WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.719 mission meeting for April 11th 2018. This meeting has been 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:06.799 duly posted and we do 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:11.779 have a quorum present and I will open our work session at 00:00:11.779 --> 00:00:14.619 five o'clock. We'll go 00:00:14.619 --> 00:00:21.179 into clarification of agenda items. So does anybody have 00:00:21.179 --> 00:00:23.059 any comments or changes 00:00:23.059 --> 00:00:25.620 on the minutes? 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:36.880 Okay, as is. How about on the consent agenda? 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:44.880 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. It had to do with the 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.079 Texas oncology. That's 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:56.679 Haley's. Thanks Haley. You know it's really just my brain. 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:58.259 I could not wrap myself 00:00:58.259 --> 00:01:03.009 around this vehicle generation table that was up there. Can 00:01:03.009 --> 00:01:03.439 you walk me 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.510 through that at all as how those numbers were? Those are 00:01:06.510 --> 00:01:08.040 just standard numbers 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.140 based on trip generation for a medical facility of this 00:01:11.140 --> 00:01:13.480 type. Okay, so not specific to this. 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.549 No, it's very general just to determine what their 00:01:16.549 --> 00:01:17.239 estimated trip 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:20.390 generation would be. It's standard data that's requested 00:01:20.390 --> 00:01:21.000 with a preliminary 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.459 plat. In this case they just put it on the plat rather than 00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:24.319 submitting it as a 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:26.840 separate document. Understood. Thank you because I haven't 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:27.560 seen it on top there 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:31.750 before. Thank you. Clarification, this would be specific to 00:01:31.750 --> 00:01:32.480 this site though, 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.290 correct? In that it's you know for that size of a medical 00:01:36.290 --> 00:01:36.859 facility, yeah, but 00:01:36.859 --> 00:01:39.379 they're just estimates based on the ITE manuals. But 00:01:39.379 --> 00:01:42.439 nothing that was done 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.629 specifically in this area for this site? It's not like a 00:01:46.629 --> 00:01:48.159 full TIA. No, this is 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:50.200 just looking at a facility of this type. Some kind of 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:53.799 general data? Yeah, general data from the ITE manuals. 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:59.560 Okay. Just to help, trying to help. It's based on the site 00:01:59.560 --> 00:01:59.840 though. 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.299 Specifically it's using the traffic criteria manual for a 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:04.599 site this size to 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.009 estimate what the traffic generation will be off of this in 00:02:08.009 --> 00:02:09.280 lieu of doing, 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.860 because of the size of it, in lieu of doing an actual TIA. 00:02:13.860 --> 00:02:14.960 So it's kind of a 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:18.770 staff level engineering type calculation that's done 00:02:18.770 --> 00:02:20.280 because of the size it's not 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.620 so large and it doesn't have the trips to justify TIA like 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:24.479 we've talked about. 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.479 But they are having to do an actual traffic calculation for 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.080 this particular 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.659 site by using the criteria manual because it's not big 00:02:34.659 --> 00:02:35.240 enough to trigger 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.199 TIA. So your question, I was just trying to be helpful. 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:39.759 Yeah. I thought what you 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.719 were asking is are those numbers in regards to the site? 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:44.439 Right. Yes, they are. 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.669 They're just the way it's calculated is not a true TIA. 00:02:47.669 --> 00:02:49.879 Understood. That does help. 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:56.280 Thank you very much. Any other questions on this item or on 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:57.199 the consent 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:03.080 agenda? Okay. Thank you, Hayden. 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:10.270 Then we'll move us to items for individual consideration. I 00:03:10.270 --> 00:03:10.840 'll call on 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.319 Haley for presentation of 4A. 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:27.639 All right. This item is an alternative development plan 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:29.800 request for a tractor 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:34.030 dealership and repair facility. So the request is for 00:03:34.030 --> 00:03:35.680 approval of an ADP that 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.280 would deviate from these two specific sections of the code, 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:39.400 perimeter fencing 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.069 and screening requirements and then the parking lot 00:03:42.069 --> 00:03:43.400 screening requirements 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:50.000 within subchapter 13. So the site itself is the northern 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.080 roughly 5.4 acres of 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.729 this tract outlined in yellow. We've seen a preliminary 00:03:54.729 --> 00:03:55.479 plat for this site 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.780 previously. It's being split into two lots and the northern 00:03:58.780 --> 00:03:59.280 lot will be 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.710 developed as a tractor dealership. As you can see here it's 00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:03.840 located on the west 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.969 side of I-35. We have Windsor here across and then it's 00:04:06.969 --> 00:04:07.879 just north of Schuyler 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:11.460 Drive. And this is located within a regional center 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:12.400 commercial downtown 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:16.329 zoning district. To walk you through specifically what's 00:04:16.329 --> 00:04:17.480 involved in this 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.300 request I want to first look at the overall site plan. So 00:04:20.300 --> 00:04:21.079 you can see here 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:23.740 they have about a 20,000 square foot building proposed in 00:04:23.740 --> 00:04:24.439 the middle of the 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.860 site. The area here and here would be display. So this 00:04:28.860 --> 00:04:29.839 would be kind of public 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.790 display like you'd see at a car lot and then this would be 00:04:32.790 --> 00:04:34.319 behind a fence. Just 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.420 other display area for them. The blue areas are where 00:04:37.420 --> 00:04:38.480 customer and employee 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.439 parking would be and the green is a detention pond that 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:42.839 they're proposing at 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:48.240 this time. So what we have on the site is 71% lot coverage 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:49.519 and 29% landscaping 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.810 total and a total of 63 parking spaces. And I did mention 00:04:53.810 --> 00:04:55.279 briefly in your backup 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.600 but I wanted to bring it up here today. There is some 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:58.800 discussion with the city 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.949 of Windsor Drive possibly extending so I wanted to point 00:05:01.949 --> 00:05:03.279 out that this detention 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.459 pond and some of the parking spaces may be relocated before 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:07.740 the building permit 00:05:07.740 --> 00:05:10.149 for this site but it wouldn't alter any of the items that 00:05:10.149 --> 00:05:11.480 they've requested this 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:16.670 alternative plan for. Commissioner Becker. Thank you Chair. 00:05:16.670 --> 00:05:19.319 Okay can you illustrate 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:21.660 where Windsor might come no go back to the other one you 00:05:21.660 --> 00:05:22.879 had there. Where would 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:27.360 Windsor come through? It would be on lot two of the okay if 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:27.879 you remember the 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:31.470 preliminary plat. Right. So lot two being roughly across 00:05:31.470 --> 00:05:33.319 here. Right. The intent 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.639 would be for someday for Windsor to cross. So it wouldn't 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:37.240 come straight 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:40.699 across then? It would probably angle across and hopefully 00:05:40.699 --> 00:05:42.040 come somewhere in 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.980 lot two but just in them dedicating that right-of-way if 00:05:44.980 --> 00:05:46.240 they if they do so it 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.819 could shift their boundary line for lot two a little 00:05:49.819 --> 00:05:50.879 further north and relocate 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.069 some of the parking on this side. Okay mentioned that 00:05:54.069 --> 00:05:55.279 should the Windsor come 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.550 through it'd be located on the south end of the Soate 00:05:58.550 --> 00:06:00.560 property. He said if this 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.009 occurs the parking and detention fill is shown on the site 00:06:03.009 --> 00:06:03.920 plan may change as 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:08.149 you pointed out but none of the proposed deviations really 00:06:08.149 --> 00:06:09.800 requested with this ADP 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.379 would be affected so the eight foot chain length fence 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:15.120 wouldn't be the 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.139 material and the landscaping all that would remain the same 00:06:18.139 --> 00:06:19.319 the location may 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:22.600 change may change okay just to follow the boundaries of 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:23.480 wherever the parking lot. 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:30.839 Gotcha. Thanks. So again that they do have three specific 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:31.420 standards they're 00:06:31.420 --> 00:06:34.720 requesting to deviate from. Our code does not allow chain 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:36.079 link as a permitted 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.430 fence material and they are as I mentioned requesting an 00:06:38.430 --> 00:06:39.079 eight foot tall 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.639 chain link fence. It would be vinyl coated to tinted black 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:43.480 so it would be 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.300 non-reflective and that would be along the rear and side 00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:47.680 yards of the property. 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.949 The code also specifies that fences forward of the front 00:06:50.949 --> 00:06:51.839 building line 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.370 shouldn't be over three and a half feet tall. For security 00:06:54.370 --> 00:06:55.279 purposes they're 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.670 requesting a total of a six foot tall wrought iron fence 00:06:57.670 --> 00:06:58.519 along the front of 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:02.100 the property and then the code requires and if you have 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:03.480 parking in front of a 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.579 building a 15 foot wide landscaped area that includes a 00:07:06.579 --> 00:07:07.720 berm a large tree for 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:11.829 every 40 linear feet and then either a hedgerow continuous 00:07:11.829 --> 00:07:12.560 wall or zero 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.480 escaping also in that area to screen the parking because 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:16.680 they want that display 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.319 area right on I-35 for visibility purposes they were 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:21.519 requesting to not 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:23.990 provide that screening and instead they've proposed some 00:07:23.990 --> 00:07:24.600 alternative 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:29.579 locations that we'll look at. So to look at the fencing the 00:07:29.579 --> 00:07:31.279 area in yellow or 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.310 orange on the map is where the chain link fence is proposed 00:07:34.310 --> 00:07:35.199 right now so that 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:38.779 would be again eight feet tall black vinyl coated chain 00:07:38.779 --> 00:07:39.720 link they are 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:41.790 proposing to plant some trees along it to help further 00:07:41.790 --> 00:07:42.759 screen that side yard 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.180 fencing. The red area would be the wrought iron fence 00:07:46.180 --> 00:07:47.079 location so that's 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.980 six foot tall wrought iron fence and there would be gates 00:07:50.980 --> 00:07:52.240 here and here across 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.269 the access drives to allow circulation through the site and 00:07:56.269 --> 00:07:57.199 as I mentioned 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.699 they've proposed some alternatives for the landscaping so 00:07:59.699 --> 00:08:01.000 the darker green here 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:04.069 and here on the site are trees that they're proposing to 00:08:04.069 --> 00:08:05.079 plant along that 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.189 chain link fence so that the chain link isn't as visible 00:08:07.189 --> 00:08:08.160 from the right-of-way 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.189 if you're driving down the frontage road and then in the 00:08:11.189 --> 00:08:12.519 lighter green these are 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:15.589 the alternative locations so they've proposed all of the 00:08:15.589 --> 00:08:16.680 required number of 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.870 trees and shrubs just in alternative sites rather than 00:08:19.870 --> 00:08:21.000 putting it directly 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.040 here in front of their display yard as the code would 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:24.360 require they're proposing 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.329 clustering it around the entrances to the site and then 00:08:27.329 --> 00:08:28.560 four other trees that 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.370 they couldn't fit in they've proposed to move to the back 00:08:32.370 --> 00:08:35.000 of the site. So just 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.269 some of the considerations that staff looked at with this 00:08:37.269 --> 00:08:38.559 request the intent 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.370 for our fencing requirements is to ensure you know visually 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:42.120 attractive high 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:45.309 quality materials also to ensure the visibility of 00:08:45.309 --> 00:08:46.120 buildings from the right 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.539 of way being the intent for lower fencing in the front yard 00:08:49.539 --> 00:08:50.399 and then with 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.019 our parking requirements the intent there being to kind of 00:08:53.019 --> 00:08:53.960 mute those visual 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.370 effects of driving by and seeing just rows of parking in 00:08:56.370 --> 00:08:57.279 front of a building 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.600 you know to ensure that there's not glare onto the roadways 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:00.299 and that it's a 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:05.509 visually attractive look along the street. So the code 00:09:05.509 --> 00:09:07.879 provides us very 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.059 specific criteria for an ADP the first being preservation 00:09:11.059 --> 00:09:11.720 of existing 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.899 neighborhoods it's not anticipated that this would have any 00:09:14.899 --> 00:09:15.759 negative effect on 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.259 the surrounding area if you're familiar with the area there 00:09:18.259 --> 00:09:19.039 's RV dealerships 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.860 directly north of there and then various other commercial 00:09:21.860 --> 00:09:22.799 uses along the frontage 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.330 road as is typical. So this is consistent with the existing 00:09:26.330 --> 00:09:27.200 development pattern in 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.059 the area. In terms of assuring quality development the 00:09:31.059 --> 00:09:31.919 request doesn't 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:34.049 necessarily lower the design standards they're just 00:09:34.049 --> 00:09:36.120 proposing alternatives that 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.159 aren't allowed in our code that would help them enhance the 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:38.799 security and the 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:42.139 visibility of the products on site. One of the other 00:09:42.139 --> 00:09:43.759 criteria is focusing new 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.809 development to activity centers this is compatible with 00:09:46.809 --> 00:09:48.039 that goal in terms of 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.919 if this is typical highway development it is a regional 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:52.080 scale customer base 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.059 that they have so it fits with the zoning requirements for 00:09:56.059 --> 00:09:56.759 the area. 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.840 Infrastructure is in place for this development there's no 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:00.720 concerns there 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.620 that staff identified and then in terms of resulting in a 00:10:03.620 --> 00:10:04.360 high quality 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.200 development that meets the intent of those standards we 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:08.759 discussed what 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.419 they're proposing is higher quality the fencing along the 00:10:11.419 --> 00:10:12.519 frontage is non-opaque 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.000 so it won't necessarily reduce the visibility of the site 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:15.720 from the right of 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.049 way and they are proposing to screen the chain link fence 00:10:20.049 --> 00:10:21.240 by vinyl coating it and 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:25.049 providing landscaping in front of it. And then in terms of 00:10:25.049 --> 00:10:25.879 the parking lot 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:27.929 screening as I mentioned they have all of the required 00:10:27.929 --> 00:10:28.960 plantings they actually 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.220 are providing eight additional street trees beyond what is 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:33.600 required to greatly 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.480 enhance those main entry points to the site but not you 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.360 know visually detract 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.000 from the display area for their equipment. So with all that 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:43.639 being said 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.519 staff is recommending approval of their request we found 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:47.279 that it meet these 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.850 established standards in the DDC and I can try to answer 00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:50.720 any questions about 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:55.350 the site. Commissioner Smith. Thank You Chair. The further 00:10:55.350 --> 00:10:57.360 down along 35 Haley 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:01.230 like James Wood and then across on the east side with 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:02.759 Classic and one other used 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.120 car lot is it still is it RCCD over there as well? 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:13.860 35 East? Yeah 35 East but further south of Mayhill. I 00:11:13.860 --> 00:11:14.639 believe most of that is RCCD 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.240 there is some PD zoning in that area but most of those are 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.200 RCCD. So what makes 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.240 I mean the what makes it to where if we approve this we 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:24.720 wouldn't see like James 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.929 Wood or some other because it seems like they're requesting 00:11:26.929 --> 00:11:27.480 the six foot 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.960 wrought iron fence in the front purely for security 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:31.799 purposes. They're a tractor 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.990 and repair shop and get it I mean how but how much 00:11:33.990 --> 00:11:35.679 difference are they in 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.000 comparison to James Wood or to Classic or some of those 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:40.159 other car dealerships 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.389 who would have the same amount of security concerns what 00:11:43.389 --> 00:11:44.200 would what would 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.889 preclude them from coming along and asking for the exact 00:11:46.889 --> 00:11:48.519 same type of change 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.730 within the change and be able to build a new fence as well 00:11:50.730 --> 00:11:51.600 be able for security 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.309 purposes and we didn't have a just six six foot wrought 00:11:54.309 --> 00:11:55.360 iron fences all up and down 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.169 35. Certainly and in discussing it with the applicant the 00:11:58.169 --> 00:11:59.480 concern was with the 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.960 type of equipment that the typical low fencing you see at 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:02.799 car lots in the front 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.389 wouldn't necessarily be sufficient and they they found that 00:12:06.389 --> 00:12:07.080 some of the 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:10.169 neighbors in this area have taller fences that predate our 00:12:10.169 --> 00:12:11.080 current code so 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.620 they just wanted to be consistent with what the neighbors 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:14.600 have and ensure that 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.049 extra level of security based on the large equipment that 00:12:18.049 --> 00:12:19.120 they're dealing 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.190 with and why why is the current zoning only three and a 00:12:22.190 --> 00:12:23.120 half is just for a 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.519 visibility issues or what was the that is not based on 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:27.679 zoning the fence 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.340 requirement is that applies citywide unless you are an 00:12:30.340 --> 00:12:31.200 industrial or an 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.279 agricultural use so if this were an industrial site they 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:35.759 would be allowed to 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.759 have a six or eight foot fence in the front yard but got it 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:40.120 for commercial 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.309 uses it's not allowed and then the the screening the the it 00:12:43.309 --> 00:12:44.320 's like a fabric 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.940 correct like what you'd see on construction sites as well 00:12:46.940 --> 00:12:47.480 the screen 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.799 the screening within the chain link no I believe it's 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:51.000 actual vinyl coating on 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.799 the metal chain link itself okay all right so it's not it's 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:55.240 not the screen 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.960 like you see on construction sites where it's got it my I 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:58.600 was gonna ask about 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.309 maintenance on that stuff gets raggedy after a while but 00:13:01.309 --> 00:13:02.360 yeah now I understand 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.000 thank you that's all I have commissioner Rizzo thank you 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.679 chair the ADP would apply 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:14.340 to both lots correct the the ADP is specific to the site 00:13:14.340 --> 00:13:15.000 plan for this 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.639 Kubota dealership so just the five point eight acres they 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:18.600 have no plans at this 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.299 point for what would go on lot two but if lot two one of 00:13:21.299 --> 00:13:22.519 the same conditions 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:25.240 they would have to come back and get an ADP yes it is 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.000 specific to the the Kubota 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.820 sites that we're looking at tonight and maybe we can talk 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:30.720 about this in the 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.100 other room but I'm with the Commissioner Smith on this I 00:13:33.100 --> 00:13:33.919 don't I'm trying to 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.070 understand why they need a six foot fence maybe it's my 00:13:37.070 --> 00:13:37.919 ignorant ignorance 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.789 and the tractor business but I think those equipments are 00:13:40.789 --> 00:13:42.399 enclosed just like 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:47.610 a car would be so I don't I'm not understanding why they 00:13:47.610 --> 00:13:48.639 need a six foot 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.129 fence but no car dealership has ever asked for that and I 00:13:52.129 --> 00:13:52.799 don't I don't know 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.769 I'd be interested if the applicants here to understand 00:13:55.769 --> 00:13:56.840 their rationale because 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:02.049 it doesn't seem like a six foot rod iron fence is necessary 00:14:02.049 --> 00:14:02.879 and the 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.720 applicant will be here this evening at the regular session 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:06.559 to discuss this 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.600 further my understanding from them as I said it's because 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:10.559 they they're going to 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.659 have this large display area in the front with large tract 00:14:13.659 --> 00:14:14.559 ors rather than 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:17.639 smaller cars that couldn't necessarily cross a lower fence 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:18.840 I guess the concern 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.480 would be tractors and heavy equipment may be able to do 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.460 that so they were they 00:14:24.460 --> 00:14:26.940 felt that the six foot height and the wrought iron material 00:14:26.940 --> 00:14:27.799 was necessary for 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:31.379 security but I believe they could speak more to the 00:14:31.379 --> 00:14:37.679 specifics on that okay I 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:42.889 have a more general question rather than specific in the D 00:14:42.889 --> 00:14:44.620 DC update that we have 00:14:44.620 --> 00:14:49.149 coming which and maybe I have a different opinion these 00:14:49.149 --> 00:14:49.879 seem to be 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:53.820 fairly minor to me are these things that possibly with the 00:14:53.820 --> 00:14:55.200 DDC update be handled 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.659 administratively rather than these are still going to be 00:14:58.659 --> 00:14:59.679 required as ADPs 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:03.230 because of this some of the small changes trying to think 00:15:03.230 --> 00:15:04.080 back to some of 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.000 the specifics I think some of the fencing requirements we 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:06.440 're trying to 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.789 address to allow a little more flexibility there for 00:15:09.789 --> 00:15:10.919 certain uses and 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.620 then in terms of landscaping I don't think we quite have 00:15:13.620 --> 00:15:14.720 that nailed down yet 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.200 but the intent is for it to be more administrative approval 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:17.600 for you know 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.519 that were actually the way that the current the current 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:21.480 draft is written 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.169 there would not be an ADP process anymore there would be 00:15:24.169 --> 00:15:25.080 some flexibility 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.360 with with staff having some some some minor the ability to 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:29.919 do some minor 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:33.320 adjustments like 10% I think it is on certain standards 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:34.519 fence I just don't 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.860 recall off the top my head regarding this the height in the 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:39.840 front 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:53.679 anybody else thank you having that will move us to 4b and I 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:54.679 have a conflict of 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.309 interest on 4b I was in the partnership that sold this 00:15:59.309 --> 00:16:00.440 property to this current 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.259 owner and so even though it's been a number of years ago I 00:16:03.259 --> 00:16:04.159 'm going to recuse 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:10.299 myself just to make sure there's no appearance of conflict 00:16:10.299 --> 00:16:10.759 of interest a 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.799 moment turn the meeting over to Commissioner Roselle at 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:13.879 this time thank 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.120 you chair and I believe Haley is presenting this item as 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:23.879 well item 4b 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:27.799 yes so this item is a site plan for a medical office 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.759 building within the razor 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:35.000 ranch overlay district so the request is from prime Denton 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:36.039 properties for 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.879 approval of a site plan to allow a medical office building 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:40.879 on lot one block 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.929 four which is part of the razor ranch south edition to look 00:16:43.929 --> 00:16:45.039 at the site more 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.840 specifically it's outlined here in red on this this aerial 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:49.600 to give you a 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.659 reference as to where this is in relation to the convention 00:16:53.659 --> 00:16:54.679 center the 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.320 hospital next door so it's on the I-35 frontage road 00:16:58.320 --> 00:16:59.440 between Scripture and Pan 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.640 handle it's just over four acres total in terms of the 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:06.359 razor ranch overlay it's 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:11.359 on the very southern portion within the south mixed use 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.960 district so in 2011 they 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.150 adopted very specific standards for this lot you've heard 00:17:19.150 --> 00:17:20.240 me mention before that 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.369 the south mixed use district we don't have a lot of those 00:17:22.369 --> 00:17:23.279 standards adopted in 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.319 the overlay yet this lot specifically had those developed 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:27.759 in 2011 with the 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.279 intent of developing it with a similar medical use that we 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.240 're seeing tonight as 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.480 with other razor site plans what was required of them was 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.440 to provide a site 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:40.319 plan a landscape plan and building elevations at this time 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.119 so the criteria 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.460 for approval for a site plan for razor is that it 00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:46.000 substantially complies with 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.829 the concept and schematic plan that it provides for a 00:17:48.829 --> 00:17:50.319 compatible arrangement of 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.359 buildings and land uses that wouldn't adversely affect 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:53.559 neighboring properties 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.950 that it provides for safe vehicular circulation and that it 00:17:56.950 --> 00:17:58.599 complies with the 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:03.579 requirements of the overlay district so looking at their 00:18:03.579 --> 00:18:04.920 site plan you can tell 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.759 they at this point they're developing phase one of what 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:08.680 would be a larger 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.769 development so at this time we're only looking at the 00:18:10.769 --> 00:18:11.920 southern half of the slot 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:16.900 so the northern portion will be developed at some future 00:18:16.900 --> 00:18:17.799 time but what 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.099 they're proposing tonight is a 22,000 square foot medical 00:18:21.099 --> 00:18:22.519 office building it 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.180 would include 110 parking spaces which is what's required 00:18:25.180 --> 00:18:26.000 based on the square 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.230 footage and the site would have direct access from 00:18:29.230 --> 00:18:30.759 scripture Street so no no 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:32.890 direct tie-in to the frontage road all traffic would be 00:18:32.890 --> 00:18:33.680 routed to the site 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.869 through scripture it does have a tie-in to the adjoining 00:18:36.869 --> 00:18:38.000 medical facility and 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.380 then you can see where they've stubbed out to someday 00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:41.599 provide connectivity to 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:46.039 the northern half of the lot and ultimately to panhandle 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.000 looking at the 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.480 site they have a total of 22% landscaping 20% was is what's 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:52.920 required by 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.990 the overlay there isn't a specific tree canopy requirement 00:18:56.990 --> 00:18:57.799 for the overall lot 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:02.160 within the standards the parking lot did have a 22% tree 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.160 canopy and 10% 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.289 landscaping requirements so they have exceeded those as we 00:19:06.289 --> 00:19:07.319 can see here on the 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.579 plan and I wanted to point out just some features you'll 00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:12.440 notice there there are 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:15.509 no street trees directly provided along I-35 due to the 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:16.519 amount of utility 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:19.420 easements in that area they've relocated those in between 00:19:19.420 --> 00:19:20.640 the buildings which the 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.230 flexibility for that is allowed for within the overlay and 00:19:23.230 --> 00:19:24.480 then they do have 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.559 all of the required street trees here along scripture 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.480 looking at the building 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.339 elevations this top area is what would face internal to the 00:19:34.339 --> 00:19:35.720 parking lot this 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:39.299 would be the side along I-35 and then we have here the two 00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:40.839 side elevations which 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.339 you can see are kind of mirrors of each other so scripture 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:45.559 and then facing north 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.289 which would ultimately about the other building and the 00:19:48.289 --> 00:19:49.519 building is proposed to 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.920 be built primarily of Texas limestone and ephis materials 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:54.240 so fairly typical 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:58.660 and staff is recommending approval of the site plan request 00:19:58.660 --> 00:19:59.839 we found it to be 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:02.079 compatible with all the requirements of the razor range 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:03.519 overlay district and I 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.519 can stand for any questions Christian back thank you by 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:09.279 chair signage 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.380 would they be able to put signs on the back of their 00:20:12.380 --> 00:20:14.680 building that faces 35 and 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:17.869 if so what would they look like they haven't provided sign 00:20:17.869 --> 00:20:18.680 plans at this time 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.559 all signs are handled as separate permits at the time of 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:22.519 building permit 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.329 but they would be allowed to have wall signs the exact 00:20:25.329 --> 00:20:26.519 square footage I'm not 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.829 sure off the top of my head but illuminated I'm sorry 00:20:30.829 --> 00:20:31.759 illuminated signs 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:36.740 are they pliable I believe illumination is permitted okay 00:20:36.740 --> 00:20:37.400 the other thing 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.210 noticing that the only entrance into this is all scripture 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:42.680 going back to your 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:46.180 traffic analysis for the Texas oncology which is just right 00:20:46.180 --> 00:20:47.240 down the road did 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:50.339 was that taking consideration that we were also building 00:20:50.339 --> 00:20:51.480 this unit that was 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.609 going to bring in the I don't believe this site was 00:20:54.609 --> 00:20:56.000 accounted for in the Texas 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.839 oncology numbers that plat started long before this came 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:01.079 along but there has 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:03.789 been traffic studies for the overall razor ranch area that 00:21:03.789 --> 00:21:04.559 included all of 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.569 razor ranch so you know all of the necessary improvements 00:21:07.569 --> 00:21:08.519 to the perimeter 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:14.400 streets and accounted for okay Trish or Sullivan I think is 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.839 it thanks sir chair 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.420 as an add-on to a commissioner back I guess I was a similar 00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:21.319 question is that 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:26.559 we've got a thousand thirty four vehicle trips on oncology 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:27.960 coming on to 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:32.220 scripture and then we have only one plate one entrance and 00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:33.400 exit from this 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:38.720 location on the scripture and driving on scripture quite 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:40.720 often for one of a 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:45.920 reason there's two lanes on the eastbound side and one lane 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:46.640 coming on to 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.220 the service road which means those two sides are going to 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:52.200 generate a thousand 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.420 two thousand three thousand cars a day and they're going to 00:21:55.420 --> 00:21:56.279 be going on to a 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:01.559 one lane street to then get onto the service road to go 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:03.440 wherever they're 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:09.359 going to go from there has I mean is there no other I mean 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:09.839 what's what's 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:14.650 their other plan to get all those cars out of that area for 00:22:14.650 --> 00:22:15.960 the time being the 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.930 traffic would be on scripture the ultimate goal is that 00:22:18.930 --> 00:22:19.920 they would have a 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.299 you know what like we saw on their site plan they are stub 00:22:22.299 --> 00:22:23.240 bing out to the north 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.819 so eventually this lot will have access via panhandle and 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:27.920 scripture when the 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:31.420 northern portion develops at this time this site would have 00:22:31.420 --> 00:22:32.480 the one driveway 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:35.809 you know somewhere in this area and then they're also 00:22:35.809 --> 00:22:37.519 connecting to this existing 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:40.039 facility here so there there would be cross connectivity 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:41.880 between the sites that 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.759 would offer another means in and out of the parking lot if 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.559 that were a concern 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:50.369 but scripture for the time being would be the only access 00:22:50.369 --> 00:22:51.720 to the site until that 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:57.180 northern half develops thank you pressure Sanchez you 00:22:57.180 --> 00:22:58.519 mentioned that the 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.630 parking parking is based on the number of the square 00:23:01.630 --> 00:23:03.240 footage is that for a 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.680 medical facility yes okay specific for mad yeah leave a 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:08.720 parking ratio I believe 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.279 it's a one to two hundred square feet for medical offices 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:11.960 oh it's what's 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:16.599 required so they're right at that number 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:25.759 any other questions for Haley thank you very much 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:59.599 would be possible to call chair back in item 5a that public 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:00.400 height that's being 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.420 withdrawn from staff so we won't that'll come back at a 00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:04.039 later time it'll be 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:16.950 re-advertised the access bank project is withdrawn so that 00:24:16.950 --> 00:24:19.119 we reposted it'll be 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:24.329 completely reposted renoticed react re-advertised okay 00:24:24.329 --> 00:24:26.759 perfect and just to 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.769 give you there was an issue with I think most most are 00:24:29.769 --> 00:24:31.000 probably aware there was 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.329 an issue with the signposting so as a result that item is 00:24:34.329 --> 00:24:35.559 being withdrawn from 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:39.559 staff and we'll be requiring them to just re-notice repost 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:41.279 properly in the 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.490 interim were adjusted some administrative policies with 00:24:44.490 --> 00:24:44.880 respect to 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.089 signposting technically it's not a code requirement but it 00:24:48.089 --> 00:24:49.480 has been a directive 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:54.640 from City Council so we'll clarify a few items moving 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:54.640 forward 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.509 Commissioner Ellis thank you vice-chair we don't have to do 00:24:59.509 --> 00:25:00.319 anything though this 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:05.069 is just going to be pulled from our meeting today but we're 00:25:05.069 --> 00:25:05.519 pulling with 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:10.230 that we can move on to agenda item 5b chair I give it back 00:25:10.230 --> 00:25:11.519 to you thank you 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:20.920 that we will move on to 5b and ask for Cindy Jackson for 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:22.279 presentation thank you 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:30.279 chairman commissioners c17 - 0 0 3 3 is a request to rezone 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.000 0.3 acres well it's 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.119 not really a rezoning is to assign an initial zoning to 0.3 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.720 acres on to see em 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:45.460 see mg you can see the site is located here along old Alton 00:25:45.460 --> 00:25:46.680 Road just south of 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:54.390 Teasley current zoning is already 5x the site was recently 00:25:54.390 --> 00:25:55.640 annexed into the city 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.220 and it's currently got a holding zoning designation of 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:01.480 already 5x and the 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:07.359 proposed zoning is CMG which is concurrent with the 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.519 property to the 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:14.299 north I'd like to mention that this lot the subject lot and 00:26:14.299 --> 00:26:15.279 the property to the 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.289 north are all one lot for some reason they were plotted 00:26:18.289 --> 00:26:19.480 with part in the city 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:24.759 and part in the county once the app if this is rezoned the 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:25.759 applicant plans to 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.940 get the site plan approved and construct a vehicle repair 00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.119 facility on the site 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.490 the site has a future land use designation of community 00:26:38.490 --> 00:26:40.519 mixed use the 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:45.500 types and uses the types and scale of uses permitted within 00:26:45.500 --> 00:26:46.599 the CMG district 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.500 conforms to the goals of the community mixed use 00:26:49.500 --> 00:26:52.519 designation the zoning also 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.369 conforms to the industrial commerce area and rural areas 00:26:56.369 --> 00:26:57.960 that is surrounding it 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:01.490 we've got some moderate residential further up the street 00:27:01.490 --> 00:27:04.279 however this along 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:12.000 old Alton Road is our site right here the requested CMDG 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:13.440 district would be a 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.559 continuation of the existing CMG district the use is 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.119 permitted in the CMG 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.130 district would be consistent with the uses that are exist 00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:22.079 in the area today 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:27.519 which I include vehicle repair which is across the street 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:29.839 come over here in the 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:36.279 ETJ offices to the south self storage to the east and some 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:37.440 institutional uses 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:43.240 Geier high school as well as a there over here is a 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.039 electrical transformer 00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:53.930 site substation the site will take access from old Alton 00:27:53.930 --> 00:27:55.279 Road currently old 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:01.690 Alton Road is designated as a future secondary arterial 00:28:01.690 --> 00:28:04.240 roadway Teasley is a 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.509 primary arterial roadway the subject site also has water 00:28:08.509 --> 00:28:09.839 and sewer available 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.450 which you can see from these very thin blue and red lines 00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:14.960 the blue is water and 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:23.309 the red is sewer staff sent out notifications on March 25th 00:28:23.309 --> 00:28:24.839 we sent out 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:30.519 five via certified mail and 11 courtesy notices so far we 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.240 have not received any 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.759 response to those notices a sign was posted on the site I 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:37.759 did verify that 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:43.549 earlier today staff recommends approval of this request as 00:28:43.549 --> 00:28:45.680 the requested zoning 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.299 is consistent with the goals and objectives of the Denton 00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:49.559 plan 2030 and 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.619 the CMG is compatible with the surrounded property in terms 00:28:53.619 --> 00:28:55.519 of permitted uses that 00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:00.599 concludes my presentation I'll answer any questions 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.180 Commissioner Smith thank you chair whenever we did this we 00:29:04.180 --> 00:29:04.880 proved the 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.859 northern part of this of this plot we proved it back in 00:29:08.859 --> 00:29:10.400 October why wasn't it 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.740 included in the rezoning at that point in time is because 00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:14.319 they only do in the 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:20.000 city okay we the annexation happened in yesterday it final 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:29.079 ized yesterday if I 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.130 could just add the annexation we went through altogether I 00:29:32.130 --> 00:29:34.039 think five between 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.680 public hearings public meetings five different meetings for 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.640 a small piece of 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.980 property but exactly those are the rules thank you for your 00:29:42.980 --> 00:29:44.559 hard work it started 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:51.269 in February cool anything else Commissioner Sanchez on the 00:29:51.269 --> 00:29:51.680 north side 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.490 that's gonna be a garage right there that's what they're 00:29:55.490 --> 00:29:56.640 working on and then 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.700 it's just gonna be an extension yes this is all gonna be 00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:01.200 one side and it's all 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:06.400 gonna be a garage that's correct which will have access off 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.240 of old Alton right 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:15.359 about here okay Commissioner Ellis thank you chair so when 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.200 they combine the two 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.619 still only access off old Alton there that's for the whole 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:21.000 development okay 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.740 thanks this this looks like a lot here but what it actually 00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:26.799 is it's right of 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:37.599 wife or Teasley Commissioner Beck I just like a publicly 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:38.920 apologize to the staff 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.019 for sending up a false red flag about the sign on that my 00:30:42.019 --> 00:30:42.940 bad I was looking on 00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:48.150 the wrong side of the road so I sincerely apologize for 00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:49.319 that thank you 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:58.140 just as a note looks like the current zoning map hasn't 00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:00.000 been updated for the 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.329 site to the north that we've rezoned I think that's on LCMG 00:31:04.329 --> 00:31:05.440 also correct yeah I 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:07.920 don't think I don't think it has been updated quite yet 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.400 okay any other 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:17.759 questions for staff on this okay thank you Cindy thank you 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:28.519 that will move us to Adam see Haley 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:51.609 so this is a proposed amendment to the DVC to remove 00:31:51.609 --> 00:31:58.680 limitation 34 so the 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.240 request before you as I mentioned is to remove limitation 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:02.400 34 from sub chapter 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:06.789 5 our zoning districts and limitations this limitation only 00:32:06.789 --> 00:32:07.839 applies to the 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.680 distribution center warehouse and warehouse retail uses 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:11.240 within our 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:11.240 employment center districts so a little bit of background 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:17.400 this was taken to City 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:17.400 Council as a work session item and they recommended that we 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.519 bring it forward 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.180 prior to the overall code update so what we're proposing is 00:32:25.180 --> 00:32:26.559 to remove limitation 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:31.240 34 entirely from the code what limitation 34 states is that 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:31.440 the 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.400 warehouse and distribution center uses are permitted with 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.279 no more than 150,000 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.089 gross square feet and eight truck docks it further stip 00:32:39.089 --> 00:32:40.259 ulates that all of the 00:32:40.259 --> 00:32:42.289 docks and bays shall be to the rear or side of the 00:32:42.289 --> 00:32:43.519 structure not visible from 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.519 the street and that buffering standards apply to any 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:47.920 outdoor storage as well as 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.559 the loading docks just to give you a point of reference for 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:52.880 150,000 square 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:56.690 feet equates to this is the Walmart at razor ranch it's 00:32:56.690 --> 00:32:58.240 just over that size and 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.680 has six truck docks on it so we're talking about this 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:01.640 applying to something 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.200 roughly the size of a Walmart or larger just a little bit 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:07.440 of background so 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.559 limitation 34 has been in the code since it was adopted in 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.920 2002 in 2012 we 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.940 changed some of the warehouse and distribution center type 00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:18.880 uses so prior 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.599 to this we had wholesale storage and distribution and 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.000 distribution centers as 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.000 separate uses and l34 only applied to the wholesale storage 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.160 use within the ECI 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.279 district both of those uses were completely removed in 2012 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:33.779 and we got 00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:36.589 our current uses which is distribution center slash 00:33:36.589 --> 00:33:37.920 warehouse general and 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.440 warehouse retail and then we extended the applicability of 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.599 limitation 34 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.750 to apply to both of those uses within ECI and then to 00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:48.240 retail warehouses within 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:54.660 ECC so we did a little bit of internal analysis just to see 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:55.839 how much property 00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.819 this would affect within the ECI zoning district if you run 00:34:00.819 --> 00:34:02.640 just some basic math 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.740 on a site to see what would it take to fit a hundred and 00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:05.680 fifty thousand square 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.949 foot building allowing for parking at a rate of one to one 00:34:08.949 --> 00:34:10.079 thousand and then 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.739 accounting for the lot coverage with an ECI which is a 00:34:12.739 --> 00:34:14.699 maximum of 85% what we 00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:18.630 find is that you need a site that's a minimum of 5.2 acres 00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:19.920 to fit a structure 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.559 that size and adequately provide for parking of it so just 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:24.480 looking at our map 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.300 all it's a little hard to see but all of the sites that are 00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:27.960 in the black 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.170 outlining with the hatch marks on them are the sites that 00:34:30.170 --> 00:34:31.000 that would actually 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.829 fit so we're not talking about all that much property that 00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:35.679 this would change 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.869 anything for within the ECI district I believe the total 00:34:38.869 --> 00:34:40.400 was just over 400 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:46.309 acres and it was 23 properties across the city and they're 00:34:46.309 --> 00:34:47.500 running along that 00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:51.139 same thought process within the ECC district to see what 00:34:51.139 --> 00:34:52.239 size of property 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.639 you would have to have to actually be able to fit 150,000 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:56.920 square feet we found 00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.730 your minimum lot size would be 5.5 acres so that applied to 00:35:00.730 --> 00:35:02.199 about 150 acres total 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:08.309 in the city that was limited to these six properties some 00:35:08.309 --> 00:35:10.079 further considerations 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.010 we did do a comparison of several neighboring cities you 00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:13.880 can see the list 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.460 here we found none of them had anything even remotely 00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:19.519 similar to this that in 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.619 terms of limitations on warehouses or distribution centers 00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:23.519 within McKinney 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.920 within their town center they limit warehouses to 20,000 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:27.599 square feet other 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.150 than that there are no limitations and then within Carroll 00:35:31.150 --> 00:35:32.360 ton warehouses are 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.909 limited to being an accessory used within their corporate 00:35:34.909 --> 00:35:35.480 commercial 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.630 district which is intended to be more for office office 00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:39.579 campuses but you could 00:35:39.579 --> 00:35:44.079 have an accessory warehouse at those facilities further 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.440 looking at what we're 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.659 permit currently without limitation in our ECC and ECI 00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:49.639 districts light 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.980 manufacturing is permitted by right no limitations on size 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:53.920 or the number of 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.150 base that you can have at a facility if you're 00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:57.760 manufacturing craft alcohol 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.880 production also permitted by right so if you had a site 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:01.960 that was actually 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.900 producing alcohol or another product they could have as 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:06.119 many bays and as much 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.150 square footage as they wanted but if it's solely a 00:36:08.150 --> 00:36:09.039 distribution center 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.409 that's where our limitations would currently apply and just 00:36:12.409 --> 00:36:13.239 in speaking with 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.820 our economic development team they do see a lot of requests 00:36:16.820 --> 00:36:17.679 for property where 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.570 you could put a large warehouse and the average minimum 00:36:20.570 --> 00:36:21.440 size that these 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.320 corporations are looking for is 200 to 300 thousand square 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:25.639 feet of building so 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:29.730 currently we limit greatly where those facilities could go 00:36:29.730 --> 00:36:31.639 in the city with all 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.449 that being said staff is recommending removing l34 from all 00:36:35.449 --> 00:36:36.239 of the employment 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.280 center districts as we've discussed here and I'd be happy 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:39.039 to answer any other 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:43.619 questions Commissioner Beck thank you chair just to satisfy 00:36:43.619 --> 00:36:44.880 my own curiosity I 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.530 assume Walmart got an exception to the ruling when they 00:36:48.530 --> 00:36:49.400 built that as what a 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.880 part of the razor-range overlay Walmart is actually just 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:53.960 considered retail so 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.150 this limitation didn't apply I was just using that for a 00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:57.119 size comparison to let 00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.500 you know what type of or size of facility that we were 00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:02.679 looking at thanks 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:13.650 any other questions for Haley okay thank you that will run 00:37:13.650 --> 00:37:16.199 us through our agenda 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:21.539 for this evening and it will take us to back in our work 00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:23.920 session to receive our 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.980 work session report and I don't know which withers okay 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:33.840 good evening chair 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.880 commissioners Scott McDonald director of development 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.000 services just want to give 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.760 you a brief update on the development code review committee 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.159 took some action 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.889 at City Council last night there's been a little bit of 00:37:47.889 --> 00:37:48.960 confusion as to the 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:53.449 makeup and how it is that the the group is going to 00:37:53.449 --> 00:37:56.599 function so through a 00:37:56.599 --> 00:38:00.559 resolution with council the committee is comprised of a 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.039 total of six members 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.619 three members which are council or considered the voting 00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:06.800 members two of 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:11.090 those council members make a quorum the council members 00:38:11.090 --> 00:38:13.199 will serve as chair vice 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.519 chair three P&Z members are ex officios and part of that 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.440 committee ultimately 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:23.489 some of that conversation and just as a heads up on this 00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:25.280 that there won't be a 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.969 great deal of voting that will take place this is going to 00:38:27.969 --> 00:38:29.519 be more gathering 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:35.349 input seeking input from both P&Z and council this 00:38:35.349 --> 00:38:37.639 committee also will have a 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:43.809 sunset date of December of 2018 and council has the option 00:38:43.809 --> 00:38:45.559 of of course 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.769 changing that but that's that's the way that the resolution 00:38:50.769 --> 00:38:52.280 is set it is also 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.489 the intent that staff will come back before this group and 00:38:57.489 --> 00:38:59.480 report what status 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:03.639 were the were the committee the work group is steps that 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:04.519 have been achieved 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.519 and and kind of address what the committee's concerns are 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:10.440 it is our intent 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:17.360 to walk through our we have the as you know three modules 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:18.880 and we'll be 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:22.050 presenting before this group next week with module three 00:39:22.050 --> 00:39:23.320 which are their final 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.199 sub chapters but the subcommittee is going to be walking 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:27.199 through it as if it 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.469 is the development code beginning with sub chapter one and 00:39:31.469 --> 00:39:32.519 then we'll just work 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.480 through at a pace that's comfortable for the subcommittee 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.079 and if you have any 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.630 questions as far as organizational Ron is going to bring 00:39:40.630 --> 00:39:41.599 you just a little bit 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.309 of an update of it and kind of where we're at and where we 00:39:44.309 --> 00:39:46.000 're going the next 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:50.550 meeting is on next Wednesday for the subcommittee and that 00:39:50.550 --> 00:39:51.400 will be an 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.630 organizational meeting where it is that will set the chair 00:39:54.630 --> 00:39:57.239 vice chair capture 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.119 the minutes from previous meetings and ultimately work on 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:02.440 really those goals 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.699 and it'll be an overview while clearing is here of the 00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:07.199 contents of module three 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.639 and answer any questions that they have 00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:15.929 Commissioner Roselle thank you with with some of the 00:40:15.929 --> 00:40:17.280 committee members rolling 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.360 off council do you have an update of what three council 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:20.159 members are on that 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.869 committee thank you yes I intended to to bring that as well 00:40:23.869 --> 00:40:26.360 so councilperson 00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:30.849 Sarah Baguier ultimately is coming off and council 00:40:30.849 --> 00:40:34.039 appointed mayor Watts to to 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:39.239 be that third member so the members then in turn will be Ke 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.039 ely Briggs John 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:49.800 Ryan thank you and Chris Watts thank you 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.599 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair Scott I know this the 00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:57.400 draft resolution 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.769 changed because I read it and then it was different this 00:41:00.769 --> 00:41:01.960 morning so can you 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.170 walk me through that discussion I'm just trying to figure 00:41:04.170 --> 00:41:05.039 out exactly what our 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.920 role is now just because at one point it was going to be a 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:09.920 six-person committee 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.159 and it kind of still is sort of not really because you got 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.039 a quorum really 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.880 with two of three council people so will you just walk me 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.079 through that a little 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:24.289 bit yes and ultimately discuss this in work session and 00:41:24.289 --> 00:41:26.480 there was some some 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.360 dialogue that went back and forth with council and it was 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.920 councils intent that 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.119 because the original committee that was created and I don't 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.199 recall what year was 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.440 three council persons and they wanted to keep it in that in 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.960 that context but they 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:48.170 also did value the input of P&Z so it was important to keep 00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:48.880 the three members 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:53.300 the resolution then just makes that committee a committee 00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:54.440 of six which is 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.250 three of the council three of the P&Z P&Z acting in an ex 00:41:58.250 --> 00:41:59.639 officio capacity I 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.460 can tell you for me personally that it is my intent that 00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:05.079 really it's the voices 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.150 that I hear in the differing opinions as to how it is that 00:42:08.150 --> 00:42:09.360 we move forward and 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.469 what we do with that ultimately council has the final 00:42:12.469 --> 00:42:14.159 decision on how it is that 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.969 we adopt and what we adopt and I and I really don't think 00:42:17.969 --> 00:42:19.159 that there will be 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.630 too many opportunities that we're really gonna have to vote 00:42:22.630 --> 00:42:23.440 really it's gonna be 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:26.829 a recommendation of the committee to move what we're 00:42:26.829 --> 00:42:28.519 proposing forward if that 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:33.369 helps what does but what we're proposing for will be voted 00:42:33.369 --> 00:42:34.539 on by the three 00:42:34.539 --> 00:42:38.679 council people correct if if a vote is necessary that would 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:39.920 be how the voting 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.309 would take place would ultimately be the three council 00:42:43.309 --> 00:42:46.719 people correct right okay 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.730 only question I would have on the the meetings that you're 00:42:51.730 --> 00:42:53.320 talking about are 00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.659 those televised or live stream where we can watch those or 00:42:57.659 --> 00:42:58.719 do you have to 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.300 actually come and attend them you'd have to come and attend 00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:02.679 them they're they're 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.250 open to the public of course they're posted and I think we 00:43:06.250 --> 00:43:07.760 'll have a regular a 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.760 regularly scheduled time that that we're gonna work to do 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.559 day and time okay 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.900 and you know then Ron will give you a brief update of where 00:43:19.900 --> 00:43:21.000 we're at and where 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.239 we're going okay thank you Scott thank you 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.309 thank you chair members of the Commission I'll try to make 00:43:30.309 --> 00:43:31.320 it brief our 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.719 meeting last Friday was two hours so I don't plan on taking 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.719 two hours but we'll 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.679 go through this really quickly my presentation real quick 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.880 so as Scott said we met with the Advisory Committee there's 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:57.400 really high 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.699 level went over the purpose of the DEN development code 00:44:00.699 --> 00:44:02.000 update of course our 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.360 DEN plan 2030 to be consistent with that but also 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:06.719 consistent with the vision of 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:11.079 the DEN plan 2030 we are looking at updating our code not 00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:12.800 only in the the 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:18.010 zoning districts but also the development standards as well 00:44:18.010 --> 00:44:18.920 the 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:22.730 chapters that we will get into a little more into detail 00:44:22.730 --> 00:44:24.679 later are here shown 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.230 here they are eight total sub chapters we're going from 24 00:44:29.230 --> 00:44:31.320 to 8 again we we 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.590 went through with Clary on last the 28 that is with 00:44:35.590 --> 00:44:38.079 chapters 1 & 2 we will go 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:45.519 through 6 7 & 8 next Wednesday I won't go through each one 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:46.519 of this but again 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.730 sub chapter 1 is general provisions sub chapter 2 is 00:44:49.730 --> 00:44:50.760 administration and 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:55.090 procedures and again you heard that again from Clary on a 00:44:55.090 --> 00:44:56.480 couple weeks ago 00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:01.139 sub chapter 3 our zoning district and sub chapter 4 overlay 00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:02.440 districts is 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.780 important these are important sub chapters this is where we 00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:06.639 see a lot of 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:11.130 our zoning cases come through and this is where everything 00:45:11.130 --> 00:45:12.480 is put in for 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:18.239 example the sub chapter 3 we are going from 28 I'm sorry 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:19.920 yes 28 zoning 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.730 districts currently down to 14 so there's going to be a lot 00:45:23.730 --> 00:45:24.679 of consolidation 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:31.050 elimination revised and also new zoning districts as well 00:45:31.050 --> 00:45:32.480 included in that sub 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.480 chapters are dimensional standards the maximum height 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.039 maximum lot coverage the 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:44.250 minimum setbacks and minimum lot area sub chapter 4 will 00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:45.800 contain our overlay 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.900 and historic districts none of those will change they will 00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:50.320 carry forward and move 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:56.800 over to this sub chapter sub chapter 5 is our use 00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.760 regulations this is where we 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.949 look at what uses are permitted in each zoning district it 00:46:01.949 --> 00:46:03.880 will advise us as to 00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:09.090 if it's permitted by right by SUP or permitted by a use 00:46:09.090 --> 00:46:11.440 specific standard now 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.940 you specific standard is it's basically our limitations so 00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:15.800 what you see is 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.199 limitations they're just renaming it as you specific 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.880 standards one big thing 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:27.090 that is not included in this sub chapter moving forward the 00:46:27.090 --> 00:46:28.719 mixed use residential 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.900 overlay protection will no longer be included in that and 00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:32.920 the hope is that 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.650 the development standards as proposed will address 00:46:35.650 --> 00:46:38.440 compatibility moving forward 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.449 included in this sub chapter are our accessory uses and 00:46:42.449 --> 00:46:44.159 structures temporary 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:50.059 uses our wireless telecommunication and gas well standards 00:46:50.059 --> 00:46:53.599 as well some of those 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.860 are ready sub chapter 6 is our development standards this 00:46:57.860 --> 00:46:58.599 is the the 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:02.179 largest sub chapter it contains a number of sections that 00:47:02.179 --> 00:47:02.960 are currently 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.309 different sub chapters in our current code as you can see 00:47:06.309 --> 00:47:08.079 here this is what it 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.269 will include from land disturbing activities only through 00:47:11.269 --> 00:47:11.760 parking 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.579 buildings and site design down to water and wastewater 00:47:15.579 --> 00:47:21.039 standards sub chapter 7 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.880 is our subdivision regulations and that includes our plat 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:24.880 ting requirements 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.079 public improvements requirements more on how subdivisions 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.559 are handled and yes 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.199 that's true definitions we know a definition this is 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:37.719 important right 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.349 because a lot of times we want to make sure we understand 00:47:40.349 --> 00:47:41.239 what the use is or 00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:45.139 what the term is and that's where the sub chapter 8 will 00:47:45.139 --> 00:47:46.360 contain all of our 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.039 definitions so that being said we've got a lot to bring 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.400 forward all of the public 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:58.659 drafts are online as we speak that's all of those sub 00:47:58.659 --> 00:48:00.460 chapters 1 through 8 so 00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:05.019 anybody that's watching please go to den code 2030 comm you 00:48:05.019 --> 00:48:05.800 can view those 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.869 sub chapters and you can make comments online you can also 00:48:09.869 --> 00:48:11.239 call or provide us 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:14.429 an email or send us an email that is with any comments 00:48:14.429 --> 00:48:16.440 moving forward we've 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.650 already gone through the module 1 we've done module 2 last 00:48:21.650 --> 00:48:23.039 month we are going to 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:26.429 be doing module 3 next week we see here this is the 00:48:26.429 --> 00:48:28.679 schedule as clarion will be 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.199 visiting us next week we will start with a work session 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:33.480 with council and go 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:37.599 through these meetings and end it with a public open house 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.119 which will be held on 00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:44.699 Wednesday from 6 to 8 at the den that should say Civic 00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:45.840 Center I should change 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.820 that that's Civic Center on April 10th which was yesterday 00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:52.400 our zoning map went 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:58.440 online as well so our proposed only map was that is drafted 00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.559 was put online so 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:03.429 those folks that are able to can also view that zoning map 00:49:03.429 --> 00:49:05.159 on our website den 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:11.679 code 2030 comm to help answer questions and address any 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:13.659 concerns or issues we 00:49:13.659 --> 00:49:17.889 have put together a series of public open houses that you 00:49:17.889 --> 00:49:20.039 see here the first 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.909 one will start on April 23rd at the Fred Moore High School 00:49:23.909 --> 00:49:25.260 from 6 to 8 we will 00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:29.670 have staff available to answer questions we've got we had a 00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:31.679 total of seven the 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.000 committee suggested that we add more at any public 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.199 libraries to assist or to 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:41.530 provide those that are able to go to a library through 00:49:41.530 --> 00:49:43.199 public transit it's a 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:47.090 more of a central or public place that they can make it to 00:49:47.090 --> 00:49:48.480 so we are proposing 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.059 three additional workshops or a public open space open 00:49:52.059 --> 00:49:54.199 houses that is at the 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.690 three libraries that we have again those dates have not yet 00:49:57.690 --> 00:49:58.920 been determined but 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.519 we will schedule those as soon as possible and post it 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.119 online as well 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:09.889 these dates also were included in a postcard that was sent 00:50:09.889 --> 00:50:11.000 out I believe it 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:14.949 was last week so every property owner should have received 00:50:14.949 --> 00:50:16.079 a postcard with 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.179 these public open house dates and times so if they didn't 00:50:20.179 --> 00:50:21.199 catch it here 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.780 hopefully they will catch it when they get their postcard 00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:25.880 in their mail they 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:31.690 should have received it by either today or tomorrow there's 00:50:31.690 --> 00:50:33.119 a postcard I failed 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.489 to notice that that was the next slide so this is the post 00:50:35.489 --> 00:50:36.360 card that went out 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.550 and as you can see hard to see maybe on my screen but the 00:50:39.550 --> 00:50:41.000 the dates that I just 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:46.210 went over the seven are included with the the postcard 00:50:46.210 --> 00:50:47.440 again we are trying to 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.840 direct post folks to the website again a lot of information 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:51.920 is on the website 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:58.349 including the zoning map so again denco 2030 comm so we we 00:50:58.349 --> 00:50:59.400 send those to 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.699 property owners but we also know that citizens residents 00:51:02.699 --> 00:51:03.679 that don't own 00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:07.110 property are also interested so we are trying to make sure 00:51:07.110 --> 00:51:08.119 that we get them 00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:12.090 involved and engaged with this process these are the list 00:51:12.090 --> 00:51:13.360 that you see up here 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.750 our our communication plan to get the word out we we also 00:51:17.750 --> 00:51:18.920 rely on the planning 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.250 zoning Commission to help spread that word so any 00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:22.599 information that you can or 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:26.940 any feedback or any ways that we can do better please let 00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:28.480 us know but we also 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.659 encourage you to help spread that word about what's going 00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:32.880 on with the den code 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:38.280 update we have a dedicated website I probably said it three 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:39.440 times already but 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:45.579 den code 2030 comm is where everything is being put in we 00:51:45.579 --> 00:51:47.320 've got links to all 00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:51.420 of the sub chapters as well as the zoning map and any other 00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:52.280 information 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:59.329 that is relevant to this process when we're at the public 00:51:59.329 --> 00:52:01.000 open houses we hope 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.030 that there are a lot of people there that have questions we 00:52:04.030 --> 00:52:04.880 hopefully can 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.239 answer them but if we cannot we will take their comments 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:10.639 write it down and 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.849 document it and so when we start to revise our draft we we 00:52:15.849 --> 00:52:17.159 can refer back 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.969 to these common cards so at those public open houses we'll 00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:22.119 have a fair number of 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.059 these comic cards available so that people can fill out and 00:52:25.059 --> 00:52:25.840 make sure that 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:35.320 they provide it back to us so this next few slides is 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.639 regarding the zoning map 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.500 update I can go through it it's a fairly lengthy discussion 00:52:42.500 --> 00:52:43.760 I don't know chair if 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:48.159 you want to take a break there's food available and then we 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:48.760 can go through this 00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.260 so we don't have to break the presentation that's up to y' 00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:52.960 all it'd be 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:58.050 a great suggestion so why don't we call a recess at 553 and 00:52:58.050 --> 00:52:59.159 we'll try to get back by 6. 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:15.880 Going to reopen our work session at 6.01 and let Ron go 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:16.840 ahead and continue 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.480 this presentation. Great thank you chair members of the 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.280 commission I felt you 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.809 emphasize this one important change that's being proposed 00:53:26.809 --> 00:53:28.079 with the den code 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:32.340 update and that with the new 14 zoning districts I 00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:33.480 mentioned that we have 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:41.440 minimum lot areas minimum setbacks we also have maximum 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:42.800 maximum heights and 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:47.159 maximum lock coverage that being said the proposal is we 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:48.440 will no longer as 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.360 proposed have any density requirements so there will be no 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.119 density so you're for 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.409 example in our four four units per acre none of that it 00:53:58.409 --> 00:53:59.599 will be based on the 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.519 development regulations parking lot coverage landscaping 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.519 that will set the 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.329 development for that property so I hope that I know that 00:54:10.329 --> 00:54:11.420 was a big one for me 00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:16.630 too so I wanted to make sure that I got that through. 00:54:16.630 --> 00:54:17.559 Commissioner back. Thank you 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.469 chair. I appreciate you mentioned it Ron I'd encourage Ron 00:54:20.469 --> 00:54:21.119 to bring that out 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.719 because that was kind of a scary thing for us I think the 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:25.719 concern was by 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.949 removing that limitation there we've got to rely on lot 00:54:29.949 --> 00:54:31.840 coverage and and building 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.260 height stuff like that so the concern was you know could 00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:35.239 they build them higher 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.260 and put more in there because it could build them higher so 00:54:38.260 --> 00:54:38.960 that's just 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.789 something you know we need to as a commission need to kind 00:54:43.789 --> 00:54:44.559 of watch as we 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.380 move along there that one that one I think bothered a 00:54:47.380 --> 00:54:48.880 couple people. That was 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.079 a big one so I apologize I went through that I didn't mean 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:54.280 to but I want to 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.760 make sure that that was clear that we are proposing as it 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.239 is no density 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:08.690 maximums or requirements. Ron if I could just add one one 00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:11.199 notion within the each 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.780 zoning new zoning district there are you know there are the 00:55:14.780 --> 00:55:15.639 standards the setback 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.280 requirements we are looking at adjusting some some of those 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:20.440 where some might be a 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:26.199 six foot side setback they may be reduced to five given the 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:27.440 majority of 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:31.360 the NR4 lots that we have now and so I just wanted to point 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:32.039 that out because we 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.829 haven't we haven't adjusted that yet from from module one 00:55:35.829 --> 00:55:36.960 so that'll be taken 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.460 care of after module three when we do the complete draft so 00:55:39.460 --> 00:55:40.199 just wanted to 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.820 point that out in case somebody sees that and thinks that 00:55:42.820 --> 00:55:43.760 their property now 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.250 will be non-conforming we we're still looking at adjusting 00:55:47.250 --> 00:55:48.840 that. When will that 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.320 adjustment come out you say? With the public draft of the 00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.880 entire code. That's set for 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:58.280 June, July so as soon as we get comments from these sets of 00:55:58.280 --> 00:55:59.800 public drafts the 00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.760 consultants will go back and make necessary revisions and 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:03.599 then bring back 00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:06.840 a draft that we can present back to the Commission and to 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:07.800 the rest of the 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:13.239 public. Thank you. Again yeah just to add to what Richard 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:14.599 said in addition to those 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:19.809 zoning dimensional standards also the use standards or use 00:56:19.809 --> 00:56:20.639 table we're also 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.969 looking at updating as well so there there will be some 00:56:22.969 --> 00:56:23.639 changes and we 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.659 anticipate additional input as we get through this process 00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:28.679 so a lot of a lot 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:32.480 of input a lot of revisions but hopefully we can get to 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:33.880 approve of a 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:39.159 development code update. Okay so next important topic is 00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:41.639 zoning. Zoning map. 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:46.920 The zoning map as you know we has to be updated because we 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:48.599 have new zoning 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:53.309 districts we're going from 28 to 14 and those 14 don't 00:56:53.309 --> 00:56:54.880 share the same name or 00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.840 the same you know some of them don't share the same 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.519 intensity or density so 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.079 there are going to be some properties that are going to be 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:04.000 changed our hope is 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.800 that we can just convert convert that is those zoning 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:09.199 districts that we have now 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:14.389 to a zoning district that is being proposed and I've got a 00:57:14.389 --> 00:57:15.280 table or a chart 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.260 that shows how that's going to be done but we've went 00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.039 through the a process 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.489 it's it's not it wasn't a simple process but I want to make 00:57:23.489 --> 00:57:24.800 sure that you all 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.320 understand it it is still a draft in that we're going to 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:29.440 need to update it but 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:34.230 this is our first brush of trying to make a zoning map out 00:57:34.230 --> 00:57:35.760 of the new zoning 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.340 district so I won't go through this list because I've got a 00:57:39.340 --> 00:57:40.440 slide for each of 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:45.389 these criteria a total of 16 so I'll go ahead and start 00:57:45.389 --> 00:57:46.480 with the first one of 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.780 course we started off with the DIM plan 2030 looked at the 00:57:49.780 --> 00:57:50.639 goals and object 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:55.159 objectives as it relates to a lane use and zoning the big 00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:55.960 one there is our 00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:58.960 community vision statement we we want to make sure that 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.079 that's the focus that's 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.480 what the citizens approved back in 2015 and we want to make 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.599 sure it's consistent 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:12.139 with the vision of the city after the the the vision and 00:58:12.139 --> 00:58:13.639 the the goals and 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.760 objectives we looked at the future land use map that you 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.440 see here and you often 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:22.440 hear from us from staff these future land use designations 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:23.519 from rural areas 00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.099 down to business innovation all the way through you know 00:58:27.099 --> 00:58:28.039 neighborhood 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:32.619 compatibility areas these are the future land use design 00:58:32.619 --> 00:58:34.599 ations as shown on our 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:38.480 future land use map so here's the chart that I was 00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.360 referring to earlier on the 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:45.730 left is the future land use designation in our DIM plan 00:58:45.730 --> 00:58:49.719 2030 to the right is 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.619 the the middle column is the current zoning districts and 00:58:53.619 --> 00:58:54.840 this is how we see 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.840 these zoning districts where they fall under that specific 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.159 future land use 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.369 designation so for example in our one would be considered 00:59:05.369 --> 00:59:07.440 low residential the 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:15.320 NR 2346 is moderate residential and so on and so forth the 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.039 farthest right column 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.429 is our proposed zoning district that is the 14 zoning 00:59:20.429 --> 00:59:21.639 districts that I was 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:26.889 referring to this is how we see them being converted from 00:59:26.889 --> 00:59:28.440 not only the 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.539 current zoning district but from the future land use 00:59:31.539 --> 00:59:32.880 designation so I'm gonna 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.900 keep this up here for a little bit and ask if anybody has 00:59:35.900 --> 00:59:37.800 any questions with 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:41.610 this chart and I apologize none of this was provided in 00:59:41.610 --> 00:59:43.239 advance but wanted just 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:47.050 to give y'all some time since we have time to go over the 00:59:47.050 --> 00:59:48.079 process of our 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:57.280 update of our zoning map so the next step was we had this 00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.599 methodology of not 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:06.599 not splitting parcel we purposely left parcels the way they 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:07.679 are we didn't want 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:13.260 to zone a property half one zoning and half the other so if 01:00:13.260 --> 01:00:14.880 you see a parcel 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:20.199 that extends long from from here to here this probably 01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.039 should be zone geo general 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.519 office but because we didn't want to split parcels we left 01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.320 it alone because 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.960 we felt that that would cause even more confusion or more 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:32.320 issues in the future 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:37.880 so we left it based on parcels moving forward Ron question 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:39.519 for on that yes sir 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:44.730 if you have on a on a current parcel split zoning did you 01:00:44.730 --> 01:00:47.400 go with the more 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:51.090 dense or the higher zoning rather than down zoning them for 01:00:51.090 --> 01:00:52.000 a lot of those 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.809 chair there the ones I recall are primarily around the 01:00:55.809 --> 01:00:56.920 downtown or around 01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:00.920 the the University because we're limited we're limiting the 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:01.559 amount of zoning 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.539 districts that automatically was zone whatever the zoning 01:01:05.539 --> 01:01:07.119 that was closest to 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.510 the area so so to the to your answer to answer your 01:01:10.510 --> 01:01:12.880 question that is yes but the 01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:17.260 majority of it we didn't deal with that specifically well I 01:01:17.260 --> 01:01:18.400 'm just going through 01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:21.800 my memory of how many cases have come here over the years 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:22.719 and split zonings 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:26.380 right and so obviously there's probably still some of those 01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:27.760 out there so on 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:33.929 split zoning cases you had to take that parcel now it's 01:01:33.929 --> 01:01:35.440 owned right with one 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.789 running rather than two in the one I recall it was the one 01:01:38.789 --> 01:01:39.800 off of Scripture 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:43.099 normal that one comes to mind that's the one I can I mean 01:01:43.099 --> 01:01:44.639 in the example I gave 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:49.849 you the response I gave you we gave that a zoning that was 01:01:49.849 --> 01:01:51.880 suitable for both for 01:01:51.880 --> 01:02:02.199 example that was I believe dr2 and DCG right and so in that 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.079 area we we don't 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:10.000 amend because our current I'm sorry our proposed MD would 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:11.599 not apply there so in 01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.920 essence we took care of that split zoning by the proposed 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:18.519 zoning proposed 01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:22.099 again because we were dealing with less zoning districts so 01:02:22.099 --> 01:02:23.119 there there wasn't a 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:26.969 lot of where we had split zoning to begin with or as a 01:02:26.969 --> 01:02:29.360 result so I guess to 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:32.960 carry the conversation one step further mm-hmm in that 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:33.960 example since you brought 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:38.139 it up that parcel had DCG and dr2 right and so instead of 01:02:38.139 --> 01:02:39.079 that parcel becoming 01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:44.289 an MD that parcels become an MN correct so back to my 01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:46.039 question that property 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:51.239 really it's probably down zone rather than up zoned correct 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:52.320 okay and we will 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:54.820 get to that that is there's something that's part of this 01:02:54.820 --> 01:02:56.320 presentation and how 01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.719 we deal with down zoning and some up zoning as well okay 01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.460 but good question so 01:03:03.460 --> 01:03:08.659 the next step in the methodology was we applied the HC 01:03:08.659 --> 01:03:10.039 which is a highway 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:13.690 corridor zoning district and what we did is we apply that 01:03:13.690 --> 01:03:14.699 to properties or 01:03:14.699 --> 01:03:20.639 parcels that is a long I 35 and we use a thousand foot 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.320 extension from the center 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:27.760 line of the highway so as you can see this is I 35 where 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.639 there are the car 01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:34.849 dealerships some regional or commercial retail establish 01:03:34.849 --> 01:03:36.679 ments in as you can see 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:40.280 based on what you see here majority of it roughly is about 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:41.559 a thousand foot deep 01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:46.769 now that may be a bit longer or deeper than normal but we 01:03:46.769 --> 01:03:48.159 wanted to capture as 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:51.969 much as we can and we went back and made sure that if there 01:03:51.969 --> 01:03:52.880 are existing 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:58.090 neighborhoods or existing uses that would not fit the HC 01:03:58.090 --> 01:03:59.639 zoning district we 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.219 went in and modified it and you can see some of it over 01:04:03.219 --> 01:04:05.239 here as well the other 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:09.599 important thing is where there is a PD or a zoning overlay 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.079 and we'll get into 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.610 that a little bit more we left those alone as well those 01:04:14.610 --> 01:04:16.440 existing PDs and 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:23.500 existing zoning overlays will carry forward as PDs the 01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:25.239 other zoning district 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:30.570 that we use along major corridor was the suburban quarter 01:04:30.570 --> 01:04:32.440 zoning district and 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.630 again we use the a thousand a thousand foot central from 01:04:35.630 --> 01:04:37.039 the center line this 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:44.840 is loop 288 it also applied on University on Teasley and 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:45.320 Fort Worth 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:51.000 Drive as well so the idea here again is we want to capture 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:52.920 any highway or I'm 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:56.500 sorry suburban corridor and we use a thousand foot again as 01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:57.800 the start but as 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.329 I explained earlier we went back and made sure that we 01:05:00.329 --> 01:05:01.519 weren't impacting any 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:07.929 existing development or residential development here's a 01:05:07.929 --> 01:05:09.440 here's an example 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:14.420 of how that was done so the one to your left is University 01:05:14.420 --> 01:05:15.840 Drive and again this 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:21.050 area here is looked at or is being being proposed as 01:05:21.050 --> 01:05:22.719 suburban corridor and if 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.849 there was a neighborhood adjacent to it and it is an 01:05:25.849 --> 01:05:27.800 established neighborhood we 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:31.610 made sure that we went back and made it right and cleaned 01:05:31.610 --> 01:05:32.880 it up and it's more 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.679 obviously better it's not better but it is existing 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:37.800 established neighborhoods 01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:41.820 and they should be zoned the way they are and so that is we 01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:42.079 're going to be 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:46.829 receiving an R2 because of the conversion that we talked 01:05:46.829 --> 01:05:47.840 about prior 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:51.840 yes sir commissioner back thank you chair so I'm 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.690 assuming that black line we've seen and we'll actually take 01:05:54.690 --> 01:05:55.599 a dip and go around 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.880 that neighborhood right yeah it will not know that that's 01:05:58.880 --> 01:05:59.360 just to illustrate 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:04.619 where that thousand foot extension was taken to the same 01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:07.039 thing for I-35 we we 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:11.679 did the the HC and you can see here this is the Southridge 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:13.000 neighborhood we know 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.190 that that's not going to be to see that's established an 01:06:15.190 --> 01:06:15.639 established 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.309 neighborhood and it's residential so we went and we made 01:06:18.309 --> 01:06:19.360 sure that we zoned it 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:25.219 the way it should be zoned I talked about this somewhat 01:06:25.219 --> 01:06:27.840 earlier PDs the big 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:32.789 one that we know of or as well known as the ropes and range 01:06:32.789 --> 01:06:34.000 plan development 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:39.570 those PDs that we have a total of 15 legal conforming PDs 01:06:39.570 --> 01:06:41.440 will carry forward 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:47.960 as PDs so they will be moved over and will not be altered 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:49.480 or of any way 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:55.610 master plan communities we've got three four technically 01:06:55.610 --> 01:06:57.159 but three coal ranch 01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:02.559 hills of den and hunter ranch those MPCs will be carried 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.719 over as PDs so moving 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:11.429 forward they will be PDs as part of the draft zoning map 01:07:11.429 --> 01:07:14.039 zoning overlays these 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:19.019 are different from your special purpose overlay districts 01:07:19.019 --> 01:07:20.440 such as the fry Street 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:23.630 special purpose overlay district these are zoning overlays 01:07:23.630 --> 01:07:25.119 these are the zoning 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.019 cases that was brought forward to the planning zoning 01:07:28.019 --> 01:07:29.840 Commission and to and 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:34.030 then into to council that is and if there was a restriction 01:07:34.030 --> 01:07:35.159 or a condition 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:43.329 placed on this zoning case they technically are not the 01:07:43.329 --> 01:07:44.719 true zoning so 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.139 they're referred to as zoning overlays and we have 01:07:48.139 --> 01:07:50.360 approximately 32 of these 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:56.360 currently since 2002 and they will be carried forward as PD 01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:57.440 s as part of the 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:01.519 draft zoning map any questions on this one because this 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.280 this provided or had 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.880 some discussion with the advisory committee so I didn't 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:06.559 know I want to 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:10.730 offer an opportunity for the playing zoning Commission to 01:08:10.730 --> 01:08:14.280 ask questions okay 01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:18.819 I think everybody remembers this one this one I try to find 01:08:18.819 --> 01:08:19.840 one that was 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.329 somewhat recent this is the one of Audra where they were 01:08:24.329 --> 01:08:27.420 proposing an NR six 01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:33.000 but truly they needed four point five and so that's that's 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.119 the reduction 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:37.310 Commissioner Smith nature who's gonna keep track of these 01:08:37.310 --> 01:08:37.960 overlays because 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.359 they're all gonna be so different everything else that I 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:40.920 mean it's it's 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.279 not just even taking like we've got it we got a variation 01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:44.840 or an overlay on an 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:48.840 R2 or something like that now and then we go in and it's 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:49.840 everything becomes PD 01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:52.659 we don't even see in the signifier of it was it in our two 01:08:52.659 --> 01:08:53.720 or in our four in our 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.779 six with extra little overlays or emissions everything else 01:08:56.779 --> 01:08:57.560 who's keeping 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:01.449 track of it is it written it's it's it's gonna be by 01:09:01.449 --> 01:09:03.039 ordinance so we will have 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:06.489 that go back through and be able to currently currently 01:09:06.489 --> 01:09:07.880 with the current PDs 01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:11.689 we've got a folder system with each PD sure that identifies 01:09:11.689 --> 01:09:12.920 you know what it is 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:16.310 their development standards their zoning regulations so the 01:09:16.310 --> 01:09:17.119 ordinance part I get 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:19.449 I think I think the part I'm more looking at is that if 01:09:19.449 --> 01:09:20.399 there is ever any 01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:23.470 extra development in any of these areas that have an 01:09:23.470 --> 01:09:25.520 overlay on it the current 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.649 system we have now at least gives you just from the outset 01:09:28.649 --> 01:09:29.720 of just being able 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.930 to see it's in our two at least gives you some idea of 01:09:34.930 --> 01:09:35.939 knowing at least how 01:09:35.939 --> 01:09:38.569 many how many dwellings per acre and then you can kind of 01:09:38.569 --> 01:09:39.279 figure out the 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.159 overlays from there once you do PD you know in our six with 01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:43.640 overlays and two 01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:47.489 with overlays well no I mean it actually I guess just log 01:09:47.489 --> 01:09:48.319 istically I don't want 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:51.140 over overburdened city with having to ask right answer a 01:09:51.140 --> 01:09:52.119 bunch of questions 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.729 maybe I'm I think it might be even easier if we put them as 01:09:55.729 --> 01:09:56.439 PDs because if 01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:58.840 you left them as zoning you don't know there's a PD and you 01:09:58.840 --> 01:09:59.680 can assume it's 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.090 this with the PD you can see okay it's not it's gonna have 01:10:02.090 --> 01:10:03.119 an overlay yes you 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:06.390 know to go to if you click on it in our interactive map you 01:10:06.390 --> 01:10:07.079 can click on an 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:10.100 existing PD sure it tells you what number it is what name 01:10:10.100 --> 01:10:10.800 it is and then 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.680 you can reference that there's an ordinance number so it 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:14.880 almost helps that 01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:18.069 there is a PD it's a PD versus just a underlying zone 01:10:18.069 --> 01:10:18.899 industry so smart Ron 01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:26.779 thank you okay so the other after we did all that we also 01:10:26.779 --> 01:10:27.760 looked at the preferred 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:32.210 growth concept which is in our didn't plan 2030 our again 01:10:32.210 --> 01:10:33.520 our our vision our 01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:37.699 hope is that we try to develop sustainability a sustainable 01:10:37.699 --> 01:10:38.359 with with 01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:41.079 the intent of you know sustaining our resources so we want 01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:42.000 to develop within 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:46.229 the core and then work our way out eventually so any areas 01:10:46.229 --> 01:10:47.560 that were in the 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:52.750 periphery of the city we left or try to leave as rural 01:10:52.750 --> 01:10:54.199 residential our our that's 01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:59.409 the least intense zoning district so similar to what we 01:10:59.409 --> 01:11:01.439 have now is RD 5 they 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.020 will just be our art and again we those are going to be 01:11:04.020 --> 01:11:05.119 those areas that are 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:11.100 along the periphery of the city we also looked at you know 01:11:11.100 --> 01:11:12.920 areas that we weren't 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.500 really familiar with we use aerial photography Google 01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:17.680 Street View and 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:22.180 visited each site so I asked the committee I asked you all 01:11:22.180 --> 01:11:22.800 know where this 01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:25.819 is this is actually University Drive and this is mingo 01:11:25.819 --> 01:11:27.479 right next to the railroad 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:31.470 does anybody know that this well I guess we weren't as 01:11:31.470 --> 01:11:33.199 familiar with it than as 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:37.979 you all were so I I didn't know that building was there or 01:11:37.979 --> 01:11:39.399 you know what it 01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:42.590 was and so we had to research it and so we we had to make 01:11:42.590 --> 01:11:43.960 sure that we knew each 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.689 parcel before we put a zoning on it so that's that's to 01:11:46.689 --> 01:11:48.000 show you that there was 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:54.300 there was some time spent doing that city properties city 01:11:54.300 --> 01:11:56.039 properties where 01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:00.210 they made sense that they were the use that's currently on 01:12:00.210 --> 01:12:01.560 that property was 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:05.199 permitted on in that proposed zoning district we left it as 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:06.399 is so this is in 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:10.630 the downtown area the blue here that you see is the square 01:12:10.630 --> 01:12:11.920 and so all this 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.359 property and this is where we are right now this is where 01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.399 we're currently at MD 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:23.550 mixed use downtown is primarily high intensity I can't say 01:12:23.550 --> 01:12:24.760 high density I say 01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:28.800 high intensity because it allows a lot of different uses 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:29.880 and allows for a 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:35.090 certain height maximum and lot coverage as well but the 01:12:35.090 --> 01:12:36.800 uses looking at the 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:41.289 allowed uses it also allowed for the those those type of 01:12:41.289 --> 01:12:42.600 uses in the MD when 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:46.279 we left it empty we didn't change it at all 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:51.630 for larger areas that we feel needs a little bit more 01:12:51.630 --> 01:12:53.000 attention such as the 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:58.680 airport the landfill large DME facilities and so on we have 01:12:58.680 --> 01:12:59.520 the option 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:04.729 or the zoning district called PF plant public facilities 01:13:04.729 --> 01:13:06.000 and again that is 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.199 defined as lands that are meant for public and quasi public 01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:11.159 community uses 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:15.489 and this zoning would apply to and should apply to these 01:13:15.489 --> 01:13:16.600 type or these 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:20.180 areas in the city that the city owns so we have it for 01:13:20.180 --> 01:13:21.840 large areas such as the 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:27.789 airport we also have them for UNT and TW now we're also 01:13:27.789 --> 01:13:29.640 considering an 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:33.840 institutional zoning district for these two universities 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.880 that's that's something 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:38.689 that will most likely come as part of the amendment but for 01:13:38.689 --> 01:13:39.960 now they're zone 01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:45.170 SPF Commissioner Roseau thank you chair can you help me 01:13:45.170 --> 01:13:45.680 understand the 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:49.550 rationale of making of their own zoning district when they 01:13:49.550 --> 01:13:50.760 de facto do what they 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:54.590 want anyways we have to give them some zoning district so I 01:13:54.590 --> 01:13:55.880 think institutional 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:57.909 zoning district that's what that's a good question because 01:13:57.909 --> 01:13:58.399 we thought the 01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:02.970 same thing if they didn't receive any zoning is like we we 01:14:02.970 --> 01:14:04.300 wouldn't have you 01:14:04.300 --> 01:14:06.640 know a designation for them but you're right there is there 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:07.319 they don't have to 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:12.840 comply with our regs as far as the zoning regulations so 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:14.000 what would be the 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.640 benefit of having a separate zoning that's used twice in 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:18.800 our city just for 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:22.800 them I think there may be I don't know if Richard can help 01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:25.560 me with this one part 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:29.680 of it is just to avoid any confusion with the p.l. I have 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:31.439 seen in in past 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:36.649 cities where where it had a residential designation and 01:14:36.649 --> 01:14:38.039 this particular 01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.430 University had a campus plan but they felt as though they 01:14:40.430 --> 01:14:41.079 had they were 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.500 entitled as a result of the zoning for a certain amount of 01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:46.239 density not the case 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.869 here since we don't have density but all in all it's I 01:14:48.869 --> 01:14:50.020 think it's it's just 01:14:50.020 --> 01:14:53.310 better to capture them as their own ideally it would be to 01:14:53.310 --> 01:14:54.159 have a master 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.260 plan but I think at that point it would just defer to that 01:14:57.260 --> 01:14:58.359 for whatever whatever 01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.430 they do yeah that makes sense thank you I'd have a follow- 01:15:01.430 --> 01:15:02.880 up question on that 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:06.689 you say if I should are they're gonna become a separate 01:15:06.689 --> 01:15:08.800 zoning category yes 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.680 we're thinking of adding a zoning district called just 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:13.319 institutional 01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:17.590 zoning district for the universities and all these other 01:15:17.590 --> 01:15:18.960 properties those are the 01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:22.770 properties that the University of North Texas currently 01:15:22.770 --> 01:15:24.560 owns yes so with the 01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:28.800 with the rules that all the other zoning categories have to 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.039 meet then if I heard 01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:33.270 you right these don't have to meet those same categories or 01:15:33.270 --> 01:15:34.560 requirements the 01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:42.060 University the institutional one here didn't I see doesn't 01:15:42.060 --> 01:15:43.439 fall under 01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.939 institutional just DST would be under public facilities 01:15:46.939 --> 01:15:47.800 just the first two 01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:52.399 yeah just these two okay I misunderstood I just thought all 01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:53.239 of those were going 01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:57.079 into oh no no no no those those my mistake misunderstanding 01:15:57.079 --> 01:15:57.279 yeah 01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:02.260 apologies Commissioner Smith nature if they acquire new 01:16:02.260 --> 01:16:04.000 land after we go 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:07.810 through to a reason rezone that's technically go through a 01:16:07.810 --> 01:16:08.479 zoning change 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.159 then if they let's say they go buy something that's just 01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:11.960 they think they 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:14.789 sorry they would they would have that would that come in 01:16:14.789 --> 01:16:15.479 front of us we would 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.250 just vote on that because zoning change technically or what 01:16:18.250 --> 01:16:18.279 would that go be 01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.539 automatic when they purchase it it will be up to them to 01:16:20.539 --> 01:16:21.479 decide if they want to 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:25.430 rezone it or just keep it as this so it's it's it's it 01:16:25.430 --> 01:16:27.119 makes it simple for us 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:32.000 right now right but if they grow and they acquire any type 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:33.399 of the property it 01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:37.520 we did be complicated again at some point if I can just say 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:38.159 you know another 01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:40.189 and I was thinking about this actually earlier it's kind of 01:16:40.189 --> 01:16:41.800 funny one way we we 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.619 might want to consider and just sort of talk it out more 01:16:44.619 --> 01:16:45.720 with legal is there's 01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:48.899 kind of the concept of a floating zone so whether this 01:16:48.899 --> 01:16:50.020 becomes sort of a 01:16:50.020 --> 01:16:52.920 floating zone and as they acquire property just become sort 01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:53.319 of self 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.760 executing again I want to talk that over with with legal 01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:57.960 whether that's even a 01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.310 possibility but I think it's just sort of looking at at 01:17:00.310 --> 01:17:01.439 those options or sort of 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:06.760 every quarter do we do a true up of properties of David 01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:08.319 Clark yeah I think 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:10.819 it's also to understand where they're they obviously have a 01:17:10.819 --> 01:17:11.479 plan of how they 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:14.630 want to sure I guess I guess for me it was more to not have 01:17:14.630 --> 01:17:15.840 to bog us down as 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:19.649 a as a as a commission to not to come to the see it's a 01:17:19.649 --> 01:17:21.119 here have Haley get 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:23.149 there and talk for ten minutes about why we're gonna reason 01:17:23.149 --> 01:17:23.560 on it and it just 01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:29.279 like I was just going on it sorry for picking on you Haley 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.680 one follow-up on that on the 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.800 on the reverse is true though - these entities do sell 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:37.680 properties they do come 01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:41.699 so what would be the zoning or how would you handle going 01:17:41.699 --> 01:17:43.760 from institutional that 01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:46.689 there there is no zoning on that parcel so for example like 01:17:46.689 --> 01:17:47.560 the city of debt 01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:50.409 parcel that's for sale here on Locust Street I bought 01:17:50.409 --> 01:17:51.920 property from DISD 01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:58.680 before if it's institutional so TISD would would not be the 01:17:58.680 --> 01:17:59.319 institutional it 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:02.039 would be there's just the universities I guess I'm still 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:03.399 yeah sorry I'm having a 01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:08.270 hard time with it got wrote written in stone and it doesn't 01:18:08.270 --> 01:18:10.439 come out right actually 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.170 if I can just give another another example because this is 01:18:13.170 --> 01:18:14.239 a real example 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:19.479 TWU in this case probably wouldn't want to rezone to 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:21.319 institutional they've 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.359 acquired it was a piece of property they acquired to to 01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:25.880 build apartments for the 01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:29.460 students so in that case they kept it but they were 01:18:29.460 --> 01:18:30.199 contracting out with a 01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:32.680 different party to sort of build and manage that so in that 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:33.359 case they kept 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.039 the the zoning and went and are going through through our 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:37.600 site plan process so 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:41.729 in that regard we may want to have them rezone or again I 01:18:41.729 --> 01:18:43.720 think there's other we 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.739 can look at it as as we move forward but part of it is to 01:18:46.739 --> 01:18:47.600 sort of try to 01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:51.869 understand also what what their long-term plans are 01:18:51.869 --> 01:18:53.199 Commissioner Osello 01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:57.119 I'm gonna restate chairs question a little bit differently 01:18:57.119 --> 01:18:58.399 the public 01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.699 facilities can sell and what would that zoning would just 01:19:01.699 --> 01:19:02.800 be public facilities 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.949 until the new property owner came back through the rezone 01:19:05.949 --> 01:19:09.600 yes okay and a lot of 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:14.039 I did speak with DISD the county text I mean text on and DC 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:15.039 T a you know 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.300 individually and I told them this is what is happening and 01:19:18.300 --> 01:19:18.720 they were 01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:22.239 comfortable with what we were proposing for example DISD 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:23.359 the schools are 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.180 permitted in all zoning district from majority except for 01:19:26.180 --> 01:19:28.399 like the HI the L I 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:31.829 so you don't want schools in those areas so we did we did 01:19:31.829 --> 01:19:33.279 talk to these agencies 01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:38.060 before we made this public I know we have a couple minutes 01:19:38.060 --> 01:19:39.439 left this is 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.630 probably the more important slide but I just wanted to 01:19:41.630 --> 01:19:43.000 share this with you really 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:48.399 quickly we have approximately 38,496 parcels in the city 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:49.800 and we did an 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:55.039 analysis where we took a parcel and if it went from an R4 01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:56.479 with the conversion 01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:02.039 and we zoned it on R2 for because of maybe consistency or 01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:03.680 compatibility that 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:08.890 is considered a zoning down and vice versa if we saw an LI 01:20:08.890 --> 01:20:10.439 and probably more 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:15.069 suitable for an HI that would be a zoning up so we did that 01:20:15.069 --> 01:20:15.479 we did that 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.909 conversion we did that analysis and we came up with 01:20:18.909 --> 01:20:21.680 approximately 2800 parcels 01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:24.800 that are being zoning up being zoned up in about 1800 are 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:25.720 gonna be zoned down 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:30.930 now out of 38,000 that's pretty good that tells us that the 01:20:30.930 --> 01:20:31.680 majority of these 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:36.680 parcels are being converted to the zoning district that 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:37.880 they either are or 01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:42.020 roughly are so and not not a big change so just give you 01:20:42.020 --> 01:20:44.199 guys an insight of what 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:48.329 that number is or how we're how we've done our our zoning 01:20:48.329 --> 01:20:50.159 map update so that 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:53.159 concludes my presentation unless there's anything else I 01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:55.359 appreciate the time 01:20:55.359 --> 01:21:00.760 thank you Ron and just one quick note we'll have a standing 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:02.520 work session item 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:06.109 so that we can update the Commission on the actions of the 01:21:06.109 --> 01:21:07.279 committee and what's 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:12.260 being presented and where we're going great thank you with 01:21:12.260 --> 01:21:13.600 that I'll close our 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:17.479 work session at 629 and we'll reconvene as quickly as 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:18.439 possible in council 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:25.399 chambers good evening and welcome to the city of Denton 01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:26.359 planning and zoning 01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:31.340 Commission meeting for April the 11th 2018 this meeting's 01:21:31.340 --> 01:21:32.520 been duly posted and 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.470 we do have a quorum present and we'll call us to order at 6 01:21:36.470 --> 01:21:38.199 37 our first order 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:40.760 of business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and 01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:43.560 the Texas flags 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:04.069 honor the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the Texas one 01:22:04.069 --> 01:22:11.159 state under God one 01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:14.159 and indivisible 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.479 our next order of business will be to consider a motion for 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.640 our minutes for 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:33.319 March the 21st 2018 Commissioner Smith I'm most to approve 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:34.680 okay Mr. Beck 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:38.720 second okay we have a first and a second for approval any 01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:41.439 comments or questions 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:45.760 seeing none to call for a vote on the board 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:12.970 oh most is going to carry five zero with two abstain and we 01:23:12.970 --> 01:23:15.880 'll move us to our 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:22.699 consent agenda Commissioner Beck I move we approve consent 01:23:22.699 --> 01:23:23.520 agenda okay 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.109 Commissioner Smith second that motion okay we have a first 01:23:27.109 --> 01:23:28.840 and a second for approval any 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:35.600 discussion seeing none call for a vote on board 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:49.149 most is going to carry seven zero I will move us to item 01:23:49.149 --> 01:23:51.800 for a individual 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:56.520 consideration call on Haley for presentation 01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:08.050 good evening this request is for an alternative development 01:24:08.050 --> 01:24:08.359 plan for a 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:12.159 tractor dealership and repair facility the request for this 01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:12.960 alternative 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.529 development plan is to specifically deviate from the 01:24:15.529 --> 01:24:16.680 perimeter fencing and 01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:19.380 screening requirements and then the parking screening 01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:20.520 requirements found in 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:24.789 subchapter 13 of the Ditten Development Code the site is 01:24:24.789 --> 01:24:26.239 part of a larger 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:29.210 tract of land located on I-35 the property has been 01:24:29.210 --> 01:24:30.359 preliminary platted 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.460 not yet final platted to separate this into two lots this 01:24:33.460 --> 01:24:34.920 ADP specifically 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:38.840 applies to the northern 5.4 acres of the site and the 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:40.279 property is currently zoned 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:46.000 regional center commercial commercial downtown looking at 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:47.680 the site you can see 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:51.260 they have approximately a 20,000 square foot building in 01:24:51.260 --> 01:24:52.560 the roughly the middle 01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:55.750 of the site that's outland here in yellow in blue you see 01:24:55.750 --> 01:24:56.760 the designated 01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.569 parking areas and the area in green is a large detention 01:25:00.569 --> 01:25:02.119 pond overall the site 01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:08.159 has 71% lot coverage 29% landscaping and 63 parking spaces 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:09.560 as I mentioned 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:12.000 briefly at work session the city is in some discussions 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:13.039 regarding the future 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:16.140 alignment of Windsor the general location of parking and 01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:16.920 this detention 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:20.479 pond could shift but the requested items tonight in terms 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:21.680 of the fencing and 01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:25.279 screening would not be affected by that 01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:29.409 specifically the request the first item is to permit a 01:25:29.409 --> 01:25:30.960 chain link fencing 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.409 material currently this isn't a permitted fence material in 01:25:33.409 --> 01:25:33.800 the code 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:37.100 what the applicants requesting on the side and rear yards 01:25:37.100 --> 01:25:38.359 is an eight foot tall 01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:42.460 black vinyl coated chain link fence they're also proposing 01:25:42.460 --> 01:25:43.380 to plant trees 01:25:43.380 --> 01:25:47.189 along that fence on the side yards to further screen it the 01:25:47.189 --> 01:25:48.319 second request is 01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:51.199 for a front fence that will exceed the three and a half 01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:52.319 foot maximum in the 01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:55.359 code what they've proposed is a six foot tall ornamental wr 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:56.079 ought iron fence 01:25:56.079 --> 01:26:00.470 along the front property line and then the third item when 01:26:00.470 --> 01:26:01.800 you have parking in 01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:05.609 front of a building the code requires a 15 foot wide area 01:26:05.609 --> 01:26:06.920 that is to include a 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:09.970 berm one large tree per every 40 linear feet and then 01:26:09.970 --> 01:26:11.640 either zero scaping hedges 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:16.850 or a continuous wall to enhance their display visibility 01:26:16.850 --> 01:26:17.560 from the street the 01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:20.479 applicant is proposing to not provide the screening yard 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:21.680 there are they are 01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:24.090 proposing to include all of those required landscaping 01:26:24.090 --> 01:26:24.920 elements for that 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.539 area and have them in alternative locations on the site 01:26:27.539 --> 01:26:28.260 that we'll see 01:26:28.260 --> 01:26:32.840 here in a moment so looking at the fencing requirements the 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:33.600 yellowish 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:37.520 orange color is the location for the black eight foot chain 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:38.520 link fence you 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.399 can see here they do have trees proposed along the sides of 01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:42.000 that to further 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.819 screen the parts that would be visible from the road and 01:26:44.819 --> 01:26:45.760 then the area in red 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:49.399 is the location for that six foot tall wrought iron fence 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:50.359 they're requested 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:53.720 along the frontage and to further elaborate on that the wr 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:54.399 ought iron 01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:57.880 fencing is like I said proposed for security because this 01:26:57.880 --> 01:26:58.960 is a display yard 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.329 here in the front it would have gates here on the access 01:27:02.329 --> 01:27:03.439 drives to allow 01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:06.250 traffic in and out of the site but its primary purpose 01:27:06.250 --> 01:27:07.439 would be for security 01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:10.189 and to still allow visibility of the site and it is 01:27:10.189 --> 01:27:11.640 generally consistent with 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.449 other fences that you would see along this part of the 01:27:14.449 --> 01:27:15.800 service road on I-35 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.949 from our research those other fences in this area predate 01:27:18.949 --> 01:27:20.119 the code requirements 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.930 so that's how they were permitted at a taller height 01:27:23.930 --> 01:27:25.359 looking at this in a little 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:28.180 more detail the dark green areas are the areas where they 01:27:28.180 --> 01:27:29.359 're providing trees to 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.409 help screen the fencing as we discussed and then the 01:27:32.409 --> 01:27:34.119 lighter green areas you see 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:36.489 here all of the required street trees and parking lot 01:27:36.489 --> 01:27:37.640 screening trees as well 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.470 as the shrubs that would have made up that continuous hed 01:27:40.470 --> 01:27:41.680 gerow are all 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:44.560 provided in these areas you see them clustered around the 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:45.319 two main drive 01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:47.779 entries to the site and then a few of the trees have been 01:27:47.779 --> 01:27:48.760 provided along the 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:51.720 back part of the property and in addition to the required 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:52.600 plantings they 01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:54.939 are proposing eight additional street trees as well to 01:27:54.939 --> 01:27:55.960 further enhance these 01:27:55.960 --> 01:28:01.720 entries to the site so with an ADP we always like to look 01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:02.239 back at what the 01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:04.920 intent of the code requirements are the DDCs fencing 01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:06.359 requirements are meant to 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:10.159 ensure high quality you know long durability fencing 01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:12.159 materials and then 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:15.460 specifically within our residential and mixed-use districts 01:28:15.460 --> 01:28:16.760 we have that limited 01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:19.149 height requirement to ensure that the buildings and you 01:28:19.149 --> 01:28:20.079 know the entire site 01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:23.270 is still visible from the right-of-way with our parking lot 01:28:23.270 --> 01:28:24.119 screening the intent 01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:27.039 there is muting the visual effects of parking from the 01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:28.359 right-of-way so that as 01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:30.699 you drive down the street you have you know a visually 01:28:30.699 --> 01:28:32.079 appealing street front 01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:34.180 edge and there's no light or glare from the parking lots 01:28:34.180 --> 01:28:35.079 interfering with the 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:40.289 roadway so to go briefly through the criteria for approval 01:28:40.289 --> 01:28:41.159 for an ADP the 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:43.699 first is preservation of existing neighborhoods it's not 01:28:43.699 --> 01:28:44.560 anticipated that 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:46.920 this would negatively affect the surrounding area it is 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:47.760 consistent with 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:50.109 the other development specifically to the north there are 01:28:50.109 --> 01:28:50.960 several other large 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.359 RV sales facilities and then south there's a mixture of 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:55.079 institutional and 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:59.409 commercial uses this request would not necessarily lower 01:28:59.409 --> 01:29:00.479 the site design 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:03.380 standards in the Denton Development Code they're intended 01:29:03.380 --> 01:29:04.479 to provide enhanced 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:08.319 security and visibility for the site in terms of focusing 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:09.840 new development and 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:13.300 activity centers what we see here is typical highway scale 01:29:13.300 --> 01:29:14.199 development this is 01:29:14.199 --> 01:29:17.500 a regional zoning a regional commercial center by zoning 01:29:17.500 --> 01:29:19.399 and future land use and 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:21.890 this use would be something that we would expect to have a 01:29:21.890 --> 01:29:22.840 regional customer 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:27.359 base that fits with that infrastructure is not a concern 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:28.359 here there is existing 01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:30.829 infrastructure in terms of roadways water and sewer 01:29:30.829 --> 01:29:31.920 available to the site 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:35.970 and the end result here would still be a high quality 01:29:35.970 --> 01:29:37.920 development that would 01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:41.250 generally meet the intent of the code by providing the 01:29:41.250 --> 01:29:42.640 screening for that chain 01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:45.289 link fencing and vinyl coating it they would reduce you 01:29:45.289 --> 01:29:46.239 know the the reflective 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:50.550 typical material see with chain link and they are providing 01:29:50.550 --> 01:29:51.880 a non-opaque high 01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:54.689 quality fence along the frontage as well the height is 01:29:54.689 --> 01:29:55.840 higher for security 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:59.039 purposes but the material itself is a permitted high 01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:00.760 quality material and then 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:02.859 in terms of parking lot screening as I mentioned they are 01:30:02.859 --> 01:30:03.680 providing all of the 01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.750 required elements just in alternate locations on the site 01:30:06.750 --> 01:30:07.680 and they are also 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:11.479 providing those additional eight trees so with that staff 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:12.479 is recommending 01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:14.510 approval of the request because we found it to meet all of 01:30:14.510 --> 01:30:15.939 these criteria and I 01:30:15.939 --> 01:30:18.359 could stand for any questions do you have a question 01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:19.479 Commissioner Beck thank 01:30:19.479 --> 01:30:23.289 you chair Haley just for clarification again can you go 01:30:23.289 --> 01:30:24.319 back to the diagram the 01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:32.960 site location show us that the Google yeah okay so when you 01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:33.800 're talking about 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:37.380 this is one tract of land but it's gonna be in two 01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:39.760 different lots yes there is a 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.949 preliminary plan that's been approved it would split the 01:30:42.949 --> 01:30:44.119 lot into two pieces 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:46.939 this would be the northern roughly five and a half acres 01:30:46.939 --> 01:30:48.000 and then there would be 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.189 a second lot okay okay and I don't know why that wasn't 01:30:51.189 --> 01:30:52.159 clear to me before so 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:55.149 we're basically building in that area where the least 01:30:55.149 --> 01:30:56.279 amount of trees are 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:59.239 right now correct yes is what you're doing and that is the 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:00.560 five point three 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:07.039 eight acres yes what is the total acreage for the whole I'm 01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:08.840 guessing 11 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:11.119 maybe 01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:17.460 I believe the other lot is just over two acres but I want 01:31:17.460 --> 01:31:20.199 to confirm that yes I 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:23.500 believe the totals about seven point one acres okay so they 01:31:23.500 --> 01:31:24.720 're using about five 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.609 and a half and then be a remainder of about two so when we 01:31:27.609 --> 01:31:28.520 're talking about 01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:33.500 putting fencing on that I guess it'd be the south end to 01:31:33.500 --> 01:31:35.119 kind of obscure the 01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:40.579 view in there actually it's gonna be covered up by a couple 01:31:40.579 --> 01:31:42.880 of acres so yes 01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:46.930 why is the fencing even an issue as far as a barrier of 01:31:46.930 --> 01:31:48.880 some kind is that where 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:51.779 the roads gonna run through and no the code doesn't permit 01:31:51.779 --> 01:31:52.960 chain-link material 01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:58.170 at all it's not a man material yeah but you talk about 01:31:58.170 --> 01:31:59.279 trees and bushes being 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:04.680 planted to landscaping on that south end to cover the view 01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:05.199 of the chain link 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:09.279 fence but can we even really see it if there's two acres 01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:10.279 roughly two acres 01:32:10.279 --> 01:32:13.239 south of that once that sites developed it probably wouldn 01:32:13.239 --> 01:32:14.279 't be visible no but 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:17.119 in the meantime it would provide that additional screening 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:18.560 and okay they're 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:21.039 using that to meet all of their other tree and landscaping 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:22.520 requirements as well 01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:29.479 okay thank you any other questions for Haley 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.670 thank you Amy I believe the applicant is here if you had 01:32:33.670 --> 01:32:34.479 any questions for them 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:38.289 as well this is an item for individual consideration and if 01:32:38.289 --> 01:32:38.920 there's anyone who 01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:41.579 would like to speak on this item especially the applicant 01:32:41.579 --> 01:32:42.279 you're welcome 01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:45.479 to come forward this time 01:32:49.060 --> 01:32:54.039 my name is Richard Mason I'm with icon consulting group I 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:56.239 am the project 01:32:56.239 --> 01:33:00.140 architect on it and I appreciate your time to speak this 01:33:00.140 --> 01:33:01.640 evening we have been 01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:05.630 through quite a bit of give-and-take with Haley and her 01:33:05.630 --> 01:33:06.960 group to to get to 01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:10.539 this point and as most of you know where the current 01:33:10.539 --> 01:33:12.079 location of Zimmer or 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:16.340 Kubota is they're busting at the seams and ready to get to 01:33:16.340 --> 01:33:18.359 a bigger site you know to 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:22.560 expand and and get into a nicer building that kind of thing 01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:23.239 and so that's 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:27.689 basically the whole development there and and what we're 01:33:27.689 --> 01:33:29.359 asking for again we're 01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:33.000 trying to meet the intent of what in working with Haley and 01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:34.159 the intent of the 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:37.960 code with the materials and those types of things 01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:39.640 recognizing that the front of 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:42.970 this is going to be a display area for various types of 01:33:42.970 --> 01:33:44.439 equipment that Zimmer 01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:49.649 sells and and so and then the security issue of being in a 01:33:49.649 --> 01:33:51.239 transient zone that 01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:53.810 are along the highway those are the main two things that we 01:33:53.810 --> 01:33:54.760 're trying to to 01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:57.989 accomplish keep the site secure but also keep it 01:33:57.989 --> 01:33:59.800 individually pleasing and 01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:06.250 architecturally aesthetically pleasing space in short I'll 01:34:06.250 --> 01:34:06.840 keep it short but 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:12.670 that's basically what our agenda is okay any questions for 01:34:12.670 --> 01:34:14.720 the applicant thank 01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:17.880 you for coming out thank you for your time you bet sir 01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:25.890 anybody else want to speak on this item seeing none chair 01:34:25.890 --> 01:34:27.399 entertaining motion 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:32.039 discussion Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I'm gonna 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:34.680 move to approve ADP 17 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:41.680 for Commissioner Beck second first and second any further 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:42.279 discussion or 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:50.159 comments I'll make a quick comment just say so good to see 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:51.319 a local company do 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:55.130 well and glad that you all are going to be able to stay in 01:34:55.130 --> 01:34:56.399 town and expand and 01:34:56.399 --> 01:35:00.380 continue to run your business here congratulations with 01:35:00.380 --> 01:35:01.560 that call for a 01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:11.289 vote on the board motion carries seven zero good luck with 01:35:11.289 --> 01:35:15.239 your project that 01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:18.670 will move us to well before I go to 4b I want to make this 01:35:18.670 --> 01:35:19.319 a general 01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:23.739 announcement on our agenda I've got a couple people here in 01:35:23.739 --> 01:35:25.000 the room let 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:28.329 everyone know that in our public hearing sections item 5a 01:35:28.329 --> 01:35:30.840 has been withdrawn so 01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:33.409 if you're waiting for that item it has been withdrawn and 01:35:33.409 --> 01:35:34.199 it's going to be 01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:36.800 renoticed so do want to let you all know that if any of you 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:37.920 are waiting for that 01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:44.310 item that will move us on to item 4b and I'm going to rec 01:35:44.310 --> 01:35:45.560 use myself on this item 01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:49.010 due to the fact that I was in a part of the partnership 01:35:49.010 --> 01:35:50.600 that owned this property 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:53.670 originally and has sold it several years ago to the present 01:35:53.670 --> 01:35:54.479 owner and so I'm 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.670 going to recuse myself on this item and I'll yield to the 01:35:57.670 --> 01:35:58.920 vice chair on this 01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:03.229 item thank you chair for item 4b I'll call Haley for 01:36:03.229 --> 01:36:08.720 presentation good evening 01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:11.729 this item is a site plan request for a medical office 01:36:11.729 --> 01:36:13.079 building in the razor 01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:18.289 branch overlay district so specifically this is for a 01:36:18.289 --> 01:36:19.640 medical office on lot 1 01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:23.520 block 4 of the razor ranch south edition you can see the 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:25.039 property here outlined 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:29.649 in red it's total of just over four acres it's located 01:36:29.649 --> 01:36:30.640 along the I-35 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:34.430 frontage road scripture currently runs on the south side of 01:36:34.430 --> 01:36:35.199 the property on the 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:38.260 north will be the future extension of panhandle drive that 01:36:38.260 --> 01:36:39.399 's being extended as 01:36:39.399 --> 01:36:43.899 part of the razor ranch development within the overlay 01:36:43.899 --> 01:36:45.760 district this lot 01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:49.560 specifically is located within the south mixed-use district 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:50.479 we've discussed 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:53.010 previously that there haven't been design standards 01:36:53.010 --> 01:36:53.920 developed for the 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:57.520 majority of the south mixed-use district but this specific 01:36:57.520 --> 01:36:58.560 lot did have an 01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:01.609 amendment to the overlay passed in 2011 that adopted a site 01:37:01.609 --> 01:37:02.720 design standard just 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:06.359 for this lot and as you're familiar with these site plans 01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:07.439 for razor ranch 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:09.710 require submittal of a site plan landscape plan and 01:37:09.710 --> 01:37:10.760 building elevations 01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:15.609 for your consideration the criteria for approval generally 01:37:15.609 --> 01:37:16.439 are that the site 01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:19.260 can comply with the concept and schematic plan that we just 01:37:19.260 --> 01:37:19.800 looked at 01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:23.189 that the site provide for compatible arrangement of 01:37:23.189 --> 01:37:24.720 buildings and uses to not 01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:28.529 net negatively impact adjoining properties that there be 01:37:28.529 --> 01:37:29.359 adequate and 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:31.859 safe circulation of vehicular traffic and that the site 01:37:31.859 --> 01:37:32.920 comply with all other 01:37:32.920 --> 01:37:37.710 aspects of the overlay so we'll look at the site plan here 01:37:37.710 --> 01:37:39.079 the proposed building 01:37:39.079 --> 01:37:44.319 is 22,000 square feet this is intended to be phase one of a 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:45.199 larger development 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:47.630 so you can see they're generally developing the southern 01:37:47.630 --> 01:37:48.279 half of the lot 01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:52.289 the intent would be to develop another medical office or 01:37:52.289 --> 01:37:53.640 similar use on the 01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:56.189 north part of this property to make one larger development 01:37:56.189 --> 01:37:56.840 that would be 01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:01.109 interconnected for this phase they're providing 110 parking 01:38:01.109 --> 01:38:02.119 spaces which is 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:05.930 the exact requirement based on the parking ratios in our 01:38:05.930 --> 01:38:06.960 code of one space 01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:10.960 for 200 square feet of office and you can see here access 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:12.300 to the site would be 01:38:12.300 --> 01:38:15.880 provided on the south side from a single driveway along 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:17.920 scripture Street based on 01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:19.960 the drive aisles and their parking lot they do intend to 01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:21.239 interconnect so that 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:23.710 eventually when the northern half develops there will also 01:38:23.710 --> 01:38:24.239 be access to 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:27.729 the site from panhandle and they also have cross-connect 01:38:27.729 --> 01:38:29.159 ivity to the existing 01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:33.800 medical facility east of this property looking at the 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:35.640 landscaping they have 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:37.899 exceeded all of the landscape requirements in the razor 01:38:37.899 --> 01:38:38.720 ranch overlay 01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:42.529 for this particular lot a total of 22 percent landscape or 01:38:42.529 --> 01:38:43.039 20 percent 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:46.850 landscaping was required they're providing 22 and then 01:38:46.850 --> 01:38:47.279 specifically 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:50.119 within the parking lot they were required 22 percent tree 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:50.880 canopy and 10 01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:55.090 percent landscaping so they have exceeded those numbers the 01:38:55.090 --> 01:38:56.039 building 01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:59.210 elevations are in compliance with the requirements of the 01:38:59.210 --> 01:39:00.359 overlay what you see 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:04.170 here on the top is the side that would face face east into 01:39:04.170 --> 01:39:06.079 the site the middle 01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:09.250 elevation is what would be visible along the right of way 01:39:09.250 --> 01:39:11.039 of I-35 and then on the 01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:13.069 bottom you see the two the north and south end of the 01:39:13.069 --> 01:39:14.039 building and the 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.329 building would be constructed of if his material similar to 01:39:17.329 --> 01:39:19.439 stucco and Texas 01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:24.050 limestone staff is recommending approval of the site plan 01:39:24.050 --> 01:39:25.079 request it was found to 01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:27.390 be compliant with all of the applicable regulations within 01:39:27.390 --> 01:39:28.039 the razor ranch 01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:31.069 overlay district and I can stand for any questions thank 01:39:31.069 --> 01:39:32.159 you Haley any questions 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:38.199 for Haley commissioner Ellis thank you vice-chair Haley 01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:38.920 when they do develop 01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:41.470 the other site you did say that they would come back with a 01:39:41.470 --> 01:39:42.119 site plan for 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:46.789 that as well that would be something separate yes thank you 01:39:46.789 --> 01:39:48.920 I do not see any 01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:52.380 other questions thank you Haley as this is an individual 01:39:52.380 --> 01:39:53.640 consideration item 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:56.880 anyone who would like to speak and certainly do so is there 01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:57.960 anyone here who 01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:03.409 would like to speak about this item great see none the vice 01:40:03.409 --> 01:40:03.760 -chair will 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:07.430 entertain a motion or discussion commissioner Smith motion 01:40:07.430 --> 01:40:08.119 to approve SP 01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:13.329 18 - 0 0 0 1 commissioner Ellis second is there any 01:40:13.329 --> 01:40:15.560 discussion I'll call for a 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:18.079 vote on the board 01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:31.239 motion passes passes 6-0 with one recusal with that we'll 01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:32.560 move into our 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:36.159 public agenda item B will be first and before that I'll 01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:37.479 call the chair back in 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:40.479 the meeting 01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:23.939 thank you chairman and commissioners z 17 - 0 0 3 3 is a 01:41:23.939 --> 01:41:25.399 request for approval of 01:41:25.399 --> 01:41:30.930 an initial zoning designation of CMG on the subject site 01:41:30.930 --> 01:41:34.000 located on the map here 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:39.409 it's located on the east side of old out and road south of 01:41:39.409 --> 01:41:43.319 Teasley given that the 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:46.140 site was recently annexed into the city it has a holding 01:41:46.140 --> 01:41:47.119 zone designation of 01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:53.069 RD 5x and here you see the zoning map as it will look if 01:41:53.069 --> 01:41:54.119 this request is 01:41:54.119 --> 01:42:01.079 approved the subject site is designated as community mixed 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:02.680 use the intent of 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:09.050 community mixed use is to achieve a mix of uses basically 01:42:09.050 --> 01:42:10.520 commercial uses but 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:15.960 also some residential and other service uses the types of 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:17.560 uses and the scale of 01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:21.140 the development that is permitted in the CMG district 01:42:21.140 --> 01:42:22.960 conforms to the goals and 01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:28.470 of the community mixed use designation the requested CMG 01:42:28.470 --> 01:42:30.279 district would actually 01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:35.180 be a continuation of the existing CMG district that you see 01:42:35.180 --> 01:42:36.399 to the north this 01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:40.239 little site right here this point three acres is actually 01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:41.560 part of the lot that 01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:45.630 is located to the north when the site was plotted it was 01:42:45.630 --> 01:42:46.680 plotted with the city 01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:52.600 limit line going through the lower third of it the uses 01:42:52.600 --> 01:42:55.039 permitted in the CMG 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:58.390 district are consistent with the uses that are in the area 01:42:58.390 --> 01:42:59.479 today specifically 01:42:59.479 --> 01:43:04.460 vehicle repair offices self storage we have institutional 01:43:04.460 --> 01:43:05.640 uses across the 01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:11.789 street as well as commercial the site will take access from 01:43:11.789 --> 01:43:13.359 old Alton Road old 01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:18.340 out and road is designated as a future secondary arterial 01:43:18.340 --> 01:43:20.000 you can see Teasley 01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.800 Road right here which is a primary arterial the site has 01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:25.319 access to water 01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:29.130 and sewer you can see the water and sewer lines water are 01:43:29.130 --> 01:43:30.239 blue and the sewer 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:37.579 lines are red notices were sent out on March 25th we sent 01:43:37.579 --> 01:43:38.640 out five notices via 01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:42.020 certified mail to property owners within 200 feet of the 01:43:42.020 --> 01:43:43.359 site and we sent 11 01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:47.449 notices courtesy notices to property owners with it with 01:43:47.449 --> 01:43:48.359 excuse me to 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:52.840 properties within 500 feet of the site we have at this time 01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:53.779 received no 01:43:53.779 --> 01:43:59.720 response to the mailing staff recommends approval of this 01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:01.600 request as it conforms 01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:06.079 with the standards for rezoning specifically the CMG 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:06.600 district is 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:09.600 consistent with the goals and objectives of the Denton plan 01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:10.920 2030 and the CMG 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:14.729 district is compatible with the surrounding land uses and 01:44:14.729 --> 01:44:15.600 that concludes 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:18.319 my presentation 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:27.039 so any questions for Cindy 01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:38.250 I think in the transition of me stepping back in and you 01:44:38.250 --> 01:44:39.520 already being here we 01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:44.010 didn't open the public hearing so just for clarification I 01:44:44.010 --> 01:44:45.359 didn't know where we 01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:52.489 were my apologies so we're gonna open the public hearing 01:44:52.489 --> 01:44:54.600 for item 5b do you 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:58.119 want me to go through my presentation again 01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:05.220 I'll ask for that is there anyone in the audience that 01:45:05.220 --> 01:45:06.880 would like to hear the 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:13.520 presentation again seeing none public hearings open and we 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:13.920 've had our 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:22.840 presentation any questions for Cindy seeing none this is a 01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:23.840 public hearing so 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.279 if there's anyone here who would like to speak on this item 01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:27.439 please come forward 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:29.920 at this time 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.420 seeing none it'll close the public hearing and open the 01:45:36.420 --> 01:45:38.279 floor for discussion 01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:44.159 or emotion Commissioner Smith motion approves e 17 - 0 0 3 01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:45.520 3 a commissioner 01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.100 is out I second okay we have a first and a second for 01:45:49.100 --> 01:45:53.680 approval any questions or 01:45:53.680 --> 01:46:01.920 comments so none we will call for a vote on the board 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:13.720 motion is going to carry 7 0 we'll move us to item C this 01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:17.520 time I'm going to open 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:23.420 the public hearing for DCA 18 - 0 0 0 2 and call on Haley 01:46:23.420 --> 01:46:25.199 for presentation 01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:39.699 so this is a proposed amendment to the Denton Development 01:46:39.699 --> 01:46:43.399 Code to remove 01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:47.460 limitation 34 so the request before you is to consider 01:46:47.460 --> 01:46:49.279 making a recommendation 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:52.710 to council regarding removing limitation 34 from subchapter 01:46:52.710 --> 01:46:53.640 5 of the Denton 01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:56.449 Development Code this limitation is applicable to 01:46:56.449 --> 01:46:57.680 distribution center 01:46:57.680 --> 01:47:00.800 warehouse general and warehouse retail uses within our 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:01.920 employment center 01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:07.199 districts so for a bit of background staff is proposing to 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:08.680 remove l34 01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:10.779 entirely from the code in all places where it applies 01:47:10.779 --> 01:47:11.720 within the employment 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:15.239 center districts this limitation specifically as I 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:15.960 mentioned applies to 01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:19.260 distribution centers and warehouses and permits no more 01:47:19.260 --> 01:47:21.199 than 150,000 gross 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:24.100 square feet and eight truck docks it further stipulates 01:47:24.100 --> 01:47:25.319 that all the docks and 01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:28.220 bays have to be to the rear or side not viewable from the 01:47:28.220 --> 01:47:29.119 street and that 01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:32.930 buffering standards apply for outdoor storage and the 01:47:32.930 --> 01:47:34.479 loading docks just for 01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:38.010 size comparison purposes the Walmart at razor ranch that 01:47:38.010 --> 01:47:39.479 you see here is just 01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:42.789 over 150,000 square feet and contains six truck docks so 01:47:42.789 --> 01:47:44.000 that would be a rough 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:46.529 comparison of the type of facility where this limitation 01:47:46.529 --> 01:47:50.000 would start applying a 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:54.159 little bit more background l34 has been in the code since 01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:55.880 it was adopted in 2002 01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:58.920 in 2012 we did make some changes that expanded the applic 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:00.079 ability of it though 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:05.289 we changed uses in 2012 so we previously had wholesale 01:48:05.289 --> 01:48:06.680 storage and distribution 01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:10.260 and distribution centers as separate uses with this with an 01:48:10.260 --> 01:48:11.720 ordinance in 2012 we 01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:15.529 removed both of those and adopted instead distribution 01:48:15.529 --> 01:48:16.239 center slash 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:20.050 warehouse as a use and warehouse retail as another use and 01:48:20.050 --> 01:48:21.680 then we along with 01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:25.710 that expanded l34 to not only apply in the ECI district to 01:48:25.710 --> 01:48:26.920 wholesale storage 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:31.560 but to apply to both of these new uses in the employment 01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:34.640 center districts we did 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:36.970 some comparisons just to see what types of properties this 01:48:36.970 --> 01:48:37.800 would affect in the 01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:41.720 city so to develop a site that would have these limitations 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:42.920 with 150,000 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:46.289 square foot or larger building to provide for adequate 01:48:46.289 --> 01:48:48.000 parking and allow 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:51.220 for the required landscaping area on the site within the EC 01:48:51.220 --> 01:48:52.199 I district you would 01:48:52.199 --> 01:48:56.560 have to have a minimum size property of 5.2 acres so 01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:59.000 looking at where we have 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:01.590 that size of property with this zoning we found that it 01:49:01.590 --> 01:49:02.319 would affect 01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:05.439 approximately 23 different properties in the city that 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:06.840 totaled approximately 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:10.979 429 acres total so in the grand scheme of things not all 01:49:10.979 --> 01:49:12.840 that many properties 01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:16.420 would even be eligible for a facility as large as this 01:49:16.420 --> 01:49:17.920 limitation applies to 01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:22.600 properties within ECC we did ran the same comparison again 01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:23.560 to just see where 01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:26.560 this would start to kick in and we found the minimum size 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:27.920 property where this 01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:31.350 would affect would be about five and a half acres a total 01:49:31.350 --> 01:49:32.520 of six properties 01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:39.079 were affected by this at just approximately 150 acres total 01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:39.399 so some 01:49:39.399 --> 01:49:42.050 further considerations that staff had we looked at what 01:49:42.050 --> 01:49:42.960 other cities in this 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.300 area have in terms of limitations on warehouse or 01:49:45.300 --> 01:49:47.199 distribution facilities we 01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:50.600 found nothing comparable to what we have here none of the 01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:51.800 comparison cities had 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.239 any limitation on the number of bays only two had 01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:55.760 limitations on warehouses 01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:58.720 at all with McKinney limiting the size of a warehouse in 01:49:58.720 --> 01:50:00.000 their town center to 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:04.260 20,000 square feet and Carrollton limiting warehouses to be 01:50:04.260 --> 01:50:04.840 an accessory 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:07.920 use only within their corporate commercial district which 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:08.640 is where they 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:13.489 have zoning in place to allow for large office campuses 01:50:13.489 --> 01:50:14.479 looking at other uses 01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:17.060 that can be permitted by right in these districts today 01:50:17.060 --> 01:50:18.239 craft alcohol production 01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:21.060 and light manufacturing are permitted with no limitation 01:50:21.060 --> 01:50:21.800 those facilities 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:24.609 could include warehouses or distribution centers and not be 01:50:24.609 --> 01:50:26.520 limited in size but 01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:28.640 if you're strictly wanting to warehouse or distribute 01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:30.680 things that's where we for 01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:33.939 some reason have this limitation in place and speaking with 01:50:33.939 --> 01:50:34.520 economic 01:50:34.520 --> 01:50:36.909 developments they do frequently get requests for this type 01:50:36.909 --> 01:50:37.720 of facilities and 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.680 places where they could go within the city and in general 01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:41.319 when those 01:50:41.319 --> 01:50:43.649 applicants come to them they're looking for places to put a 01:50:43.649 --> 01:50:45.039 200 to 300,000 01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:48.180 square foot building minimum so this limitation does 01:50:48.180 --> 01:50:49.439 inhibit in that way a 01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:53.250 lot of property that could be eligible for development with 01:50:53.250 --> 01:50:54.279 that being said 01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:58.090 staff is recommending approval of removing L34 from the 01:50:58.090 --> 01:50:59.000 Employment Center 01:50:59.000 --> 01:51:04.899 districts and I could answer any questions any questions 01:51:04.899 --> 01:51:07.239 for Haley okay 01:51:07.239 --> 01:51:11.949 thank you Commissioner Ellis thank you Jim Haley was there 01:51:11.949 --> 01:51:12.760 any discussion among 01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:16.000 staff with the other part of the limitation removing the 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:17.159 size and that but 01:51:17.159 --> 01:51:20.000 where it talks about the screening and the loading ducks 01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:21.000 being the back did you 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:25.000 have discussion over perhaps certainly entertaining them 01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:27.279 and we currently have 01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:31.359 standards that that accomplish those same goals within sub 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:33.199 chapter 13 we have 01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:36.050 requirements for of course buffering between uses we 01:51:36.050 --> 01:51:37.279 already require that 01:51:37.279 --> 01:51:40.460 docs not be accessible or visible directly from the street 01:51:40.460 --> 01:51:41.479 so all of those 01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:44.430 same things are accomplished just in other places in the 01:51:44.430 --> 01:51:45.680 code okay so 01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:49.260 redundant yeah we're not removing any protections there 01:51:49.260 --> 01:51:49.960 necessarily by 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:52.779 eliminating the location okay and then the way I read this 01:51:52.779 --> 01:51:53.720 is this limitation 01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:58.539 wasn't just two buildings that were 150,000 square feet it 01:51:58.539 --> 01:51:59.039 's just they 01:51:59.039 --> 01:52:02.439 couldn't be over 150,000 square feet exactly so I don't 01:52:02.439 --> 01:52:03.640 quite follow the map 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:08.840 thing because so really we're removing any this from any 01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:10.079 distribution center of 01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:13.720 any size yes the intent with that exercise was just to see 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:14.880 at what point 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.430 would you start being limited so if you did have a property 01:52:17.430 --> 01:52:18.640 that was 5.2 acres 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:20.829 that's when we would start seeing this because any site 01:52:20.829 --> 01:52:21.680 smaller than that 01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:27.079 couldn't even hold a facility that would this would apply 01:52:27.079 --> 01:52:29.199 to okay okay thank you 01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:37.850 any other questions for Haley okay thank you this is a 01:52:37.850 --> 01:52:40.039 public hearing so if 01:52:40.039 --> 01:52:42.069 there's anyone who would like to speak on this item please 01:52:42.069 --> 01:52:42.720 come forward at this 01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:49.989 time seeing none will close the public hearing and open the 01:52:49.989 --> 01:52:50.479 floor for 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:53.479 discussion or motion 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:58.520 Commissioner Smith thank you chair motion approved DCA 18 - 01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:00.319 0 0 0 2 okay 01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:03.920 Commissioner back second okay we have a first and a second 01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:05.199 for approval any 01:53:05.199 --> 01:53:12.960 further discussion seeing none of clothes and call for a 01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:15.560 vote on the board 01:53:21.479 --> 01:53:25.279 most is going to carry seven zero and we'll move us to our 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:28.760 project matrix for 01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:31.279 this evening 01:53:34.039 --> 01:53:37.539 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair well I'm going to bring 01:53:37.539 --> 01:53:39.960 up that notification 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:39.960 practice once again here as some questions came to light 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:46.079 today so I guess 01:53:46.079 --> 01:53:51.289 I want to know who currently enforces it is that something 01:53:51.289 --> 01:53:52.039 that maybe we can have 01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:56.489 a discussion about to know how that is enforced and then I 01:53:56.489 --> 01:53:57.560 know we have an 01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:01.430 affidavit I believe that the applicant is supposed to 01:54:01.430 --> 01:54:03.520 supply to the city can we 01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:06.090 maybe get that in our backup materials that that was 01:54:06.090 --> 01:54:07.319 received or get a copy of 01:54:07.319 --> 01:54:10.510 it or something I know I don't want to be the sign police 01:54:10.510 --> 01:54:11.760 even though I do drive 01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:16.970 by all of our you know zoning issues but I would like to 01:54:16.970 --> 01:54:18.960 know and you know who 01:54:18.960 --> 01:54:22.539 is enforcing that so that things are properly done 01:54:22.539 --> 01:54:24.000 certainly and it's our 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:26.829 responsibility to to to police that in this regard I 01:54:26.829 --> 01:54:28.279 believe in this specific 01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:32.829 case I believe they did submit an affidavit I can't tell 01:54:32.829 --> 01:54:33.840 you I have 01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:38.340 already updated the application and criteria as far as what 01:54:38.340 --> 01:54:38.800 needs to be 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:44.279 posted and how and I sent that to to all of staff tonight 01:54:44.279 --> 01:54:45.760 and we will be 01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.670 reviewing that Monday morning at our staff meeting and so 01:54:48.670 --> 01:54:49.720 once we finalize 01:54:49.720 --> 01:54:52.810 that I will include that in the packet for the next PNC 01:54:52.810 --> 01:54:54.359 meeting to review okay 01:54:54.359 --> 01:54:57.550 thank you can I ask one more question if if an applicant 01:54:57.550 --> 01:54:59.000 submits an affidavit 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:03.170 which is a notarized document and it is it compliant I mean 01:55:03.170 --> 01:55:04.079 is there a do we 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:08.550 have a penalty or is there there's a requirement that it 01:55:08.550 --> 01:55:09.399 needs to be 01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:15.960 submitted prior to the to the meeting the way it's written 01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:16.640 unfortunately it's 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:22.479 not a code requirement and so there's there's not a it's 01:55:22.479 --> 01:55:23.760 not as tight as it 01:55:23.760 --> 01:55:25.789 should be I mean there's not there's simply no other way to 01:55:25.789 --> 01:55:27.239 put it so the the 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:31.409 what I attempted to do this evening is working to sort of 01:55:31.409 --> 01:55:32.960 clarify that where 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:36.630 staff will be designating exactly where those signs need to 01:55:36.630 --> 01:55:38.000 be located they'll 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:41.029 still be responsible for putting them up but we will be 01:55:41.029 --> 01:55:42.560 able to tell them exactly 01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.989 where to put them and how they need to be placed thank you 01:55:44.989 --> 01:55:45.840 I look forward to 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:48.220 that update because I know we've made such good progress 01:55:48.220 --> 01:55:49.239 forward I don't want 01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:52.560 to go backwards now especially on something this absolutely 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:53.399 simple thank 01:55:53.399 --> 01:55:55.800 you 01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:05.659 anything else on the matrix this evening okay with that I 01:56:05.659 --> 01:56:08.039 will close this at 7 10 01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:10.920 thank you everyone