WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.679 meeting for December 13th. This will be our work session. 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:06.240 This meeting has been 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:09.519 duly posted and we do have a full quorum here and I will 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:11.480 call us to order at 5 0 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.539 6 and our first order of business will be to receive 00:00:15.539 --> 00:00:17.160 clarification of agenda 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:31.629 items and does anybody have anything on the minutes? We'll 00:00:31.629 --> 00:00:33.640 move on to the consent 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:43.079 agenda. Any questions on the first item A? Flat, Den Energy 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:47.920 Center. No questions? 00:00:47.920 --> 00:01:07.510 On the flat. Item B. Any questions on item B? Nothing on 00:01:07.510 --> 00:01:11.640 item B. How about item C? 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:22.480 Nothing? Okay. I've got a question. Okay. Julie, item C. D 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:31.840 irt Whisperer. It's the 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:37.799 Dirt Whisperer LLC Audra Heights edition preliminary class. 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:42.040 Yes sir. On phase one I 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:47.959 was curious, you know, is there kind of a tree requirement 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.079 as I drove down that 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:55.519 down this down the road on Bayfield Road. It doesn't seem 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.120 to be a lot of trees 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.310 there or it just seems like concrete all the way through 00:02:01.310 --> 00:02:02.680 but when the rest of the 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:06.819 neighborhood, you know, you have real pretty lots, large 00:02:06.819 --> 00:02:08.599 lots, but you hit that 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:12.219 that section right there where they built all those are 00:02:12.219 --> 00:02:13.560 they duplexes or 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:18.639 townhouses? The phase one I believe is duplexes. So chapter 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:19.520 13 does have 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.039 requirements for street trees for single-family residential 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:24.199 . I don't know 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.949 specifically on that project how those street trees were 00:02:27.949 --> 00:02:29.159 installed or where 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.419 they were installed so I'm not real sure on that phase one. 00:02:32.419 --> 00:02:33.599 Okay I was just 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:36.360 curious do they go back because they doesn't seem to be a 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.240 whole lot it just 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.199 seems like a lot of concrete. You have the rest of 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:40.479 neighborhood that's really 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:44.349 nice and you drive back down into that Bayfield Street and 00:02:44.349 --> 00:02:44.960 it just hits you 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:48.430 like this doesn't belong here. I know that phase two they 00:02:48.430 --> 00:02:49.639 will be required to 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:54.069 comply with all sub chapter 13 requirements in terms of I 00:02:54.069 --> 00:02:54.759 believe 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:58.680 there's a street tree required for every certain number of 00:02:58.680 --> 00:02:59.840 feet or for every lot 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.680 in a single-family residential area and and then they'd 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.120 also have to comply with 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:09.750 all tree preservation requirements too. Okay and also if 00:03:09.750 --> 00:03:12.120 you look at phase one 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:21.289 it's got like a lot 18 a and b but on phase two you have 00:03:21.289 --> 00:03:23.199 just numbers. Is that 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.050 I guess I was are they each building is going to just have 00:03:28.050 --> 00:03:29.360 one lot is that the 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.349 way normally? Yes sir phase two is actually a townhome 00:03:32.349 --> 00:03:33.319 product that's what 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:37.719 they're intending and so on a townhome each each individual 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:38.719 townhome is on its 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.289 own lot and then they would and then you know the the 00:03:42.289 --> 00:03:43.719 building they can have eight 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.900 attached so each individual townhome will be on its own lot 00:03:47.900 --> 00:03:49.000 and that's also 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.199 why they're actually doing an alley for this phase as well 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:53.039 so there won't be any 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.719 any front-end parking it will be alleys. 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.469 Is that the stage question? Yeah I would just I guess how 00:04:02.469 --> 00:04:04.560 it's my concern was okay so 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.719 phase one and I guess I'm just trying to compare both 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:09.159 phases you know and see 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.180 what how much difference is gonna be and one of the things 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:13.639 I want to make sure is 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:18.759 as far as trees and cover that kind of vegetation I would 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:20.800 like to see a lot 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.120 make make sure that that is implemented because that other 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:25.720 site look I would I 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.319 was it just it's just an eyesore. Sure and I think phase 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:29.319 two will actually look 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.620 different from phase one because of that alley because it 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:32.399 won't have those 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.649 driveways in the front so I think it'll probably look a 00:04:34.649 --> 00:04:35.639 little different from 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.220 this cheap street than phase one does. Okay and one more 00:04:39.220 --> 00:04:40.079 thing what about the 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:44.209 the the I've noticed in that phase one there's a lot of 00:04:44.209 --> 00:04:45.959 parking on the on the 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:50.139 along the road on the inside of the street so is there I 00:04:50.139 --> 00:04:51.199 know that there's a 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:56.339 requirement how do you determine I guess I'm just trying to 00:04:56.339 --> 00:04:57.519 it seems like that 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.889 maybe there's not enough parking because from what I 00:04:59.889 --> 00:05:01.079 understand and I was talking 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.879 to a couple of residents a lot of that is for student house 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:05.560 it's considered 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.750 there's a lot of students living there and they're not 00:05:09.750 --> 00:05:11.040 being sold it's just 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.639 they're just being rented to students so you have a lot of 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:16.040 parking on the street 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:20.839 is there any way of compared I'm just trying to figure out 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:22.279 it doesn't look 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.790 really well and it's hard for people when you're driving 00:05:25.790 --> 00:05:27.000 you have to kind of 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.689 pull over to the side because all this street is just 00:05:29.689 --> 00:05:31.040 covered with cars. I'm 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.360 looking at Richard because I know this isn't we're actually 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:35.079 working on that 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:39.019 looking at addressing that now through a multitude of 00:05:39.019 --> 00:05:40.439 issues associated with that 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:46.040 part part of that although this is an NR6 you have NR6 has 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:46.980 reduced setback of 10 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:49.819 feet which really pushes out the house so it's with a one 00:05:49.819 --> 00:05:50.839 car garage so it's 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.339 kind of hard to get really more than two maybe three spots 00:05:54.339 --> 00:05:55.240 to begin with 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.740 coupled with narrow right away so once you start cramming 00:05:58.740 --> 00:05:59.860 all that in and you 00:05:59.860 --> 00:06:04.550 have a family with or even students with three four or five 00:06:04.550 --> 00:06:06.079 cars it fills up 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:10.350 quick but we are looking at that item and how to address 00:06:10.350 --> 00:06:11.360 that right right now 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.060 and you'll see that I think it was in the next couple 00:06:13.060 --> 00:06:13.759 months as part of the 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:26.279 DDC update. Anybody else on item C? Item D is going to move 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:28.040 down to items for 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:32.259 individual consideration so we'll go on to four which is 00:06:32.259 --> 00:06:33.839 going to be the planning 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.300 and zoning Commission calendar we had a couple changes I 00:06:36.300 --> 00:06:37.160 think we talked about 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:43.300 at last meeting and we're going to come back. And what 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:46.680 changed for February and 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.800 March instead of second and fourth it's first and third. 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.560 February and March. 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:07.300 Anybody else have a question or a conflict on the calendar? 00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:12.079 Okay item B. 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.319 B. Haley. 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:27.430 All right this item is a site plan for two multi-tenant 00:07:27.430 --> 00:07:28.199 buildings in Razor 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.569 Ranch. So the request is for approval of a site plan like I 00:07:32.569 --> 00:07:33.079 said for two 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:37.220 multi-tenant buildings to be located on lot 6R and 7R of 00:07:37.220 --> 00:07:38.199 block A of the town 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:42.589 center. You see on the map here the property is outlined in 00:07:42.589 --> 00:07:43.319 yellow it's a 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.839 little over three acres located at the southwest corner of 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:47.600 University and 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.319 Heritage Trail so that would be in front of the Wynko Foods 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:51.720 if you're familiar 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:57.480 with the area. This particular parcel is a zoned South RR2 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:58.839 district so that's 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.879 that primarily retail commercial restaurant type uses that 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:03.279 we've seen 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.329 over the past few months. If you remember site plans for 00:08:07.329 --> 00:08:08.600 Razor Ranch are all 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.769 required to comply with the architectural and landscape 00:08:11.769 --> 00:08:12.240 standards 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.209 outlined in the overlay district and with their site plan 00:08:15.209 --> 00:08:16.319 they're required to 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.610 submit not not just the site plan itself but also a 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:19.860 landscape plan and building 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:24.720 elevations for consideration. The overlay also outlines 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.639 criteria for approval so 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.620 the P&Z shall approve a site plan if it substantially compl 00:08:29.620 --> 00:08:30.720 ies with the concept 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.590 and schematic plan, if it provides a compatible arrangement 00:08:33.590 --> 00:08:34.440 of buildings and 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.460 uses and doesn't adversely affect any neighboring 00:08:37.460 --> 00:08:39.039 properties, if it provides 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.509 for safe and adequate circulation of traffic and if it 00:08:41.509 --> 00:08:42.399 complies with all 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:47.450 sections of the overlay. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair 00:08:47.450 --> 00:08:49.120 . How are we supposed to 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.970 know if it provides a compatible arrangement of buildings 00:08:51.970 --> 00:08:53.159 and land use that would not 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.529 adversely affect the joint neighborhoods if we don't know 00:08:55.529 --> 00:08:56.500 specifically what's 00:08:56.500 --> 00:08:58.379 going to be going in there all we know is they're gonna 00:08:58.379 --> 00:09:00.000 make this? The intent I 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.379 believe in the overlays referring to areas outside of Razor 00:09:02.379 --> 00:09:02.919 Ranch so would 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:06.740 this particular piece of Razor affect anything outside of 00:09:06.740 --> 00:09:08.159 the overlay? In this 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.120 case it's not really touching anything outside the overlay. 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:12.120 So regardless of 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:14.450 what's going to go in these buildings? I think the 00:09:14.450 --> 00:09:16.440 assumption is everything commercial within 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:22.759 Razor would kind of be compatible by nature. So looking at 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:23.720 their site plan 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.580 into here as I mentioned it's two separate lots so on lot 6 00:09:27.580 --> 00:09:28.480 R we have about 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:32.919 8800 square feet of building and then lot 7R has about 8700 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.399 square feet and 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.399 these will just be a mixture of commercial uses I would 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:37.059 imagine retail 00:09:37.059 --> 00:09:40.730 restaurant things of that nature. It requires a minimum of 00:09:40.730 --> 00:09:42.200 108 parking spaces 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.480 they're providing 132 if you remember there's no parking 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:46.679 maximum at Razor so 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.070 they can provide those extra spaces and then access to the 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:51.039 site rather than 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.669 being directly from University or Heritage Trail will be 00:09:53.669 --> 00:09:54.200 from these 00:09:54.200 --> 00:10:00.009 internal streets. Looking at their landscaping they're 00:10:00.009 --> 00:10:01.240 proposing a total 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:06.789 29% landscaping overall 37.5% tree canopy for the site. I 00:10:06.789 --> 00:10:07.919 've kind of done 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.049 two different colors here so the lighter green color is 00:10:10.049 --> 00:10:10.960 actually existing 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.970 landscaping that was installed prior to this development so 00:10:13.970 --> 00:10:14.919 all of that will be 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:18.509 maintained in place to provide screening and street trees 00:10:18.509 --> 00:10:20.080 along University and 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.570 Heritage Trail and then what is in the darker green is the 00:10:22.570 --> 00:10:23.240 new internal 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.460 landscaping for the site in the parking lot. And then in 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:27.799 blue here there is a 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.500 plaza area being provided just over 2,000 square feet will 00:10:31.500 --> 00:10:32.519 have trees and 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:37.600 some shaded seating by means of tables and benches. Looking 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:38.440 at the buildings 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:42.799 proposed lot 6R these are the elevations so mixture of 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:43.879 materials the typical 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.720 stone and ephas materials with the neutral color palette. 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:49.360 Lot 7R very 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:54.159 similar elevation and materials being proposed there. Staff 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:55.320 is recommending 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.009 approval of the site plan we found it to be compliant with 00:10:58.009 --> 00:10:58.559 all of the 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.320 regulations within the overlay and found that it met those 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:02.399 criteria for approval 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.250 that we discussed. So I can stand for any questions. 00:11:05.250 --> 00:11:06.039 Commissioner Smith. On the 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:10.230 entrances you had on, do you want to go back to that slide 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:12.120 real quick? 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:19.720 On the site plan, yeah. So they're entering either off of 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:21.240 those two side 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.759 roads off of University, am I correct? Yes sir. Either of 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:26.559 those, do we know either of those, are those 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.620 going to be, are those going to have access to the west 00:11:28.620 --> 00:11:30.840 bound turn? Does that make sense? If you're on the 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.419 north side of Razor Ranch or sometimes there's areas where 00:11:33.419 --> 00:11:34.399 you get inlet you can 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.490 only go westbound you can't cross away. Let me see if that 00:11:37.490 --> 00:11:39.919 shows up. I mean you can kind of see on the 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.509 aerial here there will be east-west connectivity here on 00:11:42.509 --> 00:11:43.279 the south side of the 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:44.980 lots. People trying to get back on University is my big 00:11:44.980 --> 00:11:46.799 question. Yeah so there would there would be there's a 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:47.720 signal here currently. 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.879 Let's go all the way down there. Yeah so that road will 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:51.919 connect there and then there is an intent for a 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.519 signal at Heritage Trail. Thank you. 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:12.289 Anybody else? Thank you Haley. Thank you. And item 4C is an 00:12:12.289 --> 00:12:13.000 item that I have a 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.159 conflict of interest in. I have a partnership interest in 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:16.919 that so I'm going 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.500 to need to recuse myself both here at work session and in 00:12:20.500 --> 00:12:21.480 the public meeting. 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.960 So I'm going to turn it over to the vice chair. Thank you 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.200 chair. Let him leave. 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.360 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you. Thank you vice chair. What I 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.639 think he said 4C I don't see a 4C on my 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.809 agenda. Did we move something? Yeah there's an agenda 00:12:46.809 --> 00:12:48.200 change from the consent 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:54.000 agenda item 3D. Okay we pulled 3D. Okay. Yeah. Did not 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:55.120 realize that. Thank you very 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.639 much. 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.019 Julie the floor is yours. All right so this is one you 00:13:03.019 --> 00:13:04.919 might be familiar with. The 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:08.570 preliminary plat for Evers Way was approved in September of 00:13:08.570 --> 00:13:09.679 this year. This 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.629 is now coming back with the final plat. There are some 00:13:13.629 --> 00:13:15.679 conditions that stack 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.399 requests that we put on the approval and that's why it's 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:19.279 being pulled for 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.250 individual consideration. So I know those are in your 00:13:21.250 --> 00:13:22.200 backup but I'll just talk 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:25.960 talk through them briefly. First that the civil engineering 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:27.000 construction plan for 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.230 West Hercules Lane and all public infrastructure necessary 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:30.919 to serve the 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:34.259 proposed development must be approved before this plat is 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:36.259 filed. If any utility 00:13:36.259 --> 00:13:38.929 easement locations need to be modified as a result of these 00:13:38.929 --> 00:13:39.919 construction plans 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:44.379 that the DRC that it could be approved at the staff level 00:13:44.379 --> 00:13:46.159 prior to filing. So 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.990 that that's the first condition. The second is that they 00:13:48.990 --> 00:13:50.120 have to obtain a 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.049 text dot permit to allow access in and improvements to 00:13:54.049 --> 00:13:55.600 North Locust Street 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.750 prior to plat filing and that a traffic the traffic impact 00:13:59.750 --> 00:14:00.960 analysis that's been 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.250 submitted must be approved before the plat is filed. So 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:04.279 those would be the three 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.610 conditions that staff is requesting on this approval and I 00:14:07.610 --> 00:14:08.639 'll stand for any 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:15.860 questions. So any questions? Commissioner Smith. Thank you 00:14:15.860 --> 00:14:16.879 Vice Chair. What are the 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.610 reasonings behind the conditions you just briefly give 00:14:19.610 --> 00:14:20.519 especially on like 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.100 that sounds like the permit for the for a text dot sounds 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.279 like a pretty pretty 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.490 expensive condition to put on the developer. It would be 00:14:27.490 --> 00:14:27.919 required 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.799 regardless. They are whenever someone ties into a text dot 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:32.720 road they have to 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:37.669 obtain that that permit so instead of holding up the final 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:38.519 plat the approval 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:41.679 of that final plat we've gone ahead that and requested that 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:43.120 that be a condition 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.070 of filing so that they can move forward with the approval 00:14:46.070 --> 00:14:47.080 and then get those 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.720 those expensive permits and those expensive engineering 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:51.980 plans completed 00:14:51.980 --> 00:14:54.809 between that gap between the approval and the filing of the 00:14:54.809 --> 00:14:56.240 plat. Okay. Just 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.700 wondering I just don't why why I ended up on the consent 00:14:58.700 --> 00:14:59.679 agenda instead of rather 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.200 ending up on the items for an individual consideration 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:04.039 before then but just if 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.480 that's normal why wasn't on there the first place. Well it 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:09.039 should have been on 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.690 the individual consideration from the beginning so because 00:15:11.690 --> 00:15:12.159 there are 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.330 conditions associated with it it would have to be 00:15:15.330 --> 00:15:16.919 considered independently. 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.399 Julie I have one question just for a procedural standpoint 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:23.960 we approve the 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:28.149 plat so they can proceed but nothing is filed with the city 00:15:28.149 --> 00:15:28.879 for actual 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.350 construction so these conditions are met. Yes sir. And who 00:15:32.350 --> 00:15:33.279 verifies these 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.980 conditions are met before it gets filed what's the 00:15:35.980 --> 00:15:37.720 procedure there? Staff would 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:43.980 verify so they already have they already have two two 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:45.679 permits in one or 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.309 two projects in one being the civil engineering plans that 00:15:48.309 --> 00:15:49.360 are being reviewed 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.870 and that's in association with the West Hercules Lane as 00:15:52.870 --> 00:15:54.120 well as the utility 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.690 improvements and improvements associated with this plat. 00:15:57.690 --> 00:16:00.120 They've already they will 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.399 begin working on that text dot permit shortly and then they 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:04.919 've already 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.559 submitted for that traffic impact analysis and they're 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:08.559 working through the 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:13.580 review of that now so so those projects would have to be 00:16:13.580 --> 00:16:14.759 complete and that would 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.909 be monitored by staff both planning and engineering. And 00:16:18.909 --> 00:16:21.960 traditionally are these 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.429 done after a plat is approved or is this just a time and 00:16:25.429 --> 00:16:26.519 issue like can they talk 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:32.039 to text not before P&Z approves a plat? Certainly yes that 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:32.919 typically what 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.940 happened before is all of this stuff was was was required 00:16:35.940 --> 00:16:36.960 to be done prior to 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.539 bringing it for approval and so what we're trying to do is 00:16:39.539 --> 00:16:40.360 help expedite it 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.070 in a way and so rather than requiring all of this and 00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:44.240 having the plat even 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.700 though it meets all the all the material requirements of 00:16:46.700 --> 00:16:48.080 the code sort of sit in 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.720 limbo we're trying to get it through at least through the 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:51.720 approval phase to 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.299 assist with trying to secure any financing and then address 00:16:54.299 --> 00:16:54.879 some of these 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:59.320 permit related issues as a condition since there's that two 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.559 -year gap. 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:07.440 Any other questions? Thank you Vice Chair. Then I guess 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:08.480 just for clarification as 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:14.079 we're voting on this we'll approve it the plat with staff's 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:15.240 conditions do we 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.960 need to restate them? I mean I know they're written on the 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:23.079 plat so. Okay very 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:28.569 good thank you. Thank you Julie and we will call the chair 00:17:28.569 --> 00:17:30.680 back in. 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:53.960 We'll move us to our public hearing section. We have one 00:17:53.960 --> 00:18:03.119 change on item A the 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:03.119 date certain on that's been moved from the 10th to the 24th 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:09.799 so we'll do look 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:09.799 for a motion on that we'll open it look for a motion to 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:14.119 continue to date certain 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:14.119 leave open B C and D have all been withdrawn so we will not 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:22.480 even open 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.980 those items tonight and that will move us to item C excuse 00:18:26.980 --> 00:18:29.160 me E and we'll call 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.519 on Julie Wyatt for that presentation. 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.900 All right so this public hearing item is for some lots in 00:18:43.900 --> 00:18:48.160 our downtown area it is 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:55.279 a replat of several lots within a block area and this is 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:56.640 for redevelopment on a 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:01.269 site and I will stand for any questions. Commissioner Beck. 00:19:01.269 --> 00:19:02.799 Thank You Chair. I'm 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:08.519 assuming that lots four five and six are is that the old 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:09.539 Denrick Chronicle 00:19:09.539 --> 00:19:15.759 building? Yes sir. Okay so I'm assuming that'll be torn 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:16.839 down and then these lots 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:21.119 will accommodate? It is my understanding yes that there's 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:21.960 gonna be some sort of 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:32.690 redevelopment on those sites. Any other questions on this 00:19:32.690 --> 00:19:35.279 item? Okay. 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:43.700 Let's see F? Julie are you gonna do F and G kind of 00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:48.319 concurrent like we did? I am. That's a lucky guess. 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:57.200 All right so we are taking two items concurrently the Z 17 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:58.880 12 and S 176 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:03.680 because they are a part of one project the Mingo Road Apart 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:06.160 ments. So first Z 1712 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:08.430 is a request to rezone the subject property from 00:20:08.430 --> 00:20:09.759 neighborhood residential 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:14.430 three to neighborhood residential 12 mixed use 12 NRMU 12 00:20:14.430 --> 00:20:16.319 and that's that Z 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:20.640 1712 the second request is a specific use permit to allow a 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:21.400 multifamily 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.720 residential use. To orient you the subject property is 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:26.960 located north of 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:33.789 Mingo Road it is just just west of Boyd on southwest of Boy 00:20:33.789 --> 00:20:35.759 d and it's near the 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:41.559 TWU campus. TWU campus is off to the west here. Under 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:42.799 current zoning the subject 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:46.839 property has an is NR3 district and they are proposing to 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:48.720 extend the existing 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:54.059 adjacent NRMU 12 so to look like this. The criteria for 00:20:54.059 --> 00:20:55.640 approval and rezoning 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:58.240 cases are in subchapter 3 of the Denton Development Code. 00:20:58.240 --> 00:20:59.440 First does it conform 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.529 to the future land use element of the Denton Plan 2030 and 00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:03.359 then second does 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.960 the proposed rezoning facilitate the provision of adequate 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:08.000 infrastructure. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.470 First we'll look at the future land use element. This is in 00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:12.440 a neighborhood 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:17.140 university compatibility area. The intent of this area is 00:21:17.140 --> 00:21:18.960 to provide compatible 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.539 housing and services to serve not only the universities but 00:21:22.539 --> 00:21:23.519 also the nearby 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:28.390 neighborhoods. The code the Denton Plan 2030 talks about 00:21:28.390 --> 00:21:29.700 how current 00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:32.279 enrollment as well as future enrollment is going to require 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:32.799 going to need 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.269 additional housing within these areas and services and so 00:21:36.269 --> 00:21:37.200 these these areas 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.359 surrounding these neighborhood neighborhood I mean these 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:41.839 areas 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.099 surrounding the campuses are intended to provide that 00:21:45.099 --> 00:21:46.480 housing and the necessary 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:50.119 services for the student population as well as the nearby 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:51.559 neighborhoods. Staff 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:54.650 has determined that the proposed NRMU 12 does meet the 00:21:54.650 --> 00:21:55.480 future land use 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:59.950 designation. NRMU 12 has moderate density housing as well 00:21:59.950 --> 00:22:01.920 as some small scale 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.559 commercial uses that really fit the bill for the 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:06.119 neighborhood university 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.539 compatibility area because it does provide additional 00:22:09.539 --> 00:22:10.640 housing as well as 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.950 some of those services but at that smaller scale where it 00:22:13.950 --> 00:22:14.359 can be 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.940 compatible with residential. When we look at the public 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:20.119 facilities first water and 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:23.430 sewer there is water and sewer nearby on Mingo there 00:22:23.430 --> 00:22:24.799 probably will be extensions 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:27.700 required of those at Platting and that will be something 00:22:27.700 --> 00:22:28.400 that will be 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:31.380 determined by our engineering department at Platting. 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:32.279 Impact fees would be 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.660 assessed at building permit as well. Mingo Road is 00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:37.559 currently developed as a 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.819 two-lane undivided road. On the mobility plan it is 00:22:40.819 --> 00:22:42.480 classified as a secondary 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.079 arterial. Typically secondary arterials are a four lane 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:48.519 divided road with five 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.710 foot sidewalks and it's currently not developed according 00:22:52.710 --> 00:22:53.839 to those secondary 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:58.200 arterial standards. At Platting some additional dedications 00:22:58.200 --> 00:22:59.880 and improvements 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:04.740 such as sidewalks would be required. We look at the 00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:06.680 compatibility of the area 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.390 with the surrounding development and zoning pattern. We see 00:23:10.390 --> 00:23:11.859 that the location 00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:15.029 of the site as well as the adjacent development pattern 00:23:15.029 --> 00:23:16.160 suggests that it's 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:19.319 unlikely to develop with single-family residential uses. So 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.759 if we just look take 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:24.430 a look at the site first of all it is it is accessed on M 00:23:24.430 --> 00:23:25.920 ingo Road so it's only 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.509 access is on a secondary arterial and those adjacent 00:23:29.509 --> 00:23:30.880 neighborhoods are 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.890 developed in such a way that there's no vehicular access to 00:23:33.890 --> 00:23:34.839 this site so it's 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:39.039 really cut off from those neighborhoods. So it wouldn't 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:40.920 this is unlikely to 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.519 develop develop with its own just single-family 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:44.319 neighborhood in this 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.980 location. When we look at what the proposed zoning is as I 00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:49.119 said before it's 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:53.309 intended to be compatible with residential areas. It's 00:23:53.309 --> 00:23:53.759 supposed to be 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.279 placed near there so it can provide those day-to-day 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:57.599 services and those 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.799 different housing types those moderate density housing 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.680 types. So it has the 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.190 the limitations on the scale and development that that 00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:06.819 would make it 00:24:06.819 --> 00:24:10.440 compatible. Any development on this site because of the way 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:11.400 it's situated would 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.519 require buffers if it wasn't a single-family use. An NRMU 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:16.720 12 is a 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:21.819 logical extension of the existing NRMU 12 to the west and 00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:23.440 also this this lot is 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.910 an infill lot and our Dent Plan 2030 talks about infill 00:24:26.910 --> 00:24:27.799 development it talks 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:32.299 about how we want these these sites to be developed and to 00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:33.359 provide additional 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.920 housing for for the city. So this this meets that criteria 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.240 within the Dent Plan 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:44.680 2030. So based upon this criteria staff recommends approval 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:45.400 of the zoning case 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:49.440 because it's consistent with the with Dent Plan 2030 as 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:50.319 well as it does 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:53.529 encourage that infill development but at a scale that's 00:24:53.529 --> 00:24:54.720 compatible with the 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:58.690 surrounding zoning and development pattern. Do y'all have 00:24:58.690 --> 00:25:00.799 any questions on the zoning? 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:05.799 Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. On 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.180 the availability given an overlay if we want to I can't 00:25:10.180 --> 00:25:11.359 remember and we've had 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.039 in a couple things in the past we're doing rezoning or 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.039 during the zoning 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.309 process I can't remember if our NRMU 12 were allowed to say 00:25:18.309 --> 00:25:19.599 we want to put an overlay on this 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.750 saying you can't use this certain usage and requirement for 00:25:23.750 --> 00:25:24.559 foliage and 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.470 everything else on there. Can we do that NRMU 12? I do 00:25:27.470 --> 00:25:28.599 believe the residential 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:32.180 mixed-use protection overlay does apply to the NRMU 12 00:25:32.180 --> 00:25:33.680 zoning district because 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:47.269 this is in let me get my code just to verify. I seem to 00:25:47.269 --> 00:25:48.079 always be wrong when I 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:53.400 try to quote it from memory so it's best just to check. 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.569 Yes that would that residential the mixed-use residential 00:26:07.569 --> 00:26:12.440 protection overlay 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:18.000 would be applicable in this instance. Yes sir. Do we have a 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.920 timeline on they're 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:19.920 saying it's a primary that said you said primary or 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.559 secondary arterial? Secondary. 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:23.559 Is there a timeline on four-lane expansion? I talked to 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:29.440 engineering and I 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.839 don't believe any any improvements for that entire segment 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:35.319 of the road is are 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.509 imminent but with the development they would be required to 00:26:39.509 --> 00:26:40.079 at least do things 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.869 like put in sidewalks. The so the question I was gonna have 00:26:42.869 --> 00:26:43.519 next was then 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.849 that next door location is I think it's Primrose it's a 00:26:46.849 --> 00:26:48.839 senior center community 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.420 you they if you you can't see it on that picture if you 00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:54.039 zoom in on that in their 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.200 entrance right next to which obviously that's a multifamily 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:57.480 development that 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.910 entrance there has the I don't know what you call them and 00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:02.000 I'm not the engineer 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.900 they have the breakaway where you can turn in right so you 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:06.000 can you can if 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.960 they're turning into the development they can divert away 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:10.920 from the through 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.210 traffic to turn into the development. Is there a way or 00:27:14.210 --> 00:27:15.799 anything we can do to be 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.400 able to make sure that gets done during this process if it 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:19.160 's something like 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.430 we're not gonna expand mingo yet we have no plans for it. 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:24.000 Is there a way for us as 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.819 a planning is under commission be able to make that a 00:27:25.819 --> 00:27:26.759 requirement you feel like 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.740 it's necessary? That is typically something that's looked 00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:31.119 at at the 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.640 platting phase and that is determined on on the 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.680 infrastructure available and the 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:44.410 trips generation generated by the use. I'm not sure. I just 00:27:44.410 --> 00:27:45.519 want and you can see 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.849 on the neighborhood ride-ins that there's a lot of folks 00:27:48.849 --> 00:27:49.319 are worried about 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.680 traffic and she will say that you know we're there's gonna 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:53.599 be the ability for 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.950 us to say you have to have that diversion off of the 33 00:27:56.950 --> 00:27:57.799 traffic so the 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.089 people going into the apartment complex get out of the way 00:28:00.089 --> 00:28:00.759 everyone is just 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.019 trying to drive down mingo makes easier for us but that 00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:06.799 works thank you. 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.049 You know the only question I have is we have a number of 00:28:11.049 --> 00:28:13.599 cards in opposition but 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:18.279 on the notification map there's nothing on our backup. Will 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:19.160 we be able to get 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.319 those posted before meeting or during meeting presentation? 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:23.579 I have I have them 00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:28.650 map on on the presentation so I'll that will hopefully 00:28:28.650 --> 00:28:30.200 illustrate where that 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:35.809 opposition is. So we'll look at the specific use permit 00:28:35.809 --> 00:28:36.720 next and what 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.039 they're proposing so they're proposing 48 two-bedroom units 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:41.440 with outdoor 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:46.069 recreation space. Two-story buildings is the maximum they 00:28:46.069 --> 00:28:47.599 're proposing. They're 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.180 also they're also site plan reflects that the that the 00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:52.319 buildings are set back 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.500 from the residential so you could see in this location here 00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:56.319 and in this location 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.920 here those buildings are set back from those residential 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.359 areas. They will also 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.349 have to meet all landscape buffer requirements and street 00:29:03.349 --> 00:29:03.640 tree 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.799 requirements along bingo and their buildings are proposed 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:07.640 to have masonry 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:13.119 and stone accents and here are the conceptual elevations of 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:13.759 their of their 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.880 proposed multi-family this this would face mingo and then 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:19.720 and then there would 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.849 be stairs and entry from the rear. The criteria for 00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:25.920 approval for a specific use 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.920 permit is essentially a compatibility analysis to to ensure 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.119 that the proposed 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:37.740 use conforms to and is is fits in within the area and the 00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:38.559 character of the area 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.039 that it is proposed to go. We look at whether the use would 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.519 impede the orderly 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.210 development of the surrounding property. We look at the 00:29:48.210 --> 00:29:49.400 parking the generation of 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:53.589 traffic and access. We look at nuisance prevention whether 00:29:53.589 --> 00:29:54.200 there's adequate 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.490 landscaping and screening and whether the the buildings are 00:29:56.490 --> 00:29:57.240 architecturally 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.819 compatible with the surrounding area. So we looked at what 00:30:00.819 --> 00:30:02.000 they're proposing 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.240 staff. Staff determined that they are consistent with the 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:06.759 Denton plan 2030. 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.609 First of all it's consistent with the future land use 00:30:09.609 --> 00:30:10.960 element because it does 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.230 provide that that housing to accommodate the the increase 00:30:15.230 --> 00:30:16.720 in student population 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.339 as well as the population within the city of Denton and it 00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:21.359 also meets the 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.940 goal to develop our infill sites to to to grow our in 00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:26.559 interior of our city as 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.819 well as is our our areas outside and on the fringe of our 00:30:30.819 --> 00:30:32.759 city. It provides in 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.819 the needed housing near the TWU campus. There would not be 00:30:36.819 --> 00:30:38.079 any direct vehicular 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.059 access to adjacent neighborhoods so the traffic impacts 00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:42.240 within those adjacent 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.279 neighborhoods would be minimal as a result of this request. 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:48.640 It is on a DCTA 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:54.000 connect route. Commissioner Beck. Concerned thank you chair 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:54.799 concerning that one 00:30:54.799 --> 00:31:00.640 issue now will DCA DCTA be obligated to create some kind of 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:01.640 offset when they 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.869 stop their bus are they gonna do we know if they're gonna 00:31:04.869 --> 00:31:06.059 put a bus stop right 00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:10.759 there well if you will be the bus stop is actually it's it 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:12.420 's on the adjacent 00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:18.559 property but so the DCTA stop is okay it's about in this 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.359 location so when when 00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:24.319 the sidewalks are are constructed it will connect this and 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:25.599 then it will allow 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.349 residents to win the sidewalk so the developer be doing the 00:31:30.349 --> 00:31:30.920 sidewalks in 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.809 front of their development but we won't have it do we have 00:31:34.809 --> 00:31:36.279 sidewalk down from 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:42.400 the Primrose area do we okay okay so there will be sidewalk 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.200 then all the way 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.920 that was yes I'm good thank you 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.279 they're proposing only two-story buildings with increased 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:53.319 side side setbacks 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.619 to ensure compatibility with the nearby residential 00:31:56.619 --> 00:31:58.220 properties and they must 00:31:58.220 --> 00:32:01.009 also meet all dent development code requirements for things 00:32:01.009 --> 00:32:01.759 like screening 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.240 parking lot screening lighting street trees and tree canopy 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:06.119 so all of those 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.890 requirements would have to be met public notification was 00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:12.799 sent out and we 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:19.359 we sent 26 200 foot notices and 73 500 foot notices we've 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:20.240 received four in 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.500 opposition within the 200 foot boundary so we've received 00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:24.680 opposition from these 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.890 property owners and then one in favor the opposition we've 00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:29.720 received is 6% we 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.880 did the calculation earlier today staff does propose 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:36.839 conditions on the approval 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.259 that it must that a full site plan must be submitted to the 00:32:40.259 --> 00:32:41.400 city and reviewed 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.029 for compliance with dent development code requirements and 00:32:45.029 --> 00:32:46.480 we recommend the 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.740 approval of the request because it's consistent with the 00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:50.359 dent development I'm 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.660 sorry the dent and plan 2030 not only in terms of the 00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:53.880 future land use but also in 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.460 terms of infill development and then it would provide 00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:57.839 moderate density housing 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.019 designed to minimize impacts on the nearby single-family 00:33:02.019 --> 00:33:03.079 homes and I will 00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.710 stand for any questions Commissioner Roselle on a slide 00:33:07.710 --> 00:33:08.440 previously you said 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.759 that they're proposing two-story buildings are it doesn't 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:13.839 sound like 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.309 there's a condition to be held to these elevations could 00:33:17.309 --> 00:33:18.880 they after we approve 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:25.539 an SUP build within the MRM MRMU 12 height they're not 00:33:25.539 --> 00:33:26.680 being held to these 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:30.460 today no it is a condition that could be placed on it but 00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:31.880 no they're not they 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.759 would have to meet the NRMU 12 this is just speculation or 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.079 hypothetical this 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:41.000 two-story building option okay 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:48.609 Commissioner Sullivan the same ones but drainage was an 00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:50.680 issue I'm assuming that 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.059 this is all going to drain away from the existing 00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:56.079 homeowners is that just to make 00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.279 sure that they're covered they will have to meet all 00:33:58.279 --> 00:33:59.559 requirements for drainage 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.289 and that that includes not impacting your adjacent 00:34:02.289 --> 00:34:04.240 properties so I'm currently 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.920 they're proposing to actually provide detention in this 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.199 area to to increase 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.869 the separation between the multifamily use and the single- 00:34:12.869 --> 00:34:13.679 family residential 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:19.039 development Commissioner Sanchez just out of curiosity it's 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:19.519 a neighborhood 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.280 university compatibility so you're looking that probably 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.039 students will 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.610 probably use that quite a bit the population will probably 00:34:26.610 --> 00:34:27.280 primarily be 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.730 students is there any way the distance of discussing and I 00:34:31.730 --> 00:34:32.440 don't know if that 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.550 would even be possible a bike trail or something to help 00:34:37.550 --> 00:34:39.400 students get to the 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.119 university because I a lot of students when they when they 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.039 're that close they're 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:48.039 gonna ride their bikes and and mingle is a very dangerous 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:48.960 especially if you're 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.440 gonna have students riding bikes up and down mingle as 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.400 narrow as it is I mean is 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.030 there something that can be done for something like that I 00:34:57.030 --> 00:34:58.039 'm it's certainly 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.199 certainly something we could look at and we could look at 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:02.440 that bike look at the 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:06.989 bike plan and see what what what future infrastructure is 00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:08.480 proposed for mingle 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.119 road that was something that staff looked at because there 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:12.920 are some some 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:16.130 gaps in the pedestrian facilities in this area and I 00:35:16.130 --> 00:35:17.440 measured it and it is 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.610 about a mile walk from this property to the university when 00:35:22.610 --> 00:35:24.159 you kind of one or 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.210 weave through the street so it's about a mile walk that's 00:35:29.210 --> 00:35:32.159 why the DCT a bus stop 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.880 factored so much into our analysis because we wanted to see 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:36.920 where that went 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.119 and if that would provide an alternative transportation for 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:41.280 those for those 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.210 students so so yes it right now I don't think there are any 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:46.119 additional 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.590 improvements contemplated for the the length of mingle row 00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:51.360 but I know it's 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.860 something that is in our bike plan to to more fully 00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:58.480 complete our bike paths and 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.650 then and then but to provide that DCTA will at least 00:36:01.650 --> 00:36:03.159 provide an alternate mode 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.070 of transportation for those students commissioner Smith 00:36:06.070 --> 00:36:07.079 thank you chair 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.420 was the athlete could be present tonight do you know he is 00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:12.599 here good perfect and 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.769 then the can you expound upon the landscape buffer 00:36:15.769 --> 00:36:16.239 requirements you 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.239 mentioned a second ago what are those you said they they 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:20.800 have to you know they 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.679 have to abide by it but what are they exactly so the 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:29.679 landscape buffer is a 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.599 is a type B buffer which is a 10-foot buffer requiring five 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:38.800 evergreen and 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.630 deciduous trees and 30 shrubs per 100 linear feet so that's 00:36:42.630 --> 00:36:43.239 a typical 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.489 10 feet high 10 feet away from building 10 feet from the 00:36:47.489 --> 00:36:49.639 property line back 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.269 toward the buildings the proposed buildings and it would 00:36:53.269 --> 00:36:53.800 have to be 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.280 maintained by the property no height no higher requirement 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:58.679 like that just 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.840 commissioner Sullivan so the DCTA is is really servicing 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.719 the say that was a 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:13.800 senior citizen area yes to the south I guess or west or 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.760 wherever no plans for 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.079 DCTA to have student services I mean if that's gonna be for 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.360 student housing see 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:26.960 I mean I don't know how far a walk that is from that 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.000 location down to the other 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.760 location but I'm just wondering I don't know what their 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:32.880 separation is for their 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.869 stops I don't know if they have a metric that they use to 00:37:35.869 --> 00:37:36.880 separate for their 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.050 stops but if you look at the route that route four takes it 00:37:40.050 --> 00:37:41.079 actually goes to the 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:45.380 TWU area so it really it really includes that entire 00:37:45.380 --> 00:37:47.639 section of town and then and 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.559 then it goes toward that deep TWU area okay thank you 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:56.920 Commissioner Sanchez you have a lot of old oak trees there 00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:58.400 probably what I could 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.300 see from the road there was I could see five or six really 00:38:01.300 --> 00:38:02.440 old but I would call 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.800 old old growth and it looks like they're gonna maintain 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:07.599 them is that is that 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:11.579 correct what I can see there are some existing trees now if 00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:12.519 they cut any of 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:17.610 those what I call old growth what what do they have to do 00:38:17.610 --> 00:38:18.639 to replace that or 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.400 what's the mitigation for that they would have to meet all 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:22.400 tree preservation 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.869 requirements so on any given site there is a certain 00:38:25.869 --> 00:38:27.559 percentage that they have 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:31.349 to that they have to maintain and then any anything that 00:38:31.349 --> 00:38:33.440 they cut down that is 00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.739 anything that they cut down between what they have to 00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:39.920 maintain and and what 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.300 they're proposing they would then have to mitigate for 00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.239 either by planting on 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.449 site or by paying I believe it's a hundred and twenty a 00:38:46.449 --> 00:38:47.519 hundred and twenty 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.679 five dollars per caliber inch that they cut down so they 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:51.519 would either have to 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.320 pay into the tree fund or they would have to plant on site 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:55.119 I believe they are 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.960 citing their building to maintain some of those existing 00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:58.960 trees because they 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:07.599 are nice beautiful trees on the site beautiful post-office 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:07.639 yeah 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.159 Commissioner Beck thank you chair some of my questions I'm 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:14.480 gonna direct at the 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.739 developer when he comes in but just maybe one you can 00:39:17.739 --> 00:39:19.320 answer this open space 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.760 view up near the north side you've got open space in the 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.239 two corners there is 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.110 that a fixed condition or is it subject to some development 00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:31.400 in the future well 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.380 forty eight so it's four acres and they are proposing NRMU 00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:37.320 12 which is a maximum 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.920 density of 12 dwelling units per acre so the maximum number 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.079 of apartments that 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.820 they can put on the side are 48 so they've maxed out what 00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:46.320 they can this plan 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.570 maxes out their density so any additional density or 00:39:50.570 --> 00:39:53.480 anything would have to pursue 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.150 a rezoning okay okay we've mentioned how this is gonna 00:39:58.150 --> 00:40:00.400 appeal to the students so 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.309 I'm gonna assume that these are not necessary family- 00:40:03.309 --> 00:40:04.400 friendly apartments 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.980 that this are we talking about possible SROs here which I 00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:09.039 don't have a problem 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.289 this is a good place for you know we always talked about 00:40:11.289 --> 00:40:12.059 where you got to put 00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:14.960 those there but this is a good place for it but just just 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.739 out of curiosity and I 00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:19.679 could probably ask the developer this later would it be 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:20.719 better for okay one 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.300 last thing again on your site plan here where it talks 00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:25.760 about proposed attention 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.789 on the backside of the East units so that's going to gather 00:40:29.789 --> 00:40:30.719 water pretty much 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:39.760 for the most of the area or just on that side drainage will 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.090 drainage from that detention pond I'm assuming will go 00:40:43.090 --> 00:40:44.679 towards Mingo they'll 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.550 have to make sure that they drain it in accordance with our 00:40:47.550 --> 00:40:48.719 our requirements and 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.929 that will this is conceptual at this point they'll they'll 00:40:51.929 --> 00:40:52.800 have to ensure 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.400 that all those calculations and all their drainage is not 00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:56.599 negatively impacting 00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:04.199 those adjacent property okay good just some comments in 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.679 relation to what you 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:07.960 know some of the other commissioners stated to on the road 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:08.719 that is an issue 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.519 and just for the record wanted to throw out some 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.800 suggestions that part of Mingo 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:21.570 there is on a curvature or if you're coming from northeast 00:41:21.570 --> 00:41:23.639 heading southwest 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.829 yeah you're not going to see as much ahead of you at this 00:41:27.829 --> 00:41:28.639 point with those 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.880 apartments or the means of ingress and as you would if you 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:32.679 were coming from 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:39.719 the square so we need to do some cautionary things there 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.480 and I'm thinking 00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:45.210 maybe without a lot of expense a flashing yellow light and 00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:47.039 some warning signs that 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.400 you're coming up on an intersection that could be a 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.039 possible problem which they 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.309 definitely go the other thing would be when coming out of 00:41:57.309 --> 00:41:58.719 the apartments the 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.880 problem if somebody's barreling down Mingo 50 miles an hour 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:02.320 heading towards 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.280 the square and then someone just casually pulls out of the 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:07.000 apartments it seems 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.840 like and I don't know if this had fallen a developer of the 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.079 city when they when 00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.659 they do their streets but if we could have a merging line 00:42:14.659 --> 00:42:15.760 as they pull out 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:21.130 where it wouldn't be a part of Mingo until about maybe 100 00:42:21.130 --> 00:42:22.119 200 feet up the 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:26.619 road just again just a thought to throw out there for the 00:42:26.619 --> 00:42:27.400 city and in the 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.480 developer because this is going to be an issue that if we 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.000 're dealing with 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.440 students especially and I've seen people come down Mingo 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:35.679 you know help scalpers 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.389 so just something to throw out there for consideration 00:42:40.389 --> 00:42:41.280 thank you 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:45.400 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair okay on that same note 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:46.760 you talk about the 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.929 developers required to do street improvement so you've 00:42:49.929 --> 00:42:51.000 mentioned sidewalks 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.320 is there anything else required so I know Commissioner 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:55.480 Smith mentioned the 00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:58.739 deaccelerator deacceleration lane obviously that's not a 00:42:58.739 --> 00:43:00.280 required thing 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.079 it could be a plating it could be a plating it hasn't 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.159 gotten that far in 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.449 the in the assessment of the infrastructure needs of the 00:43:08.449 --> 00:43:08.880 area in 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.579 relationship to the use so as it moves forward our traffic 00:43:13.579 --> 00:43:14.400 engineers our 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:20.030 engineering department will review this and and and look at 00:43:20.030 --> 00:43:21.280 the information that 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.710 the applicant provides and determine what what 00:43:23.710 --> 00:43:25.239 infrastructure requirements 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.659 would be required on Mingo Road if additional improvements 00:43:28.659 --> 00:43:29.199 would be 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.079 required something like turn lanes or or right turn lanes 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:33.719 so okay so that's an 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.440 engineering discussion and decision I'm sorry that's an 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:38.400 engineering discussion 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:46.119 and decision typically there yes okay thanks any other 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.760 questions on the SUP 00:43:52.760 --> 00:44:03.489 thank you Julie we'll wrap up our work session so at 550 I 00:44:03.489 --> 00:44:04.800 'll close our work 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.519 session and we'll reconvene in council chambers at 630 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:16.760 thank you good evening 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:18.739 and welcome to the city of Denton planning and zoning 00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:19.599 Commission meeting 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:24.960 for December the 13th 2017 this meeting has been duly 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:26.079 posted and we do have a 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:30.260 quorum present and I will call us to order at 630 and our 00:44:30.260 --> 00:44:30.880 first order of 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.949 business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and 00:44:34.949 --> 00:44:36.119 the Texas flag 00:44:49.599 --> 00:45:18.099 I will take us to our agenda item number two and chair 00:45:18.099 --> 00:45:19.079 would entertain a motion 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:25.849 for our minutes Commissioner Smith okay Commissioner Ellis 00:45:25.849 --> 00:45:27.760 second okay we have a 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:33.639 first and a second for approval any comments or questions 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.280 seeing none I'll 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.199 call for a vote on board 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:58.969 motion is going to carry five to zero with two abstain that 00:45:58.969 --> 00:46:00.480 will take us to 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.130 our consent agenda we do have one item item D which is FP 00:46:05.130 --> 00:46:08.159 17 - 0 0 3 1 that's 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.329 going to move down to our items for individual 00:46:11.329 --> 00:46:12.840 consideration and it will 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:21.539 become item 4 C so our consent agenda will be items a B and 00:46:21.539 --> 00:46:21.800 C 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.679 Commissioner Rizel I move to approve the consent agenda 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:29.840 okay Commissioner Smith 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:34.159 I second that motion okay we have a first and a second for 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:35.079 approval any 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:41.730 discussion or questions seeing none I'll call for a vote on 00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:42.480 board 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.949 motion is going to carry seven to zero we'll move us to our 00:47:03.949 --> 00:47:05.280 items for individual 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:14.780 consideration item a will be our calendar 2018 I assume we 00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:15.840 don't have any 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.530 presentation on this no no what I'll just give just for 00:47:20.530 --> 00:47:21.519 just to put on the 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.460 record and for those watching we typically meet second and 00:47:25.460 --> 00:47:27.000 fourth Tuesday 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:31.309 I'm sorry Wednesday of each month for the for the months of 00:47:31.309 --> 00:47:32.519 February and March 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.650 they'll be the first and third Wednesday this is a to it to 00:47:36.650 --> 00:47:37.760 address the conflict 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.559 with with spring break making sure we have a quorum okay 00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:43.920 great thank you for 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.579 the clarification on the calendar Commissioner Ellis thank 00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:48.360 you chair I 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.960 will move to approve the 2018 planning and zoning 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.519 Commission calendar great 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.909 Commissioner Sullivan second that motion okay we have a 00:47:55.909 --> 00:47:57.239 first and a second for 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:03.480 approval any discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:10.360 on board that 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.920 motion carries seven zero that will move us to item B 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:18.719 should be SP 17 - 0053 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:22.760 and call on Haley for presentation 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:32.610 good evening this is a site plan for two multi-tenant 00:48:32.610 --> 00:48:36.599 retail buildings and the 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.409 razor ranch development so the request is for approval of a 00:48:40.409 --> 00:48:41.559 site plan for two 00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.179 multi-tenant buildings that would be constructed and within 00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:44.920 the South RR to 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.760 district on lot 6r and 7r the properties outlined on the 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:50.960 map in yellow it's 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.429 approximately three acres comprised of two lots located at 00:48:54.429 --> 00:48:55.719 the southwest corner 00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:00.210 of a University Drive and Heritage Trail intersection as I 00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:01.800 mentioned before it is 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.849 within the South RR to district of the razor ranch overlay 00:49:06.849 --> 00:49:08.440 site plans for 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.380 properties within this district are subject to the 00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:11.480 architecture and landscape 00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.269 standards that are outlined in exhibit C 1 and D 1 of the 00:49:14.269 --> 00:49:16.280 overlay district each 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.130 site plan is required to include the following items the 00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:19.880 site plan the 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:24.030 landscape plan and the building elevations the razor ranch 00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:24.719 overlay 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.889 outlines the criteria for approval so a P&Z the P&Z will 00:49:27.889 --> 00:49:29.119 approve the site plan 00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.019 if it substantially complies with the concept and schematic 00:49:32.019 --> 00:49:32.719 plan that was 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.380 approved by council for the overlay if it provides for a 00:49:35.380 --> 00:49:36.719 compatible arrangement 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:38.860 of buildings and uses it wouldn't adversely affect any 00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:39.719 properties outside 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.889 the overlay if it provides for safe and adequate 00:49:42.889 --> 00:49:44.559 circulation of vehicular traffic 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.550 and if it complies with all the standards outlined in the 00:49:47.550 --> 00:49:49.199 overlay to look 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.570 at this in a little more detail you see here it is two 00:49:51.570 --> 00:49:52.619 separate lots as I 00:49:52.619 --> 00:49:57.699 indicated lot 6r is building with total about 8800 square 00:49:57.699 --> 00:49:59.079 feet and then lot 7r 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.880 about 8700 square feet so just over 17,000 square feet 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:04.519 total both buildings 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:09.079 would be for mixed retail and commercial uses approximately 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:10.000 three tenants per 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.190 building a total of 108 parking spaces is required for 00:50:14.190 --> 00:50:15.320 these because there's 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.530 no parking maximum within razor ranch they're proposing 132 00:50:18.530 --> 00:50:20.480 spaces and access 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.210 to the site would come from an internal north-south and an 00:50:23.210 --> 00:50:24.239 internal east-west 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.460 drive no direct access off of University or Heritage Trail 00:50:27.460 --> 00:50:30.039 for these buildings 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.750 looking at the landscape plan a total of 29% landscaping 37 00:50:34.750 --> 00:50:35.760 % tree canopy on the 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.920 site the area in light green is existing landscaping that's 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:40.800 already installed 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.550 along University and Heritage Trail that will all be 00:50:43.550 --> 00:50:45.000 maintained to provide the 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.739 parking lot screening and consistency of street trees and 00:50:47.739 --> 00:50:48.920 site design across the 00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.340 frontage of the property the darker green color is all the 00:50:52.340 --> 00:50:53.199 new landscaping 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.449 that would be provided internal to the parking lot and 00:50:55.449 --> 00:50:57.280 around the buildings the 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.369 area in blue is the plaza area so just over 2,000 square 00:51:00.369 --> 00:51:01.480 feet of common area 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.309 for pedestrians that will include some trees and some 00:51:05.309 --> 00:51:07.659 shaded seating look at the 00:51:07.659 --> 00:51:12.639 building elevations for lot 6r mixture of materials stone 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:13.960 if is with neutral 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.829 color palette as called for by the overlay lot 7r very 00:51:17.829 --> 00:51:19.300 similar in style to 00:51:19.300 --> 00:51:24.539 6r staff is recommending approval of the site plan we found 00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:25.239 it to be compliant 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.409 with all the regulations within the razor-grab wrench 00:51:28.409 --> 00:51:28.719 overlay district and 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:32.199 the criteria for approval and I can stand for any questions 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:33.360 commissioner back 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.550 thank you chair Haley on the parking issue they it's a 00:51:37.550 --> 00:51:37.920 hundred and eight 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.519 minimum they requested 24 more which we're always concerned 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:42.400 about all the 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.119 parking that's created and then never used can you go back 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:45.880 to the site plan 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.909 and were these 24 extra parking spaces going in a specific 00:51:49.909 --> 00:51:50.599 area are they 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.690 evenly dispersed throughout no that would just be dispersed 00:51:53.690 --> 00:51:54.639 across both lots 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:59.480 and there is a landscaping requirement for internal parking 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:00.239 lot islands the 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.409 equivalent of every 15 spaces so adequate landscaping to 00:52:03.409 --> 00:52:04.920 shade and help 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:12.159 control stormwater in the parking lot okay thank you you 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:13.079 said it was mr. 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:18.789 Sanchez we have a 37% territory canopy you said yes what's 00:52:18.789 --> 00:52:19.559 the maximum that 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.030 you can go if you can you go more than 37% or and what's a 00:52:23.030 --> 00:52:24.159 maximum minimum is 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:29.519 there okay is that something that's set who sets that for 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.599 any building site well 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.260 within the overlay each each parcels required to have that 00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:36.280 20% so overall 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:40.139 this site is providing a 17% extra tree canopy above what 00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:41.519 is required okay that's 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:51.090 minimum okay any other questions for Haley thank you this 00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:52.920 is a item for 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.300 individual consideration it's not a public hearing but 00:52:55.300 --> 00:52:56.000 there if there is 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.110 anyone who would like to speak on this item or the 00:52:58.110 --> 00:52:59.480 applicant please come forward 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:06.530 at this time seeing none the chair would entertain a motion 00:53:06.530 --> 00:53:07.739 or open the floor for 00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:12.260 discussion Commissioner Smith a motion to approve SP 17 - 0 00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.000 0 5 3 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.389 Commissioner Sullivan second the motion we have a first and 00:53:17.389 --> 00:53:18.079 a second for 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:24.920 approval any discussion seeing none call for a vote on 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:31.599 board that motion is going 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:38.480 to carry 7-0 we'll move us to item 4 C I have a conflict of 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:39.079 interest on this 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.780 property I have a partnership interest in this particular 00:53:41.780 --> 00:53:42.679 project and so I'm 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.690 going to recuse myself and I'll turn it over to vice chair 00:53:45.690 --> 00:53:47.559 Roselle thank you 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:49.559 chair 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:59.170 for item 4 C on FP 17 0 0 3 I'll call Julie Wyatt 00:53:59.170 --> 00:54:04.599 presentation good evening 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.809 I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of Denton and 00:54:08.809 --> 00:54:16.679 I am presenting a 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.170 final plot for consideration Evers way typically these are 00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:23.039 seen on the consent 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:26.619 agenda however due to some condition conditions that staff 00:54:26.619 --> 00:54:27.320 is recommending 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:32.059 this has been moved to the individual consideration it is a 00:54:32.059 --> 00:54:33.400 final plot that 00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:36.119 it's in conformance with the preliminary plot that was 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.360 approved in September of 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.619 this year there are three conditions that staff is 00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:42.960 recommending first that 00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.909 civil engine civil engineering construction plans for West 00:54:45.909 --> 00:54:46.679 Hercules Lane 00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.159 and all public infrastructure necessary to serve the 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:50.519 proposed development must 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.659 be approved prior to the prior approved before the plat is 00:54:54.659 --> 00:54:56.360 filed if any utility 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.289 easement locations need to be modified as a result of the 00:54:59.289 --> 00:55:00.000 final civil 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.559 engineering plans DRC approval shall be required so staff 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:05.480 level approval would 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.849 be required a text-up permit would be to allow access and 00:55:10.849 --> 00:55:12.119 improvements to North 00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:16.019 Locust Street must be obtained before prior to the plat 00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.920 filing and also a 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.179 traffic impact analysis must be approved before the plat is 00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:22.239 filed that traffic 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.650 impact analysis has been submitted to the city and is 00:55:24.650 --> 00:55:25.800 currently under review 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:29.719 so I'll stand for any questions we do have one Commissioner 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:30.199 Smith thank you 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.760 vice chair Julia the applicant been agreeable to the 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.519 conditions proposed 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:44.960 they've been discussed with an agreeable to yes no other 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:48.480 questions so just for 00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:51.570 clarification in your agenda this is item 3d it's been 00:55:51.570 --> 00:55:52.400 moved to individual 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:58.960 consideration and now 4c it's FP 1700 31 it's not a public 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.000 hearing but you're 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.239 more than welcome to speak if anyone wants to speak on this 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:02.840 you can step 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:08.320 forward see none the vice chair will open this for a 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:09.519 discussion and or motion 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.880 looks like we have a motion by Commissioner Smith motion to 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.039 approve SP 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:21.179 FP 17 - 3 0 0 3 1 with the acceptance of city staffs 00:56:21.179 --> 00:56:23.199 conditions Commissioner 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:27.440 Sullivan I second that motion seven a first and the second 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.679 vote on the board 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:46.489 motion passes six to zero with one recusal that's it for 00:56:46.489 --> 00:56:47.440 the individual 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:51.039 consideration we'll call the chair back in for the public 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:51.639 hearing 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.570 that will move us on to our public hearing section this 00:57:07.570 --> 00:57:11.159 evening I'm going 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:16.920 to open the public hearing for Z 17 - 0 0 2 6 and I believe 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:18.199 this item is going to 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.360 be continued the chair would entertain a motion for a date 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:23.320 certain of January 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:28.480 24th Commissioner Roselle I move to postpone agenda items Z 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.039 17 00 26 to a 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.840 date certain of January 24th 2018 okay Commissioner Smith 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:36.559 second that motion 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:40.349 okay we have a first and a second to continue to a date 00:57:40.349 --> 00:57:41.320 certain and we will 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.639 leave this item open so it will not have to be renoticed 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.400 any further discussion 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:53.440 on this item seeing none call for a vote on board 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:04.699 motion is going to carry seven to zero our item B has been 00:58:04.699 --> 00:58:06.480 withdrawn our item 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:12.719 C has been withdrawn our item D has been withdrawn and that 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:13.760 will move us to our 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:18.679 item E and I'll call on Julie Wyatt and I will open the 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:20.719 public hearing for FR 17 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:25.679 - 0 0 2 0 B 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:34.050 this is a public hearing for a final replat of previously 00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:36.800 platted property 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:40.570 the subject property is located in our downtown area on 00:58:40.570 --> 00:58:42.119 south of East Hickory 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.590 Street is intended to facilitate the redevelopment of a 00:58:45.590 --> 00:58:46.760 couple of the lots 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:49.460 on the property that the applicant is here if you have any 00:58:49.460 --> 00:58:50.519 questions and I'll 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.559 stand for any questions as well 00:58:53.719 --> 00:59:00.239 any questions for Julie thank you Julie thank you this is a 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:01.119 public hearing 00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.699 anyone that would like to speak on this item please come 00:59:03.699 --> 00:59:05.000 forward at this time I 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.840 do not have any cards requesting to speak 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.010 again this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak on 00:59:15.010 --> 00:59:18.159 this item seeing 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:21.369 none close the public hearing and open the floor for 00:59:21.369 --> 00:59:23.639 discussion or emotion 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:31.800 Commissioner Beck moved to approve FR 17 0 0 2 0 B okay 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:32.840 Commissioner Smith 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:36.010 second that motion okay we have a first and a second for 00:59:36.010 --> 00:59:37.760 approval any further 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:45.480 discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:58.199 motions going to carry seven zero we'll move us to item F 00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.559 open the public 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:06.300 hearing for Z 17 - 0 0 1 2 we'll call on Julie white for 01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:08.800 presentation 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:15.000 all right good evening 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.409 Julie before you get started are you going to present both 01:00:23.409 --> 01:00:24.719 of these items at 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:28.409 this in the SCP and then we'll just do separate votes are 01:00:28.409 --> 01:00:29.800 we open them yes sir 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:33.380 yes sir so this is there are two separate items we're gonna 01:00:33.380 --> 01:00:34.199 go over but 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.230 we'll do one presentation just in interest of time and then 01:00:38.230 --> 01:00:40.000 and then there 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.579 will have to be two separate votes it is because it's all 01:00:43.579 --> 01:00:44.800 one project so that's 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.820 why we're gonna take it at the same time so right now we're 01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:49.440 gonna go over Z 17 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:54.920 12 and s 17 6 the mingo road apartments so as you stated 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:56.119 there are two requests 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.769 first there is a rezoning the applicant is proposing to re 01:00:59.769 --> 01:01:01.039 zone the property from 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.889 neighborhood residential 3 to neighborhood residential 01:01:03.889 --> 01:01:05.079 mixed-use 12 01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:09.340 they're also requesting a specific use permit to allow a 01:01:09.340 --> 01:01:10.400 multifamily 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.590 residential use the subject property is an approximately a 01:01:14.590 --> 01:01:15.320 four acre tract 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.179 located on the north side of mingo road about 150 feet 01:01:20.179 --> 01:01:22.280 southwest of Boyd Street 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:26.340 this is within the vicinity of the TWU campus you can 01:01:26.340 --> 01:01:28.280 probably see the TWU golf 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:33.760 courses in this location here so on the left here we've got 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:34.920 what the existing 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.420 zoning is at the subject property does have an NR 3 zoning 01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:39.440 district they are 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.250 proposing to rezone to NRM U 12 which would extend that 01:01:44.250 --> 01:01:46.119 existing NRM U 12 to 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.840 the west of this that's located west of the subject 01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.519 property the criteria for 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.500 approval for rezoning or in is in subchapter 3 of the Dent 01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:55.239 on Development 01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.750 Code first is the use does the proposed zoning district 01:01:58.750 --> 01:01:59.679 conform to the future 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.170 land use element of the Denton plan 2030 and then second 01:02:03.170 --> 01:02:04.420 does it facilitate the 01:02:04.420 --> 01:02:08.610 adequate provision of public infrastructure so we'll take 01:02:08.610 --> 01:02:09.340 the future 01:02:09.340 --> 01:02:13.039 land use element first per the Denton plan 2030 the future 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:14.320 land use designation 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.480 of the property is neighborhood university compatibility 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:18.360 the intent of 01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:22.590 this area is to provide compatible housing and service and 01:02:22.590 --> 01:02:23.519 services that 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.690 serve both the both of our universities as well as the 01:02:26.690 --> 01:02:27.679 surrounding neighborhood 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:31.360 so if you look at the enrollment the current enrollment 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:32.760 plus the enrollment 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.119 projections of our of our universities within the city of 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.079 Denton there is how 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.309 their housing needs to accommodate that and and so this 01:02:41.309 --> 01:02:42.780 neighborhood university 01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:47.579 compatibility area is intended to accommodate that and try 01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:48.480 to provide 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:52.159 compatible forms and uses not only to provide for that 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:53.880 additional housing but 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.639 also so that integrates well within those surrounding 01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:58.320 neighborhoods staff 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.150 looked at the neighborhood university compatibility area 01:03:01.150 --> 01:03:02.159 and determined that 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.920 NRMU 12 is appropriate for this future land use designation 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:06.800 because it does 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.820 both of those both of the housing and then also provides 01:03:09.820 --> 01:03:10.679 some small-scale 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:16.170 commercial uses which could provide services for those 01:03:16.170 --> 01:03:19.480 populations the code 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.949 also talks about the adequate provision of public 01:03:22.949 --> 01:03:24.719 facilities for a rezoning so 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:28.320 when we we look at the area there is water in that sewer 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:29.880 along Mingo Road 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.630 however extensions of both of those may be required at plat 01:03:33.630 --> 01:03:34.920 ting and that would 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.559 be something that would be determined during that that 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.599 stage of development it 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.599 is located on Mingo Road which is a secondary arterial 01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:44.719 under current 01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:49.039 conditions Mingo Road is a two-lane undivided road 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:50.880 secondary arterials per 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.519 the Denton Development Code are typically required to be 01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:54.000 four lane 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.659 divided roads with five foot sidewalks on either side so it 01:03:58.659 --> 01:04:00.480 's not currently built 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:06.320 to the ultimate secondary arterial standard it is my 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:06.840 understanding from 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:10.730 engineering currently there aren't any projects that are or 01:04:10.730 --> 01:04:11.559 any capital 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.250 improvement projects that are intended to widen Mingo at 01:04:15.250 --> 01:04:17.320 this time however with 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.610 the development they would be required to dedicate right-of 01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:21.440 -way and do any 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.690 public infrastructure improvements associated with the 01:04:25.690 --> 01:04:27.800 development we also 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.130 looked at the compatibility of the request with the 01:04:30.130 --> 01:04:31.099 surrounding zoning 01:04:31.099 --> 01:04:34.860 districts so when we look at at the existing development 01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:36.119 pattern as well as 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.900 the location of the site on that primary arterial staff is 01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:41.159 determined it's it's 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.400 really unlikely to develop with single-family residential 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:45.000 uses you know 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:50.989 access is only taken from that Mingo Road roadway as well 01:04:50.989 --> 01:04:52.360 as those those 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:57.719 single-family neighborhoods plus the the the age-limited 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.119 multifamily development 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:06.440 to the West kind of isolate this this this piece of 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:07.360 property so that there's 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:10.329 not vehicular access to those adjacent neighborhoods it's 01:05:10.329 --> 01:05:12.000 built out around them 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.000 neighborhood or NRM U12 is intended for these types of 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:17.800 areas it's intended to be 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.980 near to residential areas and to be compatible compatible 01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:22.800 with residential 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.269 neighborhoods it provides some some different housing types 01:05:26.269 --> 01:05:27.280 as well as some 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.130 commercial services some small-scale commercial development 01:05:30.130 --> 01:05:30.840 so it's intended 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:35.440 to be near residential areas that will be required the way 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:36.239 that the site is 01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:40.909 configured it backs up to adjacent properties so the buff 01:05:40.909 --> 01:05:41.880 ers will be 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.360 required I believe we talked in the work session that would 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:45.159 be a 10-foot 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.530 landscape buffer require a certain number of trees and shr 01:05:48.530 --> 01:05:49.639 ubs to be planted 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:53.210 between any use on this site and those single-family 01:05:53.210 --> 01:05:55.519 residential neighborhoods 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.659 NRM U12 is a logical extension of that existing 01:05:59.659 --> 01:06:01.000 neighborhood residential 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:05.159 neighborhood residential mixed-use 12 adjacent to the 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.800 subject property it's 01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:10.670 also kind of a lot an appropriate transition from this dr2 01:06:10.670 --> 01:06:11.639 and DCG which 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.960 is closer to TWU as you're transitioning toward that single 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:16.800 -family residential 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.500 neighborhood so it's a logical transition as well the 01:06:19.500 --> 01:06:20.800 subject property 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:24.739 is also an infill development the the debt and plan 2030 01:06:24.739 --> 01:06:25.760 calls for infill 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:30.829 development it calls for these types of parcels that are 01:06:30.829 --> 01:06:32.559 within our city to 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:36.429 provide some different housing types and different services 01:06:36.429 --> 01:06:37.320 so that we can 01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:43.019 maintain compact growth so based upon the criteria for 01:06:43.019 --> 01:06:44.000 approval staff 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.480 recommends approval of this request because it is 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:48.800 consistent with the with 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.170 the future land use element as well as the goals and 01:06:51.170 --> 01:06:52.360 objectives of the dent and 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:57.030 plan 2030 and it also encourages infill development in a 01:06:57.030 --> 01:06:58.280 way that is compatible 01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.590 with the surrounding zoning and development pattern and 01:07:01.590 --> 01:07:02.760 that concludes 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.969 the zoning portion of the presentation if anybody has any 01:07:05.969 --> 01:07:06.960 questions otherwise 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:10.130 I'll just move forward with the specific use permit 01:07:10.130 --> 01:07:12.099 commissioner back thank you 01:07:12.099 --> 01:07:16.030 chair Julie we all I think most of commissioners mentioned 01:07:16.030 --> 01:07:16.519 in the work 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:20.699 session we're concerned about mingo Road in the traffic 01:07:20.699 --> 01:07:22.239 issue that may arise and 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:30.179 the fact that it is considered a second arterial could you 01:07:30.179 --> 01:07:31.719 share with us for the 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:36.630 sake of the audience why this development was considered 01:07:36.630 --> 01:07:37.159 okay to go 01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:43.480 ahead with without the widening of mingo at this time well 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:44.960 we're gonna be adding 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:48.960 some traffic to it albeit not a lot but still within the 01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:50.639 city of Denton how our 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:56.349 roads network typically develops is that as as development 01:07:56.349 --> 01:07:58.079 on a roadway comes 01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:03.030 forward right of way right of way dedication is is is 01:08:03.030 --> 01:08:04.079 determined at 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:07.500 platting and then any additional roadway perimeter 01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:09.760 improvements are determined at 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:12.599 platting mingo is kind of an interesting case because it's 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:14.920 an existing road so as 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:19.319 the city develops as there are future improvements to our 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:21.039 roadway network that 01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:24.680 will be something that would be considered but right now 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:25.600 there aren't 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:29.170 any planned improvements for mingo Road now this 01:08:29.170 --> 01:08:31.479 development would be required 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:35.510 to dedicate right of way for future any future widening 01:08:35.510 --> 01:08:37.279 projects on mingo Road 01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:42.449 they would also be required to to construct any sidewalks 01:08:42.449 --> 01:08:44.159 so as as the as 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:48.350 the network as the roadway continues to to develop they 01:08:48.350 --> 01:08:50.119 would that would be that 01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:53.500 piece of pedestrian facilities that they would that they 01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:54.720 would put in so it's 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.000 just one more piece that will continue creating those 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.439 connections so there's 01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.090 nothing planned right now but this but this one would be 01:09:03.090 --> 01:09:04.199 required to have some 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.550 improvements to the road okay but we're likely not to see 01:09:07.550 --> 01:09:09.439 any widening of mingo 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.039 is a second arterial meeting the criteria of second arter 01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:12.760 ial and we see a 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.930 lot more development along mingo unless there is some other 01:09:15.930 --> 01:09:17.000 mechanism that that 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.130 creates that that such as like a capital improvement 01:09:21.130 --> 01:09:23.560 project okay okay all right 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:26.279 thank you sure 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.729 Commissioner Smith thank you chair during discussion of 01:09:29.729 --> 01:09:30.319 approval for the 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.060 zoning can we can we limit the height that the height in 01:09:33.060 --> 01:09:34.760 our m12 is 12 at 65 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:38.229 feet are we able to to approve landing that height at all 01:09:38.229 --> 01:09:39.560 the the height limit 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.699 of NRM u12 is 40 feet and yes you could put a condition on 01:09:43.699 --> 01:09:45.800 either the SUP or the 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:51.239 zoning case that could limit the height so yes sir 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:58.289 when I already be 12 he's that's 40 feet in it 65 is what I 01:09:58.289 --> 01:09:59.119 'll say maximum 01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:04.880 building I had 65 feet no you're fine I just wanted to make 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:05.560 sure I didn't say 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:20.010 wrong no NRM u12 sport 40 feet it's 40 but you could you 01:10:20.010 --> 01:10:20.800 could restrict that 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:25.329 is you could restrict that or does it is it says says right 01:10:25.329 --> 01:10:26.520 here in our in our 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:29.039 backup it says maximum building height 65 feet then I 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:30.600 apologize I was incorrect 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.989 in the backup yes it is 40 feet further I apologize never 01:10:34.989 --> 01:10:36.399 mind yes thank you thank 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:41.960 you for pointing that out all right so any other questions 01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:43.039 no questions on this 01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:47.229 part all right presentation all right so now we'll talk 01:10:47.229 --> 01:10:48.119 about the specific use 01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:51.539 permit and what they're proposing on the site so they are 01:10:51.539 --> 01:10:52.760 proposing a specific 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:57.380 use permit for multifamily developments they are their 01:10:57.380 --> 01:11:00.079 proposal is 48 two-bedroom 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:04.779 units with some outdoor recreation they are proposing two- 01:11:04.779 --> 01:11:06.159 story buildings 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:09.329 buildings would be set back from the single-family 01:11:09.329 --> 01:11:10.880 residential per their site 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.359 plan so if we could just take a look at their site plan 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:15.439 they are proposing some 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.020 detention areas on the east as well as the northern side so 01:11:19.020 --> 01:11:20.119 they're pulling 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.489 those buildings back away from the single-family 01:11:22.489 --> 01:11:24.359 residential areas they're 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:27.560 also they would be required to meet the landscape buffers 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:28.680 in the code and that 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.260 is depicted on this on this site plan as well as street 01:11:32.260 --> 01:11:33.479 trees along mingo road 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:37.260 they're also proposing some masonry and stone accents and 01:11:37.260 --> 01:11:38.560 you can see here the 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.720 conceptual elevations this is what would be presenting 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:43.359 toward mingo road it would 01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:47.890 also have street trees along the frontage of it and then 01:11:47.890 --> 01:11:48.680 here is the rear 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:54.380 elevation so the criteria for approval for specific use 01:11:54.380 --> 01:11:55.159 permits are in sub 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:57.250 chapter 6 of the debt and development code and it is 01:11:57.250 --> 01:11:57.920 essentially a 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.390 compatibility analysis between the surrounding property and 01:12:01.390 --> 01:12:01.880 then the 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:06.229 proposed use what we look at is typically what would the 01:12:06.229 --> 01:12:07.319 specific use 01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:10.029 impede the normal or orderly development of the surrounding 01:12:10.029 --> 01:12:11.760 vacant property with 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:15.380 the parking and generation of traffic and access how would 01:12:15.380 --> 01:12:16.640 that work within 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:20.319 that the greater context of the site and the in the area 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:21.960 what what types of 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:25.170 nuisances with the proposed use create and what what 01:12:25.170 --> 01:12:26.760 mechanisms could prevent 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.479 that nuisances is there adequate landscaping and screening 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:30.960 and is the 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.609 architecture compatible with the surrounding property when 01:12:34.609 --> 01:12:35.640 we looked at 01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.550 their proposal we determined it is compatible with this 01:12:39.550 --> 01:12:41.239 with the adjacent 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.470 properties for the following reasons first it's consistent 01:12:44.470 --> 01:12:45.399 with the dent plan 01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:49.199 2030 future land use element and also the goal of the 01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:50.659 future of the didn't plan 01:12:50.659 --> 01:12:55.800 2030 to develop infill sites so the didn't plan 2030 once 01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:56.439 that kind of 01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.619 compact growth and these types of infill sites where you 01:12:59.619 --> 01:13:00.520 could get some 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.939 different housing types meet that requirement it would also 01:13:03.939 --> 01:13:04.439 provide 01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:09.359 needed housing near a TWU campus and that that meets that 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:10.800 future land use 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:16.640 designation as well the way the site is is is set out 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:17.840 within the surrounding 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.680 development there's no direct vehicular access to adjacent 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:22.800 neighborhoods so it 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.520 would limit any traffic impacts within those those adjacent 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:27.800 neighborhoods it 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:32.069 is on a DCTA connect route so it would provide alternate 01:13:32.069 --> 01:13:33.079 roads modes of 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:39.850 transportation for the the residents there are proposed two 01:13:39.850 --> 01:13:40.760 -story buildings 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.170 with increased side setbacks and that increases the 01:13:43.170 --> 01:13:44.319 compatibility with the 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:47.510 nearby residential development and additionally the use 01:13:47.510 --> 01:13:48.520 must meet all dent 01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:50.899 and development code requirements for screening parking 01:13:50.899 --> 01:13:51.880 lighting street trees 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:56.689 and tree canopy public notification was sent out we've 01:13:56.689 --> 01:13:59.399 received four four letters 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.189 in opposition within the 200 foot boundary and you can see 01:14:02.189 --> 01:14:02.640 they're 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:07.390 depicted here and read and that is 6% we've received one in 01:14:07.390 --> 01:14:08.640 favor and that is 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:14.840 this property right here staff proposes the condition on 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:15.840 the specific use 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.310 permit that it is required to ensure that they must submit 01:14:19.310 --> 01:14:20.279 a full site plan 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:22.770 to ensure that it does comply with all dent and development 01:14:22.770 --> 01:14:23.560 code requirements 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:27.060 for those those items such as site design landscaping 01:14:27.060 --> 01:14:28.279 parking and building 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:33.979 design so based upon the criteria for approval and the 01:14:33.979 --> 01:14:35.039 proposed condition 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.710 staff recommends approval of the request because it is 01:14:37.710 --> 01:14:38.920 consistent with the dent 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:42.279 plan 2030 and it also provides moderate density housing 01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:43.479 designed to minimize 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:46.489 impacts to nearby single-family homes to create a 01:14:46.489 --> 01:14:47.880 compatible form within an 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:52.569 infill area and I will stand for any questions got several 01:14:52.569 --> 01:14:53.000 questions 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:56.869 Commissioner Smith make sure deacceleration lanes along M 01:14:56.869 --> 01:14:58.279 ingo the 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:02.180 owners of course we put on to the engineer the applicant to 01:15:02.180 --> 01:15:03.000 construct 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.579 those is there anything that would treat as a trip 01:15:05.579 --> 01:15:07.079 generation that would trigger 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:11.100 the city making that a requirement correct yes it would be 01:15:11.100 --> 01:15:12.520 based upon their 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:18.310 based upon the road the the in their proposal the types of 01:15:18.310 --> 01:15:20.119 trips that their 01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.699 proposal would generate that may require additional turn 01:15:23.699 --> 01:15:25.000 lanes either left turn 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.170 lanes right turn lanes some sort of system improvements 01:15:28.170 --> 01:15:29.319 within that area so 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.970 that is something that they'll be determined at platting 01:15:31.970 --> 01:15:32.640 once a little 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:37.159 more detailed information has been provided to the city 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:38.800 thank you sure 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:42.300 Commissioner Sullivan thank you Judy what is the the 01:15:42.300 --> 01:15:43.520 screening that's going to be 01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:49.439 going specifically on the north and east boundaries what is 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:50.640 the screening 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.800 requirements yes they would be required to put in that 10- 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:55.399 foot landscape buffer 01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.880 which includes 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.989 five evergreen and deciduous trees and 30 shrubs per 100 01:16:09.989 --> 01:16:11.479 linear feet okay so 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:14.369 there's no wall or anything just landscaping the didn't 01:16:14.369 --> 01:16:15.039 develop a code 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.800 doesn't require a wall okay and it looks like on the map 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:22.600 that from the one set of 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:27.119 apartments proposed apartments on the east side that it's 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.119 70 feet from the 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:36.920 north boundary and then 40 35 feet from the east boundary 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:38.319 is that am I reading 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:41.489 that right yes it's set back fairly far now this is 01:16:41.489 --> 01:16:42.680 conceptual at this exact 01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:46.819 understand so but I think from the letters that that I saw 01:16:46.819 --> 01:16:47.520 here the 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:52.359 concern was rain one ought runoff you know water runoff 01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:53.319 that's not going into 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:58.800 their property traffic and which I'm assuming is more on m 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.680 ingo and just I'm 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.710 sure just looking in the backyard at an apartment but when 01:17:04.710 --> 01:17:05.840 we're looking at 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:12.319 these distances and the landscaping requirements you know 01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:13.840 am I right to 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.520 assume that that sort of mitigates some of those issues 01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:19.039 that it's not going to 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:22.510 be an apartment right up to the on the boundary line that 01:17:22.510 --> 01:17:23.760 they're going to be 01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:27.159 able to somebody in the second floor look down on to them 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:28.159 it was part of a 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:31.439 staffs analysis that those increased setbacks did increase 01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:32.520 the compatibility 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.609 with those adjacent residential properties because it minim 01:17:35.609 --> 01:17:36.239 izes those 01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:40.119 visual impacts of the of the proposed apartment buildings 01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.920 okay thank you sure 01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:46.680 Commissioner back thank you chair couple questions for 01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:47.119 Julie 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:51.529 monkey back on Commissioner Sullivan's comments would it be 01:17:51.529 --> 01:17:53.159 safe to assume that 01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:56.329 the fact that we're coming in and developing or the 01:17:56.329 --> 01:17:57.399 applicant is going to 01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:01.859 develop this property that drainage would actually improve 01:18:01.859 --> 01:18:03.039 as a result that 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:07.220 because now they've got to meet requirements that weren't 01:18:07.220 --> 01:18:08.880 in place back 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:13.500 when the current owner was there that there were conditions 01:18:13.500 --> 01:18:14.399 there that 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:18.319 contribute to poor drainage on owners property but now that 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:18.840 the developers 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.140 coming in they've got to ensure that we're not going to 01:18:21.140 --> 01:18:22.000 increase that or 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:24.029 we're not going to add to that is that right they would 01:18:24.029 --> 01:18:24.680 have to make sure 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.850 they're not negatively impact those adjacent properties 01:18:27.850 --> 01:18:29.319 okay also you 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:32.739 pointed out that one of the conditions that have to be met 01:18:32.739 --> 01:18:34.760 for an SUP is that 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:38.340 adequate nuisance prevention measures have been or will be 01:18:38.340 --> 01:18:39.560 taken to prevent or 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:42.800 control offensive odors fumes dust noise and vibration so 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:44.119 my question is 01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:49.720 who and how is this determined what source do you use to 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:51.560 measure this is 01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:55.529 somebody going out checking routinely here in terms of the 01:18:55.529 --> 01:18:57.039 those types of 01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.460 nuisance those are typically nuisances we see with more 01:19:00.460 --> 01:19:01.399 intense uses not 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:05.130 residential uses something like a an industrial use or 01:19:05.130 --> 01:19:06.560 maybe a even a more 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.479 intense commercial use staff doesn't anticipate that that 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:12.560 dust or fumes or 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:17.430 noise or vibration that is inconsistent with what's what 01:19:17.430 --> 01:19:18.279 what a residential use 01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:22.899 would would produce is is going to be likely at this this 01:19:22.899 --> 01:19:25.000 site so we're not 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:29.020 anticipating that a nuisance of that sort would be present 01:19:29.020 --> 01:19:29.960 here but if a 01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:33.430 resident nearby were to consider that such nuisance were 01:19:33.430 --> 01:19:34.359 going on they could 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:39.210 call the city and y'all would respond to that certainly 01:19:39.210 --> 01:19:41.800 okay okay thank you 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:48.130 Commissioner Sanchez when we're looking at the the old the 01:19:48.130 --> 01:19:49.840 trees there's quite a 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:53.189 few older trees there and my concern is and you mentioned 01:19:53.189 --> 01:19:54.479 it earlier you go by 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:59.079 caliper but is there a difference you consider trees a one 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:00.239 that's eight inch 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:05.439 DBH as opposed to one that would be like 30 inch DBH I mean 01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:06.920 that would have a lot 01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:11.109 more value even though it's there may they may will be oaks 01:20:11.109 --> 01:20:12.319 but the older the 01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:17.170 tree the more value it has because there's less of those 01:20:17.170 --> 01:20:18.279 kind of trees so 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:22.750 is there anything in the in the plan that states okay the 01:20:22.750 --> 01:20:24.399 older tree will get 01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:28.090 three points well the same type of tree but at eight inch 01:20:28.090 --> 01:20:29.680 only gets one do you 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:34.149 consider that at all the the way our tree code is written 01:20:34.149 --> 01:20:35.079 it's in sub chapter 01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:38.500 13 of the Denton Development Code and it does differentiate 01:20:38.500 --> 01:20:39.560 between tree sizes 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:46.880 and also the some species of trees so there are there would 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:47.960 be preservation 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:53.880 requirements for protected trees versus let me 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.850 there are protected trees there are also secondary trees 01:21:05.850 --> 01:21:07.880 and then there there are 01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:11.680 quality tree and quality tree stands so the size of the 01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:13.239 excuse me the size and 01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:16.329 species of the tree would determine that classification and 01:21:16.329 --> 01:21:17.359 there are different 01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:21.859 preservation requirements for each type so so depending on 01:21:21.859 --> 01:21:23.319 how those trees are 01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:26.170 classified as they get to that platting stage then they'll 01:21:26.170 --> 01:21:27.000 come up with their 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.729 tree preservation plan at that point they would have to 01:21:29.729 --> 01:21:30.600 meet all of those 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:36.140 sub chapter 13 requirements and one more question we talked 01:21:36.140 --> 01:21:37.560 about it's in the 01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:40.819 neighborhood university compatibility and we were my 01:21:40.819 --> 01:21:42.119 concern is you know if 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:46.130 we're gonna provide housing for students what about by a 01:21:46.130 --> 01:21:47.720 lot of used bikes I know 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.100 there is will be a bus route through there but there's a 01:21:51.100 --> 01:21:52.319 lot of students that 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:55.840 also ride bikes and that would be a concern for me is that 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:57.119 eventually we need 01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:01.619 to provide some safety because that road is very narrow and 01:22:01.619 --> 01:22:02.880 we don't want 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:07.350 students to get hit driving to school or riding to school 01:22:07.350 --> 01:22:08.720 is there I know you 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:14.079 mentioned something a future plan for route bike rights 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:15.479 routes in that area 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:19.100 well the city of Denton does have a bike plan that they are 01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:19.920 currently 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.760 implementing and so there are different routes that will 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:25.399 connect different bike 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:28.390 routes within the city in order to connect residential 01:22:28.390 --> 01:22:29.359 areas with those 01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:34.720 nodes of education and employment so as that bike plan 01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:35.800 continues to be 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.439 constructed that that bike network will just fill out more 01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:41.800 and provide more 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:47.500 connections in terms of when when mingo would either get a 01:22:47.500 --> 01:22:48.880 bike lane or what is 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:51.560 proposed for that I don't have that information with me I 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:52.439 don't know when 01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:55.529 that would come about but I know that the city is looking 01:22:55.529 --> 01:22:56.439 at completing that 01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:58.920 network 01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.569 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair Julie was there any 01:23:04.569 --> 01:23:05.279 neighborhood meeting 01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:08.039 regarding this the applicant host a neighborhood meeting 01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:08.699 they did have a 01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:11.079 neighborhood meeting they had a neighborhood meeting over 01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:11.560 the summer I 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:14.729 wasn't able to attend that was a City Council night but the 01:23:14.729 --> 01:23:15.720 applicant is here 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.020 so they could probably give you more information about what 01:23:18.020 --> 01:23:18.800 transpired at the 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:22.439 meeting okay perfect thank you sure Commissioner Ellis 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:23.960 thank you chair Julie 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:28.199 going back to road concerns traffic impact analysis is it 01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:29.399 required it 01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:31.850 wouldn't be required in this instance because it meet that 01:23:31.850 --> 01:23:32.720 doesn't meet those 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:35.979 thresholds this the Denton Development Code has thresholds 01:23:35.979 --> 01:23:37.239 when that traffic 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:42.119 impact analysis would be required and this 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:51.720 based upon the trip generation manuals 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:58.060 based upon the the eighth edition of the Institute of 01:23:58.060 --> 01:24:00.640 Transportation engineers 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:05.279 trip generation manual the proposed use would generate 320 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:06.680 daily vehicle trips 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:10.920 and 33 evening peak hour trips the Denton Development Code 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:11.960 requires that 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:17.220 any use over a thousand vehicle trips per day or 100 peak 01:24:17.220 --> 01:24:18.720 hour trips would 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:23.449 require a TI a because this one doesn't doesn't breach that 01:24:23.449 --> 01:24:24.600 threshold then it 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:28.739 wouldn't be required in this instance so if engineering is 01:24:28.739 --> 01:24:30.000 going to determine if 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.600 road improvements are necessary they just making that 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.159 decision amongst 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:38.119 themselves or they would look at those trips generation it 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:39.239 had generated and 01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:42.930 how they're dispersed in the area so so it would it would 01:24:42.930 --> 01:24:44.399 be based upon that not 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:49.939 necessarily a full TI a there may be I mean there could it 01:24:49.939 --> 01:24:51.239 doesn't meet the 01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:53.880 threshold of a TI a but if it did get to that point where 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:54.840 they thought they 01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:57.420 needed it that is something that the applicant could 01:24:57.420 --> 01:24:58.439 discuss with engineering 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:02.800 to ensure that the applicant or that the site is adequately 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:04.359 served okay thank you 01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:12.319 sure any other questions for Julie thank you Julie this is 01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:14.279 a public hearing I do 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:21.369 have one card wishing to speak Lawrence Hall Dorf speaking 01:25:21.369 --> 01:25:24.039 in support 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:33.159 hello I'm Lawrence Holder 2415 North Elm Street Julie if 01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:33.840 you could help me put 01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:39.039 the slide on okay hold up 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:06.840 it's good news 01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:35.899 you 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:32.840 [ Pause ] 01:27:33.840 --> 01:28:01.840 [ Pause ] 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:07.840 [ Pause ] 01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:09.840 >> I apologize for that. 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:17.840 [ Pause ] 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:23.380 Okay, as shown for the card that I turned in, I am Lawrence 01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:25.520 Holdworth, the engineer on this project representing Flumer 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.930 -Rometti, the developer, and Amanda Austin, the owner of the 01:28:28.930 --> 01:28:29.840 property. 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:34.840 We actually held two neighborhood meetings. 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:37.840 They were held on 6/20 and 8/03. 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:41.439 And both of those, we went for the first one to see what 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:45.569 the neighborhood concerns were, and then we came back in 8/ 01:28:45.569 --> 01:28:48.840 3 to kind of show them what we were at that time. 01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:51.090 So we took a concept plan to them, and then we came back 01:28:51.090 --> 01:28:53.189 showing them what we planned to do to address those 01:28:53.189 --> 01:28:53.840 concerns. 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.710 The concerns that were addressed by the residents was the 01:28:57.710 --> 01:29:01.779 increase in traffic on Mingo Road, the exasperation of the 01:29:01.779 --> 01:29:03.840 existing drainage issues. 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:07.010 So the increase in traffic on Mingo Road, as discussed 01:29:07.010 --> 01:29:10.409 earlier, Mingo Road is a secondary arterial, and it is 01:29:10.409 --> 01:29:13.840 going to be addressed for future improvement. 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:18.250 And the exasperation of existing drainage issues, per the D 01:29:18.250 --> 01:29:22.840 ENT development code, we have to, as discussed earlier, not 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:26.840 allow any additional negative impacts off-site. 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:30.840 So we do plan to take our drainage into detention. 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:34.500 We plan to take all that drainage down south, splitting it 01:29:34.500 --> 01:29:38.300 to the current drainage pattern, east and west, because we 01:29:38.300 --> 01:29:40.840 are actually on a divide right there. 01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:44.010 So we do not plan to take any drainage to the east and very 01:29:44.010 --> 01:29:47.140 limited drainage to the north, less flow than what is 01:29:47.140 --> 01:29:49.840 currently going to those directions now. 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.500 The loss of privacy for residents back in the development, 01:29:52.500 --> 01:29:54.939 our buildings, as shown, are pulled far away from the 01:29:54.939 --> 01:29:57.840 property line, much further than what is actually required. 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:01.420 The site plan actually is 44 feet away from the east 01:30:01.420 --> 01:30:05.180 property line, 35 feet being what is required per the 01:30:05.180 --> 01:30:09.369 height building setback, a 10-foot buffer along the north 01:30:09.369 --> 01:30:11.840 and the east is required as well. 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.920 So we are pulling those buildings a little bit further back 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:17.979 , providing a detention pond between the two so it's a nice 01:30:17.979 --> 01:30:23.930 green area, and then providing additional green space along 01:30:23.930 --> 01:30:25.840 the north side. 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:30.229 The preservation of existing trees, we, through our site 01:30:30.229 --> 01:30:33.579 plan, we were able to pull the buildings in such a way that 01:30:33.579 --> 01:30:36.680 we were able to preserve the majority of all the existing 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:39.840 trees on the site, way more than what is required. 01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:45.590 The required tree preservation at this time is about 25%, 01:30:45.590 --> 01:30:49.840 not about, it is 25% of quality trees. 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:53.649 We are preserving more than 50%, I'm hoping to zoom in on 01:30:53.649 --> 01:30:56.840 that number here as soon as we get to that point. 01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:00.659 The additional residents are concerns, so we received a few 01:31:00.659 --> 01:31:04.119 letters, or at least one letter, that was requesting 01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:05.840 additional concerns. 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.699 Noise and traffic congestion increased, the noise off of M 01:31:08.699 --> 01:31:10.840 ingo Road, as my understanding on that. 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:15.180 Our buildings, the building, the landscaping, as well as 01:31:15.180 --> 01:31:19.270 the open space, should be able to mitigate that noise and 01:31:19.270 --> 01:31:22.840 that traffic volume noise from Mingo Street. 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.930 So we're not just open clearing and providing a parking lot 01:31:25.930 --> 01:31:28.840 where noise would just be able to bounce and ricochet all 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:30.840 the way back to those residents. 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:34.060 Traffic congestion, again, it is a secondary arterial that 01:31:34.060 --> 01:31:36.840 has not been developed to its maximum potential. 01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:41.789 So as soon as it is developed at that time, we will be able 01:31:41.789 --> 01:31:45.840 to, it will be able to handle the traffic. 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:50.439 Again, our site is only taking 320 trips, way under the 01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:55.840 thousand trips, and it's almost compatible with the trips 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.289 that would be from single family residential that would be 01:31:59.289 --> 01:32:02.340 installed in this location, or constructed in this location 01:32:02.340 --> 01:32:02.840 as well. 01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:06.000 We have a willingness to work with the city engineer and 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.840 with the traffic engineers. 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:11.119 If any improvements are required, turn lanes, acceleration 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:14.079 lanes, or anything of those natures are determined to be 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.529 required, we will be working with them during the plotting 01:32:17.529 --> 01:32:21.229 process to provide those if required, and to determine if 01:32:21.229 --> 01:32:22.840 they are required. 01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:25.840 Property value decrease was another concern. 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:29.880 We did a quick analysis just by grabbing a random home 01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:34.250 further north, and I can show you the slides as we get down 01:32:34.250 --> 01:32:39.050 to that point, further north on budding a development, the 01:32:39.050 --> 01:32:46.840 apartments that were built in 2005 or 2015, sorry. 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:50.000 And to show that the apartments, even though they were 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:53.069 built, the property values had decreased during the 01:32:53.069 --> 01:32:56.840 recession and then have been slowly increasing since then. 01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:59.699 And when that apartment complex was constructed, there was 01:32:59.699 --> 01:33:01.840 no negative impacts that were foreseen. 01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:05.850 Now we aren't a realty agent, so we can't determine whether 01:33:05.850 --> 01:33:08.840 or not there actually will be a decrease. 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.229 However, it is our best judgment that property decrease is 01:33:12.229 --> 01:33:13.840 not going to be an issue. 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:16.829 Request for turn lanes on Mingo, again that is being 01:33:16.829 --> 01:33:18.840 addressed at the planning process. 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:21.930 We have more than a willingness to address deceleration 01:33:21.930 --> 01:33:24.840 lanes and turn lanes during the planning process. 01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:26.920 The request for walls are barriers between development and 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:27.840 adjacent residents. 01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:31.840 There are currently fences out there now. 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:34.840 There are currently trees along the buffer line. 01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:38.680 We are only removing the shrubbery that is not consistent 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:42.039 or conducive to the buffer to be able to provide the 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:45.840 required trees and shrubs for the development code. 01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:52.229 So we are trying to preserve all the trees and desired 01:33:52.229 --> 01:33:56.840 foliage in the buffer. 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.000 Walls and barriers, at this time we have been discussing 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:03.229 and we have been discussing with the city staff internally 01:34:03.229 --> 01:34:07.250 with the developer as well to provide, potentially provide 01:34:07.250 --> 01:34:08.840 a wall there. 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:11.840 But at this time it is not required per the DDC. 01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:17.800 And we are hoping to look at the feasibility of that during 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:21.840 the site plan and planning process. 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:22.840 Again, this is actually a response. 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:25.840 I just went ahead and wrote it out. 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:28.840 I'll skip this because I already just said it. 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.840 Additional site enhancements. 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:36.840 Our buildings will have a very nice facade on them. 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:40.199 They will look, they will present well from the street as 01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:41.840 well as from internally. 01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:45.460 We are providing a lot of open space and a detention 01:34:45.460 --> 01:34:49.460 between the building and the property owners as opposed to 01:34:49.460 --> 01:34:51.840 trying to provide that detention internally. 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:55.010 We gave that as a buffer between the buildings and the 01:34:55.010 --> 01:34:55.840 residents. 01:34:55.840 --> 01:35:01.699 It is designed to be a pedestrian oriented development by 01:35:01.699 --> 01:35:07.300 providing connectivity internally, sidewalks and 01:35:07.300 --> 01:35:13.380 recreational areas as well as open space for pedestrian use 01:35:13.380 --> 01:35:13.840 . 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:18.529 We are showing at this time and would like to present on 01:35:18.529 --> 01:35:23.279 the site plan as well bicycle racks, the community bicycle 01:35:23.279 --> 01:35:23.840 racks. 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:26.840 I'm not sure if a lot of people are going to post those, 01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:32.840 but we are for the community bicycle racks at this time. 01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:37.090 And as well as covered bicycle racks or providing a storage 01:35:37.090 --> 01:35:38.840 facility for those. 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:42.199 So we understand that some of the residents may be coming 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:45.840 from the school and therefore will be riding their bike. 01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:48.119 And so we want to provide a safe and secure location for 01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:48.840 those bikes. 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:56.840 The outdoor recreational area such as like a dog park or a 01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:00.970 ultimate frisbee area, something along those lines on the 01:36:00.970 --> 01:36:03.840 inside internal of our site. 01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:06.840 Our lot coverage currently is 38 percent. 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.840 The inverse of that is 62 percent landscape. 01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:13.829 The maximum lot coverage is 60 percent or 40 percent 01:36:13.829 --> 01:36:14.840 required landscape. 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.840 We are showing 62 percent landscape on our site. 01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:20.840 We are almost doubling our landscape requirement. 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:25.340 So our site is in itself half the size that is required per 01:36:25.340 --> 01:36:27.840 the coverage requirement. 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:32.609 So we are really trying to maximize that green space, that 01:36:32.609 --> 01:36:37.329 open feeling, that outdoor kind of pedestrian oriented 01:36:37.329 --> 01:36:38.840 development. 01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:43.390 We are limiting our structures to the two stories, to under 01:36:43.390 --> 01:36:45.840 the 40 feet, two story structures. 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:49.890 That way we aren't proposing to go four story, three story 01:36:49.890 --> 01:36:53.970 thing along those lines where the abutting residents will 01:36:53.970 --> 01:36:57.869 fear that somebody that high can actually peer down into 01:36:57.869 --> 01:37:00.840 their backyards and into their home. 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:07.060 So with the setback, with the buffers, with the trees and 01:37:07.060 --> 01:37:13.310 everything else along that comes with that, we will not be 01:37:13.310 --> 01:37:18.840 able to easily peer into neighbors backyards. 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:21.350 The preservation of the majority of the existing on site 01:37:21.350 --> 01:37:21.840 trees. 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:22.840 Again, I'm hoping to zoom to that. 01:37:22.840 --> 01:37:26.640 I went ahead and pulled up or put on here the landscape 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:27.840 plan as well. 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:30.840 Preserving at least 50 percent of the trees. 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:32.840 I can't remember the exact number. 01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:35.840 Just left my mind where I stepped up here. 01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:38.310 Willingness to provide an eight foot sidewalk along Mingo 01:37:38.310 --> 01:37:38.840 Street. 01:37:38.840 --> 01:37:42.310 We have discussed this with the city staff and with the 01:37:42.310 --> 01:37:45.840 residents that we would like to increase right now. 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:47.840 Secondary tier requires a five foot sidewalk. 01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:49.840 We would like to increase that five foot to an eight foot. 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:54.359 By increasing that, it provides a wider area for 01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:59.439 pedestrians as well as accessibility for a bicycle for 01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:01.840 passing pedestrians. 01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:08.000 So we would like to or we would like to work with the city 01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:13.840 to provide an eight foot sidewalk if we are able to. 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:17.979 Again, the concept plan that was shown with Julie's 01:38:17.979 --> 01:38:21.840 presentation and then the landscape number. 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:23.840 So I can zoom in and see if it's any clear. 01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:28.840 And I can't get far enough in. 01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:31.840 It's at least 50 percent. 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.840 If not more, again, 25 percent is required. 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:38.859 So here is the notification map that had the neighborhood 01:38:38.859 --> 01:38:39.840 concerns. 01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:43.520 And we took 1509 Creek Avenue, just randomly grabbed their 01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:47.050 site and looked up on DCAD to see property values and 01:38:47.050 --> 01:38:52.840 looking past back the past nine years. 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:55.060 Past the recession, there has been a steady increase in 01:38:55.060 --> 01:38:58.199 property value, even though the development to the west was 01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:02.979 constructed in 2002 and the apartment complexes, which 01:39:02.979 --> 01:39:05.840 would be abutting their property, was built in 2015. 01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:11.720 So we responsibly believe that a multifamily residential 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:15.840 will not negatively impact this area. 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:16.840 That is my presentation at this time. 01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:18.840 If you have any questions. 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:19.840 Got a couple of questions. 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:20.840 Commissioner Smith. 01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:21.840 Thank you, Chair. 01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:25.840 The proposed use is for student housing, correct? 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:35.909 It was suggested that it was student housing. I guess 01:39:35.909 --> 01:39:36.479 really the question I have is that whenever you talk to a 01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:37.079 developer, as I'm bringing in student housing, they're 01:39:37.079 --> 01:39:38.489 envisioning creating apartment complexes that have a one to 01:39:38.489 --> 01:39:41.840 one ratio of bathroom to bedroom. 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:44.250 You know, if it's a four bedroom, four bedroom apartment, 01:39:44.250 --> 01:39:46.840 it's going to have four bathrooms or maybe two bathrooms. 01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:49.819 But it's designed to where you can have individual units 01:39:49.819 --> 01:39:51.840 inside the apartment unit itself. 01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:54.750 Is the design of these apartment complexes proposed to be 01:39:54.750 --> 01:39:57.600 designed to be marketable towards students or is it going 01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.479 to be apartment complexes that will probably be students 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.489 because of proximity to the university, but not going to be 01:40:03.489 --> 01:40:05.840 designed necessarily targeting them? 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:06.840 More of the latter. 01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:10.729 We, of course, welcome the student population to rent from 01:40:10.729 --> 01:40:14.619 these apartments or rent these apartments, but they are not 01:40:14.619 --> 01:40:18.840 specifically designed to go directly after those students. 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:23.590 It is a two bedroom unit. I don't know the exact bathroom 01:40:23.590 --> 01:40:28.279 to bedroom count. My understanding is that it is at this 01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:30.840 time still being finalized. 01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:34.699 It is going to be one bathroom for two bedrooms, but that 01:40:34.699 --> 01:40:38.840 can vary depending on what floor or the ultimate layout. 01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:41.930 But again, we are trying to welcome the students, but we're 01:40:41.930 --> 01:40:43.840 not going specifically for them. 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.840 So it could be a mix of student and family use. 01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:49.840 Absolutely, sir. 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:51.840 Commissioner back. Thank you, Chair. 01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:54.420 Thank you, Mr. Holder for your presentation. And let me 01:40:54.420 --> 01:40:56.840 compliment you on your development. 01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:01.180 I like a lot of things that you're going to do that you're 01:41:01.180 --> 01:41:04.840 planning on doing the preservation of trees. 01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:15.600 Possibility of widening the sidewalk for both pedestrian 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.840 and bike. On that one particular thing, are you just 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:17.840 considering that eight foot width just in front of your 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:17.840 development or would you be willing to work with the city 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:17.840 to take it all the way down to Roodale? 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:21.310 Take the eight foot sidewalk or the existing sidewalk to 01:41:21.310 --> 01:41:24.500 replace the existing sidewalk that's in front of the 01:41:24.500 --> 01:41:28.840 development to the well or add to it. 01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:31.840 That would be something that we would have to. 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:35.829 And I wasn't trying to get you. I was just curious whether 01:41:35.829 --> 01:41:38.079 that was thought evidently it wasn't something you're just 01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:39.840 looking at in front of your development. 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:43.310 Okay, good. That's her. And you did indicate these were two 01:41:43.310 --> 01:41:46.840 stories. So we're not that's not going to change. 01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:48.989 Okay, story is not going to change from the two story. We 01:41:48.989 --> 01:41:51.840 are maximizing the unit count at this time. 01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:55.600 So we do not have the additional units to go vertically or 01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:59.779 horizontally. We cannot expand the buildings at this time 01:41:59.779 --> 01:42:03.600 we may be able to make the square footage slightly bigger, 01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.449 but we cannot make, unless we eliminate one building and 01:42:06.449 --> 01:42:08.710 stack it on top of the other at this point which we, there 01:42:08.710 --> 01:42:10.840 's no reason to do. 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:14.189 And we do not propose that at this time. And that's very 01:42:14.189 --> 01:42:17.720 appealing because that that lower high takes that concern 01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:21.010 away from the residents that should be able to look in, 01:42:21.010 --> 01:42:24.430 considering you got a, I think a 44 foot distance between 01:42:24.430 --> 01:42:30.840 the property and there's 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:34.560 the issue with offense and privacy fence mentioned those 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:38.180 apartments up on university, where it hasn't affected 01:42:38.180 --> 01:42:41.930 property values there they do have a six foot high masonry 01:42:41.930 --> 01:42:43.840 fence all the way around. 01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:47.659 I realize that in homeowners there had some fences of their 01:42:47.659 --> 01:42:51.210 own to now we're driving down boy and seminal and notice 01:42:51.210 --> 01:42:54.470 there are some six foot would privacy fences in the 01:42:54.470 --> 01:42:58.359 backyard, but that's an older development there's still a 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:00.840 lot of chain lead fence four foot high. 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:06.329 So, that aspect of the privacy is lost. Now, the areas that 01:43:06.329 --> 01:43:10.859 are going to back up to these houses on both boy and sem 01:43:10.859 --> 01:43:15.770 inal are going to be the open spaces and detention area so 01:43:15.770 --> 01:43:19.840 not necessarily a lot of people out there but 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:24.279 would you be willing to work with the homeowners as far as 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:28.699 upgrading their fence a little bit to afford a little bit 01:43:28.699 --> 01:43:32.060 more privacy is that a possibility. Yes, so at the time of 01:43:32.060 --> 01:43:32.680 these neighborhood means one that concern was brought up 01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:33.840 and we had expressed with 01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:37.869 residents that we would work with them to improve their 01:43:37.869 --> 01:43:42.069 existing fence, if it does not meet that requirement the 01:43:42.069 --> 01:43:46.180 six foot height or privacy fence if they are accepting of 01:43:46.180 --> 01:43:49.840 that we're not going to force that upon them. 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:54.180 We have discussed with staff and will be discussing with 01:43:54.180 --> 01:43:58.710 staff, the buffer alternative to provide a fence as opposed 01:43:58.710 --> 01:44:03.210 to the shrubs, which in my opinion, would be better for 01:44:03.210 --> 01:44:07.909 this kind of a development but not as foliage in the 01:44:07.909 --> 01:44:09.840 appealing. 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.310 Either or we will be adhering to the development code on 01:44:13.310 --> 01:44:16.779 that so we don't plan to create additional buffer we feel 01:44:16.779 --> 01:44:20.310 as though we have provided enough mitigation for that by 01:44:20.310 --> 01:44:23.840 pulling our buildings away and providing the required 01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:24.840 buffer, so we would just be 01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:30.409 putting the buffer to a buffer that has a fence and then 01:44:30.409 --> 01:44:36.119 would require think it's five trees or four trees every 01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.840 hundred feet then at that point. 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:55.050 So, fence. It's okay. Well, and we'll discuss that moving 01:44:55.050 --> 01:44:55.239 forward so we are looking at hopefully trying to provide a 01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:55.449 fence we have been talking with the developer about that 01:44:55.449 --> 01:44:55.649 providing a fence but at this time we have not finalized 01:44:55.649 --> 01:44:55.840 that decision. 01:44:55.840 --> 01:44:59.329 But we will be working with them we have expressed my agree 01:44:59.329 --> 01:45:02.750 the tree buffer would be good it diminishes it but I think 01:45:02.750 --> 01:45:06.189 the thing with most homeowners going to be the top side it 01:45:06.189 --> 01:45:09.840 's out of mind so if there's that visuals still there. 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:15.689 If you do have a chain link fence and the tree barrier just 01:45:15.689 --> 01:45:21.289 doesn't quite do the trick you would be willing to work 01:45:21.289 --> 01:45:26.090 with them and erect a price for privacy. Yes sir. How would 01:45:26.090 --> 01:45:26.840 they approach you, how would they go about approaching you. 01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:31.340 That is a very good question. That was one of those things 01:45:31.340 --> 01:45:35.489 where we believe that we would be able to approach that 01:45:35.489 --> 01:45:39.949 person at that time saying, your fence appears to not be a 01:45:39.949 --> 01:45:43.840 privacy fence would you like to for us to upgrade that. 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:47.130 And if that doesn't happen, then we know that they would be 01:45:47.130 --> 01:45:50.159 more than if they are opposed to this they would be more 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:53.689 than apt to approaching us. Okay, so at that time we would, 01:45:53.689 --> 01:45:56.840 oh okay you, you would like us to improve that. 01:45:56.840 --> 01:45:58.840 So either or. 01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:01.579 And both, I think is how we plan to do that we actually 01:46:01.579 --> 01:46:04.840 didn't write anything down at this time is how to do that. 01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:07.069 That's a very good logistic question that I'm not really 01:46:07.069 --> 01:46:07.840 thought about. 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:10.840 Okay, I'm glad to raise it there. Thank you very much. 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:11.840 Thank you. 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:13.840 Commissioner Sanchez. 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:19.840 Okay, Julie. 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:24.689 One of the questions is, they haven't met the threshold you 01:46:24.689 --> 01:46:26.840 said as far as traffic. 01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:30.619 What if later on once the bit, and that's going to be, I 01:46:30.619 --> 01:46:34.529 guess that that analysis has been done prior to building 01:46:34.529 --> 01:46:39.000 the apartments. What about, say, a few months later, and, 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:41.840 and the traffic gets pretty heavy. 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:49.970 And then the residents in that neighborhood then petition 01:46:49.970 --> 01:46:56.840 the city to do a re analysis of the, of the traffic. 01:46:56.840 --> 01:47:02.329 Make sure I understand your question so your question is 01:47:02.329 --> 01:47:07.810 that if trap anticipated traffic is actually higher once 01:47:07.810 --> 01:47:11.840 the, once the multifamily was built. Yes, what a new 01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:11.840 analysis of that traffic impact. 01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:15.180 People really feel that it's impact the traffic has 01:47:15.180 --> 01:47:19.340 increased, and therefore it's impacting, you know, the area 01:47:19.340 --> 01:47:23.090 , could they go back to the city and say, hey, now we, you 01:47:23.090 --> 01:47:26.779 know, we really feel that it's a lot worse and what you had 01:47:26.779 --> 01:47:27.840 told us. 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:32.579 And then the city re analysis, re analysis re analyze that 01:47:32.579 --> 01:47:37.279 and then have the city do something. I'm not aware of a 01:47:37.279 --> 01:47:41.600 mechanism by which a new analysis of the traffic could be 01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:44.840 done in terms of this development. 01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:48.140 However, the city or traffic engineer and our engineering 01:47:48.140 --> 01:47:51.029 department as a whole is looking at all of the traffic 01:47:51.029 --> 01:47:54.279 within the city and seeing what improvements can be made to 01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:56.970 our infrastructure so it might be part of a larger 01:47:56.970 --> 01:48:01.100 discussion about the greater network, but in terms of with 01:48:01.100 --> 01:48:02.840 this project, I don't. 01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:05.840 I don't know of a mechanism that there are a reevaluation 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:09.289 could happen. I was just curious you know sometimes people, 01:48:09.289 --> 01:48:12.539 you know, we make analysis and they're not correct. And so 01:48:12.539 --> 01:48:15.840 sometimes we have to go back and re look at it revisit it. 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.579 And that's all that was my question. If, if what the 01:48:19.579 --> 01:48:23.810 analysis that has been done. It doesn't pan out, then what 01:48:23.810 --> 01:48:27.420 do we do the residents have a way to go back to the city 01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:31.479 engineers, or maybe even just as a group, they can go back 01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:32.840 to the city. 01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:36.550 The neighborhood can go back hate. Could you read evaluate 01:48:36.550 --> 01:48:40.119 the traffic here. I would always encourage residents to 01:48:40.119 --> 01:48:43.569 communicate with the city about what's going on in their 01:48:43.569 --> 01:48:46.840 neighborhood so I think that's a good thing to do. 01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:49.840 Go back to the city and see. 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:56.659 Let us know where the issue areas are so that as plans move 01:48:56.659 --> 01:49:02.840 forward, those can be addressed. Yes, sir. 01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:04.840 This is a public hearing. 01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:07.479 Anyone who would like to speak on this item is welcome to 01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:09.840 come down at this time I don't have any cards. 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:12.479 If you do choose to come speak if you'll fill out a card 01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:15.239 for us after you speak will be fine. So come on down and 01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:18.069 give us your name and address and then just fill out a card 01:49:18.069 --> 01:49:19.840 before you leave this evening. 01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:24.449 My name is James Vicki I live at 1510 Seminole Avenue I'm 01:49:24.449 --> 01:49:28.659 north and center of the property that's being proposed for 01:49:28.659 --> 01:49:29.840 the change. 01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:33.090 I must say that I was pleasantly surprised with the redo of 01:49:33.090 --> 01:49:36.050 the design from the one that I saw in August, they did 01:49:36.050 --> 01:49:39.439 manage to pull the property away they gave us homeowners, a 01:49:39.439 --> 01:49:41.840 little bit more space to breathe. 01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:46.590 I do have a few concerns, and one is, like, Mr. Beck said 01:49:46.590 --> 01:49:51.279 here, most of us have four foot chain link fences so while 01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:55.590 the trees are beautiful, I think the fence would would 01:49:55.590 --> 01:50:00.149 offer us a little bit more privacy people from keep people 01:50:00.149 --> 01:50:01.840 from walking on to our property easily jumping the fence 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:05.699 doing whatever you know just in case we want to keep honest 01:50:05.699 --> 01:50:09.659 people honest I suppose. Another issue that I have is, I 01:50:09.659 --> 01:50:13.430 don't know if you guys can see it now, but on the northern 01:50:13.430 --> 01:50:15.840 end, they have set of dumpsters. 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:19.729 And I was concerned my wife and I are concerned that this 01:50:19.729 --> 01:50:24.399 is a dumpster been for 48 apartments and it's 10 feet from 01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:28.930 my house and I would like, if possible for the developer to 01:50:28.930 --> 01:50:32.710 consider moving that maybe somewhere further on to their 01:50:32.710 --> 01:50:33.840 property. 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:39.579 Instead of on mine and my neighbors, you know the 01:50:39.579 --> 01:50:45.840 summertime I would be concerned about the smells. 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:49.840 Another issue that wasn't mentioned. 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:54.340 I think is of importance to is that even though there's 01:50:54.340 --> 01:50:59.279 green space on the northern end of their property. I'm 01:50:59.279 --> 01:51:03.840 wondering what the lighting situation would be like. Right 01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:03.840 now we all enjoy very dark backyards which is which is nice 01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:03.840 . 01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:09.199 I'm wondering if they might be able to address or, or the 01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:13.840 concern of lighting up the backyards a little bit too much. 01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:16.840 If they do have lighting back there whatsoever. 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:21.369 A couple questions for you. Commissioner Alice. Thank you, 01:51:21.369 --> 01:51:23.979 Chair. Thank you for bringing your concerns up I think my 01:51:23.979 --> 01:51:26.449 question might be for staff I had the same thought you did 01:51:26.449 --> 01:51:28.979 with regard to the dumpsters and their location and the 01:51:28.979 --> 01:51:29.840 conceptual plan. 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:36.329 And I believe this is to be addressed at site pant plan 01:51:36.329 --> 01:51:39.840 approval if I am correct. 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:43.010 Excellent so that is to be brought up then and will 01:51:43.010 --> 01:51:46.199 hopefully be addressed because I agree I don't like the 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:47.840 location of it at all. 01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:50.840 It's very close. 01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:53.840 The question has been removed so that's. 01:51:53.840 --> 01:52:20.060 Commissioner back. Thank you, Chair, Julie, could you come 01:52:20.060 --> 01:52:20.380 up and kind of explain the city of the requirements about 01:52:20.380 --> 01:52:20.840 lighting and something like this to allow changes concerns. 01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:25.210 So chapter 13 outlines the requirements for lighting at the 01:52:25.210 --> 01:52:29.130 property line light may may not measure more than one half 01:52:29.130 --> 01:52:33.260 foot candle of illumination, unless it's a pedestrian area 01:52:33.260 --> 01:52:37.439 in that back property, the northern property line wouldn't 01:52:37.439 --> 01:52:40.840 be a pedestrian area so they couldn't measure more than one 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:44.500 half foot candle and it would also have to be shielded for 01:52:44.500 --> 01:52:47.840 upward diffusion to minimize that as well. 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:51.840 Okay, thank you. 01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:54.609 I guess I should say a photo metric plan is reviewed at 01:52:54.609 --> 01:52:57.649 building permits to ensure that that is the requirements 01:52:57.649 --> 01:53:01.010 met right we'll be looking at in greater detail later. 01:53:01.010 --> 01:53:01.840 Thanks. 01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:04.699 Commissioner result you have a question I don't know if it 01:53:04.699 --> 01:53:05.840 'd be for staff or. 01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:08.840 Yeah, it's for Julie thanks chair. 01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:12.630 Can you help us with this process a little bit is there a 01:53:12.630 --> 01:53:16.170 way to put in a request to have these dual dumpsters 01:53:16.170 --> 01:53:20.060 already address a plot or is it going to be on us that when 01:53:20.060 --> 01:53:21.840 a plaque comes back. 01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:25.170 We bring it up and correct it at that time is there any way 01:53:25.170 --> 01:53:28.609 to be proactive in that filing or or us just encourage the 01:53:28.609 --> 01:53:31.989 applicant to make that change when bringing to plot what 01:53:31.989 --> 01:53:35.840 can we do to, because that is a less than ideal location. 01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:40.180 Certainly, so if the, if the SUP if the zoning and SUP are 01:53:40.180 --> 01:53:44.529 approved by Council, then a plot would be approved by the 01:53:44.529 --> 01:53:49.159 planning and zoning Commission, but the dumpster location 01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:53.470 wouldn't be reflected on that plot so and then the site 01:53:53.470 --> 01:53:55.989 plan and building permit would be staff level approved so 01:53:55.989 --> 01:53:59.380 you wouldn't necessarily see that dumpster location so if 01:53:59.380 --> 01:54:01.840 that is something that you wanted to add as a condition 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:04.270 that or, you know, bring that up as a condition it 01:54:04.270 --> 01:54:04.840 certainly serves that purpose. 01:54:04.840 --> 01:54:08.319 If that's a condition it's certainly something that you 01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:11.949 could address at this time, but there wouldn't be a future 01:54:11.949 --> 01:54:15.600 opportunity to discuss that that location, other than it 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:17.840 staff approved at staff level. 01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:18.840 Thank you. 01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:20.840 Yes, thank you. 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:21.840 Commissioner Smith. 01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:22.840 Thank you, chair. 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:27.250 So you said dumpsters in the location, but commercial 01:54:27.250 --> 01:54:32.279 commercial properties and their dumpsters users, next to 01:54:32.279 --> 01:54:35.840 that but a residential users own property. 01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:38.840 Their DDC code for that or is there. 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:41.220 They would just have to meet buffer requirements. What's 01:54:41.220 --> 01:54:44.319 the buffer requirements we know that that well if I believe 01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:47.430 the commercial against single family residential is the 15 01:54:47.430 --> 01:54:50.250 foot landscape buffer so it would be that landscape buffer 01:54:50.250 --> 01:54:51.840 and then I think six trees and a certain number of shrubs 01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:55.220 of 15 of landscape buffer so it's something that we could 01:54:55.220 --> 01:54:58.449 as we go to vote on this EP. We could say it's a 15 we 01:54:58.449 --> 01:55:01.840 think that it should be 30 or something like that. 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:05.840 You could certainly address that location and in some form. 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:08.220 Yes, more or less just want to know what it was now I want 01:55:08.220 --> 01:55:10.840 to say let's do 15 and it's all it's already 15. 01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:13.840 Right now it's 10 right now they have it at 10. 01:55:13.840 --> 01:55:16.840 Okay. 01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:18.840 Commissioner Alice. 01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:22.010 Thank you at this point I think my questions for the 01:55:22.010 --> 01:55:22.840 applicant. 01:55:22.840 --> 01:55:27.689 Regarding this dumpster location. Is there another location 01:55:27.689 --> 01:55:31.619 that it could be on the site plan for the applicant, you 01:55:31.619 --> 01:55:34.840 address your question to the applicant. 01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:39.770 Yeah, I'm assuming that perhaps it's here because that's 01:55:39.770 --> 01:55:44.689 where it made sense to you as, is there another location it 01:55:44.689 --> 01:55:45.840 could go. 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:51.090 So the dumpster can be located anywhere on site as long as 01:55:51.090 --> 01:55:56.439 it has adequate access for waste management so a dumpster 01:55:56.439 --> 01:56:01.899 that is believe it's 14 foot by 22 feet dual dumpster has 01:56:01.899 --> 01:56:06.909 to have 50 feet of clearance behind it so the way that we 01:56:06.909 --> 01:56:11.840 reason why we placed it where we did, which actually 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:14.770 is, is 10 feet off of the property line was because the 01:56:14.770 --> 01:56:17.609 waste management would be able to work its way up through 01:56:17.609 --> 01:56:20.369 grab that dumpster come back through and then loop back 01:56:20.369 --> 01:56:23.010 back around I guess I can use the mouse as opposed to my 01:56:23.010 --> 01:56:23.840 fingers. 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:26.220 So to come up, it would hit that dumpster come back and 01:56:26.220 --> 01:56:29.220 then would come back out the site. So we could locate that 01:56:29.220 --> 01:56:33.279 somewhere else as long as the 50 foot and the 50 foot would 01:56:33.279 --> 01:56:36.689 be roughly see if that's so many foot it'd be roughly about 01:56:36.689 --> 01:56:37.840 down to here. 01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:41.060 So as we rotate that you have to keep in mind that that the 01:56:41.060 --> 01:56:44.420 dumpster itself is not the only part that has to rotate you 01:56:44.420 --> 01:56:47.779 have to have that access or else waste management will not 01:56:47.779 --> 01:56:48.840 accept that. 01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:52.720 So we could relocate it out into the middle of somewhere or 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:56.180 pull it off but I mean now you're talking additional 01:56:56.180 --> 01:56:59.810 concrete additional pavement for something of just 01:56:59.810 --> 01:57:01.840 providing the dumpster. 01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:07.840 This dumpster here is in close proximity, close enough 01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:14.090 proximity to the apartments that we felt that it was viable 01:57:14.090 --> 01:57:16.840 to to locate it there. 01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:19.579 We typically do not like to try to put dumpsters in the 01:57:19.579 --> 01:57:22.460 front of the development as you have to screen that from 01:57:22.460 --> 01:57:25.380 the right of way so as traffic drives along the road you do 01:57:25.380 --> 01:57:28.319 not want to be able to look into as you're driving your car 01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:30.840 look into a development see dumpster. 01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:34.649 We understand that we do have to provide gates doors were 01:57:34.649 --> 01:57:38.529 not to prevent those dumpster from being readily seeable 01:57:38.529 --> 01:57:41.840 but being honest they're not always closed. 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:44.840 So, we do like to screen those. 01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:46.869 We typically try to put them behind building or towards the 01:57:46.869 --> 01:57:49.939 back of a development. So that is the reason for this, this 01:57:49.939 --> 01:57:52.840 SCP putting it in the back of the development. 01:57:52.840 --> 01:57:58.840 During the site plan phase we will be locking that down. 01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:03.159 And I understand typically that is where you'd have it but 01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:07.119 that is where we have our current residents of single 01:58:07.119 --> 01:58:10.720 family property so it is less than ideal if it was 01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:15.130 something that was this commissioners pleasure to want to 01:58:15.130 --> 01:58:19.239 to change and make it conditional upon approval today would 01:58:19.239 --> 01:58:21.840 that be something that you would entertain. 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:26.609 We would definitely entertain relocating the dumpster and 01:58:26.609 --> 01:58:29.840 working with city staff to to do that. 01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:34.739 We will have to look at possible locations for that again 01:58:34.739 --> 01:58:40.069 we are trying to preserve the trees preserve the atmosphere 01:58:40.069 --> 01:58:41.840 for that open space. 01:58:41.840 --> 01:58:47.449 Playground kind of area in the middle between the buildings 01:58:47.449 --> 01:58:47.840 . 01:58:47.840 --> 01:58:51.340 So we don't want to locate it in the middle of the property 01:58:51.340 --> 01:58:54.689 we're trying to avoid that so we could try to put it down 01:58:54.689 --> 01:58:58.260 in the West property line or towards the West, hearing to 01:58:58.260 --> 01:59:00.840 the fire lane radius on a 20 foot. 01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:04.840 You're getting. 01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:08.479 We've been willing to look into relocating it where we're 01:59:08.479 --> 01:59:11.890 ultimately will go it looks as though we have to do some 01:59:11.890 --> 01:59:15.550 geometric changing to the roads into the parking in order 01:59:15.550 --> 01:59:17.840 to to fit that somewhere else. 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:22.970 But we are more than willing to to look in to that, for 01:59:22.970 --> 01:59:23.840 sure. 01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:27.729 The question on the trash bins that all gets reviewed by 01:59:27.729 --> 01:59:31.869 the solid waste department at ultimately they're going to 01:59:31.869 --> 01:59:35.840 be the ones that are going to say we can get trucks in. 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:39.420 And I don't know if the commission would be willing to to 01:59:39.420 --> 01:59:43.180 give staff development review committee staff like we do a 01:59:43.180 --> 01:59:44.840 lot of other things. 01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:48.039 I think the concern has been raised by the residents I 01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:51.609 think obviously commission responded to it it's a concern 01:59:51.609 --> 01:59:54.630 that we could just say we had over to to DRC as it gets 01:59:54.630 --> 01:59:58.189 through the moves through planning and site plan for that 01:59:58.189 --> 02:00:00.840 to be addressed and taken care of and not try to put 02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:04.609 something on arbitrarily that then solid waste doesn't work 02:00:04.609 --> 02:00:04.840 . 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:07.859 So I think that's one of the things that it has to come 02:00:07.859 --> 02:00:11.159 back possibly and just put it in your good hands that it's 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:14.399 a concern has been noted and we need to address it and and 02:00:14.399 --> 02:00:17.810 handling staff level and all the places where that would 02:00:17.810 --> 02:00:18.840 take place. 02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:22.840 It can be handled at staff level or the S.U.P. Yes sir. 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:24.840 Okay. 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:28.899 So that the condition could be a certain number of feet 02:00:28.899 --> 02:00:33.239 from existing residents, so that they could use that as a 02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:37.949 guideline to say if it's 30 foot easement or, you know, 02:00:37.949 --> 02:00:40.840 from existing residents that way. 02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:45.840 They've got the latitude to put it anywhere along that arc. 02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:49.770 You know where the truck would be going anyway to get in 02:00:49.770 --> 02:00:53.970 and out of the apartment complex. So by giving a minimum 02:00:53.970 --> 02:00:58.359 footage from existing residents within allow them more lee 02:00:58.359 --> 02:01:02.329 way to put it someplace and at the same time, make it go 02:01:02.329 --> 02:01:04.840 pathetic with waste management. 02:01:04.840 --> 02:01:08.720 That's the solution. If the commission wanted to structure 02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:12.079 some sort of condition in that way that that certainly 02:01:12.079 --> 02:01:15.930 could be something you could a way to approach the issue. 02:01:15.930 --> 02:01:17.840 Yes sir. Thank you. 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:22.180 Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah, I just wanted to say, I agree 02:01:22.180 --> 02:01:26.840 with Jim basically, I hate to tie their hands. 02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:38.210 I think if we start putting all these, what do you call it, 02:01:38.210 --> 02:01:41.510 just if we start tying your hands, then we don't really 02:01:41.510 --> 02:01:44.590 know what's going on up there until you start taking 02:01:44.590 --> 02:01:48.840 measurements and figuring out, let you all figure it out. 02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:54.840 And I think that would be the best. That's the way I feel. 02:01:54.840 --> 02:01:59.369 I don't want to tie anybody's hands and then we end up with 02:01:59.369 --> 02:02:03.840 a bigger problem than we have right now. 02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:08.069 As, because you also have to, like you said, consider the 02:02:08.069 --> 02:02:10.840 tenants, how far they have to walk. 02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:14.810 There's a big, a much bigger picture than just moving a 02:02:14.810 --> 02:02:18.779 dumpster. There's a lot of other considerations which we 02:02:18.779 --> 02:02:21.840 probably haven't even discussed here today. 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:27.319 As far as I'm concerned, I think that's just leave it up to 02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:29.840 you all to figure it out. 02:02:29.840 --> 02:02:33.840 Seeing questions at this time. Thank you, Julie. 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:38.960 This is a public hearing. Anyone who wants to speak on this 02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:42.840 item, please come forward at this time. 02:02:42.840 --> 02:02:49.140 We have some cards that were handed in. Make sure I get the 02:02:49.140 --> 02:02:51.840 right item. 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:58.609 We had Bernie Carr, 1717 Boy Street was opposed, mostly in 02:02:58.609 --> 02:03:01.840 regards to rainwater runoff. 02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:07.979 We also had Nancy Jordan, 805 Windsor was opposed to the 02:03:07.979 --> 02:03:10.840 request, no reason given. 02:03:10.840 --> 02:03:16.840 We have James Adams, 1518 Seminole, opposed request. 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:23.840 Too many apartments were in it already, traffic. 02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:30.510 We have Mary Richter, 1502 Pertain Street, in favor of 02:03:30.510 --> 02:03:31.840 request. 02:03:31.840 --> 02:03:36.840 That's all the cards that we have on this item. 02:03:36.840 --> 02:03:40.100 This is a public hearing. Anyone who would like to speak on 02:03:40.100 --> 02:03:42.840 this item, please come forward at this time. 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:46.180 Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing and open the 02:03:46.180 --> 02:03:50.409 floor for discussion or a motion in regards to, this will 02:03:50.409 --> 02:03:58.840 be the, I believe, rezone only. 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:01.840 Commissioner Beck. 02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:06.840 Thank you, Chair. I think this would apply to rezone only. 02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:11.250 I like this development. I think it does a lot of positive 02:04:11.250 --> 02:04:16.279 things that reduces the idea of apartments being near 02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:17.840 residential settings. 02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:21.180 What I want to just bring out as a matter of public record 02:04:21.180 --> 02:04:24.149 is really for the staff, engineering on the road, the 02:04:24.149 --> 02:04:27.840 concern about Mingo Road down the road. 02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:30.710 I realize that a lot is not going to change real quick the 02:04:30.710 --> 02:04:34.359 way we'd like it. We're not going to see a four-lane Mingo 02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:35.840 Road anytime soon. 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:39.010 But as I mentioned in the work session, there is a 02:04:39.010 --> 02:04:42.289 curvature along Mingo there that you've got a shorter 02:04:42.289 --> 02:04:46.199 visual of the means of ingress and egress for the 02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:49.840 apartments as you're heading southwest, I guess it is, 02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.840 towards the square. 02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:56.460 So something for the staff to consider, something cheap too 02:04:56.460 --> 02:05:00.890 , would be a flashing yellow light with a sign warning that 02:05:00.890 --> 02:05:04.949 they're approaching such an area and just serve as a 02:05:04.949 --> 02:05:05.840 caution. 02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:09.779 Another suggestion would be to provide a, I think some of 02:05:09.779 --> 02:05:13.560 them call it an accelerator lane, I call it an emerging 02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:17.529 lane where when people pull out of the apartments heading 02:05:17.529 --> 02:05:21.840 again southwest towards the square, there would be a lane 02:05:21.840 --> 02:05:25.829 juxtaposed next to the existing Mingo Road where they would 02:05:25.829 --> 02:05:29.140 have time to gradually build up speed and fit in to offset 02:05:29.140 --> 02:05:32.000 the possibility of somebody barreling down Mingo Road about 02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:34.840 50, 60 mile an hour, which will happen some of the times. 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:39.079 And creating a problem. So it's an issue that as this thing 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:43.079 progresses and moves forward, I would like to hopefully, 02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:47.239 you know, just, you know, for the record, point out that we 02:05:47.239 --> 02:05:50.840 do have an issue with Mingo and hope that there are some 02:05:50.840 --> 02:05:53.840 ideas and plans ahead to deal with this. 02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:57.840 Thank you. 02:05:57.840 --> 02:05:59.840 Commissioner Sanchez. 02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:02.840 Make a motion. 02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:06.000 Can I make a motion at this point, you certainly. Okay, I'd 02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:12.840 like to make a motion to accept agenda item z 17 dash 0012 02:06:12.840 --> 02:06:15.840 to approve to approve it. Yes. 02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:19.840 You have any conditions for the conditions already. 02:06:19.840 --> 02:06:23.840 They automatically are included right. 02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:28.840 Any conditions. 02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:34.439 There's no conditions with this approved zoning clean as is 02:06:34.439 --> 02:06:34.840 . 02:06:34.840 --> 02:06:35.840 Okay. 02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:38.840 Commissioner Smith. I second. 02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:44.829 We have a first and a second for approval. Any further 02:06:44.829 --> 02:06:47.840 discussion. 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:55.840 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on board. 02:06:55.840 --> 02:07:06.840 The motion is going to pass seven zero. 02:07:06.840 --> 02:07:11.020 On to our next item. I'm going to open the public hearing 02:07:11.020 --> 02:07:15.899 for item G s 17 dash 0006 and call on Julie assumed since 02:07:15.899 --> 02:07:20.090 we've already done the presentation will just say that's 02:07:20.090 --> 02:07:24.069 the presentation and move on to anyone who would like to 02:07:24.069 --> 02:07:25.840 speak on this item. 02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:29.840 I'm going to handle that. 02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:33.130 I provided the presentation prior to so if there's any 02:07:33.130 --> 02:07:36.869 other questions I'll be happy to answer them for the SUV. 02:07:36.869 --> 02:07:39.840 Otherwise, thank you for clarifying. 02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:44.329 This is a public hearing, anyone who would like to speak on 02:07:44.329 --> 02:07:48.840 this item, please come forward at this time I did have some 02:07:48.840 --> 02:07:50.840 cards on this as well. 02:07:50.840 --> 02:07:55.840 Okay, so I have one coming forward. 02:07:55.840 --> 02:08:00.550 I have the same speakers are same card submitters. Bernie 02:08:00.550 --> 02:08:04.840 car 1717 Boyd was opposed. 02:08:04.840 --> 02:08:10.840 Have 02:08:10.840 --> 02:08:17.840 James Adams 1518 seminal opposed. 02:08:17.840 --> 02:08:23.210 Mr. 15 or two pertains street in favor and same reasons 02:08:23.210 --> 02:08:27.840 given on each is what was given the previous item. 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:31.680 And this is a public hearing anyone who would like to speak 02:08:31.680 --> 02:08:34.840 on this item please come forward this time. 02:08:34.840 --> 02:08:37.840 Seeing none of close the public hearing. 02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:42.090 Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. So there's been some 02:08:42.090 --> 02:08:45.869 discussion on our consensus about making an amendment for 02:08:45.869 --> 02:08:48.840 the condition in regards to the dumpster. 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:53.859 So, my understanding there's some that are thinking certain 02:08:53.859 --> 02:08:57.840 footage away from the single family property. 02:08:57.840 --> 02:09:02.989 There are some, just to clarify I guess what legal and what 02:09:02.989 --> 02:09:07.279 Jim has mentioned some saying, do we need to put a 02:09:07.279 --> 02:09:12.619 condition in there stating, let the city staff discuss that 02:09:12.619 --> 02:09:17.210 and then bring it back to us at plotting what is the was 02:09:17.210 --> 02:09:17.840 the discussion on that and how 02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:28.840 should we proceed there. 02:09:28.840 --> 02:09:34.710 And that was gonna be my comment is, you wouldn't have to 02:09:34.710 --> 02:09:40.390 place a condition for staff to address site plan issues, we 02:09:40.390 --> 02:09:42.840 're going to see it anyways and have a discussion. 02:09:42.840 --> 02:09:43.840 Correct. 02:09:43.840 --> 02:09:47.439 Okay, make sure it just as a point of order in the staff 02:09:47.439 --> 02:09:52.069 recommendation. There is a condition, and it talks about a 02:09:52.069 --> 02:09:56.949 full site plan submittals will be required so that might be 02:09:56.949 --> 02:10:00.920 something that would make the commission feel well that 02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:02.840 staff has to review that. 02:10:02.840 --> 02:10:04.840 So, thank you, Chair. 02:10:04.840 --> 02:10:05.840 Commissioner back. 02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:09.220 Thank you, Chair, I just want to thank everybody came down 02:10:09.220 --> 02:10:12.149 tonight speak officially the residents in the area 02:10:12.149 --> 02:10:16.930 appreciate your input. And I realized that there were more 02:10:16.930 --> 02:10:19.819 pose and there were for it and the fact that we so far have 02:10:19.819 --> 02:10:23.840 voted to approve the zone change I want you to take heart 02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:23.840 in the 02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:27.100 fact that we do so with the idea in mind that this, this 02:10:27.100 --> 02:10:30.479 particular development is probably going to be the most 02:10:30.479 --> 02:10:33.869 amenable to that area I think it's standpointed out that 02:10:33.869 --> 02:10:37.250 track the land is not going to be so to developers going to 02:10:37.250 --> 02:10:39.840 build single family home so these apartments, 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.130 the way they're designed with the preserving trees, the set 02:10:43.130 --> 02:10:46.439 backs and everything, I think we're going to meet your needs 02:10:46.439 --> 02:10:49.630 not going to devalue property, and we're going to watch it 02:10:49.630 --> 02:10:52.630 closely as it moves forward to this thing does have to go 02:10:52.630 --> 02:10:54.840 into city council be approved so this is 02:10:54.840 --> 02:10:56.840 not the last step. 02:10:56.840 --> 02:11:00.199 But if it gets passed into, then when it when they bring it 02:11:00.199 --> 02:11:03.630 back to us for site plan. That's when we'll start scrutin 02:11:03.630 --> 02:11:07.060 izing things like the dumpster and everything we have your 02:11:07.060 --> 02:11:10.430 concerns in mind, and we'll move this thing forward with 02:11:10.430 --> 02:11:10.840 those considerations 02:11:10.840 --> 02:11:14.729 in mind. So, with that, somebody's already going to make a 02:11:14.729 --> 02:11:15.840 motion to move. 02:11:15.840 --> 02:11:17.840 Thank you. 02:11:17.840 --> 02:11:18.840 Commissioner Smith. 02:11:18.840 --> 02:11:25.979 Make a motion to approve as as 17 dash six, accepting the 02:11:25.979 --> 02:11:28.840 city staffs conditions. 02:11:28.840 --> 02:11:31.829 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you, Chair. I am going to 02:11:31.829 --> 02:11:35.729 second this but I also wanted to agree with Commissioner Be 02:11:35.729 --> 02:11:39.930 cks points. It's, it's invaluable for citizens come down and 02:11:39.930 --> 02:11:43.829 fill out cards and talk and be here late nights with us and 02:11:43.829 --> 02:11:45.840 so I thank you for coming out. 02:11:45.840 --> 02:11:48.699 We did receive a letter from Marie Butler I don't think she 02:11:48.699 --> 02:11:51.680 's here tonight, but we did receive her letter, all of us 02:11:51.680 --> 02:11:54.529 did and take that consideration as well and so hopefully 02:11:54.529 --> 02:11:57.840 the commission has been entirely thoughtful on this I think 02:11:57.840 --> 02:11:59.840 it is a good project. 02:11:59.840 --> 02:12:03.350 It is like Commissioner Beck said the most amenable, and it 02:12:03.350 --> 02:12:06.720 seems as though from from the presentations tonight that 02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:10.020 the developer tried more than than others to reach out to 02:12:10.020 --> 02:12:13.619 citizens with neighborhood meetings and actually take that 02:12:13.619 --> 02:12:16.420 feedback and change their design which I think is is 02:12:16.420 --> 02:12:16.840 unusual and appreciated 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:20.319 so with that I'm going to second this and hope the project 02:12:20.319 --> 02:12:22.840 is a great fit for that neighborhood. 02:12:22.840 --> 02:12:27.140 Okay. We have a first and a second for approval with the 02:12:27.140 --> 02:12:30.840 staff condition attached to that approval. 02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:31.840 Commissioner Ellis. 02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:33.840 Thank you, Chair. 02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:36.420 Just just wanted to basically get our record to say I do 02:12:36.420 --> 02:12:38.930 support this I think it makes sense for this particular 02:12:38.930 --> 02:12:39.840 track of land. 02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:43.010 I do appreciate the developer having the neighborhood 02:12:43.010 --> 02:12:45.979 meetings the two that you've had already and my hope is 02:12:45.979 --> 02:12:49.279 that as the project moves forward, that you continue the 02:12:49.279 --> 02:12:52.000 discussion with the community I think that that is 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:56.840 invaluable to to us as a city to continue that so thank you 02:12:56.840 --> 02:12:58.840 . 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:02.260 I'm like a comment, I'm going to support this as well and I 02:13:02.260 --> 02:13:05.699 know there's some concerns about traffic and based on the 02:13:05.699 --> 02:13:08.930 traffic criteria manual that we've talked about this 02:13:08.930 --> 02:13:11.920 evening. I think we're less than a third of what is even 02:13:11.920 --> 02:13:17.380 the trigger for TIA so certainly my opinion, I doubt there 02:13:17.380 --> 02:13:19.840 'll be any improvements made out of me go because of that, 02:13:19.840 --> 02:13:23.359 it doesn't even, even third of what even would be required 02:13:23.359 --> 02:13:26.659 to even study the area so my assumption is that we vote on 02:13:26.659 --> 02:13:29.939 this is the mingo will stay the way it is based on the size 02:13:29.939 --> 02:13:34.090 of the complex because it's, although for you all as a 02:13:34.090 --> 02:13:36.979 neighborhood is a large complex from what's been there in 02:13:36.979 --> 02:13:41.359 comparison to 200 or 300 or greater size unit that may come 02:13:41.359 --> 02:13:45.840 before us it is a fairly small compact multifamily site, 02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:49.079 two story versus three or four even taller on some of the 02:13:49.079 --> 02:13:52.239 other ones that do come before us so I know it is going to 02:13:52.239 --> 02:13:55.840 be different than what you're accustomed to looking at, but 02:13:55.840 --> 02:13:59.079 it is fairly small in size into comparison to a lot of the 02:13:59.079 --> 02:14:02.890 units that are complexes that come before us so with that I 02:14:02.890 --> 02:14:05.840 'm going to support the motion. 02:14:05.840 --> 02:14:16.329 Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah, I would like to say, I'm also 02:14:16.329 --> 02:14:17.159 going to support it, and I appreciate what the builders 02:14:17.159 --> 02:14:18.000 doing the meetings he's had. I think that that goes a long 02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:18.840 way with with the neighbors. 02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:24.840 And so I just want to say that I'm going to support it. 02:14:24.840 --> 02:14:27.840 Any other comments. 02:14:27.840 --> 02:14:34.789 Okay, we have a first and a second for approval with staff 02:14:34.789 --> 02:14:39.840 condition and call for a vote on the board. 02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:42.840 Motion is going to carry seven to zero. 02:14:42.840 --> 02:14:45.840 Thank you all for coming out this evening. 02:14:45.840 --> 02:14:53.279 That will move us to our final item on our agenda tonight, 02:14:53.279 --> 02:14:55.840 our project matrix. 02:14:55.840 --> 02:14:57.840 Commissioner Roselle. 02:14:57.840 --> 02:15:01.880 Thank you, Chair. Unfortunately, I was not at last meeting 02:15:01.880 --> 02:15:05.899 and my item here coordinate with rezoning committee to 02:15:05.899 --> 02:15:08.840 align future land use to zoning map. 02:15:08.840 --> 02:15:12.840 It says see memo dated November 29. 02:15:12.840 --> 02:15:14.939 Is there a way I can get that memo is that in the agenda 02:15:14.939 --> 02:15:15.840 from last time or. 02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:19.000 Absolutely, we'll make sure it's email to you tomorrow. 02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:22.119 Okay, perfect. The only other thing I had is, I had an item 02:15:22.119 --> 02:15:25.100 , a long time ago and it's actually still here it's second 02:15:25.100 --> 02:15:26.840 to the last but sidewalks. 02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:31.470 And I kind of want to follow up on. There are some streets 02:15:31.470 --> 02:15:35.680 in town that needs sidewalks. What is the per se I would 02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:39.930 like to know what the procedure is I'm thinking 02:15:39.930 --> 02:15:41.840 specifically of scripture. 02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:44.520 There's a lot of traffic there from the apartment complex 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:47.130 and one about to go in and there's no sidewalk. It seems 02:15:47.130 --> 02:15:50.270 like dangerous. I just didn't know the process of the city 02:15:50.270 --> 02:15:51.840 looking proactively. 02:15:51.840 --> 02:15:54.819 If there's not a capital improvement for that road, if 02:15:54.819 --> 02:15:57.850 there is other opportunities to seek adding some safety 02:15:57.850 --> 02:16:01.010 precautions to roadways, if there's a way I could get some 02:16:01.010 --> 02:16:03.840 more information about that, I'd be really helpful. 02:16:03.840 --> 02:16:06.699 What I'll do is for the for the next meeting. I'll prepare 02:16:06.699 --> 02:16:09.640 a memo for you both on addressing scripture and then just 02:16:09.640 --> 02:16:13.739 overall how sidewalks are required. That'd be great. Thank 02:16:13.739 --> 02:16:14.840 you. 02:16:14.840 --> 02:16:17.840 Commissioner back. Thank you, Chair. 02:16:17.840 --> 02:16:21.569 Something that I brought up way back. I don't even think it 02:16:21.569 --> 02:16:25.060 's on the matrix anymore but I think it got. It was a good 02:16:25.060 --> 02:16:28.560 idea at the time and then it became taboo but any chance of 02:16:28.560 --> 02:16:32.459 addressing eliminating the parking minimums for commercial 02:16:32.459 --> 02:16:33.840 developments. 02:16:33.840 --> 02:16:37.469 Plus is to that for both the developer and citizens and 02:16:37.469 --> 02:16:41.479 didn't not sure why. All of a sudden, it took on the boogie 02:16:41.479 --> 02:16:45.370 man row but leaving it up to the developer to determine how 02:16:45.370 --> 02:16:48.940 many parking places they need instead of requiring a 02:16:48.940 --> 02:16:52.620 minimum would open up a lot of space and some of these 02:16:52.620 --> 02:16:56.629 larger developments where we could put some green spaces or 02:16:56.629 --> 02:16:59.409 some smaller commercial interest a little kiosk stuff like 02:16:59.409 --> 02:16:59.840 that. 02:16:59.840 --> 02:17:03.309 Is there a chance of getting that put back on the matrix 02:17:03.309 --> 02:17:04.840 for consideration. 02:17:04.840 --> 02:17:09.620 As a matter of fact, yeah. I mean, yes, we're looking there 02:17:09.620 --> 02:17:13.639 there was a commission request where we're currently 02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:16.840 working on a memo with respect to all parking. 02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:20.469 I think that's going to be the single again it's multifac 02:17:20.469 --> 02:17:24.100 eted because they're so it's it's really I was called the 02:17:24.100 --> 02:17:27.690 silent regulator because you can't really do anything 02:17:27.690 --> 02:17:29.840 unless you have parking. 02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:33.799 Right. And you almost hold people hostage with what they 02:17:33.799 --> 02:17:37.600 can do even really better their property. And so we're 02:17:37.600 --> 02:17:41.760 looking at that now and sort of everything related to that. 02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:45.329 And then I think you'll see that as part of the as part of 02:17:45.329 --> 02:17:46.840 the DDC update. 02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:50.719 Is like the big development areas where you get the big box 02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:54.620 stores and raise a ranch shows a bunch of this where you've 02:17:54.620 --> 02:17:58.149 got all this parking and most of the time that you know 02:17:58.149 --> 02:18:01.940 there's a large percentage is just not you may have a 02:18:01.940 --> 02:18:05.989 Christmas and the special days but that's just a lot of 02:18:05.989 --> 02:18:06.840 wasted space. 02:18:06.840 --> 02:18:10.010 And that's a cost to the developer to that you know 02:18:10.010 --> 02:18:13.239 surprisingly I'd be, you know, see eliminated I know most 02:18:13.239 --> 02:18:16.629 of the time I'm tagging on calls for developers but this is 02:18:16.629 --> 02:18:19.950 one that could be eliminated so good I'm glad it's back on 02:18:19.950 --> 02:18:22.840 and look forward to hearing what you have to say about it. 02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:25.120 Thank you. I'm going to tag on before I recognize 02:18:25.120 --> 02:18:29.049 commissioners. Will that parking memo also address maximums 02:18:29.049 --> 02:18:32.030 as well. It's bringing up that the whole discussion is to 02:18:32.030 --> 02:18:34.840 whether whether or not part we should really still consider 02:18:34.840 --> 02:18:35.840 parking maximums. 02:18:35.840 --> 02:18:38.700 Or whether that should be you know most of the time you see 02:18:38.700 --> 02:18:41.729 it for really a specific at least what I'm familiar with a 02:18:41.729 --> 02:18:45.309 specific area. So whether or not we want to discourage 02:18:45.309 --> 02:18:48.950 discourage car vehicular traffic and promote more of a 02:18:48.950 --> 02:18:53.200 pedestrian environment around around the campus or within 02:18:53.200 --> 02:18:55.829 downtown, then yes maybe it makes sense to put parking 02:18:55.829 --> 02:19:00.840 maximums in, but to do it citywide, maybe not. 02:19:00.840 --> 02:19:05.840 Commissioner Sanchez. 02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:13.340 I also wanted to address the parking. You know there seems 02:19:13.340 --> 02:19:20.540 like there's a lot of right around the downtown area there 02:19:20.540 --> 02:19:27.590 seems to be a lot of new apartments in those streets, you 02:19:27.590 --> 02:19:31.840 just already can get through. 02:19:31.840 --> 02:19:35.840 I'm sorry. 02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:39.420 Once it gets finalized I'll make sure that it's it's sent 02:19:39.420 --> 02:19:42.479 to the board or the commission I'm sorry to look at 02:19:42.479 --> 02:19:46.219 engineering is is in the process of updating their, their 02:19:46.219 --> 02:19:48.840 transportation criteria manual. 02:19:48.840 --> 02:19:51.979 And then also looking at just sort of differently looking 02:19:51.979 --> 02:19:53.799 at context sensitive corridors is kind of a term that's 02:19:53.799 --> 02:20:02.840 used where it may incorporate a lot of different things. 02:20:02.840 --> 02:20:19.159 And so that that's sort of in the works now. But as it's 02:20:19.159 --> 02:20:20.940 getting finalized I'll make sure that it's that everyone 02:20:20.940 --> 02:20:21.840 here has a copy of that. 02:20:21.840 --> 02:20:22.840 Commissioner Smith. 02:20:22.840 --> 02:20:23.049 Thank you chair. You just mentioned it. I think feel like 02:20:23.049 --> 02:20:23.250 the last four or five commission meetings we've had 02:20:23.250 --> 02:20:23.469 something bike related has come up anytime there's any type 02:20:23.469 --> 02:20:23.700 of multifamily of budding any type of single family, or any 02:20:23.700 --> 02:20:23.920 type of multifamily development at all, bikes are brought 02:20:23.920 --> 02:20:24.129 up, we keep talking and hearing city staff talk about the 02:20:24.129 --> 02:20:24.340 bike mobility plan is there any way we don't necessarily 02:20:24.340 --> 02:20:24.840 have a presentation on it, but something just kind of 02:20:24.840 --> 02:20:45.850 as an addendum a memo some of it we can we can add it to 02:20:45.850 --> 02:20:52.840 the city plan. 02:20:52.840 --> 02:20:55.680 Just as an addendum a memo some of it we can we can include 02:20:55.680 --> 02:20:58.559 the next backup we keep on file so we can just see what the 02:20:58.559 --> 02:21:01.549 city's bike mobility plan is for the future so we just have 02:21:01.549 --> 02:21:03.840 it to reference for future projects. 02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:07.840 I will I will make sure that it again that's included with. 02:21:07.840 --> 02:21:10.110 I'll just, I'll do another it'll probably just be a simple 02:21:10.110 --> 02:21:12.350 little cover memo but I'll make sure everybody everybody 02:21:12.350 --> 02:21:14.549 has that prior to the next meeting just just so you have it 02:21:14.549 --> 02:21:14.840 . 02:21:14.840 --> 02:21:16.840 Yeah, thank you. 02:21:16.840 --> 02:21:22.840 I just wanted to add one as well. 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:47.879 There's several months about traffic with projects. And I 02:21:47.879 --> 02:21:48.389 think it'd probably be helpful for all of us as commission 02:21:48.389 --> 02:21:48.909 ers maybe in work session to have some background from staff 02:21:48.909 --> 02:21:49.450 about at what point is it a development's responsibility to 02:21:49.450 --> 02:21:49.840 do improvements. 02:21:49.840 --> 02:21:52.420 A lot of these questions were still going to have to deal 02:21:52.420 --> 02:21:54.500 with a lot of that with the public but I think as a 02:21:54.500 --> 02:21:56.840 commission it would help us all understand. 02:21:56.840 --> 02:22:00.729 Well at this point, the developer has to do something 02:22:00.729 --> 02:22:04.159 otherwise. This is city's responsibility and they are the 02:22:04.159 --> 02:22:06.889 ones that take care of it it's not even a developer issue 02:22:06.889 --> 02:22:09.559 that's even to be considered for our discussion time I 02:22:09.559 --> 02:22:12.840 think it would probably save our commission 02:22:12.840 --> 02:22:16.610 to have that background long term. Certainly I will, I will 02:22:16.610 --> 02:22:19.959 get together with with with us this is the city engineer 02:22:19.959 --> 02:22:22.979 and try to come up with that, come up with a sort of a 02:22:22.979 --> 02:22:26.909 presentation, there's a, there's been a lot of things in a 02:22:26.909 --> 02:22:28.840 lot of changes over the last couple 02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:32.010 of weeks and one of them is really just that sort of 02:22:32.010 --> 02:22:35.489 bringing all of this together. I mean we have a mobility 02:22:35.489 --> 02:22:38.909 plan we have a bike plan and you know what are what are the 02:22:38.909 --> 02:22:42.840 current capacities on the road and what's going to trigger 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:43.840 where it's going to affect the level of service 02:22:43.840 --> 02:22:46.819 so we're really sort of looking at this more a little bit 02:22:46.819 --> 02:22:49.819 more comprehensively so we're not up here guessing and 02:22:49.819 --> 02:22:52.709 trying to figure out what what's best we we have we should 02:22:52.709 --> 02:22:55.920 know and have the data to support it and so that's where we 02:22:55.920 --> 02:22:59.840 're working now to sort of bring all that stuff together. 02:22:59.840 --> 02:23:03.840 Anybody else. 02:23:03.840 --> 02:23:15.290 At 810 I will close our meeting this evening. Thank you all 02:23:15.290 --> 02:23:18.840 for coming out.