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Commission work session for March the 7th 2018. This

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meeting has been duly

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posted and we do have a quorum present and I will call us

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to order at 5.03. Our

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first order of business will be to receive clarification of

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agenda items.

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So I will go through and does anybody have changes on the

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minutes? Nope, everybody good?

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Questions on the consent agenda? Okay, move us to items for

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consideration. Since I think this is going to be our work

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session report, do

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we want to skip that and come back and just do that at that

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time and let us go

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on through the work our public hearings? Is that okay with

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everybody? Okay, so we will

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return to individual consideration. Public hearing, call on

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Sydney Jackson for

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item A which is going to be the 1.719 acres. Good afternoon

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. Okay, this is a

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request to rezone one point, approximately 1.7119 acres

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from

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neighborhood residential to NR2 to employment center

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commercial ECC

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district. As you can see the site is located on the south

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side of West

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University Drive, approximately 820 feet from Thomas Egan

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at the intersection of

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University and Thomas Egan. This shows the current zoning

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map and you can see

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the subject site zone NR2 and this shows the proposed

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zoning map and you can see

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the subject site zone as ECC. With regards to the Denton

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plan, the site is

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zoned rural areas. Rural areas is for uses such as farms,

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ranches and very low

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density residential areas typically about five, one

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dwelling unit per five acres.

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Commissioner Beck. Thank you, Chair. Just this was kind of

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puzzling to me. It says

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now is this a future, is this what we're looking at future,

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was this what was

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considered for this area for the future or is that what's

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... That's the future land

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use map. Okay. And the site is designated for rural areas

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and the site over here

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is designated for business innovation and industrial

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commerce. I'm curious how

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we got from NR2 to rural areas. Well, NR2 doesn't quite

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comply with that and

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I'm sure they were going to fix that when we work on the...

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We've got plans for

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this area with regards to the zoning code. My suspicion is

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one of the reasons

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it was designated rural areas is because there's no

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development out there per se

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right now and university at that time was just a two-lane

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road. University has

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now been expanded to a six-lane divided arterial and when

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you make... You

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know, improve the access to a site then you'll have the

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development come to the

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site. So I expect we're going to... This is an area that

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you may see some

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transition going on in the future. Now there I ask is this

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... Is this something we

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can look at about going from NR2 to something more

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practical now considering

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the changes? Yes. Okay. Cindy, can I follow up on

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Commissioner Beck's point? Sure. I

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think he brings up a good point because I believe a lot of

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the issues in the

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future that may be addressed in our zoning map is a lot of

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this area has a

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tremendous amount of gas wells. Yes, you're anticipating

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one of my slides. Am I? Well,

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let me see your slide before I make any comments. Okay. I'm

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already getting ahead of you. Sounds good. Okay, and I...

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Is that the old just in case

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slides for us? Yeah. As you can tell the proposed zoning

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doesn't technically

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conform to the rural areas future land use map. However,

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when we have a

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situation where the zoning code does not meet the future

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land use designation we

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do have criteria, additional criteria that the request must

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conform to. The

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criteria is pretty extensive and there's a full discussion

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of how the site

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complies with the criteria in your staff analysis and I'll

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just go

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through it briefly. First of all, due to the size, shape,

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and location of the site

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along West University as well as proximity to gas well

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sites, this site is

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unlikely to develop as a single family house. Now, there

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are areas where perhaps

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they could, single family could develop further south and

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not be in full

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proximity to the gas well plots. However, they're still

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going to be have to deal

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with the gas well plot and if they wouldn't have driveways

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off of

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University, which as I said is a six lane arterial, there

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would be a street that

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would connect the houses to West University. Commercial

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uses are

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appropriate along primary arterials. You can see that all

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over the city. West

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University will provide the access and visibility that

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would be needed for

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commercial use. The ECC districts are typically found near

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employment centers

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and incorporate office and business workplaces with

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supporting secondary uses

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such as, you know, retail commercial types of uses for go

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out to lunch or

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something like that. The development must comply with all E

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SA, tree preservation,

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buffer screening, tree canopy, and lighting requirements.

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So you're going to

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have to comply with every aspect of our zoning code and any

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infrastructure

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needs such as water and sewer and electric will be assessed

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at the time of

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plotting and site plan process. Access and mobility, well

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we've got 1,234 linear

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feet of fringe along West University US 380, which is going

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to be a significant

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retail corridor now that it has been constructed to its

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full capacity, which

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is as six lanes divided a primary arterial. Now here's the

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gas well plat map.

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This little star right here shows our the subject site and

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as you can see

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between the city limit line which is located here and Mosh

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Branch Road this

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site, this site, and this site, are the only ones that are

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not encumbered

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by a gas well plat. Residential and gas wells just just are

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not compatible so my

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point was to show that it's a highly unlikely that any of

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this area is going

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to be residential in the near future. We don't know how

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long the gas wells will be

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there. They could be through for over 20 years. So yes sir.

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Commissioner Beck. Thank

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you chair. Is this is any of this area where these gas well

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plats are? Is that

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being used for farming or anything? There are this area

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right in here is

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used for farming. You have growing a crop? Yeah wheat. Okay

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. That we have that

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property owner has expressed that they are not in favor of

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this particular

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request and it's in your packet. She actually says it's

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being used for wheat.

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But that's pretty much that's it. That's it right here.

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Okay. Right here. Okay.

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Thank you. There's other places down here that there are

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single family

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areas. There's single family areas adjacent in the ETJ and

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there are

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commercial areas all along here. So down here to the south

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could possibly see maybe some single family where they they

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wouldn't have to

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deal with the gas wells because you can see the gas wells

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here and here and here

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and here and here and here. They're all over the place. So.

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Thank you chair. I know for a fact there's single family

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right where you

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were pointing because I've sold houses there so those are

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all single family.

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Yeah there are single family in there. Okay. Public

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notifications. We sent out two

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notices due to the size of the property the holdings in

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here. There were only

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two property owners located within 200 feet of the subject

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site as well as 500

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feet of the subject site. We heard back from one of them

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and it was this person

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right here and her opposition represents 49% of the land

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area within the 200 foot

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buffer and because of that this kicks it into requiring a

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supermajority vote of

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the council to be approved. Staff recommends approval of

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this request

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because even though the request is technically inconsistent

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with the

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future land use designation in going through the additional

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criteria

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we've shown that it is consistent with the overall goals of

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the Denton Plan 2030

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and the proposal conforms to the criteria for approval as

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outlined in

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section 35 3 3 b3. That concludes my presentation and I'll

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stand for any

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questions. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. Cindy did

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staff consider a lesser

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intense zoning discussion? We did not. Not at this time no.

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Okay. Is there a reason?

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Just because you felt ECC was okay? We thought that was

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fine. The applicant

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proposes to market it for office uses. Which ECC is not

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required? I mean that's

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not the only... Well that is the you can ask the applicant

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why how he chose that

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particular zoning designation but we didn't see a problem

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with it given that

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there's ECC located just 1,300 feet away to the east. I

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have some concern about

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the area as a whole right there and in particularly across

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the street across

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380. Across 380 and at that location is undeveloped. Oh I

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know. So I'm just

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I'm thinking of the future and this piece is ECC and is

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that actually what

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we want the area to become. There's no doubt that growth is

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gonna happen there.

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I'm a little concerned with the intense zoning designation

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here is what I'm

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having a problem with. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair.

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backup material that there's a small area floodplain. Can

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you show us on the

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map where that's at? Small area floodplain with associated

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ESAs. The floodplain and the ESA are just

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located right here. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions on

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this item? Discussion?

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Okay. I think you have the next one too. Yes I do. The next

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one will be Eric Schmidt

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and the 8.87 acres at Colorado Boulevard and Cindy Jackson

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will present that one

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as well. Thank you. Okay Z170032 is a request to rezone

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approximately 8.9

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acres from NR6 neighborhood residential 6 to NRMU 12

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residential mixed use 12. It's generally located on the

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southwest side of

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Colorado which you can see right here and approximately 350

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feet 15 feet

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northwest of San Jacinto which is right here. Here you can

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see the current zoning

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map with the site as it is currently zoned and here you can

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see the proposed

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zoning which would be an extension of the NRMU 12 that is

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located across

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Colorado. The site is designated as moderate residential on

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the future land

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use map. Moderate residential can accommodate single-family

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residential

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with a maximum density of 12 dwelling units per acre either

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attached or on

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small lots. This zone is typically used as a transition

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established single-family neighborhoods which we've got

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here on the west and

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mixed use or commercial areas and I should state that San

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Jacinto that is

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adjacent to Golden Triangle Mall and the subject site

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itself is adjacent to a

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bowling alley along San Jacinto as well as some office uses

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and there's a site

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that was currently approved for a hotel.

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Residential uses permitted in the NRMU 12 district are

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generally consistent with

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the future land use designation however staff does not feel

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that the multifamily

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and the commercial uses that are also permitted under the

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NRMU 12 are

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appropriate in this district and for this reason we will be

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recommending

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approval of an overlay which will restrict the uses to town

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houses with a

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maximum density of 10 dwelling units per acre. Now the

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applicant has indicated he

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only wants eight dwelling units per acre but he doesn't

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have a site plan

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formalized yet and this will give him some wiggle worm.

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Cindy just a question. Yes sir. Is that different than what

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was the original

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recommendation in our backup? No. I may have misread it

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then I'm gonna have it

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confused with something else. Okay I may be on confused

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with one another one. Yeah

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the recommendation was for approval. I see it now. I've got

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it here. Yeah the

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mixed-use overlay limiting the uses to townhome. Thank you.

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Moderate density residential neighborhoods are appropriate

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along

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secondary arterials which is what Colorado Boulevard is.

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Colorado

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Boulevard will provide adequate visibility and access to

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the site. As I

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mentioned earlier NRMU 12 is typically found in close

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proximity to low density

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residential. It serves as a buffer between the low density

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residential and

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more intense use. The NRMU 12 also limits the residential

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density and

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scale and we are proposing to limit the density even more

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than what it currently

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is permitted the 12 units. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you

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chair. Cindy currently

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under NR6 that's what it is now right? Is that six units

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per acre? Is that what it is?

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Okay. The development will have to comply with all

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standards ESA tree preservation

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buffers screening tree canopy lighting requirements and

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design standards and

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the infrastructure needs as always will be assessed during

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the time of plotting

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and site planning. The site has 904 linear feet of frontage

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along Colorado

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right here and Colorado is a secondary arterial road. It's

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got its four four

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lanes. It's parts of it are undivided and as you get closer

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to the

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intersection is divided. Here's a look at the surrounding

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zoning districts. NR3

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single-family is directly adjacent to the site to the west

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and NR6 is

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directly adjacent to the site to the the southwest. NRMU 12

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is across Colorado

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Boulevard and this request would be an extension of this NR

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MU 12 and then

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RCCD is located to the southwest which is where Gold Tri

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angle Mall and the

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associated pad sites and offices are located.

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Notification we sent out 35 notices via certified mail and

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116 notices sent out

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by regular mail. We've received six responses in opposition

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two in favor and

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one one we called neutral because it was just it depends so

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we put that as

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neutral and I've handed out to you copies of all of the

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notices that we

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have received since the time of the report was written.

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Commissioner Smith.

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Thank you chair and one of the one of the responses back it

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were all a lot of

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the responses back it's asking about traffic on Claremont

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as the entrances is

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have you seen that preliminary site plan did you say you

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said he didn't have one?

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No we don't have one. The applicant held a neighborhood

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meeting at which he

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produced a site plan and he wanted to get the neighbors

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take on it and the

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neighbors had a lot of issues with extending Claremont and

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so the

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applicant is working with the neighbors he is no longer

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proposing to connect to

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Claremont and he is working with staff to find other means

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of access. Okay that

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works thank you. Commissioner Roselle. One point of

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clarification in one

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question the percentages next to opposition in favor is

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that linear feet

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three percent of linear feet in opposition and three

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percent of in favor?

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No it's three percent in area three percent of the land

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area located within

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the 200 foot buffer. Okay thank you the other question is

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that's I haven't

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German back there in a while but isn't that in our sixth

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neighborhood is there

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a gate there? It's just open? Okay that's it. All right

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Cindy I have a follow-up.

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Yes. If there's not going to be a connection on the

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extension of Claremont

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to the east that subdivision just has one point of ingress

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egress. Exactly. I

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know it currently only has one but it has a future stub to

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the east. Yes it does. We

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know we are actually we're working on on an alternate plan

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so that there would

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not be access people would not be able to drive through

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there. I just was

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thinking about the fire code. Yes I'm we're working with

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them. I'll let you

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work on it just observation. Okay thank you. Commissioner

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Sanchez. If Claremont in

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that decision is that should that decision be made by the

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city based on

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what future land use or what the city wants or is it is it

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allowed to be made

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by the developer? It seems awfully. It's something that the

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city is working with

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the developer on so it's the city's going to say this is

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what we require and

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these we're giving you these alternatives to meet our

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requirements

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and then the developer will have to choose how he's going

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to do it. I guess

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because my question is I mean you've got a neighborhood

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back here that would

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probably be served if Claremont was extended right? That's

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right. One of the

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issues with extending Claremont that the the people

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attending the

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neighborhood meeting had was cut through traffic from

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Colorado and the fact that

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their streets it's their private streets they're extremely

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narrow they can they

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can't even accommodate sometimes the solid waste trucks

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that go through or

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fire apparatus so it's it's not a really a viable

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alternative to push it all the

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way through and give the general public access to that so

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we are working with on

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alternate ways to do that to take care of this. I don't

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want to say what we're

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working on yet because I don't know what will ultimately be

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the product.

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Commissioner Ellis do you have a question I couldn't tell

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whether you were saying? I had a comment.

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Okay. Yeah if I could. Thank you chair. Commissioner San

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chez that community right

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now it's a zero lot line garden community garden style home

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community

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very narrow streets they can't even park on the cul-de-sacs

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where they are they

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have to park in their driveway or garages and Claremont is

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the only place

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where visitors can park if somebody wants to park in the

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street in that

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community so their concerns are certainly valid because it

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is difficult

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to to to get around in there and as Cindy mentioned I don't

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think we would

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want just open access to that particular development to be

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to allow people to cut

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through there. Commissioner Sanchez. I drove by there and

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yeah I looked at the

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community so I was just curious why you wouldn't extend

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that I mean it would

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give access I mean you've got other roads that go on to

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Colorado in that

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neighborhood that the previous there's a couple other

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streets there. Right. We're working on different

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alternatives and we have to meet with the applicant.

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Okay. To see which way he wants to go. Let's hold just a

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second let's go through

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and let you get your presentation I think we're getting

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kind of off track and

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let's see if we can answer some of this in your

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presentation. I think that was

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just about it yes. We're recommending approval with the

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overlay which will

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limit the use to townhome and will allow a maximum of 20 of

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10 dwelling units per

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acre. Okay. Commissioner Rosales you have a question. My

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question is just I'm not

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familiar with the area I'm unsure what they're cutting

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through to if they were

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to be did they talk about because it seems like they just

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go are they trying

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to bypass that one strip of San Jacinto? Is that what the

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concern is? There is actually the light at the loop from

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backs up all the way. I can't where's the arrow?

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Thank you. There's a light at the loop and during heavy

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traffic times it can

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back up all the way. Past San Jacinto. So the concern is

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during high traffic they

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can't get to San Jacinto going south and so they cut across

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. They will cut across

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and then they will get on San Jacinto and then come go

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through the mall. Okay

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that's helpful. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. One of

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the people in opposition

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sent in a well-documented letter here and mentioned that

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the streets the

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Homeowner Association owns those streets. So what kind of

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private yeah so wouldn't

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the city run into some legal problems here if the notion to

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run Claremont

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through was pursued? I'll let you answer that question.

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Well they're saying they own the

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streets and because they own the streets you can't we can't

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come in there. We can't

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we can't attach to it. Is that correct? I'll call staff for

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additional. Just to

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clarify those streets were platted as private access ways.

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Okay. So they were

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not they were not platted as public streets. So when at

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time of platting we

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would look at you know whether or not there was some

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arrangement with the with

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the neighboring property owner. We haven't dived in to see

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if there's any

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anything on a title that gives rights to that neighboring

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property. I mean we have

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we haven't got that far into it. Okay well I was curious

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you know we're gonna deal with that.

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We proceed. Okay thanks. Commissioner Smith. Thank you

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chair. One of the problems

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they brought up one of things I was thinking about with

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whenever you have

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townhomes I know it's not technically multifamily we have

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anything coming in

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there is the possibility for it to go taller than two

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stories risking sight

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line of the backyard of single-family homes around it. Can

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we can we include

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into that overlay a limit on the height of the building? We

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could. Something

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closer to it in our six height. The applicant originally

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was proposing three

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stories and after meeting with the neighborhood he's

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reduced that to two

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stories and he's also agreed not to have them next to the

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the fence between the

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two properties but to move them back to try to restrict the

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visibility into their

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yards. I think words words are great but for I know for

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already adding

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conditionals and put an overlay and we might as well throw

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in the height so all right

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thank you. Any other questions on this item?

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Thank you Cindy good job. Not at this time we will take

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public comment we will

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meet again at 630 in council chambers and that will be a

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public meeting and

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anybody is welcome to speak on these items at that time.

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Thank you sir. That

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will move us to item C that will be presented by Ron. So be

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Z 18 - 0 0 0 3.

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Thank you chair members of the Commission. This item is for

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a rezoning as

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well as an initial zoning. We have CMG proposed for the

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entire site. Currently

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the zoning the property is NR 2 on the southern portion and

536
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,039
then RD 5X which is

537
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:10,509
a designated zoning that's given after annexation therefore

538
00:27:10,509 --> 00:27:11,680
is not actually

539
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,849
zoning therefore the request is also to initially add

540
00:27:15,849 --> 00:27:18,200
zoning and that is again

541
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:24,069
CMG for the entire site. It's approximately 6.37 acres just

542
00:27:24,069 --> 00:27:24,400
along

543
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,269
Teasley just south of Geyer High School. Future land use

544
00:27:30,269 --> 00:27:31,359
designation for the site

545
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,019
and the area is community mixed use which is intended for

546
00:27:36,019 --> 00:27:37,599
mixed uses as well

547
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:43,599
as commercial and other related complementary uses and the

548
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:44,039
proposed

549
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:49,920
zoning request is consistent with the future land use

550
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,839
designation. This is the

551
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:57,190
existing zoning map as I illustrated earlier the northern

552
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:58,680
portion of it is RD

553
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,759
5X again a holding or designated zoning district the

554
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:05,579
southern portion is NR 2

555
00:28:05,579 --> 00:28:10,049
the applicant is requesting that it be rezoned to CMG. The

556
00:28:10,049 --> 00:28:11,839
notch over here is

557
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:16,069
actually not owned by the applicant. I've asked the

558
00:28:16,069 --> 00:28:17,779
applicant to see what

559
00:28:17,779 --> 00:28:21,450
they can do. I don't have the answer they will probably be

560
00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:23,559
able to answer why they

561
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,710
were not able to maybe work out and have that property zone

562
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:27,759
as well but for now

563
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,359
the request is what's shown outlined in black. Commissioner

564
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,440
back isn't that where

565
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,119
the gas well is? I believe this is a cell tower the gas

566
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,799
well is just north of this

567
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,680
property. Okay thanks.

568
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,880
A little bit better of the area area of the area as again

569
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,440
indicated Geyer High

570
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,980
School to the north you've got a mobile home park to the

571
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:55,799
east some residential

572
00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,819
and gas well to the east southeast primarily commercial

573
00:29:00,819 --> 00:29:02,119
slash industrial

574
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:07,950
uses to the south we've also have NRMU and CMG to the west

575
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:09,359
and then as it wraps

576
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,019
around again Geyer High School to the west and you can see

577
00:29:13,019 --> 00:29:13,799
that that's the

578
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:17,619
notch over here which is the cell tower and then the gas

579
00:29:17,619 --> 00:29:19,240
well is just north of

580
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:25,119
this site. Staff did a quick analysis of course the the big

581
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,720
one is it doesn't

582
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,259
meet the future land use element in the future land use

583
00:29:30,259 --> 00:29:31,440
designation and it does

584
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,990
it meets all the goals and objectives of the Denim Plan

585
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:38,319
2030. It's a teasley

586
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,869
proposed to be a six lane divide roadway commercial

587
00:29:41,869 --> 00:29:43,799
development along this

588
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,970
corridor is important it's also a gateway into our city so

589
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:48,880
we want to make

590
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,670
sure that we have the proper land uses and CMG will allow

591
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:55,079
that. NR2 and RD5

592
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:59,250
does not therefore rezoning and initially zoning this to CM

593
00:29:59,250 --> 00:29:59,519
G is

594
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:07,299
appropriate for this area. Again mobility, teasley, six

595
00:30:07,299 --> 00:30:08,440
lane divided,

596
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,910
TechStat has begun work on this widening project between

597
00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:14,960
the city limits to the

598
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,490
east all the way north to Lillian Miller proposed six lane

599
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:21,200
divided roadway 135

600
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:28,589
feet completion date my understanding is January of 2020.

601
00:30:28,589 --> 00:30:31,039
Guaranteed right? Not

602
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:35,210
guaranteed. Just kidding. Public notifications was sent out

603
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:36,799
to 14 to 30

604
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:42,960
to 200 foot property owners 500 courtesy notices were sent

605
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,440
to 13 of those and

606
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,329
then a sign was posted along Teasley Lane. As of this

607
00:30:48,329 --> 00:30:50,359
afternoon staff has not

608
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:55,349
received any response either in opposition or in favor. We

609
00:30:55,349 --> 00:30:56,480
I have received

610
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,950
actually phone calls basically questions on what's being

611
00:30:58,950 --> 00:31:00,839
proposed and what I

612
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,880
understand what the applicant has stated in their narrative

613
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,400
primarily

614
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,000
commercial uses and restaurant I believe.

615
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,009
We'll skip that one. Recommendation for the proposed rez

616
00:31:15,009 --> 00:31:16,559
oning and initial zoning

617
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:21,269
is approval as it again conforms with the DEM plan 2030 and

618
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:22,599
is consistent and

619
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:28,480
with in line with the section 35 3 3 b 3 which outlines

620
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,079
approval for rezoning

621
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,509
cases. With that I'll stand for any questions. Commissioner

622
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:34,119
Smith. Thank You

623
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:38,609
Chair. In regards to the notification we had this on a case

624
00:31:38,609 --> 00:31:39,920
three four yeah three

625
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,279
or four months ago. Mm-hmm. Were notifications sent in the

626
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,319
ETJ? Do not

627
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,579
think so no. Okay. All right we'll bring that up in matrix

628
00:31:47,579 --> 00:31:49,359
then. Okay.

629
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,359
Commissioner Beck.

630
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,960
Yes.

631
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,490
That's correct that's my understanding and in their

632
00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:17,920
property it just barely

633
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:24,039
touches it but yet this area. That's correct yes it's in

634
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:26,400
this general area.

635
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,690
Right and it's it's not much of their property again it's

636
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:30,720
in the northeast

637
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,960
portion of it but certainly we looked in yes. Commissioner

638
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,680
Beck you've got your idea

639
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,960
and I'm sorry. I'm getting the lights flashing. Should I

640
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,480
say that over again?

641
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:51,589
Okay sorry. Anybody else? Thank you Ron. Thank you. That

642
00:32:51,589 --> 00:32:52,319
will get through our

643
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:57,220
public hearing section and we will go back now and catch

644
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:59,079
both our individual

645
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:04,000
consideration items and also our work session report and

646
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,480
that will be Chad

647
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,359
Allen. Chad before you get started how long will your

648
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:12,079
presentation be? I'm

649
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,160
trying to decide whether we want to take a break now and

650
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,039
get food while you're

651
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:22,480
getting ready or okay great.

652
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:38,950
I think they may have practiced it. Good evening chair,

653
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:39,880
commissioners. I'm Chad

654
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,420
Allen. I'm deputy city engineer responsible for Capital

655
00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:43,799
Project Delivery

656
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,789
and I and Preetam our traffic engineer are going to talk

657
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:48,200
about the drainage and

658
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,799
transportation design criteria manuals update and we're

659
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:51,799
going to try to keep it

660
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,910
short. We're just going to talk about try to talk about the

661
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:54,599
changes that have

662
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,960
happened since the last time we presented this to the

663
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,119
Commission which was on

664
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,880
January 24th. So we're just going to try to focus on the

665
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,720
changes. We're going to

666
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,880
ask you tonight to consider to make any more comments that

667
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,880
you might want to

668
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,309
make about the manuals and then later during the public

669
00:34:12,309 --> 00:34:13,400
meeting hopefully to

670
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,070
recommend approval of the changes of the design criteria

671
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:18,119
manuals to City

672
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,889
Council and again we're talking about the drainage design

673
00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:21,840
criteria manual and

674
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,010
the transportation design criteria manual. So this is where

675
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:26,719
we're at in

676
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,119
the process. We presented this to planning and zoning back

677
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:31,599
on January 24th.

678
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,099
At that time we were going through a 30-day official

679
00:34:35,099 --> 00:34:36,639
comment public comment

680
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,409
period. We had put a public notice at City Hall. We'd

681
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:40,400
uploaded all the

682
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,550
documents to the website and we had distributed them to the

683
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:44,320
development

684
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,469
community. After the last planning and zoning meeting we

685
00:34:47,469 --> 00:34:48,239
met with the

686
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,420
development community about the drainage design criteria

687
00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:52,719
manual on February 6th

688
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,710
and specifically we met with the Denton Community

689
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:57,519
Development Alliance. On

690
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,510
February 13th we met with that same organization about the

691
00:35:00,510 --> 00:35:00,960
transportation

692
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,150
design criteria manual and we received a lot of feedback

693
00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:04,280
from them. Their

694
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,429
comments and our responses to their comments are in your

695
00:35:07,429 --> 00:35:09,000
backup. We

696
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,769
incorporated we made a lot of changes based on those

697
00:35:11,769 --> 00:35:13,039
comments and we revised

698
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,320
the drafts by March 1st and then on March 6th we started

699
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,679
another final seven

700
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,849
public comment day period. That's happening right now and

701
00:35:20,849 --> 00:35:21,840
that lasts until

702
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,780
March 13th. Tonight we're bringing them back to planning

703
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:25,400
and zoning for

704
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,389
consideration and then hopefully for approval tonight and

705
00:35:28,389 --> 00:35:30,039
then after the

706
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:33,849
public comment period is over on March 13th we expect to

707
00:35:33,849 --> 00:35:34,840
have the final drafts

708
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,840
completed on the 15th. We're currently scheduled to go to

709
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,880
council on the 20th

710
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,039
for a public hearing. We'll give the entire presentation we

711
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:42,599
gave to planning

712
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,989
and zoning at that council public hearing along with the

713
00:35:45,989 --> 00:35:46,400
all of the

714
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,989
changes. We'll discuss all the changes at that meeting and

715
00:35:48,989 --> 00:35:49,760
then hopefully a

716
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,239
couple days after that we'll be able to publish the final

717
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,960
updates to the

718
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,550
manuals and upload them to the website and start

719
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:56,840
distributing them to the

720
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,739
development community. So these are the major changes that

721
00:36:01,739 --> 00:36:02,159
happen to the

722
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,849
drainage manual after the public comment period and after

723
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:05,760
receiving your feedback

724
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,929
at the last planning and zoning meeting. We received 53

725
00:36:09,929 --> 00:36:11,000
comments during the

726
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,989
public comment period mostly from the Denton Community

727
00:36:13,989 --> 00:36:15,000
Development Alliance

728
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,429
and then we received some good feedback from planning and

729
00:36:17,429 --> 00:36:19,360
zoning on January 24th.

730
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,349
One of the things we didn't do the very first thing we

731
00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:23,519
wanted to do was define

732
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:25,920
I-swim in the manual and we realized tonight right before

733
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,639
this meeting that we

734
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,760
didn't do that. We've actually made that change. Our

735
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,000
consultant has that in his

736
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,650
lap over there so that definitely will be incorporated into

737
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:34,400
the final manual. I

738
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,409
apologize about that. We also clarified the fence policy.

739
00:36:38,409 --> 00:36:38,880
These are the major

740
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,280
changes in the in the drainage manual. We clarified the

741
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,519
fence policy or we tried to.

742
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,750
We hope we did that to your satisfaction. Basically the

743
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:46,960
Denton development code

744
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,949
describes some of our fence requirements and the

745
00:36:49,949 --> 00:36:51,519
development code now says that

746
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,630
there's no fences allowed in drainage easements or in flood

747
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:56,239
plains. That's been

748
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,800
added to the development code. It didn't previously used to

749
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,960
say flood plains. It

750
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,760
just focused on drainage easements so that change has been

751
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,340
made to the

752
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:06,329
development code. No new fences in drainage easements or

753
00:37:06,329 --> 00:37:06,920
flood plains

754
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,769
except where an exception is provided in the design

755
00:37:11,769 --> 00:37:13,360
criteria. So we did

756
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,809
provide one exception in the design criteria and it

757
00:37:15,809 --> 00:37:16,880
basically says if there's

758
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,429
a drainage easement that has a fully sized 100-year

759
00:37:20,429 --> 00:37:21,719
capacity underground

760
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,250
storm drain in the easement then you can put any non mason

761
00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:25,880
ry fence across it. Go

762
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,079
ahead. Question on that. I appreciate you all taking the

763
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:29,920
comment and

764
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,239
trying to address it. The question that I have when I read

765
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,119
that it says further

766
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:40,280
down in the exception that you can do that provided that

767
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,679
there's not surface

768
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:46,219
flow there and I think typically where those come into

769
00:37:46,219 --> 00:37:48,079
account is we're gonna

770
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,730
have what's called overland relief situations wherever you

771
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:52,719
have those pipe

772
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,099
systems through normally through residential yards. So even

773
00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:56,760
though there's

774
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840
an exception there because of the overland relief

775
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,880
requirement you're still

776
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,750
not gonna be able to put a fence there even if it's knock

777
00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:05,360
out. That's how I... I

778
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,349
guess you could look at it that way and the reason we are

779
00:38:08,349 --> 00:38:09,000
making that

780
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,550
requirement that there has to be a 100-year design pipe

781
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:12,199
underground is

782
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,480
because we don't want to put a fence across a ditch that is

783
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,199
required to

784
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,739
carry some of that flow. So that's the whole reason for not

785
00:38:19,739 --> 00:38:21,039
wanting fences in

786
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,469
overland flow ditch sort of situations because they

787
00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:26,280
obstruct the flow. They can

788
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,929
be washed downstream during large storms and they could be

789
00:38:28,929 --> 00:38:29,679
debris that could

790
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,449
cause damage downstream so we don't want fences in those

791
00:38:32,449 --> 00:38:33,679
locations but the intent

792
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,179
of this exception was that if there is that pipe under the

793
00:38:37,179 --> 00:38:38,280
ground and if the

794
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,570
surface really isn't for carrying any of the 100-year storm

795
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:42,199
it's basically

796
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,920
carried in that pipe then you can put your fence across it.

797
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,440
So just a

798
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,239
clarification I appreciate the clarification is that if it

799
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,800
's a hundred

800
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,150
your storm can be carried in the pipe but you still have to

801
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:55,559
have the requirement

802
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,030
for if there's a problem with the pipe you know something

803
00:38:58,030 --> 00:38:58,880
blocks up the curb

804
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,980
inlet and you have to provide for overland relief which you

805
00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:03,440
have to do you

806
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,539
all are gonna allow fences to be in that application or not

807
00:39:06,539 --> 00:39:09,199
? I think you're sort

808
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:13,119
of talking about a we cover that in this positive overflow

809
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,639
situation that we talk

810
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,679
about in the next bullet point but the intent generally is

811
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:19,840
to allow fences

812
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,829
across those drainage easements where there is an

813
00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:24,320
underground pipe system that's

814
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,769
sized appropriately. Okay. I think I kind of understand

815
00:39:27,769 --> 00:39:29,119
what you're saying those

816
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,070
pipe systems are going to be located in low points and

817
00:39:31,070 --> 00:39:32,039
there's going to be some

818
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:36,210
overland flow but basically the intent is to allow fences

819
00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:37,519
across there if that

820
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,690
pipe system exists. That's always a question that we I deal

821
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:42,639
with constantly

822
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,239
with clients. Yeah. We have a drainage pipe why can't I put

823
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:46,840
a fence over it?

824
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,860
Right. And so just trying to clarify I know Commissioner

825
00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:50,880
Ellis asked the same

826
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,639
right it's a constant resident complaint concern and I

827
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,079
appreciate you all trying

828
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:59,269
to address it. We'll make sure it is allowed under those

829
00:39:59,269 --> 00:40:00,599
circumstances. Yes

830
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,940
that's definitely the intent. Commissioner Beck. Thank you

831
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:04,880
chair. Are we

832
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,869
talking about privacy type fences or just fences? So these

833
00:40:08,869 --> 00:40:10,159
are privacy fences

834
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,639
for homeowners is it? Okay okay so we're probably looking

835
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:14,719
at wood fences then

836
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,949
something that would because it seems like if we had chain

837
00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:19,320
link or even you

838
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,760
know the metal fences that water can flow through. Right.

839
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,760
It didn't seem like it'd

840
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,159
be that big a deal but then I don't know. This allows any

841
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:28,480
kind of

842
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,710
fence across the drainage easement as long as that pipe

843
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:32,800
system with a hundred

844
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,800
year storm capacity is installed underground. Okay. And the

845
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,239
panels are

846
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,230
removable. Yes so we can get in there for maintenance

847
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:43,440
purposes. The next major

848
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,800
change was about the amount of water that's allowed to run

849
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,360
stormwater that's

850
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,829
allowed to discharge from a newly developed site and we've

851
00:40:52,829 --> 00:40:53,280
added the

852
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,320
requirement that if the flow exceeds 3 CFS or if it's less

853
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,679
than 300 CFS that it

854
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,369
has to be put underground. That this is something that we

855
00:41:00,369 --> 00:41:01,079
've been implementing

856
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,860
as part of the DRC process for a long long time. It just

857
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:05,920
hasn't been described

858
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,460
in our design criteria very well so we tried to implement

859
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:10,599
that now as part of

860
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:13,059
design criteria. In fact all of these policies the last

861
00:41:13,059 --> 00:41:13,960
three policies are

862
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,159
things that we've been implementing for a long time but

863
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:17,000
they just weren't

864
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,300
described in the design criteria well. The next thing is

865
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:21,599
about positive overflow

866
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,179
areas. You may have sort of been talking about this. These

867
00:41:24,179 --> 00:41:24,940
positive overflow

868
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:29,219
areas are low points in the road where there's an inlet at

869
00:41:29,219 --> 00:41:31,079
a low point and if

870
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,559
that inlet were clogged water would pond and possibly flood

871
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:35,440
structures around

872
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,610
that inlet. So we require that an acceptable outfall area

873
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:40,639
be identified

874
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,630
for those areas and lately as part of the development

875
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:44,599
process we've been

876
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:47,269
asking and trying to implement and asking developers to

877
00:41:47,269 --> 00:41:48,119
install concrete

878
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:51,579
flumes and easements behind these low point inlets that

879
00:41:51,579 --> 00:41:52,519
drain to an

880
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:56,179
appropriate area to provide positive outflow in case the in

881
00:41:56,179 --> 00:41:56,880
lets are clogged.

882
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,869
So that's what this is about. Again we've been implementing

883
00:41:59,869 --> 00:42:01,019
this as part of DRC

884
00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:04,010
for a long time. It just hasn't been described well in our

885
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:05,420
criteria. That may

886
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:09,360
be the clarification in the past they weren't concrete they

887
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,320
were grass areas.

888
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,019
So it seems like you can put a fence over it till you read

889
00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:13,880
that part that if

890
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,480
it's... So this fences aren't allowed here because this is

891
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,679
for the this is overland

892
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:22,230
flow. This is identified for overland flow in those

893
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:23,079
situations where the

894
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,269
inlets are clogged and right that exception about the f

895
00:42:26,269 --> 00:42:27,039
encing doesn't

896
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,400
apply for this situation. Right but if you're going to

897
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,079
require to be concrete

898
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:34,559
in all those situations and you can't put fences in them.

899
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:35,880
Correct. This is an

900
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,360
overland flow area. So we're trying we're trying to again

901
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:40,840
with our fence

902
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,300
policy we're trying to not allow obstructions to the flow

903
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:46,320
where overland

904
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,880
flow is is required where it is required but when there is

905
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:51,599
an underground

906
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,110
system where overland flow isn't required to carry any of

907
00:42:54,110 --> 00:42:54,800
the stormwater

908
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,929
you can fence across it which hasn't really been the case

909
00:42:57,929 --> 00:42:58,920
in the past. So we

910
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,940
are trying to make it more acceptable and flexible for

911
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:06,360
fences. Okay. I'm not sure if

912
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,050
we satisfied you. I still feel like you're unsatisfied.

913
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:11,119
Well I just I can

914
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,110
hear the comments coming in the future so okay anyway I

915
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:14,960
appreciate you trying

916
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,150
to I appreciate you taking the feedback and trying to do

917
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:18,800
what you can. I

918
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,440
understand public safety comes first. I totally agree with

919
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,719
that. Right. And it's

920
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,079
just I know it's just always been a sore issue for a lot of

921
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:27,840
people in the past

922
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,530
of can't put a fence in the yard and there's a 16-foot

923
00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:32,960
strip I can't mow it I

924
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,099
mean I can't do anything with it but I got to mow it pay

925
00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:35,920
taxes on it I can't

926
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,909
use it and you've heard it plenty of times too so just

927
00:43:38,909 --> 00:43:39,719
asking while we're

928
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,710
talking about it. Okay. Thank you. And the next bullet

929
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:43,760
point is also something

930
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,030
we've been implementing for a long time as part of DRC it

931
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:46,880
hasn't been described

932
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,869
well in our design criteria and then it's about the FEMA

933
00:43:49,869 --> 00:43:51,039
shaded zone X areas

934
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,170
on the firm panels these are shaded zone X areas that aren

935
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:55,579
't really the the 500

936
00:43:55,579 --> 00:43:57,880
year areas that we don't really regulate in but these are

937
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,920
the ones that have a

938
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,960
small less than square mile drainage area and they're

939
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,239
identified as shaded

940
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,199
zone X areas on the flood map. As part of the DRC process

941
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,039
we treat them as flood

942
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,860
plain areas and we ask developers to process map to study

943
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:14,079
them and process

944
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,920
map revisions if required and go through the FEMA process

945
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,159
and so we just wanted

946
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,809
to clarify that in our design criteria something we've been

947
00:44:21,809 --> 00:44:22,559
doing for a long

948
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:26,019
time through DRC but it's never been described well in our

949
00:44:26,019 --> 00:44:28,880
design criteria.

950
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,900
Good evening everyone my name is Preetam Deshmukh I'm the

951
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:37,880
traffic engineer for

952
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,159
the city and I'll be talking about what happened with the

953
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:41,679
transportation

954
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:47,559
criteria manual we back when we came to this commission

955
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,480
before since then we met

956
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,980
with as Chad mentioned we met with the Dent Community

957
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:55,000
Development Alliance and

958
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,349
received approximately 37 comments during that period and

959
00:44:59,349 --> 00:45:00,360
majority of the

960
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,909
comments were more of clarification or you know some more

961
00:45:04,909 --> 00:45:06,639
information that was

962
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:10,050
missing in in the manual it wasn't clear enough and we've

963
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:11,400
responded to all the

964
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,869
comments there in the backup and the major changes related

965
00:45:15,869 --> 00:45:17,239
to truck turning

966
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,409
radiuses on driveways and where they would be applicable

967
00:45:21,409 --> 00:45:21,960
some of the

968
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,949
commercial driveways don't require them such as offices

969
00:45:24,949 --> 00:45:26,039
some of them require so

970
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,030
we have that discussion there were also some clarification

971
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:29,880
regarding parking

972
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,679
spaces the criteria manual had slightly different

973
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,719
notifications compared to the

974
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,800
development code and we clarified that when that type of

975
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,480
dimensions were

976
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,349
allowed additionally we explained more on driveway spacings

977
00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:49,159
there were some

978
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:53,530
information that was missing and I want to point out them

979
00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:54,760
the most important

980
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,530
comment was pre-development meeting there was a lot of

981
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:59,000
questions about when

982
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,039
do we find out when the traffic studies needed when do we

983
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:03,239
find out what kind of

984
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,500
impacts I'm gonna have when do we find out how much am I

985
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:08,000
responsible for so

986
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,239
definitely we've laid in notes and try to make it as clear

987
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,039
as possible that

988
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,809
when you get together during pre-development meetings we

989
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:18,559
talk about

990
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:22,269
what kind of plans you have and come up with the scoping

991
00:46:22,269 --> 00:46:23,760
for the traffic impact

992
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,750
analysis and there was some clarification about the round

993
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:27,239
about designs

994
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,750
these are our main comments and at this time we do

995
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:33,519
recommend good

996
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:37,320
commissioner Ellis thank you chair with regard to the

997
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,960
traffic impact analysis

998
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,210
and I did see your line in there about it being it should

999
00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:43,440
be scheduled at the

1000
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,429
same time as pre-development meeting which is great then

1001
00:46:46,429 --> 00:46:47,760
you added a point

1002
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,030
that I have a question about just for its clarity it talks

1003
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:54,599
about developments

1004
00:46:54,599 --> 00:47:02,940
that have are pending recently approved and it talks about

1005
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:04,440
that located

1006
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,590
adjacent to the site that we're gonna be talking about or

1007
00:47:07,590 --> 00:47:11,159
in close proximity do

1008
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,750
we want to define that better than mentioning in close

1009
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:14,800
proximity what does

1010
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:25,519
that even mean so what happens is that proximity is defined

1011
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,159
based on the type

1012
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,260
of project the size of project say for example there is a

1013
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:31,360
huge project coming

1014
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,400
in large development four or five hundred homes the the

1015
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,079
study area goes

1016
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,250
beyond a certain level so we look at larger circulation

1017
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:41,559
network we look at

1018
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:45,250
larger scope we look at more intersections that will be

1019
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:46,119
impacted and

1020
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,659
based on that now we define that that would be our area and

1021
00:47:49,659 --> 00:47:50,679
then we'll pick

1022
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:54,130
whatever is adjacent to the area so if we corner ourselves

1023
00:47:54,130 --> 00:47:55,079
saying within

1024
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,460
quarter mile or half mile it's not fair for smaller

1025
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:00,119
developments it's not fair

1026
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,690
for larger to that it's kind of a and I guess I understand

1027
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:04,800
where you're coming

1028
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,969
from but it this is a criteria manual for a developer to

1029
00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:09,840
look at this doesn't

1030
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,110
really say anything to them about what's expected about you

1031
00:48:14,110 --> 00:48:15,480
mean the way it reads

1032
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,820
is okay development plus recently approved or pending

1033
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:18,880
development which is

1034
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,590
not yet but construction located adjacent to the site and

1035
00:48:22,590 --> 00:48:23,360
or in close

1036
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,530
proximity it's just I mean you I guess it leaves you open

1037
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:28,440
to say anything to them

1038
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,130
so this is part of the comment that we tried to address

1039
00:48:33,130 --> 00:48:34,719
from from PNC I think

1040
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,260
PNC was worried that we were approving all these different

1041
00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:39,360
plants and all these

1042
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,989
different new land uses coming in play and what are we

1043
00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:44,039
doing as far as

1044
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:47,679
something that's already proved that may or may not happen

1045
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:48,880
but should be

1046
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,869
considered if for the next developer to come in because

1047
00:48:51,869 --> 00:48:53,000
that traffic will be

1048
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,760
added and no one's looking at that traffic so as part of

1049
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,960
addressing that

1050
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,440
particular issue is we came up with this requirement that

1051
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,880
once the developer

1052
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,429
comes in and discusses about the traffic study we as as a

1053
00:49:07,429 --> 00:49:09,320
city staff will look

1054
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,000
at other development that I'll work with planning to get

1055
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,159
other developments that

1056
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,989
have been recently approved and add that traffic to the

1057
00:49:15,989 --> 00:49:17,000
system so we're talking

1058
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,489
in terms of traffic to the system not necessarily the

1059
00:49:20,489 --> 00:49:21,880
development itself that

1060
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,269
all the other developments we don't care but the traffic

1061
00:49:24,269 --> 00:49:25,239
that's going to be on

1062
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,469
the network is considered as background traffic and then

1063
00:49:29,469 --> 00:49:30,460
the new project will

1064
00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:33,449
add more time yeah and I definitely understand the need for

1065
00:49:33,449 --> 00:49:34,360
it I just I

1066
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,400
don't like the way that it's written okay we can clarify a

1067
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,239
little bit more I

1068
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,139
just yeah close proximity just doesn't do anything for me I

1069
00:49:43,139 --> 00:49:44,360
mean it is that a

1070
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,679
quarter mile a mile say we can say within the approved

1071
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:52,400
study area within the

1072
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,239
decided study area yeah okay I'll read it a little bit more

1073
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,800
okay thank you okay

1074
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:05,690
change it any other questions so moving forward we

1075
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:09,400
recommend approval of these

1076
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,000
design criteria manuals both strong order design criteria

1077
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:13,599
manual and

1078
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,230
transportation design curriculum after final input from the

1079
00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:18,519
community and final

1080
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:21,039
revisions

1081
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,380
Commissioner Osello thank you chair just so I understand

1082
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:35,000
the recommendation

1083
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,980
process tonight there would be a motion for approval but

1084
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:40,760
there's still two steps

1085
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,530
to be done with public comment and final revisions so we

1086
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:44,639
would be approving a

1087
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,309
document that we would not see the final revisions to

1088
00:50:47,309 --> 00:50:48,480
before recommending

1089
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:48,480
approval of you will be recommending approval to council

1090
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,920
and council will be

1091
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,269
hosting a public meeting that's a public meeting there

1092
00:50:58,269 --> 00:50:59,679
could be comments at that

1093
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:04,079
point so it's that whole process where council is the final

1094
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:05,599
authority approving

1095
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,230
the final document but in this current form as it's

1096
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:10,360
addressed you're

1097
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,139
recommending approval I think understand that but when we

1098
00:51:15,139 --> 00:51:17,000
recommend approval it's

1099
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,360
possible for council not to get the same copy that we have

1100
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,760
since final revisions

1101
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,719
could still be added correct okay

1102
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,599
I'll have another question and kind of backtrack to

1103
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:35,679
Commissioner Ellis on the

1104
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:44,719
TIA and another city has got a requirement of a certain

1105
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,559
traffic study

1106
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,780
that they have to keep current if for some reason that's

1107
00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:51,000
not current and you

1108
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,449
have a project coming on at what point is it the

1109
00:51:54,449 --> 00:51:56,679
responsibility of developers

1110
00:51:56,679 --> 00:52:00,260
to go and fill in those gaps I think it should be kind of

1111
00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:01,719
Commissioner else's

1112
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,710
point is that there's a certain area that they should fill

1113
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:05,599
in and if the maps

1114
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:09,280
aren't current or there's information missing is there

1115
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:09,960
anything in this

1116
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,099
document that says if it's not current it's not the

1117
00:52:13,099 --> 00:52:14,760
developers responsibility

1118
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,050
to bring it and make it current the city brings it current

1119
00:52:18,050 --> 00:52:19,239
and then they do their

1120
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,960
certain area that makes sense yeah I think the city has its

1121
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,840
own traffic model

1122
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,309
that it's gonna keep up and current depending on whatever

1123
00:52:29,309 --> 00:52:30,320
planning approves

1124
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,690
moving forward whatever types of plan uses are approved so

1125
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:35,719
city will keep up

1126
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,719
keep the background traffic information the developer is

1127
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:39,880
only responsible for

1128
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,559
his piece and the city will provide the background

1129
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:44,119
information I know y'all are

1130
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:48,110
catching up a lot of that we are and then don't get too far

1131
00:52:48,110 --> 00:52:49,559
behind the layers

1132
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:53,420
of the onion but I know once it's caught up it shouldn't be

1133
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:54,719
an issue but if for

1134
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:00,940
some reason in the future it's not current there needs to

1135
00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:01,719
be something in

1136
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,889
there that it's not the private developers responsibility

1137
00:53:05,889 --> 00:53:06,639
to get that

1138
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,090
current if the city hasn't maintained it and kept it

1139
00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:10,679
current I think that should

1140
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:15,679
be the city's responsibility to do that not the developers

1141
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:16,440
like that but I I

1142
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,780
believe that's always been the case that's really it's not

1143
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:20,400
developers

1144
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,150
responsibility look keep everything current I agree with

1145
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:25,760
that and I'll just

1146
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,750
leave my comment and we'll leave it there Commissioner Beck

1147
00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:30,159
actually this a lot

1148
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,329
of this goes over my head but in relationship to

1149
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:33,519
Commissioner Ellis's

1150
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:38,280
and Chair strange these kind of details that are important

1151
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,480
granted would these

1152
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,760
not be the things you would discuss in the pre-development

1153
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,800
meeting you know

1154
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,789
when you want to narrow it down you're not going forward

1155
00:53:46,789 --> 00:53:47,599
until you have that

1156
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,340
meeting and at that meeting that close proximity would be

1157
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:52,400
defined then is that

1158
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,039
correct correct okay that's exactly what it is for okay

1159
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:58,440
thank you I guess I'd make

1160
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,989
a comment back Commissioner Beck it's not so much as

1161
00:54:00,989 --> 00:54:04,519
defined it's who defines it

1162
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:10,010
and I think it's if it's clearly written here it's a city

1163
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:11,480
traffic engineer and

1164
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,349
the city engineer both are responsible to define and

1165
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:17,400
identify and the developer

1166
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,570
would have no saying that no we will work with the

1167
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:23,679
developers okay yeah it's

1168
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:28,219
not that this document we were trying to become we've tried

1169
00:54:28,219 --> 00:54:28,960
to make it more

1170
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,190
flexible okay depending on the type of development so

1171
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:34,159
probably getting in on

1172
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:42,000
ultimately traffic engineer and city engineer decide a

1173
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,480
question that comes to

1174
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,719
mind on the pre-development meetings I'm glad to hear that

1175
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,440
some of the comments

1176
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,800
and some of the requirements will be handled in that is the

1177
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,159
pre-development

1178
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:59,150
meeting are there any changes going into that and that may

1179
00:54:59,150 --> 00:55:00,320
be outside this purview

1180
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,949
that there are written comments that come out of those are

1181
00:55:03,949 --> 00:55:05,079
those gonna be in

1182
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,840
writing that you have a pre-development meeting all these

1183
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,920
things are presented

1184
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,150
and then there's a written response from the city that you

1185
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:15,360
hand and say okay

1186
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,710
here's all the items and you meet these criteria and you

1187
00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:21,800
walk out because that

1188
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,860
necessarily hasn't been the case I think it's been more of

1189
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:29,639
a conversation and

1190
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:33,119
again I think this may be outside and getting a little bit

1191
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:34,239
deeper of just the

1192
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,699
transportation criteria manual but if it's going to be

1193
00:55:37,699 --> 00:55:38,880
comments that are

1194
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,050
binding is there a procedure that those come in writing

1195
00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:44,880
they can and we can

1196
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,590
include something like that and I could really add more to

1197
00:55:48,590 --> 00:55:50,159
that one of the

1198
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:53,969
changes we're looking at doing is as part of a really

1199
00:55:53,969 --> 00:55:54,920
calling it a

1200
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,820
pre-application meeting okay making sure though looking at

1201
00:55:59,820 --> 00:56:00,599
we don't want to we

1202
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,960
don't want to blur the lines with respect to vesting but we

1203
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,599
do want to

1204
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:11,760
give what I was calling a determination of of review and

1205
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,239
basically what that

1206
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,559
would what that means is after that meeting you'll get a

1207
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:17,719
letter basically

1208
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,710
outlining all of the specific requirements you need to do a

1209
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:22,480
TIA your

1210
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,840
traffic shed is within a half mile plus you know whatever

1211
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,719
that way when when an

1212
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,090
applicant comes and submits their application they're not

1213
00:56:31,090 --> 00:56:31,559
shuffling

1214
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:36,159
through a multitude of checklists that that determination

1215
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:37,679
of review is really

1216
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,670
your checklist so if that's if you've submitted everything

1217
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:41,599
on that list your

1218
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,630
application would be deemed complete and then start the

1219
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:44,840
review process but these

1220
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:50,719
are things that we're working on in the process okay I'll

1221
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,239
say maybe we'll talk

1222
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,590
later I have to say everybody's spare the Jim strange brain

1223
00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:58,119
damage so any

1224
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:04,369
other comments for our questions for pre temp thank you

1225
00:57:04,369 --> 00:57:06,360
guys I appreciate you

1226
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:11,019
okay I think that takes care of all the items that we have

1227
00:57:11,019 --> 00:57:12,239
on work session

1228
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,409
anybody have anything else before close we'll close our

1229
00:57:16,409 --> 00:57:18,159
work session at six

1230
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:22,400
o'clock and we will reconvene in council chambers at 630

1231
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,559
for those that were

1232
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:27,719
asking questions earlier about

1233
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,829
good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and

1234
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:35,079
zoning commission

1235
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:40,079
meeting for March 7 2018 this meeting has been duly posted

1236
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:40,800
and we do have a

1237
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,369
quorum present and I'll call us to order at 635 our first

1238
00:57:45,369 --> 00:57:46,599
order of business will

1239
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:51,000
be to stand and give the pledge the US and the Texas flag

1240
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:17,730
honor the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the Texas one

1241
00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:19,519
state under God one

1242
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,519
and indivisible

1243
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:40,889
the next item on our agenda will be to consider the minutes

1244
00:58:40,889 --> 00:58:42,480
for February 21st

1245
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,650
Commissioner Smith motion to approve Commissioner Ellis

1246
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:48,480
second okay any

1247
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:54,880
comments seeing none will call for a vote on the board

1248
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:06,449
okay motion to approve carry six to zero will take us to

1249
00:59:06,449 --> 00:59:08,800
our consent agenda

1250
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,559
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I move to approve our

1251
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:13,639
item in the consent

1252
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:17,809
agenda okay Commissioner Smith I second okay we have a

1253
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:19,039
first and a second for

1254
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:25,039
approval any discussion seeing none call for a vote on the

1255
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,239
board

1256
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:36,539
the motion carries six to zero we'll move us to item four

1257
00:59:36,539 --> 00:59:38,800
our items for

1258
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,880
individual consideration I will call on Chad Allen for

1259
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,480
presentation on PZ 18 -

1260
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:55,510
049 good evening chair commissioners I'm Chad Allen deputy

1261
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:57,840
city engineer in

1262
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,159
charge of capital project delivery and tonight I and pre-t

1263
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:02,079
am our traffic

1264
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,750
engineer will discuss the drainage and transportation

1265
01:00:04,750 --> 01:00:05,960
design criteria manuals

1266
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,659
update for a presentation tonight we're going to focus on

1267
01:00:08,659 --> 01:00:09,599
the changes that have

1268
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,780
been made to the manuals because of public comment and PNC

1269
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:14,119
feedback since the

1270
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,579
last presentation to the planning and zoning Commission and

1271
01:00:16,579 --> 01:00:17,320
that happened on

1272
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:22,300
January 24th so we're asking you to provide any comments or

1273
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:23,280
accept comments

1274
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,820
from the public and then hopefully to recommend approval of

1275
01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:27,440
the design

1276
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,739
criteria manuals to City Council during this meeting and

1277
01:00:29,739 --> 01:00:30,559
the manuals we're

1278
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,880
talking about are the drainage design criteria manual and

1279
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,800
the transportation

1280
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,969
design criteria manual so this is what's happened since the

1281
01:00:37,969 --> 01:00:39,719
last time we discussed

1282
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:43,480
this with PNC we our last PNC meeting was on January 24th

1283
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,519
at that time we were

1284
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:48,150
going through a 30-day public comment period in early

1285
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:49,639
February we also met

1286
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,889
with a development community about both manuals we met with

1287
01:00:52,889 --> 01:00:54,239
them on February 6th

1288
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:56,820
about the drainage design criteria manual and on February

1289
01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:57,719
13th about the

1290
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,710
transportation design criteria manual and specifically when

1291
01:01:00,710 --> 01:01:01,360
we met with the

1292
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,679
Denton Community Development Alliance during both of those

1293
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:05,559
meetings and we

1294
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,550
received a lot of feedback from them about the manuals

1295
01:01:08,550 --> 01:01:09,679
after that we've

1296
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:12,449
incorporated a lot of their comments into the manuals and

1297
01:01:12,449 --> 01:01:13,360
or we revised the

1298
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,030
drafts of the manuals by March 1st and then we started

1299
01:01:16,030 --> 01:01:17,199
another public comment

1300
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:21,030
period a seven-day public comment period yesterday on March

1301
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:22,239
6th tonight we're

1302
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,369
presenting for your consideration and approval hopefully

1303
01:01:25,369 --> 01:01:26,880
and then after the

1304
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,059
public comment period is over on March 13th we anticipate

1305
01:01:30,059 --> 01:01:30,960
to have the final

1306
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,420
draft completed by March 15th and we're currently scheduled

1307
01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:35,199
to go to council

1308
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:39,219
for a public hearing on March 20th to talk about the manual

1309
01:01:39,219 --> 01:01:40,119
s after that a

1310
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,159
couple days later we hope to publish the final updates and

1311
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:44,320
update and upload the

1312
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,309
manuals to the website and then start to send them out to

1313
01:01:47,309 --> 01:01:48,239
the development

1314
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,869
community for use we're just talking about the changes

1315
01:01:51,869 --> 01:01:53,119
since the last PNZ

1316
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:56,219
meeting these are the major changes that happen a lot of

1317
01:01:56,219 --> 01:01:57,159
most of these are for

1318
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,469
public comment and then we also received feedback from PNZ

1319
01:02:00,469 --> 01:02:02,480
on the 24th about the

1320
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,050
drainage manual we received 53 comments mostly from the

1321
01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:06,920
Denton Community

1322
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,550
Development Alliance and we provided responses to all of

1323
01:02:09,550 --> 01:02:10,400
those comments in

1324
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,579
your backup some of the major changes we made were we tried

1325
01:02:14,579 --> 01:02:16,159
to clarify the fence

1326
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:18,889
policy basically we are asking that no new fences are

1327
01:02:18,889 --> 01:02:19,920
placed in drainage

1328
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,469
easements or in flood plains unless an exception is

1329
01:02:23,469 --> 01:02:25,119
provided in the design

1330
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,880
criteria manual and basically that exception is if there's

1331
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:29,000
a direct if

1332
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,000
there's a drainage easement and in that drainage easement

1333
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,519
there's a 100-year

1334
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:35,840
storm designed full capacity underground storm drain system

1335
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:36,559
located in that

1336
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,230
easement then any non-Masonry fence would be allowed to

1337
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:41,159
cross that easement

1338
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:44,800
as long as it has knockout panels three other things we've

1339
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,800
added are are

1340
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,079
basically items that we've been implementing as part of the

1341
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:49,599
development

1342
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,179
process for a long time but they've just never been clearly

1343
01:02:52,179 --> 01:02:53,000
described in the

1344
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,659
development code or the design criteria manual so we're

1345
01:02:55,659 --> 01:02:56,719
trying to get those in

1346
01:02:56,719 --> 01:03:00,260
right now as part of the update first one is a limit of the

1347
01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:01,199
discharge from

1348
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:06,110
newly developed sites of stormwater of 3 CFS or less if it

1349
01:03:06,110 --> 01:03:08,000
's greater than 3 CFS

1350
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,840
or less than 300 cubic feet per second then we're asking

1351
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:11,760
for it to be placed in

1352
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,230
an underground storm drain system again this is something

1353
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:15,320
we currently implement

1354
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,780
through DRC but it wasn't really described well in our

1355
01:03:18,780 --> 01:03:19,840
design criteria

1356
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,260
manual the second one is about flumes and easements that

1357
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:23,840
are associated with

1358
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,159
positive overflow areas these are areas at inlets that are

1359
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:28,480
located in low points

1360
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,469
of streets and we have been asking as part of the DRC

1361
01:03:31,469 --> 01:03:32,679
process and we have been

1362
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:35,670
implementing that developers provide a concrete flume and

1363
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:36,639
an easement in these

1364
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:40,809
overflow areas so that stormwater can if the inlet is clog

1365
01:03:40,809 --> 01:03:41,599
ged storm water can

1366
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:44,590
flowing along a certain path to an acceptable outfall

1367
01:03:44,590 --> 01:03:45,559
location so again

1368
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:47,809
we've been implementing this and now we're just trying to

1369
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:48,440
get it into the

1370
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,610
design criteria and then finally we're adding the fact that

1371
01:03:52,610 --> 01:03:54,079
FEMA shaded zone X

1372
01:03:54,079 --> 01:04:01,750
areas on firm panels are required to be possibly FEMA map

1373
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:02,320
provisions are

1374
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,469
required if developers want to reclaim those areas or

1375
01:04:05,469 --> 01:04:06,880
reclaim the floodplain

1376
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,760
associated with the FEMA shaded zone X areas and there's a

1377
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:11,119
couple different

1378
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,489
shaded zone X areas on the firm panels there's those that

1379
01:04:13,489 --> 01:04:14,440
are associated with

1380
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,039
the 500 year storm event and we don't regulate those and

1381
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:17,960
then there are those

1382
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,119
that are associated with minor watersheds that are less

1383
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:21,920
than one square

1384
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,909
mile and we treat those just as any other floodplain

1385
01:04:24,909 --> 01:04:25,920
developers are asked to

1386
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,090
stay out of them or provide a study and provide BF identify

1387
01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:31,800
BF ease and then put

1388
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,440
them in easements and perform map revisions if necessary so

1389
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,079
again we've

1390
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,179
been doing that for a long time in the DRC process and we

1391
01:04:39,179 --> 01:04:40,760
're trying to now put

1392
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,030
it into the develop the design criteria free time is going

1393
01:04:44,030 --> 01:04:45,320
to come up and talk

1394
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:52,449
about the drainage criteria manual changes now good evening

1395
01:04:52,449 --> 01:04:54,880
my name is free

1396
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,880
time - look I'm the traffic engineer for the city of Denton

1397
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:58,760
chair

1398
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:04,750
commissioners a little bit of I wanted to clarify the what

1399
01:05:04,750 --> 01:05:05,920
Chad missed on the

1400
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,730
last one and drainage criteria the definition for the I

1401
01:05:09,730 --> 01:05:10,599
swim will be

1402
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:14,000
included in the drainage new criteria manual that was one

1403
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:14,920
of the comments from

1404
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,389
the commissioners I just wanted to make it on the record I

1405
01:05:17,389 --> 01:05:19,079
'll move on talk about

1406
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:22,980
transportation criteria manual here we received about 37

1407
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:24,519
comments and primarily

1408
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:28,690
came from Denton Community Development Alliance and we've

1409
01:05:28,690 --> 01:05:31,039
responded or provided

1410
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:35,210
a response to all of the comments in the backup majority of

1411
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:36,440
comments needed

1412
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,619
clarification more information was needed and footnotes and

1413
01:05:40,619 --> 01:05:41,719
stuff like that

1414
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:46,110
the major ones that we focused on and they're listed here

1415
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:47,599
are truck turning

1416
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,079
radiuses that may or may not be required for commercial

1417
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:51,800
driveways

1418
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,969
clarification on parking spaces the part this dimension of

1419
01:05:55,969 --> 01:05:57,280
the parking spaces

1420
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,079
were slightly different from the development code what's

1421
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:02,159
included in the

1422
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:06,659
current development code so that was clarified we added

1423
01:06:06,659 --> 01:06:07,480
more information

1424
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,829
about driveway spacing that provided a clear understanding

1425
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:12,760
of what was required

1426
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,320
from from develop developers that came in and then last but

1427
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,159
not least which is

1428
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:22,329
the most important thing that we did is things were better

1429
01:06:22,329 --> 01:06:23,280
defined in the

1430
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,829
pre-development meeting I don't think that was clarified in

1431
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:26,519
the previous

1432
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:29,510
version of the transportation criteria manual but there

1433
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:30,239
will be a pre-development

1434
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:33,980
meeting where the developers would find out what they're

1435
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:35,920
required to do so those

1436
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:41,789
are the things that were changed and based on that we at

1437
01:06:41,789 --> 01:06:43,920
this point recommend

1438
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,179
the commissioners to or the Commission to approve and and

1439
01:06:48,179 --> 01:06:49,599
recommend approval

1440
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:54,840
the two criteria manuals I just wanted to last note notify

1441
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:55,719
that they were

1442
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:59,360
currently the public comment period which means we will

1443
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,360
still continue to

1444
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,050
receive public comments and and then we have a public

1445
01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:05,800
meeting and I mentioned

1446
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:14,369
earlier on March 20th with City Council thank you I have a

1447
01:07:14,369 --> 01:07:16,400
comment I'm gonna

1448
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,750
tell you guys I think you've done a great job with your

1449
01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:20,519
presentation I know

1450
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:23,510
you all have heard me number of times asked when we're

1451
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:24,840
going to do ordinance

1452
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,900
or criteria manual updates to get the stakeholders of

1453
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:29,079
people that have to

1454
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:32,519
comply with all these to sit down go over them try to work

1455
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:33,440
out as many of

1456
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,219
those things beforehand before we get an ordinance I think

1457
01:07:36,219 --> 01:07:37,039
you guys have done a

1458
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,809
great job I think that's the way it should be and I want to

1459
01:07:39,809 --> 01:07:41,039
just as good as

1460
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,280
I give and take give you guys congratulations because I do

1461
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:44,920
think you

1462
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,940
all have done a good job of going out in the community to

1463
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:50,599
get input and listen to

1464
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:53,960
it and then incorporate in there so thank you all for doing

1465
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,920
that and I think

1466
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,159
that's a good role for us to continue to look at and do in

1467
01:07:58,159 --> 01:07:59,719
the future so good

1468
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:09,400
job anybody else thank you for your presentation thank you

1469
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:19,659
so that's our presentation on our individual consideration

1470
01:08:19,659 --> 01:08:20,680
item floor will

1471
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,800
be open for motion or discussion

1472
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:31,689
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair thank you guys for for

1473
01:08:31,689 --> 01:08:32,520
your presentation and

1474
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,069
your hard work on this and in dealing with comment and

1475
01:08:36,069 --> 01:08:38,039
explanation I'm gonna

1476
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:42,680
move that we approve this and move this forward to council

1477
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:43,560
for a full

1478
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:49,430
presentation there and hopefully approval Commissioner back

1479
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:50,880
I think that

1480
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,010
motion again with the understanding this is going to move

1481
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:54,079
on to the City Council

1482
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:57,359
and public hearing is still part of the process but yes I

1483
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,880
second okay we have a

1484
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,279
motion to approve in a second and I will add just a

1485
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,239
clarification that the public

1486
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:08,229
comment section is still open so people that do want to

1487
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:09,079
make comments or

1488
01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:13,250
suggestions you're still able to do so and is there a final

1489
01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:14,439
cutoff date for

1490
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,039
that that people need to be aware of

1491
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,119
13th March 13th okay so get your comments in the next week

1492
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:27,520
thank you all

1493
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:33,640
with that is there any other discussion or comments okay

1494
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,239
call for a vote on the

1495
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:37,399
board

1496
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:50,539
and motion carries six to zero that will move us to our

1497
01:09:50,539 --> 01:09:52,920
public hearings section

1498
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:59,090
see me this time I'm going to open the public hearing for Z

1499
01:09:59,090 --> 01:10:02,640
17 - 0 0 2 9 and

1500
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,199
Cindy Jackson will present that item thank you

1501
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,439
Commission chair

1502
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:40,069
I'm sorry I'm gonna have to find my presentation in here

1503
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:45,920
somewhere

1504
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:07,319
okay thank you for waiting okay this is Z 17 - 0 0 2 9 is a

1505
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:09,399
request to rezone

1506
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:14,380
approximately 1.7 acres from neighborhood residential and

1507
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:15,680
our to to

1508
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,579
just to employment center commercial ECC district the site

1509
01:11:20,579 --> 01:11:21,560
is located on the

1510
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:26,909
south side of University approximately 820 feet west of the

1511
01:11:26,909 --> 01:11:27,680
intersection of

1512
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:33,090
West University and Thomas J Egan here you can see the

1513
01:11:33,090 --> 01:11:34,800
zoning map as it is

1514
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,079
currently on the top and this is what the zoning map will

1515
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:39,439
look like should

1516
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:45,369
this request be approved with regards to compliance with

1517
01:11:45,369 --> 01:11:47,500
the Denton plan the site

1518
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:52,640
is designated as rural areas on the future land use plan

1519
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,239
rural areas permit

1520
01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:01,909
such uses as farms ranches very low density residential

1521
01:12:01,909 --> 01:12:03,439
approximately on

1522
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,789
approximately five acre lots and rural commercial uses the

1523
01:12:07,789 --> 01:12:09,119
request does not

1524
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:16,369
conform to the this designation of rural areas we believe

1525
01:12:16,369 --> 01:12:18,239
that it was one of the

1526
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,800
reasons it was designated as rural areas at the time that

1527
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:21,960
the comprehensive plan

1528
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,609
was written is because of the fact that it's fairly unde

1529
01:12:26,609 --> 01:12:28,520
veloped and agricultural

1530
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,869
uses in this area and the University was still just a two-

1531
01:12:32,869 --> 01:12:34,159
lane road at that time

1532
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:38,840
since the comp plan has been written the University has

1533
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,760
been built to its full

1534
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:48,840
capacity as a six lane divided arterial when a request does

1535
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,680
not conform to the

1536
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,689
future land use map the Denton Development Code gives

1537
01:12:54,689 --> 01:12:55,279
additional

1538
01:12:55,279 --> 01:13:00,359
criteria which we have to analyze the request with the

1539
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:02,239
criteria are intended

1540
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:04,590
to balance the competing interests of the public health

1541
01:13:04,590 --> 01:13:05,359
safety morals and

1542
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:08,529
general welfare against the right to use to the use of the

1543
01:13:08,529 --> 01:13:10,119
property and include

1544
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,109
things such as existing land use pattern the creation of an

1545
01:13:13,109 --> 01:13:13,920
isolated zoning

1546
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,380
district adequate infrastructure environmental impacts in

1547
01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:18,039
the character of

1548
01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:23,909
the district a full discussion of these criteria are in

1549
01:13:23,909 --> 01:13:25,840
your backup but I will

1550
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,399
give an abbreviated version to you due to the size shape

1551
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:32,039
and location of the

1552
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:36,680
site along West University as well as the proximity to gas

1553
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,840
well sites this this

1554
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:44,720
site is unlikely to develop as a single-family house

1555
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,239
commercial uses are

1556
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:50,199
more appropriate along primary primary arterials West

1557
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:51,880
University will provide

1558
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,800
adequate visibility and access for commercial use the ECC

1559
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:57,600
districts are

1560
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,600
typically found near employment centers and in corporate

1561
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,039
office and business

1562
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:07,760
workplaces with supporting secondary uses and development

1563
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,600
will comply with all

1564
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,770
ESA tree preservation buffer screening tree canopy lighting

1565
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:15,199
requirements all

1566
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:19,930
all standards of the DDC that are applicable the

1567
01:14:19,930 --> 01:14:21,840
infrastructure needs will

1568
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:27,720
be accessed at the time of plotting and site plan this map

1569
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,960
shows the location of

1570
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,409
the gas well plots in relation to the subject site the

1571
01:14:34,409 --> 01:14:36,319
subject site is right

1572
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:39,409
here designated by the star and as you can see from the

1573
01:14:39,409 --> 01:14:40,699
city limits all the way

1574
01:14:40,699 --> 01:14:43,689
to Mosh branch there are really just this site and two

1575
01:14:43,689 --> 01:14:44,760
others that are not

1576
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:49,109
encumbered by a gas well plot and of course what goes along

1577
01:14:49,109 --> 01:14:49,960
with gas well

1578
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,659
plots are gas wells and there is a preponderance of gas

1579
01:14:52,659 --> 01:14:53,560
wells in the area

1580
01:14:53,560 --> 01:15:00,479
which staff fields will prevent the area from the site from

1581
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:01,239
developing as a

1582
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:08,119
single-family residential site access and mobility the site

1583
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:09,659
has 1,234 linear

1584
01:15:09,659 --> 01:15:13,199
feet of frontage along West University and is a significant

1585
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:14,680
retail cord as

1586
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:20,560
excuse me regional corridor it was recently as I mentioned

1587
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:21,520
constructed to

1588
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,539
its full capacity so it is now a primary arterial with six

1589
01:15:24,539 --> 01:15:27,520
lanes and divided

1590
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,840
public notifications went out for this site for this site

1591
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,680
on February 15th we

1592
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:38,800
sent certified mail to two property owners and we sent

1593
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,439
courtesy notices to

1594
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,199
the same two property owners due to the the large size of

1595
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:44,279
the land holdings in

1596
01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:50,439
this area that that covered the whole area we received one

1597
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:51,760
response in

1598
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,689
opposition and that that response comprises 49% of the land

1599
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:57,640
area within the

1600
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,810
200 foot buffer because of that this will have to be

1601
01:16:01,810 --> 01:16:03,279
approved by the City

1602
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:08,069
Council with the super majority vote staff recommends

1603
01:16:08,069 --> 01:16:09,359
approval of this

1604
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:13,140
request well the request is technically inconsistent with

1605
01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:13,880
the future land use

1606
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,050
map it is consistent with the overall goals of the Denton

1607
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:19,720
plan 2030 and it

1608
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,680
conforms to the criteria for approval as outlined in the in

1609
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,239
the DDC that

1610
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:28,399
concludes my presentation I'll stand for any questions and

1611
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:29,319
the applicant is

1612
01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:33,189
present as well if you have any questions for him any

1613
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:34,840
questions for staff

1614
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,199
Commissioner Beck I am curious Cindy and thanks for your

1615
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,119
presentation how this

1616
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:44,359
little slice got separated from anything else can you give

1617
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:45,760
us any background well

1618
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,979
I wasn't able to find out why okay the only the only thing

1619
01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:50,000
we can figure out

1620
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,029
is that the former property owner of this site just did not

1621
01:16:55,029 --> 01:16:55,920
want to have to

1622
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,899
be involved with with the gas wells okay so it was never a

1623
01:16:59,899 --> 01:17:01,239
part of the property

1624
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:05,239
that surrounds it okay thank you

1625
01:17:07,279 --> 01:17:12,520
I see other questions thank you Cindy do you have one card

1626
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,039
wishing to speak

1627
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:21,159
Victor Ena at 1222 Golden Hoof Drive

1628
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,819
please go ahead and give us your name and address and and

1629
01:17:27,819 --> 01:17:30,239
then your time will

1630
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:35,699
start sir yes Victor Ena like you stated earlier that's my

1631
01:17:35,699 --> 01:17:36,680
address that's my

1632
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,600
residence thank you councilman chairman councilman the last

1633
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:42,840
time I was here was

1634
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:49,460
during fracking debacle and this location in dispute

1635
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:50,640
happens to be

1636
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:55,319
approximately close to the same vicinity and I spoke to

1637
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:59,960
this chamber and a little

1638
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:04,189
altercation took place between the former mayor and myself

1639
01:18:04,189 --> 01:18:05,039
because I have

1640
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:09,210
written I wrote him with my concerns and he never returned

1641
01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:10,520
my calls say I have

1642
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,689
senators and congressmen wrote and called me back the fr

1643
01:18:14,689 --> 01:18:16,720
acking went on even

1644
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,189
though I complained here they were allowed to do the fr

1645
01:18:20,189 --> 01:18:21,880
acking every day

1646
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,680
non-stop the ordinance stated that they should stop fr

1647
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,239
acking at 7 p.m. and not

1648
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:32,119
no construction on Sundays but they were allowed my

1649
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:34,880
complaints were disregarded

1650
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:41,739
now we are talking about this zoning change I talked to a

1651
01:18:41,739 --> 01:18:43,000
friend of mine at

1652
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,840
work who happens to be Caucasian now with this issue and he

1653
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,600
told me that I'll I

1654
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:57,039
better have my wife speak because I wasn't born here I've

1655
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:57,399
been in this

1656
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:01,880
country 35 years married 32 years have four kids two of

1657
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:02,800
them have master's

1658
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,439
degrees and two of them will get masters in two months from

1659
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,439
now I didn't think my

1660
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,920
wife needed to speak on my behalf I had a little degree

1661
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:19,340
myself the word my

1662
01:19:19,340 --> 01:19:23,510
complaint earlier was was handled reminded me a little bit

1663
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:24,920
about a country

1664
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:30,060
I left 35 years ago where people people's opinions doesn't

1665
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:31,539
count I know

1666
01:19:31,539 --> 01:19:37,949
this the issue was then put on ballot and then citizens

1667
01:19:37,949 --> 01:19:40,079
opposed it even though

1668
01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:44,970
they are congress in Austin over a rule here now with this

1669
01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:46,920
zoning change in

1670
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,930
question I believe this will change my property value there

1671
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:53,380
will be higher taxes

1672
01:19:53,380 --> 01:20:04,479
involved as well as crime and noise so in my humble opinion

1673
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:05,800
I strongly

1674
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:12,420
disapprove of this I live on a five-acre ranch it's good on

1675
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:13,399
who Frank check I

1676
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:20,789
have livestock as well so this will impact my residents a

1677
01:20:20,789 --> 01:20:23,239
great deal so hope

1678
01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:28,159
that the council will put this into consideration thank you

1679
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:29,640
very much some

1680
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,640
questions for you just a clarification yes are you the

1681
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:34,699
applicant are you an

1682
01:20:34,699 --> 01:20:40,319
adjacent property owner adjacent adjacent yes and it's less

1683
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:41,279
than 500 feet

1684
01:20:41,279 --> 01:20:46,800
about I miss understand I miss understood but I thought you

1685
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:47,039
were the

1686
01:20:47,039 --> 01:20:51,279
applicant and I was puzzled with your comments so I click

1687
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:53,439
clear clears up the

1688
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,569
you're an adjacent property owner yes thank you appreciate

1689
01:20:56,569 --> 01:20:57,520
you coming out this

1690
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,510
evening and do you have another question for you yes like

1691
01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:01,960
Commissioner Smith you

1692
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,319
say you're you're just the east or the west of the property

1693
01:21:07,319 --> 01:21:10,539
on the side of you gotta gotta gotta so specifically you're

1694
01:21:10,539 --> 01:21:11,479
worried that this

1695
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:18,279
zoning is going to increase fracking activity or what's the

1696
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:18,760
noise level

1697
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,760
okay

1698
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,920
this is all my property right here okay yes go for the

1699
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,560
questions thank you sure

1700
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:44,250
thank you sir for coming out this evening this is a public

1701
01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:45,800
hearing anyone

1702
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,000
else who would like to Commissioner back I'm sorry sir

1703
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,319
Victor could you come back

1704
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:55,220
down I'm sorry I didn't didn't get my name up quick enough

1705
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:57,020
first off

1706
01:21:57,020 --> 01:22:01,369
appreciate you coming down and speaking and congratulations

1707
01:22:01,369 --> 01:22:02,720
on four kids getting

1708
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:07,359
master's degree yes very good glad to have you here your

1709
01:22:07,359 --> 01:22:08,279
concern for noise

1710
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:11,050
though now you sit back from where you pointed you sit back

1711
01:22:11,050 --> 01:22:11,960
pretty far off the

1712
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,829
highway this is a small strip of land I'm not sure and

1713
01:22:15,829 --> 01:22:16,939
maybe hopefully we'll

1714
01:22:16,939 --> 01:22:19,399
get the applicant down here kind of give us an idea of what

1715
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:21,039
's going on there but

1716
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:24,449
what runs through your mind with this so much things what

1717
01:22:24,449 --> 01:22:25,640
do you think is going

1718
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,840
to be there to create the problems you're concerned about

1719
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,119
well the way I

1720
01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:35,659
see it it's like you give somebody an inch they want a fee

1721
01:22:35,659 --> 01:22:36,619
you give me a fee

1722
01:22:36,619 --> 01:22:41,640
they want a yard so this is approved who's to say that down

1723
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,039
the road since

1724
01:22:43,039 --> 01:22:47,949
one commercial business is already approved who's to say

1725
01:22:47,949 --> 01:22:48,640
that the rest of

1726
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,319
the property understood understood and I do understand that

1727
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:54,000
but if you we look at

1728
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,350
the Syrian is Cindy pointed out because of all the gas

1729
01:22:58,350 --> 01:23:00,479
wells there and trust me

1730
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,350
I empathize with your concern over fracking but now that

1731
01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:06,439
they're there this

1732
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,430
isn't going to be a logical place on this side of the

1733
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:11,000
highway it's not going

1734
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,640
to be appealing to developers for single-family residential

1735
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,359
and it seems

1736
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:20,520
right now to me at least that this would be a likely zone

1737
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,319
change and perhaps all

1738
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:25,560
along that way again understand the concern for noise

1739
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:26,399
everything like that

1740
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:29,890
but they've widened 380 now it's a six lane highway as

1741
01:23:29,890 --> 01:23:30,680
opposed to when you

1742
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,909
probably first moved there when it was so I think that's

1743
01:23:33,909 --> 01:23:34,760
going to be an

1744
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:40,630
inevitable faith of this area so I you know I don't get me

1745
01:23:40,630 --> 01:23:41,319
wrong I'm not

1746
01:23:41,319 --> 01:23:44,079
unsympathetic towards your concerns there but I think there

1747
01:23:44,079 --> 01:23:44,800
's ways that we

1748
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,760
control that as each item comes through here we reevaluate

1749
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,239
it before it goes in

1750
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:53,229
and make sure it isn't going to be so disruptive to the

1751
01:23:53,229 --> 01:23:54,319
surrounding area so I

1752
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:58,489
wanted at least you know share that with you now will I get

1753
01:23:58,489 --> 01:24:00,720
a guarantee that my

1754
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:06,590
property tax will not go up not for me I'm not in that

1755
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:08,079
position to do that but

1756
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:12,500
what would make you think that it would increase property

1757
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:15,960
taxes okay thank you

1758
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,939
thank you for coming out this evening again this is a

1759
01:24:19,939 --> 01:24:21,840
public hearing anyone

1760
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,550
who would like to speak on this item please come forward at

1761
01:24:25,550 --> 01:24:26,239
this time

1762
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,529
seeing none will close the public hearing and open the

1763
01:24:30,529 --> 01:24:31,920
floor for discussion

1764
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,579
or motion Commissioner Beck I would like the applicants

1765
01:24:35,579 --> 01:24:36,720
here if you come down I

1766
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:44,789
kind of you have a question if you will give your name and

1767
01:24:44,789 --> 01:24:46,359
address force

1768
01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:49,720
please sir my name is dr. Leshacker I live at Lake Iowa

1769
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,159
Texas which is in a

1770
01:24:51,159 --> 01:24:56,810
part of Gainesville Cook County thank you dr. Shacker yes

1771
01:24:56,810 --> 01:24:57,520
okay thank you for

1772
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:02,239
coming down the one opposition letter we got was from the

1773
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:03,279
property owner that

1774
01:25:03,279 --> 01:25:08,520
surrounds this piece a miss Nadra Mitchell and she said she

1775
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,000
couldn't be

1776
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,600
here tonight but she's concerned that this is an area that

1777
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:14,159
's surrounded by

1778
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:19,989
wheat fields can if she's watching or she can review this

1779
01:25:19,989 --> 01:25:21,319
video later what

1780
01:25:21,319 --> 01:25:23,609
could you convey to her that this is not going to be

1781
01:25:23,609 --> 01:25:24,800
disruptive to her wheat

1782
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,789
fields I mean is there something to share with us that

1783
01:25:27,789 --> 01:25:29,020
would let us know that the

1784
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:32,189
type of developments you're going to do is absolutely well

1785
01:25:32,189 --> 01:25:33,319
let me just give you a

1786
01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:36,810
little history what happened here many years ago I wanted

1787
01:25:36,810 --> 01:25:37,920
to build a clinic

1788
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:44,100
here in Denton and it was very difficult to find adequate

1789
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:45,880
medical space here in

1790
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,270
that and I found this piece of property was going to put up

1791
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:49,119
my medical clinic

1792
01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:53,890
when fortunately I found a nice building right on I-35 and

1793
01:25:53,890 --> 01:25:55,000
I was left with this

1794
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,770
this piece of property and I've been trying to sell it and

1795
01:25:58,770 --> 01:25:59,720
then you had a

1796
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:05,229
zone change in the early 2000s which made it in our two and

1797
01:26:05,229 --> 01:26:06,439
they came in with

1798
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,770
all of these gas wells and of course nobody's going to

1799
01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:11,439
build a household near

1800
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,430
an NR to zone that's clear because I've had it up for sale

1801
01:26:14,430 --> 01:26:15,520
for I don't know how

1802
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,149
many over the last five years we've had a number of

1803
01:26:19,149 --> 01:26:21,520
requests for ECC now we just

1804
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,390
have ECC all over the place just east of us and just as

1805
01:26:25,390 --> 01:26:26,760
another word of history

1806
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,840
in United States I don't know why you can hear I'm from I'm

1807
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,720
from the south

1808
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,789
I'm from southern Staten Island New York but I've been here

1809
01:26:33,789 --> 01:26:35,520
40 years you see but

1810
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,800
your accent doesn't change excuse me for my fiction but

1811
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,399
anyway it turns out if

1812
01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:46,199
you really do a history all property in the United States

1813
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:47,600
grows north and then

1814
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,439
grows west why that happens nobody knows if there's a

1815
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:52,479
boundary of course that

1816
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,119
might offset that but if you look it up that's the history

1817
01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:57,520
now I'm not here to

1818
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:03,390
cause chaos for anybody the Mitchell's included but it

1819
01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:04,960
turns out when people

1820
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,899
put a gas well that diminishes my property my ability to

1821
01:27:08,899 --> 01:27:10,159
sell it in fact I

1822
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:16,039
can't even sell it and under the ECC I'm not gonna feel

1823
01:27:16,039 --> 01:27:17,079
interfere with their

1824
01:27:17,079 --> 01:27:20,539
their wheat cutting that's not my intention if there's a

1825
01:27:20,539 --> 01:27:21,399
beautiful nice

1826
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:26,010
building now the only salient value of this property is the

1827
01:27:26,010 --> 01:27:28,840
1234 feet linear

1828
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,159
feet on a highway so people can come in and go out very

1829
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,560
very easily so that had

1830
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,550
to turn down a number of office so of course it's not in my

1831
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:38,600
benefit it's not

1832
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,420
an account he's benefit the city's benefit you're not going

1833
01:27:41,420 --> 01:27:42,119
to get any more

1834
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:46,560
taxes it's just going to be useless land and as you know in

1835
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,239
this country we want

1836
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:53,699
land to be used and in fact a person can come literally sit

1837
01:27:53,699 --> 01:27:54,720
on your land if they

1838
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,710
meet the criteria they can become an adverse possessor and

1839
01:27:57,710 --> 01:27:58,520
actually literally

1840
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:02,189
take over theoretically steal your land legally in this

1841
01:28:02,189 --> 01:28:03,560
country so it's showing

1842
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,460
you that the the fathers had very good thought we want land

1843
01:28:07,460 --> 01:28:09,079
to be used I want

1844
01:28:09,079 --> 01:28:12,439
the land to be used I don't want to disrupt the Mitchell's

1845
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:13,159
in any which way

1846
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:15,739
I'm not interfering with the gas wells I wasn't here to

1847
01:28:15,739 --> 01:28:17,000
protest their gas wells

1848
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:22,829
I'm not here to protest their wheat cutting but I think it

1849
01:28:22,829 --> 01:28:24,039
's just a natural

1850
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:28,210
progression of all cities and of course anything that would

1851
01:28:28,210 --> 01:28:29,439
come on that land I

1852
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:33,399
can assure you it's gonna have to meet the zoning zoning

1853
01:28:33,399 --> 01:28:35,079
and Planning Commission

1854
01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:41,239
and this is my first time trying to change the zoning and I

1855
01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:42,159
I'm very

1856
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:46,109
impressed with Cindy Jackson's just terrific her analysis I

1857
01:28:46,109 --> 01:28:46,800
couldn't

1858
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,970
embellish that any any better so I would employ you to

1859
01:28:50,970 --> 01:28:52,039
consider have all

1860
01:28:52,039 --> 01:28:54,590
considerations I'm a team player whatever you decide I'll

1861
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:55,239
go along with

1862
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:58,399
that thank you looks like I have another question

1863
01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:03,000
Commissioner Smith thank you Dr. Seyar is that yeah sure so

1864
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:03,680
the purpose of

1865
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,869
rezoning it is purely just to be able to make a more market

1866
01:29:05,869 --> 01:29:06,479
able sell the land

1867
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,649
correct okay they don't have a current developer who's one

1868
01:29:10,649 --> 01:29:11,479
to take the land

1869
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,470
out from underneath you and use it no in fact I even

1870
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:16,159
offered to sell the land at

1871
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:19,239
a fraction of its value to the Mitchell's they said they

1872
01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:19,800
were not

1873
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,810
interested and over a number of years I often them to

1874
01:29:22,810 --> 01:29:24,239
purchase that land so they

1875
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:28,239
have that but right now it's just useless piece of property

1876
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:28,960
does purely

1877
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,220
reason with no no intent of what the usage is gonna be but

1878
01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:33,039
just to reason

1879
01:29:33,039 --> 01:29:34,479
for it's correct other than all if I just want to get

1880
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:35,399
clarification no that's

1881
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:40,590
exactly Cindy can ask you another question then thank you

1882
01:29:40,590 --> 01:29:43,319
Dr. Seyar if we

1883
01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:46,310
do rezone this and this does become commercial uses what

1884
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:46,659
rules and

1885
01:29:46,659 --> 01:29:49,760
regulations do we have on setbacks for commercial uses on

1886
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:50,840
this property at that

1887
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,920
point in time because I'm just looking at it and measuring

1888
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,199
it using you know a

1889
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:58,590
lot it's a very narrow piece of land and at the very most

1890
01:29:58,590 --> 01:30:00,000
the widest part of land

1891
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,649
you can tell me Dr. Seyar if you disagree with me the wid

1892
01:30:02,649 --> 01:30:03,520
est part of the land

1893
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,869
south from 380 down to the back edge of that property is a

1894
01:30:07,869 --> 01:30:08,840
hundred and fifty

1895
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:14,840
feet yes so what

1896
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:34,859
we'll play some jeopardy music or something like that next

1897
01:30:34,859 --> 01:30:36,560
time

1898
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:09,750
for the ECC district yes ma'am the there are no setbacks

1899
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:12,479
okay the only time

1900
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,800
there was a setback is if it was abutting a single-family

1901
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:16,760
user district

1902
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:21,800
okay so for this there would be 30 feet plus one foot for

1903
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:22,880
each foot of building

1904
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:27,279
height above 30 feet along the rear and and the west side

1905
01:31:27,279 --> 01:31:28,979
okay because the

1906
01:31:28,979 --> 01:31:33,619
remainder of it this part right here sure narrow that it

1907
01:31:33,619 --> 01:31:33,960
won't be able to be

1908
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,649
used so basically that would have to become from a

1909
01:31:36,649 --> 01:31:37,840
commercial use standpoint

1910
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,880
if someone wants to take by this land use and develop it

1911
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:41,640
you would have to be

1912
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,600
a driveway in basically is the or nothing or empty land to

1913
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:46,600
the widest part

1914
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,590
of the property and so at the very most you could fit

1915
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:50,479
probably one piece of what

1916
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:55,560
the guy was you could fit a everyone homes laughing at that

1917
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:56,920
you could fit

1918
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,479
basically one one commercial building on there that's

1919
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,899
there's a median opening right here so the driveway

1920
01:32:03,899 --> 01:32:05,279
entrance would probably be

1921
01:32:05,279 --> 01:32:09,920
here so all of you would probably be drive okay and buffer

1922
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:10,800
sure this is

1923
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,560
zoning case I don't get too deep but I just the utility of

1924
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:14,319
the land I just

1925
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:17,489
wanted to ask more questions about that thank you very much

1926
01:32:17,489 --> 01:32:21,880
I appreciate it this

1927
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,189
is a public hearing and anyone else that would like to

1928
01:32:24,189 --> 01:32:25,279
speak on this item please

1929
01:32:25,279 --> 01:32:31,979
come forward at this time seeing none and we'll close the

1930
01:32:31,979 --> 01:32:33,479
public hearing and

1931
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,960
open the floor for discussion or emotion

1932
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:44,310
Commissioner Smith a motion to approve Commissioner Roselle

1933
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:45,399
first of all I

1934
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:49,750
want to thank Victor for coming out and speaking his words

1935
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:51,359
I don't think they go

1936
01:32:51,359 --> 01:32:55,050
unnoticed by any of the Commission and it and I appreciate

1937
01:32:55,050 --> 01:32:56,800
it but with that it

1938
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,340
seems like the property owners has been kind of pigeonholed

1939
01:33:00,340 --> 01:33:01,199
by the the fracking

1940
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:04,869
that's gone on in the area and so it seems the case that he

1941
01:33:04,869 --> 01:33:06,359
provided in terms

1942
01:33:06,359 --> 01:33:08,800
of the context of the land that I'm going to vote and for

1943
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:09,560
this and second

1944
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:13,319
this to see if there can be some development if any on that

1945
01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:14,920
property we

1946
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,840
have a first and a second for approval Commissioner Ellis

1947
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,359
thank you if you were

1948
01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:24,590
going to open it for discussion yes okay thank you very

1949
01:33:24,590 --> 01:33:26,159
much thank you

1950
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:30,640
dr. Shasheer and mr. Victor for coming out I'm having a

1951
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:31,520
rough time supporting

1952
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,329
this I'm sorry that staff didn't discuss a lesser zoning

1953
01:33:35,329 --> 01:33:36,920
here the intensity of

1954
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,090
the zoning concerns me I don't know that's where we want

1955
01:33:40,090 --> 01:33:41,119
this particular

1956
01:33:41,119 --> 01:33:45,649
area of the city to go maybe we do at this point I don't

1957
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:47,920
know I am concerned

1958
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:54,090
as Victor stated that once we rezone this ECC it opens the

1959
01:33:54,090 --> 01:33:56,000
door to properties

1960
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,930
to the West properties to the north that do abut these

1961
01:33:59,930 --> 01:34:01,439
rural properties and we

1962
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,470
can't discount the fact or I can't discount the fact that

1963
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:05,319
that there are

1964
01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:10,439
rural property owners that still do exist in our area so I

1965
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,239
can't support

1966
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:18,890
this and just wanted to get that on the record commissioner

1967
01:34:18,890 --> 01:34:19,920
back thank you chair

1968
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:25,159
and I agree to agree with Commissioner Ellis's concerns but

1969
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:26,439
I guess the bigger

1970
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:31,500
factor here is Victor lives on the north side and there's a

1971
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:32,680
good distance back

1972
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:37,670
that area as far as I can see is not threatened with the

1973
01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:39,840
zone change that

1974
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,829
will come before us and I think it'll be a whole different

1975
01:34:42,829 --> 01:34:45,119
argument but the area

1976
01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:50,270
south of the highway right now is is is almost dead because

1977
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:51,359
of the gas wells

1978
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:55,710
there and unless you know we make some kind of move like

1979
01:34:55,710 --> 01:34:56,579
this it will remain

1980
01:34:56,579 --> 01:35:00,930
that way I really don't want to see residential expand I

1981
01:35:00,930 --> 01:35:02,119
would like to see

1982
01:35:02,119 --> 01:35:06,760
it you know we want density in the city and that means

1983
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,159
going up and not out so

1984
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:11,149
for that reason I would like to get this into more but

1985
01:35:11,149 --> 01:35:12,359
commercial area and not

1986
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:17,020
encourage single-family developments out in that area so I

1987
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:20,239
would be voting for

1988
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,560
Commissioner Smith thank you chair bargie or Commissioner

1989
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:25,680
Ellis to your to your

1990
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,359
point I think I'd the point I was trying to make there was

1991
01:35:28,359 --> 01:35:29,319
that I think this the

1992
01:35:29,319 --> 01:35:32,720
sliver is so small and I could agree with you on a lesser

1993
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,159
zoning as long as

1994
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:39,550
it's still incorporated some sort of office or some sort of

1995
01:35:39,550 --> 01:35:40,720
you know no light

1996
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:44,600
light industrial use but that piece of land is so small

1997
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,239
that I don't think

1998
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:48,890
we're gonna end up having development that's gonna be noisy

1999
01:35:48,890 --> 01:35:49,840
not to mention if

2000
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,560
you want to talk about noise there is a whatever a four

2001
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:53,720
lane highway six lane

2002
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,279
highway where they're running right through the middle it's

2003
01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:55,640
pretty loud

2004
01:35:55,640 --> 01:36:00,539
enough that I just think that to honor but dr. say charts

2005
01:36:00,539 --> 01:36:01,159
trying to do is just

2006
01:36:01,159 --> 01:36:04,149
trying to get this land out from underneath them to

2007
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:05,159
possibly what's gonna

2008
01:36:05,159 --> 01:36:07,449
end up being there is probably going to be a some sort of

2009
01:36:07,449 --> 01:36:08,359
office building or

2010
01:36:08,359 --> 01:36:11,350
some sort of medical practice or something like that just

2011
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:12,079
because that

2012
01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:16,270
land is not going to support some large strip center or

2013
01:36:16,270 --> 01:36:18,119
some large industrial

2014
01:36:18,119 --> 01:36:20,710
development just because the size of it but I take your

2015
01:36:20,710 --> 01:36:21,920
points and I agree with

2016
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,039
you

2017
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:28,060
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair thank you Commissioner

2018
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:29,359
Smith and I appreciate

2019
01:36:29,359 --> 01:36:33,000
what you have to say there and and my comments are are not

2020
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,239
just to single out

2021
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:39,300
the doctor's property what it does is if we rezone this it

2022
01:36:39,300 --> 01:36:41,520
does open up the

2023
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,869
ability to more easily rezone other things to ECC in that

2024
01:36:45,869 --> 01:36:47,359
immediate area and

2025
01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:52,880
across the street so that's my concern because we do have

2026
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,880
to look at if we do

2027
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:59,520
one what are the unintended consequences what do we open up

2028
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,199
you know we talk

2029
01:37:00,199 --> 01:37:04,149
about isolated isolated zoning districts we're creating one

2030
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:06,079
right now and when we

2031
01:37:06,079 --> 01:37:09,840
do that my concern is have we thought about it enough to

2032
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,199
make sure that that's

2033
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:14,420
what we want this to start becoming because we're at the

2034
01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:15,319
top of the heap

2035
01:37:15,319 --> 01:37:19,560
here with with this don't zoning designation so so that's

2036
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:20,520
that's my

2037
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:25,420
concern it's not to to to handcuff this owner it's to think

2038
01:37:25,420 --> 01:37:26,479
of the other

2039
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:29,069
property owners in the future of that particular zone in

2040
01:37:29,069 --> 01:37:29,920
the city but I

2041
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:35,800
appreciate your comments thank you Commissioner Sanchez my

2042
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:36,520
biggest

2043
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:40,270
consideration consideration is basically what the city says

2044
01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:41,680
it's a primary

2045
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:49,310
arterial arterial road so over time I think in the next 10

2046
01:37:49,310 --> 01:37:50,439
15 20 years you're

2047
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:54,109
gonna see more that was businesses that you see prior to

2048
01:37:54,109 --> 01:37:55,680
March those businesses

2049
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,920
all that is going to expand so I think it's a it's a

2050
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,119
reasonable recommendation

2051
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:08,659
and I'm gonna vote for it I'm gonna echo Commissioner San

2052
01:38:08,659 --> 01:38:10,760
chez comments as I look

2053
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:16,770
at the area further to the west over towards 51 there's a

2054
01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:17,880
pretty good sized

2055
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:22,109
commercial use there and I think because of the text on

2056
01:38:22,109 --> 01:38:23,960
improvements to six lane

2057
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:28,460
road that it ultimately this will become some type of a

2058
01:38:28,460 --> 01:38:29,760
commercial corridor for

2059
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:34,390
our city for the matter of fact that because of all the gas

2060
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:35,640
wells it will be

2061
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:39,039
very difficult if not impossible to meet the setback

2062
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:40,800
requirements because of the

2063
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,970
gas wells and because of the infrastructure that's there

2064
01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:45,479
with the

2065
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,710
six lane highway and commercial uses already up and down 3

2066
01:38:49,710 --> 01:38:50,760
80 to the west and

2067
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,470
going on over to Decatur I think ultimately that's where we

2068
01:38:53,470 --> 01:38:53,920
're gonna go

2069
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:59,850
and to your point I understand it is early but I think this

2070
01:38:59,850 --> 01:39:01,199
is going to be

2071
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:04,579
the the direction that this whole area will ultimately move

2072
01:39:04,579 --> 01:39:05,680
in just because of

2073
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:09,479
the features that are around it and the accessibility that

2074
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:10,800
's out there and the

2075
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:15,149
need for services so I'm going to support the zoning change

2076
01:39:15,149 --> 01:39:16,199
as well and

2077
01:39:16,199 --> 01:39:19,560
with that unless there any other comments or discussion I'm

2078
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,399
going to call

2079
01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:23,939
for a vote on the board and the motion before us is a first

2080
01:39:23,939 --> 01:39:24,920
and a second to

2081
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:31,119
approve with that I'll call for a vote on board

2082
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:42,779
and motion is going to carry five to one that will move us

2083
01:39:42,779 --> 01:39:44,399
to item B in our

2084
01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:48,649
public hearings this evening at this time I'm going to open

2085
01:39:48,649 --> 01:39:50,239
Z 17 - zero zero

2086
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:55,760
three two and call on Cindy Jackson for presentation

2087
01:40:07,039 --> 01:40:07,170
Z 17 - zero zero three two is a request to rezone

2088
01:40:07,170 --> 01:40:13,720
approximately eight point nine

2089
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:17,029
acres of land from neighborhood residential six and our

2090
01:40:17,029 --> 01:40:17,880
sixth zoning

2091
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:22,109
district to neighborhood residential mixed use 12 NRMU 12

2092
01:40:22,109 --> 01:40:23,420
zoning district the

2093
01:40:23,420 --> 01:40:26,960
site is generally located on the southwest side of Colorado

2094
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:27,640
Boulevard

2095
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:27,640
approximately 315 feet northwest of San Jacinto here at the

2096
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:36,100
top you see our

2097
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:39,340
current zoning map which shows the NR6 zoning and at the

2098
01:40:39,340 --> 01:40:40,560
bottom you'll you see

2099
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,560
the proposed zoning map which shows the proposed zoning

2100
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:44,840
district as you can see

2101
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:51,149
this district is a continuation of the NR12 district that's

2102
01:40:51,149 --> 01:40:53,960
to the north future

2103
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:57,939
land use map designation for this site is moderate density

2104
01:40:57,939 --> 01:40:58,920
single-family

2105
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,729
residential which permits single-family residential on

2106
01:41:02,729 --> 01:41:04,279
small lots with a density

2107
01:41:04,279 --> 01:41:07,689
of between four to twelve dwelling units per acre this is

2108
01:41:07,689 --> 01:41:09,239
typically used as a

2109
01:41:09,239 --> 01:41:13,750
transition between the established single-family

2110
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:15,399
neighborhoods and

2111
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:20,220
commercial areas or mixed-use areas as you can see we've

2112
01:41:20,220 --> 01:41:22,399
got to the west low

2113
01:41:22,399 --> 01:41:28,560
density residential and then we've got to the southeast

2114
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,239
regional mixed use which

2115
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:33,229
is actually the site of the Golden Triangle Mall and

2116
01:41:33,229 --> 01:41:34,319
associated pad sites

2117
01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:41,449
and commercial uses excuse me residential uses permitted in

2118
01:41:41,449 --> 01:41:42,000
the NR 12

2119
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,640
zoning district are consistent with the future land use

2120
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,359
plan designation however

2121
01:41:47,359 --> 01:41:50,529
permitted multifamily and commercial uses would not be

2122
01:41:50,529 --> 01:41:51,800
conforming with this

2123
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:57,670
site for that reason staff is recommending an overlay which

2124
01:41:57,670 --> 01:41:58,079
will

2125
01:41:58,079 --> 01:42:03,960
restrict the uses to single-family townhomes and a maximum

2126
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,039
density of 10

2127
01:42:05,039 --> 01:42:12,520
dwelling units per acre moderate density residential

2128
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:13,840
neighborhoods are appropriate

2129
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,909
along secondary arterials which is what Colorado Boulevard

2130
01:42:17,909 --> 01:42:19,079
is it should provide

2131
01:42:19,079 --> 01:42:23,250
adequate visibility and access the NRMU 12 district is

2132
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:24,560
typically in close

2133
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:29,090
proximity to low density residential neighborhoods as I

2134
01:42:29,090 --> 01:42:30,359
mentioned as and it's

2135
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:33,989
used as a transition or buffer to more intense commercial

2136
01:42:33,989 --> 01:42:36,640
uses the NRMU 12

2137
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:40,569
district it limits the residential density and scale the

2138
01:42:40,569 --> 01:42:41,800
density is limited

2139
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:45,350
per the district to 12 but we are requesting an overlay to

2140
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:47,079
restrict that to

2141
01:42:47,079 --> 01:42:52,909
10 the development must comply with all standards including

2142
01:42:52,909 --> 01:42:53,600
the ESA tree

2143
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,279
preservation buffer standards screening tree canopy and

2144
01:42:56,279 --> 01:42:57,520
light requirements and

2145
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,229
the infrastructure needs will be assessed for the site at

2146
01:43:01,229 --> 01:43:02,000
the time of

2147
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:08,859
plotting and site plan the site has 904 linear feet of

2148
01:43:08,859 --> 01:43:10,640
frontage on Colorado

2149
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,810
Boulevard Colorado Boulevard is designated as a secondary

2150
01:43:14,810 --> 01:43:16,560
arterial part

2151
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:21,119
of it is four lane divided excuse me four lane undivided

2152
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:21,840
and as we get closer

2153
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,510
to the intersection with Hatt San Jacinto it becomes a four

2154
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:25,640
lane divided

2155
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:29,399
during the work session there were questions about the stub

2156
01:43:29,399 --> 01:43:30,359
out of Claremont

2157
01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:34,890
and and why it was there this site was originally supposed

2158
01:43:34,890 --> 01:43:36,479
to be phase two of

2159
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:41,560
the patio homes that are located here and for reasons that

2160
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,199
I couldn't find it

2161
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:47,369
it never developed that way and so this is what the new

2162
01:43:47,369 --> 01:43:50,239
proposal is compatibility

2163
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:54,710
with the the zoning surrounded zoning there is NR three

2164
01:43:54,710 --> 01:43:56,399
single-family to the

2165
01:43:56,399 --> 01:44:03,020
west and our six to the southwest our CCD to the southeast

2166
01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:05,880
which is a intense

2167
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:11,279
commercial area and NRMU 12 and multifamily out to the

2168
01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:13,600
north the area is

2169
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:18,640
the request is very compatible with the surrounding zoning

2170
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:20,119
we sent out

2171
01:44:20,119 --> 01:44:26,000
35 notices on February 2nd via certified mail and 116

2172
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,239
courtesy notices went out

2173
01:44:27,239 --> 01:44:33,260
as well we've received six responses in opposition and two

2174
01:44:33,260 --> 01:44:35,119
in favor and one

2175
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:39,069
neutral and and one of the responses is right up here it's

2176
01:44:39,069 --> 01:44:39,920
difficult to tell

2177
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,380
because it kind of blends in with the boundary line of the

2178
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:46,920
200 feet staff

2179
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:50,880
recommends approval of this request with the condition that

2180
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,079
mixed use overlay

2181
01:44:52,079 --> 01:44:57,319
district be applied to the site with the following

2182
01:44:57,319 --> 01:44:58,520
conditions that there shall be

2183
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,520
no uses permitted other than single-family attached town

2184
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:02,720
homes

2185
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:06,279
including duplexes or single-family detached units it would

2186
01:45:06,279 --> 01:45:06,779
just be town

2187
01:45:06,779 --> 01:45:10,550
homes the overall density of the site shall not exceed 10

2188
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:11,399
dwelling units per

2189
01:45:11,399 --> 01:45:15,630
acre and that concludes my presentation and the applicant

2190
01:45:15,630 --> 01:45:16,960
is here if you have

2191
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:21,439
questions Cindy question another came up in work session

2192
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:22,920
what is the height

2193
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:30,050
maximum on in our six I think it's 65 but let me double

2194
01:45:30,050 --> 01:45:30,079
check

2195
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:39,319
what is in our 12 though

2196
01:45:40,399 --> 01:45:47,109
just like this up here we had discrepancy there just to

2197
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:49,439
clarify I think

2198
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:53,090
we're having a little sidebar discussion and I get frowned

2199
01:45:53,090 --> 01:45:53,439
at right

2200
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:58,239
quick here amongst us the height requirements or maximums

2201
01:45:58,239 --> 01:45:58,920
on would you

2202
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:02,079
when you get to the code for mr. inner me 12 it's 40 feet

2203
01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:04,359
okay and in our six is

2204
01:46:04,359 --> 01:46:10,229
40 as well so they're the same height requirement in both

2205
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:10,479
okay

2206
01:46:14,279 --> 01:46:22,680
Commissioner Smith nothing I withdraw my request I think I

2207
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,079
stole your question

2208
01:46:24,079 --> 01:46:37,640
maybe okay any other questions for staff thank you Cindy

2209
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,520
this is a public hearing

2210
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:44,579
and the first card that I have is the applicant and I'll

2211
01:46:44,579 --> 01:46:46,560
call on Eric Schmidt

2212
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,369
if you'll give your name and address for us I think you'll

2213
01:46:50,369 --> 01:46:51,640
have up to ten minutes

2214
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:56,359
sir yes sir thank you good evening my name is Eric Schmidt

2215
01:46:56,359 --> 01:46:58,000
's property here in

2216
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:03,869
Denton 207 West Hickory and there is basically this

2217
01:47:03,869 --> 01:47:05,039
property has been here

2218
01:47:05,039 --> 01:47:09,439
for a long time and as Cindy was saying never did really

2219
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,060
develop I feel like the

2220
01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:16,699
proposed use of townhome is an excellent buffer between the

2221
01:47:16,699 --> 01:47:18,399
hard commercial mall

2222
01:47:18,399 --> 01:47:22,319
bowling alley and the apartments on the north side or the

2223
01:47:22,319 --> 01:47:23,560
opposite side of

2224
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:29,439
Colorado and the garden homes that surround us we held a

2225
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,520
meeting open public

2226
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:36,680
meeting Monday February 12th and we had 42 people show up

2227
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:42,119
and had mixed feedback

2228
01:47:42,119 --> 01:47:48,359
I would say 50/50 we took into consideration the main

2229
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:49,359
concerns of the

2230
01:47:49,359 --> 01:47:54,020
of the folks in the area such as the buffer between the

2231
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:55,640
existing residential

2232
01:47:55,640 --> 01:48:00,619
and the proposed development and considered that we would

2233
01:48:00,619 --> 01:48:01,800
be willing to

2234
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:06,079
construct a fence you know upon the city's approval in

2235
01:48:06,079 --> 01:48:06,920
addition we were

2236
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:12,789
going to landscape the buffer between those we talked about

2237
01:48:12,789 --> 01:48:14,520
the trees we're

2238
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:20,390
willing to replace the hardwood species on a caliper plus

2239
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:22,800
basis so that we would

2240
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:27,869
line Colorado with an ash fence and or hardwood species

2241
01:48:27,869 --> 01:48:29,039
probably live oak or

2242
01:48:29,039 --> 01:48:33,880
red oak or something like this in addition we have in the

2243
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:34,640
development of

2244
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:39,069
proposed amenity center and dog park would have a pool and

2245
01:48:39,069 --> 01:48:40,479
clubhouse something

2246
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:44,359
like that for the folks that live there walking trail and

2247
01:48:44,359 --> 01:48:46,000
we invited the folks

2248
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:50,579
that were contiguous to have access to those facilities as

2249
01:48:50,579 --> 01:48:51,720
well as they were

2250
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:56,170
like as they would like to some of the main concerns and it

2251
01:48:56,170 --> 01:48:57,159
was interesting the

2252
01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:00,960
folks that showed up lots of them were elderly retired

2253
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,199
folks and just didn't

2254
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:08,029
want to have a big disturbance and I assured them that our

2255
01:49:08,029 --> 01:49:09,680
proposal is fee

2256
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:13,170
ownership these folks it's not apartment or a strip center

2257
01:49:13,170 --> 01:49:13,920
or something that

2258
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:18,439
would probably be more likely for this particular property

2259
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:19,880
these folks will own

2260
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:24,050
their homes and part of the requirements for each of the

2261
01:49:24,050 --> 01:49:25,439
homes would be also

2262
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:31,310
another hardwood tree minimum of one they have driveways as

2263
01:49:31,310 --> 01:49:32,399
well as garages

2264
01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:36,890
on site one of the concerns was off-street parking or on-st

2265
01:49:36,890 --> 01:49:37,720
reet parking

2266
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:41,689
so we created an area in the proposed flat for guest

2267
01:49:41,689 --> 01:49:43,319
parking added an

2268
01:49:43,319 --> 01:49:49,819
additional 12 spaces for that the last discussions we had

2269
01:49:49,819 --> 01:49:51,399
and we're open to

2270
01:49:51,399 --> 01:49:54,939
feedback is the main entrance or the grand entrance which

2271
01:49:54,939 --> 01:49:56,079
would be Colorado

2272
01:49:56,079 --> 01:50:01,590
Boulevard a very nice landscaped entrance and they didn't

2273
01:50:01,590 --> 01:50:03,279
want this traffic to

2274
01:50:03,279 --> 01:50:06,859
flow through to behind the bank into the garden home

2275
01:50:06,859 --> 01:50:08,520
development as a through

2276
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:13,199
street and so the engineers and I met and thought well

2277
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:15,159
maybe we could make that

2278
01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:18,149
a they call it I guess a crash gate where the fire

2279
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:19,720
department or the police

2280
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,850
could get through if there was an emergency and for

2281
01:50:21,850 --> 01:50:22,800
whatever reason the

2282
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:26,399
main gate was blocked off or inaccessible so we felt like

2283
01:50:26,399 --> 01:50:27,239
that would be a good

2284
01:50:27,239 --> 01:50:33,739
compromise and we're prepared to do that basically it's it

2285
01:50:33,739 --> 01:50:35,399
's a real tasteful

2286
01:50:35,399 --> 01:50:41,020
townhome type mix I think the market we're sorely lacking

2287
01:50:41,020 --> 01:50:42,399
for this price

2288
01:50:42,399 --> 01:50:47,739
point of home 275 to 350s they anticipated sale price of

2289
01:50:47,739 --> 01:50:49,600
these homes

2290
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:53,560
and there's a bus route there and we've also figured out a

2291
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:54,760
configuration with

2292
01:50:54,760 --> 01:51:00,640
the preliminary traffic study to have a turn lane in front

2293
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,199
as a middle line to

2294
01:51:02,199 --> 01:51:04,970
Colorado Boulevard where we could reconfigure the median

2295
01:51:04,970 --> 01:51:05,399
and the

2296
01:51:05,399 --> 01:51:08,479
development group is prepared to do that to make that

2297
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:09,960
happen there's it seems to

2298
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,520
be a lot of land in the middle where Colorado gets narrowed

2299
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,000
down there for for

2300
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,180
some reason but there's plenty room for a turn lane there

2301
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:18,720
and we could

2302
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:23,640
reconfigure that at our expense to help with the traffic

2303
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:28,119
flow so we addressed of

2304
01:51:28,119 --> 01:51:32,729
the eight points that the folks had at the meeting or

2305
01:51:32,729 --> 01:51:34,800
excuse me ten we came

2306
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:42,430
back and have agreed or deferred to the the folks around us

2307
01:51:42,430 --> 01:51:44,039
on eight of them and

2308
01:51:44,039 --> 01:51:47,449
one of the two that are remainer they just don't want to

2309
01:51:47,449 --> 01:51:48,840
see any development

2310
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:53,470
there so we're trying to get by the best we can I

2311
01:51:53,470 --> 01:51:55,079
appreciate your time and

2312
01:51:55,079 --> 01:51:58,960
consideration I'm open for questions okay commissioner back

2313
01:51:58,960 --> 01:51:59,800
thank you chair

2314
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,920
and thank you mr. Smith for your presentation and I want to

2315
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:03,720
commend you

2316
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:07,359
on holding a neighborhood meeting that seems to be

2317
01:52:07,359 --> 01:52:09,439
something that developers

2318
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:18,359
what's a crash gate it's a gate that they have it's a small

2319
01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:19,079
gate that could

2320
01:52:19,079 --> 01:52:22,569
be crashed through pretty easily but it's a control gate so

2321
01:52:22,569 --> 01:52:23,279
that the fire

2322
01:52:23,279 --> 01:52:26,510
department and this is my understanding the fire department

2323
01:52:26,510 --> 01:52:27,159
the police

2324
01:52:27,159 --> 01:52:30,489
department either has electronic access where they can open

2325
01:52:30,489 --> 01:52:33,279
it 24/7 or have a

2326
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:37,449
key or a lock in every city is different but basically

2327
01:52:37,449 --> 01:52:39,039
there's nobody driving

2328
01:52:39,039 --> 01:52:42,159
back and forth through the property on a regular basis and

2329
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:43,359
the way it's designed

2330
01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:47,239
in our proposed plan they wouldn't necessarily need to is

2331
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:48,159
the main entrance

2332
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:52,439
would would serve everybody to ingress and egress but per

2333
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:53,680
the requirements and

2334
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:56,840
I think the majority of the emphasis on that requirement

2335
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:58,079
are for emergency access

2336
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:01,300
and so we're trying to make a provision for that okay that

2337
01:53:01,300 --> 01:53:02,640
makes sense now did I

2338
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:06,130
hear you right that you're willing to offer the amenities

2339
01:53:06,130 --> 01:53:07,279
you're going to be

2340
01:53:07,279 --> 01:53:11,270
putting in this to the garden home community to to

2341
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:12,159
everybody that's

2342
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:15,319
contiguous along there we offered them the right to come to

2343
01:53:15,319 --> 01:53:16,199
the dog parks or

2344
01:53:16,199 --> 01:53:20,430
the walk park so they can come through that crash gate area

2345
01:53:20,430 --> 01:53:21,560
yes sir okay we

2346
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:25,539
would continue the sidewalk into the community and it's

2347
01:53:25,539 --> 01:53:26,960
pretty close to the

2348
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,600
garden homes I had a couple of folks that are over in the

2349
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:31,560
larger homes that

2350
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:35,180
one guy wanted a gate another guy didn't didn't want a gate

2351
01:53:35,180 --> 01:53:36,159
and so I wouldn't

2352
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:40,229
sure how that would work but if we do like a masonry wall

2353
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:40,880
or a pretty

2354
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,949
substantial wall that we're anticipating he'd probably have

2355
01:53:43,949 --> 01:53:44,840
to go around and come

2356
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:48,710
up the back street right okay one last thing concern

2357
01:53:48,710 --> 01:53:50,000
mentioned by some of the

2358
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:53,569
residents there is the height and I know you wanted to

2359
01:53:53,569 --> 01:53:55,039
build three store up to

2360
01:53:55,039 --> 01:53:58,029
three story I think the height is 40 feet is that right

2361
01:53:58,029 --> 01:53:59,159
thank you okay and

2362
01:53:59,159 --> 01:54:02,829
that that would allow a three-story but do you see yourself

2363
01:54:02,829 --> 01:54:04,000
accommodating the

2364
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,199
residents in the garden homes where you could put the

2365
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:08,640
second and third story

2366
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:13,380
buildings closer to Colorado yes we're studying that right

2367
01:54:13,380 --> 01:54:14,880
now and the plan

2368
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,510
that the builders that we're working with the three story

2369
01:54:18,510 --> 01:54:21,119
is about 32 feet so

2370
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:26,989
we'll be under the 40 however they the houses that are the

2371
01:54:26,989 --> 01:54:28,159
lower density lowest

2372
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:32,390
density if you will that are contiguous we're thinking that

2373
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:33,159
we might could limit

2374
01:54:33,159 --> 01:54:37,079
those to a two-story which is no different than is already

2375
01:54:37,079 --> 01:54:37,560
in the

2376
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:41,250
neighborhood in our suits and so far as they're contiguous

2377
01:54:41,250 --> 01:54:42,199
to that back fence

2378
01:54:42,199 --> 01:54:45,430
that abuts the development I think that we could probably

2379
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:46,239
work with them on a

2380
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:50,920
two-story configuration on those parcels just just for

2381
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,439
everybody's if you missed

2382
01:54:52,439 --> 01:54:55,979
it up here in our six which is there now would allow the

2383
01:54:55,979 --> 01:54:57,600
same height somebody

2384
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:01,470
want to build a two-story house back in the garden house

2385
01:55:01,470 --> 01:55:03,359
that could be done so just

2386
01:55:03,359 --> 01:55:08,630
want to make that point right and staff mentioned that it

2387
01:55:08,630 --> 01:55:09,800
would be at a limit of

2388
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:13,760
ten dwelling units per acre but she mentioned something

2389
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:14,920
about you wanting to

2390
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,689
bring it down today we're yeah we're less than that

2391
01:55:17,689 --> 01:55:20,119
actually I think one plane we

2392
01:55:20,119 --> 01:55:25,670
had was like 74 and the other was 78 and so instead of 85

2393
01:55:25,670 --> 01:55:26,880
or 90 whatever that

2394
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:31,840
equates to 8.9 to be 89 we're already dropping it down and

2395
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:32,359
that's to make

2396
01:55:32,359 --> 01:55:36,590
provision for the green dog park and the walkways and

2397
01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:39,199
landscape buffer okay thank

2398
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:47,039
you any other questions for the applicant

2399
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:51,279
thank you sir yes quite a few cards you might want to stay

2400
01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:52,439
close if we need to

2401
01:55:52,439 --> 01:56:01,729
thank you the next card I have is Jennifer gear 1512 Greens

2402
01:56:01,729 --> 01:56:02,399
Point Circle

2403
01:56:02,399 --> 01:56:06,569
it's not marked as to whether it's opposition or support

2404
01:56:06,569 --> 01:56:07,720
please give us

2405
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:11,159
your name and address certainly my name is Jennifer gear

2406
01:56:11,159 --> 01:56:12,920
and I'm on 1512 Greens

2407
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:15,930
Point Circle and I appreciate the opportunity to talk thank

2408
01:56:15,930 --> 01:56:16,640
you very much

2409
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:20,810
I had meant to put opposed I just turned in my card a bit

2410
01:56:20,810 --> 01:56:21,960
quickly so that was the

2411
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:28,000
intent on it but but staffs input on the overlay actually

2412
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,199
is a very key point to

2413
01:56:30,199 --> 01:56:34,390
me because one of my concerns is that I live on a cul-de-s

2414
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:36,199
ac and I actually love

2415
01:56:36,199 --> 01:56:39,220
the area because it's a nice private cul-de-sac but there's

2416
01:56:39,220 --> 01:56:40,560
great easy access

2417
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:43,779
to the major roads Colorado and such it's a really nice

2418
01:56:43,779 --> 01:56:45,159
location so my

2419
01:56:45,159 --> 01:56:49,829
concern was that the zoning could change somebody else

2420
01:56:49,829 --> 01:56:51,279
could buy out the project

2421
01:56:51,279 --> 01:56:54,170
and it could become apartments or something like this which

2422
01:56:54,170 --> 01:56:54,800
I really did

2423
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,119
not want so townhomes if something is going to be built

2424
01:56:58,119 --> 01:57:00,220
there is more

2425
01:57:00,220 --> 01:57:06,100
amenable to me so then my my remaining concerns are really

2426
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:07,899
traffic because

2427
01:57:07,899 --> 01:57:10,979
Colorado can be pretty busy I don't know if there's a way

2428
01:57:10,979 --> 01:57:12,340
of having it go out to

2429
01:57:12,340 --> 01:57:18,220
San Jacinto I'm not sure if that becomes an option or not

2430
01:57:18,220 --> 01:57:20,140
and then the privacy

2431
01:57:20,140 --> 01:57:24,140
how you know if there's a nice brick wall with sound abat

2432
01:57:24,140 --> 01:57:25,560
ement that sort of

2433
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:29,920
thing in it and the aesthetics of it because I did not have

2434
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,640
the the details

2435
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:34,010
on the landscaping so a little bit was talked about but

2436
01:57:34,010 --> 01:57:34,880
there weren't any

2437
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,340
visuals so I actually don't see and that's very important

2438
01:57:38,340 --> 01:57:39,079
to me because we

2439
01:57:39,079 --> 01:57:43,069
have a nice community very nice cul-de-sacs and I don't

2440
01:57:43,069 --> 01:57:44,880
want that to be

2441
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:51,079
encumbered by a very high density look to it so I want a

2442
01:57:51,079 --> 01:57:52,800
nice marriage of the

2443
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:57,750
two if that is going to be built I will say that I did not

2444
01:57:57,750 --> 01:58:00,079
I was at the that

2445
01:58:00,079 --> 01:58:02,850
meeting you referred to and I did not see a 50/50 I

2446
01:58:02,850 --> 01:58:04,000
definitely saw that the

2447
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,710
community was not that interested in having a development

2448
01:58:06,710 --> 01:58:07,720
there but that

2449
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:11,579
townhomes probably seem to be the lesser of possible evils

2450
01:58:11,579 --> 01:58:12,279
out there

2451
01:58:12,279 --> 01:58:16,039
certainly we'd rather have single-family detached rather

2452
01:58:16,039 --> 01:58:17,079
than single-family

2453
01:58:17,079 --> 01:58:20,479
attached but single-family attached is better than some of

2454
01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:22,800
the other options so

2455
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:28,920
I guess in summary if the aesthetics of it the the greenery

2456
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:30,760
the trees and such

2457
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:35,920
are really nice nearby then I think that might be amenable

2458
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:37,840
I guess one final note

2459
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:41,699
is that a lot of the existing residents in the cul-de-sacs

2460
01:58:41,699 --> 01:58:42,920
area a lot of them

2461
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,470
are elderly and most people said that they probably wouldn

2462
01:58:45,470 --> 01:58:46,159
't be using the

2463
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:49,300
amenities even so so it's a nice offer but probably not to

2464
01:58:49,300 --> 01:58:50,920
be utilized so the

2465
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:55,289
view the aesthetics the noise level the traffic I think

2466
01:58:55,289 --> 01:58:56,279
those are the bigger

2467
01:58:56,279 --> 01:59:00,010
issues of the actual residents thank you for the

2468
01:59:00,010 --> 01:59:01,800
opportunity to speak thank you

2469
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:06,270
for coming this evening your comments next part I have is

2470
01:59:06,270 --> 01:59:07,319
Linda Dudley

2471
01:59:07,319 --> 01:59:14,319
1916 Cavender Circle in opposition to be followed by Gary

2472
01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:19,880
Glover hello our main

2473
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,359
concern I live in the garden home can you give us your name

2474
01:59:22,359 --> 01:59:23,199
and address for

2475
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:28,000
the record yes Linda Dudley 1916 Cavender thank you I live

2476
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:28,640
in the garden

2477
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:34,520
homes been there 13 years and we have enjoyed a quiet safe

2478
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:36,279
neighborhood most

2479
01:59:36,279 --> 01:59:40,510
until recently it was all pretty much older people whose

2480
01:59:40,510 --> 01:59:41,880
children were grown

2481
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:46,060
and gone and these are small homes up to like four feet

2482
01:59:46,060 --> 01:59:48,119
apart so we're in there

2483
01:59:48,119 --> 01:59:52,289
you know we're but we're all good friends and we we have

2484
01:59:52,289 --> 01:59:53,079
lived a safe

2485
01:59:53,079 --> 01:59:57,130
place you know we feel like we can go home at night and it

2486
01:59:57,130 --> 01:59:58,840
's quiet and we've

2487
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:05,100
loved that but we own our streets our HOA we do not want

2488
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:07,439
the traffic to come

2489
02:00:07,439 --> 02:00:11,260
through Claremont because our streets are narrow and how

2490
02:00:11,260 --> 02:00:13,199
this subdivision got

2491
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:16,229
approved ever with these small streets we don't know but

2492
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:17,479
there's no room for

2493
02:00:17,479 --> 02:00:21,649
any parking in the streets on on my street and the next

2494
02:00:21,649 --> 02:00:23,520
street over so any

2495
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,800
overflow that can't get in the garage or the or the

2496
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:28,760
driveway parks on Claremont

2497
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:32,590
that's the only place because there's no room for fire

2498
02:00:32,590 --> 02:00:34,640
trucks or any emergency

2499
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:38,869
vehicles to come in on those streets so that is our biggest

2500
02:00:38,869 --> 02:00:40,279
worry and concern

2501
02:00:40,279 --> 02:00:47,239
also of course noise crime high taxes just all that we

2502
02:00:47,239 --> 02:00:48,399
realize that there's

2503
02:00:48,399 --> 02:00:51,520
going to be development we can't control that and I guess

2504
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,199
single-family would be

2505
02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:59,079
the most desirable but we 80 homes we can't even imagine

2506
02:00:59,079 --> 02:01:00,159
the traffic and the

2507
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:03,199
noise that's going to be that's what we were told at the

2508
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:04,560
meeting up to 80 homes

2509
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:08,569
so our residences so we're just all concerned about how

2510
02:01:08,569 --> 02:01:09,800
that's going to

2511
02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:15,380
affect us our safety security noise just all of it and you

2512
02:01:15,380 --> 02:01:16,600
know we're just hoping

2513
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:21,579
to keep it as quiet as possible and as you know low density

2514
02:01:21,579 --> 02:01:23,960
as possible and just

2515
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:30,119
keep our neighbors from being just pretty much safe

2516
02:01:30,119 --> 02:01:31,479
question for you

2517
02:01:31,479 --> 02:01:34,239
Commissioner Smith thank you chair thank you ma'am come out

2518
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:36,319
and speak tonight the

2519
02:01:36,319 --> 02:01:39,569
the applicant to talk about putting that crash gate up so

2520
02:01:39,569 --> 02:01:40,920
that emergency services

2521
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:44,989
has access through Claremont just in the event it is hard

2522
02:01:44,989 --> 02:01:46,239
to just put up one

2523
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:49,590
entrance in and out of a neighborhood and the fire code

2524
02:01:49,590 --> 02:01:50,920
that comes along with

2525
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,909
that crash gate you think that's that's what's not it's not

2526
02:01:53,909 --> 02:01:54,800
open to the public

2527
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:59,029
it's meant to be just purely for emergency personnel long

2528
02:01:59,029 --> 02:02:01,439
story short it's

2529
02:02:01,439 --> 02:02:04,119
basically it's a barrier that keeps it from public traffic

2530
02:02:04,119 --> 02:02:05,920
going through but if

2531
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:07,920
like a fire truck needs to get through to this new

2532
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:09,520
development they have the

2533
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:14,310
ability to go through that gate we would prefer no at

2534
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:16,279
minutes through our

2535
02:02:16,279 --> 02:02:21,420
neighborhood okay with trucks or whatever even the even in

2536
02:02:21,420 --> 02:02:22,199
the process of

2537
02:02:22,199 --> 02:02:26,079
an emergency well I guess if it was an emergency okay sure

2538
02:02:26,079 --> 02:02:26,880
I actually have a

2539
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,720
question for the applicant now

2540
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:36,609
yes sir projected value of the town homes you're building

2541
02:02:36,609 --> 02:02:38,479
in here 250 to 350

2542
02:02:38,479 --> 02:02:43,989
range great so anything okay I'm sorry one more size square

2543
02:02:43,989 --> 02:02:44,600
foot did you think

2544
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:52,069
minimum of 1600 feet on up to like 2200 livable got thank

2545
02:02:52,069 --> 02:02:54,119
you I have a follow-up

2546
02:02:54,119 --> 02:02:58,289
question for miss Dudley one of the things the applicant

2547
02:02:58,289 --> 02:02:59,119
stated that they

2548
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:02,439
were open to is restricting the height against the existing

2549
02:03:02,439 --> 02:03:03,680
neighborhood if

2550
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:08,430
that's restricted to two stories with a maximum height on

2551
02:03:08,430 --> 02:03:09,720
it does that alleviate

2552
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:12,800
some of the fears of the height backing right up to your

2553
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:13,600
neighborhood that we

2554
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:17,779
think it would in our neighborhood we have 36 homes they're

2555
02:03:17,779 --> 02:03:18,840
all one level

2556
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:23,010
except for two and that is when you enter our subdivision

2557
02:03:23,010 --> 02:03:24,159
which is between

2558
02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:28,579
in wood bank building and then the strip center where Bur

2559
02:03:28,579 --> 02:03:30,079
lington Co. factory is

2560
02:03:30,079 --> 02:03:34,649
and that so there are two but the rest of it's just and so

2561
02:03:34,649 --> 02:03:36,359
that is is a concern

2562
02:03:36,359 --> 02:03:39,579
that there'll be tall buildings with people who can see

2563
02:03:39,579 --> 02:03:41,479
over you know into the

2564
02:03:41,479 --> 02:03:45,739
homes or the patios or whatever if we again if we added

2565
02:03:45,739 --> 02:03:47,600
that restriction is

2566
02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:51,159
there open to doing that two-story against the adjoining

2567
02:03:51,159 --> 02:03:51,720
with that help

2568
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:55,829
allay some of the concerns I think it would but not as far

2569
02:03:55,829 --> 02:03:56,720
I mean you know I

2570
02:03:56,720 --> 02:04:00,050
still feel the same about coming through our neighborhood

2571
02:04:00,050 --> 02:04:01,600
sure yeah but the noise

2572
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:06,279
and traffic and you know Colorado is not a huge street I

2573
02:04:06,279 --> 02:04:07,159
think it would really

2574
02:04:07,159 --> 02:04:10,149
jam up the traffic already if you go out of our

2575
02:04:10,149 --> 02:04:13,399
neighborhood and try to go on to

2576
02:04:13,399 --> 02:04:16,899
the loop from Colorado usually end up sitting through that

2577
02:04:16,899 --> 02:04:18,720
light maybe three

2578
02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:22,479
or four times right now just with the traffic that it's got

2579
02:04:22,479 --> 02:04:24,600
right now one

2580
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:26,850
other observation I would just share with you on the

2581
02:04:26,850 --> 02:04:28,119
possibility of a second

2582
02:04:28,119 --> 02:04:32,000
point of egress that is gated it may be a benefit for your

2583
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:33,399
neighborhood as well

2584
02:04:33,399 --> 02:04:36,489
if there was some type of an accident right there at in

2585
02:04:36,489 --> 02:04:37,600
wood bank and there's

2586
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:40,979
emergency in your neighborhood there's no way to get into

2587
02:04:40,979 --> 02:04:42,560
it this development

2588
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:46,729
with that emergency only gate within allow a second point

2589
02:04:46,729 --> 02:04:47,960
so there might be

2590
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:50,949
another consideration for you all there for your future

2591
02:04:50,949 --> 02:04:52,439
well as long as it's a

2592
02:04:52,439 --> 02:04:57,159
crash gate as long as the all kinds of people can't crash

2593
02:04:57,159 --> 02:04:59,920
through there we're

2594
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:03,000
gonna have to come up with a better term

2595
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:10,920
emergency great one other question Commissioner Sanchez for

2596
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:11,640
the applicant I

2597
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:16,199
know I had the same question about what would be the square

2598
02:05:16,199 --> 02:05:17,000
footage as you said

2599
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,000
about 1600 square foot that that's what we're anticipating

2600
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:20,880
for the minimum size

2601
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:26,310
living area up to 22 23 and they're gonna be more or less

2602
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:27,720
for families yes

2603
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:31,270
sir okay totally homeowners they own their property it's

2604
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:32,159
nothing like an

2605
02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:37,510
apartment and they're not very micro small these are good-

2606
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:41,520
sized homes okay

2607
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:48,180
thank you I see no other questions thank you ma'am Gary Glo

2608
02:05:48,180 --> 02:05:50,279
ver to be followed by

2609
02:05:50,279 --> 02:05:57,239
Daniel Kettler and you sir are marked on your card in

2610
02:05:57,239 --> 02:05:58,159
opposition if you'll give

2611
02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:04,159
her name Gary Glover 1501 Greens Point one of my biggest

2612
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:05,159
concerns is that my

2613
02:06:05,159 --> 02:06:09,859
house backs up directly to where this is going in it backs

2614
02:06:09,859 --> 02:06:11,439
up to the vacant lot

2615
02:06:11,439 --> 02:06:15,699
where I'm sitting sits up pretty high up on a hill even if

2616
02:06:15,699 --> 02:06:17,520
you build even as high

2617
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,260
up as I am if you're building three-story units like is

2618
02:06:20,260 --> 02:06:21,000
talked about

2619
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,590
that's still going to be looking down into my backyard

2620
02:06:23,590 --> 02:06:24,520
everyone else's

2621
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:29,569
backyard that's my home basically two-story okay fine that

2622
02:06:29,569 --> 02:06:30,880
's going to be

2623
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:33,640
about on an even par but three stories going to take away

2624
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:34,680
just about every bit

2625
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:40,550
of privacy that I have another issue has been has been

2626
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:41,800
talked about the traffic

2627
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:46,960
problems everything else miss gear I can testify to this

2628
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:49,039
also that they're on

2629
02:06:49,039 --> 02:06:52,220
Greens Point one of the problems that we have on weekends

2630
02:06:52,220 --> 02:06:53,279
is that Colorado

2631
02:06:53,279 --> 02:06:56,710
courts or waters edge apartments now on weekends people go

2632
02:06:56,710 --> 02:06:57,720
over to see their

2633
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,149
friends there's not enough guest parking over there they

2634
02:07:00,149 --> 02:07:01,039
park on the street all

2635
02:07:01,039 --> 02:07:04,029
the time now they're usually gone by Monday early Sunday

2636
02:07:04,029 --> 02:07:04,880
afternoon but

2637
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:07,430
there's a lot of parkings we've had to have come and have

2638
02:07:07,430 --> 02:07:08,439
to have people just

2639
02:07:08,439 --> 02:07:11,159
parked their vehicles and left them there and we've had to

2640
02:07:11,159 --> 02:07:11,960
have them towed

2641
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:16,210
eventually so I realized there will be additional parking

2642
02:07:16,210 --> 02:07:17,800
over here with the

2643
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:20,359
with townhomes but that's still probably going to end up

2644
02:07:20,359 --> 02:07:21,960
being a problem one of

2645
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:27,470
the questions that I had also was they said that these

2646
02:07:27,470 --> 02:07:28,960
would be comparable to

2647
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:34,409
the three-story units the street three-story townhomes that

2648
02:07:34,409 --> 02:07:34,960
were at I

2649
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:40,840
believe it's called 1450 Centerplace over behind Corinos

2650
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:42,520
one of the thing one

2651
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:45,510
of the questions I had is what about sanitation or is that

2652
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:46,239
's going to be

2653
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:49,239
individual pickup or they going to be dumpsters because the

2654
02:07:49,239 --> 02:07:50,239
ones over there on

2655
02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:56,859
Centerplace are dumpster usage another question that I have

2656
02:07:56,859 --> 02:07:58,199
again I sit up on a

2657
02:07:58,199 --> 02:08:01,979
hill is there's going to be an erosion problem there in

2658
02:08:01,979 --> 02:08:04,159
fact already is is this

2659
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:06,840
going to be something that's going to be dealt with by the

2660
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:07,760
city is this something

2661
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,579
I'm gonna have to deal with or is this something that the

2662
02:08:09,579 --> 02:08:10,279
development is going

2663
02:08:10,279 --> 02:08:14,449
to have to deal with depending on where they were all the

2664
02:08:14,449 --> 02:08:18,640
property lines are at I

2665
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:21,409
understand they're going to develop it I understood that

2666
02:08:21,409 --> 02:08:22,520
whenever I bought the

2667
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:31,279
home there and again townhomes are well not the worst thing

2668
02:08:31,279 --> 02:08:32,300
but again single

2669
02:08:32,300 --> 02:08:36,470
family detached would be a lot better given the traffic it

2670
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:37,640
's already going

2671
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:40,220
down Colorado especially whenever you're trying to get to

2672
02:08:40,220 --> 02:08:41,779
the loop turning down

2673
02:08:41,779 --> 02:08:47,250
San Jacinto is an option at times but if you're not going

2674
02:08:47,250 --> 02:08:49,199
that way as it is right

2675
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:51,729
now whenever I have to go to work it's easier for me to go

2676
02:08:51,729 --> 02:08:52,859
down San Jacinto go

2677
02:08:52,859 --> 02:08:55,869
up to Teasley and go back that way to get up on get up on

2678
02:08:55,869 --> 02:08:57,239
35 than it is to go

2679
02:08:57,239 --> 02:09:00,479
all the way down to to the loop and try and get on that

2680
02:09:00,479 --> 02:09:01,800
adding in more units

2681
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:05,970
like that I think is just gonna make the problem worse

2682
02:09:05,970 --> 02:09:10,479
thank you sir

2683
02:09:10,479 --> 02:09:16,939
next card I have is Daniel Kettler to be followed by Jerry

2684
02:09:16,939 --> 02:09:17,720
Rowan

2685
02:09:17,720 --> 02:09:27,470
Daniel Kettler 1925 Canyon Court when this development was

2686
02:09:27,470 --> 02:09:28,720
proposed my first

2687
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:32,890
question is why going from 6 to 12 when we have space

2688
02:09:32,890 --> 02:09:34,439
available in the city

2689
02:09:34,439 --> 02:09:40,270
that's already zoned to zone 12 I took the zoning map down

2690
02:09:40,270 --> 02:09:41,279
and I took a look at

2691
02:09:41,279 --> 02:09:44,000
a lot of the properties there's available property ready to

2692
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:44,960
go why change

2693
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:52,800
what we have so the existing six and our six properties are

2694
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:54,800
fantastic why can't

2695
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:57,039
they just be built around like it was intended which I didn

2696
02:09:57,039 --> 02:09:57,720
't even realize

2697
02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:00,890
until this meeting that that was apparently in the works

2698
02:10:00,890 --> 02:10:01,960
but it just fell

2699
02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:07,829
through if that were to happen I probably have a lot of my

2700
02:10:07,829 --> 02:10:08,079
arguments

2701
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:15,630
melt away so the density is an issue as has been mentioned

2702
02:10:15,630 --> 02:10:18,079
traffic I would think

2703
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,659
that we wouldn't want to be over stuffing the land we'd be

2704
02:10:20,659 --> 02:10:21,279
just getting

2705
02:10:21,279 --> 02:10:27,109
what the land is rated for now I live in Canyon Court so we

2706
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:29,119
have the in our three

2707
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:34,020
density and we're gonna be backing up to 10 to 12 that's

2708
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:35,079
quite a jump that's three

2709
02:10:35,079 --> 02:10:40,960
to four times even the six is it's a reasonable jump so I

2710
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:41,520
just think that

2711
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,640
that's a little aggressive I think the six has originally

2712
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,119
attended was probably

2713
02:10:46,119 --> 02:10:53,250
a better idea I would also like to echo that the amenities

2714
02:10:53,250 --> 02:10:53,760
that are being

2715
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:57,300
offered to us are kind of a that's kind of a hollow benefit

2716
02:10:57,300 --> 02:10:58,880
we didn't we bought

2717
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,960
our property without an HOA with a lot without a lot of

2718
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:03,039
these amenities

2719
02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:06,579
because we didn't really want so why do I want to take a

2720
02:11:06,579 --> 02:11:08,079
long path to come around

2721
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:12,000
my exit to come to a swimming pool I almost have to drive

2722
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,760
to get there it's

2723
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:16,880
not really a convenience there's really no way to put an

2724
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:18,159
access from our

2725
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:21,760
neighborhood into theirs because all the property is owned

2726
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,600
by the area homeowners

2727
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:28,840
we don't need the walking area we don't need a dog park

2728
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:30,199
then has the finest dog

2729
02:11:30,199 --> 02:11:33,500
park I've ever been to there's an excellent walking path

2730
02:11:33,500 --> 02:11:34,119
that runs

2731
02:11:34,119 --> 02:11:37,609
against the dent and a train that I use all the time there

2732
02:11:37,609 --> 02:11:38,600
's plenty of walking

2733
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:42,140
space these are things that we need we have a quiet

2734
02:11:42,140 --> 02:11:44,119
neighborhood we really do

2735
02:11:44,119 --> 02:11:49,989
like it that way I was also at that initial meeting and my

2736
02:11:49,989 --> 02:11:50,560
interpretation was

2737
02:11:50,560 --> 02:12:00,029
not 50/50 my my interpretation was 5 to 95 so regarding

2738
02:12:00,029 --> 02:12:01,279
this masonry wall that's

2739
02:12:01,279 --> 02:12:08,409
been proposed to explain this in my time it were four feet

2740
02:12:08,409 --> 02:12:11,239
below them at my fence

2741
02:12:11,239 --> 02:12:15,029
in six feet it rises four feet so when they begin

2742
02:12:15,029 --> 02:12:17,479
construction I'm already

2743
02:12:17,479 --> 02:12:21,470
looking at this this is going to be my view right here a

2744
02:12:21,470 --> 02:12:24,199
brick wall if you stand

2745
02:12:24,199 --> 02:12:27,539
six feet from my fence I can see below your knees now you

2746
02:12:27,539 --> 02:12:28,760
build three stories

2747
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:32,359
that's a skyscraper even at two stories that's still a

2748
02:12:32,359 --> 02:12:36,880
considerable reduction in

2749
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:40,729
view I don't get to see Colorado Parkway really but I do

2750
02:12:40,729 --> 02:12:42,119
get to see the sky so

2751
02:12:42,119 --> 02:12:49,039
it's really like building next to a roadway I kind of

2752
02:12:49,039 --> 02:12:51,079
disagree with the spot

2753
02:12:51,079 --> 02:12:54,979
rezoning of land to suit a seller that's trying to squeeze

2754
02:12:54,979 --> 02:12:56,239
something out of his

2755
02:12:56,239 --> 02:12:59,229
property or developer that's trying to squeeze more

2756
02:12:59,229 --> 02:13:01,680
property in it was zone 6

2757
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:06,489
why not leave it six it would work great this area that's I

2758
02:13:06,489 --> 02:13:07,439
'm sorry we don't have

2759
02:13:07,439 --> 02:13:13,310
a map can't show you it's like 95% and our six and this

2760
02:13:13,310 --> 02:13:14,800
small sliver I'm sorry

2761
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:18,590
and our three and a small sliver of six and now you want to

2762
02:13:18,590 --> 02:13:20,000
kind of package this

2763
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:24,229
the shoe warn is 12 in there I just don't think it's right

2764
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:25,680
for the area for

2765
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:31,079
traffic for all that I really don't have a problem

2766
02:13:31,079 --> 02:13:37,239
thank you for your comments next speakers Jerry Rowan in

2767
02:13:37,239 --> 02:13:38,840
opposition to be

2768
02:13:38,840 --> 02:13:45,319
followed by Jeanette gear in opposition good afternoon my

2769
02:13:45,319 --> 02:13:46,319
name is Jerry Rowan

2770
02:13:46,319 --> 02:13:52,189
2316 Claremont Lane I was wasn't at the first meeting

2771
02:13:52,189 --> 02:13:52,640
because I didn't know

2772
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:58,510
anything about the first meeting but anyway my big concern

2773
02:13:58,510 --> 02:13:59,920
is the traffic

2774
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:05,960
flow and there's several issues that I have concerns about

2775
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:06,960
him my neighbors

2776
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:12,090
have concerns about and first of all the last I heard was

2777
02:14:12,090 --> 02:14:14,920
there was a plan to run

2778
02:14:14,920 --> 02:14:20,789
traffic all the way through and even with the what they

2779
02:14:20,789 --> 02:14:22,800
call in the crash gate

2780
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:26,779
that's not an alternative if something was happened like

2781
02:14:26,779 --> 02:14:27,960
you said he had an

2782
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:33,670
accident up on San Jacinto or whatever you know people used

2783
02:14:33,670 --> 02:14:34,439
to still couldn't

2784
02:14:34,439 --> 02:14:37,659
get through there to get out unless you're an emergency

2785
02:14:37,659 --> 02:14:39,800
vehicle so I think

2786
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:45,670
that should be that should not be even considered and the

2787
02:14:45,670 --> 02:14:47,840
other thing is coming

2788
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:53,289
off of San Jacinto that when you turn it back going back to

2789
02:14:53,289 --> 02:14:54,800
the east toward

2790
02:14:54,800 --> 02:15:00,630
Briarwick or Cavender that when you turn there it's it's a

2791
02:15:00,630 --> 02:15:01,479
blind spot I don't

2792
02:15:01,479 --> 02:15:05,649
know how much the engineers have been out there researching

2793
02:15:05,649 --> 02:15:06,800
looking at that

2794
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:10,079
you know I'm sure they have but anyway that is it's

2795
02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:13,119
dangerous there you have to

2796
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:17,489
because people coming coming back to the West and coming

2797
02:15:17,489 --> 02:15:18,920
going to work in the

2798
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:22,319
mornings you better be careful because they don't stop

2799
02:15:22,319 --> 02:15:23,279
because there's not a

2800
02:15:23,279 --> 02:15:29,800
stop sign there so anyway it's it's it's a concern about

2801
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:34,000
safety and the other

2802
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:41,560
thing is that street is not wide enough like she was

2803
02:15:41,560 --> 02:15:43,079
talking earlier about you

2804
02:15:43,079 --> 02:15:46,699
know people have to park out there because a Cavender Briar

2805
02:15:46,699 --> 02:15:47,359
wick are not

2806
02:15:47,359 --> 02:15:52,100
wide enough to park on the street so that's out so that's a

2807
02:15:52,100 --> 02:15:53,840
big concern but

2808
02:15:53,840 --> 02:16:00,170
the safety issue of getting in and out I think it's bad

2809
02:16:00,170 --> 02:16:01,680
idea even considering

2810
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:06,399
that so but everything else has already been talked about

2811
02:16:06,399 --> 02:16:07,600
that I had concerns

2812
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:12,029
about so I won't waste y'all's time but I appreciate your

2813
02:16:12,029 --> 02:16:14,039
time and thank you

2814
02:16:14,039 --> 02:16:18,600
very much thank you sir for coming out this evening

2815
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:27,640
next part I have is Janik gear in opposition

2816
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:34,750
clearly my handwriting is much worse than I thought it's

2817
02:16:34,750 --> 02:16:37,680
Derek apologies Derek

2818
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:42,950
gear I should put my glasses on sooner 1512 Greens Point

2819
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:44,319
Drive I'm sorry

2820
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:48,489
Greens Point Circle came to speak in opposition some of it

2821
02:16:48,489 --> 02:16:49,680
was allayed by the

2822
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:54,329
description the staff of a I think it's 10 10 per acre

2823
02:16:54,329 --> 02:16:56,319
overlay requirement and

2824
02:16:56,319 --> 02:17:01,209
that that that allayed some of my concern I'm going to

2825
02:17:01,209 --> 02:17:02,760
repeat some concern

2826
02:17:02,760 --> 02:17:06,190
with the traffic as we come out of our cul-de-sac although

2827
02:17:06,190 --> 02:17:07,239
when you look at it

2828
02:17:07,239 --> 02:17:11,600
on the map here Colorado looks like a flat gentle curve but

2829
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:12,440
in reality there's

2830
02:17:12,440 --> 02:17:15,930
a dip in a blind curve so you're coming out and you're like

2831
02:17:15,930 --> 02:17:17,040
going okay is there

2832
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:19,629
someone coming because you can't see below that dip so

2833
02:17:19,629 --> 02:17:20,639
there's a little bit

2834
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:24,809
more to it than just the just what it looks like on the

2835
02:17:24,809 --> 02:17:27,280
linear linear map let

2836
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:29,670
me see if I gotta make sure I don't cover anything my wife

2837
02:17:29,670 --> 02:17:31,399
's already covered

2838
02:17:31,399 --> 02:17:39,200
can we get a crash gate okay no I think that's that pretty

2839
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:40,120
much covers it but I

2840
02:17:40,120 --> 02:17:43,280
appreciate your time thank you for coming out this evening

2841
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:45,159
I have some

2842
02:17:45,159 --> 02:17:48,270
additional cards that did not wish to speak and I'm just

2843
02:17:48,270 --> 02:17:49,479
going to read those

2844
02:17:49,479 --> 02:17:56,600
into the record have Collette Brandon 1921 Canyon in

2845
02:17:56,600 --> 02:18:02,639
opposition then have Nate

2846
02:18:02,959 --> 02:18:11,149
Brandon at 1921 Canyon in opposition and then I have Lisa K

2847
02:18:11,149 --> 02:18:13,840
ettler 1925 Canyon

2848
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:18,969
in opposition and then as part of our backup we did have a

2849
02:18:18,969 --> 02:18:20,959
letter from the HOA

2850
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:26,209
and so that's already is part of our record and so that is

2851
02:18:26,209 --> 02:18:27,680
part of our

2852
02:18:27,680 --> 02:18:32,840
neighborhood comments this is a public hearing so anyone

2853
02:18:32,840 --> 02:18:34,000
else who would like to

2854
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:39,239
speak on this item please come forward at this time please

2855
02:18:39,239 --> 02:18:40,040
come up to the mic

2856
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:44,309
so the folks that are at home and the recording can get

2857
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:47,799
your comments can you

2858
02:18:47,799 --> 02:18:50,790
give us your name again so they'll know sorry Linda Dudley

2859
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:54,840
1916 Cavender again

2860
02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:59,590
about our straight Claremont we own that street that is not

2861
02:18:59,590 --> 02:19:01,399
a city street and we

2862
02:19:01,399 --> 02:19:04,809
do not want that to be used for this new subdivision I just

2863
02:19:04,809 --> 02:19:05,959
want to make sure

2864
02:19:05,959 --> 02:19:09,809
that was a clear thing and I don't know about this crash

2865
02:19:09,809 --> 02:19:11,719
gate you know who could

2866
02:19:11,719 --> 02:19:15,000
come who could use it whatever but I just wanted to make

2867
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:16,360
sure y'all understood

2868
02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:22,010
we do not approve of that okay make sure everybody is clear

2869
02:19:22,010 --> 02:19:24,399
on that for private

2870
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:28,569
vehicles or public like trash trucks and anything you have

2871
02:19:28,569 --> 02:19:30,079
city trash trucks

2872
02:19:30,079 --> 02:19:32,149
coming there now correct when you're in your neighborhood

2873
02:19:32,149 --> 02:19:34,360
we do okay so the ones

2874
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:37,430
that you're concerned about is fire trucks coming in there

2875
02:19:37,430 --> 02:19:38,280
or private

2876
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:45,510
vehicles we just want to make sure that it is not used by

2877
02:19:45,510 --> 02:19:46,840
this subdivision

2878
02:19:46,840 --> 02:19:51,069
understand and we may have staff and I know there was a

2879
02:19:51,069 --> 02:19:52,879
couple people making

2880
02:19:52,879 --> 02:19:55,100
some comments and I couldn't tell up here from city staff

2881
02:19:55,100 --> 02:19:55,840
maybe I can give

2882
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:00,010
some additional feedback about this crash gate emergency

2883
02:20:00,010 --> 02:20:00,879
gate let's get the

2884
02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:08,000
correct term so we're all using the right wording I've

2885
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:11,200
actually heard it

2886
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:14,760
both ways I've heard it as a crash gate and I've heard it

2887
02:20:14,760 --> 02:20:15,760
as an emergency gate

2888
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:22,020
and these are it depends on the city they're locked and if

2889
02:20:22,020 --> 02:20:23,959
there if there's a

2890
02:20:23,959 --> 02:20:27,340
key access and there's something called Knox box that that

2891
02:20:27,340 --> 02:20:29,000
the fire only the

2892
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:33,809
fire and EMS have access to are they it's electronic where

2893
02:20:33,809 --> 02:20:35,360
only fire and EMS

2894
02:20:35,360 --> 02:20:40,069
have have the way to get into it okay Mr. Lee does that

2895
02:20:40,069 --> 02:20:41,559
help clarify who would

2896
02:20:41,559 --> 02:20:45,680
have access yeah great and we can use either term and we're

2897
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:47,479
in good races all

2898
02:20:47,479 --> 02:20:54,610
right either one emergency access emergency access well I'm

2899
02:20:54,610 --> 02:20:55,440
old and

2900
02:20:55,440 --> 02:21:01,920
getting short and I'll try to get a new term here again

2901
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:03,600
this is a public hearing

2902
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,590
anyone else who would like to speak please come forward at

2903
02:21:06,590 --> 02:21:07,959
this time and I

2904
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:12,440
don't have any more cards but you you're welcome not to

2905
02:21:12,440 --> 02:21:13,600
turn one in because our

2906
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:17,270
homeowner president was going to speak you're welcome to

2907
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:18,319
speak just fill out a

2908
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:22,489
card for us before you leave the city the blue card yes my

2909
02:21:22,489 --> 02:21:22,840
name is Martha

2910
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:27,750
Henderson I live at 1917 Piney Creek Boulevard in Piney

2911
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:28,639
Creek there was a

2912
02:21:28,639 --> 02:21:35,329
piney Creek I'm not understanding why about this crash gate

2913
02:21:35,329 --> 02:21:36,479
or whatever I'm

2914
02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:40,649
not understanding we don't need it to be a crash gate if

2915
02:21:40,649 --> 02:21:41,719
anyone in our

2916
02:21:41,719 --> 02:21:44,709
neighborhood needs an emergency they can come into our

2917
02:21:44,709 --> 02:21:46,760
neighborhood why do why

2918
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:49,750
does this subdivision need a crash gate to come through our

2919
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:50,600
neighborhood when

2920
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:55,079
they have access to Colorado or to San Jacinto which was

2921
02:21:55,079 --> 02:21:58,760
what mr. Schmidt said

2922
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:01,129
that he was going to look into instead of going through Cl

2923
02:22:01,129 --> 02:22:02,000
aremont he was going

2924
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:05,399
to go through see if he could access San Jacinto through

2925
02:22:05,399 --> 02:22:06,680
the between the bowling

2926
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:11,950
alley and the office the doctor's office building so that's

2927
02:22:11,950 --> 02:22:12,360
what I'm not

2928
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:15,159
understanding why they are so adamant that they want to

2929
02:22:15,159 --> 02:22:16,200
come in through our

2930
02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:20,559
neighborhood emergency vehicle into their neighborhood when

2931
02:22:20,559 --> 02:22:22,000
they have will

2932
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:27,879
have two interest in off of Colorado that's what I'm not

2933
02:22:27,879 --> 02:22:29,159
understanding let me

2934
02:22:29,159 --> 02:22:33,120
let me call on Cindy thank you for coming up and you might

2935
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:33,760
ma'am if you

2936
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:36,069
don't mind stay I've got a question for you I mean if we

2937
02:22:36,069 --> 02:22:37,079
can get up and answer

2938
02:22:37,079 --> 02:22:41,250
your question first well I'm not sure what the fire code

2939
02:22:41,250 --> 02:22:41,959
was when their

2940
02:22:41,959 --> 02:22:45,549
neighborhood was built but today the fire code requires two

2941
02:22:45,549 --> 02:22:46,639
points of access

2942
02:22:46,639 --> 02:22:51,989
into a subdivision and they will only have one driveway

2943
02:22:51,989 --> 02:22:54,159
along Colorado if that

2944
02:22:54,159 --> 02:22:59,989
driveway gets blocked by an accident or something there is

2945
02:22:59,989 --> 02:23:01,159
there would be no way

2946
02:23:01,159 --> 02:23:05,329
to get in there so the crash gate in a situation like that

2947
02:23:05,329 --> 02:23:06,559
the emergency access

2948
02:23:06,559 --> 02:23:11,299
gate would be used to get into that area and it goes both

2949
02:23:11,299 --> 02:23:13,280
ways it is a benefit to

2950
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:17,149
these these people as well if their only entrance is

2951
02:23:17,149 --> 02:23:20,920
blocked then emergency

2952
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:25,629
medical service and police can get through from Colorado

2953
02:23:25,629 --> 02:23:26,600
into their

2954
02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:33,729
subdivision and and it gives them aid does that help with

2955
02:23:33,729 --> 02:23:36,479
the reason why thank

2956
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:41,200
you ma'am this is a public hearing Commissioner

2957
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:50,950
Rossell you had a question it's actually for miss Jackson I

2958
02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:52,040
appreciate your

2959
02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:55,170
clarification the emergency access gate just to further

2960
02:23:55,170 --> 02:23:57,879
clarify our how did that

2961
02:23:57,879 --> 02:24:01,040
subdivision get built without a second point of access and

2962
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:02,159
are they currently

2963
02:24:02,159 --> 02:24:07,709
out of code I wasn't here when they were built they they

2964
02:24:07,709 --> 02:24:08,600
have been there for

2965
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:12,959
quite a while and my thought is is that the fire code just

2966
02:24:12,959 --> 02:24:13,899
didn't require the

2967
02:24:13,899 --> 02:24:17,760
second point of access and they did anticipate in the

2968
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:18,799
future that they would

2969
02:24:18,799 --> 02:24:21,790
have a second point of access because the subject site was

2970
02:24:21,790 --> 02:24:22,440
supposed to be

2971
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:26,440
phased to and connect to Colorado sure I appreciate that

2972
02:24:26,440 --> 02:24:27,639
and my brother is a

2973
02:24:27,639 --> 02:24:31,280
didn't firefighter and I know the importance of having two

2974
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:32,280
access points to

2975
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:34,930
make sure that there is an emergency or fire in the house

2976
02:24:34,930 --> 02:24:36,360
there's multiple ways

2977
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:40,530
in exactly the other question I have is can this new

2978
02:24:40,530 --> 02:24:42,280
potential subdivision that

2979
02:24:42,280 --> 02:24:45,750
we're looking at on the rezone be built without acts having

2980
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:48,600
access to Claremont

2981
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:52,959
they would have to find some way to get a second access

2982
02:24:52,959 --> 02:24:55,280
somewhere right now they

2983
02:24:55,280 --> 02:25:00,629
can't get access to Santa Cinto the the vacant lot that's

2984
02:25:00,629 --> 02:25:01,920
adjacent to them is

2985
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:06,840
actually the site of a future hotel the bowling alley we're

2986
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:07,799
not sure they will

2987
02:25:07,799 --> 02:25:11,540
give them access because when the hotel asked the bowling

2988
02:25:11,540 --> 02:25:12,920
alley to connect the

2989
02:25:12,920 --> 02:25:16,620
bowling alley refused so we we don't anticipate that that

2990
02:25:16,620 --> 02:25:17,680
they'll let this

2991
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:21,690
particular this site connect to them either okay that's

2992
02:25:21,690 --> 02:25:22,680
most helpful thank you

2993
02:25:22,680 --> 02:25:27,049
Cindy I've got a question for you yes sir at the mic what's

2994
02:25:27,049 --> 02:25:27,920
the difference in

2995
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:32,280
the parking requirements for the NR six versus the NR MU I

2996
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:33,920
know and there's a

2997
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:37,870
18 by 18 pad that has to be with an NR six and I think

2998
02:25:37,870 --> 02:25:39,600
there's some revisions

2999
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:42,590
coming on that what's the difference between NR six and NR

3000
02:25:42,590 --> 02:25:44,319
MU 12 it's bit

3001
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:48,090
for parking it's based on use so if it's a residential use

3002
02:25:48,090 --> 02:25:49,120
they have to have

3003
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:53,350
space for two two cars just like in our six so there's

3004
02:25:53,350 --> 02:25:54,280
correct so they have to

3005
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:57,639
be the parking requirement for either zoning is the same

3006
02:25:57,639 --> 02:25:58,319
that's correct okay

3007
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:03,510
thank you for a single-family attached and detached yeah

3008
02:26:03,510 --> 02:26:04,559
exactly so it doesn't

3009
02:26:04,559 --> 02:26:08,840
make a difference okay okay thank you for the clarification

3010
02:26:08,840 --> 02:26:13,120
sorry we're gonna

3011
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:16,610
need to get you a chair sit right here beside I'm sorry I

3012
02:26:16,610 --> 02:26:17,239
've got a couple more

3013
02:26:17,239 --> 02:26:21,760
questions for you for heads up here Commissioner Sanchez so

3014
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:22,719
I don't on

3015
02:26:22,719 --> 02:26:25,819
Colorado they can only have one exit they based on what I'm

3016
02:26:25,819 --> 02:26:26,520
seeing here

3017
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:29,889
they've got a pretty large frontage right so they can only

3018
02:26:29,889 --> 02:26:31,000
have one they can

3019
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:34,959
only have one access we've already met with the traffic

3020
02:26:34,959 --> 02:26:36,200
engineer about that and

3021
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:41,549
they can have just one access because of the median that is

3022
02:26:41,549 --> 02:26:43,079
closer to the the

3023
02:26:43,079 --> 02:26:47,739
intersection of San Jacinto that prevents them from having

3024
02:26:47,739 --> 02:26:49,319
any exit there

3025
02:26:49,319 --> 02:26:52,049
which is where they had originally planned and they need to

3026
02:26:52,049 --> 02:26:53,000
have it further

3027
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:57,920
to the west and they will need to provide right turn lane

3028
02:26:57,920 --> 02:26:59,239
and left turn

3029
02:26:59,239 --> 02:27:02,819
lane so that there's lots of access but not yeah there only

3030
02:27:02,819 --> 02:27:03,840
be permitted one

3031
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:17,920
okay my other question was um no I've got one other

3032
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:18,719
question maybe it'll come

3033
02:27:18,719 --> 02:27:22,950
back commissioner back thank you chair thanks Cindy

3034
02:27:22,950 --> 02:27:24,520
question that I think was

3035
02:27:24,520 --> 02:27:29,079
expressed by some of the people who live in that community

3036
02:27:29,079 --> 02:27:30,399
was that if we do

3037
02:27:30,399 --> 02:27:35,909
rezone this to NRMU 12 and mr. Smith's decides for some

3038
02:27:35,909 --> 02:27:37,120
reason he doesn't want

3039
02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:42,020
to build and takes off just hypothetically speaking then

3040
02:27:42,020 --> 02:27:42,120
the

3041
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:45,489
concern would be that now they could come in and build

3042
02:27:45,489 --> 02:27:46,799
multi-family so if

3043
02:27:46,799 --> 02:27:49,549
we're gonna prove this with the overlay my question would

3044
02:27:49,549 --> 02:27:51,360
be in that event could

3045
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:54,360
we keep the overlay oh the overlay runs with the land not

3046
02:27:54,360 --> 02:27:55,200
with the property

3047
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:58,959
all right I know we've been over this before but I just

3048
02:27:58,959 --> 02:28:00,600
want to make sure that

3049
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:04,200
wouldn't go away no okay the only way it would go away is

3050
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:05,079
if somebody tried to

3051
02:28:05,079 --> 02:28:08,100
rezone it and take it away and we have to look at it all

3052
02:28:08,100 --> 02:28:09,559
over again yep okay

3053
02:28:09,559 --> 02:28:12,549
thank you another question for you Commissioner Sanchez I

3054
02:28:12,549 --> 02:28:12,959
finally

3055
02:28:12,959 --> 02:28:16,799
remembered we've had a lot of concern about you know

3056
02:28:16,799 --> 02:28:18,600
traffic can you address

3057
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:22,770
that a little bit to for the public here so they understand

3058
02:28:22,770 --> 02:28:24,319
what what the

3059
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:28,489
category of that road is and is there any future

3060
02:28:28,489 --> 02:28:30,479
considerations of widening it

3061
02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:34,920
or anything like that right now it's secondary arterial

3062
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:35,680
arterial is our

3063
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:41,909
second largest category of street it's four lanes and to

3064
02:28:41,909 --> 02:28:43,680
the best of my

3065
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:48,399
knowledge that there's no plans to widen it at this time

3066
02:28:48,399 --> 02:28:50,479
okay I just want to make

3067
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:56,350
sure sure and his San Jacinto is the same classification in

3068
02:28:56,350 --> 02:28:58,840
size I see no

3069
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:05,479
other questions okay thank you yes sir if you have another

3070
02:29:05,479 --> 02:29:06,479
common well I'll I

3071
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:10,649
use chair to we typically give one comment per resident but

3072
02:29:10,649 --> 02:29:11,280
I'll make an

3073
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:14,639
exception for you please state your name and Jerry rolling

3074
02:29:14,639 --> 02:29:16,319
2316 Claremont Lake

3075
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:25,129
my question was if you want access to Claremont or to Piney

3076
02:29:25,129 --> 02:29:28,159
Creek those roads

3077
02:29:28,159 --> 02:29:33,389
were never taken over by the city so they belong to the HOA

3078
02:29:33,389 --> 02:29:35,719
so if y'all are

3079
02:29:35,719 --> 02:29:41,270
assisting on access is the city gonna take these roads over

3080
02:29:41,270 --> 02:29:42,920
I'll let staff

3081
02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:47,680
address that one we again we're sort of premature in that

3082
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:49,280
that discussion until

3083
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:53,450
we get to platting we we really won't know to be quite

3084
02:29:53,450 --> 02:29:55,479
honest I can tell you

3085
02:29:55,479 --> 02:30:00,920
though we're not maybe Victor can chime in but but I don't

3086
02:30:00,920 --> 02:30:02,239
know if we've ever

3087
02:30:02,239 --> 02:30:06,159
forced traffic onto a private access way particularly when

3088
02:30:06,159 --> 02:30:07,680
it's plotted as a as a

3089
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:10,260
private access way I think the only rights that the city

3090
02:30:10,260 --> 02:30:11,120
has when I looked

3091
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:13,889
at the plat was for a murder you know for police fire

3092
02:30:13,889 --> 02:30:15,399
garbage otherwise it is

3093
02:30:15,399 --> 02:30:23,639
as you stated your your private street okay thank you okay

3094
02:30:23,639 --> 02:30:26,920
thank you sir this

3095
02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:29,600
is a public hearing anyone else who would like to speak on

3096
02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:30,319
this item please

3097
02:30:30,319 --> 02:30:33,280
please come forward

3098
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:50,600
Lisa Kettler 1925 Canyon Court and I have a few questions

3099
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:53,920
on the masonry wall

3100
02:30:53,920 --> 02:31:01,049
I'd like to know what is the highest allowable wall per

3101
02:31:01,049 --> 02:31:04,079
city code and I would

3102
02:31:04,079 --> 02:31:13,159
also like to know at what what grade point the wall would

3103
02:31:13,159 --> 02:31:15,280
be built on because

3104
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:21,309
we're about four feet lower than the field behind us so

3105
02:31:21,309 --> 02:31:22,520
would it be built on

3106
02:31:22,520 --> 02:31:27,360
that side or on the higher side and if it's built on the

3107
02:31:27,360 --> 02:31:29,079
higher side and we

3108
02:31:29,079 --> 02:31:33,250
keep our fence who is responsible for maintaining the land

3109
02:31:33,250 --> 02:31:34,680
about seven feet in

3110
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:41,649
between and also if the wall falls into disrepair what is

3111
02:31:41,649 --> 02:31:44,600
the procedure for us to

3112
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:49,659
go about getting that fixed I see Cindy digging in the book

3113
02:31:49,659 --> 02:31:56,120
over there so the

3114
02:31:56,120 --> 02:31:59,899
maximum permitted height of a wall or fence be it on an

3115
02:31:59,899 --> 02:32:01,840
interior lot line is a

3116
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:09,469
feat and the responsibility for the maintenance would be on

3117
02:32:09,469 --> 02:32:10,600
the the property

3118
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:15,719
owner for the seven foot strip that's correct it would the

3119
02:32:15,719 --> 02:32:16,680
developer property

3120
02:32:16,680 --> 02:32:22,549
owner of the townhouses and is there a through code

3121
02:32:22,549 --> 02:32:24,520
enforcement as far as the

3122
02:32:24,520 --> 02:32:27,940
maintenance of the fence is there a requirement on that or

3123
02:32:27,940 --> 02:32:28,920
that would fall

3124
02:32:28,920 --> 02:32:31,909
in code enforcement city didn't that that would be the

3125
02:32:31,909 --> 02:32:32,620
property maintenance

3126
02:32:32,620 --> 02:32:36,879
code that code enforcement enforces community improvement

3127
02:32:36,879 --> 02:32:38,639
okay if you have

3128
02:32:38,639 --> 02:32:40,659
an additional question if you'll please come to the

3129
02:32:40,659 --> 02:32:41,920
microphone so we can get you

3130
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:45,379
on for those that are watching at home okay so if it falls

3131
02:32:45,379 --> 02:32:46,120
into district

3132
02:32:46,120 --> 02:32:52,540
disrepair who do I go to the I'm not sure who I'm sure I'm

3133
02:32:52,540 --> 02:32:54,520
sorry use terms

3134
02:32:54,520 --> 02:32:56,709
back and forth that we're familiar with the code

3135
02:32:56,709 --> 02:32:58,319
enforcement department within

3136
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:03,069
the city didn't is who you would make a complaint to and

3137
02:33:03,069 --> 02:33:04,719
they would then contact

3138
02:33:04,719 --> 02:33:07,879
the property owner and give them a notice that the fence is

3139
02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:08,680
in disrepair

3140
02:33:08,680 --> 02:33:12,040
and they need to have it repaired okay thank you you bet

3141
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:12,520
thank you for coming

3142
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:17,479
out this evening again this is a public hearing I'll make

3143
02:33:17,479 --> 02:33:18,639
one more exception we

3144
02:33:18,639 --> 02:33:21,760
typically allow one one opportunity to speak but please

3145
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:22,280
come forward this

3146
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:24,309
evening I know this is a lot of people have come out and we

3147
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:25,040
'll make sure that

3148
02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:28,350
we get all the comments on the record so short last time

3149
02:33:28,350 --> 02:33:29,559
Derek gear 1512

3150
02:33:29,559 --> 02:33:32,149
Greenspoint Circle just a question based on the

3151
02:33:32,149 --> 02:33:33,680
requirements for the fire code to

3152
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:38,399
have two accesses whether this is rezoned or not once this

3153
02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:40,079
land is developed they

3154
02:33:40,079 --> 02:33:45,649
will need a second access and clarinet is the only one okay

3155
02:33:45,649 --> 02:33:46,399
just clarify if I

3156
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:49,860
could just know that staff maybe you want to clarify my my

3157
02:33:49,860 --> 02:33:51,399
head non there

3158
02:33:51,399 --> 02:33:54,670
there are certain exact you know they if there are there's

3159
02:33:54,670 --> 02:33:55,799
if there's less than

3160
02:33:55,799 --> 02:33:59,239
30 30 homes or less I think they can have one access point

3161
02:33:59,239 --> 02:34:00,079
again I'm not I'm

3162
02:34:00,079 --> 02:34:03,229
not going to speak on behalf of the fire marshal but I know

3163
02:34:03,229 --> 02:34:04,399
there are exemptions

3164
02:34:04,399 --> 02:34:08,959
with respect to that in addition there's also the ability

3165
02:34:08,959 --> 02:34:11,200
to sprinkle if they put

3166
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:14,280
fire sprinklers in so there are ways that that they could

3167
02:34:14,280 --> 02:34:15,440
mitigate again very

3168
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:20,059
expensive to sprinkle those units but there are different

3169
02:34:20,059 --> 02:34:21,280
sort of mitigation

3170
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:24,270
options that that could be done but again we're sort of

3171
02:34:24,270 --> 02:34:27,079
early early on on the

3172
02:34:27,079 --> 02:34:33,000
stage for that to decide right now Commissioner back thank

3173
02:34:33,000 --> 02:34:34,280
you chair if the

3174
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:38,450
applicant would come back up a quick question for him one

3175
02:34:38,450 --> 02:34:40,280
of the residents

3176
02:34:40,280 --> 02:34:43,510
over in the garden homes ask how are you going to dispose

3177
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:44,799
of your trash it's

3178
02:34:44,799 --> 02:34:48,750
gonna be individual pickup like they have or their dump

3179
02:34:48,750 --> 02:34:49,319
sters per the city

3180
02:34:49,319 --> 02:34:54,219
either way whichever is required of us okay meet that okay

3181
02:34:54,219 --> 02:34:55,040
and well I've got

3182
02:34:55,040 --> 02:35:00,920
you up here probably to respond to Lisa's concern would you

3183
02:35:00,920 --> 02:35:02,040
be available if

3184
02:35:02,040 --> 02:35:05,750
the walls in disrepair would you invite that they call you

3185
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:06,719
first before the

3186
02:35:06,719 --> 02:35:09,350
usual we would in fact that information available to them

3187
02:35:09,350 --> 02:35:10,040
where they could do

3188
02:35:10,040 --> 02:35:14,389
that absolutely and in fact they're anticipating a small HO

3189
02:35:14,389 --> 02:35:15,120
A to build

3190
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:18,170
reserves for the seasonal flowers as well as maintenance of

3191
02:35:18,170 --> 02:35:19,319
the grounds which

3192
02:35:19,319 --> 02:35:23,239
would include the wall entrances and that sort of thing

3193
02:35:23,239 --> 02:35:25,739
thank you I have an

3194
02:35:25,739 --> 02:35:28,760
additional question and in trying to listen to some of the

3195
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:29,879
neighbor concerns

3196
02:35:29,879 --> 02:35:34,049
you stated you you all were open to doing two-story against

3197
02:35:34,049 --> 02:35:34,799
existing

3198
02:35:34,799 --> 02:35:39,159
neighborhoods yes sir we have in the options are given

3199
02:35:39,159 --> 02:35:40,559
before us here by city

3200
02:35:40,559 --> 02:35:44,000
staff an overlay and a number of requirements would that be

3201
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:44,280
another

3202
02:35:44,280 --> 02:35:49,000
requirement that you all would be open to of us adding to

3203
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:50,319
the overlay to

3204
02:35:50,319 --> 02:35:55,040
restrict those to a two-story height and looking at the lot

3205
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:58,479
depth on in our six

3206
02:35:58,479 --> 02:36:02,180
in NREMU 12 which are the what you're currently to what you

3207
02:36:02,180 --> 02:36:03,159
're proposing

3208
02:36:03,159 --> 02:36:08,809
they're both 80 feet so if we made a requirement of two-

3209
02:36:08,809 --> 02:36:10,440
story on 80 feet of

3210
02:36:10,440 --> 02:36:14,940
budding adjacent properties would you all be open to that I

3211
02:36:14,940 --> 02:36:15,799
think if they're

3212
02:36:15,799 --> 02:36:20,690
there continuous to that we would yes yes and I think we

3213
02:36:20,690 --> 02:36:22,000
tried to convey that

3214
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:26,479
to those neighbors as well but absolutely so you're okay

3215
02:36:26,479 --> 02:36:27,200
with us doing

3216
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:29,409
that and try to ones that give them some protection to

3217
02:36:29,409 --> 02:36:31,200
their neighborhoods of yes

3218
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:34,739
sir and be no different than a two-story house next door

3219
02:36:34,739 --> 02:36:36,719
correct okay thank you

3220
02:36:36,719 --> 02:36:41,260
for being willing to accept that additional requirement in

3221
02:36:41,260 --> 02:36:41,920
the overlay

3222
02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:45,559
another question Commissioner Rozelle this will probably be

3223
02:36:45,559 --> 02:36:46,479
for city sorry

3224
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:49,000
Cindy

3225
02:36:53,159 --> 02:36:57,040
just one clarification under the current zoning of NR six

3226
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:58,360
by right can a

3227
02:36:58,360 --> 02:37:00,950
developer go in and build a three-story house on all

3228
02:37:00,950 --> 02:37:03,040
properties I come into that

3229
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:06,959
40 foot they don't surpass the 40 foot height they could

3230
02:37:06,959 --> 02:37:08,520
okay thank you I don't

3231
02:37:08,520 --> 02:37:11,510
know if that's you know yeah I don't know if that's

3232
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:12,760
possible but they could

3233
02:37:12,760 --> 02:37:16,930
but if we decline the zoning recase the applicant or anyone

3234
02:37:16,930 --> 02:37:18,120
else could come in

3235
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:21,680
under the inner six and put three stories along all I can

3236
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:23,079
take you is my right it

3237
02:37:23,079 --> 02:37:27,069
would never come to us they could just go to it okay thank

3238
02:37:27,069 --> 02:37:27,959
you

3239
02:37:28,920 --> 02:37:32,469
again this is a public hearing anyone else who would like

3240
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:33,799
to speak on this

3241
02:37:33,799 --> 02:37:41,799
item please come forward sure one final exception and I'll

3242
02:37:41,799 --> 02:37:42,360
come across the

3243
02:37:42,360 --> 02:37:45,420
public hearing after this I just don't think it was ever

3244
02:37:45,420 --> 02:37:46,040
clarified you'll give

3245
02:37:46,040 --> 02:37:49,149
us your name and Daniel Kettler 1925 Canyon Court I don't

3246
02:37:49,149 --> 02:37:49,799
think it was ever

3247
02:37:49,799 --> 02:37:53,739
clarified where this wall is going to go no one ever said

3248
02:37:53,739 --> 02:37:55,280
it's at the top of the

3249
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:59,559
or the higher grade or the lower grade so if an eight-foot

3250
02:37:59,559 --> 02:38:01,319
wall which we've now

3251
02:38:01,319 --> 02:38:07,319
established is the largest is built at the lower grade it's

3252
02:38:07,319 --> 02:38:08,000
effectively a

3253
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:12,559
four-foot fence not really much of a fence it's built up

3254
02:38:12,559 --> 02:38:14,520
there that makes a

3255
02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:18,930
difference so there's been no clarification also one of the

3256
02:38:18,930 --> 02:38:19,319
thing is

3257
02:38:19,319 --> 02:38:23,750
you meant something that you just mentioned that if if this

3258
02:38:23,750 --> 02:38:24,879
gentleman does

3259
02:38:24,879 --> 02:38:28,489
not choose to go ahead with this development and all of

3260
02:38:28,489 --> 02:38:29,360
this pushes

3261
02:38:29,360 --> 02:38:35,190
forward to the next developer everything that you know that

3262
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:35,879
all this goodwill

3263
02:38:35,879 --> 02:38:40,049
these get goodwill items are they going to be set in stone

3264
02:38:40,049 --> 02:38:40,879
that somebody else

3265
02:38:40,879 --> 02:38:45,049
has to follow through with all these points the only things

3266
02:38:45,049 --> 02:38:45,799
that will be

3267
02:38:45,799 --> 02:38:48,079
following through and that's why I'm mentioning the

3268
02:38:48,079 --> 02:38:49,760
possibility of a two-story

3269
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:53,049
requirement is what goes in this overlay okay if it's not

3270
02:38:53,049 --> 02:38:53,680
specifically

3271
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:57,399
called out in this overlay on the zoning to your point it

3272
02:38:57,399 --> 02:38:58,799
is just good words and

3273
02:38:58,799 --> 02:39:01,790
that's it okay that's what I would like that that's why we

3274
02:39:01,790 --> 02:39:04,000
're trying to take

3275
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:08,549
some of these concerns that are being expressed here and

3276
02:39:08,549 --> 02:39:09,860
possibly if the

3277
02:39:09,860 --> 02:39:14,030
Commission is so inclined to possibly include some

3278
02:39:14,030 --> 02:39:16,200
additional requirements and

3279
02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:22,239
protections for the existing neighborhood to have a higher

3280
02:39:22,239 --> 02:39:23,299
zoning

3281
02:39:23,299 --> 02:39:27,469
but that's only bumped up to an NRMU 12 next door to you

3282
02:39:27,469 --> 02:39:28,680
all okay thank you

3283
02:39:28,680 --> 02:39:35,530
thank you sir sir Commissioner Ellis thank you chair sir I

3284
02:39:35,530 --> 02:39:37,399
'm sorry I was gonna

3285
02:39:37,399 --> 02:39:42,030
address one of your comments to maybe help you understand a

3286
02:39:42,030 --> 02:39:42,920
little bit

3287
02:39:42,920 --> 02:39:45,549
further so yeah the overlay is chair explained will run

3288
02:39:45,549 --> 02:39:46,440
with the land so if

3289
02:39:46,440 --> 02:39:49,090
this development doesn't happen and the overlay is approved

3290
02:39:49,090 --> 02:39:50,280
for this rezoning it

3291
02:39:50,280 --> 02:39:53,659
it it runs with the land with regard to getting answers

3292
02:39:53,659 --> 02:39:55,040
about more specifics

3293
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:58,709
about the fence and whatnot this right now is just the

3294
02:39:58,709 --> 02:40:00,680
zoning part of it the

3295
02:40:00,680 --> 02:40:05,579
site plan comes next after that of which we will come

3296
02:40:05,579 --> 02:40:07,319
before us and can be

3297
02:40:07,319 --> 02:40:10,309
looked at in a lot of things that that we're discussing

3298
02:40:10,309 --> 02:40:12,520
tonight are we don't

3299
02:40:12,520 --> 02:40:15,569
really have a site plan nothing's being presented with that

3300
02:40:15,569 --> 02:40:17,200
so nothing can can

3301
02:40:17,200 --> 02:40:21,370
go up there and show us and that we can tweak at this point

3302
02:40:21,370 --> 02:40:22,600
so right now it's

3303
02:40:22,600 --> 02:40:27,040
it's the zoning with the overlay that we're discussing and

3304
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:28,479
then the site plan

3305
02:40:28,479 --> 02:40:33,290
would come after and then you'd have a better idea of what

3306
02:40:33,290 --> 02:40:34,879
that fence will look

3307
02:40:34,879 --> 02:40:38,659
like and where streets will go and how the townhomes will

3308
02:40:38,659 --> 02:40:39,399
be configured and

3309
02:40:39,399 --> 02:40:43,239
whatnot okay so where does the vote come in that you

3310
02:40:43,239 --> 02:40:44,159
recommend to the City

3311
02:40:44,159 --> 02:40:48,809
Council is it between overlay and site plan or is it let me

3312
02:40:48,809 --> 02:40:49,719
step in we're

3313
02:40:49,719 --> 02:40:52,840
having a little sidebar conversation is for clarification

3314
02:40:52,840 --> 02:40:54,239
this is going to be a

3315
02:40:54,239 --> 02:40:59,200
residential case it's not a commercial case so the correct

3316
02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:00,079
thing that will come

3317
02:41:00,079 --> 02:41:03,959
back before this board is going to be what's called a plat

3318
02:41:03,959 --> 02:41:04,959
a site plan is as

3319
02:41:04,959 --> 02:41:07,969
Commissioner Ellis is correct is with a commercial

3320
02:41:07,969 --> 02:41:09,479
application or a heavier

3321
02:41:09,479 --> 02:41:12,719
density but with this particular type of zoning it's going

3322
02:41:12,719 --> 02:41:13,920
to be residential so

3323
02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:16,280
it's going to be a plat and that would come before us as

3324
02:41:16,280 --> 02:41:17,479
Commissioner Ellis

3325
02:41:17,479 --> 02:41:22,520
says and at some point here in the future so a number of

3326
02:41:22,520 --> 02:41:23,639
the items and the

3327
02:41:23,639 --> 02:41:26,139
concerns that you're talking about in regards to fences and

3328
02:41:26,139 --> 02:41:26,799
those types of

3329
02:41:26,799 --> 02:41:29,840
things would be talked about at the platting stage and

3330
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:31,040
there are going to be

3331
02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:35,209
limitations that what this board can and cannot enforce as

3332
02:41:35,209 --> 02:41:36,879
far as a plat is

3333
02:41:36,879 --> 02:41:41,129
concerned because so we're clear about that why I'm trying

3334
02:41:41,129 --> 02:41:42,159
to have some of the

3335
02:41:42,159 --> 02:41:45,149
conversation give the neighborhood as much leeway some of

3336
02:41:45,149 --> 02:41:45,879
you ought to speak

3337
02:41:45,879 --> 02:41:48,959
multiple times to get as much information from you all your

3338
02:41:48,959 --> 02:41:49,360
concerns

3339
02:41:49,360 --> 02:41:53,250
that we can incorporate it into the overlay if this

3340
02:41:53,250 --> 02:41:55,079
Commission chooses to

3341
02:41:55,079 --> 02:41:58,620
move forward with that to address as many of these concerns

3342
02:41:58,620 --> 02:41:59,479
as as possible

3343
02:41:59,479 --> 02:42:01,770
and have them included in the overlay because we are

3344
02:42:01,770 --> 02:42:03,000
limited in what we can do

3345
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:06,309
during a platting phase okay as long as they technically

3346
02:42:06,309 --> 02:42:07,440
meet the requirements

3347
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:14,610
of a plat that will move forward okay thank you so much for

3348
02:42:14,610 --> 02:42:15,239
coming out and

3349
02:42:15,239 --> 02:42:19,079
your patience and expressing all of your concerns again

3350
02:42:19,079 --> 02:42:21,000
this is a public hearing

3351
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:25,909
final call for anyone else who would like to speak on this

3352
02:42:25,909 --> 02:42:27,600
item seeing none I

3353
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:30,760
will close the public hearing and I will open the floor for

3354
02:42:30,760 --> 02:42:32,040
discussion and the

3355
02:42:32,040 --> 02:42:34,399
motion

3356
02:42:35,879 --> 02:42:39,299
Commissioner Beck thank you chair and I too would like to

3357
02:42:39,299 --> 02:42:41,040
thank every one of you

3358
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:45,319
for coming out speaking tonight and it's it's it's tough I

3359
02:42:45,319 --> 02:42:47,079
realize I've been in

3360
02:42:47,079 --> 02:42:50,889
this situation to where I live and dealing with a change

3361
02:42:50,889 --> 02:42:52,040
that's going to

3362
02:42:52,040 --> 02:42:55,350
impact you but as you've all mentioned invariably this was

3363
02:42:55,350 --> 02:42:56,360
going to happen

3364
02:42:56,360 --> 02:43:00,350
sometime down the road and all we're trying to do here on

3365
02:43:00,350 --> 02:43:01,520
both sides I think

3366
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:05,690
is try and minimize the negative impact that development is

3367
02:43:05,690 --> 02:43:07,799
going to happen here

3368
02:43:07,799 --> 02:43:11,100
my feeling is mr. Schmidt says we're backwards to

3369
02:43:11,100 --> 02:43:12,760
accommodate a lot of things

3370
02:43:12,760 --> 02:43:15,750
and I'm glad he is because you do have a nice little

3371
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:17,280
community set back there and

3372
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:19,690
I'd like to see you keep it as much as possible I think

3373
02:43:19,690 --> 02:43:20,440
with what's been

3374
02:43:20,440 --> 02:43:23,979
suggested here you will be able to maintain that now there

3375
02:43:23,979 --> 02:43:24,520
will be folks

3376
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:29,280
like mr. Kepner and I think mr. Glover who but right up

3377
02:43:29,280 --> 02:43:30,840
against this new

3378
02:43:30,840 --> 02:43:33,829
property so they're gonna see things a little more

3379
02:43:33,829 --> 02:43:35,319
dramatically than everybody

3380
02:43:35,319 --> 02:43:38,860
else is so I understand that concern but we've got a look

3381
02:43:38,860 --> 02:43:39,440
kind of at the bigger

3382
02:43:39,440 --> 02:43:42,799
picture here the city is growing there's no doubt about

3383
02:43:42,799 --> 02:43:44,000
that we've got to provide

3384
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:48,709
housing this is an opportunity for us to do that yes it is

3385
02:43:48,709 --> 02:43:50,920
an nr6 but again mr.

3386
02:43:50,920 --> 02:43:55,639
Schmidt's has indicated that he's willing to go below 10

3387
02:43:55,639 --> 02:43:57,200
residents an

3388
02:43:57,200 --> 02:44:01,139
acre hopefully a if I heard that right and that'd be nice

3389
02:44:01,139 --> 02:44:01,959
and that's not that

3390
02:44:01,959 --> 02:44:06,200
far off of an nr6 but this is an infill area that we need

3391
02:44:06,200 --> 02:44:07,239
to develop we've got

3392
02:44:07,239 --> 02:44:10,649
all these empty spots in the city and this is a good place

3393
02:44:10,649 --> 02:44:12,600
to do it the idea

3394
02:44:12,600 --> 02:44:16,520
of fire being a problem mentioned here I mean if you think

3395
02:44:16,520 --> 02:44:17,520
about that lot that

3396
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:22,040
sits there when it's hot and dry that's a tender box and if

3397
02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:22,719
that field were to

3398
02:44:22,719 --> 02:44:26,079
ever catch fire that six-foot wood fence that y'all got

3399
02:44:26,079 --> 02:44:26,959
there that's pretty old

3400
02:44:26,959 --> 02:44:29,950
would pick up pretty quick and carry it so this would be

3401
02:44:29,950 --> 02:44:31,280
another good reason to

3402
02:44:31,280 --> 02:44:37,229
develop this area to prevent that kind of thing I think if

3403
02:44:37,229 --> 02:44:39,200
we keep it limited

3404
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:41,969
to townhomes or single-family attached I think that's what

3405
02:44:41,969 --> 02:44:43,040
we were talking about

3406
02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:50,479
no more than that it stays in unison with what y'all got

3407
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:51,520
there it's not that

3408
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:53,659
distinctive it's not going to stick out that much

3409
02:44:53,659 --> 02:44:54,719
understand there's going to be

3410
02:44:54,719 --> 02:44:56,909
a little bit more traffic that's going to happen anyway

3411
02:44:56,909 --> 02:44:57,799
once this area gets

3412
02:44:57,799 --> 02:45:00,850
developed there's always going to be a little bit more

3413
02:45:00,850 --> 02:45:02,120
traffic and as a city

3414
02:45:02,120 --> 02:45:06,290
will deal with that as best we can as we as we move forward

3415
02:45:06,290 --> 02:45:08,040
but I think I mentioned

3416
02:45:08,040 --> 02:45:12,389
too that in our six if you leave it like it is by right it

3417
02:45:12,389 --> 02:45:13,760
was mentioned by one

3418
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:16,750
of the commissioners they can come in and build a three-

3419
02:45:16,750 --> 02:45:17,959
story there too and

3420
02:45:17,959 --> 02:45:20,420
they don't have to come through PNC because they can do

3421
02:45:20,420 --> 02:45:21,239
that by right so

3422
02:45:21,239 --> 02:45:26,920
keep that in mind so anyway that's my position I just want

3423
02:45:26,920 --> 02:45:27,680
to share that with

3424
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:31,909
you I were not unsympathetic to this new development coming

3425
02:45:31,909 --> 02:45:33,959
in but this is a good

3426
02:45:33,959 --> 02:45:37,659
opportunity this is a good offering I think that would have

3427
02:45:37,659 --> 02:45:38,120
sewage a lot of

3428
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:42,360
the fears and concerns you have thank you

3429
02:45:42,360 --> 02:45:47,479
Commissioner Sanchez I would also like to thank thank you

3430
02:45:47,479 --> 02:45:49,000
all for showing up I

3431
02:45:49,000 --> 02:45:51,989
think all your all the information you've given us has

3432
02:45:51,989 --> 02:45:53,040
helped it helps us

3433
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:57,020
make a better decision I know it's it's kind of agonizing

3434
02:45:57,020 --> 02:45:58,799
when you when new

3435
02:45:58,799 --> 02:46:02,559
buildings or new construction is developed adjacent to

3436
02:46:02,559 --> 02:46:03,600
areas that you're

3437
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:08,090
used to being pretty open but like I'd like to say you know

3438
02:46:08,090 --> 02:46:09,540
there's at one time

3439
02:46:09,540 --> 02:46:11,920
we all figured the rules areas are going to have to be

3440
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:13,840
developed and I think he

3441
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:17,459
the developer has made a lot of concessions and I think

3442
02:46:17,459 --> 02:46:18,600
probably at the

3443
02:46:18,600 --> 02:46:24,430
end you'll find that what he what he does build probably

3444
02:46:24,430 --> 02:46:25,159
will be to your

3445
02:46:25,159 --> 02:46:31,549
liking it's close to the mall and and I think the the town

3446
02:46:31,549 --> 02:46:32,879
homes that they're

3447
02:46:32,879 --> 02:46:37,680
talking about 1600 square foot is pretty compatible to what

3448
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:38,920
's around around in

3449
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:45,559
the area Commissioner Rosa thank you chair I would like to

3450
02:46:45,559 --> 02:46:46,799
echo question back

3451
02:46:46,799 --> 02:46:50,239
and Christian Sanchez thanks for everyone coming out that's

3452
02:46:50,239 --> 02:46:50,459
really

3453
02:46:50,459 --> 02:46:54,360
helpful for us who may not be knowledgeable the area to

3454
02:46:54,360 --> 02:46:55,440
know that their

3455
02:46:55,440 --> 02:46:58,850
intimate cul-de-sacs and the environment of the 36 patio

3456
02:46:58,850 --> 02:46:59,879
homes that's super

3457
02:46:59,879 --> 02:47:02,530
helpful for me to kind of think through this process and as

3458
02:47:02,530 --> 02:47:03,760
I've heard everyone

3459
02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:07,719
speak as well as seen the presentation the things that lead

3460
02:47:07,719 --> 02:47:08,719
me to make a motion

3461
02:47:08,719 --> 02:47:13,680
are are threefold one it seemed like pervasive response

3462
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:15,239
from the citizens was

3463
02:47:15,239 --> 02:47:18,920
traffic concerns specifically through traffic to Claremont

3464
02:47:18,920 --> 02:47:19,799
and then the

3465
02:47:19,799 --> 02:47:22,790
impact they'll have on Colorado and then from what I've

3466
02:47:22,790 --> 02:47:23,959
heard the emergency

3467
02:47:23,959 --> 02:47:28,569
access gate seems to be a an understanding response to

3468
02:47:28,569 --> 02:47:29,879
mitigate flow

3469
02:47:29,879 --> 02:47:32,879
through traffic from public vehicles not city but public

3470
02:47:32,879 --> 02:47:34,059
vehicles and then the

3471
02:47:34,059 --> 02:47:37,639
Colorado if there's right turn left turn right aways the

3472
02:47:37,639 --> 02:47:38,479
traffic that's gonna be

3473
02:47:38,479 --> 02:47:41,469
put on Colorado and then our six would put 53 homes and

3474
02:47:41,469 --> 02:47:42,760
this is gonna put 80

3475
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:45,750
it's not gonna be a lot different than what's by right

3476
02:47:45,750 --> 02:47:46,879
already available for

3477
02:47:46,879 --> 02:47:49,870
NR6 in terms of traffic the other thing that was talked

3478
02:47:49,870 --> 02:47:50,719
about extensively

3479
02:47:50,719 --> 02:47:54,600
tonight was the density and I feel like yes there is gonna

3480
02:47:54,600 --> 02:47:55,440
be an increase of

3481
02:47:55,440 --> 02:47:59,399
density from NR6 to an NRIU 12 although I'm an emotion with

3482
02:47:59,399 --> 02:47:59,920
an overlay to

3483
02:47:59,920 --> 02:48:03,520
reduce that so there is a give on the density but I think

3484
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:04,280
there is a get and

3485
02:48:04,280 --> 02:48:07,559
protecting building height I know everyone's concerned

3486
02:48:07,559 --> 02:48:09,040
about the adjacent

3487
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:12,409
building heights but the applicant is actually restricting

3488
02:48:12,409 --> 02:48:13,319
the rights that

3489
02:48:13,319 --> 02:48:15,639
we're making it more restrictive than what can be built now

3490
02:48:15,639 --> 02:48:16,440
so I feel there's

3491
02:48:16,440 --> 02:48:19,010
a give and take for increased density but also protection

3492
02:48:19,010 --> 02:48:19,879
of those building

3493
02:48:19,879 --> 02:48:22,909
heights and the last thing it was brought up was the amen

3494
02:48:22,909 --> 02:48:23,840
ity centers and

3495
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:26,920
the dog park and and whatnot and I I understand that that

3496
02:48:26,920 --> 02:48:28,000
might not get used

3497
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:32,409
but I do take it as an olive branch from the developer but

3498
02:48:32,409 --> 02:48:33,239
there is a

3499
02:48:33,239 --> 02:48:38,649
consideration of trying to be good neighbor and so with all

3500
02:48:38,649 --> 02:48:39,840
that being said

3501
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:43,770
I'm going to move to to approve this with the condition

3502
02:48:43,770 --> 02:48:45,559
staff outlaid meaning

3503
02:48:45,559 --> 02:48:48,989
defining it as limited to town homes with a maximum density

3504
02:48:48,989 --> 02:48:50,159
of 10 dwelling

3505
02:48:50,159 --> 02:48:53,799
units per acre as well as a limitation of a two-story

3506
02:48:53,799 --> 02:48:55,040
construction on

3507
02:48:55,040 --> 02:49:05,069
contiguous property to the residential homes Commissioner

3508
02:49:05,069 --> 02:49:05,879
Rozo would you

3509
02:49:05,879 --> 02:49:10,049
entertain adding the emergency access gate is requirement

3510
02:49:10,049 --> 02:49:10,899
to connect to

3511
02:49:10,899 --> 02:49:19,000
clear month yes the friendly minute so you'd have in

3512
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:21,120
addition to the staff

3513
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:26,680
overlay could you just your add-ons could you clearly stay

3514
02:49:26,680 --> 02:49:27,040
because I think

3515
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:30,030
staff wants to make sure we get these as well yes so my

3516
02:49:30,030 --> 02:49:31,360
motion is to approve it

3517
02:49:31,360 --> 02:49:34,790
with the staff conditions of limited to town homes with the

3518
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:35,920
maximum density of

3519
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:40,819
12 dwelling units per acre as well as 10 yeah 10 thank you

3520
02:49:40,819 --> 02:49:42,159
let me try this one

3521
02:49:42,159 --> 02:49:46,559
more time I moved to approve this item with the staff

3522
02:49:46,559 --> 02:49:47,760
recommendations to limit

3523
02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:50,870
the use to town homes with maximum density of 10 dwelling

3524
02:49:50,870 --> 02:49:51,959
units per acre as

3525
02:49:51,959 --> 02:49:55,010
well as a restriction on two-story construction on cont

3526
02:49:55,010 --> 02:49:56,120
iguous property to

3527
02:49:56,120 --> 02:50:00,790
residential homes already constructed and the installment

3528
02:50:00,790 --> 02:50:02,399
of an emergency access

3529
02:50:02,399 --> 02:50:09,159
gate okay commissioner Smith thank you chair thank you for

3530
02:50:09,159 --> 02:50:10,239
coming out and as

3531
02:50:10,239 --> 02:50:12,750
Commissioner Roselle has already said I agree and echo a

3532
02:50:12,750 --> 02:50:13,479
lot of the same

3533
02:50:13,479 --> 02:50:27,500
sentiments so how will second this motion second thank you

3534
02:50:27,500 --> 02:50:28,440
just as a point

3535
02:50:28,440 --> 02:50:34,309
of order I want to clarify the motion that in staff

3536
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:35,159
recommendation they have

3537
02:50:35,159 --> 02:50:38,799
both single-family and town homes and single-family

3538
02:50:38,799 --> 02:50:40,879
detached in your in your

3539
02:50:40,879 --> 02:50:43,870
motion you stated single-family residential you okay with

3540
02:50:43,870 --> 02:50:44,200
the town

3541
02:50:44,200 --> 02:50:48,159
homes and the single-family detached willing ends as well

3542
02:50:48,159 --> 02:50:49,600
as in the city

3543
02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:53,770
staff so the city staff I'm reading says the use of the

3544
02:50:53,770 --> 02:50:55,000
site is limited to town

3545
02:50:55,000 --> 02:50:57,280
homes

3546
02:51:01,399 --> 02:51:09,219
I have an older copy here staff recommendation that I have

3547
02:51:09,219 --> 02:51:10,760
for me here

3548
02:51:10,760 --> 02:51:18,879
says it's limited to the single-family attached Victor

3549
02:51:18,879 --> 02:51:25,559
there's still I got you

3550
02:51:25,559 --> 02:51:30,479
yes it's typed differently in two different places yes I'm

3551
02:51:30,479 --> 02:51:31,319
fine with the

3552
02:51:31,319 --> 02:51:35,079
city staff outlined in the recommendation of 1a and 1b

3553
02:51:35,079 --> 02:51:37,120
which says

3554
02:51:37,120 --> 02:51:40,110
this there shall be no uses permitted other than single-

3555
02:51:40,110 --> 02:51:40,639
family attached

3556
02:51:40,639 --> 02:51:43,819
including town homes or single-family detached dwelling

3557
02:51:43,819 --> 02:51:47,280
units great thank you

3558
02:51:47,280 --> 02:51:49,239
for clarifying that because I know the staff's trying to

3559
02:51:49,239 --> 02:51:50,040
make sure we get this

3560
02:51:50,040 --> 02:51:53,639
written down correctly as it moves from P and Z to City

3561
02:51:53,639 --> 02:51:55,879
Council we have a first

3562
02:51:55,879 --> 02:52:00,229
and a second with the staff recommended requirements for

3563
02:52:00,229 --> 02:52:02,399
the overlay in addition

3564
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:07,319
to Commissioner Roselle's two additional points of a two-

3565
02:52:07,319 --> 02:52:08,600
story height requirement

3566
02:52:08,600 --> 02:52:12,829
for any contiguous property adjacent to this and also the

3567
02:52:12,829 --> 02:52:14,559
emergency access gate

3568
02:52:14,559 --> 02:52:19,200
required for connection to Claremont and I think legal has

3569
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:19,319
just a mr. Smith

3570
02:52:19,319 --> 02:52:22,600
since you seconded are you okay with that clarification yes

3571
02:52:22,600 --> 02:52:23,120
I second is

3572
02:52:23,120 --> 02:52:27,290
clarification okay appreciate the opportunity to restate

3573
02:52:27,290 --> 02:52:28,760
the motion with

3574
02:52:28,760 --> 02:52:32,040
the additional requirements and the clarification on the

3575
02:52:32,040 --> 02:52:33,020
second and I will

3576
02:52:33,020 --> 02:52:36,799
call on Commissioner Ellis thank you chair just a couple of

3577
02:52:36,799 --> 02:52:37,399
comments thank you

3578
02:52:37,399 --> 02:52:42,559
everyone for coming to speak hopefully what will happen mr.

3579
02:52:42,559 --> 02:52:43,479
applicant is that

3580
02:52:43,479 --> 02:52:45,760
you'll make friends here and then as you move forward with

3581
02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:47,600
your development that

3582
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:52,659
you can continue to hear concerns and whatnot but I think

3583
02:52:52,659 --> 02:52:54,399
with the the overlay

3584
02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:57,389
protection that is being put in place that that the

3585
02:52:57,389 --> 02:52:58,879
applicant is agreeing to

3586
02:52:58,879 --> 02:53:03,280
it really is a very good thing for this piece of property

3587
02:53:03,280 --> 02:53:04,879
and around you it does

3588
02:53:04,879 --> 02:53:09,479
offer protections that you don't have now so with that I

3589
02:53:09,479 --> 02:53:11,799
will support it

3590
02:53:11,799 --> 02:53:15,799
Commissioner back thank you chair and I guess I would ask

3591
02:53:15,799 --> 02:53:16,920
would Commissioner

3592
02:53:16,920 --> 02:53:21,559
Rosell consider another amendment that would assure that

3593
02:53:21,559 --> 02:53:23,040
the minimum height for

3594
02:53:23,040 --> 02:53:26,780
the fence it goes around it is eight foot I won't say what

3595
02:53:26,780 --> 02:53:27,840
material but I

3596
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:31,559
think the eight foot requirement would make a lot of people

3597
02:53:31,559 --> 02:53:32,520
out there feel a

3598
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:35,159
lot better too

3599
02:53:38,239 --> 02:53:44,110
isn't that what that's required by code that's the maximum

3600
02:53:44,110 --> 02:53:45,159
loud if I'm not

3601
02:53:45,159 --> 02:53:49,819
right yeah so it could be a six foot I would like to see an

3602
02:53:49,819 --> 02:53:50,639
eight foot fence

3603
02:53:50,639 --> 02:53:57,450
and give them that much more privacy I'm not opposed to it

3604
02:53:57,450 --> 02:53:59,360
but there's different

3605
02:53:59,360 --> 02:54:05,239
fences but there's gonna be an entry fence like a it's my

3606
02:54:05,239 --> 02:54:05,959
understanding

3607
02:54:05,959 --> 02:54:11,829
there'll be some sort of landscaped entry you're not

3608
02:54:11,829 --> 02:54:13,000
talking about no I'm

3609
02:54:13,000 --> 02:54:16,879
talking about where it will about say Jason properties

3610
02:54:16,879 --> 02:54:18,600
right okay the two

3611
02:54:18,600 --> 02:54:25,799
residential areas yeah I'm open to that okay thank you so

3612
02:54:25,799 --> 02:54:26,920
we need to rework that

3613
02:54:26,920 --> 02:54:34,079
then one more time I accept the friendly amendment okay

3614
02:54:34,079 --> 02:54:35,239
Commissioner Smith I

3615
02:54:35,239 --> 02:54:38,229
second that amendment so we've got that added as well all

3616
02:54:38,229 --> 02:54:38,799
right

3617
02:54:38,799 --> 02:54:41,879
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I will have to ask the

3618
02:54:41,879 --> 02:54:42,600
applicant if he's

3619
02:54:42,600 --> 02:54:48,479
okay with that added point of the overlay okay thank you

3620
02:54:48,479 --> 02:54:51,040
great okay we

3621
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:55,690
have a first and a second and I think the motion's been

3622
02:54:55,690 --> 02:54:57,319
clarified and I think

3623
02:54:57,319 --> 02:55:00,719
we have that correct I'm going to support this as well I

3624
02:55:00,719 --> 02:55:01,120
know the

3625
02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:04,829
neighbors are concerned about it I see this as well as

3626
02:55:04,829 --> 02:55:06,399
Commissioner Ellis that

3627
02:55:06,399 --> 02:55:08,979
this is actually a better than what you could have built

3628
02:55:08,979 --> 02:55:10,020
against you with the

3629
02:55:10,020 --> 02:55:13,639
height requirement you can have three foot or three story

3630
02:55:13,639 --> 02:55:14,399
buildings against

3631
02:55:14,399 --> 02:55:18,750
you now the way it's currently zoned 40 feet tall I know

3632
02:55:18,750 --> 02:55:20,040
you would like to see it

3633
02:55:20,040 --> 02:55:23,079
as a open field but I think the reality is at some point it

3634
02:55:23,079 --> 02:55:24,079
's going to develop

3635
02:55:24,079 --> 02:55:27,879
and this is an opportunity for this board to place some

3636
02:55:27,879 --> 02:55:28,760
additional

3637
02:55:28,760 --> 02:55:31,200
requirements on the property owner and there's some

3638
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:32,319
restrictions on it that

3639
02:55:32,319 --> 02:55:35,700
will give you some protections that you don't currently

3640
02:55:35,700 --> 02:55:37,040
have and I think also

3641
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:40,860
in taking into account the emergency access gate helps you

3642
02:55:40,860 --> 02:55:41,479
with the

3643
02:55:41,479 --> 02:55:45,879
possibility of the future tie-ins and so with those

3644
02:55:45,879 --> 02:55:48,159
additional requirements I'm

3645
02:55:48,159 --> 02:55:51,170
going to support this motion as well I want to thank

3646
02:55:51,170 --> 02:55:52,680
everybody for coming out

3647
02:55:52,680 --> 02:55:56,399
it's we've had a good discussion and good give-and-take and

3648
02:55:56,399 --> 02:55:57,020
same thing with

3649
02:55:57,020 --> 02:56:00,059
the Commission I think we've worked to come up with

3650
02:56:00,059 --> 02:56:01,600
hopefully a good motion

3651
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:04,590
here that will address a lot of concerns both the

3652
02:56:04,590 --> 02:56:06,120
neighborhood and then still

3653
02:56:06,120 --> 02:56:09,729
allow the applicant to develop the property within reason

3654
02:56:09,729 --> 02:56:10,600
so with that I

3655
02:56:10,600 --> 02:56:16,479
will call for a vote on the board this motion to approve

3656
02:56:16,479 --> 02:56:21,680
motion is going to

3657
02:56:21,680 --> 02:56:26,360
carry six to zero thank you all again for coming out this

3658
02:56:26,360 --> 02:56:27,280
evening I'll give

3659
02:56:27,280 --> 02:56:31,659
the room a minute to clear because we do have a lot of

3660
02:56:31,659 --> 02:56:33,120
people in here and then

3661
02:56:36,120 --> 02:56:38,719
you did great.

3662
02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:23,639
With that I'm going to go ahead and move forward to the

3663
02:57:23,639 --> 02:57:26,079
next item on our agenda

3664
02:57:26,079 --> 02:57:32,489
as folks head on out and go ahead and clear the chambers as

3665
02:57:32,489 --> 02:57:34,079
we move on to our

3666
02:57:34,079 --> 02:57:38,309
next item and I'm going to open the public hearing now for

3667
02:57:38,309 --> 02:57:40,559
Z 18 - 0 0 0 3

3668
02:57:40,559 --> 02:57:45,600
and I will call on Ron for presentation. Thank you chair

3669
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:46,559
members of the Commission this

3670
02:57:46,559 --> 02:57:50,569
request is for a rezoning of a property as well as an

3671
02:57:50,569 --> 02:57:52,200
initial zoning of a

3672
02:57:52,200 --> 02:57:57,000
property to CMG commercial mixed use district as you can

3673
02:57:57,000 --> 02:57:58,159
see on this exhibit

3674
02:57:58,159 --> 02:58:01,729
the southern portion of the property is zone NR 2 the

3675
02:58:01,729 --> 02:58:03,399
northern portion is zone

3676
02:58:03,399 --> 02:58:10,280
RD 5 by designation as it was annexed recently the subject

3677
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:11,079
site is approximately

3678
02:58:11,079 --> 02:58:15,000
six point three seven acres general location is along Teas

3679
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:16,280
ley just south of

3680
02:58:16,280 --> 02:58:22,440
J J. H. Heis of Geyer High School. The future land use

3681
02:58:22,440 --> 02:58:23,920
designation has this area

3682
02:58:23,920 --> 02:58:26,909
designated as community mixed use which is intended to

3683
02:58:26,909 --> 02:58:27,920
promote mixed uses

3684
02:58:27,920 --> 02:58:33,819
primarily commercial uses with complementary existing uses

3685
02:58:33,819 --> 02:58:35,520
as well. This

3686
02:58:35,520 --> 02:58:38,850
exhibit here at a slide just basically illustrates what is

3687
02:58:38,850 --> 02:58:39,959
currently zone as

3688
02:58:39,959 --> 02:58:44,579
described earlier the proposed zoning would be CMG as you

3689
02:58:44,579 --> 02:58:46,879
see here similar to

3690
02:58:46,879 --> 02:58:53,719
what's zone for the Geyer High School. Surrounding uses

3691
02:58:53,719 --> 02:58:56,360
include a mobile home to

3692
02:58:56,360 --> 02:59:01,319
the east some residential and a gas well to the southeast

3693
02:59:01,319 --> 02:59:02,239
some commercial and

3694
02:59:02,239 --> 02:59:07,079
industrial uses to the south NRM I'm sorry NR 2 CMG

3695
02:59:07,079 --> 02:59:08,719
industrial uses to the

3696
02:59:08,719 --> 02:59:14,129
southwest and then Geyer High School to the north as well

3697
02:59:14,129 --> 02:59:16,639
as to the west. Staff

3698
02:59:16,639 --> 02:59:22,510
looked at this proposal and concluded that the CMG is the

3699
02:59:22,510 --> 02:59:23,200
consistent with the

3700
02:59:23,200 --> 02:59:28,389
future land use element it is appropriate as opposed to the

3701
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:29,280
NR 2 and

3702
02:59:29,280 --> 02:59:35,899
the RD 5 which is which are not Teasley is a key growth

3703
02:59:35,899 --> 02:59:37,719
corridor as well as an

3704
02:59:37,719 --> 02:59:42,120
entry into the city and commercial uses is more an

3705
02:59:42,120 --> 02:59:45,319
appropriate use for this area.

3706
02:59:45,319 --> 02:59:50,659
Teasley is currently a two-lane divided roadway however

3707
02:59:50,659 --> 02:59:51,600
TechSat has begun

3708
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:56,170
construction or the work to widen and construct this to a

3709
02:59:56,170 --> 02:59:57,479
six lane divided

3710
02:59:57,479 --> 03:00:04,299
roadway 135 feet total from the city limits to the east all

3711
03:00:04,299 --> 03:00:05,319
the way to the

3712
03:00:05,319 --> 03:00:11,200
north to Lillian Miller. Anticipated widening completion is

3713
03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:11,920
approximately

3714
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:17,159
January 2020. Notifications were sent out 14 were sent out

3715
03:00:17,159 --> 03:00:18,719
to property owners

3716
03:00:18,719 --> 03:00:22,120
within 200 feet 13 courtesy notices were sent out to

3717
03:00:22,120 --> 03:00:23,440
residents within 500 feet

3718
03:00:23,440 --> 03:00:27,610
and a sign was posted by the applicant. As of this

3719
03:00:27,610 --> 03:00:29,280
afternoon there were no

3720
03:00:29,280 --> 03:00:35,389
responses returned no opposition no in favor. Staff

3721
03:00:35,389 --> 03:00:37,159
recommends approval of this

3722
03:00:37,159 --> 03:00:42,319
route zoning change request as an initial zoning request

3723
03:00:42,319 --> 03:00:44,120
that as it is

3724
03:00:44,120 --> 03:00:48,649
conformance with the criteria of approval for the DDC and

3725
03:00:48,649 --> 03:00:49,079
it is

3726
03:00:49,079 --> 03:00:52,420
consistent with the goals and objective of the DEM plan

3727
03:00:52,420 --> 03:00:55,000
2030. That concludes my

3728
03:00:55,000 --> 03:00:58,239
presentation I'll be happy to answer any questions the

3729
03:00:58,239 --> 03:00:59,399
applicant has prepared

3730
03:00:59,399 --> 03:01:05,500
presentation and is prepared to do that next. Commissioner

3731
03:01:05,500 --> 03:01:07,280
Beck. Thank You Chair

3732
03:01:07,280 --> 03:01:09,870
just quick question on I meant to ask this in the work

3733
03:01:09,870 --> 03:01:10,920
session you mentioned

3734
03:01:10,920 --> 03:01:14,879
in the back with your background material any future

3735
03:01:14,879 --> 03:01:15,520
development that

3736
03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:19,770
encroaches into the ESA habitat or ESA floodplain

3737
03:01:19,770 --> 03:01:22,040
designation AE would require

3738
03:01:22,040 --> 03:01:26,760
a field assessment what's AE? That's a type of floodplain

3739
03:01:26,760 --> 03:01:30,040
designation. What's AE stand for?

3740
03:01:30,040 --> 03:01:35,590
I apologize. Now if there was anything online. Alternative

3741
03:01:35,590 --> 03:01:37,959
of something right? I can't say.

3742
03:01:37,959 --> 03:01:41,510
All I know is a type of it's a level of floodplain

3743
03:01:41,510 --> 03:01:45,399
designation. Got you. Thanks.

3744
03:01:46,000 --> 03:01:50,459
See no other questions for staff. Thank you Ron. I do have

3745
03:01:50,459 --> 03:01:53,239
one card Patricia

3746
03:01:53,239 --> 03:01:58,680
Font in support.

3747
03:02:02,959 --> 03:02:07,959
Hi good evening chair and commissioners my name is Patricia

3748
03:02:07,959 --> 03:02:10,040
Font I am an

3749
03:02:10,040 --> 03:02:14,579
assistant planner at GNA consultants we are located at 111

3750
03:02:14,579 --> 03:02:16,000
Hillside Drive in

3751
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:20,600
Louisville Texas. Alright okay so the name of our property

3752
03:02:20,600 --> 03:02:22,120
is Hillcrest North

3753
03:02:22,120 --> 03:02:27,530
and we are proposing to rezone our property from NR2 and RD

3754
03:02:27,530 --> 03:02:31,319
X 5X to CMG.

3755
03:02:32,959 --> 03:02:37,659
Okay so our land is a proper is approximately six acres

3756
03:02:37,659 --> 03:02:38,639
located on

3757
03:02:38,639 --> 03:02:43,399
Teasley Lane. To the north is Gair High School as you can

3758
03:02:43,399 --> 03:02:46,319
see and to the south

3759
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:52,149
is some industrial uses and that's about 1,600 feet away

3760
03:02:52,149 --> 03:02:57,120
from FM 2499. As we get a

3761
03:02:57,120 --> 03:03:00,120
closer look you can see that Gair High School has added

3762
03:03:00,120 --> 03:03:01,159
some parking to the

3763
03:03:01,159 --> 03:03:06,270
west. This allows for great visibility coming down 2181.

3764
03:03:06,270 --> 03:03:07,719
There's the mobile home

3765
03:03:07,719 --> 03:03:12,239
park to the east and as I said before industrial uses to

3766
03:03:12,239 --> 03:03:14,399
the south. 2181 will

3767
03:03:14,399 --> 03:03:18,569
be is under construction and this will be a six lane

3768
03:03:18,569 --> 03:03:21,639
divided. Our client also

3769
03:03:21,639 --> 03:03:26,280
runs his business out of this building right here.

3770
03:03:28,319 --> 03:03:32,719
Okay I know we had a question or we talked about kind of

3771
03:03:32,719 --> 03:03:33,799
why this whole thing

3772
03:03:33,799 --> 03:03:38,170
is not rezoned. Our client currently owns all of these parc

3773
03:03:38,170 --> 03:03:39,680
els that are outlined

3774
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:45,629
in red and the cell tower is at the north or northwest

3775
03:03:45,629 --> 03:03:47,760
portion which he does

3776
03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:53,860
not own. There are gas wells in the northwest portion of

3777
03:03:53,860 --> 03:03:54,840
the property that

3778
03:03:54,840 --> 03:03:59,479
will remain and they will have access through the subject

3779
03:03:59,479 --> 03:04:00,559
site.

3780
03:04:00,559 --> 03:04:05,200
The environmentally sensitive area map indicates that there

3781
03:04:05,200 --> 03:04:05,520
may be a

3782
03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:09,010
water habitat in the northwest corner at this time. We

3783
03:04:09,010 --> 03:04:11,840
intend to be preserving it

3784
03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:16,420
all. Adequate public utilities are present and they will

3785
03:04:16,420 --> 03:04:17,479
have to be extended

3786
03:04:17,479 --> 03:04:21,829
all the way to the east of this development. Okay the

3787
03:04:21,829 --> 03:04:23,079
future land use map

3788
03:04:23,079 --> 03:04:27,760
Denton 2030 as you can see there's moderate residential

3789
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:29,239
there's industrial

3790
03:04:29,239 --> 03:04:32,540
and commerce to the south and in between there's community

3791
03:04:32,540 --> 03:04:34,280
mixed use. This X is a

3792
03:04:34,280 --> 03:04:37,950
great buffer and transition between residential and

3793
03:04:37,950 --> 03:04:44,440
industrial. Right now the

3794
03:04:44,440 --> 03:04:49,340
zoning is split and the north the north portion is RD 5X

3795
03:04:49,340 --> 03:04:50,360
and the southern

3796
03:04:50,360 --> 03:04:54,719
portion is NR 2. That's primarily residential. We are

3797
03:04:54,719 --> 03:04:55,799
proposing a zoning

3798
03:04:55,799 --> 03:05:01,670
change to CMG. We believe it makes logical sense for this

3799
03:05:01,670 --> 03:05:02,559
site to extend

3800
03:05:02,559 --> 03:05:06,100
CMG all the way down to Teasley Lane. We're trying to clean

3801
03:05:06,100 --> 03:05:07,040
up a little bit of

3802
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:10,030
the split zoning and it's also very important to us that

3803
03:05:10,030 --> 03:05:11,440
our client remains

3804
03:05:11,440 --> 03:05:17,319
his business and continues it on this property. This is the

3805
03:05:17,319 --> 03:05:18,719
concept plan that

3806
03:05:18,719 --> 03:05:22,110
we took to our DRC meeting. They had some great comments

3807
03:05:22,110 --> 03:05:23,760
and we are working a few

3808
03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:27,420
modifications for their regulations but we are getting

3809
03:05:27,420 --> 03:05:29,440
ready to propose plotting.

3810
03:05:29,440 --> 03:05:35,319
Thank you. A couple questions for you Commissioner Smith.

3811
03:05:35,319 --> 03:05:36,799
Miss Fain. The

3812
03:05:36,799 --> 03:05:41,079
projected use do you guys have an idea? It looks like it's

3813
03:05:41,079 --> 03:05:44,069
obviously commercial use and it's obviously going to be

3814
03:05:44,069 --> 03:05:44,639
some sort of

3815
03:05:44,639 --> 03:05:48,809
development but is it offices, professional buildings, is

3816
03:05:48,809 --> 03:05:49,639
it going to be

3817
03:05:49,639 --> 03:05:53,000
strip mall? What is it going to be? Right now it's just

3818
03:05:53,000 --> 03:05:54,559
commercial uses. We're thinking

3819
03:05:54,559 --> 03:05:57,879
retail, restaurant, residential. I mean not residential,

3820
03:05:57,879 --> 03:05:58,680
retail, restaurant and

3821
03:05:58,680 --> 03:06:02,850
office. Okay. Thanks. Commissioner Beb. Thank you Chair.

3822
03:06:02,850 --> 03:06:04,799
Did I just hear you say that the

3823
03:06:04,799 --> 03:06:07,459
business owner for outdoor living pool and patio, he's

3824
03:06:07,459 --> 03:06:09,040
gonna stay there and still

3825
03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:13,000
run his business? Yes sir. Same building not gonna shift it

3826
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:14,040
or anything so gonna

3827
03:06:14,040 --> 03:06:18,440
work around it in other words right? Yeah it will be demol

3828
03:06:18,440 --> 03:06:19,559
ished and he'll work.

3829
03:06:19,559 --> 03:06:21,899
Okay so it is going but you're still gonna have the

3830
03:06:21,899 --> 03:06:23,040
business there at some

3831
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:28,379
point. I got you. Yes. Thank you. Okay any other questions

3832
03:06:28,379 --> 03:06:31,719
for the applicant? Okay

3833
03:06:31,719 --> 03:06:37,059
thanks very much. Again this is a public hearing. Anyone

3834
03:06:37,059 --> 03:06:37,799
else who would like to

3835
03:06:37,799 --> 03:06:44,309
speak on this item please come forward at this time. Seeing

3836
03:06:44,309 --> 03:06:45,879
no one else I will

3837
03:06:45,879 --> 03:06:49,110
close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion

3838
03:06:49,110 --> 03:06:50,000
or a motion.

3839
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:54,809
Commissioner Smith. Motion to approve this request. Okay.

3840
03:06:54,809 --> 03:06:56,440
Commissioner Bec. Second.

3841
03:06:56,440 --> 03:07:01,360
Okay we have a first and a second for approval. Any further

3842
03:07:01,360 --> 03:07:05,120
discussion? Seeing

3843
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:08,399
none I'll call for a vote on the board.

3844
03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:19,610
Motion carries six to zero. Congratulations and good luck

3845
03:07:19,610 --> 03:07:20,200
on your

3846
03:07:20,200 --> 03:07:23,620
project and the chair wants to apologize for making you

3847
03:07:23,620 --> 03:07:26,079
guys stay so long. I never

3848
03:07:26,079 --> 03:07:28,770
know all the cards and everybody hears who's to speak so

3849
03:07:28,770 --> 03:07:29,719
apologize for not

3850
03:07:29,719 --> 03:07:35,659
moving you all forward in the agenda. Good evening. That

3851
03:07:35,659 --> 03:07:37,840
will move us to our

3852
03:07:37,840 --> 03:07:42,959
final item this evening which will be our project matrix.

3853
03:07:44,479 --> 03:07:48,479
Commissioner Bec. Yes I wonder would it be possible to

3854
03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:50,239
bring up what we briefly

3855
03:07:50,239 --> 03:07:52,530
touched on in the work session how we've got an area out

3856
03:07:52,530 --> 03:07:53,680
there in 3-8 that's

3857
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:58,319
NR2 that in my opinion clearly shouldn't be you know how

3858
03:07:58,319 --> 03:07:59,959
would we go about is

3859
03:07:59,959 --> 03:08:04,129
there something we can start here the process of looking at

3860
03:08:04,129 --> 03:08:05,399
changing that area

3861
03:08:05,399 --> 03:08:10,909
to something more amenable like the ECC. In the very near

3862
03:08:10,909 --> 03:08:13,520
future we are I mean

3863
03:08:13,520 --> 03:08:17,750
we're working on our internal sort of draft of the updated

3864
03:08:17,750 --> 03:08:19,120
zoning map based on

3865
03:08:19,120 --> 03:08:22,790
the new categories and I suspect in the next couple months

3866
03:08:22,790 --> 03:08:24,200
if not sooner maybe

3867
03:08:24,200 --> 03:08:28,000
two months that will be that will be rolled out so we are

3868
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:28,959
we're really taking

3869
03:08:28,959 --> 03:08:31,950
a hard look at so you know sort of the first phase was

3870
03:08:31,950 --> 03:08:32,920
matching up if you

3871
03:08:32,920 --> 03:08:35,610
remember that the memo there was sort of the front two

3872
03:08:35,610 --> 03:08:36,879
districts now we're really

3873
03:08:36,879 --> 03:08:39,870
sort of honing in and saying does it really make sense that

3874
03:08:39,870 --> 03:08:41,680
this area be NR2

3875
03:08:41,680 --> 03:08:45,159
what was what was a long-term overall intent for that

3876
03:08:45,159 --> 03:08:46,959
looking at gas wells and

3877
03:08:46,959 --> 03:08:50,799
a couple other factors out there it the likelihood is

3878
03:08:50,799 --> 03:08:52,719
probably slim to none but

3879
03:08:52,719 --> 03:08:56,159
we are sort of that's where we are right now so okay it

3880
03:08:56,159 --> 03:08:57,280
will happen very soon

3881
03:08:57,280 --> 03:09:03,379
all right thank you. Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair.

3882
03:09:03,379 --> 03:09:04,760
Twice now we've had it

3883
03:09:04,760 --> 03:09:09,920
where the NRU 12 the permitted uses back in the backup has

3884
03:09:09,920 --> 03:09:10,639
said the wrong

3885
03:09:10,639 --> 03:09:13,840
building height. It will not happen again. Thank you I

3886
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:14,879
appreciate it.

3887
03:09:14,879 --> 03:09:20,760
The kids yes makes us look like fools and also the Ronan

3888
03:09:20,760 --> 03:09:21,280
mentioned that

3889
03:09:21,280 --> 03:09:25,680
ETJ notifications on that last thing we put on did not go

3890
03:09:25,680 --> 03:09:26,680
out we had brought

3891
03:09:26,680 --> 03:09:28,899
that up in the past when we had it before where

3892
03:09:28,899 --> 03:09:30,639
notifications about the did

3893
03:09:30,639 --> 03:09:33,329
not go out to ETJ but people come and come you know say hey

3894
03:09:33,329 --> 03:09:34,239
my properties in

3895
03:09:34,239 --> 03:09:37,879
ETJ I wasn't notified did we ever have a solution for that

3896
03:09:37,879 --> 03:09:38,479
I know it wasn't an

3897
03:09:38,479 --> 03:09:41,069
issue in this case but just driving my memory saying that

3898
03:09:41,069 --> 03:09:43,040
we did it. I've got to go back and

3899
03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:46,030
look at I don't think it was ever really specified in the I

3900
03:09:46,030 --> 03:09:47,040
know in the 200

3901
03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:51,489
notice it's sort of explicit on it's the most recent

3902
03:09:51,489 --> 03:09:52,440
municipal tax roll

3903
03:09:52,440 --> 03:09:57,440
approved municipal tax roll and that goes into account for

3904
03:09:57,440 --> 03:09:58,680
the super

3905
03:09:58,680 --> 03:10:03,620
majority we sort of go above and beyond that at the 500

3906
03:10:03,620 --> 03:10:05,280
sure what I'll do is

3907
03:10:05,280 --> 03:10:13,280
I'll get clarification on that report back and report back.

3908
03:10:13,280 --> 03:10:14,280
Thank you. Anyone else?

3909
03:10:14,280 --> 03:10:21,840
Can I just add one AE AE is the prior to AE a the a flood

3910
03:10:21,840 --> 03:10:23,040
zones are high risk and

3911
03:10:23,040 --> 03:10:27,049
prior to AE being enacted there used to be an a 1 through

3912
03:10:27,049 --> 03:10:28,559
30 and the number would

3913
03:10:28,559 --> 03:10:31,940
correspond with the base flood elevation now it's just AE

3914
03:10:31,940 --> 03:10:32,760
and then there's a

3915
03:10:32,760 --> 03:10:36,340
number assigned to see AE 7 which would mean 7 feet above

3916
03:10:36,340 --> 03:10:38,520
base flood is your

3917
03:10:38,520 --> 03:10:42,700
finish floor so that's that's what AE it's not like it

3918
03:10:42,700 --> 03:10:44,639
means really anything

3919
03:10:44,639 --> 03:10:53,200
I it's just yeah rest assured. Thank you for the

3920
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:56,760
clarification and with that at

3921
03:10:56,760 --> 03:11:01,399
850 to or excuse me 847 I will close our meeting this

3922
03:11:01,399 --> 03:11:03,000
evening thank you everyone

3923
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:06,159
for coming out good job