WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.940 Commission work session for March the 7th 2018. This 00:00:05.940 --> 00:00:07.040 meeting has been duly 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:11.109 posted and we do have a quorum present and I will call us 00:00:11.109 --> 00:00:14.080 to order at 5.03. Our 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:17.890 first order of business will be to receive clarification of 00:00:17.890 --> 00:00:18.800 agenda items. 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:28.780 So I will go through and does anybody have changes on the 00:00:28.780 --> 00:00:33.880 minutes? Nope, everybody good? 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:45.340 Questions on the consent agenda? Okay, move us to items for 00:00:45.340 --> 00:00:45.679 individual 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:51.560 consideration. Since I think this is going to be our work 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:53.119 session report, do 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.200 we want to skip that and come back and just do that at that 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:57.280 time and let us go 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.969 on through the work our public hearings? Is that okay with 00:00:59.969 --> 00:01:03.039 everybody? Okay, so we will 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:08.920 return to individual consideration. Public hearing, call on 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.760 Sydney Jackson for 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:25.840 item A which is going to be the 1.719 acres. Good afternoon 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:32.480 . Okay, this is a 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:38.599 request to rezone one point, approximately 1.7119 acres 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:39.560 from 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:44.459 neighborhood residential to NR2 to employment center 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:45.859 commercial ECC 00:01:45.859 --> 00:01:50.209 district. As you can see the site is located on the south 00:01:50.209 --> 00:01:51.140 side of West 00:01:51.140 --> 00:01:57.019 University Drive, approximately 820 feet from Thomas Egan 00:01:57.019 --> 00:02:00.040 at the intersection of 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:06.390 University and Thomas Egan. This shows the current zoning 00:02:06.390 --> 00:02:07.519 map and you can see 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.610 the subject site zone NR2 and this shows the proposed 00:02:10.610 --> 00:02:12.000 zoning map and you can see 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:20.550 the subject site zone as ECC. With regards to the Denton 00:02:20.550 --> 00:02:22.560 plan, the site is 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:28.479 zoned rural areas. Rural areas is for uses such as farms, 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.439 ranches and very low 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.669 density residential areas typically about five, one 00:02:34.669 --> 00:02:36.879 dwelling unit per five acres. 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:41.780 Commissioner Beck. Thank you, Chair. Just this was kind of 00:02:41.780 --> 00:02:44.199 puzzling to me. It says 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:48.599 now is this a future, is this what we're looking at future, 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:49.280 was this what was 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.370 considered for this area for the future or is that what's 00:02:51.370 --> 00:02:53.000 ... That's the future land 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.229 use map. Okay. And the site is designated for rural areas 00:02:57.229 --> 00:02:58.419 and the site over here 00:02:58.419 --> 00:03:01.409 is designated for business innovation and industrial 00:03:01.409 --> 00:03:02.919 commerce. I'm curious how 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:09.680 we got from NR2 to rural areas. Well, NR2 doesn't quite 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:10.800 comply with that and 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.870 I'm sure they were going to fix that when we work on the... 00:03:14.870 --> 00:03:16.120 We've got plans for 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:22.879 this area with regards to the zoning code. My suspicion is 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:23.560 one of the reasons 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.810 it was designated rural areas is because there's no 00:03:26.810 --> 00:03:29.000 development out there per se 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.349 right now and university at that time was just a two-lane 00:03:32.349 --> 00:03:34.039 road. University has 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:39.919 now been expanded to a six-lane divided arterial and when 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:40.759 you make... You 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.349 know, improve the access to a site then you'll have the 00:03:43.349 --> 00:03:44.479 development come to the 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:48.479 site. So I expect we're going to... This is an area that 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:49.400 you may see some 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:54.909 transition going on in the future. Now there I ask is this 00:03:54.909 --> 00:03:56.120 ... Is this something we 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.479 can look at about going from NR2 to something more 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.639 practical now considering 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:08.159 the changes? Yes. Okay. Cindy, can I follow up on 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:10.280 Commissioner Beck's point? Sure. I 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:14.689 think he brings up a good point because I believe a lot of 00:04:14.689 --> 00:04:16.040 the issues in the 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:19.129 future that may be addressed in our zoning map is a lot of 00:04:19.129 --> 00:04:20.319 this area has a 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.379 tremendous amount of gas wells. Yes, you're anticipating 00:04:23.379 --> 00:04:25.240 one of my slides. Am I? Well, 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.660 let me see your slide before I make any comments. Okay. I'm 00:04:27.660 --> 00:04:33.199 already getting ahead of you. Sounds good. Okay, and I... 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.720 Is that the old just in case 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:42.720 slides for us? Yeah. As you can tell the proposed zoning 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:43.399 doesn't technically 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:47.069 conform to the rural areas future land use map. However, 00:04:47.069 --> 00:04:47.720 when we have a 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:51.009 situation where the zoning code does not meet the future 00:04:51.009 --> 00:04:52.639 land use designation we 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:57.009 do have criteria, additional criteria that the request must 00:04:57.009 --> 00:04:58.120 conform to. The 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.290 criteria is pretty extensive and there's a full discussion 00:05:02.290 --> 00:05:03.240 of how the site 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:06.800 complies with the criteria in your staff analysis and I'll 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:07.079 just go 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:11.980 through it briefly. First of all, due to the size, shape, 00:05:11.980 --> 00:05:13.220 and location of the site 00:05:13.220 --> 00:05:17.800 along West University as well as proximity to gas well 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:19.120 sites, this site is 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:23.740 unlikely to develop as a single family house. Now, there 00:05:23.740 --> 00:05:25.000 are areas where perhaps 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:29.899 they could, single family could develop further south and 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:31.000 not be in full 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.370 proximity to the gas well plots. However, they're still 00:05:34.370 --> 00:05:35.399 going to be have to deal 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:42.319 with the gas well plot and if they wouldn't have driveways 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:42.800 off of 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.089 University, which as I said is a six lane arterial, there 00:05:46.089 --> 00:05:47.079 would be a street that 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:52.949 would connect the houses to West University. Commercial 00:05:52.949 --> 00:05:53.519 uses are 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.899 appropriate along primary arterials. You can see that all 00:05:57.899 --> 00:05:59.319 over the city. West 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.310 University will provide the access and visibility that 00:06:02.310 --> 00:06:03.319 would be needed for 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.240 commercial use. The ECC districts are typically found near 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:08.240 employment centers 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.459 and incorporate office and business workplaces with 00:06:11.459 --> 00:06:13.399 supporting secondary uses 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:20.199 such as, you know, retail commercial types of uses for go 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:20.759 out to lunch or 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.639 something like that. The development must comply with all E 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.439 SA, tree preservation, 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.209 buffer screening, tree canopy, and lighting requirements. 00:06:29.209 --> 00:06:30.000 So you're going to 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:34.839 have to comply with every aspect of our zoning code and any 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:35.600 infrastructure 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.410 needs such as water and sewer and electric will be assessed 00:06:39.410 --> 00:06:40.480 at the time of 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:48.250 plotting and site plan process. Access and mobility, well 00:06:48.250 --> 00:06:50.959 we've got 1,234 linear 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:57.579 feet of fringe along West University US 380, which is going 00:06:57.579 --> 00:06:58.839 to be a significant 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.329 retail corridor now that it has been constructed to its 00:07:02.329 --> 00:07:04.160 full capacity, which 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.389 is as six lanes divided a primary arterial. Now here's the 00:07:09.389 --> 00:07:11.360 gas well plat map. 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:16.439 This little star right here shows our the subject site and 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:17.680 as you can see 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.829 between the city limit line which is located here and Mosh 00:07:20.829 --> 00:07:22.319 Branch Road this 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.800 site, this site, and this site, are the only ones that are 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:27.519 not encumbered 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:35.480 by a gas well plat. Residential and gas wells just just are 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.360 not compatible so my 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:41.430 point was to show that it's a highly unlikely that any of 00:07:41.430 --> 00:07:42.519 this area is going 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.509 to be residential in the near future. We don't know how 00:07:45.509 --> 00:07:46.800 long the gas wells will be 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.990 there. They could be through for over 20 years. So yes sir. 00:07:51.990 --> 00:07:52.839 Commissioner Beck. Thank 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.680 you chair. Is this is any of this area where these gas well 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:57.759 plats are? Is that 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:02.399 being used for farming or anything? There are this area 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:04.639 right in here is 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:09.649 used for farming. You have growing a crop? Yeah wheat. Okay 00:08:09.649 --> 00:08:11.819 . That we have that 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:16.220 property owner has expressed that they are not in favor of 00:08:16.220 --> 00:08:17.959 this particular 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:22.959 request and it's in your packet. She actually says it's 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:24.120 being used for wheat. 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.000 But that's pretty much that's it. That's it right here. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.120 Okay. Right here. Okay. 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.110 Thank you. There's other places down here that there are 00:08:32.110 --> 00:08:32.840 single family 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:37.500 areas. There's single family areas adjacent in the ETJ and 00:08:37.500 --> 00:08:38.840 there are 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:43.850 commercial areas all along here. So down here to the south 00:08:43.850 --> 00:08:45.240 like I was saying I 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:49.129 could possibly see maybe some single family where they they 00:08:49.129 --> 00:08:50.279 wouldn't have to 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.450 deal with the gas wells because you can see the gas wells 00:08:52.450 --> 00:08:53.480 here and here and here 00:08:53.480 --> 00:09:01.370 and here and here and here. They're all over the place. So. 00:09:01.370 --> 00:09:02.840 Commissioner Ellis. 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.759 Thank you chair. I know for a fact there's single family 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:07.159 right where you 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.149 were pointing because I've sold houses there so those are 00:09:10.149 --> 00:09:11.080 all single family. 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:17.799 Yeah there are single family in there. Okay. Public 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:19.840 notifications. We sent out two 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:24.990 notices due to the size of the property the holdings in 00:09:24.990 --> 00:09:26.519 here. There were only 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.129 two property owners located within 200 feet of the subject 00:09:31.129 --> 00:09:32.639 site as well as 500 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.409 feet of the subject site. We heard back from one of them 00:09:35.409 --> 00:09:36.919 and it was this person 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:44.059 right here and her opposition represents 49% of the land 00:09:44.059 --> 00:09:45.480 area within the 200 foot 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.120 buffer and because of that this kicks it into requiring a 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.360 supermajority vote of 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:57.580 the council to be approved. Staff recommends approval of 00:09:57.580 --> 00:09:58.600 this request 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:02.370 because even though the request is technically inconsistent 00:10:02.370 --> 00:10:02.919 with the 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:07.399 future land use designation in going through the additional 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.320 criteria 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.370 we've shown that it is consistent with the overall goals of 00:10:12.370 --> 00:10:13.840 the Denton Plan 2030 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.590 and the proposal conforms to the criteria for approval as 00:10:18.590 --> 00:10:19.639 outlined in 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:25.639 section 35 3 3 b3. That concludes my presentation and I'll 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:26.080 stand for any 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.379 questions. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. Cindy did 00:10:29.379 --> 00:10:30.960 staff consider a lesser 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.240 intense zoning discussion? We did not. Not at this time no. 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:36.600 Okay. Is there a reason? 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.889 Just because you felt ECC was okay? We thought that was 00:10:39.889 --> 00:10:41.240 fine. The applicant 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:47.190 proposes to market it for office uses. Which ECC is not 00:10:47.190 --> 00:10:49.320 required? I mean that's 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:53.600 not the only... Well that is the you can ask the applicant 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:54.759 why how he chose that 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.090 particular zoning designation but we didn't see a problem 00:10:58.090 --> 00:10:58.919 with it given that 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:03.110 there's ECC located just 1,300 feet away to the east. I 00:11:03.110 --> 00:11:04.080 have some concern about 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:08.090 the area as a whole right there and in particularly across 00:11:08.090 --> 00:11:09.720 the street across 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:14.210 380. Across 380 and at that location is undeveloped. Oh I 00:11:14.210 --> 00:11:17.000 know. So I'm just 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:21.700 I'm thinking of the future and this piece is ECC and is 00:11:21.700 --> 00:11:23.080 that actually what 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.080 we want the area to become. There's no doubt that growth is 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:26.879 gonna happen there. 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.470 I'm a little concerned with the intense zoning designation 00:11:30.470 --> 00:11:31.519 here is what I'm 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:36.240 having a problem with. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:37.559 You mentioned in our 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:42.659 backup material that there's a small area floodplain. Can 00:11:42.659 --> 00:11:43.360 you show us on the 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:49.840 map where that's at? Small area floodplain with associated 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:54.779 ESAs. The floodplain and the ESA are just 00:11:54.779 --> 00:12:04.759 located right here. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions on 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:09.279 this item? Discussion? 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:22.649 Okay. I think you have the next one too. Yes I do. The next 00:12:22.649 --> 00:12:26.279 one will be Eric Schmidt 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:34.399 and the 8.87 acres at Colorado Boulevard and Cindy Jackson 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:35.320 will present that one 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:43.159 as well. Thank you. Okay Z170032 is a request to rezone 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:44.759 approximately 8.9 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:50.639 acres from NR6 neighborhood residential 6 to NRMU 12 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:51.200 neighborhood 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:55.370 residential mixed use 12. It's generally located on the 00:12:55.370 --> 00:12:56.360 southwest side of 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.379 Colorado which you can see right here and approximately 350 00:13:01.379 --> 00:13:02.440 feet 15 feet 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:08.320 northwest of San Jacinto which is right here. Here you can 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:09.759 see the current zoning 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.929 map with the site as it is currently zoned and here you can 00:13:13.929 --> 00:13:14.799 see the proposed 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:18.090 zoning which would be an extension of the NRMU 12 that is 00:13:18.090 --> 00:13:19.039 located across 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:27.789 Colorado. The site is designated as moderate residential on 00:13:27.789 --> 00:13:29.519 the future land 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.419 use map. Moderate residential can accommodate single-family 00:13:33.419 --> 00:13:34.200 residential 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:38.440 with a maximum density of 12 dwelling units per acre either 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:39.919 attached or on 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:46.440 small lots. This zone is typically used as a transition 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:47.120 between 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.529 established single-family neighborhoods which we've got 00:13:50.529 --> 00:13:54.159 here on the west and 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.590 mixed use or commercial areas and I should state that San 00:13:58.590 --> 00:13:59.879 Jacinto that is 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:04.110 adjacent to Golden Triangle Mall and the subject site 00:14:04.110 --> 00:14:05.759 itself is adjacent to a 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:11.590 bowling alley along San Jacinto as well as some office uses 00:14:11.590 --> 00:14:13.000 and there's a site 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:17.480 that was currently approved for a hotel. 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:24.639 Residential uses permitted in the NRMU 12 district are 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.679 generally consistent with 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.480 the future land use designation however staff does not feel 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:31.960 that the multifamily 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.820 and the commercial uses that are also permitted under the 00:14:35.820 --> 00:14:36.919 NRMU 12 are 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:41.289 appropriate in this district and for this reason we will be 00:14:41.289 --> 00:14:42.600 recommending 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:48.470 approval of an overlay which will restrict the uses to town 00:14:48.470 --> 00:14:49.480 houses with a 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.830 maximum density of 10 dwelling units per acre. Now the 00:14:52.830 --> 00:14:54.519 applicant has indicated he 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.740 only wants eight dwelling units per acre but he doesn't 00:14:57.740 --> 00:14:58.679 have a site plan 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.159 formalized yet and this will give him some wiggle worm. 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:08.200 Cindy just a question. Yes sir. Is that different than what 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:09.360 was the original 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:14.129 recommendation in our backup? No. I may have misread it 00:15:14.129 --> 00:15:14.960 then I'm gonna have it 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:20.840 confused with something else. Okay I may be on confused 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.600 with one another one. Yeah 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:27.399 the recommendation was for approval. I see it now. I've got 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:28.960 it here. Yeah the 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:35.440 mixed-use overlay limiting the uses to townhome. Thank you. 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:45.559 Moderate density residential neighborhoods are appropriate 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:45.840 along 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.320 secondary arterials which is what Colorado Boulevard is. 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:50.039 Colorado 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:53.779 Boulevard will provide adequate visibility and access to 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:55.759 the site. As I 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.899 mentioned earlier NRMU 12 is typically found in close 00:15:58.899 --> 00:16:00.600 proximity to low density 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.919 residential. It serves as a buffer between the low density 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:04.879 residential and 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:11.039 more intense use. The NRMU 12 also limits the residential 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:11.720 density and 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.899 scale and we are proposing to limit the density even more 00:16:14.899 --> 00:16:15.960 than what it currently 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:21.919 is permitted the 12 units. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.240 chair. Cindy currently 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.620 under NR6 that's what it is now right? Is that six units 00:16:27.620 --> 00:16:28.679 per acre? Is that what it is? 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:34.549 Okay. The development will have to comply with all 00:16:34.549 --> 00:16:36.960 standards ESA tree preservation 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.309 buffers screening tree canopy lighting requirements and 00:16:41.309 --> 00:16:42.600 design standards and 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.769 the infrastructure needs as always will be assessed during 00:16:45.769 --> 00:16:46.639 the time of plotting 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:52.519 and site planning. The site has 904 linear feet of frontage 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:54.399 along Colorado 00:16:54.399 --> 00:17:00.840 right here and Colorado is a secondary arterial road. It's 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.639 got its four four 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:07.150 lanes. It's parts of it are undivided and as you get closer 00:17:07.150 --> 00:17:07.400 to the 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:14.720 intersection is divided. Here's a look at the surrounding 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:16.759 zoning districts. NR3 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:21.539 single-family is directly adjacent to the site to the west 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:22.720 and NR6 is 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.599 directly adjacent to the site to the the southwest. NRMU 12 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.279 is across Colorado 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.269 Boulevard and this request would be an extension of this NR 00:17:33.269 --> 00:17:35.480 MU 12 and then 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:40.210 RCCD is located to the southwest which is where Gold Tri 00:17:40.210 --> 00:17:41.359 angle Mall and the 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.799 associated pad sites and offices are located. 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:54.859 Notification we sent out 35 notices via certified mail and 00:17:54.859 --> 00:17:56.880 116 notices sent out 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:02.980 by regular mail. We've received six responses in opposition 00:18:02.980 --> 00:18:04.440 two in favor and 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:08.509 one one we called neutral because it was just it depends so 00:18:08.509 --> 00:18:09.359 we put that as 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:13.880 neutral and I've handed out to you copies of all of the 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:15.279 notices that we 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:20.789 have received since the time of the report was written. 00:18:20.789 --> 00:18:21.680 Commissioner Smith. 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.490 Thank you chair and one of the one of the responses back it 00:18:25.490 --> 00:18:26.279 were all a lot of 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.640 the responses back it's asking about traffic on Claremont 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:31.640 as the entrances is 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.160 have you seen that preliminary site plan did you say you 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:35.359 said he didn't have one? 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:38.130 No we don't have one. The applicant held a neighborhood 00:18:38.130 --> 00:18:39.180 meeting at which he 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:43.410 produced a site plan and he wanted to get the neighbors 00:18:43.410 --> 00:18:44.200 take on it and the 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.819 neighbors had a lot of issues with extending Claremont and 00:18:47.819 --> 00:18:48.660 so the 00:18:48.660 --> 00:18:51.950 applicant is working with the neighbors he is no longer 00:18:51.950 --> 00:18:53.279 proposing to connect to 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.099 Claremont and he is working with staff to find other means 00:18:56.099 --> 00:18:57.200 of access. Okay that 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.069 works thank you. Commissioner Roselle. One point of 00:19:03.069 --> 00:19:03.839 clarification in one 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.930 question the percentages next to opposition in favor is 00:19:06.930 --> 00:19:07.720 that linear feet 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.269 three percent of linear feet in opposition and three 00:19:10.269 --> 00:19:11.240 percent of in favor? 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.859 No it's three percent in area three percent of the land 00:19:14.859 --> 00:19:16.079 area located within 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:19.900 the 200 foot buffer. Okay thank you the other question is 00:19:19.900 --> 00:19:21.240 that's I haven't 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.759 German back there in a while but isn't that in our sixth 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:24.759 neighborhood is there 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:30.569 a gate there? It's just open? Okay that's it. All right 00:19:30.569 --> 00:19:31.279 Cindy I have a follow-up. 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:36.000 Yes. If there's not going to be a connection on the 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.240 extension of Claremont 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.880 to the east that subdivision just has one point of ingress 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:43.160 egress. Exactly. I 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.390 know it currently only has one but it has a future stub to 00:19:46.390 --> 00:19:48.519 the east. Yes it does. We 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.950 know we are actually we're working on on an alternate plan 00:19:52.950 --> 00:19:54.200 so that there would 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.349 not be access people would not be able to drive through 00:19:57.349 --> 00:19:59.000 there. I just was 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.730 thinking about the fire code. Yes I'm we're working with 00:20:01.730 --> 00:20:02.720 them. I'll let you 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:08.299 work on it just observation. Okay thank you. Commissioner 00:20:08.299 --> 00:20:10.160 Sanchez. If Claremont in 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.319 that decision is that should that decision be made by the 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:14.359 city based on 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:20.230 what future land use or what the city wants or is it is it 00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:21.720 allowed to be made 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.400 by the developer? It seems awfully. It's something that the 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:26.279 city is working with 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:31.029 the developer on so it's the city's going to say this is 00:20:31.029 --> 00:20:32.599 what we require and 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.769 these we're giving you these alternatives to meet our 00:20:36.769 --> 00:20:37.759 requirements 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.809 and then the developer will have to choose how he's going 00:20:40.809 --> 00:20:42.680 to do it. I guess 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.940 because my question is I mean you've got a neighborhood 00:20:45.940 --> 00:20:47.160 back here that would 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:52.279 probably be served if Claremont was extended right? That's 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:53.720 right. One of the 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:57.890 issues with extending Claremont that the the people 00:20:57.890 --> 00:20:59.000 attending the 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.730 neighborhood meeting had was cut through traffic from 00:21:02.730 --> 00:21:04.279 Colorado and the fact that 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.339 their streets it's their private streets they're extremely 00:21:07.339 --> 00:21:09.240 narrow they can they 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:13.640 can't even accommodate sometimes the solid waste trucks 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:15.799 that go through or 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:20.759 fire apparatus so it's it's not a really a viable 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.079 alternative to push it all the 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.180 way through and give the general public access to that so 00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:27.839 we are working with on 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:34.730 alternate ways to do that to take care of this. I don't 00:21:34.730 --> 00:21:37.319 want to say what we're 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.720 working on yet because I don't know what will ultimately be 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:43.200 the product. 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.329 Commissioner Ellis do you have a question I couldn't tell 00:21:45.329 --> 00:21:47.039 whether you were saying? I had a comment. 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.630 Okay. Yeah if I could. Thank you chair. Commissioner San 00:21:49.630 --> 00:21:51.039 chez that community right 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.039 now it's a zero lot line garden community garden style home 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:55.599 community 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:59.140 very narrow streets they can't even park on the cul-de-sacs 00:21:59.140 --> 00:22:00.519 where they are they 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.619 have to park in their driveway or garages and Claremont is 00:22:03.619 --> 00:22:04.359 the only place 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:07.450 where visitors can park if somebody wants to park in the 00:22:07.450 --> 00:22:08.339 street in that 00:22:08.339 --> 00:22:11.920 community so their concerns are certainly valid because it 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:12.480 is difficult 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:17.630 to to to get around in there and as Cindy mentioned I don't 00:22:17.630 --> 00:22:18.079 think we would 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.539 want just open access to that particular development to be 00:22:22.539 --> 00:22:23.279 to allow people to cut 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.759 through there. Commissioner Sanchez. I drove by there and 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:31.019 yeah I looked at the 00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:34.559 community so I was just curious why you wouldn't extend 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:35.599 that I mean it would 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:39.339 give access I mean you've got other roads that go on to 00:22:39.339 --> 00:22:40.440 Colorado in that 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:44.789 neighborhood that the previous there's a couple other 00:22:44.789 --> 00:22:47.200 streets there. Right. We're working on different 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:50.559 alternatives and we have to meet with the applicant. 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:56.730 Okay. To see which way he wants to go. Let's hold just a 00:22:56.730 --> 00:22:58.640 second let's go through 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:00.950 and let you get your presentation I think we're getting 00:23:00.950 --> 00:23:02.240 kind of off track and 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:03.700 let's see if we can answer some of this in your 00:23:03.700 --> 00:23:05.119 presentation. I think that was 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.559 just about it yes. We're recommending approval with the 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:10.279 overlay which will 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:16.349 limit the use to townhome and will allow a maximum of 20 of 00:23:16.349 --> 00:23:17.240 10 dwelling units per 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.599 acre. Okay. Commissioner Rosales you have a question. My 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:22.640 question is just I'm not 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.730 familiar with the area I'm unsure what they're cutting 00:23:25.730 --> 00:23:27.000 through to if they were 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:29.390 to be did they talk about because it seems like they just 00:23:29.390 --> 00:23:30.160 go are they trying 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.400 to bypass that one strip of San Jacinto? Is that what the 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:38.480 concern is? There is actually the light at the loop from 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:43.319 backs up all the way. I can't where's the arrow? 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:49.200 Thank you. There's a light at the loop and during heavy 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.559 traffic times it can 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:55.789 back up all the way. Past San Jacinto. So the concern is 00:23:55.789 --> 00:23:57.240 during high traffic they 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.980 can't get to San Jacinto going south and so they cut across 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:01.119 . They will cut across 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:03.569 and then they will get on San Jacinto and then come go 00:24:03.569 --> 00:24:05.880 through the mall. Okay 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:11.900 that's helpful. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. One of 00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:13.880 the people in opposition 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:17.750 sent in a well-documented letter here and mentioned that 00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:18.880 the streets the 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.079 Homeowner Association owns those streets. So what kind of 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.599 private yeah so wouldn't 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:28.569 the city run into some legal problems here if the notion to 00:24:28.569 --> 00:24:29.920 run Claremont 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:36.160 through was pursued? I'll let you answer that question. 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.559 Well they're saying they own the 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.640 streets and because they own the streets you can't we can't 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.200 come in there. We can't 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:50.069 we can't attach to it. Is that correct? I'll call staff for 00:24:50.069 --> 00:24:50.960 additional. Just to 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.240 clarify those streets were platted as private access ways. 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.000 Okay. So they were 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.720 not they were not platted as public streets. So when at 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.039 time of platting we 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.289 would look at you know whether or not there was some 00:25:03.289 --> 00:25:04.559 arrangement with the with 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.190 the neighboring property owner. We haven't dived in to see 00:25:07.190 --> 00:25:09.519 if there's any 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.509 anything on a title that gives rights to that neighboring 00:25:12.509 --> 00:25:13.359 property. I mean we have 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.599 we haven't got that far into it. Okay well I was curious 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:17.559 you know we're gonna deal with that. 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:21.480 We proceed. Okay thanks. Commissioner Smith. Thank you 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:23.960 chair. One of the problems 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.039 they brought up one of things I was thinking about with 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:26.880 whenever you have 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.460 townhomes I know it's not technically multifamily we have 00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:30.400 anything coming in 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.099 there is the possibility for it to go taller than two 00:25:34.099 --> 00:25:36.319 stories risking sight 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.109 line of the backyard of single-family homes around it. Can 00:25:39.109 --> 00:25:40.079 we can we include 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.599 into that overlay a limit on the height of the building? We 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:43.559 could. Something 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:46.160 closer to it in our six height. The applicant originally 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:47.119 was proposing three 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.279 stories and after meeting with the neighborhood he's 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:50.200 reduced that to two 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:55.099 stories and he's also agreed not to have them next to the 00:25:55.099 --> 00:25:55.839 the fence between the 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.829 two properties but to move them back to try to restrict the 00:25:58.829 --> 00:26:00.240 visibility into their 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.900 yards. I think words words are great but for I know for 00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:04.480 already adding 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:06.440 conditionals and put an overlay and we might as well throw 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:07.839 in the height so all right 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:14.759 thank you. Any other questions on this item? 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:21.279 Thank you Cindy good job. Not at this time we will take 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:22.440 public comment we will 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.759 meet again at 630 in council chambers and that will be a 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:26.640 public meeting and 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.880 anybody is welcome to speak on these items at that time. 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.680 Thank you sir. That 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:38.549 will move us to item C that will be presented by Ron. So be 00:26:38.549 --> 00:26:41.599 Z 18 - 0 0 0 3. 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:48.730 Thank you chair members of the Commission. This item is for 00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:50.119 a rezoning as 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:56.740 well as an initial zoning. We have CMG proposed for the 00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:59.200 entire site. Currently 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.359 the zoning the property is NR 2 on the southern portion and 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.039 then RD 5X which is 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:10.509 a designated zoning that's given after annexation therefore 00:27:10.509 --> 00:27:11.680 is not actually 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.849 zoning therefore the request is also to initially add 00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.200 zoning and that is again 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:24.069 CMG for the entire site. It's approximately 6.37 acres just 00:27:24.069 --> 00:27:24.400 along 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:30.269 Teasley just south of Geyer High School. Future land use 00:27:30.269 --> 00:27:31.359 designation for the site 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:36.019 and the area is community mixed use which is intended for 00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:37.599 mixed uses as well 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:43.599 as commercial and other related complementary uses and the 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.039 proposed 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:49.920 zoning request is consistent with the future land use 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.839 designation. This is the 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:57.190 existing zoning map as I illustrated earlier the northern 00:27:57.190 --> 00:27:58.680 portion of it is RD 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:03.759 5X again a holding or designated zoning district the 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:05.579 southern portion is NR 2 00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:10.049 the applicant is requesting that it be rezoned to CMG. The 00:28:10.049 --> 00:28:11.839 notch over here is 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:16.069 actually not owned by the applicant. I've asked the 00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:17.779 applicant to see what 00:28:17.779 --> 00:28:21.450 they can do. I don't have the answer they will probably be 00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:23.559 able to answer why they 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.710 were not able to maybe work out and have that property zone 00:28:26.710 --> 00:28:27.759 as well but for now 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.359 the request is what's shown outlined in black. Commissioner 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:33.440 back isn't that where 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.119 the gas well is? I believe this is a cell tower the gas 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:37.799 well is just north of this 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.680 property. Okay thanks. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.880 A little bit better of the area area of the area as again 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.440 indicated Geyer High 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.980 School to the north you've got a mobile home park to the 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:55.799 east some residential 00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:00.819 and gas well to the east southeast primarily commercial 00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:02.119 slash industrial 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:07.950 uses to the south we've also have NRMU and CMG to the west 00:29:07.950 --> 00:29:09.359 and then as it wraps 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.019 around again Geyer High School to the west and you can see 00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:13.799 that that's the 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.619 notch over here which is the cell tower and then the gas 00:29:17.619 --> 00:29:19.240 well is just north of 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:25.119 this site. Staff did a quick analysis of course the the big 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:26.720 one is it doesn't 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.259 meet the future land use element in the future land use 00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:31.440 designation and it does 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.990 it meets all the goals and objectives of the Denim Plan 00:29:34.990 --> 00:29:38.319 2030. It's a teasley 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.869 proposed to be a six lane divide roadway commercial 00:29:41.869 --> 00:29:43.799 development along this 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.970 corridor is important it's also a gateway into our city so 00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:48.880 we want to make 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.670 sure that we have the proper land uses and CMG will allow 00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:55.079 that. NR2 and RD5 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.250 does not therefore rezoning and initially zoning this to CM 00:29:59.250 --> 00:29:59.519 G is 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:07.299 appropriate for this area. Again mobility, teasley, six 00:30:07.299 --> 00:30:08.440 lane divided, 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:12.910 TechStat has begun work on this widening project between 00:30:12.910 --> 00:30:14.960 the city limits to the 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.490 east all the way north to Lillian Miller proposed six lane 00:30:19.490 --> 00:30:21.200 divided roadway 135 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:28.589 feet completion date my understanding is January of 2020. 00:30:28.589 --> 00:30:31.039 Guaranteed right? Not 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:35.210 guaranteed. Just kidding. Public notifications was sent out 00:30:35.210 --> 00:30:36.799 to 14 to 30 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:42.960 to 200 foot property owners 500 courtesy notices were sent 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.440 to 13 of those and 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.329 then a sign was posted along Teasley Lane. As of this 00:30:48.329 --> 00:30:50.359 afternoon staff has not 00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:55.349 received any response either in opposition or in favor. We 00:30:55.349 --> 00:30:56.480 I have received 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.950 actually phone calls basically questions on what's being 00:30:58.950 --> 00:31:00.839 proposed and what I 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.880 understand what the applicant has stated in their narrative 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:04.400 primarily 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.000 commercial uses and restaurant I believe. 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:15.009 We'll skip that one. Recommendation for the proposed rez 00:31:15.009 --> 00:31:16.559 oning and initial zoning 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:21.269 is approval as it again conforms with the DEM plan 2030 and 00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:22.599 is consistent and 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:28.480 with in line with the section 35 3 3 b 3 which outlines 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.079 approval for rezoning 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.509 cases. With that I'll stand for any questions. Commissioner 00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:34.119 Smith. Thank You 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:38.609 Chair. In regards to the notification we had this on a case 00:31:38.609 --> 00:31:39.920 three four yeah three 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.279 or four months ago. Mm-hmm. Were notifications sent in the 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.319 ETJ? Do not 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.579 think so no. Okay. All right we'll bring that up in matrix 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:49.359 then. Okay. 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.359 Commissioner Beck. 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.960 Yes. 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.490 That's correct that's my understanding and in their 00:32:15.490 --> 00:32:17.920 property it just barely 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:24.039 touches it but yet this area. That's correct yes it's in 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.400 this general area. 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.690 Right and it's it's not much of their property again it's 00:32:29.690 --> 00:32:30.720 in the northeast 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.960 portion of it but certainly we looked in yes. Commissioner 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:34.680 Beck you've got your idea 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.960 and I'm sorry. I'm getting the lights flashing. Should I 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:39.480 say that over again? 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:51.589 Okay sorry. Anybody else? Thank you Ron. Thank you. That 00:32:51.589 --> 00:32:52.319 will get through our 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.220 public hearing section and we will go back now and catch 00:32:57.220 --> 00:32:59.079 both our individual 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:04.000 consideration items and also our work session report and 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.480 that will be Chad 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:11.359 Allen. Chad before you get started how long will your 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:12.079 presentation be? I'm 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.160 trying to decide whether we want to take a break now and 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.039 get food while you're 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:22.480 getting ready or okay great. 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:38.950 I think they may have practiced it. Good evening chair, 00:33:38.950 --> 00:33:39.880 commissioners. I'm Chad 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.420 Allen. I'm deputy city engineer responsible for Capital 00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:43.799 Project Delivery 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.789 and I and Preetam our traffic engineer are going to talk 00:33:46.789 --> 00:33:48.200 about the drainage and 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.799 transportation design criteria manuals update and we're 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:51.799 going to try to keep it 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.910 short. We're just going to talk about try to talk about the 00:33:53.910 --> 00:33:54.599 changes that have 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.960 happened since the last time we presented this to the 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:58.119 Commission which was on 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.880 January 24th. So we're just going to try to focus on the 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.720 changes. We're going to 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.880 ask you tonight to consider to make any more comments that 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:09.880 you might want to 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.309 make about the manuals and then later during the public 00:34:12.309 --> 00:34:13.400 meeting hopefully to 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.070 recommend approval of the changes of the design criteria 00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:18.119 manuals to City 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.889 Council and again we're talking about the drainage design 00:34:20.889 --> 00:34:21.840 criteria manual and 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.010 the transportation design criteria manual. So this is where 00:34:26.010 --> 00:34:26.719 we're at in 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.119 the process. We presented this to planning and zoning back 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.599 on January 24th. 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.099 At that time we were going through a 30-day official 00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:36.639 comment public comment 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.409 period. We had put a public notice at City Hall. We'd 00:34:39.409 --> 00:34:40.400 uploaded all the 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.550 documents to the website and we had distributed them to the 00:34:43.550 --> 00:34:44.320 development 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.469 community. After the last planning and zoning meeting we 00:34:47.469 --> 00:34:48.239 met with the 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.420 development community about the drainage design criteria 00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:52.719 manual on February 6th 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.710 and specifically we met with the Denton Community 00:34:55.710 --> 00:34:57.519 Development Alliance. On 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.510 February 13th we met with that same organization about the 00:35:00.510 --> 00:35:00.960 transportation 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.150 design criteria manual and we received a lot of feedback 00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:04.280 from them. Their 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.429 comments and our responses to their comments are in your 00:35:07.429 --> 00:35:09.000 backup. We 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.769 incorporated we made a lot of changes based on those 00:35:11.769 --> 00:35:13.039 comments and we revised 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.320 the drafts by March 1st and then on March 6th we started 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.679 another final seven 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.849 public comment day period. That's happening right now and 00:35:20.849 --> 00:35:21.840 that lasts until 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.780 March 13th. Tonight we're bringing them back to planning 00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:25.400 and zoning for 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.389 consideration and then hopefully for approval tonight and 00:35:28.389 --> 00:35:30.039 then after the 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.849 public comment period is over on March 13th we expect to 00:35:33.849 --> 00:35:34.840 have the final drafts 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.840 completed on the 15th. We're currently scheduled to go to 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:38.880 council on the 20th 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.039 for a public hearing. We'll give the entire presentation we 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:42.599 gave to planning 00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.989 and zoning at that council public hearing along with the 00:35:45.989 --> 00:35:46.400 all of the 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:48.989 changes. We'll discuss all the changes at that meeting and 00:35:48.989 --> 00:35:49.760 then hopefully a 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.239 couple days after that we'll be able to publish the final 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:52.960 updates to the 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.550 manuals and upload them to the website and start 00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:56.840 distributing them to the 00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:01.739 development community. So these are the major changes that 00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:02.159 happen to the 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.849 drainage manual after the public comment period and after 00:36:04.849 --> 00:36:05.760 receiving your feedback 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.929 at the last planning and zoning meeting. We received 53 00:36:09.929 --> 00:36:11.000 comments during the 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.989 public comment period mostly from the Denton Community 00:36:13.989 --> 00:36:15.000 Development Alliance 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.429 and then we received some good feedback from planning and 00:36:17.429 --> 00:36:19.360 zoning on January 24th. 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.349 One of the things we didn't do the very first thing we 00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:23.519 wanted to do was define 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.920 I-swim in the manual and we realized tonight right before 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:26.639 this meeting that we 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.760 didn't do that. We've actually made that change. Our 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.000 consultant has that in his 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.650 lap over there so that definitely will be incorporated into 00:36:33.650 --> 00:36:34.400 the final manual. I 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.409 apologize about that. We also clarified the fence policy. 00:36:38.409 --> 00:36:38.880 These are the major 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.280 changes in the in the drainage manual. We clarified the 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.519 fence policy or we tried to. 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.750 We hope we did that to your satisfaction. Basically the 00:36:45.750 --> 00:36:46.960 Denton development code 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.949 describes some of our fence requirements and the 00:36:49.949 --> 00:36:51.519 development code now says that 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.630 there's no fences allowed in drainage easements or in flood 00:36:54.630 --> 00:36:56.239 plains. That's been 00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.800 added to the development code. It didn't previously used to 00:36:58.800 --> 00:36:59.960 say flood plains. It 00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:02.760 just focused on drainage easements so that change has been 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:03.340 made to the 00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:06.329 development code. No new fences in drainage easements or 00:37:06.329 --> 00:37:06.920 flood plains 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:11.769 except where an exception is provided in the design 00:37:11.769 --> 00:37:13.360 criteria. So we did 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.809 provide one exception in the design criteria and it 00:37:15.809 --> 00:37:16.880 basically says if there's 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.429 a drainage easement that has a fully sized 100-year 00:37:20.429 --> 00:37:21.719 capacity underground 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.250 storm drain in the easement then you can put any non mason 00:37:24.250 --> 00:37:25.880 ry fence across it. Go 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.079 ahead. Question on that. I appreciate you all taking the 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:29.920 comment and 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.239 trying to address it. The question that I have when I read 00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.119 that it says further 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:40.280 down in the exception that you can do that provided that 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.679 there's not surface 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.219 flow there and I think typically where those come into 00:37:46.219 --> 00:37:48.079 account is we're gonna 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.730 have what's called overland relief situations wherever you 00:37:51.730 --> 00:37:52.719 have those pipe 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.099 systems through normally through residential yards. So even 00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:56.760 though there's 00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.840 an exception there because of the overland relief 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:00.880 requirement you're still 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.750 not gonna be able to put a fence there even if it's knock 00:38:04.750 --> 00:38:05.360 out. That's how I... I 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.349 guess you could look at it that way and the reason we are 00:38:08.349 --> 00:38:09.000 making that 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.550 requirement that there has to be a 100-year design pipe 00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:12.199 underground is 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.480 because we don't want to put a fence across a ditch that is 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:16.199 required to 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.739 carry some of that flow. So that's the whole reason for not 00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:21.039 wanting fences in 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.469 overland flow ditch sort of situations because they 00:38:24.469 --> 00:38:26.280 obstruct the flow. They can 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.929 be washed downstream during large storms and they could be 00:38:28.929 --> 00:38:29.679 debris that could 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.449 cause damage downstream so we don't want fences in those 00:38:32.449 --> 00:38:33.679 locations but the intent 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:37.179 of this exception was that if there is that pipe under the 00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:38.280 ground and if the 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.570 surface really isn't for carrying any of the 100-year storm 00:38:41.570 --> 00:38:42.199 it's basically 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.920 carried in that pipe then you can put your fence across it. 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:45.440 So just a 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.239 clarification I appreciate the clarification is that if it 00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:50.800 's a hundred 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.150 your storm can be carried in the pipe but you still have to 00:38:54.150 --> 00:38:55.559 have the requirement 00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:58.030 for if there's a problem with the pipe you know something 00:38:58.030 --> 00:38:58.880 blocks up the curb 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.980 inlet and you have to provide for overland relief which you 00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:03.440 have to do you 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.539 all are gonna allow fences to be in that application or not 00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:09.199 ? I think you're sort 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.119 of talking about a we cover that in this positive overflow 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.639 situation that we talk 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.679 about in the next bullet point but the intent generally is 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:19.840 to allow fences 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.829 across those drainage easements where there is an 00:39:22.829 --> 00:39:24.320 underground pipe system that's 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.769 sized appropriately. Okay. I think I kind of understand 00:39:27.769 --> 00:39:29.119 what you're saying those 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.070 pipe systems are going to be located in low points and 00:39:31.070 --> 00:39:32.039 there's going to be some 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.210 overland flow but basically the intent is to allow fences 00:39:36.210 --> 00:39:37.519 across there if that 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:41.690 pipe system exists. That's always a question that we I deal 00:39:41.690 --> 00:39:42.639 with constantly 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:46.239 with clients. Yeah. We have a drainage pipe why can't I put 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:46.840 a fence over it? 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.860 Right. And so just trying to clarify I know Commissioner 00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:50.880 Ellis asked the same 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.639 right it's a constant resident complaint concern and I 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:56.079 appreciate you all trying 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.269 to address it. We'll make sure it is allowed under those 00:39:59.269 --> 00:40:00.599 circumstances. Yes 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.940 that's definitely the intent. Commissioner Beck. Thank you 00:40:03.940 --> 00:40:04.880 chair. Are we 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.869 talking about privacy type fences or just fences? So these 00:40:08.869 --> 00:40:10.159 are privacy fences 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.639 for homeowners is it? Okay okay so we're probably looking 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:14.719 at wood fences then 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.949 something that would because it seems like if we had chain 00:40:17.949 --> 00:40:19.320 link or even you 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.760 know the metal fences that water can flow through. Right. 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:24.760 It didn't seem like it'd 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:28.159 be that big a deal but then I don't know. This allows any 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:28.480 kind of 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.710 fence across the drainage easement as long as that pipe 00:40:31.710 --> 00:40:32.800 system with a hundred 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.800 year storm capacity is installed underground. Okay. And the 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:37.239 panels are 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.230 removable. Yes so we can get in there for maintenance 00:40:40.230 --> 00:40:43.440 purposes. The next major 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:49.800 change was about the amount of water that's allowed to run 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:50.360 stormwater that's 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.829 allowed to discharge from a newly developed site and we've 00:40:52.829 --> 00:40:53.280 added the 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.320 requirement that if the flow exceeds 3 CFS or if it's less 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:57.679 than 300 CFS that it 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.369 has to be put underground. That this is something that we 00:41:00.369 --> 00:41:01.079 've been implementing 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.860 as part of the DRC process for a long long time. It just 00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:05.920 hasn't been described 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.460 in our design criteria very well so we tried to implement 00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:10.599 that now as part of 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.059 design criteria. In fact all of these policies the last 00:41:13.059 --> 00:41:13.960 three policies are 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.159 things that we've been implementing for a long time but 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:17.000 they just weren't 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.300 described in the design criteria well. The next thing is 00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:21.599 about positive overflow 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.179 areas. You may have sort of been talking about this. These 00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:24.940 positive overflow 00:41:24.940 --> 00:41:29.219 areas are low points in the road where there's an inlet at 00:41:29.219 --> 00:41:31.079 a low point and if 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.559 that inlet were clogged water would pond and possibly flood 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:35.440 structures around 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.610 that inlet. So we require that an acceptable outfall area 00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:40.639 be identified 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.630 for those areas and lately as part of the development 00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:44.599 process we've been 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.269 asking and trying to implement and asking developers to 00:41:47.269 --> 00:41:48.119 install concrete 00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:51.579 flumes and easements behind these low point inlets that 00:41:51.579 --> 00:41:52.519 drain to an 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.179 appropriate area to provide positive outflow in case the in 00:41:56.179 --> 00:41:56.880 lets are clogged. 00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.869 So that's what this is about. Again we've been implementing 00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:01.019 this as part of DRC 00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:04.010 for a long time. It just hasn't been described well in our 00:42:04.010 --> 00:42:05.420 criteria. That may 00:42:05.420 --> 00:42:09.360 be the clarification in the past they weren't concrete they 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:10.320 were grass areas. 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.019 So it seems like you can put a fence over it till you read 00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:13.880 that part that if 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.480 it's... So this fences aren't allowed here because this is 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:18.679 for the this is overland 00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.230 flow. This is identified for overland flow in those 00:42:22.230 --> 00:42:23.079 situations where the 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.269 inlets are clogged and right that exception about the f 00:42:26.269 --> 00:42:27.039 encing doesn't 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.400 apply for this situation. Right but if you're going to 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.079 require to be concrete 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.559 in all those situations and you can't put fences in them. 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:35.880 Correct. This is an 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.360 overland flow area. So we're trying we're trying to again 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:40.840 with our fence 00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.300 policy we're trying to not allow obstructions to the flow 00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:46.320 where overland 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.880 flow is is required where it is required but when there is 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:51.599 an underground 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.110 system where overland flow isn't required to carry any of 00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:54.800 the stormwater 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.929 you can fence across it which hasn't really been the case 00:42:57.929 --> 00:42:58.920 in the past. So we 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:03.940 are trying to make it more acceptable and flexible for 00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:06.360 fences. Okay. I'm not sure if 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.050 we satisfied you. I still feel like you're unsatisfied. 00:43:09.050 --> 00:43:11.119 Well I just I can 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:14.110 hear the comments coming in the future so okay anyway I 00:43:14.110 --> 00:43:14.960 appreciate you trying 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.150 to I appreciate you taking the feedback and trying to do 00:43:18.150 --> 00:43:18.800 what you can. I 00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:22.440 understand public safety comes first. I totally agree with 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.719 that. Right. And it's 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.079 just I know it's just always been a sore issue for a lot of 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:27.840 people in the past 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.530 of can't put a fence in the yard and there's a 16-foot 00:43:31.530 --> 00:43:32.960 strip I can't mow it I 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.099 mean I can't do anything with it but I got to mow it pay 00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:35.920 taxes on it I can't 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.909 use it and you've heard it plenty of times too so just 00:43:38.909 --> 00:43:39.719 asking while we're 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.710 talking about it. Okay. Thank you. And the next bullet 00:43:42.710 --> 00:43:43.760 point is also something 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.030 we've been implementing for a long time as part of DRC it 00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:46.880 hasn't been described 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.869 well in our design criteria and then it's about the FEMA 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:51.039 shaded zone X areas 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.170 on the firm panels these are shaded zone X areas that aren 00:43:54.170 --> 00:43:55.579 't really the the 500 00:43:55.579 --> 00:43:57.880 year areas that we don't really regulate in but these are 00:43:57.880 --> 00:43:58.920 the ones that have a 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.960 small less than square mile drainage area and they're 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:03.239 identified as shaded 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:07.199 zone X areas on the flood map. As part of the DRC process 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.039 we treat them as flood 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.860 plain areas and we ask developers to process map to study 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:14.079 them and process 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.920 map revisions if required and go through the FEMA process 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.159 and so we just wanted 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.809 to clarify that in our design criteria something we've been 00:44:21.809 --> 00:44:22.559 doing for a long 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.019 time through DRC but it's never been described well in our 00:44:26.019 --> 00:44:28.880 design criteria. 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.900 Good evening everyone my name is Preetam Deshmukh I'm the 00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:37.880 traffic engineer for 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.159 the city and I'll be talking about what happened with the 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:41.679 transportation 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:47.559 criteria manual we back when we came to this commission 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.480 before since then we met 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.980 with as Chad mentioned we met with the Dent Community 00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:55.000 Development Alliance and 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:59.349 received approximately 37 comments during that period and 00:44:59.349 --> 00:45:00.360 majority of the 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.909 comments were more of clarification or you know some more 00:45:04.909 --> 00:45:06.639 information that was 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.050 missing in in the manual it wasn't clear enough and we've 00:45:10.050 --> 00:45:11.400 responded to all the 00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.869 comments there in the backup and the major changes related 00:45:15.869 --> 00:45:17.239 to truck turning 00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.409 radiuses on driveways and where they would be applicable 00:45:21.409 --> 00:45:21.960 some of the 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.949 commercial driveways don't require them such as offices 00:45:24.949 --> 00:45:26.039 some of them require so 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:29.030 we have that discussion there were also some clarification 00:45:29.030 --> 00:45:29.880 regarding parking 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.679 spaces the criteria manual had slightly different 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.719 notifications compared to the 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:41.800 development code and we clarified that when that type of 00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:42.480 dimensions were 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:48.349 allowed additionally we explained more on driveway spacings 00:45:48.349 --> 00:45:49.159 there were some 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.530 information that was missing and I want to point out them 00:45:53.530 --> 00:45:54.760 the most important 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.530 comment was pre-development meeting there was a lot of 00:45:57.530 --> 00:45:59.000 questions about when 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.039 do we find out when the traffic studies needed when do we 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.239 find out what kind of 00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.500 impacts I'm gonna have when do we find out how much am I 00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:08.000 responsible for so 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.239 definitely we've laid in notes and try to make it as clear 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.039 as possible that 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.809 when you get together during pre-development meetings we 00:46:17.809 --> 00:46:18.559 talk about 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.269 what kind of plans you have and come up with the scoping 00:46:22.269 --> 00:46:23.760 for the traffic impact 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.750 analysis and there was some clarification about the round 00:46:26.750 --> 00:46:27.239 about designs 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:31.750 these are our main comments and at this time we do 00:46:31.750 --> 00:46:33.519 recommend good 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.320 commissioner Ellis thank you chair with regard to the 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.960 traffic impact analysis 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.210 and I did see your line in there about it being it should 00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:43.440 be scheduled at the 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.429 same time as pre-development meeting which is great then 00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:47.760 you added a point 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:53.030 that I have a question about just for its clarity it talks 00:46:53.030 --> 00:46:54.599 about developments 00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:02.940 that have are pending recently approved and it talks about 00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:04.440 that located 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.590 adjacent to the site that we're gonna be talking about or 00:47:07.590 --> 00:47:11.159 in close proximity do 00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.750 we want to define that better than mentioning in close 00:47:13.750 --> 00:47:14.800 proximity what does 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:25.519 that even mean so what happens is that proximity is defined 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:27.159 based on the type 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.260 of project the size of project say for example there is a 00:47:30.260 --> 00:47:31.360 huge project coming 00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.400 in large development four or five hundred homes the the 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.079 study area goes 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:40.250 beyond a certain level so we look at larger circulation 00:47:40.250 --> 00:47:41.559 network we look at 00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.250 larger scope we look at more intersections that will be 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:46.119 impacted and 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.659 based on that now we define that that would be our area and 00:47:49.659 --> 00:47:50.679 then we'll pick 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.130 whatever is adjacent to the area so if we corner ourselves 00:47:54.130 --> 00:47:55.079 saying within 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.460 quarter mile or half mile it's not fair for smaller 00:47:58.460 --> 00:48:00.119 developments it's not fair 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.690 for larger to that it's kind of a and I guess I understand 00:48:03.690 --> 00:48:04.800 where you're coming 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.969 from but it this is a criteria manual for a developer to 00:48:08.969 --> 00:48:09.840 look at this doesn't 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.110 really say anything to them about what's expected about you 00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:15.480 mean the way it reads 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.820 is okay development plus recently approved or pending 00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:18.880 development which is 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.590 not yet but construction located adjacent to the site and 00:48:22.590 --> 00:48:23.360 or in close 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.530 proximity it's just I mean you I guess it leaves you open 00:48:27.530 --> 00:48:28.440 to say anything to them 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:33.130 so this is part of the comment that we tried to address 00:48:33.130 --> 00:48:34.719 from from PNC I think 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.260 PNC was worried that we were approving all these different 00:48:38.260 --> 00:48:39.360 plants and all these 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.989 different new land uses coming in play and what are we 00:48:42.989 --> 00:48:44.039 doing as far as 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.679 something that's already proved that may or may not happen 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:48.880 but should be 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.869 considered if for the next developer to come in because 00:48:51.869 --> 00:48:53.000 that traffic will be 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.760 added and no one's looking at that traffic so as part of 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:57.960 addressing that 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:02.440 particular issue is we came up with this requirement that 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:03.880 once the developer 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.429 comes in and discusses about the traffic study we as as a 00:49:07.429 --> 00:49:09.320 city staff will look 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.000 at other development that I'll work with planning to get 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:13.159 other developments that 00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.989 have been recently approved and add that traffic to the 00:49:15.989 --> 00:49:17.000 system so we're talking 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:20.489 in terms of traffic to the system not necessarily the 00:49:20.489 --> 00:49:21.880 development itself that 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.269 all the other developments we don't care but the traffic 00:49:24.269 --> 00:49:25.239 that's going to be on 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:29.469 the network is considered as background traffic and then 00:49:29.469 --> 00:49:30.460 the new project will 00:49:30.460 --> 00:49:33.449 add more time yeah and I definitely understand the need for 00:49:33.449 --> 00:49:34.360 it I just I 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.400 don't like the way that it's written okay we can clarify a 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.239 little bit more I 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:43.139 just yeah close proximity just doesn't do anything for me I 00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:44.360 mean it is that a 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:50.679 quarter mile a mile say we can say within the approved 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.400 study area within the 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:56.239 decided study area yeah okay I'll read it a little bit more 00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:57.800 okay thank you okay 00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:05.690 change it any other questions so moving forward we 00:50:05.690 --> 00:50:09.400 recommend approval of these 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.000 design criteria manuals both strong order design criteria 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:13.599 manual and 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.230 transportation design curriculum after final input from the 00:50:17.230 --> 00:50:18.519 community and final 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.039 revisions 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.380 Commissioner Osello thank you chair just so I understand 00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:35.000 the recommendation 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.980 process tonight there would be a motion for approval but 00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:40.760 there's still two steps 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.530 to be done with public comment and final revisions so we 00:50:43.530 --> 00:50:44.639 would be approving a 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.309 document that we would not see the final revisions to 00:50:47.309 --> 00:50:48.480 before recommending 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:48.480 approval of you will be recommending approval to council 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:54.920 and council will be 00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.269 hosting a public meeting that's a public meeting there 00:50:58.269 --> 00:50:59.679 could be comments at that 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.079 point so it's that whole process where council is the final 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:05.599 authority approving 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:09.230 the final document but in this current form as it's 00:51:09.230 --> 00:51:10.360 addressed you're 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:15.139 recommending approval I think understand that but when we 00:51:15.139 --> 00:51:17.000 recommend approval it's 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.360 possible for council not to get the same copy that we have 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:22.760 since final revisions 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:26.719 could still be added correct okay 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.599 I'll have another question and kind of backtrack to 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.679 Commissioner Ellis on the 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:44.719 TIA and another city has got a requirement of a certain 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:46.559 traffic study 00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.780 that they have to keep current if for some reason that's 00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:51.000 not current and you 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.449 have a project coming on at what point is it the 00:51:54.449 --> 00:51:56.679 responsibility of developers 00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:00.260 to go and fill in those gaps I think it should be kind of 00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:01.719 Commissioner else's 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.710 point is that there's a certain area that they should fill 00:52:04.710 --> 00:52:05.599 in and if the maps 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.280 aren't current or there's information missing is there 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:09.960 anything in this 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.099 document that says if it's not current it's not the 00:52:13.099 --> 00:52:14.760 developers responsibility 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.050 to bring it and make it current the city brings it current 00:52:18.050 --> 00:52:19.239 and then they do their 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:23.960 certain area that makes sense yeah I think the city has its 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:25.840 own traffic model 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.309 that it's gonna keep up and current depending on whatever 00:52:29.309 --> 00:52:30.320 planning approves 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.690 moving forward whatever types of plan uses are approved so 00:52:34.690 --> 00:52:35.719 city will keep up 00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.719 keep the background traffic information the developer is 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:39.880 only responsible for 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.559 his piece and the city will provide the background 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:44.119 information I know y'all are 00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:48.110 catching up a lot of that we are and then don't get too far 00:52:48.110 --> 00:52:49.559 behind the layers 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.420 of the onion but I know once it's caught up it shouldn't be 00:52:53.420 --> 00:52:54.719 an issue but if for 00:52:54.719 --> 00:53:00.940 some reason in the future it's not current there needs to 00:53:00.940 --> 00:53:01.719 be something in 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:05.889 there that it's not the private developers responsibility 00:53:05.889 --> 00:53:06.639 to get that 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.090 current if the city hasn't maintained it and kept it 00:53:09.090 --> 00:53:10.679 current I think that should 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.679 be the city's responsibility to do that not the developers 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:16.440 like that but I I 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.780 believe that's always been the case that's really it's not 00:53:19.780 --> 00:53:20.400 developers 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.150 responsibility look keep everything current I agree with 00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:25.760 that and I'll just 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.750 leave my comment and we'll leave it there Commissioner Beck 00:53:28.750 --> 00:53:30.159 actually this a lot 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.329 of this goes over my head but in relationship to 00:53:32.329 --> 00:53:33.519 Commissioner Ellis's 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:38.280 and Chair strange these kind of details that are important 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:39.480 granted would these 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:42.760 not be the things you would discuss in the pre-development 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:43.800 meeting you know 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.789 when you want to narrow it down you're not going forward 00:53:46.789 --> 00:53:47.599 until you have that 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.340 meeting and at that meeting that close proximity would be 00:53:51.340 --> 00:53:52.400 defined then is that 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.039 correct correct okay that's exactly what it is for okay 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:58.440 thank you I guess I'd make 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:00.989 a comment back Commissioner Beck it's not so much as 00:54:00.989 --> 00:54:04.519 defined it's who defines it 00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:10.010 and I think it's if it's clearly written here it's a city 00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:11.480 traffic engineer and 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:15.349 the city engineer both are responsible to define and 00:54:15.349 --> 00:54:17.400 identify and the developer 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:21.570 would have no saying that no we will work with the 00:54:21.570 --> 00:54:23.679 developers okay yeah it's 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:28.219 not that this document we were trying to become we've tried 00:54:28.219 --> 00:54:28.960 to make it more 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:33.190 flexible okay depending on the type of development so 00:54:33.190 --> 00:54:34.159 probably getting in on 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:42.000 ultimately traffic engineer and city engineer decide a 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.480 question that comes to 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.719 mind on the pre-development meetings I'm glad to hear that 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.440 some of the comments 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:54.800 and some of the requirements will be handled in that is the 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:55.159 pre-development 00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.150 meeting are there any changes going into that and that may 00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:00.320 be outside this purview 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.949 that there are written comments that come out of those are 00:55:03.949 --> 00:55:05.079 those gonna be in 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.840 writing that you have a pre-development meeting all these 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:08.920 things are presented 00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:14.150 and then there's a written response from the city that you 00:55:14.150 --> 00:55:15.360 hand and say okay 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.710 here's all the items and you meet these criteria and you 00:55:19.710 --> 00:55:21.800 walk out because that 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:26.860 necessarily hasn't been the case I think it's been more of 00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:29.639 a conversation and 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:33.119 again I think this may be outside and getting a little bit 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:34.239 deeper of just the 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.699 transportation criteria manual but if it's going to be 00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:38.880 comments that are 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.050 binding is there a procedure that those come in writing 00:55:43.050 --> 00:55:44.880 they can and we can 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:48.590 include something like that and I could really add more to 00:55:48.590 --> 00:55:50.159 that one of the 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.969 changes we're looking at doing is as part of a really 00:55:53.969 --> 00:55:54.920 calling it a 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:59.820 pre-application meeting okay making sure though looking at 00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:00.599 we don't want to we 00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.960 don't want to blur the lines with respect to vesting but we 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:04.599 do want to 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:11.760 give what I was calling a determination of of review and 00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.239 basically what that 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.559 would what that means is after that meeting you'll get a 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:17.719 letter basically 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:21.710 outlining all of the specific requirements you need to do a 00:56:21.710 --> 00:56:22.480 TIA your 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:26.840 traffic shed is within a half mile plus you know whatever 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:28.719 that way when when an 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.090 applicant comes and submits their application they're not 00:56:31.090 --> 00:56:31.559 shuffling 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:36.159 through a multitude of checklists that that determination 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.679 of review is really 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.670 your checklist so if that's if you've submitted everything 00:56:40.670 --> 00:56:41.599 on that list your 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:43.630 application would be deemed complete and then start the 00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:44.840 review process but these 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:50.719 are things that we're working on in the process okay I'll 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:52.239 say maybe we'll talk 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:56.590 later I have to say everybody's spare the Jim strange brain 00:56:56.590 --> 00:56:58.119 damage so any 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:04.369 other comments for our questions for pre temp thank you 00:57:04.369 --> 00:57:06.360 guys I appreciate you 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:11.019 okay I think that takes care of all the items that we have 00:57:11.019 --> 00:57:12.239 on work session 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:16.409 anybody have anything else before close we'll close our 00:57:16.409 --> 00:57:18.159 work session at six 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:22.400 o'clock and we will reconvene in council chambers at 630 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.559 for those that were 00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.719 asking questions earlier about 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.829 good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and 00:57:33.829 --> 00:57:35.079 zoning commission 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:40.079 meeting for March 7 2018 this meeting has been duly posted 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:40.800 and we do have a 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.369 quorum present and I'll call us to order at 635 our first 00:57:45.369 --> 00:57:46.599 order of business will 00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:51.000 be to stand and give the pledge the US and the Texas flag 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:17.730 honor the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the Texas one 00:58:17.730 --> 00:58:19.519 state under God one 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.519 and indivisible 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.889 the next item on our agenda will be to consider the minutes 00:58:40.889 --> 00:58:42.480 for February 21st 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.650 Commissioner Smith motion to approve Commissioner Ellis 00:58:46.650 --> 00:58:48.480 second okay any 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:54.880 comments seeing none will call for a vote on the board 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:06.449 okay motion to approve carry six to zero will take us to 00:59:06.449 --> 00:59:08.800 our consent agenda 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.559 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I move to approve our 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:13.639 item in the consent 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.809 agenda okay Commissioner Smith I second okay we have a 00:59:17.809 --> 00:59:19.039 first and a second for 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:25.039 approval any discussion seeing none call for a vote on the 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:27.239 board 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:36.539 the motion carries six to zero we'll move us to item four 00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:38.800 our items for 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.880 individual consideration I will call on Chad Allen for 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.480 presentation on PZ 18 - 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:55.510 049 good evening chair commissioners I'm Chad Allen deputy 00:59:55.510 --> 00:59:57.840 city engineer in 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.159 charge of capital project delivery and tonight I and pre-t 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:02.079 am our traffic 01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:04.750 engineer will discuss the drainage and transportation 01:00:04.750 --> 01:00:05.960 design criteria manuals 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.659 update for a presentation tonight we're going to focus on 01:00:08.659 --> 01:00:09.599 the changes that have 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.780 been made to the manuals because of public comment and PNC 01:00:12.780 --> 01:00:14.119 feedback since the 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.579 last presentation to the planning and zoning Commission and 01:00:16.579 --> 01:00:17.320 that happened on 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:22.300 January 24th so we're asking you to provide any comments or 01:00:22.300 --> 01:00:23.280 accept comments 01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:26.820 from the public and then hopefully to recommend approval of 01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:27.440 the design 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.739 criteria manuals to City Council during this meeting and 01:00:29.739 --> 01:00:30.559 the manuals we're 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:32.880 talking about are the drainage design criteria manual and 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:33.800 the transportation 01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.969 design criteria manual so this is what's happened since the 01:00:37.969 --> 01:00:39.719 last time we discussed 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:43.480 this with PNC we our last PNC meeting was on January 24th 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:44.519 at that time we were 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:48.150 going through a 30-day public comment period in early 01:00:48.150 --> 01:00:49.639 February we also met 01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.889 with a development community about both manuals we met with 01:00:52.889 --> 01:00:54.239 them on February 6th 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.820 about the drainage design criteria manual and on February 01:00:56.820 --> 01:00:57.719 13th about the 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.710 transportation design criteria manual and specifically when 01:01:00.710 --> 01:01:01.360 we met with the 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.679 Denton Community Development Alliance during both of those 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:05.559 meetings and we 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.550 received a lot of feedback from them about the manuals 01:01:08.550 --> 01:01:09.679 after that we've 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:12.449 incorporated a lot of their comments into the manuals and 01:01:12.449 --> 01:01:13.360 or we revised the 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.030 drafts of the manuals by March 1st and then we started 01:01:16.030 --> 01:01:17.199 another public comment 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.030 period a seven-day public comment period yesterday on March 01:01:21.030 --> 01:01:22.239 6th tonight we're 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.369 presenting for your consideration and approval hopefully 01:01:25.369 --> 01:01:26.880 and then after the 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.059 public comment period is over on March 13th we anticipate 01:01:30.059 --> 01:01:30.960 to have the final 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.420 draft completed by March 15th and we're currently scheduled 01:01:34.420 --> 01:01:35.199 to go to council 01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:39.219 for a public hearing on March 20th to talk about the manual 01:01:39.219 --> 01:01:40.119 s after that a 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.159 couple days later we hope to publish the final updates and 01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:44.320 update and upload the 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.309 manuals to the website and then start to send them out to 01:01:47.309 --> 01:01:48.239 the development 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:51.869 community for use we're just talking about the changes 01:01:51.869 --> 01:01:53.119 since the last PNZ 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.219 meeting these are the major changes that happen a lot of 01:01:56.219 --> 01:01:57.159 most of these are for 01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.469 public comment and then we also received feedback from PNZ 01:02:00.469 --> 01:02:02.480 on the 24th about the 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:06.050 drainage manual we received 53 comments mostly from the 01:02:06.050 --> 01:02:06.920 Denton Community 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.550 Development Alliance and we provided responses to all of 01:02:09.550 --> 01:02:10.400 those comments in 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:14.579 your backup some of the major changes we made were we tried 01:02:14.579 --> 01:02:16.159 to clarify the fence 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.889 policy basically we are asking that no new fences are 01:02:18.889 --> 01:02:19.920 placed in drainage 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.469 easements or in flood plains unless an exception is 01:02:23.469 --> 01:02:25.119 provided in the design 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:28.880 criteria manual and basically that exception is if there's 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:29.000 a direct if 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.000 there's a drainage easement and in that drainage easement 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:32.519 there's a 100-year 01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.840 storm designed full capacity underground storm drain system 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:36.559 located in that 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.230 easement then any non-Masonry fence would be allowed to 01:02:40.230 --> 01:02:41.159 cross that easement 01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:44.800 as long as it has knockout panels three other things we've 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:45.800 added are are 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.079 basically items that we've been implementing as part of the 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:49.599 development 01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:52.179 process for a long time but they've just never been clearly 01:02:52.179 --> 01:02:53.000 described in the 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.659 development code or the design criteria manual so we're 01:02:55.659 --> 01:02:56.719 trying to get those in 01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:00.260 right now as part of the update first one is a limit of the 01:03:00.260 --> 01:03:01.199 discharge from 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:06.110 newly developed sites of stormwater of 3 CFS or less if it 01:03:06.110 --> 01:03:08.000 's greater than 3 CFS 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.840 or less than 300 cubic feet per second then we're asking 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:11.760 for it to be placed in 01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.230 an underground storm drain system again this is something 01:03:14.230 --> 01:03:15.320 we currently implement 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:18.780 through DRC but it wasn't really described well in our 01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:19.840 design criteria 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.260 manual the second one is about flumes and easements that 01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:23.840 are associated with 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.159 positive overflow areas these are areas at inlets that are 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:28.480 located in low points 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.469 of streets and we have been asking as part of the DRC 01:03:31.469 --> 01:03:32.679 process and we have been 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.670 implementing that developers provide a concrete flume and 01:03:35.670 --> 01:03:36.639 an easement in these 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:40.809 overflow areas so that stormwater can if the inlet is clog 01:03:40.809 --> 01:03:41.599 ged storm water can 01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.590 flowing along a certain path to an acceptable outfall 01:03:44.590 --> 01:03:45.559 location so again 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.809 we've been implementing this and now we're just trying to 01:03:47.809 --> 01:03:48.440 get it into the 01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:52.610 design criteria and then finally we're adding the fact that 01:03:52.610 --> 01:03:54.079 FEMA shaded zone X 01:03:54.079 --> 01:04:01.750 areas on firm panels are required to be possibly FEMA map 01:04:01.750 --> 01:04:02.320 provisions are 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.469 required if developers want to reclaim those areas or 01:04:05.469 --> 01:04:06.880 reclaim the floodplain 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.760 associated with the FEMA shaded zone X areas and there's a 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:11.119 couple different 01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:13.489 shaded zone X areas on the firm panels there's those that 01:04:13.489 --> 01:04:14.440 are associated with 01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.039 the 500 year storm event and we don't regulate those and 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:17.960 then there are those 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:21.119 that are associated with minor watersheds that are less 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:21.920 than one square 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:24.909 mile and we treat those just as any other floodplain 01:04:24.909 --> 01:04:25.920 developers are asked to 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:30.090 stay out of them or provide a study and provide BF identify 01:04:30.090 --> 01:04:31.800 BF ease and then put 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:36.440 them in easements and perform map revisions if necessary so 01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:37.079 again we've 01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:39.179 been doing that for a long time in the DRC process and we 01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:40.760 're trying to now put 01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.030 it into the develop the design criteria free time is going 01:04:44.030 --> 01:04:45.320 to come up and talk 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:52.449 about the drainage criteria manual changes now good evening 01:04:52.449 --> 01:04:54.880 my name is free 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.880 time - look I'm the traffic engineer for the city of Denton 01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:58.760 chair 01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:04.750 commissioners a little bit of I wanted to clarify the what 01:05:04.750 --> 01:05:05.920 Chad missed on the 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:09.730 last one and drainage criteria the definition for the I 01:05:09.730 --> 01:05:10.599 swim will be 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:14.000 included in the drainage new criteria manual that was one 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:14.920 of the comments from 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.389 the commissioners I just wanted to make it on the record I 01:05:17.389 --> 01:05:19.079 'll move on talk about 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:22.980 transportation criteria manual here we received about 37 01:05:22.980 --> 01:05:24.519 comments and primarily 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:28.690 came from Denton Community Development Alliance and we've 01:05:28.690 --> 01:05:31.039 responded or provided 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.210 a response to all of the comments in the backup majority of 01:05:35.210 --> 01:05:36.440 comments needed 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.619 clarification more information was needed and footnotes and 01:05:40.619 --> 01:05:41.719 stuff like that 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.110 the major ones that we focused on and they're listed here 01:05:46.110 --> 01:05:47.599 are truck turning 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:51.079 radiuses that may or may not be required for commercial 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:51.800 driveways 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.969 clarification on parking spaces the part this dimension of 01:05:55.969 --> 01:05:57.280 the parking spaces 01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.079 were slightly different from the development code what's 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:02.159 included in the 01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:06.659 current development code so that was clarified we added 01:06:06.659 --> 01:06:07.480 more information 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:11.829 about driveway spacing that provided a clear understanding 01:06:11.829 --> 01:06:12.760 of what was required 01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:17.320 from from develop developers that came in and then last but 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:18.159 not least which is 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:22.329 the most important thing that we did is things were better 01:06:22.329 --> 01:06:23.280 defined in the 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.829 pre-development meeting I don't think that was clarified in 01:06:25.829 --> 01:06:26.519 the previous 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.510 version of the transportation criteria manual but there 01:06:29.510 --> 01:06:30.239 will be a pre-development 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.980 meeting where the developers would find out what they're 01:06:33.980 --> 01:06:35.920 required to do so those 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:41.789 are the things that were changed and based on that we at 01:06:41.789 --> 01:06:43.920 this point recommend 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:48.179 the commissioners to or the Commission to approve and and 01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:49.599 recommend approval 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:54.840 the two criteria manuals I just wanted to last note notify 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:55.719 that they were 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:59.360 currently the public comment period which means we will 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:00.360 still continue to 01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:04.050 receive public comments and and then we have a public 01:07:04.050 --> 01:07:05.800 meeting and I mentioned 01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:14.369 earlier on March 20th with City Council thank you I have a 01:07:14.369 --> 01:07:16.400 comment I'm gonna 01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:18.750 tell you guys I think you've done a great job with your 01:07:18.750 --> 01:07:20.519 presentation I know 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:23.510 you all have heard me number of times asked when we're 01:07:23.510 --> 01:07:24.840 going to do ordinance 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.900 or criteria manual updates to get the stakeholders of 01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:29.079 people that have to 01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.519 comply with all these to sit down go over them try to work 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:33.440 out as many of 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.219 those things beforehand before we get an ordinance I think 01:07:36.219 --> 01:07:37.039 you guys have done a 01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:39.809 great job I think that's the way it should be and I want to 01:07:39.809 --> 01:07:41.039 just as good as 01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.280 I give and take give you guys congratulations because I do 01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:44.920 think you 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:48.940 all have done a good job of going out in the community to 01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:50.599 get input and listen to 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.960 it and then incorporate in there so thank you all for doing 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:54.920 that and I think 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.159 that's a good role for us to continue to look at and do in 01:07:58.159 --> 01:07:59.719 the future so good 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:09.400 job anybody else thank you for your presentation thank you 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:19.659 so that's our presentation on our individual consideration 01:08:19.659 --> 01:08:20.680 item floor will 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:24.800 be open for motion or discussion 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.689 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair thank you guys for for 01:08:31.689 --> 01:08:32.520 your presentation and 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:36.069 your hard work on this and in dealing with comment and 01:08:36.069 --> 01:08:38.039 explanation I'm gonna 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:42.680 move that we approve this and move this forward to council 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:43.560 for a full 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:49.430 presentation there and hopefully approval Commissioner back 01:08:49.430 --> 01:08:50.880 I think that 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.010 motion again with the understanding this is going to move 01:08:53.010 --> 01:08:54.079 on to the City Council 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:57.359 and public hearing is still part of the process but yes I 01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:58.880 second okay we have a 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:03.279 motion to approve in a second and I will add just a 01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:05.239 clarification that the public 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:08.229 comment section is still open so people that do want to 01:09:08.229 --> 01:09:09.079 make comments or 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.250 suggestions you're still able to do so and is there a final 01:09:13.250 --> 01:09:14.439 cutoff date for 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:18.039 that that people need to be aware of 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:26.119 13th March 13th okay so get your comments in the next week 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:27.520 thank you all 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:33.640 with that is there any other discussion or comments okay 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.239 call for a vote on the 01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:37.399 board 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:50.539 and motion carries six to zero that will move us to our 01:09:50.539 --> 01:09:52.920 public hearings section 01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:59.090 see me this time I'm going to open the public hearing for Z 01:09:59.090 --> 01:10:02.640 17 - 0 0 2 9 and 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:06.199 Cindy Jackson will present that item thank you 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:09.439 Commission chair 01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:40.069 I'm sorry I'm gonna have to find my presentation in here 01:10:40.069 --> 01:10:45.920 somewhere 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:07.319 okay thank you for waiting okay this is Z 17 - 0 0 2 9 is a 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:09.399 request to rezone 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:14.380 approximately 1.7 acres from neighborhood residential and 01:11:14.380 --> 01:11:15.680 our to to 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:20.579 just to employment center commercial ECC district the site 01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:21.560 is located on the 01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:26.909 south side of University approximately 820 feet west of the 01:11:26.909 --> 01:11:27.680 intersection of 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:33.090 West University and Thomas J Egan here you can see the 01:11:33.090 --> 01:11:34.800 zoning map as it is 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:38.079 currently on the top and this is what the zoning map will 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:39.439 look like should 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:45.369 this request be approved with regards to compliance with 01:11:45.369 --> 01:11:47.500 the Denton plan the site 01:11:47.500 --> 01:11:52.640 is designated as rural areas on the future land use plan 01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:54.239 rural areas permit 01:11:54.239 --> 01:12:01.909 such uses as farms ranches very low density residential 01:12:01.909 --> 01:12:03.439 approximately on 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:07.789 approximately five acre lots and rural commercial uses the 01:12:07.789 --> 01:12:09.119 request does not 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:16.369 conform to the this designation of rural areas we believe 01:12:16.369 --> 01:12:18.239 that it was one of the 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:20.800 reasons it was designated as rural areas at the time that 01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:21.960 the comprehensive plan 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:26.609 was written is because of the fact that it's fairly unde 01:12:26.609 --> 01:12:28.520 veloped and agricultural 01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:32.869 uses in this area and the University was still just a two- 01:12:32.869 --> 01:12:34.159 lane road at that time 01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:38.840 since the comp plan has been written the University has 01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:40.760 been built to its full 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:48.840 capacity as a six lane divided arterial when a request does 01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:50.680 not conform to the 01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:54.689 future land use map the Denton Development Code gives 01:12:54.689 --> 01:12:55.279 additional 01:12:55.279 --> 01:13:00.359 criteria which we have to analyze the request with the 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.239 criteria are intended 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:04.590 to balance the competing interests of the public health 01:13:04.590 --> 01:13:05.359 safety morals and 01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:08.529 general welfare against the right to use to the use of the 01:13:08.529 --> 01:13:10.119 property and include 01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:13.109 things such as existing land use pattern the creation of an 01:13:13.109 --> 01:13:13.920 isolated zoning 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:17.380 district adequate infrastructure environmental impacts in 01:13:17.380 --> 01:13:18.039 the character of 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:23.909 the district a full discussion of these criteria are in 01:13:23.909 --> 01:13:25.840 your backup but I will 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:30.399 give an abbreviated version to you due to the size shape 01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:32.039 and location of the 01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:36.680 site along West University as well as the proximity to gas 01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:38.840 well sites this this 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:44.720 site is unlikely to develop as a single-family house 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:46.239 commercial uses are 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:50.199 more appropriate along primary primary arterials West 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:51.880 University will provide 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:56.800 adequate visibility and access for commercial use the ECC 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:57.600 districts are 01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:01.600 typically found near employment centers and in corporate 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.039 office and business 01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:07.760 workplaces with supporting secondary uses and development 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:09.600 will comply with all 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:13.770 ESA tree preservation buffer screening tree canopy lighting 01:14:13.770 --> 01:14:15.199 requirements all 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:19.930 all standards of the DDC that are applicable the 01:14:19.930 --> 01:14:21.840 infrastructure needs will 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:27.720 be accessed at the time of plotting and site plan this map 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:29.960 shows the location of 01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:34.409 the gas well plots in relation to the subject site the 01:14:34.409 --> 01:14:36.319 subject site is right 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.409 here designated by the star and as you can see from the 01:14:39.409 --> 01:14:40.699 city limits all the way 01:14:40.699 --> 01:14:43.689 to Mosh branch there are really just this site and two 01:14:43.689 --> 01:14:44.760 others that are not 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.109 encumbered by a gas well plot and of course what goes along 01:14:49.109 --> 01:14:49.960 with gas well 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.659 plots are gas wells and there is a preponderance of gas 01:14:52.659 --> 01:14:53.560 wells in the area 01:14:53.560 --> 01:15:00.479 which staff fields will prevent the area from the site from 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:01.239 developing as a 01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:08.119 single-family residential site access and mobility the site 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:09.659 has 1,234 linear 01:15:09.659 --> 01:15:13.199 feet of frontage along West University and is a significant 01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.680 retail cord as 01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:20.560 excuse me regional corridor it was recently as I mentioned 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:21.520 constructed to 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.539 its full capacity so it is now a primary arterial with six 01:15:24.539 --> 01:15:27.520 lanes and divided 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:31.840 public notifications went out for this site for this site 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:33.680 on February 15th we 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:38.800 sent certified mail to two property owners and we sent 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.439 courtesy notices to 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:43.199 the same two property owners due to the the large size of 01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:44.279 the land holdings in 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:50.439 this area that that covered the whole area we received one 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:51.760 response in 01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:56.689 opposition and that that response comprises 49% of the land 01:15:56.689 --> 01:15:57.640 area within the 01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:01.810 200 foot buffer because of that this will have to be 01:16:01.810 --> 01:16:03.279 approved by the City 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:08.069 Council with the super majority vote staff recommends 01:16:08.069 --> 01:16:09.359 approval of this 01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.140 request well the request is technically inconsistent with 01:16:13.140 --> 01:16:13.880 the future land use 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:18.050 map it is consistent with the overall goals of the Denton 01:16:18.050 --> 01:16:19.720 plan 2030 and it 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:23.680 conforms to the criteria for approval as outlined in the in 01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:25.239 the DDC that 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.399 concludes my presentation I'll stand for any questions and 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:29.319 the applicant is 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:33.189 present as well if you have any questions for him any 01:16:33.189 --> 01:16:34.840 questions for staff 01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:39.199 Commissioner Beck I am curious Cindy and thanks for your 01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:41.119 presentation how this 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:44.359 little slice got separated from anything else can you give 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:45.760 us any background well 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.979 I wasn't able to find out why okay the only the only thing 01:16:48.979 --> 01:16:50.000 we can figure out 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:55.029 is that the former property owner of this site just did not 01:16:55.029 --> 01:16:55.920 want to have to 01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.899 be involved with with the gas wells okay so it was never a 01:16:59.899 --> 01:17:01.239 part of the property 01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:05.239 that surrounds it okay thank you 01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:12.520 I see other questions thank you Cindy do you have one card 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.039 wishing to speak 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:21.159 Victor Ena at 1222 Golden Hoof Drive 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:27.819 please go ahead and give us your name and address and and 01:17:27.819 --> 01:17:30.239 then your time will 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:35.699 start sir yes Victor Ena like you stated earlier that's my 01:17:35.699 --> 01:17:36.680 address that's my 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:41.600 residence thank you councilman chairman councilman the last 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:42.840 time I was here was 01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:49.460 during fracking debacle and this location in dispute 01:17:49.460 --> 01:17:50.640 happens to be 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:55.319 approximately close to the same vicinity and I spoke to 01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:59.960 this chamber and a little 01:17:59.960 --> 01:18:04.189 altercation took place between the former mayor and myself 01:18:04.189 --> 01:18:05.039 because I have 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:09.210 written I wrote him with my concerns and he never returned 01:18:09.210 --> 01:18:10.520 my calls say I have 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:14.689 senators and congressmen wrote and called me back the fr 01:18:14.689 --> 01:18:16.720 acking went on even 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:20.189 though I complained here they were allowed to do the fr 01:18:20.189 --> 01:18:21.880 acking every day 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:25.680 non-stop the ordinance stated that they should stop fr 01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:28.239 acking at 7 p.m. and not 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:32.119 no construction on Sundays but they were allowed my 01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.880 complaints were disregarded 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:41.739 now we are talking about this zoning change I talked to a 01:18:41.739 --> 01:18:43.000 friend of mine at 01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.840 work who happens to be Caucasian now with this issue and he 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.600 told me that I'll I 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:57.039 better have my wife speak because I wasn't born here I've 01:18:57.039 --> 01:18:57.399 been in this 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:01.880 country 35 years married 32 years have four kids two of 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:02.800 them have master's 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:06.439 degrees and two of them will get masters in two months from 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:08.439 now I didn't think my 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.920 wife needed to speak on my behalf I had a little degree 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:19.340 myself the word my 01:19:19.340 --> 01:19:23.510 complaint earlier was was handled reminded me a little bit 01:19:23.510 --> 01:19:24.920 about a country 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:30.060 I left 35 years ago where people people's opinions doesn't 01:19:30.060 --> 01:19:31.539 count I know 01:19:31.539 --> 01:19:37.949 this the issue was then put on ballot and then citizens 01:19:37.949 --> 01:19:40.079 opposed it even though 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:44.970 they are congress in Austin over a rule here now with this 01:19:44.970 --> 01:19:46.920 zoning change in 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:51.930 question I believe this will change my property value there 01:19:51.930 --> 01:19:53.380 will be higher taxes 01:19:53.380 --> 01:20:04.479 involved as well as crime and noise so in my humble opinion 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:05.800 I strongly 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:12.420 disapprove of this I live on a five-acre ranch it's good on 01:20:12.420 --> 01:20:13.399 who Frank check I 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:20.789 have livestock as well so this will impact my residents a 01:20:20.789 --> 01:20:23.239 great deal so hope 01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:28.159 that the council will put this into consideration thank you 01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:29.640 very much some 01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:33.640 questions for you just a clarification yes are you the 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:34.699 applicant are you an 01:20:34.699 --> 01:20:40.319 adjacent property owner adjacent adjacent yes and it's less 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:41.279 than 500 feet 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:46.800 about I miss understand I miss understood but I thought you 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:47.039 were the 01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:51.279 applicant and I was puzzled with your comments so I click 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:53.439 clear clears up the 01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:56.569 you're an adjacent property owner yes thank you appreciate 01:20:56.569 --> 01:20:57.520 you coming out this 01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.510 evening and do you have another question for you yes like 01:21:00.510 --> 01:21:01.960 Commissioner Smith you 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:07.319 say you're you're just the east or the west of the property 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.539 on the side of you gotta gotta gotta so specifically you're 01:21:10.539 --> 01:21:11.479 worried that this 01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:18.279 zoning is going to increase fracking activity or what's the 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:18.760 noise level 01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:20.760 okay 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:36.920 this is all my property right here okay yes go for the 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:39.560 questions thank you sure 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:44.250 thank you sir for coming out this evening this is a public 01:21:44.250 --> 01:21:45.800 hearing anyone 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:49.000 else who would like to Commissioner back I'm sorry sir 01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:50.319 Victor could you come back 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:55.220 down I'm sorry I didn't didn't get my name up quick enough 01:21:55.220 --> 01:21:57.020 first off 01:21:57.020 --> 01:22:01.369 appreciate you coming down and speaking and congratulations 01:22:01.369 --> 01:22:02.720 on four kids getting 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:07.359 master's degree yes very good glad to have you here your 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:08.279 concern for noise 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:11.050 though now you sit back from where you pointed you sit back 01:22:11.050 --> 01:22:11.960 pretty far off the 01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:15.829 highway this is a small strip of land I'm not sure and 01:22:15.829 --> 01:22:16.939 maybe hopefully we'll 01:22:16.939 --> 01:22:19.399 get the applicant down here kind of give us an idea of what 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:21.039 's going on there but 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:24.449 what runs through your mind with this so much things what 01:22:24.449 --> 01:22:25.640 do you think is going 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:28.840 to be there to create the problems you're concerned about 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:30.119 well the way I 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:35.659 see it it's like you give somebody an inch they want a fee 01:22:35.659 --> 01:22:36.619 you give me a fee 01:22:36.619 --> 01:22:41.640 they want a yard so this is approved who's to say that down 01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:43.039 the road since 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:47.949 one commercial business is already approved who's to say 01:22:47.949 --> 01:22:48.640 that the rest of 01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:52.319 the property understood understood and I do understand that 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.000 but if you we look at 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.350 the Syrian is Cindy pointed out because of all the gas 01:22:58.350 --> 01:23:00.479 wells there and trust me 01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:04.350 I empathize with your concern over fracking but now that 01:23:04.350 --> 01:23:06.439 they're there this 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:09.430 isn't going to be a logical place on this side of the 01:23:09.430 --> 01:23:11.000 highway it's not going 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:14.640 to be appealing to developers for single-family residential 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:15.359 and it seems 01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:20.520 right now to me at least that this would be a likely zone 01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:22.319 change and perhaps all 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:25.560 along that way again understand the concern for noise 01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:26.399 everything like that 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.890 but they've widened 380 now it's a six lane highway as 01:23:29.890 --> 01:23:30.680 opposed to when you 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.909 probably first moved there when it was so I think that's 01:23:33.909 --> 01:23:34.760 going to be an 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:40.630 inevitable faith of this area so I you know I don't get me 01:23:40.630 --> 01:23:41.319 wrong I'm not 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:44.079 unsympathetic towards your concerns there but I think there 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:44.800 's ways that we 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:48.760 control that as each item comes through here we reevaluate 01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:50.239 it before it goes in 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:53.229 and make sure it isn't going to be so disruptive to the 01:23:53.229 --> 01:23:54.319 surrounding area so I 01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:58.489 wanted at least you know share that with you now will I get 01:23:58.489 --> 01:24:00.720 a guarantee that my 01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:06.590 property tax will not go up not for me I'm not in that 01:24:06.590 --> 01:24:08.079 position to do that but 01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:12.500 what would make you think that it would increase property 01:24:12.500 --> 01:24:15.960 taxes okay thank you 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:19.939 thank you for coming out this evening again this is a 01:24:19.939 --> 01:24:21.840 public hearing anyone 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:25.550 who would like to speak on this item please come forward at 01:24:25.550 --> 01:24:26.239 this time 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.529 seeing none will close the public hearing and open the 01:24:30.529 --> 01:24:31.920 floor for discussion 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:35.579 or motion Commissioner Beck I would like the applicants 01:24:35.579 --> 01:24:36.720 here if you come down I 01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:44.789 kind of you have a question if you will give your name and 01:24:44.789 --> 01:24:46.359 address force 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:49.720 please sir my name is dr. Leshacker I live at Lake Iowa 01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:51.159 Texas which is in a 01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:56.810 part of Gainesville Cook County thank you dr. Shacker yes 01:24:56.810 --> 01:24:57.520 okay thank you for 01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:02.239 coming down the one opposition letter we got was from the 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:03.279 property owner that 01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:08.520 surrounds this piece a miss Nadra Mitchell and she said she 01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:09.000 couldn't be 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.600 here tonight but she's concerned that this is an area that 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:14.159 's surrounded by 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:19.989 wheat fields can if she's watching or she can review this 01:25:19.989 --> 01:25:21.319 video later what 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:23.609 could you convey to her that this is not going to be 01:25:23.609 --> 01:25:24.800 disruptive to her wheat 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.789 fields I mean is there something to share with us that 01:25:27.789 --> 01:25:29.020 would let us know that the 01:25:29.020 --> 01:25:32.189 type of developments you're going to do is absolutely well 01:25:32.189 --> 01:25:33.319 let me just give you a 01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:36.810 little history what happened here many years ago I wanted 01:25:36.810 --> 01:25:37.920 to build a clinic 01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:44.100 here in Denton and it was very difficult to find adequate 01:25:44.100 --> 01:25:45.880 medical space here in 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:48.270 that and I found this piece of property was going to put up 01:25:48.270 --> 01:25:49.119 my medical clinic 01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:53.890 when fortunately I found a nice building right on I-35 and 01:25:53.890 --> 01:25:55.000 I was left with this 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:58.770 this piece of property and I've been trying to sell it and 01:25:58.770 --> 01:25:59.720 then you had a 01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:05.229 zone change in the early 2000s which made it in our two and 01:26:05.229 --> 01:26:06.439 they came in with 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:09.770 all of these gas wells and of course nobody's going to 01:26:09.770 --> 01:26:11.439 build a household near 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.430 an NR to zone that's clear because I've had it up for sale 01:26:14.430 --> 01:26:15.520 for I don't know how 01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:19.149 many over the last five years we've had a number of 01:26:19.149 --> 01:26:21.520 requests for ECC now we just 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:25.390 have ECC all over the place just east of us and just as 01:26:25.390 --> 01:26:26.760 another word of history 01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:29.840 in United States I don't know why you can hear I'm from I'm 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:30.720 from the south 01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:33.789 I'm from southern Staten Island New York but I've been here 01:26:33.789 --> 01:26:35.520 40 years you see but 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:39.800 your accent doesn't change excuse me for my fiction but 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:41.399 anyway it turns out if 01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:46.199 you really do a history all property in the United States 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:47.600 grows north and then 01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:51.439 grows west why that happens nobody knows if there's a 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:52.479 boundary of course that 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:56.119 might offset that but if you look it up that's the history 01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:57.520 now I'm not here to 01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:03.390 cause chaos for anybody the Mitchell's included but it 01:27:03.390 --> 01:27:04.960 turns out when people 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.899 put a gas well that diminishes my property my ability to 01:27:08.899 --> 01:27:10.159 sell it in fact I 01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:16.039 can't even sell it and under the ECC I'm not gonna feel 01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:17.079 interfere with their 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:20.539 their wheat cutting that's not my intention if there's a 01:27:20.539 --> 01:27:21.399 beautiful nice 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:26.010 building now the only salient value of this property is the 01:27:26.010 --> 01:27:28.840 1234 feet linear 01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:32.159 feet on a highway so people can come in and go out very 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:34.560 very easily so that had 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.550 to turn down a number of office so of course it's not in my 01:27:37.550 --> 01:27:38.600 benefit it's not 01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.420 an account he's benefit the city's benefit you're not going 01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:42.119 to get any more 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:46.560 taxes it's just going to be useless land and as you know in 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:48.239 this country we want 01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:53.699 land to be used and in fact a person can come literally sit 01:27:53.699 --> 01:27:54.720 on your land if they 01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:57.710 meet the criteria they can become an adverse possessor and 01:27:57.710 --> 01:27:58.520 actually literally 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.189 take over theoretically steal your land legally in this 01:28:02.189 --> 01:28:03.560 country so it's showing 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:07.460 you that the the fathers had very good thought we want land 01:28:07.460 --> 01:28:09.079 to be used I want 01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:12.439 the land to be used I don't want to disrupt the Mitchell's 01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:13.159 in any which way 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:15.739 I'm not interfering with the gas wells I wasn't here to 01:28:15.739 --> 01:28:17.000 protest their gas wells 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:22.829 I'm not here to protest their wheat cutting but I think it 01:28:22.829 --> 01:28:24.039 's just a natural 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:28.210 progression of all cities and of course anything that would 01:28:28.210 --> 01:28:29.439 come on that land I 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:33.399 can assure you it's gonna have to meet the zoning zoning 01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:35.079 and Planning Commission 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:41.239 and this is my first time trying to change the zoning and I 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:42.159 I'm very 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:46.109 impressed with Cindy Jackson's just terrific her analysis I 01:28:46.109 --> 01:28:46.800 couldn't 01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:50.970 embellish that any any better so I would employ you to 01:28:50.970 --> 01:28:52.039 consider have all 01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:54.590 considerations I'm a team player whatever you decide I'll 01:28:54.590 --> 01:28:55.239 go along with 01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:58.399 that thank you looks like I have another question 01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:03.000 Commissioner Smith thank you Dr. Seyar is that yeah sure so 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:03.680 the purpose of 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:05.869 rezoning it is purely just to be able to make a more market 01:29:05.869 --> 01:29:06.479 able sell the land 01:29:06.479 --> 01:29:10.649 correct okay they don't have a current developer who's one 01:29:10.649 --> 01:29:11.479 to take the land 01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:14.470 out from underneath you and use it no in fact I even 01:29:14.470 --> 01:29:16.159 offered to sell the land at 01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:19.239 a fraction of its value to the Mitchell's they said they 01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:19.800 were not 01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.810 interested and over a number of years I often them to 01:29:22.810 --> 01:29:24.239 purchase that land so they 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:28.239 have that but right now it's just useless piece of property 01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:28.960 does purely 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:32.220 reason with no no intent of what the usage is gonna be but 01:29:32.220 --> 01:29:33.039 just to reason 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:34.479 for it's correct other than all if I just want to get 01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:35.399 clarification no that's 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:40.590 exactly Cindy can ask you another question then thank you 01:29:40.590 --> 01:29:43.319 Dr. Seyar if we 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.310 do rezone this and this does become commercial uses what 01:29:46.310 --> 01:29:46.659 rules and 01:29:46.659 --> 01:29:49.760 regulations do we have on setbacks for commercial uses on 01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:50.840 this property at that 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.920 point in time because I'm just looking at it and measuring 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:55.199 it using you know a 01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:58.590 lot it's a very narrow piece of land and at the very most 01:29:58.590 --> 01:30:00.000 the widest part of land 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.649 you can tell me Dr. Seyar if you disagree with me the wid 01:30:02.649 --> 01:30:03.520 est part of the land 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:07.869 south from 380 down to the back edge of that property is a 01:30:07.869 --> 01:30:08.840 hundred and fifty 01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:14.840 feet yes so what 01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:34.859 we'll play some jeopardy music or something like that next 01:30:34.859 --> 01:30:36.560 time 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:09.750 for the ECC district yes ma'am the there are no setbacks 01:31:09.750 --> 01:31:12.479 okay the only time 01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:15.800 there was a setback is if it was abutting a single-family 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:16.760 user district 01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:21.800 okay so for this there would be 30 feet plus one foot for 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:22.880 each foot of building 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:27.279 height above 30 feet along the rear and and the west side 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:28.979 okay because the 01:31:28.979 --> 01:31:33.619 remainder of it this part right here sure narrow that it 01:31:33.619 --> 01:31:33.960 won't be able to be 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:36.649 used so basically that would have to become from a 01:31:36.649 --> 01:31:37.840 commercial use standpoint 01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:40.880 if someone wants to take by this land use and develop it 01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:41.640 you would have to be 01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:45.600 a driveway in basically is the or nothing or empty land to 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:46.600 the widest part 01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:49.590 of the property and so at the very most you could fit 01:31:49.590 --> 01:31:50.479 probably one piece of what 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:55.560 the guy was you could fit a everyone homes laughing at that 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:56.920 you could fit 01:31:56.920 --> 01:32:01.479 basically one one commercial building on there that's 01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:03.899 there's a median opening right here so the driveway 01:32:03.899 --> 01:32:05.279 entrance would probably be 01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:09.920 here so all of you would probably be drive okay and buffer 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:10.800 sure this is 01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.560 zoning case I don't get too deep but I just the utility of 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:14.319 the land I just 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.489 wanted to ask more questions about that thank you very much 01:32:17.489 --> 01:32:21.880 I appreciate it this 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:24.189 is a public hearing and anyone else that would like to 01:32:24.189 --> 01:32:25.279 speak on this item please 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:31.979 come forward at this time seeing none and we'll close the 01:32:31.979 --> 01:32:33.479 public hearing and 01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:37.960 open the floor for discussion or emotion 01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:44.310 Commissioner Smith a motion to approve Commissioner Roselle 01:32:44.310 --> 01:32:45.399 first of all I 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:49.750 want to thank Victor for coming out and speaking his words 01:32:49.750 --> 01:32:51.359 I don't think they go 01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:55.050 unnoticed by any of the Commission and it and I appreciate 01:32:55.050 --> 01:32:56.800 it but with that it 01:32:56.800 --> 01:33:00.340 seems like the property owners has been kind of pigeonholed 01:33:00.340 --> 01:33:01.199 by the the fracking 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:04.869 that's gone on in the area and so it seems the case that he 01:33:04.869 --> 01:33:06.359 provided in terms 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:08.800 of the context of the land that I'm going to vote and for 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:09.560 this and second 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:13.319 this to see if there can be some development if any on that 01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:14.920 property we 01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:18.840 have a first and a second for approval Commissioner Ellis 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:20.359 thank you if you were 01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:24.590 going to open it for discussion yes okay thank you very 01:33:24.590 --> 01:33:26.159 much thank you 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:30.640 dr. Shasheer and mr. Victor for coming out I'm having a 01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:31.520 rough time supporting 01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:35.329 this I'm sorry that staff didn't discuss a lesser zoning 01:33:35.329 --> 01:33:36.920 here the intensity of 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.090 the zoning concerns me I don't know that's where we want 01:33:40.090 --> 01:33:41.119 this particular 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:45.649 area of the city to go maybe we do at this point I don't 01:33:45.649 --> 01:33:47.920 know I am concerned 01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:54.090 as Victor stated that once we rezone this ECC it opens the 01:33:54.090 --> 01:33:56.000 door to properties 01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:59.930 to the West properties to the north that do abut these 01:33:59.930 --> 01:34:01.439 rural properties and we 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:04.470 can't discount the fact or I can't discount the fact that 01:34:04.470 --> 01:34:05.319 that there are 01:34:05.319 --> 01:34:10.439 rural property owners that still do exist in our area so I 01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:12.239 can't support 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:18.890 this and just wanted to get that on the record commissioner 01:34:18.890 --> 01:34:19.920 back thank you chair 01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:25.159 and I agree to agree with Commissioner Ellis's concerns but 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:26.439 I guess the bigger 01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:31.500 factor here is Victor lives on the north side and there's a 01:34:31.500 --> 01:34:32.680 good distance back 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:37.670 that area as far as I can see is not threatened with the 01:34:37.670 --> 01:34:39.840 zone change that 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.829 will come before us and I think it'll be a whole different 01:34:42.829 --> 01:34:45.119 argument but the area 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:50.270 south of the highway right now is is is almost dead because 01:34:50.270 --> 01:34:51.359 of the gas wells 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:55.710 there and unless you know we make some kind of move like 01:34:55.710 --> 01:34:56.579 this it will remain 01:34:56.579 --> 01:35:00.930 that way I really don't want to see residential expand I 01:35:00.930 --> 01:35:02.119 would like to see 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:06.760 it you know we want density in the city and that means 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:08.159 going up and not out so 01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:11.149 for that reason I would like to get this into more but 01:35:11.149 --> 01:35:12.359 commercial area and not 01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:17.020 encourage single-family developments out in that area so I 01:35:17.020 --> 01:35:20.239 would be voting for 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:24.560 Commissioner Smith thank you chair bargie or Commissioner 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:25.680 Ellis to your to your 01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:28.359 point I think I'd the point I was trying to make there was 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:29.319 that I think this the 01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:32.720 sliver is so small and I could agree with you on a lesser 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:34.159 zoning as long as 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:39.550 it's still incorporated some sort of office or some sort of 01:35:39.550 --> 01:35:40.720 you know no light 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:44.600 light industrial use but that piece of land is so small 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:46.239 that I don't think 01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:48.890 we're gonna end up having development that's gonna be noisy 01:35:48.890 --> 01:35:49.840 not to mention if 01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:52.560 you want to talk about noise there is a whatever a four 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:53.720 lane highway six lane 01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:55.279 highway where they're running right through the middle it's 01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:55.640 pretty loud 01:35:55.640 --> 01:36:00.539 enough that I just think that to honor but dr. say charts 01:36:00.539 --> 01:36:01.159 trying to do is just 01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:04.149 trying to get this land out from underneath them to 01:36:04.149 --> 01:36:05.159 possibly what's gonna 01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:07.449 end up being there is probably going to be a some sort of 01:36:07.449 --> 01:36:08.359 office building or 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:11.350 some sort of medical practice or something like that just 01:36:11.350 --> 01:36:12.079 because that 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:16.270 land is not going to support some large strip center or 01:36:16.270 --> 01:36:18.119 some large industrial 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:20.710 development just because the size of it but I take your 01:36:20.710 --> 01:36:21.920 points and I agree with 01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:24.039 you 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:28.060 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair thank you Commissioner 01:36:28.060 --> 01:36:29.359 Smith and I appreciate 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:33.000 what you have to say there and and my comments are are not 01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:34.239 just to single out 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:39.300 the doctor's property what it does is if we rezone this it 01:36:39.300 --> 01:36:41.520 does open up the 01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:45.869 ability to more easily rezone other things to ECC in that 01:36:45.869 --> 01:36:47.359 immediate area and 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:52.880 across the street so that's my concern because we do have 01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:54.880 to look at if we do 01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:59.520 one what are the unintended consequences what do we open up 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:00.199 you know we talk 01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:04.149 about isolated isolated zoning districts we're creating one 01:37:04.149 --> 01:37:06.079 right now and when we 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:09.840 do that my concern is have we thought about it enough to 01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:11.199 make sure that that's 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.420 what we want this to start becoming because we're at the 01:37:14.420 --> 01:37:15.319 top of the heap 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:19.560 here with with this don't zoning designation so so that's 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:20.520 that's my 01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:25.420 concern it's not to to to handcuff this owner it's to think 01:37:25.420 --> 01:37:26.479 of the other 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:29.069 property owners in the future of that particular zone in 01:37:29.069 --> 01:37:29.920 the city but I 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:35.800 appreciate your comments thank you Commissioner Sanchez my 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:36.520 biggest 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:40.270 consideration consideration is basically what the city says 01:37:40.270 --> 01:37:41.680 it's a primary 01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:49.310 arterial arterial road so over time I think in the next 10 01:37:49.310 --> 01:37:50.439 15 20 years you're 01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:54.109 gonna see more that was businesses that you see prior to 01:37:54.109 --> 01:37:55.680 March those businesses 01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:58.920 all that is going to expand so I think it's a it's a 01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:01.119 reasonable recommendation 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:08.659 and I'm gonna vote for it I'm gonna echo Commissioner San 01:38:08.659 --> 01:38:10.760 chez comments as I look 01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:16.770 at the area further to the west over towards 51 there's a 01:38:16.770 --> 01:38:17.880 pretty good sized 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:22.109 commercial use there and I think because of the text on 01:38:22.109 --> 01:38:23.960 improvements to six lane 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:28.460 road that it ultimately this will become some type of a 01:38:28.460 --> 01:38:29.760 commercial corridor for 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:34.390 our city for the matter of fact that because of all the gas 01:38:34.390 --> 01:38:35.640 wells it will be 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:39.039 very difficult if not impossible to meet the setback 01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:40.800 requirements because of the 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:44.970 gas wells and because of the infrastructure that's there 01:38:44.970 --> 01:38:45.479 with the 01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:49.710 six lane highway and commercial uses already up and down 3 01:38:49.710 --> 01:38:50.760 80 to the west and 01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:53.470 going on over to Decatur I think ultimately that's where we 01:38:53.470 --> 01:38:53.920 're gonna go 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:59.850 and to your point I understand it is early but I think this 01:38:59.850 --> 01:39:01.199 is going to be 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.579 the the direction that this whole area will ultimately move 01:39:04.579 --> 01:39:05.680 in just because of 01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:09.479 the features that are around it and the accessibility that 01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:10.800 's out there and the 01:39:10.800 --> 01:39:15.149 need for services so I'm going to support the zoning change 01:39:15.149 --> 01:39:16.199 as well and 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:19.560 with that unless there any other comments or discussion I'm 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:20.399 going to call 01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:23.939 for a vote on the board and the motion before us is a first 01:39:23.939 --> 01:39:24.920 and a second to 01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:31.119 approve with that I'll call for a vote on board 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:42.779 and motion is going to carry five to one that will move us 01:39:42.779 --> 01:39:44.399 to item B in our 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:48.649 public hearings this evening at this time I'm going to open 01:39:48.649 --> 01:39:50.239 Z 17 - zero zero 01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:55.760 three two and call on Cindy Jackson for presentation 01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:07.170 Z 17 - zero zero three two is a request to rezone 01:40:07.170 --> 01:40:13.720 approximately eight point nine 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:17.029 acres of land from neighborhood residential six and our 01:40:17.029 --> 01:40:17.880 sixth zoning 01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:22.109 district to neighborhood residential mixed use 12 NRMU 12 01:40:22.109 --> 01:40:23.420 zoning district the 01:40:23.420 --> 01:40:26.960 site is generally located on the southwest side of Colorado 01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:27.640 Boulevard 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:27.640 approximately 315 feet northwest of San Jacinto here at the 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:36.100 top you see our 01:40:36.100 --> 01:40:39.340 current zoning map which shows the NR6 zoning and at the 01:40:39.340 --> 01:40:40.560 bottom you'll you see 01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:43.560 the proposed zoning map which shows the proposed zoning 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:44.840 district as you can see 01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:51.149 this district is a continuation of the NR12 district that's 01:40:51.149 --> 01:40:53.960 to the north future 01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:57.939 land use map designation for this site is moderate density 01:40:57.939 --> 01:40:58.920 single-family 01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:02.729 residential which permits single-family residential on 01:41:02.729 --> 01:41:04.279 small lots with a density 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:07.689 of between four to twelve dwelling units per acre this is 01:41:07.689 --> 01:41:09.239 typically used as a 01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:13.750 transition between the established single-family 01:41:13.750 --> 01:41:15.399 neighborhoods and 01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:20.220 commercial areas or mixed-use areas as you can see we've 01:41:20.220 --> 01:41:22.399 got to the west low 01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:28.560 density residential and then we've got to the southeast 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:30.239 regional mixed use which 01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:33.229 is actually the site of the Golden Triangle Mall and 01:41:33.229 --> 01:41:34.319 associated pad sites 01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:41.449 and commercial uses excuse me residential uses permitted in 01:41:41.449 --> 01:41:42.000 the NR 12 01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:45.640 zoning district are consistent with the future land use 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:47.359 plan designation however 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:50.529 permitted multifamily and commercial uses would not be 01:41:50.529 --> 01:41:51.800 conforming with this 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:57.670 site for that reason staff is recommending an overlay which 01:41:57.670 --> 01:41:58.079 will 01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:03.960 restrict the uses to single-family townhomes and a maximum 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:05.039 density of 10 01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:12.520 dwelling units per acre moderate density residential 01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:13.840 neighborhoods are appropriate 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:17.909 along secondary arterials which is what Colorado Boulevard 01:42:17.909 --> 01:42:19.079 is it should provide 01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:23.250 adequate visibility and access the NRMU 12 district is 01:42:23.250 --> 01:42:24.560 typically in close 01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:29.090 proximity to low density residential neighborhoods as I 01:42:29.090 --> 01:42:30.359 mentioned as and it's 01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:33.989 used as a transition or buffer to more intense commercial 01:42:33.989 --> 01:42:36.640 uses the NRMU 12 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:40.569 district it limits the residential density and scale the 01:42:40.569 --> 01:42:41.800 density is limited 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:45.350 per the district to 12 but we are requesting an overlay to 01:42:45.350 --> 01:42:47.079 restrict that to 01:42:47.079 --> 01:42:52.909 10 the development must comply with all standards including 01:42:52.909 --> 01:42:53.600 the ESA tree 01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:56.279 preservation buffer standards screening tree canopy and 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:57.520 light requirements and 01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:01.229 the infrastructure needs will be assessed for the site at 01:43:01.229 --> 01:43:02.000 the time of 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:08.859 plotting and site plan the site has 904 linear feet of 01:43:08.859 --> 01:43:10.640 frontage on Colorado 01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:14.810 Boulevard Colorado Boulevard is designated as a secondary 01:43:14.810 --> 01:43:16.560 arterial part 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:21.119 of it is four lane divided excuse me four lane undivided 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:21.840 and as we get closer 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.510 to the intersection with Hatt San Jacinto it becomes a four 01:43:24.510 --> 01:43:25.640 lane divided 01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:29.399 during the work session there were questions about the stub 01:43:29.399 --> 01:43:30.359 out of Claremont 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:34.890 and and why it was there this site was originally supposed 01:43:34.890 --> 01:43:36.479 to be phase two of 01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:41.560 the patio homes that are located here and for reasons that 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:43.199 I couldn't find it 01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:47.369 it never developed that way and so this is what the new 01:43:47.369 --> 01:43:50.239 proposal is compatibility 01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:54.710 with the the zoning surrounded zoning there is NR three 01:43:54.710 --> 01:43:56.399 single-family to the 01:43:56.399 --> 01:44:03.020 west and our six to the southwest our CCD to the southeast 01:44:03.020 --> 01:44:05.880 which is a intense 01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:11.279 commercial area and NRMU 12 and multifamily out to the 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.600 north the area is 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:18.640 the request is very compatible with the surrounding zoning 01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:20.119 we sent out 01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:26.000 35 notices on February 2nd via certified mail and 116 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:27.239 courtesy notices went out 01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:33.260 as well we've received six responses in opposition and two 01:44:33.260 --> 01:44:35.119 in favor and one 01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:39.069 neutral and and one of the responses is right up here it's 01:44:39.069 --> 01:44:39.920 difficult to tell 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:44.380 because it kind of blends in with the boundary line of the 01:44:44.380 --> 01:44:46.920 200 feet staff 01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:50.880 recommends approval of this request with the condition that 01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:52.079 mixed use overlay 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:57.319 district be applied to the site with the following 01:44:57.319 --> 01:44:58.520 conditions that there shall be 01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:01.520 no uses permitted other than single-family attached town 01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:02.720 homes 01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:06.279 including duplexes or single-family detached units it would 01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:06.779 just be town 01:45:06.779 --> 01:45:10.550 homes the overall density of the site shall not exceed 10 01:45:10.550 --> 01:45:11.399 dwelling units per 01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:15.630 acre and that concludes my presentation and the applicant 01:45:15.630 --> 01:45:16.960 is here if you have 01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:21.439 questions Cindy question another came up in work session 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:22.920 what is the height 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:30.050 maximum on in our six I think it's 65 but let me double 01:45:30.050 --> 01:45:30.079 check 01:45:34.760 --> 01:45:39.319 what is in our 12 though 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:47.109 just like this up here we had discrepancy there just to 01:45:47.109 --> 01:45:49.439 clarify I think 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:53.090 we're having a little sidebar discussion and I get frowned 01:45:53.090 --> 01:45:53.439 at right 01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:58.239 quick here amongst us the height requirements or maximums 01:45:58.239 --> 01:45:58.920 on would you 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:02.079 when you get to the code for mr. inner me 12 it's 40 feet 01:46:02.079 --> 01:46:04.359 okay and in our six is 01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:10.229 40 as well so they're the same height requirement in both 01:46:10.229 --> 01:46:10.479 okay 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:22.680 Commissioner Smith nothing I withdraw my request I think I 01:46:22.680 --> 01:46:24.079 stole your question 01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:37.640 maybe okay any other questions for staff thank you Cindy 01:46:37.640 --> 01:46:39.520 this is a public hearing 01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:44.579 and the first card that I have is the applicant and I'll 01:46:44.579 --> 01:46:46.560 call on Eric Schmidt 01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:50.369 if you'll give your name and address for us I think you'll 01:46:50.369 --> 01:46:51.640 have up to ten minutes 01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:56.359 sir yes sir thank you good evening my name is Eric Schmidt 01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:58.000 's property here in 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:03.869 Denton 207 West Hickory and there is basically this 01:47:03.869 --> 01:47:05.039 property has been here 01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:09.439 for a long time and as Cindy was saying never did really 01:47:09.439 --> 01:47:12.060 develop I feel like the 01:47:12.060 --> 01:47:16.699 proposed use of townhome is an excellent buffer between the 01:47:16.699 --> 01:47:18.399 hard commercial mall 01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:22.319 bowling alley and the apartments on the north side or the 01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:23.560 opposite side of 01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:29.439 Colorado and the garden homes that surround us we held a 01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:31.520 meeting open public 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:36.680 meeting Monday February 12th and we had 42 people show up 01:47:36.680 --> 01:47:42.119 and had mixed feedback 01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:48.359 I would say 50/50 we took into consideration the main 01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:49.359 concerns of the 01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:54.020 of the folks in the area such as the buffer between the 01:47:54.020 --> 01:47:55.640 existing residential 01:47:55.640 --> 01:48:00.619 and the proposed development and considered that we would 01:48:00.619 --> 01:48:01.800 be willing to 01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:06.079 construct a fence you know upon the city's approval in 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:06.920 addition we were 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:12.789 going to landscape the buffer between those we talked about 01:48:12.789 --> 01:48:14.520 the trees we're 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:20.390 willing to replace the hardwood species on a caliper plus 01:48:20.390 --> 01:48:22.800 basis so that we would 01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:27.869 line Colorado with an ash fence and or hardwood species 01:48:27.869 --> 01:48:29.039 probably live oak or 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:33.880 red oak or something like this in addition we have in the 01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:34.640 development of 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:39.069 proposed amenity center and dog park would have a pool and 01:48:39.069 --> 01:48:40.479 clubhouse something 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:44.359 like that for the folks that live there walking trail and 01:48:44.359 --> 01:48:46.000 we invited the folks 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:50.579 that were contiguous to have access to those facilities as 01:48:50.579 --> 01:48:51.720 well as they were 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:56.170 like as they would like to some of the main concerns and it 01:48:56.170 --> 01:48:57.159 was interesting the 01:48:57.159 --> 01:49:00.960 folks that showed up lots of them were elderly retired 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:03.199 folks and just didn't 01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:08.029 want to have a big disturbance and I assured them that our 01:49:08.029 --> 01:49:09.680 proposal is fee 01:49:09.680 --> 01:49:13.170 ownership these folks it's not apartment or a strip center 01:49:13.170 --> 01:49:13.920 or something that 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:18.439 would probably be more likely for this particular property 01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:19.880 these folks will own 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:24.050 their homes and part of the requirements for each of the 01:49:24.050 --> 01:49:25.439 homes would be also 01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:31.310 another hardwood tree minimum of one they have driveways as 01:49:31.310 --> 01:49:32.399 well as garages 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:36.890 on site one of the concerns was off-street parking or on-st 01:49:36.890 --> 01:49:37.720 reet parking 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:41.689 so we created an area in the proposed flat for guest 01:49:41.689 --> 01:49:43.319 parking added an 01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:49.819 additional 12 spaces for that the last discussions we had 01:49:49.819 --> 01:49:51.399 and we're open to 01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:54.939 feedback is the main entrance or the grand entrance which 01:49:54.939 --> 01:49:56.079 would be Colorado 01:49:56.079 --> 01:50:01.590 Boulevard a very nice landscaped entrance and they didn't 01:50:01.590 --> 01:50:03.279 want this traffic to 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:06.859 flow through to behind the bank into the garden home 01:50:06.859 --> 01:50:08.520 development as a through 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:13.199 street and so the engineers and I met and thought well 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.159 maybe we could make that 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:18.149 a they call it I guess a crash gate where the fire 01:50:18.149 --> 01:50:19.720 department or the police 01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:21.850 could get through if there was an emergency and for 01:50:21.850 --> 01:50:22.800 whatever reason the 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:26.399 main gate was blocked off or inaccessible so we felt like 01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:27.239 that would be a good 01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:33.739 compromise and we're prepared to do that basically it's it 01:50:33.739 --> 01:50:35.399 's a real tasteful 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:41.020 townhome type mix I think the market we're sorely lacking 01:50:41.020 --> 01:50:42.399 for this price 01:50:42.399 --> 01:50:47.739 point of home 275 to 350s they anticipated sale price of 01:50:47.739 --> 01:50:49.600 these homes 01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:53.560 and there's a bus route there and we've also figured out a 01:50:53.560 --> 01:50:54.760 configuration with 01:50:54.760 --> 01:51:00.640 the preliminary traffic study to have a turn lane in front 01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:02.199 as a middle line to 01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:04.970 Colorado Boulevard where we could reconfigure the median 01:51:04.970 --> 01:51:05.399 and the 01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:08.479 development group is prepared to do that to make that 01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:09.960 happen there's it seems to 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:13.520 be a lot of land in the middle where Colorado gets narrowed 01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:15.000 down there for for 01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:18.180 some reason but there's plenty room for a turn lane there 01:51:18.180 --> 01:51:18.720 and we could 01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:23.640 reconfigure that at our expense to help with the traffic 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:28.119 flow so we addressed of 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:32.729 the eight points that the folks had at the meeting or 01:51:32.729 --> 01:51:34.800 excuse me ten we came 01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:42.430 back and have agreed or deferred to the the folks around us 01:51:42.430 --> 01:51:44.039 on eight of them and 01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:47.449 one of the two that are remainer they just don't want to 01:51:47.449 --> 01:51:48.840 see any development 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:53.470 there so we're trying to get by the best we can I 01:51:53.470 --> 01:51:55.079 appreciate your time and 01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:58.960 consideration I'm open for questions okay commissioner back 01:51:58.960 --> 01:51:59.800 thank you chair 01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:02.920 and thank you mr. Smith for your presentation and I want to 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:03.720 commend you 01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:07.359 on holding a neighborhood meeting that seems to be 01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:09.439 something that developers 01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:18.359 what's a crash gate it's a gate that they have it's a small 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:19.079 gate that could 01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:22.569 be crashed through pretty easily but it's a control gate so 01:52:22.569 --> 01:52:23.279 that the fire 01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:26.510 department and this is my understanding the fire department 01:52:26.510 --> 01:52:27.159 the police 01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:30.489 department either has electronic access where they can open 01:52:30.489 --> 01:52:33.279 it 24/7 or have a 01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:37.449 key or a lock in every city is different but basically 01:52:37.449 --> 01:52:39.039 there's nobody driving 01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:42.159 back and forth through the property on a regular basis and 01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:43.359 the way it's designed 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:47.239 in our proposed plan they wouldn't necessarily need to is 01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:48.159 the main entrance 01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:52.439 would would serve everybody to ingress and egress but per 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:53.680 the requirements and 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:56.840 I think the majority of the emphasis on that requirement 01:52:56.840 --> 01:52:58.079 are for emergency access 01:52:58.079 --> 01:53:01.300 and so we're trying to make a provision for that okay that 01:53:01.300 --> 01:53:02.640 makes sense now did I 01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:06.130 hear you right that you're willing to offer the amenities 01:53:06.130 --> 01:53:07.279 you're going to be 01:53:07.279 --> 01:53:11.270 putting in this to the garden home community to to 01:53:11.270 --> 01:53:12.159 everybody that's 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:15.319 contiguous along there we offered them the right to come to 01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:16.199 the dog parks or 01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:20.430 the walk park so they can come through that crash gate area 01:53:20.430 --> 01:53:21.560 yes sir okay we 01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:25.539 would continue the sidewalk into the community and it's 01:53:25.539 --> 01:53:26.960 pretty close to the 01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:30.600 garden homes I had a couple of folks that are over in the 01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:31.560 larger homes that 01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:35.180 one guy wanted a gate another guy didn't didn't want a gate 01:53:35.180 --> 01:53:36.159 and so I wouldn't 01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:40.229 sure how that would work but if we do like a masonry wall 01:53:40.229 --> 01:53:40.880 or a pretty 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.949 substantial wall that we're anticipating he'd probably have 01:53:43.949 --> 01:53:44.840 to go around and come 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:48.710 up the back street right okay one last thing concern 01:53:48.710 --> 01:53:50.000 mentioned by some of the 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:53.569 residents there is the height and I know you wanted to 01:53:53.569 --> 01:53:55.039 build three store up to 01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:58.029 three story I think the height is 40 feet is that right 01:53:58.029 --> 01:53:59.159 thank you okay and 01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:02.829 that that would allow a three-story but do you see yourself 01:54:02.829 --> 01:54:04.000 accommodating the 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:07.199 residents in the garden homes where you could put the 01:54:07.199 --> 01:54:08.640 second and third story 01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:13.380 buildings closer to Colorado yes we're studying that right 01:54:13.380 --> 01:54:14.880 now and the plan 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:18.510 that the builders that we're working with the three story 01:54:18.510 --> 01:54:21.119 is about 32 feet so 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:26.989 we'll be under the 40 however they the houses that are the 01:54:26.989 --> 01:54:28.159 lower density lowest 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:32.390 density if you will that are contiguous we're thinking that 01:54:32.390 --> 01:54:33.159 we might could limit 01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:37.079 those to a two-story which is no different than is already 01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:37.560 in the 01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:41.250 neighborhood in our suits and so far as they're contiguous 01:54:41.250 --> 01:54:42.199 to that back fence 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:45.430 that abuts the development I think that we could probably 01:54:45.430 --> 01:54:46.239 work with them on a 01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:50.920 two-story configuration on those parcels just just for 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:52.439 everybody's if you missed 01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:55.979 it up here in our six which is there now would allow the 01:54:55.979 --> 01:54:57.600 same height somebody 01:54:57.600 --> 01:55:01.470 want to build a two-story house back in the garden house 01:55:01.470 --> 01:55:03.359 that could be done so just 01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:08.630 want to make that point right and staff mentioned that it 01:55:08.630 --> 01:55:09.800 would be at a limit of 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:13.760 ten dwelling units per acre but she mentioned something 01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:14.920 about you wanting to 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:17.689 bring it down today we're yeah we're less than that 01:55:17.689 --> 01:55:20.119 actually I think one plane we 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:25.670 had was like 74 and the other was 78 and so instead of 85 01:55:25.670 --> 01:55:26.880 or 90 whatever that 01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:31.840 equates to 8.9 to be 89 we're already dropping it down and 01:55:31.840 --> 01:55:32.359 that's to make 01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:36.590 provision for the green dog park and the walkways and 01:55:36.590 --> 01:55:39.199 landscape buffer okay thank 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:47.039 you any other questions for the applicant 01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:51.279 thank you sir yes quite a few cards you might want to stay 01:55:51.279 --> 01:55:52.439 close if we need to 01:55:52.439 --> 01:56:01.729 thank you the next card I have is Jennifer gear 1512 Greens 01:56:01.729 --> 01:56:02.399 Point Circle 01:56:02.399 --> 01:56:06.569 it's not marked as to whether it's opposition or support 01:56:06.569 --> 01:56:07.720 please give us 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:11.159 your name and address certainly my name is Jennifer gear 01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:12.920 and I'm on 1512 Greens 01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:15.930 Point Circle and I appreciate the opportunity to talk thank 01:56:15.930 --> 01:56:16.640 you very much 01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:20.810 I had meant to put opposed I just turned in my card a bit 01:56:20.810 --> 01:56:21.960 quickly so that was the 01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:28.000 intent on it but but staffs input on the overlay actually 01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:30.199 is a very key point to 01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:34.390 me because one of my concerns is that I live on a cul-de-s 01:56:34.390 --> 01:56:36.199 ac and I actually love 01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:39.220 the area because it's a nice private cul-de-sac but there's 01:56:39.220 --> 01:56:40.560 great easy access 01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:43.779 to the major roads Colorado and such it's a really nice 01:56:43.779 --> 01:56:45.159 location so my 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:49.829 concern was that the zoning could change somebody else 01:56:49.829 --> 01:56:51.279 could buy out the project 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:54.170 and it could become apartments or something like this which 01:56:54.170 --> 01:56:54.800 I really did 01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:58.119 not want so townhomes if something is going to be built 01:56:58.119 --> 01:57:00.220 there is more 01:57:00.220 --> 01:57:06.100 amenable to me so then my my remaining concerns are really 01:57:06.100 --> 01:57:07.899 traffic because 01:57:07.899 --> 01:57:10.979 Colorado can be pretty busy I don't know if there's a way 01:57:10.979 --> 01:57:12.340 of having it go out to 01:57:12.340 --> 01:57:18.220 San Jacinto I'm not sure if that becomes an option or not 01:57:18.220 --> 01:57:20.140 and then the privacy 01:57:20.140 --> 01:57:24.140 how you know if there's a nice brick wall with sound abat 01:57:24.140 --> 01:57:25.560 ement that sort of 01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:29.920 thing in it and the aesthetics of it because I did not have 01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:31.640 the the details 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:34.010 on the landscaping so a little bit was talked about but 01:57:34.010 --> 01:57:34.880 there weren't any 01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:38.340 visuals so I actually don't see and that's very important 01:57:38.340 --> 01:57:39.079 to me because we 01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:43.069 have a nice community very nice cul-de-sacs and I don't 01:57:43.069 --> 01:57:44.880 want that to be 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:51.079 encumbered by a very high density look to it so I want a 01:57:51.079 --> 01:57:52.800 nice marriage of the 01:57:52.800 --> 01:57:57.750 two if that is going to be built I will say that I did not 01:57:57.750 --> 01:58:00.079 I was at the that 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:02.850 meeting you referred to and I did not see a 50/50 I 01:58:02.850 --> 01:58:04.000 definitely saw that the 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.710 community was not that interested in having a development 01:58:06.710 --> 01:58:07.720 there but that 01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:11.579 townhomes probably seem to be the lesser of possible evils 01:58:11.579 --> 01:58:12.279 out there 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:16.039 certainly we'd rather have single-family detached rather 01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:17.079 than single-family 01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:20.479 attached but single-family attached is better than some of 01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:22.800 the other options so 01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:28.920 I guess in summary if the aesthetics of it the the greenery 01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:30.760 the trees and such 01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:35.920 are really nice nearby then I think that might be amenable 01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:37.840 I guess one final note 01:58:37.840 --> 01:58:41.699 is that a lot of the existing residents in the cul-de-sacs 01:58:41.699 --> 01:58:42.920 area a lot of them 01:58:42.920 --> 01:58:45.470 are elderly and most people said that they probably wouldn 01:58:45.470 --> 01:58:46.159 't be using the 01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:49.300 amenities even so so it's a nice offer but probably not to 01:58:49.300 --> 01:58:50.920 be utilized so the 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:55.289 view the aesthetics the noise level the traffic I think 01:58:55.289 --> 01:58:56.279 those are the bigger 01:58:56.279 --> 01:59:00.010 issues of the actual residents thank you for the 01:59:00.010 --> 01:59:01.800 opportunity to speak thank you 01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:06.270 for coming this evening your comments next part I have is 01:59:06.270 --> 01:59:07.319 Linda Dudley 01:59:07.319 --> 01:59:14.319 1916 Cavender Circle in opposition to be followed by Gary 01:59:14.319 --> 01:59:19.880 Glover hello our main 01:59:19.880 --> 01:59:22.359 concern I live in the garden home can you give us your name 01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:23.199 and address for 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:28.000 the record yes Linda Dudley 1916 Cavender thank you I live 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:28.640 in the garden 01:59:28.640 --> 01:59:34.520 homes been there 13 years and we have enjoyed a quiet safe 01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:36.279 neighborhood most 01:59:36.279 --> 01:59:40.510 until recently it was all pretty much older people whose 01:59:40.510 --> 01:59:41.880 children were grown 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:46.060 and gone and these are small homes up to like four feet 01:59:46.060 --> 01:59:48.119 apart so we're in there 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:52.289 you know we're but we're all good friends and we we have 01:59:52.289 --> 01:59:53.079 lived a safe 01:59:53.079 --> 01:59:57.130 place you know we feel like we can go home at night and it 01:59:57.130 --> 01:59:58.840 's quiet and we've 01:59:58.840 --> 02:00:05.100 loved that but we own our streets our HOA we do not want 02:00:05.100 --> 02:00:07.439 the traffic to come 02:00:07.439 --> 02:00:11.260 through Claremont because our streets are narrow and how 02:00:11.260 --> 02:00:13.199 this subdivision got 02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:16.229 approved ever with these small streets we don't know but 02:00:16.229 --> 02:00:17.479 there's no room for 02:00:17.479 --> 02:00:21.649 any parking in the streets on on my street and the next 02:00:21.649 --> 02:00:23.520 street over so any 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:26.800 overflow that can't get in the garage or the or the 02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:28.760 driveway parks on Claremont 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:32.590 that's the only place because there's no room for fire 02:00:32.590 --> 02:00:34.640 trucks or any emergency 02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:38.869 vehicles to come in on those streets so that is our biggest 02:00:38.869 --> 02:00:40.279 worry and concern 02:00:40.279 --> 02:00:47.239 also of course noise crime high taxes just all that we 02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:48.399 realize that there's 02:00:48.399 --> 02:00:51.520 going to be development we can't control that and I guess 02:00:51.520 --> 02:00:53.199 single-family would be 02:00:53.199 --> 02:00:59.079 the most desirable but we 80 homes we can't even imagine 02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:00.159 the traffic and the 02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:03.199 noise that's going to be that's what we were told at the 02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:04.560 meeting up to 80 homes 02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:08.569 so our residences so we're just all concerned about how 02:01:08.569 --> 02:01:09.800 that's going to 02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:15.380 affect us our safety security noise just all of it and you 02:01:15.380 --> 02:01:16.600 know we're just hoping 02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:21.579 to keep it as quiet as possible and as you know low density 02:01:21.579 --> 02:01:23.960 as possible and just 02:01:23.960 --> 02:01:30.119 keep our neighbors from being just pretty much safe 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:31.479 question for you 02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:34.239 Commissioner Smith thank you chair thank you ma'am come out 02:01:34.239 --> 02:01:36.319 and speak tonight the 02:01:36.319 --> 02:01:39.569 the applicant to talk about putting that crash gate up so 02:01:39.569 --> 02:01:40.920 that emergency services 02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:44.989 has access through Claremont just in the event it is hard 02:01:44.989 --> 02:01:46.239 to just put up one 02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:49.590 entrance in and out of a neighborhood and the fire code 02:01:49.590 --> 02:01:50.920 that comes along with 02:01:50.920 --> 02:01:53.909 that crash gate you think that's that's what's not it's not 02:01:53.909 --> 02:01:54.800 open to the public 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:59.029 it's meant to be just purely for emergency personnel long 02:01:59.029 --> 02:02:01.439 story short it's 02:02:01.439 --> 02:02:04.119 basically it's a barrier that keeps it from public traffic 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:05.920 going through but if 02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:07.920 like a fire truck needs to get through to this new 02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:09.520 development they have the 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:14.310 ability to go through that gate we would prefer no at 02:02:14.310 --> 02:02:16.279 minutes through our 02:02:16.279 --> 02:02:21.420 neighborhood okay with trucks or whatever even the even in 02:02:21.420 --> 02:02:22.199 the process of 02:02:22.199 --> 02:02:26.079 an emergency well I guess if it was an emergency okay sure 02:02:26.079 --> 02:02:26.880 I actually have a 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:29.720 question for the applicant now 02:02:32.600 --> 02:02:36.609 yes sir projected value of the town homes you're building 02:02:36.609 --> 02:02:38.479 in here 250 to 350 02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:43.989 range great so anything okay I'm sorry one more size square 02:02:43.989 --> 02:02:44.600 foot did you think 02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:52.069 minimum of 1600 feet on up to like 2200 livable got thank 02:02:52.069 --> 02:02:54.119 you I have a follow-up 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.289 question for miss Dudley one of the things the applicant 02:02:58.289 --> 02:02:59.119 stated that they 02:02:59.119 --> 02:03:02.439 were open to is restricting the height against the existing 02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:03.680 neighborhood if 02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:08.430 that's restricted to two stories with a maximum height on 02:03:08.430 --> 02:03:09.720 it does that alleviate 02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:12.800 some of the fears of the height backing right up to your 02:03:12.800 --> 02:03:13.600 neighborhood that we 02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:17.779 think it would in our neighborhood we have 36 homes they're 02:03:17.779 --> 02:03:18.840 all one level 02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:23.010 except for two and that is when you enter our subdivision 02:03:23.010 --> 02:03:24.159 which is between 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:28.579 in wood bank building and then the strip center where Bur 02:03:28.579 --> 02:03:30.079 lington Co. factory is 02:03:30.079 --> 02:03:34.649 and that so there are two but the rest of it's just and so 02:03:34.649 --> 02:03:36.359 that is is a concern 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:39.579 that there'll be tall buildings with people who can see 02:03:39.579 --> 02:03:41.479 over you know into the 02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:45.739 homes or the patios or whatever if we again if we added 02:03:45.739 --> 02:03:47.600 that restriction is 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:51.159 there open to doing that two-story against the adjoining 02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:51.720 with that help 02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:55.829 allay some of the concerns I think it would but not as far 02:03:55.829 --> 02:03:56.720 I mean you know I 02:03:56.720 --> 02:04:00.050 still feel the same about coming through our neighborhood 02:04:00.050 --> 02:04:01.600 sure yeah but the noise 02:04:01.600 --> 02:04:06.279 and traffic and you know Colorado is not a huge street I 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:07.159 think it would really 02:04:07.159 --> 02:04:10.149 jam up the traffic already if you go out of our 02:04:10.149 --> 02:04:13.399 neighborhood and try to go on to 02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:16.899 the loop from Colorado usually end up sitting through that 02:04:16.899 --> 02:04:18.720 light maybe three 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:22.479 or four times right now just with the traffic that it's got 02:04:22.479 --> 02:04:24.600 right now one 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:26.850 other observation I would just share with you on the 02:04:26.850 --> 02:04:28.119 possibility of a second 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:32.000 point of egress that is gated it may be a benefit for your 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:33.399 neighborhood as well 02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:36.489 if there was some type of an accident right there at in 02:04:36.489 --> 02:04:37.600 wood bank and there's 02:04:37.600 --> 02:04:40.979 emergency in your neighborhood there's no way to get into 02:04:40.979 --> 02:04:42.560 it this development 02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:46.729 with that emergency only gate within allow a second point 02:04:46.729 --> 02:04:47.960 so there might be 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:50.949 another consideration for you all there for your future 02:04:50.949 --> 02:04:52.439 well as long as it's a 02:04:52.439 --> 02:04:57.159 crash gate as long as the all kinds of people can't crash 02:04:57.159 --> 02:04:59.920 through there we're 02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:03.000 gonna have to come up with a better term 02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:10.920 emergency great one other question Commissioner Sanchez for 02:05:10.920 --> 02:05:11.640 the applicant I 02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:16.199 know I had the same question about what would be the square 02:05:16.199 --> 02:05:17.000 footage as you said 02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:20.000 about 1600 square foot that that's what we're anticipating 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:20.880 for the minimum size 02:05:20.880 --> 02:05:26.310 living area up to 22 23 and they're gonna be more or less 02:05:26.310 --> 02:05:27.720 for families yes 02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:31.270 sir okay totally homeowners they own their property it's 02:05:31.270 --> 02:05:32.159 nothing like an 02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:37.510 apartment and they're not very micro small these are good- 02:05:37.510 --> 02:05:41.520 sized homes okay 02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:48.180 thank you I see no other questions thank you ma'am Gary Glo 02:05:48.180 --> 02:05:50.279 ver to be followed by 02:05:50.279 --> 02:05:57.239 Daniel Kettler and you sir are marked on your card in 02:05:57.239 --> 02:05:58.159 opposition if you'll give 02:05:58.159 --> 02:06:04.159 her name Gary Glover 1501 Greens Point one of my biggest 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:05.159 concerns is that my 02:06:05.159 --> 02:06:09.859 house backs up directly to where this is going in it backs 02:06:09.859 --> 02:06:11.439 up to the vacant lot 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:15.699 where I'm sitting sits up pretty high up on a hill even if 02:06:15.699 --> 02:06:17.520 you build even as high 02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:20.260 up as I am if you're building three-story units like is 02:06:20.260 --> 02:06:21.000 talked about 02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:23.590 that's still going to be looking down into my backyard 02:06:23.590 --> 02:06:24.520 everyone else's 02:06:24.520 --> 02:06:29.569 backyard that's my home basically two-story okay fine that 02:06:29.569 --> 02:06:30.880 's going to be 02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:33.640 about on an even par but three stories going to take away 02:06:33.640 --> 02:06:34.680 just about every bit 02:06:34.680 --> 02:06:40.550 of privacy that I have another issue has been has been 02:06:40.550 --> 02:06:41.800 talked about the traffic 02:06:41.800 --> 02:06:46.960 problems everything else miss gear I can testify to this 02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:49.039 also that they're on 02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:52.220 Greens Point one of the problems that we have on weekends 02:06:52.220 --> 02:06:53.279 is that Colorado 02:06:53.279 --> 02:06:56.710 courts or waters edge apartments now on weekends people go 02:06:56.710 --> 02:06:57.720 over to see their 02:06:57.720 --> 02:07:00.149 friends there's not enough guest parking over there they 02:07:00.149 --> 02:07:01.039 park on the street all 02:07:01.039 --> 02:07:04.029 the time now they're usually gone by Monday early Sunday 02:07:04.029 --> 02:07:04.880 afternoon but 02:07:04.880 --> 02:07:07.430 there's a lot of parkings we've had to have come and have 02:07:07.430 --> 02:07:08.439 to have people just 02:07:08.439 --> 02:07:11.159 parked their vehicles and left them there and we've had to 02:07:11.159 --> 02:07:11.960 have them towed 02:07:11.960 --> 02:07:16.210 eventually so I realized there will be additional parking 02:07:16.210 --> 02:07:17.800 over here with the 02:07:17.800 --> 02:07:20.359 with townhomes but that's still probably going to end up 02:07:20.359 --> 02:07:21.960 being a problem one of 02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:27.470 the questions that I had also was they said that these 02:07:27.470 --> 02:07:28.960 would be comparable to 02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:34.409 the three-story units the street three-story townhomes that 02:07:34.409 --> 02:07:34.960 were at I 02:07:34.960 --> 02:07:40.840 believe it's called 1450 Centerplace over behind Corinos 02:07:40.840 --> 02:07:42.520 one of the thing one 02:07:42.520 --> 02:07:45.510 of the questions I had is what about sanitation or is that 02:07:45.510 --> 02:07:46.239 's going to be 02:07:46.239 --> 02:07:49.239 individual pickup or they going to be dumpsters because the 02:07:49.239 --> 02:07:50.239 ones over there on 02:07:50.239 --> 02:07:56.859 Centerplace are dumpster usage another question that I have 02:07:56.859 --> 02:07:58.199 again I sit up on a 02:07:58.199 --> 02:08:01.979 hill is there's going to be an erosion problem there in 02:08:01.979 --> 02:08:04.159 fact already is is this 02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:06.840 going to be something that's going to be dealt with by the 02:08:06.840 --> 02:08:07.760 city is this something 02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:09.579 I'm gonna have to deal with or is this something that the 02:08:09.579 --> 02:08:10.279 development is going 02:08:10.279 --> 02:08:14.449 to have to deal with depending on where they were all the 02:08:14.449 --> 02:08:18.640 property lines are at I 02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:21.409 understand they're going to develop it I understood that 02:08:21.409 --> 02:08:22.520 whenever I bought the 02:08:22.520 --> 02:08:31.279 home there and again townhomes are well not the worst thing 02:08:31.279 --> 02:08:32.300 but again single 02:08:32.300 --> 02:08:36.470 family detached would be a lot better given the traffic it 02:08:36.470 --> 02:08:37.640 's already going 02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:40.220 down Colorado especially whenever you're trying to get to 02:08:40.220 --> 02:08:41.779 the loop turning down 02:08:41.779 --> 02:08:47.250 San Jacinto is an option at times but if you're not going 02:08:47.250 --> 02:08:49.199 that way as it is right 02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:51.729 now whenever I have to go to work it's easier for me to go 02:08:51.729 --> 02:08:52.859 down San Jacinto go 02:08:52.859 --> 02:08:55.869 up to Teasley and go back that way to get up on get up on 02:08:55.869 --> 02:08:57.239 35 than it is to go 02:08:57.239 --> 02:09:00.479 all the way down to to the loop and try and get on that 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:01.800 adding in more units 02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:05.970 like that I think is just gonna make the problem worse 02:09:05.970 --> 02:09:10.479 thank you sir 02:09:10.479 --> 02:09:16.939 next card I have is Daniel Kettler to be followed by Jerry 02:09:16.939 --> 02:09:17.720 Rowan 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:27.470 Daniel Kettler 1925 Canyon Court when this development was 02:09:27.470 --> 02:09:28.720 proposed my first 02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:32.890 question is why going from 6 to 12 when we have space 02:09:32.890 --> 02:09:34.439 available in the city 02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:40.270 that's already zoned to zone 12 I took the zoning map down 02:09:40.270 --> 02:09:41.279 and I took a look at 02:09:41.279 --> 02:09:44.000 a lot of the properties there's available property ready to 02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:44.960 go why change 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:52.800 what we have so the existing six and our six properties are 02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:54.800 fantastic why can't 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:57.039 they just be built around like it was intended which I didn 02:09:57.039 --> 02:09:57.720 't even realize 02:09:57.720 --> 02:10:00.890 until this meeting that that was apparently in the works 02:10:00.890 --> 02:10:01.960 but it just fell 02:10:01.960 --> 02:10:07.829 through if that were to happen I probably have a lot of my 02:10:07.829 --> 02:10:08.079 arguments 02:10:08.079 --> 02:10:15.630 melt away so the density is an issue as has been mentioned 02:10:15.630 --> 02:10:18.079 traffic I would think 02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:20.659 that we wouldn't want to be over stuffing the land we'd be 02:10:20.659 --> 02:10:21.279 just getting 02:10:21.279 --> 02:10:27.109 what the land is rated for now I live in Canyon Court so we 02:10:27.109 --> 02:10:29.119 have the in our three 02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:34.020 density and we're gonna be backing up to 10 to 12 that's 02:10:34.020 --> 02:10:35.079 quite a jump that's three 02:10:35.079 --> 02:10:40.960 to four times even the six is it's a reasonable jump so I 02:10:40.960 --> 02:10:41.520 just think that 02:10:41.520 --> 02:10:44.640 that's a little aggressive I think the six has originally 02:10:44.640 --> 02:10:46.119 attended was probably 02:10:46.119 --> 02:10:53.250 a better idea I would also like to echo that the amenities 02:10:53.250 --> 02:10:53.760 that are being 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:57.300 offered to us are kind of a that's kind of a hollow benefit 02:10:57.300 --> 02:10:58.880 we didn't we bought 02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.960 our property without an HOA with a lot without a lot of 02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:03.039 these amenities 02:11:03.039 --> 02:11:06.579 because we didn't really want so why do I want to take a 02:11:06.579 --> 02:11:08.079 long path to come around 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:12.000 my exit to come to a swimming pool I almost have to drive 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:13.760 to get there it's 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:16.880 not really a convenience there's really no way to put an 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:18.159 access from our 02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:21.760 neighborhood into theirs because all the property is owned 02:11:21.760 --> 02:11:23.600 by the area homeowners 02:11:23.600 --> 02:11:28.840 we don't need the walking area we don't need a dog park 02:11:28.840 --> 02:11:30.199 then has the finest dog 02:11:30.199 --> 02:11:33.500 park I've ever been to there's an excellent walking path 02:11:33.500 --> 02:11:34.119 that runs 02:11:34.119 --> 02:11:37.609 against the dent and a train that I use all the time there 02:11:37.609 --> 02:11:38.600 's plenty of walking 02:11:38.600 --> 02:11:42.140 space these are things that we need we have a quiet 02:11:42.140 --> 02:11:44.119 neighborhood we really do 02:11:44.119 --> 02:11:49.989 like it that way I was also at that initial meeting and my 02:11:49.989 --> 02:11:50.560 interpretation was 02:11:50.560 --> 02:12:00.029 not 50/50 my my interpretation was 5 to 95 so regarding 02:12:00.029 --> 02:12:01.279 this masonry wall that's 02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:08.409 been proposed to explain this in my time it were four feet 02:12:08.409 --> 02:12:11.239 below them at my fence 02:12:11.239 --> 02:12:15.029 in six feet it rises four feet so when they begin 02:12:15.029 --> 02:12:17.479 construction I'm already 02:12:17.479 --> 02:12:21.470 looking at this this is going to be my view right here a 02:12:21.470 --> 02:12:24.199 brick wall if you stand 02:12:24.199 --> 02:12:27.539 six feet from my fence I can see below your knees now you 02:12:27.539 --> 02:12:28.760 build three stories 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:32.359 that's a skyscraper even at two stories that's still a 02:12:32.359 --> 02:12:36.880 considerable reduction in 02:12:36.880 --> 02:12:40.729 view I don't get to see Colorado Parkway really but I do 02:12:40.729 --> 02:12:42.119 get to see the sky so 02:12:42.119 --> 02:12:49.039 it's really like building next to a roadway I kind of 02:12:49.039 --> 02:12:51.079 disagree with the spot 02:12:51.079 --> 02:12:54.979 rezoning of land to suit a seller that's trying to squeeze 02:12:54.979 --> 02:12:56.239 something out of his 02:12:56.239 --> 02:12:59.229 property or developer that's trying to squeeze more 02:12:59.229 --> 02:13:01.680 property in it was zone 6 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:06.489 why not leave it six it would work great this area that's I 02:13:06.489 --> 02:13:07.439 'm sorry we don't have 02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:13.310 a map can't show you it's like 95% and our six and this 02:13:13.310 --> 02:13:14.800 small sliver I'm sorry 02:13:14.800 --> 02:13:18.590 and our three and a small sliver of six and now you want to 02:13:18.590 --> 02:13:20.000 kind of package this 02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:24.229 the shoe warn is 12 in there I just don't think it's right 02:13:24.229 --> 02:13:25.680 for the area for 02:13:25.680 --> 02:13:31.079 traffic for all that I really don't have a problem 02:13:31.079 --> 02:13:37.239 thank you for your comments next speakers Jerry Rowan in 02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:38.840 opposition to be 02:13:38.840 --> 02:13:45.319 followed by Jeanette gear in opposition good afternoon my 02:13:45.319 --> 02:13:46.319 name is Jerry Rowan 02:13:46.319 --> 02:13:52.189 2316 Claremont Lane I was wasn't at the first meeting 02:13:52.189 --> 02:13:52.640 because I didn't know 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:58.510 anything about the first meeting but anyway my big concern 02:13:58.510 --> 02:13:59.920 is the traffic 02:13:59.920 --> 02:14:05.960 flow and there's several issues that I have concerns about 02:14:05.960 --> 02:14:06.960 him my neighbors 02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:12.090 have concerns about and first of all the last I heard was 02:14:12.090 --> 02:14:14.920 there was a plan to run 02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:20.789 traffic all the way through and even with the what they 02:14:20.789 --> 02:14:22.800 call in the crash gate 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:26.779 that's not an alternative if something was happened like 02:14:26.779 --> 02:14:27.960 you said he had an 02:14:27.960 --> 02:14:33.670 accident up on San Jacinto or whatever you know people used 02:14:33.670 --> 02:14:34.439 to still couldn't 02:14:34.439 --> 02:14:37.659 get through there to get out unless you're an emergency 02:14:37.659 --> 02:14:39.800 vehicle so I think 02:14:39.800 --> 02:14:45.670 that should be that should not be even considered and the 02:14:45.670 --> 02:14:47.840 other thing is coming 02:14:47.840 --> 02:14:53.289 off of San Jacinto that when you turn it back going back to 02:14:53.289 --> 02:14:54.800 the east toward 02:14:54.800 --> 02:15:00.630 Briarwick or Cavender that when you turn there it's it's a 02:15:00.630 --> 02:15:01.479 blind spot I don't 02:15:01.479 --> 02:15:05.649 know how much the engineers have been out there researching 02:15:05.649 --> 02:15:06.800 looking at that 02:15:06.800 --> 02:15:10.079 you know I'm sure they have but anyway that is it's 02:15:10.079 --> 02:15:13.119 dangerous there you have to 02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:17.489 because people coming coming back to the West and coming 02:15:17.489 --> 02:15:18.920 going to work in the 02:15:18.920 --> 02:15:22.319 mornings you better be careful because they don't stop 02:15:22.319 --> 02:15:23.279 because there's not a 02:15:23.279 --> 02:15:29.800 stop sign there so anyway it's it's it's a concern about 02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:34.000 safety and the other 02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:41.560 thing is that street is not wide enough like she was 02:15:41.560 --> 02:15:43.079 talking earlier about you 02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:46.699 know people have to park out there because a Cavender Briar 02:15:46.699 --> 02:15:47.359 wick are not 02:15:47.359 --> 02:15:52.100 wide enough to park on the street so that's out so that's a 02:15:52.100 --> 02:15:53.840 big concern but 02:15:53.840 --> 02:16:00.170 the safety issue of getting in and out I think it's bad 02:16:00.170 --> 02:16:01.680 idea even considering 02:16:01.680 --> 02:16:06.399 that so but everything else has already been talked about 02:16:06.399 --> 02:16:07.600 that I had concerns 02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:12.029 about so I won't waste y'all's time but I appreciate your 02:16:12.029 --> 02:16:14.039 time and thank you 02:16:14.039 --> 02:16:18.600 very much thank you sir for coming out this evening 02:16:21.199 --> 02:16:27.640 next part I have is Janik gear in opposition 02:16:32.440 --> 02:16:34.750 clearly my handwriting is much worse than I thought it's 02:16:34.750 --> 02:16:37.680 Derek apologies Derek 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:42.950 gear I should put my glasses on sooner 1512 Greens Point 02:16:42.950 --> 02:16:44.319 Drive I'm sorry 02:16:44.319 --> 02:16:48.489 Greens Point Circle came to speak in opposition some of it 02:16:48.489 --> 02:16:49.680 was allayed by the 02:16:49.680 --> 02:16:54.329 description the staff of a I think it's 10 10 per acre 02:16:54.329 --> 02:16:56.319 overlay requirement and 02:16:56.319 --> 02:17:01.209 that that that allayed some of my concern I'm going to 02:17:01.209 --> 02:17:02.760 repeat some concern 02:17:02.760 --> 02:17:06.190 with the traffic as we come out of our cul-de-sac although 02:17:06.190 --> 02:17:07.239 when you look at it 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:11.600 on the map here Colorado looks like a flat gentle curve but 02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:12.440 in reality there's 02:17:12.440 --> 02:17:15.930 a dip in a blind curve so you're coming out and you're like 02:17:15.930 --> 02:17:17.040 going okay is there 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.629 someone coming because you can't see below that dip so 02:17:19.629 --> 02:17:20.639 there's a little bit 02:17:20.639 --> 02:17:24.809 more to it than just the just what it looks like on the 02:17:24.809 --> 02:17:27.280 linear linear map let 02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:29.670 me see if I gotta make sure I don't cover anything my wife 02:17:29.670 --> 02:17:31.399 's already covered 02:17:31.399 --> 02:17:39.200 can we get a crash gate okay no I think that's that pretty 02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:40.120 much covers it but I 02:17:40.120 --> 02:17:43.280 appreciate your time thank you for coming out this evening 02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:45.159 I have some 02:17:45.159 --> 02:17:48.270 additional cards that did not wish to speak and I'm just 02:17:48.270 --> 02:17:49.479 going to read those 02:17:49.479 --> 02:17:56.600 into the record have Collette Brandon 1921 Canyon in 02:17:56.600 --> 02:18:02.639 opposition then have Nate 02:18:02.959 --> 02:18:11.149 Brandon at 1921 Canyon in opposition and then I have Lisa K 02:18:11.149 --> 02:18:13.840 ettler 1925 Canyon 02:18:13.840 --> 02:18:18.969 in opposition and then as part of our backup we did have a 02:18:18.969 --> 02:18:20.959 letter from the HOA 02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:26.209 and so that's already is part of our record and so that is 02:18:26.209 --> 02:18:27.680 part of our 02:18:27.680 --> 02:18:32.840 neighborhood comments this is a public hearing so anyone 02:18:32.840 --> 02:18:34.000 else who would like to 02:18:34.000 --> 02:18:39.239 speak on this item please come forward at this time please 02:18:39.239 --> 02:18:40.040 come up to the mic 02:18:40.040 --> 02:18:44.309 so the folks that are at home and the recording can get 02:18:44.309 --> 02:18:47.799 your comments can you 02:18:47.799 --> 02:18:50.790 give us your name again so they'll know sorry Linda Dudley 02:18:50.790 --> 02:18:54.840 1916 Cavender again 02:18:54.840 --> 02:18:59.590 about our straight Claremont we own that street that is not 02:18:59.590 --> 02:19:01.399 a city street and we 02:19:01.399 --> 02:19:04.809 do not want that to be used for this new subdivision I just 02:19:04.809 --> 02:19:05.959 want to make sure 02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:09.809 that was a clear thing and I don't know about this crash 02:19:09.809 --> 02:19:11.719 gate you know who could 02:19:11.719 --> 02:19:15.000 come who could use it whatever but I just wanted to make 02:19:15.000 --> 02:19:16.360 sure y'all understood 02:19:16.360 --> 02:19:22.010 we do not approve of that okay make sure everybody is clear 02:19:22.010 --> 02:19:24.399 on that for private 02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:28.569 vehicles or public like trash trucks and anything you have 02:19:28.569 --> 02:19:30.079 city trash trucks 02:19:30.079 --> 02:19:32.149 coming there now correct when you're in your neighborhood 02:19:32.149 --> 02:19:34.360 we do okay so the ones 02:19:34.360 --> 02:19:37.430 that you're concerned about is fire trucks coming in there 02:19:37.430 --> 02:19:38.280 or private 02:19:38.280 --> 02:19:45.510 vehicles we just want to make sure that it is not used by 02:19:45.510 --> 02:19:46.840 this subdivision 02:19:46.840 --> 02:19:51.069 understand and we may have staff and I know there was a 02:19:51.069 --> 02:19:52.879 couple people making 02:19:52.879 --> 02:19:55.100 some comments and I couldn't tell up here from city staff 02:19:55.100 --> 02:19:55.840 maybe I can give 02:19:55.840 --> 02:20:00.010 some additional feedback about this crash gate emergency 02:20:00.010 --> 02:20:00.879 gate let's get the 02:20:00.879 --> 02:20:08.000 correct term so we're all using the right wording I've 02:20:08.000 --> 02:20:11.200 actually heard it 02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:14.760 both ways I've heard it as a crash gate and I've heard it 02:20:14.760 --> 02:20:15.760 as an emergency gate 02:20:15.760 --> 02:20:22.020 and these are it depends on the city they're locked and if 02:20:22.020 --> 02:20:23.959 there if there's a 02:20:23.959 --> 02:20:27.340 key access and there's something called Knox box that that 02:20:27.340 --> 02:20:29.000 the fire only the 02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:33.809 fire and EMS have access to are they it's electronic where 02:20:33.809 --> 02:20:35.360 only fire and EMS 02:20:35.360 --> 02:20:40.069 have have the way to get into it okay Mr. Lee does that 02:20:40.069 --> 02:20:41.559 help clarify who would 02:20:41.559 --> 02:20:45.680 have access yeah great and we can use either term and we're 02:20:45.680 --> 02:20:47.479 in good races all 02:20:47.479 --> 02:20:54.610 right either one emergency access emergency access well I'm 02:20:54.610 --> 02:20:55.440 old and 02:20:55.440 --> 02:21:01.920 getting short and I'll try to get a new term here again 02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:03.600 this is a public hearing 02:21:03.600 --> 02:21:06.590 anyone else who would like to speak please come forward at 02:21:06.590 --> 02:21:07.959 this time and I 02:21:07.959 --> 02:21:12.440 don't have any more cards but you you're welcome not to 02:21:12.440 --> 02:21:13.600 turn one in because our 02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:17.270 homeowner president was going to speak you're welcome to 02:21:17.270 --> 02:21:18.319 speak just fill out a 02:21:18.319 --> 02:21:22.489 card for us before you leave the city the blue card yes my 02:21:22.489 --> 02:21:22.840 name is Martha 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:27.750 Henderson I live at 1917 Piney Creek Boulevard in Piney 02:21:27.750 --> 02:21:28.639 Creek there was a 02:21:28.639 --> 02:21:35.329 piney Creek I'm not understanding why about this crash gate 02:21:35.329 --> 02:21:36.479 or whatever I'm 02:21:36.479 --> 02:21:40.649 not understanding we don't need it to be a crash gate if 02:21:40.649 --> 02:21:41.719 anyone in our 02:21:41.719 --> 02:21:44.709 neighborhood needs an emergency they can come into our 02:21:44.709 --> 02:21:46.760 neighborhood why do why 02:21:46.760 --> 02:21:49.750 does this subdivision need a crash gate to come through our 02:21:49.750 --> 02:21:50.600 neighborhood when 02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:55.079 they have access to Colorado or to San Jacinto which was 02:21:55.079 --> 02:21:58.760 what mr. Schmidt said 02:21:58.760 --> 02:22:01.129 that he was going to look into instead of going through Cl 02:22:01.129 --> 02:22:02.000 aremont he was going 02:22:02.000 --> 02:22:05.399 to go through see if he could access San Jacinto through 02:22:05.399 --> 02:22:06.680 the between the bowling 02:22:06.680 --> 02:22:11.950 alley and the office the doctor's office building so that's 02:22:11.950 --> 02:22:12.360 what I'm not 02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:15.159 understanding why they are so adamant that they want to 02:22:15.159 --> 02:22:16.200 come in through our 02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:20.559 neighborhood emergency vehicle into their neighborhood when 02:22:20.559 --> 02:22:22.000 they have will 02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:27.879 have two interest in off of Colorado that's what I'm not 02:22:27.879 --> 02:22:29.159 understanding let me 02:22:29.159 --> 02:22:33.120 let me call on Cindy thank you for coming up and you might 02:22:33.120 --> 02:22:33.760 ma'am if you 02:22:33.760 --> 02:22:36.069 don't mind stay I've got a question for you I mean if we 02:22:36.069 --> 02:22:37.079 can get up and answer 02:22:37.079 --> 02:22:41.250 your question first well I'm not sure what the fire code 02:22:41.250 --> 02:22:41.959 was when their 02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:45.549 neighborhood was built but today the fire code requires two 02:22:45.549 --> 02:22:46.639 points of access 02:22:46.639 --> 02:22:51.989 into a subdivision and they will only have one driveway 02:22:51.989 --> 02:22:54.159 along Colorado if that 02:22:54.159 --> 02:22:59.989 driveway gets blocked by an accident or something there is 02:22:59.989 --> 02:23:01.159 there would be no way 02:23:01.159 --> 02:23:05.329 to get in there so the crash gate in a situation like that 02:23:05.329 --> 02:23:06.559 the emergency access 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:11.299 gate would be used to get into that area and it goes both 02:23:11.299 --> 02:23:13.280 ways it is a benefit to 02:23:13.280 --> 02:23:17.149 these these people as well if their only entrance is 02:23:17.149 --> 02:23:20.920 blocked then emergency 02:23:20.920 --> 02:23:25.629 medical service and police can get through from Colorado 02:23:25.629 --> 02:23:26.600 into their 02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:33.729 subdivision and and it gives them aid does that help with 02:23:33.729 --> 02:23:36.479 the reason why thank 02:23:36.479 --> 02:23:41.200 you ma'am this is a public hearing Commissioner 02:23:41.200 --> 02:23:50.950 Rossell you had a question it's actually for miss Jackson I 02:23:50.950 --> 02:23:52.040 appreciate your 02:23:52.040 --> 02:23:55.170 clarification the emergency access gate just to further 02:23:55.170 --> 02:23:57.879 clarify our how did that 02:23:57.879 --> 02:24:01.040 subdivision get built without a second point of access and 02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:02.159 are they currently 02:24:02.159 --> 02:24:07.709 out of code I wasn't here when they were built they they 02:24:07.709 --> 02:24:08.600 have been there for 02:24:08.600 --> 02:24:12.959 quite a while and my thought is is that the fire code just 02:24:12.959 --> 02:24:13.899 didn't require the 02:24:13.899 --> 02:24:17.760 second point of access and they did anticipate in the 02:24:17.760 --> 02:24:18.799 future that they would 02:24:18.799 --> 02:24:21.790 have a second point of access because the subject site was 02:24:21.790 --> 02:24:22.440 supposed to be 02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:26.440 phased to and connect to Colorado sure I appreciate that 02:24:26.440 --> 02:24:27.639 and my brother is a 02:24:27.639 --> 02:24:31.280 didn't firefighter and I know the importance of having two 02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:32.280 access points to 02:24:32.280 --> 02:24:34.930 make sure that there is an emergency or fire in the house 02:24:34.930 --> 02:24:36.360 there's multiple ways 02:24:36.360 --> 02:24:40.530 in exactly the other question I have is can this new 02:24:40.530 --> 02:24:42.280 potential subdivision that 02:24:42.280 --> 02:24:45.750 we're looking at on the rezone be built without acts having 02:24:45.750 --> 02:24:48.600 access to Claremont 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:52.959 they would have to find some way to get a second access 02:24:52.959 --> 02:24:55.280 somewhere right now they 02:24:55.280 --> 02:25:00.629 can't get access to Santa Cinto the the vacant lot that's 02:25:00.629 --> 02:25:01.920 adjacent to them is 02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:06.840 actually the site of a future hotel the bowling alley we're 02:25:06.840 --> 02:25:07.799 not sure they will 02:25:07.799 --> 02:25:11.540 give them access because when the hotel asked the bowling 02:25:11.540 --> 02:25:12.920 alley to connect the 02:25:12.920 --> 02:25:16.620 bowling alley refused so we we don't anticipate that that 02:25:16.620 --> 02:25:17.680 they'll let this 02:25:17.680 --> 02:25:21.690 particular this site connect to them either okay that's 02:25:21.690 --> 02:25:22.680 most helpful thank you 02:25:22.680 --> 02:25:27.049 Cindy I've got a question for you yes sir at the mic what's 02:25:27.049 --> 02:25:27.920 the difference in 02:25:27.920 --> 02:25:32.280 the parking requirements for the NR six versus the NR MU I 02:25:32.280 --> 02:25:33.920 know and there's a 02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:37.870 18 by 18 pad that has to be with an NR six and I think 02:25:37.870 --> 02:25:39.600 there's some revisions 02:25:39.600 --> 02:25:42.590 coming on that what's the difference between NR six and NR 02:25:42.590 --> 02:25:44.319 MU 12 it's bit 02:25:44.319 --> 02:25:48.090 for parking it's based on use so if it's a residential use 02:25:48.090 --> 02:25:49.120 they have to have 02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:53.350 space for two two cars just like in our six so there's 02:25:53.350 --> 02:25:54.280 correct so they have to 02:25:54.280 --> 02:25:57.639 be the parking requirement for either zoning is the same 02:25:57.639 --> 02:25:58.319 that's correct okay 02:25:58.319 --> 02:26:03.510 thank you for a single-family attached and detached yeah 02:26:03.510 --> 02:26:04.559 exactly so it doesn't 02:26:04.559 --> 02:26:08.840 make a difference okay okay thank you for the clarification 02:26:08.840 --> 02:26:13.120 sorry we're gonna 02:26:13.120 --> 02:26:16.610 need to get you a chair sit right here beside I'm sorry I 02:26:16.610 --> 02:26:17.239 've got a couple more 02:26:17.239 --> 02:26:21.760 questions for you for heads up here Commissioner Sanchez so 02:26:21.760 --> 02:26:22.719 I don't on 02:26:22.719 --> 02:26:25.819 Colorado they can only have one exit they based on what I'm 02:26:25.819 --> 02:26:26.520 seeing here 02:26:26.520 --> 02:26:29.889 they've got a pretty large frontage right so they can only 02:26:29.889 --> 02:26:31.000 have one they can 02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:34.959 only have one access we've already met with the traffic 02:26:34.959 --> 02:26:36.200 engineer about that and 02:26:36.200 --> 02:26:41.549 they can have just one access because of the median that is 02:26:41.549 --> 02:26:43.079 closer to the the 02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:47.739 intersection of San Jacinto that prevents them from having 02:26:47.739 --> 02:26:49.319 any exit there 02:26:49.319 --> 02:26:52.049 which is where they had originally planned and they need to 02:26:52.049 --> 02:26:53.000 have it further 02:26:53.000 --> 02:26:57.920 to the west and they will need to provide right turn lane 02:26:57.920 --> 02:26:59.239 and left turn 02:26:59.239 --> 02:27:02.819 lane so that there's lots of access but not yeah there only 02:27:02.819 --> 02:27:03.840 be permitted one 02:27:03.840 --> 02:27:17.920 okay my other question was um no I've got one other 02:27:17.920 --> 02:27:18.719 question maybe it'll come 02:27:18.719 --> 02:27:22.950 back commissioner back thank you chair thanks Cindy 02:27:22.950 --> 02:27:24.520 question that I think was 02:27:24.520 --> 02:27:29.079 expressed by some of the people who live in that community 02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:30.399 was that if we do 02:27:30.399 --> 02:27:35.909 rezone this to NRMU 12 and mr. Smith's decides for some 02:27:35.909 --> 02:27:37.120 reason he doesn't want 02:27:37.120 --> 02:27:42.020 to build and takes off just hypothetically speaking then 02:27:42.020 --> 02:27:42.120 the 02:27:42.120 --> 02:27:45.489 concern would be that now they could come in and build 02:27:45.489 --> 02:27:46.799 multi-family so if 02:27:46.799 --> 02:27:49.549 we're gonna prove this with the overlay my question would 02:27:49.549 --> 02:27:51.360 be in that event could 02:27:51.360 --> 02:27:54.360 we keep the overlay oh the overlay runs with the land not 02:27:54.360 --> 02:27:55.200 with the property 02:27:55.200 --> 02:27:58.959 all right I know we've been over this before but I just 02:27:58.959 --> 02:28:00.600 want to make sure that 02:28:00.600 --> 02:28:04.200 wouldn't go away no okay the only way it would go away is 02:28:04.200 --> 02:28:05.079 if somebody tried to 02:28:05.079 --> 02:28:08.100 rezone it and take it away and we have to look at it all 02:28:08.100 --> 02:28:09.559 over again yep okay 02:28:09.559 --> 02:28:12.549 thank you another question for you Commissioner Sanchez I 02:28:12.549 --> 02:28:12.959 finally 02:28:12.959 --> 02:28:16.799 remembered we've had a lot of concern about you know 02:28:16.799 --> 02:28:18.600 traffic can you address 02:28:18.600 --> 02:28:22.770 that a little bit to for the public here so they understand 02:28:22.770 --> 02:28:24.319 what what the 02:28:24.319 --> 02:28:28.489 category of that road is and is there any future 02:28:28.489 --> 02:28:30.479 considerations of widening it 02:28:30.479 --> 02:28:34.920 or anything like that right now it's secondary arterial 02:28:34.920 --> 02:28:35.680 arterial is our 02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:41.909 second largest category of street it's four lanes and to 02:28:41.909 --> 02:28:43.680 the best of my 02:28:43.680 --> 02:28:48.399 knowledge that there's no plans to widen it at this time 02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:50.479 okay I just want to make 02:28:50.479 --> 02:28:56.350 sure sure and his San Jacinto is the same classification in 02:28:56.350 --> 02:28:58.840 size I see no 02:28:58.840 --> 02:29:05.479 other questions okay thank you yes sir if you have another 02:29:05.479 --> 02:29:06.479 common well I'll I 02:29:06.479 --> 02:29:10.649 use chair to we typically give one comment per resident but 02:29:10.649 --> 02:29:11.280 I'll make an 02:29:11.280 --> 02:29:14.639 exception for you please state your name and Jerry rolling 02:29:14.639 --> 02:29:16.319 2316 Claremont Lake 02:29:16.319 --> 02:29:25.129 my question was if you want access to Claremont or to Piney 02:29:25.129 --> 02:29:28.159 Creek those roads 02:29:28.159 --> 02:29:33.389 were never taken over by the city so they belong to the HOA 02:29:33.389 --> 02:29:35.719 so if y'all are 02:29:35.719 --> 02:29:41.270 assisting on access is the city gonna take these roads over 02:29:41.270 --> 02:29:42.920 I'll let staff 02:29:42.920 --> 02:29:47.680 address that one we again we're sort of premature in that 02:29:47.680 --> 02:29:49.280 that discussion until 02:29:49.280 --> 02:29:53.450 we get to platting we we really won't know to be quite 02:29:53.450 --> 02:29:55.479 honest I can tell you 02:29:55.479 --> 02:30:00.920 though we're not maybe Victor can chime in but but I don't 02:30:00.920 --> 02:30:02.239 know if we've ever 02:30:02.239 --> 02:30:06.159 forced traffic onto a private access way particularly when 02:30:06.159 --> 02:30:07.680 it's plotted as a as a 02:30:07.680 --> 02:30:10.260 private access way I think the only rights that the city 02:30:10.260 --> 02:30:11.120 has when I looked 02:30:11.120 --> 02:30:13.889 at the plat was for a murder you know for police fire 02:30:13.889 --> 02:30:15.399 garbage otherwise it is 02:30:15.399 --> 02:30:23.639 as you stated your your private street okay thank you okay 02:30:23.639 --> 02:30:26.920 thank you sir this 02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:29.600 is a public hearing anyone else who would like to speak on 02:30:29.600 --> 02:30:30.319 this item please 02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:33.280 please come forward 02:30:41.120 --> 02:30:50.600 Lisa Kettler 1925 Canyon Court and I have a few questions 02:30:50.600 --> 02:30:53.920 on the masonry wall 02:30:53.920 --> 02:31:01.049 I'd like to know what is the highest allowable wall per 02:31:01.049 --> 02:31:04.079 city code and I would 02:31:04.079 --> 02:31:13.159 also like to know at what what grade point the wall would 02:31:13.159 --> 02:31:15.280 be built on because 02:31:15.280 --> 02:31:21.309 we're about four feet lower than the field behind us so 02:31:21.309 --> 02:31:22.520 would it be built on 02:31:22.520 --> 02:31:27.360 that side or on the higher side and if it's built on the 02:31:27.360 --> 02:31:29.079 higher side and we 02:31:29.079 --> 02:31:33.250 keep our fence who is responsible for maintaining the land 02:31:33.250 --> 02:31:34.680 about seven feet in 02:31:34.680 --> 02:31:41.649 between and also if the wall falls into disrepair what is 02:31:41.649 --> 02:31:44.600 the procedure for us to 02:31:44.600 --> 02:31:49.659 go about getting that fixed I see Cindy digging in the book 02:31:49.659 --> 02:31:56.120 over there so the 02:31:56.120 --> 02:31:59.899 maximum permitted height of a wall or fence be it on an 02:31:59.899 --> 02:32:01.840 interior lot line is a 02:32:01.840 --> 02:32:09.469 feat and the responsibility for the maintenance would be on 02:32:09.469 --> 02:32:10.600 the the property 02:32:10.600 --> 02:32:15.719 owner for the seven foot strip that's correct it would the 02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:16.680 developer property 02:32:16.680 --> 02:32:22.549 owner of the townhouses and is there a through code 02:32:22.549 --> 02:32:24.520 enforcement as far as the 02:32:24.520 --> 02:32:27.940 maintenance of the fence is there a requirement on that or 02:32:27.940 --> 02:32:28.920 that would fall 02:32:28.920 --> 02:32:31.909 in code enforcement city didn't that that would be the 02:32:31.909 --> 02:32:32.620 property maintenance 02:32:32.620 --> 02:32:36.879 code that code enforcement enforces community improvement 02:32:36.879 --> 02:32:38.639 okay if you have 02:32:38.639 --> 02:32:40.659 an additional question if you'll please come to the 02:32:40.659 --> 02:32:41.920 microphone so we can get you 02:32:41.920 --> 02:32:45.379 on for those that are watching at home okay so if it falls 02:32:45.379 --> 02:32:46.120 into district 02:32:46.120 --> 02:32:52.540 disrepair who do I go to the I'm not sure who I'm sure I'm 02:32:52.540 --> 02:32:54.520 sorry use terms 02:32:54.520 --> 02:32:56.709 back and forth that we're familiar with the code 02:32:56.709 --> 02:32:58.319 enforcement department within 02:32:58.319 --> 02:33:03.069 the city didn't is who you would make a complaint to and 02:33:03.069 --> 02:33:04.719 they would then contact 02:33:04.719 --> 02:33:07.879 the property owner and give them a notice that the fence is 02:33:07.879 --> 02:33:08.680 in disrepair 02:33:08.680 --> 02:33:12.040 and they need to have it repaired okay thank you you bet 02:33:12.040 --> 02:33:12.520 thank you for coming 02:33:12.520 --> 02:33:17.479 out this evening again this is a public hearing I'll make 02:33:17.479 --> 02:33:18.639 one more exception we 02:33:18.639 --> 02:33:21.760 typically allow one one opportunity to speak but please 02:33:21.760 --> 02:33:22.280 come forward this 02:33:22.280 --> 02:33:24.309 evening I know this is a lot of people have come out and we 02:33:24.309 --> 02:33:25.040 'll make sure that 02:33:25.040 --> 02:33:28.350 we get all the comments on the record so short last time 02:33:28.350 --> 02:33:29.559 Derek gear 1512 02:33:29.559 --> 02:33:32.149 Greenspoint Circle just a question based on the 02:33:32.149 --> 02:33:33.680 requirements for the fire code to 02:33:33.680 --> 02:33:38.399 have two accesses whether this is rezoned or not once this 02:33:38.399 --> 02:33:40.079 land is developed they 02:33:40.079 --> 02:33:45.649 will need a second access and clarinet is the only one okay 02:33:45.649 --> 02:33:46.399 just clarify if I 02:33:46.399 --> 02:33:49.860 could just know that staff maybe you want to clarify my my 02:33:49.860 --> 02:33:51.399 head non there 02:33:51.399 --> 02:33:54.670 there are certain exact you know they if there are there's 02:33:54.670 --> 02:33:55.799 if there's less than 02:33:55.799 --> 02:33:59.239 30 30 homes or less I think they can have one access point 02:33:59.239 --> 02:34:00.079 again I'm not I'm 02:34:00.079 --> 02:34:03.229 not going to speak on behalf of the fire marshal but I know 02:34:03.229 --> 02:34:04.399 there are exemptions 02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:08.959 with respect to that in addition there's also the ability 02:34:08.959 --> 02:34:11.200 to sprinkle if they put 02:34:11.200 --> 02:34:14.280 fire sprinklers in so there are ways that that they could 02:34:14.280 --> 02:34:15.440 mitigate again very 02:34:15.440 --> 02:34:20.059 expensive to sprinkle those units but there are different 02:34:20.059 --> 02:34:21.280 sort of mitigation 02:34:21.280 --> 02:34:24.270 options that that could be done but again we're sort of 02:34:24.270 --> 02:34:27.079 early early on on the 02:34:27.079 --> 02:34:33.000 stage for that to decide right now Commissioner back thank 02:34:33.000 --> 02:34:34.280 you chair if the 02:34:34.280 --> 02:34:38.450 applicant would come back up a quick question for him one 02:34:38.450 --> 02:34:40.280 of the residents 02:34:40.280 --> 02:34:43.510 over in the garden homes ask how are you going to dispose 02:34:43.510 --> 02:34:44.799 of your trash it's 02:34:44.799 --> 02:34:48.750 gonna be individual pickup like they have or their dump 02:34:48.750 --> 02:34:49.319 sters per the city 02:34:49.319 --> 02:34:54.219 either way whichever is required of us okay meet that okay 02:34:54.219 --> 02:34:55.040 and well I've got 02:34:55.040 --> 02:35:00.920 you up here probably to respond to Lisa's concern would you 02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:02.040 be available if 02:35:02.040 --> 02:35:05.750 the walls in disrepair would you invite that they call you 02:35:05.750 --> 02:35:06.719 first before the 02:35:06.719 --> 02:35:09.350 usual we would in fact that information available to them 02:35:09.350 --> 02:35:10.040 where they could do 02:35:10.040 --> 02:35:14.389 that absolutely and in fact they're anticipating a small HO 02:35:14.389 --> 02:35:15.120 A to build 02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:18.170 reserves for the seasonal flowers as well as maintenance of 02:35:18.170 --> 02:35:19.319 the grounds which 02:35:19.319 --> 02:35:23.239 would include the wall entrances and that sort of thing 02:35:23.239 --> 02:35:25.739 thank you I have an 02:35:25.739 --> 02:35:28.760 additional question and in trying to listen to some of the 02:35:28.760 --> 02:35:29.879 neighbor concerns 02:35:29.879 --> 02:35:34.049 you stated you you all were open to doing two-story against 02:35:34.049 --> 02:35:34.799 existing 02:35:34.799 --> 02:35:39.159 neighborhoods yes sir we have in the options are given 02:35:39.159 --> 02:35:40.559 before us here by city 02:35:40.559 --> 02:35:44.000 staff an overlay and a number of requirements would that be 02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:44.280 another 02:35:44.280 --> 02:35:49.000 requirement that you all would be open to of us adding to 02:35:49.000 --> 02:35:50.319 the overlay to 02:35:50.319 --> 02:35:55.040 restrict those to a two-story height and looking at the lot 02:35:55.040 --> 02:35:58.479 depth on in our six 02:35:58.479 --> 02:36:02.180 in NREMU 12 which are the what you're currently to what you 02:36:02.180 --> 02:36:03.159 're proposing 02:36:03.159 --> 02:36:08.809 they're both 80 feet so if we made a requirement of two- 02:36:08.809 --> 02:36:10.440 story on 80 feet of 02:36:10.440 --> 02:36:14.940 budding adjacent properties would you all be open to that I 02:36:14.940 --> 02:36:15.799 think if they're 02:36:15.799 --> 02:36:20.690 there continuous to that we would yes yes and I think we 02:36:20.690 --> 02:36:22.000 tried to convey that 02:36:22.000 --> 02:36:26.479 to those neighbors as well but absolutely so you're okay 02:36:26.479 --> 02:36:27.200 with us doing 02:36:27.200 --> 02:36:29.409 that and try to ones that give them some protection to 02:36:29.409 --> 02:36:31.200 their neighborhoods of yes 02:36:31.200 --> 02:36:34.739 sir and be no different than a two-story house next door 02:36:34.739 --> 02:36:36.719 correct okay thank you 02:36:36.719 --> 02:36:41.260 for being willing to accept that additional requirement in 02:36:41.260 --> 02:36:41.920 the overlay 02:36:41.920 --> 02:36:45.559 another question Commissioner Rozelle this will probably be 02:36:45.559 --> 02:36:46.479 for city sorry 02:36:46.479 --> 02:36:49.000 Cindy 02:36:53.159 --> 02:36:57.040 just one clarification under the current zoning of NR six 02:36:57.040 --> 02:36:58.360 by right can a 02:36:58.360 --> 02:37:00.950 developer go in and build a three-story house on all 02:37:00.950 --> 02:37:03.040 properties I come into that 02:37:03.040 --> 02:37:06.959 40 foot they don't surpass the 40 foot height they could 02:37:06.959 --> 02:37:08.520 okay thank you I don't 02:37:08.520 --> 02:37:11.510 know if that's you know yeah I don't know if that's 02:37:11.510 --> 02:37:12.760 possible but they could 02:37:12.760 --> 02:37:16.930 but if we decline the zoning recase the applicant or anyone 02:37:16.930 --> 02:37:18.120 else could come in 02:37:18.120 --> 02:37:21.680 under the inner six and put three stories along all I can 02:37:21.680 --> 02:37:23.079 take you is my right it 02:37:23.079 --> 02:37:27.069 would never come to us they could just go to it okay thank 02:37:27.069 --> 02:37:27.959 you 02:37:28.920 --> 02:37:32.469 again this is a public hearing anyone else who would like 02:37:32.469 --> 02:37:33.799 to speak on this 02:37:33.799 --> 02:37:41.799 item please come forward sure one final exception and I'll 02:37:41.799 --> 02:37:42.360 come across the 02:37:42.360 --> 02:37:45.420 public hearing after this I just don't think it was ever 02:37:45.420 --> 02:37:46.040 clarified you'll give 02:37:46.040 --> 02:37:49.149 us your name and Daniel Kettler 1925 Canyon Court I don't 02:37:49.149 --> 02:37:49.799 think it was ever 02:37:49.799 --> 02:37:53.739 clarified where this wall is going to go no one ever said 02:37:53.739 --> 02:37:55.280 it's at the top of the 02:37:55.280 --> 02:37:59.559 or the higher grade or the lower grade so if an eight-foot 02:37:59.559 --> 02:38:01.319 wall which we've now 02:38:01.319 --> 02:38:07.319 established is the largest is built at the lower grade it's 02:38:07.319 --> 02:38:08.000 effectively a 02:38:08.000 --> 02:38:12.559 four-foot fence not really much of a fence it's built up 02:38:12.559 --> 02:38:14.520 there that makes a 02:38:14.520 --> 02:38:18.930 difference so there's been no clarification also one of the 02:38:18.930 --> 02:38:19.319 thing is 02:38:19.319 --> 02:38:23.750 you meant something that you just mentioned that if if this 02:38:23.750 --> 02:38:24.879 gentleman does 02:38:24.879 --> 02:38:28.489 not choose to go ahead with this development and all of 02:38:28.489 --> 02:38:29.360 this pushes 02:38:29.360 --> 02:38:35.190 forward to the next developer everything that you know that 02:38:35.190 --> 02:38:35.879 all this goodwill 02:38:35.879 --> 02:38:40.049 these get goodwill items are they going to be set in stone 02:38:40.049 --> 02:38:40.879 that somebody else 02:38:40.879 --> 02:38:45.049 has to follow through with all these points the only things 02:38:45.049 --> 02:38:45.799 that will be 02:38:45.799 --> 02:38:48.079 following through and that's why I'm mentioning the 02:38:48.079 --> 02:38:49.760 possibility of a two-story 02:38:49.760 --> 02:38:53.049 requirement is what goes in this overlay okay if it's not 02:38:53.049 --> 02:38:53.680 specifically 02:38:53.680 --> 02:38:57.399 called out in this overlay on the zoning to your point it 02:38:57.399 --> 02:38:58.799 is just good words and 02:38:58.799 --> 02:39:01.790 that's it okay that's what I would like that that's why we 02:39:01.790 --> 02:39:04.000 're trying to take 02:39:04.000 --> 02:39:08.549 some of these concerns that are being expressed here and 02:39:08.549 --> 02:39:09.860 possibly if the 02:39:09.860 --> 02:39:14.030 Commission is so inclined to possibly include some 02:39:14.030 --> 02:39:16.200 additional requirements and 02:39:16.200 --> 02:39:22.239 protections for the existing neighborhood to have a higher 02:39:22.239 --> 02:39:23.299 zoning 02:39:23.299 --> 02:39:27.469 but that's only bumped up to an NRMU 12 next door to you 02:39:27.469 --> 02:39:28.680 all okay thank you 02:39:28.680 --> 02:39:35.530 thank you sir sir Commissioner Ellis thank you chair sir I 02:39:35.530 --> 02:39:37.399 'm sorry I was gonna 02:39:37.399 --> 02:39:42.030 address one of your comments to maybe help you understand a 02:39:42.030 --> 02:39:42.920 little bit 02:39:42.920 --> 02:39:45.549 further so yeah the overlay is chair explained will run 02:39:45.549 --> 02:39:46.440 with the land so if 02:39:46.440 --> 02:39:49.090 this development doesn't happen and the overlay is approved 02:39:49.090 --> 02:39:50.280 for this rezoning it 02:39:50.280 --> 02:39:53.659 it it runs with the land with regard to getting answers 02:39:53.659 --> 02:39:55.040 about more specifics 02:39:55.040 --> 02:39:58.709 about the fence and whatnot this right now is just the 02:39:58.709 --> 02:40:00.680 zoning part of it the 02:40:00.680 --> 02:40:05.579 site plan comes next after that of which we will come 02:40:05.579 --> 02:40:07.319 before us and can be 02:40:07.319 --> 02:40:10.309 looked at in a lot of things that that we're discussing 02:40:10.309 --> 02:40:12.520 tonight are we don't 02:40:12.520 --> 02:40:15.569 really have a site plan nothing's being presented with that 02:40:15.569 --> 02:40:17.200 so nothing can can 02:40:17.200 --> 02:40:21.370 go up there and show us and that we can tweak at this point 02:40:21.370 --> 02:40:22.600 so right now it's 02:40:22.600 --> 02:40:27.040 it's the zoning with the overlay that we're discussing and 02:40:27.040 --> 02:40:28.479 then the site plan 02:40:28.479 --> 02:40:33.290 would come after and then you'd have a better idea of what 02:40:33.290 --> 02:40:34.879 that fence will look 02:40:34.879 --> 02:40:38.659 like and where streets will go and how the townhomes will 02:40:38.659 --> 02:40:39.399 be configured and 02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:43.239 whatnot okay so where does the vote come in that you 02:40:43.239 --> 02:40:44.159 recommend to the City 02:40:44.159 --> 02:40:48.809 Council is it between overlay and site plan or is it let me 02:40:48.809 --> 02:40:49.719 step in we're 02:40:49.719 --> 02:40:52.840 having a little sidebar conversation is for clarification 02:40:52.840 --> 02:40:54.239 this is going to be a 02:40:54.239 --> 02:40:59.200 residential case it's not a commercial case so the correct 02:40:59.200 --> 02:41:00.079 thing that will come 02:41:00.079 --> 02:41:03.959 back before this board is going to be what's called a plat 02:41:03.959 --> 02:41:04.959 a site plan is as 02:41:04.959 --> 02:41:07.969 Commissioner Ellis is correct is with a commercial 02:41:07.969 --> 02:41:09.479 application or a heavier 02:41:09.479 --> 02:41:12.719 density but with this particular type of zoning it's going 02:41:12.719 --> 02:41:13.920 to be residential so 02:41:13.920 --> 02:41:16.280 it's going to be a plat and that would come before us as 02:41:16.280 --> 02:41:17.479 Commissioner Ellis 02:41:17.479 --> 02:41:22.520 says and at some point here in the future so a number of 02:41:22.520 --> 02:41:23.639 the items and the 02:41:23.639 --> 02:41:26.139 concerns that you're talking about in regards to fences and 02:41:26.139 --> 02:41:26.799 those types of 02:41:26.799 --> 02:41:29.840 things would be talked about at the platting stage and 02:41:29.840 --> 02:41:31.040 there are going to be 02:41:31.040 --> 02:41:35.209 limitations that what this board can and cannot enforce as 02:41:35.209 --> 02:41:36.879 far as a plat is 02:41:36.879 --> 02:41:41.129 concerned because so we're clear about that why I'm trying 02:41:41.129 --> 02:41:42.159 to have some of the 02:41:42.159 --> 02:41:45.149 conversation give the neighborhood as much leeway some of 02:41:45.149 --> 02:41:45.879 you ought to speak 02:41:45.879 --> 02:41:48.959 multiple times to get as much information from you all your 02:41:48.959 --> 02:41:49.360 concerns 02:41:49.360 --> 02:41:53.250 that we can incorporate it into the overlay if this 02:41:53.250 --> 02:41:55.079 Commission chooses to 02:41:55.079 --> 02:41:58.620 move forward with that to address as many of these concerns 02:41:58.620 --> 02:41:59.479 as as possible 02:41:59.479 --> 02:42:01.770 and have them included in the overlay because we are 02:42:01.770 --> 02:42:03.000 limited in what we can do 02:42:03.000 --> 02:42:06.309 during a platting phase okay as long as they technically 02:42:06.309 --> 02:42:07.440 meet the requirements 02:42:07.440 --> 02:42:14.610 of a plat that will move forward okay thank you so much for 02:42:14.610 --> 02:42:15.239 coming out and 02:42:15.239 --> 02:42:19.079 your patience and expressing all of your concerns again 02:42:19.079 --> 02:42:21.000 this is a public hearing 02:42:21.000 --> 02:42:25.909 final call for anyone else who would like to speak on this 02:42:25.909 --> 02:42:27.600 item seeing none I 02:42:27.600 --> 02:42:30.760 will close the public hearing and I will open the floor for 02:42:30.760 --> 02:42:32.040 discussion and the 02:42:32.040 --> 02:42:34.399 motion 02:42:35.879 --> 02:42:39.299 Commissioner Beck thank you chair and I too would like to 02:42:39.299 --> 02:42:41.040 thank every one of you 02:42:41.040 --> 02:42:45.319 for coming out speaking tonight and it's it's it's tough I 02:42:45.319 --> 02:42:47.079 realize I've been in 02:42:47.079 --> 02:42:50.889 this situation to where I live and dealing with a change 02:42:50.889 --> 02:42:52.040 that's going to 02:42:52.040 --> 02:42:55.350 impact you but as you've all mentioned invariably this was 02:42:55.350 --> 02:42:56.360 going to happen 02:42:56.360 --> 02:43:00.350 sometime down the road and all we're trying to do here on 02:43:00.350 --> 02:43:01.520 both sides I think 02:43:01.520 --> 02:43:05.690 is try and minimize the negative impact that development is 02:43:05.690 --> 02:43:07.799 going to happen here 02:43:07.799 --> 02:43:11.100 my feeling is mr. Schmidt says we're backwards to 02:43:11.100 --> 02:43:12.760 accommodate a lot of things 02:43:12.760 --> 02:43:15.750 and I'm glad he is because you do have a nice little 02:43:15.750 --> 02:43:17.280 community set back there and 02:43:17.280 --> 02:43:19.690 I'd like to see you keep it as much as possible I think 02:43:19.690 --> 02:43:20.440 with what's been 02:43:20.440 --> 02:43:23.979 suggested here you will be able to maintain that now there 02:43:23.979 --> 02:43:24.520 will be folks 02:43:24.520 --> 02:43:29.280 like mr. Kepner and I think mr. Glover who but right up 02:43:29.280 --> 02:43:30.840 against this new 02:43:30.840 --> 02:43:33.829 property so they're gonna see things a little more 02:43:33.829 --> 02:43:35.319 dramatically than everybody 02:43:35.319 --> 02:43:38.860 else is so I understand that concern but we've got a look 02:43:38.860 --> 02:43:39.440 kind of at the bigger 02:43:39.440 --> 02:43:42.799 picture here the city is growing there's no doubt about 02:43:42.799 --> 02:43:44.000 that we've got to provide 02:43:44.000 --> 02:43:48.709 housing this is an opportunity for us to do that yes it is 02:43:48.709 --> 02:43:50.920 an nr6 but again mr. 02:43:50.920 --> 02:43:55.639 Schmidt's has indicated that he's willing to go below 10 02:43:55.639 --> 02:43:57.200 residents an 02:43:57.200 --> 02:44:01.139 acre hopefully a if I heard that right and that'd be nice 02:44:01.139 --> 02:44:01.959 and that's not that 02:44:01.959 --> 02:44:06.200 far off of an nr6 but this is an infill area that we need 02:44:06.200 --> 02:44:07.239 to develop we've got 02:44:07.239 --> 02:44:10.649 all these empty spots in the city and this is a good place 02:44:10.649 --> 02:44:12.600 to do it the idea 02:44:12.600 --> 02:44:16.520 of fire being a problem mentioned here I mean if you think 02:44:16.520 --> 02:44:17.520 about that lot that 02:44:17.520 --> 02:44:22.040 sits there when it's hot and dry that's a tender box and if 02:44:22.040 --> 02:44:22.719 that field were to 02:44:22.719 --> 02:44:26.079 ever catch fire that six-foot wood fence that y'all got 02:44:26.079 --> 02:44:26.959 there that's pretty old 02:44:26.959 --> 02:44:29.950 would pick up pretty quick and carry it so this would be 02:44:29.950 --> 02:44:31.280 another good reason to 02:44:31.280 --> 02:44:37.229 develop this area to prevent that kind of thing I think if 02:44:37.229 --> 02:44:39.200 we keep it limited 02:44:39.200 --> 02:44:41.969 to townhomes or single-family attached I think that's what 02:44:41.969 --> 02:44:43.040 we were talking about 02:44:43.040 --> 02:44:50.479 no more than that it stays in unison with what y'all got 02:44:50.479 --> 02:44:51.520 there it's not that 02:44:51.520 --> 02:44:53.659 distinctive it's not going to stick out that much 02:44:53.659 --> 02:44:54.719 understand there's going to be 02:44:54.719 --> 02:44:56.909 a little bit more traffic that's going to happen anyway 02:44:56.909 --> 02:44:57.799 once this area gets 02:44:57.799 --> 02:45:00.850 developed there's always going to be a little bit more 02:45:00.850 --> 02:45:02.120 traffic and as a city 02:45:02.120 --> 02:45:06.290 will deal with that as best we can as we as we move forward 02:45:06.290 --> 02:45:08.040 but I think I mentioned 02:45:08.040 --> 02:45:12.389 too that in our six if you leave it like it is by right it 02:45:12.389 --> 02:45:13.760 was mentioned by one 02:45:13.760 --> 02:45:16.750 of the commissioners they can come in and build a three- 02:45:16.750 --> 02:45:17.959 story there too and 02:45:17.959 --> 02:45:20.420 they don't have to come through PNC because they can do 02:45:20.420 --> 02:45:21.239 that by right so 02:45:21.239 --> 02:45:26.920 keep that in mind so anyway that's my position I just want 02:45:26.920 --> 02:45:27.680 to share that with 02:45:27.680 --> 02:45:31.909 you I were not unsympathetic to this new development coming 02:45:31.909 --> 02:45:33.959 in but this is a good 02:45:33.959 --> 02:45:37.659 opportunity this is a good offering I think that would have 02:45:37.659 --> 02:45:38.120 sewage a lot of 02:45:38.120 --> 02:45:42.360 the fears and concerns you have thank you 02:45:42.360 --> 02:45:47.479 Commissioner Sanchez I would also like to thank thank you 02:45:47.479 --> 02:45:49.000 all for showing up I 02:45:49.000 --> 02:45:51.989 think all your all the information you've given us has 02:45:51.989 --> 02:45:53.040 helped it helps us 02:45:53.040 --> 02:45:57.020 make a better decision I know it's it's kind of agonizing 02:45:57.020 --> 02:45:58.799 when you when new 02:45:58.799 --> 02:46:02.559 buildings or new construction is developed adjacent to 02:46:02.559 --> 02:46:03.600 areas that you're 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:08.090 used to being pretty open but like I'd like to say you know 02:46:08.090 --> 02:46:09.540 there's at one time 02:46:09.540 --> 02:46:11.920 we all figured the rules areas are going to have to be 02:46:11.920 --> 02:46:13.840 developed and I think he 02:46:13.840 --> 02:46:17.459 the developer has made a lot of concessions and I think 02:46:17.459 --> 02:46:18.600 probably at the 02:46:18.600 --> 02:46:24.430 end you'll find that what he what he does build probably 02:46:24.430 --> 02:46:25.159 will be to your 02:46:25.159 --> 02:46:31.549 liking it's close to the mall and and I think the the town 02:46:31.549 --> 02:46:32.879 homes that they're 02:46:32.879 --> 02:46:37.680 talking about 1600 square foot is pretty compatible to what 02:46:37.680 --> 02:46:38.920 's around around in 02:46:38.920 --> 02:46:45.559 the area Commissioner Rosa thank you chair I would like to 02:46:45.559 --> 02:46:46.799 echo question back 02:46:46.799 --> 02:46:50.239 and Christian Sanchez thanks for everyone coming out that's 02:46:50.239 --> 02:46:50.459 really 02:46:50.459 --> 02:46:54.360 helpful for us who may not be knowledgeable the area to 02:46:54.360 --> 02:46:55.440 know that their 02:46:55.440 --> 02:46:58.850 intimate cul-de-sacs and the environment of the 36 patio 02:46:58.850 --> 02:46:59.879 homes that's super 02:46:59.879 --> 02:47:02.530 helpful for me to kind of think through this process and as 02:47:02.530 --> 02:47:03.760 I've heard everyone 02:47:03.760 --> 02:47:07.719 speak as well as seen the presentation the things that lead 02:47:07.719 --> 02:47:08.719 me to make a motion 02:47:08.719 --> 02:47:13.680 are are threefold one it seemed like pervasive response 02:47:13.680 --> 02:47:15.239 from the citizens was 02:47:15.239 --> 02:47:18.920 traffic concerns specifically through traffic to Claremont 02:47:18.920 --> 02:47:19.799 and then the 02:47:19.799 --> 02:47:22.790 impact they'll have on Colorado and then from what I've 02:47:22.790 --> 02:47:23.959 heard the emergency 02:47:23.959 --> 02:47:28.569 access gate seems to be a an understanding response to 02:47:28.569 --> 02:47:29.879 mitigate flow 02:47:29.879 --> 02:47:32.879 through traffic from public vehicles not city but public 02:47:32.879 --> 02:47:34.059 vehicles and then the 02:47:34.059 --> 02:47:37.639 Colorado if there's right turn left turn right aways the 02:47:37.639 --> 02:47:38.479 traffic that's gonna be 02:47:38.479 --> 02:47:41.469 put on Colorado and then our six would put 53 homes and 02:47:41.469 --> 02:47:42.760 this is gonna put 80 02:47:42.760 --> 02:47:45.750 it's not gonna be a lot different than what's by right 02:47:45.750 --> 02:47:46.879 already available for 02:47:46.879 --> 02:47:49.870 NR6 in terms of traffic the other thing that was talked 02:47:49.870 --> 02:47:50.719 about extensively 02:47:50.719 --> 02:47:54.600 tonight was the density and I feel like yes there is gonna 02:47:54.600 --> 02:47:55.440 be an increase of 02:47:55.440 --> 02:47:59.399 density from NR6 to an NRIU 12 although I'm an emotion with 02:47:59.399 --> 02:47:59.920 an overlay to 02:47:59.920 --> 02:48:03.520 reduce that so there is a give on the density but I think 02:48:03.520 --> 02:48:04.280 there is a get and 02:48:04.280 --> 02:48:07.559 protecting building height I know everyone's concerned 02:48:07.559 --> 02:48:09.040 about the adjacent 02:48:09.040 --> 02:48:12.409 building heights but the applicant is actually restricting 02:48:12.409 --> 02:48:13.319 the rights that 02:48:13.319 --> 02:48:15.639 we're making it more restrictive than what can be built now 02:48:15.639 --> 02:48:16.440 so I feel there's 02:48:16.440 --> 02:48:19.010 a give and take for increased density but also protection 02:48:19.010 --> 02:48:19.879 of those building 02:48:19.879 --> 02:48:22.909 heights and the last thing it was brought up was the amen 02:48:22.909 --> 02:48:23.840 ity centers and 02:48:23.840 --> 02:48:26.920 the dog park and and whatnot and I I understand that that 02:48:26.920 --> 02:48:28.000 might not get used 02:48:28.000 --> 02:48:32.409 but I do take it as an olive branch from the developer but 02:48:32.409 --> 02:48:33.239 there is a 02:48:33.239 --> 02:48:38.649 consideration of trying to be good neighbor and so with all 02:48:38.649 --> 02:48:39.840 that being said 02:48:39.840 --> 02:48:43.770 I'm going to move to to approve this with the condition 02:48:43.770 --> 02:48:45.559 staff outlaid meaning 02:48:45.559 --> 02:48:48.989 defining it as limited to town homes with a maximum density 02:48:48.989 --> 02:48:50.159 of 10 dwelling 02:48:50.159 --> 02:48:53.799 units per acre as well as a limitation of a two-story 02:48:53.799 --> 02:48:55.040 construction on 02:48:55.040 --> 02:49:05.069 contiguous property to the residential homes Commissioner 02:49:05.069 --> 02:49:05.879 Rozo would you 02:49:05.879 --> 02:49:10.049 entertain adding the emergency access gate is requirement 02:49:10.049 --> 02:49:10.899 to connect to 02:49:10.899 --> 02:49:19.000 clear month yes the friendly minute so you'd have in 02:49:19.000 --> 02:49:21.120 addition to the staff 02:49:21.120 --> 02:49:26.680 overlay could you just your add-ons could you clearly stay 02:49:26.680 --> 02:49:27.040 because I think 02:49:27.040 --> 02:49:30.030 staff wants to make sure we get these as well yes so my 02:49:30.030 --> 02:49:31.360 motion is to approve it 02:49:31.360 --> 02:49:34.790 with the staff conditions of limited to town homes with the 02:49:34.790 --> 02:49:35.920 maximum density of 02:49:35.920 --> 02:49:40.819 12 dwelling units per acre as well as 10 yeah 10 thank you 02:49:40.819 --> 02:49:42.159 let me try this one 02:49:42.159 --> 02:49:46.559 more time I moved to approve this item with the staff 02:49:46.559 --> 02:49:47.760 recommendations to limit 02:49:47.760 --> 02:49:50.870 the use to town homes with maximum density of 10 dwelling 02:49:50.870 --> 02:49:51.959 units per acre as 02:49:51.959 --> 02:49:55.010 well as a restriction on two-story construction on cont 02:49:55.010 --> 02:49:56.120 iguous property to 02:49:56.120 --> 02:50:00.790 residential homes already constructed and the installment 02:50:00.790 --> 02:50:02.399 of an emergency access 02:50:02.399 --> 02:50:09.159 gate okay commissioner Smith thank you chair thank you for 02:50:09.159 --> 02:50:10.239 coming out and as 02:50:10.239 --> 02:50:12.750 Commissioner Roselle has already said I agree and echo a 02:50:12.750 --> 02:50:13.479 lot of the same 02:50:13.479 --> 02:50:27.500 sentiments so how will second this motion second thank you 02:50:27.500 --> 02:50:28.440 just as a point 02:50:28.440 --> 02:50:34.309 of order I want to clarify the motion that in staff 02:50:34.309 --> 02:50:35.159 recommendation they have 02:50:35.159 --> 02:50:38.799 both single-family and town homes and single-family 02:50:38.799 --> 02:50:40.879 detached in your in your 02:50:40.879 --> 02:50:43.870 motion you stated single-family residential you okay with 02:50:43.870 --> 02:50:44.200 the town 02:50:44.200 --> 02:50:48.159 homes and the single-family detached willing ends as well 02:50:48.159 --> 02:50:49.600 as in the city 02:50:49.600 --> 02:50:53.770 staff so the city staff I'm reading says the use of the 02:50:53.770 --> 02:50:55.000 site is limited to town 02:50:55.000 --> 02:50:57.280 homes 02:51:01.399 --> 02:51:09.219 I have an older copy here staff recommendation that I have 02:51:09.219 --> 02:51:10.760 for me here 02:51:10.760 --> 02:51:18.879 says it's limited to the single-family attached Victor 02:51:18.879 --> 02:51:25.559 there's still I got you 02:51:25.559 --> 02:51:30.479 yes it's typed differently in two different places yes I'm 02:51:30.479 --> 02:51:31.319 fine with the 02:51:31.319 --> 02:51:35.079 city staff outlined in the recommendation of 1a and 1b 02:51:35.079 --> 02:51:37.120 which says 02:51:37.120 --> 02:51:40.110 this there shall be no uses permitted other than single- 02:51:40.110 --> 02:51:40.639 family attached 02:51:40.639 --> 02:51:43.819 including town homes or single-family detached dwelling 02:51:43.819 --> 02:51:47.280 units great thank you 02:51:47.280 --> 02:51:49.239 for clarifying that because I know the staff's trying to 02:51:49.239 --> 02:51:50.040 make sure we get this 02:51:50.040 --> 02:51:53.639 written down correctly as it moves from P and Z to City 02:51:53.639 --> 02:51:55.879 Council we have a first 02:51:55.879 --> 02:52:00.229 and a second with the staff recommended requirements for 02:52:00.229 --> 02:52:02.399 the overlay in addition 02:52:02.399 --> 02:52:07.319 to Commissioner Roselle's two additional points of a two- 02:52:07.319 --> 02:52:08.600 story height requirement 02:52:08.600 --> 02:52:12.829 for any contiguous property adjacent to this and also the 02:52:12.829 --> 02:52:14.559 emergency access gate 02:52:14.559 --> 02:52:19.200 required for connection to Claremont and I think legal has 02:52:19.200 --> 02:52:19.319 just a mr. Smith 02:52:19.319 --> 02:52:22.600 since you seconded are you okay with that clarification yes 02:52:22.600 --> 02:52:23.120 I second is 02:52:23.120 --> 02:52:27.290 clarification okay appreciate the opportunity to restate 02:52:27.290 --> 02:52:28.760 the motion with 02:52:28.760 --> 02:52:32.040 the additional requirements and the clarification on the 02:52:32.040 --> 02:52:33.020 second and I will 02:52:33.020 --> 02:52:36.799 call on Commissioner Ellis thank you chair just a couple of 02:52:36.799 --> 02:52:37.399 comments thank you 02:52:37.399 --> 02:52:42.559 everyone for coming to speak hopefully what will happen mr. 02:52:42.559 --> 02:52:43.479 applicant is that 02:52:43.479 --> 02:52:45.760 you'll make friends here and then as you move forward with 02:52:45.760 --> 02:52:47.600 your development that 02:52:47.600 --> 02:52:52.659 you can continue to hear concerns and whatnot but I think 02:52:52.659 --> 02:52:54.399 with the the overlay 02:52:54.399 --> 02:52:57.389 protection that is being put in place that that the 02:52:57.389 --> 02:52:58.879 applicant is agreeing to 02:52:58.879 --> 02:53:03.280 it really is a very good thing for this piece of property 02:53:03.280 --> 02:53:04.879 and around you it does 02:53:04.879 --> 02:53:09.479 offer protections that you don't have now so with that I 02:53:09.479 --> 02:53:11.799 will support it 02:53:11.799 --> 02:53:15.799 Commissioner back thank you chair and I guess I would ask 02:53:15.799 --> 02:53:16.920 would Commissioner 02:53:16.920 --> 02:53:21.559 Rosell consider another amendment that would assure that 02:53:21.559 --> 02:53:23.040 the minimum height for 02:53:23.040 --> 02:53:26.780 the fence it goes around it is eight foot I won't say what 02:53:26.780 --> 02:53:27.840 material but I 02:53:27.840 --> 02:53:31.559 think the eight foot requirement would make a lot of people 02:53:31.559 --> 02:53:32.520 out there feel a 02:53:32.520 --> 02:53:35.159 lot better too 02:53:38.239 --> 02:53:44.110 isn't that what that's required by code that's the maximum 02:53:44.110 --> 02:53:45.159 loud if I'm not 02:53:45.159 --> 02:53:49.819 right yeah so it could be a six foot I would like to see an 02:53:49.819 --> 02:53:50.639 eight foot fence 02:53:50.639 --> 02:53:57.450 and give them that much more privacy I'm not opposed to it 02:53:57.450 --> 02:53:59.360 but there's different 02:53:59.360 --> 02:54:05.239 fences but there's gonna be an entry fence like a it's my 02:54:05.239 --> 02:54:05.959 understanding 02:54:05.959 --> 02:54:11.829 there'll be some sort of landscaped entry you're not 02:54:11.829 --> 02:54:13.000 talking about no I'm 02:54:13.000 --> 02:54:16.879 talking about where it will about say Jason properties 02:54:16.879 --> 02:54:18.600 right okay the two 02:54:18.600 --> 02:54:25.799 residential areas yeah I'm open to that okay thank you so 02:54:25.799 --> 02:54:26.920 we need to rework that 02:54:26.920 --> 02:54:34.079 then one more time I accept the friendly amendment okay 02:54:34.079 --> 02:54:35.239 Commissioner Smith I 02:54:35.239 --> 02:54:38.229 second that amendment so we've got that added as well all 02:54:38.229 --> 02:54:38.799 right 02:54:38.799 --> 02:54:41.879 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I will have to ask the 02:54:41.879 --> 02:54:42.600 applicant if he's 02:54:42.600 --> 02:54:48.479 okay with that added point of the overlay okay thank you 02:54:48.479 --> 02:54:51.040 great okay we 02:54:51.040 --> 02:54:55.690 have a first and a second and I think the motion's been 02:54:55.690 --> 02:54:57.319 clarified and I think 02:54:57.319 --> 02:55:00.719 we have that correct I'm going to support this as well I 02:55:00.719 --> 02:55:01.120 know the 02:55:01.120 --> 02:55:04.829 neighbors are concerned about it I see this as well as 02:55:04.829 --> 02:55:06.399 Commissioner Ellis that 02:55:06.399 --> 02:55:08.979 this is actually a better than what you could have built 02:55:08.979 --> 02:55:10.020 against you with the 02:55:10.020 --> 02:55:13.639 height requirement you can have three foot or three story 02:55:13.639 --> 02:55:14.399 buildings against 02:55:14.399 --> 02:55:18.750 you now the way it's currently zoned 40 feet tall I know 02:55:18.750 --> 02:55:20.040 you would like to see it 02:55:20.040 --> 02:55:23.079 as a open field but I think the reality is at some point it 02:55:23.079 --> 02:55:24.079 's going to develop 02:55:24.079 --> 02:55:27.879 and this is an opportunity for this board to place some 02:55:27.879 --> 02:55:28.760 additional 02:55:28.760 --> 02:55:31.200 requirements on the property owner and there's some 02:55:31.200 --> 02:55:32.319 restrictions on it that 02:55:32.319 --> 02:55:35.700 will give you some protections that you don't currently 02:55:35.700 --> 02:55:37.040 have and I think also 02:55:37.040 --> 02:55:40.860 in taking into account the emergency access gate helps you 02:55:40.860 --> 02:55:41.479 with the 02:55:41.479 --> 02:55:45.879 possibility of the future tie-ins and so with those 02:55:45.879 --> 02:55:48.159 additional requirements I'm 02:55:48.159 --> 02:55:51.170 going to support this motion as well I want to thank 02:55:51.170 --> 02:55:52.680 everybody for coming out 02:55:52.680 --> 02:55:56.399 it's we've had a good discussion and good give-and-take and 02:55:56.399 --> 02:55:57.020 same thing with 02:55:57.020 --> 02:56:00.059 the Commission I think we've worked to come up with 02:56:00.059 --> 02:56:01.600 hopefully a good motion 02:56:01.600 --> 02:56:04.590 here that will address a lot of concerns both the 02:56:04.590 --> 02:56:06.120 neighborhood and then still 02:56:06.120 --> 02:56:09.729 allow the applicant to develop the property within reason 02:56:09.729 --> 02:56:10.600 so with that I 02:56:10.600 --> 02:56:16.479 will call for a vote on the board this motion to approve 02:56:16.479 --> 02:56:21.680 motion is going to 02:56:21.680 --> 02:56:26.360 carry six to zero thank you all again for coming out this 02:56:26.360 --> 02:56:27.280 evening I'll give 02:56:27.280 --> 02:56:31.659 the room a minute to clear because we do have a lot of 02:56:31.659 --> 02:56:33.120 people in here and then 02:56:36.120 --> 02:56:38.719 you did great. 02:57:06.120 --> 02:57:23.639 With that I'm going to go ahead and move forward to the 02:57:23.639 --> 02:57:26.079 next item on our agenda 02:57:26.079 --> 02:57:32.489 as folks head on out and go ahead and clear the chambers as 02:57:32.489 --> 02:57:34.079 we move on to our 02:57:34.079 --> 02:57:38.309 next item and I'm going to open the public hearing now for 02:57:38.309 --> 02:57:40.559 Z 18 - 0 0 0 3 02:57:40.559 --> 02:57:45.600 and I will call on Ron for presentation. Thank you chair 02:57:45.600 --> 02:57:46.559 members of the Commission this 02:57:46.559 --> 02:57:50.569 request is for a rezoning of a property as well as an 02:57:50.569 --> 02:57:52.200 initial zoning of a 02:57:52.200 --> 02:57:57.000 property to CMG commercial mixed use district as you can 02:57:57.000 --> 02:57:58.159 see on this exhibit 02:57:58.159 --> 02:58:01.729 the southern portion of the property is zone NR 2 the 02:58:01.729 --> 02:58:03.399 northern portion is zone 02:58:03.399 --> 02:58:10.280 RD 5 by designation as it was annexed recently the subject 02:58:10.280 --> 02:58:11.079 site is approximately 02:58:11.079 --> 02:58:15.000 six point three seven acres general location is along Teas 02:58:15.000 --> 02:58:16.280 ley just south of 02:58:16.280 --> 02:58:22.440 J J. H. Heis of Geyer High School. The future land use 02:58:22.440 --> 02:58:23.920 designation has this area 02:58:23.920 --> 02:58:26.909 designated as community mixed use which is intended to 02:58:26.909 --> 02:58:27.920 promote mixed uses 02:58:27.920 --> 02:58:33.819 primarily commercial uses with complementary existing uses 02:58:33.819 --> 02:58:35.520 as well. This 02:58:35.520 --> 02:58:38.850 exhibit here at a slide just basically illustrates what is 02:58:38.850 --> 02:58:39.959 currently zone as 02:58:39.959 --> 02:58:44.579 described earlier the proposed zoning would be CMG as you 02:58:44.579 --> 02:58:46.879 see here similar to 02:58:46.879 --> 02:58:53.719 what's zone for the Geyer High School. Surrounding uses 02:58:53.719 --> 02:58:56.360 include a mobile home to 02:58:56.360 --> 02:59:01.319 the east some residential and a gas well to the southeast 02:59:01.319 --> 02:59:02.239 some commercial and 02:59:02.239 --> 02:59:07.079 industrial uses to the south NRM I'm sorry NR 2 CMG 02:59:07.079 --> 02:59:08.719 industrial uses to the 02:59:08.719 --> 02:59:14.129 southwest and then Geyer High School to the north as well 02:59:14.129 --> 02:59:16.639 as to the west. Staff 02:59:16.639 --> 02:59:22.510 looked at this proposal and concluded that the CMG is the 02:59:22.510 --> 02:59:23.200 consistent with the 02:59:23.200 --> 02:59:28.389 future land use element it is appropriate as opposed to the 02:59:28.389 --> 02:59:29.280 NR 2 and 02:59:29.280 --> 02:59:35.899 the RD 5 which is which are not Teasley is a key growth 02:59:35.899 --> 02:59:37.719 corridor as well as an 02:59:37.719 --> 02:59:42.120 entry into the city and commercial uses is more an 02:59:42.120 --> 02:59:45.319 appropriate use for this area. 02:59:45.319 --> 02:59:50.659 Teasley is currently a two-lane divided roadway however 02:59:50.659 --> 02:59:51.600 TechSat has begun 02:59:51.600 --> 02:59:56.170 construction or the work to widen and construct this to a 02:59:56.170 --> 02:59:57.479 six lane divided 02:59:57.479 --> 03:00:04.299 roadway 135 feet total from the city limits to the east all 03:00:04.299 --> 03:00:05.319 the way to the 03:00:05.319 --> 03:00:11.200 north to Lillian Miller. Anticipated widening completion is 03:00:11.200 --> 03:00:11.920 approximately 03:00:11.920 --> 03:00:17.159 January 2020. Notifications were sent out 14 were sent out 03:00:17.159 --> 03:00:18.719 to property owners 03:00:18.719 --> 03:00:22.120 within 200 feet 13 courtesy notices were sent out to 03:00:22.120 --> 03:00:23.440 residents within 500 feet 03:00:23.440 --> 03:00:27.610 and a sign was posted by the applicant. As of this 03:00:27.610 --> 03:00:29.280 afternoon there were no 03:00:29.280 --> 03:00:35.389 responses returned no opposition no in favor. Staff 03:00:35.389 --> 03:00:37.159 recommends approval of this 03:00:37.159 --> 03:00:42.319 route zoning change request as an initial zoning request 03:00:42.319 --> 03:00:44.120 that as it is 03:00:44.120 --> 03:00:48.649 conformance with the criteria of approval for the DDC and 03:00:48.649 --> 03:00:49.079 it is 03:00:49.079 --> 03:00:52.420 consistent with the goals and objective of the DEM plan 03:00:52.420 --> 03:00:55.000 2030. That concludes my 03:00:55.000 --> 03:00:58.239 presentation I'll be happy to answer any questions the 03:00:58.239 --> 03:00:59.399 applicant has prepared 03:00:59.399 --> 03:01:05.500 presentation and is prepared to do that next. Commissioner 03:01:05.500 --> 03:01:07.280 Beck. Thank You Chair 03:01:07.280 --> 03:01:09.870 just quick question on I meant to ask this in the work 03:01:09.870 --> 03:01:10.920 session you mentioned 03:01:10.920 --> 03:01:14.879 in the back with your background material any future 03:01:14.879 --> 03:01:15.520 development that 03:01:15.520 --> 03:01:19.770 encroaches into the ESA habitat or ESA floodplain 03:01:19.770 --> 03:01:22.040 designation AE would require 03:01:22.040 --> 03:01:26.760 a field assessment what's AE? That's a type of floodplain 03:01:26.760 --> 03:01:30.040 designation. What's AE stand for? 03:01:30.040 --> 03:01:35.590 I apologize. Now if there was anything online. Alternative 03:01:35.590 --> 03:01:37.959 of something right? I can't say. 03:01:37.959 --> 03:01:41.510 All I know is a type of it's a level of floodplain 03:01:41.510 --> 03:01:45.399 designation. Got you. Thanks. 03:01:46.000 --> 03:01:50.459 See no other questions for staff. Thank you Ron. I do have 03:01:50.459 --> 03:01:53.239 one card Patricia 03:01:53.239 --> 03:01:58.680 Font in support. 03:02:02.959 --> 03:02:07.959 Hi good evening chair and commissioners my name is Patricia 03:02:07.959 --> 03:02:10.040 Font I am an 03:02:10.040 --> 03:02:14.579 assistant planner at GNA consultants we are located at 111 03:02:14.579 --> 03:02:16.000 Hillside Drive in 03:02:16.000 --> 03:02:20.600 Louisville Texas. Alright okay so the name of our property 03:02:20.600 --> 03:02:22.120 is Hillcrest North 03:02:22.120 --> 03:02:27.530 and we are proposing to rezone our property from NR2 and RD 03:02:27.530 --> 03:02:31.319 X 5X to CMG. 03:02:32.959 --> 03:02:37.659 Okay so our land is a proper is approximately six acres 03:02:37.659 --> 03:02:38.639 located on 03:02:38.639 --> 03:02:43.399 Teasley Lane. To the north is Gair High School as you can 03:02:43.399 --> 03:02:46.319 see and to the south 03:02:46.319 --> 03:02:52.149 is some industrial uses and that's about 1,600 feet away 03:02:52.149 --> 03:02:57.120 from FM 2499. As we get a 03:02:57.120 --> 03:03:00.120 closer look you can see that Gair High School has added 03:03:00.120 --> 03:03:01.159 some parking to the 03:03:01.159 --> 03:03:06.270 west. This allows for great visibility coming down 2181. 03:03:06.270 --> 03:03:07.719 There's the mobile home 03:03:07.719 --> 03:03:12.239 park to the east and as I said before industrial uses to 03:03:12.239 --> 03:03:14.399 the south. 2181 will 03:03:14.399 --> 03:03:18.569 be is under construction and this will be a six lane 03:03:18.569 --> 03:03:21.639 divided. Our client also 03:03:21.639 --> 03:03:26.280 runs his business out of this building right here. 03:03:28.319 --> 03:03:32.719 Okay I know we had a question or we talked about kind of 03:03:32.719 --> 03:03:33.799 why this whole thing 03:03:33.799 --> 03:03:38.170 is not rezoned. Our client currently owns all of these parc 03:03:38.170 --> 03:03:39.680 els that are outlined 03:03:39.680 --> 03:03:45.629 in red and the cell tower is at the north or northwest 03:03:45.629 --> 03:03:47.760 portion which he does 03:03:47.760 --> 03:03:53.860 not own. There are gas wells in the northwest portion of 03:03:53.860 --> 03:03:54.840 the property that 03:03:54.840 --> 03:03:59.479 will remain and they will have access through the subject 03:03:59.479 --> 03:04:00.559 site. 03:04:00.559 --> 03:04:05.200 The environmentally sensitive area map indicates that there 03:04:05.200 --> 03:04:05.520 may be a 03:04:05.520 --> 03:04:09.010 water habitat in the northwest corner at this time. We 03:04:09.010 --> 03:04:11.840 intend to be preserving it 03:04:11.840 --> 03:04:16.420 all. Adequate public utilities are present and they will 03:04:16.420 --> 03:04:17.479 have to be extended 03:04:17.479 --> 03:04:21.829 all the way to the east of this development. Okay the 03:04:21.829 --> 03:04:23.079 future land use map 03:04:23.079 --> 03:04:27.760 Denton 2030 as you can see there's moderate residential 03:04:27.760 --> 03:04:29.239 there's industrial 03:04:29.239 --> 03:04:32.540 and commerce to the south and in between there's community 03:04:32.540 --> 03:04:34.280 mixed use. This X is a 03:04:34.280 --> 03:04:37.950 great buffer and transition between residential and 03:04:37.950 --> 03:04:44.440 industrial. Right now the 03:04:44.440 --> 03:04:49.340 zoning is split and the north the north portion is RD 5X 03:04:49.340 --> 03:04:50.360 and the southern 03:04:50.360 --> 03:04:54.719 portion is NR 2. That's primarily residential. We are 03:04:54.719 --> 03:04:55.799 proposing a zoning 03:04:55.799 --> 03:05:01.670 change to CMG. We believe it makes logical sense for this 03:05:01.670 --> 03:05:02.559 site to extend 03:05:02.559 --> 03:05:06.100 CMG all the way down to Teasley Lane. We're trying to clean 03:05:06.100 --> 03:05:07.040 up a little bit of 03:05:07.040 --> 03:05:10.030 the split zoning and it's also very important to us that 03:05:10.030 --> 03:05:11.440 our client remains 03:05:11.440 --> 03:05:17.319 his business and continues it on this property. This is the 03:05:17.319 --> 03:05:18.719 concept plan that 03:05:18.719 --> 03:05:22.110 we took to our DRC meeting. They had some great comments 03:05:22.110 --> 03:05:23.760 and we are working a few 03:05:23.760 --> 03:05:27.420 modifications for their regulations but we are getting 03:05:27.420 --> 03:05:29.440 ready to propose plotting. 03:05:29.440 --> 03:05:35.319 Thank you. A couple questions for you Commissioner Smith. 03:05:35.319 --> 03:05:36.799 Miss Fain. The 03:05:36.799 --> 03:05:41.079 projected use do you guys have an idea? It looks like it's 03:05:41.079 --> 03:05:44.069 obviously commercial use and it's obviously going to be 03:05:44.069 --> 03:05:44.639 some sort of 03:05:44.639 --> 03:05:48.809 development but is it offices, professional buildings, is 03:05:48.809 --> 03:05:49.639 it going to be 03:05:49.639 --> 03:05:53.000 strip mall? What is it going to be? Right now it's just 03:05:53.000 --> 03:05:54.559 commercial uses. We're thinking 03:05:54.559 --> 03:05:57.879 retail, restaurant, residential. I mean not residential, 03:05:57.879 --> 03:05:58.680 retail, restaurant and 03:05:58.680 --> 03:06:02.850 office. Okay. Thanks. Commissioner Beb. Thank you Chair. 03:06:02.850 --> 03:06:04.799 Did I just hear you say that the 03:06:04.799 --> 03:06:07.459 business owner for outdoor living pool and patio, he's 03:06:07.459 --> 03:06:09.040 gonna stay there and still 03:06:09.040 --> 03:06:13.000 run his business? Yes sir. Same building not gonna shift it 03:06:13.000 --> 03:06:14.040 or anything so gonna 03:06:14.040 --> 03:06:18.440 work around it in other words right? Yeah it will be demol 03:06:18.440 --> 03:06:19.559 ished and he'll work. 03:06:19.559 --> 03:06:21.899 Okay so it is going but you're still gonna have the 03:06:21.899 --> 03:06:23.040 business there at some 03:06:23.040 --> 03:06:28.379 point. I got you. Yes. Thank you. Okay any other questions 03:06:28.379 --> 03:06:31.719 for the applicant? Okay 03:06:31.719 --> 03:06:37.059 thanks very much. Again this is a public hearing. Anyone 03:06:37.059 --> 03:06:37.799 else who would like to 03:06:37.799 --> 03:06:44.309 speak on this item please come forward at this time. Seeing 03:06:44.309 --> 03:06:45.879 no one else I will 03:06:45.879 --> 03:06:49.110 close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion 03:06:49.110 --> 03:06:50.000 or a motion. 03:06:50.000 --> 03:06:54.809 Commissioner Smith. Motion to approve this request. Okay. 03:06:54.809 --> 03:06:56.440 Commissioner Bec. Second. 03:06:56.440 --> 03:07:01.360 Okay we have a first and a second for approval. Any further 03:07:01.360 --> 03:07:05.120 discussion? Seeing 03:07:05.120 --> 03:07:08.399 none I'll call for a vote on the board. 03:07:15.840 --> 03:07:19.610 Motion carries six to zero. Congratulations and good luck 03:07:19.610 --> 03:07:20.200 on your 03:07:20.200 --> 03:07:23.620 project and the chair wants to apologize for making you 03:07:23.620 --> 03:07:26.079 guys stay so long. I never 03:07:26.079 --> 03:07:28.770 know all the cards and everybody hears who's to speak so 03:07:28.770 --> 03:07:29.719 apologize for not 03:07:29.719 --> 03:07:35.659 moving you all forward in the agenda. Good evening. That 03:07:35.659 --> 03:07:37.840 will move us to our 03:07:37.840 --> 03:07:42.959 final item this evening which will be our project matrix. 03:07:44.479 --> 03:07:48.479 Commissioner Bec. Yes I wonder would it be possible to 03:07:48.479 --> 03:07:50.239 bring up what we briefly 03:07:50.239 --> 03:07:52.530 touched on in the work session how we've got an area out 03:07:52.530 --> 03:07:53.680 there in 3-8 that's 03:07:53.680 --> 03:07:58.319 NR2 that in my opinion clearly shouldn't be you know how 03:07:58.319 --> 03:07:59.959 would we go about is 03:07:59.959 --> 03:08:04.129 there something we can start here the process of looking at 03:08:04.129 --> 03:08:05.399 changing that area 03:08:05.399 --> 03:08:10.909 to something more amenable like the ECC. In the very near 03:08:10.909 --> 03:08:13.520 future we are I mean 03:08:13.520 --> 03:08:17.750 we're working on our internal sort of draft of the updated 03:08:17.750 --> 03:08:19.120 zoning map based on 03:08:19.120 --> 03:08:22.790 the new categories and I suspect in the next couple months 03:08:22.790 --> 03:08:24.200 if not sooner maybe 03:08:24.200 --> 03:08:28.000 two months that will be that will be rolled out so we are 03:08:28.000 --> 03:08:28.959 we're really taking 03:08:28.959 --> 03:08:31.950 a hard look at so you know sort of the first phase was 03:08:31.950 --> 03:08:32.920 matching up if you 03:08:32.920 --> 03:08:35.610 remember that the memo there was sort of the front two 03:08:35.610 --> 03:08:36.879 districts now we're really 03:08:36.879 --> 03:08:39.870 sort of honing in and saying does it really make sense that 03:08:39.870 --> 03:08:41.680 this area be NR2 03:08:41.680 --> 03:08:45.159 what was what was a long-term overall intent for that 03:08:45.159 --> 03:08:46.959 looking at gas wells and 03:08:46.959 --> 03:08:50.799 a couple other factors out there it the likelihood is 03:08:50.799 --> 03:08:52.719 probably slim to none but 03:08:52.719 --> 03:08:56.159 we are sort of that's where we are right now so okay it 03:08:56.159 --> 03:08:57.280 will happen very soon 03:08:57.280 --> 03:09:03.379 all right thank you. Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair. 03:09:03.379 --> 03:09:04.760 Twice now we've had it 03:09:04.760 --> 03:09:09.920 where the NRU 12 the permitted uses back in the backup has 03:09:09.920 --> 03:09:10.639 said the wrong 03:09:10.639 --> 03:09:13.840 building height. It will not happen again. Thank you I 03:09:13.840 --> 03:09:14.879 appreciate it. 03:09:14.879 --> 03:09:20.760 The kids yes makes us look like fools and also the Ronan 03:09:20.760 --> 03:09:21.280 mentioned that 03:09:21.280 --> 03:09:25.680 ETJ notifications on that last thing we put on did not go 03:09:25.680 --> 03:09:26.680 out we had brought 03:09:26.680 --> 03:09:28.899 that up in the past when we had it before where 03:09:28.899 --> 03:09:30.639 notifications about the did 03:09:30.639 --> 03:09:33.329 not go out to ETJ but people come and come you know say hey 03:09:33.329 --> 03:09:34.239 my properties in 03:09:34.239 --> 03:09:37.879 ETJ I wasn't notified did we ever have a solution for that 03:09:37.879 --> 03:09:38.479 I know it wasn't an 03:09:38.479 --> 03:09:41.069 issue in this case but just driving my memory saying that 03:09:41.069 --> 03:09:43.040 we did it. I've got to go back and 03:09:43.040 --> 03:09:46.030 look at I don't think it was ever really specified in the I 03:09:46.030 --> 03:09:47.040 know in the 200 03:09:47.040 --> 03:09:51.489 notice it's sort of explicit on it's the most recent 03:09:51.489 --> 03:09:52.440 municipal tax roll 03:09:52.440 --> 03:09:57.440 approved municipal tax roll and that goes into account for 03:09:57.440 --> 03:09:58.680 the super 03:09:58.680 --> 03:10:03.620 majority we sort of go above and beyond that at the 500 03:10:03.620 --> 03:10:05.280 sure what I'll do is 03:10:05.280 --> 03:10:13.280 I'll get clarification on that report back and report back. 03:10:13.280 --> 03:10:14.280 Thank you. Anyone else? 03:10:14.280 --> 03:10:21.840 Can I just add one AE AE is the prior to AE a the a flood 03:10:21.840 --> 03:10:23.040 zones are high risk and 03:10:23.040 --> 03:10:27.049 prior to AE being enacted there used to be an a 1 through 03:10:27.049 --> 03:10:28.559 30 and the number would 03:10:28.559 --> 03:10:31.940 correspond with the base flood elevation now it's just AE 03:10:31.940 --> 03:10:32.760 and then there's a 03:10:32.760 --> 03:10:36.340 number assigned to see AE 7 which would mean 7 feet above 03:10:36.340 --> 03:10:38.520 base flood is your 03:10:38.520 --> 03:10:42.700 finish floor so that's that's what AE it's not like it 03:10:42.700 --> 03:10:44.639 means really anything 03:10:44.639 --> 03:10:53.200 I it's just yeah rest assured. Thank you for the 03:10:53.200 --> 03:10:56.760 clarification and with that at 03:10:56.760 --> 03:11:01.399 850 to or excuse me 847 I will close our meeting this 03:11:01.399 --> 03:11:03.000 evening thank you everyone 03:11:03.000 --> 03:11:06.159 for coming out good job