42.700 --> 00:22:45.240 a member can't abstain from a vote 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:47.759 if they don't have a conflict or for other reasons. 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:51.200 And so that would require us to take a separate vote for A, 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:54.799 then when the chair came back, the council could, 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.180 the commission could vote on B and C. 00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:00.720 So those present, not including the abstention, 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.559 would vote on A, then we have a separate vote for B and C. 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:08.640 - Okay, we got it. 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.839 All right, that will move us from our items 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:20.880 for individual consideration. 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.519 To our public hearing section for later this evening. 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.359 And item A, we'll call on Hayley for a presentation 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.319 and then Cindy Jackson for the next item. 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.640 - So this is a replant for the 510 villas. 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.460 The property is approximately 10 and a half acres 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:56.279 located on the west side of Fort Worth Drive. 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:58.900 It is just south of Collins Street, 00:23:58.900 --> 00:24:03.059 which is here to the north around these apartments. 00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:06.000 What they're proposing is two lots, 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.799 the northern lot is intended for a mixed use development, 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.299 multifamily and commercial along Fort Worth Drive. 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.720 Not aware of any specific plans for lot two at the moment, 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.880 but this is a replant. 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.220 It was actually two lots at one point. 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:25.220 The former lot line for lot one was this general area here. 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:27.980 And then lot two was the back portion of the property, 00:24:27.980 --> 00:24:29.480 this southern piece here. 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:34.140 And this northern portion was just over two acres 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.259 that was previously unplatted property. 00:24:36.259 --> 00:24:39.680 So we're combining or reconfiguring two platted lots 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:41.519 and a portion of unplatted property. 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:45.440 - Commissioner Beck. 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.380 - Thank you, Chair, sorry. 00:24:47.380 --> 00:24:50.680 - Okay, could you, with your cursor, 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.279 could you draw that line and show us what we're looking at? 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:54.220 - Certainly. 00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:56.720 So what we have, the proposal, 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.640 this line down the middle would subdivide 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.759 a lot one on the north, lot two on the south. 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:03.279 The original configuration, 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.099 we had unplatted property just over two acres up here. 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.960 Lot one of the original plat was this area here. 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.960 And then lot two was all of this back area 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:16.279 and the southern piece. 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:20.839 - Okay, so we're going to one lot? 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:21.680 - Two lots. 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:22.500 - Two lots, okay. 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.119 Now is lot one still that line? 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.400 - Lot one is this entire northern. 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.119 - Okay, so that line going through the middle there, 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:31.920 that was, I guess, the previous one. 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.720 - This is the existing plot line. 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.160 - No, above that, yes, that. 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.279 That's not a boundary line for lot one? 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.680 - That is the existing boundary of lot one 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.079 of the original plat that's being removed by this plot. 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:44.440 - Okay, thank you. 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:47.279 - Thank you. 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.480 - Any other questions for Haley on this item? 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:57.380 Okay, thank you, Haley. 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:21.279 Okay, Z17-0034 is a request for approval 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:36.039 to rezone a 0.81 acre property from the RCCN district 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.799 to the RCCD district. 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.799 You can see the site right here, bordered by yellow. 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:47.799 The site is located generally on the northeast side of I-35 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.400 and about approximately 627 feet southeast of Mayhill. 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:55.880 The quick trip is here and then Dickies 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.940 and then the care facility is here. 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:03.299 This shows the current zoning map 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:06.440 and the site zoning as RCCN. 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.259 And if the site, if this is request approved, 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:11.759 this shows how the map will look 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.079 with the site rezoned to RCCD. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.400 The subject area has a land use designation 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.339 of regional mixed use. 00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:27.000 This designation is typically located 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.319 along the I-35 interchanges. 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.619 It's also located along primary arterials 00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:37.619 and it's intended for regional uses 00:27:37.660 --> 00:27:42.660 such as shopping centers, large multifamily uses, 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:47.980 car dealerships. 00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:49.759 The applicant is proposing actually 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.279 to use the site for a car dealership 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.480 and the types of uses and scale of development 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.319 that are permitted in the requested RCC district, 00:27:58.319 --> 00:27:59.880 they do conform to the goals 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.980 of the regional mixed use designation. 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.920 The RCCD district would actually be a continuation 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.960 of the existing RCCD district that surrounds the area. 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:20.920 Directly next door to the east is the RCR1 district 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:25.920 and then on the south on the other side of I-35 is RCCN. 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.000 And then somewhat back off of the freeway 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.680 we've got NR4 and NR2 right here 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.960 which is part of Unicorn Lake. 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.519 The uses permitted in the RCCD district 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.720 are consistent with the uses that exist in the area today 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:46.960 which include automobile sales and service, offices, 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:51.119 hospitality and restaurant and commercial uses. 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.839 Access to the site will be taken from I-35 service road. 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:02.200 Water and sewer is available from the site. 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.640 I-35 is designated freeway 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.119 and Mayhill Road is a primary arterial roadway. 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.880 So the site has plenty of access available. 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.160 Six certified notices were sent out 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.680 to areas within 200 feet of the property 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.039 with property owners within 200 feet of the property 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:30.039 on April 8th and 14 courtesy notices were sent out 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.000 to properties within 500 feet of the notice 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.759 of the subject site. 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.759 And as of today we've not received any responses to them. 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.440 The DDC has two criteria for approval of a zoning request. 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.759 One is that the request, 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.279 the proposal conforms to the future land use designation 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.319 and this request does indeed conform 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.200 to the future land use designation. 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.680 And one is that it facilitates the provision 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:05.920 of infrastructure. 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.880 The infrastructure is already in place. 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.960 The site was originally developed as a gas station. 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.119 It has since been closed and the tanks have been removed. 00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.119 However, it does still have water and sewer available. 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.160 That concludes my presentation. 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:28.160 - Questions? 00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:32.970 I have one question, how are we treating all these rezon 00:30:32.970 --> 00:30:33.160 ings 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.319 in tying them into the future zoning map 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.920 with the DDC update that's coming? 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.680 - With the rezonings, these people will be vested 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:49.680 in the use standards and development standards 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.000 that we are currently under. 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:52.839 - Okay. 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.559 - So the site will be rezoned to whatever 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.400 the designation will match the future land use. 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.599 However, they are vested in our rules today. 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:05.440 - Okay. 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.720 And I think maybe staff might have some further input 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.359 or clarification on that with the DDC update. 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.039 I don't know if you wanna take that up now 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.039 or with the DDC update. 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:19.160 - Do you wanna do that when I'm finished 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:20.000 with my presentation? 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.079 - Yeah, I mean, it's my mission. 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.720 I have to try and fix it. 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:24.559 - Okay. 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:27.319 Commissioner Beck. 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.440 - Thanks, I'm glad you asked that question, Chair, 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.119 'cause that was going through my mind too. 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.519 But it seems to, even though it's gonna go 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.240 by the existing rules, it seems like it would fit 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.480 that corridor along that line. 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.079 That's the only reason I wasn't too concerned about 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.400 but I'm glad you asked that. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.039 And I guess there'll be some more clarification 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:46.880 from Ron when he comes up, so. 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.019 - It will, and it conforms with our new Denton plan, 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:53.680 future land use designation, 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.720 which is what our zoning is modeled after. 00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.519 Just for clarification, where I was going with that 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.640 is that I know we've developed what's gonna be 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.279 the rezone of the whole city based on 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.359 what current zonings are. 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.640 And if they're changing their zoning, 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.720 I wanted to just bring it to light 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.599 that we go back and look at whatever they're zoning to 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.819 is in either comparable or better than 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:22.279 what they may currently be shown as in the rezoning map. 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.640 That the update in zoning they get now is the same, 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.200 but it's not one of those blocks, well, 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.440 it was this and our future zoning kept it in that category 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.079 and it kind of-- - Exactly. 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.400 So the applicant, whatever they choose to do with this, 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.359 if they decide to redevelop it, 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.859 they can stay with our current regulations 00:32:44.859 --> 00:32:47.119 or they have a choice of going with the new regulations 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.359 when the time comes. 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.200 - Okay, great. 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:51.279 - Thank you. 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.319 - Just to clear, this will, it's anticipated now 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.559 to be highway commercial, which is, okay. 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.400 But honestly, the most intense that we wouldn't have 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.200 throughout the city. 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.920 - Okay, great. 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.079 Any other questions for Cindy on this item? 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:09.599 - Okay. 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.400 - I think that will take us through our agenda items. 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.400 So we will go back now to our work session reports. 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.420 I assume Ron's gonna make that presentation 00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:27.200 before you get started, how long is your presentation? 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.720 Do we need to stop and break? 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:29.920 - Be really short. - Okay. 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:31.279 - Really short. - Well, go ahead. 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.799 - So just really quickly, this is an opportunity 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:37.599 to brief the PNZ of the subcommittee, 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.480 the DCRC Development Code Review Committee's actions 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:42.700 or discussions. 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:48.839 Last week, we met on the 18th 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:55.759 and really, we just covered the subchapters, 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.160 subchapters six, seven, and eight, 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.279 similar to what you all discussed with Clarion 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:01.480 when they were here. 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.119 And just high level, we talked about fencing, 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:11.119 the use of chain link, landscaping, and even solid waste. 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.599 But we didn't really get into details. 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.320 The hope is that when we have our meeting, 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:20.599 actually our next meeting is tomorrow with the committee 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.920 and we'll be focusing on subchapter one, 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:23.760 starting with that. 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.519 And at that point, we'll go a little bit more 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:30.000 into details page by page and answering 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.360 and presenting that subchapter. 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.920 So really not an update other than we discussed, 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.239 again, six, seven, eight, very high level 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.880 with Clarion when they were here. 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.059 And our next meeting, again, is tomorrow. 00:34:44.059 --> 00:34:46.719 After that, we should have a little bit more information 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.559 as far as presenting back to the Planning, 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:49.539 Zoning Commission. 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.000 As it relates to the question earlier with the zoning, 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.079 we, when I say we, staff collectively understand 00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.760 that any rezoning that's going forward, 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.960 we have to pay really strict attention to it 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.119 because we don't wanna be approving something 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.840 and I'll find out later with the proposed rezoning, 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.280 it's changed dramatically. 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.159 What we're doing also is making sure 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.360 that we keep track of these approvals, 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.519 go back and verify our proposed or draft zoning map 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.360 so that, again, if there's something that's changed 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.960 or is proposed to change, we address it 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.280 before the code gets updated or before the map gets updated 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.360 and considered by City Council. 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:31.179 Yeah. 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:35.119 - Any questions? 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:37.820 I've got a couple. 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.920 Can you share with us what the process is gonna be 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.820 as we continue going through these code updates? 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.599 As far as what sort of public input city staff 00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.280 or commissions are getting, these subcommittees 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:02.039 from citizens, property owners, say, okay, we reviewed it, 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.239 we have some questions or concerns 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.599 and is there gonna be some type of comments, 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.320 red lines type draft that at some point comes back, 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.260 we have the information come before the commission 00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:19.639 and say, we've sent it out, we've gotten 100 comments, 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.000 here's what we've done to address them 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.380 and here's how we've changed it. 00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:23.760 Can you-- - Sure, no, 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.480 that's a great question, it's the last comment. 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.800 We also had the same request from the committee. 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.880 We are currently in a series of public open houses 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:35.840 where people can come in and ask questions. 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.519 We are tracking every comment through comment cards. 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:40.800 Those comment cards are available 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.159 at the public open houses. 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.519 They can come to our offices and we fill out 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:46.960 the same comment cards. 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.280 Ultimately, what we want is to have these comments 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.840 in a spreadsheet and that spreadsheet 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.920 is what we will produce to the subcommittee 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.039 and also the PNZ if as requested. 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:03.670 At that spreadsheet, we will identify those common comments 00:37:03.670 --> 00:37:04.039 . 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.559 We will then forward those comments to our consultants 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:11.800 and use it with staff to redraft or revise 00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.119 the next official draft and that next official draft 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.480 is what we're calling a consolidated draft. 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.920 So currently we have a public draft which is online 00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.920 which people have the opportunity to review 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.440 and provide comments. 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.980 Again, through the comment cards, through email, 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:29.960 through phone call, any information that are, 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.860 request questions they may have, 00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:33.800 they can present it to the staff. 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.199 We will then again add it to our spreadsheet. 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.639 Spreadsheet gets consolidated or compiled, 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.679 forwarded to our consultants and they will use that 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.320 with staff to draft the next version 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.280 which is the consolidated draft. 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.960 And at that point, hopefully you will see 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.920 where the changes have occurred 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.019 based on the comments we've received 00:37:54.019 --> 00:37:56.519 and we'll have a red line. 00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.199 The consultants are prepared to do that. 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.719 - Okay, there's a follow-up to that. 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.039 That's great to hear and I think that's 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:05.780 like a great approach. 00:38:05.780 --> 00:38:08.400 Can you give us an idea approximately how many comment 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:08.920 cards 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.719 or emails that you've gotten from the general public so far 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:12.019 ? 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.480 - Sean, if he can let me, he's the one 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:16.800 he's actually compiling it. 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.000 I forward it to him. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.880 Every email I get, Sean, here you go. 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.039 If you can come up here. 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.000 And by the way, this is Sean Jacobson. 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.440 He is our new assistant planner, 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.820 prior intern for the planning division, so Sean Jacobson. 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:33.719 - Good evening. 00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:36.880 So I'm giving you an estimate but what we have 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.380 in this spreadsheet as of now, I would say 00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:42.800 we're approaching 50 to 60 comments 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.199 and we've been gathering those actually 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.159 since the very beginning of this process. 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.000 So that includes every email, phone call 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.280 and comment card we've received. 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.199 Actually added one today, someone called in 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.079 and then he had his brother call in to say the same thing 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.039 'cause they really wanted to get that message across. 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.239 We record all of that as well as our responses 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.480 to those individuals should that be of interest to them. 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:03.880 - Great, thank you. 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.119 - Just to add to that too, and we're also gonna be adding 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.159 this to the spreadsheet, we've met that is 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.840 with the developers, DCDA committee or alliance 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.039 and they've forwarded us their comments as well. 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.239 So we have copies of that so we'll be folding that in 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:24.800 as part of the spreadsheet. 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.519 So again, everything's gonna be in this spreadsheet again 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.360 so that everyone can see what those comments are 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.679 and then we'll be using that to monitor 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.679 what we do with those comments. 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.519 - Great. 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.800 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.800 - So we're not gonna have another kind of a snafu, 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.400 I think that we had once before 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.559 when there were all these comments 00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:50.800 and the developer or whoever it was said, 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.960 oh yeah, we took all that into consideration 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.639 and yet they hadn't. 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.280 And so every comment's gonna be considered 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.519 and looked at and talked about, addressed. 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.619 - Yes, yes, so the idea there is if there's common comments 00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:04.619 , 00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:07.320 we will compile those and those will obviously 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.840 be something we will address individually. 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:10.800 - Okay, thank you. 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.480 - Is there something? 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:17.320 No? 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:18.960 You look like you're pondering whether you're gonna 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.199 ask a question or not. 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:21.039 (laughing) 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.000 - I mean, was there something that I missed 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.239 with the DCRC that we discussed? 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.079 - Commissioner Ellis. 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:28.320 - Thank you, Chair. 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.719 No, Ron, as a matter of fact, 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.880 I asked the same question you asked, Chair, 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.039 which was how are we compiling these comments? 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.440 So, and I can add this, 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.599 I am on another committee where Sean has been present 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.039 and he is an excellent data compiler. 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.880 I have seen him in action multiple times. 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.079 So I believe that spreadsheet's in good hands. 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.360 I look forward to seeing it. 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:49.920 - Twice, permanent staff. 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:50.760 - Yep. 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.639 (laughing) 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:54.519 - Great. - All right. 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:56.039 - Any other questions for Ron? 00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:57.800 - Thank you all. 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.679 - I like how you're doing a great job, thank you. 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:01.719 Okay. 00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:05.840 With that, I'm gonna close our work session 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.840 at 5.42 and we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30. 00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:12.159 Thank you. 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.960 - Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.440 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.239 for April 25th, 2018. 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:35.800 This meeting's been duly posted 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:37.360 and we do have a quorum present 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.360 and I will call us to order at this time at 6.33. 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.360 Our first order of business will be to stand 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.920 and give the pledge to the US and the Texas flags. 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.480 - I pledge allegiance to the flag 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:55.719 of the United States of America 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.519 and to the Republic for which it stands, 00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.840 one nation under God, indivisible, 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.440 with liberty and justice for all. 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.800 - Honor the Texas flag. 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.760 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.480 one state under God, one and indivisible. 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.960 I will take us to our consent agenda 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.920 and we're gonna split our consent agenda 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.920 into item two A and then follow with item two B and C. 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.960 I as chair have a conflict of interest on item A 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.760 and so at this time I'm gonna step out 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.639 and I'm gonna turn it over to Commissioner Alice. 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:55.679 - Okay, thank you chair. 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:57.079 With the chair's recusal, 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:01.000 we will consider consent agenda item A, 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.960 consider request by Prime Denton Properties LLC 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.840 for approval of a final plaque. 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:11.320 - And I will entertain discussion or motion. 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.239 Commissioner Beck. 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:22.360 - Motion that we approve FP 170032. 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.599 - Commissioner Sullivan. 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:26.719 - I second that. 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.320 - Okay, we have a motion to approve and a second. 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:30.320 Any discussion? 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.199 Okay, let's call for a vote. 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.559 Motion will carry four to zero. 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.119 We can call the chair back in. 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:58.139 - Thank you chair. 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.679 - Okay, thank you everyone. 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.440 Sorry to have to split that and take a little more time. 00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:17.440 That will pick up now on our consent agenda items B and C. 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:20.960 The chair will entertain a motion. 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.559 Commissioner Ellis. 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:23.400 - Thank you chair. 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.039 And I will move to approve consent agenda item B and C. 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:28.880 - Okay, thank you. 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:29.699 Commissioner Beck. 00:44:29.699 --> 00:44:30.539 - Second. 00:44:30.539 --> 00:44:32.599 - Okay, we have a first and a second for approval. 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:33.960 Any further discussion? 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.639 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.760 Motion's gonna carry five to zero. 00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.719 That will take us to our agenda this evening, 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.039 our individual items for consideration. 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.760 This time I'll call on Haley Zagorski 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:04.519 for item A ADP 18-0001. 00:45:13.420 --> 00:45:17.460 - Good evening, this is item ADP 01 for Iglesia Lahermosa. 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.119 The request before you is for approval of an ADP 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.159 to deviate from two of the requirements 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.000 within our non-residential and mixed use standards 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:27.960 for pedestrian oriented districts. 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.159 The site is a 9.43 acres located on the north side 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.980 of Windsor Road to the west of Bonnie Bray. 00:45:35.980 --> 00:45:37.480 The current zoning for the property 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:39.559 is neighborhood residential two districts, 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.019 so low density residential. 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:44.800 Looking at what is proposed, 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:48.260 we have approximately 12,000 square feet of buildings. 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:51.360 The building would be subdivided into the three areas 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:52.960 you see outlined in orange on the map. 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.239 It would consist of a church, a Bible school building, 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:56.800 and a room for events. 00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.380 Overall, the proposal is equivalent 00:46:00.380 --> 00:46:02.639 to 13 and a half percent lot coverage, 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.110 so 86.5% of the site will remain natural or landscaped area 00:46:07.110 --> 00:46:07.440 . 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.300 They require a total of 75 parking spaces for the use 00:46:10.300 --> 00:46:14.159 that are proposed to the east of the buildings. 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.840 Some other key features, on the north end of the property, 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.719 there is a significant area of a flood plain 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.039 and environmentally sensitive area 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.199 that's all being left intact with no disturbance. 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.280 And just to the east of the property 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.880 on the adjoining parcel is a gas well site. 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.760 So due to this being a church, 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:33.360 that is considered a protected use. 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.719 And they do have a 250 foot reverse setback. 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.360 So you can see the red arrow is the measurement 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.679 from the pad site boundary into the property. 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.400 And then that arc represents the 250 foot radius 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.400 that the buildings had to stay outside of. 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.719 So the specific requests associated with this site plan, 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.760 the first is a requirement that at least 60% 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.199 of the street frontage have buildings 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.519 within 10 feet of the property line. 00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.320 The closest building shown on that site plan 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.199 is about 42 feet from the property line. 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:03.159 In front of the building, 00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.039 to make it a pedestrian friendly space, 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.079 they've proposed a plaza that would include sidewalks, 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.780 a fountain, and flag poles. 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:11.400 Just to give you a comparison, 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.280 if they were to meet that 60% requirement, 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.480 that would be 271 feet of building, 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.639 which exceeds the frontage of all of the buildings 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:18.960 they're proposing combined. 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.119 The second requirement is that 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:23.639 in pedestrian oriented districts, 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.079 there'd be a minimum floor area ratio of 0.4. 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.000 In this case, with a property of 9.43 acres, 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.119 that would equate to just over 164,000 square feet 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:35.440 of building area. 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.159 What they've proposed is an FAR of 0.03, 00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.460 which is the equivalent of the 12,000 square feet 00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:42.300 of building. 00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.559 Just a quick summary of floor area ratio 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.820 is the result of dividing the total floor area of 00:47:49.820 --> 00:47:50.360 structures 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.320 by the total area of the lot. 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.039 So for a 10 acre lot, 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.920 see here to get to that 0.4 FAR required, 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:02.000 it would be around 170,000 square feet 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.400 of building in this example. 00:48:05.699 --> 00:48:08.300 Looking a little more detail on what they've proposed, 00:48:08.300 --> 00:48:10.679 as I mentioned, they're leaving a significant amount 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:11.659 of the site undisturbed. 00:48:11.659 --> 00:48:14.000 That's the area outlined in dark green on the map 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.760 that contains a wooded area flood plain 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.219 and then riparian buffer and flood plain ESA. 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.880 The ESA itself equates to approximately 2.78 acres 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:26.500 out of the total. 00:48:26.500 --> 00:48:29.199 They are providing the required compatibility buffers 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.440 on both the East and West property line 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.639 between the church and the single family homes, 00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:35.400 they're required to type C buffer. 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.079 So that buffer is required to 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:38.840 and is proposed to contain six trees 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:40.880 and 25 shrubs for each hundred feet. 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.960 And then on the opposite side of the site, 00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.800 where they about the gas well, which is an industrial use, 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.800 they have a type B buffer that's required to contain 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.699 five trees and 30 shrubs for every 100 linear feet. 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:55.579 Some other landscaping features, 00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:57.500 they do meet all of the street tree and parking lot 00:48:57.500 --> 00:48:57.960 screening 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.360 and parking lot landscaping requirements as well. 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.699 So the intent of our pedestrian oriented districts 00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:07.840 is to encourage walkable urban style development 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:09.199 in areas where we anticipate 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.039 there'd be high pedestrian activity. 00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.760 The code goes on to define pedestrian oriented districts 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.480 as all of the central business district, 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:17.679 as well as all of the neighborhood 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:19.559 residential zoning districts. 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.039 So even in cases like this, 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.179 where we have primarily single family, 00:49:23.179 --> 00:49:25.599 Windsor is not a high pedestrian traffic area, 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:27.260 that designation still applies. 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.599 Looking at the criteria for approval of an ADP, 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.440 the first being preservation of existing neighborhoods. 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.079 Through our analysis, staff found that this wouldn't 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:38.639 be likely to have any negative impact 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.559 on the surrounding neighborhood. 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.280 In fact, by deviating from the high FAR requirement, 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.880 they're actually providing a development 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.440 that's more neighborhood scale and consistent 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.280 with the development in this area 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:52.900 and those single family homes. 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.519 The second criteria is to assure quality development. 00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.159 We didn't find that their proposal is seeking 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.119 to lower the design standards in any way, 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:03.159 they're just proposing a smaller scale development 00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.039 that's more consistent with the neighborhood 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:06.199 and allows for the preservation 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.400 of all the key environmental features on site. 00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:10.800 As far as the next requirement, 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:12.980 focusing new development to activity centers, 00:50:12.980 --> 00:50:14.320 this is kind of an infill property, 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.960 it's remained undeveloped for a significant amount of time, 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:19.039 so this wouldn't be contributing 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:20.940 to the sprawl of the city in any way. 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.000 All of the necessary infrastructure is in place 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.840 along Windsor Drive. 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.260 And to speak to a question that came up in work session 00:50:29.260 --> 00:50:31.079 about the left turn lane, 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:32.239 I looked into that a little bit further 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:33.920 and they've given preliminary traffic data 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:35.360 to the city's traffic engineer 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.800 to determine if that will be a requirement or not. 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:42.079 And then the final standard is that the result 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:43.199 is a high quality development 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.159 that meets the intent of the code. 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.320 By providing the plaza area as they proposed, 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.840 they're still providing that direct pedestrian connectivity 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:51.800 from Windsor to the development. 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.480 And as I mentioned before, by lowering the FAR of the site, 00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.880 they're actually making their development more consistent 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.440 and less imposing on the surrounding neighborhood. 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.639 With that, staff is recommending approval of the request 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.920 and I'd be happy to answer any other questions. 00:51:08.860 --> 00:51:10.320 Commissioner Ellis. 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:11.159 - Thank you, Chair. 00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:12.519 Thank you, Haley. 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.519 One thing I forgot to ask at work session, 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.000 currently in our backup, 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.960 it says the congregation is 150 parishioners, 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.079 but the church is being built to seat 300 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.159 to allow room for the congregation to grow. 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:29.440 There's only 75 parking places now. 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.920 I would imagine that's not going to work 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.260 if the congregation does double like that. 00:51:33.260 --> 00:51:38.260 So is there room there to build additional parking? 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.159 - There could be room for additional parking 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:41.840 with how large the site is. 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:45.679 The code requirement is one parking stall per four seats. 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.559 So they've allowed for that maximum of 300 seats 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.239 meets the current code requirement. 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:52.679 - Doesn't seem like that would be enough 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.079 for 300 parishioners. 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.780 Okay, thank you. 00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:58.320 - Commissioner Sanchez. 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.400 - Are they gonna be required to put a sidewalk 00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:04.940 along their property? 00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:06.000 - Yes. - Okay. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.840 - Yes, that will be part of the development. 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.480 - So as that area gets developed, 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.440 they'll run a sidewalk all on that end of the, 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.039 that side of the road? 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:16.639 - Yeah, generally as each parcel develops, 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.440 it's responsible for providing the sidewalk 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:19.360 along its frontage. 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:20.940 - 'Cause there's a lot of people that walk 00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:23.199 from those neighborhoods down to North Lakes. 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.280 You see them all the time running, jogging. 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.079 So it'd be important that we have good sidewalks on that. 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.460 - Yes, yeah, and they will be providing the sidewalks 00:52:31.460 --> 00:52:33.320 along their frontage and then concurrently 00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:34.440 as each piece develops, 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.920 unless the CIP project comes along for that. 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.360 They'll be developed piece by piece. 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:40.199 - Okay. 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.360 - Any other questions for Haley? 00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:50.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:50.840 - Thank you, Chair. 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:54.440 Are we gonna have a representative for the project? 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.280 - For next, yes sir. 00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.320 - Yeah, the applicant is here if there are any questions. 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.280 - Okay, great. 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:01.519 Okay, thank you, Haley. 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.480 This item is for individual consideration. 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.320 So if the applicant's here, 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:11.960 be happy to have you come and tell us about your project. 00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:15.039 And if you're satisfied with staff presentation, 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:15.880 that's fine too. 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.280 - My name's Craig Bond, I'm with KJE. 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:20.300 We're the engineer. 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.000 He's a believer, he's gonna be the pastor at the church. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.239 I don't really have anything to add 00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:28.360 other than what Haley says, he does a great job. 00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:29.400 - Great. 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:30.400 - Let me see. - If you have any questions 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:31.239 that you might-- 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.519 - I have one question so far, Commissioner Beck. 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:34.519 - Thank you, Chair, thank you. 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:35.920 Craig, what was your last name? 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:36.880 - Craig Bond. 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.519 - Bond, okay, thank you for coming up. 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:41.480 Couple of things. 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.239 I didn't see anything on this plan 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.239 about heading west on Windsor, 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.239 maybe cutting in a little area 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:54.599 before you pull into the drive. 00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:57.320 Is there any plans of doing that so it doesn't impact, 00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.000 not that Windsor right now is a high traffic area, 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:01.719 but maybe-- - We talked to the engineering 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.440 staff and they thought that we could get by 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:05.880 without a right turn lane. 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:07.119 - Okay. - But they want us 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.039 to put in a left turn lane. 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:11.519 - Right, got that, that's a good thing. 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.960 But you don't see any future possibility 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.380 of putting in that little extra right turn lane 00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:18.320 going west on Windsor? 00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:19.840 Not now? - Probably rather not, 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.320 because of the expense. 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.239 And since folks will only be showing up 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.800 probably on Wednesdays and Sundays, 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.400 we don't anticipate a whole lot of traffic 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.440 outside of those hours. - Okay. 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:32.840 One other thing I would like to address, 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.199 and I'm gonna say a little bit on it 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:35.119 before we actually go on it, 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.679 but just you're aware of the oil well, 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.360 the gas well that's nearby, right? 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:40.599 - Correct. 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:42.800 - Any concerns there about that at all? 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.440 I mean, about being that close to, 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.280 there is a lot of research out lately 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.880 that these things are becoming more of a concern 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.800 than they were previously when we set these setbacks up. 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.840 But I mean, is everybody fully aware of any potential? 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.559 - We've met with the pastor several times. 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.679 He's aware of the-- - Everybody feels comfortable. 00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.159 - And I don't think he has any issues with it. 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:08.280 - Okay, okay. 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:09.880 Well, I didn't wanna, and that's fine. 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:11.280 I think this is a good project. 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:12.760 I plan on voting for it. 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:13.940 But I do have a concern, 00:55:13.940 --> 00:55:16.400 so I'll say something on it before we vote. 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.960 But that's all I have for you. 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:20.679 Thank you, sir. 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:21.679 - I have one other question that's come up. 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:22.599 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.079 - Thank you, Chair. 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:25.179 I just wanna let you know, 00:55:25.179 --> 00:55:27.280 I find it somewhat refreshing 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:31.119 that you're not trying to put every square inch 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:34.559 under concrete, trying to squeeze everything you can out of 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:34.659 it 00:55:34.659 --> 00:55:36.599 to build another building or another house 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.440 or another whatever. 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.480 And so I appreciate the fact that y'all wanna have 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.639 a nice big open area for your church. 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.500 I think it's gonna add to the neighborhood. 00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:47.760 So I appreciate that. 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:48.800 - All right, thank you. 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.760 Any other questions for the applicant? 00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:55.800 Okay. 00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:56.639 - Thank you, sir. 00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:58.159 - Thank you. 00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.199 - This is an item for individual consideration. 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:01.679 I don't have any cards for anyone 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.280 who wishes to speak on this item. 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:05.960 And so with that, if there's no one else 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:07.119 that would like to address this item, 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.099 we will move on to discussion or motion. 00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:12.480 Okay. 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.840 Commissioner Begg. 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:15.099 - Thank you, Chair. 00:56:15.099 --> 00:56:16.599 This is a little out of the norm for me, 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:21.599 so I appreciate your tolerance on this. 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.119 This is an area, I'm probably part of that citizen group 00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:29.880 that is concerned about developments close to gas wells. 00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:33.500 We've got setbacks established and that's fine. 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.639 The city is aware of the problems involved. 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:38.800 I think we've addressed them okay. 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.719 And your development, it's a good development. 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.239 I'm glad to see that land filled over there. 00:56:45.099 --> 00:56:47.920 The ADP that's been offered here 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.599 appears to fall within the realm of our development code 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.440 that allows this and this technically, 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:54.920 there's no reason for me to oppose it 00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.079 and I don't plan on doing it. 00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.699 But I am gonna say a few comments. 00:56:59.699 --> 00:57:02.280 I'm a little concerned about these kind of developments 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:03.840 because they are close to gas wells. 00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:05.280 So if you'll bear with me on this, 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.679 I'll get through this as quickly as I can. 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.760 The decision to build next to an existing gas well 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:13.559 to the east of your property runs the risk 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.079 of creating health and safety issues 00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:16.619 for the church's congregation. 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:20.519 Though this development falls within the setback guidelines 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.760 allowed by the city, it still remains close enough over 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:24.360 time 00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:25.940 to generate health issues for everyone 00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:27.599 who frequents this area. 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.679 The setback limits that were established 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.760 just a few short years ago are already being shown 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.840 insufficient to prevent greater lung and cancer diseases. 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.400 This however is an issue that hopefully one day soon 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.960 will be addressed by local authorities 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:41.840 and including our city council. 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.000 A recent cumulative study from the Colorado School 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.199 of Public Health, Boulder County Public Health 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.199 and Colorado University at Boulder 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.320 where they have a lot of gas wells, concluded the following 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:53.400 . 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.599 We found that air pollutant concentrations increased 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.639 with proximity to an oil and gas facility 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.659 as did health risk. 00:58:02.659 --> 00:58:06.920 Acute hazard indices for neurological, hematological 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:08.840 and developmental health effects indicate 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.320 that populations living within 500 feet 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:14.639 of oil and gas facilities could experience 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.159 these health effects from inhalation exposure 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.039 to benzene and alkanes. 00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.599 The potential for contracting leukemia, 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.440 endocrine disruptions, asthma, preterm birth 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.239 and fetal death is significantly enhanced. 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:29.679 The study also found that cancer risks were eight times 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:30.599 higher 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.679 than the EPA's upper level threshold, 00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:37.239 risk threshold at these close proximities. 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.519 Now whether anyone associated with this church 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.159 actually encouraging these ill health conditions over time 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:44.679 is not absolute. 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.079 But as a public servant, as a part of this commission 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:51.119 who is concerned about the welfare of all of its citizens, 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.739 I would just feel remiss that if I didn't share this 00:58:54.739 --> 00:58:55.760 for the public record. 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.360 So I just wanted to be out there. 00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.159 In the words of an old adage, 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.000 to be forewarned is to be forewarned. 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.079 So having said that, I feel less guilty 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:04.400 about voting for now anyway. 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.139 So thank you, Chair. 00:59:06.139 --> 00:59:06.980 - Okay. 00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:09.780 Any other discussion? 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.719 Okay, that chair would entertain a motion. 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:18.320 Commissioner Sanchez. 00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:23.159 - I make a motion to accept item A, 00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:27.599 which is ADP 18-001. 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:28.619 - Move for approval. 00:59:28.619 --> 00:59:29.599 - Move for approval, yes. 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.699 - Okay, we have a motion for approval. 00:59:32.699 --> 00:59:33.880 Commissioner Beck. 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:35.480 - And with my reluctance as stated, 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:36.599 I'll second that motion. 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.159 - Okay, we have a first and a second for approval. 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:41.039 Any further discussion on this item? 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.639 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.099 (clears throat) 00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:55.639 Motion carries five to zero. 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:58.860 That will move us to our public hearing section 00:59:58.860 --> 00:59:59.699 this evening. 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:02.619 This time I'm gonna open the public hearing 01:00:02.619 --> 01:00:06.760 for FR 17-0007. 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.739 We'll call on Haley for presentation of this item. 01:00:09.739 --> 01:00:11.039 Good luck on your project. 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:19.739 (clicks tongue) 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:32.559 All right. 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.960 So this request is for approval of a final replat 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.699 of the 510 Villas project. 01:00:42.699 --> 01:00:45.039 The replat includes two lots, 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.039 total of approximately 10.5 acres. 01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:50.159 The property is located along Fort Worth Drive, 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.920 approximately 1,000 feet south of Collins Street. 01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:55.519 As I mentioned, it's two lots, 01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.079 so the lot line dividing lot one and two 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.500 is approximately here in the middle of the property. 01:01:00.500 --> 01:01:03.579 Lot one is intended for a mixed use development, 01:01:03.579 --> 01:01:05.679 including multifamily and commercial development 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.500 along Fort Worth Drive. 01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:09.800 Lot two, there are no immediate plans for development 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.239 at this time, to my knowledge. 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.039 The replat is of two lots and some unplatted property, 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:19.440 so this northern portion of lot one 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.199 was previously unplatted, approximately two acres. 01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.440 The original lot one within the paint addition 01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:28.239 was this area that outlined here, 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.159 and then the back portion of the property 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.239 and the southern piece was the original lot two 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:33.360 of the paint addition. 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.760 The property is zoned Downtown Commercial General. 01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:39.519 I'd be happy to answer any other questions 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:40.719 you have about the plot. 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.159 - Okay, see no questions. 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:47.000 Thank you, Havie. 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:47.840 - Thank you. 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:50.159 - Is the applicant here? 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:51.880 Would they like to speak on this item? 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:52.719 Okay. 01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:55.719 Please give us your name and address, 01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:56.559 and then before you leave, 01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.719 if you'll fill out one of our cards for us. 01:01:58.719 --> 01:01:59.800 Let's see, we'd appreciate it. 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:00.800 - Yes, sir. 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.360 My name is Matt Kane with Kane Click Engineering, 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:08.000 325 North St. Paul, Suite 2850, Dallas, Texas. 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:09.840 We work with staff on coming together 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:11.000 with this plot application, 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.800 and we're working on the site plan. 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.000 There's no conditions in this. 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.400 We've been, staff's been very helpful 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.239 in getting us to where we are at this point. 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:21.199 If you guys have any questions, we're here to answer them. 01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:22.599 Anything you guys might have. 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:23.880 - Great. 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:25.480 Any questions for the applicant? 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.800 Thank you, sir. 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.239 Again, this is a public hearing. 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:31.880 Anyone who would like to speak on this item, 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:33.480 please come forward at this time. 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:38.599 Anyone to speak on this item? 01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:41.400 Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing 01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.800 and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:48.159 Commissioner Ellis. 01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:49.000 - Thank you, Chair. 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:50.920 I move approval of FR 17. 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:53.480 - Commissioner Sanchez. 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:54.320 - I second it. 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:55.139 - Okay. 01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:56.800 We have a first and a second for approval. 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:58.239 Any further discussion? 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.000 Seeing none, we'll call for a vote on board. 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.440 Motion's gonna carry five to zero. 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.159 That will move us to our next item, B. 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:21.159 I'm gonna open the public hearing for Z 17-0034. 01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.559 We'll call on Cindy Jackson for presentation. 01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.199 - Thank you, Chairman, Commissioners. 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:45.440 Z 17-0004 is a request for approval 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:50.199 of a rezoning of a 0.81 acre site 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:54.920 from RCCN to RCCD. 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.519 The site is located on the northeast side of I-35E. 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.579 You can see it outlined in yellow here. 01:04:01.579 --> 01:04:06.480 Approximately 627 feet southeast of Mayhill Road, 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:07.639 which is located here. 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.480 This shows the current zoning map 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.079 with the current zoning on the site of RCCN. 01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.760 And this shows the proposed zoning map if this is approved 01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:22.880 with the site zoning changed to RCCD. 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.800 The site is designated regional mixed use. 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.800 Regional mixed use is a land use 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:37.239 that is primarily along I-35 frontage and arterials. 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:42.159 The intent of the regional mixed use 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.440 is to have development that is cohesive 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.159 and it has a regional draw. 01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.519 Types of uses that are usually in this type of district 01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:57.519 are auto dealerships, hotels, 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.960 large regional centers like Razor Ranch, 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:04.480 multifamily, that kind of thing. 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.280 The types and uses of scale development, 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.280 which are permitted in the requested RCC district 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:16.719 do conform to the regional mixed use land use designation. 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.280 The requested RCCD district would be a continuation 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:23.960 of the existing RCCD. 01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:25.639 That is, as you can see on this map, 01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:28.760 is located on the entire north side, 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:33.119 just about the entire north side of I-35 in this area. 01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:36.880 The property next to it is RCR1 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.639 and then the property on the south side of I-35 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.599 is zoned RCCN. 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.039 The use is permitted in the RCC district. 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:51.039 They are consistent with the uses that exist in the area. 01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:56.039 The applicant plans to use this site for an auto dealership 01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:01.159 and there are several auto dealerships in this area. 01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:08.750 The site takes access from the I-35 service road right here 01:06:08.750 --> 01:06:09.119 , 01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.360 which is designated freeway. 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:16.400 And then the adjacent Mayhill Road 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.119 is designated as a primary arterial. 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.800 There is water and sewer already available at the site. 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:25.320 The site is developed with a gas station. 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.960 That gas station has been vacant for several years 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.920 and the tanks have been pulled out. 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.480 So it does have water and sewer out to site. 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.480 Six notices were sent out within 200 feet 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:43.480 via certified mail and 14 notices were sent out 01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:46.739 via regular mail within 500 feet of the property 01:06:46.739 --> 01:06:50.400 and we have received no response to either of those notices 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:50.639 . 01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:53.119 A sign was also posted 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:55.360 and we did have a legal notice in the paper. 01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.880 Staff recommends approval of this request. 01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:02.719 The RCCD district is consistent with the goals 01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:05.440 and objectives of the Denton Plan 2030 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.679 and it is also compatible with the surrounding property 01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:10.440 in terms of permitted uses. 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.199 That concludes my presentation 01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:15.639 and the applicant is present if you have any questions. 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:17.000 - Any questions for Cindy? 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:20.360 Okay, thank you. 01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:23.320 If the applicant's here, 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:25.360 you're more than welcome to come down 01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.159 and speak on your project if you'd like 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:29.019 and if not, you're not required to. 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.199 - We are here. 01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:34.880 - Okay, you're welcome to address us if you'd like 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.719 and if you don't want to, you're not required to. 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:43.719 - We got the tenant, I'm the business advisor. 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:45.320 - Okay, just give us your-- 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:47.599 - The tenant, David Zygo. 01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:49.599 - If you'll give us your name and your address, 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:51.840 we'll have one speaker at a time. 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:53.280 - Okay, I'm David Zygo. 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.639 I help put together the applicant. 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.159 The city's been very helpful, 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.239 the folks have been very, very helpful 01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:02.559 at getting this done and what I look forward to seeing 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.559 due to you is taking a vacant property 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:05.400 and improving it. 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:07.119 The building's gonna be improved 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:10.360 and the whole lot's gonna be improved 01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.559 and it's gonna bring business to the area. 01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:14.039 - Great. - Okay. 01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:14.880 - Thank you. 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:16.000 If you'll fill out a card for us before you go, 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.479 we'd appreciate it. 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.079 - Good afternoon, my name is Carlos Sandoval. 01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:22.239 My address is 114, Staline Lane, Hickory Creek, 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.000 Texas 75, 065. 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:27.039 And I'm the owner of Lake City Investment. 01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:28.920 I'm trying to help on this lot right here. 01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.399 You know, you guys allowed me. 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:33.159 And David Zygo, he'd be helping with the whole development 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:34.800 and I appreciate the city too. 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:36.479 - Okay, thank you very much. 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.279 Commissioner Beck, you have a question? 01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:41.680 - Yes, I do. 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:42.520 Thank you, too. 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:44.199 - Oh, yes. - Oh, I'm sorry. 01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:46.279 - One question for you, yes. 01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:47.720 Thank you for sharing that with us. 01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:49.760 I think this is, I'm glad to see this site 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.479 being filled up too. 01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:54.720 Is this a used car lot or new car sales? 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:57.000 - Used car lot. - Used car lot, okay. 01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.079 - All right, that's all I wanted. 01:08:58.079 --> 01:08:59.560 Thank you. - Thank you. 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:00.399 Thank you. 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:03.439 - Hello, my name is Andy Fringe. 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:08.279 I'm the owner of the property, Melissa Investments LLC. 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:12.039 And it needs substantial improvement. 01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:14.079 I'm working with these gentlemen to do it 01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:15.680 and they've done a lot of cleanup. 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:20.680 I did have the gasoline tanks removed several years ago. 01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:24.359 Got a clean bill of help from the state. 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:30.239 Right next to the property is Hyundai dealer 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:35.119 and they have used cars there for sale. 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:37.659 This is used car lot, but they have their used cars for 01:09:37.659 --> 01:09:38.079 sale. 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.760 Actually parking some on my property right now. 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:42.520 - Okay, do you have one question for you? 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:45.479 Commissioner Beck, is that still or is that just leftover? 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.159 Leftover, okay, no question. 01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:48.000 Thank you. 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:48.819 If you'd fill out a card for us 01:09:48.819 --> 01:09:49.659 before you leave that seat, we'd appreciate it. 01:09:49.659 --> 01:09:50.840 - I will, thank you. 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:53.279 - Thank you, sir, for coming out. 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:54.880 This is a public hearing. 01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:56.199 Anyone who would like to come forward 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:59.279 and speak on this item at this time, please do so. 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:04.680 Anyone else want to speak on this item? 01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.319 Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:10.779 and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:14.359 Commissioner Beck. 01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:15.199 - Thank you, Chair. 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.159 I move to approve Z170034. 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:19.720 - Okay, Commissioner Ellis. 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:20.680 - Thank you, Chair, second. 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.479 - Okay, I have a first and a second for approval. 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:24.840 Any further discussion? 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.359 Seeing none, we'll call for a vote on the board. 01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:37.000 Motion is gonna carry five, zero. 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.399 Congratulations and good luck with your project. 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:41.600 You're welcome. 01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:46.380 That will move us to our final agenda item tonight, 01:10:46.380 --> 01:10:48.380 which is gonna be our project matrix. 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:53.159 Commissioner Ellis. 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.079 - Thank you, Chair. 01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:59.770 I'm gonna go ahead and bring up what I brought up last time 01:10:59.770 --> 01:11:00.039 . 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.600 Do we have an update on the sign enforcement process? 01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.279 Or can I request that we get one? 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:07.680 - I can provide that to you. 01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:10.079 I'll have it for the next meeting. 01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:11.279 - Okay, I'd appreciate that, thanks. 01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:12.119 - Not a problem. 01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:16.199 - Anybody else? 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:19.319 Commissioner Sanchez. 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:20.979 - I'd like to have two discussions. 01:11:20.979 --> 01:11:23.479 One of them, as we discussed in our earlier meeting 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:28.479 about the ESA and have staff kind of talk to us 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:32.239 a little bit about the issue that I had brought up. 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:37.039 And also like to discuss a little bit on roundabouts 01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:39.680 on our mobility plan, talk a little bit about that. 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:44.479 Those are the two issues I think are. 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:47.300 - Okay, I'll discuss with Debra to provide 01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:49.479 sort of an outline of the issues that were brought up 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:52.119 in the work session with respect to that application. 01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:53.760 And then also give sort of an overall view 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:58.199 of how it's monitored and what happens if it is deterior 01:11:58.199 --> 01:11:58.560 ated. 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:02.479 With respect to the roundabouts, I'll reach out to Pre-Tim. 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.960 I know he and I have spoke about him coming in 01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:06.880 and just giving an overall overview 01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:08.119 along with the mobility plan 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:09.520 and kind of how it all fits together 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:11.239 along with the impact fees. 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:14.439 And once we do the traffic analysis, 01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:16.800 what I wanted him also to do is to talk about 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.399 the traffic model that we do have 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:20.079 and the components of that 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:22.640 and how we're now sort of gathering data. 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.840 With that, I'll have him include roundabouts. 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:30.319 But I will provide a response back as far as a date. 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.020 I know he's been trying to ramp up 01:12:32.020 --> 01:12:33.060 with some additional staff, 01:12:33.060 --> 01:12:35.359 so his time is somewhat limited. 01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:37.680 But I will check with him again 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:39.119 and get back to you by the next meeting 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:43.399 with hopefully a date where he'll be at a work session. 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:44.220 - Okay. 01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:51.079 Commissioner Beck. 01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:51.920 - Thank you, Chair. 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:53.800 Just, this is more thinking out loud 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:55.680 and kind of in conjunction with the request 01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:57.680 to have Deborah Behr come over 01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:01.199 and give us kind of a rating on that ESA off Brinker Road. 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.680 Would that be something that maybe 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:05.920 when we're dealing with a project, a development, 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:10.640 that's gonna have Upland Habit had on it or ESA, 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:12.439 if we don't have a current rating on it, 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.640 that maybe Deborah can be at these meetings to, 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.640 like in this case, we could have kind of posed 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.840 that question to her right then and pop it to her. 01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.319 I know she's busy and I don't wanna lay extra work on her, 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:25.880 but would that be a possibility 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.960 that if a similar situation like this arises, 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:30.260 that she'd be on hand? 01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:32.399 - I can discuss it with her, 01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.239 but I also would wanna talk with Victor a little bit, 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:38.260 'cause I know we have specific criteria 01:13:38.260 --> 01:13:41.760 in which to sort of approve a project. 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:42.760 If that's not one of them, 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:45.880 I would be a little just cautious into 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.560 bringing something else that has a whole separate, 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.479 the alternate ESA has a whole separate process, 01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:54.960 but we could certainly look into 01:13:57.479 --> 01:13:58.319 generalities with respect to it. 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:00.359 I don't know if Victor has anything else to add. 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:02.479 - Just a thought I thought I'd throw out there. 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:03.319 Thank you. 01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:05.100 - No, it's definitely something we can talk about 01:14:05.100 --> 01:14:09.920 or maybe even have her present for questions maybe, 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:11.560 but we'll work on it. 01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:13.960 - Okay. 01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:17.479 Anything else for our matrix? 01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:20.199 Okay. 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:24.279 Seeing none, I will close our meeting this evening at 7.06. 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.039 Thank you everyone for coming out.