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Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton Planning

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and Zoning Commission

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work session meeting for August the 9th. This meeting has

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been duly posted and we

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do have a quorum present and I will call us to order at 433

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and our first

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order of business will be to receive clarification of

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agenda items and I

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will turn it over to Shandrian for presentation. Good

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evening. The first

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item that I wanted to go through to see if we had any

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comments or discussion was

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the minutes from July 12th and July 26th. Okay we'll run

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through the public hearing

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items and then we'll come back to the work session items

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just for

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clarification. We have two final replats on the agenda. The

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first up is

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Haley Zagurski regarding the quick trip.

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So this is a replat for the quick trip that's located out

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at the corner of

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University and the I-35 service road intersection and the

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purpose of their

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replat is just to take in some unplatted land on the south

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side of the property

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here in hopes of future expansion of the facility I believe

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. Commissioner Ellis.

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Thank you Chair. Do you do they have any plans at the

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moment or? They had

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presented some plans and then they decided that they might

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want to rework

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things so I'm not sure what their goals are at this point.

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And then I guess I was

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just curious how so was it platted differently when they

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built their

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building or was it never platted? Well no it had to be pl

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atted to build it. Yes it was platted and

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this line here is the previous lot line. Okay. There was

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this little remainder of

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land that was never platted. Understood. Okay thank you.

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Thank you Haley. Next up we have a final replat for

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property located at normal in

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Scripture and I'll invite Julie Wyatt up. Good evening.

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All right so this property is located at the corner of

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Normal Street and

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Scripture Street and they are replatting a previously pl

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atted lot and taking in

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some unplatted property and I'll answer any questions.

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Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Chair. Do we have any

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preliminary designs or

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thoughts what they're doing with this yet? We don't have

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any site plan

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applications so they haven't made any submittals. You know

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they they have

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communicated to us that they would like to build a multif

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amily development on

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the site but we don't have anything specific. They're

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taking in those two

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southern plots making it one. Yes sir. Thank you.

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Commissioner Beck. That answered my

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question. Okay. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair and I

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know we've discussed this a

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little bit Julie so nothing changes with the zoning. It's a

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replat of the entire

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thing. Yes ma'am. The split zoning remains in place. Yes ma

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'am. They can't ask for a

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rezone again for a year from whenever it was denied. Yes ma

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'am that's in the DENT

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Development Code. So with the special things that or

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whatever that little

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verbiage is, special changes that they can come back, would

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a replat as such as

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this be one of those that would be considered? Let me get

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my code so I can

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quote that correctly. I want to make sure. Okay. Thanks.

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Jennifer, will you help with

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that question because I think she's asking for

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clarification on what

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substantiates a zoning change. How substantial does the

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request need to

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change for a zoning request in order for it to be

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reconsidered? Thank you Shander

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and that's a good point. Well it has to be substantially

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different or a change of

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circumstances so whatever the if the if we decide that it

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has been an

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adequate change of circumstances then we could review it.

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We as the Commission.

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So I guess my question was does this substantiate it? I'm

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curious. And I'm

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sorry I thought that this was withdrawn after PNZ for the

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last time. Was it taken to

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council? Yeah this isn't the zoning. This is a question. I

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know but the last

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zoning application that she was asking about, it was taken

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to council at tonight. Okay okay.

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Yeah and I'm sorry what was your question? So I know that a

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special

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circumstance can be where they can come back within the 12

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months. Sooner than

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the 12 months. Right. And so these lots that were on the re

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zone are now being

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kind of taken into this final. So would that be something

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that the city would

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consider as a special circumstance? It could be and it

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would be up to the

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Commission to decide. It's a discretionary. So that comes

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back through

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the chain again or does that just go? It'll come back

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through the chain. So it

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would start with you all and then it would go out to

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council. Okay and just to point out the

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boundaries of the zoning request have not changed and they

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didn't change

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with this replat request. So the reconfiguration of the lot

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boundaries

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is not really, doesn't translate to the zoning request

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necessarily. So if

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there's a boundary change and there's no change that would

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be adequate. They

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haven't submitted the request to change the boundaries of

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the rezoning

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request yet. Okay. But so would that we have to be the same

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request on a special

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circumstance? I'm just confused at the process. The special

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circumstance would

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be if it were different. If the zoning request was

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different. Oh the zoning

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request was different not if something's changed within the

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? The plat boundaries.

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Okay. Okay. Thank you Julie. Sure. And then next up we have

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a zoning case for the

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Duluth Trading Center and I'll invite Jose Riaza.

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Good evening. This is a zoning change request for the

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project is Duluth

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Trading Company in Northern Tools Plus Equipment. The site

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is located west of I-35

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Southbound Service Road and approximately a thousand feet

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south of

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West University Drive and the applicant has requested to re

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zone approximately

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five acres of site from Industrial Center Employment

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District to Regional Center

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Commercial Downtown District. This is the area within

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approximately 200 feet of

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the subject property. The property north of the subject

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property is currently

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zoned RCCD. It fronts on I-35 Southbound Frontage Road and

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the back of the

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subject property is adjacent to the Kansas City Southern

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Railroad line and

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most of the subject property as well as the properties on

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the set to the south

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and to the west are ICE. This is approximately within 500

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feet of the

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subject property. The property here this one it is zoned

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ICE but the use is

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commercial with an accessory storage building and there is

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razor range

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development east of the subject property.

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This is area within 1500 feet of the subject property. You

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can see

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razor range development and Southern School right here. It

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also shows the

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zoning districts within a 1500 feet of the subject property

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which include CNG

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here north east of West University and 35 and there's ICE

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north of West

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University Drive and then RCCD east of 35 and ICE and there

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is ICG as well to

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the far southwest. The future land use for this area is

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regional mixed use.

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The regional mixed use promotes development with an urban

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corrector and

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it applies to areas that serve as regional destinations

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within Denton. It

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promotes moderate to high density residential commercial

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office

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entertainment uses and it is utilized for highly trafficked

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areas primarily

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along major corridors like I-35. The mobility plan shows

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site will be accessed

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through West University two major roadways which is West

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University which

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is a primary arterial and then the Interstate 35. The I-35

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frontage is

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currently under construction and the future plans show that

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it will have two

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to three lanes in the future. And we did send out public

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notifications within 500

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feet and 200 feet as well as in the newspaper on July 23rd

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and we received

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one response in favor and it was from the property owner

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which is off the

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property which is highlighted in green and we didn't

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receive any response in

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opposition. And staff recommends approval based on the

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future land use plan which

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is the Denton plan 2030 and it is compatible with the

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surrounding land

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uses as well as surrounding zoning to the major north. If

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you have any

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questions I'll stand for any questions. Thank you.

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Okay the next item we have is a development code amendment

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invite Haley Guczakowski up to present. This is related to

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medical land

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uses and how they are permitted in the city.

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So as Shandrian said this is a code amendment related to

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our medical uses as

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they're listed in the DDC. So the request before you is to

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consider proposed

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revisions to the development code specifically amending sub

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chapters 5 and

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23 as it pertains to the medical land use categories and

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the definitions. Staff

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is recommending these amendments to the code specifically

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to the definitions in

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permitted zoning districts there as it relates to medical

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uses in advance of

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the overall DDC update because of the number of

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applications we see for

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specific medical uses that aren't well addressed in the

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code. As I'm sure you're

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all aware the medical field covers a very broad spectrum of

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things from

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doctors offices up through hospitals and our current code

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just doesn't have

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categories and definitions that fit well with that evolving

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medical industry.

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categories that can apply

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to medical services. Professional services and offices are

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any office used

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for the conduct of business related activities as long as

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it excludes the

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storage and sale of merchandise. So that category does is

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where we permit any

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sort of medical office so dentist, psychiatrist, any

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general doctor's office

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would fit in that category. We have a definition for a

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medical center which is

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defined as a walk-in facility for medical, obstetrical, or

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surgical care

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limited to day use and then we have a definition for

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hospitals which specifies

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establishments providing sleeping and eating facilities for

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persons receiving

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any sort of medical care on a continuous basis. So these

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existing categories

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really aren't sufficient to describe a lot of the more

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specialized and newly

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evolved medical uses. An example would be the freestanding

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emergency rooms. We have

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very frequent requests for these over the past year and

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they really don't fit

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comfortably within any of those three definitions we just

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described because

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some of them can operate 24 hours a day. They may be able

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to accept emergency

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vehicles but they don't fit the threshold to be a hospital

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because they

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don't provide the sleeping and eating facilities. So we

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permit them under either

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of the other two categories which as you see with the

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definitions neither really

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fit with the specific use here. So the intent of these

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proposed amendments is

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to add some new definitions to the code and make sure that

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those definitions are

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aligned with existing medical uses already defined in the

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state code. Along

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with that we would kind of tweak the three land use

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categories that we have

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and make sure that each of those new definitions aligns

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specifically with one

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of those three categories. So this table offers a summary

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of that. We have here a

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list of all the new definitions that we'll be adding. Some

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of these are just

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tweaks to our existing definitions but most of them would

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be new and those as

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you can see in the code red line that we provided refer you

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directly to the state

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code so that those are constantly updated with what the

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state regulations

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have. And then we have three land use categories. Medical

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centers and we're

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renaming medical clinic. Medical office is a new category

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we're breaking that

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out from the general office category and then what we

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previously just called

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hospital will become hospital services so that it can

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encompass this wider range

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of hospital uses. These can be differentiated between

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because medical

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clinics and medical offices are typically outpatient

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services and then

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hospitals would be your more inpatient services. So along

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with this in the

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permitted use tables in subchapter 5 there would be a few

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adjustments made.

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Medical offices we are proposing that would be permitted in

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any of the

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districts where professional services and offices are

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currently permitted.

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Hospital services would maintain the same permissions

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within the code as

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hospitals currently have and then with medical clinics we

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're making a few

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tweaks because we've now specified that that category

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encompasses a wider

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variety of uses. So in the NRMU district we're proposing

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that this use would

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require an SUP. Medical centers were previously permitted

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by right but as we

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saw with the freestanding ERs if they offer those more

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intensive services

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such as ambulance drive-thrus and things like that we might

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want an SUP to make

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sure that there are compatible buffers and things put in

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place with the site

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design to make it more compatible with adjoining

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residential neighborhoods. And

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within the DR2 district which is in one of our lower

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density downtown areas we

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felt that this use it just doesn't fit so we're proposing

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to no longer permit

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that use within the DR2 district. So in summary our

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objectives are to provide

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consistency by aligning the definitions in our code with

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those in the state

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code. We're proposing to restructure those land medical

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service land use

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categories into the three new categories we discussed and

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we're proposing to

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assign some more appropriate zoning districts to some of

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these land use

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categories as we just saw with the medical clinics. We did

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publish

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notification in the newspaper we received no responses and

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staff is

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recommending approval of these amendments to sub chapters 5

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and 23 of

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the DDC and I can stand for any questions. Commissioner

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Roselle. Thank you chair

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thank you Haley. I have a question about the upcoming DDC

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rewrite are we

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potentially not knowing what that language will be making

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an interim step

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that would be then changed again I'm just wondering for

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developers if we

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change it then they fall under these new use categories and

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permanent uses and

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then next summer we roll out something different I'm just

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wondering the

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implications or what the staff has thought about this.

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Whatever gets

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adopted with the new code will be folded into the work that

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Clarion is doing so

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we're in constant communication with the consultant and

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whatever ordinance comes

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out if one does come out it'll be folded into the DDC the

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new DDC. Okay thank

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you. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair thanks Haley. So

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this seems like a really

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complicated way to address the 24-hour emergency centers

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because I think that's

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what this this is the catalyst for this. Is there no way to

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just make a category

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for for this land use and just make a category titled 24-

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hour emergency center

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or something? We did you know consider that but we felt

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that our overall our

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code is lacking in a lot of these potential categories of

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medical uses you

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know people come in all the time with a proposal and it's

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like well is it really

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an office or is it more of a medical center we don't have

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clear definition on

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that so we thought this would be an opportunity to wrap up

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more defined uses

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as well as those freestanding emergency use emergency

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centers. And I'm sorry just

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to add to that what we want to avoid as well is being

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interpretive of what a use

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is because really the medical uses are regulated by the

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state and so all we can

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really do is look at it from a land use perspective and see

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you know which

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basically categories they fit within. If we start getting

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into the details of 24

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hour versus you know closes at 8 or whatever other criteria

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the state

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requires for the each particular use it could just become

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unwielding and we

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wouldn't really necessarily have any mechanisms to enforce

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that so that's why

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we chose to do the umbrella categories so that if anything

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new pops up in the

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next few years that falls within one of those categories we

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have history and we

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have a process to determine where it fits best. Okay then I

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guess my next

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question was coming up with medical clinic some somehow

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that term bothers me

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and I'll just tell you why because my doctor's office has

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medical clinic before

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their name their medical clinic of so as a medical clinic

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in their name they don't

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fit I mean they're a medical office that's what they are.

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So I guess I'm how

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did we come up with that term? And we wouldn't necessarily

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base the use on

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what they call themselves we base the use on what how they

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intend to operate

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and then match that with the definitions that we have

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identified in the code and

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the ones that are identified with the state but we do want

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to minimize as much

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as possible being the ones that are going in and class

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ifying these uses

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because it's really outside of our purview as a local

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entity. We have the

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land use controls but as far as the way they do business we

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can't really

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monitor or regulate that. Okay and I guess I and I did read

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through this and I

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looked through the state I didn't really see medical clinic

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as a definition is it

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state defined and it fits in okay and that's what I couldn

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't find. It will be

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well defined in the new DDC we can go through that

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definition if you would

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like but we do offer a definition for it in the code. Okay

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excellent yeah and I

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guess we'll have to just make sure it's in the because I

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know it's not in our

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hospital stuff with the new DDC stuff. Yeah it's nowhere in

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there plus we only

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have hospital and medical offices in there as as right and

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that you know

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health care facilities. Yes and that draft pre-sees this

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work so we'll have

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to make sure that whatever you guys decide on this proposal

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gets folded into

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what the consultants are working on. Yeah and I mean it all

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makes sense I'm only

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stuck on medical clinic because to me I don't think of a 24

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-hour emergency room

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as a medical clinic but that's just how my brain works so

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if it's defined

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somehow where it's it is this then okay. Commissioner Beck.

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Thank You Chair the

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definition that she was asking about would that be in that

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subsection five

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that you put in our material? It would be in sub chapter 23

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. 23? Mm-hmm yeah all

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the definitions are in 23. That was definition okay thank

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you. My concern is

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do we have anything in place now with one of these clinics

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that will now require

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an SUP? Is there anything in one of these medical clinics

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where they have 24-hour

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emergency service in an NRMU now that would create a

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conflict since we're not

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allowing it without an SUP where they used to be there by

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right do they still

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get to stay there that's not going to create any qualms?

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Yes. Okay so I think the

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information said y'all had four requests for these type of

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clinics are they

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forthcoming and are they going to be in conflict with the

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land use requirement?

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If I remember correctly we had two that were already

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permitted one is current

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well three that are currently permitted I believe and one

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was just a PDM

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application and that one was actually within razor ranch so

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it would also have

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their overlay district requirements to contend with. Okay

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but none of them are

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going to be in conflict with the new land use requirements

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that are required

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in SUP. They're not going in thinking they can go there by

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right? One that's

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already has its permit is in an NRMU district yes. Okay

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thank you.

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Commissioner Ellis. Okay so one more question so the

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definition that's in

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here which I read is that something that we came up with

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within the city or did?

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For medical clinic? Yeah. Yes that is our definition. Okay

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so my question

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earlier was is there a state definition for it that's what

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I couldn't find and

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I know we were saying we're trying to align you know with

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our you know with

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with state definition so that was my. No I don't believe

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there is a state

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definition for medical clinic but we're using medical

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clinic kind of as an

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umbrella term to catch all of these more specific ones. And

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by defining it the way we have that helps to make decisions

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with the

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with the developments? Yes that was our intent. Understood

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thank you.

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Well I'll ask a question about the SUP requirement and then

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also I guess it's

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now going to be prohibited I think you said in DR2 so

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downtown. Any thought as

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to all of the living as far as apartments and all those

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types of

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centers that are being proposed and being done downtown

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that there might be

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a need for that at some point within that amount of people

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that are choosing

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to live downtown? We're only proposing that it be

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prohibited in the DR2

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district so just in the residential district within our

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downtown core the

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DCG districts that use could still be permitted. Okay.

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I guess get my usual not a fan of the SUP thing out that's

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a lot of work for

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people to have to go through a lot of money to spend to

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have no. Is there any

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other way to address that without SUP or is that just kind

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of the way we're going

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to choose to move forward with it? Well that would just be

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for the NRMU district

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and we pick that specifically just because it is a mixed-

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use district that

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still permits some residential uses it abuts a lot of

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single-family

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neighborhoods and because that category would permit things

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such as surgical

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centers or freestanding ERs that are more intensive in

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nature and the way

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they function and the amount of traffic that would be

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generated by them we felt

541
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the SUP was the best mechanism to offer some control over

542
00:24:40,569 --> 00:24:41,599
how the site is

543
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,500
designed to ensure the proper buffers and screening and

544
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:45,640
various things like

545
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,490
that are in place to prevent nuisance situations. Okay

546
00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:51,680
great thank you.

547
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,359
Okay thank you Hayden.

548
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,640
Going back to our work session items the first item on that

549
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,680
agenda is small cell

550
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,420
network nodes we have a presentation by Manal Malade. Thank

551
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,839
you Chandran. Good

552
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:16,380
evening Chairperson Strange, Commissioners. It's odd to be

553
00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:20,559
on this side today but I

554
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,799
wanted to take the opportunity this evening to give you an

555
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:26,759
update on a

556
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:31,400
Senate bill, Senate bill 1004 and it's what we call small

557
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,599
cell deployment or

558
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:36,960
small cellular antennas and the impact or the potential

559
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,559
impact of these as it

560
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,509
relates to our city's right-of-way so everything that is

561
00:25:41,509 --> 00:25:42,680
dedicated as right-of-

562
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,200
way or is currently paved as right-of-way and through my

563
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,880
presentation

564
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,319
I'm going to give you a synopsis of what this bill is the

565
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:52,720
highlights of it and

566
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,069
what our implementation plan is it and what our parameters

567
00:25:56,069 --> 00:25:57,119
are and where the

568
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480
restrictions lie within those as it relates to what a city

569
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,519
can or cannot do.

570
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:05,490
Basically if this is passed this bill well basically this

571
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:06,480
bill I beg your

572
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,380
pardon would allow the cellular industry to install small

573
00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:11,279
antenna antennas or

574
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,990
nodes within the city's right-of-way so what they would use

575
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:14,920
is they would use

576
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,109
existing pole fixtures and on top of that or alongside it

577
00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:21,680
would install these

578
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,900
nodes and I have some pictures to give you some semblance

579
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:24,920
of what we're talking

580
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,569
about. So its purpose was to increase cellular network

581
00:26:28,569 --> 00:26:30,359
coverage across the state

582
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,160
and of course there are new technologies there so it was

583
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,740
deemed easier as an

584
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:39,390
easier rollout for the new 5g technology and also to meet

585
00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:40,720
customer demand these

586
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,529
days as it relates to these networks. It will require

587
00:26:46,529 --> 00:26:48,559
cities to comply so all

588
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,720
cities will be required to comply with this and as a result

589
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,720
I've put there it

590
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,849
says one size fits all approach so basically these this use

591
00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:58,680
would be

592
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,799
permitted and there are specific parameters associated with

593
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:03,079
that. It

594
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,380
identifies your timelines as it relates to reviewing the

595
00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:07,359
application it to

596
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,000
review it has attached timelines as it relates to reviewing

597
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,039
the package and

598
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,960
what is being proposed which could include your design

599
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,519
elements. These are

600
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,230
some of the examples if you look at these these pictures in

601
00:27:19,230 --> 00:27:20,400
front of you it

602
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,109
gives you an idea of what the equipment looks like and of

603
00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:25,640
course it varies from

604
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,240
company to company that is that is using this equipment and

605
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,319
then of course you

606
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:31,710
can see that we have this attachment here and then of

607
00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:32,720
course they usually

608
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,650
try and go above the fixture itself that existing utility

609
00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:40,039
feature. Here's another

610
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:43,579
example that they've tried to show on what is happening

611
00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:44,720
here and here and

612
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,349
along here as well and up here. So we are going to see an

613
00:27:50,349 --> 00:27:54,119
increased level of

614
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,019
activity within our right-of-way as it relates to these

615
00:27:57,019 --> 00:27:58,119
uses in the very near

616
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,930
future and they will have the ability to then install their

617
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:03,640
fixtures and relocate

618
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,660
or locate upon these utility posts. Here are a few more

619
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:09,039
examples that gives you

620
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,180
an idea of a small cell node. Right now these are the

621
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:14,799
players that we're dealing

622
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,400
with as it relates to applications that will be coming

623
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,640
forward to conduct this

624
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,559
use. What are the key provisions of this Senate bill? It

625
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:24,839
mandates that small cell

626
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:27,690
nodes and poles to be installed in the city's right-of-way.

627
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:28,599
It includes use of

628
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:32,259
existing utility and traffic poles so all of our DME

629
00:28:32,259 --> 00:28:34,039
structures that we do have

630
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,819
in form of poles would be they could be used as co-location

631
00:28:37,819 --> 00:28:40,680
elements and they

632
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,259
also have the ability to install new poles too as long as

633
00:28:43,259 --> 00:28:44,000
they're in the

634
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160
right-of-way but there are distance parameters or distance

635
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,799
requirements from

636
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,410
those. It enables us to establish city permit requirements

637
00:28:50,410 --> 00:28:51,240
what that means is

638
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,430
we would have to have a specific ordinance that would have

639
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:54,000
to be adopted

640
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,950
that would outline the application procedure that would

641
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:57,680
have also the

642
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,299
design criteria manual in terms of what limited ability we

643
00:29:01,299 --> 00:29:02,559
have associated with

644
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,549
these and I'll dive into that in a second too and it also

645
00:29:05,549 --> 00:29:06,480
has a provision

646
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400
just as any other development code that once you submit

647
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,039
your application it is

648
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,319
deemed approved if it is not reviewed and addressed at that

649
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:15,599
time and there is

650
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,599
a maximum fee structure as well that is associated with

651
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,039
this. I won't dive into

652
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:25,380
this table to integrate detail but it basically gives you

653
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:26,160
the the shot clock

654
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,019
requirements as it relates to the node the transport

655
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:30,240
facility that you see

656
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,140
there that's relating to the cabling and then a new pole

657
00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:34,559
installation and then it

658
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,890
gives you what the city's deadlines are in terms of complet

659
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:39,079
eness review. When we

660
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,509
talk about the fee structure it's $500 for up to five

661
00:29:42,509 --> 00:29:43,839
network nodes those were

662
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,859
the nodes that I showed you in the earlier photographs and

663
00:29:46,859 --> 00:29:48,000
then $250 for

664
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,000
each additional node and there is an annual node rental fee

665
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,759
and that is $250

666
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:58,549
per node and then it is a thousand dollars for a new pole

667
00:29:58,549 --> 00:30:00,240
and a $250

668
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,289
annual pole rental fee. There is a monthly rental and that

669
00:30:04,289 --> 00:30:05,240
's $28 for each

670
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:11,319
network transfer facility. Commissioner Ellis. Thank You

671
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,319
Chair.

672
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:17,450
Menal did I read correctly that if the city doesn't I guess

673
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:18,880
respond in those 30

674
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,539
days it's automatically approved? Correct. And then would

675
00:30:22,539 --> 00:30:23,279
there be fees

676
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,250
associated at that point or? So yeah the fees would apply

677
00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:28,640
because there's several

678
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,470
functions that are happening one is there's an application

679
00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:32,200
procedure and

680
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,099
that's one of the shot clocks that we're talking about that

681
00:30:35,099 --> 00:30:36,480
the application has

682
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,720
to be reviewed for completeness and if you remember I also

683
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,880
prefaced with that

684
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,539
we have to have an ordinance that then outlines the

685
00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:46,440
application requirements

686
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,880
you know the basic check boxes and then also has to be

687
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,400
reviewed within a certain

688
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,690
period of time and then from there the full submittal

689
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:56,200
package is reviewed in

690
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,359
terms of the co-location elements associated with that so

691
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,440
each component of

692
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,970
it has a deadline associated with it. It's very similar to

693
00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:05,039
any development

694
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:12,599
application it's just rather stringent. Is it doable? This

695
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,359
process and these types

696
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,339
of functions will not be addressed by the Department of

697
00:31:18,339 --> 00:31:19,599
Development Services

698
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,500
it's indeed a function that our right-of-way team and our

699
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:23,359
engineering team

700
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,900
will manage however there are some touch points which I'll

701
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:28,960
discuss in a second.

702
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,319
Commissioner Roselle. Thank You Chair. A couple questions

703
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:34,440
in my ignorance can

704
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,950
multiple companies share the same node? It's my

705
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:39,039
understanding they can as long

706
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:43,329
as it functions but that's something that I'm not the

707
00:31:43,329 --> 00:31:44,880
expert in but I think

708
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920
I've overheard that being said yes. Sure and then the fees

709
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,400
that's the company

710
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,759
paying the city of Denton. Correct. But these fees are ca

711
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,279
pped by this Senate bill.

712
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:02,700
At what level? Those are the fees that can be assessed. But

713
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:02,960
they can have

714
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,789
unlimited additional nodes. But you still have a rental fee

715
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:09,079
for each node. Right but

716
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,180
theoretically they could put in a hundred if they want to

717
00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:12,319
pay for those. On

718
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:16,119
one utility structure or within the right-of-way? Yes.

719
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:16,799
Within the right-of-way?

720
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,259
Unlimited. And so as long as it's in the city of Denton,

721
00:32:20,259 --> 00:32:21,400
the city of Denton will

722
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,640
get those fees. Correct. And who will manage the

723
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,720
administration of those fees?

724
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,599
It wouldn't be the Department of Engineering would it? I

725
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:28,839
believe they

726
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,349
would be coming into the engineering department but the

727
00:32:31,349 --> 00:32:32,319
fund I don't know what

728
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,359
fund they would be and then be credited to for the city.

729
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,920
Thank you.

730
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,140
Okay so some of the touch points that I wanted to mention

731
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:45,400
Commissioner Ellis and

732
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,410
commissioners was what ability do we have in terms of a in

733
00:32:51,410 --> 00:32:51,519
terms of the

734
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,920
planning division as it relates to are there any

735
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,400
restrictions or can we place

736
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,690
any restrictions. I'm going to work a little backwards here

737
00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:02,799
. The first semblance

738
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,990
of design control that we do have is related to our

739
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:09,559
historical districts or

740
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,359
our overlay districts. And what we have the ability to do

741
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:14,720
is once we create this

742
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,619
design criteria manual and the associated ordinances to

743
00:33:17,619 --> 00:33:18,480
state in there

744
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,720
that indeed we can create specific design elements that for

745
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,920
instance the

746
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,529
poles cannot be taller than a certain height. That the

747
00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:29,839
color is used on the

748
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:33,690
poles or are we going to use some kind of as we call

749
00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:35,559
camouflage type pole

750
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,680
structure to enable it in historic districts or to allow

751
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,480
the use in the

752
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,089
right of ways within those historic districts or any other

753
00:33:42,089 --> 00:33:42,599
overlay or

754
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,089
corridor districts. Residential areas can also be

755
00:33:46,089 --> 00:33:48,400
restricted and then municipal

756
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,380
parks in terms of no new utility poles can be installed to

757
00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:55,880
accommodate. Again

758
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,630
we're all learning as we deal with this Senate bill it is

759
00:33:59,630 --> 00:34:00,960
very new to most of

760
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,519
our communities within the metroplex so we're all putting

761
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:04,759
our heads together and

762
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:08,250
trying to come up with some semblance of an ordinance that

763
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:11,719
would be applicable. I

764
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,130
wanted to give you some design elements and show some

765
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:16,960
design elements to use for

766
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,909
instance we have you could consider this and this as a

767
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:21,280
design feature and not

768
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,420
your typical poles that you see and I've got some other

769
00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:24,559
pictures there for you as

770
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,639
well various concealment solutions that are possible but

771
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:29,280
then again this is only

772
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,960
in specific areas within based on their zoning. What is our

773
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,960
implementation plan?

774
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,349
We are meeting with our cell providers to understand and

775
00:34:38,349 --> 00:34:39,519
better or rather to

776
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:41,469
better understand what their plans are what their future

777
00:34:41,469 --> 00:34:42,159
plans are and what

778
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,989
their expansion plans are and what new technologies we're

779
00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:46,000
dealing with and how

780
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,349
we need to accommodate those. We are in the process of also

781
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:50,239
drafting a new

782
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,670
ordinance and we're drafting design standards we're

783
00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:54,719
drafting application

784
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,289
forms and we're also attending information sessions with

785
00:34:58,289 --> 00:34:59,320
the cog and

786
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,030
receiving and sharing information with other communities.

787
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:04,400
Lots of communities

788
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,230
are trying to discern what to do some communities have

789
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:07,960
already seen

790
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,409
installation of these poles as well of these utility poles

791
00:35:11,409 --> 00:35:12,480
to these utility

792
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,599
poles or co-location. So bringing this to your attention

793
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:18,800
because one this will be

794
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,750
a separate ordinance in itself however it is an interesting

795
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:22,559
bill that you know

796
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,010
that it needed to come before you to give you some idea of

797
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:25,800
what's going on

798
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,239
with it and the implications in as as far as historic

799
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,559
districts and corridor

800
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,400
districts are concerned. I've provided some data for you to

801
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,719
review again we are

802
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,429
going to go to the public utility board on August 14th you

803
00:35:38,429 --> 00:35:39,280
meaning the city

804
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,320
is and then historical landmark Commission we will be

805
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,039
making a similar

806
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,800
presentation to them on the 14th and we will be seeking

807
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,079
approval of the City

808
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,789
Council on the 22nd and from there on we'll begin receiving

809
00:35:52,789 --> 00:35:53,840
applications on

810
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,480
September 1 which is our deadline and I will try and answer

811
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,599
any questions that

812
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:03,519
should you have any. Commissioner Beck. Just out of

813
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:05,880
curiosity why did

814
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,530
telecommunications industry feel like they need to circum

815
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:10,880
vent cities and towns

816
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,360
and go straight to the state? Any idea on that? Honestly I

817
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,400
don't know. Not a

818
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,400
question but I would like to make some concerns. Sure. I

819
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,159
don't have a

820
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,280
problem with telecommunications coming in wanting to expand

821
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,559
their wireless facilities

822
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:34,280
obviously as they say it is expanding and it tends to be

823
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,960
migrating towards

824
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,119
solar a solely using cellular communication in their homes

825
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:39,719
and land

826
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,730
lines are obviously going out so I would be for that in any

827
00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:43,760
of the elements and

828
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,289
infrastructure that they need but as I mentioned and I

829
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:49,840
think all of us should be

830
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,239
bothered a little bit that the state feels compelled to

831
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:53,920
make this unfund

832
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,539
unfunded mandate upon the cities primarily because it seems

833
00:36:59,539 --> 00:37:00,320
like another

834
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,159
overreach from the state. We have like nearly a dozen bills

835
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:06,559
and the special

836
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,969
session alone that try to mitigate local control and this

837
00:37:09,969 --> 00:37:11,239
just seems like another

838
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,210
effort at it so for that reason I'd kind of be opposed to

839
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:17,039
it just because once

840
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,539
these guys put their foot in the door they keep pushing it

841
00:37:19,539 --> 00:37:20,280
open and we keep

842
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,449
losing that local control. I'm concerned about that but the

843
00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:24,559
other aspect of this

844
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,800
that bothers me is what I think we're all familiar with

845
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,239
this is crony capitalism

846
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,199
and I'll explain that. Let me just ask my quick raise of

847
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:33,360
hands here is anybody

848
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,480
familiar with the American Legislative Exchange Council

849
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,679
better known from its

850
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,960
acronym ALEC. No? Okay let me give you a real brief

851
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,800
definition. ALEC is a

852
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,650
corporate funded bill mill where global corporations state

853
00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:48,760
politicians vote

854
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,809
behind closed doors to try and rewrite state laws that

855
00:37:51,809 --> 00:37:53,880
governor writes. Through

856
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,280
ALEC corporations hand state legislators to the wish list

857
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,920
to benefit their

858
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000
bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's

859
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,559
operations. They pay for a seat

860
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,840
on ALEC task forces or corporate lobbyists and special

861
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,280
interests

862
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,889
representatives vote with the elected officials to approve

863
00:38:10,889 --> 00:38:13,440
model bills. Now the

864
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,239
guy who sponsored this bill is Kelly Hancock out of Rich

865
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,679
land Hills, District 9.

866
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:23,579
Which sits just below us. He sponsored it in this bill his

867
00:38:23,579 --> 00:38:25,159
SB 1004 has a

868
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,599
striking similarity to an ALEC model bill entitled Wireless

869
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:30,840
Telecommunications

870
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,760
Towers Siding Act and Senator Kelly actually is the chair

871
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,760
for ALEC in the

872
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,119
state of Texas. That should be troubling to all of us

873
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,000
because it kind of

874
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
diminishes democracy where our local representatives get

875
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,760
overridden by

876
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,320
corporate special interests. So I would be thoroughly for

877
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,119
us signing up with I

878
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,679
believe it's McAllen, Texas and a few other cities to

879
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:57,760
challenge the

880
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,840
constitutionality of this law just for the two reasons I've

881
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,800
given here. So

882
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,659
that's my two cents worth. We'll turn to legal. Looks like

883
00:39:05,659 --> 00:39:06,679
we have a comment. Well

884
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:11,480
just so that you're all aware there is going to be pending

885
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,909
litigation that's spearheaded by McAllen and several cities

886
00:39:14,909 --> 00:39:15,559
are actually

887
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,670
joining them. I think the deadline to join it for the

888
00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:20,719
initial filing is August

889
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,260
18th which is prior to the time that we're taking this to

890
00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:23,960
counsel but we

891
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,809
would have an opportunity at a later time to intervene in

892
00:39:27,809 --> 00:39:29,019
the lawsuit if we

893
00:39:29,019 --> 00:39:31,449
wanted to become a party. So we'll be speaking with counsel

894
00:39:31,449 --> 00:39:33,159
about that as well

895
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:37,760
so that we can provide all opportunities to them.

896
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,280
Commissioner Roselle. Thank You

897
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,539
Chair. Can you speak to Commissioner Bex that this is unf

898
00:39:44,539 --> 00:39:45,940
unded? I didn't

899
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:49,219
gather besides the human capital to set this up with the

900
00:39:49,219 --> 00:39:50,639
drafts of ordinance and

901
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,559
application that there would be funds required from the

902
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:54,880
City of Denton to

903
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,590
facilitate the installation or upkeep or maintenance of any

904
00:39:58,590 --> 00:40:00,559
of this. No. So apart

905
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,639
from the manpower to draft ordinances and the applications

906
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:04,519
that you listed

907
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:08,519
there's no other mandated funding that would go into

908
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,199
continue this. At this time

909
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,920
there is none we're still learning this industry ourselves

910
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,119
so once we I know

911
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,769
that they will have to be license agreements with these

912
00:40:16,769 --> 00:40:17,719
operators who are

913
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,900
co-locating on these polls. There is discussion on who

914
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:22,840
would be the

915
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,440
contractor so to speak that would work with existing

916
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,679
utility polls and those

917
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:28,860
are things we're still earning out. Like we said this is

918
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,000
relatively new to us too.

919
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,710
We're bringing this forward as a work session to bring you

920
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:34,639
to basically

921
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,469
apprise you that this is moving forward and as details

922
00:40:37,469 --> 00:40:38,719
unfold we will bring them

923
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:44,079
to your attention too. Thank you. Commissioner Sullivan.

924
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,639
Thank you Chair. I

925
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,349
would take the opposite view of Commissioner Bex and that

926
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:50,000
is I think

927
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,969
it's a great idea for a simple reason and that is how long

928
00:40:53,969 --> 00:40:54,920
have we been

929
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,260
talking about getting cellular service downtown that's

930
00:40:58,260 --> 00:40:59,719
usable on a regular

931
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,989
basis and in certain parts of the city you don't have good

932
00:41:04,989 --> 00:41:05,880
cellular coverage

933
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,599
for whatever reason and so I think that this is really

934
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,760
pushing the city to get

935
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,320
into the 20th century or 21st century at least with the

936
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,719
cellular

937
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,679
coverage and along with Commissioner Rozelle I found it

938
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:22,199
interesting the

939
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:26,840
unfunded mandate language in here because all I see is a

940
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,440
whole lot of

941
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,079
cash coming to the city that the polls are already there

942
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:32,440
for the most part and

943
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,409
so I see this as a cash cow not necessarily an unfunded

944
00:41:36,409 --> 00:41:37,599
mandate and the

945
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,699
fact that people would be able to get coverage that they

946
00:41:40,699 --> 00:41:41,840
normally that they

947
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,250
don't have now I think is positive because again a lot of

948
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:46,119
people are going

949
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:50,000
away from landlines. We don't have any more wires going

950
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
across the streets.

951
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,480
When if bad weather hits and pulls down the pole there's

952
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,000
going to be another

953
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,239
pole somewhere close by that has the module on it that will

954
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,159
be able to pick

955
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:04,949
up the signal so that we don't have any phone outages so I

956
00:42:04,949 --> 00:42:06,159
see this as a big

957
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:09,559
positive and it's too bad the city didn't or cities in

958
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:10,559
Texas didn't act

959
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:14,900
fast enough to put it in themselves and to give the

960
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,199
opportunity for the

961
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:20,760
companies to do this to begin with I mean you snooze you

962
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,239
lose in this you

963
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,230
know in this world and so I think that's I think what this

964
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:25,199
what the state is

965
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:31,199
doing is it's it's time to up your game so to speak.

966
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:31,519
Commissioner Beck. Thank you

967
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,030
chair. Just for clarification for Commissioner Shulman I

968
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:35,760
wasn't opposed to the

969
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,820
improvement of cellular in fact I agree that it is going

970
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:40,199
forward landlines are

971
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,980
dying out I just didn't understand why telecommunications

972
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:44,679
company felt like

973
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,510
they needed to circumvent cities and go straight to the

974
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:48,440
state and a lot of the

975
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,869
stuff in here looks good you know that where they want to

976
00:42:51,869 --> 00:42:52,760
put them how they

977
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,260
want to put them the restrictions that they allow but there

978
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:55,960
are going to be

979
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,800
nuances within each area that we don't get to deal with now

980
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:00,880
we've got to follow

981
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,369
this strict line but I don't know that the cities would be

982
00:43:05,369 --> 00:43:06,079
opposed to this I

983
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,739
know if they brought it to us as a body I wouldn't be

984
00:43:08,739 --> 00:43:11,280
opposed to it I just I see

985
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,630
this is one more effort to just kind of you know get state

986
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:17,239
overreach into local

987
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,730
communities and diminish what local control we have left.

988
00:43:20,730 --> 00:43:21,920
Commissioner Sullivan.

989
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,730
Again my point is is that when the city goes through

990
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:27,800
contracting services and

991
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,280
they go through the process of which city which company is

992
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,519
going to be allowed

993
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:37,690
to provide the service then we start getting into areas

994
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:39,119
that can cause all

995
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:43,670
kinds of conflict as we know a former council member who

996
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:45,599
had a single wire run

997
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,719
to his business for high-speed internet that nobody in that

998
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,480
area had and I think

999
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,320
there was a conflict that should have been looked at at the

1000
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,159
time so this takes

1001
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,409
that off the table because now it's not up to the city to

1002
00:43:59,409 --> 00:44:00,579
determine what

1003
00:44:00,579 --> 00:44:04,309
provider is going to do what you just got all you know you

1004
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:05,400
got to let whoever

1005
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,510
comes in put up the the nodes in and go with it so I think

1006
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:12,079
it solves a lot of

1007
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,510
those political issues that sometimes get in the way of the

1008
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:18,039
commercial side of

1009
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:22,329
it and it's now out of the hands of the City Council and it

1010
00:44:22,329 --> 00:44:23,840
's a state law and

1011
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,179
City Council people don't have to deal with it that's my

1012
00:44:28,179 --> 00:44:33,199
opinion. It's my turn.

1013
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:38,630
I see kind of both sides and I understand the concern I see

1014
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:39,039
it as a

1015
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:42,849
revenue or potential revenue for the city and also just

1016
00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:43,800
kind of in the

1017
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,369
presentation we've just talked about is if every city can

1018
00:44:48,369 --> 00:44:50,000
dictate how they want

1019
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,909
the node to look and what kind of features it is and have

1020
00:44:52,909 --> 00:44:53,679
to go through

1021
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,719
every single municipality over the state as to whether it's

1022
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,000
silver or black or

1023
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,409
brown and whether what size it is what feature it is

1024
00:45:01,409 --> 00:45:02,800
whether it's an historical

1025
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,599
district or not the nightmare that that would be in the

1026
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,159
amount of time at every

1027
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:13,039
single Commission meeting throughout our state I'm sure

1028
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:13,599
everybody sits here

1029
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:18,860
and goes well the state overreach but AT&T is a national

1030
00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:19,480
company they got to

1031
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,150
do this in 50 states much less how many thousands hundreds

1032
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:24,920
of thousands of

1033
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,989
every single community designing how they want to do their

1034
00:45:28,989 --> 00:45:30,480
nodes. I understand

1035
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,980
there's areas in our city we would have a very specific

1036
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,119
requirement of what we'd

1037
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,210
like to see and yet where are you gonna get coverage some

1038
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:38,239
people don't have land

1039
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,460
lines safety issues you know you have emergency you don't

1040
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:43,119
have cell coverage

1041
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,639
you're just out of luck so it's it's a complicated issue

1042
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:48,440
and I think sometimes

1043
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,800
you know you just have to look at it that sometimes you've

1044
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,480
got to get some

1045
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,849
things done and maybe it doesn't fit everybody's purview of

1046
00:45:54,849 --> 00:45:55,800
how you'd like to

1047
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,329
see it done but also on the flip side it would require a

1048
00:45:59,329 --> 00:46:00,599
tremendous amount of

1049
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:04,519
time to roll this out through every single city in state of

1050
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:05,440
Texas much less

1051
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,469
nationwide to come up with a program for each municipality

1052
00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:11,320
that met their

1053
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,769
criteria through all the different committees that they

1054
00:46:13,769 --> 00:46:14,440
have to go through

1055
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,030
we're going to go through two or three committees looks

1056
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:18,119
like before it goes to

1057
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:23,269
City Council so that would just be my two cents on this as

1058
00:46:23,269 --> 00:46:24,719
well so I don't

1059
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,750
just we have much of a voice other than we've got a

1060
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:28,039
presentation and it moves on

1061
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:34,480
to do the process so with that I guess that will end our

1062
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,280
presentation on this

1063
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,469
item and move us on to what other work session items we

1064
00:46:40,469 --> 00:46:42,199
have the next item is a

1065
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,409
discussion on small area plans and I will invite Ron Ming

1066
00:46:45,409 --> 00:46:48,480
ida to the podium

1067
00:46:56,039 --> 00:47:08,159
thank you sir Shannon presentation on here chair members of

1068
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:08,920
the Commission

1069
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,840
thank you for the opportunity this is a response to a

1070
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,360
request from a past

1071
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,260
commissioner I believe regarding small your plans basically

1072
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:18,360
the question is how

1073
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,210
does a smaller plan get created how do we start a smaller

1074
00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:24,840
plan and also what we

1075
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,289
have done so far to date so just as a way of background we

1076
00:47:29,289 --> 00:47:30,519
have the den plan

1077
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,559
2030 which again as you all know was adopted in 2015

1078
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:36,320
February 2015 and in the

1079
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,980
plan it establishes the actions in which smaller your plans

1080
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:41,400
smaller planning is

1081
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,699
started in the plan there are chapters that speak to

1082
00:47:45,699 --> 00:47:47,800
smaller your planning and

1083
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,190
actually identifies focus areas where the plan identifies

1084
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:53,719
areas within the city

1085
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,610
that could turn into smaller plans that would benefit and

1086
00:47:58,610 --> 00:48:00,519
can start that initial

1087
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:07,969
analysis so a smaller your plan our smaller plans is really

1088
00:48:07,969 --> 00:48:08,920
an extension of

1089
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,110
the den plan 2030 and implementing its vision for the for

1090
00:48:14,110 --> 00:48:15,280
the citizens in the

1091
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,820
vision community vision statement it involves community

1092
00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:20,119
input develops a

1093
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:24,090
context specific action for that area it involves

1094
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:26,199
collecting and analyzing

1095
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,550
existing conditions data evaluating the area and then

1096
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:31,199
developing the actions and

1097
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:35,920
recommendations that could benefit and help that that area

1098
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,360
address the issues

1099
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:44,059
and offer the opportunities that it needs so why a way of

1100
00:48:44,059 --> 00:48:45,440
example I've

1101
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,039
brought the small air plans that we have currently adopted

1102
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:52,119
in the city

1103
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,010
we've got four the first one is the fry Street area plan

1104
00:49:02,010 --> 00:49:05,719
smaller plan which was

1105
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:12,079
adopted in 1999 and of course this area is right in there

1106
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:13,239
north of University on

1107
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,920
Hickory and fry Street the second one is the Dina small

1108
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,920
area plan and that was

1109
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,449
adopted in 2001 and this is for the Dini area just south of

1110
00:49:25,449 --> 00:49:26,920
I-35 in the area

1111
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:37,440
right next to UNT and just west of 377 the next one is the

1112
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,619
downtown master

1113
00:49:38,619 --> 00:49:43,670
plan and this was adopted in 2003 this covers the area

1114
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:46,119
primarily along the

1115
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:52,000
downtown area by South the University Eagle Carroll as well

1116
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,079
as Bell Street and

1117
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,789
again I don't have a map for each one of these but again

1118
00:49:56,789 --> 00:49:58,599
the examples that I've

1119
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,280
passed out there are the smaller plans that again were

1120
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,400
adopted in the past

1121
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,360
years the more recent one is the downtown implementation

1122
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:09,960
plan and this

1123
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,150
was adopted in 2010 and this just takes the downtown master

1124
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:15,400
plan further and

1125
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,780
offers implementation strategies and recommendations to

1126
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:20,119
move forward out of

1127
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,739
this implementation plan we are in the midst of

1128
00:50:23,739 --> 00:50:26,159
implementing and installing

1129
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:31,059
wayfinding signage in the downtown it also was directed to

1130
00:50:31,059 --> 00:50:32,039
work on Hickory

1131
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:35,070
Street which you see is doing fairly well and this came out

1132
00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:36,360
of the downtown

1133
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,500
implementation plan so there are other plans and actions

1134
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:40,679
covered in that plan

1135
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:44,170
that the city is currently working on again these are just

1136
00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:45,239
again examples I

1137
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,519
wanted to share some real documentations that have been

1138
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,960
adopted so far so where

1139
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,179
we go from here we got four currently some of them are

1140
00:50:58,179 --> 00:51:00,440
fairly older in the

1141
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,519
sense that the first one was in 1999 something that we

1142
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:04,519
probably need to be

1143
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:08,659
updating as well as the Dina but we also have other areas

1144
00:51:08,659 --> 00:51:10,159
and these focus areas

1145
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:13,320
that you should see here I apologize they're really hard to

1146
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,800
see again the goal

1147
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,309
of these focus area is to turn them into future smaller

1148
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:21,920
plans they cover centers

1149
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,329
corridors as well as branding stations and travel centers

1150
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:27,920
as well they're

1151
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,030
important community identifiers for the city and their

1152
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:34,199
primary purpose and our

1153
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:38,579
charge is to see how we can increase development and infill

1154
00:51:38,579 --> 00:51:39,199
redevelopment

1155
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:44,329
opportunities in these areas we're trying to hear thank you

1156
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:45,440
chair what is

1157
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,860
the branding station I didn't see it it's it's it's an area

1158
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:51,000
where as people

1159
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,679
drive into the city it's it's a gateway center essentially

1160
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,480
where it's a an

1161
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,400
entrance into the city branding the city can you give us an

1162
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,920
example probably to

1163
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,380
from the north coming south you know we've got 77 that will

1164
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:04,840
probably be a

1165
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,349
branding center as you as you come into the city you're

1166
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:08,679
entering the city now

1167
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:11,150
it's not fully developed that's that's the reason why we

1168
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:12,000
want to do maybe a

1169
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,159
small airplane to identify what we can do to improve that

1170
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:16,400
area and create more

1171
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,510
of a gateway and entry into the city branding it as the as

1172
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:22,880
the city of Den

1173
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,480
okay thank you actually there's examples in here if I'm not

1174
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,199
mistaken

1175
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:34,159
I didn't see one branding stations would be the stars and

1176
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:35,639
right here on

1177
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:42,869
University and 35 as you come into the city the future the

1178
00:52:42,869 --> 00:52:45,800
loop and and 35w

1179
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,719
gateway or Golden Triangle Mall so these stars would be our

1180
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,119
branding stations

1181
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:56,800
so you can see we've got a number of focus areas throughout

1182
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,199
the city and the

1183
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:02,030
big one that you see here of course is the downtown area we

1184
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:03,480
've got Frye Street

1185
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:11,550
Den Center some of the the ones that are more visible to to

1186
00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:13,159
most folks

1187
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:17,210
actually the Golden Triangle Mall area and all the areas

1188
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:18,800
you see here all

1189
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,760
represent an opportunity for future small area plans so as

1190
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,360
you saw there were

1191
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,019
many opportunities for smaller plans how do we prioritize

1192
00:53:31,019 --> 00:53:32,519
ones that we want to

1193
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:36,739
focus on these lists the list there you see comes from the

1194
00:53:36,739 --> 00:53:39,360
dim plan 2030 and the

1195
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,860
priority is is a major development opportunity that sees

1196
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:44,300
change in land

1197
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:47,960
use imminent change areas that are experiencing land use

1198
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,400
changes where it's

1199
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,639
deteriorating or being abandoned an area that expressed has

1200
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:56,159
a expressed interest

1201
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:59,199
by the community where there are partnership and funding

1202
00:53:59,199 --> 00:53:59,800
opportunities

1203
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,039
and last a need for the introduction of the specific desire

1204
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:05,400
of land use such as

1205
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,659
a mixed-use development or a employment hub that sort of

1206
00:54:10,659 --> 00:54:11,960
thing could benefit

1207
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,880
from a smaller plan so taking these in this in

1208
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,840
consideration the staff was

1209
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,610
looking at what area we needed to focus on in one of those

1210
00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:24,960
areas that we felt

1211
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,949
would need that need is the small area plan area that

1212
00:54:28,949 --> 00:54:30,619
surrounds the University

1213
00:54:30,619 --> 00:54:34,500
North Texas and as you know this body has seen several

1214
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:35,940
applications come

1215
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:40,500
through in the area just north of UNT but we've also seen

1216
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:42,239
some zoning changes

1217
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,590
and applications south of UNT and potential areas for

1218
00:54:46,590 --> 00:54:48,920
development east as

1219
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,969
well as west of the University so we started off looking at

1220
00:54:54,969 --> 00:54:57,039
just the fry

1221
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:01,170
street area and again this is the first smaller plan that

1222
00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:02,760
we have again doctor

1223
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,429
1999 it's obviously outdated there are new challenges and

1224
00:55:07,429 --> 00:55:08,360
there are some

1225
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,960
opportunities as well we started looking at this area but

1226
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,920
we felt that that area

1227
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,530
should grow or should be expanded to cover the years that

1228
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:18,800
we saw development

1229
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,269
pressure occurring and so we started off again looking at

1230
00:55:22,269 --> 00:55:23,880
this red boundary which

1231
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,849
was our first attempt at identifying a expanded boundary

1232
00:55:27,849 --> 00:55:29,880
for the small area plan

1233
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,679
while we're doing this we realized that there was actually

1234
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:34,440
development pressure

1235
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,969
throughout the area around the University and again as I

1236
00:55:37,969 --> 00:55:39,679
indicated some

1237
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,119
down here opportunities for development in this area to the

1238
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:44,559
to the west as well

1239
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:49,670
as east we've got pressures along here north of the

1240
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:52,239
historic districts so what

1241
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,849
we did is we drew a radius a walking radius I believe of a

1242
00:55:56,849 --> 00:55:58,000
half mile a mile

1243
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,900
and just drew this line and we came up with this boundary

1244
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:02,199
that you see here in

1245
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:08,360
illustrating the dark line here so this is our first

1246
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,760
smaller plan and I am

1247
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,719
excited to announce that the City Council last Tuesday

1248
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,239
awarded a contract

1249
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,780
for a consultant to work on this smaller plan with staff to

1250
00:56:19,780 --> 00:56:21,119
develop this small

1251
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:26,329
area plan and the scope will include an outreach plan a

1252
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:28,039
parcel by parcel

1253
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:33,000
assessment of the area an alternative land use to look at

1254
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,239
options for

1255
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,760
development in the area as I indicated earlier there's

1256
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,920
there's opportunities for

1257
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,719
change in land use an urban design site analysis something

1258
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,719
that we would like

1259
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,699
this area to improve is its public realm and so we want to

1260
00:56:47,699 --> 00:56:48,639
make sure that we

1261
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:53,159
address that but of course transportation parking and

1262
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:53,800
housing has

1263
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,510
also been discussed with this board and we hope to address

1264
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:58,800
those concerns

1265
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,519
through the parking analysis the consultants will be

1266
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:04,159
working on housing

1267
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:08,500
analysis and transportation analysis and I want to

1268
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,840
emphasize that the

1269
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,630
transportation and parking is a larger area so we wanted to

1270
00:57:15,630 --> 00:57:17,199
look at the area at

1271
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:22,119
a larger study area comprehensively so parking is not just

1272
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:22,840
to the north it's

1273
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,300
also to the east the south as well as the west so this is

1274
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:27,639
why the boundary is

1275
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:31,170
larger than what we initially started because we wanted to

1276
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:32,239
make sure when we

1277
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:39,360
address parking we address parking comprehensively also

1278
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,280
included will be

1279
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,989
before and after the visualizations as well as

1280
00:57:43,989 --> 00:57:46,760
implementation strategies those

1281
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,599
implementation strategies are those actions and

1282
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,199
recommendations that I was

1283
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:54,409
referring to earlier and each of those plans that you see

1284
00:57:54,409 --> 00:57:55,599
in front of you have

1285
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,309
those implementation strategies it's important to not just

1286
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:00,360
develop the plan

1287
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,630
but have the strategies in order to implement what

1288
00:58:03,630 --> 00:58:05,440
recommendations come out

1289
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:12,010
of the plan so this smaller plan kicked off or will be

1290
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:14,480
kicked off in August and

1291
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,820
the kickoff will include a public outreach inventory and

1292
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:20,000
development of

1293
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,000
database will follow following that will be community

1294
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,159
assessment analysis and

1295
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,449
this is probably most important part of this exercise is

1296
00:58:28,449 --> 00:58:29,760
because this is where

1297
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,409
the data is going to be collected we are going to be

1298
00:58:32,409 --> 00:58:33,840
working with the University

1299
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,719
of North Texas of course having the students in class is

1300
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:38,639
going to help us

1301
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:41,849
collect data that's more accurate so September through

1302
00:58:41,849 --> 00:58:43,079
December is going to

1303
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:47,000
be key we hope to start the visioning process and

1304
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,039
alternative scenarios in in

1305
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,940
around the turn of the year so between October and March

1306
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:54,559
will have several

1307
00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:00,320
activities that will include different stakeholders.

1308
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,440
Commissioner Roselle. Thank

1309
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,949
you. Quick question about the parking and assessing that

1310
00:59:04,949 --> 00:59:05,760
there's been an ongoing

1311
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,530
conversation it seems anytime we have parking requirements

1312
00:59:08,530 --> 00:59:09,440
on new development

1313
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:16,010
about the current multifamily developments parking capacity

1314
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:16,400
and

1315
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,320
inventory maybe this is an encouragement or maybe a

1316
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,679
question or both is it going

1317
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,139
to be possible to get accurate numbers of the amount of

1318
00:59:25,139 --> 00:59:26,199
parking spaces that are

1319
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:29,199
actually being used by these facilities so we know that

1320
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:30,360
when students are in

1321
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,650
school how many parking spaces are being used because we've

1322
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:35,159
talked about students

1323
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:37,190
don't drive anymore they get dropped off it'd be really

1324
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:38,000
helpful during this

1325
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,320
process to talk to the private stakeholders in this and see

1326
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:42,239
if they're

1327
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:44,840
over building garages or if they're under building to help

1328
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,679
understand the

1329
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:49,210
parking. Yes I think that's that's that's part of the scope

1330
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:49,920
that that will be

1331
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,050
included and again the timing is is critical and when we do

1332
00:59:54,050 --> 00:59:56,360
the assessment we

1333
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:01,519
will include the parking counts while school is in session

1334
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:02,840
and look at those

1335
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,579
existing multifamilies to get a better accurate data of

1336
01:00:07,579 --> 01:00:09,400
what is being used what

1337
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,300
parking space are being used and and what the utilization

1338
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:13,159
of those parking

1339
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:19,380
spaces are. So the goal is to start working on after we've

1340
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:20,000
done the

1341
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,030
visioning and finalize our analysis to develop this Mario

1342
01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:25,360
plan in the March

1343
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,889
timeframe hopefully to bring it forward to you all and to

1344
01:00:29,889 --> 01:00:31,440
City Council for

1345
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:39,030
consideration in the summer of 2018. Next step briefly went

1346
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:40,159
through we will kick

1347
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:46,360
off this soon again we are just last week we just got our

1348
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,880
adoption or award

1349
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,510
of the ordinance to move forward with the consultants we

1350
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:51,239
are currently

1351
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:55,639
establishing a steering committee that is that will include

1352
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:56,880
representation from

1353
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,429
the various stakeholders within the area residents business

1354
01:01:00,429 --> 01:01:01,320
owners property

1355
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:07,280
owners students bicyclists everyone that has a stake in

1356
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,199
that area are going to be

1357
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:14,940
considered for the steering committee. We also will be

1358
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:16,360
having stakeholder

1359
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,079
interviews and forming our technical advisory committee

1360
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:21,079
these are the folks

1361
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:26,090
that have the technical data and input so we're not working

1362
01:01:26,090 --> 01:01:27,199
in a vacuum it

1363
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:31,090
includes all the departments within the city and so we're

1364
01:01:31,090 --> 01:01:32,400
hoping to put that

1365
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,800
team together and then lastly again to re-emphasize the

1366
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,880
community assessment is

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01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,179
key we want to get that started so that we have data to

1368
01:01:41,179 --> 01:01:42,960
work from to start

1369
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,510
drafting some recommendations and implementations for this

1370
01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:47,239
area so that

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01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:52,079
we can get ahead at least of the curve to develop whatever

1372
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:54,039
standards and policies

1373
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:57,019
that we need to address those concerns that we've heard

1374
01:01:57,019 --> 01:01:58,079
recently with this

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01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:02,440
board and I believe that was my last excuse me that was my

1376
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:02,440
last

1377
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,880
line I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1378
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:13,679
Commissioner Beck. Just curious we know how this steering

1379
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:14,400
committee is going to

1380
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,829
be selected what's the process and we've we've we've

1381
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:19,639
consulted with our

1382
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,519
consultants and they said that we should have at least 20

1383
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:25,679
to 25 people in this

1384
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:29,110
steering committee seems a lot to me but we're gonna reach

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01:02:29,110 --> 01:02:30,400
out to as many people

1386
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,110
as possible we've internally with staff have identified a

1387
01:02:34,110 --> 01:02:36,000
list of steering

1388
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,840
committee members but we're also going to be seeking

1389
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:39,960
nominations from our

1390
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,300
council to also get their input so it will be a wide range

1391
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:45,480
of representation

1392
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,710
once we receive a complete list we'll be able to make sure

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01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:52,320
we've got a wide array

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01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,849
of representation so that not only will they be

1395
01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:58,079
representing their group or

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01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:02,300
their state but they will be hopefully objective to

1397
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:04,360
proposing and guiding this

1398
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,760
this process objectively. What's that public outreach look

1399
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,639
like? Are we going to put

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01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:12,420
something on our website, the city's website? Will there be

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01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:12,840
something in the

1402
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,940
newspaper? It's gonna be all the above. Okay. We're gonna

1403
01:03:15,940 --> 01:03:16,559
we're gonna try to get

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01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:20,090
as much input as possible have community meetings at the

1405
01:03:20,090 --> 01:03:21,599
small area plan area and

1406
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:27,670
again involve as many stakeholders as possible. Good thank

1407
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:28,400
you.

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01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,400
All right thank you Ron. So the final presentation for work

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,639
session we left

1410
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:45,639
you almost an hour is a discussion on our construction

1411
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:47,159
criteria manual by John

1412
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:50,389
Davis. I think while John's getting ready it's a good time

1413
01:03:50,389 --> 01:03:52,239
for us let's break and

1414
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,750
grab our food and then we won't have to interrupt you and

1415
01:03:54,750 --> 01:03:55,800
you can just have the

1416
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:01,760
full remainder. So at 537 we'll take a short break and get

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01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,320
some food and get

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01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,159
back as quick as we can.

1419
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:20,980
Good evening and welcome back to the Planning and Zoning

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01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:21,480
Work Session

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:34,079
Commission meeting. Call us back to order at 545. Thank you

1422
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:34,800
Mr. Chairman,

1423
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,349
Commissioners. I'm here to talk with you about the small

1424
01:04:38,349 --> 01:04:39,440
cell no that was a

1425
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:47,119
previous talk. I'm sorry. Bad joke. Actually you have to

1426
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:48,159
blame Jennifer and

1427
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:53,349
Chandria and for me for me being back here tonight and all

1428
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:54,239
they didn't think

1429
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:58,989
you they thought I talked too slow last time. Jennifer

1430
01:04:58,989 --> 01:05:01,119
thinks I short-changed you

1431
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:05,949
by not going over the construction manual and Chandria

1432
01:05:05,949 --> 01:05:07,079
worked the your

1433
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:09,880
agenda around so I could be here tonight. So you've got to

1434
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,360
blame both of them. But

1435
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,929
here I'm really I'm here to go over the proposed changes in

1436
01:05:16,929 --> 01:05:18,119
the construction

1437
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,159
manual with you. There have been a couple of little changes

1438
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:21,760
since then.

1439
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,070
Commissioner Beck and Commissioner Ellis pointed out a

1440
01:05:25,070 --> 01:05:27,400
couple of things that we

1441
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,519
corrected up there and all. This is not nearly as long as

1442
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:34,039
last time. It's less

1443
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:37,570
than half the length of it so I hope that I can get through

1444
01:05:37,570 --> 01:05:38,480
it and not hold

1445
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:44,610
you up any tonight this evening. The major changes that are

1446
01:05:44,610 --> 01:05:45,400
in your agenda

1447
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,949
have been updated a little more definition there a little

1448
01:05:50,949 --> 01:05:51,480
more

1449
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:57,719
identification of some more minor detailed changes there.

1450
01:05:57,719 --> 01:05:59,460
The construction

1451
01:05:59,460 --> 01:06:02,090
manual has three sections public works construction

1452
01:06:02,090 --> 01:06:03,519
building construction and

1453
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:07,489
parking lot construction. The section one and three are

1454
01:06:07,489 --> 01:06:09,360
engineering items and

1455
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,530
section two is building inspection items there. It's a

1456
01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:16,119
general instruction book to

1457
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:22,219
developers and engineers and architects on how to prepare

1458
01:06:22,219 --> 01:06:24,159
plans and what the

1459
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:28,960
general process is in preparing and getting your plans

1460
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,519
approved there. Page

1461
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:40,219
four well here on page one three the overview just some

1462
01:06:40,219 --> 01:06:42,159
cleanup and update

1463
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:47,809
there referencing the current codes and some of the names

1464
01:06:47,809 --> 01:06:49,960
here. We've encouraged

1465
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,469
new and innovative products and construction methods there

1466
01:06:54,469 --> 01:06:54,960
but we

1467
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,570
indicate that review of an evaluation of those things may

1468
01:06:58,570 --> 01:06:59,920
take longer than the

1469
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:08,369
normal process. Under public works construction the

1470
01:07:08,369 --> 01:07:10,119
responsibility just

1471
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:14,739
identifying that the design engineer or the architect is

1472
01:07:14,739 --> 01:07:16,360
responsible or liable

1473
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,019
for all of those and the city is not assuming any design

1474
01:07:21,019 --> 01:07:22,639
responsibility with

1475
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:28,360
its review there. We've changed from street plan and

1476
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,360
profile requiring grades

1477
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:36,440
at 50 foot intervals instead of at 100 foot intervals

1478
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,519
previously and there was

1479
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:42,920
no oversight before now we ask for thickness of the

1480
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,480
pavement as well as the

1481
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:52,639
type of pavement. Topography there asking in addition to

1482
01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:54,119
the 100 year flood limits

1483
01:07:54,119 --> 01:08:00,159
the elevations of those limits also in those areas. At

1484
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:03,679
identification of the when

1485
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:07,389
a development contract is required is required before a

1486
01:08:07,389 --> 01:08:08,719
final plaque can be

1487
01:08:08,719 --> 01:08:11,769
submitted for approval by the Planning and Zoning

1488
01:08:11,769 --> 01:08:14,000
Commission by your commission

1489
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:23,420
here. Exhibits the previously we had only exhibit A and we

1490
01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:26,319
have exhibit B for

1491
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:31,239
the developer contract. Exhibit A denotes the public

1492
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:33,359
infrastructure that will be

1493
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:38,489
constructed and gives a cost estimate for those. Exhibit B

1494
01:08:38,489 --> 01:08:40,560
provides the private

1495
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,609
infrastructure that will be provided there. Site

1496
01:08:43,609 --> 01:08:46,359
infrastructure there's the

1497
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:52,699
difference in how our fees are computed there for the

1498
01:08:52,699 --> 01:08:55,279
inspection fees on it. We

1499
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:01,970
inspect our inspectors inspect private parking lots for BJs

1500
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:03,760
, other fast food

1501
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,619
places and restaurants around town commercial places as

1502
01:09:07,619 --> 01:09:08,880
well as the public

1503
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,970
roadways that are being constructed and the water and sewer

1504
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:12,800
that are being

1505
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:18,920
constructed for public acceptance there.

1506
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:27,689
And a clarification of the how the inspection fee is

1507
01:09:27,689 --> 01:09:29,880
computed here at three

1508
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,819
and a half percent of both the public improvements and the

1509
01:09:32,819 --> 01:09:33,920
private improvements

1510
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,619
that are to be inspected by the Public Works Inspection

1511
01:09:38,619 --> 01:09:44,000
Group. Here's some word

1512
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:50,289
smithing and we require now eight sets of plans instead of

1513
01:09:50,289 --> 01:09:51,760
four sets to be

1514
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,470
submitted hardcopy plans to be submitted for signing and

1515
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:57,279
stamping as accepted by

1516
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:01,250
the city for construction. The city keeps two of those sets

1517
01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:02,680
for itself and returns

1518
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,329
six sets to the developer and the contractor there and if

1519
01:10:06,329 --> 01:10:07,359
they want more

1520
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:10,779
sets they can bring more and have those but they usually

1521
01:10:10,779 --> 01:10:12,039
distribute them of

1522
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:16,020
course to the design engineer the contractor and subs on

1523
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:17,159
the project there.

1524
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:21,460
You may have a roadway contractor, a pipeline contractor

1525
01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:23,119
that does sanitary sewer

1526
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:28,930
and storm drainage and another contractor who does water

1527
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:33,560
lines. Some

1528
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,779
topics that are covered in the pre-construction meeting and

1529
01:10:37,779 --> 01:10:38,479
just some

1530
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,539
word smithing there indicating that the people who are

1531
01:10:43,539 --> 01:10:45,239
noted below in the

1532
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:49,039
required attendance section or need to attend the pre-const

1533
01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:50,159
ruction meeting

1534
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:56,260
there. Material submittals we require a submittal of

1535
01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:58,239
materials that are going to

1536
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:01,819
be used on the job so we can check to make sure that they

1537
01:11:01,819 --> 01:11:02,960
are acceptable

1538
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,479
materials by the city before they're ordered and delivered

1539
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:09,800
to the job. Here in

1540
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,819
this case we used to require three sets we require one set

1541
01:11:13,819 --> 01:11:14,960
now preferably

1542
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:23,920
electronically. Adding that the traffic control plan should

1543
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,840
be in compliance

1544
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:30,189
with the Texas manual of uniform traffic control devices

1545
01:11:30,189 --> 01:11:34,600
there. Street closure

1546
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,789
indicating that contractor needs to contact the inspector

1547
01:11:38,789 --> 01:11:40,359
48 hours prior to

1548
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:45,319
closure that's two hours or less and a minimum of one week

1549
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:47,359
ahead of time for

1550
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:52,270
closures that exceed two hours there. If you're going to

1551
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:53,640
have it closed more

1552
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,710
than two hours we've got a lot more people that need to be

1553
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:58,319
notified. Emergency

1554
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:04,489
services need to be notified in those areas there. Abbrevi

1555
01:12:04,489 --> 01:12:06,520
ation of the North

1556
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:15,039
Central Texas cog. Field changes change orders in the field

1557
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,039
how to process those

1558
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:21,220
simply that they've got to be reviewed and approved by the

1559
01:12:21,220 --> 01:12:22,520
design engineer

1560
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,489
prior to submitting to the city and then routed through the

1561
01:12:26,489 --> 01:12:27,479
city and to the

1562
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:35,470
inspectors there. And section 2 building construction is

1563
01:12:35,470 --> 01:12:38,800
basically a general

1564
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:44,399
process that is required by building inspection.

1565
01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:50,359
Adding the energy code and the property maintenance code

1566
01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:51,319
that the

1567
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:59,819
city has. It's really the primary purpose of most of the

1568
01:12:59,819 --> 01:13:00,920
changes in this section

1569
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,619
are to update the section to fit the new codes there and

1570
01:13:05,619 --> 01:13:06,640
the city's

1571
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:12,390
requirements. Here we list each of the city's adopted codes

1572
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:13,560
for the electrical

1573
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:19,390
code, the building code, and fire code, and plumbing code,

1574
01:13:19,390 --> 01:13:23,399
and so forth. New

1575
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:27,810
location for the building inspection department or division

1576
01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:29,680
there. Change in

1577
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,680
nomenclature from new single to one and two family

1578
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,800
residential and that we now

1579
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:43,039
submit require submittal plans electronically via the city

1580
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:43,159
's

1581
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:49,260
e-track it system and project dock system. And then goes

1582
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:51,119
through and shows

1583
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:56,100
what we currently require for those plans. General

1584
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,600
requirements of the plans

1585
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:04,409
and what are generally required on the plans there. Energy

1586
01:14:04,409 --> 01:14:06,640
code requirement.

1587
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:14,680
Previously, Mr. Beck noted that even a simple engineer like

1588
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,039
I could tell that

1589
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:21,960
joists are not part of the wall section there and that ra

1590
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,520
fter sizes aren't part

1591
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,939
of wall section. But he happily pointed out that hey those

1592
01:14:27,939 --> 01:14:29,079
don't seem to fit in

1593
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:34,000
the wall section. So we set up a new framing section and

1594
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,760
included the roofing

1595
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,140
portions in that framing section there. Thank you for

1596
01:14:40,140 --> 01:14:41,600
pointing that out.

1597
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,920
Going on through electrical stormwater construction site

1598
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,560
surveys, the utility

1599
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:03,399
site plan, the construction plan submittal for commercial.

1600
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:04,319
The first part

1601
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:07,680
that I went through was for residential one and two family

1602
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,439
residential

1603
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:14,409
structures. Now these are for the commercial. Again using

1604
01:15:14,409 --> 01:15:15,159
submit them

1605
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:20,140
through project docs using the trac it tool and then

1606
01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:22,000
updating the requirements

1607
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:29,640
for plans and sections of plans there for those areas.

1608
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:38,720
On site permit requirements updating that section. You will

1609
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,319
recall that this

1610
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:46,039
this document was last updated in February of 2002 I

1611
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:47,760
believe it was. So

1612
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:53,989
it's a lot of updating over 15 years there. We don't call

1613
01:15:53,989 --> 01:15:55,420
it clearing and

1614
01:15:55,420 --> 01:16:02,520
grading and landscaping anymore it's a site plan permit.

1615
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,880
New hours are current

1616
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:10,939
hours for the inspection requests. John pause on that. I

1617
01:16:10,939 --> 01:16:12,560
think that's changed I

1618
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,630
think. I think now permit requests have to be turned in by

1619
01:16:17,630 --> 01:16:21,359
4 p.m. Okay.

1620
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:30,439
All right thank you. Next day. I think that's just changing

1621
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:31,000
the last couple

1622
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:39,140
weeks. Can't keep up with those planners. Always sending

1623
01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:43,479
memos. I'm glad they send

1624
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,250
the memos we just try hard to keep up with all of them

1625
01:16:47,250 --> 01:16:48,119
sometimes.

1626
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:57,539
That's just been a few. Glad to get home. We don't want to

1627
01:16:57,539 --> 01:16:59,720
do that. You don't want to hear

1628
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:11,949
me drone on and on. Yes sir. Thank you chair. Commissioner

1629
01:17:11,949 --> 01:17:14,359
Beck. On final

1630
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:17,890
inspection Jay it says third-party tester must provide

1631
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:18,920
forms to verify

1632
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,199
energy co-compliance prior to release of final inspection.

1633
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:23,479
Can you tell us what a

1634
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,760
third-party integer tester is and what exactly do they do

1635
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,199
and is it mandated by

1636
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:35,239
the city? No. No sir I can't. I'm sorry.

1637
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:43,180
Nobody can. I can. Can you? Sure. Okay what is a third-

1638
01:17:43,180 --> 01:17:45,640
party? They may be can as well.

1639
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,140
City requires third-party energy testers to be registered

1640
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:51,119
with the city and

1641
01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:57,079
they're the ones that do the initial analysis of our plans

1642
01:17:57,079 --> 01:17:57,960
that it'll meet

1643
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,970
the proposed energy code and then they will come out at the

1644
01:18:00,970 --> 01:18:02,560
end of the job on

1645
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,979
residential structures and do a what's called a blower door

1646
01:18:06,979 --> 01:18:07,680
test and a

1647
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:13,399
blaster test and certify that the structure is in

1648
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:14,720
compliance with the

1649
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,199
pre-designed type fitting in other words. It meets the

1650
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:21,119
requirements and they will

1651
01:18:21,119 --> 01:18:24,270
certify that on a city of Denton has been a city of Denton

1652
01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:25,359
form and you hand

1653
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:28,149
that to your building inspector for your part of your final

1654
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:29,439
. Okay.

1655
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:39,319
Thank you. About at least $500 a house. Money will spend.

1656
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:40,520
It's just money.

1657
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,529
It's another another fee. For the homeowner I'm sure. Thank

1658
01:18:44,529 --> 01:18:47,600
you Mr. Chair. Yeah. I had no idea.

1659
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:58,420
Glad to help. I have a question there on your plumbing

1660
01:18:58,420 --> 01:19:02,560
rough. In this we no longer

1661
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:08,199
allow air tests on on plumbing anymore. That's my

1662
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:10,159
understanding from the

1663
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:14,760
building inspection. Okay that's great as long as you've

1664
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,159
got water service there

1665
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:20,250
sometimes you run a delay from when you initially request

1666
01:19:20,250 --> 01:19:21,840
your utilities to be

1667
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:28,529
able to get a water meter set but just a question. We've

1668
01:19:28,529 --> 01:19:29,479
done that in a number of

1669
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,850
instances before to put an air test on things to keep a

1670
01:19:32,850 --> 01:19:34,079
project moving while

1671
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:41,170
we're waiting for utilities to be connected especially if

1672
01:19:41,170 --> 01:19:42,560
you've got to

1673
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,079
move a tap or something like that that it's going to be in

1674
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:47,239
a approach or the

1675
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:49,899
sidewalk or whatever and it needs to be relocated before

1676
01:19:49,899 --> 01:19:51,039
they'll set up a water

1677
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:55,359
meter but just an observation.

1678
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,600
I'm sorry I'm a slow writer also.

1679
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:26,199
And their foundation are pier hole inspections, exterior

1680
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:27,000
sheathing and

1681
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,760
wind bracing inspections. Would you go back as was the

1682
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,079
minimum finished floor

1683
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:36,189
up there at the beginning too? Did I miss that? I remember

1684
01:20:36,189 --> 01:20:37,720
reading it the other night.

1685
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:43,319
It was just a question as to what is required for that.

1686
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,970
I'm sorry what section is that in now? Right there on

1687
01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:51,880
foundation right here.

1688
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:57,430
See on foundation where it says a form board survey. It

1689
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:59,119
doesn't specifically

1690
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:02,869
require what's called an elevation certificate and

1691
01:21:02,869 --> 01:21:04,279
sometimes we have a

1692
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:08,619
requirement that we've got to have an elevation certificate

1693
01:21:08,619 --> 01:21:10,000
and I don't know

1694
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,210
if that needs to be clarified so it's clear as to what is

1695
01:21:13,210 --> 01:21:14,560
actually going to be

1696
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,420
required there versus just a what's called an FFE where

1697
01:21:19,420 --> 01:21:20,399
they just put the

1698
01:21:20,399 --> 01:21:23,899
elevation on there versus the actual elevation certificate

1699
01:21:23,899 --> 01:21:24,920
paperwork. It's a

1700
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,979
FEMA form that has to be filled out on how that's going to

1701
01:21:29,979 --> 01:21:31,359
be implemented in

1702
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:35,380
regards to being close to drainage. I think there's a

1703
01:21:35,380 --> 01:21:36,720
requirement if it's been

1704
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,460
200 feet or something like that of floodplain or next to

1705
01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:41,880
drainage easement

1706
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,140
but I don't believe the new and when I read it the other

1707
01:21:45,140 --> 01:21:46,039
night in the new

1708
01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:48,449
requirements it talks anywhere in there about an elevation

1709
01:21:48,449 --> 01:21:49,479
certificate which is

1710
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,960
I think what's currently required.

1711
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,760
It's more expensive it'd be nice just to get an FFE but

1712
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,239
that may not meet the

1713
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:05,529
requirement so I think it needs to be clear because I've

1714
01:22:05,529 --> 01:22:06,319
had a run into that

1715
01:22:06,319 --> 01:22:09,220
before at the end is you think you're getting a final and

1716
01:22:09,220 --> 01:22:10,319
then you're required

1717
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:14,579
to get a elevation certificate and have to wait a week to

1718
01:22:14,579 --> 01:22:16,239
get one. I know in

1719
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:21,720
other areas basically the elevation certificate is required

1720
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:22,399
when you're in a

1721
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:26,180
flood zone or immediately adjacent that's a very good point

1722
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:27,520
about making a

1723
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,649
clarification and covering that in this section here. Thank

1724
01:22:31,649 --> 01:22:32,640
you.

1725
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:43,569
Commissioner Beck. Thank You Chair. On 23 here I wrote a

1726
01:22:43,569 --> 01:22:46,399
note. It says on certificates of

1727
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:51,920
occupancy D2 a written request shall be submitted including

1728
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:52,960
a list of remaining

1729
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,369
items with a completion date for each item. Who submits the

1730
01:22:56,369 --> 01:22:58,199
written request for

1731
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:02,369
temporary certificate of occupancy? The builder or the home

1732
01:23:02,369 --> 01:23:04,720
owner? Contractor.

1733
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:11,640
Okay. I'm sorry where was that? It was on 23 D2 under

1734
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:12,760
temporary certificate of

1735
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:17,920
occupancy. I was just

1736
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:43,220
clear on who had to submit that. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I

1737
01:23:43,220 --> 01:23:43,560
think up above there

1738
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,329
before you move on I think there was a question I had on

1739
01:23:46,329 --> 01:23:47,039
insulation

1740
01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:50,039
inspection.

1741
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:06,180
It's not in that. There was another section somewhere. That

1742
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:09,520
one's fine. You

1743
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,560
may be correct in the one that I had last time for you I

1744
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:14,479
think it actually

1745
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:19,720
said before sheetrock drywall is installed and before roof

1746
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:20,399
ing is

1747
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:23,939
installed. I said wait a second that's not quite. That's

1748
01:24:23,939 --> 01:24:25,000
what it was. I remember

1749
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,069
when I read it I thought that's not an exact definition so

1750
01:24:28,069 --> 01:24:29,840
that one is correct.

1751
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,520
The one that was in the backup was not. So thank you for

1752
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,520
the catch on that

1753
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,399
already. Sure. I think it was someone's fingers were a

1754
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:40,119
little faster than their

1755
01:24:40,119 --> 01:24:46,890
thoughts. On the landscape is there still a do you all

1756
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:49,960
still allow delays on those

1757
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,720
for weather? Okay.

1758
01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:26,930
And then clarifying what the current requirement for

1759
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:28,119
temporary certificate

1760
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:40,079
of occupancy is. And since your last since I brought it to

1761
01:25:40,079 --> 01:25:42,399
you last we've

1762
01:25:42,399 --> 01:25:46,550
changed the building inspection has changed the paragraph

1763
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:47,319
title from

1764
01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:51,319
interpretations to code amendments and I think we may still

1765
01:25:51,319 --> 01:25:52,520
need to work a little

1766
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:58,310
bit on that wording for the title. Basically it identifies

1767
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:59,399
a number of

1768
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:03,279
situations not all situations but a number of situations

1769
01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:04,279
where the city

1770
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:08,069
requires a permit or does not require a permit. And

1771
01:26:08,069 --> 01:26:11,079
Commissioner Ellis last time

1772
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:16,270
I was with you appropriately pointed out that she gets a

1773
01:26:16,270 --> 01:26:18,520
lot of questions. Do I

1774
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,569
need a permit for a fence? Yes and so we've added that

1775
01:26:22,569 --> 01:26:24,680
section here. Probably

1776
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:29,170
need to reword that a little bit more to make it something

1777
01:26:29,170 --> 01:26:31,119
like you do need to

1778
01:26:31,119 --> 01:26:34,649
apply for a permit application fencing fence permit

1779
01:26:34,649 --> 01:26:36,560
application is required for

1780
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,260
this or something like that. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you

1781
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:43,079
chair and on that we're

1782
01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:45,609
talking about new fencing, repairs to fencing, replacement

1783
01:26:45,609 --> 01:26:46,399
of fencing or all

1784
01:26:46,399 --> 01:26:51,560
fencing. Right I mean is it all fencing anything regarding

1785
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,720
fencing or? I don't

1786
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,600
believe repairs to fencing are required basically what the

1787
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,640
city is looking for

1788
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,409
is to ensure that you're not about to fence over an eas

1789
01:27:02,409 --> 01:27:04,119
ement or in a flood zone

1790
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:09,279
area there and if you are then we need to make you aware of

1791
01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:11,039
that easement that

1792
01:27:11,039 --> 01:27:14,670
flood zone and you can't have certain types of fencing you

1793
01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:15,640
can't have any

1794
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,350
fencing in a flood zone or a floodway that impedes the flow

1795
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,520
of water there. If you

1796
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,619
fence across the floodway with a or adjacent to a floodway

1797
01:27:26,619 --> 01:27:27,359
with a chain

1798
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:32,560
link fence chances are the next really severe rain we get

1799
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,000
that debris is going

1800
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,979
to collect against that chain link fence and knock it down.

1801
01:27:36,979 --> 01:27:37,920
It's also going to

1802
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,430
back the water up and flood either your dwelling or someone

1803
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:42,720
else's property and

1804
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:48,159
adjacent to it. Okay. Commissioner Sullivan. You have

1805
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:48,720
another one? I'm sorry.

1806
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:53,729
Thank you chair. Well on that same note because we've

1807
01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:55,039
mentioned like repairs to

1808
01:27:55,039 --> 01:27:58,119
roofing do not require I mean I think that's where the

1809
01:27:58,119 --> 01:27:59,840
confusion is is can we

1810
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,840
can we clarify something in there if somebody's repairing a

1811
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:04,920
fence or if

1812
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,359
they're using same fence posts and they're just replacing

1813
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:09,359
you know I think

1814
01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:12,010
there's a lot of confusion out there with homeowners about

1815
01:28:12,010 --> 01:28:12,720
who needs to do

1816
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,039
what when it comes to fencing and there's been code

1817
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:17,439
violations written

1818
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:22,310
questionably in my opinion on some so clarifying it here

1819
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:24,600
would certainly help

1820
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,760
a great deal. Sure. I'll step in because I think maybe

1821
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:28,279
there's a little

1822
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:32,619
miscommunication you can do very minimal repairs to fence

1823
01:28:32,619 --> 01:28:33,960
before you have to get

1824
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:39,600
a permit and I think it is one section or something like

1825
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,920
that but I think when

1826
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,149
you have to replace post you have to get a fence permit I

1827
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:46,079
believe I mean it it is

1828
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:49,119
not like you can replace half the fence and because it was

1829
01:28:49,119 --> 01:28:50,199
there before it is

1830
01:28:50,199 --> 01:28:54,340
and I may be speaking out of turn but it's very minor of

1831
01:28:54,340 --> 01:28:55,159
what repairs can be

1832
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:59,170
done before you go get a permit. I mean a lot of people are

1833
01:28:59,170 --> 01:29:00,239
not replacing posts

1834
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:04,119
though necessarily I mean but yeah I guess that there's a

1835
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:04,960
lot of confusion

1836
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,399
out there right? I read through this and was thinking a lot

1837
01:29:08,399 --> 01:29:09,359
of the same questions

1838
01:29:09,359 --> 01:29:13,609
as to what's a permit and what's not. Commissioner Ellis

1839
01:29:13,609 --> 01:29:14,520
just as we're talking

1840
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,399
about this and we're talking about fences and leaving the

1841
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:20,000
diluted language in here

1842
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,489
may behoove us at this time for a couple of reasons one is

1843
01:29:23,489 --> 01:29:25,600
we are improving our

1844
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,649
ability to actually provide over-the-counter permits

1845
01:29:28,649 --> 01:29:29,500
eventually so

1846
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:33,279
we've started off by doing over-the-counter plan review and

1847
01:29:33,279 --> 01:29:33,840
what that

1848
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,220
facilitates is your accessory buildings and your fence

1849
01:29:36,220 --> 01:29:37,319
permits and what have you

1850
01:29:37,319 --> 01:29:40,449
with the DDC amendment we're also modifying the language as

1851
01:29:40,449 --> 01:29:41,199
it relates to

1852
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:44,729
parameter fencing and requirements of parameter fencing

1853
01:29:44,729 --> 01:29:46,039
versus and materials

1854
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:49,750
and all that information is actually being overhauled right

1855
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:51,520
now. We also have

1856
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,029
a caveat with our fence ordinance and that's the property

1857
01:29:54,029 --> 01:29:55,060
maintenance code the

1858
01:29:55,060 --> 01:29:58,619
DPMC because they have specificity related to what you can

1859
01:29:58,619 --> 01:29:59,500
and cannot do

1860
01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:03,279
with legally non-conforming fence materials for example too

1861
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:04,279
so our goal is

1862
01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:09,119
to clean that up and eventually this will whatever we adopt

1863
01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:09,520
will that this

1864
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:15,880
will dovetail into that. Do you get all your questions?

1865
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,079
Commissioner Sullivan.

1866
01:30:17,079 --> 01:30:20,180
Regarding the fences if if a permits required and the

1867
01:30:20,180 --> 01:30:21,479
purpose of the permit

1868
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,310
is to make sure you're not in a floodplain or anything of

1869
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:25,140
that nature does

1870
01:30:25,140 --> 01:30:29,520
that mean that you're gonna be required to have a survey

1871
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,199
done in order to know

1872
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,729
where the boundary lines are and what's there or will you

1873
01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:35,920
be able to use the

1874
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:42,729
DCAD you know lines or I mean to get a survey of your

1875
01:30:42,729 --> 01:30:43,960
property just to put in

1876
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:48,770
a fence seems kind of overkill and expensive. Most of them

1877
01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:49,760
that I've seen

1878
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,880
commissioner utilize the survey that they've had already

1879
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,640
done so possibly when

1880
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,470
they purchase the house or something to show that the fence

1881
01:30:59,470 --> 01:31:00,479
is going to be along

1882
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,189
the property to make sure they know where the property line

1883
01:31:04,189 --> 01:31:05,119
is and to make

1884
01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:08,880
sure they know where any encroachment easements are on

1885
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,979
their property. So if they

1886
01:31:09,979 --> 01:31:13,739
have an old survey they're not required to get an updated

1887
01:31:13,739 --> 01:31:15,479
survey or anything of

1888
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:22,600
that nature. You have to submit a copy of a site plan to

1889
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,600
get a permit. It's pretty

1890
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,600
detailed of what you have to fill out to get one. What side

1891
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,159
the pickets go on,

1892
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:37,439
where it goes, types of materials, all those things. And

1893
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:38,119
that brings up another

1894
01:31:38,119 --> 01:31:43,279
point if I could at this point is and I know this is gonna

1895
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:44,039
sound weird but I'll

1896
01:31:44,039 --> 01:31:47,439
ask it anyway does all the people who work in the

1897
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,260
department know all the

1898
01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:53,520
requirements and know what's required up front so when they

1899
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:54,640
talk to a home

1900
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,060
builder everybody's saying the same thing at the same time

1901
01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:58,720
for the same

1902
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,340
project. And the reason I ask that is obviously I've had

1903
01:32:02,340 --> 01:32:03,680
experience where it

1904
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,960
hasn't happened that way. I know a couple of builders

1905
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,520
because they work with my

1906
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,550
wife who draws the plans and they said okay now they're

1907
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:13,840
asking for this now

1908
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,479
they're asking for that and a couple of people say you know

1909
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:18,439
every time I call up

1910
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,859
there I get somebody different and they tell me I need

1911
01:32:20,859 --> 01:32:22,199
something different than

1912
01:32:22,199 --> 01:32:25,029
the last time I did the very same kind of thing. So I think

1913
01:32:25,029 --> 01:32:26,119
it's very frustrating

1914
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:30,659
you know for for the home builders and the homeowner trying

1915
01:32:30,659 --> 01:32:32,239
to get things done.

1916
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,770
Absolutely I understand the frustration Commissioner

1917
01:32:34,770 --> 01:32:35,840
Sullivan it's actually very

1918
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,680
frustrating for staff as well. What we are doing as I

1919
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:40,720
mentioned earlier is

1920
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,090
that we are in the process of implementing what we call a

1921
01:32:43,090 --> 01:32:43,720
development

1922
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,930
assistance center. We're gonna cross train the team that

1923
01:32:46,930 --> 01:32:47,800
sits up front and

1924
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,350
is the front face that's our front counter and they will

1925
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:52,239
have not you know

1926
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:55,159
they will have basic information as what do I need to fill

1927
01:32:55,159 --> 01:32:56,159
out, what is required

1928
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:59,210
of me, what do I need to fill out, what are my next steps,

1929
01:32:59,210 --> 01:33:00,079
I will get you in

1930
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:04,079
touch with the right people. So we're gonna increase the

1931
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:04,439
number the amount of

1932
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,060
face time we have with our clientele and try and take it to

1933
01:33:08,060 --> 01:33:10,079
the next level. So yes

1934
01:33:10,079 --> 01:33:13,170
it is frustrating I completely understand that our goal is

1935
01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:13,760
to slowly

1936
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,159
strive and implement changes that that are lasting changes.

1937
01:33:17,159 --> 01:33:18,479
We're slowing down

1938
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:21,460
on the quick changes we want to move slowly and make sure

1939
01:33:21,460 --> 01:33:22,079
that we're

1940
01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:25,579
instituting the right team and have the abilities should we

1941
01:33:25,579 --> 01:33:26,560
have any type of

1942
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,560
turnover progression of our own team moving upwards then

1943
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,039
whoever does fill in

1944
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:35,659
their shoes that it's actually a very simple task and there

1945
01:33:35,659 --> 01:33:36,840
will be continual

1946
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,369
training and audits of our processes as well. I want to

1947
01:33:41,369 --> 01:33:42,840
echo I think that would be

1948
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,840
a great change to speed things up I know that has been a

1949
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:48,760
this big part a big

1950
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:52,470
frustration is two weeks to get a fence permit and

1951
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:55,239
sometimes it's like it takes

1952
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:58,020
15 minutes to look at it but so I'm glad to hear that that

1953
01:33:58,020 --> 01:33:58,800
's a change that's

1954
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,199
coming I think it's gonna be very welcomed by the

1955
01:34:02,199 --> 01:34:04,439
construction folks in

1956
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,880
the city of Denton. Right and just to piggyback on just one

1957
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:08,319
last statement

1958
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:10,409
we've actually started doing over-the-counter review and we

1959
01:34:10,409 --> 01:34:10,760
've had a

1960
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,050
lot of people that have come in and so this is what I want

1961
01:34:13,050 --> 01:34:13,680
to do and we've

1962
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,710
been able to assist them so they've saved paying a fee and

1963
01:34:15,710 --> 01:34:16,279
they've saved

1964
01:34:16,279 --> 01:34:18,609
the two-week delay and realizing maybe they cannot do what

1965
01:34:18,609 --> 01:34:19,399
they want to do so

1966
01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:22,300
it's been successful we've you know the pilot program has

1967
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:23,399
worked and we're now

1968
01:34:23,399 --> 01:34:28,319
going to implement it to four days a week. That's great.

1969
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:30,319
Don't go away.

1970
01:34:34,319 --> 01:34:39,430
Yes Commissioner as Manal said it's frustrating to us also

1971
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:40,479
and to the staff

1972
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:44,270
that's giving those answers we encourage our employees to

1973
01:34:44,270 --> 01:34:45,600
if you don't know for

1974
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:50,880
sure go look it up before you give an answer or

1975
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,119
particularly take the telephone

1976
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:55,579
name and name and telephone number of the person and call

1977
01:34:55,579 --> 01:34:56,520
them back check with

1978
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:01,800
someone else but if you don't know for sure go check it out

1979
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,920
in the code or the

1980
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:10,260
criteria manual there and for me if I read it I remember it

1981
01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:11,479
a lot better than

1982
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,439
if you tell me yes you're required to do this that and the

1983
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:15,840
other or something it

1984
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,880
sticks with me longer or something there so it's an

1985
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,520
educational process as we

1986
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,680
indicated before we can't write an ordinance or a criteria

1987
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:27,399
manual to cover

1988
01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:31,640
every situation and no one can know all of the rules or

1989
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,760
regulations or policies

1990
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:44,579
that we have. Continue. I had a question on the siding I

1991
01:35:44,579 --> 01:35:45,640
guess number eight there

1992
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,149
here just went past it back down that's now going to

1993
01:35:49,149 --> 01:35:50,399
require a permit looks like

1994
01:35:50,399 --> 01:35:57,479
to do that. Yes. What's the city's policy I guess I

1995
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,920
can speak for personal and you're accustomed to doing

1996
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:00,880
things a certain way

1997
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,710
for a long period of time and then we have a change where

1998
01:36:03,710 --> 01:36:04,640
it's a cosmetic

1999
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:10,680
issue and now it requires a permit trying to keep up with

2000
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:11,760
we've never done

2001
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,840
that before now we've got to do it what is the policy of

2002
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:15,880
well hey you guys

2003
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,390
didn't pull a permit and we didn't know we've been doing it

2004
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:20,239
30 years doing

2005
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:25,750
cosmetic repairs so just when we make a change on some of

2006
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:26,359
these things that seem

2007
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:29,979
like very simple for folks that have been out in the in the

2008
01:36:29,979 --> 01:36:31,199
industry doing it

2009
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,489
a certain way for a long period of time sometimes

2010
01:36:33,489 --> 01:36:34,840
unintentionally I think there's

2011
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,130
going to be some folks that didn't pull a permit for

2012
01:36:37,130 --> 01:36:38,279
something that they're

2013
01:36:38,279 --> 01:36:40,340
accustomed to not ever pulling a permit with that we've

2014
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:41,119
made a change in the

2015
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:43,289
rules so just want to point that out that there's some of

2016
01:36:43,289 --> 01:36:44,039
those things in

2017
01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:50,260
there too for to be communicated to people going forward.

2018
01:36:50,260 --> 01:36:53,119
Yeah. I think you're

2019
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:57,130
I think you're right also I don't think it's intended to be

2020
01:36:57,130 --> 01:36:58,479
just for cosmetic

2021
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:02,699
repairs and small replacement jobs there I think it's when

2022
01:37:02,699 --> 01:37:03,880
you're going to

2023
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,289
replace the entire wall or section but I'll keep with

2024
01:37:07,289 --> 01:37:09,520
building inspection we'll

2025
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:14,479
get clarification on that. John can I ask a question really

2026
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:15,520
quick I'm not sure if

2027
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,819
the construction manual is where we address this or not but

2028
01:37:18,819 --> 01:37:19,560
is there any

2029
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:26,609
reason why we don't require gutters for homes? They're a

2030
01:37:26,609 --> 01:37:29,920
great idea I don't sell

2031
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:36,359
guttering but I'm a simple engineer. If it's a road bridge

2032
01:37:36,359 --> 01:37:37,800
utility or something

2033
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,810
like that or drainage I build it. Would it be? If it goes

2034
01:37:40,810 --> 01:37:42,119
up in the air I don't

2035
01:37:42,119 --> 01:37:45,609
build it. Okay because this sort of blends in building

2036
01:37:45,609 --> 01:37:47,079
requirements with some of

2037
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:49,859
the public improvements so I was just wondering would this

2038
01:37:49,859 --> 01:37:50,720
be the place where

2039
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,250
we would include that requirement if we should desire to

2040
01:37:54,250 --> 01:37:55,439
make that a requirement

2041
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:59,739
for future construction? Well I think it would probably be

2042
01:37:59,739 --> 01:38:01,239
a code requirement and

2043
01:38:01,239 --> 01:38:05,350
this would be one way to communicate that that do you need

2044
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:07,119
a permit to install

2045
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:13,079
gutters or something like that. So okay I didn't mean to

2046
01:38:13,079 --> 01:38:14,000
put you on the spot I was

2047
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:18,090
just I'm a homeowner. I'm dealing with gutter issues right

2048
01:38:18,090 --> 01:38:21,500
now. So you like them

2049
01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:26,550
or you don't like them? I like them and if they're going to

2050
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:28,119
be required for

2051
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:32,220
insurance purposes they should be built with the house just

2052
01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:38,680
saying. And we don't

2053
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:44,399
cover swimming pools or food safety here.

2054
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:56,880
They are gutters. I like gutters. Over the entryway and the

2055
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,119
exit way of my house so

2056
01:38:58,119 --> 01:39:02,859
I don't get wet coming in and out. Other than that? Gee wh

2057
01:39:02,859 --> 01:39:06,520
iz. Let it go.

2058
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,720
What is the watering plan?

2059
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:23,550
If you want to have rain barrels you need gutters. Section

2060
01:39:23,550 --> 01:39:25,960
three gets section

2061
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,699
three gets into our requirements our public works

2062
01:39:28,699 --> 01:39:30,279
inspection requirements

2063
01:39:30,279 --> 01:39:36,270
there and process for parking lot construction there. Very

2064
01:39:36,270 --> 01:39:37,520
few changes

2065
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:42,180
here going from three sets of plans required to one

2066
01:39:42,180 --> 01:39:43,920
electronic set of

2067
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:54,930
parking lot plans required. Just some wordsmithing here in

2068
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:58,359
this section.

2069
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:09,840
And I think that's it. It's up to your questions. Any other

2070
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:10,960
questions for Mr. Davis

2071
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,600
while he's here? And if you have any comments or questions

2072
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,000
later please feel

2073
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:20,000
free to contact me. Shandria knows how to get a hold of me

2074
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,520
if you don't. So just

2075
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,840
for those that are listening this this is going to complete

2076
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:24,720
the presentation

2077
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,380
for P&Z and over the next is it 30 days going forward or

2078
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:29,899
the 30 days started

2079
01:40:29,899 --> 01:40:32,659
from our last meeting for public comment on all of these

2080
01:40:32,659 --> 01:40:33,680
before it may come back

2081
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:38,710
to us? For the water and wastewater construction criteria

2082
01:40:38,710 --> 01:40:39,479
manual those

2083
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:46,369
started I think the day after your last meeting. Let me see

2084
01:40:46,369 --> 01:40:49,920
we posted the notice

2085
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:55,960
well here we go. For public comment July 27th through

2086
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,119
August 26th on the water

2087
01:40:58,119 --> 01:41:01,479
and wastewater design criteria manual. We needed some

2088
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,399
cleanup and reformatting of

2089
01:41:03,399 --> 01:41:07,260
the construction criteria manual and to incorporate these

2090
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:08,600
changes that the two

2091
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:12,840
commissioners said pointed out we really need to make. So

2092
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:14,439
that one the

2093
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:18,520
construction manual did not get posted until August the 1st

2094
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,239
. So it's 30 days

2095
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:24,720
runs through August 31st there. So if anyone has any

2096
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,640
comments on it they can

2097
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:31,359
email those to me. They're posted on our city website. We

2098
01:41:31,359 --> 01:41:33,239
've sent notices out to

2099
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:37,359
our development community through the e-tracket system

2100
01:41:37,359 --> 01:41:39,520
there and trying to get

2101
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,600
that information out. So if you know of anyone in the

2102
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,359
construction development

2103
01:41:44,359 --> 01:41:48,310
business please feel free to encourage them to look those

2104
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:50,439
up. Okay so just again

2105
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:52,789
for those who are watching the process is going to be it's

2106
01:41:52,789 --> 01:41:53,600
been posted it goes

2107
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,689
out if their request or changes and it comes back to PNC

2108
01:41:57,689 --> 01:41:59,159
one more time and if

2109
01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:03,409
there aren't any changes and it moves on am I mistaken from

2110
01:42:03,409 --> 01:42:05,680
the? It depends on how

2111
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:09,779
significant those changes are. Okay. If we can work them

2112
01:42:09,779 --> 01:42:11,039
out in the furbage or

2113
01:42:11,039 --> 01:42:13,800
something there I don't think it would require coming back

2114
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,600
to PNC. If it's a

2115
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:19,840
significant change it may come back to you. Okay great.

2116
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,359
Thank you for the

2117
01:42:21,359 --> 01:42:25,329
clarification and for those who are watching I think that's

2118
01:42:25,329 --> 01:42:27,239
our last item. So

2119
01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:34,640
at 624 we will close our work session and we'll reconvene.

2120
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:58,449
Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and

2121
01:42:58,449 --> 01:42:59,159
Zoning Commission

2122
01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:04,880
meeting for August the 9th 2017. This meeting has been duly

2123
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:05,760
posted and we do

2124
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,810
have a quorum present and I'll call us to order at 635. Our

2125
01:43:09,810 --> 01:43:10,840
first order of

2126
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:14,550
business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and

2127
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:15,600
the Texas flag.

2128
01:43:21,359 --> 01:43:26,569
To the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

2129
01:43:26,569 --> 01:43:28,359
one indivisible.

2130
01:43:28,359 --> 01:43:43,550
Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one

2131
01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:52,359
state under God, one indivisible.

2132
01:43:52,359 --> 01:43:59,810
All right. Our next order of business will be our Planning

2133
01:43:59,810 --> 01:44:00,199
and Zoning

2134
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:05,199
Commission meeting minutes and I believe there weren't any

2135
01:44:05,199 --> 01:44:06,840
changes discussed in

2136
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,109
our work session so chair would entertain a motion with

2137
01:44:10,109 --> 01:44:10,880
both sets of

2138
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:16,560
minutes. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve both sets of

2139
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,960
minutes. Okay.

2140
01:44:19,079 --> 01:44:22,010
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. I'll second. Okay we

2141
01:44:22,010 --> 01:44:23,159
have a first and a second

2142
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:28,000
for approval. Any discussion? Seeing none we will call for

2143
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,680
a vote on the board.

2144
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:41,840
The motion carries 5-0. That will move us on to our public

2145
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:42,800
hearing sections this

2146
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,770
evening. I'm going to open the public hearing at this time

2147
01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:49,060
for item A, FR 17

2148
01:44:49,060 --> 01:44:56,079
- 0001 and I will call on Haley for presentation.

2149
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:14,850
All right. Good evening. This is a replat for the QT 912

2150
01:45:14,850 --> 01:45:15,920
edition. The property is

2151
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:19,229
located at the corner of University Drive and the I-35

2152
01:45:19,229 --> 01:45:21,020
service road and the

2153
01:45:21,020 --> 01:45:23,920
purpose of the plat is to expand the boundaries of an

2154
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,199
existing lot by taking

2155
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:27,989
in some unplatted property on the southern side and I can

2156
01:45:27,989 --> 01:45:28,560
answer any

2157
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:35,279
questions. Any questions for staff? We got off light

2158
01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:37,239
tonight. Thank you. This is a

2159
01:45:37,239 --> 01:45:39,970
public hearing. Anyone who would like to come speak on this

2160
01:45:39,970 --> 01:45:40,640
item please come

2161
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:46,479
forward at this time. Seeing none we will close the public

2162
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:47,439
hearing and I'll open

2163
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:52,000
the floor for discussion or motion. Commissioner Rozelle.

2164
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,239
Thank you chair. I

2165
01:45:53,239 --> 01:45:59,210
move approval of FR 17 - 1. Commissioner Beck. I second

2166
01:45:59,210 --> 01:46:00,840
that motion. I have a

2167
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:06,159
first and a second for approval. Any further discussion?

2168
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:07,960
Seeing none I'll call

2169
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:17,149
for a vote on board. That motion is going to carry five to

2170
01:46:17,149 --> 01:46:20,199
zero. That will move us

2171
01:46:20,199 --> 01:46:24,829
to our item B. I'm going to open the public hearing for FR

2172
01:46:24,829 --> 01:46:27,960
17 - 0014 and I'll

2173
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,960
call on Julie Wyatt for presentation.

2174
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:47,000
Good evening. The item before you is a

2175
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:53,489
plat of a Park 7 addition. The subject property is located

2176
01:46:53,489 --> 01:46:54,520
at the corner of

2177
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:59,850
Scripture and Normal Street. The intent of the plat is to,

2178
01:46:59,850 --> 01:47:00,560
if it will pull up,

2179
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:06,149
there we go, is to take a platted lot and bring in some un

2180
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:08,359
platted property in

2181
01:47:08,359 --> 01:47:13,949
order to develop this site. And I will stand for any

2182
01:47:13,949 --> 01:47:20,039
questions. Thank you. Thank

2183
01:47:20,039 --> 01:47:23,699
you. Again this is a public hearing. Anyone who would like

2184
01:47:23,699 --> 01:47:24,520
to come before us

2185
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:29,279
please come down at this time to speak on this item.

2186
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:36,800
Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Would the developers

2187
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,720
representative care to

2188
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,880
take a question from me?

2189
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:48,840
I'm the Allison and Allison's Chair group. I represent the

2190
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,880
project and be glad to address any questions you might have

2191
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,359
at this time. Thank you Lee.

2192
01:47:54,359 --> 01:47:59,600
Would you be willing to share any information on dimensions

2193
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:00,720
of what they

2194
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,289
plan on building there? I think we're all aware and a

2195
01:48:03,289 --> 01:48:04,800
little sensitive to heights

2196
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,890
and stuff like that. Would you be willing to share any

2197
01:48:07,890 --> 01:48:10,600
height dimensions? I can

2198
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,720
tell you what I know which isn't a lot at this time. We're

2199
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:14,399
in the process of

2200
01:48:14,399 --> 01:48:22,029
platting the site into a single lot. They're working on

2201
01:48:22,029 --> 01:48:25,119
designs for a facility,

2202
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:29,340
multifamily student housing, possibly some mixed use under

2203
01:48:29,340 --> 01:48:30,600
the current zoning

2204
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,500
without making any zoning changes. So that's all I really

2205
01:48:33,500 --> 01:48:34,600
know at this time. I

2206
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:39,340
know they're gonna keep it as low and compact as they

2207
01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:41,159
possibly can and meet

2208
01:48:41,159 --> 01:48:45,130
those standards. I really don't know more than that. Okay

2209
01:48:45,130 --> 01:48:45,880
and I appreciate that.

2210
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,779
It's good to hear. You know as I mentioned this is an area

2211
01:48:48,779 --> 01:48:49,560
that's sensitive to a

2212
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,640
lot of people, a lot of people on this commission, a lot of

2213
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:52,479
people that live in

2214
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:56,859
that area. So I would just ask that you share with the

2215
01:48:56,859 --> 01:48:58,720
applicant that concern

2216
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:03,060
that you by right have the right to build things a certain

2217
01:49:03,060 --> 01:49:04,319
way but just keep

2218
01:49:04,319 --> 01:49:06,880
in mind to make money to make a profit off this. I

2219
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:08,279
understand that too. I don't

2220
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:11,920
disagree with that but do keep in mind that you are gonna

2221
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,600
be in an area that

2222
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,770
you've got to be a good neighbor to. I understand how

2223
01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:18,239
people feel about that

2224
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:22,159
rather than be the neighbor that everybody wants to throw

2225
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:23,199
out. So just

2226
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:26,689
for what it's worth I want to share that. Very good. Thank

2227
01:49:26,689 --> 01:49:28,800
you Lee. Okay anything

2228
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:35,279
else? Thank you. This is a public hearing. Anyone else that

2229
01:49:35,279 --> 01:49:36,119
wants to speak on this

2230
01:49:36,119 --> 01:49:40,989
item please come forward at this time. Seeing none we will

2231
01:49:40,989 --> 01:49:42,079
close the public

2232
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:46,479
hearing and open the floor for discussion or motion.

2233
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,229
Chair will make a motion for approval because it meets the

2234
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:56,920
technical

2235
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:01,920
requirements of planning. Commissioner Rozelle. Second.

2236
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,680
Member first and a second

2237
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:10,369
for approval. Any further discussion? Seeing none we'll

2238
01:50:10,369 --> 01:50:11,159
call for a vote on the

2239
01:50:11,159 --> 01:50:13,359
board.

2240
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:25,659
The motion is going to carry 5-0. I will move us to item C

2241
01:50:25,659 --> 01:50:26,800
and I will open the

2242
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:33,180
public hearing on Z 17-0014 and I will call on Muzzei for

2243
01:50:33,180 --> 01:50:34,880
presentation.

2244
01:50:45,079 --> 01:50:46,229
The request is for zoning change for the project Duluth

2245
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:49,840
Trading Company in

2246
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:55,649
Northern Tools and Plus Equipment. The site is located west

2247
01:50:55,649 --> 01:50:57,239
of I-35 southbound

2248
01:50:57,239 --> 01:50:59,630
service road and approximately a thousand feet south of

2249
01:50:59,630 --> 01:51:01,520
West University Drive and

2250
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,439
applicant has requested to rezone approximately five acres

2251
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:06,840
from industrial

2252
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:12,270
center employment to a regional center commercial downtown

2253
01:51:12,270 --> 01:51:13,600
and the zoning

2254
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:22,420
application meets the zoning criteria and it also meets the

2255
01:51:22,420 --> 01:51:23,119
future land use

2256
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:25,970
and it is compatible with the existing land uses that are

2257
01:51:25,970 --> 01:51:27,760
present as well as

2258
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:32,000
the existing zoning district that is present majorly to the

2259
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,119
north. If you want

2260
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:36,239
I can go into more detail.

2261
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:49,810
So within approximately 200 feet of the subject property we

2262
01:51:49,810 --> 01:51:53,760
have RCCD district

2263
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:57,760
immediately to the north. It is currently under

2264
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,880
construction with retail commercial

2265
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:00,880
use. The property fronts on I-35 frontage road and it backs

2266
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:10,279
to the KC S

2267
01:52:10,279 --> 01:52:17,819
railroad and there is the site is ICE currently and there

2268
01:52:17,819 --> 01:52:19,760
is ICE district on

2269
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,649
the south and on the west of the property. Within

2270
01:52:23,649 --> 01:52:25,479
approximately 500 feet

2271
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:34,359
of the subject property we have one more use that is also

2272
01:52:34,359 --> 01:52:35,279
that is zone ICE

2273
01:52:35,279 --> 01:52:39,500
district but as actually commercial use with an accessory

2274
01:52:39,500 --> 01:52:41,000
storage building and

2275
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:46,510
there is a range development across the I-35 towards the

2276
01:52:46,510 --> 01:52:48,359
east. Within

2277
01:52:48,359 --> 01:52:53,079
approximately 1,500 feet of the subject property we have

2278
01:52:53,079 --> 01:52:54,960
about six

2279
01:52:54,960 --> 01:53:00,619
zoning districts which includes CMG to the northwest of

2280
01:53:00,619 --> 01:53:02,479
University Drive

2281
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,310
and Interstate Northeast of University Drive and Interstate

2282
01:53:05,310 --> 01:53:06,880
35. Then we have ICE

2283
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:11,840
district north of West University Drive and we have NR2

2284
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,560
district to the west

2285
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:20,560
with Selwyn School and we have ICG district to the far

2286
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:25,319
southwest. The

2287
01:53:25,319 --> 01:53:30,199
future land use map shows the future land use map for this

2288
01:53:30,199 --> 01:53:30,760
location is

2289
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:34,600
regional mixed use. It promotes mixed use development with

2290
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:35,600
the urban corrector

2291
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:39,439
and it applies to areas that serve as regional destinations

2292
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:40,960
within it promotes

2293
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,859
moderate to high density residential commercial

2294
01:53:43,859 --> 01:53:47,640
entertainment uses with high

2295
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,640
level of scale and density within the city and it is

2296
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:52,239
primarily located along

2297
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:58,449
the major corridors such as the I-35. Mobility plan shows

2298
01:53:58,449 --> 01:53:59,880
that the site will be

2299
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:05,149
accessed through two major roadways which are West

2300
01:54:05,149 --> 01:54:06,800
University Drive and

2301
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:14,529
Interstate 35 Frontage Road. Public notification was sent

2302
01:54:14,529 --> 01:54:16,359
out it was posted

2303
01:54:16,359 --> 01:54:20,279
in the newspaper on July 23rd and we sent out public

2304
01:54:20,279 --> 01:54:22,399
notices within 200 feet

2305
01:54:22,399 --> 01:54:25,340
and courtesy notices within 500 feet of the subject

2306
01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:27,880
property and we received one

2307
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:31,189
response in favor of the subject property subject a

2308
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:32,680
proposed rezoning

2309
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:37,130
which was from the property owner to the west of the

2310
01:54:37,130 --> 01:54:38,720
subject property which is

2311
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:44,819
highlighted in green. Staff recommends approval based on

2312
01:54:44,819 --> 01:54:46,159
the land use analysis

2313
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:49,369
it is compatible with surrounding land uses and immediate

2314
01:54:49,369 --> 01:54:50,479
zoning to the north

2315
01:54:50,479 --> 01:54:56,289
and the proposal is consistent with the Denton plan 2030. I

2316
01:54:56,289 --> 01:54:56,880
'll stand

2317
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:05,760
for any questions. Any questions for staff? Thank you. This

2318
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,720
is a public hearing

2319
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:11,119
anyone wish to speak on this item please come forward at

2320
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:16,079
this time. Seeing none we

2321
01:55:16,079 --> 01:55:19,810
will close the public hearing and open the floor for

2322
01:55:19,810 --> 01:55:21,439
discussion or motion.

2323
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:27,970
Commissioner Beck. I move I approve this C-17-014.

2324
01:55:27,970 --> 01:55:30,699
Commissioner Rosell. Thank you

2325
01:55:30,699 --> 01:55:34,020
chair I will be seconding this I just wanted to maybe for

2326
01:55:34,020 --> 01:55:34,920
the record state

2327
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,189
that this slip of property here in the west of I-35 just

2328
01:55:38,189 --> 01:55:39,199
keeps coming out

2329
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:42,100
piecemeal to us we just had the one north of this earlier

2330
01:55:42,100 --> 01:55:42,960
this year and now

2331
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:46,380
we have this one and I suppose it'll just continue going

2332
01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:47,399
south and south and

2333
01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:50,890
every time it's gonna come back I'm pretty confident that

2334
01:55:50,890 --> 01:55:51,619
this is one

2335
01:55:51,619 --> 01:55:54,329
property owner that owns most of this area and so I know

2336
01:55:54,329 --> 01:55:55,159
that there was a

2337
01:55:55,159 --> 01:55:58,470
subcommittee that was tasked to try to look for these areas

2338
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:59,479
and that hasn't

2339
01:55:59,479 --> 01:56:02,329
really come to any fruition yet but maybe there's an

2340
01:56:02,329 --> 01:56:03,600
opportunity for this

2341
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:07,659
specific parcel this this strip of land doesn't require so

2342
01:56:07,659 --> 01:56:09,159
committee but maybe

2343
01:56:09,159 --> 01:56:12,300
just reaching out to the property owner and saying can we

2344
01:56:12,300 --> 01:56:13,439
just get this taken

2345
01:56:13,439 --> 01:56:16,420
care of because we're gonna have a half dozen more of these

2346
01:56:16,420 --> 01:56:17,399
and it feels like

2347
01:56:17,399 --> 01:56:21,210
it's a pretty logical conclusion to rezone this RCCD so I

2348
01:56:21,210 --> 01:56:22,439
'll approve this

2349
01:56:22,439 --> 01:56:25,170
but I'd encourage staff to get with the property owner and

2350
01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:25,840
see if we can

2351
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:32,210
proactively align this zone into the future land use. We

2352
01:56:32,210 --> 01:56:33,520
have a first and a

2353
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:41,119
second for approval any further discussion? Seeing none we

2354
01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:41,680
will call for

2355
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,359
a vote on board.

2356
01:56:47,439 --> 01:56:55,720
The motion is going to carry five to zero. That will move

2357
01:56:55,720 --> 01:57:00,520
us to our item D and I will

2358
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:06,100
open the public hearing for DCA 17-0008 and call on Haley

2359
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:06,600
for a

2360
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,840
presentation of this item.

2361
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:23,180
All right run through this quickly this is DCA 17-8 code

2362
01:57:23,180 --> 01:57:27,880
amendment related to

2363
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:31,760
medical uses. The request is to consider revisions to the

2364
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,199
Denton Development

2365
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:36,819
Code specifically for amendments to sub chapters 5 and 23

2366
01:57:36,819 --> 01:57:38,079
as they pertain to our

2367
01:57:38,079 --> 01:57:42,000
medical land use categories and definitions. Staff is

2368
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,439
recommending these

2369
01:57:43,439 --> 01:57:46,270
amendments to these two sub chapters to help clarify the

2370
01:57:46,270 --> 01:57:47,159
definitions and

2371
01:57:47,159 --> 01:57:49,880
permitted zoning districts for a variety of medical uses.

2372
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:51,760
We're proposing this in

2373
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,470
advance of our overall DDC update due to an increased

2374
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:55,680
number of requests for

2375
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:59,390
medical uses that don't currently fit within the zoning or

2376
01:57:59,390 --> 01:58:00,199
the land use

2377
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:04,119
categories we have and as you know our medical service

2378
01:58:04,119 --> 01:58:05,800
industry covers a wide

2379
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,510
spectrum it's ever evolving and our code currently just

2380
01:58:08,510 --> 01:58:09,640
doesn't keep pace with

2381
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:14,239
that and provide appropriate land use designations.

2382
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:16,039
Currently we have three

2383
01:58:16,039 --> 01:58:19,359
definitions and land use categories professional services

2384
01:58:19,359 --> 01:58:20,199
and offices is

2385
01:58:20,199 --> 01:58:23,029
pretty much any office open for business related activities

2386
01:58:23,029 --> 01:58:24,119
that excludes the sale

2387
01:58:24,119 --> 01:58:27,729
of merchandise. Medical centers are defined as walk-in

2388
01:58:27,729 --> 01:58:28,479
facilities for

2389
01:58:28,479 --> 01:58:31,920
medical obstetrical or surgical care that are limited to

2390
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:32,920
day use and then

2391
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:36,390
hospitals are any establishment providing eating and

2392
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:37,159
sleeping quarters

2393
01:58:37,159 --> 01:58:42,880
for persons receiving longer-term medical care. This is an

2394
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,760
example of one of those

2395
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,430
uses we discussed that doesn't fit into those current

2396
01:58:47,430 --> 01:58:48,239
categories.

2397
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:51,739
Freestanding emergency rooms and urgent care facilities are

2398
01:58:51,739 --> 01:58:52,399
growing in

2399
01:58:52,399 --> 01:58:55,819
popularity not just in Denton but around Texas. Many of

2400
01:58:55,819 --> 01:58:57,680
these can be open for 24

2401
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,699
hours a day some of them are equipped to handle emergency

2402
01:59:00,699 --> 01:59:01,439
vehicles such as

2403
01:59:01,439 --> 01:59:05,329
ambulances and looking at those three definitions we just

2404
01:59:05,329 --> 01:59:06,560
went through they

2405
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:09,399
don't really fit perfectly within any of those categories

2406
01:59:09,399 --> 01:59:10,640
they're precluded from

2407
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:13,289
being hospitals because they don't provide sleeping and

2408
01:59:13,289 --> 01:59:14,119
eating quarters

2409
01:59:14,119 --> 01:59:16,970
which leaves us to permit them as a one of our other two

2410
01:59:16,970 --> 01:59:18,159
options either as an

2411
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:20,630
office or a medical center and they don't actually fit

2412
01:59:20,630 --> 01:59:21,319
within those

2413
01:59:21,319 --> 01:59:27,279
definitions either. So our intent is to provide some new

2414
01:59:27,279 --> 01:59:28,079
definitions that are

2415
01:59:28,079 --> 01:59:31,220
aligned with the state regulations related to these medical

2416
01:59:31,220 --> 01:59:31,960
uses and then

2417
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:35,310
take each of those and align it with one of three land use

2418
01:59:35,310 --> 01:59:36,520
categories. So that's

2419
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:39,750
outlined in this table you can see here on the left all of

2420
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:41,039
the medical services

2421
01:59:41,039 --> 01:59:44,119
that we're defining the majority of these if you look in

2422
01:59:44,119 --> 01:59:45,720
sub chapter 23 will

2423
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,430
refer to state definitions with the intent of keeping our

2424
01:59:48,430 --> 01:59:49,359
definitions up to

2425
01:59:49,359 --> 01:59:51,789
date with the state code and then you can see here that we

2426
01:59:51,789 --> 01:59:52,640
've grouped them

2427
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:56,050
into three categories what we previously called medical

2428
01:59:56,050 --> 01:59:57,560
centers will be renamed

2429
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:01,409
medical clinic medical offices is a new category we're

2430
02:00:01,409 --> 02:00:02,720
pulling that out of the

2431
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:05,130
professional office category we currently have to make that

2432
02:00:05,130 --> 02:00:05,600
a separate

2433
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:09,000
land use and then the what was previously just called

2434
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,140
hospital will be

2435
02:00:10,140 --> 02:00:14,060
brought into hospital services to now include a wider range

2436
02:00:14,060 --> 02:00:17,119
of hospital types

2437
02:00:18,359 --> 02:00:22,279
within this proposal we are making a cup proposing a couple

2438
02:00:22,279 --> 02:00:23,720
of tweaks to how

2439
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:26,779
these facilities are permitted in our zoning districts

2440
02:00:26,779 --> 02:00:27,960
medical offices we are

2441
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:30,979
proposing to align and keep those permitted in all of the

2442
02:00:30,979 --> 02:00:31,880
same districts

2443
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,369
where professional services and offices are currently

2444
02:00:34,369 --> 02:00:36,319
permitted hospital services

2445
02:00:36,319 --> 02:00:39,079
the same thing we propose keeping those within the same

2446
02:00:39,079 --> 02:00:40,119
districts where they're

2447
02:00:40,119 --> 02:00:43,380
currently permitted but the medical clinic we're proposing

2448
02:00:43,380 --> 02:00:44,319
two changes from

2449
02:00:44,319 --> 02:00:48,239
our previous medical center category that would be within

2450
02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:49,439
the NRM you district

2451
02:00:49,439 --> 02:00:53,409
we require proposed requiring an SUP for this use with the

2452
02:00:53,409 --> 02:00:54,720
intent being that

2453
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:57,930
NRM you often a but single-family residential neighborhoods

2454
02:00:57,930 --> 02:00:58,840
this category

2455
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:01,250
is fairly broad and does include some uses that are more

2456
02:01:01,250 --> 02:01:02,199
intensive and could

2457
02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:05,699
generate more nuisance potential so the SUP would offer

2458
02:01:05,699 --> 02:01:07,239
that ability to provide

2459
02:01:07,239 --> 02:01:11,060
some site design criteria to abate nuisances and then

2460
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:12,239
within the DR to

2461
02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:15,729
district that's our downtown residential district we

2462
02:01:15,729 --> 02:01:17,000
propose to prohibit this

2463
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:20,970
use it was previously permitted with an SUP and seeing as

2464
02:01:20,970 --> 02:01:22,479
the use is permitted

2465
02:01:22,479 --> 02:01:24,989
in other downtown categories that are more commercialized

2466
02:01:24,989 --> 02:01:25,680
we feel that it's

2467
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:30,319
no longer a good fit within the residential district so in

2468
02:01:30,319 --> 02:01:31,479
summary we're

2469
02:01:31,479 --> 02:01:34,989
proposing these amendments to provide consistency aligning

2470
02:01:34,989 --> 02:01:36,000
definitions in our

2471
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:39,609
in our code with the state code since the state code offers

2472
02:01:39,609 --> 02:01:40,800
far more regulations

2473
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:44,220
and oversight on these uses than the city can we propose to

2474
02:01:44,220 --> 02:01:45,239
restructure our

2475
02:01:45,239 --> 02:01:48,399
land use categories to provide three more well-defined

2476
02:01:48,399 --> 02:01:49,800
service categories for

2477
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:53,909
medical uses and then we propose assigning more appropriate

2478
02:01:53,909 --> 02:01:54,199
zoning

2479
02:01:54,199 --> 02:01:58,789
districts to these newly defined categories notification

2480
02:01:58,789 --> 02:01:59,680
was published on

2481
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:02,789
July 23rd we received no responses and staff is

2482
02:02:02,789 --> 02:02:04,840
recommending approval of these

2483
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:09,520
proposed amendments to the DDC and I can stand for any

2484
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:13,119
questions any questions

2485
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:19,520
for staff thank you Haley this is a public hearing so

2486
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:20,319
anyone who would like

2487
02:02:20,319 --> 02:02:24,479
to speak on this item please come forward at this time

2488
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:30,460
seeing none we will close the public hearing and we will

2489
02:02:30,460 --> 02:02:32,479
open the floor for

2490
02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:35,680
discussion or motion

2491
02:02:45,079 --> 02:02:46,270
we have some of just joined we were just closing the public

2492
02:02:46,270 --> 02:02:48,960
hearing on item D

2493
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:57,220
were you here to speak on that item 3b okay we've already

2494
02:02:57,220 --> 02:02:58,279
done that one I'm

2495
02:02:58,279 --> 02:03:05,710
sorry so we will keep item D closed and open the floor for

2496
02:03:05,710 --> 02:03:06,560
discussion or a

2497
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:09,199
motion

2498
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:16,159
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I make a motion that we

2499
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:18,720
do approve DCA 178

2500
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:24,880
okay Commissioner Sullivan I'll second okay we have a first

2501
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:25,760
and a second for

2502
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:30,159
approval Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I brought

2503
02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:30,880
this up in work session

2504
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:35,560
just wanted further clarification this work session was

2505
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:36,800
said that it was there

2506
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:39,090
was going to be working with Clary on the consultants make

2507
02:03:39,090 --> 02:03:39,880
sure this is kind

2508
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:42,479
of done the lockstep but we're not getting another draft of

2509
02:03:42,479 --> 02:03:44,720
phase one how

2510
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:48,670
are we ensuring or what mechanism is there in place to know

2511
02:03:48,670 --> 02:03:49,760
that they have

2512
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,600
this information we just have to wait till phase one gets

2513
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:53,600
redrafted to us to

2514
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:57,229
remember that we wanted this to be included or can what's

2515
02:03:57,229 --> 02:03:58,439
the mechanism to

2516
02:03:58,439 --> 02:04:03,119
ensure that these three categories are being rolled over

2517
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:05,520
into the new DDC city

2518
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,729
council adopts an ordinance for the new medical land use

2519
02:04:08,729 --> 02:04:10,960
amendments we will send

2520
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:14,170
that over to Clary on for incorporation into the overall D

2521
02:04:14,170 --> 02:04:17,479
DC so the consultant

2522
02:04:17,479 --> 02:04:21,119
work is on I guess a later timeline than this amendment so

2523
02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:22,279
we should be able to

2524
02:04:22,279 --> 02:04:26,119
enroll everything and you will be able to verify that what

2525
02:04:26,119 --> 02:04:27,600
we approve here gets

2526
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,810
put into the DDC before it gets adopted because the DDC

2527
02:04:30,810 --> 02:04:32,239
rewrite will come back

2528
02:04:32,239 --> 02:04:35,869
to the PNC for review as we get into the public hearing

2529
02:04:35,869 --> 02:04:40,159
process okay thank you any

2530
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:43,159
further discussion

2531
02:04:45,359 --> 02:04:49,840
seeing none we will call for a vote on the board

2532
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:59,569
the motion is going to carry five to zero that will take us

2533
02:04:59,569 --> 02:05:01,720
to our final

2534
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:07,149
agenda item this evening our project matrix okay

2535
02:05:07,149 --> 02:05:10,640
Commissioner Oselle I brought

2536
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:13,479
this up on the previous item but I just wanted to maybe

2537
02:05:13,479 --> 02:05:14,720
bring to the matrix in

2538
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:14,720
terms of revisiting aligning future land use map with rez

2539
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:21,319
oning I just want to

2540
02:05:21,319 --> 02:05:24,859
reiterate or see if we can bring back to work session the

2541
02:05:24,859 --> 02:05:26,960
that west of I-35 strip

2542
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:30,930
in between the railroad tracks and 35 what needs to happen

2543
02:05:30,930 --> 02:05:32,000
to to kind of line

2544
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,920
that up so we can maybe not have these all piecemealed

2545
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,319
together

2546
02:05:43,159 --> 02:05:48,710
anyone else Shandri you have an update or something you

2547
02:05:48,710 --> 02:05:48,920
were going to give us

2548
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:53,039
I think I called on him rather you're getting ready to

2549
02:05:53,039 --> 02:06:01,880
speak I apologize okay

2550
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:07,000
at 658 I will close our meeting this evening thank you

2551
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,399
everyone