WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.280 Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton Planning 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:06.179 and Zoning Commission 00:00:06.179 --> 00:00:11.240 work session for October the 11th 2017. This meeting has 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:13.160 been duly posted and we 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:17.920 do have a quorum present and I will call us to order at 5. 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.420 04 and at this time I 00:00:20.420 --> 00:00:23.719 will turn it over to Richard for clarification of our 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:24.960 agenda items and if 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.739 you would like to give us an introduction we would love to 00:00:27.739 --> 00:00:28.079 welcome 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:32.270 you to our Commission. Certainly. Richard Canone, interim 00:00:32.270 --> 00:00:35.119 planning director, here 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.320 for a period of time assisting with some of the reorgan 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:39.840 ization of the 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:44.600 department. I currently or currently reside in Florida 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:45.479 although part-time here 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:49.270 now but most of my experience has been in Florida although 00:00:49.270 --> 00:00:50.439 I have worked in 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.479 South Texas for a brief period of time. Interestingly 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:54.439 enough, a little personal 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.359 tidbit, my wife is from South Texas so although I'm not a 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:58.399 native I am pretty 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.460 close to it as close as I can be but the agenda items this 00:01:03.460 --> 00:01:05.280 evening for 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.049 the most part we have we have two items on consent. One 00:01:08.049 --> 00:01:09.480 item if you 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:13.409 saw in front of you there is a plat relative to Denton 00:01:13.409 --> 00:01:14.359 Commons. 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.670 Unfortunately the wrong item got uploaded onto the system 00:01:18.670 --> 00:01:19.439 so the plat 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.879 that was provided for you is the correct plat to go with 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:23.959 that 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:28.469 application or that agenda item again I'm sorry item 2 to 00:01:28.469 --> 00:01:31.840 be and in addition 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.579 there were two two response forms that we received for the 00:01:35.579 --> 00:01:36.519 rezoning item one 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:40.840 one in favor one one opposed and those had just come in my 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.519 understanding today 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:44.810 but but they were they wanted to make sure that those were 00:01:44.810 --> 00:01:45.680 provided for the 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:50.409 meeting. Okay thank you for that I mean to kind of put you 00:01:50.409 --> 00:01:52.620 on the spot I may 00:01:52.620 --> 00:01:55.989 help a little bit here on our consent does anybody have 00:01:55.989 --> 00:01:57.040 questions on our 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:02.519 consent agenda on either of those items for staff? 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.040 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.969 Chair. You know what I just for my own understanding I 00:02:08.969 --> 00:02:10.560 wanted an explanation of 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.639 note number seven on consent agenda item A where it says no 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:16.240 information has been 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.680 provided that the property can be seward conventionally. 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.319 Can anyone just 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:24.639 tell me what that note means? 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:36.439 Is that on item A or B? It's on A. 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.340 Yeah so I'll let Jim address that question specifically but 00:02:45.340 --> 00:02:46.639 this is a 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.780 plat for a Duluth Trading Company and Northern Tool site 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:50.759 and they're also 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.819 preliminary platting a third lot that's just part of the 00:02:53.819 --> 00:02:55.800 parent parcel but I 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.939 will let Jim speak to that specific note. Thank you. Note 00:03:00.939 --> 00:03:04.039 seven there Jim. 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:12.099 I appreciate you pointing that out that is actually on our 00:03:12.099 --> 00:03:13.719 preliminary plat 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:18.479 checklist for applicants I don't know how it got on there 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:20.000 and when but that 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.500 statement is on there like they're supposed to add that as 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:25.039 a note. It would 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:31.000 not apply in this case it can be seward conventionally so 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.439 it's it's part of the 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:37.370 the major reformatting cleanup streamlining effort we're 00:03:37.370 --> 00:03:37.919 doing that's 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:42.050 that's one thing we need to change along with that. Okay so 00:03:42.050 --> 00:03:43.719 it can be and so that 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.800 that note is not right. Okay very good. Jim just for 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:48.719 clarification that's more 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.490 like one of your standard note things that you guys 00:03:51.490 --> 00:03:52.840 sometimes require just to 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.900 be put on preliminary plat. Yes yes and like I said I don't 00:03:55.900 --> 00:03:57.400 know how it came to 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:02.150 be okay but I mean it it should not be a standard note and 00:04:02.150 --> 00:04:03.159 we will fix that 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.680 checklist and okay does run on this one. Thank you for the 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.000 clarification. Any 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:14.680 other questions on consented agenda items for staff? 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:24.600 Okay we'll move us to items for individual consideration. H 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:25.319 aley do you 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:32.279 have a presentation for us on this? Yes sir. 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.410 All right so we actually have two items on the agenda this 00:04:41.410 --> 00:04:43.160 evening associated 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.040 with Razor Ranch. I prepared a little bit of background 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:47.279 information and embedded 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.720 that in my zoning presentation that we'll hear a bit later 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.000 but just to give 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.769 you some further information it is part of the overlay 00:04:53.769 --> 00:04:55.120 ordinance that site plans 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.100 for Razor Ranch come before the Planning and Zoning 00:04:57.100 --> 00:04:58.160 Commission for approval 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:02.629 rather than being approved by staff as other site plans are 00:05:02.629 --> 00:05:03.959 in the community. 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:08.259 So this request is for approval of a site plan for a Ch 00:05:08.259 --> 00:05:09.600 eddar's restaurant 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.230 that will be constructed within the Razor Ranch South RR2 00:05:13.230 --> 00:05:14.040 district that's 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.879 one of the sub areas within the overlay and it will be 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.680 located on lot 25 block A 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:23.120 of the Razor Ranch Town Center addition. So I've outlined 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:24.600 the site here in yellow 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.370 on this aerial just to give you an idea of where it is 00:05:27.370 --> 00:05:28.399 relative to other things 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.879 that you're probably more familiar with within Razor such 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:32.680 as the new WynnCo and 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.579 then you've got Raising Cane's and some of the other 00:05:34.579 --> 00:05:35.519 restaurants here along 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:43.360 University. So this site is a little over one and a half 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.519 acres it will be located 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:50.980 adjoining the I-35 service road on the east side. Again 00:05:50.980 --> 00:05:52.240 just a little bit of 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.980 background so Razor Ranch does have a base zoning but the 00:05:55.980 --> 00:05:57.420 entire 410 acres was 00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:00.189 rolled into an overlay district that has specific 00:06:00.189 --> 00:06:01.680 architectural landscaping and 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.759 sign standards associated with it. So just to give you an 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:05.759 idea of where the 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:10.259 property is it's located here in the South RR2 sub district 00:06:10.259 --> 00:06:10.860 within the 00:06:10.860 --> 00:06:16.980 overlay. So as I mentioned before all site plans for Razor 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:18.399 Ranch come before 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.439 the Planning and Zoning Commission in this case for the 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:23.000 South RR2 district 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.230 this site plan had to be in compliance with exhibits C1 and 00:06:26.230 --> 00:06:27.279 D1 of the overlay 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.399 ordinance which are the architectural standards and landsca 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:31.399 ping standards for 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:35.660 this commercial district. So with each site plan at Razor 00:06:35.660 --> 00:06:36.399 Ranch they're 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.170 required to submit both the site plan a landscape plan and 00:06:39.170 --> 00:06:40.040 building elevations 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:45.680 for your consideration. All the plans were provided in your 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:46.240 backup but I'll 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.579 go through just a few details of them here. So this will be 00:06:50.579 --> 00:06:52.120 a 7,570 square foot 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:58.040 Cheddar's restaurant. The site will have 125 parking spaces 00:06:58.040 --> 00:06:59.480 . Within Razor Ranch 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.250 they're fairly unique they have to comply with our minimum 00:07:02.250 --> 00:07:02.600 standards set 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.370 forth in the DDC but they are allowed to have excess 00:07:05.370 --> 00:07:06.399 parking so long as it's 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.519 landscaped in conformance with the standards for the 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:10.040 overlay. So this site 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:14.699 was required a minimum of 75 spaces they're providing 125. 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:15.839 Access to the site 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.600 will not be directly from the service road there are 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.439 private drives that are 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:26.319 in place to the north and to the east of the property. 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.879 Looking at their landscape 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.459 plan they required a minimum of 10% landscaping they have 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:34.399 11.4% total on the 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.170 site. I've outlined all the landscape areas here in green 00:07:37.170 --> 00:07:38.360 and they will have a 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:42.839 total of 31.8% tree canopy 20% required for the parking 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:43.439 lots the site 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.209 overall has more canopy and landscaping than required by 00:07:46.209 --> 00:07:48.120 code. You can see here 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.240 some some of the more important features would be the 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:53.100 screening along the I-35 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:56.000 service road they have a number of trees and shrubs and 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:57.120 grasses planted as 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.160 screening elements there and then landscaping incorporated 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:00.480 throughout the 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.279 parking lot and around the building itself. One of the 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:06.800 other kind of unique 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.949 features of the razor range overlay is that they have to 00:08:08.949 --> 00:08:10.000 provide plaza area for 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.839 each building. On this site they're providing a total of 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:15.160 1202 square feet of 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:20.230 plaza area in which I've outlined here in red. Each plot or 00:08:20.230 --> 00:08:21.560 the plaza area for 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.329 the site has to contain at least three of seven items that 00:08:24.329 --> 00:08:25.240 are outlined in the 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.879 overlay. In this case they've selected to provide benches, 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:30.000 plaza trees, and 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.769 planters within the plaza area. So those elements are 00:08:32.769 --> 00:08:34.000 scattered around the site 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.220 here we have benches on two sides of the building an area 00:08:37.220 --> 00:08:38.360 here with trees and 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:42.000 then planters provided in front of the building. 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.879 Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Just quick question 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.120 those plaza areas they're 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.210 not part of Cheddar's where they'll be served by Cheddar 00:08:51.210 --> 00:08:52.679 employees that's just 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.899 general use plaza. Yes that's just public space provided 00:08:55.899 --> 00:08:56.519 outside the 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.450 buildings. Thank you. Commissioner Smith. Thank you 00:09:00.450 --> 00:09:02.720 Commissioner. The going back to 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.480 the screening on 35 is there a height they've got it or do 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:06.840 we have this our 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:12.429 height and the overlaid on that is it tall short short shr 00:09:12.429 --> 00:09:13.360 ub big shrub? 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.529 You'd like the woodlands or is it gonna be like driving 00:09:16.529 --> 00:09:17.620 down 35 there's a bush 00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:20.000 in front of Kroger that kind of thing. So they're providing 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.360 I believe they're a minimum of three feet tall at 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.179 planting for the shrubs and these are considered large 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:26.240 trees by the code so 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.279 they'll be smaller at planting but are large tree species. 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.279 Okay thank you. 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:37.080 Haley on those I think there were seven big live oaks are 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.559 we requiring them to 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.330 those in front of their business is that a requirement are 00:09:41.330 --> 00:09:42.480 they choosing to put 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.929 them there? When they have frontage on a public street they 00:09:45.929 --> 00:09:46.480 're required to 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.799 provide screening for the parking lot and part of that is 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:50.960 one large tree for 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.850 every so many feet of frontage. The placement of those 00:09:53.850 --> 00:09:54.840 doesn't have to be 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.929 you know one for every 45 feet it they just have to be 00:09:57.929 --> 00:09:59.000 there so in this case 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.769 they kind of cluster them in two areas to provide some 00:10:01.769 --> 00:10:02.639 openings in between. 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:06.779 Well that's where I was going my question is if it's gonna 00:10:06.779 --> 00:10:07.600 screen their 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.830 signage and we're gonna be back here somewhere down the 00:10:10.830 --> 00:10:12.600 road that can't see 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:17.480 our store from 35 and can remove the tree so but this 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:18.200 required to go in the 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.070 frontage. Yes they do have to screen the parking lot along 00:10:21.070 --> 00:10:21.960 the frontage. Can't go on the side or 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.000 something like that. No sir and well the sign overlay we'll 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:26.639 discuss a little bit 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.779 more later but Razor Ranch does have its standard sign 00:10:28.779 --> 00:10:29.679 placement along the 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:31.809 frontage for monument signs and then each building will 00:10:31.809 --> 00:10:32.879 have its own signs. 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:36.879 And then final question obviously this looks like it's set 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:38.720 way back off of the 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:41.759 service road I assume that's for textile right of way for 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.720 down the road? Yes yeah 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.610 that has required its ultimate right of way there I believe 00:10:47.610 --> 00:10:48.519 . Okay do we have an 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.750 idea how far back that's gonna be approximately? I don't 00:10:52.750 --> 00:10:54.000 know off the top 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.720 of my head. Jim are you I'm sure we could look at the plans 00:10:58.720 --> 00:10:59.519 and find that number 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.049 but I'm not sure if the top of my head. Between now and 00:11:01.049 --> 00:11:03.519 when we get in there just curious if it's 75 or 100 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.960 feet off of the road. Okay. Commissioner Smith. Thank you 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.000 chair. Is there in the in the 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.230 Razor Ranch overlay is there certain shrubs trees or 00:11:12.230 --> 00:11:13.320 anything that's outlined 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.460 as specific use so there's a uniform usage of landscape 00:11:17.460 --> 00:11:18.600 across all? Yes sir. 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:26.559 Thank you. All right so here's the building elevations that 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:27.120 were provided 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.889 for the west and north side of the building so you can see 00:11:29.889 --> 00:11:30.559 here that the 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.629 sign that they will have facing the frontage road there and 00:11:34.629 --> 00:11:35.360 all of the 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.450 materials are standard throughout the overlay as well there 00:11:38.450 --> 00:11:39.320 's certain permitted 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.250 materials a certain color palette that has to be adhered to 00:11:43.250 --> 00:11:44.360 and then we have 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.429 the east and south side of the building so this east side 00:11:47.429 --> 00:11:48.360 what's is what will 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.870 be facing internal to the development along that road there 00:11:50.870 --> 00:11:51.480 so you can see 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.889 they have another sign on that side of the building. There 00:11:55.889 --> 00:11:57.200 are criteria for 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.669 approval outlined in the overlay district. It states that 00:12:00.669 --> 00:12:02.080 the P&Z shall approve a 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.120 site plan if it substantially complies with the concept and 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:05.879 schematic plan 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.269 approved by City Council for the entire overlay. The site 00:12:09.269 --> 00:12:10.600 plan has to provide for 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.169 a compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses that 00:12:13.169 --> 00:12:14.039 will not adversely 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.809 affect adjoining neighborhoods or properties in this case 00:12:16.809 --> 00:12:17.240 all of the 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.039 adjoining property is either I-35 or more of the Razor 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:21.279 Ranch overlay district 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.049 there's no neighborhoods in this immediate area. 00:12:24.049 --> 00:12:26.600 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:32.240 Thank you chair. I'm just thinking the setback I'm going 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:33.000 back to the setback. 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:38.480 The 75 feet or 100 feet whatever is that to allow the 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:39.600 traffic on the frontage 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.919 road that we have now they're going to expand that frontage 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.720 road because every 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:50.399 time I go to that part of town I put on my GPS it's always 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.120 red. So I'm just 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:57.399 concerned that is there any plan so that there are like 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:59.200 right turn only off of 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:03.639 the service road into Razor Ranch you know just in general 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:05.279 just reduce that 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:11.039 you know the clog that happens in that area or yes sir so 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:12.279 let's see this one 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.049 probably shows it best so my understanding is this is a 00:13:15.049 --> 00:13:15.879 right in right 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.919 out here on the service road immediately north of the 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:21.000 property. Jim would you like 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:24.799 to address the conditions in future build out in that area 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:25.639 if you're familiar 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:31.399 with it? I don't know that Cheddar's in and of itself is 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:32.919 going to make that much 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.190 difference in the overall traffic pattern but as it starts 00:13:36.190 --> 00:13:37.000 building out 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.799 more and more that existing drive is going to get used more 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:43.879 and more. 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:57.320 Yes sir that drive is or let me back up the right of way 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:59.320 the TexDOT right of way 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:03.399 that is that setback is associated with that has been 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.480 acquired already recently 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:18.559 by TexDOT and there will be a future project involving the 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:18.879 service the service 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.809 road it's not imminent I don't know what the timetable is 00:14:22.809 --> 00:14:24.720 on it but that right 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.820 away is to accommodate that future project. So that's going 00:14:28.820 --> 00:14:29.759 to be within 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:34.820 where it says limits of construction from that line down to 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:35.960 where it says 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:42.409 interstate highway 35 that's the area that TexDOT has to 00:14:42.409 --> 00:14:43.639 expand is that what 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.679 I'm hearing okay okay thank you. 00:14:48.879 --> 00:15:04.059 That answer your question? Yes. Okay no problem. All right 00:15:04.059 --> 00:15:05.000 yeah so the 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:08.049 criteria for approval compliance with the concept and 00:15:08.049 --> 00:15:09.840 schematic plan no adverse 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.759 impact to surrounding neighborhoods or properties the site 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:13.679 plan provides for 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.450 adequate and safe circulation of vehicular traffic and the 00:15:16.450 --> 00:15:17.159 plan complies 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.950 with all other sections of this overlay district through 00:15:19.950 --> 00:15:20.919 staff analysis we 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.509 determined that the site plan did meet these criteria and 00:15:24.509 --> 00:15:25.559 with that we are 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.600 recommending of the site plan as it is compliant with all 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:29.600 of the regulations of 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.370 the Razor Ranch overlay district and meets the criteria for 00:15:32.370 --> 00:15:33.000 approval that are 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.149 outlined in that district and I can answer any other 00:15:35.149 --> 00:15:36.159 questions at this time 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:41.679 if you have any. Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair. The 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.039 he says the it's 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.779 existing it's an existing entrance already is that what you 00:15:46.779 --> 00:15:47.679 're saying if 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.879 you go back to I was looking at the aerial and what you 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:52.039 showed there that's 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.909 an existing drive is that that's not currently there and so 00:15:54.909 --> 00:15:55.600 what you said is 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.789 that what you're asking about Steve? Currently under 00:15:57.789 --> 00:15:59.039 construction. Currently under construction. Thank you. 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.450 So will be existing by the time Chatterford is under 00:16:02.450 --> 00:16:08.600 construction. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.419 Haley talk to me about walkability of this site obviously 00:16:12.419 --> 00:16:12.919 we're gonna have a 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:16.379 lot of development in and around that I know a movie 00:16:16.379 --> 00:16:17.600 theater going in 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:22.029 apartments going in talk to me about walkability to this 00:16:22.029 --> 00:16:24.039 restaurant. Okay well 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.289 they do have sidewalks built into the site there will be 00:16:27.289 --> 00:16:28.399 sidewalks along the 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.710 internal drives let me see maybe I don't have a map that 00:16:32.710 --> 00:16:34.240 would show that very 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.769 well but there are sidewalks outlined throughout all the 00:16:37.769 --> 00:16:38.519 roads that will 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.549 traverse the razor ranch overlay or the entire razor ranch 00:16:42.549 --> 00:16:44.320 development no 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.360 sidewalks along the frontage road but there will be 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:47.279 internal sidewalks 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.090 throughout the development and each piece as it comes in is 00:16:50.090 --> 00:16:50.720 required to 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.039 provide connectivity to those larger sidewalks that will be 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:53.639 in place along 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.960 the streets. Okay so definitely walkable from these these 00:16:57.960 --> 00:16:59.080 other developing areas 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:06.390 without walking through the parking lot. Yeah. Okay thank 00:17:06.390 --> 00:17:08.640 you. Thank you Haley 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:13.160 appreciate that. Thank you. And are you gonna present for 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:14.240 Julie for public 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.799 hearings? Yes. Okay. 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.690 Are we ready for the first item? Yes. Okay. All right. Okay 00:17:32.690 --> 00:17:38.880 so this is case Z 1720 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:43.039 for the lineman college. The request is to hold a public 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:44.440 hearing and make a 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.329 recommendation regarding an initial zoning classification 00:17:47.329 --> 00:17:48.039 of Industrial 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:48.039 Center General it's our ICG district for approximately 14 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:53.079 acres of property and 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:53.079 see outlined here in yellow it's located along Dakota and 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:58.599 Shelby Lane and in 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:04.029 general this site is located between the I-35 intersection 00:18:04.029 --> 00:18:05.440 or interchange and the 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:12.019 airport. So a little bit of history on the site a trade 00:18:12.019 --> 00:18:13.279 school was established 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.210 on the site back in early 2010 in that same year the 00:18:17.210 --> 00:18:18.960 subject property was part 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:23.630 of a citywide annexation program so when it was annexed the 00:18:23.630 --> 00:18:24.480 placeholder 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:28.700 designation of RD 5x that's our rural district was applied 00:18:28.700 --> 00:18:29.880 to the site to kind 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:32.299 of serve as its holding zoning district until an initial 00:18:32.299 --> 00:18:33.279 zoning was requested 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.640 for the property. So the purpose of the applicants requests 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:37.799 before you tonight is 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.369 to facilitate the expansion of their existing campus and to 00:18:42.369 --> 00:18:43.640 bring their 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.690 zoning into compliance or into correspondence with the 00:18:46.690 --> 00:18:47.440 surrounding 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:52.099 zoning pattern. So looking at what's in the area you can 00:18:52.099 --> 00:18:54.079 see this the current the 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.440 parcel we're looking at tonight is kind of an isolated 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.160 pocket of RD 5x and a sea 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.289 of industrial zoning surrounding it so surrounding it on 00:19:03.289 --> 00:19:04.559 all sides within 200 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.750 feet we have the ICG district we have some vehicle repair 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:09.599 uses other 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.710 industrial uses and there are some some gas wells in this 00:19:13.710 --> 00:19:15.920 area as well. If we zoom 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.690 a little bit further out you'll see there's also some ICE 00:19:18.690 --> 00:19:19.160 so that's 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.740 industrial center employment and currently on this parcel 00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:23.359 there's a 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:27.750 temporary industrial use established. Looking at the 00:19:27.750 --> 00:19:29.440 broader area you can see 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.279 down here where the star is is the subject property so 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:33.559 primarily industrial 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.130 zoning in this this entire side of town. Looking at 00:19:37.130 --> 00:19:38.880 mobility that you can see 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.380 here in black the I-35 corridor there are several arterial 00:19:42.380 --> 00:19:43.519 streets that are in 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.559 the immediate vicinity of the property as well as the local 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:47.319 streets such as 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:51.349 Dakota and Shelby that would serve this property. The 00:19:51.349 --> 00:19:53.240 comprehensive plan for this 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:58.519 area is industrial commerce that's that district is 00:19:58.519 --> 00:19:59.980 intended to be 00:19:59.980 --> 00:20:03.339 predominantly industrial uses manufacturing wholesale 00:20:03.339 --> 00:20:04.200 distribution 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.839 the more intensive larger scale uses which we see in this 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:08.759 area already. 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.859 Complementary uses could be commercial such as shopping and 00:20:12.859 --> 00:20:13.640 child care in 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:16.410 appropriate places to provide transitions between the 00:20:16.410 --> 00:20:16.799 industrial 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:21.960 zoning and other districts in the area. Commissioner Beck. 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:22.839 Thank you chair. Well 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:27.200 we got this map up. Metro which hits the 35 service road it 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:27.839 didn't come all the 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:31.769 way through yet are there plans to connect Metro because it 00:20:31.769 --> 00:20:32.599 appears the 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:38.279 only way to get to this side is to come in from Airport 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.640 Road. Yeah. Yeah I am not 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:46.470 familiar with any plans to connect at Metro. Jim might be 00:20:46.470 --> 00:20:47.920 looks like he's 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:52.480 looking at his map. Okay yeah I know at this point I don't 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:53.240 believe it connects 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.519 Corbin Road to the south also no longer connects so the 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:57.759 primary point of access 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.839 is Airport Road. All right yeah looks like there are no 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:01.599 immediate plans for 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:08.059 Metro according to Jim. Okay thanks. So the requested ICG 00:21:08.059 --> 00:21:09.000 district is directly 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:13.170 compatible with the industrial commerce future land use 00:21:13.170 --> 00:21:16.359 designation. So in you 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.420 know just to summarize what we've looked at here the ICG 00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:19.200 district would be a 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.069 logical extension of the existing zoning pattern there's IC 00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:22.960 G on all sides of the 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.950 property and it would ensure that this property as it 00:21:26.950 --> 00:21:28.160 expands and continues to 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:32.819 develop develops in a compatible form with those existing 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:33.680 land uses. 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.430 Notification was sent at time of this meeting we hadn't 00:21:37.430 --> 00:21:38.960 received any responses 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:42.690 to that notification and staff is recommending approval 00:21:42.690 --> 00:21:43.680 because of the 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.089 compatibility of this request with the surrounding land 00:21:46.089 --> 00:21:47.200 uses surrounding zoning 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.279 pattern and compatibility with the Denton Plan 2030 and can 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:51.980 answer any 00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:55.240 questions. Commissioner Sullivan. My understanding is that 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:56.319 this land was annexed 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.880 and at the time of annexation that's what the code we just 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.039 arbitrarily set at 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.240 is that correct is that way I understand it? Yes yeah RD 5X 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.119 is just kind of a 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.890 placeholder designation that's applied to any newly annexed 00:22:09.890 --> 00:22:10.359 property. So there 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:14.769 wasn't any rhyme or reason for that designation other than 00:22:14.769 --> 00:22:15.799 if you sort of 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.680 what looked good at the time? It's what's applied to any 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:19.880 newly annexed property 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:23.210 until the owner of it decides what zoning designation they 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:24.039 would wish to 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:29.529 apply for on their property. Thank you. Commissioner Back. 00:22:29.529 --> 00:22:30.640 Thank you chair. If you 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:36.200 could go back to the Google aerial image. What's yeah what 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.960 is that that's on there 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.509 what's gonna happen to it once if we approve this zone 00:22:41.509 --> 00:22:43.160 change? This existing 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.279 use? Yes. This is a trade school it's the Lineman College 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:48.799 so. Oh I thought the 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.839 Lineman College was just north of there and this this was 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:52.799 the area that they 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.890 were gonna build on. No sir this is currently all owned by 00:22:55.890 --> 00:22:56.440 the Lineman 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:01.000 College they're seeking to expand the campus. Okay thanks. 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.000 Commissioner Sanchez. 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:10.559 As far as the road airport road if they expand that are 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:11.759 they talking about how 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.519 many students they might be utilizing what the population 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.720 might be? I'm not 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:20.490 familiar with any what their exact model is for how many 00:23:20.490 --> 00:23:21.480 students they would be 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.400 able to hold. I know the expansions they're looking at 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:24.839 right now are 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:26.839 intended to come in several phases I think right now they 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:27.599 're just wanting to 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.740 add a single classroom to the site but the use is currently 00:23:31.740 --> 00:23:32.640 considered 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.180 non-conforming so to expand the existing use their options 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:37.200 would be to either go 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.130 to ZBA or to choose to rezone their property to a zoning 00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:42.240 designation that 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.839 would permit the use that they're wanting to expand. But I 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:47.599 'm not familiar 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.349 with the number of students enrolled. I was gonna ask how 00:23:50.349 --> 00:23:51.279 many students are enrolled. 00:23:51.279 --> 00:24:00.720 Any other questions for Haley on this item? Thank you Haley 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.720 and I guess you'll 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:06.440 go on to item B for us. Yes sir. 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.599 Okay so as I alluded to earlier this zoning case is also 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:16.960 associated with 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.900 Razor Ranch so I've built in a little more background about 00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:20.799 the overlay into 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:25.640 this presentation. So this request is to hold public 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:27.720 hearing and consider a 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.769 request to amend several exhibits of the overlay so 00:24:30.769 --> 00:24:32.480 exhibits B1 and B4 the 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.940 concept plan and the zoning map and also amendments to 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:37.480 exhibit E1 which are the 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:42.069 sign standards for the overlay. These changes the changes 00:24:42.069 --> 00:24:43.640 in B1 and B4 would 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:48.400 apply to approximately 12.17 acres and the intent there is 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:49.079 to change from the 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.630 south mixed-use district to the south RR2 district and then 00:24:53.630 --> 00:24:55.039 that area plus an 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:59.220 additional 10 acres so 22 acres roughly are seeking to be 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:00.359 incorporated into 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:07.640 what's known as sign area 2. So in total Razor Ranch is 410 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.119 acres located on both 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:14.359 sides of US 380 between Bonnie Bray and I-35. The overlay 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:15.880 was first approved in 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:20.359 2007. There are several major components to the overlay 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.119 district. Those 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.289 primary concerns being zoning restrictions so for each sub 00:25:26.289 --> 00:25:26.920 area of the 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.960 overlay there are permitted uses and restrictions assigned 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:30.839 to that district. 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.730 That's all outlined on the zoning map that we'll look at in 00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:35.240 a minute. There's 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.009 also site design criteria as we saw earlier for 00:25:38.009 --> 00:25:39.200 architecture landscaping and 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:43.039 signage and one of the other unique features as we saw 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:44.359 before is that it 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:46.529 does include a site plan process that requires those site 00:25:46.529 --> 00:25:47.720 plans come before P&Z 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:53.680 for approval. And just so you know these are the two parc 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:54.400 els that we're looking 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.670 at here so this piece where the cursor is now is the 12.17 00:25:58.670 --> 00:25:59.319 acres where the 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.319 zoning change would apply to and then the entirety outlined 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:04.539 in red are the 22 00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:09.910 acres that the sign district change corresponds with. So a 00:26:09.910 --> 00:26:11.359 little bit of 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.130 background there are two major areas to the Razor Ranch 00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:15.240 overlay. The north side 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.009 is known as the marketplace. I'm sure you're familiar with 00:26:18.009 --> 00:26:18.559 that where Walmart 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.599 and Sam's are. It's primarily built out and then on the 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:23.240 south side of 380 we have 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:26.640 what's generally called the south campus of Razor Ranch. 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:28.200 Within the marketplace 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.140 there are three different zoning designations. We have the 00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:32.119 RR2 sub area, 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:35.839 the RR3 area, and then on the north side there is a 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.440 residential area that 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.849 doesn't yet have standards developed for it but at some 00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:41.720 point will be 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:47.640 residential uses. On the south side there are many sub area 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.359 sub districts that 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.880 apply here. We have the RR1 district which is where that's 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:52.680 the town center 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.480 where the convention center and several other uses will be. 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:56.839 We have the south 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:01.119 RR2 area that's primarily along this perimeter along 380 00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.559 and 35. There's the 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.849 south mixed-use district that applies kind of to the entire 00:27:06.849 --> 00:27:07.720 rest of the south 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.480 side and then there are several other smaller pieces. We 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.039 have a substation for 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.809 DME up here along Bonnie Bray. There is a drill pad 00:27:16.809 --> 00:27:18.319 existing along Bonnie Bray as 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.369 well and then Cook Children's has a piece of the land here 00:27:22.369 --> 00:27:23.119 that they already 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:27.289 have an existing facility on and may someday expand. So 00:27:27.289 --> 00:27:28.680 just to run through 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.150 this kind of quickly in the marketplace there are three 00:27:31.150 --> 00:27:32.119 exhibits in the overlay 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:35.039 that assign architectural landscaping and sign standards 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:36.119 for that area. As I 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.519 mentioned the residential components aren't designed yet 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.240 but once that's 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.109 ready to be developed they will come back with a request 00:27:42.109 --> 00:27:43.440 for those standards. 00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:50.089 On the south side we have exhibits C1, D1, and E1 that 00:27:50.089 --> 00:27:51.519 control the 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.839 architecture landscaping and sign standards for the town 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:55.720 center and the 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.019 south RR2 area and those were the standards that we saw 00:27:59.019 --> 00:27:59.559 applied to 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.680 Chetters earlier. For the south mixed-use district the 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.640 standards are not yet 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.769 approved. Once this portion of the campus is ready to 00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:09.279 develop those standards will 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:13.079 be developed for each of the uses within the south mixed- 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:14.920 use area and those kind 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:20.349 of have placeholders in the overlay as exhibits C2, D2, and 00:28:20.349 --> 00:28:24.400 E2. So the first part 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.450 of the request is a change to exhibit B1. As you can see 00:28:28.450 --> 00:28:29.839 here the change would 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.950 apply to this 12 acres of property on the south side of the 00:28:32.950 --> 00:28:35.000 town center and we 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.359 would be changing it from south mixed-use to south RR2 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:39.720 district which is 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:44.319 what is currently existing along all of 35 and highway 380. 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:45.880 The second part of 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.450 the request is to amend exhibit B4 in a similar manner just 00:28:49.450 --> 00:28:50.140 to expand the 00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:54.799 boundaries of the south RR2 district to incorporate this 12 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:56.720 acres. To give you a 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.900 bit of a comparison between these districts they're very 00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:00.839 similar in terms 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.170 of the general regulations that are applied to them in 00:29:03.170 --> 00:29:04.119 terms of lot coverage 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:09.240 landscape area all of those things maximum building height 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.799 does it is 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.569 fairly similar between them as well the primary difference 00:29:13.569 --> 00:29:14.400 between the two is 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.500 the residential uses that are permitted in the mixed-use 00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:19.119 district. Commissioner 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:23.630 Beck. Thank you Chair. Which raises the question why is 00:29:23.630 --> 00:29:25.240 there even a zone change 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.019 request here because both areas will allow with this 00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:30.640 applicant seeking which 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:35.720 is an indoor recreational. Yes sir. So is it a fair time to 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:36.640 ask that question now? 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.799 Yes sir and I will address that in just a moment but we can 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:39.960 certainly 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:44.089 address it now. This table here kind of explains why they 00:29:44.089 --> 00:29:45.000 're making this request. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.150 The south mixed-use district currently does not have 00:29:47.150 --> 00:29:49.099 standards developed so 00:29:49.099 --> 00:29:51.869 a site plan for that property couldn't be accepted and 00:29:51.869 --> 00:29:52.680 approved because there 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.420 are no standards by which to review it. So their options 00:29:56.420 --> 00:29:57.880 were to develop these 00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.819 standards which they may not be ready to do because it 00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:00.619 would apply to a much 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:04.210 larger area that they don't have specific plans for yet or 00:30:04.210 --> 00:30:05.039 to rezone it 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.369 to a district that already has established standards. How 00:30:09.369 --> 00:30:10.960 far off are we 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.730 from getting these standards for the south mixed-use? Is 00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:14.539 that something so 00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:21.079 far down the road that under the existing code? I don't 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:21.839 know their specific 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.609 timeline for that. A piece of it's already been done if you 00:30:24.609 --> 00:30:25.079 remember last 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.920 year there was a multifamily proposal that came in so they 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:28.440 developed the 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.579 multifamily standards for the south mixed-use area but they 00:30:31.579 --> 00:30:31.960 're they're not 00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:33.950 quite ready for the commercial standards and the single- 00:30:33.950 --> 00:30:35.180 family standards and all 00:30:35.180 --> 00:30:38.400 of those pieces yet. I'm not sure of the exact timeline on 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.480 that. Okay thanks. 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.650 So just to give you an example here's some approved 00:30:44.650 --> 00:30:46.579 building elevations that 00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:49.619 exist in the RR2 area to kind of show you what the design 00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:51.240 criteria generate 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.609 in this area. So you know restaurants we have rooms to go 00:30:54.609 --> 00:30:55.799 which is currently 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.119 under construction which I believe you saw last year as 00:30:58.119 --> 00:30:59.200 well as the Alamo Draft 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:04.259 House. So we'd be looking at something similar on this 00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:07.319 property in question. So 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.069 as I've kind of mentioned before the two major differences 00:31:11.069 --> 00:31:12.200 if this request is 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.970 approved would be the removal of residential uses from this 00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:15.279 property and 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.720 this change in design standards. Residential property is 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:20.640 not ideal in 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.150 this area given the proximity to 35 and the various 00:31:24.150 --> 00:31:26.119 compatible commercial uses 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.970 that have been developed in the area and design standards 00:31:29.970 --> 00:31:30.920 have yet to be 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.069 developed for this but they're not likely to be very 00:31:33.069 --> 00:31:34.039 different between the 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.809 south mixed use and the RR2 area in terms of commercial 00:31:36.809 --> 00:31:37.799 development. We 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.529 expect that those will be relatively similar. Moving on 00:31:42.529 --> 00:31:44.920 then to the the 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.690 second major component of the request but the third 00:31:47.690 --> 00:31:48.619 individual exhibit that 00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:54.279 will change. Exhibit E1 of the overlay controls the sign 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:55.119 standards for the 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.990 property. There are two appendices to that that map out 00:31:57.990 --> 00:31:59.200 where the various sign 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:04.009 areas are to determine what standards apply. Because this 00:32:04.009 --> 00:32:05.359 parcel that we just 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.809 looked at for the rezoning as well as the adjoining parcel 00:32:07.809 --> 00:32:08.619 where rooms to go 00:32:08.619 --> 00:32:12.119 is under construction those were both previously part of 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:12.880 the south mixed use 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.920 district or one of them still is that the request is before 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.240 you tonight but 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.079 because the south mixed use district standards are not yet 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.579 developed they haven't been assigned sign standards or to a 00:32:22.579 --> 00:32:24.000 sign area. So this 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.339 is more of a housekeeping request to extend the existing 00:32:27.339 --> 00:32:29.039 sign area to and the 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.089 standards that apply to it further south to include the 00:32:32.089 --> 00:32:33.599 remainder of the RR2 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:40.049 district. So appendix. Commissioner Sullivan. What weight 00:32:40.049 --> 00:32:41.039 was given in 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:47.539 originally back whenever as to how much residential use was 00:32:47.539 --> 00:32:48.960 going to be you know 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.259 available in this area. I mean is was there a you know a 00:32:54.259 --> 00:32:55.359 large weight given to 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.079 the fact that this was going to be residential and 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.599 commercial and you know 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.049 kind of a mixed use sort of a thing and was there a certain 00:33:05.049 --> 00:33:06.559 requirement for a 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.150 certain number of residences to be available here to begin 00:33:10.150 --> 00:33:11.119 with and how does 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:16.559 this affect any of that? Okay. Yes sir let me back up for a 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.400 moment get to a map 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.799 that will show. Okay so if you look at the entire overlay 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.720 the primary locations 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:28.079 for residential are going to be in the south mixed use area 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.319 . So we have the codes 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.779 on the map you multi-family single-family are designated 00:33:31.779 --> 00:33:33.079 for specific areas within 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:37.150 the development and the parcel that we're looking at here 00:33:37.150 --> 00:33:38.279 as well as some of 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.430 the adjoining properties to the east along Heritage Trail 00:33:41.430 --> 00:33:42.119 do allow for 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.890 multi-family development at this point in time. There's an 00:33:44.890 --> 00:33:45.759 approved site plan for 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.240 multi-family if I could get the cursor to show up here for 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.079 this piece of 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.539 property but there are maximums as to the amount of 00:33:56.539 --> 00:33:58.240 residential development of 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.460 each type that can be in the overlay as a whole but in 00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:03.079 general and planning it 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:05.910 this side was intended to be the town center the walkable 00:34:05.910 --> 00:34:07.640 commercial area with 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.409 a mixture of entertainment restaurants and various things 00:34:10.409 --> 00:34:11.159 and then the east 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.960 side is intended to be more residential. But there wasn't a 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.679 residential minimum 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.789 there may have been a residential maximum it was there a 00:34:18.789 --> 00:34:20.559 minimum because I see 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.500 where after you know the changes you still have multi-f you 00:34:24.500 --> 00:34:25.800 know hotel 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.960 multi-family south of the area next to Cook's and so that's 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:32.800 still going to be 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:39.670 there and one of the reasons was the proximity to I-35. 00:34:39.670 --> 00:34:40.760 Well what's south where 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:47.119 it says Hotel RRMF that's a lot closer to 35 than this plot 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:47.760 that we're looking 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.929 at and so I'm just wondering by changing that from 00:34:51.929 --> 00:34:55.840 residents to commercial what 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.769 change that is making to the overall agreement or 00:34:59.769 --> 00:35:01.760 conditions that were set 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.849 forth in the very beginning of this project because I know 00:35:04.849 --> 00:35:05.760 that's changed 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:11.639 several times over the last few years. So I said there are 00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:12.760 maximums established 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.840 I'm not aware of any minimums for residential components 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:17.880 but overall you 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.699 know the only change between the South RR2 and South mixed 00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:21.480 use is the lack of 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.679 residential. It already permits all of the commercial uses 00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:25.239 that would be 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.320 permitted so really we're just losing the opportunity to 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:30.119 put multi-family on 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.349 this site which has multiple other spaces within the 00:35:33.349 --> 00:35:34.440 overlay that multi- 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.199 family can be accommodated. Okay. And just to address your 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:39.059 concerns that the 00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:42.570 southern pieces here I believe the intent for those pieces 00:35:42.570 --> 00:35:43.280 is similar 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.510 medical uses that would be compatible with what's already 00:35:45.510 --> 00:35:46.559 there so that South 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.789 mixed use allowing office and medical uses will accomplish 00:35:49.789 --> 00:35:50.760 that goal. I just 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.690 want to make sure we weren't taking away residential 00:35:54.690 --> 00:35:56.840 possibilities that were in 00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.070 the original agreement that then they're going to be able 00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:01.079 to say hey y'all did it. 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.199 Certainly. Okay thank you. Commissioner Beck. Thank you 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:05.519 Chair. 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.559 Again just so I'm clear here when you go over to that 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:09.719 section over there where 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.369 it's mainly residential we have site standards for that 00:36:13.369 --> 00:36:14.800 right but in an area 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.550 where we have a combination of residential and commercial 00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:19.039 we don't 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:23.880 have site standards? Yes so for the entire South mixed use 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.880 area speaking 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.650 generally there are not established standards at this point 00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:29.199 . For the 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.519 like multi-family apartments there's not site standards? 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:33.599 For multi-family they they 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.019 develop the standards specific to multi-family but then the 00:36:36.019 --> 00:36:36.559 future they 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.349 will need to establish commercial standards single-family 00:36:39.349 --> 00:36:39.980 residential 00:36:39.980 --> 00:36:47.440 standards for the various uses that would go there. Okay. 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.719 Commissioner Sanchez. Would you say is that because 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.400 probably up along they've 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.929 established the commercial standards because they've 00:36:56.929 --> 00:36:58.440 already been building up 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.960 all in along 380 would make sense you haven't seen a lot of 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:03.000 residential I 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.039 haven't seen any residential in that area but I do see a 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.559 lot of commercial so 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:11.099 that's that's probably why they you know taking one step at 00:37:11.099 --> 00:37:12.079 a time mm-hmm they 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.849 decide you know where do we start first where to take our 00:37:14.849 --> 00:37:15.960 first bite so that's 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.119 that that makes sense what they what they're doing. Yes sir 00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:20.639 and there is a 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.590 requirement the overlay that a certain amount of commercial 00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:23.199 had to be in place 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.449 before the residential could be developed so it's all kind 00:37:26.449 --> 00:37:26.800 of fall 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.730 falling in line there. Yeah. Commissioner Smith. Thank You 00:37:30.730 --> 00:37:31.800 Chair. In regards to 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:36.039 mobility plan does removing the residential usage on this 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.039 land and only 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.079 allowing it to be commercial uses is there any changes 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:42.239 whatsoever we're gonna 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.539 see like if we if it had been left open for residential and 00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:46.440 had been developed 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.000 in multifamily with the use the mobility usage on that road 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:51.119 that adjacent to that 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.880 property would it be less impact versus if it was 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:55.920 commercial uses like what's 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.429 proposed here does that question make sense? It does. I don 00:37:59.429 --> 00:38:00.559 't know that we saw 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.969 any trip generations for that comparison specifically I 00:38:03.969 --> 00:38:05.199 will say with it being 12 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.289 acres it's not likely there was a whole lot of density that 00:38:07.289 --> 00:38:07.960 could have been 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.440 there for multifamily. I'm just thinking in regards to the 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:10.920 letter that was 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.420 written in just if they're silly complaint they really made 00:38:14.420 --> 00:38:15.119 but just if 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.989 there is on the mobility plan if we saw there's a huge 00:38:17.989 --> 00:38:19.119 spike of traffic now 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.980 because commercial usage instead of if there had been a 00:38:21.980 --> 00:38:23.159 multifamily development 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.920 later on down the road. I don't believe that was a concern 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:26.320 because in general 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.760 the mobility for razor it the roads are being built as the 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.360 development 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.400 progresses so heritage trail will be an arterial multi-lane 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.559 road panhandle will 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.750 be extended all the way across as this development comes in 00:38:38.750 --> 00:38:39.679 so there will be 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:45.480 ample access to the site. So yeah panhandle I'm sorry. 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.880 Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah panhandle is nonexistent and 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:50.760 from what I was 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.530 reading they're gonna make that a four lane is that is that 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:54.360 what they're 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:59.280 looking at? It's currently under design. Uh-huh. It's going 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.400 to be a collector street. 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.869 As far as I don't believe it's four lanes I don't remember 00:39:06.869 --> 00:39:08.280 we've just started 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.550 looking at the at the first some metal is on the plans for 00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:12.280 it but it is 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.679 designated as a collector. Okay I thought I read that 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:16.800 somewhere. The part of it 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.639 right by the highways under construction and we're starting 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:21.039 to look at the 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.679 plans taking out to heritage and then to the east and then 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.360 continuing heritage up 00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:30.880 to the point where it's currently under construction now. 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.159 And you're not crazy I think I did type that it was a four- 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.559 line so I think it 00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.599 might actually be a three-lane from what I'm remembering 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:45.679 but like Jim said those 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.090 plans are under review so it will be designed to collector 00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:53.679 standards. So the 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.480 second part of the sign exhibit that needs to be amended is 00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.639 appendix two and 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.079 this is just another map that outlines the sign areas and 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:03.280 shows where some of 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.070 the some of the assigned locations are for monument signs 00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:08.000 to go in on the 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.059 property. So again we're just extending sign area two 00:40:11.059 --> 00:40:12.380 further to the south to 00:40:12.380 --> 00:40:17.320 include the rest of the rr2 area if this rezoning is 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:18.320 approved. 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.969 Notification was sent about this because it is an all-en 00:40:22.969 --> 00:40:24.480 compassing overlay 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.639 district we noticed 200 and 500 feet from the boundaries of 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.360 the entire overlay to 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:33.010 make sure everyone was aware. We did receive two responses 00:40:33.010 --> 00:40:33.719 those were 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.099 provided to you just before this meeting one was in 00:40:37.099 --> 00:40:39.719 opposition that parcel is a 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.039 single-family residence that's located up here on the north 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:43.960 side and then we 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:48.389 received one response in favor from one of the owners 00:40:48.389 --> 00:40:50.079 within the overlay. 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:56.429 Commissioner back. Thank you chair. I know that residential 00:40:56.429 --> 00:40:57.679 areas don't need a lot 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.449 of signage obviously they're not advertising but when you 00:41:00.449 --> 00:41:01.719 've got apartments that will 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:06.079 need to designate themselves I didn't see that that area 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.800 had been set aside for 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.639 signage standards so what's gonna work over there? I would 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.880 have to go I can read 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.929 the standards that were developed for but I believe they 00:41:15.929 --> 00:41:16.719 addressed all of that 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.489 within the rezoning they did last year for the multifamily 00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:21.079 component. Okay okay 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.420 and there was one thing that was a little confusing to me 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:26.159 on heights of signs on 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.539 the along the service road of I-35 where there was it 00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:32.480 pointed out one time there 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.250 was a maximum of 75 feet like that was on page 9 of that 00:41:37.250 --> 00:41:38.960 criteria and then the 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:44.719 very next page it says primary pylon signs have allowable 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:45.800 height of 40 feet 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.679 so why the difference? I would have to pull that language I 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:51.920 don't have it up 00:41:51.920 --> 00:42:00.150 here in front of me but I can I can look into that and okay 00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:00.199 all right 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.769 all right so in summary we are recommending approval of 00:42:04.769 --> 00:42:05.840 both aspects of 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.940 the request both the rezoning of the 12 acres and the sign 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:09.880 standards being 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.320 applied to the entire 22 acres because the request is 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.639 compatible with the 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.460 existing development pattern and it is consistent with the 00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:18.760 Denton plan 2030 00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.800 that designates this entire area as a regional center for 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:22.559 shopping and 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.780 entertainment so can answer any other questions if you have 00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:28.320 them. 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:36.179 Okay thank you. Mr. Sanchez. I was curious okay you had the 00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:37.280 vegetation when you 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.429 were showing us one of the when we saw the one of the Ch 00:42:39.429 --> 00:42:40.280 eddar's and we're 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:47.440 talking about vegetation along the I-35? Yes sir. Okay and 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:48.519 so the signage is 00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:52.019 going to be right on the frontage road right? Is that 00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:53.480 because I know there's a 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.420 concern what about being able to signage? Yes. So that was 00:42:57.420 --> 00:42:59.440 my concern. Yes this exhibit 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.000 shows the so some of the changes that were made here with 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:03.860 you know the 00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:06.630 placement of the signs once some of these parcels developed 00:43:06.630 --> 00:43:07.239 they determined 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.010 the exact locations they wanted the signs and so they're 00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:10.679 taking off some of 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.909 the pieces that are no longer necessary but each of these 00:43:14.909 --> 00:43:16.239 will be an established 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.360 sign location that advertising for the entire area so each 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.000 tenant will have an 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.769 opportunity for signage there on one of the multi-tenant 00:43:24.769 --> 00:43:25.679 signs or monument 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:31.019 signs as well as on their own building. These are just the 00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:32.440 locations of some of 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:40.349 the predetermined signs that they would be putting in. Any 00:43:40.349 --> 00:43:43.760 other questions for 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:50.340 Haley on this item? Okay it looks like our next item C is 00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:51.599 being postponed but 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.800 we need to open this item again ask for a motion okay and 00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.400 then continue it. 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:08.880 Date certain 25th. Okay all right. Seeing no one else and 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:09.480 getting through our 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:16.070 agenda I will close our work session at 548 and we will 00:44:16.070 --> 00:44:17.800 reconvene in council 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:22.119 chambers at 630. Thank you. 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.119 , thank you. 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:39.880 a motion. Yes sir. 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.269 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 00:45:49.269 --> 00:45:50.239 Zoning Commission 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:55.300 meeting for October the 11th 2017. This meeting has been du 00:45:55.300 --> 00:45:56.400 ly posted and we do 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.679 have a quorum present and I will call us to order at 630 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.199 and our first order of 00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.429 business will be to stand and give the pledge to the US and 00:46:06.429 --> 00:46:07.679 the Texas flag. 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:22.579 One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice 00:46:22.579 --> 00:46:23.760 for all. 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:29.639 On the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the Texas one 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:35.199 state under God one indivisible. 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.269 Our next order of business will be the consent agenda and 00:46:46.269 --> 00:46:47.199 the chair would 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.000 entertain a motion. Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair. I 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:51.800 'll motion to accept 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.199 the consent agenda as written. Okay motion to approve. 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.960 Commissioner back. 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.800 Second. Okay we have a first and a second for approval. Any 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.719 discussion? Seeing none 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:24.000 we'll call for a vote on the board. Motion carries. You hit 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.280 the wrong button. 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.889 You'll take care of it okay. So I'll announce that the 00:47:29.889 --> 00:47:30.880 motion is going to 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.679 carry six to zero with the correction for Commissioner San 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.599 chez. That will move 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:41.070 us to our items for individual consideration and I will 00:47:41.070 --> 00:47:42.199 call on Haley 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.119 for presentation. 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:03.409 Good evening so this is item SP 1740 it's a site plan for 00:48:03.409 --> 00:48:04.320 Cheddar's at 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.769 Razor Ranch. The request is to consider approval of a site 00:48:08.769 --> 00:48:09.960 plan for a Cheddar's 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.000 restaurant to be constructed within the Razor Ranch South R 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.599 R2 district to be 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.090 located on lot 25 block A of the Razor Ranch town center 00:48:18.090 --> 00:48:20.460 addition. The location 00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:24.239 is outlined here in yellow it's an approximately 1.67 acre 00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:25.559 site it's 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.650 located on the east side of the I-35 service road it's 00:48:28.650 --> 00:48:30.119 about 940 feet south 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.170 of West University Drive. Just to give you an idea of the 00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:36.440 zoning in the area there's 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.219 base zoning applied to Razor Ranch consistent with the 00:48:39.219 --> 00:48:40.360 standard districts 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:44.320 in the DDC there is an overlay that covers the entire 410 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:45.159 acres of the 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.909 Razor Ranch district and that is shown in more detail here 00:48:48.909 --> 00:48:50.119 on the right side in 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.550 the zoning map for the overlay so the parcel outlined in 00:48:53.550 --> 00:48:54.679 red is within the 00:48:54.679 --> 00:49:01.429 South RR2 district. Site plans for Razor Ranch properties 00:49:01.429 --> 00:49:02.159 are required to come 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.599 before P&Z for approval and within the South RR2 district 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:07.400 the site plans are 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.760 subject to the architectural landscaping and elevation 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:11.639 requirements 00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.869 outlined in exhibit C1 and D1 of the overlay. All the site 00:49:15.869 --> 00:49:17.400 plans include a 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.710 site plan, a landscape plan, and building elevations to 00:49:20.710 --> 00:49:23.119 come before you. So looking 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.190 in detail at the site plan you can see here it is going to 00:49:27.190 --> 00:49:29.159 be a 7570 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.280 square foot restaurant it requires a minimum of 75 parking 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:34.079 spaces they're 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:38.639 providing 125 on the lot and the access to the site will be 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:39.920 from the existing 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.139 well they will be existing at the time they're currently 00:49:42.139 --> 00:49:43.000 under construction 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.380 internal drives within the overlay and there were some 00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:47.539 questions at work 00:49:47.539 --> 00:49:53.349 session about signs on the property there will be signs 00:49:53.349 --> 00:49:55.340 located along the 00:49:55.340 --> 00:49:58.110 frontage of the property they're shown here on the site 00:49:58.110 --> 00:49:59.119 plan and one other 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.559 element well I'll point it out when we get to one of the 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:03.320 later plans there are 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:07.630 bike racks included at the property as well. So looking at 00:50:07.630 --> 00:50:09.480 the landscape plan 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.719 all the areas in green are the site landscaping overall 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:13.920 they're providing 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:19.920 11.4% landscaping 31.8% tree canopy and that is in excess 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:20.199 of the 00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:25.360 required 10% and 20% of landscaping and tree canopy. 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.079 Looking in more detail at 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.849 the landscaping around the building and the plaza area that 00:50:30.849 --> 00:50:31.679 will be provided 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.920 they'll have just over 1200 square feet of plaza that will 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.599 include benches there 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.059 will be two located here at the front one over to the side 00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:39.840 of the building 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.579 plaza trees will be provided in this outdoor landscaped 00:50:43.579 --> 00:50:44.800 area and they will 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.570 have planters at the front of the building and the other 00:50:47.570 --> 00:50:48.320 feature I wanted 00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.360 to point out this block here is not labeled but that is to 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.079 be a bike rack 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:56.769 at the front of the restaurant. Question for you on that H 00:50:56.769 --> 00:50:58.239 aley is the bike rack 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.289 required or is that voluntary? The bike racks are 00:51:01.289 --> 00:51:02.719 encouraged but they are not 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.159 required. Okay so they have the option to put them in if 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:05.840 they like but they're 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.039 not a requirement. Yes. Do they get any credit for doing 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.800 them? Not that I'm aware of but 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.389 it's encouraged for the multimodal transportation 00:51:13.389 --> 00:51:14.360 throughout the Razor Ranch 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:20.400 area. Thank you. Looking at the building elevations this is 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:21.400 the west and north 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:23.550 side of the building so the one on top that will be the 00:51:23.550 --> 00:51:25.159 side facing the freeway 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:27.929 so you can see a sign on the front of the building all of 00:51:27.929 --> 00:51:29.119 their materials and 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.409 colors are within the permitted materials and a color 00:51:32.409 --> 00:51:33.400 palette for the 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.960 overlay district. This would be the north elevation and 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:39.880 then here we have the east 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.989 side this would be what faces that internal drive aisle and 00:51:42.989 --> 00:51:43.840 then the south 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:49.969 elevation. There are criteria for approval outlined in the 00:51:49.969 --> 00:51:50.480 Razor Ranch 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.679 overlay district. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. Go 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:55.280 back to the east and west 00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.530 elevations. The west elevation that faces I-35 right? Yes 00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:02.119 sir. That looks like an 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.880 entrance there. Is that gonna be an entrance side? Yes sir 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:06.679 this would be the 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.960 primary front entrance. That seems odd considering that you 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:12.320 can't get to it but from the 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.650 east side so they're gonna have to walk around from the 00:52:14.650 --> 00:52:15.519 parking is that my 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.320 understanding? Yeah if we look at the plan here so the 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:19.639 might be shown better 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.679 on this one so the entrances to the side there would be one 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:23.719 here on the north and 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:27.730 one to the south off of the internal drive. Okay gotcha. 00:52:27.730 --> 00:52:31.320 Yeah parking provided on the side. Thank you. 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:37.550 Okay so the criteria for approval of the site plan would be 00:52:37.550 --> 00:52:38.480 compliance with 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.389 the concept and schematic plan that were approved by City 00:52:41.389 --> 00:52:42.920 Council ensuring that 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.960 the site is compatible with the arrangement of buildings 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:46.639 and land uses 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.409 in the area wouldn't adversely affect adjoining 00:52:49.409 --> 00:52:50.400 neighborhoods or properties. 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.800 The site has adequate and safe circulation for vehicular 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:54.599 traffic and 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.829 that the plan complies with any other sections of the 00:52:56.829 --> 00:52:57.840 overlay district and 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.090 staff determined through our review of the site plan that 00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:00.880 it met these criteria 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.039 to present to you. And staff is recommending approval of 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:06.519 the site plan 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.590 request because it is compliant with all of the 00:53:08.590 --> 00:53:10.000 requirements of the razor range 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.599 overlay district as well as the criteria for approval. Okay 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:14.920 one question for you so far. 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:18.199 Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. Commissioner Ellis 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:19.559 asked about mobility 00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:23.880 in the work session. One thing I thought of later item we 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:24.519 were looking at is the 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.559 convention center is built and it looks like it's gonna be 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:28.719 pretty much finished 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:32.079 and done pretty soon and I'm guessing since this is the 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:32.960 first plat along that 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.730 area that's getting done this will be done before other 00:53:35.730 --> 00:53:36.400 restaurants. Will there 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.739 be mobility connection between the two like if someone who 00:53:38.739 --> 00:53:39.480 's staying at the 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.880 embassy suites there wants to walk to the Cheddars will 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:42.880 that be finished out 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.170 with the drive-in and have the sidewalks and everything 00:53:46.170 --> 00:53:47.280 like that to the Cheddars 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.210 from the convention center? Yes I don't have a map with me 00:53:51.210 --> 00:53:52.039 that would show it 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.920 but there there is sidewalk connectivity plan throughout 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:55.679 and the 00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.980 these roads here will be completed by the time of this so 00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:00.800 there would be it 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.760 will be done by the time yeah there are sidewalks around 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:03.519 the site that would 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.900 connect across walks to get across the street to that. But 00:54:05.900 --> 00:54:06.880 all the way down to the 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.809 to the convention center even because that's this is kind 00:54:08.809 --> 00:54:09.360 of a little bit 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.130 further north along 35 from the convention center. Yes the 00:54:12.130 --> 00:54:13.639 sidewalks will be kind of 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.920 piecemeal as each development comes in they will provide 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:16.800 the sidewalks on their 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.190 frontage but in general the roads and the overall mobility 00:54:21.190 --> 00:54:21.719 will be will be 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.559 available at that time. 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.639 Any other questions for Haley? 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.840 Okay thank you. And the applicant is here if there were any 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:37.599 questions for him as 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:42.550 well. This is a individual consideration item so it's not a 00:54:42.550 --> 00:54:43.519 public hearing and 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.289 if the applicant would like to speak you're welcome to and 00:54:46.289 --> 00:54:48.320 okay not thank you. 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:53.679 With that the chair will open the floor for discussion or a 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:54.440 motion. 00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.420 Commissioner back. I move to approve. Okay. Commissioner 00:54:59.420 --> 00:55:02.039 Smith. I second that motion. 00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:05.619 Okay we have a first and a second for approval. Are there 00:55:05.619 --> 00:55:06.840 any conditions on 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:13.300 this? No? Okay. Any other further discussion or questions 00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:15.760 or comments? Okay. 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.599 I'll call for a vote on board. 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:31.880 Motion carries 6-0. Congratulations. This time we'll move 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:33.280 us to our public hearing 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:37.480 section and I will open the public hearing for item A which 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.000 is Z 17 - 0020 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.570 and I will call on Haley for presentation of that item 00:55:44.570 --> 00:55:45.360 tonight. 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:58.719 All right this is case Z 17-20 for the lineman college. The 00:55:58.719 --> 00:55:59.679 request is to hold 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.449 a public hearing and make a recommendation regarding an 00:56:02.449 --> 00:56:02.760 initial 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.090 zoning classification of industrial center general that's 00:56:06.090 --> 00:56:06.960 the ICG district 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.769 for an approximately 14 acre parcel that's located at the 00:56:10.769 --> 00:56:11.880 southeast corner 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.360 of Shelby Lane you see here going east west and Dakota Lane 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:15.960 which is an 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:21.059 adjoining north-south roadway. So a little bit of history 00:56:21.059 --> 00:56:22.000 on the side a 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.780 trade school the lineman college was established on this 00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:26.239 site in early 2010 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:30.070 in that same year this property was part of a citywide 00:56:30.070 --> 00:56:32.599 annexation program and 00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:36.570 when a property is annexed the practice is to put in place 00:56:36.570 --> 00:56:37.599 a placeholder zoning 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.239 designation of RD 5x so it assigns our rule standards to 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:42.079 the property until 00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.690 such time as a proposals brought forth to rezone it to a 00:56:45.690 --> 00:56:47.360 different district. So 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.400 the purpose of this request is to facilitate the expansion 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:50.760 of this 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.199 existing use and to ensure the property corresponds with 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:55.719 the surrounding zoning 00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.159 in the area. So looking at this parcel and what's 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:01.679 immediately adjoining it you 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:05.159 can see the RD 5x is right now kind of an isolated pocket 00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:06.400 everything around it 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.400 is currently ICG district so right now we have some vehicle 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:11.559 repair other 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.300 industrial uses and some gas wells in the immediate 00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:17.320 vicinity. Looking a little 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.360 bit further out you see a continuation of that same pattern 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:21.159 to the northeast 00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.480 there is some ICE district that's industrial center 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.840 employment that's 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.159 currently developed with a temporary industrial use at this 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.800 time and to 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.929 address one of the questions from work session Metro is a 00:57:32.929 --> 00:57:34.480 collector designated 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:38.210 on the mobility plan and that will connect westward between 00:57:38.210 --> 00:57:39.280 Shelby Lane and 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:47.360 West Park Boulevard. So looking at a little bit further out 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:48.280 a view of this 00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:51.920 area and general mobility you can see the I-35 corridor is 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:52.639 in fairly close 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.480 proximity to the property there are a number of primary 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:56.679 arterials in the area 00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.719 running both east-west and north-south and then as I just 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.239 mentioned in the 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.280 future Metro will connect a little bit closer here to 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:04.760 provide further 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:10.519 east-west connectivity. Looking at the future land use for 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:11.920 this property this 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:14.829 property and in general this entire portion of town are 00:58:14.829 --> 00:58:15.719 designated for 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.650 industrial commerce that designation is meant to apply to 00:58:19.650 --> 00:58:20.719 areas where the 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.760 predominant uses are manufacturing warehouse distribution 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:24.760 larger scale 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:29.159 industrial uses. Complementary supporting uses are desired 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:30.199 in the area where it's 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.760 appropriate to provide restaurants child care and things 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.280 like that and all and 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.869 those would be to provide transitions between this district 00:58:36.869 --> 00:58:37.880 and surrounding in 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:41.349 a regional mixed use areas and residential areas. So the IC 00:58:41.349 --> 00:58:42.559 G district 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:46.969 that's requested is consistent with this designation of 00:58:46.969 --> 00:58:49.719 industrial commerce. This 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.489 proposed district is a logical extension of the surrounding 00:58:52.489 --> 00:58:52.639 zoning 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:56.039 pattern we just saw it would ensure that this property as 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:57.199 it expands and 00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.079 continues to develop does so in a way that is compatible 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.119 with the existing 00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.219 uses and existing zoning in the area. Notification was sent 00:59:06.219 --> 00:59:07.719 about this case no 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:11.679 responses have been received date and staff is recommending 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:12.599 approval because 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.369 of the compatibility with surrounding land uses surrounding 00:59:15.369 --> 00:59:15.760 zoning and 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.519 consistency with the Denton plan 2030 and I can address any 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:21.519 questions. 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:28.079 Commissioner Sullivan. Thank you chair. When you zoom in on 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.840 the map it appears 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.280 that there are quite a few telephone poles on the property 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:34.320 where obviously 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:40.079 they train. Are they looking to change the code in order to 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.519 have more another 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:47.530 structure built or is this just to bring the code into line 00:59:47.530 --> 00:59:48.760 with what they're 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.519 actually doing? So I think I mentioned at work session it's 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:53.400 currently considered a 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:56.280 non-conforming use so to do any expansion they would have 00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:56.880 to go to the 00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.030 Zoning Board of Adjustment or they could rezone to a 00:59:59.030 --> 01:00:00.360 district where their use is 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.099 permitted. Trade schools are permitted in ICG at this time 01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:04.880 I believe they have 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.199 several plans for expansions in the future. Right now I 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:08.960 think they're just 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.300 looking at an additional classroom building but I think 01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:12.119 they do have plans 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:17.349 to do further expansion in the future. Okay thank you. Any 01:00:17.349 --> 01:00:19.559 other questions for 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:25.320 Haley? Okay thank you. This is a public hearing if there's 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:25.960 anyone who would like 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.059 to speak on this item please come forward at this time. I 01:00:29.059 --> 01:00:30.320 don't have any 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:36.329 cards at this time to speak on this item. Seeing none I'll 01:00:36.329 --> 01:00:37.480 close the public 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.519 hearing and open the floor for discussion or motion. 01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:42.840 Commissioner Sullivan. 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.679 Make a motion that we approve this. Okay Commissioner Ellis 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:47.920 . Thank you chair I will 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:51.480 second. Okay have a first and a second for approval. Any 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.440 further discussion? 01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.159 Seeing none I'll call for a vote on board. 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.969 Motion carries 6-0. Moves us to our public hearing item B. 01:01:10.969 --> 01:01:13.360 At this time I'm 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:26.559 open the public hearing for Z17-0021 and call on Haley. 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:28.320 Alright good evening 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:32.599 again. So this is case Z1721 it's a rezoning associated 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.400 with Razor Ranch. The 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.920 request is to hold this public hearing and consider a 01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:40.760 request to amend three of 01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.530 the exhibits in the Razor Ranch overlay district exhibits B 01:01:43.530 --> 01:01:46.400 1, B4, and E1. And 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.809 those changes would include a rezoning of approximately 12 01:01:50.809 --> 01:01:51.880 acres from South 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:55.519 Mixed Use District to South RR2 districts and it would also 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:56.280 incorporate a 01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:02.230 total of approximately 22 acres into sign area 2. The Razor 01:02:02.230 --> 01:02:03.960 Ranch overlay is 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.679 included includes 410 acres located on both sides of 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.320 University Drive located 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.480 in between Bonnie Bray on the east side and 35 W on the 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.000 west or sorry 35 on the 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.320 west. The district was originally approved in 2007. The 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:20.440 major components 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.289 of the overlay include zoning restrictions so each sub 01:02:23.289 --> 01:02:24.159 district within 01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:27.610 there has permitted uses and general regulations that apply 01:02:27.610 --> 01:02:29.840 to it. It puts in 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:33.019 place site design criteria for architecture landscaping and 01:02:33.019 --> 01:02:33.760 signage and 01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.530 it also established the site plan process that we saw 01:02:36.530 --> 01:02:38.119 earlier this evening. 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:40.889 So the property in question as I mentioned we have 01:02:40.889 --> 01:02:42.679 approximately 12 acres 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:46.420 that are included in the request to rezone to RR2 and then 01:02:46.420 --> 01:02:47.159 we have a total 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:52.460 of 22 acres that would be folded into sign area 2 with this 01:02:52.460 --> 01:02:54.559 request. A brief 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.599 overview of Razor Ranch there are two major areas the 01:02:57.599 --> 01:02:58.960 marketplace on the north 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.079 and the south campus on the south side of University. 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:03.440 Looking at those a little 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.590 more in detail the marketplace includes the RR2 area where 01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:07.480 we have a lot of 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.849 commercial and restaurant uses. The RR3 area we have some 01:03:10.849 --> 01:03:11.960 bigger stores such as 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:14.730 Walmart and Sam's in that area and then there is a 01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:16.679 residential area that will be 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:21.150 developed in the future. On the south side RR1 is the 01:03:21.150 --> 01:03:22.800 district that surrounds 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.320 the town center. RR2 applies mostly on the perimeter along 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:30.840 380 and 35 and then 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.719 we have the south mixed-use district that applies to pretty 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:34.679 much the remainder 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.460 of the property. Then there are several other smaller parc 01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:39.480 els we have a DME 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:42.710 substation here on the north side along Bonnie Bray, a 01:03:42.710 --> 01:03:43.960 drill pad also on Bonnie 01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.079 Bray and then Cook Children's is already designed and 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:48.039 established as well in that 01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:52.780 area. For the marketplace there are standards in place for 01:03:52.780 --> 01:03:54.480 architecture for 01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.250 the commercial components. The residential standards have 01:03:57.250 --> 01:03:57.639 not been 01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.940 approved at this point and those will come before you as a 01:04:00.940 --> 01:04:02.000 request when the 01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:06.719 residential area is to be developed. On the south side the 01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:08.440 town center and South 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.480 RR2 district have established standards in place as 01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.840 exhibits C1, D1 and E1. The 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:18.000 south mixed-use area currently does not have standards for 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.079 the majority of the 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.409 uses there. Multi-family standards did come before you last 01:04:22.409 --> 01:04:23.320 year and those have 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:26.090 been folded into the overlay but there are currently just 01:04:26.090 --> 01:04:28.400 placeholders C2, D2 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:31.440 and E2 that will be the standards for the commercial and 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:32.559 other uses within the 01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:35.010 south mixed-use district and those will be established at 01:04:35.010 --> 01:04:35.760 some point in the 01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:39.059 future and brought before you as well. So the first 01:04:39.059 --> 01:04:40.960 component of this request is 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.150 to amend exhibit B1, it's the zoning and concept plan for 01:04:45.150 --> 01:04:46.239 it and you can see here 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.150 the area in red is the difference. So currently it's within 01:04:49.150 --> 01:04:50.199 that south mixed-use 01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:52.969 district that doesn't have standards in place. It would 01:04:52.969 --> 01:04:55.280 currently permit hotel 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.880 commercial uses office and multi-family. The request is to 01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:00.599 change it to the south 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.960 RR2 district which would take out the residential component 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:04.679 and just allow 01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:08.739 commercial development on the property. The second 01:05:08.739 --> 01:05:10.280 component to this would be 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.210 amending exhibit B4 which shows the zoning on the property. 01:05:14.210 --> 01:05:15.719 Same area we're 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.940 just extending this boundary for the RR2 over to the east 01:05:18.940 --> 01:05:20.400 to include this 12 acre 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.860 parcel. Comparison of what would be allowed there in terms 01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:25.719 of general 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.460 regulations they are very similar same lot coverage 01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:31.320 landscape area requirements 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.239 building heights are roughly the same. The key difference 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:35.000 is really that 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:40.800 residential component and as I mentioned before sign 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:41.559 architecture and 01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.369 landscape standards haven't been developed for commercial 01:05:44.369 --> 01:05:45.960 uses within the 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.269 south mixed-use district at this time. Those will be 01:05:48.269 --> 01:05:49.360 created and inserted in 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.760 the overlay later. Whereas south RR2 has existing standards 01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:53.800 that we saw being 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:58.400 applied to Chetters. Here's an example of some buildings 01:05:58.400 --> 01:05:59.159 that have been approved 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.719 in the south RR2 area to show you what those standards the 01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:03.559 end result of those 01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:07.489 would be. So you can see here applied to restaurants, large 01:06:07.489 --> 01:06:08.960 box stores, a strip 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:12.420 center with multiple uses and then more recently we had the 01:06:12.420 --> 01:06:13.599 Alamo draft house and 01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:18.320 rooms to go that were approved last year. So just to 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.360 summarize all of that 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.130 exhibits B1 and B4 this change would have two major 01:06:23.130 --> 01:06:24.559 implications. It would 01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.739 remove residential uses from the parcel that would strictly 01:06:27.739 --> 01:06:28.900 be multifamily. The 01:06:28.900 --> 01:06:31.119 same commercial uses are generally permitted in both 01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:32.119 districts though so no 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.000 change there and it would change the design standards that 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:36.119 apply. It would put 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.960 the existing RR2 standards in place on the property. In 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.360 staff's analysis of this 01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.789 we determined residential not likely to be ideal on that 01:06:44.789 --> 01:06:46.079 property. Close 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:50.170 proximity to I-35 surrounded by commercial development on 01:06:50.170 --> 01:06:52.119 all sides and 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.880 looking just prospecting to the future we don't anticipate 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:57.039 that the commercial 01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:59.230 standards in the south mixed-use will be substantially 01:06:59.230 --> 01:07:00.199 different from what we 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.039 already have in place in the RR2. So the goal is to create 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:03.840 one cohesive 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.010 development. So it's not likely that if it developed under 01:07:07.010 --> 01:07:08.119 south mixed-use we 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:12.840 would see much difference between the end result. The other 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:14.320 major component of 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.090 this request and the third individual exhibit to be amended 01:07:17.090 --> 01:07:18.159 would be appendix 01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:21.719 one of exhibit E. So you can see here sign area two being 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:22.400 extended to the 01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:25.829 south and east to include the parcel that we just discussed 01:07:25.829 --> 01:07:26.639 as well as the 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:30.960 parcel where rooms to go is currently under construction. 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.239 The second exhibit 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.980 within the sign standards similar thing we're just seeing 01:07:36.980 --> 01:07:37.960 an extension of 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:42.369 sign area two and there are some changes being made to 01:07:42.369 --> 01:07:43.239 where signs where some of 01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:46.449 the larger signs are being proposed. There was a question 01:07:46.449 --> 01:07:47.360 at work session 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:49.690 about a distinction between the height of signs allowed 01:07:49.690 --> 01:07:51.519 there. That difference is 01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:53.809 because it's blurry on here you might be able to see it 01:07:53.809 --> 01:07:54.880 better in your backup. 01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:58.809 There are H1 signs and H2 signs so those are different 01:07:58.809 --> 01:08:00.760 types of pylons. H1 signs 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.639 are allowed to be taller than H2 signs so that's why some 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:04.280 of them have a 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:07.320 standard of 75 feet and some have 45 feet. So it's two 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:08.320 different types of 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:12.679 signs being allowed. If I may. Commissioner Becker. Okay so 01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:13.880 and I think 01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:18.399 Commissioner Smith indicated too that one side would be 01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:19.800 more specifically for 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:23.569 a particular business where the other sign might be for. 01:08:23.569 --> 01:08:24.640 Certainly yeah there 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.590 are differences in what would be permitted with those two 01:08:26.590 --> 01:08:27.159 types but that 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.569 is the distinction in height. There's two different types 01:08:29.569 --> 01:08:30.439 of pylon signs that 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:36.600 would be permitted. Great great thanks Aiden. All right 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:37.840 notification was sent 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.659 about this case as of the time of this meeting we had 01:08:40.659 --> 01:08:42.119 received two responses. 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.399 One in opposition from a residence here on the north side 01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:46.359 of the overlay and 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.199 then one in favor from one of the co-owners of the 01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:50.279 development and 01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.880 immediately before this I believe we received a third 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:55.560 response that was given 01:08:55.560 --> 01:09:01.880 to Chair Strange. Staff is recommending approval of both 01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:02.560 aspects of this 01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.649 request the zoning change and the sign area change because 01:09:05.649 --> 01:09:06.560 it is compatible 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:08.789 with the surrounding development and it's consistent with 01:09:08.789 --> 01:09:09.319 the goals and 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.420 objectives both for the overlay and for the Denton plan 01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:14.300 2030 for this area. Can 01:09:14.300 --> 01:09:20.149 try to answer any questions. Commissioner Smith. Thank you 01:09:20.149 --> 01:09:20.960 Chair. 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:25.619 Haley in your opinion the use of if this wasn't rezoned and 01:09:25.619 --> 01:09:26.479 there was a 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.880 multifamily development that did come in there was built do 01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.119 you feel that 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.909 mobility would be the exact same once panhandles developed 01:09:35.909 --> 01:09:36.880 to be the exact 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.680 same whether it is a multifamily use or goes commercial use 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:41.600 . I think the end 01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.789 result would be very similar because the same commercial 01:09:44.789 --> 01:09:46.079 use could develop under 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.010 the existing zoning. It's such a small parcel multifamily 01:09:49.010 --> 01:09:50.000 wouldn't have a whole 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.770 lot of density there but the same intensive commercial uses 01:09:52.770 --> 01:09:53.479 would already 01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.279 be permitted. So I'm gonna ask that in regards to one of 01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:56.920 the responses thank 01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:03.239 you. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair I don't really 01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:04.560 have a question just 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.689 wanted to say great presentation you condensed a lot of 01:10:06.689 --> 01:10:07.680 information there's a 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:10.720 lot going on here you presented it really well thank you 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:14.399 very much. Any 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:20.159 other questions for Haley? Okay thank you this is a public 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:21.479 hearing so anyone who 01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.039 would like to speak on this item please come forward at 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:25.720 this time while I'm 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:30.779 waiting I've got three letters I've got one from Andrew Os 01:10:30.779 --> 01:10:32.600 borne in favor request 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:38.920 I've got one from Joe Revis opposed to request and I have 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.359 one from Kenan 01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.090 Johnson opposed to request and those are all the comments 01:10:45.090 --> 01:10:46.479 that we have to enter 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.800 into the record at this time. Again this is a public 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:49.920 hearing anyone who would like 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:54.079 to speak on this item please come forward at this time. 01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.340 Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair I would like to speak to 01:10:58.340 --> 01:10:59.420 the applicant if I 01:10:59.420 --> 01:11:08.069 may. I think you have to state your name and address if you 01:11:08.069 --> 01:11:10.220 would. Good evening my 01:11:10.220 --> 01:11:13.300 name is Scott Wagner with Red Development representing DB 01:11:13.300 --> 01:11:15.720 Denton 2 the owner and 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.890 developer of Razor Ranch Town Center I live and work in 01:11:19.890 --> 01:11:22.359 Phoenix Arizona. Thanks 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:26.319 Scott listen Mike I do have a little bit of concern of this 01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:27.520 zone change request 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.449 just because I'm a pretty strong advocate for keeping all 01:11:30.449 --> 01:11:31.279 the land we can 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:38.300 for residential and losing any for this particular item I 01:11:38.300 --> 01:11:39.680 don't know it seems 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:42.569 like the land value for residential has greater value to 01:11:42.569 --> 01:11:43.720 the city but let me ask 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:49.840 you this on to the north of this development we have North 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:50.439 Lake Spark 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:54.210 which has a pretty vast recreation center and just to the 01:11:54.210 --> 01:11:55.079 south both of 01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.850 them are within a probably a couple of miles of this 01:11:57.850 --> 01:11:58.880 development have these 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:02.100 recreation centers let me ask this recreation center that 01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:03.039 you're gonna be 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:05.920 built can you tell us what all it entails is there gonna be 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:06.439 like indoor 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:11.890 pool is this gonna be more of an exercise type venue or is 01:12:11.890 --> 01:12:13.039 it gonna be 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.539 something like main event where people come and have fun I 01:12:16.539 --> 01:12:18.640 think it it'll be 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:22.789 more like the indoor main event Dave and Buster's okay type 01:12:22.789 --> 01:12:24.000 of an event so it's 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:27.930 a 40,000 square foot building the site plan is submitted to 01:12:27.930 --> 01:12:31.039 the city and in 01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:34.279 process okay so you're not gonna be doing anything that 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:35.399 would compete with 01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:40.880 the junior North Lakes Park or no no okay well that helps a 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:41.239 lot that 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:46.680 clarifies a lot for me thank you any other questions for 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:50.399 the applicant thank 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:55.460 you thank you this is a public hearing anyone who would 01:12:55.460 --> 01:12:56.039 like to speak on this 01:12:56.039 --> 01:13:01.479 item please come forward at this time did you fill out one 01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:03.319 of these with one 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.850 of these your cards or you have another please come forward 01:13:05.850 --> 01:13:06.680 and give your name 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:09.720 and address and then before you leave please fill out a 01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:11.000 card for us thank you 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:18.489 Jimmy Rogers CS Rogers properties we own 916 North Bonnie 01:13:18.489 --> 01:13:20.720 Bray with all of this 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:27.239 development Bonnie Bray is already tons over crowded you're 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:29.380 gonna have to the 01:13:29.380 --> 01:13:37.739 south scripture that's just a two-lane road what is what's 01:13:37.739 --> 01:13:39.840 going on with all of 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:45.640 that because right now supposedly they're going to widen 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:48.079 Bonnie Bray or 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:56.439 the city is but now we've got all this commercial work 01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:58.520 coming in that's going 01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:04.359 to add more traffic there's basically two ways in two ways 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:06.159 out what are y'all's 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:11.710 thoughts on all of that well I don't know if we have Jim 01:14:11.710 --> 01:14:14.039 Jinx here or Haley 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.640 would like to address that I'd prefer staff to give the 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:19.560 official response for 01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:24.239 them myself yes sir and I don't know of the specific 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:25.880 timeline or plans for Bonnie 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.329 Bray the ultimate intent is for it to be a secondary arter 01:14:28.329 --> 01:14:29.199 ial that would be a 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:33.060 four-lane roadway with 110 feet of right of way but I don't 01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:33.880 know the time frame 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:38.159 on that and Jim isn't with us right now 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:48.140 and this is way off of what the topic is but I think it 01:14:48.140 --> 01:14:49.399 needs to be brought to 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:53.560 the attention that while all this construction is going on 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:54.439 it's getting 01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:58.630 harder and harder and harder for the landowners to get to 01:14:58.630 --> 01:15:00.520 their property and 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:08.149 again the city of Denton is getting their cart before their 01:15:08.149 --> 01:15:11.439 horse this razor 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:15.760 ranch property has been bought and sold three times that I 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.039 know of and rezoned I 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:23.640 don't know how many times you know I'm glad that we're 01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:26.720 getting it but in turn 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:31.319 we have to look at the existing structures that we have 01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:32.319 there what it's 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:39.739 doing to all of us that live there that own the property I 01:15:39.739 --> 01:15:40.680 appreciate your 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.420 comments and those are things that I think are probably 01:15:44.420 --> 01:15:45.880 addressed at us the 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:48.689 staff traffic department things those are really not things 01:15:48.689 --> 01:15:49.439 that comes before 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:52.699 our Commission so I'm sorry not to be able to give you an 01:15:52.699 --> 01:15:53.920 answer that you'd 01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:56.520 like on that 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:02.119 Commissioner Smith thank you chair just in regards to your 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:02.920 comments one thank 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.960 you for coming out so we need more many more citizens to 01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:07.079 come out and speak up 01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:10.520 whenever they see something about in their community that's 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.000 going on one 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.520 thing's a comment second one's a question common wise this 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:16.319 this is just 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.090 the zoning process we will get to the plotting process of 01:16:19.090 --> 01:16:19.720 course and if we 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:21.930 feel like as commissioners and especially after hearing you 01:16:21.930 --> 01:16:22.359 speak we'll 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:24.430 probably all still be here on the Commission when it comes 01:16:24.430 --> 01:16:25.000 to the actual 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.840 national site plan process and approving of that if we feel 01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:30.319 like Bonnie Bray and 01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:33.750 scripture aren't in the plans to be expanded to a custom 01:16:33.750 --> 01:16:35.520 the 40,000 square 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.880 foot Dave and Buster's or something like that coming in 01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:39.279 then we're gonna speak up 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:42.319 and say something about it so at the point we're at now it 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:42.840 doesn't seem 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:46.760 nearly as important but in regards to one of the comments 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:48.199 you made if this is 01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:50.159 a multifamily site that was being built there because that 01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:51.159 's what's essentially 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:53.930 what would be used if we didn't rezone it would it make a 01:16:53.930 --> 01:16:55.039 difference to you 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:57.789 would I mean would you still say that the street needs to 01:16:57.789 --> 01:16:58.720 be expanded even if 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.000 we were to be building an apartment complex there instead 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:01.880 if we're going to 01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:04.649 get into question-answer we'll need to come back up to the 01:17:04.649 --> 01:17:07.159 mine is correct okay 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.159 all right thank you 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:23.869 my personal opinion is on your zoning you've got people 01:17:23.869 --> 01:17:25.640 that are coming in 01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:31.409 purchasing property from this company which is good for 01:17:31.409 --> 01:17:34.640 them the zone use to 01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:42.359 me anything along 35 should be commercial or the the retail 01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:43.640 whatever are 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:51.100 2d2 whatever y'all call it I understand all of that I'm 01:17:51.100 --> 01:17:52.640 more worried about 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:58.539 what's happening on the east side because it's changed as 01:17:58.539 --> 01:18:00.199 many times as 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:05.399 the owners every time there's a new owner there's new plans 01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:06.920 I've got to look 01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:14.239 out for my property that's all you know that's why I'm here 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:15.399 because I got the 01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:22.020 letter and I always come to thank you whether I speak or 01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:23.279 not okay thank you 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.479 for your comments Commissioner Sullivan yes I would like to 01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:27.560 say to address your 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:31.340 concerns about the traffic I can assure you in work 01:18:31.340 --> 01:18:33.319 sessions traffic is always 01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:37.109 an issue we had questions today about traffic and how the 01:18:37.109 --> 01:18:37.680 roads are going to 01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:40.479 be done so you know I just want to let you know that we are 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:41.800 looking out for you 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.970 because we do believe that people live around need to know 01:18:45.970 --> 01:18:47.239 what the traffic 01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:50.010 situation is going to be and how we're going to improve it 01:18:50.010 --> 01:18:50.680 and not make it 01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:53.739 worse so I just want to let you know we do talk about those 01:18:53.739 --> 01:18:54.920 things just maybe not 01:18:54.920 --> 01:19:00.350 here a lot of times Commissioner Beck thank you chair mr. 01:19:00.350 --> 01:19:01.439 Rogers I'd like to 01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:04.640 echo Commissioner Smith's sentiments for coming and 01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.640 speaking out we do appreciate 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.609 that I would ask staff that is here to Ron and Haley is 01:19:10.609 --> 01:19:12.079 there a name or number 01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.970 you can give mr. Rogers that could probably better answer 01:19:14.970 --> 01:19:15.880 his question to 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:23.560 somebody who handles the future of the streets would that 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:27.000 be Jim Jenks this time 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:35.920 pre town yes sir there is a traffic engineer for the city 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:37.399 but I would start 01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:40.229 that request with Jim and he can can work that up would you 01:19:40.229 --> 01:19:40.720 be able to give 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:43.949 him the name and Jim's name and yes I can get that contact 01:19:43.949 --> 01:19:46.119 information for him great thank you 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:57.819 okay any other questions staff general public I think I was 01:19:57.819 --> 01:19:59.199 getting ready to 01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:02.329 close the public hearing so is there anyone else who would 01:20:02.329 --> 01:20:03.239 like to speak on 01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:08.300 this item at this time seeing none I will close the public 01:20:08.300 --> 01:20:09.479 hearing and open 01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:15.359 the floor for our motion or discussion Commissioner Smith 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:16.720 thank you chair a 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:22.920 motion to accept okay Commissioner Sullivan okay we have a 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:23.840 motion for 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.869 approval and a second any further discussion or comment I 01:20:30.869 --> 01:20:33.640 'll make a quick 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:35.729 comment and we'll take our vote I know we have a lot of 01:20:35.729 --> 01:20:36.960 discussion and comments 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.180 about traffic it is a complicated issue I think part of the 01:20:41.180 --> 01:20:42.600 thing that we have 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:46.550 to keep in mind is sometimes just because someone comes in 01:20:46.550 --> 01:20:47.279 to build a 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.880 piece of real estate commercial residential on a main 01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:52.039 thoroughfare in 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:54.810 the city it may not always boil down to that it's the 01:20:54.810 --> 01:20:56.079 developers responsibility 01:20:56.079 --> 01:21:00.000 to fix all that it may be some city involvement in some of 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:01.079 that so I think 01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:03.199 we need to keep that in mind as we have some of these 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.159 discussions that it's can 01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:09.560 sometimes be a joint issue that needs to be addressed 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:10.960 rather than a private 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:14.409 property owner has to solve all those problems so with that 01:21:14.409 --> 01:21:15.319 we have a first 01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:20.050 and a second on the floor for approval and I'll call for a 01:21:20.050 --> 01:21:21.560 vote on the board 01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:35.109 the motion is going to carry six to zero and that is going 01:21:35.109 --> 01:21:37.680 to move us to our item 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:41.930 C and we were going to reopen this and ask for a motion to 01:21:41.930 --> 01:21:43.720 continue I actually 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.939 believe it's still open from last time so we're just going 01:21:46.939 --> 01:21:48.079 to continue it for a 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.840 date certain okay thank you for the clarification so this 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.420 item we left the 01:21:53.420 --> 01:21:57.020 public hearing open and we were asking for a motion for 01:21:57.020 --> 01:21:58.359 continuous to date 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.760 certain 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:10.960 Commissioner Smith emotion to postpone okay to which date 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.159 to October 25th okay 01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:17.100 motion to continue to date certain October the 25th 01:22:17.100 --> 01:22:18.319 Commissioner Ellis I 01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:22.920 will second okay we have a first and a second any further 01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.119 discussion seeing 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:28.439 none I'll call for a vote on the board 01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:37.680 the motion carries six to zero that will move us to our 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:41.479 project matrix for this 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:45.010 evening Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I think in light 01:22:45.010 --> 01:22:45.840 of the discussion 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:50.159 that we had today can we get an update on Bonnie Bray and 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:51.560 scripture for a 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:55.119 future mobility maybe a look at that maybe something in 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:56.520 writing packet to us 01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:59.619 an email something like that certainly with with with the 01:22:59.619 --> 01:23:00.600 next packet that goes 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:03.510 out for the 25th will include a summary of that and any 01:23:03.510 --> 01:23:04.920 sort of plans that are 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:08.109 associated with Bonnie with any okay that'd be helpful 01:23:08.109 --> 01:23:08.680 because I'm scripture 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:10.659 I think scripture was also yeah obviously razor ranch is 01:23:10.659 --> 01:23:11.439 going to continue to 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.729 develop and we're going to continue to have similar 01:23:13.729 --> 01:23:15.000 concerns and yeah maybe we 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.050 can get an update so that we can disseminate good 01:23:17.050 --> 01:23:18.119 information out there 01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:26.630 certainly thank you okay with that I'm going to close our 01:23:26.630 --> 01:23:27.479 meeting this evening 01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:32.479 at 10 after 7 thank you everyone