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meeting for December 13th. This will be our work session.

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This meeting has been

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duly posted and we do have a full quorum here and I will

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call us to order at 5 0

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6 and our first order of business will be to receive

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clarification of agenda

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items and does anybody have anything on the minutes? We'll

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move on to the consent

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agenda. Any questions on the first item A? Flat, Den Energy

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Center. No questions?

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On the flat. Item B. Any questions on item B? Nothing on

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item B. How about item C?

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Nothing? Okay. I've got a question. Okay. Julie, item C. D

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irt Whisperer. It's the

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Dirt Whisperer LLC Audra Heights edition preliminary class.

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Yes sir. On phase one I

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was curious, you know, is there kind of a tree requirement

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as I drove down that

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down this down the road on Bayfield Road. It doesn't seem

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to be a lot of trees

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there or it just seems like concrete all the way through

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but when the rest of the

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neighborhood, you know, you have real pretty lots, large

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lots, but you hit that

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that section right there where they built all those are

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they duplexes or

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townhouses? The phase one I believe is duplexes. So chapter

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13 does have

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requirements for street trees for single-family residential

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. I don't know

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specifically on that project how those street trees were

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installed or where

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they were installed so I'm not real sure on that phase one.

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Okay I was just

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curious do they go back because they doesn't seem to be a

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whole lot it just

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seems like a lot of concrete. You have the rest of

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neighborhood that's really

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nice and you drive back down into that Bayfield Street and

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it just hits you

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like this doesn't belong here. I know that phase two they

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will be required to

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comply with all sub chapter 13 requirements in terms of I

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believe

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there's a street tree required for every certain number of

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feet or for every lot

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in a single-family residential area and and then they'd

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also have to comply with

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all tree preservation requirements too. Okay and also if

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you look at phase one

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it's got like a lot 18 a and b but on phase two you have

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just numbers. Is that

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I guess I was are they each building is going to just have

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one lot is that the

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way normally? Yes sir phase two is actually a townhome

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product that's what

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they're intending and so on a townhome each each individual

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townhome is on its

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own lot and then they would and then you know the the

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building they can have eight

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attached so each individual townhome will be on its own lot

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and that's also

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why they're actually doing an alley for this phase as well

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so there won't be any

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any front-end parking it will be alleys.

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Is that the stage question? Yeah I would just I guess how

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it's my concern was okay so

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phase one and I guess I'm just trying to compare both

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phases you know and see

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what how much difference is gonna be and one of the things

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I want to make sure is

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as far as trees and cover that kind of vegetation I would

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like to see a lot

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make make sure that that is implemented because that other

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site look I would I

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was it just it's just an eyesore. Sure and I think phase

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two will actually look

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different from phase one because of that alley because it

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won't have those

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driveways in the front so I think it'll probably look a

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little different from

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this cheap street than phase one does. Okay and one more

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thing what about the

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the the I've noticed in that phase one there's a lot of

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parking on the on the

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along the road on the inside of the street so is there I

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know that there's a

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requirement how do you determine I guess I'm just trying to

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it seems like that

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maybe there's not enough parking because from what I

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understand and I was talking

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to a couple of residents a lot of that is for student house

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it's considered

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there's a lot of students living there and they're not

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being sold it's just

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they're just being rented to students so you have a lot of

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parking on the street

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is there any way of compared I'm just trying to figure out

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it doesn't look

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really well and it's hard for people when you're driving

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you have to kind of

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pull over to the side because all this street is just

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covered with cars. I'm

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looking at Richard because I know this isn't we're actually

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working on that

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looking at addressing that now through a multitude of

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issues associated with that

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part part of that although this is an NR6 you have NR6 has

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reduced setback of 10

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feet which really pushes out the house so it's with a one

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car garage so it's

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kind of hard to get really more than two maybe three spots

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to begin with

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coupled with narrow right away so once you start cramming

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all that in and you

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have a family with or even students with three four or five

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cars it fills up

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quick but we are looking at that item and how to address

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that right right now

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and you'll see that I think it was in the next couple

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months as part of the

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DDC update. Anybody else on item C? Item D is going to move

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down to items for

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individual consideration so we'll go on to four which is

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going to be the planning

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and zoning Commission calendar we had a couple changes I

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think we talked about

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at last meeting and we're going to come back. And what

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changed for February and

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March instead of second and fourth it's first and third.

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February and March.

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Anybody else have a question or a conflict on the calendar?

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Okay item B.

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B. Haley.

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All right this item is a site plan for two multi-tenant

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buildings in Razor

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Ranch. So the request is for approval of a site plan like I

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said for two

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multi-tenant buildings to be located on lot 6R and 7R of

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block A of the town

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center. You see on the map here the property is outlined in

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yellow it's a

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little over three acres located at the southwest corner of

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University and

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Heritage Trail so that would be in front of the Wynko Foods

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if you're familiar

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with the area. This particular parcel is a zoned South RR2

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district so that's

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that primarily retail commercial restaurant type uses that

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we've seen

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over the past few months. If you remember site plans for

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Razor Ranch are all

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required to comply with the architectural and landscape

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standards

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outlined in the overlay district and with their site plan

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they're required to

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submit not not just the site plan itself but also a

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landscape plan and building

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elevations for consideration. The overlay also outlines

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criteria for approval so

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the P&Z shall approve a site plan if it substantially compl

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ies with the concept

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and schematic plan, if it provides a compatible arrangement

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of buildings and

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uses and doesn't adversely affect any neighboring

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properties, if it provides

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for safe and adequate circulation of traffic and if it

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complies with all

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sections of the overlay. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair

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. How are we supposed to

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know if it provides a compatible arrangement of buildings

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and land use that would not

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adversely affect the joint neighborhoods if we don't know

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specifically what's

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going to be going in there all we know is they're gonna

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make this? The intent I

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believe in the overlays referring to areas outside of Razor

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Ranch so would

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this particular piece of Razor affect anything outside of

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the overlay? In this

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case it's not really touching anything outside the overlay.

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what's going to go in these buildings? I think the

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assumption is everything commercial within

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Razor would kind of be compatible by nature. So looking at

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their site plan

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into here as I mentioned it's two separate lots so on lot 6

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R we have about

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8800 square feet of building and then lot 7R has about 8700

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square feet and

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these will just be a mixture of commercial uses I would

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imagine retail

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restaurant things of that nature. It requires a minimum of

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108 parking spaces

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they're providing 132 if you remember there's no parking

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maximum at Razor so

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they can provide those extra spaces and then access to the

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site rather than

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being directly from University or Heritage Trail will be

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from these

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internal streets. Looking at their landscaping they're

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proposing a total

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29% landscaping overall 37.5% tree canopy for the site. I

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've kind of done

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two different colors here so the lighter green color is

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actually existing

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landscaping that was installed prior to this development so

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all of that will be

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maintained in place to provide screening and street trees

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Heritage Trail and then what is in the darker green is the

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new internal

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landscaping for the site in the parking lot. And then in

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blue here there is a

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plaza area being provided just over 2,000 square feet will

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have trees and

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some shaded seating by means of tables and benches. Looking

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at the buildings

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proposed lot 6R these are the elevations so mixture of

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materials the typical

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stone and ephas materials with the neutral color palette.

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Lot 7R very

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similar elevation and materials being proposed there. Staff

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approval of the site plan we found it to be compliant with

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all of the

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regulations within the overlay and found that it met those

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criteria for approval

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that we discussed. So I can stand for any questions.

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Commissioner Smith. On the

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entrances you had on, do you want to go back to that slide

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real quick?

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On the site plan, yeah. So they're entering either off of

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those two side

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roads off of University, am I correct? Yes sir. Either of

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those, do we know either of those, are those

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going to be, are those going to have access to the west

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bound turn? Does that make sense? If you're on the

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north side of Razor Ranch or sometimes there's areas where

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you get inlet you can

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only go westbound you can't cross away. Let me see if that

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shows up. I mean you can kind of see on the

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aerial here there will be east-west connectivity here on

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the south side of the

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lots. People trying to get back on University is my big

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question. Yeah so there would there would be there's a

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signal here currently.

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Let's go all the way down there. Yeah so that road will

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connect there and then there is an intent for a

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signal at Heritage Trail. Thank you.

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Anybody else? Thank you Haley. Thank you. And item 4C is an

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item that I have a

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conflict of interest in. I have a partnership interest in

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that so I'm going

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to need to recuse myself both here at work session and in

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the public meeting.

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So I'm going to turn it over to the vice chair. Thank you

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chair. Let him leave.

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Commissioner Ellis. Thank you. Thank you vice chair. What I

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think he said 4C I don't see a 4C on my

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agenda. Did we move something? Yeah there's an agenda

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change from the consent

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agenda item 3D. Okay we pulled 3D. Okay. Yeah. Did not

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realize that. Thank you very

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much.

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Julie the floor is yours. All right so this is one you

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might be familiar with. The

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preliminary plat for Evers Way was approved in September of

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this year. This

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is now coming back with the final plat. There are some

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conditions that stack

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requests that we put on the approval and that's why it's

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being pulled for

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individual consideration. So I know those are in your

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backup but I'll just talk

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talk through them briefly. First that the civil engineering

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construction plan for

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West Hercules Lane and all public infrastructure necessary

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to serve the

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proposed development must be approved before this plat is

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filed. If any utility

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easement locations need to be modified as a result of these

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construction plans

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that the DRC that it could be approved at the staff level

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prior to filing. So

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that that's the first condition. The second is that they

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have to obtain a

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text dot permit to allow access in and improvements to

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North Locust Street

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prior to plat filing and that a traffic the traffic impact

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analysis that's been

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submitted must be approved before the plat is filed. So

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those would be the three

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conditions that staff is requesting on this approval and I

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'll stand for any

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questions. So any questions? Commissioner Smith. Thank you

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Vice Chair. What are the

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reasonings behind the conditions you just briefly give

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especially on like

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that sounds like the permit for the for a text dot sounds

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like a pretty pretty

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expensive condition to put on the developer. It would be

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required

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regardless. They are whenever someone ties into a text dot

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road they have to

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obtain that that permit so instead of holding up the final

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plat the approval

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of that final plat we've gone ahead that and requested that

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that be a condition

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of filing so that they can move forward with the approval

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and then get those

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those expensive permits and those expensive engineering

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plans completed

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between that gap between the approval and the filing of the

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plat. Okay. Just

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wondering I just don't why why I ended up on the consent

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agenda instead of rather

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ending up on the items for an individual consideration

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before then but just if

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that's normal why wasn't on there the first place. Well it

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should have been on

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the individual consideration from the beginning so because

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there are

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conditions associated with it it would have to be

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considered independently.

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Julie I have one question just for a procedural standpoint

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we approve the

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plat so they can proceed but nothing is filed with the city

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for actual

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construction so these conditions are met. Yes sir. And who

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verifies these

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conditions are met before it gets filed what's the

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procedure there? Staff would

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verify so they already have they already have two two

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permits in one or

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two projects in one being the civil engineering plans that

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are being reviewed

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and that's in association with the West Hercules Lane as

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well as the utility

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improvements and improvements associated with this plat.

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They've already they will

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begin working on that text dot permit shortly and then they

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've already

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submitted for that traffic impact analysis and they're

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working through the

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review of that now so so those projects would have to be

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complete and that would

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be monitored by staff both planning and engineering. And

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traditionally are these

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done after a plat is approved or is this just a time and

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issue like can they talk

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to text not before P&Z approves a plat? Certainly yes that

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typically what

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happened before is all of this stuff was was was required

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to be done prior to

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bringing it for approval and so what we're trying to do is

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help expedite it

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in a way and so rather than requiring all of this and

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having the plat even

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though it meets all the all the material requirements of

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the code sort of sit in

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limbo we're trying to get it through at least through the

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approval phase to

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assist with trying to secure any financing and then address

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some of these

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permit related issues as a condition since there's that two

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-year gap.

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Any other questions? Thank you Vice Chair. Then I guess

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just for clarification as

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we're voting on this we'll approve it the plat with staff's

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conditions do we

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need to restate them? I mean I know they're written on the

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plat so. Okay very

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good thank you. Thank you Julie and we will call the chair

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back in.

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We'll move us to our public hearing section. We have one

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change on item A the

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date certain on that's been moved from the 10th to the 24th

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so we'll do look

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for a motion on that we'll open it look for a motion to

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continue to date certain

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leave open B C and D have all been withdrawn so we will not

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even open

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those items tonight and that will move us to item C excuse

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me E and we'll call

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on Julie Wyatt for that presentation.

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All right so this public hearing item is for some lots in

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our downtown area it is

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a replat of several lots within a block area and this is

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for redevelopment on a

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site and I will stand for any questions. Commissioner Beck.

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Thank You Chair. I'm

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assuming that lots four five and six are is that the old

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Denrick Chronicle

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building? Yes sir. Okay so I'm assuming that'll be torn

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down and then these lots

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will accommodate? It is my understanding yes that there's

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gonna be some sort of

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redevelopment on those sites. Any other questions on this

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item? Okay.

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Let's see F? Julie are you gonna do F and G kind of

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concurrent like we did? I am. That's a lucky guess.

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All right so we are taking two items concurrently the Z 17

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12 and S 176

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because they are a part of one project the Mingo Road Apart

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ments. So first Z 1712

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is a request to rezone the subject property from

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neighborhood residential

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three to neighborhood residential 12 mixed use 12 NRMU 12

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and that's that Z

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1712 the second request is a specific use permit to allow a

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multifamily

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residential use. To orient you the subject property is

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located north of

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Mingo Road it is just just west of Boyd on southwest of Boy

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d and it's near the

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TWU campus. TWU campus is off to the west here. Under

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current zoning the subject

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property has an is NR3 district and they are proposing to

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extend the existing

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adjacent NRMU 12 so to look like this. The criteria for

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approval and rezoning

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cases are in subchapter 3 of the Denton Development Code.

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First does it conform

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to the future land use element of the Denton Plan 2030 and

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then second does

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the proposed rezoning facilitate the provision of adequate

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infrastructure.

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First we'll look at the future land use element. This is in

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a neighborhood

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university compatibility area. The intent of this area is

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to provide compatible

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housing and services to serve not only the universities but

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also the nearby

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neighborhoods. The code the Denton Plan 2030 talks about

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how current

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enrollment as well as future enrollment is going to require

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going to need

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additional housing within these areas and services and so

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these these areas

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surrounding these neighborhood neighborhood I mean these

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areas

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surrounding the campuses are intended to provide that

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housing and the necessary

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services for the student population as well as the nearby

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neighborhoods. Staff

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has determined that the proposed NRMU 12 does meet the

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future land use

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designation. NRMU 12 has moderate density housing as well

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as some small scale

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commercial uses that really fit the bill for the

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neighborhood university

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compatibility area because it does provide additional

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housing as well as

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some of those services but at that smaller scale where it

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can be

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compatible with residential. When we look at the public

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facilities first water and

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sewer there is water and sewer nearby on Mingo there

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probably will be extensions

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required of those at Platting and that will be something

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that will be

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determined by our engineering department at Platting.

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Impact fees would be

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assessed at building permit as well. Mingo Road is

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currently developed as a

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two-lane undivided road. On the mobility plan it is

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classified as a secondary

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arterial. Typically secondary arterials are a four lane

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divided road with five

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foot sidewalks and it's currently not developed according

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to those secondary

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arterial standards. At Platting some additional dedications

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and improvements

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such as sidewalks would be required. We look at the

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compatibility of the area

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with the surrounding development and zoning pattern. We see

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that the location

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of the site as well as the adjacent development pattern

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suggests that it's

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unlikely to develop with single-family residential uses. So

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if we just look take

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a look at the site first of all it is it is accessed on M

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ingo Road so it's only

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access is on a secondary arterial and those adjacent

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neighborhoods are

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developed in such a way that there's no vehicular access to

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this site so it's

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really cut off from those neighborhoods. So it wouldn't

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this is unlikely to

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develop develop with its own just single-family

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neighborhood in this

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location. When we look at what the proposed zoning is as I

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said before it's

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intended to be compatible with residential areas. It's

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supposed to be

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placed near there so it can provide those day-to-day

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services and those

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different housing types those moderate density housing

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types. So it has the

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the limitations on the scale and development that that

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would make it

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compatible. Any development on this site because of the way

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it's situated would

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require buffers if it wasn't a single-family use. An NRMU

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12 is a

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logical extension of the existing NRMU 12 to the west and

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also this this lot is

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an infill lot and our Dent Plan 2030 talks about infill

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development it talks

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about how we want these these sites to be developed and to

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provide additional

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housing for for the city. So this this meets that criteria

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within the Dent Plan

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2030. So based upon this criteria staff recommends approval

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of the zoning case

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because it's consistent with the with Dent Plan 2030 as

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well as it does

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encourage that infill development but at a scale that's

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compatible with the

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surrounding zoning and development pattern. Do y'all have

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any questions on the zoning?

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Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. On

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the availability given an overlay if we want to I can't

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remember and we've had

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in a couple things in the past we're doing rezoning or

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during the zoning

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process I can't remember if our NRMU 12 were allowed to say

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we want to put an overlay on this

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saying you can't use this certain usage and requirement for

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foliage and

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everything else on there. Can we do that NRMU 12? I do

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believe the residential

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mixed-use protection overlay does apply to the NRMU 12

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zoning district because

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this is in let me get my code just to verify. I seem to

537
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always be wrong when I

538
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:53,400
try to quote it from memory so it's best just to check.

539
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,569
Yes that would that residential the mixed-use residential

540
00:26:07,569 --> 00:26:12,440
protection overlay

541
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,000
would be applicable in this instance. Yes sir. Do we have a

542
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,920
timeline on they're

543
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:19,920
saying it's a primary that said you said primary or

544
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,559
secondary arterial? Secondary.

545
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:23,559
Is there a timeline on four-lane expansion? I talked to

546
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:29,440
engineering and I

547
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,839
don't believe any any improvements for that entire segment

548
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:35,319
of the road is are

549
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:39,509
imminent but with the development they would be required to

550
00:26:39,509 --> 00:26:40,079
at least do things

551
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,869
like put in sidewalks. The so the question I was gonna have

552
00:26:42,869 --> 00:26:43,519
next was then

553
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,849
that next door location is I think it's Primrose it's a

554
00:26:46,849 --> 00:26:48,839
senior center community

555
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,420
you they if you you can't see it on that picture if you

556
00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:54,039
zoom in on that in their

557
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:56,200
entrance right next to which obviously that's a multifamily

558
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,480
development that

559
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,910
entrance there has the I don't know what you call them and

560
00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:02,000
I'm not the engineer

561
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,900
they have the breakaway where you can turn in right so you

562
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:06,000
can you can if

563
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,960
they're turning into the development they can divert away

564
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,920
from the through

565
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,210
traffic to turn into the development. Is there a way or

566
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:15,799
anything we can do to be

567
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,400
able to make sure that gets done during this process if it

568
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,160
's something like

569
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,430
we're not gonna expand mingo yet we have no plans for it.

570
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:24,000
Is there a way for us as

571
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,819
a planning is under commission be able to make that a

572
00:27:25,819 --> 00:27:26,759
requirement you feel like

573
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:29,740
it's necessary? That is typically something that's looked

574
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:31,119
at at the

575
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,640
platting phase and that is determined on on the

576
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,680
infrastructure available and the

577
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:44,410
trips generation generated by the use. I'm not sure. I just

578
00:27:44,410 --> 00:27:45,519
want and you can see

579
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,849
on the neighborhood ride-ins that there's a lot of folks

580
00:27:48,849 --> 00:27:49,319
are worried about

581
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,680
traffic and she will say that you know we're there's gonna

582
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,599
be the ability for

583
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,950
us to say you have to have that diversion off of the 33

584
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:57,799
traffic so the

585
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,089
people going into the apartment complex get out of the way

586
00:28:00,089 --> 00:28:00,759
everyone is just

587
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:04,019
trying to drive down mingo makes easier for us but that

588
00:28:04,019 --> 00:28:06,799
works thank you.

589
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,049
You know the only question I have is we have a number of

590
00:28:11,049 --> 00:28:13,599
cards in opposition but

591
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:18,279
on the notification map there's nothing on our backup. Will

592
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:19,160
we be able to get

593
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,319
those posted before meeting or during meeting presentation?

594
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,579
I have I have them

595
00:28:23,579 --> 00:28:28,650
map on on the presentation so I'll that will hopefully

596
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:30,200
illustrate where that

597
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,809
opposition is. So we'll look at the specific use permit

598
00:28:35,809 --> 00:28:36,720
next and what

599
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,039
they're proposing so they're proposing 48 two-bedroom units

600
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:41,440
with outdoor

601
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,069
recreation space. Two-story buildings is the maximum they

602
00:28:46,069 --> 00:28:47,599
're proposing. They're

603
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,180
also they're also site plan reflects that the that the

604
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:52,319
buildings are set back

605
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,500
from the residential so you could see in this location here

606
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:56,319
and in this location

607
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,920
here those buildings are set back from those residential

608
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,359
areas. They will also

609
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,349
have to meet all landscape buffer requirements and street

610
00:29:03,349 --> 00:29:03,640
tree

611
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,799
requirements along bingo and their buildings are proposed

612
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:07,640
to have masonry

613
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,119
and stone accents and here are the conceptual elevations of

614
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:13,759
their of their

615
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:18,880
proposed multi-family this this would face mingo and then

616
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,720
and then there would

617
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,849
be stairs and entry from the rear. The criteria for

618
00:29:23,849 --> 00:29:25,920
approval for a specific use

619
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,920
permit is essentially a compatibility analysis to to ensure

620
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,119
that the proposed

621
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:37,740
use conforms to and is is fits in within the area and the

622
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:38,559
character of the area

623
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:44,039
that it is proposed to go. We look at whether the use would

624
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,519
impede the orderly

625
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,210
development of the surrounding property. We look at the

626
00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:49,400
parking the generation of

627
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,589
traffic and access. We look at nuisance prevention whether

628
00:29:53,589 --> 00:29:54,200
there's adequate

629
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,490
landscaping and screening and whether the the buildings are

630
00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:57,240
architecturally

631
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,819
compatible with the surrounding area. So we looked at what

632
00:30:00,819 --> 00:30:02,000
they're proposing

633
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240
staff. Staff determined that they are consistent with the

634
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,759
Denton plan 2030.

635
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,609
First of all it's consistent with the future land use

636
00:30:09,609 --> 00:30:10,960
element because it does

637
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,230
provide that that housing to accommodate the the increase

638
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:16,720
in student population

639
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,339
as well as the population within the city of Denton and it

640
00:30:20,339 --> 00:30:21,359
also meets the

641
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:24,940
goal to develop our infill sites to to to grow our in

642
00:30:24,940 --> 00:30:26,559
interior of our city as

643
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,819
well as is our our areas outside and on the fringe of our

644
00:30:30,819 --> 00:30:32,759
city. It provides in

645
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:36,819
the needed housing near the TWU campus. There would not be

646
00:30:36,819 --> 00:30:38,079
any direct vehicular

647
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,059
access to adjacent neighborhoods so the traffic impacts

648
00:30:41,059 --> 00:30:42,240
within those adjacent

649
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,279
neighborhoods would be minimal as a result of this request.

650
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:48,640
It is on a DCTA

651
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,000
connect route. Commissioner Beck. Concerned thank you chair

652
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,799
concerning that one

653
00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:00,640
issue now will DCA DCTA be obligated to create some kind of

654
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,640
offset when they

655
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,869
stop their bus are they gonna do we know if they're gonna

656
00:31:04,869 --> 00:31:06,059
put a bus stop right

657
00:31:06,059 --> 00:31:10,759
there well if you will be the bus stop is actually it's it

658
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,420
's on the adjacent

659
00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:18,559
property but so the DCTA stop is okay it's about in this

660
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,359
location so when when

661
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,319
the sidewalks are are constructed it will connect this and

662
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:25,599
then it will allow

663
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:30,349
residents to win the sidewalk so the developer be doing the

664
00:31:30,349 --> 00:31:30,920
sidewalks in

665
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,809
front of their development but we won't have it do we have

666
00:31:34,809 --> 00:31:36,279
sidewalk down from

667
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:42,400
the Primrose area do we okay okay so there will be sidewalk

668
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,200
then all the way

669
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,920
that was yes I'm good thank you

670
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,279
they're proposing only two-story buildings with increased

671
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:53,319
side side setbacks

672
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,619
to ensure compatibility with the nearby residential

673
00:31:56,619 --> 00:31:58,220
properties and they must

674
00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:01,009
also meet all dent development code requirements for things

675
00:32:01,009 --> 00:32:01,759
like screening

676
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,240
parking lot screening lighting street trees and tree canopy

677
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,119
so all of those

678
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,890
requirements would have to be met public notification was

679
00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:12,799
sent out and we

680
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:19,359
we sent 26 200 foot notices and 73 500 foot notices we've

681
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:20,240
received four in

682
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,500
opposition within the 200 foot boundary so we've received

683
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:24,680
opposition from these

684
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,890
property owners and then one in favor the opposition we've

685
00:32:27,890 --> 00:32:29,720
received is 6% we

686
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,880
did the calculation earlier today staff does propose

687
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,839
conditions on the approval

688
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,259
that it must that a full site plan must be submitted to the

689
00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:41,400
city and reviewed

690
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,029
for compliance with dent development code requirements and

691
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:46,480
we recommend the

692
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,740
approval of the request because it's consistent with the

693
00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:50,359
dent development I'm

694
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:52,660
sorry the dent and plan 2030 not only in terms of the

695
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:53,880
future land use but also in

696
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,460
terms of infill development and then it would provide

697
00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:57,839
moderate density housing

698
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:02,019
designed to minimize impacts on the nearby single-family

699
00:33:02,019 --> 00:33:03,079
homes and I will

700
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:07,710
stand for any questions Commissioner Roselle on a slide

701
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:08,440
previously you said

702
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,759
that they're proposing two-story buildings are it doesn't

703
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:13,839
sound like

704
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,309
there's a condition to be held to these elevations could

705
00:33:17,309 --> 00:33:18,880
they after we approve

706
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:25,539
an SUP build within the MRM MRMU 12 height they're not

707
00:33:25,539 --> 00:33:26,680
being held to these

708
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,460
today no it is a condition that could be placed on it but

709
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:31,880
no they're not they

710
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,759
would have to meet the NRMU 12 this is just speculation or

711
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:37,079
hypothetical this

712
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:41,000
two-story building option okay

713
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:48,609
Commissioner Sullivan the same ones but drainage was an

714
00:33:48,609 --> 00:33:50,680
issue I'm assuming that

715
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,059
this is all going to drain away from the existing

716
00:33:54,059 --> 00:33:56,079
homeowners is that just to make

717
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,279
sure that they're covered they will have to meet all

718
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:59,559
requirements for drainage

719
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,289
and that that includes not impacting your adjacent

720
00:34:02,289 --> 00:34:04,240
properties so I'm currently

721
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920
they're proposing to actually provide detention in this

722
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,199
area to to increase

723
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,869
the separation between the multifamily use and the single-

724
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:13,679
family residential

725
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:19,039
development Commissioner Sanchez just out of curiosity it's

726
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:19,519
a neighborhood

727
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,280
university compatibility so you're looking that probably

728
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,039
students will

729
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,610
probably use that quite a bit the population will probably

730
00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:27,280
primarily be

731
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,730
students is there any way the distance of discussing and I

732
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:32,440
don't know if that

733
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,550
would even be possible a bike trail or something to help

734
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:39,400
students get to the

735
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,119
university because I a lot of students when they when they

736
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:44,039
're that close they're

737
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:48,039
gonna ride their bikes and and mingle is a very dangerous

738
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:48,960
especially if you're

739
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,440
gonna have students riding bikes up and down mingle as

740
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,400
narrow as it is I mean is

741
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,030
there something that can be done for something like that I

742
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:58,039
'm it's certainly

743
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,199
certainly something we could look at and we could look at

744
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:02,440
that bike look at the

745
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,989
bike plan and see what what what future infrastructure is

746
00:35:06,989 --> 00:35:08,480
proposed for mingle

747
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,119
road that was something that staff looked at because there

748
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:12,920
are some some

749
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,130
gaps in the pedestrian facilities in this area and I

750
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:17,440
measured it and it is

751
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,610
about a mile walk from this property to the university when

752
00:35:22,610 --> 00:35:24,159
you kind of one or

753
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:29,210
weave through the street so it's about a mile walk that's

754
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:32,159
why the DCT a bus stop

755
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:35,880
factored so much into our analysis because we wanted to see

756
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,920
where that went

757
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,119
and if that would provide an alternative transportation for

758
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:41,280
those for those

759
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,210
students so so yes it right now I don't think there are any

760
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:46,119
additional

761
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:50,590
improvements contemplated for the the length of mingle row

762
00:35:50,590 --> 00:35:51,360
but I know it's

763
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,860
something that is in our bike plan to to more fully

764
00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:58,480
complete our bike paths and

765
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,650
then and then but to provide that DCTA will at least

766
00:36:01,650 --> 00:36:03,159
provide an alternate mode

767
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:06,070
of transportation for those students commissioner Smith

768
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:07,079
thank you chair

769
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,420
was the athlete could be present tonight do you know he is

770
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:12,599
here good perfect and

771
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,769
then the can you expound upon the landscape buffer

772
00:36:15,769 --> 00:36:16,239
requirements you

773
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,239
mentioned a second ago what are those you said they they

774
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,800
have to you know they

775
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,679
have to abide by it but what are they exactly so the

776
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,679
landscape buffer is a

777
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,599
is a type B buffer which is a 10-foot buffer requiring five

778
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:38,800
evergreen and

779
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,630
deciduous trees and 30 shrubs per 100 linear feet so that's

780
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:43,239
a typical

781
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,489
10 feet high 10 feet away from building 10 feet from the

782
00:36:47,489 --> 00:36:49,639
property line back

783
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,269
toward the buildings the proposed buildings and it would

784
00:36:53,269 --> 00:36:53,800
have to be

785
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,280
maintained by the property no height no higher requirement

786
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,679
like that just

787
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,840
commissioner Sullivan so the DCTA is is really servicing

788
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,719
the say that was a

789
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,800
senior citizen area yes to the south I guess or west or

790
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,760
wherever no plans for

791
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,079
DCTA to have student services I mean if that's gonna be for

792
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,360
student housing see

793
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,960
I mean I don't know how far a walk that is from that

794
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,000
location down to the other

795
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,760
location but I'm just wondering I don't know what their

796
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,880
separation is for their

797
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,869
stops I don't know if they have a metric that they use to

798
00:37:35,869 --> 00:37:36,880
separate for their

799
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,050
stops but if you look at the route that route four takes it

800
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:41,079
actually goes to the

801
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:45,380
TWU area so it really it really includes that entire

802
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:47,639
section of town and then and

803
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,559
then it goes toward that deep TWU area okay thank you

804
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:56,920
Commissioner Sanchez you have a lot of old oak trees there

805
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,400
probably what I could

806
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,300
see from the road there was I could see five or six really

807
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:02,440
old but I would call

808
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,800
old old growth and it looks like they're gonna maintain

809
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,599
them is that is that

810
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,579
correct what I can see there are some existing trees now if

811
00:38:11,579 --> 00:38:12,519
they cut any of

812
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:17,610
those what I call old growth what what do they have to do

813
00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:18,639
to replace that or

814
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,400
what's the mitigation for that they would have to meet all

815
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,400
tree preservation

816
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,869
requirements so on any given site there is a certain

817
00:38:25,869 --> 00:38:27,559
percentage that they have

818
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,349
to that they have to maintain and then any anything that

819
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:33,440
they cut down that is

820
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,739
anything that they cut down between what they have to

821
00:38:37,739 --> 00:38:39,920
maintain and and what

822
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,300
they're proposing they would then have to mitigate for

823
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:43,239
either by planting on

824
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,449
site or by paying I believe it's a hundred and twenty a

825
00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:47,519
hundred and twenty

826
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:50,679
five dollars per caliber inch that they cut down so they

827
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:51,519
would either have to

828
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:54,320
pay into the tree fund or they would have to plant on site

829
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,119
I believe they are

830
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,960
citing their building to maintain some of those existing

831
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,960
trees because they

832
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:07,599
are nice beautiful trees on the site beautiful post-office

833
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:07,639
yeah

834
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,159
Commissioner Beck thank you chair some of my questions I'm

835
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:14,480
gonna direct at the

836
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,739
developer when he comes in but just maybe one you can

837
00:39:17,739 --> 00:39:19,320
answer this open space

838
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,760
view up near the north side you've got open space in the

839
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,239
two corners there is

840
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,110
that a fixed condition or is it subject to some development

841
00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:31,400
in the future well

842
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,380
forty eight so it's four acres and they are proposing NRMU

843
00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:37,320
12 which is a maximum

844
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,920
density of 12 dwelling units per acre so the maximum number

845
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,079
of apartments that

846
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,820
they can put on the side are 48 so they've maxed out what

847
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:46,320
they can this plan

848
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,570
maxes out their density so any additional density or

849
00:39:50,570 --> 00:39:53,480
anything would have to pursue

850
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,150
a rezoning okay okay we've mentioned how this is gonna

851
00:39:58,150 --> 00:40:00,400
appeal to the students so

852
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,309
I'm gonna assume that these are not necessary family-

853
00:40:03,309 --> 00:40:04,400
friendly apartments

854
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,980
that this are we talking about possible SROs here which I

855
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:09,039
don't have a problem

856
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,289
this is a good place for you know we always talked about

857
00:40:11,289 --> 00:40:12,059
where you got to put

858
00:40:12,059 --> 00:40:14,960
those there but this is a good place for it but just just

859
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,739
out of curiosity and I

860
00:40:16,739 --> 00:40:19,679
could probably ask the developer this later would it be

861
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:20,719
better for okay one

862
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,300
last thing again on your site plan here where it talks

863
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:25,760
about proposed attention

864
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,789
on the backside of the East units so that's going to gather

865
00:40:29,789 --> 00:40:30,719
water pretty much

866
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:39,760
for the most of the area or just on that side drainage will

867
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,090
drainage from that detention pond I'm assuming will go

868
00:40:43,090 --> 00:40:44,679
towards Mingo they'll

869
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,550
have to make sure that they drain it in accordance with our

870
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:48,719
our requirements and

871
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,929
that will this is conceptual at this point they'll they'll

872
00:40:51,929 --> 00:40:52,800
have to ensure

873
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,400
that all those calculations and all their drainage is not

874
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,599
negatively impacting

875
00:40:56,599 --> 00:41:04,199
those adjacent property okay good just some comments in

876
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:05,679
relation to what you

877
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,960
know some of the other commissioners stated to on the road

878
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,719
that is an issue

879
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,519
and just for the record wanted to throw out some

880
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:14,800
suggestions that part of Mingo

881
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,570
there is on a curvature or if you're coming from northeast

882
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:23,639
heading southwest

883
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,829
yeah you're not going to see as much ahead of you at this

884
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:28,639
point with those

885
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,880
apartments or the means of ingress and as you would if you

886
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,679
were coming from

887
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:39,719
the square so we need to do some cautionary things there

888
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,480
and I'm thinking

889
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,210
maybe without a lot of expense a flashing yellow light and

890
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:47,039
some warning signs that

891
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:50,400
you're coming up on an intersection that could be a

892
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,039
possible problem which they

893
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,309
definitely go the other thing would be when coming out of

894
00:41:57,309 --> 00:41:58,719
the apartments the

895
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,880
problem if somebody's barreling down Mingo 50 miles an hour

896
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,320
heading towards

897
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,280
the square and then someone just casually pulls out of the

898
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,000
apartments it seems

899
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,840
like and I don't know if this had fallen a developer of the

900
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,079
city when they when

901
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:14,659
they do their streets but if we could have a merging line

902
00:42:14,659 --> 00:42:15,760
as they pull out

903
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,130
where it wouldn't be a part of Mingo until about maybe 100

904
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:22,119
200 feet up the

905
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:26,619
road just again just a thought to throw out there for the

906
00:42:26,619 --> 00:42:27,400
city and in the

907
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,480
developer because this is going to be an issue that if we

908
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,000
're dealing with

909
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,440
students especially and I've seen people come down Mingo

910
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,679
you know help scalpers

911
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:40,389
so just something to throw out there for consideration

912
00:42:40,389 --> 00:42:41,280
thank you

913
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,400
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair okay on that same note

914
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,760
you talk about the

915
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,929
developers required to do street improvement so you've

916
00:42:49,929 --> 00:42:51,000
mentioned sidewalks

917
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,320
is there anything else required so I know Commissioner

918
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Smith mentioned the

919
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,739
deaccelerator deacceleration lane obviously that's not a

920
00:42:58,739 --> 00:43:00,280
required thing

921
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,079
it could be a plating it could be a plating it hasn't

922
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:05,159
gotten that far in

923
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,449
the in the assessment of the infrastructure needs of the

924
00:43:08,449 --> 00:43:08,880
area in

925
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,579
relationship to the use so as it moves forward our traffic

926
00:43:13,579 --> 00:43:14,400
engineers our

927
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:20,030
engineering department will review this and and and look at

928
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:21,280
the information that

929
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,710
the applicant provides and determine what what

930
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:25,239
infrastructure requirements

931
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,659
would be required on Mingo Road if additional improvements

932
00:43:28,659 --> 00:43:29,199
would be

933
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:33,079
required something like turn lanes or or right turn lanes

934
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:33,719
so okay so that's an

935
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,440
engineering discussion and decision I'm sorry that's an

936
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,400
engineering discussion

937
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:46,119
and decision typically there yes okay thanks any other

938
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,760
questions on the SUP

939
00:43:52,760 --> 00:44:03,489
thank you Julie we'll wrap up our work session so at 550 I

940
00:44:03,489 --> 00:44:04,800
'll close our work

941
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,519
session and we'll reconvene in council chambers at 630

942
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:16,760
thank you good evening

943
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,739
and welcome to the city of Denton planning and zoning

944
00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:19,599
Commission meeting

945
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:24,960
for December the 13th 2017 this meeting has been duly

946
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,079
posted and we do have a

947
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:30,260
quorum present and I will call us to order at 630 and our

948
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:30,880
first order of

949
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,949
business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and

950
00:44:34,949 --> 00:44:36,119
the Texas flag

951
00:44:49,599 --> 00:45:18,099
I will take us to our agenda item number two and chair

952
00:45:18,099 --> 00:45:19,079
would entertain a motion

953
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:25,849
for our minutes Commissioner Smith okay Commissioner Ellis

954
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:27,760
second okay we have a

955
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,639
first and a second for approval any comments or questions

956
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:35,280
seeing none I'll

957
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,199
call for a vote on board

958
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:58,969
motion is going to carry five to zero with two abstain that

959
00:45:58,969 --> 00:46:00,480
will take us to

960
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,130
our consent agenda we do have one item item D which is FP

961
00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:08,159
17 - 0 0 3 1 that's

962
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,329
going to move down to our items for individual

963
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:12,840
consideration and it will

964
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:21,539
become item 4 C so our consent agenda will be items a B and

965
00:46:21,539 --> 00:46:21,800
C

966
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,679
Commissioner Rizel I move to approve the consent agenda

967
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:29,840
okay Commissioner Smith

968
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,159
I second that motion okay we have a first and a second for

969
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:35,079
approval any

970
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:41,730
discussion or questions seeing none I'll call for a vote on

971
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:42,480
board

972
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,949
motion is going to carry seven to zero we'll move us to our

973
00:47:03,949 --> 00:47:05,280
items for individual

974
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:14,780
consideration item a will be our calendar 2018 I assume we

975
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:15,840
don't have any

976
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,530
presentation on this no no what I'll just give just for

977
00:47:20,530 --> 00:47:21,519
just to put on the

978
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:25,460
record and for those watching we typically meet second and

979
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:27,000
fourth Tuesday

980
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,309
I'm sorry Wednesday of each month for the for the months of

981
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:32,519
February and March

982
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:36,650
they'll be the first and third Wednesday this is a to it to

983
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:37,760
address the conflict

984
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,559
with with spring break making sure we have a quorum okay

985
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,920
great thank you for

986
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,579
the clarification on the calendar Commissioner Ellis thank

987
00:47:47,579 --> 00:47:48,360
you chair I

988
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,960
will move to approve the 2018 planning and zoning

989
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,519
Commission calendar great

990
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,909
Commissioner Sullivan second that motion okay we have a

991
00:47:55,909 --> 00:47:57,239
first and a second for

992
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:03,480
approval any discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote

993
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:10,360
on board that

994
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,920
motion carries seven zero that will move us to item B

995
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,719
should be SP 17 - 0053

996
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,760
and call on Haley for presentation

997
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:32,610
good evening this is a site plan for two multi-tenant

998
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:36,599
retail buildings and the

999
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,409
razor ranch development so the request is for approval of a

1000
00:48:40,409 --> 00:48:41,559
site plan for two

1001
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:44,179
multi-tenant buildings that would be constructed and within

1002
00:48:44,179 --> 00:48:44,920
the South RR to

1003
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,760
district on lot 6r and 7r the properties outlined on the

1004
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,960
map in yellow it's

1005
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,429
approximately three acres comprised of two lots located at

1006
00:48:54,429 --> 00:48:55,719
the southwest corner

1007
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,210
of a University Drive and Heritage Trail intersection as I

1008
00:49:00,210 --> 00:49:01,800
mentioned before it is

1009
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,849
within the South RR to district of the razor ranch overlay

1010
00:49:06,849 --> 00:49:08,440
site plans for

1011
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,380
properties within this district are subject to the

1012
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:11,480
architecture and landscape

1013
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,269
standards that are outlined in exhibit C 1 and D 1 of the

1014
00:49:14,269 --> 00:49:16,280
overlay district each

1015
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,130
site plan is required to include the following items the

1016
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:19,880
site plan the

1017
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,030
landscape plan and the building elevations the razor ranch

1018
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:24,719
overlay

1019
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,889
outlines the criteria for approval so a P&Z the P&Z will

1020
00:49:27,889 --> 00:49:29,119
approve the site plan

1021
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,019
if it substantially complies with the concept and schematic

1022
00:49:32,019 --> 00:49:32,719
plan that was

1023
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,380
approved by council for the overlay if it provides for a

1024
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:36,719
compatible arrangement

1025
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,860
of buildings and uses it wouldn't adversely affect any

1026
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:39,719
properties outside

1027
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,889
the overlay if it provides for safe and adequate

1028
00:49:42,889 --> 00:49:44,559
circulation of vehicular traffic

1029
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,550
and if it complies with all the standards outlined in the

1030
00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:49,199
overlay to look

1031
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:51,570
at this in a little more detail you see here it is two

1032
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:52,619
separate lots as I

1033
00:49:52,619 --> 00:49:57,699
indicated lot 6r is building with total about 8800 square

1034
00:49:57,699 --> 00:49:59,079
feet and then lot 7r

1035
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,880
about 8700 square feet so just over 17,000 square feet

1036
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,519
total both buildings

1037
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:09,079
would be for mixed retail and commercial uses approximately

1038
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:10,000
three tenants per

1039
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,190
building a total of 108 parking spaces is required for

1040
00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:15,320
these because there's

1041
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,530
no parking maximum within razor ranch they're proposing 132

1042
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:20,480
spaces and access

1043
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,210
to the site would come from an internal north-south and an

1044
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:24,239
internal east-west

1045
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,460
drive no direct access off of University or Heritage Trail

1046
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:30,039
for these buildings

1047
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:34,750
looking at the landscape plan a total of 29% landscaping 37

1048
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:35,760
% tree canopy on the

1049
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,920
site the area in light green is existing landscaping that's

1050
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,800
already installed

1051
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,550
along University and Heritage Trail that will all be

1052
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:45,000
maintained to provide the

1053
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,739
parking lot screening and consistency of street trees and

1054
00:50:47,739 --> 00:50:48,920
site design across the

1055
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,340
frontage of the property the darker green color is all the

1056
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:53,199
new landscaping

1057
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,449
that would be provided internal to the parking lot and

1058
00:50:55,449 --> 00:50:57,280
around the buildings the

1059
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,369
area in blue is the plaza area so just over 2,000 square

1060
00:51:00,369 --> 00:51:01,480
feet of common area

1061
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,309
for pedestrians that will include some trees and some

1062
00:51:05,309 --> 00:51:07,659
shaded seating look at the

1063
00:51:07,659 --> 00:51:12,639
building elevations for lot 6r mixture of materials stone

1064
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:13,960
if is with neutral

1065
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,829
color palette as called for by the overlay lot 7r very

1066
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:19,300
similar in style to

1067
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:24,539
6r staff is recommending approval of the site plan we found

1068
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:25,239
it to be compliant

1069
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,409
with all the regulations within the razor-grab wrench

1070
00:51:28,409 --> 00:51:28,719
overlay district and

1071
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,199
the criteria for approval and I can stand for any questions

1072
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:33,360
commissioner back

1073
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,550
thank you chair Haley on the parking issue they it's a

1074
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:37,920
hundred and eight

1075
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,519
minimum they requested 24 more which we're always concerned

1076
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:42,400
about all the

1077
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,119
parking that's created and then never used can you go back

1078
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:45,880
to the site plan

1079
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,909
and were these 24 extra parking spaces going in a specific

1080
00:51:49,909 --> 00:51:50,599
area are they

1081
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,690
evenly dispersed throughout no that would just be dispersed

1082
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:54,639
across both lots

1083
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:59,480
and there is a landscaping requirement for internal parking

1084
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,239
lot islands the

1085
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,409
equivalent of every 15 spaces so adequate landscaping to

1086
00:52:03,409 --> 00:52:04,920
shade and help

1087
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:12,159
control stormwater in the parking lot okay thank you you

1088
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:13,079
said it was mr.

1089
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:18,789
Sanchez we have a 37% territory canopy you said yes what's

1090
00:52:18,789 --> 00:52:19,559
the maximum that

1091
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:23,030
you can go if you can you go more than 37% or and what's a

1092
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:24,159
maximum minimum is

1093
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:29,519
there okay is that something that's set who sets that for

1094
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:32,599
any building site well

1095
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,260
within the overlay each each parcels required to have that

1096
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:36,280
20% so overall

1097
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,139
this site is providing a 17% extra tree canopy above what

1098
00:52:40,139 --> 00:52:41,519
is required okay that's

1099
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:51,090
minimum okay any other questions for Haley thank you this

1100
00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:52,920
is a item for

1101
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,300
individual consideration it's not a public hearing but

1102
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:56,000
there if there is

1103
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,110
anyone who would like to speak on this item or the

1104
00:52:58,110 --> 00:52:59,480
applicant please come forward

1105
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:06,530
at this time seeing none the chair would entertain a motion

1106
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:07,739
or open the floor for

1107
00:53:07,739 --> 00:53:12,260
discussion Commissioner Smith a motion to approve SP 17 - 0

1108
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:14,000
0 5 3

1109
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,389
Commissioner Sullivan second the motion we have a first and

1110
00:53:17,389 --> 00:53:18,079
a second for

1111
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:24,920
approval any discussion seeing none call for a vote on

1112
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:31,599
board that motion is going

1113
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:38,480
to carry 7-0 we'll move us to item 4 C I have a conflict of

1114
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,079
interest on this

1115
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:41,780
property I have a partnership interest in this particular

1116
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:42,679
project and so I'm

1117
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:45,690
going to recuse myself and I'll turn it over to vice chair

1118
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:47,559
Roselle thank you

1119
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:49,559
chair

1120
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:59,170
for item 4 C on FP 17 0 0 3 I'll call Julie Wyatt

1121
00:53:59,170 --> 00:54:04,599
presentation good evening

1122
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:08,809
I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of Denton and

1123
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:16,679
I am presenting a

1124
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:22,170
final plot for consideration Evers way typically these are

1125
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:23,039
seen on the consent

1126
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:26,619
agenda however due to some condition conditions that staff

1127
00:54:26,619 --> 00:54:27,320
is recommending

1128
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,059
this has been moved to the individual consideration it is a

1129
00:54:32,059 --> 00:54:33,400
final plot that

1130
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,119
it's in conformance with the preliminary plot that was

1131
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:37,360
approved in September of

1132
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,619
this year there are three conditions that staff is

1133
00:54:40,619 --> 00:54:42,960
recommending first that

1134
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,909
civil engine civil engineering construction plans for West

1135
00:54:45,909 --> 00:54:46,679
Hercules Lane

1136
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:49,159
and all public infrastructure necessary to serve the

1137
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:50,519
proposed development must

1138
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:54,659
be approved prior to the prior approved before the plat is

1139
00:54:54,659 --> 00:54:56,360
filed if any utility

1140
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,289
easement locations need to be modified as a result of the

1141
00:54:59,289 --> 00:55:00,000
final civil

1142
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,559
engineering plans DRC approval shall be required so staff

1143
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:05,480
level approval would

1144
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,849
be required a text-up permit would be to allow access and

1145
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:12,119
improvements to North

1146
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:16,019
Locust Street must be obtained before prior to the plat

1147
00:55:16,019 --> 00:55:17,920
filing and also a

1148
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,179
traffic impact analysis must be approved before the plat is

1149
00:55:21,179 --> 00:55:22,239
filed that traffic

1150
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,650
impact analysis has been submitted to the city and is

1151
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:25,800
currently under review

1152
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,719
so I'll stand for any questions we do have one Commissioner

1153
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:30,199
Smith thank you

1154
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:34,760
vice chair Julia the applicant been agreeable to the

1155
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,519
conditions proposed

1156
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:44,960
they've been discussed with an agreeable to yes no other

1157
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,480
questions so just for

1158
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,570
clarification in your agenda this is item 3d it's been

1159
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:52,400
moved to individual

1160
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,960
consideration and now 4c it's FP 1700 31 it's not a public

1161
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,000
hearing but you're

1162
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,239
more than welcome to speak if anyone wants to speak on this

1163
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:02,840
you can step

1164
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:08,320
forward see none the vice chair will open this for a

1165
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,519
discussion and or motion

1166
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:14,880
looks like we have a motion by Commissioner Smith motion to

1167
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,039
approve SP

1168
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:21,179
FP 17 - 3 0 0 3 1 with the acceptance of city staffs

1169
00:56:21,179 --> 00:56:23,199
conditions Commissioner

1170
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,440
Sullivan I second that motion seven a first and the second

1171
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,679
vote on the board

1172
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:46,489
motion passes six to zero with one recusal that's it for

1173
00:56:46,489 --> 00:56:47,440
the individual

1174
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,039
consideration we'll call the chair back in for the public

1175
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:51,639
hearing

1176
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,570
that will move us on to our public hearing section this

1177
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:11,159
evening I'm going

1178
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:16,920
to open the public hearing for Z 17 - 0 0 2 6 and I believe

1179
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,199
this item is going to

1180
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:22,360
be continued the chair would entertain a motion for a date

1181
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,320
certain of January

1182
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,480
24th Commissioner Roselle I move to postpone agenda items Z

1183
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,039
17 00 26 to a

1184
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:35,840
date certain of January 24th 2018 okay Commissioner Smith

1185
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,559
second that motion

1186
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:40,349
okay we have a first and a second to continue to a date

1187
00:57:40,349 --> 00:57:41,320
certain and we will

1188
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,639
leave this item open so it will not have to be renoticed

1189
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,400
any further discussion

1190
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:53,440
on this item seeing none call for a vote on board

1191
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:04,699
motion is going to carry seven to zero our item B has been

1192
00:58:04,699 --> 00:58:06,480
withdrawn our item

1193
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:12,719
C has been withdrawn our item D has been withdrawn and that

1194
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:13,760
will move us to our

1195
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,679
item E and I'll call on Julie Wyatt and I will open the

1196
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:20,719
public hearing for FR 17

1197
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:25,679
- 0 0 2 0 B

1198
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:34,050
this is a public hearing for a final replat of previously

1199
00:58:34,050 --> 00:58:36,800
platted property

1200
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,570
the subject property is located in our downtown area on

1201
00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:42,119
south of East Hickory

1202
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:45,590
Street is intended to facilitate the redevelopment of a

1203
00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:46,760
couple of the lots

1204
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,460
on the property that the applicant is here if you have any

1205
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:50,519
questions and I'll

1206
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:53,559
stand for any questions as well

1207
00:58:53,719 --> 00:59:00,239
any questions for Julie thank you Julie thank you this is a

1208
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:01,119
public hearing

1209
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:03,699
anyone that would like to speak on this item please come

1210
00:59:03,699 --> 00:59:05,000
forward at this time I

1211
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,840
do not have any cards requesting to speak

1212
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:15,010
again this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak on

1213
00:59:15,010 --> 00:59:18,159
this item seeing

1214
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:21,369
none close the public hearing and open the floor for

1215
00:59:21,369 --> 00:59:23,639
discussion or emotion

1216
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:31,800
Commissioner Beck moved to approve FR 17 0 0 2 0 B okay

1217
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,840
Commissioner Smith

1218
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,010
second that motion okay we have a first and a second for

1219
00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:37,760
approval any further

1220
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:45,480
discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board

1221
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:58,199
motions going to carry seven zero we'll move us to item F

1222
00:59:58,199 --> 00:59:59,559
open the public

1223
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:06,300
hearing for Z 17 - 0 0 1 2 we'll call on Julie white for

1224
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,800
presentation

1225
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:15,000
all right good evening

1226
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,409
Julie before you get started are you going to present both

1227
01:00:23,409 --> 01:00:24,719
of these items at

1228
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:28,409
this in the SCP and then we'll just do separate votes are

1229
01:00:28,409 --> 01:00:29,800
we open them yes sir

1230
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,380
yes sir so this is there are two separate items we're gonna

1231
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:34,199
go over but

1232
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:38,230
we'll do one presentation just in interest of time and then

1233
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:40,000
and then there

1234
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,579
will have to be two separate votes it is because it's all

1235
01:00:43,579 --> 01:00:44,800
one project so that's

1236
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,820
why we're gonna take it at the same time so right now we're

1237
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:49,440
gonna go over Z 17

1238
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,920
12 and s 17 6 the mingo road apartments so as you stated

1239
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,119
there are two requests

1240
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:59,769
first there is a rezoning the applicant is proposing to re

1241
01:00:59,769 --> 01:01:01,039
zone the property from

1242
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:03,889
neighborhood residential 3 to neighborhood residential

1243
01:01:03,889 --> 01:01:05,079
mixed-use 12

1244
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:09,340
they're also requesting a specific use permit to allow a

1245
01:01:09,340 --> 01:01:10,400
multifamily

1246
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,590
residential use the subject property is an approximately a

1247
01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:15,320
four acre tract

1248
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,179
located on the north side of mingo road about 150 feet

1249
01:01:20,179 --> 01:01:22,280
southwest of Boyd Street

1250
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,340
this is within the vicinity of the TWU campus you can

1251
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:28,280
probably see the TWU golf

1252
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:33,760
courses in this location here so on the left here we've got

1253
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,920
what the existing

1254
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,420
zoning is at the subject property does have an NR 3 zoning

1255
01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:39,440
district they are

1256
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,250
proposing to rezone to NRM U 12 which would extend that

1257
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:46,119
existing NRM U 12 to

1258
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,840
the west of this that's located west of the subject

1259
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,519
property the criteria for

1260
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,500
approval for rezoning or in is in subchapter 3 of the Dent

1261
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:55,239
on Development

1262
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:58,750
Code first is the use does the proposed zoning district

1263
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:59,679
conform to the future

1264
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:03,170
land use element of the Denton plan 2030 and then second

1265
01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:04,420
does it facilitate the

1266
01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:08,610
adequate provision of public infrastructure so we'll take

1267
01:02:08,610 --> 01:02:09,340
the future

1268
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:13,039
land use element first per the Denton plan 2030 the future

1269
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:14,320
land use designation

1270
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,480
of the property is neighborhood university compatibility

1271
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:18,360
the intent of

1272
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,590
this area is to provide compatible housing and service and

1273
01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:23,519
services that

1274
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:26,690
serve both the both of our universities as well as the

1275
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:27,679
surrounding neighborhood

1276
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:31,360
so if you look at the enrollment the current enrollment

1277
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,760
plus the enrollment

1278
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,119
projections of our of our universities within the city of

1279
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:38,079
Denton there is how

1280
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,309
their housing needs to accommodate that and and so this

1281
01:02:41,309 --> 01:02:42,780
neighborhood university

1282
01:02:42,780 --> 01:02:47,579
compatibility area is intended to accommodate that and try

1283
01:02:47,579 --> 01:02:48,480
to provide

1284
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,159
compatible forms and uses not only to provide for that

1285
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:53,880
additional housing but

1286
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,639
also so that integrates well within those surrounding

1287
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,320
neighborhoods staff

1288
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,150
looked at the neighborhood university compatibility area

1289
01:03:01,150 --> 01:03:02,159
and determined that

1290
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:05,920
NRMU 12 is appropriate for this future land use designation

1291
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:06,800
because it does

1292
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,820
both of those both of the housing and then also provides

1293
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:10,679
some small-scale

1294
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:16,170
commercial uses which could provide services for those

1295
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:19,480
populations the code

1296
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,949
also talks about the adequate provision of public

1297
01:03:22,949 --> 01:03:24,719
facilities for a rezoning so

1298
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,320
when we we look at the area there is water in that sewer

1299
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,880
along Mingo Road

1300
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,630
however extensions of both of those may be required at plat

1301
01:03:33,630 --> 01:03:34,920
ting and that would

1302
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,559
be something that would be determined during that that

1303
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:39,599
stage of development it

1304
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:43,599
is located on Mingo Road which is a secondary arterial

1305
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:44,719
under current

1306
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:49,039
conditions Mingo Road is a two-lane undivided road

1307
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:50,880
secondary arterials per

1308
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,519
the Denton Development Code are typically required to be

1309
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:54,000
four lane

1310
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,659
divided roads with five foot sidewalks on either side so it

1311
01:03:58,659 --> 01:04:00,480
's not currently built

1312
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,320
to the ultimate secondary arterial standard it is my

1313
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:06,840
understanding from

1314
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,730
engineering currently there aren't any projects that are or

1315
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:11,559
any capital

1316
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:15,250
improvement projects that are intended to widen Mingo at

1317
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:17,320
this time however with

1318
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,610
the development they would be required to dedicate right-of

1319
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:21,440
-way and do any

1320
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,690
public infrastructure improvements associated with the

1321
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:27,800
development we also

1322
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,130
looked at the compatibility of the request with the

1323
01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:31,099
surrounding zoning

1324
01:04:31,099 --> 01:04:34,860
districts so when we look at at the existing development

1325
01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:36,119
pattern as well as

1326
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:39,900
the location of the site on that primary arterial staff is

1327
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:41,159
determined it's it's

1328
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:44,400
really unlikely to develop with single-family residential

1329
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,000
uses you know

1330
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,989
access is only taken from that Mingo Road roadway as well

1331
01:04:50,989 --> 01:04:52,360
as those those

1332
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:57,719
single-family neighborhoods plus the the the age-limited

1333
01:04:57,719 --> 01:04:59,119
multifamily development

1334
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,440
to the West kind of isolate this this this piece of

1335
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:07,360
property so that there's

1336
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,329
not vehicular access to those adjacent neighborhoods it's

1337
01:05:10,329 --> 01:05:12,000
built out around them

1338
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,000
neighborhood or NRM U12 is intended for these types of

1339
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,800
areas it's intended to be

1340
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,980
near to residential areas and to be compatible compatible

1341
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:22,800
with residential

1342
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,269
neighborhoods it provides some some different housing types

1343
01:05:26,269 --> 01:05:27,280
as well as some

1344
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,130
commercial services some small-scale commercial development

1345
01:05:30,130 --> 01:05:30,840
so it's intended

1346
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,440
to be near residential areas that will be required the way

1347
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,239
that the site is

1348
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:40,909
configured it backs up to adjacent properties so the buff

1349
01:05:40,909 --> 01:05:41,880
ers will be

1350
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,360
required I believe we talked in the work session that would

1351
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,159
be a 10-foot

1352
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,530
landscape buffer require a certain number of trees and shr

1353
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:49,639
ubs to be planted

1354
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:53,210
between any use on this site and those single-family

1355
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:55,519
residential neighborhoods

1356
01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:59,659
NRM U12 is a logical extension of that existing

1357
01:05:59,659 --> 01:06:01,000
neighborhood residential

1358
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,159
neighborhood residential mixed-use 12 adjacent to the

1359
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:06,800
subject property it's

1360
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,670
also kind of a lot an appropriate transition from this dr2

1361
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:11,639
and DCG which

1362
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:15,960
is closer to TWU as you're transitioning toward that single

1363
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,800
-family residential

1364
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,500
neighborhood so it's a logical transition as well the

1365
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:20,800
subject property

1366
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,739
is also an infill development the the debt and plan 2030

1367
01:06:24,739 --> 01:06:25,760
calls for infill

1368
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,829
development it calls for these types of parcels that are

1369
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:32,559
within our city to

1370
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:36,429
provide some different housing types and different services

1371
01:06:36,429 --> 01:06:37,320
so that we can

1372
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:43,019
maintain compact growth so based upon the criteria for

1373
01:06:43,019 --> 01:06:44,000
approval staff

1374
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,480
recommends approval of this request because it is

1375
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,800
consistent with the with

1376
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,170
the future land use element as well as the goals and

1377
01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:52,360
objectives of the dent and

1378
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:57,030
plan 2030 and it also encourages infill development in a

1379
01:06:57,030 --> 01:06:58,280
way that is compatible

1380
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,590
with the surrounding zoning and development pattern and

1381
01:07:01,590 --> 01:07:02,760
that concludes

1382
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,969
the zoning portion of the presentation if anybody has any

1383
01:07:05,969 --> 01:07:06,960
questions otherwise

1384
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,130
I'll just move forward with the specific use permit

1385
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:12,099
commissioner back thank you

1386
01:07:12,099 --> 01:07:16,030
chair Julie we all I think most of commissioners mentioned

1387
01:07:16,030 --> 01:07:16,519
in the work

1388
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:20,699
session we're concerned about mingo Road in the traffic

1389
01:07:20,699 --> 01:07:22,239
issue that may arise and

1390
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:30,179
the fact that it is considered a second arterial could you

1391
01:07:30,179 --> 01:07:31,719
share with us for the

1392
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:36,630
sake of the audience why this development was considered

1393
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:37,159
okay to go

1394
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:43,480
ahead with without the widening of mingo at this time well

1395
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,960
we're gonna be adding

1396
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,960
some traffic to it albeit not a lot but still within the

1397
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,639
city of Denton how our

1398
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:56,349
roads network typically develops is that as as development

1399
01:07:56,349 --> 01:07:58,079
on a roadway comes

1400
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:03,030
forward right of way right of way dedication is is is

1401
01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:04,079
determined at

1402
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:07,500
platting and then any additional roadway perimeter

1403
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:09,760
improvements are determined at

1404
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,599
platting mingo is kind of an interesting case because it's

1405
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:14,920
an existing road so as

1406
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,319
the city develops as there are future improvements to our

1407
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:21,039
roadway network that

1408
01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:24,680
will be something that would be considered but right now

1409
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:25,600
there aren't

1410
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,170
any planned improvements for mingo Road now this

1411
01:08:29,170 --> 01:08:31,479
development would be required

1412
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,510
to dedicate right of way for future any future widening

1413
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:37,279
projects on mingo Road

1414
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:42,449
they would also be required to to construct any sidewalks

1415
01:08:42,449 --> 01:08:44,159
so as as the as

1416
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:48,350
the network as the roadway continues to to develop they

1417
01:08:48,350 --> 01:08:50,119
would that would be that

1418
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:53,500
piece of pedestrian facilities that they would that they

1419
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:54,720
would put in so it's

1420
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,000
just one more piece that will continue creating those

1421
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,439
connections so there's

1422
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,090
nothing planned right now but this but this one would be

1423
01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:04,199
required to have some

1424
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:07,550
improvements to the road okay but we're likely not to see

1425
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:09,439
any widening of mingo

1426
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,039
is a second arterial meeting the criteria of second arter

1427
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:12,760
ial and we see a

1428
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,930
lot more development along mingo unless there is some other

1429
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:17,000
mechanism that that

1430
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,130
creates that that such as like a capital improvement

1431
01:09:21,130 --> 01:09:23,560
project okay okay all right

1432
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,279
thank you sure

1433
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,729
Commissioner Smith thank you chair during discussion of

1434
01:09:29,729 --> 01:09:30,319
approval for the

1435
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,060
zoning can we can we limit the height that the height in

1436
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:34,760
our m12 is 12 at 65

1437
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,229
feet are we able to to approve landing that height at all

1438
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:39,560
the the height limit

1439
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,699
of NRM u12 is 40 feet and yes you could put a condition on

1440
01:09:43,699 --> 01:09:45,800
either the SUP or the

1441
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:51,239
zoning case that could limit the height so yes sir

1442
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,289
when I already be 12 he's that's 40 feet in it 65 is what I

1443
01:09:58,289 --> 01:09:59,119
'll say maximum

1444
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:04,880
building I had 65 feet no you're fine I just wanted to make

1445
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,560
sure I didn't say

1446
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:20,010
wrong no NRM u12 sport 40 feet it's 40 but you could you

1447
01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:20,800
could restrict that

1448
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,329
is you could restrict that or does it is it says says right

1449
01:10:25,329 --> 01:10:26,520
here in our in our

1450
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,039
backup it says maximum building height 65 feet then I

1451
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:30,600
apologize I was incorrect

1452
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,989
in the backup yes it is 40 feet further I apologize never

1453
01:10:34,989 --> 01:10:36,399
mind yes thank you thank

1454
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:41,960
you for pointing that out all right so any other questions

1455
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,039
no questions on this

1456
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:47,229
part all right presentation all right so now we'll talk

1457
01:10:47,229 --> 01:10:48,119
about the specific use

1458
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:51,539
permit and what they're proposing on the site so they are

1459
01:10:51,539 --> 01:10:52,760
proposing a specific

1460
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,380
use permit for multifamily developments they are their

1461
01:10:57,380 --> 01:11:00,079
proposal is 48 two-bedroom

1462
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:04,779
units with some outdoor recreation they are proposing two-

1463
01:11:04,779 --> 01:11:06,159
story buildings

1464
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,329
buildings would be set back from the single-family

1465
01:11:09,329 --> 01:11:10,880
residential per their site

1466
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,359
plan so if we could just take a look at their site plan

1467
01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:15,439
they are proposing some

1468
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,020
detention areas on the east as well as the northern side so

1469
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:20,119
they're pulling

1470
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:22,489
those buildings back away from the single-family

1471
01:11:22,489 --> 01:11:24,359
residential areas they're

1472
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:27,560
also they would be required to meet the landscape buffers

1473
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,680
in the code and that

1474
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,260
is depicted on this on this site plan as well as street

1475
01:11:32,260 --> 01:11:33,479
trees along mingo road

1476
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,260
they're also proposing some masonry and stone accents and

1477
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:38,560
you can see here the

1478
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,720
conceptual elevations this is what would be presenting

1479
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,359
toward mingo road it would

1480
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:47,890
also have street trees along the frontage of it and then

1481
01:11:47,890 --> 01:11:48,680
here is the rear

1482
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:54,380
elevation so the criteria for approval for specific use

1483
01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:55,159
permits are in sub

1484
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:57,250
chapter 6 of the debt and development code and it is

1485
01:11:57,250 --> 01:11:57,920
essentially a

1486
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,390
compatibility analysis between the surrounding property and

1487
01:12:01,390 --> 01:12:01,880
then the

1488
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:06,229
proposed use what we look at is typically what would the

1489
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:07,319
specific use

1490
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:10,029
impede the normal or orderly development of the surrounding

1491
01:12:10,029 --> 01:12:11,760
vacant property with

1492
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,380
the parking and generation of traffic and access how would

1493
01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:16,640
that work within

1494
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,319
that the greater context of the site and the in the area

1495
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:21,960
what what types of

1496
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,170
nuisances with the proposed use create and what what

1497
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:26,760
mechanisms could prevent

1498
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,479
that nuisances is there adequate landscaping and screening

1499
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:30,960
and is the

1500
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,609
architecture compatible with the surrounding property when

1501
01:12:34,609 --> 01:12:35,640
we looked at

1502
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,550
their proposal we determined it is compatible with this

1503
01:12:39,550 --> 01:12:41,239
with the adjacent

1504
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:44,470
properties for the following reasons first it's consistent

1505
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:45,399
with the dent plan

1506
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:49,199
2030 future land use element and also the goal of the

1507
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:50,659
future of the didn't plan

1508
01:12:50,659 --> 01:12:55,800
2030 to develop infill sites so the didn't plan 2030 once

1509
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:56,439
that kind of

1510
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,619
compact growth and these types of infill sites where you

1511
01:12:59,619 --> 01:13:00,520
could get some

1512
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,939
different housing types meet that requirement it would also

1513
01:13:03,939 --> 01:13:04,439
provide

1514
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:09,359
needed housing near a TWU campus and that that meets that

1515
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:10,800
future land use

1516
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,640
designation as well the way the site is is is set out

1517
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:17,840
within the surrounding

1518
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,680
development there's no direct vehicular access to adjacent

1519
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,800
neighborhoods so it

1520
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,520
would limit any traffic impacts within those those adjacent

1521
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:27,800
neighborhoods it

1522
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,069
is on a DCTA connect route so it would provide alternate

1523
01:13:32,069 --> 01:13:33,079
roads modes of

1524
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:39,850
transportation for the the residents there are proposed two

1525
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:40,760
-story buildings

1526
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,170
with increased side setbacks and that increases the

1527
01:13:43,170 --> 01:13:44,319
compatibility with the

1528
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:47,510
nearby residential development and additionally the use

1529
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:48,520
must meet all dent

1530
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,899
and development code requirements for screening parking

1531
01:13:50,899 --> 01:13:51,880
lighting street trees

1532
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,689
and tree canopy public notification was sent out we've

1533
01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:59,399
received four four letters

1534
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:02,189
in opposition within the 200 foot boundary and you can see

1535
01:14:02,189 --> 01:14:02,640
they're

1536
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:07,390
depicted here and read and that is 6% we've received one in

1537
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:08,640
favor and that is

1538
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:14,840
this property right here staff proposes the condition on

1539
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:15,840
the specific use

1540
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,310
permit that it is required to ensure that they must submit

1541
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:20,279
a full site plan

1542
01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:22,770
to ensure that it does comply with all dent and development

1543
01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:23,560
code requirements

1544
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,060
for those those items such as site design landscaping

1545
01:14:27,060 --> 01:14:28,279
parking and building

1546
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:33,979
design so based upon the criteria for approval and the

1547
01:14:33,979 --> 01:14:35,039
proposed condition

1548
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,710
staff recommends approval of the request because it is

1549
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:38,920
consistent with the dent

1550
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,279
plan 2030 and it also provides moderate density housing

1551
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:43,479
designed to minimize

1552
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,489
impacts to nearby single-family homes to create a

1553
01:14:46,489 --> 01:14:47,880
compatible form within an

1554
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,569
infill area and I will stand for any questions got several

1555
01:14:52,569 --> 01:14:53,000
questions

1556
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,869
Commissioner Smith make sure deacceleration lanes along M

1557
01:14:56,869 --> 01:14:58,279
ingo the

1558
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:02,180
owners of course we put on to the engineer the applicant to

1559
01:15:02,180 --> 01:15:03,000
construct

1560
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,579
those is there anything that would treat as a trip

1561
01:15:05,579 --> 01:15:07,079
generation that would trigger

1562
01:15:07,079 --> 01:15:11,100
the city making that a requirement correct yes it would be

1563
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:12,520
based upon their

1564
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:18,310
based upon the road the the in their proposal the types of

1565
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:20,119
trips that their

1566
01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:23,699
proposal would generate that may require additional turn

1567
01:15:23,699 --> 01:15:25,000
lanes either left turn

1568
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,170
lanes right turn lanes some sort of system improvements

1569
01:15:28,170 --> 01:15:29,319
within that area so

1570
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:31,970
that is something that they'll be determined at platting

1571
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:32,640
once a little

1572
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,159
more detailed information has been provided to the city

1573
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:38,800
thank you sure

1574
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,300
Commissioner Sullivan thank you Judy what is the the

1575
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:43,520
screening that's going to be

1576
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:49,439
going specifically on the north and east boundaries what is

1577
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:50,640
the screening

1578
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,800
requirements yes they would be required to put in that 10-

1579
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,399
foot landscape buffer

1580
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:58,880
which includes

1581
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,989
five evergreen and deciduous trees and 30 shrubs per 100

1582
01:16:09,989 --> 01:16:11,479
linear feet okay so

1583
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,369
there's no wall or anything just landscaping the didn't

1584
01:16:14,369 --> 01:16:15,039
develop a code

1585
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:18,800
doesn't require a wall okay and it looks like on the map

1586
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,600
that from the one set of

1587
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:27,119
apartments proposed apartments on the east side that it's

1588
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:29,119
70 feet from the

1589
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:36,920
north boundary and then 40 35 feet from the east boundary

1590
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,319
is that am I reading

1591
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:41,489
that right yes it's set back fairly far now this is

1592
01:16:41,489 --> 01:16:42,680
conceptual at this exact

1593
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,819
understand so but I think from the letters that that I saw

1594
01:16:46,819 --> 01:16:47,520
here the

1595
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,359
concern was rain one ought runoff you know water runoff

1596
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:53,319
that's not going into

1597
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:58,800
their property traffic and which I'm assuming is more on m

1598
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,680
ingo and just I'm

1599
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,710
sure just looking in the backyard at an apartment but when

1600
01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:05,840
we're looking at

1601
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:12,319
these distances and the landscaping requirements you know

1602
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:13,840
am I right to

1603
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,520
assume that that sort of mitigates some of those issues

1604
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,039
that it's not going to

1605
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:22,510
be an apartment right up to the on the boundary line that

1606
01:17:22,510 --> 01:17:23,760
they're going to be

1607
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,159
able to somebody in the second floor look down on to them

1608
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:28,159
it was part of a

1609
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:31,439
staffs analysis that those increased setbacks did increase

1610
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:32,520
the compatibility

1611
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,609
with those adjacent residential properties because it minim

1612
01:17:35,609 --> 01:17:36,239
izes those

1613
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:40,119
visual impacts of the of the proposed apartment buildings

1614
01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:42,920
okay thank you sure

1615
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,680
Commissioner back thank you chair couple questions for

1616
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:47,119
Julie

1617
01:17:47,119 --> 01:17:51,529
monkey back on Commissioner Sullivan's comments would it be

1618
01:17:51,529 --> 01:17:53,159
safe to assume that

1619
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,329
the fact that we're coming in and developing or the

1620
01:17:56,329 --> 01:17:57,399
applicant is going to

1621
01:17:57,399 --> 01:18:01,859
develop this property that drainage would actually improve

1622
01:18:01,859 --> 01:18:03,039
as a result that

1623
01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:07,220
because now they've got to meet requirements that weren't

1624
01:18:07,220 --> 01:18:08,880
in place back

1625
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,500
when the current owner was there that there were conditions

1626
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:14,399
there that

1627
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:18,319
contribute to poor drainage on owners property but now that

1628
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:18,840
the developers

1629
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,140
coming in they've got to ensure that we're not going to

1630
01:18:21,140 --> 01:18:22,000
increase that or

1631
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,029
we're not going to add to that is that right they would

1632
01:18:24,029 --> 01:18:24,680
have to make sure

1633
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,850
they're not negatively impact those adjacent properties

1634
01:18:27,850 --> 01:18:29,319
okay also you

1635
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,739
pointed out that one of the conditions that have to be met

1636
01:18:32,739 --> 01:18:34,760
for an SUP is that

1637
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,340
adequate nuisance prevention measures have been or will be

1638
01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:39,560
taken to prevent or

1639
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,800
control offensive odors fumes dust noise and vibration so

1640
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,119
my question is

1641
01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:49,720
who and how is this determined what source do you use to

1642
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,560
measure this is

1643
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,529
somebody going out checking routinely here in terms of the

1644
01:18:55,529 --> 01:18:57,039
those types of

1645
01:18:57,039 --> 01:19:00,460
nuisance those are typically nuisances we see with more

1646
01:19:00,460 --> 01:19:01,399
intense uses not

1647
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:05,130
residential uses something like a an industrial use or

1648
01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:06,560
maybe a even a more

1649
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,479
intense commercial use staff doesn't anticipate that that

1650
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,560
dust or fumes or

1651
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,430
noise or vibration that is inconsistent with what's what

1652
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:18,279
what a residential use

1653
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:22,899
would would produce is is going to be likely at this this

1654
01:19:22,899 --> 01:19:25,000
site so we're not

1655
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,020
anticipating that a nuisance of that sort would be present

1656
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:29,960
here but if a

1657
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,430
resident nearby were to consider that such nuisance were

1658
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:34,359
going on they could

1659
01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:39,210
call the city and y'all would respond to that certainly

1660
01:19:39,210 --> 01:19:41,800
okay okay thank you

1661
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:48,130
Commissioner Sanchez when we're looking at the the old the

1662
01:19:48,130 --> 01:19:49,840
trees there's quite a

1663
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,189
few older trees there and my concern is and you mentioned

1664
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:54,479
it earlier you go by

1665
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,079
caliper but is there a difference you consider trees a one

1666
01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:00,239
that's eight inch

1667
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:05,439
DBH as opposed to one that would be like 30 inch DBH I mean

1668
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:06,920
that would have a lot

1669
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,109
more value even though it's there may they may will be oaks

1670
01:20:11,109 --> 01:20:12,319
but the older the

1671
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:17,170
tree the more value it has because there's less of those

1672
01:20:17,170 --> 01:20:18,279
kind of trees so

1673
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:22,750
is there anything in the in the plan that states okay the

1674
01:20:22,750 --> 01:20:24,399
older tree will get

1675
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:28,090
three points well the same type of tree but at eight inch

1676
01:20:28,090 --> 01:20:29,680
only gets one do you

1677
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:34,149
consider that at all the the way our tree code is written

1678
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:35,079
it's in sub chapter

1679
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:38,500
13 of the Denton Development Code and it does differentiate

1680
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:39,560
between tree sizes

1681
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:46,880
and also the some species of trees so there are there would

1682
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:47,960
be preservation

1683
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:53,880
requirements for protected trees versus let me

1684
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,850
there are protected trees there are also secondary trees

1685
01:21:05,850 --> 01:21:07,880
and then there there are

1686
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,680
quality tree and quality tree stands so the size of the

1687
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,239
excuse me the size and

1688
01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:16,329
species of the tree would determine that classification and

1689
01:21:16,329 --> 01:21:17,359
there are different

1690
01:21:17,359 --> 01:21:21,859
preservation requirements for each type so so depending on

1691
01:21:21,859 --> 01:21:23,319
how those trees are

1692
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,170
classified as they get to that platting stage then they'll

1693
01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:27,000
come up with their

1694
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,729
tree preservation plan at that point they would have to

1695
01:21:29,729 --> 01:21:30,600
meet all of those

1696
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:36,140
sub chapter 13 requirements and one more question we talked

1697
01:21:36,140 --> 01:21:37,560
about it's in the

1698
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,819
neighborhood university compatibility and we were my

1699
01:21:40,819 --> 01:21:42,119
concern is you know if

1700
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:46,130
we're gonna provide housing for students what about by a

1701
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:47,720
lot of used bikes I know

1702
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,100
there is will be a bus route through there but there's a

1703
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,319
lot of students that

1704
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:55,840
also ride bikes and that would be a concern for me is that

1705
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,119
eventually we need

1706
01:21:57,119 --> 01:22:01,619
to provide some safety because that road is very narrow and

1707
01:22:01,619 --> 01:22:02,880
we don't want

1708
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:07,350
students to get hit driving to school or riding to school

1709
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:08,720
is there I know you

1710
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,079
mentioned something a future plan for route bike rights

1711
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:15,479
routes in that area

1712
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,100
well the city of Denton does have a bike plan that they are

1713
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:19,920
currently

1714
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,760
implementing and so there are different routes that will

1715
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,399
connect different bike

1716
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:28,390
routes within the city in order to connect residential

1717
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:29,359
areas with those

1718
01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:34,720
nodes of education and employment so as that bike plan

1719
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:35,800
continues to be

1720
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,439
constructed that that bike network will just fill out more

1721
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:41,800
and provide more

1722
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:47,500
connections in terms of when when mingo would either get a

1723
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:48,880
bike lane or what is

1724
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,560
proposed for that I don't have that information with me I

1725
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:52,439
don't know when

1726
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,529
that would come about but I know that the city is looking

1727
01:22:55,529 --> 01:22:56,439
at completing that

1728
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,920
network

1729
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:04,569
Commissioner Roselle thank you chair Julie was there any

1730
01:23:04,569 --> 01:23:05,279
neighborhood meeting

1731
01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:08,039
regarding this the applicant host a neighborhood meeting

1732
01:23:08,039 --> 01:23:08,699
they did have a

1733
01:23:08,699 --> 01:23:11,079
neighborhood meeting they had a neighborhood meeting over

1734
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:11,560
the summer I

1735
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,729
wasn't able to attend that was a City Council night but the

1736
01:23:14,729 --> 01:23:15,720
applicant is here

1737
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,020
so they could probably give you more information about what

1738
01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:18,800
transpired at the

1739
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,439
meeting okay perfect thank you sure Commissioner Ellis

1740
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:23,960
thank you chair Julie

1741
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,199
going back to road concerns traffic impact analysis is it

1742
01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:29,399
required it

1743
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:31,850
wouldn't be required in this instance because it meet that

1744
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:32,720
doesn't meet those

1745
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,979
thresholds this the Denton Development Code has thresholds

1746
01:23:35,979 --> 01:23:37,239
when that traffic

1747
01:23:37,239 --> 01:23:42,119
impact analysis would be required and this

1748
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:51,720
based upon the trip generation manuals

1749
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,060
based upon the the eighth edition of the Institute of

1750
01:23:58,060 --> 01:24:00,640
Transportation engineers

1751
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:05,279
trip generation manual the proposed use would generate 320

1752
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:06,680
daily vehicle trips

1753
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,920
and 33 evening peak hour trips the Denton Development Code

1754
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:11,960
requires that

1755
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:17,220
any use over a thousand vehicle trips per day or 100 peak

1756
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:18,720
hour trips would

1757
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:23,449
require a TI a because this one doesn't doesn't breach that

1758
01:24:23,449 --> 01:24:24,600
threshold then it

1759
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,739
wouldn't be required in this instance so if engineering is

1760
01:24:28,739 --> 01:24:30,000
going to determine if

1761
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,600
road improvements are necessary they just making that

1762
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,159
decision amongst

1763
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:38,119
themselves or they would look at those trips generation it

1764
01:24:38,119 --> 01:24:39,239
had generated and

1765
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:42,930
how they're dispersed in the area so so it would it would

1766
01:24:42,930 --> 01:24:44,399
be based upon that not

1767
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:49,939
necessarily a full TI a there may be I mean there could it

1768
01:24:49,939 --> 01:24:51,239
doesn't meet the

1769
01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:53,880
threshold of a TI a but if it did get to that point where

1770
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:54,840
they thought they

1771
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,420
needed it that is something that the applicant could

1772
01:24:57,420 --> 01:24:58,439
discuss with engineering

1773
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,800
to ensure that the applicant or that the site is adequately

1774
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,359
served okay thank you

1775
01:25:04,359 --> 01:25:12,319
sure any other questions for Julie thank you Julie this is

1776
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:14,279
a public hearing I do

1777
01:25:14,279 --> 01:25:21,369
have one card wishing to speak Lawrence Hall Dorf speaking

1778
01:25:21,369 --> 01:25:24,039
in support

1779
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:33,159
hello I'm Lawrence Holder 2415 North Elm Street Julie if

1780
01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:33,840
you could help me put

1781
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:39,039
the slide on okay hold up

1782
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,840
it's good news

1783
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,899
you

1784
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:32,840
[ Pause ]

1785
01:27:33,840 --> 01:28:01,840
[ Pause ]

1786
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:07,840
[ Pause ]

1787
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,840
>> I apologize for that.

1788
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:17,840
[ Pause ]

1789
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:23,380
Okay, as shown for the card that I turned in, I am Lawrence

1790
01:28:23,380 --> 01:28:25,520
Holdworth, the engineer on this project representing Flumer

1791
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,930
-Rometti, the developer, and Amanda Austin, the owner of the

1792
01:28:28,930 --> 01:28:29,840
property.

1793
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,840
We actually held two neighborhood meetings.

1794
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,840
They were held on 6/20 and 8/03.

1795
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,439
And both of those, we went for the first one to see what

1796
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,569
the neighborhood concerns were, and then we came back in 8/

1797
01:28:45,569 --> 01:28:48,840
3 to kind of show them what we were at that time.

1798
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,090
So we took a concept plan to them, and then we came back

1799
01:28:51,090 --> 01:28:53,189
showing them what we planned to do to address those

1800
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:53,840
concerns.

1801
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,710
The concerns that were addressed by the residents was the

1802
01:28:57,710 --> 01:29:01,779
increase in traffic on Mingo Road, the exasperation of the

1803
01:29:01,779 --> 01:29:03,840
existing drainage issues.

1804
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,010
So the increase in traffic on Mingo Road, as discussed

1805
01:29:07,010 --> 01:29:10,409
earlier, Mingo Road is a secondary arterial, and it is

1806
01:29:10,409 --> 01:29:13,840
going to be addressed for future improvement.

1807
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,250
And the exasperation of existing drainage issues, per the D

1808
01:29:18,250 --> 01:29:22,840
ENT development code, we have to, as discussed earlier, not

1809
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,840
allow any additional negative impacts off-site.

1810
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,840
So we do plan to take our drainage into detention.

1811
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,500
We plan to take all that drainage down south, splitting it

1812
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:38,300
to the current drainage pattern, east and west, because we

1813
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:40,840
are actually on a divide right there.

1814
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,010
So we do not plan to take any drainage to the east and very

1815
01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:47,140
limited drainage to the north, less flow than what is

1816
01:29:47,140 --> 01:29:49,840
currently going to those directions now.

1817
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,500
The loss of privacy for residents back in the development,

1818
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:54,939
our buildings, as shown, are pulled far away from the

1819
01:29:54,939 --> 01:29:57,840
property line, much further than what is actually required.

1820
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,420
The site plan actually is 44 feet away from the east

1821
01:30:01,420 --> 01:30:05,180
property line, 35 feet being what is required per the

1822
01:30:05,180 --> 01:30:09,369
height building setback, a 10-foot buffer along the north

1823
01:30:09,369 --> 01:30:11,840
and the east is required as well.

1824
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,920
So we are pulling those buildings a little bit further back

1825
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,979
, providing a detention pond between the two so it's a nice

1826
01:30:17,979 --> 01:30:23,930
green area, and then providing additional green space along

1827
01:30:23,930 --> 01:30:25,840
the north side.

1828
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,229
The preservation of existing trees, we, through our site

1829
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:33,579
plan, we were able to pull the buildings in such a way that

1830
01:30:33,579 --> 01:30:36,680
we were able to preserve the majority of all the existing

1831
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,840
trees on the site, way more than what is required.

1832
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,590
The required tree preservation at this time is about 25%,

1833
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:49,840
not about, it is 25% of quality trees.

1834
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,649
We are preserving more than 50%, I'm hoping to zoom in on

1835
01:30:53,649 --> 01:30:56,840
that number here as soon as we get to that point.

1836
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,659
The additional residents are concerns, so we received a few

1837
01:31:00,659 --> 01:31:04,119
letters, or at least one letter, that was requesting

1838
01:31:04,119 --> 01:31:05,840
additional concerns.

1839
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,699
Noise and traffic congestion increased, the noise off of M

1840
01:31:08,699 --> 01:31:10,840
ingo Road, as my understanding on that.

1841
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:15,180
Our buildings, the building, the landscaping, as well as

1842
01:31:15,180 --> 01:31:19,270
the open space, should be able to mitigate that noise and

1843
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:22,840
that traffic volume noise from Mingo Street.

1844
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,930
So we're not just open clearing and providing a parking lot

1845
01:31:25,930 --> 01:31:28,840
where noise would just be able to bounce and ricochet all

1846
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,840
the way back to those residents.

1847
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,060
Traffic congestion, again, it is a secondary arterial that

1848
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:36,840
has not been developed to its maximum potential.

1849
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:41,789
So as soon as it is developed at that time, we will be able

1850
01:31:41,789 --> 01:31:45,840
to, it will be able to handle the traffic.

1851
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,439
Again, our site is only taking 320 trips, way under the

1852
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:55,840
thousand trips, and it's almost compatible with the trips

1853
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,289
that would be from single family residential that would be

1854
01:31:59,289 --> 01:32:02,340
installed in this location, or constructed in this location

1855
01:32:02,340 --> 01:32:02,840
as well.

1856
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,000
We have a willingness to work with the city engineer and

1857
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,840
with the traffic engineers.

1858
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,119
If any improvements are required, turn lanes, acceleration

1859
01:32:11,119 --> 01:32:14,079
lanes, or anything of those natures are determined to be

1860
01:32:14,079 --> 01:32:17,529
required, we will be working with them during the plotting

1861
01:32:17,529 --> 01:32:21,229
process to provide those if required, and to determine if

1862
01:32:21,229 --> 01:32:22,840
they are required.

1863
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,840
Property value decrease was another concern.

1864
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,880
We did a quick analysis just by grabbing a random home

1865
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,250
further north, and I can show you the slides as we get down

1866
01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:39,050
to that point, further north on budding a development, the

1867
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:46,840
apartments that were built in 2005 or 2015, sorry.

1868
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,000
And to show that the apartments, even though they were

1869
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,069
built, the property values had decreased during the

1870
01:32:53,069 --> 01:32:56,840
recession and then have been slowly increasing since then.

1871
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,699
And when that apartment complex was constructed, there was

1872
01:32:59,699 --> 01:33:01,840
no negative impacts that were foreseen.

1873
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,850
Now we aren't a realty agent, so we can't determine whether

1874
01:33:05,850 --> 01:33:08,840
or not there actually will be a decrease.

1875
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,229
However, it is our best judgment that property decrease is

1876
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:13,840
not going to be an issue.

1877
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,829
Request for turn lanes on Mingo, again that is being

1878
01:33:16,829 --> 01:33:18,840
addressed at the planning process.

1879
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,930
We have more than a willingness to address deceleration

1880
01:33:21,930 --> 01:33:24,840
lanes and turn lanes during the planning process.

1881
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:26,920
The request for walls are barriers between development and

1882
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:27,840
adjacent residents.

1883
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,840
There are currently fences out there now.

1884
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,840
There are currently trees along the buffer line.

1885
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,680
We are only removing the shrubbery that is not consistent

1886
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,039
or conducive to the buffer to be able to provide the

1887
01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:45,840
required trees and shrubs for the development code.

1888
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:52,229
So we are trying to preserve all the trees and desired

1889
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:56,840
foliage in the buffer.

1890
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,000
Walls and barriers, at this time we have been discussing

1891
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,229
and we have been discussing with the city staff internally

1892
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:07,250
with the developer as well to provide, potentially provide

1893
01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:08,840
a wall there.

1894
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,840
But at this time it is not required per the DDC.

1895
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:17,800
And we are hoping to look at the feasibility of that during

1896
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,840
the site plan and planning process.

1897
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:22,840
Again, this is actually a response.

1898
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,840
I just went ahead and wrote it out.

1899
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,840
I'll skip this because I already just said it.

1900
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,840
Additional site enhancements.

1901
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,840
Our buildings will have a very nice facade on them.

1902
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,199
They will look, they will present well from the street as

1903
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:41,840
well as from internally.

1904
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:45,460
We are providing a lot of open space and a detention

1905
01:34:45,460 --> 01:34:49,460
between the building and the property owners as opposed to

1906
01:34:49,460 --> 01:34:51,840
trying to provide that detention internally.

1907
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,010
We gave that as a buffer between the buildings and the

1908
01:34:55,010 --> 01:34:55,840
residents.

1909
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:01,699
It is designed to be a pedestrian oriented development by

1910
01:35:01,699 --> 01:35:07,300
providing connectivity internally, sidewalks and

1911
01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:13,380
recreational areas as well as open space for pedestrian use

1912
01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:13,840
.

1913
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:18,529
We are showing at this time and would like to present on

1914
01:35:18,529 --> 01:35:23,279
the site plan as well bicycle racks, the community bicycle

1915
01:35:23,279 --> 01:35:23,840
racks.

1916
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,840
I'm not sure if a lot of people are going to post those,

1917
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:32,840
but we are for the community bicycle racks at this time.

1918
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:37,090
And as well as covered bicycle racks or providing a storage

1919
01:35:37,090 --> 01:35:38,840
facility for those.

1920
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,199
So we understand that some of the residents may be coming

1921
01:35:42,199 --> 01:35:45,840
from the school and therefore will be riding their bike.

1922
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,119
And so we want to provide a safe and secure location for

1923
01:35:48,119 --> 01:35:48,840
those bikes.

1924
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:56,840
The outdoor recreational area such as like a dog park or a

1925
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,970
ultimate frisbee area, something along those lines on the

1926
01:36:00,970 --> 01:36:03,840
inside internal of our site.

1927
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,840
Our lot coverage currently is 38 percent.

1928
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,840
The inverse of that is 62 percent landscape.

1929
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,829
The maximum lot coverage is 60 percent or 40 percent

1930
01:36:13,829 --> 01:36:14,840
required landscape.

1931
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,840
We are showing 62 percent landscape on our site.

1932
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,840
We are almost doubling our landscape requirement.

1933
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,340
So our site is in itself half the size that is required per

1934
01:36:25,340 --> 01:36:27,840
the coverage requirement.

1935
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,609
So we are really trying to maximize that green space, that

1936
01:36:32,609 --> 01:36:37,329
open feeling, that outdoor kind of pedestrian oriented

1937
01:36:37,329 --> 01:36:38,840
development.

1938
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:43,390
We are limiting our structures to the two stories, to under

1939
01:36:43,390 --> 01:36:45,840
the 40 feet, two story structures.

1940
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,890
That way we aren't proposing to go four story, three story

1941
01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:53,970
thing along those lines where the abutting residents will

1942
01:36:53,970 --> 01:36:57,869
fear that somebody that high can actually peer down into

1943
01:36:57,869 --> 01:37:00,840
their backyards and into their home.

1944
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:07,060
So with the setback, with the buffers, with the trees and

1945
01:37:07,060 --> 01:37:13,310
everything else along that comes with that, we will not be

1946
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:18,840
able to easily peer into neighbors backyards.

1947
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,350
The preservation of the majority of the existing on site

1948
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:21,840
trees.

1949
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:22,840
Again, I'm hoping to zoom to that.

1950
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,640
I went ahead and pulled up or put on here the landscape

1951
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:27,840
plan as well.

1952
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,840
Preserving at least 50 percent of the trees.

1953
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,840
I can't remember the exact number.

1954
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,840
Just left my mind where I stepped up here.

1955
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,310
Willingness to provide an eight foot sidewalk along Mingo

1956
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:38,840
Street.

1957
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:42,310
We have discussed this with the city staff and with the

1958
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:45,840
residents that we would like to increase right now.

1959
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,840
Secondary tier requires a five foot sidewalk.

1960
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,840
We would like to increase that five foot to an eight foot.

1961
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:54,359
By increasing that, it provides a wider area for

1962
01:37:54,359 --> 01:37:59,439
pedestrians as well as accessibility for a bicycle for

1963
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,840
passing pedestrians.

1964
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:08,000
So we would like to or we would like to work with the city

1965
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:13,840
to provide an eight foot sidewalk if we are able to.

1966
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,979
Again, the concept plan that was shown with Julie's

1967
01:38:17,979 --> 01:38:21,840
presentation and then the landscape number.

1968
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,840
So I can zoom in and see if it's any clear.

1969
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,840
And I can't get far enough in.

1970
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,840
It's at least 50 percent.

1971
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,840
If not more, again, 25 percent is required.

1972
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:38,859
So here is the notification map that had the neighborhood

1973
01:38:38,859 --> 01:38:39,840
concerns.

1974
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,520
And we took 1509 Creek Avenue, just randomly grabbed their

1975
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,050
site and looked up on DCAD to see property values and

1976
01:38:47,050 --> 01:38:52,840
looking past back the past nine years.

1977
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,060
Past the recession, there has been a steady increase in

1978
01:38:55,060 --> 01:38:58,199
property value, even though the development to the west was

1979
01:38:58,199 --> 01:39:02,979
constructed in 2002 and the apartment complexes, which

1980
01:39:02,979 --> 01:39:05,840
would be abutting their property, was built in 2015.

1981
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:11,720
So we responsibly believe that a multifamily residential

1982
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,840
will not negatively impact this area.

1983
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:16,840
That is my presentation at this time.

1984
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:18,840
If you have any questions.

1985
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:19,840
Got a couple of questions.

1986
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:20,840
Commissioner Smith.

1987
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:21,840
Thank you, Chair.

1988
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,840
The proposed use is for student housing, correct?

1989
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:35,909
It was suggested that it was student housing. I guess

1990
01:39:35,909 --> 01:39:36,479
really the question I have is that whenever you talk to a

1991
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:37,079
developer, as I'm bringing in student housing, they're

1992
01:39:37,079 --> 01:39:38,489
envisioning creating apartment complexes that have a one to

1993
01:39:38,489 --> 01:39:41,840
one ratio of bathroom to bedroom.

1994
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,250
You know, if it's a four bedroom, four bedroom apartment,

1995
01:39:44,250 --> 01:39:46,840
it's going to have four bathrooms or maybe two bathrooms.

1996
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,819
But it's designed to where you can have individual units

1997
01:39:49,819 --> 01:39:51,840
inside the apartment unit itself.

1998
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,750
Is the design of these apartment complexes proposed to be

1999
01:39:54,750 --> 01:39:57,600
designed to be marketable towards students or is it going

2000
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,479
to be apartment complexes that will probably be students

2001
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,489
because of proximity to the university, but not going to be

2002
01:40:03,489 --> 01:40:05,840
designed necessarily targeting them?

2003
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:06,840
More of the latter.

2004
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,729
We, of course, welcome the student population to rent from

2005
01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:14,619
these apartments or rent these apartments, but they are not

2006
01:40:14,619 --> 01:40:18,840
specifically designed to go directly after those students.

2007
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:23,590
It is a two bedroom unit. I don't know the exact bathroom

2008
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:28,279
to bedroom count. My understanding is that it is at this

2009
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:30,840
time still being finalized.

2010
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,699
It is going to be one bathroom for two bedrooms, but that

2011
01:40:34,699 --> 01:40:38,840
can vary depending on what floor or the ultimate layout.

2012
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,930
But again, we are trying to welcome the students, but we're

2013
01:40:41,930 --> 01:40:43,840
not going specifically for them.

2014
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,840
So it could be a mix of student and family use.

2015
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,840
Absolutely, sir.

2016
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,840
Commissioner back. Thank you, Chair.

2017
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,420
Thank you, Mr. Holder for your presentation. And let me

2018
01:40:54,420 --> 01:40:56,840
compliment you on your development.

2019
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:01,180
I like a lot of things that you're going to do that you're

2020
01:41:01,180 --> 01:41:04,840
planning on doing the preservation of trees.

2021
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:15,600
Possibility of widening the sidewalk for both pedestrian

2022
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,840
and bike. On that one particular thing, are you just

2023
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:17,840
considering that eight foot width just in front of your

2024
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:17,840
development or would you be willing to work with the city

2025
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:17,840
to take it all the way down to Roodale?

2026
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,310
Take the eight foot sidewalk or the existing sidewalk to

2027
01:41:21,310 --> 01:41:24,500
replace the existing sidewalk that's in front of the

2028
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:28,840
development to the well or add to it.

2029
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,840
That would be something that we would have to.

2030
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,829
And I wasn't trying to get you. I was just curious whether

2031
01:41:35,829 --> 01:41:38,079
that was thought evidently it wasn't something you're just

2032
01:41:38,079 --> 01:41:39,840
looking at in front of your development.

2033
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,310
Okay, good. That's her. And you did indicate these were two

2034
01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:46,840
stories. So we're not that's not going to change.

2035
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,989
Okay, story is not going to change from the two story. We

2036
01:41:48,989 --> 01:41:51,840
are maximizing the unit count at this time.

2037
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,600
So we do not have the additional units to go vertically or

2038
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:59,779
horizontally. We cannot expand the buildings at this time

2039
01:41:59,779 --> 01:42:03,600
we may be able to make the square footage slightly bigger,

2040
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,449
but we cannot make, unless we eliminate one building and

2041
01:42:06,449 --> 01:42:08,710
stack it on top of the other at this point which we, there

2042
01:42:08,710 --> 01:42:10,840
's no reason to do.

2043
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,189
And we do not propose that at this time. And that's very

2044
01:42:14,189 --> 01:42:17,720
appealing because that that lower high takes that concern

2045
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,010
away from the residents that should be able to look in,

2046
01:42:21,010 --> 01:42:24,430
considering you got a, I think a 44 foot distance between

2047
01:42:24,430 --> 01:42:30,840
the property and there's

2048
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,560
the issue with offense and privacy fence mentioned those

2049
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,180
apartments up on university, where it hasn't affected

2050
01:42:38,180 --> 01:42:41,930
property values there they do have a six foot high masonry

2051
01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:43,840
fence all the way around.

2052
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,659
I realize that in homeowners there had some fences of their

2053
01:42:47,659 --> 01:42:51,210
own to now we're driving down boy and seminal and notice

2054
01:42:51,210 --> 01:42:54,470
there are some six foot would privacy fences in the

2055
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:58,359
backyard, but that's an older development there's still a

2056
01:42:58,359 --> 01:43:00,840
lot of chain lead fence four foot high.

2057
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:06,329
So, that aspect of the privacy is lost. Now, the areas that

2058
01:43:06,329 --> 01:43:10,859
are going to back up to these houses on both boy and sem

2059
01:43:10,859 --> 01:43:15,770
inal are going to be the open spaces and detention area so

2060
01:43:15,770 --> 01:43:19,840
not necessarily a lot of people out there but

2061
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,279
would you be willing to work with the homeowners as far as

2062
01:43:24,279 --> 01:43:28,699
upgrading their fence a little bit to afford a little bit

2063
01:43:28,699 --> 01:43:32,060
more privacy is that a possibility. Yes, so at the time of

2064
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:32,680
these neighborhood means one that concern was brought up

2065
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:33,840
and we had expressed with

2066
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,869
residents that we would work with them to improve their

2067
01:43:37,869 --> 01:43:42,069
existing fence, if it does not meet that requirement the

2068
01:43:42,069 --> 01:43:46,180
six foot height or privacy fence if they are accepting of

2069
01:43:46,180 --> 01:43:49,840
that we're not going to force that upon them.

2070
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:54,180
We have discussed with staff and will be discussing with

2071
01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:58,710
staff, the buffer alternative to provide a fence as opposed

2072
01:43:58,710 --> 01:44:03,210
to the shrubs, which in my opinion, would be better for

2073
01:44:03,210 --> 01:44:07,909
this kind of a development but not as foliage in the

2074
01:44:07,909 --> 01:44:09,840
appealing.

2075
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:13,310
Either or we will be adhering to the development code on

2076
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:16,779
that so we don't plan to create additional buffer we feel

2077
01:44:16,779 --> 01:44:20,310
as though we have provided enough mitigation for that by

2078
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:23,840
pulling our buildings away and providing the required

2079
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:24,840
buffer, so we would just be

2080
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:30,409
putting the buffer to a buffer that has a fence and then

2081
01:44:30,409 --> 01:44:36,119
would require think it's five trees or four trees every

2082
01:44:36,119 --> 01:44:39,840
hundred feet then at that point.

2083
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:55,050
So, fence. It's okay. Well, and we'll discuss that moving

2084
01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:55,239
forward so we are looking at hopefully trying to provide a

2085
01:44:55,239 --> 01:44:55,449
fence we have been talking with the developer about that

2086
01:44:55,449 --> 01:44:55,649
providing a fence but at this time we have not finalized

2087
01:44:55,649 --> 01:44:55,840
that decision.

2088
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:59,329
But we will be working with them we have expressed my agree

2089
01:44:59,329 --> 01:45:02,750
the tree buffer would be good it diminishes it but I think

2090
01:45:02,750 --> 01:45:06,189
the thing with most homeowners going to be the top side it

2091
01:45:06,189 --> 01:45:09,840
's out of mind so if there's that visuals still there.

2092
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:15,689
If you do have a chain link fence and the tree barrier just

2093
01:45:15,689 --> 01:45:21,289
doesn't quite do the trick you would be willing to work

2094
01:45:21,289 --> 01:45:26,090
with them and erect a price for privacy. Yes sir. How would

2095
01:45:26,090 --> 01:45:26,840
they approach you, how would they go about approaching you.

2096
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:31,340
That is a very good question. That was one of those things

2097
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:35,489
where we believe that we would be able to approach that

2098
01:45:35,489 --> 01:45:39,949
person at that time saying, your fence appears to not be a

2099
01:45:39,949 --> 01:45:43,840
privacy fence would you like to for us to upgrade that.

2100
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,130
And if that doesn't happen, then we know that they would be

2101
01:45:47,130 --> 01:45:50,159
more than if they are opposed to this they would be more

2102
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:53,689
than apt to approaching us. Okay, so at that time we would,

2103
01:45:53,689 --> 01:45:56,840
oh okay you, you would like us to improve that.

2104
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,840
So either or.

2105
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,579
And both, I think is how we plan to do that we actually

2106
01:46:01,579 --> 01:46:04,840
didn't write anything down at this time is how to do that.

2107
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,069
That's a very good logistic question that I'm not really

2108
01:46:07,069 --> 01:46:07,840
thought about.

2109
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,840
Okay, I'm glad to raise it there. Thank you very much.

2110
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:11,840
Thank you.

2111
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,840
Commissioner Sanchez.

2112
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:19,840
Okay, Julie.

2113
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:24,689
One of the questions is, they haven't met the threshold you

2114
01:46:24,689 --> 01:46:26,840
said as far as traffic.

2115
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:30,619
What if later on once the bit, and that's going to be, I

2116
01:46:30,619 --> 01:46:34,529
guess that that analysis has been done prior to building

2117
01:46:34,529 --> 01:46:39,000
the apartments. What about, say, a few months later, and,

2118
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,840
and the traffic gets pretty heavy.

2119
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:49,970
And then the residents in that neighborhood then petition

2120
01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:56,840
the city to do a re analysis of the, of the traffic.

2121
01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:02,329
Make sure I understand your question so your question is

2122
01:47:02,329 --> 01:47:07,810
that if trap anticipated traffic is actually higher once

2123
01:47:07,810 --> 01:47:11,840
the, once the multifamily was built. Yes, what a new

2124
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:11,840
analysis of that traffic impact.

2125
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:15,180
People really feel that it's impact the traffic has

2126
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:19,340
increased, and therefore it's impacting, you know, the area

2127
01:47:19,340 --> 01:47:23,090
, could they go back to the city and say, hey, now we, you

2128
01:47:23,090 --> 01:47:26,779
know, we really feel that it's a lot worse and what you had

2129
01:47:26,779 --> 01:47:27,840
told us.

2130
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:32,579
And then the city re analysis, re analysis re analyze that

2131
01:47:32,579 --> 01:47:37,279
and then have the city do something. I'm not aware of a

2132
01:47:37,279 --> 01:47:41,600
mechanism by which a new analysis of the traffic could be

2133
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,840
done in terms of this development.

2134
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,140
However, the city or traffic engineer and our engineering

2135
01:47:48,140 --> 01:47:51,029
department as a whole is looking at all of the traffic

2136
01:47:51,029 --> 01:47:54,279
within the city and seeing what improvements can be made to

2137
01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:56,970
our infrastructure so it might be part of a larger

2138
01:47:56,970 --> 01:48:01,100
discussion about the greater network, but in terms of with

2139
01:48:01,100 --> 01:48:02,840
this project, I don't.

2140
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,840
I don't know of a mechanism that there are a reevaluation

2141
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,289
could happen. I was just curious you know sometimes people,

2142
01:48:09,289 --> 01:48:12,539
you know, we make analysis and they're not correct. And so

2143
01:48:12,539 --> 01:48:15,840
sometimes we have to go back and re look at it revisit it.

2144
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,579
And that's all that was my question. If, if what the

2145
01:48:19,579 --> 01:48:23,810
analysis that has been done. It doesn't pan out, then what

2146
01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:27,420
do we do the residents have a way to go back to the city

2147
01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:31,479
engineers, or maybe even just as a group, they can go back

2148
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:32,840
to the city.

2149
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:36,550
The neighborhood can go back hate. Could you read evaluate

2150
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:40,119
the traffic here. I would always encourage residents to

2151
01:48:40,119 --> 01:48:43,569
communicate with the city about what's going on in their

2152
01:48:43,569 --> 01:48:46,840
neighborhood so I think that's a good thing to do.

2153
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,840
Go back to the city and see.

2154
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:56,659
Let us know where the issue areas are so that as plans move

2155
01:48:56,659 --> 01:49:02,840
forward, those can be addressed. Yes, sir.

2156
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:04,840
This is a public hearing.

2157
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,479
Anyone who would like to speak on this item is welcome to

2158
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:09,840
come down at this time I don't have any cards.

2159
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,479
If you do choose to come speak if you'll fill out a card

2160
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:15,239
for us after you speak will be fine. So come on down and

2161
01:49:15,239 --> 01:49:18,069
give us your name and address and then just fill out a card

2162
01:49:18,069 --> 01:49:19,840
before you leave this evening.

2163
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:24,449
My name is James Vicki I live at 1510 Seminole Avenue I'm

2164
01:49:24,449 --> 01:49:28,659
north and center of the property that's being proposed for

2165
01:49:28,659 --> 01:49:29,840
the change.

2166
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:33,090
I must say that I was pleasantly surprised with the redo of

2167
01:49:33,090 --> 01:49:36,050
the design from the one that I saw in August, they did

2168
01:49:36,050 --> 01:49:39,439
manage to pull the property away they gave us homeowners, a

2169
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,840
little bit more space to breathe.

2170
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,590
I do have a few concerns, and one is, like, Mr. Beck said

2171
01:49:46,590 --> 01:49:51,279
here, most of us have four foot chain link fences so while

2172
01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:55,590
the trees are beautiful, I think the fence would would

2173
01:49:55,590 --> 01:50:00,149
offer us a little bit more privacy people from keep people

2174
01:50:00,149 --> 01:50:01,840
from walking on to our property easily jumping the fence

2175
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,699
doing whatever you know just in case we want to keep honest

2176
01:50:05,699 --> 01:50:09,659
people honest I suppose. Another issue that I have is, I

2177
01:50:09,659 --> 01:50:13,430
don't know if you guys can see it now, but on the northern

2178
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:15,840
end, they have set of dumpsters.

2179
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,729
And I was concerned my wife and I are concerned that this

2180
01:50:19,729 --> 01:50:24,399
is a dumpster been for 48 apartments and it's 10 feet from

2181
01:50:24,399 --> 01:50:28,930
my house and I would like, if possible for the developer to

2182
01:50:28,930 --> 01:50:32,710
consider moving that maybe somewhere further on to their

2183
01:50:32,710 --> 01:50:33,840
property.

2184
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:39,579
Instead of on mine and my neighbors, you know the

2185
01:50:39,579 --> 01:50:45,840
summertime I would be concerned about the smells.

2186
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:49,840
Another issue that wasn't mentioned.

2187
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:54,340
I think is of importance to is that even though there's

2188
01:50:54,340 --> 01:50:59,279
green space on the northern end of their property. I'm

2189
01:50:59,279 --> 01:51:03,840
wondering what the lighting situation would be like. Right

2190
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:03,840
now we all enjoy very dark backyards which is which is nice

2191
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:03,840
.

2192
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:09,199
I'm wondering if they might be able to address or, or the

2193
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:13,840
concern of lighting up the backyards a little bit too much.

2194
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,840
If they do have lighting back there whatsoever.

2195
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:21,369
A couple questions for you. Commissioner Alice. Thank you,

2196
01:51:21,369 --> 01:51:23,979
Chair. Thank you for bringing your concerns up I think my

2197
01:51:23,979 --> 01:51:26,449
question might be for staff I had the same thought you did

2198
01:51:26,449 --> 01:51:28,979
with regard to the dumpsters and their location and the

2199
01:51:28,979 --> 01:51:29,840
conceptual plan.

2200
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:36,329
And I believe this is to be addressed at site pant plan

2201
01:51:36,329 --> 01:51:39,840
approval if I am correct.

2202
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:43,010
Excellent so that is to be brought up then and will

2203
01:51:43,010 --> 01:51:46,199
hopefully be addressed because I agree I don't like the

2204
01:51:46,199 --> 01:51:47,840
location of it at all.

2205
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,840
It's very close.

2206
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,840
The question has been removed so that's.

2207
01:51:53,840 --> 01:52:20,060
Commissioner back. Thank you, Chair, Julie, could you come

2208
01:52:20,060 --> 01:52:20,380
up and kind of explain the city of the requirements about

2209
01:52:20,380 --> 01:52:20,840
lighting and something like this to allow changes concerns.

2210
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:25,210
So chapter 13 outlines the requirements for lighting at the

2211
01:52:25,210 --> 01:52:29,130
property line light may may not measure more than one half

2212
01:52:29,130 --> 01:52:33,260
foot candle of illumination, unless it's a pedestrian area

2213
01:52:33,260 --> 01:52:37,439
in that back property, the northern property line wouldn't

2214
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,840
be a pedestrian area so they couldn't measure more than one

2215
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:44,500
half foot candle and it would also have to be shielded for

2216
01:52:44,500 --> 01:52:47,840
upward diffusion to minimize that as well.

2217
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,840
Okay, thank you.

2218
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,609
I guess I should say a photo metric plan is reviewed at

2219
01:52:54,609 --> 01:52:57,649
building permits to ensure that that is the requirements

2220
01:52:57,649 --> 01:53:01,010
met right we'll be looking at in greater detail later.

2221
01:53:01,010 --> 01:53:01,840
Thanks.

2222
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,699
Commissioner result you have a question I don't know if it

2223
01:53:04,699 --> 01:53:05,840
'd be for staff or.

2224
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,840
Yeah, it's for Julie thanks chair.

2225
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,630
Can you help us with this process a little bit is there a

2226
01:53:12,630 --> 01:53:16,170
way to put in a request to have these dual dumpsters

2227
01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:20,060
already address a plot or is it going to be on us that when

2228
01:53:20,060 --> 01:53:21,840
a plaque comes back.

2229
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:25,170
We bring it up and correct it at that time is there any way

2230
01:53:25,170 --> 01:53:28,609
to be proactive in that filing or or us just encourage the

2231
01:53:28,609 --> 01:53:31,989
applicant to make that change when bringing to plot what

2232
01:53:31,989 --> 01:53:35,840
can we do to, because that is a less than ideal location.

2233
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:40,180
Certainly, so if the, if the SUP if the zoning and SUP are

2234
01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:44,529
approved by Council, then a plot would be approved by the

2235
01:53:44,529 --> 01:53:49,159
planning and zoning Commission, but the dumpster location

2236
01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:53,470
wouldn't be reflected on that plot so and then the site

2237
01:53:53,470 --> 01:53:55,989
plan and building permit would be staff level approved so

2238
01:53:55,989 --> 01:53:59,380
you wouldn't necessarily see that dumpster location so if

2239
01:53:59,380 --> 01:54:01,840
that is something that you wanted to add as a condition

2240
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,270
that or, you know, bring that up as a condition it

2241
01:54:04,270 --> 01:54:04,840
certainly serves that purpose.

2242
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:08,319
If that's a condition it's certainly something that you

2243
01:54:08,319 --> 01:54:11,949
could address at this time, but there wouldn't be a future

2244
01:54:11,949 --> 01:54:15,600
opportunity to discuss that that location, other than it

2245
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,840
staff approved at staff level.

2246
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:18,840
Thank you.

2247
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:20,840
Yes, thank you.

2248
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:21,840
Commissioner Smith.

2249
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:22,840
Thank you, chair.

2250
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:27,250
So you said dumpsters in the location, but commercial

2251
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:32,279
commercial properties and their dumpsters users, next to

2252
01:54:32,279 --> 01:54:35,840
that but a residential users own property.

2253
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,840
Their DDC code for that or is there.

2254
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,220
They would just have to meet buffer requirements. What's

2255
01:54:41,220 --> 01:54:44,319
the buffer requirements we know that that well if I believe

2256
01:54:44,319 --> 01:54:47,430
the commercial against single family residential is the 15

2257
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:50,250
foot landscape buffer so it would be that landscape buffer

2258
01:54:50,250 --> 01:54:51,840
and then I think six trees and a certain number of shrubs

2259
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,220
of 15 of landscape buffer so it's something that we could

2260
01:54:55,220 --> 01:54:58,449
as we go to vote on this EP. We could say it's a 15 we

2261
01:54:58,449 --> 01:55:01,840
think that it should be 30 or something like that.

2262
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,840
You could certainly address that location and in some form.

2263
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,220
Yes, more or less just want to know what it was now I want

2264
01:55:08,220 --> 01:55:10,840
to say let's do 15 and it's all it's already 15.

2265
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,840
Right now it's 10 right now they have it at 10.

2266
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,840
Okay.

2267
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:18,840
Commissioner Alice.

2268
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,010
Thank you at this point I think my questions for the

2269
01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:22,840
applicant.

2270
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:27,689
Regarding this dumpster location. Is there another location

2271
01:55:27,689 --> 01:55:31,619
that it could be on the site plan for the applicant, you

2272
01:55:31,619 --> 01:55:34,840
address your question to the applicant.

2273
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:39,770
Yeah, I'm assuming that perhaps it's here because that's

2274
01:55:39,770 --> 01:55:44,689
where it made sense to you as, is there another location it

2275
01:55:44,689 --> 01:55:45,840
could go.

2276
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:51,090
So the dumpster can be located anywhere on site as long as

2277
01:55:51,090 --> 01:55:56,439
it has adequate access for waste management so a dumpster

2278
01:55:56,439 --> 01:56:01,899
that is believe it's 14 foot by 22 feet dual dumpster has

2279
01:56:01,899 --> 01:56:06,909
to have 50 feet of clearance behind it so the way that we

2280
01:56:06,909 --> 01:56:11,840
reason why we placed it where we did, which actually

2281
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,770
is, is 10 feet off of the property line was because the

2282
01:56:14,770 --> 01:56:17,609
waste management would be able to work its way up through

2283
01:56:17,609 --> 01:56:20,369
grab that dumpster come back through and then loop back

2284
01:56:20,369 --> 01:56:23,010
back around I guess I can use the mouse as opposed to my

2285
01:56:23,010 --> 01:56:23,840
fingers.

2286
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,220
So to come up, it would hit that dumpster come back and

2287
01:56:26,220 --> 01:56:29,220
then would come back out the site. So we could locate that

2288
01:56:29,220 --> 01:56:33,279
somewhere else as long as the 50 foot and the 50 foot would

2289
01:56:33,279 --> 01:56:36,689
be roughly see if that's so many foot it'd be roughly about

2290
01:56:36,689 --> 01:56:37,840
down to here.

2291
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:41,060
So as we rotate that you have to keep in mind that that the

2292
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:44,420
dumpster itself is not the only part that has to rotate you

2293
01:56:44,420 --> 01:56:47,779
have to have that access or else waste management will not

2294
01:56:47,779 --> 01:56:48,840
accept that.

2295
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:52,720
So we could relocate it out into the middle of somewhere or

2296
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:56,180
pull it off but I mean now you're talking additional

2297
01:56:56,180 --> 01:56:59,810
concrete additional pavement for something of just

2298
01:56:59,810 --> 01:57:01,840
providing the dumpster.

2299
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:07,840
This dumpster here is in close proximity, close enough

2300
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:14,090
proximity to the apartments that we felt that it was viable

2301
01:57:14,090 --> 01:57:16,840
to to locate it there.

2302
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:19,579
We typically do not like to try to put dumpsters in the

2303
01:57:19,579 --> 01:57:22,460
front of the development as you have to screen that from

2304
01:57:22,460 --> 01:57:25,380
the right of way so as traffic drives along the road you do

2305
01:57:25,380 --> 01:57:28,319
not want to be able to look into as you're driving your car

2306
01:57:28,319 --> 01:57:30,840
look into a development see dumpster.

2307
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,649
We understand that we do have to provide gates doors were

2308
01:57:34,649 --> 01:57:38,529
not to prevent those dumpster from being readily seeable

2309
01:57:38,529 --> 01:57:41,840
but being honest they're not always closed.

2310
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,840
So, we do like to screen those.

2311
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:46,869
We typically try to put them behind building or towards the

2312
01:57:46,869 --> 01:57:49,939
back of a development. So that is the reason for this, this

2313
01:57:49,939 --> 01:57:52,840
SCP putting it in the back of the development.

2314
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:58,840
During the site plan phase we will be locking that down.

2315
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:03,159
And I understand typically that is where you'd have it but

2316
01:58:03,159 --> 01:58:07,119
that is where we have our current residents of single

2317
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:10,720
family property so it is less than ideal if it was

2318
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:15,130
something that was this commissioners pleasure to want to

2319
01:58:15,130 --> 01:58:19,239
to change and make it conditional upon approval today would

2320
01:58:19,239 --> 01:58:21,840
that be something that you would entertain.

2321
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:26,609
We would definitely entertain relocating the dumpster and

2322
01:58:26,609 --> 01:58:29,840
working with city staff to to do that.

2323
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:34,739
We will have to look at possible locations for that again

2324
01:58:34,739 --> 01:58:40,069
we are trying to preserve the trees preserve the atmosphere

2325
01:58:40,069 --> 01:58:41,840
for that open space.

2326
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:47,449
Playground kind of area in the middle between the buildings

2327
01:58:47,449 --> 01:58:47,840
.

2328
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,340
So we don't want to locate it in the middle of the property

2329
01:58:51,340 --> 01:58:54,689
we're trying to avoid that so we could try to put it down

2330
01:58:54,689 --> 01:58:58,260
in the West property line or towards the West, hearing to

2331
01:58:58,260 --> 01:59:00,840
the fire lane radius on a 20 foot.

2332
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,840
You're getting.

2333
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:08,479
We've been willing to look into relocating it where we're

2334
01:59:08,479 --> 01:59:11,890
ultimately will go it looks as though we have to do some

2335
01:59:11,890 --> 01:59:15,550
geometric changing to the roads into the parking in order

2336
01:59:15,550 --> 01:59:17,840
to to fit that somewhere else.

2337
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:22,970
But we are more than willing to to look in to that, for

2338
01:59:22,970 --> 01:59:23,840
sure.

2339
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:27,729
The question on the trash bins that all gets reviewed by

2340
01:59:27,729 --> 01:59:31,869
the solid waste department at ultimately they're going to

2341
01:59:31,869 --> 01:59:35,840
be the ones that are going to say we can get trucks in.

2342
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,420
And I don't know if the commission would be willing to to

2343
01:59:39,420 --> 01:59:43,180
give staff development review committee staff like we do a

2344
01:59:43,180 --> 01:59:44,840
lot of other things.

2345
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:48,039
I think the concern has been raised by the residents I

2346
01:59:48,039 --> 01:59:51,609
think obviously commission responded to it it's a concern

2347
01:59:51,609 --> 01:59:54,630
that we could just say we had over to to DRC as it gets

2348
01:59:54,630 --> 01:59:58,189
through the moves through planning and site plan for that

2349
01:59:58,189 --> 02:00:00,840
to be addressed and taken care of and not try to put

2350
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:04,609
something on arbitrarily that then solid waste doesn't work

2351
02:00:04,609 --> 02:00:04,840
.

2352
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:07,859
So I think that's one of the things that it has to come

2353
02:00:07,859 --> 02:00:11,159
back possibly and just put it in your good hands that it's

2354
02:00:11,159 --> 02:00:14,399
a concern has been noted and we need to address it and and

2355
02:00:14,399 --> 02:00:17,810
handling staff level and all the places where that would

2356
02:00:17,810 --> 02:00:18,840
take place.

2357
02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:22,840
It can be handled at staff level or the S.U.P. Yes sir.

2358
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:24,840
Okay.

2359
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:28,899
So that the condition could be a certain number of feet

2360
02:00:28,899 --> 02:00:33,239
from existing residents, so that they could use that as a

2361
02:00:33,239 --> 02:00:37,949
guideline to say if it's 30 foot easement or, you know,

2362
02:00:37,949 --> 02:00:40,840
from existing residents that way.

2363
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:45,840
They've got the latitude to put it anywhere along that arc.

2364
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:49,770
You know where the truck would be going anyway to get in

2365
02:00:49,770 --> 02:00:53,970
and out of the apartment complex. So by giving a minimum

2366
02:00:53,970 --> 02:00:58,359
footage from existing residents within allow them more lee

2367
02:00:58,359 --> 02:01:02,329
way to put it someplace and at the same time, make it go

2368
02:01:02,329 --> 02:01:04,840
pathetic with waste management.

2369
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:08,720
That's the solution. If the commission wanted to structure

2370
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:12,079
some sort of condition in that way that that certainly

2371
02:01:12,079 --> 02:01:15,930
could be something you could a way to approach the issue.

2372
02:01:15,930 --> 02:01:17,840
Yes sir. Thank you.

2373
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:22,180
Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah, I just wanted to say, I agree

2374
02:01:22,180 --> 02:01:26,840
with Jim basically, I hate to tie their hands.

2375
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:38,210
I think if we start putting all these, what do you call it,

2376
02:01:38,210 --> 02:01:41,510
just if we start tying your hands, then we don't really

2377
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:44,590
know what's going on up there until you start taking

2378
02:01:44,590 --> 02:01:48,840
measurements and figuring out, let you all figure it out.

2379
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:54,840
And I think that would be the best. That's the way I feel.

2380
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:59,369
I don't want to tie anybody's hands and then we end up with

2381
02:01:59,369 --> 02:02:03,840
a bigger problem than we have right now.

2382
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:08,069
As, because you also have to, like you said, consider the

2383
02:02:08,069 --> 02:02:10,840
tenants, how far they have to walk.

2384
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:14,810
There's a big, a much bigger picture than just moving a

2385
02:02:14,810 --> 02:02:18,779
dumpster. There's a lot of other considerations which we

2386
02:02:18,779 --> 02:02:21,840
probably haven't even discussed here today.

2387
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:27,319
As far as I'm concerned, I think that's just leave it up to

2388
02:02:27,319 --> 02:02:29,840
you all to figure it out.

2389
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:33,840
Seeing questions at this time. Thank you, Julie.

2390
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:38,960
This is a public hearing. Anyone who wants to speak on this

2391
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:42,840
item, please come forward at this time.

2392
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:49,140
We have some cards that were handed in. Make sure I get the

2393
02:02:49,140 --> 02:02:51,840
right item.

2394
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:58,609
We had Bernie Carr, 1717 Boy Street was opposed, mostly in

2395
02:02:58,609 --> 02:03:01,840
regards to rainwater runoff.

2396
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:07,979
We also had Nancy Jordan, 805 Windsor was opposed to the

2397
02:03:07,979 --> 02:03:10,840
request, no reason given.

2398
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:16,840
We have James Adams, 1518 Seminole, opposed request.

2399
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:23,840
Too many apartments were in it already, traffic.

2400
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:30,510
We have Mary Richter, 1502 Pertain Street, in favor of

2401
02:03:30,510 --> 02:03:31,840
request.

2402
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:36,840
That's all the cards that we have on this item.

2403
02:03:36,840 --> 02:03:40,100
This is a public hearing. Anyone who would like to speak on

2404
02:03:40,100 --> 02:03:42,840
this item, please come forward at this time.

2405
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:46,180
Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing and open the

2406
02:03:46,180 --> 02:03:50,409
floor for discussion or a motion in regards to, this will

2407
02:03:50,409 --> 02:03:58,840
be the, I believe, rezone only.

2408
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:01,840
Commissioner Beck.

2409
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:06,840
Thank you, Chair. I think this would apply to rezone only.

2410
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:11,250
I like this development. I think it does a lot of positive

2411
02:04:11,250 --> 02:04:16,279
things that reduces the idea of apartments being near

2412
02:04:16,279 --> 02:04:17,840
residential settings.

2413
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:21,180
What I want to just bring out as a matter of public record

2414
02:04:21,180 --> 02:04:24,149
is really for the staff, engineering on the road, the

2415
02:04:24,149 --> 02:04:27,840
concern about Mingo Road down the road.

2416
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,710
I realize that a lot is not going to change real quick the

2417
02:04:30,710 --> 02:04:34,359
way we'd like it. We're not going to see a four-lane Mingo

2418
02:04:34,359 --> 02:04:35,840
Road anytime soon.

2419
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,010
But as I mentioned in the work session, there is a

2420
02:04:39,010 --> 02:04:42,289
curvature along Mingo there that you've got a shorter

2421
02:04:42,289 --> 02:04:46,199
visual of the means of ingress and egress for the

2422
02:04:46,199 --> 02:04:49,840
apartments as you're heading southwest, I guess it is,

2423
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:51,840
towards the square.

2424
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:56,460
So something for the staff to consider, something cheap too

2425
02:04:56,460 --> 02:05:00,890
, would be a flashing yellow light with a sign warning that

2426
02:05:00,890 --> 02:05:04,949
they're approaching such an area and just serve as a

2427
02:05:04,949 --> 02:05:05,840
caution.

2428
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:09,779
Another suggestion would be to provide a, I think some of

2429
02:05:09,779 --> 02:05:13,560
them call it an accelerator lane, I call it an emerging

2430
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:17,529
lane where when people pull out of the apartments heading

2431
02:05:17,529 --> 02:05:21,840
again southwest towards the square, there would be a lane

2432
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:25,829
juxtaposed next to the existing Mingo Road where they would

2433
02:05:25,829 --> 02:05:29,140
have time to gradually build up speed and fit in to offset

2434
02:05:29,140 --> 02:05:32,000
the possibility of somebody barreling down Mingo Road about

2435
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,840
50, 60 mile an hour, which will happen some of the times.

2436
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:39,079
And creating a problem. So it's an issue that as this thing

2437
02:05:39,079 --> 02:05:43,079
progresses and moves forward, I would like to hopefully,

2438
02:05:43,079 --> 02:05:47,239
you know, just, you know, for the record, point out that we

2439
02:05:47,239 --> 02:05:50,840
do have an issue with Mingo and hope that there are some

2440
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,840
ideas and plans ahead to deal with this.

2441
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:57,840
Thank you.

2442
02:05:57,840 --> 02:05:59,840
Commissioner Sanchez.

2443
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,840
Make a motion.

2444
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:06,000
Can I make a motion at this point, you certainly. Okay, I'd

2445
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:12,840
like to make a motion to accept agenda item z 17 dash 0012

2446
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:15,840
to approve to approve it. Yes.

2447
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:19,840
You have any conditions for the conditions already.

2448
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:23,840
They automatically are included right.

2449
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:28,840
Any conditions.

2450
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:34,439
There's no conditions with this approved zoning clean as is

2451
02:06:34,439 --> 02:06:34,840
.

2452
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:35,840
Okay.

2453
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:38,840
Commissioner Smith. I second.

2454
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:44,829
We have a first and a second for approval. Any further

2455
02:06:44,829 --> 02:06:47,840
discussion.

2456
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:55,840
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on board.

2457
02:06:55,840 --> 02:07:06,840
The motion is going to pass seven zero.

2458
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:11,020
On to our next item. I'm going to open the public hearing

2459
02:07:11,020 --> 02:07:15,899
for item G s 17 dash 0006 and call on Julie assumed since

2460
02:07:15,899 --> 02:07:20,090
we've already done the presentation will just say that's

2461
02:07:20,090 --> 02:07:24,069
the presentation and move on to anyone who would like to

2462
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:25,840
speak on this item.

2463
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:29,840
I'm going to handle that.

2464
02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:33,130
I provided the presentation prior to so if there's any

2465
02:07:33,130 --> 02:07:36,869
other questions I'll be happy to answer them for the SUV.

2466
02:07:36,869 --> 02:07:39,840
Otherwise, thank you for clarifying.

2467
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:44,329
This is a public hearing, anyone who would like to speak on

2468
02:07:44,329 --> 02:07:48,840
this item, please come forward at this time I did have some

2469
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:50,840
cards on this as well.

2470
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:55,840
Okay, so I have one coming forward.

2471
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:00,550
I have the same speakers are same card submitters. Bernie

2472
02:08:00,550 --> 02:08:04,840
car 1717 Boyd was opposed.

2473
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:10,840
Have

2474
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:17,840
James Adams 1518 seminal opposed.

2475
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:23,210
Mr. 15 or two pertains street in favor and same reasons

2476
02:08:23,210 --> 02:08:27,840
given on each is what was given the previous item.

2477
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:31,680
And this is a public hearing anyone who would like to speak

2478
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:34,840
on this item please come forward this time.

2479
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:37,840
Seeing none of close the public hearing.

2480
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:42,090
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. So there's been some

2481
02:08:42,090 --> 02:08:45,869
discussion on our consensus about making an amendment for

2482
02:08:45,869 --> 02:08:48,840
the condition in regards to the dumpster.

2483
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:53,859
So, my understanding there's some that are thinking certain

2484
02:08:53,859 --> 02:08:57,840
footage away from the single family property.

2485
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:02,989
There are some, just to clarify I guess what legal and what

2486
02:09:02,989 --> 02:09:07,279
Jim has mentioned some saying, do we need to put a

2487
02:09:07,279 --> 02:09:12,619
condition in there stating, let the city staff discuss that

2488
02:09:12,619 --> 02:09:17,210
and then bring it back to us at plotting what is the was

2489
02:09:17,210 --> 02:09:17,840
the discussion on that and how

2490
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:28,840
should we proceed there.

2491
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:34,710
And that was gonna be my comment is, you wouldn't have to

2492
02:09:34,710 --> 02:09:40,390
place a condition for staff to address site plan issues, we

2493
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:42,840
're going to see it anyways and have a discussion.

2494
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:43,840
Correct.

2495
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,439
Okay, make sure it just as a point of order in the staff

2496
02:09:47,439 --> 02:09:52,069
recommendation. There is a condition, and it talks about a

2497
02:09:52,069 --> 02:09:56,949
full site plan submittals will be required so that might be

2498
02:09:56,949 --> 02:10:00,920
something that would make the commission feel well that

2499
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:02,840
staff has to review that.

2500
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:04,840
So, thank you, Chair.

2501
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:05,840
Commissioner back.

2502
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:09,220
Thank you, Chair, I just want to thank everybody came down

2503
02:10:09,220 --> 02:10:12,149
tonight speak officially the residents in the area

2504
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:16,930
appreciate your input. And I realized that there were more

2505
02:10:16,930 --> 02:10:19,819
pose and there were for it and the fact that we so far have

2506
02:10:19,819 --> 02:10:23,840
voted to approve the zone change I want you to take heart

2507
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:23,840
in the

2508
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:27,100
fact that we do so with the idea in mind that this, this

2509
02:10:27,100 --> 02:10:30,479
particular development is probably going to be the most

2510
02:10:30,479 --> 02:10:33,869
amenable to that area I think it's standpointed out that

2511
02:10:33,869 --> 02:10:37,250
track the land is not going to be so to developers going to

2512
02:10:37,250 --> 02:10:39,840
build single family home so these apartments,

2513
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:43,130
the way they're designed with the preserving trees, the set

2514
02:10:43,130 --> 02:10:46,439
backs and everything, I think we're going to meet your needs

2515
02:10:46,439 --> 02:10:49,630
not going to devalue property, and we're going to watch it

2516
02:10:49,630 --> 02:10:52,630
closely as it moves forward to this thing does have to go

2517
02:10:52,630 --> 02:10:54,840
into city council be approved so this is

2518
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:56,840
not the last step.

2519
02:10:56,840 --> 02:11:00,199
But if it gets passed into, then when it when they bring it

2520
02:11:00,199 --> 02:11:03,630
back to us for site plan. That's when we'll start scrutin

2521
02:11:03,630 --> 02:11:07,060
izing things like the dumpster and everything we have your

2522
02:11:07,060 --> 02:11:10,430
concerns in mind, and we'll move this thing forward with

2523
02:11:10,430 --> 02:11:10,840
those considerations

2524
02:11:10,840 --> 02:11:14,729
in mind. So, with that, somebody's already going to make a

2525
02:11:14,729 --> 02:11:15,840
motion to move.

2526
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:17,840
Thank you.

2527
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:18,840
Commissioner Smith.

2528
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:25,979
Make a motion to approve as as 17 dash six, accepting the

2529
02:11:25,979 --> 02:11:28,840
city staffs conditions.

2530
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,829
Commissioner Roselle. Thank you, Chair. I am going to

2531
02:11:31,829 --> 02:11:35,729
second this but I also wanted to agree with Commissioner Be

2532
02:11:35,729 --> 02:11:39,930
cks points. It's, it's invaluable for citizens come down and

2533
02:11:39,930 --> 02:11:43,829
fill out cards and talk and be here late nights with us and

2534
02:11:43,829 --> 02:11:45,840
so I thank you for coming out.

2535
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:48,699
We did receive a letter from Marie Butler I don't think she

2536
02:11:48,699 --> 02:11:51,680
's here tonight, but we did receive her letter, all of us

2537
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:54,529
did and take that consideration as well and so hopefully

2538
02:11:54,529 --> 02:11:57,840
the commission has been entirely thoughtful on this I think

2539
02:11:57,840 --> 02:11:59,840
it is a good project.

2540
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:03,350
It is like Commissioner Beck said the most amenable, and it

2541
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:06,720
seems as though from from the presentations tonight that

2542
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:10,020
the developer tried more than than others to reach out to

2543
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:13,619
citizens with neighborhood meetings and actually take that

2544
02:12:13,619 --> 02:12:16,420
feedback and change their design which I think is is

2545
02:12:16,420 --> 02:12:16,840
unusual and appreciated

2546
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:20,319
so with that I'm going to second this and hope the project

2547
02:12:20,319 --> 02:12:22,840
is a great fit for that neighborhood.

2548
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:27,140
Okay. We have a first and a second for approval with the

2549
02:12:27,140 --> 02:12:30,840
staff condition attached to that approval.

2550
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:31,840
Commissioner Ellis.

2551
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:33,840
Thank you, Chair.

2552
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:36,420
Just just wanted to basically get our record to say I do

2553
02:12:36,420 --> 02:12:38,930
support this I think it makes sense for this particular

2554
02:12:38,930 --> 02:12:39,840
track of land.

2555
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:43,010
I do appreciate the developer having the neighborhood

2556
02:12:43,010 --> 02:12:45,979
meetings the two that you've had already and my hope is

2557
02:12:45,979 --> 02:12:49,279
that as the project moves forward, that you continue the

2558
02:12:49,279 --> 02:12:52,000
discussion with the community I think that that is

2559
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:56,840
invaluable to to us as a city to continue that so thank you

2560
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:58,840
.

2561
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:02,260
I'm like a comment, I'm going to support this as well and I

2562
02:13:02,260 --> 02:13:05,699
know there's some concerns about traffic and based on the

2563
02:13:05,699 --> 02:13:08,930
traffic criteria manual that we've talked about this

2564
02:13:08,930 --> 02:13:11,920
evening. I think we're less than a third of what is even

2565
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:17,380
the trigger for TIA so certainly my opinion, I doubt there

2566
02:13:17,380 --> 02:13:19,840
'll be any improvements made out of me go because of that,

2567
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:23,359
it doesn't even, even third of what even would be required

2568
02:13:23,359 --> 02:13:26,659
to even study the area so my assumption is that we vote on

2569
02:13:26,659 --> 02:13:29,939
this is the mingo will stay the way it is based on the size

2570
02:13:29,939 --> 02:13:34,090
of the complex because it's, although for you all as a

2571
02:13:34,090 --> 02:13:36,979
neighborhood is a large complex from what's been there in

2572
02:13:36,979 --> 02:13:41,359
comparison to 200 or 300 or greater size unit that may come

2573
02:13:41,359 --> 02:13:45,840
before us it is a fairly small compact multifamily site,

2574
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:49,079
two story versus three or four even taller on some of the

2575
02:13:49,079 --> 02:13:52,239
other ones that do come before us so I know it is going to

2576
02:13:52,239 --> 02:13:55,840
be different than what you're accustomed to looking at, but

2577
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:59,079
it is fairly small in size into comparison to a lot of the

2578
02:13:59,079 --> 02:14:02,890
units that are complexes that come before us so with that I

2579
02:14:02,890 --> 02:14:05,840
'm going to support the motion.

2580
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:16,329
Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah, I would like to say, I'm also

2581
02:14:16,329 --> 02:14:17,159
going to support it, and I appreciate what the builders

2582
02:14:17,159 --> 02:14:18,000
doing the meetings he's had. I think that that goes a long

2583
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:18,840
way with with the neighbors.

2584
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:24,840
And so I just want to say that I'm going to support it.

2585
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:27,840
Any other comments.

2586
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:34,789
Okay, we have a first and a second for approval with staff

2587
02:14:34,789 --> 02:14:39,840
condition and call for a vote on the board.

2588
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:42,840
Motion is going to carry seven to zero.

2589
02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:45,840
Thank you all for coming out this evening.

2590
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:53,279
That will move us to our final item on our agenda tonight,

2591
02:14:53,279 --> 02:14:55,840
our project matrix.

2592
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:57,840
Commissioner Roselle.

2593
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:01,880
Thank you, Chair. Unfortunately, I was not at last meeting

2594
02:15:01,880 --> 02:15:05,899
and my item here coordinate with rezoning committee to

2595
02:15:05,899 --> 02:15:08,840
align future land use to zoning map.

2596
02:15:08,840 --> 02:15:12,840
It says see memo dated November 29.

2597
02:15:12,840 --> 02:15:14,939
Is there a way I can get that memo is that in the agenda

2598
02:15:14,939 --> 02:15:15,840
from last time or.

2599
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:19,000
Absolutely, we'll make sure it's email to you tomorrow.

2600
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:22,119
Okay, perfect. The only other thing I had is, I had an item

2601
02:15:22,119 --> 02:15:25,100
, a long time ago and it's actually still here it's second

2602
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:26,840
to the last but sidewalks.

2603
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:31,470
And I kind of want to follow up on. There are some streets

2604
02:15:31,470 --> 02:15:35,680
in town that needs sidewalks. What is the per se I would

2605
02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:39,930
like to know what the procedure is I'm thinking

2606
02:15:39,930 --> 02:15:41,840
specifically of scripture.

2607
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:44,520
There's a lot of traffic there from the apartment complex

2608
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:47,130
and one about to go in and there's no sidewalk. It seems

2609
02:15:47,130 --> 02:15:50,270
like dangerous. I just didn't know the process of the city

2610
02:15:50,270 --> 02:15:51,840
looking proactively.

2611
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:54,819
If there's not a capital improvement for that road, if

2612
02:15:54,819 --> 02:15:57,850
there is other opportunities to seek adding some safety

2613
02:15:57,850 --> 02:16:01,010
precautions to roadways, if there's a way I could get some

2614
02:16:01,010 --> 02:16:03,840
more information about that, I'd be really helpful.

2615
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:06,699
What I'll do is for the for the next meeting. I'll prepare

2616
02:16:06,699 --> 02:16:09,640
a memo for you both on addressing scripture and then just

2617
02:16:09,640 --> 02:16:13,739
overall how sidewalks are required. That'd be great. Thank

2618
02:16:13,739 --> 02:16:14,840
you.

2619
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:17,840
Commissioner back. Thank you, Chair.

2620
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:21,569
Something that I brought up way back. I don't even think it

2621
02:16:21,569 --> 02:16:25,060
's on the matrix anymore but I think it got. It was a good

2622
02:16:25,060 --> 02:16:28,560
idea at the time and then it became taboo but any chance of

2623
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:32,459
addressing eliminating the parking minimums for commercial

2624
02:16:32,459 --> 02:16:33,840
developments.

2625
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:37,469
Plus is to that for both the developer and citizens and

2626
02:16:37,469 --> 02:16:41,479
didn't not sure why. All of a sudden, it took on the boogie

2627
02:16:41,479 --> 02:16:45,370
man row but leaving it up to the developer to determine how

2628
02:16:45,370 --> 02:16:48,940
many parking places they need instead of requiring a

2629
02:16:48,940 --> 02:16:52,620
minimum would open up a lot of space and some of these

2630
02:16:52,620 --> 02:16:56,629
larger developments where we could put some green spaces or

2631
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:59,409
some smaller commercial interest a little kiosk stuff like

2632
02:16:59,409 --> 02:16:59,840
that.

2633
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:03,309
Is there a chance of getting that put back on the matrix

2634
02:17:03,309 --> 02:17:04,840
for consideration.

2635
02:17:04,840 --> 02:17:09,620
As a matter of fact, yeah. I mean, yes, we're looking there

2636
02:17:09,620 --> 02:17:13,639
there was a commission request where we're currently

2637
02:17:13,639 --> 02:17:16,840
working on a memo with respect to all parking.

2638
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:20,469
I think that's going to be the single again it's multifac

2639
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:24,100
eted because they're so it's it's really I was called the

2640
02:17:24,100 --> 02:17:27,690
silent regulator because you can't really do anything

2641
02:17:27,690 --> 02:17:29,840
unless you have parking.

2642
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:33,799
Right. And you almost hold people hostage with what they

2643
02:17:33,799 --> 02:17:37,600
can do even really better their property. And so we're

2644
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:41,760
looking at that now and sort of everything related to that.

2645
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:45,329
And then I think you'll see that as part of the as part of

2646
02:17:45,329 --> 02:17:46,840
the DDC update.

2647
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:50,719
Is like the big development areas where you get the big box

2648
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:54,620
stores and raise a ranch shows a bunch of this where you've

2649
02:17:54,620 --> 02:17:58,149
got all this parking and most of the time that you know

2650
02:17:58,149 --> 02:18:01,940
there's a large percentage is just not you may have a

2651
02:18:01,940 --> 02:18:05,989
Christmas and the special days but that's just a lot of

2652
02:18:05,989 --> 02:18:06,840
wasted space.

2653
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:10,010
And that's a cost to the developer to that you know

2654
02:18:10,010 --> 02:18:13,239
surprisingly I'd be, you know, see eliminated I know most

2655
02:18:13,239 --> 02:18:16,629
of the time I'm tagging on calls for developers but this is

2656
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:19,950
one that could be eliminated so good I'm glad it's back on

2657
02:18:19,950 --> 02:18:22,840
and look forward to hearing what you have to say about it.

2658
02:18:22,840 --> 02:18:25,120
Thank you. I'm going to tag on before I recognize

2659
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:29,049
commissioners. Will that parking memo also address maximums

2660
02:18:29,049 --> 02:18:32,030
as well. It's bringing up that the whole discussion is to

2661
02:18:32,030 --> 02:18:34,840
whether whether or not part we should really still consider

2662
02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:35,840
parking maximums.

2663
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,700
Or whether that should be you know most of the time you see

2664
02:18:38,700 --> 02:18:41,729
it for really a specific at least what I'm familiar with a

2665
02:18:41,729 --> 02:18:45,309
specific area. So whether or not we want to discourage

2666
02:18:45,309 --> 02:18:48,950
discourage car vehicular traffic and promote more of a

2667
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:53,200
pedestrian environment around around the campus or within

2668
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:55,829
downtown, then yes maybe it makes sense to put parking

2669
02:18:55,829 --> 02:19:00,840
maximums in, but to do it citywide, maybe not.

2670
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:05,840
Commissioner Sanchez.

2671
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:13,340
I also wanted to address the parking. You know there seems

2672
02:19:13,340 --> 02:19:20,540
like there's a lot of right around the downtown area there

2673
02:19:20,540 --> 02:19:27,590
seems to be a lot of new apartments in those streets, you

2674
02:19:27,590 --> 02:19:31,840
just already can get through.

2675
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:35,840
I'm sorry.

2676
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:39,420
Once it gets finalized I'll make sure that it's it's sent

2677
02:19:39,420 --> 02:19:42,479
to the board or the commission I'm sorry to look at

2678
02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:46,219
engineering is is in the process of updating their, their

2679
02:19:46,219 --> 02:19:48,840
transportation criteria manual.

2680
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:51,979
And then also looking at just sort of differently looking

2681
02:19:51,979 --> 02:19:53,799
at context sensitive corridors is kind of a term that's

2682
02:19:53,799 --> 02:20:02,840
used where it may incorporate a lot of different things.

2683
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:19,159
And so that that's sort of in the works now. But as it's

2684
02:20:19,159 --> 02:20:20,940
getting finalized I'll make sure that it's that everyone

2685
02:20:20,940 --> 02:20:21,840
here has a copy of that.

2686
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:22,840
Commissioner Smith.

2687
02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:23,049
Thank you chair. You just mentioned it. I think feel like

2688
02:20:23,049 --> 02:20:23,250
the last four or five commission meetings we've had

2689
02:20:23,250 --> 02:20:23,469
something bike related has come up anytime there's any type

2690
02:20:23,469 --> 02:20:23,700
of multifamily of budding any type of single family, or any

2691
02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:23,920
type of multifamily development at all, bikes are brought

2692
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:24,129
up, we keep talking and hearing city staff talk about the

2693
02:20:24,129 --> 02:20:24,340
bike mobility plan is there any way we don't necessarily

2694
02:20:24,340 --> 02:20:24,840
have a presentation on it, but something just kind of

2695
02:20:24,840 --> 02:20:45,850
as an addendum a memo some of it we can we can add it to

2696
02:20:45,850 --> 02:20:52,840
the city plan.

2697
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:55,680
Just as an addendum a memo some of it we can we can include

2698
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:58,559
the next backup we keep on file so we can just see what the

2699
02:20:58,559 --> 02:21:01,549
city's bike mobility plan is for the future so we just have

2700
02:21:01,549 --> 02:21:03,840
it to reference for future projects.

2701
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:07,840
I will I will make sure that it again that's included with.

2702
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:10,110
I'll just, I'll do another it'll probably just be a simple

2703
02:21:10,110 --> 02:21:12,350
little cover memo but I'll make sure everybody everybody

2704
02:21:12,350 --> 02:21:14,549
has that prior to the next meeting just just so you have it

2705
02:21:14,549 --> 02:21:14,840
.

2706
02:21:14,840 --> 02:21:16,840
Yeah, thank you.

2707
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:22,840
I just wanted to add one as well.

2708
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:47,879
There's several months about traffic with projects. And I

2709
02:21:47,879 --> 02:21:48,389
think it'd probably be helpful for all of us as commission

2710
02:21:48,389 --> 02:21:48,909
ers maybe in work session to have some background from staff

2711
02:21:48,909 --> 02:21:49,450
about at what point is it a development's responsibility to

2712
02:21:49,450 --> 02:21:49,840
do improvements.

2713
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,420
A lot of these questions were still going to have to deal

2714
02:21:52,420 --> 02:21:54,500
with a lot of that with the public but I think as a

2715
02:21:54,500 --> 02:21:56,840
commission it would help us all understand.

2716
02:21:56,840 --> 02:22:00,729
Well at this point, the developer has to do something

2717
02:22:00,729 --> 02:22:04,159
otherwise. This is city's responsibility and they are the

2718
02:22:04,159 --> 02:22:06,889
ones that take care of it it's not even a developer issue

2719
02:22:06,889 --> 02:22:09,559
that's even to be considered for our discussion time I

2720
02:22:09,559 --> 02:22:12,840
think it would probably save our commission

2721
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:16,610
to have that background long term. Certainly I will, I will

2722
02:22:16,610 --> 02:22:19,959
get together with with with us this is the city engineer

2723
02:22:19,959 --> 02:22:22,979
and try to come up with that, come up with a sort of a

2724
02:22:22,979 --> 02:22:26,909
presentation, there's a, there's been a lot of things in a

2725
02:22:26,909 --> 02:22:28,840
lot of changes over the last couple

2726
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:32,010
of weeks and one of them is really just that sort of

2727
02:22:32,010 --> 02:22:35,489
bringing all of this together. I mean we have a mobility

2728
02:22:35,489 --> 02:22:38,909
plan we have a bike plan and you know what are what are the

2729
02:22:38,909 --> 02:22:42,840
current capacities on the road and what's going to trigger

2730
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:43,840
where it's going to affect the level of service

2731
02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:46,819
so we're really sort of looking at this more a little bit

2732
02:22:46,819 --> 02:22:49,819
more comprehensively so we're not up here guessing and

2733
02:22:49,819 --> 02:22:52,709
trying to figure out what what's best we we have we should

2734
02:22:52,709 --> 02:22:55,920
know and have the data to support it and so that's where we

2735
02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:59,840
're working now to sort of bring all that stuff together.

2736
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:03,840
Anybody else.

2737
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:15,290
At 810 I will close our meeting this evening. Thank you all

2738
02:23:15,290 --> 02:23:18,840
for coming out.