WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.800 Welcome to the City of Denton Planning and Zoning 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.000 Commission meeting for January 10th, 2018. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.879 This will be our work session. 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:09.509 This meeting has been duly posted and we do have a quorum 00:00:09.509 --> 00:00:10.960 present and I will call us to 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:14.000 order at 5-0-2. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.039 Our first order of business will be to receive 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:19.920 clarification of agenda items and so that 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:25.899 will move us in our work session down to our consent agenda 00:00:25.899 --> 00:00:26.320 . 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:33.390 And if there are questions, Haley can come and answer those 00:00:33.390 --> 00:00:36.479 on the consent agenda. 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.320 The Denton traffic to partners. 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:40.799 Okay. 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:48.479 Haley, you want to come up to the mic? 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:49.479 Commissioner Beck. 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:50.479 Thank you, Chair. 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:52.719 Just a quick question. 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.880 On the Google map thing, it looks like there's a gas well 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:56.759 there now. 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:58.960 So is that on lot 8? 00:00:58.960 --> 00:00:59.960 Yes, sir. 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:03.060 That is on lot 8 and there is an access easement and a 00:01:03.060 --> 00:01:05.299 pipeline easement coming off of Jim 00:01:05.299 --> 00:01:06.299 Crystal there. 00:01:06.299 --> 00:01:07.299 Okay. 00:01:07.299 --> 00:01:08.299 Is that remaining? 00:01:08.299 --> 00:01:09.299 They're not removing that? 00:01:09.299 --> 00:01:10.299 It is to remain. 00:01:10.299 --> 00:01:13.260 There's an approved gas well site plan for that site and as 00:01:13.260 --> 00:01:14.719 far as I know it will remain 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:15.719 there. 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:16.719 Okay. 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:17.719 Thank you. 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:24.200 Any other questions for Haley on this item? 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.200 No? 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.359 Okay. 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.530 That will then take us to our items for individual 00:01:31.530 --> 00:01:34.239 consideration and I'll call on Haley for a 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:39.959 presentation on P17-10 Creekside on Ryan Road. 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:41.079 Yes. 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:44.400 So some of you may be familiar with Creekside. 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.280 It's a large parcel of unannexed property. 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.879 It was under a non-annexation agreement for several years 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:52.239 and when the last of those was 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.780 about to expire in 2016, they entered into a pre-annexation 00:01:55.780 --> 00:01:57.280 development agreement with 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:58.280 the city. 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.709 So it subdivided the entire parcel into three tracts of 00:02:01.709 --> 00:02:02.280 land. 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:03.640 This is just one of those tracts. 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:07.480 It's tract 1C in the agreement and it is for a single 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:09.879 family subdivision that will have 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:14.479 137 residential lots and three common area lots. 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.729 You can see the plat has multiple pages here but it would 00:02:17.729 --> 00:02:19.680 be your standard single family 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:24.240 at roughly an NR3 density is what we would be looking at 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:25.039 here. 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.419 And we did put this on individual consideration because 00:02:27.419 --> 00:02:28.960 there is a section in the agreement 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.460 that requires the gas well on site to be plugged before the 00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:34.560 final plat is approved so we just 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.639 wanted to be abundantly clear about that that they will not 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:39.240 get a final plat approved for 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.199 this until such time as the gas well is plugged. 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:44.199 Commissioner Beck. 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.849 And on that note, so those, I guess those are storage tanks 00:02:47.849 --> 00:02:49.479 that are there now too? 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:50.800 They have all been removed at this point. 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:51.800 The operator is in the process. 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:52.800 Oh, the tanks are already gone? 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:53.800 Yes. 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:54.800 Yeah, they're in the process of closing the site. 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:55.800 I just wanted that for clarification. 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:56.800 Thank you. 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:57.800 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:58.800 Sorry. 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:05.039 Sir, my understanding is the last traffic survey was done 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.319 in 2014. 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.000 Is that right for this, for Ryan Road? 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.490 I know there was one done in 2014 for a subdivision further 00:03:15.490 --> 00:03:17.319 to the west from this property. 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.379 I'm not sure if there's been anything done in time since 00:03:20.379 --> 00:03:21.319 then though. 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:22.319 Okay. 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:30.150 Also, how does the impact fee or whatever it's called now, 00:03:30.150 --> 00:03:33.360 how is it assessed since 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:38.289 on the street side of this subdivision is not nearly as big 00:03:38.289 --> 00:03:40.879 as the whole subdivision? 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:45.740 How is it determined who's going to take care of the street 00:03:45.740 --> 00:03:48.479 and when is that determined? 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:50.469 My understanding is all of that was laid out in the pre- 00:03:50.469 --> 00:03:52.000 annexation development agreement. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.030 There were agreed upon amounts for roadway impact fees and 00:03:55.030 --> 00:03:56.479 all of the impact fees that 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.729 would be associated with the development at that time 00:03:58.729 --> 00:04:00.199 knowing the full scope of all three 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.199 tracks that were intended to be developed. 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.439 So all of that has been kind of predetermined at this point 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:05.639 . 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:06.639 Okay. 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:07.639 When is that going to happen though? 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:13.219 I mean, is there a deadline by which I think it's $589,000 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:15.479 is going to be spent to widen 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.160 or to do something with Ryan Road is not specified exactly 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:20.920 what's going to happen. 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.870 And so I'm just curious when is that street improvement 00:04:24.870 --> 00:04:26.600 supposed to happen? 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.000 I'm not sure when the improvements will happen. 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.269 I know the impact fees will be assessed and paid at the 00:04:30.269 --> 00:04:32.040 time of permitting for the individual 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:33.560 building permits. 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.550 So it will be split over all of these individual lots as 00:04:36.550 --> 00:04:38.560 they're developed in terms of when 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:39.560 it's paid. 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.980 Because I know Ryan Meadows on the other end, on the west 00:04:42.980 --> 00:04:45.160 end, there hasn't been anything 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:48.519 done to the street that they front on Ryan Road. 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:49.519 Yeah. 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.519 And they've been there for a year or more. 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.199 Yeah, I'm not aware of any immediate plans for improvements 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:55.560 on Ryan Road, but the impact 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.920 fees will be paid with each permit. 00:04:57.920 --> 00:04:58.920 Okay. 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.069 Haley, you may want to give a clarification to Commissioner 00:05:02.069 --> 00:05:03.439 Sullivan that it's at the 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.230 city's option, whether the perimeter street paving is done 00:05:06.230 --> 00:05:07.560 or whether they collect the 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:08.560 fees. 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:09.560 Yeah. 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:10.560 Yeah. 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.180 In this case, the agreement outlined how much would be paid 00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:14.800 for each phase of this development 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.759 for impact fees for road, water and sewer. 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:22.920 So Commissioner Smith, thank you, Chair. 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:24.199 Clarification on the bottom of the plat there. 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.920 It says street D just ends and they're in the map. 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.790 Is that connecting to the neighborhood that's south of that 00:05:29.790 --> 00:05:30.319 track? 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:32.000 What exactly is happening there? 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.000 Yeah. 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.000 Let's see which. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:35.000 I can't quite tell. 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:36.000 It goes further south, Creek View, whatever. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.000 Creek Day. 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:38.000 Oh, does it? 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.000 I'm sorry. 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:43.839 Yeah, it does tie into the existing subdivision. 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.339 I don't see the exact street that you were referencing, but 00:05:46.339 --> 00:05:47.439 it ties into the existing 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:48.439 subdivision. 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:50.439 So basically, my question is I just- 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:51.439 Street E. 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:52.439 I was reading it. 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:53.439 I wasn't paying attention. 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:54.439 I looked at that. 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:55.439 I didn't flip the next page. 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.290 Does this plat eventually connect the neighborhood from 00:05:59.290 --> 00:06:02.000 Ryan all the way down to Hickory Creek? 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:03.879 Or is there through the neighborhood? 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:06.810 Or is the only way for people to get to Hickory Creek going 00:06:06.810 --> 00:06:08.399 to be go back out to Teasley or 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.240 go back out to 1830? 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:11.720 It would be connected through the neighborhoods. 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:12.720 Yeah. 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:19.019 That was a question I had from a resident. 00:06:19.019 --> 00:06:21.360 Another thing that was brought up. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:26.629 Commissioner Sullivan talked about the traffic impact 00:06:26.629 --> 00:06:27.920 analysis. 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.480 Can we get any information on that? 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.199 There was one done in 2014 for this. 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.870 Can we get a refresher on that during the actual meeting at 00:06:35.870 --> 00:06:37.120 630? 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:38.120 I could look into that. 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.129 To my knowledge, there hasn't been one done for this subdiv 00:06:40.129 --> 00:06:40.519 ision. 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:47.040 The one I think from 2014 was for another subdivision along 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:48.360 Ryan Road. 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.990 What say does the city have in requiring the developer to 00:06:51.990 --> 00:06:54.560 put in acceleration and deceleration 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:59.079 lanes coming into the neighborhood itself off of Ryan Road? 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.519 At this point in time, is there anything we could do? 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.920 Honestly, I'm not certain on that. 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:07.899 Since they did enter into the agreement that specified how 00:07:07.899 --> 00:07:09.199 much they would contribute towards 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.290 the roadways, I don't know that there would be any room for 00:07:11.290 --> 00:07:12.439 that, but we could look into 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:13.439 it. 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.360 I'm just bringing up concerns that was brought to me by a 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.600 couple of different citizens in 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.360 the neighborhood that abuts it. 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.750 The last thing was, within the preliminary plotting process 00:07:23.750 --> 00:07:26.199 that we're in, what landscaping 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.199 requirements are there currently? 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.959 Is it zoned NR2? 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.519 At this point, it's technically still in the city's ETJ. 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:38.459 Their agreement requires that once their final plan is 00:07:38.459 --> 00:07:39.879 approved, they apply for annexation 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:40.879 into the city. 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.379 Then at that point, it stipulates that they would apply for 00:07:44.379 --> 00:07:46.279 an NR3 zoning designation for 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:47.600 the property. 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.019 In terms of landscaping, the agreement outlined a very 00:07:51.019 --> 00:07:53.680 specific landscaping plan for the entire 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.000 subdivision as well as the other tracts. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.399 The primary feature in this portion would be ... Let me get 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.120 to the right page. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.480 All of the trees that exist along the west side of the 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:04.959 property, most of them are to 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:05.959 remain in place. 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:07.680 The same thing on the south side. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:08.680 Okay. 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:09.680 Those are the biggest questions I had there. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.709 One other thing we brought up, what are the other ... You 00:08:13.709 --> 00:08:15.439 said this is tract 1C. 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.439 What are the other tracts within this? 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:18.439 Is it going to be one? 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:19.920 It's kind of hard to see here. 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:22.959 The one immediately adjoining it where all of the flood 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:24.199 plain is, is 1B. 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:27.509 The agreement specified that that would have up to three 00:08:27.509 --> 00:08:29.000 single family homes. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.019 The majority of the ESA and the floodplain is all to remain 00:08:32.019 --> 00:08:32.679 intact. 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:34.799 Then the other portion is further east from there. 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.919 That would be a second phase of the Good Samaritan Center. 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:38.919 Okay. 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:39.919 That works. 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:40.919 Thank you. 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:49.279 Any other questions for Haley on this item? 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:50.639 No? 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:51.679 Okay. 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.360 Thank you, Haley. 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.809 As far as our public hearings this evening, we'll need to 00:08:58.809 --> 00:09:02.399 get a ... We'll open item A 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.789 and the chair would like to get a motion from one of the 00:09:05.789 --> 00:09:08.080 other commissioners to continue 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:12.000 this to the 21st and we'll leave it open. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:13.970 Then the other two items, we're not going to take any 00:09:13.970 --> 00:09:15.240 action on those since they have 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.600 been withdrawn. 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.159 That will take us through the items that are on our agenda. 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.029 I think Richard has got some other items that are off 00:09:25.029 --> 00:09:27.120 agenda that he wanted to go over with 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.240 us here at work session. 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.570 Just wanted to sort of update everybody what's kind of 00:09:31.570 --> 00:09:33.120 going to go on the next meeting. 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.879 That's going to be a pretty hefty agenda, particularly for 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:38.159 the work session. 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:43.039 We'll have three items specific for work session. 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:45.320 Two of those I handed out tonight. 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:50.159 These are the new or draft design criteria manual for 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:53.320 transportation and drainage. 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.070 I wanted to get those well in advance rather than just 00:09:56.070 --> 00:09:57.840 sending them that Friday before 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:01.120 so everybody had a chance to take a look at it. 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.360 They are online as well. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.080 We can provide that in an email. 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.779 They're on the city's website if you wanted to look at them 00:10:08.779 --> 00:10:10.240 electronically. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:14.330 In the transportation manual you'll see quite a bit of 00:10:14.330 --> 00:10:17.139 changes from the existing, specifically 00:10:17.139 --> 00:10:25.049 with it outlines TIA changes to pavement standards right 00:10:25.049 --> 00:10:26.919 away with. 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.419 I'll save all of the details for engineering, Todd Estes, 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:32.519 director of capital improvements 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:40.080 will be here as well as pre-TAM to go over both of these. 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.080 Commissioner Beck. 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.080 Thank you, chair. 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.200 Will this affect the mobility plan in any way? 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:49.879 Are we changing streets, directions or anything like that? 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:53.639 It'll actually widen some of the residential streets. 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:57.720 But not necessarily change the mobility plan. 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.480 One thing you'll see in here, they're going -- they're 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.480 starting to go with context sensitive 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:06.000 corridors so that will ultimately play into that. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.960 So there's sort of some give and take. 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.470 So if it's on a context sensitive corridor, there are some 00:11:13.470 --> 00:11:15.580 things that you can do to possibly 00:11:15.580 --> 00:11:18.480 reduce parking if you put a bike lane. 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:23.029 So there's a number of different options sort of outlined 00:11:23.029 --> 00:11:24.399 in the manual. 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.860 Also as the only member here that's part of that sub 00:11:27.860 --> 00:11:31.360 committee dealing with the DDC change, 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.240 are we going to be holding any more meetings? 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:35.240 Yes. 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.240 Before they actually implement it? 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:41.870 Because isn't a new rewrite supposed to be set up for the 00:11:41.870 --> 00:11:43.639 summer sometime? 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.159 Even probably sooner than that. 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.860 We're looking at getting sort of a first initial draft, 00:11:50.860 --> 00:11:53.679 possibly next month of some of the 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:54.679 chapters. 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.279 And so at that point in time, that subcommittee will then 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:00.879 reconvene and start to go over those. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:04.899 And so what we suspect is probably March, April sort of 00:12:04.899 --> 00:12:07.200 alternating work session and 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.039 then the following meeting, you probably plan on every work 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:12.919 session having a subchapter 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:16.500 or at least a section to review to get through that. 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:20.259 So I just wanted to kind of preface that as we move forward 00:12:20.259 --> 00:12:20.879 that. 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.840 Not to carry it on just real quickly. 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.090 Are they scheduled to have at least one more public hearing 00:12:28.090 --> 00:12:30.240 on that before it goes to city 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:31.240 council? 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.639 There'll be a cut on the criteria or the code. 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:36.600 The code itself. 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.600 We'll have a number of public hearings. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:38.600 Okay. 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:39.600 Okay. 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.960 Thanks, Richard. 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:44.940 The only other item that we'll get it to you prior to -- I 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:46.639 'll try to get that to you next 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.360 week again so you have it before the meeting. 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.419 Deborah Vieras will be here to present changes to subch 00:12:53.419 --> 00:12:56.440 apter 17 which deals with our environmentally 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:57.820 sensitive areas. 00:12:57.820 --> 00:13:01.350 So there's some changes that she'd work through with her 00:13:01.350 --> 00:13:02.019 group. 00:13:02.019 --> 00:13:05.360 So we wanted to bring that to a work session as well. 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.159 And then we have just to give you an idea, we have three 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:09.799 rezoning, a rezoning and an 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.039 SUP and then two preliminary plaques. 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:17.740 So it's going to be, like I said, it'll be a bountiful 00:13:17.740 --> 00:13:19.039 agenda. 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.240 What's the expected date for the adoption of the 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.759 transportation criteria manual and 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.600 the storm water and when those would go into effect? 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.549 I think they're -- I know they're pushing to get them done 00:13:30.549 --> 00:13:31.799 sooner than later. 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.960 They've opened up a sort of a 30-day window. 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:40.129 And so what we talked about was rather than sort of have 00:13:40.129 --> 00:13:42.840 the meet, you know, sort of let's 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.039 just do it -- let's open the window and then we can have 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:46.440 that public hearing in between 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:49.990 and that way if somebody from the public -- I guess if they 00:13:49.990 --> 00:13:51.879 want to come, they could. 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:53.860 So whether or not we want to open something up at the 00:13:53.860 --> 00:13:55.399 regular meeting, I mean, I guess 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:56.840 that's an option that we can do. 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.340 I don't know if -- again, it's sort of up to -- I'll leave 00:14:00.340 --> 00:14:02.000 that up to you guys how you 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.870 want to handle that or just leave it as a work session item 00:14:04.870 --> 00:14:05.120 . 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:06.120 Okay. 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:07.120 Commissioner Smith. 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.980 Off topic of these, just for the public hearings, you 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:18.639 probably mentioned the spine here. 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.690 Do we need to make a motion to continue public hearing A 00:14:21.690 --> 00:14:23.480 and then B and C since they're for 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.120 items from withdrawal and we just -- 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:26.120 No action. 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:27.120 No action. 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:28.120 Okay. 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:29.120 Just wanted to make sure. 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:30.120 Yep. 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.120 Okay. 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:32.120 Is that it? 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:33.120 All right. 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:39.799 Well, with that, I will call a conclusion to our work 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:44.480 session at 517 and we will reconvene 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.799 in council chambers at 630. 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:48.799 Thank you. 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:54.960 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.320 Zoning Commission meeting for 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.279 January 10th, 2018. 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.870 This meeting's been duly posted and we do have a quorum 00:15:03.870 --> 00:15:05.279 present and I will call us to 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.840 order at 630. 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.919 Our first order of business will be to stand and give the 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:11.360 pledge to the U.S. and the Texas 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.360 flag. 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:19.269 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 00:15:19.269 --> 00:15:23.360 America and to the republic for 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:30.220 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:33.039 liberty and justice for all. 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:34.039 Honor the Texas flag. 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:44.700 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:48.879 one and indivisible. 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:50.710 Before we get started this evening on the rest of our 00:15:50.710 --> 00:15:52.240 agenda, I want to make an announcement 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.399 for some of you who may be here. 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:59.740 We have two items that are on our public hearing items, 4B 00:15:59.740 --> 00:16:03.600 and 4C, that are the Woodlands Project 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.519 on McKinney Street. 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.080 That item has been withdrawn from our meeting this evening. 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:12.460 So if you're here for that item or either of those two 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:14.519 items, that will not be heard 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.440 tonight and we do not have a date certain on that, so I'll 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:18.960 announce that before we get 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.360 started on the rest of our meeting. 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:27.750 With that announcement, we will now move on to our consent 00:16:27.750 --> 00:16:28.759 agenda. 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:32.480 Chair would entertain a motion on the consent agenda. 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:33.480 Commissioner Smith? 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.840 Motion to approve. 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:36.840 Commissioner Beck? 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:37.840 Second. 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:38.840 Okay. 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:39.960 We have a first and a second for approval. 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.220 Any discussion? 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:43.220 Commissioner Sullivan? 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:44.960 Not just a... 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:45.960 Okay. 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:56.370 We have a motion and a second for approval and we will call 00:16:56.370 --> 00:17:01.120 for a vote on the board. 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.079 Motion is going to carry 5 to 0. 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.740 That will take us to our items for individual consideration 00:17:08.740 --> 00:17:10.880 and I will call on Haley for 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:23.599 presentation of item P17-0010. 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:24.599 Good evening. 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.779 This item is a preliminary plat for the Creekside Subdiv 00:17:26.779 --> 00:17:28.400 ision located on the south side of Ryan 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:29.599 Road. 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.940 It's 137 residential lots and three common area lots. 00:17:33.940 --> 00:17:36.109 These are being developed in accordance with the terms of a 00:17:36.109 --> 00:17:37.279 pre-annexation development 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.720 agreement that was passed in 2016 by the City Council. 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.559 This is one of three phases for the entire Creekside 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:46.839 development. 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.299 Staff is recommending approval of this plan with the 00:17:49.299 --> 00:17:51.119 condition that the existing gas well 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.210 on site be plugged in accordance with the terms of the pre- 00:17:54.210 --> 00:17:56.240 annexation development agreement 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:58.450 and that a final plan not be considered by the Planning and 00:17:58.450 --> 00:17:59.680 Zoning Commission until such 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.559 time as the well is plugged. 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:03.559 Okay. 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.519 I can stand for any questions. 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.519 Questions? 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:11.519 Okay. 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:13.200 Great. 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.279 Thank you, Haley. 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:17.279 This is an item of individual consideration. 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.990 I have a number of cards here to speak on this item and I 00:18:20.990 --> 00:18:23.480 will start with the applicant, 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.480 Thomas Fletcher. 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:31.559 If you'll give your name and address. 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.799 Good evening, Commissioners. 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:38.180 Thomas Fletcher with Kimley-Horn, 5750 Genesis Court, Fr 00:18:38.180 --> 00:18:40.559 isco, Texas, 75034. 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.440 Appreciate y'all's consideration to this item tonight. 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.740 I realize there's a lot of citizens of Thistle Hill and 00:18:48.740 --> 00:18:52.079 maybe some of the surrounding neighborhoods 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.880 that are in attendance tonight that have some questions and 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:55.559 concerns. 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.369 What I'd like to do is kind of give an overview of the 00:18:58.369 --> 00:19:00.519 project and hopefully maybe that will 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:06.240 shed some light or maybe answer some of the questions that 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:07.359 are had. 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.279 If we can show the preliminary plat. 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.180 The preliminary plat, the portion that you're seeing on the 00:19:14.180 --> 00:19:15.880 screen here, this is the northern 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:17.559 portion of the track. 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.940 When we went through the PAD process, the PADA process with 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:22.640 the city, one of the things 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.319 we looked at is we wanted to do a development that really 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.440 took advantage of the existing 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:30.200 natural features of the track. 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.880 There's a lot of beautiful mature trees. 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.259 When we did the layout and the design and we were working 00:19:36.259 --> 00:19:38.119 with staff, we tried to keep 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.200 the residential lots kind of towards the center portion of 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.000 the track and create and keep the 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.599 buffers that are on the perimeter. 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.839 As you notice, there is a residential street running north 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:50.579 south. 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:53.839 We do not have lots that are backing to Thistle Hill. 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:58.359 We have a landscape buffer there of the existing trees. 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:02.400 It's approximately 120 feet wide on the north portion. 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:06.549 As you go further south, I think it trims down to about 80 00:20:06.549 --> 00:20:07.200 feet. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.960 Another thing when we were looking at this and we were 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.200 doing the layout, early on we 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.240 had looked at the Thistle Hill development. 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:19.630 When Thistle Hill was developed, Thistle Ridge actually had 00:20:19.630 --> 00:20:21.720 a right of way stub out to this 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:22.720 track. 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.109 When the development occurred, they did not build the road 00:20:26.109 --> 00:20:27.920 way stub in the plans that said 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.799 future right of way for future extension to connect to the 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.640 existing development. 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:36.839 As we worked with staff and we talked about the development 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:38.359 and concerns that Thistle 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.819 Hill might have with this connection to their development 00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:43.880 and bringing additional traffic 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:46.970 into their development, we looked at how do we meet the 00:20:46.970 --> 00:20:48.920 fire department or the fire code 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.609 requirement of two access points in the distance between 00:20:52.609 --> 00:20:54.200 those access points. 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:58.670 This particular track has an 80 foot wide piece that runs 00:20:58.670 --> 00:21:00.839 south to Creekdale Drive. 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.720 For our two points of access, we have access to Creekdale 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.279 and then we have access to Ryan 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.400 Road. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.529 You will have some traffic split that will go between the 00:21:10.529 --> 00:21:11.160 two. 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.569 Not all the traffic is going to be let out from the subdiv 00:21:14.569 --> 00:21:16.160 ision onto Ryan Road. 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:19.400 Also as part of the agreement, because of the impact, 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.240 because of what we were asking 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.599 of the city, we looked at Ryan Road. 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.869 We talked about improvements to Ryan Road or our portion of 00:21:29.869 --> 00:21:31.839 contribution to the improvements 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.980 or future improvements of Ryan Road. 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:38.660 Because there are concerns within the city about piece mill 00:21:38.660 --> 00:21:40.279 ing the roadway and doing 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.450 these little scab on pieces adjacent to development, the 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:47.079 decision was made with the city or by 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.400 the city that the escrow of funds to assist with the future 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.480 construction of Ryan Road 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.480 was in the best interest of the city. 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:02.420 The PADA stipulates that $589,000 will be donated by this 00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:04.799 development for perimeter 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.240 roadway improvements to Ryan Road. 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.599 That comes out to $4,300 per lot, which is more than twice 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:13.480 what the roadway impact fee 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:17.480 per lot is within the city's current ordinance. 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.779 Along the south where we abut to Ryan Ranch, we've got a 70 00:22:22.779 --> 00:22:25.279 foot buffer along there. 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:28.519 If you see this, this is the south portion of the track. 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.299 I know it's not, it's a little bit hard to see on the 00:22:31.299 --> 00:22:33.720 screen, but you've got the north-south 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.799 road that curves over and goes through the piece. 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.680 I'd call it a flag lot, but there's 80 foot wide there. 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.359 That's going to have a residential street, which will be 27 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.640 feet back to back. 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.700 There will be a sidewalk connecting the development down to 00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:52.160 Creekdale Drive. 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:57.220 There's a 70 foot buffer between the proposed development 00:22:57.220 --> 00:22:58.720 and Ryan Ranch. 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:03.019 The majority of the mature trees within all of these open 00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:05.400 spaces are to be preserved. 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.519 We've got trails throughout the development. 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:12.440 We're taking advantage of the nice open spaces and putting 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:14.519 in a meandering trail through 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:16.640 the trees. 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:20.279 To the east of the project, adjacent to the floodplain in 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.480 the actual creek, we're putting 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.970 in an amenity center with a children's playground and a 00:23:25.970 --> 00:23:27.160 swimming pool. 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:30.839 In the development, like as Haley had mentioned, the 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.599 development is contingent upon the well 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.599 being cap. 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.160 There's an existing gas well on the site. 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.359 As part of this development, that gas well is to be capped. 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.519 That process has already begun. 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.079 All the surface equipment has been removed. 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.079 The surface has been cleaned up. 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.759 Now we're waiting for the plugging company. 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.369 They're very busy at this time of the year, but we're on 00:23:52.369 --> 00:23:53.759 their schedule and we're waiting 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.359 for the plugging company to come up and cap the well. 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.119 That should occur within the next few weeks. 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.039 Anyway, that's kind of an overview. 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.400 I tried to hit on transportation, the open space, the gas 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:08.079 well. 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:10.970 I'll be happy to answer any questions and I'd be glad to 00:24:10.970 --> 00:24:12.839 come up afterwards if there's 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.059 questions that are generated from the residents that I 00:24:16.059 --> 00:24:17.880 could potentially answer. 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.960 Do you have a question? 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:20.960 Commissioner Smith. 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:21.960 Thank you, Commissioner. 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:22.960 Thank you, Chair. 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.640 Can you give me a rough estimate of property values for the 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.720 development that's going in? 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:31.599 Let me defer to the developer. 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:32.599 Sure. 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:33.599 Let him come up and introduce himself. 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:34.599 Stay up here. 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:35.599 I got another question for you. 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:36.599 Okay. 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.599 Go ahead. 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.599 Yeah, it's one of the property values. 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.049 Mr. Chairman, members of the Planning and Zoning Commission 00:24:43.049 --> 00:24:44.599 , I'm John Dickerson, 8333 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.200 Douglas, Suite 1300, Dallas, Texas. 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.859 I'm the president of Dickerson Development and we are very 00:24:50.859 --> 00:24:52.960 excited to be your applicant. 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.480 I actually own the property. 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.359 We've closed on the property in November, so we're the 00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:59.400 owners of this 47-acre tract. 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.990 We're very, very excited to be bringing this community into 00:25:03.990 --> 00:25:05.000 your city. 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.349 We have two home builders lined up for this community and 00:25:07.349 --> 00:25:08.519 the price range of the homes 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:13.799 that they've told us are $350,000 to $450,000. 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.039 Great. 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.119 The two different home builders that are coming in, one of 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:19.920 the questions that was raised by 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.099 a citizen and brought to me was the worry of a cookie 00:25:23.099 --> 00:25:25.079 cutter facade being put up. 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.880 Anything you could speak to that at all publicly? 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:28.880 Certainly. 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:32.650 The PADA, which was negotiated before we took over this 00:25:32.650 --> 00:25:35.000 property, addressed a lot of the 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.589 issues of site plans and setbacks to avoid the cookie 00:25:39.589 --> 00:25:42.400 cutter look that occurs in a lot 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:46.599 of communities throughout the Metroplex. 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.880 Namely, we stagger front yard setbacks. 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:55.200 There's basically three categories, A, B, and C, to stagger 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.839 so that there's not just 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.960 a linear line of front yard setback. 00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:04.559 Then in our homeowners association deed restrictions, we've 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.960 got restrictions on front elevations, 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:13.059 building materials, masonry, brick, and protections in 00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:16.279 there to make sure that it doesn't look 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:20.690 like there's not so many homes of the same type, that there 00:26:20.690 --> 00:26:22.680 's different product. 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.930 Did you guys drive through Thistle Hills at all to take 00:26:24.930 --> 00:26:26.559 ideas about how to create continuity 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.279 within the area, keep the façades at least looking the same 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:31.960 is the wrong word to use, 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.559 but something similar to what's already around it? 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:38.519 I think Thistle Hill is the standard or the quality of the 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.720 quality that we envision happening 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:42.720 on this property. 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:43.720 Great. 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:44.720 Absolutely. 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:45.720 Thanks, sir. 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:46.720 Yes. 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:47.720 Thank you, sir. 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:48.839 Did you guys ever have a neighborhood meeting with 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:49.680 residents of Thistle Hill to discuss 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:50.680 this? 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:51.680 No, we did not. 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.519 All the meetings were with city staff and the city 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:56.680 officials. 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:57.680 Sure. 00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.009 It's usually brought up during zoning issues, not usually 00:26:59.009 --> 00:27:00.079 during our preliminary platting, 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.029 but as you can probably see, this is a little bit more 00:27:02.029 --> 00:27:03.799 charged than our preliminary platting, 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:04.799 so stop at that. 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:05.799 Right. 00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:10.359 I think that was because the tract is currently located in 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:11.279 the ETJ. 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.140 As part of the PADA, once the final plat is approved, we 00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:17.319 have to submit for annexation 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:18.319 within 10 days. 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:19.319 Thanks. 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.319 More questions? 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:21.799 Okay. 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:22.799 Another question. 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:23.799 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:24.799 Thanks, Chair. 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.829 I know that you all have paid for the street impact fees or 00:27:27.829 --> 00:27:29.079 to be paid up front. 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:35.150 In fact, all three phases combined are going to be $896,700 00:27:35.150 --> 00:27:35.519 . 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.230 And my question is, since the traffic survey has not been 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:39.720 done, how do you know what you're 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.119 paying for? 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.200 So when we met with the city, the city was in the process 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.000 of doing their roadway impact 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:50.609 fee, and what the city's consultant had determined was they 00:27:50.609 --> 00:27:53.039 had gone through and done a study 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.390 of impacts on what a single family lot impacts within a 00:27:56.390 --> 00:27:58.079 certain area of Denton. 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.579 What does that impact have on the roadway infrastructure in 00:28:01.579 --> 00:28:02.440 the system? 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.200 And at the time, I think at one point, the city was looking 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.880 at bringing forward a $3,000 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.319 per lot impact fee. 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.720 And then as it went through the process, it was settled out 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.440 on a $2,000 per lot impact 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:19.440 fee. 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.920 But what the study shows is that the actual impact is a 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.200 little bit more significant than 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.200 that. 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.490 But if you make your roadway impact fee too high, then it 00:28:29.490 --> 00:28:31.440 could drive developers away. 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.500 Because this project is located in the ETJ, and we were 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:36.960 asking for a pre-annexation development 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:42.240 agreement, that's why we came in at a roadway impact fee 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:46.079 that is more in line with or appropriate 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.000 to the impact of our development. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:53.630 So that figure was determined by the city and presented to 00:28:53.630 --> 00:28:56.920 us as part of the pre-annexation 00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:58.119 development agreement. 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.819 So the study that was done by the city's consultant is what 00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:04.200 was utilized to help determine that 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.680 appropriate fee amount. 00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.289 Well, I guess what I'm asking is, is that going to pay just 00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:11.079 to re-asphalt Ryan Road? 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:12.079 Is it going to expand it? 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.680 No, what it does is that covers, like if we were to go out 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.680 and do the perimeter roadway 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.619 improvements, that fee is in line with the cost of that 00:29:22.619 --> 00:29:24.720 section of roadway. 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:29.460 So because if you go out and you drive, there are several 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:32.279 areas adjacent to the Walmart, 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:36.190 Forest Hill, Teasley Trails where with the development the 00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:38.279 road was actually constructed 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.559 and you get some incontinuity. 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.319 So the city said, well, if we start assessing these impact 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.519 fees versus having the developer 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.980 themselves build this small section or their half of the 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:52.200 roadway, then once we accumulate 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.119 a certain amount of dollars, we can start the process of 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.759 going out and doing schematic 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:02.259 design, determination of road section, determination of 00:30:02.259 --> 00:30:04.920 right of way acquisition. 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.200 We can go through and do our flood study. 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.289 So they can start using, so once these dollars are paid and 00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:13.559 put into the account, the city 00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:17.400 can start the process of planning for the improvements of 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.279 this road. 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.440 That planning will help them determine the overall, do an 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.160 estimation of the overall cost 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.680 and then they can use that to start looking for sources to 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:27.279 fund. 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.230 Because you have, I mean, if you look at the area, I think 00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:34.019 about 60% of the frontage adjacent 00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:36.460 to Ryan Road is already developed. 00:30:36.460 --> 00:30:38.700 So you don't have as much development that's going to come 00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:39.599 in and contribute. 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.849 So the city has to look at where are, what is the cost and 00:30:43.849 --> 00:30:46.859 then how can we fund the improvements 00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:48.079 to the overall roadway. 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.240 - You trust it more than I do. 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:55.880 But y'all are going to be adding about what, 137 homes? 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:56.880 Is that right? 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.880 - Correct. 00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:58.880 - 137 homes. 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.480 My concern is that Thistle Hill, phase one and two has 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.319 about 150 homes. 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.970 And a couple of years ago, there was a traffic survey done 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:10.200 on Andrew because residents were 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.079 concerned about the speeding of cars because it's pretty 00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:14.640 straight shot from the back of 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.319 Thistle Hill to Ryan Road. 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:23.170 And during the five day period, they had 2,968 cars that 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:26.440 went southbound from Ryan Road onto 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.160 Andrew. 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:33.430 Another 3,173 cars that went northbound going from Andrew 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:34.880 onto Ryan Road. 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:40.880 So that's 6,141 cars that were either going onto or off of 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.220 Ryan Road. 00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:45.589 So that means that y'all's development is going to add an 00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.079 additional 6,000 cars going 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.839 into or out of Ryan Road, but they're going to be traveling 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.059 that Ryan Road. 00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:58.109 How do y'all plan to get people out in a safe and expedited 00:31:58.109 --> 00:32:00.400 manner when you have all 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.160 of these cars coming within, what, 300 feet of each other 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.759 from Andrew to street A or whatever 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:08.759 you call it? 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.549 The driveway spacing, when we look at the driveway spacing 00:32:11.549 --> 00:32:13.240 from Thistle Hill to our entry 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.430 road, we look at the city's, the ultimate use of that road 00:32:17.430 --> 00:32:18.039 way. 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.000 What is the ultimate design section? 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:21.279 What is the spacing? 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.099 So if you look at Ryan Road and you drive up, there's a lot 00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:25.599 of, because it's developed 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.720 over time, there's a lot of homes that front Ryan Road. 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:35.039 So you have a lot of driveways with spacing that is 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.400 relatively close. 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.400 I think there's probably, you could probably find drives 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.759 that are within 75 to 100 feet. 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.829 Well when we look at our development, we go through our 00:32:45.829 --> 00:32:47.759 design, we set our entry to where 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.700 it is, the distance apart from the entry to Thistle Hill 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:55.480 meets the city's thoroughfare 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:59.529 standards or traffic design standards so that there's 00:32:59.529 --> 00:33:02.279 adequate sight distance, there's 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:03.759 adequate visibility. 00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:07.450 So somebody that stopped in our development at Ryan Road, 00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:09.720 they have good sight visibility, 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.839 there's nothing impeding their visibility, and there's not 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.240 going to be a car coming out 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.279 of an adjacent driveway, whereas if they're coming out 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.359 quickly and we're coming, somebody 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.789 in ours is coming out slowly where it would create an issue 00:33:22.789 --> 00:33:23.079 . 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.890 As far as the traffic count, I would imagine if those 00:33:25.890 --> 00:33:28.079 traffic count numbers, I would assume 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.779 that those traffic count numbers probably included maybe 00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:34.279 traffic that was going through Thistle 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.759 Hill to get south to Creek Delta, maybe other developments. 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:41.259 So from a traffic, I'm not a traffic engineer, but working 00:33:41.259 --> 00:33:43.119 with our traffic engineers, I 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.269 know that a residential, single family residential 00:33:46.269 --> 00:33:49.440 development typically generates about 9.5 trips 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:50.539 per day. 00:33:50.539 --> 00:33:54.789 So if you round that up to 10, you're talking about 1,370 00:33:54.789 --> 00:33:56.759 trips per day that's generated 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.079 from this development. 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:03.829 In a peak hour, AM and PM, it's around one per lot, so you 00:34:03.829 --> 00:34:06.680 're talking about 137 peak 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:11.719 hour trips that are added to the roadway system. 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.670 Because the way our development is laid out, one of the 00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:16.360 things we did is, so we didn't 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:22.500 have a straight through from Creekdale up to Ryan, we made 00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:25.239 it to where anyone coming 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.440 or trying to go through the development would have to come 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:29.719 down and go around. 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.400 So we made several turns within the development that they 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.480 would have to make. 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.119 We didn't want to create a straight cut through. 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.000 Studies have shown that if you make it harder for someone 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:40.039 to cut through, you're going 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:42.219 to reduce that traffic. 00:34:42.219 --> 00:34:44.670 So we didn't want to make this a development that's going 00:34:44.670 --> 00:34:46.039 to create an opportunity for 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.840 a lot of cut through traffic. 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.539 So I don't know if maybe their development has some cut 00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:52.960 through traffic in those numbers, 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.090 but from a TIA standpoint, we would expect that 1,370 trips 00:34:57.090 --> 00:34:58.840 would be generated from this 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:00.360 development per day. 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.400 We would assume a certain percentage of those are going to 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:05.000 go down to Creekdale and then 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.119 go further south from there. 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:11.349 What that percentage is without a TIA, I would probably 00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:14.079 guess that you might have 25% go 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.260 south and 75% go north. 00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:20.599 Just because the lots on the southern portion of the 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.260 development, it's going to be quicker 00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:25.519 for them to get out if they go down to Creekdale. 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.639 Then I'm not sure there's another north-south connector 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.440 street that goes out and I think 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.039 comes out over by Sprouts. 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.920 I'm not sure of all the street names. 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.679 But that would be one way that the residents would get out 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.639 and over to 2181. 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:44.030 Well, they'd have to go to Creekdale to River Pass, Hickory 00:35:44.030 --> 00:35:46.039 Creek to then go on Hickory 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:50.760 Creek, which is probably worse condition than Ryan Road. 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:55.019 Let me ask you, did y'all talk to Ryan Ranch people, 00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:57.840 residents as far as dumping ever how 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.559 many people into their neighborhood? 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.000 We don't have any connectivity to their neighborhood. 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.000 Well, Creekdale. 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.340 Well, Creekdale, I believe River Chase, if it's the correct 00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:09.199 street. 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:10.199 Yeah, River Pass. 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:11.199 River Pass. 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:12.199 It's a collector. 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:13.199 Yeah, that's the western boundary of ... 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.219 There's a north-south collector that ties into Creekdale 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:19.119 that doesn't have any lots 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.440 located on it. 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.650 Ryan Ranch, it's my understanding if I'm thinking correctly 00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:28.039 , because I know when we looked at 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:32.110 the sewer, because one of the things we looked at with the 00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:34.440 city is taking the Granada lift 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.699 station offline and making it gravity, which would save the 00:36:37.699 --> 00:36:39.639 city money with operation expense 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:41.239 for that lift station. 00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.989 One of the things we had to look at is there needed some 00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:46.280 upsizing of some of the sewer 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.739 lines further south in that, I believe it's River Pass, 00:36:49.739 --> 00:36:50.760 River Chase. 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.639 Yeah, River Pass, yeah. 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.230 They mentioned that when we were talking about, they 00:36:55.230 --> 00:36:57.239 mentioned that if there was any upsizing 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.230 required, they could potentially go that route because it's 00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:03.280 a collector and it did not impact 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:08.440 any lots or a sewer line with services on it. 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:11.309 But I'd have to look at a map to verify that because I'm 00:37:11.309 --> 00:37:12.199 not ... 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:13.199 Okay. 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:14.199 Thank you. 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.760 It is River Pass, River Pass Drive. 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.639 Are there lots fronting River Pass? 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:21.639 They back to it. 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:22.639 Back to it. 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:23.639 Thank you. 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:28.480 On the east side, the east side lots back to it and the 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.719 west of that is still farmland. 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:36.559 Any other questions for the applicant? 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:37.559 Thank you. 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:42.150 This is an individual agenda item and so I do have several 00:37:42.150 --> 00:37:44.920 other cards wishing to speak. 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.829 I'll just take these in the order in which they were 00:37:46.829 --> 00:37:47.480 presented. 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.480 I have Richard, I believe, Bodo, 3913 Maggie Meadow and it 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.599 's not marked whether it's in 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:56.320 support of opposition. 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.820 Please come forward, give us your name and address and then 00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:01.239 the card I have to follow 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.840 you will be Karn Catherwood. 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:05.840 Yes. 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.960 Good evening. 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.440 Thanks for the opportunity to speak to the board or to the 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.440 commission. 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.800 I am a member of Thistle Hills. 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:22.840 Richard Bodo, 3913 Maggie's Meadow in Denton, 76210. 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:28.630 I am actually the president of our Thistle Hills phase one 00:38:28.630 --> 00:38:31.079 HOA newly formed about one 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.039 year ago. 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.090 We do have some concerns, I wouldn't call it complete 00:38:38.090 --> 00:38:41.719 opposition, but we have some concerns 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:42.719 on the new neighborhood. 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.710 One, I guess I didn't get the question quickly and enough 00:38:46.710 --> 00:38:48.159 to the applicant. 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:56.090 There's, I believe, it was indicated that there's 120 to 80 00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:58.559 feet wide buffer on the 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:04.360 one side and presently there's multiple trees that are 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.840 tagged with yellow ribbons, but there's 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.139 a whole lot of foliage in that area as well that are major 00:39:12.139 --> 00:39:13.920 trees that are not. 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.380 I guess I would like to first of all ask the question if we 00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:20.760 can get an understanding if 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.670 just the ones that are tagged yellow at the moment are 00:39:23.670 --> 00:39:25.440 planned to be saved or more than 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.400 just that in that area. 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:31.389 Okay, can I ask you if you have several questions for the 00:39:31.389 --> 00:39:33.280 applicant or just one? 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:34.679 Probably the rest are more for the city. 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:38.010 Okay, I'll ask the applicant to please come forward and let 00:39:38.010 --> 00:39:42.920 's address the. 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.769 As far as the tree tags, we have not done any tagging to 00:39:46.769 --> 00:39:49.039 signify what's being removed 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:50.440 versus what's being saved. 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.530 So when we go out and do our tree survey, when they tag 00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:55.719 certain trees, typically that's 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.900 going to, the city of Denton has different classifications 00:39:58.900 --> 00:39:59.679 for trees. 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.210 So the trees that have the ribbon would meet a certain 00:40:03.210 --> 00:40:05.639 classification, but what we do is 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.079 we go out and we tag, we'll tag and tie all the trees that 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.719 are six inches or larger, then 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.000 we go through and put together a tree survey. 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.219 When we did our development, our design, we, that buffer, 00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.360 the distance we set the buffer 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:28.000 enabled us to look at minimal impacts to the trees. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.099 So there's very minimal, there are some trees that are 00:40:31.099 --> 00:40:33.559 being removed, but within that primary 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:39.190 120 feet width, the majority of those trees are being 00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:40.599 preserved. 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.059 As far as when we have to go out and do some grading right 00:40:43.059 --> 00:40:44.679 up by the right of way, typically 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:49.420 if there's a tree within 10 to 15 foot of the right of way, 00:40:49.420 --> 00:40:51.280 the grading activity is 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:56.349 going to usually damage the tree to where it wouldn't 00:40:56.349 --> 00:40:57.559 survive. 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.400 So any tree within probably 110 feet of that back property 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:03.079 line would be preserved. 00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.829 And then that 10 and then 50 foot right of way, those were 00:41:05.829 --> 00:41:07.159 where you would start seeing 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:08.960 tree removal. 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.550 And then we're doing a trail through the trees and 00:41:11.550 --> 00:41:13.519 basically what we do on the design for 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.389 the trail through the trees is it's kind of a design build 00:41:16.389 --> 00:41:17.840 trail so that we can kind of 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.079 go through and weave through the trees and so that we're 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.039 not removing trees to add concrete 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.039 walk. 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.989 We're building a concrete walk within the trees so that the 00:41:27.989 --> 00:41:30.360 citizens can enjoy the trees 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.360 within the area. 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:32.360 Does that answer your question? 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:33.360 It does. 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:34.360 Okay. 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.639 I have a follow up while you're there at the mic. 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.559 Have you already done your tree survey? 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:39.559 We have. 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:40.559 We have done the tree survey. 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.519 It's been submitted to the city for review. 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:45.840 We've done our grading plan. 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:50.119 Our construction plans are under review through the city. 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.619 So I'd have to go back and relook at the numbers, but if we 00:41:53.619 --> 00:41:55.519 looked at the overall tract and 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.360 we looked at the percentage of canopy and caliper inches 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.280 that we're saving, I think 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:06.480 we're saving about 65% of the caliper inches on the site. 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.639 The city has two different standards. 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.519 They have canopy trees and then they have trees that are 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.119 kind of individual trees. 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:19.119 But as far as canopy goes, the requirement is preserving 20 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:20.480 %, I believe. 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:26.349 I know a lot of the standards have been reviewed and there 00:42:26.349 --> 00:42:29.079 's changes that are maybe being proposed. 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.590 But the last time I looked, if something's been updated or 00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:34.280 changed, then I may not be 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:35.880 speaking to what's current. 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:41.469 But based on what's current, we're saving about probably 00:42:41.469 --> 00:42:44.639 around 45% over and above what 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.079 would typically be required. 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:51.400 So it's a very conservative approach, a very preservation- 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.280 oriented approach to the trees. 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.280 I figured it was. 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:56.780 I'm going to give you the opportunity to address that. 00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:58.599 So thank you for answering my question. 00:42:58.599 --> 00:42:59.599 Please. 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.599 May I ask him one additional question? 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:02.599 Sure. 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.639 With the development . . . 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.900 Can you step closer to the mic so we can make sure and get 00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:11.480 it on the recording? 00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:12.480 I apologize. 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:17.170 So with the development against Ryan Road, can you help us 00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:19.559 understand what type of, if 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.269 you're going to have a wall in front of the development to 00:43:24.269 --> 00:43:27.000 Ryan Road and the construction 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:28.360 of that wall? 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:29.679 Yeah, absolutely. 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:31.920 We are going to have a screening wall. 00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.340 So one of the other things we did is, if you notice on the 00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:37.360 connection to Ryan Road, a lot 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.519 of developments will typically back lots to Ryan Road. 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.059 We wanted ours to be kind of set back and create a buffer. 00:43:44.059 --> 00:43:47.070 So not only do we have the 120-foot buffer along our 00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:49.000 western edge, we've carried that 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.679 through across Ryan. 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:55.440 We are, as part of our requirements, we're going to have a 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.340 masonry screen wall across 00:43:57.340 --> 00:44:00.260 Ryan Road. 00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:03.960 And then we also have an entry feature that's going to look 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.039 . . . John could probably describe 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:11.820 it better than I can, but it's going to be an entry 00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:15.320 monument that kind of has a bridge 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.480 type feel as if you were going across a covered bridge into 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:20.400 a . . . 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.400 Appalachian. 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.679 I knew you had a word for it. 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.880 An Appalachian style entry feature. 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.639 So it will be a real nice entryway. 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.869 We've got a divided median for the street that's connecting 00:44:34.869 --> 00:44:35.800 to Ryan Road. 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.000 So that divided median will have landscaping in it. 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.800 So the amenity center will sit right in here. 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.809 So as you're going westbound on Ryan Road and you look down 00:44:45.809 --> 00:44:47.440 through the creek and all, 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.679 you'll be able to see the amenity center, the children's 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:50.880 playground and the swimming 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.880 pool. 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.960 As you turn into Street A, we've got an HOA lot. 00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.000 So when you turn in, you're not going to see homes right of 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:00.599 way. 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.960 We have a masonry screen wall along there as well that kind 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.440 of protects those first 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.210 row of homes so that the headlights aren't shining into 00:45:09.210 --> 00:45:11.679 homes or backyards or anything. 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:16.809 So we've got real nice landscaping, hardscaping designed 00:45:16.809 --> 00:45:18.440 for this entry. 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:22.679 So there's quite a bit of beautification that's going on 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.840 right there at Ryan Road. 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:25.840 Thank you. 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:26.840 Please continue. 00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:27.840 Okay. 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.840 The next, thank you. 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:36.559 The next question that I had is with the addition of Creeks 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.559 ide now in addition to Teasley Trails, 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.400 Forest Meadows, Ryan Meadows, so now we'll have basically 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.360 four new developments coming 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:48.000 in there. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.349 There was a traffic impact study for Ryan Road, I believe, 00:45:52.349 --> 00:45:54.280 done in 2014. 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.980 And the first question is, is there, what is the plan to 00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:02.880 have another study done now 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.360 that all these four new neighborhoods are coming in and the 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.000 study was done before any 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.320 of them have basically been in at all? 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:13.320 Okay. 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.960 That'd be something to have to ask staff to speak to on H 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:18.880 aley or Richard who would like 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:24.920 to take that. 00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:28.070 At this time, there are no immediate plans for any traffic 00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:29.559 study that I'm aware of. 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.929 But as he mentioned with the impact fees being collected 00:46:31.929 --> 00:46:33.440 for each of the new subdivisions, 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.550 the city will ask her that money and have it available when 00:46:36.550 --> 00:46:38.079 the plans are made for Ryan 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.320 Road to be fully improved to its full right of way. 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.559 I think Commissioner Beck has a follow up question for you 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:45.000 Haley. 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.519 Thank you Chair. 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:51.230 Okay, nobody's talked about it yet, but correct me if I'm 00:46:51.230 --> 00:46:52.079 wrong. 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.239 On our mobility plan, isn't Ryan Road scheduled to become 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.880 either a main arterial or secondary 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.880 arterial, a four lane road, possibly even with a medium in 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:02.679 the middle? 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.750 I know that could be way down the road, but isn't that in 00:47:05.750 --> 00:47:07.599 the plans on our mobility plan? 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:08.599 Yes, sir. 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.719 The ultimate attendance for it to be a secondary arterial, 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:12.119 that would be at least 110 feet 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.119 of right of way. 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.219 So at least four lanes divided. 00:47:15.219 --> 00:47:16.599 So that's something to look forward to. 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.519 The problem is that may not happen anytime soon. 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.480 Yeah, that's the ultimate intent. 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.880 Okay, but it would be able to handle a lot of the traffic 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:25.239 that these developments are 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.639 going to bring in when that happens. 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:28.639 Yeah. 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:29.639 Okay, thank you. 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.460 I hate to have Haley getting up and down, so maybe if we 00:47:33.460 --> 00:47:35.280 just keep her here close. 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.840 She can take a seat right there. 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:37.840 Keep her here close. 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:38.840 Close by, sure. 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.840 Because the next question, I'm sorry. 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.679 No, you're fine, go ahead. 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.570 Because the next question really becomes, when do we think 00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:48.880 that will be with 137 homes 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:53.659 here, with the other three subdivisions, which are hundreds 00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:55.280 of homes in there. 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:04.920 With the one, sorry, I don't have the names all down. 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:09.250 With the Ryan Meadows there, I think we were just talking 00:48:09.250 --> 00:48:11.519 about it over Christmas that 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:15.360 before the beginning of last year, there was a lot of dirt 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.039 work done, but we didn't see 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.719 a home in there and we turn around now and there has to be 00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.559 30 or more homes in there, 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.340 several waiting on some permits, I think, and then moment 00:48:27.340 --> 00:48:28.679 arily people start flooding 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.119 into that neighborhood. 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:37.980 They're flooding into forest meadows and teesley 00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:39.860 continuously. 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:46.789 We expect to see a huge influx of traffic in there very, 00:48:46.789 --> 00:48:49.000 very quickly. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:54.389 Can the commission help us to understand when we think that 00:48:54.389 --> 00:48:56.880 road is going to happen and 00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:00.440 where do we go to make sure that happens before we run into 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.519 problems both with traffic and 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:03.519 both with safety? 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:05.440 We also have an elementary school back there. 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.599 Needless to say, if we've got a lot of traffic there and we 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.880 have a problem, obviously we 00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:17.150 have people parking on our right of way there in front of 00:49:17.150 --> 00:49:20.119 Thistle Hills on the median on 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:21.119 a regular basis. 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.239 I didn't realize that was a parking lot, by the way. 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.940 That happens on a regular basis, so we have cars all over 00:49:28.940 --> 00:49:30.119 the place. 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.000 Question one is when do we believe that that will actually 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:34.400 happen and become a road? 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:39.960 Then number two, we talked about this kiddie that all the 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:43.039 developers are throwing money 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:44.039 into. 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.329 At what threshold does this kiddie hit the mark that says, 00:49:47.329 --> 00:49:48.920 "Okay, it's time to spend 00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.639 us," and start doing something to the roads? 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.280 I'll take a stab at that. 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.679 That's not something that our commission deals with. 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.250 That's something that actually is going to be internal city 00:50:00.250 --> 00:50:01.280 staff and policy that they 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.300 draft, so we can't address when those improvements will be 00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:07.239 or what the timeframe is. 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.619 That was something that you would need to address to city 00:50:10.619 --> 00:50:12.280 staff directly on that. 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.639 I'm sorry that that's just the honest answer that I can 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:16.480 give you. 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:17.480 Okay. 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:23.769 As we would address that to city staff in a non-event like 00:50:23.769 --> 00:50:26.800 this, where would we then 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.460 put that on record for the issue that we have in need out 00:50:30.460 --> 00:50:31.199 there? 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.280 Looks like staff would like to weigh in here. 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.440 Richard, if you can. 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.079 A lot of that happens. 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:44.750 Every year we look at it, they do a capital improvement 00:50:44.750 --> 00:50:45.519 plan. 00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.269 What they'll look at is the amount of money that's 00:50:48.269 --> 00:50:49.199 collected. 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.570 Part of the issue, particularly with Ryan and the applicant 00:50:52.570 --> 00:50:54.199 's representative, kind of 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.380 headed to that, sort of to the west of you, there's still a 00:50:57.380 --> 00:50:58.920 lot of single family homes 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:03.199 that abut Ryan Road. 00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.960 There's quite a bit of acquisition that still needs to take 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:06.480 place. 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:11.719 Some of that occurs when there's a plat. 00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.210 It's just a matter of acquiring that right away and at what 00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:15.760 time. 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.949 When they come into plat, that's usually when the city is 00:51:19.949 --> 00:51:22.159 able to acquire that land. 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:26.849 Otherwise, you're sort of really negotiating with a home 00:51:26.849 --> 00:51:29.519 owner to try to purchase that. 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:33.389 I'll just further say that, of course, this is the 00:51:33.389 --> 00:51:35.480 preliminary plat stage. 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.090 As this development continues, there will be other public 00:51:40.090 --> 00:51:42.320 forums within this board or 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.840 with the city council to put those comments on record, I 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.159 think is what you were asking, 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:49.159 right? 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:50.159 Yes. 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.159 Okay. 00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.760 Thank you for your comments. 00:51:53.760 --> 00:52:05.239 My next speaker is Karn Catherwood to be followed by John 00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.199 Dickerson. 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:11.800 Good evening, gentlemen and ladies. 00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:13.239 My name is Karn Catherwood. 00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:19.079 I live at 3941 Andrew Avenue, which is the freeway that 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.360 runs through the middle of Thistle 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:23.360 Hills Estates. 00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:26.559 We have a huge traffic problem. 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.000 I've lived there 11 years. 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.360 I'm aware of the concerns of most of the people who have 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.199 moved in since we've been there and 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.639 those who were there before us. 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.630 Most of these concerns have been answered by the previous 00:52:43.630 --> 00:52:45.280 gentleman, and I'm grateful 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.519 to hear some positive answers. 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.730 I won't go back over those issues that he's already 00:52:52.730 --> 00:52:53.719 addressed. 00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:58.440 I would like to just mention once again and emphasize that 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.820 there is a need for a traffic 00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:05.309 survey, traffic study, whether this is something that you 00:53:05.309 --> 00:53:08.360 guys do or that is delegated to somebody 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.659 else. 00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:13.679 We are very worried about Gridlock and Ryan Road. 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.199 All the new subdivisions, I'm not against them. 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.800 I'm glad that they're there. 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.639 We have to fill in the South Denton with folks, and that's 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.039 what we're doing. 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:29.409 But Ryan Road is not quite what I would call a mess, but it 00:53:29.409 --> 00:53:31.440 's getting there. 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.559 It's a little fuzzy in my mind whether or not there is a 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.320 traffic survey planned. 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.650 There was one done I think in 2014, but with all the houses 00:53:40.650 --> 00:53:42.800 , all the people, all the cars, 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.559 you really need to do another one. 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.750 It needs to be official, not just something that a 00:53:46.750 --> 00:53:48.599 developer does, and I'm grateful for 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:53.420 the input from those who are developing Creekside, and that 00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:56.280 's helpful, but something that is 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.820 official from Country Club to Teasley, the whole length of 00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:02.000 the road in front of the elementary 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.159 school. 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:05.360 We need something done officially. 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.070 It will cost a few bucks, I know, but it would make the 00:54:09.070 --> 00:54:12.239 people in my neighborhood very happy, 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.219 and with time, it would probably accelerate Ryan Road 00:54:15.219 --> 00:54:17.320 becoming Four Lanes, which is going 00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:19.559 to have to become at some point in the future. 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:23.019 So I just throw that out there as something for you folks 00:54:23.019 --> 00:54:24.199 to think about. 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.760 One other item, and I'll be very brief. 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.900 When preapproval was given for Creekside back in August of 00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:33.920 2016, those of us who live next 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.119 door to them knew nothing about it. 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.480 It was really done very quietly and very discreetly. 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.480 We all wish it had been done a little bit more publicly. 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.519 We wish we had known a little bit about it. 00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:48.519 We didn't. 00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.880 We thought all that land was still for sale, and I was sort 00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:53.719 of shocked and surprised just 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.199 a couple of weeks ago to find out that this kind of 00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.840 development and analysis had been 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.679 going on for a couple of years. 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.739 I know it takes time to do this analysis, and the folks 00:55:05.739 --> 00:55:08.199 involved have done, from what 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:10.849 I can see, a very good job, and I compliment them, but I 00:55:10.849 --> 00:55:12.480 wish there had been a little bit 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.440 more openness about it. 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:18.369 It has created a funny impression in my neighborhood, and 00:55:18.369 --> 00:55:21.400 you don't want to create those kinds of 00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:25.090 funny impressions, because you have to deal with them, and 00:55:25.090 --> 00:55:27.239 people exaggerate and get worried, 00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.199 and there's no point in that happening. 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.280 A little bit more openness would have been helpful. 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:38.110 I do want to congratulate the developer for the plans for 00:55:38.110 --> 00:55:41.360 common areas in the new neighborhood, 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:42.840 plans to keep the trees. 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:44.280 We were all worried about that. 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.539 They're going to come in now and cut down all of our 00:55:47.539 --> 00:55:50.039 beautiful trees that we have hanging 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.179 over our backyards from the other side of the fence that 00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:56.320 divides us from the new area 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:57.320 for Creekside. 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.199 They're going to keep, I think he said 65 percent or 45 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:01.559 percent of them, quite a few 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:02.559 of them. 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.650 Thank you, thank you, thank you on behalf of the folks 00:56:05.650 --> 00:56:08.239 whose homes back up to your neighborhood. 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.880 We'll watch you as you're building your houses, because we 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.440 can see you out there. 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.809 Thank you as well to whoever did it, that the gas well, 00:56:16.809 --> 00:56:18.679 which was directly in back of 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:24.380 my backyard, within 400 feet of my property, is now defunct 00:56:24.380 --> 00:56:25.440 and dead. 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.329 I'm so grateful that we don't have to look out our kitchen 00:56:28.329 --> 00:56:29.920 window and see that horrible 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:33.869 apparatus and the infrastructure and know what's going on 00:56:33.869 --> 00:56:35.400 behind the scenes. 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.840 I'm all for gas wells, mind you. 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.329 I know we need them in Texas, but when they were that close 00:56:42.329 --> 00:56:44.039 to my backyard, that was a 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:45.400 little worrisome. 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.619 Thank you that that is now defunct and we can look at some 00:56:48.619 --> 00:56:50.320 nice houses rather than have 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.300 to look at stuff like that. 00:56:52.300 --> 00:56:53.559 Thank you for your attention. 00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.559 Thank you for your comments, sir. 00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:57.039 Just a clarification. 00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.039 Mr. Dickson, have you already spoke? 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.039 Okay. 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:01.039 Let me go on. 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:13.079 I have Billy Carraway, 3909 Andrew Avenue. 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:17.210 I'm Billy Carraway, 3909 Andrew Avenue, and our home backs 00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:18.719 up to the development. 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.400 I think most of my questions have been answered. 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:25.039 I do have a couple to the developer. 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.289 They had resurfaced Rhine Road and then they put the 00:57:28.289 --> 00:57:30.800 housing condition down at the end. 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:33.159 Within two weeks, all Rhine Roads tore up. 00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:37.150 How are we going to handle this, keeping it from getting 00:57:37.150 --> 00:57:39.840 tore up once construction starts? 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:44.539 The other one is most of the people on Andrew Avenue all 00:57:44.539 --> 00:57:46.679 have swimming pools. 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:48.480 Where are we going to put the batch plants at? 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.119 Are they going to be right up close to us or are we going 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.119 to put them back when they 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.320 start building the roads out there? 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.719 Those are my two questions. 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:56.719 Great. 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:57.719 That's all I have. 00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:58.719 Thank you. 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.420 I'll ask the developer's last card I have and he can 00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.639 address those two questions for 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:02.639 us. 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:06.070 The last card I have is John Dickerson or if you'd like to 00:58:06.070 --> 00:58:08.159 have your, Mr. Fletcher speak 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:11.880 on your behalf, that'd be fine with me. 00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.690 I'll answer the first question first as far as the batch 00:58:14.690 --> 00:58:15.239 plant. 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.650 The batch plant would be located within the development on 00:58:19.650 --> 00:58:22.119 the outside of the tree preserve 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.480 kind of in the lots. 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.000 Typically what they'll do is they'll come in, they'll do 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.360 all the earth work, they'll 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.710 bench the lots, they'll create an area within the lots that 00:58:31.710 --> 00:58:33.480 's flat where they can set up 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:35.199 the batch plant. 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.960 They'll go in, they'll put all the utilities in. 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.550 Once they get ready to pave, typically the paving on a 00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:42.119 project like this is probably 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.280 only going to take four to five weeks at the most. 00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.489 So the amount of time the batch plant would be up would 00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:51.440 probably be four to five weeks 00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:55.780 and the batch plant would probably be located no closer 00:58:55.780 --> 00:58:57.719 than 250 feet. 00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:00.860 I think there's requirements within the city code that we 00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:01.920 have to follow. 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.269 I'm not sure exactly what that distance is, but just the 00:59:05.269 --> 00:59:07.139 areas that would accommodate 00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:12.219 the batch plant would probably be well over 200 feet from 00:59:12.219 --> 00:59:14.719 those back property lines. 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:18.579 As far as the roadway construction, generally when we go 00:59:18.579 --> 00:59:20.760 through and have pre-con, the city 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.460 inspectors go out and they do an inspection of Ryan Road, 00:59:24.460 --> 00:59:26.480 the existing conditions. 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:29.480 The city inspectors are monitoring the contractors 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:31.920 throughout the development process. 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.829 If there's damage to Ryan Road that they feel is directly 00:59:34.829 --> 00:59:36.679 associated with the construction 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:40.320 or a specific contractor, they will note that and that will 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.119 be something that they will 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:46.599 have to fix or remedy. 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:49.949 That portion of the process is really, I would say it's 00:59:49.949 --> 00:59:52.199 really governed or watched over by 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:56.039 the city inspectors, but there is a process to where they 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.119 're watching the construction 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:02.300 and making note of any damages that they feel that were 01:00:02.300 --> 01:00:05.400 accounted for by the construction. 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:09.099 Mr. Hutchins, while you're at the microphone, city staff 01:00:09.099 --> 01:00:11.360 has all of your contact information 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.360 for you and your firms, is that correct? 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.329 Any of the residents that are here that may have some 01:00:15.329 --> 01:00:16.639 follow-up questions or so forth 01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:20.190 can certainly reach out to Haley and request contact 01:00:20.190 --> 01:00:22.760 information for you to follow up with 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.320 additional questions if they have them. 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:26.320 Absolutely. 01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:27.519 I'd be happy to. 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.099 The other thing, I apologize I didn't bring it tonight, we 01:00:30.099 --> 01:00:31.800 've got some real nice renderings, 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.800 color renderings. 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.760 If I would have realized that there were a lot of questions 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.239 , I would have brought that 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:38.559 and shared that with you. 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:41.039 I'm happy to provide that and share it. 01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.639 It shows kind of the tree preserves, the trails, the 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.280 amenities that we're doing, it shows the 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:50.340 entry feature, it shows the screening fences. 01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:54.519 So if there's interest in that, I would be happy to share. 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:58.090 That's part of the PADA, so it is a public document, but I 01:00:58.090 --> 01:00:59.920 'll be glad to email that out 01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:00.920 to anyone. 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:02.519 Where can they get that if it's a public document? 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:04.119 They could request it through the city. 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:09.239 It's part of Ordinance 2016-251. 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.380 The documents, a lot of times when they scan the ordinance, 01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:13.920 the quality of the exhibits 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:17.340 isn't quite what it would be if I provided the PDF, so they 01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:18.960 can either get it through 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:22.880 there or I'll be happy to provide that to anyone that would 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.280 want a copy of it. 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:25.320 Okay, great. 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:26.320 Thank you for that. 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:27.320 You have something? 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.269 I just wanted to add, if someone is interested in receiving 01:01:30.269 --> 01:01:31.760 that document, at the end of 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:35.119 the meeting, if you want to provide your email address to 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.000 Athenia, we can email that out 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.000 to everyone tomorrow. 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.000 Okay, great. 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.000 Thank you. 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:44.519 That's all the cards that I have here before us. 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.829 This is not a public hearing, but it is an item for 01:01:46.829 --> 01:01:48.380 individual consideration. 01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:51.000 So if you would like to speak on the item, you may. 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:56.079 You'll need to fill out a card, and I have no more cards. 01:01:56.079 --> 01:02:00.719 So with that, I will move us on on this particular item and 01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:04.199 open the floor up, and then Commissioner 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:05.199 Sullivan. 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.119 Thank you, Chair. 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:11.909 My biggest concern about this project is simply the traffic 01:02:11.909 --> 01:02:14.679 that is going to be the result, 01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:19.429 resulting on Ryan Road, number one, Hickory Creek, second 01:02:19.429 --> 01:02:21.840 of all, because I don't think 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.599 that when you look at the size of Thistle Hill and how many 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:27.760 trips that generates, you're 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:32.079 all going to be about the same size, and who knows how many 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.519 cars are going to be in there. 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:38.150 The last traffic survey, as has been mentioned, was 2014, 01:02:38.150 --> 01:02:39.800 and that was for just a portion 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:43.280 of Ryan Road, not the entire Ryan Road. 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:48.170 Since then, Teasley Trail has added 167 homes, Ryan Meadows 01:02:48.170 --> 01:02:51.519 141, to go along with 150-some 01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.869 odd in Thistle Hill, plus who knows how many in Forest 01:02:54.869 --> 01:02:59.639 Ridge and Montecito subdivisions. 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.849 Forest Ridge and Montecito were on the north side of Sharon 01:03:03.849 --> 01:03:04.519 Rose. 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:09.480 Elementary schools at both ends, plus a Walmart on the 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.400 eastern end of it. 01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:14.780 I noticed in the handout that we got this evening for next 01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:16.800 meeting that a traffic analysis 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.719 is required, but the development would generate equal to or 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:21.760 more than 1,000 vehicle trips 01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:22.760 per day. 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:26.119 Well, obviously, one development may or may not do that to 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:27.800 the size that we're talking 01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:31.099 about, but when you look at all the developments that have 01:03:31.099 --> 01:03:33.360 gone in, in a relatively short length 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:37.760 of road, I think that the least the city could do is to 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.920 perform a traffic survey, spend the 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:46.599 $896,000 that these guys are putting up, plus who knows how 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.320 much more Teasley and Ryan Meadows 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.840 has put up, and make it a full four-lane highway. 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:57.150 I don't know if that is a condition that we can add to 01:03:57.150 --> 01:03:59.039 these people, or if it's something 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:04.630 that maybe needs to be tabled so that the city can do its 01:04:04.630 --> 01:04:07.360 magic in making sure that 01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:11.199 there is no additional impact done on Ryan Road to further 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:13.079 deteriorate the road, and 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.550 just make it more of a hassle, because what's going to 01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:17.280 happen is, as every citizen in this 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:21.179 room can attest to, the one thing we all agree to is our 01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:23.960 city's streets are not very good. 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.869 Why compound the problem to come in after the fact, after 01:04:27.869 --> 01:04:29.920 all these subdivisions have 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.929 gone in, including the other two phases that they're going 01:04:32.929 --> 01:04:34.400 to put in, and then we're going 01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:38.000 to tear up Ryan Road and make it a bigger hassle to get up 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:39.599 and down the street? 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.880 It just makes no sense to me. 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:43.880 Thank you. 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:44.880 Thank you. 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:45.880 Commissioner Beck. 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:46.880 Thank you, Chair. 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.280 And actually, Commissioner Sullivan kind of hit a lot of 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:50.639 what I wanted to address, too, 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.039 but I did want to go on record and see if we could give 01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.360 some satisfaction to the people 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.739 that have to live out there, whether it's anybody in City 01:04:59.739 --> 01:05:01.679 Night, Haley, Ron, that can 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:06.130 give us an idea when we could motivate whoever needs to be 01:05:06.130 --> 01:05:08.480 to do a TIA, a traffic impact 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:09.480 analysis. 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:10.480 I agree. 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.570 It's frustrating to know that this road is going to be 01:05:13.570 --> 01:05:15.679 widened eventually, but not knowing 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:17.679 when is frustrating. 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:22.059 We can't get a handle on that as well as we like, but a TIA 01:05:22.059 --> 01:05:24.679 , it seems like, considering 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.130 all the development that's going on there, we should be 01:05:27.130 --> 01:05:28.440 able to do that and be able to 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.719 give the citizens an answer when that will happen. 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:37.440 Ron, would you be the right person to ask on that? 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:42.179 Who would be the individual in the city that we could pick 01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:45.000 on to try and get that started? 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.400 Commissioner, I'll try to attempt to answer that question. 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:52.159 Of course, right around has always been on our radar. 01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:56.110 It's obviously part of our future mobility plan and 01:05:56.110 --> 01:05:59.039 hopefully our CIP program as well. 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:03.849 I think the people that are in charge or are responsible 01:06:03.849 --> 01:06:06.559 for that are listening, or if 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:11.010 they're not, we will definitely make sure that they hear 01:06:11.010 --> 01:06:13.159 you and watch this video to 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:17.280 make sure that they hear what the concerns are along Ryan 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:18.159 Road is. 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:21.590 I'm wondering, would it be possible to, maybe Richard or 01:06:21.590 --> 01:06:23.519 somebody can answer this, could 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.150 by our next P&Z meeting, could we have somebody maybe come 01:06:27.150 --> 01:06:29.079 to the work session and give us 01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:32.260 a little bit more detailed information that we can share 01:06:32.260 --> 01:06:33.639 with the community? 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:34.639 Is that possible? 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:35.639 That's a higher-end project matrix. 01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:36.639 I ask about that. 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:37.639 Yes. 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.480 In fact, at the next meeting, we'll be discussing the new 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:44.639 criteria manual and the capital improvements 01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:49.360 director, city engineer, will be here at that meeting. 01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:52.269 I will let him know to be prepared to answer those 01:06:52.269 --> 01:06:53.239 questions. 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:54.239 Great. 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:55.239 Thank you. 01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:56.239 Thanks, Ron. 01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:57.239 Will that be Todd Estes? 01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:58.239 It'll be Todd Estes. 01:06:58.239 --> 01:06:59.239 The other contact person might be Jim Jenks? 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:00.239 Correct. 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.809 Those would be a couple of city staffers that would be in a 01:07:03.809 --> 01:07:05.679 position to address some of 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.679 the questions here before us. 01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:09.679 Commissioner Smith. 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:10.679 Thank you, Chair. 01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.969 The TIA would be a great thing to do, but let's look at the 01:07:13.969 --> 01:07:15.679 material facts, what we're 01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:16.679 talking about tonight. 01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:18.949 We're talking about a development that's ready to come in 01:07:18.949 --> 01:07:19.320 now. 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.030 Even if the TIA comes back, as Richard's already mentioned, 01:07:22.030 --> 01:07:23.880 there's further down Orion Road 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:28.369 if there wanted to be future expansion, we've got land that 01:07:28.369 --> 01:07:30.559 still needs to be claimed. 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:32.670 We have to wait for either emino domain or have to wait for 01:07:32.670 --> 01:07:33.880 replotting on those lands, 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:38.079 and you tell me when that's going to happen. 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.420 The expansion of Orion Road is unknown, and if we had to 01:07:40.420 --> 01:07:41.800 put at least a timeline on it, 01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:44.750 it's probably not within the next five years if I had to 01:07:44.750 --> 01:07:46.599 make a wild guess off the cuff. 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:49.280 So sit here and say, "Let's get a TIA done." 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:52.099 The TIAs is going to come back and tell us exactly what we 01:07:52.099 --> 01:07:53.039 already know. 01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:54.039 It's bogged. 01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:55.039 It's going to be bogged. 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:57.030 We're going to come back and say, "All right, we need to 01:07:57.030 --> 01:07:58.000 expand Orion Road." 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.869 Okay, we're not going to be able to expand Orion Road 01:08:00.869 --> 01:08:02.960 tomorrow or next week or next year. 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.030 So I just say put it up for consideration that, yes, while 01:08:06.030 --> 01:08:07.840 the TIA and talk about expanding 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:10.480 Orion Road is great, it's not immediate. 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.380 It's not something that can be done quickly, and we have 01:08:12.380 --> 01:08:13.519 something we have to vote on now 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:14.519 and talk about. 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.020 So not really anything more to add to it than just help 01:08:17.020 --> 01:08:18.680 everyone understand and get some 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:22.199 clarity to the actual gravitas of the situation here. 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:26.539 If I can just add to that, just a reminder that this is a 01:08:26.539 --> 01:08:29.239 preliminary plan, so this item 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:33.939 will come up for final, and I think that might give staff 01:08:33.939 --> 01:08:36.680 some more time to address those 01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:37.680 concerns. 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:38.680 Okay. 01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:39.680 Commissioner Smith. 01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:44.680 Motion to accept with the city staff's conditions. 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:50.439 Are there some conditions on that? 01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:52.439 Recommendation for approval? 01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:53.439 No. 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:54.439 That's it. 01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:55.439 I think there were. 01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.880 That's a with city staff condition on my motion. 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:00.359 The two that are presented in the back? 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.000 The two that are presented in the back, yes. 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:03.000 So with the city staff's recommendations. 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:05.100 Just for clarification for the guys in the back when they 01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:05.840 do the records. 01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:06.840 Yes, you're welcome. 01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.189 So we have a motion to approve with the two conditions as 01:09:10.189 --> 01:09:12.119 recommended in our backup. 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:13.119 Okay. 01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:14.119 Commissioner Sanchez. 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:15.399 I second that. 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.239 We have a first and a second for approval. 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:21.239 Any discussion? 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:25.600 I'll make a comment before we vote. 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:29.630 I would echo Commissioner Sullivan's concerns about Ryan 01:09:29.630 --> 01:09:32.399 Road and the improvements and a 01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:36.859 lot of your points were discussed in great detail a number 01:09:36.859 --> 01:09:39.319 or a couple years ago, I guess, 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.020 when the traffic impact fees came before us and were 01:09:42.020 --> 01:09:43.279 adopted by the city. 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.850 There's a concern I expressed at the time is that we're 01:09:45.850 --> 01:09:47.479 going to collect the fees, people 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:50.069 are going to move in, finally get enough money, and we're 01:09:50.069 --> 01:09:51.479 going to tear up the roads. 01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.920 And that's unfortunately the way that that moved forward. 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.409 And it's going to be, I think, the process for our city 01:09:58.409 --> 01:10:00.319 going forward to play, unfortunately, 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.319 some catch up. 01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:05.359 But these gentlemen are contributing a significant amount 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.439 of money to that effort above and beyond 01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:10.399 two times what's currently required. 01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:13.859 And so I think they're certainly paying their fair share 01:10:13.859 --> 01:10:16.319 for their impact and their development. 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.529 And so with that, I'm going to support the motion and have 01:10:19.529 --> 01:10:21.260 a comment from Commissioner 01:10:21.260 --> 01:10:23.840 Sanchez. 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.250 I'm relatively new on this commission and it seems like 01:10:26.250 --> 01:10:27.560 that's one of the big issues 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:31.050 we've had every time we talk about developments is that the 01:10:31.050 --> 01:10:32.880 roads usually aren't going to 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.800 be done when the development is done. 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:40.090 So I don't really see a solution until the funds, those 01:10:40.090 --> 01:10:42.640 impact funds are collected. 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:46.060 So it just seems like you're not the only people that are 01:10:46.060 --> 01:10:47.680 facing this every week or 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:49.600 every couple of weeks that we meet. 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:53.369 We find the same issue over and over again throughout the 01:10:53.369 --> 01:10:54.000 city. 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.609 And there's no solution at this time other than when those 01:10:57.609 --> 01:10:59.479 funds are collected and then 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.880 the city starts using those funds to be able to expand 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:05.199 these roads. 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:10.310 And just like Mr. Smith said, basically, you know, we don't 01:11:10.310 --> 01:11:12.960 have the answer, but hopefully 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:19.819 as the as money to get collected, then those roads are 01:11:19.819 --> 01:11:20.960 developed. 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:21.960 Commissioner Beck. 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:22.960 Thank you, Chair. 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:25.420 I just want to thank everybody for coming out tonight for 01:11:25.420 --> 01:11:26.800 the citizens and making their 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:27.800 presentation. 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:32.189 You know, this commission needs a lot of input from the 01:11:32.189 --> 01:11:33.479 people out there that we serve. 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:34.479 So I appreciate you coming down. 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:36.720 I appreciate Mr. Fletcher and Mr. Dickerson for their 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:38.279 presentation, for clearing up a lot 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:39.279 of things. 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:42.239 As Commissioner Smith suggested, and I know this is just a 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:44.079 preliminary plat, but community 01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.760 meetings are always a great, great thing to do to offset a 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:49.000 lot of concern. 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:52.220 One of the one thing I did want to point out that I was 01:11:52.220 --> 01:11:54.800 delighted to hear you mention is 01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.680 the salvaging of I think 60, 65 percent of the trees. 01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:01.800 Yeah, you could have removed a lot more by city standards. 01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.010 The fact that you've done that, that pleases me 01:12:04.010 --> 01:12:04.920 tremendously. 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:05.920 So I'm glad to hear that. 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:08.130 And I think everybody that lives in that area ought to 01:12:08.130 --> 01:12:09.600 recognize the fact that it could 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:10.680 have been a lot worse. 01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:13.779 So these gentlemen are being commended for salvaging what 01:12:13.779 --> 01:12:15.119 they have done there. 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.119 So thank you for that. 01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:21.310 Mr. Sullivan, I can understand the philosophy of, gosh, 01:12:21.310 --> 01:12:22.920 that's not our role. 01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:26.340 And gee, you know, the city works slow and this is what we 01:12:26.340 --> 01:12:27.960 talked about forever. 01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:32.949 But I don't understand the idea that current citizens 01:12:32.949 --> 01:12:36.039 living in current houses have to 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:40.039 pay the price for the city not doing their job. 01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.550 And so I don't see why it is we continue as a board to 01:12:43.550 --> 01:12:46.000 approve developments when we know 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.510 darn good and well other people are going to be negatively 01:12:49.510 --> 01:12:50.399 impacted. 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:54.159 And yet we use the idea of growth as the excuse. 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:55.359 You know what? 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:56.359 People are already here. 01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:58.159 Let's take care of our own first. 01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:01.920 If speculators want to come in and buy land and build 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.680 houses someday, great for them. 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.069 But meanwhile, I think we need to protect our citizens 01:13:08.069 --> 01:13:08.720 first. 01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:11.239 Thank you. 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:12.239 Commissioner Schmidt. 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:13.239 Thank you, Chair. 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:17.489 Anything on my motion or anything you would want to add to 01:13:17.489 --> 01:13:19.560 a motion that would make it 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:21.399 better for the citizens who are currently there? 01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:24.539 That's purely just an informational question that we can go 01:13:24.539 --> 01:13:25.199 to vote. 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:26.239 It can be struck down. 01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.939 If you bring up a motion or bring up a motion that sounds 01:13:28.939 --> 01:13:30.560 that would be more amenable to 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:31.560 the situation. 01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:32.560 Commissioner Sullivan. 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.000 I've been told that we can't do that. 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.659 So a condition would be we wait until the traffic impact 01:13:38.659 --> 01:13:40.119 study is made for the entire 01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:43.279 Ryan Road before any more construction is done. 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:48.399 That would be my motion. 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:49.399 Commissioner Schmidt. 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:50.840 Not to keep playing tennis ball here. 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:55.130 Legal, can you give just a public statement for Plenary Pl 01:13:55.130 --> 01:13:55.760 att? 01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.199 It's approved tonight, moves forward. 01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.569 How much timeline, how much runway do we think we have to 01:14:00.569 --> 01:14:01.840 be able to get a TIA in before 01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:03.800 a final approval for this is done? 01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:08.680 When would the final, do we have it scheduled already? 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:10.399 Final Platt? 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:12.760 I'd have Haley address the- 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.800 I think planning would have a better idea of the timeline. 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:16.800 The timeline. 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:17.800 Yeah. 01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.159 There's two years between a preliminary plot and a final 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:21.560 plot before the preliminary would 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:25.039 expire and a new one would be required. 01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.189 So that would be the potential timeframe in which that 01:14:28.189 --> 01:14:29.239 could be done. 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.380 But I will say that the final plot for this is in review 01:14:32.380 --> 01:14:33.960 with staff currently. 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:36.720 So fairly soon after the gas well plugging is complete, I 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:38.359 expect that that would be ready 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:40.319 to come before the board. 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:46.449 Do you know, I guess the question was talking months, weeks 01:14:46.449 --> 01:14:46.880 ? 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:49.520 It really depends on the gas well and the review of their 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:50.880 civil plans, but it would 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.520 most likely be within the next couple of months. 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:54.520 Okay. 01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:55.520 And then- 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:56.520 But up to two years is possible. 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:59.819 I'm making a statement that would still come, the final 01:14:59.819 --> 01:15:03.159 would come before this board again. 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:06.689 Just to clarify, the TIA would only relate to their project 01:15:06.689 --> 01:15:06.960 . 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:07.960 Correct. 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:08.960 It would be for the entire- 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:09.960 Yeah. 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:14.039 And there's nothing we can add on to be able to request TIA 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:15.760 before we approve? 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.720 I think it would be difficult to have it for the entire 01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:20.760 length considering that they are 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:24.659 contributing to the impact fee that they are, what was 01:15:24.659 --> 01:15:27.479 negotiated part of that agreement. 01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:30.380 Typically when you look at a road, it's designed to 01:15:30.380 --> 01:15:32.560 obviously a certain capacity or it can 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.680 handle a certain amount of vehicles per lane. 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:39.229 It's kind of like the chicken or the egg type approach of 01:15:39.229 --> 01:15:40.680 what comes first. 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:43.260 And it starts to, when it starts to, that level of service 01:15:43.260 --> 01:15:44.600 starts to degrade, that's 01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:49.119 typically when you'll see those improvements move forward. 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.090 With this one, it's a little bit more complicated because 01:15:51.090 --> 01:15:52.279 there is right of way that needs to 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:56.380 be acquired as well as, if I'm not mistaken, there's some, 01:15:56.380 --> 01:15:58.319 quite a bit of utility lines 01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:00.579 that would probably need to be relocated as well. 01:16:00.579 --> 01:16:04.640 So it's quite a bit of an undertaking. 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:09.989 And I'll just add or reaffirm that that traffic impact 01:16:09.989 --> 01:16:13.479 study would be narrowly for that development 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:14.479 only. 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:15.479 Correct. 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:16.479 That's all you would get out of it. 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.289 It's going to be tough for us to be able to ask for a TIA 01:16:19.289 --> 01:16:20.880 for an entire road whenever 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:21.880 it's a world. 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:23.500 We're only talking about the preliminary plotting for one 01:16:23.500 --> 01:16:23.880 subject. 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:24.880 Correct. 01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:25.880 Thank you. 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.880 I just want to exasperate all things publicly. 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.880 That's all. 01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:33.880 We've got a motion before us and a second for approval with 01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:36.239 the two conditions as mentioned 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:37.960 in backup. 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:50.390 And seeing more, any more discussion, I'm going to call for 01:16:50.390 --> 01:16:54.880 a vote on the board. 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.439 Motion is going to carry four to one. 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:02.430 That will move us to our public hearing section this 01:17:02.430 --> 01:17:03.399 evening. 01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:12.539 Give the room a minute to clear if people are going to head 01:17:12.539 --> 01:17:13.720 out. 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:25.680 Good luck on your project. 01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:39.279 Members are coming out. 01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:42.640 This time I'm going to move on on our agenda item 4A. 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:53.399 I'm going to open the public hearing for Z17-0025B. 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:55.840 This is the item that's going to be continued. 01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:56.840 Commissioner Beck. 01:17:56.840 --> 01:18:02.880 I move that we move this as it puts us forward to the date 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.119 certain of February 21st. 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:07.119 Awesome. 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:08.119 Good job. 01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:09.119 Commissioner Smith. 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:10.119 I second. 01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:11.119 All right. 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.840 We have a motion to continue to date certain of February 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:16.880 the 21st on this item. 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:20.310 We're going to leave it open so it does not need to be re- 01:18:20.310 --> 01:18:21.239 noticed. 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:32.199 And I will call for a vote on the board. 01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:35.479 That motion is going to carry five to zero. 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:39.369 As announced at the beginning of our meeting, our items 4B 01:18:39.369 --> 01:18:41.840 and 4C, the woodlands on McKinney 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:46.439 Street have both been withdrawn and we do not have a date 01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:48.199 certain on those. 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.960 That will conclude our public hearings items tonight and 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.079 that will move us to our project 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:58.640 matrix and concluding items. 01:18:58.640 --> 01:18:59.640 Commissioner Smith. 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:00.640 Thank you, Chair. 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.840 Richard, is there any kind of conversation we can have, at 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:05.439 least during work session, 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:08.750 that would be around what power we have as a commission or 01:19:08.750 --> 01:19:10.479 recommendation we can make 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:13.960 to City Council for developers to have more neighborhood 01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:15.960 meetings and what scenarios we 01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:16.960 can do that? 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.729 I think we have maybe a report from you guys on what we can 01:19:19.729 --> 01:19:21.039 do to be able to try to put 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:22.039 that. 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:24.470 Make that a precedent because I think that's a question we 01:19:24.470 --> 01:19:25.880 've been having quite a bit 01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:29.060 during meetings, having a call to African up here, let's 01:19:29.060 --> 01:19:30.560 talk to them real quick. 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:31.560 Have you had a neighborhood meeting? 01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:32.560 Yes, you have. 01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:33.560 No, you haven't. 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:35.189 And it seems like every single time it's been, yes, there's 01:19:35.189 --> 01:19:37.600 been a neighborhood meeting, 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:40.800 it's just such a much smoother process. 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:41.800 Absolutely. 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:46.039 In fact, we have that as one of the items for the, as part 01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:48.079 of the code update to sort 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:51.239 of formalize that more in the code. 01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:54.399 Just to kind of give a for example, if you remember the 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.239 palladium, I was telling the 01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.770 Chair earlier, we had quite a number of folks here speaking 01:19:59.770 --> 01:20:00.840 against that. 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.840 Would you say which project that was again? 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:04.840 Could take me a minute. 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:09.079 This was the site on, it had a component of affordable 01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.760 housing that was changing to NRMU 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:12.760 12. 01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:17.760 This was loop and Poinsettia. 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:19.840 Sherman Drive, Poinsettia, and Harvard. 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.989 When that item came to council, there were the applicant 01:20:22.989 --> 01:20:25.000 actually the very next day started 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:28.199 revising their plan, went out and met with the neighbors. 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:31.560 And when we had the public hearing in front of city council 01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.199 , the two ladies that were 01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:36.770 very outspoken, they were the only ones that showed up, sat 01:20:36.770 --> 01:20:38.560 through five hours of public 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:41.289 hearing to get up to speak in support of the development is 01:20:41.289 --> 01:20:42.720 the first thing I first time 01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:45.520 I've ever seen that in my 22 years doing it. 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:46.840 But it goes to your point. 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:48.760 It goes, it goes a long way. 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:52.600 So we anytime an applicant comes forward now, we we've been 01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:54.279 advising them it's really in 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:56.279 their best interest to meet to meet with the neighbors. 01:20:56.279 --> 01:20:58.800 I don't think Commissioner Strange could probably sympath 01:20:58.800 --> 01:20:59.640 ize with me here. 01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:01.649 I'd hate to be going to the developers and having to throw 01:21:01.649 --> 01:21:03.319 up another piece of red tape. 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.350 But I don't like adding more bureaucracy to bureaucracy 01:21:06.350 --> 01:21:07.039 already. 01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:10.180 But there are sometimes some new rules and regulations can 01:21:10.180 --> 01:21:11.720 can speed up a process, you 01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:13.600 had a rule to be able to speed up a process. 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:16.600 So yeah, we can have an update on it or if there's no need 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:18.479 for it, then I think it's 01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:21.979 one of those, you know, if you know going into it, it's one 01:21:21.979 --> 01:21:23.479 thing you can sort of plan 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:24.479 that in your schedule. 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:26.229 But if you know, an applicant comes in and we're through 01:21:26.229 --> 01:21:27.199 the and then all of a sudden 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:28.199 we spring it on them. 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:30.960 Yeah, it's it's not I mean, it's not fair. 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:34.000 But we just need to be consistent in how we sure. 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:35.000 Thank you. 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:39.359 Anything else? 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:41.680 When is the item that I asked for? 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.869 I want to say it's been a few weeks ago, maybe before 01:21:44.869 --> 01:21:45.840 Christmas. 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:48.069 That kind of the same thing we spent a lot of time on 01:21:48.069 --> 01:21:50.239 tonight talking about whose responsibility 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.039 it is on all the painting. 01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:54.720 Is that going to be next week's or that will be that will 01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:58.399 be that will be part of the discussion 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:00.989 at the next work session with respect to the the 01:22:00.989 --> 01:22:02.439 transportation manual. 01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:03.439 Great. 01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:04.439 Looking forward to that. 01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:05.439 I'm getting that on. 01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:06.439 OK, anything else? 01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:11.210 OK, with that, I'm going to close us tonight at seven 01:22:11.210 --> 01:22:12.800 thirty seven. 01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:13.680 Thank you, everyone, for coming out.