WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:17.519 Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton Planning 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:18.480 and Zoning Commission 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:22.879 work session meeting for August the 9th. This meeting has 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:24.359 been duly posted and we 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:28.329 do have a quorum present and I will call us to order at 433 00:00:28.329 --> 00:00:29.940 and our first 00:00:29.940 --> 00:00:32.729 order of business will be to receive clarification of 00:00:32.729 --> 00:00:33.759 agenda items and I 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.170 will turn it over to Shandrian for presentation. Good 00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:38.439 evening. The first 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.090 item that I wanted to go through to see if we had any 00:00:41.090 --> 00:00:42.899 comments or discussion was 00:00:42.899 --> 00:00:50.280 the minutes from July 12th and July 26th. Okay we'll run 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:51.280 through the public hearing 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.509 items and then we'll come back to the work session items 00:00:54.509 --> 00:00:55.640 just for 00:00:55.640 --> 00:01:01.140 clarification. We have two final replats on the agenda. The 00:01:01.140 --> 00:01:03.039 first up is 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:08.920 Haley Zagurski regarding the quick trip. 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:21.439 So this is a replat for the quick trip that's located out 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.040 at the corner of 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.879 University and the I-35 service road intersection and the 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:29.439 purpose of their 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.109 replat is just to take in some unplatted land on the south 00:01:32.109 --> 00:01:33.079 side of the property 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:38.200 here in hopes of future expansion of the facility I believe 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:39.959 . Commissioner Ellis. 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.959 Thank you Chair. Do you do they have any plans at the 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:45.640 moment or? They had 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:47.980 presented some plans and then they decided that they might 00:01:47.980 --> 00:01:48.620 want to rework 00:01:48.620 --> 00:01:50.799 things so I'm not sure what their goals are at this point. 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:51.159 And then I guess I was 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.689 just curious how so was it platted differently when they 00:01:54.689 --> 00:01:55.480 built their 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:59.689 building or was it never platted? Well no it had to be pl 00:01:59.689 --> 00:02:01.000 atted to build it. Yes it was platted and 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.680 this line here is the previous lot line. Okay. There was 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:05.799 this little remainder of 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:10.240 land that was never platted. Understood. Okay thank you. 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:18.500 Thank you Haley. Next up we have a final replat for 00:02:18.500 --> 00:02:22.919 property located at normal in 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:31.879 Scripture and I'll invite Julie Wyatt up. Good evening. 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:40.789 All right so this property is located at the corner of 00:02:40.789 --> 00:02:43.919 Normal Street and 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:48.479 Scripture Street and they are replatting a previously pl 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.360 atted lot and taking in 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:55.000 some unplatted property and I'll answer any questions. 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:55.680 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Chair. Do we have any 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:02.479 preliminary designs or 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:02.479 thoughts what they're doing with this yet? We don't have 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.479 any site plan 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.199 applications so they haven't made any submittals. You know 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:10.759 they they have 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.419 communicated to us that they would like to build a multif 00:03:13.419 --> 00:03:14.520 amily development on 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:16.909 the site but we don't have anything specific. They're 00:03:16.909 --> 00:03:18.080 taking in those two 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:22.199 southern plots making it one. Yes sir. Thank you. 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.199 Commissioner Beck. That answered my 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:31.599 question. Okay. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair and I 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:32.919 know we've discussed this a 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:36.020 little bit Julie so nothing changes with the zoning. It's a 00:03:36.020 --> 00:03:37.120 replat of the entire 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.849 thing. Yes ma'am. The split zoning remains in place. Yes ma 00:03:39.849 --> 00:03:42.120 'am. They can't ask for a 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.210 rezone again for a year from whenever it was denied. Yes ma 00:03:45.210 --> 00:03:46.280 'am that's in the DENT 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.330 Development Code. So with the special things that or 00:03:49.330 --> 00:03:51.240 whatever that little 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:56.729 verbiage is, special changes that they can come back, would 00:03:56.729 --> 00:03:57.960 a replat as such as 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.870 this be one of those that would be considered? Let me get 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:01.800 my code so I can 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.009 quote that correctly. I want to make sure. Okay. Thanks. 00:04:05.009 --> 00:04:07.960 Jennifer, will you help with 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:10.199 that question because I think she's asking for 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:11.360 clarification on what 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:15.659 substantiates a zoning change. How substantial does the 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:16.639 request need to 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:19.149 change for a zoning request in order for it to be 00:04:19.149 --> 00:04:21.000 reconsidered? Thank you Shander 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.680 and that's a good point. Well it has to be substantially 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:25.560 different or a change of 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:30.980 circumstances so whatever the if the if we decide that it 00:04:30.980 --> 00:04:31.439 has been an 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:34.850 adequate change of circumstances then we could review it. 00:04:34.850 --> 00:04:38.000 We as the Commission. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.970 So I guess my question was does this substantiate it? I'm 00:04:41.970 --> 00:04:44.480 curious. And I'm 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:47.379 sorry I thought that this was withdrawn after PNZ for the 00:04:47.379 --> 00:04:48.639 last time. Was it taken to 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.850 council? Yeah this isn't the zoning. This is a question. I 00:04:51.850 --> 00:04:52.680 know but the last 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.939 zoning application that she was asking about, it was taken 00:04:55.939 --> 00:04:57.360 to council at tonight. Okay okay. 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.540 Yeah and I'm sorry what was your question? So I know that a 00:05:01.540 --> 00:05:02.240 special 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.600 circumstance can be where they can come back within the 12 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.199 months. Sooner than 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:10.660 the 12 months. Right. And so these lots that were on the re 00:05:10.660 --> 00:05:12.120 zone are now being 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.500 kind of taken into this final. So would that be something 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:16.439 that the city would 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.199 consider as a special circumstance? It could be and it 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:20.800 would be up to the 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.069 Commission to decide. It's a discretionary. So that comes 00:05:24.069 --> 00:05:25.000 back through 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.829 the chain again or does that just go? It'll come back 00:05:27.829 --> 00:05:29.319 through the chain. So it 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.829 would start with you all and then it would go out to 00:05:31.829 --> 00:05:34.439 council. Okay and just to point out the 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.800 boundaries of the zoning request have not changed and they 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:38.319 didn't change 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:45.079 with this replat request. So the reconfiguration of the lot 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:46.079 boundaries 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:51.079 is not really, doesn't translate to the zoning request 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:52.240 necessarily. So if 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.970 there's a boundary change and there's no change that would 00:05:54.970 --> 00:05:55.600 be adequate. They 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.930 haven't submitted the request to change the boundaries of 00:05:58.930 --> 00:05:59.680 the rezoning 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:05.100 request yet. Okay. But so would that we have to be the same 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:06.920 request on a special 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:10.129 circumstance? I'm just confused at the process. The special 00:06:10.129 --> 00:06:10.839 circumstance would 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.629 be if it were different. If the zoning request was 00:06:13.629 --> 00:06:16.060 different. Oh the zoning 00:06:16.060 --> 00:06:19.519 request was different not if something's changed within the 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:20.399 ? The plat boundaries. 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:33.319 Okay. Okay. Thank you Julie. Sure. And then next up we have 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:36.279 a zoning case for the 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:41.360 Duluth Trading Center and I'll invite Jose Riaza. 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.480 Good evening. This is a zoning change request for the 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.040 project is Duluth 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:54.750 Trading Company in Northern Tools Plus Equipment. The site 00:06:54.750 --> 00:06:58.079 is located west of I-35 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.870 Southbound Service Road and approximately a thousand feet 00:07:00.870 --> 00:07:01.639 south of 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:05.800 West University Drive and the applicant has requested to re 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:06.720 zone approximately 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.529 five acres of site from Industrial Center Employment 00:07:10.529 --> 00:07:11.959 District to Regional Center 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:17.740 Commercial Downtown District. This is the area within 00:07:17.740 --> 00:07:21.199 approximately 200 feet of 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.860 the subject property. The property north of the subject 00:07:24.860 --> 00:07:26.360 property is currently 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:31.160 zoned RCCD. It fronts on I-35 Southbound Frontage Road and 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.560 the back of the 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:39.839 subject property is adjacent to the Kansas City Southern 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:40.759 Railroad line and 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.089 most of the subject property as well as the properties on 00:07:44.089 --> 00:07:45.319 the set to the south 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:54.300 and to the west are ICE. This is approximately within 500 00:07:54.300 --> 00:07:55.000 feet of the 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:00.199 subject property. The property here this one it is zoned 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:01.879 ICE but the use is 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.910 commercial with an accessory storage building and there is 00:08:04.910 --> 00:08:05.560 razor range 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:11.399 development east of the subject property. 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:19.920 This is area within 1500 feet of the subject property. You 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:20.279 can see 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.810 razor range development and Southern School right here. It 00:08:23.810 --> 00:08:24.959 also shows the 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.610 zoning districts within a 1500 feet of the subject property 00:08:28.610 --> 00:08:30.920 which include CNG 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:37.470 here north east of West University and 35 and there's ICE 00:08:37.470 --> 00:08:39.399 north of West 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:47.100 University Drive and then RCCD east of 35 and ICE and there 00:08:47.100 --> 00:08:49.840 is ICG as well to 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:58.759 the far southwest. The future land use for this area is 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:00.639 regional mixed use. 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.919 The regional mixed use promotes development with an urban 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:04.720 corrector and 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:08.500 it applies to areas that serve as regional destinations 00:09:08.500 --> 00:09:10.600 within Denton. It 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:13.809 promotes moderate to high density residential commercial 00:09:13.809 --> 00:09:14.200 office 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:18.539 entertainment uses and it is utilized for highly trafficked 00:09:18.539 --> 00:09:19.919 areas primarily 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:27.759 along major corridors like I-35. The mobility plan shows 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:29.639 site will be accessed 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:35.879 through West University two major roadways which is West 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:36.519 University which 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.490 is a primary arterial and then the Interstate 35. The I-35 00:09:40.490 --> 00:09:41.399 frontage is 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.450 currently under construction and the future plans show that 00:09:45.450 --> 00:09:46.559 it will have two 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:52.679 to three lanes in the future. And we did send out public 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.879 notifications within 500 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.320 feet and 200 feet as well as in the newspaper on July 23rd 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:01.639 and we received 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:06.480 one response in favor and it was from the property owner 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.679 which is off the 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.049 property which is highlighted in green and we didn't 00:10:12.049 --> 00:10:13.480 receive any response in 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.600 opposition. And staff recommends approval based on the 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.799 future land use plan which 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:25.480 is the Denton plan 2030 and it is compatible with the 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:26.120 surrounding land 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:33.500 uses as well as surrounding zoning to the major north. If 00:10:33.500 --> 00:10:36.320 you have any 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:43.840 questions I'll stand for any questions. Thank you. 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:49.450 Okay the next item we have is a development code amendment 00:10:49.450 --> 00:10:50.440 and I will 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.820 invite Haley Guczakowski up to present. This is related to 00:10:54.820 --> 00:10:55.559 medical land 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.840 uses and how they are permitted in the city. 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.679 So as Shandrian said this is a code amendment related to 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:14.440 our medical uses as 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:19.200 they're listed in the DDC. So the request before you is to 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:20.480 consider proposed 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.690 revisions to the development code specifically amending sub 00:11:23.690 --> 00:11:24.720 chapters 5 and 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.799 23 as it pertains to the medical land use categories and 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.600 the definitions. Staff 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.210 is recommending these amendments to the code specifically 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:36.320 to the definitions in 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.750 permitted zoning districts there as it relates to medical 00:11:39.750 --> 00:11:40.840 uses in advance of 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.820 the overall DDC update because of the number of 00:11:43.820 --> 00:11:45.440 applications we see for 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.269 specific medical uses that aren't well addressed in the 00:11:48.269 --> 00:11:49.679 code. As I'm sure you're 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.019 all aware the medical field covers a very broad spectrum of 00:11:52.019 --> 00:11:52.600 things from 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:55.450 doctors offices up through hospitals and our current code 00:11:55.450 --> 00:11:56.399 just doesn't have 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:00.129 categories and definitions that fit well with that evolving 00:12:00.129 --> 00:12:02.480 medical industry. 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.389 Currently the code has three definitions and land use 00:12:05.389 --> 00:12:06.759 categories that can apply 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:10.789 to medical services. Professional services and offices are 00:12:10.789 --> 00:12:11.840 any office used 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.519 for the conduct of business related activities as long as 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:15.320 it excludes the 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:19.210 storage and sale of merchandise. So that category does is 00:12:19.210 --> 00:12:20.600 where we permit any 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.169 sort of medical office so dentist, psychiatrist, any 00:12:23.169 --> 00:12:24.360 general doctor's office 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.259 would fit in that category. We have a definition for a 00:12:27.259 --> 00:12:28.759 medical center which is 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.740 defined as a walk-in facility for medical, obstetrical, or 00:12:31.740 --> 00:12:32.519 surgical care 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.919 limited to day use and then we have a definition for 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:37.799 hospitals which specifies 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.120 establishments providing sleeping and eating facilities for 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:42.080 persons receiving 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:46.659 any sort of medical care on a continuous basis. So these 00:12:46.659 --> 00:12:48.080 existing categories 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.980 really aren't sufficient to describe a lot of the more 00:12:50.980 --> 00:12:52.759 specialized and newly 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:55.759 evolved medical uses. An example would be the freestanding 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:57.279 emergency rooms. We have 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.059 very frequent requests for these over the past year and 00:13:00.059 --> 00:13:01.240 they really don't fit 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.690 comfortably within any of those three definitions we just 00:13:03.690 --> 00:13:05.000 described because 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.769 some of them can operate 24 hours a day. They may be able 00:13:07.769 --> 00:13:08.759 to accept emergency 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.049 vehicles but they don't fit the threshold to be a hospital 00:13:11.049 --> 00:13:11.639 because they 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.929 don't provide the sleeping and eating facilities. So we 00:13:13.929 --> 00:13:15.600 permit them under either 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.929 of the other two categories which as you see with the 00:13:17.929 --> 00:13:19.279 definitions neither really 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:24.159 fit with the specific use here. So the intent of these 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:25.440 proposed amendments is 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.850 to add some new definitions to the code and make sure that 00:13:28.850 --> 00:13:30.240 those definitions are 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.799 aligned with existing medical uses already defined in the 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:34.840 state code. Along 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.450 with that we would kind of tweak the three land use 00:13:38.450 --> 00:13:39.440 categories that we have 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.000 and make sure that each of those new definitions aligns 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:43.159 specifically with one 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.279 of those three categories. So this table offers a summary 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:47.639 of that. We have here a 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.149 list of all the new definitions that we'll be adding. Some 00:13:51.149 --> 00:13:52.200 of these are just 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.559 tweaks to our existing definitions but most of them would 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:56.519 be new and those as 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.960 you can see in the code red line that we provided refer you 00:13:59.960 --> 00:14:01.000 directly to the state 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.159 code so that those are constantly updated with what the 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:03.960 state regulations 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:08.350 have. And then we have three land use categories. Medical 00:14:08.350 --> 00:14:09.480 centers and we're 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.909 renaming medical clinic. Medical office is a new category 00:14:12.909 --> 00:14:13.879 we're breaking that 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:17.139 out from the general office category and then what we 00:14:17.139 --> 00:14:18.679 previously just called 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.970 hospital will become hospital services so that it can 00:14:20.970 --> 00:14:22.200 encompass this wider range 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:25.840 of hospital uses. These can be differentiated between 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:26.679 because medical 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.509 clinics and medical offices are typically outpatient 00:14:29.509 --> 00:14:30.440 services and then 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:35.929 hospitals would be your more inpatient services. So along 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:37.159 with this in the 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.370 permitted use tables in subchapter 5 there would be a few 00:14:40.370 --> 00:14:41.399 adjustments made. 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.799 Medical offices we are proposing that would be permitted in 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:45.440 any of the 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.269 districts where professional services and offices are 00:14:48.269 --> 00:14:49.360 currently permitted. 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:53.110 Hospital services would maintain the same permissions 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:53.919 within the code as 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.820 hospitals currently have and then with medical clinics we 00:14:56.820 --> 00:14:57.639 're making a few 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.480 tweaks because we've now specified that that category 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:01.600 encompasses a wider 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.639 variety of uses. So in the NRMU district we're proposing 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:06.919 that this use would 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.929 require an SUP. Medical centers were previously permitted 00:15:09.929 --> 00:15:11.320 by right but as we 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.440 saw with the freestanding ERs if they offer those more 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:14.480 intensive services 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:18.009 such as ambulance drive-thrus and things like that we might 00:15:18.009 --> 00:15:19.240 want an SUP to make 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.440 sure that there are compatible buffers and things put in 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:22.240 place with the site 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.299 design to make it more compatible with adjoining 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:26.159 residential neighborhoods. And 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.159 within the DR2 district which is in one of our lower 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:31.919 density downtown areas we 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:34.850 felt that this use it just doesn't fit so we're proposing 00:15:34.850 --> 00:15:35.919 to no longer permit 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:41.879 that use within the DR2 district. So in summary our 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.960 objectives are to provide 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.669 consistency by aligning the definitions in our code with 00:15:46.669 --> 00:15:47.559 those in the state 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.990 code. We're proposing to restructure those land medical 00:15:50.990 --> 00:15:51.759 service land use 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.610 categories into the three new categories we discussed and 00:15:54.610 --> 00:15:56.320 we're proposing to 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.809 assign some more appropriate zoning districts to some of 00:15:58.809 --> 00:15:59.480 these land use 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:03.649 categories as we just saw with the medical clinics. We did 00:16:03.649 --> 00:16:04.679 publish 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.830 notification in the newspaper we received no responses and 00:16:07.830 --> 00:16:08.320 staff is 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.539 recommending approval of these amendments to sub chapters 5 00:16:11.539 --> 00:16:12.240 and 23 of 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.529 the DDC and I can stand for any questions. Commissioner 00:16:16.529 --> 00:16:18.039 Roselle. Thank you chair 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.639 thank you Haley. I have a question about the upcoming DDC 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:23.759 rewrite are we 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.730 potentially not knowing what that language will be making 00:16:27.730 --> 00:16:30.000 an interim step 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.320 that would be then changed again I'm just wondering for 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:34.399 developers if we 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.070 change it then they fall under these new use categories and 00:16:37.070 --> 00:16:38.200 permanent uses and 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.480 then next summer we roll out something different I'm just 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:43.000 wondering the 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:47.450 implications or what the staff has thought about this. 00:16:47.450 --> 00:16:48.399 Whatever gets 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.409 adopted with the new code will be folded into the work that 00:16:51.409 --> 00:16:52.879 Clarion is doing so 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.039 we're in constant communication with the consultant and 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:57.759 whatever ordinance comes 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:03.610 out if one does come out it'll be folded into the DDC the 00:17:03.610 --> 00:17:05.720 new DDC. Okay thank 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:11.720 you. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair thanks Haley. So 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:13.079 this seems like a really 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.539 complicated way to address the 24-hour emergency centers 00:17:16.539 --> 00:17:17.599 because I think that's 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:22.150 what this this is the catalyst for this. Is there no way to 00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:22.960 just make a category 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:28.109 for for this land use and just make a category titled 24- 00:17:28.109 --> 00:17:29.960 hour emergency center 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:34.599 or something? We did you know consider that but we felt 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.160 that our overall our 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:39.230 code is lacking in a lot of these potential categories of 00:17:39.230 --> 00:17:40.920 medical uses you 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:42.970 know people come in all the time with a proposal and it's 00:17:42.970 --> 00:17:43.680 like well is it really 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.009 an office or is it more of a medical center we don't have 00:17:46.009 --> 00:17:47.039 clear definition on 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.319 that so we thought this would be an opportunity to wrap up 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:51.920 more defined uses 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.210 as well as those freestanding emergency use emergency 00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:57.160 centers. And I'm sorry just 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:02.269 to add to that what we want to avoid as well is being 00:18:02.269 --> 00:18:04.799 interpretive of what a use 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.640 is because really the medical uses are regulated by the 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.160 state and so all we can 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.289 really do is look at it from a land use perspective and see 00:18:13.289 --> 00:18:14.160 you know which 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.579 basically categories they fit within. If we start getting 00:18:18.579 --> 00:18:20.960 into the details of 24 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:26.200 hour versus you know closes at 8 or whatever other criteria 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:26.759 the state 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.599 requires for the each particular use it could just become 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:31.819 unwielding and we 00:18:31.819 --> 00:18:35.109 wouldn't really necessarily have any mechanisms to enforce 00:18:35.109 --> 00:18:36.039 that so that's why 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:40.549 we chose to do the umbrella categories so that if anything 00:18:40.549 --> 00:18:41.839 new pops up in the 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.160 next few years that falls within one of those categories we 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:46.839 have history and we 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:53.180 have a process to determine where it fits best. Okay then I 00:18:53.180 --> 00:18:54.079 guess my next 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.539 question was coming up with medical clinic some somehow 00:18:57.539 --> 00:18:58.880 that term bothers me 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.000 and I'll just tell you why because my doctor's office has 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.079 medical clinic before 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:07.890 their name their medical clinic of so as a medical clinic 00:19:07.890 --> 00:19:08.880 in their name they don't 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.200 fit I mean they're a medical office that's what they are. 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.559 So I guess I'm how 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:18.089 did we come up with that term? And we wouldn't necessarily 00:19:18.089 --> 00:19:19.559 base the use on 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.539 what they call themselves we base the use on what how they 00:19:23.539 --> 00:19:24.720 intend to operate 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.799 and then match that with the definitions that we have 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:29.240 identified in the code and 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.539 the ones that are identified with the state but we do want 00:19:32.539 --> 00:19:33.720 to minimize as much 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.640 as possible being the ones that are going in and class 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:38.559 ifying these uses 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:42.119 because it's really outside of our purview as a local 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:43.680 entity. We have the 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.210 land use controls but as far as the way they do business we 00:19:47.210 --> 00:19:48.119 can't really 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:54.559 monitor or regulate that. Okay and I guess I and I did read 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:55.240 through this and I 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.809 looked through the state I didn't really see medical clinic 00:19:57.809 --> 00:19:59.599 as a definition is it 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.759 state defined and it fits in okay and that's what I couldn 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:04.680 't find. It will be 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.769 well defined in the new DDC we can go through that 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:08.039 definition if you would 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:12.009 like but we do offer a definition for it in the code. Okay 00:20:12.009 --> 00:20:12.960 excellent yeah and I 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:14.759 guess we'll have to just make sure it's in the because I 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:15.440 know it's not in our 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.930 hospital stuff with the new DDC stuff. Yeah it's nowhere in 00:20:19.930 --> 00:20:20.880 there plus we only 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:25.420 have hospital and medical offices in there as as right and 00:20:25.420 --> 00:20:25.960 that you know 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:30.230 health care facilities. Yes and that draft pre-sees this 00:20:30.230 --> 00:20:31.599 work so we'll have 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:35.170 to make sure that whatever you guys decide on this proposal 00:20:35.170 --> 00:20:36.279 gets folded into 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.839 what the consultants are working on. Yeah and I mean it all 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:39.759 makes sense I'm only 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.519 stuck on medical clinic because to me I don't think of a 24 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:43.559 -hour emergency room 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:48.220 as a medical clinic but that's just how my brain works so 00:20:48.220 --> 00:20:49.000 if it's defined 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:55.240 somehow where it's it is this then okay. Commissioner Beck. 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:56.640 Thank You Chair the 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.480 definition that she was asking about would that be in that 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:00.359 subsection five 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:05.259 that you put in our material? It would be in sub chapter 23 00:21:05.259 --> 00:21:07.440 . 23? Mm-hmm yeah all 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.009 the definitions are in 23. That was definition okay thank 00:21:10.009 --> 00:21:11.839 you. My concern is 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:16.960 do we have anything in place now with one of these clinics 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:18.119 that will now require 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:24.170 an SUP? Is there anything in one of these medical clinics 00:21:24.170 --> 00:21:25.079 where they have 24-hour 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:29.759 emergency service in an NRMU now that would create a 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.720 conflict since we're not 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.750 allowing it without an SUP where they used to be there by 00:21:35.750 --> 00:21:37.000 right do they still 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.029 get to stay there that's not going to create any qualms? 00:21:39.029 --> 00:21:42.400 Yes. Okay so I think the 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:46.319 information said y'all had four requests for these type of 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.079 clinics are they 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:53.319 forthcoming and are they going to be in conflict with the 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:55.599 land use requirement? 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:59.569 If I remember correctly we had two that were already 00:21:59.569 --> 00:22:02.119 permitted one is current 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:04.410 well three that are currently permitted I believe and one 00:22:04.410 --> 00:22:05.039 was just a PDM 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.410 application and that one was actually within razor ranch so 00:22:08.410 --> 00:22:09.119 it would also have 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:13.339 their overlay district requirements to contend with. Okay 00:22:13.339 --> 00:22:14.119 but none of them are 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:17.329 going to be in conflict with the new land use requirements 00:22:17.329 --> 00:22:18.039 that are required 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.339 in SUP. They're not going in thinking they can go there by 00:22:21.339 --> 00:22:23.079 right? One that's 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:30.160 already has its permit is in an NRMU district yes. Okay 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:30.359 thank you. 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.079 Commissioner Ellis. Okay so one more question so the 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:34.960 definition that's in 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.960 here which I read is that something that we came up with 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:39.640 within the city or did? 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.880 For medical clinic? Yeah. Yes that is our definition. Okay 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:45.559 so my question 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.869 earlier was is there a state definition for it that's what 00:22:48.869 --> 00:22:50.000 I couldn't find and 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.609 I know we were saying we're trying to align you know with 00:22:53.609 --> 00:22:54.359 our you know with 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.000 with state definition so that was my. No I don't believe 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:57.799 there is a state 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:00.730 definition for medical clinic but we're using medical 00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:01.799 clinic kind of as an 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:03.829 umbrella term to catch all of these more specific ones. And 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:07.079 by defining it the way we have that helps to make decisions 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:07.480 with the 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:09.910 with the developments? Yes that was our intent. Understood 00:23:09.910 --> 00:23:12.200 thank you. 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:18.089 Well I'll ask a question about the SUP requirement and then 00:23:18.089 --> 00:23:19.559 also I guess it's 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.869 now going to be prohibited I think you said in DR2 so 00:23:22.869 --> 00:23:25.799 downtown. Any thought as 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:33.799 to all of the living as far as apartments and all those 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:34.279 types of 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:37.190 centers that are being proposed and being done downtown 00:23:37.190 --> 00:23:38.240 that there might be 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.440 a need for that at some point within that amount of people 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:41.279 that are choosing 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:44.039 to live downtown? We're only proposing that it be 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:45.759 prohibited in the DR2 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.059 district so just in the residential district within our 00:23:49.059 --> 00:23:50.180 downtown core the 00:23:50.180 --> 00:23:55.160 DCG districts that use could still be permitted. Okay. 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.599 I guess get my usual not a fan of the SUP thing out that's 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:02.279 a lot of work for 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:07.630 people to have to go through a lot of money to spend to 00:24:07.630 --> 00:24:10.079 have no. Is there any 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.529 other way to address that without SUP or is that just kind 00:24:12.529 --> 00:24:13.559 of the way we're going 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.089 to choose to move forward with it? Well that would just be 00:24:16.089 --> 00:24:17.079 for the NRMU district 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.519 and we pick that specifically just because it is a mixed- 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:20.359 use district that 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.650 still permits some residential uses it abuts a lot of 00:24:22.650 --> 00:24:23.359 single-family 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:27.420 neighborhoods and because that category would permit things 00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:28.440 such as surgical 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.400 centers or freestanding ERs that are more intensive in 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:32.440 nature and the way 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.339 they function and the amount of traffic that would be 00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:37.039 generated by them we felt 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:40.569 the SUP was the best mechanism to offer some control over 00:24:40.569 --> 00:24:41.599 how the site is 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:44.500 designed to ensure the proper buffers and screening and 00:24:44.500 --> 00:24:45.640 various things like 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.490 that are in place to prevent nuisance situations. Okay 00:24:48.490 --> 00:24:51.680 great thank you. 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.359 Okay thank you Hayden. 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:02.640 Going back to our work session items the first item on that 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.680 agenda is small cell 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:09.420 network nodes we have a presentation by Manal Malade. Thank 00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:11.839 you Chandran. Good 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:16.380 evening Chairperson Strange, Commissioners. It's odd to be 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:20.559 on this side today but I 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:25.799 wanted to take the opportunity this evening to give you an 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:26.759 update on a 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:31.400 Senate bill, Senate bill 1004 and it's what we call small 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:32.599 cell deployment or 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.960 small cellular antennas and the impact or the potential 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.559 impact of these as it 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.509 relates to our city's right-of-way so everything that is 00:25:41.509 --> 00:25:42.680 dedicated as right-of- 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.200 way or is currently paved as right-of-way and through my 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:47.880 presentation 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.319 I'm going to give you a synopsis of what this bill is the 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:52.720 highlights of it and 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.069 what our implementation plan is it and what our parameters 00:25:56.069 --> 00:25:57.119 are and where the 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.480 restrictions lie within those as it relates to what a city 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:01.519 can or cannot do. 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.490 Basically if this is passed this bill well basically this 00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:06.480 bill I beg your 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.380 pardon would allow the cellular industry to install small 00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:11.279 antenna antennas or 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.990 nodes within the city's right-of-way so what they would use 00:26:13.990 --> 00:26:14.920 is they would use 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:20.109 existing pole fixtures and on top of that or alongside it 00:26:20.109 --> 00:26:21.680 would install these 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.900 nodes and I have some pictures to give you some semblance 00:26:23.900 --> 00:26:24.920 of what we're talking 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:28.569 about. So its purpose was to increase cellular network 00:26:28.569 --> 00:26:30.359 coverage across the state 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.160 and of course there are new technologies there so it was 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.740 deemed easier as an 00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:39.390 easier rollout for the new 5g technology and also to meet 00:26:39.390 --> 00:26:40.720 customer demand these 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:46.529 days as it relates to these networks. It will require 00:26:46.529 --> 00:26:48.559 cities to comply so all 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.720 cities will be required to comply with this and as a result 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:52.720 I've put there it 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:57.849 says one size fits all approach so basically these this use 00:26:57.849 --> 00:26:58.680 would be 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.799 permitted and there are specific parameters associated with 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.079 that. It 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.380 identifies your timelines as it relates to reviewing the 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:07.359 application it to 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.000 review it has attached timelines as it relates to reviewing 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:12.039 the package and 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.960 what is being proposed which could include your design 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:16.519 elements. These are 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.230 some of the examples if you look at these these pictures in 00:27:19.230 --> 00:27:20.400 front of you it 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:24.109 gives you an idea of what the equipment looks like and of 00:27:24.109 --> 00:27:25.640 course it varies from 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.240 company to company that is that is using this equipment and 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:29.319 then of course you 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:31.710 can see that we have this attachment here and then of 00:27:31.710 --> 00:27:32.720 course they usually 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.650 try and go above the fixture itself that existing utility 00:27:37.650 --> 00:27:40.039 feature. Here's another 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.579 example that they've tried to show on what is happening 00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:44.720 here and here and 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:50.349 along here as well and up here. So we are going to see an 00:27:50.349 --> 00:27:54.119 increased level of 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.019 activity within our right-of-way as it relates to these 00:27:57.019 --> 00:27:58.119 uses in the very near 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.930 future and they will have the ability to then install their 00:28:01.930 --> 00:28:03.640 fixtures and relocate 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.660 or locate upon these utility posts. Here are a few more 00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:09.039 examples that gives you 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:13.180 an idea of a small cell node. Right now these are the 00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:14.799 players that we're dealing 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.400 with as it relates to applications that will be coming 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.640 forward to conduct this 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.559 use. What are the key provisions of this Senate bill? It 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:24.839 mandates that small cell 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.690 nodes and poles to be installed in the city's right-of-way. 00:28:27.690 --> 00:28:28.599 It includes use of 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.259 existing utility and traffic poles so all of our DME 00:28:32.259 --> 00:28:34.039 structures that we do have 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.819 in form of poles would be they could be used as co-location 00:28:37.819 --> 00:28:40.680 elements and they 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.259 also have the ability to install new poles too as long as 00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:44.000 they're in the 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.160 right-of-way but there are distance parameters or distance 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:46.799 requirements from 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.410 those. It enables us to establish city permit requirements 00:28:50.410 --> 00:28:51.240 what that means is 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.430 we would have to have a specific ordinance that would have 00:28:53.430 --> 00:28:54.000 to be adopted 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.950 that would outline the application procedure that would 00:28:56.950 --> 00:28:57.680 have also the 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.299 design criteria manual in terms of what limited ability we 00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:02.559 have associated with 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.549 these and I'll dive into that in a second too and it also 00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:06.480 has a provision 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.400 just as any other development code that once you submit 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.039 your application it is 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.319 deemed approved if it is not reviewed and addressed at that 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:15.599 time and there is 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.599 a maximum fee structure as well that is associated with 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.039 this. I won't dive into 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:25.380 this table to integrate detail but it basically gives you 00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:26.160 the the shot clock 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.019 requirements as it relates to the node the transport 00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:30.240 facility that you see 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.140 there that's relating to the cabling and then a new pole 00:29:33.140 --> 00:29:34.559 installation and then it 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.890 gives you what the city's deadlines are in terms of complet 00:29:37.890 --> 00:29:39.079 eness review. When we 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:42.509 talk about the fee structure it's $500 for up to five 00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:43.839 network nodes those were 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.859 the nodes that I showed you in the earlier photographs and 00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.000 then $250 for 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.000 each additional node and there is an annual node rental fee 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.759 and that is $250 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:58.549 per node and then it is a thousand dollars for a new pole 00:29:58.549 --> 00:30:00.240 and a $250 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.289 annual pole rental fee. There is a monthly rental and that 00:30:04.289 --> 00:30:05.240 's $28 for each 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:11.319 network transfer facility. Commissioner Ellis. Thank You 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:12.319 Chair. 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:17.450 Menal did I read correctly that if the city doesn't I guess 00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:18.880 respond in those 30 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.539 days it's automatically approved? Correct. And then would 00:30:22.539 --> 00:30:23.279 there be fees 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.250 associated at that point or? So yeah the fees would apply 00:30:27.250 --> 00:30:28.640 because there's several 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.470 functions that are happening one is there's an application 00:30:31.470 --> 00:30:32.200 procedure and 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.099 that's one of the shot clocks that we're talking about that 00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:36.480 the application has 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.720 to be reviewed for completeness and if you remember I also 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:40.880 prefaced with that 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.539 we have to have an ordinance that then outlines the 00:30:44.539 --> 00:30:46.440 application requirements 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.880 you know the basic check boxes and then also has to be 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.400 reviewed within a certain 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.690 period of time and then from there the full submittal 00:30:54.690 --> 00:30:56.200 package is reviewed in 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.359 terms of the co-location elements associated with that so 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:00.440 each component of 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.970 it has a deadline associated with it. It's very similar to 00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:05.039 any development 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:12.599 application it's just rather stringent. Is it doable? This 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.359 process and these types 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.339 of functions will not be addressed by the Department of 00:31:18.339 --> 00:31:19.599 Development Services 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.500 it's indeed a function that our right-of-way team and our 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:23.359 engineering team 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.900 will manage however there are some touch points which I'll 00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:28.960 discuss in a second. 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:33.319 Commissioner Roselle. Thank You Chair. A couple questions 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:34.440 in my ignorance can 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.950 multiple companies share the same node? It's my 00:31:36.950 --> 00:31:39.039 understanding they can as long 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.329 as it functions but that's something that I'm not the 00:31:43.329 --> 00:31:44.880 expert in but I think 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.920 I've overheard that being said yes. Sure and then the fees 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.400 that's the company 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:54.759 paying the city of Denton. Correct. But these fees are ca 00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.279 pped by this Senate bill. 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:02.700 At what level? Those are the fees that can be assessed. But 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:02.960 they can have 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.789 unlimited additional nodes. But you still have a rental fee 00:32:06.789 --> 00:32:09.079 for each node. Right but 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.180 theoretically they could put in a hundred if they want to 00:32:11.180 --> 00:32:12.319 pay for those. On 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:16.119 one utility structure or within the right-of-way? Yes. 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:16.799 Within the right-of-way? 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.259 Unlimited. And so as long as it's in the city of Denton, 00:32:20.259 --> 00:32:21.400 the city of Denton will 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.640 get those fees. Correct. And who will manage the 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.720 administration of those fees? 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.599 It wouldn't be the Department of Engineering would it? I 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:28.839 believe they 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.349 would be coming into the engineering department but the 00:32:31.349 --> 00:32:32.319 fund I don't know what 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.359 fund they would be and then be credited to for the city. 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.920 Thank you. 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.140 Okay so some of the touch points that I wanted to mention 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.400 Commissioner Ellis and 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:51.410 commissioners was what ability do we have in terms of a in 00:32:51.410 --> 00:32:51.519 terms of the 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.920 planning division as it relates to are there any 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.400 restrictions or can we place 00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.690 any restrictions. I'm going to work a little backwards here 00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:02.799 . The first semblance 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.990 of design control that we do have is related to our 00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:09.559 historical districts or 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.359 our overlay districts. And what we have the ability to do 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:14.720 is once we create this 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.619 design criteria manual and the associated ordinances to 00:33:17.619 --> 00:33:18.480 state in there 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:23.720 that indeed we can create specific design elements that for 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:24.920 instance the 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.529 poles cannot be taller than a certain height. That the 00:33:28.529 --> 00:33:29.839 color is used on the 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.690 poles or are we going to use some kind of as we call 00:33:33.690 --> 00:33:35.559 camouflage type pole 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.680 structure to enable it in historic districts or to allow 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:39.480 the use in the 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.089 right of ways within those historic districts or any other 00:33:42.089 --> 00:33:42.599 overlay or 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.089 corridor districts. Residential areas can also be 00:33:46.089 --> 00:33:48.400 restricted and then municipal 00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:53.380 parks in terms of no new utility poles can be installed to 00:33:53.380 --> 00:33:55.880 accommodate. Again 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.630 we're all learning as we deal with this Senate bill it is 00:33:59.630 --> 00:34:00.960 very new to most of 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.519 our communities within the metroplex so we're all putting 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:04.759 our heads together and 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.250 trying to come up with some semblance of an ordinance that 00:34:08.250 --> 00:34:11.719 would be applicable. I 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.130 wanted to give you some design elements and show some 00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:16.960 design elements to use for 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.909 instance we have you could consider this and this as a 00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:21.280 design feature and not 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.420 your typical poles that you see and I've got some other 00:34:23.420 --> 00:34:24.559 pictures there for you as 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.639 well various concealment solutions that are possible but 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.280 then again this is only 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:34.960 in specific areas within based on their zoning. What is our 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:35.960 implementation plan? 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.349 We are meeting with our cell providers to understand and 00:34:38.349 --> 00:34:39.519 better or rather to 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.469 better understand what their plans are what their future 00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:42.159 plans are and what 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.989 their expansion plans are and what new technologies we're 00:34:44.989 --> 00:34:46.000 dealing with and how 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.349 we need to accommodate those. We are in the process of also 00:34:49.349 --> 00:34:50.239 drafting a new 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.670 ordinance and we're drafting design standards we're 00:34:53.670 --> 00:34:54.719 drafting application 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.289 forms and we're also attending information sessions with 00:34:58.289 --> 00:34:59.320 the cog and 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:03.030 receiving and sharing information with other communities. 00:35:03.030 --> 00:35:04.400 Lots of communities 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.230 are trying to discern what to do some communities have 00:35:07.230 --> 00:35:07.960 already seen 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.409 installation of these poles as well of these utility poles 00:35:11.409 --> 00:35:12.480 to these utility 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.599 poles or co-location. So bringing this to your attention 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:18.800 because one this will be 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.750 a separate ordinance in itself however it is an interesting 00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:22.559 bill that you know 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.010 that it needed to come before you to give you some idea of 00:35:25.010 --> 00:35:25.800 what's going on 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.239 with it and the implications in as as far as historic 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:30.559 districts and corridor 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.400 districts are concerned. I've provided some data for you to 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:35.719 review again we are 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.429 going to go to the public utility board on August 14th you 00:35:38.429 --> 00:35:39.280 meaning the city 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.320 is and then historical landmark Commission we will be 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.039 making a similar 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.800 presentation to them on the 14th and we will be seeking 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.079 approval of the City 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.789 Council on the 22nd and from there on we'll begin receiving 00:35:52.789 --> 00:35:53.840 applications on 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.480 September 1 which is our deadline and I will try and answer 00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:58.599 any questions that 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:03.519 should you have any. Commissioner Beck. Just out of 00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.880 curiosity why did 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.530 telecommunications industry feel like they need to circum 00:36:09.530 --> 00:36:10.880 vent cities and towns 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:14.360 and go straight to the state? Any idea on that? Honestly I 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.400 don't know. Not a 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:23.400 question but I would like to make some concerns. Sure. I 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.159 don't have a 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.280 problem with telecommunications coming in wanting to expand 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:28.559 their wireless facilities 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:34.280 obviously as they say it is expanding and it tends to be 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:35.960 migrating towards 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.119 solar a solely using cellular communication in their homes 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:39.719 and land 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.730 lines are obviously going out so I would be for that in any 00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:43.760 of the elements and 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:48.289 infrastructure that they need but as I mentioned and I 00:36:48.289 --> 00:36:49.840 think all of us should be 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.239 bothered a little bit that the state feels compelled to 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:53.920 make this unfund 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.539 unfunded mandate upon the cities primarily because it seems 00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:00.320 like another 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.159 overreach from the state. We have like nearly a dozen bills 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.559 and the special 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.969 session alone that try to mitigate local control and this 00:37:09.969 --> 00:37:11.239 just seems like another 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:15.210 effort at it so for that reason I'd kind of be opposed to 00:37:15.210 --> 00:37:17.039 it just because once 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.539 these guys put their foot in the door they keep pushing it 00:37:19.539 --> 00:37:20.280 open and we keep 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.449 losing that local control. I'm concerned about that but the 00:37:23.449 --> 00:37:24.559 other aspect of this 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.800 that bothers me is what I think we're all familiar with 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:29.239 this is crony capitalism 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.199 and I'll explain that. Let me just ask my quick raise of 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:33.360 hands here is anybody 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.480 familiar with the American Legislative Exchange Council 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:37.679 better known from its 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.960 acronym ALEC. No? Okay let me give you a real brief 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:43.800 definition. ALEC is a 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.650 corporate funded bill mill where global corporations state 00:37:47.650 --> 00:37:48.760 politicians vote 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.809 behind closed doors to try and rewrite state laws that 00:37:51.809 --> 00:37:53.880 governor writes. Through 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.280 ALEC corporations hand state legislators to the wish list 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:57.920 to benefit their 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.000 bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.559 operations. They pay for a seat 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.840 on ALEC task forces or corporate lobbyists and special 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:07.280 interests 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.889 representatives vote with the elected officials to approve 00:38:10.889 --> 00:38:13.440 model bills. Now the 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.239 guy who sponsored this bill is Kelly Hancock out of Rich 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:18.679 land Hills, District 9. 00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:23.579 Which sits just below us. He sponsored it in this bill his 00:38:23.579 --> 00:38:25.159 SB 1004 has a 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:29.599 striking similarity to an ALEC model bill entitled Wireless 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:30.840 Telecommunications 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:36.760 Towers Siding Act and Senator Kelly actually is the chair 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:37.760 for ALEC in the 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.119 state of Texas. That should be troubling to all of us 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.000 because it kind of 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.000 diminishes democracy where our local representatives get 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:45.760 overridden by 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.320 corporate special interests. So I would be thoroughly for 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.119 us signing up with I 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:56.679 believe it's McAllen, Texas and a few other cities to 00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:57.760 challenge the 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.840 constitutionality of this law just for the two reasons I've 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:01.800 given here. So 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.659 that's my two cents worth. We'll turn to legal. Looks like 00:39:05.659 --> 00:39:06.679 we have a comment. Well 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:11.480 just so that you're all aware there is going to be pending 00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.909 litigation that's spearheaded by McAllen and several cities 00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:15.559 are actually 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.670 joining them. I think the deadline to join it for the 00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:20.719 initial filing is August 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.260 18th which is prior to the time that we're taking this to 00:39:23.260 --> 00:39:23.960 counsel but we 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.809 would have an opportunity at a later time to intervene in 00:39:27.809 --> 00:39:29.019 the lawsuit if we 00:39:29.019 --> 00:39:31.449 wanted to become a party. So we'll be speaking with counsel 00:39:31.449 --> 00:39:33.159 about that as well 00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:37.760 so that we can provide all opportunities to them. 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.280 Commissioner Roselle. Thank You 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.539 Chair. Can you speak to Commissioner Bex that this is unf 00:39:44.539 --> 00:39:45.940 unded? I didn't 00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:49.219 gather besides the human capital to set this up with the 00:39:49.219 --> 00:39:50.639 drafts of ordinance and 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.559 application that there would be funds required from the 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:54.880 City of Denton to 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.590 facilitate the installation or upkeep or maintenance of any 00:39:58.590 --> 00:40:00.559 of this. No. So apart 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.639 from the manpower to draft ordinances and the applications 00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:04.519 that you listed 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.519 there's no other mandated funding that would go into 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.199 continue this. At this time 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.920 there is none we're still learning this industry ourselves 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:14.119 so once we I know 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.769 that they will have to be license agreements with these 00:40:16.769 --> 00:40:17.719 operators who are 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.900 co-locating on these polls. There is discussion on who 00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:22.840 would be the 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.440 contractor so to speak that would work with existing 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:26.679 utility polls and those 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.860 are things we're still earning out. Like we said this is 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:30.000 relatively new to us too. 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.710 We're bringing this forward as a work session to bring you 00:40:33.710 --> 00:40:34.639 to basically 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.469 apprise you that this is moving forward and as details 00:40:37.469 --> 00:40:38.719 unfold we will bring them 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:44.079 to your attention too. Thank you. Commissioner Sullivan. 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.639 Thank you Chair. I 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.349 would take the opposite view of Commissioner Bex and that 00:40:49.349 --> 00:40:50.000 is I think 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.969 it's a great idea for a simple reason and that is how long 00:40:53.969 --> 00:40:54.920 have we been 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.260 talking about getting cellular service downtown that's 00:40:58.260 --> 00:40:59.719 usable on a regular 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.989 basis and in certain parts of the city you don't have good 00:41:04.989 --> 00:41:05.880 cellular coverage 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.599 for whatever reason and so I think that this is really 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.760 pushing the city to get 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:16.320 into the 20th century or 21st century at least with the 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:16.719 cellular 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:21.679 coverage and along with Commissioner Rozelle I found it 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:22.199 interesting the 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:26.840 unfunded mandate language in here because all I see is a 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:27.440 whole lot of 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.079 cash coming to the city that the polls are already there 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.440 for the most part and 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.409 so I see this as a cash cow not necessarily an unfunded 00:41:36.409 --> 00:41:37.599 mandate and the 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.699 fact that people would be able to get coverage that they 00:41:40.699 --> 00:41:41.840 normally that they 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:45.250 don't have now I think is positive because again a lot of 00:41:45.250 --> 00:41:46.119 people are going 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.000 away from landlines. We don't have any more wires going 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.000 across the streets. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.480 When if bad weather hits and pulls down the pole there's 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:57.000 going to be another 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.239 pole somewhere close by that has the module on it that will 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:01.159 be able to pick 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:04.949 up the signal so that we don't have any phone outages so I 00:42:04.949 --> 00:42:06.159 see this as a big 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.559 positive and it's too bad the city didn't or cities in 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:10.559 Texas didn't act 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:14.900 fast enough to put it in themselves and to give the 00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:16.199 opportunity for the 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.760 companies to do this to begin with I mean you snooze you 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:21.239 lose in this you 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.230 know in this world and so I think that's I think what this 00:42:24.230 --> 00:42:25.199 what the state is 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:31.199 doing is it's it's time to up your game so to speak. 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:31.519 Commissioner Beck. Thank you 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.030 chair. Just for clarification for Commissioner Shulman I 00:42:34.030 --> 00:42:35.760 wasn't opposed to the 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.820 improvement of cellular in fact I agree that it is going 00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:40.199 forward landlines are 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.980 dying out I just didn't understand why telecommunications 00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:44.679 company felt like 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.510 they needed to circumvent cities and go straight to the 00:42:47.510 --> 00:42:48.440 state and a lot of the 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.869 stuff in here looks good you know that where they want to 00:42:51.869 --> 00:42:52.760 put them how they 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.260 want to put them the restrictions that they allow but there 00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:55.960 are going to be 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.800 nuances within each area that we don't get to deal with now 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:00.880 we've got to follow 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.369 this strict line but I don't know that the cities would be 00:43:05.369 --> 00:43:06.079 opposed to this I 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.739 know if they brought it to us as a body I wouldn't be 00:43:08.739 --> 00:43:11.280 opposed to it I just I see 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.630 this is one more effort to just kind of you know get state 00:43:15.630 --> 00:43:17.239 overreach into local 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.730 communities and diminish what local control we have left. 00:43:20.730 --> 00:43:21.920 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.730 Again my point is is that when the city goes through 00:43:25.730 --> 00:43:27.800 contracting services and 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.280 they go through the process of which city which company is 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.519 going to be allowed 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:37.690 to provide the service then we start getting into areas 00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:39.119 that can cause all 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.670 kinds of conflict as we know a former council member who 00:43:43.670 --> 00:43:45.599 had a single wire run 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.719 to his business for high-speed internet that nobody in that 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:51.480 area had and I think 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.320 there was a conflict that should have been looked at at the 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:56.159 time so this takes 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.409 that off the table because now it's not up to the city to 00:43:59.409 --> 00:44:00.579 determine what 00:44:00.579 --> 00:44:04.309 provider is going to do what you just got all you know you 00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:05.400 got to let whoever 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:10.510 comes in put up the the nodes in and go with it so I think 00:44:10.510 --> 00:44:12.079 it solves a lot of 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.510 those political issues that sometimes get in the way of the 00:44:16.510 --> 00:44:18.039 commercial side of 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.329 it and it's now out of the hands of the City Council and it 00:44:22.329 --> 00:44:23.840 's a state law and 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.179 City Council people don't have to deal with it that's my 00:44:28.179 --> 00:44:33.199 opinion. It's my turn. 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:38.630 I see kind of both sides and I understand the concern I see 00:44:38.630 --> 00:44:39.039 it as a 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.849 revenue or potential revenue for the city and also just 00:44:42.849 --> 00:44:43.800 kind of in the 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:48.369 presentation we've just talked about is if every city can 00:44:48.369 --> 00:44:50.000 dictate how they want 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.909 the node to look and what kind of features it is and have 00:44:52.909 --> 00:44:53.679 to go through 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.719 every single municipality over the state as to whether it's 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.000 silver or black or 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.409 brown and whether what size it is what feature it is 00:45:01.409 --> 00:45:02.800 whether it's an historical 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.599 district or not the nightmare that that would be in the 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.159 amount of time at every 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:13.039 single Commission meeting throughout our state I'm sure 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:13.599 everybody sits here 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:18.860 and goes well the state overreach but AT&T is a national 00:45:18.860 --> 00:45:19.480 company they got to 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:24.150 do this in 50 states much less how many thousands hundreds 00:45:24.150 --> 00:45:24.920 of thousands of 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.989 every single community designing how they want to do their 00:45:28.989 --> 00:45:30.480 nodes. I understand 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.980 there's areas in our city we would have a very specific 00:45:32.980 --> 00:45:34.119 requirement of what we'd 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.210 like to see and yet where are you gonna get coverage some 00:45:37.210 --> 00:45:38.239 people don't have land 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.460 lines safety issues you know you have emergency you don't 00:45:42.460 --> 00:45:43.119 have cell coverage 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:47.639 you're just out of luck so it's it's a complicated issue 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.440 and I think sometimes 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.800 you know you just have to look at it that sometimes you've 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.480 got to get some 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.849 things done and maybe it doesn't fit everybody's purview of 00:45:54.849 --> 00:45:55.800 how you'd like to 00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.329 see it done but also on the flip side it would require a 00:45:59.329 --> 00:46:00.599 tremendous amount of 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.519 time to roll this out through every single city in state of 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:05.440 Texas much less 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:10.469 nationwide to come up with a program for each municipality 00:46:10.469 --> 00:46:11.320 that met their 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.769 criteria through all the different committees that they 00:46:13.769 --> 00:46:14.440 have to go through 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.030 we're going to go through two or three committees looks 00:46:17.030 --> 00:46:18.119 like before it goes to 00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:23.269 City Council so that would just be my two cents on this as 00:46:23.269 --> 00:46:24.719 well so I don't 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.750 just we have much of a voice other than we've got a 00:46:26.750 --> 00:46:28.039 presentation and it moves on 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:34.480 to do the process so with that I guess that will end our 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.280 presentation on this 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.469 item and move us on to what other work session items we 00:46:40.469 --> 00:46:42.199 have the next item is a 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.409 discussion on small area plans and I will invite Ron Ming 00:46:45.409 --> 00:46:48.480 ida to the podium 00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:08.159 thank you sir Shannon presentation on here chair members of 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:08.920 the Commission 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.840 thank you for the opportunity this is a response to a 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.360 request from a past 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.260 commissioner I believe regarding small your plans basically 00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:18.360 the question is how 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:22.210 does a smaller plan get created how do we start a smaller 00:47:22.210 --> 00:47:24.840 plan and also what we 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:29.289 have done so far to date so just as a way of background we 00:47:29.289 --> 00:47:30.519 have the den plan 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.559 2030 which again as you all know was adopted in 2015 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.320 February 2015 and in the 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.980 plan it establishes the actions in which smaller your plans 00:47:39.980 --> 00:47:41.400 smaller planning is 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:45.699 started in the plan there are chapters that speak to 00:47:45.699 --> 00:47:47.800 smaller your planning and 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.190 actually identifies focus areas where the plan identifies 00:47:52.190 --> 00:47:53.719 areas within the city 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.610 that could turn into smaller plans that would benefit and 00:47:58.610 --> 00:48:00.519 can start that initial 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:07.969 analysis so a smaller your plan our smaller plans is really 00:48:07.969 --> 00:48:08.920 an extension of 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:14.110 the den plan 2030 and implementing its vision for the for 00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:15.280 the citizens in the 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.820 vision community vision statement it involves community 00:48:18.820 --> 00:48:20.119 input develops a 00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.090 context specific action for that area it involves 00:48:24.090 --> 00:48:26.199 collecting and analyzing 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.550 existing conditions data evaluating the area and then 00:48:29.550 --> 00:48:31.199 developing the actions and 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.920 recommendations that could benefit and help that that area 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.360 address the issues 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:44.059 and offer the opportunities that it needs so why a way of 00:48:44.059 --> 00:48:45.440 example I've 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:51.039 brought the small air plans that we have currently adopted 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:52.119 in the city 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.010 we've got four the first one is the fry Street area plan 00:49:02.010 --> 00:49:05.719 smaller plan which was 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:12.079 adopted in 1999 and of course this area is right in there 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:13.239 north of University on 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:18.920 Hickory and fry Street the second one is the Dina small 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:20.920 area plan and that was 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:25.449 adopted in 2001 and this is for the Dini area just south of 00:49:25.449 --> 00:49:26.920 I-35 in the area 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:37.440 right next to UNT and just west of 377 the next one is the 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:38.619 downtown master 00:49:38.619 --> 00:49:43.670 plan and this was adopted in 2003 this covers the area 00:49:43.670 --> 00:49:46.119 primarily along the 00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:52.000 downtown area by South the University Eagle Carroll as well 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.079 as Bell Street and 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.789 again I don't have a map for each one of these but again 00:49:56.789 --> 00:49:58.599 the examples that I've 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.280 passed out there are the smaller plans that again were 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.400 adopted in the past 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:09.360 years the more recent one is the downtown implementation 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:09.960 plan and this 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.150 was adopted in 2010 and this just takes the downtown master 00:50:14.150 --> 00:50:15.400 plan further and 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.780 offers implementation strategies and recommendations to 00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:20.119 move forward out of 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.739 this implementation plan we are in the midst of 00:50:23.739 --> 00:50:26.159 implementing and installing 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:31.059 wayfinding signage in the downtown it also was directed to 00:50:31.059 --> 00:50:32.039 work on Hickory 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:35.070 Street which you see is doing fairly well and this came out 00:50:35.070 --> 00:50:36.360 of the downtown 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.500 implementation plan so there are other plans and actions 00:50:39.500 --> 00:50:40.679 covered in that plan 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.170 that the city is currently working on again these are just 00:50:44.170 --> 00:50:45.239 again examples I 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.519 wanted to share some real documentations that have been 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.960 adopted so far so where 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:58.179 we go from here we got four currently some of them are 00:50:58.179 --> 00:51:00.440 fairly older in the 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.519 sense that the first one was in 1999 something that we 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:04.519 probably need to be 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.659 updating as well as the Dina but we also have other areas 00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:10.159 and these focus areas 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.320 that you should see here I apologize they're really hard to 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:14.800 see again the goal 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:19.309 of these focus area is to turn them into future smaller 00:51:19.309 --> 00:51:21.920 plans they cover centers 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:26.329 corridors as well as branding stations and travel centers 00:51:26.329 --> 00:51:27.920 as well they're 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.030 important community identifiers for the city and their 00:51:32.030 --> 00:51:34.199 primary purpose and our 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:38.579 charge is to see how we can increase development and infill 00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:39.199 redevelopment 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:44.329 opportunities in these areas we're trying to hear thank you 00:51:44.329 --> 00:51:45.440 chair what is 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.860 the branding station I didn't see it it's it's it's an area 00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:51.000 where as people 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.679 drive into the city it's it's a gateway center essentially 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:56.480 where it's a an 00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.400 entrance into the city branding the city can you give us an 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:00.920 example probably to 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.380 from the north coming south you know we've got 77 that will 00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:04.840 probably be a 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.349 branding center as you as you come into the city you're 00:52:07.349 --> 00:52:08.679 entering the city now 00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.150 it's not fully developed that's that's the reason why we 00:52:11.150 --> 00:52:12.000 want to do maybe a 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.159 small airplane to identify what we can do to improve that 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:16.400 area and create more 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:21.510 of a gateway and entry into the city branding it as the as 00:52:21.510 --> 00:52:22.880 the city of Den 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.480 okay thank you actually there's examples in here if I'm not 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:28.199 mistaken 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:34.159 I didn't see one branding stations would be the stars and 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:35.639 right here on 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:42.869 University and 35 as you come into the city the future the 00:52:42.869 --> 00:52:45.800 loop and and 35w 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.719 gateway or Golden Triangle Mall so these stars would be our 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.119 branding stations 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:56.800 so you can see we've got a number of focus areas throughout 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.199 the city and the 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:02.030 big one that you see here of course is the downtown area we 00:53:02.030 --> 00:53:03.480 've got Frye Street 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:11.550 Den Center some of the the ones that are more visible to to 00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:13.159 most folks 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.210 actually the Golden Triangle Mall area and all the areas 00:53:17.210 --> 00:53:18.800 you see here all 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:24.760 represent an opportunity for future small area plans so as 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.360 you saw there were 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:31.019 many opportunities for smaller plans how do we prioritize 00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:32.519 ones that we want to 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.739 focus on these lists the list there you see comes from the 00:53:36.739 --> 00:53:39.360 dim plan 2030 and the 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.860 priority is is a major development opportunity that sees 00:53:42.860 --> 00:53:44.300 change in land 00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:47.960 use imminent change areas that are experiencing land use 00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:49.400 changes where it's 00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:54.639 deteriorating or being abandoned an area that expressed has 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.159 a expressed interest 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.199 by the community where there are partnership and funding 00:53:59.199 --> 00:53:59.800 opportunities 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:04.039 and last a need for the introduction of the specific desire 00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:05.400 of land use such as 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:10.659 a mixed-use development or a employment hub that sort of 00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:11.960 thing could benefit 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:15.880 from a smaller plan so taking these in this in 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.840 consideration the staff was 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.610 looking at what area we needed to focus on in one of those 00:54:23.610 --> 00:54:24.960 areas that we felt 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.949 would need that need is the small area plan area that 00:54:28.949 --> 00:54:30.619 surrounds the University 00:54:30.619 --> 00:54:34.500 North Texas and as you know this body has seen several 00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:35.940 applications come 00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:40.500 through in the area just north of UNT but we've also seen 00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:42.239 some zoning changes 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:46.590 and applications south of UNT and potential areas for 00:54:46.590 --> 00:54:48.920 development east as 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:54.969 well as west of the University so we started off looking at 00:54:54.969 --> 00:54:57.039 just the fry 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:01.170 street area and again this is the first smaller plan that 00:55:01.170 --> 00:55:02.760 we have again doctor 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:07.429 1999 it's obviously outdated there are new challenges and 00:55:07.429 --> 00:55:08.360 there are some 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:12.960 opportunities as well we started looking at this area but 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:13.920 we felt that that area 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.530 should grow or should be expanded to cover the years that 00:55:17.530 --> 00:55:18.800 we saw development 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:22.269 pressure occurring and so we started off again looking at 00:55:22.269 --> 00:55:23.880 this red boundary which 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.849 was our first attempt at identifying a expanded boundary 00:55:27.849 --> 00:55:29.880 for the small area plan 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:33.679 while we're doing this we realized that there was actually 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:34.440 development pressure 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.969 throughout the area around the University and again as I 00:55:37.969 --> 00:55:39.679 indicated some 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.119 down here opportunities for development in this area to the 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:44.559 to the west as well 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:49.670 as east we've got pressures along here north of the 00:55:49.670 --> 00:55:52.239 historic districts so what 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:56.849 we did is we drew a radius a walking radius I believe of a 00:55:56.849 --> 00:55:58.000 half mile a mile 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.900 and just drew this line and we came up with this boundary 00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:02.199 that you see here in 00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:08.360 illustrating the dark line here so this is our first 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.760 smaller plan and I am 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.719 excited to announce that the City Council last Tuesday 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.239 awarded a contract 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.780 for a consultant to work on this smaller plan with staff to 00:56:19.780 --> 00:56:21.119 develop this small 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:26.329 area plan and the scope will include an outreach plan a 00:56:26.329 --> 00:56:28.039 parcel by parcel 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:33.000 assessment of the area an alternative land use to look at 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.239 options for 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.760 development in the area as I indicated earlier there's 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:38.920 there's opportunities for 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.719 change in land use an urban design site analysis something 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:44.719 that we would like 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.699 this area to improve is its public realm and so we want to 00:56:47.699 --> 00:56:48.639 make sure that we 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:53.159 address that but of course transportation parking and 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:53.800 housing has 00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.510 also been discussed with this board and we hope to address 00:56:57.510 --> 00:56:58.800 those concerns 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.519 through the parking analysis the consultants will be 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.159 working on housing 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:08.500 analysis and transportation analysis and I want to 00:57:08.500 --> 00:57:10.840 emphasize that the 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.630 transportation and parking is a larger area so we wanted to 00:57:15.630 --> 00:57:17.199 look at the area at 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.119 a larger study area comprehensively so parking is not just 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:22.840 to the north it's 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:26.300 also to the east the south as well as the west so this is 00:57:26.300 --> 00:57:27.639 why the boundary is 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:31.170 larger than what we initially started because we wanted to 00:57:31.170 --> 00:57:32.239 make sure when we 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:39.360 address parking we address parking comprehensively also 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:40.280 included will be 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.989 before and after the visualizations as well as 00:57:43.989 --> 00:57:46.760 implementation strategies those 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.599 implementation strategies are those actions and 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.199 recommendations that I was 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.409 referring to earlier and each of those plans that you see 00:57:54.409 --> 00:57:55.599 in front of you have 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.309 those implementation strategies it's important to not just 00:57:59.309 --> 00:58:00.360 develop the plan 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.630 but have the strategies in order to implement what 00:58:03.630 --> 00:58:05.440 recommendations come out 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:12.010 of the plan so this smaller plan kicked off or will be 00:58:12.010 --> 00:58:14.480 kicked off in August and 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.820 the kickoff will include a public outreach inventory and 00:58:18.820 --> 00:58:20.000 development of 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:24.000 database will follow following that will be community 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:25.159 assessment analysis and 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:28.449 this is probably most important part of this exercise is 00:58:28.449 --> 00:58:29.760 because this is where 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.409 the data is going to be collected we are going to be 00:58:32.409 --> 00:58:33.840 working with the University 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:37.719 of North Texas of course having the students in class is 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:38.639 going to help us 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.849 collect data that's more accurate so September through 00:58:41.849 --> 00:58:43.079 December is going to 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:47.000 be key we hope to start the visioning process and 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:50.039 alternative scenarios in in 00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.940 around the turn of the year so between October and March 00:58:52.940 --> 00:58:54.559 will have several 00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:00.320 activities that will include different stakeholders. 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.440 Commissioner Roselle. Thank 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.949 you. Quick question about the parking and assessing that 00:59:04.949 --> 00:59:05.760 there's been an ongoing 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.530 conversation it seems anytime we have parking requirements 00:59:08.530 --> 00:59:09.440 on new development 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:16.010 about the current multifamily developments parking capacity 00:59:16.010 --> 00:59:16.400 and 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.320 inventory maybe this is an encouragement or maybe a 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.679 question or both is it going 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.139 to be possible to get accurate numbers of the amount of 00:59:25.139 --> 00:59:26.199 parking spaces that are 00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:29.199 actually being used by these facilities so we know that 00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:30.360 when students are in 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.650 school how many parking spaces are being used because we've 00:59:33.650 --> 00:59:35.159 talked about students 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.190 don't drive anymore they get dropped off it'd be really 00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:38.000 helpful during this 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.320 process to talk to the private stakeholders in this and see 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:42.239 if they're 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.840 over building garages or if they're under building to help 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:45.679 understand the 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.210 parking. Yes I think that's that's that's part of the scope 00:59:49.210 --> 00:59:49.920 that that will be 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:54.050 included and again the timing is is critical and when we do 00:59:54.050 --> 00:59:56.360 the assessment we 00:59:56.360 --> 01:00:01.519 will include the parking counts while school is in session 01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:02.840 and look at those 01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:07.579 existing multifamilies to get a better accurate data of 01:00:07.579 --> 01:00:09.400 what is being used what 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.300 parking space are being used and and what the utilization 01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:13.159 of those parking 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:19.380 spaces are. So the goal is to start working on after we've 01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:20.000 done the 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:24.030 visioning and finalize our analysis to develop this Mario 01:00:24.030 --> 01:00:25.360 plan in the March 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.889 timeframe hopefully to bring it forward to you all and to 01:00:29.889 --> 01:00:31.440 City Council for 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:39.030 consideration in the summer of 2018. Next step briefly went 01:00:39.030 --> 01:00:40.159 through we will kick 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:46.360 off this soon again we are just last week we just got our 01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:47.880 adoption or award 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.510 of the ordinance to move forward with the consultants we 01:00:50.510 --> 01:00:51.239 are currently 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:55.639 establishing a steering committee that is that will include 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:56.880 representation from 01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.429 the various stakeholders within the area residents business 01:01:00.429 --> 01:01:01.320 owners property 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:07.280 owners students bicyclists everyone that has a stake in 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:11.199 that area are going to be 01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.940 considered for the steering committee. We also will be 01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:16.360 having stakeholder 01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:20.079 interviews and forming our technical advisory committee 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:21.079 these are the folks 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:26.090 that have the technical data and input so we're not working 01:01:26.090 --> 01:01:27.199 in a vacuum it 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:31.090 includes all the departments within the city and so we're 01:01:31.090 --> 01:01:32.400 hoping to put that 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:36.800 team together and then lastly again to re-emphasize the 01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:37.880 community assessment is 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.179 key we want to get that started so that we have data to 01:01:41.179 --> 01:01:42.960 work from to start 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.510 drafting some recommendations and implementations for this 01:01:46.510 --> 01:01:47.239 area so that 01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:52.079 we can get ahead at least of the curve to develop whatever 01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.039 standards and policies 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.019 that we need to address those concerns that we've heard 01:01:57.019 --> 01:01:58.079 recently with this 01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:02.440 board and I believe that was my last excuse me that was my 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:02.440 last 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:06.880 line I'd be happy to answer any questions. 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:13.679 Commissioner Beck. Just curious we know how this steering 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:14.400 committee is going to 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:18.829 be selected what's the process and we've we've we've 01:02:18.829 --> 01:02:19.639 consulted with our 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:23.519 consultants and they said that we should have at least 20 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.679 to 25 people in this 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.110 steering committee seems a lot to me but we're gonna reach 01:02:29.110 --> 01:02:30.400 out to as many people 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:34.110 as possible we've internally with staff have identified a 01:02:34.110 --> 01:02:36.000 list of steering 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.840 committee members but we're also going to be seeking 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:39.960 nominations from our 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.300 council to also get their input so it will be a wide range 01:02:44.300 --> 01:02:45.480 of representation 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:49.710 once we receive a complete list we'll be able to make sure 01:02:49.710 --> 01:02:52.320 we've got a wide array 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.849 of representation so that not only will they be 01:02:55.849 --> 01:02:58.079 representing their group or 01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:02.300 their state but they will be hopefully objective to 01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:04.360 proposing and guiding this 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:08.760 this process objectively. What's that public outreach look 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:09.639 like? Are we going to put 01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:12.420 something on our website, the city's website? Will there be 01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:12.840 something in the 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.940 newspaper? It's gonna be all the above. Okay. We're gonna 01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:16.559 we're gonna try to get 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:20.090 as much input as possible have community meetings at the 01:03:20.090 --> 01:03:21.599 small area plan area and 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:27.670 again involve as many stakeholders as possible. Good thank 01:03:27.670 --> 01:03:28.400 you. 01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:37.400 All right thank you Ron. So the final presentation for work 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.639 session we left 01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:45.639 you almost an hour is a discussion on our construction 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.159 criteria manual by John 01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.389 Davis. I think while John's getting ready it's a good time 01:03:50.389 --> 01:03:52.239 for us let's break and 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.750 grab our food and then we won't have to interrupt you and 01:03:54.750 --> 01:03:55.800 you can just have the 01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:01.760 full remainder. So at 537 we'll take a short break and get 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:02.320 some food and get 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.159 back as quick as we can. 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:20.980 Good evening and welcome back to the Planning and Zoning 01:04:20.980 --> 01:04:21.480 Work Session 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:34.079 Commission meeting. Call us back to order at 545. Thank you 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.800 Mr. Chairman, 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.349 Commissioners. I'm here to talk with you about the small 01:04:38.349 --> 01:04:39.440 cell no that was a 01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:47.119 previous talk. I'm sorry. Bad joke. Actually you have to 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:48.159 blame Jennifer and 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:53.349 Chandria and for me for me being back here tonight and all 01:04:53.349 --> 01:04:54.239 they didn't think 01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:58.989 you they thought I talked too slow last time. Jennifer 01:04:58.989 --> 01:05:01.119 thinks I short-changed you 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:05.949 by not going over the construction manual and Chandria 01:05:05.949 --> 01:05:07.079 worked the your 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.880 agenda around so I could be here tonight. So you've got to 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:12.360 blame both of them. But 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:16.929 here I'm really I'm here to go over the proposed changes in 01:05:16.929 --> 01:05:18.119 the construction 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.159 manual with you. There have been a couple of little changes 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:21.760 since then. 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:25.070 Commissioner Beck and Commissioner Ellis pointed out a 01:05:25.070 --> 01:05:27.400 couple of things that we 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:31.519 corrected up there and all. This is not nearly as long as 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:34.039 last time. It's less 01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:37.570 than half the length of it so I hope that I can get through 01:05:37.570 --> 01:05:38.480 it and not hold 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:44.610 you up any tonight this evening. The major changes that are 01:05:44.610 --> 01:05:45.400 in your agenda 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.949 have been updated a little more definition there a little 01:05:50.949 --> 01:05:51.480 more 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:57.719 identification of some more minor detailed changes there. 01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:59.460 The construction 01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:02.090 manual has three sections public works construction 01:06:02.090 --> 01:06:03.519 building construction and 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:07.489 parking lot construction. The section one and three are 01:06:07.489 --> 01:06:09.360 engineering items and 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.530 section two is building inspection items there. It's a 01:06:13.530 --> 01:06:16.119 general instruction book to 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:22.219 developers and engineers and architects on how to prepare 01:06:22.219 --> 01:06:24.159 plans and what the 01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:28.960 general process is in preparing and getting your plans 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.519 approved there. Page 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:40.219 four well here on page one three the overview just some 01:06:40.219 --> 01:06:42.159 cleanup and update 01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:47.809 there referencing the current codes and some of the names 01:06:47.809 --> 01:06:49.960 here. We've encouraged 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:54.469 new and innovative products and construction methods there 01:06:54.469 --> 01:06:54.960 but we 01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.570 indicate that review of an evaluation of those things may 01:06:58.570 --> 01:06:59.920 take longer than the 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:08.369 normal process. Under public works construction the 01:07:08.369 --> 01:07:10.119 responsibility just 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:14.739 identifying that the design engineer or the architect is 01:07:14.739 --> 01:07:16.360 responsible or liable 01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:21.019 for all of those and the city is not assuming any design 01:07:21.019 --> 01:07:22.639 responsibility with 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:28.360 its review there. We've changed from street plan and 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:30.360 profile requiring grades 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:36.440 at 50 foot intervals instead of at 100 foot intervals 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.519 previously and there was 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.920 no oversight before now we ask for thickness of the 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.480 pavement as well as the 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:52.639 type of pavement. Topography there asking in addition to 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.119 the 100 year flood limits 01:07:54.119 --> 01:08:00.159 the elevations of those limits also in those areas. At 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.679 identification of the when 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:07.389 a development contract is required is required before a 01:08:07.389 --> 01:08:08.719 final plaque can be 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.769 submitted for approval by the Planning and Zoning 01:08:11.769 --> 01:08:14.000 Commission by your commission 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:23.420 here. Exhibits the previously we had only exhibit A and we 01:08:23.420 --> 01:08:26.319 have exhibit B for 01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:31.239 the developer contract. Exhibit A denotes the public 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:33.359 infrastructure that will be 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:38.489 constructed and gives a cost estimate for those. Exhibit B 01:08:38.489 --> 01:08:40.560 provides the private 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.609 infrastructure that will be provided there. Site 01:08:43.609 --> 01:08:46.359 infrastructure there's the 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:52.699 difference in how our fees are computed there for the 01:08:52.699 --> 01:08:55.279 inspection fees on it. We 01:08:55.279 --> 01:09:01.970 inspect our inspectors inspect private parking lots for BJs 01:09:01.970 --> 01:09:03.760 , other fast food 01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:07.619 places and restaurants around town commercial places as 01:09:07.619 --> 01:09:08.880 well as the public 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.970 roadways that are being constructed and the water and sewer 01:09:11.970 --> 01:09:12.800 that are being 01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:18.920 constructed for public acceptance there. 01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:27.689 And a clarification of the how the inspection fee is 01:09:27.689 --> 01:09:29.880 computed here at three 01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.819 and a half percent of both the public improvements and the 01:09:32.819 --> 01:09:33.920 private improvements 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:38.619 that are to be inspected by the Public Works Inspection 01:09:38.619 --> 01:09:44.000 Group. Here's some word 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:50.289 smithing and we require now eight sets of plans instead of 01:09:50.289 --> 01:09:51.760 four sets to be 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.470 submitted hardcopy plans to be submitted for signing and 01:09:55.470 --> 01:09:57.279 stamping as accepted by 01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:01.250 the city for construction. The city keeps two of those sets 01:10:01.250 --> 01:10:02.680 for itself and returns 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:06.329 six sets to the developer and the contractor there and if 01:10:06.329 --> 01:10:07.359 they want more 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.779 sets they can bring more and have those but they usually 01:10:10.779 --> 01:10:12.039 distribute them of 01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:16.020 course to the design engineer the contractor and subs on 01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:17.159 the project there. 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:21.460 You may have a roadway contractor, a pipeline contractor 01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:23.119 that does sanitary sewer 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:28.930 and storm drainage and another contractor who does water 01:10:28.930 --> 01:10:33.560 lines. Some 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:37.779 topics that are covered in the pre-construction meeting and 01:10:37.779 --> 01:10:38.479 just some 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:43.539 word smithing there indicating that the people who are 01:10:43.539 --> 01:10:45.239 noted below in the 01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:49.039 required attendance section or need to attend the pre-const 01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:50.159 ruction meeting 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:56.260 there. Material submittals we require a submittal of 01:10:56.260 --> 01:10:58.239 materials that are going to 01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:01.819 be used on the job so we can check to make sure that they 01:11:01.819 --> 01:11:02.960 are acceptable 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:08.479 materials by the city before they're ordered and delivered 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:09.800 to the job. Here in 01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:13.819 this case we used to require three sets we require one set 01:11:13.819 --> 01:11:14.960 now preferably 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:23.920 electronically. Adding that the traffic control plan should 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:24.840 be in compliance 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:30.189 with the Texas manual of uniform traffic control devices 01:11:30.189 --> 01:11:34.600 there. Street closure 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:38.789 indicating that contractor needs to contact the inspector 01:11:38.789 --> 01:11:40.359 48 hours prior to 01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:45.319 closure that's two hours or less and a minimum of one week 01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:47.359 ahead of time for 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:52.270 closures that exceed two hours there. If you're going to 01:11:52.270 --> 01:11:53.640 have it closed more 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.710 than two hours we've got a lot more people that need to be 01:11:56.710 --> 01:11:58.319 notified. Emergency 01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:04.489 services need to be notified in those areas there. Abbrevi 01:12:04.489 --> 01:12:06.520 ation of the North 01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:15.039 Central Texas cog. Field changes change orders in the field 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:17.039 how to process those 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:21.220 simply that they've got to be reviewed and approved by the 01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:22.520 design engineer 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:26.489 prior to submitting to the city and then routed through the 01:12:26.489 --> 01:12:27.479 city and to the 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:35.470 inspectors there. And section 2 building construction is 01:12:35.470 --> 01:12:38.800 basically a general 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:44.399 process that is required by building inspection. 01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:50.359 Adding the energy code and the property maintenance code 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:51.319 that the 01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:59.819 city has. It's really the primary purpose of most of the 01:12:59.819 --> 01:13:00.920 changes in this section 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:05.619 are to update the section to fit the new codes there and 01:13:05.619 --> 01:13:06.640 the city's 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:12.390 requirements. Here we list each of the city's adopted codes 01:13:12.390 --> 01:13:13.560 for the electrical 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:19.390 code, the building code, and fire code, and plumbing code, 01:13:19.390 --> 01:13:23.399 and so forth. New 01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.810 location for the building inspection department or division 01:13:27.810 --> 01:13:29.680 there. Change in 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:33.680 nomenclature from new single to one and two family 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:36.800 residential and that we now 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:43.039 submit require submittal plans electronically via the city 01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:43.159 's 01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:49.260 e-track it system and project dock system. And then goes 01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:51.119 through and shows 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:56.100 what we currently require for those plans. General 01:13:56.100 --> 01:13:58.600 requirements of the plans 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:04.409 and what are generally required on the plans there. Energy 01:14:04.409 --> 01:14:06.640 code requirement. 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:14.680 Previously, Mr. Beck noted that even a simple engineer like 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.039 I could tell that 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:21.960 joists are not part of the wall section there and that ra 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:23.520 fter sizes aren't part 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:27.939 of wall section. But he happily pointed out that hey those 01:14:27.939 --> 01:14:29.079 don't seem to fit in 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:34.000 the wall section. So we set up a new framing section and 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:35.760 included the roofing 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:40.140 portions in that framing section there. Thank you for 01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:41.600 pointing that out. 01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:49.920 Going on through electrical stormwater construction site 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:55.560 surveys, the utility 01:14:55.560 --> 01:15:03.399 site plan, the construction plan submittal for commercial. 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:04.319 The first part 01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:07.680 that I went through was for residential one and two family 01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:08.439 residential 01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:14.409 structures. Now these are for the commercial. Again using 01:15:14.409 --> 01:15:15.159 submit them 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:20.140 through project docs using the trac it tool and then 01:15:20.140 --> 01:15:22.000 updating the requirements 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:29.640 for plans and sections of plans there for those areas. 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:38.720 On site permit requirements updating that section. You will 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:40.319 recall that this 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:46.039 this document was last updated in February of 2002 I 01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:47.760 believe it was. So 01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:53.989 it's a lot of updating over 15 years there. We don't call 01:15:53.989 --> 01:15:55.420 it clearing and 01:15:55.420 --> 01:16:02.520 grading and landscaping anymore it's a site plan permit. 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:04.880 New hours are current 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:10.939 hours for the inspection requests. John pause on that. I 01:16:10.939 --> 01:16:12.560 think that's changed I 01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:17.630 think. I think now permit requests have to be turned in by 01:16:17.630 --> 01:16:21.359 4 p.m. Okay. 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:30.439 All right thank you. Next day. I think that's just changing 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:31.000 the last couple 01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:39.140 weeks. Can't keep up with those planners. Always sending 01:16:39.140 --> 01:16:43.479 memos. I'm glad they send 01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:47.250 the memos we just try hard to keep up with all of them 01:16:47.250 --> 01:16:48.119 sometimes. 01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:57.539 That's just been a few. Glad to get home. We don't want to 01:16:57.539 --> 01:16:59.720 do that. You don't want to hear 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:11.949 me drone on and on. Yes sir. Thank you chair. Commissioner 01:17:11.949 --> 01:17:14.359 Beck. On final 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:17.890 inspection Jay it says third-party tester must provide 01:17:17.890 --> 01:17:18.920 forms to verify 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:22.199 energy co-compliance prior to release of final inspection. 01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:23.479 Can you tell us what a 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:27.760 third-party integer tester is and what exactly do they do 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:29.199 and is it mandated by 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:35.239 the city? No. No sir I can't. I'm sorry. 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:43.180 Nobody can. I can. Can you? Sure. Okay what is a third- 01:17:43.180 --> 01:17:45.640 party? They may be can as well. 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.140 City requires third-party energy testers to be registered 01:17:49.140 --> 01:17:51.119 with the city and 01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:57.079 they're the ones that do the initial analysis of our plans 01:17:57.079 --> 01:17:57.960 that it'll meet 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.970 the proposed energy code and then they will come out at the 01:18:00.970 --> 01:18:02.560 end of the job on 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.979 residential structures and do a what's called a blower door 01:18:06.979 --> 01:18:07.680 test and a 01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:13.399 blaster test and certify that the structure is in 01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:14.720 compliance with the 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:19.199 pre-designed type fitting in other words. It meets the 01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:21.119 requirements and they will 01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.270 certify that on a city of Denton has been a city of Denton 01:18:24.270 --> 01:18:25.359 form and you hand 01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:28.149 that to your building inspector for your part of your final 01:18:28.149 --> 01:18:29.439 . Okay. 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:39.319 Thank you. About at least $500 a house. Money will spend. 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:40.520 It's just money. 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:44.529 It's another another fee. For the homeowner I'm sure. Thank 01:18:44.529 --> 01:18:47.600 you Mr. Chair. Yeah. I had no idea. 01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:58.420 Glad to help. I have a question there on your plumbing 01:18:58.420 --> 01:19:02.560 rough. In this we no longer 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:08.199 allow air tests on on plumbing anymore. That's my 01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.159 understanding from the 01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:14.760 building inspection. Okay that's great as long as you've 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:16.159 got water service there 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:20.250 sometimes you run a delay from when you initially request 01:19:20.250 --> 01:19:21.840 your utilities to be 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:28.529 able to get a water meter set but just a question. We've 01:19:28.529 --> 01:19:29.479 done that in a number of 01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:32.850 instances before to put an air test on things to keep a 01:19:32.850 --> 01:19:34.079 project moving while 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:41.170 we're waiting for utilities to be connected especially if 01:19:41.170 --> 01:19:42.560 you've got to 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.079 move a tap or something like that that it's going to be in 01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:47.239 a approach or the 01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:49.899 sidewalk or whatever and it needs to be relocated before 01:19:49.899 --> 01:19:51.039 they'll set up a water 01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:55.359 meter but just an observation. 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:16.600 I'm sorry I'm a slow writer also. 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:26.199 And their foundation are pier hole inspections, exterior 01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:27.000 sheathing and 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:30.760 wind bracing inspections. Would you go back as was the 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:32.079 minimum finished floor 01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:36.189 up there at the beginning too? Did I miss that? I remember 01:20:36.189 --> 01:20:37.720 reading it the other night. 01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:43.319 It was just a question as to what is required for that. 01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.970 I'm sorry what section is that in now? Right there on 01:20:50.970 --> 01:20:51.880 foundation right here. 01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:57.430 See on foundation where it says a form board survey. It 01:20:57.430 --> 01:20:59.119 doesn't specifically 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:02.869 require what's called an elevation certificate and 01:21:02.869 --> 01:21:04.279 sometimes we have a 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:08.619 requirement that we've got to have an elevation certificate 01:21:08.619 --> 01:21:10.000 and I don't know 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:13.210 if that needs to be clarified so it's clear as to what is 01:21:13.210 --> 01:21:14.560 actually going to be 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:19.420 required there versus just a what's called an FFE where 01:21:19.420 --> 01:21:20.399 they just put the 01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.899 elevation on there versus the actual elevation certificate 01:21:23.899 --> 01:21:24.920 paperwork. It's a 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:29.979 FEMA form that has to be filled out on how that's going to 01:21:29.979 --> 01:21:31.359 be implemented in 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:35.380 regards to being close to drainage. I think there's a 01:21:35.380 --> 01:21:36.720 requirement if it's been 01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:40.460 200 feet or something like that of floodplain or next to 01:21:40.460 --> 01:21:41.880 drainage easement 01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:45.140 but I don't believe the new and when I read it the other 01:21:45.140 --> 01:21:46.039 night in the new 01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:48.449 requirements it talks anywhere in there about an elevation 01:21:48.449 --> 01:21:49.479 certificate which is 01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:52.960 I think what's currently required. 01:21:55.840 --> 01:22:00.760 It's more expensive it'd be nice just to get an FFE but 01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:03.239 that may not meet the 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:05.529 requirement so I think it needs to be clear because I've 01:22:05.529 --> 01:22:06.319 had a run into that 01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:09.220 before at the end is you think you're getting a final and 01:22:09.220 --> 01:22:10.319 then you're required 01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:14.579 to get a elevation certificate and have to wait a week to 01:22:14.579 --> 01:22:16.239 get one. I know in 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:21.720 other areas basically the elevation certificate is required 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:22.399 when you're in a 01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:26.180 flood zone or immediately adjacent that's a very good point 01:22:26.180 --> 01:22:27.520 about making a 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:31.649 clarification and covering that in this section here. Thank 01:22:31.649 --> 01:22:32.640 you. 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:43.569 Commissioner Beck. Thank You Chair. On 23 here I wrote a 01:22:43.569 --> 01:22:46.399 note. It says on certificates of 01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:51.920 occupancy D2 a written request shall be submitted including 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:52.960 a list of remaining 01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:56.369 items with a completion date for each item. Who submits the 01:22:56.369 --> 01:22:58.199 written request for 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:02.369 temporary certificate of occupancy? The builder or the home 01:23:02.369 --> 01:23:04.720 owner? Contractor. 01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:11.640 Okay. I'm sorry where was that? It was on 23 D2 under 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:12.760 temporary certificate of 01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:17.920 occupancy. I was just 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:43.220 clear on who had to submit that. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I 01:23:43.220 --> 01:23:43.560 think up above there 01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.329 before you move on I think there was a question I had on 01:23:46.329 --> 01:23:47.039 insulation 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.039 inspection. 01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:06.180 It's not in that. There was another section somewhere. That 01:24:06.180 --> 01:24:09.520 one's fine. You 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:13.560 may be correct in the one that I had last time for you I 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:14.479 think it actually 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:19.720 said before sheetrock drywall is installed and before roof 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:20.399 ing is 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:23.939 installed. I said wait a second that's not quite. That's 01:24:23.939 --> 01:24:25.000 what it was. I remember 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.069 when I read it I thought that's not an exact definition so 01:24:28.069 --> 01:24:29.840 that one is correct. 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.520 The one that was in the backup was not. So thank you for 01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:34.520 the catch on that 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:38.399 already. Sure. I think it was someone's fingers were a 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.119 little faster than their 01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:46.890 thoughts. On the landscape is there still a do you all 01:24:46.890 --> 01:24:49.960 still allow delays on those 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:54.720 for weather? Okay. 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:26.930 And then clarifying what the current requirement for 01:25:26.930 --> 01:25:28.119 temporary certificate 01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:40.079 of occupancy is. And since your last since I brought it to 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:42.399 you last we've 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:46.550 changed the building inspection has changed the paragraph 01:25:46.550 --> 01:25:47.319 title from 01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:51.319 interpretations to code amendments and I think we may still 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:52.520 need to work a little 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:58.310 bit on that wording for the title. Basically it identifies 01:25:58.310 --> 01:25:59.399 a number of 01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:03.279 situations not all situations but a number of situations 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:04.279 where the city 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:08.069 requires a permit or does not require a permit. And 01:26:08.069 --> 01:26:11.079 Commissioner Ellis last time 01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:16.270 I was with you appropriately pointed out that she gets a 01:26:16.270 --> 01:26:18.520 lot of questions. Do I 01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:22.569 need a permit for a fence? Yes and so we've added that 01:26:22.569 --> 01:26:24.680 section here. Probably 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:29.170 need to reword that a little bit more to make it something 01:26:29.170 --> 01:26:31.119 like you do need to 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.649 apply for a permit application fencing fence permit 01:26:34.649 --> 01:26:36.560 application is required for 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:41.260 this or something like that. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you 01:26:41.260 --> 01:26:43.079 chair and on that we're 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:45.609 talking about new fencing, repairs to fencing, replacement 01:26:45.609 --> 01:26:46.399 of fencing or all 01:26:46.399 --> 01:26:51.560 fencing. Right I mean is it all fencing anything regarding 01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:53.720 fencing or? I don't 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:57.600 believe repairs to fencing are required basically what the 01:26:57.600 --> 01:26:58.640 city is looking for 01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:02.409 is to ensure that you're not about to fence over an eas 01:27:02.409 --> 01:27:04.119 ement or in a flood zone 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:09.279 area there and if you are then we need to make you aware of 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:11.039 that easement that 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:14.670 flood zone and you can't have certain types of fencing you 01:27:14.670 --> 01:27:15.640 can't have any 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:19.350 fencing in a flood zone or a floodway that impedes the flow 01:27:19.350 --> 01:27:22.520 of water there. If you 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:26.619 fence across the floodway with a or adjacent to a floodway 01:27:26.619 --> 01:27:27.359 with a chain 01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:32.560 link fence chances are the next really severe rain we get 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.000 that debris is going 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.979 to collect against that chain link fence and knock it down. 01:27:36.979 --> 01:27:37.920 It's also going to 01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:41.430 back the water up and flood either your dwelling or someone 01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:42.720 else's property and 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:48.159 adjacent to it. Okay. Commissioner Sullivan. You have 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:48.720 another one? I'm sorry. 01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:53.729 Thank you chair. Well on that same note because we've 01:27:53.729 --> 01:27:55.039 mentioned like repairs to 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:58.119 roofing do not require I mean I think that's where the 01:27:58.119 --> 01:27:59.840 confusion is is can we 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:03.840 can we clarify something in there if somebody's repairing a 01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:04.920 fence or if 01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:08.359 they're using same fence posts and they're just replacing 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:09.359 you know I think 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.010 there's a lot of confusion out there with homeowners about 01:28:12.010 --> 01:28:12.720 who needs to do 01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:16.039 what when it comes to fencing and there's been code 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:17.439 violations written 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:22.310 questionably in my opinion on some so clarifying it here 01:28:22.310 --> 01:28:24.600 would certainly help 01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:27.760 a great deal. Sure. I'll step in because I think maybe 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:28.279 there's a little 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:32.619 miscommunication you can do very minimal repairs to fence 01:28:32.619 --> 01:28:33.960 before you have to get 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:39.600 a permit and I think it is one section or something like 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:40.920 that but I think when 01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:44.149 you have to replace post you have to get a fence permit I 01:28:44.149 --> 01:28:46.079 believe I mean it it is 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:49.119 not like you can replace half the fence and because it was 01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:50.199 there before it is 01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:54.340 and I may be speaking out of turn but it's very minor of 01:28:54.340 --> 01:28:55.159 what repairs can be 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:59.170 done before you go get a permit. I mean a lot of people are 01:28:59.170 --> 01:29:00.239 not replacing posts 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:04.119 though necessarily I mean but yeah I guess that there's a 01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:04.960 lot of confusion 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:08.399 out there right? I read through this and was thinking a lot 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:09.359 of the same questions 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:13.609 as to what's a permit and what's not. Commissioner Ellis 01:29:13.609 --> 01:29:14.520 just as we're talking 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:18.399 about this and we're talking about fences and leaving the 01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:20.000 diluted language in here 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.489 may behoove us at this time for a couple of reasons one is 01:29:23.489 --> 01:29:25.600 we are improving our 01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.649 ability to actually provide over-the-counter permits 01:29:28.649 --> 01:29:29.500 eventually so 01:29:29.500 --> 01:29:33.279 we've started off by doing over-the-counter plan review and 01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:33.840 what that 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.220 facilitates is your accessory buildings and your fence 01:29:36.220 --> 01:29:37.319 permits and what have you 01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:40.449 with the DDC amendment we're also modifying the language as 01:29:40.449 --> 01:29:41.199 it relates to 01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:44.729 parameter fencing and requirements of parameter fencing 01:29:44.729 --> 01:29:46.039 versus and materials 01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:49.750 and all that information is actually being overhauled right 01:29:49.750 --> 01:29:51.520 now. We also have 01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.029 a caveat with our fence ordinance and that's the property 01:29:54.029 --> 01:29:55.060 maintenance code the 01:29:55.060 --> 01:29:58.619 DPMC because they have specificity related to what you can 01:29:58.619 --> 01:29:59.500 and cannot do 01:29:59.500 --> 01:30:03.279 with legally non-conforming fence materials for example too 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:04.279 so our goal is 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:09.119 to clean that up and eventually this will whatever we adopt 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:09.520 will that this 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:15.880 will dovetail into that. Do you get all your questions? 01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:17.079 Commissioner Sullivan. 01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:20.180 Regarding the fences if if a permits required and the 01:30:20.180 --> 01:30:21.479 purpose of the permit 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:24.310 is to make sure you're not in a floodplain or anything of 01:30:24.310 --> 01:30:25.140 that nature does 01:30:25.140 --> 01:30:29.520 that mean that you're gonna be required to have a survey 01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.199 done in order to know 01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:34.729 where the boundary lines are and what's there or will you 01:30:34.729 --> 01:30:35.920 be able to use the 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:42.729 DCAD you know lines or I mean to get a survey of your 01:30:42.729 --> 01:30:43.960 property just to put in 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:48.770 a fence seems kind of overkill and expensive. Most of them 01:30:48.770 --> 01:30:49.760 that I've seen 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:54.880 commissioner utilize the survey that they've had already 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:56.640 done so possibly when 01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:59.470 they purchase the house or something to show that the fence 01:30:59.470 --> 01:31:00.479 is going to be along 01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:04.189 the property to make sure they know where the property line 01:31:04.189 --> 01:31:05.119 is and to make 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:08.880 sure they know where any encroachment easements are on 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:09.979 their property. So if they 01:31:09.979 --> 01:31:13.739 have an old survey they're not required to get an updated 01:31:13.739 --> 01:31:15.479 survey or anything of 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:22.600 that nature. You have to submit a copy of a site plan to 01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:26.600 get a permit. It's pretty 01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:30.600 detailed of what you have to fill out to get one. What side 01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:32.159 the pickets go on, 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:37.439 where it goes, types of materials, all those things. And 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:38.119 that brings up another 01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:43.279 point if I could at this point is and I know this is gonna 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:44.039 sound weird but I'll 01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:47.439 ask it anyway does all the people who work in the 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:49.260 department know all the 01:31:49.260 --> 01:31:53.520 requirements and know what's required up front so when they 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:54.640 talk to a home 01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:58.060 builder everybody's saying the same thing at the same time 01:31:58.060 --> 01:31:58.720 for the same 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:02.340 project. And the reason I ask that is obviously I've had 01:32:02.340 --> 01:32:03.680 experience where it 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:07.960 hasn't happened that way. I know a couple of builders 01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:09.520 because they work with my 01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:12.550 wife who draws the plans and they said okay now they're 01:32:12.550 --> 01:32:13.840 asking for this now 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:17.479 they're asking for that and a couple of people say you know 01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:18.439 every time I call up 01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:20.859 there I get somebody different and they tell me I need 01:32:20.859 --> 01:32:22.199 something different than 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:25.029 the last time I did the very same kind of thing. So I think 01:32:25.029 --> 01:32:26.119 it's very frustrating 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:30.659 you know for for the home builders and the homeowner trying 01:32:30.659 --> 01:32:32.239 to get things done. 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:34.770 Absolutely I understand the frustration Commissioner 01:32:34.770 --> 01:32:35.840 Sullivan it's actually very 01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:39.680 frustrating for staff as well. What we are doing as I 01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:40.720 mentioned earlier is 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:43.090 that we are in the process of implementing what we call a 01:32:43.090 --> 01:32:43.720 development 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:46.930 assistance center. We're gonna cross train the team that 01:32:46.930 --> 01:32:47.800 sits up front and 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:51.350 is the front face that's our front counter and they will 01:32:51.350 --> 01:32:52.239 have not you know 01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:55.159 they will have basic information as what do I need to fill 01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:56.159 out, what is required 01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:59.210 of me, what do I need to fill out, what are my next steps, 01:32:59.210 --> 01:33:00.079 I will get you in 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:04.079 touch with the right people. So we're gonna increase the 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:04.439 number the amount of 01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:08.060 face time we have with our clientele and try and take it to 01:33:08.060 --> 01:33:10.079 the next level. So yes 01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:13.170 it is frustrating I completely understand that our goal is 01:33:13.170 --> 01:33:13.760 to slowly 01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:17.159 strive and implement changes that that are lasting changes. 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:18.479 We're slowing down 01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:21.460 on the quick changes we want to move slowly and make sure 01:33:21.460 --> 01:33:22.079 that we're 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:25.579 instituting the right team and have the abilities should we 01:33:25.579 --> 01:33:26.560 have any type of 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:30.560 turnover progression of our own team moving upwards then 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:32.039 whoever does fill in 01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:35.659 their shoes that it's actually a very simple task and there 01:33:35.659 --> 01:33:36.840 will be continual 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:41.369 training and audits of our processes as well. I want to 01:33:41.369 --> 01:33:42.840 echo I think that would be 01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:46.840 a great change to speed things up I know that has been a 01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:48.760 this big part a big 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:52.470 frustration is two weeks to get a fence permit and 01:33:52.470 --> 01:33:55.239 sometimes it's like it takes 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:58.020 15 minutes to look at it but so I'm glad to hear that that 01:33:58.020 --> 01:33:58.800 's a change that's 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:02.199 coming I think it's gonna be very welcomed by the 01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:04.439 construction folks in 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:07.880 the city of Denton. Right and just to piggyback on just one 01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:08.319 last statement 01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:10.409 we've actually started doing over-the-counter review and we 01:34:10.409 --> 01:34:10.760 've had a 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.050 lot of people that have come in and so this is what I want 01:34:13.050 --> 01:34:13.680 to do and we've 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:15.710 been able to assist them so they've saved paying a fee and 01:34:15.710 --> 01:34:16.279 they've saved 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:18.609 the two-week delay and realizing maybe they cannot do what 01:34:18.609 --> 01:34:19.399 they want to do so 01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:22.300 it's been successful we've you know the pilot program has 01:34:22.300 --> 01:34:23.399 worked and we're now 01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:28.319 going to implement it to four days a week. That's great. 01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:30.319 Don't go away. 01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:39.430 Yes Commissioner as Manal said it's frustrating to us also 01:34:39.430 --> 01:34:40.479 and to the staff 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:44.270 that's giving those answers we encourage our employees to 01:34:44.270 --> 01:34:45.600 if you don't know for 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:50.880 sure go look it up before you give an answer or 01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.119 particularly take the telephone 01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:55.579 name and name and telephone number of the person and call 01:34:55.579 --> 01:34:56.520 them back check with 01:34:56.520 --> 01:35:01.800 someone else but if you don't know for sure go check it out 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.920 in the code or the 01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:10.260 criteria manual there and for me if I read it I remember it 01:35:10.260 --> 01:35:11.479 a lot better than 01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:14.439 if you tell me yes you're required to do this that and the 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:15.840 other or something it 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:18.880 sticks with me longer or something there so it's an 01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.520 educational process as we 01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:26.680 indicated before we can't write an ordinance or a criteria 01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:27.399 manual to cover 01:35:27.399 --> 01:35:31.640 every situation and no one can know all of the rules or 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:33.760 regulations or policies 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:44.579 that we have. Continue. I had a question on the siding I 01:35:44.579 --> 01:35:45.640 guess number eight there 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:49.149 here just went past it back down that's now going to 01:35:49.149 --> 01:35:50.399 require a permit looks like 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:57.479 to do that. Yes. What's the city's policy I guess I 01:35:57.479 --> 01:35:59.920 can speak for personal and you're accustomed to doing 01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:00.880 things a certain way 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.710 for a long period of time and then we have a change where 01:36:03.710 --> 01:36:04.640 it's a cosmetic 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:10.680 issue and now it requires a permit trying to keep up with 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:11.760 we've never done 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.840 that before now we've got to do it what is the policy of 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:15.880 well hey you guys 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.390 didn't pull a permit and we didn't know we've been doing it 01:36:18.390 --> 01:36:20.239 30 years doing 01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:25.750 cosmetic repairs so just when we make a change on some of 01:36:25.750 --> 01:36:26.359 these things that seem 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:29.979 like very simple for folks that have been out in the in the 01:36:29.979 --> 01:36:31.199 industry doing it 01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:33.489 a certain way for a long period of time sometimes 01:36:33.489 --> 01:36:34.840 unintentionally I think there's 01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:37.130 going to be some folks that didn't pull a permit for 01:36:37.130 --> 01:36:38.279 something that they're 01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:40.340 accustomed to not ever pulling a permit with that we've 01:36:40.340 --> 01:36:41.119 made a change in the 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:43.289 rules so just want to point that out that there's some of 01:36:43.289 --> 01:36:44.039 those things in 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:50.260 there too for to be communicated to people going forward. 01:36:50.260 --> 01:36:53.119 Yeah. I think you're 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:57.130 I think you're right also I don't think it's intended to be 01:36:57.130 --> 01:36:58.479 just for cosmetic 01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:02.699 repairs and small replacement jobs there I think it's when 01:37:02.699 --> 01:37:03.880 you're going to 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:07.289 replace the entire wall or section but I'll keep with 01:37:07.289 --> 01:37:09.520 building inspection we'll 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:14.479 get clarification on that. John can I ask a question really 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:15.520 quick I'm not sure if 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:18.819 the construction manual is where we address this or not but 01:37:18.819 --> 01:37:19.560 is there any 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:26.609 reason why we don't require gutters for homes? They're a 01:37:26.609 --> 01:37:29.920 great idea I don't sell 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:36.359 guttering but I'm a simple engineer. If it's a road bridge 01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:37.800 utility or something 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:40.810 like that or drainage I build it. Would it be? If it goes 01:37:40.810 --> 01:37:42.119 up in the air I don't 01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.609 build it. Okay because this sort of blends in building 01:37:45.609 --> 01:37:47.079 requirements with some of 01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:49.859 the public improvements so I was just wondering would this 01:37:49.859 --> 01:37:50.720 be the place where 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:54.250 we would include that requirement if we should desire to 01:37:54.250 --> 01:37:55.439 make that a requirement 01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:59.739 for future construction? Well I think it would probably be 01:37:59.739 --> 01:38:01.239 a code requirement and 01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:05.350 this would be one way to communicate that that do you need 01:38:05.350 --> 01:38:07.119 a permit to install 01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:13.079 gutters or something like that. So okay I didn't mean to 01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:14.000 put you on the spot I was 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:18.090 just I'm a homeowner. I'm dealing with gutter issues right 01:38:18.090 --> 01:38:21.500 now. So you like them 01:38:21.500 --> 01:38:26.550 or you don't like them? I like them and if they're going to 01:38:26.550 --> 01:38:28.119 be required for 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:32.220 insurance purposes they should be built with the house just 01:38:32.220 --> 01:38:38.680 saying. And we don't 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:44.399 cover swimming pools or food safety here. 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:56.880 They are gutters. I like gutters. Over the entryway and the 01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:58.119 exit way of my house so 01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:02.859 I don't get wet coming in and out. Other than that? Gee wh 01:39:02.859 --> 01:39:06.520 iz. Let it go. 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:09.720 What is the watering plan? 01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:23.550 If you want to have rain barrels you need gutters. Section 01:39:23.550 --> 01:39:25.960 three gets section 01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:28.699 three gets into our requirements our public works 01:39:28.699 --> 01:39:30.279 inspection requirements 01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:36.270 there and process for parking lot construction there. Very 01:39:36.270 --> 01:39:37.520 few changes 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:42.180 here going from three sets of plans required to one 01:39:42.180 --> 01:39:43.920 electronic set of 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:54.930 parking lot plans required. Just some wordsmithing here in 01:39:54.930 --> 01:39:58.359 this section. 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:09.840 And I think that's it. It's up to your questions. Any other 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:10.960 questions for Mr. Davis 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:14.600 while he's here? And if you have any comments or questions 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:16.000 later please feel 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.000 free to contact me. Shandria knows how to get a hold of me 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:21.520 if you don't. So just 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:23.840 for those that are listening this this is going to complete 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:24.720 the presentation 01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:28.380 for P&Z and over the next is it 30 days going forward or 01:40:28.380 --> 01:40:29.899 the 30 days started 01:40:29.899 --> 01:40:32.659 from our last meeting for public comment on all of these 01:40:32.659 --> 01:40:33.680 before it may come back 01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:38.710 to us? For the water and wastewater construction criteria 01:40:38.710 --> 01:40:39.479 manual those 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:46.369 started I think the day after your last meeting. Let me see 01:40:46.369 --> 01:40:49.920 we posted the notice 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:55.960 well here we go. For public comment July 27th through 01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:58.119 August 26th on the water 01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:01.479 and wastewater design criteria manual. We needed some 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.399 cleanup and reformatting of 01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:07.260 the construction criteria manual and to incorporate these 01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:08.600 changes that the two 01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:12.840 commissioners said pointed out we really need to make. So 01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:14.439 that one the 01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:18.520 construction manual did not get posted until August the 1st 01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:20.239 . So it's 30 days 01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:24.720 runs through August 31st there. So if anyone has any 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:26.640 comments on it they can 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:31.359 email those to me. They're posted on our city website. We 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.239 've sent notices out to 01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:37.359 our development community through the e-tracket system 01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.520 there and trying to get 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:42.600 that information out. So if you know of anyone in the 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:44.359 construction development 01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:48.310 business please feel free to encourage them to look those 01:41:48.310 --> 01:41:50.439 up. Okay so just again 01:41:50.439 --> 01:41:52.789 for those who are watching the process is going to be it's 01:41:52.789 --> 01:41:53.600 been posted it goes 01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:57.689 out if their request or changes and it comes back to PNC 01:41:57.689 --> 01:41:59.159 one more time and if 01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:03.409 there aren't any changes and it moves on am I mistaken from 01:42:03.409 --> 01:42:05.680 the? It depends on how 01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:09.779 significant those changes are. Okay. If we can work them 01:42:09.779 --> 01:42:11.039 out in the furbage or 01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.800 something there I don't think it would require coming back 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:15.600 to PNC. If it's a 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:19.840 significant change it may come back to you. Okay great. 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:21.359 Thank you for the 01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:25.329 clarification and for those who are watching I think that's 01:42:25.329 --> 01:42:27.239 our last item. So 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:34.640 at 624 we will close our work session and we'll reconvene. 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:58.449 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 01:42:58.449 --> 01:42:59.159 Zoning Commission 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:04.880 meeting for August the 9th 2017. This meeting has been duly 01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:05.760 posted and we do 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:09.810 have a quorum present and I'll call us to order at 635. Our 01:43:09.810 --> 01:43:10.840 first order of 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:14.550 business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and 01:43:14.550 --> 01:43:15.600 the Texas flag. 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:26.569 To the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 01:43:26.569 --> 01:43:28.359 one indivisible. 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:43.550 Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one 01:43:43.550 --> 01:43:52.359 state under God, one indivisible. 01:43:52.359 --> 01:43:59.810 All right. Our next order of business will be our Planning 01:43:59.810 --> 01:44:00.199 and Zoning 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:05.199 Commission meeting minutes and I believe there weren't any 01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:06.840 changes discussed in 01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:10.109 our work session so chair would entertain a motion with 01:44:10.109 --> 01:44:10.880 both sets of 01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:16.560 minutes. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve both sets of 01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:18.960 minutes. Okay. 01:44:19.079 --> 01:44:22.010 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. I'll second. Okay we 01:44:22.010 --> 01:44:23.159 have a first and a second 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:28.000 for approval. Any discussion? Seeing none we will call for 01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:30.680 a vote on the board. 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:41.840 The motion carries 5-0. That will move us on to our public 01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:42.800 hearing sections this 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:46.770 evening. I'm going to open the public hearing at this time 01:44:46.770 --> 01:44:49.060 for item A, FR 17 01:44:49.060 --> 01:44:56.079 - 0001 and I will call on Haley for presentation. 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:14.850 All right. Good evening. This is a replat for the QT 912 01:45:14.850 --> 01:45:15.920 edition. The property is 01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:19.229 located at the corner of University Drive and the I-35 01:45:19.229 --> 01:45:21.020 service road and the 01:45:21.020 --> 01:45:23.920 purpose of the plat is to expand the boundaries of an 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:25.199 existing lot by taking 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:27.989 in some unplatted property on the southern side and I can 01:45:27.989 --> 01:45:28.560 answer any 01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:35.279 questions. Any questions for staff? We got off light 01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:37.239 tonight. Thank you. This is a 01:45:37.239 --> 01:45:39.970 public hearing. Anyone who would like to come speak on this 01:45:39.970 --> 01:45:40.640 item please come 01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:46.479 forward at this time. Seeing none we will close the public 01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:47.439 hearing and I'll open 01:45:47.439 --> 01:45:52.000 the floor for discussion or motion. Commissioner Rozelle. 01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:53.239 Thank you chair. I 01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:59.210 move approval of FR 17 - 1. Commissioner Beck. I second 01:45:59.210 --> 01:46:00.840 that motion. I have a 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:06.159 first and a second for approval. Any further discussion? 01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:07.960 Seeing none I'll call 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:17.149 for a vote on board. That motion is going to carry five to 01:46:17.149 --> 01:46:20.199 zero. That will move us 01:46:20.199 --> 01:46:24.829 to our item B. I'm going to open the public hearing for FR 01:46:24.829 --> 01:46:27.960 17 - 0014 and I'll 01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:31.960 call on Julie Wyatt for presentation. 01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:47.000 Good evening. The item before you is a 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:53.489 plat of a Park 7 addition. The subject property is located 01:46:53.489 --> 01:46:54.520 at the corner of 01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:59.850 Scripture and Normal Street. The intent of the plat is to, 01:46:59.850 --> 01:47:00.560 if it will pull up, 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:06.149 there we go, is to take a platted lot and bring in some un 01:47:06.149 --> 01:47:08.359 platted property in 01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:13.949 order to develop this site. And I will stand for any 01:47:13.949 --> 01:47:20.039 questions. Thank you. Thank 01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:23.699 you. Again this is a public hearing. Anyone who would like 01:47:23.699 --> 01:47:24.520 to come before us 01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:29.279 please come down at this time to speak on this item. 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:36.800 Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Would the developers 01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:39.720 representative care to 01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:42.880 take a question from me? 01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:48.840 I'm the Allison and Allison's Chair group. I represent the 01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:51.880 project and be glad to address any questions you might have 01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:54.359 at this time. Thank you Lee. 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:59.600 Would you be willing to share any information on dimensions 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:00.720 of what they 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:03.289 plan on building there? I think we're all aware and a 01:48:03.289 --> 01:48:04.800 little sensitive to heights 01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:07.890 and stuff like that. Would you be willing to share any 01:48:07.890 --> 01:48:10.600 height dimensions? I can 01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:12.720 tell you what I know which isn't a lot at this time. We're 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:14.399 in the process of 01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:22.029 platting the site into a single lot. They're working on 01:48:22.029 --> 01:48:25.119 designs for a facility, 01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:29.340 multifamily student housing, possibly some mixed use under 01:48:29.340 --> 01:48:30.600 the current zoning 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:33.500 without making any zoning changes. So that's all I really 01:48:33.500 --> 01:48:34.600 know at this time. I 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:39.340 know they're gonna keep it as low and compact as they 01:48:39.340 --> 01:48:41.159 possibly can and meet 01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:45.130 those standards. I really don't know more than that. Okay 01:48:45.130 --> 01:48:45.880 and I appreciate that. 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:48.779 It's good to hear. You know as I mentioned this is an area 01:48:48.779 --> 01:48:49.560 that's sensitive to a 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:51.640 lot of people, a lot of people on this commission, a lot of 01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:52.479 people that live in 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:56.859 that area. So I would just ask that you share with the 01:48:56.859 --> 01:48:58.720 applicant that concern 01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:03.060 that you by right have the right to build things a certain 01:49:03.060 --> 01:49:04.319 way but just keep 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:06.880 in mind to make money to make a profit off this. I 01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:08.279 understand that too. I don't 01:49:08.279 --> 01:49:11.920 disagree with that but do keep in mind that you are gonna 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:13.600 be in an area that 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:16.770 you've got to be a good neighbor to. I understand how 01:49:16.770 --> 01:49:18.239 people feel about that 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:22.159 rather than be the neighbor that everybody wants to throw 01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:23.199 out. So just 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:26.689 for what it's worth I want to share that. Very good. Thank 01:49:26.689 --> 01:49:28.800 you Lee. Okay anything 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:35.279 else? Thank you. This is a public hearing. Anyone else that 01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:36.119 wants to speak on this 01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:40.989 item please come forward at this time. Seeing none we will 01:49:40.989 --> 01:49:42.079 close the public 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:46.479 hearing and open the floor for discussion or motion. 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.229 Chair will make a motion for approval because it meets the 01:49:55.229 --> 01:49:56.920 technical 01:49:56.920 --> 01:50:01.920 requirements of planning. Commissioner Rozelle. Second. 01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:03.680 Member first and a second 01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:10.369 for approval. Any further discussion? Seeing none we'll 01:50:10.369 --> 01:50:11.159 call for a vote on the 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:13.359 board. 01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:25.659 The motion is going to carry 5-0. I will move us to item C 01:50:25.659 --> 01:50:26.800 and I will open the 01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:33.180 public hearing on Z 17-0014 and I will call on Muzzei for 01:50:33.180 --> 01:50:34.880 presentation. 01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:46.229 The request is for zoning change for the project Duluth 01:50:46.229 --> 01:50:49.840 Trading Company in 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:55.649 Northern Tools and Plus Equipment. The site is located west 01:50:55.649 --> 01:50:57.239 of I-35 southbound 01:50:57.239 --> 01:50:59.630 service road and approximately a thousand feet south of 01:50:59.630 --> 01:51:01.520 West University Drive and 01:51:01.520 --> 01:51:05.439 applicant has requested to rezone approximately five acres 01:51:05.439 --> 01:51:06.840 from industrial 01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:12.270 center employment to a regional center commercial downtown 01:51:12.270 --> 01:51:13.600 and the zoning 01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:22.420 application meets the zoning criteria and it also meets the 01:51:22.420 --> 01:51:23.119 future land use 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.970 and it is compatible with the existing land uses that are 01:51:25.970 --> 01:51:27.760 present as well as 01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:32.000 the existing zoning district that is present majorly to the 01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:33.119 north. If you want 01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:36.239 I can go into more detail. 01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:49.810 So within approximately 200 feet of the subject property we 01:51:49.810 --> 01:51:53.760 have RCCD district 01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:57.760 immediately to the north. It is currently under 01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:00.880 construction with retail commercial 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:00.880 use. The property fronts on I-35 frontage road and it backs 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:10.279 to the KC S 01:52:10.279 --> 01:52:17.819 railroad and there is the site is ICE currently and there 01:52:17.819 --> 01:52:19.760 is ICE district on 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:23.649 the south and on the west of the property. Within 01:52:23.649 --> 01:52:25.479 approximately 500 feet 01:52:25.479 --> 01:52:34.359 of the subject property we have one more use that is also 01:52:34.359 --> 01:52:35.279 that is zone ICE 01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:39.500 district but as actually commercial use with an accessory 01:52:39.500 --> 01:52:41.000 storage building and 01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:46.510 there is a range development across the I-35 towards the 01:52:46.510 --> 01:52:48.359 east. Within 01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:53.079 approximately 1,500 feet of the subject property we have 01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:54.960 about six 01:52:54.960 --> 01:53:00.619 zoning districts which includes CMG to the northwest of 01:53:00.619 --> 01:53:02.479 University Drive 01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:05.310 and Interstate Northeast of University Drive and Interstate 01:53:05.310 --> 01:53:06.880 35. Then we have ICE 01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:11.840 district north of West University Drive and we have NR2 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:14.560 district to the west 01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:20.560 with Selwyn School and we have ICG district to the far 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:25.319 southwest. The 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:30.199 future land use map shows the future land use map for this 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:30.760 location is 01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:34.600 regional mixed use. It promotes mixed use development with 01:53:34.600 --> 01:53:35.600 the urban corrector 01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:39.439 and it applies to areas that serve as regional destinations 01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:40.960 within it promotes 01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:43.859 moderate to high density residential commercial 01:53:43.859 --> 01:53:47.640 entertainment uses with high 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:50.640 level of scale and density within the city and it is 01:53:50.640 --> 01:53:52.239 primarily located along 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:58.449 the major corridors such as the I-35. Mobility plan shows 01:53:58.449 --> 01:53:59.880 that the site will be 01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:05.149 accessed through two major roadways which are West 01:54:05.149 --> 01:54:06.800 University Drive and 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:14.529 Interstate 35 Frontage Road. Public notification was sent 01:54:14.529 --> 01:54:16.359 out it was posted 01:54:16.359 --> 01:54:20.279 in the newspaper on July 23rd and we sent out public 01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:22.399 notices within 200 feet 01:54:22.399 --> 01:54:25.340 and courtesy notices within 500 feet of the subject 01:54:25.340 --> 01:54:27.880 property and we received one 01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:31.189 response in favor of the subject property subject a 01:54:31.189 --> 01:54:32.680 proposed rezoning 01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:37.130 which was from the property owner to the west of the 01:54:37.130 --> 01:54:38.720 subject property which is 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:44.819 highlighted in green. Staff recommends approval based on 01:54:44.819 --> 01:54:46.159 the land use analysis 01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:49.369 it is compatible with surrounding land uses and immediate 01:54:49.369 --> 01:54:50.479 zoning to the north 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:56.289 and the proposal is consistent with the Denton plan 2030. I 01:54:56.289 --> 01:54:56.880 'll stand 01:54:56.880 --> 01:55:05.760 for any questions. Any questions for staff? Thank you. This 01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:06.720 is a public hearing 01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:11.119 anyone wish to speak on this item please come forward at 01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:16.079 this time. Seeing none we 01:55:16.079 --> 01:55:19.810 will close the public hearing and open the floor for 01:55:19.810 --> 01:55:21.439 discussion or motion. 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:27.970 Commissioner Beck. I move I approve this C-17-014. 01:55:27.970 --> 01:55:30.699 Commissioner Rosell. Thank you 01:55:30.699 --> 01:55:34.020 chair I will be seconding this I just wanted to maybe for 01:55:34.020 --> 01:55:34.920 the record state 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:38.189 that this slip of property here in the west of I-35 just 01:55:38.189 --> 01:55:39.199 keeps coming out 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:42.100 piecemeal to us we just had the one north of this earlier 01:55:42.100 --> 01:55:42.960 this year and now 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:46.380 we have this one and I suppose it'll just continue going 01:55:46.380 --> 01:55:47.399 south and south and 01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:50.890 every time it's gonna come back I'm pretty confident that 01:55:50.890 --> 01:55:51.619 this is one 01:55:51.619 --> 01:55:54.329 property owner that owns most of this area and so I know 01:55:54.329 --> 01:55:55.159 that there was a 01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:58.470 subcommittee that was tasked to try to look for these areas 01:55:58.470 --> 01:55:59.479 and that hasn't 01:55:59.479 --> 01:56:02.329 really come to any fruition yet but maybe there's an 01:56:02.329 --> 01:56:03.600 opportunity for this 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:07.659 specific parcel this this strip of land doesn't require so 01:56:07.659 --> 01:56:09.159 committee but maybe 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:12.300 just reaching out to the property owner and saying can we 01:56:12.300 --> 01:56:13.439 just get this taken 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:16.420 care of because we're gonna have a half dozen more of these 01:56:16.420 --> 01:56:17.399 and it feels like 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:21.210 it's a pretty logical conclusion to rezone this RCCD so I 01:56:21.210 --> 01:56:22.439 'll approve this 01:56:22.439 --> 01:56:25.170 but I'd encourage staff to get with the property owner and 01:56:25.170 --> 01:56:25.840 see if we can 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:32.210 proactively align this zone into the future land use. We 01:56:32.210 --> 01:56:33.520 have a first and a 01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:41.119 second for approval any further discussion? Seeing none we 01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:41.680 will call for 01:56:41.680 --> 01:56:44.359 a vote on board. 01:56:47.439 --> 01:56:55.720 The motion is going to carry five to zero. That will move 01:56:55.720 --> 01:57:00.520 us to our item D and I will 01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:06.100 open the public hearing for DCA 17-0008 and call on Haley 01:57:06.100 --> 01:57:06.600 for a 01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:09.840 presentation of this item. 01:57:17.600 --> 01:57:23.180 All right run through this quickly this is DCA 17-8 code 01:57:23.180 --> 01:57:27.880 amendment related to 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:31.760 medical uses. The request is to consider revisions to the 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.199 Denton Development 01:57:33.199 --> 01:57:36.819 Code specifically for amendments to sub chapters 5 and 23 01:57:36.819 --> 01:57:38.079 as they pertain to our 01:57:38.079 --> 01:57:42.000 medical land use categories and definitions. Staff is 01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:43.439 recommending these 01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:46.270 amendments to these two sub chapters to help clarify the 01:57:46.270 --> 01:57:47.159 definitions and 01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:49.880 permitted zoning districts for a variety of medical uses. 01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:51.760 We're proposing this in 01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:54.470 advance of our overall DDC update due to an increased 01:57:54.470 --> 01:57:55.680 number of requests for 01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:59.390 medical uses that don't currently fit within the zoning or 01:57:59.390 --> 01:58:00.199 the land use 01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:04.119 categories we have and as you know our medical service 01:58:04.119 --> 01:58:05.800 industry covers a wide 01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:08.510 spectrum it's ever evolving and our code currently just 01:58:08.510 --> 01:58:09.640 doesn't keep pace with 01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:14.239 that and provide appropriate land use designations. 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:16.039 Currently we have three 01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:19.359 definitions and land use categories professional services 01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:20.199 and offices is 01:58:20.199 --> 01:58:23.029 pretty much any office open for business related activities 01:58:23.029 --> 01:58:24.119 that excludes the sale 01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:27.729 of merchandise. Medical centers are defined as walk-in 01:58:27.729 --> 01:58:28.479 facilities for 01:58:28.479 --> 01:58:31.920 medical obstetrical or surgical care that are limited to 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:32.920 day use and then 01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:36.390 hospitals are any establishment providing eating and 01:58:36.390 --> 01:58:37.159 sleeping quarters 01:58:37.159 --> 01:58:42.880 for persons receiving longer-term medical care. This is an 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:44.760 example of one of those 01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:47.430 uses we discussed that doesn't fit into those current 01:58:47.430 --> 01:58:48.239 categories. 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:51.739 Freestanding emergency rooms and urgent care facilities are 01:58:51.739 --> 01:58:52.399 growing in 01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:55.819 popularity not just in Denton but around Texas. Many of 01:58:55.819 --> 01:58:57.680 these can be open for 24 01:58:57.680 --> 01:59:00.699 hours a day some of them are equipped to handle emergency 01:59:00.699 --> 01:59:01.439 vehicles such as 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:05.329 ambulances and looking at those three definitions we just 01:59:05.329 --> 01:59:06.560 went through they 01:59:06.560 --> 01:59:09.399 don't really fit perfectly within any of those categories 01:59:09.399 --> 01:59:10.640 they're precluded from 01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:13.289 being hospitals because they don't provide sleeping and 01:59:13.289 --> 01:59:14.119 eating quarters 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.970 which leaves us to permit them as a one of our other two 01:59:16.970 --> 01:59:18.159 options either as an 01:59:18.159 --> 01:59:20.630 office or a medical center and they don't actually fit 01:59:20.630 --> 01:59:21.319 within those 01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:27.279 definitions either. So our intent is to provide some new 01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:28.079 definitions that are 01:59:28.079 --> 01:59:31.220 aligned with the state regulations related to these medical 01:59:31.220 --> 01:59:31.960 uses and then 01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:35.310 take each of those and align it with one of three land use 01:59:35.310 --> 01:59:36.520 categories. So that's 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:39.750 outlined in this table you can see here on the left all of 01:59:39.750 --> 01:59:41.039 the medical services 01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:44.119 that we're defining the majority of these if you look in 01:59:44.119 --> 01:59:45.720 sub chapter 23 will 01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:48.430 refer to state definitions with the intent of keeping our 01:59:48.430 --> 01:59:49.359 definitions up to 01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:51.789 date with the state code and then you can see here that we 01:59:51.789 --> 01:59:52.640 've grouped them 01:59:52.640 --> 01:59:56.050 into three categories what we previously called medical 01:59:56.050 --> 01:59:57.560 centers will be renamed 01:59:57.560 --> 02:00:01.409 medical clinic medical offices is a new category we're 02:00:01.409 --> 02:00:02.720 pulling that out of the 02:00:02.720 --> 02:00:05.130 professional office category we currently have to make that 02:00:05.130 --> 02:00:05.600 a separate 02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:09.000 land use and then the what was previously just called 02:00:09.000 --> 02:00:10.140 hospital will be 02:00:10.140 --> 02:00:14.060 brought into hospital services to now include a wider range 02:00:14.060 --> 02:00:17.119 of hospital types 02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:22.279 within this proposal we are making a cup proposing a couple 02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:23.720 of tweaks to how 02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:26.779 these facilities are permitted in our zoning districts 02:00:26.779 --> 02:00:27.960 medical offices we are 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:30.979 proposing to align and keep those permitted in all of the 02:00:30.979 --> 02:00:31.880 same districts 02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:34.369 where professional services and offices are currently 02:00:34.369 --> 02:00:36.319 permitted hospital services 02:00:36.319 --> 02:00:39.079 the same thing we propose keeping those within the same 02:00:39.079 --> 02:00:40.119 districts where they're 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:43.380 currently permitted but the medical clinic we're proposing 02:00:43.380 --> 02:00:44.319 two changes from 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:48.239 our previous medical center category that would be within 02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:49.439 the NRM you district 02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:53.409 we require proposed requiring an SUP for this use with the 02:00:53.409 --> 02:00:54.720 intent being that 02:00:54.720 --> 02:00:57.930 NRM you often a but single-family residential neighborhoods 02:00:57.930 --> 02:00:58.840 this category 02:00:58.840 --> 02:01:01.250 is fairly broad and does include some uses that are more 02:01:01.250 --> 02:01:02.199 intensive and could 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.699 generate more nuisance potential so the SUP would offer 02:01:05.699 --> 02:01:07.239 that ability to provide 02:01:07.239 --> 02:01:11.060 some site design criteria to abate nuisances and then 02:01:11.060 --> 02:01:12.239 within the DR to 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:15.729 district that's our downtown residential district we 02:01:15.729 --> 02:01:17.000 propose to prohibit this 02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:20.970 use it was previously permitted with an SUP and seeing as 02:01:20.970 --> 02:01:22.479 the use is permitted 02:01:22.479 --> 02:01:24.989 in other downtown categories that are more commercialized 02:01:24.989 --> 02:01:25.680 we feel that it's 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:30.319 no longer a good fit within the residential district so in 02:01:30.319 --> 02:01:31.479 summary we're 02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:34.989 proposing these amendments to provide consistency aligning 02:01:34.989 --> 02:01:36.000 definitions in our 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:39.609 in our code with the state code since the state code offers 02:01:39.609 --> 02:01:40.800 far more regulations 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:44.220 and oversight on these uses than the city can we propose to 02:01:44.220 --> 02:01:45.239 restructure our 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:48.399 land use categories to provide three more well-defined 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:49.800 service categories for 02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:53.909 medical uses and then we propose assigning more appropriate 02:01:53.909 --> 02:01:54.199 zoning 02:01:54.199 --> 02:01:58.789 districts to these newly defined categories notification 02:01:58.789 --> 02:01:59.680 was published on 02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:02.789 July 23rd we received no responses and staff is 02:02:02.789 --> 02:02:04.840 recommending approval of these 02:02:04.840 --> 02:02:09.520 proposed amendments to the DDC and I can stand for any 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:13.119 questions any questions 02:02:13.119 --> 02:02:19.520 for staff thank you Haley this is a public hearing so 02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:20.319 anyone who would like 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:24.479 to speak on this item please come forward at this time 02:02:28.239 --> 02:02:30.460 seeing none we will close the public hearing and we will 02:02:30.460 --> 02:02:32.479 open the floor for 02:02:32.479 --> 02:02:35.680 discussion or motion 02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:46.270 we have some of just joined we were just closing the public 02:02:46.270 --> 02:02:48.960 hearing on item D 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:57.220 were you here to speak on that item 3b okay we've already 02:02:57.220 --> 02:02:58.279 done that one I'm 02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:05.710 sorry so we will keep item D closed and open the floor for 02:03:05.710 --> 02:03:06.560 discussion or a 02:03:06.560 --> 02:03:09.199 motion 02:03:11.680 --> 02:03:16.159 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I make a motion that we 02:03:16.159 --> 02:03:18.720 do approve DCA 178 02:03:18.720 --> 02:03:24.880 okay Commissioner Sullivan I'll second okay we have a first 02:03:24.880 --> 02:03:25.760 and a second for 02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:30.159 approval Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I brought 02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:30.880 this up in work session 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:35.560 just wanted further clarification this work session was 02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:36.800 said that it was there 02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:39.090 was going to be working with Clary on the consultants make 02:03:39.090 --> 02:03:39.880 sure this is kind 02:03:39.880 --> 02:03:42.479 of done the lockstep but we're not getting another draft of 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:44.720 phase one how 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:48.670 are we ensuring or what mechanism is there in place to know 02:03:48.670 --> 02:03:49.760 that they have 02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:52.600 this information we just have to wait till phase one gets 02:03:52.600 --> 02:03:53.600 redrafted to us to 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:57.229 remember that we wanted this to be included or can what's 02:03:57.229 --> 02:03:58.439 the mechanism to 02:03:58.439 --> 02:04:03.119 ensure that these three categories are being rolled over 02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:05.520 into the new DDC city 02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:08.729 council adopts an ordinance for the new medical land use 02:04:08.729 --> 02:04:10.960 amendments we will send 02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:14.170 that over to Clary on for incorporation into the overall D 02:04:14.170 --> 02:04:17.479 DC so the consultant 02:04:17.479 --> 02:04:21.119 work is on I guess a later timeline than this amendment so 02:04:21.119 --> 02:04:22.279 we should be able to 02:04:22.279 --> 02:04:26.119 enroll everything and you will be able to verify that what 02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:27.600 we approve here gets 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:30.810 put into the DDC before it gets adopted because the DDC 02:04:30.810 --> 02:04:32.239 rewrite will come back 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:35.869 to the PNC for review as we get into the public hearing 02:04:35.869 --> 02:04:40.159 process okay thank you any 02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:43.159 further discussion 02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:49.840 seeing none we will call for a vote on the board 02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:59.569 the motion is going to carry five to zero that will take us 02:04:59.569 --> 02:05:01.720 to our final 02:05:01.720 --> 02:05:07.149 agenda item this evening our project matrix okay 02:05:07.149 --> 02:05:10.640 Commissioner Oselle I brought 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:13.479 this up on the previous item but I just wanted to maybe 02:05:13.479 --> 02:05:14.720 bring to the matrix in 02:05:14.720 --> 02:05:14.720 terms of revisiting aligning future land use map with rez 02:05:14.720 --> 02:05:21.319 oning I just want to 02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:24.859 reiterate or see if we can bring back to work session the 02:05:24.859 --> 02:05:26.960 that west of I-35 strip 02:05:26.960 --> 02:05:30.930 in between the railroad tracks and 35 what needs to happen 02:05:30.930 --> 02:05:32.000 to to kind of line 02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:35.920 that up so we can maybe not have these all piecemealed 02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:38.319 together 02:05:43.159 --> 02:05:48.710 anyone else Shandri you have an update or something you 02:05:48.710 --> 02:05:48.920 were going to give us 02:05:48.920 --> 02:05:53.039 I think I called on him rather you're getting ready to 02:05:53.039 --> 02:06:01.880 speak I apologize okay 02:06:01.880 --> 02:06:07.000 at 658 I will close our meeting this evening thank you 02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:09.399 everyone