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 - Good morning and welcome to this meeting

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 of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton.

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 We have a quorum, we have a full house.

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 And so we'll call the meeting to order.

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 Our first item for individual consideration,

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 item A, consider approval of the minutes

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 of July 21st and September 15th, 2021.

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 I'll entertain a motion.

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 Council Member Maguire.

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 - I move approval of the minutes

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 from July 21st and September 15th.

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 - I second.

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 - All in favor?

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 - Aye.

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 - Aye.

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 - Okay, minutes are approved.

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 Moving on to item B, receive a report

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 and hold the discussion regarding City of Denton

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 transportation slash mobility project status report.

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 - Yes, sir, I'm gonna ask Mr. Polster to come to the podium.

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 - Good morning, my name is John Polster

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 with Innovative Transportation Solutions

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 and I'll be giving you the mobility report.

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 This morning.

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 So we'll scroll to, let's do this.

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 We're gonna make it a little smaller.

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 So this is the 2181 North South project

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 that you all are familiar with.

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 We are still looking at a July of 22 completion date.

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 This is the tech start report here.

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 And again, if you have any issues

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 that you see while you're out there driving,

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 this report gives you Stacy Clark's cell number

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 and he's the project manager on this.

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 So if you see things you need or wanna talk to him about,

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 you can either talk to staff

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 or you can call him directly if you want.

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 The critical path item here is that we're trying

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 at the end of October to get the switch

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 to the next phase on this project.

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 And that October deadline is the critical timeframe on this.

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 If we can hit that October timeline,

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 then the sound wall can be addressed after that

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 and a lot of the other issues that we're waiting on

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 can be dealt with.

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 So for this project, there are milestones

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 and if we hit that, and it looks like we will,

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 if we hit that end of October traffic switch,

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 then we got a pretty good chance

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 of making the project complete on time in July 22.

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 Okay, this is the 35E Mayhill interchange.

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 We are working on the plan set

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 and we have plans anticipated to be provided

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 to all the stakeholders at the end of this month.

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 You'll note that on this report,

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 all of the numbers are, construction dollars

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 are all changed now and they're highlighted.

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 And remember, I've been telling you

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 the last two or three months, they've been inflated

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 for accounting reasons and now they're back to me,

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 they would put them back to the real number.

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 So they've all dropped down to the real number

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 that it was supposed to be.

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 So that's why they're all highlighted.

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 - Is that due to like actual changes in commodities prices?

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 - No ma'am, last year, so Texas has a 10 year mobility plan.

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 Well, they have a 20 year UTP,

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 but a 10 year focused mobility plan.

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 And they never know what projects are gonna finish on time

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 and which we're gonna start.

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 So they always have a surplus of projects in each year

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 'cause they don't always let on time.

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 And so they don't balance by year.

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 For whatever reason, last year, the feds, FHWA came back

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 and said, hey, your 10 year plan balances over 10,

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 but your first four years are over programmed.

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 So you have to go now and reprogram those projects

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 so that they're balanced per year.

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 And when they did that, they found that some of the districts

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 in Houston, San Antonio and Austin,

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 they weren't logging these projects for year of let.

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 So we're talking about something that's gonna let in 2025,

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 the Dallas district, they do a escalation on the cost

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 to try to hit that 2025 mark.

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 They don't use the unit prices for today

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 'cause that's not gonna work.

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 But the other districts weren't doing that.

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 So they made them roll in a 3% increase per year

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 for four years or whatever, and that over-inflated

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 the Dallas district projects,

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 but we had to follow the rules.

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 Now it's done, they've rescinded their requirement

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 and we're back to the old numbers.

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 - Can I ask a question, please?

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 I'm looking over here on the first page, the main page,

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 and it says something about a row.

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 There are 43 total parcels.

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 There are two parcels in appraisal, three parcels in ED.

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 What does ED mean?

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 - Imminent domain.

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 So what happens is it's all, they're all being acquired

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 through imminent domain proceedings.

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 That's actually a misnomer.

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 That means that they're in condemnation.

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 That means that the two parties couldn't agree on a value

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 so they just take it to a commissioner's hearing.

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 So we're letting somebody else decide the value.

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 Hopefully that will be on the glossary

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 with my check in a minute.

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 If not, it will be.

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 You'll always catch something on these things.

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 So the Mayo project, we are looking at a ready to let

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 of September 23.

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 We're working closely with TechStat

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 both on the additional scope of this project

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 and the impact of the utilities.

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 We're meeting regularly to ensure that we coordinate

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 with the state and the state's committed

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 that if there's anything in the state's design

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 that impacts the city's utilities to the extent they can,

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 they'll redo the design to minimize the impact

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 on the city's utilities to help them make the deadlines.

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 There's a lot of utilities.

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 So you're at 35E, 35W merge.

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 Again, the dollars are changed to the actuals.

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 They've come down.

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 This project has got a ready to let date of August 23.

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 The design is not part of the critical path item.

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 The right of way and the utility relocations

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 are the critical path item.

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 We just got the right of way finished in this corridor.

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 I think it said, yeah, this month.

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 So we're now moving full into utility relocations

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 and there are a lot of utility relocations

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 on this section of road.

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 As you can see, there's a lot.

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 And so again, working with TechStat to partner

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 with the city to find a way to minimize

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 if at all possible the impacts.

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 as timely as we can with the state on any impacts on those.

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 And the things that are highlighted

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 are things that we noted from the last meeting.

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 Everybody seems to be playing nice right now.

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 Okay, y'all see out there, right?

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 They already got the sub grades done.

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 And I do believe that although we're sticking to right now,

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 you'll see that it says January.

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 The last month it was February.

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 And I think that will even be January on this project.

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 But yeah, it'll be maybe it'll be a good Christmas present

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 for all of us.

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 - I'm pretty sure it said January last time.

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 - Okay, well.

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 - But I'm glad it still says January.

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 - Okay, well, it's highlighted.

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 So that tells me that my staff is smarter than I am.

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 If it's highlighted, that means it changed from something.

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 - I will refer you to the tapes.

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 I guarantee you I've said to you before January, 2022.

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 - So I'm saying December is substantially complete,

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 which means you can drive on illegally.

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 - That's great.

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 I'm really glad to see it. - And I get arrested.

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 - Thanks, John.

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 - And then your 35 North project again,

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 it went from like eight something down to 763.

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 why can't we keep the Delta, right?

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 And it just goes away, I don't know where it goes.

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 So again, this project is gonna be done in three segments,

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 not because there's any need for it,

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 except that they wanna keep the dollar amount

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 per contract below a certain level.

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 We are still working on a December 23 ready to let date.

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 The reason you see let dates that are different

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 than the ready to let is 'cause some of these dollars

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 are large and those dollars are plugged into a certain year

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 in that 10 year plan.

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 they'll look to see if there's any other projects

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 that fell out that allow them to bring it up.

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 'Cause they don't like to have projects

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 sitting on the shelf too long.

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 And again, acquiring right away

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 and we're work starting the coordination with utilities

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 and there are utilities on this section as well.

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 It's less impacting than once you get past,

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 say like Mylam Road, it's other people's problems

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 and we're working with them on that as well.

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 - John, what is that realistically gonna do to the traffic?

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 Is it gonna basically wrap people over to Bonnie Bray

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 - Yeah, well that's why we're trying to get Bonnie Bray

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 It's proven a little bit more difficult

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 because of the cost of things and COVID didn't help

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 and a lot of the funding shortfalls showed up.

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 But it's been the intent for the city,

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 especially on the Wishbone project

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 to give them an alternate route.

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 But it's gonna be tight.

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 What may end up happening 'cause that's the way my luck runs

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 is they'll both be under construction at the same time.

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 - Well, if we get close to that situation,

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 would we have any ability to put the brakes here,

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 put the gas there?

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 - Yeah, so I'm gonna say no, not me, but the process.

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 If the money's there for the project,

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 the state's gonna let the project when it's ready.

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 I'm pretty certain that we can coordinate some of that.

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 But with the city's got a CIP program,

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 with a certain dollar amount they gotta spend annually,

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 and that's scheduled for that time,

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 I think that it's gonna be hard to not do it.

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 And this is not unusual.

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 For in the 2000s, we had Flower Mound

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 and Highland Village totally destroyed.

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 'cause they were all under construction at the same time.

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 We knew that was gonna happen.

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 that was coming in at those corners.

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 because that's just how timing on 'em hit.

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 - Just seems like if we see something stupid

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 it's about to happen and we know it.

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 And it's happened before that,

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 and we have a good speaking relationship with TXDOT

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 that maybe we could not just be a victim, I don't know.

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 So this project is the Bismarck,

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 or whatever you wanna call it.

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 It's not gonna change.

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 Everything around it's gonna have to change

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 'cause that's almost a billion dollar job

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 that's gonna let when it lets.

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 It's kind of on its own steam.

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 So everything else around it has to kind of adapt.

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 - Well, I wasn't saying which thing to put the gas on

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 or which to put the brakes on, but you get it.

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 - We're working it.

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 I mean, that's been the staff's fear all along

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 is that you're gonna have everything banged up

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 at the same time.

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 And we were trying to, it says it's 24, 25.

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 If we end up, it may on its own slow down, right?

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 Because it's a behemoth of a job.

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 - I guess I'm just putting a marker on it

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 that we see a traffic accident up ahead.

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 How do you adjust your driving now?

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 And you have, I think probably personally

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 made the 380 thing happen.

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 So I know that you can be very effective.

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 Oh, pardon me. - I think you did.

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 - As part of a team effort.

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 - Yeah, we're a team.

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 We're a good team.

262
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 - So I'm just underscoring this traffic accident

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 I see down the road.

264
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 - Yes, sir.

265
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 - Well, and to that end,

266
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 could you speak to the planning

267
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 of those final Bonnie Bray phases

268
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 and how that might interact with this project?

269
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 - It's in the report.

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 Can we get, you wanna do them now

271
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 or 'cause we're gonna get to them in a second.

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 - Oh, right, no, okay, that's fine.

273
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 - I get confused if I get out of order.

274
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 - Sorry.

275
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 - So, December 23, but as you know,

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 most projects don't meet their let dates.

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 Sometimes they slide.

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 So there's a good chance that gravity will take care of it.

279
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 All right, then in your 35 W main lanes,

280
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 again, we're not gonna talk about those today

281
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 'cause we're not intending to build them.

282
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 Once we got them cleared,

283
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 we moved into the Furniture Road project.

284
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 We are, let's see, HNTB has been hired

285
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 to do the design for this

286
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 and they've already started working on

287
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 or completed the IJR,

288
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 which is the Interstate Access Justification Report

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 and I'm certain that should be in the glossary if it's not.

290
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 And so the intent right now

291
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 is to do the northern half of the project from 407 North.

292
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 We are having some conversations

293
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 with some of the developments down there,

294
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 Hillwood in particular,

295
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 and they're wanting to expedite some of the infrastructure

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 and we haven't really figured out yet how to,

297
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 I'm sure there's a way to do it,

298
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 but they wanna be able to expedite it.

299
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 Of course, they wanna get paid back,

300
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 but we'll have to figure that out.

301
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 But the intent is 407 North on the Furniture Roads.

302
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 And we're shooting for that 24 let date.

303
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 - Thank you, Tom, excuse me.

304
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 I just wanna make sure you took my tone right.

305
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 No aspersion on you.

306
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 No aspersion on you even slightly.

307
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 - Yes, sir. - Yeah, okay, thanks.

308
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 - The US38377 project, again, it's under construction.

309
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 The Techstart report indicates that

310
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 they're currently working on the first phase of the project

311
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 and the shifts in traffic have gone well

312
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 and they are putting up the additional traffic control signs

313
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 for the narrow lanes and 50 mile an hour speed message board.

314
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 And again, this is the scenario where once they get

315
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 the shoring up of the abutments of the bridge structures,

316
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 they're gonna look at coming in with temporary barriers

317
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 across the lake bridges because these accidents

318
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 that are occurring are crossover accidents.

319
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 But as soon as the ordinances are passed,

320
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 the statutory signs will go up,

321
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 the advisory will come down and we'll go from there.

322
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 But it's still on track for November 23 completion.

323
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 US388, we're still essentially,

324
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 it's been awarded to the contractor,

325
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 but we're essentially still working on some utilities.

326
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 It has a delayed start.

327
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 Zachary was the low bidder.

328
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 It has a delayed start till December or January.

329
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 And so once we get that information,

330
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 we will change this to construction completion.

331
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 And we'll know it because they're saying

332
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 that their barricades, they're assuming

333
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 that there'll be about 36 months of barricades.

334
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 So they're thinking it's a three-year job,

335
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 which I can see that because the utilities alone are gonna,

336
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 even though they're supposed to be gone,

337
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 they're never always, ever always gone.

338
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 So we are in negotiations,

339
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 and we'll probably have the conversation today

340
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 at one o'clock with TechStat.

341
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 We are in negotiations with TechStat to pick up

342
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 the next phase of study on 380,

343
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 which is an environmental document.

344
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 I can tell you that Denton County is putting on there,

345
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 I think it's probably next Tuesday's court agenda,

346
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 an RFQ to begin the environmental clearance

347
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 on the outer loop, which is up there

348
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 on the northern part of the yellow box,

349
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 and the environmental for adding frontage roads

350
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 to loop 288 in that brown section.

351
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 So both in the cities and the county thoroughfare plan,

352
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 loop 288 in that segment is a freeway

353
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 functional classification,

354
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 consistent with what the 288 West is.

355
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 So what you have out there right now,

356
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 for all intent and purposes, are main lanes.

357
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 And what we're gonna do is clear the frontage roads.

358
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 We can come back in and put frontage roads.

359
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 So that quadrant, there's a lot of pressure

360
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 to develop that quadrant right now.

361
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 And with the frontage roads in place,

362
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 that'll allow that development to occur

363
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 without impacting the main lanes.

364
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 Loop 288 West, we have Ching Patel on contract now.

365
00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:19,660
 We still need to get a kickoff meeting

366
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 and it's just been a little bit difficult

367
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 because of some of the coordination with some of their subs,

368
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 but that kickoff meeting essentially is to sit down

369
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 with Ching Patel, TxDOT and the city of Denton staff,

370
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 and just find out, 'cause this is essentially,

371
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 what TxDOT wants to make sure is that they get this right

372
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 for the city, 'cause this is your development corridor.

373
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 And so they wanna make sure that what they're planning

374
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 on doing is consistent with what the city wants in that area.

375
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 But they are on contract by the county

376
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 and the same with 1515, they're on contract

377
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 and we are working to set up the pre-con on this one as well

378
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 and they'll also include the city.

379
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 That RFQ that's gonna have the outer loop

380
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 and 288 Northeast will also include the PSNE,

381
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 the plan specifications and estimates for FM 1173

382
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 and we put it on the street to select a firm

383
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 and it should be on the court's agenda next Tuesday,

384
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 I think, 'cause I submitted it last week.

385
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 So the county will be picking up the design

386
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 on this section of 1173.

387
00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:53,180
 Okay, on the Locus, I think the city and TxDOT coordinated

388
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 on the locations for the cores.

389
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 I think that went, I didn't hear anybody

390
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 say they broke anything, so I would say that went well.

391
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 So now they're going back and analyzing what's out there

392
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 and we'll be talking about it again today

393
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 at our one o'clock meeting

394
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 and I'm sure we'll provide you some additional information

395
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 on that in your Friday update based on that meeting

396
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 on where we are on this one.

397
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 And acronyms, okay, and then IJR.

398
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 (indistinct)

399
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 So condomation is a tool used under eminent domain.

400
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 (indistinct)

401
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,940
 Yeah, yeah, that's what TxDOT uses those terms, yes ma'am.

402
00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:52,700
 - Sorry, what I was saying was in this document,

403
00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:54,420
 when you use the phrase eminent domain,

404
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 you're referring to parcels that are going

405
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 through the condemnation process.

406
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 - Yes ma'am, I do, I should probably amplify.

407
00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,420
 - That's kind of the common usage.

408
00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:09,420
 - Yes sir, I'm a stickler, no I'm not, okay.

409
00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:12,300
 I think I'm done and I was told to hurry up,

410
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:15,800
 so I was gonna see if there was any questions

411
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 but I really don't mean it.

412
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,260
 - No, no, that was about Bonnie Bray, to hurry that up.

413
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:21,980
 - Oh, I thought it, I forgot it.

414
00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:23,380
 - I'm just kidding.

415
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:25,660
 - This is the on system, I'm sorry.

416
00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:28,580
 - Yeah, no problem, I'm actually gonna ask Rachel

417
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 to come up and talk to you about Bonnie Bray

418
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 because her team is delivering the Bonnie Bray projects

419
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 and she can talk specifically about the phasing

420
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 in much more detailed information.

421
00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:43,840
 - I apologize, I'm gonna use my laptop

422
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,140
 just because there's a lot to cover.

423
00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:46,980
 There are six, actually seven phases

424
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 if you count four and four be a Bonnie Bray.

425
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 So if it's okay with you, I'm just gonna kind of run

426
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 through each of the phases.

427
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,540
 Some of the phases right now,

428
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 we're working on right of way acquisition

429
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 and I will note that right of way acquisition

430
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 has been extremely challenging,

431
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,860
 particularly for Bonnie Bray phase six.

432
00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:04,580
 So some of these dates that I'm gonna give you

433
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 are very much preliminary estimates

434
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 based on how things are tracking right now.

435
00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:13,780
 So Bonnie Bray phase one from Roselon to Vintage,

436
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 that is actually nearing substantial completion.

437
00:23:16,540 --> 00:23:18,380
 The project will be completed

438
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 by the end of this calendar year.

439
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,740
 We're working on punchless items

440
00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:23,940
 at this point for that phase.

441
00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:27,220
 Bonnie Bray phase two from Vintage to US 370,

442
00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:31,580
 I'm sorry, Vintage from US 377 to I-35 West.

443
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:33,460
 This project is also going to be completed

444
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 by the end of this calendar year.

445
00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:36,780
 So making really great headway there.

446
00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:39,420
 We actually recently met Seth Garcia,

447
00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:41,860
 the project manager as well as our inspector,

448
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:43,860
 met with several of the residents in the area,

449
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 walked through, talked about some of their concerns.

450
00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:49,020
 So making really great headway on that as well.

451
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 - Pardon me, Rachel. - Sure.

452
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,540
 - You're probably aware and I would just have to just

453
00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:56,620
 track back and forth, which I'm happy to do,

454
00:23:56,620 --> 00:24:01,060
 but just how does it line up again with the work on--

455
00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:04,120
 - So we've got Bonnie Bray phases one, two, and three,

456
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 which are north of I-35,

457
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 and then the rest of the phases are gonna be,

458
00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:11,500
 I'm sorry, I said that the wrong way.

459
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:14,660
 Phases one, two, and three are south of I-35,

460
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 and then phases four B through six are north of I-35.

461
00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:24,100
 And so they're all kind of, in a perfect world,

462
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,540
 we wouldn't have had them synchronized the way they are,

463
00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:28,260
 but we needed to sync up, for example,

464
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 Bonnie Bray phase six with the opening

465
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 of Denton High School.

466
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 And we also had some funding considerations

467
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:37,380
 that came into play where we needed to complete

468
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 certain segments before others.

469
00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:42,100
 And so they all are interrelated

470
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:44,500
 and have different kind of spokes

471
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 in terms of how they interact with the I-35 project.

472
00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:50,680
 - Yeah, so at the end of the day,

473
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 where do we need to get to be ready for the I-35 in time?

474
00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:57,140
 And what's the key date?

475
00:24:57,140 --> 00:25:00,420
 - So as John mentioned, it is going to be very challenging

476
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,700
 just because we're at different stages

477
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,740
 for each of the phases of the Bonnie Bray project.

478
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:08,460
 And so we are going to do our best.

479
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:11,000
 We can certainly, as John mentioned,

480
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 the I-35 project obviously has the larger budget,

481
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:15,260
 and it's something that we don't necessarily

482
00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:17,980
 have any control on the timing on.

483
00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:20,140
 We of course do have control on the timing

484
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 of our Bonnie Bray project.

485
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,500
 Some of those phases do have regional funding

486
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,860
 associated with them and federal funding.

487
00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,900
 So some of those phases do need to proceed

488
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,080
 just because we need to make sure

489
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 that we're spending those federal and regional dollars.

490
00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:37,820
 - Pardon me, I wasn't really looking at the rationale

491
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:40,980
 and I'm happy to, since this is a little bit in the future,

492
00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:44,220
 to just ask that, could we look at these items together

493
00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:46,620
 even though one's text on and one's local?

494
00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:48,940
 I mean, next time we look at them,

495
00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:50,260
 so we see holistically.

496
00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:52,940
 - Yeah, we can do a map for you if that's helpful

497
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:56,060
 and kind of, and show the current timelines

498
00:25:56,060 --> 00:25:58,540
 that we're tracking on if that would be helpful.

499
00:25:58,540 --> 00:26:03,980
 Yeah, I apologize.

500
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:05,420
 We will certainly have something prepared

501
00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:07,420
 for the next mobility committee meeting.

502
00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:11,060
 - You're doing awesome, just this is a new request.

503
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:13,580
 But if I may, map is great.

504
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:15,820
 Different people get information differently.

505
00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:17,340
 I'd kind of like to see the timeline

506
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:19,620
 so I see, okay, does this one get done

507
00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,340
 before that one gets started?

508
00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:23,720
 I know John knows where I'm heading on this.

509
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,020
 - Yeah, and we actually have a map

510
00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:27,860
 that we've shared before inside the actual report

511
00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:29,780
 that John puts together.

512
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:33,260
 But we took it out of the packet that John puts together

513
00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:36,060
 because it's an off-system roadway instead of an on-system

514
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:38,460
 and John's report is specifically on-system.

515
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:39,300
 - Yeah, I get that.

516
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,300
 - But all of the phases of Bonnie Bray,

517
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,960
 we have a map that shows all those phases.

518
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,720
 I will mention that the capital projects delivery team

519
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,380
 is working very hard on getting phase one, two, and three

520
00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:52,220
 completed.

521
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:56,340
 Phase six is the other phase that's currently in process

522
00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:58,780
 with design and we're running into some obstacles

523
00:26:58,780 --> 00:27:01,860
 related to condemnation.

524
00:27:01,860 --> 00:27:04,700
 And so that is some of the challenges

525
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,860
 but we are syncing up with trying to make sure

526
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:09,300
 that we get that portion completed

527
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,380
 'cause it's going to be so important

528
00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:13,660
 for the high school in that area.

529
00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:16,060
 And then on phases four and five,

530
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:18,500
 those are phases that we're currently working with John

531
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:19,900
 as the county is mentioning

532
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:21,580
 they're going to be having a bond election

533
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:24,180
 because those are currently not fully funded projects.

534
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:26,740
 So Rachel has all of the information

535
00:27:26,740 --> 00:27:28,440
 that can show you that we can,

536
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,860
 if you're specifically mostly interested in anything north,

537
00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:36,100
 say near the textile location of their regional,

538
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:37,600
 or I'm sorry, their district office

539
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,660
 or local district office,

540
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:44,540
 we can provide you a map that shows phase four, phase five.

541
00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:46,980
 As you know, there's a major water line project

542
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:49,300
 going on in that area also

543
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:51,820
 and kind of what the timing of those projects are

544
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:55,140
 in coordination with the timing of the 35 project.

545
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:56,500
 - Yeah, that's the key to me.

546
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,460
 I'm more interested, frankly, in the timeline

547
00:28:00,460 --> 00:28:03,540
 rather than the map and looking at them together.

548
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:07,460
 And ultimately, I just want to be able to understand

549
00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:09,380
 and be able to communicate to others

550
00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:11,140
 that this gets done,

551
00:28:11,140 --> 00:28:13,140
 this is necessary to get done before that

552
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,260
 and it's, how tight is it?

553
00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:18,220
 Or are we missing or, that's the key to me.

554
00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:20,860
 - Yeah, and I will just tell you that, you know,

555
00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:22,820
 there could be opportunities where folks will need

556
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:24,540
 to take alternate routes in this area

557
00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:25,700
 as construction's happening.

558
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:27,640
 So, you know, thinking through that

559
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,180
 and planning those things,

560
00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:31,740
 I think it's something that we definitely want to do

561
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:33,780
 and be proactive to be able to explain

562
00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:35,620
 the construction situation.

563
00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:38,060
 But I will tell you, just like with Monterrey phase six,

564
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:40,660
 it does have regional toll funding, as Rachel mentioned.

565
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:42,540
 So that funding has to be spent

566
00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:44,180
 or we will lose funding.

567
00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:46,660
 So we will run ourselves into a situation

568
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:48,400
 where more than likely the two areas

569
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,460
 will be under construction at the same time.

570
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:53,700
 So educating the traveling public

571
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,220
 and making sure that they understand

572
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:57,780
 there's alternate routes or alternate locations,

573
00:28:57,780 --> 00:29:00,100
 you know, will be something that we want

574
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,140
 to be able to express.

575
00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:03,660
 - Yeah, and that's great.

576
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:05,500
 And I need to, you know, we all need to be able

577
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:10,340
 to communicate why this, like, kind of blatantly not,

578
00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:14,540
 you know, not very hard to explain things is occurring.

579
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:16,900
 That seems, you know, it's not very intuitive

580
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:18,740
 that we have to do it because the money's there.

581
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:21,180
 Well, why isn't the money there when it should be there

582
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:23,220
 instead of just when it happens to be there?

583
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:28,100
 You know, why doesn't the needs of a community come first,

584
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,700
 you know, rather than just some random reason

585
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,540
 why the money is there at this time?

586
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:35,100
 You know, that's hard for us.

587
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,700
 You know, so the best we can understand it ourselves

588
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:42,540
 and be able to communicate how long, what will be done,

589
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:44,060
 you know, to compensate.

590
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:47,540
 And ideally, the best we can do to influence the situation

591
00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:52,540
 to make it, you know, less ridiculous feeling

592
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:53,860
 will be super helpful. - Yeah, and I think,

593
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:55,740
 you know, TxDOT understands and knows

594
00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:57,540
 that they're not going to be working on

595
00:29:57,540 --> 00:30:00,620
 every single phase of 35 at the same time.

596
00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:03,980
 A lot of those things will happen with construction phasing.

597
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:05,820
 We're currently working through a lot of that

598
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:07,860
 with TxDOT right now.

599
00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:10,780
 And then we'll continue throughout the phase

600
00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:13,580
 of each one of those individual portions of the project.

601
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:16,620
 So definitely understand and we get

602
00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:18,900
 the same questions you do, so we have to be able

603
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,100
 to answer those same questions.

604
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,180
 So we understand and we'll work to communicate that.

605
00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:26,980
 So it's been something that has been our goal

606
00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:29,660
 to try to not make happen, but unfortunately,

607
00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:32,700
 due to some of the condemnation situations

608
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,340
 that we're currently in, it is causing a delay

609
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:37,460
 to the phase six project.

610
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:39,500
 - No, I think the horse is pretty dead now.

611
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,620
 We've beaten it enough. - Okay, cool.

612
00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:43,460
 Well, we can move on, no problem.

613
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:44,300
 Thank you, Rachel. - And we do have

614
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,540
 a few other projects that are peripheral to Bonnie Bray

615
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:49,220
 that we can list in there as well.

616
00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:50,940
 Windsor being a prime example.

617
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:52,540
 I know we talked about that recently

618
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:54,260
 during the Westgate presentation.

619
00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:57,100
 So want to make sure you're getting the context

620
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,900
 of all of the streets that kind of spine off of Bonnie Bray

621
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:01,580
 because there are, as you know,

622
00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:04,260
 we have several planned construction projects

623
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:06,300
 that are going to be in close proximity

624
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:07,780
 to the I-35 project.

625
00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:09,820
 So we can work on getting that package to you,

626
00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:12,500
 get you some dates, and then also get you that map

627
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,820
 ready by our next mobility committee meeting.

628
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:20,300
 - Thank you, Rachel.

629
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:21,940
 - Have we finished the item then?

630
00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:25,420
 Anything else on that item?

631
00:31:25,420 --> 00:31:26,260
 No, we're all good.

632
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:27,920
 Okay, thank you very much.

633
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,060
 We'll move on to item C.

634
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:32,860
 I can't wait.

635
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:34,460
 Receive a report and hold the discussion

636
00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:36,380
 regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation

637
00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:39,700
 Authority, DCTA, and I think we'll probably hear

638
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:43,260
 an introduction as well of a guest.

639
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:47,020
 Morning, Gray.

640
00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:49,260
 - Well, good morning, and thank you for this opportunity

641
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:50,940
 to address the mobility committee.

642
00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:55,700
 It's been a while, probably a year and a half at least

643
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,300
 since we've been face-to-face,

644
00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,340
 at least a portion of our faces we can see.

645
00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:00,580
 So thank you for this opportunity.

646
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:03,740
 Look forward to working with the mobility committee

647
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:08,740
 and the council as we reshape transit.

648
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:12,900
 And I really do appreciate all of the interest

649
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,060
 and the dialogue about transit.

650
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:19,980
 We are in unprecedented times with COVID,

651
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:23,180
 certainly has impacted the economy and transit

652
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:26,980
 and transportation nationwide, frankly worldwide.

653
00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:31,540
 And I see this as a great opportunity to reshape

654
00:32:31,540 --> 00:32:35,500
 the future of our communities, enhancing the livability,

655
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:37,580
 improving air quality, and ultimately doing

656
00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:39,900
 what we're supposed to do with the tax dollars

657
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,820
 that we receive from you, which is to improve mobility.

658
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:46,700
 With me today, I'd like to introduce Ms. Brittany Farr.

659
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,220
 She's our new director of government relations.

660
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:55,220
 She comes from DART, has over eight years of experience

661
00:32:55,220 --> 00:33:00,540
 leading strategy and working with the 13 member cities,

662
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:04,620
 stakeholder communities on all different aspects,

663
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:09,220
 including social initiatives, mobility, on demand services,

664
00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:12,380
 and of course, the primary functions of DART,

665
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:15,220
 which is trains and buses and the like.

666
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:20,220
 So we're very, very happy that she chose to join DCTA

667
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:25,740
 and she will be my backup and we will team

668
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:29,180
 to make sure that we can bring important information,

669
00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:31,980
 have discussions with you as we move forward, so.

670
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:32,820
 - Welcome.

671
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:35,100
 - Thank you, Brittany.

672
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,860
 Presentation, this looks like the end

673
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:42,900
 of John Polster's presentation.

674
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:46,060
 Hold on, let me just exit out of that one.

675
00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:54,260
 Okay, here we go.

676
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:55,700
 Yeah, got it, thanks.

677
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,140
 Excellent.

678
00:33:59,020 --> 00:34:01,420
 I see those DART skills right away.

679
00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:02,260
 - See that?

680
00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:03,180
 She just jumps in.

681
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:07,860
 Yeah, absolutely.

682
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:11,940
 So we request to provide an update on GoZone.

683
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:15,540
 I'll walk you through where we are with GoZone,

684
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:17,660
 spend a little time on fixed route,

685
00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:19,780
 talk about how the decision-making process

686
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,340
 is gonna happen with the DCTA board

687
00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:23,980
 over the next two board meetings

688
00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:25,900
 and then we'll kind of talk about next steps.

689
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,980
 So with regard to GoZone,

690
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:30,820
 we launched the service on September 7th.

691
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:33,420
 Ridership has continued to grow,

692
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:37,580
 as you could expect with any new service

693
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:39,660
 that you're implementing.

694
00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:42,700
 We will have bumps in the road.

695
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:44,420
 We've had some of those.

696
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:46,300
 I'm very confident that we're gonna continue

697
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,260
 to move forward in a very positive direction,

698
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:52,900
 but you can see some of the highlights of the ridership.

699
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:57,380
 We are seeing ridership starting to eclipse daily ridership

700
00:34:57,380 --> 00:34:58,940
 on the fixed route bus.

701
00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:02,460
 I'll talk about that in a little bit more detail.

702
00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:03,780
 Average ridership.

703
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:08,300
 We have seen a steady growth in new riders,

704
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,940
 which is interesting to see.

705
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,500
 As we continue to come forward,

706
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,780
 you will see some very interesting heat maps

707
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:19,900
 of how we're starting to see transit and riders

708
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:21,300
 and where they're coming from.

709
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,980
 And it's just, it's excellent data.

710
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:27,020
 The visualization really helps to understand

711
00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:30,140
 how traffic patterns and people,

712
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:33,420
 how they're moving about the area are changing.

713
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:36,420
 You can see the ridership ratings.

714
00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:38,340
 We do have the ability with the service

715
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:42,100
 to allow customers to provide feedback on the trip.

716
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,420
 So typically in transit,

717
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:46,340
 you would have to go out and do a survey,

718
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:49,180
 hire somebody, get feedback.

719
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:51,580
 This comes in literally every day.

720
00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:56,580
 So we get feedback on how customers feel about the service.

721
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:59,940
 The average ride duration is under 13 minutes,

722
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:01,700
 which is excellent.

723
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,220
 And the average travel distance is roughly four miles.

724
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:09,540
 Sorry about that.

725
00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:13,060
 On the connect side, we're starting to see

726
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:15,940
 an increase in ridership.

727
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:20,300
 Connect route service is challenging.

728
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:22,020
 There's a lot of factors that go into

729
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:24,980
 what's either causing an increase in ridership,

730
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:26,500
 downturn in ridership.

731
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,660
 As you were just hearing earlier

732
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:31,340
 about the construction of Bonnie Bray as an example,

733
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,820
 our fixed route buses, they're very large.

734
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:38,660
 We have to plan specifically which routes

735
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:40,300
 and which roads they can go down

736
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,580
 'cause we can't just turn down any and every road.

737
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:44,460
 So when there's construction on University

738
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:47,900
 or Bonnie Bray or Hickory or any of these,

739
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:51,500
 it creates a disruption and a challenge for our operators.

740
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,860
 It also creates a disruption and challenge

741
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:56,260
 for people that are trying to rely on the service.

742
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,380
 And are expecting to get to school or their jobs.

743
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:00,020
 And so it is a challenge.

744
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:06,140
 Compound that issue with COVID with changes

745
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:10,020
 in retail restaurants and a lot of others.

746
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,940
 It does create a challenge for ridership.

747
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:15,980
 Nevertheless, ridership is continuing to grow.

748
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:19,900
 We did have to reduce service on three routes,

749
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:23,460
 route four here in Denton, route 21 and 22 in Louisville.

750
00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:25,660
 That's predominantly because we have a shortage

751
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:28,140
 of drivers, operators.

752
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:32,420
 Now that shortage comes in a few flavors.

753
00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:37,140
 One is there's a national shortage, restaurants, retail,

754
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:38,900
 it also affects transit.

755
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:43,100
 This is not something that is unique or specific to DCTA.

756
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:46,420
 All transit authorities are having challenges hiring people

757
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:48,860
 in all different capacities.

758
00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:51,100
 But operators obviously are very important

759
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,580
 because they're the ones that are out delivering the service.

760
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:56,700
 We're about 15 operators on average short.

761
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,420
 That means that if we don't have operators,

762
00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:02,220
 we can't pull the buses out, they're not operating.

763
00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:06,660
 It doesn't provide consistency or on time performance.

764
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:09,700
 So add that on top of road closures

765
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:11,660
 and you can imagine how challenging that is

766
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:15,660
 to provide consistent quality service.

767
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:20,100
 That has also been a challenge with a discussion

768
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:23,460
 about how much longer we're gonna have fixed routes

769
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:25,940
 around so as you can imagine, people do not like waiting

770
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:27,860
 around to find out whether they're gonna have a job

771
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:29,420
 tomorrow or not.

772
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:33,900
 So we take all of these things and we're asking our provider

773
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,660
 in TMC to try to hire at the same time

774
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:38,740
 that we're talking about our routes going

775
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:39,660
 to be eliminated or not.

776
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:43,380
 So the DCTA board has shouldered a large burden

777
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:45,820
 to try to understand what the future

778
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:48,220
 of our mobility is going to be.

779
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:52,340
 And that with all of those issues,

780
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:54,940
 it obviously affects on time performance.

781
00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:57,980
 But I will also say that there's been a lot of questions

782
00:38:57,980 --> 00:39:02,180
 asked of me and of our board about how VIA

783
00:39:02,180 --> 00:39:04,140
 and our contractor is doing.

784
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:07,460
 They're an exceptional partner.

785
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:12,460
 They've owned the challenges that have come to them.

786
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:17,180
 They were asked to deliver service in three cities

787
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:19,180
 in a very short period of time.

788
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:21,100
 And what we've delivered, in my opinion

789
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:24,540
 as a professional transit leader,

790
00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:26,980
 what we've done is extraordinary.

791
00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:31,980
 It's not common to launch three cities simultaneously

792
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:35,980
 and deliver service in a consistent manner.

793
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:39,340
 So anytime you start up a new business,

794
00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:41,740
 you're gonna run into some challenges.

795
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:44,980
 I will also say that we experience those same challenges

796
00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:47,740
 with rail and bus and we've been running those

797
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:48,580
 for 10 years.

798
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:51,820
 Every morning, when I wake up and our staff wake up,

799
00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:56,540
 we hope to deliver every ride, every expectation.

800
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:58,500
 But the reality is, is when you're working

801
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:01,620
 in a very dynamic environment,

802
00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:03,460
 we don't always meet those challenges.

803
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:05,820
 And so every day it's a struggle.

804
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:09,100
 When we hire new folks and especially in a university,

805
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:15,140
 heavy university town, city,

806
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:19,900
 you have a summer, fall, spring semester.

807
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:21,220
 So not only do you have new students

808
00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:23,260
 that are having to learn how to use the system,

809
00:40:23,260 --> 00:40:26,700
 we also have operators that mark up for their jobs

810
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:28,300
 and try to figure out what route they're gonna be on.

811
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,660
 So we have folks on our bus system

812
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:31,940
 that are learning new routes,

813
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:34,260
 may not take the right street,

814
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:35,980
 wind up having all kinds of challenges.

815
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:37,620
 So not to make too much of that,

816
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:41,620
 but I think it's important to ground the discussion

817
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:45,020
 moving forward that it's not, in my professional opinion,

818
00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:47,300
 it's not that one is better than the other

819
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,860
 or that one should be gotten rid of,

820
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:53,420
 it's to build a vibrant city in partnership

821
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:57,020
 with a transit agency, you need multiple modes of service

822
00:40:57,020 --> 00:41:00,700
 to provide the best solution for the city.

823
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:02,580
 What's extraordinary about what's been done

824
00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:07,340
 is we've delivered on demand across two zones, three cities

825
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:10,140
 that provide a tremendous amount of flexibility

826
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:12,940
 for your citizens.

827
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:15,140
 We've had citizens that have called in certainly

828
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:19,340
 that have been upset because the ride may or may not

829
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:21,380
 have been there, but we have that on our bus every day

830
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:23,580
 as well, we have it with our rail every day.

831
00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:29,020
 But what I love is when we get compliments that come in

832
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:33,060
 from people of all walks and ages saying how much they love

833
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:34,460
 the new service.

834
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:36,900
 So I'm looking forward to working with you

835
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:38,940
 as a mobility committee, with the council

836
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:44,180
 and the stakeholders to build the very best transit system

837
00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:46,420
 that we can, that we can all be proud of.

838
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:49,580
 So I'm sharing with you some data, but bear in mind

839
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:52,500
 that we've been at this for about five weeks.

840
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:55,420
 Most transit professionals will tell you it takes six months

841
00:41:55,420 --> 00:42:00,420
 to a year for people to get accustomed to new routes.

842
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:03,740
 When you have significant route changes in transit,

843
00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:07,820
 the expectation, the analysis and the planning recognizes

844
00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:09,900
 that you'll probably see a downturn in ridership,

845
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,220
 not an upturn in ridership.

846
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:13,300
 And we're actually seeing the inverse.

847
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:18,020
 So it's very comforting to see the fruits of our labor

848
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:21,260
 coming to fruition that we're seeing more riders

849
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:24,620
 taking rides that they couldn't do on fixed route.

850
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:27,380
 But we also have not seen the downturn,

851
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:30,540
 a proportional downturn, we have seen a downturn

852
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:33,740
 in fixed out ridership, but part of that is due to economics,

853
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:35,740
 part of that is due to our on time performance,

854
00:42:35,740 --> 00:42:37,780
 part of that is due to staffing challenges.

855
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:42,780
 And so the faster DCTA's board can preside

856
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:47,180
 and render a direction for staff to follow

857
00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:50,660
 with regard to what level of service we're gonna provide.

858
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:52,740
 I'm hopeful that it will be a combination of both.

859
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:56,020
 I think the board has been very, not I think, I know,

860
00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:58,380
 the board has been very direct in saying,

861
00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:02,380
 look, we need to let the data tell us what the answer is.

862
00:43:02,380 --> 00:43:05,340
 My concern is we're gonna be looking at a few months of data

863
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:10,340
 in only one time point of a fall semester,

864
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:14,220
 and there's different cycles in every city.

865
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:19,220
 So we also need to listen to each city, each council

866
00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:22,100
 to understand what it is that you're looking for

867
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,060
 out of your transit system.

868
00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:26,460
 So that's my pitch to you to start out with

869
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:29,140
 is that that's where I believe that we're heading.

870
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:31,460
 So let me get to beyond fixed route

871
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:36,460
 and get back to go zone 'cause that's what was asked of us.

872
00:43:36,460 --> 00:43:40,500
 So we launched a service, we launched it in three cities,

873
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,420
 two zones, and the number of vehicles

874
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:48,020
 that are in our contract is that they would have 25 vehicles

875
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:51,100
 on average on a daily basis out in service.

876
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:53,140
 We actually have the expectations

877
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:56,820
 that we'll have 30 vehicles actually in service or available,

878
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:59,740
 but 25 of them would be available every day.

879
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:05,140
 We've had some issues with driver availability.

880
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:08,460
 There's been some discussion about fleet capacity.

881
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:10,580
 Do we have enough or do we not?

882
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:15,460
 I think it's early to tell or to render an opinion on that.

883
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:19,020
 I also think it will depend on how we shape

884
00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:22,220
 our transit system moving forward with or without fixed route

885
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:25,460
 and how much via service do we actually need.

886
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:30,180
 They've done a very good job in incenting drivers

887
00:44:30,180 --> 00:44:33,420
 to work, there's a combination.

888
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:37,900
 So in this new way of delivering service,

889
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:41,060
 you have a schedule just like we all would with a calendar

890
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:43,060
 and drivers have the opportunity to decide

891
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:45,660
 which pieces of work they wanna work,

892
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:49,620
 which is a very flexible way of thinking

893
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,220
 about how you deliver service

894
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:52,980
 and how you actually make income.

895
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:55,580
 I've had personally driven the service,

896
00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:59,140
 I've had many drivers say they really love the new service

897
00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:01,220
 because they can choose their work hours.

898
00:45:01,220 --> 00:45:02,260
 It's not Uber and Lyft,

899
00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:06,020
 they're not having to use their personal vehicle

900
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:07,860
 and so there's a lot of advantages

901
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:10,020
 of how the service is delivered,

902
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:12,660
 but we have had some challenges.

903
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:14,660
 We've had some customer service issues.

904
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:20,740
 Via as a company, we've had conversations with our CEO

905
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:23,380
 with their entire executive team,

906
00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:25,540
 they've been very responsive.

907
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:28,540
 They've had people onsite doing retraining.

908
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:30,260
 We do the same thing with our bus operators,

909
00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:32,060
 we constantly do retraining for them

910
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:33,980
 because they're on different routes.

911
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:35,220
 So every time there's a change,

912
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:38,260
 somebody has something new that they're doing.

913
00:45:38,260 --> 00:45:40,820
 We have road supervisors that look at on-time performance,

914
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:42,380
 they do as well.

915
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:44,100
 So I think they've been very responsive.

916
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,660
 They have not shied away from their responsibilities

917
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:51,540
 in taking corrective action, but it's early.

918
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:53,860
 We're not even two months into the service.

919
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:58,460
 There's been some technology issues, again,

920
00:45:58,460 --> 00:46:01,940
 anytime you're setting something new up especially,

921
00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:04,100
 relies heavily on technology.

922
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,420
 You have to customize, you have to configure.

923
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:09,500
 This gets all the way down to a pin

924
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,420
 where a virtual bus stop is,

925
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:14,780
 if we have over 3000 bus stops,

926
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:17,340
 or not stops, but virtual stops.

927
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:20,460
 Sometimes you have to move that pin

928
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:23,900
 to a more effective place because there may not be,

929
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,860
 there may not be a sidewalk or the speed on that road

930
00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:29,820
 is maybe too high or it might actually be more convenient

931
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:32,980
 if you actually move the pin 500 yards or so.

932
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:34,540
 So we're gonna go through that

933
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:36,580
 over the next several months.

934
00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:40,580
 And it's natural to get customers calling in.

935
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:42,580
 I believe the last count I heard

936
00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:47,580
 was around 150 calls on average.

937
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:52,220
 The call volume, I'm not too concerned about right now

938
00:46:52,220 --> 00:46:55,380
 because I would expect the call volume to go up

939
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:57,940
 because people are learning how to use the system.

940
00:46:57,940 --> 00:47:00,540
 I would also expect the call volume to go up

941
00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:03,580
 because people are calling in to say,

942
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:07,180
 it doesn't make sense where that stop is.

943
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:09,620
 And that will go on for several months

944
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,140
 as we refine the system.

945
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:14,340
 We are getting calls about vehicle availability,

946
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:18,060
 although I think that has been by and large addressed.

947
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:22,340
 You're actually waiting longer for a bus right now

948
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:24,060
 than you are for via.

949
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:26,300
 Part of that is because we've had to reduce some service

950
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:28,980
 or there's construction, things of that nature.

951
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:31,140
 So I think we're making excellent progress.

952
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:34,700
 And so where are we with the next steps?

953
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:37,300
 Well, we're gonna continue to collect data.

954
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:41,020
 We've been able to collect an aggregate

955
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:43,140
 about six weeks of data.

956
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:47,300
 We'll be meeting with the DCT board on October 28th.

957
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:48,980
 We've teamed up with Accenture.

958
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:50,460
 They know us inside and out.

959
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:53,780
 They've gone through a visioning,

960
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:58,780
 a basically an entire overhaul and analysis of DCT

961
00:47:58,780 --> 00:48:01,060
 over the last year and a half.

962
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:06,060
 So they were instrumental in shaping our over,

963
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:09,540
 I think it was 28 different initiatives in the agency.

964
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:11,020
 They looked at all of our fixed routes.

965
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:15,500
 They looked at what we were contemplating with on demand.

966
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:20,500
 They've partnered with an excellent provider

967
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,260
 that does a lot of transit planning.

968
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:27,180
 And we've asked them to take a very unbiased look

969
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:28,980
 at the data, to parse it out.

970
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:33,740
 I've asked them to parse the data literally by hour,

971
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:37,660
 by route, because I think that while there's been

972
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:41,100
 a lot of dialogue with regard to, with this council

973
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:46,100
 and with the mobility committee about 10 passengers per hour

974
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:50,780
 and that being the gold standard.

975
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:53,220
 Well, it's not the only standard.

976
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:57,220
 There's multiple variables that need to be looked at.

977
00:48:57,220 --> 00:49:00,780
 And it's not necessarily for DCTA CEO to say

978
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:03,460
 which variable is important because it's really important

979
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:08,020
 to your communities to make sure that certainly

980
00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:11,140
 from an economics perspective, 10 passengers per hour

981
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:12,100
 is a standard.

982
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:18,300
 But there are probably hours in the day where we're close

983
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,660
 or we're exceeding 10 passengers per hour.

984
00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:22,980
 And there's other parts of the day where we're not.

985
00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:27,980
 So by having multiple tools for us with the flexibility

986
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:32,460
 of on demand and fixed route, we can reshape some

987
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:36,420
 of the service to make it both efficient and effective.

988
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:38,860
 But there's hours of the day where some of the routes

989
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:39,860
 will make a lot of sense.

990
00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:42,740
 Route seven clearly meets the gold standard

991
00:49:42,740 --> 00:49:44,860
 of 10 passengers per hour.

992
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:48,940
 We have others that are probably at six or seven,

993
00:49:48,940 --> 00:49:50,700
 but the routes are too long.

994
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:53,980
 So if you go to any transit system in America,

995
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:58,180
 if you're in downtown Manhattan and you get onto the subway,

996
00:49:58,180 --> 00:49:59,740
 it's gonna be packed.

997
00:49:59,740 --> 00:50:01,980
 But as you get further out from the city,

998
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:04,220
 you have fewer people on that subway.

999
00:50:04,220 --> 00:50:07,020
 So the tentacles or the links at the end of some

1000
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:09,100
 of our routes may be too long.

1001
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:12,980
 They may need to be modified because now we have not only

1002
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:14,620
 first and last mile, which you hear a lot

1003
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:17,060
 of transit agencies talking about.

1004
00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:20,420
 We have every mile covered predominantly.

1005
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:24,180
 So I think there's some discussions that we can have

1006
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:28,060
 with VA, with Accenture, with our own employees

1007
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:31,540
 to talk about how we could redefine some of the routes

1008
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:33,980
 to make them more effective in the city of Denton.

1009
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:36,580
 So that's my hope over the next several months

1010
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:39,100
 is as we parse through the data,

1011
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:43,340
 as the board looks at the DCTA board looks at the data,

1012
00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:46,660
 that we're looking at it literally by time slice, by route.

1013
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:51,660
 There's clearly routes, as you've been told,

1014
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:54,020
 that don't meet that standard.

1015
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:56,500
 I recognize it don't meet the standard.

1016
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,260
 We were providing on demand before we got

1017
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:02,060
 into the contract with VA in areas.

1018
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:04,180
 And one strategy is to grow it slowly.

1019
00:51:04,180 --> 00:51:07,220
 The other one is to blanket the entire city.

1020
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:10,620
 And I don't know that one is right or one is wrong.

1021
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:12,260
 This is just a different approach.

1022
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:15,740
 I think that where we are now, six weeks into it,

1023
00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:20,660
 we have this incredible asset now that's delivering service,

1024
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:22,340
 but it's not the only asset we have.

1025
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:24,340
 We have fixed route and we have on demand.

1026
00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:26,620
 The question now is how do we shape that

1027
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:31,220
 to build a multifaceted mobility strategy

1028
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:33,500
 that enhances your community,

1029
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,060
 your stakeholder community in many ways.

1030
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:39,740
 And it's not just fixed route, it's not just buses.

1031
00:51:39,740 --> 00:51:42,260
 We have van pools, we have the trails.

1032
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:48,900
 We need to continue to work together on sidewalks,

1033
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:50,900
 on making sure that we're looking at things

1034
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:53,660
 like mobility hubs, where we can actually have

1035
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:57,340
 more effective fixed route engagement with on demand.

1036
00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,260
 So I've been asked, are you an advocate for VA,

1037
00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:02,700
 are you an advocate for fixed route?

1038
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,940
 I will tell you, I'm an advocate for enhanced mobility.

1039
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:07,940
 And when you look at thriving communities,

1040
00:52:07,940 --> 00:52:12,820
 the dynamic communities, the ones that are able to attract

1041
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:15,580
 new and innovative companies,

1042
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:19,820
 they're looking for transit solutions.

1043
00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:23,020
 And I believe that the tools that we have available to us

1044
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:26,940
 give us a better opportunity more than ever before

1045
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:29,060
 to help shape this community and add value

1046
00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:31,300
 back to your stakeholders that entrust

1047
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:33,700
 your half-cent sales tax to DCTA.

1048
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:35,620
 And I'm very excited to continue to work with you

1049
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:39,420
 as we look forward and leverage both our on-demand

1050
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:41,380
 and our fixed route system.

1051
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:44,260
 So I may have one more, nope, that's it.

1052
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:45,900
 So those are the next steps.

1053
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:48,740
 We're gonna look at our data,

1054
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:52,300
 parse it out literally by hour of service

1055
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,180
 so we can look at where the majority

1056
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:59,180
 of the ridership is coming from on the routes.

1057
00:52:59,180 --> 00:53:04,700
 I think that'll help us understand a little bit

1058
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,540
 or provide more clarity to the board.

1059
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:10,580
 And I don't think there's one board member

1060
00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:14,460
 that has ultimately made up their mind one way or the other

1061
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:16,220
 about whether we're keeping fixed route

1062
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:17,620
 or we're modifying fixed route.

1063
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:21,220
 I think the entire board is committed to look at the data,

1064
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:23,380
 but we don't have that much data to look at yet.

1065
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:26,260
 So what we're going to do for our board

1066
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:28,060
 is we're collecting the data,

1067
00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:30,380
 Accenture's working on it with our team.

1068
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:33,180
 We're parsing the data out for fixed route and on-demand.

1069
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:35,740
 On-demand data is a lot more,

1070
00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:40,140
 it's easier to get to because a lot of it's automated.

1071
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:44,380
 Fixed route, we're having to sift through the data,

1072
00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:45,940
 parse it out by hour,

1073
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:50,340
 and then build some dynamic ways for us to look at that.

1074
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:53,460
 And we will try to make some determination

1075
00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:58,060
 and give our board of directors some recommendations

1076
00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:00,580
 about what we might want to do with the service.

1077
00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:02,220
 But I think our entire board is interested

1078
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:04,620
 in looking at the data on the 28th.

1079
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:07,660
 We will likely, between the 28th,

1080
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:10,820
 the board decided to combine

1081
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:12,820
 the November and December board meetings.

1082
00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:16,900
 So our next board meeting would be December 2nd.

1083
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:18,420
 So we'll look at all the data

1084
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:21,180
 from that's been collected until that time.

1085
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:25,060
 We will likely send out a board update

1086
00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:27,740
 with where, assuming on the 28th,

1087
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:30,100
 it'll be the first time that everybody's getting

1088
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,020
 to see the data and how it's actually shaped.

1089
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:34,700
 I haven't seen it myself, Accenture's still working on it.

1090
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:36,100
 But on the 28th, we'll look at it.

1091
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,140
 It'll give the board an opportunity to provide feedback

1092
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:42,180
 on what else they might want to look at.

1093
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:44,220
 That will give us some time in November.

1094
00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:47,460
 We will likely give some updates during November,

1095
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:50,100
 not at a board meeting, but just sending out

1096
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,340
 in our weekly reports and updates to the board.

1097
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:56,100
 So they have as much information up to date as possible.

1098
00:54:56,100 --> 00:55:00,300
 But bear in mind, at the December 2nd board meeting,

1099
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,700
 we'll likely have about two and a half months

1100
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,300
 of data to look at.

1101
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:08,780
 So my expectation is that it'll be fairly clear

1102
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:10,300
 that there's some fixed routes,

1103
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,420
 certainly that are not doing what we need to do.

1104
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:16,780
 I think there'll be dialogue about what do we do next.

1105
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:18,860
 So that's my briefing today,

1106
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:21,420
 and happy to answer any questions that you may have.

1107
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:26,100
 - I don't know if there's that much interest in this topic,

1108
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,620
 but we'll see if there's a question or two.

1109
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:29,460
 Go ahead.

1110
00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:30,860
 - Oh, you know I've got questions.

1111
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:33,780
 And I look forward to having some more

1112
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:37,100
 in-depth conversations as well as I prepared

1113
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,860
 for this October 28th meeting.

1114
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:42,580
 I do want to go back to some of the data you showed us

1115
00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:45,220
 on GoZone ridership and Connect ridership.

1116
00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:50,220
 I obviously was watching the September last month's meeting

1117
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:53,460
 and there was some very preliminary but very detailed data.

1118
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:58,700
 So the GoZone numbers that you're showing us,

1119
00:55:58,700 --> 00:55:59,860
 is that system-wide?

1120
00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:02,060
 Is that in the Denton GoZone?

1121
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:02,900
 - It's system-wide.

1122
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:03,720
 - That is system-wide.

1123
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,500
 - We can break it out by city,

1124
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:07,900
 and we will likely be doing that

1125
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:09,340
 so that we can get very specific

1126
00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:11,860
 about where the service is coming from.

1127
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:15,420
 - Great, and then same question about the Connect ridership.

1128
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:16,860
 Is that Louisville and Denton?

1129
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:18,220
 Is it just Denton Connect?

1130
00:56:18,220 --> 00:56:20,180
 - It's total, but we have it by route,

1131
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:23,860
 which infers that we can do it by city as well.

1132
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:25,580
 - Okay, so that's system-wide.

1133
00:56:25,580 --> 00:56:30,060
 And then, and that's monthly ridership?

1134
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:32,500
 Are those numbers that we're seeing?

1135
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:34,140
 - In this case, it's not monthly

1136
00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:35,940
 because we've only had five weeks of data.

1137
00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:38,820
 So it's comparison data literally during the time

1138
00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:43,540
 from September 7th to October, it's basically a month.

1139
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:45,940
 - I mean, the Connect ridership that this--

1140
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:48,740
 - The Connect ridership, we have monthly ridership.

1141
00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:51,180
 But we can also break that down again by route,

1142
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:52,100
 and that's what we'll do.

1143
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:53,700
 - Okay, cool.

1144
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:56,980
 So to your point about construction,

1145
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:59,780
 obviously this is an ongoing issue.

1146
00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:04,080
 It's not gonna be over anytime soon, as we've just heard.

1147
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,300
 What do you think the city could be doing

1148
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:13,300
 to help DCTA be more agile

1149
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:17,220
 in adjusting to construction?

1150
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:18,580
 - Thank you for that question.

1151
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:21,740
 It's been challenging just to know

1152
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:24,740
 when a particular project is going to happen.

1153
00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:29,700
 If we know in advance we can properly plan

1154
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:31,540
 around some of those things.

1155
00:57:31,540 --> 00:57:36,540
 Unfortunately, once a fixed route is designed,

1156
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:40,580
 we go through the process of creating marketing material,

1157
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:44,340
 getting it out digitally now, which is much easier,

1158
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:47,500
 but people know where a particular stop is.

1159
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:50,120
 So they will walk to that particular site.

1160
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:55,120
 When there's construction, we may have to move the service

1161
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,380
 as much as a quarter of a mile in some cases

1162
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:01,980
 onto a thoroughfare that we can actually traverse.

1163
00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:05,620
 So we literally have to bag or put notices

1164
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:09,420
 on those blades until such time

1165
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:11,940
 that we can get back onto that street.

1166
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:14,260
 It's not an easy solution.

1167
00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:18,620
 The best solution that we have found is more coordination

1168
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:20,580
 and notice, advance notice,

1169
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:23,420
 of when streets are going to be closed.

1170
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:26,900
 Typically what happens, and this isn't always the case,

1171
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:30,540
 but we will find out when the road is actually closed,

1172
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:32,140
 and we have operators trying to figure out

1173
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:33,260
 how they're gonna get down the road,

1174
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:37,260
 and it's incredibly difficult, if not impossible,

1175
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:38,780
 to keep on time performance.

1176
00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:41,340
 So I would say that's probably the biggest opportunity

1177
00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:43,900
 is to make sure that there's better communication

1178
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:44,860
 and road closures.

1179
00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:48,180
 We used to have somebody from DCTA that would come

1180
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:53,180
 and sit in some of the planning discussions with staff.

1181
00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:58,540
 I think we just need to revisit that

1182
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:00,180
 and figure out how to make sure

1183
00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:03,580
 that we're notified before.

1184
00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:06,420
 Even if there's 72 hours of notification

1185
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:09,060
 that at least allows us to communicate.

1186
00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:11,180
 We do have different ways to communicate

1187
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:15,020
 with our passengers as well when there's closures,

1188
00:59:15,020 --> 00:59:17,740
 but the disruption can be fairly significant

1189
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:19,740
 in the last while, obviously,

1190
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:22,260
 when you're closing a large section of a road.

1191
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:25,020
 - So in those situations where you do receive

1192
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:29,340
 advance notice that a road is going to be closed,

1193
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:31,340
 how does that communication usually come?

1194
00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:32,500
 Is it like an email?

1195
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:34,700
 Are you looking at the road closure report

1196
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:36,500
 in our staff reports?

1197
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:38,820
 How do you get that information?

1198
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:41,860
 - From various sources, it hasn't been consistent,

1199
00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:44,820
 but we need to find somebody--

1200
00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:45,940
 - We need to make a system.

1201
00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:46,780
 - Pardon me?

1202
00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:47,900
 - Oh, I was gonna say we need to develop a system.

1203
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:51,020
 - We need to develop a system where we're informed.

1204
00:59:51,020 --> 00:59:56,020
 Trying to pay attention to every email or reports,

1205
00:59:59,380 --> 01:00:01,660
 it can be tedious and we can certainly miss things.

1206
01:00:01,660 --> 01:00:06,500
 And I'm not pointing a finger at anybody.

1207
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,940
 DCTA needs to be engaged in those discussions as well.

1208
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:13,260
 I don't see that as the city's responsibility to notify us.

1209
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:15,820
 It just takes collaboration 'cause we have to work together

1210
01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:18,980
 to make sure that we're delivering that service.

1211
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:23,980
 Emails, weekly reports, anything that can help us understand

1212
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:26,580
 when a road closure is going to happen would be beneficial.

1213
01:00:26,580 --> 01:00:30,180
 - Yeah, yeah, I think what I'm hearing is though

1214
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:34,060
 that we need to have like a standardized way

1215
01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:37,700
 of communicating that's going to always be the same

1216
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,580
 and doesn't require digging for information.

1217
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:42,980
 - And then once we know when a road is closing,

1218
01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:45,820
 even if it's 72 hours before,

1219
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:49,260
 our staff will usually work with a road supervisor

1220
01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:53,300
 that knows the area, our safety manager,

1221
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:57,620
 and ensure that we find a safe route

1222
01:00:57,620 --> 01:01:01,020
 that we can maneuver across.

1223
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:06,020
 Then we will reshape a map that'll improve

1224
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:08,700
 at least the understanding of where the route's

1225
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:11,220
 going to be picking up and dropping people off.

1226
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:13,820
 And then we have various ways to communicate

1227
01:01:13,820 --> 01:01:18,820
 through social media, through most of our regular riders

1228
01:01:19,740 --> 01:01:24,620
 sign up for notices, so we push out notices to folks

1229
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:25,460
 so they'll know.

1230
01:01:25,460 --> 01:01:26,620
 - I signed up for those briefly

1231
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:29,380
 and then I just got flooded with so many emails

1232
01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:30,700
 that I was like, okay, oh my gosh.

1233
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:32,180
 - Too many, too many notices.

1234
01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:34,980
 - Okay, great.

1235
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:38,100
 So that's something that I will keep in mind for sure.

1236
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:39,980
 Can you tell me a little bit more about,

1237
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:43,500
 I mean, obviously when it comes to collecting

1238
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:46,540
 the GoZone data that's, it's in the app,

1239
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:48,180
 it's very easy to gather.

1240
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:51,780
 How is fixed route data collected?

1241
01:01:51,780 --> 01:01:55,900
 I mean, are drivers clicking when somebody steps on the bus?

1242
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:59,380
 - So there's the good and the bad and the ugly of technology.

1243
01:01:59,380 --> 01:02:01,060
 When you go down the technology road,

1244
01:02:01,060 --> 01:02:02,540
 most transit authorities have

1245
01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:04,820
 what they call smart fare boxes.

1246
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:08,140
 There's a few providers of those.

1247
01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:12,460
 They're a fare collection device that has

1248
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:15,060
 some electronics on it and some buttons that you can push.

1249
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:20,060
 And so the operators, the most remedial way or manual way

1250
01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:22,300
 is to have what's called a tally sheet,

1251
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:24,980
 which is a clipboard with a piece of paper

1252
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:29,180
 that identifies every stop

1253
01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:31,060
 where somebody's gonna be picked up.

1254
01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:32,100
 The most reliable way,

1255
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,820
 so you don't have to worry about technologies,

1256
01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:35,220
 as long as you have a pencil or a pen,

1257
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:36,780
 you can say, okay, I picked up three people

1258
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:38,180
 or picked up four people.

1259
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:42,060
 So those data sheets, those manual data sheets,

1260
01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:47,060
 they can get collected and somebody at NTMC

1261
01:02:47,060 --> 01:02:49,700
 take those, depending on penmanship,

1262
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,220
 can be challenging to make sure you got the right people,

1263
01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:56,340
 but you can also key in the wrong number of people as well.

1264
01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:58,220
 So it's not that it's, I mean, obviously,

1265
01:02:58,220 --> 01:02:59,340
 whether you're using technology,

1266
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:01,340
 there's still humans involved.

1267
01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:04,020
 But it's a very manual process to collect

1268
01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:07,020
 what's called tally sheets that show

1269
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:09,540
 when people were getting picked up.

1270
01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:12,340
 You then take that data, you enter it into a spreadsheet

1271
01:03:12,340 --> 01:03:15,540
 by route, then you're able to look at it,

1272
01:03:15,540 --> 01:03:17,660
 not only by route, but each one of those sheets

1273
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:20,500
 will tell you which run it was actually on,

1274
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:21,940
 so you know the time of day.

1275
01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:23,740
 So it's a very manual process.

1276
01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:29,060
 With a smart fare box, which are very expensive,

1277
01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:33,780
 and you could probably talk to many CFOs around the country

1278
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:35,820
 and there's a love-hate relationship with them

1279
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:37,300
 because they're expensive,

1280
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:40,340
 they take a lot of maintenance,

1281
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:43,140
 but they do help you with data collection.

1282
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:45,180
 So today we do that manually.

1283
01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:50,500
 - Okay, so DCTA does not have smart fare boxes.

1284
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:53,540
 - We do not have smart fare boxes.

1285
01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:56,940
 - So fixed route drivers are collecting data

1286
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:58,540
 manually with pencil and paper.

1287
01:03:58,540 --> 01:04:01,500
 - Correct, and then we can validate that

1288
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:02,860
 and typically what Transit does,

1289
01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:05,460
 even with, so there's several different ways.

1290
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:09,660
 There's a fare box, there's also automatic passenger counters

1291
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:12,060
 that you can install in the doorways.

1292
01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:13,620
 Those have been validated for years.

1293
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:16,460
 They're accepted by the federal government

1294
01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:19,260
 as a way to collect ridership,

1295
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:20,660
 but you have to do validation

1296
01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:22,420
 and typically that's a manual validation

1297
01:04:22,420 --> 01:04:24,420
 where you have somebody ride

1298
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:27,700
 and they do statistical sampling and they validate that

1299
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:32,700
 or compare that to both manual and automated ways.

1300
01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:36,740
 So there's camera systems, there's infrared,

1301
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:41,740
 there's a lot of different ways to collect passenger data,

1302
01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:46,580
 but it costs money and it's an investment.

1303
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:48,820
 And so it's something that we have to look at.

1304
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:52,020
 With UNT, because there's so much ridership

1305
01:04:52,020 --> 01:04:54,660
 and they do subsidize a lot of the service,

1306
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:58,940
 I would venture a guess if you asked UNT,

1307
01:04:58,940 --> 01:05:00,860
 they'd love to know the exact ridership,

1308
01:05:00,860 --> 01:05:03,740
 but that's not as important to them

1309
01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:05,740
 as making sure that the students are getting picked up

1310
01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:07,260
 and dropped off where they need to.

1311
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:08,820
 So they're not necessarily,

1312
01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:11,660
 or they haven't been interested in subsidizing,

1313
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:16,020
 putting technology on the vehicles to capture that.

1314
01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:18,620
 Because we provide service to UNT,

1315
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:19,860
 we also rotate our fleet.

1316
01:05:19,860 --> 01:05:22,980
 So if we're gonna do something for connect service

1317
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:24,500
 and we're rotating our fleet,

1318
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,420
 we need to make sure that we have technology

1319
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:29,220
 on all vehicles, whether they're on UNT

1320
01:05:29,220 --> 01:05:31,820
 or they're in the connect service,

1321
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:33,260
 'cause they are considered public routes,

1322
01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:35,540
 even though they're subsidized by the university.

1323
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:40,640
 - For fixed route riders and A-train riders,

1324
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,180
 how many of those folks would you say use the GoPass app

1325
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:46,780
 to purchase their tickets?

1326
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:52,340
 - Ask your question again for A-train and for fixed route.

1327
01:05:52,340 --> 01:05:56,020
 - Yeah, so I mean, I'm not a regular user

1328
01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:59,340
 because neither fixed routes nor the GoZone

1329
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:01,500
 serve the area where I live.

1330
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:05,220
 But when I do use it, I use the app.

1331
01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:06,580
 - Correct.

1332
01:06:06,580 --> 01:06:08,620
 - Is that pretty common?

1333
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:13,620
 - So I would say it's very popular on the A-train service.

1334
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:20,460
 Probably larger majority would be using the GoPass app.

1335
01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:24,140
 They can buy that through Dark Tree Metro or DCTA,

1336
01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:25,900
 depending on where they're coming from.

1337
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:31,060
 That GoPass is actually used as a transfer as well.

1338
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,060
 So the majority of the people that are coming to

1339
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,660
 or coming from, going to,

1340
01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:39,660
 that are connecting to the A-train

1341
01:06:39,660 --> 01:06:42,180
 have a tendency to be using the app.

1342
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:43,540
 I don't know the--

1343
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:44,780
 - I've used it for that as well.

1344
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:46,500
 - Yeah, I don't know the breakdown.

1345
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:51,500
 We can certainly follow up on how many,

1346
01:06:52,820 --> 01:06:56,300
 what percentage that is on fixed route.

1347
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:57,580
 I know that can be challenging

1348
01:06:57,580 --> 01:06:59,500
 because when you buy a day pass,

1349
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:03,140
 transfers are included in that

1350
01:07:03,140 --> 01:07:04,380
 and we don't have an electronic,

1351
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:06,180
 today we don't have an electronic method

1352
01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:08,500
 to track when that transfer happens

1353
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:10,460
 or what bus they're getting onto.

1354
01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:14,380
 So I would, my guess is that if our CFO is listening,

1355
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:15,580
 she's probably biting her nails saying,

1356
01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:16,980
 "Please don't say you can get that data."

1357
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:18,580
 'Cause I don't know that we have

1358
01:07:18,580 --> 01:07:20,180
 that data readily available.

1359
01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:21,740
 - Okay.

1360
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:24,060
 - We do have a project on our books

1361
01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:28,300
 to look at automated fare payment.

1362
01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:30,780
 A lot before we make that decision,

1363
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:32,140
 I think it's important to understand

1364
01:07:32,140 --> 01:07:37,140
 what our multimodal approach is going to be.

1365
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:39,380
 Certainly we have a lot more rich data

1366
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:41,740
 because you're using an app on via.

1367
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:45,460
 We do have an interest in automating

1368
01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:48,340
 the fare collection, passenger counting,

1369
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:51,380
 and we can do that by installing some technology

1370
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:52,220
 on the buses.

1371
01:07:52,220 --> 01:07:54,380
 We just need to kind of understand

1372
01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:56,980
 what that looks like, okay?

1373
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:58,580
 - Okay, yeah, that's very helpful.

1374
01:07:58,580 --> 01:07:59,420
 Thank you.

1375
01:07:59,420 --> 01:08:01,500
 That's exactly the information I was looking for.

1376
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:02,340
 - You're welcome.

1377
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:05,980
 - Council Member Wood. - Thank you.

1378
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:09,820
 Yeah, I have a, I'm gonna go back to the GoZone update

1379
01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:12,500
 and I'll spend a little bit more time

1380
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:15,500
 talking about the startup issues.

1381
01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:21,300
 Just some clarifications on driver vehicle availability.

1382
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:26,660
 Increase fleet capacity.

1383
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:29,860
 Talk to me a little bit more about

1384
01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:35,780
 the challenges of increasing the fleet capacity.

1385
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:37,820
 You know what, I wanna step back.

1386
01:08:37,820 --> 01:08:42,740
 I do want to step back on the length of time for the data.

1387
01:08:42,740 --> 01:08:44,100
 And what's really interesting

1388
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:47,140
 is that you noted something about us needing

1389
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:51,340
 at least about six months to get a good feel

1390
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:54,020
 for where we're going with this.

1391
01:08:54,020 --> 01:08:57,780
 And I do recognize that the holidays are coming up.

1392
01:08:57,780 --> 01:09:02,420
 Students are gonna be doing whatever it is that they do.

1393
01:09:02,420 --> 01:09:04,940
 People are gonna be going out of town,

1394
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:07,300
 visiting family members and all of that.

1395
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:09,380
 So I appreciate you saying that.

1396
01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:13,500
 I think that when we were here

1397
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:18,500
 and making a decision to ask for at least a six-month study,

1398
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:25,820
 that was one of the reasons why.

1399
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:28,820
 So I appreciate you confirming that for us

1400
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:31,260
 that we really need some time.

1401
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:35,540
 Right now, it's about six weeks

1402
01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:38,220
 and it just sounds like we still need a little bit more time

1403
01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:39,780
 to kind of figure out what we're doing.

1404
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:44,780
 So I just wanna put that out there for the sake

1405
01:09:44,780 --> 01:09:47,340
 of acknowledging that.

1406
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:48,900
 - Well, let me, if you don't mind,

1407
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:52,780
 I'd like to clarify that the,

1408
01:09:52,780 --> 01:09:57,820
 transit recognizes that when you're making

1409
01:09:57,820 --> 01:10:02,220
 significant changes that human behavior travel patterns

1410
01:10:02,220 --> 01:10:06,140
 take about six months to change.

1411
01:10:06,140 --> 01:10:09,500
 Look, we all go on diet programs first of the year.

1412
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:11,580
 We're all saying we're gonna do something.

1413
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:16,020
 We all know that it takes consistent reinforcement

1414
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:18,060
 and confidence in what we're doing.

1415
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:21,420
 And that can wane if you don't have a good experience.

1416
01:10:21,420 --> 01:10:24,100
 It doesn't mean that somebody may not try it again.

1417
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:27,500
 And so I will say that that's kind of the rule of thumb

1418
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:28,540
 in transit.

1419
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:32,660
 The data is a different subject, right?

1420
01:10:32,660 --> 01:10:36,180
 The data, if we know, as an example,

1421
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:38,740
 that even before VIA, we had some routes

1422
01:10:38,740 --> 01:10:40,020
 that either needed to be changed

1423
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:42,100
 or they're just not carrying enough people.

1424
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,380
 It's our responsibility as a transit agency

1425
01:10:44,380 --> 01:10:46,340
 to look at the lower performing routes.

1426
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:49,300
 It's usually in every, and we have it as well.

1427
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:53,220
 You look at the 10% lowest performing routes,

1428
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:54,940
 you bring it back to your board and we say,

1429
01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:56,100
 look, these are not performing.

1430
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:58,340
 They're not meeting the,

1431
01:10:58,340 --> 01:11:00,140
 it's not just financial indicators.

1432
01:11:00,140 --> 01:11:02,540
 There's a lot of other indicators that we look at.

1433
01:11:02,540 --> 01:11:04,580
 Some of them are social, some of them are,

1434
01:11:04,580 --> 01:11:07,140
 we wanna make sure that we're meeting the goals

1435
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:09,780
 that are set forth for the transit agency's

1436
01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:11,580
 performance responsibility.

1437
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:13,180
 And if they don't meet them,

1438
01:11:13,180 --> 01:11:17,180
 then typically what happens is you come back to your board

1439
01:11:17,180 --> 01:11:19,380
 and say, we're recommending, fill in the blank.

1440
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:21,100
 It could be, we're recommending modifying it.

1441
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:24,100
 We're recommending, ultimately,

1442
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,100
 you could recommend elimination of a route.

1443
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:27,580
 But before you eliminate a route,

1444
01:11:27,580 --> 01:11:28,940
 you make other recommendations

1445
01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:31,180
 about how you might be able to increase

1446
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:32,740
 the performance of the route.

1447
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:36,820
 So those are, there's a nuance and a subtlety there

1448
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:38,700
 that I think are important to understand.

1449
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:41,660
 And so I think what I've heard

1450
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:43,340
 from some of our board members

1451
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:47,040
 is we know what the historical data has been.

1452
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,700
 We know what it's looking like

1453
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:55,220
 over likely the first two and a half, three months.

1454
01:11:55,220 --> 01:11:58,140
 And if that data doesn't change,

1455
01:11:58,140 --> 01:11:59,300
 then what do we do next?

1456
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:02,060
 And I think that's the openness that our board has

1457
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:04,500
 is to what do we do next?

1458
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:06,660
 Do we modify the route?

1459
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:08,420
 Or do we eliminate the route?

1460
01:12:08,420 --> 01:12:09,740
 Or do we leave the route as is

1461
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:10,980
 because it's doing a good job?

1462
01:12:10,980 --> 01:12:11,820
 So I just wanna make sure

1463
01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:13,940
 that I was clear in my message to you.

1464
01:12:13,940 --> 01:12:18,500
 - So when you are taking a look at the data,

1465
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:22,260
 the next question is how often is that done?

1466
01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:25,620
 I mean, is this gonna be twice a year or once a year

1467
01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:30,620
 or every six weeks that you wanna take a look at that data?

1468
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:36,140
 And I was just noting, prior to this,

1469
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:39,460
 is that that's what stood out to me,

1470
01:12:39,460 --> 01:12:43,700
 is that you need more time to address

1471
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:47,800
 whatever issue it is that you're starting to recognize.

1472
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,100
 So like you noted, that it takes time

1473
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:53,060
 to get your exercise program

1474
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:55,900
 where you can start seeing results.

1475
01:12:55,900 --> 01:13:02,320
 But in this particular case, not to rehash anything,

1476
01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:06,580
 but it was just an opportunity for us to go through

1477
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:09,440
 certain things with this board.

1478
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:13,700
 We were concerned about the fall semester, if nothing else,

1479
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:17,960
 what happens here in this city as a college town,

1480
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,100
 as opposed to those other cities,

1481
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:22,060
 those are not college towns.

1482
01:13:22,060 --> 01:13:25,260
 So there's a lot of dynamics that are different here

1483
01:13:25,260 --> 01:13:27,500
 than anywhere else.

1484
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:32,460
 And the idea of extending that time.

1485
01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:34,700
 So the question now becomes,

1486
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:39,700
 when is the next time you're going to look at the data?

1487
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:42,040
 Is it every six months process?

1488
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,220
 Is it once a year?

1489
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:44,060
 - Thank you for your question.

1490
01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:46,660
 - How should we expect to do that?

1491
01:13:46,660 --> 01:13:51,660
 - We provide monthly ridership reports to the board.

1492
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:55,460
 So they're seeing every month how ridership is trending.

1493
01:13:58,940 --> 01:14:02,740
 Certainly we have board members that are asking

1494
01:14:02,740 --> 01:14:05,780
 for more real-time information.

1495
01:14:05,780 --> 01:14:07,820
 So we have been producing reports

1496
01:14:07,820 --> 01:14:09,620
 the best of our ability every week.

1497
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:14,680
 If we can on via, we've been doing it more often than that

1498
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,300
 because the data is more available.

1499
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:20,580
 Now, we also have to be appreciative of staff time

1500
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:23,860
 because if they're constantly providing

1501
01:14:23,860 --> 01:14:27,540
 real-time information, they're not able to necessarily

1502
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:30,740
 do their regular job and prepare the board

1503
01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:32,100
 'cause we have, just like you do,

1504
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,500
 a monthly cycle, weekly cycles.

1505
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:38,260
 So I wanna be respectful of people's time

1506
01:14:38,260 --> 01:14:42,820
 and make sure that right now it's very important

1507
01:14:42,820 --> 01:14:45,900
 that we're giving as much information as we can.

1508
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:51,820
 I highly doubt that the board would be making decisions

1509
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:53,420
 on a daily or weekly basis.

1510
01:14:53,420 --> 01:14:56,420
 They're gonna look at hopefully trends.

1511
01:14:56,420 --> 01:15:01,100
 And what makes it challenging for a,

1512
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:03,420
 specifically for the city of Denton,

1513
01:15:03,420 --> 01:15:06,220
 is you have two major universities

1514
01:15:06,220 --> 01:15:08,500
 that create a tremendous amount of density

1515
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:11,840
 in the fall and in the spring.

1516
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:16,060
 In the summer, they still have people on campus

1517
01:15:16,060 --> 01:15:18,140
 that are taking summer classes

1518
01:15:18,140 --> 01:15:19,860
 and they want us to continue to provide service.

1519
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:22,360
 And by the way, those people don't necessarily live

1520
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,740
 just on campus, they live throughout your communities.

1521
01:15:25,740 --> 01:15:30,740
 So we have this double hump when you look at ridership.

1522
01:15:30,740 --> 01:15:35,980
 You have this significant hump during the spring

1523
01:15:35,980 --> 01:15:38,220
 and the fall semesters, and then it's kind of

1524
01:15:38,220 --> 01:15:41,940
 a bathtub effect in the summertime.

1525
01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:46,140
 So I really do appreciate the board,

1526
01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:49,260
 all board members of DCTA saying,

1527
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:51,660
 look, we can't make a decision over two weeks.

1528
01:15:51,660 --> 01:15:56,660
 We can likely make a decision during a full fall semester

1529
01:15:56,660 --> 01:16:00,660
 because that really shows, those three months show

1530
01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:03,600
 the kind of the maximum pressure, if you would,

1531
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,440
 on the system.

1532
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:10,240
 The nuance there is, yes, I agree with that.

1533
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,760
 But this is also the first time

1534
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,300
 that we're launching a new service.

1535
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:16,020
 And human behavior, just getting used

1536
01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:17,780
 to the different systems and,

1537
01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:19,900
 well, I can use fixed route for this.

1538
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:21,180
 But after a certain period of time,

1539
01:16:21,180 --> 01:16:24,300
 it's gonna be a lot more beneficial to me to use on demand.

1540
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:27,100
 And that's the beauty of what most transit authorities

1541
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:30,860
 are trying to accomplish is a multimodal solution

1542
01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:32,000
 for the city.

1543
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,740
 I think this council intuitively, in past sessions,

1544
01:16:35,740 --> 01:16:40,300
 had said, well, I think it was you Councilman Meltzer

1545
01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:42,660
 that said that there's probably gonna be

1546
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:46,220
 a self-selection process that happens

1547
01:16:46,220 --> 01:16:48,220
 depending on the type of ride that you need.

1548
01:16:48,220 --> 01:16:50,820
 It's not necessarily that, oh, I'm all VR,

1549
01:16:50,820 --> 01:16:53,380
 I'm all fixed route, it's I have different modes

1550
01:16:53,380 --> 01:16:55,500
 of transit that I've never had available to me.

1551
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:57,660
 And that's exciting, it's really exciting.

1552
01:16:57,660 --> 01:17:00,540
 So I hope I answered your question.

1553
01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:02,500
 - You did, you did, thank you very much.

1554
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:06,500
 You know, I'm looking forward to all of those updates.

1555
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:12,660
 Driver availability, vehicle availability.

1556
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:20,260
 There are hubs where the drivers leave the vehicles.

1557
01:17:20,260 --> 01:17:21,560
 - Yes.

1558
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:25,100
 - And so each city, how many hubs are in Denver?

1559
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,940
 - Well, so there's two major hubs.

1560
01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:32,980
 There's one in the Louisville,

1561
01:17:32,980 --> 01:17:34,860
 one of our stations at Hebron,

1562
01:17:34,860 --> 01:17:36,540
 and then Med Park is the other hub.

1563
01:17:36,540 --> 01:17:41,040
 So that's where the vehicles sleep at night.

1564
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:47,380
 When a driver signs up for a piece of work,

1565
01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:49,500
 they'll go to that station,

1566
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:51,500
 they'll unlock the vehicle.

1567
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:53,460
 It's a pretty cool technology that you use your phone

1568
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:54,500
 and they'll unlock the vehicle.

1569
01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:55,940
 - Okay.

1570
01:17:55,940 --> 01:17:57,180
 - Well, that's been part of the problem

1571
01:17:57,180 --> 01:17:58,780
 is that unlock feature.

1572
01:17:58,780 --> 01:18:00,500
 Again, brand new vehicles are getting them in here,

1573
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:02,900
 they're hurrying up, they're trying to get it all working,

1574
01:18:02,900 --> 01:18:03,940
 and they get them all installed.

1575
01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:05,740
 And when you're doing that very quickly,

1576
01:18:05,740 --> 01:18:07,160
 and some of them may or may not work

1577
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,620
 exactly the way you want.

1578
01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:11,980
 So some operators, it's not necessarily

1579
01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:14,820
 that we don't have enough drivers,

1580
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:16,600
 it's just that in some cases the drivers

1581
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,980
 couldn't get in to the vehicle due to mechanical issues.

1582
01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:22,780
 So they resolve those pretty quick.

1583
01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:26,780
 So driver availability, vehicle availability,

1584
01:18:26,780 --> 01:18:28,520
 both of those are impacted by,

1585
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,180
 it can be a human error, it can be a mechanical error.

1586
01:18:33,180 --> 01:18:36,500
 We have the same thing every morning at our bus depot.

1587
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:37,380
 Did somebody show up?

1588
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:40,500
 No, oh, we need to get somebody from our extra board.

1589
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:41,820
 Hey, I tried to start the vehicle

1590
01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:45,940
 and tried to cycle the wheelchair left and it didn't work.

1591
01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:48,500
 Okay, well, I need to assign you another bus.

1592
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:52,780
 So it's not dissimilar with the mechanical issues,

1593
01:18:52,780 --> 01:18:54,460
 with driver availability issues.

1594
01:18:54,460 --> 01:18:57,860
 And I think that's some of what's been reported,

1595
01:18:57,860 --> 01:18:59,780
 but I wanna make sure that there's context

1596
01:18:59,780 --> 01:19:03,900
 because we have that with rail, with bus, with via.

1597
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:04,980
 - Okay. - Okay.

1598
01:19:04,980 --> 01:19:09,020
 - Driver incentives, pay increases,

1599
01:19:09,020 --> 01:19:11,420
 have we, how does that, how is that gonna work?

1600
01:19:11,420 --> 01:19:13,020
 Oh, here's a question.

1601
01:19:13,020 --> 01:19:16,740
 Are drivers allowed to take tips?

1602
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:21,180
 - I don't, I don't believe so.

1603
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:23,700
 - Okay.

1604
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:25,140
 - I'll have to look back at the contract.

1605
01:19:25,140 --> 01:19:29,220
 I don't believe that we're, they're able to accept tips.

1606
01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:30,300
 - Okay.

1607
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:31,120
 Because I-- - I'll follow up

1608
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:31,960
 with you on that.

1609
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,660
 - All right, and I'm just connecting that

1610
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:37,420
 with part of the incentives.

1611
01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:40,780
 If you are having driver shortages,

1612
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:43,980
 and just, I'm kinda relating it to as though,

1613
01:19:43,980 --> 01:19:47,900
 you know, this is a waiter of some sort.

1614
01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:50,980
 You know, the pay may not be,

1615
01:19:50,980 --> 01:19:53,420
 I don't know what the pay is, just put that.

1616
01:19:53,420 --> 01:19:58,260
 Pay may not be something that is sustainable for them.

1617
01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:01,660
 And, you know, would it be problematic

1618
01:20:01,660 --> 01:20:05,220
 if we find that there are some are accepting tips or not?

1619
01:20:05,220 --> 01:20:06,900
 So I don't know what your--

1620
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:09,220
 - Well, I would say that that's,

1621
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:11,020
 that's part of our contractor's model.

1622
01:20:11,020 --> 01:20:13,940
 I mean, let me restate that, that didn't sound right.

1623
01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:17,200
 It's not part of their model.

1624
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,820
 I'm saying that the contractor's responsibility

1625
01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:22,860
 to deliver service to the agency,

1626
01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:24,900
 how they pay their employees.

1627
01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:26,740
 We've had discussions before.

1628
01:20:26,740 --> 01:20:30,400
 We would be overreaching if we told them

1629
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,540
 how to pay their employees.

1630
01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:32,540
 - Okay.

1631
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:37,540
 - I believe that, I'm gonna make a two-step statement here.

1632
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:43,720
 On an hourly basis, it appears that their pay is competitive.

1633
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:48,740
 It's up to the operator, to the driver

1634
01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:51,540
 to decide how many hours a day they wanna work.

1635
01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:52,380
 - Okay.

1636
01:20:52,380 --> 01:20:55,680
 - In this, it's been coined the gig economy.

1637
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:01,220
 Just because I'm inherently in the business of transit,

1638
01:21:01,220 --> 01:21:04,300
 no matter where I go around the country, around the world,

1639
01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:05,820
 I've always asked the question of the operator,

1640
01:21:05,820 --> 01:21:07,880
 "Hey, do you enjoy your job?"

1641
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:12,880
 And a lot of the Lyft and Uber drivers say they love it.

1642
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,740
 Not everybody loves everything, right?

1643
01:21:14,740 --> 01:21:16,660
 But the majority of them say they really like

1644
01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:19,520
 the flexibility 'cause they can set their own hours.

1645
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,940
 They can decide when they're working,

1646
01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:24,180
 what days of the week they're working,

1647
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:25,780
 and they're kind of their own boss.

1648
01:21:25,780 --> 01:21:29,580
 Well, we're not Uber and Lyft, and V is not Uber and Lyft.

1649
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:33,540
 I've asked the same questions of every operator

1650
01:21:33,540 --> 01:21:36,380
 that I've been in the vehicle with,

1651
01:21:36,380 --> 01:21:38,660
 which has been quite a few.

1652
01:21:38,660 --> 01:21:41,820
 And I've heard a few comments about,

1653
01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:44,980
 well, the technology is, 'cause there are anybody,

1654
01:21:44,980 --> 01:21:46,380
 if you're an Apple person,

1655
01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:49,980
 you don't like, you know, Samsung or whatever.

1656
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:52,580
 I happen to be a Samsung user, I don't, don't,

1657
01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:56,060
 and so people will tend to provide

1658
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,760
 an opinion about something.

1659
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,180
 I would say the majority of the time, most of the time,

1660
01:22:01,180 --> 01:22:03,080
 the operators have been complimentary

1661
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,820
 of the hours that they work.

1662
01:22:04,820 --> 01:22:08,180
 They like the fact that they're not driving their own vehicle,

1663
01:22:08,180 --> 01:22:09,540
 they're not using their own gas,

1664
01:22:09,540 --> 01:22:11,660
 they like the comfort of knowing

1665
01:22:11,660 --> 01:22:15,260
 what they're going to make when they're working,

1666
01:22:15,260 --> 01:22:16,580
 and they like the flexibility

1667
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:18,500
 of being able to set their own schedule.

1668
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:21,560
 So there's some advantages to the people

1669
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,660
 that are delivering service on our behalf.

1670
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:33,380
 But I think it'll, you'll typically see

1671
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:36,900
 the contractor hire more people

1672
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:39,380
 than are what are required to operate

1673
01:22:39,380 --> 01:22:41,340
 so that they can, because they know

1674
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:42,780
 that they're going to self-select,

1675
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:44,340
 there's gonna be days when they wanna work

1676
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:45,840
 and when they don't wanna work.

1677
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,240
 So you'll have a much larger employee pool

1678
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,060
 from the contractor that will decide

1679
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:52,660
 when they're going to work.

1680
01:22:52,660 --> 01:22:57,180
 - I just think that it's interesting how

1681
01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:04,620
 that system works, if you're not,

1682
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:06,300
 if you're saying you're not like Lyft

1683
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:07,500
 and you're not like Uber,

1684
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:09,900
 but you're kind of giving the drivers

1685
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:14,260
 the same kind of respect for picking

1686
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:15,840
 and choosing their days.

1687
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,980
 If I were a driver, I certainly wouldn't wanna work

1688
01:23:17,980 --> 01:23:20,900
 on Mondays and Fridays, you know?

1689
01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:23,300
 - Some do. - And some do, some don't,

1690
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:28,300
 but is that affecting this process

1691
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:31,820
 of picking people up on time and doing things,

1692
01:23:31,820 --> 01:23:33,240
 you know, in that manner?

1693
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,900
 So, I can't tell the--

1694
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:39,620
 - That's why the data's important.

1695
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:40,980
 - You know, how to do all of that,

1696
01:23:40,980 --> 01:23:43,040
 but I'm just stating the obvious,

1697
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,700
 that if you're saying that you're having

1698
01:23:46,700 --> 01:23:51,100
 vehicle, driver availability and vehicle availability,

1699
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:54,460
 I think that DCTA could put a bit more pressure

1700
01:23:54,460 --> 01:23:57,280
 on this particular company to make sure

1701
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:58,900
 that the drivers are there.

1702
01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:00,380
 - Well, and you make an excellent point,

1703
01:24:00,380 --> 01:24:02,800
 and I wanna say that this,

1704
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,660
 what's being presented to be fully transparent,

1705
01:24:08,660 --> 01:24:10,580
 it wouldn't be transparent to me,

1706
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:13,000
 for me to come and say, we've had no issues,

1707
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,780
 because it's obvious, we hear from customers,

1708
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:20,300
 we've had customer complaints that there's been issues.

1709
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:25,300
 They have resolved many, if not most of the issues

1710
01:24:25,940 --> 01:24:28,660
 around driver availability, vehicle availability.

1711
01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:32,380
 They have vehicles available, they have operators available.

1712
01:24:32,380 --> 01:24:34,260
 The average wait times are well within

1713
01:24:34,260 --> 01:24:35,980
 what we expected in the contract.

1714
01:24:35,980 --> 01:24:41,140
 The distance that we expected is within

1715
01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:42,700
 what we expected in the contract.

1716
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:45,500
 We're continuing to see growth, which is fantastic.

1717
01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:47,860
 But it wouldn't be fair to say

1718
01:24:47,860 --> 01:24:50,180
 that we didn't have startup issues.

1719
01:24:50,180 --> 01:24:53,080
 So, I think it's important that we say

1720
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,140
 that the contractor is actually doing a good job

1721
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:57,860
 of being those responsibilities

1722
01:24:57,860 --> 01:25:02,020
 and doing what's expected in the contract.

1723
01:25:02,020 --> 01:25:06,100
 If they decide to provide an incentive on a particular day

1724
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:08,820
 to operate, to get more operators there,

1725
01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:10,460
 then we need to allow them to do that.

1726
01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:13,980
 We're paying a fixed cost per hour to them,

1727
01:25:13,980 --> 01:25:17,160
 and it's their responsibility, their business model,

1728
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,540
 to figure out how to get vehicles and operators

1729
01:25:20,540 --> 01:25:23,240
 to deliver on time and with courtesy.

1730
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:27,580
 And as the owner of that contract, DCTA,

1731
01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:29,900
 we have a responsibility to manage that contractor

1732
01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:33,740
 to the requirements of the contract.

1733
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:37,100
 But I can't and would not tell them what to pay

1734
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:40,500
 or where they decide to allow them to accept tips.

1735
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:42,740
 It's a conversation that we're going to have,

1736
01:25:42,740 --> 01:25:44,620
 I'm sure, in the future.

1737
01:25:44,620 --> 01:25:46,780
 I think originally, Uber and Live didn't allow it.

1738
01:25:46,780 --> 01:25:48,120
 At some point, they did.

1739
01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:50,620
 I hope that answers your question.

1740
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:52,060
 - If you do answer my question,

1741
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:55,900
 I'm just gonna leave that right there,

1742
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:58,420
 my comments and questions, and thank you so much.

1743
01:25:58,420 --> 01:25:59,980
 I appreciate it. - You're welcome.

1744
01:25:59,980 --> 01:26:04,980
 - Ray, I have a few questions for you as well.

1745
01:26:04,980 --> 01:26:05,820
 - Sure.

1746
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:13,060
 - It looks like, clearly, the cumulative ridership

1747
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:17,420
 between Connect and On Demand is up.

1748
01:26:17,420 --> 01:26:18,660
 - It's growing. - They're both up.

1749
01:26:18,660 --> 01:26:21,220
 So the cumulative ridership is up.

1750
01:26:21,220 --> 01:26:24,420
 Do we have any way to track whether GoZone riders

1751
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:28,780
 are new people that didn't used to use public transit?

1752
01:26:28,780 --> 01:26:31,900
 Or are they switchers from bus

1753
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:33,980
 and there just happens to be kind of growth overall?

1754
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:38,980
 Or are they, you referred before to the idea of people

1755
01:26:38,980 --> 01:26:41,820
 who would mix and match based on their need at the time?

1756
01:26:41,820 --> 01:26:45,780
 Do we have any kind of qualitative insight

1757
01:26:45,780 --> 01:26:48,180
 into the ridership basis?

1758
01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:53,660
 - We don't track users for privacy reasons.

1759
01:26:53,660 --> 01:26:59,860
 We don't track users.

1760
01:26:59,860 --> 01:27:03,300
 - Well, I would suggest that that's an almost essential

1761
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:05,660
 piece of consumer research to do,

1762
01:27:05,660 --> 01:27:07,540
 whether you do it quantitatively through tracking.

1763
01:27:07,540 --> 01:27:10,060
 - Yes, specific users, we don't.

1764
01:27:10,060 --> 01:27:13,900
 What I was going to follow up with is,

1765
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:18,100
 when you look at the origins and the destinations,

1766
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:20,180
 when you look at this heat map,

1767
01:27:20,180 --> 01:27:22,820
 if you overlay, which we can and have,

1768
01:27:22,820 --> 01:27:24,740
 when you overlay the fixed route service,

1769
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:29,380
 it becomes very apparent because you will see riders

1770
01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:32,100
 along a fixed route within a quarter of a mile

1771
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,980
 and we have ways to kind of show

1772
01:27:34,980 --> 01:27:39,260
 like how far people are assuming the riders went.

1773
01:27:39,260 --> 01:27:41,340
 But then you look at all the dots of the pickups

1774
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:43,900
 and drop-offs across the zone,

1775
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:46,460
 it's obvious because we didn't have service.

1776
01:27:46,460 --> 01:27:49,140
 We couldn't get to that particular neighborhood.

1777
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:50,500
 - Those are incremental rides.

1778
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:53,020
 - So you're gonna see riders

1779
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:57,020
 in all four corners of the zones.

1780
01:27:57,020 --> 01:28:01,060
 Well, we don't have fixed route service

1781
01:28:01,060 --> 01:28:02,780
 at all four corners of the zone.

1782
01:28:02,780 --> 01:28:05,700
 So it's a very apparent way of aggregating data

1783
01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:07,660
 and saying, wow, look at all these new rides

1784
01:28:07,660 --> 01:28:10,020
 that we've not had before.

1785
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:11,740
 And that's true of not only our fixed route,

1786
01:28:11,740 --> 01:28:13,780
 but also the university shuttles.

1787
01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:17,380
 You will see a large number of folks,

1788
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:20,700
 a lot of those dots in and around the peripheries

1789
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:25,700
 of the university along Colorado Express down by the mall.

1790
01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:26,700
 Well, why down there?

1791
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:31,620
 Well, there's a lot of housing and student housing

1792
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:35,340
 or students that live in apartment complexes

1793
01:28:35,340 --> 01:28:37,140
 in and around Met Park.

1794
01:28:37,140 --> 01:28:38,900
 And you can see a lot of dots around the mall

1795
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:41,620
 and the retail establishments, which is fantastic

1796
01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:44,020
 'cause that means that people are using it

1797
01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:47,620
 to instead of a car, instead of a bicycle

1798
01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:51,060
 or whatever other mode of transit walking.

1799
01:28:51,060 --> 01:28:54,140
 But there are a lot of pick up and drop offs

1800
01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:57,140
 all over Denton, which is exciting.

1801
01:28:57,140 --> 01:28:59,860
 - I think there's a bit of a Venn diagram challenge

1802
01:28:59,860 --> 01:29:04,700
 where clearly new territory, you're creating new rides

1803
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:07,580
 that didn't exist before and that's complimentary.

1804
01:29:07,580 --> 01:29:09,500
 I think that where it becomes more important

1805
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:13,540
 to understand the characteristics of the ridership

1806
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:16,820
 is where you have the overlap in the Venn diagram.

1807
01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:19,340
 And unless you understand whether they're new riders

1808
01:29:19,340 --> 01:29:23,340
 or not, you don't know how incremental

1809
01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:26,100
 and how much displacement is there.

1810
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:31,940
 On the surface, I think, especially based on

1811
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:34,740
 what you're talking about with the geography of the rides,

1812
01:29:36,820 --> 01:29:40,500
 it seems so you can only conclude that it's at least,

1813
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,860
 to a large extent, complimentary, not a substitute.

1814
01:29:43,860 --> 01:29:48,140
 So when that's the dynamic, if you take away one,

1815
01:29:48,140 --> 01:29:50,860
 it doesn't all go over to the other, you just lose 'em.

1816
01:29:50,860 --> 01:29:55,420
 So to put it more positively, you're doing the awesome thing

1817
01:29:55,420 --> 01:29:57,660
 of growing total ridership.

1818
01:29:57,660 --> 01:30:01,300
 So you don't take one thing away and then expect--

1819
01:30:01,300 --> 01:30:06,180
 - Yeah, there's certainly, there's an economic factor.

1820
01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:09,500
 Can we afford both and are they sustainable?

1821
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:14,500
 And I would say, likely, and to keep both the way they are

1822
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:18,100
 is not financially sustainable.

1823
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:20,220
 It doesn't necessarily mean-- - You have to adjust them.

1824
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:21,740
 - You have to adjust them, yes.

1825
01:30:21,740 --> 01:30:28,180
 - So I'd be more than happy to refer you

1826
01:30:28,180 --> 01:30:29,500
 to these consumer research companies.

1827
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:32,180
 I'm sure your consultants know zillions of 'em

1828
01:30:32,180 --> 01:30:34,020
 who might help get insight into that.

1829
01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:39,020
 Just to see, really, where is the value to maximize?

1830
01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:44,420
 Couple of other questions.

1831
01:30:44,420 --> 01:30:45,780
 - Well, before we get off of that one,

1832
01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:48,860
 I wanna make sure that I'm not speaking

1833
01:30:48,860 --> 01:30:50,500
 on behalf of the board.

1834
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:52,300
 I'm speaking as a transit professional

1835
01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:54,260
 on what I would expect to see.

1836
01:30:54,260 --> 01:30:59,260
 I have not seen enough of the detailed data from Accenture

1837
01:30:59,260 --> 01:31:01,860
 and how it's gonna be presented to the board.

1838
01:31:01,860 --> 01:31:04,940
 I'm very excited, all of us are anxious to see it

1839
01:31:04,940 --> 01:31:07,380
 so that we can start going, wow, here's the big reveal.

1840
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:08,420
 What are we seeing?

1841
01:31:08,420 --> 01:31:14,020
 In aggregate, we're seeing some drop-off on fixed route.

1842
01:31:14,020 --> 01:31:18,820
 I explained earlier why, it's multi-faceted reasons.

1843
01:31:18,820 --> 01:31:24,420
 But it's not a one-to-one correlation of,

1844
01:31:24,420 --> 01:31:26,220
 oh, we're having 1,200 rides over here,

1845
01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:27,660
 we've lost 1,200 rides over there.

1846
01:31:27,660 --> 01:31:30,460
 There's still people using the fixed route system.

1847
01:31:30,460 --> 01:31:34,180
 Until you can kind of track users longitudinally,

1848
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:36,180
 you don't know if you lost them because

1849
01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:41,300
 street construction, blah, blah, blah, inconvenience,

1850
01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:44,220
 intrinsic losses that you might have had anyway

1851
01:31:44,220 --> 01:31:47,420
 or if they converted.

1852
01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:50,580
 I don't understand how you could make decisions

1853
01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:51,900
 without understanding that.

1854
01:31:51,900 --> 01:31:55,820
 I think Accenture probably has all the skills

1855
01:31:55,820 --> 01:31:58,180
 to say, how would we get that data?

1856
01:31:58,180 --> 01:32:00,860
 I mean, I'm just encouraging that.

1857
01:32:00,860 --> 01:32:03,620
 I think it'll be super eye-opening.

1858
01:32:03,620 --> 01:32:04,820
 - Interject on that point.

1859
01:32:04,820 --> 01:32:07,140
 I recognize that there are privacy issues

1860
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:08,940
 with tracking individual users, but--

1861
01:32:08,940 --> 01:32:10,940
 - Tracking is different than consumer research.

1862
01:32:10,940 --> 01:32:15,100
 - Yeah, but I mean, technology can anonymize that data

1863
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:18,780
 and protect privacy while still gathering data.

1864
01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:22,580
 - And we're doing that.

1865
01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:24,300
 We're getting enough, in my opinion,

1866
01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:28,460
 we're getting enough randomized data

1867
01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:32,180
 not specific to any individual.

1868
01:32:32,180 --> 01:32:35,420
 I believe the type of data sets

1869
01:32:35,420 --> 01:32:37,780
 that we're going to be looking at,

1870
01:32:37,780 --> 01:32:41,940
 one could make decisions from that data.

1871
01:32:41,940 --> 01:32:42,940
 - That'd be awesome.

1872
01:32:42,940 --> 01:32:46,340
 Couple of other questions.

1873
01:32:46,340 --> 01:32:48,700
 What do you think about the idea of route changes,

1874
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:51,980
 proposed route changes, once the case is kind of constructed,

1875
01:32:53,420 --> 01:32:55,660
 coming as part of the process,

1876
01:32:55,660 --> 01:32:59,380
 coming to individual cities for input and direction

1877
01:32:59,380 --> 01:33:01,820
 and have that be part of what goes to the board?

1878
01:33:01,820 --> 01:33:07,180
 We have a lot of advisory bodies

1879
01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:10,180
 that we hear from before we make our final decisions,

1880
01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:12,540
 and here we have a mobility committee.

1881
01:33:12,540 --> 01:33:13,380
 - Sure.

1882
01:33:13,380 --> 01:33:20,060
 Part of the public engagement process for transit does that.

1883
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:26,420
 We do it through a open process where,

1884
01:33:26,420 --> 01:33:32,900
 so we break it up in really two primary categories

1885
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:35,260
 in transit, major route changes

1886
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:39,140
 where you're going to impact more than 25% of the route,

1887
01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:41,620
 or you're going to create a new route.

1888
01:33:41,620 --> 01:33:44,780
 And we will go through a public process

1889
01:33:44,780 --> 01:33:47,420
 where we literally engage with the community.

1890
01:33:47,420 --> 01:33:50,740
 We have very multifaceted approach

1891
01:33:50,740 --> 01:33:53,420
 to gate online.

1892
01:33:53,420 --> 01:33:55,620
 We go to libraries, we'll go pre-COVID,

1893
01:33:55,620 --> 01:34:00,020
 we'll hold a lot of community meetings.

1894
01:34:00,020 --> 01:34:05,420
 In my three years, one of the things was for me

1895
01:34:05,420 --> 01:34:06,780
 that was incredibly important

1896
01:34:06,780 --> 01:34:10,620
 was that we create a social services round table process

1897
01:34:10,620 --> 01:34:15,620
 where we meet quarterly with many of the social services

1898
01:34:15,620 --> 01:34:18,300
 throughout Denton and Lewisville.

1899
01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:20,060
 And it's very collaborative.

1900
01:34:20,060 --> 01:34:24,460
 So we use that process to learn about our services,

1901
01:34:24,460 --> 01:34:26,500
 how we can modify services.

1902
01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:28,740
 We also have a citizens advisory committee

1903
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:31,620
 that allows individuals to sign up to be,

1904
01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:33,620
 if they're advocates or passionate about transit

1905
01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:35,860
 to provide feedback on all kinds of things,

1906
01:34:35,860 --> 01:34:38,060
 including accessibility.

1907
01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:45,060
 And part of that process can include presenting

1908
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:50,300
 just like we would if asked to present the budget,

1909
01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:56,180
 we can certainly get feedback from cities and the councils.

1910
01:34:56,180 --> 01:35:01,180
 Ultimately, I report to the Board of Directors of DCTA,

1911
01:35:01,180 --> 01:35:03,580
 the Board of Directors are the ones that vote.

1912
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:07,420
 So I love the fact that there's a lot of interest

1913
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:10,220
 more than there probably has been in a decade.

1914
01:35:10,220 --> 01:35:13,700
 - You're suddenly super popular.

1915
01:35:13,700 --> 01:35:15,060
 - It's very popular.

1916
01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:18,780
 - And important, I do believe transited.

1917
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:20,900
 When you look at the top 10,

1918
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:25,900
 I reached out to Governor Abbott's economic development group

1919
01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:29,460
 and we've talked about the top 10 factors

1920
01:35:29,460 --> 01:35:36,540
 that are driving companies to relocate to Texas

1921
01:35:36,540 --> 01:35:40,620
 and ultimately our region and transits in those top 10,

1922
01:35:40,620 --> 01:35:41,820
 there's no question.

1923
01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:46,820
 So having a vibrant city with accessible transit

1924
01:35:46,820 --> 01:35:51,820
 is absolutely a reason that companies would locate here

1925
01:35:51,820 --> 01:35:54,700
 and it's an important asset to have.

1926
01:35:54,700 --> 01:35:57,660
 So the more engagement that we have,

1927
01:35:57,660 --> 01:35:59,300
 I'm certainly an advocate of that.

1928
01:35:59,300 --> 01:36:01,340
 I think the more feedback that we have,

1929
01:36:01,340 --> 01:36:05,500
 ultimately your sales tax come into DCTA

1930
01:36:05,500 --> 01:36:09,260
 and I've always squarely made the focus of what we do

1931
01:36:10,740 --> 01:36:13,060
 to add value back to our stakeholder communities.

1932
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:15,700
 And we do that through our four pillars,

1933
01:36:15,700 --> 01:36:19,780
 which is improving mobility, enhancing air quality,

1934
01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:22,500
 doing our job to look at ways of doing that,

1935
01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:27,500
 improving the livability for your citizens

1936
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:32,500
 and being a good partner with regard to economic mobility

1937
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:36,820
 and economic development, excuse me.

1938
01:36:36,820 --> 01:36:40,660
 And we do that through transit oriented development projects

1939
01:36:40,660 --> 01:36:43,700
 there's a lot of work and discussion we need to have

1940
01:36:43,700 --> 01:36:46,460
 around the train stations 'cause there's a lot of land,

1941
01:36:46,460 --> 01:36:49,540
 DCTA can be a great partner.

1942
01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:55,580
 We helped quite a bit in the dialogue for a developer

1943
01:36:55,580 --> 01:37:00,220
 to actually acquire land around the DDTC.

1944
01:37:00,220 --> 01:37:01,420
 And I know there's a lot of interest

1945
01:37:01,420 --> 01:37:03,260
 in what do we do with that.

1946
01:37:03,260 --> 01:37:05,140
 So there's a lot of value creation that can come,

1947
01:37:05,140 --> 01:37:07,140
 we can be a great partner to you

1948
01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:09,820
 because we can compete for federal dollars

1949
01:37:09,820 --> 01:37:14,820
 if we work together and we compete to get federal dollars

1950
01:37:14,820 --> 01:37:20,100
 that could be as much as 80.20, so 80 cents on the dollar.

1951
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:21,540
 But I wanna do that.

1952
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:24,500
 I wanna work through your board appointee

1953
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,500
 and with this council to talk about that,

1954
01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:31,780
 how we make Denton more livable,

1955
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:34,340
 more competitive on a national level.

1956
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:38,660
 And more than ever before this agency is more accessible

1957
01:37:40,580 --> 01:37:42,660
 it's more engaged regionally.

1958
01:37:42,660 --> 01:37:45,300
 What we've done has piqued the interest nationally

1959
01:37:45,300 --> 01:37:47,700
 of a lot of folks that are in transit.

1960
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:49,540
 So I think our future is bright

1961
01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:52,140
 and I really look forward to continuing this relationship

1962
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:54,140
 and this dialogue and hope that you stay engaged

1963
01:37:54,140 --> 01:37:57,580
 at this level in transit, thank you.

1964
01:37:57,580 --> 01:37:59,500
 - Keep you standing a little longer,

1965
01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:02,420
 I have a couple of other areas I wanna explore.

1966
01:38:02,420 --> 01:38:04,380
 I appreciate your coming here.

1967
01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:09,700
 Our interest is intense, it's been lively topic

1968
01:38:09,700 --> 01:38:14,700
 and it is, as you alluded, it's all synergistic

1969
01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:17,460
 with economic development, with our environmental impacts,

1970
01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:20,180
 so we have lots of reasons to care.

1971
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:23,980
 Specifically, you brought up air quality.

1972
01:38:23,980 --> 01:38:26,380
 What are the prospects for with VIA

1973
01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:28,940
 toward moving toward an electric fleet?

1974
01:38:28,940 --> 01:38:32,820
 The problem when you're displacing individual car rides

1975
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:37,500
 with VIA is somebody's gonna drive to the pickup point

1976
01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:38,460
 and then after they drop them off

1977
01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:39,820
 they're gonna drive somewhere else,

1978
01:38:39,820 --> 01:38:42,940
 so you're actually, on the margin,

1979
01:38:42,940 --> 01:38:45,700
 some studies showed negatively impacting the environment,

1980
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:50,020
 but if you're replacing internal combustion

1981
01:38:50,020 --> 01:38:52,460
 with electric, that's a plus.

1982
01:38:52,460 --> 01:38:57,300
 So what's your sense of the prospects there

1983
01:38:57,300 --> 01:38:59,100
 for ending up with an electric fleet?

1984
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:05,220
 - It's something that we certainly need as a board

1985
01:39:05,220 --> 01:39:08,420
 to have dialogue with staff.

1986
01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:13,420
 I'm looking forward to having a strategic discussion

1987
01:39:13,420 --> 01:39:15,980
 with the board of what are the top priorities.

1988
01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:17,700
 It's one that I've already talked to,

1989
01:39:17,700 --> 01:39:21,900
 we'll likely have Accenture lead our strategic workshop,

1990
01:39:21,900 --> 01:39:25,220
 but it is a topic that will be brought forth.

1991
01:39:25,220 --> 01:39:31,580
 The challenge is understanding the dynamics of our fleet

1992
01:39:31,580 --> 01:39:33,100
 and what it's gonna look like in the future,

1993
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:35,300
 so you can probably appreciate-- - I meant their fleet

1994
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:37,500
 as well, I know when you say our fleet,

1995
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:38,940
 I was talking about VIA, but--

1996
01:39:38,940 --> 01:39:41,420
 - Well, so I'm gonna say our fleet and VIA's fleet,

1997
01:39:41,420 --> 01:39:45,900
 so the good news is that VIA does have the ability,

1998
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:50,540
 they do have a sustainability strategy,

1999
01:39:50,540 --> 01:39:52,940
 so they have access to electric vehicles.

2000
01:39:52,940 --> 01:39:56,900
 That implies that we need electric infrastructure,

2001
01:39:56,900 --> 01:39:59,860
 charge stations, how does that work, where are they?

2002
01:39:59,860 --> 01:40:02,580
 As you can imagine, that infrastructure

2003
01:40:02,580 --> 01:40:07,580
 can be very expensive and probably that's the biggest

2004
01:40:07,580 --> 01:40:12,060
 head scratcher for a transit system of our size

2005
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:15,340
 is does it, from the economics perspective,

2006
01:40:15,340 --> 01:40:18,380
 does it, certainly there's folks that would love

2007
01:40:18,380 --> 01:40:21,980
 to sell us electric vehicles and bundle all that in

2008
01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:26,260
 to a supply of energy and you look at that

2009
01:40:26,260 --> 01:40:28,460
 over the lifetime of the vehicle,

2010
01:40:28,460 --> 01:40:31,060
 so it's getting a lot easier to just find somebody

2011
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:33,260
 who'll bundle all that up and sell it to you.

2012
01:40:33,260 --> 01:40:37,020
 You have to look beyond that and say, is that sustainable?

2013
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:42,020
 And in order, the sustainability of an electric fleet

2014
01:40:42,020 --> 01:40:43,820
 and what does that look like?

2015
01:40:43,820 --> 01:40:45,900
 So we can certainly buy electric buses.

2016
01:40:45,900 --> 01:40:50,300
 There's questions across the industry as to the scalability

2017
01:40:50,300 --> 01:40:52,380
 of converting all of your fleet to electric,

2018
01:40:52,380 --> 01:40:55,700
 as you can imagine, to energize an entire fleet

2019
01:40:55,700 --> 01:40:59,220
 could take a small substation to do.

2020
01:40:59,220 --> 01:41:02,860
 And there's in lies the question is, is it economical to do?

2021
01:41:02,860 --> 01:41:05,020
 So a lot of transit agencies have gone

2022
01:41:05,020 --> 01:41:08,460
 and they've purchased 10, 12, 20 of them,

2023
01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:11,060
 but getting beyond that is a challenge.

2024
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:13,740
 I very much want to look at our fleet

2025
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:17,060
 and starting this year and see if we can,

2026
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:20,820
 whether it be via or DCTA, not only look at electric,

2027
01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:23,340
 but also hydrogen is starting to become a big issue.

2028
01:41:23,340 --> 01:41:24,420
 I mean, you can't pick up a paper

2029
01:41:24,420 --> 01:41:27,300
 without reading something about hydrogen.

2030
01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:30,980
 - So there are transit agencies that have been

2031
01:41:30,980 --> 01:41:34,020
 in the bus business building now electric,

2032
01:41:34,020 --> 01:41:37,180
 probably third, fourth generation electric vehicles

2033
01:41:37,180 --> 01:41:39,540
 that are also starting to talk about,

2034
01:41:39,540 --> 01:41:41,140
 well, what about a hydrogen platform?

2035
01:41:41,140 --> 01:41:43,300
 'Cause it's basically the same platform.

2036
01:41:43,300 --> 01:41:46,540
 It still needs a battery, but now they have hydrogen

2037
01:41:46,540 --> 01:41:48,740
 that it's kind of a hybrid solution.

2038
01:41:48,740 --> 01:41:50,020
 So yes, very much.

2039
01:41:50,020 --> 01:41:54,580
 We need to take a look at from a sustainability perspective.

2040
01:41:54,580 --> 01:41:56,420
 I'm excited about looking at that.

2041
01:41:56,420 --> 01:41:57,900
 I also want to make sure that we were in

2042
01:41:57,900 --> 01:42:00,340
 third or fourth generation technology.

2043
01:42:00,340 --> 01:42:04,300
 Your bigger transit properties can afford to get involved

2044
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:06,660
 in that and they have a larger maintenance team.

2045
01:42:06,660 --> 01:42:08,300
 The last thing I want to do is put the burden

2046
01:42:08,300 --> 01:42:11,460
 of having two completely different technology platforms

2047
01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:13,460
 that a small maintenance team has to address.

2048
01:42:13,460 --> 01:42:16,700
 - Yeah, let me put something on your radar

2049
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:19,020
 and then I have one more topic after this.

2050
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:23,880
 And this is why it's great that we're in better dialogue.

2051
01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:28,980
 City of Denton just established a sustainability fund

2052
01:42:28,980 --> 01:42:33,980
 that is basically fueled by our core scientific deal,

2053
01:42:33,980 --> 01:42:38,820
 but there'll be probably other data centers in the future

2054
01:42:38,820 --> 01:42:43,580
 and more opportunities to fund the sustainability fund.

2055
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:47,460
 It's the task of the Sustainability Framework

2056
01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:51,340
 Advisory Committee to develop a work plan

2057
01:42:51,340 --> 01:42:54,060
 and figure out what are the projects

2058
01:42:54,060 --> 01:42:57,780
 that would have the most sustainability impact.

2059
01:42:57,780 --> 01:43:01,700
 And I'm agnostic and I'm certainly open to the possibility

2060
01:43:01,700 --> 01:43:04,300
 that what you're describing supporting

2061
01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:11,420
 electric or hydrogen infrastructure for public transit

2062
01:43:11,420 --> 01:43:16,420
 that may end up high on the list.

2063
01:43:16,420 --> 01:43:18,580
 I mean that needs to be evaluated.

2064
01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:20,180
 So I just kind of put that out there.

2065
01:43:20,180 --> 01:43:21,460
 - You have some great resources.

2066
01:43:21,460 --> 01:43:24,300
 I mean, Landfill develops methane.

2067
01:43:24,300 --> 01:43:26,860
 It used to be considered a nuisance

2068
01:43:26,860 --> 01:43:31,540
 and now it's actually, methane is easily convertible

2069
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:34,820
 to hydrogen, green hydrogen as it's called in the industry.

2070
01:43:34,820 --> 01:43:36,180
 So you have blue and green, right?

2071
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:39,740
 Blue is generated from natural gas.

2072
01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:42,540
 Green, which is everybody's desire

2073
01:43:42,540 --> 01:43:47,540
 is to use sustainable forms of gas

2074
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:49,700
 to convert it over to hydrogen

2075
01:43:49,700 --> 01:43:51,740
 and one of the prevailing ideas

2076
01:43:51,740 --> 01:43:54,660
 is to use your landfill gas to convert to hydrogen.

2077
01:43:54,660 --> 01:43:57,100
 And then hydrogen can be converted to electric power.

2078
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:58,940
 I mean, there's all kinds of very interesting,

2079
01:43:58,940 --> 01:44:01,020
 exciting things coming in the future.

2080
01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:04,420
 - Okay.

2081
01:44:04,420 --> 01:44:06,940
 - So we currently are undertaking

2082
01:44:06,940 --> 01:44:11,540
 a multimillion dollar project to collect methane

2083
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:14,820
 from the landfill and sell it to Atmos

2084
01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:16,700
 and put it into a pipeline.

2085
01:44:16,700 --> 01:44:19,180
 Would that preclude what you're talking about?

2086
01:44:19,180 --> 01:44:20,660
 - It just depends on the agreements

2087
01:44:20,660 --> 01:44:23,060
 and the way they're structured.

2088
01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:24,820
 I don't know they would preclude it.

2089
01:44:24,820 --> 01:44:27,260
 It's just, where's the source coming from?

2090
01:44:27,260 --> 01:44:33,300
 A lot of landfills will sell their methane.

2091
01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:35,900
 Either they'll convert it on property

2092
01:44:35,900 --> 01:44:37,300
 and literally put it into the grid

2093
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:39,380
 or they'll sell it to Atmos or someone else

2094
01:44:39,380 --> 01:44:44,260
 and then they'll use the gas just like anyone else would.

2095
01:44:44,260 --> 01:44:49,260
 So a source could literally be, a green source,

2096
01:44:49,260 --> 01:44:52,420
 sustainable source would be landfill gas.

2097
01:44:52,420 --> 01:44:55,740
 Another source, which is considered blue,

2098
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:57,060
 would be literally using the gas

2099
01:44:57,060 --> 01:44:59,460
 coming from the Atmos pipeline.

2100
01:44:59,460 --> 01:45:03,580
 But if their supply is actually methane from a landfill,

2101
01:45:03,580 --> 01:45:06,220
 then you meet the same end result.

2102
01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:08,060
 I don't think that it would preclude,

2103
01:45:08,060 --> 01:45:11,660
 if we were to decide to do something together,

2104
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:14,660
 even if it was in the hydrogen.

2105
01:45:14,660 --> 01:45:16,940
 Electric is 10 times easier to do

2106
01:45:16,940 --> 01:45:19,500
 'cause it's already available.

2107
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:22,180
 Hydrogen is a few years down the road.

2108
01:45:22,180 --> 01:45:24,220
 But as you start talking about sustainability

2109
01:45:24,220 --> 01:45:29,220
 and being a leader, there's no doubt even

2110
01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:33,420
 at a federal level that there's a lot more discussion

2111
01:45:33,420 --> 01:45:35,180
 about making sure that there's parity

2112
01:45:35,180 --> 01:45:37,980
 between electrification and hydrogen projects.

2113
01:45:37,980 --> 01:45:41,900
 The rest of the world, I'll say,

2114
01:45:41,900 --> 01:45:43,380
 there's other portions of the world

2115
01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:47,180
 that are further down the road with regard to hydrogen.

2116
01:45:47,180 --> 01:45:50,980
 But we shouldn't exclude either one of those.

2117
01:45:50,980 --> 01:45:55,460
 - Yeah, I would just say that electric exists

2118
01:45:55,460 --> 01:45:58,460
 and if we can find a way to, who knows?

2119
01:45:58,460 --> 01:46:01,140
 Charging stations may also be part

2120
01:46:01,140 --> 01:46:03,620
 of what might make sense to fund.

2121
01:46:03,620 --> 01:46:08,620
 And if we get you on electric from our resources,

2122
01:46:08,620 --> 01:46:11,300
 it's gonna be sourced from renewables

2123
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:14,420
 in the first place and then you have the emissions benefit.

2124
01:46:14,420 --> 01:46:19,500
 I promised I have only one more topic,

2125
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:21,140
 so I'll just get to that one.

2126
01:46:21,140 --> 01:46:24,780
 And I really appreciate your patience

2127
01:46:24,780 --> 01:46:27,100
 and talking with us today.

2128
01:46:27,100 --> 01:46:30,980
 On the topic of pay, we're interested

2129
01:46:30,980 --> 01:46:33,780
 in the economic development impacts,

2130
01:46:33,780 --> 01:46:37,100
 environmental impacts, and we care about the impacts

2131
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:40,620
 on the drivers themselves and on that impact

2132
01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:41,620
 on our local economy.

2133
01:46:41,620 --> 01:46:44,180
 So I just really wanna probe a little bit,

2134
01:46:44,180 --> 01:46:48,820
 why is it beyond the pale to have a term

2135
01:46:48,820 --> 01:46:53,820
 of your agreement to be that the drivers make what they make,

2136
01:46:53,820 --> 01:47:00,820
 not based on what vehicle they drive?

2137
01:47:00,820 --> 01:47:04,260
 In other words, why is pay equity

2138
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:06,300
 beyond the pale for a contract?

2139
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:09,700
 And obviously, I would expect that would cost more.

2140
01:47:09,700 --> 01:47:12,180
 I mean, I'm not saying VIA must make less,

2141
01:47:12,180 --> 01:47:16,660
 but why is that not available to evaluate

2142
01:47:16,660 --> 01:47:17,900
 if we're interested in the impact

2143
01:47:17,900 --> 01:47:20,780
 on drivers and on local economy?

2144
01:47:20,780 --> 01:47:23,340
 - Are you speaking specifically about--

2145
01:47:23,340 --> 01:47:24,580
 - VIA. - VIA.

2146
01:47:24,580 --> 01:47:27,540
 - Yeah, or however we end up doing microtransit.

2147
01:47:27,540 --> 01:47:32,900
 - I don't think it's common practice

2148
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:37,900
 to dictate to a corporation what they should pay

2149
01:47:37,900 --> 01:47:38,860
 their employees.

2150
01:47:39,940 --> 01:47:42,460
 I just don't think that that's common.

2151
01:47:42,460 --> 01:47:44,260
 I might not be understanding specifically.

2152
01:47:44,260 --> 01:47:45,540
 - No, no, I think you are understanding.

2153
01:47:45,540 --> 01:47:50,540
 Just like, I mean, I don't personally feel compelled

2154
01:47:50,540 --> 01:47:53,300
 by only doing what's common.

2155
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:57,340
 If it's a value to us and there's a mutual agreement

2156
01:47:57,340 --> 01:48:00,300
 at arm's length, you know, I kind of think

2157
01:48:00,300 --> 01:48:01,660
 like anything's negotiable.

2158
01:48:01,660 --> 01:48:06,460
 So, and that's really my question.

2159
01:48:06,460 --> 01:48:09,260
 Not common, but if the board were to determine

2160
01:48:09,260 --> 01:48:13,540
 that that was a value, is it not achievable?

2161
01:48:13,540 --> 01:48:18,340
 - The challenge, especially with the dynamics

2162
01:48:18,340 --> 01:48:22,300
 of a particular company is if we say we want you to pay

2163
01:48:22,300 --> 01:48:25,620
 for, you know, let's say a particular range,

2164
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:29,220
 they can build that into their model.

2165
01:48:29,220 --> 01:48:34,180
 If that means that it's gonna cost us more,

2166
01:48:34,180 --> 01:48:36,540
 so be it, it might cost us more.

2167
01:48:39,540 --> 01:48:41,660
 I get concerned.

2168
01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:43,180
 - And then that's a business decision, right?

2169
01:48:43,180 --> 01:48:44,020
 Back to that.

2170
01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:46,060
 - It's a business decision, but I also get concerned

2171
01:48:46,060 --> 01:48:50,020
 about providing callers and contracts.

2172
01:48:50,020 --> 01:48:55,180
 So one of the dynamic things that they can do is,

2173
01:48:55,180 --> 01:48:57,860
 as I mentioned before, and this is common practice

2174
01:48:57,860 --> 01:49:01,220
 even for Uber and Lyft, they do surge pricing

2175
01:49:01,220 --> 01:49:05,460
 on customers, but they can also surge, incentivize

2176
01:49:05,460 --> 01:49:10,460
 their employees, if they need to, to work certain hours

2177
01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:13,380
 that we're having a challenge filling

2178
01:49:13,380 --> 01:49:15,460
 because it's late at night or it's in the middle of the day

2179
01:49:15,460 --> 01:49:17,740
 or whatever, and if somebody can make more money

2180
01:49:17,740 --> 01:49:19,980
 doing something, maybe that entices them.

2181
01:49:19,980 --> 01:49:23,340
 And I think looking at one or two variables

2182
01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:27,940
 in a corporate infrastructure as a public entity

2183
01:49:27,940 --> 01:49:29,500
 and saying we want you to address this,

2184
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:33,180
 it's like macro microeconomics is you're looking

2185
01:49:33,180 --> 01:49:36,020
 at one variable, but there's multiple variables

2186
01:49:36,020 --> 01:49:39,020
 in their business model that makes sense for them.

2187
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:40,420
 I'm not saying that we couldn't do it.

2188
01:49:40,420 --> 01:49:44,340
 It's something that could be broached with the board.

2189
01:49:44,340 --> 01:49:47,220
 - Yeah, no, it's all depends on is that a value

2190
01:49:47,220 --> 01:49:49,660
 that the board prioritizes?

2191
01:49:49,660 --> 01:49:54,660
 - And we did, I believe it was one of the meetings.

2192
01:49:54,660 --> 01:49:56,780
 I don't think it's important which one,

2193
01:49:56,780 --> 01:49:59,900
 but there was some initial dialogue about that

2194
01:49:59,900 --> 01:50:04,900
 at the board level, I don't think we felt at that point

2195
01:50:04,900 --> 01:50:10,380
 that it warranted us going back and amending our contract.

2196
01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:16,540
 I will say it's important that we pay competitively.

2197
01:50:16,540 --> 01:50:22,180
 I say we were contracted with NTMC to provide services.

2198
01:50:22,180 --> 01:50:24,380
 They just did their own analysis.

2199
01:50:24,380 --> 01:50:29,380
 And we're not significantly out of round,

2200
01:50:29,860 --> 01:50:34,860
 we're probably 50 cents or less than a dollar on wage

2201
01:50:34,860 --> 01:50:39,780
 in comparison to training Metro and Dart.

2202
01:50:39,780 --> 01:50:42,140
 And there's variability in the scale.

2203
01:50:42,140 --> 01:50:48,380
 But I think for, if you, we heard directly

2204
01:50:48,380 --> 01:50:52,020
 at the NTMC board meeting from the president

2205
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:54,760
 of the management team that is responsible

2206
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:58,060
 for managing the staff, that he felt that building

2207
01:50:58,060 --> 01:51:03,060
 a more, a better culture, a great place to work

2208
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:08,860
 where people take pride in the work that they do,

2209
01:51:08,860 --> 01:51:11,980
 that they have comfort, that they're coming to a job

2210
01:51:11,980 --> 01:51:16,660
 that they can rely on is more important most times

2211
01:51:16,660 --> 01:51:19,460
 than 25 cents or 50 cents an hour.

2212
01:51:19,460 --> 01:51:22,260
 So I think if we can focus on that, stay competitive,

2213
01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:25,780
 but we're not in training Metro's area or Dart.

2214
01:51:25,780 --> 01:51:30,380
 So while we're all competing for folks,

2215
01:51:30,380 --> 01:51:32,420
 the economics are a little bit different here in Denton

2216
01:51:32,420 --> 01:51:35,020
 than they are in training Metro, but not enough

2217
01:51:35,020 --> 01:51:38,460
 that it would warrant a significant pay differential.

2218
01:51:38,460 --> 01:51:41,740
 So we're looking at pay to make sure,

2219
01:51:41,740 --> 01:51:43,940
 look, people vote with their feet.

2220
01:51:43,940 --> 01:51:46,980
 If they can make more working somewhere else,

2221
01:51:46,980 --> 01:51:49,300
 they're gonna go somewhere else.

2222
01:51:49,300 --> 01:51:53,900
 And even though we look at wages every three years

2223
01:51:53,900 --> 01:51:57,140
 with the ATU, if it makes sense,

2224
01:51:57,140 --> 01:52:00,380
 if we're losing too many people, we can't retain staff.

2225
01:52:00,380 --> 01:52:02,980
 We're obviously not being competitive.

2226
01:52:02,980 --> 01:52:03,820
 So that needs to be looked at.

2227
01:52:03,820 --> 01:52:06,180
 - Let me just give you a better insight

2228
01:52:06,180 --> 01:52:07,020
 into where I'm coming from

2229
01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:09,100
 and then I'm happy to leave it at that.

2230
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:13,460
 We get all kinds of pressure from the public

2231
01:52:13,460 --> 01:52:16,860
 and a lot of it's been based around this idea

2232
01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:21,240
 that what kind of services provided should be driven

2233
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,500
 by whether they're unionized or not.

2234
01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:28,500
 And I think that what kind of services that are provided

2235
01:52:28,500 --> 01:52:33,180
 should be based on what meets ridership needs

2236
01:52:33,180 --> 01:52:36,620
 and maximizes our service to the population.

2237
01:52:36,620 --> 01:52:39,580
 And if we can take that issue out of it,

2238
01:52:39,580 --> 01:52:44,580
 that what you make doesn't depend on what you drive for us.

2239
01:52:44,580 --> 01:52:49,340
 You know, it kind of takes a false pressure

2240
01:52:49,340 --> 01:52:51,620
 out of the equation.

2241
01:52:51,620 --> 01:52:54,540
 That's the genesis of what I think.

2242
01:52:54,540 --> 01:52:56,740
 - Thank you for that clarification.

2243
01:52:56,740 --> 01:52:59,860
 So we have two pay scales.

2244
01:52:59,860 --> 01:53:04,460
 That was driven by trying to incent

2245
01:53:04,460 --> 01:53:08,540
 people that have to go get a CDL license

2246
01:53:08,540 --> 01:53:13,040
 or that have a CDL license, that they get additional pay

2247
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:17,220
 because it's real easy for somebody with a CDL license

2248
01:53:17,220 --> 01:53:20,180
 to go to work somewhere else and make a lot more money.

2249
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:25,740
 And we need a lot of non-CDL drivers

2250
01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:29,620
 that don't require a big bus because we have cutaways

2251
01:53:29,620 --> 01:53:33,580
 and we have vans and we were providing our own on demand.

2252
01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:36,860
 So we wanted to make sure that we were getting access

2253
01:53:36,860 --> 01:53:39,540
 to a different workforce.

2254
01:53:39,540 --> 01:53:44,300
 That was the original reason

2255
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:48,220
 that we created this dual pay scale.

2256
01:53:51,660 --> 01:53:54,900
 - I will say this about, I tend to not look at

2257
01:53:54,900 --> 01:53:57,560
 whether it's union or non.

2258
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,620
 I try to look at it as, are we being fair?

2259
01:54:00,620 --> 01:54:03,860
 If we're doing our job as an employer

2260
01:54:03,860 --> 01:54:05,320
 and we're making sure that people are making

2261
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,060
 a competitive wage, that they have good healthcare.

2262
01:54:08,060 --> 01:54:12,560
 I've been an advocate for our operators maintenance folks

2263
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,900
 to get paid fairly.

2264
01:54:14,900 --> 01:54:19,860
 There were years where we were a couple of dollars lower.

2265
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:22,500
 We've done, I think, a great job with the board

2266
01:54:22,500 --> 01:54:25,580
 in making sure that the pay scale was more competitive

2267
01:54:25,580 --> 01:54:28,880
 because people need to be making a living wage.

2268
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:33,460
 When I stepped in the leadership role,

2269
01:54:33,460 --> 01:54:37,860
 I was looking at the amount of take-home pay

2270
01:54:37,860 --> 01:54:42,320
 in comparison to the insurance and benefits

2271
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:44,380
 that operators and others were getting.

2272
01:54:44,380 --> 01:54:47,420
 It was not good, significant.

2273
01:54:47,420 --> 01:54:49,280
 I mean, we didn't have a lot of participation.

2274
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:54,140
 So you'd go, hey, look, our insurance costs are low.

2275
01:54:54,140 --> 01:54:54,980
 That's great.

2276
01:54:54,980 --> 01:54:58,260
 Well, not really because people, if they need benefits

2277
01:54:58,260 --> 01:55:00,140
 and don't have access to them,

2278
01:55:00,140 --> 01:55:02,700
 it's not a good competitive environment.

2279
01:55:02,700 --> 01:55:04,020
 So we've taken great strides

2280
01:55:04,020 --> 01:55:05,740
 and the board's been supportive

2281
01:55:05,740 --> 01:55:08,220
 of improving the healthcare plans

2282
01:55:08,220 --> 01:55:10,500
 for folks to make it a living wage

2283
01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:12,020
 and to make, again, to try to build

2284
01:55:12,020 --> 01:55:14,120
 and instill pride in what we do.

2285
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,620
 Having worked on the West Coast,

2286
01:55:17,620 --> 01:55:20,900
 there's some interesting things about that,

2287
01:55:20,900 --> 01:55:23,460
 but it taught me a lot over 10 years.

2288
01:55:23,460 --> 01:55:27,340
 It taught me a lot about value creation.

2289
01:55:27,340 --> 01:55:29,980
 And in many cases, people will work for less money

2290
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:31,460
 if they love where they work

2291
01:55:31,460 --> 01:55:32,780
 and they love what they're doing.

2292
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:33,620
 - Absolutely.

2293
01:55:33,620 --> 01:55:36,420
 - And so the CEO of the management firm said,

2294
01:55:36,420 --> 01:55:39,060
 every day when I'm at lunch, I'm watching,

2295
01:55:39,060 --> 01:55:42,420
 I'm looking, I'm recruiting people that have passion,

2296
01:55:42,420 --> 01:55:43,900
 that work really hard,

2297
01:55:43,900 --> 01:55:47,780
 and I try to recruit them into becoming a part

2298
01:55:47,780 --> 01:55:52,100
 of our organization because you build a great culture

2299
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:55,260
 that way, you build a team of passionate people

2300
01:55:55,260 --> 01:55:56,580
 that love what they do.

2301
01:55:56,580 --> 01:55:59,140
 And our job is to pay them fairly,

2302
01:55:59,140 --> 01:56:00,900
 make sure that they have healthcare

2303
01:56:00,900 --> 01:56:05,900
 and build a organization where people want to come to work.

2304
01:56:05,900 --> 01:56:12,620
 And so union and non-union, to me, that's our mission,

2305
01:56:12,620 --> 01:56:15,140
 is we're not here to create jobs,

2306
01:56:15,140 --> 01:56:17,100
 we're here to provide mobility.

2307
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:18,500
 But in order to do that,

2308
01:56:18,500 --> 01:56:22,460
 we have to have happy, healthy employees

2309
01:56:22,460 --> 01:56:23,540
 that love what they do.

2310
01:56:23,540 --> 01:56:26,740
 And that's certainly, I'm interested in doing that.

2311
01:56:26,740 --> 01:56:31,060
 Whether we're contracting to work out to VIA or to MTMC,

2312
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:32,340
 that's always top of my mind,

2313
01:56:32,340 --> 01:56:36,320
 is to create a competent, healthy, passionate workforce.

2314
01:56:39,020 --> 01:56:42,820
 - I'm so grateful for us having this dialogue.

2315
01:56:42,820 --> 01:56:45,260
 Let's see if there are any other questions

2316
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:47,900
 and give you a break. - Thank you, thank you.

2317
01:56:47,900 --> 01:56:51,180
 - I just have one, I don't have a question,

2318
01:56:51,180 --> 01:56:53,740
 but I do want to comment on what you just said

2319
01:56:53,740 --> 01:56:57,220
 about we're not here to create jobs.

2320
01:56:57,220 --> 01:57:02,220
 Whenever we are looking at another company to come in,

2321
01:57:02,220 --> 01:57:06,380
 whenever there's a company that wants to come into Denton,

2322
01:57:06,380 --> 01:57:08,540
 that's one of the first things they say to us

2323
01:57:08,540 --> 01:57:11,660
 is that we're here to create jobs

2324
01:57:11,660 --> 01:57:14,940
 and we have high-paying jobs.

2325
01:57:14,940 --> 01:57:19,260
 That we can't help but to think in those terms

2326
01:57:19,260 --> 01:57:24,260
 because we're here to create a space

2327
01:57:24,260 --> 01:57:27,140
 where people want to live, work, and play.

2328
01:57:27,140 --> 01:57:30,900
 So I'm not objecting to you saying it,

2329
01:57:30,900 --> 01:57:35,900
 I'm just making the observation that you should be,

2330
01:57:36,540 --> 01:57:41,340
 or not you, but the system should be in a process

2331
01:57:41,340 --> 01:57:45,660
 of creating jobs that are sustainable

2332
01:57:45,660 --> 01:57:49,820
 for people to want to live, work, and play in Denton.

2333
01:57:49,820 --> 01:57:51,940
 - Yeah, yes, and I appreciate you.

2334
01:57:51,940 --> 01:57:56,940
 - With that being said, we might want to add that

2335
01:57:56,940 --> 01:58:02,560
 to the context of making sure that everybody is happy

2336
01:58:04,180 --> 01:58:08,260
 and healthy and the job has been created

2337
01:58:08,260 --> 01:58:09,580
 to fit their skill.

2338
01:58:09,580 --> 01:58:12,220
 - Well, thank you for calling me out on that

2339
01:58:12,220 --> 01:58:16,620
 'cause that's not, while I certainly said it,

2340
01:58:16,620 --> 01:58:18,260
 that really wasn't what I meant.

2341
01:58:18,260 --> 01:58:20,500
 It was like we're not creating jobs

2342
01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:22,980
 just for the sake of creating jobs.

2343
01:58:22,980 --> 01:58:26,900
 We wanna create jobs that are meaningful, that employ folks,

2344
01:58:26,900 --> 01:58:31,900
 and that is certainly something that is top of mind at a,

2345
01:58:33,420 --> 01:58:36,420
 I was asked to speak at a chamber event

2346
01:58:36,420 --> 01:58:38,920
 and one of the things that they were doing

2347
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:42,740
 was honoring DCTA for being an employer,

2348
01:58:42,740 --> 01:58:45,260
 a large employer in their city.

2349
01:58:45,260 --> 01:58:49,300
 And job creation, upward mobility for folks,

2350
01:58:49,300 --> 01:58:52,260
 is to the core of what we do and that's what I said.

2351
01:58:52,260 --> 01:58:54,700
 So I appreciate you calling me out on that one

2352
01:58:54,700 --> 01:58:57,620
 because it's not, that was not my intent

2353
01:58:57,620 --> 01:58:59,460
 to make that statement in that way.

2354
01:58:59,460 --> 01:59:00,300
 Thank you.

2355
01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:02,580
 - Anything else?

2356
01:59:03,500 --> 01:59:04,780
 - I was gonna make the same.

2357
01:59:04,780 --> 01:59:08,620
 - The same comment that I recognize DCTA

2358
01:59:08,620 --> 01:59:11,060
 is not a make work program,

2359
01:59:11,060 --> 01:59:15,020
 but there are certainly opportunities to create jobs

2360
01:59:15,020 --> 01:59:19,000
 as we serve more people hopefully in the future.

2361
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:21,580
 - Yes, thank you, thank you for your point.

2362
01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:23,340
 - I'm just, I'm really grateful

2363
01:59:23,340 --> 01:59:26,220
 that we can have a really frank and robust exchange

2364
01:59:26,220 --> 01:59:29,060
 and I look forward to more and I'm very excited

2365
01:59:29,060 --> 01:59:32,020
 about the future of DCTA.

2366
01:59:32,020 --> 01:59:32,860
 Thank you.

2367
01:59:32,860 --> 01:59:33,700
 - Thank you for the time

2368
01:59:33,700 --> 01:59:36,980
 and I very much enjoy this engagement.

2369
01:59:36,980 --> 01:59:39,420
 I think it'll build a better transit system

2370
01:59:39,420 --> 01:59:43,220
 for your community, the more feedback that we get.

2371
01:59:43,220 --> 01:59:48,220
 If anything, I err on providing more than less information.

2372
01:59:48,220 --> 01:59:51,900
 So if you need to, just kind of tell me,

2373
01:59:51,900 --> 01:59:54,860
 okay, we've heard enough because I'm passionate about it

2374
01:59:54,860 --> 01:59:59,060
 and I am very much a, and you can ask our board,

2375
01:59:59,060 --> 02:00:02,240
 I'm very much a believer in servant leadership

2376
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:05,180
 and I always have very direct every morning

2377
02:00:05,180 --> 02:00:08,140
 that I wake up that I serve the Lord,

2378
02:00:08,140 --> 02:00:11,620
 I serve your community, I serve our board

2379
02:00:11,620 --> 02:00:15,180
 and I serve all of our employees and contractors.

2380
02:00:15,180 --> 02:00:18,860
 And I differ very little between whether you work

2381
02:00:18,860 --> 02:00:21,060
 for a contractor or you're a direct employee

2382
02:00:21,060 --> 02:00:24,860
 because we all are here to deliver service to our public.

2383
02:00:24,860 --> 02:00:27,740
 And I appreciate the service that you provide

2384
02:00:27,740 --> 02:00:31,540
 sometimes late into or early into the mornings in serving.

2385
02:00:31,540 --> 02:00:32,940
 And so we're all public servants

2386
02:00:32,940 --> 02:00:34,580
 and I'm passionate about it.

2387
02:00:34,580 --> 02:00:36,840
 - If we're a little cranky, maybe it's lack of sleep.

2388
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:38,260
 (laughing)

2389
02:00:38,260 --> 02:00:39,740
 - Yes, so thank you very much.

2390
02:00:39,740 --> 02:00:40,800
 - Yeah, you're welcome.

2391
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:41,820
 - Mayor Pro Temel--

2392
02:00:41,820 --> 02:00:44,660
 - See what you got yourself into, Brittany.

2393
02:00:44,660 --> 02:00:46,140
 - Mayor Pro Temelzer, if I may,

2394
02:00:46,140 --> 02:00:47,860
 I wanted to address one of the comments

2395
02:00:47,860 --> 02:00:49,940
 that came up during the conversation

2396
02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:53,300
 and it's something Council Member McGuire

2397
02:00:53,300 --> 02:00:55,020
 started out the conversation with

2398
02:00:55,020 --> 02:00:57,020
 and just wanted to let you all know

2399
02:00:57,020 --> 02:00:59,420
 that Mr. Suarez and our team

2400
02:00:59,420 --> 02:01:01,400
 is just now beginning a relationship.

2401
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:03,940
 So I did hear some feedback about

2402
02:01:03,940 --> 02:01:05,340
 not necessarily understanding

2403
02:01:05,340 --> 02:01:06,840
 where all of the construction projects

2404
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:08,940
 are happening amongst the city.

2405
02:01:08,940 --> 02:01:11,220
 And I know you all know that responsiveness

2406
02:01:11,220 --> 02:01:13,940
 and accountability are very important for our department.

2407
02:01:13,940 --> 02:01:15,900
 So I'm gonna request that we set up a meeting

2408
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:17,740
 so we can explain some of the areas

2409
02:01:17,740 --> 02:01:19,300
 of which we actually communicate

2410
02:01:19,300 --> 02:01:21,460
 with our residents and our citizens.

2411
02:01:21,460 --> 02:01:24,740
 I know you're all aware of Discuss Denton,

2412
02:01:24,740 --> 02:01:26,660
 the street construction report.

2413
02:01:26,660 --> 02:01:29,380
 We have monthly coordination meetings

2414
02:01:29,380 --> 02:01:34,380
 with many other folks, DISD, TWU, UNT, TxDOT.

2415
02:01:34,380 --> 02:01:36,540
 I think it's very important

2416
02:01:36,540 --> 02:01:38,980
 that we start those collaborations with DCTA

2417
02:01:38,980 --> 02:01:41,900
 so that they understand where the projects are

2418
02:01:41,900 --> 02:01:43,740
 that our team is delivering

2419
02:01:43,740 --> 02:01:47,220
 or other departments are delivering amongst the city.

2420
02:01:47,220 --> 02:01:51,260
 We are in the process of putting together that CIP map

2421
02:01:51,260 --> 02:01:52,980
 that we've been working through,

2422
02:01:52,980 --> 02:01:56,180
 through the Procore system, our new software system.

2423
02:01:56,180 --> 02:01:57,620
 And then we actually have developed

2424
02:01:57,620 --> 02:02:01,340
 what we call a Racine where we have different levels.

2425
02:02:01,340 --> 02:02:06,260
 Responsibility is the R, accountability is the A,

2426
02:02:06,260 --> 02:02:11,260
 C is the consultant phase, I is the informed phase,

2427
02:02:11,260 --> 02:02:13,660
 or N is the not engaged phase.

2428
02:02:13,660 --> 02:02:16,740
 And we actually sit down in the very beginning of projects

2429
02:02:16,740 --> 02:02:18,820
 and have each internal department.

2430
02:02:18,820 --> 02:02:20,580
 And we're looking to expand that to others

2431
02:02:20,580 --> 02:02:24,340
 such as DCTA, DISD, Atmos, other folks

2432
02:02:24,340 --> 02:02:27,260
 that will be impacted by the projects that are going on

2433
02:02:27,260 --> 02:02:29,700
 so that they can decide at what level

2434
02:02:29,700 --> 02:02:31,300
 they want to be involved in projects.

2435
02:02:31,300 --> 02:02:32,940
 So I take that very much to heart

2436
02:02:32,940 --> 02:02:34,500
 and wanna make sure that they understand

2437
02:02:34,500 --> 02:02:38,100
 where we have construction going on in the city.

2438
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:40,740
 As we know, there are many construction projects

2439
02:02:40,740 --> 02:02:41,740
 that are currently happening.

2440
02:02:41,740 --> 02:02:43,860
 So just wanted to address that.

2441
02:02:43,860 --> 02:02:44,780
 - Thank you so much.

2442
02:02:44,780 --> 02:02:46,020
 - Great, I'm so glad to hear

2443
02:02:46,020 --> 02:02:49,260
 that there will be that increased communication.

2444
02:02:49,260 --> 02:02:51,020
 - Getting better all the time.

2445
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:51,860
 All right. - All right.

2446
02:02:51,860 --> 02:02:53,380
 - Thank you. - Thank you.

2447
02:02:53,380 --> 02:02:56,020
 - How do y'all feel about like a 10 minute break

2448
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:57,420
 before we do the last item?

2449
02:02:57,420 --> 02:02:59,220
 We've been going for a couple hours.

2450
02:02:59,220 --> 02:03:00,740
 Yeah. (laughing)

2451
02:03:00,740 --> 02:03:01,580
 Yeah, okay.

2452
02:03:01,580 --> 02:03:05,020
 So we're gonna adjourn at 11.03.

2453
02:03:05,020 --> 02:03:07,340
 Yeah, we'll say we'll come back at 11.15.

2454
02:03:07,340 --> 02:03:17,700
 Committee, we're coming back off break.

2455
02:03:17,700 --> 02:03:22,220
 We have item D next, staff report

2456
02:03:22,220 --> 02:03:25,420
 which has a bajillion pieces to it.

2457
02:03:25,420 --> 02:03:26,580
 It's just staff report.

2458
02:03:26,580 --> 02:03:29,100
 - Thank you, sir.

2459
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:31,340
 Happy to provide you with an update.

2460
02:03:31,340 --> 02:03:34,260
 So the first thing I wanted to talk about

2461
02:03:34,260 --> 02:03:36,780
 was the US 380 speed limit ordinance.

2462
02:03:36,780 --> 02:03:39,220
 I know y'all heard us discuss this

2463
02:03:39,220 --> 02:03:41,260
 in a few other conversations.

2464
02:03:41,260 --> 02:03:44,060
 It's something that will go before city council

2465
02:03:44,060 --> 02:03:45,460
 next Tuesday.

2466
02:03:45,460 --> 02:03:48,060
 And we have been coordinating and working with TxDOT

2467
02:03:48,060 --> 02:03:50,340
 along with our public works team

2468
02:03:50,340 --> 02:03:54,940
 and along with our traffic division of our police department

2469
02:03:54,940 --> 02:03:58,300
 to look at measures that could be taken along 380

2470
02:03:58,300 --> 02:04:00,860
 east of town in the area of which

2471
02:04:00,860 --> 02:04:03,100
 there's currently a construction project.

2472
02:04:03,100 --> 02:04:05,860
 I know I've mentioned this several times,

2473
02:04:05,860 --> 02:04:08,620
 but just want to remind you that,

2474
02:04:08,620 --> 02:04:11,180
 oh goodness, that's okay.

2475
02:04:11,180 --> 02:04:13,740
 As long as you're okay, we're good.

2476
02:04:13,740 --> 02:04:17,180
 I wanted to mention that from the area,

2477
02:04:17,180 --> 02:04:22,180
 basically I would say east of loop 288 to Rock Hill Road

2478
02:04:22,180 --> 02:04:24,540
 which is within the city limits,

2479
02:04:24,540 --> 02:04:26,500
 there is a bridge, as we're all aware of,

2480
02:04:26,500 --> 02:04:29,460
 that goes over Lake Louisville in that area.

2481
02:04:29,460 --> 02:04:32,780
 TxDOT has looked at measures to currently

2482
02:04:32,780 --> 02:04:35,140
 work on a temporary solution

2483
02:04:35,140 --> 02:04:38,340
 to actually install some type of barrier.

2484
02:04:38,340 --> 02:04:41,300
 And currently that bridge does not have the strength

2485
02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:45,580
 to support either a concrete barrier, a water barrier,

2486
02:04:45,580 --> 02:04:50,580
 or even a tinsel, more of a wire type situation.

2487
02:04:51,420 --> 02:04:56,420
 And so at this time, they're working on improving that bridge

2488
02:04:56,420 --> 02:04:58,940
 to provide the additional support

2489
02:04:58,940 --> 02:05:01,220
 so that they can work through that project.

2490
02:05:01,220 --> 02:05:02,700
 And I know as you're all aware,

2491
02:05:02,700 --> 02:05:05,180
 that's building sidewalks and turn lanes

2492
02:05:05,180 --> 02:05:06,300
 and some additional measures.

2493
02:05:06,300 --> 02:05:09,380
 The city really doesn't have a lot to do with that project

2494
02:05:09,380 --> 02:05:12,580
 except for the standpoint of possible manhole or valves

2495
02:05:12,580 --> 02:05:14,580
 that need to be moved or coordination

2496
02:05:14,580 --> 02:05:15,740
 with our signal department,

2497
02:05:15,740 --> 02:05:17,700
 which James is very familiar with.

2498
02:05:18,580 --> 02:05:21,460
 But what we have worked to do through a speed study

2499
02:05:21,460 --> 02:05:26,020
 that was collected is to, just during construction,

2500
02:05:26,020 --> 02:05:29,660
 lower the speed limit on the section of roadway

2501
02:05:29,660 --> 02:05:31,980
 from Rock Hill to North Roodale.

2502
02:05:31,980 --> 02:05:33,820
 And so we will be lowering the speed limit.

2503
02:05:33,820 --> 02:05:36,980
 It's currently westbound 60 miles per hour

2504
02:05:36,980 --> 02:05:39,740
 and then eastbound 55 miles per hour.

2505
02:05:39,740 --> 02:05:42,380
 So we're gonna be recommending lowering the speed limit

2506
02:05:42,380 --> 02:05:45,180
 to 45 miles per hour during construction

2507
02:05:45,180 --> 02:05:48,300
 to slow folks down in that area.

2508
02:05:48,300 --> 02:05:51,140
 A lot of that is due to the impact

2509
02:05:51,140 --> 02:05:52,540
 and we did the evaluation

2510
02:05:52,540 --> 02:05:55,740
 after there were multiple fatalities in this area.

2511
02:05:55,740 --> 02:05:57,860
 And so just wanted to bring that forward

2512
02:05:57,860 --> 02:05:59,380
 to give you an update on the fact

2513
02:05:59,380 --> 02:06:02,620
 that the ordinance will come to city council

2514
02:06:02,620 --> 02:06:03,740
 on next Tuesday night.

2515
02:06:03,740 --> 02:06:09,140
 The next, oh, yes ma'am.

2516
02:06:09,140 --> 02:06:09,980
 - Any questions?

2517
02:06:09,980 --> 02:06:10,820
 Yeah, Council Member McQuarrie.

2518
02:06:10,820 --> 02:06:13,500
 - Yeah, so thank you so much for this.

2519
02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:16,620
 I think it's a great idea.

2520
02:06:16,620 --> 02:06:19,740
 I would even support maybe making it permanent

2521
02:06:19,740 --> 02:06:21,220
 and not just during construction,

2522
02:06:21,220 --> 02:06:23,660
 but that might be a conversation for another time.

2523
02:06:23,660 --> 02:06:26,420
 Can you tell me a little bit

2524
02:06:26,420 --> 02:06:31,420
 about what the legal constraints or requirements are

2525
02:06:31,420 --> 02:06:36,980
 for the city to set speed limits?

2526
02:06:36,980 --> 02:06:38,900
 And are those different depending on

2527
02:06:38,900 --> 02:06:41,100
 if it's a textile road versus a city road?

2528
02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:45,940
 - Tray, do you wanna speak to the legal requirements?

2529
02:06:45,940 --> 02:06:48,260
 I can speak to the engineering requirements,

2530
02:06:48,260 --> 02:06:50,420
 but not necessarily the legal.

2531
02:06:50,420 --> 02:06:53,460
 The city passes by ordinance the speed limits

2532
02:06:53,460 --> 02:06:55,780
 that are currently included in the backup information.

2533
02:06:55,780 --> 02:06:58,900
 It shows the speed limits of the different roadways.

2534
02:06:58,900 --> 02:07:00,740
 Tech Stop made this request to the city

2535
02:07:00,740 --> 02:07:02,980
 as we're the ones who maintain the speed limit

2536
02:07:02,980 --> 02:07:06,580
 through that area and enforce the speed limit.

2537
02:07:06,580 --> 02:07:09,300
 What we would do just like we would do in this location

2538
02:07:09,300 --> 02:07:10,980
 is actually provide a study

2539
02:07:10,980 --> 02:07:13,660
 that would show what the speed limit is

2540
02:07:13,660 --> 02:07:15,180
 that's traveled in this area.

2541
02:07:15,180 --> 02:07:18,220
 We've received word from the police department

2542
02:07:18,220 --> 02:07:20,460
 that they've had speeds over 100 miles per hour

2543
02:07:20,460 --> 02:07:22,620
 actually clocked in this area.

2544
02:07:22,620 --> 02:07:24,620
 And so what I would mention to you is,

2545
02:07:24,620 --> 02:07:27,340
 and you might remember from our mobility presentation,

2546
02:07:27,340 --> 02:07:30,260
 we're doing a citywide speed limit study.

2547
02:07:30,260 --> 02:07:32,260
 And through that citywide speed study,

2548
02:07:32,260 --> 02:07:34,860
 we're evaluating many different roadways,

2549
02:07:34,860 --> 02:07:36,900
 but those speed limits are set through ordinance.

2550
02:07:36,900 --> 02:07:38,580
 So once that speed study is completed,

2551
02:07:38,580 --> 02:07:41,380
 and that is gonna take a few months to get completed,

2552
02:07:41,380 --> 02:07:43,540
 then we'll be able to look at and reevaluate

2553
02:07:43,540 --> 02:07:45,740
 if there's anything that needs to happen to the ordinance

2554
02:07:45,740 --> 02:07:47,420
 or anything that needs to be updated.

2555
02:07:47,420 --> 02:07:48,540
 And of course, that'll be something

2556
02:07:48,540 --> 02:07:50,500
 that's brought back forward through this board

2557
02:07:50,500 --> 02:07:54,180
 or this committee, and then also through council.

2558
02:07:54,180 --> 02:07:56,700
 But the speed limits are set by ordinance.

2559
02:07:56,700 --> 02:07:59,060
 And if you look in the backup of your ordinance,

2560
02:07:59,060 --> 02:08:01,460
 you'll see a chart and it shows every single roadway

2561
02:08:01,460 --> 02:08:03,780
 with all of the different speed limits.

2562
02:08:03,780 --> 02:08:06,180
 - So, well, I guess my question is,

2563
02:08:06,180 --> 02:08:11,180
 I recognize that setting speed limits is a delicate balance

2564
02:08:11,660 --> 02:08:15,980
 and the engineers need to take into account

2565
02:08:15,980 --> 02:08:18,180
 the design of the road and how fast people

2566
02:08:18,180 --> 02:08:21,340
 actually drive on the road, and setting it too low

2567
02:08:21,340 --> 02:08:25,820
 might not be very effective at preventing speeding.

2568
02:08:25,820 --> 02:08:28,420
 But I guess just from a legal perspective,

2569
02:08:28,420 --> 02:08:31,540
 does council have the authority to just say,

2570
02:08:31,540 --> 02:08:35,940
 I want the speed limit on 380 to be 30 miles an hour?

2571
02:08:35,940 --> 02:08:37,620
 Do we have the legal right to say that?

2572
02:08:37,620 --> 02:08:39,900
 I'm not saying that would be a good idea.

2573
02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:43,100
 - So our team, and I will refer to Trey

2574
02:08:43,100 --> 02:08:45,180
 for the legal authority, but our team

2575
02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:48,620
 would use traffic study data information.

2576
02:08:48,620 --> 02:08:52,620
 We would use traffic engineering principle and practice

2577
02:08:52,620 --> 02:08:54,980
 along with the Texas Municipal.

2578
02:08:54,980 --> 02:09:01,580
 It was the T-M-U-T-C-D, and then also any other

2579
02:09:01,580 --> 02:09:05,100
 AASHTO guidelines as far as roadways go.

2580
02:09:05,100 --> 02:09:08,340
 And we typically look at the 85th percentile of speed,

2581
02:09:08,340 --> 02:09:11,060
 which is the reason why we collect the speed study.

2582
02:09:11,060 --> 02:09:13,540
 But that's really what the goal of this overall

2583
02:09:13,540 --> 02:09:16,500
 city-wide speed study is to do is perform

2584
02:09:16,500 --> 02:09:19,740
 is actually see what the speed limit is,

2585
02:09:19,740 --> 02:09:21,580
 that people are actually traveling

2586
02:09:21,580 --> 02:09:24,100
 in many of these roadway areas.

2587
02:09:24,100 --> 02:09:26,140
 But many of those decisions are made

2588
02:09:26,140 --> 02:09:28,300
 based on the data that's provided

2589
02:09:28,300 --> 02:09:33,180
 and then the traditional cross-section of the roadway

2590
02:09:33,180 --> 02:09:35,700
 and whether or not it's an arterial versus a collector

2591
02:09:35,700 --> 02:09:37,820
 versus a residential street.

2592
02:09:37,820 --> 02:09:40,260
 And those are types of things that would be evaluated.

2593
02:09:40,260 --> 02:09:43,420
 But as far as a legal responsibility,

2594
02:09:43,420 --> 02:09:44,900
 I'll have to refer to Trey

2595
02:09:44,900 --> 02:09:47,060
 as to what our legal responsibility is.

2596
02:09:47,060 --> 02:09:51,220
 - So regarding councils, I mean, it is council

2597
02:09:51,220 --> 02:09:54,820
 that will set the speed limits within the city limits.

2598
02:09:54,820 --> 02:09:58,260
 However, Texas statutes, both the Texas Transportation Code

2599
02:09:58,260 --> 02:10:01,940
 and the Texas Administrative Code put certain requirements

2600
02:10:01,940 --> 02:10:04,100
 on what that speed limit could be.

2601
02:10:04,100 --> 02:10:06,940
 Specifically, the Texas Transportation Code

2602
02:10:06,940 --> 02:10:11,420
 gives a city the authority to set speed limits

2603
02:10:11,420 --> 02:10:14,340
 to the same extent that the Texas Transportation Commission

2604
02:10:14,340 --> 02:10:16,940
 has authority to set speed limits.

2605
02:10:16,940 --> 02:10:20,860
 And with that, the Texas Administrative Code states

2606
02:10:20,860 --> 02:10:25,860
 in rule 25.21 that the city must base any speed zone

2607
02:10:25,860 --> 02:10:28,940
 on a engineering or traffic investigation

2608
02:10:28,940 --> 02:10:30,700
 regardless of the type of speed.

2609
02:10:30,700 --> 02:10:32,860
 So while it is council that says

2610
02:10:32,860 --> 02:10:34,940
 this is what the speed will be on this road,

2611
02:10:34,940 --> 02:10:36,180
 there has to be a basis for it.

2612
02:10:36,180 --> 02:10:37,020
 - Okay, all right.

2613
02:10:37,020 --> 02:10:37,940
 Yeah, that was my question.

2614
02:10:37,940 --> 02:10:42,180
 It can't just be I wanted this and therefore let's pass it.

2615
02:10:42,180 --> 02:10:43,100
 It must be bid.

2616
02:10:43,100 --> 02:10:45,740
 There is a legal requirement that we follow

2617
02:10:45,740 --> 02:10:46,860
 engineering recommendations.

2618
02:10:46,860 --> 02:10:47,700
 Okay, thank you.

2619
02:10:47,700 --> 02:10:51,740
 - Alrighty, so I'll move on.

2620
02:10:51,740 --> 02:10:53,980
 So Curly Street was the next item

2621
02:10:53,980 --> 02:10:55,820
 that's on our staff report.

2622
02:10:55,820 --> 02:10:58,420
 I know Council Member Byrd requested a traffic study

2623
02:10:58,420 --> 02:11:00,020
 for Curly Street.

2624
02:11:00,020 --> 02:11:02,900
 Just to report that that study was conducted

2625
02:11:02,900 --> 02:11:05,660
 August 17th through August 20th.

2626
02:11:05,660 --> 02:11:08,500
 The speeding was observed along Curly Street

2627
02:11:08,500 --> 02:11:13,500
 with 16.9% of the drivers going over the posted speed limit.

2628
02:11:13,500 --> 02:11:15,820
 So traffic operations added flags

2629
02:11:15,820 --> 02:11:17,900
 to the existing speed limit signs

2630
02:11:17,900 --> 02:11:20,020
 that happened on August 26th.

2631
02:11:20,020 --> 02:11:21,540
 And when I say traffic operations,

2632
02:11:21,540 --> 02:11:23,620
 just so you know, the gentleman that you see

2633
02:11:23,620 --> 02:11:26,060
 in the black shirt, that's James Andrews.

2634
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:28,180
 He runs the Traffic Operations Department.

2635
02:11:28,180 --> 02:11:31,780
 And so just so you're aware of who the individual is

2636
02:11:31,780 --> 02:11:34,740
 who's doing all those work that work behind the scenes.

2637
02:11:34,740 --> 02:11:36,580
 The Police Department has been notified

2638
02:11:36,580 --> 02:11:38,580
 and they deployed the driver feedback sign

2639
02:11:38,580 --> 02:11:40,740
 the week of August 30th.

2640
02:11:40,740 --> 02:11:42,980
 The driver feedback signs typically stay

2641
02:11:42,980 --> 02:11:45,020
 in a given location for two to four weeks

2642
02:11:45,020 --> 02:11:49,380
 before being moved to another location across the city.

2643
02:11:49,380 --> 02:11:56,420
 - What is the expected percent to exceed the speed limit?

2644
02:11:56,420 --> 02:11:59,740
 I'm sure it's zero, but I could be wrong.

2645
02:11:59,740 --> 02:12:02,220
 - No, sir.

2646
02:12:03,380 --> 02:12:07,860
 Actually what we look at is the 85th percentile of speed.

2647
02:12:07,860 --> 02:12:09,980
 So when we look at the overall traffic study

2648
02:12:09,980 --> 02:12:11,860
 and that's when we collect that information.

2649
02:12:11,860 --> 02:12:14,580
 Now the driver feedback sign is not going to collect

2650
02:12:14,580 --> 02:12:16,300
 that type of information.

2651
02:12:16,300 --> 02:12:17,140
 That'd actually be something

2652
02:12:17,140 --> 02:12:18,460
 that's done through a traffic study.

2653
02:12:18,460 --> 02:12:22,020
 But we look and evaluate how many individuals

2654
02:12:22,020 --> 02:12:24,060
 are going over the speed limit.

2655
02:12:24,060 --> 02:12:25,580
 So what that percentage is.

2656
02:12:25,580 --> 02:12:27,420
 And then that gives us recommendations

2657
02:12:27,420 --> 02:12:29,620
 as to whether or not we need to evaluate

2658
02:12:29,620 --> 02:12:32,060
 what the speed limit is of that roadway.

2659
02:12:32,060 --> 02:12:35,900
 - So is the normal expectation 15 percent exceed?

2660
02:12:35,900 --> 02:12:38,780
 - That is correct.

2661
02:12:38,780 --> 02:12:41,620
 - And so this was just a hair over that 16.9?

2662
02:12:41,620 --> 02:12:42,460
 - That's correct.

2663
02:12:42,460 --> 02:12:46,220
 And that's the reason why the first measure

2664
02:12:46,220 --> 02:12:48,660
 that we do is deploy the driver feedback sign

2665
02:12:48,660 --> 02:12:51,420
 to see that folks and make them aware

2666
02:12:51,420 --> 02:12:55,580
 and notify that they're driving too fast.

2667
02:12:55,580 --> 02:12:58,580
 And so if we continue to receive complaints

2668
02:12:58,580 --> 02:13:00,460
 that we will look at other measures,

2669
02:13:01,660 --> 02:13:03,860
 there's really kind of a step of actions

2670
02:13:03,860 --> 02:13:07,820
 that we play through on those particular situations.

2671
02:13:07,820 --> 02:13:09,740
 - It's a stunning indictment of the state of morals

2672
02:13:09,740 --> 02:13:10,580
 in our society.

2673
02:13:10,580 --> 02:13:13,820
 - I didn't hear you, I'm sorry.

2674
02:13:13,820 --> 02:13:14,660
 - That's all right.

2675
02:13:14,660 --> 02:13:15,500
 Keep going.

2676
02:13:15,500 --> 02:13:17,620
 Alison got it.

2677
02:13:17,620 --> 02:13:21,700
 - Can I interject here for just a moment?

2678
02:13:21,700 --> 02:13:26,700
 So 16.9 percent, and because it's over 15 percent,

2679
02:13:26,700 --> 02:13:31,380
 then that enacted the feedback signs.

2680
02:13:31,380 --> 02:13:34,060
 Are we taking any kind of data

2681
02:13:34,060 --> 02:13:35,780
 while the feedback signs are out

2682
02:13:35,780 --> 02:13:38,900
 for those two to four weeks?

2683
02:13:38,900 --> 02:13:40,740
 - We can--

2684
02:13:40,740 --> 02:13:42,620
 - To see whether or not it's actually working.

2685
02:13:42,620 --> 02:13:46,540
 - We can take additional data and do additional studies.

2686
02:13:46,540 --> 02:13:48,140
 This is really kind of the next steps

2687
02:13:48,140 --> 02:13:52,100
 is we've taken the opportunity to deploy

2688
02:13:52,100 --> 02:13:56,620
 the actual driver feedback signs within this location.

2689
02:13:56,620 --> 02:14:00,380
 And so really what the goal is with that

2690
02:14:00,380 --> 02:14:02,580
 is to try to alert drivers.

2691
02:14:02,580 --> 02:14:04,820
 If the problem continues to exist,

2692
02:14:04,820 --> 02:14:08,020
 then we would look at possibly doing another traffic study

2693
02:14:08,020 --> 02:14:10,780
 or just going to the next measure

2694
02:14:10,780 --> 02:14:12,860
 with some type of traffic calming,

2695
02:14:12,860 --> 02:14:14,780
 if necessary, in that area.

2696
02:14:14,780 --> 02:14:18,660
 And it's right on the cusp of being right over that 15 percent.

2697
02:14:18,660 --> 02:14:23,540
 - Okay, because I'm just thinking

2698
02:14:23,540 --> 02:14:26,140
 about just Curly Street at this point.

2699
02:14:27,300 --> 02:14:32,300
 That street is kind of deemed as a through street.

2700
02:14:32,300 --> 02:14:34,700
 - Okay.

2701
02:14:34,700 --> 02:14:36,980
 - There's not very many homes on that street

2702
02:14:36,980 --> 02:14:38,300
 where people are just,

2703
02:14:38,300 --> 02:14:39,860
 and there's a little neighborhood in there,

2704
02:14:39,860 --> 02:14:44,860
 but it's very close to Colorado or Woodrow or Shady Oaks.

2705
02:14:44,860 --> 02:14:50,580
 As it's coming out, it's kind of close to Shady Oaks.

2706
02:14:50,580 --> 02:14:51,980
 Is that Shady Oaks or Shady Shores?

2707
02:14:51,980 --> 02:14:53,220
 I always get those confused.

2708
02:14:53,220 --> 02:14:55,220
 I'm sorry, you don't have to answer that.

2709
02:14:56,820 --> 02:14:58,340
 But the question is,

2710
02:14:58,340 --> 02:15:01,860
 if you're looking at it like a through street,

2711
02:15:01,860 --> 02:15:02,940
 you know, that's the issue,

2712
02:15:02,940 --> 02:15:07,580
 that Moore Street and Curly Street are through streets.

2713
02:15:07,580 --> 02:15:12,580
 So I don't think that it's necessarily conditioning people

2714
02:15:12,580 --> 02:15:15,460
 to slow down through there

2715
02:15:15,460 --> 02:15:18,140
 if you're getting a variety of people all the time.

2716
02:15:18,140 --> 02:15:20,900
 It's not like it's the neighborhood people.

2717
02:15:20,900 --> 02:15:22,820
 The neighborhood people are the people

2718
02:15:22,820 --> 02:15:27,500
 that are complaining about the fast traffic

2719
02:15:27,500 --> 02:15:28,940
 coming through there.

2720
02:15:28,940 --> 02:15:32,220
 So how do we address that

2721
02:15:32,220 --> 02:15:36,620
 if we're just putting out the signs for two to four weeks,

2722
02:15:36,620 --> 02:15:38,300
 we take them up,

2723
02:15:38,300 --> 02:15:41,060
 but we're still getting just random people

2724
02:15:41,060 --> 02:15:43,220
 coming through there, you know, like that?

2725
02:15:43,220 --> 02:15:45,780
 - Sure, so if we continue to receive complaints

2726
02:15:45,780 --> 02:15:47,500
 or have concerns in that area,

2727
02:15:47,500 --> 02:15:49,820
 and the PD will also be doing monitoring

2728
02:15:49,820 --> 02:15:52,380
 where they put up driver feedback signs many times,

2729
02:15:52,380 --> 02:15:55,340
 they increase their enforcement in those areas also.

2730
02:15:55,340 --> 02:15:56,780
 So after the two to four weeks,

2731
02:15:56,780 --> 02:15:58,500
 we'll reevaluate the situation,

2732
02:15:58,500 --> 02:16:00,900
 see if anything needs to be,

2733
02:16:00,900 --> 02:16:02,460
 any additional improvement measures

2734
02:16:02,460 --> 02:16:05,100
 or traffic calming devices need to be installed

2735
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:06,340
 in that area.

2736
02:16:06,340 --> 02:16:08,380
 And that's what our team will evaluate.

2737
02:16:08,380 --> 02:16:10,900
 We'll also work with traffic operations to see,

2738
02:16:10,900 --> 02:16:12,500
 you know, from what their point of view,

2739
02:16:12,500 --> 02:16:14,460
 if they have any additional feedback,

2740
02:16:14,460 --> 02:16:16,340
 and we work together with the operations

2741
02:16:16,340 --> 02:16:17,780
 and the engineering team to see

2742
02:16:17,780 --> 02:16:20,820
 if there's any additional improvement measures we can make.

2743
02:16:20,820 --> 02:16:24,340
 So this is really, it's kind of a stepped tiered situation,

2744
02:16:24,340 --> 02:16:26,180
 so we've gone through kind of those steps

2745
02:16:26,180 --> 02:16:30,580
 of putting up the additional flags

2746
02:16:30,580 --> 02:16:34,700
 on the additional, on the existing speed limit signs,

2747
02:16:34,700 --> 02:16:36,900
 deploying the driver feedback signs,

2748
02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:39,700
 take some time to get that deployed,

2749
02:16:39,700 --> 02:16:41,180
 let it sit in a current location.

2750
02:16:41,180 --> 02:16:45,020
 If we continue to hear negative feedback or input

2751
02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:47,980
 that says, hey, individuals are still speeding in this area,

2752
02:16:47,980 --> 02:16:50,340
 then we'll work for additional traffic calming measures.

2753
02:16:50,340 --> 02:16:52,500
 - So when you're continuing to hear,

2754
02:16:52,500 --> 02:16:55,660
 are we talking about maybe about another month or two?

2755
02:16:55,660 --> 02:16:57,500
 You know, to get some feedback

2756
02:16:57,500 --> 02:16:59,260
 from the residents in the area?

2757
02:16:59,260 --> 02:17:01,780
 You say, if we continue to hear,

2758
02:17:01,780 --> 02:17:03,940
 is that gonna be, you know, just like a couple of weeks,

2759
02:17:03,940 --> 02:17:06,460
 or three weeks, or five weeks, or what?

2760
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:09,220
 - Well, we absolutely work with our friends

2761
02:17:09,220 --> 02:17:10,380
 at the police department,

2762
02:17:10,380 --> 02:17:11,620
 and we meet with them monthly,

2763
02:17:11,620 --> 02:17:13,780
 depending on if they have feedback on,

2764
02:17:13,780 --> 02:17:16,980
 hey, we deployed a driver feedback sign in this area.

2765
02:17:16,980 --> 02:17:18,460
 Through that timeframe, you know,

2766
02:17:18,460 --> 02:17:21,860
 we had this many tickets that were given,

2767
02:17:21,860 --> 02:17:25,820
 or this many enforcement issues that happened.

2768
02:17:25,820 --> 02:17:27,540
 So we receive that data,

2769
02:17:27,540 --> 02:17:31,020
 and then we also, if we receive continuous input,

2770
02:17:31,020 --> 02:17:34,380
 or, you know, results from the residents,

2771
02:17:34,380 --> 02:17:37,420
 or even council, et cetera,

2772
02:17:37,420 --> 02:17:40,140
 you know, wherever the information comes from,

2773
02:17:40,140 --> 02:17:42,060
 engaged it in requests many times.

2774
02:17:42,060 --> 02:17:44,060
 If we continue to hear that,

2775
02:17:44,060 --> 02:17:45,900
 then we look for what those next measures are.

2776
02:17:45,900 --> 02:17:47,940
 So it does take a couple of months,

2777
02:17:47,940 --> 02:17:51,100
 and so I would anticipate, you know,

2778
02:17:51,100 --> 02:17:54,780
 towards basically this information,

2779
02:17:54,780 --> 02:17:56,660
 and I have not checked myself,

2780
02:17:56,660 --> 02:17:57,700
 but I absolutely can to see

2781
02:17:57,700 --> 02:18:00,740
 if those driver feedback signs have been picked up.

2782
02:18:00,740 --> 02:18:03,100
 So if they have, then we will talk with PDE

2783
02:18:03,100 --> 02:18:04,460
 to find out if there's additional things

2784
02:18:04,460 --> 02:18:06,140
 that they've received information on.

2785
02:18:06,140 --> 02:18:08,380
 You yourself, if you've received additional feedback,

2786
02:18:08,380 --> 02:18:10,900
 and then we'll start looking at what are those next steps.

2787
02:18:10,900 --> 02:18:12,100
 - Okay.

2788
02:18:12,100 --> 02:18:13,300
 I'm sure they'll call me.

2789
02:18:13,300 --> 02:18:16,980
 - And I haven't driven curly,

2790
02:18:16,980 --> 02:18:18,420
 but I absolutely can to see

2791
02:18:18,420 --> 02:18:20,260
 if that driver feedback sign's still out there,

2792
02:18:20,260 --> 02:18:22,020
 so I don't know the answer to that.

2793
02:18:22,020 --> 02:18:24,940
 Haven't driven it.

2794
02:18:24,940 --> 02:18:26,540
 - I'll go over there today and let you know.

2795
02:18:26,540 --> 02:18:27,380
 - Okay, perfect.

2796
02:18:27,380 --> 02:18:28,380
 That would be fantastic.

2797
02:18:28,380 --> 02:18:32,020
 Alrighty, so the next item

2798
02:18:32,020 --> 02:18:34,220
 is the Morris Street traffic calming solution.

2799
02:18:34,220 --> 02:18:37,700
 So similar to the situation we just discussed on curly,

2800
02:18:37,700 --> 02:18:40,900
 I know that Morris has been a street

2801
02:18:40,900 --> 02:18:43,740
 where there's been concerns about speeding.

2802
02:18:43,740 --> 02:18:46,460
 So staff is currently evaluating Morris Street

2803
02:18:46,460 --> 02:18:48,860
 to determine potential traffic calming measures

2804
02:18:48,860 --> 02:18:50,340
 and what should be put in place.

2805
02:18:50,340 --> 02:18:54,420
 So as you know, and you've seen actually the data

2806
02:18:54,420 --> 02:18:56,140
 that we've given you with a flyer

2807
02:18:56,140 --> 02:18:58,260
 that shows, Council Member Byrd,

2808
02:18:58,260 --> 02:18:59,700
 the different traffic calming measures.

2809
02:18:59,700 --> 02:19:03,300
 So we're looking to see what might be best in this area.

2810
02:19:03,300 --> 02:19:04,620
 There's many things we can look at,

2811
02:19:04,620 --> 02:19:06,740
 whether we do some type of roadway diet,

2812
02:19:06,740 --> 02:19:08,540
 add additional stop signs,

2813
02:19:08,540 --> 02:19:12,940
 and several other measures that can take place.

2814
02:19:12,940 --> 02:19:17,540
 So we're looking at the placement of the speed radar sign,

2815
02:19:17,540 --> 02:19:18,900
 and we've already taken care of that,

2816
02:19:18,900 --> 02:19:20,820
 where you were concerned that it was too close

2817
02:19:20,820 --> 02:19:23,180
 to the stop sign on Morris Street.

2818
02:19:23,180 --> 02:19:26,380
 So we did receive confirmation from the police department,

2819
02:19:26,380 --> 02:19:28,180
 and that was back in September,

2820
02:19:28,180 --> 02:19:29,380
 that they did move that sign.

2821
02:19:29,380 --> 02:19:31,380
 But we're currently working through that evaluation

2822
02:19:31,380 --> 02:19:34,140
 as to what is the best next steps.

2823
02:19:34,140 --> 02:19:36,940
 I will also mention that on both of these streets,

2824
02:19:36,940 --> 02:19:38,420
 we're also wanting to coordinate

2825
02:19:38,420 --> 02:19:41,220
 with the current bond program that's in that area

2826
02:19:41,220 --> 02:19:42,900
 to make sure nothing that we installed

2827
02:19:42,900 --> 02:19:44,820
 would be something that would then be removed

2828
02:19:44,820 --> 02:19:46,500
 as a part of the bond program.

2829
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:48,260
 So there's a lot of collaboration going on

2830
02:19:48,260 --> 02:19:49,820
 between the existing condition

2831
02:19:49,820 --> 02:19:52,100
 and then the future bond program projects.

2832
02:19:52,100 --> 02:19:58,020
 - It just seems like it's coming pretty close.

2833
02:19:58,020 --> 02:20:00,660
 I know the bond program is getting ready to get started.

2834
02:20:00,660 --> 02:20:02,100
 - Yes, ma'am. - Starting that up,

2835
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:04,660
 and so we'll have to explain to the residents there

2836
02:20:04,660 --> 02:20:06,820
 that you're not seeing anything

2837
02:20:06,820 --> 02:20:08,740
 because something big is coming.

2838
02:20:08,740 --> 02:20:10,780
 - Sure. - So maybe after,

2839
02:20:10,780 --> 02:20:13,220
 you know, after it's part of the bond,

2840
02:20:13,220 --> 02:20:16,740
 you know, when it's time to lay the street back down,

2841
02:20:16,740 --> 02:20:20,140
 those calming measures could be added at that time.

2842
02:20:20,140 --> 02:20:22,500
 - Sure, and that's part of what we want to evaluate

2843
02:20:22,500 --> 02:20:24,780
 is looking at, you know, what makes sense.

2844
02:20:24,780 --> 02:20:27,140
 Like I mentioned, we are not necessarily wanting

2845
02:20:27,140 --> 02:20:29,940
 to put something down that would then be removed

2846
02:20:29,940 --> 02:20:33,140
 as a part of the roadway being replaced.

2847
02:20:33,140 --> 02:20:36,100
 But we will work and do work with traffic operations

2848
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:37,940
 to install signage.

2849
02:20:38,820 --> 02:20:41,900
 And so definitely that close coordination

2850
02:20:41,900 --> 02:20:44,180
 is very critical in this area,

2851
02:20:44,180 --> 02:20:46,780
 being that the construction is, you know,

2852
02:20:46,780 --> 02:20:50,140
 it's on the heels of working through that design process

2853
02:20:50,140 --> 02:20:51,940
 and then moving on to construction.

2854
02:20:51,940 --> 02:20:56,180
 Oak Street, so Mayor Perot and Malter,

2855
02:20:56,180 --> 02:20:58,220
 I know this is not going to make you happy, sir,

2856
02:20:58,220 --> 02:21:01,420
 but I know you ask about Oak Street continuously.

2857
02:21:01,420 --> 02:21:05,420
 - I was feeling happy because you had it on the list, so okay.

2858
02:21:05,420 --> 02:21:09,740
 So Oak Street is currently not anticipated

2859
02:21:09,740 --> 02:21:12,620
 to be part of any roadway reconstruction

2860
02:21:12,620 --> 02:21:15,060
 or roadway maintenance project.

2861
02:21:15,060 --> 02:21:16,820
 - Why is it considered acceptable?

2862
02:21:16,820 --> 02:21:23,100
 - Well, the roadway at the time of construction,

2863
02:21:23,100 --> 02:21:24,500
 I mean, I know I've mentioned this to you,

2864
02:21:24,500 --> 02:21:26,700
 did not follow the same standards

2865
02:21:26,700 --> 02:21:29,780
 that the city has now moved to.

2866
02:21:29,780 --> 02:21:34,380
 And so at this point, it's not a part of a project.

2867
02:21:34,380 --> 02:21:35,660
 It doesn't have funding,

2868
02:21:35,660 --> 02:21:39,020
 and it's not a part of that overall roadway construction,

2869
02:21:39,020 --> 02:21:41,020
 whether it's part of a bond program

2870
02:21:41,020 --> 02:21:42,140
 or a maintenance program,

2871
02:21:42,140 --> 02:21:45,980
 which Danny Kramer, our Deputy Director of Operations,

2872
02:21:45,980 --> 02:21:47,860
 is currently leading.

2873
02:21:47,860 --> 02:21:50,780
 So in the grand scheme and the scale

2874
02:21:50,780 --> 02:21:53,060
 of all the projects amongst the city,

2875
02:21:53,060 --> 02:21:55,100
 it's not currently one that's currently slated

2876
02:21:55,100 --> 02:21:57,140
 for either a maintenance

2877
02:21:57,140 --> 02:21:59,020
 or a construction project at this time.

2878
02:22:01,420 --> 02:22:04,700
 - I heard there's some conversation about potential

2879
02:22:04,700 --> 02:22:07,940
 for another bond at some point.

2880
02:22:07,940 --> 02:22:09,180
 - Sure.

2881
02:22:09,180 --> 02:22:10,820
 - When would you anticipate that to be,

2882
02:22:10,820 --> 02:22:14,980
 and do you think that Oak Street is just great as it is,

2883
02:22:14,980 --> 02:22:17,620
 or do you think that'd be a candidate for a future bond?

2884
02:22:17,620 --> 02:22:20,060
 - I'm not sure what would be included

2885
02:22:20,060 --> 02:22:21,300
 in a future bond package,

2886
02:22:21,300 --> 02:22:24,300
 but I know that it could be a roadway.

2887
02:22:24,300 --> 02:22:27,140
 It could be, you know, there are many different things

2888
02:22:27,140 --> 02:22:30,500
 that could be a part of a future bond package,

2889
02:22:30,500 --> 02:22:32,620
 but I think that at that time,

2890
02:22:32,620 --> 02:22:36,020
 we'll use the same type of criteria

2891
02:22:36,020 --> 02:22:38,420
 that was put forward in the other bond programs

2892
02:22:38,420 --> 02:22:40,660
 as looking at the overall OCI,

2893
02:22:40,660 --> 02:22:43,660
 and I know that's something that Danny evaluates

2894
02:22:43,660 --> 02:22:45,260
 when he looks at the overall OCIs,

2895
02:22:45,260 --> 02:22:46,420
 and then from there,

2896
02:22:46,420 --> 02:22:49,980
 which is the overall condition index of the roadway,

2897
02:22:49,980 --> 02:22:51,780
 from there, then those roadways are selected

2898
02:22:51,780 --> 02:22:55,540
 as a part of an overall bond program, so.

2899
02:22:55,540 --> 02:22:58,060
 - Can you remind me how the OCI on Oak Street

2900
02:22:58,060 --> 02:23:02,700
 compares to other, you know,

2901
02:23:02,700 --> 02:23:07,340
 candidate segments that are not part of any plans today?

2902
02:23:07,340 --> 02:23:11,820
 - I'm sorry, sir, I don't remember the OCI

2903
02:23:11,820 --> 02:23:13,220
 that was of this roadway.

2904
02:23:13,220 --> 02:23:16,740
 I know we reported that in the report last month.

2905
02:23:16,740 --> 02:23:19,620
 I do believe the OCI did drop,

2906
02:23:19,620 --> 02:23:22,180
 but I don't remember the actual OCI score

2907
02:23:22,180 --> 02:23:24,700
 in comparison to other roadways,

2908
02:23:25,780 --> 02:23:29,540
 or where it actually stands within the current bond program,

2909
02:23:29,540 --> 02:23:31,260
 but we can look into that information

2910
02:23:31,260 --> 02:23:32,700
 and report back to you.

2911
02:23:32,700 --> 02:23:35,340
 - And when might we be looking

2912
02:23:35,340 --> 02:23:40,140
 at bringing another bond package proposal to council?

2913
02:23:40,140 --> 02:23:41,900
 - I am not sure of that timing.

2914
02:23:41,900 --> 02:23:46,060
 - Yeah, it's disgraceful.

2915
02:23:46,060 --> 02:23:47,820
 I'll just leave it at that.

2916
02:23:47,820 --> 02:23:49,820
 I know you've got other items to cover.

2917
02:23:51,420 --> 02:23:55,980
 - I have a general question about OCI

2918
02:23:55,980 --> 02:24:00,380
 and, you know, how staff decides

2919
02:24:00,380 --> 02:24:02,420
 what streets end up in a bond package.

2920
02:24:02,420 --> 02:24:07,420
 Is OCI the only measure or are other issues

2921
02:24:07,420 --> 02:24:14,420
 like needing expansion or needing curbs and gutters?

2922
02:24:14,420 --> 02:24:16,820
 Are those types of things also included

2923
02:24:16,820 --> 02:24:18,820
 in the consideration of whether something

2924
02:24:18,820 --> 02:24:22,460
 makes it onto a bond package?

2925
02:24:22,460 --> 02:24:24,180
 - I currently have not been a part

2926
02:24:24,180 --> 02:24:27,580
 of any of the bond packages that have been put together,

2927
02:24:27,580 --> 02:24:31,460
 but I can explain that OCI is the trigger that is used

2928
02:24:31,460 --> 02:24:34,860
 in the last bond packages that have been put together

2929
02:24:34,860 --> 02:24:36,660
 based on the information I have.

2930
02:24:36,660 --> 02:24:38,260
 I'll let Danny expand.

2931
02:24:38,260 --> 02:24:40,540
 I will tell you from staff's perspective

2932
02:24:40,540 --> 02:24:42,420
 and the way that we started looking at projects

2933
02:24:42,420 --> 02:24:44,500
 from a more holistic approach

2934
02:24:44,500 --> 02:24:47,900
 as to whether or not utilities has projects in the area

2935
02:24:47,900 --> 02:24:49,420
 that need to be replaced,

2936
02:24:49,420 --> 02:24:52,020
 whether or not there's street lights or sidewalks.

2937
02:24:52,020 --> 02:24:53,140
 There's many other components

2938
02:24:53,140 --> 02:24:54,900
 that are currently being evaluated.

2939
02:24:54,900 --> 02:24:58,900
 In the current bond package that we have,

2940
02:24:58,900 --> 02:25:02,380
 drainage, sidewalks are not things that were evaluated,

2941
02:25:02,380 --> 02:25:04,140
 but I think if we were to move forward

2942
02:25:04,140 --> 02:25:05,980
 with a bond program in the future,

2943
02:25:05,980 --> 02:25:08,540
 we would be looking at it from a little bit different lens,

2944
02:25:08,540 --> 02:25:11,420
 which is more of a, as you see currently,

2945
02:25:11,420 --> 02:25:12,900
 the neighborhood approach,

2946
02:25:12,900 --> 02:25:15,140
 but then also more of a holistic approach

2947
02:25:15,140 --> 02:25:17,340
 of what are other things that need to happen

2948
02:25:17,340 --> 02:25:20,180
 minus just resurfacing the roadway

2949
02:25:20,180 --> 02:25:21,740
 or reconstructing the roadway,

2950
02:25:21,740 --> 02:25:24,300
 but I'll let Danny Kramer speak to specifically

2951
02:25:24,300 --> 02:25:26,660
 how the current bond program was put together.

2952
02:25:26,660 --> 02:25:30,380
 - Kind of some of the ways that we looked at it

2953
02:25:30,380 --> 02:25:33,020
 was just the, we started with the OCI,

2954
02:25:33,020 --> 02:25:35,340
 and what that does is help us narrow it down

2955
02:25:35,340 --> 02:25:37,060
 to a better group.

2956
02:25:37,060 --> 02:25:38,900
 As you mentioned, the expansion,

2957
02:25:38,900 --> 02:25:43,900
 a lot of those are done as individual CIP projects.

2958
02:25:43,900 --> 02:25:45,900
 Those are picked out for the maintenance side.

2959
02:25:45,900 --> 02:25:48,780
 Mostly it's based on OCI as a starting.

2960
02:25:48,780 --> 02:25:50,500
 Now we'll pull a list together

2961
02:25:50,500 --> 02:25:52,740
 and usually go out and do field visits

2962
02:25:52,740 --> 02:25:54,580
 on that whole list of where we're at,

2963
02:25:54,580 --> 02:25:58,500
 just doing spot checks, verifications,

2964
02:25:58,500 --> 02:26:00,860
 and seeing where everything is and going from there,

2965
02:26:00,860 --> 02:26:03,020
 and then we discuss with the bond committee

2966
02:26:03,020 --> 02:26:07,900
 on some of the issues there and what our recommendations are.

2967
02:26:07,900 --> 02:26:12,900
 As stated, OCI is a big front runner,

2968
02:26:13,140 --> 02:26:15,900
 and it is not the only one that we do,

2969
02:26:15,900 --> 02:26:18,900
 but we also look at different traffic patterns

2970
02:26:18,900 --> 02:26:23,260
 and stuff in the areas to try to figure out

2971
02:26:23,260 --> 02:26:28,140
 what is the best direction forward for the city

2972
02:26:28,140 --> 02:26:29,940
 and where we can help out with that.

2973
02:26:29,940 --> 02:26:34,580
 - Yeah, that's helpful, and I guess I should clarify

2974
02:26:34,580 --> 02:26:36,840
 what I'm thinking about as I ask that.

2975
02:26:36,840 --> 02:26:40,680
 I'm thinking about residents' concerns

2976
02:26:40,680 --> 02:26:43,820
 that were brought up last night about Highland Park Road.

2977
02:26:43,820 --> 02:26:45,340
 I'm not sure.

2978
02:26:45,340 --> 02:26:47,460
 I'd have to think about maybe the northern part

2979
02:26:47,460 --> 02:26:52,460
 of Highland Park Road might have an OCI that's concerning,

2980
02:26:52,460 --> 02:26:54,900
 but the southern part really doesn't.

2981
02:26:54,900 --> 02:26:58,460
 It's not the OCI that's the problem, I don't think,

2982
02:26:58,460 --> 02:26:59,740
 with Highland Park Road,

2983
02:26:59,740 --> 02:27:04,340
 so I wanna make sure that we're looking at other metrics

2984
02:27:04,340 --> 02:27:08,780
 that could trigger either CIP spending

2985
02:27:08,780 --> 02:27:11,900
 or a bond project or something.

2986
02:27:11,900 --> 02:27:14,300
 - One thing I do wanna say on the curbs and gutters

2987
02:27:14,300 --> 02:27:16,260
 is when we install curbs and gutters,

2988
02:27:16,260 --> 02:27:18,580
 it's not just putting the curb and gutter up.

2989
02:27:18,580 --> 02:27:22,180
 That's also the drainage infrastructure underneath.

2990
02:27:22,180 --> 02:27:25,820
 Highland Park, for example, does have roadway ditches,

2991
02:27:25,820 --> 02:27:27,220
 is how it's set up for drainage,

2992
02:27:27,220 --> 02:27:30,460
 and in order to properly install curbs and gutters,

2993
02:27:30,460 --> 02:27:32,060
 we would have to put a drainage system under

2994
02:27:32,060 --> 02:27:33,220
 to convey the same water,

2995
02:27:33,220 --> 02:27:36,940
 which drainage is probably one

2996
02:27:36,940 --> 02:27:39,780
 of the most expensive infrastructures to put in place,

2997
02:27:39,780 --> 02:27:42,580
 so that's another factor we have to look in on those.

2998
02:27:42,580 --> 02:27:45,660
 - Right, which is why I'm thinking about bond funding

2999
02:27:45,660 --> 02:27:46,940
 for that, because I recognize

3000
02:27:46,940 --> 02:27:49,700
 that's going to be a very expensive project.

3001
02:27:49,700 --> 02:27:51,180
 Thank you. - Yep.

3002
02:27:51,180 --> 02:27:53,500
 - Just a couple points to add to that.

3003
02:27:53,500 --> 02:27:55,740
 As the roadways are selected,

3004
02:27:55,740 --> 02:27:59,260
 keep in mind that's a very big project and purpose

3005
02:27:59,260 --> 02:28:02,460
 of the bond committee, and part of their charge

3006
02:28:02,460 --> 02:28:04,420
 is to look through and talk about

3007
02:28:04,420 --> 02:28:07,220
 what is the best way to move forward.

3008
02:28:07,220 --> 02:28:10,300
 I am not aware of when another roadway bond

3009
02:28:10,300 --> 02:28:13,700
 package might come forward.

3010
02:28:13,700 --> 02:28:16,620
 I know it could be within the next couple of years,

3011
02:28:16,620 --> 02:28:19,460
 but I'm currently hearing that we could be looking

3012
02:28:19,460 --> 02:28:22,780
 at more of parks and drainage-type projects,

3013
02:28:22,780 --> 02:28:24,620
 and the other thing I just wanted to mention

3014
02:28:24,620 --> 02:28:26,580
 so that I can kind of come full circle

3015
02:28:26,580 --> 02:28:27,980
 and be able to explain,

3016
02:28:27,980 --> 02:28:31,340
 that is the reason why it's so important

3017
02:28:31,340 --> 02:28:33,260
 that we look at the mobility plan

3018
02:28:33,260 --> 02:28:35,820
 and look at that multimodal approach.

3019
02:28:35,820 --> 02:28:38,500
 We will take the mobility plan when we're working

3020
02:28:38,500 --> 02:28:41,020
 and doing the capital planning,

3021
02:28:41,020 --> 02:28:44,620
 along with moving forward with a stormwater master plan,

3022
02:28:44,620 --> 02:28:46,900
 which in many areas, as Danny mentioned,

3023
02:28:46,900 --> 02:28:49,380
 the Highland Park roadway project is, you know,

3024
02:28:49,380 --> 02:28:51,820
 majority a drainage project.

3025
02:28:51,820 --> 02:28:55,060
 We will be looking at roadway infrastructure

3026
02:28:55,060 --> 02:28:57,740
 that we would recommend as a part of a CIP

3027
02:28:57,740 --> 02:29:02,300
 to be put in a bond program or a capital improvement program

3028
02:29:02,300 --> 02:29:03,980
 for the future.

3029
02:29:03,980 --> 02:29:05,860
 It could be projects like Highland Park,

3030
02:29:05,860 --> 02:29:08,100
 where it maybe doesn't meet the cross-section

3031
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:12,340
 and it has a lot of travel in that area or other roadways,

3032
02:29:12,340 --> 02:29:13,740
 and I think that's what you'll see,

3033
02:29:13,740 --> 02:29:16,660
 and that's really the purpose of that mobility plan,

3034
02:29:16,660 --> 02:29:20,300
 is to help allow for projects that explain

3035
02:29:20,300 --> 02:29:22,220
 what is the purpose of that roadway,

3036
02:29:22,220 --> 02:29:24,900
 what is the cross-section, what is the classification,

3037
02:29:24,900 --> 02:29:26,580
 and are we meeting the mark,

3038
02:29:26,580 --> 02:29:28,340
 or are there improvements that need to be made?

3039
02:29:28,340 --> 02:29:30,460
 So it's really from that plan phase

3040
02:29:30,460 --> 02:29:31,620
 all the way through the design,

3041
02:29:31,620 --> 02:29:34,340
 and then ultimately getting us to construction.

3042
02:29:34,340 --> 02:29:37,620
 - Can you just sort of touch tangentially on Highland Park,

3043
02:29:37,620 --> 02:29:41,060
 and, you know, naturally we're gonna need to talk about it,

3044
02:29:41,060 --> 02:29:44,340
 but is that, I mean, I was gonna touch on it

3045
02:29:44,340 --> 02:29:48,100
 under future items for mobility committee.

3046
02:29:48,100 --> 02:29:48,940
 Is that basically it?

3047
02:29:48,940 --> 02:29:52,940
 It's gonna get addressed through the mobility plan?

3048
02:29:52,940 --> 02:29:58,940
 How are you, did you hear the discussion last night?

3049
02:29:58,940 --> 02:30:00,300
 I think you were there.

3050
02:30:00,300 --> 02:30:01,860
 - Yes, sir, I was present.

3051
02:30:01,860 --> 02:30:07,540
 As far as the Highland Park roadway,

3052
02:30:07,540 --> 02:30:10,500
 we are going to be evaluating the information

3053
02:30:10,500 --> 02:30:13,340
 that was presented to us last night.

3054
02:30:13,340 --> 02:30:18,580
 You may not, or may be aware of the fact that we also,

3055
02:30:18,580 --> 02:30:20,140
 well, I know Council Member McGuire is,

3056
02:30:20,140 --> 02:30:22,180
 because she was there with us,

3057
02:30:22,180 --> 02:30:25,540
 but we actually have been receiving this information

3058
02:30:25,540 --> 02:30:27,940
 probably for the last six weeks.

3059
02:30:27,940 --> 02:30:30,580
 We did attend the Denia Neighborhood meeting

3060
02:30:30,580 --> 02:30:34,420
 last month on September 27th,

3061
02:30:34,420 --> 02:30:37,380
 and we've been requested to attend the meeting

3062
02:30:37,380 --> 02:30:40,700
 that actually is this Monday night, the 25th.

3063
02:30:40,700 --> 02:30:44,820
 Our team has worked with the Denia Neighborhood Association

3064
02:30:44,820 --> 02:30:48,180
 to put together a presentation of multiple departments.

3065
02:30:48,180 --> 02:30:50,460
 Rachel and her team are gonna be delivering

3066
02:30:50,460 --> 02:30:54,460
 the capital projects in the area.

3067
02:30:54,460 --> 02:30:55,940
 Danny and his team are gonna be looking

3068
02:30:55,940 --> 02:30:57,220
 at maintenance and operation.

3069
02:30:57,220 --> 02:30:59,620
 There'll be an individual from the development team

3070
02:30:59,620 --> 02:31:02,300
 that'll be talking about development in the area,

3071
02:31:02,300 --> 02:31:04,300
 and then also from the Parks Department.

3072
02:31:04,300 --> 02:31:07,100
 And the goal with that is to produce the boundaries

3073
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:12,100
 of really Bonnie Bray to 35 to 377 to Roselon

3074
02:31:12,100 --> 02:31:16,540
 is really what that true Denia Neighborhood is,

3075
02:31:16,540 --> 02:31:18,820
 to explain to the residents all of the projects

3076
02:31:18,820 --> 02:31:20,500
 that are going on in that area,

3077
02:31:20,500 --> 02:31:23,260
 and help them understand the multiple ways

3078
02:31:23,260 --> 02:31:25,740
 that communication is happening

3079
02:31:25,740 --> 02:31:28,500
 between the departments within the city,

3080
02:31:28,500 --> 02:31:31,260
 but then also the different projects that are happening

3081
02:31:31,260 --> 02:31:33,740
 that are gonna actually help in some of those areas

3082
02:31:33,740 --> 02:31:35,820
 of some of the concerns that they've raised.

3083
02:31:35,820 --> 02:31:40,260
 Many of the questions that they asked, for example,

3084
02:31:40,260 --> 02:31:42,140
 they may not be aware of the projects

3085
02:31:42,140 --> 02:31:44,820
 that are gonna be happening for the 2019 bond program,

3086
02:31:44,820 --> 02:31:47,540
 or what the future Bonnie Bray program or project is

3087
02:31:47,540 --> 02:31:51,200
 in that area, future 35, North Texas Boulevard.

3088
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:54,060
 So we're gonna work through explaining that to them

3089
02:31:54,060 --> 02:31:55,340
 on Monday night.

3090
02:31:55,340 --> 02:31:58,260
 And I will tell you for the Highland Park Roadway Project,

3091
02:31:58,260 --> 02:32:00,980
 we're gonna put something in the Friday report on that,

3092
02:32:00,980 --> 02:32:03,260
 that addresses some of those concerns.

3093
02:32:03,260 --> 02:32:06,060
 But I will tell you in order to build sidewalks

3094
02:32:06,060 --> 02:32:09,380
 and do what is requested or what was suggested

3095
02:32:09,380 --> 02:32:11,660
 at the meeting last night is really looking at

3096
02:32:11,660 --> 02:32:15,060
 and asking about how can we get sidewalks?

3097
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:17,460
 How can we build it to the collector standard?

3098
02:32:17,460 --> 02:32:18,660
 Danny hit on it.

3099
02:32:18,660 --> 02:32:21,980
 It would be a capital project that would have to happen

3100
02:32:21,980 --> 02:32:24,460
 in order to have an evaluation of the water

3101
02:32:24,460 --> 02:32:26,260
 and wastewater infrastructure in the area

3102
02:32:26,260 --> 02:32:28,860
 to see if improvements needed to be made to that,

3103
02:32:28,860 --> 02:32:30,740
 an overall drainage project,

3104
02:32:30,740 --> 02:32:32,700
 and it'd be a very large drainage project.

3105
02:32:32,700 --> 02:32:33,540
 And as Danny mentioned,

3106
02:32:33,540 --> 02:32:35,700
 that would probably be the majority of the funding.

3107
02:32:35,700 --> 02:32:39,540
 And then also that roadway project with the cross section.

3108
02:32:39,540 --> 02:32:41,140
 And I want you to keep in mind,

3109
02:32:41,140 --> 02:32:44,220
 we also would have to acquire in many cases right away

3110
02:32:44,220 --> 02:32:47,480
 along that corridor to build the cross section that's needed.

3111
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:49,420
 So I wanna be able to explain to you

3112
02:32:49,420 --> 02:32:50,860
 the impact that that would be,

3113
02:32:50,860 --> 02:32:53,440
 what the funding would be that's necessary,

3114
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:55,660
 and how many individuals that would actually impact.

3115
02:32:55,660 --> 02:32:57,280
 And that's gonna take our team a little time

3116
02:32:57,280 --> 02:32:58,840
 to put that together,

3117
02:32:58,840 --> 02:33:00,380
 but something that we will share

3118
02:33:00,380 --> 02:33:02,580
 as soon as we have that information together.

3119
02:33:02,580 --> 02:33:06,080
 But that is really what it's going to take

3120
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:07,780
 to address many of the concerns

3121
02:33:07,780 --> 02:33:09,600
 from actually looking at

3122
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:13,180
 what the typical collector section is in that area,

3123
02:33:13,180 --> 02:33:15,140
 what it should be built to.

3124
02:33:15,140 --> 02:33:17,460
 It's not just putting sidewalk out there

3125
02:33:17,460 --> 02:33:21,820
 just simply because it's more of a country lane section

3126
02:33:21,820 --> 02:33:23,580
 because of the drainage ditches

3127
02:33:23,580 --> 02:33:25,980
 that are on both sides of the roadway.

3128
02:33:25,980 --> 02:33:28,260
 No curb and gutter in many of those sections.

3129
02:33:28,260 --> 02:33:31,380
 And we are also, just so you know,

3130
02:33:31,380 --> 02:33:33,780
 I know last night they showed an exhibit

3131
02:33:33,780 --> 02:33:34,880
 of the mobility plan.

3132
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:36,780
 That's the existing mobility plan.

3133
02:33:36,780 --> 02:33:39,120
 And of course, as we're working through the update,

3134
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:44,120
 we're working on making updates and changes to mistakes

3135
02:33:44,120 --> 02:33:46,900
 or things that we feel like need to be updated

3136
02:33:46,900 --> 02:33:49,860
 based on the mobility actually

3137
02:33:49,860 --> 02:33:52,060
 of getting folks to and from

3138
02:33:52,060 --> 02:33:54,740
 and including for Nathan's benefit,

3139
02:33:54,740 --> 02:33:58,100
 the bicycle and the pedestrian aspects.

3140
02:33:58,100 --> 02:34:02,020
 So definitely a project that would be something

3141
02:34:02,020 --> 02:34:04,260
 that would have to be funded

3142
02:34:04,260 --> 02:34:06,900
 in order to do all the things that were requested.

3143
02:34:06,900 --> 02:34:08,860
 My goal with the meeting Monday night

3144
02:34:08,860 --> 02:34:10,860
 is to be able to explain to the residents

3145
02:34:10,860 --> 02:34:13,420
 all of the projects that are happening in the area

3146
02:34:13,420 --> 02:34:16,740
 that Highland Park and Parvin Road are actually connecting

3147
02:34:16,740 --> 02:34:18,140
 is being renamed.

3148
02:34:18,140 --> 02:34:21,020
 There are gonna be other ways to get around in that area

3149
02:34:21,020 --> 02:34:23,780
 and give them an overall picture

3150
02:34:23,780 --> 02:34:26,340
 of the capital projects, the development projects,

3151
02:34:26,340 --> 02:34:28,020
 the parks projects, and then of course,

3152
02:34:28,020 --> 02:34:30,980
 the maintenance projects that are going on in that area

3153
02:34:30,980 --> 02:34:33,500
 so they can understand how much work is truly happening

3154
02:34:33,500 --> 02:34:35,700
 within those confines that I explained.

3155
02:34:35,700 --> 02:34:38,020
 - Did you have a, thank you for that.

3156
02:34:38,020 --> 02:34:43,020
 Did you have a response or a reaction

3157
02:34:43,020 --> 02:34:47,740
 to the member of the public who said

3158
02:34:47,740 --> 02:34:51,420
 that it was kind of misidentified in the mobility plan

3159
02:34:51,420 --> 02:34:52,380
 based on its width?

3160
02:34:52,380 --> 02:34:55,500
 Did you catch that part?

3161
02:34:55,500 --> 02:34:57,420
 - I did receive a copy of the report.

3162
02:34:57,420 --> 02:35:01,220
 I have not had an opportunity to look at it in great depth,

3163
02:35:01,220 --> 02:35:04,540
 but we are gonna be evaluating the actual drawings

3164
02:35:04,540 --> 02:35:08,580
 that they put forward showing what the 2015 mobility plan

3165
02:35:08,580 --> 02:35:13,580
 has versus what our proposal is for the 2020 mobility plan

3166
02:35:13,580 --> 02:35:16,380
 and actually looking at that TIA.

3167
02:35:16,380 --> 02:35:17,900
 Many of those items are reviewed

3168
02:35:17,900 --> 02:35:19,900
 through our development process,

3169
02:35:19,900 --> 02:35:21,700
 but we wanna go back and check just to see

3170
02:35:21,700 --> 02:35:23,740
 if there's anything that we have concerns about,

3171
02:35:23,740 --> 02:35:26,820
 but I did listen intently,

3172
02:35:26,820 --> 02:35:29,700
 but haven't had an opportunity since one o'clock this morning

3173
02:35:29,700 --> 02:35:32,420
 to, at eight o'clock this morning to evaluate it.

3174
02:35:32,420 --> 02:35:34,060
 - Come on, how many hours have passed since then?

3175
02:35:34,060 --> 02:35:34,900
 (laughing)

3176
02:35:34,900 --> 02:35:35,740
 Chop chop.

3177
02:35:35,740 --> 02:35:39,180
 - So, but no sir, I am absolutely wanting to look into that

3178
02:35:39,180 --> 02:35:42,420
 and I know Chandra will assist with that, so.

3179
02:35:42,420 --> 02:35:44,060
 - Great, thank you.

3180
02:35:44,060 --> 02:35:45,740
 Anything, oh I'm sorry, Council Member McCoy.

3181
02:35:45,740 --> 02:35:46,580
 - Yeah.

3182
02:35:46,580 --> 02:35:50,140
 - I'm glad you bring up some of the other collector streets

3183
02:35:50,140 --> 02:35:51,700
 including Parvin in that area.

3184
02:35:51,700 --> 02:35:54,740
 Can I ask that you make sure you also address Rose Lawn

3185
02:35:54,740 --> 02:35:57,660
 and the plans for Rose Lawn going forward,

3186
02:35:57,660 --> 02:35:59,980
 just in that presentation on Monday?

3187
02:35:59,980 --> 02:36:01,820
 - Sure, we can look into Rose Lawn.

3188
02:36:01,820 --> 02:36:05,060
 Very familiar with that area.

3189
02:36:05,060 --> 02:36:09,540
 One time during my career, I did the water line

3190
02:36:09,540 --> 02:36:13,260
 and the elevated storage tank in that area, so no problem.

3191
02:36:13,260 --> 02:36:15,700
 We can look at what the mobility plan shows

3192
02:36:15,700 --> 02:36:18,860
 for Rose Lawn and what our current anticipation would be

3193
02:36:18,860 --> 02:36:22,460
 of any project in that area, so.

3194
02:36:22,460 --> 02:36:24,620
 Okay.

3195
02:36:24,620 --> 02:36:34,060
 So, Rachel has been able to look into

3196
02:36:34,060 --> 02:36:36,820
 some additional information that actually

3197
02:36:36,820 --> 02:36:38,860
 is talking about the overall condition index,

3198
02:36:38,860 --> 02:36:41,340
 so she's like my private investigator over here

3199
02:36:41,340 --> 02:36:42,540
 on the side looking into that.

3200
02:36:42,540 --> 02:36:44,940
 So I'm gonna allow her to go ahead

3201
02:36:44,940 --> 02:36:46,660
 and share some of the information.

3202
02:36:46,660 --> 02:36:48,780
 Just Council Member, I'm sorry,

3203
02:36:48,780 --> 02:36:52,660
 Mayor Pritchett Maltzer to go back to the Oak Street, so.

3204
02:36:52,660 --> 02:36:58,220
 Oh, okay, go ahead, Danny, sure.

3205
02:36:58,220 --> 02:37:00,100
 Whichever one of you, I'm perfectly fine

3206
02:37:00,100 --> 02:37:02,580
 with either one of you, thank you very much.

3207
02:37:02,580 --> 02:37:06,820
 - From the 2015 study, as Rachel found,

3208
02:37:06,820 --> 02:37:09,580
 and I do apologize, my laptop is back there charging,

3209
02:37:11,340 --> 02:37:15,660
 was sitting at a 70, 77,

3210
02:37:15,660 --> 02:37:18,220
 and the new study is showing at a 49.

3211
02:37:18,220 --> 02:37:21,940
 Internally on the maintenance side,

3212
02:37:21,940 --> 02:37:24,780
 we have been looking at some temporary fixes

3213
02:37:24,780 --> 02:37:28,540
 and trying to get it to smooth it out.

3214
02:37:28,540 --> 02:37:31,540
 Different ones we haven't come up with a good solution.

3215
02:37:31,540 --> 02:37:34,300
 - 49 is like good or something, isn't it?

3216
02:37:34,300 --> 02:37:38,060
 - It's, no, it's, I'd have to look,

3217
02:37:38,060 --> 02:37:43,060
 but usually on the last bond we did a 20 and below.

3218
02:37:43,060 --> 02:37:47,180
 It's at the low range.

3219
02:37:47,180 --> 02:37:51,100
 It's still, for the most part, structurally sound.

3220
02:37:51,100 --> 02:37:53,460
 It's, the ride quality is not gonna be the best,

3221
02:37:53,460 --> 02:37:57,060
 usually on it, but it's structurally there.

3222
02:37:57,060 --> 02:38:01,340
 And I know there's an issue with the soils that run up

3223
02:38:01,340 --> 02:38:03,420
 through that section of town right there.

3224
02:38:03,420 --> 02:38:06,620
 We found it on a soil map, and this was as,

3225
02:38:08,660 --> 02:38:11,380
 Becky stated earlier, it was,

3226
02:38:11,380 --> 02:38:15,500
 when that road was done at that time,

3227
02:38:15,500 --> 02:38:17,740
 the current standards were not followed

3228
02:38:17,740 --> 02:38:19,300
 on how we mix the soil and do that,

3229
02:38:19,300 --> 02:38:20,860
 and I think that's where the whole thing,

3230
02:38:20,860 --> 02:38:23,100
 where we had the whole issues on the testing of that.

3231
02:38:23,100 --> 02:38:26,740
 So we're looking at some temporary ways

3232
02:38:26,740 --> 02:38:29,940
 to mitigate the issue, and before we can get

3233
02:38:29,940 --> 02:38:33,340
 to a full reconstruct and a fix on that,

3234
02:38:33,340 --> 02:38:35,140
 but we do not have a good solution right now.

3235
02:38:35,140 --> 02:38:36,300
 - I'm interested to hear what you come up with,

3236
02:38:36,300 --> 02:38:39,140
 'cause structurally sound to me suggests

3237
02:38:39,140 --> 02:38:42,940
 it's not going to move further,

3238
02:38:42,940 --> 02:38:46,220
 but I can't imagine the original design

3239
02:38:46,220 --> 02:38:48,100
 had a line like that on it.

3240
02:38:48,100 --> 02:38:52,540
 - Right, and it's, the way the soils are set up,

3241
02:38:52,540 --> 02:38:55,620
 it didn't harden correctly because of the,

3242
02:38:55,620 --> 02:38:58,180
 what we're thinking is the sulfites in the soil

3243
02:38:58,180 --> 02:38:59,660
 reacts with the lime on that.

3244
02:38:59,660 --> 02:39:02,140
 That should have been used for proper testing,

3245
02:39:02,140 --> 02:39:03,820
 more of a cement stabilization instead

3246
02:39:03,820 --> 02:39:06,300
 of a lime stabilization, which should have fixed that issue.

3247
02:39:06,300 --> 02:39:07,780
 So we're looking at some different options

3248
02:39:07,780 --> 02:39:11,220
 to try to fix that without ripping up the whole road

3249
02:39:11,220 --> 02:39:13,500
 with everything else going on in the area.

3250
02:39:13,500 --> 02:39:16,580
 - Yeah, I mean, it's, I just, whatever,

3251
02:39:16,580 --> 02:39:18,980
 I don't wanna rant, you've heard me out before.

3252
02:39:18,980 --> 02:39:19,820
 Okay, thank you.

3253
02:39:19,820 --> 02:39:22,300
 - Alrighty, so I'm gonna move on

3254
02:39:22,300 --> 02:39:24,700
 to the Hinkle traffic circle.

3255
02:39:24,700 --> 02:39:26,820
 I know last month you asked for an update.

3256
02:39:26,820 --> 02:39:29,100
 So Danny and his team were actually working

3257
02:39:29,100 --> 02:39:31,620
 with real estate to obtain a construction easement

3258
02:39:31,620 --> 02:39:35,900
 and right-of-way access to install the sidewalk.

3259
02:39:35,900 --> 02:39:38,260
 Real estate has estimated that the letters,

3260
02:39:38,260 --> 02:39:41,020
 to have the letters sent to the homeowners

3261
02:39:41,020 --> 02:39:44,700
 the week of October 18th, so that was this week.

3262
02:39:44,700 --> 02:39:46,060
 And once the letters are sent out,

3263
02:39:46,060 --> 02:39:48,300
 it's expected to take 30 to 45 days

3264
02:39:48,300 --> 02:39:50,260
 to have those clothes paid and recorded,

3265
02:39:50,260 --> 02:39:52,140
 which does take a little bit of time.

3266
02:39:52,140 --> 02:39:54,480
 When they receive back all the responses,

3267
02:39:54,480 --> 02:39:57,420
 then public works will work through

3268
02:39:57,420 --> 02:39:58,620
 starting that construction.

3269
02:39:58,620 --> 02:40:00,460
 So right now they don't have access

3270
02:40:00,460 --> 02:40:02,820
 or the right to get onto the properties

3271
02:40:02,820 --> 02:40:05,300
 to remove the tree as necessary.

3272
02:40:05,300 --> 02:40:07,140
 - Yeah, pardon me, I just wanna make sure I'm tracking.

3273
02:40:07,140 --> 02:40:09,940
 The right-of-way we're talking about is to get at the tree?

3274
02:40:09,940 --> 02:40:12,740
 Is that, or is this a different part of that?

3275
02:40:12,740 --> 02:40:15,860
 - Yes, sir, and also build the sidewalk in the area.

3276
02:40:15,860 --> 02:40:18,300
 Danny, if you'd like to explain more, go right ahead.

3277
02:40:18,300 --> 02:40:21,380
 - Yeah, so the sidewalk has to fall right at the edge

3278
02:40:21,380 --> 02:40:22,660
 of the right-of-way line.

3279
02:40:22,660 --> 02:40:24,740
 We'll need a little bit of an easement

3280
02:40:24,740 --> 02:40:26,660
 for the construction of putting it in,

3281
02:40:26,660 --> 02:40:28,580
 and also to remove the tree to make sure

3282
02:40:28,580 --> 02:40:31,420
 that we can legally be on the property to get that down.

3283
02:40:31,420 --> 02:40:35,220
 Now, we have talked to the homeowner on the south side.

3284
02:40:35,220 --> 02:40:38,700
 We've already talked to her.

3285
02:40:38,700 --> 02:40:41,420
 We've got everything set up with removing of the tree.

3286
02:40:41,420 --> 02:40:43,220
 She's fine with that and the replacements

3287
02:40:43,220 --> 02:40:44,220
 to what they're doing.

3288
02:40:44,220 --> 02:40:46,740
 We've got the quotes and everything set up

3289
02:40:46,740 --> 02:40:49,700
 for all the sidewalk based off the plans,

3290
02:40:49,700 --> 02:40:51,940
 and as soon as we get the real estate go ahead,

3291
02:40:51,940 --> 02:40:53,940
 it should just be weather dependent.

3292
02:40:53,940 --> 02:40:56,340
 We should be able to just go right in and get it taken care of.

3293
02:40:56,340 --> 02:40:59,060
 - Great, okay, so now I'm tracking, thank you very much,

3294
02:40:59,060 --> 02:41:01,420
 and so what you're talking about is the timeline

3295
02:41:01,420 --> 02:41:03,060
 to acquire the right-of-way.

3296
02:41:03,060 --> 02:41:04,580
 - That's correct. - That's like 30 days plus.

3297
02:41:04,580 --> 02:41:07,380
 - 30 to 45 days is the current process

3298
02:41:07,380 --> 02:41:09,940
 that Danny has been given from our real estate department,

3299
02:41:09,940 --> 02:41:12,260
 and that's really just, at this point,

3300
02:41:12,260 --> 02:41:15,380
 what he's waiting for is that access to the property

3301
02:41:15,380 --> 02:41:17,900
 so that he can, like he mentioned,

3302
02:41:17,900 --> 02:41:20,540
 remove the tree and install the sidewalk

3303
02:41:20,540 --> 02:41:22,620
 without getting on private property in that area.

3304
02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:24,540
 So once he has that, then he's committed

3305
02:41:24,540 --> 02:41:27,500
 to getting that taken care of as we all are very excited

3306
02:41:27,500 --> 02:41:29,140
 to have that taken care of, so.

3307
02:41:29,140 --> 02:41:32,900
 - Thanks. - Thank you, Danny.

3308
02:41:32,900 --> 02:41:35,500
 So the next item that came up was a question

3309
02:41:35,500 --> 02:41:39,380
 on Campbell Street and talking about the type of curbs

3310
02:41:39,380 --> 02:41:41,780
 that were actually in that area.

3311
02:41:41,780 --> 02:41:45,580
 Those type of curbs are called rolled or drive curbs.

3312
02:41:45,580 --> 02:41:47,460
 The rolled curbs have sloping faces

3313
02:41:47,460 --> 02:41:48,900
 that allow vehicles to encroach

3314
02:41:48,900 --> 02:41:51,100
 without damaging tires and wheels,

3315
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:55,980
 and really those cars can cross them to access their driveway.

3316
02:41:55,980 --> 02:41:57,580
 So it's just a different type of curb

3317
02:41:57,580 --> 02:42:00,420
 that was actually constructed in that area.

3318
02:42:00,420 --> 02:42:02,740
 I don't have a reason why that was constructed,

3319
02:42:02,740 --> 02:42:04,220
 just wanted to explain the difference

3320
02:42:04,220 --> 02:42:05,900
 and what that type of curb was.

3321
02:42:05,900 --> 02:42:10,860
 - Yes, ma'am. - Councilmember Byrd.

3322
02:42:10,860 --> 02:42:14,540
 - Thank you, Mr. Chair, thank you.

3323
02:42:17,740 --> 02:42:22,060
 I know for sure that I mentioned the wrong street, okay?

3324
02:42:22,060 --> 02:42:24,100
 So I would like for you all to,

3325
02:42:24,100 --> 02:42:29,100
 my initial concern was for Janney Street, J-A-N-N-I-E.

3326
02:42:29,100 --> 02:42:36,220
 And I believe that's a street

3327
02:42:36,220 --> 02:42:41,220
 that's just on the west side of Campbell Street.

3328
02:42:41,220 --> 02:42:43,020
 And that street has no curbs,

3329
02:42:43,020 --> 02:42:44,340
 that's what I was trying to get to.

3330
02:42:44,340 --> 02:42:47,780
 And then if you're going on McKinney Street

3331
02:42:47,780 --> 02:42:49,660
 and making a left turn there,

3332
02:42:49,660 --> 02:42:55,500
 there are a series of trees that splits the street,

3333
02:42:55,500 --> 02:43:00,500
 and there's no caretaking of anything in that area.

3334
02:43:00,500 --> 02:43:05,860
 They just put up a brand new little retail area,

3335
02:43:05,860 --> 02:43:10,660
 suns, coffee, some other things

3336
02:43:10,660 --> 02:43:12,660
 that are coming up over there.

3337
02:43:12,660 --> 02:43:15,180
 But there are literally no curbs on that street.

3338
02:43:15,180 --> 02:43:20,180
 And the concern is when folks make a left turn

3339
02:43:20,180 --> 02:43:22,700
 or a right turn into that area,

3340
02:43:22,700 --> 02:43:24,660
 there's those trees there.

3341
02:43:24,660 --> 02:43:26,900
 And there's just one little sign

3342
02:43:26,900 --> 02:43:30,620
 that tells the driver to go over to the right,

3343
02:43:30,620 --> 02:43:33,540
 so they won't run into the trees.

3344
02:43:33,540 --> 02:43:36,060
 But there's still curbs.

3345
02:43:36,060 --> 02:43:39,900
 Also on the corner of Paisley and Roodale,

3346
02:43:42,260 --> 02:43:43,740
 the same thing.

3347
02:43:43,740 --> 02:43:46,580
 So I, again, I wanna make sure

3348
02:43:46,580 --> 02:43:49,740
 that those folks over there are not forgotten.

3349
02:43:49,740 --> 02:43:52,980
 I mean, just by even just having even the roll curbs

3350
02:43:52,980 --> 02:43:55,180
 would even be more sufficient

3351
02:43:55,180 --> 02:43:58,260
 than not having literally anything at all.

3352
02:43:58,260 --> 02:44:01,380
 So will you all please add that to your list?

3353
02:44:01,380 --> 02:44:03,660
 I appreciate the update on Campbell Street.

3354
02:44:03,660 --> 02:44:08,220
 I drive down Campbell Street all the time.

3355
02:44:08,220 --> 02:44:10,580
 So I got that.

3356
02:44:10,580 --> 02:44:12,980
 And thank you all for taking time to do that.

3357
02:44:12,980 --> 02:44:15,500
 - Sure, that's no problem. - I think my concentration

3358
02:44:15,500 --> 02:44:18,380
 should have been Jenny Street.

3359
02:44:18,380 --> 02:44:19,740
 - Okay, well, we heard you.

3360
02:44:19,740 --> 02:44:20,580
 That's perfect.

3361
02:44:20,580 --> 02:44:21,900
 We'll look at that.

3362
02:44:21,900 --> 02:44:23,500
 I don't have any reasons why trees

3363
02:44:23,500 --> 02:44:24,660
 would be in the middle of the red way,

3364
02:44:24,660 --> 02:44:27,260
 but obviously probably someone knows.

3365
02:44:27,260 --> 02:44:29,300
 But we will look into that

3366
02:44:29,300 --> 02:44:33,020
 and look into also the Paisley-Roodale area.

3367
02:44:33,020 --> 02:44:36,180
 And then one thing we will want to evaluate

3368
02:44:36,180 --> 02:44:38,380
 is any coordination with any projects

3369
02:44:38,380 --> 02:44:40,900
 that either are being done through the maintenance operations

3370
02:44:40,900 --> 02:44:42,260
 or through the capital projects.

3371
02:44:42,260 --> 02:44:43,860
 So we'll see what's going on in that area.

3372
02:44:43,860 --> 02:44:46,180
 So thank you for bringing that to our attention.

3373
02:44:46,180 --> 02:44:48,020
 Fantastic.

3374
02:44:48,020 --> 02:44:52,340
 So the last item on my staff report is the FM 2181 plans.

3375
02:44:52,340 --> 02:44:56,620
 Councilmember McGuire requested a copy of the actual plans

3376
02:44:56,620 --> 02:44:58,660
 and asked about sound walls

3377
02:44:58,660 --> 02:45:01,020
 and where those were going to be installed.

3378
02:45:01,020 --> 02:45:05,940
 I did send her an email with a copy of the sound wall plans,

3379
02:45:05,940 --> 02:45:08,420
 which actually showed the locations.

3380
02:45:08,420 --> 02:45:11,380
 And then we actually today delivered her a flash drive

3381
02:45:11,380 --> 02:45:14,940
 because the set of plans is so large it could not be emailed.

3382
02:45:14,940 --> 02:45:19,940
 And so she now has a copy of the plans in her possession.

3383
02:45:19,940 --> 02:45:23,260
 And so hopefully we've addressed those concerns.

3384
02:45:23,260 --> 02:45:25,100
 And I know as you may have questions,

3385
02:45:25,100 --> 02:45:27,580
 different things that come up

3386
02:45:27,580 --> 02:45:28,900
 or different things that you'd like for us

3387
02:45:28,900 --> 02:45:31,020
 to explain to you, we'll be happy to do so.

3388
02:45:31,020 --> 02:45:33,180
 But hopefully that answered those questions

3389
02:45:33,180 --> 02:45:34,060
 and those requests.

3390
02:45:34,060 --> 02:45:34,940
 - Yes, thank you so much.

3391
02:45:34,940 --> 02:45:36,780
 I look forward to looking through that file

3392
02:45:36,780 --> 02:45:37,780
 on the thumb drive.

3393
02:45:37,780 --> 02:45:40,020
 - Sure, no problem at all.

3394
02:45:40,020 --> 02:45:44,100
 Alrighty, so let's move on to the last thing of the day,

3395
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:48,140
 which is going through the future agenda items.

3396
02:45:48,140 --> 02:45:51,540
 I believe today that we've addressed

3397
02:45:51,540 --> 02:45:55,100
 the majority of the interest that you had

3398
02:45:55,100 --> 02:45:56,060
 at the last meeting.

3399
02:45:56,060 --> 02:45:57,820
 I know there's still some additional questions

3400
02:45:57,820 --> 02:45:58,980
 about Curly Street

3401
02:45:58,980 --> 02:46:01,700
 and what additional improvement measures will be done there.

3402
02:46:01,700 --> 02:46:05,100
 Staff is still evaluating Morris.

3403
02:46:05,100 --> 02:46:08,060
 We can continue to bring you updates on Hinkle.

3404
02:46:08,060 --> 02:46:10,100
 And then of course, instead of Campbell,

3405
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:13,100
 we'll look at Janie and Paisley Roodell.

3406
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:14,580
 Is there anything additional

3407
02:46:14,580 --> 02:46:17,420
 that you would like to add to this list?

3408
02:46:17,420 --> 02:46:19,020
 Yes, ma'am.

3409
02:46:19,020 --> 02:46:19,860
 - Thank you.

3410
02:46:19,860 --> 02:46:23,060
 So Eric Pruitt had asked about this,

3411
02:46:23,060 --> 02:46:25,660
 I believe a few months ago.

3412
02:46:25,660 --> 02:46:30,660
 There is a trail that leads from Lake Forest Park

3413
02:46:32,500 --> 02:46:37,500
 south and currently ends right before Hickory Creek Road

3414
02:46:37,500 --> 02:46:41,780
 and then picks up again south of Hickory Creek Road

3415
02:46:41,780 --> 02:46:44,780
 and runs just west of McNair Elementary

3416
02:46:44,780 --> 02:46:46,420
 down to Cross Timbers Park.

3417
02:46:46,420 --> 02:46:51,100
 The plans that were shared with Eric in the past

3418
02:46:51,100 --> 02:46:55,660
 showed that there would be a trail stub

3419
02:46:55,660 --> 02:47:01,260
 connecting that trail in Lake Forest Park

3420
02:47:01,260 --> 02:47:03,900
 to the trail that leads to Cross Timbers Park

3421
02:47:03,900 --> 02:47:08,620
 and that there would be a safe crosswalk there

3422
02:47:08,620 --> 02:47:10,220
 to the west of McNair.

3423
02:47:10,220 --> 02:47:15,260
 But the curbs have been completed

3424
02:47:15,260 --> 02:47:17,140
 on the south side of Hickory Creek Road

3425
02:47:17,140 --> 02:47:21,060
 and there is no curb cut out for a crossing there.

3426
02:47:21,060 --> 02:47:23,060
 So I was hoping you could check in on that,

3427
02:47:23,060 --> 02:47:27,180
 see if they're still planning to put a crossing there,

3428
02:47:27,180 --> 02:47:28,340
 if that was just an error,

3429
02:47:28,340 --> 02:47:33,340
 if they need to cut that curb again to add an ADA ramp

3430
02:47:33,340 --> 02:47:36,860
 to cross Hickory Creek there next to McNair Elementary.

3431
02:47:36,860 --> 02:47:40,140
 - Sure, we can definitely look into that.

3432
02:47:40,140 --> 02:47:41,300
 Rachel's team is delivering

3433
02:47:41,300 --> 02:47:43,540
 that Hickory Creek Roadway project

3434
02:47:43,540 --> 02:47:46,900
 and we can see if there's something that was missed on there.

3435
02:47:46,900 --> 02:47:48,780
 I sure hope they don't have to cut the curb

3436
02:47:48,780 --> 02:47:50,060
 'cause that's my least favorite thing.

3437
02:47:50,060 --> 02:47:51,100
 I hate cut curbs.

3438
02:47:51,100 --> 02:47:52,340
 If there's anything I don't like,

3439
02:47:52,340 --> 02:47:55,100
 that what it looks like, it's a cut curb.

3440
02:47:55,100 --> 02:47:57,340
 And they hear me say that over and over and over

3441
02:47:57,340 --> 02:47:59,700
 'cause I don't like exposed aggregate on a concrete,

3442
02:47:59,700 --> 02:48:03,180
 but that's just an engineering nerd that comes out in me.

3443
02:48:03,180 --> 02:48:06,740
 But definitely we will look into that and see what happens

3444
02:48:06,740 --> 02:48:08,820
 and if there's something that needs to be taken place.

3445
02:48:08,820 --> 02:48:10,540
 So thank you for bringing that to our attention.

3446
02:48:10,540 --> 02:48:11,380
 That's no problem.

3447
02:48:11,380 --> 02:48:12,500
 - Great, thank you so much.

3448
02:48:12,500 --> 02:48:13,340
 - We have one more.

3449
02:48:13,340 --> 02:48:14,180
 - Yeah, please.

3450
02:48:14,180 --> 02:48:17,980
 - And I'm also always curious about what are the plans,

3451
02:48:17,980 --> 02:48:22,980
 long-term plans for McKinney Street from 288 to Woodrow?

3452
02:48:22,980 --> 02:48:25,540
 I know that is a very busy street.

3453
02:48:25,540 --> 02:48:30,540
 We've added some additional density on that street,

3454
02:48:30,540 --> 02:48:35,100
 but it's just nothing occurring between there.

3455
02:48:35,100 --> 02:48:40,100
 We've put two additional large apartment complexes there.

3456
02:48:40,100 --> 02:48:46,580
 I think there's one, two, three, four and townhomes there,

3457
02:48:46,580 --> 02:48:51,580
 five additional large structures there,

3458
02:48:51,980 --> 02:48:56,180
 but there's not anything that I can tell that's going on

3459
02:48:56,180 --> 02:49:00,740
 there, so I'd like to get some more information about that.

3460
02:49:00,740 --> 02:49:03,340
 I know that I've already have gotten a call

3461
02:49:03,340 --> 02:49:07,140
 from a possible developer that's looking over there

3462
02:49:07,140 --> 02:49:12,020
 in that big area of a 288 on the other side of the street.

3463
02:49:12,020 --> 02:49:14,340
 - I am prepared to answer that for you today.

3464
02:49:14,340 --> 02:49:15,180
 - Okay.

3465
02:49:15,180 --> 02:49:19,060
 - So loop 288 from Woodrow, Audre all the way to,

3466
02:49:19,060 --> 02:49:21,460
 I'm sorry, McKinney from Woodrow, Audre all the way

3467
02:49:21,460 --> 02:49:24,380
 to loop 288 is not currently a capital project

3468
02:49:24,380 --> 02:49:25,620
 that's planned.

3469
02:49:25,620 --> 02:49:28,820
 Rachel and myself worked on a list of projects

3470
02:49:28,820 --> 02:49:31,220
 reviewing the mobility plan and a few projects

3471
02:49:31,220 --> 02:49:32,900
 that are currently on our list

3472
02:49:32,900 --> 02:49:35,460
 that maybe don't have all of the funding.

3473
02:49:35,460 --> 02:49:37,060
 This is one of the projects that actually

3474
02:49:37,060 --> 02:49:40,140
 the city manager's office also asked us to look into.

3475
02:49:40,140 --> 02:49:43,500
 We have submitted it to Mr. Polster as his representation

3476
02:49:43,500 --> 02:49:47,500
 for the county as a possible project that would be funded

3477
02:49:47,500 --> 02:49:50,100
 through the county bond program,

3478
02:49:50,100 --> 02:49:52,380
 but currently we do not have any plans for that,

3479
02:49:52,380 --> 02:49:54,700
 so it will either be something that we will be looking at

3480
02:49:54,700 --> 02:49:56,940
 receiving funding through the county

3481
02:49:56,940 --> 02:50:00,180
 or if there would be a possible roadway bond program

3482
02:50:00,180 --> 02:50:02,300
 that could come out sometime,

3483
02:50:02,300 --> 02:50:04,940
 and I'm not aware of that happening,

3484
02:50:04,940 --> 02:50:06,300
 but that would be the way that we would have

3485
02:50:06,300 --> 02:50:10,660
 to receive funding similar to what I mentioned

3486
02:50:10,660 --> 02:50:12,380
 on the Highland Park roadway project.

3487
02:50:12,380 --> 02:50:15,140
 So we're aware of the fact that McKinney

3488
02:50:15,140 --> 02:50:18,380
 is going to be improved from basically the loop

3489
02:50:18,380 --> 02:50:20,460
 all the way east of town,

3490
02:50:20,460 --> 02:50:24,620
 and know that the section really between Woodrow

3491
02:50:24,620 --> 02:50:29,100
 and the loop has not taken into place.

3492
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:30,860
 It's not just roadway infrastructure.

3493
02:50:30,860 --> 02:50:33,100
 We also want to improve the drainage infrastructure

3494
02:50:33,100 --> 02:50:34,460
 in that area.

3495
02:50:34,460 --> 02:50:36,820
 There are utility lines that would have to be improved

3496
02:50:36,820 --> 02:50:39,780
 in that area, so there's a very large project,

3497
02:50:39,780 --> 02:50:43,100
 and so we are really anxious to hear

3498
02:50:43,100 --> 02:50:44,500
 about that county bond program,

3499
02:50:44,500 --> 02:50:48,580
 which we're hearing now it could be possibly fall of 2022,

3500
02:50:48,580 --> 02:50:51,500
 but definitely something that's on our radar

3501
02:50:51,500 --> 02:50:54,180
 and our list of large projects that we'd like to see

3502
02:50:54,180 --> 02:50:55,540
 completed within the city.

3503
02:50:55,540 --> 02:50:57,980
 Yes, ma'am.

3504
02:50:57,980 --> 02:51:01,820
 - Yeah, I'd like to add to the list if I could.

3505
02:51:01,820 --> 02:51:05,500
 I don't know how many speed studies you've got going,

3506
02:51:05,500 --> 02:51:08,740
 but Malone Street I think was done so well

3507
02:51:09,780 --> 02:51:14,780
 that really invites driving above the posted speed limit,

3508
02:51:14,780 --> 02:51:21,340
 and it's got a very well-done turn lane

3509
02:51:21,340 --> 02:51:26,340
 that anecdotally is used as a passing lane,

3510
02:51:26,340 --> 02:51:30,220
 so my ask would be if you could take a look at

3511
02:51:30,220 --> 02:51:34,380
 what, do a speed study and see if in fact

3512
02:51:34,380 --> 02:51:36,700
 we're in line with what's posted,

3513
02:51:36,700 --> 02:51:41,540
 and then I would not suggest, if you find the concern

3514
02:51:41,540 --> 02:51:46,540
 to be warranted, I would not suggest there's any issue

3515
02:51:46,540 --> 02:51:48,660
 with the signage.

3516
02:51:48,660 --> 02:51:52,620
 I think we'd have to think about what design considerations

3517
02:51:52,620 --> 02:51:57,620
 could be brought to bear, maybe not made out of concrete,

3518
02:51:57,620 --> 02:52:00,900
 but temporary adjustments that would bring

3519
02:52:00,900 --> 02:52:05,900
 the driver behavior into line with the desired posting.

3520
02:52:07,660 --> 02:52:10,300
 - Sure, so could you give me this section of Malone?

3521
02:52:10,300 --> 02:52:13,780
 My assumption is you're talking north of 380?

3522
02:52:13,780 --> 02:52:14,620
 - No.

3523
02:52:14,620 --> 02:52:15,440
 - I'm sorry, south of 380?

3524
02:52:15,440 --> 02:52:18,940
 - You're talking about between university and scripture.

3525
02:52:18,940 --> 02:52:22,740
 - University and scripture, okay, so south of 380.

3526
02:52:22,740 --> 02:52:24,860
 So we can absolutely look into that,

3527
02:52:24,860 --> 02:52:27,540
 so are you expressing that individuals are using

3528
02:52:27,540 --> 02:52:30,660
 the center lane as a driving lane

3529
02:52:30,660 --> 02:52:32,980
 instead of just for turning left or right movements?

3530
02:52:32,980 --> 02:52:35,700
 - Yeah, that is, but the primary concern is speeding.

3531
02:52:35,700 --> 02:52:37,140
 - Speeding, okay.

3532
02:52:37,140 --> 02:52:40,780
 Sure, we can evaluate that and look into that specifically,

3533
02:52:40,780 --> 02:52:44,580
 that's no issue, and report back,

3534
02:52:44,580 --> 02:52:46,980
 and it may be necessary for us to conduct

3535
02:52:46,980 --> 02:52:48,580
 a speed study in that area.

3536
02:52:48,580 --> 02:52:50,500
 I'm not aware of the last time that was conducted,

3537
02:52:50,500 --> 02:52:51,780
 but happy to look into it.

3538
02:52:51,780 --> 02:52:53,180
 - Appreciate it.

3539
02:52:53,180 --> 02:52:57,000
 So I've got anyone else, anything else?

3540
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:00,340
 All right, we're up to concluding items.

3541
02:53:00,340 --> 02:53:01,620
 Anyone want to make a little speech,

3542
02:53:01,620 --> 02:53:03,940
 talk about what fairs people want to go to,

3543
02:53:03,940 --> 02:53:06,060
 or anything like that, no?

3544
02:53:06,060 --> 02:53:08,080
 That's it, no concluding items?

3545
02:53:08,080 --> 02:53:08,920
 - All righty.

3546
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:10,900
 - We are adjourned at 12.05.