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This meeting has been duly posted and we do have a quorum

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present and I will call us to order at 505.

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At this time I will turn the meeting over to Richard for

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clarification of our agenda items and presentations.

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>> Good evening, I just wanted to point out one item is

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going to be moving off of consent.

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That would be item 3C, which is a final plaque.

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This is the Duluth and Northern tool that is going to be

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moving to item 4,

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it will be item 4A, so it will go under items for

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individual consideration.

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And Haley, if you can just come up for a second and

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maybe explain why we're moving it from consent to

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under items under individual consideration.

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>> And I'm sorry, so that we're clear that's going to be a

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sub item of 4A?

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>> Are we taking that up before the alternative development

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plan?

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>> After the alternative.

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>> Okay, so it's a separate item?

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>> Separate item.

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>> So 4B.

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>> 4B.

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>> Did I say 4A?

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>> Yes. >> 4B, I'm sorry.

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>> I'm the only one that made it.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay, so this is a final plaque.

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It's fairly straightforward.

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The reasoning for pulling it from the consent agenda is

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that there is a drive location down here on the south side

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that is within text dot right of way.

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And the applicant was not able to get a hold harmless

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agreement executed prior to this meeting.

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Holding the city harmless if their text dot permit is not

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approved after the fact.

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So we're requesting that you will conditionally approve

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this pending that their text dot permit be approved after

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the final plat is approved.

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Or that they complete that hold harmless agreement after

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the fact.

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>> Commissioner Rizal.

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>> Does that mean they couldn't move forward until they get

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the text out of agreement?

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Once they get that, they don't have to come back to us?

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Or can they proceed with their work on a conditional

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approval from us?

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>> This would allow the plat to be approved and then they

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could get that text dot permit approved in the interim

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before their plat is filed.

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>> Okay, thanks.

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>> Commissioner Ellis.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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So from what you're saying, our affirmative vote should

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have that condition behind it.

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Is that correct?

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>> Yes, that is correct.

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Seeing no more other questions, I'll turn it back over to

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Richard for continuing of clarification of our agenda items

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>> 3A, actually Haley, can you mind just kind of going over

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a little bit of item 3A, the Mission Street offices?

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So this is a final plat of a property that you all have

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seen a couple of times before at the corner of Mission

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Street and Fort Worth Drive.

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This final plat is for the first phase of the office park

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development.

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We had an alternative development plan for this property a

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few months ago, and so

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they're now moving forward with phase one of their final

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plat to begin that project.

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>> I think you've got the next two as well if there are

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other questions for B or C.

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>> Not sure where the rotate button ran off to.

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>> Okay, so this is a final plat of Denton Commons.

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So they're final platting these two lots at this time for

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the construction of a hotel on lot one.

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>> Any questions for Haley on this item?

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Thank you.

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I move us to C.

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>> That was the one we just discussed, actually.

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>> I'm sorry, you're correct.

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That's been moved to 4B, my bad.

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>> The next final plot that we have is for the Warshin

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addition.

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The property is in the ETJ and it is just a two acre lot to

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accommodate a single family dwelling.

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Be accessed by a private access easement.

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That's in conformance with subchapter 16 of the Denton

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Development Code.

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>> Why are we seeing this?

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>> The city of Denton still has platting authority within

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wouldn't do the building permit.

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>> Okay, I thought it had to be five lots or something like

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that before we saw it.

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I may be out of step, so thank you.

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And then the final one, I did not pull up in this, so let

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me pull it up really quickly.

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And this plot is just to accommodate a single family

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residential neighborhood in their private street,

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in their open space lots.

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>> Does this have a certain kind of home that can go on?

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months ago.

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>> It would not be one of the villas, it would just be one

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of their other products,

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just one of their, depending on the lot size and what they

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classify it as.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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Anybody else?

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That's our consent agenda.

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Looks like we'll have, Julie will be here for 4A, the Ross

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>> All right.

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So I'm presenting ADP 17 to Ross Law Office.

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So request before you is to consider an alternative

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development plan to deviate from sub

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chapter 13 of the DDC, which requires permeable paving for

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excess parking.

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So the subject property is located off of Woodrow Lane, I'm

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sorry,

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south of McKinney, about 275 feet south of McKinney.

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It's about a half acre site and it is located in a CMG

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zoning district.

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Just to walk you through the site plan, the proposal is for

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a professional office about 4,300 square feet.

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The proposed lot coverage, which includes the building, the

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drive aisle, the parking spaces,

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all of the concrete, what rain can't get through, is about

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58.3% of the lot.

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CMG actually allows 80% lot coverage, so it's less than

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what is permitted.

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Sub chapter 14 outlines the parking requirements.

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One space per 450 square feet is required for this use, so

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that's about ten spaces.

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The applicant felt like that wasn't sufficient in order to

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accommodate all of the parking that they needed, so they're

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proposing 15 spaces.

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Sub chapter 13 requires that any spaces over the required

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amount has to be constructed of a pervious surface.

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But sub chapter 13 also allows for a deviation from some of

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these site design requirements,

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provided that the request meets the criteria for approval

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and that the site plan's approved by the Planning and Z

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oning Commission.

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So that's why we're here. So you can see the proposed

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building here in blue.

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That's that 4,300 square foot building, or 4,350.

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And then here are the proposed 15 parking spaces.

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The landscape plan shows a grass channel to be constructed

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adjacent to the additional parking spaces.

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This is intended to be planted with dense grasses, and the

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reason for this is to allow storm water to run off into

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this channel.

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It's designed to remove pollutants, so as the water slowly

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drains through this channel,

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it would pull out some of those pollutants that would be

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suspended within runoff in rain events.

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Yes, sir?

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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So this is going to be, when they design this, this is

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designed to drain to that and then drain into an area that

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will carry it to where?

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To probably, and Jim might be able to speak to that.

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draining to, but maybe he can-

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To our sewage system?

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Either storm sewer or the street.

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So it's going to drain out towards Woodrow then, I assume?

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And we'll go over the drainage- he's nodding, so yes, sir.

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We'll go over the drainage plan in just a minute.

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So the intent of this, and I guess I should back up, the

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intent of why we have these pervious surface requirements

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is to ensure that the parking areas have, that they don't

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overly impact the environment with the pollutants suspended

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Also to ensure that any visual impacts associated with the

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parking, the additional parking would be mitigated.

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So in this sense, it's just five spaces.

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It's a pretty small area.

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And so by putting in this channel here, it would address

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those environmental impacts of those additional parking

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spaces.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I just- something struck me curious about this, it seems.

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And correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe you don't know if

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you don't, that's fine.

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But the cost of- wouldn't the cost of adding five more

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impervious parking spaces be a little bit more than not?

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I got to always think about it.

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this area now where the water is going to drain out,

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it seems like cost-wise, it would be cheaper to do the per

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I don't know what the balance sheet would be on both of

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I know that gravel would not be a permitted surface for

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parking in this area due to the zoning classification.

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Questions be answered.

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Thank you, Commissioner.

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All right, and then here's the drainage plan.

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And as you can see, the purple, there's some arrows here

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showing that the runoff is intended to drain toward this

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grass channel.

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So the considerations that staff looked at when we analyzed

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the request is, first of all, what is the intent of the

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requirement?

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And that's to ensure that we reduce negative effects

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associated with extra parking like pollutants and dirt

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packs.

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We also looked at the proposal against the criteria for

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approval and staff has determined it meets the criteria for

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approval.

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We'll just go over those briefly.

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First, preserve existing neighborhoods.

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Because this is a commercial area, this request is not

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anticipated to negatively impact the area.

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To assure quality development, the request is not to lower

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design standards, but

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just to adequately park the property and make sure that

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they have enough spaces for their employees and clients.

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To focus new development to activity centers, the location

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of this proposal is on an undeveloped lot adjacent to an

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existing secondary arterial and existing commercial

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development.

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So this wouldn't produce sprawl.

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It's gonna stay localized in an existing commercial area.

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To ensure that infrastructure can accommodate the

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development, the necessary infrastructure is in place.

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You have adequate access.

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And then it results in a high quality development meeting

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the intent of the standards.

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So the intent of the standard is to make sure that we

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accommodate for that additional parking.

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The proposal exceeds the lot coverage requirements.

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And it also by proposing this grass channel will mitigate

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for

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any environmental impacts associated with that additional

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parking.

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Also staff- >> Commissioner Smith.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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>> Just a quick question on this.

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So this is gonna be on their private property, correct?

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So the upkeep is gonna be left to the property owner,

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correct?

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It's not gonna be like the median of a street where it's

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gonna be the city's responsibility?

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>> Yes, sir. >> Okay, thank you.

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>> And then also because this is a secondary- >>

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Commissioner Sullivan.

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>> While we're there.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Is there a soil survey that's been done?

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I mean, the reason I'm asking is if it's clay, it's not

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gonna absorb much water.

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It's gonna go straight to the curb.

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So I don't see where pollutants are gonna be removed.

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If it's sandy loam, then obviously there's gonna be much

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more absorption going in.

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And if this is really designed to take the place of a

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simple retention area,

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where they just dig a hole, let the water go, and then

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eventually seep into the ground.

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I'm just wondering why that's not an alternative that would

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be less expensive,

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talking about the different types of materials to put on

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the ground and

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to do what they were really wanting to do, which is remove

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the pollutants from the cars or what have you.

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>> Well, and I don't know about what kind of retention or

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detention that they would need regarding the site.

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That's being reviewed with our engineering department.

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This really is just to accommodate for these additional

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parking spaces.

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This channel has been reviewed by our water administration

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and how they're proposing to design it.

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And so they feel that it meets the requirements in order to

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make sure that it's gonna do what they want it to do.

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And part of that was that they felt like the runoff was

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going to get to the channel and drain out too quickly.

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And so that's why the dense grass requirement was important

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to slow down that water and

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allow the water to percolate down so that it drains more

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slowly and it can capture those pollutants.

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And our final point of analysis was to look at the street

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classification of Woodrow and

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the fact that parking isn't permitted on there.

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So really they do need to accommodate that excess parking

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on their site to ensure that they have that sufficient

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capacity.

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So we feel like that was something that they needed to

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accommodate for.

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So based upon the criteria for approval and the

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considerations that we just discussed,

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staff does recommend approval of the request with the

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following conditions to construct the grass channel

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designed to treat approximately 972 square feet of drainage

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area during

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an event generating 1.5 inches of rain or less as depicted

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on the landscape plan and drainage area map.

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And align that channel with dense types of grasses to

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reduce the flow velocity and

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increase the treatment residence time as depicted on the

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landscape plan.

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So I'll stand for any questions.

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>> Commissioner Roselle.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Was the applicant already planning to put in this drainage

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control prior to needing the ADP?

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>> The applicant should be here tonight.

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I don't know if that's something that they were planning on

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doing prior to the alternate.

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>> Do you know if they're agreeable to such conditions?

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>> You might want to check with them, but it is something

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that we've worked with them and

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this was something that they submitted to us, so.

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>> And then the last question I have is if this is 810

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square feet for the parking spaces,

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if they were to increase the size of their building by 810

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square feet, that doesn't require an ADP?

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>> No, sir.

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>> And that would obviously be impermeable material.

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>> So because it's a parking space, that's what has the ADP

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?

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> Okay, I'd be interested to know their willingness to do

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all this, not all this, but these two extra steps.

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But I can talk to them at meeting, thanks.

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>> Sure.

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>> Commissioner Sanchez.

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>> Yeah, I was looking at that.

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What he just mentioned is as far as why give them an extra,

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it seems like they have extra work to do simply because

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they're adding five parking lots,

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parking spaces when they have, they've only met what is it,

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53% without it, the way it stands.

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And so they haven't met the 80%.

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So it seems like we're giving them more work or giving them

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, like he just said, it doesn't seem right.

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I mean, we should make things easier.

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If they haven't met the 80%, then they should be, because,

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okay,

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because they haven't met that 80%, then they should still

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be able to build enough parking spots until they cover that

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.

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So it just doesn't make sense to me why we would enforce

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something based on,

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because we also have not looked at the soil that was

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previously mentioned on the periphery of a parking.

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Area.

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And so we're just throwing an arbitrary, seems like an

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arbitrary number, say 80%.

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Okay, this is what we're going to give you based on what,

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what if you have clay on the outskirts,

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on the perimeter of the parking lot, or what if you have

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soil,

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would that make it increase the permeability or the area

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that can be covered?

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So there's a lot of stuff there that, you know, has a

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little bit of concern.

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So I throw more work on the individual when our job, it

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seems like, is to not necessarily give them a pass,

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but not to add additional cost to the project based on just

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because they have five extra parking spots.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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My question is probably really for either Richard or

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Jennifer.

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I've noticed in options down here, it says approved

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submitted or approved subject to conditions.

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Seems like it's submitted with the conditions, so I would,

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it seems redundant.

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So, I mean, I don't see this being a problem and approved.

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I would like to make sure the conditions are applied.

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But so if I did one, would I be negating the conditions if

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we approved it?

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I think that's approved as submitted by the applicant

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originally, which did not include those conditions,

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but they were developed over time through negotiation.

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Okay, okay. Got you.

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All right. So that's something to keep in mind when we cast

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a vote.

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Commissioner Ellis.

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Thank you, Chair.

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With regard to what Commissioner Sanchez said, which makes

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total sense,

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but doesn't the code limit us from saying because you're

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only developing 53%, we can negate this?

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I'm assuming we're somewhat handcuffed here with...

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We still have to come to you with a...

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With the parking.

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And ensure that it meets the criteria for approval.

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So, yes, it's something that is put into the code that we

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have to follow.

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Right. And there's nothing that would allow us to say we

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don't have to do this because you're 30% under lot coverage

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.

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I mean, is there any way we can...

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Staff doesn't have the authority to do that in Richard.

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I mean, with respect to this kind of item, we're sort of...

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Our hands are sort of...

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We're locked in.

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Obviously, it would be much better if there were some

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thresholds and some de minimis where if you were only...

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If you were less than 60% coverage, you can go... You can

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add additional parking up to a certain percentage.

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Unfortunately, it wasn't... I think the intention was good,

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but that sort of one size fits all doesn't fit all.

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We are putting together an item, just food for thought,

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with respect to parking and parking maximums, which this

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kind of situation is very similar to City Council.

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I believe it's November 14th.

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So we will sort of be bringing this up under that item.

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Just...

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And if we're going forward with our code rewrite, then this

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is certainly something to take into consideration that we

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can write in there.

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So that we can perhaps alleviate them from having to do

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this and have that kind of power.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Just as a legal matter, and before the Chair takes over, I

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just...

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And I'm not sure about the percentages or whatever, but

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whenever we do an alternative development plan,

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we're allowing them to do something they would normally be

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allowed to do in exchange for something that benefits the

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city.

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So if you don't have an exchange of benefit, then there's

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really no alternative development plan.

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It's more like a variance of sorts.

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So it wouldn't go in front of this body.

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But what they're doing is saying, we'll give you this in

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order to get this.

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And so that's why the requirement...

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So, you know, something that they've negotiated.

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And I think I'm going to step in here now, right?

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I could feel the vibe of all the conversation.

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I know one of the things that we've tried to do as this

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commission during work session is get a general background

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of the items.

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And then when we're going to have more detailed discussions

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and things, we would prefer to have those in our public

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session in front of folks.

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And so I think if there's something that's a very

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straightforward clarification on this item, we'll take that

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.

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And if we're going to get into some of these other, let's

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finish it up in council.

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Commissioner Smith.

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Thank you, Chair.

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We are going to see this as a consent agenda item before

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final plotting, correct?

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After this?

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No, this is the individual consideration for this.

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And then it will.

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And in fact, it's a plotted lot.

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It was a minor plot because the public improvements weren't

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required in association with it.

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So this will be the last time you see it.

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Yes, sir.

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Any other clarifications on this item?

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Okay.

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And we've Haley will be back for 4B.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one trying to keep up with

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musical chairs here on the agenda.

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All right.

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4B we discussed briefly earlier.

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This is the plot where they did not get their whole

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harmless agreement put in place before it came to you.

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For this outstanding text up permit that they're seeking.

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If you have any other questions about the plot, I'd be glad

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to answer them at this time.

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Thank you, Haley.

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That's going to move us to our public hearing section.

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And I believe A and B are both going to be postponed.

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We're not going to have a presentation on those and skip on

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the C, correct?

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So Julie.

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All right.

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This is a replat.

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I don't know how to turn it either.

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So this property is situated east of downtown.

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It is currently two lots that they are replatting into one.

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And that it's current, I'm sorry, it's one lot they're

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plotting into two lots with an access easement.

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It's developed with an industrial use.

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Any question?

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I think if everybody looks like we're searching, make sure

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everybody has an opportunity to ask a question if they have

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one on this item.

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No? Okay.

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All right.

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And then next one.

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And D.

529
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:31,559
All right.

530
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:42,359
And this property is adjacent to Highway 380, south of 380.

531
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,839
It is partially in the ETJ and partially within the city.

532
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:50,049
The portion that's within the city has an NR2 zoning

533
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:51,160
designation.

534
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,160
They are requesting, it is currently plotted as all one lot

535
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:54,359
.

536
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,599
They're requesting a replat to subdivide it into two lots

537
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:02,279
with an access easement in the back for residential

538
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:02,920
development.

539
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:06,920
Commissioner Beck.

540
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,799
Thank you, Chair.

541
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,859
This area looks like it's going to benefit from our

542
00:26:11,859 --> 00:26:16,079
mobility plan when I guess what is it, post oak road, the

543
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,200
six lane road comes through there.

544
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,759
So is this in anticipation of that?

545
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:25,250
I am not sure what their intent is other than just to

546
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:29,960
subdivide the lot for residential development.

547
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,599
So I'm not sure.

548
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:31,559
That will be up.

549
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,839
Right now they're not zoned for a commercial use.

550
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,450
So if they did have an anticipation for some sort of rede

551
00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:42,440
velopment that would include some something of a more

552
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,599
intensity than two dwelling units per acre, then you would

553
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:47,880
of course see it again.

554
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,359
All right.

555
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,779
That is going to be a primary arterial that's coming

556
00:26:50,779 --> 00:26:51,720
through there.

557
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,279
Yes, sir.

558
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:52,779
Okay.

559
00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:53,319
Yes, sir.

560
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:53,640
All right.

561
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,119
Thanks.

562
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,619
Sure.

563
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,079
Commissioner Sanchez.

564
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,920
So I was looking at that.

565
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480
I kind of made the sense that maybe this lane that you did

566
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,200
that front side because it's right next to 380.

567
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:04,700
Yes, sir.

568
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:08,119
Do you have your microphone on?

569
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,319
I'm sorry.

570
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:10,039
I'm sorry.

571
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:11,079
As I was looking at that.

572
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:11,880
You got the glowing globe here.

573
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,930
As I was looking at that, it kind of made sense to me to

574
00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:20,589
divide it because that close the front part belongs is on 3

575
00:27:20,589 --> 00:27:21,640
80.

576
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,220
And if you wanted to sell it, I mean that would bring in I

577
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:27,319
mean as an investor, that's probably what he's looking at.

578
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,079
I mean I'm just thinking about that.

579
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:29,480
Sure.

580
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,730
And the backside, if you want to sell it altogether,

581
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:34,839
probably bring the price down.

582
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,349
So he's probably looking at that front end of it as a much

583
00:27:38,349 --> 00:27:40,839
more expensive piece of property.

584
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:41,799
It does have that frontage.

585
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:42,359
Yes, sir.

586
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,960
Yes, that frontage is very important.

587
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,079
Any other questions on this item?

588
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,799
Thank you, Julie.

589
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:52,200
Thank you.

590
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:57,480
Move us to item E and looks like Haley will present that.

591
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,880
All right.

592
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,759
So this is a replat of a single lot at the time located on

593
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:16,160
the south side, I'm sorry, on the east side of Dakota Lane,

594
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680
that's south of Airport Road.

595
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,039
And the intent of the plot is to split this existing single

596
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,680
lot into two lots.

597
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:25,559
What's seen here as lot two is currently developed with an

598
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,750
industrial use and then lot one is undeveloped at this time

599
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:32,759
.

600
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:35,079
Can answer any questions.

601
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:39,720
Commissioner Beck.

602
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,359
Thank you, Chair.

603
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:45,480
Okay, so those lots are up against Dakota, is that right?

604
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Yes, sir.

605
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,319
The orientation is a little strange.

606
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,980
North is off here on the right side of the page, Dakota

607
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:52,440
Lane.

608
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Do you have the Google map showing the physical character?

609
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,119
No.

610
00:28:58,119 --> 00:28:59,640
I can get to that if you'd like me to.

611
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Well, isn't there a building on one of those lots now?

612
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,680
Yes, sir.

613
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,559
Lot two has an existing industrial development on it.

614
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,799
I believe it's here in this portion of the lot.

615
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,279
Okay, and that's not going to be impacted by this change?

616
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,119
No, I believe that's staying the same.

617
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,240
They're just subdividing off the property next to them.

618
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,279
Okay, thanks.

619
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Any other questions on this item?

620
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,519
Okay, we'll stay with Haley for item F.

621
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:41,480
All right, so this is case Z1723 for the COPE addition.

622
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,000
This request is to hold a public hearing and consider a

623
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,519
request for an initial zoning of

624
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,500
neighborhood residential six on a property that is

625
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:54,119
approximately 16.39 acres.

626
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,809
It's located here at this northeast corner of Mayhill and

627
00:29:56,809 --> 00:29:57,559
Mills Road.

628
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,799
Looking at what's in the area,

629
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,650
you can see there's a mixture of things going on in this

630
00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:05,079
area.

631
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:08,759
So we have the subject property and some other properties

632
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:10,599
to the east are zoned RD5X.

633
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,319
That's our placeholder zoning designation after a property

634
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:14,599
has been annexed into the city.

635
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,680
Within that, we have a variety of residential uses.

636
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,000
There's some commercial uses and auto repair here north of

637
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,720
the property.

638
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,640
There's also some property in this immediate vicinity that

639
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,759
's still within the ETJ,

640
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:28,599
so it hasn't yet been annexed into the city.

641
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,859
Much of that is undeveloped, but there are some existing

642
00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:33,480
residences to the east of the subject

643
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,680
property. Across Mayhill and to the south on Mills, we have

644
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,640
our ECI district, so Employment Center

645
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,420
Industrial. This is again developed with a variety of

646
00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:45,319
things. We have a Denton ISD facility here to

647
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,160
the south and then a variety of industrial uses across May

648
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,079
hill and there are even some

649
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,359
single-family residences along Mayhill as well. Also to the

650
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,119
south, we have our neighborhood

651
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,079
residential 2 district. That's our lowest intensity

652
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,079
residential district and that's actually

653
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,259
developed right now with Ryan High School and some other

654
00:31:04,259 --> 00:31:06,440
Denton ISD has a bus facility here to the

655
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,609
south that you can see. And then there's a small parcel of

656
00:31:09,609 --> 00:31:11,640
NR6 in this area as well that's actually

657
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,730
developed with an industrial use at this time. Looking at

658
00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:18,599
the future land use map for this area,

659
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,349
you can see the subject property and everything to the

660
00:31:21,349 --> 00:31:23,559
north of it along Mayhill Road is designated

661
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,880
for moderate residential. So that's a designation that's

662
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000
intended to promote a little bit more

663
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,599
compact single-family development primarily between 4 and

664
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,440
12 dwelling units per acre.

665
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,950
And it's often intended to serve as a transition, which we

666
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:40,839
see in this case here because we have

667
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,049
business innovation and community mixed use to the west

668
00:31:44,049 --> 00:31:45,720
along Mayhill Road. And then this

669
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,569
moderate residential would serve as a transition to lower

670
00:31:48,569 --> 00:31:51,000
density residential development to the east.

671
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:55,400
Just looking at the mobility and what we have going on in

672
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,359
the area, Mayhill Road is a primary

673
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,450
arterial that adjoins the property on the west side. There

674
00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:03,400
are currently plans for the expansion

675
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,690
of realignment of Mayhill. On the south side we have Mills

676
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:09,319
Road, which is designated as a collector.

677
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,000
Right now it's a relatively unimproved road, a two lanes

678
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,720
undivided. And the requirements for

679
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,019
this development making improvements on Mills Road would be

680
00:32:19,019 --> 00:32:21,000
assessed at the time of platting.

681
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:27,019
Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Does the City see any

682
00:32:27,019 --> 00:32:28,680
problem with that?

683
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,119
Needs an assessment depending on an ultimate development

684
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:37,880
proposal. Does the City see any

685
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,950
problems with this? Not at this time. We haven't seen you

686
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:44,279
know what their final plans would be

687
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,970
in terms of density. I know their intent is for single-

688
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:50,279
family homes. But once they get to that

689
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,440
preliminary platting stage we would look more closely at

690
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,720
what they're proposing and what

691
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,700
infrastructure improvements are needed on Mills. Okay, but

692
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:59,880
I mean knowing what's probably going to

693
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:06,259
go on there. Do we not anticipate any problems? At this

694
00:33:06,259 --> 00:33:09,880
time I don't think we've looked at it

695
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,779
that closely yet. That's not typically a consideration with

696
00:33:12,779 --> 00:33:14,039
zoning. But we do know that

697
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,740
that infrastructure assessment will be done and that that

698
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:18,200
will have to be addressed when the

699
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,759
property is plotted. And this may be for you. But what's

700
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,680
the timeline? I know we're widening

701
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Mayhill but what's the timeline like on it for that area?

702
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,119
Do we know?

703
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,279
Hello.

704
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Yes sir. The overall project is actually under construction

705
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,960
now. Okay. Some utility relocations

706
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,559
and some portions of the road I believe. And it's currently

707
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,960
anticipated that that overall may

708
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,140
hill project construction will be completed for around

709
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:55,480
summer of 2019. Okay. Very good. Thanks.

710
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,609
Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. Jim, stay up there. In

711
00:34:00,609 --> 00:34:04,440
regards to the alignment and the

712
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,150
expansion of Mayhill, has there already been discussion

713
00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:08,679
about what effects it's going to

714
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,659
have on the collector and the secondary arterials that

715
00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:14,199
connect into Mayhill? In this instance,

716
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,329
this collector of Mills Road, is that going to have to be

717
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:19,159
expanded along some future

718
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,519
conversation because we're going to be expanding Mayhill?

719
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,239
They have, on our mobility plan, it shows Mills to remain

720
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,679
as a collector ultimately. That's how

721
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,269
it's currently designated now even though it's a very

722
00:34:37,269 --> 00:34:43,559
narrow road. The intersection right of way

723
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,300
dedication acquisition that was acquired as part of the May

724
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,400
hill Road project is shown accurately

725
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,309
on the applicant's initial submittal that they came in. But

726
00:34:56,309 --> 00:34:59,320
there's, to my knowledge, and I did

727
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440
check on this internally, I don't believe the city has any

728
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,440
plans for any capital improvements

729
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,599
projects to Mills Road. What's the traditional standard

730
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,800
whenever we do an expansion of a primary

731
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,719
arterial road? Is it going to be a stoplight for collectors

732
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,599
? Is it just a stop sign for collectors

733
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:18,010
to turn on to the primary arterial? It's really site

734
00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:21,719
specific. Is it? Yes. We have made the comment

735
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,239
to the applicant here already that we're going to need to

736
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,480
see their trip generation numbers

737
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,550
and we're going to have to look at that when we get into

738
00:35:29,550 --> 00:35:32,599
preliminary planning. Their initial

739
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,829
written submittal to us a few months ago had a certain

740
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:38,360
number of lots and then I think they've

741
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,409
talked since about increasing that a bit. So we will look

742
00:35:43,409 --> 00:35:47,079
at that closely. I don't really have a

743
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:50,079
pat answer for that. It's kind of site specific. So that

744
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,280
site specific, that conversation happens

745
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,420
after you see those trip gen numbers to say, hey, we think

746
00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:55,880
there's going to be a lot of movements.

747
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,690
We're going to require you to expand and to help pay for

748
00:35:59,690 --> 00:36:02,360
stop sign or stoplight. There can actually

749
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,320
be an intersection there rather than a stop sign turn on to

750
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,079
a very busy, about to be a very busy

751
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,489
primary arterial. All right. Thank you. Commissioner San

752
00:36:10,489 --> 00:36:14,199
chez, again, this is just a zoning case. So

753
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:18,150
we're kind of getting off into platting but zoning only on

754
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:21,159
this item at this time. All right.

755
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:27,079
My concern was Mills Road and the way if it's not going to

756
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,280
be widened or any work is going to be done

757
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,469
to it because the school is just down from there, right?

758
00:36:34,469 --> 00:36:36,760
And some of those students are going to be

759
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,500
walking up and down that street and that can be dangerous.

760
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,920
McKinney right now has, there's been

761
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,130
several accidents, a couple of students being hit right on

762
00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:49,880
McKinney Street because they walk along

763
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,510
the side of the road. Well, we have not said that there won

764
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:54,119
't be any improvements to Mills Road.

765
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,679
Okay. Mills Road is one of them. That is something we have

766
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,119
identified as a possibility. Again,

767
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,070
and we would look at that more thoroughly at the at the at

768
00:37:06,070 --> 00:37:09,960
the planning stage. In actual fact,

769
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,010
just last night there was a presentation made to city

770
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:19,079
council public hearing and

771
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,400
it was approved for incorporation to our transportation

772
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,960
design criteria manual clarifying

773
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,840
what the perimeter street improvement policy is as part of

774
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,599
our new roadway impact fee ordinance.

775
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,559
We will definitely be looking at that here in this case and

776
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:39,559
just on every project going forward.

777
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,679
Any other questions for Jim on this and if not we'll get

778
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:49,000
back to Haley on the zoning portion of this

779
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:58,500
item. All right, almost to the end here. Notification was

780
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,039
sent about this case.

781
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,050
We sent 13 notices to the properties within 200 feet and 20

782
00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:07,320
to those within 500. One came in just

783
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,880
this afternoon and I placed that on your table for you. It

784
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,760
was in opposition and that property

785
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,659
owner is located here just to the northeast of the property

786
00:38:15,659 --> 00:38:17,800
. Thank you for doing that. That helps.

787
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,650
And based on the discussion that we've had here and the the

788
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:26,039
compatibility with the future land use

789
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and the mixture of uses in this area, staff is recommending

790
00:38:29,449 --> 00:38:31,079
approval of this request and

791
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you can answer any other questions at this time. Great,

792
00:38:35,389 --> 00:38:38,599
thank you Haley. Good presentation.

793
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:40,280
I believe that will end our public hearing item. So with

794
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:48,920
that, unless Simone has anything

795
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,920
else, I will close our work session at 5 45 and we will

796
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,599
reconvene in council chambers at 6 30. Thank you everyone.

797
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,559
Zoning Commission meeting

799
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:14,480
for October the 25th 2017. This meeting has been duly

800
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posted and we do have a quorum present and

801
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I will call us to order at 6 30. Our first order of

802
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,440
business will be to stand and give the pledge

803
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:30,110
to the U.S. and the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the

804
00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:33,239
flag of the United States of America

805
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,789
and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under

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00:39:37,789 --> 00:39:41,400
God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

807
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:50,500
I, the Texas flag, pledge allegiance to the Texas one state

808
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:53,239
under God, one indivisible.

809
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This will take us to our next item on our agenda will be to

810
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consider approval of the Planning

811
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,829
and Zoning Commission minutes and I'll take these in two

812
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:16,519
separate motions in case we have any changes.

813
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,449
Commissioner Smith. A motion to approve. For the 27th? For

814
00:40:22,449 --> 00:40:23,320
the 27th, yes sir. Okay.

815
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,030
Commissioner Back. Second. Okay we have a first and a

816
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:28,440
second for approval.

817
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,420
Is there any discussion or changes need to be made to the

818
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:33,079
minutes?

819
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on board.

820
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:50,329
Okay so we just have an error on the read. It should be

821
00:40:50,329 --> 00:41:01,719
seven yes and no opposed. Motion passes.

822
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,840
I move us to our second item on our minutes. Commissioner

823
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,519
Smith. Thank you chair. A motion

824
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,739
to approve October 11th minutes. Okay. Commissioner Ellis.

825
00:41:15,739 --> 00:41:17,880
Thank you. I will second that. Okay we have

826
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,079
a first and a second for approval. Any discussion or

827
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,880
changes that need to be made to the minutes?

828
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on board.

829
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:44,840
The motion is going to carry six to zero with one recuse.

830
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,800
That will move us to our consent agenda

831
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:54,679
and before announce that we do have one item, item C FP 17-

832
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0021 that is going to be moved to our

833
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,090
individual consideration agenda and it will become item 4B.

834
00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:09,559
So we will be considering A, B, D, and E

835
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:13,199
for our consent agenda. Chair would enter. Commissioner

836
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,039
Smith. Thank you chair. A motion to

837
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,159
approve our consent agenda as written. Okay. Commissioner

838
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,639
Rossell. I second. Okay we have a

839
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,320
first and a second. Any discussion? Just for the record,

840
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,440
you mean not as written but as

841
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,880
modified by the chair. Modified by the chair. Okay. Thank

842
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,639
you for the clarification. Any other

843
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:41,590
discussion on this item? Seeing none, I'll call for a vote

844
00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:44,599
on the board for approval of the consent

845
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:55,309
agenda as modified. That motion is going to carry seven

846
00:42:55,309 --> 00:43:04,119
zero. That will move us to item four, our

847
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:08,900
items for individual consideration and I will call on Julie

848
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,480
White for presentation of item A ADP 17-0021.

849
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:15,639
Item number 002.

850
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,579
Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt and I am presenting ADP 17-2

851
00:43:28,579 --> 00:43:30,599
Ross Law Office.

852
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,699
The request before you is to consider an alternative

853
00:43:34,699 --> 00:43:38,280
development plan to DVA from subchapter 13

854
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,579
regarding the requirement for permeable paving for excess

855
00:43:42,579 --> 00:43:43,480
parking.

856
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,150
The subject property is located on the east side of Woodrow

857
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:50,039
. It's south of McKinney, approximately

858
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:55,539
275 feet and it is located in a CMG zoning district and

859
00:43:55,539 --> 00:43:59,639
this CMG zoning district permits an 80%

860
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,309
lot coverage. So that's something you'll want to know for

861
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:04,360
later in the presentation. So here's the

862
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,960
site plan. The proposal is a professional office about 4,

863
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,239
300 square feet. They're actually proposing

864
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,130
with their office, their parking, their drive aisle, all of

865
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:16,679
the impervious surface. They're proposing a

866
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,159
53.8% lot coverage. Subchapter 14 outlines the parking

867
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,559
requirements for development in the city

868
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,030
of Denton and professional services and offices require one

869
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:29,480
space per 450 square feet of gross

870
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,260
floor area. So that equals to 10 spaces for this use. The

871
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:36,440
applicant, however, would like to provide

872
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,219
15 spaces in order to accommodate their development. Subch

873
00:44:41,219 --> 00:44:44,199
apter 13 requires that all parking spaces

874
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,610
over the required number be constructed of a pervious

875
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:50,760
surface. However, subchapter 13 also

876
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,289
allows an alternative development plan if they want to vary

877
00:44:54,289 --> 00:44:56,760
or deviate from those site design

878
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,059
requirements provided that the development meets the

879
00:44:59,059 --> 00:45:00,920
criteria for approval and is approved by the

880
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,940
Planning and Zoning Commission. As part of the proposal,

881
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:07,159
there is a landscape plan and that

882
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:11,139
includes a grass channel adjacent to the additional parking

883
00:45:11,139 --> 00:45:13,880
spaces. It is to be planted or is proposed

884
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,030
to be planted with dense grasses and the intent is to be

885
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:19,239
designed to remove pollutants that would

886
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,550
be suspended in the runoff produced by that excess pavement

887
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:25,880
. This is intended to reduce the

888
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,289
environmental impact of those additional parking spaces.

889
00:45:29,289 --> 00:45:31,480
And here's their drainage plan and that

890
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,219
depicts how this water is going to drain. As you can see by

891
00:45:35,219 --> 00:45:37,960
the purple arrows, the drainage is

892
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,059
intended to go toward that grass channel. So the

893
00:45:42,059 --> 00:45:45,880
considerations that staff looked at when we analyzed

894
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,789
the request was first what is the intent of the pervious

895
00:45:48,789 --> 00:45:52,599
parking requirement. We typically look

896
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,809
at that the intent is to minimize any environmental impacts

897
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:59,639
associated with additional parking and

898
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,909
then also any visual impacts. In this case, five spaces is

899
00:46:02,909 --> 00:46:05,079
pretty small so the visual impacts weren't

900
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,070
as germane as maybe the environmental impacts. So we looked

901
00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:09,559
at the criteria for approval

902
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,039
and we felt that it met the criteria for approval what they

903
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,159
were proposing and we'll just go over

904
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:20,159
those quickly. First, preserve existing neighborhoods. This

905
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:21,960
proposal is not anticipated

906
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,539
to negatively impact the area. It's already a commercial

907
00:46:24,539 --> 00:46:26,280
area with lots of offices and retail

908
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,250
uses. Assure quality development. The proposed five extra

909
00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:32,199
spaces are not intended to design to lower

910
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,219
design standards but just to accommodate the additional

911
00:46:35,219 --> 00:46:37,239
parking. Focus new development on

912
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,969
activity centers. The site location is on an undeveloped

913
00:46:40,969 --> 00:46:43,320
lot in an existing commercial area

914
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,530
and adjacent to an already constructed arterial. So this is

915
00:46:47,530 --> 00:46:49,960
focusing that development toward an

916
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,400
existing commercial area. Ensure infrastructure can

917
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,360
accommodate development. There is adequate

918
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,789
infrastructure in the area to accommodate it and there

919
00:46:58,789 --> 00:47:00,519
results in a high quality development that

920
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:05,139
meets the intent of the requirement and based on what we've

921
00:47:05,139 --> 00:47:07,400
talked about the lot coverage,

922
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,650
what they're proposing, the 53% lot coverage that exceeds

923
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:13,800
the requirement for or the standard for

924
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,449
the CMG zoning district and then also that grass channel

925
00:47:17,449 --> 00:47:20,119
that we discussed that meets the intent

926
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:24,449
of why we have these parking maximums or these pervious

927
00:47:24,449 --> 00:47:27,320
surfaces to ensure that we minimize the

928
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,840
amount of pollutants. And then also we looked at just why

929
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,840
they would need the parking and

930
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:36,849
this property is located adjacent to an arterial which

931
00:47:36,849 --> 00:47:39,800
doesn't allow for parking on the street. So

932
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,360
they really do need to accommodate their parking on site.

933
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,880
They need to have sufficient parking

934
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,380
to ensure the safety of the visitors and the employees. So

935
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:49,079
with that being said, staff

936
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:51,719
recommends approval of the request with the following

937
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,800
conditions. First that they construct

938
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,340
the grass channel as we discussed to treat approximately 97

939
00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:59,719
2 square feet of drainage area

940
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,599
in an event generating one and a half inches of rain or

941
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:04,760
less as depicted on the landscape plan

942
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,929
and drainage map. And then also align that channel with

943
00:48:08,929 --> 00:48:11,480
some dense grasses to slow the velocity of

944
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,789
the water and ensure that there's a proper amount of time

945
00:48:15,789 --> 00:48:18,440
that that water stays in the channel so

946
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,739
the pollutants can be removed from that water. So I'll

947
00:48:21,739 --> 00:48:23,239
stand for any questions.

948
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,889
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. Julie, in regards to

949
00:48:28,889 --> 00:48:30,199
the construction of these grass

950
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,760
channels, usually is there a retaining wall that holds this

951
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,760
grass? Like it's not going to be the grass

952
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,369
up against other undeveloped land that it's being built

953
00:48:37,369 --> 00:48:39,880
next to, correct? Let's look at that.

954
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:42,769
Because on that very top line there that's against other

955
00:48:42,769 --> 00:48:44,840
undeveloped land, is there a retaining wall?

956
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,400
What is, how does that look? They're not proposing a

957
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,480
retaining wall. It would just be... Is it curved

958
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,269
off? Is it just grass and then it's undeveloped land next

959
00:48:52,269 --> 00:48:54,760
to it? It would be. There will be a

960
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,510
depression there. So it'll channel the water there. But yes

961
00:48:58,510 --> 00:49:00,679
, it would just then be adjacent to that

962
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:06,130
property. Thanks. Commissioner Rossell. Thank you, Chair. I

963
00:49:06,130 --> 00:49:08,119
had some questions about this in work

964
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,889
session about the requirements and we might be tied here

965
00:49:11,889 --> 00:49:14,440
with the code when it comes to ADPs.

966
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:17,980
Maybe a question, I'm not sure, Julie, if it's for you or

967
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:19,559
maybe it's for legal.

968
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,519
Is it possible to have an ADP without conditions placed on

969
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:29,559
it? I am going to let legal answer that.

970
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,679
Generally the conditions are part of the plan. That's why

971
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:35,800
it's an alternative plan.

972
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,019
My understanding is this was submitted without any

973
00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:39,320
conditions.

974
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:42,610
And then the city added the conditions. I think it's

975
00:49:42,610 --> 00:49:45,239
because in our code it actually states that

976
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,469
if you want to vary from the parking standards, it requires

977
00:49:48,469 --> 00:49:50,039
an ADP and it only provides the

978
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:54,820
criteria by which you're supposed to review those requests.

979
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:56,519
But we have to have some,

980
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,619
a stricter standard or a heightened level of design in

981
00:50:01,619 --> 00:50:05,480
order for it to qualify. And to do that,

982
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,599
we had to add the conditions. So it's almost like it goes

983
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,079
hand in hand. When you see most ADPs,

984
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:16,079
they have designs that aren't normally required by our code

985
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,440
and this is just one of those. So

986
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,599
here we've listed as conditions. I'm not, you know, I'm not

987
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,920
sure how they originally submitted it.

988
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,510
So. And in terms of planning staff, when we look at these,

989
00:50:28,510 --> 00:50:30,440
we do look at the intent of why that

990
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,590
requirement is there. So why you would need pervious

991
00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:37,719
parking for spaces that were in excess of what

992
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,260
was required. And so we work with the applicant to try to

993
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:44,920
come up with a site plan and a design

994
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,710
that will meet the intent of that requirement while still,

995
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:51,400
you know, if approved by city count

996
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,800
or by the planning and zoning commission would allow them

997
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,480
to move forward with their development

998
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,139
in a way that they need to develop it. But to have type

999
00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:01,800
interventions that allow it to meet that

1000
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,349
requirement. Sure. That makes sense. My take on this is

1001
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:09,639
they're substantially under the lot coverage

1002
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,530
to begin with and under code they could build a larger

1003
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:15,079
building without any ADP requirement. They

1004
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:19,510
could have a lot more impervious structures on their lot

1005
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:22,119
without requiring an ADP. But because

1006
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,949
it's fallen under this parking, it seems to be this kind of

1007
00:51:25,949 --> 00:51:27,800
nuance of the code in which if they

1008
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,119
want additional parking, they'd have to do an ADP. I think

1009
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,239
it'd be most productive rather than me

1010
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,550
trying to think about these conditions as required or not.

1011
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:40,199
Is the applicant here who can speak to

1012
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,239
the willingness? Yes, please.

1013
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,289
Good afternoon. Please state your name and address and step

1014
00:51:49,289 --> 00:51:50,760
over here for the mic for us.

1015
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,039
John A. Ross Jr. Mr. Ross, I appreciate you being here. Can

1016
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:57,400
you tell me about the conditions and

1017
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,610
your willingness for these conditions? Specifically as to

1018
00:52:01,610 --> 00:52:04,679
what? Constructing a grass channel storm

1019
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:09,400
water of 972 square feet. Are you okay with that? Oh,

1020
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,280
absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Then I guess my point

1021
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,840
here is mute, but it might be worth something to consider

1022
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,679
down the road about the requirements for

1023
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:21,829
an ADP for parking when lot coverage is underneath the 80%.

1024
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:24,199
That's more for staff, though. I can tell

1025
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,610
you right now with this parking, if this is approved, we

1026
00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:29,800
don't intend on doing any additional

1027
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,070
parking and we'd obviously know that we'd have to resubmit

1028
00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:35,719
anything to the commission. Out of

1029
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,630
curiosity, is it more expensive for you to plan a channel

1030
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:41,000
of those dense grasses in terms of

1031
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,900
construction? I would assume, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

1032
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:46,199
Is that everything?

1033
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,119
Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1034
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,159
Thank you, Chair. Commissioner Beck. Thank you, Chair.

1035
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:00,440
Julie, the drainage you showed us a while

1036
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,269
ago, it showed those, I guess it's five parking places,

1037
00:53:04,269 --> 00:53:07,079
shoots towards that grass area, but the

1038
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:11,980
whole parking lot area, is it all, is it drained to in that

1039
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:15,320
same direction or are we going to get?

1040
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,829
In looking at this, it looks like there are other parts of

1041
00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:21,239
the parking lot that drain in other ways

1042
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,250
to get the water to Woodrow. Okay. So the intent really was

1043
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:27,800
just to get this part. Okay. So that

1044
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,880
right, that grassy area there is not intended to

1045
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,840
incorporate all the drainage off the parking lot.

1046
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,679
No, sir. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Sure.

1047
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,719
Commissioner Sanchez. You mentioned several times that the

1048
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,039
channel is to pick up pollutants or to

1049
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,130
stop pollutants over time. You know, if you have pollutants

1050
00:53:51,130 --> 00:53:53,000
going into that grass area, I would

1051
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,130
think that that would have an effect on the vegetation. And

1052
00:53:56,130 --> 00:53:57,639
so what I'm thinking is how are

1053
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,789
you going to monitor? We're implementing something that we

1054
00:54:00,789 --> 00:54:03,000
probably can't even monitor over time.

1055
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,590
We don't really have a mechanism to monitor that after the

1056
00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:10,199
fact. So yes, you're correct. So if

1057
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,300
something did happen where it got clogged or there was

1058
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,639
something that would impact adjacent

1059
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:20,239
properties where it wasn't functioning correctly, then the

1060
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,039
city may need to get in with our

1061
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,250
community development in order to ensure that it's working

1062
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:28,920
properly. But you're right. There's no

1063
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,789
mechanism to verify, to do soil samples or anything

1064
00:54:31,789 --> 00:54:34,360
regarding the pollutants. It would just be if it's

1065
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,219
not functioning and it would impact the drainage on

1066
00:54:37,219 --> 00:54:39,800
adjacent properties. It's when the city may

1067
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,579
get involved in ensuring that it's maintained. I guess I

1068
00:54:44,579 --> 00:54:47,480
was just looking at the vegetation.

1069
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,599
That, you know, it's going into the vegetation and over

1070
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,719
time, I mean, you would think that

1071
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,590
pollutants would affect the vegetation. And that's all I

1072
00:54:56,590 --> 00:54:58,360
was thinking about.

1073
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,880
Our water administration department looks at these and they

1074
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,519
presented this or they

1075
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:10,039
formulated this based upon I-swim. So some interventions or

1076
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:12,280
some best practices that were

1077
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,519
developed by our North Texas Council of Governments. So

1078
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:18,519
these are some best practices

1079
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:22,409
that have been developed with the environmental community

1080
00:55:22,409 --> 00:55:28,280
and with in order to ensure that it

1081
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,349
does what it's supposed to do and it can be allowed to

1082
00:55:32,349 --> 00:55:35,400
thrive and those plants would stay there.

1083
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,980
I have a question for you. Since they're so far under their

1084
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:47,159
lot coverage and there's one

1085
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:50,250
parking space for 450, if their building had been, they

1086
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:54,039
wanted five spaces, 2250 square feet larger,

1087
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,360
they would have still been under the coverage percentage

1088
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,800
and they could have done their spaces

1089
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,989
without doing any of the ADP at all. Correct. So they could

1090
00:56:02,989 --> 00:56:04,840
have built a larger building,

1091
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,559
had the same parking lot and not have to do any of that.

1092
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:08,920
Yes, sir. That's correct.

1093
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,320
Okay. I'd have a question for the applicant then and then

1094
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,360
we'll move on.

1095
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,159
Yes, sir. About how long has it taken you to go through

1096
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:21,800
this process?

1097
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,909
About a year and a half now. Just on the ADP? Not on the AD

1098
00:56:27,909 --> 00:56:29,559
P. I started the ADP

1099
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,079
about three months ago. About three months ago? Yes, sir.

1100
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,119
Three, four months ago.

1101
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,869
About how much does it cost to go through that process

1102
00:56:37,869 --> 00:56:39,639
engineering wise? Approximately?

1103
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,369
I'd say probably 10 to 15,000 so far. Okay. Just for the AD

1104
00:56:46,369 --> 00:56:48,119
P before you even do any of the work?

1105
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,469
I'm guessing because I haven't got the civil engineers bill

1106
00:56:50,469 --> 00:56:52,760
yet. I know that will be high.

1107
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,400
I just want to bring that to attention. I know they have a

1108
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,960
DDC rewrite that we're working on

1109
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,199
and this seems to be one of those areas where you're under

1110
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:05,880
what you're allowed lot coverage wise,

1111
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,719
80 percent, but yet you've spent at least three months and

1112
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,639
a considerable amount of money

1113
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,170
to do something that if you built a larger building you

1114
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:17,559
could cover more than the lot than

1115
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:20,190
what you are at this stage. So I just want to bring that up

1116
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:21,800
here for us to consider as we're

1117
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,480
talking about DDC changes. So thank you for sharing that

1118
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,800
information with us. Thanks, sir.

1119
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,559
You bet. Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you.

1120
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:34,679
Thank you.

1121
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,539
This isn't a public hearing but if there's someone who

1122
00:57:38,539 --> 00:57:39,800
would like to speak you

1123
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,039
may. You would have to fill out a card. It is an individual

1124
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,800
consideration item. In seeing none,

1125
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,210
I will go ahead and open the floor here amongst us for

1126
00:57:51,210 --> 00:57:53,000
discussion or a motion.

1127
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:57,960
Commissioner Rossello. Thank you, chair. I'm going to go

1128
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,559
ahead and motion approval of this

1129
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,920
with the conditions stipulated by staff. But I also wanted

1130
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,079
to use my time here to reiterate chair's

1131
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,210
thoughts on the process here. If there's an ability to

1132
00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:11,800
address this in the DIN development

1133
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,210
code then we should. It seems quite obvious that there's

1134
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:17,239
been a lot more added to the applicant

1135
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:20,650
than needed for five parking spaces when again the lot

1136
00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:23,000
coverage is exceptionally lower than what was

1137
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,150
required. And he has rights to build other things. It's

1138
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:28,679
just this parking has created a lot more

1139
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,550
effort from the applicant. So I'd like to see this project

1140
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:32,280
move forward and not delay on this

1141
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,679
anything past that he has since the 1st of August it looks

1142
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,920
like. So I'll go ahead and motion this.

1143
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,690
But with the hope that this is addressed in the DDC or some

1144
00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:42,119
other conversation.

1145
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:48,300
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, chair. Motion to or second

1146
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:49,960
motion to accept.

1147
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,159
We have a first and a second for approval. Commissioner San

1148
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:57,079
chez.

1149
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,679
Yes. I just want to mention the same thing that Andrew

1150
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,719
talked about. I think we put a larger burden

1151
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:07,739
on the applicant and it's something we have to look at. And

1152
00:59:07,739 --> 00:59:10,280
also the other concern I have is even

1153
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,260
this idea of having a channel there that we can't monitor

1154
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:19,400
over time. I just feel this is an additional

1155
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,869
burden that we put on him that really is not going to that

1156
00:59:22,869 --> 00:59:26,360
we can't prove it's going to help over time

1157
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,809
even though we talk about best practices. You know those

1158
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:33,239
are things we implement in trying to mitigate

1159
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,179
environmental issues. But at the same time those best

1160
00:59:37,179 --> 00:59:41,079
practices have to be monitored and looked at

1161
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:47,210
over time. It's just not implementing it and then we'll see

1162
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:49,800
20 years from now. So. Okay.

1163
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,980
Any other comments or questions before I call for a vote on

1164
00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:54,760
board?

1165
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,119
Seeing none I will call for a vote on the board. We have a

1166
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:00,840
first and a second

1167
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,800
for approval with conditions by staff.

1168
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,719
That motion is going to carry seven zero. Good luck with

1169
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:12,199
your project.

1170
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,599
That will move us to our individual consideration. Item B

1171
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:23,960
which is going to be

1172
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:30,360
FP 17-0021 and I will call on Haley for a presentation.

1173
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:40,940
All right good evening. This is a final plat for two lots

1174
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:47,800
located on the west side of the I-35

1175
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,679
service road. The lots are intended to be developed with

1176
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,920
retail sites. The reason this plat was pulled

1177
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,070
from the consent agenda is because there is a driveway

1178
01:00:58,070 --> 01:01:00,280
proposed to the south of the property

1179
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:00,280
that requires approval of a permit from the Texas

1180
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,639
Department of Transportation because it is in their

1181
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:09,269
right of way. The permit for that is not yet approved. So

1182
01:01:09,269 --> 01:01:11,320
the typical practice would be to

1183
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,469
have a hold harmless agreement signed and put in place

1184
01:01:13,469 --> 01:01:15,559
before the plat is approved by you all.

1185
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:18,329
That was not done in this case so we've brought the plat

1186
01:01:18,329 --> 01:01:20,280
forward with the condition that that

1187
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,760
text up permit be approved or the hold harmless agreement

1188
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,880
be filed before this plat gets filed

1189
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,000
after you all approve it. And can answer any questions.

1190
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,480
Commissioner Beck. And again I think

1191
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,340
it was stated that if we do approve this and all moves

1192
01:01:36,340 --> 01:01:38,599
forward like it's supposed to they don't

1193
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:41,010
have to come back to the PNC is that correct? Yes sir if

1194
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:42,679
you approve it with that condition it

1195
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,239
wouldn't have to come back before you. Okay thank you.

1196
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:50,199
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair. Do we

1197
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,789
have any reason to believe that the permit would not be

1198
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:55,079
approved it's just is it just pending status?

1199
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:58,809
Yes yeah it's in review with text up at this time. Okay so

1200
01:01:58,809 --> 01:02:01,079
we would need approval pending the

1201
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,030
permit as well as a hold harmless agreement signed by the

1202
01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:06,119
applicant? Either of those options.

1203
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:07,980
Either of those. If the permit is approved before it's

1204
01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:09,639
filed the hold harmless agreement wouldn't be

1205
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:13,539
required. That hold harmless agreement was intended to and

1206
01:02:13,539 --> 01:02:15,719
Jennifer could probably speak to that but

1207
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:18,409
my understanding is it's provided in case the permit's not

1208
01:02:18,409 --> 01:02:20,119
approved the city wouldn't be liable.

1209
01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:23,139
The hold harmless agreement only comes into play if we're

1210
01:02:23,139 --> 01:02:25,960
substituting it for no permit. So they

1211
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,030
either have the permit or they have the hold harmless

1212
01:02:28,030 --> 01:02:29,639
agreement just saying well we didn't get

1213
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:31,920
the permit but we're not going to hold you responsible for

1214
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,079
it if we can't get it later.

1215
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,239
And so if we don't have either one of those you can

1216
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,320
condition your approval on that.

1217
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,070
We won't file any plans with the county until we receive

1218
01:02:41,070 --> 01:02:41,480
that.

1219
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:49,000
Any other questions for Haley?

1220
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,179
Thank you. Okay this is an individual consideration item.

1221
01:02:58,179 --> 01:03:00,440
It's not a public hearing but

1222
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,800
you're welcome to speak on this item if you'd like. You

1223
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,360
would need to fill out a card to do so.

1224
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,239
Seeing none I will have a motion from Commissioner Smith.

1225
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,360
Motion to accept this with staff's conditions also added

1226
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,199
onto it.

1227
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:19,400
Okay the two conditions okay Commissioner Sullivan.

1228
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,840
Second the motion.

1229
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,599
Okay we have a first and a second for approval with

1230
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,239
conditions. Any further discussion or comment?

1231
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,440
Seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board.

1232
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,489
The motion is going to carry seven to zero. That will move

1233
01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:48,519
us to our public hearing section this

1234
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:54,090
evening. At this time I'm going to open the public hearing

1235
01:03:54,090 --> 01:03:57,639
for item A DCA 17-0010B.

1236
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,880
Actually that has been postponed. My mistake.

1237
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,900
That's the one that's postponed definitely. Okay I didn't

1238
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:12,199
do it right then.

1239
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,599
I know how that is. Keeping up with it. Okay so this item

1240
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:20,199
is open. It is a public hearing.

1241
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:23,719
It is open and the chair would entertain a motion for

1242
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:25,559
continuance indefinitely.

1243
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:26,519
Commissioner Smith.

1244
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:30,199
Thank you chair. Mr. Jenks you can just say it if you want

1245
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:31,480
to come to the mic go ahead.

1246
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,610
I know it's postponed definitely. Do you have a time frame

1247
01:04:34,610 --> 01:04:35,639
when we're going to see this again

1248
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,099
or is this just postponed because we're busy in the office

1249
01:04:38,099 --> 01:04:38,599
or what's

1250
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,840
what's the time frame of seeing this come back before our

1251
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:41,559
commission?

1252
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,389
Yes sir that's a that's a good question and basically what

1253
01:04:48,389 --> 01:04:51,880
's driving the postponement

1254
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:56,829
I would say more than anything is that since the item was

1255
01:04:56,829 --> 01:05:00,199
initiated we've had a lot of changes

1256
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,750
in management in the development services department. The

1257
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:05,559
new management that's come in

1258
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:05,559
has brought in some perspectives of their own and

1259
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:12,679
experiences from other cities that I think are

1260
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:16,369
valuable and that we're considering. I think we're still we

1261
01:05:16,369 --> 01:05:19,159
're still going along the similar path

1262
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:21,519
but the details of how the new agreements would be

1263
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:23,880
structured and the bonds the financial guarantees

1264
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,440
that we talked about we may we may tweak somewhat as far as

1265
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,920
when we will be coming back to you.

1266
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:38,079
I would say very soon by I would I would say probably next

1267
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:42,360
month sometime or possibly December

1268
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,760
at the latest but very soon we're we're we're not stopping

1269
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,239
the item we're just hitting pause as we

1270
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:51,420
have some new faces and new experience come in and try to

1271
01:05:51,420 --> 01:05:53,239
get a better product. Thank you Mr. Jinks.

1272
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:59,130
You bet. Commissioner Roselle. I move to postpone this

1273
01:05:59,130 --> 01:06:01,159
agenda item indefinitely. Okay.

1274
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,449
Commissioner Smith. I second. Okay we have a first and a

1275
01:06:05,449 --> 01:06:07,880
second for postponement indefinitely.

1276
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,849
Yes. Okay so we will leave the public hearing open and then

1277
01:06:15,849 --> 01:06:17,639
we'll call for a vote on the board.

1278
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:26,789
I'm sorry it was an indefinite postponement so the public

1279
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:29,400
hearing really needs to be closed

1280
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,119
because I think they're going to republish notice for it so

1281
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:33,960
okay on this one we will close the public

1282
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,920
hearing. Okay well we'll back up a step then and I'm going

1283
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,320
to close the public hearing on this item

1284
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,210
and I will call for a vote on the board. Do we need a re-

1285
01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:44,360
motion or can we leave the motions as

1286
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,179
stated earlier? We can leave the motions as stated. Okay I

1287
01:06:47,179 --> 01:06:49,559
'll call for a vote on the board. Same motion.

1288
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,920
Motion is going to carry seven zero. We'll move us to item

1289
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,960
B and I will open our public hearing for

1290
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:09,409
Z 17-0022. Actually well I'm having a hard time tonight I

1291
01:07:09,409 --> 01:07:10,599
can't read.

1292
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:16,190
Do we have to open it? This one we will leave open the

1293
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:18,599
public hearing because so that we don't have

1294
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:22,030
to republish I think that the applicant actually wanted to

1295
01:07:22,030 --> 01:07:23,880
amend the request and it's going to be

1296
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,769
postponed to a date certain so we would entertain a motion.

1297
01:07:26,769 --> 01:07:28,599
Okay so we're going to lay the public

1298
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:33,659
hearing open not close it and then we will take a ask for a

1299
01:07:33,659 --> 01:07:38,760
motion and take a vote. Okay so this

1300
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:44,039
item is open and then Commissioner Smith. A motion to postp

1301
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,199
one this item until November 8th planning

1302
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,289
is on a commission meeting. Okay for a date certain.

1303
01:07:49,289 --> 01:07:52,360
Commissioner Beck. Second. Okay we have a first

1304
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:58,179
and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none I'll call for a

1305
01:07:58,179 --> 01:07:59,960
vote on the board.

1306
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:09,809
Motion carries seven zero and this item is still open. We

1307
01:08:09,809 --> 01:08:13,159
'll move us to item C and I will open the

1308
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:20,659
public hearing for FR 17-0021. We'll call on Julie Wyatt

1309
01:08:20,659 --> 01:08:22,600
for presentation.

1310
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:26,680
All right.

1311
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,600
Now I've completely messed it up.

1312
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,520
All right this is a replat. Let's try again.

1313
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:50,119
View. Rotate.

1314
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,489
There we go. All right this is a replat for a previously pl

1315
01:08:56,489 --> 01:08:58,680
atted lot. One lot they're they're

1316
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,989
dividing into two lots. It's situated on the east side of

1317
01:09:02,989 --> 01:09:05,880
kind of downtown on Duncan Street. It is

1318
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,439
developed with industrial uses and they're just splitting

1319
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,880
it into two lots with some access

1320
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,310
agreements to ensure access on the site and I'll answer any

1321
01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:17,960
questions. Any questions for Julie?

1322
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,010
Thank you Julie. This is a public hearing so if there's

1323
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:27,319
anyone who would like to speak on this

1324
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:31,479
item please come down at this time. And this is a public

1325
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,479
hearing. Please come down if you'd like

1326
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,359
to speak on this item. Seeing none I'll close the public

1327
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,960
hearing and open the floor for discussion

1328
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:47,000
or motion. Commissioner Beck? I move we approve FR 17-0021.

1329
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,039
Okay. Commissioner Ellis? Second. Okay.

1330
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:52,680
We have a first and a second for approval. Any other

1331
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,199
discussion or questions?

1332
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,399
Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board.

1333
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,119
The motion is going to carry 7-0. We'll move us to item D

1334
01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:13,560
and I will open the public hearing for

1335
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:19,119
FR 17-0013 and call on Julie for presentation of this item

1336
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:20,039
as well.

1337
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:23,000
All right this is also a replat. Subject property is

1338
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:29,800
located south of 380.

1339
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:34,399
It has a part of the property is in the city of Denton and

1340
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:36,920
it has a zoning designation of NR2

1341
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,720
and part of it is in the ETJ. They are splitting one pl

1342
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,319
atted lot into two lots with an access

1343
01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:47,989
easement and I'll stand for any questions. Commissioner

1344
01:10:47,989 --> 01:10:51,000
Ellis? Thank you chair. Julie as I

1345
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,579
was looking at this I'm curious is there not a commercial

1346
01:10:54,579 --> 01:10:57,720
site already in use on the property?

1347
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,140
I think there is. If any redevelopment happened and they if

1348
01:11:02,140 --> 01:11:04,520
any redevelopment was proposed or

1349
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,689
contemplated they would they would have to comply with any

1350
01:11:07,689 --> 01:11:09,720
zoning regulations that are on the

1351
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,600
property. So this replat does not negate their use

1352
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,720
currently? No ma'am. But if redevelopment happens

1353
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,710
it would have to fall in the part within the city. Correct.

1354
01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:21,319
Correct. Okay thanks.

1355
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,550
Just for clarification on that that's just going to be on

1356
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:27,560
the city portion the portion that's going

1357
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,720
to be in the county or ETJ would be governed by the county.

1358
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,680
They would they would all permits would

1359
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:40,300
be through the county. Okay any other questions for Julie?

1360
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:45,319
Thank you Julie. This is a public hearing

1361
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:47,569
anyone who would like to speak on this item please come

1362
01:11:47,569 --> 01:11:48,520
forward at this time.

1363
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,199
Please state your name and address for the record and I

1364
01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:56,760
believe you have four minutes.

1365
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,140
If you haven't filled out a card for us before you leave

1366
01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:00,680
this even there's cards right outside

1367
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,829
the door and please fill out a card for us. My name is M

1368
01:12:03,829 --> 01:12:06,279
ignon Laughlin I am the mother of one

1369
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:10,420
of the applicants and he didn't tell me I was need to talk.

1370
01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:12,840
I was just supposed to say nothing's

1371
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,430
changing except there was a divorce and so they're dividing

1372
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:18,600
stuff up so they had it resurveyed and

1373
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,609
replatted. Okay sorry to hear that. Will you give your

1374
01:12:22,609 --> 01:12:25,800
address for us please? Oh I'm sorry I live at

1375
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,250
630 Lakeshore Boulevard in Oak Point. Okay thank you and

1376
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:32,199
please fill out a card for us.

1377
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:35,899
This is a public hearing anyone else who would like to

1378
01:12:35,899 --> 01:12:37,800
speak on this item please come forward at

1379
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:43,720
this time. Okay seeing none I will close the public hearing

1380
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,600
and open the floor for discussion

1381
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,420
or motion. Commissioner Rozelle. Thank you chair I move

1382
01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:52,840
approval of FR 17-0013.

1383
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,010
Okay commissioner Smith. I second that motion. Okay we have

1384
01:12:57,010 --> 01:12:58,760
a first and a second for approval

1385
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:03,720
any other discussion or questions? Seeing none I'll call

1386
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,399
for a vote on the board.

1387
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:18,119
Motion is going to carry seven to zero. We'll take us to

1388
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:21,720
item E. We'll open the public hearing for

1389
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:28,119
FR 17-0018 and we'll call on Hattie Lee for presentation.

1390
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,479
This is a replant of lot one of the Ryan Company's addition

1391
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,159
. The property is located on the east side

1392
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:46,100
of Dakota Lane that's over in the west part of town near

1393
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,359
the airport. It is zoned for industrial

1394
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:51,989
development and currently lot two you've seen here is

1395
01:13:51,989 --> 01:13:55,560
developed with an existing industrial use.

1396
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,310
My understanding is that will stay in place they are simply

1397
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:59,159
subdividing off

1398
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,439
the southern portion of the property. I can answer any

1399
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,279
other questions you might have.

1400
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:08,199
Any questions for Haley?

1401
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:14,920
Thank you Haley. This is a public hearing anyone who would

1402
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,520
like to speak on this item please come

1403
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:22,970
forward at this time. Seeing none I will close the public

1404
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:25,800
hearing and open the floor for discussion

1405
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:33,079
or motion. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve FR 17-0018.

1406
01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:35,720
Okay commissioner Smith. I second

1407
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,300
that motion. Okay we have a first and a second for approval

1408
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:42,279
any discussion or comments or questions?

1409
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,159
Seeing none I'll call for a vote on board.

1410
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,420
That motion carries seven zero. That will take us to item F

1411
01:14:58,420 --> 01:15:01,960
. I will open the public hearing for

1412
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:07,729
Z 17-0023 and call on Haley for presentation of this item

1413
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:08,439
as well.

1414
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,239
Good evening this is case Z 17-23 for the co-pedition.

1415
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,680
The request is to hold a public hearing and consider a

1416
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,560
request to establish an initial

1417
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,810
zoning designation of neighborhood residential six on a

1418
01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:29,159
property you see outlined here in yellow.

1419
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:33,100
It's approximately 16.39 acres located at the northeast

1420
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:35,319
corner of Mayhill Road and Mills Road.

1421
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,930
If we look at what is around the area in terms of zoning

1422
01:15:39,930 --> 01:15:42,520
and land use you'll see a mixture of

1423
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,029
things. The property itself and several other properties in

1424
01:15:46,029 --> 01:15:47,960
this area currently have our

1425
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,539
placeholder zoning designation of RD 5X. I said that's a

1426
01:15:51,539 --> 01:15:53,800
placeholder when a property is annexed

1427
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,159
into the city it's assigned that designation until such

1428
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,279
time as an initial zoning application is made.

1429
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,409
Currently we have a mixture of uses residential some

1430
01:16:02,409 --> 01:16:04,520
commercial there's an auto repair shop

1431
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,279
immediately north of the property. Then if we look to the

1432
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:10,520
other districts you'll see in the blue

1433
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,029
hatched area that's outlined in green all of those parcels

1434
01:16:14,029 --> 01:16:16,359
are still in the ETJ so not yet annexed

1435
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:19,479
into the city. Again there's some undeveloped land and some

1436
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,000
residential uses in that area.

1437
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,199
Looking across Mayhill Road we have the ECI district so one

1438
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:27,479
of our employment center districts

1439
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,680
and in this area we have a mixture of uses we have

1440
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,800
facilities for Denton ISD to the south of

1441
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,220
the property a mixture of commercial and industrial uses

1442
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:39,560
and then even some single-family residences.

1443
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,649
To the south we have NR 2 district that's immediately south

1444
01:16:43,649 --> 01:16:45,640
of the property is developed

1445
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,500
again by Denton ISD we have the Ryan High School as well as

1446
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:51,720
a bus facility in this area.

1447
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,329
And then there's also a small patch of NR 6 zoning in this

1448
01:16:54,329 --> 01:16:54,760
area.

1449
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,819
When you look at the future land use map this parcel and

1450
01:16:59,819 --> 01:17:02,840
much of the property to the north of

1451
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,710
it is designated as moderate residential. That's a

1452
01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:08,359
designation that promotes more compact single

1453
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:11,300
family development a little bit higher density generally

1454
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:13,319
between four and twelve units per acre

1455
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:16,729
is what's encouraged in that designation. And this

1456
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:19,399
designation often serves as a transition

1457
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:22,590
between a commercial or mixed use areas and lower density

1458
01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:24,600
residential and we see that in play here

1459
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,270
along Mayhill Road we have business innovation and

1460
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:30,199
community mixed use designations that would be

1461
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:33,609
commercial maybe some light industrial employment uses and

1462
01:17:33,609 --> 01:17:36,039
then the moderate residential area would

1463
01:17:36,039 --> 01:17:38,600
be a transition between those commercial uses and lower

1464
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,840
density residential that's intended to the east.

1465
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,890
Looking at the roadways and access to this site it does

1466
01:17:46,890 --> 01:17:49,000
have frontage on both Mayhill and Mills.

1467
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,710
Mayhill Road is a primary arterial it's currently under

1468
01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:54,600
expansion and realignment at this time

1469
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,050
and the Mills Road is designated as a collector and all of

1470
01:17:59,050 --> 01:18:01,880
the requirements for improvement that

1471
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,680
would come as part of this development will be further

1472
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,359
examined and determined during the

1473
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:08,829
preliminary and final platting of the property. Not

1474
01:18:08,829 --> 01:18:13,720
ification was sent about this case we sent 13

1475
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,840
notices to those properties within 200 feet 20 to those

1476
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,399
within 500. We received one written

1477
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:21,819
opposition that was provided to you at the work session and

1478
01:18:21,819 --> 01:18:23,399
that property is outlined here in red.

1479
01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:27,829
Staff is recommending approval of this request because it

1480
01:18:27,829 --> 01:18:30,119
is generally compatible with the

1481
01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:32,829
surrounding properties in terms of use and zoning and is

1482
01:18:32,829 --> 01:18:34,840
also consistent with the goals and objectives

1483
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,960
of the Denton Plan 2030 and I can stand for any questions.

1484
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,079
Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair.

1485
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,500
We talked about in work session but just to make clear to

1486
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:45,000
hopefully clear up anything that might

1487
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,470
be brought during the public hearing portion of this the

1488
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:50,760
mobility specifically on mobility

1489
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,800
that will be handled the expansion of Mills Road in regards

1490
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,000
to population density due to this

1491
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,579
rezoning and possibly the development of the single-family

1492
01:18:59,579 --> 01:19:02,039
residential use that mobility will

1493
01:19:02,039 --> 01:19:04,979
be decided upon at platting. Yes sir when they go through

1494
01:19:04,979 --> 01:19:07,239
the preliminary plat process the applicant

1495
01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:10,869
will have to provide trip generation calculations based on

1496
01:19:10,869 --> 01:19:13,800
the lot and density that they're proposing

1497
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,869
and at that time it would be determined what perimeter

1498
01:19:15,869 --> 01:19:17,640
street improvements are required

1499
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,930
for this development. So during this zoning process we're

1500
01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:21,880
not going to be needing to worry about

1501
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,199
mobility issues right now. Yes sir. Thank you ma'am.

1502
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:28,520
Any other questions for Haley?

1503
01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:34,520
Thank you Haley. Again this is a public hearing anyone who

1504
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,720
would like to speak on this item

1505
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,119
please come forward at this time. Please come forward.

1506
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:44,840
Please give us your name and address and thank you for

1507
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,399
filling out a card for us.

1508
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:50,810
Thank you Commissioner. Appreciate it. It's William Butler

1509
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:53,640
actually Bill. Okay. I live at 4923 Mills

1510
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,350
Road. If the map was still up I could show you where our

1511
01:19:57,350 --> 01:20:00,039
property is but it is adjacent to this

1512
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:05,380
proposed development. I'm kind of new at this so. Sure. I

1513
01:20:05,380 --> 01:20:08,439
'll ask Haley to. If I'm wrong you'll help me keep my

1514
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,000
thoughts straight. I'll ask Haley to come up and make sure

1515
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,600
and help you if we need to do the eye

1516
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,890
in the sky on something or. Yeah I mean I had some. You

1517
01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:18,199
have some things you'd like to show us. Well I

1518
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:22,819
had stuff I'm taking off the Google map. I know you sent. I

1519
01:20:22,819 --> 01:20:26,439
know she sent proposals out like 13

1520
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,609
you said or so. Yes sir. We never got one. I found out

1521
01:20:29,609 --> 01:20:33,319
about this yesterday. Okay. So I'm not nearly

1522
01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:36,439
as prepared as I would with a. I also was a commercial.

1523
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,000
Please come forward. I'm sorry. That's okay sweet.

1524
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,600
I want to make sure we can hear you. Okay and I'm also was

1525
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,399
a commercial estate broker and was

1526
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:48,399
involved in some development in Houston Texas which zoning

1527
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:52,439
is a lot different there. So some of my

1528
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,369
concerns is that the the density will significantly

1529
01:20:56,369 --> 01:21:00,279
increase the traffic at that intersection which at

1530
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:03,399
times especially during school year already has substantial

1531
01:21:03,399 --> 01:21:06,600
amount of traffic. I don't know this

1532
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,170
for sure because I didn't get a chance to verify this but

1533
01:21:09,170 --> 01:21:10,920
my understanding is that Ingrass and

1534
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,529
egress is only on Mills Road and not on Mayo. Well at this

1535
01:21:14,529 --> 01:21:17,239
time we're just doing zoning and. Okay so

1536
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:19,869
that's not part. Okay. Whenever they do come forward for

1537
01:21:19,869 --> 01:21:21,319
preliminary plot they will have to

1538
01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:27,460
address all those issues. Okay. My feeling is that the this

1539
01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:30,199
type of housing is quote unquote

1540
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:35,670
considered low income housing and I think it might have a

1541
01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:39,399
negative impact on the existing properties

1542
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:42,649
and even more importantly on future development. This is

1543
01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:46,760
like a gateway Mills dead ends in the May

1544
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,770
Hill Road. So what you see when you turn the corner says

1545
01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:53,640
the tone I believe for the rest of the property.

1546
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,199
My wife and I we own a 6,500 square foot house under roof

1547
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:06,359
at 43 4923 Mills Road.

1548
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:12,840
My wife and her siblings own they actually have to address

1549
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:18,279
wrong on the wrong house but 4921 Mills

1550
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:24,079
Road is adjacent to the property as well and they are also

1551
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:26,439
concerned about the density of the property

1552
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:31,779
being developed or proposed along with her family. My wife

1553
01:22:31,779 --> 01:22:35,239
and I own a total of 40 acres along Mills

1554
01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:38,079
Road which includes the two residences and two more

1555
01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:41,720
residents as well. High density residential

1556
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,170
development will negatively impact the values of the acre

1557
01:22:44,170 --> 01:22:45,880
age for future residential development.

1558
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,010
The area would better be better served if the property be z

1559
01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:52,920
oned density of nr2 and certainly

1560
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:58,390
no more than nr3. And one last thing if you drive up and

1561
01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:02,199
down Black Road and you see the development

1562
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:05,350
that's going on there that's a quality higher end type

1563
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:07,880
development. I'm not saying that Mills

1564
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,760
Road will ever reach that level but I think we ought to

1565
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,000
strive for that and can raise the whole

1566
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:21,390
feeling of that area and as time goes by. Thank you. Thank

1567
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:23,720
you. Commissioner Smith.

1568
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,640
Thank you Chair. Yeah if you could real quick. What I

1569
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,640
mentioned Haley before we opened up the

1570
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,479
public hearing to the floor to folks. Mobility issues I

1571
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,880
feel like it was I didn't know until

1572
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,340
you brought it up that you know you're really worried about

1573
01:23:40,340 --> 01:23:41,640
low income and kind of what's

1574
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,130
going to be used for this. At this point with zoning just

1575
01:23:45,130 --> 01:23:47,079
deciding the zoning of it it's going

1576
01:23:47,079 --> 01:23:50,010
to be really hard for us as commissioners to vote against

1577
01:23:50,010 --> 01:23:52,199
it because it does fit with the future land

1578
01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:55,670
use map that's already been decided within the Denton 2030

1579
01:23:55,670 --> 01:23:58,520
plan. Now your objections and your

1580
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,739
concerns are extremely valid and things that should be

1581
01:24:01,739 --> 01:24:03,800
definitely brought back up whenever it

1582
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,100
gets the preliminary prating plotting process that's going

1583
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:07,479
to come in front of this commission.

1584
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,239
I'd love to see you back in here again to talk about it and

1585
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:11,560
bring that up then because that's

1586
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,979
something that we can vote down based off that evidence

1587
01:24:13,979 --> 01:24:15,720
that yes the what their plats but they're

1588
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,920
asking for us to approve here to be you to actually use

1589
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,399
this land for. Yeah that doesn't

1590
01:24:21,399 --> 01:24:23,369
seem like something we want to see within our community

1591
01:24:23,369 --> 01:24:24,680
then we can make a stand. It's really

1592
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,130
hard for us as commissioners to say hey you're just wanting

1593
01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:28,439
to rezone it to fit with what we

1594
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,439
already said as a city we want to see there. It's hard for

1595
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,159
us to say no to it so thank you for coming

1596
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:39,449
out. Thank you. Any other questions? Can I say one more

1597
01:24:39,449 --> 01:24:44,600
thing? Sure. I am not opposed personally to

1598
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,779
the residential development. In some ways it's preferred

1599
01:24:47,779 --> 01:24:49,960
over possibly over industrial which is

1600
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,720
what I thought might be how it would be zoned considering

1601
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,000
its location. The only thing I'm

1602
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,550
opposed to is the density. Okay. Commissioner Schmidt.

1603
01:25:00,550 --> 01:25:02,920
Thank you chair. Haley could you he did

1604
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:07,229
bring up two different two different zones NR2 NR3. Can you

1605
01:25:07,229 --> 01:25:09,479
give us a quick rundown of the

1606
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:12,600
difference between the NR we're looking at NR6 versus NR2

1607
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,520
NR3 in regards to population density

1608
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,500
you know I'm saying density sorry. Yes sir so under the

1609
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:20,439
proposed zoning of NR6 that would allow

1610
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:24,199
up to six dwelling units per acre. NR2 and NR3 same thing

1611
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:26,520
with the numbers two dwelling units per

1612
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,220
acre or three dwelling units per acre so less than half of

1613
01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:31,000
what they would be able to achieve

1614
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,909
with the proposal. Thank you. Commissioner Begg. Thank you

1615
01:25:35,909 --> 01:25:38,279
chair. Haley. Don't go.

1616
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:45,720
Can you put the proposed zoning map up? Okay. That's it.

1617
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,640
Right. Don't have present it would be

1618
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,369
the same as there. Yes NR6. Okay and I wanted Mr. Butler to

1619
01:25:51,369 --> 01:25:54,119
see that that there is an NR6 across

1620
01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:57,600
the street from you already and I was curious and if you

1621
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,840
want to you can come back up to the microphone

1622
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:05,640
and inform us if there's been a been a problem with this.

1623
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,399
It is.

1624
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,760
Okay but it is zoned as such. I understand. Okay. But at

1625
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,039
this point had that had you be

1626
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,039
had you asked me if that should be NR6. A little closer to

1627
01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:21,960
the mic. I'm sorry had you asked me if

1628
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,859
that should be NR6 if it wasn't already I would have also

1629
01:26:24,859 --> 01:26:27,880
been opposed to it. Okay okay so it's

1630
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,329
I guess in your thinking NR6 is just not appropriate for

1631
01:26:32,329 --> 01:26:35,479
that area. Well we were talking earlier

1632
01:26:36,119 --> 01:26:40,439
and I'm not saying that NR6 is inappropriate everywhere and

1633
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,359
there may be areas further

1634
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:48,170
where the tone has already been set. If you go further east

1635
01:26:48,170 --> 01:26:50,439
there are trailer parks

1636
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:55,640
a nice trailer park where you already have density. All I'm

1637
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,760
trying to do is upgrade the area

1638
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,479
and I feel like it's for personal personal reasons but I

1639
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,600
also have 40 acres from possible development.

1640
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,939
I'm not going to develop it if I can keep from it at high

1641
01:27:10,939 --> 01:27:15,399
density levels. Okay all right thank you

1642
01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:17,760
sir. Have some more questions possibly. Commissioner Rosell

1643
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,479
. Thank you chair. Mr. Butler I appreciate

1644
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,390
you you coming in and providing insight and I'd love to see

1645
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:24,279
40 acres in that area be developed

1646
01:27:24,279 --> 01:27:29,060
NR2 if that was your pleasure. My question to you is you've

1647
01:27:29,060 --> 01:27:31,880
been in real estate. Mayhill is

1648
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,529
being expanded to a six lane divided street and NR2

1649
01:27:35,529 --> 01:27:39,079
neighborhoods generally are like you said they're

1650
01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:42,510
nicer or higher income generally to build out an NR2

1651
01:27:42,510 --> 01:27:45,560
neighborhood and the houses that those invite.

1652
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,739
I'm wondering your perspective on the likelihood of a

1653
01:27:50,739 --> 01:27:53,319
successful project like that happening next

1654
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:56,439
to a six lane road because I'm thinking if if 16 acres was

1655
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,239
to be developed that bordered loop 288

1656
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:01,479
I'm not sure there's going to be a lot of developments for

1657
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:05,000
you know half acre homes right

1658
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,000
next to a main arterial which is why to me an NR6 makes

1659
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,039
sense because it backs up to that but I'd

1660
01:28:10,039 --> 01:28:13,159
love to hear your perspective on that. Well like I said I

1661
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:15,319
would rather be residential if it were

1662
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:20,720
NR2 or NR3. If it has to be NR6 then I'd rather see it

1663
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,560
developed as industrial. The density I think

1664
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,979
is too great for that intersection even though we are

1665
01:28:27,979 --> 01:28:30,039
expanding it I don't know what the plans are

1666
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:32,310
for Mills Road and I know that's not apparently part of the

1667
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:37,479
discussion at this time. I see

1668
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:44,170
pretty nice homes and flower mounds and other high-end

1669
01:28:44,170 --> 01:28:46,439
developments that have

1670
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,350
homes right on major thoroughfares. Some of them have

1671
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:53,560
retaining walls they have

1672
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,760
blocked the sound but I can show you many many locations

1673
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,119
where there are plenty of examples

1674
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,920
where there's a higher end home development NR2 or NR3 on

1675
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,279
high traffic roads. Thank you

1676
01:29:11,159 --> 01:29:14,060
appreciate it. Any other questions Mr. Bellewally is at the

1677
01:29:14,060 --> 01:29:14,279
mic.

1678
01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:18,600
Thank you sir for your comments and answering our questions

1679
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:18,600
.

1680
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:25,810
This is a public hearing so please come down give your name

1681
01:29:25,810 --> 01:29:27,319
and address and thank you for filling

1682
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:31,289
out a card for us. My name is Kenneth Stout and I live on

1683
01:29:31,289 --> 01:29:33,640
Mills Road right off of Mayhill

1684
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,640
where the school property splits our place on both sides.

1685
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,359
They have five acres on the corner

1686
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,239
and this property they're talking about rezoning it. It is

1687
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:45,880
going to anything east of it the rainwater

1688
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,130
and everything's going to have to be pumped all the way

1689
01:29:48,130 --> 01:29:49,960
down to a creek that'll run down to

1690
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,090
Cooper Creek Road which is about two miles down east where

1691
01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:56,039
we're at. On the north end on the west

1692
01:29:56,039 --> 01:29:59,250
end of it we got a hill that's in there that it's very

1693
01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:02,359
difficult to navigate when it gets water on

1694
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:05,949
the rain freeze. We have about a thousand buses on that

1695
01:30:05,949 --> 01:30:09,000
street. We also have about a thousand buses

1696
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,399
going over right by my within 30 foot of my back door. So I

1697
01:30:13,399 --> 01:30:16,039
'm concerned about the amount of traffic

1698
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:19,479
and us getting out on the street and I'm also concerned

1699
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,880
about how we're going to get water and

1700
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,000
sewer down through there to where we might be able in the

1701
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,079
future go ahead and attach into it.

1702
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:32,479
Now they y'all's chart says 16 point something acres. Well

1703
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,079
if that includes half the road they

1704
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:38,340
don't own all the they own it but they pay taxes on it but

1705
01:30:38,340 --> 01:30:40,920
they won't get to build on the road

1706
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,729
except they wrote. So we're concerned we're not against the

1707
01:30:44,729 --> 01:30:47,000
project. It's this simple fact we see

1708
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,779
we need to know what's going on whether very much of us can

1709
01:30:51,779 --> 01:30:55,960
go south or north on Mayhill Road. They

1710
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,079
won't put very many red lights down the thing and there may

1711
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,079
be some I don't even know there's red

1712
01:31:01,079 --> 01:31:04,300
light going in it mills that Mayhill because if the street

1713
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:06,680
comes clear across over and hooks into

1714
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,140
the development on the west side we need some relief in

1715
01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:12,600
there either some traffic control or

1716
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,720
something and I'll be happy to try to share something else

1717
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,000
if you know in the future.

1718
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,680
We appreciate y'all listening to us. I don't know how to

1719
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,800
run a computer don't intend to learn to run

1720
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,479
one. I'm old enough that I don't have to so but I am

1721
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,840
concerned about all of our neighbors out there

1722
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,189
and if you don't like to wake up about five o'clock in the

1723
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:37,159
mornings with that many buses

1724
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:42,189
you got a problem. Now I will mention somebody in the city

1725
01:31:42,189 --> 01:31:45,399
years ago built Ashley Oaks. They've

1726
01:31:45,399 --> 01:31:48,159
turned water down across some of this property we're

1727
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:51,000
talking about east of there about two miles

1728
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,090
just washed the thunder out of the road and now we have a

1729
01:31:54,090 --> 01:31:55,960
one lane bridge down there at the end

1730
01:31:55,960 --> 01:32:00,300
of it where it hooks up to Trinity. Now that's not progress

1731
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:02,840
that's loading us up down to where

1732
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,970
we cannot even get out of the place if we want to go east.

1733
01:32:05,970 --> 01:32:08,600
I would like for y'all to consider it.

1734
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,590
I'm not totally against the project it's just that we need

1735
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:14,039
to know what's going on and how long the

1736
01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:18,079
sixth school district may want to develop the corner up

1737
01:32:18,079 --> 01:32:21,479
there. Appreciate y'all. I have a question

1738
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,810
for you Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Chair. Did you say

1739
01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:27,399
your last name was Scott? Mr. Stout. I

1740
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:29,470
appreciate you being here. How long have you lived in your

1741
01:32:29,470 --> 01:32:31,000
current home? Well my wife has lived on

1742
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,229
there since 1946. It sounds like you're an expert in the

1743
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:37,079
area which I think is valuable. I had some

1744
01:32:37,079 --> 01:32:41,859
property the city obtained on Mayhill Road about two years

1745
01:32:41,859 --> 01:32:45,000
ago. So in terms of Commissioner Smith

1746
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,090
might have mentioned this earlier but I wanted to encourage

1747
01:32:48,090 --> 01:32:49,960
you if this passes tonight and it goes

1748
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,369
to NR6 I think your testimony will be invaluable during the

1749
01:32:53,369 --> 01:32:56,039
platting process to encourage a stoplight

1750
01:32:56,039 --> 01:32:58,890
to encourage the improvement of Mills Road and so if this

1751
01:32:58,890 --> 01:33:00,920
passes tonight once the vote happens

1752
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,569
I would like to see you come back during the platting

1753
01:33:03,569 --> 01:33:05,640
process to hear more about your expertise

1754
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,279
in the area. One more question I'd like to ask. When was

1755
01:33:09,279 --> 01:33:12,119
this thing changed from agriculture to

1756
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:15,560
this other? We got no information when that change was made

1757
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,800
and it's probably made within the past two

1758
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,310
years. So that makes it a problem for us not even being

1759
01:33:21,310 --> 01:33:24,279
notified to want to change it from agriculture

1760
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:27,689
because I was acquainted with the people that lived there

1761
01:33:27,689 --> 01:33:30,119
for 40 years. I think the staff could

1762
01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:33,210
speak to this but it was originally brought into the city

1763
01:33:33,210 --> 01:33:35,399
under a zoning called RD5X which is a

1764
01:33:35,399 --> 01:33:38,899
temporary zoning that we're trying to update today. It's

1765
01:33:38,899 --> 01:33:41,000
still agricultural. It's still

1766
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:46,199
agriculture today. RD5X is just a placeholder designation

1767
01:33:46,199 --> 01:33:48,520
it doesn't mean anything as in regards

1768
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,840
to the agriculture. Well I was just kind of concerned

1769
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,439
because I didn't get a letter during

1770
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,680
that time. I found it in the newspaper and then that's when

1771
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,560
I got interested in the past couple

1772
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,409
weeks you know kind of checking things out a little bit

1773
01:34:00,409 --> 01:34:02,600
because I'm not trying to run the country out

1774
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,100
that way I'm just trying to live in that country out there.

1775
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:08,199
Another question for Commissioner Smith.

1776
01:34:08,199 --> 01:34:11,520
Thank you Chair. We got we saw earlier tonight on a

1777
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,119
different autumn that it took a you know a strip

1778
01:34:14,119 --> 01:34:16,939
of grass took about three months to come before us. Pretty

1779
01:34:16,939 --> 01:34:18,840
sure they said that the Mayhill expansion

1780
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,609
is going to be 2019 so I think your I think the development

1781
01:34:21,609 --> 01:34:23,079
that happens out there if it does

1782
01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:25,649
passes tonight it'll take a little it'll take a little

1783
01:34:25,649 --> 01:34:27,880
while for it to come becomes up here so

1784
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,640
there'll be some time to bring up any any type of issues

1785
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:34,279
you may have so just sit tight and

1786
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:36,439
and come on back whenever preliminary plotting comes to

1787
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,439
comes to before us okay. Thank you very

1788
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,510
much. Thank you sir. One more question to come up.

1789
01:34:40,510 --> 01:34:44,279
Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. I do appreciate

1790
01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:46,840
y'all pointing out that you didn't get any notices either.

1791
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,760
That's been a big concern for us

1792
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,819
and as a commission and the city staff we have set plans

1793
01:34:52,819 --> 01:34:55,720
aside to address it so it's so disappointing

1794
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,119
to hear these things have been set in motion so it's

1795
01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:00,279
disappointing to hear that still you're just

1796
01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:03,550
hearing about this today or the day before yesterday so

1797
01:35:03,550 --> 01:35:06,439
there's obviously some kinks in the system

1798
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,199
that we've tried to improve here but we did want you to

1799
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:10,760
know that we are aware of the

1800
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,600
informing residents when changes are made and hopefully

1801
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:15,960
those kinks will get worked out in the

1802
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,729
future where you're not left in the blind so thank you for

1803
01:35:18,729 --> 01:35:20,520
coming down speaking to it tonight.

1804
01:35:23,079 --> 01:35:23,640
Thank you sir.

1805
01:35:26,119 --> 01:35:28,760
This is a public hearing anyone who would like to speak on

1806
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,439
this item please come forward at this time.

1807
01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:49,430
David Shelton. I live in a 5050 Mills Road which is I guess

1808
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:53,880
in our six already and I have no

1809
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:58,829
intentions of ever developing it that I'm just it's my

1810
01:35:58,829 --> 01:36:02,279
house that's where it's going to stay.

1811
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:09,270
What worries me is we're kind of limited on our road down

1812
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:11,239
through Mills Road

1813
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:13,369
and then we have all the school buses. Can I get you to

1814
01:36:13,369 --> 01:36:15,239
step over closer to the mic so we can make

1815
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:18,510
sure to hear you well? We have all the school buses and all

1816
01:36:18,510 --> 01:36:21,479
the school traffic and it's hard to get in

1817
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,789
and out of there and now is it 84 houses or 94 houses that

1818
01:36:25,789 --> 01:36:27,399
they're going to build?

1819
01:36:30,119 --> 01:36:33,529
We don't know at that at this point with the zoning allows

1820
01:36:33,529 --> 01:36:35,640
six homes per acre for whatever

1821
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,579
their acreage is. I think there's going to be a whole lot

1822
01:36:38,579 --> 01:36:40,359
of houses and you know two or three

1823
01:36:40,359 --> 01:36:46,109
cars for house and it's just going to squeeze us. Do they

1824
01:36:46,109 --> 01:36:51,319
have any plans on expanding Mills

1825
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:55,470
Road or anything making it wider so we can? Well we don't

1826
01:36:55,470 --> 01:36:57,560
have any of that at this time

1827
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,789
when whenever the property comes back before us for what's

1828
01:37:00,789 --> 01:37:02,680
called platting they will have to

1829
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:06,180
address all those questions sewer, water, stormwater,

1830
01:37:06,180 --> 01:37:08,359
detention. I don't have any of that

1831
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:13,619
you know when we got drafted into the city we didn't get

1832
01:37:13,619 --> 01:37:16,199
any kind of sewer or anything

1833
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:21,220
so we don't get any benefits other than tax and that's just

1834
01:37:21,220 --> 01:37:24,600
taken from us so that's just that's

1835
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:29,520
I'm not against building the expansion just that I'm just

1836
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,800
against the so many houses right there

1837
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:41,270
in that area and there's not enough road to handle it all

1838
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:45,319
so so anyway that's it. Okay thank you for

1839
01:37:45,319 --> 01:37:49,880
your comments any questions for the speaker? Thank you sir.

1840
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:05,649
Hi my name is George Carroll I live in 5200 Mills Road. You

1841
01:38:05,649 --> 01:38:07,560
'll have to pardon my voice

1842
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:15,189
the army gave it to me but I live in 5200. I back up to the

1843
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:18,199
Detroit Parks. I have lived

1844
01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:25,680
out there 12 years now and the Detroit Parks for a while

1845
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:31,000
was pretty wild. They had to put a police

1846
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:36,359
substation in there. I'm here just to back up what Peter

1847
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:41,159
and the other folks said. In my area

1848
01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:46,560
there's multi-million dollar houses and the landscape is

1849
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,640
beautiful. Now in the end,

1850
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:57,310
our six, I would like to see the place stay halfway. I'm

1851
01:38:57,310 --> 01:39:02,039
just an old man or getting there

1852
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:10,960
and our six would just bring in more. I mean I know it's

1853
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,119
always but let's have some class.

1854
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:20,819
And that's really nice. Thank you. Thank you for your

1855
01:39:20,819 --> 01:39:21,479
comments.

1856
01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:25,720
This is a public hearing anyone else who would like to

1857
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,399
speak on this item please come forward

1858
01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:37,859
at this time. Please give us your name and address and you

1859
01:39:37,859 --> 01:39:40,199
'll have four minutes.

1860
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:45,020
Tina Crawford 520 Fox Creek Court in Texas. I got three

1861
01:39:45,020 --> 01:39:48,039
notices by the way just had me covered

1862
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,850
and actually we have the property next door to this. We

1863
01:39:51,850 --> 01:39:54,600
have the back five acres next to it

1864
01:39:55,399 --> 01:39:59,800
and then the tent in front of it my in-laws on. And when

1865
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,199
they went to the tax office they said

1866
01:40:02,199 --> 01:40:05,939
they got yellow slips saying that it was a zoned commercial

1867
01:40:05,939 --> 01:40:08,760
. So I don't know what the difference is

1868
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,960
there but I would be against the NR6 just for the reasons

1869
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,560
that the gentleman outlined here.

1870
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:20,359
Just it's low lower scale too many houses and to address

1871
01:40:20,359 --> 01:40:23,640
the question about nice houses on big

1872
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,270
roads four lane highways. I mean I work in Frisco

1873
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:29,079
everything's a huge road and everything's a nice

1874
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:31,659
house. So I mean it works very well and that's what it's

1875
01:40:31,659 --> 01:40:33,319
what the rich folks want they want to

1876
01:40:33,319 --> 01:40:36,550
get someplace fast. So I you know we're all about

1877
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:39,560
developing we've had the land for a long time we

1878
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,359
want to make as much as we can on our land and putting

1879
01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:44,600
something like that right there on the

1880
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:49,880
corner is just something I would be against. Okay I see no

1881
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,359
questions thank you ma'am.

1882
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,239
This is a public hearing so please come forward this time.

1883
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:04,760
Hi I'm Sandy Butler and 4923 Mills Road is our address. I

1884
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:09,159
represent several family members and

1885
01:41:09,159 --> 01:41:12,250
we have a house up there that was my husband that spoke

1886
01:41:12,250 --> 01:41:14,359
before and none of us got any notice

1887
01:41:14,359 --> 01:41:18,670
whatsoever of any of this and our house is right there you

1888
01:41:18,670 --> 01:41:21,479
can see the picture of it on there.

1889
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:25,789
So it's very disappointing that this major of a of a plan

1890
01:41:25,789 --> 01:41:28,600
would happen and nobody has any notice

1891
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,329
and we've lived there for a lot of years. My parents moved

1892
01:41:32,329 --> 01:41:34,439
there in the 60s so you know

1893
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:41,810
it says that it was sent to the street address you know of

1894
01:41:41,810 --> 01:41:44,760
the property and we have a PO box

1895
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,770
but it would be nice if you sent the notice to the same

1896
01:41:47,770 --> 01:41:50,119
people who pay the taxes you know because

1897
01:41:50,119 --> 01:41:53,760
obviously the city knows who pays the taxes and who lives

1898
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,399
there so that would be nice in the

1899
01:41:55,399 --> 01:41:58,210
future to get notices that way. Can you show us where your

1900
01:41:58,210 --> 01:42:00,119
property is maybe Haley can get the

1901
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:04,430
pointer up on the maps. The big white spot see that big

1902
01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:07,960
white spot that just that looks north

1903
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,659
from here but anyway the big white house that's my house.

1904
01:42:11,659 --> 01:42:14,439
This one where the cursor is or this one.

1905
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:19,109
Just up yeah that one the big one yep and the and the

1906
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:21,960
smaller one that's beneath that is my

1907
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:27,439
mom's house so. We only send notices to property within the

1908
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:28,600
city limits.

1909
01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:34,210
Well I mean those those parcels are in the ETJ so they're

1910
01:42:34,210 --> 01:42:36,840
technically still in the county.

1911
01:42:37,399 --> 01:42:40,199
I believe our address list only sends notices to properties

1912
01:42:40,199 --> 01:42:41,560
within the city limits.

1913
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,479
But we're I mean that's my that's my road you see that

1914
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,840
little line that comes down to Mills road

1915
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,170
and it's within spitting distance of that property you're

1916
01:42:51,170 --> 01:42:53,479
talking about we're right there. Yes ma'am.

1917
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:57,159
Yeah we'll talk about that in a minute.

1918
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,600
This this is a public hearing anyone who would like to

1919
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,760
speak on this item please come forward at this time.

1920
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:14,779
This is a public hearing anyone else who would like to

1921
01:43:14,779 --> 01:43:16,600
speak on this item please come forward at this time.

1922
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,800
Okay at this time I will close the public hearing for a

1923
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,840
discussion. Commissioner Smith.

1924
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,840
Thank you chair. Haley just a clarification on the mailing.

1925
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,930
So we only we do only send of course to people in the city

1926
01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:37,399
and then if we're looking at who's

1927
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:39,470
paying the property taxes that's not even held at the city

1928
01:43:39,470 --> 01:43:41,000
that's held at the county level correct.

1929
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,909
From the county so it's about one year behind because it is

1930
01:43:45,909 --> 01:43:47,640
the certified roll

1931
01:43:48,359 --> 01:43:51,170
and then all properties within 200 feet that are on that

1932
01:43:51,170 --> 01:43:53,239
certified tax roll we send a notice

1933
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:56,560
to the property owner at their home address and then as a

1934
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,319
courtesy we extend a postcard notification

1935
01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:02,079
to properties within the city that are within 500 feet and

1936
01:44:02,079 --> 01:44:03,560
that just goes to the address not

1937
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,210
necessarily correct. Yeah so if there's not if there's not

1938
01:44:06,210 --> 01:44:07,399
a if there's not an actual

1939
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:11,989
mail receptacle at the physical address what happens to

1940
01:44:11,989 --> 01:44:14,039
that mail? I'm assuming it comes

1941
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:17,020
back to us because it does it just goes to current resident

1942
01:44:17,020 --> 01:44:19,079
at that address. Okay all right.

1943
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,359
More questions. Commissioner Roselle. Haley.

1944
01:44:28,359 --> 01:44:30,220
I I I very much hesitate to beat the drum about the

1945
01:44:30,220 --> 01:44:34,439
notifications but we got a response from the

1946
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,529
property in the northeast that is also ETJ. Yes sir he

1947
01:44:37,529 --> 01:44:39,640
called me today so I forwarded him

1948
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,979
and I emailed him the notification form so he could respond

1949
01:44:41,979 --> 01:44:43,720
. Thank you for that clarification.

1950
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,640
Any other questions for Haley? Why is she set the mic?

1951
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:57,960
I'll ask one. We've had a number of people here tonight

1952
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,439
that have come up and obviously spoken

1953
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,729
in opposition. I don't know exactly where they are located

1954
01:45:03,729 --> 01:45:05,479
in regards to the property and if

1955
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:09,899
that's changed the percentage that may be opposed for what

1956
01:45:09,899 --> 01:45:12,439
is was presented earlier in our work

1957
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,199
session. I know we had one property that it was adjacent

1958
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:16,920
and I don't know exactly where all of

1959
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:21,020
these other properties are and if that's going to change

1960
01:45:21,020 --> 01:45:24,119
the percentage as far as opposition for

1961
01:45:24,119 --> 01:45:27,390
the vote here this evening. I don't know if we need to take

1962
01:45:27,390 --> 01:45:29,000
some time to gather that or

1963
01:45:30,199 --> 01:45:33,489
I'll leave the legal to give us some guidance on that item.

1964
01:45:33,489 --> 01:45:35,640
Thank you chair. Obviously we

1965
01:45:36,359 --> 01:45:39,109
we won't be affected for the purposes of our vote here

1966
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:41,399
tonight but if in fact that does go

1967
01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:44,869
toward the 20 percent and they are in the city limits which

1968
01:45:44,869 --> 01:45:46,279
is what the law requires

1969
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,050
then that would trigger a super majority vote in front of

1970
01:45:51,050 --> 01:45:53,079
council when it goes to council.

1971
01:45:53,079 --> 01:45:56,380
Okay so just a council. Just a council not a PNC. Okay all

1972
01:45:56,380 --> 01:45:57,880
right thank you.

1973
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,970
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. For clarification I

1974
01:46:02,970 --> 01:46:03,800
think of the property

1975
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:06,890
owners that spoke here can we maybe get Haley to describe

1976
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:08,600
what that 20 percent is?

1977
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:15,399
Sure. I think she was out of the room if you'd like to

1978
01:46:15,399 --> 01:46:17,560
Commissioner Ellis restate your question.

1979
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,720
Thank you. For the benefit of the property owners who spoke

1980
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:20,600
there and what was just

1981
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:24,079
conversed on the dais regarding the 20 percent can you

1982
01:46:24,079 --> 01:46:28,600
explain that? Yes so I believe the

1983
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,029
requirement is if more than 20 percent of the property

1984
01:46:32,029 --> 01:46:35,000
owners of the land area within 200 feet

1985
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:38,199
that is within the city are opposed to the request it

1986
01:46:38,199 --> 01:46:40,199
triggers a super majority vote at

1987
01:46:40,199 --> 01:46:42,560
city council so they could only have one opposing vote at

1988
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,119
council and the motion still carry.

1989
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:51,159
Okay any other questions for Haley?

1990
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:55,880
Thank you. You might want to stay close to the mic here.

1991
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:02,920
Okay so the floor is open for discussion or a motion.

1992
01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:11,319
I don't know if we have or not. Okay you sure didn't? Well

1993
01:47:11,319 --> 01:47:12,840
if I haven't already I will close

1994
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,720
the public hearing since no one else is coming forward and

1995
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,079
I will open the the floor for

1996
01:47:17,079 --> 01:47:22,170
discussion or motion. Commissioner Sanchez. It seems like

1997
01:47:22,170 --> 01:47:24,600
everybody that came up and talked

1998
01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:29,069
is concerned about Mills Road and that's probably the

1999
01:47:29,069 --> 01:47:30,680
unknown is the fact that.

2000
01:47:32,039 --> 01:47:35,520
And I've been at Mills Road and yeah it is it is a pretty

2001
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:39,479
narrow road and I've also heard

2002
01:47:41,399 --> 01:47:45,000
that some students coming off Mills Road have gotten hurt

2003
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,199
from because the school is there

2004
01:47:48,199 --> 01:47:54,159
and people coming off the back road. So I think we're bas

2005
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:57,000
ing all our information on

2006
01:47:58,119 --> 01:48:01,960
what we currently see at Mills Road but I think long term

2007
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,560
that area is going to develop and the

2008
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:10,149
fact that it's close to the school is to me a positive

2009
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:12,760
thing about having homes you know

2010
01:48:14,279 --> 01:48:18,680
affordable housing close to the school long term as a city

2011
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,000
but I think our biggest fear is

2012
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:25,079
what we see at Mills Road. I mean I drove up there today

2013
01:48:25,079 --> 01:48:27,239
and I went down Mayhill Road and I've been

2014
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:32,630
Mayhill Road to me has always been an accident waiting to

2015
01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:35,159
happen and Mills Road is just about

2016
01:48:35,159 --> 01:48:38,710
just about the same thing but I think if we can guarantee

2017
01:48:38,710 --> 01:48:41,079
or not guarantee but if the city we have

2018
01:48:41,079 --> 01:48:45,130
to talk to the city and those that are in charge of those

2019
01:48:45,130 --> 01:48:47,479
two roads make sure that they get

2020
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:51,920
developed correctly so that the congestion won't be there

2021
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,359
but we can't do that today but I think

2022
01:48:54,359 --> 01:48:57,770
long term that should have been taken care of a long time

2023
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:59,560
ago because that road has been a

2024
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:03,529
disaster Mill Road has been a disaster for years and so it

2025
01:49:03,529 --> 01:49:05,479
's something that should have been taken

2026
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,770
care long time ago and I don't know probably we're trying

2027
01:49:08,770 --> 01:49:11,000
to work with the school and with the city

2028
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:13,720
and trying to get those those two roads those that

2029
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,279
particular road taken care of and I think it would

2030
01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:21,670
alleviate a lot of the anxiety that most of you feel. Okay

2031
01:49:21,670 --> 01:49:26,039
Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair.

2032
01:49:26,039 --> 01:49:28,319
Sometimes we have to pick and choose our battles of course

2033
01:49:28,319 --> 01:49:30,600
when we want to have knockdown drag out

2034
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:35,149
fights till 1 a.m here P and Z. Zoning is not going to be

2035
01:49:35,149 --> 01:49:37,319
that that time when we get to preliminary

2036
01:49:37,319 --> 01:49:40,979
plotting it will be that time. I went to Ryan High School I

2037
01:49:40,979 --> 01:49:43,000
've had a drive up and down Mills

2038
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,430
Road I've lived out in Oak Point Texas and I drive up down

2039
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:46,920
Mills Road more times than I ever

2040
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,359
probably want to probably just just a little bit less than

2041
01:49:50,359 --> 01:49:52,520
you guys of course so I will agree with

2042
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:54,800
you that Mills Road is a mess and it's definitely something

2043
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:56,359
that will need to be fixed and will be

2044
01:49:56,359 --> 01:49:59,520
addressed but it won't be addressed at zoning it's got to

2045
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,560
be addressed at at that point in time

2046
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,380
when we get to plotting and in regards to zoning then if we

2047
01:50:04,380 --> 01:50:06,920
're saying you know NR2 and NR3 then

2048
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,550
you know what about why are we going to do NR6 I think it'd

2049
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:12,359
be be in the best interest of the city

2050
01:50:12,359 --> 01:50:16,779
if we if we allowed the most amount per per acre that we

2051
01:50:16,779 --> 01:50:19,560
can and then back down during preliminary

2052
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:22,800
plotting to say well we think you should only have four per

2053
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,600
acre to have quarter acre lots

2054
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:26,920
or maybe we should think you have third acre lots we can

2055
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:28,840
back down from the NR6 just because the

2056
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,800
maximum density of six doesn't mean we have to approve it

2057
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:33,159
for six and so I think allowing

2058
01:50:33,159 --> 01:50:36,000
those we can and then fighting down from there instead of

2059
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:37,800
having say NR2 and then having to

2060
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,539
come back and rezone it for NR3 or rezone up to NR6 if

2061
01:50:41,539 --> 01:50:44,199
there's that need for it so rather shoot

2062
01:50:44,199 --> 01:50:46,449
high than have to come down have to shoot low and have to

2063
01:50:46,449 --> 01:50:48,199
go through a whole new rezoning process

2064
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,350
and then honestly just lastly when it comes to construction

2065
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:56,279
costs nowadays we've discussed this

2066
01:50:56,279 --> 01:50:58,840
in past planning and zoning commissions and meetings that

2067
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:00,439
when it comes to construction costs

2068
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,750
nowadays there's not a whole lot of new builds they're

2069
01:51:02,750 --> 01:51:04,439
going to be counted to quote-unquote

2070
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:07,899
affordable housing just because of the the cost of the time

2071
01:51:07,899 --> 01:51:09,880
it has to be put into developing a

2072
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,840
piece of land so I think that the preliminary planning

2073
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:14,920
process is where we're going to need

2074
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:19,319
y'all's input and I would greatly like to see you guys come

2075
01:51:19,319 --> 01:51:21,560
back and bring up your your issues and

2076
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:23,470
your concerns at that point in time and we will most

2077
01:51:23,470 --> 01:51:25,159
certainly take them into consideration.

2078
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,869
I'm going to call on legal just to pause for just a second

2079
01:51:31,869 --> 01:51:35,239
and clarify once we zone property

2080
01:51:35,239 --> 01:51:38,649
and how it comes before us back as platting and the density

2081
01:51:38,649 --> 01:51:40,840
and what our abilities once something is

2082
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:45,189
zoned if the criteria met on the plat what our ability is

2083
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:47,319
to approve or not approve those.

2084
01:51:48,359 --> 01:51:52,569
First in addressing the zoning issue we do advertise in our

2085
01:51:52,569 --> 01:51:54,359
notices that we can

2086
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:59,859
take a lesser zoning category at the time of the zoning

2087
01:51:59,859 --> 01:52:03,000
request into consideration but we can't

2088
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,560
take a greater amount of zoning category so that's going to

2089
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:07,479
be something a little bit more intensive

2090
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:11,069
like the nr6 so if we were to approve the nr6 tonight we

2091
01:52:11,069 --> 01:52:13,479
wouldn't necessarily be able to come

2092
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:17,050
back and lower the zoning category because that would be a

2093
01:52:17,050 --> 01:52:19,079
down zoning and it would be up to the

2094
01:52:19,079 --> 01:52:21,859
property owner whether or not they would be amenable to

2095
01:52:21,859 --> 01:52:23,640
something like that we can't do it

2096
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:28,100
unilaterally or we shouldn't and when the the platting

2097
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:31,000
stage comes you will not receive a public

2098
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,430
notification you only receive a public notification for the

2099
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:35,079
zoning piece so you're going to have to

2100
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:39,050
watch the agendas to see when that preliminary plat is

2101
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:42,119
going to come and really the final plat

2102
01:52:42,119 --> 01:52:44,729
is the most important sometimes they come together

2103
01:52:44,729 --> 01:52:48,279
sometimes they come separately but the the zoning

2104
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:52,359
commission can only look at the technical requirements and

2105
01:52:52,359 --> 01:52:53,960
make sure that they are met

2106
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:57,369
on a plat they have no discretion as to whether or not they

2107
01:52:57,369 --> 01:52:59,720
're going to approve a plat so long as the

2108
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,810
technical requirements are requirements are met so in this

2109
01:53:02,810 --> 01:53:04,840
case you won't get notice of a preliminary

2110
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:08,130
plat you're going to have to look at the agenda number one

2111
01:53:08,130 --> 01:53:11,960
number two you're going to have to look

2112
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:15,859
at the technical requirements of the plat which would

2113
01:53:15,859 --> 01:53:19,159
include access it would include the traffic

2114
01:53:19,159 --> 01:53:23,939
impact analysis to see if there's some way to focus your

2115
01:53:23,939 --> 01:53:27,079
your comments on those things otherwise

2116
01:53:27,079 --> 01:53:29,640
the commission is not going to be able to overturn it at

2117
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:31,479
that time either so we just wanted to give

2118
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:34,300
you that information so that you're fully aware of what our

2119
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:36,359
limitations are here at the commission

2120
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:42,010
just a second hold on let me let legal finish and then we

2121
01:53:42,010 --> 01:53:42,279
'll

2122
01:53:43,159 --> 01:53:45,960
no i'm finished you can if you want him to come forward

2123
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:49,819
if you hold on just a second let us ask you a question

2124
01:53:49,819 --> 01:53:52,199
because you've already come to the mic

2125
01:53:52,199 --> 01:53:54,619
to speak and with that's under the rules so if you'll

2126
01:53:54,619 --> 01:53:56,760
please come to the mic we'll be happy to

2127
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:59,560
ask you a question and give you an opportunity to hopefully

2128
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:01,960
engage with us here and get your

2129
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,369
concern addressed so we were going to ask a question you

2130
01:54:05,369 --> 01:54:07,960
had a question in regards to legal

2131
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:11,380
on how the explanation was and the zoning and the planning

2132
01:54:11,380 --> 01:54:13,479
so can you express what your concern is

2133
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:18,340
with that yes how do we know what when or where the agenda

2134
01:54:18,340 --> 01:54:21,800
is reported do we go online or so the

2135
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:25,460
agenda is required to be posted 72 hours in advance of the

2136
01:54:25,460 --> 01:54:27,720
meeting and you're going to be able to find

2137
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:31,520
it on the city's website under the open government section

2138
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,800
if you have access to a computer which i

2139
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,960
know you don't but if you do then it's on the website and

2140
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,600
you can actually click on it and pull

2141
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,689
it up it'll go by date and if you have problems finding

2142
01:54:43,689 --> 01:54:46,520
that you can always call someone at the

2143
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:49,739
city maybe the city secretary ask her how to access that if

2144
01:54:49,739 --> 01:54:52,039
you do not have access to a computer we do

2145
01:54:52,039 --> 01:54:56,060
post the agenda in the hallway at city hall main which is

2146
01:54:56,060 --> 01:54:59,000
this building and there is one posted at

2147
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,300
the end towards the legal department on the outside just

2148
01:55:02,300 --> 01:55:04,520
interior to the door but outside of the

2149
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:08,029
hallway and it's posted where you can see every page and so

2150
01:55:08,029 --> 01:55:10,039
if you just want to come up and look

2151
01:55:10,039 --> 01:55:13,029
at that or you can call and you can check with the

2152
01:55:13,029 --> 01:55:15,880
department of development services to see

2153
01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:19,850
if or when it might be placed on the agenda occasionally so

2154
01:55:19,850 --> 01:55:21,239
that you can make sure that

2155
01:55:21,239 --> 01:55:25,069
you're up on whatever yes i think there's also an

2156
01:55:25,069 --> 01:55:28,760
opportunity on the website i believe there are

2157
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:33,159
uh projects that are posted on the website as they have

2158
01:55:33,159 --> 01:55:35,640
been applied for that are in progress

2159
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,760
and maybe we can speak to that as to how that shows on our

2160
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,399
maps so you can just go on the map

2161
01:55:41,399 --> 01:55:44,090
and look at projects and it will actually highlight every

2162
01:55:44,090 --> 01:55:45,960
single project that's currently being

2163
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:49,239
applied for or worked on through the process of the city

2164
01:55:49,239 --> 01:55:52,359
didn't is that correct still okay so that's

2165
01:55:52,359 --> 01:55:55,949
one more way that you can can do it if you have access to a

2166
01:55:55,949 --> 01:55:58,279
computer thank you i was confused

2167
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:02,050
thank you commissioner back thank you chair and i want to

2168
01:56:02,050 --> 01:56:04,600
thank everybody from the public came

2169
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:08,189
down and speak spoke to this subject tonight your input is

2170
01:56:08,189 --> 01:56:10,600
very important and it does impact our

2171
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:14,670
decision i realize too that this little corner of the world

2172
01:56:14,670 --> 01:56:17,079
that y'all been living in has been

2173
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,409
you know nice the way it's been for a long time and i

2174
01:56:20,409 --> 01:56:21,640
understand that

2175
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:27,380
city of denton is growing though and it's going to reach

2176
01:56:27,380 --> 01:56:29,880
all areas of the city and it looks like

2177
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,439
unfortunately it's starting to come into your area

2178
01:56:32,439 --> 01:56:34,199
understand the concern about nr6

2179
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:40,840
it's not going to be low price but it is compared to houses

2180
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,239
of more square footage

2181
01:56:43,239 --> 01:56:46,760
yes they're not going to be as expensive denton's in dire

2182
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:49,560
need of affordable housing if we can call

2183
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:52,789
it that and for some it would be as opposed to a house that

2184
01:56:52,789 --> 01:56:55,079
's three or four thousand square feet

2185
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,199
we also i think everybody's mentioned here that we're going

2186
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:00,920
to look at the other factors that

2187
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,850
you're concerned about we talked about them in the work

2188
01:57:03,850 --> 01:57:06,600
session briefly so they will be

2189
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:11,399
addressed the roads traffic stuff like that and other

2190
01:57:11,399 --> 01:57:14,760
concerns but there will be when they

2191
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:19,659
when this nr6 area comes in they'll be putting barriers up

2192
01:57:19,659 --> 01:57:22,920
to that that are next to different

2193
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:26,510
zoned areas so in that capacity you'll have some separation

2194
01:57:26,510 --> 01:57:28,600
there and a little bit of privacy but

2195
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,659
there's a it's not going to be i know you're you've got the

2196
01:57:32,659 --> 01:57:34,920
worst scene scenario here and

2197
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,720
i'm not going to say it's not going to be a little bit more

2198
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:40,760
of a headache than you're used to but it

2199
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:44,640
won't be designed such that it's going to have a negative

2200
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,800
effect on your property in my opinion i

2201
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:50,430
i've lived in those areas i've seen these areas build up

2202
01:57:50,430 --> 01:57:52,119
and develop and do quite well and the

2203
01:57:52,119 --> 01:57:54,729
fact that it is close to a school that this this is just an

2204
01:57:54,729 --> 01:57:56,600
area that affords an opportunity for

2205
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:59,409
him at least to move closer to it than to travel the long

2206
01:57:59,409 --> 01:58:02,199
distance that some of them do so but i do

2207
01:58:02,199 --> 01:58:04,760
appreciate your input and i'll let go what everybody else

2208
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:06,760
has said here please come back when we clap

2209
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:11,350
that and uh like to hear uh more of what you have to say

2210
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:12,279
thank you

2211
01:58:16,119 --> 01:58:18,560
commissioner rooseau thank you chair i appreciate everyone

2212
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,399
coming out and hearing your perspective

2213
01:58:22,039 --> 01:58:25,470
some of you all have been there 70 plus years and so i

2214
01:58:25,470 --> 01:58:28,199
certainly don't take that lightly looking at

2215
01:58:28,199 --> 01:58:32,729
the overall area i do feel nr6 is an appropriate zoning

2216
01:58:32,729 --> 01:58:35,880
classification for that land and so i'm

2217
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:39,329
going to go ahead and motion approval of this and i think

2218
01:58:39,329 --> 01:58:41,479
um just based on this feedback i'll be

2219
01:58:41,479 --> 01:58:44,310
highly interested to see how the plat looks to see how the

2220
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:46,680
traffic comes in from mayhill versus mills

2221
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,319
it could be that the majority of traffic can enter from

2222
01:58:50,319 --> 01:58:53,720
from mayhill and not take uh too much

2223
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:55,880
traffic on mills i'm so i'm interested that i haven't seen

2224
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:56,920
any of that so i don't know

2225
01:58:57,479 --> 01:59:00,350
but i think uh during that plotting phase we'll better

2226
01:59:00,350 --> 01:59:04,119
understand what kind of uh left turn right

2227
01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:06,729
turn is going to be happening at mayhill and mills and and

2228
01:59:06,729 --> 01:59:08,199
the curb cuts needed to access

2229
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,149
the development there and so i encourage you all to be

2230
01:59:11,149 --> 01:59:12,920
involved in that as legal said

2231
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:16,060
to look for technical requirements to make sure everything

2232
01:59:16,060 --> 01:59:17,800
's copacetic in terms of managing

2233
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:22,409
traffic appropriately in sewage and all those things rain

2234
01:59:22,409 --> 01:59:24,279
water but i do feel that it's an

2235
01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:27,109
appropriate designation for that area given the development

2236
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:28,520
that is persisting on mayhill

2237
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:33,729
commissioner smith i second the motion to accept okay we

2238
01:59:33,729 --> 01:59:35,720
have a first and a second for

2239
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:40,310
approval of the zoning is there any other discussion or

2240
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:43,159
questions commissioner ellis

2241
01:59:43,159 --> 01:59:46,020
thank you chair uh just want to take a couple moments i am

2242
01:59:46,020 --> 01:59:48,520
going to support this um thank you

2243
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:51,939
all for sharing your concerns um i guess my thoughts are

2244
01:59:51,939 --> 01:59:53,960
development has to start somewhere

2245
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:57,430
especially with property coming out of the etj so it's got

2246
01:59:57,430 --> 01:59:59,479
us the first place of development is to

2247
01:59:59,479 --> 02:00:03,109
start with zoning this zoning with what's been going on in

2248
02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:05,239
the area what our future land use

2249
02:00:05,239 --> 02:00:09,579
looks like what our 2030 plan looks like makes sense for

2250
02:00:09,579 --> 02:00:12,199
this corner we can all agree that road

2251
02:00:12,199 --> 02:00:15,840
infrastructure never seems to be ahead of the development

2252
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,960
but it will all happen eventually

2253
02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:24,279
so to me this does make sense but do please pay attention

2254
02:00:24,279 --> 02:00:27,079
look at the agenda come back and talk

2255
02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:29,859
with us and share your concerns it is important to know

2256
02:00:29,859 --> 02:00:31,960
your concerns especially as this moves

2257
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:36,399
forward to to platting site plan what what have you thank

2258
02:00:36,399 --> 02:00:38,520
you commissioner sanchez

2259
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:43,180
i also appreciate you all coming out i think it's giving us

2260
02:00:43,180 --> 02:00:45,239
a sense of what to look for in the

2261
02:00:45,239 --> 02:00:50,090
future when this uh you know when uh other when we get some

2262
02:00:50,090 --> 02:00:53,000
more information on on that area and

2263
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:58,199
what uh on the plat on the platting of that particular area

2264
02:00:58,199 --> 02:01:00,119
i think you've get you've made

2265
02:01:00,119 --> 02:01:02,869
us aware of what your concerns are and that's going to make

2266
02:01:02,869 --> 02:01:08,359
us more uh push for for better

2267
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:12,770
improve improvements in that area based on your input so we

2268
02:01:12,770 --> 02:01:15,319
do appreciate you coming out i mean

2269
02:01:15,319 --> 02:01:18,260
that's the only way we know what's going on in those

2270
02:01:18,260 --> 02:01:20,760
neighborhoods by you people by the neighbors

2271
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:25,529
coming out and telling us what their concerns are and so i

2272
02:01:25,529 --> 02:01:27,960
think in the future anything

2273
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:32,130
associated with mills road will be better equipped to make

2274
02:01:32,130 --> 02:01:35,720
better decisions thank you

2275
02:01:36,359 --> 02:01:39,880
commissioner smith thank you chair i have one business card

2276
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:42,119
so if anybody over here would like

2277
02:01:42,119 --> 02:01:44,000
to make it a little bit easier on you instead of having to

2278
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,119
keep checking the website uh feel free

2279
02:01:46,119 --> 02:01:48,449
for one of you guys to grab it shoot me an email just

2280
02:01:48,449 --> 02:01:50,199
saying hey this is so and so from the

2281
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:52,699
from the bnz meeting i'll put it somewhere and i'll make

2282
02:01:52,699 --> 02:01:54,039
sure whenever i see it on the

2283
02:01:54,039 --> 02:01:56,109
agenda i'll shoot you an email and let you know when it's

2284
02:01:56,109 --> 02:01:57,479
coming up so i'll take that upon us as

2285
02:01:57,479 --> 02:01:59,550
a commission to make sure you guys are notified and you

2286
02:01:59,550 --> 02:02:01,000
guys aren't lost especially with the

2287
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:05,779
mailing issues that we've been taking on so thank you thank

2288
02:02:05,779 --> 02:02:09,159
you tim any other questions or comments

2289
02:02:09,159 --> 02:02:11,239
on this item before we call for a vote on the board

2290
02:02:15,239 --> 02:02:16,489
thank you all for coming out this evening and giving us a

2291
02:02:16,489 --> 02:02:19,000
lot of feedback and input

2292
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:21,840
um been a good discussion on this item and i will call for

2293
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,319
a vote on the board at this time

2294
02:02:24,359 --> 02:02:26,920
we have a motion to approve on the floor

2295
02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:35,479
that motion is going to carry seven to zero

2296
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,800
we'll move us to our final item on our agenda tonight our

2297
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:44,920
project uh matrix i've got

2298
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:49,829
one for sure i'd like to put on there give the room a

2299
02:02:49,829 --> 02:02:51,239
minute to clear

2300
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:07,800
thank you for coming out this evening

2301
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:19,800
thank you all for coming out tonight

2302
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:46,600
Mr. Stout since you don't have access to a computer why don

2303
02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:46,600
't you get with Haley

2304
02:03:57,479 --> 02:03:57,880
thank you

2305
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:03,920
it was a pretty good discussion so i have one item um i don

2306
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,520
't want to put on our uh matrix we've been

2307
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:09,810
talking about notice and i know that's coming back to us um

2308
02:04:09,810 --> 02:04:13,239
i guess i was unaware that we don't send

2309
02:04:13,239 --> 02:04:17,220
notice to etj and i'd like for us to consider that as we

2310
02:04:17,220 --> 02:04:21,000
look at that again um here that we might

2311
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:24,300
want to consider doing that to properties that are adjacent

2312
02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:26,279
to things that are in the city in this

2313
02:04:26,279 --> 02:04:28,630
particular instance where they're right next door but they

2314
02:04:28,630 --> 02:04:30,279
don't get a notice because they're in the

2315
02:04:30,279 --> 02:04:35,060
etj that may or may not be something that we can do but at

2316
02:04:35,060 --> 02:04:37,640
least to put it on that list and then

2317
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:40,079
we can talk about whether that's appropriate or not at the

2318
02:04:40,079 --> 02:04:41,640
time in the future unless you want to

2319
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:44,810
have some discussion about it now we could do it in the

2320
02:04:44,810 --> 02:04:47,560
context of a potential ddc amendment if you

2321
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:49,960
i know that we're putting some notice provisions in the

2322
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:53,159
clarion updates um currently we go by state

2323
02:04:53,159 --> 02:04:56,640
law that that 200 feet within the city limits is by state

2324
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:58,920
law they don't they don't require it out

2325
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:01,619
in the etj so that's why we have not been doing that we do

2326
02:05:01,619 --> 02:05:03,960
have that 500 foot courtesy notice but

2327
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:07,189
we keep it in line with the state statute so that we just

2328
02:05:07,189 --> 02:05:11,079
do it within the city tax rules but if you

2329
02:05:11,079 --> 02:05:16,000
want a policy change to where that courtesy notice can go

2330
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:19,640
into the etj then that's something that we

2331
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:23,949
can propose we probably would want to brief council on that

2332
02:05:23,949 --> 02:05:26,279
sure see where they want to go

2333
02:05:26,279 --> 02:05:29,220
from a policy standpoint okay um i just know it was on i

2334
02:05:29,220 --> 02:05:31,640
think it's supposed to be coming back on

2335
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:34,590
our agenda i think it's been on there for a while for

2336
02:05:34,590 --> 02:05:37,079
notice and so while that's going to be coming

2337
02:05:37,079 --> 02:05:39,859
before us i guess in a work session at some point again i

2338
02:05:39,859 --> 02:05:41,880
think this would be an item that we would

2339
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:45,289
want to include in that discussion unless staff feels like

2340
02:05:45,289 --> 02:05:47,159
it needs to move forward quicker than

2341
02:05:47,159 --> 02:05:50,569
that and take it to city council but i think this is a

2342
02:05:50,569 --> 02:05:53,319
great case to to bring that as an example of

2343
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:56,819
they will ultimately be in the city but they have no say at

2344
02:05:56,819 --> 02:06:01,720
this time so anyway that's my one

2345
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:05,729
commissioner rozzelle thank you chair i have two for

2346
02:06:05,729 --> 02:06:08,760
clarification the new mailing mailers

2347
02:06:09,479 --> 02:06:13,930
posting requirements those are in place but for only new

2348
02:06:13,930 --> 02:06:16,039
projects so projects that happened back

2349
02:06:16,039 --> 02:06:18,329
in september wouldn't be under the new mailing is that

2350
02:06:18,329 --> 02:06:21,399
correct can someone clarify those mailing

2351
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:23,810
when what projects get the new mailers that is correct so

2352
02:06:23,810 --> 02:06:26,279
any that were submitted uh october one

2353
02:06:26,840 --> 02:06:29,159
which was the start of the new fiscal year would be subject

2354
02:06:29,159 --> 02:06:31,880
to the new the new requirements okay

2355
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:34,500
perfect so we'll hopefully start seeing that implemented in

2356
02:06:34,500 --> 02:06:35,960
projects coming forward the next

2357
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:40,399
couple meetings uh the other thing i had was many moons ago

2358
02:06:40,399 --> 02:06:43,479
there was talk about commission getting

2359
02:06:43,479 --> 02:06:45,930
together with council more formally and i didn't know if

2360
02:06:45,930 --> 02:06:47,560
there's been any traction with that

2361
02:06:48,439 --> 02:06:51,229
in regards to some of the there's there's been a lot of

2362
02:06:51,229 --> 02:06:53,159
things that we wanted to talk to council

2363
02:06:53,159 --> 02:06:55,430
about so i didn't know if there's been any momentum in

2364
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:57,479
trying to have a joint meeting with

2365
02:06:57,479 --> 02:07:02,010
the commission and council can i ask what subjects i knew

2366
02:07:02,010 --> 02:07:03,239
you would

2367
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:06,850
i thought tree ordinance is one of them but there might

2368
02:07:06,850 --> 02:07:09,239
have been a couple of their items in which

2369
02:07:09,239 --> 02:07:12,890
there was discussion about getting together if that is

2370
02:07:12,890 --> 02:07:15,239
needed information i don't have it

2371
02:07:16,199 --> 02:07:18,760
perhaps we can discuss it offline sounds good okay

2372
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:23,399
commissioner solvent uh back to the uh

2373
02:07:23,399 --> 02:07:28,710
mailing would it be possible to put the uh 200 and 500 feet

2374
02:07:28,710 --> 02:07:30,920
you know outline where you have it

2375
02:07:30,920 --> 02:07:35,529
on an actual map uh because the more i looked at what we

2376
02:07:35,529 --> 02:07:38,680
get which is sort of a very basic map

2377
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:42,579
and you look at a google map it appeared to me that nobody

2378
02:07:42,579 --> 02:07:45,399
lives within the 200 feet area

2379
02:07:46,199 --> 02:07:48,760
and much you know much less than 500 feet but i couldn't

2380
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:51,159
really tell because the map doesn't

2381
02:07:51,159 --> 02:07:55,000
appear you know it doesn't you know it doesn't match up and

2382
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:58,039
so i'm just wondering uh since we've

2383
02:07:58,039 --> 02:08:02,050
got the uh the zoning future zoning maps and all those

2384
02:08:02,050 --> 02:08:06,439
things uh that are on actual google map kind

2385
02:08:06,439 --> 02:08:10,560
of things put that 200 and 500 radius on an actual map

2386
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:13,000
where we can see what houses so somebody can

2387
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:16,159
come up and use the pointer and say that's my house well

2388
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:18,359
they said that's my house and they're

2389
02:08:18,359 --> 02:08:22,779
you know a thousand feet away from it just a thought in

2390
02:08:22,779 --> 02:08:26,279
fact i made that exact same note on my

2391
02:08:26,279 --> 02:08:29,479
on my map to to delineate it better to have to show an

2392
02:08:29,479 --> 02:08:31,640
aerial but then to also delineate between

2393
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:35,159
city city property within the city and unincorporated

2394
02:08:35,159 --> 02:08:35,960
properties

2395
02:08:39,319 --> 02:08:41,159
anything else for our project matrix

2396
02:08:43,079 --> 02:08:46,529
no okay then i will close us at eight o'clock this evening

2397
02:08:46,529 --> 02:08:49,720
thank you everyone and thank you

2398
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:58,840
everyone for coming out tonight