WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.460 - Good morning and welcome to this meeting 00:00:03.460 --> 00:00:05.740 of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton. 00:00:05.740 --> 00:00:08.380 We have a quorum, we have a full house. 00:00:08.380 --> 00:00:10.900 And so we'll call the meeting to order. 00:00:10.900 --> 00:00:13.540 Our first item for individual consideration, 00:00:13.540 --> 00:00:15.260 item A, consider approval of the minutes 00:00:15.260 --> 00:00:18.820 of July 21st and September 15th, 2021. 00:00:18.820 --> 00:00:20.780 I'll entertain a motion. 00:00:20.780 --> 00:00:21.940 Council Member Maguire. 00:00:21.940 --> 00:00:25.260 - I move approval of the minutes 00:00:25.260 --> 00:00:28.540 from July 21st and September 15th. 00:00:28.540 --> 00:00:29.780 - I second. 00:00:29.780 --> 00:00:31.380 - All in favor? 00:00:31.380 --> 00:00:32.220 - Aye. 00:00:32.220 --> 00:00:33.040 - Aye. 00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:34.640 - Okay, minutes are approved. 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.740 Moving on to item B, receive a report 00:00:37.740 --> 00:00:39.860 and hold the discussion regarding City of Denton 00:00:39.860 --> 00:00:43.300 transportation slash mobility project status report. 00:00:43.300 --> 00:00:49.300 - Yes, sir, I'm gonna ask Mr. Polster to come to the podium. 00:00:49.300 --> 00:00:53.620 - Good morning, my name is John Polster 00:00:53.620 --> 00:00:55.540 with Innovative Transportation Solutions 00:00:55.540 --> 00:00:59.760 and I'll be giving you the mobility report. 00:00:59.760 --> 00:01:01.380 This morning. 00:01:01.380 --> 00:01:06.380 So we'll scroll to, let's do this. 00:01:06.380 --> 00:01:09.940 We're gonna make it a little smaller. 00:01:09.940 --> 00:01:14.740 So this is the 2181 North South project 00:01:14.740 --> 00:01:16.180 that you all are familiar with. 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:21.180 We are still looking at a July of 22 completion date. 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.700 This is the tech start report here. 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:25.220 And again, if you have any issues 00:01:25.220 --> 00:01:27.820 that you see while you're out there driving, 00:01:27.820 --> 00:01:31.920 this report gives you Stacy Clark's cell number 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.540 and he's the project manager on this. 00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:37.540 So if you see things you need or wanna talk to him about, 00:01:37.540 --> 00:01:39.620 you can either talk to staff 00:01:39.620 --> 00:01:42.040 or you can call him directly if you want. 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:46.100 The critical path item here is that we're trying 00:01:46.100 --> 00:01:51.100 at the end of October to get the switch 00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:53.580 to the next phase on this project. 00:01:53.580 --> 00:01:57.860 And that October deadline is the critical timeframe on this. 00:01:57.860 --> 00:01:59.660 If we can hit that October timeline, 00:01:59.660 --> 00:02:04.660 then the sound wall can be addressed after that 00:02:04.660 --> 00:02:07.460 and a lot of the other issues that we're waiting on 00:02:07.460 --> 00:02:08.300 can be dealt with. 00:02:08.300 --> 00:02:11.460 So for this project, there are milestones 00:02:11.460 --> 00:02:14.000 and if we hit that, and it looks like we will, 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:19.240 if we hit that end of October traffic switch, 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:20.420 then we got a pretty good chance 00:02:20.420 --> 00:02:24.340 of making the project complete on time in July 22. 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:33.660 Okay, this is the 35E Mayhill interchange. 00:02:33.660 --> 00:02:38.380 We are working on the plan set 00:02:38.380 --> 00:02:41.980 and we have plans anticipated to be provided 00:02:41.980 --> 00:02:46.360 to all the stakeholders at the end of this month. 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.800 You'll note that on this report, 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:53.420 all of the numbers are, construction dollars 00:02:53.420 --> 00:02:55.280 are all changed now and they're highlighted. 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:56.460 And remember, I've been telling you 00:02:56.460 --> 00:02:59.860 the last two or three months, they've been inflated 00:02:59.860 --> 00:03:03.140 for accounting reasons and now they're back to me, 00:03:03.140 --> 00:03:04.620 they would put them back to the real number. 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:08.500 So they've all dropped down to the real number 00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:09.480 that it was supposed to be. 00:03:09.480 --> 00:03:11.380 So that's why they're all highlighted. 00:03:11.380 --> 00:03:19.300 - Is that due to like actual changes in commodities prices? 00:03:19.300 --> 00:03:24.300 - No ma'am, last year, so Texas has a 10 year mobility plan. 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:28.380 Well, they have a 20 year UTP, 00:03:28.380 --> 00:03:33.380 but a 10 year focused mobility plan. 00:03:33.380 --> 00:03:38.460 And they never know what projects are gonna finish on time 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:39.620 and which we're gonna start. 00:03:39.620 --> 00:03:43.500 So they always have a surplus of projects in each year 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:45.760 'cause they don't always let on time. 00:03:45.760 --> 00:03:48.960 And so they don't balance by year. 00:03:49.580 --> 00:03:54.660 For whatever reason, last year, the feds, FHWA came back 00:03:54.660 --> 00:03:57.580 and said, hey, your 10 year plan balances over 10, 00:03:57.580 --> 00:04:00.140 but your first four years are over programmed. 00:04:00.140 --> 00:04:05.140 So you have to go now and reprogram those projects 00:04:05.140 --> 00:04:08.620 so that they're balanced per year. 00:04:08.620 --> 00:04:12.540 And when they did that, they found that some of the districts 00:04:12.540 --> 00:04:15.740 in Houston, San Antonio and Austin, 00:04:15.740 --> 00:04:20.740 they weren't logging these projects for year of let. 00:04:20.740 --> 00:04:25.100 So we're talking about something that's gonna let in 2025, 00:04:25.100 --> 00:04:28.740 the Dallas district, they do a escalation on the cost 00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:30.580 to try to hit that 2025 mark. 00:04:30.580 --> 00:04:32.900 They don't use the unit prices for today 00:04:32.900 --> 00:04:34.800 'cause that's not gonna work. 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.020 But the other districts weren't doing that. 00:04:37.020 --> 00:04:41.620 So they made them roll in a 3% increase per year 00:04:41.620 --> 00:04:46.620 for four years or whatever, and that over-inflated 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:48.500 the Dallas district projects, 00:04:48.500 --> 00:04:50.340 but we had to follow the rules. 00:04:50.340 --> 00:04:54.460 Now it's done, they've rescinded their requirement 00:04:54.460 --> 00:04:57.380 and we're back to the old numbers. 00:04:57.380 --> 00:05:01.340 - Can I ask a question, please? 00:05:01.340 --> 00:05:06.340 I'm looking over here on the first page, the main page, 00:05:06.340 --> 00:05:09.500 and it says something about a row. 00:05:09.500 --> 00:05:12.220 There are 43 total parcels. 00:05:12.220 --> 00:05:17.220 There are two parcels in appraisal, three parcels in ED. 00:05:17.220 --> 00:05:19.700 What does ED mean? 00:05:19.700 --> 00:05:22.860 - Imminent domain. 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:26.540 So what happens is it's all, they're all being acquired 00:05:26.540 --> 00:05:28.100 through imminent domain proceedings. 00:05:28.100 --> 00:05:29.580 That's actually a misnomer. 00:05:29.580 --> 00:05:31.220 That means that they're in condemnation. 00:05:31.220 --> 00:05:34.580 That means that the two parties couldn't agree on a value 00:05:34.580 --> 00:05:37.020 so they just take it to a commissioner's hearing. 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:41.340 So we're letting somebody else decide the value. 00:05:41.340 --> 00:05:45.900 Hopefully that will be on the glossary 00:05:45.900 --> 00:05:47.180 with my check in a minute. 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:50.300 If not, it will be. 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:53.220 You'll always catch something on these things. 00:05:53.220 --> 00:05:58.460 So the Mayo project, we are looking at a ready to let 00:05:58.460 --> 00:06:00.120 of September 23. 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.900 We're working closely with TechStat 00:06:01.900 --> 00:06:06.140 both on the additional scope of this project 00:06:06.140 --> 00:06:07.740 and the impact of the utilities. 00:06:07.740 --> 00:06:12.740 We're meeting regularly to ensure that we coordinate 00:06:12.740 --> 00:06:14.340 with the state and the state's committed 00:06:14.340 --> 00:06:17.300 that if there's anything in the state's design 00:06:17.300 --> 00:06:20.980 that impacts the city's utilities to the extent they can, 00:06:20.980 --> 00:06:23.740 they'll redo the design to minimize the impact 00:06:23.740 --> 00:06:26.580 on the city's utilities to help them make the deadlines. 00:06:26.580 --> 00:06:31.420 There's a lot of utilities. 00:06:33.220 --> 00:06:37.580 So you're at 35E, 35W merge. 00:06:37.580 --> 00:06:41.140 Again, the dollars are changed to the actuals. 00:06:41.140 --> 00:06:43.020 They've come down. 00:06:43.020 --> 00:06:47.060 This project has got a ready to let date of August 23. 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:51.660 The design is not part of the critical path item. 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:54.100 The right of way and the utility relocations 00:06:54.100 --> 00:06:56.580 are the critical path item. 00:06:56.580 --> 00:06:59.940 We just got the right of way finished in this corridor. 00:07:01.380 --> 00:07:05.340 I think it said, yeah, this month. 00:07:05.340 --> 00:07:09.300 So we're now moving full into utility relocations 00:07:09.300 --> 00:07:11.640 and there are a lot of utility relocations 00:07:11.640 --> 00:07:13.260 on this section of road. 00:07:13.260 --> 00:07:16.460 As you can see, there's a lot. 00:07:16.460 --> 00:07:21.180 And so again, working with TechStat to partner 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:25.180 with the city to find a way to minimize 00:07:25.180 --> 00:07:27.340 if at all possible the impacts. 00:07:27.340 --> 00:07:30.820 And then if we can't, then try to coordinate 00:07:30.820 --> 00:07:35.340 as timely as we can with the state on any impacts on those. 00:07:35.340 --> 00:07:38.220 And the things that are highlighted 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:41.360 are things that we noted from the last meeting. 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.760 Everybody seems to be playing nice right now. 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:48.660 Okay, y'all see out there, right? 00:07:48.660 --> 00:07:50.700 They already got the sub grades done. 00:07:50.700 --> 00:07:54.580 They got the ramps taken out on the on ramp. 00:07:54.580 --> 00:07:57.940 And I saw them where they already have the pavement down 00:07:57.940 --> 00:08:00.420 or the sub grade for the exit. 00:08:00.420 --> 00:08:04.420 And I do believe that although we're sticking to right now, 00:08:04.420 --> 00:08:07.220 you'll see that it says January. 00:08:07.220 --> 00:08:08.980 The last month it was February. 00:08:08.980 --> 00:08:13.620 And I think that will even be January on this project. 00:08:13.620 --> 00:08:18.620 But yeah, it'll be maybe it'll be a good Christmas present 00:08:18.620 --> 00:08:21.700 for all of us. 00:08:21.700 --> 00:08:24.020 - I'm pretty sure it said January last time. 00:08:24.020 --> 00:08:24.940 - Okay, well. 00:08:24.940 --> 00:08:26.820 - But I'm glad it still says January. 00:08:26.820 --> 00:08:28.380 - Okay, well, it's highlighted. 00:08:28.380 --> 00:08:33.020 So that tells me that my staff is smarter than I am. 00:08:33.020 --> 00:08:35.140 If it's highlighted, that means it changed from something. 00:08:35.140 --> 00:08:37.580 - I will refer you to the tapes. 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:41.740 I guarantee you I've said to you before January, 2022. 00:08:41.740 --> 00:08:45.340 - So I'm saying December is substantially complete, 00:08:45.340 --> 00:08:46.980 which means you can drive on illegally. 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:47.800 - That's great. 00:08:47.800 --> 00:08:48.860 I'm really glad to see it. - And I get arrested. 00:08:48.860 --> 00:08:49.700 - Thanks, John. 00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:54.780 - And then your 35 North project again, 00:08:54.780 --> 00:08:57.580 it went from like eight something down to 763. 00:08:57.580 --> 00:09:01.540 And I've always wondered if we had it before, 00:09:01.540 --> 00:09:03.500 why can't we keep the Delta, right? 00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:06.660 And it just goes away, I don't know where it goes. 00:09:06.660 --> 00:09:07.740 Uh-oh. 00:09:07.740 --> 00:09:10.220 So again, this project is gonna be done in three segments, 00:09:10.220 --> 00:09:12.220 not because there's any need for it, 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:13.900 except that they wanna keep the dollar amount 00:09:13.900 --> 00:09:16.580 per contract below a certain level. 00:09:16.580 --> 00:09:20.780 We are still working on a December 23 ready to let date. 00:09:20.780 --> 00:09:23.340 The reason you see let dates that are different 00:09:23.340 --> 00:09:25.880 than the ready to let is 'cause some of these dollars 00:09:25.880 --> 00:09:29.940 are large and those dollars are plugged into a certain year 00:09:29.940 --> 00:09:32.020 in that 10 year plan. 00:09:32.020 --> 00:09:37.020 And as we get closer to 23, if we think we can move it up, 00:09:37.020 --> 00:09:40.620 they'll look to see if there's any other projects 00:09:40.620 --> 00:09:43.340 that fell out that allow them to bring it up. 00:09:43.340 --> 00:09:45.940 'Cause they don't like to have projects 00:09:45.940 --> 00:09:47.300 sitting on the shelf too long. 00:09:47.300 --> 00:09:50.140 And again, acquiring right away 00:09:50.140 --> 00:09:52.540 and we're work starting the coordination with utilities 00:09:52.540 --> 00:09:57.340 and there are utilities on this section as well. 00:09:57.340 --> 00:10:00.660 It's less impacting than once you get past, 00:10:00.660 --> 00:10:05.100 say like Mylam Road, it's other people's problems 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:08.020 and we're working with them on that as well. 00:10:08.020 --> 00:10:12.060 - John, what is that realistically gonna do to the traffic? 00:10:12.060 --> 00:10:16.960 Is it gonna basically wrap people over to Bonnie Bray 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.520 or during the construction? 00:10:21.020 --> 00:10:24.660 - Yeah, well that's why we're trying to get Bonnie Bray 00:10:24.660 --> 00:10:25.900 in all those segments done. 00:10:25.900 --> 00:10:27.860 It's proven a little bit more difficult 00:10:27.860 --> 00:10:32.020 because of the cost of things and COVID didn't help 00:10:32.020 --> 00:10:35.140 and a lot of the funding shortfalls showed up. 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:37.660 But it's been the intent for the city, 00:10:37.660 --> 00:10:40.620 especially on the Wishbone project 00:10:40.620 --> 00:10:42.460 to give them an alternate route. 00:10:42.460 --> 00:10:45.100 But it's gonna be tight. 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:50.080 What may end up happening 'cause that's the way my luck runs 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.660 is they'll both be under construction at the same time. 00:10:52.660 --> 00:10:56.500 - Well, if we get close to that situation, 00:10:56.500 --> 00:11:00.300 would we have any ability to put the brakes here, 00:11:00.300 --> 00:11:01.300 put the gas there? 00:11:01.300 --> 00:11:06.300 - Yeah, so I'm gonna say no, not me, but the process. 00:11:06.300 --> 00:11:11.580 If the money's there for the project, 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:14.100 the state's gonna let the project when it's ready. 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:17.140 I'm pretty certain that we can coordinate some of that. 00:11:17.140 --> 00:11:20.060 But with the city's got a CIP program, 00:11:20.060 --> 00:11:23.740 with a certain dollar amount they gotta spend annually, 00:11:23.740 --> 00:11:26.340 and that's scheduled for that time, 00:11:26.340 --> 00:11:30.520 I think that it's gonna be hard to not do it. 00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:33.640 And this is not unusual. 00:11:33.640 --> 00:11:37.860 For in the 2000s, we had Flower Mound 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:40.460 and Highland Village totally destroyed. 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:45.180 And then you couldn't go on 407, 3040, 1171, 2499, 00:11:45.180 --> 00:11:48.100 'cause they were all under construction at the same time. 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:49.860 We knew that was gonna happen. 00:11:49.860 --> 00:11:53.060 And then they had two million feet of retail 00:11:53.060 --> 00:11:54.980 that was coming in at those corners. 00:11:54.980 --> 00:11:58.060 And it just was something you just had to bear 00:11:58.060 --> 00:12:02.100 because that's just how timing on 'em hit. 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:05.100 - Just seems like if we see something stupid 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:07.500 it's about to happen and we know it. 00:12:07.500 --> 00:12:10.060 And it's happened before that, 00:12:10.060 --> 00:12:14.340 and we have a good speaking relationship with TXDOT 00:12:14.340 --> 00:12:19.340 that maybe we could not just be a victim, I don't know. 00:12:20.020 --> 00:12:24.820 So this project is the Bismarck, 00:12:24.820 --> 00:12:25.640 or whatever you wanna call it. 00:12:25.640 --> 00:12:27.300 It's not gonna change. 00:12:27.300 --> 00:12:28.980 Everything around it's gonna have to change 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:31.580 'cause that's almost a billion dollar job 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:33.820 that's gonna let when it lets. 00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:35.300 It's kind of on its own steam. 00:12:35.300 --> 00:12:38.620 So everything else around it has to kind of adapt. 00:12:38.620 --> 00:12:42.260 - Well, I wasn't saying which thing to put the gas on 00:12:42.260 --> 00:12:46.260 or which to put the brakes on, but you get it. 00:12:46.260 --> 00:12:47.100 - We're working it. 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:50.060 I mean, that's been the staff's fear all along 00:12:50.060 --> 00:12:52.700 is that you're gonna have everything banged up 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:53.740 at the same time. 00:12:53.740 --> 00:12:58.740 And we were trying to, it says it's 24, 25. 00:12:58.740 --> 00:13:05.020 If we end up, it may on its own slow down, right? 00:13:05.020 --> 00:13:09.220 Because it's a behemoth of a job. 00:13:09.220 --> 00:13:13.860 - I guess I'm just putting a marker on it 00:13:13.860 --> 00:13:17.860 that we see a traffic accident up ahead. 00:13:17.860 --> 00:13:19.820 How do you adjust your driving now? 00:13:19.820 --> 00:13:23.860 And you have, I think probably personally 00:13:23.860 --> 00:13:27.540 made the 380 thing happen. 00:13:27.540 --> 00:13:29.420 So I know that you can be very effective. 00:13:29.420 --> 00:13:30.820 Oh, pardon me. - I think you did. 00:13:30.820 --> 00:13:32.220 - As part of a team effort. 00:13:32.220 --> 00:13:33.260 - Yeah, we're a team. 00:13:33.260 --> 00:13:34.500 We're a good team. 00:13:34.500 --> 00:13:39.500 - So I'm just underscoring this traffic accident 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:42.500 I see down the road. 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:43.340 - Yes, sir. 00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:46.060 - Well, and to that end, 00:13:46.060 --> 00:13:49.900 could you speak to the planning 00:13:49.900 --> 00:13:52.460 of those final Bonnie Bray phases 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:55.340 and how that might interact with this project? 00:13:55.340 --> 00:13:56.180 - It's in the report. 00:13:56.180 --> 00:13:58.060 Can we get, you wanna do them now 00:13:58.060 --> 00:13:59.580 or 'cause we're gonna get to them in a second. 00:13:59.580 --> 00:14:01.380 - Oh, right, no, okay, that's fine. 00:14:01.380 --> 00:14:04.700 - I get confused if I get out of order. 00:14:04.700 --> 00:14:05.540 - Sorry. 00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:12.260 - So, December 23, but as you know, 00:14:12.260 --> 00:14:14.460 most projects don't meet their let dates. 00:14:14.460 --> 00:14:15.740 Sometimes they slide. 00:14:15.740 --> 00:14:19.660 So there's a good chance that gravity will take care of it. 00:14:19.660 --> 00:14:23.180 All right, then in your 35 W main lanes, 00:14:23.180 --> 00:14:25.140 again, we're not gonna talk about those today 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:27.420 'cause we're not intending to build them. 00:14:27.420 --> 00:14:29.500 Once we got them cleared, 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:32.220 we moved into the Furniture Road project. 00:14:32.220 --> 00:14:37.220 We are, let's see, HNTB has been hired 00:14:41.780 --> 00:14:46.460 to do the design for this 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:48.500 and they've already started working on 00:14:48.500 --> 00:14:50.340 or completed the IJR, 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:53.300 which is the Interstate Access Justification Report 00:14:53.300 --> 00:14:56.340 and I'm certain that should be in the glossary if it's not. 00:14:56.340 --> 00:14:59.220 And so the intent right now 00:14:59.220 --> 00:15:04.220 is to do the northern half of the project from 407 North. 00:15:04.220 --> 00:15:10.140 We are having some conversations 00:15:10.140 --> 00:15:14.140 with some of the developments down there, 00:15:14.140 --> 00:15:15.260 Hillwood in particular, 00:15:15.260 --> 00:15:19.420 and they're wanting to expedite some of the infrastructure 00:15:19.420 --> 00:15:22.300 and we haven't really figured out yet how to, 00:15:22.300 --> 00:15:23.500 I'm sure there's a way to do it, 00:15:23.500 --> 00:15:25.660 but they wanna be able to expedite it. 00:15:25.660 --> 00:15:28.420 Of course, they wanna get paid back, 00:15:28.420 --> 00:15:30.340 but we'll have to figure that out. 00:15:30.340 --> 00:15:33.420 But the intent is 407 North on the Furniture Roads. 00:15:36.620 --> 00:15:40.260 And we're shooting for that 24 let date. 00:15:40.260 --> 00:15:41.100 - Thank you, Tom, excuse me. 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:44.340 I just wanna make sure you took my tone right. 00:15:44.340 --> 00:15:45.780 No aspersion on you. 00:15:45.780 --> 00:15:47.340 No aspersion on you even slightly. 00:15:47.340 --> 00:15:49.140 - Yes, sir. - Yeah, okay, thanks. 00:15:49.140 --> 00:15:59.340 - The US38377 project, again, it's under construction. 00:15:59.340 --> 00:16:02.780 The Techstart report indicates that 00:16:04.420 --> 00:16:08.140 they're currently working on the first phase of the project 00:16:08.140 --> 00:16:13.140 and the shifts in traffic have gone well 00:16:13.140 --> 00:16:19.300 and they are putting up the additional traffic control signs 00:16:19.300 --> 00:16:24.300 for the narrow lanes and 50 mile an hour speed message board. 00:16:24.300 --> 00:16:27.300 And again, this is the scenario where once they get 00:16:27.300 --> 00:16:31.440 the shoring up of the abutments of the bridge structures, 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.440 they're gonna look at coming in with temporary barriers 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.780 across the lake bridges because these accidents 00:16:37.780 --> 00:16:40.700 that are occurring are crossover accidents. 00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:44.740 But as soon as the ordinances are passed, 00:16:44.740 --> 00:16:46.740 the statutory signs will go up, 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:50.100 the advisory will come down and we'll go from there. 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:55.080 But it's still on track for November 23 completion. 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.580 US388, we're still essentially, 00:16:57.580 --> 00:17:01.180 it's been awarded to the contractor, 00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:04.620 but we're essentially still working on some utilities. 00:17:04.620 --> 00:17:06.020 It has a delayed start. 00:17:06.020 --> 00:17:08.820 Zachary was the low bidder. 00:17:08.820 --> 00:17:12.160 It has a delayed start till December or January. 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:16.380 And so once we get that information, 00:17:16.380 --> 00:17:21.380 we will change this to construction completion. 00:17:21.380 --> 00:17:24.460 And we'll know it because they're saying 00:17:24.460 --> 00:17:27.180 that their barricades, they're assuming 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:30.380 that there'll be about 36 months of barricades. 00:17:30.380 --> 00:17:32.580 So they're thinking it's a three-year job, 00:17:32.580 --> 00:17:36.200 which I can see that because the utilities alone are gonna, 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.820 even though they're supposed to be gone, 00:17:38.820 --> 00:17:41.400 they're never always, ever always gone. 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:48.020 So we are in negotiations, 00:17:48.020 --> 00:17:49.740 and we'll probably have the conversation today 00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:51.440 at one o'clock with TechStat. 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:56.220 We are in negotiations with TechStat to pick up 00:17:56.220 --> 00:18:01.220 the next phase of study on 380, 00:18:01.220 --> 00:18:04.140 which is an environmental document. 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:09.100 I can tell you that Denton County is putting on there, 00:18:09.100 --> 00:18:12.460 I think it's probably next Tuesday's court agenda, 00:18:12.460 --> 00:18:17.460 an RFQ to begin the environmental clearance 00:18:17.460 --> 00:18:19.420 on the outer loop, which is up there 00:18:19.420 --> 00:18:22.820 on the northern part of the yellow box, 00:18:22.820 --> 00:18:26.300 and the environmental for adding frontage roads 00:18:26.300 --> 00:18:29.740 to loop 288 in that brown section. 00:18:29.740 --> 00:18:34.260 So both in the cities and the county thoroughfare plan, 00:18:34.260 --> 00:18:38.220 loop 288 in that segment is a freeway 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:40.020 functional classification, 00:18:40.020 --> 00:18:43.340 consistent with what the 288 West is. 00:18:43.340 --> 00:18:45.980 So what you have out there right now, 00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:49.360 for all intent and purposes, are main lanes. 00:18:49.360 --> 00:18:52.940 And what we're gonna do is clear the frontage roads. 00:18:52.940 --> 00:18:55.220 We can come back in and put frontage roads. 00:18:55.220 --> 00:18:59.420 So that quadrant, there's a lot of pressure 00:18:59.420 --> 00:19:01.260 to develop that quadrant right now. 00:19:01.260 --> 00:19:03.100 And with the frontage roads in place, 00:19:03.100 --> 00:19:04.860 that'll allow that development to occur 00:19:04.860 --> 00:19:06.460 without impacting the main lanes. 00:19:06.460 --> 00:19:15.700 Loop 288 West, we have Ching Patel on contract now. 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:19.660 We still need to get a kickoff meeting 00:19:19.660 --> 00:19:21.740 and it's just been a little bit difficult 00:19:21.740 --> 00:19:25.500 because of some of the coordination with some of their subs, 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:29.920 but that kickoff meeting essentially is to sit down 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:34.740 with Ching Patel, TxDOT and the city of Denton staff, 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:39.340 and just find out, 'cause this is essentially, 00:19:39.340 --> 00:19:43.100 what TxDOT wants to make sure is that they get this right 00:19:43.100 --> 00:19:47.900 for the city, 'cause this is your development corridor. 00:19:47.900 --> 00:19:50.860 And so they wanna make sure that what they're planning 00:19:50.860 --> 00:19:54.160 on doing is consistent with what the city wants in that area. 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:58.980 But they are on contract by the county 00:19:58.980 --> 00:20:03.980 and the same with 1515, they're on contract 00:20:03.980 --> 00:20:09.780 and we are working to set up the pre-con on this one as well 00:20:09.780 --> 00:20:12.420 and they'll also include the city. 00:20:13.940 --> 00:20:16.700 That RFQ that's gonna have the outer loop 00:20:16.700 --> 00:20:21.700 and 288 Northeast will also include the PSNE, 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:27.020 the plan specifications and estimates for FM 1173 00:20:27.020 --> 00:20:31.660 and we put it on the street to select a firm 00:20:31.660 --> 00:20:34.820 and it should be on the court's agenda next Tuesday, 00:20:34.820 --> 00:20:37.180 I think, 'cause I submitted it last week. 00:20:37.180 --> 00:20:40.340 So the county will be picking up the design 00:20:40.340 --> 00:20:44.780 on this section of 1173. 00:20:44.780 --> 00:20:53.180 Okay, on the Locus, I think the city and TxDOT coordinated 00:20:53.180 --> 00:20:58.660 on the locations for the cores. 00:20:58.660 --> 00:21:02.660 I think that went, I didn't hear anybody 00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:06.340 say they broke anything, so I would say that went well. 00:21:06.340 --> 00:21:10.740 So now they're going back and analyzing what's out there 00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:13.140 and we'll be talking about it again today 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:14.980 at our one o'clock meeting 00:21:14.980 --> 00:21:19.980 and I'm sure we'll provide you some additional information 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:23.140 on that in your Friday update based on that meeting 00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:24.920 on where we are on this one. 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:33.540 And acronyms, okay, and then IJR. 00:21:34.580 --> 00:21:37.140 (indistinct) 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:40.780 So condomation is a tool used under eminent domain. 00:21:40.780 --> 00:21:43.200 (indistinct) 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:49.940 Yeah, yeah, that's what TxDOT uses those terms, yes ma'am. 00:21:49.940 --> 00:21:52.700 - Sorry, what I was saying was in this document, 00:21:52.700 --> 00:21:54.420 when you use the phrase eminent domain, 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:55.820 you're referring to parcels that are going 00:21:55.820 --> 00:21:57.420 through the condemnation process. 00:21:57.420 --> 00:22:02.420 - Yes ma'am, I do, I should probably amplify. 00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:04.420 - That's kind of the common usage. 00:22:04.420 --> 00:22:09.420 - Yes sir, I'm a stickler, no I'm not, okay. 00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:12.300 I think I'm done and I was told to hurry up, 00:22:12.300 --> 00:22:15.800 so I was gonna see if there was any questions 00:22:15.800 --> 00:22:16.640 but I really don't mean it. 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:20.260 - No, no, that was about Bonnie Bray, to hurry that up. 00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:21.980 - Oh, I thought it, I forgot it. 00:22:21.980 --> 00:22:23.380 - I'm just kidding. 00:22:23.380 --> 00:22:25.660 - This is the on system, I'm sorry. 00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:28.580 - Yeah, no problem, I'm actually gonna ask Rachel 00:22:28.580 --> 00:22:30.460 to come up and talk to you about Bonnie Bray 00:22:30.460 --> 00:22:32.900 because her team is delivering the Bonnie Bray projects 00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:36.020 and she can talk specifically about the phasing 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:38.380 in much more detailed information. 00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:43.840 - I apologize, I'm gonna use my laptop 00:22:43.840 --> 00:22:45.140 just because there's a lot to cover. 00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:46.980 There are six, actually seven phases 00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:49.380 if you count four and four be a Bonnie Bray. 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.420 So if it's okay with you, I'm just gonna kind of run 00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:53.240 through each of the phases. 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.540 Some of the phases right now, 00:22:54.540 --> 00:22:56.380 we're working on right of way acquisition 00:22:56.380 --> 00:22:58.340 and I will note that right of way acquisition 00:22:58.340 --> 00:23:00.880 has been extremely challenging, 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:02.860 particularly for Bonnie Bray phase six. 00:23:02.860 --> 00:23:04.580 So some of these dates that I'm gonna give you 00:23:04.580 --> 00:23:07.320 are very much preliminary estimates 00:23:07.320 --> 00:23:10.180 based on how things are tracking right now. 00:23:10.180 --> 00:23:13.780 So Bonnie Bray phase one from Roselon to Vintage, 00:23:13.780 --> 00:23:16.540 that is actually nearing substantial completion. 00:23:16.540 --> 00:23:18.380 The project will be completed 00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:19.960 by the end of this calendar year. 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:21.740 We're working on punchless items 00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:23.940 at this point for that phase. 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:27.220 Bonnie Bray phase two from Vintage to US 370, 00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:31.580 I'm sorry, Vintage from US 377 to I-35 West. 00:23:31.580 --> 00:23:33.460 This project is also going to be completed 00:23:33.460 --> 00:23:34.860 by the end of this calendar year. 00:23:34.860 --> 00:23:36.780 So making really great headway there. 00:23:36.780 --> 00:23:39.420 We actually recently met Seth Garcia, 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:41.860 the project manager as well as our inspector, 00:23:41.860 --> 00:23:43.860 met with several of the residents in the area, 00:23:43.860 --> 00:23:46.420 walked through, talked about some of their concerns. 00:23:46.420 --> 00:23:49.020 So making really great headway on that as well. 00:23:49.020 --> 00:23:52.300 - Pardon me, Rachel. - Sure. 00:23:52.300 --> 00:23:54.540 - You're probably aware and I would just have to just 00:23:54.540 --> 00:23:56.620 track back and forth, which I'm happy to do, 00:23:56.620 --> 00:24:01.060 but just how does it line up again with the work on-- 00:24:01.060 --> 00:24:04.120 - So we've got Bonnie Bray phases one, two, and three, 00:24:04.120 --> 00:24:07.100 which are north of I-35, 00:24:07.100 --> 00:24:09.260 and then the rest of the phases are gonna be, 00:24:09.260 --> 00:24:11.500 I'm sorry, I said that the wrong way. 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:14.660 Phases one, two, and three are south of I-35, 00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:19.660 and then phases four B through six are north of I-35. 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:24.100 And so they're all kind of, in a perfect world, 00:24:24.100 --> 00:24:26.540 we wouldn't have had them synchronized the way they are, 00:24:26.540 --> 00:24:28.260 but we needed to sync up, for example, 00:24:28.260 --> 00:24:29.940 Bonnie Bray phase six with the opening 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:31.460 of Denton High School. 00:24:31.460 --> 00:24:34.140 And we also had some funding considerations 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:37.380 that came into play where we needed to complete 00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:39.060 certain segments before others. 00:24:39.060 --> 00:24:42.100 And so they all are interrelated 00:24:42.100 --> 00:24:44.500 and have different kind of spokes 00:24:44.500 --> 00:24:48.140 in terms of how they interact with the I-35 project. 00:24:48.140 --> 00:24:50.680 - Yeah, so at the end of the day, 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:55.680 where do we need to get to be ready for the I-35 in time? 00:24:55.820 --> 00:24:57.140 And what's the key date? 00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:00.420 - So as John mentioned, it is going to be very challenging 00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:02.700 just because we're at different stages 00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:05.740 for each of the phases of the Bonnie Bray project. 00:25:05.740 --> 00:25:08.460 And so we are going to do our best. 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:11.000 We can certainly, as John mentioned, 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.700 the I-35 project obviously has the larger budget, 00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:15.260 and it's something that we don't necessarily 00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:17.980 have any control on the timing on. 00:25:17.980 --> 00:25:20.140 We of course do have control on the timing 00:25:20.140 --> 00:25:21.520 of our Bonnie Bray project. 00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:24.500 Some of those phases do have regional funding 00:25:24.500 --> 00:25:26.860 associated with them and federal funding. 00:25:26.860 --> 00:25:28.900 So some of those phases do need to proceed 00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:30.080 just because we need to make sure 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:32.740 that we're spending those federal and regional dollars. 00:25:32.740 --> 00:25:37.820 - Pardon me, I wasn't really looking at the rationale 00:25:37.820 --> 00:25:40.980 and I'm happy to, since this is a little bit in the future, 00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:44.220 to just ask that, could we look at these items together 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.620 even though one's text on and one's local? 00:25:46.620 --> 00:25:48.940 I mean, next time we look at them, 00:25:48.940 --> 00:25:50.260 so we see holistically. 00:25:50.260 --> 00:25:52.940 - Yeah, we can do a map for you if that's helpful 00:25:52.940 --> 00:25:56.060 and kind of, and show the current timelines 00:25:56.060 --> 00:25:58.540 that we're tracking on if that would be helpful. 00:25:58.540 --> 00:26:03.980 Yeah, I apologize. 00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:05.420 We will certainly have something prepared 00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:07.420 for the next mobility committee meeting. 00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:11.060 - You're doing awesome, just this is a new request. 00:26:11.060 --> 00:26:13.580 But if I may, map is great. 00:26:13.580 --> 00:26:15.820 Different people get information differently. 00:26:15.820 --> 00:26:17.340 I'd kind of like to see the timeline 00:26:17.340 --> 00:26:19.620 so I see, okay, does this one get done 00:26:19.620 --> 00:26:21.340 before that one gets started? 00:26:21.340 --> 00:26:23.720 I know John knows where I'm heading on this. 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.020 - Yeah, and we actually have a map 00:26:25.020 --> 00:26:27.860 that we've shared before inside the actual report 00:26:27.860 --> 00:26:29.780 that John puts together. 00:26:29.780 --> 00:26:33.260 But we took it out of the packet that John puts together 00:26:33.260 --> 00:26:36.060 because it's an off-system roadway instead of an on-system 00:26:36.060 --> 00:26:38.460 and John's report is specifically on-system. 00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:39.300 - Yeah, I get that. 00:26:39.300 --> 00:26:41.300 - But all of the phases of Bonnie Bray, 00:26:41.300 --> 00:26:43.960 we have a map that shows all those phases. 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.720 I will mention that the capital projects delivery team 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.380 is working very hard on getting phase one, two, and three 00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:52.220 completed. 00:26:52.220 --> 00:26:56.340 Phase six is the other phase that's currently in process 00:26:56.340 --> 00:26:58.780 with design and we're running into some obstacles 00:26:58.780 --> 00:27:01.860 related to condemnation. 00:27:01.860 --> 00:27:04.700 And so that is some of the challenges 00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:07.860 but we are syncing up with trying to make sure 00:27:07.860 --> 00:27:09.300 that we get that portion completed 00:27:09.300 --> 00:27:11.380 'cause it's going to be so important 00:27:11.380 --> 00:27:13.660 for the high school in that area. 00:27:13.660 --> 00:27:16.060 And then on phases four and five, 00:27:16.060 --> 00:27:18.500 those are phases that we're currently working with John 00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:19.900 as the county is mentioning 00:27:19.900 --> 00:27:21.580 they're going to be having a bond election 00:27:21.580 --> 00:27:24.180 because those are currently not fully funded projects. 00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.740 So Rachel has all of the information 00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:28.440 that can show you that we can, 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.860 if you're specifically mostly interested in anything north, 00:27:31.860 --> 00:27:36.100 say near the textile location of their regional, 00:27:36.100 --> 00:27:37.600 or I'm sorry, their district office 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:39.660 or local district office, 00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:44.540 we can provide you a map that shows phase four, phase five. 00:27:44.540 --> 00:27:46.980 As you know, there's a major water line project 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:49.300 going on in that area also 00:27:49.300 --> 00:27:51.820 and kind of what the timing of those projects are 00:27:51.820 --> 00:27:55.140 in coordination with the timing of the 35 project. 00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:56.500 - Yeah, that's the key to me. 00:27:56.500 --> 00:28:00.460 I'm more interested, frankly, in the timeline 00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:03.540 rather than the map and looking at them together. 00:28:03.540 --> 00:28:07.460 And ultimately, I just want to be able to understand 00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:09.380 and be able to communicate to others 00:28:09.380 --> 00:28:11.140 that this gets done, 00:28:11.140 --> 00:28:13.140 this is necessary to get done before that 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:15.260 and it's, how tight is it? 00:28:15.260 --> 00:28:18.220 Or are we missing or, that's the key to me. 00:28:18.220 --> 00:28:20.860 - Yeah, and I will just tell you that, you know, 00:28:20.860 --> 00:28:22.820 there could be opportunities where folks will need 00:28:22.820 --> 00:28:24.540 to take alternate routes in this area 00:28:24.540 --> 00:28:25.700 as construction's happening. 00:28:25.700 --> 00:28:27.640 So, you know, thinking through that 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.180 and planning those things, 00:28:29.180 --> 00:28:31.740 I think it's something that we definitely want to do 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:33.780 and be proactive to be able to explain 00:28:33.780 --> 00:28:35.620 the construction situation. 00:28:35.620 --> 00:28:38.060 But I will tell you, just like with Monterrey phase six, 00:28:38.060 --> 00:28:40.660 it does have regional toll funding, as Rachel mentioned. 00:28:40.660 --> 00:28:42.540 So that funding has to be spent 00:28:42.540 --> 00:28:44.180 or we will lose funding. 00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:46.660 So we will run ourselves into a situation 00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:48.400 where more than likely the two areas 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.460 will be under construction at the same time. 00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:53.700 So educating the traveling public 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.220 and making sure that they understand 00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:57.780 there's alternate routes or alternate locations, 00:28:57.780 --> 00:29:00.100 you know, will be something that we want 00:29:00.100 --> 00:29:02.140 to be able to express. 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:03.660 - Yeah, and that's great. 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:05.500 And I need to, you know, we all need to be able 00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:10.340 to communicate why this, like, kind of blatantly not, 00:29:10.340 --> 00:29:14.540 you know, not very hard to explain things is occurring. 00:29:14.540 --> 00:29:16.900 That seems, you know, it's not very intuitive 00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:18.740 that we have to do it because the money's there. 00:29:18.740 --> 00:29:21.180 Well, why isn't the money there when it should be there 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:23.220 instead of just when it happens to be there? 00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:28.100 You know, why doesn't the needs of a community come first, 00:29:28.100 --> 00:29:30.700 you know, rather than just some random reason 00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:32.540 why the money is there at this time? 00:29:32.540 --> 00:29:35.100 You know, that's hard for us. 00:29:35.100 --> 00:29:38.700 You know, so the best we can understand it ourselves 00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:42.540 and be able to communicate how long, what will be done, 00:29:42.540 --> 00:29:44.060 you know, to compensate. 00:29:44.060 --> 00:29:47.540 And ideally, the best we can do to influence the situation 00:29:47.540 --> 00:29:52.540 to make it, you know, less ridiculous feeling 00:29:52.540 --> 00:29:53.860 will be super helpful. - Yeah, and I think, 00:29:53.860 --> 00:29:55.740 you know, TxDOT understands and knows 00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.540 that they're not going to be working on 00:29:57.540 --> 00:30:00.620 every single phase of 35 at the same time. 00:30:00.620 --> 00:30:03.980 A lot of those things will happen with construction phasing. 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:05.820 We're currently working through a lot of that 00:30:05.820 --> 00:30:07.860 with TxDOT right now. 00:30:07.860 --> 00:30:10.780 And then we'll continue throughout the phase 00:30:10.780 --> 00:30:13.580 of each one of those individual portions of the project. 00:30:13.580 --> 00:30:16.620 So definitely understand and we get 00:30:16.620 --> 00:30:18.900 the same questions you do, so we have to be able 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:21.100 to answer those same questions. 00:30:21.100 --> 00:30:24.180 So we understand and we'll work to communicate that. 00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:26.980 So it's been something that has been our goal 00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:29.660 to try to not make happen, but unfortunately, 00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:32.700 due to some of the condemnation situations 00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:35.340 that we're currently in, it is causing a delay 00:30:35.340 --> 00:30:37.460 to the phase six project. 00:30:37.460 --> 00:30:39.500 - No, I think the horse is pretty dead now. 00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:41.620 We've beaten it enough. - Okay, cool. 00:30:41.620 --> 00:30:43.460 Well, we can move on, no problem. 00:30:43.460 --> 00:30:44.300 Thank you, Rachel. - And we do have 00:30:44.300 --> 00:30:47.540 a few other projects that are peripheral to Bonnie Bray 00:30:47.540 --> 00:30:49.220 that we can list in there as well. 00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:50.940 Windsor being a prime example. 00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:52.540 I know we talked about that recently 00:30:52.540 --> 00:30:54.260 during the Westgate presentation. 00:30:54.260 --> 00:30:57.100 So want to make sure you're getting the context 00:30:57.100 --> 00:30:59.900 of all of the streets that kind of spine off of Bonnie Bray 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:01.580 because there are, as you know, 00:31:01.580 --> 00:31:04.260 we have several planned construction projects 00:31:04.260 --> 00:31:06.300 that are going to be in close proximity 00:31:06.300 --> 00:31:07.780 to the I-35 project. 00:31:07.780 --> 00:31:09.820 So we can work on getting that package to you, 00:31:09.820 --> 00:31:12.500 get you some dates, and then also get you that map 00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:14.820 ready by our next mobility committee meeting. 00:31:14.820 --> 00:31:20.300 - Thank you, Rachel. 00:31:20.300 --> 00:31:21.940 - Have we finished the item then? 00:31:21.940 --> 00:31:25.420 Anything else on that item? 00:31:25.420 --> 00:31:26.260 No, we're all good. 00:31:26.260 --> 00:31:27.920 Okay, thank you very much. 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.060 We'll move on to item C. 00:31:31.060 --> 00:31:32.860 I can't wait. 00:31:32.860 --> 00:31:34.460 Receive a report and hold the discussion 00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:36.380 regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation 00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:39.700 Authority, DCTA, and I think we'll probably hear 00:31:39.700 --> 00:31:43.260 an introduction as well of a guest. 00:31:43.260 --> 00:31:47.020 Morning, Gray. 00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:49.260 - Well, good morning, and thank you for this opportunity 00:31:49.260 --> 00:31:50.940 to address the mobility committee. 00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:55.700 It's been a while, probably a year and a half at least 00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:57.300 since we've been face-to-face, 00:31:57.300 --> 00:31:59.340 at least a portion of our faces we can see. 00:31:59.340 --> 00:32:00.580 So thank you for this opportunity. 00:32:00.580 --> 00:32:03.740 Look forward to working with the mobility committee 00:32:03.740 --> 00:32:08.740 and the council as we reshape transit. 00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.900 And I really do appreciate all of the interest 00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:15.060 and the dialogue about transit. 00:32:15.060 --> 00:32:19.980 We are in unprecedented times with COVID, 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.180 certainly has impacted the economy and transit 00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:26.980 and transportation nationwide, frankly worldwide. 00:32:26.980 --> 00:32:31.540 And I see this as a great opportunity to reshape 00:32:31.540 --> 00:32:35.500 the future of our communities, enhancing the livability, 00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:37.580 improving air quality, and ultimately doing 00:32:37.580 --> 00:32:39.900 what we're supposed to do with the tax dollars 00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:43.820 that we receive from you, which is to improve mobility. 00:32:43.820 --> 00:32:46.700 With me today, I'd like to introduce Ms. Brittany Farr. 00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:50.220 She's our new director of government relations. 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:55.220 She comes from DART, has over eight years of experience 00:32:55.220 --> 00:33:00.540 leading strategy and working with the 13 member cities, 00:33:00.820 --> 00:33:04.620 stakeholder communities on all different aspects, 00:33:04.620 --> 00:33:09.220 including social initiatives, mobility, on demand services, 00:33:09.220 --> 00:33:12.380 and of course, the primary functions of DART, 00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:15.220 which is trains and buses and the like. 00:33:15.220 --> 00:33:20.220 So we're very, very happy that she chose to join DCTA 00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:25.740 and she will be my backup and we will team 00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:29.180 to make sure that we can bring important information, 00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:31.980 have discussions with you as we move forward, so. 00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:32.820 - Welcome. 00:33:32.820 --> 00:33:35.100 - Thank you, Brittany. 00:33:35.100 --> 00:33:39.860 Presentation, this looks like the end 00:33:39.860 --> 00:33:42.900 of John Polster's presentation. 00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:46.060 Hold on, let me just exit out of that one. 00:33:46.060 --> 00:33:54.260 Okay, here we go. 00:33:54.260 --> 00:33:55.700 Yeah, got it, thanks. 00:33:55.700 --> 00:33:58.140 Excellent. 00:33:59.020 --> 00:34:01.420 I see those DART skills right away. 00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:02.260 - See that? 00:34:02.260 --> 00:34:03.180 She just jumps in. 00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:07.860 Yeah, absolutely. 00:34:07.860 --> 00:34:11.940 So we request to provide an update on GoZone. 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:15.540 I'll walk you through where we are with GoZone, 00:34:15.540 --> 00:34:17.660 spend a little time on fixed route, 00:34:17.660 --> 00:34:19.780 talk about how the decision-making process 00:34:19.780 --> 00:34:22.340 is gonna happen with the DCTA board 00:34:22.340 --> 00:34:23.980 over the next two board meetings 00:34:23.980 --> 00:34:25.900 and then we'll kind of talk about next steps. 00:34:25.900 --> 00:34:27.980 So with regard to GoZone, 00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:30.820 we launched the service on September 7th. 00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:33.420 Ridership has continued to grow, 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:37.580 as you could expect with any new service 00:34:37.580 --> 00:34:39.660 that you're implementing. 00:34:39.660 --> 00:34:42.700 We will have bumps in the road. 00:34:42.700 --> 00:34:44.420 We've had some of those. 00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:46.300 I'm very confident that we're gonna continue 00:34:46.300 --> 00:34:49.260 to move forward in a very positive direction, 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.900 but you can see some of the highlights of the ridership. 00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:57.380 We are seeing ridership starting to eclipse daily ridership 00:34:57.380 --> 00:34:58.940 on the fixed route bus. 00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:02.460 I'll talk about that in a little bit more detail. 00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:03.780 Average ridership. 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:08.300 We have seen a steady growth in new riders, 00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:11.940 which is interesting to see. 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:14.500 As we continue to come forward, 00:35:14.500 --> 00:35:16.780 you will see some very interesting heat maps 00:35:16.780 --> 00:35:19.900 of how we're starting to see transit and riders 00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:21.300 and where they're coming from. 00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:24.980 And it's just, it's excellent data. 00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:27.020 The visualization really helps to understand 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:30.140 how traffic patterns and people, 00:35:30.140 --> 00:35:33.420 how they're moving about the area are changing. 00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.420 You can see the ridership ratings. 00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:38.340 We do have the ability with the service 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:42.100 to allow customers to provide feedback on the trip. 00:35:42.100 --> 00:35:44.420 So typically in transit, 00:35:44.420 --> 00:35:46.340 you would have to go out and do a survey, 00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:49.180 hire somebody, get feedback. 00:35:49.180 --> 00:35:51.580 This comes in literally every day. 00:35:51.580 --> 00:35:56.580 So we get feedback on how customers feel about the service. 00:35:56.620 --> 00:35:59.940 The average ride duration is under 13 minutes, 00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:01.700 which is excellent. 00:36:01.700 --> 00:36:05.220 And the average travel distance is roughly four miles. 00:36:05.220 --> 00:36:09.540 Sorry about that. 00:36:09.540 --> 00:36:13.060 On the connect side, we're starting to see 00:36:13.060 --> 00:36:15.940 an increase in ridership. 00:36:15.940 --> 00:36:20.300 Connect route service is challenging. 00:36:20.300 --> 00:36:22.020 There's a lot of factors that go into 00:36:22.020 --> 00:36:24.980 what's either causing an increase in ridership, 00:36:24.980 --> 00:36:26.500 downturn in ridership. 00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:28.660 As you were just hearing earlier 00:36:28.660 --> 00:36:31.340 about the construction of Bonnie Bray as an example, 00:36:31.340 --> 00:36:34.820 our fixed route buses, they're very large. 00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:38.660 We have to plan specifically which routes 00:36:38.660 --> 00:36:40.300 and which roads they can go down 00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:42.580 'cause we can't just turn down any and every road. 00:36:42.580 --> 00:36:44.460 So when there's construction on University 00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:47.900 or Bonnie Bray or Hickory or any of these, 00:36:47.900 --> 00:36:51.500 it creates a disruption and a challenge for our operators. 00:36:51.500 --> 00:36:53.860 It also creates a disruption and challenge 00:36:53.860 --> 00:36:56.260 for people that are trying to rely on the service. 00:36:56.260 --> 00:36:58.380 And are expecting to get to school or their jobs. 00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:00.020 And so it is a challenge. 00:37:00.020 --> 00:37:06.140 Compound that issue with COVID with changes 00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:10.020 in retail restaurants and a lot of others. 00:37:10.020 --> 00:37:12.940 It does create a challenge for ridership. 00:37:12.940 --> 00:37:15.980 Nevertheless, ridership is continuing to grow. 00:37:15.980 --> 00:37:19.900 We did have to reduce service on three routes, 00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:23.460 route four here in Denton, route 21 and 22 in Louisville. 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:25.660 That's predominantly because we have a shortage 00:37:25.660 --> 00:37:28.140 of drivers, operators. 00:37:28.140 --> 00:37:32.420 Now that shortage comes in a few flavors. 00:37:32.420 --> 00:37:37.140 One is there's a national shortage, restaurants, retail, 00:37:37.140 --> 00:37:38.900 it also affects transit. 00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:43.100 This is not something that is unique or specific to DCTA. 00:37:43.100 --> 00:37:46.420 All transit authorities are having challenges hiring people 00:37:46.420 --> 00:37:48.860 in all different capacities. 00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:51.100 But operators obviously are very important 00:37:51.100 --> 00:37:53.580 because they're the ones that are out delivering the service. 00:37:53.580 --> 00:37:56.700 We're about 15 operators on average short. 00:37:56.700 --> 00:37:59.420 That means that if we don't have operators, 00:37:59.420 --> 00:38:02.220 we can't pull the buses out, they're not operating. 00:38:02.220 --> 00:38:06.660 It doesn't provide consistency or on time performance. 00:38:06.660 --> 00:38:09.700 So add that on top of road closures 00:38:09.700 --> 00:38:11.660 and you can imagine how challenging that is 00:38:11.660 --> 00:38:15.660 to provide consistent quality service. 00:38:15.660 --> 00:38:20.100 That has also been a challenge with a discussion 00:38:20.100 --> 00:38:23.460 about how much longer we're gonna have fixed routes 00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:25.940 around so as you can imagine, people do not like waiting 00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:27.860 around to find out whether they're gonna have a job 00:38:27.860 --> 00:38:29.420 tomorrow or not. 00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:33.900 So we take all of these things and we're asking our provider 00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:36.660 in TMC to try to hire at the same time 00:38:36.660 --> 00:38:38.740 that we're talking about our routes going 00:38:38.740 --> 00:38:39.660 to be eliminated or not. 00:38:39.660 --> 00:38:43.380 So the DCTA board has shouldered a large burden 00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:45.820 to try to understand what the future 00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:48.220 of our mobility is going to be. 00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:52.340 And that with all of those issues, 00:38:52.340 --> 00:38:54.940 it obviously affects on time performance. 00:38:54.940 --> 00:38:57.980 But I will also say that there's been a lot of questions 00:38:57.980 --> 00:39:02.180 asked of me and of our board about how VIA 00:39:02.180 --> 00:39:04.140 and our contractor is doing. 00:39:04.140 --> 00:39:07.460 They're an exceptional partner. 00:39:07.460 --> 00:39:12.460 They've owned the challenges that have come to them. 00:39:12.460 --> 00:39:17.180 They were asked to deliver service in three cities 00:39:17.180 --> 00:39:19.180 in a very short period of time. 00:39:19.180 --> 00:39:21.100 And what we've delivered, in my opinion 00:39:21.100 --> 00:39:24.540 as a professional transit leader, 00:39:24.540 --> 00:39:26.980 what we've done is extraordinary. 00:39:26.980 --> 00:39:31.980 It's not common to launch three cities simultaneously 00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:35.980 and deliver service in a consistent manner. 00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:39.340 So anytime you start up a new business, 00:39:39.340 --> 00:39:41.740 you're gonna run into some challenges. 00:39:41.740 --> 00:39:44.980 I will also say that we experience those same challenges 00:39:44.980 --> 00:39:47.740 with rail and bus and we've been running those 00:39:47.740 --> 00:39:48.580 for 10 years. 00:39:48.580 --> 00:39:51.820 Every morning, when I wake up and our staff wake up, 00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:56.540 we hope to deliver every ride, every expectation. 00:39:56.540 --> 00:39:58.500 But the reality is, is when you're working 00:39:58.500 --> 00:40:01.620 in a very dynamic environment, 00:40:01.620 --> 00:40:03.460 we don't always meet those challenges. 00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:05.820 And so every day it's a struggle. 00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:09.100 When we hire new folks and especially in a university, 00:40:09.100 --> 00:40:15.140 heavy university town, city, 00:40:15.140 --> 00:40:19.900 you have a summer, fall, spring semester. 00:40:19.900 --> 00:40:21.220 So not only do you have new students 00:40:21.220 --> 00:40:23.260 that are having to learn how to use the system, 00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:26.700 we also have operators that mark up for their jobs 00:40:26.700 --> 00:40:28.300 and try to figure out what route they're gonna be on. 00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:30.660 So we have folks on our bus system 00:40:30.660 --> 00:40:31.940 that are learning new routes, 00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:34.260 may not take the right street, 00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:35.980 wind up having all kinds of challenges. 00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:37.620 So not to make too much of that, 00:40:37.620 --> 00:40:41.620 but I think it's important to ground the discussion 00:40:41.620 --> 00:40:45.020 moving forward that it's not, in my professional opinion, 00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:47.300 it's not that one is better than the other 00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:48.860 or that one should be gotten rid of, 00:40:48.860 --> 00:40:53.420 it's to build a vibrant city in partnership 00:40:53.420 --> 00:40:57.020 with a transit agency, you need multiple modes of service 00:40:57.020 --> 00:41:00.700 to provide the best solution for the city. 00:41:00.700 --> 00:41:02.580 What's extraordinary about what's been done 00:41:02.580 --> 00:41:07.340 is we've delivered on demand across two zones, three cities 00:41:07.340 --> 00:41:10.140 that provide a tremendous amount of flexibility 00:41:10.140 --> 00:41:12.940 for your citizens. 00:41:12.940 --> 00:41:15.140 We've had citizens that have called in certainly 00:41:15.140 --> 00:41:19.340 that have been upset because the ride may or may not 00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:21.380 have been there, but we have that on our bus every day 00:41:21.380 --> 00:41:23.580 as well, we have it with our rail every day. 00:41:23.580 --> 00:41:29.020 But what I love is when we get compliments that come in 00:41:29.020 --> 00:41:33.060 from people of all walks and ages saying how much they love 00:41:33.060 --> 00:41:34.460 the new service. 00:41:34.460 --> 00:41:36.900 So I'm looking forward to working with you 00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:38.940 as a mobility committee, with the council 00:41:40.660 --> 00:41:44.180 and the stakeholders to build the very best transit system 00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:46.420 that we can, that we can all be proud of. 00:41:46.420 --> 00:41:49.580 So I'm sharing with you some data, but bear in mind 00:41:49.580 --> 00:41:52.500 that we've been at this for about five weeks. 00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:55.420 Most transit professionals will tell you it takes six months 00:41:55.420 --> 00:42:00.420 to a year for people to get accustomed to new routes. 00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:03.740 When you have significant route changes in transit, 00:42:03.740 --> 00:42:07.820 the expectation, the analysis and the planning recognizes 00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:09.900 that you'll probably see a downturn in ridership, 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:11.220 not an upturn in ridership. 00:42:11.220 --> 00:42:13.300 And we're actually seeing the inverse. 00:42:13.300 --> 00:42:18.020 So it's very comforting to see the fruits of our labor 00:42:18.020 --> 00:42:21.260 coming to fruition that we're seeing more riders 00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:24.620 taking rides that they couldn't do on fixed route. 00:42:24.620 --> 00:42:27.380 But we also have not seen the downturn, 00:42:27.380 --> 00:42:30.540 a proportional downturn, we have seen a downturn 00:42:30.540 --> 00:42:33.740 in fixed out ridership, but part of that is due to economics, 00:42:33.740 --> 00:42:35.740 part of that is due to our on time performance, 00:42:35.740 --> 00:42:37.780 part of that is due to staffing challenges. 00:42:37.780 --> 00:42:42.780 And so the faster DCTA's board can preside 00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:47.180 and render a direction for staff to follow 00:42:47.180 --> 00:42:50.660 with regard to what level of service we're gonna provide. 00:42:50.660 --> 00:42:52.740 I'm hopeful that it will be a combination of both. 00:42:52.740 --> 00:42:56.020 I think the board has been very, not I think, I know, 00:42:56.020 --> 00:42:58.380 the board has been very direct in saying, 00:42:58.380 --> 00:43:02.380 look, we need to let the data tell us what the answer is. 00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:05.340 My concern is we're gonna be looking at a few months of data 00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:10.340 in only one time point of a fall semester, 00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:14.220 and there's different cycles in every city. 00:43:14.220 --> 00:43:19.220 So we also need to listen to each city, each council 00:43:19.220 --> 00:43:22.100 to understand what it is that you're looking for 00:43:22.100 --> 00:43:23.060 out of your transit system. 00:43:23.060 --> 00:43:26.460 So that's my pitch to you to start out with 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:29.140 is that that's where I believe that we're heading. 00:43:29.140 --> 00:43:31.460 So let me get to beyond fixed route 00:43:31.460 --> 00:43:36.460 and get back to go zone 'cause that's what was asked of us. 00:43:36.460 --> 00:43:40.500 So we launched a service, we launched it in three cities, 00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:44.420 two zones, and the number of vehicles 00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:48.020 that are in our contract is that they would have 25 vehicles 00:43:48.020 --> 00:43:51.100 on average on a daily basis out in service. 00:43:51.100 --> 00:43:53.140 We actually have the expectations 00:43:53.140 --> 00:43:56.820 that we'll have 30 vehicles actually in service or available, 00:43:56.820 --> 00:43:59.740 but 25 of them would be available every day. 00:44:00.660 --> 00:44:05.140 We've had some issues with driver availability. 00:44:05.140 --> 00:44:08.460 There's been some discussion about fleet capacity. 00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:10.580 Do we have enough or do we not? 00:44:10.580 --> 00:44:15.460 I think it's early to tell or to render an opinion on that. 00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:19.020 I also think it will depend on how we shape 00:44:19.020 --> 00:44:22.220 our transit system moving forward with or without fixed route 00:44:22.220 --> 00:44:25.460 and how much via service do we actually need. 00:44:25.460 --> 00:44:30.180 They've done a very good job in incenting drivers 00:44:30.180 --> 00:44:33.420 to work, there's a combination. 00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:37.900 So in this new way of delivering service, 00:44:37.900 --> 00:44:41.060 you have a schedule just like we all would with a calendar 00:44:41.060 --> 00:44:43.060 and drivers have the opportunity to decide 00:44:43.060 --> 00:44:45.660 which pieces of work they wanna work, 00:44:45.660 --> 00:44:49.620 which is a very flexible way of thinking 00:44:49.620 --> 00:44:51.220 about how you deliver service 00:44:51.220 --> 00:44:52.980 and how you actually make income. 00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:55.580 I've had personally driven the service, 00:44:55.580 --> 00:44:59.140 I've had many drivers say they really love the new service 00:44:59.140 --> 00:45:01.220 because they can choose their work hours. 00:45:01.220 --> 00:45:02.260 It's not Uber and Lyft, 00:45:02.260 --> 00:45:06.020 they're not having to use their personal vehicle 00:45:06.020 --> 00:45:07.860 and so there's a lot of advantages 00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:10.020 of how the service is delivered, 00:45:10.020 --> 00:45:12.660 but we have had some challenges. 00:45:12.660 --> 00:45:14.660 We've had some customer service issues. 00:45:14.660 --> 00:45:20.740 Via as a company, we've had conversations with our CEO 00:45:20.740 --> 00:45:23.380 with their entire executive team, 00:45:23.380 --> 00:45:25.540 they've been very responsive. 00:45:25.540 --> 00:45:28.540 They've had people onsite doing retraining. 00:45:28.540 --> 00:45:30.260 We do the same thing with our bus operators, 00:45:30.260 --> 00:45:32.060 we constantly do retraining for them 00:45:32.060 --> 00:45:33.980 because they're on different routes. 00:45:33.980 --> 00:45:35.220 So every time there's a change, 00:45:35.220 --> 00:45:38.260 somebody has something new that they're doing. 00:45:38.260 --> 00:45:40.820 We have road supervisors that look at on-time performance, 00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:42.380 they do as well. 00:45:42.380 --> 00:45:44.100 So I think they've been very responsive. 00:45:44.100 --> 00:45:47.660 They have not shied away from their responsibilities 00:45:47.660 --> 00:45:51.540 in taking corrective action, but it's early. 00:45:51.540 --> 00:45:53.860 We're not even two months into the service. 00:45:55.700 --> 00:45:58.460 There's been some technology issues, again, 00:45:58.460 --> 00:46:01.940 anytime you're setting something new up especially, 00:46:01.940 --> 00:46:04.100 relies heavily on technology. 00:46:04.100 --> 00:46:06.420 You have to customize, you have to configure. 00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:09.500 This gets all the way down to a pin 00:46:09.500 --> 00:46:11.420 where a virtual bus stop is, 00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:14.780 if we have over 3000 bus stops, 00:46:14.780 --> 00:46:17.340 or not stops, but virtual stops. 00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:20.460 Sometimes you have to move that pin 00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:23.900 to a more effective place because there may not be, 00:46:23.900 --> 00:46:26.860 there may not be a sidewalk or the speed on that road 00:46:26.860 --> 00:46:29.820 is maybe too high or it might actually be more convenient 00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:32.980 if you actually move the pin 500 yards or so. 00:46:32.980 --> 00:46:34.540 So we're gonna go through that 00:46:34.540 --> 00:46:36.580 over the next several months. 00:46:36.580 --> 00:46:40.580 And it's natural to get customers calling in. 00:46:40.580 --> 00:46:42.580 I believe the last count I heard 00:46:42.580 --> 00:46:47.580 was around 150 calls on average. 00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:52.220 The call volume, I'm not too concerned about right now 00:46:52.220 --> 00:46:55.380 because I would expect the call volume to go up 00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:57.940 because people are learning how to use the system. 00:46:57.940 --> 00:47:00.540 I would also expect the call volume to go up 00:47:00.540 --> 00:47:03.580 because people are calling in to say, 00:47:03.580 --> 00:47:07.180 it doesn't make sense where that stop is. 00:47:07.180 --> 00:47:09.620 And that will go on for several months 00:47:09.620 --> 00:47:11.140 as we refine the system. 00:47:11.140 --> 00:47:14.340 We are getting calls about vehicle availability, 00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:18.060 although I think that has been by and large addressed. 00:47:19.780 --> 00:47:22.340 You're actually waiting longer for a bus right now 00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:24.060 than you are for via. 00:47:24.060 --> 00:47:26.300 Part of that is because we've had to reduce some service 00:47:26.300 --> 00:47:28.980 or there's construction, things of that nature. 00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:31.140 So I think we're making excellent progress. 00:47:31.140 --> 00:47:34.700 And so where are we with the next steps? 00:47:34.700 --> 00:47:37.300 Well, we're gonna continue to collect data. 00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:41.020 We've been able to collect an aggregate 00:47:41.020 --> 00:47:43.140 about six weeks of data. 00:47:43.140 --> 00:47:47.300 We'll be meeting with the DCT board on October 28th. 00:47:47.300 --> 00:47:48.980 We've teamed up with Accenture. 00:47:48.980 --> 00:47:50.460 They know us inside and out. 00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:53.780 They've gone through a visioning, 00:47:53.780 --> 00:47:58.780 a basically an entire overhaul and analysis of DCT 00:47:58.780 --> 00:48:01.060 over the last year and a half. 00:48:01.060 --> 00:48:06.060 So they were instrumental in shaping our over, 00:48:06.060 --> 00:48:09.540 I think it was 28 different initiatives in the agency. 00:48:09.540 --> 00:48:11.020 They looked at all of our fixed routes. 00:48:11.020 --> 00:48:15.500 They looked at what we were contemplating with on demand. 00:48:15.500 --> 00:48:20.500 They've partnered with an excellent provider 00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:23.260 that does a lot of transit planning. 00:48:23.260 --> 00:48:27.180 And we've asked them to take a very unbiased look 00:48:27.180 --> 00:48:28.980 at the data, to parse it out. 00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:33.740 I've asked them to parse the data literally by hour, 00:48:33.740 --> 00:48:37.660 by route, because I think that while there's been 00:48:37.660 --> 00:48:41.100 a lot of dialogue with regard to, with this council 00:48:41.100 --> 00:48:46.100 and with the mobility committee about 10 passengers per hour 00:48:46.100 --> 00:48:50.780 and that being the gold standard. 00:48:50.780 --> 00:48:53.220 Well, it's not the only standard. 00:48:53.220 --> 00:48:57.220 There's multiple variables that need to be looked at. 00:48:57.220 --> 00:49:00.780 And it's not necessarily for DCTA CEO to say 00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:03.460 which variable is important because it's really important 00:49:03.460 --> 00:49:08.020 to your communities to make sure that certainly 00:49:08.020 --> 00:49:11.140 from an economics perspective, 10 passengers per hour 00:49:11.140 --> 00:49:12.100 is a standard. 00:49:12.100 --> 00:49:18.300 But there are probably hours in the day where we're close 00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:20.660 or we're exceeding 10 passengers per hour. 00:49:20.660 --> 00:49:22.980 And there's other parts of the day where we're not. 00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:27.980 So by having multiple tools for us with the flexibility 00:49:27.980 --> 00:49:32.460 of on demand and fixed route, we can reshape some 00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:36.420 of the service to make it both efficient and effective. 00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:38.860 But there's hours of the day where some of the routes 00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:39.860 will make a lot of sense. 00:49:39.860 --> 00:49:42.740 Route seven clearly meets the gold standard 00:49:42.740 --> 00:49:44.860 of 10 passengers per hour. 00:49:44.860 --> 00:49:48.940 We have others that are probably at six or seven, 00:49:48.940 --> 00:49:50.700 but the routes are too long. 00:49:50.700 --> 00:49:53.980 So if you go to any transit system in America, 00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:58.180 if you're in downtown Manhattan and you get onto the subway, 00:49:58.180 --> 00:49:59.740 it's gonna be packed. 00:49:59.740 --> 00:50:01.980 But as you get further out from the city, 00:50:01.980 --> 00:50:04.220 you have fewer people on that subway. 00:50:04.220 --> 00:50:07.020 So the tentacles or the links at the end of some 00:50:07.020 --> 00:50:09.100 of our routes may be too long. 00:50:09.100 --> 00:50:12.980 They may need to be modified because now we have not only 00:50:12.980 --> 00:50:14.620 first and last mile, which you hear a lot 00:50:14.620 --> 00:50:17.060 of transit agencies talking about. 00:50:17.060 --> 00:50:20.420 We have every mile covered predominantly. 00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:24.180 So I think there's some discussions that we can have 00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:28.060 with VA, with Accenture, with our own employees 00:50:28.060 --> 00:50:31.540 to talk about how we could redefine some of the routes 00:50:31.540 --> 00:50:33.980 to make them more effective in the city of Denton. 00:50:33.980 --> 00:50:36.580 So that's my hope over the next several months 00:50:36.580 --> 00:50:39.100 is as we parse through the data, 00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:43.340 as the board looks at the DCTA board looks at the data, 00:50:43.340 --> 00:50:46.660 that we're looking at it literally by time slice, by route. 00:50:46.660 --> 00:50:51.660 There's clearly routes, as you've been told, 00:50:51.660 --> 00:50:54.020 that don't meet that standard. 00:50:54.020 --> 00:50:56.500 I recognize it don't meet the standard. 00:50:56.500 --> 00:50:59.260 We were providing on demand before we got 00:50:59.260 --> 00:51:02.060 into the contract with VA in areas. 00:51:02.060 --> 00:51:04.180 And one strategy is to grow it slowly. 00:51:04.180 --> 00:51:07.220 The other one is to blanket the entire city. 00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:10.620 And I don't know that one is right or one is wrong. 00:51:10.620 --> 00:51:12.260 This is just a different approach. 00:51:12.260 --> 00:51:15.740 I think that where we are now, six weeks into it, 00:51:15.740 --> 00:51:20.660 we have this incredible asset now that's delivering service, 00:51:20.660 --> 00:51:22.340 but it's not the only asset we have. 00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:24.340 We have fixed route and we have on demand. 00:51:24.340 --> 00:51:26.620 The question now is how do we shape that 00:51:26.620 --> 00:51:31.220 to build a multifaceted mobility strategy 00:51:31.220 --> 00:51:33.500 that enhances your community, 00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:36.060 your stakeholder community in many ways. 00:51:36.060 --> 00:51:39.740 And it's not just fixed route, it's not just buses. 00:51:39.740 --> 00:51:42.260 We have van pools, we have the trails. 00:51:42.260 --> 00:51:48.900 We need to continue to work together on sidewalks, 00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:50.900 on making sure that we're looking at things 00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:53.660 like mobility hubs, where we can actually have 00:51:53.660 --> 00:51:57.340 more effective fixed route engagement with on demand. 00:51:57.340 --> 00:52:00.260 So I've been asked, are you an advocate for VA, 00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:02.700 are you an advocate for fixed route? 00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:05.940 I will tell you, I'm an advocate for enhanced mobility. 00:52:05.940 --> 00:52:07.940 And when you look at thriving communities, 00:52:07.940 --> 00:52:12.820 the dynamic communities, the ones that are able to attract 00:52:12.820 --> 00:52:15.580 new and innovative companies, 00:52:15.580 --> 00:52:19.820 they're looking for transit solutions. 00:52:19.820 --> 00:52:23.020 And I believe that the tools that we have available to us 00:52:23.020 --> 00:52:26.940 give us a better opportunity more than ever before 00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.060 to help shape this community and add value 00:52:29.060 --> 00:52:31.300 back to your stakeholders that entrust 00:52:31.300 --> 00:52:33.700 your half-cent sales tax to DCTA. 00:52:33.700 --> 00:52:35.620 And I'm very excited to continue to work with you 00:52:35.620 --> 00:52:39.420 as we look forward and leverage both our on-demand 00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:41.380 and our fixed route system. 00:52:41.380 --> 00:52:44.260 So I may have one more, nope, that's it. 00:52:44.260 --> 00:52:45.900 So those are the next steps. 00:52:45.900 --> 00:52:48.740 We're gonna look at our data, 00:52:48.740 --> 00:52:52.300 parse it out literally by hour of service 00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:54.180 so we can look at where the majority 00:52:54.180 --> 00:52:59.180 of the ridership is coming from on the routes. 00:52:59.180 --> 00:53:04.700 I think that'll help us understand a little bit 00:53:04.700 --> 00:53:06.540 or provide more clarity to the board. 00:53:06.540 --> 00:53:10.580 And I don't think there's one board member 00:53:10.580 --> 00:53:14.460 that has ultimately made up their mind one way or the other 00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:16.220 about whether we're keeping fixed route 00:53:16.220 --> 00:53:17.620 or we're modifying fixed route. 00:53:17.620 --> 00:53:21.220 I think the entire board is committed to look at the data, 00:53:21.220 --> 00:53:23.380 but we don't have that much data to look at yet. 00:53:23.380 --> 00:53:26.260 So what we're going to do for our board 00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:28.060 is we're collecting the data, 00:53:28.060 --> 00:53:30.380 Accenture's working on it with our team. 00:53:30.380 --> 00:53:33.180 We're parsing the data out for fixed route and on-demand. 00:53:33.180 --> 00:53:35.740 On-demand data is a lot more, 00:53:35.740 --> 00:53:40.140 it's easier to get to because a lot of it's automated. 00:53:40.140 --> 00:53:44.380 Fixed route, we're having to sift through the data, 00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:45.940 parse it out by hour, 00:53:45.940 --> 00:53:50.340 and then build some dynamic ways for us to look at that. 00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:53.460 And we will try to make some determination 00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:58.060 and give our board of directors some recommendations 00:53:58.060 --> 00:54:00.580 about what we might want to do with the service. 00:54:00.580 --> 00:54:02.220 But I think our entire board is interested 00:54:02.220 --> 00:54:04.620 in looking at the data on the 28th. 00:54:04.620 --> 00:54:07.660 We will likely, between the 28th, 00:54:07.660 --> 00:54:10.820 the board decided to combine 00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:12.820 the November and December board meetings. 00:54:12.820 --> 00:54:16.900 So our next board meeting would be December 2nd. 00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:18.420 So we'll look at all the data 00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:21.180 from that's been collected until that time. 00:54:21.180 --> 00:54:25.060 We will likely send out a board update 00:54:25.060 --> 00:54:27.740 with where, assuming on the 28th, 00:54:27.740 --> 00:54:30.100 it'll be the first time that everybody's getting 00:54:30.100 --> 00:54:32.020 to see the data and how it's actually shaped. 00:54:32.020 --> 00:54:34.700 I haven't seen it myself, Accenture's still working on it. 00:54:34.700 --> 00:54:36.100 But on the 28th, we'll look at it. 00:54:36.100 --> 00:54:39.140 It'll give the board an opportunity to provide feedback 00:54:39.140 --> 00:54:42.180 on what else they might want to look at. 00:54:42.180 --> 00:54:44.220 That will give us some time in November. 00:54:44.220 --> 00:54:47.460 We will likely give some updates during November, 00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:50.100 not at a board meeting, but just sending out 00:54:50.100 --> 00:54:52.340 in our weekly reports and updates to the board. 00:54:52.340 --> 00:54:56.100 So they have as much information up to date as possible. 00:54:56.100 --> 00:55:00.300 But bear in mind, at the December 2nd board meeting, 00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:02.700 we'll likely have about two and a half months 00:55:02.700 --> 00:55:04.300 of data to look at. 00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:08.780 So my expectation is that it'll be fairly clear 00:55:08.780 --> 00:55:10.300 that there's some fixed routes, 00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:13.420 certainly that are not doing what we need to do. 00:55:13.420 --> 00:55:16.780 I think there'll be dialogue about what do we do next. 00:55:16.780 --> 00:55:18.860 So that's my briefing today, 00:55:18.860 --> 00:55:21.420 and happy to answer any questions that you may have. 00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:26.100 - I don't know if there's that much interest in this topic, 00:55:26.100 --> 00:55:28.620 but we'll see if there's a question or two. 00:55:28.620 --> 00:55:29.460 Go ahead. 00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:30.860 - Oh, you know I've got questions. 00:55:30.860 --> 00:55:33.780 And I look forward to having some more 00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:37.100 in-depth conversations as well as I prepared 00:55:37.100 --> 00:55:39.860 for this October 28th meeting. 00:55:39.860 --> 00:55:42.580 I do want to go back to some of the data you showed us 00:55:42.580 --> 00:55:45.220 on GoZone ridership and Connect ridership. 00:55:45.220 --> 00:55:50.220 I obviously was watching the September last month's meeting 00:55:50.220 --> 00:55:53.460 and there was some very preliminary but very detailed data. 00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:58.700 So the GoZone numbers that you're showing us, 00:55:58.700 --> 00:55:59.860 is that system-wide? 00:55:59.860 --> 00:56:02.060 Is that in the Denton GoZone? 00:56:02.060 --> 00:56:02.900 - It's system-wide. 00:56:02.900 --> 00:56:03.720 - That is system-wide. 00:56:03.720 --> 00:56:06.500 - We can break it out by city, 00:56:06.500 --> 00:56:07.900 and we will likely be doing that 00:56:07.900 --> 00:56:09.340 so that we can get very specific 00:56:09.340 --> 00:56:11.860 about where the service is coming from. 00:56:11.860 --> 00:56:15.420 - Great, and then same question about the Connect ridership. 00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:16.860 Is that Louisville and Denton? 00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:18.220 Is it just Denton Connect? 00:56:18.220 --> 00:56:20.180 - It's total, but we have it by route, 00:56:20.180 --> 00:56:23.860 which infers that we can do it by city as well. 00:56:23.860 --> 00:56:25.580 - Okay, so that's system-wide. 00:56:25.580 --> 00:56:30.060 And then, and that's monthly ridership? 00:56:30.060 --> 00:56:32.500 Are those numbers that we're seeing? 00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:34.140 - In this case, it's not monthly 00:56:34.140 --> 00:56:35.940 because we've only had five weeks of data. 00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:38.820 So it's comparison data literally during the time 00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:43.540 from September 7th to October, it's basically a month. 00:56:43.540 --> 00:56:45.940 - I mean, the Connect ridership that this-- 00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:48.740 - The Connect ridership, we have monthly ridership. 00:56:48.740 --> 00:56:51.180 But we can also break that down again by route, 00:56:51.180 --> 00:56:52.100 and that's what we'll do. 00:56:52.100 --> 00:56:53.700 - Okay, cool. 00:56:53.700 --> 00:56:56.980 So to your point about construction, 00:56:56.980 --> 00:56:59.780 obviously this is an ongoing issue. 00:56:59.780 --> 00:57:04.080 It's not gonna be over anytime soon, as we've just heard. 00:57:04.080 --> 00:57:08.300 What do you think the city could be doing 00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:13.300 to help DCTA be more agile 00:57:13.300 --> 00:57:17.220 in adjusting to construction? 00:57:17.220 --> 00:57:18.580 - Thank you for that question. 00:57:18.580 --> 00:57:21.740 It's been challenging just to know 00:57:21.740 --> 00:57:24.740 when a particular project is going to happen. 00:57:24.740 --> 00:57:29.700 If we know in advance we can properly plan 00:57:29.700 --> 00:57:31.540 around some of those things. 00:57:31.540 --> 00:57:36.540 Unfortunately, once a fixed route is designed, 00:57:36.660 --> 00:57:40.580 we go through the process of creating marketing material, 00:57:40.580 --> 00:57:44.340 getting it out digitally now, which is much easier, 00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:47.500 but people know where a particular stop is. 00:57:47.500 --> 00:57:50.120 So they will walk to that particular site. 00:57:50.120 --> 00:57:55.120 When there's construction, we may have to move the service 00:57:55.120 --> 00:57:58.380 as much as a quarter of a mile in some cases 00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:01.980 onto a thoroughfare that we can actually traverse. 00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:05.620 So we literally have to bag or put notices 00:58:05.620 --> 00:58:09.420 on those blades until such time 00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:11.940 that we can get back onto that street. 00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:14.260 It's not an easy solution. 00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:18.620 The best solution that we have found is more coordination 00:58:18.620 --> 00:58:20.580 and notice, advance notice, 00:58:20.580 --> 00:58:23.420 of when streets are going to be closed. 00:58:23.420 --> 00:58:26.900 Typically what happens, and this isn't always the case, 00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:30.540 but we will find out when the road is actually closed, 00:58:30.540 --> 00:58:32.140 and we have operators trying to figure out 00:58:32.140 --> 00:58:33.260 how they're gonna get down the road, 00:58:33.260 --> 00:58:37.260 and it's incredibly difficult, if not impossible, 00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:38.780 to keep on time performance. 00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:41.340 So I would say that's probably the biggest opportunity 00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:43.900 is to make sure that there's better communication 00:58:43.900 --> 00:58:44.860 and road closures. 00:58:44.860 --> 00:58:48.180 We used to have somebody from DCTA that would come 00:58:48.180 --> 00:58:53.180 and sit in some of the planning discussions with staff. 00:58:53.180 --> 00:58:58.540 I think we just need to revisit that 00:58:58.540 --> 00:59:00.180 and figure out how to make sure 00:59:00.180 --> 00:59:03.580 that we're notified before. 00:59:03.580 --> 00:59:06.420 Even if there's 72 hours of notification 00:59:06.420 --> 00:59:09.060 that at least allows us to communicate. 00:59:09.060 --> 00:59:11.180 We do have different ways to communicate 00:59:11.180 --> 00:59:15.020 with our passengers as well when there's closures, 00:59:15.020 --> 00:59:17.740 but the disruption can be fairly significant 00:59:17.740 --> 00:59:19.740 in the last while, obviously, 00:59:19.740 --> 00:59:22.260 when you're closing a large section of a road. 00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:25.020 - So in those situations where you do receive 00:59:25.020 --> 00:59:29.340 advance notice that a road is going to be closed, 00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:31.340 how does that communication usually come? 00:59:31.340 --> 00:59:32.500 Is it like an email? 00:59:32.500 --> 00:59:34.700 Are you looking at the road closure report 00:59:34.700 --> 00:59:36.500 in our staff reports? 00:59:36.500 --> 00:59:38.820 How do you get that information? 00:59:38.820 --> 00:59:41.860 - From various sources, it hasn't been consistent, 00:59:41.860 --> 00:59:44.820 but we need to find somebody-- 00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:45.940 - We need to make a system. 00:59:45.940 --> 00:59:46.780 - Pardon me? 00:59:46.780 --> 00:59:47.900 - Oh, I was gonna say we need to develop a system. 00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:51.020 - We need to develop a system where we're informed. 00:59:51.020 --> 00:59:56.020 Trying to pay attention to every email or reports, 00:59:59.380 --> 01:00:01.660 it can be tedious and we can certainly miss things. 01:00:01.660 --> 01:00:06.500 And I'm not pointing a finger at anybody. 01:00:06.500 --> 01:00:09.940 DCTA needs to be engaged in those discussions as well. 01:00:09.940 --> 01:00:13.260 I don't see that as the city's responsibility to notify us. 01:00:13.260 --> 01:00:15.820 It just takes collaboration 'cause we have to work together 01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:18.980 to make sure that we're delivering that service. 01:00:18.980 --> 01:00:23.980 Emails, weekly reports, anything that can help us understand 01:00:23.980 --> 01:00:26.580 when a road closure is going to happen would be beneficial. 01:00:26.580 --> 01:00:30.180 - Yeah, yeah, I think what I'm hearing is though 01:00:30.180 --> 01:00:34.060 that we need to have like a standardized way 01:00:34.060 --> 01:00:37.700 of communicating that's going to always be the same 01:00:37.700 --> 01:00:39.580 and doesn't require digging for information. 01:00:39.580 --> 01:00:42.980 - And then once we know when a road is closing, 01:00:42.980 --> 01:00:45.820 even if it's 72 hours before, 01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:49.260 our staff will usually work with a road supervisor 01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:53.300 that knows the area, our safety manager, 01:00:53.300 --> 01:00:57.620 and ensure that we find a safe route 01:00:57.620 --> 01:01:01.020 that we can maneuver across. 01:01:01.020 --> 01:01:06.020 Then we will reshape a map that'll improve 01:01:06.020 --> 01:01:08.700 at least the understanding of where the route's 01:01:08.700 --> 01:01:11.220 going to be picking up and dropping people off. 01:01:11.220 --> 01:01:13.820 And then we have various ways to communicate 01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:18.820 through social media, through most of our regular riders 01:01:19.740 --> 01:01:24.620 sign up for notices, so we push out notices to folks 01:01:24.620 --> 01:01:25.460 so they'll know. 01:01:25.460 --> 01:01:26.620 - I signed up for those briefly 01:01:26.620 --> 01:01:29.380 and then I just got flooded with so many emails 01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:30.700 that I was like, okay, oh my gosh. 01:01:30.700 --> 01:01:32.180 - Too many, too many notices. 01:01:32.180 --> 01:01:34.980 - Okay, great. 01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:38.100 So that's something that I will keep in mind for sure. 01:01:38.100 --> 01:01:39.980 Can you tell me a little bit more about, 01:01:39.980 --> 01:01:43.500 I mean, obviously when it comes to collecting 01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:46.540 the GoZone data that's, it's in the app, 01:01:46.540 --> 01:01:48.180 it's very easy to gather. 01:01:49.100 --> 01:01:51.780 How is fixed route data collected? 01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:55.900 I mean, are drivers clicking when somebody steps on the bus? 01:01:55.900 --> 01:01:59.380 - So there's the good and the bad and the ugly of technology. 01:01:59.380 --> 01:02:01.060 When you go down the technology road, 01:02:01.060 --> 01:02:02.540 most transit authorities have 01:02:02.540 --> 01:02:04.820 what they call smart fare boxes. 01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:08.140 There's a few providers of those. 01:02:08.140 --> 01:02:12.460 They're a fare collection device that has 01:02:12.460 --> 01:02:15.060 some electronics on it and some buttons that you can push. 01:02:15.060 --> 01:02:20.060 And so the operators, the most remedial way or manual way 01:02:20.060 --> 01:02:22.300 is to have what's called a tally sheet, 01:02:22.300 --> 01:02:24.980 which is a clipboard with a piece of paper 01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:29.180 that identifies every stop 01:02:29.180 --> 01:02:31.060 where somebody's gonna be picked up. 01:02:31.060 --> 01:02:32.100 The most reliable way, 01:02:32.100 --> 01:02:33.820 so you don't have to worry about technologies, 01:02:33.820 --> 01:02:35.220 as long as you have a pencil or a pen, 01:02:35.220 --> 01:02:36.780 you can say, okay, I picked up three people 01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:38.180 or picked up four people. 01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:42.060 So those data sheets, those manual data sheets, 01:02:42.060 --> 01:02:47.060 they can get collected and somebody at NTMC 01:02:47.060 --> 01:02:49.700 take those, depending on penmanship, 01:02:49.700 --> 01:02:52.220 can be challenging to make sure you got the right people, 01:02:52.220 --> 01:02:56.340 but you can also key in the wrong number of people as well. 01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:58.220 So it's not that it's, I mean, obviously, 01:02:58.220 --> 01:02:59.340 whether you're using technology, 01:02:59.340 --> 01:03:01.340 there's still humans involved. 01:03:01.340 --> 01:03:04.020 But it's a very manual process to collect 01:03:04.020 --> 01:03:07.020 what's called tally sheets that show 01:03:07.020 --> 01:03:09.540 when people were getting picked up. 01:03:09.540 --> 01:03:12.340 You then take that data, you enter it into a spreadsheet 01:03:12.340 --> 01:03:15.540 by route, then you're able to look at it, 01:03:15.540 --> 01:03:17.660 not only by route, but each one of those sheets 01:03:17.660 --> 01:03:20.500 will tell you which run it was actually on, 01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:21.940 so you know the time of day. 01:03:21.940 --> 01:03:23.740 So it's a very manual process. 01:03:23.740 --> 01:03:29.060 With a smart fare box, which are very expensive, 01:03:29.060 --> 01:03:33.780 and you could probably talk to many CFOs around the country 01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:35.820 and there's a love-hate relationship with them 01:03:35.820 --> 01:03:37.300 because they're expensive, 01:03:37.300 --> 01:03:40.340 they take a lot of maintenance, 01:03:40.340 --> 01:03:43.140 but they do help you with data collection. 01:03:43.140 --> 01:03:45.180 So today we do that manually. 01:03:45.180 --> 01:03:50.500 - Okay, so DCTA does not have smart fare boxes. 01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:53.540 - We do not have smart fare boxes. 01:03:53.540 --> 01:03:56.940 - So fixed route drivers are collecting data 01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:58.540 manually with pencil and paper. 01:03:58.540 --> 01:04:01.500 - Correct, and then we can validate that 01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:02.860 and typically what Transit does, 01:04:02.860 --> 01:04:05.460 even with, so there's several different ways. 01:04:05.460 --> 01:04:09.660 There's a fare box, there's also automatic passenger counters 01:04:09.660 --> 01:04:12.060 that you can install in the doorways. 01:04:12.060 --> 01:04:13.620 Those have been validated for years. 01:04:13.620 --> 01:04:16.460 They're accepted by the federal government 01:04:16.460 --> 01:04:19.260 as a way to collect ridership, 01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:20.660 but you have to do validation 01:04:20.660 --> 01:04:22.420 and typically that's a manual validation 01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:24.420 where you have somebody ride 01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:27.700 and they do statistical sampling and they validate that 01:04:27.700 --> 01:04:32.700 or compare that to both manual and automated ways. 01:04:33.460 --> 01:04:36.740 So there's camera systems, there's infrared, 01:04:36.740 --> 01:04:41.740 there's a lot of different ways to collect passenger data, 01:04:41.740 --> 01:04:46.580 but it costs money and it's an investment. 01:04:46.580 --> 01:04:48.820 And so it's something that we have to look at. 01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:52.020 With UNT, because there's so much ridership 01:04:52.020 --> 01:04:54.660 and they do subsidize a lot of the service, 01:04:54.660 --> 01:04:58.940 I would venture a guess if you asked UNT, 01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:00.860 they'd love to know the exact ridership, 01:05:00.860 --> 01:05:03.740 but that's not as important to them 01:05:03.740 --> 01:05:05.740 as making sure that the students are getting picked up 01:05:05.740 --> 01:05:07.260 and dropped off where they need to. 01:05:07.260 --> 01:05:08.820 So they're not necessarily, 01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:11.660 or they haven't been interested in subsidizing, 01:05:11.660 --> 01:05:16.020 putting technology on the vehicles to capture that. 01:05:16.020 --> 01:05:18.620 Because we provide service to UNT, 01:05:18.620 --> 01:05:19.860 we also rotate our fleet. 01:05:19.860 --> 01:05:22.980 So if we're gonna do something for connect service 01:05:22.980 --> 01:05:24.500 and we're rotating our fleet, 01:05:24.500 --> 01:05:27.420 we need to make sure that we have technology 01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:29.220 on all vehicles, whether they're on UNT 01:05:29.220 --> 01:05:31.820 or they're in the connect service, 01:05:31.820 --> 01:05:33.260 'cause they are considered public routes, 01:05:33.260 --> 01:05:35.540 even though they're subsidized by the university. 01:05:35.540 --> 01:05:40.640 - For fixed route riders and A-train riders, 01:05:40.640 --> 01:05:45.180 how many of those folks would you say use the GoPass app 01:05:45.180 --> 01:05:46.780 to purchase their tickets? 01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:52.340 - Ask your question again for A-train and for fixed route. 01:05:52.340 --> 01:05:56.020 - Yeah, so I mean, I'm not a regular user 01:05:56.020 --> 01:05:59.340 because neither fixed routes nor the GoZone 01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:01.500 serve the area where I live. 01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:05.220 But when I do use it, I use the app. 01:06:05.220 --> 01:06:06.580 - Correct. 01:06:06.580 --> 01:06:08.620 - Is that pretty common? 01:06:08.620 --> 01:06:13.620 - So I would say it's very popular on the A-train service. 01:06:13.620 --> 01:06:20.460 Probably larger majority would be using the GoPass app. 01:06:20.460 --> 01:06:24.140 They can buy that through Dark Tree Metro or DCTA, 01:06:24.140 --> 01:06:25.900 depending on where they're coming from. 01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:31.060 That GoPass is actually used as a transfer as well. 01:06:31.060 --> 01:06:33.060 So the majority of the people that are coming to 01:06:33.060 --> 01:06:35.660 or coming from, going to, 01:06:35.660 --> 01:06:39.660 that are connecting to the A-train 01:06:39.660 --> 01:06:42.180 have a tendency to be using the app. 01:06:42.180 --> 01:06:43.540 I don't know the-- 01:06:43.540 --> 01:06:44.780 - I've used it for that as well. 01:06:44.780 --> 01:06:46.500 - Yeah, I don't know the breakdown. 01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:51.500 We can certainly follow up on how many, 01:06:52.820 --> 01:06:56.300 what percentage that is on fixed route. 01:06:56.300 --> 01:06:57.580 I know that can be challenging 01:06:57.580 --> 01:06:59.500 because when you buy a day pass, 01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:03.140 transfers are included in that 01:07:03.140 --> 01:07:04.380 and we don't have an electronic, 01:07:04.380 --> 01:07:06.180 today we don't have an electronic method 01:07:06.180 --> 01:07:08.500 to track when that transfer happens 01:07:08.500 --> 01:07:10.460 or what bus they're getting onto. 01:07:10.460 --> 01:07:14.380 So I would, my guess is that if our CFO is listening, 01:07:14.380 --> 01:07:15.580 she's probably biting her nails saying, 01:07:15.580 --> 01:07:16.980 "Please don't say you can get that data." 01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:18.580 'Cause I don't know that we have 01:07:18.580 --> 01:07:20.180 that data readily available. 01:07:20.180 --> 01:07:21.740 - Okay. 01:07:21.740 --> 01:07:24.060 - We do have a project on our books 01:07:24.060 --> 01:07:28.300 to look at automated fare payment. 01:07:28.300 --> 01:07:30.780 A lot before we make that decision, 01:07:30.780 --> 01:07:32.140 I think it's important to understand 01:07:32.140 --> 01:07:37.140 what our multimodal approach is going to be. 01:07:37.140 --> 01:07:39.380 Certainly we have a lot more rich data 01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:41.740 because you're using an app on via. 01:07:41.740 --> 01:07:45.460 We do have an interest in automating 01:07:45.460 --> 01:07:48.340 the fare collection, passenger counting, 01:07:48.340 --> 01:07:51.380 and we can do that by installing some technology 01:07:51.380 --> 01:07:52.220 on the buses. 01:07:52.220 --> 01:07:54.380 We just need to kind of understand 01:07:54.380 --> 01:07:56.980 what that looks like, okay? 01:07:56.980 --> 01:07:58.580 - Okay, yeah, that's very helpful. 01:07:58.580 --> 01:07:59.420 Thank you. 01:07:59.420 --> 01:08:01.500 That's exactly the information I was looking for. 01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:02.340 - You're welcome. 01:08:02.340 --> 01:08:05.980 - Council Member Wood. - Thank you. 01:08:05.980 --> 01:08:09.820 Yeah, I have a, I'm gonna go back to the GoZone update 01:08:09.820 --> 01:08:12.500 and I'll spend a little bit more time 01:08:12.500 --> 01:08:15.500 talking about the startup issues. 01:08:16.860 --> 01:08:21.300 Just some clarifications on driver vehicle availability. 01:08:21.300 --> 01:08:26.660 Increase fleet capacity. 01:08:26.660 --> 01:08:29.860 Talk to me a little bit more about 01:08:29.860 --> 01:08:35.780 the challenges of increasing the fleet capacity. 01:08:35.780 --> 01:08:37.820 You know what, I wanna step back. 01:08:37.820 --> 01:08:42.740 I do want to step back on the length of time for the data. 01:08:42.740 --> 01:08:44.100 And what's really interesting 01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:47.140 is that you noted something about us needing 01:08:47.140 --> 01:08:51.340 at least about six months to get a good feel 01:08:51.340 --> 01:08:54.020 for where we're going with this. 01:08:54.020 --> 01:08:57.780 And I do recognize that the holidays are coming up. 01:08:57.780 --> 01:09:02.420 Students are gonna be doing whatever it is that they do. 01:09:02.420 --> 01:09:04.940 People are gonna be going out of town, 01:09:04.940 --> 01:09:07.300 visiting family members and all of that. 01:09:07.300 --> 01:09:09.380 So I appreciate you saying that. 01:09:09.380 --> 01:09:13.500 I think that when we were here 01:09:13.500 --> 01:09:18.500 and making a decision to ask for at least a six-month study, 01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:25.820 that was one of the reasons why. 01:09:25.820 --> 01:09:28.820 So I appreciate you confirming that for us 01:09:28.820 --> 01:09:31.260 that we really need some time. 01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:35.540 Right now, it's about six weeks 01:09:35.540 --> 01:09:38.220 and it just sounds like we still need a little bit more time 01:09:38.220 --> 01:09:39.780 to kind of figure out what we're doing. 01:09:39.780 --> 01:09:44.780 So I just wanna put that out there for the sake 01:09:44.780 --> 01:09:47.340 of acknowledging that. 01:09:47.340 --> 01:09:48.900 - Well, let me, if you don't mind, 01:09:48.900 --> 01:09:52.780 I'd like to clarify that the, 01:09:52.780 --> 01:09:57.820 transit recognizes that when you're making 01:09:57.820 --> 01:10:02.220 significant changes that human behavior travel patterns 01:10:02.220 --> 01:10:06.140 take about six months to change. 01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:09.500 Look, we all go on diet programs first of the year. 01:10:09.500 --> 01:10:11.580 We're all saying we're gonna do something. 01:10:11.580 --> 01:10:16.020 We all know that it takes consistent reinforcement 01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:18.060 and confidence in what we're doing. 01:10:18.060 --> 01:10:21.420 And that can wane if you don't have a good experience. 01:10:21.420 --> 01:10:24.100 It doesn't mean that somebody may not try it again. 01:10:24.100 --> 01:10:27.500 And so I will say that that's kind of the rule of thumb 01:10:27.500 --> 01:10:28.540 in transit. 01:10:28.540 --> 01:10:32.660 The data is a different subject, right? 01:10:32.660 --> 01:10:36.180 The data, if we know, as an example, 01:10:36.180 --> 01:10:38.740 that even before VIA, we had some routes 01:10:38.740 --> 01:10:40.020 that either needed to be changed 01:10:40.020 --> 01:10:42.100 or they're just not carrying enough people. 01:10:42.100 --> 01:10:44.380 It's our responsibility as a transit agency 01:10:44.380 --> 01:10:46.340 to look at the lower performing routes. 01:10:46.340 --> 01:10:49.300 It's usually in every, and we have it as well. 01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:53.220 You look at the 10% lowest performing routes, 01:10:53.220 --> 01:10:54.940 you bring it back to your board and we say, 01:10:54.940 --> 01:10:56.100 look, these are not performing. 01:10:56.100 --> 01:10:58.340 They're not meeting the, 01:10:58.340 --> 01:11:00.140 it's not just financial indicators. 01:11:00.140 --> 01:11:02.540 There's a lot of other indicators that we look at. 01:11:02.540 --> 01:11:04.580 Some of them are social, some of them are, 01:11:04.580 --> 01:11:07.140 we wanna make sure that we're meeting the goals 01:11:07.140 --> 01:11:09.780 that are set forth for the transit agency's 01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:11.580 performance responsibility. 01:11:11.580 --> 01:11:13.180 And if they don't meet them, 01:11:13.180 --> 01:11:17.180 then typically what happens is you come back to your board 01:11:17.180 --> 01:11:19.380 and say, we're recommending, fill in the blank. 01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:21.100 It could be, we're recommending modifying it. 01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:24.100 We're recommending, ultimately, 01:11:24.100 --> 01:11:26.100 you could recommend elimination of a route. 01:11:26.100 --> 01:11:27.580 But before you eliminate a route, 01:11:27.580 --> 01:11:28.940 you make other recommendations 01:11:28.940 --> 01:11:31.180 about how you might be able to increase 01:11:31.180 --> 01:11:32.740 the performance of the route. 01:11:32.740 --> 01:11:36.820 So those are, there's a nuance and a subtlety there 01:11:36.820 --> 01:11:38.700 that I think are important to understand. 01:11:38.700 --> 01:11:41.660 And so I think what I've heard 01:11:41.660 --> 01:11:43.340 from some of our board members 01:11:43.340 --> 01:11:47.040 is we know what the historical data has been. 01:11:47.040 --> 01:11:51.700 We know what it's looking like 01:11:51.700 --> 01:11:55.220 over likely the first two and a half, three months. 01:11:55.220 --> 01:11:58.140 And if that data doesn't change, 01:11:58.140 --> 01:11:59.300 then what do we do next? 01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:02.060 And I think that's the openness that our board has 01:12:02.060 --> 01:12:04.500 is to what do we do next? 01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:06.660 Do we modify the route? 01:12:06.660 --> 01:12:08.420 Or do we eliminate the route? 01:12:08.420 --> 01:12:09.740 Or do we leave the route as is 01:12:09.740 --> 01:12:10.980 because it's doing a good job? 01:12:10.980 --> 01:12:11.820 So I just wanna make sure 01:12:11.820 --> 01:12:13.940 that I was clear in my message to you. 01:12:13.940 --> 01:12:18.500 - So when you are taking a look at the data, 01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:22.260 the next question is how often is that done? 01:12:22.260 --> 01:12:25.620 I mean, is this gonna be twice a year or once a year 01:12:25.620 --> 01:12:30.620 or every six weeks that you wanna take a look at that data? 01:12:30.620 --> 01:12:36.140 And I was just noting, prior to this, 01:12:36.140 --> 01:12:39.460 is that that's what stood out to me, 01:12:39.460 --> 01:12:43.700 is that you need more time to address 01:12:43.700 --> 01:12:47.800 whatever issue it is that you're starting to recognize. 01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:51.100 So like you noted, that it takes time 01:12:51.100 --> 01:12:53.060 to get your exercise program 01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:55.900 where you can start seeing results. 01:12:55.900 --> 01:13:02.320 But in this particular case, not to rehash anything, 01:13:02.540 --> 01:13:06.580 but it was just an opportunity for us to go through 01:13:06.580 --> 01:13:09.440 certain things with this board. 01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:13.700 We were concerned about the fall semester, if nothing else, 01:13:13.700 --> 01:13:17.960 what happens here in this city as a college town, 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.100 as opposed to those other cities, 01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:22.060 those are not college towns. 01:13:22.060 --> 01:13:25.260 So there's a lot of dynamics that are different here 01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:27.500 than anywhere else. 01:13:27.500 --> 01:13:32.460 And the idea of extending that time. 01:13:32.460 --> 01:13:34.700 So the question now becomes, 01:13:34.700 --> 01:13:39.700 when is the next time you're going to look at the data? 01:13:39.700 --> 01:13:42.040 Is it every six months process? 01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:43.220 Is it once a year? 01:13:43.220 --> 01:13:44.060 - Thank you for your question. 01:13:44.060 --> 01:13:46.660 - How should we expect to do that? 01:13:46.660 --> 01:13:51.660 - We provide monthly ridership reports to the board. 01:13:51.660 --> 01:13:55.460 So they're seeing every month how ridership is trending. 01:13:58.940 --> 01:14:02.740 Certainly we have board members that are asking 01:14:02.740 --> 01:14:05.780 for more real-time information. 01:14:05.780 --> 01:14:07.820 So we have been producing reports 01:14:07.820 --> 01:14:09.620 the best of our ability every week. 01:14:09.620 --> 01:14:14.680 If we can on via, we've been doing it more often than that 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.300 because the data is more available. 01:14:16.300 --> 01:14:20.580 Now, we also have to be appreciative of staff time 01:14:20.580 --> 01:14:23.860 because if they're constantly providing 01:14:23.860 --> 01:14:27.540 real-time information, they're not able to necessarily 01:14:27.540 --> 01:14:30.740 do their regular job and prepare the board 01:14:30.740 --> 01:14:32.100 'cause we have, just like you do, 01:14:32.100 --> 01:14:34.500 a monthly cycle, weekly cycles. 01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:38.260 So I wanna be respectful of people's time 01:14:38.260 --> 01:14:42.820 and make sure that right now it's very important 01:14:42.820 --> 01:14:45.900 that we're giving as much information as we can. 01:14:45.900 --> 01:14:51.820 I highly doubt that the board would be making decisions 01:14:51.820 --> 01:14:53.420 on a daily or weekly basis. 01:14:53.420 --> 01:14:56.420 They're gonna look at hopefully trends. 01:14:56.420 --> 01:15:01.100 And what makes it challenging for a, 01:15:01.100 --> 01:15:03.420 specifically for the city of Denton, 01:15:03.420 --> 01:15:06.220 is you have two major universities 01:15:06.220 --> 01:15:08.500 that create a tremendous amount of density 01:15:08.500 --> 01:15:11.840 in the fall and in the spring. 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:16.060 In the summer, they still have people on campus 01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:18.140 that are taking summer classes 01:15:18.140 --> 01:15:19.860 and they want us to continue to provide service. 01:15:19.860 --> 01:15:22.360 And by the way, those people don't necessarily live 01:15:22.360 --> 01:15:25.740 just on campus, they live throughout your communities. 01:15:25.740 --> 01:15:30.740 So we have this double hump when you look at ridership. 01:15:30.740 --> 01:15:35.980 You have this significant hump during the spring 01:15:35.980 --> 01:15:38.220 and the fall semesters, and then it's kind of 01:15:38.220 --> 01:15:41.940 a bathtub effect in the summertime. 01:15:41.940 --> 01:15:46.140 So I really do appreciate the board, 01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:49.260 all board members of DCTA saying, 01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:51.660 look, we can't make a decision over two weeks. 01:15:51.660 --> 01:15:56.660 We can likely make a decision during a full fall semester 01:15:56.660 --> 01:16:00.660 because that really shows, those three months show 01:16:00.660 --> 01:16:03.600 the kind of the maximum pressure, if you would, 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:04.440 on the system. 01:16:04.440 --> 01:16:10.240 The nuance there is, yes, I agree with that. 01:16:10.240 --> 01:16:11.760 But this is also the first time 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.300 that we're launching a new service. 01:16:13.300 --> 01:16:16.020 And human behavior, just getting used 01:16:16.020 --> 01:16:17.780 to the different systems and, 01:16:17.780 --> 01:16:19.900 well, I can use fixed route for this. 01:16:19.900 --> 01:16:21.180 But after a certain period of time, 01:16:21.180 --> 01:16:24.300 it's gonna be a lot more beneficial to me to use on demand. 01:16:24.300 --> 01:16:27.100 And that's the beauty of what most transit authorities 01:16:27.100 --> 01:16:30.860 are trying to accomplish is a multimodal solution 01:16:30.860 --> 01:16:32.000 for the city. 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.740 I think this council intuitively, in past sessions, 01:16:35.740 --> 01:16:40.300 had said, well, I think it was you Councilman Meltzer 01:16:40.300 --> 01:16:42.660 that said that there's probably gonna be 01:16:42.660 --> 01:16:46.220 a self-selection process that happens 01:16:46.220 --> 01:16:48.220 depending on the type of ride that you need. 01:16:48.220 --> 01:16:50.820 It's not necessarily that, oh, I'm all VR, 01:16:50.820 --> 01:16:53.380 I'm all fixed route, it's I have different modes 01:16:53.380 --> 01:16:55.500 of transit that I've never had available to me. 01:16:55.500 --> 01:16:57.660 And that's exciting, it's really exciting. 01:16:57.660 --> 01:17:00.540 So I hope I answered your question. 01:17:00.540 --> 01:17:02.500 - You did, you did, thank you very much. 01:17:02.500 --> 01:17:06.500 You know, I'm looking forward to all of those updates. 01:17:06.500 --> 01:17:12.660 Driver availability, vehicle availability. 01:17:12.660 --> 01:17:20.260 There are hubs where the drivers leave the vehicles. 01:17:20.260 --> 01:17:21.560 - Yes. 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:25.100 - And so each city, how many hubs are in Denver? 01:17:25.100 --> 01:17:28.940 - Well, so there's two major hubs. 01:17:28.940 --> 01:17:32.980 There's one in the Louisville, 01:17:32.980 --> 01:17:34.860 one of our stations at Hebron, 01:17:34.860 --> 01:17:36.540 and then Med Park is the other hub. 01:17:36.540 --> 01:17:41.040 So that's where the vehicles sleep at night. 01:17:41.040 --> 01:17:47.380 When a driver signs up for a piece of work, 01:17:47.380 --> 01:17:49.500 they'll go to that station, 01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:51.500 they'll unlock the vehicle. 01:17:51.500 --> 01:17:53.460 It's a pretty cool technology that you use your phone 01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:54.500 and they'll unlock the vehicle. 01:17:54.500 --> 01:17:55.940 - Okay. 01:17:55.940 --> 01:17:57.180 - Well, that's been part of the problem 01:17:57.180 --> 01:17:58.780 is that unlock feature. 01:17:58.780 --> 01:18:00.500 Again, brand new vehicles are getting them in here, 01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:02.900 they're hurrying up, they're trying to get it all working, 01:18:02.900 --> 01:18:03.940 and they get them all installed. 01:18:03.940 --> 01:18:05.740 And when you're doing that very quickly, 01:18:05.740 --> 01:18:07.160 and some of them may or may not work 01:18:07.160 --> 01:18:08.620 exactly the way you want. 01:18:08.620 --> 01:18:11.980 So some operators, it's not necessarily 01:18:11.980 --> 01:18:14.820 that we don't have enough drivers, 01:18:14.820 --> 01:18:16.600 it's just that in some cases the drivers 01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:20.980 couldn't get in to the vehicle due to mechanical issues. 01:18:20.980 --> 01:18:22.780 So they resolve those pretty quick. 01:18:22.780 --> 01:18:26.780 So driver availability, vehicle availability, 01:18:26.780 --> 01:18:28.520 both of those are impacted by, 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:33.180 it can be a human error, it can be a mechanical error. 01:18:33.180 --> 01:18:36.500 We have the same thing every morning at our bus depot. 01:18:36.500 --> 01:18:37.380 Did somebody show up? 01:18:37.380 --> 01:18:40.500 No, oh, we need to get somebody from our extra board. 01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:41.820 Hey, I tried to start the vehicle 01:18:41.820 --> 01:18:45.940 and tried to cycle the wheelchair left and it didn't work. 01:18:45.940 --> 01:18:48.500 Okay, well, I need to assign you another bus. 01:18:48.500 --> 01:18:52.780 So it's not dissimilar with the mechanical issues, 01:18:52.780 --> 01:18:54.460 with driver availability issues. 01:18:54.460 --> 01:18:57.860 And I think that's some of what's been reported, 01:18:57.860 --> 01:18:59.780 but I wanna make sure that there's context 01:18:59.780 --> 01:19:03.900 because we have that with rail, with bus, with via. 01:19:03.900 --> 01:19:04.980 - Okay. - Okay. 01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:09.020 - Driver incentives, pay increases, 01:19:09.020 --> 01:19:11.420 have we, how does that, how is that gonna work? 01:19:11.420 --> 01:19:13.020 Oh, here's a question. 01:19:13.020 --> 01:19:16.740 Are drivers allowed to take tips? 01:19:16.740 --> 01:19:21.180 - I don't, I don't believe so. 01:19:21.180 --> 01:19:23.700 - Okay. 01:19:23.700 --> 01:19:25.140 - I'll have to look back at the contract. 01:19:25.140 --> 01:19:29.220 I don't believe that we're, they're able to accept tips. 01:19:29.220 --> 01:19:30.300 - Okay. 01:19:30.300 --> 01:19:31.120 Because I-- - I'll follow up 01:19:31.120 --> 01:19:31.960 with you on that. 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:34.660 - All right, and I'm just connecting that 01:19:34.660 --> 01:19:37.420 with part of the incentives. 01:19:37.420 --> 01:19:40.780 If you are having driver shortages, 01:19:40.780 --> 01:19:43.980 and just, I'm kinda relating it to as though, 01:19:43.980 --> 01:19:47.900 you know, this is a waiter of some sort. 01:19:47.900 --> 01:19:50.980 You know, the pay may not be, 01:19:50.980 --> 01:19:53.420 I don't know what the pay is, just put that. 01:19:53.420 --> 01:19:58.260 Pay may not be something that is sustainable for them. 01:19:58.260 --> 01:20:01.660 And, you know, would it be problematic 01:20:01.660 --> 01:20:05.220 if we find that there are some are accepting tips or not? 01:20:05.220 --> 01:20:06.900 So I don't know what your-- 01:20:06.900 --> 01:20:09.220 - Well, I would say that that's, 01:20:09.220 --> 01:20:11.020 that's part of our contractor's model. 01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:13.940 I mean, let me restate that, that didn't sound right. 01:20:13.940 --> 01:20:17.200 It's not part of their model. 01:20:17.200 --> 01:20:19.820 I'm saying that the contractor's responsibility 01:20:19.820 --> 01:20:22.860 to deliver service to the agency, 01:20:22.860 --> 01:20:24.900 how they pay their employees. 01:20:24.900 --> 01:20:26.740 We've had discussions before. 01:20:26.740 --> 01:20:30.400 We would be overreaching if we told them 01:20:30.400 --> 01:20:31.540 how to pay their employees. 01:20:31.540 --> 01:20:32.540 - Okay. 01:20:32.540 --> 01:20:37.540 - I believe that, I'm gonna make a two-step statement here. 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:43.720 On an hourly basis, it appears that their pay is competitive. 01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:48.740 It's up to the operator, to the driver 01:20:48.740 --> 01:20:51.540 to decide how many hours a day they wanna work. 01:20:51.540 --> 01:20:52.380 - Okay. 01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:55.680 - In this, it's been coined the gig economy. 01:20:55.680 --> 01:21:01.220 Just because I'm inherently in the business of transit, 01:21:01.220 --> 01:21:04.300 no matter where I go around the country, around the world, 01:21:04.300 --> 01:21:05.820 I've always asked the question of the operator, 01:21:05.820 --> 01:21:07.880 "Hey, do you enjoy your job?" 01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:12.880 And a lot of the Lyft and Uber drivers say they love it. 01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:14.740 Not everybody loves everything, right? 01:21:14.740 --> 01:21:16.660 But the majority of them say they really like 01:21:16.660 --> 01:21:19.520 the flexibility 'cause they can set their own hours. 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:22.940 They can decide when they're working, 01:21:22.940 --> 01:21:24.180 what days of the week they're working, 01:21:24.180 --> 01:21:25.780 and they're kind of their own boss. 01:21:25.780 --> 01:21:29.580 Well, we're not Uber and Lyft, and V is not Uber and Lyft. 01:21:29.580 --> 01:21:33.540 I've asked the same questions of every operator 01:21:33.540 --> 01:21:36.380 that I've been in the vehicle with, 01:21:36.380 --> 01:21:38.660 which has been quite a few. 01:21:38.660 --> 01:21:41.820 And I've heard a few comments about, 01:21:41.820 --> 01:21:44.980 well, the technology is, 'cause there are anybody, 01:21:44.980 --> 01:21:46.380 if you're an Apple person, 01:21:46.380 --> 01:21:49.980 you don't like, you know, Samsung or whatever. 01:21:49.980 --> 01:21:52.580 I happen to be a Samsung user, I don't, don't, 01:21:52.580 --> 01:21:56.060 and so people will tend to provide 01:21:56.060 --> 01:21:57.760 an opinion about something. 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:01.180 I would say the majority of the time, most of the time, 01:22:01.180 --> 01:22:03.080 the operators have been complimentary 01:22:03.080 --> 01:22:04.820 of the hours that they work. 01:22:04.820 --> 01:22:08.180 They like the fact that they're not driving their own vehicle, 01:22:08.180 --> 01:22:09.540 they're not using their own gas, 01:22:09.540 --> 01:22:11.660 they like the comfort of knowing 01:22:11.660 --> 01:22:15.260 what they're going to make when they're working, 01:22:15.260 --> 01:22:16.580 and they like the flexibility 01:22:16.580 --> 01:22:18.500 of being able to set their own schedule. 01:22:18.500 --> 01:22:21.560 So there's some advantages to the people 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:23.660 that are delivering service on our behalf. 01:22:23.660 --> 01:22:33.380 But I think it'll, you'll typically see 01:22:34.440 --> 01:22:36.900 the contractor hire more people 01:22:36.900 --> 01:22:39.380 than are what are required to operate 01:22:39.380 --> 01:22:41.340 so that they can, because they know 01:22:41.340 --> 01:22:42.780 that they're going to self-select, 01:22:42.780 --> 01:22:44.340 there's gonna be days when they wanna work 01:22:44.340 --> 01:22:45.840 and when they don't wanna work. 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:49.240 So you'll have a much larger employee pool 01:22:49.240 --> 01:22:51.060 from the contractor that will decide 01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:52.660 when they're going to work. 01:22:52.660 --> 01:22:57.180 - I just think that it's interesting how 01:23:00.060 --> 01:23:04.620 that system works, if you're not, 01:23:04.620 --> 01:23:06.300 if you're saying you're not like Lyft 01:23:06.300 --> 01:23:07.500 and you're not like Uber, 01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:09.900 but you're kind of giving the drivers 01:23:09.900 --> 01:23:14.260 the same kind of respect for picking 01:23:14.260 --> 01:23:15.840 and choosing their days. 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.980 If I were a driver, I certainly wouldn't wanna work 01:23:17.980 --> 01:23:20.900 on Mondays and Fridays, you know? 01:23:20.900 --> 01:23:23.300 - Some do. - And some do, some don't, 01:23:23.300 --> 01:23:28.300 but is that affecting this process 01:23:28.700 --> 01:23:31.820 of picking people up on time and doing things, 01:23:31.820 --> 01:23:33.240 you know, in that manner? 01:23:33.240 --> 01:23:37.900 So, I can't tell the-- 01:23:37.900 --> 01:23:39.620 - That's why the data's important. 01:23:39.620 --> 01:23:40.980 - You know, how to do all of that, 01:23:40.980 --> 01:23:43.040 but I'm just stating the obvious, 01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:46.700 that if you're saying that you're having 01:23:46.700 --> 01:23:51.100 vehicle, driver availability and vehicle availability, 01:23:51.100 --> 01:23:54.460 I think that DCTA could put a bit more pressure 01:23:54.460 --> 01:23:57.280 on this particular company to make sure 01:23:57.280 --> 01:23:58.900 that the drivers are there. 01:23:58.900 --> 01:24:00.380 - Well, and you make an excellent point, 01:24:00.380 --> 01:24:02.800 and I wanna say that this, 01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:08.660 what's being presented to be fully transparent, 01:24:08.660 --> 01:24:10.580 it wouldn't be transparent to me, 01:24:10.580 --> 01:24:13.000 for me to come and say, we've had no issues, 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:16.780 because it's obvious, we hear from customers, 01:24:16.780 --> 01:24:20.300 we've had customer complaints that there's been issues. 01:24:20.300 --> 01:24:25.300 They have resolved many, if not most of the issues 01:24:25.940 --> 01:24:28.660 around driver availability, vehicle availability. 01:24:28.660 --> 01:24:32.380 They have vehicles available, they have operators available. 01:24:32.380 --> 01:24:34.260 The average wait times are well within 01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:35.980 what we expected in the contract. 01:24:35.980 --> 01:24:41.140 The distance that we expected is within 01:24:41.140 --> 01:24:42.700 what we expected in the contract. 01:24:42.700 --> 01:24:45.500 We're continuing to see growth, which is fantastic. 01:24:45.500 --> 01:24:47.860 But it wouldn't be fair to say 01:24:47.860 --> 01:24:50.180 that we didn't have startup issues. 01:24:50.180 --> 01:24:53.080 So, I think it's important that we say 01:24:53.080 --> 01:24:56.140 that the contractor is actually doing a good job 01:24:56.140 --> 01:24:57.860 of being those responsibilities 01:24:57.860 --> 01:25:02.020 and doing what's expected in the contract. 01:25:02.020 --> 01:25:06.100 If they decide to provide an incentive on a particular day 01:25:06.100 --> 01:25:08.820 to operate, to get more operators there, 01:25:08.820 --> 01:25:10.460 then we need to allow them to do that. 01:25:10.460 --> 01:25:13.980 We're paying a fixed cost per hour to them, 01:25:13.980 --> 01:25:17.160 and it's their responsibility, their business model, 01:25:17.160 --> 01:25:20.540 to figure out how to get vehicles and operators 01:25:20.540 --> 01:25:23.240 to deliver on time and with courtesy. 01:25:23.240 --> 01:25:27.580 And as the owner of that contract, DCTA, 01:25:27.580 --> 01:25:29.900 we have a responsibility to manage that contractor 01:25:29.900 --> 01:25:33.740 to the requirements of the contract. 01:25:33.740 --> 01:25:37.100 But I can't and would not tell them what to pay 01:25:37.100 --> 01:25:40.500 or where they decide to allow them to accept tips. 01:25:40.500 --> 01:25:42.740 It's a conversation that we're going to have, 01:25:42.740 --> 01:25:44.620 I'm sure, in the future. 01:25:44.620 --> 01:25:46.780 I think originally, Uber and Live didn't allow it. 01:25:46.780 --> 01:25:48.120 At some point, they did. 01:25:49.260 --> 01:25:50.620 I hope that answers your question. 01:25:50.620 --> 01:25:52.060 - If you do answer my question, 01:25:52.060 --> 01:25:55.900 I'm just gonna leave that right there, 01:25:55.900 --> 01:25:58.420 my comments and questions, and thank you so much. 01:25:58.420 --> 01:25:59.980 I appreciate it. - You're welcome. 01:25:59.980 --> 01:26:04.980 - Ray, I have a few questions for you as well. 01:26:04.980 --> 01:26:05.820 - Sure. 01:26:05.820 --> 01:26:13.060 - It looks like, clearly, the cumulative ridership 01:26:13.060 --> 01:26:17.420 between Connect and On Demand is up. 01:26:17.420 --> 01:26:18.660 - It's growing. - They're both up. 01:26:18.660 --> 01:26:21.220 So the cumulative ridership is up. 01:26:21.220 --> 01:26:24.420 Do we have any way to track whether GoZone riders 01:26:24.420 --> 01:26:28.780 are new people that didn't used to use public transit? 01:26:28.780 --> 01:26:31.900 Or are they switchers from bus 01:26:31.900 --> 01:26:33.980 and there just happens to be kind of growth overall? 01:26:33.980 --> 01:26:38.980 Or are they, you referred before to the idea of people 01:26:38.980 --> 01:26:41.820 who would mix and match based on their need at the time? 01:26:41.820 --> 01:26:45.780 Do we have any kind of qualitative insight 01:26:45.780 --> 01:26:48.180 into the ridership basis? 01:26:48.660 --> 01:26:53.660 - We don't track users for privacy reasons. 01:26:53.660 --> 01:26:59.860 We don't track users. 01:26:59.860 --> 01:27:03.300 - Well, I would suggest that that's an almost essential 01:27:03.300 --> 01:27:05.660 piece of consumer research to do, 01:27:05.660 --> 01:27:07.540 whether you do it quantitatively through tracking. 01:27:07.540 --> 01:27:10.060 - Yes, specific users, we don't. 01:27:10.060 --> 01:27:13.900 What I was going to follow up with is, 01:27:13.900 --> 01:27:18.100 when you look at the origins and the destinations, 01:27:18.100 --> 01:27:20.180 when you look at this heat map, 01:27:20.180 --> 01:27:22.820 if you overlay, which we can and have, 01:27:22.820 --> 01:27:24.740 when you overlay the fixed route service, 01:27:24.740 --> 01:27:29.380 it becomes very apparent because you will see riders 01:27:29.380 --> 01:27:32.100 along a fixed route within a quarter of a mile 01:27:32.100 --> 01:27:34.980 and we have ways to kind of show 01:27:34.980 --> 01:27:39.260 like how far people are assuming the riders went. 01:27:39.260 --> 01:27:41.340 But then you look at all the dots of the pickups 01:27:41.340 --> 01:27:43.900 and drop-offs across the zone, 01:27:43.900 --> 01:27:46.460 it's obvious because we didn't have service. 01:27:46.460 --> 01:27:49.140 We couldn't get to that particular neighborhood. 01:27:49.140 --> 01:27:50.500 - Those are incremental rides. 01:27:50.500 --> 01:27:53.020 - So you're gonna see riders 01:27:53.020 --> 01:27:57.020 in all four corners of the zones. 01:27:57.020 --> 01:28:01.060 Well, we don't have fixed route service 01:28:01.060 --> 01:28:02.780 at all four corners of the zone. 01:28:02.780 --> 01:28:05.700 So it's a very apparent way of aggregating data 01:28:05.700 --> 01:28:07.660 and saying, wow, look at all these new rides 01:28:07.660 --> 01:28:10.020 that we've not had before. 01:28:10.020 --> 01:28:11.740 And that's true of not only our fixed route, 01:28:11.740 --> 01:28:13.780 but also the university shuttles. 01:28:13.780 --> 01:28:17.380 You will see a large number of folks, 01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:20.700 a lot of those dots in and around the peripheries 01:28:20.700 --> 01:28:25.700 of the university along Colorado Express down by the mall. 01:28:25.700 --> 01:28:26.700 Well, why down there? 01:28:26.700 --> 01:28:31.620 Well, there's a lot of housing and student housing 01:28:31.620 --> 01:28:35.340 or students that live in apartment complexes 01:28:35.340 --> 01:28:37.140 in and around Met Park. 01:28:37.140 --> 01:28:38.900 And you can see a lot of dots around the mall 01:28:38.900 --> 01:28:41.620 and the retail establishments, which is fantastic 01:28:41.620 --> 01:28:44.020 'cause that means that people are using it 01:28:44.020 --> 01:28:47.620 to instead of a car, instead of a bicycle 01:28:47.620 --> 01:28:51.060 or whatever other mode of transit walking. 01:28:51.060 --> 01:28:54.140 But there are a lot of pick up and drop offs 01:28:54.140 --> 01:28:57.140 all over Denton, which is exciting. 01:28:57.140 --> 01:28:59.860 - I think there's a bit of a Venn diagram challenge 01:28:59.860 --> 01:29:04.700 where clearly new territory, you're creating new rides 01:29:04.700 --> 01:29:07.580 that didn't exist before and that's complimentary. 01:29:07.580 --> 01:29:09.500 I think that where it becomes more important 01:29:09.500 --> 01:29:13.540 to understand the characteristics of the ridership 01:29:13.540 --> 01:29:16.820 is where you have the overlap in the Venn diagram. 01:29:16.820 --> 01:29:19.340 And unless you understand whether they're new riders 01:29:19.340 --> 01:29:23.340 or not, you don't know how incremental 01:29:23.340 --> 01:29:26.100 and how much displacement is there. 01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:31.940 On the surface, I think, especially based on 01:29:31.940 --> 01:29:34.740 what you're talking about with the geography of the rides, 01:29:36.820 --> 01:29:40.500 it seems so you can only conclude that it's at least, 01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:43.860 to a large extent, complimentary, not a substitute. 01:29:43.860 --> 01:29:48.140 So when that's the dynamic, if you take away one, 01:29:48.140 --> 01:29:50.860 it doesn't all go over to the other, you just lose 'em. 01:29:50.860 --> 01:29:55.420 So to put it more positively, you're doing the awesome thing 01:29:55.420 --> 01:29:57.660 of growing total ridership. 01:29:57.660 --> 01:30:01.300 So you don't take one thing away and then expect-- 01:30:01.300 --> 01:30:06.180 - Yeah, there's certainly, there's an economic factor. 01:30:06.180 --> 01:30:09.500 Can we afford both and are they sustainable? 01:30:09.500 --> 01:30:14.500 And I would say, likely, and to keep both the way they are 01:30:14.500 --> 01:30:18.100 is not financially sustainable. 01:30:18.100 --> 01:30:20.220 It doesn't necessarily mean-- - You have to adjust them. 01:30:20.220 --> 01:30:21.740 - You have to adjust them, yes. 01:30:21.740 --> 01:30:28.180 - So I'd be more than happy to refer you 01:30:28.180 --> 01:30:29.500 to these consumer research companies. 01:30:29.500 --> 01:30:32.180 I'm sure your consultants know zillions of 'em 01:30:32.180 --> 01:30:34.020 who might help get insight into that. 01:30:34.020 --> 01:30:39.020 Just to see, really, where is the value to maximize? 01:30:39.020 --> 01:30:44.420 Couple of other questions. 01:30:44.420 --> 01:30:45.780 - Well, before we get off of that one, 01:30:45.780 --> 01:30:48.860 I wanna make sure that I'm not speaking 01:30:48.860 --> 01:30:50.500 on behalf of the board. 01:30:50.500 --> 01:30:52.300 I'm speaking as a transit professional 01:30:52.300 --> 01:30:54.260 on what I would expect to see. 01:30:54.260 --> 01:30:59.260 I have not seen enough of the detailed data from Accenture 01:30:59.260 --> 01:31:01.860 and how it's gonna be presented to the board. 01:31:01.860 --> 01:31:04.940 I'm very excited, all of us are anxious to see it 01:31:04.940 --> 01:31:07.380 so that we can start going, wow, here's the big reveal. 01:31:07.380 --> 01:31:08.420 What are we seeing? 01:31:08.420 --> 01:31:14.020 In aggregate, we're seeing some drop-off on fixed route. 01:31:14.020 --> 01:31:18.820 I explained earlier why, it's multi-faceted reasons. 01:31:18.820 --> 01:31:24.420 But it's not a one-to-one correlation of, 01:31:24.420 --> 01:31:26.220 oh, we're having 1,200 rides over here, 01:31:26.220 --> 01:31:27.660 we've lost 1,200 rides over there. 01:31:27.660 --> 01:31:30.460 There's still people using the fixed route system. 01:31:30.460 --> 01:31:34.180 Until you can kind of track users longitudinally, 01:31:34.180 --> 01:31:36.180 you don't know if you lost them because 01:31:36.180 --> 01:31:41.300 street construction, blah, blah, blah, inconvenience, 01:31:41.300 --> 01:31:44.220 intrinsic losses that you might have had anyway 01:31:44.220 --> 01:31:47.420 or if they converted. 01:31:47.420 --> 01:31:50.580 I don't understand how you could make decisions 01:31:50.580 --> 01:31:51.900 without understanding that. 01:31:51.900 --> 01:31:55.820 I think Accenture probably has all the skills 01:31:55.820 --> 01:31:58.180 to say, how would we get that data? 01:31:58.180 --> 01:32:00.860 I mean, I'm just encouraging that. 01:32:00.860 --> 01:32:03.620 I think it'll be super eye-opening. 01:32:03.620 --> 01:32:04.820 - Interject on that point. 01:32:04.820 --> 01:32:07.140 I recognize that there are privacy issues 01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:08.940 with tracking individual users, but-- 01:32:08.940 --> 01:32:10.940 - Tracking is different than consumer research. 01:32:10.940 --> 01:32:15.100 - Yeah, but I mean, technology can anonymize that data 01:32:15.100 --> 01:32:18.780 and protect privacy while still gathering data. 01:32:18.780 --> 01:32:22.580 - And we're doing that. 01:32:22.580 --> 01:32:24.300 We're getting enough, in my opinion, 01:32:24.300 --> 01:32:28.460 we're getting enough randomized data 01:32:28.460 --> 01:32:32.180 not specific to any individual. 01:32:32.180 --> 01:32:35.420 I believe the type of data sets 01:32:35.420 --> 01:32:37.780 that we're going to be looking at, 01:32:37.780 --> 01:32:41.940 one could make decisions from that data. 01:32:41.940 --> 01:32:42.940 - That'd be awesome. 01:32:42.940 --> 01:32:46.340 Couple of other questions. 01:32:46.340 --> 01:32:48.700 What do you think about the idea of route changes, 01:32:48.700 --> 01:32:51.980 proposed route changes, once the case is kind of constructed, 01:32:53.420 --> 01:32:55.660 coming as part of the process, 01:32:55.660 --> 01:32:59.380 coming to individual cities for input and direction 01:32:59.380 --> 01:33:01.820 and have that be part of what goes to the board? 01:33:01.820 --> 01:33:07.180 We have a lot of advisory bodies 01:33:07.180 --> 01:33:10.180 that we hear from before we make our final decisions, 01:33:10.180 --> 01:33:12.540 and here we have a mobility committee. 01:33:12.540 --> 01:33:13.380 - Sure. 01:33:13.380 --> 01:33:20.060 Part of the public engagement process for transit does that. 01:33:22.580 --> 01:33:26.420 We do it through a open process where, 01:33:26.420 --> 01:33:32.900 so we break it up in really two primary categories 01:33:32.900 --> 01:33:35.260 in transit, major route changes 01:33:35.260 --> 01:33:39.140 where you're going to impact more than 25% of the route, 01:33:39.140 --> 01:33:41.620 or you're going to create a new route. 01:33:41.620 --> 01:33:44.780 And we will go through a public process 01:33:44.780 --> 01:33:47.420 where we literally engage with the community. 01:33:47.420 --> 01:33:50.740 We have very multifaceted approach 01:33:50.740 --> 01:33:53.420 to gate online. 01:33:53.420 --> 01:33:55.620 We go to libraries, we'll go pre-COVID, 01:33:55.620 --> 01:34:00.020 we'll hold a lot of community meetings. 01:34:00.020 --> 01:34:05.420 In my three years, one of the things was for me 01:34:05.420 --> 01:34:06.780 that was incredibly important 01:34:06.780 --> 01:34:10.620 was that we create a social services round table process 01:34:10.620 --> 01:34:15.620 where we meet quarterly with many of the social services 01:34:15.620 --> 01:34:18.300 throughout Denton and Lewisville. 01:34:18.300 --> 01:34:20.060 And it's very collaborative. 01:34:20.060 --> 01:34:24.460 So we use that process to learn about our services, 01:34:24.460 --> 01:34:26.500 how we can modify services. 01:34:26.500 --> 01:34:28.740 We also have a citizens advisory committee 01:34:28.740 --> 01:34:31.620 that allows individuals to sign up to be, 01:34:31.620 --> 01:34:33.620 if they're advocates or passionate about transit 01:34:33.620 --> 01:34:35.860 to provide feedback on all kinds of things, 01:34:35.860 --> 01:34:38.060 including accessibility. 01:34:38.060 --> 01:34:45.060 And part of that process can include presenting 01:34:45.300 --> 01:34:50.300 just like we would if asked to present the budget, 01:34:50.300 --> 01:34:56.180 we can certainly get feedback from cities and the councils. 01:34:56.180 --> 01:35:01.180 Ultimately, I report to the Board of Directors of DCTA, 01:35:01.180 --> 01:35:03.580 the Board of Directors are the ones that vote. 01:35:03.580 --> 01:35:07.420 So I love the fact that there's a lot of interest 01:35:07.420 --> 01:35:10.220 more than there probably has been in a decade. 01:35:10.220 --> 01:35:13.700 - You're suddenly super popular. 01:35:13.700 --> 01:35:15.060 - It's very popular. 01:35:15.060 --> 01:35:18.780 - And important, I do believe transited. 01:35:18.780 --> 01:35:20.900 When you look at the top 10, 01:35:20.900 --> 01:35:25.900 I reached out to Governor Abbott's economic development group 01:35:25.900 --> 01:35:29.460 and we've talked about the top 10 factors 01:35:29.460 --> 01:35:36.540 that are driving companies to relocate to Texas 01:35:36.540 --> 01:35:40.620 and ultimately our region and transits in those top 10, 01:35:40.620 --> 01:35:41.820 there's no question. 01:35:41.820 --> 01:35:46.820 So having a vibrant city with accessible transit 01:35:46.820 --> 01:35:51.820 is absolutely a reason that companies would locate here 01:35:51.820 --> 01:35:54.700 and it's an important asset to have. 01:35:54.700 --> 01:35:57.660 So the more engagement that we have, 01:35:57.660 --> 01:35:59.300 I'm certainly an advocate of that. 01:35:59.300 --> 01:36:01.340 I think the more feedback that we have, 01:36:01.340 --> 01:36:05.500 ultimately your sales tax come into DCTA 01:36:05.500 --> 01:36:09.260 and I've always squarely made the focus of what we do 01:36:10.740 --> 01:36:13.060 to add value back to our stakeholder communities. 01:36:13.060 --> 01:36:15.700 And we do that through our four pillars, 01:36:15.700 --> 01:36:19.780 which is improving mobility, enhancing air quality, 01:36:19.780 --> 01:36:22.500 doing our job to look at ways of doing that, 01:36:22.500 --> 01:36:27.500 improving the livability for your citizens 01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:32.500 and being a good partner with regard to economic mobility 01:36:32.500 --> 01:36:36.820 and economic development, excuse me. 01:36:36.820 --> 01:36:40.660 And we do that through transit oriented development projects 01:36:40.660 --> 01:36:43.700 there's a lot of work and discussion we need to have 01:36:43.700 --> 01:36:46.460 around the train stations 'cause there's a lot of land, 01:36:46.460 --> 01:36:49.540 DCTA can be a great partner. 01:36:49.540 --> 01:36:55.580 We helped quite a bit in the dialogue for a developer 01:36:55.580 --> 01:37:00.220 to actually acquire land around the DDTC. 01:37:00.220 --> 01:37:01.420 And I know there's a lot of interest 01:37:01.420 --> 01:37:03.260 in what do we do with that. 01:37:03.260 --> 01:37:05.140 So there's a lot of value creation that can come, 01:37:05.140 --> 01:37:07.140 we can be a great partner to you 01:37:07.140 --> 01:37:09.820 because we can compete for federal dollars 01:37:09.820 --> 01:37:14.820 if we work together and we compete to get federal dollars 01:37:14.820 --> 01:37:20.100 that could be as much as 80.20, so 80 cents on the dollar. 01:37:20.100 --> 01:37:21.540 But I wanna do that. 01:37:21.540 --> 01:37:24.500 I wanna work through your board appointee 01:37:24.500 --> 01:37:27.500 and with this council to talk about that, 01:37:27.500 --> 01:37:31.780 how we make Denton more livable, 01:37:31.780 --> 01:37:34.340 more competitive on a national level. 01:37:34.340 --> 01:37:38.660 And more than ever before this agency is more accessible 01:37:40.580 --> 01:37:42.660 it's more engaged regionally. 01:37:42.660 --> 01:37:45.300 What we've done has piqued the interest nationally 01:37:45.300 --> 01:37:47.700 of a lot of folks that are in transit. 01:37:47.700 --> 01:37:49.540 So I think our future is bright 01:37:49.540 --> 01:37:52.140 and I really look forward to continuing this relationship 01:37:52.140 --> 01:37:54.140 and this dialogue and hope that you stay engaged 01:37:54.140 --> 01:37:57.580 at this level in transit, thank you. 01:37:57.580 --> 01:37:59.500 - Keep you standing a little longer, 01:37:59.500 --> 01:38:02.420 I have a couple of other areas I wanna explore. 01:38:02.420 --> 01:38:04.380 I appreciate your coming here. 01:38:04.380 --> 01:38:09.700 Our interest is intense, it's been lively topic 01:38:09.700 --> 01:38:14.700 and it is, as you alluded, it's all synergistic 01:38:14.700 --> 01:38:17.460 with economic development, with our environmental impacts, 01:38:17.460 --> 01:38:20.180 so we have lots of reasons to care. 01:38:20.180 --> 01:38:23.980 Specifically, you brought up air quality. 01:38:23.980 --> 01:38:26.380 What are the prospects for with VIA 01:38:26.380 --> 01:38:28.940 toward moving toward an electric fleet? 01:38:28.940 --> 01:38:32.820 The problem when you're displacing individual car rides 01:38:32.820 --> 01:38:37.500 with VIA is somebody's gonna drive to the pickup point 01:38:37.500 --> 01:38:38.460 and then after they drop them off 01:38:38.460 --> 01:38:39.820 they're gonna drive somewhere else, 01:38:39.820 --> 01:38:42.940 so you're actually, on the margin, 01:38:42.940 --> 01:38:45.700 some studies showed negatively impacting the environment, 01:38:45.700 --> 01:38:50.020 but if you're replacing internal combustion 01:38:50.020 --> 01:38:52.460 with electric, that's a plus. 01:38:52.460 --> 01:38:57.300 So what's your sense of the prospects there 01:38:57.300 --> 01:38:59.100 for ending up with an electric fleet? 01:38:59.100 --> 01:39:05.220 - It's something that we certainly need as a board 01:39:05.220 --> 01:39:08.420 to have dialogue with staff. 01:39:08.420 --> 01:39:13.420 I'm looking forward to having a strategic discussion 01:39:13.420 --> 01:39:15.980 with the board of what are the top priorities. 01:39:15.980 --> 01:39:17.700 It's one that I've already talked to, 01:39:17.700 --> 01:39:21.900 we'll likely have Accenture lead our strategic workshop, 01:39:21.900 --> 01:39:25.220 but it is a topic that will be brought forth. 01:39:25.220 --> 01:39:31.580 The challenge is understanding the dynamics of our fleet 01:39:31.580 --> 01:39:33.100 and what it's gonna look like in the future, 01:39:33.100 --> 01:39:35.300 so you can probably appreciate-- - I meant their fleet 01:39:35.300 --> 01:39:37.500 as well, I know when you say our fleet, 01:39:37.500 --> 01:39:38.940 I was talking about VIA, but-- 01:39:38.940 --> 01:39:41.420 - Well, so I'm gonna say our fleet and VIA's fleet, 01:39:41.420 --> 01:39:45.900 so the good news is that VIA does have the ability, 01:39:45.900 --> 01:39:50.540 they do have a sustainability strategy, 01:39:50.540 --> 01:39:52.940 so they have access to electric vehicles. 01:39:52.940 --> 01:39:56.900 That implies that we need electric infrastructure, 01:39:56.900 --> 01:39:59.860 charge stations, how does that work, where are they? 01:39:59.860 --> 01:40:02.580 As you can imagine, that infrastructure 01:40:02.580 --> 01:40:07.580 can be very expensive and probably that's the biggest 01:40:07.580 --> 01:40:12.060 head scratcher for a transit system of our size 01:40:12.060 --> 01:40:15.340 is does it, from the economics perspective, 01:40:15.340 --> 01:40:18.380 does it, certainly there's folks that would love 01:40:18.380 --> 01:40:21.980 to sell us electric vehicles and bundle all that in 01:40:21.980 --> 01:40:26.260 to a supply of energy and you look at that 01:40:26.260 --> 01:40:28.460 over the lifetime of the vehicle, 01:40:28.460 --> 01:40:31.060 so it's getting a lot easier to just find somebody 01:40:31.060 --> 01:40:33.260 who'll bundle all that up and sell it to you. 01:40:33.260 --> 01:40:37.020 You have to look beyond that and say, is that sustainable? 01:40:37.020 --> 01:40:42.020 And in order, the sustainability of an electric fleet 01:40:42.020 --> 01:40:43.820 and what does that look like? 01:40:43.820 --> 01:40:45.900 So we can certainly buy electric buses. 01:40:45.900 --> 01:40:50.300 There's questions across the industry as to the scalability 01:40:50.300 --> 01:40:52.380 of converting all of your fleet to electric, 01:40:52.380 --> 01:40:55.700 as you can imagine, to energize an entire fleet 01:40:55.700 --> 01:40:59.220 could take a small substation to do. 01:40:59.220 --> 01:41:02.860 And there's in lies the question is, is it economical to do? 01:41:02.860 --> 01:41:05.020 So a lot of transit agencies have gone 01:41:05.020 --> 01:41:08.460 and they've purchased 10, 12, 20 of them, 01:41:08.460 --> 01:41:11.060 but getting beyond that is a challenge. 01:41:11.060 --> 01:41:13.740 I very much want to look at our fleet 01:41:13.740 --> 01:41:17.060 and starting this year and see if we can, 01:41:17.060 --> 01:41:20.820 whether it be via or DCTA, not only look at electric, 01:41:20.820 --> 01:41:23.340 but also hydrogen is starting to become a big issue. 01:41:23.340 --> 01:41:24.420 I mean, you can't pick up a paper 01:41:24.420 --> 01:41:27.300 without reading something about hydrogen. 01:41:27.300 --> 01:41:30.980 - So there are transit agencies that have been 01:41:30.980 --> 01:41:34.020 in the bus business building now electric, 01:41:34.020 --> 01:41:37.180 probably third, fourth generation electric vehicles 01:41:37.180 --> 01:41:39.540 that are also starting to talk about, 01:41:39.540 --> 01:41:41.140 well, what about a hydrogen platform? 01:41:41.140 --> 01:41:43.300 'Cause it's basically the same platform. 01:41:43.300 --> 01:41:46.540 It still needs a battery, but now they have hydrogen 01:41:46.540 --> 01:41:48.740 that it's kind of a hybrid solution. 01:41:48.740 --> 01:41:50.020 So yes, very much. 01:41:50.020 --> 01:41:54.580 We need to take a look at from a sustainability perspective. 01:41:54.580 --> 01:41:56.420 I'm excited about looking at that. 01:41:56.420 --> 01:41:57.900 I also want to make sure that we were in 01:41:57.900 --> 01:42:00.340 third or fourth generation technology. 01:42:00.340 --> 01:42:04.300 Your bigger transit properties can afford to get involved 01:42:04.300 --> 01:42:06.660 in that and they have a larger maintenance team. 01:42:06.660 --> 01:42:08.300 The last thing I want to do is put the burden 01:42:08.300 --> 01:42:11.460 of having two completely different technology platforms 01:42:11.460 --> 01:42:13.460 that a small maintenance team has to address. 01:42:13.460 --> 01:42:16.700 - Yeah, let me put something on your radar 01:42:16.700 --> 01:42:19.020 and then I have one more topic after this. 01:42:19.020 --> 01:42:23.880 And this is why it's great that we're in better dialogue. 01:42:25.020 --> 01:42:28.980 City of Denton just established a sustainability fund 01:42:28.980 --> 01:42:33.980 that is basically fueled by our core scientific deal, 01:42:33.980 --> 01:42:38.820 but there'll be probably other data centers in the future 01:42:38.820 --> 01:42:43.580 and more opportunities to fund the sustainability fund. 01:42:43.580 --> 01:42:47.460 It's the task of the Sustainability Framework 01:42:47.460 --> 01:42:51.340 Advisory Committee to develop a work plan 01:42:51.340 --> 01:42:54.060 and figure out what are the projects 01:42:54.060 --> 01:42:57.780 that would have the most sustainability impact. 01:42:57.780 --> 01:43:01.700 And I'm agnostic and I'm certainly open to the possibility 01:43:01.700 --> 01:43:04.300 that what you're describing supporting 01:43:04.300 --> 01:43:11.420 electric or hydrogen infrastructure for public transit 01:43:11.420 --> 01:43:16.420 that may end up high on the list. 01:43:16.420 --> 01:43:18.580 I mean that needs to be evaluated. 01:43:18.580 --> 01:43:20.180 So I just kind of put that out there. 01:43:20.180 --> 01:43:21.460 - You have some great resources. 01:43:21.460 --> 01:43:24.300 I mean, Landfill develops methane. 01:43:24.300 --> 01:43:26.860 It used to be considered a nuisance 01:43:26.860 --> 01:43:31.540 and now it's actually, methane is easily convertible 01:43:31.540 --> 01:43:34.820 to hydrogen, green hydrogen as it's called in the industry. 01:43:34.820 --> 01:43:36.180 So you have blue and green, right? 01:43:36.180 --> 01:43:39.740 Blue is generated from natural gas. 01:43:39.740 --> 01:43:42.540 Green, which is everybody's desire 01:43:42.540 --> 01:43:47.540 is to use sustainable forms of gas 01:43:47.540 --> 01:43:49.700 to convert it over to hydrogen 01:43:49.700 --> 01:43:51.740 and one of the prevailing ideas 01:43:51.740 --> 01:43:54.660 is to use your landfill gas to convert to hydrogen. 01:43:54.660 --> 01:43:57.100 And then hydrogen can be converted to electric power. 01:43:57.100 --> 01:43:58.940 I mean, there's all kinds of very interesting, 01:43:58.940 --> 01:44:01.020 exciting things coming in the future. 01:44:01.020 --> 01:44:04.420 - Okay. 01:44:04.420 --> 01:44:06.940 - So we currently are undertaking 01:44:06.940 --> 01:44:11.540 a multimillion dollar project to collect methane 01:44:11.540 --> 01:44:14.820 from the landfill and sell it to Atmos 01:44:14.820 --> 01:44:16.700 and put it into a pipeline. 01:44:16.700 --> 01:44:19.180 Would that preclude what you're talking about? 01:44:19.180 --> 01:44:20.660 - It just depends on the agreements 01:44:20.660 --> 01:44:23.060 and the way they're structured. 01:44:23.060 --> 01:44:24.820 I don't know they would preclude it. 01:44:24.820 --> 01:44:27.260 It's just, where's the source coming from? 01:44:27.260 --> 01:44:33.300 A lot of landfills will sell their methane. 01:44:33.300 --> 01:44:35.900 Either they'll convert it on property 01:44:35.900 --> 01:44:37.300 and literally put it into the grid 01:44:37.300 --> 01:44:39.380 or they'll sell it to Atmos or someone else 01:44:39.380 --> 01:44:44.260 and then they'll use the gas just like anyone else would. 01:44:44.260 --> 01:44:49.260 So a source could literally be, a green source, 01:44:49.260 --> 01:44:52.420 sustainable source would be landfill gas. 01:44:52.420 --> 01:44:55.740 Another source, which is considered blue, 01:44:55.740 --> 01:44:57.060 would be literally using the gas 01:44:57.060 --> 01:44:59.460 coming from the Atmos pipeline. 01:44:59.460 --> 01:45:03.580 But if their supply is actually methane from a landfill, 01:45:03.580 --> 01:45:06.220 then you meet the same end result. 01:45:06.220 --> 01:45:08.060 I don't think that it would preclude, 01:45:08.060 --> 01:45:11.660 if we were to decide to do something together, 01:45:12.780 --> 01:45:14.660 even if it was in the hydrogen. 01:45:14.660 --> 01:45:16.940 Electric is 10 times easier to do 01:45:16.940 --> 01:45:19.500 'cause it's already available. 01:45:19.500 --> 01:45:22.180 Hydrogen is a few years down the road. 01:45:22.180 --> 01:45:24.220 But as you start talking about sustainability 01:45:24.220 --> 01:45:29.220 and being a leader, there's no doubt even 01:45:29.220 --> 01:45:33.420 at a federal level that there's a lot more discussion 01:45:33.420 --> 01:45:35.180 about making sure that there's parity 01:45:35.180 --> 01:45:37.980 between electrification and hydrogen projects. 01:45:37.980 --> 01:45:41.900 The rest of the world, I'll say, 01:45:41.900 --> 01:45:43.380 there's other portions of the world 01:45:43.380 --> 01:45:47.180 that are further down the road with regard to hydrogen. 01:45:47.180 --> 01:45:50.980 But we shouldn't exclude either one of those. 01:45:50.980 --> 01:45:55.460 - Yeah, I would just say that electric exists 01:45:55.460 --> 01:45:58.460 and if we can find a way to, who knows? 01:45:58.460 --> 01:46:01.140 Charging stations may also be part 01:46:01.140 --> 01:46:03.620 of what might make sense to fund. 01:46:03.620 --> 01:46:08.620 And if we get you on electric from our resources, 01:46:08.620 --> 01:46:11.300 it's gonna be sourced from renewables 01:46:11.300 --> 01:46:14.420 in the first place and then you have the emissions benefit. 01:46:14.420 --> 01:46:19.500 I promised I have only one more topic, 01:46:19.500 --> 01:46:21.140 so I'll just get to that one. 01:46:21.140 --> 01:46:24.780 And I really appreciate your patience 01:46:24.780 --> 01:46:27.100 and talking with us today. 01:46:27.100 --> 01:46:30.980 On the topic of pay, we're interested 01:46:30.980 --> 01:46:33.780 in the economic development impacts, 01:46:33.780 --> 01:46:37.100 environmental impacts, and we care about the impacts 01:46:37.100 --> 01:46:40.620 on the drivers themselves and on that impact 01:46:40.620 --> 01:46:41.620 on our local economy. 01:46:41.620 --> 01:46:44.180 So I just really wanna probe a little bit, 01:46:44.180 --> 01:46:48.820 why is it beyond the pale to have a term 01:46:48.820 --> 01:46:53.820 of your agreement to be that the drivers make what they make, 01:46:53.820 --> 01:47:00.820 not based on what vehicle they drive? 01:47:00.820 --> 01:47:04.260 In other words, why is pay equity 01:47:04.260 --> 01:47:06.300 beyond the pale for a contract? 01:47:06.300 --> 01:47:09.700 And obviously, I would expect that would cost more. 01:47:09.700 --> 01:47:12.180 I mean, I'm not saying VIA must make less, 01:47:12.180 --> 01:47:16.660 but why is that not available to evaluate 01:47:16.660 --> 01:47:17.900 if we're interested in the impact 01:47:17.900 --> 01:47:20.780 on drivers and on local economy? 01:47:20.780 --> 01:47:23.340 - Are you speaking specifically about-- 01:47:23.340 --> 01:47:24.580 - VIA. - VIA. 01:47:24.580 --> 01:47:27.540 - Yeah, or however we end up doing microtransit. 01:47:27.540 --> 01:47:32.900 - I don't think it's common practice 01:47:32.900 --> 01:47:37.900 to dictate to a corporation what they should pay 01:47:37.900 --> 01:47:38.860 their employees. 01:47:39.940 --> 01:47:42.460 I just don't think that that's common. 01:47:42.460 --> 01:47:44.260 I might not be understanding specifically. 01:47:44.260 --> 01:47:45.540 - No, no, I think you are understanding. 01:47:45.540 --> 01:47:50.540 Just like, I mean, I don't personally feel compelled 01:47:50.540 --> 01:47:53.300 by only doing what's common. 01:47:53.300 --> 01:47:57.340 If it's a value to us and there's a mutual agreement 01:47:57.340 --> 01:48:00.300 at arm's length, you know, I kind of think 01:48:00.300 --> 01:48:01.660 like anything's negotiable. 01:48:01.660 --> 01:48:06.460 So, and that's really my question. 01:48:06.460 --> 01:48:09.260 Not common, but if the board were to determine 01:48:09.260 --> 01:48:13.540 that that was a value, is it not achievable? 01:48:13.540 --> 01:48:18.340 - The challenge, especially with the dynamics 01:48:18.340 --> 01:48:22.300 of a particular company is if we say we want you to pay 01:48:22.300 --> 01:48:25.620 for, you know, let's say a particular range, 01:48:25.620 --> 01:48:29.220 they can build that into their model. 01:48:29.220 --> 01:48:34.180 If that means that it's gonna cost us more, 01:48:34.180 --> 01:48:36.540 so be it, it might cost us more. 01:48:39.540 --> 01:48:41.660 I get concerned. 01:48:41.660 --> 01:48:43.180 - And then that's a business decision, right? 01:48:43.180 --> 01:48:44.020 Back to that. 01:48:44.020 --> 01:48:46.060 - It's a business decision, but I also get concerned 01:48:46.060 --> 01:48:50.020 about providing callers and contracts. 01:48:50.020 --> 01:48:55.180 So one of the dynamic things that they can do is, 01:48:55.180 --> 01:48:57.860 as I mentioned before, and this is common practice 01:48:57.860 --> 01:49:01.220 even for Uber and Lyft, they do surge pricing 01:49:01.220 --> 01:49:05.460 on customers, but they can also surge, incentivize 01:49:05.460 --> 01:49:10.460 their employees, if they need to, to work certain hours 01:49:10.460 --> 01:49:13.380 that we're having a challenge filling 01:49:13.380 --> 01:49:15.460 because it's late at night or it's in the middle of the day 01:49:15.460 --> 01:49:17.740 or whatever, and if somebody can make more money 01:49:17.740 --> 01:49:19.980 doing something, maybe that entices them. 01:49:19.980 --> 01:49:23.340 And I think looking at one or two variables 01:49:23.340 --> 01:49:27.940 in a corporate infrastructure as a public entity 01:49:27.940 --> 01:49:29.500 and saying we want you to address this, 01:49:29.500 --> 01:49:33.180 it's like macro microeconomics is you're looking 01:49:33.180 --> 01:49:36.020 at one variable, but there's multiple variables 01:49:36.020 --> 01:49:39.020 in their business model that makes sense for them. 01:49:39.020 --> 01:49:40.420 I'm not saying that we couldn't do it. 01:49:40.420 --> 01:49:44.340 It's something that could be broached with the board. 01:49:44.340 --> 01:49:47.220 - Yeah, no, it's all depends on is that a value 01:49:47.220 --> 01:49:49.660 that the board prioritizes? 01:49:49.660 --> 01:49:54.660 - And we did, I believe it was one of the meetings. 01:49:54.660 --> 01:49:56.780 I don't think it's important which one, 01:49:56.780 --> 01:49:59.900 but there was some initial dialogue about that 01:49:59.900 --> 01:50:04.900 at the board level, I don't think we felt at that point 01:50:04.900 --> 01:50:10.380 that it warranted us going back and amending our contract. 01:50:10.380 --> 01:50:16.540 I will say it's important that we pay competitively. 01:50:16.540 --> 01:50:22.180 I say we were contracted with NTMC to provide services. 01:50:22.180 --> 01:50:24.380 They just did their own analysis. 01:50:24.380 --> 01:50:29.380 And we're not significantly out of round, 01:50:29.860 --> 01:50:34.860 we're probably 50 cents or less than a dollar on wage 01:50:34.860 --> 01:50:39.780 in comparison to training Metro and Dart. 01:50:39.780 --> 01:50:42.140 And there's variability in the scale. 01:50:42.140 --> 01:50:48.380 But I think for, if you, we heard directly 01:50:48.380 --> 01:50:52.020 at the NTMC board meeting from the president 01:50:52.020 --> 01:50:54.760 of the management team that is responsible 01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.060 for managing the staff, that he felt that building 01:50:58.060 --> 01:51:03.060 a more, a better culture, a great place to work 01:51:03.060 --> 01:51:08.860 where people take pride in the work that they do, 01:51:08.860 --> 01:51:11.980 that they have comfort, that they're coming to a job 01:51:11.980 --> 01:51:16.660 that they can rely on is more important most times 01:51:16.660 --> 01:51:19.460 than 25 cents or 50 cents an hour. 01:51:19.460 --> 01:51:22.260 So I think if we can focus on that, stay competitive, 01:51:22.260 --> 01:51:25.780 but we're not in training Metro's area or Dart. 01:51:25.780 --> 01:51:30.380 So while we're all competing for folks, 01:51:30.380 --> 01:51:32.420 the economics are a little bit different here in Denton 01:51:32.420 --> 01:51:35.020 than they are in training Metro, but not enough 01:51:35.020 --> 01:51:38.460 that it would warrant a significant pay differential. 01:51:38.460 --> 01:51:41.740 So we're looking at pay to make sure, 01:51:41.740 --> 01:51:43.940 look, people vote with their feet. 01:51:43.940 --> 01:51:46.980 If they can make more working somewhere else, 01:51:46.980 --> 01:51:49.300 they're gonna go somewhere else. 01:51:49.300 --> 01:51:53.900 And even though we look at wages every three years 01:51:53.900 --> 01:51:57.140 with the ATU, if it makes sense, 01:51:57.140 --> 01:52:00.380 if we're losing too many people, we can't retain staff. 01:52:00.380 --> 01:52:02.980 We're obviously not being competitive. 01:52:02.980 --> 01:52:03.820 So that needs to be looked at. 01:52:03.820 --> 01:52:06.180 - Let me just give you a better insight 01:52:06.180 --> 01:52:07.020 into where I'm coming from 01:52:07.020 --> 01:52:09.100 and then I'm happy to leave it at that. 01:52:09.100 --> 01:52:13.460 We get all kinds of pressure from the public 01:52:13.460 --> 01:52:16.860 and a lot of it's been based around this idea 01:52:16.860 --> 01:52:21.240 that what kind of services provided should be driven 01:52:21.240 --> 01:52:23.500 by whether they're unionized or not. 01:52:23.500 --> 01:52:28.500 And I think that what kind of services that are provided 01:52:28.500 --> 01:52:33.180 should be based on what meets ridership needs 01:52:33.180 --> 01:52:36.620 and maximizes our service to the population. 01:52:36.620 --> 01:52:39.580 And if we can take that issue out of it, 01:52:39.580 --> 01:52:44.580 that what you make doesn't depend on what you drive for us. 01:52:44.580 --> 01:52:49.340 You know, it kind of takes a false pressure 01:52:49.340 --> 01:52:51.620 out of the equation. 01:52:51.620 --> 01:52:54.540 That's the genesis of what I think. 01:52:54.540 --> 01:52:56.740 - Thank you for that clarification. 01:52:56.740 --> 01:52:59.860 So we have two pay scales. 01:52:59.860 --> 01:53:04.460 That was driven by trying to incent 01:53:04.460 --> 01:53:08.540 people that have to go get a CDL license 01:53:08.540 --> 01:53:13.040 or that have a CDL license, that they get additional pay 01:53:13.040 --> 01:53:17.220 because it's real easy for somebody with a CDL license 01:53:17.220 --> 01:53:20.180 to go to work somewhere else and make a lot more money. 01:53:22.620 --> 01:53:25.740 And we need a lot of non-CDL drivers 01:53:25.740 --> 01:53:29.620 that don't require a big bus because we have cutaways 01:53:29.620 --> 01:53:33.580 and we have vans and we were providing our own on demand. 01:53:33.580 --> 01:53:36.860 So we wanted to make sure that we were getting access 01:53:36.860 --> 01:53:39.540 to a different workforce. 01:53:39.540 --> 01:53:44.300 That was the original reason 01:53:44.300 --> 01:53:48.220 that we created this dual pay scale. 01:53:51.660 --> 01:53:54.900 - I will say this about, I tend to not look at 01:53:54.900 --> 01:53:57.560 whether it's union or non. 01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:00.620 I try to look at it as, are we being fair? 01:54:00.620 --> 01:54:03.860 If we're doing our job as an employer 01:54:03.860 --> 01:54:05.320 and we're making sure that people are making 01:54:05.320 --> 01:54:08.060 a competitive wage, that they have good healthcare. 01:54:08.060 --> 01:54:12.560 I've been an advocate for our operators maintenance folks 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:14.900 to get paid fairly. 01:54:14.900 --> 01:54:19.860 There were years where we were a couple of dollars lower. 01:54:19.860 --> 01:54:22.500 We've done, I think, a great job with the board 01:54:22.500 --> 01:54:25.580 in making sure that the pay scale was more competitive 01:54:25.580 --> 01:54:28.880 because people need to be making a living wage. 01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:33.460 When I stepped in the leadership role, 01:54:33.460 --> 01:54:37.860 I was looking at the amount of take-home pay 01:54:37.860 --> 01:54:42.320 in comparison to the insurance and benefits 01:54:42.320 --> 01:54:44.380 that operators and others were getting. 01:54:44.380 --> 01:54:47.420 It was not good, significant. 01:54:47.420 --> 01:54:49.280 I mean, we didn't have a lot of participation. 01:54:49.280 --> 01:54:54.140 So you'd go, hey, look, our insurance costs are low. 01:54:54.140 --> 01:54:54.980 That's great. 01:54:54.980 --> 01:54:58.260 Well, not really because people, if they need benefits 01:54:58.260 --> 01:55:00.140 and don't have access to them, 01:55:00.140 --> 01:55:02.700 it's not a good competitive environment. 01:55:02.700 --> 01:55:04.020 So we've taken great strides 01:55:04.020 --> 01:55:05.740 and the board's been supportive 01:55:05.740 --> 01:55:08.220 of improving the healthcare plans 01:55:08.220 --> 01:55:10.500 for folks to make it a living wage 01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:12.020 and to make, again, to try to build 01:55:12.020 --> 01:55:14.120 and instill pride in what we do. 01:55:14.120 --> 01:55:17.620 Having worked on the West Coast, 01:55:17.620 --> 01:55:20.900 there's some interesting things about that, 01:55:20.900 --> 01:55:23.460 but it taught me a lot over 10 years. 01:55:23.460 --> 01:55:27.340 It taught me a lot about value creation. 01:55:27.340 --> 01:55:29.980 And in many cases, people will work for less money 01:55:29.980 --> 01:55:31.460 if they love where they work 01:55:31.460 --> 01:55:32.780 and they love what they're doing. 01:55:32.780 --> 01:55:33.620 - Absolutely. 01:55:33.620 --> 01:55:36.420 - And so the CEO of the management firm said, 01:55:36.420 --> 01:55:39.060 every day when I'm at lunch, I'm watching, 01:55:39.060 --> 01:55:42.420 I'm looking, I'm recruiting people that have passion, 01:55:42.420 --> 01:55:43.900 that work really hard, 01:55:43.900 --> 01:55:47.780 and I try to recruit them into becoming a part 01:55:47.780 --> 01:55:52.100 of our organization because you build a great culture 01:55:52.100 --> 01:55:55.260 that way, you build a team of passionate people 01:55:55.260 --> 01:55:56.580 that love what they do. 01:55:56.580 --> 01:55:59.140 And our job is to pay them fairly, 01:55:59.140 --> 01:56:00.900 make sure that they have healthcare 01:56:00.900 --> 01:56:05.900 and build a organization where people want to come to work. 01:56:05.900 --> 01:56:12.620 And so union and non-union, to me, that's our mission, 01:56:12.620 --> 01:56:15.140 is we're not here to create jobs, 01:56:15.140 --> 01:56:17.100 we're here to provide mobility. 01:56:17.100 --> 01:56:18.500 But in order to do that, 01:56:18.500 --> 01:56:22.460 we have to have happy, healthy employees 01:56:22.460 --> 01:56:23.540 that love what they do. 01:56:23.540 --> 01:56:26.740 And that's certainly, I'm interested in doing that. 01:56:26.740 --> 01:56:31.060 Whether we're contracting to work out to VIA or to MTMC, 01:56:31.060 --> 01:56:32.340 that's always top of my mind, 01:56:32.340 --> 01:56:36.320 is to create a competent, healthy, passionate workforce. 01:56:39.020 --> 01:56:42.820 - I'm so grateful for us having this dialogue. 01:56:42.820 --> 01:56:45.260 Let's see if there are any other questions 01:56:45.260 --> 01:56:47.900 and give you a break. - Thank you, thank you. 01:56:47.900 --> 01:56:51.180 - I just have one, I don't have a question, 01:56:51.180 --> 01:56:53.740 but I do want to comment on what you just said 01:56:53.740 --> 01:56:57.220 about we're not here to create jobs. 01:56:57.220 --> 01:57:02.220 Whenever we are looking at another company to come in, 01:57:02.220 --> 01:57:06.380 whenever there's a company that wants to come into Denton, 01:57:06.380 --> 01:57:08.540 that's one of the first things they say to us 01:57:08.540 --> 01:57:11.660 is that we're here to create jobs 01:57:11.660 --> 01:57:14.940 and we have high-paying jobs. 01:57:14.940 --> 01:57:19.260 That we can't help but to think in those terms 01:57:19.260 --> 01:57:24.260 because we're here to create a space 01:57:24.260 --> 01:57:27.140 where people want to live, work, and play. 01:57:27.140 --> 01:57:30.900 So I'm not objecting to you saying it, 01:57:30.900 --> 01:57:35.900 I'm just making the observation that you should be, 01:57:36.540 --> 01:57:41.340 or not you, but the system should be in a process 01:57:41.340 --> 01:57:45.660 of creating jobs that are sustainable 01:57:45.660 --> 01:57:49.820 for people to want to live, work, and play in Denton. 01:57:49.820 --> 01:57:51.940 - Yeah, yes, and I appreciate you. 01:57:51.940 --> 01:57:56.940 - With that being said, we might want to add that 01:57:56.940 --> 01:58:02.560 to the context of making sure that everybody is happy 01:58:04.180 --> 01:58:08.260 and healthy and the job has been created 01:58:08.260 --> 01:58:09.580 to fit their skill. 01:58:09.580 --> 01:58:12.220 - Well, thank you for calling me out on that 01:58:12.220 --> 01:58:16.620 'cause that's not, while I certainly said it, 01:58:16.620 --> 01:58:18.260 that really wasn't what I meant. 01:58:18.260 --> 01:58:20.500 It was like we're not creating jobs 01:58:20.500 --> 01:58:22.980 just for the sake of creating jobs. 01:58:22.980 --> 01:58:26.900 We wanna create jobs that are meaningful, that employ folks, 01:58:26.900 --> 01:58:31.900 and that is certainly something that is top of mind at a, 01:58:33.420 --> 01:58:36.420 I was asked to speak at a chamber event 01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:38.920 and one of the things that they were doing 01:58:38.920 --> 01:58:42.740 was honoring DCTA for being an employer, 01:58:42.740 --> 01:58:45.260 a large employer in their city. 01:58:45.260 --> 01:58:49.300 And job creation, upward mobility for folks, 01:58:49.300 --> 01:58:52.260 is to the core of what we do and that's what I said. 01:58:52.260 --> 01:58:54.700 So I appreciate you calling me out on that one 01:58:54.700 --> 01:58:57.620 because it's not, that was not my intent 01:58:57.620 --> 01:58:59.460 to make that statement in that way. 01:58:59.460 --> 01:59:00.300 Thank you. 01:59:00.300 --> 01:59:02.580 - Anything else? 01:59:03.500 --> 01:59:04.780 - I was gonna make the same. 01:59:04.780 --> 01:59:08.620 - The same comment that I recognize DCTA 01:59:08.620 --> 01:59:11.060 is not a make work program, 01:59:11.060 --> 01:59:15.020 but there are certainly opportunities to create jobs 01:59:15.020 --> 01:59:19.000 as we serve more people hopefully in the future. 01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:21.580 - Yes, thank you, thank you for your point. 01:59:21.580 --> 01:59:23.340 - I'm just, I'm really grateful 01:59:23.340 --> 01:59:26.220 that we can have a really frank and robust exchange 01:59:26.220 --> 01:59:29.060 and I look forward to more and I'm very excited 01:59:29.060 --> 01:59:32.020 about the future of DCTA. 01:59:32.020 --> 01:59:32.860 Thank you. 01:59:32.860 --> 01:59:33.700 - Thank you for the time 01:59:33.700 --> 01:59:36.980 and I very much enjoy this engagement. 01:59:36.980 --> 01:59:39.420 I think it'll build a better transit system 01:59:39.420 --> 01:59:43.220 for your community, the more feedback that we get. 01:59:43.220 --> 01:59:48.220 If anything, I err on providing more than less information. 01:59:48.220 --> 01:59:51.900 So if you need to, just kind of tell me, 01:59:51.900 --> 01:59:54.860 okay, we've heard enough because I'm passionate about it 01:59:54.860 --> 01:59:59.060 and I am very much a, and you can ask our board, 01:59:59.060 --> 02:00:02.240 I'm very much a believer in servant leadership 02:00:02.240 --> 02:00:05.180 and I always have very direct every morning 02:00:05.180 --> 02:00:08.140 that I wake up that I serve the Lord, 02:00:08.140 --> 02:00:11.620 I serve your community, I serve our board 02:00:11.620 --> 02:00:15.180 and I serve all of our employees and contractors. 02:00:15.180 --> 02:00:18.860 And I differ very little between whether you work 02:00:18.860 --> 02:00:21.060 for a contractor or you're a direct employee 02:00:21.060 --> 02:00:24.860 because we all are here to deliver service to our public. 02:00:24.860 --> 02:00:27.740 And I appreciate the service that you provide 02:00:27.740 --> 02:00:31.540 sometimes late into or early into the mornings in serving. 02:00:31.540 --> 02:00:32.940 And so we're all public servants 02:00:32.940 --> 02:00:34.580 and I'm passionate about it. 02:00:34.580 --> 02:00:36.840 - If we're a little cranky, maybe it's lack of sleep. 02:00:36.840 --> 02:00:38.260 (laughing) 02:00:38.260 --> 02:00:39.740 - Yes, so thank you very much. 02:00:39.740 --> 02:00:40.800 - Yeah, you're welcome. 02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:41.820 - Mayor Pro Temel-- 02:00:41.820 --> 02:00:44.660 - See what you got yourself into, Brittany. 02:00:44.660 --> 02:00:46.140 - Mayor Pro Temelzer, if I may, 02:00:46.140 --> 02:00:47.860 I wanted to address one of the comments 02:00:47.860 --> 02:00:49.940 that came up during the conversation 02:00:49.940 --> 02:00:53.300 and it's something Council Member McGuire 02:00:53.300 --> 02:00:55.020 started out the conversation with 02:00:55.020 --> 02:00:57.020 and just wanted to let you all know 02:00:57.020 --> 02:00:59.420 that Mr. Suarez and our team 02:00:59.420 --> 02:01:01.400 is just now beginning a relationship. 02:01:01.400 --> 02:01:03.940 So I did hear some feedback about 02:01:03.940 --> 02:01:05.340 not necessarily understanding 02:01:05.340 --> 02:01:06.840 where all of the construction projects 02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:08.940 are happening amongst the city. 02:01:08.940 --> 02:01:11.220 And I know you all know that responsiveness 02:01:11.220 --> 02:01:13.940 and accountability are very important for our department. 02:01:13.940 --> 02:01:15.900 So I'm gonna request that we set up a meeting 02:01:15.900 --> 02:01:17.740 so we can explain some of the areas 02:01:17.740 --> 02:01:19.300 of which we actually communicate 02:01:19.300 --> 02:01:21.460 with our residents and our citizens. 02:01:21.460 --> 02:01:24.740 I know you're all aware of Discuss Denton, 02:01:24.740 --> 02:01:26.660 the street construction report. 02:01:26.660 --> 02:01:29.380 We have monthly coordination meetings 02:01:29.380 --> 02:01:34.380 with many other folks, DISD, TWU, UNT, TxDOT. 02:01:34.380 --> 02:01:36.540 I think it's very important 02:01:36.540 --> 02:01:38.980 that we start those collaborations with DCTA 02:01:38.980 --> 02:01:41.900 so that they understand where the projects are 02:01:41.900 --> 02:01:43.740 that our team is delivering 02:01:43.740 --> 02:01:47.220 or other departments are delivering amongst the city. 02:01:47.220 --> 02:01:51.260 We are in the process of putting together that CIP map 02:01:51.260 --> 02:01:52.980 that we've been working through, 02:01:52.980 --> 02:01:56.180 through the Procore system, our new software system. 02:01:56.180 --> 02:01:57.620 And then we actually have developed 02:01:57.620 --> 02:02:01.340 what we call a Racine where we have different levels. 02:02:01.340 --> 02:02:06.260 Responsibility is the R, accountability is the A, 02:02:06.260 --> 02:02:11.260 C is the consultant phase, I is the informed phase, 02:02:11.260 --> 02:02:13.660 or N is the not engaged phase. 02:02:13.660 --> 02:02:16.740 And we actually sit down in the very beginning of projects 02:02:16.740 --> 02:02:18.820 and have each internal department. 02:02:18.820 --> 02:02:20.580 And we're looking to expand that to others 02:02:20.580 --> 02:02:24.340 such as DCTA, DISD, Atmos, other folks 02:02:24.340 --> 02:02:27.260 that will be impacted by the projects that are going on 02:02:27.260 --> 02:02:29.700 so that they can decide at what level 02:02:29.700 --> 02:02:31.300 they want to be involved in projects. 02:02:31.300 --> 02:02:32.940 So I take that very much to heart 02:02:32.940 --> 02:02:34.500 and wanna make sure that they understand 02:02:34.500 --> 02:02:38.100 where we have construction going on in the city. 02:02:38.100 --> 02:02:40.740 As we know, there are many construction projects 02:02:40.740 --> 02:02:41.740 that are currently happening. 02:02:41.740 --> 02:02:43.860 So just wanted to address that. 02:02:43.860 --> 02:02:44.780 - Thank you so much. 02:02:44.780 --> 02:02:46.020 - Great, I'm so glad to hear 02:02:46.020 --> 02:02:49.260 that there will be that increased communication. 02:02:49.260 --> 02:02:51.020 - Getting better all the time. 02:02:51.020 --> 02:02:51.860 All right. - All right. 02:02:51.860 --> 02:02:53.380 - Thank you. - Thank you. 02:02:53.380 --> 02:02:56.020 - How do y'all feel about like a 10 minute break 02:02:56.020 --> 02:02:57.420 before we do the last item? 02:02:57.420 --> 02:02:59.220 We've been going for a couple hours. 02:02:59.220 --> 02:03:00.740 Yeah. (laughing) 02:03:00.740 --> 02:03:01.580 Yeah, okay. 02:03:01.580 --> 02:03:05.020 So we're gonna adjourn at 11.03. 02:03:05.020 --> 02:03:07.340 Yeah, we'll say we'll come back at 11.15. 02:03:07.340 --> 02:03:17.700 Committee, we're coming back off break. 02:03:17.700 --> 02:03:22.220 We have item D next, staff report 02:03:22.220 --> 02:03:25.420 which has a bajillion pieces to it. 02:03:25.420 --> 02:03:26.580 It's just staff report. 02:03:26.580 --> 02:03:29.100 - Thank you, sir. 02:03:29.100 --> 02:03:31.340 Happy to provide you with an update. 02:03:31.340 --> 02:03:34.260 So the first thing I wanted to talk about 02:03:34.260 --> 02:03:36.780 was the US 380 speed limit ordinance. 02:03:36.780 --> 02:03:39.220 I know y'all heard us discuss this 02:03:39.220 --> 02:03:41.260 in a few other conversations. 02:03:41.260 --> 02:03:44.060 It's something that will go before city council 02:03:44.060 --> 02:03:45.460 next Tuesday. 02:03:45.460 --> 02:03:48.060 And we have been coordinating and working with TxDOT 02:03:48.060 --> 02:03:50.340 along with our public works team 02:03:50.340 --> 02:03:54.940 and along with our traffic division of our police department 02:03:54.940 --> 02:03:58.300 to look at measures that could be taken along 380 02:03:58.300 --> 02:04:00.860 east of town in the area of which 02:04:00.860 --> 02:04:03.100 there's currently a construction project. 02:04:03.100 --> 02:04:05.860 I know I've mentioned this several times, 02:04:05.860 --> 02:04:08.620 but just want to remind you that, 02:04:08.620 --> 02:04:11.180 oh goodness, that's okay. 02:04:11.180 --> 02:04:13.740 As long as you're okay, we're good. 02:04:13.740 --> 02:04:17.180 I wanted to mention that from the area, 02:04:17.180 --> 02:04:22.180 basically I would say east of loop 288 to Rock Hill Road 02:04:22.180 --> 02:04:24.540 which is within the city limits, 02:04:24.540 --> 02:04:26.500 there is a bridge, as we're all aware of, 02:04:26.500 --> 02:04:29.460 that goes over Lake Louisville in that area. 02:04:29.460 --> 02:04:32.780 TxDOT has looked at measures to currently 02:04:32.780 --> 02:04:35.140 work on a temporary solution 02:04:35.140 --> 02:04:38.340 to actually install some type of barrier. 02:04:38.340 --> 02:04:41.300 And currently that bridge does not have the strength 02:04:41.300 --> 02:04:45.580 to support either a concrete barrier, a water barrier, 02:04:45.580 --> 02:04:50.580 or even a tinsel, more of a wire type situation. 02:04:51.420 --> 02:04:56.420 And so at this time, they're working on improving that bridge 02:04:56.420 --> 02:04:58.940 to provide the additional support 02:04:58.940 --> 02:05:01.220 so that they can work through that project. 02:05:01.220 --> 02:05:02.700 And I know as you're all aware, 02:05:02.700 --> 02:05:05.180 that's building sidewalks and turn lanes 02:05:05.180 --> 02:05:06.300 and some additional measures. 02:05:06.300 --> 02:05:09.380 The city really doesn't have a lot to do with that project 02:05:09.380 --> 02:05:12.580 except for the standpoint of possible manhole or valves 02:05:12.580 --> 02:05:14.580 that need to be moved or coordination 02:05:14.580 --> 02:05:15.740 with our signal department, 02:05:15.740 --> 02:05:17.700 which James is very familiar with. 02:05:18.580 --> 02:05:21.460 But what we have worked to do through a speed study 02:05:21.460 --> 02:05:26.020 that was collected is to, just during construction, 02:05:26.020 --> 02:05:29.660 lower the speed limit on the section of roadway 02:05:29.660 --> 02:05:31.980 from Rock Hill to North Roodale. 02:05:31.980 --> 02:05:33.820 And so we will be lowering the speed limit. 02:05:33.820 --> 02:05:36.980 It's currently westbound 60 miles per hour 02:05:36.980 --> 02:05:39.740 and then eastbound 55 miles per hour. 02:05:39.740 --> 02:05:42.380 So we're gonna be recommending lowering the speed limit 02:05:42.380 --> 02:05:45.180 to 45 miles per hour during construction 02:05:45.180 --> 02:05:48.300 to slow folks down in that area. 02:05:48.300 --> 02:05:51.140 A lot of that is due to the impact 02:05:51.140 --> 02:05:52.540 and we did the evaluation 02:05:52.540 --> 02:05:55.740 after there were multiple fatalities in this area. 02:05:55.740 --> 02:05:57.860 And so just wanted to bring that forward 02:05:57.860 --> 02:05:59.380 to give you an update on the fact 02:05:59.380 --> 02:06:02.620 that the ordinance will come to city council 02:06:02.620 --> 02:06:03.740 on next Tuesday night. 02:06:03.740 --> 02:06:09.140 The next, oh, yes ma'am. 02:06:09.140 --> 02:06:09.980 - Any questions? 02:06:09.980 --> 02:06:10.820 Yeah, Council Member McQuarrie. 02:06:10.820 --> 02:06:13.500 - Yeah, so thank you so much for this. 02:06:13.500 --> 02:06:16.620 I think it's a great idea. 02:06:16.620 --> 02:06:19.740 I would even support maybe making it permanent 02:06:19.740 --> 02:06:21.220 and not just during construction, 02:06:21.220 --> 02:06:23.660 but that might be a conversation for another time. 02:06:23.660 --> 02:06:26.420 Can you tell me a little bit 02:06:26.420 --> 02:06:31.420 about what the legal constraints or requirements are 02:06:31.420 --> 02:06:36.980 for the city to set speed limits? 02:06:36.980 --> 02:06:38.900 And are those different depending on 02:06:38.900 --> 02:06:41.100 if it's a textile road versus a city road? 02:06:41.100 --> 02:06:45.940 - Tray, do you wanna speak to the legal requirements? 02:06:45.940 --> 02:06:48.260 I can speak to the engineering requirements, 02:06:48.260 --> 02:06:50.420 but not necessarily the legal. 02:06:50.420 --> 02:06:53.460 The city passes by ordinance the speed limits 02:06:53.460 --> 02:06:55.780 that are currently included in the backup information. 02:06:55.780 --> 02:06:58.900 It shows the speed limits of the different roadways. 02:06:58.900 --> 02:07:00.740 Tech Stop made this request to the city 02:07:00.740 --> 02:07:02.980 as we're the ones who maintain the speed limit 02:07:02.980 --> 02:07:06.580 through that area and enforce the speed limit. 02:07:06.580 --> 02:07:09.300 What we would do just like we would do in this location 02:07:09.300 --> 02:07:10.980 is actually provide a study 02:07:10.980 --> 02:07:13.660 that would show what the speed limit is 02:07:13.660 --> 02:07:15.180 that's traveled in this area. 02:07:15.180 --> 02:07:18.220 We've received word from the police department 02:07:18.220 --> 02:07:20.460 that they've had speeds over 100 miles per hour 02:07:20.460 --> 02:07:22.620 actually clocked in this area. 02:07:22.620 --> 02:07:24.620 And so what I would mention to you is, 02:07:24.620 --> 02:07:27.340 and you might remember from our mobility presentation, 02:07:27.340 --> 02:07:30.260 we're doing a citywide speed limit study. 02:07:30.260 --> 02:07:32.260 And through that citywide speed study, 02:07:32.260 --> 02:07:34.860 we're evaluating many different roadways, 02:07:34.860 --> 02:07:36.900 but those speed limits are set through ordinance. 02:07:36.900 --> 02:07:38.580 So once that speed study is completed, 02:07:38.580 --> 02:07:41.380 and that is gonna take a few months to get completed, 02:07:41.380 --> 02:07:43.540 then we'll be able to look at and reevaluate 02:07:43.540 --> 02:07:45.740 if there's anything that needs to happen to the ordinance 02:07:45.740 --> 02:07:47.420 or anything that needs to be updated. 02:07:47.420 --> 02:07:48.540 And of course, that'll be something 02:07:48.540 --> 02:07:50.500 that's brought back forward through this board 02:07:50.500 --> 02:07:54.180 or this committee, and then also through council. 02:07:54.180 --> 02:07:56.700 But the speed limits are set by ordinance. 02:07:56.700 --> 02:07:59.060 And if you look in the backup of your ordinance, 02:07:59.060 --> 02:08:01.460 you'll see a chart and it shows every single roadway 02:08:01.460 --> 02:08:03.780 with all of the different speed limits. 02:08:03.780 --> 02:08:06.180 - So, well, I guess my question is, 02:08:06.180 --> 02:08:11.180 I recognize that setting speed limits is a delicate balance 02:08:11.660 --> 02:08:15.980 and the engineers need to take into account 02:08:15.980 --> 02:08:18.180 the design of the road and how fast people 02:08:18.180 --> 02:08:21.340 actually drive on the road, and setting it too low 02:08:21.340 --> 02:08:25.820 might not be very effective at preventing speeding. 02:08:25.820 --> 02:08:28.420 But I guess just from a legal perspective, 02:08:28.420 --> 02:08:31.540 does council have the authority to just say, 02:08:31.540 --> 02:08:35.940 I want the speed limit on 380 to be 30 miles an hour? 02:08:35.940 --> 02:08:37.620 Do we have the legal right to say that? 02:08:37.620 --> 02:08:39.900 I'm not saying that would be a good idea. 02:08:39.900 --> 02:08:43.100 - So our team, and I will refer to Trey 02:08:43.100 --> 02:08:45.180 for the legal authority, but our team 02:08:45.180 --> 02:08:48.620 would use traffic study data information. 02:08:48.620 --> 02:08:52.620 We would use traffic engineering principle and practice 02:08:52.620 --> 02:08:54.980 along with the Texas Municipal. 02:08:54.980 --> 02:09:01.580 It was the T-M-U-T-C-D, and then also any other 02:09:01.580 --> 02:09:05.100 AASHTO guidelines as far as roadways go. 02:09:05.100 --> 02:09:08.340 And we typically look at the 85th percentile of speed, 02:09:08.340 --> 02:09:11.060 which is the reason why we collect the speed study. 02:09:11.060 --> 02:09:13.540 But that's really what the goal of this overall 02:09:13.540 --> 02:09:16.500 city-wide speed study is to do is perform 02:09:16.500 --> 02:09:19.740 is actually see what the speed limit is, 02:09:19.740 --> 02:09:21.580 that people are actually traveling 02:09:21.580 --> 02:09:24.100 in many of these roadway areas. 02:09:24.100 --> 02:09:26.140 But many of those decisions are made 02:09:26.140 --> 02:09:28.300 based on the data that's provided 02:09:28.300 --> 02:09:33.180 and then the traditional cross-section of the roadway 02:09:33.180 --> 02:09:35.700 and whether or not it's an arterial versus a collector 02:09:35.700 --> 02:09:37.820 versus a residential street. 02:09:37.820 --> 02:09:40.260 And those are types of things that would be evaluated. 02:09:40.260 --> 02:09:43.420 But as far as a legal responsibility, 02:09:43.420 --> 02:09:44.900 I'll have to refer to Trey 02:09:44.900 --> 02:09:47.060 as to what our legal responsibility is. 02:09:47.060 --> 02:09:51.220 - So regarding councils, I mean, it is council 02:09:51.220 --> 02:09:54.820 that will set the speed limits within the city limits. 02:09:54.820 --> 02:09:58.260 However, Texas statutes, both the Texas Transportation Code 02:09:58.260 --> 02:10:01.940 and the Texas Administrative Code put certain requirements 02:10:01.940 --> 02:10:04.100 on what that speed limit could be. 02:10:04.100 --> 02:10:06.940 Specifically, the Texas Transportation Code 02:10:06.940 --> 02:10:11.420 gives a city the authority to set speed limits 02:10:11.420 --> 02:10:14.340 to the same extent that the Texas Transportation Commission 02:10:14.340 --> 02:10:16.940 has authority to set speed limits. 02:10:16.940 --> 02:10:20.860 And with that, the Texas Administrative Code states 02:10:20.860 --> 02:10:25.860 in rule 25.21 that the city must base any speed zone 02:10:25.860 --> 02:10:28.940 on a engineering or traffic investigation 02:10:28.940 --> 02:10:30.700 regardless of the type of speed. 02:10:30.700 --> 02:10:32.860 So while it is council that says 02:10:32.860 --> 02:10:34.940 this is what the speed will be on this road, 02:10:34.940 --> 02:10:36.180 there has to be a basis for it. 02:10:36.180 --> 02:10:37.020 - Okay, all right. 02:10:37.020 --> 02:10:37.940 Yeah, that was my question. 02:10:37.940 --> 02:10:42.180 It can't just be I wanted this and therefore let's pass it. 02:10:42.180 --> 02:10:43.100 It must be bid. 02:10:43.100 --> 02:10:45.740 There is a legal requirement that we follow 02:10:45.740 --> 02:10:46.860 engineering recommendations. 02:10:46.860 --> 02:10:47.700 Okay, thank you. 02:10:47.700 --> 02:10:51.740 - Alrighty, so I'll move on. 02:10:51.740 --> 02:10:53.980 So Curly Street was the next item 02:10:53.980 --> 02:10:55.820 that's on our staff report. 02:10:55.820 --> 02:10:58.420 I know Council Member Byrd requested a traffic study 02:10:58.420 --> 02:11:00.020 for Curly Street. 02:11:00.020 --> 02:11:02.900 Just to report that that study was conducted 02:11:02.900 --> 02:11:05.660 August 17th through August 20th. 02:11:05.660 --> 02:11:08.500 The speeding was observed along Curly Street 02:11:08.500 --> 02:11:13.500 with 16.9% of the drivers going over the posted speed limit. 02:11:13.500 --> 02:11:15.820 So traffic operations added flags 02:11:15.820 --> 02:11:17.900 to the existing speed limit signs 02:11:17.900 --> 02:11:20.020 that happened on August 26th. 02:11:20.020 --> 02:11:21.540 And when I say traffic operations, 02:11:21.540 --> 02:11:23.620 just so you know, the gentleman that you see 02:11:23.620 --> 02:11:26.060 in the black shirt, that's James Andrews. 02:11:26.060 --> 02:11:28.180 He runs the Traffic Operations Department. 02:11:28.180 --> 02:11:31.780 And so just so you're aware of who the individual is 02:11:31.780 --> 02:11:34.740 who's doing all those work that work behind the scenes. 02:11:34.740 --> 02:11:36.580 The Police Department has been notified 02:11:36.580 --> 02:11:38.580 and they deployed the driver feedback sign 02:11:38.580 --> 02:11:40.740 the week of August 30th. 02:11:40.740 --> 02:11:42.980 The driver feedback signs typically stay 02:11:42.980 --> 02:11:45.020 in a given location for two to four weeks 02:11:45.020 --> 02:11:49.380 before being moved to another location across the city. 02:11:49.380 --> 02:11:56.420 - What is the expected percent to exceed the speed limit? 02:11:56.420 --> 02:11:59.740 I'm sure it's zero, but I could be wrong. 02:11:59.740 --> 02:12:02.220 - No, sir. 02:12:03.380 --> 02:12:07.860 Actually what we look at is the 85th percentile of speed. 02:12:07.860 --> 02:12:09.980 So when we look at the overall traffic study 02:12:09.980 --> 02:12:11.860 and that's when we collect that information. 02:12:11.860 --> 02:12:14.580 Now the driver feedback sign is not going to collect 02:12:14.580 --> 02:12:16.300 that type of information. 02:12:16.300 --> 02:12:17.140 That'd actually be something 02:12:17.140 --> 02:12:18.460 that's done through a traffic study. 02:12:18.460 --> 02:12:22.020 But we look and evaluate how many individuals 02:12:22.020 --> 02:12:24.060 are going over the speed limit. 02:12:24.060 --> 02:12:25.580 So what that percentage is. 02:12:25.580 --> 02:12:27.420 And then that gives us recommendations 02:12:27.420 --> 02:12:29.620 as to whether or not we need to evaluate 02:12:29.620 --> 02:12:32.060 what the speed limit is of that roadway. 02:12:32.060 --> 02:12:35.900 - So is the normal expectation 15 percent exceed? 02:12:35.900 --> 02:12:38.780 - That is correct. 02:12:38.780 --> 02:12:41.620 - And so this was just a hair over that 16.9? 02:12:41.620 --> 02:12:42.460 - That's correct. 02:12:42.460 --> 02:12:46.220 And that's the reason why the first measure 02:12:46.220 --> 02:12:48.660 that we do is deploy the driver feedback sign 02:12:48.660 --> 02:12:51.420 to see that folks and make them aware 02:12:51.420 --> 02:12:55.580 and notify that they're driving too fast. 02:12:55.580 --> 02:12:58.580 And so if we continue to receive complaints 02:12:58.580 --> 02:13:00.460 that we will look at other measures, 02:13:01.660 --> 02:13:03.860 there's really kind of a step of actions 02:13:03.860 --> 02:13:07.820 that we play through on those particular situations. 02:13:07.820 --> 02:13:09.740 - It's a stunning indictment of the state of morals 02:13:09.740 --> 02:13:10.580 in our society. 02:13:10.580 --> 02:13:13.820 - I didn't hear you, I'm sorry. 02:13:13.820 --> 02:13:14.660 - That's all right. 02:13:14.660 --> 02:13:15.500 Keep going. 02:13:15.500 --> 02:13:17.620 Alison got it. 02:13:17.620 --> 02:13:21.700 - Can I interject here for just a moment? 02:13:21.700 --> 02:13:26.700 So 16.9 percent, and because it's over 15 percent, 02:13:26.700 --> 02:13:31.380 then that enacted the feedback signs. 02:13:31.380 --> 02:13:34.060 Are we taking any kind of data 02:13:34.060 --> 02:13:35.780 while the feedback signs are out 02:13:35.780 --> 02:13:38.900 for those two to four weeks? 02:13:38.900 --> 02:13:40.740 - We can-- 02:13:40.740 --> 02:13:42.620 - To see whether or not it's actually working. 02:13:42.620 --> 02:13:46.540 - We can take additional data and do additional studies. 02:13:46.540 --> 02:13:48.140 This is really kind of the next steps 02:13:48.140 --> 02:13:52.100 is we've taken the opportunity to deploy 02:13:52.100 --> 02:13:56.620 the actual driver feedback signs within this location. 02:13:56.620 --> 02:14:00.380 And so really what the goal is with that 02:14:00.380 --> 02:14:02.580 is to try to alert drivers. 02:14:02.580 --> 02:14:04.820 If the problem continues to exist, 02:14:04.820 --> 02:14:08.020 then we would look at possibly doing another traffic study 02:14:08.020 --> 02:14:10.780 or just going to the next measure 02:14:10.780 --> 02:14:12.860 with some type of traffic calming, 02:14:12.860 --> 02:14:14.780 if necessary, in that area. 02:14:14.780 --> 02:14:18.660 And it's right on the cusp of being right over that 15 percent. 02:14:18.660 --> 02:14:23.540 - Okay, because I'm just thinking 02:14:23.540 --> 02:14:26.140 about just Curly Street at this point. 02:14:27.300 --> 02:14:32.300 That street is kind of deemed as a through street. 02:14:32.300 --> 02:14:34.700 - Okay. 02:14:34.700 --> 02:14:36.980 - There's not very many homes on that street 02:14:36.980 --> 02:14:38.300 where people are just, 02:14:38.300 --> 02:14:39.860 and there's a little neighborhood in there, 02:14:39.860 --> 02:14:44.860 but it's very close to Colorado or Woodrow or Shady Oaks. 02:14:44.860 --> 02:14:50.580 As it's coming out, it's kind of close to Shady Oaks. 02:14:50.580 --> 02:14:51.980 Is that Shady Oaks or Shady Shores? 02:14:51.980 --> 02:14:53.220 I always get those confused. 02:14:53.220 --> 02:14:55.220 I'm sorry, you don't have to answer that. 02:14:56.820 --> 02:14:58.340 But the question is, 02:14:58.340 --> 02:15:01.860 if you're looking at it like a through street, 02:15:01.860 --> 02:15:02.940 you know, that's the issue, 02:15:02.940 --> 02:15:07.580 that Moore Street and Curly Street are through streets. 02:15:07.580 --> 02:15:12.580 So I don't think that it's necessarily conditioning people 02:15:12.580 --> 02:15:15.460 to slow down through there 02:15:15.460 --> 02:15:18.140 if you're getting a variety of people all the time. 02:15:18.140 --> 02:15:20.900 It's not like it's the neighborhood people. 02:15:20.900 --> 02:15:22.820 The neighborhood people are the people 02:15:22.820 --> 02:15:27.500 that are complaining about the fast traffic 02:15:27.500 --> 02:15:28.940 coming through there. 02:15:28.940 --> 02:15:32.220 So how do we address that 02:15:32.220 --> 02:15:36.620 if we're just putting out the signs for two to four weeks, 02:15:36.620 --> 02:15:38.300 we take them up, 02:15:38.300 --> 02:15:41.060 but we're still getting just random people 02:15:41.060 --> 02:15:43.220 coming through there, you know, like that? 02:15:43.220 --> 02:15:45.780 - Sure, so if we continue to receive complaints 02:15:45.780 --> 02:15:47.500 or have concerns in that area, 02:15:47.500 --> 02:15:49.820 and the PD will also be doing monitoring 02:15:49.820 --> 02:15:52.380 where they put up driver feedback signs many times, 02:15:52.380 --> 02:15:55.340 they increase their enforcement in those areas also. 02:15:55.340 --> 02:15:56.780 So after the two to four weeks, 02:15:56.780 --> 02:15:58.500 we'll reevaluate the situation, 02:15:58.500 --> 02:16:00.900 see if anything needs to be, 02:16:00.900 --> 02:16:02.460 any additional improvement measures 02:16:02.460 --> 02:16:05.100 or traffic calming devices need to be installed 02:16:05.100 --> 02:16:06.340 in that area. 02:16:06.340 --> 02:16:08.380 And that's what our team will evaluate. 02:16:08.380 --> 02:16:10.900 We'll also work with traffic operations to see, 02:16:10.900 --> 02:16:12.500 you know, from what their point of view, 02:16:12.500 --> 02:16:14.460 if they have any additional feedback, 02:16:14.460 --> 02:16:16.340 and we work together with the operations 02:16:16.340 --> 02:16:17.780 and the engineering team to see 02:16:17.780 --> 02:16:20.820 if there's any additional improvement measures we can make. 02:16:20.820 --> 02:16:24.340 So this is really, it's kind of a stepped tiered situation, 02:16:24.340 --> 02:16:26.180 so we've gone through kind of those steps 02:16:26.180 --> 02:16:30.580 of putting up the additional flags 02:16:30.580 --> 02:16:34.700 on the additional, on the existing speed limit signs, 02:16:34.700 --> 02:16:36.900 deploying the driver feedback signs, 02:16:36.900 --> 02:16:39.700 take some time to get that deployed, 02:16:39.700 --> 02:16:41.180 let it sit in a current location. 02:16:41.180 --> 02:16:45.020 If we continue to hear negative feedback or input 02:16:45.020 --> 02:16:47.980 that says, hey, individuals are still speeding in this area, 02:16:47.980 --> 02:16:50.340 then we'll work for additional traffic calming measures. 02:16:50.340 --> 02:16:52.500 - So when you're continuing to hear, 02:16:52.500 --> 02:16:55.660 are we talking about maybe about another month or two? 02:16:55.660 --> 02:16:57.500 You know, to get some feedback 02:16:57.500 --> 02:16:59.260 from the residents in the area? 02:16:59.260 --> 02:17:01.780 You say, if we continue to hear, 02:17:01.780 --> 02:17:03.940 is that gonna be, you know, just like a couple of weeks, 02:17:03.940 --> 02:17:06.460 or three weeks, or five weeks, or what? 02:17:06.460 --> 02:17:09.220 - Well, we absolutely work with our friends 02:17:09.220 --> 02:17:10.380 at the police department, 02:17:10.380 --> 02:17:11.620 and we meet with them monthly, 02:17:11.620 --> 02:17:13.780 depending on if they have feedback on, 02:17:13.780 --> 02:17:16.980 hey, we deployed a driver feedback sign in this area. 02:17:16.980 --> 02:17:18.460 Through that timeframe, you know, 02:17:18.460 --> 02:17:21.860 we had this many tickets that were given, 02:17:21.860 --> 02:17:25.820 or this many enforcement issues that happened. 02:17:25.820 --> 02:17:27.540 So we receive that data, 02:17:27.540 --> 02:17:31.020 and then we also, if we receive continuous input, 02:17:31.020 --> 02:17:34.380 or, you know, results from the residents, 02:17:34.380 --> 02:17:37.420 or even council, et cetera, 02:17:37.420 --> 02:17:40.140 you know, wherever the information comes from, 02:17:40.140 --> 02:17:42.060 engaged it in requests many times. 02:17:42.060 --> 02:17:44.060 If we continue to hear that, 02:17:44.060 --> 02:17:45.900 then we look for what those next measures are. 02:17:45.900 --> 02:17:47.940 So it does take a couple of months, 02:17:47.940 --> 02:17:51.100 and so I would anticipate, you know, 02:17:51.100 --> 02:17:54.780 towards basically this information, 02:17:54.780 --> 02:17:56.660 and I have not checked myself, 02:17:56.660 --> 02:17:57.700 but I absolutely can to see 02:17:57.700 --> 02:18:00.740 if those driver feedback signs have been picked up. 02:18:00.740 --> 02:18:03.100 So if they have, then we will talk with PDE 02:18:03.100 --> 02:18:04.460 to find out if there's additional things 02:18:04.460 --> 02:18:06.140 that they've received information on. 02:18:06.140 --> 02:18:08.380 You yourself, if you've received additional feedback, 02:18:08.380 --> 02:18:10.900 and then we'll start looking at what are those next steps. 02:18:10.900 --> 02:18:12.100 - Okay. 02:18:12.100 --> 02:18:13.300 I'm sure they'll call me. 02:18:13.300 --> 02:18:16.980 - And I haven't driven curly, 02:18:16.980 --> 02:18:18.420 but I absolutely can to see 02:18:18.420 --> 02:18:20.260 if that driver feedback sign's still out there, 02:18:20.260 --> 02:18:22.020 so I don't know the answer to that. 02:18:22.020 --> 02:18:24.940 Haven't driven it. 02:18:24.940 --> 02:18:26.540 - I'll go over there today and let you know. 02:18:26.540 --> 02:18:27.380 - Okay, perfect. 02:18:27.380 --> 02:18:28.380 That would be fantastic. 02:18:28.380 --> 02:18:32.020 Alrighty, so the next item 02:18:32.020 --> 02:18:34.220 is the Morris Street traffic calming solution. 02:18:34.220 --> 02:18:37.700 So similar to the situation we just discussed on curly, 02:18:37.700 --> 02:18:40.900 I know that Morris has been a street 02:18:40.900 --> 02:18:43.740 where there's been concerns about speeding. 02:18:43.740 --> 02:18:46.460 So staff is currently evaluating Morris Street 02:18:46.460 --> 02:18:48.860 to determine potential traffic calming measures 02:18:48.860 --> 02:18:50.340 and what should be put in place. 02:18:50.340 --> 02:18:54.420 So as you know, and you've seen actually the data 02:18:54.420 --> 02:18:56.140 that we've given you with a flyer 02:18:56.140 --> 02:18:58.260 that shows, Council Member Byrd, 02:18:58.260 --> 02:18:59.700 the different traffic calming measures. 02:18:59.700 --> 02:19:03.300 So we're looking to see what might be best in this area. 02:19:03.300 --> 02:19:04.620 There's many things we can look at, 02:19:04.620 --> 02:19:06.740 whether we do some type of roadway diet, 02:19:06.740 --> 02:19:08.540 add additional stop signs, 02:19:08.540 --> 02:19:12.940 and several other measures that can take place. 02:19:12.940 --> 02:19:17.540 So we're looking at the placement of the speed radar sign, 02:19:17.540 --> 02:19:18.900 and we've already taken care of that, 02:19:18.900 --> 02:19:20.820 where you were concerned that it was too close 02:19:20.820 --> 02:19:23.180 to the stop sign on Morris Street. 02:19:23.180 --> 02:19:26.380 So we did receive confirmation from the police department, 02:19:26.380 --> 02:19:28.180 and that was back in September, 02:19:28.180 --> 02:19:29.380 that they did move that sign. 02:19:29.380 --> 02:19:31.380 But we're currently working through that evaluation 02:19:31.380 --> 02:19:34.140 as to what is the best next steps. 02:19:34.140 --> 02:19:36.940 I will also mention that on both of these streets, 02:19:36.940 --> 02:19:38.420 we're also wanting to coordinate 02:19:38.420 --> 02:19:41.220 with the current bond program that's in that area 02:19:41.220 --> 02:19:42.900 to make sure nothing that we installed 02:19:42.900 --> 02:19:44.820 would be something that would then be removed 02:19:44.820 --> 02:19:46.500 as a part of the bond program. 02:19:46.500 --> 02:19:48.260 So there's a lot of collaboration going on 02:19:48.260 --> 02:19:49.820 between the existing condition 02:19:49.820 --> 02:19:52.100 and then the future bond program projects. 02:19:52.100 --> 02:19:58.020 - It just seems like it's coming pretty close. 02:19:58.020 --> 02:20:00.660 I know the bond program is getting ready to get started. 02:20:00.660 --> 02:20:02.100 - Yes, ma'am. - Starting that up, 02:20:02.100 --> 02:20:04.660 and so we'll have to explain to the residents there 02:20:04.660 --> 02:20:06.820 that you're not seeing anything 02:20:06.820 --> 02:20:08.740 because something big is coming. 02:20:08.740 --> 02:20:10.780 - Sure. - So maybe after, 02:20:10.780 --> 02:20:13.220 you know, after it's part of the bond, 02:20:13.220 --> 02:20:16.740 you know, when it's time to lay the street back down, 02:20:16.740 --> 02:20:20.140 those calming measures could be added at that time. 02:20:20.140 --> 02:20:22.500 - Sure, and that's part of what we want to evaluate 02:20:22.500 --> 02:20:24.780 is looking at, you know, what makes sense. 02:20:24.780 --> 02:20:27.140 Like I mentioned, we are not necessarily wanting 02:20:27.140 --> 02:20:29.940 to put something down that would then be removed 02:20:29.940 --> 02:20:33.140 as a part of the roadway being replaced. 02:20:33.140 --> 02:20:36.100 But we will work and do work with traffic operations 02:20:36.100 --> 02:20:37.940 to install signage. 02:20:38.820 --> 02:20:41.900 And so definitely that close coordination 02:20:41.900 --> 02:20:44.180 is very critical in this area, 02:20:44.180 --> 02:20:46.780 being that the construction is, you know, 02:20:46.780 --> 02:20:50.140 it's on the heels of working through that design process 02:20:50.140 --> 02:20:51.940 and then moving on to construction. 02:20:51.940 --> 02:20:56.180 Oak Street, so Mayor Perot and Malter, 02:20:56.180 --> 02:20:58.220 I know this is not going to make you happy, sir, 02:20:58.220 --> 02:21:01.420 but I know you ask about Oak Street continuously. 02:21:01.420 --> 02:21:05.420 - I was feeling happy because you had it on the list, so okay. 02:21:05.420 --> 02:21:09.740 So Oak Street is currently not anticipated 02:21:09.740 --> 02:21:12.620 to be part of any roadway reconstruction 02:21:12.620 --> 02:21:15.060 or roadway maintenance project. 02:21:15.060 --> 02:21:16.820 - Why is it considered acceptable? 02:21:16.820 --> 02:21:23.100 - Well, the roadway at the time of construction, 02:21:23.100 --> 02:21:24.500 I mean, I know I've mentioned this to you, 02:21:24.500 --> 02:21:26.700 did not follow the same standards 02:21:26.700 --> 02:21:29.780 that the city has now moved to. 02:21:29.780 --> 02:21:34.380 And so at this point, it's not a part of a project. 02:21:34.380 --> 02:21:35.660 It doesn't have funding, 02:21:35.660 --> 02:21:39.020 and it's not a part of that overall roadway construction, 02:21:39.020 --> 02:21:41.020 whether it's part of a bond program 02:21:41.020 --> 02:21:42.140 or a maintenance program, 02:21:42.140 --> 02:21:45.980 which Danny Kramer, our Deputy Director of Operations, 02:21:45.980 --> 02:21:47.860 is currently leading. 02:21:47.860 --> 02:21:50.780 So in the grand scheme and the scale 02:21:50.780 --> 02:21:53.060 of all the projects amongst the city, 02:21:53.060 --> 02:21:55.100 it's not currently one that's currently slated 02:21:55.100 --> 02:21:57.140 for either a maintenance 02:21:57.140 --> 02:21:59.020 or a construction project at this time. 02:22:01.420 --> 02:22:04.700 - I heard there's some conversation about potential 02:22:04.700 --> 02:22:07.940 for another bond at some point. 02:22:07.940 --> 02:22:09.180 - Sure. 02:22:09.180 --> 02:22:10.820 - When would you anticipate that to be, 02:22:10.820 --> 02:22:14.980 and do you think that Oak Street is just great as it is, 02:22:14.980 --> 02:22:17.620 or do you think that'd be a candidate for a future bond? 02:22:17.620 --> 02:22:20.060 - I'm not sure what would be included 02:22:20.060 --> 02:22:21.300 in a future bond package, 02:22:21.300 --> 02:22:24.300 but I know that it could be a roadway. 02:22:24.300 --> 02:22:27.140 It could be, you know, there are many different things 02:22:27.140 --> 02:22:30.500 that could be a part of a future bond package, 02:22:30.500 --> 02:22:32.620 but I think that at that time, 02:22:32.620 --> 02:22:36.020 we'll use the same type of criteria 02:22:36.020 --> 02:22:38.420 that was put forward in the other bond programs 02:22:38.420 --> 02:22:40.660 as looking at the overall OCI, 02:22:40.660 --> 02:22:43.660 and I know that's something that Danny evaluates 02:22:43.660 --> 02:22:45.260 when he looks at the overall OCIs, 02:22:45.260 --> 02:22:46.420 and then from there, 02:22:46.420 --> 02:22:49.980 which is the overall condition index of the roadway, 02:22:49.980 --> 02:22:51.780 from there, then those roadways are selected 02:22:51.780 --> 02:22:55.540 as a part of an overall bond program, so. 02:22:55.540 --> 02:22:58.060 - Can you remind me how the OCI on Oak Street 02:22:58.060 --> 02:23:02.700 compares to other, you know, 02:23:02.700 --> 02:23:07.340 candidate segments that are not part of any plans today? 02:23:07.340 --> 02:23:11.820 - I'm sorry, sir, I don't remember the OCI 02:23:11.820 --> 02:23:13.220 that was of this roadway. 02:23:13.220 --> 02:23:16.740 I know we reported that in the report last month. 02:23:16.740 --> 02:23:19.620 I do believe the OCI did drop, 02:23:19.620 --> 02:23:22.180 but I don't remember the actual OCI score 02:23:22.180 --> 02:23:24.700 in comparison to other roadways, 02:23:25.780 --> 02:23:29.540 or where it actually stands within the current bond program, 02:23:29.540 --> 02:23:31.260 but we can look into that information 02:23:31.260 --> 02:23:32.700 and report back to you. 02:23:32.700 --> 02:23:35.340 - And when might we be looking 02:23:35.340 --> 02:23:40.140 at bringing another bond package proposal to council? 02:23:40.140 --> 02:23:41.900 - I am not sure of that timing. 02:23:41.900 --> 02:23:46.060 - Yeah, it's disgraceful. 02:23:46.060 --> 02:23:47.820 I'll just leave it at that. 02:23:47.820 --> 02:23:49.820 I know you've got other items to cover. 02:23:51.420 --> 02:23:55.980 - I have a general question about OCI 02:23:55.980 --> 02:24:00.380 and, you know, how staff decides 02:24:00.380 --> 02:24:02.420 what streets end up in a bond package. 02:24:02.420 --> 02:24:07.420 Is OCI the only measure or are other issues 02:24:07.420 --> 02:24:14.420 like needing expansion or needing curbs and gutters? 02:24:14.420 --> 02:24:16.820 Are those types of things also included 02:24:16.820 --> 02:24:18.820 in the consideration of whether something 02:24:18.820 --> 02:24:22.460 makes it onto a bond package? 02:24:22.460 --> 02:24:24.180 - I currently have not been a part 02:24:24.180 --> 02:24:27.580 of any of the bond packages that have been put together, 02:24:27.580 --> 02:24:31.460 but I can explain that OCI is the trigger that is used 02:24:31.460 --> 02:24:34.860 in the last bond packages that have been put together 02:24:34.860 --> 02:24:36.660 based on the information I have. 02:24:36.660 --> 02:24:38.260 I'll let Danny expand. 02:24:38.260 --> 02:24:40.540 I will tell you from staff's perspective 02:24:40.540 --> 02:24:42.420 and the way that we started looking at projects 02:24:42.420 --> 02:24:44.500 from a more holistic approach 02:24:44.500 --> 02:24:47.900 as to whether or not utilities has projects in the area 02:24:47.900 --> 02:24:49.420 that need to be replaced, 02:24:49.420 --> 02:24:52.020 whether or not there's street lights or sidewalks. 02:24:52.020 --> 02:24:53.140 There's many other components 02:24:53.140 --> 02:24:54.900 that are currently being evaluated. 02:24:54.900 --> 02:24:58.900 In the current bond package that we have, 02:24:58.900 --> 02:25:02.380 drainage, sidewalks are not things that were evaluated, 02:25:02.380 --> 02:25:04.140 but I think if we were to move forward 02:25:04.140 --> 02:25:05.980 with a bond program in the future, 02:25:05.980 --> 02:25:08.540 we would be looking at it from a little bit different lens, 02:25:08.540 --> 02:25:11.420 which is more of a, as you see currently, 02:25:11.420 --> 02:25:12.900 the neighborhood approach, 02:25:12.900 --> 02:25:15.140 but then also more of a holistic approach 02:25:15.140 --> 02:25:17.340 of what are other things that need to happen 02:25:17.340 --> 02:25:20.180 minus just resurfacing the roadway 02:25:20.180 --> 02:25:21.740 or reconstructing the roadway, 02:25:21.740 --> 02:25:24.300 but I'll let Danny Kramer speak to specifically 02:25:24.300 --> 02:25:26.660 how the current bond program was put together. 02:25:26.660 --> 02:25:30.380 - Kind of some of the ways that we looked at it 02:25:30.380 --> 02:25:33.020 was just the, we started with the OCI, 02:25:33.020 --> 02:25:35.340 and what that does is help us narrow it down 02:25:35.340 --> 02:25:37.060 to a better group. 02:25:37.060 --> 02:25:38.900 As you mentioned, the expansion, 02:25:38.900 --> 02:25:43.900 a lot of those are done as individual CIP projects. 02:25:43.900 --> 02:25:45.900 Those are picked out for the maintenance side. 02:25:45.900 --> 02:25:48.780 Mostly it's based on OCI as a starting. 02:25:48.780 --> 02:25:50.500 Now we'll pull a list together 02:25:50.500 --> 02:25:52.740 and usually go out and do field visits 02:25:52.740 --> 02:25:54.580 on that whole list of where we're at, 02:25:54.580 --> 02:25:58.500 just doing spot checks, verifications, 02:25:58.500 --> 02:26:00.860 and seeing where everything is and going from there, 02:26:00.860 --> 02:26:03.020 and then we discuss with the bond committee 02:26:03.020 --> 02:26:07.900 on some of the issues there and what our recommendations are. 02:26:07.900 --> 02:26:12.900 As stated, OCI is a big front runner, 02:26:13.140 --> 02:26:15.900 and it is not the only one that we do, 02:26:15.900 --> 02:26:18.900 but we also look at different traffic patterns 02:26:18.900 --> 02:26:23.260 and stuff in the areas to try to figure out 02:26:23.260 --> 02:26:28.140 what is the best direction forward for the city 02:26:28.140 --> 02:26:29.940 and where we can help out with that. 02:26:29.940 --> 02:26:34.580 - Yeah, that's helpful, and I guess I should clarify 02:26:34.580 --> 02:26:36.840 what I'm thinking about as I ask that. 02:26:36.840 --> 02:26:40.680 I'm thinking about residents' concerns 02:26:40.680 --> 02:26:43.820 that were brought up last night about Highland Park Road. 02:26:43.820 --> 02:26:45.340 I'm not sure. 02:26:45.340 --> 02:26:47.460 I'd have to think about maybe the northern part 02:26:47.460 --> 02:26:52.460 of Highland Park Road might have an OCI that's concerning, 02:26:52.460 --> 02:26:54.900 but the southern part really doesn't. 02:26:54.900 --> 02:26:58.460 It's not the OCI that's the problem, I don't think, 02:26:58.460 --> 02:26:59.740 with Highland Park Road, 02:26:59.740 --> 02:27:04.340 so I wanna make sure that we're looking at other metrics 02:27:04.340 --> 02:27:08.780 that could trigger either CIP spending 02:27:08.780 --> 02:27:11.900 or a bond project or something. 02:27:11.900 --> 02:27:14.300 - One thing I do wanna say on the curbs and gutters 02:27:14.300 --> 02:27:16.260 is when we install curbs and gutters, 02:27:16.260 --> 02:27:18.580 it's not just putting the curb and gutter up. 02:27:18.580 --> 02:27:22.180 That's also the drainage infrastructure underneath. 02:27:22.180 --> 02:27:25.820 Highland Park, for example, does have roadway ditches, 02:27:25.820 --> 02:27:27.220 is how it's set up for drainage, 02:27:27.220 --> 02:27:30.460 and in order to properly install curbs and gutters, 02:27:30.460 --> 02:27:32.060 we would have to put a drainage system under 02:27:32.060 --> 02:27:33.220 to convey the same water, 02:27:33.220 --> 02:27:36.940 which drainage is probably one 02:27:36.940 --> 02:27:39.780 of the most expensive infrastructures to put in place, 02:27:39.780 --> 02:27:42.580 so that's another factor we have to look in on those. 02:27:42.580 --> 02:27:45.660 - Right, which is why I'm thinking about bond funding 02:27:45.660 --> 02:27:46.940 for that, because I recognize 02:27:46.940 --> 02:27:49.700 that's going to be a very expensive project. 02:27:49.700 --> 02:27:51.180 Thank you. - Yep. 02:27:51.180 --> 02:27:53.500 - Just a couple points to add to that. 02:27:53.500 --> 02:27:55.740 As the roadways are selected, 02:27:55.740 --> 02:27:59.260 keep in mind that's a very big project and purpose 02:27:59.260 --> 02:28:02.460 of the bond committee, and part of their charge 02:28:02.460 --> 02:28:04.420 is to look through and talk about 02:28:04.420 --> 02:28:07.220 what is the best way to move forward. 02:28:07.220 --> 02:28:10.300 I am not aware of when another roadway bond 02:28:10.300 --> 02:28:13.700 package might come forward. 02:28:13.700 --> 02:28:16.620 I know it could be within the next couple of years, 02:28:16.620 --> 02:28:19.460 but I'm currently hearing that we could be looking 02:28:19.460 --> 02:28:22.780 at more of parks and drainage-type projects, 02:28:22.780 --> 02:28:24.620 and the other thing I just wanted to mention 02:28:24.620 --> 02:28:26.580 so that I can kind of come full circle 02:28:26.580 --> 02:28:27.980 and be able to explain, 02:28:27.980 --> 02:28:31.340 that is the reason why it's so important 02:28:31.340 --> 02:28:33.260 that we look at the mobility plan 02:28:33.260 --> 02:28:35.820 and look at that multimodal approach. 02:28:35.820 --> 02:28:38.500 We will take the mobility plan when we're working 02:28:38.500 --> 02:28:41.020 and doing the capital planning, 02:28:41.020 --> 02:28:44.620 along with moving forward with a stormwater master plan, 02:28:44.620 --> 02:28:46.900 which in many areas, as Danny mentioned, 02:28:46.900 --> 02:28:49.380 the Highland Park roadway project is, you know, 02:28:49.380 --> 02:28:51.820 majority a drainage project. 02:28:51.820 --> 02:28:55.060 We will be looking at roadway infrastructure 02:28:55.060 --> 02:28:57.740 that we would recommend as a part of a CIP 02:28:57.740 --> 02:29:02.300 to be put in a bond program or a capital improvement program 02:29:02.300 --> 02:29:03.980 for the future. 02:29:03.980 --> 02:29:05.860 It could be projects like Highland Park, 02:29:05.860 --> 02:29:08.100 where it maybe doesn't meet the cross-section 02:29:08.100 --> 02:29:12.340 and it has a lot of travel in that area or other roadways, 02:29:12.340 --> 02:29:13.740 and I think that's what you'll see, 02:29:13.740 --> 02:29:16.660 and that's really the purpose of that mobility plan, 02:29:16.660 --> 02:29:20.300 is to help allow for projects that explain 02:29:20.300 --> 02:29:22.220 what is the purpose of that roadway, 02:29:22.220 --> 02:29:24.900 what is the cross-section, what is the classification, 02:29:24.900 --> 02:29:26.580 and are we meeting the mark, 02:29:26.580 --> 02:29:28.340 or are there improvements that need to be made? 02:29:28.340 --> 02:29:30.460 So it's really from that plan phase 02:29:30.460 --> 02:29:31.620 all the way through the design, 02:29:31.620 --> 02:29:34.340 and then ultimately getting us to construction. 02:29:34.340 --> 02:29:37.620 - Can you just sort of touch tangentially on Highland Park, 02:29:37.620 --> 02:29:41.060 and, you know, naturally we're gonna need to talk about it, 02:29:41.060 --> 02:29:44.340 but is that, I mean, I was gonna touch on it 02:29:44.340 --> 02:29:48.100 under future items for mobility committee. 02:29:48.100 --> 02:29:48.940 Is that basically it? 02:29:48.940 --> 02:29:52.940 It's gonna get addressed through the mobility plan? 02:29:52.940 --> 02:29:58.940 How are you, did you hear the discussion last night? 02:29:58.940 --> 02:30:00.300 I think you were there. 02:30:00.300 --> 02:30:01.860 - Yes, sir, I was present. 02:30:01.860 --> 02:30:07.540 As far as the Highland Park roadway, 02:30:07.540 --> 02:30:10.500 we are going to be evaluating the information 02:30:10.500 --> 02:30:13.340 that was presented to us last night. 02:30:13.340 --> 02:30:18.580 You may not, or may be aware of the fact that we also, 02:30:18.580 --> 02:30:20.140 well, I know Council Member McGuire is, 02:30:20.140 --> 02:30:22.180 because she was there with us, 02:30:22.180 --> 02:30:25.540 but we actually have been receiving this information 02:30:25.540 --> 02:30:27.940 probably for the last six weeks. 02:30:27.940 --> 02:30:30.580 We did attend the Denia Neighborhood meeting 02:30:30.580 --> 02:30:34.420 last month on September 27th, 02:30:34.420 --> 02:30:37.380 and we've been requested to attend the meeting 02:30:37.380 --> 02:30:40.700 that actually is this Monday night, the 25th. 02:30:40.700 --> 02:30:44.820 Our team has worked with the Denia Neighborhood Association 02:30:44.820 --> 02:30:48.180 to put together a presentation of multiple departments. 02:30:48.180 --> 02:30:50.460 Rachel and her team are gonna be delivering 02:30:50.460 --> 02:30:54.460 the capital projects in the area. 02:30:54.460 --> 02:30:55.940 Danny and his team are gonna be looking 02:30:55.940 --> 02:30:57.220 at maintenance and operation. 02:30:57.220 --> 02:30:59.620 There'll be an individual from the development team 02:30:59.620 --> 02:31:02.300 that'll be talking about development in the area, 02:31:02.300 --> 02:31:04.300 and then also from the Parks Department. 02:31:04.300 --> 02:31:07.100 And the goal with that is to produce the boundaries 02:31:07.100 --> 02:31:12.100 of really Bonnie Bray to 35 to 377 to Roselon 02:31:12.100 --> 02:31:16.540 is really what that true Denia Neighborhood is, 02:31:16.540 --> 02:31:18.820 to explain to the residents all of the projects 02:31:18.820 --> 02:31:20.500 that are going on in that area, 02:31:20.500 --> 02:31:23.260 and help them understand the multiple ways 02:31:23.260 --> 02:31:25.740 that communication is happening 02:31:25.740 --> 02:31:28.500 between the departments within the city, 02:31:28.500 --> 02:31:31.260 but then also the different projects that are happening 02:31:31.260 --> 02:31:33.740 that are gonna actually help in some of those areas 02:31:33.740 --> 02:31:35.820 of some of the concerns that they've raised. 02:31:35.820 --> 02:31:40.260 Many of the questions that they asked, for example, 02:31:40.260 --> 02:31:42.140 they may not be aware of the projects 02:31:42.140 --> 02:31:44.820 that are gonna be happening for the 2019 bond program, 02:31:44.820 --> 02:31:47.540 or what the future Bonnie Bray program or project is 02:31:47.540 --> 02:31:51.200 in that area, future 35, North Texas Boulevard. 02:31:51.200 --> 02:31:54.060 So we're gonna work through explaining that to them 02:31:54.060 --> 02:31:55.340 on Monday night. 02:31:55.340 --> 02:31:58.260 And I will tell you for the Highland Park Roadway Project, 02:31:58.260 --> 02:32:00.980 we're gonna put something in the Friday report on that, 02:32:00.980 --> 02:32:03.260 that addresses some of those concerns. 02:32:03.260 --> 02:32:06.060 But I will tell you in order to build sidewalks 02:32:06.060 --> 02:32:09.380 and do what is requested or what was suggested 02:32:09.380 --> 02:32:11.660 at the meeting last night is really looking at 02:32:11.660 --> 02:32:15.060 and asking about how can we get sidewalks? 02:32:15.060 --> 02:32:17.460 How can we build it to the collector standard? 02:32:17.460 --> 02:32:18.660 Danny hit on it. 02:32:18.660 --> 02:32:21.980 It would be a capital project that would have to happen 02:32:21.980 --> 02:32:24.460 in order to have an evaluation of the water 02:32:24.460 --> 02:32:26.260 and wastewater infrastructure in the area 02:32:26.260 --> 02:32:28.860 to see if improvements needed to be made to that, 02:32:28.860 --> 02:32:30.740 an overall drainage project, 02:32:30.740 --> 02:32:32.700 and it'd be a very large drainage project. 02:32:32.700 --> 02:32:33.540 And as Danny mentioned, 02:32:33.540 --> 02:32:35.700 that would probably be the majority of the funding. 02:32:35.700 --> 02:32:39.540 And then also that roadway project with the cross section. 02:32:39.540 --> 02:32:41.140 And I want you to keep in mind, 02:32:41.140 --> 02:32:44.220 we also would have to acquire in many cases right away 02:32:44.220 --> 02:32:47.480 along that corridor to build the cross section that's needed. 02:32:47.480 --> 02:32:49.420 So I wanna be able to explain to you 02:32:49.420 --> 02:32:50.860 the impact that that would be, 02:32:50.860 --> 02:32:53.440 what the funding would be that's necessary, 02:32:53.440 --> 02:32:55.660 and how many individuals that would actually impact. 02:32:55.660 --> 02:32:57.280 And that's gonna take our team a little time 02:32:57.280 --> 02:32:58.840 to put that together, 02:32:58.840 --> 02:33:00.380 but something that we will share 02:33:00.380 --> 02:33:02.580 as soon as we have that information together. 02:33:02.580 --> 02:33:06.080 But that is really what it's going to take 02:33:06.080 --> 02:33:07.780 to address many of the concerns 02:33:07.780 --> 02:33:09.600 from actually looking at 02:33:09.600 --> 02:33:13.180 what the typical collector section is in that area, 02:33:13.180 --> 02:33:15.140 what it should be built to. 02:33:15.140 --> 02:33:17.460 It's not just putting sidewalk out there 02:33:17.460 --> 02:33:21.820 just simply because it's more of a country lane section 02:33:21.820 --> 02:33:23.580 because of the drainage ditches 02:33:23.580 --> 02:33:25.980 that are on both sides of the roadway. 02:33:25.980 --> 02:33:28.260 No curb and gutter in many of those sections. 02:33:28.260 --> 02:33:31.380 And we are also, just so you know, 02:33:31.380 --> 02:33:33.780 I know last night they showed an exhibit 02:33:33.780 --> 02:33:34.880 of the mobility plan. 02:33:34.880 --> 02:33:36.780 That's the existing mobility plan. 02:33:36.780 --> 02:33:39.120 And of course, as we're working through the update, 02:33:39.120 --> 02:33:44.120 we're working on making updates and changes to mistakes 02:33:44.120 --> 02:33:46.900 or things that we feel like need to be updated 02:33:46.900 --> 02:33:49.860 based on the mobility actually 02:33:49.860 --> 02:33:52.060 of getting folks to and from 02:33:52.060 --> 02:33:54.740 and including for Nathan's benefit, 02:33:54.740 --> 02:33:58.100 the bicycle and the pedestrian aspects. 02:33:58.100 --> 02:34:02.020 So definitely a project that would be something 02:34:02.020 --> 02:34:04.260 that would have to be funded 02:34:04.260 --> 02:34:06.900 in order to do all the things that were requested. 02:34:06.900 --> 02:34:08.860 My goal with the meeting Monday night 02:34:08.860 --> 02:34:10.860 is to be able to explain to the residents 02:34:10.860 --> 02:34:13.420 all of the projects that are happening in the area 02:34:13.420 --> 02:34:16.740 that Highland Park and Parvin Road are actually connecting 02:34:16.740 --> 02:34:18.140 is being renamed. 02:34:18.140 --> 02:34:21.020 There are gonna be other ways to get around in that area 02:34:21.020 --> 02:34:23.780 and give them an overall picture 02:34:23.780 --> 02:34:26.340 of the capital projects, the development projects, 02:34:26.340 --> 02:34:28.020 the parks projects, and then of course, 02:34:28.020 --> 02:34:30.980 the maintenance projects that are going on in that area 02:34:30.980 --> 02:34:33.500 so they can understand how much work is truly happening 02:34:33.500 --> 02:34:35.700 within those confines that I explained. 02:34:35.700 --> 02:34:38.020 - Did you have a, thank you for that. 02:34:38.020 --> 02:34:43.020 Did you have a response or a reaction 02:34:43.020 --> 02:34:47.740 to the member of the public who said 02:34:47.740 --> 02:34:51.420 that it was kind of misidentified in the mobility plan 02:34:51.420 --> 02:34:52.380 based on its width? 02:34:52.380 --> 02:34:55.500 Did you catch that part? 02:34:55.500 --> 02:34:57.420 - I did receive a copy of the report. 02:34:57.420 --> 02:35:01.220 I have not had an opportunity to look at it in great depth, 02:35:01.220 --> 02:35:04.540 but we are gonna be evaluating the actual drawings 02:35:04.540 --> 02:35:08.580 that they put forward showing what the 2015 mobility plan 02:35:08.580 --> 02:35:13.580 has versus what our proposal is for the 2020 mobility plan 02:35:13.580 --> 02:35:16.380 and actually looking at that TIA. 02:35:16.380 --> 02:35:17.900 Many of those items are reviewed 02:35:17.900 --> 02:35:19.900 through our development process, 02:35:19.900 --> 02:35:21.700 but we wanna go back and check just to see 02:35:21.700 --> 02:35:23.740 if there's anything that we have concerns about, 02:35:23.740 --> 02:35:26.820 but I did listen intently, 02:35:26.820 --> 02:35:29.700 but haven't had an opportunity since one o'clock this morning 02:35:29.700 --> 02:35:32.420 to, at eight o'clock this morning to evaluate it. 02:35:32.420 --> 02:35:34.060 - Come on, how many hours have passed since then? 02:35:34.060 --> 02:35:34.900 (laughing) 02:35:34.900 --> 02:35:35.740 Chop chop. 02:35:35.740 --> 02:35:39.180 - So, but no sir, I am absolutely wanting to look into that 02:35:39.180 --> 02:35:42.420 and I know Chandra will assist with that, so. 02:35:42.420 --> 02:35:44.060 - Great, thank you. 02:35:44.060 --> 02:35:45.740 Anything, oh I'm sorry, Council Member McCoy. 02:35:45.740 --> 02:35:46.580 - Yeah. 02:35:46.580 --> 02:35:50.140 - I'm glad you bring up some of the other collector streets 02:35:50.140 --> 02:35:51.700 including Parvin in that area. 02:35:51.700 --> 02:35:54.740 Can I ask that you make sure you also address Rose Lawn 02:35:54.740 --> 02:35:57.660 and the plans for Rose Lawn going forward, 02:35:57.660 --> 02:35:59.980 just in that presentation on Monday? 02:35:59.980 --> 02:36:01.820 - Sure, we can look into Rose Lawn. 02:36:01.820 --> 02:36:05.060 Very familiar with that area. 02:36:05.060 --> 02:36:09.540 One time during my career, I did the water line 02:36:09.540 --> 02:36:13.260 and the elevated storage tank in that area, so no problem. 02:36:13.260 --> 02:36:15.700 We can look at what the mobility plan shows 02:36:15.700 --> 02:36:18.860 for Rose Lawn and what our current anticipation would be 02:36:18.860 --> 02:36:22.460 of any project in that area, so. 02:36:22.460 --> 02:36:24.620 Okay. 02:36:24.620 --> 02:36:34.060 So, Rachel has been able to look into 02:36:34.060 --> 02:36:36.820 some additional information that actually 02:36:36.820 --> 02:36:38.860 is talking about the overall condition index, 02:36:38.860 --> 02:36:41.340 so she's like my private investigator over here 02:36:41.340 --> 02:36:42.540 on the side looking into that. 02:36:42.540 --> 02:36:44.940 So I'm gonna allow her to go ahead 02:36:44.940 --> 02:36:46.660 and share some of the information. 02:36:46.660 --> 02:36:48.780 Just Council Member, I'm sorry, 02:36:48.780 --> 02:36:52.660 Mayor Pritchett Maltzer to go back to the Oak Street, so. 02:36:52.660 --> 02:36:58.220 Oh, okay, go ahead, Danny, sure. 02:36:58.220 --> 02:37:00.100 Whichever one of you, I'm perfectly fine 02:37:00.100 --> 02:37:02.580 with either one of you, thank you very much. 02:37:02.580 --> 02:37:06.820 - From the 2015 study, as Rachel found, 02:37:06.820 --> 02:37:09.580 and I do apologize, my laptop is back there charging, 02:37:11.340 --> 02:37:15.660 was sitting at a 70, 77, 02:37:15.660 --> 02:37:18.220 and the new study is showing at a 49. 02:37:18.220 --> 02:37:21.940 Internally on the maintenance side, 02:37:21.940 --> 02:37:24.780 we have been looking at some temporary fixes 02:37:24.780 --> 02:37:28.540 and trying to get it to smooth it out. 02:37:28.540 --> 02:37:31.540 Different ones we haven't come up with a good solution. 02:37:31.540 --> 02:37:34.300 - 49 is like good or something, isn't it? 02:37:34.300 --> 02:37:38.060 - It's, no, it's, I'd have to look, 02:37:38.060 --> 02:37:43.060 but usually on the last bond we did a 20 and below. 02:37:43.060 --> 02:37:47.180 It's at the low range. 02:37:47.180 --> 02:37:51.100 It's still, for the most part, structurally sound. 02:37:51.100 --> 02:37:53.460 It's, the ride quality is not gonna be the best, 02:37:53.460 --> 02:37:57.060 usually on it, but it's structurally there. 02:37:57.060 --> 02:38:01.340 And I know there's an issue with the soils that run up 02:38:01.340 --> 02:38:03.420 through that section of town right there. 02:38:03.420 --> 02:38:06.620 We found it on a soil map, and this was as, 02:38:08.660 --> 02:38:11.380 Becky stated earlier, it was, 02:38:11.380 --> 02:38:15.500 when that road was done at that time, 02:38:15.500 --> 02:38:17.740 the current standards were not followed 02:38:17.740 --> 02:38:19.300 on how we mix the soil and do that, 02:38:19.300 --> 02:38:20.860 and I think that's where the whole thing, 02:38:20.860 --> 02:38:23.100 where we had the whole issues on the testing of that. 02:38:23.100 --> 02:38:26.740 So we're looking at some temporary ways 02:38:26.740 --> 02:38:29.940 to mitigate the issue, and before we can get 02:38:29.940 --> 02:38:33.340 to a full reconstruct and a fix on that, 02:38:33.340 --> 02:38:35.140 but we do not have a good solution right now. 02:38:35.140 --> 02:38:36.300 - I'm interested to hear what you come up with, 02:38:36.300 --> 02:38:39.140 'cause structurally sound to me suggests 02:38:39.140 --> 02:38:42.940 it's not going to move further, 02:38:42.940 --> 02:38:46.220 but I can't imagine the original design 02:38:46.220 --> 02:38:48.100 had a line like that on it. 02:38:48.100 --> 02:38:52.540 - Right, and it's, the way the soils are set up, 02:38:52.540 --> 02:38:55.620 it didn't harden correctly because of the, 02:38:55.620 --> 02:38:58.180 what we're thinking is the sulfites in the soil 02:38:58.180 --> 02:38:59.660 reacts with the lime on that. 02:38:59.660 --> 02:39:02.140 That should have been used for proper testing, 02:39:02.140 --> 02:39:03.820 more of a cement stabilization instead 02:39:03.820 --> 02:39:06.300 of a lime stabilization, which should have fixed that issue. 02:39:06.300 --> 02:39:07.780 So we're looking at some different options 02:39:07.780 --> 02:39:11.220 to try to fix that without ripping up the whole road 02:39:11.220 --> 02:39:13.500 with everything else going on in the area. 02:39:13.500 --> 02:39:16.580 - Yeah, I mean, it's, I just, whatever, 02:39:16.580 --> 02:39:18.980 I don't wanna rant, you've heard me out before. 02:39:18.980 --> 02:39:19.820 Okay, thank you. 02:39:19.820 --> 02:39:22.300 - Alrighty, so I'm gonna move on 02:39:22.300 --> 02:39:24.700 to the Hinkle traffic circle. 02:39:24.700 --> 02:39:26.820 I know last month you asked for an update. 02:39:26.820 --> 02:39:29.100 So Danny and his team were actually working 02:39:29.100 --> 02:39:31.620 with real estate to obtain a construction easement 02:39:31.620 --> 02:39:35.900 and right-of-way access to install the sidewalk. 02:39:35.900 --> 02:39:38.260 Real estate has estimated that the letters, 02:39:38.260 --> 02:39:41.020 to have the letters sent to the homeowners 02:39:41.020 --> 02:39:44.700 the week of October 18th, so that was this week. 02:39:44.700 --> 02:39:46.060 And once the letters are sent out, 02:39:46.060 --> 02:39:48.300 it's expected to take 30 to 45 days 02:39:48.300 --> 02:39:50.260 to have those clothes paid and recorded, 02:39:50.260 --> 02:39:52.140 which does take a little bit of time. 02:39:52.140 --> 02:39:54.480 When they receive back all the responses, 02:39:54.480 --> 02:39:57.420 then public works will work through 02:39:57.420 --> 02:39:58.620 starting that construction. 02:39:58.620 --> 02:40:00.460 So right now they don't have access 02:40:00.460 --> 02:40:02.820 or the right to get onto the properties 02:40:02.820 --> 02:40:05.300 to remove the tree as necessary. 02:40:05.300 --> 02:40:07.140 - Yeah, pardon me, I just wanna make sure I'm tracking. 02:40:07.140 --> 02:40:09.940 The right-of-way we're talking about is to get at the tree? 02:40:09.940 --> 02:40:12.740 Is that, or is this a different part of that? 02:40:12.740 --> 02:40:15.860 - Yes, sir, and also build the sidewalk in the area. 02:40:15.860 --> 02:40:18.300 Danny, if you'd like to explain more, go right ahead. 02:40:18.300 --> 02:40:21.380 - Yeah, so the sidewalk has to fall right at the edge 02:40:21.380 --> 02:40:22.660 of the right-of-way line. 02:40:22.660 --> 02:40:24.740 We'll need a little bit of an easement 02:40:24.740 --> 02:40:26.660 for the construction of putting it in, 02:40:26.660 --> 02:40:28.580 and also to remove the tree to make sure 02:40:28.580 --> 02:40:31.420 that we can legally be on the property to get that down. 02:40:31.420 --> 02:40:35.220 Now, we have talked to the homeowner on the south side. 02:40:35.220 --> 02:40:38.700 We've already talked to her. 02:40:38.700 --> 02:40:41.420 We've got everything set up with removing of the tree. 02:40:41.420 --> 02:40:43.220 She's fine with that and the replacements 02:40:43.220 --> 02:40:44.220 to what they're doing. 02:40:44.220 --> 02:40:46.740 We've got the quotes and everything set up 02:40:46.740 --> 02:40:49.700 for all the sidewalk based off the plans, 02:40:49.700 --> 02:40:51.940 and as soon as we get the real estate go ahead, 02:40:51.940 --> 02:40:53.940 it should just be weather dependent. 02:40:53.940 --> 02:40:56.340 We should be able to just go right in and get it taken care of. 02:40:56.340 --> 02:40:59.060 - Great, okay, so now I'm tracking, thank you very much, 02:40:59.060 --> 02:41:01.420 and so what you're talking about is the timeline 02:41:01.420 --> 02:41:03.060 to acquire the right-of-way. 02:41:03.060 --> 02:41:04.580 - That's correct. - That's like 30 days plus. 02:41:04.580 --> 02:41:07.380 - 30 to 45 days is the current process 02:41:07.380 --> 02:41:09.940 that Danny has been given from our real estate department, 02:41:09.940 --> 02:41:12.260 and that's really just, at this point, 02:41:12.260 --> 02:41:15.380 what he's waiting for is that access to the property 02:41:15.380 --> 02:41:17.900 so that he can, like he mentioned, 02:41:17.900 --> 02:41:20.540 remove the tree and install the sidewalk 02:41:20.540 --> 02:41:22.620 without getting on private property in that area. 02:41:22.620 --> 02:41:24.540 So once he has that, then he's committed 02:41:24.540 --> 02:41:27.500 to getting that taken care of as we all are very excited 02:41:27.500 --> 02:41:29.140 to have that taken care of, so. 02:41:29.140 --> 02:41:32.900 - Thanks. - Thank you, Danny. 02:41:32.900 --> 02:41:35.500 So the next item that came up was a question 02:41:35.500 --> 02:41:39.380 on Campbell Street and talking about the type of curbs 02:41:39.380 --> 02:41:41.780 that were actually in that area. 02:41:41.780 --> 02:41:45.580 Those type of curbs are called rolled or drive curbs. 02:41:45.580 --> 02:41:47.460 The rolled curbs have sloping faces 02:41:47.460 --> 02:41:48.900 that allow vehicles to encroach 02:41:48.900 --> 02:41:51.100 without damaging tires and wheels, 02:41:51.100 --> 02:41:55.980 and really those cars can cross them to access their driveway. 02:41:55.980 --> 02:41:57.580 So it's just a different type of curb 02:41:57.580 --> 02:42:00.420 that was actually constructed in that area. 02:42:00.420 --> 02:42:02.740 I don't have a reason why that was constructed, 02:42:02.740 --> 02:42:04.220 just wanted to explain the difference 02:42:04.220 --> 02:42:05.900 and what that type of curb was. 02:42:05.900 --> 02:42:10.860 - Yes, ma'am. - Councilmember Byrd. 02:42:10.860 --> 02:42:14.540 - Thank you, Mr. Chair, thank you. 02:42:17.740 --> 02:42:22.060 I know for sure that I mentioned the wrong street, okay? 02:42:22.060 --> 02:42:24.100 So I would like for you all to, 02:42:24.100 --> 02:42:29.100 my initial concern was for Janney Street, J-A-N-N-I-E. 02:42:29.100 --> 02:42:36.220 And I believe that's a street 02:42:36.220 --> 02:42:41.220 that's just on the west side of Campbell Street. 02:42:41.220 --> 02:42:43.020 And that street has no curbs, 02:42:43.020 --> 02:42:44.340 that's what I was trying to get to. 02:42:44.340 --> 02:42:47.780 And then if you're going on McKinney Street 02:42:47.780 --> 02:42:49.660 and making a left turn there, 02:42:49.660 --> 02:42:55.500 there are a series of trees that splits the street, 02:42:55.500 --> 02:43:00.500 and there's no caretaking of anything in that area. 02:43:00.500 --> 02:43:05.860 They just put up a brand new little retail area, 02:43:05.860 --> 02:43:10.660 suns, coffee, some other things 02:43:10.660 --> 02:43:12.660 that are coming up over there. 02:43:12.660 --> 02:43:15.180 But there are literally no curbs on that street. 02:43:15.180 --> 02:43:20.180 And the concern is when folks make a left turn 02:43:20.180 --> 02:43:22.700 or a right turn into that area, 02:43:22.700 --> 02:43:24.660 there's those trees there. 02:43:24.660 --> 02:43:26.900 And there's just one little sign 02:43:26.900 --> 02:43:30.620 that tells the driver to go over to the right, 02:43:30.620 --> 02:43:33.540 so they won't run into the trees. 02:43:33.540 --> 02:43:36.060 But there's still curbs. 02:43:36.060 --> 02:43:39.900 Also on the corner of Paisley and Roodale, 02:43:42.260 --> 02:43:43.740 the same thing. 02:43:43.740 --> 02:43:46.580 So I, again, I wanna make sure 02:43:46.580 --> 02:43:49.740 that those folks over there are not forgotten. 02:43:49.740 --> 02:43:52.980 I mean, just by even just having even the roll curbs 02:43:52.980 --> 02:43:55.180 would even be more sufficient 02:43:55.180 --> 02:43:58.260 than not having literally anything at all. 02:43:58.260 --> 02:44:01.380 So will you all please add that to your list? 02:44:01.380 --> 02:44:03.660 I appreciate the update on Campbell Street. 02:44:03.660 --> 02:44:08.220 I drive down Campbell Street all the time. 02:44:08.220 --> 02:44:10.580 So I got that. 02:44:10.580 --> 02:44:12.980 And thank you all for taking time to do that. 02:44:12.980 --> 02:44:15.500 - Sure, that's no problem. - I think my concentration 02:44:15.500 --> 02:44:18.380 should have been Jenny Street. 02:44:18.380 --> 02:44:19.740 - Okay, well, we heard you. 02:44:19.740 --> 02:44:20.580 That's perfect. 02:44:20.580 --> 02:44:21.900 We'll look at that. 02:44:21.900 --> 02:44:23.500 I don't have any reasons why trees 02:44:23.500 --> 02:44:24.660 would be in the middle of the red way, 02:44:24.660 --> 02:44:27.260 but obviously probably someone knows. 02:44:27.260 --> 02:44:29.300 But we will look into that 02:44:29.300 --> 02:44:33.020 and look into also the Paisley-Roodale area. 02:44:33.020 --> 02:44:36.180 And then one thing we will want to evaluate 02:44:36.180 --> 02:44:38.380 is any coordination with any projects 02:44:38.380 --> 02:44:40.900 that either are being done through the maintenance operations 02:44:40.900 --> 02:44:42.260 or through the capital projects. 02:44:42.260 --> 02:44:43.860 So we'll see what's going on in that area. 02:44:43.860 --> 02:44:46.180 So thank you for bringing that to our attention. 02:44:46.180 --> 02:44:48.020 Fantastic. 02:44:48.020 --> 02:44:52.340 So the last item on my staff report is the FM 2181 plans. 02:44:52.340 --> 02:44:56.620 Councilmember McGuire requested a copy of the actual plans 02:44:56.620 --> 02:44:58.660 and asked about sound walls 02:44:58.660 --> 02:45:01.020 and where those were going to be installed. 02:45:01.020 --> 02:45:05.940 I did send her an email with a copy of the sound wall plans, 02:45:05.940 --> 02:45:08.420 which actually showed the locations. 02:45:08.420 --> 02:45:11.380 And then we actually today delivered her a flash drive 02:45:11.380 --> 02:45:14.940 because the set of plans is so large it could not be emailed. 02:45:14.940 --> 02:45:19.940 And so she now has a copy of the plans in her possession. 02:45:19.940 --> 02:45:23.260 And so hopefully we've addressed those concerns. 02:45:23.260 --> 02:45:25.100 And I know as you may have questions, 02:45:25.100 --> 02:45:27.580 different things that come up 02:45:27.580 --> 02:45:28.900 or different things that you'd like for us 02:45:28.900 --> 02:45:31.020 to explain to you, we'll be happy to do so. 02:45:31.020 --> 02:45:33.180 But hopefully that answered those questions 02:45:33.180 --> 02:45:34.060 and those requests. 02:45:34.060 --> 02:45:34.940 - Yes, thank you so much. 02:45:34.940 --> 02:45:36.780 I look forward to looking through that file 02:45:36.780 --> 02:45:37.780 on the thumb drive. 02:45:37.780 --> 02:45:40.020 - Sure, no problem at all. 02:45:40.020 --> 02:45:44.100 Alrighty, so let's move on to the last thing of the day, 02:45:44.100 --> 02:45:48.140 which is going through the future agenda items. 02:45:48.140 --> 02:45:51.540 I believe today that we've addressed 02:45:51.540 --> 02:45:55.100 the majority of the interest that you had 02:45:55.100 --> 02:45:56.060 at the last meeting. 02:45:56.060 --> 02:45:57.820 I know there's still some additional questions 02:45:57.820 --> 02:45:58.980 about Curly Street 02:45:58.980 --> 02:46:01.700 and what additional improvement measures will be done there. 02:46:01.700 --> 02:46:05.100 Staff is still evaluating Morris. 02:46:05.100 --> 02:46:08.060 We can continue to bring you updates on Hinkle. 02:46:08.060 --> 02:46:10.100 And then of course, instead of Campbell, 02:46:10.100 --> 02:46:13.100 we'll look at Janie and Paisley Roodell. 02:46:13.100 --> 02:46:14.580 Is there anything additional 02:46:14.580 --> 02:46:17.420 that you would like to add to this list? 02:46:17.420 --> 02:46:19.020 Yes, ma'am. 02:46:19.020 --> 02:46:19.860 - Thank you. 02:46:19.860 --> 02:46:23.060 So Eric Pruitt had asked about this, 02:46:23.060 --> 02:46:25.660 I believe a few months ago. 02:46:25.660 --> 02:46:30.660 There is a trail that leads from Lake Forest Park 02:46:32.500 --> 02:46:37.500 south and currently ends right before Hickory Creek Road 02:46:37.500 --> 02:46:41.780 and then picks up again south of Hickory Creek Road 02:46:41.780 --> 02:46:44.780 and runs just west of McNair Elementary 02:46:44.780 --> 02:46:46.420 down to Cross Timbers Park. 02:46:46.420 --> 02:46:51.100 The plans that were shared with Eric in the past 02:46:51.100 --> 02:46:55.660 showed that there would be a trail stub 02:46:55.660 --> 02:47:01.260 connecting that trail in Lake Forest Park 02:47:01.260 --> 02:47:03.900 to the trail that leads to Cross Timbers Park 02:47:03.900 --> 02:47:08.620 and that there would be a safe crosswalk there 02:47:08.620 --> 02:47:10.220 to the west of McNair. 02:47:10.220 --> 02:47:15.260 But the curbs have been completed 02:47:15.260 --> 02:47:17.140 on the south side of Hickory Creek Road 02:47:17.140 --> 02:47:21.060 and there is no curb cut out for a crossing there. 02:47:21.060 --> 02:47:23.060 So I was hoping you could check in on that, 02:47:23.060 --> 02:47:27.180 see if they're still planning to put a crossing there, 02:47:27.180 --> 02:47:28.340 if that was just an error, 02:47:28.340 --> 02:47:33.340 if they need to cut that curb again to add an ADA ramp 02:47:33.340 --> 02:47:36.860 to cross Hickory Creek there next to McNair Elementary. 02:47:36.860 --> 02:47:40.140 - Sure, we can definitely look into that. 02:47:40.140 --> 02:47:41.300 Rachel's team is delivering 02:47:41.300 --> 02:47:43.540 that Hickory Creek Roadway project 02:47:43.540 --> 02:47:46.900 and we can see if there's something that was missed on there. 02:47:46.900 --> 02:47:48.780 I sure hope they don't have to cut the curb 02:47:48.780 --> 02:47:50.060 'cause that's my least favorite thing. 02:47:50.060 --> 02:47:51.100 I hate cut curbs. 02:47:51.100 --> 02:47:52.340 If there's anything I don't like, 02:47:52.340 --> 02:47:55.100 that what it looks like, it's a cut curb. 02:47:55.100 --> 02:47:57.340 And they hear me say that over and over and over 02:47:57.340 --> 02:47:59.700 'cause I don't like exposed aggregate on a concrete, 02:47:59.700 --> 02:48:03.180 but that's just an engineering nerd that comes out in me. 02:48:03.180 --> 02:48:06.740 But definitely we will look into that and see what happens 02:48:06.740 --> 02:48:08.820 and if there's something that needs to be taken place. 02:48:08.820 --> 02:48:10.540 So thank you for bringing that to our attention. 02:48:10.540 --> 02:48:11.380 That's no problem. 02:48:11.380 --> 02:48:12.500 - Great, thank you so much. 02:48:12.500 --> 02:48:13.340 - We have one more. 02:48:13.340 --> 02:48:14.180 - Yeah, please. 02:48:14.180 --> 02:48:17.980 - And I'm also always curious about what are the plans, 02:48:17.980 --> 02:48:22.980 long-term plans for McKinney Street from 288 to Woodrow? 02:48:22.980 --> 02:48:25.540 I know that is a very busy street. 02:48:25.540 --> 02:48:30.540 We've added some additional density on that street, 02:48:30.540 --> 02:48:35.100 but it's just nothing occurring between there. 02:48:35.100 --> 02:48:40.100 We've put two additional large apartment complexes there. 02:48:40.100 --> 02:48:46.580 I think there's one, two, three, four and townhomes there, 02:48:46.580 --> 02:48:51.580 five additional large structures there, 02:48:51.980 --> 02:48:56.180 but there's not anything that I can tell that's going on 02:48:56.180 --> 02:49:00.740 there, so I'd like to get some more information about that. 02:49:00.740 --> 02:49:03.340 I know that I've already have gotten a call 02:49:03.340 --> 02:49:07.140 from a possible developer that's looking over there 02:49:07.140 --> 02:49:12.020 in that big area of a 288 on the other side of the street. 02:49:12.020 --> 02:49:14.340 - I am prepared to answer that for you today. 02:49:14.340 --> 02:49:15.180 - Okay. 02:49:15.180 --> 02:49:19.060 - So loop 288 from Woodrow, Audre all the way to, 02:49:19.060 --> 02:49:21.460 I'm sorry, McKinney from Woodrow, Audre all the way 02:49:21.460 --> 02:49:24.380 to loop 288 is not currently a capital project 02:49:24.380 --> 02:49:25.620 that's planned. 02:49:25.620 --> 02:49:28.820 Rachel and myself worked on a list of projects 02:49:28.820 --> 02:49:31.220 reviewing the mobility plan and a few projects 02:49:31.220 --> 02:49:32.900 that are currently on our list 02:49:32.900 --> 02:49:35.460 that maybe don't have all of the funding. 02:49:35.460 --> 02:49:37.060 This is one of the projects that actually 02:49:37.060 --> 02:49:40.140 the city manager's office also asked us to look into. 02:49:40.140 --> 02:49:43.500 We have submitted it to Mr. Polster as his representation 02:49:43.500 --> 02:49:47.500 for the county as a possible project that would be funded 02:49:47.500 --> 02:49:50.100 through the county bond program, 02:49:50.100 --> 02:49:52.380 but currently we do not have any plans for that, 02:49:52.380 --> 02:49:54.700 so it will either be something that we will be looking at 02:49:54.700 --> 02:49:56.940 receiving funding through the county 02:49:56.940 --> 02:50:00.180 or if there would be a possible roadway bond program 02:50:00.180 --> 02:50:02.300 that could come out sometime, 02:50:02.300 --> 02:50:04.940 and I'm not aware of that happening, 02:50:04.940 --> 02:50:06.300 but that would be the way that we would have 02:50:06.300 --> 02:50:10.660 to receive funding similar to what I mentioned 02:50:10.660 --> 02:50:12.380 on the Highland Park roadway project. 02:50:12.380 --> 02:50:15.140 So we're aware of the fact that McKinney 02:50:15.140 --> 02:50:18.380 is going to be improved from basically the loop 02:50:18.380 --> 02:50:20.460 all the way east of town, 02:50:20.460 --> 02:50:24.620 and know that the section really between Woodrow 02:50:24.620 --> 02:50:29.100 and the loop has not taken into place. 02:50:29.100 --> 02:50:30.860 It's not just roadway infrastructure. 02:50:30.860 --> 02:50:33.100 We also want to improve the drainage infrastructure 02:50:33.100 --> 02:50:34.460 in that area. 02:50:34.460 --> 02:50:36.820 There are utility lines that would have to be improved 02:50:36.820 --> 02:50:39.780 in that area, so there's a very large project, 02:50:39.780 --> 02:50:43.100 and so we are really anxious to hear 02:50:43.100 --> 02:50:44.500 about that county bond program, 02:50:44.500 --> 02:50:48.580 which we're hearing now it could be possibly fall of 2022, 02:50:48.580 --> 02:50:51.500 but definitely something that's on our radar 02:50:51.500 --> 02:50:54.180 and our list of large projects that we'd like to see 02:50:54.180 --> 02:50:55.540 completed within the city. 02:50:55.540 --> 02:50:57.980 Yes, ma'am. 02:50:57.980 --> 02:51:01.820 - Yeah, I'd like to add to the list if I could. 02:51:01.820 --> 02:51:05.500 I don't know how many speed studies you've got going, 02:51:05.500 --> 02:51:08.740 but Malone Street I think was done so well 02:51:09.780 --> 02:51:14.780 that really invites driving above the posted speed limit, 02:51:14.780 --> 02:51:21.340 and it's got a very well-done turn lane 02:51:21.340 --> 02:51:26.340 that anecdotally is used as a passing lane, 02:51:26.340 --> 02:51:30.220 so my ask would be if you could take a look at 02:51:30.220 --> 02:51:34.380 what, do a speed study and see if in fact 02:51:34.380 --> 02:51:36.700 we're in line with what's posted, 02:51:36.700 --> 02:51:41.540 and then I would not suggest, if you find the concern 02:51:41.540 --> 02:51:46.540 to be warranted, I would not suggest there's any issue 02:51:46.540 --> 02:51:48.660 with the signage. 02:51:48.660 --> 02:51:52.620 I think we'd have to think about what design considerations 02:51:52.620 --> 02:51:57.620 could be brought to bear, maybe not made out of concrete, 02:51:57.620 --> 02:52:00.900 but temporary adjustments that would bring 02:52:00.900 --> 02:52:05.900 the driver behavior into line with the desired posting. 02:52:07.660 --> 02:52:10.300 - Sure, so could you give me this section of Malone? 02:52:10.300 --> 02:52:13.780 My assumption is you're talking north of 380? 02:52:13.780 --> 02:52:14.620 - No. 02:52:14.620 --> 02:52:15.440 - I'm sorry, south of 380? 02:52:15.440 --> 02:52:18.940 - You're talking about between university and scripture. 02:52:18.940 --> 02:52:22.740 - University and scripture, okay, so south of 380. 02:52:22.740 --> 02:52:24.860 So we can absolutely look into that, 02:52:24.860 --> 02:52:27.540 so are you expressing that individuals are using 02:52:27.540 --> 02:52:30.660 the center lane as a driving lane 02:52:30.660 --> 02:52:32.980 instead of just for turning left or right movements? 02:52:32.980 --> 02:52:35.700 - Yeah, that is, but the primary concern is speeding. 02:52:35.700 --> 02:52:37.140 - Speeding, okay. 02:52:37.140 --> 02:52:40.780 Sure, we can evaluate that and look into that specifically, 02:52:40.780 --> 02:52:44.580 that's no issue, and report back, 02:52:44.580 --> 02:52:46.980 and it may be necessary for us to conduct 02:52:46.980 --> 02:52:48.580 a speed study in that area. 02:52:48.580 --> 02:52:50.500 I'm not aware of the last time that was conducted, 02:52:50.500 --> 02:52:51.780 but happy to look into it. 02:52:51.780 --> 02:52:53.180 - Appreciate it. 02:52:53.180 --> 02:52:57.000 So I've got anyone else, anything else? 02:52:57.000 --> 02:53:00.340 All right, we're up to concluding items. 02:53:00.340 --> 02:53:01.620 Anyone want to make a little speech, 02:53:01.620 --> 02:53:03.940 talk about what fairs people want to go to, 02:53:03.940 --> 02:53:06.060 or anything like that, no? 02:53:06.060 --> 02:53:08.080 That's it, no concluding items? 02:53:08.080 --> 02:53:08.920 - All righty. 02:53:08.920 --> 02:53:10.900 - We are adjourned at 12.05.