WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 meeting for February 22nd, 2017. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:08.619 We do have a quorum present and this meeting has been duly 00:00:08.619 --> 00:00:09.000 posted 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:12.509 and I'm going to call our work session into order at 10 00:00:12.509 --> 00:00:13.000 after 5. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.179 And at this time I will turn it over to Manal for 00:00:16.179 --> 00:00:19.000 clarification of agendas. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.000 Thank you, Chairperson Strange. 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:25.000 We do have four plots that are on the agenda. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.000 They're relatively straightforward. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:29.760 If there are any questions related to that we will call 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:33.000 upon either Julie or Hayley to come and present those. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.000 Else we can dive into the other cases. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:42.000 Questions on the plaques? 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:46.000 Super. 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:50.000 The next item is a final replant. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.969 It does require a public hearing and it too is relatively 00:00:52.969 --> 00:00:54.000 straightforward. 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.960 If there are any questions related to that we can go ahead 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:58.000 and discuss it. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.000 If there are any questions of the Commission? 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:03.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.000 Is this the Hale State? 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:07.000 Correct. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.000 Okay. 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.000 Super. 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:10.000 I do have one question. 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:15.000 Okay. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:16.000 Should I just ask? 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:17.000 Yes, please. 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.000 Okay. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.829 They're going to break this down into two different lots 00:01:20.829 --> 00:01:22.000 when I understand. 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:27.700 I'm assuming that because there are issues with ESA and 00:01:27.700 --> 00:01:34.090 FEMA floodplain that nobody's going to be building on that 00:01:34.090 --> 00:01:37.000 particular lot, but they will be building on lot one. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.000 Is that? 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.760 Hayley, why don't you walk through the plot and with your 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:44.620 cursor for the audience also identify where those flood 00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:48.590 plain issues and ESA concerns are so we can explain that to 00:01:48.590 --> 00:01:51.000 the Commission and the audience. 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:52.000 All right. 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:53.000 Yes. 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.810 So lot one, block B is already developed with a single 00:01:55.810 --> 00:01:57.000 family residence. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:58.000 Oh, okay. 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:02.159 And they are splitting off lot two, block B. And as you can 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:07.219 see it does have a sizable area of zone, I think it's AE, 00:02:07.219 --> 00:02:09.000 floodplain on it. 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:13.000 So there is a drainage easement dedicated for that. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.289 As well we have this easement in the back for a reserve 00:02:16.289 --> 00:02:19.969 pump, I believe that's associated with the pond that is to 00:02:19.969 --> 00:02:22.000 the north of this property. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.439 And other than that it's relatively straightforward, but 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.909 they would be required to follow subchapter 17 and 19 00:02:28.909 --> 00:02:32.319 development standards for being within the floodplain and 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.000 an ESA, environmentally sensitive area. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:39.330 AE, is that a combination of zones or is that a single 00:02:39.330 --> 00:02:42.000 classification itself that deals with 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.000 flooding over? 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.000 It's a floodplain classification. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.000 By itself, just AE, not A through E. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.000 It's not a zoning designation. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.000 Okay. 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:56.000 So is there room in this lot to build a single family home 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.000 that won't conflict with what's there? 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:04.419 Well, it depends on one, what their footprint is, two, are 00:03:04.419 --> 00:03:08.000 they, what their mitigation measures would be with the ESA 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.000 if they were to choose to compromise the ESA, 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.590 as it relates to the floodplain it would depend then on 00:03:13.590 --> 00:03:15.889 what it is they're proposing and it would go through the 00:03:15.889 --> 00:03:18.000 engineering department to make sure they don't compromise 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.000 any of the requirements associated with that. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:21.000 Okay. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.099 At this time the request before you is purely to go ahead 00:03:24.099 --> 00:03:26.000 and create two lots of records. 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:27.000 Okay. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.000 With no, no. 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.360 At this point there is no, we have not been intimated as to 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:33.000 what is being proposed. 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.000 But the request is straightforward. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.000 It is not, it meets our technical requirements. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:39.000 Great. 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:40.000 Thank you. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.000 Well, I'll follow up with a question. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.000 Can they actually build a lot or a house on that lot? 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.000 I believe Earl is here. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.659 Earl, would you be able to guide us as to the floodplain 00:03:53.659 --> 00:03:57.000 ramifications or the zones rather? 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 Earl asked for engineering. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.710 Lot two, the majority of lot two is really encumbered by 00:04:04.710 --> 00:04:10.000 this floodplain easement which begins here and ends here. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.199 So everything east or to the right of that line is all eas 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:15.000 ement. 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:21.100 So mainly your only developable area is this little 00:04:21.100 --> 00:04:25.000 triangular sliver here as is. 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.290 Now however, you know, there is a potential that, you know, 00:04:28.290 --> 00:04:31.100 in the future somebody can come and reclaim floodplain 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:34.000 through a Clomar and Lomar and such that. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.759 But right now as it is, as it stands, this is the only 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.790 developable area that I see that's not encumbered by any 00:04:41.790 --> 00:04:44.000 easements or floodplain. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.079 Well, I guess that's kind of my question and maybe more 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.490 just for information rather than anything else is the rest 00:04:50.490 --> 00:04:53.000 of the lot is clearly in the floodplain. 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.100 I don't understand. I mean, I guess they can replat it if 00:04:56.100 --> 00:04:57.000 that's what they choose. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:02.000 But what the purpose is, if it's an unbuildable lot. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:07.589 We had the same questions and we spoke with legal and there 00:05:07.589 --> 00:05:10.899 is nothing in our code that says you cannot build a non- 00:05:10.899 --> 00:05:13.740 developable lot of zones that meets our minimum size 00:05:13.740 --> 00:05:16.000 requirements, area requirements. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.480 So there's a potential for reclamation and they choose to 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:19.000 do that. 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.000 Perhaps they'll want to sell it. 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.819 We don't know, but at this point, as it relates to the 00:05:24.819 --> 00:05:29.149 technical requirements of subdividing the lot into two lots 00:05:29.149 --> 00:05:30.000 of record. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.000 Well, okay. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:32.000 I'm sorry to ask me a question. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.160 I have a lot of questions kind of living over in the 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:35.000 neighborhood. 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.600 People calling wanting to know if somebody is going to 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:40.629 build another house there and all kinds of questions about 00:05:40.629 --> 00:05:43.000 the deed restrictions for that neighborhood. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:54.000 And I guess maybe legal can speak. 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.860 Okay. Well, I'm going to withdraw my question as on advice 00:05:57.860 --> 00:06:00.000 of Lou because I do have a conflict. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.000 I wasn't aware I couldn't participate in the work session. 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.000 I wasn't going to participate in the public hearing. 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.000 I'll withdraw my question. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.000 Thank you. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:14.000 That's okay. 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:21.000 We could do work session. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:28.000 Anyone else have any questions on this item? 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.000 Thank you, Haley. 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.860 Seeing none, Haley can and she's bringing her stuff with 00:06:34.860 --> 00:06:38.000 the next item is a public hearing request. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:07:07.000 Haley is going to present that item for us. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:12.000 This is case Z1629 for the CST corner store. 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.329 The request is to hold a public hearing and consider a 00:07:15.329 --> 00:07:18.850 request by the property owners to rezone approximately .7 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:22.620 acres from neighborhood residential six to community mixed 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:26.000 use general or CMG district as well as to rezone 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.000 approximately 3.6 acres from a neighborhood residential 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.000 mixed use designation to a CMG district. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.870 And the subject property is located on the south side of 00:07:35.870 --> 00:07:38.939 town along Fort Worth drive and generally at the northeast 00:07:38.939 --> 00:07:41.000 corner of country club and Hobson. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.000 So it has frontage on three roadways. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.170 Currently it is comprised of portions of two different parc 00:07:47.170 --> 00:07:48.000 els of land. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.839 There's a parcel on the north you see there with a single 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.000 family home and then the vacant parcel on the south. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.360 And so just to give you an idea of what else is in this 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:00.000 area. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:02.589 As I mentioned there's a single family home on the northern 00:08:02.589 --> 00:08:03.000 parcel. 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.769 There are a few more single family homes on the southern 00:08:05.769 --> 00:08:07.000 side of Hobson Lane. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.399 The development directly across Hobson is an office park 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:15.990 and then there's multifamily development as well as a Shell 00:08:15.990 --> 00:08:20.000 gas station across from it on country club road. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.670 So currently it is split between NR6 designation on the 00:08:23.670 --> 00:08:27.259 northern parcel and NRMU on the southern three and a half 00:08:27.259 --> 00:08:28.000 acres. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:33.000 The proposal is to take all of this to CMG. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.690 And the future land use for this area is community mixed 00:08:36.690 --> 00:08:40.000 use which promotes a mix of uses predominantly commercial 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.240 but with complementary residential and service uses mixed 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:44.000 in as well. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.740 It's meant to encourage a diversity of uses that can 00:08:47.740 --> 00:08:51.000 develop over time as an area redevelops. 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.000 So some of the considerations we looked at. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:57.500 This rezoning would introduce CMG zoning into this area 00:08:57.500 --> 00:09:01.169 currently several hundred feet north on Fort Worth Drive 00:09:01.169 --> 00:09:04.389 before you would hit the next area where CMG district 00:09:04.389 --> 00:09:05.000 applies. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.830 This CMG designation would encourage appropriate commercial 00:09:08.830 --> 00:09:12.330 uses given the prominent hard corner location of this 00:09:12.330 --> 00:09:13.000 property. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.740 And CMG also conforms to that future land use designation 00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:20.000 of community mixed use. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.289 So staff originally we had reservations about this because 00:09:23.289 --> 00:09:26.490 it would create an isolated zoning district with this NRMU 00:09:26.490 --> 00:09:29.000 remainder that I've outlined in yellow. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.860 However we received an application from the same developers 00:09:32.860 --> 00:09:36.000 to rezone this remaining NRMU portion to CMG. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:41.000 We received that application yesterday. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.710 Just to give you an idea of how this development could look 00:09:44.710 --> 00:09:48.500 the general regulations between for CMG and NRMU district 00:09:48.500 --> 00:09:50.000 are very similar. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.440 Same lot coverage same amount of landscape area required 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.000 same building height. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:00.039 So the NRMU portion of the property would develop in scale 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:04.000 relatively the same under CMG as it would NRMU. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:09.019 We did send notifications about this and we received two 00:10:09.019 --> 00:10:11.000 favorable responses. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.590 Those were handed out before the meeting and those 00:10:13.590 --> 00:10:16.000 properties are outlined in green on this map. 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.590 And then we received one response in opposition that was 00:10:18.590 --> 00:10:21.419 within that 200 foot radius that's directly across the 00:10:21.419 --> 00:10:22.000 street. 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:25.559 You did receive a fourth response that I received today and 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:29.350 that's from a person outside the 200 foot radius but they 00:10:29.350 --> 00:10:32.000 still wanted their concerns to be expressed at the meeting. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:36.000 So all of those were handed out to you. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.649 And with all those considerations staff is now recommending 00:10:39.649 --> 00:10:41.000 approval of this case. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.409 The CMG district does conform with that future land use 00:10:43.409 --> 00:10:46.000 designation and that application that we received yesterday 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.659 would resolve our concerns regarding that isolated pocket 00:10:49.659 --> 00:10:51.000 of NRMU zoning. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.759 So we now feel comfortable with the recommendation of 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:55.000 approval on this case. 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.000 I'll stand for any questions. 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:58.000 Commissioner Taylor. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.000 Thank you Chair. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.590 I think I'm going to have some questions in the public 00:11:02.590 --> 00:11:03.000 hearing. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.000 I would like to just clarify a few things. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:13.529 The first road improvements would the development that goes 00:11:13.529 --> 00:11:19.000 in here be required to improve the perimeter roads? 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:23.000 I'll answer that one for you. 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:39.000 Do we have any attachments? 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.809 It looks like there's a whole little section about the 00:11:41.809 --> 00:11:44.000 roads. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:49.000 These are just in case slides. 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.250 377 and Country Club Road or FM 1830, they're both textile 00:11:53.250 --> 00:11:56.330 roadways so they will not be required to improve those 00:11:56.330 --> 00:11:57.000 roads. 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:02.019 Actually those two roads are actually in process of being 00:12:02.019 --> 00:12:03.000 improved. 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:08.149 377 all the way down to, I can't remember how far down it 00:12:08.149 --> 00:12:12.220 goes beyond this side, but Country Club will be improved up 00:12:12.220 --> 00:12:13.000 to Hobson. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:17.919 And as part of the improvements on Country Club, this is Ho 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:22.000 bson here, this is FM 1830. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:27.960 They're going to widen this area to provide a median in the 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:33.200 middle, dedicated left turn lane for southbound 1830 onto 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.000 Hobson. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.710 Left turn lanes along, I guess on 1830, left turn lanes on 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:44.620 both sides of 1830 at the intersection of Hobson, right 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:47.000 turn lane at Hobson. 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:52.330 They're also going to build a dedicated right turn on west 00:12:52.330 --> 00:12:56.000 bound Hobson onto 377 as well. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.000 And that would all be textile? 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.000 Yes, that's all being done by textile. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:05.000 And is that project, do we have a timeline on the project? 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.629 It should begin, the utilities are being relocated right 00:13:07.629 --> 00:13:10.600 now and the pavement should begin shortly after, so we're 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.000 thinking summer of this year. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.789 Okay, so yeah that was my street question. I'm sure we'll 00:13:16.789 --> 00:13:20.000 probably call you up out there to talk about this too. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.840 Now in terms of access to this property, they've submitted 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:28.059 this conceptual site plan. They presented it to TxDOT for 00:13:28.059 --> 00:13:32.080 conceptual approvals for their dry-vary access points on 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.000 one on 377, one on FM 1830. 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:40.480 The one on FM 1830 is a write-in only, and the one on 377 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.460 is a write-in write-out because of the future, or if not 00:13:43.460 --> 00:13:46.330 future, but proposed median that's going to be built upon 00:13:46.330 --> 00:13:47.000 the widening. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:54.000 And as well as a full access driveway off of Hobson. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.980 Depending on the trip generation, they may be required to 00:13:56.980 --> 00:13:59.870 construct a left turn lane just because of its vicinity to 00:13:59.870 --> 00:14:05.759 the intersection, just to make sure they're backing up into 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:12.000 that intersection for those left turn movements. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.950 I'm glad to see they did make the change out because I was 00:14:16.950 --> 00:14:20.100 having a hard time not accepting this or going against the 00:14:20.100 --> 00:14:22.769 recommendation because it seems like if you look at it and 00:14:22.769 --> 00:14:26.269 you look at the future land use, you've got CMG in there 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:31.000 all the way up, but you've got this block of NR6 in there 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.000 right now. 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:35.000 These are these kind of zoning difficulties we run into, 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:38.100 and it's probably not appropriate for me to mention it here 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:41.220 , but maybe the subcommittee I'm going to be on, this would 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:44.240 be something that we probably should look at rezoning this 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.129 stretch of Fort Worth Drive there that would accommodate, I 00:14:47.129 --> 00:14:48.000 would think, CMG. 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.840 I just don't see NR6 being viable in that probably from 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.000 about 300 or 400 feet out. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.000 So anyway, just my comment on that. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.000 Thanks. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.000 Commissioner Hutchbeth. 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.000 May I borrow you one more time, Earl? 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:09.000 I have a Hobson question. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:19.000 Has there been any assessment of Hobson, that's a city, 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.000 that city didn't road, right? 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:21.000 That's correct. 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.500 So have we looked at that in preparation in these other 00:15:25.500 --> 00:15:30.399 advancements go in the text outroads, that Hobson road is 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.399 fairly busy anyway, it's a way to shortcut that 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.000 intersection. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.620 It's a narrow road, and if this station, let's say, takes 00:15:39.620 --> 00:15:42.889 off and there's lots of traffic there, have we kind of 00:15:42.889 --> 00:15:46.149 looked in advance to how long it would take us to go from 00:15:46.149 --> 00:15:49.750 planning to actually getting in front of that any traffic 00:15:49.750 --> 00:15:54.000 that would back up on Hobson? 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.360 In terms of the actual project materializing to 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.000 construction type? 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.000 Yeah, just assuming that it works. 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.000 Assuming that the gas, if we build, they'll come. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.000 All the improvements are in, the gas engine goes in. 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.000 Yeah, and there's more traffic there. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:15.860 Have we looked at, if that happens, Hobson could be a 00:16:15.860 --> 00:16:18.000 nightmare. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.580 Potentially, the city tried to apply for a traffic signal 00:16:21.580 --> 00:16:25.139 at this intersection, but the tech site denied it because 00:16:25.139 --> 00:16:29.220 of its vicinity to the next intersection down, which is 377 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:32.850 and FM 1830, so they will not allow a signal at this 00:16:32.850 --> 00:16:34.000 intersection. 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:37.759 In terms of traffic, I think that the construction of a 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.559 right turn lane will alleviate a lot of that congestion 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.590 because a lot of these, I guess that one vehicle that wants 00:16:45.590 --> 00:16:50.029 a turn left is holding off the rest of the road, creating 00:16:50.029 --> 00:16:53.000 that backup, but now creating, constructing that dedicated 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.970 right turn lane should alleviate a lot of the current 00:16:56.970 --> 00:17:00.250 issues that they're having at this intersection, along with 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:03.000 constructing a left turn lane on Country Club Road to get 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:03.000 to the intersection. 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.000 Country Club Road to get on the Hobson as well. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.000 That usually backs up into 377 during the peak hours. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:16.099 So, and as well, they're, they're constructing two through 00:17:16.099 --> 00:17:19.000 lanes past this intersection. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:24.000 So, on Country Club at the intersection. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:30.099 Right now there's only one lane past this intersection to 00:17:30.099 --> 00:17:32.000 turn left or straight. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:38.440 Okay, then give me, if we lived in Utopia from planning to 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:42.000 actual road, how long would that take? 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.000 Planning to actual road. 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.000 Which road, I guess. 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:48.000 Hobson. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:49.000 Hobson. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.680 So, let's say the station's in, we realize, yes, we need to 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.059 widen the road, it'd be great, you can get to Eureka Park 00:17:57.059 --> 00:17:59.000 faster, all that fun stuff. 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.450 From identifying, yes, we're going to widen, and it's 00:18:02.450 --> 00:18:06.000 approved to widen Hobson, to actually it being done. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:09.000 What is that, traditionally, what is that time frame? 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.289 Widening of say Hobson Road from Country Club all the way 00:18:12.289 --> 00:18:14.000 to Teasley, for example. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.000 Sure. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.000 Making that a road project. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:17.000 Yes. 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.789 Well, there's all kinds of complications with that because 00:18:19.789 --> 00:18:21.000 it depends on funding. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:25.000 Usually roads are funded through bonds or road impact fees. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:29.890 We just started roadway impact fees, so the pot of money on 00:18:29.890 --> 00:18:34.000 the road impact fees for this zone is pretty low right now. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:39.000 So unless we incorporate into a bond, next one being 2020, 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:43.390 and say, for example, this road does get selected as part 00:18:43.390 --> 00:18:45.000 of the bond program. 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:50.410 You know, 2020, then we're looking at 2023 to actual start 00:18:50.410 --> 00:18:54.609 a construction, because you have to account for design time 00:18:54.609 --> 00:18:55.000 . 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.000 Got it. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.000 From the bond to actual construction. 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.869 And based on prioritization, or correct me if I'm wrong, 00:19:02.869 --> 00:19:04.890 but I understand then you would also, depending on the bond 00:19:04.890 --> 00:19:08.250 , you would also prioritize what falls into your program and 00:19:08.250 --> 00:19:11.000 what is critical path at that point. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.000 Right. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.859 It's something if we were to forecast, we would one, have 00:19:15.859 --> 00:19:19.140 to have the conditions present to be able to forecast what 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:21.859 needs to be done with that infrastructure improvement and 00:19:21.859 --> 00:19:24.700 then be able to put it on a critical path, depending on 00:19:24.700 --> 00:19:27.000 what the situation is on the right of way. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.000 Okay. 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:30.000 Okay. Thank you. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Thank you. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.000 Commissioner Bec. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:37.569 Looking at this diagram here, are we making, does that look 00:19:37.569 --> 00:19:40.839 like we're making a right turn lane on Hobson to swing on 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:42.000 to 1830? 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.000 That is part of the text outlining plans. 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:45.000 Okay. 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.000 How far back from 1830 does that go? 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:11.000 Yeah, it's going to go down. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Are we looking at maybe the length of a football field? 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.000 Or is it that long? 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:26.000 Over 96 to, say, 500. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.170 So about 400, oh, well that's the beginning of the, so 00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:31.000 about 350 feet. 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:33.000 Okay, it's about a football field. 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.160 That seems like it would alleviate your concern there 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.440 because that's where the backup would occur, I think, is 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.000 people couldn't make that right turn. 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.000 Yeah. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.000 So it's 350 feet at 20 feet per vehicle. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.000 That's quite a bit of storage. 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.000 Okay. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.000 Thanks. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.000 Commissioner Ellis. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.000 Earl. 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.000 Sorry. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.000 A couple of things. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.000 Okay. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:02.000 So what is Hobson on the future mobility? 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.000 What is Hobson considered? 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.000 What type of structure? 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:09.130 Hobson is classified as a four-lane divided roadway, two 00:21:09.130 --> 00:21:12.000 lanes each direction, with a median in the middle. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.000 Oh, that is the future plan of Hobson? 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Yes. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.000 I see. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.000 Can you go back to that site plan? 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:24.009 Yeah, I got confused on where you were talking about right 00:21:24.009 --> 00:21:25.000 turn in. 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:30.000 So, okay, so you have a right turn only off of Hobson? 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.000 A right turn in off of FM 1830. 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.000 That's a right turn only. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:36.000 Right turn in. 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Okay, okay. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.000 So they can't exit it back out. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.480 And then this one with a median, and there's not going to 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.529 be a median opening here because of this median opening 00:21:42.529 --> 00:21:43.000 already there. 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:46.000 This will only be a right in, right out. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.000 Okay. 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:49.900 Now this one will be a full access driveway where you can 00:21:49.900 --> 00:21:52.000 turn left, left out, or right out. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.259 I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one 00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:59.000 just because that intersection is a nightmare right now. 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:00.000 It is a nightmare. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.819 That's why there's so many lanes being built between these 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:04.000 two intersections. 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.440 I have to even question whether CMG is the direction we 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.000 want to go on this particular corner. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.960 I guess I would have to ask, originally staff was not on 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.589 board with this, and I kind of feel like you got strong- 00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:21.000 armed, so can you fill me in on that? 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.000 Haley, can I field that question for you if you don't mind? 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.000 Certainly. 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.349 When we received this zoning request, and Haley's going to 00:22:28.349 --> 00:22:31.150 pop up the zoning map for me so I can show the subject 00:22:31.150 --> 00:22:32.000 property, 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.319 the portion under consideration that was before you in your 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:38.000 packet was what's in the pink area right now. 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.529 Our recommendation was unfavorable, and our recommendation 00:22:41.529 --> 00:22:45.000 stated that we feel, from a land use perspective, 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.920 that this hard corner should be looked at comprehensively, 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:51.000 and therefore the entire track should be zoned CMG, 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.000 because now you have a sliver of NRMU between the NR6 and 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:57.000 the CMG. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:59.549 We voiced our concern to the applicant and let them know 00:22:59.549 --> 00:23:01.000 and inform them of our request, 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.759 and they realized that, well, they could actually have this 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:06.329 property under contract, and it made more sense to 00:23:06.329 --> 00:23:08.000 consolidate the zoning on the property. 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.369 That is the reason why our recommendation, and we're so 00:23:10.369 --> 00:23:12.000 comfortable recommending favorably, 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.960 because we have actually received a zoning change 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.000 application for that piece too. 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.759 Now, as it relates to the development and the 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.000 infrastructure, so there are two tasks at hand. 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:25.369 We do know that there is an intention to develop the 00:23:25.369 --> 00:23:28.539 facility with a fueling station, a C-Store, and a fueling 00:23:28.539 --> 00:23:31.000 station, if I'm not mistaken. 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.779 So we have that basic info or schematic which has enabled 00:23:34.779 --> 00:23:39.000 us to prompt the applicant to visit with TextDOT 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.549 and make sure just because of the ramifications associated 00:23:41.549 --> 00:23:44.420 with infrastructure improvement that TextDOT, this is the 00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:45.000 intention. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.509 So how does that impact the city and the city's right of 00:23:48.509 --> 00:23:49.000 way? 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:57.000 So in terms of the land use analysis and zoning to CMG, 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:02.000 the applicability or the appropriateness of the request 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.000 exists just because of the uses permitted in CMG, 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:08.440 and typically, given the right of way frontage, the types 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.000 of street that there is frontage on for this subject site, 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.759 it accommodates those uses well and can serve as a good 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:17.440 transition ultimately when you typically see CMG along 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:19.000 these types of corridors. 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:23.589 And that's why, and based on the land use plan, that's why 00:24:23.589 --> 00:24:28.220 there was no negative opinion of staff as it relates to the 00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:29.000 request. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.579 When it comes to the infrastructure ramifications and what 00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:34.000 occurs at that point, 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.910 obviously, if there are issues that cannot be resolved as 00:24:37.910 --> 00:24:41.769 it relates to ingress and egress of the site, as it relates 00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:44.000 to the peak hours of use of this site, 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.299 then that is something that developability could be ham 00:24:47.299 --> 00:24:51.000 pered if they were unable to mitigate those requirements. 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.150 And so you're saying the NRMU is going to be coming before 00:24:54.150 --> 00:24:56.000 us as well for zoning changes, is what you're saying? 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.000 Absolutely. An official application has been made for NRMU. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.000 And so it is up to the commission then to choose which. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.160 Well, right, but effectively, right now, you're 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.000 recommending this favorably. 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:14.039 And then, obviously, the NRMU would be favorable as well 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.349 because that was effectively the idea to get this one in a 00:25:18.349 --> 00:25:20.000 favorable light. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.000 Correct. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:27.000 And I guess my question is the CMG in this area at all? 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.000 I'm having a hard time with that. 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:29.000 I get you. 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.099 I get you with what is already in the area, the amount of 00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:34.000 residents who are in the area. 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.000 I mean, it's not Fort Worth Drive. 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.400 It's a transition into Fort Worth Drive 377 and that, but 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:46.279 that's not what it is, especially this NRMU shown here on 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.000 this map off of Hobson. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.329 It doesn't have the same feel, in my opinion, as you make 00:25:52.329 --> 00:25:55.000 that turn onto Fort Worth Drive. 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.000 Could you repeat your statement, Commissioner Ellis? 00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.000 I didn't understand. 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.839 The NRMU piece off of Hobson, which piece are you referring 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.000 to, the subject? 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.000 Not the subject. 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.000 Okay. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.000 The NRMU on here currently that I'm staring at. 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.910 And even the subject, being that it does come off of Hobson 00:26:12.910 --> 00:26:17.000 , it doesn't, I don't get the feel that it needs to be CMG. 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:18.000 I see. I understand. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.049 That this, that all of these parcels of land need to be 00:26:22.049 --> 00:26:24.000 that particular zone. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.000 I'm having a hard time keeping my head on that. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 I understand. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.349 Do you have a comparison of the uses and the future land 00:26:31.349 --> 00:26:35.150 use map and then the permitted uses in CMG and NRMU that we 00:26:35.150 --> 00:26:37.000 could do a quick comparison for? 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.000 That should be in the backup that everyone received. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:43.000 There's a comparison chart of uses. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.410 I didn't incorporate it into the presentation, but it 00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:47.000 should be in everyone's backup. 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.000 Yeah, it is. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.000 Okay, super. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.000 I just wanted to make sure you received that. 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.000 Thank you, Commissioner Ellis. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:53.000 I appreciate it. 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.000 Thank you. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.000 Appreciate it. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.000 Commissioner Talen. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.000 Okay. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:20.000 Any other questions on this item? 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.000 Thank you, Haley. 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:27.000 I've got an announcement right quick. 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:32.329 We've actually on our public hearing tonight, we have two 00:27:32.329 --> 00:27:33.000 items. 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.000 Our item D and our item E both have been withdrawn. 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.000 I think on our agenda E was only withdrawn. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.000 D has also been withdrawn. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.259 So I just want to announce that for those that are watching 00:27:44.259 --> 00:27:47.750 that were planning to come this evening, I will announce 00:27:47.750 --> 00:27:52.000 that again when we go into council chambers. 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.869 So that's going to move that we are only going to have one 00:27:55.869 --> 00:28:00.000 more item here to go over in our public. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.450 I mean, excuse me, in our work session, which is going to 00:28:02.450 --> 00:28:03.000 be item C. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.640 And I know this is going to be an item with I think a 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.000 number of questions and discussions. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:13.740 So I think it might be prudent for us to take a break at 5 00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:19.470 38 and get something to eat and then we'll start our 00:28:19.470 --> 00:28:22.000 presentation for C. 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:27.000 So I'm going to call recess at 538 for food. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.000 You guys are about to get started? 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.000 Yes, sir. 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:36.000 Five, four, three. 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.000 Welcome back. 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:42.329 We will reopen our work session at five fifty and we're on 00:28:42.329 --> 00:28:47.000 item C and I'll call on Julie Wyatt for presentation. 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.000 Good evening. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.190 Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the city of Denton and I 00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:56.000 am presenting the 1623 to you tonight. 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.000 The location of the subject property is south of scripture. 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.539 It's outlined here in yellow and it's between normal and 00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:05.000 Brian Street. 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.000 It's made up of three parcels. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.960 The largest parcel and you'll see this in a minute actually 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.000 has split zoning. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.000 The north side of the parcel has a DCG zoning district. 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:20.000 The south side of the parcel has a DR2 zoning district. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.190 And the subject's property is approximately 1200 square 00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:28.000 feet from, not square, 1200 linear feet from UNT. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000 That's about a five to ten minute walk. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.000 It's a little less than a quarter mile. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.000 So the request before you is to hold a public hearing and 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.420 consider rezoning approximately 1.39 acres from downtown 00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:46.000 residential two, DR2, to downtown commercial general. 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.000 That's DCG district. 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.319 This map's a little, it's got a lot on it, but I wanted you 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.920 to see how all of the zoning and the land uses work 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.000 together. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.940 So we're going to go over this map and the surrounding area 00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:03.000 together. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.230 So first of all, to orient you, the property here is in the 00:30:07.230 --> 00:30:08.000 black. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.000 So this is the subject property. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.630 It's kind of hard to see, but here's where you can, where 00:30:12.630 --> 00:30:15.000 the split zoning comes into play. 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.000 So this is the larger tract. 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:22.000 This little bit darker green is DCG and here's your DR2. 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:27.380 This tract right here, this property, is developed with an 00:30:27.380 --> 00:30:30.000 institutional facility. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:35.000 It hasn't been used in several years, so it's vacant. 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.819 The other development on the subject property is a couple 00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:41.000 of houses. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.390 The adjacent DCG is developed with that institutional 00:30:45.390 --> 00:30:49.000 facility as well as some commercial uses. 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.000 And then there's also a single family dwelling. 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.000 So it's a mixed, this is a mixed use area. 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.000 So you'll see that. 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:01.000 To the south of the subject property is DR2. 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.509 That area is developed with single family uses, with single 00:31:04.509 --> 00:31:08.000 family uses that are occupied as multi-family dwellings. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.160 And then multi-family dwellings, and then there's a couple 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:11.000 of commercial uses. 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.000 So that's a real mixed use area as well. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:19.329 To the north of the subject property, across scripture, you 00:31:19.329 --> 00:31:21.000 have NRMU 12. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:24.000 This is the Flow Hospital site. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.000 I'm sure several of you all remember the Flow Hospital. 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:34.000 So there's NRMU 12 as well as some NRMU and NRMU 12 here. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.000 This is developed with multi-family. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.000 You've got single family. 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.000 You've got office uses and you've got commercial uses. 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.000 So that's across the street, across scripture. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.309 To the south, you're probably familiar, this is the 00:31:46.309 --> 00:31:48.000 University of North Texas campus. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.000 This is the Fry Street area. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:55.150 Beyond the immediate vicinity of the subject property, we 00:31:55.150 --> 00:31:58.269 've got these traditional established single family 00:31:58.269 --> 00:31:59.000 neighborhoods. 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:03.000 And these are predominantly single family development. 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:07.000 They have a zoning designation of NR3 on them. 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.759 NR3, just to remind you, doesn't permit multi-family 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.000 development and it doesn't permit commercial development. 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.599 There are two other additional areas I just want to point 00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.000 out to you in the vicinity. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.000 We have two historic districts. 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.670 We have the West Oak Historic District here and then the 00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:26.000 Oak Hickory Historic District here. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.940 Then the properties with the solid pink have additional 00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.000 landmark designations. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:39.049 So we've got layers in this area and also a wide variety 00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:41.000 mix of uses. 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:45.109 I also want to point out, before I go to the next slide, so 00:32:45.109 --> 00:32:48.000 the applicant has approached the city about this rezoning. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.819 Their intent, their expressed intent is to develop the site 00:32:51.819 --> 00:32:54.000 with multi-family dwellings. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.980 I just want to point out the existing zoning does permit 00:32:56.980 --> 00:32:58.000 multi-family. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.000 DR2 does permit multi-family as well as the DCG. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.000 There is a difference in scale. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:07.480 DCG also permits some additional commercial uses that DR2 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.000 doesn't permit. 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.000 So just to let you know that. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.490 So now let's look at the future land use of the subject 00:33:14.490 --> 00:33:17.000 property in the surrounding area. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.000 This is in a neighborhood university compatibility area. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.599 The areas that are neighborhood university compatibility 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.440 areas are parts of the city that are affected by the 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.000 universities. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.000 And in this case, of course, it's UNT. 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.000 So it's affected by that proximity to UNT. 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.160 The intent is to create a compatible form and land uses 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.970 that can serve both the university as well as the 00:33:41.970 --> 00:33:44.000 established neighborhoods. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.940 What we look for is a gradual transition in scale, use and 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:49.000 character. 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.269 We also want to encourage uses that are in close proximity 00:33:51.269 --> 00:33:52.000 to each other. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.289 So we do encourage a multimodal way of moving about to 00:33:55.289 --> 00:34:00.160 encourage that walking and bicycle use, create dynamic 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.000 areas. 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.799 Just to show what's then surround there is future land use 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.380 because we kind of want to take a big picture look at the 00:34:08.380 --> 00:34:09.000 area. 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.000 To the north, those areas that were the NRMU and NRMU 12, 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:18.000 those are neighborhood mixed use per the future land use. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.250 And then beyond that, those areas that are the primarily 00:34:21.250 --> 00:34:24.000 single family traditional neighborhoods, 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.070 those have a future land use designation of low density 00:34:27.070 --> 00:34:30.530 residential, which is that one to four dwelling units per 00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:33.000 acre that I know you all have seen a lot. 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.579 So the considerations that we looked at when we did the 00:34:36.579 --> 00:34:40.000 land use analysis of this request is first we looked to see 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.289 the criteria for approval in sub-chapter three of the Dent 00:34:42.289 --> 00:34:43.000 on Development Code. 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.630 So the future land use designation, does the request meet 00:34:46.630 --> 00:34:49.000 that future land use designation? 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:54.000 Staff determined that it does and for several reasons. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.360 The comp plan talks about and I know UNT talks about 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.000 projected increases in enrollment in the university. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.659 And that those increases in enrollment are creating a need 00:35:05.659 --> 00:35:09.070 for additional housing, density, and also commercial 00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:10.000 development. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.239 So we want to look at all of the uses within DCG in close 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.000 proximity to UNT. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.000 So DCG meets that criteria. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.079 The uses in the density in DCG foster that walkability, the 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.000 livability, and the vibrancy of that public realm. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:32.000 The existing building has been in disuse for several years. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.039 Rezoning, potentially rezoning to DCG could possibly 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:41.739 provide a catalyst for revitalization on this subject 00:35:41.739 --> 00:35:43.000 property. 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.920 But we want to be care and we want to take care to be 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.000 sensitive in scale. 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:54.469 This area is surrounded by some of our single family urban 00:35:54.469 --> 00:35:56.000 neighborhoods. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.000 And we want to make sure that we're sensitive to those. 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:05.000 And so when we looked at that, let me see. 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.869 So in respect to the sensitivity to scale, I want to show 00:36:08.869 --> 00:36:10.000 you a map. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.000 So let's go to the next slide. 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.000 So we looked at the location of the subject property. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.000 So here is the proposal. 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 Adjacent to it, we have DCG. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.000 And then the surrounding NR3. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.840 So when we looked at the potential scale of DCG development 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:33.000 and how that affects those surrounding neighborhoods, 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:37.309 we looked at the zoning pattern and we saw it's surrounded 00:36:37.309 --> 00:36:38.000 by DR2, 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.449 which provides a transition and a gradual reduction in the 00:36:41.449 --> 00:36:43.000 scale of development. 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:49.280 We also looked at the NRMU and NRMU12 across scripture that 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.739 provided that buffer zone and that transitional area 00:36:52.739 --> 00:36:56.750 between the development patterns associated with DCG as 00:36:56.750 --> 00:37:00.000 well as the uses. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.849 And the other criteria for approval is the adequate 00:37:02.849 --> 00:37:04.000 infrastructure. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.050 And those are questions that we will then go through during 00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:12.159 the site plan process and we will make sure that there's 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:16.090 adequate right of way dedication and sidewalks and water 00:37:16.090 --> 00:37:17.000 and sewer. 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.269 And that all goes during the planning as well as the site 00:37:21.269 --> 00:37:22.000 plan. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.000 Some site photos. 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.289 I use Google Photos again because once again, they take 00:37:26.289 --> 00:37:28.000 better pictures than I do. 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.000 But here is the subject property. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.099 This is Normal Street looking north toward the subject 00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:39.000 property at one of the houses associated with the request. 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.000 It has been left off. 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:46.659 And then this is the view of the property from Bryan Street 00:37:46.659 --> 00:37:47.000 . 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.000 So this is looking north on Bryan Street. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.000 And then we'll look at my photos, but not good ones. 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:59.000 These are some of the properties that surround the area. 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.820 Another consideration that we looked at as we did our land 00:38:03.820 --> 00:38:09.719 use analysis is, and particularly after hearing from the 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.340 neighbors during the two neighborhood meetings, was they 00:38:12.340 --> 00:38:14.000 had concerns about scale. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:17.300 And so in these mixed use areas, you do want to be 00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:19.000 sensitive to scale. 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.190 And so we looked at the Denton Development Code and there 00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:27.760 are design requirements within the Denton Development Code 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.199 that do allow or do put additional requirements on 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.309 properties so that they maintain an appropriate scale with 00:38:35.309 --> 00:38:38.000 adjacent single family residential. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.000 So one of those is a minimum yard. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.690 Within subchapter five of the Denton Development Code, if a 00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:48.010 use is abutting a single family use, they have to have a 00:38:48.010 --> 00:38:51.719 minimum yard of 20 feet, plus one foot for each foot of 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.000 building height over 30 feet. 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.679 So what that does is as the building height goes up, the 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.440 building has to move farther away from the single family 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:02.000 use. 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.000 Does that make sense? 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.440 In the diagrams that look like the building was starting to 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:14.000 take a slow... 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.000 We'll talk about that one in a minute. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.070 So these are different elements within the Denton 00:39:18.070 --> 00:39:19.000 Development Code. 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.610 This is one where the minimum yard, so this does move the 00:39:22.610 --> 00:39:24.000 actual building. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.260 If the building gets taller, we'll talk about that one in 00:39:26.260 --> 00:39:27.000 just a minute. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.000 Also, there are landscape buffers. 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.090 I know y'all are familiar with those within the Denton 00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:32.000 Development Code. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.159 If you have adjacent uses, we do require landscape buffer, 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.489 for example, multifamily adjacent to single family requires 00:39:40.489 --> 00:39:43.000 a 10 foot landscape buffer. 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.909 And this is a diagram from the Denton Development Code that 00:39:45.909 --> 00:39:49.000 shows what kind of plantings need to be within that buffer. 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.559 And then the final thing is the residential proximity slope 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.000 , which is what you are referring to. 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.000 And I'm going to... 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.000 Commissioner Tyler. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.000 Sure. 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.000 I just had a question regarding all of this. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.989 So we're talking about these buffers and potential 00:40:05.989 --> 00:40:11.059 proximity slope, proximity side yard requirements to single 00:40:11.059 --> 00:40:12.000 family. 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.000 Yes. 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:17.000 So if you zoom in, I don't see any single... 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.000 Where's the single family? 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:20.000 Well... 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.000 So would there be a buffer required anywhere? 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.019 Because it looks like an apartment building, apartment 00:40:27.019 --> 00:40:28.000 building. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.630 So is that... well, those two houses... so is that single 00:40:30.630 --> 00:40:31.000 family or is that... 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.619 This is a single family property that we're not sure if it 00:40:34.619 --> 00:40:38.000 is used as multifamily or used as single family. 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.099 So during the site plan process, during building permit, as 00:40:42.099 --> 00:40:45.519 we go through that, if there are any adjacent... and really 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.000 that would be the property. 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.099 So if the zoning was approved, if they did move forward, we 00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:52.000 would have to make sure that if they are... 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:56.599 If any single family uses that being probably... 00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:01.000 particularly on the minimum yard would be the one. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.000 Now, residential proximity slope is a little different. 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.000 So did you want to add something to that, Manal? 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.250 Julie, would you iterate again when we're talking about 00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:15.000 these parameters as it relates to scale and developability. 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.000 These are criteria that are established in the DCG. 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.440 Are they commensurate with those in the DR2 district as 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:22.000 well? 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:26.000 This would be required in any... for any development. 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:30.159 And the intent is to make sure that when you have a mix of 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.000 uses that the adjacent scale is appropriate. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.000 So thank you, yeah. 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.000 Okay. 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.199 So and then you would have, of course, across the street 00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.000 there's single family, maybe on both sides? 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:46.489 There's some single family across scripture as well as 00:41:46.489 --> 00:41:48.000 across normal. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.000 And this... maybe this will answer some of your questions. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.309 So the residential proximity slope, the intent of that is 00:41:54.309 --> 00:41:57.460 to make sure it minimizes visual impacts of taller 00:41:57.460 --> 00:42:00.980 buildings when they're in close proximity to single family 00:42:00.980 --> 00:42:02.000 residential. 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.349 And so it applies not only if the two uses share a property 00:42:06.349 --> 00:42:09.760 line, but if they're also across the street from each other 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:10.000 . 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.429 So in the... and this may be more applicable in this case 00:42:13.429 --> 00:42:16.280 because we do have some single family uses across the 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:17.000 street. 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.630 So here's how the residential proximity slope is determined 00:42:22.630 --> 00:42:23.000 . 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:28.329 When you have a multifamily development, you would... you 00:42:28.329 --> 00:42:32.630 would end up building... if the building height exceeds 40 00:42:32.630 --> 00:42:33.000 feet, 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.489 then you would at the setback line measure up 40 feet in 00:42:37.489 --> 00:42:43.000 the air and then the building would have to be stepped back 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:48.329 from that at an angle of 35 degrees in order to reduce the 00:42:48.329 --> 00:42:51.210 impact of the height of the building on the adjacent 00:42:51.210 --> 00:42:56.000 sidewalk and on the adjacent properties. 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:57.000 So just... 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:58.000 Continue. 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:04.179 To continue the example, the 20 feet plus one foot per 00:43:04.179 --> 00:43:09.000 height would make a 60 foot mixed use setback. 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.000 Or can we go back to that formula? 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.000 Yeah. 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.000 Is that... 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.000 So if it was adjacent to a single family use... 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000 Over 30 feet. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.000 Over 30 feet. 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.300 A 60 foot building would then require a 50 foot setback 00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:24.000 from that single family use. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.400 Is it measured from that 40 foot edge or is it measured 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.000 from the top of the building somewhere further over here? 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.000 There are two different elements. 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.269 We have... the first... the minimum yard is how far away 00:43:34.269 --> 00:43:38.369 the building is and then the residential proximity slope is 00:43:38.369 --> 00:43:42.000 the stepped back from 40 feet in the air. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:42.000 Right. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.000 But they're co-mingled in that diagram you have. 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.000 So I'm just trying to get... 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.230 Minimum yard, is it based on the 40 foot edge or is it 00:43:50.230 --> 00:43:55.000 based on the maximum height somewhere else in the building? 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.000 I'm not sure I understand the question. 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.440 So let's say it's a hypothetical 100 foot building is being 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:01.000 built. 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:02.000 Right. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.000 It has this 40 foot maximum at the setback. 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.000 Correct. 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:11.159 And then somewhere over... away from the setback, it's 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:12.000 taller. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:13.000 Yes. 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:18.000 Does it have to have a 90 foot side yard? 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.000 Because that's 100 minus 30 plus 20. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.000 Or does it have to have a 30 foot side yard? 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.000 Let me see if I can answer it. 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.000 If I don't answer it, maybe... we'll figure this out. 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.000 So if... let me go back to... 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.000 This was one of my just in case slides. 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.000 I needed my just in case. 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.000 All right. 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.510 So for instance, if here's a single family use, if the 00:44:43.510 --> 00:44:49.239 building was 100 feet adjacent to this single family use, 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.000 it would have to have a 90 foot setback. 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.000 And the physical building. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.599 And then at that 90 foot edge, it would only be 40 feet 00:44:58.599 --> 00:44:59.000 tall. 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.000 No. 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.000 Well, yes, at 40 feet tall. 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.099 And it would have to be setback for the residential 00:45:03.099 --> 00:45:04.000 proximity slope. 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.190 So if any part of the building is 100 feet, it would have 00:45:07.190 --> 00:45:09.000 to have a 90 foot side yard? 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.650 And this is... there's a huge difference in a 30 foot side 00:45:12.650 --> 00:45:13.000 yard. 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.539 Only if it was... only if it shared a property line with a 00:45:16.539 --> 00:45:18.000 single family use. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.429 If it was across the street, that minimum side yard... that 00:45:21.429 --> 00:45:24.000 minimum yard would not apply. 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.000 Okay. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000 Did I answer your question? 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.280 So if any part of the building is 100 feet, that's what... 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.849 or whatever height, the maximum height of the building 00:45:33.849 --> 00:45:35.000 determines... 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.000 Depending on the adjacent use. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.000 Yes. 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.000 It all hinges on the adjacent use. 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.989 So that's... again, so maximum height of the building 00:45:44.989 --> 00:45:49.369 adjacent to single family use is used determining the side 00:45:49.369 --> 00:45:55.000 yard requirement, not the height at the side yard. 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.000 Julie, pull up that diagram again. 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.760 I think we're talking somewhat the same thing, but we're 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.440 not hitting... I guess we're not understanding your 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:05.000 question. 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.760 And this is a diagram just to show the residential 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.000 proximity slope. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.000 So it doesn't conflate those two requirements. 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.869 Well, it does... it makes you setback, which is the 20 feet 00:46:15.869 --> 00:46:18.000 plus 1 foot over 30. 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.000 Yes. Yes. 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.460 So... and that's my key... my question is, if it goes by 00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:28.750 just kind of the nearest edge, 40 feet, that creates a 30 00:46:28.750 --> 00:46:30.000 foot setback. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.510 If it goes by the tallest point on the building somewhere 00:46:33.510 --> 00:46:35.000 else, it could create a... 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.000 Then that setback could be much more significant. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.000 And so which way is the math calculated? 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.570 I guess it would depend going back to what is the adjacency 00:46:46.570 --> 00:46:50.420 , so it would then render developability, right? Is what you 00:46:50.420 --> 00:46:51.000 're... 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.869 But you can't have a 100 foot wall... if you made it 100 00:46:54.869 --> 00:46:57.000 feet tall here, that would be illegal. 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.590 It would make you have a 90 foot setback, and then you 00:46:59.590 --> 00:47:02.000 still would have to have a 40 foot minimum height or 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.000 maximum height. 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.300 You're right. You could not have a minimum... you are... oh 00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:09.000 , I got it. Yes. 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.000 So highest point. 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.000 Highest point adjacency. Yes. 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:14.000 Okay. 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.000 Alright. 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.869 So the highest point on the building determines the mixed 00:47:20.869 --> 00:47:24.000 use setback from a single family use. 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.000 Yes. Yes. 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.000 Okay. Thank you. 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.000 Alright. 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.860 I'm still flummoxed a little bit about how we're talking 00:47:38.860 --> 00:47:40.000 about scale here. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.000 Okay. 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.280 We're going to be talking about a five story building that 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.369 's going to be in close proximity to houses and two story 00:47:49.369 --> 00:47:53.000 apartment complexes. 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.000 It's going to stick out like a sore thumb to me. 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.889 I just... the scale is going to be... I don't see how you 00:47:58.889 --> 00:48:03.000 can get a scale that blends in with the neighborhood. 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:09.170 So how do we even come to some understanding of scale when 00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:11.159 we're talking about a building that's going to be at least 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.000 five stories high? 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.170 Well, and that's really where the residential proximity 00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:18.590 slope comes in because it is intended for these mixed use 00:48:18.590 --> 00:48:21.500 areas where you do potentially have buildings that are 00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:24.000 taller than the adjacent properties. 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:28.389 So the intent is to kind of visually mute those upper 00:48:28.389 --> 00:48:33.840 floors because you figure at 40 feet you're probably at the 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.000 third floor. 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:40.769 And so it's going to then be stepped back so that it's not 00:48:40.769 --> 00:48:44.000 as looming on the sidewalk. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:49.000 Okay. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.000 Commissioner Hussbett. 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.000 Can we look at the future land use map again? 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.000 Sure. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.000 Please, thank you. 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.000 Okay. 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:04.619 So darker blue and then it kind of transitions lighter blue 00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:05.000 . 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.179 So help me understand this type of development at the end 00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:10.000 of the transition, right? 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.000 Because here's what it feels like to me. 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.860 We couldn't buy any property closer to UNT and so we found 00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:18.000 this and we're going to stick it here. 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:22.539 That's how it -- but if I'm looking at how things flow, it 00:49:22.539 --> 00:49:27.000 should be tailing off there, not hitting stride. 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.000 Am I reading that wrong? 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.000 Well, but we already have. 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.000 In fact, the end of it is already DCG. 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.300 So really this is just a continuation of an existing zoning 00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:38.000 pattern that's there now. 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:44.559 So -- and it's based upon the historical zoning and how 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.000 this area has developed. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.179 So I hear you and we've looked at all of these factors, but 00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:55.000 due to the existing zoning pattern that's there now, 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.000 this really is just a continuation of what's there. 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:00.000 Continue. 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.000 Okay. 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.000 So let's take that approach. 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:08.019 Well, I still would like -- I'll answer my question with a 00:50:08.019 --> 00:50:09.000 statement. 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.650 I don't think we should be hitting stride at the end of the 00:50:13.650 --> 00:50:15.000 transition. 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:22.000 But even that -- when I look at the comparison between -- 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.139 the only bad things are not allowed, in my opinion, for 00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:26.000 that area, right? 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:27.000 That's my humble opinion. 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.780 When I look at the comparison, we're talking hotels, bed 00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:34.000 and breakfast, retail sales, movie theaters with SUP, 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.000 restaurants, private clubs, bars. 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:44.639 And so I don't -- as is, seems that it would accommodate 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.000 whatever needs to be done. 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.000 And transitioning opens a lot of doors. 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:55.590 And so my question is, this is -- what is the height 00:50:55.590 --> 00:50:57.000 difference? Because that's the only thing not listed kind 00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:57.000 of in this chart. 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.369 So what are we talking the difference in height from DR2 to 00:51:01.369 --> 00:51:02.000 DCG? 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.269 Because I think it's important to also understand this area 00:51:05.269 --> 00:51:06.000 , right? 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.000 Because the other apartment complex is on a hill. 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.840 And so it kind of naturally kind of -- it's the first thing 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.000 you see and it's on a hill. 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.849 So as you're driving up a hill, it's kind of going uphill 00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:20.000 and it has just a different feel to it. 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.849 It may be the same height, it may all be the same, but it 00:51:22.849 --> 00:51:25.000 feels different, looks different. 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.000 By the time it levels out, that development levels out. 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.679 So comparing apples to apples, what are we talking about 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.030 height difference if we leave it -- if it's left as is 00:51:37.030 --> 00:51:39.000 versus where they want to go? 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:44.639 DR2 permits 45 feet in height, a three or four story 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.000 building. 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.989 DCG permits 100 feet, probably about an eight story 00:51:49.989 --> 00:51:51.000 building. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.000 Give that to me again, I'm sorry. 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:59.000 DR2 permits 45 feet, so three or four story building. 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:05.000 DCG permits 100 feet, about an eight story building. 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:11.000 And that's -- my math, that's double, right? Over double? 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:12.000 Yes, sir. 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.000 Outstanding. Thank you. 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.000 Ms. Menard would like to make some clarification. 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.909 Just to -- a point of clarification, Julie, if you would go 00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:22.099 to the zoning map or a map that reflects the subject 00:52:22.099 --> 00:52:23.000 property, 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.300 keep in mind that, you know, the commission has raised 00:52:26.300 --> 00:52:30.000 questions regarding development and what has been 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.000 intermitted to staff as to what is being developed. 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.940 A portion of that property is already zoned DCG, which can 00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.000 go up to that height of 100 feet. 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.000 There is a split zoning on the property. 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.309 The overall developable property. So I wanted to highlight 00:52:45.309 --> 00:52:46.000 that so that it was clear to the audience and, of course, 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.480 definitely I'm sure the PNZ is aware of this, that you've 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.320 got property that is partially developable with DCG and a 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.000 part that is under DR2. 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.000 Commissioner Hutchins. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:00.800 Sorry, Margie. So just to be clear, they could -- then they 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.340 could develop that currently and they could put their 00:53:04.340 --> 00:53:06.000 building there if they want, right? 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.000 Correct. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.579 And we're not complicit in that. I mean, that's their 00:53:10.579 --> 00:53:11.000 decision. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.000 They can do it. They can squeeze it in. 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.000 And we don't have to vote on anything. 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.329 In terms of the land uses, the discussion that's before you 00:53:18.329 --> 00:53:21.099 tonight, the applicant is requesting a change in zoning 00:53:21.099 --> 00:53:22.000 primarily, 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.409 if I'm not mistaken, and the applicant will be present to 00:53:24.409 --> 00:53:27.329 discuss it, is to consolidate the zoning on the property to 00:53:27.329 --> 00:53:32.000 have one like zoning so that they can follow the one single 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.000 zoning design criteria. 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.630 That is the intent of the request before you. In terms of 00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:41.099 the uses and the uses that have been discussed tonight, 00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:43.000 they're permitted by right. 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.000 For that segment? 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.000 For both the DR2 and the DCG zoning. 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.000 Sure. Excellent. Thank you. 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.000 Commissioner Ellis. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.940 Could go back to Commissioner Hutspeth. He talked about 00:53:55.940 --> 00:53:57.000 transition. 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.590 And we've talked about this before when we've had some 00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:02.329 other projects come before us with that university 00:54:02.329 --> 00:54:03.000 transition. 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:07.260 Can you give me the city's definition of what that looks 00:54:07.260 --> 00:54:08.000 like? 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.619 I don't know if there is a specific definition because when 00:54:11.619 --> 00:54:15.500 you're talking about transitioning, and we all may want to 00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:21.079 jump in if we're talking about transitioning in our core, 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.000 you know, in downtown, it's going to look a lot different 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:27.000 than transition, say, on the loop, our more suburban areas. 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:34.000 So in this respect, yes, the DCG permits 100 foot building. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.510 And then the adjacent NRMU permits 65, so that's stepping 00:54:37.510 --> 00:54:38.000 down. 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.000 And then the NR3 permits, you know, 40 foot building. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.000 So it allows that building to step down. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.000 Additionally, the uses. You can also transition the uses. 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:57.000 So the uses within DR2 and DCG have commercial uses. They 00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:57.000 have multifamily. 00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.360 They have, you know, the densities. DCG permits 150 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.199 dwelling units per acre and DR2 permits 30 dwelling units 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:05.000 per acre. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:09.550 NRMU and NRMU 12 also have, permit multifamily with some 00:55:09.550 --> 00:55:13.000 limitations in SUP and also permits some commercial uses. 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.559 So that also transitions those uses from more of a mixed 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.269 use area down into that single family neighborhood that's 00:55:20.269 --> 00:55:21.000 surrounding it. 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.440 So when we talk about that transition, that's what we mean 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:29.000 here. In other parts of the city, it might look different. 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.000 Okay, so we're talking about transition from the zoning. 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.099 And I guess I was talking about transition with the 00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:36.000 university. 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:42.530 Oh, okay. I can. All right. In terms of the future land use 00:55:42.530 --> 00:55:51.599 designation, we don't have a specific definition for the 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:55.000 neighborhood university compatibility area. 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:59.010 What we have in the Denton Plan 2030 is you have kind of 00:55:59.010 --> 00:56:02.179 the intent of what that is and then what the design 00:56:02.179 --> 00:56:04.000 guidelines look like. 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:08.239 So when we look at a request, we look at the intent and 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.000 these are bullet points that bring out what that intent is. 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.309 And then we look at the zoning district and see if that 00:56:15.309 --> 00:56:19.000 matches it. So we don't really have a specific definition. 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.559 And Manal, it sounds like she wants to add something to 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:22.000 that. 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:23.420 So we look at the dark blue and we look at the light blue 00:56:23.420 --> 00:56:27.000 on the screen. And I think that's where the query arises is 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:30.170 , well, if this truly is supposed to be, yes, it is a 00:56:30.170 --> 00:56:32.539 neighborhood university compatibility area based on the 00:56:32.539 --> 00:56:33.000 confline. 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:37.289 But it also reflects a transitional type fading in of uses 00:56:37.289 --> 00:56:42.000 or blending in of uses, perhaps lower scale, perhaps not. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.000 But that is the ultimate goal or the guiding tool. 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.789 However, when you've got smaller parcels of land that are 00:56:49.789 --> 00:56:54.059 littered or that are dotted with specific zoning categories 00:56:54.059 --> 00:56:57.000 where there is an opportunity to consolidate, 00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.019 when you know the uses are pretty much like within that 00:57:00.019 --> 00:57:03.510 compatibility area, then the discussion pretty much hinges 00:57:03.510 --> 00:57:06.639 more on what is going to, what is the most beneficial in 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.000 terms of compatibility of zoning district at this point. 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.000 Continue. 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:12.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.119 Right. And I guess that's what's so difficult about this 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.489 right now is because you think of transition out and you 00:57:17.489 --> 00:57:20.000 think of getting smaller, right? 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.449 And so I guess we already have ourselves a problem just 00:57:23.449 --> 00:57:27.159 because of current zoning that sits on part of this land on 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.650 scripture, because we could transition down and then it can 00:57:30.650 --> 00:57:33.500 bump up because it's allowed right now with the way it's z 00:57:33.500 --> 00:57:34.000 oned. 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:39.730 So I think the hard part is if we now start creeping this 00:57:39.730 --> 00:57:46.079 way and allow this up zone in these two parcels, you know, 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.000 are we now moving that transitional line? 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.269 And, you know, does it become a domino effect and now 00:57:52.269 --> 00:57:55.940 suddenly the transitional line for the university is now at 00:57:55.940 --> 00:57:57.000 scripture? 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:01.000 And then we're transitioning from there. 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:12.000 So that's where my head is at the moment. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.000 Commissioner Taylor. 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:19.000 Two kind of small technical questions. 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.440 Do we know the square footage of the current DCG part and 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.000 then the part requested to be rezoned? 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.000 I don't have that information. 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.139 DC, the current is about 1.7 and the current and the 00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:33.000 proposed is about 1.3 ish. 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.000 So it's anywhere in there. 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.000 Thank you. 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.000 Commissioner Ellis. 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:43.530 Clarification, how did we end up with a zoning split in the 00:58:43.530 --> 00:58:45.000 middle of a lot? 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:46.000 I can answer that. 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.000 You can. 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.000 Okay. 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:49.000 Thank you. 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:50.000 Well, okay. 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.000 I know a partial. 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.639 This building that's there, that institutional use was 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.349 built in the early '80s and it was built over a property 00:58:58.349 --> 00:58:59.000 line. 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:06.170 And so at some point they consolidated and it matched the 00:59:06.170 --> 00:59:09.000 zoning at the time. 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.000 At some point they consolidated that property into one lot. 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.559 So the building was built over a property line over the 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:17.039 different zoning districts and then at some point they 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.000 consolidated the lot. 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.000 And now they're proposing to consolidate the zoning. 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:28.000 So yeah. 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.000 I have one more clarification question. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.510 On the map, the way it's cut out, there looks like there is 00:59:33.510 --> 00:59:37.000 a parcel that sits on the corner of Bryan and scripture. 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:41.000 Is that someone else's property? 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.000 Is that going to be part of this? 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.000 It would be a part of it if -- 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.000 And it's already zoned? 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:47.000 Yes, ma'am. 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:48.000 Yes, ma'am. 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.000 Okay. 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:50.000 Very good. 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:51.000 Thank you. 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.000 Thanks, Chair. 00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:58.000 I don't know what Commissioner Ells is talking about. 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:03.420 I'm just trying to figure out how did we get DCG down at 01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:06.000 that end of this area? 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:10.000 Because I don't mind the usages. 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.000 I don't have any problem with the usages. 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.000 I think that bodes well for us. 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.349 But how did we get down to somewhere where you could build 01:00:17.349 --> 01:00:20.239 a 100-foot high building when you don't have that anywhere 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:21.000 near that area? 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.000 Or back the other way? 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.590 So how did we -- and I know this -- it's a done deal in its 01:00:25.590 --> 01:00:27.000 history and everything. 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.000 But back in 2002, they did this. 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.000 What was going on in their minds? 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.000 Here's what they did. 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.510 The current zoning, during the citywide rezoning in 2002, 01:00:36.510 --> 01:00:39.000 they rezoned it based upon what was on the site. 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.000 And in this case -- and then with the historical zoning. 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.000 And this historical zoning here was all office. 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:50.719 This was the flow hospital, and apparently it was a major 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.440 -- it was the county -- it was a major hospital within the 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:53.000 city of Denton. 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:56.289 So this really was a note of activity, medical activity 01:00:56.289 --> 01:00:58.000 within the city of Denton. 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.829 And a lot of these properties were pharmacies or doctor's 01:01:01.829 --> 01:01:06.000 offices, things that were associated with the hospital. 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.760 So I think, you know, as the area has evolved, as the 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.050 university has grown, as students have -- you know, as that 01:01:13.050 --> 01:01:14.000 population has grown, 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:19.329 it's gone from that note of medical activity onto more of a 01:01:19.329 --> 01:01:22.000 center of a residential area. 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.000 Okay. 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.840 So some of it, the reasoning was based on how it would feed 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:29.000 off of what was the hospital. 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:30.000 Yes. 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.000 I mean, that was -- that started before we had zoning. 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:37.000 So there was farms and fields all around it. 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:41.300 But still, there was the residential aspect of this whole 01:01:41.300 --> 01:01:42.000 area. 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:49.000 Once we lost flow, we kept the DCG there anyway. 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.780 Was there no -- again, it just seems odd to have not 01:01:52.780 --> 01:01:56.440 reflected the change once flow was gone, and we're left 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:57.000 with that now. 01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:58.000 And I don't know the answer to that. 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.590 And that's being used in part to justify adding on to it 01:02:00.590 --> 01:02:01.000 now. 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:02.000 Right. 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.010 I don't know the answer to why they chose what they chose 01:02:05.010 --> 01:02:06.000 at that point. 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.000 Okay. 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.000 Just thinking out loud there. 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:09.000 Thanks. 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.000 You all want me to finish? 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.480 I'm going to make a comment, and I know we're getting close 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:13.000 on time. 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:17.849 Just kind of observation, I know we've had a project before 01:02:17.849 --> 01:02:21.000 us a few months ago at Fry Street. 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.500 And there's a lot of conversation here on our commission 01:02:24.500 --> 01:02:26.000 about transitions. 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:29.199 And I guess just kind of my throwout on the table of the 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:33.329 commission is that as these projects continue to come 01:02:33.329 --> 01:02:34.000 forward, 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:38.400 we had a project that was proposed smaller in scale, closer 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:43.840 to the university, and it was -- you know, there was not 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:45.000 support for it. 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.550 And now we have a project that's currently zoned that's 01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:51.000 farther away. 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.809 And I don't know as a city how we get to a place of where 01:02:53.809 --> 01:02:56.000 is the appropriate place to build them, 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:58.599 because when somebody comes before us and wants to do it 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.000 closer to the university, it's a no. 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:04.000 And they go to somewhere that is zoned for the most part, 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.099 the biggest part of it, that can be considerably taller 01:03:07.099 --> 01:03:09.000 than what was before us. 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.000 And it's a no-go there. 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:14.840 And I struggle a little bit as a commissioner going, well, 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:19.599 how do we find some consensus here for people to be able to 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.000 provide some student housing? 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:23.000 Where is it? 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.519 If it's closer over to Oak Street, the historic district is 01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.000 even more upset about it. 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.909 If it's farther away from Oak Street and where there's 01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:34.000 commercial properties, it's no good there either. 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:38.289 And so I just want to point that out that at some place we 01:03:38.289 --> 01:03:42.059 've got to find some consistency, I think, as a commission 01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:45.000 of what we are going to do or where we are going to go. 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:48.559 So people that listen to our meetings that go back and look 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.949 at properties and bring projects go, well, we don't want it 01:03:51.949 --> 01:03:53.000 closer to Oak Street. 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.760 We'll go somewhere -- I don't want it -- it's too far away 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:57.000 and not a transition. 01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.019 It's a little bit of a contradiction for folks that are 01:04:00.019 --> 01:04:03.130 trying to do business as a commission to give that mixed 01:04:03.130 --> 01:04:04.000 message. 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.000 And so, you know, it's currently zoned. 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.000 And I want to pose a question. 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.559 Do we know what height that they're proposing to build on 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:11.000 there? 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.300 Do we have a guide into that particular -- I'm sure as far 01:04:14.300 --> 01:04:17.000 as they are, they've already got plans. 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:20.429 And I know we can't consider that as part of our motion 01:04:20.429 --> 01:04:24.239 unless we know that they already have some other plan that 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.000 we can put a cap or something like that. 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.000 An overlay. It can't be a maximum height. 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:31.150 Do we know how tall the building is that they're currently 01:04:31.150 --> 01:04:32.000 proposing? 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.590 >> Chairperson Strange, I'm sure the applicant will have 01:04:34.590 --> 01:04:36.000 information related to that. 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.960 We understood that what the use is with the intended use or 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.000 the primary use of the property that it was permitted. 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.000 So we didn't tackle the height of the building. 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.539 As you are aware, there is significant commentary from our 01:04:49.539 --> 01:04:53.000 community as to what they think of the use. 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:57.550 Again, we had to be very considerate of what the request 01:04:57.550 --> 01:04:59.000 was before us. 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.559 So I'm sure the applicant will have more information as it 01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.000 relates to specificity associated with their project. 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:07.900 And with that, if the commission is looking at adding or 01:05:07.900 --> 01:05:11.000 incorporating some type of, as you mentioned, 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:14.000 a cap or an overlay for the lack of a better word, 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.000 restriction, 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.590 then that is the opportunity that the commission can 01:05:18.590 --> 01:05:21.000 discuss as well at regular meeting probably. 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.000 >> Okay. Quick question before we close. 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:28.510 >> Quick question. Quick response pretty much to what you 01:05:28.510 --> 01:05:29.000 said. 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:32.300 I understand that that makes it difficult when we have this 01:05:32.300 --> 01:05:34.000 kind of assessment for us. 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:38.389 But part of what needs to be incorporated in here and Manal 01:05:38.389 --> 01:05:43.000 tapped on it is the area specific has to be factored into. 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.440 The north side of the UNT campus is distinct in ways that 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.000 other areas around the campus are not. 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.000 I love this design. I love these kind of buildings. 01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.000 I think we need this kind of density. 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.000 I just think there's a lot of other places it could go. 01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.000 So that's kind of the conflict I'm having with it there. 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.000 Yeah, technically it's on that way. 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.000 But look at the area where you're going to do that. 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.590 It's going to have, in my opinion, more of a negative 01:06:07.590 --> 01:06:10.489 impact there than it would say over on Eagle or west of 01:06:10.489 --> 01:06:12.000 there and stuff like that. 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.000 So that's why I'm raising some questions. 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.760 >> Those are some of the elements that perhaps the 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.000 commission can look at. 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:21.809 But from a planning division standpoint, we purely looked 01:06:21.809 --> 01:06:25.980 at the request itself, which was a request for a change in 01:06:25.980 --> 01:06:27.000 zoning. 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:32.000 >> With that, I'm going to close our work session at 628 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:34.329 and we'll reconvene as quickly as we can in council 01:06:34.329 --> 01:06:35.000 chambers. 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.000 >> Okay, everybody quiet. We're about to start. 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.000 Okay, starting in five, four, three. 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:52.949 >> Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning 01:06:52.949 --> 01:06:58.000 and Zoning Commission meeting for February 22, 2017. 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:02.260 This meeting has been dually posted and we have a quorum 01:07:02.260 --> 01:07:03.000 present. 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.000 And I'm going to call our meeting to order at 645. 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.769 Our first order of business will be to stand and give the 01:07:08.769 --> 01:07:11.000 pledge to the U.S. and Texas flags. 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.820 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 01:07:16.820 --> 01:07:22.000 America and to the republic for which it stands, 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:27.079 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:28.000 for all. 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.519 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the United States 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:37.099 of America, one nation under God, with liberty and justice 01:07:37.099 --> 01:07:38.000 for all. 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:44.000 >> I want to apologize to everyone that we've gotten a 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:49.329 little bit later start this evening than we were scheduled 01:07:49.329 --> 01:07:50.000 for. 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:54.000 We have a number of changes to our agenda this evening. 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:59.329 First, I want to announce that our items D and E have both 01:07:59.329 --> 01:08:04.000 been postponed and continued to March 8th. 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.000 >> Do you have a comment? 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:09.000 >> Of the public hearing, item four, D and E. 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.869 So if you're here for those items, we want to let you know 01:08:11.869 --> 01:08:15.000 that rather than sitting through the rest of our agenda. 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:21.189 And with that announcement, we will move on to item 2A and 01:08:21.189 --> 01:08:24.220 chair will entertain a motion on our minutes of February 01:08:24.220 --> 01:08:25.000 the 8th. 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.000 Commissioner Taylor. 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.000 >> I move approval of our minutes. 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.000 >> Commissioner Beck. 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.000 >> Second. 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:35.000 >> Okay. 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.000 We have first and a second for approval. 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:42.000 Any discussion? 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.000 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:56.000 That motion carries 5-0. 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.000 That will move us to our consent agenda. 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:07.000 Chair would entertain a motion on our, Commissioner Beck. 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.000 >> I move we approve consent agenda. 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:11.000 >> Okay. 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:12.000 Commissioner Ellis. 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.000 >> Second. 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:14.000 >> Okay. 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.000 We have first and a second for approval. 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:18.000 Any discussion on the consent agenda? 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.000 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:34.000 That motion carries 5-0 as well. 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.609 That will move us to item 4, which is our public hearing 01:09:39.609 --> 01:09:41.000 sections. 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.390 I, as chair, have a conflict of interest on item A as I own 01:09:45.390 --> 01:09:49.000 property across the street from this item. 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:52.609 So at this time, I'm going to step away and recuse myself 01:09:52.609 --> 01:09:56.149 and turn the dais over to our vice chair, Commissioner 01:09:56.149 --> 01:09:57.000 Taylor. 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.000 >> I hear all your cards. 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:15.000 >> Good evening. 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:22.489 Our current item is public hearing 4A, FR16-0023, a public 01:10:22.489 --> 01:10:25.819 hearing considering a request for final replat of lots 1 01:10:25.819 --> 01:10:28.000 and 2, block B of the Hale Estates. 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.000 Do we have a staff presentation? 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:35.000 >> We have to open the public hearing. 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:36.000 >> I'm sorry. 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.000 I'm sorry. 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:38.000 I will open the public hearing at this time. 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.000 >> Haley Zikorski, our planner with the planning division, 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:52.000 a quick presentation related to this final reply. 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.000 And the applicant is also present, vice chair. 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:06.439 >> Yes, FR16-23 is a replat of lot 1, block B of the Montec 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:10.000 ito's addition. 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.000 And they're proposing to plot this one lot into two. 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.000 It would be lots 1 and 2, block B of the Hale Estates. 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.010 The property is generally located at the corner of Santa 01:11:19.010 --> 01:11:21.000 Monica Drive and El Paseo Street. 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:22.000 And I can answer any questions. 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:28.000 >> Do we have any questions of staff? 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:36.000 >> I do have a card from the applicant. 01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.000 Is Steve Hale in the audience? 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:40.000 Would you care to come forward and speak? 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:41.000 >> Sure. 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.899 >> And please state your name and address when you get to 01:11:44.899 --> 01:11:46.000 the podium. 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:56.000 >> Steve Hale, 3401 Santa Monica here in Denton. 01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:03.000 Mr. Chairman, members, thank you for allowing me to speak. 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.550 I think I need to speak not only to you all, but I think I 01:12:05.550 --> 01:12:08.659 see some of my neighbors out here, which have come, I guess 01:12:08.659 --> 01:12:09.000 . 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.590 Would you all mind raising your hand if you're here on this 01:12:11.590 --> 01:12:12.000 deal? 01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.000 I know Doug and some of you folks. 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:17.000 I appreciate you all coming out. 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:18.659 If I know there's such an interest, we would have talked 01:12:18.659 --> 01:12:20.000 about this at the last Christmas party. 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.000 >> If you could speak into the microphone. 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:26.130 >> But we didn't get an invitation for it, but if you all 01:12:26.130 --> 01:12:27.000 had one. 01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:28.670 But anyway, just want to briefly, you know what we're doing 01:12:28.670 --> 01:12:29.000 here. 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.000 We're trying to split the lot. 01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:33.590 When Karen and I inherited, and that's my wife Karen right 01:12:33.590 --> 01:12:36.779 there, we sort of inherited this property about nine years 01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:37.000 ago. 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:40.000 And we knew it was a pretty good size. 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.000 And we knew it had a dam on it. 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:45.010 And the property includes the dam and a good portion of 01:12:45.010 --> 01:12:48.439 that pond down there, I guess, if you're all familiar with 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:49.000 that. 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:55.000 And -- excuse me. 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.000 For the first couple of years, it was kind of fun. 01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.000 A lot of room back there and a lot of things to do. 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:02.439 But over the years, it's turned into a little less fun and 01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:06.000 more expense to maintain all that property back there. 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:11.329 I don't know if many of my neighbors are aware of this, but 01:13:11.329 --> 01:13:16.000 these Texas -- TCEQ, Texas Commission on Environmental 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:17.000 Quality, 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.000 has oversight over that dam. 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.000 And I get a report from them every couple of years. 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.000 They come out and do an inspection and so on. 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:28.680 And anybody that had been dealing with them for several 01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.180 years on this thing had mentioned it from time to time to 01:13:31.180 --> 01:13:32.000 some of the neighbors, 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:37.000 but they don't seem to be too interested in that issue. 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.159 The last report I got from the -- last year from the TCEQ 01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.000 is requiring engineering studies of the dam, 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:50.479 is requiring an emergency action plan, all this kind of 01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:53.060 stuff that we're going to have to be out of pocket for 01:13:53.060 --> 01:13:54.000 quite a bit, 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.439 hiring engineers and so on to have all this stuff done back 01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:58.000 there, 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.710 probably costing anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000 to get 01:14:01.710 --> 01:14:04.000 all this thing brought up to their requirements. 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:08.090 So we decided it's been more work than we wanted to do 01:14:08.090 --> 01:14:09.000 anyway. 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.590 I'm tired of going back there and having to pull out the 01:14:11.590 --> 01:14:14.000 branches that the beavers bring in every night, 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.000 every day when I get home from work. 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:19.000 And it just turned out we're not getting younger. 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.000 So we thought one of the things we needed to do was see if 01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:27.000 we could just divide the property and get it sold. 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:32.479 We spoke to a builder in the area, and he was interested in 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.000 looking at it as a lot. 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:41.840 And so I told him, I said, before we go any further with it 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:42.000 , 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:47.989 our neighbor across the street, across El Paso, Kevin Nelms 01:14:47.989 --> 01:14:48.000 , 01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.649 had expressed an interest a long time ago about buying the 01:14:51.649 --> 01:14:54.000 property back there if we were ever interested in selling. 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.060 So I went to Kevin and I said, this is what we're thinking 01:14:57.060 --> 01:14:58.000 about doing. 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.000 And he said, yeah, he'd be interested. 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.000 And he decided he'd like to buy it. 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.000 So we did a handshake on the deal. 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:07.000 And that was eight or nine months ago. 01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:11.000 And I didn't realize this process took quite so long. 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.000 But Kevin is still interested. 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.000 In fact, Kevin's here. 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:19.239 I did get a call from one of the neighbors the other 01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:20.000 morning, 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.880 a fellow we know, and he was interested in knowing what 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:25.000 Kevin's going to do with the property. 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.000 I told him I had no idea about it. 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:30.000 He understands what's going on. 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.000 I've shared all the information from the TCEQ with Kevin. 01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:37.430 Kevin has the ability and the wherewithal, and he's younger 01:15:37.430 --> 01:15:39.000 than me and all that, to go in there. 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.439 And he has crews with a lot of time to go in there and fix 01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.739 that dam up and take care of what needs to be taken care of 01:15:45.739 --> 01:15:46.000 . 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.550 I'm not as interested -- I know that everybody's interested 01:15:48.550 --> 01:15:51.020 in knowing what Kevin's going to do back there with that 01:15:51.020 --> 01:15:52.000 property. 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.260 But to be honest with you, I'm less concerned about what 01:15:55.260 --> 01:15:58.000 might happen if he wants to build something back there, 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:02.000 even though the property is all flood plain now. 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.850 I think it's been -- the way that it's been redone, it's 01:16:04.850 --> 01:16:06.000 all flood plain. 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:10.460 So I don't know what he could build, but my main concern is 01:16:10.460 --> 01:16:13.000 for the people who are downstream. 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.409 And that dam needs to be fixed, and it's going to be very 01:16:15.409 --> 01:16:19.210 expensive, and it's going to be very time consuming to get 01:16:19.210 --> 01:16:20.000 all that work done. 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:23.739 But Kevin happens to be the first person who lives 01:16:23.739 --> 01:16:26.000 downstream from that dam. 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:29.340 So he has the most vested interest of anybody in the city 01:16:29.340 --> 01:16:34.000 of Denton as to what's going to happen with that property. 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:37.100 So Kevin definitely has an interest in making sure that the 01:16:37.100 --> 01:16:41.399 dam is repaired so it doesn't breach and flow down and 01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:45.000 damage his property and so on. 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.000 But anyway, I think at that point, that's all I have. 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:52.470 And I think Kevin's going to speak here in a little bit if 01:16:52.470 --> 01:16:56.000 somebody has any questions as to what his plans are. 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.000 Do you all have any questions of me? 01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:01.000 Yes, we do have one question. Commissioner Beck? 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:03.000 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:05.369 I appreciate you coming down and speaking, Mr. Hill, and I 01:17:05.369 --> 01:17:08.600 empathize with your situation here, getting kind of stuck 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:09.000 with that. 01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:12.000 And I don't blame you for it. 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.050 But it was kind of puzzling to us, you know, why the split 01:17:16.050 --> 01:17:19.840 was there and the fact that there isn't much you can build 01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.000 on because it is a flood plain. 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.869 So I hope Kevin does indeed have some good plans for it 01:17:24.869 --> 01:17:28.000 because first I'd like to see you get off the hook from it. 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:33.000 And perhaps this piece of land serve a useful purpose. 01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:35.000 Yes. 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.000 Well, Kevin's kitchen window looks out onto the property. 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:41.000 So that's what they look at all the time out their window. 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:44.149 There just happens to be a street between him and this 01:17:44.149 --> 01:17:45.000 property. 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:46.000 And that's about it. 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.000 Have you approached the city at all? 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:51.010 Maybe they might have some interest in it as a small park 01:17:51.010 --> 01:17:52.000 or something? 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.000 No. 01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:58.819 I spoke with your emergency planner, your emergency guy, Mr 01:17:58.819 --> 01:18:00.000 . Pena. 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:03.449 Anyway, one time when I was trying to work up this 01:18:03.449 --> 01:18:07.619 emergency action plan myself and he didn't seem to express 01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:10.000 any interest in the property. 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:11.000 Okay. 01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:12.000 Thank you, Mr. Hill. 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:14.000 Anybody else? 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:15.000 Okay. 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:17.000 Thank you. 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:20.000 This is a public hearing and I have several cards already. 01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:22.760 If anybody would like to speak either in opposition or 01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:26.979 support of this issue, please fill out a blue card and give 01:18:26.979 --> 01:18:29.000 it to our secretary. 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.000 Our next speaker is Kevin Nelms. 01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:37.680 Please come forward and state your name and address and you 01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.000 'll have four minutes to speak. 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:42.000 My name is Kevin Nelms. 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:48.560 I live at 3403 Shadowbrook Court across the street from him 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:49.000 . 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:52.000 Is that's all my name and address? 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:53.000 Okay. 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.000 And people are wondering what I want to do with this. 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.909 Well, first of all, like Steve says, I look out and it's 01:18:59.909 --> 01:19:02.989 not very pretty right now because there's a bunch of trees 01:19:02.989 --> 01:19:04.000 falling down. 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.000 There's trees over the dam. 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:11.899 And now we were scheduled for the agenda for selling 40 01:19:11.899 --> 01:19:15.000 acres over on Mayhill Road. 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:19.649 That's my farm over there and I've got a bunch of equipment 01:19:19.649 --> 01:19:20.000 . 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.000 I've got the people. 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.000 I've got the resources to fix the thing up. 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.000 And basically what I want to do is look nice. 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.590 And my little eight-year-old, he likes to go over there and 01:19:29.590 --> 01:19:30.000 play. 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:34.000 And people are dumping rocks over there and everything. 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.000 I just want to make it look nice. 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.760 And I really don't know what I want to do with the property 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:39.000 . 01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.680 But I just want to get it cleaned up and I can get a nice 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:43.000 view across the lake. 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:46.000 There's a bunch of trees that need to cut down. 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.000 There's a bunch of trees dying. 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:55.000 And that's it. 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.000 Does anybody have any questions? 01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.000 No questions. 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.000 No questions. 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:02.000 Thank you. 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:03.000 No questions? 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:04.000 Okay. Thank you. 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:05.000 Thanks for hearing me. 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:17.000 And our next speaker is Douglas Ebersole. 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:18.000 I'm Doug Ebersole. 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:21.000 I live at 3210 Montecito Road. 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:25.000 And my property backs up on the lake. 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:29.000 We have a view of the lake and the dam. 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:34.329 First of all, I'm surprised there's such an absence of 01:20:34.329 --> 01:20:38.000 history about the lake. 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.000 This goes way back. 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:40.000 We lived there since '84. 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:46.439 And the neighbors behind that came there before us have 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:49.000 worked hard to maintain this lake for decades. 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:52.539 As a matter of fact, the person who used to live in their 01:20:52.539 --> 01:20:55.000 house used to have to go down to Austin 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:59.300 with several neighbors to protect the lake and the dam from 01:20:59.300 --> 01:21:02.729 the desire of the Texas Resources Commission to tear it out 01:21:02.729 --> 01:21:03.000 . 01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:06.100 And it's no secret that the Texas Resources Commission as 01:21:06.100 --> 01:21:08.000 well as the city of Denton would like that dam gone. 01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:13.000 It would solve their -- it's a dammed up drainage easement. 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.359 But we established grandfather rights for that with the 01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:18.000 Resources Commission. 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:19.000 And it's passed on. 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:24.329 And now when I moved in, six months after I moved in, the 01:21:24.329 --> 01:21:26.000 dam washed out. 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.000 That was a total surprise to me. 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:30.689 So the first thing we did was form a neighborhood 01:21:30.689 --> 01:21:34.000 association of the lake owners back in 1984. 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:35.000 And we got together. 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:36.000 We had meetings. 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:42.170 And we pooled some funds, hired an engineer to rebuild the 01:21:42.170 --> 01:21:43.000 dam. 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:48.199 And we have rebuilt it at least four times during the time 01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:50.000 I've been there. 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:53.000 And I've been the instigator of that all this time. 01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:55.000 I have led that group. 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.590 And I established the Homeowner's Association and led that 01:21:58.590 --> 01:22:02.630 up until about seven or eight years ago when I dissolved 01:22:02.630 --> 01:22:05.000 the association. 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.319 But we had done a lot of work on that as a cooperative 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:09.000 group. 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:14.039 And I'm surprised that what is happening here -- this is my 01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:18.000 first knowledge of it a week or two ago. 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:23.359 And absent any information that they might have sought to 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:28.159 talk to the neighbors about and clue us in what you want to 01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:29.000 do there, 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:33.800 I have to oppose this because this would subdivide -- this 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:37.000 is subdividing a lot in Montecito. 01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:41.310 This lot -- this addition was established back in the '60s 01:22:41.310 --> 01:22:45.000 by Bob Nichols after Montecito in Santa Barbara. 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.000 And these are large lots. 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:51.000 They're large lots inside the city limits. 01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.000 It's a unique place. 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.510 It has character and qualities that you don't find anyplace 01:22:57.510 --> 01:22:58.000 else. 01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:01.310 And to subdivide this would set a terrible precedent, which 01:23:01.310 --> 01:23:04.449 this could be done anyplace in the subdivision, behind my 01:23:04.449 --> 01:23:06.000 house, behind other houses. 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:12.000 And I have multifamily or SR3. 01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.000 Who knows what could happen. 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:19.000 And this would be a terrible precedent in my opinion. 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:24.329 Finally, in subdividing this to sell it off because there's 01:23:24.329 --> 01:23:26.000 a problem there. 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.279 Well, eight years -- actually, I think last time I got the 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:32.449 city to come down and clean that easement out, it was four 01:23:32.449 --> 01:23:33.000 years ago. 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.109 It was -- you think it's full of trees now, it was really 01:23:35.109 --> 01:23:36.000 full of stuff then. 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:38.359 They cleaned that whole thing out and regraded the whole 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:39.000 ditch there. 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.000 And that was because of me. 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:43.000 I persuaded them to come down and do that. 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:45.000 We've had the lake dredged before. 01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.439 The city has participated in that and dredged it all the 01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:50.000 way up to Hobson Lane. 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.689 The easement -- there's been a lot of cooperation and 01:23:52.689 --> 01:23:55.000 participation over the last many years. 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.960 And because we haven't done anything lately, it's because I 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.000 didn't know if there's any big issues. 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:05.000 The dam has held and that's really remarkable. 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:08.850 And it's really a credit to the people who got together as 01:24:08.850 --> 01:24:12.609 a neighborhood and designed it and engineered it and funded 01:24:12.609 --> 01:24:13.000 it. 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:17.640 This has all been paid for by neighbors who have cooperated 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:18.000 . 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.819 This is history that some people don't seem to know or 01:24:21.819 --> 01:24:23.000 appreciate. 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:28.380 But finally, relinquishing control bothers me a lot to rel 01:24:28.380 --> 01:24:32.229 inquish control of that area with the dam to someone who 01:24:32.229 --> 01:24:34.000 does not live on the lake. 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.000 Now, this is a verbal agreement. 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:37.000 There's no contract. 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.000 What you say you're going to do, I don't know that. 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:42.359 But I would hate to see something built down there in the 01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:46.000 floodplain that had to be elevated and tower over the lake. 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.210 Plus, giving control to someone who doesn't live there, you 01:24:49.210 --> 01:24:51.000 may pass it on to somebody else. 01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.479 And if it gets turned over to the Texas Water Resources or 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:56.329 the City of Denton eventually, you'll take it out because 01:24:56.329 --> 01:24:58.000 it makes our job easier without that dam there. 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.479 And then that would be turned into a big snake pit back 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:02.000 there, which would happen. 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:03.000 It's happened before. 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:05.000 The lakes have been washed out many times. 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:07.000 And it's not pretty when it happens. 01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:09.760 This is meaningful to the whole side of town, to the whole 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.000 neighborhood, not just the lake owners. 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:18.279 That needs to be preserved and maintained and not subdivid 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:19.000 ed. 01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:23.000 Thank you, sir. 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:31.060 Our next speaker is -- we have some -- I'm sorry, we have 01:25:31.060 --> 01:25:34.000 some questions. 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:37.529 Should we -- would it be okay if we finished the public 01:25:37.529 --> 01:25:41.000 hearing, or do you want to give the comment now? 01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:46.000 Okay, so Commissioner Hudspeth. 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:50.000 Thank you, Acting Chair. 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:58.060 Earl, may I borrow you to put up the graphic that shows -- 01:25:58.060 --> 01:26:03.489 and kind of demonstrate what's available as is so that we 01:26:03.489 --> 01:26:07.000 can frame what can be done on the property 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:12.960 and kind of understand what's available to whoever would 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.000 buy that parcel. 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.699 Let me see if I can -- I'm sorry, let me see if I can clean 01:26:18.699 --> 01:26:20.000 this up, too. 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.000 Thank you. 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:26.000 I don't know why it's grayed out like this. 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:31.000 That's not it. 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:47.000 [inaudible] 01:26:47.000 --> 01:27:16.000 Can I just close on that? 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.000 Good evening. 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:21.000 My name is Earl Escobar, Engineering Department. 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:25.829 Trying to zoom in to help pinpoint what exactly is not enc 01:27:25.829 --> 01:27:30.000 umbered by easements within this lot, too. 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:34.000 And if you could follow my cursor. 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:39.329 I think you had a -- in work session, you had one that was 01:27:39.329 --> 01:27:41.000 kind of zoomed in. 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:42.000 Right. 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:45.710 And that's the reason this program's not letting me zoom in 01:27:45.710 --> 01:27:46.000 . 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:47.000 Got it. 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:56.000 Well, maybe. 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:58.000 That didn't work. 01:27:58.000 --> 01:27:59.000 I apologize. 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:00.000 Okay. 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:03.840 But if you could follow my cursor, this little triangular 01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:07.460 area is pretty much the only portion of this lot that's not 01:28:07.460 --> 01:28:09.000 encumbered by any easements, 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:13.000 drainage or utility or whatnot. 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:17.729 And if you had to give me a round number, since it's harder 01:28:17.729 --> 01:28:22.000 to see, round number -- amount of space that is? 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:26.850 I would say it's about a -- I don't know, say 40 by 100- 01:28:26.850 --> 01:28:30.000 foot area, triangular-shaped area. 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.729 So of everything in that, you were talking round numbers, 01:28:33.729 --> 01:28:38.250 not holding you to it, 40 to 100-ish space that's available 01:28:38.250 --> 01:28:39.000 that's not -- 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.000 That's not encumbered by any floodplain or easements. 01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:43.000 Right. 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:44.000 Okay. 01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:45.000 That's deemed developable. 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:46.000 Got it. 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:47.000 Thank you. 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.000 That's helpful. 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:56.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.000 Commissioner Beck. 01:28:58.000 --> 01:28:59.000 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.000 Mr. Ebbersol, can I get you to come back down, sir? 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:10.000 Can I get you to come back down, please? 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:12.000 Thank you. 01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:13.760 I understand your concern here, and I appreciate you 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:16.079 sharing that information you did, because I wasn't even 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:18.000 aware there was a lake over there. 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.000 That's just the tip of the iceberg. 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:20.000 Yeah. 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.800 But my question to you would be, how do you alleviate the 01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:27.710 situation Mr. Hill is facing right now, the financial 01:29:27.710 --> 01:29:31.250 burden this is, if he can't split this property off and 01:29:31.250 --> 01:29:32.000 sell it? 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:36.000 I understand your concern for it, and I empathize with you. 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.000 But I find myself empathizing with him, too. 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:41.000 So how do you reconcile that? 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:43.000 Is there a way to get -- 01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:46.989 First of all, as I just said, I worked with the city 01:29:46.989 --> 01:29:51.270 drainage department to have that cleared out, I can't 01:29:51.270 --> 01:29:54.170 remember, it was three or four years ago, and cleaned up, 01:29:54.170 --> 01:29:58.000 and they graded the entire easement there between El Paseo 01:29:58.000 --> 01:29:59.000 and the dam. 01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.000 It's totally regraded and cleared out. 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:04.000 Now, nothing's permanent. 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:05.000 Everything changes. 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:08.430 That's an ecosystem that keeps on changing, so it needs 01:30:08.430 --> 01:30:10.000 constant attention. 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:14.100 But the neighbors, like I said, we had a homeowners 01:30:14.100 --> 01:30:19.220 association, we got together over 20 years to rebuild, 01:30:19.220 --> 01:30:21.000 design, build it. 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:25.250 The house on the corner behind you, across the lake, half 01:30:25.250 --> 01:30:29.260 the dirt on their property was brought out of the lake, 01:30:29.260 --> 01:30:33.000 same way on the lot next to you on El Paseo there. 01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:36.569 That was all fill, it was taken out of the lake because 01:30:36.569 --> 01:30:40.359 those neighbors cooperated and let us put it there when we 01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:43.000 cleaned out the lake and dredged it. 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:45.000 And this is all done at our expense. 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.699 And the neighbors cooperated to do that, and that would 01:30:47.699 --> 01:30:49.000 have to be done again. 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.000 I've done this for decades. 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.000 I'm not the person to spearhead it again. 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.000 We need younger people to do it. 01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:58.000 That's how it happened before, and it should happen again. 01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.100 It's first my knowledge that you've been spending some 01:31:01.100 --> 01:31:03.000 money on it and to maintain it. 01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:04.000 I didn't know that. 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:07.289 If I had been made part of the loop, then I would have 01:31:07.289 --> 01:31:10.000 helped and got neighborhood support. 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:11.000 That's how it's happened. 01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:14.000 That's how it happens to other neighbors around the city. 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:15.000 Well, I agree. 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.960 I think if you could get this organized again where 01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:20.000 everybody could pitch in because it just -- 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:21.000 Well, we've done it. 01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:24.000 We've done it since 1984 and before I got there. 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:26.000 But it's nonexistent right now. 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:27.000 Is that correct? 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:28.000 Okay. 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:29.989 And right now the financial burden to maintain it is 01:31:29.989 --> 01:31:31.000 falling on Mr. Hill. 01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:34.000 It's not clear to me what that burden exactly is right now. 01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:35.000 Okay. 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:37.050 As a matter of fact, we had -- I paid a guy to go down 01:31:37.050 --> 01:31:39.000 there and fix the dam last summer. 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:43.170 He took the boards out and rewelded the sides of the dam 01:31:43.170 --> 01:31:44.000 there. 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.000 And I paid -- my next door neighbor and I paid for that. 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:49.000 I got it. 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:50.000 Yeah, you did. 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:51.000 You paid a third of it. 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:52.000 I'm sorry. 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:53.000 Yeah. 01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:54.000 The three of us. 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:55.000 That's the only three. 01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:56.000 There's 11 property owners on the lake. 01:31:56.000 --> 01:32:00.010 I didn't even bother to talk to him about that because it 01:32:00.010 --> 01:32:02.000 wasn't that big a deal. 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:06.000 Well, it puts us kind of in a quandary. 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:08.619 It seems to vote on something that has some benefit and it 01:32:08.619 --> 01:32:12.000 could probably be salvaged if everybody pitched in. 01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:15.000 But unless that happens, the onus falls on Mr. Hill at this 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:15.000 point. 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:18.329 So I don't know how we reconcile that here tonight unless 01:32:18.329 --> 01:32:20.000 we just don't vote on it. 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:23.279 Well, I don't either because this is -- up until last week, 01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:25.000 I had no idea about this. 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:26.000 Okay. 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:30.000 Thank you. 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:31.000 So this is a public hearing. 01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.159 Anybody that wishes to speak in favor or against can submit 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:35.000 a blue card. 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:38.000 I have two more cards wishing to speak. 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:52.000 Michael Doransky will be followed by Weaver McClure. 01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:56.000 Doransky at 2911 Montecito here in Denton. 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.960 First of all, I don't think we'd kind of be here today if 01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:01.329 we'd actually had probably a neighborhood meeting to 01:33:01.329 --> 01:33:05.670 discuss the issues with this property or the issues that 01:33:05.670 --> 01:33:08.000 they're facing with this piece of property. 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:11.000 But we didn't have said meetings. 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:13.560 So a lot of times for -- like with Doug and I, we're 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.000 hearing a lot of these things for the first time. 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:19.560 And I'm sure a lot of people are going to get hurt tonight 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:23.329 in their feelings of opposition or for this piece because 01:33:23.329 --> 01:33:27.000 we did not have said meeting ahead of time for this. 01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.149 So we didn't have a neighborhood go, okay, we are all for 01:33:30.149 --> 01:33:33.100 this or all against this, but it still has -- it got to 01:33:33.100 --> 01:33:34.000 this point. 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.630 Our subdivision was founded with a set of covenants and 01:33:36.630 --> 01:33:39.329 number eight of those covenants was says you just cannot 01:33:39.329 --> 01:33:41.000 subdivide the properties. 01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.000 And that's exactly what's going on here today. 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:49.329 And regardless of these pieces, if we allow them to subdiv 01:33:49.329 --> 01:33:53.220 ide, that's not -- that will then set a precedent for other 01:33:53.220 --> 01:33:57.000 people to go, well, they subdivided, I want to subdivide. 01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:00.050 And now other properties could just get torn down with 01:34:00.050 --> 01:34:03.000 these lots that are three to five acres in size. 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.630 And you could put a ton more houses in just by tearing down 01:34:06.630 --> 01:34:10.260 one house and continue to build out if we allow one person 01:34:10.260 --> 01:34:13.960 to subdivide and allow then other lots to be subdivided by 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.000 setting that precedent. 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:18.000 The subdivision would never look the same. 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:21.789 And as Doug has pointed out, it's a very unique area and 01:34:21.789 --> 01:34:25.000 the people there have a love for that area. 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:28.159 And I think that it's within our best interest to maintain 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:31.329 the integrity of what the covenants had established that 01:34:31.329 --> 01:34:35.000 these properties would not be subdivided into these pieces. 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:38.010 And as, you know, I understand Kevin's point that he wants 01:34:38.010 --> 01:34:40.350 to go out there and he wants to see the view of the 01:34:40.350 --> 01:34:41.000 property. 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:44.250 And as Doug has pointed out, being neighborly, if he wants 01:34:44.250 --> 01:34:47.310 to provide his own equipment to clear out these property 01:34:47.310 --> 01:34:49.000 for him, I'm all for that. 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:53.000 But I still don't believe in subdividing this property. 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:55.199 And as Doug has pointed out, this property has a dam that 01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:56.000 encompasses it. 01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:59.609 And as he's informed me and I assume others, the city as 01:34:59.609 --> 01:35:03.229 well as the state of Texas does not want to maintain that 01:35:03.229 --> 01:35:06.000 dam and you don't want that dam at all. 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:10.520 As part of that, if whatever is in this floodplain, the 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:15.069 lake could then be drained and then some of that property 01:35:15.069 --> 01:35:19.199 would then fall out of a floodplain, allowing it to be 01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:22.000 further developed into whatever that small sliver 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.560 into a larger piece or to whatever could be elevated off of 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:25.000 there. 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:27.890 And when you drain or remove this dam off of there, the 01:35:27.890 --> 01:35:30.000 property is further on down there. 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.800 We'll probably experience, I would assume, some larger ebbs 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:37.880 and flows if we have heavy rainfall because that dam just 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:43.640 provides like a current or a coupling or what if you want 01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:45.720 to call it to prevent said water from coming down there 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:49.100 because the lake allows water to fill up without rushing 01:35:49.100 --> 01:35:51.000 down further off of there. 01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:54.220 So in conclusion, I would ask that the board deny the repl 01:35:54.220 --> 01:35:57.670 at and maintain the integrity that the covenants originally 01:35:57.670 --> 01:36:01.000 had established to not allow other subdivides in there. 01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:03.689 And again, it would just set a precedent for other people 01:36:03.689 --> 01:36:06.239 to want to do the same thing or for a new home builder to 01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:09.699 come in and buy one piece of property and then be able to 01:36:09.699 --> 01:36:15.000 build five houses or so on that one piece of property. 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:17.479 I think the wildlife is important to maintain around there 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:19.939 and that could completely disappear depending on whatever 01:36:19.939 --> 01:36:21.000 Kevin decides to do. 01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:23.250 If he decides to sell it to somebody else after he's got 01:36:23.250 --> 01:36:25.600 what he wanted for a view or if something should happen or 01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:28.680 it goes further down the line, I don't think there's any 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:33.079 type of guarantees that the people who live there can get 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:35.710 that would maybe reassure them that this is fine because 01:36:35.710 --> 01:36:36.000 again, 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:38.590 if comes further down the line that people could then 01:36:38.590 --> 01:36:41.329 subdivide their own property or a home builder could come 01:36:41.329 --> 01:36:44.060 in and ask for the same same considerations that they're 01:36:44.060 --> 01:36:45.000 asking for. 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:50.000 Thank you. 01:36:50.000 --> 01:37:02.000 So weaver McClure will be followed by Cassandra Cornell. 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:07.670 My name is Weaver McClure. I'm 3100 Carmel. I'm in the Mont 01:37:07.670 --> 01:37:09.000 ecito Addition Block C. 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:12.069 In 19, I don't know if you're familiar with the deed 01:37:12.069 --> 01:37:15.159 restrictions on this property, on this property in the Mont 01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:16.000 ecito Division. 01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:22.000 There was a deed restriction Bob Nichols did back in 1965. 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:27.329 It was amended in 1966. The deed restrictions restrict 01:37:27.329 --> 01:37:32.039 subdivisions of lots into smaller lots unless there's like 01:37:32.039 --> 01:37:35.000 300 front feet to the street. 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:39.350 I don't think on Santa Monica there's 300 feet in length or 01:37:39.350 --> 01:37:42.130 maybe, but I think on the side of El Paso there's probably 01:37:42.130 --> 01:37:43.000 more than that. 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:48.000 So I guess it could be subdivided by the deed restrictions. 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.840 I'm in opposition to it unless the deed restrictions pass 01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:56.000 along with, you know, with your approval. 01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:01.750 The way it looks to me like the deed restrictions for Mont 01:38:01.750 --> 01:38:05.000 ecito Division is there now. 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:08.560 If it's replatted, is that going to lift the deed 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:13.000 restrictions that we have on the whole Montecito Addition? 01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:16.869 Because the way I'm reading this, it goes from Montecito 01:38:16.869 --> 01:38:21.489 Addition Lot 13 Block B to the Hell of States Block, you 01:38:21.489 --> 01:38:26.000 know, Lot 1 and 2 Block B. 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:28.949 So that's a question that I have and I haven't got an 01:38:28.949 --> 01:38:30.000 answer so far. 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.699 Well, I think it's because the city is prohibited by state 01:38:33.699 --> 01:38:37.159 law from enforcing any kind of restricted covenant that 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:40.000 might be on the property, which includes your HOA bylaws. 01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.000 So we can't enforce those bylaws. 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:47.539 We can only look at the application as it sits in front of 01:38:47.539 --> 01:38:48.000 us. 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:50.000 So we don't have control over that. 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.289 That would be a separate civil action that you would have 01:38:52.289 --> 01:38:54.000 to undergo that separated from this. 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.560 Do you know if you replat it though, if that deed 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:58.729 restriction, since you're changing the name of the subdiv 01:38:58.729 --> 01:39:03.060 ision to Hell of States from Montecito Division, what that 01:39:03.060 --> 01:39:04.000 does? 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:07.000 Does that take it out of the Montecito Estates Addition? 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:08.000 No, it would still be in it. 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:10.000 Even though it's called something different? 01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:11.000 I don't know. 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:15.630 Because it's a replant of a specific lot within the Montec 01:39:15.630 --> 01:39:19.899 ito Addition, it still remains within that parent subdiv 01:39:19.899 --> 01:39:21.000 ision plant. 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:24.000 So it's not being removed from that parent tract. 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:26.789 However, as it relates to the implications of the deed 01:39:26.789 --> 01:39:29.939 restrictions that you're referring to, that would be 01:39:29.939 --> 01:39:32.000 between the, whether it's your HOA or neighborhood. 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:33.000 Deed restriction committee? 01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:36.439 Exactly, to discern what your bylaws are as it relates to 01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:38.000 replanting property. 01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:39.000 Okay. 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.000 Any questions? 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:45.000 Okay, thank you. 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:49.000 Thank you. 01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:51.000 Cassandra Cornell. 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:53.000 And that's all the cards I have that wish to speak. 01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:56.539 If anybody else would like to speak on this matter, please 01:39:56.539 --> 01:39:58.000 fill out a blue card. 01:39:58.000 --> 01:39:59.000 Hi. 01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:01.000 I'm at 3200 Montecito. 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:03.000 I live next door to Mr. Ebersole. 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:06.289 And I just wanted to let you know that when I bought my 01:40:06.289 --> 01:40:10.170 house 15 years ago, it was made very clear to us that under 01:40:10.170 --> 01:40:13.680 no circumstances were we ever allowed to subdivide our lots 01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:14.000 . 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.000 It was a declared bird sanctuary. 01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:20.000 There's a lot of rare species that live there. 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.000 And we really, really protect and guard our lake. 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:26.939 I believe that maybe in this case there is a miscommun 01:40:26.939 --> 01:40:31.569 ication because I do know that 15 years ago we also knew as 01:40:31.569 --> 01:40:35.699 neighbors that if anything were to happen, we all worked 01:40:35.699 --> 01:40:38.649 together to take care of our lake and to take care of our 01:40:38.649 --> 01:40:40.000 animals and birds. 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.840 And I think that maybe through just attrition of properties 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:47.000 that that didn't get relayed somehow. 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:50.529 But I do know I've seen pictures of neighbors digging in 01:40:50.529 --> 01:40:53.000 the mud together to take care of it. 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:56.430 What I don't understand is wanting to divide the plot 01:40:56.430 --> 01:41:00.050 because essentially you would be buying a burden of just 01:41:00.050 --> 01:41:02.000 the dam and a floodplain. 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:05.090 And what concerns me is, is there may be good intentions 01:41:05.090 --> 01:41:07.859 there for now, but if anything were to happen to that owner 01:41:07.859 --> 01:41:11.489 , who's to say that they wouldn't do something to control 01:41:11.489 --> 01:41:15.000 the dam and with that dam they would destroy all of those 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:16.000 animals and birds and everything else. 01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:18.000 We protect. 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.159 It is a very rare treasure to live there and I plan on 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.000 finishing my life there. 01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:26.430 My husband is a cancer survivor and we chose to live there 01:41:26.430 --> 01:41:29.850 because of the peace and it would really break my heart to 01:41:29.850 --> 01:41:33.000 see our wonderful neighborhood be destroyed. 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:35.000 Thank you. 01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:38.000 Thank you. 01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:41.149 I do have three cards that were submitted that did not wish 01:41:41.149 --> 01:41:44.000 to speak and I'll read those into the record now. 01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:49.500 Mike Murray at 3211 Santa Monica Drive in Denton is 01:41:49.500 --> 01:41:52.000 expresses his opposition. 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:58.729 Jan McClure at 3100 Carmel Street in Denton expresses her 01:41:58.729 --> 01:42:00.000 opposition. 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:06.100 Arlie Holstrand at 3110 Carmel Street in Denton expresses 01:42:06.100 --> 01:42:08.000 their opposition. 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.170 This is a public hearing. If anybody else would like to 01:42:11.170 --> 01:42:14.000 speak on this item, please come forward now. 01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:16.960 I'm sorry, sir. You've already you've already spoken for 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:18.000 your four minutes. 01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:23.000 So if anybody else would like to speak on this issue. 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:33.390 Seeing nobody else I will close the public hearing and open 01:42:33.390 --> 01:42:37.000 this for discussion. 01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:39.000 Commissioner Beck. Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:45.130 I guess we need clarification here as a commission as 01:42:45.130 --> 01:42:51.000 really what to do here is a simple up or down vote. 01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:54.689 Are we still just looking at voting on whether to allow the 01:42:54.689 --> 01:42:59.390 property to divide or we're looking at other legal 01:42:59.390 --> 01:43:02.000 consequences that will affect this? 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:04.000 So help us here as far as the vote goes. 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.000 What exactly are we? 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:09.000 Let me let our legal counsel advise us. 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:14.340 You're solely looking at whether or not it should be subd 01:43:14.340 --> 01:43:18.000 ivided, replatted based on our technical requirements. 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.869 We don't really have the discretion to bring into whether 01:43:21.869 --> 01:43:26.199 or not there is some sort of civil dispute between adjacent 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:28.000 property owners. 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:32.399 So the only thing that we're looking at is whether or not 01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:35.000 he can make it a lot of record. 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:36.000 We're not looking at the sale. 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:38.000 We're not looking at anything else. 01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.000 Just whether or not he can make that a lot of record. 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.560 Which if it's met all the technical requirements, which the 01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:47.699 staff says that it has, then there's not much discretion to 01:43:47.699 --> 01:43:49.000 be had in that. 01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:52.000 So can we move to either approve or deny? 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:54.000 You either approve or deny. 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:55.000 Okay. 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:58.229 Unlike the objections in say a rezoning case, there's 01:43:58.229 --> 01:44:01.890 nothing that triggers any kind of supermajority requirement 01:44:01.890 --> 01:44:05.000 or anything as far as objections are concerned. 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:07.000 Okay. Great. Thank you. 01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:09.000 Commissioner Ellis. 01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:11.000 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:14.000 I guess my question may be staff legal. 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:15.000 Okay. 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:18.000 So a replant and a subdivide is one in the same? 01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:19.000 Correct. 01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:20.000 Okay. 01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:22.000 In this case. 01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:23.000 Sorry? 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:24.000 In this case, yes. 01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:27.420 And with staff looking at this, deed restrictions are not 01:44:27.420 --> 01:44:30.000 considered when this is being looked at. 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:36.000 So any plat can be replatted? 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.520 So long as it meets the technical requirements of the city, 01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:40.000 yes. 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:43.000 Can you enlighten us on the technical requirements? 01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:45.000 Sure. 01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:47.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:49.979 The Denton Development Code has specific subdivision 01:44:49.979 --> 01:44:51.000 requirements. 01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:54.460 In this instance, because this is a replant of a resident 01:44:54.460 --> 01:44:58.029 ially zoned property, that is why it is a public hearing in 01:44:58.029 --> 01:44:59.000 this manner. 01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:05.000 Notices are sent within 200 feet of the subject site. 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.960 And it gives an opportunity for the community within that 01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:11.000 subdivision to come forward and voice their opinion. 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:13.590 As it relates to the technical requirements, the elements 01:45:13.590 --> 01:45:16.350 that are looked at are the zoning district criteria, the 01:45:16.350 --> 01:45:18.000 minimum lot size, 01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:21.119 which is primary in a residential subdivision, the 01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:23.579 engineering department, because they're just making sure 01:45:23.579 --> 01:45:26.649 that the necessary or pertinent easements are reflected on 01:45:26.649 --> 01:45:27.000 the site, 01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:30.289 which, as you can see on this lot too, if I'm not mistaken, 01:45:30.289 --> 01:45:33.000 is the lot that's being questioned right now. 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:35.890 And again, those technical requirements, there is no 01:45:35.890 --> 01:45:38.000 development occurring at this time. 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.949 There's a large swath of drainage easement and floodplain 01:45:40.949 --> 01:45:42.000 on the property. 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:44.779 They are not mitigating or compromising any elements 01:45:44.779 --> 01:45:48.000 associated with the subdivision ordinance at this time. 01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:51.439 The issue at hand, I think, before the Commission right now 01:45:51.439 --> 01:45:54.289 is the concern associated with deed restrictions that the 01:45:54.289 --> 01:45:57.079 surrounding property owners have mentioned, which we do not 01:45:57.079 --> 01:45:58.000 enforce. 01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.000 And of course, zoning remains the same. 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:02.000 Zoning remains the same. 01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:05.310 The lot and the lot size as it relates to the zoning 01:46:05.310 --> 01:46:09.229 requirements of that subdivision are intact in the sense 01:46:09.229 --> 01:46:12.000 that they've not been compromised. 01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:17.739 So the minimum lot requirements for lot one and two are 01:46:17.739 --> 01:46:19.000 intact. 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:21.000 Commissioner Hutsmith. 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:22.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:29.390 Menal, can you help me understand the environmentally 01:46:29.390 --> 01:46:34.909 sensitive area? What protections does it have, changes to 01:46:34.909 --> 01:46:39.560 that but for that one swath of land, changes to that if the 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:44.369 lot's separated, changes to that new lot, would that come 01:46:44.369 --> 01:46:46.000 back before us? 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:50.000 Is that body of water protected? 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.000 Sure. 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:56.899 Commissioner Hutsmith and Commission, one of the elements 01:46:56.899 --> 01:46:59.439 that we would consider, that we would be required to 01:46:59.439 --> 01:47:02.220 consider as it relates to development of that property in 01:47:02.220 --> 01:47:05.289 the sense if it were to go vertical with a residential 01:47:05.289 --> 01:47:09.689 structure, then if there is a environmentally sensitive 01:47:09.689 --> 01:47:13.449 area on that subject site, our environmental team would 01:47:13.449 --> 01:47:17.600 review and see what mitigation measures would have to be 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:19.000 put in place to protect and protect the property. 01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.000 And provide any necessary mitigation. 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:25.680 That is referred to as an alternative environmentally 01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:27.000 sensitive area. 01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:29.069 In order to do that, you have to go through the public 01:47:29.069 --> 01:47:30.000 hearing process. 01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:32.590 It is a dual public hearing process, which means that the 01:47:32.590 --> 01:47:34.000 request would be notified. 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.119 It would come before the Planning and Zoning Commission and 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:39.000 then move on to the City Council. 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:42.539 The other element that needs to be considered is not just 01:47:42.539 --> 01:47:46.199 the ESA or the ESA that we've referred to, but there is, if 01:47:46.199 --> 01:47:50.000 I'm not mistaken, a floodway/flood zone on the property. 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.800 And any type, if there were development to occur, then 01:47:53.800 --> 01:47:58.060 mitigation measures as it relates to perhaps doing a letter 01:47:58.060 --> 01:48:01.649 of map provision to adjust the limits or remit of or 01:48:01.649 --> 01:48:04.000 boundary of that flood zone. 01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:09.020 Again, that would warrant an engineering design to come 01:48:09.020 --> 01:48:14.000 forward and be approved by the Engineering Department. 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:19.000 Thank you. 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:22.000 So I have a few questions. 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:27.500 Regarding the drainage easement being put in place by this 01:48:27.500 --> 01:48:28.000 plat. 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:36.000 If we can get the drawing on the board. 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:42.439 So the plat indicates a large area that says of drainage 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:44.000 easement. 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:46.000 This is separate from the floodplain. 01:48:46.000 --> 01:49:01.329 So if the floodplain were to shift, would this easement 01:49:01.329 --> 01:49:06.000 stay in place? 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:17.220 That's correct. The easement would stay in place because it 01:49:17.220 --> 01:49:17.500 is plotted in its place in order to amend the easement to 01:49:17.500 --> 01:49:17.789 conform to the newly relocated floodplain for whatever 01:49:17.789 --> 01:49:20.000 reason that it alters in the future. 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:23.939 They would have to replat the property to reflect the new 01:49:23.939 --> 01:49:25.000 location. 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:34.220 And then there is also a 15 foot utility easement, is that 01:49:34.220 --> 01:49:36.000 correct? A 20 foot utility easement as well? 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:39.359 Even if they got the utility lines moved, they would have 01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:42.510 to come forward and have it replatted again in order to 01:49:42.510 --> 01:49:44.000 remove the easements? 01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:45.000 That's correct. 01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:57.000 Okay. Thank you. 01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:00.000 Commissioner Hutsmith. 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:09.319 I'm inclined to, if it's an option, move that we push this 01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:19.239 item back to give the neighborhood time to evaluate, talk, 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:23.000 before we have to insert ourselves. 01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:30.439 I have a hard time making that decision. Again, we're short 01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:31.000 a couple of members. 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:36.000 One, two. 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:39.439 I think some things can be, if they are at impasse, then 01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:40.000 sure. 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:43.000 I'm happy to, not happy, but we'll have to break ties. 01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:48.039 But I think, given an opportunity, hopefully some of these 01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:51.800 issues may be able to be worked out and the deed 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:54.000 restriction is news to me. 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:58.319 And I don't want to make a decision that triggers civil 01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:02.000 actions if they can be managed otherwise. 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:04.000 If they can't, they can't. 01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:06.000 But that's my inclination. 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:09.279 I don't know where we fall or how that would look in 01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:13.000 practice if I have to select a certain meeting date. 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:18.000 But I would like to give some time for, because the gross 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:23.000 majority of the people are against, and that weighs heavy. 01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:26.989 And then, so you counterbalance that with, it's their 01:51:26.989 --> 01:51:28.000 property. 01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:30.369 I mean, so how can you tell someone what to do with their 01:51:30.369 --> 01:51:31.000 property? 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:36.329 So it's a very compelling argument, but I'd like to allow 01:51:36.329 --> 01:51:41.439 them to have control of that conversation before we wrangle 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:44.000 that control away from them. 01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:48.350 So I might ask the applicant to return to the microphone 01:51:48.350 --> 01:51:50.000 just for a moment. 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:53.470 We're in a unique situation here because we only have four 01:51:53.470 --> 01:51:57.850 commissioners tonight, and it requires four affirmative 01:51:57.850 --> 01:52:00.000 votes for us to approve. 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:04.050 So if we had two more commissioners, there might be more 01:52:04.050 --> 01:52:05.000 leeway. 01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:08.279 And I wonder if two or four weeks might give you the 01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:12.329 opportunity to speak with your neighbors about and resolve 01:52:12.329 --> 01:52:14.000 some of these issues. 01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:18.050 Okay, if I could ask you a question, regardless of which 01:52:18.050 --> 01:52:20.000 way your vote would go tonight, 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:23.199 does this matter have to go up to the council for final 01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:27.000 approval of any sort, or is this the last stop right here? 01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:31.000 This is the last stop for Platts. 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:35.479 Okay, so you're saying it requires four votes, so all the 01:52:35.479 --> 01:52:38.539 members present would have to vote affirmatively to approve 01:52:38.539 --> 01:52:39.000 this. 01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:44.640 And if you did not get off, I did not get off four votes, 01:52:44.640 --> 01:52:49.000 then my application is killed, is denied? 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:55.899 Well, you could bring it back, but as of now it would be 01:52:55.899 --> 01:52:57.000 gone. It would be denied. 01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:02.000 I see. Well, we've been waiting a long time for this thing. 01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:05.029 It's taken us over eight months, and my surveyor said it'd 01:53:05.029 --> 01:53:06.000 be two months. 01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:10.520 So I'm inclined to not do that, but I don't want to also 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:15.000 get in or out with all my neighbors unnecessarily. 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:20.810 If we can reschedule this in two weeks, I'd be willing to 01:53:20.810 --> 01:53:22.000 do that. 01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:25.439 But I also have to explain to these people that I do have 01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:28.000 an agreement to sell this property. 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:31.869 So maybe that would involve him as well in our discussion, 01:53:31.869 --> 01:53:42.000 so. But I don't mind pushing it off. 01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:45.899 So I'm thinking it sounds like two weeks. Do we have room 01:53:45.899 --> 01:53:48.000 on the calendar for two weeks? 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:51.149 Absolutely, we'd be able to. We would not have to re-notify 01:53:51.149 --> 01:53:56.300 or re-notice this, and we would re-hear this on March the 8 01:53:56.300 --> 01:53:57.000 th. 01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:02.329 And hopefully that will give the applicants sufficient time 01:54:02.329 --> 01:54:06.000 to communicate with the neighborhood. 01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:07.000 Thank you very much. 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.430 I'm sorry, just so that we're clear on the record, you 01:54:10.430 --> 01:54:14.000 consenting to such a postponement until March 8th. 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:16.000 I have my wife as well. Do you agree? 01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:17.000 Yes, ma'am. 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:20.000 You're all right. 01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:21.000 Yes, that's fine. 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:25.000 Okay. And Commissioner Hudspeth, are you making a motion? 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.000 Yes. 01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:28.000 Go ahead. 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:35.539 So I move that we take agenda item A, FR16-0023, and postp 01:54:35.539 --> 01:54:38.000 one it for two weeks. 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:41.000 And a date certain? 01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:42.000 Yes, to a date certain. 01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:43.000 Which weekend? 01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:45.000 March 8th. 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:47.000 Yes. 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:52.000 We have a motion. Do we have a second? Commissioner Ellis? 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:55.000 Second. 01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:59.760 So we have a motion and a second, and I would like to speak 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:02.000 on this piece briefly. 01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:05.500 With PLATs, the Planning and Zoning Commission has very 01:55:05.500 --> 01:55:07.000 limited authority. 01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:10.020 We can only deny a PLAT if it violates some technical 01:55:10.020 --> 01:55:15.750 requirement, which is things like width, lot width, square 01:55:15.750 --> 01:55:17.000 footage. 01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:20.000 There's several chapters that cover them. 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:23.859 But it tends to be very minute details, which our staff 01:55:23.859 --> 01:55:27.000 does a very good job of identifying. 01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:31.539 However, the complexity of this case and the concerns of 01:55:31.539 --> 01:55:35.479 the neighborhood and the fact that we only have four 01:55:35.479 --> 01:55:38.949 commissioners sitting up here tonight, I do feel justifies 01:55:38.949 --> 01:55:41.000 this postponement. 01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:45.239 That said, to the neighbors, you will either have to find a 01:55:45.239 --> 01:55:49.420 technical reason why the commission could vote against it 01:55:49.420 --> 01:55:51.000 if you want to stop it. 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:56.329 Or there's nothing we can do as far as covenants or deed 01:55:56.329 --> 01:55:58.000 restrictions. 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:05.000 Those would require you to take action, not us. 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:08.000 Any further discussion? 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:32.000 Call for a vote on the board. 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:47.000 The motion to postpone two weeks carries 4-0. 01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:57.220 And now we will move to our next agenda item, item 4B, and 01:56:57.220 --> 01:57:08.000 Commissioner Strange, Chairperson Strange will return. 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:15.000 Thank you. 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:20.000 We'll give a few minutes to let the room clear before we 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:22.000 open our next item. 01:57:45.000 --> 01:58:12.000 Thank you for your patience allowing the room to clear. 01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:16.000 We'll continue on with our agenda. 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:18.000 We're moving to item B. 01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:23.329 At this time, I'm going to open the public hearing for Z16- 01:58:23.329 --> 01:58:28.000 0029 and I will call on Haley for presentation. 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:52.000 Good evening. 01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:58.000 This is case Z16-29 for the CST corner store. 01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:00.310 Given that we have quite a bit of audience, I'll run 01:59:00.310 --> 01:59:03.010 through the presentation briefly again just so everyone's 01:59:03.010 --> 01:59:04.000 on the same page. 01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:07.149 So the request was to hold a public hearing and consider a 01:59:07.149 --> 01:59:11.000 request by the property owners to rezone approximately .7 01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:15.000 acres from a neighborhood residential 6 or NR6 district to 01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:18.000 a community mixed use general district, the CMG district, 01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:21.899 as well as to rezone approximately 3.6 acres from 01:59:21.899 --> 01:59:26.000 neighborhood residential mixed use or NRMU to CMG. 01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:29.279 This property is generally located at the northeast corner 01:59:29.279 --> 01:59:31.000 of Country Club and Hobson. 01:59:31.000 --> 01:59:36.000 It also has frontage on Fort Worth Drive. 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:41.000 And currently it is split between two parcels of land. 01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:43.760 So just a general idea of what's in the area, there's some 01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.479 multifamily as well as a gas station across Country Club 01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:48.000 Road from the property. 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:51.180 There is a small office park and some single family homes 01:59:51.180 --> 01:59:53.000 to the south across Hobson. 01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:56.989 And then there's a mix of industrial and commercial uses 01:59:56.989 --> 02:00:01.000 across Fort Worth Drive from the property as well. 02:00:01.000 --> 02:00:04.840 So the current zoning, approximately .7 acres is currently 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:06.000 zoned NR6. 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:11.000 3.6 acres are currently zoned NRMU. 02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:13.760 The future land use designation for this property is 02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:17.439 community mixed use, which is a designation that promotes a 02:00:17.439 --> 02:00:21.899 mix of uses, mostly commercial with a mix of supporting 02:00:21.899 --> 02:00:25.000 residential and service uses. 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:27.369 So considerations that staff looked at for this, the CMG 02:00:27.369 --> 02:00:30.329 district would be newly introduced to the area with this 02:00:30.329 --> 02:00:31.000 request. 02:00:31.000 --> 02:00:36.000 There currently isn't any other CMG adjoining the property. 02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:39.609 We feel that CMG would, it allows a mixture of commercial 02:00:39.609 --> 02:00:43.720 and institutional uses that would be appropriate, we felt, 02:00:43.720 --> 02:00:47.000 at this prominent hard corner location. 02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:50.840 And CMG also conforms to that future land use designation 02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:53.000 of community mixed use. 02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:57.520 This proposal would create a slightly isolated pocket of NR 02:00:57.520 --> 02:01:00.000 MU as it's presented tonight. 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:02.960 So the southern parcel that is being handled here would 02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:06.100 then have three zoning districts and that could create some 02:01:06.100 --> 02:01:09.000 incohesive development on the property, we felt. 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.960 So that was the reason for our initial recommendation of 02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:15.000 denial on this request, as was stated in your backup. 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:18.760 However, since this, we've communicated these concerns to 02:01:18.760 --> 02:01:22.710 the applicants and they have since submitted an additional 02:01:22.710 --> 02:01:25.640 application to rezone the portion outlined in yellow on the 02:01:25.640 --> 02:01:26.000 map. 02:01:26.000 --> 02:01:28.850 So the remainder of that NRMU parcel, they're also 02:01:28.850 --> 02:01:31.000 proposing to rezone to CMG as well. 02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:35.050 And that's a future case that will come before you all for 02:01:35.050 --> 02:01:38.000 consideration in the next few weeks. 02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:41.260 Just a comparison, CMG is very comparable to the existing 02:01:41.260 --> 02:01:44.670 NRMU district that encompasses the majority of the property 02:01:44.670 --> 02:01:45.000 . 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:48.800 Very comparable in terms of lot coverage, building height, 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:52.470 so the scale of development would be relatively consistent 02:01:52.470 --> 02:01:56.000 between what's permitted now and what would be permitted 02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:57.000 under CMG. 02:01:57.000 --> 02:02:00.000 Notifications were sent on this matter. 02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.840 We received two in favor and one in opposition that were 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:06.000 within a 200 foot radius of the subject property. 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:09.210 And given the new application that's been submitted that 02:02:09.210 --> 02:02:12.539 would allow for more cohesive development of a larger chunk 02:02:12.539 --> 02:02:15.000 of this property with the CMG designation, 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:17.590 as well as its consistency with the future land use 02:02:17.590 --> 02:02:20.420 designation for this area, staff is now recommending 02:02:20.420 --> 02:02:22.000 approval of this request. 02:02:22.000 --> 02:02:27.000 And I can stand for any questions at this time. 02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:34.000 Any questions for staff? 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:39.000 Commissioner Hussman. 02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:48.479 Earl, can you come down and give us the preview of the text 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:57.170 dot roads just so those that are going to come speak can 02:02:57.170 --> 02:03:02.000 have a frame of reference? 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:07.359 So text dot is currently working on widening Fort Worth 02:03:07.359 --> 02:03:14.079 Drive and along with a portion of FM 1830 all the way to 02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:16.000 the intersection with Hobson Road. 02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:24.060 And so I've taken a couple of areas here for you to look at 02:03:24.060 --> 02:03:25.000 here. 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:30.979 So this is the intersection 377 and FM 1830 and James 02:03:30.979 --> 02:03:32.000 Street. So they're aligning this intersection up. 02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:34.000 Currently, James Street does not line up with this 02:03:34.000 --> 02:03:35.000 intersection at all. 02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:38.000 And so this is going to be a signalized intersection. 02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:43.329 They're going to construct two dedicated right turn lanes 02:03:43.329 --> 02:03:47.000 from 1830 to northbound 377. 02:03:47.000 --> 02:03:56.739 And they're going to and as you head south on FM 1830, they 02:03:56.739 --> 02:04:03.279 're going to construct a dedicated left turn lane at the 02:04:03.279 --> 02:04:05.000 intersection of Hobson in 1830, 02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:10.000 dedicated right turn from 1830 to Hobson, one through lane. 02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:12.000 Could you could you blow that up? 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:13.000 Sure. 02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:20.000 Interpresentation mode. 02:04:20.000 --> 02:04:21.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:30.000 Yeah, I forgot about that. 02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:37.000 Hopefully that's better. 02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:40.729 And they're also going to widen Hobson by creating a 02:04:40.729 --> 02:04:43.000 dedicated right turn lane. 02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:45.069 Right now, there's only one lane to take to exit Hobson 02:04:45.069 --> 02:04:46.000 onto 1830. 02:04:46.000 --> 02:04:50.439 So that'll I mean, all these turn lanes should alleviate 02:04:50.439 --> 02:04:55.000 the congestion that's currently going on in this area. 02:04:55.000 --> 02:05:01.000 Okay. Thank you. 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:02.000 Commissioner Taylor. 02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:04.000 Thank you, Chair. 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:07.000 Let me get my questions back up. 02:05:07.000 --> 02:05:11.159 So my questions were more pertaining to the zoning and the 02:05:11.159 --> 02:05:14.000 size of the proposed zoning parcel. 02:05:14.000 --> 02:05:18.350 Could you bring back up the future land use map or the 02:05:18.350 --> 02:05:23.220 current or future zoning map either way, either one of 02:05:23.220 --> 02:05:24.000 those. 02:05:24.000 --> 02:05:29.329 So here we show a large area of community mixed use all 02:05:29.329 --> 02:05:31.000 along the highway. 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:34.329 And community mixed use is often large shopping centers, 02:05:34.329 --> 02:05:38.000 grocery stores with retail in front. 02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:42.779 Probably typically 10 or 20 acres in size or sometimes 02:05:42.779 --> 02:05:49.000 larger long strip centers, I believe is is I Kroger on 02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:52.000 University Drive that entire strip center, I believe is CMG 02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:53.000 . 02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:58.470 So I look at this and is that that looks like about a 10 02:05:58.470 --> 02:06:04.079 acre parcel and we're rezoning just like the end two acres 02:06:04.079 --> 02:06:05.000 of it. 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:08.640 I believe total what they've proposed for now is a little 02:06:08.640 --> 02:06:10.000 over four acres. 02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:12.399 And then the additional request would be for approximately 02:06:12.399 --> 02:06:13.000 two acres. 02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:16.000 So total total is six. 02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:26.000 So it's rare that I'm saying this is not enough commercial. 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:32.100 But I find myself kind of puzzling over such a small area 02:06:32.100 --> 02:06:35.000 of community mixed use. 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:38.060 You know, I would expect you would have gas stations and 02:06:38.060 --> 02:06:41.229 small retail on the front and then something some anchor in 02:06:41.229 --> 02:06:42.000 the back. 02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:47.020 And so I would expect this to go back, you know, another 02:06:47.020 --> 02:06:52.390 several hundred feet and then up the highway quarter mile 02:06:52.390 --> 02:06:55.000 or something like that. 02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:58.640 Is it feasible to to zone just four acres, three or four 02:06:58.640 --> 02:07:01.000 acres into community mixed use? 02:07:01.000 --> 02:07:06.590 It seems like it doesn't really seem like it supports the 02:07:06.590 --> 02:07:10.000 intent of the zoning district. 02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:13.640 Commissioner Taylor, I understand where you're coming from 02:07:13.640 --> 02:07:15.000 and it is right here. 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:18.579 You say that as it relates to the community mixed use 02:07:18.579 --> 02:07:20.000 district itself, 02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:24.050 it is typically found along major thoroughfares and 02:07:24.050 --> 02:07:29.340 corridors to enable a mix or plethora of mixed uses where 02:07:29.340 --> 02:07:31.000 you've got an anchor store, for example, 02:07:31.000 --> 02:07:36.039 with then junior anchors and associated like uses as you as 02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:38.000 you've indicated. 02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:41.000 However, in this instance, is it enough? 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:43.000 Should it be more? Should it be longer? Should it be wider? 02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:47.100 Again, a lot of the times when there is a zoning change 02:07:47.100 --> 02:07:48.000 request, 02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:51.199 it is from a specific applicant and is not a citywide 02:07:51.199 --> 02:07:56.060 initiative that is taken to to create this or this vision 02:07:56.060 --> 02:07:58.319 or realize the vision of the comprehensive plan, so to 02:07:58.319 --> 02:07:59.000 speak. 02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:01.590 Ideally, perhaps through court or visioning through a 02:08:01.590 --> 02:08:03.000 philosophical discussion. 02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:06.949 Now that could be achievable in the near future, but at 02:08:06.949 --> 02:08:09.670 this time, this is the impetus that we're hoping that would 02:08:09.670 --> 02:08:12.939 enable the creation of CMG districts in the future, 02:08:12.939 --> 02:08:18.000 especially along the frontage of the right of way. 02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:25.449 Another challenge in this because of the small size of this 02:08:25.449 --> 02:08:33.079 CMG parcel is how much frontage is on Highway 377? Is it 02:08:33.079 --> 02:08:34.000 maybe a couple hundred feet, 150 feet? 02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:40.850 Let me see if I can answer that for you. I believe it is 02:08:40.850 --> 02:08:44.000 several hundred feet. 02:08:44.000 --> 02:08:46.829 I bring that up because it is very close to that 02:08:46.829 --> 02:08:48.000 intersection. 02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:55.359 If this went another 500 feet up 377, you could have safer 02:08:55.359 --> 02:08:57.000 entrances and exits. 02:08:57.000 --> 02:09:00.000 You could design a more cohesive commercial development, 02:09:00.000 --> 02:09:06.220 but just having a driveway 100 feet from what's going to be 02:09:06.220 --> 02:09:08.000 two six-lane roads, 02:09:08.000 --> 02:09:12.539 that's going to be divided roads, so it'll be right in, 02:09:12.539 --> 02:09:15.000 right out only on the highway. 02:09:15.000 --> 02:09:22.250 And then a unique little entrance off of Country Club, and 02:09:22.250 --> 02:09:26.000 all of those could be alleviated if this was larger. 02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:28.000 Did you want the exact numbers for this parcel? 02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:29.000 Sure, that'd be great. Thank you. 02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:33.149 So their frontage is approximately 175 feet along Fort 02:09:33.149 --> 02:09:37.640 Worth Drive. It's approximately 310 feet on Country Club 02:09:37.640 --> 02:09:40.689 Road and then around 340 feet on Hobson for this current 02:09:40.689 --> 02:09:41.000 parcel. 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:43.239 The portion on Hobson would be extended with that 02:09:43.239 --> 02:09:44.000 additional. 02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:46.989 Would you use your cursor to reflect that for the benefit 02:09:46.989 --> 02:09:50.100 of the audience as well on those frontages, please, and 02:09:50.100 --> 02:09:51.000 repeat them? 02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:54.600 Yes, so 175 feet here along Fort Worth Drive. Actually, I 02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:57.000 think Ariel would serve that a little bit better. 02:09:57.000 --> 02:10:01.630 So here along Fort Worth Drive, 175 feet roughly, and then 02:10:01.630 --> 02:10:07.000 it's about 340 feet or 310 feet here on Country Club Road 02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:11.000 and then 340 feet in width here on Hobson. 02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:16.000 Thank you. Commissioner Ellis. 02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:17.000 Thank you, Chair. 02:10:17.000 --> 02:10:21.149 Okay, so as I understand this, leading to Commissioner 02:10:21.149 --> 02:10:25.350 Taylor's point about this being so small, staff had that 02:10:25.350 --> 02:10:29.270 same issue of it being so small in creating this little 02:10:29.270 --> 02:10:31.000 mini CMG district. 02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:32.000 Yes. 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:37.329 But now that the applicant, which is the same landowner to 02:10:37.329 --> 02:10:40.000 the property southwest of it. 02:10:40.000 --> 02:10:42.000 Yes, it is all. 02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:43.000 Right? The enter. 02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:44.000 Yeah. 02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:48.350 So they've put a request now to make that larger and make 02:10:48.350 --> 02:10:53.220 that whole district their CMG, which now allows you to want 02:10:53.220 --> 02:10:56.000 to say yes to this small parcel. 02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:58.000 Am I interpreting that correctly? 02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:03.000 Yes, our thinking is that with this entire, what it would 02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:07.039 eliminate this isolated zoning district of NRMU by rezoning 02:11:07.039 --> 02:11:11.000 the entire portion that was originally in red here. 02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:14.270 The second thought was with three zoning patterns on it, I 02:11:14.270 --> 02:11:17.869 believe this is, I can't remember, it's approximately 13 02:11:17.869 --> 02:11:20.000 acres total, this parcel here. 02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:25.000 It would be in cohesive development standards potentially 02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:30.000 with three zoning districts by at least encompassing all of 02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:33.000 the area that was formerly NRMU. 02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:36.539 It would allow more cohesive development because that 02:11:36.539 --> 02:11:40.369 larger, approximately six acres then would share the same 02:11:40.369 --> 02:11:42.000 zoning designation. 02:11:42.000 --> 02:11:46.350 So my concerns are I don't even know if CMG is appropriate 02:11:46.350 --> 02:11:50.619 for this particular piece of land or several parcels of 02:11:50.619 --> 02:11:54.699 land in this particular intersection, which is currently a 02:11:54.699 --> 02:11:58.000 nightmare and is going to be for quite some time. 02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:00.960 Because we don't exactly know when tech stuff is going to 02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:02.000 be their thing. 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:05.520 The other thing I'm having a hard time with is if we vote 02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:09.649 on this today, this small parcel, it kind of forces us to 02:12:09.649 --> 02:12:14.079 vote yes in two weeks or whenever we see this other parcel 02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:17.000 of land come before us for a rezone. 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:20.840 Which I'm uncomfortable with that whole thing, the way that 02:12:20.840 --> 02:12:23.000 whole thing is playing out. 02:12:23.000 --> 02:12:29.000 I'm very uncomfortable with that. 02:12:29.000 --> 02:12:32.000 >> Yeah, questions for staff. 02:12:32.000 --> 02:12:33.000 I'll ask one. 02:12:33.000 --> 02:12:37.369 Would you put the future zoning district back up as far as 02:12:37.369 --> 02:12:41.000 what is supposed to be community mixed use? 02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:43.369 What they're asking for CMG is compatible with that, 02:12:43.369 --> 02:12:44.000 correct? 02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:45.000 >> Yes. 02:12:45.000 --> 02:12:48.510 >> That's exactly what we have it planned for on our 2030 02:12:48.510 --> 02:12:49.000 plan. 02:12:49.000 --> 02:12:52.510 So they're not asking for anything above and beyond what we 02:12:52.510 --> 02:12:56.000 have already as a city designated that area to become. 02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:57.000 >> That's correct. 02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:01.630 >> And it's a matter of really, I guess in my opinion, is 02:13:01.630 --> 02:13:03.000 who's first. 02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:08.329 Versus a lot of times there's already zonings in place and 02:13:08.329 --> 02:13:12.000 now we're conforming to other zonings. 02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:18.000 This is essentially first piece of this particular part. 02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:23.239 There's CMG I think farther to the north, closer to 35, but 02:13:23.239 --> 02:13:27.430 all of this corridor is somewhat transitioning over the 02:13:27.430 --> 02:13:31.060 years from what's been a residential area to number of 02:13:31.060 --> 02:13:32.000 businesses being built there. 02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:34.819 I think little guys has built a new building there in the 02:13:34.819 --> 02:13:36.000 last couple years. 02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:38.550 I know there's another building under construction I think 02:13:38.550 --> 02:13:40.000 on the other side of 377. 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.210 So I think it's an area that's in transition in our city 02:13:43.210 --> 02:13:46.720 and going to be transitioning from residential to more of a 02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:48.000 commercial use. 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.760 And so when I look at this proposal, I understand 02:13:50.760 --> 02:13:53.899 Commissioner Taylor's a lot of times based on some of the 02:13:53.899 --> 02:13:57.020 other developments that have come before us with razor 02:13:57.020 --> 02:13:59.000 ranch and the larger tracks. 02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:03.500 This just may not be that large of a development, but 02:14:03.500 --> 02:14:08.739 because it is so many parcels versus it is a 50-acre tract 02:14:08.739 --> 02:14:14.529 or a 30-acre tract, it's residential areas that are going 02:14:14.529 --> 02:14:18.890 to be put together to make larger tracks and going to be 02:14:18.890 --> 02:14:21.000 transitioning to commercial. 02:14:21.000 --> 02:14:29.039 With that said, I particularly don't have an issue with it. 02:14:29.039 --> 02:14:30.970 I think since it conforms to our future zoning map, I have 02:14:30.970 --> 02:14:32.000 a tendency to support it. 02:14:32.000 --> 02:14:37.000 But I'm calling Commissioner Back as a comment as well. 02:14:37.000 --> 02:14:38.000 Thank you, Chair. 02:14:38.000 --> 02:14:44.100 Just to respond to Commissioner Ellis' concern about this 02:14:44.100 --> 02:14:49.939 being a problem if the road work doesn't come into play in 02:14:49.939 --> 02:14:52.000 a timely manner. 02:14:52.000 --> 02:14:57.880 Correct me if I'm wrong, staff, on this, but I believe we 02:14:57.880 --> 02:15:03.000 had a date certain of 2018. 02:15:03.000 --> 02:15:08.000 Is that correct? Earl, thank you. 02:15:08.000 --> 02:15:12.859 Earl, didn't we, when this, the road construction, it's in 02:15:12.859 --> 02:15:14.000 the works. 02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:16.590 This thing is going to be ready about the same time that 02:15:16.590 --> 02:15:19.369 this storefront wants to go up and everything. Is that 02:15:19.369 --> 02:15:20.000 correct? 02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:22.409 This area should be done within a 12-month period. They're 02:15:22.409 --> 02:15:25.369 currently relocating the utilities outside the right-of-way 02:15:25.369 --> 02:15:29.739 right now, and then the street work should begin sometime 02:15:29.739 --> 02:15:31.000 this summer. 02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:34.000 So it all should flow together pretty evenly. 02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:36.960 With the timing of the zoning case and then the, I don't 02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:40.319 know what other processes, the planning process, site plan 02:15:40.319 --> 02:15:43.810 process with this project, it should probably follow about 02:15:43.810 --> 02:15:45.000 the same time frame. 02:15:45.000 --> 02:15:52.000 Okay, thanks, sir. 02:15:52.000 --> 02:15:59.000 Any other questions for staff? 02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:05.000 Any questions? 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:11.000 Again, this is a public hearing. I have two cards. 02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:15.409 The first card I have requesting to speak is Jared Westmore 02:16:15.409 --> 02:16:24.000 land, if you'd come forward at this time. 02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:29.479 Hi, good evening all. I'm Jared Westmoreland. I represent C 02:16:29.479 --> 02:16:31.439 ST Brands, which is a spinoff from Corporate Valero down in 02:16:31.439 --> 02:16:32.000 San Antonio. 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:37.000 My address is 1818 Summit Avenue, Dallas, Texas. 02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:39.590 Here to really just address any additional questions you 02:16:39.590 --> 02:16:43.879 have. One question that was raised, Mr. Taylor, that I did 02:16:43.879 --> 02:16:46.000 want to address is that 02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:49.440 in TexDOT, we have met with TexDOT and formally submitted 02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:52.860 our curb cuts, and they have granted the approval of where 02:16:52.860 --> 02:16:56.040 the placement of the curb cut will go based on the 02:16:56.040 --> 02:16:58.000 schematic and our submittal of the site plan. 02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:03.329 So that has been reviewed, fully approved by TexDOT and 02:17:03.329 --> 02:17:07.000 conforms with their requirements. 02:17:07.000 --> 02:17:10.899 Any other additional questions from the audience or staff 02:17:10.899 --> 02:17:14.000 or the city? I'm certainly here to address those questions. 02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:16.000 Okay, got a question. Commissioner Beck. 02:17:16.000 --> 02:17:20.000 Just curious, how many pumps are there? 02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.000 There will be seven fueling stations. 02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:23.000 Okay, thanks. 02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:27.329 Yes, sir. And I have elevations as well that I'd like to 02:17:27.329 --> 02:17:30.000 pass around and just share with you. 02:17:44.000 --> 02:17:57.360 We'll get some of these up on the overhead so everyone can 02:17:57.360 --> 02:18:02.000 see what we have. 02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:41.000 Okay. 02:18:41.000 --> 02:18:47.000 Any other questions for the applicant? 02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:51.000 Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:53.000 We have one other card. 02:18:53.000 --> 02:18:57.659 Dick Smith, he does not wish to speak, but he is in support 02:18:57.659 --> 02:18:58.000 . 02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:04.100 Do not have -- please, the card I had said do not speak, 02:19:04.100 --> 02:19:06.000 you are more than welcome to speak. 02:19:11.000 --> 02:19:13.790 Please state your name and address and we have four minutes 02:19:13.790 --> 02:19:14.000 . 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:19.000 Dick Smith, 721 West Hobson, Denton. 02:19:19.000 --> 02:19:23.590 I'm a partner in the ownership of this property, including 02:19:23.590 --> 02:19:27.000 the 10 acres that you referred to adjacent to this piece. 02:19:27.000 --> 02:19:31.000 I also live across the street from this property. 02:19:31.000 --> 02:19:41.110 And my partner and I have been very restrictive. We've had 02:19:41.110 --> 02:19:41.840 an opportunity to develop this property several times over 02:19:41.840 --> 02:19:43.000 the last 10 years. 02:19:43.000 --> 02:19:46.149 And because I live across the street from it, I'm very 02:19:46.149 --> 02:19:49.000 interested in what is going to be built there. 02:19:49.000 --> 02:19:54.000 And we've turned down quite a few projects. 02:19:54.000 --> 02:20:01.350 Now, these -- the planned use for the far northwest corner 02:20:01.350 --> 02:20:05.000 of what is in question here, 02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:09.780 we were agreeable to selling one acre and they were buying 02:20:09.780 --> 02:20:14.629 another acre just north of it to accommodate what they need 02:20:14.629 --> 02:20:15.000 . 02:20:15.000 --> 02:20:18.780 We had the request over the last week to include the 02:20:18.780 --> 02:20:22.000 balance of that four acres, give or take, 02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:25.000 and include it in the CMG zoning. 02:20:25.000 --> 02:20:29.000 We had no -- we were ambivalent on that. 02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:32.000 And the city has asked us to do that. 02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:35.000 So we have agreed to include it in there. 02:20:35.000 --> 02:20:39.000 That's how that happened. 02:20:39.000 --> 02:20:42.870 There's a lot of uses for it other than a large -- I mean, 02:20:42.870 --> 02:20:46.000 for CMG zoning other than a large Kroger store. 02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:49.000 So I think we're in favor of this. 02:20:49.000 --> 02:20:50.000 I'll be living across the street from it. 02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:55.000 They've been very receptive to landscape zoning around -- 02:20:55.000 --> 02:20:58.000 or landscape screening around the store, 02:20:58.000 --> 02:21:03.489 as well as lighting restrictions that we have requested to 02:21:03.489 --> 02:21:06.000 keeping down lighting. 02:21:06.000 --> 02:21:10.000 We just have no issues with how this thing has come down. 02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:13.260 So I just wanted to let you know I'm living across the 02:21:13.260 --> 02:21:14.000 street. 02:21:14.000 --> 02:21:18.000 I'm in favor of it. 02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:21.000 Any questions? 02:21:21.000 --> 02:21:23.000 Thank you. 02:21:23.000 --> 02:21:25.000 Again, this is a public hearing. 02:21:25.000 --> 02:21:30.520 Anyone who would like to speak on this item, please come 02:21:30.520 --> 02:21:33.000 forward at this time. 02:21:33.000 --> 02:21:38.000 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. 02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:43.000 Open the floor for -- Commissioner Hudsbeth. 02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:45.590 I don't know if it's right to start the discussion with a 02:21:45.590 --> 02:21:47.000 motion, but -- 02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:49.000 You have the floor. 02:21:49.000 --> 02:21:56.000 I'm going to move approval of agenda item Z160029. 02:21:56.000 --> 02:21:57.000 Commissioner Back. 02:21:57.000 --> 02:21:59.000 Second. 02:21:59.000 --> 02:22:03.000 We have a first and a second for approval. 02:22:03.000 --> 02:22:06.000 Discussion. 02:22:06.000 --> 02:22:08.000 Commissioner Elvis. 02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:10.000 I'll just restate. 02:22:10.000 --> 02:22:13.000 I'm going to go ahead and vote no on this. 02:22:13.000 --> 02:22:16.649 I'm just not comfortable, again, with the way it all kind 02:22:16.649 --> 02:22:18.000 of came together. 02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:22.989 I'm not sure, like I said, I'm comfortable with CMG being 02:22:22.989 --> 02:22:26.000 where we're going to put it next to NR2. 02:22:26.000 --> 02:22:28.559 I'd be more comfortable if we were going the other 02:22:28.559 --> 02:22:30.000 direction up Fort Worth Drive, 02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:36.000 which seems more likely with this zoning, in my opinion. 02:22:36.000 --> 02:22:38.000 So I just can't support it. 02:22:38.000 --> 02:22:42.000 Sure. 02:22:42.000 --> 02:22:44.000 Commissioner Tyler. 02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:45.000 Thank you, Chair. 02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:52.040 As I've voiced several concerns about the overall zoning 02:22:52.040 --> 02:22:55.000 aspect or planning aspect of this, 02:22:55.000 --> 02:22:58.819 where this does feel like it's too small of a parcel, and 02:22:58.819 --> 02:23:03.000 the NRMU immediately to the east was concerning as well. 02:23:03.000 --> 02:23:07.329 But I guess we'll expect to see that in four weeks or so, 02:23:07.329 --> 02:23:09.000 four or six weeks. 02:23:09.000 --> 02:23:13.219 And I'm really torn because I don't think -- I think this 02:23:13.219 --> 02:23:16.000 would be appropriate development, 02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:20.540 and I think the zoning category will be appropriate as the 02:23:20.540 --> 02:23:23.000 rest of 377 rezones. 02:23:23.000 --> 02:23:27.000 I guess I'd say this is an imperfect start. 02:23:27.000 --> 02:23:29.590 I wish we could have had a better start, but I guess I will 02:23:29.590 --> 02:23:32.780 support it because it is the correct direction to move 02:23:32.780 --> 02:23:35.000 along 377. 02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:38.000 Okay. 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:42.000 Any other discussion? 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:44.000 Okay. 02:23:44.000 --> 02:23:54.000 Seeing none, I will call for a vote on the board. 02:23:54.000 --> 02:24:22.000 Motion carries to approve 4-1. 02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:24.000 Can I make the motion? 02:24:24.000 --> 02:24:28.000 Do I have a conflict? 02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:34.000 Okay. 02:24:34.000 --> 02:24:38.329 We have a housekeeping item, and we're going to be going 02:24:38.329 --> 02:24:40.000 back to item 4-A, 02:24:40.000 --> 02:24:43.760 and as such I'm going to step out with my same conflict and 02:24:43.760 --> 02:24:47.000 I'm going to let housekeeping get cleaned up. 02:24:47.000 --> 02:24:52.000 It's a motion to reopen. 02:24:52.000 --> 02:24:55.059 So I was just notified that we actually closed the public 02:24:55.059 --> 02:25:00.000 hearing on 4-A before taking the motion to postpone, 02:25:00.000 --> 02:25:03.790 and so we want to go ahead and seek a motion to reopen that 02:25:03.790 --> 02:25:10.770 public hearing so that it does not have to be re-noticed at 02:25:10.770 --> 02:25:13.000 a later time. 02:25:13.000 --> 02:25:18.040 So I apologize for my administrative faux pas, and I will 02:25:18.040 --> 02:25:23.000 consider -- Commissioner Hudspeth? 02:25:23.000 --> 02:25:36.000 I move we reopen agenda item FR -- 02:25:36.000 --> 02:25:44.000 FR160023, reopen that public -- 02:25:44.000 --> 02:25:46.000 And Commissioner Beck? 02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:48.000 Second. 02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:50.920 Just as a point of order, you want to reopen it and postp 02:25:50.920 --> 02:25:53.000 one it to the March 8th deadline? 02:25:53.000 --> 02:25:54.000 That's correct. 02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:55.000 Okay. 02:25:55.000 --> 02:25:57.000 And you're okay with that, Friendly? 02:25:57.000 --> 02:26:00.860 So we have a motion to reopen public hearing agenda item 4- 02:26:00.860 --> 02:26:04.000 A and postpone to a date certain of March 8th. 02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:06.000 We have a motion and a second. 02:26:06.000 --> 02:26:09.000 Any further discussion? 02:26:09.000 --> 02:26:26.000 Call for a vote on the board. 02:26:26.000 --> 02:26:27.000 Motion carries. 02:26:27.000 --> 02:26:29.000 4-0. 02:26:29.000 --> 02:26:44.000 Thank you. 02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:45.000 Thank you. 02:26:45.000 --> 02:26:47.629 It is 8.05, and I think we have a long item that we're 02:26:47.629 --> 02:26:49.000 getting ready to start on. 02:26:49.000 --> 02:26:52.870 I think it would be appropriate for us to take a five to 10 02:26:52.870 --> 02:26:54.000 -minute break, 02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:57.940 and let's try to get back as quick as we can and get 02:26:57.940 --> 02:26:59.000 started. 02:26:59.000 --> 02:27:15.000 So I'm going to call a recess at 8.05. 02:27:15.000 --> 02:27:17.000 Good evening and welcome back. 02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:22.000 I will call us back in session at 8.19. 02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:27.000 We are going to now open the public hearing for item C. 02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:34.809 It will be Z16-0023, and I will call on Julie Wyatt for 02:27:34.809 --> 02:27:37.000 presentation. 02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:38.000 Good evening. 02:27:38.000 --> 02:27:42.000 I'm Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton. 02:27:42.000 --> 02:27:44.360 The request before you or the location of the request 02:27:44.360 --> 02:27:46.000 before you is south of Scripture. 02:27:46.000 --> 02:27:48.000 It's between Normal and Bryan Street. 02:27:48.000 --> 02:27:52.000 It's north of the UNT campus. 02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:56.270 The request from the applicant is to rezone approximately 1 02:27:56.270 --> 02:28:01.000 .39 acres from DR2 to DCG district. 02:28:01.000 --> 02:28:06.959 They've expressed their intent to do this is to consolidate 02:28:06.959 --> 02:28:10.000 the zoning on the property. 02:28:10.000 --> 02:28:13.000 This request is three parcels. 02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:19.930 The largest of the three parcels actually has split zoning 02:28:19.930 --> 02:28:21.000 on it. 02:28:21.000 --> 02:28:25.000 It has a half DCG and half DR2. 02:28:25.000 --> 02:28:30.000 So they're requesting to consolidate that zoning to the DCG 02:28:30.000 --> 02:28:35.110 zoning district in order to develop the entire tract with a 02:28:35.110 --> 02:28:37.000 multifamily use. 02:28:37.000 --> 02:28:43.000 So I'm going to call on the applicant at this time. 02:28:43.000 --> 02:28:44.000 Okay. 02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:49.000 He's going to come up. 02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:51.000 Good evening. My name is Lee Allison. 02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:53.000 I'm with Allison Engineering Group. 02:28:53.000 --> 02:28:55.000 We office here in Denton, Texas. 02:28:55.000 --> 02:28:57.760 And this evening, because of some information that's come 02:28:57.760 --> 02:29:00.329 up that may be confusing, we would like to ask for a 02:29:00.329 --> 02:29:03.000 continuance until the next commission meeting. 02:29:03.000 --> 02:29:09.000 I believe that would be March the 8th of 2017. 02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:13.000 Okay. 02:29:13.000 --> 02:29:16.149 I might call on legal for clarification of how we would 02:29:16.149 --> 02:29:18.000 handle that appropriately. 02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:22.000 We can make a motion, but you have the opportunity. 02:29:22.000 --> 02:29:25.719 I know that you have plenty of people here that are wishing 02:29:25.719 --> 02:29:27.000 maybe to speak. 02:29:27.000 --> 02:29:31.049 If you want to hold your comments until any sort of postpon 02:29:31.049 --> 02:29:35.059 ement, then you can do so so that the entire commission 02:29:35.059 --> 02:29:37.270 would benefit from hearing them, or you can go ahead and 02:29:37.270 --> 02:29:38.000 speak now. 02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:41.209 And then we can do a subsequent motion after the public 02:29:41.209 --> 02:29:42.000 hearing. 02:29:42.000 --> 02:29:47.000 However, you want to handle that. 02:29:47.000 --> 02:29:52.000 Commissioner Tyler. 02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:53.000 Thank you. 02:29:53.000 --> 02:29:54.000 Let me start over. 02:29:54.000 --> 02:29:56.000 Thank you, Chair. 02:29:56.000 --> 02:30:01.239 Can I ask what information came to light that now requires 02:30:01.239 --> 02:30:03.000 a postponement? 02:30:03.000 --> 02:30:06.680 There seems to be some confusion regarding building heights 02:30:06.680 --> 02:30:10.709 and setbacks in residential areas, and we need some time to 02:30:10.709 --> 02:30:15.000 clarify that and make sure we understand it exactly. 02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:19.540 And we feel like that needs to be worked out before we have 02:30:19.540 --> 02:30:23.000 a full presentation to the commission. 02:30:23.000 --> 02:30:25.790 So do you feel that the -- so you have confusion about 02:30:25.790 --> 02:30:28.780 building heights, or you feel like the commission has 02:30:28.780 --> 02:30:31.000 confusion about building heights? 02:30:31.000 --> 02:30:34.280 I think everybody's got confusion about the building height 02:30:34.280 --> 02:30:36.870 right now, particularly with discussing it with staff later 02:30:36.870 --> 02:30:40.030 , and that needs to maybe have some exhibits and examples to 02:30:40.030 --> 02:30:41.000 clarify that. 02:30:41.000 --> 02:30:44.000 Okay. Thank you. 02:30:44.000 --> 02:30:47.000 Commissioner Hutchins. 02:30:47.000 --> 02:30:50.530 Just my personal preference, I would like to hear from 02:30:50.530 --> 02:30:54.260 those that are willing to speak just so that I can have an 02:30:54.260 --> 02:30:59.079 understanding of the neighborhood and concerns, thoughts, 02:30:59.079 --> 02:31:00.000 that type of thing. 02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:03.870 And also I think it's good for the applicant to -- I know 02:31:03.870 --> 02:31:08.379 you've had neighborhood meetings, but I think it would be 02:31:08.379 --> 02:31:11.870 good to kind of fine tune those things, get another chance 02:31:11.870 --> 02:31:13.000 to hear those things. 02:31:13.000 --> 02:31:16.860 So me personally, I would like to hear those thoughts, 02:31:16.860 --> 02:31:20.940 comments, so that I can better understand the issue from a 02:31:20.940 --> 02:31:23.000 different perspective. 02:31:23.000 --> 02:31:25.000 Okay. 02:31:25.000 --> 02:31:26.000 Okay. 02:31:26.000 --> 02:31:29.909 Just as a clarification, I think in the past when we've had 02:31:29.909 --> 02:31:33.440 to do a continuance of public hearings and we've had a 02:31:33.440 --> 02:31:36.969 large group come out, I want to give you the opportunity to 02:31:36.969 --> 02:31:38.000 speak tonight. 02:31:38.000 --> 02:31:41.159 And I think we have in the past, as this continues, to 02:31:41.159 --> 02:31:44.520 suspend the rule that if you speak, you don't get to speak 02:31:44.520 --> 02:31:46.000 at the next meeting. 02:31:46.000 --> 02:31:49.629 And so in this instance, we are going to continue that, 02:31:49.629 --> 02:31:52.000 that you can speak this evening. 02:31:52.000 --> 02:31:55.440 And when this item comes back before us on March the 8th, 02:31:55.440 --> 02:31:58.299 even if you have spoken tonight, you will have an 02:31:58.299 --> 02:32:01.000 opportunity to speak again at that time. 02:32:01.000 --> 02:32:04.000 So again, this is a public hearing. 02:32:04.000 --> 02:32:06.659 So if we do have people that would like to go ahead and 02:32:06.659 --> 02:32:10.000 speak tonight, we don't have all the commissioners here. 02:32:10.000 --> 02:32:12.000 You can certainly speak to the ones that are here. 02:32:12.000 --> 02:32:15.059 And then you can come back if you would like to on the 8th, 02:32:15.059 --> 02:32:17.899 when hopefully we have a full commission and make your 02:32:17.899 --> 02:32:19.000 points again. 02:32:19.000 --> 02:32:24.719 So I'm going to -- I have a large stack of cards, a lot of 02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:26.000 emails. 02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:28.000 And so I do want to open this up. 02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:29.000 It is a public hearing. 02:32:29.000 --> 02:32:32.500 So if you would like to speak this evening, please come 02:32:32.500 --> 02:32:34.000 forward and do that. 02:32:34.000 --> 02:32:35.000 It's first come, first served. 02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:38.200 So whoever would like to do that this evening, please come 02:32:38.200 --> 02:32:39.000 to the mic. 02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:41.000 And then -- okay. 02:32:41.000 --> 02:32:44.540 >> If I could just -- if I could ask staff just briefly, we 02:32:44.540 --> 02:32:48.329 would keep this public hearing open so that it wouldn't 02:32:48.329 --> 02:32:51.000 have to be republished, correct? 02:32:51.000 --> 02:32:52.000 >> That is correct. 02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:53.000 >> Okay. 02:32:53.000 --> 02:32:55.909 So then we should probably do the motion and then go ahead 02:32:55.909 --> 02:32:58.000 and hear testimony from the public. 02:32:58.000 --> 02:32:59.000 Okay. 02:32:59.000 --> 02:33:01.000 So I think the motion would be better at this time. 02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:05.000 >> Give us just a second to do things in appropriate steps. 02:33:05.000 --> 02:33:07.000 Commissioner Hussman. 02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:12.969 >> I move we postpone this agenda item Z160023 to a date 02:33:12.969 --> 02:33:15.000 certain March 8. 02:33:15.000 --> 02:33:16.000 >> Okay. 02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:17.000 Continue. 02:33:17.000 --> 02:33:24.000 >> And continue the open discussion. 02:33:24.000 --> 02:33:25.000 I'm sure I'm dragging -- 02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:26.000 >> To the public hearing. 02:33:26.000 --> 02:33:27.000 >> There you go. 02:33:27.000 --> 02:33:29.000 >> I'm sure the public hearing to that point as well. 02:33:29.000 --> 02:33:30.000 >> Okay. 02:33:30.000 --> 02:33:35.000 So we're going to -- motion B to continue to March the 8th. 02:33:35.000 --> 02:33:36.000 Commissioner Beck. 02:33:36.000 --> 02:33:37.000 >> Second. 02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:38.000 >> Okay. 02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:39.000 We have a first and a second. 02:33:39.000 --> 02:33:45.000 Any discussion? 02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:48.030 Seeing none, we will call for a vote on the board to 02:33:48.030 --> 02:33:50.000 continue to March the 8th. 02:33:57.000 --> 02:34:07.000 Motion carries five to zero. 02:34:07.000 --> 02:34:09.000 This is still a public hearing. 02:34:09.000 --> 02:34:10.000 We are continued. 02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:17.290 So anyone that would like to speak, please come forward at 02:34:17.290 --> 02:34:19.000 this time. 02:34:19.000 --> 02:34:20.000 >> Thank you. 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:21.000 My name is Paul Meltzer. 02:34:21.000 --> 02:34:26.000 I live at 1914 West Oak Street. 02:34:26.000 --> 02:34:29.000 I'm a public health officer. 02:34:29.000 --> 02:34:33.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:34:33.000 --> 02:34:37.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:41.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:34:41.000 --> 02:34:44.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:34:44.000 --> 02:34:48.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:51.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:34:51.000 --> 02:34:54.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 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02:36:42.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:36:42.000 --> 02:36:45.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:36:45.000 --> 02:36:48.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:36:48.000 --> 02:36:51.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:36:51.000 --> 02:36:54.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:36:54.000 --> 02:36:57.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:36:57.000 --> 02:37:00.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:37:00.000 --> 02:37:03.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:06.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:37:06.000 --> 02:37:09.000 I work at the Department of Health and Human Services. 02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:12.000 I spent the night with Simon, my seven-year-old son, 02:37:12.000 --> 02:37:14.000 who has done a fantastic job, 02:37:14.000 --> 02:37:17.000 because it's that important to me to spend his whole night 02:37:17.000 --> 02:37:19.000 sitting here in council chambers, 02:37:19.000 --> 02:37:21.000 because this neighborhood matters to me. 02:37:21.000 --> 02:37:24.000 I want to first of all thank you all for what you do, 02:37:24.000 --> 02:37:27.000 and I know that you read through lots of paperwork 02:37:27.000 --> 02:37:29.000 and do lots of deep thinking, 02:37:29.000 --> 02:37:32.000 and that you have a very deep knowledge of what goes on in 02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:32.000 Denton 02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:34.000 and what's permissible and what isn't. 02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:38.000 And so I would remind you of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan 02:37:38.000 --> 02:37:41.000 document for our city development. 02:37:41.000 --> 02:37:43.000 I know some of the people who are in front of me now 02:37:43.000 --> 02:37:46.000 have served on that committee. 02:37:46.000 --> 02:37:49.000 I was on that committee, in fact, and I'm going to read to 02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:49.000 you 02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:51.000 what it says for Neighborhood University 02:37:51.000 --> 02:37:54.000 Compatibility Area Development Criteria. 02:37:54.000 --> 02:38:00.000 This is, by the way, Goal LU-6, Grow with Balance, 02:38:00.000 --> 02:38:04.000 Establish Land Use Designation that Responds to the Growing 02:38:04.000 --> 02:38:04.000 Needs 02:38:04.000 --> 02:38:07.000 and Character Specifications of the Denton Community. 02:38:07.000 --> 02:38:09.000 And the very first statement says, 02:38:09.000 --> 02:38:11.000 "The Neighborhood University compatibility area 02:38:11.000 --> 02:38:16.000 should provide a gradual transition in scale, use, 02:38:16.000 --> 02:38:19.000 character, and intensity between the universities 02:38:19.000 --> 02:38:21.000 and the surrounding neighborhoods." 02:38:21.000 --> 02:38:25.000 So there will be other people who will speak eloquently, 02:38:25.000 --> 02:38:28.000 more eloquently than I. 02:38:28.000 --> 02:38:30.000 I wouldn't be here, though, and none of us would, 02:38:30.000 --> 02:38:32.000 if the developers were willing to follow 02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:33.000 what the existing zoning was. 02:38:33.000 --> 02:38:35.000 Now, I don't personally agree with the existing zoning. 02:38:35.000 --> 02:38:37.000 I think it's vestigial to what was there 02:38:37.000 --> 02:38:39.000 when the Flow Hospital was there 02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:41.000 and that the neighborhood character has changed. 02:38:41.000 --> 02:38:45.000 But we have serious questions about parking, 02:38:45.000 --> 02:38:48.000 which is already taxing our neighborhood greatly, 02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:51.000 storm drainage, and what's to do with the water. 02:38:51.000 --> 02:38:55.000 The people who live north of this development 02:38:55.000 --> 02:38:58.000 already have serious storm drainage problems. 02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:01.000 But most importantly, I'm concerned about maintaining 02:39:01.000 --> 02:39:03.000 historic character in the infill. 02:39:03.000 --> 02:39:06.000 Compatible with our existing neighborhoods, 02:39:06.000 --> 02:39:09.000 and I'm asking you, when you come to your decision 02:39:09.000 --> 02:39:11.000 to make sure that it is something that is careful, 02:39:11.000 --> 02:39:15.000 conscientious redevelopment, in the neighborhood meetings, 02:39:15.000 --> 02:39:17.000 nobody said, "No, let's leave this 02:39:17.000 --> 02:39:20.000 as an abandoned mental hospital facility." 02:39:20.000 --> 02:39:22.000 We want to see it redeveloped, 02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:24.000 but we want to see it developed in a way 02:39:24.000 --> 02:39:28.000 that is going to maintain our values as single homeowners, 02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:30.000 as single-family homeowners. 02:39:30.000 --> 02:39:32.000 We want to see it so that the retail that goes in 02:39:32.000 --> 02:39:35.000 is useful to us in the neighborhood 02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:37.000 and to the students who live there, 02:39:37.000 --> 02:39:40.000 because we all choose to live in this neighborhood 02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:43.000 because of the different varieties of things it provides. 02:39:43.000 --> 02:39:45.000 My son can ride his bicycle 02:39:45.000 --> 02:39:47.000 to the Howdy Doody to buy a candy bar. 02:39:47.000 --> 02:39:49.000 He will never have to cross a busy street 02:39:49.000 --> 02:39:52.000 to get to Denton High School or Calhoun Middle School. 02:39:52.000 --> 02:39:55.000 And I love where I live, and I'm standing here tonight 02:39:55.000 --> 02:39:57.000 to defend its historic character 02:39:57.000 --> 02:40:01.000 and its ability to have a happy family life 02:40:01.000 --> 02:40:05.000 that also works with students and small businesses. 02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:06.000 Thank you. 02:40:06.000 --> 02:40:08.000 -Okay, thank you. -Thank you. 02:40:08.000 --> 02:40:10.000 Anyone? 02:40:10.000 --> 02:40:12.000 -Thank you. -I'll be back. 02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:14.000 [ Indistinct conversations ] 02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:17.000 Hi. My name's Craig Clifton, and I wanted to thank you all. 02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:19.000 It's very gracious to allow us to speak now 02:40:19.000 --> 02:40:21.000 and then also in the future, 02:40:21.000 --> 02:40:23.000 so I'll just bring up one point or two and keep it brief. 02:40:23.000 --> 02:40:25.000 Can you give us your address, please? 02:40:25.000 --> 02:40:27.000 -How about your partner? -Need your address, please. 02:40:27.000 --> 02:40:32.000 We were moving 720 Hector, 02:40:32.000 --> 02:40:34.000 but we were moving back over to Normal Street 02:40:34.000 --> 02:40:36.000 where we've had property for 50 years. 02:40:36.000 --> 02:40:38.000 -Thank you. -And that was 407 Normal, 02:40:38.000 --> 02:40:40.000 and we found out about what they were building. 02:40:40.000 --> 02:40:43.000 Now, for 50 years, we've had property there 02:40:43.000 --> 02:40:45.000 and lived off there off and on. 02:40:45.000 --> 02:40:48.000 And so we were there where this rezoning took place, 02:40:48.000 --> 02:40:50.000 and it was explained to us -- 02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:55.000 this was for a medical building with Flow Hospital. 02:40:55.000 --> 02:41:01.000 It was certainly not an SRO and not an apartment. 02:41:01.000 --> 02:41:03.000 There wouldn't be any parking problems. 02:41:03.000 --> 02:41:05.000 No one would be there after 5 o'clock, 02:41:05.000 --> 02:41:07.000 and that's how it was presented to us. 02:41:07.000 --> 02:41:10.000 So we think it's -- they found a loophole 02:41:10.000 --> 02:41:14.000 in that when they presented that to us for the rezoning, 02:41:14.000 --> 02:41:16.000 we were voting for that. 02:41:16.000 --> 02:41:18.780 We weren't voting for this, and this certainly wouldn't be 02:41:18.780 --> 02:41:19.000 okay. 02:41:19.000 --> 02:41:23.329 It's not a like-kind development in our neighborhood, our 02:41:23.329 --> 02:41:24.000 street, 02:41:24.000 --> 02:41:26.000 which I'm sure you all have been down, 02:41:26.000 --> 02:41:30.000 is one or two stories apartments or rent houses. 02:41:30.000 --> 02:41:33.000 And when they build this four-to-five story, 02:41:33.000 --> 02:41:36.350 they're going to more than triple the population of our 02:41:36.350 --> 02:41:37.000 street. 02:41:37.000 --> 02:41:40.000 And our street's just one block long, 02:41:40.000 --> 02:41:43.760 and it's just a residential area street just like Bryan 02:41:43.760 --> 02:41:45.000 Street. 02:41:45.000 --> 02:41:47.760 The traffic and the parking for all their friends will be 02:41:47.760 --> 02:41:49.000 coming by. 02:41:49.000 --> 02:41:51.000 We can't withhold that, 02:41:51.000 --> 02:41:56.329 and there isn't going to be any room on that street for 02:41:56.329 --> 02:41:57.000 anything 02:41:57.000 --> 02:41:59.000 once they build this. 02:41:59.000 --> 02:42:02.000 It isn't congruent to the neighborhood. 02:42:02.000 --> 02:42:04.590 Why they're allowing this to go into a residential 02:42:04.590 --> 02:42:05.000 neighborhood 02:42:05.000 --> 02:42:08.000 is because they found this zoning loophole. 02:42:08.000 --> 02:42:11.000 So when he's talking about redoing the laws, specifically, 02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:13.000 let's look at this one zoning. 02:42:13.000 --> 02:42:15.760 When we allowed it to go through, we thought it was one 02:42:15.760 --> 02:42:16.000 thing, 02:42:16.000 --> 02:42:18.000 and now it's double-backed on us. 02:42:18.000 --> 02:42:21.329 These things are fine where they're built out by the 02:42:21.329 --> 02:42:22.000 highways, 02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:24.000 where there's no problem with their friends coming by, 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:28.000 which would be literally, you know, let's say these kids 02:42:28.000 --> 02:42:30.000 are the most studious kids in the world, 02:42:30.000 --> 02:42:35.000 and they don't have one friend come by four days a week. 02:42:35.000 --> 02:42:37.000 But on those three other days, they'll have friends come by 02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:37.000 , 02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:39.000 and let's say they're the most antisocial, 02:42:39.000 --> 02:42:42.000 and they only have one friend come by those three days. 02:42:42.000 --> 02:42:47.000 And they see their girlfriend one day a week, okay? 02:42:47.000 --> 02:42:52.000 That's 2,500 people driving around these one-block streets 02:42:52.000 --> 02:42:55.649 without parking, and we know it's going to be a lot more 02:42:55.649 --> 02:42:56.000 people 02:42:56.000 --> 02:42:58.000 than that coming to visit. 02:42:58.000 --> 02:43:04.000 So this 150 feet, it's going to be blocks in every area 02:43:04.000 --> 02:43:06.000 where all these people are going to be parking, 02:43:06.000 --> 02:43:08.000 and day and night. 02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:11.000 And right now we have people filling up our parking lots, 02:43:11.000 --> 02:43:14.000 just go down to City Park. 02:43:17.000 --> 02:43:18.000 This is unattainable. 02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:21.000 I don't know how it's ever gotten this far 02:43:21.000 --> 02:43:22.940 that they think they can build this in a residential 02:43:22.940 --> 02:43:24.000 neighborhood. 02:43:24.000 --> 02:43:26.000 I'm not against these being built 02:43:26.000 --> 02:43:30.090 where they're not going to destroy everything on that city 02:43:30.090 --> 02:43:31.000 block. 02:43:31.000 --> 02:43:33.000 Thank you. 02:43:35.000 --> 02:43:37.000 Commissioner Batt. 02:43:37.000 --> 02:43:38.000 Thank you, Chair. 02:43:38.000 --> 02:43:39.000 Thank you, Mr. Clifton. 02:43:39.000 --> 02:43:41.000 I appreciate your presentation. 02:43:41.000 --> 02:43:44.000 You said you were around, and I guess it was 2002 02:43:44.000 --> 02:43:46.000 when they made the zoning change. 02:43:46.000 --> 02:43:47.000 Right. 02:43:47.000 --> 02:43:49.000 We were living once again over their own normal street. 02:43:49.000 --> 02:43:53.270 Were you aware at that time that DCG allowed 100-foot tall 02:43:53.270 --> 02:43:54.000 stories? 02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:57.190 We were told when we asked about this, we called the city 02:43:57.190 --> 02:43:58.000 council. 02:43:58.000 --> 02:44:01.000 They said that they wanted to build a building 02:44:01.000 --> 02:44:04.000 that would be congruent to, like, Flow Hospital, 02:44:04.000 --> 02:44:06.000 three stories, something like that. 02:44:06.000 --> 02:44:09.000 But they said that it wouldn't be a hospital. 02:44:09.000 --> 02:44:11.000 It wouldn't be a day and night thing. 02:44:11.000 --> 02:44:13.000 It would just be, like, for clinics, 02:44:13.000 --> 02:44:16.000 it's next door there now where they used to do lab work, 02:44:16.000 --> 02:44:20.000 and then offices, like doctor's offices and so forth, 02:44:20.000 --> 02:44:23.000 that they didn't have room for over at the hospital. 02:44:23.000 --> 02:44:26.000 So no one conveyed to you, as far as you can remember, 02:44:26.000 --> 02:44:29.000 that other usages here could include? 02:44:29.000 --> 02:44:30.000 No, not at all. 02:44:30.000 --> 02:44:31.000 Okay. 02:44:31.000 --> 02:44:33.000 That's why, you know, we were moving back over normal. 02:44:33.000 --> 02:44:36.000 I mean, we want something done with that property. 02:44:36.000 --> 02:44:39.870 And since 2000, all the apartments have been built there 02:44:39.870 --> 02:44:41.000 are all two stories. 02:44:41.000 --> 02:44:45.450 And at the most, population of extra 50 people on the 02:44:45.450 --> 02:44:46.000 street, 02:44:46.000 --> 02:44:50.000 maybe 75, something like that, in each of these apartments. 02:44:50.000 --> 02:44:52.000 And, you know, we're all for that. 02:44:52.000 --> 02:44:55.610 I mean, nobody wants that vacant rest home or whatever is 02:44:55.610 --> 02:44:57.000 there, you know. 02:44:57.000 --> 02:44:59.000 But it needs to be two stories. 02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:02.500 It needs to be the same population as everyone else on the 02:45:02.500 --> 02:45:03.000 street. 02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:08.329 Because there's not going to be any businesses left on that 02:45:08.329 --> 02:45:09.000 street. 02:45:09.000 --> 02:45:11.000 Nobody's going to want to live there. 02:45:11.000 --> 02:45:13.479 First off, when they built these other apartments here in 02:45:13.479 --> 02:45:15.000 the 21st century, 02:45:15.000 --> 02:45:17.239 we were there, one of them was right behind one of my 02:45:17.239 --> 02:45:18.000 properties. 02:45:18.000 --> 02:45:20.000 It took them two months to do. 02:45:20.000 --> 02:45:23.500 This is going to take two years, two and a half years, they 02:45:23.500 --> 02:45:25.000 first said. 02:45:25.000 --> 02:45:27.409 And then once they came back with even more property 02:45:27.409 --> 02:45:28.000 involved, 02:45:28.000 --> 02:45:30.000 they realized, oh, well, that sounded bad. 02:45:30.000 --> 02:45:33.000 It's only going to take a year and five months now. 02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:35.250 But how real long it takes like that, nobody's going to 02:45:35.250 --> 02:45:36.000 live on there. 02:45:36.000 --> 02:45:38.000 And it's going to be -- the traffic now is pretty bad. 02:45:38.000 --> 02:45:41.860 I'd like everybody to come over to that area, take a look 02:45:41.860 --> 02:45:43.000 where this is going to be. 02:45:43.000 --> 02:45:46.000 See, this is one of the oldest streets in Denton. 02:45:46.000 --> 02:45:50.260 This is Normal Street when North Texas used to be Normal 02:45:50.260 --> 02:45:52.000 Teachers College, okay. 02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:55.000 And this is where all the teachers lived on this street. 02:45:55.000 --> 02:45:58.149 And so this is one of the oldest, you know, apartment and 02:45:58.149 --> 02:46:00.000 residential streets in Denton. 02:46:00.000 --> 02:46:02.590 When he's talking about historical streets, this is that 02:46:02.590 --> 02:46:03.000 area. 02:46:03.000 --> 02:46:06.000 North Texas can build their own housing. 02:46:06.000 --> 02:46:07.000 They don't pay any taxes. 02:46:07.000 --> 02:46:09.000 They can afford it. 02:46:09.000 --> 02:46:10.000 Why? 02:46:10.000 --> 02:46:12.000 Why, we need to pick up that slack. 02:46:12.000 --> 02:46:14.479 When we've been doing it all these years, when we've been 02:46:14.479 --> 02:46:17.000 paying all these taxes to be protected 02:46:17.000 --> 02:46:20.000 from people like this who just drop in and blow us out, 02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:26.010 haven't lived in this city one day, all right, paid taxes 02:46:26.010 --> 02:46:27.000 one day. 02:46:27.000 --> 02:46:30.250 I mean, we lived here all along and we never saw this 02:46:30.250 --> 02:46:31.000 coming. 02:46:31.000 --> 02:46:34.120 No one ever told us, you know, that that would be something 02:46:34.120 --> 02:46:36.000 that could be put in over there. 02:46:36.000 --> 02:46:39.870 You know, they just said that think about Flow Hospital, 02:46:39.870 --> 02:46:43.209 but think about we need spaces for other doctors and 02:46:43.209 --> 02:46:44.000 services. 02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:45.000 We don't have it, Flow. 02:46:45.000 --> 02:46:46.000 Got it. 02:46:46.000 --> 02:46:47.000 Thank you, sir. 02:46:47.000 --> 02:46:57.000 Thank you very much. 02:46:57.000 --> 02:46:57.000 Hi. 02:46:57.000 --> 02:46:59.000 Thanks, y'all, for staying so late. 02:46:59.000 --> 02:47:00.000 I don't know why we're always last. 02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:02.000 Mary Anderson, 924 West Oak. 02:47:02.000 --> 02:47:04.780 I'm beginning to get very familiar with you guys, or at 02:47:04.780 --> 02:47:06.000 least City Council. 02:47:06.000 --> 02:47:12.000 But, you know, I want to protest the notice for this. 02:47:12.000 --> 02:47:13.000 The notice did appear in the paper. 02:47:13.000 --> 02:47:15.239 Thank goodness I read the paper, even the back, because 02:47:15.239 --> 02:47:17.000 there's not much in the paper these days. 02:47:17.000 --> 02:47:19.590 But the notice was planted on normal, so far down on the 02:47:19.590 --> 02:47:22.520 property line that nobody on Scripture, which I drive by 02:47:22.520 --> 02:47:24.000 quite a lot, could see. 02:47:24.000 --> 02:47:28.000 So nobody was going to show up because it wasn't obvious. 02:47:28.000 --> 02:47:30.350 They're rezoning all of it, so why isn't it obvious to me 02:47:30.350 --> 02:47:32.000 that I could see this on the street? 02:47:32.000 --> 02:47:33.000 Bad. 02:47:33.000 --> 02:47:35.000 We really don't need more apartments. 02:47:35.000 --> 02:47:37.000 Certainly not in my neighborhood. 02:47:37.000 --> 02:47:39.000 There are vacant apartments everywhere. 02:47:39.000 --> 02:47:40.000 They just don't advertise them. 02:47:40.000 --> 02:47:42.250 There are -- I drive around at this time of year when the 02:47:42.250 --> 02:47:44.000 students have given up this semester. 02:47:44.000 --> 02:47:45.000 You know, they've gone away. 02:47:45.000 --> 02:47:46.000 I teach. 02:47:46.000 --> 02:47:47.000 They drop classes. 02:47:47.000 --> 02:47:48.000 They leave. 02:47:48.000 --> 02:47:49.000 The moving vans are going. 02:47:49.000 --> 02:47:51.000 There are plenty of empty apartments. 02:47:51.000 --> 02:47:53.000 We just want to see whose pockets get filled first. 02:47:53.000 --> 02:47:55.030 They're going to have somebody take the money and run out 02:47:55.030 --> 02:47:56.000 of state, out of town. 02:47:56.000 --> 02:47:58.000 They're not going to leave the money here. 02:47:58.000 --> 02:48:00.000 They'll employ, you know, a manager. 02:48:00.000 --> 02:48:01.000 That's about it. 02:48:01.000 --> 02:48:04.290 UNT is building apartments, I think, west of here, so there 02:48:04.290 --> 02:48:06.000 's not really any more need. 02:48:06.000 --> 02:48:09.000 And with online learning, there is no mass transit there. 02:48:09.000 --> 02:48:10.000 There is no decent streets. 02:48:10.000 --> 02:48:12.590 Where are we going to get all this infrastructure that we 02:48:12.590 --> 02:48:13.000 need? 02:48:13.000 --> 02:48:14.000 I live downhill. 02:48:14.000 --> 02:48:17.000 I'm going to get flooded, like the lady on Egan said. 02:48:17.000 --> 02:48:20.000 There just isn't any place to park. 02:48:20.000 --> 02:48:21.000 There's no mass transit. 02:48:21.000 --> 02:48:24.000 You know, development is great, just not here. 02:48:24.000 --> 02:48:27.000 We don't need the development in this location. 02:48:27.000 --> 02:48:29.430 And besides, once you get that one approved, they're just 02:48:29.430 --> 02:48:31.000 going to go over and do it again 02:48:31.000 --> 02:48:33.979 because we're going to get EDR back, and they're going to 02:48:33.979 --> 02:48:35.000 want to put another SRO. 02:48:35.000 --> 02:48:37.090 And when these buildings get old and tired, they'll turn 02:48:37.090 --> 02:48:39.000 transient because the trend will go away, 02:48:39.000 --> 02:48:41.000 and families are never going to want to live in SROs. 02:48:41.000 --> 02:48:42.000 That's horrid. 02:48:42.000 --> 02:48:44.559 I wouldn't want my children to live with, you know, serial 02:48:44.559 --> 02:48:46.000 killers next door in the same apartment. 02:48:46.000 --> 02:48:48.000 You never know. 02:48:48.000 --> 02:48:49.809 They're taking the money and running, and there's no 02:48:49.809 --> 02:48:51.000 benefit to the neighborhood. 02:48:51.000 --> 02:48:52.000 Where's the benefit? 02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:54.000 We're going to have to have more services. 02:48:54.000 --> 02:48:56.000 Where's the benefit for us? 02:48:56.000 --> 02:48:58.000 I don't see any benefit. 02:48:58.000 --> 02:49:00.000 It's not respectful of the neighborhood. 02:49:00.000 --> 02:49:02.030 It's just somebody trying to make a quick killing in my 02:49:02.030 --> 02:49:03.000 neighborhood again. 02:49:03.000 --> 02:49:05.590 And the apartments on Oak across from where EDR wants to 02:49:05.590 --> 02:49:06.000 build, 02:49:06.000 --> 02:49:08.000 funny, those apartments are almost all vacant. 02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:10.000 What do you think is happening next? 02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:12.200 A few more carpetbaggers are going to come in on Oak and do 02:49:12.200 --> 02:49:13.000 more of the same thing, 02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:14.000 take the money and run. 02:49:14.000 --> 02:49:16.000 So really keep this in mind. 02:49:16.000 --> 02:49:18.309 The intent is worth the paper it was written on that Mr. Cl 02:49:18.309 --> 02:49:19.000 ifton said. 02:49:19.000 --> 02:49:20.000 There was no paper. 02:49:20.000 --> 02:49:23.000 They promised something, and you know what happens? 02:49:23.000 --> 02:49:24.000 It's worth the paper. 02:49:24.000 --> 02:49:25.000 It was written on nothing. 02:49:25.000 --> 02:49:28.000 So please, you know, show us a little respect. 02:49:28.000 --> 02:49:30.000 We are tired of staying here late, too. 02:49:30.000 --> 02:49:32.559 You know, send a message to the developers, enough is 02:49:32.559 --> 02:49:33.000 enough. 02:49:33.000 --> 02:49:36.129 You know, make it within the neighborhood restrictions, and 02:49:36.129 --> 02:49:37.000 keep it respectful. 02:49:37.000 --> 02:49:41.350 We can't afford all this nasty parking traffic and people 02:49:41.350 --> 02:49:42.000 getting run over. 02:49:42.000 --> 02:49:44.000 You know, it's going to happen. 02:49:44.000 --> 02:49:45.000 Thank you. 02:49:45.000 --> 02:49:46.000 A question for you. 02:49:46.000 --> 02:49:49.340 You made a comment that you didn't think the notice was 02:49:49.340 --> 02:49:50.000 well done, 02:49:50.000 --> 02:49:52.370 and I think the reason maybe the notice wasn't on the 02:49:52.370 --> 02:49:53.000 scriptures 02:49:53.000 --> 02:49:55.000 is because that's already zoned. 02:49:55.000 --> 02:49:57.559 The rezoning is for the property that's farther down on 02:49:57.559 --> 02:49:58.000 normal. 02:49:58.000 --> 02:49:59.799 But they're going to put it together, so is that out of 02:49:59.799 --> 02:50:01.000 replatting, too? 02:50:01.000 --> 02:50:03.790 Well, right now we have a zoning before us, and so it's a 02:50:03.790 --> 02:50:05.000 zoning notice. 02:50:05.000 --> 02:50:07.000 The plat shows all of it. 02:50:07.000 --> 02:50:09.000 Well, you made a statement, and I was trying to help 02:50:09.000 --> 02:50:11.680 and address your question about the notice that you brought 02:50:11.680 --> 02:50:12.000 up. 02:50:12.000 --> 02:50:16.000 And so the notice was posted where the zoning change is not 02:50:16.000 --> 02:50:16.000 on a piece of property 02:50:16.000 --> 02:50:19.000 that is not being rezoned because what's before us tonight 02:50:19.000 --> 02:50:20.000 is rezoning. 02:50:20.000 --> 02:50:23.629 So they have put the notice on the property that's being 02:50:23.629 --> 02:50:25.000 requested to be rezoned. 02:50:25.000 --> 02:50:27.000 As far away from scripture as humanly possible. 02:50:27.000 --> 02:50:28.459 Just letting you know, that's why it wasn't on the 02:50:28.459 --> 02:50:29.000 scriptures. 02:50:29.000 --> 02:50:31.000 I got to be as far away as humanly possible, 02:50:31.000 --> 02:50:33.000 because I drove there just before I came here. 02:50:33.000 --> 02:50:35.000 Because I never saw it, and I drive by all the time. 02:50:35.000 --> 02:50:37.000 Just responding to your point. 02:50:37.000 --> 02:50:39.000 I appreciate that, at least the explanation of why. 02:50:39.000 --> 02:50:41.000 I see now very carefully here, yeah. 02:50:41.000 --> 02:50:43.000 Any other questions? 02:50:43.000 --> 02:50:45.000 Thank you. 02:50:45.000 --> 02:50:47.000 Thank you so much. 02:50:52.000 --> 02:50:54.000 Hi, I'm Patrice Lyke. 02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:56.000 I live in 1109 Egan. 02:50:56.000 --> 02:50:58.639 And the first thing I wanted to do was to address 02:50:58.639 --> 02:51:00.000 Commissioner Beck. 02:51:00.000 --> 02:51:05.329 You asked Mr. Clifton about the 2002 zoning and any public 02:51:05.329 --> 02:51:06.000 hearings, 02:51:06.000 --> 02:51:08.000 and did he know what was going to happen there? 02:51:08.000 --> 02:51:11.010 And I just wanted to say that I've lived on Egan Street for 02:51:11.010 --> 02:51:12.000 20 years. 02:51:12.000 --> 02:51:16.000 And 15 years ago, Denton was a different place. 02:51:16.000 --> 02:51:20.000 And our old neighborhoods were different places. 02:51:20.000 --> 02:51:24.000 Flow Hospital was still intact 15 years ago. 02:51:24.000 --> 02:51:26.000 And it's true, you know, everything. 02:51:26.000 --> 02:51:29.520 If you grew up in Denton, you know that Flow Hospital anch 02:51:29.520 --> 02:51:32.000 ored the neighborhood. 02:51:32.000 --> 02:51:35.549 And that neighborhood scale goods and services and 02:51:35.549 --> 02:51:38.000 facilities grew up around that. 02:51:38.000 --> 02:51:41.709 So that meant that, yes, when the Minton's lived on 1400 02:51:41.709 --> 02:51:43.000 block of Egan Street, 02:51:43.000 --> 02:51:45.590 and they had a tiny strip mall right behind them, it was 02:51:45.590 --> 02:51:47.000 neighborhood scale. 02:51:47.000 --> 02:51:49.770 And you could go up to Mr. New's Pharmacy, get your 02:51:49.770 --> 02:51:53.000 antibiotics, and be home in half a block. 02:51:53.000 --> 02:51:59.000 So 15 years ago, we also did not have SROs in Denton. 02:51:59.000 --> 02:52:02.000 And I bet you if you ask most people on planning and zoning 02:52:02.000 --> 02:52:03.000 or city council, 02:52:03.000 --> 02:52:07.000 they had no idea such a thing even existed. 02:52:07.000 --> 02:52:11.000 So when we call this multifamily, it's really a misnomer, 02:52:11.000 --> 02:52:16.000 because single resident occupancy is not family occupancy, 02:52:16.000 --> 02:52:20.000 which of course means that when these structures are built, 02:52:20.000 --> 02:52:24.000 they're never built to accommodate a family. 02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:27.000 They're only built to be glorified dorms. 02:52:27.000 --> 02:52:31.000 In my opinion, that's really a separate zoning category. 02:52:31.000 --> 02:52:37.260 So you're dealing with a transient population that are just 02:52:37.260 --> 02:52:40.000 simply going to be cycling through multifamily, 02:52:40.000 --> 02:52:44.000 as I said, is misnomer when we're talking about SROs. 02:52:44.000 --> 02:52:48.260 So in terms of our neighborhood being aware 15 years ago of 02:52:48.260 --> 02:52:52.000 what could go in and how that site could be used, 02:52:52.000 --> 02:52:56.459 honestly, no, we had no idea what could be coming our 02:52:56.459 --> 02:52:59.000 direction in 15 years. 02:52:59.000 --> 02:53:02.440 We sat there with flow. We had no idea that SROs even 02:53:02.440 --> 02:53:03.000 existed. 02:53:03.000 --> 02:53:07.149 So no, we were not going to be prepared to be fighting this 02:53:07.149 --> 02:53:09.000 15 years later. 02:53:09.000 --> 02:53:12.000 I'll be back in a couple weeks. 02:53:12.000 --> 02:53:15.200 But just something I'd like to point out, of course, is 02:53:15.200 --> 02:53:18.000 that just like Paul was saying, 02:53:18.000 --> 02:53:22.670 we're really looking at an area that was never meant to be 02:53:22.670 --> 02:53:25.000 university compatible. 02:53:25.000 --> 02:53:29.000 It was meant to be hospital district compatible. 02:53:29.000 --> 02:53:33.000 And UNT is building dormitories. 02:53:33.000 --> 02:53:36.729 The last meeting I was in, UNT said that it's hoping for an 02:53:36.729 --> 02:53:39.000 enrollment of 45,000. 02:53:39.000 --> 02:53:43.000 It has built infrastructure for 40,000, 02:53:43.000 --> 02:53:48.000 and they have no plans to increase the infrastructure. 02:53:48.000 --> 02:53:51.000 They're going for online programming. 02:53:51.000 --> 02:53:54.000 I mean, I don't know how that's going to tie into this. 02:53:54.000 --> 02:53:57.000 But honestly, we're not Denton. 02:53:57.000 --> 02:54:00.200 The city of Denton does not have to provide housing for UNT 02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:01.000 students. 02:54:01.000 --> 02:54:04.000 It's just not our business. 02:54:04.000 --> 02:54:07.020 Another thing I was going to talk about real quickly was 02:54:07.020 --> 02:54:08.000 infrastructure. 02:54:08.000 --> 02:54:13.770 And simply, the roads in that area cannot handle increased 02:54:13.770 --> 02:54:15.000 traffic. 02:54:15.000 --> 02:54:18.000 And those students are going to have to leave that site. 02:54:18.000 --> 02:54:21.260 Because it's only residential, there's going to be no 02:54:21.260 --> 02:54:24.000 commercial currently planned on that site. 02:54:24.000 --> 02:54:26.000 Then you're going to need toilet paper. 02:54:26.000 --> 02:54:29.000 They're going to need eggs. 02:54:29.000 --> 02:54:31.760 They're going to have to get in their cars and be zipping 02:54:31.760 --> 02:54:35.000 around the neighborhood to get these things. 02:54:35.000 --> 02:54:41.459 If you look even at Scripture and how well completed the 02:54:41.459 --> 02:54:43.000 street is, 02:54:43.000 --> 02:54:48.979 when you get to the farthest east, I guess it's on the 02:54:48.979 --> 02:54:50.000 southeast side, 02:54:50.000 --> 02:54:52.000 Scripture isn't even finished out. 02:54:52.000 --> 02:54:54.000 It doesn't have a curb and gutter. 02:54:54.000 --> 02:54:58.000 The pavement just kind of ends. 02:54:58.000 --> 02:55:00.000 And there's a little ditch there. 02:55:00.000 --> 02:55:03.209 So we're talking about adding all these warm bodies, all 02:55:03.209 --> 02:55:04.000 these cars, 02:55:04.000 --> 02:55:08.209 all the drainage to an area that doesn't even have a 02:55:08.209 --> 02:55:10.000 finished street. 02:55:10.000 --> 02:55:13.000 I'll just -- I'll see you again. 02:55:13.000 --> 02:55:18.000 [ Laughter ] 02:55:18.000 --> 02:55:20.000 >> Commissioner Back. 02:55:20.000 --> 02:55:23.000 >> I have a general question, I think for staff mainly. 02:55:23.000 --> 02:55:26.840 I didn't see anything of background information or the 02:55:26.840 --> 02:55:32.000 Africans' narrative about the analysis of road traffic. 02:55:32.000 --> 02:55:35.000 What do we call that? 02:55:35.000 --> 02:55:37.000 Yeah, T-A-R, T-R-A or something. 02:55:37.000 --> 02:55:38.000 >> T-I-A. 02:55:38.000 --> 02:55:39.000 >> T-I-A, thank you. 02:55:39.000 --> 02:55:42.000 I didn't see that in any of the paperwork. 02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:44.000 So have we done that? 02:55:44.000 --> 02:55:48.000 And if not, will we be doing it? 02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:50.000 >> I'm April Erle. 02:55:50.000 --> 02:55:53.000 Engineering has done a preliminary look at some numbers 02:55:53.000 --> 02:55:56.000 that they've provided as far as traffic impact. 02:55:56.000 --> 02:55:57.000 So I'll call Erle up. 02:55:57.000 --> 02:56:05.000 >> Thanks, Julie. 02:56:05.000 --> 02:56:08.600 >> As part of the zoning application, they submitted a 02:56:08.600 --> 02:56:12.000 brief summary of what the traffic impact would be. 02:56:12.000 --> 02:56:15.000 It's really not as detailed as we expect it to be. 02:56:15.000 --> 02:56:17.479 So we're hoping that the applicant can shed a little bit 02:56:17.479 --> 02:56:20.000 more light when they come up and present their case. 02:56:20.000 --> 02:56:22.000 >> Okay. 02:56:22.000 --> 02:56:31.000 Thank you. 02:56:31.000 --> 02:56:33.000 >> Can you get one and we'll put it back up overhead? 02:56:33.000 --> 02:56:42.000 >> I'll put one up here too. 02:56:42.000 --> 02:56:45.170 So I wanted to start out tonight and ask you to think about 02:56:45.170 --> 02:56:48.000 your most favorite place to go vacationing. 02:56:48.000 --> 02:56:50.000 >> Name. 02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:52.000 >> Name and address. 02:56:52.000 --> 02:56:53.000 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 02:56:53.000 --> 02:56:55.000 My name is Randy Hunt. 02:56:55.000 --> 02:56:58.000 I'm at 722 West Oak. 02:56:58.000 --> 02:57:03.000 Randy Hunt, 722 West Oak. 02:57:03.000 --> 02:57:07.000 So I think everybody has got a place it's fun to go to. 02:57:07.000 --> 02:57:12.000 But the reason it's fun is because it's a sense of place. 02:57:12.000 --> 02:57:14.000 And that's a very key word. 02:57:14.000 --> 02:57:17.000 A very important thing for all of us. 02:57:17.000 --> 02:57:22.329 So as I've started asking questions to some of the state 02:57:22.329 --> 02:57:25.459 agencies, they're really supplying us with a lot of 02:57:25.459 --> 02:57:29.000 information about how do you create a sense of place. 02:57:29.000 --> 02:57:32.340 So one of the documents is to the U.S. Conference of Mayors 02:57:32.340 --> 02:57:35.000 , the Mayors Institute of City Design. 02:57:35.000 --> 02:57:37.000 And that's their theme. 02:57:37.000 --> 02:57:39.000 How do you create a sense of place? 02:57:39.000 --> 02:57:42.000 We've got a sense of place. 02:57:42.000 --> 02:57:45.000 And it's cool. 02:57:45.000 --> 02:57:49.000 We have these are the old Sanborn maps. 02:57:49.000 --> 02:57:52.000 And I'll bring it back for next time. 02:57:52.000 --> 02:57:55.000 But, you know, this is what the city looked like. 02:57:55.000 --> 02:57:57.000 These are basically our city limits. 02:57:57.000 --> 02:58:01.000 This is in 1907, 100 years ago. 02:58:01.000 --> 02:58:03.000 Here it is in 1912. 02:58:03.000 --> 02:58:07.000 And these go like every five to seven years. 02:58:07.000 --> 02:58:10.870 But what you're seeing is that it starts to develop because 02:58:10.870 --> 02:58:15.110 this is when Texas Normal College got pushed down off the 02:58:15.110 --> 02:58:16.000 square. 02:58:16.000 --> 02:58:19.000 And it got there because then citizens put it there. 02:58:19.000 --> 02:58:22.000 They bought the land and convinced everyone. 02:58:22.000 --> 02:58:25.000 The important thing about the map that I was giving you, 02:58:25.000 --> 02:58:28.850 this comes from a survey done by the Texas Historic 02:58:28.850 --> 02:58:30.000 Commission. 02:58:30.000 --> 02:58:33.790 What they're doing is giving us the breadcrumbs for us to 02:58:33.790 --> 02:58:38.059 go follow because if we want to create tourism, like 02:58:38.059 --> 02:58:41.450 cultural tourism, which is the big theme now, we need 02:58:41.450 --> 02:58:43.000 historic districts. 02:58:43.000 --> 02:58:47.540 And we've just created a National Register District that 02:58:47.540 --> 02:58:52.000 will be listed in the National Park Service Historic, 02:58:52.000 --> 02:58:54.000 National Register of Historic Places. 02:58:54.000 --> 02:58:58.000 We're in step five of six. 02:58:58.000 --> 02:59:01.500 So it's not quite done yet, but all the approvals from the 02:59:01.500 --> 02:59:04.000 Texas Historic Commission are done. 02:59:04.000 --> 02:59:09.000 So on this map, I don't know how to illustrate it. 02:59:09.000 --> 02:59:11.000 I guess I'll just point to it here. 02:59:11.000 --> 02:59:16.040 This whole area was what THC recommended to be a National 02:59:16.040 --> 02:59:18.000 Register District. 02:59:18.000 --> 02:59:21.989 They also recommended this area to be a National Register 02:59:21.989 --> 02:59:23.000 District. 02:59:23.000 --> 02:59:28.000 So we're talking to them now that we've got our part done, 02:59:28.000 --> 02:59:31.000 which is about 350 homes. 02:59:31.000 --> 02:59:33.000 How do we go do this? 02:59:33.000 --> 02:59:38.700 And they're saying, get busy, because you've got properties 02:59:38.700 --> 02:59:42.000 over here that are worth saving. 02:59:42.000 --> 02:59:44.000 So that's the theme. 02:59:44.000 --> 02:59:48.520 What we need to do is to replicate what we've done in the 02:59:48.520 --> 02:59:53.559 dark green area, over here in the light green area, and a 02:59:53.559 --> 03:00:00.000 five-story building does not create a sense of place. 03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:03.760 If you want a reference to that, think about how the 03:00:03.760 --> 03:00:06.000 downtown square used to look. 03:00:06.000 --> 03:00:10.540 Because you ever thought about why is there like a 10-story 03:00:10.540 --> 03:00:14.000 building down there that sells Wells Fargo? 03:00:14.000 --> 03:00:17.000 Do you know there actually was a bank there? 03:00:17.000 --> 03:00:20.000 But it wasn't 10 stories. 03:00:20.000 --> 03:00:23.000 That created a sense of place. 03:00:23.000 --> 03:00:27.329 And to get the National Register for the square, man, they 03:00:27.329 --> 03:00:30.579 had to get very creative, because you have to have at least 03:00:30.579 --> 03:00:34.000 50% contributing properties there. 03:00:34.000 --> 03:00:37.000 They've got it, but it's just the square. 03:00:37.000 --> 03:00:40.000 Our area is 350 homes. 03:00:40.000 --> 03:00:44.000 We can include another 250 in this area. 03:00:44.000 --> 03:00:46.000 All we need is the time. 03:00:46.000 --> 03:00:52.000 And all we need is the collaboration. 03:00:52.000 --> 03:00:53.000 Commissioner Back. 03:00:53.000 --> 03:00:54.000 Thank you, Chair. 03:00:54.000 --> 03:00:58.389 When was the last time you all actually interacted with the 03:00:58.389 --> 03:01:03.000 Texas Historic Agency to try and establish this district? 03:01:03.000 --> 03:01:07.000 Well, it's been consistent for the last year and a half. 03:01:07.000 --> 03:01:08.000 Okay. 03:01:08.000 --> 03:01:09.000 So it's been recent. 03:01:09.000 --> 03:01:10.000 Oh, yeah. 03:01:10.000 --> 03:01:11.000 Okay. 03:01:11.000 --> 03:01:12.000 Yeah. 03:01:12.000 --> 03:01:15.469 I didn't get the final approval that the staff had done 03:01:15.469 --> 03:01:19.000 their final recommendations until two weeks ago. 03:01:19.000 --> 03:01:20.000 Okay. 03:01:20.000 --> 03:01:25.979 Has anybody in your area considered overlay districts for 03:01:25.979 --> 03:01:28.000 areas like this? 03:01:28.000 --> 03:01:29.000 Well, if anything. 03:01:29.000 --> 03:01:32.440 We've got a couple already in that general area, so is 03:01:32.440 --> 03:01:36.200 there any further consideration given towards an overlay 03:01:36.200 --> 03:01:38.000 district for this area? 03:01:38.000 --> 03:01:39.000 Absolutely. 03:01:39.000 --> 03:01:41.879 And there's some things that had never been considered in 03:01:41.879 --> 03:01:44.000 Denton before that we need to consider. 03:01:44.000 --> 03:01:45.000 Okay. 03:01:45.000 --> 03:01:46.000 Okay. 03:01:46.000 --> 03:01:52.000 Thanks, Randy. 03:01:52.000 --> 03:01:53.000 Thank you all for staying here. 03:01:53.000 --> 03:01:57.000 I'm Jacqueline Ferge, and I'm also at 1401 Eagan. 03:01:57.000 --> 03:02:00.149 I'm Michelle Lynn's tenant, and I'm glad to be her tenant 03:02:00.149 --> 03:02:02.860 because what she said tonight, I would definitely replicate 03:02:02.860 --> 03:02:03.000 . 03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:07.000 I'm in favor of safe biking roads for her son. 03:02:07.000 --> 03:02:09.690 I don't know how he makes it to howdy-doodie because I have 03:02:09.690 --> 03:02:12.850 to stand at the corner of Scripture for five, 10 minutes 03:02:12.850 --> 03:02:15.000 every morning just trying to cross. 03:02:15.000 --> 03:02:17.000 I don't want Scripture to turn into Carroll. 03:02:17.000 --> 03:02:19.000 It's why I live there. 03:02:19.000 --> 03:02:22.780 It's why I left the square so I could walk to work, UNT, on 03:02:22.780 --> 03:02:25.000 a safe, quiet neighborhood. 03:02:25.000 --> 03:02:27.809 I don't want there to be any more beds than there are 03:02:27.809 --> 03:02:31.340 parking places, and whatever you all allow in there, I want 03:02:31.340 --> 03:02:34.000 absolutely neighborhood compatibility. 03:02:34.000 --> 03:02:37.870 And, you know, frankly, my biggest dream is that no would 03:02:37.870 --> 03:02:39.000 mean no. 03:02:39.000 --> 03:02:42.329 You know, we are here, I think, not because this gentleman, 03:02:42.329 --> 03:02:46.059 you know, wants to use the property values of this historic 03:02:46.059 --> 03:02:49.000 neighborhood to enrich his own enterprise, 03:02:49.000 --> 03:02:51.829 but because you all keep leaving the back door open for 03:02:51.829 --> 03:02:54.950 everybody who wants to come along and say, how about this, 03:02:54.950 --> 03:02:56.000 how about that? 03:02:56.000 --> 03:02:59.829 You know we are a committed, organized, historic-minded 03:02:59.829 --> 03:03:03.750 neighborhood, and it would be just so great if we could all 03:03:03.750 --> 03:03:08.700 just kind of stay there and hear what we're saying and let 03:03:08.700 --> 03:03:11.000 this be the character of this neighborhood. 03:03:11.000 --> 03:03:14.000 For now, for good. 03:03:14.000 --> 03:03:16.000 That would be so appreciated. 03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:24.000 Thank you all very much. 03:03:24.000 --> 03:03:26.000 Again, this is a public hearing. 03:03:26.000 --> 03:03:29.510 Anyone who would like to speak, please come forward at this 03:03:29.510 --> 03:03:30.000 time. 03:03:30.000 --> 03:03:32.000 Hi, it's Kim McKibbin. 03:03:32.000 --> 03:03:38.000 I own property at 1306 West Hickory Street here in Denton. 03:03:38.000 --> 03:03:41.870 And I am here, I was here at the earlier meeting as well, 03:03:41.870 --> 03:03:45.000 because I'm curious about what's going on in Denton. 03:03:45.000 --> 03:03:49.000 I have started to read the 2030 plan. 03:03:49.000 --> 03:03:50.000 I've looked at a lot of the maps. 03:03:50.000 --> 03:03:52.000 It is quite detailed. 03:03:52.000 --> 03:03:58.239 And it was brought up earlier is that the community, the 03:03:58.239 --> 03:04:02.079 university compatibility area shouldn't be moving back 03:04:02.079 --> 03:04:07.000 towards the university with that height, but away from it. 03:04:07.000 --> 03:04:10.000 Now, I worked at Flow Hospital. 03:04:10.000 --> 03:04:12.829 I was one of the last ones out of the building when they 03:04:12.829 --> 03:04:14.000 closed the doors. 03:04:14.000 --> 03:04:17.229 Flow was never supposed to turn into any kind of student 03:04:17.229 --> 03:04:18.000 housing. 03:04:18.000 --> 03:04:22.000 That was not what the intent was when it was sold. 03:04:22.000 --> 03:04:25.950 So I have a little bit of history in this area because I 03:04:25.950 --> 03:04:30.000 worked there on all three floors of Flow Hospital. 03:04:30.000 --> 03:04:35.329 And I am very concerned about the request to rezone without 03:04:35.329 --> 03:04:40.000 any commitment to what's going to be done with that. 03:04:40.000 --> 03:04:42.000 There is a compromise in there somewhere. 03:04:42.000 --> 03:04:45.610 You don't have to build a 10-story building and you don't 03:04:45.610 --> 03:04:48.000 have to build a 2-story building. 03:04:48.000 --> 03:04:51.000 There are structures that would fit. 03:04:51.000 --> 03:04:55.459 However, the greed of the developers keeps that from 03:04:55.459 --> 03:04:58.000 happening in a lot of cases. 03:04:58.000 --> 03:05:02.229 The historical buildings you're going to have, you know, I 03:05:02.229 --> 03:05:06.000 don't know what you're going to do about the trees. 03:05:06.000 --> 03:05:07.270 How are they going to put those things there and not 03:05:07.270 --> 03:05:08.000 mitigate these trees? 03:05:08.000 --> 03:05:10.590 You guys were working on your tree ordinance not too long 03:05:10.590 --> 03:05:11.000 ago. 03:05:11.000 --> 03:05:13.000 I am concerned about the traffic. 03:05:13.000 --> 03:05:16.000 My business is downhill from there. 03:05:16.000 --> 03:05:20.000 So there's going to be a lot of things happening there. 03:05:20.000 --> 03:05:23.280 And yes, whatever they put there, they need to have one-to- 03:05:23.280 --> 03:05:25.329 one parking and they're going to have to do a lot of work on 03:05:25.329 --> 03:05:26.000 the infrastructure. 03:05:26.000 --> 03:05:31.000 I am personally very much opposed to single room occupancy. 03:05:31.000 --> 03:05:36.000 That leaves it only to students where there could be 03:05:36.000 --> 03:05:38.000 studios built here. 03:05:38.000 --> 03:05:41.000 There could be one-to-two-bedroom apartments built here, 03:05:41.000 --> 03:05:43.489 which would not only serve the students, but also serve the 03:05:43.489 --> 03:05:45.000 rest of Denton. 03:05:45.000 --> 03:05:47.000 We have people moving into the areas. 03:05:47.000 --> 03:05:49.000 Yes, we need housing for them. 03:05:49.000 --> 03:05:51.780 I want to move to a place in Denton that I can't find a 03:05:51.780 --> 03:05:53.000 house right now. 03:05:53.000 --> 03:05:55.000 So I have sympathy with that. 03:05:55.000 --> 03:05:58.629 But as someone else said, it's not the city's 03:05:58.629 --> 03:06:03.629 responsibility to provide dormitories for the University of 03:06:03.629 --> 03:06:05.000 North Texas. 03:06:05.000 --> 03:06:11.100 Seeing as there are currently 9,384 of them in Denton 03:06:11.100 --> 03:06:15.000 spread out between 26 complexes. 03:06:15.000 --> 03:06:18.670 Now, that was the number from an article I found in 03:06:18.670 --> 03:06:21.000 November of 2016. 03:06:21.000 --> 03:06:26.000 How many do we really need in Denton? 03:06:26.000 --> 03:06:29.610 And as these cannot be used for anything else in the 03:06:29.610 --> 03:06:33.430 population of the University, if it goes online, it's going 03:06:33.430 --> 03:06:34.000 to go down. 03:06:34.000 --> 03:06:38.000 Just really be very careful what you do. 03:06:38.000 --> 03:06:42.430 I know you guys will, and I know you're stuck with just the 03:06:42.430 --> 03:06:45.000 rezoning stuff at this point. 03:06:45.000 --> 03:06:48.000 But then after you rezone it, what happens? 03:06:48.000 --> 03:06:50.000 Do they ask for a little bit more? 03:06:50.000 --> 03:06:54.590 I don't believe an overlay is a solution because they 03:06:54.590 --> 03:06:58.059 walked right in and asked for a variance to the overlay 03:06:58.059 --> 03:07:02.000 down on Hickory Street. 03:07:02.000 --> 03:07:06.000 And that didn't stop them at all. 03:07:06.000 --> 03:07:11.370 So please be aware we need housing, we need spaces, people 03:07:11.370 --> 03:07:13.000 need parking. 03:07:13.000 --> 03:07:16.000 It is in a food desert. Someone said something about that. 03:07:16.000 --> 03:07:19.889 There's no place to even buy a head of lettuce anywhere 03:07:19.889 --> 03:07:21.000 down there. 03:07:21.000 --> 03:07:24.100 Please, as you move forward with this rezoning and with 03:07:24.100 --> 03:07:27.229 what you allow to be built there, because I'm pretty sure 03:07:27.229 --> 03:07:29.000 something will be built there. 03:07:29.000 --> 03:07:31.000 What do we need? 03:07:31.000 --> 03:07:33.000 What will we need 20 years from now? 03:07:33.000 --> 03:07:36.000 And what will we need 25, 30 years from now? 03:07:36.000 --> 03:07:38.000 I intend to retire in Denton. 03:07:38.000 --> 03:07:43.000 And hopefully I'll find a place to live. 03:07:43.000 --> 03:07:44.000 Thank you. 03:07:44.000 --> 03:07:45.000 A question for you. 03:07:45.000 --> 03:07:46.000 Yes, sir. 03:07:46.000 --> 03:07:49.000 I was encouraged to hear you say the word compromise. 03:07:49.000 --> 03:07:53.000 And I think that may be a missing piece. 03:07:53.000 --> 03:07:56.200 Do you have some ideas of what compromise for you is on 03:07:56.200 --> 03:07:58.000 this particular parcel? 03:07:58.000 --> 03:08:02.000 Well, if you start to look at the height is a major issue. 03:08:02.000 --> 03:08:04.000 And it truly is. 03:08:04.000 --> 03:08:06.899 A compromise here, which I think maybe some of the people 03:08:06.899 --> 03:08:10.000 in the neighborhood might like to see, is something lower. 03:08:10.000 --> 03:08:13.000 Some not SROs. 03:08:13.000 --> 03:08:16.260 If you could have studio apartments, if you could have one 03:08:16.260 --> 03:08:19.469 and two bedroom apartments that kept some of the walk 03:08:19.469 --> 03:08:24.000 ability to the area, our faculty and staff would also at UNT 03:08:24.000 --> 03:08:26.000 would also have a place to live. 03:08:26.000 --> 03:08:29.709 So I think that if you could compromise somehow and get the 03:08:29.709 --> 03:08:33.190 developer to talk to the people, I know even when they 03:08:33.190 --> 03:08:36.389 built the youth center down there on Fry Street, they 03:08:36.389 --> 03:08:40.159 worked with the neighborhood adjoining them to what the 03:08:40.159 --> 03:08:43.159 structure looked like, to what it would be made out of, to 03:08:43.159 --> 03:08:45.889 what the feel would be, to how far the setbacks would be 03:08:45.889 --> 03:08:48.000 and what plants would be there. 03:08:48.000 --> 03:08:52.000 So their development is inevitable. 03:08:52.000 --> 03:08:54.000 But there needs to be a compromise. 03:08:54.000 --> 03:08:58.680 And it can't all always be about the end profit for the 03:08:58.680 --> 03:09:00.000 developer. 03:09:00.000 --> 03:09:04.350 A lot of times it truly needs to be about the environment 03:09:04.350 --> 03:09:09.000 and the safety of the people and the citizens of Denton. 03:09:09.000 --> 03:09:11.000 And I'm talking longtime citizens. 03:09:11.000 --> 03:09:14.000 I know we survive off the students and all of that. 03:09:14.000 --> 03:09:17.610 But so long as I've been here for a while and we came here 03:09:17.610 --> 03:09:20.000 as students and we stayed here. 03:09:20.000 --> 03:09:22.000 And I think that there's going to be more people like that. 03:09:22.000 --> 03:09:26.000 Denton is one of the top places to retire to now. 03:09:26.000 --> 03:09:28.000 Where are you going to put us? 03:09:28.000 --> 03:09:31.729 Are any of these apartments going to be handicap accessible 03:09:31.729 --> 03:09:32.000 ? 03:09:32.000 --> 03:09:34.000 What are you going to do with us? 03:09:34.000 --> 03:09:39.000 So I think that Denton's at a tipping point. 03:09:39.000 --> 03:09:44.000 I think that we might need to look at SROs. 03:09:44.000 --> 03:09:45.000 How many do we need? 03:09:45.000 --> 03:09:48.360 Does it require a special use permit to put those things in 03:09:48.360 --> 03:09:49.000 there? 03:09:49.000 --> 03:09:50.000 What's the parking going to be? 03:09:50.000 --> 03:09:53.629 There's certainly not single family dwellings or multiple 03:09:53.629 --> 03:09:55.000 family dwellings. 03:09:55.000 --> 03:09:59.000 They are a creature of their own making. 03:09:59.000 --> 03:10:04.000 And each bedroom costs $650, $700, minimal. 03:10:04.000 --> 03:10:07.000 For those is a whole lot of money. 03:10:07.000 --> 03:10:10.000 But we built new apartments down around the rail station, 03:10:10.000 --> 03:10:13.000 which are not SROs. 03:10:13.000 --> 03:10:14.000 I don't particularly like the way they look. 03:10:14.000 --> 03:10:15.000 They look like Denver. 03:10:15.000 --> 03:10:21.260 But they gave other people, other than students, places to 03:10:21.260 --> 03:10:22.000 live in Denton. 03:10:22.000 --> 03:10:24.000 I love this neighborhood up there. 03:10:24.000 --> 03:10:27.000 I used to sit out around Flo before they tore all the trees 03:10:27.000 --> 03:10:28.000 and everything down. 03:10:28.000 --> 03:10:30.000 Worked on the psych units up there. 03:10:30.000 --> 03:10:32.000 And that was part of the thing. 03:10:32.000 --> 03:10:34.760 You could, from the third floor psych unit, you could see 03:10:34.760 --> 03:10:36.000 the whole downtown. 03:10:36.000 --> 03:10:38.000 Unfortunately, there was a 10-story building there. 03:10:38.000 --> 03:10:43.840 If they put a really tall building there, you will be able 03:10:43.840 --> 03:10:46.000 to see it from 35. 03:10:46.000 --> 03:10:49.000 Because it is on top of that hill. 03:10:49.000 --> 03:10:52.100 So you're sitting something on top of the hill that's going 03:10:52.100 --> 03:10:53.000 to cover a lot of ground. 03:10:53.000 --> 03:10:55.000 You've got drainage issues. 03:10:55.000 --> 03:10:57.000 You've got how you're going to pump water to it. 03:10:57.000 --> 03:11:01.000 Very carefully consider what you're doing. 03:11:01.000 --> 03:11:02.000 Thank you very much. 03:11:02.000 --> 03:11:08.000 Again, this is a public hearing. 03:11:08.000 --> 03:11:15.760 Anyone who would like to speak on this item tonight, please 03:11:15.760 --> 03:11:18.000 come forward. 03:11:18.000 --> 03:11:19.000 Hello. Brian Morrison. 03:11:19.000 --> 03:11:21.000 I'm at 305 Mounts Avenue. 03:11:21.000 --> 03:11:24.000 That's in the Oak History Historic District. 03:11:24.000 --> 03:11:27.000 I was going to make a lot of other comments tonight. 03:11:27.000 --> 03:11:30.420 But in light of what she had just said, I think a 03:11:30.420 --> 03:11:34.000 compromise would be something that fits the area, 03:11:34.000 --> 03:11:38.780 fits the lot as far as size, density, traffic, parking, all 03:11:38.780 --> 03:11:40.000 those things. 03:11:40.000 --> 03:11:43.000 We're already feeling the overflow. 03:11:43.000 --> 03:11:46.000 And I'm a good distance from UNT. 03:11:46.000 --> 03:11:49.319 We're already feeling the overflow from Denton's parking 03:11:49.319 --> 03:11:50.000 issues. 03:11:50.000 --> 03:11:52.819 They keep taking away parking lots and building parking gar 03:11:52.819 --> 03:11:56.000 ages that the students can't afford to park in. 03:11:56.000 --> 03:11:59.020 And so they're all flowing out into the neighborhoods and 03:11:59.020 --> 03:12:00.000 on the streets. 03:12:00.000 --> 03:12:03.219 In the streets around me, they're just lined up bumper to 03:12:03.219 --> 03:12:05.000 bumper every day, all day. 03:12:05.000 --> 03:12:07.780 So getting in and out of the neighborhood is very difficult 03:12:07.780 --> 03:12:08.000 . 03:12:08.000 --> 03:12:12.159 So as far as compromise goes for this property and those in 03:12:12.159 --> 03:12:15.000 the area, I think what goes in -- 03:12:15.000 --> 03:12:18.000 I know it's going to be redeveloped, but what goes in 03:12:18.000 --> 03:12:23.000 should definitely fit the area of the site as far as size, 03:12:23.000 --> 03:12:23.000 density, 03:12:23.000 --> 03:12:27.600 and of course, the appearance, the compatibility with the 03:12:27.600 --> 03:12:29.000 historic area. 03:12:29.000 --> 03:12:38.000 Okay. Thank you. 03:12:38.000 --> 03:12:39.000 Again, this is a public hearing. 03:12:39.000 --> 03:12:46.280 Anyone else who would like to speak on this item tonight at 03:12:46.280 --> 03:12:48.000 this time? 03:12:48.000 --> 03:12:52.000 Seeing none, we are not closing the public hearing. 03:12:52.000 --> 03:12:55.000 Since we are continuing it. 03:12:55.000 --> 03:13:00.000 I'm glad you did that so I could learn from you. 03:13:00.000 --> 03:13:06.500 So with that, again, this item has been continued to March 03:13:06.500 --> 03:13:08.000 the 8th. 03:13:08.000 --> 03:13:10.000 So please, everyone, come back. 03:13:10.000 --> 03:13:13.059 You'll have an opportunity to speak again to hopefully the 03:13:13.059 --> 03:13:14.000 full commission. 03:13:14.000 --> 03:13:17.760 And thank you all for coming this evening and appreciate 03:13:17.760 --> 03:13:19.000 your comments. 03:13:19.000 --> 03:13:22.000 I'm sorry. 03:13:22.000 --> 03:13:24.000 Before we move on, commissioner Beck. 03:13:24.000 --> 03:13:25.000 Thank you, chair. 03:13:25.000 --> 03:13:27.100 And I appreciate everyone of you all coming out and 03:13:27.100 --> 03:13:28.000 speaking to this. 03:13:28.000 --> 03:13:30.200 I know it's been tough on you over the months and 03:13:30.200 --> 03:13:31.000 everything. 03:13:31.000 --> 03:13:32.000 We appreciate it. 03:13:32.000 --> 03:13:35.000 I would just like to make one comment. 03:13:35.000 --> 03:13:38.000 I suspect Mr. Allison got an earful tonight. 03:13:38.000 --> 03:13:41.000 And I'm sure he'll take them into consideration. 03:13:41.000 --> 03:13:43.000 And I hope you do address them. 03:13:43.000 --> 03:13:45.000 I would like you to consider one thing, too. 03:13:45.000 --> 03:13:48.000 It's kind of troubled me, Lee. 03:13:48.000 --> 03:13:53.000 It's just it's been frustrating to see any developer come 03:13:53.000 --> 03:13:55.000 in to the north side of UNT campus 03:13:55.000 --> 03:13:59.000 and want to build these tall high-rise buildings. 03:13:59.000 --> 03:14:02.000 There are so many areas around the campus we do it. 03:14:02.000 --> 03:14:05.000 And I wouldn't have a problem anywhere else approving this. 03:14:05.000 --> 03:14:06.000 I like the design. 03:14:06.000 --> 03:14:08.000 I like a lot of what you do. 03:14:08.000 --> 03:14:10.000 We need this kind of density. 03:14:10.000 --> 03:14:14.000 But some areas are just off limits, in my opinion. 03:14:14.000 --> 03:14:15.000 And this is one of them. 03:14:15.000 --> 03:14:20.000 I would just wish that you would take your great product 03:14:20.000 --> 03:14:23.000 and find another location around the campus for it. 03:14:23.000 --> 03:14:25.000 So just consider that if you would. 03:14:25.000 --> 03:14:28.000 Thank you. 03:14:28.000 --> 03:14:30.000 Again, thank you all for coming out this evening. 03:14:30.000 --> 03:14:35.000 I hope to see you all back in a couple of weeks. 03:14:35.000 --> 03:14:39.879 Moving on on our agenda, both items D and E as we announced 03:14:39.879 --> 03:14:44.000 at the beginning of our meeting, 03:14:44.000 --> 03:14:47.000 both of those items have been withdrawn. 03:14:47.000 --> 03:14:52.329 And so that will move us this evening to our item number 03:14:52.329 --> 03:14:53.000 five, 03:14:53.000 --> 03:14:58.899 which is going to be our project matrix and concluding 03:14:58.899 --> 03:15:00.000 items. 03:15:00.000 --> 03:15:02.000 Commissioner Ellis. 03:15:02.000 --> 03:15:03.000 Thank you, Chair. 03:15:03.000 --> 03:15:06.190 First, I want to say thank you, staff, for doing the zoning 03:15:06.190 --> 03:15:08.000 comparison chart so quick. 03:15:08.000 --> 03:15:11.000 I noticed that was all included in our backup stuff. 03:15:11.000 --> 03:15:12.000 And it's so helpful. 03:15:12.000 --> 03:15:14.000 So thank you. 03:15:14.000 --> 03:15:15.000 Thank you on that. 03:15:15.000 --> 03:15:18.149 Next, could I request, if possible, can we get some of 03:15:18.149 --> 03:15:22.000 these comments before the start of the work session? 03:15:22.000 --> 03:15:26.000 Is that possible at all? 03:15:26.000 --> 03:15:29.000 Commissioner Ellis, which comments are you referring to? 03:15:29.000 --> 03:15:30.000 I'm sorry. 03:15:30.000 --> 03:15:31.000 I should have clarified. 03:15:31.000 --> 03:15:34.059 When we have public hearings and we have so many comments 03:15:34.059 --> 03:15:35.000 as we did today, 03:15:35.000 --> 03:15:37.959 it's difficult to go through them in detail when we get 03:15:37.959 --> 03:15:40.000 them at the start of work session. 03:15:40.000 --> 03:15:43.510 I don't know if that can be -- I don't know when they come 03:15:43.510 --> 03:15:44.000 to you, 03:15:44.000 --> 03:15:47.000 so I don't know if this can be remedied. 03:15:47.000 --> 03:15:49.000 I think it can. 03:15:49.000 --> 03:15:52.000 And I also think it cannot, so bear with me. 03:15:52.000 --> 03:15:57.000 In instances where we do receive a number of comments, 03:15:57.000 --> 03:15:59.290 we try and amass them together at the same time and make 03:15:59.290 --> 03:16:01.000 sure that they're presented at the meeting. 03:16:01.000 --> 03:16:07.100 But in instances where these came in, they flowed in, it 03:16:07.100 --> 03:16:09.000 wasn't amass mailing that came in to us. 03:16:09.000 --> 03:16:12.000 But in instances where we receive a few bulk, 03:16:12.000 --> 03:16:14.819 we'll make sure that we provide whatever we can via email 03:16:14.819 --> 03:16:17.000 to the Planning and Zoning Commission. 03:16:17.000 --> 03:16:18.000 Okay, thanks. 03:16:18.000 --> 03:16:21.440 But it would be at the time of posting of the agenda as 03:16:21.440 --> 03:16:22.000 well. 03:16:22.000 --> 03:16:24.000 Right, and I guess that's what I mean. 03:16:24.000 --> 03:16:27.309 If we do have a stack at that point, maybe they could be 03:16:27.309 --> 03:16:29.000 included, and that's at least a head start. 03:16:29.000 --> 03:16:32.000 We'll make an effort to try and get that to you. 03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:38.000 Thank you. 03:16:38.000 --> 03:16:42.000 Anyone else? 03:16:42.000 --> 03:16:45.000 No? 03:16:45.000 --> 03:16:49.000 Okay, at 9.08, I'm going to close our meeting this evening. 03:16:49.000 --> 03:16:51.000 Thank you, everyone.