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This meeting has been duly posted and we do have a quorum

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present and I will call us to order at 505.

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At this time I will turn the meeting over to Richard for

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clarification of our agenda items and presentations.

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>> Good evening, I just wanted to point out one item is

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going to be moving off of consent.

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That would be item 3C, which is a final plaque.

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This is the Duluth and Northern tool that is going to be

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moving to item 4,

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it will be item 4A, so it will go under items for

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individual consideration.

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And Haley, if you can just come up for a second and

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maybe explain why we're moving it from consent to

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under items under individual consideration.

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>> And I'm sorry, so that we're clear that's going to be a

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sub item of 4A?

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>> Are we taking that up before the alternative development

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plan?

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>> After the alternative.

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>> Okay, so it's a separate item?

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>> Separate item.

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>> So 4B.

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>> 4B.

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>> Okay.

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>> Did I say 4A?

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>> Yes. >> 4B, I'm sorry.

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>> I'm the only one that made it.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay, so this is a final plaque.

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It's fairly straightforward.

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The reasoning for pulling it from the consent agenda is

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that there is a drive location down here on the south side

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that is within text dot right of way.

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And the applicant was not able to get a hold harmless

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agreement executed prior to this meeting.

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Holding the city harmless if their text dot permit is not

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approved after the fact.

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So we're requesting that you will conditionally approve

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this pending that their text dot permit be approved after

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the final plat is approved.

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Or that they complete that hold harmless agreement after

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the fact.

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>> Commissioner Rizal.

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>> Does that mean they couldn't move forward until they get

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the text out of agreement?

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Once they get that, they don't have to come back to us?

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Or can they proceed with their work on a conditional

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approval from us?

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>> This would allow the plat to be approved and then they

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could get that text dot permit approved in the interim

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before their plat is filed.

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>> Okay, thanks.

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>> Commissioner Ellis.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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So from what you're saying, our affirmative vote should

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have that condition behind it.

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Is that correct?

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>> Yes, that is correct.

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>> Okay, thanks.

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Okay.

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Seeing no more other questions, I'll turn it back over to

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Richard for continuing of clarification of our agenda items

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>> 3A, actually Haley, can you mind just kind of going over

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a little bit of item 3A, the Mission Street offices?

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Yes.

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So this is a final plat of a property that you all have

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seen a couple of times before at the corner of Mission

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Street and Fort Worth Drive.

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This final plat is for the first phase of the office park

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development.

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We had an alternative development plan for this property a

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few months ago, and so

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they're now moving forward with phase one of their final

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plat to begin that project.

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>> I think you've got the next two as well if there are

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other questions for B or C.

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>> Not sure where the rotate button ran off to.

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>> Okay, so this is a final plat of Denton Commons.

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I believe we saw the preliminary plat for this site last

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week.

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So they're final platting these two lots at this time for

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the construction of a hotel on lot one.

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>> Any questions for Haley on this item?

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Thank you.

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I move us to C.

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You're next.

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>> That was the one we just discussed, actually.

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>> I'm sorry, you're correct.

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That's been moved to 4B, my bad.

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>> The next final plot that we have is for the Warshin

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addition.

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The property is in the ETJ and it is just a two acre lot to

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accommodate a single family dwelling.

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Be accessed by a private access easement.

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That's in conformance with subchapter 16 of the Denton

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Development Code.

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>> Why are we seeing this?

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Is it ETJ?

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>> The city of Denton still has platting authority within

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the ETJ.

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So in order to get a building permit through the county, we

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wouldn't do the building permit.

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But the plat is run through the city and the city reviews

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it.

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>> Okay, I thought it had to be five lots or something like

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that before we saw it.

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I may be out of step, so thank you.

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>> We don't see many of them, so.

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And then the final one, I did not pull up in this, so let

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me pull it up really quickly.

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>> [INAUDIBLE]

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>> The final plot we have is in Robeson Ranch.

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It's unit 18 one.

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And this plot is just to accommodate a single family

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residential neighborhood in their private street,

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in their open space lots.

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>> Does this have a certain kind of home that can go on?

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I remember we had a lot of discussion on that a number of

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months ago.

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>> It would not be one of the villas, it would just be one

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of their other products,

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just one of their, depending on the lot size and what they

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classify it as.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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Anybody else?

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That's our consent agenda.

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Looks like we'll have, Julie will be here for 4A, the Ross

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Law Office.

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>> All right.

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So I'm presenting ADP 17 to Ross Law Office.

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So request before you is to consider an alternative

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development plan to deviate from sub

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chapter 13 of the DDC, which requires permeable paving for

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excess parking.

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So the subject property is located off of Woodrow Lane, I'm

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sorry,

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south of McKinney, about 275 feet south of McKinney.

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It's about a half acre site and it is located in a CMG

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zoning district.

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Just to walk you through the site plan, the proposal is for

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a professional office about 4,300 square feet.

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The proposed lot coverage, which includes the building, the

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drive aisle, the parking spaces,

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all of the concrete, what rain can't get through, is about

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58.3% of the lot.

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CMG actually allows 80% lot coverage, so it's less than

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what is permitted.

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Sub chapter 14 outlines the parking requirements.

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One space per 450 square feet is required for this use, so

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that's about ten spaces.

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The applicant felt like that wasn't sufficient in order to

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accommodate all of the parking that they needed, so they're

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proposing 15 spaces.

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Sub chapter 13 requires that any spaces over the required

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amount has to be constructed of a pervious surface.

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But sub chapter 13 also allows for a deviation from some of

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these site design requirements,

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provided that the request meets the criteria for approval

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and that the site plan's approved by the Planning and Z

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oning Commission.

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So that's why we're here. So you can see the proposed

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building here in blue.

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That's that 4,300 square foot building, or 4,350.

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And then here are the proposed 15 parking spaces.

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The landscape plan shows a grass channel to be constructed

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adjacent to the additional parking spaces.

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This is intended to be planted with dense grasses, and the

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reason for this is to allow storm water to run off into

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this channel.

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It's designed to remove pollutants, so as the water slowly

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drains through this channel,

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it would pull out some of those pollutants that would be

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suspended within runoff in rain events.

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Yes, sir?

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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So this is going to be, when they design this, this is

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designed to drain to that and then drain into an area that

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will carry it to where?

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Yes, sir.

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To probably, and Jim might be able to speak to that.

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I would assume to the street is where they might be

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draining to, but maybe he can-

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To our sewage system?

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Yeah.

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Either storm sewer or the street.

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Okay.

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So it's going to drain out towards Woodrow then, I assume?

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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And we'll go over the drainage- he's nodding, so yes, sir.

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Okay.

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We'll go over the drainage plan in just a minute.

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So the intent of this, and I guess I should back up, the

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intent of why we have these pervious surface requirements

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in subchapter 13

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is to ensure that the parking areas have, that they don't

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overly impact the environment with the pollutants suspended

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in the runoff.

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Also to ensure that any visual impacts associated with the

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parking, the additional parking would be mitigated.

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So in this sense, it's just five spaces.

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It's a pretty small area.

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And so by putting in this channel here, it would address

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those environmental impacts of those additional parking

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spaces.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I just- something struck me curious about this, it seems.

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And correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe you don't know if

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you don't, that's fine.

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But the cost of- wouldn't the cost of adding five more

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impervious parking spaces be a little bit more than not?

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In other words, if they just put gravel there, that would

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be pervious.

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Right.

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I got to always think about it.

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But if they- and the fact that they've got to condition

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this area now where the water is going to drain out,

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it seems like cost-wise, it would be cheaper to do the per

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vious.

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I don't know what the balance sheet would be on both of

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those.

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I know that gravel would not be a permitted surface for

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parking in this area due to the zoning classification.

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So it would have to be something-

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It would have to be like grass creed or a pervious concrete

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or brick or some sort of paver.

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Gotcha.

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Okay, thanks.

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Commissioner Smith.

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Questions be answered.

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Thank you, Commissioner.

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All right, and then here's the drainage plan.

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And as you can see, the purple, there's some arrows here

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showing that the runoff is intended to drain toward this

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grass channel.

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So the considerations that staff looked at when we analyzed

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the request is, first of all, what is the intent of the

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requirement?

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And that's to ensure that we reduce negative effects

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associated with extra parking like pollutants and dirt

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packs.

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We also looked at the proposal against the criteria for

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approval and staff has determined it meets the criteria for

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approval.

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We'll just go over those briefly.

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First, preserve existing neighborhoods.

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Because this is a commercial area, this request is not

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anticipated to negatively impact the area.

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To assure quality development, the request is not to lower

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design standards, but

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just to adequately park the property and make sure that

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they have enough spaces for their employees and clients.

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To focus new development to activity centers, the location

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of this proposal is on an undeveloped lot adjacent to an

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existing secondary arterial and existing commercial

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development.

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So this wouldn't produce sprawl.

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It's gonna stay localized in an existing commercial area.

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To ensure that infrastructure can accommodate the

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development, the necessary infrastructure is in place.

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You have adequate access.

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And then it results in a high quality development meeting

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the intent of the standards.

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So the intent of the standard is to make sure that we

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accommodate for that additional parking.

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The proposal exceeds the lot coverage requirements.

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And it also by proposing this grass channel will mitigate

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for

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any environmental impacts associated with that additional

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parking.

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Also staff- >> Commissioner Smith.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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>> Just a quick question on this.

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So this is gonna be on their private property, correct?

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So the upkeep is gonna be left to the property owner,

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correct?

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It's not gonna be like the median of a street where it's

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gonna be the city's responsibility?

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>> Yes, sir. >> Okay, thank you.

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>> And then also because this is a secondary- >>

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Commissioner Sullivan.

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>> While we're there.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Is there a soil survey that's been done?

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I mean, the reason I'm asking is if it's clay, it's not

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gonna absorb much water.

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It's gonna go straight to the curb.

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So I don't see where pollutants are gonna be removed.

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If it's sandy loam, then obviously there's gonna be much

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more absorption going in.

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And if this is really designed to take the place of a

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simple retention area,

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where they just dig a hole, let the water go, and then

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eventually seep into the ground.

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I'm just wondering why that's not an alternative that would

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be less expensive,

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talking about the different types of materials to put on

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the ground and

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to do what they were really wanting to do, which is remove

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the pollutants from the cars or what have you.

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>> Well, and I don't know about what kind of retention or

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detention that they would need regarding the site.

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That's being reviewed with our engineering department.

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This really is just to accommodate for these additional

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parking spaces.

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This channel has been reviewed by our water administration

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and how they're proposing to design it.

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And so they feel that it meets the requirements in order to

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make sure that it's gonna do what they want it to do.

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And part of that was that they felt like the runoff was

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going to get to the channel and drain out too quickly.

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And so that's why the dense grass requirement was important

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to slow down that water and

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allow the water to percolate down so that it drains more

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slowly and it can capture those pollutants.

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And our final point of analysis was to look at the street

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classification of Woodrow and

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the fact that parking isn't permitted on there.

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So really they do need to accommodate that excess parking

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on their site to ensure that they have that sufficient

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capacity.

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So we feel like that was something that they needed to

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accommodate for.

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So based upon the criteria for approval and the

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considerations that we just discussed,

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staff does recommend approval of the request with the

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following conditions to construct the grass channel

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designed to treat approximately 972 square feet of drainage

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area during

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an event generating 1.5 inches of rain or less as depicted

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on the landscape plan and drainage area map.

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And align that channel with dense types of grasses to

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reduce the flow velocity and

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increase the treatment residence time as depicted on the

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landscape plan.

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So I'll stand for any questions.

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>> Commissioner Roselle.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Was the applicant already planning to put in this drainage

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control prior to needing the ADP?

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>> The applicant should be here tonight.

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I don't know if that's something that they were planning on

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doing prior to the alternate.

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>> Do you know if they're agreeable to such conditions?

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>> You might want to check with them, but it is something

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that we've worked with them and

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this was something that they submitted to us, so.

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>> And then the last question I have is if this is 810

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square feet for the parking spaces,

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if they were to increase the size of their building by 810

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square feet, that doesn't require an ADP?

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>> No, sir.

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>> And that would obviously be impermeable material.

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>> So because it's a parking space, that's what has the ADP

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?

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> Okay, I'd be interested to know their willingness to do

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all this, not all this, but these two extra steps.

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But I can talk to them at meeting, thanks.

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>> Sure.

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>> Commissioner Sanchez.

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>> Yeah, I was looking at that.

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What he just mentioned is as far as why give them an extra,

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it seems like they have extra work to do simply because

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they're adding five parking lots,

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parking spaces when they have, they've only met what is it,

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53% without it, the way it stands.

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And so they haven't met the 80%.

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So it seems like we're giving them more work or giving them

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, like he just said, it doesn't seem right.

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I mean, we should make things easier.

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If they haven't met the 80%, then they should be, because,

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okay,

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because they haven't met that 80%, then they should still

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be able to build enough parking spots until they cover that

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.

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So it just doesn't make sense to me why we would enforce

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something based on,

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because we also have not looked at the soil that was

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previously mentioned on the periphery of a parking.

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Area.

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And so we're just throwing an arbitrary, seems like an

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arbitrary number, say 80%.

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Okay, this is what we're going to give you based on what,

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what if you have clay on the outskirts,

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on the perimeter of the parking lot, or what if you have

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soil,

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would that make it increase the permeability or the area

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that can be covered?

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So there's a lot of stuff there that, you know, has a

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little bit of concern.

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So I throw more work on the individual when our job, it

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seems like, is to not necessarily give them a pass,

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but not to add additional cost to the project based on just

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because they have five extra parking spots.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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My question is probably really for either Richard or

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Jennifer.

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I've noticed in options down here, it says approved

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submitted or approved subject to conditions.

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Seems like it's submitted with the conditions, so I would,

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it seems redundant.

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So, I mean, I don't see this being a problem and approved.

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I would like to make sure the conditions are applied.

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But so if I did one, would I be negating the conditions if

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we approved it?

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I think that's approved as submitted by the applicant

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originally, which did not include those conditions,

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but they were developed over time through negotiation.

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Okay, okay. Got you.

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All right. So that's something to keep in mind when we cast

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a vote.

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Commissioner Ellis.

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Thank you, Chair.

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With regard to what Commissioner Sanchez said, which makes

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total sense,

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but doesn't the code limit us from saying because you're

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only developing 53%, we can negate this?

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I'm assuming we're somewhat handcuffed here with...

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We still have to come to you with a...

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With the parking.

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And ensure that it meets the criteria for approval.

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So, yes, it's something that is put into the code that we

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have to follow.

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Right. And there's nothing that would allow us to say we

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don't have to do this because you're 30% under lot coverage

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.

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I mean, is there any way we can...

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Staff doesn't have the authority to do that in Richard.

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I mean, with respect to this kind of item, we're sort of...

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Our hands are sort of...

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We're locked in.

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Obviously, it would be much better if there were some

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thresholds and some de minimis where if you were only...

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If you were less than 60% coverage, you can go... You can

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add additional parking up to a certain percentage.

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Unfortunately, it wasn't... I think the intention was good,

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but that sort of one size fits all doesn't fit all.

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We are putting together an item, just food for thought,

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with respect to parking and parking maximums, which this

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kind of situation is very similar to City Council.

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I believe it's November 14th.

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So we will sort of be bringing this up under that item.

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Just...

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And if we're going forward with our code rewrite, then this

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is certainly something to take into consideration that we

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can write in there.

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So that we can perhaps alleviate them from having to do

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this and have that kind of power.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Just as a legal matter, and before the Chair takes over, I

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just...

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And I'm not sure about the percentages or whatever, but

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whenever we do an alternative development plan,

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we're allowing them to do something they would normally be

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allowed to do in exchange for something that benefits the

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city.

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So if you don't have an exchange of benefit, then there's

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really no alternative development plan.

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It's more like a variance of sorts.

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So it wouldn't go in front of this body.

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But what they're doing is saying, we'll give you this in

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order to get this.

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And so that's why the requirement...

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So, you know, something that they've negotiated.

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And I think I'm going to step in here now, right?

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I could feel the vibe of all the conversation.

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I know one of the things that we've tried to do as this

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commission during work session is get a general background

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of the items.

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And then when we're going to have more detailed discussions

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and things, we would prefer to have those in our public

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session in front of folks.

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And so I think if there's something that's a very

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straightforward clarification on this item, we'll take that

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.

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And if we're going to get into some of these other, let's

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finish it up in council.

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Commissioner Smith.

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Thank you, Chair.

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We are going to see this as a consent agenda item before

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final plotting, correct?

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After this?

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No, this is the individual consideration for this.

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And then it will.

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And in fact, it's a plotted lot.

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It was a minor plot because the public improvements weren't

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required in association with it.

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So this will be the last time you see it.

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Yes, sir.

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Any other clarifications on this item?

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Okay.

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And we've Haley will be back for 4B.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one trying to keep up with

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musical chairs here on the agenda.

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All right.

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4B we discussed briefly earlier.

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This is the plot where they did not get their whole

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harmless agreement put in place before it came to you.

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For this outstanding text up permit that they're seeking.

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If you have any other questions about the plot, I'd be glad

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to answer them at this time.

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Thank you, Haley.

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That's going to move us to our public hearing section.

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And I believe A and B are both going to be postponed.

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We're not going to have a presentation on those and skip on

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the C, correct?

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So Julie.

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All right.

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This is a replat.

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I don't know how to turn it either.

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So this property is situated east of downtown.

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It is currently two lots that they are replatting into one.

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And that it's current, I'm sorry, it's one lot they're

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plotting into two lots with an access easement.

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It's developed with an industrial use.

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Any question?

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I think if everybody looks like we're searching, make sure

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everybody has an opportunity to ask a question if they have

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one on this item.

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No? Okay.

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All right.

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And then next one.

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And D.

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All right.

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And this property is adjacent to Highway 380, south of 380.

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It is partially in the ETJ and partially within the city.

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The portion that's within the city has an NR2 zoning

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designation.

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They are requesting, it is currently plotted as all one lot

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.

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They're requesting a replat to subdivide it into two lots

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with an access easement in the back for residential

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development.

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Commissioner Beck.

00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:07.799
Thank you, Chair.

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This area looks like it's going to benefit from our

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mobility plan when I guess what is it, post oak road, the

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six lane road comes through there.

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So is this in anticipation of that?

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I am not sure what their intent is other than just to

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subdivide the lot for residential development.

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So I'm not sure.

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That will be up.

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Right now they're not zoned for a commercial use.

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So if they did have an anticipation for some sort of rede

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velopment that would include some something of a more

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intensity than two dwelling units per acre, then you would

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of course see it again.

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All right.

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That is going to be a primary arterial that's coming

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through there.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Yes, sir.

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All right.

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Thanks.

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Sure.

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Commissioner Sanchez.

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So I was looking at that.

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I kind of made the sense that maybe this lane that you did

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that front side because it's right next to 380.

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Yes, sir.

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Do you have your microphone on?

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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As I was looking at that.

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You got the glowing globe here.

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As I was looking at that, it kind of made sense to me to

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divide it because that close the front part belongs is on 3

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80.

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And if you wanted to sell it, I mean that would bring in I

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mean as an investor, that's probably what he's looking at.

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I mean I'm just thinking about that.

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Sure.

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And the backside, if you want to sell it altogether,

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probably bring the price down.

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So he's probably looking at that front end of it as a much

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more expensive piece of property.

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It does have that frontage.

00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:42.359
Yes, sir.

00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.960
Yes, that frontage is very important.

00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.079
Any other questions on this item?

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:51.799
Thank you, Julie.

00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:52.200
Thank you.

00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.480
Move us to item E and looks like Haley will present that.

00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.880
All right.

00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.759
So this is a replat of a single lot at the time located on

00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:16.160
the south side, I'm sorry, on the east side of Dakota Lane,

00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.680
that's south of Airport Road.

00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:23.039
And the intent of the plot is to split this existing single

00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:24.680
lot into two lots.

00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:25.559
What's seen here as lot two is currently developed with an

00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.750
industrial use and then lot one is undeveloped at this time

00:28:29.750 --> 00:28:32.759
.

00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:35.079
Can answer any questions.

00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:39.720
Commissioner Beck.

00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:40.359
Thank you, Chair.

00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:45.480
Okay, so those lots are up against Dakota, is that right?

00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:47.240
Yes, sir.

00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.319
The orientation is a little strange.

00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.980
North is off here on the right side of the page, Dakota

00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:52.440
Lane.

00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.880
Do you have the Google map showing the physical character?

00:28:57.880 --> 00:28:58.119
No.

00:28:58.119 --> 00:28:59.640
I can get to that if you'd like me to.

00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.880
Well, isn't there a building on one of those lots now?

00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:04.680
Yes, sir.

00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.559
Lot two has an existing industrial development on it.

00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.799
I believe it's here in this portion of the lot.

00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.279
Okay, and that's not going to be impacted by this change?

00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:14.119
No, I believe that's staying the same.

00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.240
They're just subdividing off the property next to them.

00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:18.279
Okay, thanks.

00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.240
Any other questions on this item?

00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.519
Okay, we'll stay with Haley for item F.

00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:41.480
All right, so this is case Z1723 for the COPE addition.

00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.000
This request is to hold a public hearing and consider a

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.519
request for an initial zoning of

00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.500
neighborhood residential six on a property that is

00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:54.119
approximately 16.39 acres.

00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.809
It's located here at this northeast corner of Mayhill and

00:29:56.809 --> 00:29:57.559
Mills Road.

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:01.799
Looking at what's in the area,

00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.650
you can see there's a mixture of things going on in this

00:30:04.650 --> 00:30:05.079
area.

00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.759
So we have the subject property and some other properties

00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.599
to the east are zoned RD5X.

00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.319
That's our placeholder zoning designation after a property

00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.599
has been annexed into the city.

00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.680
Within that, we have a variety of residential uses.

00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.000
There's some commercial uses and auto repair here north of

00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.720
the property.

00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.640
There's also some property in this immediate vicinity that

00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:26.759
's still within the ETJ,

00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.599
so it hasn't yet been annexed into the city.

00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.859
Much of that is undeveloped, but there are some existing

00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.480
residences to the east of the subject

00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.680
property. Across Mayhill and to the south on Mills, we have

00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.640
our ECI district, so Employment Center

00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.420
Industrial. This is again developed with a variety of

00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.319
things. We have a Denton ISD facility here to

00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.160
the south and then a variety of industrial uses across May

00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.079
hill and there are even some

00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.359
single-family residences along Mayhill as well. Also to the

00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.119
south, we have our neighborhood

00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.079
residential 2 district. That's our lowest intensity

00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.079
residential district and that's actually

00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.259
developed right now with Ryan High School and some other

00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:06.440
Denton ISD has a bus facility here to the

00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:09.609
south that you can see. And then there's a small parcel of

00:31:09.609 --> 00:31:11.640
NR6 in this area as well that's actually

00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.730
developed with an industrial use at this time. Looking at

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.599
the future land use map for this area,

00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.349
you can see the subject property and everything to the

00:31:21.349 --> 00:31:23.559
north of it along Mayhill Road is designated

00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.880
for moderate residential. So that's a designation that's

00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.000
intended to promote a little bit more

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.599
compact single-family development primarily between 4 and

00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.440
12 dwelling units per acre.

00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:38.950
And it's often intended to serve as a transition, which we

00:31:38.950 --> 00:31:40.839
see in this case here because we have

00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.049
business innovation and community mixed use to the west

00:31:44.049 --> 00:31:45.720
along Mayhill Road. And then this

00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.569
moderate residential would serve as a transition to lower

00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:51.000
density residential development to the east.

00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:55.400
Just looking at the mobility and what we have going on in

00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.359
the area, Mayhill Road is a primary

00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.450
arterial that adjoins the property on the west side. There

00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:03.400
are currently plans for the expansion

00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.690
of realignment of Mayhill. On the south side we have Mills

00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:09.319
Road, which is designated as a collector.

00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.000
Right now it's a relatively unimproved road, a two lanes

00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.720
undivided. And the requirements for

00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.019
this development making improvements on Mills Road would be

00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:21.000
assessed at the time of platting.

00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.019
Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Does the City see any

00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:28.680
problem with that?

00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.119
Needs an assessment depending on an ultimate development

00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:37.880
proposal. Does the City see any

00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.950
problems with this? Not at this time. We haven't seen you

00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:44.279
know what their final plans would be

00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.970
in terms of density. I know their intent is for single-

00:32:46.970 --> 00:32:50.279
family homes. But once they get to that

00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.440
preliminary platting stage we would look more closely at

00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.720
what they're proposing and what

00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.700
infrastructure improvements are needed on Mills. Okay, but

00:32:57.700 --> 00:32:59.880
I mean knowing what's probably going to

00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:06.259
go on there. Do we not anticipate any problems? At this

00:33:06.259 --> 00:33:09.880
time I don't think we've looked at it

00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.779
that closely yet. That's not typically a consideration with

00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:14.039
zoning. But we do know that

00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.740
that infrastructure assessment will be done and that that

00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:18.200
will have to be addressed when the

00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.759
property is plotted. And this may be for you. But what's

00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.680
the timeline? I know we're widening

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.640
Mayhill but what's the timeline like on it for that area?

00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:26.119
Do we know?

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:30.279
Hello.

00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:39.000
Yes sir. The overall project is actually under construction

00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.960
now. Okay. Some utility relocations

00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.559
and some portions of the road I believe. And it's currently

00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.960
anticipated that that overall may

00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.140
hill project construction will be completed for around

00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:55.480
summer of 2019. Okay. Very good. Thanks.

00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.609
Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. Jim, stay up there. In

00:34:00.609 --> 00:34:04.440
regards to the alignment and the

00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.150
expansion of Mayhill, has there already been discussion

00:34:07.150 --> 00:34:08.679
about what effects it's going to

00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.659
have on the collector and the secondary arterials that

00:34:11.659 --> 00:34:14.199
connect into Mayhill? In this instance,

00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.329
this collector of Mills Road, is that going to have to be

00:34:17.329 --> 00:34:19.159
expanded along some future

00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.519
conversation because we're going to be expanding Mayhill?

00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:31.239
They have, on our mobility plan, it shows Mills to remain

00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.679
as a collector ultimately. That's how

00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.269
it's currently designated now even though it's a very

00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:43.559
narrow road. The intersection right of way

00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:48.300
dedication acquisition that was acquired as part of the May

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:51.400
hill Road project is shown accurately

00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:56.309
on the applicant's initial submittal that they came in. But

00:34:56.309 --> 00:34:59.320
there's, to my knowledge, and I did

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.440
check on this internally, I don't believe the city has any

00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:04.440
plans for any capital improvements

00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.599
projects to Mills Road. What's the traditional standard

00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.800
whenever we do an expansion of a primary

00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.719
arterial road? Is it going to be a stoplight for collectors

00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.599
? Is it just a stop sign for collectors

00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.010
to turn on to the primary arterial? It's really site

00:35:18.010 --> 00:35:21.719
specific. Is it? Yes. We have made the comment

00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.239
to the applicant here already that we're going to need to

00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.480
see their trip generation numbers

00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.550
and we're going to have to look at that when we get into

00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:32.599
preliminary planning. Their initial

00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.829
written submittal to us a few months ago had a certain

00:35:35.829 --> 00:35:38.360
number of lots and then I think they've

00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:43.409
talked since about increasing that a bit. So we will look

00:35:43.409 --> 00:35:47.079
at that closely. I don't really have a

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.079
pat answer for that. It's kind of site specific. So that

00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.280
site specific, that conversation happens

00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.420
after you see those trip gen numbers to say, hey, we think

00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:55.880
there's going to be a lot of movements.

00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.690
We're going to require you to expand and to help pay for

00:35:59.690 --> 00:36:02.360
stop sign or stoplight. There can actually

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:05.320
be an intersection there rather than a stop sign turn on to

00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.079
a very busy, about to be a very busy

00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.489
primary arterial. All right. Thank you. Commissioner San

00:36:10.489 --> 00:36:14.199
chez, again, this is just a zoning case. So

00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.150
we're kind of getting off into platting but zoning only on

00:36:18.150 --> 00:36:21.159
this item at this time. All right.

00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:27.079
My concern was Mills Road and the way if it's not going to

00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.280
be widened or any work is going to be done

00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.469
to it because the school is just down from there, right?

00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:36.760
And some of those students are going to be

00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.500
walking up and down that street and that can be dangerous.

00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:42.920
McKinney right now has, there's been

00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:47.130
several accidents, a couple of students being hit right on

00:36:47.130 --> 00:36:49.880
McKinney Street because they walk along

00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.510
the side of the road. Well, we have not said that there won

00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:54.119
't be any improvements to Mills Road.

00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.679
Okay. Mills Road is one of them. That is something we have

00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.119
identified as a possibility. Again,

00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.070
and we would look at that more thoroughly at the at the at

00:37:06.070 --> 00:37:09.960
the planning stage. In actual fact,

00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:16.010
just last night there was a presentation made to city

00:37:16.010 --> 00:37:19.079
council public hearing and

00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.400
it was approved for incorporation to our transportation

00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:25.960
design criteria manual clarifying

00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.840
what the perimeter street improvement policy is as part of

00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.599
our new roadway impact fee ordinance.

00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.559
We will definitely be looking at that here in this case and

00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.559
just on every project going forward.

00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.679
Any other questions for Jim on this and if not we'll get

00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.000
back to Haley on the zoning portion of this

00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:58.500
item. All right, almost to the end here. Notification was

00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:00.039
sent about this case.

00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.050
We sent 13 notices to the properties within 200 feet and 20

00:38:04.050 --> 00:38:07.320
to those within 500. One came in just

00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.880
this afternoon and I placed that on your table for you. It

00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:12.760
was in opposition and that property

00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.659
owner is located here just to the northeast of the property

00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:17.800
. Thank you for doing that. That helps.

00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.650
And based on the discussion that we've had here and the the

00:38:22.650 --> 00:38:26.039
compatibility with the future land use

00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.449
and the mixture of uses in this area, staff is recommending

00:38:29.449 --> 00:38:31.079
approval of this request and

00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.389
you can answer any other questions at this time. Great,

00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:38.599
thank you Haley. Good presentation.

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:40.280
I believe that will end our public hearing item. So with

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:48.920
that, unless Simone has anything

00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.920
else, I will close our work session at 5 45 and we will

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.599
reconvene in council chambers at 6 30. Thank you everyone.

00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:06.440
Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and

00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.559
Zoning Commission meeting

00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.480
for October the 25th 2017. This meeting has been duly

00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.239
posted and we do have a quorum present and

00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.119
I will call us to order at 6 30. Our first order of

00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.440
business will be to stand and give the pledge

00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:30.110
to the U.S. and the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the

00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:33.239
flag of the United States of America

00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.789
and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under

00:39:37.789 --> 00:39:41.400
God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:50.500
I, the Texas flag, pledge allegiance to the Texas one state

00:39:50.500 --> 00:39:53.239
under God, one indivisible.

00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.019
This will take us to our next item on our agenda will be to

00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:10.119
consider approval of the Planning

00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.829
and Zoning Commission minutes and I'll take these in two

00:40:13.829 --> 00:40:16.519
separate motions in case we have any changes.

00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.449
Commissioner Smith. A motion to approve. For the 27th? For

00:40:22.449 --> 00:40:23.320
the 27th, yes sir. Okay.

00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.030
Commissioner Back. Second. Okay we have a first and a

00:40:27.030 --> 00:40:28.440
second for approval.

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.420
Is there any discussion or changes need to be made to the

00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:33.079
minutes?

00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.000
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on board.

00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:50.329
Okay so we just have an error on the read. It should be

00:40:50.329 --> 00:41:01.719
seven yes and no opposed. Motion passes.

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.840
I move us to our second item on our minutes. Commissioner

00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:12.519
Smith. Thank you chair. A motion

00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.739
to approve October 11th minutes. Okay. Commissioner Ellis.

00:41:15.739 --> 00:41:17.880
Thank you. I will second that. Okay we have

00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.079
a first and a second for approval. Any discussion or

00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.880
changes that need to be made to the minutes?

00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.360
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on board.

00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:44.840
The motion is going to carry six to zero with one recuse.

00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.800
That will move us to our consent agenda

00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:54.679
and before announce that we do have one item, item C FP 17-

00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.760
0021 that is going to be moved to our

00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:04.090
individual consideration agenda and it will become item 4B.

00:42:04.090 --> 00:42:09.559
So we will be considering A, B, D, and E

00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.199
for our consent agenda. Chair would enter. Commissioner

00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.039
Smith. Thank you chair. A motion to

00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.159
approve our consent agenda as written. Okay. Commissioner

00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.639
Rossell. I second. Okay we have a

00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.320
first and a second. Any discussion? Just for the record,

00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.440
you mean not as written but as

00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.880
modified by the chair. Modified by the chair. Okay. Thank

00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.639
you for the clarification. Any other

00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:41.590
discussion on this item? Seeing none, I'll call for a vote

00:42:41.590 --> 00:42:44.599
on the board for approval of the consent

00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:55.309
agenda as modified. That motion is going to carry seven

00:42:55.309 --> 00:43:04.119
zero. That will move us to item four, our

00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.900
items for individual consideration and I will call on Julie

00:43:08.900 --> 00:43:11.480
White for presentation of item A ADP 17-0021.

00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:15.639
Item number 002.

00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.579
Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt and I am presenting ADP 17-2

00:43:28.579 --> 00:43:30.599
Ross Law Office.

00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:34.699
The request before you is to consider an alternative

00:43:34.699 --> 00:43:38.280
development plan to DVA from subchapter 13

00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.579
regarding the requirement for permeable paving for excess

00:43:42.579 --> 00:43:43.480
parking.

00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.150
The subject property is located on the east side of Woodrow

00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:50.039
. It's south of McKinney, approximately

00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:55.539
275 feet and it is located in a CMG zoning district and

00:43:55.539 --> 00:43:59.639
this CMG zoning district permits an 80%

00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.309
lot coverage. So that's something you'll want to know for

00:44:02.309 --> 00:44:04.360
later in the presentation. So here's the

00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.960
site plan. The proposal is a professional office about 4,

00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.239
300 square feet. They're actually proposing

00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.130
with their office, their parking, their drive aisle, all of

00:44:14.130 --> 00:44:16.679
the impervious surface. They're proposing a

00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:21.159
53.8% lot coverage. Subchapter 14 outlines the parking

00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.559
requirements for development in the city

00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.030
of Denton and professional services and offices require one

00:44:27.030 --> 00:44:29.480
space per 450 square feet of gross

00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:33.260
floor area. So that equals to 10 spaces for this use. The

00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:36.440
applicant, however, would like to provide

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:41.219
15 spaces in order to accommodate their development. Subch

00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:44.199
apter 13 requires that all parking spaces

00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.610
over the required number be constructed of a pervious

00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:50.760
surface. However, subchapter 13 also

00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.289
allows an alternative development plan if they want to vary

00:44:54.289 --> 00:44:56.760
or deviate from those site design

00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.059
requirements provided that the development meets the

00:44:59.059 --> 00:45:00.920
criteria for approval and is approved by the

00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.940
Planning and Zoning Commission. As part of the proposal,

00:45:04.940 --> 00:45:07.159
there is a landscape plan and that

00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:11.139
includes a grass channel adjacent to the additional parking

00:45:11.139 --> 00:45:13.880
spaces. It is to be planted or is proposed

00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.030
to be planted with dense grasses and the intent is to be

00:45:17.030 --> 00:45:19.239
designed to remove pollutants that would

00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.550
be suspended in the runoff produced by that excess pavement

00:45:23.550 --> 00:45:25.880
. This is intended to reduce the

00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.289
environmental impact of those additional parking spaces.

00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:31.480
And here's their drainage plan and that

00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.219
depicts how this water is going to drain. As you can see by

00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:37.960
the purple arrows, the drainage is

00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.059
intended to go toward that grass channel. So the

00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:45.880
considerations that staff looked at when we analyzed

00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.789
the request was first what is the intent of the pervious

00:45:48.789 --> 00:45:52.599
parking requirement. We typically look

00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.809
at that the intent is to minimize any environmental impacts

00:45:56.809 --> 00:45:59.639
associated with additional parking and

00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.909
then also any visual impacts. In this case, five spaces is

00:46:02.909 --> 00:46:05.079
pretty small so the visual impacts weren't

00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.070
as germane as maybe the environmental impacts. So we looked

00:46:08.070 --> 00:46:09.559
at the criteria for approval

00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.039
and we felt that it met the criteria for approval what they

00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.159
were proposing and we'll just go over

00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:20.159
those quickly. First, preserve existing neighborhoods. This

00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:21.960
proposal is not anticipated

00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.539
to negatively impact the area. It's already a commercial

00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.280
area with lots of offices and retail

00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:30.250
uses. Assure quality development. The proposed five extra

00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:32.199
spaces are not intended to design to lower

00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.219
design standards but just to accommodate the additional

00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:37.239
parking. Focus new development on

00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.969
activity centers. The site location is on an undeveloped

00:46:40.969 --> 00:46:43.320
lot in an existing commercial area

00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.530
and adjacent to an already constructed arterial. So this is

00:46:47.530 --> 00:46:49.960
focusing that development toward an

00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.400
existing commercial area. Ensure infrastructure can

00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.360
accommodate development. There is adequate

00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:58.789
infrastructure in the area to accommodate it and there

00:46:58.789 --> 00:47:00.519
results in a high quality development that

00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:05.139
meets the intent of the requirement and based on what we've

00:47:05.139 --> 00:47:07.400
talked about the lot coverage,

00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.650
what they're proposing, the 53% lot coverage that exceeds

00:47:10.650 --> 00:47:13.800
the requirement for or the standard for

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.449
the CMG zoning district and then also that grass channel

00:47:17.449 --> 00:47:20.119
that we discussed that meets the intent

00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.449
of why we have these parking maximums or these pervious

00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:27.320
surfaces to ensure that we minimize the

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.840
amount of pollutants. And then also we looked at just why

00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.840
they would need the parking and

00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:36.849
this property is located adjacent to an arterial which

00:47:36.849 --> 00:47:39.800
doesn't allow for parking on the street. So

00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.360
they really do need to accommodate their parking on site.

00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:43.880
They need to have sufficient parking

00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.380
to ensure the safety of the visitors and the employees. So

00:47:47.380 --> 00:47:49.079
with that being said, staff

00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.719
recommends approval of the request with the following

00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.800
conditions. First that they construct

00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:57.340
the grass channel as we discussed to treat approximately 97

00:47:57.340 --> 00:47:59.719
2 square feet of drainage area

00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.599
in an event generating one and a half inches of rain or

00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:04.760
less as depicted on the landscape plan

00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.929
and drainage map. And then also align that channel with

00:48:08.929 --> 00:48:11.480
some dense grasses to slow the velocity of

00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.789
the water and ensure that there's a proper amount of time

00:48:15.789 --> 00:48:18.440
that that water stays in the channel so

00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.739
the pollutants can be removed from that water. So I'll

00:48:21.739 --> 00:48:23.239
stand for any questions.

00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.889
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. Julie, in regards to

00:48:28.889 --> 00:48:30.199
the construction of these grass

00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.760
channels, usually is there a retaining wall that holds this

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:34.760
grass? Like it's not going to be the grass

00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.369
up against other undeveloped land that it's being built

00:48:37.369 --> 00:48:39.880
next to, correct? Let's look at that.

00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.769
Because on that very top line there that's against other

00:48:42.769 --> 00:48:44.840
undeveloped land, is there a retaining wall?

00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.400
What is, how does that look? They're not proposing a

00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.480
retaining wall. It would just be... Is it curved

00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.269
off? Is it just grass and then it's undeveloped land next

00:48:52.269 --> 00:48:54.760
to it? It would be. There will be a

00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.510
depression there. So it'll channel the water there. But yes

00:48:58.510 --> 00:49:00.679
, it would just then be adjacent to that

00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:06.130
property. Thanks. Commissioner Rossell. Thank you, Chair. I

00:49:06.130 --> 00:49:08.119
had some questions about this in work

00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:11.889
session about the requirements and we might be tied here

00:49:11.889 --> 00:49:14.440
with the code when it comes to ADPs.

00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:17.980
Maybe a question, I'm not sure, Julie, if it's for you or

00:49:17.980 --> 00:49:19.559
maybe it's for legal.

00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.519
Is it possible to have an ADP without conditions placed on

00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.559
it? I am going to let legal answer that.

00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.679
Generally the conditions are part of the plan. That's why

00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:35.800
it's an alternative plan.

00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.019
My understanding is this was submitted without any

00:49:39.019 --> 00:49:39.320
conditions.

00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:42.610
And then the city added the conditions. I think it's

00:49:42.610 --> 00:49:45.239
because in our code it actually states that

00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.469
if you want to vary from the parking standards, it requires

00:49:48.469 --> 00:49:50.039
an ADP and it only provides the

00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.820
criteria by which you're supposed to review those requests.

00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:56.519
But we have to have some,

00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.619
a stricter standard or a heightened level of design in

00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:05.480
order for it to qualify. And to do that,

00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.599
we had to add the conditions. So it's almost like it goes

00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.079
hand in hand. When you see most ADPs,

00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:16.079
they have designs that aren't normally required by our code

00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.440
and this is just one of those. So

00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.599
here we've listed as conditions. I'm not, you know, I'm not

00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.920
sure how they originally submitted it.

00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.510
So. And in terms of planning staff, when we look at these,

00:50:28.510 --> 00:50:30.440
we do look at the intent of why that

00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.590
requirement is there. So why you would need pervious

00:50:34.590 --> 00:50:37.719
parking for spaces that were in excess of what

00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.260
was required. And so we work with the applicant to try to

00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:44.920
come up with a site plan and a design

00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:48.710
that will meet the intent of that requirement while still,

00:50:48.710 --> 00:50:51.400
you know, if approved by city count

00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.800
or by the planning and zoning commission would allow them

00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.480
to move forward with their development

00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.139
in a way that they need to develop it. But to have type

00:50:59.139 --> 00:51:01.800
interventions that allow it to meet that

00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:06.349
requirement. Sure. That makes sense. My take on this is

00:51:06.349 --> 00:51:09.639
they're substantially under the lot coverage

00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.530
to begin with and under code they could build a larger

00:51:12.530 --> 00:51:15.079
building without any ADP requirement. They

00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.510
could have a lot more impervious structures on their lot

00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:22.119
without requiring an ADP. But because

00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.949
it's fallen under this parking, it seems to be this kind of

00:51:25.949 --> 00:51:27.800
nuance of the code in which if they

00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.119
want additional parking, they'd have to do an ADP. I think

00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.239
it'd be most productive rather than me

00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:37.550
trying to think about these conditions as required or not.

00:51:37.550 --> 00:51:40.199
Is the applicant here who can speak to

00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.239
the willingness? Yes, please.

00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.289
Good afternoon. Please state your name and address and step

00:51:49.289 --> 00:51:50.760
over here for the mic for us.

00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:56.039
John A. Ross Jr. Mr. Ross, I appreciate you being here. Can

00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.400
you tell me about the conditions and

00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.610
your willingness for these conditions? Specifically as to

00:52:01.610 --> 00:52:04.679
what? Constructing a grass channel storm

00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:09.400
water of 972 square feet. Are you okay with that? Oh,

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.280
absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Then I guess my point

00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.840
here is mute, but it might be worth something to consider

00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:18.679
down the road about the requirements for

00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:21.829
an ADP for parking when lot coverage is underneath the 80%.

00:52:21.829 --> 00:52:24.199
That's more for staff, though. I can tell

00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:27.610
you right now with this parking, if this is approved, we

00:52:27.610 --> 00:52:29.800
don't intend on doing any additional

00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:33.070
parking and we'd obviously know that we'd have to resubmit

00:52:33.070 --> 00:52:35.719
anything to the commission. Out of

00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.630
curiosity, is it more expensive for you to plan a channel

00:52:38.630 --> 00:52:41.000
of those dense grasses in terms of

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.900
construction? I would assume, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

00:52:44.900 --> 00:52:46.199
Is that everything?

00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:52.119
Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.159
Thank you, Chair. Commissioner Beck. Thank you, Chair.

00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.440
Julie, the drainage you showed us a while

00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:04.269
ago, it showed those, I guess it's five parking places,

00:53:04.269 --> 00:53:07.079
shoots towards that grass area, but the

00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.980
whole parking lot area, is it all, is it drained to in that

00:53:11.980 --> 00:53:15.320
same direction or are we going to get?

00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:18.829
In looking at this, it looks like there are other parts of

00:53:18.829 --> 00:53:21.239
the parking lot that drain in other ways

00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.250
to get the water to Woodrow. Okay. So the intent really was

00:53:25.250 --> 00:53:27.800
just to get this part. Okay. So that

00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.880
right, that grassy area there is not intended to

00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.840
incorporate all the drainage off the parking lot.

00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.679
No, sir. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Sure.

00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.719
Commissioner Sanchez. You mentioned several times that the

00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:48.039
channel is to pick up pollutants or to

00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.130
stop pollutants over time. You know, if you have pollutants

00:53:51.130 --> 00:53:53.000
going into that grass area, I would

00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:56.130
think that that would have an effect on the vegetation. And

00:53:56.130 --> 00:53:57.639
so what I'm thinking is how are

00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.789
you going to monitor? We're implementing something that we

00:54:00.789 --> 00:54:03.000
probably can't even monitor over time.

00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.590
We don't really have a mechanism to monitor that after the

00:54:07.590 --> 00:54:10.199
fact. So yes, you're correct. So if

00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:14.300
something did happen where it got clogged or there was

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:17.639
something that would impact adjacent

00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.239
properties where it wasn't functioning correctly, then the

00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.039
city may need to get in with our

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.250
community development in order to ensure that it's working

00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:28.920
properly. But you're right. There's no

00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.789
mechanism to verify, to do soil samples or anything

00:54:31.789 --> 00:54:34.360
regarding the pollutants. It would just be if it's

00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.219
not functioning and it would impact the drainage on

00:54:37.219 --> 00:54:39.800
adjacent properties. It's when the city may

00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.579
get involved in ensuring that it's maintained. I guess I

00:54:44.579 --> 00:54:47.480
was just looking at the vegetation.

00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.599
That, you know, it's going into the vegetation and over

00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.719
time, I mean, you would think that

00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.590
pollutants would affect the vegetation. And that's all I

00:54:56.590 --> 00:54:58.360
was thinking about.

00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.880
Our water administration department looks at these and they

00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.519
presented this or they

00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:10.039
formulated this based upon I-swim. So some interventions or

00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:12.280
some best practices that were

00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:16.519
developed by our North Texas Council of Governments. So

00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:18.519
these are some best practices

00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.409
that have been developed with the environmental community

00:55:22.409 --> 00:55:28.280
and with in order to ensure that it

00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:32.349
does what it's supposed to do and it can be allowed to

00:55:32.349 --> 00:55:35.400
thrive and those plants would stay there.

00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.980
I have a question for you. Since they're so far under their

00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:47.159
lot coverage and there's one

00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.250
parking space for 450, if their building had been, they

00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:54.039
wanted five spaces, 2250 square feet larger,

00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.360
they would have still been under the coverage percentage

00:55:58.360 --> 00:55:59.800
and they could have done their spaces

00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.989
without doing any of the ADP at all. Correct. So they could

00:56:02.989 --> 00:56:04.840
have built a larger building,

00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.559
had the same parking lot and not have to do any of that.

00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:08.920
Yes, sir. That's correct.

00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.320
Okay. I'd have a question for the applicant then and then

00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:14.360
we'll move on.

00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.159
Yes, sir. About how long has it taken you to go through

00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:21.800
this process?

00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.909
About a year and a half now. Just on the ADP? Not on the AD

00:56:27.909 --> 00:56:29.559
P. I started the ADP

00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.079
about three months ago. About three months ago? Yes, sir.

00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:34.119
Three, four months ago.

00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.869
About how much does it cost to go through that process

00:56:37.869 --> 00:56:39.639
engineering wise? Approximately?

00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:46.369
I'd say probably 10 to 15,000 so far. Okay. Just for the AD

00:56:46.369 --> 00:56:48.119
P before you even do any of the work?

00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.469
I'm guessing because I haven't got the civil engineers bill

00:56:50.469 --> 00:56:52.760
yet. I know that will be high.

00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.400
I just want to bring that to attention. I know they have a

00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.960
DDC rewrite that we're working on

00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.199
and this seems to be one of those areas where you're under

00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:05.880
what you're allowed lot coverage wise,

00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.719
80 percent, but yet you've spent at least three months and

00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:11.639
a considerable amount of money

00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.170
to do something that if you built a larger building you

00:57:15.170 --> 00:57:17.559
could cover more than the lot than

00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:20.190
what you are at this stage. So I just want to bring that up

00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:21.800
here for us to consider as we're

00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.480
talking about DDC changes. So thank you for sharing that

00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.800
information with us. Thanks, sir.

00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:33.559
You bet. Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you.

00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:34.679
Thank you.

00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:38.539
This isn't a public hearing but if there's someone who

00:57:38.539 --> 00:57:39.800
would like to speak you

00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.039
may. You would have to fill out a card. It is an individual

00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.800
consideration item. In seeing none,

00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.210
I will go ahead and open the floor here amongst us for

00:57:51.210 --> 00:57:53.000
discussion or a motion.

00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:57.960
Commissioner Rossello. Thank you, chair. I'm going to go

00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:59.559
ahead and motion approval of this

00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.920
with the conditions stipulated by staff. But I also wanted

00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:07.079
to use my time here to reiterate chair's

00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.210
thoughts on the process here. If there's an ability to

00:58:10.210 --> 00:58:11.800
address this in the DIN development

00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:15.210
code then we should. It seems quite obvious that there's

00:58:15.210 --> 00:58:17.239
been a lot more added to the applicant

00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:20.650
than needed for five parking spaces when again the lot

00:58:20.650 --> 00:58:23.000
coverage is exceptionally lower than what was

00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:26.150
required. And he has rights to build other things. It's

00:58:26.150 --> 00:58:28.679
just this parking has created a lot more

00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.550
effort from the applicant. So I'd like to see this project

00:58:30.550 --> 00:58:32.280
move forward and not delay on this

00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.679
anything past that he has since the 1st of August it looks

00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:36.920
like. So I'll go ahead and motion this.

00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:40.690
But with the hope that this is addressed in the DDC or some

00:58:40.690 --> 00:58:42.119
other conversation.

00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:48.300
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, chair. Motion to or second

00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:49.960
motion to accept.

00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.159
We have a first and a second for approval. Commissioner San

00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:57.079
chez.

00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.679
Yes. I just want to mention the same thing that Andrew

00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:03.719
talked about. I think we put a larger burden

00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:07.739
on the applicant and it's something we have to look at. And

00:59:07.739 --> 00:59:10.280
also the other concern I have is even

00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:15.260
this idea of having a channel there that we can't monitor

00:59:15.260 --> 00:59:19.400
over time. I just feel this is an additional

00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.869
burden that we put on him that really is not going to that

00:59:22.869 --> 00:59:26.360
we can't prove it's going to help over time

00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.809
even though we talk about best practices. You know those

00:59:29.809 --> 00:59:33.239
are things we implement in trying to mitigate

00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:37.179
environmental issues. But at the same time those best

00:59:37.179 --> 00:59:41.079
practices have to be monitored and looked at

00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:47.210
over time. It's just not implementing it and then we'll see

00:59:47.210 --> 00:59:49.800
20 years from now. So. Okay.

00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:53.980
Any other comments or questions before I call for a vote on

00:59:53.980 --> 00:59:54.760
board?

00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.119
Seeing none I will call for a vote on the board. We have a

01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:00.840
first and a second

01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.800
for approval with conditions by staff.

01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.719
That motion is going to carry seven zero. Good luck with

01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:12.199
your project.

01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:22.599
That will move us to our individual consideration. Item B

01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:23.960
which is going to be

01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:30.360
FP 17-0021 and I will call on Haley for a presentation.

01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:40.940
All right good evening. This is a final plat for two lots

01:00:40.940 --> 01:00:47.800
located on the west side of the I-35

01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.679
service road. The lots are intended to be developed with

01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.920
retail sites. The reason this plat was pulled

01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.070
from the consent agenda is because there is a driveway

01:00:58.070 --> 01:01:00.280
proposed to the south of the property

01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:00.280
that requires approval of a permit from the Texas

01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:05.639
Department of Transportation because it is in their

01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:09.269
right of way. The permit for that is not yet approved. So

01:01:09.269 --> 01:01:11.320
the typical practice would be to

01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:13.469
have a hold harmless agreement signed and put in place

01:01:13.469 --> 01:01:15.559
before the plat is approved by you all.

01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.329
That was not done in this case so we've brought the plat

01:01:18.329 --> 01:01:20.280
forward with the condition that that

01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:23.760
text up permit be approved or the hold harmless agreement

01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.880
be filed before this plat gets filed

01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:29.000
after you all approve it. And can answer any questions.

01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.480
Commissioner Beck. And again I think

01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.340
it was stated that if we do approve this and all moves

01:01:36.340 --> 01:01:38.599
forward like it's supposed to they don't

01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:41.010
have to come back to the PNC is that correct? Yes sir if

01:01:41.010 --> 01:01:42.679
you approve it with that condition it

01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.239
wouldn't have to come back before you. Okay thank you.

01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.199
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair. Do we

01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.789
have any reason to believe that the permit would not be

01:01:52.789 --> 01:01:55.079
approved it's just is it just pending status?

01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.809
Yes yeah it's in review with text up at this time. Okay so

01:01:58.809 --> 01:02:01.079
we would need approval pending the

01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.030
permit as well as a hold harmless agreement signed by the

01:02:04.030 --> 01:02:06.119
applicant? Either of those options.

01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:07.980
Either of those. If the permit is approved before it's

01:02:07.980 --> 01:02:09.639
filed the hold harmless agreement wouldn't be

01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:13.539
required. That hold harmless agreement was intended to and

01:02:13.539 --> 01:02:15.719
Jennifer could probably speak to that but

01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:18.409
my understanding is it's provided in case the permit's not

01:02:18.409 --> 01:02:20.119
approved the city wouldn't be liable.

01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.139
The hold harmless agreement only comes into play if we're

01:02:23.139 --> 01:02:25.960
substituting it for no permit. So they

01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.030
either have the permit or they have the hold harmless

01:02:28.030 --> 01:02:29.639
agreement just saying well we didn't get

01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.920
the permit but we're not going to hold you responsible for

01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.079
it if we can't get it later.

01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:35.239
And so if we don't have either one of those you can

01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.320
condition your approval on that.

01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.070
We won't file any plans with the county until we receive

01:02:41.070 --> 01:02:41.480
that.

01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.000
Any other questions for Haley?

01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:58.179
Thank you. Okay this is an individual consideration item.

01:02:58.179 --> 01:03:00.440
It's not a public hearing but

01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.800
you're welcome to speak on this item if you'd like. You

01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:04.360
would need to fill out a card to do so.

01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:11.239
Seeing none I will have a motion from Commissioner Smith.

01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.360
Motion to accept this with staff's conditions also added

01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:16.199
onto it.

01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.400
Okay the two conditions okay Commissioner Sullivan.

01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:20.840
Second the motion.

01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.599
Okay we have a first and a second for approval with

01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.239
conditions. Any further discussion or comment?

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.440
Seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.489
The motion is going to carry seven to zero. That will move

01:03:46.489 --> 01:03:48.519
us to our public hearing section this

01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:54.090
evening. At this time I'm going to open the public hearing

01:03:54.090 --> 01:03:57.639
for item A DCA 17-0010B.

01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.880
Actually that has been postponed. My mistake.

01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:10.900
That's the one that's postponed definitely. Okay I didn't

01:04:10.900 --> 01:04:12.199
do it right then.

01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.599
I know how that is. Keeping up with it. Okay so this item

01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.199
is open. It is a public hearing.

01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:23.719
It is open and the chair would entertain a motion for

01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:25.559
continuance indefinitely.

01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:26.519
Commissioner Smith.

01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.199
Thank you chair. Mr. Jenks you can just say it if you want

01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:31.480
to come to the mic go ahead.

01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.610
I know it's postponed definitely. Do you have a time frame

01:04:34.610 --> 01:04:35.639
when we're going to see this again

01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.099
or is this just postponed because we're busy in the office

01:04:38.099 --> 01:04:38.599
or what's

01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:40.840
what's the time frame of seeing this come back before our

01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:41.559
commission?

01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.389
Yes sir that's a that's a good question and basically what

01:04:48.389 --> 01:04:51.880
's driving the postponement

01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.829
I would say more than anything is that since the item was

01:04:56.829 --> 01:05:00.199
initiated we've had a lot of changes

01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.750
in management in the development services department. The

01:05:03.750 --> 01:05:05.559
new management that's come in

01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:05.559
has brought in some perspectives of their own and

01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:12.679
experiences from other cities that I think are

01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.369
valuable and that we're considering. I think we're still we

01:05:16.369 --> 01:05:19.159
're still going along the similar path

01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.519
but the details of how the new agreements would be

01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:23.880
structured and the bonds the financial guarantees

01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:28.440
that we talked about we may we may tweak somewhat as far as

01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.920
when we will be coming back to you.

01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:38.079
I would say very soon by I would I would say probably next

01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:42.360
month sometime or possibly December

01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:46.760
at the latest but very soon we're we're we're not stopping

01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.239
the item we're just hitting pause as we

01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:51.420
have some new faces and new experience come in and try to

01:05:51.420 --> 01:05:53.239
get a better product. Thank you Mr. Jinks.

01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:59.130
You bet. Commissioner Roselle. I move to postpone this

01:05:59.130 --> 01:06:01.159
agenda item indefinitely. Okay.

01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.449
Commissioner Smith. I second. Okay we have a first and a

01:06:05.449 --> 01:06:07.880
second for postponement indefinitely.

01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.849
Yes. Okay so we will leave the public hearing open and then

01:06:15.849 --> 01:06:17.639
we'll call for a vote on the board.

01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:26.789
I'm sorry it was an indefinite postponement so the public

01:06:26.789 --> 01:06:29.400
hearing really needs to be closed

01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.119
because I think they're going to republish notice for it so

01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:33.960
okay on this one we will close the public

01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.920
hearing. Okay well we'll back up a step then and I'm going

01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.320
to close the public hearing on this item

01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:42.210
and I will call for a vote on the board. Do we need a re-

01:06:42.210 --> 01:06:44.360
motion or can we leave the motions as

01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.179
stated earlier? We can leave the motions as stated. Okay I

01:06:47.179 --> 01:06:49.559
'll call for a vote on the board. Same motion.

01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:59.920
Motion is going to carry seven zero. We'll move us to item

01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:01.960
B and I will open our public hearing for

01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:09.409
Z 17-0022. Actually well I'm having a hard time tonight I

01:07:09.409 --> 01:07:10.599
can't read.

01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.190
Do we have to open it? This one we will leave open the

01:07:16.190 --> 01:07:18.599
public hearing because so that we don't have

01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:22.030
to republish I think that the applicant actually wanted to

01:07:22.030 --> 01:07:23.880
amend the request and it's going to be

01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.769
postponed to a date certain so we would entertain a motion.

01:07:26.769 --> 01:07:28.599
Okay so we're going to lay the public

01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:33.659
hearing open not close it and then we will take a ask for a

01:07:33.659 --> 01:07:38.760
motion and take a vote. Okay so this

01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:44.039
item is open and then Commissioner Smith. A motion to postp

01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.199
one this item until November 8th planning

01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:49.289
is on a commission meeting. Okay for a date certain.

01:07:49.289 --> 01:07:52.360
Commissioner Beck. Second. Okay we have a first

01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:58.179
and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none I'll call for a

01:07:58.179 --> 01:07:59.960
vote on the board.

01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:09.809
Motion carries seven zero and this item is still open. We

01:08:09.809 --> 01:08:13.159
'll move us to item C and I will open the

01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:20.659
public hearing for FR 17-0021. We'll call on Julie Wyatt

01:08:20.659 --> 01:08:22.600
for presentation.

01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:26.680
All right.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.600
Now I've completely messed it up.

01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:44.520
All right this is a replat. Let's try again.

01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.119
View. Rotate.

01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.489
There we go. All right this is a replat for a previously pl

01:08:56.489 --> 01:08:58.680
atted lot. One lot they're they're

01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:02.989
dividing into two lots. It's situated on the east side of

01:09:02.989 --> 01:09:05.880
kind of downtown on Duncan Street. It is

01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:08.439
developed with industrial uses and they're just splitting

01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:09.880
it into two lots with some access

01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.310
agreements to ensure access on the site and I'll answer any

01:09:13.310 --> 01:09:17.960
questions. Any questions for Julie?

01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:26.010
Thank you Julie. This is a public hearing so if there's

01:09:26.010 --> 01:09:27.319
anyone who would like to speak on this

01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:31.479
item please come down at this time. And this is a public

01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:35.479
hearing. Please come down if you'd like

01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:39.359
to speak on this item. Seeing none I'll close the public

01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:41.960
hearing and open the floor for discussion

01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:47.000
or motion. Commissioner Beck? I move we approve FR 17-0021.

01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.039
Okay. Commissioner Ellis? Second. Okay.

01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.680
We have a first and a second for approval. Any other

01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:54.199
discussion or questions?

01:09:57.640 --> 01:09:59.399
Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board.

01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:08.119
The motion is going to carry 7-0. We'll move us to item D

01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:13.560
and I will open the public hearing for

01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:19.119
FR 17-0013 and call on Julie for presentation of this item

01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:20.039
as well.

01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:23.000
All right this is also a replat. Subject property is

01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:29.800
located south of 380.

01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.399
It has a part of the property is in the city of Denton and

01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.920
it has a zoning designation of NR2

01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.720
and part of it is in the ETJ. They are splitting one pl

01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:43.319
atted lot into two lots with an access

01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:47.989
easement and I'll stand for any questions. Commissioner

01:10:47.989 --> 01:10:51.000
Ellis? Thank you chair. Julie as I

01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:54.579
was looking at this I'm curious is there not a commercial

01:10:54.579 --> 01:10:57.720
site already in use on the property?

01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:02.140
I think there is. If any redevelopment happened and they if

01:11:02.140 --> 01:11:04.520
any redevelopment was proposed or

01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:07.689
contemplated they would they would have to comply with any

01:11:07.689 --> 01:11:09.720
zoning regulations that are on the

01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.600
property. So this replat does not negate their use

01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.720
currently? No ma'am. But if redevelopment happens

01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.710
it would have to fall in the part within the city. Correct.

01:11:19.710 --> 01:11:21.319
Correct. Okay thanks.

01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.550
Just for clarification on that that's just going to be on

01:11:25.550 --> 01:11:27.560
the city portion the portion that's going

01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.720
to be in the county or ETJ would be governed by the county.

01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:32.680
They would they would all permits would

01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:40.300
be through the county. Okay any other questions for Julie?

01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:45.319
Thank you Julie. This is a public hearing

01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:47.569
anyone who would like to speak on this item please come

01:11:47.569 --> 01:11:48.520
forward at this time.

01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:54.199
Please state your name and address for the record and I

01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:56.760
believe you have four minutes.

01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.140
If you haven't filled out a card for us before you leave

01:11:59.140 --> 01:12:00.680
this even there's cards right outside

01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.829
the door and please fill out a card for us. My name is M

01:12:03.829 --> 01:12:06.279
ignon Laughlin I am the mother of one

01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:10.420
of the applicants and he didn't tell me I was need to talk.

01:12:10.420 --> 01:12:12.840
I was just supposed to say nothing's

01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:16.430
changing except there was a divorce and so they're dividing

01:12:16.430 --> 01:12:18.600
stuff up so they had it resurveyed and

01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:22.609
replatted. Okay sorry to hear that. Will you give your

01:12:22.609 --> 01:12:25.800
address for us please? Oh I'm sorry I live at

01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:30.250
630 Lakeshore Boulevard in Oak Point. Okay thank you and

01:12:30.250 --> 01:12:32.199
please fill out a card for us.

01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:35.899
This is a public hearing anyone else who would like to

01:12:35.899 --> 01:12:37.800
speak on this item please come forward at

01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:43.720
this time. Okay seeing none I will close the public hearing

01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.600
and open the floor for discussion

01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:50.420
or motion. Commissioner Rozelle. Thank you chair I move

01:12:50.420 --> 01:12:52.840
approval of FR 17-0013.

01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:57.010
Okay commissioner Smith. I second that motion. Okay we have

01:12:57.010 --> 01:12:58.760
a first and a second for approval

01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:03.720
any other discussion or questions? Seeing none I'll call

01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:05.399
for a vote on the board.

01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:18.119
Motion is going to carry seven to zero. We'll take us to

01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.720
item E. We'll open the public hearing for

01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:28.119
FR 17-0018 and we'll call on Hattie Lee for presentation.

01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:41.479
This is a replant of lot one of the Ryan Company's addition

01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.159
. The property is located on the east side

01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:46.100
of Dakota Lane that's over in the west part of town near

01:13:46.100 --> 01:13:48.359
the airport. It is zoned for industrial

01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:51.989
development and currently lot two you've seen here is

01:13:51.989 --> 01:13:55.560
developed with an existing industrial use.

01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:58.310
My understanding is that will stay in place they are simply

01:13:58.310 --> 01:13:59.159
subdividing off

01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.439
the southern portion of the property. I can answer any

01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:04.279
other questions you might have.

01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:08.199
Any questions for Haley?

01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:14.920
Thank you Haley. This is a public hearing anyone who would

01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:16.520
like to speak on this item please come

01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:22.970
forward at this time. Seeing none I will close the public

01:14:22.970 --> 01:14:25.800
hearing and open the floor for discussion

01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:33.079
or motion. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve FR 17-0018.

01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:35.720
Okay commissioner Smith. I second

01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.300
that motion. Okay we have a first and a second for approval

01:14:39.300 --> 01:14:42.279
any discussion or comments or questions?

01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:47.159
Seeing none I'll call for a vote on board.

01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:58.420
That motion carries seven zero. That will take us to item F

01:14:58.420 --> 01:15:01.960
. I will open the public hearing for

01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:07.729
Z 17-0023 and call on Haley for presentation of this item

01:15:07.729 --> 01:15:08.439
as well.

01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:17.239
Good evening this is case Z 17-23 for the co-pedition.

01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:21.680
The request is to hold a public hearing and consider a

01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:23.560
request to establish an initial

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.810
zoning designation of neighborhood residential six on a

01:15:26.810 --> 01:15:29.159
property you see outlined here in yellow.

01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:33.100
It's approximately 16.39 acres located at the northeast

01:15:33.100 --> 01:15:35.319
corner of Mayhill Road and Mills Road.

01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:39.930
If we look at what is around the area in terms of zoning

01:15:39.930 --> 01:15:42.520
and land use you'll see a mixture of

01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.029
things. The property itself and several other properties in

01:15:46.029 --> 01:15:47.960
this area currently have our

01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.539
placeholder zoning designation of RD 5X. I said that's a

01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:53.800
placeholder when a property is annexed

01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:56.159
into the city it's assigned that designation until such

01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:58.279
time as an initial zoning application is made.

01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.409
Currently we have a mixture of uses residential some

01:16:02.409 --> 01:16:04.520
commercial there's an auto repair shop

01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:08.279
immediately north of the property. Then if we look to the

01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:10.520
other districts you'll see in the blue

01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.029
hatched area that's outlined in green all of those parcels

01:16:14.029 --> 01:16:16.359
are still in the ETJ so not yet annexed

01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.479
into the city. Again there's some undeveloped land and some

01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:21.000
residential uses in that area.

01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:25.199
Looking across Mayhill Road we have the ECI district so one

01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:27.479
of our employment center districts

01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.680
and in this area we have a mixture of uses we have

01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:33.800
facilities for Denton ISD to the south of

01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:37.220
the property a mixture of commercial and industrial uses

01:16:37.220 --> 01:16:39.560
and then even some single-family residences.

01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:43.649
To the south we have NR 2 district that's immediately south

01:16:43.649 --> 01:16:45.640
of the property is developed

01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.500
again by Denton ISD we have the Ryan High School as well as

01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:51.720
a bus facility in this area.

01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:54.329
And then there's also a small patch of NR 6 zoning in this

01:16:54.329 --> 01:16:54.760
area.

01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.819
When you look at the future land use map this parcel and

01:16:59.819 --> 01:17:02.840
much of the property to the north of

01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:05.710
it is designated as moderate residential. That's a

01:17:05.710 --> 01:17:08.359
designation that promotes more compact single

01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.300
family development a little bit higher density generally

01:17:11.300 --> 01:17:13.319
between four and twelve units per acre

01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.729
is what's encouraged in that designation. And this

01:17:16.729 --> 01:17:19.399
designation often serves as a transition

01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:22.590
between a commercial or mixed use areas and lower density

01:17:22.590 --> 01:17:24.600
residential and we see that in play here

01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:27.270
along Mayhill Road we have business innovation and

01:17:27.270 --> 01:17:30.199
community mixed use designations that would be

01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:33.609
commercial maybe some light industrial employment uses and

01:17:33.609 --> 01:17:36.039
then the moderate residential area would

01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:38.600
be a transition between those commercial uses and lower

01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.840
density residential that's intended to the east.

01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.890
Looking at the roadways and access to this site it does

01:17:46.890 --> 01:17:49.000
have frontage on both Mayhill and Mills.

01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:52.710
Mayhill Road is a primary arterial it's currently under

01:17:52.710 --> 01:17:54.600
expansion and realignment at this time

01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:59.050
and the Mills Road is designated as a collector and all of

01:17:59.050 --> 01:18:01.880
the requirements for improvement that

01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:04.680
would come as part of this development will be further

01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:06.359
examined and determined during the

01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:08.829
preliminary and final platting of the property. Not

01:18:08.829 --> 01:18:13.720
ification was sent about this case we sent 13

01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:16.840
notices to those properties within 200 feet 20 to those

01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:19.399
within 500. We received one written

01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:21.819
opposition that was provided to you at the work session and

01:18:21.819 --> 01:18:23.399
that property is outlined here in red.

01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:27.829
Staff is recommending approval of this request because it

01:18:27.829 --> 01:18:30.119
is generally compatible with the

01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.829
surrounding properties in terms of use and zoning and is

01:18:32.829 --> 01:18:34.840
also consistent with the goals and objectives

01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:37.960
of the Denton Plan 2030 and I can stand for any questions.

01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:41.079
Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair.

01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:43.500
We talked about in work session but just to make clear to

01:18:43.500 --> 01:18:45.000
hopefully clear up anything that might

01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.470
be brought during the public hearing portion of this the

01:18:48.470 --> 01:18:50.760
mobility specifically on mobility

01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:54.800
that will be handled the expansion of Mills Road in regards

01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:57.000
to population density due to this

01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.579
rezoning and possibly the development of the single-family

01:18:59.579 --> 01:19:02.039
residential use that mobility will

01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.979
be decided upon at platting. Yes sir when they go through

01:19:04.979 --> 01:19:07.239
the preliminary plat process the applicant

01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:10.869
will have to provide trip generation calculations based on

01:19:10.869 --> 01:19:13.800
the lot and density that they're proposing

01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:15.869
and at that time it would be determined what perimeter

01:19:15.869 --> 01:19:17.640
street improvements are required

01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:19.930
for this development. So during this zoning process we're

01:19:19.930 --> 01:19:21.880
not going to be needing to worry about

01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:24.199
mobility issues right now. Yes sir. Thank you ma'am.

01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:28.520
Any other questions for Haley?

01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:34.520
Thank you Haley. Again this is a public hearing anyone who

01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.720
would like to speak on this item

01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.119
please come forward at this time. Please come forward.

01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:44.840
Please give us your name and address and thank you for

01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:47.399
filling out a card for us.

01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.810
Thank you Commissioner. Appreciate it. It's William Butler

01:19:50.810 --> 01:19:53.640
actually Bill. Okay. I live at 4923 Mills

01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:57.350
Road. If the map was still up I could show you where our

01:19:57.350 --> 01:20:00.039
property is but it is adjacent to this

01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:05.380
proposed development. I'm kind of new at this so. Sure. I

01:20:05.380 --> 01:20:08.439
'll ask Haley to. If I'm wrong you'll help me keep my

01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.000
thoughts straight. I'll ask Haley to come up and make sure

01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:12.600
and help you if we need to do the eye

01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:15.890
in the sky on something or. Yeah I mean I had some. You

01:20:15.890 --> 01:20:18.199
have some things you'd like to show us. Well I

01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:22.819
had stuff I'm taking off the Google map. I know you sent. I

01:20:22.819 --> 01:20:26.439
know she sent proposals out like 13

01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:29.609
you said or so. Yes sir. We never got one. I found out

01:20:29.609 --> 01:20:33.319
about this yesterday. Okay. So I'm not nearly

01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:36.439
as prepared as I would with a. I also was a commercial.

01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:39.000
Please come forward. I'm sorry. That's okay sweet.

01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.600
I want to make sure we can hear you. Okay and I'm also was

01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.399
a commercial estate broker and was

01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.399
involved in some development in Houston Texas which zoning

01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:52.439
is a lot different there. So some of my

01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:56.369
concerns is that the the density will significantly

01:20:56.369 --> 01:21:00.279
increase the traffic at that intersection which at

01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:03.399
times especially during school year already has substantial

01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:06.600
amount of traffic. I don't know this

01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:09.170
for sure because I didn't get a chance to verify this but

01:21:09.170 --> 01:21:10.920
my understanding is that Ingrass and

01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:14.529
egress is only on Mills Road and not on Mayo. Well at this

01:21:14.529 --> 01:21:17.239
time we're just doing zoning and. Okay so

01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:19.869
that's not part. Okay. Whenever they do come forward for

01:21:19.869 --> 01:21:21.319
preliminary plot they will have to

01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:27.460
address all those issues. Okay. My feeling is that the this

01:21:27.460 --> 01:21:30.199
type of housing is quote unquote

01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:35.670
considered low income housing and I think it might have a

01:21:35.670 --> 01:21:39.399
negative impact on the existing properties

01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:42.649
and even more importantly on future development. This is

01:21:42.649 --> 01:21:46.760
like a gateway Mills dead ends in the May

01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:50.770
Hill Road. So what you see when you turn the corner says

01:21:50.770 --> 01:21:53.640
the tone I believe for the rest of the property.

01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:02.199
My wife and I we own a 6,500 square foot house under roof

01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:06.359
at 43 4923 Mills Road.

01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.840
My wife and her siblings own they actually have to address

01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:18.279
wrong on the wrong house but 4921 Mills

01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:24.079
Road is adjacent to the property as well and they are also

01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:26.439
concerned about the density of the property

01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:31.779
being developed or proposed along with her family. My wife

01:22:31.779 --> 01:22:35.239
and I own a total of 40 acres along Mills

01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:38.079
Road which includes the two residences and two more

01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.720
residents as well. High density residential

01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:44.170
development will negatively impact the values of the acre

01:22:44.170 --> 01:22:45.880
age for future residential development.

01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:50.010
The area would better be better served if the property be z

01:22:50.010 --> 01:22:52.920
oned density of nr2 and certainly

01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:58.390
no more than nr3. And one last thing if you drive up and

01:22:58.390 --> 01:23:02.199
down Black Road and you see the development

01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:05.350
that's going on there that's a quality higher end type

01:23:05.350 --> 01:23:07.880
development. I'm not saying that Mills

01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:10.760
Road will ever reach that level but I think we ought to

01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:13.000
strive for that and can raise the whole

01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:21.390
feeling of that area and as time goes by. Thank you. Thank

01:23:21.390 --> 01:23:23.720
you. Commissioner Smith.

01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:28.640
Thank you Chair. Yeah if you could real quick. What I

01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.640
mentioned Haley before we opened up the

01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:35.479
public hearing to the floor to folks. Mobility issues I

01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:37.880
feel like it was I didn't know until

01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:40.340
you brought it up that you know you're really worried about

01:23:40.340 --> 01:23:41.640
low income and kind of what's

01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:45.130
going to be used for this. At this point with zoning just

01:23:45.130 --> 01:23:47.079
deciding the zoning of it it's going

01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:50.010
to be really hard for us as commissioners to vote against

01:23:50.010 --> 01:23:52.199
it because it does fit with the future land

01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:55.670
use map that's already been decided within the Denton 2030

01:23:55.670 --> 01:23:58.520
plan. Now your objections and your

01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:01.739
concerns are extremely valid and things that should be

01:24:01.739 --> 01:24:03.800
definitely brought back up whenever it

01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.100
gets the preliminary prating plotting process that's going

01:24:06.100 --> 01:24:07.479
to come in front of this commission.

01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:10.239
I'd love to see you back in here again to talk about it and

01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:11.560
bring that up then because that's

01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:13.979
something that we can vote down based off that evidence

01:24:13.979 --> 01:24:15.720
that yes the what their plats but they're

01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.920
asking for us to approve here to be you to actually use

01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:21.399
this land for. Yeah that doesn't

01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:23.369
seem like something we want to see within our community

01:24:23.369 --> 01:24:24.680
then we can make a stand. It's really

01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.130
hard for us as commissioners to say hey you're just wanting

01:24:27.130 --> 01:24:28.439
to rezone it to fit with what we

01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.439
already said as a city we want to see there. It's hard for

01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:33.159
us to say no to it so thank you for coming

01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:39.449
out. Thank you. Any other questions? Can I say one more

01:24:39.449 --> 01:24:44.600
thing? Sure. I am not opposed personally to

01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:47.779
the residential development. In some ways it's preferred

01:24:47.779 --> 01:24:49.960
over possibly over industrial which is

01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:53.720
what I thought might be how it would be zoned considering

01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:57.000
its location. The only thing I'm

01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.550
opposed to is the density. Okay. Commissioner Schmidt.

01:25:00.550 --> 01:25:02.920
Thank you chair. Haley could you he did

01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:07.229
bring up two different two different zones NR2 NR3. Can you

01:25:07.229 --> 01:25:09.479
give us a quick rundown of the

01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.600
difference between the NR we're looking at NR6 versus NR2

01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:14.520
NR3 in regards to population density

01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.500
you know I'm saying density sorry. Yes sir so under the

01:25:18.500 --> 01:25:20.439
proposed zoning of NR6 that would allow

01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:24.199
up to six dwelling units per acre. NR2 and NR3 same thing

01:25:24.199 --> 01:25:26.520
with the numbers two dwelling units per

01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:29.220
acre or three dwelling units per acre so less than half of

01:25:29.220 --> 01:25:31.000
what they would be able to achieve

01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:35.909
with the proposal. Thank you. Commissioner Begg. Thank you

01:25:35.909 --> 01:25:38.279
chair. Haley. Don't go.

01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:45.720
Can you put the proposed zoning map up? Okay. That's it.

01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:47.640
Right. Don't have present it would be

01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:51.369
the same as there. Yes NR6. Okay and I wanted Mr. Butler to

01:25:51.369 --> 01:25:54.119
see that that there is an NR6 across

01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:57.600
the street from you already and I was curious and if you

01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:00.840
want to you can come back up to the microphone

01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:05.640
and inform us if there's been a been a problem with this.

01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:07.399
It is.

01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:13.760
Okay but it is zoned as such. I understand. Okay. But at

01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:16.039
this point had that had you be

01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:19.039
had you asked me if that should be NR6. A little closer to

01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:21.960
the mic. I'm sorry had you asked me if

01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:24.859
that should be NR6 if it wasn't already I would have also

01:26:24.859 --> 01:26:27.880
been opposed to it. Okay okay so it's

01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:32.329
I guess in your thinking NR6 is just not appropriate for

01:26:32.329 --> 01:26:35.479
that area. Well we were talking earlier

01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:40.439
and I'm not saying that NR6 is inappropriate everywhere and

01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:42.359
there may be areas further

01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:48.170
where the tone has already been set. If you go further east

01:26:48.170 --> 01:26:50.439
there are trailer parks

01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:55.640
a nice trailer park where you already have density. All I'm

01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:58.760
trying to do is upgrade the area

01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.479
and I feel like it's for personal personal reasons but I

01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:06.600
also have 40 acres from possible development.

01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:10.939
I'm not going to develop it if I can keep from it at high

01:27:10.939 --> 01:27:15.399
density levels. Okay all right thank you

01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:17.760
sir. Have some more questions possibly. Commissioner Rosell

01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:19.479
. Thank you chair. Mr. Butler I appreciate

01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:22.390
you you coming in and providing insight and I'd love to see

01:27:22.390 --> 01:27:24.279
40 acres in that area be developed

01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:29.060
NR2 if that was your pleasure. My question to you is you've

01:27:29.060 --> 01:27:31.880
been in real estate. Mayhill is

01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:35.529
being expanded to a six lane divided street and NR2

01:27:35.529 --> 01:27:39.079
neighborhoods generally are like you said they're

01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:42.510
nicer or higher income generally to build out an NR2

01:27:42.510 --> 01:27:45.560
neighborhood and the houses that those invite.

01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:50.739
I'm wondering your perspective on the likelihood of a

01:27:50.739 --> 01:27:53.319
successful project like that happening next

01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.439
to a six lane road because I'm thinking if if 16 acres was

01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.239
to be developed that bordered loop 288

01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.479
I'm not sure there's going to be a lot of developments for

01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:05.000
you know half acre homes right

01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:08.000
next to a main arterial which is why to me an NR6 makes

01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.039
sense because it backs up to that but I'd

01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.159
love to hear your perspective on that. Well like I said I

01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:15.319
would rather be residential if it were

01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:20.720
NR2 or NR3. If it has to be NR6 then I'd rather see it

01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:25.560
developed as industrial. The density I think

01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:27.979
is too great for that intersection even though we are

01:28:27.979 --> 01:28:30.039
expanding it I don't know what the plans are

01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.310
for Mills Road and I know that's not apparently part of the

01:28:32.310 --> 01:28:37.479
discussion at this time. I see

01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:44.170
pretty nice homes and flower mounds and other high-end

01:28:44.170 --> 01:28:46.439
developments that have

01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:51.350
homes right on major thoroughfares. Some of them have

01:28:51.350 --> 01:28:53.560
retaining walls they have

01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.760
blocked the sound but I can show you many many locations

01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.119
where there are plenty of examples

01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:07.920
where there's a higher end home development NR2 or NR3 on

01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:10.279
high traffic roads. Thank you

01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:14.060
appreciate it. Any other questions Mr. Bellewally is at the

01:29:14.060 --> 01:29:14.279
mic.

01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:18.600
Thank you sir for your comments and answering our questions

01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:18.600
.

01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:25.810
This is a public hearing so please come down give your name

01:29:25.810 --> 01:29:27.319
and address and thank you for filling

01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:31.289
out a card for us. My name is Kenneth Stout and I live on

01:29:31.289 --> 01:29:33.640
Mills Road right off of Mayhill

01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.640
where the school property splits our place on both sides.

01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:38.359
They have five acres on the corner

01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.239
and this property they're talking about rezoning it. It is

01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:45.880
going to anything east of it the rainwater

01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:48.130
and everything's going to have to be pumped all the way

01:29:48.130 --> 01:29:49.960
down to a creek that'll run down to

01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:53.090
Cooper Creek Road which is about two miles down east where

01:29:53.090 --> 01:29:56.039
we're at. On the north end on the west

01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.250
end of it we got a hill that's in there that it's very

01:29:59.250 --> 01:30:02.359
difficult to navigate when it gets water on

01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:05.949
the rain freeze. We have about a thousand buses on that

01:30:05.949 --> 01:30:09.000
street. We also have about a thousand buses

01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:13.399
going over right by my within 30 foot of my back door. So I

01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:16.039
'm concerned about the amount of traffic

01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:19.479
and us getting out on the street and I'm also concerned

01:30:19.479 --> 01:30:21.880
about how we're going to get water and

01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:25.000
sewer down through there to where we might be able in the

01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:27.079
future go ahead and attach into it.

01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:32.479
Now they y'all's chart says 16 point something acres. Well

01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:35.079
if that includes half the road they

01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:38.340
don't own all the they own it but they pay taxes on it but

01:30:38.340 --> 01:30:40.920
they won't get to build on the road

01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.729
except they wrote. So we're concerned we're not against the

01:30:44.729 --> 01:30:47.000
project. It's this simple fact we see

01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:51.779
we need to know what's going on whether very much of us can

01:30:51.779 --> 01:30:55.960
go south or north on Mayhill Road. They

01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:59.079
won't put very many red lights down the thing and there may

01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.079
be some I don't even know there's red

01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:04.300
light going in it mills that Mayhill because if the street

01:31:04.300 --> 01:31:06.680
comes clear across over and hooks into

01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:10.140
the development on the west side we need some relief in

01:31:10.140 --> 01:31:12.600
there either some traffic control or

01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:15.720
something and I'll be happy to try to share something else

01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:17.000
if you know in the future.

01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:20.680
We appreciate y'all listening to us. I don't know how to

01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:23.800
run a computer don't intend to learn to run

01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:27.479
one. I'm old enough that I don't have to so but I am

01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:30.840
concerned about all of our neighbors out there

01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:35.189
and if you don't like to wake up about five o'clock in the

01:31:35.189 --> 01:31:37.159
mornings with that many buses

01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:42.189
you got a problem. Now I will mention somebody in the city

01:31:42.189 --> 01:31:45.399
years ago built Ashley Oaks. They've

01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.159
turned water down across some of this property we're

01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:51.000
talking about east of there about two miles

01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:54.090
just washed the thunder out of the road and now we have a

01:31:54.090 --> 01:31:55.960
one lane bridge down there at the end

01:31:55.960 --> 01:32:00.300
of it where it hooks up to Trinity. Now that's not progress

01:32:00.300 --> 01:32:02.840
that's loading us up down to where

01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:05.970
we cannot even get out of the place if we want to go east.

01:32:05.970 --> 01:32:08.600
I would like for y'all to consider it.

01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:11.590
I'm not totally against the project it's just that we need

01:32:11.590 --> 01:32:14.039
to know what's going on and how long the

01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.079
sixth school district may want to develop the corner up

01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:21.479
there. Appreciate y'all. I have a question

01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:23.810
for you Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Chair. Did you say

01:32:23.810 --> 01:32:27.399
your last name was Scott? Mr. Stout. I

01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:29.470
appreciate you being here. How long have you lived in your

01:32:29.470 --> 01:32:31.000
current home? Well my wife has lived on

01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.229
there since 1946. It sounds like you're an expert in the

01:32:34.229 --> 01:32:37.079
area which I think is valuable. I had some

01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:41.859
property the city obtained on Mayhill Road about two years

01:32:41.859 --> 01:32:45.000
ago. So in terms of Commissioner Smith

01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:48.090
might have mentioned this earlier but I wanted to encourage

01:32:48.090 --> 01:32:49.960
you if this passes tonight and it goes

01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:53.369
to NR6 I think your testimony will be invaluable during the

01:32:53.369 --> 01:32:56.039
platting process to encourage a stoplight

01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:58.890
to encourage the improvement of Mills Road and so if this

01:32:58.890 --> 01:33:00.920
passes tonight once the vote happens

01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:03.569
I would like to see you come back during the platting

01:33:03.569 --> 01:33:05.640
process to hear more about your expertise

01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.279
in the area. One more question I'd like to ask. When was

01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:12.119
this thing changed from agriculture to

01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:15.560
this other? We got no information when that change was made

01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:17.800
and it's probably made within the past two

01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:21.310
years. So that makes it a problem for us not even being

01:33:21.310 --> 01:33:24.279
notified to want to change it from agriculture

01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:27.689
because I was acquainted with the people that lived there

01:33:27.689 --> 01:33:30.119
for 40 years. I think the staff could

01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:33.210
speak to this but it was originally brought into the city

01:33:33.210 --> 01:33:35.399
under a zoning called RD5X which is a

01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:38.899
temporary zoning that we're trying to update today. It's

01:33:38.899 --> 01:33:41.000
still agricultural. It's still

01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:46.199
agriculture today. RD5X is just a placeholder designation

01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:48.520
it doesn't mean anything as in regards

01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:50.840
to the agriculture. Well I was just kind of concerned

01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:52.439
because I didn't get a letter during

01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:55.680
that time. I found it in the newspaper and then that's when

01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:57.560
I got interested in the past couple

01:33:57.560 --> 01:34:00.409
weeks you know kind of checking things out a little bit

01:34:00.409 --> 01:34:02.600
because I'm not trying to run the country out

01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:06.100
that way I'm just trying to live in that country out there.

01:34:06.100 --> 01:34:08.199
Another question for Commissioner Smith.

01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:11.520
Thank you Chair. We got we saw earlier tonight on a

01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:14.119
different autumn that it took a you know a strip

01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:16.939
of grass took about three months to come before us. Pretty

01:34:16.939 --> 01:34:18.840
sure they said that the Mayhill expansion

01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:21.609
is going to be 2019 so I think your I think the development

01:34:21.609 --> 01:34:23.079
that happens out there if it does

01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:25.649
passes tonight it'll take a little it'll take a little

01:34:25.649 --> 01:34:27.880
while for it to come becomes up here so

01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:30.640
there'll be some time to bring up any any type of issues

01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:34.279
you may have so just sit tight and

01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:36.439
and come on back whenever preliminary plotting comes to

01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:38.439
comes to before us okay. Thank you very

01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:40.510
much. Thank you sir. One more question to come up.

01:34:40.510 --> 01:34:44.279
Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. I do appreciate

01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:46.840
y'all pointing out that you didn't get any notices either.

01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:48.760
That's been a big concern for us

01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:52.819
and as a commission and the city staff we have set plans

01:34:52.819 --> 01:34:55.720
aside to address it so it's so disappointing

01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:58.119
to hear these things have been set in motion so it's

01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:00.279
disappointing to hear that still you're just

01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:03.550
hearing about this today or the day before yesterday so

01:35:03.550 --> 01:35:06.439
there's obviously some kinks in the system

01:35:06.439 --> 01:35:09.199
that we've tried to improve here but we did want you to

01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:10.760
know that we are aware of the

01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:14.600
informing residents when changes are made and hopefully

01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:15.960
those kinks will get worked out in the

01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:18.729
future where you're not left in the blind so thank you for

01:35:18.729 --> 01:35:20.520
coming down speaking to it tonight.

01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:23.640
Thank you sir.

01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.760
This is a public hearing anyone who would like to speak on

01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:30.439
this item please come forward at this time.

01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:49.430
David Shelton. I live in a 5050 Mills Road which is I guess

01:35:49.430 --> 01:35:53.880
in our six already and I have no

01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:58.829
intentions of ever developing it that I'm just it's my

01:35:58.829 --> 01:36:02.279
house that's where it's going to stay.

01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:09.270
What worries me is we're kind of limited on our road down

01:36:09.270 --> 01:36:11.239
through Mills Road

01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:13.369
and then we have all the school buses. Can I get you to

01:36:13.369 --> 01:36:15.239
step over closer to the mic so we can make

01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:18.510
sure to hear you well? We have all the school buses and all

01:36:18.510 --> 01:36:21.479
the school traffic and it's hard to get in

01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:25.789
and out of there and now is it 84 houses or 94 houses that

01:36:25.789 --> 01:36:27.399
they're going to build?

01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.529
We don't know at that at this point with the zoning allows

01:36:33.529 --> 01:36:35.640
six homes per acre for whatever

01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:38.579
their acreage is. I think there's going to be a whole lot

01:36:38.579 --> 01:36:40.359
of houses and you know two or three

01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:46.109
cars for house and it's just going to squeeze us. Do they

01:36:46.109 --> 01:36:51.319
have any plans on expanding Mills

01:36:51.319 --> 01:36:55.470
Road or anything making it wider so we can? Well we don't

01:36:55.470 --> 01:36:57.560
have any of that at this time

01:36:57.560 --> 01:37:00.789
when whenever the property comes back before us for what's

01:37:00.789 --> 01:37:02.680
called platting they will have to

01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:06.180
address all those questions sewer, water, stormwater,

01:37:06.180 --> 01:37:08.359
detention. I don't have any of that

01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:13.619
you know when we got drafted into the city we didn't get

01:37:13.619 --> 01:37:16.199
any kind of sewer or anything

01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:21.220
so we don't get any benefits other than tax and that's just

01:37:21.220 --> 01:37:24.600
taken from us so that's just that's

01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:29.520
I'm not against building the expansion just that I'm just

01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:33.800
against the so many houses right there

01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:41.270
in that area and there's not enough road to handle it all

01:37:41.270 --> 01:37:45.319
so so anyway that's it. Okay thank you for

01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:49.880
your comments any questions for the speaker? Thank you sir.

01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:05.649
Hi my name is George Carroll I live in 5200 Mills Road. You

01:38:05.649 --> 01:38:07.560
'll have to pardon my voice

01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:15.189
the army gave it to me but I live in 5200. I back up to the

01:38:15.189 --> 01:38:18.199
Detroit Parks. I have lived

01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:25.680
out there 12 years now and the Detroit Parks for a while

01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:31.000
was pretty wild. They had to put a police

01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:36.359
substation in there. I'm here just to back up what Peter

01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:41.159
and the other folks said. In my area

01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:46.560
there's multi-million dollar houses and the landscape is

01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:49.640
beautiful. Now in the end,

01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:57.310
our six, I would like to see the place stay halfway. I'm

01:38:57.310 --> 01:39:02.039
just an old man or getting there

01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:10.960
and our six would just bring in more. I mean I know it's

01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:14.119
always but let's have some class.

01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:20.819
And that's really nice. Thank you. Thank you for your

01:39:20.819 --> 01:39:21.479
comments.

01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:25.720
This is a public hearing anyone else who would like to

01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:27.399
speak on this item please come forward

01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:37.859
at this time. Please give us your name and address and you

01:39:37.859 --> 01:39:40.199
'll have four minutes.

01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:45.020
Tina Crawford 520 Fox Creek Court in Texas. I got three

01:39:45.020 --> 01:39:48.039
notices by the way just had me covered

01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:51.850
and actually we have the property next door to this. We

01:39:51.850 --> 01:39:54.600
have the back five acres next to it

01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:59.800
and then the tent in front of it my in-laws on. And when

01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:02.199
they went to the tax office they said

01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:05.939
they got yellow slips saying that it was a zoned commercial

01:40:05.939 --> 01:40:08.760
. So I don't know what the difference is

01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:12.960
there but I would be against the NR6 just for the reasons

01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.560
that the gentleman outlined here.

01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:20.359
Just it's low lower scale too many houses and to address

01:40:20.359 --> 01:40:23.640
the question about nice houses on big

01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:26.270
roads four lane highways. I mean I work in Frisco

01:40:26.270 --> 01:40:29.079
everything's a huge road and everything's a nice

01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:31.659
house. So I mean it works very well and that's what it's

01:40:31.659 --> 01:40:33.319
what the rich folks want they want to

01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:36.550
get someplace fast. So I you know we're all about

01:40:36.550 --> 01:40:39.560
developing we've had the land for a long time we

01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:42.359
want to make as much as we can on our land and putting

01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:44.600
something like that right there on the

01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:49.880
corner is just something I would be against. Okay I see no

01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:52.359
questions thank you ma'am.

01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:57.239
This is a public hearing so please come forward this time.

01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:04.760
Hi I'm Sandy Butler and 4923 Mills Road is our address. I

01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:09.159
represent several family members and

01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:12.250
we have a house up there that was my husband that spoke

01:41:12.250 --> 01:41:14.359
before and none of us got any notice

01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:18.670
whatsoever of any of this and our house is right there you

01:41:18.670 --> 01:41:21.479
can see the picture of it on there.

01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:25.789
So it's very disappointing that this major of a of a plan

01:41:25.789 --> 01:41:28.600
would happen and nobody has any notice

01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:32.329
and we've lived there for a lot of years. My parents moved

01:41:32.329 --> 01:41:34.439
there in the 60s so you know

01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:41.810
it says that it was sent to the street address you know of

01:41:41.810 --> 01:41:44.760
the property and we have a PO box

01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:47.770
but it would be nice if you sent the notice to the same

01:41:47.770 --> 01:41:50.119
people who pay the taxes you know because

01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:53.760
obviously the city knows who pays the taxes and who lives

01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:55.399
there so that would be nice in the

01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:58.210
future to get notices that way. Can you show us where your

01:41:58.210 --> 01:42:00.119
property is maybe Haley can get the

01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.430
pointer up on the maps. The big white spot see that big

01:42:04.430 --> 01:42:07.960
white spot that just that looks north

01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:11.659
from here but anyway the big white house that's my house.

01:42:11.659 --> 01:42:14.439
This one where the cursor is or this one.

01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:19.109
Just up yeah that one the big one yep and the and the

01:42:19.109 --> 01:42:21.960
smaller one that's beneath that is my

01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:27.439
mom's house so. We only send notices to property within the

01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:28.600
city limits.

01:42:31.079 --> 01:42:34.210
Well I mean those those parcels are in the ETJ so they're

01:42:34.210 --> 01:42:36.840
technically still in the county.

01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:40.199
I believe our address list only sends notices to properties

01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:41.560
within the city limits.

01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:46.479
But we're I mean that's my that's my road you see that

01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:48.840
little line that comes down to Mills road

01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:51.170
and it's within spitting distance of that property you're

01:42:51.170 --> 01:42:53.479
talking about we're right there. Yes ma'am.

01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:57.159
Yeah we'll talk about that in a minute.

01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:04.600
This this is a public hearing anyone who would like to

01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:06.760
speak on this item please come forward at this time.

01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:14.779
This is a public hearing anyone else who would like to

01:43:14.779 --> 01:43:16.600
speak on this item please come forward at this time.

01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:24.800
Okay at this time I will close the public hearing for a

01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:26.840
discussion. Commissioner Smith.

01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.840
Thank you chair. Haley just a clarification on the mailing.

01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:35.930
So we only we do only send of course to people in the city

01:43:35.930 --> 01:43:37.399
and then if we're looking at who's

01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:39.470
paying the property taxes that's not even held at the city

01:43:39.470 --> 01:43:41.000
that's held at the county level correct.

01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:45.909
From the county so it's about one year behind because it is

01:43:45.909 --> 01:43:47.640
the certified roll

01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:51.170
and then all properties within 200 feet that are on that

01:43:51.170 --> 01:43:53.239
certified tax roll we send a notice

01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:56.560
to the property owner at their home address and then as a

01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:59.319
courtesy we extend a postcard notification

01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:02.079
to properties within the city that are within 500 feet and

01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:03.560
that just goes to the address not

01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:06.210
necessarily correct. Yeah so if there's not if there's not

01:44:06.210 --> 01:44:07.399
a if there's not an actual

01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:11.989
mail receptacle at the physical address what happens to

01:44:11.989 --> 01:44:14.039
that mail? I'm assuming it comes

01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:17.020
back to us because it does it just goes to current resident

01:44:17.020 --> 01:44:19.079
at that address. Okay all right.

01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:24.359
More questions. Commissioner Roselle. Haley.

01:44:28.359 --> 01:44:30.220
I I I very much hesitate to beat the drum about the

01:44:30.220 --> 01:44:34.439
notifications but we got a response from the

01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:37.529
property in the northeast that is also ETJ. Yes sir he

01:44:37.529 --> 01:44:39.640
called me today so I forwarded him

01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:41.979
and I emailed him the notification form so he could respond

01:44:41.979 --> 01:44:43.720
. Thank you for that clarification.

01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:51.640
Any other questions for Haley? Why is she set the mic?

01:44:53.960 --> 01:44:57.960
I'll ask one. We've had a number of people here tonight

01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:00.439
that have come up and obviously spoken

01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.729
in opposition. I don't know exactly where they are located

01:45:03.729 --> 01:45:05.479
in regards to the property and if

01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:09.899
that's changed the percentage that may be opposed for what

01:45:09.899 --> 01:45:12.439
is was presented earlier in our work

01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:15.199
session. I know we had one property that it was adjacent

01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:16.920
and I don't know exactly where all of

01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:21.020
these other properties are and if that's going to change

01:45:21.020 --> 01:45:24.119
the percentage as far as opposition for

01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:27.390
the vote here this evening. I don't know if we need to take

01:45:27.390 --> 01:45:29.000
some time to gather that or

01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:33.489
I'll leave the legal to give us some guidance on that item.

01:45:33.489 --> 01:45:35.640
Thank you chair. Obviously we

01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:39.109
we won't be affected for the purposes of our vote here

01:45:39.109 --> 01:45:41.399
tonight but if in fact that does go

01:45:41.399 --> 01:45:44.869
toward the 20 percent and they are in the city limits which

01:45:44.869 --> 01:45:46.279
is what the law requires

01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:51.050
then that would trigger a super majority vote in front of

01:45:51.050 --> 01:45:53.079
council when it goes to council.

01:45:53.079 --> 01:45:56.380
Okay so just a council. Just a council not a PNC. Okay all

01:45:56.380 --> 01:45:57.880
right thank you.

01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:02.970
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. For clarification I

01:46:02.970 --> 01:46:03.800
think of the property

01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:06.890
owners that spoke here can we maybe get Haley to describe

01:46:06.890 --> 01:46:08.600
what that 20 percent is?

01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:15.399
Sure. I think she was out of the room if you'd like to

01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:17.560
Commissioner Ellis restate your question.

01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:19.720
Thank you. For the benefit of the property owners who spoke

01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:20.600
there and what was just

01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:24.079
conversed on the dais regarding the 20 percent can you

01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:28.600
explain that? Yes so I believe the

01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:32.029
requirement is if more than 20 percent of the property

01:46:32.029 --> 01:46:35.000
owners of the land area within 200 feet

01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:38.199
that is within the city are opposed to the request it

01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:40.199
triggers a super majority vote at

01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:42.560
city council so they could only have one opposing vote at

01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:44.119
council and the motion still carry.

01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:51.159
Okay any other questions for Haley?

01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:55.880
Thank you. You might want to stay close to the mic here.

01:46:58.600 --> 01:47:02.920
Okay so the floor is open for discussion or a motion.

01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:11.319
I don't know if we have or not. Okay you sure didn't? Well

01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:12.840
if I haven't already I will close

01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.720
the public hearing since no one else is coming forward and

01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:17.079
I will open the the floor for

01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:22.170
discussion or motion. Commissioner Sanchez. It seems like

01:47:22.170 --> 01:47:24.600
everybody that came up and talked

01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:29.069
is concerned about Mills Road and that's probably the

01:47:29.069 --> 01:47:30.680
unknown is the fact that.

01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:35.520
And I've been at Mills Road and yeah it is it is a pretty

01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:39.479
narrow road and I've also heard

01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:45.000
that some students coming off Mills Road have gotten hurt

01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:48.199
from because the school is there

01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:54.159
and people coming off the back road. So I think we're bas

01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:57.000
ing all our information on

01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:01.960
what we currently see at Mills Road but I think long term

01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:05.560
that area is going to develop and the

01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:10.149
fact that it's close to the school is to me a positive

01:48:10.149 --> 01:48:12.760
thing about having homes you know

01:48:14.279 --> 01:48:18.680
affordable housing close to the school long term as a city

01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:21.000
but I think our biggest fear is

01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:25.079
what we see at Mills Road. I mean I drove up there today

01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:27.239
and I went down Mayhill Road and I've been

01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:32.630
Mayhill Road to me has always been an accident waiting to

01:48:32.630 --> 01:48:35.159
happen and Mills Road is just about

01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:38.710
just about the same thing but I think if we can guarantee

01:48:38.710 --> 01:48:41.079
or not guarantee but if the city we have

01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:45.130
to talk to the city and those that are in charge of those

01:48:45.130 --> 01:48:47.479
two roads make sure that they get

01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:51.920
developed correctly so that the congestion won't be there

01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:54.359
but we can't do that today but I think

01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:57.770
long term that should have been taken care of a long time

01:48:57.770 --> 01:48:59.560
ago because that road has been a

01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:03.529
disaster Mill Road has been a disaster for years and so it

01:49:03.529 --> 01:49:05.479
's something that should have been taken

01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:08.770
care long time ago and I don't know probably we're trying

01:49:08.770 --> 01:49:11.000
to work with the school and with the city

01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:13.720
and trying to get those those two roads those that

01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:16.279
particular road taken care of and I think it would

01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:21.670
alleviate a lot of the anxiety that most of you feel. Okay

01:49:21.670 --> 01:49:26.039
Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair.

01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:28.319
Sometimes we have to pick and choose our battles of course

01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:30.600
when we want to have knockdown drag out

01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:35.149
fights till 1 a.m here P and Z. Zoning is not going to be

01:49:35.149 --> 01:49:37.319
that that time when we get to preliminary

01:49:37.319 --> 01:49:40.979
plotting it will be that time. I went to Ryan High School I

01:49:40.979 --> 01:49:43.000
've had a drive up and down Mills

01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:45.430
Road I've lived out in Oak Point Texas and I drive up down

01:49:45.430 --> 01:49:46.920
Mills Road more times than I ever

01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:50.359
probably want to probably just just a little bit less than

01:49:50.359 --> 01:49:52.520
you guys of course so I will agree with

01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:54.800
you that Mills Road is a mess and it's definitely something

01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:56.359
that will need to be fixed and will be

01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:59.520
addressed but it won't be addressed at zoning it's got to

01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:01.560
be addressed at at that point in time

01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:04.380
when we get to plotting and in regards to zoning then if we

01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:06.920
're saying you know NR2 and NR3 then

01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:10.550
you know what about why are we going to do NR6 I think it'd

01:50:10.550 --> 01:50:12.359
be be in the best interest of the city

01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:16.779
if we if we allowed the most amount per per acre that we

01:50:16.779 --> 01:50:19.560
can and then back down during preliminary

01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:22.800
plotting to say well we think you should only have four per

01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.600
acre to have quarter acre lots

01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:26.920
or maybe we should think you have third acre lots we can

01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:28.840
back down from the NR6 just because the

01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:31.800
maximum density of six doesn't mean we have to approve it

01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:33.159
for six and so I think allowing

01:50:33.159 --> 01:50:36.000
those we can and then fighting down from there instead of

01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:37.800
having say NR2 and then having to

01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:41.539
come back and rezone it for NR3 or rezone up to NR6 if

01:50:41.539 --> 01:50:44.199
there's that need for it so rather shoot

01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:46.449
high than have to come down have to shoot low and have to

01:50:46.449 --> 01:50:48.199
go through a whole new rezoning process

01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:53.350
and then honestly just lastly when it comes to construction

01:50:53.350 --> 01:50:56.279
costs nowadays we've discussed this

01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:58.840
in past planning and zoning commissions and meetings that

01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:00.439
when it comes to construction costs

01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:02.750
nowadays there's not a whole lot of new builds they're

01:51:02.750 --> 01:51:04.439
going to be counted to quote-unquote

01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:07.899
affordable housing just because of the the cost of the time

01:51:07.899 --> 01:51:09.880
it has to be put into developing a

01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:12.840
piece of land so I think that the preliminary planning

01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:14.920
process is where we're going to need

01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:19.319
y'all's input and I would greatly like to see you guys come

01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:21.560
back and bring up your your issues and

01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:23.470
your concerns at that point in time and we will most

01:51:23.470 --> 01:51:25.159
certainly take them into consideration.

01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:31.869
I'm going to call on legal just to pause for just a second

01:51:31.869 --> 01:51:35.239
and clarify once we zone property

01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:38.649
and how it comes before us back as platting and the density

01:51:38.649 --> 01:51:40.840
and what our abilities once something is

01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:45.189
zoned if the criteria met on the plat what our ability is

01:51:45.189 --> 01:51:47.319
to approve or not approve those.

01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:52.569
First in addressing the zoning issue we do advertise in our

01:51:52.569 --> 01:51:54.359
notices that we can

01:51:56.439 --> 01:51:59.859
take a lesser zoning category at the time of the zoning

01:51:59.859 --> 01:52:03.000
request into consideration but we can't

01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.560
take a greater amount of zoning category so that's going to

01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:07.479
be something a little bit more intensive

01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:11.069
like the nr6 so if we were to approve the nr6 tonight we

01:52:11.069 --> 01:52:13.479
wouldn't necessarily be able to come

01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:17.050
back and lower the zoning category because that would be a

01:52:17.050 --> 01:52:19.079
down zoning and it would be up to the

01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:21.859
property owner whether or not they would be amenable to

01:52:21.859 --> 01:52:23.640
something like that we can't do it

01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:28.100
unilaterally or we shouldn't and when the the platting

01:52:28.100 --> 01:52:31.000
stage comes you will not receive a public

01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:33.430
notification you only receive a public notification for the

01:52:33.430 --> 01:52:35.079
zoning piece so you're going to have to

01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:39.050
watch the agendas to see when that preliminary plat is

01:52:39.050 --> 01:52:42.119
going to come and really the final plat

01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:44.729
is the most important sometimes they come together

01:52:44.729 --> 01:52:48.279
sometimes they come separately but the the zoning

01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:52.359
commission can only look at the technical requirements and

01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:53.960
make sure that they are met

01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:57.369
on a plat they have no discretion as to whether or not they

01:52:57.369 --> 01:52:59.720
're going to approve a plat so long as the

01:52:59.720 --> 01:53:02.810
technical requirements are requirements are met so in this

01:53:02.810 --> 01:53:04.840
case you won't get notice of a preliminary

01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:08.130
plat you're going to have to look at the agenda number one

01:53:08.130 --> 01:53:11.960
number two you're going to have to look

01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:15.859
at the technical requirements of the plat which would

01:53:15.859 --> 01:53:19.159
include access it would include the traffic

01:53:19.159 --> 01:53:23.939
impact analysis to see if there's some way to focus your

01:53:23.939 --> 01:53:27.079
your comments on those things otherwise

01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:29.640
the commission is not going to be able to overturn it at

01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:31.479
that time either so we just wanted to give

01:53:31.479 --> 01:53:34.300
you that information so that you're fully aware of what our

01:53:34.300 --> 01:53:36.359
limitations are here at the commission

01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:42.010
just a second hold on let me let legal finish and then we

01:53:42.010 --> 01:53:42.279
'll

01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:45.960
no i'm finished you can if you want him to come forward

01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:49.819
if you hold on just a second let us ask you a question

01:53:49.819 --> 01:53:52.199
because you've already come to the mic

01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:54.619
to speak and with that's under the rules so if you'll

01:53:54.619 --> 01:53:56.760
please come to the mic we'll be happy to

01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.560
ask you a question and give you an opportunity to hopefully

01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:01.960
engage with us here and get your

01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:05.369
concern addressed so we were going to ask a question you

01:54:05.369 --> 01:54:07.960
had a question in regards to legal

01:54:07.960 --> 01:54:11.380
on how the explanation was and the zoning and the planning

01:54:11.380 --> 01:54:13.479
so can you express what your concern is

01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:18.340
with that yes how do we know what when or where the agenda

01:54:18.340 --> 01:54:21.800
is reported do we go online or so the

01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:25.460
agenda is required to be posted 72 hours in advance of the

01:54:25.460 --> 01:54:27.720
meeting and you're going to be able to find

01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:31.520
it on the city's website under the open government section

01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:33.800
if you have access to a computer which i

01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:37.960
know you don't but if you do then it's on the website and

01:54:37.960 --> 01:54:40.600
you can actually click on it and pull

01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:43.689
it up it'll go by date and if you have problems finding

01:54:43.689 --> 01:54:46.520
that you can always call someone at the

01:54:46.520 --> 01:54:49.739
city maybe the city secretary ask her how to access that if

01:54:49.739 --> 01:54:52.039
you do not have access to a computer we do

01:54:52.039 --> 01:54:56.060
post the agenda in the hallway at city hall main which is

01:54:56.060 --> 01:54:59.000
this building and there is one posted at

01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:02.300
the end towards the legal department on the outside just

01:55:02.300 --> 01:55:04.520
interior to the door but outside of the

01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:08.029
hallway and it's posted where you can see every page and so

01:55:08.029 --> 01:55:10.039
if you just want to come up and look

01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:13.029
at that or you can call and you can check with the

01:55:13.029 --> 01:55:15.880
department of development services to see

01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:19.850
if or when it might be placed on the agenda occasionally so

01:55:19.850 --> 01:55:21.239
that you can make sure that

01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:25.069
you're up on whatever yes i think there's also an

01:55:25.069 --> 01:55:28.760
opportunity on the website i believe there are

01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:33.159
uh projects that are posted on the website as they have

01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:35.640
been applied for that are in progress

01:55:35.640 --> 01:55:38.760
and maybe we can speak to that as to how that shows on our

01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:41.399
maps so you can just go on the map

01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:44.090
and look at projects and it will actually highlight every

01:55:44.090 --> 01:55:45.960
single project that's currently being

01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:49.239
applied for or worked on through the process of the city

01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:52.359
didn't is that correct still okay so that's

01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:55.949
one more way that you can can do it if you have access to a

01:55:55.949 --> 01:55:58.279
computer thank you i was confused

01:55:58.840 --> 01:56:02.050
thank you commissioner back thank you chair and i want to

01:56:02.050 --> 01:56:04.600
thank everybody from the public came

01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:08.189
down and speak spoke to this subject tonight your input is

01:56:08.189 --> 01:56:10.600
very important and it does impact our

01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:14.670
decision i realize too that this little corner of the world

01:56:14.670 --> 01:56:17.079
that y'all been living in has been

01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:20.409
you know nice the way it's been for a long time and i

01:56:20.409 --> 01:56:21.640
understand that

01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:27.380
city of denton is growing though and it's going to reach

01:56:27.380 --> 01:56:29.880
all areas of the city and it looks like

01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:32.439
unfortunately it's starting to come into your area

01:56:32.439 --> 01:56:34.199
understand the concern about nr6

01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:40.840
it's not going to be low price but it is compared to houses

01:56:40.840 --> 01:56:43.239
of more square footage

01:56:43.239 --> 01:56:46.760
yes they're not going to be as expensive denton's in dire

01:56:46.760 --> 01:56:49.560
need of affordable housing if we can call

01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:52.789
it that and for some it would be as opposed to a house that

01:56:52.789 --> 01:56:55.079
's three or four thousand square feet

01:56:56.920 --> 01:56:59.199
we also i think everybody's mentioned here that we're going

01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:00.920
to look at the other factors that

01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:03.850
you're concerned about we talked about them in the work

01:57:03.850 --> 01:57:06.600
session briefly so they will be

01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:11.399
addressed the roads traffic stuff like that and other

01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:14.760
concerns but there will be when they

01:57:15.720 --> 01:57:19.659
when this nr6 area comes in they'll be putting barriers up

01:57:19.659 --> 01:57:22.920
to that that are next to different

01:57:22.920 --> 01:57:26.510
zoned areas so in that capacity you'll have some separation

01:57:26.510 --> 01:57:28.600
there and a little bit of privacy but

01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:32.659
there's a it's not going to be i know you're you've got the

01:57:32.659 --> 01:57:34.920
worst scene scenario here and

01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:37.720
i'm not going to say it's not going to be a little bit more

01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:40.760
of a headache than you're used to but it

01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:44.640
won't be designed such that it's going to have a negative

01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:47.800
effect on your property in my opinion i

01:57:47.800 --> 01:57:50.430
i've lived in those areas i've seen these areas build up

01:57:50.430 --> 01:57:52.119
and develop and do quite well and the

01:57:52.119 --> 01:57:54.729
fact that it is close to a school that this this is just an

01:57:54.729 --> 01:57:56.600
area that affords an opportunity for

01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:59.409
him at least to move closer to it than to travel the long

01:57:59.409 --> 01:58:02.199
distance that some of them do so but i do

01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:04.760
appreciate your input and i'll let go what everybody else

01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:06.760
has said here please come back when we clap

01:58:06.760 --> 01:58:11.350
that and uh like to hear uh more of what you have to say

01:58:11.350 --> 01:58:12.279
thank you

01:58:16.119 --> 01:58:18.560
commissioner rooseau thank you chair i appreciate everyone

01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:21.399
coming out and hearing your perspective

01:58:22.039 --> 01:58:25.470
some of you all have been there 70 plus years and so i

01:58:25.470 --> 01:58:28.199
certainly don't take that lightly looking at

01:58:28.199 --> 01:58:32.729
the overall area i do feel nr6 is an appropriate zoning

01:58:32.729 --> 01:58:35.880
classification for that land and so i'm

01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:39.329
going to go ahead and motion approval of this and i think

01:58:39.329 --> 01:58:41.479
um just based on this feedback i'll be

01:58:41.479 --> 01:58:44.310
highly interested to see how the plat looks to see how the

01:58:44.310 --> 01:58:46.680
traffic comes in from mayhill versus mills

01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:50.319
it could be that the majority of traffic can enter from

01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:53.720
from mayhill and not take uh too much

01:58:53.720 --> 01:58:55.880
traffic on mills i'm so i'm interested that i haven't seen

01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:56.920
any of that so i don't know

01:58:57.479 --> 01:59:00.350
but i think uh during that plotting phase we'll better

01:59:00.350 --> 01:59:04.119
understand what kind of uh left turn right

01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:06.729
turn is going to be happening at mayhill and mills and and

01:59:06.729 --> 01:59:08.199
the curb cuts needed to access

01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:11.149
the development there and so i encourage you all to be

01:59:11.149 --> 01:59:12.920
involved in that as legal said

01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:16.060
to look for technical requirements to make sure everything

01:59:16.060 --> 01:59:17.800
's copacetic in terms of managing

01:59:17.800 --> 01:59:22.409
traffic appropriately in sewage and all those things rain

01:59:22.409 --> 01:59:24.279
water but i do feel that it's an

01:59:24.279 --> 01:59:27.109
appropriate designation for that area given the development

01:59:27.109 --> 01:59:28.520
that is persisting on mayhill

01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:33.729
commissioner smith i second the motion to accept okay we

01:59:33.729 --> 01:59:35.720
have a first and a second for

01:59:35.720 --> 01:59:40.310
approval of the zoning is there any other discussion or

01:59:40.310 --> 01:59:43.159
questions commissioner ellis

01:59:43.159 --> 01:59:46.020
thank you chair uh just want to take a couple moments i am

01:59:46.020 --> 01:59:48.520
going to support this um thank you

01:59:48.520 --> 01:59:51.939
all for sharing your concerns um i guess my thoughts are

01:59:51.939 --> 01:59:53.960
development has to start somewhere

01:59:53.960 --> 01:59:57.430
especially with property coming out of the etj so it's got

01:59:57.430 --> 01:59:59.479
us the first place of development is to

01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:03.109
start with zoning this zoning with what's been going on in

02:00:03.109 --> 02:00:05.239
the area what our future land use

02:00:05.239 --> 02:00:09.579
looks like what our 2030 plan looks like makes sense for

02:00:09.579 --> 02:00:12.199
this corner we can all agree that road

02:00:12.199 --> 02:00:15.840
infrastructure never seems to be ahead of the development

02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:17.960
but it will all happen eventually

02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:24.279
so to me this does make sense but do please pay attention

02:00:24.279 --> 02:00:27.079
look at the agenda come back and talk

02:00:27.079 --> 02:00:29.859
with us and share your concerns it is important to know

02:00:29.859 --> 02:00:31.960
your concerns especially as this moves

02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:36.399
forward to to platting site plan what what have you thank

02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:38.520
you commissioner sanchez

02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:43.180
i also appreciate you all coming out i think it's giving us

02:00:43.180 --> 02:00:45.239
a sense of what to look for in the

02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:50.090
future when this uh you know when uh other when we get some

02:00:50.090 --> 02:00:53.000
more information on on that area and

02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:58.199
what uh on the plat on the platting of that particular area

02:00:58.199 --> 02:01:00.119
i think you've get you've made

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us aware of what your concerns are and that's going to make

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us more uh push for for better

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improve improvements in that area based on your input so we

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do appreciate you coming out i mean

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that's the only way we know what's going on in those

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neighborhoods by you people by the neighbors

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coming out and telling us what their concerns are and so i

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think in the future anything

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associated with mills road will be better equipped to make

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better decisions thank you

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commissioner smith thank you chair i have one business card

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so if anybody over here would like

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to make it a little bit easier on you instead of having to

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keep checking the website uh feel free

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for one of you guys to grab it shoot me an email just

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saying hey this is so and so from the

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from the bnz meeting i'll put it somewhere and i'll make

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sure whenever i see it on the

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agenda i'll shoot you an email and let you know when it's

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coming up so i'll take that upon us as

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a commission to make sure you guys are notified and you

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guys aren't lost especially with the

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mailing issues that we've been taking on so thank you thank

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you tim any other questions or comments

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on this item before we call for a vote on the board

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thank you all for coming out this evening and giving us a

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lot of feedback and input

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um been a good discussion on this item and i will call for

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a vote on the board at this time

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we have a motion to approve on the floor

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that motion is going to carry seven to zero

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we'll move us to our final item on our agenda tonight our

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project uh matrix i've got

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one for sure i'd like to put on there give the room a

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minute to clear

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thank you for coming out this evening

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thank you all for coming out tonight

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Mr. Stout since you don't have access to a computer why don

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't you get with Haley

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thank you

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it was a pretty good discussion so i have one item um i don

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't want to put on our uh matrix we've been

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talking about notice and i know that's coming back to us um

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i guess i was unaware that we don't send

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notice to etj and i'd like for us to consider that as we

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look at that again um here that we might

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want to consider doing that to properties that are adjacent

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to things that are in the city in this

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particular instance where they're right next door but they

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don't get a notice because they're in the

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etj that may or may not be something that we can do but at

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least to put it on that list and then

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we can talk about whether that's appropriate or not at the

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time in the future unless you want to

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have some discussion about it now we could do it in the

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context of a potential ddc amendment if you

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i know that we're putting some notice provisions in the

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clarion updates um currently we go by state

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law that that 200 feet within the city limits is by state

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law they don't they don't require it out

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in the etj so that's why we have not been doing that we do

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have that 500 foot courtesy notice but

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we keep it in line with the state statute so that we just

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do it within the city tax rules but if you

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want a policy change to where that courtesy notice can go

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into the etj then that's something that we

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can propose we probably would want to brief council on that

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sure see where they want to go

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from a policy standpoint okay um i just know it was on i

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think it's supposed to be coming back on

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our agenda i think it's been on there for a while for

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notice and so while that's going to be coming

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before us i guess in a work session at some point again i

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think this would be an item that we would

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want to include in that discussion unless staff feels like

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it needs to move forward quicker than

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that and take it to city council but i think this is a

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great case to to bring that as an example of

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they will ultimately be in the city but they have no say at

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this time so anyway that's my one

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commissioner rozzelle thank you chair i have two for

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clarification the new mailing mailers

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posting requirements those are in place but for only new

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projects so projects that happened back

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in september wouldn't be under the new mailing is that

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correct can someone clarify those mailing

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when what projects get the new mailers that is correct so

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any that were submitted uh october one

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which was the start of the new fiscal year would be subject

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to the new the new requirements okay

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perfect so we'll hopefully start seeing that implemented in

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projects coming forward the next

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couple meetings uh the other thing i had was many moons ago

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there was talk about commission getting

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together with council more formally and i didn't know if

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there's been any traction with that

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in regards to some of the there's there's been a lot of

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things that we wanted to talk to council

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about so i didn't know if there's been any momentum in

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trying to have a joint meeting with

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the commission and council can i ask what subjects i knew

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you would

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i thought tree ordinance is one of them but there might

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have been a couple of their items in which

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there was discussion about getting together if that is

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needed information i don't have it

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perhaps we can discuss it offline sounds good okay

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commissioner solvent uh back to the uh

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mailing would it be possible to put the uh 200 and 500 feet

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you know outline where you have it

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on an actual map uh because the more i looked at what we

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get which is sort of a very basic map

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and you look at a google map it appeared to me that nobody

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lives within the 200 feet area

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and much you know much less than 500 feet but i couldn't

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really tell because the map doesn't

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appear you know it doesn't you know it doesn't match up and

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so i'm just wondering uh since we've

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got the uh the zoning future zoning maps and all those

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things uh that are on actual google map kind

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of things put that 200 and 500 radius on an actual map

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where we can see what houses so somebody can

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come up and use the pointer and say that's my house well

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they said that's my house and they're

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you know a thousand feet away from it just a thought in

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fact i made that exact same note on my

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on my map to to delineate it better to have to show an

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aerial but then to also delineate between

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city city property within the city and unincorporated

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properties

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anything else for our project matrix

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no okay then i will close us at eight o'clock this evening

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thank you everyone and thank you

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everyone for coming out tonight