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Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton Planning

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and Zoning Commission

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work session for October the 11th 2017. This meeting has

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been duly posted and we

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do have a quorum present and I will call us to order at 5.

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04 and at this time I

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will turn it over to Richard for clarification of our

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agenda items and if

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you would like to give us an introduction we would love to

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welcome

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you to our Commission. Certainly. Richard Canone, interim

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planning director, here

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for a period of time assisting with some of the reorgan

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ization of the

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department. I currently or currently reside in Florida

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although part-time here

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now but most of my experience has been in Florida although

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I have worked in

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South Texas for a brief period of time. Interestingly

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enough, a little personal

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tidbit, my wife is from South Texas so although I'm not a

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native I am pretty

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close to it as close as I can be but the agenda items this

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evening for

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the most part we have we have two items on consent. One

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item if you

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saw in front of you there is a plat relative to Denton

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Commons.

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Unfortunately the wrong item got uploaded onto the system

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so the plat

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that was provided for you is the correct plat to go with

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that

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application or that agenda item again I'm sorry item 2 to

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be and in addition

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there were two two response forms that we received for the

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rezoning item one

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one in favor one one opposed and those had just come in my

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understanding today

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but but they were they wanted to make sure that those were

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provided for the

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meeting. Okay thank you for that I mean to kind of put you

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on the spot I may

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help a little bit here on our consent does anybody have

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questions on our

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consent agenda on either of those items for staff?

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Commissioner Ellis. Thank you

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Chair. You know what I just for my own understanding I

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wanted an explanation of

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note number seven on consent agenda item A where it says no

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information has been

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provided that the property can be seward conventionally.

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Can anyone just

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tell me what that note means?

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Is that on item A or B? It's on A.

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Yeah so I'll let Jim address that question specifically but

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this is a

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plat for a Duluth Trading Company and Northern Tool site

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and they're also

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preliminary platting a third lot that's just part of the

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parent parcel but I

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will let Jim speak to that specific note. Thank you. Note

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seven there Jim.

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I appreciate you pointing that out that is actually on our

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preliminary plat

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checklist for applicants I don't know how it got on there

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and when but that

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statement is on there like they're supposed to add that as

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a note. It would

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not apply in this case it can be seward conventionally so

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it's it's part of the

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the major reformatting cleanup streamlining effort we're

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doing that's

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that's one thing we need to change along with that. Okay so

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it can be and so that

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that note is not right. Okay very good. Jim just for

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clarification that's more

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like one of your standard note things that you guys

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sometimes require just to

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be put on preliminary plat. Yes yes and like I said I don't

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know how it came to

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be okay but I mean it it should not be a standard note and

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we will fix that

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checklist and okay does run on this one. Thank you for the

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clarification. Any

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other questions on consented agenda items for staff?

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Okay we'll move us to items for individual consideration. H

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aley do you

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have a presentation for us on this? Yes sir.

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All right so we actually have two items on the agenda this

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evening associated

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with Razor Ranch. I prepared a little bit of background

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information and embedded

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that in my zoning presentation that we'll hear a bit later

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but just to give

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you some further information it is part of the overlay

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ordinance that site plans

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for Razor Ranch come before the Planning and Zoning

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Commission for approval

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rather than being approved by staff as other site plans are

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in the community.

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So this request is for approval of a site plan for a Ch

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eddar's restaurant

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that will be constructed within the Razor Ranch South RR2

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district that's

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one of the sub areas within the overlay and it will be

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located on lot 25 block A

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of the Razor Ranch Town Center addition. So I've outlined

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the site here in yellow

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on this aerial just to give you an idea of where it is

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relative to other things

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that you're probably more familiar with within Razor such

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as the new WynnCo and

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then you've got Raising Cane's and some of the other

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restaurants here along

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University. So this site is a little over one and a half

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acres it will be located

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adjoining the I-35 service road on the east side. Again

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just a little bit of

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background so Razor Ranch does have a base zoning but the

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entire 410 acres was

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rolled into an overlay district that has specific

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architectural landscaping and

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sign standards associated with it. So just to give you an

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idea of where the

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property is it's located here in the South RR2 sub district

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within the

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overlay. So as I mentioned before all site plans for Razor

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Ranch come before

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the Planning and Zoning Commission in this case for the

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South RR2 district

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this site plan had to be in compliance with exhibits C1 and

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D1 of the overlay

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ordinance which are the architectural standards and landsca

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ping standards for

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this commercial district. So with each site plan at Razor

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Ranch they're

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required to submit both the site plan a landscape plan and

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building elevations

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for your consideration. All the plans were provided in your

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backup but I'll

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go through just a few details of them here. So this will be

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a 7,570 square foot

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Cheddar's restaurant. The site will have 125 parking spaces

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. Within Razor Ranch

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they're fairly unique they have to comply with our minimum

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standards set

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forth in the DDC but they are allowed to have excess

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parking so long as it's

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landscaped in conformance with the standards for the

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overlay. So this site

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was required a minimum of 75 spaces they're providing 125.

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will not be directly from the service road there are

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private drives that are

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in place to the north and to the east of the property.

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plan they required a minimum of 10% landscaping they have

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11.4% total on the

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site. I've outlined all the landscape areas here in green

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and they will have a

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total of 31.8% tree canopy 20% required for the parking

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lots the site

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overall has more canopy and landscaping than required by

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code. You can see here

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some some of the more important features would be the

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screening along the I-35

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service road they have a number of trees and shrubs and

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grasses planted as

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screening elements there and then landscaping incorporated

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parking lot and around the building itself. One of the

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other kind of unique

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features of the razor range overlay is that they have to

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provide plaza area for

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each building. On this site they're providing a total of

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1202 square feet of

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plaza area in which I've outlined here in red. Each plot or

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the plaza area for

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the site has to contain at least three of seven items that

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are outlined in the

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overlay. In this case they've selected to provide benches,

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plaza trees, and

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planters within the plaza area. So those elements are

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scattered around the site

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here we have benches on two sides of the building an area

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here with trees and

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then planters provided in front of the building.

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Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Just quick question

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those plaza areas they're

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not part of Cheddar's where they'll be served by Cheddar

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employees that's just

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general use plaza. Yes that's just public space provided

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outside the

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buildings. Thank you. Commissioner Smith. Thank you

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Commissioner. The going back to

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the screening on 35 is there a height they've got it or do

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we have this our

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height and the overlaid on that is it tall short short shr

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ub big shrub?

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You'd like the woodlands or is it gonna be like driving

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down 35 there's a bush

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in front of Kroger that kind of thing. So they're providing

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I believe they're a minimum of three feet tall at

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planting for the shrubs and these are considered large

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trees by the code so

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they'll be smaller at planting but are large tree species.

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Okay thank you.

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Haley on those I think there were seven big live oaks are

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we requiring them to

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those in front of their business is that a requirement are

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they choosing to put

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them there? When they have frontage on a public street they

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're required to

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provide screening for the parking lot and part of that is

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one large tree for

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every so many feet of frontage. The placement of those

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doesn't have to be

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you know one for every 45 feet it they just have to be

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there so in this case

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they kind of cluster them in two areas to provide some

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openings in between.

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Well that's where I was going my question is if it's gonna

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screen their

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signage and we're gonna be back here somewhere down the

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road that can't see

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our store from 35 and can remove the tree so but this

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required to go in the

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frontage. Yes they do have to screen the parking lot along

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the frontage. Can't go on the side or

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something like that. No sir and well the sign overlay we'll

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discuss a little bit

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more later but Razor Ranch does have its standard sign

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placement along the

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frontage for monument signs and then each building will

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have its own signs.

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And then final question obviously this looks like it's set

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way back off of the

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service road I assume that's for textile right of way for

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down the road? Yes yeah

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that has required its ultimate right of way there I believe

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. Okay do we have an

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idea how far back that's gonna be approximately? I don't

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know off the top

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of my head. Jim are you I'm sure we could look at the plans

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and find that number

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but I'm not sure if the top of my head. Between now and

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when we get in there just curious if it's 75 or 100

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feet off of the road. Okay. Commissioner Smith. Thank you

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chair. Is there in the in the

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Razor Ranch overlay is there certain shrubs trees or

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anything that's outlined

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as specific use so there's a uniform usage of landscape

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across all? Yes sir.

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Thank you. All right so here's the building elevations that

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were provided

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for the west and north side of the building so you can see

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here that the

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sign that they will have facing the frontage road there and

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all of the

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materials are standard throughout the overlay as well there

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's certain permitted

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materials a certain color palette that has to be adhered to

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and then we have

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the east and south side of the building so this east side

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what's is what will

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be facing internal to the development along that road there

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so you can see

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they have another sign on that side of the building. There

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are criteria for

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approval outlined in the overlay district. It states that

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the P&Z shall approve a

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site plan if it substantially complies with the concept and

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schematic plan

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approved by City Council for the entire overlay. The site

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plan has to provide for

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a compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses that

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will not adversely

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affect adjoining neighborhoods or properties in this case

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all of the

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adjoining property is either I-35 or more of the Razor

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Ranch overlay district

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there's no neighborhoods in this immediate area.

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Commissioner Sullivan.

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Thank you chair. I'm just thinking the setback I'm going

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back to the setback.

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The 75 feet or 100 feet whatever is that to allow the

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traffic on the frontage

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road that we have now they're going to expand that frontage

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road because every

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time I go to that part of town I put on my GPS it's always

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red. So I'm just

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concerned that is there any plan so that there are like

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right turn only off of

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the service road into Razor Ranch you know just in general

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just reduce that

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you know the clog that happens in that area or yes sir so

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let's see this one

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probably shows it best so my understanding is this is a

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right in right

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out here on the service road immediately north of the

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property. Jim would you like

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to address the conditions in future build out in that area

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if you're familiar

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with it? I don't know that Cheddar's in and of itself is

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going to make that much

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difference in the overall traffic pattern but as it starts

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building out

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more and more that existing drive is going to get used more

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and more.

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Yes sir that drive is or let me back up the right of way

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the TexDOT right of way

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that is that setback is associated with that has been

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acquired already recently

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by TexDOT and there will be a future project involving the

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service the service

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road it's not imminent I don't know what the timetable is

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on it but that right

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away is to accommodate that future project. So that's going

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to be within

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where it says limits of construction from that line down to

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where it says

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interstate highway 35 that's the area that TexDOT has to

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expand is that what

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I'm hearing okay okay thank you.

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That answer your question? Yes. Okay no problem. All right

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yeah so the

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criteria for approval compliance with the concept and

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schematic plan no adverse

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impact to surrounding neighborhoods or properties the site

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plan provides for

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adequate and safe circulation of vehicular traffic and the

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plan complies

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with all other sections of this overlay district through

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staff analysis we

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determined that the site plan did meet these criteria and

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with that we are

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recommending of the site plan as it is compliant with all

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of the regulations of

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the Razor Ranch overlay district and meets the criteria for

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approval that are

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outlined in that district and I can answer any other

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questions at this time

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if you have any. Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair. The

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he says the it's

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existing it's an existing entrance already is that what you

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're saying if

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you go back to I was looking at the aerial and what you

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showed there that's

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an existing drive is that that's not currently there and so

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what you said is

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that what you're asking about Steve? Currently under

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construction. Currently under construction. Thank you.

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So will be existing by the time Chatterford is under

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construction. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair.

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Haley talk to me about walkability of this site obviously

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we're gonna have a

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lot of development in and around that I know a movie

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theater going in

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apartments going in talk to me about walkability to this

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restaurant. Okay well

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they do have sidewalks built into the site there will be

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sidewalks along the

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internal drives let me see maybe I don't have a map that

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would show that very

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well but there are sidewalks outlined throughout all the

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roads that will

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traverse the razor ranch overlay or the entire razor ranch

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development no

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sidewalks along the frontage road but there will be

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internal sidewalks

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throughout the development and each piece as it comes in is

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required to

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provide connectivity to those larger sidewalks that will be

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in place along

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the streets. Okay so definitely walkable from these these

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other developing areas

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without walking through the parking lot. Yeah. Okay thank

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you. Thank you Haley

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appreciate that. Thank you. And are you gonna present for

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Julie for public

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hearings? Yes. Okay.

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Are we ready for the first item? Yes. Okay. All right. Okay

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so this is case Z 1720

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for the lineman college. The request is to hold a public

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hearing and make a

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recommendation regarding an initial zoning classification

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of Industrial

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Center General it's our ICG district for approximately 14

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acres of property and

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see outlined here in yellow it's located along Dakota and

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Shelby Lane and in

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general this site is located between the I-35 intersection

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or interchange and the

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airport. So a little bit of history on the site a trade

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school was established

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on the site back in early 2010 in that same year the

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subject property was part

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of a citywide annexation program so when it was annexed the

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placeholder

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designation of RD 5x that's our rural district was applied

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to the site to kind

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of serve as its holding zoning district until an initial

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zoning was requested

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for the property. So the purpose of the applicants requests

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before you tonight is

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to facilitate the expansion of their existing campus and to

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bring their

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zoning into compliance or into correspondence with the

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surrounding

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zoning pattern. So looking at what's in the area you can

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see this the current the

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parcel we're looking at tonight is kind of an isolated

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pocket of RD 5x and a sea

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of industrial zoning surrounding it so surrounding it on

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all sides within 200

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feet we have the ICG district we have some vehicle repair

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uses other

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industrial uses and there are some some gas wells in this

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area as well. If we zoom

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a little bit further out you'll see there's also some ICE

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so that's

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industrial center employment and currently on this parcel

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there's a

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temporary industrial use established. Looking at the

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broader area you can see

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down here where the star is is the subject property so

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primarily industrial

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zoning in this this entire side of town. Looking at

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mobility that you can see

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here in black the I-35 corridor there are several arterial

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streets that are in

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the immediate vicinity of the property as well as the local

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streets such as

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Dakota and Shelby that would serve this property. The

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comprehensive plan for this

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area is industrial commerce that's that district is

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intended to be

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predominantly industrial uses manufacturing wholesale

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distribution

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the more intensive larger scale uses which we see in this

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area already.

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Complementary uses could be commercial such as shopping and

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child care in

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appropriate places to provide transitions between the

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industrial

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zoning and other districts in the area. Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you chair. Well

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we got this map up. Metro which hits the 35 service road it

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didn't come all the

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way through yet are there plans to connect Metro because it

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appears the

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only way to get to this side is to come in from Airport

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Road. Yeah. Yeah I am not

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familiar with any plans to connect at Metro. Jim might be

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looks like he's

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looking at his map. Okay yeah I know at this point I don't

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believe it connects

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Corbin Road to the south also no longer connects so the

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primary point of access

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is Airport Road. All right yeah looks like there are no

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immediate plans for

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Metro according to Jim. Okay thanks. So the requested ICG

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district is directly

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compatible with the industrial commerce future land use

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designation. So in you

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know just to summarize what we've looked at here the ICG

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district would be a

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logical extension of the existing zoning pattern there's IC

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G on all sides of the

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property and it would ensure that this property as it

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expands and continues to

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develop develops in a compatible form with those existing

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land uses.

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Notification was sent at time of this meeting we hadn't

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received any responses

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to that notification and staff is recommending approval

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because of the

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compatibility of this request with the surrounding land

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uses surrounding zoning

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pattern and compatibility with the Denton Plan 2030 and can

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answer any

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questions. Commissioner Sullivan. My understanding is that

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this land was annexed

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and at the time of annexation that's what the code we just

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arbitrarily set at

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is that correct is that way I understand it? Yes yeah RD 5X

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is just kind of a

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placeholder designation that's applied to any newly annexed

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property. So there

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wasn't any rhyme or reason for that designation other than

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if you sort of

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what looked good at the time? It's what's applied to any

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newly annexed property

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until the owner of it decides what zoning designation they

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would wish to

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apply for on their property. Thank you. Commissioner Back.

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Thank you chair. If you

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could go back to the Google aerial image. What's yeah what

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is that that's on there

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what's gonna happen to it once if we approve this zone

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change? This existing

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use? Yes. This is a trade school it's the Lineman College

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so. Oh I thought the

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Lineman College was just north of there and this this was

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the area that they

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were gonna build on. No sir this is currently all owned by

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the Lineman

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College they're seeking to expand the campus. Okay thanks.

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Commissioner Sanchez.

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As far as the road airport road if they expand that are

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they talking about how

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many students they might be utilizing what the population

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might be? I'm not

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familiar with any what their exact model is for how many

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students they would be

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able to hold. I know the expansions they're looking at

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right now are

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intended to come in several phases I think right now they

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're just wanting to

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add a single classroom to the site but the use is currently

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considered

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non-conforming so to expand the existing use their options

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would be to either go

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to ZBA or to choose to rezone their property to a zoning

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designation that

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would permit the use that they're wanting to expand. But I

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'm not familiar

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with the number of students enrolled. I was gonna ask how

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many students are enrolled.

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Any other questions for Haley on this item? Thank you Haley

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and I guess you'll

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go on to item B for us. Yes sir.

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Okay so as I alluded to earlier this zoning case is also

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associated with

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Razor Ranch so I've built in a little more background about

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the overlay into

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this presentation. So this request is to hold public

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hearing and consider a

539
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request to amend several exhibits of the overlay so

540
00:24:30,769 --> 00:24:32,480
exhibits B1 and B4 the

541
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,940
concept plan and the zoning map and also amendments to

542
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:37,480
exhibit E1 which are the

543
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,069
sign standards for the overlay. These changes the changes

544
00:24:42,069 --> 00:24:43,640
in B1 and B4 would

545
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,400
apply to approximately 12.17 acres and the intent there is

546
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,079
to change from the

547
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:53,630
south mixed-use district to the south RR2 district and then

548
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:55,039
that area plus an

549
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,220
additional 10 acres so 22 acres roughly are seeking to be

550
00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:00,359
incorporated into

551
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:07,640
what's known as sign area 2. So in total Razor Ranch is 410

552
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,119
acres located on both

553
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,359
sides of US 380 between Bonnie Bray and I-35. The overlay

554
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,880
was first approved in

555
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,359
2007. There are several major components to the overlay

556
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,119
district. Those

557
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,289
primary concerns being zoning restrictions so for each sub

558
00:25:26,289 --> 00:25:26,920
area of the

559
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,960
overlay there are permitted uses and restrictions assigned

560
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,839
to that district.

561
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,730
That's all outlined on the zoning map that we'll look at in

562
00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:35,240
a minute. There's

563
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,009
also site design criteria as we saw earlier for

564
00:25:38,009 --> 00:25:39,200
architecture landscaping and

565
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,039
signage and one of the other unique features as we saw

566
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:44,359
before is that it

567
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,529
does include a site plan process that requires those site

568
00:25:46,529 --> 00:25:47,720
plans come before P&Z

569
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,680
for approval. And just so you know these are the two parc

570
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,400
els that we're looking

571
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,670
at here so this piece where the cursor is now is the 12.17

572
00:25:58,670 --> 00:25:59,319
acres where the

573
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:03,319
zoning change would apply to and then the entirety outlined

574
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:04,539
in red are the 22

575
00:26:04,539 --> 00:26:09,910
acres that the sign district change corresponds with. So a

576
00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:11,359
little bit of

577
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,130
background there are two major areas to the Razor Ranch

578
00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:15,240
overlay. The north side

579
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,009
is known as the marketplace. I'm sure you're familiar with

580
00:26:18,009 --> 00:26:18,559
that where Walmart

581
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,599
and Sam's are. It's primarily built out and then on the

582
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,240
south side of 380 we have

583
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,640
what's generally called the south campus of Razor Ranch.

584
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,200
Within the marketplace

585
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,140
there are three different zoning designations. We have the

586
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:32,119
RR2 sub area,

587
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,839
the RR3 area, and then on the north side there is a

588
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:37,440
residential area that

589
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,849
doesn't yet have standards developed for it but at some

590
00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:41,720
point will be

591
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:47,640
residential uses. On the south side there are many sub area

592
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,359
sub districts that

593
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,880
apply here. We have the RR1 district which is where that's

594
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,680
the town center

595
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480
where the convention center and several other uses will be.

596
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,839
We have the south

597
00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:01,119
RR2 area that's primarily along this perimeter along 380

598
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,559
and 35. There's the

599
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,849
south mixed-use district that applies kind of to the entire

600
00:27:06,849 --> 00:27:07,720
rest of the south

601
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,480
side and then there are several other smaller pieces. We

602
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,039
have a substation for

603
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,809
DME up here along Bonnie Bray. There is a drill pad

604
00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:18,319
existing along Bonnie Bray as

605
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,369
well and then Cook Children's has a piece of the land here

606
00:27:22,369 --> 00:27:23,119
that they already

607
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,289
have an existing facility on and may someday expand. So

608
00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:28,680
just to run through

609
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,150
this kind of quickly in the marketplace there are three

610
00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:32,119
exhibits in the overlay

611
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,039
that assign architectural landscaping and sign standards

612
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,119
for that area. As I

613
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,519
mentioned the residential components aren't designed yet

614
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:39,240
but once that's

615
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,109
ready to be developed they will come back with a request

616
00:27:42,109 --> 00:27:43,440
for those standards.

617
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:50,089
On the south side we have exhibits C1, D1, and E1 that

618
00:27:50,089 --> 00:27:51,519
control the

619
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,839
architecture landscaping and sign standards for the town

620
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:55,720
center and the

621
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,019
south RR2 area and those were the standards that we saw

622
00:27:59,019 --> 00:27:59,559
applied to

623
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,680
Chetters earlier. For the south mixed-use district the

624
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,640
standards are not yet

625
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,769
approved. Once this portion of the campus is ready to

626
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:09,279
develop those standards will

627
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,079
be developed for each of the uses within the south mixed-

628
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:14,920
use area and those kind

629
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,349
of have placeholders in the overlay as exhibits C2, D2, and

630
00:28:20,349 --> 00:28:24,400
E2. So the first part

631
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,450
of the request is a change to exhibit B1. As you can see

632
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:29,839
here the change would

633
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,950
apply to this 12 acres of property on the south side of the

634
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:35,000
town center and we

635
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,359
would be changing it from south mixed-use to south RR2

636
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:39,720
district which is

637
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,319
what is currently existing along all of 35 and highway 380.

638
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,880
The second part of

639
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,450
the request is to amend exhibit B4 in a similar manner just

640
00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:50,140
to expand the

641
00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:54,799
boundaries of the south RR2 district to incorporate this 12

642
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,720
acres. To give you a

643
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,900
bit of a comparison between these districts they're very

644
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:00,839
similar in terms

645
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,170
of the general regulations that are applied to them in

646
00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:04,119
terms of lot coverage

647
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:09,240
landscape area all of those things maximum building height

648
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,799
does it is

649
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,569
fairly similar between them as well the primary difference

650
00:29:13,569 --> 00:29:14,400
between the two is

651
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,500
the residential uses that are permitted in the mixed-use

652
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,119
district. Commissioner

653
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:23,630
Beck. Thank you Chair. Which raises the question why is

654
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:25,240
there even a zone change

655
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,019
request here because both areas will allow with this

656
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:30,640
applicant seeking which

657
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,720
is an indoor recreational. Yes sir. So is it a fair time to

658
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,640
ask that question now?

659
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,799
Yes sir and I will address that in just a moment but we can

660
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:39,960
certainly

661
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,089
address it now. This table here kind of explains why they

662
00:29:44,089 --> 00:29:45,000
're making this request.

663
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,150
The south mixed-use district currently does not have

664
00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:49,099
standards developed so

665
00:29:49,099 --> 00:29:51,869
a site plan for that property couldn't be accepted and

666
00:29:51,869 --> 00:29:52,680
approved because there

667
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,420
are no standards by which to review it. So their options

668
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:57,880
were to develop these

669
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,819
standards which they may not be ready to do because it

670
00:29:59,819 --> 00:30:00,619
would apply to a much

671
00:30:00,619 --> 00:30:04,210
larger area that they don't have specific plans for yet or

672
00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:05,039
to rezone it

673
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:09,369
to a district that already has established standards. How

674
00:30:09,369 --> 00:30:10,960
far off are we

675
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,730
from getting these standards for the south mixed-use? Is

676
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:14,539
that something so

677
00:30:14,539 --> 00:30:21,079
far down the road that under the existing code? I don't

678
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:21,839
know their specific

679
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:24,609
timeline for that. A piece of it's already been done if you

680
00:30:24,609 --> 00:30:25,079
remember last

681
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,920
year there was a multifamily proposal that came in so they

682
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,440
developed the

683
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,579
multifamily standards for the south mixed-use area but they

684
00:30:31,579 --> 00:30:31,960
're they're not

685
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,950
quite ready for the commercial standards and the single-

686
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:35,180
family standards and all

687
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:38,400
of those pieces yet. I'm not sure of the exact timeline on

688
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,480
that. Okay thanks.

689
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,650
So just to give you an example here's some approved

690
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:46,579
building elevations that

691
00:30:46,579 --> 00:30:49,619
exist in the RR2 area to kind of show you what the design

692
00:30:49,619 --> 00:30:51,240
criteria generate

693
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,609
in this area. So you know restaurants we have rooms to go

694
00:30:54,609 --> 00:30:55,799
which is currently

695
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,119
under construction which I believe you saw last year as

696
00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:59,200
well as the Alamo Draft

697
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,259
House. So we'd be looking at something similar on this

698
00:31:04,259 --> 00:31:07,319
property in question. So

699
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,069
as I've kind of mentioned before the two major differences

700
00:31:11,069 --> 00:31:12,200
if this request is

701
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,970
approved would be the removal of residential uses from this

702
00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:15,279
property and

703
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,720
this change in design standards. Residential property is

704
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,640
not ideal in

705
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,150
this area given the proximity to 35 and the various

706
00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:26,119
compatible commercial uses

707
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,970
that have been developed in the area and design standards

708
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:30,920
have yet to be

709
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,069
developed for this but they're not likely to be very

710
00:31:33,069 --> 00:31:34,039
different between the

711
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,809
south mixed use and the RR2 area in terms of commercial

712
00:31:36,809 --> 00:31:37,799
development. We

713
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:42,529
expect that those will be relatively similar. Moving on

714
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:44,920
then to the the

715
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,690
second major component of the request but the third

716
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:48,619
individual exhibit that

717
00:31:48,619 --> 00:31:54,279
will change. Exhibit E1 of the overlay controls the sign

718
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,119
standards for the

719
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,990
property. There are two appendices to that that map out

720
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:59,200
where the various sign

721
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,009
areas are to determine what standards apply. Because this

722
00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:05,359
parcel that we just

723
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,809
looked at for the rezoning as well as the adjoining parcel

724
00:32:07,809 --> 00:32:08,619
where rooms to go

725
00:32:08,619 --> 00:32:12,119
is under construction those were both previously part of

726
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:12,880
the south mixed use

727
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,920
district or one of them still is that the request is before

728
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,240
you tonight but

729
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,079
because the south mixed use district standards are not yet

730
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,579
developed they haven't been assigned sign standards or to a

731
00:32:22,579 --> 00:32:24,000
sign area. So this

732
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,339
is more of a housekeeping request to extend the existing

733
00:32:27,339 --> 00:32:29,039
sign area to and the

734
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,089
standards that apply to it further south to include the

735
00:32:32,089 --> 00:32:33,599
remainder of the RR2

736
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:40,049
district. So appendix. Commissioner Sullivan. What weight

737
00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:41,039
was given in

738
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:47,539
originally back whenever as to how much residential use was

739
00:32:47,539 --> 00:32:48,960
going to be you know

740
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,259
available in this area. I mean is was there a you know a

741
00:32:54,259 --> 00:32:55,359
large weight given to

742
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,079
the fact that this was going to be residential and

743
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:00,599
commercial and you know

744
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:05,049
kind of a mixed use sort of a thing and was there a certain

745
00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:06,559
requirement for a

746
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,150
certain number of residences to be available here to begin

747
00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:11,119
with and how does

748
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:16,559
this affect any of that? Okay. Yes sir let me back up for a

749
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:17,400
moment get to a map

750
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,799
that will show. Okay so if you look at the entire overlay

751
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:24,720
the primary locations

752
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,079
for residential are going to be in the south mixed use area

753
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:29,319
. So we have the codes

754
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,779
on the map you multi-family single-family are designated

755
00:33:31,779 --> 00:33:33,079
for specific areas within

756
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:37,150
the development and the parcel that we're looking at here

757
00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:38,279
as well as some of

758
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,430
the adjoining properties to the east along Heritage Trail

759
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:42,119
do allow for

760
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,890
multi-family development at this point in time. There's an

761
00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:45,759
approved site plan for

762
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,240
multi-family if I could get the cursor to show up here for

763
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,079
this piece of

764
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:56,539
property but there are maximums as to the amount of

765
00:33:56,539 --> 00:33:58,240
residential development of

766
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,460
each type that can be in the overlay as a whole but in

767
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:03,079
general and planning it

768
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,910
this side was intended to be the town center the walkable

769
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:07,640
commercial area with

770
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,409
a mixture of entertainment restaurants and various things

771
00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:11,159
and then the east

772
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,960
side is intended to be more residential. But there wasn't a

773
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,679
residential minimum

774
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,789
there may have been a residential maximum it was there a

775
00:34:18,789 --> 00:34:20,559
minimum because I see

776
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:24,500
where after you know the changes you still have multi-f you

777
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:25,800
know hotel

778
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,960
multi-family south of the area next to Cook's and so that's

779
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,800
still going to be

780
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:39,670
there and one of the reasons was the proximity to I-35.

781
00:34:39,670 --> 00:34:40,760
Well what's south where

782
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:47,119
it says Hotel RRMF that's a lot closer to 35 than this plot

783
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:47,760
that we're looking

784
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,929
at and so I'm just wondering by changing that from

785
00:34:51,929 --> 00:34:55,840
residents to commercial what

786
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,769
change that is making to the overall agreement or

787
00:34:59,769 --> 00:35:01,760
conditions that were set

788
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,849
forth in the very beginning of this project because I know

789
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:05,760
that's changed

790
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,639
several times over the last few years. So I said there are

791
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:12,760
maximums established

792
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,840
I'm not aware of any minimums for residential components

793
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,880
but overall you

794
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,699
know the only change between the South RR2 and South mixed

795
00:35:20,699 --> 00:35:21,480
use is the lack of

796
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,679
residential. It already permits all of the commercial uses

797
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:25,239
that would be

798
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,320
permitted so really we're just losing the opportunity to

799
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,119
put multi-family on

800
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,349
this site which has multiple other spaces within the

801
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:34,440
overlay that multi-

802
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,199
family can be accommodated. Okay. And just to address your

803
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:39,059
concerns that the

804
00:35:39,059 --> 00:35:42,570
southern pieces here I believe the intent for those pieces

805
00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:43,280
is similar

806
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,510
medical uses that would be compatible with what's already

807
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:46,559
there so that South

808
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,789
mixed use allowing office and medical uses will accomplish

809
00:35:49,789 --> 00:35:50,760
that goal. I just

810
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,690
want to make sure we weren't taking away residential

811
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:56,840
possibilities that were in

812
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,070
the original agreement that then they're going to be able

813
00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:01,079
to say hey y'all did it.

814
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,199
Certainly. Okay thank you. Commissioner Beck. Thank you

815
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:05,519
Chair.

816
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,559
Again just so I'm clear here when you go over to that

817
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:09,719
section over there where

818
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,369
it's mainly residential we have site standards for that

819
00:36:13,369 --> 00:36:14,800
right but in an area

820
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,550
where we have a combination of residential and commercial

821
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:19,039
we don't

822
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:23,880
have site standards? Yes so for the entire South mixed use

823
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,880
area speaking

824
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,650
generally there are not established standards at this point

825
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:29,199
. For the

826
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:32,519
like multi-family apartments there's not site standards?

827
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:33,599
For multi-family they they

828
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,019
develop the standards specific to multi-family but then the

829
00:36:36,019 --> 00:36:36,559
future they

830
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,349
will need to establish commercial standards single-family

831
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:39,980
residential

832
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:47,440
standards for the various uses that would go there. Okay.

833
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,719
Commissioner Sanchez. Would you say is that because

834
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,400
probably up along they've

835
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,929
established the commercial standards because they've

836
00:36:56,929 --> 00:36:58,440
already been building up

837
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,960
all in along 380 would make sense you haven't seen a lot of

838
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,000
residential I

839
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,039
haven't seen any residential in that area but I do see a

840
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:07,559
lot of commercial so

841
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:11,099
that's that's probably why they you know taking one step at

842
00:37:11,099 --> 00:37:12,079
a time mm-hmm they

843
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,849
decide you know where do we start first where to take our

844
00:37:14,849 --> 00:37:15,960
first bite so that's

845
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,119
that that makes sense what they what they're doing. Yes sir

846
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:20,639
and there is a

847
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,590
requirement the overlay that a certain amount of commercial

848
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:23,199
had to be in place

849
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,449
before the residential could be developed so it's all kind

850
00:37:26,449 --> 00:37:26,800
of fall

851
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,730
falling in line there. Yeah. Commissioner Smith. Thank You

852
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:31,800
Chair. In regards to

853
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,039
mobility plan does removing the residential usage on this

854
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,039
land and only

855
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:41,079
allowing it to be commercial uses is there any changes

856
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:42,239
whatsoever we're gonna

857
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,539
see like if we if it had been left open for residential and

858
00:37:45,539 --> 00:37:46,440
had been developed

859
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,000
in multifamily with the use the mobility usage on that road

860
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,119
that adjacent to that

861
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,880
property would it be less impact versus if it was

862
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,920
commercial uses like what's

863
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,429
proposed here does that question make sense? It does. I don

864
00:37:59,429 --> 00:38:00,559
't know that we saw

865
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,969
any trip generations for that comparison specifically I

866
00:38:03,969 --> 00:38:05,199
will say with it being 12

867
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,289
acres it's not likely there was a whole lot of density that

868
00:38:07,289 --> 00:38:07,960
could have been

869
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440
there for multifamily. I'm just thinking in regards to the

870
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:10,920
letter that was

871
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,420
written in just if they're silly complaint they really made

872
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:15,119
but just if

873
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,989
there is on the mobility plan if we saw there's a huge

874
00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:19,119
spike of traffic now

875
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,980
because commercial usage instead of if there had been a

876
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,159
multifamily development

877
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,920
later on down the road. I don't believe that was a concern

878
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,320
because in general

879
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,760
the mobility for razor it the roads are being built as the

880
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,360
development

881
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,400
progresses so heritage trail will be an arterial multi-lane

882
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,559
road panhandle will

883
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,750
be extended all the way across as this development comes in

884
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:39,679
so there will be

885
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:45,480
ample access to the site. So yeah panhandle I'm sorry.

886
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,880
Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah panhandle is nonexistent and

887
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:50,760
from what I was

888
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,530
reading they're gonna make that a four lane is that is that

889
00:38:53,530 --> 00:38:54,360
what they're

890
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,280
looking at? It's currently under design. Uh-huh. It's going

891
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,400
to be a collector street.

892
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,869
As far as I don't believe it's four lanes I don't remember

893
00:39:06,869 --> 00:39:08,280
we've just started

894
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,550
looking at the at the first some metal is on the plans for

895
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:12,280
it but it is

896
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,679
designated as a collector. Okay I thought I read that

897
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:16,800
somewhere. The part of it

898
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,639
right by the highways under construction and we're starting

899
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:21,039
to look at the

900
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,679
plans taking out to heritage and then to the east and then

901
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,360
continuing heritage up

902
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,880
to the point where it's currently under construction now.

903
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,159
And you're not crazy I think I did type that it was a four-

904
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,559
line so I think it

905
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,599
might actually be a three-lane from what I'm remembering

906
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:45,679
but like Jim said those

907
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,090
plans are under review so it will be designed to collector

908
00:39:50,090 --> 00:39:53,679
standards. So the

909
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:57,480
second part of the sign exhibit that needs to be amended is

910
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,639
appendix two and

911
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,079
this is just another map that outlines the sign areas and

912
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,280
shows where some of

913
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,070
the some of the assigned locations are for monument signs

914
00:40:07,070 --> 00:40:08,000
to go in on the

915
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,059
property. So again we're just extending sign area two

916
00:40:11,059 --> 00:40:12,380
further to the south to

917
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:17,320
include the rest of the rr2 area if this rezoning is

918
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,320
approved.

919
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,969
Notification was sent about this because it is an all-en

920
00:40:22,969 --> 00:40:24,480
compassing overlay

921
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,639
district we noticed 200 and 500 feet from the boundaries of

922
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:29,360
the entire overlay to

923
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,010
make sure everyone was aware. We did receive two responses

924
00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:33,719
those were

925
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,099
provided to you just before this meeting one was in

926
00:40:37,099 --> 00:40:39,719
opposition that parcel is a

927
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,039
single-family residence that's located up here on the north

928
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:43,960
side and then we

929
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,389
received one response in favor from one of the owners

930
00:40:48,389 --> 00:40:50,079
within the overlay.

931
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,429
Commissioner back. Thank you chair. I know that residential

932
00:40:56,429 --> 00:40:57,679
areas don't need a lot

933
00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,449
of signage obviously they're not advertising but when you

934
00:41:00,449 --> 00:41:01,719
've got apartments that will

935
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,079
need to designate themselves I didn't see that that area

936
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,800
had been set aside for

937
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,639
signage standards so what's gonna work over there? I would

938
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:13,880
have to go I can read

939
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,929
the standards that were developed for but I believe they

940
00:41:15,929 --> 00:41:16,719
addressed all of that

941
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,489
within the rezoning they did last year for the multifamily

942
00:41:19,489 --> 00:41:21,079
component. Okay okay

943
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,420
and there was one thing that was a little confusing to me

944
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:26,159
on heights of signs on

945
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:30,539
the along the service road of I-35 where there was it

946
00:41:30,539 --> 00:41:32,480
pointed out one time there

947
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,250
was a maximum of 75 feet like that was on page 9 of that

948
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:38,960
criteria and then the

949
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,719
very next page it says primary pylon signs have allowable

950
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,800
height of 40 feet

951
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,679
so why the difference? I would have to pull that language I

952
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:51,920
don't have it up

953
00:41:51,920 --> 00:42:00,150
here in front of me but I can I can look into that and okay

954
00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:00,199
all right

955
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,769
all right so in summary we are recommending approval of

956
00:42:04,769 --> 00:42:05,840
both aspects of

957
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,940
the request both the rezoning of the 12 acres and the sign

958
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:09,880
standards being

959
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,320
applied to the entire 22 acres because the request is

960
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,639
compatible with the

961
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,460
existing development pattern and it is consistent with the

962
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:18,760
Denton plan 2030

963
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,800
that designates this entire area as a regional center for

964
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,559
shopping and

965
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,780
entertainment so can answer any other questions if you have

966
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:28,320
them.

967
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:36,179
Okay thank you. Mr. Sanchez. I was curious okay you had the

968
00:42:36,179 --> 00:42:37,280
vegetation when you

969
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,429
were showing us one of the when we saw the one of the Ch

970
00:42:39,429 --> 00:42:40,280
eddar's and we're

971
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:47,440
talking about vegetation along the I-35? Yes sir. Okay and

972
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,519
so the signage is

973
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:52,019
going to be right on the frontage road right? Is that

974
00:42:52,019 --> 00:42:53,480
because I know there's a

975
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,420
concern what about being able to signage? Yes. So that was

976
00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:59,440
my concern. Yes this exhibit

977
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,000
shows the so some of the changes that were made here with

978
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,860
you know the

979
00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:06,630
placement of the signs once some of these parcels developed

980
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:07,239
they determined

981
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,010
the exact locations they wanted the signs and so they're

982
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:10,679
taking off some of

983
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:14,909
the pieces that are no longer necessary but each of these

984
00:43:14,909 --> 00:43:16,239
will be an established

985
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,360
sign location that advertising for the entire area so each

986
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,000
tenant will have an

987
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,769
opportunity for signage there on one of the multi-tenant

988
00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:25,679
signs or monument

989
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:31,019
signs as well as on their own building. These are just the

990
00:43:31,019 --> 00:43:32,440
locations of some of

991
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:40,349
the predetermined signs that they would be putting in. Any

992
00:43:40,349 --> 00:43:43,760
other questions for

993
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:50,340
Haley on this item? Okay it looks like our next item C is

994
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:51,599
being postponed but

995
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,800
we need to open this item again ask for a motion okay and

996
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,400
then continue it.

997
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:08,880
Date certain 25th. Okay all right. Seeing no one else and

998
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,480
getting through our

999
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:16,070
agenda I will close our work session at 548 and we will

1000
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:17,800
reconvene in council

1001
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,119
chambers at 630. Thank you.

1002
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,119
, thank you.

1003
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:39,880
a motion. Yes sir.

1004
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,269
Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and

1005
00:45:49,269 --> 00:45:50,239
Zoning Commission

1006
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,300
meeting for October the 11th 2017. This meeting has been du

1007
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:56,400
ly posted and we do

1008
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,679
have a quorum present and I will call us to order at 630

1009
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,199
and our first order of

1010
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:06,429
business will be to stand and give the pledge to the US and

1011
00:46:06,429 --> 00:46:07,679
the Texas flag.

1012
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:22,579
One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice

1013
00:46:22,579 --> 00:46:23,760
for all.

1014
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,639
On the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the Texas one

1015
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:35,199
state under God one indivisible.

1016
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,269
Our next order of business will be the consent agenda and

1017
00:46:46,269 --> 00:46:47,199
the chair would

1018
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:51,000
entertain a motion. Commissioner Smith. Thank you chair. I

1019
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,800
'll motion to accept

1020
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,199
the consent agenda as written. Okay motion to approve.

1021
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:55,960
Commissioner back.

1022
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,800
Second. Okay we have a first and a second for approval. Any

1023
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,719
discussion? Seeing none

1024
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:24,000
we'll call for a vote on the board. Motion carries. You hit

1025
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,280
the wrong button.

1026
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,889
You'll take care of it okay. So I'll announce that the

1027
00:47:29,889 --> 00:47:30,880
motion is going to

1028
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,679
carry six to zero with the correction for Commissioner San

1029
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:36,599
chez. That will move

1030
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:41,070
us to our items for individual consideration and I will

1031
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:42,199
call on Haley

1032
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,119
for presentation.

1033
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:03,409
Good evening so this is item SP 1740 it's a site plan for

1034
00:48:03,409 --> 00:48:04,320
Cheddar's at

1035
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,769
Razor Ranch. The request is to consider approval of a site

1036
00:48:08,769 --> 00:48:09,960
plan for a Cheddar's

1037
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
restaurant to be constructed within the Razor Ranch South R

1038
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,599
R2 district to be

1039
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:18,090
located on lot 25 block A of the Razor Ranch town center

1040
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:20,460
addition. The location

1041
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:24,239
is outlined here in yellow it's an approximately 1.67 acre

1042
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,559
site it's

1043
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,650
located on the east side of the I-35 service road it's

1044
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:30,119
about 940 feet south

1045
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,170
of West University Drive. Just to give you an idea of the

1046
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:36,440
zoning in the area there's

1047
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,219
base zoning applied to Razor Ranch consistent with the

1048
00:48:39,219 --> 00:48:40,360
standard districts

1049
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,320
in the DDC there is an overlay that covers the entire 410

1050
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,159
acres of the

1051
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,909
Razor Ranch district and that is shown in more detail here

1052
00:48:48,909 --> 00:48:50,119
on the right side in

1053
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,550
the zoning map for the overlay so the parcel outlined in

1054
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:54,679
red is within the

1055
00:48:54,679 --> 00:49:01,429
South RR2 district. Site plans for Razor Ranch properties

1056
00:49:01,429 --> 00:49:02,159
are required to come

1057
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,599
before P&Z for approval and within the South RR2 district

1058
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:07,400
the site plans are

1059
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,760
subject to the architectural landscaping and elevation

1060
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,639
requirements

1061
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:15,869
outlined in exhibit C1 and D1 of the overlay. All the site

1062
00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:17,400
plans include a

1063
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,710
site plan, a landscape plan, and building elevations to

1064
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:23,119
come before you. So looking

1065
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,190
in detail at the site plan you can see here it is going to

1066
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:29,159
be a 7570

1067
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:33,280
square foot restaurant it requires a minimum of 75 parking

1068
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,079
spaces they're

1069
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:38,639
providing 125 on the lot and the access to the site will be

1070
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:39,920
from the existing

1071
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,139
well they will be existing at the time they're currently

1072
00:49:42,139 --> 00:49:43,000
under construction

1073
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,380
internal drives within the overlay and there were some

1074
00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:47,539
questions at work

1075
00:49:47,539 --> 00:49:53,349
session about signs on the property there will be signs

1076
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:55,340
located along the

1077
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:58,110
frontage of the property they're shown here on the site

1078
00:49:58,110 --> 00:49:59,119
plan and one other

1079
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,559
element well I'll point it out when we get to one of the

1080
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:03,320
later plans there are

1081
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,630
bike racks included at the property as well. So looking at

1082
00:50:07,630 --> 00:50:09,480
the landscape plan

1083
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,719
all the areas in green are the site landscaping overall

1084
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,920
they're providing

1085
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,920
11.4% landscaping 31.8% tree canopy and that is in excess

1086
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,199
of the

1087
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:25,360
required 10% and 20% of landscaping and tree canopy.

1088
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,079
Looking in more detail at

1089
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,849
the landscaping around the building and the plaza area that

1090
00:50:30,849 --> 00:50:31,679
will be provided

1091
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,920
they'll have just over 1200 square feet of plaza that will

1092
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,599
include benches there

1093
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,059
will be two located here at the front one over to the side

1094
00:50:39,059 --> 00:50:39,840
of the building

1095
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,579
plaza trees will be provided in this outdoor landscaped

1096
00:50:43,579 --> 00:50:44,800
area and they will

1097
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,570
have planters at the front of the building and the other

1098
00:50:47,570 --> 00:50:48,320
feature I wanted

1099
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,360
to point out this block here is not labeled but that is to

1100
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,079
be a bike rack

1101
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:56,769
at the front of the restaurant. Question for you on that H

1102
00:50:56,769 --> 00:50:58,239
aley is the bike rack

1103
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,289
required or is that voluntary? The bike racks are

1104
00:51:01,289 --> 00:51:02,719
encouraged but they are not

1105
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,159
required. Okay so they have the option to put them in if

1106
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:05,840
they like but they're

1107
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,039
not a requirement. Yes. Do they get any credit for doing

1108
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:10,800
them? Not that I'm aware of but

1109
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,389
it's encouraged for the multimodal transportation

1110
00:51:13,389 --> 00:51:14,360
throughout the Razor Ranch

1111
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:20,400
area. Thank you. Looking at the building elevations this is

1112
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,400
the west and north

1113
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,550
side of the building so the one on top that will be the

1114
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:25,159
side facing the freeway

1115
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,929
so you can see a sign on the front of the building all of

1116
00:51:27,929 --> 00:51:29,119
their materials and

1117
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,409
colors are within the permitted materials and a color

1118
00:51:32,409 --> 00:51:33,400
palette for the

1119
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,960
overlay district. This would be the north elevation and

1120
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,880
then here we have the east

1121
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,989
side this would be what faces that internal drive aisle and

1122
00:51:42,989 --> 00:51:43,840
then the south

1123
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:49,969
elevation. There are criteria for approval outlined in the

1124
00:51:49,969 --> 00:51:50,480
Razor Ranch

1125
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,679
overlay district. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. Go

1126
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:55,280
back to the east and west

1127
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,530
elevations. The west elevation that faces I-35 right? Yes

1128
00:52:00,530 --> 00:52:02,119
sir. That looks like an

1129
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,880
entrance there. Is that gonna be an entrance side? Yes sir

1130
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,679
this would be the

1131
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:10,960
primary front entrance. That seems odd considering that you

1132
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,320
can't get to it but from the

1133
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,650
east side so they're gonna have to walk around from the

1134
00:52:14,650 --> 00:52:15,519
parking is that my

1135
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,320
understanding? Yeah if we look at the plan here so the

1136
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,639
might be shown better

1137
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,679
on this one so the entrances to the side there would be one

1138
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:23,719
here on the north and

1139
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,730
one to the south off of the internal drive. Okay gotcha.

1140
00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:31,320
Yeah parking provided on the side. Thank you.

1141
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:37,550
Okay so the criteria for approval of the site plan would be

1142
00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:38,480
compliance with

1143
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,389
the concept and schematic plan that were approved by City

1144
00:52:41,389 --> 00:52:42,920
Council ensuring that

1145
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,960
the site is compatible with the arrangement of buildings

1146
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,639
and land uses

1147
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,409
in the area wouldn't adversely affect adjoining

1148
00:52:49,409 --> 00:52:50,400
neighborhoods or properties.

1149
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,800
The site has adequate and safe circulation for vehicular

1150
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,599
traffic and

1151
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,829
that the plan complies with any other sections of the

1152
00:52:56,829 --> 00:52:57,840
overlay district and

1153
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,090
staff determined through our review of the site plan that

1154
00:53:00,090 --> 00:53:00,880
it met these criteria

1155
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,039
to present to you. And staff is recommending approval of

1156
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:06,519
the site plan

1157
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,590
request because it is compliant with all of the

1158
00:53:08,590 --> 00:53:10,000
requirements of the razor range

1159
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,599
overlay district as well as the criteria for approval. Okay

1160
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:14,920
one question for you so far.

1161
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,199
Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. Commissioner Ellis

1162
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:19,559
asked about mobility

1163
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:23,880
in the work session. One thing I thought of later item we

1164
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:24,519
were looking at is the

1165
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,559
convention center is built and it looks like it's gonna be

1166
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:28,719
pretty much finished

1167
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,079
and done pretty soon and I'm guessing since this is the

1168
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:32,960
first plat along that

1169
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,730
area that's getting done this will be done before other

1170
00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:36,400
restaurants. Will there

1171
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,739
be mobility connection between the two like if someone who

1172
00:53:38,739 --> 00:53:39,480
's staying at the

1173
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,880
embassy suites there wants to walk to the Cheddars will

1174
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,880
that be finished out

1175
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,170
with the drive-in and have the sidewalks and everything

1176
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:47,280
like that to the Cheddars

1177
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,210
from the convention center? Yes I don't have a map with me

1178
00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:52,039
that would show it

1179
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,920
but there there is sidewalk connectivity plan throughout

1180
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,679
and the

1181
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:58,980
these roads here will be completed by the time of this so

1182
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:00,800
there would be it

1183
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,760
will be done by the time yeah there are sidewalks around

1184
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,519
the site that would

1185
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:05,900
connect across walks to get across the street to that. But

1186
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:06,880
all the way down to the

1187
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,809
to the convention center even because that's this is kind

1188
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:09,360
of a little bit

1189
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,130
further north along 35 from the convention center. Yes the

1190
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:13,639
sidewalks will be kind of

1191
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,920
piecemeal as each development comes in they will provide

1192
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,800
the sidewalks on their

1193
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,190
frontage but in general the roads and the overall mobility

1194
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:21,719
will be will be

1195
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,559
available at that time.

1196
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:29,639
Any other questions for Haley?

1197
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,840
Okay thank you. And the applicant is here if there were any

1198
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:37,599
questions for him as

1199
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:42,550
well. This is a individual consideration item so it's not a

1200
00:54:42,550 --> 00:54:43,519
public hearing and

1201
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,289
if the applicant would like to speak you're welcome to and

1202
00:54:46,289 --> 00:54:48,320
okay not thank you.

1203
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,679
With that the chair will open the floor for discussion or a

1204
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:54,440
motion.

1205
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,420
Commissioner back. I move to approve. Okay. Commissioner

1206
00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:02,039
Smith. I second that motion.

1207
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,619
Okay we have a first and a second for approval. Are there

1208
00:55:05,619 --> 00:55:06,840
any conditions on

1209
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:13,300
this? No? Okay. Any other further discussion or questions

1210
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:15,760
or comments? Okay.

1211
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,599
I'll call for a vote on board.

1212
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:31,880
Motion carries 6-0. Congratulations. This time we'll move

1213
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,280
us to our public hearing

1214
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,480
section and I will open the public hearing for item A which

1215
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,000
is Z 17 - 0020

1216
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,570
and I will call on Haley for presentation of that item

1217
00:55:44,570 --> 00:55:45,360
tonight.

1218
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:58,719
All right this is case Z 17-20 for the lineman college. The

1219
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,679
request is to hold

1220
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:02,449
a public hearing and make a recommendation regarding an

1221
00:56:02,449 --> 00:56:02,760
initial

1222
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,090
zoning classification of industrial center general that's

1223
00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:06,960
the ICG district

1224
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,769
for an approximately 14 acre parcel that's located at the

1225
00:56:10,769 --> 00:56:11,880
southeast corner

1226
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,360
of Shelby Lane you see here going east west and Dakota Lane

1227
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:15,960
which is an

1228
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,059
adjoining north-south roadway. So a little bit of history

1229
00:56:21,059 --> 00:56:22,000
on the side a

1230
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,780
trade school the lineman college was established on this

1231
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:26,239
site in early 2010

1232
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,070
in that same year this property was part of a citywide

1233
00:56:30,070 --> 00:56:32,599
annexation program and

1234
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,570
when a property is annexed the practice is to put in place

1235
00:56:36,570 --> 00:56:37,599
a placeholder zoning

1236
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:41,239
designation of RD 5x so it assigns our rule standards to

1237
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,079
the property until

1238
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,690
such time as a proposals brought forth to rezone it to a

1239
00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:47,360
different district. So

1240
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,400
the purpose of this request is to facilitate the expansion

1241
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:50,760
of this

1242
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,199
existing use and to ensure the property corresponds with

1243
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:55,719
the surrounding zoning

1244
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,159
in the area. So looking at this parcel and what's

1245
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:01,679
immediately adjoining it you

1246
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:05,159
can see the RD 5x is right now kind of an isolated pocket

1247
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:06,400
everything around it

1248
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,400
is currently ICG district so right now we have some vehicle

1249
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,559
repair other

1250
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:15,300
industrial uses and some gas wells in the immediate

1251
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,320
vicinity. Looking a little

1252
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,360
bit further out you see a continuation of that same pattern

1253
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,159
to the northeast

1254
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,480
there is some ICE district that's industrial center

1255
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,840
employment that's

1256
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,159
currently developed with a temporary industrial use at this

1257
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:29,800
time and to

1258
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,929
address one of the questions from work session Metro is a

1259
00:57:32,929 --> 00:57:34,480
collector designated

1260
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,210
on the mobility plan and that will connect westward between

1261
00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:39,280
Shelby Lane and

1262
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:47,360
West Park Boulevard. So looking at a little bit further out

1263
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,280
a view of this

1264
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,920
area and general mobility you can see the I-35 corridor is

1265
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,639
in fairly close

1266
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:55,480
proximity to the property there are a number of primary

1267
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:56,679
arterials in the area

1268
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:00,719
running both east-west and north-south and then as I just

1269
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:01,239
mentioned in the

1270
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,280
future Metro will connect a little bit closer here to

1271
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,760
provide further

1272
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:10,519
east-west connectivity. Looking at the future land use for

1273
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:11,920
this property this

1274
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,829
property and in general this entire portion of town are

1275
00:58:14,829 --> 00:58:15,719
designated for

1276
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,650
industrial commerce that designation is meant to apply to

1277
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:20,719
areas where the

1278
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:23,760
predominant uses are manufacturing warehouse distribution

1279
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,760
larger scale

1280
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,159
industrial uses. Complementary supporting uses are desired

1281
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:30,199
in the area where it's

1282
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,760
appropriate to provide restaurants child care and things

1283
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,280
like that and all and

1284
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,869
those would be to provide transitions between this district

1285
00:58:36,869 --> 00:58:37,880
and surrounding in

1286
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,349
a regional mixed use areas and residential areas. So the IC

1287
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:42,559
G district

1288
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,969
that's requested is consistent with this designation of

1289
00:58:46,969 --> 00:58:49,719
industrial commerce. This

1290
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:52,489
proposed district is a logical extension of the surrounding

1291
00:58:52,489 --> 00:58:52,639
zoning

1292
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:56,039
pattern we just saw it would ensure that this property as

1293
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:57,199
it expands and

1294
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,079
continues to develop does so in a way that is compatible

1295
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:01,119
with the existing

1296
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,219
uses and existing zoning in the area. Notification was sent

1297
00:59:06,219 --> 00:59:07,719
about this case no

1298
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:11,679
responses have been received date and staff is recommending

1299
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:12,599
approval because

1300
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,369
of the compatibility with surrounding land uses surrounding

1301
00:59:15,369 --> 00:59:15,760
zoning and

1302
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,519
consistency with the Denton plan 2030 and I can address any

1303
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:21,519
questions.

1304
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:28,079
Commissioner Sullivan. Thank you chair. When you zoom in on

1305
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:29,840
the map it appears

1306
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,280
that there are quite a few telephone poles on the property

1307
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,320
where obviously

1308
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:40,079
they train. Are they looking to change the code in order to

1309
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:41,519
have more another

1310
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:47,530
structure built or is this just to bring the code into line

1311
00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:48,760
with what they're

1312
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,519
actually doing? So I think I mentioned at work session it's

1313
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:53,400
currently considered a

1314
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,280
non-conforming use so to do any expansion they would have

1315
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:56,880
to go to the

1316
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,030
Zoning Board of Adjustment or they could rezone to a

1317
00:59:59,030 --> 01:00:00,360
district where their use is

1318
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,099
permitted. Trade schools are permitted in ICG at this time

1319
01:00:04,099 --> 01:00:04,880
I believe they have

1320
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,199
several plans for expansions in the future. Right now I

1321
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:08,960
think they're just

1322
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,300
looking at an additional classroom building but I think

1323
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:12,119
they do have plans

1324
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:17,349
to do further expansion in the future. Okay thank you. Any

1325
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:19,559
other questions for

1326
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:25,320
Haley? Okay thank you. This is a public hearing if there's

1327
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:25,960
anyone who would like

1328
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,059
to speak on this item please come forward at this time. I

1329
01:00:29,059 --> 01:00:30,320
don't have any

1330
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:36,329
cards at this time to speak on this item. Seeing none I'll

1331
01:00:36,329 --> 01:00:37,480
close the public

1332
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,519
hearing and open the floor for discussion or motion.

1333
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:42,840
Commissioner Sullivan.

1334
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,679
Make a motion that we approve this. Okay Commissioner Ellis

1335
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:47,920
. Thank you chair I will

1336
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,480
second. Okay have a first and a second for approval. Any

1337
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,440
further discussion?

1338
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,159
Seeing none I'll call for a vote on board.

1339
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,969
Motion carries 6-0. Moves us to our public hearing item B.

1340
01:01:10,969 --> 01:01:13,360
At this time I'm

1341
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:26,559
open the public hearing for Z17-0021 and call on Haley.

1342
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:28,320
Alright good evening

1343
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,599
again. So this is case Z1721 it's a rezoning associated

1344
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,400
with Razor Ranch. The

1345
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,920
request is to hold this public hearing and consider a

1346
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,760
request to amend three of

1347
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,530
the exhibits in the Razor Ranch overlay district exhibits B

1348
01:01:43,530 --> 01:01:46,400
1, B4, and E1. And

1349
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,809
those changes would include a rezoning of approximately 12

1350
01:01:50,809 --> 01:01:51,880
acres from South

1351
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,519
Mixed Use District to South RR2 districts and it would also

1352
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:56,280
incorporate a

1353
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:02,230
total of approximately 22 acres into sign area 2. The Razor

1354
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:03,960
Ranch overlay is

1355
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,679
included includes 410 acres located on both sides of

1356
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,320
University Drive located

1357
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,480
in between Bonnie Bray on the east side and 35 W on the

1358
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,000
west or sorry 35 on the

1359
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,320
west. The district was originally approved in 2007. The

1360
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,440
major components

1361
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,289
of the overlay include zoning restrictions so each sub

1362
01:02:23,289 --> 01:02:24,159
district within

1363
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:27,610
there has permitted uses and general regulations that apply

1364
01:02:27,610 --> 01:02:29,840
to it. It puts in

1365
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,019
place site design criteria for architecture landscaping and

1366
01:02:33,019 --> 01:02:33,760
signage and

1367
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,530
it also established the site plan process that we saw

1368
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:38,119
earlier this evening.

1369
01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:40,889
So the property in question as I mentioned we have

1370
01:02:40,889 --> 01:02:42,679
approximately 12 acres

1371
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:46,420
that are included in the request to rezone to RR2 and then

1372
01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:47,159
we have a total

1373
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:52,460
of 22 acres that would be folded into sign area 2 with this

1374
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:54,559
request. A brief

1375
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,599
overview of Razor Ranch there are two major areas the

1376
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:58,960
marketplace on the north

1377
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,079
and the south campus on the south side of University.

1378
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:03,440
Looking at those a little

1379
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,590
more in detail the marketplace includes the RR2 area where

1380
01:03:06,590 --> 01:03:07,480
we have a lot of

1381
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,849
commercial and restaurant uses. The RR3 area we have some

1382
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:11,960
bigger stores such as

1383
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,730
Walmart and Sam's in that area and then there is a

1384
01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:16,679
residential area that will be

1385
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:21,150
developed in the future. On the south side RR1 is the

1386
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:22,800
district that surrounds

1387
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,320
the town center. RR2 applies mostly on the perimeter along

1388
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,840
380 and 35 and then

1389
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,719
we have the south mixed-use district that applies to pretty

1390
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:34,679
much the remainder

1391
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:38,460
of the property. Then there are several other smaller parc

1392
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:39,480
els we have a DME

1393
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,710
substation here on the north side along Bonnie Bray, a

1394
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:43,960
drill pad also on Bonnie

1395
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,079
Bray and then Cook Children's is already designed and

1396
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:48,039
established as well in that

1397
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:52,780
area. For the marketplace there are standards in place for

1398
01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:54,480
architecture for

1399
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,250
the commercial components. The residential standards have

1400
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:57,639
not been

1401
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,940
approved at this point and those will come before you as a

1402
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:02,000
request when the

1403
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,719
residential area is to be developed. On the south side the

1404
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:08,440
town center and South

1405
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,480
RR2 district have established standards in place as

1406
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,840
exhibits C1, D1 and E1. The

1407
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,000
south mixed-use area currently does not have standards for

1408
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,079
the majority of the

1409
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:22,409
uses there. Multi-family standards did come before you last

1410
01:04:22,409 --> 01:04:23,320
year and those have

1411
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,090
been folded into the overlay but there are currently just

1412
01:04:26,090 --> 01:04:28,400
placeholders C2, D2

1413
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,440
and E2 that will be the standards for the commercial and

1414
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,559
other uses within the

1415
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,010
south mixed-use district and those will be established at

1416
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:35,760
some point in the

1417
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,059
future and brought before you as well. So the first

1418
01:04:39,059 --> 01:04:40,960
component of this request is

1419
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,150
to amend exhibit B1, it's the zoning and concept plan for

1420
01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:46,239
it and you can see here

1421
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:49,150
the area in red is the difference. So currently it's within

1422
01:04:49,150 --> 01:04:50,199
that south mixed-use

1423
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:52,969
district that doesn't have standards in place. It would

1424
01:04:52,969 --> 01:04:55,280
currently permit hotel

1425
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,880
commercial uses office and multi-family. The request is to

1426
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:00,599
change it to the south

1427
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,960
RR2 district which would take out the residential component

1428
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:04,679
and just allow

1429
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:08,739
commercial development on the property. The second

1430
01:05:08,739 --> 01:05:10,280
component to this would be

1431
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,210
amending exhibit B4 which shows the zoning on the property.

1432
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:15,719
Same area we're

1433
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,940
just extending this boundary for the RR2 over to the east

1434
01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:20,400
to include this 12 acre

1435
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,860
parcel. Comparison of what would be allowed there in terms

1436
01:05:24,860 --> 01:05:25,719
of general

1437
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,460
regulations they are very similar same lot coverage

1438
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:31,320
landscape area requirements

1439
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,239
building heights are roughly the same. The key difference

1440
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:35,000
is really that

1441
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,800
residential component and as I mentioned before sign

1442
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:41,559
architecture and

1443
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,369
landscape standards haven't been developed for commercial

1444
01:05:44,369 --> 01:05:45,960
uses within the

1445
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,269
south mixed-use district at this time. Those will be

1446
01:05:48,269 --> 01:05:49,360
created and inserted in

1447
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,760
the overlay later. Whereas south RR2 has existing standards

1448
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,800
that we saw being

1449
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,400
applied to Chetters. Here's an example of some buildings

1450
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,159
that have been approved

1451
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:02,719
in the south RR2 area to show you what those standards the

1452
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:03,559
end result of those

1453
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:07,489
would be. So you can see here applied to restaurants, large

1454
01:06:07,489 --> 01:06:08,960
box stores, a strip

1455
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,420
center with multiple uses and then more recently we had the

1456
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:13,599
Alamo draft house and

1457
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:18,320
rooms to go that were approved last year. So just to

1458
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,360
summarize all of that

1459
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,130
exhibits B1 and B4 this change would have two major

1460
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:24,559
implications. It would

1461
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,739
remove residential uses from the parcel that would strictly

1462
01:06:27,739 --> 01:06:28,900
be multifamily. The

1463
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:31,119
same commercial uses are generally permitted in both

1464
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,119
districts though so no

1465
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,000
change there and it would change the design standards that

1466
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,119
apply. It would put

1467
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:39,960
the existing RR2 standards in place on the property. In

1468
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,360
staff's analysis of this

1469
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,789
we determined residential not likely to be ideal on that

1470
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:46,079
property. Close

1471
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:50,170
proximity to I-35 surrounded by commercial development on

1472
01:06:50,170 --> 01:06:52,119
all sides and

1473
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,880
looking just prospecting to the future we don't anticipate

1474
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,039
that the commercial

1475
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:59,230
standards in the south mixed-use will be substantially

1476
01:06:59,230 --> 01:07:00,199
different from what we

1477
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:03,039
already have in place in the RR2. So the goal is to create

1478
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:03,840
one cohesive

1479
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,010
development. So it's not likely that if it developed under

1480
01:07:07,010 --> 01:07:08,119
south mixed-use we

1481
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:12,840
would see much difference between the end result. The other

1482
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,320
major component of

1483
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,090
this request and the third individual exhibit to be amended

1484
01:07:17,090 --> 01:07:18,159
would be appendix

1485
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:21,719
one of exhibit E. So you can see here sign area two being

1486
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:22,400
extended to the

1487
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,829
south and east to include the parcel that we just discussed

1488
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:26,639
as well as the

1489
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:30,960
parcel where rooms to go is currently under construction.

1490
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,239
The second exhibit

1491
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:36,980
within the sign standards similar thing we're just seeing

1492
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:37,960
an extension of

1493
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,369
sign area two and there are some changes being made to

1494
01:07:42,369 --> 01:07:43,239
where signs where some of

1495
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:46,449
the larger signs are being proposed. There was a question

1496
01:07:46,449 --> 01:07:47,360
at work session

1497
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,690
about a distinction between the height of signs allowed

1498
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:51,519
there. That difference is

1499
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:53,809
because it's blurry on here you might be able to see it

1500
01:07:53,809 --> 01:07:54,880
better in your backup.

1501
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,809
There are H1 signs and H2 signs so those are different

1502
01:07:58,809 --> 01:08:00,760
types of pylons. H1 signs

1503
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,639
are allowed to be taller than H2 signs so that's why some

1504
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:04,280
of them have a

1505
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,320
standard of 75 feet and some have 45 feet. So it's two

1506
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,320
different types of

1507
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,679
signs being allowed. If I may. Commissioner Becker. Okay so

1508
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:13,880
and I think

1509
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,399
Commissioner Smith indicated too that one side would be

1510
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:19,800
more specifically for

1511
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,569
a particular business where the other sign might be for.

1512
01:08:23,569 --> 01:08:24,640
Certainly yeah there

1513
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,590
are differences in what would be permitted with those two

1514
01:08:26,590 --> 01:08:27,159
types but that

1515
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,569
is the distinction in height. There's two different types

1516
01:08:29,569 --> 01:08:30,439
of pylon signs that

1517
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:36,600
would be permitted. Great great thanks Aiden. All right

1518
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,840
notification was sent

1519
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,659
about this case as of the time of this meeting we had

1520
01:08:40,659 --> 01:08:42,119
received two responses.

1521
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:45,399
One in opposition from a residence here on the north side

1522
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:46,359
of the overlay and

1523
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,199
then one in favor from one of the co-owners of the

1524
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,279
development and

1525
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:53,880
immediately before this I believe we received a third

1526
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,560
response that was given

1527
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:01,880
to Chair Strange. Staff is recommending approval of both

1528
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:02,560
aspects of this

1529
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,649
request the zoning change and the sign area change because

1530
01:09:05,649 --> 01:09:06,560
it is compatible

1531
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,789
with the surrounding development and it's consistent with

1532
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:09,319
the goals and

1533
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,420
objectives both for the overlay and for the Denton plan

1534
01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:14,300
2030 for this area. Can

1535
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:20,149
try to answer any questions. Commissioner Smith. Thank you

1536
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:20,960
Chair.

1537
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,619
Haley in your opinion the use of if this wasn't rezoned and

1538
01:09:25,619 --> 01:09:26,479
there was a

1539
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,880
multifamily development that did come in there was built do

1540
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,119
you feel that

1541
01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:35,909
mobility would be the exact same once panhandles developed

1542
01:09:35,909 --> 01:09:36,880
to be the exact

1543
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,680
same whether it is a multifamily use or goes commercial use

1544
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,600
. I think the end

1545
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,789
result would be very similar because the same commercial

1546
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:46,079
use could develop under

1547
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:49,010
the existing zoning. It's such a small parcel multifamily

1548
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:50,000
wouldn't have a whole

1549
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,770
lot of density there but the same intensive commercial uses

1550
01:09:52,770 --> 01:09:53,479
would already

1551
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,279
be permitted. So I'm gonna ask that in regards to one of

1552
01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:56,920
the responses thank

1553
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:03,239
you. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair I don't really

1554
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:04,560
have a question just

1555
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,689
wanted to say great presentation you condensed a lot of

1556
01:10:06,689 --> 01:10:07,680
information there's a

1557
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,720
lot going on here you presented it really well thank you

1558
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,399
very much. Any

1559
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:20,159
other questions for Haley? Okay thank you this is a public

1560
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:21,479
hearing so anyone who

1561
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,039
would like to speak on this item please come forward at

1562
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:25,720
this time while I'm

1563
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:30,779
waiting I've got three letters I've got one from Andrew Os

1564
01:10:30,779 --> 01:10:32,600
borne in favor request

1565
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:38,920
I've got one from Joe Revis opposed to request and I have

1566
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,359
one from Kenan

1567
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:45,090
Johnson opposed to request and those are all the comments

1568
01:10:45,090 --> 01:10:46,479
that we have to enter

1569
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,800
into the record at this time. Again this is a public

1570
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:49,920
hearing anyone who would like

1571
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,079
to speak on this item please come forward at this time.

1572
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,340
Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair I would like to speak to

1573
01:10:58,340 --> 01:10:59,420
the applicant if I

1574
01:10:59,420 --> 01:11:08,069
may. I think you have to state your name and address if you

1575
01:11:08,069 --> 01:11:10,220
would. Good evening my

1576
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:13,300
name is Scott Wagner with Red Development representing DB

1577
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:15,720
Denton 2 the owner and

1578
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,890
developer of Razor Ranch Town Center I live and work in

1579
01:11:19,890 --> 01:11:22,359
Phoenix Arizona. Thanks

1580
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:26,319
Scott listen Mike I do have a little bit of concern of this

1581
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:27,520
zone change request

1582
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,449
just because I'm a pretty strong advocate for keeping all

1583
01:11:30,449 --> 01:11:31,279
the land we can

1584
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:38,300
for residential and losing any for this particular item I

1585
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:39,680
don't know it seems

1586
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,569
like the land value for residential has greater value to

1587
01:11:42,569 --> 01:11:43,720
the city but let me ask

1588
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:49,840
you this on to the north of this development we have North

1589
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:50,439
Lake Spark

1590
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,210
which has a pretty vast recreation center and just to the

1591
01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:55,079
south both of

1592
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:57,850
them are within a probably a couple of miles of this

1593
01:11:57,850 --> 01:11:58,880
development have these

1594
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,100
recreation centers let me ask this recreation center that

1595
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:03,039
you're gonna be

1596
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:05,920
built can you tell us what all it entails is there gonna be

1597
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:06,439
like indoor

1598
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:11,890
pool is this gonna be more of an exercise type venue or is

1599
01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:13,039
it gonna be

1600
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:16,539
something like main event where people come and have fun I

1601
01:12:16,539 --> 01:12:18,640
think it it'll be

1602
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,789
more like the indoor main event Dave and Buster's okay type

1603
01:12:22,789 --> 01:12:24,000
of an event so it's

1604
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,930
a 40,000 square foot building the site plan is submitted to

1605
01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:31,039
the city and in

1606
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:34,279
process okay so you're not gonna be doing anything that

1607
01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:35,399
would compete with

1608
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:40,880
the junior North Lakes Park or no no okay well that helps a

1609
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:41,239
lot that

1610
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:46,680
clarifies a lot for me thank you any other questions for

1611
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,399
the applicant thank

1612
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:55,460
you thank you this is a public hearing anyone who would

1613
01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:56,039
like to speak on this

1614
01:12:56,039 --> 01:13:01,479
item please come forward at this time did you fill out one

1615
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,319
of these with one

1616
01:13:03,319 --> 01:13:05,850
of these your cards or you have another please come forward

1617
01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:06,680
and give your name

1618
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,720
and address and then before you leave please fill out a

1619
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,000
card for us thank you

1620
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:18,489
Jimmy Rogers CS Rogers properties we own 916 North Bonnie

1621
01:13:18,489 --> 01:13:20,720
Bray with all of this

1622
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:27,239
development Bonnie Bray is already tons over crowded you're

1623
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:29,380
gonna have to the

1624
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:37,739
south scripture that's just a two-lane road what is what's

1625
01:13:37,739 --> 01:13:39,840
going on with all of

1626
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:45,640
that because right now supposedly they're going to widen

1627
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,079
Bonnie Bray or

1628
01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:56,439
the city is but now we've got all this commercial work

1629
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,520
coming in that's going

1630
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:04,359
to add more traffic there's basically two ways in two ways

1631
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:06,159
out what are y'all's

1632
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:11,710
thoughts on all of that well I don't know if we have Jim

1633
01:14:11,710 --> 01:14:14,039
Jinx here or Haley

1634
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:17,640
would like to address that I'd prefer staff to give the

1635
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,560
official response for

1636
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:24,239
them myself yes sir and I don't know of the specific

1637
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:25,880
timeline or plans for Bonnie

1638
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,329
Bray the ultimate intent is for it to be a secondary arter

1639
01:14:28,329 --> 01:14:29,199
ial that would be a

1640
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:33,060
four-lane roadway with 110 feet of right of way but I don't

1641
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:33,880
know the time frame

1642
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,159
on that and Jim isn't with us right now

1643
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:48,140
and this is way off of what the topic is but I think it

1644
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:49,399
needs to be brought to

1645
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:53,560
the attention that while all this construction is going on

1646
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:54,439
it's getting

1647
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,630
harder and harder and harder for the landowners to get to

1648
01:14:58,630 --> 01:15:00,520
their property and

1649
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:08,149
again the city of Denton is getting their cart before their

1650
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:11,439
horse this razor

1651
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,760
ranch property has been bought and sold three times that I

1652
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,039
know of and rezoned I

1653
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:23,640
don't know how many times you know I'm glad that we're

1654
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,720
getting it but in turn

1655
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:31,319
we have to look at the existing structures that we have

1656
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:32,319
there what it's

1657
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:39,739
doing to all of us that live there that own the property I

1658
01:15:39,739 --> 01:15:40,680
appreciate your

1659
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,420
comments and those are things that I think are probably

1660
01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:45,880
addressed at us the

1661
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,689
staff traffic department things those are really not things

1662
01:15:48,689 --> 01:15:49,439
that comes before

1663
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,699
our Commission so I'm sorry not to be able to give you an

1664
01:15:52,699 --> 01:15:53,920
answer that you'd

1665
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,520
like on that

1666
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,119
Commissioner Smith thank you chair just in regards to your

1667
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:02,920
comments one thank

1668
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,960
you for coming out so we need more many more citizens to

1669
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,079
come out and speak up

1670
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:10,520
whenever they see something about in their community that's

1671
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,000
going on one

1672
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,520
thing's a comment second one's a question common wise this

1673
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:16,319
this is just

1674
01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:19,090
the zoning process we will get to the plotting process of

1675
01:16:19,090 --> 01:16:19,720
course and if we

1676
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,930
feel like as commissioners and especially after hearing you

1677
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:22,359
speak we'll

1678
01:16:22,359 --> 01:16:24,430
probably all still be here on the Commission when it comes

1679
01:16:24,430 --> 01:16:25,000
to the actual

1680
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,840
national site plan process and approving of that if we feel

1681
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,319
like Bonnie Bray and

1682
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:33,750
scripture aren't in the plans to be expanded to a custom

1683
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:35,520
the 40,000 square

1684
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,880
foot Dave and Buster's or something like that coming in

1685
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:39,279
then we're gonna speak up

1686
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:42,319
and say something about it so at the point we're at now it

1687
01:16:42,319 --> 01:16:42,840
doesn't seem

1688
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,760
nearly as important but in regards to one of the comments

1689
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,199
you made if this is

1690
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:50,159
a multifamily site that was being built there because that

1691
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:51,159
's what's essentially

1692
01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:53,930
what would be used if we didn't rezone it would it make a

1693
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:55,039
difference to you

1694
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:57,789
would I mean would you still say that the street needs to

1695
01:16:57,789 --> 01:16:58,720
be expanded even if

1696
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,000
we were to be building an apartment complex there instead

1697
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:01,880
if we're going to

1698
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,649
get into question-answer we'll need to come back up to the

1699
01:17:04,649 --> 01:17:07,159
mine is correct okay

1700
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:10,159
all right thank you

1701
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:23,869
my personal opinion is on your zoning you've got people

1702
01:17:23,869 --> 01:17:25,640
that are coming in

1703
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:31,409
purchasing property from this company which is good for

1704
01:17:31,409 --> 01:17:34,640
them the zone use to

1705
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:42,359
me anything along 35 should be commercial or the the retail

1706
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:43,640
whatever are

1707
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:51,100
2d2 whatever y'all call it I understand all of that I'm

1708
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:52,640
more worried about

1709
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:58,539
what's happening on the east side because it's changed as

1710
01:17:58,539 --> 01:18:00,199
many times as

1711
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:05,399
the owners every time there's a new owner there's new plans

1712
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:06,920
I've got to look

1713
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:14,239
out for my property that's all you know that's why I'm here

1714
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:15,399
because I got the

1715
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:22,020
letter and I always come to thank you whether I speak or

1716
01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:23,279
not okay thank you

1717
01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:26,479
for your comments Commissioner Sullivan yes I would like to

1718
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:27,560
say to address your

1719
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,340
concerns about the traffic I can assure you in work

1720
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:33,319
sessions traffic is always

1721
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:37,109
an issue we had questions today about traffic and how the

1722
01:18:37,109 --> 01:18:37,680
roads are going to

1723
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,479
be done so you know I just want to let you know that we are

1724
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:41,800
looking out for you

1725
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,970
because we do believe that people live around need to know

1726
01:18:45,970 --> 01:18:47,239
what the traffic

1727
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:50,010
situation is going to be and how we're going to improve it

1728
01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:50,680
and not make it

1729
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,739
worse so I just want to let you know we do talk about those

1730
01:18:53,739 --> 01:18:54,920
things just maybe not

1731
01:18:54,920 --> 01:19:00,350
here a lot of times Commissioner Beck thank you chair mr.

1732
01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:01,439
Rogers I'd like to

1733
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,640
echo Commissioner Smith's sentiments for coming and

1734
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,640
speaking out we do appreciate

1735
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,609
that I would ask staff that is here to Ron and Haley is

1736
01:19:10,609 --> 01:19:12,079
there a name or number

1737
01:19:12,079 --> 01:19:14,970
you can give mr. Rogers that could probably better answer

1738
01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:15,880
his question to

1739
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:23,560
somebody who handles the future of the streets would that

1740
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,000
be Jim Jenks this time

1741
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,920
pre town yes sir there is a traffic engineer for the city

1742
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,399
but I would start

1743
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:40,229
that request with Jim and he can can work that up would you

1744
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:40,720
be able to give

1745
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,949
him the name and Jim's name and yes I can get that contact

1746
01:19:43,949 --> 01:19:46,119
information for him great thank you

1747
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:57,819
okay any other questions staff general public I think I was

1748
01:19:57,819 --> 01:19:59,199
getting ready to

1749
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,329
close the public hearing so is there anyone else who would

1750
01:20:02,329 --> 01:20:03,239
like to speak on

1751
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:08,300
this item at this time seeing none I will close the public

1752
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:09,479
hearing and open

1753
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:15,359
the floor for our motion or discussion Commissioner Smith

1754
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:16,720
thank you chair a

1755
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:22,920
motion to accept okay Commissioner Sullivan okay we have a

1756
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:23,840
motion for

1757
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:30,869
approval and a second any further discussion or comment I

1758
01:20:30,869 --> 01:20:33,640
'll make a quick

1759
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,729
comment and we'll take our vote I know we have a lot of

1760
01:20:35,729 --> 01:20:36,960
discussion and comments

1761
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,180
about traffic it is a complicated issue I think part of the

1762
01:20:41,180 --> 01:20:42,600
thing that we have

1763
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,550
to keep in mind is sometimes just because someone comes in

1764
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:47,279
to build a

1765
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:50,880
piece of real estate commercial residential on a main

1766
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,039
thoroughfare in

1767
01:20:52,039 --> 01:20:54,810
the city it may not always boil down to that it's the

1768
01:20:54,810 --> 01:20:56,079
developers responsibility

1769
01:20:56,079 --> 01:21:00,000
to fix all that it may be some city involvement in some of

1770
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,079
that so I think

1771
01:21:01,079 --> 01:21:03,199
we need to keep that in mind as we have some of these

1772
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:05,159
discussions that it's can

1773
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:09,560
sometimes be a joint issue that needs to be addressed

1774
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,960
rather than a private

1775
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,409
property owner has to solve all those problems so with that

1776
01:21:14,409 --> 01:21:15,319
we have a first

1777
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:20,050
and a second on the floor for approval and I'll call for a

1778
01:21:20,050 --> 01:21:21,560
vote on the board

1779
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:35,109
the motion is going to carry six to zero and that is going

1780
01:21:35,109 --> 01:21:37,680
to move us to our item

1781
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,930
C and we were going to reopen this and ask for a motion to

1782
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:43,720
continue I actually

1783
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,939
believe it's still open from last time so we're just going

1784
01:21:46,939 --> 01:21:48,079
to continue it for a

1785
01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:51,840
date certain okay thank you for the clarification so this

1786
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,420
item we left the

1787
01:21:53,420 --> 01:21:57,020
public hearing open and we were asking for a motion for

1788
01:21:57,020 --> 01:21:58,359
continuous to date

1789
01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:00,760
certain

1790
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:10,960
Commissioner Smith emotion to postpone okay to which date

1791
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,159
to October 25th okay

1792
01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:17,100
motion to continue to date certain October the 25th

1793
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:18,319
Commissioner Ellis I

1794
01:22:18,319 --> 01:22:22,920
will second okay we have a first and a second any further

1795
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,119
discussion seeing

1796
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:28,439
none I'll call for a vote on the board

1797
01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:37,680
the motion carries six to zero that will move us to our

1798
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,479
project matrix for this

1799
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,010
evening Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I think in light

1800
01:22:45,010 --> 01:22:45,840
of the discussion

1801
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,159
that we had today can we get an update on Bonnie Bray and

1802
01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:51,560
scripture for a

1803
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:55,119
future mobility maybe a look at that maybe something in

1804
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:56,520
writing packet to us

1805
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,619
an email something like that certainly with with with the

1806
01:22:59,619 --> 01:23:00,600
next packet that goes

1807
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,510
out for the 25th will include a summary of that and any

1808
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:04,920
sort of plans that are

1809
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,109
associated with Bonnie with any okay that'd be helpful

1810
01:23:08,109 --> 01:23:08,680
because I'm scripture

1811
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,659
I think scripture was also yeah obviously razor ranch is

1812
01:23:10,659 --> 01:23:11,439
going to continue to

1813
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,729
develop and we're going to continue to have similar

1814
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:15,000
concerns and yeah maybe we

1815
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,050
can get an update so that we can disseminate good

1816
01:23:17,050 --> 01:23:18,119
information out there

1817
01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:26,630
certainly thank you okay with that I'm going to close our

1818
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:27,479
meeting this evening

1819
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:32,479
at 10 after 7 thank you everyone