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>> Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning

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and

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zoning commission meeting for November 29, 2017. This

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meeting

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has been duly posted and we do have a quorum present and I

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will

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call us to order at 634. Our first meeting is on November

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29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29,

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2017.

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We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have

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a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a qu

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orum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November

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29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have

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a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a qu

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orum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We

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will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have

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a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a qu

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orum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We

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will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have

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a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a qu

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orum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We

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will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting

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on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will

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have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a

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quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will

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have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a

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quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will

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have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a

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quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have

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a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a qu

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orum meeting

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on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have

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a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a qu

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orum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on November

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29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29,

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2017. We will have a

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on

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November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on

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November 29, 2017.

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have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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We will have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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If you're opposed to 33 houses being built there, how much

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:06.000
difference is that

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.000
if they were -- they could rezone it to an NR4, which would

01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:10.000
allow up to 24

01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.000
houses? So we're only talking nine house difference there.

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:14.000
That land can't stay

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:18.000
dormant. It's not fair to the property owners. So it's

01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:18.000
going to be filled in

01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:22.000
eventually. So would you have a conflict with 24 homes as

01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:22.000
opposed to 33?

01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.000
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:26.000
eventually.

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:28.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:28.989 --> 01:05:30.000
eventually.

01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:32.989 --> 01:05:34.000
eventually.

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:36.989 --> 01:05:38.000
eventually.

01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:40.989 --> 01:05:42.000
eventually.

01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:46.000
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:46.000
eventually.

01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.260
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:48.260 --> 01:05:50.000
eventually.

01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.000
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:54.000
eventually.

01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:05:56.989 --> 01:05:58.000
eventually.

01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:00.989 --> 01:06:02.000
eventually.

01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:04.989 --> 01:06:06.000
eventually.

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:08.989 --> 01:06:10.000
eventually.

01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:12.989 --> 01:06:14.000
eventually.

01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:16.989 --> 01:06:18.000
eventually.

01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:20.989 --> 01:06:22.000
eventually.

01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:24.989 --> 01:06:26.000
eventually.

01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:28.989 --> 01:06:30.000
eventually.

01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:32.989 --> 01:06:34.000
eventually.

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:36.989 --> 01:06:38.000
eventually.

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:40.989 --> 01:06:42.000
eventually.

01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:44.989 --> 01:06:46.000
eventually.

01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:48.989 --> 01:06:50.000
eventually.

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:52.989 --> 01:06:54.000
eventually.

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:06:56.989 --> 01:06:58.000
eventually.

01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:00.989 --> 01:07:02.000
eventually.

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:04.989 --> 01:07:06.000
eventually.

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:08.989 --> 01:07:10.000
eventually.

01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:12.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:12.989 --> 01:07:14.000
eventually.

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:16.989 --> 01:07:18.000
eventually.

01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:20.989 --> 01:07:22.000
eventually.

01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:24.989 --> 01:07:26.000
eventually.

01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:28.989 --> 01:07:30.000
eventually.

01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:32.989 --> 01:07:34.000
eventually.

01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:36.989 --> 01:07:38.000
eventually.

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:40.989 --> 01:07:42.000
eventually.

01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:44.989 --> 01:07:46.000
eventually.

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:48.989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

01:07:48.989 --> 01:07:50.000
eventually.

01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:54.489
>> There's a need, there's a big need in the city of Denton

01:07:54.489 --> 01:07:56.000
for affordable housing.

01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:01.320
We build way too much it seems like for upper end home

01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:02.000
buyers, you know.

01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.420
And yet there's a need for affordable housing for low and

01:08:05.420 --> 01:08:08.000
middle income working families.

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.260
So, again, I don't want to put you in a spot, but what

01:08:12.260 --> 01:08:15.000
would be your position as far as providing that need,

01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.000
even if it is in your neighborhood?

01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.649
>> Well, I'm not knowledgeable about all the other

01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:24.000
available lots, you know, in Denton.

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.010
You know, so if there were any of those, they should be

01:08:27.010 --> 01:08:28.000
looked at too.

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:32.000
But, you know, there's more agenda items that, you know,

01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.000
probably cover that for other folks here

01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.000
that it's a little more concerning, you know.

01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:39.000
It's not up against our back lot, so to speak.

01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:43.000
So, you know, we're just dealing with it four houses away.

01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:49.329
So, yeah, if the commission deems it so, it's just, you

01:08:49.329 --> 01:08:52.340
know, just think of the current residents in that

01:08:52.340 --> 01:08:53.000
neighborhood

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:58.229
and try to remember that, you know, we have concerns, you

01:08:58.229 --> 01:08:59.000
know.

01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:00.000
>> Sure.

01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.989
>> But understand the economics that it's, you're right, it

01:09:02.989 --> 01:09:05.000
's empty property, just doesn't do much good.

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.319
>> Well, and again, to lay some of your concerns, once they

01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:10.000
do start building, they have to provide site plans.

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.729
So, they have to follow certain rigid guidelines as far as

01:09:12.729 --> 01:09:14.000
what it's going to look.

01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.000
It has to blend into the community.

01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.619
So, that's another opportunity for you to come back and

01:09:19.619 --> 01:09:22.310
look and make sure that they're not going to be putting

01:09:22.310 --> 01:09:23.000
something up cheap.

01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:25.000
And we're here to make sure they don't either.

01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.000
So, but thank you for your input on that.

01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:28.000
>> And thank you.

01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:29.000
Thank you.

01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.000
>> Thank you.

01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:39.000
The next card I have is Barney Casamo at 610C North.

01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.439
North Bell, you'll give your name and address for the

01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:42.000
record.

01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.000
I appreciate you'll have four minutes for your comments.

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.000
>> My name is Barney Casamo.

01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.000
610 North Bell is our corporate offices.

01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.270
I'm the executive director of Dent and Affordable Housing

01:09:51.270 --> 01:09:52.000
Interim.

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.000
I've been in that position for about 16 or 18 months.

01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.000
>> And I see your card's in support.

01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.000
>> I definitely am in support.

01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.000
>> Okay.

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.000
>> But I want to say that if this was my neighborhood, I

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.000
would still be in support.

01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:07.159
And that's one of the criteria I use when any project is

01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:10.000
proposed by anybody, be it building or buying.

01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:14.119
It has to be something that I would not be concerned about

01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.000
having as a neighbor.

01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:20.550
When I drive down the Argera, which I frequently do, there

01:10:20.550 --> 01:10:25.000
is quite a dense multifamily housing development that's

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000
gone in right across from that property.

01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:31.840
So if density is the issue, we've already missed the boat

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:36.000
because there's a lot of housing right there.

01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.000
Denton definitely needs affordable housing.

01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:42.520
I spoke to one neighbor from the development, I guess where

01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.960
this gentleman lives, and he was in support of it after we

01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:47.000
discussed it.

01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:51.029
He was concerned about affordable housing, small houses,

01:10:51.029 --> 01:10:54.000
tiny houses, Section 8, whatever.

01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:56.899
But he was quite comfortable with single family houses that

01:10:56.899 --> 01:10:58.000
we're proposing.

01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.000
Thank you.

01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.000
>> Great. Thank you.

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:11.020
Next card I have is John Withers, 2001 McCamey Boulevard,

01:11:11.020 --> 01:11:13.000
in support.

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:14.859
>> Good evening. I'm John Withers. I'm a real estate broker

01:11:14.859 --> 01:11:15.000
.

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.000
I work with Roger Yale.

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.260
And to kind of echo the sentiments of the affordable

01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:22.000
housing deal, as of 4 o'clock today,

01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:25.869
houses that are listed and active on the market within the

01:11:25.869 --> 01:11:29.000
city of Denton, there are 72 listed on the market.

01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.460
There's only 52 of those that are actually available to

01:11:31.460 --> 01:11:35.000
purchase, with 20 of those already being in contract.

01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.000
The average square footage of those is about 1,700 feet.

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:41.000
So everything that we're proposing is falling within line.

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.000
We're 1,500 to 1,700 square feet.

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.189
We're actually going to be a little bit cheaper than that

01:11:46.189 --> 01:11:47.000
250 mark.

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.149
So the affordable housing aspect of it, even though it's

01:11:50.149 --> 01:11:54.000
kind of silly to think 250 is the affordable housing mark,

01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.689
that's where the market is right now, and that's the

01:11:56.689 --> 01:11:59.000
product that we're looking to put on the ground.

01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:01.000
So I support it.

01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:03.000
>> Okay. Thank you for your comments.

01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:04.000
>> Thank you.

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:11.579
>> Next card I have is Mark Moffett, 2708 Crater Lake, in

01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:13.000
support.

01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:16.460
>> Good evening, commissioners. Mark Moffett, 2708 Crater

01:12:16.460 --> 01:12:18.000
Lake Lane, Denton, Texas.

01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:22.140
I serve on the board of directors for the Denton Affordable

01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:24.000
Housing Corporation.

01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:28.430
Several years ago, I was approached to serve on that board,

01:12:28.430 --> 01:12:30.000
and I jumped at it.

01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.000
This is something I'm very passionate about.

01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:34.000
I'm also a real estate broker.

01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.260
I'm also a registered professional appraiser in the state

01:12:37.260 --> 01:12:38.000
of Texas.

01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.630
This is a real need in our community, in our state, in our

01:12:41.630 --> 01:12:45.180
nation, is to be able to provide affordable housing for

01:12:45.180 --> 01:12:46.000
people.

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:51.000
And we're not -- in our organization, we have several units

01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.000
that address the need for either Section 8,

01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:57.000
low income, special needs, things like that.

01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.989
We address all of those, and those are priorities in our

01:12:59.989 --> 01:13:01.000
organization.

01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.840
Providing affordable homeownership is also another priority

01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:04.000
,

01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:07.159
and this particular project gives us the ability to meet

01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:09.000
that objective that we have.

01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:12.000
This is something that council has talked about repeatedly.

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.869
It is something that the citizens have spoken in favor of

01:13:15.869 --> 01:13:17.000
frequently.

01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.869
So in that context, it's a good project, and it accomplish

01:13:20.869 --> 01:13:23.609
es a lot of goals and objectives that we all have in common

01:13:23.609 --> 01:13:24.000
here.

01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:26.989
A couple of things I do want to point out in the staff

01:13:26.989 --> 01:13:28.000
presentation.

01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:36.000
If I could get the overhead camera, please.

01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:46.000
We'll refer you to page two here on your packet there.

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:50.000
I want to point out in the staff presentation here that,

01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:50.000
quote,

01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.289
the proposed NR6 district permits uses that are generally

01:13:53.289 --> 01:13:57.000
compatible with the existing land use pattern in this area.

01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.510
Staff does note that although the density is a little bit

01:14:00.510 --> 01:14:03.000
higher than what they would think it would normally be,

01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.000
it is compatible, and they do mention that in their report.

01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:13.619
I also want to point out on page three -- I want to echo

01:14:13.619 --> 01:14:16.000
something that was mentioned earlier there.

01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:21.579
Section 3A in the middle of the paragraph there, staff

01:14:21.579 --> 01:14:24.000
mentions that -- let's see here.

01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:27.050
The surrounding area was between three and five dwelling

01:14:27.050 --> 01:14:28.000
units per acre,

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:31.350
and although nearby subdivisions are currently zoned in R3

01:14:31.350 --> 01:14:32.000
and R4,

01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.229
much of the area was developed prior to the adoption of the

01:14:35.229 --> 01:14:38.250
current DDC and slightly exceed the current zoning

01:14:38.250 --> 01:14:40.000
limitations in some areas.

01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.000
So I want to point that out.

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.329
In a sense, what we're saying is probably somewhere between

01:14:47.329 --> 01:14:49.000
3.5 and 5.5.

01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:51.000
The average of that is going to be 4.5.

01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:56.000
Our 33 units on the 7.14 acres, that comes out at 4.6.

01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:00.539
We are within one-tenth of a point of what the average is

01:15:00.539 --> 01:15:02.000
for that area.

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:07.000
And the project is not looking to go to the max on this.

01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:10.659
We're just trying to make it to where it works and provide

01:15:10.659 --> 01:15:17.000
a product so that our community can continue to develop.

01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:22.289
The surrounding land use there, we do have NR6 right next

01:15:22.289 --> 01:15:25.000
to it, right here in the immediate vicinity.

01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.359
We also have some commercial right here on the corner with

01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:29.000
the church,

01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:31.770
and then we also have some multifamily zoning there right

01:15:31.770 --> 01:15:34.000
on the corner in the immediate proximity.

01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.609
So the development of this property for it being isolated,

01:15:38.609 --> 01:15:41.000
I would disagree with that.

01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:42.000
I think it's compatible.

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:47.000
The staff identifies that in the report.

01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:51.539
And again, overall, this is something that council has

01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:55.109
given a directive to that we want to accomplish for our

01:15:55.109 --> 01:15:56.000
community.

01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.000
The citizens are in favor of it.

01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.000
It's something that needs to happen.

01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:01.989
And this is an opportunity for us to move forward on

01:16:01.989 --> 01:16:05.000
something that is a vital goal in our community.

01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:08.000
So I would ask and appreciate your support.

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.000
I'm happy to take any questions.

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.000
Commissioner Ellis.

01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.000
Thanks, Mark, and thanks for your comments.

01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.350
How would you address the concern of when we have a zoning

01:16:18.350 --> 01:16:21.000
change, it cannot be tied to a project?

01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:24.510
So you point out many aspects of the project, which look

01:16:24.510 --> 01:16:29.000
good, but if for some reason the project doesn't happen,

01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:32.090
and you know this, then we've got an NR6 on this that could

01:16:32.090 --> 01:16:35.300
open up the door to higher density than what you're

01:16:35.300 --> 01:16:37.000
proposing to put in.

01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.000
Absolutely. So kind of a little background on this

01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:40.000
particular project.

01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:44.770
We were presented with multiple opportunities to develop

01:16:44.770 --> 01:16:49.000
this property and actually had some folks that came to us

01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:53.989
with some of those types of uses that I think would raise a

01:16:53.989 --> 01:16:56.770
level of concern in the community that we were not

01:16:56.770 --> 01:16:58.000
comfortable with.

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.880
And in our discussions about the direction on which we

01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:07.810
wanted to go with this particular project, we wanted to

01:17:07.810 --> 01:17:12.239
choose a project and a product that accomplished goals of

01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:14.000
our organization.

01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.989
Our goals in our organization are to provide affordable

01:17:16.989 --> 01:17:18.000
housing, okay?

01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:22.810
And there is another organization here in town that does a

01:17:22.810 --> 01:17:28.000
similar, has a similar goal, but they do it in the context,

01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:31.520
generally speaking, of multifamily properties that are

01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.000
mainly rental type activities.

01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:39.619
Our goal is to provide home ownership at an affordable rate

01:17:39.619 --> 01:17:40.000
.

01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.729
That is kind of how we differentiate ourselves from that

01:17:42.729 --> 01:17:44.000
other organization.

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:48.670
Both are definitely needed, and I don't discount that issue

01:17:48.670 --> 01:17:49.000
.

01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:52.739
But to answer your question there, the reason we went with

01:17:52.739 --> 01:17:56.470
this particular proposal was specifically to address the

01:17:56.470 --> 01:17:59.880
issue and the concerns that we knew would come up in the

01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:01.000
community.

01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.859
If I lived there in that community where the gentleman

01:18:03.859 --> 01:18:06.930
spoke a little while ago, I wouldn't want a bunch of duplex

01:18:06.930 --> 01:18:10.000
es and townhomes stacked right on top of each other.

01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.000
I wouldn't want that.

01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:15.979
And from an organizational standpoint, our goal is to

01:18:15.979 --> 01:18:18.000
provide home ownership.

01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.420
And that doesn't mean, you know, duplex ownership, things

01:18:20.420 --> 01:18:21.000
like that.

01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:22.000
That means home ownership.

01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:25.000
And this is an opportunity to accomplish that goal.

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.000
So thank you.

01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:28.000
Sorry for rambling.

01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:29.000
That's good.

01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:30.000
Can I continue?

01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:31.000
Sure.

01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:32.000
Continue, Commissioner.

01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:34.810
So I know you, so you've got an active option contract on

01:18:34.810 --> 01:18:37.520
this particular land with this particular, for this

01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:39.000
particular development.

01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:43.850
And you selected or are trying to get that through because

01:18:43.850 --> 01:18:47.000
of what the project is, correct?

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:49.810
And it's not one of these other entities that is interested

01:18:49.810 --> 01:18:52.000
in building a multifamily development.

01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:53.000
Okay, thanks.

01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:54.000
Thank you.

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:56.000
I see no other questions.

01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.000
Thank you for your comments.

01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.000
Thank you for your time.

01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:00.000
Appreciate your support.

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:04.319
Next court I have is Jeff Withers, 1000 Lindhurst Lane,

01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:06.000
Denton, in support.

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.000
Another item.

01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.000
Can you tell us which item that will be?

01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:17.000
He said he wrote the card.

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:18.000
Yeah, he did.

01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:19.000
Okay.

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:20.000
Thank you.

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:26.189
Next court I have is Roger Daly, 1227 Bayfield Street, Dent

01:19:26.189 --> 01:19:28.000
on, in support.

01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.000
Hello, I'm Roger Daly.

01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.989
I'm a resident of the immediate area and I'm also involved

01:19:32.989 --> 01:19:34.000
in this project.

01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:40.399
And I guess the real question here is can we provide

01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:46.000
affordable housing with the accelerated cost of housing,

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.000
the products that go into it?

01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.000
That's the real key here.

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:55.279
For us to deliver a product that your sons or daughters can

01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:59.029
afford, because what's happened at $270,000, which is the

01:19:59.029 --> 01:20:02.470
median price last year, that was up 16% over the year

01:20:02.470 --> 01:20:03.000
before.

01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:07.590
So our goal is to be able to deliver a product that these

01:20:07.590 --> 01:20:12.260
people can buy and have home ownership and have all the

01:20:12.260 --> 01:20:17.000
attributes of raising a family, not in an apartment.

01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:21.010
But for me, where I live, which is a townhome project, and

01:20:21.010 --> 01:20:25.000
the traffic, I understand this gentleman's concern.

01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:29.000
As far as the brick veneer goes, brick veneer is just that.

01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.000
It's aesthetic.

01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:33.000
It's not structural.

01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:37.000
A lot of people think it is, and it's not.

01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:40.930
Our product will be architecturally sound and would blend

01:20:40.930 --> 01:20:44.000
into the neighborhood, but I'm for this.

01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:45.000
Do you have any questions?

01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:46.000
I see no questions.

01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.000
Thank you for your comments.

01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:56.170
Next card I have is Kim McKibbin, 1306 West Hickory, in

01:20:56.170 --> 01:20:58.000
opposition.

01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:03.649
Good evening. My name is Kim McKibbin. It's 1306 West Hick

01:21:03.649 --> 01:21:04.000
ory Street in Denton.

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:07.000
I guess I'm going to be probably the lone wolf on this one,

01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:10.479
and I am here to say that I have to agree with the Planning

01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:13.000
and Zoning Commission.

01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.000
This is not about affordable housing.

01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.000
This is about zoning.

01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.000
This is about sticking to our future land use plan.

01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:26.060
This is about making sure that the things that we think are

01:21:26.060 --> 01:21:30.079
going in are absolutely going in and are not going to get

01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:31.000
changed later.

01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:34.180
I did go out and look at the area prior to coming here

01:21:34.180 --> 01:21:35.000
tonight.

01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:38.779
What they showed you pictures of do not match anything that

01:21:38.779 --> 01:21:40.000
's in that area.

01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.689
I'm probably the only one here that's going to speak that

01:21:42.689 --> 01:21:45.000
doesn't have something to gain from this.

01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.739
Everyone I've heard, this is our project, and we're trying

01:21:48.739 --> 01:21:50.000
to provide this.

01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:55.000
I don't know how many people in Denton make $75,000 a year.

01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.000
Not as many as you might think.

01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:06.000
$250,000 for a 1,500 square foot house may be reasonable,

01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.869
but you also have to consider, even with that, they're

01:22:09.869 --> 01:22:13.000
looking at 7,000 square foot lots.

01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.000
That's a 70 by 100.

01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:19.050
When I lived over on Denton Street in a 1920s house, the

01:22:19.050 --> 01:22:22.000
lot was 100 feet by 60 feet wide.

01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:25.340
So the houses will not have space around them in these

01:22:25.340 --> 01:22:26.000
areas.

01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.000
They will fill up most of the lot.

01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:32.000
I don't know how much space the roads are going to take up.

01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:33.920
And even when I was trying to get through some of the

01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:37.079
neighborhoods tonight, you cannot put two cars down the

01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:40.000
streets if cars are parked on both sides.

01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:44.100
I doubt that any of these houses that there will be less

01:22:44.100 --> 01:22:46.000
than two cars in them.

01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.159
I also would question from being an accessibility expert,

01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:52.000
how accessible are these little two story houses?

01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:56.000
Is there a living area and a full bath on the bottom floor?

01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:58.000
Are all the bedrooms on the top floors?

01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:01.010
How long is this going to be a livable alternative for some

01:23:01.010 --> 01:23:03.000
of the people they're looking at?

01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:07.010
But back to it once again, I am in, I'm trying to support

01:23:07.010 --> 01:23:11.000
the future land use plan that we have going forward.

01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:14.699
We will have brand new zoning things by the first of the

01:23:14.699 --> 01:23:16.000
year possibly.

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:19.279
So we need to be looking forward and to stick with what we

01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:20.000
've got.

01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:23.680
So this is a zoning issue, and I think that the heart

01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.000
strings are being pulled out on affordability housing.

01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:29.000
Thank you.

01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.000
>> Thank you for your comments.

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:34.000
I don't see any questions.

01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.359
I have one other card that's not marked with an agenda item

01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:39.000
from Prudence Sanchez.

01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.000
I don't know if you want to speak on this item or not.

01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:45.000
Okay.

01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:52.000
And you're marked in support.

01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:54.000
>> My name is Prudence Sanchez.

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.000
I live at 711 Jackson Street here in Denton.

01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:59.000
My husband is Alfredo Sanchez, who recused himself.

01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:03.140
I am one of the associate executive directors at Denton

01:24:03.140 --> 01:24:05.000
Affordable Housing.

01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:07.590
I started out as a board member there because I do believe

01:24:07.590 --> 01:24:10.000
that we need affordable housing here in Denton.

01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:14.590
I just wanted to say that I am here in support of, excuse

01:24:14.590 --> 01:24:17.000
me, of the project, and not the project,

01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:21.000
but of the affordable housing that we need here in Denton.

01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:24.159
And I believe that when we say that it's a zoning issue, we

01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:27.000
're really looking at form over substance.

01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:32.430
And I think that it's important to use the land in the

01:24:32.430 --> 01:24:36.000
highest and best use that is available for us.

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:41.710
And I spoke to two people just this week, two young couples

01:24:41.710 --> 01:24:45.000
, and they work 40-hour weeks.

01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:48.359
And my heart hurt, and I don't mind pulling heartstrings

01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.000
because we all have them.

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:52.989
She said, I don't think, you know, we'll ever be able to

01:24:52.989 --> 01:24:54.000
afford a house.

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.000
She says, I don't even think that's on the radar.

01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.000
And she works 40 hours a week. Her husband does, too.

01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:04.149
And I just believe that owning a home is still a part of

01:25:04.149 --> 01:25:06.000
the American dream.

01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:11.000
I am in support of multifamily as well.

01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.000
But when you drive up to your house and that's your house,

01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:16.000
that means something to you.

01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:21.500
And when you hear, you know, these young couples spending

01:25:21.500 --> 01:25:25.000
over $1,200 a month on rent,

01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.159
and you know that that's a large part of their income, it

01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:30.000
just doesn't make sense.

01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:36.000
I'm a landlord, so I don't bash landlords.

01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.000
But I still believe that people who work hard every day

01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:45.000
should have the ability and the option to own a home.

01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:50.000
And you know, when we -- the difference between nine houses

01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:54.760
and not providing affordable housing, that just doesn't add

01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:55.000
up.

01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.000
So I'm in support of it.

01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.560
And I hope that the zoning planning and the zoning

01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.000
commission take that into consideration.

01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:03.000
Thank you.

01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:04.000
Thank you.

01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:06.000
This is a public hearing.

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:08.000
I don't have any other cards.

01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:13.260
Anyone else who would like to speak on this item, please

01:26:13.260 --> 01:26:16.000
come forward at this time.

01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:19.000
Anyone else?

01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:23.359
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and I will

01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:27.000
open the floor for discussion or a motion.

01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.000
Commissioner Smith.

01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:32.899
I make a motion to accept -- or I make a motion to approve

01:26:32.899 --> 01:26:36.000
the zoning change from NR2 to NR6.

01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.000
Just a quick public statement about this.

01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:43.100
We are so close to it being NR4 and NR4 being classified as

01:26:43.100 --> 01:26:46.159
a low density and that within the staff analysis that we

01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:50.010
are already pretty much right on the cusp of -- or if not

01:26:50.010 --> 01:26:55.000
already amicable to what other areas around that plot are

01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.699
already doing, being that they are already close between

01:26:57.699 --> 01:27:00.000
three and five dwellings per acre.

01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.390
That it doesn't seem like it will be that abrupt of a

01:27:02.390 --> 01:27:03.000
change.

01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:06.090
Also with there an adjoining apartment complex being -- or

01:27:06.090 --> 01:27:09.189
not adjoining but caddy corner apartment complex already

01:27:09.189 --> 01:27:12.270
having high density in that area, I don't think NR6 with

01:27:12.270 --> 01:27:15.489
the project that's proposed really would be that outlandish

01:27:15.489 --> 01:27:16.000
.

01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.000
So I do make that motion.

01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:19.000
Okay.

01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:20.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:21.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:23.000
And I second that with a public comment too.

01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:25.000
I normally probably wouldn't.

01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:28.569
Ms. McKibbin, I appreciate her comments always and we're

01:27:28.569 --> 01:27:31.000
usually in agreement with each other.

01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:34.359
And I think in another situation, and I have in fact our

01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:37.720
last meeting, I was opposed to where one zone was encro

01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:41.000
aching and another one where it shouldn't have.

01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:47.020
But again, the product here that's being presented is to me

01:27:47.020 --> 01:27:50.000
it's amenable to the area.

01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.539
There is -- we all know there is a great need for

01:27:52.539 --> 01:27:54.000
affordable housing.

01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:57.000
And this is a good opportunity to take advantage of it.

01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:59.000
So I second the motion.

01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:00.000
Okay.

01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:01.000
We have a first and a second.

01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:02.000
Any further discussion?

01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:03.000
Commissioner Ellis.

01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:04.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.000
Just a couple of comments.

01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:07.000
Zoning issues I take very seriously.

01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:08.000
We all do.

01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:14.250
Knowing the area here, hearing what I heard tonight and all

01:28:14.250 --> 01:28:20.000
the concerns, I do feel like this is a fit for this area

01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:23.000
and that the zoning change to NR6 is something that I can

01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:23.000
support.

01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:26.000
Okay.

01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:30.000
We have a first and a second for approval.

01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:52.000
And I will call for a vote on the board.

01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:58.000
That motion is going to carry 4-0.

01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:00.000
You need to go on.

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.000
Thank Commissioner Smith for coming up.

01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.539
He had a prior commitment and we were shorthanded tonight

01:29:04.539 --> 01:29:07.090
and I appreciate him changing his schedule to come help us

01:29:07.090 --> 01:29:08.000
get this item.

01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.699
And I appreciate everybody's understanding and let us

01:29:11.699 --> 01:29:14.000
change the order of our agenda.

01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:20.130
With that, we will invite Commissioner Sanchez back and let

01:29:20.130 --> 01:29:22.000
the room clear.

01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:49.000
With that, we will return to our regular agenda.

01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:52.439
And so we're going to move to what is item two, consider

01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:56.000
approval of our zoning commission meeting minutes.

01:29:56.000 --> 01:30:04.340
And the Chair would entertain a motion for these two items

01:30:04.340 --> 01:30:07.000
individually.

01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:09.000
Commissioner Ellis.

01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:10.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:13.319
I move we approve October 25th planning and zoning meeting

01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:14.000
minutes.

01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:15.000
Okay.

01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:17.000
Second.

01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:18.000
Okay.

01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:19.000
I move and second.

01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.000
Any discussion?

01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:31.000
Seeing none, call for a vote on the board.

01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:38.000
The motion is going to carry 4-0.

01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.170
Chair would entertain a motion on the amendments for

01:30:40.170 --> 01:30:41.000
November 8th.

01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:43.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:47.000
I move we approve the minutes for November the 8th.

01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:48.000
Thank you.

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.000
Okay.

01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:50.000
Do we have a second?

01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:51.000
We do, Chair.

01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:52.000
I'll second.

01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:53.000
Okay.

01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:54.000
Thank you, Commissioner Ellis.

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.000
We have a first and a second.

01:30:56.000 --> 01:31:01.609
Seeing no request for discussion, I'll call for a vote on

01:31:01.609 --> 01:31:03.000
the board.

01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:06.000
That motion is going to carry 4-0.

01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:12.000
That will take us to our consent agenda.

01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:13.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:16.000
I move we approve the consent agenda.

01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:26.000
Okay.

01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:40.319
The Chair will second and we will call for a vote on the

01:31:40.319 --> 01:31:43.000
board.

01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:44.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.000
We missed your vote.

01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:50.000
Are you for or against?

01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:51.000
Okay.

01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:52.000
I thought I hit it.

01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:53.000
Let's see.

01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:54.000
For.

01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:55.000
For?

01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:56.000
Okay.

01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.000
So we have that motion will carry 4-0.

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:07.000
The consent agenda is approved.

01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:10.149
Well, just as a point of order on our item four for

01:32:10.149 --> 01:32:13.000
individual consideration, our planning

01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:16.340
and zoning commission calendar, we had some discussion on

01:32:16.340 --> 01:32:18.000
that item in our work session,

01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:21.289
and there were a couple of dates that we were going to take

01:32:21.289 --> 01:32:22.000
a look at.

01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:25.170
And so that item will come back before us at our next

01:32:25.170 --> 01:32:26.000
meeting.

01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:28.000
I believe it will be December the 13th.

01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:30.000
So that will come back before us.

01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:32.989
Do we need to take a motion on that for continuing since it

01:32:32.989 --> 01:32:34.000
's not a notice?

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.000
I assume it's our pleasure.

01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:37.000
Okay.

01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:39.000
So just an announcement on that.

01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:47.000
So that will move us back to our public hearing section.

01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:51.319
And at this time, I'm going to open the public hearing for

01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:56.000
item A, which is Z17-0025.

01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:00.069
This is an item that the applicant has requested to be

01:33:00.069 --> 01:33:01.000
continued.

01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:03.779
So the chair would entertain a motion to that effect to

01:33:03.779 --> 01:33:06.000
date certain of January the 10th.

01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:09.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:12.420
I move we approve a continuance on this to a date certain

01:33:12.420 --> 01:33:14.000
of January 10th.

01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:15.000
Okay.

01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:16.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.000
I second that motion.

01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:18.000
Okay.

01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:19.000
I second.

01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:20.000
I have a first and a second.

01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:24.000
This item will remain open, and we will vote on this motion

01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:25.000
to continue to date certain

01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:35.000
January 10th.

01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:42.000
Commissioner Sanchez, I think yours.

01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.000
That motion will carry four to zero.

01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.000
We have already worked through item 5B.

01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:53.000
That will move us to item 5C.

01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:59.149
And I'm going to open the public hearing for Z17-008 and

01:33:59.149 --> 01:34:01.000
call on Julie Wyatt for presentation

01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:03.000
of this item.

01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.560
We will have a second public hearing on this item in

01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:09.000
regards to SUP, and that will be a

01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:23.000
separate presentation and will be a separate vote.

01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:25.060
So although these are two -- first of all, I'm Julie Wyatt,

01:34:25.060 --> 01:34:27.000
Senior Planner with the City

01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:28.000
of Denton.

01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:30.000
And so I'm presenting two cases tonight.

01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:33.359
They're related to each other, and so I'm going to kind of

01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:35.000
combine the presentations

01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:38.640
together, but it will be a separate action when you move

01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:40.000
forward on that.

01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:45.220
So right now I'm presenting Z17-08 and S17-10, the pall

01:34:45.220 --> 01:34:46.000
adium.

01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:49.079
So the two requests before you tonight, the first one is a

01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:50.000
zoning case.

01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:52.989
It's to consider a rezoning from community mixed use

01:34:52.989 --> 01:34:55.000
general district to neighborhood

01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:57.000
residential mixed use.

01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:00.069
And then the second request is for a specific use permit

01:35:00.069 --> 01:35:02.000
for multifamily development.

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:06.000
The property is about a seven and a half acre property.

01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:11.119
It's located adjacent to Sherman and Poinsettia, just south

01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:13.000
of Loop 288.

01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:17.319
So like I said, we're going to first go through the zoning

01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:18.000
item.

01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:22.000
And so these are depictions of the proposed rezoning.

01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:25.000
So we've got the existing zoning here.

01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:29.350
It currently has a CMG zoning district that's all of the

01:35:29.350 --> 01:35:31.000
pink, and they are proposing to

01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:35.000
rezone it to the NRMU, which is the red.

01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:38.930
And as you can see, that is adjacent to an existing NRMU,

01:35:38.930 --> 01:35:41.000
and it would be a logical

01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:44.600
continuation of this existing zoning pattern that exists

01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:48.000
across Sherman to the west.

01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:51.000
So the criteria for approval for rezoning cases are first,

01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.000
does the rezoning meet the

01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:57.000
future land use element of Denton Plan 2030?

01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.899
And then second, does the proposed rezoning facilitate

01:35:59.899 --> 01:36:02.000
adequate provision of public

01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:03.000
infrastructure?

01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:06.699
So first we're going to look at the future land use element

01:36:06.699 --> 01:36:07.000
.

01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.000
So this is in our Denton Plan 2030.

01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:13.000
That plan designated this area as community mixed use.

01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:16.600
And this is intended to provide a mix of uses in terms of

01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:19.000
commercial service and moderate

01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:21.000
to higher density residential.

01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:26.229
Staff looked at this and determined that the proposed NRMU

01:36:26.229 --> 01:36:29.000
meets this future land use.

01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:34.510
So typically we see that CMG or the community mixed use in

01:36:34.510 --> 01:36:38.000
the future land use plan is typically

01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:39.000
CMG.

01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:43.770
However, because of the adjacency to the single family

01:36:43.770 --> 01:36:47.000
residential in the neighborhoods,

01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:50.029
staff felt that NRMU was more appropriate in this area

01:36:50.029 --> 01:36:52.000
because it still permitted that

01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:53.000
mix of uses.

01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.630
It still has some commercial uses and some residential uses

01:36:56.630 --> 01:36:59.000
, but it was at a lower scale,

01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:04.000
so it would be more compatible with the nearby residential.

01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:07.300
In looking at public facilities, there's water and sewer

01:37:07.300 --> 01:37:09.000
available on Point Setup.

01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:12.439
Impact fees would be assessed at the time of development

01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:14.000
and building permit.

01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:17.000
There are two roads that we'll look at for Sherman Drive.

01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:19.729
Currently it's a four lane undivided, but it is considered

01:37:19.729 --> 01:37:21.000
a primary arterial within

01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:22.000
the city of Denton.

01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:26.109
So the ultimate roadway segment of a primary arterial is a

01:37:26.109 --> 01:37:28.000
six lane divided road.

01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:32.960
Dedications and improvements on Sherman may be required at

01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:35.000
the time of platting.

01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:38.449
Point Setup is the other road that is adjacent to the

01:37:38.449 --> 01:37:40.000
subject property.

01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:44.460
It is currently developed as a two lane undeveloped road

01:37:44.460 --> 01:37:47.000
with parking on either side.

01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:51.350
This is in conformance with the designation of the road as

01:37:51.350 --> 01:37:54.000
a main street mixed use collector.

01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:57.310
Per our Denton Development Code, those are to be designed

01:37:57.310 --> 01:37:59.000
as two lane undivided roads

01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:01.000
with parking on either side.

01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:03.880
As with Sherman, at the time of platting there may be

01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:06.000
additional right of way dedications

01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:08.000
or improvements required.

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:11.239
In this instance there will probably be sidewalks required

01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:13.000
on the north side of Point Setup.

01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:18.000
And platting will be required for development.

01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:21.399
I know there's been some discussion about some of the

01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:23.000
growth and the roadways and the

01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:26.000
impacts of new development in this area.

01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:29.180
So we wanted to bring forward a plat that was recently

01:38:29.180 --> 01:38:31.000
approved by this commission earlier

01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:35.000
this year and it's in fact going to be filed soon.

01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:38.000
And it is for the Harvest Hill neighborhood.

01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:41.890
So we kind of overlaid it on the existing aerial to show

01:38:41.890 --> 01:38:44.000
you how the new subdivision

01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.000
will match up with the existing development.

01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:50.590
So you can see here that Point Setup currently it does dead

01:38:50.590 --> 01:38:52.000
end at about this location.

01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:57.000
It will curve to the north once this neighborhood is put in

01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:59.000
and will eventually once the

01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:04.270
Loop 288 access roads are constructed it will join up with

01:39:04.270 --> 01:39:06.000
that access road.

01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:10.029
It also then there is another street that then ties into

01:39:10.029 --> 01:39:13.000
Point Setup and provides access

01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:16.000
for some of those neighborhoods.

01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:20.000
So that is the intent and the future plan for that roadway.

01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.000
Julie, can I ask a question?

01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:23.000
Sure.

01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:24.729
While we're here we have plats come before us a lot of

01:39:24.729 --> 01:39:26.000
times and we don't see anything

01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:27.000
actually develop.

01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:29.260
The parcel that you brought up and brought to our attention

01:39:29.260 --> 01:39:31.000
that's currently under development.

01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:33.689
They've already rough cut the streets so it's not just

01:39:33.689 --> 01:39:35.000
paper and some day they're

01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:38.600
currently developing that and that infrastructure is going

01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:39.000
in.

01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:40.000
Absolutely, yes sir.

01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.000
Okay, thank you.

01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:46.510
So although the request does meet the future land use and

01:39:46.510 --> 01:39:48.000
does meet the intent of that,

01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:50.909
we did want to take a little deeper dive on this request

01:39:50.909 --> 01:39:52.000
and just look at the compatibility

01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:55.000
of the adjacent development and surrounding zoning.

01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:58.020
So currently the property has a CMG zoning district and

01:39:58.020 --> 01:40:00.000
that's one of our commercial

01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:03.449
zoning districts and it allows a broad array of commercial

01:40:03.449 --> 01:40:04.000
uses.

01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:08.229
Some of those include vehicle repair, motels, big box

01:40:08.229 --> 01:40:10.000
retail, auto sales, quick vehicle

01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:15.000
servicing with no SUP is required and that's a gas station.

01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:17.000
And then a drive through with no SUP required.

01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:20.869
So something like a McDonald's could go in by rights today

01:40:20.869 --> 01:40:22.000
on this property under

01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:25.000
current zoning.

01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:27.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:28.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:33.710
At this point then these items here that are allowed in CMG

01:40:33.710 --> 01:40:36.000
, they're not allowed in RMU.

01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:37.000
Is that correct?

01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:38.000
No sir.

01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:40.880
Or for instance the quick vehicle servicing or the drive

01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:42.000
through like a drive through bank

01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:44.880
or something that would require a specific use permit and

01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:46.000
additional scrutiny by the

01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:49.000
Planning and Zoning Commission and approval by council.

01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.000
Yes sir.

01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:51.000
Great, thank you.

01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:55.649
So as we talked in a work session, we see community mixed

01:40:55.649 --> 01:40:58.000
use near residential areas

01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:00.000
all the time in Denton.

01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:05.000
We see it on Teasley, we see it on University.

01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:09.260
The difference between that CMG and this CMG is that that

01:41:09.260 --> 01:41:12.000
typically backs up to residential.

01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:16.619
So you will have the CMG fronting the primary arterial

01:41:16.619 --> 01:41:20.000
within the residential, the rear

01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:22.000
property lines abutting to each other.

01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:26.770
In those instances, landscape buffers are required and in

01:41:26.770 --> 01:41:29.000
some cases screening walls.

01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:34.340
So it provides that mitigation for any nuisances, light,

01:41:34.340 --> 01:41:38.000
noise and then also controls the access

01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:40.000
to those residential areas.

01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.710
So that's the difference in where we typically see CMG in

01:41:43.710 --> 01:41:46.000
this city and in this instance.

01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:52.130
In this instance CMG is near to residential properties or

01:41:52.130 --> 01:41:54.000
within proximity of residential

01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:56.000
properties but it's across the street.

01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:58.000
So they're actually facing each other.

01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:02.859
So no buffers would be required and that physical mechanism

01:42:02.859 --> 01:42:06.000
of backing up wouldn't be there

01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.000
to limit that access or require that buffer.

01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:16.000
And so that factored into our analysis.

01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:20.000
Also under current zoning, multifamily is a permitted use.

01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.000
It does have two limitations.

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.920
First, L4, that the multifamily use must be a part of a

01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:30.000
mixed use development or obtain

01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.000
approval of a specific use permit.

01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:37.159
The limitation 6L6 requires commercial uses on the ground

01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:39.000
floor of multifamily developments

01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:42.000
along any collector, arterial or avenue.

01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:47.039
So in this instance multifamily could be developed on this

01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:49.000
side if it was a part of a mixed use

01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.510
development but that commercial would have to be located on

01:42:52.510 --> 01:42:54.000
poinsettia on the ground

01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.739
floor facing those residential properties that are existing

01:42:57.739 --> 01:42:58.000
.

01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:03.000
NRMU limits the types of developments.

01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.000
So it limits the commercial uses.

01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:07.520
It does have some commercial uses but it does reduce the

01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:09.000
scale of that and the intensity

01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:10.000
of those uses.

01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.760
It pulls back some of those uses like the auto sales or the

01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:15.000
large retail.

01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:18.390
NRMU would provide a logical extension or a logical

01:43:18.390 --> 01:43:21.000
transition between the single family

01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:24.869
residential to the south and the commercial development

01:43:24.869 --> 01:43:27.000
that you do typically see along

01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:31.000
highways like loop 288 or arterials like Sherman Drive.

01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:34.510
You typically see commercial development in those areas but

01:43:34.510 --> 01:43:36.000
to have a transition area

01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.289
to provide some buffer between those uses will mitigate

01:43:39.289 --> 01:43:41.000
some of those nuisances that

01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:45.000
may be caused by commercial development.

01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:48.329
So based upon the criteria for approval in the development

01:43:48.329 --> 01:43:50.000
code, first the requested

01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.050
NRMU is consistent with the future land use because it is a

01:43:54.050 --> 01:43:56.000
mixed use zoning district.

01:43:56.000 --> 01:44:00.720
And it also provides that appropriate transition between

01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:04.000
the districts to allow some mix of

01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:09.000
uses but with a reduced scale and intensity.

01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:11.000
That concludes the zoning portion.

01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:13.729
If anybody has any questions, otherwise I'll just start

01:44:13.729 --> 01:44:15.000
with the specific use.

01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:16.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:18.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:22.109
Just real quickly, and maybe I probably should have waited

01:44:22.109 --> 01:44:24.000
to the SGP, but could you explain

01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:31.000
egress and egress has to be on point set and not Sherman?

01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:32.000
Certainly.

01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:34.000
For either CMG or NRMU?

01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:36.000
Certainly, yes.

01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:40.000
And that access requirement spans zoning districts.

01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.020
So it would be the requirement regardless of what the

01:44:42.020 --> 01:44:43.000
zoning district was.

01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:47.109
But the DENT development code treats arterials in a special

01:44:47.109 --> 01:44:50.000
way in that the intent of an arterial

01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:52.729
is to move cars as quickly as possible from one point of

01:44:52.729 --> 01:44:54.000
the city to the other, across

01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:55.000
the city.

01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:58.939
And so it limits the access to arterials, limits the number

01:44:58.939 --> 01:45:01.000
of driveways that businesses

01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:02.000
can have on arterials.

01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:07.170
And so the code states that if a development can get access

01:45:07.170 --> 01:45:10.000
from a lesser street, in this

01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:13.159
case Poinsettia, which is a collector, then they must take

01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:15.000
access from that lesser street.

01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:18.000
That's a code requirement for all developments.

01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:22.880
So it's clear to me that regardless of what goes over there

01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:25.000
, CMG or NRMU, there's going

01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:29.159
to be some intense development there as opposed to single

01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:30.000
family.

01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:32.270
We're not going to be able to build single family resid

01:45:32.270 --> 01:45:33.000
ences there.

01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:35.000
It's not permitted under friend zoning.

01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:36.000
Okay.

01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:37.000
Thank you.

01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:38.000
All right.

01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:41.000
So we'll move to the specific use permit.

01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:43.880
So the criteria for approval are in Chapter 6 of the DENT

01:45:43.880 --> 01:45:45.000
development code.

01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:49.140
And essentially our analysis is the compatibility between

01:45:49.140 --> 01:45:50.000
the uses.

01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:53.510
We want to make sure that the proposed use would not impede

01:45:53.510 --> 01:45:56.000
the normal and orderly development

01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:59.430
of the surrounding vacant property, that the parking and

01:45:59.430 --> 01:46:01.000
the traffic and the access do

01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:05.100
not create a nuisance or unreasonable nuisance around the

01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:07.000
property, that there would be any

01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:11.800
nuisance prevention, you know, odors or particulate matter,

01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:14.000
that those would be abated, and that

01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:17.090
there's adequate landscaping and screening, and that

01:46:17.090 --> 01:46:19.000
architectural compatibility is appropriate

01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:21.000
for the character of the area.

01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:25.000
So those are some of the analysis points we look at.

01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:29.109
In terms of this request, they are proposing a traditional

01:46:29.109 --> 01:46:31.000
multifamily development of 150

01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:37.000
units, a combination of one, two, and three bedroom units.

01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:39.850
They are proposing stone accents with earth tone colors for

01:46:39.850 --> 01:46:42.000
the exterior building materials

01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:44.000
and color palette.

01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.989
And this development is intended to be a mixed income

01:46:46.989 --> 01:46:48.000
development.

01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:51.039
And in fact, City Council approved a resolution of support

01:46:51.039 --> 01:46:53.000
for this proposed development in

01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.000
February of this year.

01:46:55.000 --> 01:46:58.069
And just to talk briefly about this site plan, a word of

01:46:58.069 --> 01:47:00.000
caution, this is conceptual.

01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.930
It hasn't gone through all of the reviews with the site

01:47:03.930 --> 01:47:06.000
plan, but it's generally showing

01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:07.000
you what they're proposing.

01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:11.000
So yes, they are proposing access off of Poinsettia.

01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:15.000
They do have the buildings oriented adjacent to the street.

01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:17.520
The Denton Development Code requires for multifamily

01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:21.000
developments that the parking be placed behind

01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:23.760
the buildings to reduce any visual impacts for parking and

01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:25.000
so that the buildings are

01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:27.000
moved forward.

01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:31.460
They would also have to meet all street tree, parking lot

01:47:31.460 --> 01:47:35.000
landscaping, and tree canopy requirements.

01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:37.729
In addition to architectural requirements, multifamily in

01:47:37.729 --> 01:47:39.000
the City of Denton requires

01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:40.000
40% masonry.

01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:45.630
So that will all be something that will be reviewed during

01:47:45.630 --> 01:47:47.000
site plan.

01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:49.560
These are the conceptual elevations that the applicant

01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:52.000
submitted and as well as their color

01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:56.000
palette.

01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.689
So when we analyze the request based upon the criteria of

01:47:58.689 --> 01:48:00.000
approval, first of all, does

01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:03.000
it meet the Denton -- does it meet Denton Plan 2030?

01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:06.619
And multifamily development does meet the intent of

01:48:06.619 --> 01:48:09.000
community mixed use because it is

01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:12.000
a moderate density housing or higher density housing.

01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:16.710
So it does meet that mix of uses in that -- intended for

01:48:16.710 --> 01:48:18.000
that area.

01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:22.699
There's also another goal in the Denton Plan 2030 about

01:48:22.699 --> 01:48:26.000
housing choice and affordable housing.

01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:30.100
And that is to expand those choices for our Denton

01:48:30.100 --> 01:48:33.000
residents not only in affordable housing

01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:34.000
but also in location.

01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:40.000
So this meets that goal that plan set forth.

01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:43.359
The proposed multifamily would create a physical buffer

01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:46.000
between the neighborhoods and the commercial

01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:47.000
corridor.

01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:50.319
So under current zoning, multifamily could be located on

01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:52.000
the street but it would have

01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:55.659
to have a commercial component on the lower floor which

01:48:55.659 --> 01:48:58.000
would be facing those residential

01:48:58.000 --> 01:48:59.000
properties.

01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:03.619
So by rezoning to NRMU and then the additional SUP approval

01:49:03.619 --> 01:49:07.000
, it would ensure that there would

01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:10.000
be residential properties at that location.

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:12.159
So there would be some sort of comfort that that

01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:14.000
residential would be there across the

01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:15.000
street from existing residential.

01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:18.239
So it would have that -- those two uses are more compatible

01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:20.000
together and it would remove

01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:24.579
that requirement to have that commercial facing those

01:49:24.579 --> 01:49:27.000
residential properties.

01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:30.029
The SUP for multifamily would allow those land uses to

01:49:30.029 --> 01:49:31.000
transition.

01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:34.000
So it would provide a transitional area.

01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:37.079
We've got lower density to the south of the property and

01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:39.000
then you move to that NRMU 12

01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:42.979
with the townhome development on Poinsettia and then the

01:49:42.979 --> 01:49:45.000
multifamily and then to the commercial.

01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:48.869
So it would allow that gradual transition of uses from

01:49:48.869 --> 01:49:52.000
residential to commercial properties.

01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:54.859
The proposed development must meet all Denton development

01:49:54.859 --> 01:49:56.000
code requirements for screening,

01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:59.000
parking, lighting, street trees and tree canopy.

01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:01.500
And that is -- it's one of those things like keeping the

01:50:01.500 --> 01:50:03.000
parking behind the buildings to

01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:05.000
make sure that those visual impacts are muted.

01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:07.670
To have those street trees, you know, Poinsettia has the

01:50:07.670 --> 01:50:10.000
most lovely street trees, that neighborhood.

01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:12.260
They've got the street trees in the parkway and it just

01:50:12.260 --> 01:50:13.000
looks so nice.

01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:16.510
So that's something that would be required of the proposed

01:50:16.510 --> 01:50:18.000
development as well.

01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.989
And then the muted color palette that they're proposing is

01:50:20.989 --> 01:50:23.000
consistent with the nearby residential

01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:24.000
development.

01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:29.000
Public notification was sent out for both requests.

01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:34.000
We've received 19 in opposition.

01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:36.829
Seven of those are within that 200 foot buffer and we did

01:50:36.829 --> 01:50:39.000
talk in the work session that that

01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.000
6% of the property area within that 200 foot buffer.

01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:46.220
We received one response in favor and you can see that in

01:50:46.220 --> 01:50:47.000
the green.

01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:52.000
The responses in opposition are in the red.

01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:54.840
There are conditions that staff proposes on this first that

01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:56.000
a full site plan will be submitted

01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:59.630
to the city just to ensure that it does meet all those Dent

01:50:59.630 --> 01:51:02.000
on development code requirements.

01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:05.520
And that the exterior building materials must maintain

01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.000
those muted colors.

01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:10.399
So based upon those conditions, staff recommends approval

01:51:10.399 --> 01:51:12.000
of the request because it is consistent

01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:15.420
with not only the future land use but the goals of housing

01:51:15.420 --> 01:51:17.000
choice within the city of Denton.

01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:20.529
And that we feel it's an appropriate transition between

01:51:20.529 --> 01:51:22.000
what's existing there and what will

01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:25.810
eventually be developed there at the corner of 288 and

01:51:25.810 --> 01:51:27.000
Sherman Drive.

01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:30.000
And I'll stand for any questions and the applicant's here.

01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:31.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:32.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:33.000
Thank you, Julie.

01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:35.699
Could you go back to that site plan that showed the layout

01:51:35.699 --> 01:51:37.000
of these apartments?

01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:40.000
You mentioned there would be street trees.

01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:44.000
Is that what those looks like three?

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:45.000
This isn't the landscape plan.

01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:47.750
There will be a landscape plan in addition to the site plan

01:51:47.750 --> 01:51:48.000
.

01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:49.000
Okay.

01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:51.000
So there's going to be more there than those three dots.

01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:55.770
And I'm assuming that the apartments will be the back sides

01:51:55.770 --> 01:51:58.000
will be facing point seven,

01:51:58.000 --> 01:51:59.000
not the entrances.

01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:01.000
They'll be facing in towards a parking lot.

01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:04.000
So it will be kind of like a wall there?

01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:07.420
Well, the code has pretty specific requirements for multif

01:52:07.420 --> 01:52:08.000
amily.

01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:12.159
So it does require that there be that it be oriented toward

01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:14.000
the street and that stairwells

01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.000
can't be the prominent feature.

01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:20.539
So that's why, I mean, and that is something that they'll

01:52:20.539 --> 01:52:21.000
get to when they get to the

01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:23.000
building permit stage.

01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:26.239
But, you know, we want to make sure that we provide

01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:29.000
pedestrian access as well in addition

01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:32.000
to that it presents well to the street.

01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.050
You know, sometimes the backs of buildings don't always

01:52:34.050 --> 01:52:35.000
look the same as the front of

01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:36.000
the building.

01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:37.689
So we want to make sure that that architecture that

01:52:37.689 --> 01:52:39.000
presents to the street looks just as

01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:41.000
good as where people are walking in.

01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:43.000
That's the intent of that requirement.

01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:44.000
Okay, gotcha.

01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:45.000
Thank you.

01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:46.000
Commissioner Ellis.

01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:47.000
Thank you, Joe.

01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:49.819
Julie, can you just give a little bit more detail on what

01:52:49.819 --> 01:52:51.000
it is that City Council approved

01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:52.000
in February?

01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:53.000
Sure.

01:52:53.000 --> 01:53:00.000
So they are they are using for their financing structure

01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:02.000
something called housing tax credits

01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:04.000
through the state of Texas.

01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:10.739
As part of that application, they went to our City Council

01:53:10.739 --> 01:53:14.000
to ask for a recommendation

01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:18.199
of support for their proposal so that they can present that

01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.000
as a package to the state

01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:23.600
of Texas to try to secure those housing tax credits for

01:53:23.600 --> 01:53:25.000
their financing.

01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:28.539
They may be able to say that they're they might be able to

01:53:28.539 --> 01:53:30.000
provide a little more about

01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.819
how that that process works, but that's that's what the

01:53:32.819 --> 01:53:35.000
City Council looked at.

01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:40.649
Julie, I'd like for you to go back to the slide that has

01:53:40.649 --> 01:53:43.000
the list of what can go there

01:53:43.000 --> 01:53:44.000
and CMG.

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.000
You don't mind the uses.

01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:53.000
So currently, I am clear your point in the commercial,

01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:55.000
typically on the north side of

01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:58.359
points that would be housing in the backs of those homes,

01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:00.000
what about commercial?

01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:02.000
That's what we typically see.

01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:03.000
Yes.

01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:08.170
This is not that same type scenario that we would normally

01:54:08.170 --> 01:54:09.000
have.

01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:10.000
Correct.

01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:13.300
And so what we're faced with as a commission is, and I don

01:54:13.300 --> 01:54:15.000
't want to disperse anybody's

01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:19.710
project kind of the lesser you could have under right right

01:54:19.710 --> 01:54:22.000
now you could do McDonald's,

01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:25.989
what a burgers dry cleaners facing out on to point set up

01:54:25.989 --> 01:54:28.000
and all the traffic and all

01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:29.000
the use that goes with that.

01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:30.000
Yes, sir.

01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:31.000
By right.

01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:32.000
Yes, sir.

01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:33.000
Can't do anything about it.

01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:34.000
This is long.

01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:36.520
It meets our development criteria design criteria is

01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:37.000
approved.

01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:41.109
Any uses that are permitted in that CMG district could go

01:54:41.109 --> 01:54:43.000
in by right with without any public

01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:46.100
hearing, they would just have to plat and then and then

01:54:46.100 --> 01:54:48.000
meet the site plan and building

01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:49.000
permit requirements.

01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:54.130
And so with that matter of fact that we have, instead of

01:54:54.130 --> 01:54:57.000
these homes having any kind of

01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:01.710
protection of another line of houses to the north, this

01:55:01.710 --> 01:55:05.000
actually put some separation between

01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:08.199
the existing neighborhoods and what ultimately is going to

01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:10.000
be very high density commercial

01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:12.000
uses out there on that corner.

01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:13.000
It's a transition.

01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:14.859
And that's one of the things that I know we look at a lot

01:55:14.859 --> 01:55:16.000
of times at this commission

01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:21.000
is how do we go from low density to high density?

01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:23.000
We don't have that in this case.

01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:26.810
We have essentially low density residential here and you

01:55:26.810 --> 01:55:29.000
can have right across the street,

01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:34.000
the highest of this razor ranch type projects here.

01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:38.550
And so by having this apartment community there, it's going

01:55:38.550 --> 01:55:40.000
to transition the existing

01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.989
neighborhood that's there of low to a medium with

01:55:42.989 --> 01:55:44.000
apartments.

01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:47.600
And then on the north side of that, we'll have the high

01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.000
commercial use.

01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:52.920
And so I just want to make sure that I'm clear and for all

01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:55.000
of us that are here tonight are

01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:57.000
clear as what can go there.

01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:01.229
And so if we don't take action on this tonight, all these

01:56:01.229 --> 01:56:04.000
other uses can go there by right.

01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:05.000
Okay.

01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:07.000
Thank you very much.

01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:09.000
I don't see any other questions.

01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:10.000
So thank you so much.

01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:12.000
I have a lot of cards.

01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:13.000
And bear with me.

01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:16.250
I will get through these and hopefully do well on everyone

01:56:16.250 --> 01:56:17.000
's names.

01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:21.000
The first card I have is for Ryan Combs, the applicant.

01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:24.770
If you'll give us, please come forward and give us your

01:56:24.770 --> 01:56:27.000
name and address and you'll have

01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:29.000
10 minutes to present your project.

01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:31.000
Thank you so much for allowing me to be here.

01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:32.000
My name is Ryan Combs.

01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:35.000
I am with Palladium USA and we are the developer.

01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:37.609
We've been working on this development for quite a while

01:56:37.609 --> 01:56:38.000
now.

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:41.220
As you saw, we were in front of City Council back in

01:56:41.220 --> 01:56:44.000
February and Palladium, just a little

01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:46.779
bit of a background on Palladium, to be very brief, is that

01:56:46.779 --> 01:56:48.000
we are a privately owned company.

01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:52.319
We're 140 years old and in a third generation of privately

01:56:52.319 --> 01:56:53.000
owned.

01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:55.000
Our world headquarters is in Milan, Italy.

01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:57.000
Our American headquarters are here in Dallas.

01:56:57.000 --> 01:56:58.000
And that's where I'm at.

01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:03.000
And what we have done for the past 140 years is develop --

01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.329
pardon me, I'm getting over a little bit of stuff so I may

01:57:05.329 --> 01:57:06.000
have to clear my throat.

01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:08.000
So I apologize in advance.

01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:11.470
What we've done for the past 140 years is develop the

01:57:11.470 --> 01:57:15.000
nicest residential rental communities around the world.

01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:20.149
And we've got properties that we own in Italy, Rome, Paris,

01:57:20.149 --> 01:57:24.000
London, really some of the best markets around the world.

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.000
And we've come here to Dallas about five years ago.

01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:30.000
So we do that here in the United States as well.

01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.180
We've got a 30-story high-rise that we're developing next

01:57:33.180 --> 01:57:36.000
door to Liberty Mutual's new headquarters in Plano.

01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:38.890
And so it's going to be the fanciest, nicest new

01:57:38.890 --> 01:57:43.000
residential rental development in all of Dallas-Fort Worth.

01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:46.680
But what we realized about five years ago is that here in

01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:50.579
North Texas in particular is just experiencing massive

01:57:50.579 --> 01:57:51.000
growth.

01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:53.729
And there is -- there's opportunity that comes with that,

01:57:53.729 --> 01:57:56.000
but there's challenges that come with that.

01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:58.989
And the city of Denton has realized that there is just a

01:57:58.989 --> 01:58:02.000
real dramatic, real need for affordable housing.

01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.000
It really is kind of amazing to me.

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.109
It wasn't that long ago that I bought my first house, and

01:58:06.109 --> 01:58:08.000
my first house was $110,000.

01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.340
And I look now and I go, okay, so the entry level into a

01:58:10.340 --> 01:58:14.189
house is $250,000, and that's what's considered affordable

01:58:14.189 --> 01:58:15.000
these days.

01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:18.000
The world has really changed very, very rapidly.

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:22.189
And so what we started doing about five years ago was

01:58:22.189 --> 01:58:26.479
taking our same product, our Class A product, and going and

01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:30.000
transitioning it to serve the workforce that is really just

01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:32.000
completely priced out of the market.

01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:35.220
We're talking about child care workers, medical

01:58:35.220 --> 01:58:38.000
professionals, our public servants.

01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:41.420
How do these people go and afford a quarter million dollar

01:58:41.420 --> 01:58:42.000
home?

01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:44.000
Well, the answer is they can't.

01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:47.000
And so really what we do is we go build Class A housing.

01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:49.000
We're looking at developing 150 units.

01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:54.000
It'll cost us $26 million, which is about $170,000 a unit.

01:58:54.000 --> 01:58:56.810
So this is Class A development, but we're positioning it to

01:58:56.810 --> 01:59:00.369
serve the workforce, the people that need good quality

01:59:00.369 --> 01:59:03.779
housing and want to eventually buy that $250,000 house but

01:59:03.779 --> 01:59:05.000
just can't get there yet.

01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:07.000
And so that's what we do.

01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:09.000
We are not a merchant builder.

01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:12.000
We don't build properties and flip them and sell them.

01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:14.260
Because we're privately owned, we build properties and hold

01:59:14.260 --> 01:59:15.000
them long term.

01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:17.149
We've got stuff in Western Europe that we've held for over

01:59:17.149 --> 01:59:18.000
100 years.

01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:20.000
And that's what we plan to do here.

01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:22.000
We plan to be long-term neighbors.

01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:25.069
We've come to this area, and I think staff did a great job

01:59:25.069 --> 01:59:27.000
of really kind of laying it out.

01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:29.779
We started looking at CMG, and we really started developing

01:59:29.779 --> 01:59:30.000
.

01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.829
We're buying seven and a half acres from a gentleman who

01:59:32.829 --> 01:59:34.000
owns about 20.

01:59:34.000 --> 01:59:36.000
There's about 30 acres there, and he owns 20 of it.

01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:38.750
And so we started working with him on doing a mixed-use

01:59:38.750 --> 01:59:41.989
plan inside this CMG, which we are allowed to do, a multif

01:59:41.989 --> 01:59:44.000
amily development inside that.

01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:46.390
But then we get to this L6 requirement that requires

01:59:46.390 --> 01:59:49.260
commercial on the bottom floor, and it really just does not

01:59:49.260 --> 01:59:50.000
make sense.

01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:54.659
And so I think staff made a great -- framed it really,

01:59:54.659 --> 01:59:57.000
really well that in our MU,

01:59:57.000 --> 02:00:01.489
this zoning allows us to really create a buffer between

02:00:01.489 --> 02:00:05.000
what is going to ultimately be high-intensity commercial

02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:06.000
uses

02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:10.779
and our quality affordable housing and the residential that

02:00:10.779 --> 02:00:13.000
's existing to our south.

02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:18.180
So with that, I'm glad to answer any questions that you may

02:00:18.180 --> 02:00:19.000
have.

02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:21.000
Commissioner Beck.

02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:25.000
Thank you, Mr. Combs, for your presentation. Appreciate it.

02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:29.140
One of the biggest concerns we've heard from residents in

02:00:29.140 --> 02:00:33.000
the community is a concern for increased traffic.

02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:35.989
Have you got any kind of response for them that would allay

02:00:35.989 --> 02:00:37.000
their concerns?

02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:40.000
Has a traffic impact analysis been done yet?

02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:42.850
We are currently -- and I have our civil engineer here with

02:00:42.850 --> 02:00:45.750
me, and he might be able to speak more specifically to this

02:00:45.750 --> 02:00:46.000
.

02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:49.079
I can speak generally in that the city is requiring us to

02:00:49.079 --> 02:00:51.000
do a traffic impact analysis.

02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:53.229
I know we are looking at pretty much all of the

02:00:53.229 --> 02:00:55.000
intersections in the area around,

02:00:55.000 --> 02:00:58.020
and we're going to have to comply with whatever that third-

02:00:58.020 --> 02:01:01.000
party traffic impact analysis tells us we need to do.

02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:03.689
We will -- I don't think we have a choice. I think we'll

02:01:03.689 --> 02:01:05.000
have to comply with it.

02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:09.140
I think one area where you may be asked to go above and

02:01:09.140 --> 02:01:11.000
beyond -- and just let me throw it out.

02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:15.630
Would you consider, you know, to offset more traffic

02:01:15.630 --> 02:01:19.000
hitting points that are going out on Sherman,

02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:22.159
would it be conceivable to create a right-turn lane there

02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:26.630
so that left -- so not everybody's in one lane to take a

02:01:26.630 --> 02:01:28.000
left or a right.

02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.000
A dedicated right-turn lane there?

02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:31.000
Yes.

02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:35.000
I don't know if we can see what kind of room we have there,

02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:37.680
but, you know, I know that our traffic impact analysis is

02:01:37.680 --> 02:01:41.000
going to look at the loading of how many cars can fit and

02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:41.000
turn right

02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:44.000
and what that's going to do at the peak times of the day.

02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:45.000
Okay.

02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:46.750
So that's something that we're going to study and make sure

02:01:46.750 --> 02:01:48.000
that it's adequately taken care of.

02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:50.850
And this TIA will take into consideration this development

02:01:50.850 --> 02:01:52.000
-- this housing development?

02:01:52.000 --> 02:01:53.000
That's right. It will take into consideration --

02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:55.000
How much of that will come down points --

02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:56.619
-- the flats and everything else that's already approved in

02:01:56.619 --> 02:01:57.000
the city.

02:01:57.000 --> 02:01:58.000
Yes, sir.

02:01:58.000 --> 02:01:59.000
Okay. Okay. Thank you.

02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:03.000
I have no other questions. Thank you.

02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:04.000
Thank you.

02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:10.000
The next card I have is Sharon Herman in opposition.

02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:18.000
After Ms. Herman, I have to be followed by Rebecca Garcia.

02:02:26.000 --> 02:02:29.699
I'm Sharon Herman. I live at 1305 Manton, which is one

02:02:29.699 --> 02:02:32.000
house off the corner of Poinsettia.

02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:36.000
I'm not -- I don't usually come and do things like this.

02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:38.470
Kind of bear with me. I'm probably not your most eloquent

02:02:38.470 --> 02:02:39.000
speaker.

02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:42.000
Were you allowed to ask the developer any questions?

02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:46.689
Typically, you could ask a question here and then we could

02:02:46.689 --> 02:02:48.000
take it back.

02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:49.000
Ask him?

02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:50.000
Yes, ma'am.

02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:51.000
Okay.

02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:54.350
Because as I understand it, they're looking at -- now I

02:02:54.350 --> 02:02:58.000
know these two proposals are kind of blended together.

02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:01.000
I assume that one depends on the other one's passage.

02:03:01.000 --> 02:03:02.000
That's correct.

02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:03.000
That's correct. That's what I understand.

02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:04.000
Yes, ma'am.

02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:07.000
Okay. And if you change it, it's right now CMG.

02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:08.000
Yes.

02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:10.000
So these things can go in.

02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:13.210
I'm looking at, you know, for the size of the parcel, you

02:03:13.210 --> 02:03:16.380
can't really put a motel there unless you put like a little

02:03:16.380 --> 02:03:17.000
tiny one.

02:03:17.000 --> 02:03:19.819
Big box retail, we're not really looking at a two-story

02:03:19.819 --> 02:03:22.000
Pennys or Macy's or anything like that.

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:26.640
I'm looking at a vehicle repair, auto sales, McDonald's,

02:03:26.640 --> 02:03:28.000
Whataburger.

02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:31.000
Who knows? Maybe we'd get a Texas Roadhouse.

02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:35.000
But none of which are generally two-story buildings.

02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:38.000
They're all level, one story.

02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:44.000
150 units with two to three-story possibility.

02:03:44.000 --> 02:03:49.189
We're talking about adding 300 cars all coming out on Poins

02:03:49.189 --> 02:03:50.000
ettia.

02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:53.260
All right. That's assuming there's only two cars per

02:03:53.260 --> 02:03:54.000
dwelling.

02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:58.000
The likelihood of that probably is not real feasible.

02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:01.869
So maybe we're looking at 450 cars we're adding to Poinsett

02:04:01.869 --> 02:04:04.300
ia on top of the additional traffic that we're adding with

02:04:04.300 --> 02:04:07.720
Harvest Hill when they get their finished subdivision going

02:04:07.720 --> 02:04:08.000
.

02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:13.720
Everything's going to have to exit onto Sherman Drive, okay

02:04:13.720 --> 02:04:16.000
, because there's no other way.

02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.380
Unless they decide to cut right in front of my house and

02:04:18.380 --> 02:04:21.000
take Minton and cut through the subdivision that way.

02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:24.000
We have a lot of small children in the area.

02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:26.000
Makes it a little scary.

02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:29.619
And if any of you all have ever tried to exit the loop on

02:04:29.619 --> 02:04:33.000
Football Friday, okay, right?

02:04:33.000 --> 02:04:34.000
You can't do it.

02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:38.000
Now add 450 more cars to that possibility.

02:04:38.000 --> 02:04:39.000
It's not conceivable.

02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:43.000
The infrastructure is not there for this development yet.

02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:44.000
Would it be maybe eventually?

02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:48.229
Yes, but I think you're trying to put the cart before the

02:04:48.229 --> 02:04:49.000
horse.

02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:53.920
The businesses, I don't see them decreasing the property

02:04:53.920 --> 02:05:01.020
values as much because as I'm sorry, I forgot your name,

02:05:01.020 --> 02:05:03.000
said that they have to have buffers.

02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:05.619
So if you put businesses in, we're looking at some sign of

02:05:05.619 --> 02:05:08.510
cement walls, brick walls, something like that that's going

02:05:08.510 --> 02:05:10.000
to buffer the neighborhood, okay?

02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:13.000
Whereas the apartment buildings don't have to have that.

02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:15.000
Maybe they have to have some nice landscaping.

02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:17.810
But basically what I'm looking at is two or three story

02:05:17.810 --> 02:05:20.859
people sitting out on their balcony looking at my backyard

02:05:20.859 --> 02:05:22.000
like a fishbowl.

02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:23.000
All right?

02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:26.000
And that's not why we bought in that neighborhood.

02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:28.000
This is not a startup neighborhood.

02:05:28.000 --> 02:05:31.000
This is one of your better neighborhoods in Denton.

02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:36.000
I think it's going to turn it into a startup neighborhood.

02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:37.000
Thank you.

02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:38.000
Thank you.

02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:39.000
I have a question for you.

02:05:39.000 --> 02:05:40.000
I'm sorry.

02:05:40.000 --> 02:05:41.000
Come back to my question.

02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:42.000
You're back.

02:05:42.000 --> 02:05:44.000
Thank you, Chair.

02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:46.000
Thank you, Sharon, for your presentation.

02:05:46.000 --> 02:05:47.000
Just one quick question.

02:05:47.000 --> 02:05:49.989
You made a comment about your concern about apartments dev

02:05:49.989 --> 02:05:51.000
aluing property.

02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:52.000
Okay.

02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:55.170
Is that just assumed or do you have some data that would

02:05:55.170 --> 02:05:57.000
support that conclusion?

02:05:57.000 --> 02:06:01.109
I don't because I really didn't know what to expect coming

02:06:01.109 --> 02:06:03.000
to this meeting at all.

02:06:03.000 --> 02:06:04.000
Okay.

02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:06.340
Had I really realized what was going on, I probably would

02:06:06.340 --> 02:06:08.000
have had my own slide presentation.

02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:09.000
Okay.

02:06:09.000 --> 02:06:10.000
Okay.

02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:13.289
I do wonder why though, as long as you ask, why a traffic

02:06:13.289 --> 02:06:16.520
study wasn't done prior to the voting on this instead of

02:06:16.520 --> 02:06:19.880
saying, oh, well, we'll do a traffic study after we approve

02:06:19.880 --> 02:06:20.000
it.

02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:23.760
Because it sounds like it's already been semi-approved

02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:26.000
without the community input.

02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:27.000
I can't answer that.

02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:28.000
I'll let somebody else.

02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:30.550
But I just want to point out, and I live up the road from

02:06:30.550 --> 02:06:31.000
now.

02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:32.000
I'm on Sherman Drive.

02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:37.010
Were you aware that if you go down Coronado there, two

02:06:37.010 --> 02:06:40.000
blocks off Sherman, on Bell, you have a row.

02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:44.000
You have the Section 8 housing.

02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:50.000
You have a row of townhouses on the south side of Coronado.

02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:52.000
And then you have all those apartments up there.

02:06:52.000 --> 02:06:53.000
I do.

02:06:53.000 --> 02:06:57.350
I haven't seen anything that devalues property with that

02:06:57.350 --> 02:06:59.000
condition there.

02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:02.979
So I would question whether that's a certainty that

02:07:02.979 --> 02:07:07.000
apartments are automatically going to devalue.

02:07:07.000 --> 02:07:09.000
Do I believe that?

02:07:09.000 --> 02:07:10.000
Yes, I do.

02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:11.000
Understand?

02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:12.000
I understand you believe that.

02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:16.189
Well, you've got potentially 300 plus people coming into

02:07:16.189 --> 02:07:20.000
all those people that are in Colorado and all down there.

02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:23.000
They're all coming up Sherman trying to get on the loop.

02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:24.000
So they're all coming up there.

02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:26.640
Now, those people are going to be coming into the people

02:07:26.640 --> 02:07:30.000
coming off of Poinsettia, which is the other 300 to 450

02:07:30.000 --> 02:07:32.000
vehicles that are coming on there.

02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:35.630
That can't not devalue your property because traffic

02:07:35.630 --> 02:07:39.189
patterns and quiet and noise reduction is all part of what

02:07:39.189 --> 02:07:43.000
makes our neighborhood a really nice neighborhood.

02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:44.000
Okay.

02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:46.000
I have one more question for you.

02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:47.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:50.000
Well, I actually had you mentioned about buffers.

02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:54.770
I think they mentioned earlier that if the business come in

02:07:54.770 --> 02:07:59.000
, they'll be facing, they'll also be facing Poinsettia.

02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:02.869
So they wouldn't be putting buffers because they'd be

02:08:02.869 --> 02:08:07.000
facing right, they'd be coming off into Poinsettia.

02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:11.100
And you mentioned that they would have to put buffers

02:08:11.100 --> 02:08:13.000
between Poinsettia and...

02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:15.590
They'll have to put something because they're not going to

02:08:15.590 --> 02:08:18.130
just remove the entire curb and open that whole thing up to

02:08:18.130 --> 02:08:19.000
the business.

02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:23.000
So you're going to have to have an entrance type of thing.

02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:24.000
Okay.

02:08:24.000 --> 02:08:27.000
And they're not going to be looking in my backyard.

02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:29.989
I was just kind of, I was just going by what I thought I

02:08:29.989 --> 02:08:32.000
heard that they'd be coming in.

02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:34.000
Yeah, I thought you said buffers too.

02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:36.600
But I thought you said if there were businesses, they

02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:38.000
wouldn't have buffers.

02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:39.000
The buffer would be the road.

02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:40.000
Is that correct?

02:08:40.000 --> 02:08:42.000
Sure.

02:08:42.000 --> 02:08:45.000
I'm sorry, I forgot to ask you.

02:08:45.000 --> 02:08:49.039
So because there is a right of way separating the single

02:08:49.039 --> 02:08:52.430
family residential uses and the commercial zoning, no buff

02:08:52.430 --> 02:08:54.000
ers would be required.

02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:55.000
Okay, for the businesses?

02:08:55.000 --> 02:08:57.000
Business, no, yeah, nothing.

02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:59.000
And there's nothing required for the apartments?

02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:02.000
No, ma'am, only when those uses are abutting.

02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:03.000
Okay.

02:09:03.000 --> 02:09:05.829
So the businesses might not have buffers, but we don't lose

02:09:05.829 --> 02:09:08.000
anything because the apartments won't even...

02:09:08.000 --> 02:09:09.810
We can't do two, so if you have some comments you would

02:09:09.810 --> 02:09:11.649
like to make so we can get them on the record, people are

02:09:11.649 --> 02:09:13.000
watching and they can't hear you.

02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:14.000
I'm sorry.

02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:17.159
My statement was just if the businesses don't have any buff

02:09:17.159 --> 02:09:20.250
ers, but the apartments and things don't have to have any

02:09:20.250 --> 02:09:21.000
buffers.

02:09:21.000 --> 02:09:22.000
So really it's a wash.

02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:24.560
We haven't lost anything either way other than the two-

02:09:24.560 --> 02:09:28.000
story, the 450 vehicles.

02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:30.239
Leaving in the morning, coming home at night compared to

02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:32.000
the businesses, we're not going to get 450.

02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:34.000
I don't care what kind of business you put there.

02:09:34.000 --> 02:09:37.079
You are not going to get 450 cars there at 8 o'clock in the

02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:39.000
morning and 5 o'clock at night.

02:09:39.000 --> 02:09:40.000
Okay, great.

02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:43.000
I'll ask you later for a clarification also.

02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.359
Will you clarify in your presentation, is multifamily

02:09:46.359 --> 02:09:48.000
allowed there already?

02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:49.000
Yes, sir.

02:09:49.000 --> 02:09:50.000
At this site?

02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:51.000
Yes, sir.

02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:53.000
So multifamily can go on this site as is.

02:09:53.000 --> 02:09:56.880
The only difference is on the SUP is whether it's going to

02:09:56.880 --> 02:09:59.000
have retail on the bottom.

02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:00.000
Yes, sir.

02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:02.000
So multifamily is allowed on the site as is.

02:10:02.000 --> 02:10:05.979
So this is essentially a down zone from what's currently

02:10:05.979 --> 02:10:09.000
allowed there to go from CMG to the NRBU.

02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:10.000
Yes, sir.

02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:12.000
Okay, thank you.

02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:19.260
The next speaker I have is Rebecca Garcia to be followed by

02:10:19.260 --> 02:10:21.000
Jean Golf.

02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:28.000
Hi, my name is Becky Garcia and I live right on the corner.

02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:32.000
My concern is I always knew something was coming in there.

02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:34.000
We thought it was going to be some more town homes.

02:10:34.000 --> 02:10:37.000
We thought it was, you know, we take the low income.

02:10:37.000 --> 02:10:39.100
If they don't want them at that low place, we'll take the

02:10:39.100 --> 02:10:40.000
low income houses.

02:10:40.000 --> 02:10:42.000
You know, my home is there.

02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:43.000
It's not my house.

02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:44.000
It's my home.

02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:46.000
It's their home.

02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:49.399
We have a really, I'm getting emotional, we have a really,

02:10:49.399 --> 02:10:51.000
really nice community.

02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:55.010
We like each other with a couple of, two that maybe lets

02:10:55.010 --> 02:10:57.000
their dog, you know, pick, they don't pick up their poop.

02:10:57.000 --> 02:10:59.000
But we like each other.

02:10:59.000 --> 02:11:01.000
We know who we are.

02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:04.000
We know almost everybody in the neighborhood.

02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:07.779
One of my big concerns is sitting right there with these

02:11:07.779 --> 02:11:09.000
older ladies.

02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:11.000
They live on the town homes.

02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:13.350
When they first put the town homes in, they were going to

02:11:13.350 --> 02:11:14.000
go two stories.

02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:16.989
And we thought we don't want two stories because you're

02:11:16.989 --> 02:11:19.000
going to be looking into our yards.

02:11:19.000 --> 02:11:21.000
I have a pool.

02:11:21.000 --> 02:11:24.000
I don't think they want to see me swimming in my pool.

02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:27.000
I don't want them looking in my pool.

02:11:27.000 --> 02:11:32.199
So I'm thinking, I understand the apartments are going to

02:11:32.199 --> 02:11:33.000
go in.

02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:35.000
But they're not really homes.

02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:37.000
They're apartments.

02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:38.000
We live in homes.

02:11:38.000 --> 02:11:40.000
We have children.

02:11:40.000 --> 02:11:45.000
I've got students that live in the complex.

02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:48.470
When I moved in, my friend said, "You are moving into a

02:11:48.470 --> 02:11:51.479
community where your kids you teach, they're in your

02:11:51.479 --> 02:11:52.000
community."

02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:54.560
I said, "That's where I want to live. I want to see them

02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:55.000
grow up."

02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:56.000
And they have.

02:11:56.000 --> 02:11:57.000
They've grown up.

02:11:57.000 --> 02:11:58.000
They have kids.

02:11:58.000 --> 02:11:59.000
They come back.

02:11:59.000 --> 02:12:00.000
We're all still there.

02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:04.000
So, okay, McDonald's would be okay.

02:12:04.000 --> 02:12:06.000
Car dealership, maybe not.

02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:11.369
Can there possibly be a buffer instead of a three-story

02:12:11.369 --> 02:12:18.630
apartment right on our poinsettia to maybe two and then go

02:12:18.630 --> 02:12:19.000
up?

02:12:19.000 --> 02:12:22.000
Does it have to be just three right in front of us?

02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:25.000
I mean, is that a consideration?

02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:28.000
Or have they already decided on what they're doing?

02:12:28.000 --> 02:12:31.020
Because, you know, if you go in our neighborhood, you see

02:12:31.020 --> 02:12:34.300
people walking, the early birds walking at -- I don't know

02:12:34.300 --> 02:12:35.000
what time you guys get up.

02:12:35.000 --> 02:12:37.000
At 7 o'clock in the morning, they're walking.

02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:39.000
They're walking at 2 o'clock.

02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:43.000
We got kids all over the place, scooters, bikes.

02:12:43.000 --> 02:12:44.850
We got the dad who's training his kid I know to be a

02:12:44.850 --> 02:12:47.000
marathon because they're running all the time.

02:12:47.000 --> 02:12:50.000
The kids play basketball out there on the streets.

02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.000
Where are these kids going to go?

02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:53.000
There's no park.

02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:57.000
Even if you put a sidewalk, there's no place to go.

02:12:57.000 --> 02:12:59.000
So what are they going to do?

02:12:59.000 --> 02:13:03.359
I mean, so I understand we're going to be a buffer, but

02:13:03.359 --> 02:13:07.000
maybe, you know, have a little bit more.

02:13:07.000 --> 02:13:10.869
And you haven't even considered the -- I got 20 seconds --

02:13:10.869 --> 02:13:14.000
the Sherman's Crossing that's going across.

02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:18.770
I mean, so we're getting ready to get inundated with a ton

02:13:18.770 --> 02:13:20.000
of traffic.

02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:22.000
Thank you.

02:13:22.000 --> 02:13:24.000
Oh, and Mr. Beck, thank you.

02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:26.779
I know you gave us a lot of information on our -- so we

02:13:26.779 --> 02:13:28.000
kind of helped us.

02:13:28.000 --> 02:13:29.000
Thank you very much.

02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:32.000
Thank you for your comments.

02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:41.689
Next speaker is Janine Goff to be followed by Camille Haz

02:13:41.689 --> 02:13:43.000
ard.

02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:44.000
Good evening.

02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:48.000
My name is Jean Marie Goff, and I live at 1301 Manton.

02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:49.000
Excuse me.

02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:50.000
I'm in the corner.

02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:51.000
I'm Sharon's neighbor.

02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:56.000
I've lived in my home for 16 years, and it is a home.

02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:59.000
Becky mentioned that behind us when the townhomes went in,

02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:03.000
typically you think of a townhome as being two-story.

02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:06.000
We came to Planning and Zoning and told them our concerns,

02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:11.000
and the builders ended up building single-level townhomes.

02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:12.000
It's very unusual.

02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:15.470
They look more like quadruplexes or triplexes or at the

02:14:15.470 --> 02:14:18.000
very far end of the street duplexes.

02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:21.180
And as it turned out, I think, as was already noted, many

02:14:21.180 --> 02:14:24.000
of the women that are sitting here live in those townhomes.

02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:27.510
It's a lifesaver for women and older people who don't want

02:14:27.510 --> 02:14:29.000
to climb the stairs.

02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:31.489
I tell you what, I tried to buy one of those a couple of

02:14:31.489 --> 02:14:33.000
years ago, and you can't.

02:14:33.000 --> 02:14:35.000
I mean, people are holding onto them.

02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:37.000
They do not want to sell those.

02:14:37.000 --> 02:14:39.000
I mean, they are a moneymaker.

02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:40.000
They're a cash cow.

02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:44.770
That's, in my opinion, what should go across the street on

02:14:44.770 --> 02:14:46.000
Poinsettia.

02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:50.449
One of my concerns is because so many people that live in

02:14:50.449 --> 02:14:54.000
the townhomes are retired people,

02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:56.989
we're looking at an apartment complex that will appeal to

02:14:56.989 --> 02:14:58.000
younger people.

02:14:58.000 --> 02:15:01.630
I'm not so sure what kind of a good mix that is for the

02:15:01.630 --> 02:15:03.000
neighborhood.

02:15:03.000 --> 02:15:08.760
I'm also concerned about, of course, generation of the

02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:10.000
traffic.

02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:15.000
I do think that the NRMU is a good change.

02:15:15.000 --> 02:15:19.319
I've read the comparisons, and I do think it's a good move

02:15:19.319 --> 02:15:22.000
to move to that away from the CMG.

02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:27.850
I also want to mention that I would be happier to see townh

02:15:27.850 --> 02:15:30.000
omes go over there instead of apartments,

02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:34.649
because as Becky said, we are homeowners, not as many ren

02:15:34.649 --> 02:15:36.000
ters in the neighborhood.

02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:39.000
I am concerned about three-story.

02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:44.449
It was written in the document, the staff analysis, that my

02:15:44.449 --> 02:15:48.000
community consisted of one- and two-story homes.

02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:51.000
There are no two-story homes in my neighborhood.

02:15:51.000 --> 02:15:55.909
So when these three-story apartments go in, it's going to

02:15:55.909 --> 02:15:58.000
look very different.

02:15:58.000 --> 02:16:01.750
I mean, not two-story, but they are going to be three-story

02:16:01.750 --> 02:16:04.000
with all of our one-story homes.

02:16:04.000 --> 02:16:07.000
So I have a concern about three-story homes.

02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:09.890
And as Sharon said, the traffic, trying to get in and out

02:16:09.890 --> 02:16:13.239
of the neighborhood, even when Poinsettia opens up at the

02:16:13.239 --> 02:16:15.000
other end, there'll be a lot of traffic.

02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:19.590
But my concern is the three-stories, the traffic, the type

02:16:19.590 --> 02:16:23.000
of people who come in with the apartments.

02:16:23.000 --> 02:16:27.369
The other thing is they haven't addressed, they have asked

02:16:27.369 --> 02:16:30.000
for the lower income subsidies.

02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:34.319
What percentage of the apartments are going to be for this

02:16:34.319 --> 02:16:38.719
group of people who meet the 50 to 60% of the median income

02:16:38.719 --> 02:16:39.000
?

02:16:39.000 --> 02:16:42.010
That's another thing, another concern that we have in our

02:16:42.010 --> 02:16:43.000
neighborhood.

02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:46.000
So I thank you very much for your time.

02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:47.540
>> Thank you for coming out to sign and sharing your

02:16:47.540 --> 02:16:48.000
comments.

02:16:48.000 --> 02:16:50.000
>> Thank you.

02:16:50.000 --> 02:16:55.010
>> Next speaker I have is Camille Hazard in opposition to

02:16:55.010 --> 02:16:58.000
be followed by Leslie Walder.

02:16:58.000 --> 02:16:59.000
>> Hello, my name is Camille Hazard.

02:16:59.000 --> 02:17:03.159
I live at 1514 Poinsettia, so I will be a direct neighbor

02:17:03.159 --> 02:17:06.000
across the street from whatever goes in.

02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:08.000
We are definitely opposed.

02:17:08.000 --> 02:17:10.610
As all our neighbors have mentioned, and I'm sure more will

02:17:10.610 --> 02:17:12.000
come up, it is a community.

02:17:12.000 --> 02:17:14.000
It is small homes.

02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:18.000
It feels like a home, even though we live in a townhouse.

02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:22.000
We do not want to look at a three-story apartment complex.

02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:26.020
I have a lot of concerns about all of the new development

02:17:26.020 --> 02:17:27.000
going in.

02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:30.000
We have 150 homes at the end of Poinsettia going in.

02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:34.770
We have things across the Sherman and kind of all around us

02:17:34.770 --> 02:17:37.000
, and the traffic is already bad.

02:17:37.000 --> 02:17:40.680
I also, when I look at the site plan, I see that there's

02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:47.000
150 units, 259 required parking spaces to accommodate that

02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:47.000
projected.

02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:50.629
And there's only 268 that they're going to plan to develop

02:17:50.629 --> 02:17:52.000
for parking spaces.

02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:53.000
That's completely inadequate.

02:17:53.000 --> 02:17:56.299
And then they also have on the site plan, it appears to be

02:17:56.299 --> 02:18:00.000
parking on Poinsettia outside of the apartment complex.

02:18:00.000 --> 02:18:03.000
And that's really going to ruin our entire community.

02:18:03.000 --> 02:18:06.250
The aesthetic, the traffic, it's already going to be very

02:18:06.250 --> 02:18:09.000
tight if you're going to have parking outside.

02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:11.000
So again, we're completely opposed to that.

02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:14.000
And we agree that there's children, there's pets.

02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:18.000
There's our sidewalks are large.

02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:22.250
There's a lot of people that use Poinsettia as a nice kind

02:18:22.250 --> 02:18:27.000
of park atmosphere, and it will absolutely demolish that.

02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:30.059
We would much prefer that this be rezoned for something

02:18:30.059 --> 02:18:32.899
similar to what we already have, whether they're town homes

02:18:32.899 --> 02:18:37.000
, condos, something smaller that would be more suitable.

02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:40.649
And when you're talking about a lot of people have spoken

02:18:40.649 --> 02:18:44.729
about affordable housing, that's a lot more affordable than

02:18:44.729 --> 02:18:48.000
$250,000 median home price.

02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:52.000
So we would prefer something like that.

02:18:52.000 --> 02:18:56.000
Thank you for coming out in your comments.

02:18:56.000 --> 02:19:00.100
Next speaker, Leslie Wilder in opposition to the don't have

02:19:00.100 --> 02:19:02.000
another card after that.

02:19:02.000 --> 02:19:05.000
Thank you.

02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:08.000
I am Leslie Wilder on Teal Drive 3903.

02:19:08.000 --> 02:19:12.000
Teal Drive has been there 13 years, 13 and a half years.

02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:14.000
Some of these have been much longer.

02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:17.870
As it has been explained already, these are single story

02:19:17.870 --> 02:19:21.000
homes, all of them the whole neighborhood.

02:19:21.000 --> 02:19:24.569
My biggest concern is three story apartments right next to

02:19:24.569 --> 02:19:25.000
us.

02:19:25.000 --> 02:19:28.629
It's going to totally change the atmosphere of our

02:19:28.629 --> 02:19:30.000
neighborhood.

02:19:30.000 --> 02:19:33.510
But my bigger concern is the parking on Poinsettia and the

02:19:33.510 --> 02:19:37.000
access on Poinsettia, I think, that you had already shared.

02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:40.000
So how can we address that?

02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:43.989
That they're not walking out of the apartments onto Poins

02:19:43.989 --> 02:19:46.000
ettia and parking there?

02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:49.270
Because right now, we can't have two cars pass on that

02:19:49.270 --> 02:19:53.000
street as it is, because there's parking on both sides.

02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:55.170
And so we're going to add a lot more people parking on

02:19:55.170 --> 02:19:56.000
those streets.

02:19:56.000 --> 02:19:58.000
I think it's going to be a problem.

02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:00.000
I think it needs to be considered.

02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:02.000
And then I have a question for you.

02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:07.329
Can you explain a little bit in more detail what the mixed

02:20:07.329 --> 02:20:09.000
income means?

02:20:09.000 --> 02:20:13.809
We probably have to call on staff, or if staff can't

02:20:13.809 --> 02:20:18.000
address that, possibly the applicant.

02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:26.399
We'll call on the applicant to answer that question for you

02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:27.000
.

02:20:27.000 --> 02:20:28.000
Sure.

02:20:28.000 --> 02:20:31.870
So this is exactly what went in front of City Council back

02:20:31.870 --> 02:20:33.000
in February.

02:20:33.000 --> 02:20:36.000
And so we were applying for these housing tax credits.

02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:38.850
And so what we have is we have 150 units, 57 of those units

02:20:38.850 --> 02:20:42.000
, so a little over a third are just completely unrestricted.

02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:43.000
So those are four.

02:20:43.000 --> 02:20:46.969
There's no restrictions other than we do background checks

02:20:46.969 --> 02:20:49.000
on everybody that comes in.

02:20:49.000 --> 02:20:51.489
You know, one of the things that, you know, I've got -- I

02:20:51.489 --> 02:20:53.000
live in a single-family home.

02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:55.000
The house right behind me just went up for rent.

02:20:55.000 --> 02:20:58.000
There's a lot of speculators all over DFW right now.

02:20:58.000 --> 02:21:00.159
And the house behind me just went up for rent to some

02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:01.000
single people.

02:21:01.000 --> 02:21:02.000
That happened to be very nice.

02:21:02.000 --> 02:21:05.219
But if that had been rented to a sex offender, I legally

02:21:05.219 --> 02:21:08.370
have no way to go keep that person from moving into that

02:21:08.370 --> 02:21:09.000
house.

02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:11.280
We can discriminate on those things, and we do discriminate

02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:14.000
on those things, which is why we do background checks.

02:21:14.000 --> 02:21:16.450
Fair housing allows us to discriminate as long as we do it

02:21:16.450 --> 02:21:18.000
equally across the property.

02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:20.000
So we do that.

02:21:20.000 --> 02:21:23.649
As far as what the mix looks like, low income, HUD defines

02:21:23.649 --> 02:21:28.000
low income as people making 30% of the area median income.

02:21:28.000 --> 02:21:32.120
The area median income is $73,000 for the Dallas MSA, which

02:21:32.120 --> 02:21:34.000
is what we are in right here.

02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:37.000
30% of that would be people making in the low 20s.

02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:39.809
That is a lot of the HUD housing, the Section 8 housing,

02:21:39.809 --> 02:21:41.000
that type of stuff.

02:21:41.000 --> 02:21:43.000
That's not what this is.

02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:46.000
57 of our units will be completely unrestricted.

02:21:46.000 --> 02:21:48.479
The majority of what's left is going to be serving people

02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:51.000
making 50 to 60% of the area median income.

02:21:51.000 --> 02:21:53.629
So you're talking about people making the 30s and $40,000 a

02:21:53.629 --> 02:21:54.000
year.

02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:56.159
These are the working class people that work in our

02:21:56.159 --> 02:21:59.000
restaurants and our service industry, these type of people.

02:21:59.000 --> 02:22:02.780
They've got to be able to afford, you know, they've got to

02:22:02.780 --> 02:22:05.590
be able to have income to be able to afford rent from, you

02:22:05.590 --> 02:22:06.000
know,

02:22:06.000 --> 02:22:11.430
say $700 to $900 for a one bedroom, $9,000 to $1,000 for a

02:22:11.430 --> 02:22:16.000
two bedroom, $1,100 to $1,200 for a three bedroom.

02:22:16.000 --> 02:22:19.000
So hopefully that answers your question.

02:22:19.000 --> 02:22:21.000
Great. Thank you for sharing that information.

02:22:21.000 --> 02:22:23.000
Thank you.

02:22:23.000 --> 02:22:26.870
I have grown up in Denton my whole life, lived in Narcob at

02:22:26.870 --> 02:22:30.000
school in Denton, and my father has been on several of the

02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:32.000
boards here in town.

02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:36.049
And I will say that I am a little disappointed that this

02:22:36.049 --> 02:22:39.579
developer did not hold a public hearing for the

02:22:39.579 --> 02:22:41.000
neighborhood.

02:22:41.000 --> 02:22:45.000
This is the first public hearing I'm aware of.

02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:48.600
And so with that in mind, that concerns me with what he

02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:51.000
plans to do in our neighborhood.

02:22:51.000 --> 02:22:53.000
So I would like you to consider that.

02:22:53.000 --> 02:22:55.000
And I appreciate you listening.

02:22:55.000 --> 02:22:59.000
Thank you.

02:22:59.000 --> 02:23:01.000
I'm sorry. I got a question for you, Commissioner Beck.

02:23:01.000 --> 02:23:02.000
Thank you, Chair.

02:23:02.000 --> 02:23:05.870
Just to try and answer, I'm not the authority, but if this

02:23:05.870 --> 02:23:10.000
is approved, when they come in, then we look at site plans

02:23:10.000 --> 02:23:14.829
and they have to meet specific regulations, very tight ones

02:23:14.829 --> 02:23:15.000
.

02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:17.690
That will be another opportunity for everybody to come back

02:23:17.690 --> 02:23:20.000
and make sure we're not putting trash in there.

02:23:20.000 --> 02:23:21.000
And we will.

02:23:21.000 --> 02:23:22.000
Good. Good.

02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:23.000
We want you to.

02:23:23.000 --> 02:23:24.000
Okay.

02:23:24.000 --> 02:23:25.000
But just wanted to share that with you.

02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:26.000
Thank you.

02:23:26.000 --> 02:23:27.000
Of course.

02:23:27.000 --> 02:23:29.879
I've not got information before it gets that because it

02:23:29.879 --> 02:23:32.760
appears that you have already met on this and we were not

02:23:32.760 --> 02:23:34.000
made aware of that.

02:23:34.000 --> 02:23:37.159
And I would say, clarification, we have this board has not

02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:38.000
met on this.

02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:40.000
This is the first time that this item has come before us.

02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:42.770
It has gone before City Council, which is a different board

02:23:42.770 --> 02:23:43.000
.

02:23:43.000 --> 02:23:45.690
I would concur, too, that it would have liked to see the

02:23:45.690 --> 02:23:48.000
developer have a community meeting, too.

02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:49.000
That's always preferable.

02:23:49.000 --> 02:23:50.000
I agree.

02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:51.000
But that's their call.

02:23:51.000 --> 02:23:52.000
Thank you.

02:23:52.000 --> 02:23:53.000
Thank you.

02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:54.000
I have a question.

02:23:54.000 --> 02:23:57.000
I have one other question for you, Commissioner Sanchez.

02:23:57.000 --> 02:24:00.620
Yes, I wanted to ask you, are you concerned with the

02:24:00.620 --> 02:24:04.000
changing of the zoning or are you concerned with the.

02:24:04.000 --> 02:24:05.000
Good question.

02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:08.090
I would say that the zoning is in our favor as, you know,

02:24:08.090 --> 02:24:11.000
as has been explained as far as what can go there.

02:24:11.000 --> 02:24:14.930
So not necessarily the zoning, more the project, I would

02:24:14.930 --> 02:24:17.000
say, would be concerning.

02:24:17.000 --> 02:24:21.000
The traffic, my husband works for the city, an engineer.

02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:24.360
Probably would love me not saying that, but I can say that

02:24:24.360 --> 02:24:27.000
we're both concerned about those things.

02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:28.000
Okay.

02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:29.000
Thank you.

02:24:29.000 --> 02:24:30.000
Thank you.

02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:31.000
No other questions.

02:24:31.000 --> 02:24:33.479
I'm going to have a whole stack of cards and I'm just going

02:24:33.479 --> 02:24:35.000
to go through before I do that.

02:24:35.000 --> 02:24:38.000
I want to call this none of the cards marked wish to speak.

02:24:38.000 --> 02:24:40.590
So if there's anyone else who would like to speak on this

02:24:40.590 --> 02:24:44.180
item, would ask you to come forward at this time and then I

02:24:44.180 --> 02:24:47.229
'll just read through the cards and put the comments in the

02:24:47.229 --> 02:24:48.000
record.

02:24:48.000 --> 02:24:56.000
Okay.

02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:57.000
My name is Michael Cohen.

02:24:57.000 --> 02:25:05.760
I live at 3918 till and I do not know the legality of what

02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:09.000
PNC does versus city council.

02:25:09.000 --> 02:25:14.370
But I would like to express and concur with most of what

02:25:14.370 --> 02:25:20.329
everybody's saying and it's mainly traffic patterns that we

02:25:20.329 --> 02:25:26.290
're concerned because we do have the 150 units or 150 homes

02:25:26.290 --> 02:25:31.000
that are going in just to the east.

02:25:31.000 --> 02:25:37.010
Zoning has already been approved for what the south west

02:25:37.010 --> 02:25:44.969
corner of Sherman and Luke to 88 for shopping center,

02:25:44.969 --> 02:25:48.000
housing, multifamily.

02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:56.170
And it's just it's it's too much traffic and I know that it

02:25:56.170 --> 02:26:02.000
's already zone for big box or retail.

02:26:02.000 --> 02:26:06.700
I think the planning and zoning commission, while the

02:26:06.700 --> 02:26:11.639
zoning is already there, needs to consider the traffic and

02:26:11.639 --> 02:26:15.000
I know the traffic steadiest part of it.

02:26:15.000 --> 02:26:18.459
But the second side of this and again, I don't know the

02:26:18.459 --> 02:26:21.530
legal side of PNC and whether you can take that in

02:26:21.530 --> 02:26:23.000
consideration.

02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:26.040
But I think you've heard from enough of the people in the

02:26:26.040 --> 02:26:29.219
community, the neighborhood that are against this much

02:26:29.219 --> 02:26:30.000
traffic.

02:26:30.000 --> 02:26:33.309
And I do think PNC needs to take into consideration what

02:26:33.309 --> 02:26:36.750
the neighborhood believes should or should not happen in

02:26:36.750 --> 02:26:39.000
that particular neighborhood.

02:26:39.000 --> 02:26:40.000
Thank you.

02:26:40.000 --> 02:26:41.000
Thank you for your comments.

02:26:41.000 --> 02:26:44.739
If you wouldn't mind, would you fill out we've got the cars

02:26:44.739 --> 02:26:45.000
.

02:26:45.000 --> 02:26:47.000
There should be some probably right outside the door.

02:26:47.000 --> 02:26:49.389
So anyone who would like to speak who hasn't filled out a

02:26:49.389 --> 02:26:51.000
card, please come on and speak.

02:26:51.000 --> 02:26:53.399
And then afterward, if you'll give us a fill out a card for

02:26:53.399 --> 02:26:56.000
us, if you'll give your name and address, sir, please.

02:26:56.000 --> 02:26:57.000
My name is Scott Hazard.

02:26:57.000 --> 02:27:01.239
I live at 1514 Point Celia, which, as my wife said, is

02:27:01.239 --> 02:27:05.000
right across the street from where we're going to be.

02:27:05.000 --> 02:27:08.530
The fact that we weren't told about this, we really kind of

02:27:08.530 --> 02:27:12.000
feel like we were blindsided by this, by the developer,

02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:16.690
which kind of affects the way that we hear that developer

02:27:16.690 --> 02:27:20.000
when they talk about things that they do,

02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:23.469
because we feel like they've been a little bit less than

02:27:23.469 --> 02:27:26.000
candid with us on getting this done.

02:27:26.000 --> 02:27:29.000
I would like to talk about two things.

02:27:29.000 --> 02:27:32.510
I'd like to invite each one of you at 530 to come on the

02:27:32.510 --> 02:27:36.280
loop like you're going towards Sherman and turn left on

02:27:36.280 --> 02:27:41.000
Sherman Drive from the loop, that left turn right there.

02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:44.000
It's absolutely horrible.

02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:47.540
And when you get the stop, when you turn left on Sherman

02:27:47.540 --> 02:27:51.000
Drive and you don't get hit by somebody trying to turn left

02:27:51.000 --> 02:27:53.510
to head out of town on Sherman Drive from the other

02:27:53.510 --> 02:27:54.000
direction,

02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:57.870
you immediately have to get in that left lane to turn onto

02:27:57.870 --> 02:27:59.000
Point Celia.

02:27:59.000 --> 02:28:02.000
That is going to be a nightmare right there.

02:28:02.000 --> 02:28:05.290
You're going to have cars in the evening backed up all the

02:28:05.290 --> 02:28:08.440
way to the loop where those people are making that left

02:28:08.440 --> 02:28:09.000
turn.

02:28:09.000 --> 02:28:13.000
It's going to be a traffic nightmare.

02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:16.629
I think what's happening here is we've got this 150 houses

02:28:16.629 --> 02:28:18.000
going in on one side.

02:28:18.000 --> 02:28:22.000
We've got Sherman Crossing going in on the other side.

02:28:22.000 --> 02:28:24.760
And now these guys want to build these apartments right

02:28:24.760 --> 02:28:27.000
here that all drains out onto Point Celia.

02:28:27.000 --> 02:28:31.770
I understand the reason that that has to be as far as the

02:28:31.770 --> 02:28:33.000
code goes.

02:28:33.000 --> 02:28:36.559
But I think you guys are creating a very dangerous

02:28:36.559 --> 02:28:41.000
situation at the corner of Point Celia and Sherman Drive.

02:28:41.000 --> 02:28:44.000
And I think you're also creating a very dangerous situation

02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:48.600
because those, as soon as these apartments are going to be

02:28:48.600 --> 02:28:49.000
built,

02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:51.850
you guys should know as well as I do that there's going to

02:28:51.850 --> 02:28:55.000
be a solid row of cars on the north side of Point Celia

02:28:55.000 --> 02:28:56.000
pretty much all the time

02:28:56.000 --> 02:28:58.469
because that's where those people are going to park because

02:28:58.469 --> 02:29:02.000
they're not building enough parking inside for these guys.

02:29:02.000 --> 02:29:04.000
They're creating a parking nightmare.

02:29:04.000 --> 02:29:07.000
And what they're doing is pushing the parking nightmare

02:29:07.000 --> 02:29:09.729
over to the people who live on Point Celia to let us deal

02:29:09.729 --> 02:29:12.000
with all of their overflow parking.

02:29:12.000 --> 02:29:14.000
And this can't happen.

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:17.000
It's going to cause lots of problems.

02:29:17.000 --> 02:29:19.000
It may cost some lives.

02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:21.790
It'll definitely destroy the neighborhood that we've got

02:29:21.790 --> 02:29:25.489
where we walk our dogs, where we let our kids ride their

02:29:25.489 --> 02:29:26.000
bikes.

02:29:26.000 --> 02:29:29.969
And I'm going to ask you all at the very least to table

02:29:29.969 --> 02:29:33.000
this and get some more information.

02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:35.000
Let's get a detailed traffic analysis.

02:29:35.000 --> 02:29:37.420
Let's look at all the traffic patterns as they're going to

02:29:37.420 --> 02:29:41.530
be affected by the extra houses or extra units that are

02:29:41.530 --> 02:29:45.000
being built essentially on each side of us and then

02:29:45.000 --> 02:29:46.000
consider that.

02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:50.870
So I just think if you approve this tonight, you're just

02:29:50.870 --> 02:29:55.190
doing this willy-nilly and it's going to be a big, big, big

02:29:55.190 --> 02:29:56.000
mess.

02:29:56.000 --> 02:29:59.000
Thank you for your comments.

02:29:59.000 --> 02:30:08.000
Thank you.

02:30:08.000 --> 02:30:10.000
I wasn't going to fill out a card, but I'm going to now.

02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:11.000
Hi, I'm Connie Lane.

02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:13.000
I live two doors down from them.

02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:16.000
We have the same view, 1602 Poinsettia.

02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:19.000
I'm 510.

02:30:19.000 --> 02:30:25.190
One of the questions I had was when Julie had the picture

02:30:25.190 --> 02:30:31.479
up here of Sherman Drive being six lanes divided, how are

02:30:31.479 --> 02:30:35.260
you going to get across there if it's divided out of Poins

02:30:35.260 --> 02:30:36.000
ettia?

02:30:36.000 --> 02:30:40.000
Is there going to be a ramp we can go across that divided?

02:30:40.000 --> 02:30:43.870
Is there going to be a new bridge or is it just going to be

02:30:43.870 --> 02:30:47.000
open where we are all going to get in rags?

02:30:47.000 --> 02:30:49.000
Just curious.

02:30:49.000 --> 02:30:51.000
I'll call on Julie to try to answer that.

02:30:51.000 --> 02:30:52.000
Sure.

02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:55.979
So primary arterials are typically designed in the city of

02:30:55.979 --> 02:30:59.879
Denton with the three lanes each way with the boulevard in

02:30:59.879 --> 02:31:01.000
the middle.

02:31:01.000 --> 02:31:07.299
And there would be in some areas they have openings where

02:31:07.299 --> 02:31:10.000
people can turn left.

02:31:10.000 --> 02:31:11.000
That hasn't been designed at this point.

02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:14.000
Right now it is intended for Sherman to stay the way it is.

02:31:14.000 --> 02:31:18.000
I'm not aware of any other improvements that would create

02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:20.000
that median at this time.

02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:24.709
Those are just the standards that Denton has for primary

02:31:24.709 --> 02:31:27.000
arterials eventually.

02:31:27.000 --> 02:31:30.000
So if that's the standard, that means it will happen.

02:31:30.000 --> 02:31:32.149
I wonder if you'll come back to the mic so we can hear on

02:31:32.149 --> 02:31:33.000
the live stream.

02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:36.870
My concern was if that's a standard, that will happen

02:31:36.870 --> 02:31:38.000
eventually.

02:31:38.000 --> 02:31:41.000
Having moved from South Denton because of all the traffic,

02:31:41.000 --> 02:31:45.000
I lived at the intersection of Teasley and Indian Ridge,

02:31:45.000 --> 02:31:49.540
which we had that lovely crossing across there to try to go

02:31:49.540 --> 02:31:53.000
to Sam Houston one way or it's not lovely.

02:31:53.000 --> 02:31:56.159
So if we're going to add all of these extra people, I'm

02:31:56.159 --> 02:31:58.000
really afraid for traffic.

02:31:58.000 --> 02:32:00.000
That is my concern.

02:32:00.000 --> 02:32:01.000
I appreciate you sharing your concern.

02:32:01.000 --> 02:32:05.000
And one thing I'll say is Sherman is a tech stock road.

02:32:05.000 --> 02:32:08.360
So that is not a city of Denton road and I won't confirm

02:32:08.360 --> 02:32:09.000
that.

02:32:09.000 --> 02:32:10.000
So that's a tech stock road.

02:32:10.000 --> 02:32:14.030
That's not something the city of Denton has control over at

02:32:14.030 --> 02:32:15.000
this time.

02:32:15.000 --> 02:32:18.000
The Texas Department of Transportation.

02:32:18.000 --> 02:32:20.000
No, I'm with you on that one.

02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:24.010
But as far as just having all of these businesses and/or

02:32:24.010 --> 02:32:28.399
apartments, if the city doesn't have control over Sherman

02:32:28.399 --> 02:32:29.000
Drive.

02:32:29.000 --> 02:32:30.000
That's correct.

02:32:30.000 --> 02:32:34.719
Then I guess I'm confused as to why everything has to go on

02:32:34.719 --> 02:32:41.479
to Poinsettia or Point Cisha as we just had our street sign

02:32:41.479 --> 02:32:43.000
fixed.

02:32:43.000 --> 02:32:44.000
Thank you for your comments.

02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:50.000
Okay.

02:32:50.000 --> 02:32:51.000
Hello, how are you doing?

02:32:51.000 --> 02:32:52.000
My name is Jorge Espinosa.

02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:54.000
I live in 1304 Mountain Boulevard.

02:32:54.000 --> 02:32:57.000
It's right there across the street.

02:32:57.000 --> 02:33:03.000
My concern is totally opposed to the apartments.

02:33:03.000 --> 02:33:06.000
And I just have a question for you guys.

02:33:06.000 --> 02:33:11.500
You have us having trouble in the last agenda accommodating

02:33:11.500 --> 02:33:15.000
33 houses on 7.14 acres.

02:33:15.000 --> 02:33:20.000
And these builders try to build 150 units on 7.5.

02:33:20.000 --> 02:33:22.000
Just think about the traffic.

02:33:22.000 --> 02:33:27.290
Think about the trouble that they're just going to be

02:33:27.290 --> 02:33:31.000
creating on the same area of land.

02:33:31.000 --> 02:33:36.010
So that's basically my point, you know, and the question

02:33:36.010 --> 02:33:37.000
for you.

02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:38.000
Okay.

02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:40.000
So just consider what we have.

02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:43.000
We have a really nice neighborhood.

02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:46.000
And we call home that neighborhood.

02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:47.000
Thank you.

02:33:47.000 --> 02:33:50.000
Thank you for coming out and your comments.

02:33:50.000 --> 02:33:53.000
I've got a bunch of cards I'll go through.

02:33:53.000 --> 02:33:57.120
I have a question for staff before we start going through

02:33:57.120 --> 02:34:00.850
the cards that I'm going to ask them up and then I will

02:34:00.850 --> 02:34:02.000
come back.

02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:07.690
I noticed on the comparison on the zoning, would you mind

02:34:07.690 --> 02:34:10.530
as I go through the cards, would you look up, it has a

02:34:10.530 --> 02:34:15.639
maximum density on the NRMU of 30, but it's blank on the CM

02:34:15.639 --> 02:34:16.000
G.

02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:19.790
If you could do some research, and I'll call you back after

02:34:19.790 --> 02:34:23.489
I get through all these, and give us what is allowed in CMG

02:34:23.489 --> 02:34:28.000
for multifamily, density wise, so we have some comparison.

02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:30.000
Ma'am, thank you for your patience.

02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:37.000
Would you like to come and address our commission?

02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:39.000
One of the things that concerns me --

02:34:39.000 --> 02:34:41.000
Can you give us your name and address, please?

02:34:41.000 --> 02:34:45.309
I'm Betty Marshall, 1906 Point Center Boulevard, Denton,

02:34:45.309 --> 02:34:47.000
Texas, 76208.

02:34:47.000 --> 02:34:49.000
Thank you, ma'am.

02:34:49.000 --> 02:34:51.000
I walk every morning.

02:34:51.000 --> 02:34:55.000
And probably about 7 o'clock or so in the morning.

02:34:55.000 --> 02:34:59.329
I mean, I also walk at 4 in the morning, but then my second

02:34:59.329 --> 02:35:02.000
walk is at about 7, 6 to 7.

02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:11.069
And cars that are going east on Loop 288, there is such a

02:35:11.069 --> 02:35:17.270
backup that they come up, they make a left, a turn, they go

02:35:17.270 --> 02:35:21.000
up to Point Center, and then they pull into Point Center

02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:28.000
and go back so they can continue going east.

02:35:28.000 --> 02:35:33.000
And it's going to be 150 times worse.

02:35:33.000 --> 02:35:38.000
And I don't understand why there isn't some traffic lights.

02:35:38.000 --> 02:35:42.950
And is that possible, to get a traffic light at 288 in

02:35:42.950 --> 02:35:44.000
Sherman?

02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:50.000
And also, we would need one on Point Center Boulevard.

02:35:50.000 --> 02:35:52.559
Well, to address your question, I know they're doing a

02:35:52.559 --> 02:35:55.229
traffic impact study, and that will determine if there's

02:35:55.229 --> 02:35:57.790
traffic lights that are going to be required or not and at

02:35:57.790 --> 02:35:59.000
what time they would.

02:35:59.000 --> 02:36:01.989
And if the traffic gets to a point, it will then trigger

02:36:01.989 --> 02:36:05.000
and there will be a requirement for traffic lights.

02:36:05.000 --> 02:36:08.110
And I just don't know without the traffic impact analysis

02:36:08.110 --> 02:36:11.180
yet being completed at what threshold that's going to be

02:36:11.180 --> 02:36:12.000
required.

02:36:12.000 --> 02:36:14.809
But city staff is very good at staying on top of those

02:36:14.809 --> 02:36:17.389
things and making sure that it complies with the

02:36:17.389 --> 02:36:20.709
development code and the state requirements for traffic and

02:36:20.709 --> 02:36:23.000
traffic counts and traffic lights.

02:36:23.000 --> 02:36:27.139
That's been going on for a long time now, these cars coming

02:36:27.139 --> 02:36:30.959
in and pulling in and then making a U-turn in the middle of

02:36:30.959 --> 02:36:34.000
, you know, the first part of Point Center.

02:36:34.000 --> 02:36:35.000
Thank you.

02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:37.340
Thank you, ma'am, for taking the time to come out and

02:36:37.340 --> 02:36:39.000
address the Commission tonight.

02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:42.000
I have one other card that was turned in.

02:36:42.000 --> 02:36:46.000
Michael Cohen in opposition?

02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:49.000
Spoke. Thank you.

02:36:49.000 --> 02:36:53.489
Again, this is a public hearing. Anyone else who would like

02:36:53.489 --> 02:36:59.000
to come up and speak on this item, please come forward.

02:36:59.000 --> 02:37:02.000
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

02:37:02.000 --> 02:37:05.920
I'm getting a little cold too, so excuse me. Lance Van Zand

02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:09.739
t, 512 West Hickory here in Denton. I represent the

02:37:09.739 --> 02:37:12.780
applicant and I'm here to speak in favor of the development

02:37:12.780 --> 02:37:13.000
.

02:37:13.000 --> 02:37:15.620
Just wanted to, a couple of questions I'd written down that

02:37:15.620 --> 02:37:17.000
I wanted to try to address.

02:37:17.000 --> 02:37:20.799
There was a number given out about approximately 400 cars

02:37:20.799 --> 02:37:26.209
coming in and out of the development were actually only for

02:37:26.209 --> 02:37:30.000
our site plan or only indicating 268 parking spaces,

02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:32.899
which is a bit in excess of what's required. And of course

02:37:32.899 --> 02:37:36.760
there's a limit to how many the code will allow you to have

02:37:36.760 --> 02:37:39.569
, so they don't want you building more parking spaces than

02:37:39.569 --> 02:37:40.000
you need.

02:37:40.000 --> 02:37:43.510
And we haven't done our traffic impact analysis yet, as you

02:37:43.510 --> 02:37:47.250
heard, but based on a similar project in Denton done within

02:37:47.250 --> 02:37:50.809
the last couple of years, we just pulled real quickly some

02:37:50.809 --> 02:37:52.000
of those numbers.

02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:55.909
We estimate that this development would put at the peak

02:37:55.909 --> 02:38:00.590
hour of traffic somewhere between 80 and 90 cars per hour

02:38:00.590 --> 02:38:02.000
on point setup.

02:38:02.000 --> 02:38:05.319
So that's, again, that's an approximate figure. It's not

02:38:05.319 --> 02:38:08.069
even based on this particular project, but it's a similar

02:38:08.069 --> 02:38:11.030
multifamily project in Denton that's been done within the

02:38:11.030 --> 02:38:12.000
last couple of years.

02:38:12.000 --> 02:38:15.420
So just to give you a ballpark figure. And we will complete

02:38:15.420 --> 02:38:18.780
the traffic impact analysis in the order that these type of

02:38:18.780 --> 02:38:22.000
things are done through the development process.

02:38:22.000 --> 02:38:25.420
So we're not by any means putting anything off in doing

02:38:25.420 --> 02:38:26.000
that.

02:38:26.000 --> 02:38:29.000
I've got a couple questions for you. Commissioner Beck.

02:38:29.000 --> 02:38:32.219
Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Van Zandt, for speaking to

02:38:32.219 --> 02:38:33.000
that issue.

02:38:33.000 --> 02:38:38.459
And then, yeah, that's something we want to take a good,

02:38:38.459 --> 02:38:42.510
hard look at when that TIA comes in. Let me ask you

02:38:42.510 --> 02:38:44.700
something that a homeowner brought up here, the concern

02:38:44.700 --> 02:38:46.000
about the height of some of these apartments.

02:38:46.000 --> 02:38:48.690
I believe you said you're going to build one, two and three

02:38:48.690 --> 02:38:50.000
story apartment units.

02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:51.840
I believe that's correct. I might have to call Mr. Combs up

02:38:51.840 --> 02:38:53.000
on that one, but I believe that's correct.

02:38:53.000 --> 02:38:56.079
Okay. Is there anything set in concrete now where those are

02:38:56.079 --> 02:38:57.000
going to be placed?

02:38:57.000 --> 02:39:01.040
In other words, is there a possibility that we can get the

02:39:01.040 --> 02:39:04.840
one and two stories closer to point set up and the three

02:39:04.840 --> 02:39:08.989
stories further back towards Luke 288? Is that a

02:39:08.989 --> 02:39:11.000
possibility?

02:39:11.000 --> 02:39:13.000
If you'll give your name just so we can keep track on our

02:39:13.000 --> 02:39:13.000
income.

02:39:13.000 --> 02:39:16.159
My name is Mark Combs with Palladium. To answer your

02:39:16.159 --> 02:39:19.479
question, so the funding that we went for and that we put

02:39:19.479 --> 02:39:22.860
in front of City Council, we are locked in in that funding

02:39:22.860 --> 02:39:26.030
with our number of buildings and our unit count and our

02:39:26.030 --> 02:39:28.000
unit mix. We can't change any of these things.

02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:29.969
So we have three story buildings. Now, what we can do, the

02:39:29.969 --> 02:39:32.350
site plan that you've seen is a concept site plan. We can

02:39:32.350 --> 02:39:34.000
move some things around.

02:39:34.000 --> 02:39:37.889
I do think there's some code requirements that we have to

02:39:37.889 --> 02:39:41.940
abide by, but we are fine moving things to help mitigate as

02:39:41.940 --> 02:39:44.000
much as code will allow.

02:39:44.000 --> 02:39:47.000
Okay.

02:39:47.000 --> 02:39:53.000
Maybe I can ask Julie a question regarding that.

02:39:53.000 --> 02:39:55.000
If I may, Chair.

02:39:55.000 --> 02:39:56.000
Sure.

02:39:56.000 --> 02:40:00.010
What is, this is where I always get lost on this, but isn't

02:40:00.010 --> 02:40:03.729
there a height requirement, the closer you are to the

02:40:03.729 --> 02:40:08.739
property line, that it recedes in the height or recedes in

02:40:08.739 --> 02:40:12.000
height as it gets close to the property line?

02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:15.520
For multifamily, we have a residential proximity slope in

02:40:15.520 --> 02:40:17.000
some Chapter 13.

02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:21.340
Which requires that if a building exceeds 40 feet in height

02:40:21.340 --> 02:40:25.329
, that it is stair-stepped back from that residential set

02:40:25.329 --> 02:40:26.000
back.

02:40:26.000 --> 02:40:29.989
So anything over 40 feet would have to step back at an

02:40:29.989 --> 02:40:32.000
angle of 35 degrees.

02:40:32.000 --> 02:40:36.719
So 40 feet, though, could be placed there. That's three

02:40:36.719 --> 02:40:38.000
stories, isn't it?

02:40:38.000 --> 02:40:41.000
Pretty much. Close. Yeah.

02:40:41.000 --> 02:40:44.000
If you're doing eight, nine foot ceilings here.

02:40:44.000 --> 02:40:47.000
Okay. Okay. Thank you.

02:40:47.000 --> 02:40:49.000
Thank you, Mr. Van Zandt.

02:40:49.000 --> 02:40:51.690
Mr. Van Zandt, I had one other question. Commissioner San

02:40:51.690 --> 02:40:52.000
chez?

02:40:52.000 --> 02:40:54.000
Yes, I had a question.

02:40:54.000 --> 02:40:58.239
One of the requests or complaints is that you all haven't

02:40:58.239 --> 02:41:00.000
met with the residents.

02:41:00.000 --> 02:41:02.989
Before you do the, get into the more site, doing the site

02:41:02.989 --> 02:41:05.889
plan and all that, is that, is there a possibility of you

02:41:05.889 --> 02:41:09.229
all meeting with them and making them feel more at ease and

02:41:09.229 --> 02:41:12.790
explaining what you're actually going to do and what, and

02:41:12.790 --> 02:41:13.000
see,

02:41:13.000 --> 02:41:16.000
and get their opinion as to what you can do?

02:41:16.000 --> 02:41:18.690
Yes, we will find a location in the area where we can hold

02:41:18.690 --> 02:41:21.000
a community meeting. Absolutely.

02:41:21.000 --> 02:41:22.000
Okay.

02:41:22.000 --> 02:41:24.600
And, Mr. Chairman, I'll take just a second. One other good

02:41:24.600 --> 02:41:27.879
point that I wanted to address, I believe that Ms. Herman

02:41:27.879 --> 02:41:33.000
may have made, that we were looking at a nine-acre site,

02:41:33.000 --> 02:41:35.549
looking at some of the current allowed uses, and it wouldn

02:41:35.549 --> 02:41:38.000
't be realistic that you put a big box store on nine acres,

02:41:38.000 --> 02:41:40.000
which is correct.

02:41:40.000 --> 02:41:41.000
Any speaker?

02:41:41.000 --> 02:41:43.760
The point had been made that it was not realistic to put a

02:41:43.760 --> 02:41:47.000
big box store on a nine or 10-acre site, which is correct.

02:41:47.000 --> 02:41:50.430
But in fact, the owner that we're purchasing the property

02:41:50.430 --> 02:41:53.000
from has about 20 acres contiguous.

02:41:53.000 --> 02:41:56.250
He's dividing a part of that off to sell to us. So the

02:41:56.250 --> 02:41:59.079
current owner has plenty of property, plenty of room to

02:41:59.079 --> 02:42:03.000
build about any type of retail you'd want to build there.

02:42:03.000 --> 02:42:06.069
And just final point, which is not necessarily zoning, but

02:42:06.069 --> 02:42:08.989
just more practical concern, is I've been driving to and

02:42:08.989 --> 02:42:12.170
from work every day down Sherman Drive for going on 25

02:42:12.170 --> 02:42:13.000
years now.

02:42:13.000 --> 02:42:15.170
So I've sat there and watched those real estate signs,

02:42:15.170 --> 02:42:17.770
weather with age, there on that corner as I've gone back

02:42:17.770 --> 02:42:20.770
and forth before there was a football stadium or an auditor

02:42:20.770 --> 02:42:24.000
ium or anything else in that area.

02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:26.690
So you've said, so the city's essentially surrounded that

02:42:26.690 --> 02:42:29.000
area with public infrastructure that taxpayers have been

02:42:29.000 --> 02:42:30.000
paying for for years.

02:42:30.000 --> 02:42:31.969
And it's essentially a piece of property that for all

02:42:31.969 --> 02:42:34.000
practical purposes is not on the tax rolls today.

02:42:34.000 --> 02:42:37.940
It's for very little value. And I don't want to fear that

02:42:37.940 --> 02:42:41.000
the tax assessor may be in the building.

02:42:41.000 --> 02:42:43.569
I don't want to make any commitments, but my client will be

02:42:43.569 --> 02:42:46.370
putting probably in excess of $20 million improvements on

02:42:46.370 --> 02:42:47.000
the ground.

02:42:47.000 --> 02:42:49.819
We'll be paying approximately half a million dollars in

02:42:49.819 --> 02:42:52.819
wastewater and water impact fees in addition to permit fees

02:42:52.819 --> 02:42:55.000
and the other things we'll be building.

02:42:55.000 --> 02:42:57.989
So we are putting some value on the ground that's that an

02:42:57.989 --> 02:43:01.299
area that's laid dormant there for many, many years, as you

02:43:01.299 --> 02:43:02.000
all know.

02:43:02.000 --> 02:43:06.329
So thank you. That's all I have. Thank you for coming out

02:43:06.329 --> 02:43:08.000
this evening.

02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:10.500
This is a public hearing. Is there anyone else who would

02:43:10.500 --> 02:43:12.000
like to speak on this item?

02:43:12.000 --> 02:43:16.350
And I will go through the cards if not. If you've already

02:43:16.350 --> 02:43:18.000
spoke, if we've already spoken, I'm sorry.

02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:27.000
We have one opportunity in four minutes.

02:43:27.000 --> 02:43:31.049
My name is Denise Tomor. I live at 1614 Point Settas. So

02:43:31.049 --> 02:43:32.719
again, right across the street from me, I just have a

02:43:32.719 --> 02:43:36.000
couple of questions just for clarification purposes.

02:43:36.000 --> 02:43:39.700
And one of the votes tonight is on a zoning change. Correct

02:43:39.700 --> 02:43:40.000
.

02:43:40.000 --> 02:43:44.000
And that is a separate vote from the development. Correct.

02:43:44.000 --> 02:43:47.159
We have two votes. We have one on the zoning and then one

02:43:47.159 --> 02:43:48.000
on the next.

02:43:48.000 --> 02:43:53.750
The property in question, the low income usage, is that

02:43:53.750 --> 02:43:59.000
specific to the development in question?

02:43:59.000 --> 02:44:01.639
My understanding is that is correct that some of that they

02:44:01.639 --> 02:44:03.000
went before city council.

02:44:03.000 --> 02:44:07.139
That's not specific to the piece of property per se, just

02:44:07.139 --> 02:44:10.000
the development in question.

02:44:10.000 --> 02:44:13.159
That would be my understanding unless staff would want to

02:44:13.159 --> 02:44:15.000
make another clarification.

02:44:15.000 --> 02:44:19.000
It's associated with the SUP application, the specific use.

02:44:19.000 --> 02:44:22.799
The specific use of the palladium. So if something else was

02:44:22.799 --> 02:44:27.360
to go in there, it might not be a low income project. Is

02:44:27.360 --> 02:44:30.000
that correct?

02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:35.000
I can't speculate. I'd ask legal to weigh in.

02:44:35.000 --> 02:44:42.280
So what we're kind of going with this is veering away from

02:44:42.280 --> 02:44:45.000
the zoning issue.

02:44:45.000 --> 02:44:49.389
Would recommend that this commission focus on the zoning

02:44:49.389 --> 02:44:51.000
matter before it.

02:44:51.000 --> 02:44:58.329
What tenants occupy that lot shouldn't be considered for

02:44:58.329 --> 02:45:01.000
zoning purposes.

02:45:01.000 --> 02:45:05.000
Right. Again, as I'm saying, there's two different issues.

02:45:05.000 --> 02:45:07.520
We have the zoning issue and then we have the proposed pall

02:45:07.520 --> 02:45:08.000
adium.

02:45:08.000 --> 02:45:13.280
My question is the low income stipulation that is specific

02:45:13.280 --> 02:45:16.000
to the palladium project.

02:45:16.000 --> 02:45:21.000
There's no stipulation attached to any zoning request.

02:45:21.000 --> 02:45:22.000
Okay.

02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:26.000
It's just the proposed project that's going to --

02:45:26.000 --> 02:45:28.000
It's just a lot confusing.

02:45:28.000 --> 02:45:30.000
That's what the developer is proposing to the developer.

02:45:30.000 --> 02:45:37.000
So I'm just trying to get clarification on that.

02:45:37.000 --> 02:45:40.170
If I could ask the applicant to come forward and explain, I

02:45:40.170 --> 02:45:42.809
know what that distinction is, but if you could explain

02:45:42.809 --> 02:45:47.000
what that resolution was about, that might put some light

02:45:47.000 --> 02:45:47.000
on it.

02:45:47.000 --> 02:45:50.000
Exactly. This is a land use discussion.

02:45:50.000 --> 02:45:54.920
So the NRMU is a zoning and the SUP is a land use that

02:45:54.920 --> 02:46:00.000
specifically allows this type of development.

02:46:00.000 --> 02:46:02.000
That's what this is about. What we went in front of City

02:46:02.000 --> 02:46:04.180
Council was our development, who were serving what type of

02:46:04.180 --> 02:46:05.000
development is.

02:46:05.000 --> 02:46:07.000
That was what City Council --

02:46:07.000 --> 02:46:10.180
Can you expand on the purpose for that? It's my

02:46:10.180 --> 02:46:14.000
understanding that there are -- it's a competitive process.

02:46:14.000 --> 02:46:17.420
One of the requirements for you to be even considered for

02:46:17.420 --> 02:46:21.000
this program is that City Council would have to approve --

02:46:21.000 --> 02:46:22.000
not approve, but --

02:46:22.000 --> 02:46:23.000
Support.

02:46:23.000 --> 02:46:24.000
Support it.

02:46:24.000 --> 02:46:26.360
And so it was a resolution of support for that type of

02:46:26.360 --> 02:46:27.000
project.

02:46:27.000 --> 02:46:29.000
It wasn't attached to the zoning request.

02:46:29.000 --> 02:46:30.620
It was not attached to the zoning. It was attached to the

02:46:30.620 --> 02:46:31.000
funding.

02:46:31.000 --> 02:46:34.290
Could you expand maybe the process that you go through in

02:46:34.290 --> 02:46:37.000
one of these projects, just to clear up any --

02:46:37.000 --> 02:46:38.000
Sure.

02:46:38.000 --> 02:46:42.899
So what we do is there's these housing tax credits that are

02:46:42.899 --> 02:46:47.000
IRS makes available through the state of Texas.

02:46:47.000 --> 02:46:49.000
And we go apply for these tax credits.

02:46:49.000 --> 02:46:50.000
It's a competitive process.

02:46:50.000 --> 02:46:55.260
And you get -- you're able to apply for these and get this

02:46:55.260 --> 02:47:00.000
funding if you get support from City Council.

02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:03.219
And there's just certain boxes that you check for this

02:47:03.219 --> 02:47:04.000
funding.

02:47:04.000 --> 02:47:05.000
It's a point system, isn't it?

02:47:05.000 --> 02:47:07.000
That's right. It's a point system.

02:47:07.000 --> 02:47:09.610
And so it has to do with things like dispersion of

02:47:09.610 --> 02:47:11.000
affordable housing.

02:47:11.000 --> 02:47:13.629
You know, right now in Denton, most of the affordable

02:47:13.629 --> 02:47:16.000
housing is on the southeast side of Denton.

02:47:16.000 --> 02:47:19.290
And so this is a census tract, an area of town where there

02:47:19.290 --> 02:47:21.000
is no affordable housing.

02:47:21.000 --> 02:47:24.219
So the state of Texas looked at this area and said this is

02:47:24.219 --> 02:47:27.479
a high opportunity area because there is no affordable

02:47:27.479 --> 02:47:29.000
housing in this area.

02:47:29.000 --> 02:47:31.350
And so those are some of the boxes that we're able to check

02:47:31.350 --> 02:47:33.000
to be competitive in this process.

02:47:33.000 --> 02:47:35.000
And that's what we brought in front of City Council.

02:47:35.000 --> 02:47:37.690
Now, when we look for sites, we also look for sites that

02:47:37.690 --> 02:47:39.000
are entitled and zoned.

02:47:39.000 --> 02:47:41.000
We saw this site with CMG.

02:47:41.000 --> 02:47:44.000
It already allowed multifamily.

02:47:44.000 --> 02:47:46.420
And so that's why we started pursuing this site and have

02:47:46.420 --> 02:47:49.000
been working on it since February with that understanding

02:47:49.000 --> 02:47:50.000
that allows multifamily.

02:47:50.000 --> 02:47:54.180
And it's only been very recently that this L6, we decided,

02:47:54.180 --> 02:47:58.129
you know, with staff's recommendation, hey, let's go

02:47:58.129 --> 02:48:03.000
basically remove this L6 because that puts the land use --

02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:08.649
I think what the question was is has the City Council voted

02:48:08.649 --> 02:48:13.190
on the zoning itself, but you're saying that that was just

02:48:13.190 --> 02:48:16.000
a resolution supporting the development.

02:48:16.000 --> 02:48:20.000
This is the first time that we're discussing the zoning.

02:48:20.000 --> 02:48:22.000
Correct.

02:48:22.000 --> 02:48:23.000
Does that answer your question?

02:48:23.000 --> 02:48:25.000
Yes.

02:48:25.000 --> 02:48:26.000
Okay.

02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:28.000
This is a public hearing.

02:48:28.000 --> 02:48:30.700
Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come

02:48:30.700 --> 02:48:32.000
forward at this time.

02:48:32.000 --> 02:48:35.280
If you've spoken on the item and haven't submitted a card,

02:48:35.280 --> 02:48:37.000
please do so before you go.

02:48:37.000 --> 02:48:39.000
I'm going to just go through these.

02:48:39.000 --> 02:48:45.360
I have a card from Ann Keeling, 1308 Martin, and it is

02:48:45.360 --> 02:48:47.000
opposition.

02:48:47.000 --> 02:48:52.000
Patrick Keeling, same address, opposition.

02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:59.959
Joyce and Lutizer Espinoza, 1304 Martin Boulevard,

02:48:59.959 --> 02:49:02.000
opposition.

02:49:02.000 --> 02:49:08.000
Martha Cahill, 2106 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:15.000
Lana Knox, 2102 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:49:15.000 --> 02:49:20.000
Martha Davis, 3915 Teal, opposition.

02:49:20.000 --> 02:49:27.000
Nancy Martin, 2002 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:49:27.000 --> 02:49:31.000
Nancy Martin, opposition.

02:49:31.000 --> 02:49:38.000
Lana Knox, 2102 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:49:38.000 --> 02:49:41.350
I think some of these may be duplicates, 5C and 5D, but I

02:49:41.350 --> 02:49:43.000
will read them in anyway.

02:49:43.000 --> 02:49:48.000
Martha Hill, 2106 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:49:48.000 --> 02:49:54.000
James Wilder, 3903 Teal, opposition.

02:49:54.000 --> 02:50:00.000
Betty Powell, 2101 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:07.000
Katherine Warbach, 1918 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:50:07.000 --> 02:50:13.000
Dina McCleskey, 1618 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:19.000
Dina Rogers, 2202 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:50:19.000 --> 02:50:25.000
Kay Standifer, 1710 Poinsettia, opposition.

02:50:25.000 --> 02:50:30.000
Kathy Smith, 3923 Teal, opposition.

02:50:30.000 --> 02:50:32.000
And those are all the cards I have.

02:50:32.000 --> 02:50:34.000
Again, this is still a public hearing, still open.

02:50:34.000 --> 02:50:37.340
If there's anyone else who would like to come before us and

02:50:37.340 --> 02:50:42.000
speak on this item, please do so at this time.

02:50:42.000 --> 02:50:46.000
I just wanted to go ahead.

02:50:46.000 --> 02:50:48.209
I'm sorry, make a clarification because I know there's a

02:50:48.209 --> 02:50:51.000
lot of discussion regarding what's permitted under CMG,

02:50:51.000 --> 02:50:53.000
what's permitted under NRMU.

02:50:53.000 --> 02:50:55.989
Under the existing CMG, just to sort of put it in

02:50:55.989 --> 02:51:00.729
perspective, if they were to add commercial on the ground

02:51:00.729 --> 02:51:02.000
floor of their development,

02:51:02.000 --> 02:51:07.000
it could push it up to six stories.

02:51:07.000 --> 02:51:12.200
If they did that, we would not be here tonight. That would

02:51:12.200 --> 02:51:13.000
be permitted under the existing zone.

02:51:13.000 --> 02:51:16.000
So as long as they did commercial on that ground floor,

02:51:16.000 --> 02:51:19.000
again, that would not require a specific use permit.

02:51:19.000 --> 02:51:23.000
And so I just wanted to make sure everyone understood that.

02:51:23.000 --> 02:51:27.110
So they could go to a height of 65 feet, whether it's CMG

02:51:27.110 --> 02:51:28.000
or NRMU.

02:51:28.000 --> 02:51:30.350
So I just wanted to make sure that was clear because I know

02:51:30.350 --> 02:51:32.799
there's been a lot of back and forth about what's permitted

02:51:32.799 --> 02:51:34.000
, what's not permitted.

02:51:34.000 --> 02:51:43.000
Thank you.

02:51:43.000 --> 02:51:45.000
Again, this is a public hearing.

02:51:45.000 --> 02:51:48.889
Anyone else who would like to speak on this item before I

02:51:48.889 --> 02:51:51.000
close the public hearing?

02:51:51.000 --> 02:51:53.000
Anyone else?

02:51:53.000 --> 02:51:56.739
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and I will

02:51:56.739 --> 02:52:00.879
call on Julie on a question answered and then we'll get

02:52:00.879 --> 02:52:03.000
started on discussion.

02:52:03.000 --> 02:52:07.799
Did you have, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but I

02:52:07.799 --> 02:52:09.000
did.

02:52:09.000 --> 02:52:14.000
There is no maximum density for multifamily in CMG.

02:52:14.000 --> 02:52:18.549
So any density is permitted as long as they fit within the

02:52:18.549 --> 02:52:21.000
bulk and dimensional requirements in the zoning district.

02:52:21.000 --> 02:52:23.000
Is there a size requirement?

02:52:23.000 --> 02:52:24.000
For?

02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:25.000
The unit?

02:52:25.000 --> 02:52:26.000
Yes.

02:52:26.000 --> 02:52:35.000
Minimum 500 square feet.

02:52:35.000 --> 02:52:36.000
Okay.

02:52:36.000 --> 02:52:39.809
So with that, they're unlimited, essentially, unless they

02:52:39.809 --> 02:52:43.430
're 500 square foot units, there's not a limit of the number

02:52:43.430 --> 02:52:44.000
of units.

02:52:44.000 --> 02:52:46.049
As long as they could park it and it stayed within that

02:52:46.049 --> 02:52:47.000
building envelope.

02:52:47.000 --> 02:52:56.430
Okay. So again, this commission's faced with a choice of

02:52:56.430 --> 02:52:56.959
what's permitted, which is much higher density, much higher

02:52:56.959 --> 02:52:58.000
use by right,

02:52:58.000 --> 02:53:01.739
versus taking an opportunity that I know is not popular by

02:53:01.739 --> 02:53:06.000
the neighborhood and essentially down zoning that property

02:53:06.000 --> 02:53:09.000
with putting limitations as far as density

02:53:09.000 --> 02:53:13.549
and some of the other requirements that are part of an NRMU

02:53:13.549 --> 02:53:17.000
versus a CMG and what else could go into CMG.

02:53:17.000 --> 02:53:19.670
And that's really the choices that this commission has

02:53:19.670 --> 02:53:22.319
legally by right for this property based on the current

02:53:22.319 --> 02:53:23.000
zoning.

02:53:23.000 --> 02:53:24.000
Yes, sir.

02:53:24.000 --> 02:53:25.000
Okay.

02:53:25.000 --> 02:53:26.000
Thanks for the clarification.

02:53:26.000 --> 02:53:28.000
Hang on, Julie.

02:53:28.000 --> 02:53:29.000
Commissioner Beck.

02:53:29.000 --> 02:53:30.000
Thank you, Chair.

02:53:30.000 --> 02:53:33.000
Did have a question for staff since you're here.

02:53:33.000 --> 02:53:40.000
One of the, again, one of the residents is here suggested

02:53:40.000 --> 02:53:43.549
or hoped for that maybe we could build townhouses on the

02:53:43.549 --> 02:53:45.000
other side of that.

02:53:45.000 --> 02:53:55.889
My question to you is, does either NRMU or CMG allow town

02:53:55.889 --> 02:54:03.000
home duplexes, anything like that?

02:54:03.000 --> 02:54:16.250
NRMU permits townhomes with a limitation that they cannot

02:54:16.250 --> 02:54:25.000
exceed 12 dwelling units per acre.

02:54:25.000 --> 02:54:34.739
And CM, I'm sorry, CMG does not permit townhomes, single

02:54:34.739 --> 02:54:37.000
family homes or duplexes.

02:54:37.000 --> 02:54:40.739
It permits dwellings above businesses, live and live work

02:54:40.739 --> 02:54:44.000
units and multifamily with the L6 and the L4.

02:54:44.000 --> 02:54:45.000
Okay.

02:54:45.000 --> 02:54:49.450
So by leaving the zone status as is, we can't build townh

02:54:49.450 --> 02:54:51.000
omes over there.

02:54:51.000 --> 02:54:52.000
No, sir.

02:54:52.000 --> 02:54:54.899
So we'd have to change it to NRMU for any prospect of doing

02:54:54.899 --> 02:54:56.000
that, correct?

02:54:56.000 --> 02:54:57.000
Yes, sir.

02:54:57.000 --> 02:54:58.000
Okay.

02:54:58.000 --> 02:54:59.000
Thank you.

02:54:59.000 --> 02:55:00.000
Sure.

02:55:00.000 --> 02:55:03.000
Okay.

02:55:03.000 --> 02:55:04.000
Commissioner Elms.

02:55:04.000 --> 02:55:05.000
Thank you, Chair.

02:55:05.000 --> 02:55:09.280
I am curious if we have a percentage after the cards you

02:55:09.280 --> 02:55:10.000
read.

02:55:10.000 --> 02:55:11.000
If we have a what?

02:55:11.000 --> 02:55:14.000
If we have a percentage of opposition at this point.

02:55:14.000 --> 02:55:17.360
There were an awful lot of cards read on points set at this

02:55:17.360 --> 02:55:18.000
point.

02:55:18.000 --> 02:55:20.000
So is anyone keeping track of that?

02:55:20.000 --> 02:55:22.819
Well, the percentage is based upon the land area and not

02:55:22.819 --> 02:55:25.000
necessarily the number of homeowners.

02:55:25.000 --> 02:55:27.000
I don't have that information with us.

02:55:27.000 --> 02:55:30.409
That is something that we will calculate prior to city

02:55:30.409 --> 02:55:31.000
council.

02:55:31.000 --> 02:55:37.370
And if it does exceed that 20%, then it would require a

02:55:37.370 --> 02:55:40.000
supermajority vote.

02:55:40.000 --> 02:55:41.000
We've closed the public hearing.

02:55:41.000 --> 02:55:43.000
So I'm going to open the floor here now.

02:55:43.000 --> 02:55:45.760
Appreciate you providing that information for us to have

02:55:45.760 --> 02:55:47.000
further discussion.

02:55:47.000 --> 02:55:48.000
Commissioner Beck.

02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:50.409
You know, just like to make some comments in light of

02:55:50.409 --> 02:55:52.000
everything that's been said here.

02:55:52.000 --> 02:55:53.000
Maybe I'll make a motion later.

02:55:53.000 --> 02:55:54.000
I'm not sure yet right now.

02:55:54.000 --> 02:55:57.639
But what I'm seeing in the hearing and what I'm empathizing

02:55:57.639 --> 02:56:03.000
with is a group of people who have lived in an area that is

02:56:03.000 --> 02:56:04.000
, in their opinion,

02:56:04.000 --> 02:56:07.229
experiencing some problems with traffic now and they're

02:56:07.229 --> 02:56:10.000
concerned about it increasing and getting worse,

02:56:10.000 --> 02:56:15.389
that whatever happens there and the feeling seems to be the

02:56:15.389 --> 02:56:20.360
departments are going to be more threatening than

02:56:20.360 --> 02:56:23.000
commercial property,

02:56:23.000 --> 02:56:26.000
that lifestyle over there is going to be disrupted.

02:56:26.000 --> 02:56:28.000
It's going to change.

02:56:28.000 --> 02:56:33.219
And the thing is the dilemma we're facing here is whether

02:56:33.219 --> 02:56:35.000
it be CMG or NRMU,

02:56:35.000 --> 02:56:39.450
there is going to be some development there in that area is

02:56:39.450 --> 02:56:43.000
going to change and thus the lifestyle is.

02:56:43.000 --> 02:56:45.000
I think we've tried to make a point here.

02:56:45.000 --> 02:56:52.459
At least I'm seeing that NRMU is the least offensive zoning

02:56:52.459 --> 02:56:58.000
as opposed to CMG, which is there now.

02:56:58.000 --> 02:57:03.000
And by supporting a zone change request to NRMU ameliorates

02:57:03.000 --> 02:57:08.000
a lot of problems that you'd be facing if we remained CMG.

02:57:08.000 --> 02:57:10.000
That's a likely area for growth.

02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:14.309
I think somebody from the city commented earlier today that

02:57:14.309 --> 02:57:18.000
North Denton is finally starting to take off on growth.

02:57:18.000 --> 02:57:19.000
Everything's happened south.

02:57:19.000 --> 02:57:21.000
So it's all coming this way now.

02:57:21.000 --> 02:57:23.780
So come hell or high water, we're going to see some changes

02:57:23.780 --> 02:57:25.000
here and some of them we're not going to like.

02:57:25.000 --> 02:57:27.000
And I agree.

02:57:27.000 --> 02:57:29.000
I've seen a lot of it too.

02:57:29.000 --> 02:57:33.629
Where I live up there, it was an empty lot where there's a

02:57:33.629 --> 02:57:36.000
Pentecostal church now.

02:57:36.000 --> 02:57:38.000
Before that was just all empty in there.

02:57:38.000 --> 02:57:40.020
And they wanted to build some apartments in there and

02:57:40.020 --> 02:57:42.489
enough people went over and protested and they backed down

02:57:42.489 --> 02:57:43.000
on that.

02:57:43.000 --> 02:57:45.000
We've got a housing development in there.

02:57:45.000 --> 02:57:52.110
So I understand the fear and the concern of apartments, of

02:57:52.110 --> 02:57:54.540
any kind of development coming in and changing what you

02:57:54.540 --> 02:57:55.000
have.

02:57:55.000 --> 02:58:00.000
But the fact of the matter is we can't rezone it.

02:58:00.000 --> 02:58:01.930
Pretty sure that just isn't something that's going to

02:58:01.930 --> 02:58:03.000
happen automatically.

02:58:03.000 --> 02:58:06.010
That has to happen at the city council level if I can get a

02:58:06.010 --> 02:58:07.000
nod or a shake.

02:58:07.000 --> 02:58:09.000
Yeah.

02:58:09.000 --> 02:58:11.000
So we won't go into that.

02:58:11.000 --> 02:58:14.000
So we're stuck with looking at CMG and NRMU.

02:58:14.000 --> 02:58:20.149
And it seems to me that our choices are if we're going to

02:58:20.149 --> 02:58:25.909
help the area residents that we want to do the least

02:58:25.909 --> 02:58:28.000
restrictive.

02:58:28.000 --> 02:58:30.000
And that would be NRMU.

02:58:30.000 --> 02:58:33.610
So I'll leave it there, see if there's any more comment and

02:58:33.610 --> 02:58:36.000
maybe I'll come back with a motion.

02:58:36.000 --> 02:58:38.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

02:58:38.000 --> 02:58:43.000
Yeah, one of the -- I think there's two questions here.

02:58:43.000 --> 02:58:46.799
I think most of you are opposed to having the apartment

02:58:46.799 --> 02:58:49.000
complex across the street.

02:58:49.000 --> 02:58:54.059
But I think one of the things that you weren't aware of is

02:58:54.059 --> 02:59:00.319
that what's allowed under the different categories under NR

02:59:00.319 --> 02:59:03.000
MU and CMG.

02:59:03.000 --> 02:59:08.000
And I think that now that that information has come down,

02:59:08.000 --> 02:59:10.000
has been exposed,

02:59:10.000 --> 02:59:13.049
you're beginning to understand that it's not just -- it's

02:59:13.049 --> 02:59:15.000
just not the apartment complex.

02:59:15.000 --> 02:59:17.000
There's two issues here.

02:59:17.000 --> 02:59:20.559
And if you don't -- and that's why one of the questions I

02:59:20.559 --> 02:59:24.000
ask is are they willing to meet with you all in the future

02:59:24.000 --> 02:59:29.000
to try to mitigate some of your concerns?

02:59:29.000 --> 02:59:31.000
And maybe it's just my opinion.

02:59:31.000 --> 02:59:34.739
I think most of you would be willing to have this changed

02:59:34.739 --> 02:59:38.000
to NRMU rather than have the other category.

02:59:38.000 --> 02:59:43.219
Now it's a matter of being able to -- how can you mitigate

02:59:43.219 --> 02:59:45.000
your concerns?

02:59:45.000 --> 02:59:49.500
And I believe that the developers said yes, they're willing

02:59:49.500 --> 02:59:50.000
to meet with you.

02:59:50.000 --> 02:59:54.350
And it's something that you all can pursue now is trying to

02:59:54.350 --> 02:59:59.000
get some mitigation there that will make you feel at ease.

02:59:59.000 --> 03:00:04.100
As far as traffic, I think here in Denton, traffic is bad

03:00:04.100 --> 03:00:06.000
all over the city.

03:00:06.000 --> 03:00:09.209
I mean, I remember 20 years ago you could go from one side

03:00:09.209 --> 03:00:11.000
of town to the other in no time.

03:00:11.000 --> 03:00:12.000
Now it takes you forever.

03:00:12.000 --> 03:00:15.000
It's just a matter of the beast is growing.

03:00:15.000 --> 03:00:18.340
And sometimes we just have to put up with it and hope that

03:00:18.340 --> 03:00:21.870
the city continues to develop the roads as the population

03:00:21.870 --> 03:00:23.000
gets larger.

03:00:23.000 --> 03:00:27.000
But our concern here is basically the zoning.

03:00:27.000 --> 03:00:30.870
And I think if you really come down to it, I really believe

03:00:30.870 --> 03:00:34.489
-- this is my belief -- that you would rather -- and maybe

03:00:34.489 --> 03:00:35.000
I'm wrong,

03:00:35.000 --> 03:00:42.079
but I'm just throwing this out -- I do believe the NRMU

03:00:42.079 --> 03:00:48.000
serves you better than the other zoning.

03:00:48.000 --> 03:00:49.000
Commissioner Ellis.

03:00:49.000 --> 03:00:50.000
Thank you, Chair.

03:00:50.000 --> 03:00:52.000
Yeah, I'm just going to piggyback on that a little bit.

03:00:52.000 --> 03:00:55.979
The NRMU downzoning from what it is currently really does

03:00:55.979 --> 03:00:58.000
offer you some protections.

03:00:58.000 --> 03:01:01.920
And it will give you a voice, especially if they've agreed

03:01:01.920 --> 03:01:05.579
to meet with you in their site plan as they move forward

03:01:05.579 --> 03:01:07.000
with the development.

03:01:07.000 --> 03:01:10.000
As well, someone had brought up earlier what the PNZ is.

03:01:10.000 --> 03:01:13.000
And PNZ is a recommending body to city council.

03:01:13.000 --> 03:01:16.000
So you will have another public hearing at city council.

03:01:16.000 --> 03:01:20.309
If you do want to speak again, they will vote on the issue

03:01:20.309 --> 03:01:21.000
next.

03:01:21.000 --> 03:01:24.000
We vote on it as a recommending body to them.

03:01:24.000 --> 03:01:26.000
That's what our role is in this.

03:01:26.000 --> 03:01:29.510
But if you do want to speak again and voice the concerns

03:01:29.510 --> 03:01:33.159
that you did with us, you will have the opportunity when

03:01:33.159 --> 03:01:34.000
city council hears this.

03:01:34.000 --> 03:01:38.000
It will be noticed, just like it was.

03:01:38.000 --> 03:01:42.700
And you'll get that letter again and the date of when that

03:01:42.700 --> 03:01:44.000
meeting is.

03:01:44.000 --> 03:01:48.719
Well, I'm going to -- before I recognize Larry, I'm going

03:01:48.719 --> 03:01:51.000
to be voting in support of this.

03:01:51.000 --> 03:01:53.989
And the reason being is for a lot of the reasons I've

03:01:53.989 --> 03:01:58.159
already tried to share with you all this evening is the

03:01:58.159 --> 03:02:01.000
zoning is in place now for multifamily.

03:02:01.000 --> 03:02:03.000
And it doesn't have a limitation on it.

03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:05.000
It's the number of units.

03:02:05.000 --> 03:02:09.000
So the NRMU does put some limitations on it.

03:02:09.000 --> 03:02:11.729
Now, whether they go forward with an apartment community or

03:02:11.729 --> 03:02:15.299
not, once it is rezoned, it is rezoned permanently unless

03:02:15.299 --> 03:02:18.350
someone comes back and makes another application to change

03:02:18.350 --> 03:02:19.000
the zoning.

03:02:19.000 --> 03:02:21.989
So if these gentlemen want to move forward and hopefully

03:02:21.989 --> 03:02:25.030
they will determine this project is successful and want to

03:02:25.030 --> 03:02:28.000
move forward, that's what will be built there.

03:02:28.000 --> 03:02:31.739
If for some reason they do not, the zoning that's approved

03:02:31.739 --> 03:02:35.579
tonight and then moves on to city council for consideration

03:02:35.579 --> 03:02:37.000
will stay in place.

03:02:37.000 --> 03:02:41.000
So that property will be downzoned from CMG to NRMU.

03:02:41.000 --> 03:02:43.989
And all the things that can go there currently by right,

03:02:43.989 --> 03:02:46.989
doesn't have to come before this commission, that can go

03:02:46.989 --> 03:02:50.399
down and pull a building permit and get started on it, will

03:02:50.399 --> 03:02:54.000
change and it will be brought back to an NRMU.

03:02:54.000 --> 03:02:58.139
And if I was in your neighborhood and I was faced with the

03:02:58.139 --> 03:03:02.360
option myself personally of having CMG right across the

03:03:02.360 --> 03:03:07.000
street from me or NRMU, I would take the NRMU personally.

03:03:07.000 --> 03:03:10.870
And because of that and putting myself in your position is

03:03:10.870 --> 03:03:14.579
why I'm going to vote in support of this because I do feel

03:03:14.579 --> 03:03:18.819
like it is a down zone and it's the best case scenario for

03:03:18.819 --> 03:03:22.000
what could go there for your neighborhood.

03:03:22.000 --> 03:03:24.000
I know none of you are happy about it.

03:03:24.000 --> 03:03:26.000
I understand it.

03:03:26.000 --> 03:03:30.000
That property has been there vacant for many years.

03:03:30.000 --> 03:03:33.389
I remember as a high school kid cutting hay and hauling hay

03:03:33.389 --> 03:03:37.000
on that corner over there and that's been in the 80s.

03:03:37.000 --> 03:03:39.000
That's about as far as I'll go on that.

03:03:39.000 --> 03:03:42.219
But anyway, it's been a long time and I know you all have

03:03:42.219 --> 03:03:45.719
had a great neighborhood over there and it's very difficult

03:03:45.719 --> 03:03:49.180
for all of us who have grown up in Denton and been here a

03:03:49.180 --> 03:03:54.319
long time and are accustomed to it's a big open field or it

03:03:54.319 --> 03:03:56.000
's a field covered with trees,

03:03:56.000 --> 03:03:58.700
those things are going to change and that's just

03:03:58.700 --> 03:04:02.020
unfortunately a part of the process that we're all going to

03:04:02.020 --> 03:04:05.409
experience as long time residents of Denton that things are

03:04:05.409 --> 03:04:10.579
going to be built out, property owners are going to develop

03:04:10.579 --> 03:04:13.840
those properties that have been around and we may not like

03:04:13.840 --> 03:04:14.000
it.

03:04:14.000 --> 03:04:17.370
But it is going to happen and so there are some inconven

03:04:17.370 --> 03:04:20.659
iences from that but then there are some pluses as the

03:04:20.659 --> 03:04:24.250
revenues and the things that come to our city then provide

03:04:24.250 --> 03:04:28.770
the money to build the infrastructure, to improve the roads

03:04:28.770 --> 03:04:32.329
, traffic signals and all the things that come along with

03:04:32.329 --> 03:04:35.559
that that sometimes we don't consider on this side of it

03:04:35.559 --> 03:04:37.000
and then we look at it on the other.

03:04:37.000 --> 03:04:40.979
For example, for all of us, Razor Ranch and what was over

03:04:40.979 --> 03:04:44.729
there on University Drive before they did all of those

03:04:44.729 --> 03:04:47.000
improvements was a nightmare.

03:04:47.000 --> 03:04:50.200
And thank goodness those guys came in and they widened all

03:04:50.200 --> 03:04:53.299
of that and redid all of that and solved a lot of problems

03:04:53.299 --> 03:04:56.450
over there and that's been a big change over there on that

03:04:56.450 --> 03:04:59.280
side of town that a lot of us go over there and use those

03:04:59.280 --> 03:05:00.000
facilities.

03:05:00.000 --> 03:05:03.049
And unfortunately for you all some of those things are

03:05:03.049 --> 03:05:06.370
going to happen in your neighborhood and whether it's this

03:05:06.370 --> 03:05:09.950
project or another one, the corner there at Loop 288 and

03:05:09.950 --> 03:05:13.350
Sherman Drive will have some high intense use there because

03:05:13.350 --> 03:05:16.100
it is too much of a gateway into our city for a lot of

03:05:16.100 --> 03:05:19.000
people that live to the north of us.

03:05:19.000 --> 03:05:22.680
So because of all of those things I'm going to support it.

03:05:22.680 --> 03:05:25.969
I know you all aren't happy about it but I do think it's

03:05:25.969 --> 03:05:29.579
the best scenario for your neighborhood to be able to take

03:05:29.579 --> 03:05:33.000
the opportunity to down zone it from CMG to NRMU.

03:05:33.000 --> 03:05:38.000
With that I'll recognize Commissioner Beck for a motion.

03:05:38.000 --> 03:05:43.010
For a motion just let me say something that's probably not

03:05:43.010 --> 03:05:47.809
much comfort but it's a positive in the right direction

03:05:47.809 --> 03:05:51.250
concerning traffic. Some of you may know eventually Point

03:05:51.250 --> 03:05:53.750
Setia will eventually connect to Loop 288 but only when a

03:05:53.750 --> 03:05:55.000
frontage road is built in there.

03:05:55.000 --> 03:05:58.100
So that but when that's done that'll alleviate some of the

03:05:58.100 --> 03:06:01.129
traffic going out that way instead of having to come back

03:06:01.129 --> 03:06:03.000
down Point Setia and hit Sherman.

03:06:03.000 --> 03:06:06.649
And I believe in the developer can correct me if I'm wrong

03:06:06.649 --> 03:06:10.219
that once that developments done there's going to be an

03:06:10.219 --> 03:06:12.000
outlet on the north side.

03:06:12.000 --> 03:06:15.229
As that area develops that will allow traffic going out

03:06:15.229 --> 03:06:18.569
that way. Is that correct? Okay, so that's an area that

03:06:18.569 --> 03:06:22.049
will impact traffic in a positive manner. So with that

03:06:22.049 --> 03:06:25.340
being said, and it's hard to sit there and vote for

03:06:25.340 --> 03:06:29.000
something that I understand you're all opposed to.

03:06:29.000 --> 03:06:32.870
But we've got two choices we do nothing and leave it at CMG

03:06:32.870 --> 03:06:36.729
, or we put the less restrictive NRMU in there so I motion

03:06:36.729 --> 03:06:42.639
that my move that we approve the zone change from CMG to NR

03:06:42.639 --> 03:06:43.000
MU.

03:06:43.000 --> 03:06:44.000
Okay.

03:06:44.000 --> 03:06:50.129
We have a first Commissioner Sanchez. I second it. Okay. We

03:06:50.129 --> 03:06:52.000
have a first and a second for approval.

03:06:52.000 --> 03:06:57.000
Any further discussion.

03:06:57.000 --> 03:07:00.350
Well thank all of you all for coming out. I hope we've

03:07:00.350 --> 03:07:03.739
tried to answer all of your questions and provided as much

03:07:03.739 --> 03:07:06.000
information as we can on this item.

03:07:06.000 --> 03:07:13.000
And with that I will call for a vote on the board.

03:07:13.000 --> 03:07:19.000
That motion is going to carry four to zero.

03:07:19.000 --> 03:07:22.739
We will now go on to the second part of this item for the

03:07:22.739 --> 03:07:26.729
consideration of an SUV for those of you who would like to

03:07:26.729 --> 03:07:30.649
leave, please go to go on and we'll let the room clear and

03:07:30.649 --> 03:07:35.000
if you'd like to stay you're welcome to stay for this, this

03:07:35.000 --> 03:07:43.000
part of our agenda.

03:07:43.000 --> 03:07:56.000
Thank you.

03:07:56.000 --> 03:08:03.729
We're going to hear the second part of this for SUP so you

03:08:03.729 --> 03:08:11.610
are more than welcome to stay and come back up and address

03:08:11.610 --> 03:08:14.000
us on the SUP. So please stay if you'd like.

03:08:14.000 --> 03:08:20.889
I'm going to I think the room's just about cleared and I'm

03:08:20.889 --> 03:08:27.639
going to open public hearing and then we'll open it up on

03:08:27.639 --> 03:08:30.229
the floor here. So this time I'm going to open the public

03:08:30.229 --> 03:08:30.670
hearing for item D, S17-0010 and I will call on Julie White

03:08:30.670 --> 03:08:31.000
mostly for introduction.

03:08:31.000 --> 03:08:36.709
I know we've already done the presentation with just a

03:08:36.709 --> 03:08:42.000
clarification of what's on the next on the agenda.

03:08:42.000 --> 03:08:46.989
All right. So the request is for specific use permit for a

03:08:46.989 --> 03:08:49.600
multifamily development staff does recommend approval of

03:08:49.600 --> 03:08:52.069
the request and I believe there was a question regarding

03:08:52.069 --> 03:08:53.000
notification.

03:08:53.000 --> 03:09:01.040
We do send out a certified letter for property owners

03:09:01.040 --> 03:09:11.659
within 200 feet of the request and residents within 500

03:09:11.659 --> 03:09:17.510
feet. So I can show a map. The 200 feet captures fewer

03:09:17.510 --> 03:09:19.440
people than one would imagine. It just captured some

03:09:19.440 --> 03:09:20.770
residents essentially on point set up and then the 500 feet

03:09:20.770 --> 03:09:22.000
captured some more residents into the neighborhood.

03:09:22.000 --> 03:09:25.739
This is a public hearing. I know we have been through this

03:09:25.739 --> 03:09:28.959
item but anyone who would like to speak on this item please

03:09:28.959 --> 03:09:32.569
come forward. It will be the same process. Give us your

03:09:32.569 --> 03:09:36.360
name and address and fill out another card for us or you

03:09:36.360 --> 03:09:40.010
may have already asked if we need to fill out another card

03:09:40.010 --> 03:09:46.000
or.

03:09:46.000 --> 03:09:49.770
Hi, my name is Jean Marie Goff and I live on Manton Boule

03:09:49.770 --> 03:09:53.729
vard and on this issue I just wanted to bring up again from

03:09:53.729 --> 03:10:00.000
listening to everything that with these 150 units Mr.

03:10:00.000 --> 03:10:05.459
Combs mentioned that 93 of the units will be open for the

03:10:05.459 --> 03:10:11.239
lower income and the other 57 will be no restrictions. So

03:10:11.239 --> 03:10:16.030
over half of the occupants are going to be on the lower

03:10:16.030 --> 03:10:21.069
income side and I just like to say I have an opposition to

03:10:21.069 --> 03:10:22.000
that.

03:10:22.000 --> 03:10:25.239
Okay. I know that something is going in there. I have known

03:10:25.239 --> 03:10:28.620
that for 16 years since I have been there. I know something

03:10:28.620 --> 03:10:33.239
is going to go there. I agree I think the NRMU I already

03:10:33.239 --> 03:10:37.000
said is a benefit to our neighborhood.

03:10:37.000 --> 03:10:41.770
And I do have a problem with these apartments and with them

03:10:41.770 --> 03:10:46.319
being three stories and I want to go on record as stating

03:10:46.319 --> 03:10:50.770
that again that three stories as opposed to our single

03:10:50.770 --> 03:10:53.000
family homes is a bit much.

03:10:53.000 --> 03:10:58.280
And I really would like to ask the developer, the builder

03:10:58.280 --> 03:11:00.000
to reconsider.

03:11:00.000 --> 03:11:04.459
I do have a bone to pick with Bel Air Development. They

03:11:04.459 --> 03:11:09.440
currently own the corner, the northeast corner of Poinsett

03:11:09.440 --> 03:11:14.870
ia and Sherman, and they have never once in 16 years come

03:11:14.870 --> 03:11:19.000
out and done any maintenance on that corner.

03:11:19.000 --> 03:11:22.110
The neighborhood takes care of that. We have no homeowners

03:11:22.110 --> 03:11:25.750
association. I've tried to call Bel Air Development and I

03:11:25.750 --> 03:11:29.000
've never gotten any farther than a secretary.

03:11:29.000 --> 03:11:32.110
I've left my name and I've left my number. So they already

03:11:32.110 --> 03:11:35.950
have left a bad taste in my mouth that they don't seem to

03:11:35.950 --> 03:11:39.000
be good stewards of our neighborhood.

03:11:39.000 --> 03:11:42.920
So I hope that they will meet with us when they do decide

03:11:42.920 --> 03:11:47.000
whatever it is they're going to build. I appreciate it.

03:11:47.000 --> 03:11:48.000
Thank you.

03:11:48.000 --> 03:11:56.000
Thanks again for coming out tonight.

03:11:56.000 --> 03:12:03.000
Thank you. Kamil Hazard again, 1514 Poinsettia. I

03:12:03.000 --> 03:12:03.000
appreciate you guys giving us another opportunity to speak

03:12:03.000 --> 03:12:03.000
on this.

03:12:03.000 --> 03:12:06.870
I would like to ask that we could possibly table this for a

03:12:06.870 --> 03:12:10.799
vote until after the developer gives us an opportunity to

03:12:10.799 --> 03:12:15.000
meet with them and discuss our significant concerns.

03:12:15.000 --> 03:12:19.389
I'd hate for this to be approved and then they blow us off

03:12:19.389 --> 03:12:23.610
or don't take our concerns into account when they're

03:12:23.610 --> 03:12:26.549
obviously substantial. A three story apartment complex

03:12:26.549 --> 03:12:29.000
would completely change the look and feel of our community.

03:12:29.000 --> 03:12:32.000
And as well as the traffic and parking problems that we're

03:12:32.000 --> 03:12:34.989
anticipating. So I would ask you guys to if you can just

03:12:34.989 --> 03:12:38.000
table it until we can meet with them, discuss it.

03:12:38.000 --> 03:12:42.229
And then if we do have concerns going forward, you know, we

03:12:42.229 --> 03:12:45.579
have another opportunity to speak. Thank you. Again, I

03:12:45.579 --> 03:12:46.930
think Commissioner Ellis said we're just going to be a

03:12:46.930 --> 03:12:48.000
recommending body to City Council.

03:12:48.000 --> 03:12:50.989
So this will go on and City Council will have a final say

03:12:50.989 --> 03:12:55.000
on both of these matters that are coming before us. Okay.

03:12:55.000 --> 03:12:58.969
But would it be possible for you guys to at least tell them

03:12:58.969 --> 03:13:03.000
that we have concerns and make the same suggestions?

03:13:03.000 --> 03:13:06.870
They watch these meetings and they'll have minutes and they

03:13:06.870 --> 03:13:11.000
're probably well aware of exactly what we're doing tonight.

03:13:11.000 --> 03:13:13.399
But you certainly are welcome to come back out for City

03:13:13.399 --> 03:13:18.000
Council. I would encourage you to do so. Thank you.

03:13:18.000 --> 03:13:23.000
I have a question for Julie. Commissioner Sanchez.

03:13:23.000 --> 03:13:26.309
Julie, based on what you just said, can they if they say

03:13:26.309 --> 03:13:29.930
this is just a hypothetical, say the developer doesn't meet

03:13:29.930 --> 03:13:33.000
with them and doesn't take can they meet with you?

03:13:33.000 --> 03:13:36.360
Because I know when they're when they're doing the site

03:13:36.360 --> 03:13:40.000
plan, you take all kinds of stuff into consideration.

03:13:40.000 --> 03:13:44.389
So with that, can they meet with you and or with the city

03:13:44.389 --> 03:13:47.000
and bring in their concerns?

03:13:47.000 --> 03:13:50.530
This is just I'm just throwing this out as a hypothetical.

03:13:50.530 --> 03:13:54.000
Say they just blow them off and say, no, we don't want to

03:13:54.000 --> 03:13:55.000
listen to you.

03:13:55.000 --> 03:13:57.690
We don't have any required meetings as part of the

03:13:57.690 --> 03:14:01.329
development process, but it is typical for applicants to

03:14:01.329 --> 03:14:05.399
meet with city staff during the development process to to

03:14:05.399 --> 03:14:08.850
ensure compliance with the development code, both in terms

03:14:08.850 --> 03:14:11.520
of site design and infrastructure and all of the items

03:14:11.520 --> 03:14:12.000
associated with.

03:14:12.000 --> 03:14:15.870
But I'm talking about the the the community with the

03:14:15.870 --> 03:14:17.000
community.

03:14:17.000 --> 03:14:20.299
Yeah. Yeah. Say you say what we've been talking about is

03:14:20.299 --> 03:14:23.590
they hopefully don't meet with the community will meet with

03:14:23.590 --> 03:14:25.000
with the developer.

03:14:25.000 --> 03:14:28.049
And I'm just throwing this as a hypothetical. So they feel

03:14:28.049 --> 03:14:30.000
what she just said.

03:14:30.000 --> 03:14:32.159
Say they blow them off and they decide, hey, we're not

03:14:32.159 --> 03:14:34.319
going to we don't really want to meet with you and do what

03:14:34.319 --> 03:14:35.000
we want.

03:14:35.000 --> 03:14:40.590
Can they then come to you and meet with you all and make

03:14:40.590 --> 03:14:43.000
recommendations?

03:14:43.000 --> 03:14:47.409
I was going to say private. The most immediate impact or

03:14:47.409 --> 03:14:49.950
voice that they'll have will be at the next subsequent city

03:14:49.950 --> 03:14:53.469
commission meeting, which is the city council meeting for

03:14:53.469 --> 03:14:55.000
this item is next Tuesday.

03:14:55.000 --> 03:14:58.899
So I would well I would invite and welcome all of the

03:14:58.899 --> 03:15:03.430
community come to that, but they can always, of course,

03:15:03.430 --> 03:15:06.000
call me as well. Yeah. Call or email me as well. Yes, sir.

03:15:06.000 --> 03:15:09.590
So that'll be Tuesday, December the fifth. Yes, sir. At the

03:15:09.590 --> 03:15:16.000
meeting. And it's the same room. Six thirty. Yes, sir.

03:15:16.000 --> 03:15:19.000
Thank you for the clarification, Julie.

03:15:19.000 --> 03:15:21.989
Commissioner Sanchez, did you have anything else? No, that

03:15:21.989 --> 03:15:23.000
was it.

03:15:23.000 --> 03:15:28.000
I'm sorry for raising my hand earlier. I'm learning.

03:15:28.000 --> 03:15:33.000
Appreciate you come to learn this guy over here pokes me.

03:15:33.000 --> 03:15:38.000
That's why you have legal right? That's right.

03:15:38.000 --> 03:15:42.250
I just I wanted to ask, have you, I guess, ask the

03:15:42.250 --> 03:15:45.750
developer because this is the second or third time I heard

03:15:45.750 --> 03:15:49.290
him mention the number of parking places compared to the

03:15:49.290 --> 03:15:51.000
number of units,

03:15:51.000 --> 03:15:55.000
which is not adequate.

03:15:55.000 --> 03:15:57.690
Where does he expect the people to park? They actually

03:15:57.690 --> 03:16:00.000
provided more parking than is required by code.

03:16:00.000 --> 03:16:03.270
And there is a maximum that they can put in. So they are

03:16:03.270 --> 03:16:07.260
above what's required. Well, but the requirement is

03:16:07.260 --> 03:16:09.000
inadequate.

03:16:09.000 --> 03:16:13.000
You know, that's one of my concerns. OK.

03:16:13.000 --> 03:16:16.940
You mentioned that that that you all don't have any control

03:16:16.940 --> 03:16:20.729
of the traffic there on Sherman on the text roadway on the

03:16:20.729 --> 03:16:22.000
text roadway.

03:16:22.000 --> 03:16:25.000
There's at least I do the same thing.

03:16:25.000 --> 03:16:29.000
Palata Manon. OK. Twice a day every day.

03:16:29.000 --> 03:16:32.000
There's at least one accident a week there. Minimum.

03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:33.840
I think if you went down to the fire department and asked

03:16:33.840 --> 03:16:36.000
one of those guys, they'll probably tell you there's more.

03:16:36.000 --> 03:16:39.000
I see at least one a week. OK.

03:16:39.000 --> 03:16:43.399
So if you don't have any control over the traffic, but you

03:16:43.399 --> 03:16:49.000
're doing a traffic study, OK, you submit that to text out

03:16:49.000 --> 03:16:53.000
and they go, we'll do it whenever.

03:16:53.000 --> 03:16:55.000
And in the meantime, the building continues.

03:16:55.000 --> 03:16:57.420
They have a set of criteria and maybe city staff can

03:16:57.420 --> 03:16:59.000
address that better than I.

03:16:59.000 --> 03:17:02.469
But there is a set of criteria that they will have to meet

03:17:02.469 --> 03:17:04.000
both city and state.

03:17:04.000 --> 03:17:06.899
All right, because I guess that's my question. We're

03:17:06.899 --> 03:17:09.469
already having one accident a week. We already have people

03:17:09.469 --> 03:17:10.930
coming off, you know, like I said about the football Friday

03:17:10.930 --> 03:17:13.000
, but even not football Friday.

03:17:13.000 --> 03:17:16.750
Making those turnarounds. I've almost hit people a couple

03:17:16.750 --> 03:17:19.760
of times coming home from work already that are making a

03:17:19.760 --> 03:17:23.000
loop and on points that are there instead of, you know,

03:17:23.000 --> 03:17:25.000
making their left hand turn like they're supposed to.

03:17:25.000 --> 03:17:27.469
They've got to be aware that they're already having that

03:17:27.469 --> 03:17:30.000
many accidents, but nothing's happening already.

03:17:30.000 --> 03:17:34.889
OK, I agree with the tabling. I know you said you didn't

03:17:34.889 --> 03:17:36.000
have any control over that.

03:17:36.000 --> 03:17:39.709
So is that something that the city council meeting would do

03:17:39.709 --> 03:17:40.000
?

03:17:40.000 --> 03:17:42.989
Well, this will go on to city council and that meeting will

03:17:42.989 --> 03:17:47.000
be next Tuesday, December the fifth. Same room, 630.

03:17:47.000 --> 03:17:52.260
OK, so both of the both of these items will move from this

03:17:52.260 --> 03:17:58.000
body to city council and that they will have the final say.

03:17:58.000 --> 03:18:01.219
I'm sorry. I know my my buzzer went, but you've got me

03:18:01.219 --> 03:18:06.000
confused. So you you have to either approve or not approve.

03:18:06.000 --> 03:18:08.409
You do not have the option to table. Is that what I'm

03:18:08.409 --> 03:18:09.000
understanding?

03:18:09.000 --> 03:18:11.790
Well, that would be an option if that's something that the

03:18:11.790 --> 03:18:14.000
commission wanted to entertain tonight.

03:18:14.000 --> 03:18:19.120
But at the end of the day, this project will move to city

03:18:19.120 --> 03:18:22.979
council and city council will then either approve or deny

03:18:22.979 --> 03:18:25.000
both of these separate items.

03:18:25.000 --> 03:18:27.600
We are just going to be recommending by so if we approve it

03:18:27.600 --> 03:18:29.000
tonight, it's not final.

03:18:29.000 --> 03:18:32.680
It just moves to city council and city council will have

03:18:32.680 --> 03:18:36.729
the final approval or denial on both the rezoning and the S

03:18:36.729 --> 03:18:37.000
.U.P.

03:18:37.000 --> 03:18:40.899
And that's currently scheduled for next Tuesday. Same room,

03:18:40.899 --> 03:18:42.000
630.

03:18:42.000 --> 03:18:45.239
But you had the option of tabling it until the other

03:18:45.239 --> 03:18:47.000
information comes in.

03:18:47.000 --> 03:18:49.000
Well, like the traffic thing and all that kind of stuff.

03:18:49.000 --> 03:18:51.170
Well, that would be an option for us to consider if that's

03:18:51.170 --> 03:18:53.000
something the commission would like to do.

03:18:53.000 --> 03:18:56.739
I was just trying to get it all. It's a complicated process

03:18:56.739 --> 03:18:59.000
. I understand. Thank you all very much.

03:18:59.000 --> 03:19:03.000
Thanks for coming out tonight. This is a public hearing.

03:19:03.000 --> 03:19:10.000
Anyone who would like to speak, please come forward at this

03:19:10.000 --> 03:19:11.000
time.

03:19:11.000 --> 03:19:13.729
Great. As all of this discussion has gone on, I've realized

03:19:13.729 --> 03:19:15.000
that you divided it up.

03:19:15.000 --> 03:19:19.149
You are now going to vote on the special use permit, which

03:19:19.149 --> 03:19:23.399
does removes the need to have commercial on the first level

03:19:23.399 --> 03:19:25.000
of this building.

03:19:25.000 --> 03:19:27.850
Correct. That's correct. So that is what you're going to do

03:19:27.850 --> 03:19:28.000
.

03:19:28.000 --> 03:19:31.540
The thing that I would like to go on to record being heard

03:19:31.540 --> 03:19:38.000
to say is that if we are going to continue to bring in HUD

03:19:38.000 --> 03:19:38.000
housing,

03:19:38.000 --> 03:19:43.170
continue to focus on affordable housing for our citizens in

03:19:43.170 --> 03:19:47.569
the city of Denton, we have to remember that with housing

03:19:47.569 --> 03:19:52.000
comes other things like transportation.

03:19:52.000 --> 03:19:55.889
There is currently no bus lines to any of the areas that we

03:19:55.889 --> 03:19:58.000
've talked about tonight.

03:19:58.000 --> 03:20:01.159
So we need as a city to be aware. I know it's not planning,

03:20:01.159 --> 03:20:03.000
but this is going to the city council.

03:20:03.000 --> 03:20:07.360
We also need to be aware of the ability for people to find

03:20:07.360 --> 03:20:12.000
adequate health care providers in the city,

03:20:12.000 --> 03:20:14.360
especially the HUD housing people who are going to spend

03:20:14.360 --> 03:20:16.000
most of their money on the housing.

03:20:16.000 --> 03:20:17.930
We also need to look at where these children are going to

03:20:17.930 --> 03:20:20.000
go to school that are going to be in these apartments.

03:20:20.000 --> 03:20:23.469
How are they going to get there? Are there any sidewalks to

03:20:23.469 --> 03:20:27.000
get anywhere near these schools that are going to be there?

03:20:27.000 --> 03:20:30.100
I know that the new area that's going up to the east of

03:20:30.100 --> 03:20:33.000
this one is going to have a lot of children in it.

03:20:33.000 --> 03:20:35.989
And I don't believe that the elementary school is prepared

03:20:35.989 --> 03:20:37.000
to deal with that.

03:20:37.000 --> 03:20:41.159
So as Denton continues to grow, it's not just housing. It's

03:20:41.159 --> 03:20:42.000
not just buildings.

03:20:42.000 --> 03:20:45.299
We are looking at neighborhoods. We are looking at families

03:20:45.299 --> 03:20:48.299
and we are looking at generations and that we need to be as

03:20:48.299 --> 03:20:52.000
a city responsible and aware of all of those things,

03:20:52.000 --> 03:20:56.000
not just where you have somebody. Thank you.

03:20:56.000 --> 03:20:58.000
Thanks for coming out in your comments.

03:20:58.000 --> 03:21:06.110
Again, this is a public hearing. Anyone else who would like

03:21:06.110 --> 03:21:17.000
to speak on this item, please come forward.

03:21:17.000 --> 03:21:22.280
My name is Scott Hazard. I live at 1514 Point City Boule

03:21:22.280 --> 03:21:23.000
vard.

03:21:23.000 --> 03:21:27.770
I appreciate you guys explaining your unanimous yes votes

03:21:27.770 --> 03:21:33.000
to us on this, although the opposition to it was unanimous.

03:21:33.000 --> 03:21:37.540
I haven't seen one person here tonight in support of this

03:21:37.540 --> 03:21:41.000
who doesn't have a financial gain in it.

03:21:41.000 --> 03:21:44.000
I appreciate you guys explaining your yes votes to us.

03:21:44.000 --> 03:21:49.110
But if they put an Arby's and a Burger King and a Whatab

03:21:49.110 --> 03:21:54.000
urger and a Pep Boys and a used car lot over there,

03:21:54.000 --> 03:21:57.930
they're not all going to be always parked on the north side

03:21:57.930 --> 03:22:00.000
of Poinsettia Boulevard.

03:22:00.000 --> 03:22:03.389
It's not going to generate that constant traffic flow at

03:22:03.389 --> 03:22:06.799
the corner of Poinsettia and Sherman Drive that this is

03:22:06.799 --> 03:22:08.000
going to generate.

03:22:08.000 --> 03:22:12.909
It's not going to exacerbate, rather, an already increased

03:22:12.909 --> 03:22:18.270
traffic flow because of the neighborhoods going in at each

03:22:18.270 --> 03:22:19.000
end.

03:22:19.000 --> 03:22:23.000
You say the builder will meet with us and talk with us.

03:22:23.000 --> 03:22:24.000
That's great.

03:22:24.000 --> 03:22:26.989
What I'm finding out here is I could be up here standing on

03:22:26.989 --> 03:22:30.000
my head screaming, and you guys hear me,

03:22:30.000 --> 03:22:34.450
but apparently nobody's listening because you guys voted

03:22:34.450 --> 03:22:39.000
unanimously to approve this when we showed up in a moderate

03:22:39.000 --> 03:22:41.000
show of force against it.

03:22:41.000 --> 03:22:44.270
So now you're going to approve the apartment complex in

03:22:44.270 --> 03:22:47.520
general, even though not one person in this room has spoken

03:22:47.520 --> 03:22:48.000
out for it,

03:22:48.000 --> 03:22:52.559
with the exception of the people who stand to gain by

03:22:52.559 --> 03:22:54.000
building it.

03:22:54.000 --> 03:22:58.229
As to the argument that when we moved there, we knew that

03:22:58.229 --> 03:23:01.000
that was an empty field and all of this kind of stuff,

03:23:01.000 --> 03:23:04.600
and it's not going to stay an empty field forever, that's a

03:23:04.600 --> 03:23:08.000
little bit of an insult to my intelligence.

03:23:08.000 --> 03:23:11.700
We know that this is not going to be an empty field forever

03:23:11.700 --> 03:23:14.000
. We know that things are going to be built there.

03:23:14.000 --> 03:23:18.000
But what we also know is that if you build apartments there

03:23:18.000 --> 03:23:20.479
and allow the people to park on the north side of the

03:23:20.479 --> 03:23:23.000
street, they will.

03:23:23.000 --> 03:23:25.729
And you're also going to open points that are up to be a

03:23:25.729 --> 03:23:30.299
through street then, probably going to have a, what, 30, 35

03:23:30.299 --> 03:23:31.000
mile an hour speed limit,

03:23:31.000 --> 03:23:34.510
with cars parked on both sides of the street, and when the

03:23:34.510 --> 03:23:38.729
speed limit's 30 or 35, people drive what, 45, 50 generally

03:23:38.729 --> 03:23:39.000
?

03:23:39.000 --> 03:23:43.649
I mean, let's be honest. So you're creating a very, very,

03:23:43.649 --> 03:23:47.000
very dangerous situation. It's easy for you guys.

03:23:47.000 --> 03:23:50.940
I don't recognize any of y'all. I don't think any of y'all

03:23:50.940 --> 03:23:54.000
live in our neighborhood. It's easy for you to sit there

03:23:54.000 --> 03:23:56.000
and tell us what's best for us.

03:23:56.000 --> 03:23:59.760
But that's a little bit condescending of you to sit there

03:23:59.760 --> 03:24:02.000
and tell us what's best for us.

03:24:02.000 --> 03:24:06.000
When we have thought this out, we have discussed this among

03:24:06.000 --> 03:24:09.000
ourselves. We know what's best for us.

03:24:09.000 --> 03:24:14.010
We don't think that we're not trying to save the field. It

03:24:14.010 --> 03:24:17.659
's not about saving that field. We know something's going to

03:24:17.659 --> 03:24:18.000
be there.

03:24:18.000 --> 03:24:22.200
But an apartment complex is the wrong thing to be there. It

03:24:22.200 --> 03:24:26.270
's the wrong thing to be there for the traffic aspect at the

03:24:26.270 --> 03:24:30.000
corner of Sherman and Poinsettia.

03:24:30.000 --> 03:24:34.319
The backup that's going to create at come home hour at 530

03:24:34.319 --> 03:24:38.129
to turn left on the Poinsettia right there is going to be a

03:24:38.129 --> 03:24:40.000
nightmare, and people are going to get hurt.

03:24:40.000 --> 03:24:43.000
And y'all go ahead and vote.

03:24:43.000 --> 03:24:47.000
I'm going to respond. I'd like to respond to your comment.

03:24:47.000 --> 03:24:51.569
I'm not trying to sit up here and tell you what's best for

03:24:51.569 --> 03:24:54.000
you in your neighborhood.

03:24:54.000 --> 03:24:56.600
What I do want to share with you is that by right, they can

03:24:56.600 --> 03:24:59.299
build apartments on their property right now and not even

03:24:59.299 --> 03:25:01.000
come before this commission.

03:25:01.000 --> 03:25:03.000
I completely understand that.

03:25:03.000 --> 03:25:05.729
And also they could build a tiny story, whatever, that we

03:25:05.729 --> 03:25:07.000
talked about earlier.

03:25:07.000 --> 03:25:10.870
But it's not feasible to do that. They could build a Tesla

03:25:10.870 --> 03:25:15.000
plant right there, too. But that's not feasible either.

03:25:15.000 --> 03:25:18.530
So we have to look at what's feasible to go there and what

03:25:18.530 --> 03:25:22.000
you guys are trying to let these guys build there.

03:25:22.000 --> 03:25:25.100
Well, what we're trying to do is we're looking at the

03:25:25.100 --> 03:25:27.000
realities of what's there.

03:25:27.000 --> 03:25:30.180
And what the realities is what's there is that they can

03:25:30.180 --> 03:25:32.000
build multifamily there.

03:25:32.000 --> 03:25:37.000
They can do it 65 feet tall instead of three stories tall.

03:25:37.000 --> 03:25:39.290
There are people in your neighborhood they're concerned

03:25:39.290 --> 03:25:40.000
about height.

03:25:40.000 --> 03:25:44.000
And so this commission is faced with a difficult task.

03:25:44.000 --> 03:25:47.459
Do we pass on the opportunity to put some limitations on it

03:25:47.459 --> 03:25:49.000
or let it stay as it is?

03:25:49.000 --> 03:25:51.520
And it can be 65 feet tall and they can build apartments

03:25:51.520 --> 03:25:52.000
there.

03:25:52.000 --> 03:25:55.000
And instead of having 30 per acre, it's unlimited.

03:25:55.000 --> 03:25:57.000
And there are 500.

03:25:57.000 --> 03:26:00.079
So I hope you would look at the realities of the choice

03:26:00.079 --> 03:26:01.000
that we have.

03:26:01.000 --> 03:26:03.000
And it's not the one that you would like.

03:26:03.000 --> 03:26:06.340
But the reality is they can by right build there and do

03:26:06.340 --> 03:26:10.049
apartments there and do them much taller than what's being

03:26:10.049 --> 03:26:11.000
proposed.

03:26:11.000 --> 03:26:13.379
And so that's the choice that we have to look at this

03:26:13.379 --> 03:26:14.000
evening.

03:26:14.000 --> 03:26:16.340
And so I appreciate you coming out and sharing your

03:26:16.340 --> 03:26:17.000
thoughts.

03:26:17.000 --> 03:26:20.250
I hope that we have tried to share back with you the

03:26:20.250 --> 03:26:24.200
realities of what we have on that piece of property with

03:26:24.200 --> 03:26:28.000
the current zoning and the current uses that are out there.

03:26:28.000 --> 03:26:32.239
With all due respect, sir, this is a giant company that's

03:26:32.239 --> 03:26:35.000
got apartments all over the world.

03:26:35.000 --> 03:26:39.000
If they thought it was feasible to put 65 foot buildings

03:26:39.000 --> 03:26:42.000
right there, we'd be here talking about 65 foot buildings.

03:26:42.000 --> 03:26:43.000
Okay.

03:26:43.000 --> 03:26:45.620
This company is not going to worry about the money that it

03:26:45.620 --> 03:26:48.000
would cost to put 65 foot buildings there.

03:26:48.000 --> 03:26:50.000
Why are they not doing that?

03:26:50.000 --> 03:26:52.000
Because it's not feasible.

03:26:52.000 --> 03:26:55.030
Just like all of these other things that you guys have been

03:26:55.030 --> 03:26:57.600
talking about trying to scare us, well, you could have this

03:26:57.600 --> 03:26:58.000
going there.

03:26:58.000 --> 03:27:00.000
You could have this going there.

03:27:00.000 --> 03:27:01.000
Those aren't feasible.

03:27:01.000 --> 03:27:05.350
This is a matter of what is feasible and usable and common

03:27:05.350 --> 03:27:09.510
sense for that piece of land with the amount of traffic

03:27:09.510 --> 03:27:11.000
that goes by it.

03:27:11.000 --> 03:27:15.510
And believe me, this developer is trying to squeeze every

03:27:15.510 --> 03:27:18.000
penny out of it that they can.

03:27:18.000 --> 03:27:20.760
If they thought it was to their advantage to build five-

03:27:20.760 --> 03:27:23.000
story apartment buildings, they would.

03:27:23.000 --> 03:27:25.000
The next guy might, if they don't.

03:27:25.000 --> 03:27:27.000
Well, your time is up.

03:27:27.000 --> 03:27:29.000
I appreciate you sharing your comments.

03:27:29.000 --> 03:27:33.000
I had a question for him.

03:27:33.000 --> 03:27:35.690
Sorry, sir, there's one more commissioner who would like a

03:27:35.690 --> 03:27:38.000
commissioner that would like to ask a question.

03:27:38.000 --> 03:27:41.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

03:27:41.000 --> 03:27:45.000
Yes, that first vote we took was to change the zoning.

03:27:45.000 --> 03:27:47.000
Were you opposed to that?

03:27:47.000 --> 03:27:51.110
Because most of the people that I think came across, they

03:27:51.110 --> 03:27:55.000
're not concerned with -- they're with us on the zoning.

03:27:55.000 --> 03:28:00.000
Are you -- again, are you opposed to changing the zoning?

03:28:00.000 --> 03:28:02.000
Or did you want to say the way it was?

03:28:02.000 --> 03:28:08.090
I see the zoning as a step towards the -- what is this, an

03:28:08.090 --> 03:28:09.000
SUP?

03:28:09.000 --> 03:28:12.000
I see one kind of feeding the other.

03:28:12.000 --> 03:28:16.000
So I'm opposed to the zoning.

03:28:16.000 --> 03:28:19.409
I'm not scared of somebody moving in there and building an

03:28:19.409 --> 03:28:22.180
80-story high-rise because I know that the laws of

03:28:22.180 --> 03:28:26.200
economics prevent somebody from building an 80-story high-

03:28:26.200 --> 03:28:27.000
rise right there.

03:28:27.000 --> 03:28:31.180
I would be willing to have whatever is economically

03:28:31.180 --> 03:28:35.489
feasible that you guys in the city thinks will go there

03:28:35.489 --> 03:28:38.000
with the exception of apartments,

03:28:38.000 --> 03:28:40.840
with the exception of apartments where people are going to

03:28:40.840 --> 03:28:43.530
be parking their car in one solid road on the north side of

03:28:43.530 --> 03:28:45.000
Poinsettia Boulevard.

03:28:45.000 --> 03:28:47.000
And you know they will.

03:28:47.000 --> 03:28:50.680
I would like for you guys to all think about what it would

03:28:50.680 --> 03:28:54.290
be like to walk out in the morning to get your newspaper

03:28:54.290 --> 03:28:57.950
and see a bumper-to-bumper row of cars parked across the

03:28:57.950 --> 03:28:59.000
street from you.

03:28:59.000 --> 03:29:00.000
Maybe you see that.

03:29:00.000 --> 03:29:03.000
My guess is you don't.

03:29:03.000 --> 03:29:06.510
I would like for you to think about that kid that darts out

03:29:06.510 --> 03:29:09.440
between those two cars when the street is so narrow because

03:29:09.440 --> 03:29:12.000
there's cars parked on each side of the street.

03:29:12.000 --> 03:29:15.000
I drive through neighborhoods like that all the time.

03:29:15.000 --> 03:29:18.000
I drive like 15 miles an hour through these neighborhoods.

03:29:18.000 --> 03:29:20.000
And the speed limit is 30.

03:29:20.000 --> 03:29:23.200
I'm scared to death that some kid's going to jump out

03:29:23.200 --> 03:29:26.000
between two cars and I'm going to hit him.

03:29:26.000 --> 03:29:30.000
So I drive ridiculously slow so that doesn't happen.

03:29:30.000 --> 03:29:34.000
To answer your question, sir, yes, I was opposed to that

03:29:34.000 --> 03:29:37.629
because I believe that the laws of economics and common

03:29:37.629 --> 03:29:41.000
sense are on my side as to what can be put there.

03:29:41.000 --> 03:29:43.989
And I don't believe that the things that you guys have told

03:29:43.989 --> 03:29:47.000
us, well, this could be there and this could be there.

03:29:47.000 --> 03:29:48.000
Yeah, it could be there.

03:29:48.000 --> 03:29:54.069
But if it really was economically feasible to be there, it

03:29:54.069 --> 03:29:56.000
would be there.

03:29:56.000 --> 03:29:57.000
And it's not.

03:29:57.000 --> 03:29:59.780
These apartments are going to create traffic issues on Po

03:29:59.780 --> 03:30:03.000
insettia Drive like Poinsettia Drive has never seen before.

03:30:03.000 --> 03:30:06.000
Poinsettia Boulevard is actually a boulevard.

03:30:06.000 --> 03:30:10.590
That intersection at Sherman and Poinsettia, and I realize

03:30:10.590 --> 03:30:12.000
it, it's a dot highway.

03:30:12.000 --> 03:30:14.819
I mean, there's nothing that you can do about that, but

03:30:14.819 --> 03:30:17.000
nothing that the city can do about that.

03:30:17.000 --> 03:30:19.989
Do we really think that we really want to push this off on

03:30:19.989 --> 03:30:23.739
the state of Texas and hope that they are timely in their

03:30:23.739 --> 03:30:27.000
decisions to do what's necessary?

03:30:27.000 --> 03:30:28.389
How many people are going to have to die at that

03:30:28.389 --> 03:30:29.000
intersection?

03:30:29.000 --> 03:30:30.000
Sir, I'm going to interrupt you.

03:30:30.000 --> 03:30:32.000
We've let you go way past four minutes.

03:30:32.000 --> 03:30:33.000
We've had a couple of questions.

03:30:33.000 --> 03:30:34.000
I appreciate you coming out.

03:30:34.000 --> 03:30:35.000
Thank you so much.

03:30:35.000 --> 03:30:41.000
Thank you for sharing your point of view.

03:30:41.000 --> 03:30:42.000
I'll be quick.

03:30:42.000 --> 03:30:47.000
Becky Garcia, 1301 Matten Boulevard.

03:30:47.000 --> 03:30:50.540
I just have to -- I know one of the things that people do

03:30:50.540 --> 03:30:54.110
when this happens, and then I forget where I come from, is

03:30:54.110 --> 03:30:57.000
you're going to have a strip mall over here.

03:30:57.000 --> 03:31:00.000
You're going to have Luby's right here.

03:31:00.000 --> 03:31:02.000
You're going to have Chico's Tacos over here.

03:31:02.000 --> 03:31:05.000
You're going to have the -- what is it?

03:31:05.000 --> 03:31:06.000
What do we have?

03:31:06.000 --> 03:31:08.000
Like the Piggly Wiggly.

03:31:08.000 --> 03:31:09.000
That's where I grew up.

03:31:09.000 --> 03:31:11.000
I come from El Paso.

03:31:11.000 --> 03:31:15.979
And if you put my house in Denton, it would right be in the

03:31:15.979 --> 03:31:21.000
corner of University and -- what's the name of that street?

03:31:21.000 --> 03:31:23.000
The big one where Kroger is.

03:31:23.000 --> 03:31:24.000
Carol.

03:31:24.000 --> 03:31:25.000
Carol Boulevard.

03:31:25.000 --> 03:31:26.000
That's where I grew up with.

03:31:26.000 --> 03:31:28.000
And you know what?

03:31:28.000 --> 03:31:30.190
I grew up in the big one where the big one was -- except

03:31:30.190 --> 03:31:33.000
for the fire station, because that was across also there.

03:31:33.000 --> 03:31:36.000
At 9 o'clock, it got quiet.

03:31:36.000 --> 03:31:38.000
Now, El Paso is huge.

03:31:38.000 --> 03:31:43.180
So if the big boxes come in at 9, 10 o'clock, everybody's

03:31:43.180 --> 03:31:47.000
going to go home and it'll be quiet at night.

03:31:47.000 --> 03:31:50.000
That's not going to happen with the apartment.

03:31:50.000 --> 03:31:58.000
I know you just said something with the Bel Air.

03:31:58.000 --> 03:31:58.489
I know we're beating up on you guys, but one of the things

03:31:58.489 --> 03:31:59.000
is, is they didn't take care of a corner.

03:31:59.000 --> 03:32:02.000
Are they going to take care of the apartment?

03:32:02.000 --> 03:32:06.309
You know, my friend out there, it's 110, and she's mowing

03:32:06.309 --> 03:32:10.270
and edging, and people are, you know, waving at her and

03:32:10.270 --> 03:32:13.000
clapping, and we pick up our own trash.

03:32:13.000 --> 03:32:17.309
Are they going to be responsible enough to keep that area

03:32:17.309 --> 03:32:18.000
nice?

03:32:18.000 --> 03:32:20.000
I don't know.

03:32:20.000 --> 03:32:22.000
That's another reason.

03:32:22.000 --> 03:32:24.729
Them not talking to us, and we hear this other people, they

03:32:24.729 --> 03:32:26.000
came in and they talked.

03:32:26.000 --> 03:32:28.000
It leaves a bad taste in my heart.

03:32:28.000 --> 03:32:30.000
So I give you a challenge.

03:32:30.000 --> 03:32:32.000
Talk to us.

03:32:32.000 --> 03:32:34.000
Make us feel good.

03:32:34.000 --> 03:32:36.000
Because I won't come after you.

03:32:36.000 --> 03:32:38.000
You don't want her to come after me.

03:32:38.000 --> 03:32:40.000
Trust me.

03:32:40.000 --> 03:32:42.000
We're teachers.

03:32:42.000 --> 03:32:44.000
We will find you.

03:32:44.000 --> 03:32:46.000
If you're in Italy, it'll be fun, but we will find you.

03:32:46.000 --> 03:32:48.000
So, and you guys, thank you very much.

03:32:48.000 --> 03:32:50.000
Thanks for coming out this evening.

03:32:50.000 --> 03:32:52.000
This is a public hearing.

03:32:52.000 --> 03:32:56.110
Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come

03:32:56.110 --> 03:32:58.000
forward at this time.

03:32:58.000 --> 03:33:01.000
Leslie Wilder, 3903 Teal Drive.

03:33:01.000 --> 03:33:03.000
Again, thank you for hearing us.

03:33:03.000 --> 03:33:06.170
I can remember, as you reminisced in the '80s, I can

03:33:06.170 --> 03:33:08.000
remember when Carroll Boulevard was put in.

03:33:08.000 --> 03:33:12.709
I used to have to go through the square to get into town

03:33:12.709 --> 03:33:14.000
coming in.

03:33:14.000 --> 03:33:18.059
I do know when my dad served on the planning and zoning, he

03:33:18.059 --> 03:33:21.260
talked about the most difficult thing he ever did was that

03:33:21.260 --> 03:33:22.000
board.

03:33:22.000 --> 03:33:24.260
And he said he didn't do it long because it was that

03:33:24.260 --> 03:33:25.000
difficult.

03:33:25.000 --> 03:33:27.000
He did the utilities board and other things.

03:33:27.000 --> 03:33:31.000
I really respect what he did and I respect what you do.

03:33:31.000 --> 03:33:34.340
And I just appreciate that you've listened to all our

03:33:34.340 --> 03:33:37.989
concerns and tried to understand and empathize, as you said

03:33:37.989 --> 03:33:40.000
earlier, with us.

03:33:40.000 --> 03:33:43.040
My brother-in-law's Jack Bell, I'm sure you're very much

03:33:43.040 --> 03:33:46.000
familiar with his name as a developer here locally.

03:33:46.000 --> 03:33:49.430
That would be a whole different ballpark if we were talking

03:33:49.430 --> 03:33:52.000
about a local developer on this project.

03:33:52.000 --> 03:33:56.000
I think that's a big concern for us here.

03:33:56.000 --> 03:33:59.620
I liked the development we talked about earlier, the homes

03:33:59.620 --> 03:34:01.000
going in off Audra.

03:34:01.000 --> 03:34:04.709
They were very considerate of what was going on around them

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.

03:34:05.000 --> 03:34:07.000
I'd like to see that here.

03:34:07.000 --> 03:34:10.180
And that's what I'm going on the record and I will go to

03:34:10.180 --> 03:34:12.000
the city council as well.

03:34:12.000 --> 03:34:15.350
But I just want you to understand that this does not seem

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like a local development like the old days of our planning

03:34:19.000 --> 03:34:20.000
and zoning,

03:34:20.000 --> 03:34:24.000
who really, really cared about how Denton changed and grew.

03:34:24.000 --> 03:34:29.739
And I know they resisted growth to the nth degree, too far

03:34:29.739 --> 03:34:31.000
at times.

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But there was a reason for that.

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And so I want to call your minds to that and remember that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for coming out and sharing your comments.

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This is a public hearing.

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Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come

03:34:45.829 --> 03:34:48.000
forward at this time.

03:34:48.000 --> 03:34:53.000
Anyone else?

03:34:53.000 --> 03:34:56.739
Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and we'll open

03:34:56.739 --> 03:34:59.000
the floor for discussion or a motion.

03:35:06.000 --> 03:35:07.000
Commissioner Beck.

03:35:07.000 --> 03:35:09.000
Thank you, Chair.

03:35:09.000 --> 03:35:11.340
I'd like to make a motion, but I'm probably going to need a

03:35:11.340 --> 03:35:13.000
little help from legal here on this.

03:35:13.000 --> 03:35:16.469
Can I approve this subject to the condition that the

03:35:16.469 --> 03:35:22.000
developer has to have a community meeting prior to them

03:35:22.000 --> 03:35:25.000
submitting site plans to the PNC?

03:35:25.000 --> 03:35:26.000
Is that legit?

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Can I do that?

03:35:29.000 --> 03:35:34.219
I'm going to say no, because ultimately the decision goes

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to City Council.

03:35:36.000 --> 03:35:37.000
Right.

03:35:37.000 --> 03:35:39.170
So you're proving this would push over City Council and

03:35:39.170 --> 03:35:40.000
City Council would.

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Okay.

03:35:42.000 --> 03:35:45.979
In that condition, that consideration, I'm going to move

03:35:45.979 --> 03:35:51.000
that we postpone this consideration until there is a

03:35:51.000 --> 03:35:56.000
community meeting with the developer and the community.

03:35:56.000 --> 03:36:00.540
If there's a motion to postpone, there would need to be a

03:36:00.540 --> 03:36:02.000
date certain.

03:36:02.000 --> 03:36:03.000
Date certain.

03:36:03.000 --> 03:36:05.000
What's our next PNC?

03:36:05.000 --> 03:36:07.000
December 13th.

03:36:07.000 --> 03:36:10.000
December 13th.

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Because I know they want to get moving.

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I have a motion on the floor to postpone.

03:36:33.000 --> 03:36:40.450
If it don't have a second, it will die for lack of a second

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.

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The motion will die for lack of a second.

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The chair will obtain a new motion or further discussion.

03:36:58.000 --> 03:37:00.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

03:37:00.000 --> 03:37:05.000
I make a motion to pass S170010.

03:37:05.000 --> 03:37:08.000
Okay.

03:37:08.000 --> 03:37:10.000
I have a motion for approval.

03:37:10.000 --> 03:37:16.000
Is there a second?

03:37:16.000 --> 03:37:17.000
Commissioner Ellis.

03:37:17.000 --> 03:37:19.000
Yeah, I will go ahead and second.

03:37:19.000 --> 03:37:20.000
Okay.

03:37:20.000 --> 03:37:24.000
We have a first and a second for approval.

03:37:24.000 --> 03:37:28.000
Further discussion?

03:37:28.000 --> 03:37:29.000
Commissioner Ellis.

03:37:29.000 --> 03:37:30.000
Thank you.

03:37:30.000 --> 03:37:33.000
My discussion is probably to ask staff.

03:37:33.000 --> 03:37:36.000
A lot of concern with this parking issue on Point Seta.

03:37:36.000 --> 03:37:40.000
Is that something that can be brought up as we do the

03:37:40.000 --> 03:37:44.000
traffic impact study so that perhaps that is not allowed?

03:37:44.000 --> 03:37:46.000
I mean, how can that be addressed?

03:37:46.000 --> 03:37:49.000
Can it be addressed?

03:37:49.000 --> 03:37:52.989
Interestingly, the on-street parking is more of a city

03:37:52.989 --> 03:37:56.000
requirement because of the type of right of way.

03:37:56.000 --> 03:38:00.010
We will make that -- since that isn't something that the

03:38:00.010 --> 03:38:02.000
applicant is proposing,

03:38:02.000 --> 03:38:06.270
we will make sure that that gets into the record at City

03:38:06.270 --> 03:38:07.000
Council.

03:38:07.000 --> 03:38:10.069
And whether we look at that as part of the platting to

03:38:10.069 --> 03:38:11.000
modify that,

03:38:11.000 --> 03:38:15.870
that can be certainly something that's discussed and quite

03:38:15.870 --> 03:38:21.000
honestly would come back to this commission for final plat.

03:38:21.000 --> 03:38:22.000
Continue.

03:38:22.000 --> 03:38:23.000
Commissioner Ellis.

03:38:23.000 --> 03:38:24.000
Thank you, chair.

03:38:24.000 --> 03:38:26.000
Probably should have brought this up earlier.

03:38:26.000 --> 03:38:30.770
There were some conditions that staff put on the approval

03:38:30.770 --> 03:38:32.000
of this SUP.

03:38:32.000 --> 03:38:35.399
So I guess we should perhaps ask Commissioner Sanchez, is

03:38:35.399 --> 03:38:40.000
that part of your motion?

03:38:40.000 --> 03:38:46.569
I assume that they just automatically would be incorporated

03:38:46.569 --> 03:38:47.000
.

03:38:47.000 --> 03:38:52.420
Do we want to get a clarification of exactly what those

03:38:52.420 --> 03:38:56.000
conditions are into the record?

03:38:56.000 --> 03:38:58.000
Certainly.

03:38:58.000 --> 03:39:01.000
So the first condition would be a full site plan.

03:39:01.000 --> 03:39:03.040
Submittal would be required to ensure compliance with the

03:39:03.040 --> 03:39:04.000
Denton Development Code.

03:39:04.000 --> 03:39:08.209
And the second would be to maintain the muted earth tone

03:39:08.209 --> 03:39:12.000
colors for the exterior building materials.

03:39:12.000 --> 03:39:13.000
Okay.

03:39:13.000 --> 03:39:14.000
Chair.

03:39:14.000 --> 03:39:15.000
Commissioner Beck.

03:39:15.000 --> 03:39:16.000
Thank you.

03:39:16.000 --> 03:39:19.000
I can't push the button here because we're ready to vote.

03:39:19.000 --> 03:39:22.739
I'm going to go ahead and vote with approval on this too

03:39:22.739 --> 03:39:24.000
reluctantly.

03:39:24.000 --> 03:39:27.000
But knowing that this has to go to City Council first,

03:39:27.000 --> 03:39:30.000
again, this is just a recommendation.

03:39:30.000 --> 03:39:33.000
So I want to thank everybody for coming out.

03:39:33.000 --> 03:39:35.000
Sorry, this isn't the news you wanted to hear.

03:39:35.000 --> 03:39:37.000
But I do encourage you to go to City Council.

03:39:37.000 --> 03:39:39.000
Your grievance is there.

03:39:39.000 --> 03:39:41.000
And we'll see what comes out there.

03:39:41.000 --> 03:39:44.000
So thank you.

03:39:44.000 --> 03:39:46.000
Okay.

03:39:46.000 --> 03:39:49.000
Any further discussion?

03:39:49.000 --> 03:39:50.000
Okay.

03:39:50.000 --> 03:39:53.120
We have a motion on the floor for approval and a second

03:39:53.120 --> 03:39:58.000
with the two conditions in our backup clarified by staff.

03:39:58.000 --> 03:40:07.000
And we'll call for a vote on the board.

03:40:07.000 --> 03:40:11.000
Motion is going to carry four to zero.

03:40:11.000 --> 03:40:17.000
That will take us to our public hearing item E.

03:40:17.000 --> 03:40:24.000
We'll open the public hearing for FR 17-0020.

03:40:24.000 --> 03:40:31.209
And the chair would ask for a motion to continue that item

03:40:31.209 --> 03:40:35.000
to December the 13th.

03:40:35.000 --> 03:40:36.000
Commissioner Ellis.

03:40:36.000 --> 03:40:37.000
Thank you, Chair.

03:40:37.000 --> 03:40:42.129
I move to postpone to a date certain of December 13th, item

03:40:42.129 --> 03:40:44.000
FR 17-20.

03:40:44.000 --> 03:40:46.000
Okay.

03:40:46.000 --> 03:40:47.000
Commissioner Beck.

03:40:47.000 --> 03:40:48.000
Second.

03:40:48.000 --> 03:40:49.000
Okay.

03:40:49.000 --> 03:40:53.200
We have a first and a second to leave this item open and

03:40:53.200 --> 03:40:56.000
continue to date certain December 13th.

03:40:56.000 --> 03:40:59.000
Any further discussion?

03:40:59.000 --> 03:41:06.000
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

03:41:06.000 --> 03:41:16.000
That motion is going to carry four to zero.

03:41:16.000 --> 03:41:23.280
That will take us to our final item this evening on our

03:41:23.280 --> 03:41:26.000
project matrix.

03:41:26.000 --> 03:41:30.770
Any items to bring before the commission for future

03:41:30.770 --> 03:41:32.000
meetings?

03:41:32.000 --> 03:41:36.000
Commissioner Ellis.

03:41:36.000 --> 03:41:38.000
You're pointing and I'm going, I don't see you.

03:41:38.000 --> 03:41:40.000
That's all right.

03:41:40.000 --> 03:41:42.000
You have a floor.

03:41:42.000 --> 03:41:45.000
Thank you.

03:41:45.000 --> 03:41:48.600
So just want to go on the record by saying I love the fact

03:41:48.600 --> 03:41:51.000
that we had a large sign on Audra.

03:41:51.000 --> 03:41:53.000
That's the first time I've seen the big sign.

03:41:53.000 --> 03:41:55.000
It did, however, not have a date on it.

03:41:55.000 --> 03:41:59.000
So I didn't know if it's supposed to have a date on it.

03:41:59.000 --> 03:42:01.000
But I thought I'd bring that up.

03:42:01.000 --> 03:42:03.879
But the size of the sign was finally one you could actually

03:42:03.879 --> 03:42:05.000
read from the road.

03:42:05.000 --> 03:42:08.000
So we're moving in the right direction.

03:42:08.000 --> 03:42:10.000
Awesome.

03:42:10.000 --> 03:42:12.000
Commissioner Sanchez, did you have something?

03:42:12.000 --> 03:42:17.000
Yeah, I just wanted to mention that I had talked a little

03:42:17.000 --> 03:42:20.000
bit about that comparison chart.

03:42:20.000 --> 03:42:24.700
And on the letter that you sent to the, what do you call it

03:42:24.700 --> 03:42:27.000
, the people in the area,

03:42:27.000 --> 03:42:30.700
do you put, you said it's in a website that they can pull

03:42:30.700 --> 03:42:32.000
it up or something?

03:42:32.000 --> 03:42:34.000
And do you put that in their letter?

03:42:34.000 --> 03:42:36.690
Or do we decide that you're going to start putting that in

03:42:36.690 --> 03:42:38.000
their letter, right?

03:42:38.000 --> 03:42:42.000
Okay, okay.

03:42:42.000 --> 03:42:43.000
Any other items?

03:42:43.000 --> 03:42:44.000
Commissioner Beck?

03:42:44.000 --> 03:42:45.000
You have an item?

03:42:45.000 --> 03:42:46.000
Nothing?

03:42:46.000 --> 03:42:49.290
Okay, with that at 930, I will close our meeting this

03:42:49.290 --> 03:42:50.000
evening.

03:42:50.000 --> 03:43:10.000
Thank you everyone for coming out.