WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Five, four, three. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.500 Welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission regular 00:00:07.500 --> 00:00:10.000 meeting for May 24th, 2017. 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.119 This meeting has been duly posted and has a quorum present, 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:16.000 and I call the meeting to order at 6.30 p.m. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.149 Our first order of business is the pledge to the U.S. and 00:00:19.149 --> 00:00:25.000 Texas flag. Please rise. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:29.269 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 00:00:29.269 --> 00:00:33.539 America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation 00:00:33.539 --> 00:00:40.000 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:48.390 I honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas, 00:00:48.390 --> 00:00:55.000 one state, under God, one, indivisible. 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:00.759 Our next order of business is the approval of the Planning 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:06.000 and Zoning Commission minutes for our last meeting. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:11.560 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you. Commissioner Rossell. No, I 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.000 'm Commissioner Taylor. Sorry. 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:20.000 I make a motion to approve the minutes from May 10th, 2017. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.000 Commissioner Beck. Second. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.000 We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:42.000 We'll vote on the board. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:50.000 The motion passes 4 to 0 with one refusal. 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:57.000 Our next item for consideration is the consent agenda. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:02.000 Commissioner Beck. I move we approve the consent agenda. 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:05.000 Commissioner Rossell. Second. 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:21.000 We have a motion and a second. We'll vote on the board. 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:25.000 The consent agenda passes 5 to 0. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:29.639 Now we move on to our public hearings portion of the agenda 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:30.000 . 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.379 Our first public hearing is HL17-0001, a public hearing 00:02:35.379 --> 00:02:37.520 making a recommendation to city council regarding the 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.490 designation of O'Neill Ford Civic Complex as a local 00:02:40.490 --> 00:02:42.000 historic landmark. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:48.000 And I will open the public hearing at this time. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:54.000 Chandra. Can you introduce the presenter? 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:59.000 I will introduce Roman McCallan up to do the presentation. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:06.000 Thank you. Thank you, commissioners. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:12.000 This item is a request to 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:32.490 HL17-0001, a public hearing making a recommendation to city 00:03:32.490 --> 00:03:33.340 council regarding the designation of the O'Neill Ford Civic 00:03:33.340 --> 00:03:34.000 Complex as a local historic landmark. 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:41.520 This item is a request to HL17-0001, a public hearing 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:43.409 making a recommendation to city council regarding the 00:03:43.409 --> 00:03:45.280 designation of O'Neill Ford Civic Complex as a local 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:46.000 historic landmark. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.000 And I will open the public hearing at this time. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:54.000 I will introduce Roman McCallan up to do the presentation. 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.469 In this particular situation with this historic landmark, 00:03:57.469 --> 00:04:01.310 the first one of 2017, I'm completely not worthy to loosen 00:04:01.310 --> 00:04:04.000 the straps of this landmark designation. 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.919 It was really begun in 1993 by Mike Cochran, Peggy Capps, 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.039 and many of Denton's early preservationists who got this 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:14.000 started. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.959 There's a landmark out in the courtyard here that was put 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:22.779 in the ground in 1993 that appears to designate the complex 00:04:22.779 --> 00:04:25.000 as a landmark, but there was never an ordinance passed. 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.040 And what we're doing now is just formally going back 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.110 through the process once more, make sure we have an 00:04:31.110 --> 00:04:34.000 ordinance attached with that designation. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:38.449 This will assure that what is destroyed or what is built 00:04:38.449 --> 00:04:43.300 within these boundaries in this historically significant 00:04:43.300 --> 00:04:47.000 area will have an added level of security. 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:52.720 At 23 years old, in 1929, O'Neill Ford designed a home on 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.000 North Bell Street for Mary Marshall. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.430 It's now known as the Gertrude Gibson House, and that name 00:04:59.430 --> 00:05:02.860 was subsequent to the home being bequeathed to Texas Women 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:04.000 's University. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.949 Thirty-eight years later, this structure was designed, the 00:05:07.949 --> 00:05:10.000 building we're in right now. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:15.279 So again, it's really difficult to overplay the 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.000 significance of it. 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.620 This is the Tower of the Americas in San Antonio, 750 feet 00:05:20.620 --> 00:05:23.000 tall, also designed by O'Neill Ford. 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.000 He was an advocate for historic preservation. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.000 This is a note from his obituary in the New York Times. 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.149 I didn't realize he had done significant work on the Paseo 00:05:33.149 --> 00:05:37.009 del Rio in San Antonio, which is known otherwise as the 00:05:37.009 --> 00:05:38.000 River Walk. 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.660 He also worked on the La Vijita structures, which are now a 00:05:41.660 --> 00:05:45.600 national landmark, and those structures were built between 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.000 1818 and 1880. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.649 Then there's this other list of buildings, the Skidmore 00:05:50.649 --> 00:05:53.290 College in New York, buildings for Texas Instrument and 00:05:53.290 --> 00:05:55.000 many homes for their executives, 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.680 campus of Trinity University's Master Plan and many of the 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.680 buildings on that campus, buildings at the University of 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.000 Dallas campus in Irving, 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.579 and the Selwyn School here, just to name a few of the 00:06:04.579 --> 00:06:06.000 properties we worked on. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.300 Here is the dining hall of the Selwyn School, here located 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:11.000 off of University Drive. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.170 This is actually an endangered structure in my mind. I don 00:06:13.170 --> 00:06:15.000 't think we'll be able to have it much longer. 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.000 The Selwyn School is relocating. It's unknown where that 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:22.000 property will go, but just an example of a fine building. 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.680 There was a fire in that building. You often hear there's 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.000 not much left of those buildings to save, 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.610 but that smoke damage you see over the doors in the back 00:06:29.610 --> 00:06:32.509 there is the only -- there's a kitchen back there, and that 00:06:32.509 --> 00:06:34.000 's really what was damaged. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.000 The structures weren't damaged much. 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.079 This is just an interesting photo. You can't overplay the 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.000 woodwork of his brother, Lynn Ford. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.389 This is just a home I saw listed either in Houston or 00:06:44.389 --> 00:06:47.000 Dallas recently for $2 million. 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:52.860 His homes are really popular. This is a home in Dallas done 00:06:52.860 --> 00:06:57.000 for the Brombergs, still in existence today. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.600 This is a home in San Antonio, which I sold. This is an 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:04.000 article in the San Antonio Express, the Dr. Wong residence, 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.000 which was bought and then on an AIA home tour. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:11.529 The archives of O'Neill Ford are kept at the University of 00:07:11.529 --> 00:07:15.000 Texas School of Architecture in Austin. 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.149 There's a chair, an endowed chair. The first endowed chair 00:07:18.149 --> 00:07:21.000 of that architecture school is named for O'Neill Ford. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.000 This is the current professor holding that position. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.709 The best known structure that we -- that people know of 00:07:27.709 --> 00:07:31.500 when they think of O'Neill Ford is the little chapel in the 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:32.000 woods here 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.860 of Texas Women's University campus, which was dedicated in 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:37.000 1939, just 10 years again. 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.709 So then he would have been only 33 years old and at that 00:07:40.709 --> 00:07:44.000 point working with a man by the name of Arch Swank. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.689 And he designed -- this is Arch Swank, a photo of Arch Sw 00:07:47.689 --> 00:07:51.000 ank and a professor of art who worked on that window 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.470 that's right above her head with students. This was 00:07:53.470 --> 00:07:56.000 actually built as a WPA project for the youth. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.000 So many youth worked on this project. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.600 I think O'Neill Ford must have been quite industrious at 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.000 seeking those projects. 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.279 Lava Hitta in San Antonio was also a WPA project. So he was 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:07.000 looking for work. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.639 He wasn't unlike -- well, he was an architect that didn't 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.000 come from means. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:14.980 And as you probably already know, he doesn't have an 00:08:14.980 --> 00:08:16.000 architecture degree. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.180 He studied two years at the University of North Texas and 00:08:19.180 --> 00:08:21.000 then didn't have the money to finish 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.829 and went to international correspondence school or did his 00:08:24.829 --> 00:08:28.000 certificate of architecture through the mail 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.000 through an international correspondence school in Chicago 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.000 and became really just one of the most prominent architects 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:38.000 in the country or certainly in the southern states. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.710 Here, what we're talking about, land marking, all these 00:08:41.710 --> 00:08:44.000 markers are on the site already. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.370 The two state markers for Quaker Town, one state marker for 00:08:47.370 --> 00:08:50.000 O'Neill Ford himself over by the library. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.690 We have the Quaker Town historic landmark. It is a local 00:08:53.690 --> 00:08:55.000 landmark already. 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.970 This beautiful fountain, I don't even know, in 1911 00:08:58.970 --> 00:09:02.000 presented by the National Humane Alliance. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.000 I'm not familiar with that group. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.269 Pay no attention to Gerard Ford's 1976. I thought this 00:09:09.269 --> 00:09:13.000 district picked up the big post office, 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.000 but it doesn't pick up that district. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.320 So what it does pick up is the Emily Fowler Library, which 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:23.000 was designed by Wyatt Hendrick in 1949. 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.299 Ford himself designed the first edition in 1969 and then 00:09:26.299 --> 00:09:31.000 the second edition was completed by the Ford-Powell-Carson 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.509 architecture firm, which still exists. It's in San Antonio 00:09:34.509 --> 00:09:36.000 today. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.000 You kind of see his work anywhere you go. 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.460 There you have the ceramic light fixtures, which are so 00:09:40.460 --> 00:09:43.549 significant that were designed, probably made by his 00:09:43.549 --> 00:09:46.000 brother, Lin Ford. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.950 Then you have this building, of course, the Civic Center, 00:09:49.950 --> 00:09:52.000 designed in 1966. 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.440 I'm leaving out so much. That building has a sister 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.000 building exactly like it in San Antonio with the same 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.000 spiral structure on the interior. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.000 It's a civic complex there. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:06.000 Of the pool structures, I believe this is all that's left, 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.419 these light fixtures that are on the perimeter of the pool 00:10:08.419 --> 00:10:09.000 structure. 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:12.000 There may be some other element there within the property, 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.000 but I'm sorry Mike didn't come in tonight. 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.149 He was going to come and present to you all tonight. I'm 00:10:17.149 --> 00:10:19.000 not sure what happened, but who began? 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:22.720 Mike was really, if you go back to your packets, when the 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:27.409 swimming pool structures were demolished, it really created 00:10:27.409 --> 00:10:28.000 quite a stir 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.200 and people were very concerned about that. There were some 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.000 letters about that. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.159 This building, I don't know who designed it, but it's our 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:44.000 senior center, which clearly kept in the modern style with 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:48.000 the low diminished structure within the landscape. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.409 It has the ceramic light fixtures that you can see on the 00:10:50.409 --> 00:10:53.309 left on the side of the building. I think it fits well 00:10:53.309 --> 00:10:55.000 within the property. 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.870 The Denton Women's Club is a local landmark, and I don't 00:10:57.870 --> 00:11:00.289 know its history. I can look at it and guess it was 00:11:00.289 --> 00:11:02.000 probably built around 1930. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:07.350 It is itself a designated landmark. In your packets, there 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:11.000 was a letter from the lawyer from the Denton Women's Club 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.120 that they wanted to make sure their property was a part of 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.000 the O'Neill-Ford Civic Complex. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.559 That's why we've kept that in there. There's a picture of 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:28.000 that landmark. If this historic landmark passes through, 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.000 everything on the site will be protected. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.149 Any work done in this area will have to go before Landmark 00:11:33.149 --> 00:11:36.799 Commission, so this beautiful sculpture that's on the site 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:41.000 would be protected, as well as the Pops Carter site. 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.690 Everything that goes on there would have to go through that 00:11:44.690 --> 00:11:47.210 review process. The Historic Landmark Commission met and 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:52.000 recommended approval, and we recommend approval as well. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:59.000 Do you all have any questions about this? 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.000 Commissioner Sullivan. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.000 Thank you. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:09.279 My big concern is with the number of government buildings 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:14.120 that are involved. How does that work with, as you say, if 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.450 any renovation needs to be done, it has to go through the 00:12:17.450 --> 00:12:19.000 Historic District. 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.919 What would that involve and how much additional cost would 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.210 that incur for a governmental, you know, like whether it's 00:12:26.210 --> 00:12:31.000 the Civic Center, the swimming pool, all these things. 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:36.279 What is the time and dollars necessary to go through that 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:41.000 process and the possible saying, "Y'all can't do that." 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.000 That's my concern. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.419 Sure. That's a good question. So we're making a local, we 00:12:46.419 --> 00:12:49.720 're making a historic landmark designation. If this goes 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.000 through, the city is designating this property. 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.519 It's a little different. It is the city's property, 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.480 essentially, except for, I believe, the Denton Women's Club 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.190 , and I don't know if that's on a long-term lease. I'm not 00:13:01.190 --> 00:13:02.000 even positive about that. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.879 But it would be that any work would be reviewed by the Land 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.330 mark Commission. There's no fee to have the work reviewed by 00:13:08.330 --> 00:13:10.000 the Landmark Commission. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.830 But the Landmark Commission would have to approve 00:13:12.830 --> 00:13:14.000 modifications. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:17.190 For example, we kind of had a little bit of a flare-up when 00:13:17.190 --> 00:13:20.549 the doors here to this facility recently were removed, the 00:13:20.549 --> 00:13:24.000 wooden carved doors that were just down this corridor. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.850 Some work was done, and the old preservationists of Denton 00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:29.639 and Mike Cochran and the people who appreciate Neil Ford's 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.039 work and know that his brother carved those doors and 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:36.620 probably worked on the different beads of carving that you 00:13:36.620 --> 00:13:39.000 see in her space between here and this. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:44.000 I don't know about that piece. It looks a little newer. But 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:44.000 the whole, all the woodwork, so that raised a little bit of 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:44.000 a stir. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.279 And normally that work of exterior work, typically you're 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.500 just dealing with exterior work, has to be reviewed by the 00:13:50.500 --> 00:13:52.000 Landmark Commission. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.929 For example, we have some work that's going to be done here 00:13:55.929 --> 00:13:59.639 in the lobby, and that work would probably just be approved 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.899 by the Historic Preservation Officer because it's just 00:14:02.899 --> 00:14:04.000 interior work. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:10.000 But not really any added cost. Time-wise, it's a local, it 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.000 doesn't go to the state, it doesn't go to the federal. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.789 It's something we do here internally. We can expedite, we 00:14:15.789 --> 00:14:18.830 can hold a special meeting, we can have our Landmark 00:14:18.830 --> 00:14:23.470 Commission come together quickly to make a decision if it's 00:14:23.470 --> 00:14:25.000 ever necessary. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.330 If this had been done, for example, a little earlier, the 00:14:28.330 --> 00:14:31.320 Denton County Jail was demolished here that was in the 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.000 parking lot, and I hadn't been here very long. 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.059 I couldn't find a true ordinance that protected that. I 00:14:37.059 --> 00:14:39.899 would have liked to have a little bit broader discussion 00:14:39.899 --> 00:14:42.850 about that building and its possibility of being repurposed 00:14:42.850 --> 00:14:44.000 , but we weren't able to do that. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.940 But from here forward, if someone wants to raise this 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:52.129 building or any of the buildings, then it would have to go 00:14:52.129 --> 00:14:55.549 before the Landmark Commission. Now, the Landmark 00:14:55.549 --> 00:14:57.399 Commission, say, denied something that the city or somebody 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:58.000 wanted to do. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.320 Well, the decisions of that commission are appealable. They 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:06.399 would be appealable, I believe, to this body first and then 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:10.080 to the City Council or straight to the City Council to be 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.000 reviewed. 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:15.320 So not a lot of cost, a little bit of layer of prevention, 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.960 but then this is pretty hallowed ground from what I know in 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.230 my little time here in Denton. It includes the Quaker Town 00:15:23.230 --> 00:15:26.000 Park area with its history too. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.710 It just allows us to take a little breath when we're 00:15:29.710 --> 00:15:33.669 dealing with this large sort of public land here in the 00:15:33.669 --> 00:15:37.950 middle of the city with these structures, three of which 00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:42.000 were affected by this very prominent architect. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.870 So just to continue. So the Quaker Town does not have its 00:15:45.870 --> 00:15:47.000 own designation? 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.000 It is. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.000 Because I thought it did. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.460 The park itself is a historic landmark. That's right. It's 00:15:52.460 --> 00:15:56.000 kind of overlapping that. That's a good point to call out. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.309 That park already, any work that's done on the park would 00:15:58.309 --> 00:15:59.000 have that. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.529 Now, I think it's important. It's probably not bad. You're 00:16:02.529 --> 00:16:05.000 overlapping it. The boundaries overlap that boundary. 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.000 But then it's, we had in your backup plan that in the 90s 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.919 where the O'Neill Ford Civic Complex was designated and it 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.000 overlapped in that regard. 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.000 Thank you. Appreciate it. 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:20.000 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Commissioner Taylor. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.750 First, I have a couple questions but I first want to say 00:16:22.750 --> 00:16:25.519 that this was really interesting to come through and be 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.000 able to read and research. 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.120 You and I had a lot of discussions about historic 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.750 preservation so this one's more even more enjoyable to kind 00:16:31.750 --> 00:16:34.500 of proceed forward and know his recognition. I was a 00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:38.090 student at Selwyn and actually by circumstances lived at 00:16:38.090 --> 00:16:41.029 Selwyn for a little bit so it's really cool to see that 00:16:41.029 --> 00:16:43.000 kind of talked about in this discussion as well. 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.870 So thanks for being here and bringing this forth. I had two 00:16:45.870 --> 00:16:49.299 questions just so I knew how it got here. Was this, how did 00:16:49.299 --> 00:16:52.679 this get initiated? Was this all the way from 93? How did 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.000 it kind of resurface? 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.549 Well, I don't, I read a lot of what we had available, the 00:16:58.549 --> 00:17:02.049 emails, not emails, but the letters that went back and 00:17:02.049 --> 00:17:05.880 forth. And I really wish Mike had shown up. He was going to 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.569 be here tonight. I'm sure he's going to, so wherever he is 00:17:09.569 --> 00:17:13.000 he's thinking, I forgot to come to the planning. 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.589 But those people, there were early preservationists here 00:17:16.589 --> 00:17:20.049 and for example Peggy Capswell and Mike Cochran is another 00:17:20.049 --> 00:17:23.630 layer. You might remember some of the other names but some 00:17:23.630 --> 00:17:28.559 of those early preservationists, Mike really, Mr. Cochran 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:32.670 really spearheaded the effort to create the historic 00:17:32.670 --> 00:17:33.000 landmark. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.440 And I know that marker is out there in the courtyard today 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.630 because of him and he sent me an email to say I'm really 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:43.880 glad you're kind of putting, finishing the job. I don't, 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:48.259 and I asked everyone, our city secretary for records, every 00:17:48.259 --> 00:17:49.000 record we had. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.420 I couldn't figure out why this last step didn't go through 00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:58.039 or, you know, if it was just maybe the planning department 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:03.029 was very busy and it just, somebody, the ball got dropped. 00:18:03.029 --> 00:18:04.000 But it was begun by early preservation. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.130 Why for you now is a little bit of a mixture of things. It 00:18:07.130 --> 00:18:09.859 was talked about by the current historic landmark 00:18:09.859 --> 00:18:12.930 commission but also an assistant city manager actually 00:18:12.930 --> 00:18:15.000 brought it to my attention again. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.900 Hey, is that, is, the question was asked, is the property 00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:20.990 landmark or not? Is there, and the answer is there was no 00:18:20.990 --> 00:18:24.000 formal ordinance that passed so we brought it forward. 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.750 Gotcha. That's hopefully the only other question I have is 00:18:27.750 --> 00:18:30.769 in my architectural ignorance, it seems like the post 00:18:30.769 --> 00:18:34.119 office does resemblance, resemble some of the architectural 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:38.000 themes. Why is that not included in this parcel and kind of 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:38.000 not. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.119 That's a good question, Andrew. I actually just earlier 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.990 today was thinking that was that we, the boundary went 00:18:43.990 --> 00:18:46.299 around there. I hadn't really, so what happens, I 00:18:46.299 --> 00:18:48.259 photographed the area this morning and I thought it's a 00:18:48.259 --> 00:18:50.000 good thing we're picking up the post office. 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:56.109 And then I was just reminded that the map doesn't go that 00:18:56.109 --> 00:18:59.490 far. What I do know is that the city owns almost all the 00:18:59.490 --> 00:19:02.000 property we're looking at designating now. 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.589 And when we do historic landmarks in Denton, I don't think 00:19:05.589 --> 00:19:09.359 there's any precedent for doing a historic landmark without 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.000 the owner's consent. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.849 And I don't know but it might be a federal, federally owned 00:19:14.849 --> 00:19:18.440 property, the post office. And so it's not owned by so I 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.880 rather than dig into that question too deeply I thought to 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:26.180 myself well, getting, getting that approval or consent of 00:19:26.180 --> 00:19:29.720 that owner to Dan who designated might be a challenge 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:31.000 anyway. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.779 I'm glad you appreciate the bill. A lot of people don't 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:36.109 appreciate, I think that bill is pretty fantastic and in 00:19:36.109 --> 00:19:38.410 about 100 years if it's still here it's really going to be 00:19:38.410 --> 00:19:39.000 special. 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.869 But it's got to get there first. And so right now it doesn 00:19:41.869 --> 00:19:46.420 't look that appealing but you when you land on that with it 00:19:46.420 --> 00:19:51.069 's probably when you land on that with your personal flying 00:19:51.069 --> 00:19:54.000 device it's going to fit right in. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.200 It looks like the Jetsons, you know, the doors slide up and 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:01.819 fly out of it or something like that. I mean it, it, it 00:20:01.819 --> 00:20:04.509 happens and then it's right across of course from the much 00:20:04.509 --> 00:20:07.150 older old federal post office which is in private hands I 00:20:07.150 --> 00:20:08.000 believe today. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.660 Another fantastic building. So this to me was, I would love 00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:15.319 to have that boundary pushed over but boy, I don't think T 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.210 rey would, I mean, consent, you know, getting consent from 00:20:18.210 --> 00:20:21.349 the federal government how would we have gotten that, and 00:20:21.349 --> 00:20:22.000 we can. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.500 Certainly something could be brushed when time allows to 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:28.000 see. I don't know. Sure. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.019 Well I'm excited nonetheless of what we have what you've 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:34.109 done and the historic commission, putting this through 00:20:34.109 --> 00:20:37.000 unanimously to us so thank you. Okay. 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.000 Thank you. Any further questions for. 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.000 Thank you. Thank you. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:51.950 This is a public hearing. Anybody who wishes to speak in 00:20:51.950 --> 00:20:58.000 favor or opposition can come forward at this time. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:01.089 And please state your name and address when you get to the 00:21:01.089 --> 00:21:02.000 microphone. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:06.000 You'll have three minutes to speak. 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.000 Hello. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.559 My name is Masood Ibrahim. I own the property at 406 North 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.000 Bell. I've been there since 1994. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:20.539 And the question that I have is what restriction is going 00:21:20.539 --> 00:21:26.000 to put on the property owners once you pass this zoning. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.420 So, the, you're asking about restrictions on your property 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:34.390 on both to build or to tear building down or something like 00:21:34.390 --> 00:21:35.000 that. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:42.819 This is all of that zoning that we can we can have staff 00:21:42.819 --> 00:21:47.000 answer that question. 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:52.000 Hello sir, if you're, if you're not in that area. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.000 You have really no effect. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:01.440 Any permitting you do or anything you do with your 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:05.309 structure just adapts. There's no. Yes, it's a good 00:22:05.309 --> 00:22:07.109 question. Sometimes when you have some cities have a have a 00:22:07.109 --> 00:22:11.380 boundary that they say if you have a local landmark, then 00:22:11.380 --> 00:22:13.000 within a certain number of feet around it. 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:20.000 But we don't have that. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:29.000 This is a public hearing. Does anybody else wish to speak 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:29.000 in favor or against. 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.859 Seeing no further interest I will close the public hearing 00:22:32.859 --> 00:22:35.000 and open this to discussion. 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:43.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:49.000 I move we approve HL 170001. 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.000 Commissioner is out. I second that. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:57.000 Is there any further discussion. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:07.900 Seeing no further discussion I'll call for a vote on the 00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:09.000 board. 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:14.000 And the motion passes five to zero. 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:19.250 Our final item of business tonight is the planning and 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:22.000 zoning Commission project matrix. 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.000 Does anybody have anything that I have to add or review. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:28.000 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.430 Question on where we stand with the tree ordinance. I kind 00:23:31.430 --> 00:23:36.519 of I'm confused at where that is now out there. So can we 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:38.000 get an update. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:45.569 We actually postponed. Well, we we postponed moving forward 00:23:45.569 --> 00:23:47.569 on that until the state legislature could wrap up this 00:23:47.569 --> 00:23:52.369 session because there was some bills that would affect the 00:23:52.369 --> 00:23:56.160 way we calculate and implement tree mitigation and 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:57.000 preservation. 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:02.279 So after they close at the end of this month, we do hope to 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.519 present a schedule for how we will resume with the tree 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:11.000 code update. But it's we should read restart that in June. 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:16.289 And do you know just you're just going to start from the 00:24:16.289 --> 00:24:18.000 beginning again or okay. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:25.000 Okay. Okay. That's what I want to know. Thank you. 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.720 Commissioner is out. Thank you. And we shouldn't start over 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.000 on that. Just keep going. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.440 I had a question about and I think there's my name and 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.680 email. So forgive me if I am missing an email. But what's 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.660 going on with the staff initiated subcommittee for rezoning 00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:42.000 . 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.210 There was we had that subcommittee planned and then there's 00:24:45.210 --> 00:24:47.500 got table. Then there's gonna be a city council meeting 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:50.000 together. Then that got pushed. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.700 And so I just wanted to see where that stands. I think 00:24:52.700 --> 00:24:55.869 there's a subcommittee meeting coming up. But if I could 00:24:55.869 --> 00:25:06.000 just get a status to address that question. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:12.329 Commissioner result that committee is still in place. 00:25:12.329 --> 00:25:15.509 Unfortunately, we are directed to not conclude a meeting 00:25:15.509 --> 00:25:18.289 until or commence a meeting until we have that joint 00:25:18.289 --> 00:25:20.000 meeting with the council. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.259 That being said, we have also the development code update 00:25:24.259 --> 00:25:27.910 that's that's up and going as well. So a lot of that's 00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:30.000 pending that that process as well. 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.539 So really, we've got some items that we want to take 00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:37.589 forward, but not ready to do so until after that meeting is 00:25:37.589 --> 00:25:40.000 scheduled with the city council. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.000 And there's been no set definitive time on that meeting. 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:48.000 Not not yet. It's time now. Okay. Yeah. Thanks. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.460 I did want to remind you guys that we do have the open 00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:55.289 house, the public kickoff meeting for the DDC rewrite 00:25:55.289 --> 00:25:59.650 coming up on June 6th. I think is a Wednesday, June 7th is 00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:01.000 a Wednesday. 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:04.549 And then we also will meet that week with the for the first 00:26:04.549 --> 00:26:08.630 time with the PNC subcommittee on the DDC rewrite. So just 00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:11.000 that's on the 13th. 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.410 So committee or is the seventh. It's that week is the week 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:19.740 of the fifth. So I have an email about that. Okay. I'll see 00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:22.000 . I'll send that out just to remind everybody. 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:27.000 That sounds awesome. Thank you. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:33.000 Seeing no other request to speak. I will close. 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:42.380 The planning and zoning commission concludes its meeting at 00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:45.000 7 p.m..