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>> Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning

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zoning commission meeting for November 29, 2017. This

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has been duly posted and we do have a quorum present and I

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call us to order at 634. Our first meeting is on November

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29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29,

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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quorum meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

579
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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

581
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

621
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

623
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on November 29,

624
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

625
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We will have a quorum

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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

627
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on November 29,

628
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

629
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

631
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on November 29,

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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

633
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634
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

635
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on November 29,

636
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

637
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638
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

639
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on November 29,

640
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

641
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642
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

643
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on November 29,

644
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

645
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We will have a quorum

646
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

647
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on November 29,

648
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

649
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We will have a quorum

650
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

651
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on November 29,

652
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

653
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We will have a quorum

654
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meeting on November 29, 2017. We will have a quorum meeting

655
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on November 29,

656
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2017. We will have a quorum meeting on November 29, 2017.

657
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,000
If you're opposed to 33 houses being built there, how much

658
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:06,000
difference is that

659
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,000
if they were -- they could rezone it to an NR4, which would

660
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:10,000
allow up to 24

661
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,000
houses? So we're only talking nine house difference there.

662
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:14,000
That land can't stay

663
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,000
dormant. It's not fair to the property owners. So it's

664
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:18,000
going to be filled in

665
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,000
eventually. So would you have a conflict with 24 homes as

666
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:22,000
opposed to 33?

667
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,000
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

668
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:26,000
eventually.

669
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

670
01:05:28,989 --> 01:05:30,000
eventually.

671
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

672
01:05:32,989 --> 01:05:34,000
eventually.

673
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

674
01:05:36,989 --> 01:05:38,000
eventually.

675
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

676
01:05:40,989 --> 01:05:42,000
eventually.

677
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,000
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

678
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:46,000
eventually.

679
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,260
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

680
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:50,000
eventually.

681
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,000
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

682
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:54,000
eventually.

683
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

684
01:05:56,989 --> 01:05:58,000
eventually.

685
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

686
01:06:00,989 --> 01:06:02,000
eventually.

687
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

688
01:06:04,989 --> 01:06:06,000
eventually.

689
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

690
01:06:08,989 --> 01:06:10,000
eventually.

691
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

692
01:06:12,989 --> 01:06:14,000
eventually.

693
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

694
01:06:16,989 --> 01:06:18,000
eventually.

695
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

696
01:06:20,989 --> 01:06:22,000
eventually.

697
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

698
01:06:24,989 --> 01:06:26,000
eventually.

699
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

700
01:06:28,989 --> 01:06:30,000
eventually.

701
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

702
01:06:32,989 --> 01:06:34,000
eventually.

703
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

704
01:06:36,989 --> 01:06:38,000
eventually.

705
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

706
01:06:40,989 --> 01:06:42,000
eventually.

707
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

708
01:06:44,989 --> 01:06:46,000
eventually.

709
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

710
01:06:48,989 --> 01:06:50,000
eventually.

711
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

712
01:06:52,989 --> 01:06:54,000
eventually.

713
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

714
01:06:56,989 --> 01:06:58,000
eventually.

715
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

716
01:07:00,989 --> 01:07:02,000
eventually.

717
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

718
01:07:04,989 --> 01:07:06,000
eventually.

719
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

720
01:07:08,989 --> 01:07:10,000
eventually.

721
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

722
01:07:12,989 --> 01:07:14,000
eventually.

723
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

724
01:07:16,989 --> 01:07:18,000
eventually.

725
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

726
01:07:20,989 --> 01:07:22,000
eventually.

727
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

728
01:07:24,989 --> 01:07:26,000
eventually.

729
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

730
01:07:28,989 --> 01:07:30,000
eventually.

731
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

732
01:07:32,989 --> 01:07:34,000
eventually.

733
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

734
01:07:36,989 --> 01:07:38,000
eventually.

735
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

736
01:07:40,989 --> 01:07:42,000
eventually.

737
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

738
01:07:44,989 --> 01:07:46,000
eventually.

739
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,989
>> I would say that the land is going to be filled in

740
01:07:48,989 --> 01:07:50,000
eventually.

741
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,489
>> There's a need, there's a big need in the city of Denton

742
01:07:54,489 --> 01:07:56,000
for affordable housing.

743
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,320
We build way too much it seems like for upper end home

744
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:02,000
buyers, you know.

745
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,420
And yet there's a need for affordable housing for low and

746
01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:08,000
middle income working families.

747
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,260
So, again, I don't want to put you in a spot, but what

748
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:15,000
would be your position as far as providing that need,

749
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,000
even if it is in your neighborhood?

750
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,649
>> Well, I'm not knowledgeable about all the other

751
01:08:21,649 --> 01:08:24,000
available lots, you know, in Denton.

752
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,010
You know, so if there were any of those, they should be

753
01:08:27,010 --> 01:08:28,000
looked at too.

754
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,000
But, you know, there's more agenda items that, you know,

755
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000
probably cover that for other folks here

756
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,000
that it's a little more concerning, you know.

757
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,000
It's not up against our back lot, so to speak.

758
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,000
So, you know, we're just dealing with it four houses away.

759
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:49,329
So, yeah, if the commission deems it so, it's just, you

760
01:08:49,329 --> 01:08:52,340
know, just think of the current residents in that

761
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:53,000
neighborhood

762
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:58,229
and try to remember that, you know, we have concerns, you

763
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:59,000
know.

764
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,000
>> Sure.

765
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,989
>> But understand the economics that it's, you're right, it

766
01:09:02,989 --> 01:09:05,000
's empty property, just doesn't do much good.

767
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,319
>> Well, and again, to lay some of your concerns, once they

768
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,000
do start building, they have to provide site plans.

769
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,729
So, they have to follow certain rigid guidelines as far as

770
01:09:12,729 --> 01:09:14,000
what it's going to look.

771
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000
It has to blend into the community.

772
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,619
So, that's another opportunity for you to come back and

773
01:09:19,619 --> 01:09:22,310
look and make sure that they're not going to be putting

774
01:09:22,310 --> 01:09:23,000
something up cheap.

775
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,000
And we're here to make sure they don't either.

776
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
So, but thank you for your input on that.

777
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,000
>> And thank you.

778
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,000
Thank you.

779
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,000
>> Thank you.

780
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:39,000
The next card I have is Barney Casamo at 610C North.

781
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,439
North Bell, you'll give your name and address for the

782
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,000
record.

783
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,000
I appreciate you'll have four minutes for your comments.

784
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,000
>> My name is Barney Casamo.

785
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,000
610 North Bell is our corporate offices.

786
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,270
I'm the executive director of Dent and Affordable Housing

787
01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:52,000
Interim.

788
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000
I've been in that position for about 16 or 18 months.

789
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,000
>> And I see your card's in support.

790
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,000
>> I definitely am in support.

791
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,000
>> Okay.

792
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
>> But I want to say that if this was my neighborhood, I

793
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,000
would still be in support.

794
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,159
And that's one of the criteria I use when any project is

795
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:10,000
proposed by anybody, be it building or buying.

796
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,119
It has to be something that I would not be concerned about

797
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,000
having as a neighbor.

798
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,550
When I drive down the Argera, which I frequently do, there

799
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:25,000
is quite a dense multifamily housing development that's

800
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
gone in right across from that property.

801
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,840
So if density is the issue, we've already missed the boat

802
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,000
because there's a lot of housing right there.

803
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Denton definitely needs affordable housing.

804
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,520
I spoke to one neighbor from the development, I guess where

805
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,960
this gentleman lives, and he was in support of it after we

806
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,000
discussed it.

807
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,029
He was concerned about affordable housing, small houses,

808
01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:54,000
tiny houses, Section 8, whatever.

809
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,899
But he was quite comfortable with single family houses that

810
01:10:56,899 --> 01:10:58,000
we're proposing.

811
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Thank you.

812
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000
>> Great. Thank you.

813
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:11,020
Next card I have is John Withers, 2001 McCamey Boulevard,

814
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:13,000
in support.

815
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,859
>> Good evening. I'm John Withers. I'm a real estate broker

816
01:11:14,859 --> 01:11:15,000
.

817
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,000
I work with Roger Yale.

818
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,260
And to kind of echo the sentiments of the affordable

819
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:22,000
housing deal, as of 4 o'clock today,

820
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,869
houses that are listed and active on the market within the

821
01:11:25,869 --> 01:11:29,000
city of Denton, there are 72 listed on the market.

822
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,460
There's only 52 of those that are actually available to

823
01:11:31,460 --> 01:11:35,000
purchase, with 20 of those already being in contract.

824
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,000
The average square footage of those is about 1,700 feet.

825
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,000
So everything that we're proposing is falling within line.

826
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,000
We're 1,500 to 1,700 square feet.

827
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,189
We're actually going to be a little bit cheaper than that

828
01:11:46,189 --> 01:11:47,000
250 mark.

829
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,149
So the affordable housing aspect of it, even though it's

830
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:54,000
kind of silly to think 250 is the affordable housing mark,

831
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,689
that's where the market is right now, and that's the

832
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:59,000
product that we're looking to put on the ground.

833
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,000
So I support it.

834
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,000
>> Okay. Thank you for your comments.

835
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000
>> Thank you.

836
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:11,579
>> Next card I have is Mark Moffett, 2708 Crater Lake, in

837
01:12:11,579 --> 01:12:13,000
support.

838
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,460
>> Good evening, commissioners. Mark Moffett, 2708 Crater

839
01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:18,000
Lake Lane, Denton, Texas.

840
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,140
I serve on the board of directors for the Denton Affordable

841
01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:24,000
Housing Corporation.

842
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,430
Several years ago, I was approached to serve on that board,

843
01:12:28,430 --> 01:12:30,000
and I jumped at it.

844
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,000
This is something I'm very passionate about.

845
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,000
I'm also a real estate broker.

846
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,260
I'm also a registered professional appraiser in the state

847
01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:38,000
of Texas.

848
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,630
This is a real need in our community, in our state, in our

849
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:45,180
nation, is to be able to provide affordable housing for

850
01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:46,000
people.

851
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:51,000
And we're not -- in our organization, we have several units

852
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,000
that address the need for either Section 8,

853
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,000
low income, special needs, things like that.

854
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,989
We address all of those, and those are priorities in our

855
01:12:59,989 --> 01:13:01,000
organization.

856
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,840
Providing affordable homeownership is also another priority

857
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:04,000
,

858
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,159
and this particular project gives us the ability to meet

859
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:09,000
that objective that we have.

860
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,000
This is something that council has talked about repeatedly.

861
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,869
It is something that the citizens have spoken in favor of

862
01:13:15,869 --> 01:13:17,000
frequently.

863
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,869
So in that context, it's a good project, and it accomplish

864
01:13:20,869 --> 01:13:23,609
es a lot of goals and objectives that we all have in common

865
01:13:23,609 --> 01:13:24,000
here.

866
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,989
A couple of things I do want to point out in the staff

867
01:13:26,989 --> 01:13:28,000
presentation.

868
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:36,000
If I could get the overhead camera, please.

869
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:46,000
We'll refer you to page two here on your packet there.

870
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,000
I want to point out in the staff presentation here that,

871
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:50,000
quote,

872
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,289
the proposed NR6 district permits uses that are generally

873
01:13:53,289 --> 01:13:57,000
compatible with the existing land use pattern in this area.

874
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,510
Staff does note that although the density is a little bit

875
01:14:00,510 --> 01:14:03,000
higher than what they would think it would normally be,

876
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,000
it is compatible, and they do mention that in their report.

877
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:13,619
I also want to point out on page three -- I want to echo

878
01:14:13,619 --> 01:14:16,000
something that was mentioned earlier there.

879
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:21,579
Section 3A in the middle of the paragraph there, staff

880
01:14:21,579 --> 01:14:24,000
mentions that -- let's see here.

881
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,050
The surrounding area was between three and five dwelling

882
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:28,000
units per acre,

883
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,350
and although nearby subdivisions are currently zoned in R3

884
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:32,000
and R4,

885
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,229
much of the area was developed prior to the adoption of the

886
01:14:35,229 --> 01:14:38,250
current DDC and slightly exceed the current zoning

887
01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:40,000
limitations in some areas.

888
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,000
So I want to point that out.

889
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,329
In a sense, what we're saying is probably somewhere between

890
01:14:47,329 --> 01:14:49,000
3.5 and 5.5.

891
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,000
The average of that is going to be 4.5.

892
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:56,000
Our 33 units on the 7.14 acres, that comes out at 4.6.

893
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,539
We are within one-tenth of a point of what the average is

894
01:15:00,539 --> 01:15:02,000
for that area.

895
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:07,000
And the project is not looking to go to the max on this.

896
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,659
We're just trying to make it to where it works and provide

897
01:15:10,659 --> 01:15:17,000
a product so that our community can continue to develop.

898
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:22,289
The surrounding land use there, we do have NR6 right next

899
01:15:22,289 --> 01:15:25,000
to it, right here in the immediate vicinity.

900
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,359
We also have some commercial right here on the corner with

901
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:29,000
the church,

902
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,770
and then we also have some multifamily zoning there right

903
01:15:31,770 --> 01:15:34,000
on the corner in the immediate proximity.

904
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,609
So the development of this property for it being isolated,

905
01:15:38,609 --> 01:15:41,000
I would disagree with that.

906
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,000
I think it's compatible.

907
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,000
The staff identifies that in the report.

908
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,539
And again, overall, this is something that council has

909
01:15:51,539 --> 01:15:55,109
given a directive to that we want to accomplish for our

910
01:15:55,109 --> 01:15:56,000
community.

911
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
The citizens are in favor of it.

912
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,000
It's something that needs to happen.

913
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,989
And this is an opportunity for us to move forward on

914
01:16:01,989 --> 01:16:05,000
something that is a vital goal in our community.

915
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,000
So I would ask and appreciate your support.

916
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,000
I'm happy to take any questions.

917
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,000
Commissioner Ellis.

918
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,000
Thank you, Chair.

919
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,000
Thanks, Mark, and thanks for your comments.

920
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,350
How would you address the concern of when we have a zoning

921
01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:21,000
change, it cannot be tied to a project?

922
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,510
So you point out many aspects of the project, which look

923
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:29,000
good, but if for some reason the project doesn't happen,

924
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,090
and you know this, then we've got an NR6 on this that could

925
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:35,300
open up the door to higher density than what you're

926
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:37,000
proposing to put in.

927
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,000
Absolutely. So kind of a little background on this

928
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:40,000
particular project.

929
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,770
We were presented with multiple opportunities to develop

930
01:16:44,770 --> 01:16:49,000
this property and actually had some folks that came to us

931
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,989
with some of those types of uses that I think would raise a

932
01:16:53,989 --> 01:16:56,770
level of concern in the community that we were not

933
01:16:56,770 --> 01:16:58,000
comfortable with.

934
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,880
And in our discussions about the direction on which we

935
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:07,810
wanted to go with this particular project, we wanted to

936
01:17:07,810 --> 01:17:12,239
choose a project and a product that accomplished goals of

937
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,000
our organization.

938
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,989
Our goals in our organization are to provide affordable

939
01:17:16,989 --> 01:17:18,000
housing, okay?

940
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:22,810
And there is another organization here in town that does a

941
01:17:22,810 --> 01:17:28,000
similar, has a similar goal, but they do it in the context,

942
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,520
generally speaking, of multifamily properties that are

943
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,000
mainly rental type activities.

944
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,619
Our goal is to provide home ownership at an affordable rate

945
01:17:39,619 --> 01:17:40,000
.

946
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,729
That is kind of how we differentiate ourselves from that

947
01:17:42,729 --> 01:17:44,000
other organization.

948
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,670
Both are definitely needed, and I don't discount that issue

949
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:49,000
.

950
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,739
But to answer your question there, the reason we went with

951
01:17:52,739 --> 01:17:56,470
this particular proposal was specifically to address the

952
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:59,880
issue and the concerns that we knew would come up in the

953
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:01,000
community.

954
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,859
If I lived there in that community where the gentleman

955
01:18:03,859 --> 01:18:06,930
spoke a little while ago, I wouldn't want a bunch of duplex

956
01:18:06,930 --> 01:18:10,000
es and townhomes stacked right on top of each other.

957
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,000
I wouldn't want that.

958
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,979
And from an organizational standpoint, our goal is to

959
01:18:15,979 --> 01:18:18,000
provide home ownership.

960
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,420
And that doesn't mean, you know, duplex ownership, things

961
01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:21,000
like that.

962
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,000
That means home ownership.

963
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,000
And this is an opportunity to accomplish that goal.

964
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,000
So thank you.

965
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,000
Sorry for rambling.

966
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,000
That's good.

967
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,000
Can I continue?

968
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,000
Sure.

969
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,000
Continue, Commissioner.

970
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,810
So I know you, so you've got an active option contract on

971
01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:37,520
this particular land with this particular, for this

972
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,000
particular development.

973
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:43,850
And you selected or are trying to get that through because

974
01:18:43,850 --> 01:18:47,000
of what the project is, correct?

975
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,810
And it's not one of these other entities that is interested

976
01:18:49,810 --> 01:18:52,000
in building a multifamily development.

977
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,000
Okay, thanks.

978
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Thank you.

979
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,000
I see no other questions.

980
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,000
Thank you for your comments.

981
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,000
Thank you for your time.

982
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,000
Appreciate your support.

983
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,319
Next court I have is Jeff Withers, 1000 Lindhurst Lane,

984
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:06,000
Denton, in support.

985
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,000
Another item.

986
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,000
Can you tell us which item that will be?

987
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
He said he wrote the card.

988
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,000
Yeah, he did.

989
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,000
Okay.

990
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Thank you.

991
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:26,189
Next court I have is Roger Daly, 1227 Bayfield Street, Dent

992
01:19:26,189 --> 01:19:28,000
on, in support.

993
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,000
Hello, I'm Roger Daly.

994
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,989
I'm a resident of the immediate area and I'm also involved

995
01:19:32,989 --> 01:19:34,000
in this project.

996
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,399
And I guess the real question here is can we provide

997
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:46,000
affordable housing with the accelerated cost of housing,

998
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,000
the products that go into it?

999
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,000
That's the real key here.

1000
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,279
For us to deliver a product that your sons or daughters can

1001
01:19:55,279 --> 01:19:59,029
afford, because what's happened at $270,000, which is the

1002
01:19:59,029 --> 01:20:02,470
median price last year, that was up 16% over the year

1003
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:03,000
before.

1004
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:07,590
So our goal is to be able to deliver a product that these

1005
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:12,260
people can buy and have home ownership and have all the

1006
01:20:12,260 --> 01:20:17,000
attributes of raising a family, not in an apartment.

1007
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,010
But for me, where I live, which is a townhome project, and

1008
01:20:21,010 --> 01:20:25,000
the traffic, I understand this gentleman's concern.

1009
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,000
As far as the brick veneer goes, brick veneer is just that.

1010
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,000
It's aesthetic.

1011
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,000
It's not structural.

1012
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,000
A lot of people think it is, and it's not.

1013
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,930
Our product will be architecturally sound and would blend

1014
01:20:40,930 --> 01:20:44,000
into the neighborhood, but I'm for this.

1015
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,000
Do you have any questions?

1016
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,000
I see no questions.

1017
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,000
Thank you for your comments.

1018
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:56,170
Next card I have is Kim McKibbin, 1306 West Hickory, in

1019
01:20:56,170 --> 01:20:58,000
opposition.

1020
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:03,649
Good evening. My name is Kim McKibbin. It's 1306 West Hick

1021
01:21:03,649 --> 01:21:04,000
ory Street in Denton.

1022
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,000
I guess I'm going to be probably the lone wolf on this one,

1023
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,479
and I am here to say that I have to agree with the Planning

1024
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,000
and Zoning Commission.

1025
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,000
This is not about affordable housing.

1026
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,000
This is about zoning.

1027
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,000
This is about sticking to our future land use plan.

1028
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:26,060
This is about making sure that the things that we think are

1029
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:30,079
going in are absolutely going in and are not going to get

1030
01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:31,000
changed later.

1031
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,180
I did go out and look at the area prior to coming here

1032
01:21:34,180 --> 01:21:35,000
tonight.

1033
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,779
What they showed you pictures of do not match anything that

1034
01:21:38,779 --> 01:21:40,000
's in that area.

1035
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,689
I'm probably the only one here that's going to speak that

1036
01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:45,000
doesn't have something to gain from this.

1037
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,739
Everyone I've heard, this is our project, and we're trying

1038
01:21:48,739 --> 01:21:50,000
to provide this.

1039
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,000
I don't know how many people in Denton make $75,000 a year.

1040
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,000
Not as many as you might think.

1041
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:06,000
$250,000 for a 1,500 square foot house may be reasonable,

1042
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,869
but you also have to consider, even with that, they're

1043
01:22:09,869 --> 01:22:13,000
looking at 7,000 square foot lots.

1044
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,000
That's a 70 by 100.

1045
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,050
When I lived over on Denton Street in a 1920s house, the

1046
01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:22,000
lot was 100 feet by 60 feet wide.

1047
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,340
So the houses will not have space around them in these

1048
01:22:25,340 --> 01:22:26,000
areas.

1049
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
They will fill up most of the lot.

1050
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,000
I don't know how much space the roads are going to take up.

1051
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,920
And even when I was trying to get through some of the

1052
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,079
neighborhoods tonight, you cannot put two cars down the

1053
01:22:37,079 --> 01:22:40,000
streets if cars are parked on both sides.

1054
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,100
I doubt that any of these houses that there will be less

1055
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:46,000
than two cars in them.

1056
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,159
I also would question from being an accessibility expert,

1057
01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:52,000
how accessible are these little two story houses?

1058
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Is there a living area and a full bath on the bottom floor?

1059
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Are all the bedrooms on the top floors?

1060
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,010
How long is this going to be a livable alternative for some

1061
01:23:01,010 --> 01:23:03,000
of the people they're looking at?

1062
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,010
But back to it once again, I am in, I'm trying to support

1063
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:11,000
the future land use plan that we have going forward.

1064
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,699
We will have brand new zoning things by the first of the

1065
01:23:14,699 --> 01:23:16,000
year possibly.

1066
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,279
So we need to be looking forward and to stick with what we

1067
01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:20,000
've got.

1068
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,680
So this is a zoning issue, and I think that the heart

1069
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,000
strings are being pulled out on affordability housing.

1070
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,000
Thank you.

1071
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,000
>> Thank you for your comments.

1072
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,000
I don't see any questions.

1073
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,359
I have one other card that's not marked with an agenda item

1074
01:23:37,359 --> 01:23:39,000
from Prudence Sanchez.

1075
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,000
I don't know if you want to speak on this item or not.

1076
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,000
Okay.

1077
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:52,000
And you're marked in support.

1078
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,000
>> My name is Prudence Sanchez.

1079
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,000
I live at 711 Jackson Street here in Denton.

1080
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,000
My husband is Alfredo Sanchez, who recused himself.

1081
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,140
I am one of the associate executive directors at Denton

1082
01:24:03,140 --> 01:24:05,000
Affordable Housing.

1083
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,590
I started out as a board member there because I do believe

1084
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:10,000
that we need affordable housing here in Denton.

1085
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,590
I just wanted to say that I am here in support of, excuse

1086
01:24:14,590 --> 01:24:17,000
me, of the project, and not the project,

1087
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,000
but of the affordable housing that we need here in Denton.

1088
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,159
And I believe that when we say that it's a zoning issue, we

1089
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:27,000
're really looking at form over substance.

1090
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:32,430
And I think that it's important to use the land in the

1091
01:24:32,430 --> 01:24:36,000
highest and best use that is available for us.

1092
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:41,710
And I spoke to two people just this week, two young couples

1093
01:24:41,710 --> 01:24:45,000
, and they work 40-hour weeks.

1094
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,359
And my heart hurt, and I don't mind pulling heartstrings

1095
01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:50,000
because we all have them.

1096
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,989
She said, I don't think, you know, we'll ever be able to

1097
01:24:52,989 --> 01:24:54,000
afford a house.

1098
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,000
She says, I don't even think that's on the radar.

1099
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,000
And she works 40 hours a week. Her husband does, too.

1100
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,149
And I just believe that owning a home is still a part of

1101
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:06,000
the American dream.

1102
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:11,000
I am in support of multifamily as well.

1103
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,000
But when you drive up to your house and that's your house,

1104
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,000
that means something to you.

1105
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:21,500
And when you hear, you know, these young couples spending

1106
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:25,000
over $1,200 a month on rent,

1107
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,159
and you know that that's a large part of their income, it

1108
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,000
just doesn't make sense.

1109
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:36,000
I'm a landlord, so I don't bash landlords.

1110
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,000
But I still believe that people who work hard every day

1111
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,000
should have the ability and the option to own a home.

1112
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:50,000
And you know, when we -- the difference between nine houses

1113
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:54,760
and not providing affordable housing, that just doesn't add

1114
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:55,000
up.

1115
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
So I'm in support of it.

1116
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,560
And I hope that the zoning planning and the zoning

1117
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,000
commission take that into consideration.

1118
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000
Thank you.

1119
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000
Thank you.

1120
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,000
This is a public hearing.

1121
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
I don't have any other cards.

1122
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:13,260
Anyone else who would like to speak on this item, please

1123
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:16,000
come forward at this time.

1124
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,000
Anyone else?

1125
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,359
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and I will

1126
01:26:23,359 --> 01:26:27,000
open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1127
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,000
Commissioner Smith.

1128
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,899
I make a motion to accept -- or I make a motion to approve

1129
01:26:32,899 --> 01:26:36,000
the zoning change from NR2 to NR6.

1130
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,000
Just a quick public statement about this.

1131
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,100
We are so close to it being NR4 and NR4 being classified as

1132
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:46,159
a low density and that within the staff analysis that we

1133
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:50,010
are already pretty much right on the cusp of -- or if not

1134
01:26:50,010 --> 01:26:55,000
already amicable to what other areas around that plot are

1135
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,699
already doing, being that they are already close between

1136
01:26:57,699 --> 01:27:00,000
three and five dwellings per acre.

1137
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,390
That it doesn't seem like it will be that abrupt of a

1138
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:03,000
change.

1139
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,090
Also with there an adjoining apartment complex being -- or

1140
01:27:06,090 --> 01:27:09,189
not adjoining but caddy corner apartment complex already

1141
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:12,270
having high density in that area, I don't think NR6 with

1142
01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:15,489
the project that's proposed really would be that outlandish

1143
01:27:15,489 --> 01:27:16,000
.

1144
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000
So I do make that motion.

1145
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,000
Okay.

1146
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,000
Commissioner Beck.

1147
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
Thank you, Chair.

1148
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,000
And I second that with a public comment too.

1149
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,000
I normally probably wouldn't.

1150
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,569
Ms. McKibbin, I appreciate her comments always and we're

1151
01:27:28,569 --> 01:27:31,000
usually in agreement with each other.

1152
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,359
And I think in another situation, and I have in fact our

1153
01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:37,720
last meeting, I was opposed to where one zone was encro

1154
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:41,000
aching and another one where it shouldn't have.

1155
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:47,020
But again, the product here that's being presented is to me

1156
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:50,000
it's amenable to the area.

1157
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,539
There is -- we all know there is a great need for

1158
01:27:52,539 --> 01:27:54,000
affordable housing.

1159
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000
And this is a good opportunity to take advantage of it.

1160
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,000
So I second the motion.

1161
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,000
Okay.

1162
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,000
We have a first and a second.

1163
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Any further discussion?

1164
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,000
Commissioner Ellis.

1165
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,000
Thank you, Chair.

1166
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,000
Just a couple of comments.

1167
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,000
Zoning issues I take very seriously.

1168
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,000
We all do.

1169
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:14,250
Knowing the area here, hearing what I heard tonight and all

1170
01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:20,000
the concerns, I do feel like this is a fit for this area

1171
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,000
and that the zoning change to NR6 is something that I can

1172
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:23,000
support.

1173
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,000
Okay.

1174
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:30,000
We have a first and a second for approval.

1175
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:52,000
And I will call for a vote on the board.

1176
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:58,000
That motion is going to carry 4-0.

1177
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,000
You need to go on.

1178
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Thank Commissioner Smith for coming up.

1179
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,539
He had a prior commitment and we were shorthanded tonight

1180
01:29:04,539 --> 01:29:07,090
and I appreciate him changing his schedule to come help us

1181
01:29:07,090 --> 01:29:08,000
get this item.

1182
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,699
And I appreciate everybody's understanding and let us

1183
01:29:11,699 --> 01:29:14,000
change the order of our agenda.

1184
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:20,130
With that, we will invite Commissioner Sanchez back and let

1185
01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:22,000
the room clear.

1186
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:49,000
With that, we will return to our regular agenda.

1187
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,439
And so we're going to move to what is item two, consider

1188
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,000
approval of our zoning commission meeting minutes.

1189
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:04,340
And the Chair would entertain a motion for these two items

1190
01:30:04,340 --> 01:30:07,000
individually.

1191
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,000
Commissioner Ellis.

1192
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,000
Thank you, Chair.

1193
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,319
I move we approve October 25th planning and zoning meeting

1194
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:14,000
minutes.

1195
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,000
Okay.

1196
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Commissioner Beck.

1197
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
Second.

1198
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
Okay.

1199
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
I move and second.

1200
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
Any discussion?

1201
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:31,000
Seeing none, call for a vote on the board.

1202
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:38,000
The motion is going to carry 4-0.

1203
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,170
Chair would entertain a motion on the amendments for

1204
01:30:40,170 --> 01:30:41,000
November 8th.

1205
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,000
Commissioner Beck.

1206
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:47,000
I move we approve the minutes for November the 8th.

1207
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,000
Thank you.

1208
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,000
Okay.

1209
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,000
Do we have a second?

1210
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,000
We do, Chair.

1211
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,000
I'll second.

1212
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,000
Okay.

1213
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,000
Thank you, Commissioner Ellis.

1214
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,000
We have a first and a second.

1215
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:01,609
Seeing no request for discussion, I'll call for a vote on

1216
01:31:01,609 --> 01:31:03,000
the board.

1217
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,000
That motion is going to carry 4-0.

1218
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:12,000
That will take us to our consent agenda.

1219
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,000
Commissioner Beck.

1220
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,000
I move we approve the consent agenda.

1221
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:26,000
Okay.

1222
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:40,319
The Chair will second and we will call for a vote on the

1223
01:31:40,319 --> 01:31:43,000
board.

1224
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:44,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

1225
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,000
We missed your vote.

1226
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,000
Are you for or against?

1227
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Okay.

1228
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,000
I thought I hit it.

1229
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,000
Let's see.

1230
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,000
For.

1231
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,000
For?

1232
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,000
Okay.

1233
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,000
So we have that motion will carry 4-0.

1234
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:07,000
The consent agenda is approved.

1235
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,149
Well, just as a point of order on our item four for

1236
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:13,000
individual consideration, our planning

1237
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,340
and zoning commission calendar, we had some discussion on

1238
01:32:16,340 --> 01:32:18,000
that item in our work session,

1239
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,289
and there were a couple of dates that we were going to take

1240
01:32:21,289 --> 01:32:22,000
a look at.

1241
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,170
And so that item will come back before us at our next

1242
01:32:25,170 --> 01:32:26,000
meeting.

1243
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,000
I believe it will be December the 13th.

1244
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,000
So that will come back before us.

1245
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,989
Do we need to take a motion on that for continuing since it

1246
01:32:32,989 --> 01:32:34,000
's not a notice?

1247
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,000
I assume it's our pleasure.

1248
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,000
Okay.

1249
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,000
So just an announcement on that.

1250
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:47,000
So that will move us back to our public hearing section.

1251
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:51,319
And at this time, I'm going to open the public hearing for

1252
01:32:51,319 --> 01:32:56,000
item A, which is Z17-0025.

1253
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:00,069
This is an item that the applicant has requested to be

1254
01:33:00,069 --> 01:33:01,000
continued.

1255
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,779
So the chair would entertain a motion to that effect to

1256
01:33:03,779 --> 01:33:06,000
date certain of January the 10th.

1257
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,000
Commissioner Beck.

1258
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,000
Thank you, Chair.

1259
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,420
I move we approve a continuance on this to a date certain

1260
01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:14,000
of January 10th.

1261
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Okay.

1262
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

1263
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,000
I second that motion.

1264
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,000
Okay.

1265
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,000
I second.

1266
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,000
I have a first and a second.

1267
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,000
This item will remain open, and we will vote on this motion

1268
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,000
to continue to date certain

1269
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:35,000
January 10th.

1270
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:42,000
Commissioner Sanchez, I think yours.

1271
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:45,000
That motion will carry four to zero.

1272
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,000
We have already worked through item 5B.

1273
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,000
That will move us to item 5C.

1274
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:59,149
And I'm going to open the public hearing for Z17-008 and

1275
01:33:59,149 --> 01:34:01,000
call on Julie Wyatt for presentation

1276
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,000
of this item.

1277
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,560
We will have a second public hearing on this item in

1278
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,000
regards to SUP, and that will be a

1279
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:23,000
separate presentation and will be a separate vote.

1280
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,060
So although these are two -- first of all, I'm Julie Wyatt,

1281
01:34:25,060 --> 01:34:27,000
Senior Planner with the City

1282
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,000
of Denton.

1283
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,000
And so I'm presenting two cases tonight.

1284
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,359
They're related to each other, and so I'm going to kind of

1285
01:34:33,359 --> 01:34:35,000
combine the presentations

1286
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,640
together, but it will be a separate action when you move

1287
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,000
forward on that.

1288
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:45,220
So right now I'm presenting Z17-08 and S17-10, the pall

1289
01:34:45,220 --> 01:34:46,000
adium.

1290
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,079
So the two requests before you tonight, the first one is a

1291
01:34:49,079 --> 01:34:50,000
zoning case.

1292
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,989
It's to consider a rezoning from community mixed use

1293
01:34:52,989 --> 01:34:55,000
general district to neighborhood

1294
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,000
residential mixed use.

1295
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,069
And then the second request is for a specific use permit

1296
01:35:00,069 --> 01:35:02,000
for multifamily development.

1297
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,000
The property is about a seven and a half acre property.

1298
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,119
It's located adjacent to Sherman and Poinsettia, just south

1299
01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:13,000
of Loop 288.

1300
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,319
So like I said, we're going to first go through the zoning

1301
01:35:17,319 --> 01:35:18,000
item.

1302
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:22,000
And so these are depictions of the proposed rezoning.

1303
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,000
So we've got the existing zoning here.

1304
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,350
It currently has a CMG zoning district that's all of the

1305
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:31,000
pink, and they are proposing to

1306
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:35,000
rezone it to the NRMU, which is the red.

1307
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,930
And as you can see, that is adjacent to an existing NRMU,

1308
01:35:38,930 --> 01:35:41,000
and it would be a logical

1309
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,600
continuation of this existing zoning pattern that exists

1310
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,000
across Sherman to the west.

1311
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,000
So the criteria for approval for rezoning cases are first,

1312
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,000
does the rezoning meet the

1313
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,000
future land use element of Denton Plan 2030?

1314
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,899
And then second, does the proposed rezoning facilitate

1315
01:35:59,899 --> 01:36:02,000
adequate provision of public

1316
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:03,000
infrastructure?

1317
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,699
So first we're going to look at the future land use element

1318
01:36:06,699 --> 01:36:07,000
.

1319
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,000
So this is in our Denton Plan 2030.

1320
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,000
That plan designated this area as community mixed use.

1321
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,600
And this is intended to provide a mix of uses in terms of

1322
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,000
commercial service and moderate

1323
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,000
to higher density residential.

1324
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:26,229
Staff looked at this and determined that the proposed NRMU

1325
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:29,000
meets this future land use.

1326
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:34,510
So typically we see that CMG or the community mixed use in

1327
01:36:34,510 --> 01:36:38,000
the future land use plan is typically

1328
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,000
CMG.

1329
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,770
However, because of the adjacency to the single family

1330
01:36:43,770 --> 01:36:47,000
residential in the neighborhoods,

1331
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,029
staff felt that NRMU was more appropriate in this area

1332
01:36:50,029 --> 01:36:52,000
because it still permitted that

1333
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,000
mix of uses.

1334
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,630
It still has some commercial uses and some residential uses

1335
01:36:56,630 --> 01:36:59,000
, but it was at a lower scale,

1336
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:04,000
so it would be more compatible with the nearby residential.

1337
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,300
In looking at public facilities, there's water and sewer

1338
01:37:07,300 --> 01:37:09,000
available on Point Setup.

1339
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,439
Impact fees would be assessed at the time of development

1340
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,000
and building permit.

1341
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,000
There are two roads that we'll look at for Sherman Drive.

1342
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,729
Currently it's a four lane undivided, but it is considered

1343
01:37:19,729 --> 01:37:21,000
a primary arterial within

1344
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,000
the city of Denton.

1345
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:26,109
So the ultimate roadway segment of a primary arterial is a

1346
01:37:26,109 --> 01:37:28,000
six lane divided road.

1347
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,960
Dedications and improvements on Sherman may be required at

1348
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,000
the time of platting.

1349
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,449
Point Setup is the other road that is adjacent to the

1350
01:37:38,449 --> 01:37:40,000
subject property.

1351
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,460
It is currently developed as a two lane undeveloped road

1352
01:37:44,460 --> 01:37:47,000
with parking on either side.

1353
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:51,350
This is in conformance with the designation of the road as

1354
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:54,000
a main street mixed use collector.

1355
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,310
Per our Denton Development Code, those are to be designed

1356
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:59,000
as two lane undivided roads

1357
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,000
with parking on either side.

1358
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,880
As with Sherman, at the time of platting there may be

1359
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,000
additional right of way dedications

1360
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,000
or improvements required.

1361
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,239
In this instance there will probably be sidewalks required

1362
01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:13,000
on the north side of Point Setup.

1363
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:18,000
And platting will be required for development.

1364
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,399
I know there's been some discussion about some of the

1365
01:38:21,399 --> 01:38:23,000
growth and the roadways and the

1366
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,000
impacts of new development in this area.

1367
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,180
So we wanted to bring forward a plat that was recently

1368
01:38:29,180 --> 01:38:31,000
approved by this commission earlier

1369
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:35,000
this year and it's in fact going to be filed soon.

1370
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,000
And it is for the Harvest Hill neighborhood.

1371
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:41,890
So we kind of overlaid it on the existing aerial to show

1372
01:38:41,890 --> 01:38:44,000
you how the new subdivision

1373
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,000
will match up with the existing development.

1374
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,590
So you can see here that Point Setup currently it does dead

1375
01:38:50,590 --> 01:38:52,000
end at about this location.

1376
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:57,000
It will curve to the north once this neighborhood is put in

1377
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,000
and will eventually once the

1378
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:04,270
Loop 288 access roads are constructed it will join up with

1379
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:06,000
that access road.

1380
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,029
It also then there is another street that then ties into

1381
01:39:10,029 --> 01:39:13,000
Point Setup and provides access

1382
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,000
for some of those neighborhoods.

1383
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,000
So that is the intent and the future plan for that roadway.

1384
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,000
Julie, can I ask a question?

1385
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,000
Sure.

1386
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,729
While we're here we have plats come before us a lot of

1387
01:39:24,729 --> 01:39:26,000
times and we don't see anything

1388
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,000
actually develop.

1389
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,260
The parcel that you brought up and brought to our attention

1390
01:39:29,260 --> 01:39:31,000
that's currently under development.

1391
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,689
They've already rough cut the streets so it's not just

1392
01:39:33,689 --> 01:39:35,000
paper and some day they're

1393
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,600
currently developing that and that infrastructure is going

1394
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:39,000
in.

1395
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:40,000
Absolutely, yes sir.

1396
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,000
Okay, thank you.

1397
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,510
So although the request does meet the future land use and

1398
01:39:46,510 --> 01:39:48,000
does meet the intent of that,

1399
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,909
we did want to take a little deeper dive on this request

1400
01:39:50,909 --> 01:39:52,000
and just look at the compatibility

1401
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,000
of the adjacent development and surrounding zoning.

1402
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,020
So currently the property has a CMG zoning district and

1403
01:39:58,020 --> 01:40:00,000
that's one of our commercial

1404
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,449
zoning districts and it allows a broad array of commercial

1405
01:40:03,449 --> 01:40:04,000
uses.

1406
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,229
Some of those include vehicle repair, motels, big box

1407
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:10,000
retail, auto sales, quick vehicle

1408
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:15,000
servicing with no SUP is required and that's a gas station.

1409
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,000
And then a drive through with no SUP required.

1410
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,869
So something like a McDonald's could go in by rights today

1411
01:40:20,869 --> 01:40:22,000
on this property under

1412
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,000
current zoning.

1413
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,000
Commissioner Beck.

1414
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,000
Thank you, Chair.

1415
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:33,710
At this point then these items here that are allowed in CMG

1416
01:40:33,710 --> 01:40:36,000
, they're not allowed in RMU.

1417
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,000
Is that correct?

1418
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,000
No sir.

1419
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,880
Or for instance the quick vehicle servicing or the drive

1420
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,000
through like a drive through bank

1421
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,880
or something that would require a specific use permit and

1422
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,000
additional scrutiny by the

1423
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,000
Planning and Zoning Commission and approval by council.

1424
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,000
Yes sir.

1425
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,000
Great, thank you.

1426
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:55,649
So as we talked in a work session, we see community mixed

1427
01:40:55,649 --> 01:40:58,000
use near residential areas

1428
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,000
all the time in Denton.

1429
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:05,000
We see it on Teasley, we see it on University.

1430
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:09,260
The difference between that CMG and this CMG is that that

1431
01:41:09,260 --> 01:41:12,000
typically backs up to residential.

1432
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:16,619
So you will have the CMG fronting the primary arterial

1433
01:41:16,619 --> 01:41:20,000
within the residential, the rear

1434
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,000
property lines abutting to each other.

1435
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,770
In those instances, landscape buffers are required and in

1436
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:29,000
some cases screening walls.

1437
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:34,340
So it provides that mitigation for any nuisances, light,

1438
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:38,000
noise and then also controls the access

1439
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,000
to those residential areas.

1440
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,710
So that's the difference in where we typically see CMG in

1441
01:41:43,710 --> 01:41:46,000
this city and in this instance.

1442
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:52,130
In this instance CMG is near to residential properties or

1443
01:41:52,130 --> 01:41:54,000
within proximity of residential

1444
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,000
properties but it's across the street.

1445
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,000
So they're actually facing each other.

1446
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:02,859
So no buffers would be required and that physical mechanism

1447
01:42:02,859 --> 01:42:06,000
of backing up wouldn't be there

1448
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,000
to limit that access or require that buffer.

1449
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:16,000
And so that factored into our analysis.

1450
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,000
Also under current zoning, multifamily is a permitted use.

1451
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,000
It does have two limitations.

1452
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:26,920
First, L4, that the multifamily use must be a part of a

1453
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:30,000
mixed use development or obtain

1454
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,000
approval of a specific use permit.

1455
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:37,159
The limitation 6L6 requires commercial uses on the ground

1456
01:42:37,159 --> 01:42:39,000
floor of multifamily developments

1457
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,000
along any collector, arterial or avenue.

1458
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:47,039
So in this instance multifamily could be developed on this

1459
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:49,000
side if it was a part of a mixed use

1460
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,510
development but that commercial would have to be located on

1461
01:42:52,510 --> 01:42:54,000
poinsettia on the ground

1462
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,739
floor facing those residential properties that are existing

1463
01:42:57,739 --> 01:42:58,000
.

1464
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:03,000
NRMU limits the types of developments.

1465
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,000
So it limits the commercial uses.

1466
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,520
It does have some commercial uses but it does reduce the

1467
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,000
scale of that and the intensity

1468
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,000
of those uses.

1469
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,760
It pulls back some of those uses like the auto sales or the

1470
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,000
large retail.

1471
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,390
NRMU would provide a logical extension or a logical

1472
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:21,000
transition between the single family

1473
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,869
residential to the south and the commercial development

1474
01:43:24,869 --> 01:43:27,000
that you do typically see along

1475
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,000
highways like loop 288 or arterials like Sherman Drive.

1476
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,510
You typically see commercial development in those areas but

1477
01:43:34,510 --> 01:43:36,000
to have a transition area

1478
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,289
to provide some buffer between those uses will mitigate

1479
01:43:39,289 --> 01:43:41,000
some of those nuisances that

1480
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:45,000
may be caused by commercial development.

1481
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,329
So based upon the criteria for approval in the development

1482
01:43:48,329 --> 01:43:50,000
code, first the requested

1483
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:54,050
NRMU is consistent with the future land use because it is a

1484
01:43:54,050 --> 01:43:56,000
mixed use zoning district.

1485
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:00,720
And it also provides that appropriate transition between

1486
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:04,000
the districts to allow some mix of

1487
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:09,000
uses but with a reduced scale and intensity.

1488
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,000
That concludes the zoning portion.

1489
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,729
If anybody has any questions, otherwise I'll just start

1490
01:44:13,729 --> 01:44:15,000
with the specific use.

1491
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:16,000
Commissioner Beck.

1492
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,000
Thank you, Chair.

1493
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:22,109
Just real quickly, and maybe I probably should have waited

1494
01:44:22,109 --> 01:44:24,000
to the SGP, but could you explain

1495
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:31,000
egress and egress has to be on point set and not Sherman?

1496
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,000
Certainly.

1497
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,000
For either CMG or NRMU?

1498
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,000
Certainly, yes.

1499
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,000
And that access requirement spans zoning districts.

1500
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,020
So it would be the requirement regardless of what the

1501
01:44:42,020 --> 01:44:43,000
zoning district was.

1502
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:47,109
But the DENT development code treats arterials in a special

1503
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:50,000
way in that the intent of an arterial

1504
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,729
is to move cars as quickly as possible from one point of

1505
01:44:52,729 --> 01:44:54,000
the city to the other, across

1506
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,000
the city.

1507
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,939
And so it limits the access to arterials, limits the number

1508
01:44:58,939 --> 01:45:01,000
of driveways that businesses

1509
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,000
can have on arterials.

1510
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:07,170
And so the code states that if a development can get access

1511
01:45:07,170 --> 01:45:10,000
from a lesser street, in this

1512
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,159
case Poinsettia, which is a collector, then they must take

1513
01:45:13,159 --> 01:45:15,000
access from that lesser street.

1514
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,000
That's a code requirement for all developments.

1515
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:22,880
So it's clear to me that regardless of what goes over there

1516
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,000
, CMG or NRMU, there's going

1517
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:29,159
to be some intense development there as opposed to single

1518
01:45:29,159 --> 01:45:30,000
family.

1519
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,270
We're not going to be able to build single family resid

1520
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:33,000
ences there.

1521
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
It's not permitted under friend zoning.

1522
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,000
Okay.

1523
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,000
Thank you.

1524
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,000
All right.

1525
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,000
So we'll move to the specific use permit.

1526
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,880
So the criteria for approval are in Chapter 6 of the DENT

1527
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:45,000
development code.

1528
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:49,140
And essentially our analysis is the compatibility between

1529
01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:50,000
the uses.

1530
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,510
We want to make sure that the proposed use would not impede

1531
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:56,000
the normal and orderly development

1532
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,430
of the surrounding vacant property, that the parking and

1533
01:45:59,430 --> 01:46:01,000
the traffic and the access do

1534
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:05,100
not create a nuisance or unreasonable nuisance around the

1535
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:07,000
property, that there would be any

1536
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:11,800
nuisance prevention, you know, odors or particulate matter,

1537
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,000
that those would be abated, and that

1538
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,090
there's adequate landscaping and screening, and that

1539
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:19,000
architectural compatibility is appropriate

1540
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,000
for the character of the area.

1541
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,000
So those are some of the analysis points we look at.

1542
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:29,109
In terms of this request, they are proposing a traditional

1543
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:31,000
multifamily development of 150

1544
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:37,000
units, a combination of one, two, and three bedroom units.

1545
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,850
They are proposing stone accents with earth tone colors for

1546
01:46:39,850 --> 01:46:42,000
the exterior building materials

1547
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,000
and color palette.

1548
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,989
And this development is intended to be a mixed income

1549
01:46:46,989 --> 01:46:48,000
development.

1550
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,039
And in fact, City Council approved a resolution of support

1551
01:46:51,039 --> 01:46:53,000
for this proposed development in

1552
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,000
February of this year.

1553
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,069
And just to talk briefly about this site plan, a word of

1554
01:46:58,069 --> 01:47:00,000
caution, this is conceptual.

1555
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,930
It hasn't gone through all of the reviews with the site

1556
01:47:03,930 --> 01:47:06,000
plan, but it's generally showing

1557
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,000
you what they're proposing.

1558
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:11,000
So yes, they are proposing access off of Poinsettia.

1559
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:15,000
They do have the buildings oriented adjacent to the street.

1560
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,520
The Denton Development Code requires for multifamily

1561
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:21,000
developments that the parking be placed behind

1562
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,760
the buildings to reduce any visual impacts for parking and

1563
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,000
so that the buildings are

1564
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,000
moved forward.

1565
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:31,460
They would also have to meet all street tree, parking lot

1566
01:47:31,460 --> 01:47:35,000
landscaping, and tree canopy requirements.

1567
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,729
In addition to architectural requirements, multifamily in

1568
01:47:37,729 --> 01:47:39,000
the City of Denton requires

1569
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:40,000
40% masonry.

1570
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:45,630
So that will all be something that will be reviewed during

1571
01:47:45,630 --> 01:47:47,000
site plan.

1572
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,560
These are the conceptual elevations that the applicant

1573
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,000
submitted and as well as their color

1574
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:56,000
palette.

1575
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,689
So when we analyze the request based upon the criteria of

1576
01:47:58,689 --> 01:48:00,000
approval, first of all, does

1577
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,000
it meet the Denton -- does it meet Denton Plan 2030?

1578
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,619
And multifamily development does meet the intent of

1579
01:48:06,619 --> 01:48:09,000
community mixed use because it is

1580
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,000
a moderate density housing or higher density housing.

1581
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:16,710
So it does meet that mix of uses in that -- intended for

1582
01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:18,000
that area.

1583
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:22,699
There's also another goal in the Denton Plan 2030 about

1584
01:48:22,699 --> 01:48:26,000
housing choice and affordable housing.

1585
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:30,100
And that is to expand those choices for our Denton

1586
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:33,000
residents not only in affordable housing

1587
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:34,000
but also in location.

1588
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:40,000
So this meets that goal that plan set forth.

1589
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,359
The proposed multifamily would create a physical buffer

1590
01:48:43,359 --> 01:48:46,000
between the neighborhoods and the commercial

1591
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:47,000
corridor.

1592
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,319
So under current zoning, multifamily could be located on

1593
01:48:50,319 --> 01:48:52,000
the street but it would have

1594
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,659
to have a commercial component on the lower floor which

1595
01:48:55,659 --> 01:48:58,000
would be facing those residential

1596
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,000
properties.

1597
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:03,619
So by rezoning to NRMU and then the additional SUP approval

1598
01:49:03,619 --> 01:49:07,000
, it would ensure that there would

1599
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,000
be residential properties at that location.

1600
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,159
So there would be some sort of comfort that that

1601
01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,000
residential would be there across the

1602
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,000
street from existing residential.

1603
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,239
So it would have that -- those two uses are more compatible

1604
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:20,000
together and it would remove

1605
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:24,579
that requirement to have that commercial facing those

1606
01:49:24,579 --> 01:49:27,000
residential properties.

1607
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,029
The SUP for multifamily would allow those land uses to

1608
01:49:30,029 --> 01:49:31,000
transition.

1609
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,000
So it would provide a transitional area.

1610
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,079
We've got lower density to the south of the property and

1611
01:49:37,079 --> 01:49:39,000
then you move to that NRMU 12

1612
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:42,979
with the townhome development on Poinsettia and then the

1613
01:49:42,979 --> 01:49:45,000
multifamily and then to the commercial.

1614
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,869
So it would allow that gradual transition of uses from

1615
01:49:48,869 --> 01:49:52,000
residential to commercial properties.

1616
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,859
The proposed development must meet all Denton development

1617
01:49:54,859 --> 01:49:56,000
code requirements for screening,

1618
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,000
parking, lighting, street trees and tree canopy.

1619
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,500
And that is -- it's one of those things like keeping the

1620
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:03,000
parking behind the buildings to

1621
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,000
make sure that those visual impacts are muted.

1622
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,670
To have those street trees, you know, Poinsettia has the

1623
01:50:07,670 --> 01:50:10,000
most lovely street trees, that neighborhood.

1624
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,260
They've got the street trees in the parkway and it just

1625
01:50:12,260 --> 01:50:13,000
looks so nice.

1626
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,510
So that's something that would be required of the proposed

1627
01:50:16,510 --> 01:50:18,000
development as well.

1628
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,989
And then the muted color palette that they're proposing is

1629
01:50:20,989 --> 01:50:23,000
consistent with the nearby residential

1630
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,000
development.

1631
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:29,000
Public notification was sent out for both requests.

1632
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:34,000
We've received 19 in opposition.

1633
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,829
Seven of those are within that 200 foot buffer and we did

1634
01:50:36,829 --> 01:50:39,000
talk in the work session that that

1635
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:43,000
6% of the property area within that 200 foot buffer.

1636
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,220
We received one response in favor and you can see that in

1637
01:50:46,220 --> 01:50:47,000
the green.

1638
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,000
The responses in opposition are in the red.

1639
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,840
There are conditions that staff proposes on this first that

1640
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,000
a full site plan will be submitted

1641
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,630
to the city just to ensure that it does meet all those Dent

1642
01:50:59,630 --> 01:51:02,000
on development code requirements.

1643
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,520
And that the exterior building materials must maintain

1644
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,000
those muted colors.

1645
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:10,399
So based upon those conditions, staff recommends approval

1646
01:51:10,399 --> 01:51:12,000
of the request because it is consistent

1647
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:15,420
with not only the future land use but the goals of housing

1648
01:51:15,420 --> 01:51:17,000
choice within the city of Denton.

1649
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:20,529
And that we feel it's an appropriate transition between

1650
01:51:20,529 --> 01:51:22,000
what's existing there and what will

1651
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,810
eventually be developed there at the corner of 288 and

1652
01:51:25,810 --> 01:51:27,000
Sherman Drive.

1653
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,000
And I'll stand for any questions and the applicant's here.

1654
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,000
Commissioner Beck.

1655
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,000
Thank you, Chair.

1656
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,000
Thank you, Julie.

1657
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,699
Could you go back to that site plan that showed the layout

1658
01:51:35,699 --> 01:51:37,000
of these apartments?

1659
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,000
You mentioned there would be street trees.

1660
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:44,000
Is that what those looks like three?

1661
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,000
This isn't the landscape plan.

1662
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,750
There will be a landscape plan in addition to the site plan

1663
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:48,000
.

1664
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,000
Okay.

1665
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,000
So there's going to be more there than those three dots.

1666
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:55,770
And I'm assuming that the apartments will be the back sides

1667
01:51:55,770 --> 01:51:58,000
will be facing point seven,

1668
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,000
not the entrances.

1669
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,000
They'll be facing in towards a parking lot.

1670
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:04,000
So it will be kind of like a wall there?

1671
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,420
Well, the code has pretty specific requirements for multif

1672
01:52:07,420 --> 01:52:08,000
amily.

1673
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:12,159
So it does require that there be that it be oriented toward

1674
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:14,000
the street and that stairwells

1675
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,000
can't be the prominent feature.

1676
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,539
So that's why, I mean, and that is something that they'll

1677
01:52:20,539 --> 01:52:21,000
get to when they get to the

1678
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,000
building permit stage.

1679
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,239
But, you know, we want to make sure that we provide

1680
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:29,000
pedestrian access as well in addition

1681
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:32,000
to that it presents well to the street.

1682
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,050
You know, sometimes the backs of buildings don't always

1683
01:52:34,050 --> 01:52:35,000
look the same as the front of

1684
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,000
the building.

1685
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,689
So we want to make sure that that architecture that

1686
01:52:37,689 --> 01:52:39,000
presents to the street looks just as

1687
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,000
good as where people are walking in.

1688
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,000
That's the intent of that requirement.

1689
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,000
Okay, gotcha.

1690
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,000
Thank you.

1691
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,000
Commissioner Ellis.

1692
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:47,000
Thank you, Joe.

1693
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,819
Julie, can you just give a little bit more detail on what

1694
01:52:49,819 --> 01:52:51,000
it is that City Council approved

1695
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:52,000
in February?

1696
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:53,000
Sure.

1697
01:52:53,000 --> 01:53:00,000
So they are they are using for their financing structure

1698
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,000
something called housing tax credits

1699
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,000
through the state of Texas.

1700
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:10,739
As part of that application, they went to our City Council

1701
01:53:10,739 --> 01:53:14,000
to ask for a recommendation

1702
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:18,199
of support for their proposal so that they can present that

1703
01:53:18,199 --> 01:53:20,000
as a package to the state

1704
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:23,600
of Texas to try to secure those housing tax credits for

1705
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:25,000
their financing.

1706
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:28,539
They may be able to say that they're they might be able to

1707
01:53:28,539 --> 01:53:30,000
provide a little more about

1708
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,819
how that that process works, but that's that's what the

1709
01:53:32,819 --> 01:53:35,000
City Council looked at.

1710
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:40,649
Julie, I'd like for you to go back to the slide that has

1711
01:53:40,649 --> 01:53:43,000
the list of what can go there

1712
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:44,000
and CMG.

1713
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,000
You don't mind the uses.

1714
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:53,000
So currently, I am clear your point in the commercial,

1715
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,000
typically on the north side of

1716
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:58,359
points that would be housing in the backs of those homes,

1717
01:53:58,359 --> 01:54:00,000
what about commercial?

1718
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,000
That's what we typically see.

1719
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:03,000
Yes.

1720
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:08,170
This is not that same type scenario that we would normally

1721
01:54:08,170 --> 01:54:09,000
have.

1722
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,000
Correct.

1723
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:13,300
And so what we're faced with as a commission is, and I don

1724
01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:15,000
't want to disperse anybody's

1725
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,710
project kind of the lesser you could have under right right

1726
01:54:19,710 --> 01:54:22,000
now you could do McDonald's,

1727
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,989
what a burgers dry cleaners facing out on to point set up

1728
01:54:25,989 --> 01:54:28,000
and all the traffic and all

1729
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,000
the use that goes with that.

1730
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:30,000
Yes, sir.

1731
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,000
By right.

1732
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:32,000
Yes, sir.

1733
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:33,000
Can't do anything about it.

1734
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:34,000
This is long.

1735
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,520
It meets our development criteria design criteria is

1736
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:37,000
approved.

1737
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:41,109
Any uses that are permitted in that CMG district could go

1738
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:43,000
in by right with without any public

1739
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,100
hearing, they would just have to plat and then and then

1740
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:48,000
meet the site plan and building

1741
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,000
permit requirements.

1742
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:54,130
And so with that matter of fact that we have, instead of

1743
01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:57,000
these homes having any kind of

1744
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:01,710
protection of another line of houses to the north, this

1745
01:55:01,710 --> 01:55:05,000
actually put some separation between

1746
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,199
the existing neighborhoods and what ultimately is going to

1747
01:55:08,199 --> 01:55:10,000
be very high density commercial

1748
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,000
uses out there on that corner.

1749
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:13,000
It's a transition.

1750
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,859
And that's one of the things that I know we look at a lot

1751
01:55:14,859 --> 01:55:16,000
of times at this commission

1752
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:21,000
is how do we go from low density to high density?

1753
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,000
We don't have that in this case.

1754
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,810
We have essentially low density residential here and you

1755
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:29,000
can have right across the street,

1756
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:34,000
the highest of this razor ranch type projects here.

1757
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,550
And so by having this apartment community there, it's going

1758
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:40,000
to transition the existing

1759
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,989
neighborhood that's there of low to a medium with

1760
01:55:42,989 --> 01:55:44,000
apartments.

1761
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:47,600
And then on the north side of that, we'll have the high

1762
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:49,000
commercial use.

1763
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,920
And so I just want to make sure that I'm clear and for all

1764
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,000
of us that are here tonight are

1765
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,000
clear as what can go there.

1766
01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:01,229
And so if we don't take action on this tonight, all these

1767
01:56:01,229 --> 01:56:04,000
other uses can go there by right.

1768
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,000
Okay.

1769
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,000
Thank you very much.

1770
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,000
I don't see any other questions.

1771
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,000
So thank you so much.

1772
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,000
I have a lot of cards.

1773
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,000
And bear with me.

1774
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,250
I will get through these and hopefully do well on everyone

1775
01:56:16,250 --> 01:56:17,000
's names.

1776
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:21,000
The first card I have is for Ryan Combs, the applicant.

1777
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,770
If you'll give us, please come forward and give us your

1778
01:56:24,770 --> 01:56:27,000
name and address and you'll have

1779
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,000
10 minutes to present your project.

1780
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,000
Thank you so much for allowing me to be here.

1781
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:32,000
My name is Ryan Combs.

1782
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,000
I am with Palladium USA and we are the developer.

1783
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,609
We've been working on this development for quite a while

1784
01:56:37,609 --> 01:56:38,000
now.

1785
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,220
As you saw, we were in front of City Council back in

1786
01:56:41,220 --> 01:56:44,000
February and Palladium, just a little

1787
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,779
bit of a background on Palladium, to be very brief, is that

1788
01:56:46,779 --> 01:56:48,000
we are a privately owned company.

1789
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:52,319
We're 140 years old and in a third generation of privately

1790
01:56:52,319 --> 01:56:53,000
owned.

1791
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,000
Our world headquarters is in Milan, Italy.

1792
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,000
Our American headquarters are here in Dallas.

1793
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,000
And that's where I'm at.

1794
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:03,000
And what we have done for the past 140 years is develop --

1795
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,329
pardon me, I'm getting over a little bit of stuff so I may

1796
01:57:05,329 --> 01:57:06,000
have to clear my throat.

1797
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,000
So I apologize in advance.

1798
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,470
What we've done for the past 140 years is develop the

1799
01:57:11,470 --> 01:57:15,000
nicest residential rental communities around the world.

1800
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:20,149
And we've got properties that we own in Italy, Rome, Paris,

1801
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:24,000
London, really some of the best markets around the world.

1802
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,000
And we've come here to Dallas about five years ago.

1803
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,000
So we do that here in the United States as well.

1804
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,180
We've got a 30-story high-rise that we're developing next

1805
01:57:33,180 --> 01:57:36,000
door to Liberty Mutual's new headquarters in Plano.

1806
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,890
And so it's going to be the fanciest, nicest new

1807
01:57:38,890 --> 01:57:43,000
residential rental development in all of Dallas-Fort Worth.

1808
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,680
But what we realized about five years ago is that here in

1809
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:50,579
North Texas in particular is just experiencing massive

1810
01:57:50,579 --> 01:57:51,000
growth.

1811
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,729
And there is -- there's opportunity that comes with that,

1812
01:57:53,729 --> 01:57:56,000
but there's challenges that come with that.

1813
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,989
And the city of Denton has realized that there is just a

1814
01:57:58,989 --> 01:58:02,000
real dramatic, real need for affordable housing.

1815
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,000
It really is kind of amazing to me.

1816
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,109
It wasn't that long ago that I bought my first house, and

1817
01:58:06,109 --> 01:58:08,000
my first house was $110,000.

1818
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,340
And I look now and I go, okay, so the entry level into a

1819
01:58:10,340 --> 01:58:14,189
house is $250,000, and that's what's considered affordable

1820
01:58:14,189 --> 01:58:15,000
these days.

1821
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:18,000
The world has really changed very, very rapidly.

1822
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:22,189
And so what we started doing about five years ago was

1823
01:58:22,189 --> 01:58:26,479
taking our same product, our Class A product, and going and

1824
01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:30,000
transitioning it to serve the workforce that is really just

1825
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,000
completely priced out of the market.

1826
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,220
We're talking about child care workers, medical

1827
01:58:35,220 --> 01:58:38,000
professionals, our public servants.

1828
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,420
How do these people go and afford a quarter million dollar

1829
01:58:41,420 --> 01:58:42,000
home?

1830
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,000
Well, the answer is they can't.

1831
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:47,000
And so really what we do is we go build Class A housing.

1832
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:49,000
We're looking at developing 150 units.

1833
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:54,000
It'll cost us $26 million, which is about $170,000 a unit.

1834
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,810
So this is Class A development, but we're positioning it to

1835
01:58:56,810 --> 01:59:00,369
serve the workforce, the people that need good quality

1836
01:59:00,369 --> 01:59:03,779
housing and want to eventually buy that $250,000 house but

1837
01:59:03,779 --> 01:59:05,000
just can't get there yet.

1838
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,000
And so that's what we do.

1839
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,000
We are not a merchant builder.

1840
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,000
We don't build properties and flip them and sell them.

1841
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,260
Because we're privately owned, we build properties and hold

1842
01:59:14,260 --> 01:59:15,000
them long term.

1843
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,149
We've got stuff in Western Europe that we've held for over

1844
01:59:17,149 --> 01:59:18,000
100 years.

1845
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,000
And that's what we plan to do here.

1846
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:22,000
We plan to be long-term neighbors.

1847
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,069
We've come to this area, and I think staff did a great job

1848
01:59:25,069 --> 01:59:27,000
of really kind of laying it out.

1849
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,779
We started looking at CMG, and we really started developing

1850
01:59:29,779 --> 01:59:30,000
.

1851
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,829
We're buying seven and a half acres from a gentleman who

1852
01:59:32,829 --> 01:59:34,000
owns about 20.

1853
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,000
There's about 30 acres there, and he owns 20 of it.

1854
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:38,750
And so we started working with him on doing a mixed-use

1855
01:59:38,750 --> 01:59:41,989
plan inside this CMG, which we are allowed to do, a multif

1856
01:59:41,989 --> 01:59:44,000
amily development inside that.

1857
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,390
But then we get to this L6 requirement that requires

1858
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:49,260
commercial on the bottom floor, and it really just does not

1859
01:59:49,260 --> 01:59:50,000
make sense.

1860
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,659
And so I think staff made a great -- framed it really,

1861
01:59:54,659 --> 01:59:57,000
really well that in our MU,

1862
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:01,489
this zoning allows us to really create a buffer between

1863
02:00:01,489 --> 02:00:05,000
what is going to ultimately be high-intensity commercial

1864
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:06,000
uses

1865
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:10,779
and our quality affordable housing and the residential that

1866
02:00:10,779 --> 02:00:13,000
's existing to our south.

1867
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:18,180
So with that, I'm glad to answer any questions that you may

1868
02:00:18,180 --> 02:00:19,000
have.

1869
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,000
Commissioner Beck.

1870
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:25,000
Thank you, Mr. Combs, for your presentation. Appreciate it.

1871
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:29,140
One of the biggest concerns we've heard from residents in

1872
02:00:29,140 --> 02:00:33,000
the community is a concern for increased traffic.

1873
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,989
Have you got any kind of response for them that would allay

1874
02:00:35,989 --> 02:00:37,000
their concerns?

1875
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:40,000
Has a traffic impact analysis been done yet?

1876
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:42,850
We are currently -- and I have our civil engineer here with

1877
02:00:42,850 --> 02:00:45,750
me, and he might be able to speak more specifically to this

1878
02:00:45,750 --> 02:00:46,000
.

1879
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:49,079
I can speak generally in that the city is requiring us to

1880
02:00:49,079 --> 02:00:51,000
do a traffic impact analysis.

1881
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,229
I know we are looking at pretty much all of the

1882
02:00:53,229 --> 02:00:55,000
intersections in the area around,

1883
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:58,020
and we're going to have to comply with whatever that third-

1884
02:00:58,020 --> 02:01:01,000
party traffic impact analysis tells us we need to do.

1885
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:03,689
We will -- I don't think we have a choice. I think we'll

1886
02:01:03,689 --> 02:01:05,000
have to comply with it.

1887
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:09,140
I think one area where you may be asked to go above and

1888
02:01:09,140 --> 02:01:11,000
beyond -- and just let me throw it out.

1889
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:15,630
Would you consider, you know, to offset more traffic

1890
02:01:15,630 --> 02:01:19,000
hitting points that are going out on Sherman,

1891
02:01:19,000 --> 02:01:22,159
would it be conceivable to create a right-turn lane there

1892
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:26,630
so that left -- so not everybody's in one lane to take a

1893
02:01:26,630 --> 02:01:28,000
left or a right.

1894
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,000
A dedicated right-turn lane there?

1895
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,000
Yes.

1896
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:35,000
I don't know if we can see what kind of room we have there,

1897
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:37,680
but, you know, I know that our traffic impact analysis is

1898
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:41,000
going to look at the loading of how many cars can fit and

1899
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:41,000
turn right

1900
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:44,000
and what that's going to do at the peak times of the day.

1901
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:45,000
Okay.

1902
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:46,750
So that's something that we're going to study and make sure

1903
02:01:46,750 --> 02:01:48,000
that it's adequately taken care of.

1904
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,850
And this TIA will take into consideration this development

1905
02:01:50,850 --> 02:01:52,000
-- this housing development?

1906
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,000
That's right. It will take into consideration --

1907
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,000
How much of that will come down points --

1908
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:56,619
-- the flats and everything else that's already approved in

1909
02:01:56,619 --> 02:01:57,000
the city.

1910
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:58,000
Yes, sir.

1911
02:01:58,000 --> 02:01:59,000
Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1912
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,000
I have no other questions. Thank you.

1913
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:04,000
Thank you.

1914
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:10,000
The next card I have is Sharon Herman in opposition.

1915
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:18,000
After Ms. Herman, I have to be followed by Rebecca Garcia.

1916
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:29,699
I'm Sharon Herman. I live at 1305 Manton, which is one

1917
02:02:29,699 --> 02:02:32,000
house off the corner of Poinsettia.

1918
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:36,000
I'm not -- I don't usually come and do things like this.

1919
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:38,470
Kind of bear with me. I'm probably not your most eloquent

1920
02:02:38,470 --> 02:02:39,000
speaker.

1921
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:42,000
Were you allowed to ask the developer any questions?

1922
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,689
Typically, you could ask a question here and then we could

1923
02:02:46,689 --> 02:02:48,000
take it back.

1924
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,000
Ask him?

1925
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,000
Yes, ma'am.

1926
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:51,000
Okay.

1927
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:54,350
Because as I understand it, they're looking at -- now I

1928
02:02:54,350 --> 02:02:58,000
know these two proposals are kind of blended together.

1929
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:01,000
I assume that one depends on the other one's passage.

1930
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:02,000
That's correct.

1931
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:03,000
That's correct. That's what I understand.

1932
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,000
Yes, ma'am.

1933
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:07,000
Okay. And if you change it, it's right now CMG.

1934
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:08,000
Yes.

1935
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:10,000
So these things can go in.

1936
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:13,210
I'm looking at, you know, for the size of the parcel, you

1937
02:03:13,210 --> 02:03:16,380
can't really put a motel there unless you put like a little

1938
02:03:16,380 --> 02:03:17,000
tiny one.

1939
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:19,819
Big box retail, we're not really looking at a two-story

1940
02:03:19,819 --> 02:03:22,000
Pennys or Macy's or anything like that.

1941
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:26,640
I'm looking at a vehicle repair, auto sales, McDonald's,

1942
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:28,000
Whataburger.

1943
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,000
Who knows? Maybe we'd get a Texas Roadhouse.

1944
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:35,000
But none of which are generally two-story buildings.

1945
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:38,000
They're all level, one story.

1946
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:44,000
150 units with two to three-story possibility.

1947
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:49,189
We're talking about adding 300 cars all coming out on Poins

1948
02:03:49,189 --> 02:03:50,000
ettia.

1949
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:53,260
All right. That's assuming there's only two cars per

1950
02:03:53,260 --> 02:03:54,000
dwelling.

1951
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:58,000
The likelihood of that probably is not real feasible.

1952
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,869
So maybe we're looking at 450 cars we're adding to Poinsett

1953
02:04:01,869 --> 02:04:04,300
ia on top of the additional traffic that we're adding with

1954
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:07,720
Harvest Hill when they get their finished subdivision going

1955
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:08,000
.

1956
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:13,720
Everything's going to have to exit onto Sherman Drive, okay

1957
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:16,000
, because there's no other way.

1958
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,380
Unless they decide to cut right in front of my house and

1959
02:04:18,380 --> 02:04:21,000
take Minton and cut through the subdivision that way.

1960
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:24,000
We have a lot of small children in the area.

1961
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,000
Makes it a little scary.

1962
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:29,619
And if any of you all have ever tried to exit the loop on

1963
02:04:29,619 --> 02:04:33,000
Football Friday, okay, right?

1964
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:34,000
You can't do it.

1965
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:38,000
Now add 450 more cars to that possibility.

1966
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:39,000
It's not conceivable.

1967
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:43,000
The infrastructure is not there for this development yet.

1968
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:44,000
Would it be maybe eventually?

1969
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:48,229
Yes, but I think you're trying to put the cart before the

1970
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:49,000
horse.

1971
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:53,920
The businesses, I don't see them decreasing the property

1972
02:04:53,920 --> 02:05:01,020
values as much because as I'm sorry, I forgot your name,

1973
02:05:01,020 --> 02:05:03,000
said that they have to have buffers.

1974
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,619
So if you put businesses in, we're looking at some sign of

1975
02:05:05,619 --> 02:05:08,510
cement walls, brick walls, something like that that's going

1976
02:05:08,510 --> 02:05:10,000
to buffer the neighborhood, okay?

1977
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:13,000
Whereas the apartment buildings don't have to have that.

1978
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:15,000
Maybe they have to have some nice landscaping.

1979
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,810
But basically what I'm looking at is two or three story

1980
02:05:17,810 --> 02:05:20,859
people sitting out on their balcony looking at my backyard

1981
02:05:20,859 --> 02:05:22,000
like a fishbowl.

1982
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,000
All right?

1983
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:26,000
And that's not why we bought in that neighborhood.

1984
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,000
This is not a startup neighborhood.

1985
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:31,000
This is one of your better neighborhoods in Denton.

1986
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:36,000
I think it's going to turn it into a startup neighborhood.

1987
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,000
Thank you.

1988
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,000
Thank you.

1989
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:39,000
I have a question for you.

1990
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:40,000
I'm sorry.

1991
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:41,000
Come back to my question.

1992
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:42,000
You're back.

1993
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,000
Thank you, Chair.

1994
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,000
Thank you, Sharon, for your presentation.

1995
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,000
Just one quick question.

1996
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:49,989
You made a comment about your concern about apartments dev

1997
02:05:49,989 --> 02:05:51,000
aluing property.

1998
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:52,000
Okay.

1999
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:55,170
Is that just assumed or do you have some data that would

2000
02:05:55,170 --> 02:05:57,000
support that conclusion?

2001
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:01,109
I don't because I really didn't know what to expect coming

2002
02:06:01,109 --> 02:06:03,000
to this meeting at all.

2003
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:04,000
Okay.

2004
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,340
Had I really realized what was going on, I probably would

2005
02:06:06,340 --> 02:06:08,000
have had my own slide presentation.

2006
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:09,000
Okay.

2007
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:10,000
Okay.

2008
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:13,289
I do wonder why though, as long as you ask, why a traffic

2009
02:06:13,289 --> 02:06:16,520
study wasn't done prior to the voting on this instead of

2010
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,880
saying, oh, well, we'll do a traffic study after we approve

2011
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:20,000
it.

2012
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:23,760
Because it sounds like it's already been semi-approved

2013
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,000
without the community input.

2014
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,000
I can't answer that.

2015
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:28,000
I'll let somebody else.

2016
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:30,550
But I just want to point out, and I live up the road from

2017
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:31,000
now.

2018
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:32,000
I'm on Sherman Drive.

2019
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:37,010
Were you aware that if you go down Coronado there, two

2020
02:06:37,010 --> 02:06:40,000
blocks off Sherman, on Bell, you have a row.

2021
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:44,000
You have the Section 8 housing.

2022
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:50,000
You have a row of townhouses on the south side of Coronado.

2023
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:52,000
And then you have all those apartments up there.

2024
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,000
I do.

2025
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:57,350
I haven't seen anything that devalues property with that

2026
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:59,000
condition there.

2027
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:02,979
So I would question whether that's a certainty that

2028
02:07:02,979 --> 02:07:07,000
apartments are automatically going to devalue.

2029
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:09,000
Do I believe that?

2030
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:10,000
Yes, I do.

2031
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:11,000
Understand?

2032
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,000
I understand you believe that.

2033
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:16,189
Well, you've got potentially 300 plus people coming into

2034
02:07:16,189 --> 02:07:20,000
all those people that are in Colorado and all down there.

2035
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:23,000
They're all coming up Sherman trying to get on the loop.

2036
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:24,000
So they're all coming up there.

2037
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:26,640
Now, those people are going to be coming into the people

2038
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:30,000
coming off of Poinsettia, which is the other 300 to 450

2039
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,000
vehicles that are coming on there.

2040
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,630
That can't not devalue your property because traffic

2041
02:07:35,630 --> 02:07:39,189
patterns and quiet and noise reduction is all part of what

2042
02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:43,000
makes our neighborhood a really nice neighborhood.

2043
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,000
Okay.

2044
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:46,000
I have one more question for you.

2045
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:47,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

2046
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:50,000
Well, I actually had you mentioned about buffers.

2047
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:54,770
I think they mentioned earlier that if the business come in

2048
02:07:54,770 --> 02:07:59,000
, they'll be facing, they'll also be facing Poinsettia.

2049
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,869
So they wouldn't be putting buffers because they'd be

2050
02:08:02,869 --> 02:08:07,000
facing right, they'd be coming off into Poinsettia.

2051
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:11,100
And you mentioned that they would have to put buffers

2052
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:13,000
between Poinsettia and...

2053
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:15,590
They'll have to put something because they're not going to

2054
02:08:15,590 --> 02:08:18,130
just remove the entire curb and open that whole thing up to

2055
02:08:18,130 --> 02:08:19,000
the business.

2056
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:23,000
So you're going to have to have an entrance type of thing.

2057
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:24,000
Okay.

2058
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,000
And they're not going to be looking in my backyard.

2059
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,989
I was just kind of, I was just going by what I thought I

2060
02:08:29,989 --> 02:08:32,000
heard that they'd be coming in.

2061
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:34,000
Yeah, I thought you said buffers too.

2062
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,600
But I thought you said if there were businesses, they

2063
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:38,000
wouldn't have buffers.

2064
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:39,000
The buffer would be the road.

2065
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:40,000
Is that correct?

2066
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:42,000
Sure.

2067
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:45,000
I'm sorry, I forgot to ask you.

2068
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:49,039
So because there is a right of way separating the single

2069
02:08:49,039 --> 02:08:52,430
family residential uses and the commercial zoning, no buff

2070
02:08:52,430 --> 02:08:54,000
ers would be required.

2071
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,000
Okay, for the businesses?

2072
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:57,000
Business, no, yeah, nothing.

2073
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:59,000
And there's nothing required for the apartments?

2074
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:02,000
No, ma'am, only when those uses are abutting.

2075
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:03,000
Okay.

2076
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,829
So the businesses might not have buffers, but we don't lose

2077
02:09:05,829 --> 02:09:08,000
anything because the apartments won't even...

2078
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,810
We can't do two, so if you have some comments you would

2079
02:09:09,810 --> 02:09:11,649
like to make so we can get them on the record, people are

2080
02:09:11,649 --> 02:09:13,000
watching and they can't hear you.

2081
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:14,000
I'm sorry.

2082
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:17,159
My statement was just if the businesses don't have any buff

2083
02:09:17,159 --> 02:09:20,250
ers, but the apartments and things don't have to have any

2084
02:09:20,250 --> 02:09:21,000
buffers.

2085
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:22,000
So really it's a wash.

2086
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,560
We haven't lost anything either way other than the two-

2087
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:28,000
story, the 450 vehicles.

2088
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,239
Leaving in the morning, coming home at night compared to

2089
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:32,000
the businesses, we're not going to get 450.

2090
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:34,000
I don't care what kind of business you put there.

2091
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:37,079
You are not going to get 450 cars there at 8 o'clock in the

2092
02:09:37,079 --> 02:09:39,000
morning and 5 o'clock at night.

2093
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:40,000
Okay, great.

2094
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:43,000
I'll ask you later for a clarification also.

2095
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,359
Will you clarify in your presentation, is multifamily

2096
02:09:46,359 --> 02:09:48,000
allowed there already?

2097
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,000
Yes, sir.

2098
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:50,000
At this site?

2099
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,000
Yes, sir.

2100
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:53,000
So multifamily can go on this site as is.

2101
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:56,880
The only difference is on the SUP is whether it's going to

2102
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:59,000
have retail on the bottom.

2103
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:00,000
Yes, sir.

2104
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,000
So multifamily is allowed on the site as is.

2105
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,979
So this is essentially a down zone from what's currently

2106
02:10:05,979 --> 02:10:09,000
allowed there to go from CMG to the NRBU.

2107
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:10,000
Yes, sir.

2108
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,000
Okay, thank you.

2109
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:19,260
The next speaker I have is Rebecca Garcia to be followed by

2110
02:10:19,260 --> 02:10:21,000
Jean Golf.

2111
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:28,000
Hi, my name is Becky Garcia and I live right on the corner.

2112
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:32,000
My concern is I always knew something was coming in there.

2113
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,000
We thought it was going to be some more town homes.

2114
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:37,000
We thought it was, you know, we take the low income.

2115
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,100
If they don't want them at that low place, we'll take the

2116
02:10:39,100 --> 02:10:40,000
low income houses.

2117
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,000
You know, my home is there.

2118
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:43,000
It's not my house.

2119
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:44,000
It's my home.

2120
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:46,000
It's their home.

2121
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:49,399
We have a really, I'm getting emotional, we have a really,

2122
02:10:49,399 --> 02:10:51,000
really nice community.

2123
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:55,010
We like each other with a couple of, two that maybe lets

2124
02:10:55,010 --> 02:10:57,000
their dog, you know, pick, they don't pick up their poop.

2125
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,000
But we like each other.

2126
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:01,000
We know who we are.

2127
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:04,000
We know almost everybody in the neighborhood.

2128
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:07,779
One of my big concerns is sitting right there with these

2129
02:11:07,779 --> 02:11:09,000
older ladies.

2130
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,000
They live on the town homes.

2131
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:13,350
When they first put the town homes in, they were going to

2132
02:11:13,350 --> 02:11:14,000
go two stories.

2133
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,989
And we thought we don't want two stories because you're

2134
02:11:16,989 --> 02:11:19,000
going to be looking into our yards.

2135
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:21,000
I have a pool.

2136
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:24,000
I don't think they want to see me swimming in my pool.

2137
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:27,000
I don't want them looking in my pool.

2138
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:32,199
So I'm thinking, I understand the apartments are going to

2139
02:11:32,199 --> 02:11:33,000
go in.

2140
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:35,000
But they're not really homes.

2141
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:37,000
They're apartments.

2142
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:38,000
We live in homes.

2143
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:40,000
We have children.

2144
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:45,000
I've got students that live in the complex.

2145
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:48,470
When I moved in, my friend said, "You are moving into a

2146
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:51,479
community where your kids you teach, they're in your

2147
02:11:51,479 --> 02:11:52,000
community."

2148
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,560
I said, "That's where I want to live. I want to see them

2149
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:55,000
grow up."

2150
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:56,000
And they have.

2151
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:57,000
They've grown up.

2152
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:58,000
They have kids.

2153
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,000
They come back.

2154
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:00,000
We're all still there.

2155
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:04,000
So, okay, McDonald's would be okay.

2156
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,000
Car dealership, maybe not.

2157
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:11,369
Can there possibly be a buffer instead of a three-story

2158
02:12:11,369 --> 02:12:18,630
apartment right on our poinsettia to maybe two and then go

2159
02:12:18,630 --> 02:12:19,000
up?

2160
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:22,000
Does it have to be just three right in front of us?

2161
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:25,000
I mean, is that a consideration?

2162
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:28,000
Or have they already decided on what they're doing?

2163
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:31,020
Because, you know, if you go in our neighborhood, you see

2164
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:34,300
people walking, the early birds walking at -- I don't know

2165
02:12:34,300 --> 02:12:35,000
what time you guys get up.

2166
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:37,000
At 7 o'clock in the morning, they're walking.

2167
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:39,000
They're walking at 2 o'clock.

2168
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:43,000
We got kids all over the place, scooters, bikes.

2169
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:44,850
We got the dad who's training his kid I know to be a

2170
02:12:44,850 --> 02:12:47,000
marathon because they're running all the time.

2171
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:50,000
The kids play basketball out there on the streets.

2172
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,000
Where are these kids going to go?

2173
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:53,000
There's no park.

2174
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:57,000
Even if you put a sidewalk, there's no place to go.

2175
02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,000
So what are they going to do?

2176
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:03,359
I mean, so I understand we're going to be a buffer, but

2177
02:13:03,359 --> 02:13:07,000
maybe, you know, have a little bit more.

2178
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:10,869
And you haven't even considered the -- I got 20 seconds --

2179
02:13:10,869 --> 02:13:14,000
the Sherman's Crossing that's going across.

2180
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:18,770
I mean, so we're getting ready to get inundated with a ton

2181
02:13:18,770 --> 02:13:20,000
of traffic.

2182
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:22,000
Thank you.

2183
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:24,000
Oh, and Mr. Beck, thank you.

2184
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,779
I know you gave us a lot of information on our -- so we

2185
02:13:26,779 --> 02:13:28,000
kind of helped us.

2186
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,000
Thank you very much.

2187
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:32,000
Thank you for your comments.

2188
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:41,689
Next speaker is Janine Goff to be followed by Camille Haz

2189
02:13:41,689 --> 02:13:43,000
ard.

2190
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:44,000
Good evening.

2191
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:48,000
My name is Jean Marie Goff, and I live at 1301 Manton.

2192
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:49,000
Excuse me.

2193
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:50,000
I'm in the corner.

2194
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:51,000
I'm Sharon's neighbor.

2195
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:56,000
I've lived in my home for 16 years, and it is a home.

2196
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:59,000
Becky mentioned that behind us when the townhomes went in,

2197
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:03,000
typically you think of a townhome as being two-story.

2198
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:06,000
We came to Planning and Zoning and told them our concerns,

2199
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:11,000
and the builders ended up building single-level townhomes.

2200
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:12,000
It's very unusual.

2201
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:15,470
They look more like quadruplexes or triplexes or at the

2202
02:14:15,470 --> 02:14:18,000
very far end of the street duplexes.

2203
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,180
And as it turned out, I think, as was already noted, many

2204
02:14:21,180 --> 02:14:24,000
of the women that are sitting here live in those townhomes.

2205
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,510
It's a lifesaver for women and older people who don't want

2206
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:29,000
to climb the stairs.

2207
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:31,489
I tell you what, I tried to buy one of those a couple of

2208
02:14:31,489 --> 02:14:33,000
years ago, and you can't.

2209
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:35,000
I mean, people are holding onto them.

2210
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:37,000
They do not want to sell those.

2211
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:39,000
I mean, they are a moneymaker.

2212
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,000
They're a cash cow.

2213
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:44,770
That's, in my opinion, what should go across the street on

2214
02:14:44,770 --> 02:14:46,000
Poinsettia.

2215
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:50,449
One of my concerns is because so many people that live in

2216
02:14:50,449 --> 02:14:54,000
the townhomes are retired people,

2217
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,989
we're looking at an apartment complex that will appeal to

2218
02:14:56,989 --> 02:14:58,000
younger people.

2219
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:01,630
I'm not so sure what kind of a good mix that is for the

2220
02:15:01,630 --> 02:15:03,000
neighborhood.

2221
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:08,760
I'm also concerned about, of course, generation of the

2222
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:10,000
traffic.

2223
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:15,000
I do think that the NRMU is a good change.

2224
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:19,319
I've read the comparisons, and I do think it's a good move

2225
02:15:19,319 --> 02:15:22,000
to move to that away from the CMG.

2226
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:27,850
I also want to mention that I would be happier to see townh

2227
02:15:27,850 --> 02:15:30,000
omes go over there instead of apartments,

2228
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:34,649
because as Becky said, we are homeowners, not as many ren

2229
02:15:34,649 --> 02:15:36,000
ters in the neighborhood.

2230
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:39,000
I am concerned about three-story.

2231
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:44,449
It was written in the document, the staff analysis, that my

2232
02:15:44,449 --> 02:15:48,000
community consisted of one- and two-story homes.

2233
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:51,000
There are no two-story homes in my neighborhood.

2234
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:55,909
So when these three-story apartments go in, it's going to

2235
02:15:55,909 --> 02:15:58,000
look very different.

2236
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,750
I mean, not two-story, but they are going to be three-story

2237
02:16:01,750 --> 02:16:04,000
with all of our one-story homes.

2238
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:07,000
So I have a concern about three-story homes.

2239
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:09,890
And as Sharon said, the traffic, trying to get in and out

2240
02:16:09,890 --> 02:16:13,239
of the neighborhood, even when Poinsettia opens up at the

2241
02:16:13,239 --> 02:16:15,000
other end, there'll be a lot of traffic.

2242
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:19,590
But my concern is the three-stories, the traffic, the type

2243
02:16:19,590 --> 02:16:23,000
of people who come in with the apartments.

2244
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:27,369
The other thing is they haven't addressed, they have asked

2245
02:16:27,369 --> 02:16:30,000
for the lower income subsidies.

2246
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:34,319
What percentage of the apartments are going to be for this

2247
02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:38,719
group of people who meet the 50 to 60% of the median income

2248
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:39,000
?

2249
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:42,010
That's another thing, another concern that we have in our

2250
02:16:42,010 --> 02:16:43,000
neighborhood.

2251
02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:46,000
So I thank you very much for your time.

2252
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:47,540
>> Thank you for coming out to sign and sharing your

2253
02:16:47,540 --> 02:16:48,000
comments.

2254
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,000
>> Thank you.

2255
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:55,010
>> Next speaker I have is Camille Hazard in opposition to

2256
02:16:55,010 --> 02:16:58,000
be followed by Leslie Walder.

2257
02:16:58,000 --> 02:16:59,000
>> Hello, my name is Camille Hazard.

2258
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:03,159
I live at 1514 Poinsettia, so I will be a direct neighbor

2259
02:17:03,159 --> 02:17:06,000
across the street from whatever goes in.

2260
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:08,000
We are definitely opposed.

2261
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:10,610
As all our neighbors have mentioned, and I'm sure more will

2262
02:17:10,610 --> 02:17:12,000
come up, it is a community.

2263
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,000
It is small homes.

2264
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:18,000
It feels like a home, even though we live in a townhouse.

2265
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:22,000
We do not want to look at a three-story apartment complex.

2266
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:26,020
I have a lot of concerns about all of the new development

2267
02:17:26,020 --> 02:17:27,000
going in.

2268
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:30,000
We have 150 homes at the end of Poinsettia going in.

2269
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:34,770
We have things across the Sherman and kind of all around us

2270
02:17:34,770 --> 02:17:37,000
, and the traffic is already bad.

2271
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:40,680
I also, when I look at the site plan, I see that there's

2272
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:47,000
150 units, 259 required parking spaces to accommodate that

2273
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:47,000
projected.

2274
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:50,629
And there's only 268 that they're going to plan to develop

2275
02:17:50,629 --> 02:17:52,000
for parking spaces.

2276
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,000
That's completely inadequate.

2277
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:56,299
And then they also have on the site plan, it appears to be

2278
02:17:56,299 --> 02:18:00,000
parking on Poinsettia outside of the apartment complex.

2279
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:03,000
And that's really going to ruin our entire community.

2280
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:06,250
The aesthetic, the traffic, it's already going to be very

2281
02:18:06,250 --> 02:18:09,000
tight if you're going to have parking outside.

2282
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:11,000
So again, we're completely opposed to that.

2283
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:14,000
And we agree that there's children, there's pets.

2284
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:18,000
There's our sidewalks are large.

2285
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:22,250
There's a lot of people that use Poinsettia as a nice kind

2286
02:18:22,250 --> 02:18:27,000
of park atmosphere, and it will absolutely demolish that.

2287
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:30,059
We would much prefer that this be rezoned for something

2288
02:18:30,059 --> 02:18:32,899
similar to what we already have, whether they're town homes

2289
02:18:32,899 --> 02:18:37,000
, condos, something smaller that would be more suitable.

2290
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:40,649
And when you're talking about a lot of people have spoken

2291
02:18:40,649 --> 02:18:44,729
about affordable housing, that's a lot more affordable than

2292
02:18:44,729 --> 02:18:48,000
$250,000 median home price.

2293
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:52,000
So we would prefer something like that.

2294
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:56,000
Thank you for coming out in your comments.

2295
02:18:56,000 --> 02:19:00,100
Next speaker, Leslie Wilder in opposition to the don't have

2296
02:19:00,100 --> 02:19:02,000
another card after that.

2297
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:05,000
Thank you.

2298
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:08,000
I am Leslie Wilder on Teal Drive 3903.

2299
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:12,000
Teal Drive has been there 13 years, 13 and a half years.

2300
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:14,000
Some of these have been much longer.

2301
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:17,870
As it has been explained already, these are single story

2302
02:19:17,870 --> 02:19:21,000
homes, all of them the whole neighborhood.

2303
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:24,569
My biggest concern is three story apartments right next to

2304
02:19:24,569 --> 02:19:25,000
us.

2305
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:28,629
It's going to totally change the atmosphere of our

2306
02:19:28,629 --> 02:19:30,000
neighborhood.

2307
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:33,510
But my bigger concern is the parking on Poinsettia and the

2308
02:19:33,510 --> 02:19:37,000
access on Poinsettia, I think, that you had already shared.

2309
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:40,000
So how can we address that?

2310
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,989
That they're not walking out of the apartments onto Poins

2311
02:19:43,989 --> 02:19:46,000
ettia and parking there?

2312
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:49,270
Because right now, we can't have two cars pass on that

2313
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:53,000
street as it is, because there's parking on both sides.

2314
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:55,170
And so we're going to add a lot more people parking on

2315
02:19:55,170 --> 02:19:56,000
those streets.

2316
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:58,000
I think it's going to be a problem.

2317
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,000
I think it needs to be considered.

2318
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,000
And then I have a question for you.

2319
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:07,329
Can you explain a little bit in more detail what the mixed

2320
02:20:07,329 --> 02:20:09,000
income means?

2321
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:13,809
We probably have to call on staff, or if staff can't

2322
02:20:13,809 --> 02:20:18,000
address that, possibly the applicant.

2323
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:26,399
We'll call on the applicant to answer that question for you

2324
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:27,000
.

2325
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:28,000
Sure.

2326
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:31,870
So this is exactly what went in front of City Council back

2327
02:20:31,870 --> 02:20:33,000
in February.

2328
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:36,000
And so we were applying for these housing tax credits.

2329
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:38,850
And so what we have is we have 150 units, 57 of those units

2330
02:20:38,850 --> 02:20:42,000
, so a little over a third are just completely unrestricted.

2331
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:43,000
So those are four.

2332
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:46,969
There's no restrictions other than we do background checks

2333
02:20:46,969 --> 02:20:49,000
on everybody that comes in.

2334
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:51,489
You know, one of the things that, you know, I've got -- I

2335
02:20:51,489 --> 02:20:53,000
live in a single-family home.

2336
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:55,000
The house right behind me just went up for rent.

2337
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,000
There's a lot of speculators all over DFW right now.

2338
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:00,159
And the house behind me just went up for rent to some

2339
02:21:00,159 --> 02:21:01,000
single people.

2340
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:02,000
That happened to be very nice.

2341
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:05,219
But if that had been rented to a sex offender, I legally

2342
02:21:05,219 --> 02:21:08,370
have no way to go keep that person from moving into that

2343
02:21:08,370 --> 02:21:09,000
house.

2344
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,280
We can discriminate on those things, and we do discriminate

2345
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:14,000
on those things, which is why we do background checks.

2346
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,450
Fair housing allows us to discriminate as long as we do it

2347
02:21:16,450 --> 02:21:18,000
equally across the property.

2348
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,000
So we do that.

2349
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:23,649
As far as what the mix looks like, low income, HUD defines

2350
02:21:23,649 --> 02:21:28,000
low income as people making 30% of the area median income.

2351
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:32,120
The area median income is $73,000 for the Dallas MSA, which

2352
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:34,000
is what we are in right here.

2353
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,000
30% of that would be people making in the low 20s.

2354
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:39,809
That is a lot of the HUD housing, the Section 8 housing,

2355
02:21:39,809 --> 02:21:41,000
that type of stuff.

2356
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,000
That's not what this is.

2357
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:46,000
57 of our units will be completely unrestricted.

2358
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:48,479
The majority of what's left is going to be serving people

2359
02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:51,000
making 50 to 60% of the area median income.

2360
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:53,629
So you're talking about people making the 30s and $40,000 a

2361
02:21:53,629 --> 02:21:54,000
year.

2362
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:56,159
These are the working class people that work in our

2363
02:21:56,159 --> 02:21:59,000
restaurants and our service industry, these type of people.

2364
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:02,780
They've got to be able to afford, you know, they've got to

2365
02:22:02,780 --> 02:22:05,590
be able to have income to be able to afford rent from, you

2366
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:06,000
know,

2367
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:11,430
say $700 to $900 for a one bedroom, $9,000 to $1,000 for a

2368
02:22:11,430 --> 02:22:16,000
two bedroom, $1,100 to $1,200 for a three bedroom.

2369
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:19,000
So hopefully that answers your question.

2370
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:21,000
Great. Thank you for sharing that information.

2371
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:23,000
Thank you.

2372
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:26,870
I have grown up in Denton my whole life, lived in Narcob at

2373
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:30,000
school in Denton, and my father has been on several of the

2374
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:32,000
boards here in town.

2375
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:36,049
And I will say that I am a little disappointed that this

2376
02:22:36,049 --> 02:22:39,579
developer did not hold a public hearing for the

2377
02:22:39,579 --> 02:22:41,000
neighborhood.

2378
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:45,000
This is the first public hearing I'm aware of.

2379
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:48,600
And so with that in mind, that concerns me with what he

2380
02:22:48,600 --> 02:22:51,000
plans to do in our neighborhood.

2381
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:53,000
So I would like you to consider that.

2382
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:55,000
And I appreciate you listening.

2383
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:59,000
Thank you.

2384
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:01,000
I'm sorry. I got a question for you, Commissioner Beck.

2385
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:02,000
Thank you, Chair.

2386
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:05,870
Just to try and answer, I'm not the authority, but if this

2387
02:23:05,870 --> 02:23:10,000
is approved, when they come in, then we look at site plans

2388
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:14,829
and they have to meet specific regulations, very tight ones

2389
02:23:14,829 --> 02:23:15,000
.

2390
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:17,690
That will be another opportunity for everybody to come back

2391
02:23:17,690 --> 02:23:20,000
and make sure we're not putting trash in there.

2392
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:21,000
And we will.

2393
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:22,000
Good. Good.

2394
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:23,000
We want you to.

2395
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:24,000
Okay.

2396
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:25,000
But just wanted to share that with you.

2397
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:26,000
Thank you.

2398
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:27,000
Of course.

2399
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:29,879
I've not got information before it gets that because it

2400
02:23:29,879 --> 02:23:32,760
appears that you have already met on this and we were not

2401
02:23:32,760 --> 02:23:34,000
made aware of that.

2402
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:37,159
And I would say, clarification, we have this board has not

2403
02:23:37,159 --> 02:23:38,000
met on this.

2404
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:40,000
This is the first time that this item has come before us.

2405
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:42,770
It has gone before City Council, which is a different board

2406
02:23:42,770 --> 02:23:43,000
.

2407
02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:45,690
I would concur, too, that it would have liked to see the

2408
02:23:45,690 --> 02:23:48,000
developer have a community meeting, too.

2409
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:49,000
That's always preferable.

2410
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:50,000
I agree.

2411
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:51,000
But that's their call.

2412
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:52,000
Thank you.

2413
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:53,000
Thank you.

2414
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:54,000
I have a question.

2415
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:57,000
I have one other question for you, Commissioner Sanchez.

2416
02:23:57,000 --> 02:24:00,620
Yes, I wanted to ask you, are you concerned with the

2417
02:24:00,620 --> 02:24:04,000
changing of the zoning or are you concerned with the.

2418
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:05,000
Good question.

2419
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:08,090
I would say that the zoning is in our favor as, you know,

2420
02:24:08,090 --> 02:24:11,000
as has been explained as far as what can go there.

2421
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:14,930
So not necessarily the zoning, more the project, I would

2422
02:24:14,930 --> 02:24:17,000
say, would be concerning.

2423
02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:21,000
The traffic, my husband works for the city, an engineer.

2424
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:24,360
Probably would love me not saying that, but I can say that

2425
02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:27,000
we're both concerned about those things.

2426
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:28,000
Okay.

2427
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:29,000
Thank you.

2428
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:30,000
Thank you.

2429
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:31,000
No other questions.

2430
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:33,479
I'm going to have a whole stack of cards and I'm just going

2431
02:24:33,479 --> 02:24:35,000
to go through before I do that.

2432
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:38,000
I want to call this none of the cards marked wish to speak.

2433
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:40,590
So if there's anyone else who would like to speak on this

2434
02:24:40,590 --> 02:24:44,180
item, would ask you to come forward at this time and then I

2435
02:24:44,180 --> 02:24:47,229
'll just read through the cards and put the comments in the

2436
02:24:47,229 --> 02:24:48,000
record.

2437
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:56,000
Okay.

2438
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:57,000
My name is Michael Cohen.

2439
02:24:57,000 --> 02:25:05,760
I live at 3918 till and I do not know the legality of what

2440
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:09,000
PNC does versus city council.

2441
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:14,370
But I would like to express and concur with most of what

2442
02:25:14,370 --> 02:25:20,329
everybody's saying and it's mainly traffic patterns that we

2443
02:25:20,329 --> 02:25:26,290
're concerned because we do have the 150 units or 150 homes

2444
02:25:26,290 --> 02:25:31,000
that are going in just to the east.

2445
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:37,010
Zoning has already been approved for what the south west

2446
02:25:37,010 --> 02:25:44,969
corner of Sherman and Luke to 88 for shopping center,

2447
02:25:44,969 --> 02:25:48,000
housing, multifamily.

2448
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:56,170
And it's just it's it's too much traffic and I know that it

2449
02:25:56,170 --> 02:26:02,000
's already zone for big box or retail.

2450
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:06,700
I think the planning and zoning commission, while the

2451
02:26:06,700 --> 02:26:11,639
zoning is already there, needs to consider the traffic and

2452
02:26:11,639 --> 02:26:15,000
I know the traffic steadiest part of it.

2453
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:18,459
But the second side of this and again, I don't know the

2454
02:26:18,459 --> 02:26:21,530
legal side of PNC and whether you can take that in

2455
02:26:21,530 --> 02:26:23,000
consideration.

2456
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:26,040
But I think you've heard from enough of the people in the

2457
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:29,219
community, the neighborhood that are against this much

2458
02:26:29,219 --> 02:26:30,000
traffic.

2459
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:33,309
And I do think PNC needs to take into consideration what

2460
02:26:33,309 --> 02:26:36,750
the neighborhood believes should or should not happen in

2461
02:26:36,750 --> 02:26:39,000
that particular neighborhood.

2462
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:40,000
Thank you.

2463
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:41,000
Thank you for your comments.

2464
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:44,739
If you wouldn't mind, would you fill out we've got the cars

2465
02:26:44,739 --> 02:26:45,000
.

2466
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:47,000
There should be some probably right outside the door.

2467
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:49,389
So anyone who would like to speak who hasn't filled out a

2468
02:26:49,389 --> 02:26:51,000
card, please come on and speak.

2469
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:53,399
And then afterward, if you'll give us a fill out a card for

2470
02:26:53,399 --> 02:26:56,000
us, if you'll give your name and address, sir, please.

2471
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:57,000
My name is Scott Hazard.

2472
02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:01,239
I live at 1514 Point Celia, which, as my wife said, is

2473
02:27:01,239 --> 02:27:05,000
right across the street from where we're going to be.

2474
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:08,530
The fact that we weren't told about this, we really kind of

2475
02:27:08,530 --> 02:27:12,000
feel like we were blindsided by this, by the developer,

2476
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:16,690
which kind of affects the way that we hear that developer

2477
02:27:16,690 --> 02:27:20,000
when they talk about things that they do,

2478
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:23,469
because we feel like they've been a little bit less than

2479
02:27:23,469 --> 02:27:26,000
candid with us on getting this done.

2480
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:29,000
I would like to talk about two things.

2481
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:32,510
I'd like to invite each one of you at 530 to come on the

2482
02:27:32,510 --> 02:27:36,280
loop like you're going towards Sherman and turn left on

2483
02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:41,000
Sherman Drive from the loop, that left turn right there.

2484
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:44,000
It's absolutely horrible.

2485
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:47,540
And when you get the stop, when you turn left on Sherman

2486
02:27:47,540 --> 02:27:51,000
Drive and you don't get hit by somebody trying to turn left

2487
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:53,510
to head out of town on Sherman Drive from the other

2488
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:54,000
direction,

2489
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:57,870
you immediately have to get in that left lane to turn onto

2490
02:27:57,870 --> 02:27:59,000
Point Celia.

2491
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:02,000
That is going to be a nightmare right there.

2492
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:05,290
You're going to have cars in the evening backed up all the

2493
02:28:05,290 --> 02:28:08,440
way to the loop where those people are making that left

2494
02:28:08,440 --> 02:28:09,000
turn.

2495
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:13,000
It's going to be a traffic nightmare.

2496
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:16,629
I think what's happening here is we've got this 150 houses

2497
02:28:16,629 --> 02:28:18,000
going in on one side.

2498
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:22,000
We've got Sherman Crossing going in on the other side.

2499
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:24,760
And now these guys want to build these apartments right

2500
02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:27,000
here that all drains out onto Point Celia.

2501
02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:31,770
I understand the reason that that has to be as far as the

2502
02:28:31,770 --> 02:28:33,000
code goes.

2503
02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:36,559
But I think you guys are creating a very dangerous

2504
02:28:36,559 --> 02:28:41,000
situation at the corner of Point Celia and Sherman Drive.

2505
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:44,000
And I think you're also creating a very dangerous situation

2506
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:48,600
because those, as soon as these apartments are going to be

2507
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:49,000
built,

2508
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:51,850
you guys should know as well as I do that there's going to

2509
02:28:51,850 --> 02:28:55,000
be a solid row of cars on the north side of Point Celia

2510
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:56,000
pretty much all the time

2511
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:58,469
because that's where those people are going to park because

2512
02:28:58,469 --> 02:29:02,000
they're not building enough parking inside for these guys.

2513
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:04,000
They're creating a parking nightmare.

2514
02:29:04,000 --> 02:29:07,000
And what they're doing is pushing the parking nightmare

2515
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,729
over to the people who live on Point Celia to let us deal

2516
02:29:09,729 --> 02:29:12,000
with all of their overflow parking.

2517
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:14,000
And this can't happen.

2518
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:17,000
It's going to cause lots of problems.

2519
02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:19,000
It may cost some lives.

2520
02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:21,790
It'll definitely destroy the neighborhood that we've got

2521
02:29:21,790 --> 02:29:25,489
where we walk our dogs, where we let our kids ride their

2522
02:29:25,489 --> 02:29:26,000
bikes.

2523
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,969
And I'm going to ask you all at the very least to table

2524
02:29:29,969 --> 02:29:33,000
this and get some more information.

2525
02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:35,000
Let's get a detailed traffic analysis.

2526
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:37,420
Let's look at all the traffic patterns as they're going to

2527
02:29:37,420 --> 02:29:41,530
be affected by the extra houses or extra units that are

2528
02:29:41,530 --> 02:29:45,000
being built essentially on each side of us and then

2529
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:46,000
consider that.

2530
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:50,870
So I just think if you approve this tonight, you're just

2531
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:55,190
doing this willy-nilly and it's going to be a big, big, big

2532
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:56,000
mess.

2533
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:59,000
Thank you for your comments.

2534
02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:08,000
Thank you.

2535
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:10,000
I wasn't going to fill out a card, but I'm going to now.

2536
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:11,000
Hi, I'm Connie Lane.

2537
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:13,000
I live two doors down from them.

2538
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:16,000
We have the same view, 1602 Poinsettia.

2539
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:19,000
I'm 510.

2540
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:25,190
One of the questions I had was when Julie had the picture

2541
02:30:25,190 --> 02:30:31,479
up here of Sherman Drive being six lanes divided, how are

2542
02:30:31,479 --> 02:30:35,260
you going to get across there if it's divided out of Poins

2543
02:30:35,260 --> 02:30:36,000
ettia?

2544
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:40,000
Is there going to be a ramp we can go across that divided?

2545
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:43,870
Is there going to be a new bridge or is it just going to be

2546
02:30:43,870 --> 02:30:47,000
open where we are all going to get in rags?

2547
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:49,000
Just curious.

2548
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:51,000
I'll call on Julie to try to answer that.

2549
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:52,000
Sure.

2550
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:55,979
So primary arterials are typically designed in the city of

2551
02:30:55,979 --> 02:30:59,879
Denton with the three lanes each way with the boulevard in

2552
02:30:59,879 --> 02:31:01,000
the middle.

2553
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:07,299
And there would be in some areas they have openings where

2554
02:31:07,299 --> 02:31:10,000
people can turn left.

2555
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:11,000
That hasn't been designed at this point.

2556
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:14,000
Right now it is intended for Sherman to stay the way it is.

2557
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:18,000
I'm not aware of any other improvements that would create

2558
02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:20,000
that median at this time.

2559
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:24,709
Those are just the standards that Denton has for primary

2560
02:31:24,709 --> 02:31:27,000
arterials eventually.

2561
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:30,000
So if that's the standard, that means it will happen.

2562
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:32,149
I wonder if you'll come back to the mic so we can hear on

2563
02:31:32,149 --> 02:31:33,000
the live stream.

2564
02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:36,870
My concern was if that's a standard, that will happen

2565
02:31:36,870 --> 02:31:38,000
eventually.

2566
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:41,000
Having moved from South Denton because of all the traffic,

2567
02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:45,000
I lived at the intersection of Teasley and Indian Ridge,

2568
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:49,540
which we had that lovely crossing across there to try to go

2569
02:31:49,540 --> 02:31:53,000
to Sam Houston one way or it's not lovely.

2570
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:56,159
So if we're going to add all of these extra people, I'm

2571
02:31:56,159 --> 02:31:58,000
really afraid for traffic.

2572
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:00,000
That is my concern.

2573
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:01,000
I appreciate you sharing your concern.

2574
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:05,000
And one thing I'll say is Sherman is a tech stock road.

2575
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:08,360
So that is not a city of Denton road and I won't confirm

2576
02:32:08,360 --> 02:32:09,000
that.

2577
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:10,000
So that's a tech stock road.

2578
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:14,030
That's not something the city of Denton has control over at

2579
02:32:14,030 --> 02:32:15,000
this time.

2580
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:18,000
The Texas Department of Transportation.

2581
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:20,000
No, I'm with you on that one.

2582
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:24,010
But as far as just having all of these businesses and/or

2583
02:32:24,010 --> 02:32:28,399
apartments, if the city doesn't have control over Sherman

2584
02:32:28,399 --> 02:32:29,000
Drive.

2585
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:30,000
That's correct.

2586
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:34,719
Then I guess I'm confused as to why everything has to go on

2587
02:32:34,719 --> 02:32:41,479
to Poinsettia or Point Cisha as we just had our street sign

2588
02:32:41,479 --> 02:32:43,000
fixed.

2589
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:44,000
Thank you for your comments.

2590
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:50,000
Okay.

2591
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:51,000
Hello, how are you doing?

2592
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:52,000
My name is Jorge Espinosa.

2593
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:54,000
I live in 1304 Mountain Boulevard.

2594
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,000
It's right there across the street.

2595
02:32:57,000 --> 02:33:03,000
My concern is totally opposed to the apartments.

2596
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:06,000
And I just have a question for you guys.

2597
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:11,500
You have us having trouble in the last agenda accommodating

2598
02:33:11,500 --> 02:33:15,000
33 houses on 7.14 acres.

2599
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:20,000
And these builders try to build 150 units on 7.5.

2600
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:22,000
Just think about the traffic.

2601
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:27,290
Think about the trouble that they're just going to be

2602
02:33:27,290 --> 02:33:31,000
creating on the same area of land.

2603
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:36,010
So that's basically my point, you know, and the question

2604
02:33:36,010 --> 02:33:37,000
for you.

2605
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:38,000
Okay.

2606
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,000
So just consider what we have.

2607
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:43,000
We have a really nice neighborhood.

2608
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:46,000
And we call home that neighborhood.

2609
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:47,000
Thank you.

2610
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:50,000
Thank you for coming out and your comments.

2611
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:53,000
I've got a bunch of cards I'll go through.

2612
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:57,120
I have a question for staff before we start going through

2613
02:33:57,120 --> 02:34:00,850
the cards that I'm going to ask them up and then I will

2614
02:34:00,850 --> 02:34:02,000
come back.

2615
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:07,690
I noticed on the comparison on the zoning, would you mind

2616
02:34:07,690 --> 02:34:10,530
as I go through the cards, would you look up, it has a

2617
02:34:10,530 --> 02:34:15,639
maximum density on the NRMU of 30, but it's blank on the CM

2618
02:34:15,639 --> 02:34:16,000
G.

2619
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:19,790
If you could do some research, and I'll call you back after

2620
02:34:19,790 --> 02:34:23,489
I get through all these, and give us what is allowed in CMG

2621
02:34:23,489 --> 02:34:28,000
for multifamily, density wise, so we have some comparison.

2622
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:30,000
Ma'am, thank you for your patience.

2623
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:37,000
Would you like to come and address our commission?

2624
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:39,000
One of the things that concerns me --

2625
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:41,000
Can you give us your name and address, please?

2626
02:34:41,000 --> 02:34:45,309
I'm Betty Marshall, 1906 Point Center Boulevard, Denton,

2627
02:34:45,309 --> 02:34:47,000
Texas, 76208.

2628
02:34:47,000 --> 02:34:49,000
Thank you, ma'am.

2629
02:34:49,000 --> 02:34:51,000
I walk every morning.

2630
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:55,000
And probably about 7 o'clock or so in the morning.

2631
02:34:55,000 --> 02:34:59,329
I mean, I also walk at 4 in the morning, but then my second

2632
02:34:59,329 --> 02:35:02,000
walk is at about 7, 6 to 7.

2633
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:11,069
And cars that are going east on Loop 288, there is such a

2634
02:35:11,069 --> 02:35:17,270
backup that they come up, they make a left, a turn, they go

2635
02:35:17,270 --> 02:35:21,000
up to Point Center, and then they pull into Point Center

2636
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:28,000
and go back so they can continue going east.

2637
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:33,000
And it's going to be 150 times worse.

2638
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:38,000
And I don't understand why there isn't some traffic lights.

2639
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:42,950
And is that possible, to get a traffic light at 288 in

2640
02:35:42,950 --> 02:35:44,000
Sherman?

2641
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:50,000
And also, we would need one on Point Center Boulevard.

2642
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,559
Well, to address your question, I know they're doing a

2643
02:35:52,559 --> 02:35:55,229
traffic impact study, and that will determine if there's

2644
02:35:55,229 --> 02:35:57,790
traffic lights that are going to be required or not and at

2645
02:35:57,790 --> 02:35:59,000
what time they would.

2646
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:01,989
And if the traffic gets to a point, it will then trigger

2647
02:36:01,989 --> 02:36:05,000
and there will be a requirement for traffic lights.

2648
02:36:05,000 --> 02:36:08,110
And I just don't know without the traffic impact analysis

2649
02:36:08,110 --> 02:36:11,180
yet being completed at what threshold that's going to be

2650
02:36:11,180 --> 02:36:12,000
required.

2651
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:14,809
But city staff is very good at staying on top of those

2652
02:36:14,809 --> 02:36:17,389
things and making sure that it complies with the

2653
02:36:17,389 --> 02:36:20,709
development code and the state requirements for traffic and

2654
02:36:20,709 --> 02:36:23,000
traffic counts and traffic lights.

2655
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:27,139
That's been going on for a long time now, these cars coming

2656
02:36:27,139 --> 02:36:30,959
in and pulling in and then making a U-turn in the middle of

2657
02:36:30,959 --> 02:36:34,000
, you know, the first part of Point Center.

2658
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:35,000
Thank you.

2659
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:37,340
Thank you, ma'am, for taking the time to come out and

2660
02:36:37,340 --> 02:36:39,000
address the Commission tonight.

2661
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:42,000
I have one other card that was turned in.

2662
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:46,000
Michael Cohen in opposition?

2663
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:49,000
Spoke. Thank you.

2664
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:53,489
Again, this is a public hearing. Anyone else who would like

2665
02:36:53,489 --> 02:36:59,000
to come up and speak on this item, please come forward.

2666
02:36:59,000 --> 02:37:02,000
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2667
02:37:02,000 --> 02:37:05,920
I'm getting a little cold too, so excuse me. Lance Van Zand

2668
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:09,739
t, 512 West Hickory here in Denton. I represent the

2669
02:37:09,739 --> 02:37:12,780
applicant and I'm here to speak in favor of the development

2670
02:37:12,780 --> 02:37:13,000
.

2671
02:37:13,000 --> 02:37:15,620
Just wanted to, a couple of questions I'd written down that

2672
02:37:15,620 --> 02:37:17,000
I wanted to try to address.

2673
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:20,799
There was a number given out about approximately 400 cars

2674
02:37:20,799 --> 02:37:26,209
coming in and out of the development were actually only for

2675
02:37:26,209 --> 02:37:30,000
our site plan or only indicating 268 parking spaces,

2676
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:32,899
which is a bit in excess of what's required. And of course

2677
02:37:32,899 --> 02:37:36,760
there's a limit to how many the code will allow you to have

2678
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:39,569
, so they don't want you building more parking spaces than

2679
02:37:39,569 --> 02:37:40,000
you need.

2680
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:43,510
And we haven't done our traffic impact analysis yet, as you

2681
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:47,250
heard, but based on a similar project in Denton done within

2682
02:37:47,250 --> 02:37:50,809
the last couple of years, we just pulled real quickly some

2683
02:37:50,809 --> 02:37:52,000
of those numbers.

2684
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:55,909
We estimate that this development would put at the peak

2685
02:37:55,909 --> 02:38:00,590
hour of traffic somewhere between 80 and 90 cars per hour

2686
02:38:00,590 --> 02:38:02,000
on point setup.

2687
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:05,319
So that's, again, that's an approximate figure. It's not

2688
02:38:05,319 --> 02:38:08,069
even based on this particular project, but it's a similar

2689
02:38:08,069 --> 02:38:11,030
multifamily project in Denton that's been done within the

2690
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:12,000
last couple of years.

2691
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:15,420
So just to give you a ballpark figure. And we will complete

2692
02:38:15,420 --> 02:38:18,780
the traffic impact analysis in the order that these type of

2693
02:38:18,780 --> 02:38:22,000
things are done through the development process.

2694
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:25,420
So we're not by any means putting anything off in doing

2695
02:38:25,420 --> 02:38:26,000
that.

2696
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:29,000
I've got a couple questions for you. Commissioner Beck.

2697
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:32,219
Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Van Zandt, for speaking to

2698
02:38:32,219 --> 02:38:33,000
that issue.

2699
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:38,459
And then, yeah, that's something we want to take a good,

2700
02:38:38,459 --> 02:38:42,510
hard look at when that TIA comes in. Let me ask you

2701
02:38:42,510 --> 02:38:44,700
something that a homeowner brought up here, the concern

2702
02:38:44,700 --> 02:38:46,000
about the height of some of these apartments.

2703
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:48,690
I believe you said you're going to build one, two and three

2704
02:38:48,690 --> 02:38:50,000
story apartment units.

2705
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:51,840
I believe that's correct. I might have to call Mr. Combs up

2706
02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:53,000
on that one, but I believe that's correct.

2707
02:38:53,000 --> 02:38:56,079
Okay. Is there anything set in concrete now where those are

2708
02:38:56,079 --> 02:38:57,000
going to be placed?

2709
02:38:57,000 --> 02:39:01,040
In other words, is there a possibility that we can get the

2710
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:04,840
one and two stories closer to point set up and the three

2711
02:39:04,840 --> 02:39:08,989
stories further back towards Luke 288? Is that a

2712
02:39:08,989 --> 02:39:11,000
possibility?

2713
02:39:11,000 --> 02:39:13,000
If you'll give your name just so we can keep track on our

2714
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:13,000
income.

2715
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:16,159
My name is Mark Combs with Palladium. To answer your

2716
02:39:16,159 --> 02:39:19,479
question, so the funding that we went for and that we put

2717
02:39:19,479 --> 02:39:22,860
in front of City Council, we are locked in in that funding

2718
02:39:22,860 --> 02:39:26,030
with our number of buildings and our unit count and our

2719
02:39:26,030 --> 02:39:28,000
unit mix. We can't change any of these things.

2720
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:29,969
So we have three story buildings. Now, what we can do, the

2721
02:39:29,969 --> 02:39:32,350
site plan that you've seen is a concept site plan. We can

2722
02:39:32,350 --> 02:39:34,000
move some things around.

2723
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:37,889
I do think there's some code requirements that we have to

2724
02:39:37,889 --> 02:39:41,940
abide by, but we are fine moving things to help mitigate as

2725
02:39:41,940 --> 02:39:44,000
much as code will allow.

2726
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:47,000
Okay.

2727
02:39:47,000 --> 02:39:53,000
Maybe I can ask Julie a question regarding that.

2728
02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:55,000
If I may, Chair.

2729
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:56,000
Sure.

2730
02:39:56,000 --> 02:40:00,010
What is, this is where I always get lost on this, but isn't

2731
02:40:00,010 --> 02:40:03,729
there a height requirement, the closer you are to the

2732
02:40:03,729 --> 02:40:08,739
property line, that it recedes in the height or recedes in

2733
02:40:08,739 --> 02:40:12,000
height as it gets close to the property line?

2734
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:15,520
For multifamily, we have a residential proximity slope in

2735
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:17,000
some Chapter 13.

2736
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:21,340
Which requires that if a building exceeds 40 feet in height

2737
02:40:21,340 --> 02:40:25,329
, that it is stair-stepped back from that residential set

2738
02:40:25,329 --> 02:40:26,000
back.

2739
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:29,989
So anything over 40 feet would have to step back at an

2740
02:40:29,989 --> 02:40:32,000
angle of 35 degrees.

2741
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:36,719
So 40 feet, though, could be placed there. That's three

2742
02:40:36,719 --> 02:40:38,000
stories, isn't it?

2743
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:41,000
Pretty much. Close. Yeah.

2744
02:40:41,000 --> 02:40:44,000
If you're doing eight, nine foot ceilings here.

2745
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:47,000
Okay. Okay. Thank you.

2746
02:40:47,000 --> 02:40:49,000
Thank you, Mr. Van Zandt.

2747
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:51,690
Mr. Van Zandt, I had one other question. Commissioner San

2748
02:40:51,690 --> 02:40:52,000
chez?

2749
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:54,000
Yes, I had a question.

2750
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:58,239
One of the requests or complaints is that you all haven't

2751
02:40:58,239 --> 02:41:00,000
met with the residents.

2752
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,989
Before you do the, get into the more site, doing the site

2753
02:41:02,989 --> 02:41:05,889
plan and all that, is that, is there a possibility of you

2754
02:41:05,889 --> 02:41:09,229
all meeting with them and making them feel more at ease and

2755
02:41:09,229 --> 02:41:12,790
explaining what you're actually going to do and what, and

2756
02:41:12,790 --> 02:41:13,000
see,

2757
02:41:13,000 --> 02:41:16,000
and get their opinion as to what you can do?

2758
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,690
Yes, we will find a location in the area where we can hold

2759
02:41:18,690 --> 02:41:21,000
a community meeting. Absolutely.

2760
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:22,000
Okay.

2761
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:24,600
And, Mr. Chairman, I'll take just a second. One other good

2762
02:41:24,600 --> 02:41:27,879
point that I wanted to address, I believe that Ms. Herman

2763
02:41:27,879 --> 02:41:33,000
may have made, that we were looking at a nine-acre site,

2764
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:35,549
looking at some of the current allowed uses, and it wouldn

2765
02:41:35,549 --> 02:41:38,000
't be realistic that you put a big box store on nine acres,

2766
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:40,000
which is correct.

2767
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:41,000
Any speaker?

2768
02:41:41,000 --> 02:41:43,760
The point had been made that it was not realistic to put a

2769
02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:47,000
big box store on a nine or 10-acre site, which is correct.

2770
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:50,430
But in fact, the owner that we're purchasing the property

2771
02:41:50,430 --> 02:41:53,000
from has about 20 acres contiguous.

2772
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:56,250
He's dividing a part of that off to sell to us. So the

2773
02:41:56,250 --> 02:41:59,079
current owner has plenty of property, plenty of room to

2774
02:41:59,079 --> 02:42:03,000
build about any type of retail you'd want to build there.

2775
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:06,069
And just final point, which is not necessarily zoning, but

2776
02:42:06,069 --> 02:42:08,989
just more practical concern, is I've been driving to and

2777
02:42:08,989 --> 02:42:12,170
from work every day down Sherman Drive for going on 25

2778
02:42:12,170 --> 02:42:13,000
years now.

2779
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:15,170
So I've sat there and watched those real estate signs,

2780
02:42:15,170 --> 02:42:17,770
weather with age, there on that corner as I've gone back

2781
02:42:17,770 --> 02:42:20,770
and forth before there was a football stadium or an auditor

2782
02:42:20,770 --> 02:42:24,000
ium or anything else in that area.

2783
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:26,690
So you've said, so the city's essentially surrounded that

2784
02:42:26,690 --> 02:42:29,000
area with public infrastructure that taxpayers have been

2785
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:30,000
paying for for years.

2786
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:31,969
And it's essentially a piece of property that for all

2787
02:42:31,969 --> 02:42:34,000
practical purposes is not on the tax rolls today.

2788
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:37,940
It's for very little value. And I don't want to fear that

2789
02:42:37,940 --> 02:42:41,000
the tax assessor may be in the building.

2790
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:43,569
I don't want to make any commitments, but my client will be

2791
02:42:43,569 --> 02:42:46,370
putting probably in excess of $20 million improvements on

2792
02:42:46,370 --> 02:42:47,000
the ground.

2793
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:49,819
We'll be paying approximately half a million dollars in

2794
02:42:49,819 --> 02:42:52,819
wastewater and water impact fees in addition to permit fees

2795
02:42:52,819 --> 02:42:55,000
and the other things we'll be building.

2796
02:42:55,000 --> 02:42:57,989
So we are putting some value on the ground that's that an

2797
02:42:57,989 --> 02:43:01,299
area that's laid dormant there for many, many years, as you

2798
02:43:01,299 --> 02:43:02,000
all know.

2799
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:06,329
So thank you. That's all I have. Thank you for coming out

2800
02:43:06,329 --> 02:43:08,000
this evening.

2801
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,500
This is a public hearing. Is there anyone else who would

2802
02:43:10,500 --> 02:43:12,000
like to speak on this item?

2803
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:16,350
And I will go through the cards if not. If you've already

2804
02:43:16,350 --> 02:43:18,000
spoke, if we've already spoken, I'm sorry.

2805
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:27,000
We have one opportunity in four minutes.

2806
02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:31,049
My name is Denise Tomor. I live at 1614 Point Settas. So

2807
02:43:31,049 --> 02:43:32,719
again, right across the street from me, I just have a

2808
02:43:32,719 --> 02:43:36,000
couple of questions just for clarification purposes.

2809
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:39,700
And one of the votes tonight is on a zoning change. Correct

2810
02:43:39,700 --> 02:43:40,000
.

2811
02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:44,000
And that is a separate vote from the development. Correct.

2812
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:47,159
We have two votes. We have one on the zoning and then one

2813
02:43:47,159 --> 02:43:48,000
on the next.

2814
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:53,750
The property in question, the low income usage, is that

2815
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:59,000
specific to the development in question?

2816
02:43:59,000 --> 02:44:01,639
My understanding is that is correct that some of that they

2817
02:44:01,639 --> 02:44:03,000
went before city council.

2818
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:07,139
That's not specific to the piece of property per se, just

2819
02:44:07,139 --> 02:44:10,000
the development in question.

2820
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:13,159
That would be my understanding unless staff would want to

2821
02:44:13,159 --> 02:44:15,000
make another clarification.

2822
02:44:15,000 --> 02:44:19,000
It's associated with the SUP application, the specific use.

2823
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:22,799
The specific use of the palladium. So if something else was

2824
02:44:22,799 --> 02:44:27,360
to go in there, it might not be a low income project. Is

2825
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:30,000
that correct?

2826
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:35,000
I can't speculate. I'd ask legal to weigh in.

2827
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:42,280
So what we're kind of going with this is veering away from

2828
02:44:42,280 --> 02:44:45,000
the zoning issue.

2829
02:44:45,000 --> 02:44:49,389
Would recommend that this commission focus on the zoning

2830
02:44:49,389 --> 02:44:51,000
matter before it.

2831
02:44:51,000 --> 02:44:58,329
What tenants occupy that lot shouldn't be considered for

2832
02:44:58,329 --> 02:45:01,000
zoning purposes.

2833
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:05,000
Right. Again, as I'm saying, there's two different issues.

2834
02:45:05,000 --> 02:45:07,520
We have the zoning issue and then we have the proposed pall

2835
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:08,000
adium.

2836
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:13,280
My question is the low income stipulation that is specific

2837
02:45:13,280 --> 02:45:16,000
to the palladium project.

2838
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:21,000
There's no stipulation attached to any zoning request.

2839
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:22,000
Okay.

2840
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:26,000
It's just the proposed project that's going to --

2841
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:28,000
It's just a lot confusing.

2842
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:30,000
That's what the developer is proposing to the developer.

2843
02:45:30,000 --> 02:45:37,000
So I'm just trying to get clarification on that.

2844
02:45:37,000 --> 02:45:40,170
If I could ask the applicant to come forward and explain, I

2845
02:45:40,170 --> 02:45:42,809
know what that distinction is, but if you could explain

2846
02:45:42,809 --> 02:45:47,000
what that resolution was about, that might put some light

2847
02:45:47,000 --> 02:45:47,000
on it.

2848
02:45:47,000 --> 02:45:50,000
Exactly. This is a land use discussion.

2849
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:54,920
So the NRMU is a zoning and the SUP is a land use that

2850
02:45:54,920 --> 02:46:00,000
specifically allows this type of development.

2851
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:02,000
That's what this is about. What we went in front of City

2852
02:46:02,000 --> 02:46:04,180
Council was our development, who were serving what type of

2853
02:46:04,180 --> 02:46:05,000
development is.

2854
02:46:05,000 --> 02:46:07,000
That was what City Council --

2855
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:10,180
Can you expand on the purpose for that? It's my

2856
02:46:10,180 --> 02:46:14,000
understanding that there are -- it's a competitive process.

2857
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:17,420
One of the requirements for you to be even considered for

2858
02:46:17,420 --> 02:46:21,000
this program is that City Council would have to approve --

2859
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:22,000
not approve, but --

2860
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:23,000
Support.

2861
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:24,000
Support it.

2862
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:26,360
And so it was a resolution of support for that type of

2863
02:46:26,360 --> 02:46:27,000
project.

2864
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:29,000
It wasn't attached to the zoning request.

2865
02:46:29,000 --> 02:46:30,620
It was not attached to the zoning. It was attached to the

2866
02:46:30,620 --> 02:46:31,000
funding.

2867
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:34,290
Could you expand maybe the process that you go through in

2868
02:46:34,290 --> 02:46:37,000
one of these projects, just to clear up any --

2869
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:38,000
Sure.

2870
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:42,899
So what we do is there's these housing tax credits that are

2871
02:46:42,899 --> 02:46:47,000
IRS makes available through the state of Texas.

2872
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:49,000
And we go apply for these tax credits.

2873
02:46:49,000 --> 02:46:50,000
It's a competitive process.

2874
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:55,260
And you get -- you're able to apply for these and get this

2875
02:46:55,260 --> 02:47:00,000
funding if you get support from City Council.

2876
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:03,219
And there's just certain boxes that you check for this

2877
02:47:03,219 --> 02:47:04,000
funding.

2878
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:05,000
It's a point system, isn't it?

2879
02:47:05,000 --> 02:47:07,000
That's right. It's a point system.

2880
02:47:07,000 --> 02:47:09,610
And so it has to do with things like dispersion of

2881
02:47:09,610 --> 02:47:11,000
affordable housing.

2882
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:13,629
You know, right now in Denton, most of the affordable

2883
02:47:13,629 --> 02:47:16,000
housing is on the southeast side of Denton.

2884
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:19,290
And so this is a census tract, an area of town where there

2885
02:47:19,290 --> 02:47:21,000
is no affordable housing.

2886
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:24,219
So the state of Texas looked at this area and said this is

2887
02:47:24,219 --> 02:47:27,479
a high opportunity area because there is no affordable

2888
02:47:27,479 --> 02:47:29,000
housing in this area.

2889
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:31,350
And so those are some of the boxes that we're able to check

2890
02:47:31,350 --> 02:47:33,000
to be competitive in this process.

2891
02:47:33,000 --> 02:47:35,000
And that's what we brought in front of City Council.

2892
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:37,690
Now, when we look for sites, we also look for sites that

2893
02:47:37,690 --> 02:47:39,000
are entitled and zoned.

2894
02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:41,000
We saw this site with CMG.

2895
02:47:41,000 --> 02:47:44,000
It already allowed multifamily.

2896
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:46,420
And so that's why we started pursuing this site and have

2897
02:47:46,420 --> 02:47:49,000
been working on it since February with that understanding

2898
02:47:49,000 --> 02:47:50,000
that allows multifamily.

2899
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:54,180
And it's only been very recently that this L6, we decided,

2900
02:47:54,180 --> 02:47:58,129
you know, with staff's recommendation, hey, let's go

2901
02:47:58,129 --> 02:48:03,000
basically remove this L6 because that puts the land use --

2902
02:48:03,000 --> 02:48:08,649
I think what the question was is has the City Council voted

2903
02:48:08,649 --> 02:48:13,190
on the zoning itself, but you're saying that that was just

2904
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:16,000
a resolution supporting the development.

2905
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:20,000
This is the first time that we're discussing the zoning.

2906
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:22,000
Correct.

2907
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:23,000
Does that answer your question?

2908
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:25,000
Yes.

2909
02:48:25,000 --> 02:48:26,000
Okay.

2910
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:28,000
This is a public hearing.

2911
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:30,700
Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come

2912
02:48:30,700 --> 02:48:32,000
forward at this time.

2913
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:35,280
If you've spoken on the item and haven't submitted a card,

2914
02:48:35,280 --> 02:48:37,000
please do so before you go.

2915
02:48:37,000 --> 02:48:39,000
I'm going to just go through these.

2916
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:45,360
I have a card from Ann Keeling, 1308 Martin, and it is

2917
02:48:45,360 --> 02:48:47,000
opposition.

2918
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:52,000
Patrick Keeling, same address, opposition.

2919
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:59,959
Joyce and Lutizer Espinoza, 1304 Martin Boulevard,

2920
02:48:59,959 --> 02:49:02,000
opposition.

2921
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:08,000
Martha Cahill, 2106 Poinsettia, opposition.

2922
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:15,000
Lana Knox, 2102 Poinsettia, opposition.

2923
02:49:15,000 --> 02:49:20,000
Martha Davis, 3915 Teal, opposition.

2924
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:27,000
Nancy Martin, 2002 Poinsettia, opposition.

2925
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:31,000
Nancy Martin, opposition.

2926
02:49:31,000 --> 02:49:38,000
Lana Knox, 2102 Poinsettia, opposition.

2927
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:41,350
I think some of these may be duplicates, 5C and 5D, but I

2928
02:49:41,350 --> 02:49:43,000
will read them in anyway.

2929
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:48,000
Martha Hill, 2106 Poinsettia, opposition.

2930
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:54,000
James Wilder, 3903 Teal, opposition.

2931
02:49:54,000 --> 02:50:00,000
Betty Powell, 2101 Poinsettia, opposition.

2932
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:07,000
Katherine Warbach, 1918 Poinsettia, opposition.

2933
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:13,000
Dina McCleskey, 1618 Poinsettia, opposition.

2934
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:19,000
Dina Rogers, 2202 Poinsettia, opposition.

2935
02:50:19,000 --> 02:50:25,000
Kay Standifer, 1710 Poinsettia, opposition.

2936
02:50:25,000 --> 02:50:30,000
Kathy Smith, 3923 Teal, opposition.

2937
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:32,000
And those are all the cards I have.

2938
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:34,000
Again, this is still a public hearing, still open.

2939
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:37,340
If there's anyone else who would like to come before us and

2940
02:50:37,340 --> 02:50:42,000
speak on this item, please do so at this time.

2941
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:46,000
I just wanted to go ahead.

2942
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:48,209
I'm sorry, make a clarification because I know there's a

2943
02:50:48,209 --> 02:50:51,000
lot of discussion regarding what's permitted under CMG,

2944
02:50:51,000 --> 02:50:53,000
what's permitted under NRMU.

2945
02:50:53,000 --> 02:50:55,989
Under the existing CMG, just to sort of put it in

2946
02:50:55,989 --> 02:51:00,729
perspective, if they were to add commercial on the ground

2947
02:51:00,729 --> 02:51:02,000
floor of their development,

2948
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:07,000
it could push it up to six stories.

2949
02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:12,200
If they did that, we would not be here tonight. That would

2950
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:13,000
be permitted under the existing zone.

2951
02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:16,000
So as long as they did commercial on that ground floor,

2952
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:19,000
again, that would not require a specific use permit.

2953
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:23,000
And so I just wanted to make sure everyone understood that.

2954
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:27,110
So they could go to a height of 65 feet, whether it's CMG

2955
02:51:27,110 --> 02:51:28,000
or NRMU.

2956
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:30,350
So I just wanted to make sure that was clear because I know

2957
02:51:30,350 --> 02:51:32,799
there's been a lot of back and forth about what's permitted

2958
02:51:32,799 --> 02:51:34,000
, what's not permitted.

2959
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:43,000
Thank you.

2960
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:45,000
Again, this is a public hearing.

2961
02:51:45,000 --> 02:51:48,889
Anyone else who would like to speak on this item before I

2962
02:51:48,889 --> 02:51:51,000
close the public hearing?

2963
02:51:51,000 --> 02:51:53,000
Anyone else?

2964
02:51:53,000 --> 02:51:56,739
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and I will

2965
02:51:56,739 --> 02:52:00,879
call on Julie on a question answered and then we'll get

2966
02:52:00,879 --> 02:52:03,000
started on discussion.

2967
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:07,799
Did you have, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but I

2968
02:52:07,799 --> 02:52:09,000
did.

2969
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:14,000
There is no maximum density for multifamily in CMG.

2970
02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:18,549
So any density is permitted as long as they fit within the

2971
02:52:18,549 --> 02:52:21,000
bulk and dimensional requirements in the zoning district.

2972
02:52:21,000 --> 02:52:23,000
Is there a size requirement?

2973
02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:24,000
For?

2974
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:25,000
The unit?

2975
02:52:25,000 --> 02:52:26,000
Yes.

2976
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:35,000
Minimum 500 square feet.

2977
02:52:35,000 --> 02:52:36,000
Okay.

2978
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:39,809
So with that, they're unlimited, essentially, unless they

2979
02:52:39,809 --> 02:52:43,430
're 500 square foot units, there's not a limit of the number

2980
02:52:43,430 --> 02:52:44,000
of units.

2981
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:46,049
As long as they could park it and it stayed within that

2982
02:52:46,049 --> 02:52:47,000
building envelope.

2983
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:56,430
Okay. So again, this commission's faced with a choice of

2984
02:52:56,430 --> 02:52:56,959
what's permitted, which is much higher density, much higher

2985
02:52:56,959 --> 02:52:58,000
use by right,

2986
02:52:58,000 --> 02:53:01,739
versus taking an opportunity that I know is not popular by

2987
02:53:01,739 --> 02:53:06,000
the neighborhood and essentially down zoning that property

2988
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:09,000
with putting limitations as far as density

2989
02:53:09,000 --> 02:53:13,549
and some of the other requirements that are part of an NRMU

2990
02:53:13,549 --> 02:53:17,000
versus a CMG and what else could go into CMG.

2991
02:53:17,000 --> 02:53:19,670
And that's really the choices that this commission has

2992
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:22,319
legally by right for this property based on the current

2993
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:23,000
zoning.

2994
02:53:23,000 --> 02:53:24,000
Yes, sir.

2995
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:25,000
Okay.

2996
02:53:25,000 --> 02:53:26,000
Thanks for the clarification.

2997
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,000
Hang on, Julie.

2998
02:53:28,000 --> 02:53:29,000
Commissioner Beck.

2999
02:53:29,000 --> 02:53:30,000
Thank you, Chair.

3000
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:33,000
Did have a question for staff since you're here.

3001
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:40,000
One of the, again, one of the residents is here suggested

3002
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:43,549
or hoped for that maybe we could build townhouses on the

3003
02:53:43,549 --> 02:53:45,000
other side of that.

3004
02:53:45,000 --> 02:53:55,889
My question to you is, does either NRMU or CMG allow town

3005
02:53:55,889 --> 02:54:03,000
home duplexes, anything like that?

3006
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:16,250
NRMU permits townhomes with a limitation that they cannot

3007
02:54:16,250 --> 02:54:25,000
exceed 12 dwelling units per acre.

3008
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:34,739
And CM, I'm sorry, CMG does not permit townhomes, single

3009
02:54:34,739 --> 02:54:37,000
family homes or duplexes.

3010
02:54:37,000 --> 02:54:40,739
It permits dwellings above businesses, live and live work

3011
02:54:40,739 --> 02:54:44,000
units and multifamily with the L6 and the L4.

3012
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:45,000
Okay.

3013
02:54:45,000 --> 02:54:49,450
So by leaving the zone status as is, we can't build townh

3014
02:54:49,450 --> 02:54:51,000
omes over there.

3015
02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:52,000
No, sir.

3016
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:54,899
So we'd have to change it to NRMU for any prospect of doing

3017
02:54:54,899 --> 02:54:56,000
that, correct?

3018
02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:57,000
Yes, sir.

3019
02:54:57,000 --> 02:54:58,000
Okay.

3020
02:54:58,000 --> 02:54:59,000
Thank you.

3021
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:00,000
Sure.

3022
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:03,000
Okay.

3023
02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:04,000
Commissioner Elms.

3024
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:05,000
Thank you, Chair.

3025
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:09,280
I am curious if we have a percentage after the cards you

3026
02:55:09,280 --> 02:55:10,000
read.

3027
02:55:10,000 --> 02:55:11,000
If we have a what?

3028
02:55:11,000 --> 02:55:14,000
If we have a percentage of opposition at this point.

3029
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:17,360
There were an awful lot of cards read on points set at this

3030
02:55:17,360 --> 02:55:18,000
point.

3031
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:20,000
So is anyone keeping track of that?

3032
02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:22,819
Well, the percentage is based upon the land area and not

3033
02:55:22,819 --> 02:55:25,000
necessarily the number of homeowners.

3034
02:55:25,000 --> 02:55:27,000
I don't have that information with us.

3035
02:55:27,000 --> 02:55:30,409
That is something that we will calculate prior to city

3036
02:55:30,409 --> 02:55:31,000
council.

3037
02:55:31,000 --> 02:55:37,370
And if it does exceed that 20%, then it would require a

3038
02:55:37,370 --> 02:55:40,000
supermajority vote.

3039
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:41,000
We've closed the public hearing.

3040
02:55:41,000 --> 02:55:43,000
So I'm going to open the floor here now.

3041
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:45,760
Appreciate you providing that information for us to have

3042
02:55:45,760 --> 02:55:47,000
further discussion.

3043
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:48,000
Commissioner Beck.

3044
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:50,409
You know, just like to make some comments in light of

3045
02:55:50,409 --> 02:55:52,000
everything that's been said here.

3046
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:53,000
Maybe I'll make a motion later.

3047
02:55:53,000 --> 02:55:54,000
I'm not sure yet right now.

3048
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:57,639
But what I'm seeing in the hearing and what I'm empathizing

3049
02:55:57,639 --> 02:56:03,000
with is a group of people who have lived in an area that is

3050
02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:04,000
, in their opinion,

3051
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:07,229
experiencing some problems with traffic now and they're

3052
02:56:07,229 --> 02:56:10,000
concerned about it increasing and getting worse,

3053
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:15,389
that whatever happens there and the feeling seems to be the

3054
02:56:15,389 --> 02:56:20,360
departments are going to be more threatening than

3055
02:56:20,360 --> 02:56:23,000
commercial property,

3056
02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:26,000
that lifestyle over there is going to be disrupted.

3057
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:28,000
It's going to change.

3058
02:56:28,000 --> 02:56:33,219
And the thing is the dilemma we're facing here is whether

3059
02:56:33,219 --> 02:56:35,000
it be CMG or NRMU,

3060
02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:39,450
there is going to be some development there in that area is

3061
02:56:39,450 --> 02:56:43,000
going to change and thus the lifestyle is.

3062
02:56:43,000 --> 02:56:45,000
I think we've tried to make a point here.

3063
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:52,459
At least I'm seeing that NRMU is the least offensive zoning

3064
02:56:52,459 --> 02:56:58,000
as opposed to CMG, which is there now.

3065
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:03,000
And by supporting a zone change request to NRMU ameliorates

3066
02:57:03,000 --> 02:57:08,000
a lot of problems that you'd be facing if we remained CMG.

3067
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:10,000
That's a likely area for growth.

3068
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:14,309
I think somebody from the city commented earlier today that

3069
02:57:14,309 --> 02:57:18,000
North Denton is finally starting to take off on growth.

3070
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:19,000
Everything's happened south.

3071
02:57:19,000 --> 02:57:21,000
So it's all coming this way now.

3072
02:57:21,000 --> 02:57:23,780
So come hell or high water, we're going to see some changes

3073
02:57:23,780 --> 02:57:25,000
here and some of them we're not going to like.

3074
02:57:25,000 --> 02:57:27,000
And I agree.

3075
02:57:27,000 --> 02:57:29,000
I've seen a lot of it too.

3076
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:33,629
Where I live up there, it was an empty lot where there's a

3077
02:57:33,629 --> 02:57:36,000
Pentecostal church now.

3078
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:38,000
Before that was just all empty in there.

3079
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:40,020
And they wanted to build some apartments in there and

3080
02:57:40,020 --> 02:57:42,489
enough people went over and protested and they backed down

3081
02:57:42,489 --> 02:57:43,000
on that.

3082
02:57:43,000 --> 02:57:45,000
We've got a housing development in there.

3083
02:57:45,000 --> 02:57:52,110
So I understand the fear and the concern of apartments, of

3084
02:57:52,110 --> 02:57:54,540
any kind of development coming in and changing what you

3085
02:57:54,540 --> 02:57:55,000
have.

3086
02:57:55,000 --> 02:58:00,000
But the fact of the matter is we can't rezone it.

3087
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:01,930
Pretty sure that just isn't something that's going to

3088
02:58:01,930 --> 02:58:03,000
happen automatically.

3089
02:58:03,000 --> 02:58:06,010
That has to happen at the city council level if I can get a

3090
02:58:06,010 --> 02:58:07,000
nod or a shake.

3091
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:09,000
Yeah.

3092
02:58:09,000 --> 02:58:11,000
So we won't go into that.

3093
02:58:11,000 --> 02:58:14,000
So we're stuck with looking at CMG and NRMU.

3094
02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:20,149
And it seems to me that our choices are if we're going to

3095
02:58:20,149 --> 02:58:25,909
help the area residents that we want to do the least

3096
02:58:25,909 --> 02:58:28,000
restrictive.

3097
02:58:28,000 --> 02:58:30,000
And that would be NRMU.

3098
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:33,610
So I'll leave it there, see if there's any more comment and

3099
02:58:33,610 --> 02:58:36,000
maybe I'll come back with a motion.

3100
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:38,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

3101
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:43,000
Yeah, one of the -- I think there's two questions here.

3102
02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:46,799
I think most of you are opposed to having the apartment

3103
02:58:46,799 --> 02:58:49,000
complex across the street.

3104
02:58:49,000 --> 02:58:54,059
But I think one of the things that you weren't aware of is

3105
02:58:54,059 --> 02:59:00,319
that what's allowed under the different categories under NR

3106
02:59:00,319 --> 02:59:03,000
MU and CMG.

3107
02:59:03,000 --> 02:59:08,000
And I think that now that that information has come down,

3108
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,000
has been exposed,

3109
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:13,049
you're beginning to understand that it's not just -- it's

3110
02:59:13,049 --> 02:59:15,000
just not the apartment complex.

3111
02:59:15,000 --> 02:59:17,000
There's two issues here.

3112
02:59:17,000 --> 02:59:20,559
And if you don't -- and that's why one of the questions I

3113
02:59:20,559 --> 02:59:24,000
ask is are they willing to meet with you all in the future

3114
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:29,000
to try to mitigate some of your concerns?

3115
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:31,000
And maybe it's just my opinion.

3116
02:59:31,000 --> 02:59:34,739
I think most of you would be willing to have this changed

3117
02:59:34,739 --> 02:59:38,000
to NRMU rather than have the other category.

3118
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:43,219
Now it's a matter of being able to -- how can you mitigate

3119
02:59:43,219 --> 02:59:45,000
your concerns?

3120
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:49,500
And I believe that the developers said yes, they're willing

3121
02:59:49,500 --> 02:59:50,000
to meet with you.

3122
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:54,350
And it's something that you all can pursue now is trying to

3123
02:59:54,350 --> 02:59:59,000
get some mitigation there that will make you feel at ease.

3124
02:59:59,000 --> 03:00:04,100
As far as traffic, I think here in Denton, traffic is bad

3125
03:00:04,100 --> 03:00:06,000
all over the city.

3126
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:09,209
I mean, I remember 20 years ago you could go from one side

3127
03:00:09,209 --> 03:00:11,000
of town to the other in no time.

3128
03:00:11,000 --> 03:00:12,000
Now it takes you forever.

3129
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:15,000
It's just a matter of the beast is growing.

3130
03:00:15,000 --> 03:00:18,340
And sometimes we just have to put up with it and hope that

3131
03:00:18,340 --> 03:00:21,870
the city continues to develop the roads as the population

3132
03:00:21,870 --> 03:00:23,000
gets larger.

3133
03:00:23,000 --> 03:00:27,000
But our concern here is basically the zoning.

3134
03:00:27,000 --> 03:00:30,870
And I think if you really come down to it, I really believe

3135
03:00:30,870 --> 03:00:34,489
-- this is my belief -- that you would rather -- and maybe

3136
03:00:34,489 --> 03:00:35,000
I'm wrong,

3137
03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:42,079
but I'm just throwing this out -- I do believe the NRMU

3138
03:00:42,079 --> 03:00:48,000
serves you better than the other zoning.

3139
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:49,000
Commissioner Ellis.

3140
03:00:49,000 --> 03:00:50,000
Thank you, Chair.

3141
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:52,000
Yeah, I'm just going to piggyback on that a little bit.

3142
03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:55,979
The NRMU downzoning from what it is currently really does

3143
03:00:55,979 --> 03:00:58,000
offer you some protections.

3144
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:01,920
And it will give you a voice, especially if they've agreed

3145
03:01:01,920 --> 03:01:05,579
to meet with you in their site plan as they move forward

3146
03:01:05,579 --> 03:01:07,000
with the development.

3147
03:01:07,000 --> 03:01:10,000
As well, someone had brought up earlier what the PNZ is.

3148
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:13,000
And PNZ is a recommending body to city council.

3149
03:01:13,000 --> 03:01:16,000
So you will have another public hearing at city council.

3150
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:20,309
If you do want to speak again, they will vote on the issue

3151
03:01:20,309 --> 03:01:21,000
next.

3152
03:01:21,000 --> 03:01:24,000
We vote on it as a recommending body to them.

3153
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:26,000
That's what our role is in this.

3154
03:01:26,000 --> 03:01:29,510
But if you do want to speak again and voice the concerns

3155
03:01:29,510 --> 03:01:33,159
that you did with us, you will have the opportunity when

3156
03:01:33,159 --> 03:01:34,000
city council hears this.

3157
03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:38,000
It will be noticed, just like it was.

3158
03:01:38,000 --> 03:01:42,700
And you'll get that letter again and the date of when that

3159
03:01:42,700 --> 03:01:44,000
meeting is.

3160
03:01:44,000 --> 03:01:48,719
Well, I'm going to -- before I recognize Larry, I'm going

3161
03:01:48,719 --> 03:01:51,000
to be voting in support of this.

3162
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:53,989
And the reason being is for a lot of the reasons I've

3163
03:01:53,989 --> 03:01:58,159
already tried to share with you all this evening is the

3164
03:01:58,159 --> 03:02:01,000
zoning is in place now for multifamily.

3165
03:02:01,000 --> 03:02:03,000
And it doesn't have a limitation on it.

3166
03:02:03,000 --> 03:02:05,000
It's the number of units.

3167
03:02:05,000 --> 03:02:09,000
So the NRMU does put some limitations on it.

3168
03:02:09,000 --> 03:02:11,729
Now, whether they go forward with an apartment community or

3169
03:02:11,729 --> 03:02:15,299
not, once it is rezoned, it is rezoned permanently unless

3170
03:02:15,299 --> 03:02:18,350
someone comes back and makes another application to change

3171
03:02:18,350 --> 03:02:19,000
the zoning.

3172
03:02:19,000 --> 03:02:21,989
So if these gentlemen want to move forward and hopefully

3173
03:02:21,989 --> 03:02:25,030
they will determine this project is successful and want to

3174
03:02:25,030 --> 03:02:28,000
move forward, that's what will be built there.

3175
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:31,739
If for some reason they do not, the zoning that's approved

3176
03:02:31,739 --> 03:02:35,579
tonight and then moves on to city council for consideration

3177
03:02:35,579 --> 03:02:37,000
will stay in place.

3178
03:02:37,000 --> 03:02:41,000
So that property will be downzoned from CMG to NRMU.

3179
03:02:41,000 --> 03:02:43,989
And all the things that can go there currently by right,

3180
03:02:43,989 --> 03:02:46,989
doesn't have to come before this commission, that can go

3181
03:02:46,989 --> 03:02:50,399
down and pull a building permit and get started on it, will

3182
03:02:50,399 --> 03:02:54,000
change and it will be brought back to an NRMU.

3183
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:58,139
And if I was in your neighborhood and I was faced with the

3184
03:02:58,139 --> 03:03:02,360
option myself personally of having CMG right across the

3185
03:03:02,360 --> 03:03:07,000
street from me or NRMU, I would take the NRMU personally.

3186
03:03:07,000 --> 03:03:10,870
And because of that and putting myself in your position is

3187
03:03:10,870 --> 03:03:14,579
why I'm going to vote in support of this because I do feel

3188
03:03:14,579 --> 03:03:18,819
like it is a down zone and it's the best case scenario for

3189
03:03:18,819 --> 03:03:22,000
what could go there for your neighborhood.

3190
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:24,000
I know none of you are happy about it.

3191
03:03:24,000 --> 03:03:26,000
I understand it.

3192
03:03:26,000 --> 03:03:30,000
That property has been there vacant for many years.

3193
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:33,389
I remember as a high school kid cutting hay and hauling hay

3194
03:03:33,389 --> 03:03:37,000
on that corner over there and that's been in the 80s.

3195
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:39,000
That's about as far as I'll go on that.

3196
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:42,219
But anyway, it's been a long time and I know you all have

3197
03:03:42,219 --> 03:03:45,719
had a great neighborhood over there and it's very difficult

3198
03:03:45,719 --> 03:03:49,180
for all of us who have grown up in Denton and been here a

3199
03:03:49,180 --> 03:03:54,319
long time and are accustomed to it's a big open field or it

3200
03:03:54,319 --> 03:03:56,000
's a field covered with trees,

3201
03:03:56,000 --> 03:03:58,700
those things are going to change and that's just

3202
03:03:58,700 --> 03:04:02,020
unfortunately a part of the process that we're all going to

3203
03:04:02,020 --> 03:04:05,409
experience as long time residents of Denton that things are

3204
03:04:05,409 --> 03:04:10,579
going to be built out, property owners are going to develop

3205
03:04:10,579 --> 03:04:13,840
those properties that have been around and we may not like

3206
03:04:13,840 --> 03:04:14,000
it.

3207
03:04:14,000 --> 03:04:17,370
But it is going to happen and so there are some inconven

3208
03:04:17,370 --> 03:04:20,659
iences from that but then there are some pluses as the

3209
03:04:20,659 --> 03:04:24,250
revenues and the things that come to our city then provide

3210
03:04:24,250 --> 03:04:28,770
the money to build the infrastructure, to improve the roads

3211
03:04:28,770 --> 03:04:32,329
, traffic signals and all the things that come along with

3212
03:04:32,329 --> 03:04:35,559
that that sometimes we don't consider on this side of it

3213
03:04:35,559 --> 03:04:37,000
and then we look at it on the other.

3214
03:04:37,000 --> 03:04:40,979
For example, for all of us, Razor Ranch and what was over

3215
03:04:40,979 --> 03:04:44,729
there on University Drive before they did all of those

3216
03:04:44,729 --> 03:04:47,000
improvements was a nightmare.

3217
03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:50,200
And thank goodness those guys came in and they widened all

3218
03:04:50,200 --> 03:04:53,299
of that and redid all of that and solved a lot of problems

3219
03:04:53,299 --> 03:04:56,450
over there and that's been a big change over there on that

3220
03:04:56,450 --> 03:04:59,280
side of town that a lot of us go over there and use those

3221
03:04:59,280 --> 03:05:00,000
facilities.

3222
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:03,049
And unfortunately for you all some of those things are

3223
03:05:03,049 --> 03:05:06,370
going to happen in your neighborhood and whether it's this

3224
03:05:06,370 --> 03:05:09,950
project or another one, the corner there at Loop 288 and

3225
03:05:09,950 --> 03:05:13,350
Sherman Drive will have some high intense use there because

3226
03:05:13,350 --> 03:05:16,100
it is too much of a gateway into our city for a lot of

3227
03:05:16,100 --> 03:05:19,000
people that live to the north of us.

3228
03:05:19,000 --> 03:05:22,680
So because of all of those things I'm going to support it.

3229
03:05:22,680 --> 03:05:25,969
I know you all aren't happy about it but I do think it's

3230
03:05:25,969 --> 03:05:29,579
the best scenario for your neighborhood to be able to take

3231
03:05:29,579 --> 03:05:33,000
the opportunity to down zone it from CMG to NRMU.

3232
03:05:33,000 --> 03:05:38,000
With that I'll recognize Commissioner Beck for a motion.

3233
03:05:38,000 --> 03:05:43,010
For a motion just let me say something that's probably not

3234
03:05:43,010 --> 03:05:47,809
much comfort but it's a positive in the right direction

3235
03:05:47,809 --> 03:05:51,250
concerning traffic. Some of you may know eventually Point

3236
03:05:51,250 --> 03:05:53,750
Setia will eventually connect to Loop 288 but only when a

3237
03:05:53,750 --> 03:05:55,000
frontage road is built in there.

3238
03:05:55,000 --> 03:05:58,100
So that but when that's done that'll alleviate some of the

3239
03:05:58,100 --> 03:06:01,129
traffic going out that way instead of having to come back

3240
03:06:01,129 --> 03:06:03,000
down Point Setia and hit Sherman.

3241
03:06:03,000 --> 03:06:06,649
And I believe in the developer can correct me if I'm wrong

3242
03:06:06,649 --> 03:06:10,219
that once that developments done there's going to be an

3243
03:06:10,219 --> 03:06:12,000
outlet on the north side.

3244
03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:15,229
As that area develops that will allow traffic going out

3245
03:06:15,229 --> 03:06:18,569
that way. Is that correct? Okay, so that's an area that

3246
03:06:18,569 --> 03:06:22,049
will impact traffic in a positive manner. So with that

3247
03:06:22,049 --> 03:06:25,340
being said, and it's hard to sit there and vote for

3248
03:06:25,340 --> 03:06:29,000
something that I understand you're all opposed to.

3249
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:32,870
But we've got two choices we do nothing and leave it at CMG

3250
03:06:32,870 --> 03:06:36,729
, or we put the less restrictive NRMU in there so I motion

3251
03:06:36,729 --> 03:06:42,639
that my move that we approve the zone change from CMG to NR

3252
03:06:42,639 --> 03:06:43,000
MU.

3253
03:06:43,000 --> 03:06:44,000
Okay.

3254
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:50,129
We have a first Commissioner Sanchez. I second it. Okay. We

3255
03:06:50,129 --> 03:06:52,000
have a first and a second for approval.

3256
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:57,000
Any further discussion.

3257
03:06:57,000 --> 03:07:00,350
Well thank all of you all for coming out. I hope we've

3258
03:07:00,350 --> 03:07:03,739
tried to answer all of your questions and provided as much

3259
03:07:03,739 --> 03:07:06,000
information as we can on this item.

3260
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:13,000
And with that I will call for a vote on the board.

3261
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:19,000
That motion is going to carry four to zero.

3262
03:07:19,000 --> 03:07:22,739
We will now go on to the second part of this item for the

3263
03:07:22,739 --> 03:07:26,729
consideration of an SUV for those of you who would like to

3264
03:07:26,729 --> 03:07:30,649
leave, please go to go on and we'll let the room clear and

3265
03:07:30,649 --> 03:07:35,000
if you'd like to stay you're welcome to stay for this, this

3266
03:07:35,000 --> 03:07:43,000
part of our agenda.

3267
03:07:43,000 --> 03:07:56,000
Thank you.

3268
03:07:56,000 --> 03:08:03,729
We're going to hear the second part of this for SUP so you

3269
03:08:03,729 --> 03:08:11,610
are more than welcome to stay and come back up and address

3270
03:08:11,610 --> 03:08:14,000
us on the SUP. So please stay if you'd like.

3271
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:20,889
I'm going to I think the room's just about cleared and I'm

3272
03:08:20,889 --> 03:08:27,639
going to open public hearing and then we'll open it up on

3273
03:08:27,639 --> 03:08:30,229
the floor here. So this time I'm going to open the public

3274
03:08:30,229 --> 03:08:30,670
hearing for item D, S17-0010 and I will call on Julie White

3275
03:08:30,670 --> 03:08:31,000
mostly for introduction.

3276
03:08:31,000 --> 03:08:36,709
I know we've already done the presentation with just a

3277
03:08:36,709 --> 03:08:42,000
clarification of what's on the next on the agenda.

3278
03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:46,989
All right. So the request is for specific use permit for a

3279
03:08:46,989 --> 03:08:49,600
multifamily development staff does recommend approval of

3280
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:52,069
the request and I believe there was a question regarding

3281
03:08:52,069 --> 03:08:53,000
notification.

3282
03:08:53,000 --> 03:09:01,040
We do send out a certified letter for property owners

3283
03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:11,659
within 200 feet of the request and residents within 500

3284
03:09:11,659 --> 03:09:17,510
feet. So I can show a map. The 200 feet captures fewer

3285
03:09:17,510 --> 03:09:19,440
people than one would imagine. It just captured some

3286
03:09:19,440 --> 03:09:20,770
residents essentially on point set up and then the 500 feet

3287
03:09:20,770 --> 03:09:22,000
captured some more residents into the neighborhood.

3288
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:25,739
This is a public hearing. I know we have been through this

3289
03:09:25,739 --> 03:09:28,959
item but anyone who would like to speak on this item please

3290
03:09:28,959 --> 03:09:32,569
come forward. It will be the same process. Give us your

3291
03:09:32,569 --> 03:09:36,360
name and address and fill out another card for us or you

3292
03:09:36,360 --> 03:09:40,010
may have already asked if we need to fill out another card

3293
03:09:40,010 --> 03:09:46,000
or.

3294
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:49,770
Hi, my name is Jean Marie Goff and I live on Manton Boule

3295
03:09:49,770 --> 03:09:53,729
vard and on this issue I just wanted to bring up again from

3296
03:09:53,729 --> 03:10:00,000
listening to everything that with these 150 units Mr.

3297
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:05,459
Combs mentioned that 93 of the units will be open for the

3298
03:10:05,459 --> 03:10:11,239
lower income and the other 57 will be no restrictions. So

3299
03:10:11,239 --> 03:10:16,030
over half of the occupants are going to be on the lower

3300
03:10:16,030 --> 03:10:21,069
income side and I just like to say I have an opposition to

3301
03:10:21,069 --> 03:10:22,000
that.

3302
03:10:22,000 --> 03:10:25,239
Okay. I know that something is going in there. I have known

3303
03:10:25,239 --> 03:10:28,620
that for 16 years since I have been there. I know something

3304
03:10:28,620 --> 03:10:33,239
is going to go there. I agree I think the NRMU I already

3305
03:10:33,239 --> 03:10:37,000
said is a benefit to our neighborhood.

3306
03:10:37,000 --> 03:10:41,770
And I do have a problem with these apartments and with them

3307
03:10:41,770 --> 03:10:46,319
being three stories and I want to go on record as stating

3308
03:10:46,319 --> 03:10:50,770
that again that three stories as opposed to our single

3309
03:10:50,770 --> 03:10:53,000
family homes is a bit much.

3310
03:10:53,000 --> 03:10:58,280
And I really would like to ask the developer, the builder

3311
03:10:58,280 --> 03:11:00,000
to reconsider.

3312
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:04,459
I do have a bone to pick with Bel Air Development. They

3313
03:11:04,459 --> 03:11:09,440
currently own the corner, the northeast corner of Poinsett

3314
03:11:09,440 --> 03:11:14,870
ia and Sherman, and they have never once in 16 years come

3315
03:11:14,870 --> 03:11:19,000
out and done any maintenance on that corner.

3316
03:11:19,000 --> 03:11:22,110
The neighborhood takes care of that. We have no homeowners

3317
03:11:22,110 --> 03:11:25,750
association. I've tried to call Bel Air Development and I

3318
03:11:25,750 --> 03:11:29,000
've never gotten any farther than a secretary.

3319
03:11:29,000 --> 03:11:32,110
I've left my name and I've left my number. So they already

3320
03:11:32,110 --> 03:11:35,950
have left a bad taste in my mouth that they don't seem to

3321
03:11:35,950 --> 03:11:39,000
be good stewards of our neighborhood.

3322
03:11:39,000 --> 03:11:42,920
So I hope that they will meet with us when they do decide

3323
03:11:42,920 --> 03:11:47,000
whatever it is they're going to build. I appreciate it.

3324
03:11:47,000 --> 03:11:48,000
Thank you.

3325
03:11:48,000 --> 03:11:56,000
Thanks again for coming out tonight.

3326
03:11:56,000 --> 03:12:03,000
Thank you. Kamil Hazard again, 1514 Poinsettia. I

3327
03:12:03,000 --> 03:12:03,000
appreciate you guys giving us another opportunity to speak

3328
03:12:03,000 --> 03:12:03,000
on this.

3329
03:12:03,000 --> 03:12:06,870
I would like to ask that we could possibly table this for a

3330
03:12:06,870 --> 03:12:10,799
vote until after the developer gives us an opportunity to

3331
03:12:10,799 --> 03:12:15,000
meet with them and discuss our significant concerns.

3332
03:12:15,000 --> 03:12:19,389
I'd hate for this to be approved and then they blow us off

3333
03:12:19,389 --> 03:12:23,610
or don't take our concerns into account when they're

3334
03:12:23,610 --> 03:12:26,549
obviously substantial. A three story apartment complex

3335
03:12:26,549 --> 03:12:29,000
would completely change the look and feel of our community.

3336
03:12:29,000 --> 03:12:32,000
And as well as the traffic and parking problems that we're

3337
03:12:32,000 --> 03:12:34,989
anticipating. So I would ask you guys to if you can just

3338
03:12:34,989 --> 03:12:38,000
table it until we can meet with them, discuss it.

3339
03:12:38,000 --> 03:12:42,229
And then if we do have concerns going forward, you know, we

3340
03:12:42,229 --> 03:12:45,579
have another opportunity to speak. Thank you. Again, I

3341
03:12:45,579 --> 03:12:46,930
think Commissioner Ellis said we're just going to be a

3342
03:12:46,930 --> 03:12:48,000
recommending body to City Council.

3343
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:50,989
So this will go on and City Council will have a final say

3344
03:12:50,989 --> 03:12:55,000
on both of these matters that are coming before us. Okay.

3345
03:12:55,000 --> 03:12:58,969
But would it be possible for you guys to at least tell them

3346
03:12:58,969 --> 03:13:03,000
that we have concerns and make the same suggestions?

3347
03:13:03,000 --> 03:13:06,870
They watch these meetings and they'll have minutes and they

3348
03:13:06,870 --> 03:13:11,000
're probably well aware of exactly what we're doing tonight.

3349
03:13:11,000 --> 03:13:13,399
But you certainly are welcome to come back out for City

3350
03:13:13,399 --> 03:13:18,000
Council. I would encourage you to do so. Thank you.

3351
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:23,000
I have a question for Julie. Commissioner Sanchez.

3352
03:13:23,000 --> 03:13:26,309
Julie, based on what you just said, can they if they say

3353
03:13:26,309 --> 03:13:29,930
this is just a hypothetical, say the developer doesn't meet

3354
03:13:29,930 --> 03:13:33,000
with them and doesn't take can they meet with you?

3355
03:13:33,000 --> 03:13:36,360
Because I know when they're when they're doing the site

3356
03:13:36,360 --> 03:13:40,000
plan, you take all kinds of stuff into consideration.

3357
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:44,389
So with that, can they meet with you and or with the city

3358
03:13:44,389 --> 03:13:47,000
and bring in their concerns?

3359
03:13:47,000 --> 03:13:50,530
This is just I'm just throwing this out as a hypothetical.

3360
03:13:50,530 --> 03:13:54,000
Say they just blow them off and say, no, we don't want to

3361
03:13:54,000 --> 03:13:55,000
listen to you.

3362
03:13:55,000 --> 03:13:57,690
We don't have any required meetings as part of the

3363
03:13:57,690 --> 03:14:01,329
development process, but it is typical for applicants to

3364
03:14:01,329 --> 03:14:05,399
meet with city staff during the development process to to

3365
03:14:05,399 --> 03:14:08,850
ensure compliance with the development code, both in terms

3366
03:14:08,850 --> 03:14:11,520
of site design and infrastructure and all of the items

3367
03:14:11,520 --> 03:14:12,000
associated with.

3368
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:15,870
But I'm talking about the the the community with the

3369
03:14:15,870 --> 03:14:17,000
community.

3370
03:14:17,000 --> 03:14:20,299
Yeah. Yeah. Say you say what we've been talking about is

3371
03:14:20,299 --> 03:14:23,590
they hopefully don't meet with the community will meet with

3372
03:14:23,590 --> 03:14:25,000
with the developer.

3373
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:28,049
And I'm just throwing this as a hypothetical. So they feel

3374
03:14:28,049 --> 03:14:30,000
what she just said.

3375
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:32,159
Say they blow them off and they decide, hey, we're not

3376
03:14:32,159 --> 03:14:34,319
going to we don't really want to meet with you and do what

3377
03:14:34,319 --> 03:14:35,000
we want.

3378
03:14:35,000 --> 03:14:40,590
Can they then come to you and meet with you all and make

3379
03:14:40,590 --> 03:14:43,000
recommendations?

3380
03:14:43,000 --> 03:14:47,409
I was going to say private. The most immediate impact or

3381
03:14:47,409 --> 03:14:49,950
voice that they'll have will be at the next subsequent city

3382
03:14:49,950 --> 03:14:53,469
commission meeting, which is the city council meeting for

3383
03:14:53,469 --> 03:14:55,000
this item is next Tuesday.

3384
03:14:55,000 --> 03:14:58,899
So I would well I would invite and welcome all of the

3385
03:14:58,899 --> 03:15:03,430
community come to that, but they can always, of course,

3386
03:15:03,430 --> 03:15:06,000
call me as well. Yeah. Call or email me as well. Yes, sir.

3387
03:15:06,000 --> 03:15:09,590
So that'll be Tuesday, December the fifth. Yes, sir. At the

3388
03:15:09,590 --> 03:15:16,000
meeting. And it's the same room. Six thirty. Yes, sir.

3389
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:19,000
Thank you for the clarification, Julie.

3390
03:15:19,000 --> 03:15:21,989
Commissioner Sanchez, did you have anything else? No, that

3391
03:15:21,989 --> 03:15:23,000
was it.

3392
03:15:23,000 --> 03:15:28,000
I'm sorry for raising my hand earlier. I'm learning.

3393
03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:33,000
Appreciate you come to learn this guy over here pokes me.

3394
03:15:33,000 --> 03:15:38,000
That's why you have legal right? That's right.

3395
03:15:38,000 --> 03:15:42,250
I just I wanted to ask, have you, I guess, ask the

3396
03:15:42,250 --> 03:15:45,750
developer because this is the second or third time I heard

3397
03:15:45,750 --> 03:15:49,290
him mention the number of parking places compared to the

3398
03:15:49,290 --> 03:15:51,000
number of units,

3399
03:15:51,000 --> 03:15:55,000
which is not adequate.

3400
03:15:55,000 --> 03:15:57,690
Where does he expect the people to park? They actually

3401
03:15:57,690 --> 03:16:00,000
provided more parking than is required by code.

3402
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:03,270
And there is a maximum that they can put in. So they are

3403
03:16:03,270 --> 03:16:07,260
above what's required. Well, but the requirement is

3404
03:16:07,260 --> 03:16:09,000
inadequate.

3405
03:16:09,000 --> 03:16:13,000
You know, that's one of my concerns. OK.

3406
03:16:13,000 --> 03:16:16,940
You mentioned that that that you all don't have any control

3407
03:16:16,940 --> 03:16:20,729
of the traffic there on Sherman on the text roadway on the

3408
03:16:20,729 --> 03:16:22,000
text roadway.

3409
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:25,000
There's at least I do the same thing.

3410
03:16:25,000 --> 03:16:29,000
Palata Manon. OK. Twice a day every day.

3411
03:16:29,000 --> 03:16:32,000
There's at least one accident a week there. Minimum.

3412
03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:33,840
I think if you went down to the fire department and asked

3413
03:16:33,840 --> 03:16:36,000
one of those guys, they'll probably tell you there's more.

3414
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:39,000
I see at least one a week. OK.

3415
03:16:39,000 --> 03:16:43,399
So if you don't have any control over the traffic, but you

3416
03:16:43,399 --> 03:16:49,000
're doing a traffic study, OK, you submit that to text out

3417
03:16:49,000 --> 03:16:53,000
and they go, we'll do it whenever.

3418
03:16:53,000 --> 03:16:55,000
And in the meantime, the building continues.

3419
03:16:55,000 --> 03:16:57,420
They have a set of criteria and maybe city staff can

3420
03:16:57,420 --> 03:16:59,000
address that better than I.

3421
03:16:59,000 --> 03:17:02,469
But there is a set of criteria that they will have to meet

3422
03:17:02,469 --> 03:17:04,000
both city and state.

3423
03:17:04,000 --> 03:17:06,899
All right, because I guess that's my question. We're

3424
03:17:06,899 --> 03:17:09,469
already having one accident a week. We already have people

3425
03:17:09,469 --> 03:17:10,930
coming off, you know, like I said about the football Friday

3426
03:17:10,930 --> 03:17:13,000
, but even not football Friday.

3427
03:17:13,000 --> 03:17:16,750
Making those turnarounds. I've almost hit people a couple

3428
03:17:16,750 --> 03:17:19,760
of times coming home from work already that are making a

3429
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:23,000
loop and on points that are there instead of, you know,

3430
03:17:23,000 --> 03:17:25,000
making their left hand turn like they're supposed to.

3431
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:27,469
They've got to be aware that they're already having that

3432
03:17:27,469 --> 03:17:30,000
many accidents, but nothing's happening already.

3433
03:17:30,000 --> 03:17:34,889
OK, I agree with the tabling. I know you said you didn't

3434
03:17:34,889 --> 03:17:36,000
have any control over that.

3435
03:17:36,000 --> 03:17:39,709
So is that something that the city council meeting would do

3436
03:17:39,709 --> 03:17:40,000
?

3437
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:42,989
Well, this will go on to city council and that meeting will

3438
03:17:42,989 --> 03:17:47,000
be next Tuesday, December the fifth. Same room, 630.

3439
03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:52,260
OK, so both of the both of these items will move from this

3440
03:17:52,260 --> 03:17:58,000
body to city council and that they will have the final say.

3441
03:17:58,000 --> 03:18:01,219
I'm sorry. I know my my buzzer went, but you've got me

3442
03:18:01,219 --> 03:18:06,000
confused. So you you have to either approve or not approve.

3443
03:18:06,000 --> 03:18:08,409
You do not have the option to table. Is that what I'm

3444
03:18:08,409 --> 03:18:09,000
understanding?

3445
03:18:09,000 --> 03:18:11,790
Well, that would be an option if that's something that the

3446
03:18:11,790 --> 03:18:14,000
commission wanted to entertain tonight.

3447
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:19,120
But at the end of the day, this project will move to city

3448
03:18:19,120 --> 03:18:22,979
council and city council will then either approve or deny

3449
03:18:22,979 --> 03:18:25,000
both of these separate items.

3450
03:18:25,000 --> 03:18:27,600
We are just going to be recommending by so if we approve it

3451
03:18:27,600 --> 03:18:29,000
tonight, it's not final.

3452
03:18:29,000 --> 03:18:32,680
It just moves to city council and city council will have

3453
03:18:32,680 --> 03:18:36,729
the final approval or denial on both the rezoning and the S

3454
03:18:36,729 --> 03:18:37,000
.U.P.

3455
03:18:37,000 --> 03:18:40,899
And that's currently scheduled for next Tuesday. Same room,

3456
03:18:40,899 --> 03:18:42,000
630.

3457
03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:45,239
But you had the option of tabling it until the other

3458
03:18:45,239 --> 03:18:47,000
information comes in.

3459
03:18:47,000 --> 03:18:49,000
Well, like the traffic thing and all that kind of stuff.

3460
03:18:49,000 --> 03:18:51,170
Well, that would be an option for us to consider if that's

3461
03:18:51,170 --> 03:18:53,000
something the commission would like to do.

3462
03:18:53,000 --> 03:18:56,739
I was just trying to get it all. It's a complicated process

3463
03:18:56,739 --> 03:18:59,000
. I understand. Thank you all very much.

3464
03:18:59,000 --> 03:19:03,000
Thanks for coming out tonight. This is a public hearing.

3465
03:19:03,000 --> 03:19:10,000
Anyone who would like to speak, please come forward at this

3466
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:11,000
time.

3467
03:19:11,000 --> 03:19:13,729
Great. As all of this discussion has gone on, I've realized

3468
03:19:13,729 --> 03:19:15,000
that you divided it up.

3469
03:19:15,000 --> 03:19:19,149
You are now going to vote on the special use permit, which

3470
03:19:19,149 --> 03:19:23,399
does removes the need to have commercial on the first level

3471
03:19:23,399 --> 03:19:25,000
of this building.

3472
03:19:25,000 --> 03:19:27,850
Correct. That's correct. So that is what you're going to do

3473
03:19:27,850 --> 03:19:28,000
.

3474
03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:31,540
The thing that I would like to go on to record being heard

3475
03:19:31,540 --> 03:19:38,000
to say is that if we are going to continue to bring in HUD

3476
03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:38,000
housing,

3477
03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:43,170
continue to focus on affordable housing for our citizens in

3478
03:19:43,170 --> 03:19:47,569
the city of Denton, we have to remember that with housing

3479
03:19:47,569 --> 03:19:52,000
comes other things like transportation.

3480
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:55,889
There is currently no bus lines to any of the areas that we

3481
03:19:55,889 --> 03:19:58,000
've talked about tonight.

3482
03:19:58,000 --> 03:20:01,159
So we need as a city to be aware. I know it's not planning,

3483
03:20:01,159 --> 03:20:03,000
but this is going to the city council.

3484
03:20:03,000 --> 03:20:07,360
We also need to be aware of the ability for people to find

3485
03:20:07,360 --> 03:20:12,000
adequate health care providers in the city,

3486
03:20:12,000 --> 03:20:14,360
especially the HUD housing people who are going to spend

3487
03:20:14,360 --> 03:20:16,000
most of their money on the housing.

3488
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:17,930
We also need to look at where these children are going to

3489
03:20:17,930 --> 03:20:20,000
go to school that are going to be in these apartments.

3490
03:20:20,000 --> 03:20:23,469
How are they going to get there? Are there any sidewalks to

3491
03:20:23,469 --> 03:20:27,000
get anywhere near these schools that are going to be there?

3492
03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:30,100
I know that the new area that's going up to the east of

3493
03:20:30,100 --> 03:20:33,000
this one is going to have a lot of children in it.

3494
03:20:33,000 --> 03:20:35,989
And I don't believe that the elementary school is prepared

3495
03:20:35,989 --> 03:20:37,000
to deal with that.

3496
03:20:37,000 --> 03:20:41,159
So as Denton continues to grow, it's not just housing. It's

3497
03:20:41,159 --> 03:20:42,000
not just buildings.

3498
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:45,299
We are looking at neighborhoods. We are looking at families

3499
03:20:45,299 --> 03:20:48,299
and we are looking at generations and that we need to be as

3500
03:20:48,299 --> 03:20:52,000
a city responsible and aware of all of those things,

3501
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:56,000
not just where you have somebody. Thank you.

3502
03:20:56,000 --> 03:20:58,000
Thanks for coming out in your comments.

3503
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:06,110
Again, this is a public hearing. Anyone else who would like

3504
03:21:06,110 --> 03:21:17,000
to speak on this item, please come forward.

3505
03:21:17,000 --> 03:21:22,280
My name is Scott Hazard. I live at 1514 Point City Boule

3506
03:21:22,280 --> 03:21:23,000
vard.

3507
03:21:23,000 --> 03:21:27,770
I appreciate you guys explaining your unanimous yes votes

3508
03:21:27,770 --> 03:21:33,000
to us on this, although the opposition to it was unanimous.

3509
03:21:33,000 --> 03:21:37,540
I haven't seen one person here tonight in support of this

3510
03:21:37,540 --> 03:21:41,000
who doesn't have a financial gain in it.

3511
03:21:41,000 --> 03:21:44,000
I appreciate you guys explaining your yes votes to us.

3512
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:49,110
But if they put an Arby's and a Burger King and a Whatab

3513
03:21:49,110 --> 03:21:54,000
urger and a Pep Boys and a used car lot over there,

3514
03:21:54,000 --> 03:21:57,930
they're not all going to be always parked on the north side

3515
03:21:57,930 --> 03:22:00,000
of Poinsettia Boulevard.

3516
03:22:00,000 --> 03:22:03,389
It's not going to generate that constant traffic flow at

3517
03:22:03,389 --> 03:22:06,799
the corner of Poinsettia and Sherman Drive that this is

3518
03:22:06,799 --> 03:22:08,000
going to generate.

3519
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:12,909
It's not going to exacerbate, rather, an already increased

3520
03:22:12,909 --> 03:22:18,270
traffic flow because of the neighborhoods going in at each

3521
03:22:18,270 --> 03:22:19,000
end.

3522
03:22:19,000 --> 03:22:23,000
You say the builder will meet with us and talk with us.

3523
03:22:23,000 --> 03:22:24,000
That's great.

3524
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:26,989
What I'm finding out here is I could be up here standing on

3525
03:22:26,989 --> 03:22:30,000
my head screaming, and you guys hear me,

3526
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:34,450
but apparently nobody's listening because you guys voted

3527
03:22:34,450 --> 03:22:39,000
unanimously to approve this when we showed up in a moderate

3528
03:22:39,000 --> 03:22:41,000
show of force against it.

3529
03:22:41,000 --> 03:22:44,270
So now you're going to approve the apartment complex in

3530
03:22:44,270 --> 03:22:47,520
general, even though not one person in this room has spoken

3531
03:22:47,520 --> 03:22:48,000
out for it,

3532
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:52,559
with the exception of the people who stand to gain by

3533
03:22:52,559 --> 03:22:54,000
building it.

3534
03:22:54,000 --> 03:22:58,229
As to the argument that when we moved there, we knew that

3535
03:22:58,229 --> 03:23:01,000
that was an empty field and all of this kind of stuff,

3536
03:23:01,000 --> 03:23:04,600
and it's not going to stay an empty field forever, that's a

3537
03:23:04,600 --> 03:23:08,000
little bit of an insult to my intelligence.

3538
03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:11,700
We know that this is not going to be an empty field forever

3539
03:23:11,700 --> 03:23:14,000
. We know that things are going to be built there.

3540
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:18,000
But what we also know is that if you build apartments there

3541
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:20,479
and allow the people to park on the north side of the

3542
03:23:20,479 --> 03:23:23,000
street, they will.

3543
03:23:23,000 --> 03:23:25,729
And you're also going to open points that are up to be a

3544
03:23:25,729 --> 03:23:30,299
through street then, probably going to have a, what, 30, 35

3545
03:23:30,299 --> 03:23:31,000
mile an hour speed limit,

3546
03:23:31,000 --> 03:23:34,510
with cars parked on both sides of the street, and when the

3547
03:23:34,510 --> 03:23:38,729
speed limit's 30 or 35, people drive what, 45, 50 generally

3548
03:23:38,729 --> 03:23:39,000
?

3549
03:23:39,000 --> 03:23:43,649
I mean, let's be honest. So you're creating a very, very,

3550
03:23:43,649 --> 03:23:47,000
very dangerous situation. It's easy for you guys.

3551
03:23:47,000 --> 03:23:50,940
I don't recognize any of y'all. I don't think any of y'all

3552
03:23:50,940 --> 03:23:54,000
live in our neighborhood. It's easy for you to sit there

3553
03:23:54,000 --> 03:23:56,000
and tell us what's best for us.

3554
03:23:56,000 --> 03:23:59,760
But that's a little bit condescending of you to sit there

3555
03:23:59,760 --> 03:24:02,000
and tell us what's best for us.

3556
03:24:02,000 --> 03:24:06,000
When we have thought this out, we have discussed this among

3557
03:24:06,000 --> 03:24:09,000
ourselves. We know what's best for us.

3558
03:24:09,000 --> 03:24:14,010
We don't think that we're not trying to save the field. It

3559
03:24:14,010 --> 03:24:17,659
's not about saving that field. We know something's going to

3560
03:24:17,659 --> 03:24:18,000
be there.

3561
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:22,200
But an apartment complex is the wrong thing to be there. It

3562
03:24:22,200 --> 03:24:26,270
's the wrong thing to be there for the traffic aspect at the

3563
03:24:26,270 --> 03:24:30,000
corner of Sherman and Poinsettia.

3564
03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:34,319
The backup that's going to create at come home hour at 530

3565
03:24:34,319 --> 03:24:38,129
to turn left on the Poinsettia right there is going to be a

3566
03:24:38,129 --> 03:24:40,000
nightmare, and people are going to get hurt.

3567
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:43,000
And y'all go ahead and vote.

3568
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:47,000
I'm going to respond. I'd like to respond to your comment.

3569
03:24:47,000 --> 03:24:51,569
I'm not trying to sit up here and tell you what's best for

3570
03:24:51,569 --> 03:24:54,000
you in your neighborhood.

3571
03:24:54,000 --> 03:24:56,600
What I do want to share with you is that by right, they can

3572
03:24:56,600 --> 03:24:59,299
build apartments on their property right now and not even

3573
03:24:59,299 --> 03:25:01,000
come before this commission.

3574
03:25:01,000 --> 03:25:03,000
I completely understand that.

3575
03:25:03,000 --> 03:25:05,729
And also they could build a tiny story, whatever, that we

3576
03:25:05,729 --> 03:25:07,000
talked about earlier.

3577
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:10,870
But it's not feasible to do that. They could build a Tesla

3578
03:25:10,870 --> 03:25:15,000
plant right there, too. But that's not feasible either.

3579
03:25:15,000 --> 03:25:18,530
So we have to look at what's feasible to go there and what

3580
03:25:18,530 --> 03:25:22,000
you guys are trying to let these guys build there.

3581
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:25,100
Well, what we're trying to do is we're looking at the

3582
03:25:25,100 --> 03:25:27,000
realities of what's there.

3583
03:25:27,000 --> 03:25:30,180
And what the realities is what's there is that they can

3584
03:25:30,180 --> 03:25:32,000
build multifamily there.

3585
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:37,000
They can do it 65 feet tall instead of three stories tall.

3586
03:25:37,000 --> 03:25:39,290
There are people in your neighborhood they're concerned

3587
03:25:39,290 --> 03:25:40,000
about height.

3588
03:25:40,000 --> 03:25:44,000
And so this commission is faced with a difficult task.

3589
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:47,459
Do we pass on the opportunity to put some limitations on it

3590
03:25:47,459 --> 03:25:49,000
or let it stay as it is?

3591
03:25:49,000 --> 03:25:51,520
And it can be 65 feet tall and they can build apartments

3592
03:25:51,520 --> 03:25:52,000
there.

3593
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:55,000
And instead of having 30 per acre, it's unlimited.

3594
03:25:55,000 --> 03:25:57,000
And there are 500.

3595
03:25:57,000 --> 03:26:00,079
So I hope you would look at the realities of the choice

3596
03:26:00,079 --> 03:26:01,000
that we have.

3597
03:26:01,000 --> 03:26:03,000
And it's not the one that you would like.

3598
03:26:03,000 --> 03:26:06,340
But the reality is they can by right build there and do

3599
03:26:06,340 --> 03:26:10,049
apartments there and do them much taller than what's being

3600
03:26:10,049 --> 03:26:11,000
proposed.

3601
03:26:11,000 --> 03:26:13,379
And so that's the choice that we have to look at this

3602
03:26:13,379 --> 03:26:14,000
evening.

3603
03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:16,340
And so I appreciate you coming out and sharing your

3604
03:26:16,340 --> 03:26:17,000
thoughts.

3605
03:26:17,000 --> 03:26:20,250
I hope that we have tried to share back with you the

3606
03:26:20,250 --> 03:26:24,200
realities of what we have on that piece of property with

3607
03:26:24,200 --> 03:26:28,000
the current zoning and the current uses that are out there.

3608
03:26:28,000 --> 03:26:32,239
With all due respect, sir, this is a giant company that's

3609
03:26:32,239 --> 03:26:35,000
got apartments all over the world.

3610
03:26:35,000 --> 03:26:39,000
If they thought it was feasible to put 65 foot buildings

3611
03:26:39,000 --> 03:26:42,000
right there, we'd be here talking about 65 foot buildings.

3612
03:26:42,000 --> 03:26:43,000
Okay.

3613
03:26:43,000 --> 03:26:45,620
This company is not going to worry about the money that it

3614
03:26:45,620 --> 03:26:48,000
would cost to put 65 foot buildings there.

3615
03:26:48,000 --> 03:26:50,000
Why are they not doing that?

3616
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:52,000
Because it's not feasible.

3617
03:26:52,000 --> 03:26:55,030
Just like all of these other things that you guys have been

3618
03:26:55,030 --> 03:26:57,600
talking about trying to scare us, well, you could have this

3619
03:26:57,600 --> 03:26:58,000
going there.

3620
03:26:58,000 --> 03:27:00,000
You could have this going there.

3621
03:27:00,000 --> 03:27:01,000
Those aren't feasible.

3622
03:27:01,000 --> 03:27:05,350
This is a matter of what is feasible and usable and common

3623
03:27:05,350 --> 03:27:09,510
sense for that piece of land with the amount of traffic

3624
03:27:09,510 --> 03:27:11,000
that goes by it.

3625
03:27:11,000 --> 03:27:15,510
And believe me, this developer is trying to squeeze every

3626
03:27:15,510 --> 03:27:18,000
penny out of it that they can.

3627
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:20,760
If they thought it was to their advantage to build five-

3628
03:27:20,760 --> 03:27:23,000
story apartment buildings, they would.

3629
03:27:23,000 --> 03:27:25,000
The next guy might, if they don't.

3630
03:27:25,000 --> 03:27:27,000
Well, your time is up.

3631
03:27:27,000 --> 03:27:29,000
I appreciate you sharing your comments.

3632
03:27:29,000 --> 03:27:33,000
I had a question for him.

3633
03:27:33,000 --> 03:27:35,690
Sorry, sir, there's one more commissioner who would like a

3634
03:27:35,690 --> 03:27:38,000
commissioner that would like to ask a question.

3635
03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:41,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

3636
03:27:41,000 --> 03:27:45,000
Yes, that first vote we took was to change the zoning.

3637
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:47,000
Were you opposed to that?

3638
03:27:47,000 --> 03:27:51,110
Because most of the people that I think came across, they

3639
03:27:51,110 --> 03:27:55,000
're not concerned with -- they're with us on the zoning.

3640
03:27:55,000 --> 03:28:00,000
Are you -- again, are you opposed to changing the zoning?

3641
03:28:00,000 --> 03:28:02,000
Or did you want to say the way it was?

3642
03:28:02,000 --> 03:28:08,090
I see the zoning as a step towards the -- what is this, an

3643
03:28:08,090 --> 03:28:09,000
SUP?

3644
03:28:09,000 --> 03:28:12,000
I see one kind of feeding the other.

3645
03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:16,000
So I'm opposed to the zoning.

3646
03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:19,409
I'm not scared of somebody moving in there and building an

3647
03:28:19,409 --> 03:28:22,180
80-story high-rise because I know that the laws of

3648
03:28:22,180 --> 03:28:26,200
economics prevent somebody from building an 80-story high-

3649
03:28:26,200 --> 03:28:27,000
rise right there.

3650
03:28:27,000 --> 03:28:31,180
I would be willing to have whatever is economically

3651
03:28:31,180 --> 03:28:35,489
feasible that you guys in the city thinks will go there

3652
03:28:35,489 --> 03:28:38,000
with the exception of apartments,

3653
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:40,840
with the exception of apartments where people are going to

3654
03:28:40,840 --> 03:28:43,530
be parking their car in one solid road on the north side of

3655
03:28:43,530 --> 03:28:45,000
Poinsettia Boulevard.

3656
03:28:45,000 --> 03:28:47,000
And you know they will.

3657
03:28:47,000 --> 03:28:50,680
I would like for you guys to all think about what it would

3658
03:28:50,680 --> 03:28:54,290
be like to walk out in the morning to get your newspaper

3659
03:28:54,290 --> 03:28:57,950
and see a bumper-to-bumper row of cars parked across the

3660
03:28:57,950 --> 03:28:59,000
street from you.

3661
03:28:59,000 --> 03:29:00,000
Maybe you see that.

3662
03:29:00,000 --> 03:29:03,000
My guess is you don't.

3663
03:29:03,000 --> 03:29:06,510
I would like for you to think about that kid that darts out

3664
03:29:06,510 --> 03:29:09,440
between those two cars when the street is so narrow because

3665
03:29:09,440 --> 03:29:12,000
there's cars parked on each side of the street.

3666
03:29:12,000 --> 03:29:15,000
I drive through neighborhoods like that all the time.

3667
03:29:15,000 --> 03:29:18,000
I drive like 15 miles an hour through these neighborhoods.

3668
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:20,000
And the speed limit is 30.

3669
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:23,200
I'm scared to death that some kid's going to jump out

3670
03:29:23,200 --> 03:29:26,000
between two cars and I'm going to hit him.

3671
03:29:26,000 --> 03:29:30,000
So I drive ridiculously slow so that doesn't happen.

3672
03:29:30,000 --> 03:29:34,000
To answer your question, sir, yes, I was opposed to that

3673
03:29:34,000 --> 03:29:37,629
because I believe that the laws of economics and common

3674
03:29:37,629 --> 03:29:41,000
sense are on my side as to what can be put there.

3675
03:29:41,000 --> 03:29:43,989
And I don't believe that the things that you guys have told

3676
03:29:43,989 --> 03:29:47,000
us, well, this could be there and this could be there.

3677
03:29:47,000 --> 03:29:48,000
Yeah, it could be there.

3678
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:54,069
But if it really was economically feasible to be there, it

3679
03:29:54,069 --> 03:29:56,000
would be there.

3680
03:29:56,000 --> 03:29:57,000
And it's not.

3681
03:29:57,000 --> 03:29:59,780
These apartments are going to create traffic issues on Po

3682
03:29:59,780 --> 03:30:03,000
insettia Drive like Poinsettia Drive has never seen before.

3683
03:30:03,000 --> 03:30:06,000
Poinsettia Boulevard is actually a boulevard.

3684
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:10,590
That intersection at Sherman and Poinsettia, and I realize

3685
03:30:10,590 --> 03:30:12,000
it, it's a dot highway.

3686
03:30:12,000 --> 03:30:14,819
I mean, there's nothing that you can do about that, but

3687
03:30:14,819 --> 03:30:17,000
nothing that the city can do about that.

3688
03:30:17,000 --> 03:30:19,989
Do we really think that we really want to push this off on

3689
03:30:19,989 --> 03:30:23,739
the state of Texas and hope that they are timely in their

3690
03:30:23,739 --> 03:30:27,000
decisions to do what's necessary?

3691
03:30:27,000 --> 03:30:28,389
How many people are going to have to die at that

3692
03:30:28,389 --> 03:30:29,000
intersection?

3693
03:30:29,000 --> 03:30:30,000
Sir, I'm going to interrupt you.

3694
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:32,000
We've let you go way past four minutes.

3695
03:30:32,000 --> 03:30:33,000
We've had a couple of questions.

3696
03:30:33,000 --> 03:30:34,000
I appreciate you coming out.

3697
03:30:34,000 --> 03:30:35,000
Thank you so much.

3698
03:30:35,000 --> 03:30:41,000
Thank you for sharing your point of view.

3699
03:30:41,000 --> 03:30:42,000
I'll be quick.

3700
03:30:42,000 --> 03:30:47,000
Becky Garcia, 1301 Matten Boulevard.

3701
03:30:47,000 --> 03:30:50,540
I just have to -- I know one of the things that people do

3702
03:30:50,540 --> 03:30:54,110
when this happens, and then I forget where I come from, is

3703
03:30:54,110 --> 03:30:57,000
you're going to have a strip mall over here.

3704
03:30:57,000 --> 03:31:00,000
You're going to have Luby's right here.

3705
03:31:00,000 --> 03:31:02,000
You're going to have Chico's Tacos over here.

3706
03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:05,000
You're going to have the -- what is it?

3707
03:31:05,000 --> 03:31:06,000
What do we have?

3708
03:31:06,000 --> 03:31:08,000
Like the Piggly Wiggly.

3709
03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:09,000
That's where I grew up.

3710
03:31:09,000 --> 03:31:11,000
I come from El Paso.

3711
03:31:11,000 --> 03:31:15,979
And if you put my house in Denton, it would right be in the

3712
03:31:15,979 --> 03:31:21,000
corner of University and -- what's the name of that street?

3713
03:31:21,000 --> 03:31:23,000
The big one where Kroger is.

3714
03:31:23,000 --> 03:31:24,000
Carol.

3715
03:31:24,000 --> 03:31:25,000
Carol Boulevard.

3716
03:31:25,000 --> 03:31:26,000
That's where I grew up with.

3717
03:31:26,000 --> 03:31:28,000
And you know what?

3718
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:30,190
I grew up in the big one where the big one was -- except

3719
03:31:30,190 --> 03:31:33,000
for the fire station, because that was across also there.

3720
03:31:33,000 --> 03:31:36,000
At 9 o'clock, it got quiet.

3721
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:38,000
Now, El Paso is huge.

3722
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:43,180
So if the big boxes come in at 9, 10 o'clock, everybody's

3723
03:31:43,180 --> 03:31:47,000
going to go home and it'll be quiet at night.

3724
03:31:47,000 --> 03:31:50,000
That's not going to happen with the apartment.

3725
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:58,000
I know you just said something with the Bel Air.

3726
03:31:58,000 --> 03:31:58,489
I know we're beating up on you guys, but one of the things

3727
03:31:58,489 --> 03:31:59,000
is, is they didn't take care of a corner.

3728
03:31:59,000 --> 03:32:02,000
Are they going to take care of the apartment?

3729
03:32:02,000 --> 03:32:06,309
You know, my friend out there, it's 110, and she's mowing

3730
03:32:06,309 --> 03:32:10,270
and edging, and people are, you know, waving at her and

3731
03:32:10,270 --> 03:32:13,000
clapping, and we pick up our own trash.

3732
03:32:13,000 --> 03:32:17,309
Are they going to be responsible enough to keep that area

3733
03:32:17,309 --> 03:32:18,000
nice?

3734
03:32:18,000 --> 03:32:20,000
I don't know.

3735
03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:22,000
That's another reason.

3736
03:32:22,000 --> 03:32:24,729
Them not talking to us, and we hear this other people, they

3737
03:32:24,729 --> 03:32:26,000
came in and they talked.

3738
03:32:26,000 --> 03:32:28,000
It leaves a bad taste in my heart.

3739
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:30,000
So I give you a challenge.

3740
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:32,000
Talk to us.

3741
03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:34,000
Make us feel good.

3742
03:32:34,000 --> 03:32:36,000
Because I won't come after you.

3743
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:38,000
You don't want her to come after me.

3744
03:32:38,000 --> 03:32:40,000
Trust me.

3745
03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:42,000
We're teachers.

3746
03:32:42,000 --> 03:32:44,000
We will find you.

3747
03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:46,000
If you're in Italy, it'll be fun, but we will find you.

3748
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:48,000
So, and you guys, thank you very much.

3749
03:32:48,000 --> 03:32:50,000
Thanks for coming out this evening.

3750
03:32:50,000 --> 03:32:52,000
This is a public hearing.

3751
03:32:52,000 --> 03:32:56,110
Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come

3752
03:32:56,110 --> 03:32:58,000
forward at this time.

3753
03:32:58,000 --> 03:33:01,000
Leslie Wilder, 3903 Teal Drive.

3754
03:33:01,000 --> 03:33:03,000
Again, thank you for hearing us.

3755
03:33:03,000 --> 03:33:06,170
I can remember, as you reminisced in the '80s, I can

3756
03:33:06,170 --> 03:33:08,000
remember when Carroll Boulevard was put in.

3757
03:33:08,000 --> 03:33:12,709
I used to have to go through the square to get into town

3758
03:33:12,709 --> 03:33:14,000
coming in.

3759
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:18,059
I do know when my dad served on the planning and zoning, he

3760
03:33:18,059 --> 03:33:21,260
talked about the most difficult thing he ever did was that

3761
03:33:21,260 --> 03:33:22,000
board.

3762
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:24,260
And he said he didn't do it long because it was that

3763
03:33:24,260 --> 03:33:25,000
difficult.

3764
03:33:25,000 --> 03:33:27,000
He did the utilities board and other things.

3765
03:33:27,000 --> 03:33:31,000
I really respect what he did and I respect what you do.

3766
03:33:31,000 --> 03:33:34,340
And I just appreciate that you've listened to all our

3767
03:33:34,340 --> 03:33:37,989
concerns and tried to understand and empathize, as you said

3768
03:33:37,989 --> 03:33:40,000
earlier, with us.

3769
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:43,040
My brother-in-law's Jack Bell, I'm sure you're very much

3770
03:33:43,040 --> 03:33:46,000
familiar with his name as a developer here locally.

3771
03:33:46,000 --> 03:33:49,430
That would be a whole different ballpark if we were talking

3772
03:33:49,430 --> 03:33:52,000
about a local developer on this project.

3773
03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:56,000
I think that's a big concern for us here.

3774
03:33:56,000 --> 03:33:59,620
I liked the development we talked about earlier, the homes

3775
03:33:59,620 --> 03:34:01,000
going in off Audra.

3776
03:34:01,000 --> 03:34:04,709
They were very considerate of what was going on around them

3777
03:34:04,709 --> 03:34:05,000
.

3778
03:34:05,000 --> 03:34:07,000
I'd like to see that here.

3779
03:34:07,000 --> 03:34:10,180
And that's what I'm going on the record and I will go to

3780
03:34:10,180 --> 03:34:12,000
the city council as well.

3781
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:15,350
But I just want you to understand that this does not seem

3782
03:34:15,350 --> 03:34:19,000
like a local development like the old days of our planning

3783
03:34:19,000 --> 03:34:20,000
and zoning,

3784
03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:24,000
who really, really cared about how Denton changed and grew.

3785
03:34:24,000 --> 03:34:29,739
And I know they resisted growth to the nth degree, too far

3786
03:34:29,739 --> 03:34:31,000
at times.

3787
03:34:31,000 --> 03:34:33,000
But there was a reason for that.

3788
03:34:33,000 --> 03:34:36,000
And so I want to call your minds to that and remember that.

3789
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:37,000
Thank you.

3790
03:34:37,000 --> 03:34:40,000
Thank you for coming out and sharing your comments.

3791
03:34:40,000 --> 03:34:41,000
This is a public hearing.

3792
03:34:41,000 --> 03:34:45,829
Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come

3793
03:34:45,829 --> 03:34:48,000
forward at this time.

3794
03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:53,000
Anyone else?

3795
03:34:53,000 --> 03:34:56,739
Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and we'll open

3796
03:34:56,739 --> 03:34:59,000
the floor for discussion or a motion.

3797
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:07,000
Commissioner Beck.

3798
03:35:07,000 --> 03:35:09,000
Thank you, Chair.

3799
03:35:09,000 --> 03:35:11,340
I'd like to make a motion, but I'm probably going to need a

3800
03:35:11,340 --> 03:35:13,000
little help from legal here on this.

3801
03:35:13,000 --> 03:35:16,469
Can I approve this subject to the condition that the

3802
03:35:16,469 --> 03:35:22,000
developer has to have a community meeting prior to them

3803
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:25,000
submitting site plans to the PNC?

3804
03:35:25,000 --> 03:35:26,000
Is that legit?

3805
03:35:26,000 --> 03:35:29,000
Can I do that?

3806
03:35:29,000 --> 03:35:34,219
I'm going to say no, because ultimately the decision goes

3807
03:35:34,219 --> 03:35:36,000
to City Council.

3808
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:37,000
Right.

3809
03:35:37,000 --> 03:35:39,170
So you're proving this would push over City Council and

3810
03:35:39,170 --> 03:35:40,000
City Council would.

3811
03:35:40,000 --> 03:35:42,000
Okay.

3812
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:45,979
In that condition, that consideration, I'm going to move

3813
03:35:45,979 --> 03:35:51,000
that we postpone this consideration until there is a

3814
03:35:51,000 --> 03:35:56,000
community meeting with the developer and the community.

3815
03:35:56,000 --> 03:36:00,540
If there's a motion to postpone, there would need to be a

3816
03:36:00,540 --> 03:36:02,000
date certain.

3817
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:03,000
Date certain.

3818
03:36:03,000 --> 03:36:05,000
What's our next PNC?

3819
03:36:05,000 --> 03:36:07,000
December 13th.

3820
03:36:07,000 --> 03:36:10,000
December 13th.

3821
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:21,000
Because I know they want to get moving.

3822
03:36:21,000 --> 03:36:33,000
I have a motion on the floor to postpone.

3823
03:36:33,000 --> 03:36:40,450
If it don't have a second, it will die for lack of a second

3824
03:36:40,450 --> 03:36:41,000
.

3825
03:36:41,000 --> 03:36:43,000
The motion will die for lack of a second.

3826
03:36:43,000 --> 03:36:58,000
The chair will obtain a new motion or further discussion.

3827
03:36:58,000 --> 03:37:00,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

3828
03:37:00,000 --> 03:37:05,000
I make a motion to pass S170010.

3829
03:37:05,000 --> 03:37:08,000
Okay.

3830
03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:10,000
I have a motion for approval.

3831
03:37:10,000 --> 03:37:16,000
Is there a second?

3832
03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:17,000
Commissioner Ellis.

3833
03:37:17,000 --> 03:37:19,000
Yeah, I will go ahead and second.

3834
03:37:19,000 --> 03:37:20,000
Okay.

3835
03:37:20,000 --> 03:37:24,000
We have a first and a second for approval.

3836
03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:28,000
Further discussion?

3837
03:37:28,000 --> 03:37:29,000
Commissioner Ellis.

3838
03:37:29,000 --> 03:37:30,000
Thank you.

3839
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:33,000
My discussion is probably to ask staff.

3840
03:37:33,000 --> 03:37:36,000
A lot of concern with this parking issue on Point Seta.

3841
03:37:36,000 --> 03:37:40,000
Is that something that can be brought up as we do the

3842
03:37:40,000 --> 03:37:44,000
traffic impact study so that perhaps that is not allowed?

3843
03:37:44,000 --> 03:37:46,000
I mean, how can that be addressed?

3844
03:37:46,000 --> 03:37:49,000
Can it be addressed?

3845
03:37:49,000 --> 03:37:52,989
Interestingly, the on-street parking is more of a city

3846
03:37:52,989 --> 03:37:56,000
requirement because of the type of right of way.

3847
03:37:56,000 --> 03:38:00,010
We will make that -- since that isn't something that the

3848
03:38:00,010 --> 03:38:02,000
applicant is proposing,

3849
03:38:02,000 --> 03:38:06,270
we will make sure that that gets into the record at City

3850
03:38:06,270 --> 03:38:07,000
Council.

3851
03:38:07,000 --> 03:38:10,069
And whether we look at that as part of the platting to

3852
03:38:10,069 --> 03:38:11,000
modify that,

3853
03:38:11,000 --> 03:38:15,870
that can be certainly something that's discussed and quite

3854
03:38:15,870 --> 03:38:21,000
honestly would come back to this commission for final plat.

3855
03:38:21,000 --> 03:38:22,000
Continue.

3856
03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:23,000
Commissioner Ellis.

3857
03:38:23,000 --> 03:38:24,000
Thank you, chair.

3858
03:38:24,000 --> 03:38:26,000
Probably should have brought this up earlier.

3859
03:38:26,000 --> 03:38:30,770
There were some conditions that staff put on the approval

3860
03:38:30,770 --> 03:38:32,000
of this SUP.

3861
03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:35,399
So I guess we should perhaps ask Commissioner Sanchez, is

3862
03:38:35,399 --> 03:38:40,000
that part of your motion?

3863
03:38:40,000 --> 03:38:46,569
I assume that they just automatically would be incorporated

3864
03:38:46,569 --> 03:38:47,000
.

3865
03:38:47,000 --> 03:38:52,420
Do we want to get a clarification of exactly what those

3866
03:38:52,420 --> 03:38:56,000
conditions are into the record?

3867
03:38:56,000 --> 03:38:58,000
Certainly.

3868
03:38:58,000 --> 03:39:01,000
So the first condition would be a full site plan.

3869
03:39:01,000 --> 03:39:03,040
Submittal would be required to ensure compliance with the

3870
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:04,000
Denton Development Code.

3871
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:08,209
And the second would be to maintain the muted earth tone

3872
03:39:08,209 --> 03:39:12,000
colors for the exterior building materials.

3873
03:39:12,000 --> 03:39:13,000
Okay.

3874
03:39:13,000 --> 03:39:14,000
Chair.

3875
03:39:14,000 --> 03:39:15,000
Commissioner Beck.

3876
03:39:15,000 --> 03:39:16,000
Thank you.

3877
03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:19,000
I can't push the button here because we're ready to vote.

3878
03:39:19,000 --> 03:39:22,739
I'm going to go ahead and vote with approval on this too

3879
03:39:22,739 --> 03:39:24,000
reluctantly.

3880
03:39:24,000 --> 03:39:27,000
But knowing that this has to go to City Council first,

3881
03:39:27,000 --> 03:39:30,000
again, this is just a recommendation.

3882
03:39:30,000 --> 03:39:33,000
So I want to thank everybody for coming out.

3883
03:39:33,000 --> 03:39:35,000
Sorry, this isn't the news you wanted to hear.

3884
03:39:35,000 --> 03:39:37,000
But I do encourage you to go to City Council.

3885
03:39:37,000 --> 03:39:39,000
Your grievance is there.

3886
03:39:39,000 --> 03:39:41,000
And we'll see what comes out there.

3887
03:39:41,000 --> 03:39:44,000
So thank you.

3888
03:39:44,000 --> 03:39:46,000
Okay.

3889
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:49,000
Any further discussion?

3890
03:39:49,000 --> 03:39:50,000
Okay.

3891
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:53,120
We have a motion on the floor for approval and a second

3892
03:39:53,120 --> 03:39:58,000
with the two conditions in our backup clarified by staff.

3893
03:39:58,000 --> 03:40:07,000
And we'll call for a vote on the board.

3894
03:40:07,000 --> 03:40:11,000
Motion is going to carry four to zero.

3895
03:40:11,000 --> 03:40:17,000
That will take us to our public hearing item E.

3896
03:40:17,000 --> 03:40:24,000
We'll open the public hearing for FR 17-0020.

3897
03:40:24,000 --> 03:40:31,209
And the chair would ask for a motion to continue that item

3898
03:40:31,209 --> 03:40:35,000
to December the 13th.

3899
03:40:35,000 --> 03:40:36,000
Commissioner Ellis.

3900
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:37,000
Thank you, Chair.

3901
03:40:37,000 --> 03:40:42,129
I move to postpone to a date certain of December 13th, item

3902
03:40:42,129 --> 03:40:44,000
FR 17-20.

3903
03:40:44,000 --> 03:40:46,000
Okay.

3904
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:47,000
Commissioner Beck.

3905
03:40:47,000 --> 03:40:48,000
Second.

3906
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:49,000
Okay.

3907
03:40:49,000 --> 03:40:53,200
We have a first and a second to leave this item open and

3908
03:40:53,200 --> 03:40:56,000
continue to date certain December 13th.

3909
03:40:56,000 --> 03:40:59,000
Any further discussion?

3910
03:40:59,000 --> 03:41:06,000
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

3911
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:16,000
That motion is going to carry four to zero.

3912
03:41:16,000 --> 03:41:23,280
That will take us to our final item this evening on our

3913
03:41:23,280 --> 03:41:26,000
project matrix.

3914
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:30,770
Any items to bring before the commission for future

3915
03:41:30,770 --> 03:41:32,000
meetings?

3916
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:36,000
Commissioner Ellis.

3917
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:38,000
You're pointing and I'm going, I don't see you.

3918
03:41:38,000 --> 03:41:40,000
That's all right.

3919
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:42,000
You have a floor.

3920
03:41:42,000 --> 03:41:45,000
Thank you.

3921
03:41:45,000 --> 03:41:48,600
So just want to go on the record by saying I love the fact

3922
03:41:48,600 --> 03:41:51,000
that we had a large sign on Audra.

3923
03:41:51,000 --> 03:41:53,000
That's the first time I've seen the big sign.

3924
03:41:53,000 --> 03:41:55,000
It did, however, not have a date on it.

3925
03:41:55,000 --> 03:41:59,000
So I didn't know if it's supposed to have a date on it.

3926
03:41:59,000 --> 03:42:01,000
But I thought I'd bring that up.

3927
03:42:01,000 --> 03:42:03,879
But the size of the sign was finally one you could actually

3928
03:42:03,879 --> 03:42:05,000
read from the road.

3929
03:42:05,000 --> 03:42:08,000
So we're moving in the right direction.

3930
03:42:08,000 --> 03:42:10,000
Awesome.

3931
03:42:10,000 --> 03:42:12,000
Commissioner Sanchez, did you have something?

3932
03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:17,000
Yeah, I just wanted to mention that I had talked a little

3933
03:42:17,000 --> 03:42:20,000
bit about that comparison chart.

3934
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:24,700
And on the letter that you sent to the, what do you call it

3935
03:42:24,700 --> 03:42:27,000
, the people in the area,

3936
03:42:27,000 --> 03:42:30,700
do you put, you said it's in a website that they can pull

3937
03:42:30,700 --> 03:42:32,000
it up or something?

3938
03:42:32,000 --> 03:42:34,000
And do you put that in their letter?

3939
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:36,690
Or do we decide that you're going to start putting that in

3940
03:42:36,690 --> 03:42:38,000
their letter, right?

3941
03:42:38,000 --> 03:42:42,000
Okay, okay.

3942
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:43,000
Any other items?

3943
03:42:43,000 --> 03:42:44,000
Commissioner Beck?

3944
03:42:44,000 --> 03:42:45,000
You have an item?

3945
03:42:45,000 --> 03:42:46,000
Nothing?

3946
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:49,290
Okay, with that at 930, I will close our meeting this

3947
03:42:49,290 --> 03:42:50,000
evening.

3948
03:42:50,000 --> 03:43:10,000
Thank you everyone for coming out.