1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,919 meeting for January 25th 2017. This meeting has been duly 2 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:06,820 posted and we do 3 00:00:06,820 --> 00:00:09,890 have a quorum present and I'm going to call our meeting to 4 00:00:09,890 --> 00:00:11,160 order at 11 after 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,449 4. This will be our work session and we will begin with 6 00:00:15,449 --> 00:00:16,800 clarification of agenda 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,929 items and I will turn it over to Shandria for presentation. 8 00:00:21,929 --> 00:00:23,719 Good evening. 9 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:28,129 The first item is the approval of the PNZ meetings from 10 00:00:28,129 --> 00:00:29,160 meeting minutes from 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,939 January 11th. If anybody has any discussion on that we'll 12 00:00:32,939 --> 00:00:36,520 open it up. Okay. 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,859 Do we want to have a clarification about the item that's 14 00:00:39,859 --> 00:00:41,520 going to come later just 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,689 so everybody else has an idea on 4A or just handle that at 16 00:00:45,689 --> 00:00:50,640 that time? Okay. We'll leave that alone then. 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,340 Anybody have any questions on the minutes? No changes? Okay 18 00:00:55,340 --> 00:00:57,640 . Okay. On the consent 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,990 agenda we have two plats both are for the razor-wrench 20 00:01:01,990 --> 00:01:04,200 phase three and I'll 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,269 invite Mike Bell up to do a presentation if you guys have 22 00:01:07,269 --> 00:01:10,120 any questions. Does 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:18,989 anybody have questions? Okay. For the for the final plan I 24 00:01:18,989 --> 00:01:20,120 did pass out an 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,790 updated version. Two minor tweaks, the labeling of the lots 26 00:01:23,790 --> 00:01:24,959 , they went from 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,579 block one to block A and there's a corner clip designation 28 00:01:28,579 --> 00:01:29,519 at Panhandle 29 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:31,829 in 35. So those are the two changes from what you got from 30 00:01:31,829 --> 00:01:34,400 your previous backup. 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,909 And under individual considerations we have two items. The 32 00:01:42,909 --> 00:01:45,239 first item for A, 33 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:49,469 this is the one that chair was referring to, we are going 34 00:01:49,469 --> 00:01:52,120 to have to postpone the 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,689 action on that item until we can repost it to actually set 36 00:01:56,689 --> 00:01:58,439 up the committee. So 37 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:00,959 we have to set up the committee first and then we can nom 38 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:02,799 inate commissioners. 39 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:08,389 All right. And then 4B is a site is a request for approval 40 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:09,400 of a site plan in 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,210 the razor-wrench overlay district and if anybody has 42 00:02:12,210 --> 00:02:13,599 questions, well Mike will do a 43 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,400 presentation on that. 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,930 So this project would be SP 16-3, it's a retail building, 45 00:02:25,930 --> 00:02:31,240 143,000 square foot 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,969 retail development in the RR 1 area of the razor-wrench 47 00:02:33,969 --> 00:02:35,240 overlay district. As 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,020 normal it has to comply with the site plan landscape plan 49 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:40,400 and elevations have 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,689 to comply with the exhibits of the ordinance. To show you 51 00:02:44,689 --> 00:02:46,120 kind of where this 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,060 project is in relation to the overall town center, this is 53 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:50,240 380 on the north 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,900 side and 35 and the subject property is this area here. So 55 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:58,360 it forms a major 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,800 anchor of the town center just south of the in-and-out and 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,159 the chiles that have 58 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:08,289 been built. And to the right is just a blow-up how that 59 00:03:08,289 --> 00:03:11,919 site will work. This is 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,979 the northern half of that lot, the landscape plan, see 61 00:03:14,979 --> 00:03:16,599 plantings meet code 62 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:20,479 requirements for landscape islands and screening. The same 63 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:21,840 for the south half. 64 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,379 And then this exhibit is the hardscape plan, plaza space is 65 00:03:27,379 --> 00:03:28,479 required with the 66 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:30,520 razor ordinance. They have met their plaza space 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,840 requirements at the 68 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,419 entrances, they provided seating and as well as a 69 00:03:37,419 --> 00:03:38,599 substantial amount of 70 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:41,419 landscaping around the building. And in addition there will 71 00:03:41,419 --> 00:03:42,120 be this kind of 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,139 courtyard as from the entrance to this door into the town 73 00:03:46,139 --> 00:03:48,120 center area. So at 74 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,539 some point there will be some additional plaza space there. 75 00:03:51,539 --> 00:03:53,080 And I've shown two 76 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,900 elevations here that represent the four sides. So the top 77 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:56,879 view is what you'd see 78 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:00,870 from I-35 and then this would be what you'd see from the 79 00:04:00,870 --> 00:04:01,800 north or the south. 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:07,729 They're very similar elevations. I've outlined the criteria 81 00:04:07,729 --> 00:04:09,240 for approval in 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,659 the backup. I'm happy to go through that and we will be 83 00:04:11,659 --> 00:04:12,879 recommending approval. 84 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:16,199 Happy to answer any questions. 85 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:26,720 Thank you Mike. The first item under public hearing is a 86 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,800 request for regarding 87 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,089 the historic landmark designation and I'll invite Roman Mc 88 00:04:33,089 --> 00:04:33,879 Allen up for a 89 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:36,399 presentation. 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,149 Hello. This item is historic landmark designation for 91 00:04:45,149 --> 00:04:50,160 property at 2106 North 92 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,639 Bell. The request is to hold this public meeting and 93 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:54,920 consider making a 94 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,439 recommendation to City Council regarding an application for 95 00:04:57,439 --> 00:04:58,279 historic landmark 96 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,459 designation of 2106 North Bell Avenue which is on the 97 00:05:01,459 --> 00:05:02,560 southeast corner of 98 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,879 Bell Avenue and Sherman Drive. The home was surveyed in 99 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:11,199 1996 as part of the city 100 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:16,269 wide historic resources survey and at that time it was 101 00:05:16,269 --> 00:05:17,680 labeled as a high 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,870 priority structure in the in the Tudor revival style. This 103 00:05:22,870 --> 00:05:23,720 is an image from that 104 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,620 survey. A summary of why this these items come before you 105 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:30,319 is that the historic 106 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:33,519 landmark is from per the code the historic landmark 107 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:34,639 Commission makes a 108 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:37,269 recommendation to the planning and zoning Commission which 109 00:05:37,269 --> 00:05:38,000 then considers 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,560 it and makes a recommendation to the City Council who makes 111 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:43,360 the final 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:50,279 ordinance decision. Doing this designating historic 113 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,480 resources has to do 114 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,040 with the comprehensive plan in various ways and one of them 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,480 is that element 4 116 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,350 of that plan calls for the preservation maintenance and 117 00:06:00,350 --> 00:06:01,600 creation of character 118 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,670 areas within the city and then element 7 calls us for the 119 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:07,319 city to be proactive in 120 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:10,370 neighborhood conservation and using historic designations 121 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:11,000 as a defense 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,500 mechanism to some some development in those areas where 123 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:16,360 there are historic 124 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,019 properties. So then there are 13 criteria you only need one 125 00:06:21,019 --> 00:06:22,319 to be a designated 126 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:26,910 historic landmark and I just chose three the applicant had 127 00:06:26,910 --> 00:06:28,199 submitted also 128 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:33,399 several others. One in this case is that is one is it says 129 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,120 character the 130 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,800 home or the property has character interest or value as 131 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,500 part of the 132 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:43,699 development heritage or cultural characteristics of our 133 00:06:43,699 --> 00:06:45,120 city. So this one 134 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,089 meets that in in a couple of ways it's very prominently 135 00:06:49,089 --> 00:06:50,680 located on Sherman and 136 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,100 North Bell so whether you're coming from the north down 137 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:55,240 south you know you're 138 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,339 sort of entering the historic core of the city and if you 139 00:06:58,339 --> 00:07:00,279 're going north you 140 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,089 you experience that same knowledge because this is a really 141 00:07:04,089 --> 00:07:05,040 prominent home. 142 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,170 When it started out it was a little smaller two-story is 143 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:11,920 represented here in 144 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,490 the early 30s and then it was added on to and the chimney 145 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:19,279 was shifted to the 146 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:22,769 south and the property was picked up and so it sits really 147 00:07:22,769 --> 00:07:24,000 prominent at that 148 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:31,220 intersection. And then with respect to that style I just 149 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:33,439 want to point out the 150 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:39,600 Tudor style is represented in many ways throughout Denton 151 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,480 it's like the second 152 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,730 most popular home style that you think of in the United 153 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:47,279 States after in the in 154 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:51,610 the early 20th century. Here are two other ones in the Oak 155 00:07:51,610 --> 00:07:52,199 Hickory 156 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:56,240 historic district these are brick versions and this is a 157 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,660 more typical Tudor 158 00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:00,839 style with the brick or the masonry work and then sort of 159 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:02,120 the half timbering that 160 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,060 you see in those two gables the gable on the house on your 161 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:06,879 left over the door it's 162 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:12,009 kind of stucco and that it's called half timbering. And 163 00:08:12,009 --> 00:08:13,639 another version this 164 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,879 property just recently got historic property of the month 165 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:17,959 and surveyors back 166 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:21,310 then also called this a Tudor style although here it's not 167 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:22,079 half timbering 168 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:25,759 those are actually pretty massive structural timbers that 169 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:26,480 hold up the 170 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:32,519 front porch. Another so I talked about that another is the 171 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:33,360 specimen that so is 172 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,509 this a good specimen and the home is a great specimen now 173 00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:36,320 the current owners 174 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,289 have fully restored I believe they removed a synthetic form 175 00:08:40,289 --> 00:08:41,139 of siding or 176 00:08:41,139 --> 00:08:44,159 something that had been on it when they acquired it and 177 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:45,399 they may be here this 178 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:48,820 evening. They even went that's their notes on the lower 179 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:50,120 right they went so 180 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,740 far as to find the redwood and have the redwood milled into 181 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:55,039 the right siding for 182 00:08:55,039 --> 00:08:58,590 any repair work that they did. Then finally another 183 00:08:58,590 --> 00:08:59,840 criteria meets is 184 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,840 association with a significant person in or civic person to 185 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,080 the city or to the 186 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,929 state and I just threw a couple this home is stately enough 187 00:09:08,929 --> 00:09:09,720 that who knows 188 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,539 this is a neighborhood probably birthday party on the left 189 00:09:13,539 --> 00:09:14,759 and a lot of faces 190 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:17,850 that were part of the city. On the right I believe this is 191 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:18,919 probably the judge 192 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:22,129 although the owners will be here later the Judge Boyd and I 193 00:09:22,129 --> 00:09:23,200 saved this image 194 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,919 just having a little fun the child the children there you 195 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:26,840 won't see this too 196 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,309 often they're pretty rug in front you turn that rug around 197 00:09:29,309 --> 00:09:30,000 and something 198 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,379 you're not going to see much more these days is a big polar 199 00:09:33,379 --> 00:09:34,799 bear rug on that 200 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,889 carpet. So the judge coming back to the judge and who that 201 00:09:37,889 --> 00:09:38,960 was Judge Ben Boyd 202 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,710 and Ida Boyd owned the house in from 48 to 63 they were 203 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:44,679 distinguished members of 204 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Denton Society. He was an associate justice of the Second 205 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Court of Civil 206 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,720 Appeals in Fort Worth for ten years and then held some 207 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,840 district county 208 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,600 judgeships as well. He here's just an he gave an address 209 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,559 here at the 1940 in 210 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:09,870 1946 at the UNT. Here's a couple newspaper articles the one 211 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:10,320 on the left 212 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,100 just about a case a prominent case that the judge handled 213 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:15,399 and on the right is 214 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:20,600 some information about Mrs. Boyd's position with the Texas 215 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Women's 216 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,450 Federation. So we've sent out notices to the neighborhood 217 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:26,120 we've gotten just a 218 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,730 couple of notices back and they were favorable and we would 219 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:31,700 not recommend 220 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:39,269 approval for this property. I'll take any questions. 221 00:10:39,269 --> 00:10:41,320 Commissioner Rosell. Thank you I 222 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,600 actually have several questions. First just my own 223 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,440 notification every time I 224 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,139 hear Tudor style I think brick, half timbers, what outside 225 00:10:53,139 --> 00:10:54,360 of that can you go 226 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,200 over that how do you define the Tudor outside of that is it 227 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,080 's a steep pitch 228 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,039 roof or the steep pitch and I think often they talk about 229 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:04,720 the facade having 230 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,330 you're looking at the gable and so it's it's not a side g 231 00:11:08,330 --> 00:11:09,720 able house typically 232 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,110 you're looking at how do you refer it's not a hip roof so 233 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:14,320 you're looking at the 234 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,929 gable in the facade and here you got actually three if we 235 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:21,080 go back we've got 236 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,169 kind of three gables that we're looking at and I would say 237 00:11:25,169 --> 00:11:26,600 the pitch roof the 238 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,570 gabling is really what's going to get you there and you're 239 00:11:31,570 --> 00:11:32,799 it is unusual that 240 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:38,350 it's not stone that sort of the Bible on this topic McAll 241 00:11:38,350 --> 00:11:40,559 ister's book he almost 242 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,080 every examples brick or masonry but you can't deny when you 243 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,399 hold this up to the 244 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:49,620 others it just does that so this one these on these so you 245 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:50,480 see the pitch roof 246 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,460 on the left is right this one's a little bit long this 247 00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:54,120 house on the right looks a 248 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,059 little like a Swiss chalet I mean you can try to figure out 249 00:11:57,059 --> 00:11:57,919 what's going on 250 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:00,740 but again same same thing both of them have the curve 251 00:12:00,740 --> 00:12:03,000 entries and you know it 252 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,440 is a highly subjective feel and the sort of eclectic 253 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,840 versions of them but I think 254 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,990 in a way this is sort of an eclectic version of it the 255 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:09,919 other thing that's 256 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,750 unusual in this house or above that front door the three 257 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:15,240 square windows 258 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,110 normally the front facade of a Tudor will have elongated 259 00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:20,519 windows almost all 260 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:23,269 the way across some sort of rectangular elongated when the 261 00:12:23,269 --> 00:12:24,559 other thing is a very 262 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,629 substantial fireplace is the norm to kind of anchoring one 263 00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:30,120 side the other 264 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,169 question has is you mentioned element seven says to pro 265 00:12:33,169 --> 00:12:34,919 actively the city's 266 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:37,919 charged to proactively look into these can you tell me how 267 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,039 does that manifest 268 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,120 itself how's the city practically doing that is there 269 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,279 applications that are 270 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:46,600 streamlined for this or how can citizens do how can we do 271 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,320 more of this in terms 272 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,889 of proactivity that's a really good question I'm glad you 273 00:12:51,889 --> 00:12:53,080 asked it well one 274 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,679 way and I've there's been a citizen led movement on this 275 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:57,799 for some time is 276 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:01,769 there's a fee associated with with this is two fees the fee 277 00:13:01,769 --> 00:13:02,919 for the application 278 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:07,720 is I want to say it's $60 where they combine fees end up at 279 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,000 265 with the 280 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,049 paying for the mailing is allegedly the other reason I 281 00:13:12,049 --> 00:13:13,799 personally think we should 282 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:17,850 waive be waiving those fees it's such a minimal part to the 283 00:13:17,850 --> 00:13:19,200 city's budget but 284 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,090 it's at least one little incentive that we're offering to 285 00:13:22,090 --> 00:13:23,120 someone work we're 286 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,120 honoring their home and that place and and people are 287 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,279 really proud of it in 288 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:34,409 this case this home is owned by the the the second chair or 289 00:13:34,409 --> 00:13:35,200 someone on the 290 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,610 historic Landmark Commission but the the other way we do it 291 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:40,919 for example is we 292 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:43,190 just did a historic property the month was just something 293 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:44,039 we just came up with 294 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:48,120 just to have public relations and as I do that almost every 295 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,480 time someone says 296 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,259 well I want my home to be designated and so I had a guy 297 00:13:52,259 --> 00:13:53,480 walk in this week and 298 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,059 he's already submitted the application so I think it's a 299 00:13:59,059 --> 00:14:00,799 matter of just getting 300 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,610 out in the community and talking to people and the dent and 301 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:06,039 television doing 302 00:14:06,039 --> 00:14:08,080 a little promotion of the property the month helps and 303 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,159 people make people aware 304 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:14,799 of it we also of course can designate whole neighborhoods 305 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:16,480 and that's fine too 306 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,350 either one either you know when the community does that but 307 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:20,519 I would say 308 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:22,940 that's the main thing one we probably ought to be looking 309 00:14:22,940 --> 00:14:24,320 at that fee and even 310 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,610 if we do decide to remove that just publicizing that 311 00:14:27,610 --> 00:14:28,840 because a lot of people 312 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,340 would like that but that's a pretty big thing the other 313 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:32,399 thing is then once you're 314 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:37,330 designated you do qualify for a tax credit if you've spent 315 00:14:37,330 --> 00:14:39,240 ten thousand dollars and 316 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,990 within two years of that designation then you can receive 317 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:43,720 half off of your city 318 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:49,049 property taxes I could I'm probably leaving out another way 319 00:14:49,049 --> 00:14:50,519 we could really 320 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:55,269 promote that but they seem to be coming in a good stream 321 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:56,919 now I think there are 322 00:14:56,919 --> 00:14:59,730 two files on my desk of people who didn't want to pay the 323 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:00,600 fee and that was 324 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,179 before I arrived here and then I have at least two pending 325 00:15:05,179 --> 00:15:06,120 I think that property 326 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,279 the month on Egan is interested as well thank you very much 327 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:10,960 the last question I 328 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,049 have is more from a commission standpoint there's some 329 00:15:14,049 --> 00:15:15,000 items that come 330 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,250 to us that we kind of rubber stamp through like consent not 331 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,120 a consent but 332 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,639 the final class and stuff what would cause what should I be 333 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:23,159 looking forward to 334 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:27,200 deny this if it's I mean if it's coming towards from us 335 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,200 from their review I want 336 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,409 to know I'm filtering this decision properly because I don 337 00:15:33,409 --> 00:15:34,080 't want to 338 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,350 question their work it seems like we're good to go I didn't 339 00:15:36,350 --> 00:15:37,200 know if that's kind 340 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,110 of what we should do or if there should be things we're 341 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:43,200 looking at 342 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:59,059 you're absolutely right when you look at this you're 343 00:15:59,059 --> 00:16:00,639 looking at a dual public 344 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,620 hearing process associated with this the historic landmark 345 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:04,679 Commission provides 346 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,100 their recommendation to you to the planning and zoning 347 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:08,000 Commission to then 348 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,269 forward your recommendation to the City Council and 349 00:16:10,269 --> 00:16:11,480 sometimes it looks like an 350 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,649 extra step or an extremist step however the advantage to 351 00:16:14,649 --> 00:16:15,480 that is that the 352 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,610 planning and zoning Commission basically has the 353 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:18,879 opportunity to provide more 354 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,139 insight or more input and typically the planning and zoning 355 00:16:22,139 --> 00:16:23,200 Commission is the 356 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,679 recommending body to the City Council on zoning matters 357 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:29,440 because the historic 358 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,340 districts are in the Denton Development Code the DDC and 359 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:34,480 their special purpose 360 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,090 district or overlay district the special purpose districts 361 00:16:37,090 --> 00:16:37,759 any changes or 362 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:40,259 amendments or additions to that warrant than the public 363 00:16:40,259 --> 00:16:41,399 hearing process because 364 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,529 we also have an H designation with historic landmark design 365 00:16:44,529 --> 00:16:45,159 ations and 366 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,250 that's why although sometimes it does seem like an extr 367 00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:49,919 aneous step it actually 368 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:52,710 just follows the critical path so to speak without the 369 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:54,440 criticalness associated 370 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,990 with it when it comes to an approval so it would be a bit 371 00:16:58,990 --> 00:17:00,919 of a yeah that makes 372 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:05,440 perfect sense so this is actually a zoning overlay change 373 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,160 to that specific 374 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,839 process or the property so because we have the overlay 375 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:10,720 district or the 376 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,440 historic districts already established when we or when 377 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,839 there is a request to 378 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:20,160 the city to secure a historic landmark designation that 379 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,400 historic landmark 380 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,099 designation with the eight simple symbol is placed on that 381 00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:25,880 property and as a 382 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,849 result in order to follow the notification process and 383 00:17:28,849 --> 00:17:29,680 transparency 384 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,039 those elements then go through the public hearing process 385 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:32,640 it's a public 386 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,799 hearing not necessarily a change in zoning it's just 387 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:38,039 follows the dual public 388 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:41,720 door public like a zoning case but it's not a zoning case 389 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,079 by law so you do have 390 00:17:43,079 --> 00:17:45,750 discretion there's no ministerial type authority it's a 391 00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:46,880 current discretionary 392 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,930 okay as to whether or not it meets the designation 393 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:50,119 requirements that are laid 394 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,799 out in your AIS and that's why Roman explained those 395 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:54,920 factors or those 396 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,079 criteria associated with it and what fit this category 397 00:17:58,079 --> 00:17:59,680 perfect thank you 398 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:08,880 sure okay thank you and the next item is we're actually 399 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,119 going to take item C 400 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,880 before item B and I will invite Haley's deGrasse up to 401 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:16,880 present 402 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:35,759 good afternoon so this is case DCA 17 one it is a code 403 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:36,799 amendment proposal for 404 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:41,200 the development codes compatibility buffer requirements so 405 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,279 the request 406 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:44,549 before you is to hold a public hearing and consider a 407 00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:45,680 proposed revision of the 408 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,509 development code specifically to amend the requirements in 409 00:18:48,509 --> 00:18:49,640 subchapter 13 that 410 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,880 pertain to compatibility buffers a little bit of background 411 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,799 on this last 412 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,819 April the development review committee and members of the 413 00:18:57,819 --> 00:18:59,000 lean government team 414 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,519 had a process improvement event and as part of that event 415 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:04,240 they developed 416 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,339 several recommendations for areas within sub chapters 13 417 00:19:07,339 --> 00:19:08,400 and 14 the design 418 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,859 criteria and the development code that we could improve 419 00:19:11,859 --> 00:19:13,400 primarily to eliminate 420 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,430 routine waiver requests that come before us and before you 421 00:19:16,430 --> 00:19:18,160 all and time did not 422 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,920 permit them to further flesh out those code amendments and 423 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,480 what they should be 424 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,730 so we're doing that now so this proposal for the buffer 425 00:19:24,730 --> 00:19:26,119 code amendments was 426 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,410 formulated based on their those recommendations as well as 427 00:19:29,410 --> 00:19:30,000 a benchmark 428 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,400 survey of several comparable cities requirements so just to 429 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,039 clarify 430 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:39,099 landscape buffers or compatibility buffers are required to 431 00:19:39,099 --> 00:19:39,599 minimize 432 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:43,240 nuisances such as noise light glare you know that things 433 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,720 generated by parking 434 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,450 and general activity at a site and provide a physical 435 00:19:47,450 --> 00:19:48,640 separate separation 436 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,539 between potentially incompatible uses so these photos are 437 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:53,640 just a couple of 438 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,710 examples in the one on the left you can see there's some 439 00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:59,279 commercial developments 440 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:01,900 that backs up to a neighborhood so there's a little bit of 441 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:02,640 a buffer there 442 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,990 comprised looks like of a fence and some trees and things 443 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:08,319 like that that just 444 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:10,819 provides a separation between those and then the same thing 445 00:20:10,819 --> 00:20:11,640 on the right you can 446 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,089 see a single-family property adjoining a multi-family so 447 00:20:14,089 --> 00:20:14,839 there's a bit of a 448 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:17,539 buffer between them to help minimize you know nuisances 449 00:20:17,539 --> 00:20:18,400 that could be generated 450 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,359 on the more intensive side just a couple more examples here 451 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,000 this is an industrial 452 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,269 use adjoining a single-family use so you see a bit more 453 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:28,359 width there in the buffer 454 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,779 those are fairly new plantings in the aerial photo so they 455 00:20:31,779 --> 00:20:32,519 haven't you know 456 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:35,279 reached their full capacity yet to buffer between there and 457 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:36,079 then that's just 458 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:40,049 a head-on photo to let you see you know how that physical 459 00:20:40,049 --> 00:20:42,559 separation looks so our 460 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:46,279 existing code requirements specify what type of buffers are 461 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:47,079 required in 462 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,559 situations where your uses adjoin each other but it does 463 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:51,480 not specify who's 464 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,750 responsible for installing the buffer so this is our 465 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:55,279 existing buffer matrix you 466 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:58,500 can see if you have a single-family use adjoining a 467 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:00,079 commercial use a type C 468 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:02,769 buffer would be required but it doesn't specify which one 469 00:21:02,769 --> 00:21:03,740 of those parties has 470 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:07,220 to install that buffer and then once you've determined what 471 00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:08,299 type of buffer is 472 00:21:08,299 --> 00:21:11,809 required between your two properties those four types are 473 00:21:11,809 --> 00:21:13,039 further defined in 474 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,690 our requirements so type a and you can see these in the 475 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:16,799 diagram on the right 476 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:20,819 there type a is a six foot high opaque fence of approved 477 00:21:20,819 --> 00:21:22,400 material type B is a 478 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,210 little bit a little bit wider there a 10 foot planting area 479 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:27,359 is required with a 480 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,359 combination of five evergreen and deciduous trees and 30 481 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,079 shrubs for every 482 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:36,430 100 feet type C is then a 15 foot area with six trees and 483 00:21:36,430 --> 00:21:37,880 25 shrubs and type D 484 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,299 is the most intensive buffer and that's a 30 foot planting 485 00:21:41,299 --> 00:21:42,599 area with eight trees 486 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:48,640 and 20 shrubs so the intent of this amendment is to help 487 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,640 further streamline 488 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,180 the development review process by eliminating the need for 489 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:53,000 frequent waivers 490 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,240 that we get to these buffer requirements some examples of 491 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,039 that would be people 492 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:00,539 that were you know want to use a fence or a wall on their 493 00:22:00,539 --> 00:22:01,519 site in place of some 494 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:04,750 of those planting materials or often in the downtown area 495 00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:05,759 we get requests to 496 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:08,220 wave the buffer entirely because lots are so small and cr 497 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:09,079 amped and there just 498 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:11,809 isn't room on a site for you know say a 15 foot planting 499 00:22:11,809 --> 00:22:12,759 area on the side of 500 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:17,500 your property and currently in the code an alternative 501 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:19,119 buffer can be approved by 502 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,119 the director of development services and or often if there 503 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,119 are other waivers 504 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,079 needed we roll it as part of an ADP that comes to you all 505 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:28,319 so our existing buffer 506 00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:30,720 width and composition requirements through the benchmark 507 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,599 analysis showed to 508 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,480 be generally similar to what other nearby cities require 509 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,839 however since we 510 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:38,109 do receive these routine waivers we feel that that 511 00:22:38,109 --> 00:22:39,119 demonstrates a need for 512 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,130 greater flexibility in our requirements so the main 513 00:22:43,130 --> 00:22:44,720 components of the proposed 514 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,569 amendment that you have in your backup are to clarify the 515 00:22:47,569 --> 00:22:48,720 party responsible for 516 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,420 installing the buffer maintain the existing width 517 00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:52,480 requirement since they 518 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,079 were found to be comparable however we want to allow more 519 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:56,160 flexibility in how 520 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,500 buffers are designed and to do that we've introduced a 521 00:22:58,500 --> 00:22:59,359 point system that 522 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,299 I'll discuss in a little more detail and then we also want 523 00:23:02,299 --> 00:23:03,400 to continue to promote 524 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,180 infill and redevelopment by maintaining the current waiver 525 00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:09,240 for buffers within the 526 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,210 infill special purpose district and extending that to waive 527 00:23:13,210 --> 00:23:14,079 the need for 528 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:18,170 buffers within the entire downtown University core zoning 529 00:23:18,170 --> 00:23:19,200 district so to 530 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,839 show you what that looks like the areas in green there are 531 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:23,440 the downtown 532 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,509 University core so that's dr1 dr2 DCN and DCG districts and 533 00:23:28,509 --> 00:23:29,680 then you can see on 534 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,819 the red boundary there would be the infill boundary so 535 00:23:31,819 --> 00:23:32,519 there is a lot of 536 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,660 overlap between them but we just want to you know make sure 537 00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:35,440 all of the downtown 538 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:41,759 area is covered so I mentioned a point system so within the 539 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:42,559 proposed amendment 540 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:46,690 once the use is assigned a width based on you know the 10 541 00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:49,200 15 30 foot rules that 542 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,779 we discussed earlier and within that buffer yard width a 543 00:23:52,779 --> 00:23:54,079 property has to earn 544 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:56,910 a designated number of points so you can see here single- 545 00:23:56,910 --> 00:23:58,039 family and agricultural 546 00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:01,630 require 10 points multifamily would be 20 30 for commercial 547 00:24:01,630 --> 00:24:02,359 commercial and 548 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,990 institutional uses and then 50 for industrial to acquire 549 00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:07,079 those points 550 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:10,079 there is a second table that provides different options for 551 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:10,960 buffer elements 552 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,930 and different point values assigned to them so the more 553 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:16,559 intensive elements would 554 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:20,079 obtain you more points there's options for fencing masonry 555 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:21,519 walls providing 556 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,220 additional buffer width and then several options for 557 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:25,440 providing combinations of 558 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,130 shrubs and trees and there is a provision that if a buffer 559 00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:28,880 requires two 560 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,039 or more elements if it's doing plantings we need to see a 561 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:31,960 combination of trees 562 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,519 and shrubs to provide variations in canopy height so to 563 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,039 give you an example 564 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,640 of how this would work if we have a commercial use that's 565 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,279 developing 566 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,349 adjoining a single-family use and say they have 200 feet of 567 00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:45,240 shared property 568 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,329 line under the existing code they would be assigned a type 569 00:24:48,329 --> 00:24:49,319 C buffer requirement 570 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,049 so they would provide a 15 foot wide area with a 571 00:24:52,049 --> 00:24:53,799 combination of six trees and 572 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:57,109 25 shrubs and that would equate to of course 12 trees and 573 00:24:57,109 --> 00:24:58,119 50 shrubs total for 574 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,369 the width or for the length under this proposal they would 575 00:25:01,369 --> 00:25:02,279 we maintain that 15 576 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,059 foot width requirement but they would have multiple options 577 00:25:05,059 --> 00:25:05,839 for how they can 578 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,240 pose that buffer to obtain the 30 points that would be 579 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,519 required and so there are 580 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:13,369 several potential combinations I've listed three of them 581 00:25:13,369 --> 00:25:14,319 here that would be 582 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,289 possibilities for them so you can see it gives a little 583 00:25:17,289 --> 00:25:19,440 more flexibility and what 584 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,539 they put in that if a wall better suits their site versus 585 00:25:22,539 --> 00:25:23,480 you know a large 586 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,319 combination of trees and shrubs they could do that or it 587 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:27,559 could be all 588 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:30,359 planting materials and would just provide variations in 589 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,240 canopy height to 590 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,940 provide full coverage and so just to give you an example of 591 00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:36,920 what these 592 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,309 elements look like all put together just this diagram shows 593 00:25:40,309 --> 00:25:41,119 you know how a 594 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,259 fencing and variations and planting heights could provide 595 00:25:44,259 --> 00:25:45,000 an effective 596 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,220 buffer between two uses so that photo kind of shows the 597 00:25:48,220 --> 00:25:49,279 same thing as the 598 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,140 diagram there just to give you an idea of what all of that 599 00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:51,759 could look like 600 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:56,400 together and we did send up public notification about these 601 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:56,680 through the 602 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,680 newspaper earlier this month and at this point I will say 603 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,039 we recommend approval 604 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:05,960 of this and answer any questions you might have. 605 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:14,519 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair. Hi Haley. How with the 606 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:16,099 point system do they 607 00:26:16,099 --> 00:26:18,559 have to be approved with how they put that together or are 608 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:19,319 we just letting 609 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,039 them put that together and come up with their own points? 610 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,119 During their site plan 611 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,200 they would submit what they're proposing to meet those 612 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,319 points requirements and 613 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,359 then the planners would review that with the landscape 614 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,279 administrator and make 615 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,980 sure that it seems like a workable combination of things 616 00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:32,880 that they've put 617 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,549 together there. So it's part of this the site plan approval 618 00:26:35,549 --> 00:26:37,079 at that point? Okay. I 619 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:42,019 think I had another I made several notes as I was reading 620 00:26:42,019 --> 00:26:45,079 this. Biggest one is is 621 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:50,059 the last state the last statement on page four of the 622 00:26:50,059 --> 00:26:52,480 proposed rewrite seems 623 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,880 really confusing to me that paragraph. I you know we're set 624 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,799 to clarify these 625 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:06,089 buffers and then we put in this paragraph that says but if 626 00:27:06,089 --> 00:27:07,000 you want to 627 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,329 circumvent this here's an option for you. I was can you 628 00:27:11,329 --> 00:27:13,240 tell me how that came to 629 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,589 be written in there? Yeah so that is a provision that's in 630 00:27:16,589 --> 00:27:17,680 something very 631 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,339 similar to that statement is in the current code and so all 632 00:27:21,339 --> 00:27:22,319 that would be an 633 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:24,430 instance is where you know if the width couldn't be met or 634 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:25,279 something like that 635 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,549 an alternative could still be proposed you know say if they 636 00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:29,440 can meet the point 637 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,420 requirements but they can't give us the full 30 foot of 638 00:27:31,420 --> 00:27:32,240 width or something like 639 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,069 that it provides a provision for us to be able to approve 640 00:27:35,069 --> 00:27:36,599 some alternative so 641 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,539 long as it meets the intensity that we're seeking with this 642 00:27:39,539 --> 00:27:40,039 . Does that make 643 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:45,069 sense? It makes sense it just it's just well it's set up 644 00:27:45,069 --> 00:27:46,599 for yeah to circumvent 645 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:51,730 the whole thing I think the way it's written. Yeah we can 646 00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:53,359 take another look at 647 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,630 that but that that is a statement that we currently have in 648 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:56,279 the code and that's 649 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,990 how alternative buffers are proposed is by bringing in 650 00:27:59,990 --> 00:28:01,119 their best effort to meet 651 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,579 the code and if they can't do that then we'll take a closer 652 00:28:03,579 --> 00:28:04,440 look and you know 653 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,990 the director can approve some alternative. Yes yes member 654 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,160 Ellis could 655 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,940 you tell me again for the record what page that was on? It 656 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:15,920 's on the 657 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:22,299 proposed copy in our material so it's on on page 4 of that 658 00:28:22,299 --> 00:28:25,319 PDF and it's item 4. 659 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,700 Yeah because on the screen it's different from what's in I 660 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:35,160 believe online 661 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,210 for people to look at at home. I can read that out if that 662 00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:38,799 would be helpful. 663 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:44,549 Yeah that would be great. Okay so it's would be item 35 13 664 00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:47,079 8 e 4 it says for developments 665 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,529 with required buffers an alternative buffer may be provided 666 00:28:49,529 --> 00:28:49,960 with the 667 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,920 authorization of the director of development services or 668 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,039 designee if the 669 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,910 proposed width and combination of elephant elements meet 670 00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:57,599 the intent of 671 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,269 mitigating or minimizing potential nuisances as described 672 00:29:00,269 --> 00:29:01,000 in the purpose 673 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:11,480 statement in this section. Commissioner Roselle. Two 674 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,119 questions you mentioned that 675 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:18,259 it seemed like our current structure is is in line with 676 00:29:18,259 --> 00:29:20,240 what other cities use is 677 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,240 that correct? Yes generally the the requirements we have 678 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,279 for width and the 679 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,809 items that go in a buffer are generally consistent there's 680 00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:28,640 a lot of variation 681 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,609 across cities but in general you know ours fell in range 682 00:29:32,609 --> 00:29:33,400 with what other 683 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,029 cities were doing. Are any other cities doing a point 684 00:29:36,029 --> 00:29:38,839 system? Yeah this was 685 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,309 formulated based on Austin and Fort Worth both have very 686 00:29:41,309 --> 00:29:42,359 similar systems and 687 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,089 so we devised a variation of that that we thought would 688 00:29:45,089 --> 00:29:46,839 work here in Denton. And 689 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:51,970 then if I understood the current is a matrix so if it's a 690 00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:53,000 residential to 691 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,750 industrial that's a A, B, or C, A, B, C, or D the new one 692 00:29:57,750 --> 00:30:03,200 doesn't have a matrix. Is that correct? No it designates 693 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,519 just based on the type of use what style of buffer would be 694 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:07,359 required. 695 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:12,430 But it only you only do that if the adjacent zoning was 696 00:30:12,430 --> 00:30:14,839 different correct? Yes. 697 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,259 So if someone is building an industrial property regardless 698 00:30:18,259 --> 00:30:19,079 of the different 699 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,430 zoning around it it requires 50 points period. Yes yeah 700 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:23,720 that's that's what we're 701 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,359 proposing it would be a commercial next to single-family 702 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:28,799 multi-family or you 703 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,150 know a different type of use category. Can you show the 704 00:30:31,150 --> 00:30:31,960 grid what would an 705 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:38,960 industrial to commercial be right now is that a type D? So 706 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640 in that situation 707 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,109 they're having to double the requirement? The width yes 708 00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:46,079 would double and that 709 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,930 would be a case where we can consider an alternative if 710 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:50,200 they if they chose to go 711 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,099 that route. So that brings up a maybe a concern I have is 712 00:30:54,099 --> 00:30:56,000 we have a matrix that 713 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,549 seems pretty sufficient for different uses because it makes 714 00:31:01,549 --> 00:31:02,759 sense to me if 715 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,769 industrial is going to get single-family D but industrial 716 00:31:05,769 --> 00:31:07,839 to commercial being B 717 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,880 also seems to make sense to me because it's it's not a 718 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,279 single-family property 719 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,279 but now under the current system it's not gonna be that way 720 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:16,200 and it almost sounds 721 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,240 like it's built in well previously we could do a B so we'll 722 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,039 just go ahead and 723 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,839 do an alternative and Commissioner Ellis's point it's kind 724 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,319 of built in we 725 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:24,829 can we can go ahead and downgrade those and if we're 726 00:31:24,829 --> 00:31:26,720 already thinking about or 727 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,470 if I just brought up and the thought is now being talked 728 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:30,480 about that in that 729 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,289 situation we can go ahead and downgrade to a B then I have 730 00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:35,319 some concerns about 731 00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:41,029 not continuing the matrix it seems like I just lost it 732 00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:43,480 there is five different 733 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:49,039 point rows that it's not loading yeah there's five or point 734 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:50,740 rows now and there 735 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:57,059 was four different types it seems like maybe we should have 736 00:31:57,059 --> 00:31:58,440 five types and 737 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,990 continue with with a matrix and have well even two of those 738 00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:03,200 are ten points so 739 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,829 it seems like we can send you with an ABCD okay matrix and 740 00:32:08,829 --> 00:32:10,119 if it's a it's ten 741 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:13,059 points B it's 20 points and so forth rather than already 742 00:32:13,059 --> 00:32:13,980 kind of having this 743 00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:18,480 built in well if it's industrial versus commercial 50 seems 744 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,680 it is seemed like a 745 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,029 lot that seems counterintuitive to streamline in this 746 00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:24,640 process certainly we 747 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,440 can we can consider that 748 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:32,990 Commissioner Sullivan thank you looking at the applic 749 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:37,440 ability and number one 750 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,220 where says the mode the more intensive use category must 751 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:42,599 provide the buffer 752 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,579 when two or more go back to the first of the sentence with 753 00:32:45,579 --> 00:32:46,240 two or more 754 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,500 non-residential uses from different categories a joy and 755 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:50,640 the more intensive 756 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:57,910 use category must provide the buffer so that would seem if 757 00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:59,720 a less intensive 758 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,680 business category wants to come in and develop property 759 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,640 with a category that's 760 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,049 already there that's going to require the people the people 761 00:33:11,049 --> 00:33:11,480 already there 762 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,759 provide the buffer no the the existing property wouldn't be 763 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:16,640 required to provide 764 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,740 a buffer retroactively but that's not what it says is there 765 00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:23,359 am I reading it 766 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:27,980 wrong are you looking at just to make sure on the same page 767 00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:28,759 a one is that the 768 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:35,980 correct item a one yes yes the last sentence seems to 769 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:37,319 reflect that the most 770 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:41,569 intensive of the two are going to be required to put the 771 00:33:41,569 --> 00:33:43,440 buffer in it yes 772 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,960 that would be the case yeah and that would be if a property 773 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,559 is vacant so this 774 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,130 is for developing properties not you know we wouldn't be 775 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:53,880 retroactive to 776 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,849 existing developments this would be if say an industrial 777 00:33:57,849 --> 00:33:59,160 use is coming in and 778 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,759 the adjoining property is vacant and zone commercial then 779 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:02,680 the industrial use 780 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,980 would provide it rather than waiting for the other property 781 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:10,440 to develop I'm 782 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,869 confused if I mean so we already know what the category is 783 00:34:15,869 --> 00:34:16,559 going to be 784 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,909 whenever a business comes in or can they come in with the 785 00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:22,519 opportunity to change 786 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,679 that category well it's based on the zoning designations 787 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:26,480 would be at like an 788 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,230 industrial zoning next to a commercial zoning is what the 789 00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,239 use is based on so 790 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,039 let me jump in so for example if you have two vacant pieces 791 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,440 of property and 792 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,090 you want to develop one industrial and one commercial the 793 00:34:43,090 --> 00:34:44,679 if say and you're 794 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,250 doing the industrial first they would put the buffer in to 795 00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:50,199 buffer for the 796 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:55,269 commercial development but say you have an already 797 00:34:55,269 --> 00:34:57,760 established multifamily unit 798 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,469 and then a single-family residence wants to come in next to 799 00:35:01,469 --> 00:35:02,599 it then the single 800 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:05,360 family would put the put the wall in because they came in 801 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,440 later does that 802 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,420 make sense so the okay I just want to make sure the 803 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:10,840 existing business or 804 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,619 structure is not required to do something just because 805 00:35:14,619 --> 00:35:15,880 somebody decides 806 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,670 to move in and build something next to them correct okay I 807 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:20,559 just it just seemed 808 00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,719 like that wasn't what that said so if that's what it says 809 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:24,719 okay all right 810 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,639 thank you and run sure I think Commissioner Tyler was next 811 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:30,679 thank you 812 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,920 chair so I wanted to echo some of the concerns that 813 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,519 Commissioner was all 814 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:41,739 pointed out I am this this point system doesn't allow it 815 00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:42,800 requires the same 816 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,219 buffer industrial a single family as industrial a 817 00:35:45,219 --> 00:35:46,400 commercial and a lot of 818 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,849 times commercial can be very close to industrial and we 819 00:35:48,849 --> 00:35:50,480 probably don't need a 820 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,769 very large vegetative barrier with fences and walls and so 821 00:35:54,769 --> 00:35:56,440 forth so so I do 822 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,829 think a matrix of points or you take your points and you 823 00:36:00,829 --> 00:36:02,599 subtract the points 824 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,559 of the thing next to you and so industrial a commercial 825 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:06,760 equals 20 points 826 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,340 or something I don't know I don't know how complex you want 827 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:08,840 to make it or if 828 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,099 you just want to stick in a little a little grid just to 829 00:36:12,099 --> 00:36:13,539 kind of keep the 830 00:36:13,539 --> 00:36:16,159 fairness to not require because industrial the single 831 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:16,880 family is very 832 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,010 different from industrial to a commercial use that could be 833 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:21,920 pretty close to 834 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,739 industrial certainly we can we can look at a way to use the 835 00:36:25,739 --> 00:36:27,159 current matrix and 836 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:31,480 modify it to meet the system yeah and I wanted to just 837 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,519 clarify that that last 838 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:36,099 clause that the waiver clause the exempt the exemption 839 00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:38,119 clause right now you said 840 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:42,320 that's being used pretty frequently because a development 841 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,559 might not be able 842 00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,949 to build a class C and so they have if they're five feet 843 00:36:45,949 --> 00:36:47,039 too narrow they have to 844 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:51,099 apply to the waiver to the yes sir and do you have an idea 845 00:36:51,099 --> 00:36:51,880 of about how many 846 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,320 cases a month or year right now they're processed kind of 847 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,360 you know just as a part 848 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,340 of the site plan or something like that so we don't have a 849 00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:00,239 way of tracking those 850 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,219 because they're not a specific type of application that we 851 00:37:02,219 --> 00:37:02,880 could you know pull 852 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,269 a report for so I wasn't able to pull that data but just 853 00:37:07,269 --> 00:37:08,199 anecdotally we have 854 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,469 you know discussing it with other planners and people that 855 00:37:10,469 --> 00:37:10,920 have been in 856 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,400 the department for a while it is a frequent issue that 857 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,840 arises and so this is 858 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,360 like you're going through your site plan approval it's 859 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,239 impossible to meet your 860 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,579 required class C buffer and so now you have to do it write 861 00:37:22,579 --> 00:37:23,760 a separate letter 862 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,940 basically to the head of development services and say here 863 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:27,760 's why can I please 864 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,719 have a waiver yes and that gets approved so kind of puts 865 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,519 you back a couple weeks 866 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:34,539 it does yeah because it takes a while you know they they 867 00:37:34,539 --> 00:37:35,679 bring us their best 868 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,090 effort and you know if it can't work sometimes they do they 869 00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:38,719 write up a letter 870 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,510 or send in some sort of proposal to us and we have to take 871 00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:42,559 it to the director 872 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:44,900 and get that approved or it gets rolled in with an ADP if 873 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:45,880 they're requesting 874 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,039 other waivers so this isn't going to be any different than 875 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:49,639 that like it just 876 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,119 hopefully they'll have a menu to pick from and they'll run 877 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:52,920 into the problem 878 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,769 less often that's our goal is providing more options would 879 00:37:55,769 --> 00:37:56,880 lessen those requests 880 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,789 and one final question on the the trees for example on this 881 00:38:01,789 --> 00:38:03,119 on industrial 882 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,539 buffers that require lots of points could they do something 883 00:38:06,539 --> 00:38:07,559 like two lines 884 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,539 of large trees in their 30-foot buffer and get ten points 885 00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:11,519 for this one and ten 886 00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,679 points for that one yes they could you know kind of mix and 887 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:15,440 match that as they 888 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,010 need to and we would just have our landscape administrator 889 00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:18,719 you know look at 890 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,800 that and make sure it seems like those could both grow to 891 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,679 their full potential 892 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:23,949 and have enough room there if that's what they chose to do 893 00:38:23,949 --> 00:38:25,039 okay thank you 894 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,269 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I just wanted to 895 00:38:28,269 --> 00:38:29,760 circle back to Commissioner 896 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,920 Sullivan's questions I don't make sure I understand this 897 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,400 currently if the 898 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,360 property is being built and there is a vacant lot next to 899 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,440 it with a different 900 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,409 category is that development required to put in a buffer at 901 00:38:42,409 --> 00:38:43,880 construction is that 902 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:50,800 currently procedure they put a buffer onto a vacant lot or 903 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,039 between their 904 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,360 property in a vacant lot we require a buffer at that time 905 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,239 yes the current code 906 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,550 says when an abutting property is vacant the land use 907 00:38:57,550 --> 00:38:58,760 category designation of the 908 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,510 vacant abutting property will determine the type of buffer 909 00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:02,519 required on that side 910 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,579 of the property at the time of development it's the current 911 00:39:05,579 --> 00:39:06,320 clause and 912 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:14,250 that is under a four in the red line version okay I just 913 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:14,880 want to make sure 914 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,230 that's currently happening so we don't get into a situation 915 00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:17,760 which a less 916 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,639 intensive unit comes in and the more intensive property is 917 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,920 being retroactively 918 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,659 required to put in the buffer but that's our new code that 919 00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:32,239 's perfect any other 920 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,559 questions 921 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,380 then we've had a lot of questions we might have to have 922 00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:40,360 some more around this 923 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,900 let's get some this cleared out but anyway thank you for 924 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:47,880 your presentation 925 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,960 so we're back on item 5B and I'll invite Julie White to 926 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,840 talk about parking 927 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:12,420 all right I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city and 928 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,159 I am presenting to you 929 00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:19,139 some proposed code amendments that relate to parking so the 930 00:40:19,139 --> 00:40:20,280 request is to 931 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,150 consider a proposed revision of the DDC to specifically 932 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:24,559 amend sub chapters 13 933 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,260 and 14 as they pertain to the parking requirements so 934 00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:30,280 during that same process 935 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,440 improvement event some some issues with the parking 936 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,559 regulations came up and at 937 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,710 this time we're now working through those so just a little 938 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:40,519 bit of background 939 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:44,190 about how the DDC works parking is addressed in sub 940 00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:46,639 chapters 13 and 14 sub 941 00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:51,030 chapter 13 mostly deals with the design requirements of 942 00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:52,079 parking lots the 943 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,710 landscaping and that sort of those sort of issues and then 944 00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:57,119 sub chapter 14 945 00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,960 discusses the parking ratios the the location some of the 946 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,039 location of the 947 00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:05,570 parking and then how the specific parking is is put 948 00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:06,840 together so so it's 949 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,079 spread out over two chapters sub chapters and then further 950 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:10,679 more in sub 951 00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,190 chapter 13 parking requirements are kind of sprinkled 952 00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:15,519 throughout the sub chapter 953 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,610 so they're there in site design and then they're in some 954 00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:19,920 some access areas so 955 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,769 it's kind of sprinkled throughout sub chapter 13 the intent 956 00:41:22,769 --> 00:41:23,400 of these 957 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,750 amendments is to provide clarity to critical portions of 958 00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:27,679 the DDC that are 959 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,619 subject to routine variance requests and you're probably 960 00:41:30,619 --> 00:41:31,679 familiar with those 961 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:34,639 those are those are those alternative development plans 962 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:36,079 that give the Planning 963 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,449 and Zoning Commission discretion on some of the design 964 00:41:38,449 --> 00:41:39,559 considerations in sub 965 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:44,469 chapter 13 the intent is also to improve the process by 966 00:41:44,469 --> 00:41:46,360 allowing some structured 967 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,909 administrative approvals so thereby reducing the time for 968 00:41:49,909 --> 00:41:50,800 development so 969 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,769 putting into some of the design considerations elements 970 00:41:54,769 --> 00:41:56,239 from those ADPs 971 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,039 that we see so that it allows staff to approve those and so 972 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,280 they can move forward 973 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,800 more quickly we formulated these based upon some benchmark 974 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,000 analysis of similar 975 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,789 cities and evaluation of the current review process and 976 00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:12,079 then an examination 977 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,860 of what kind of ADPs we see so we're going to go over a 978 00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:17,719 summary of what's 979 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,559 what's before you so when we're in terms of sub chapter 13 980 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:25,000 where the proposal is 981 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,429 first for flexibility for parking in front of commercial 982 00:42:28,429 --> 00:42:29,280 buildings in 983 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,630 suburban areas and that includes the parking lot screening 984 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:33,760 to require storm 985 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,199 water runoff treatment through ice swim techniques on all 986 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:38,519 new parking lots and 987 00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,929 expanded parking lots to modify the parking lot landscaping 988 00:42:41,929 --> 00:42:42,920 requirements to 989 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,579 be less vague a little more certainty and where we want the 990 00:42:45,579 --> 00:42:46,639 plantings and and and 991 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,260 what they should look like and then to make sub chapter 13 992 00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:52,719 function a little 993 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,949 better by relocating all of those general parking lot 994 00:42:55,949 --> 00:42:57,119 design requirements 995 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,219 to one sort of central location within sub chapter 13 in 996 00:43:01,219 --> 00:43:03,679 sub chapter 14 we're 997 00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,030 proposing to clarify the CBD parking exemption also add 998 00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:08,360 some specificity to 999 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,840 the parking requirements for residential development in the 1000 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,760 CBD to remove the 1001 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,949 maximum parking provision while addressing those concerns 1002 00:43:15,949 --> 00:43:16,679 that so often 1003 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,469 come before you and then increase the permitted distance 1004 00:43:20,469 --> 00:43:21,440 between development 1005 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,489 and off-site parking from 300 feet to a thousand feet and 1006 00:43:24,489 --> 00:43:25,780 then require bicycle 1007 00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:29,380 parking for all new development so we're going to talk 1008 00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:30,039 about our 1009 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,349 considerations we're going to talk about and then I'm going 1010 00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:32,960 to try to show you 1011 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,400 what what that means I know the red lines sort of make 1012 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,400 everyone's eyes go 1013 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,340 crossed so we're going to work through it together and if 1014 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:42,360 you have any questions 1015 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,320 we'll we'll address those so here we go so the variances to 1016 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,239 address sub chapter 1017 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,989 13 requirements and and for front parking are routinely 1018 00:43:52,989 --> 00:43:53,679 approved by the 1019 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:58,380 PNZ and the analysis points that we look at when we when we 1020 00:43:58,380 --> 00:43:59,519 're when we're 1021 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,610 going through the review process of those is first of all 1022 00:44:02,610 --> 00:44:03,519 environmental 1023 00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:07,360 concerns and then second of all the visual impacts when we 1024 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,019 look at an 1025 00:44:08,019 --> 00:44:10,559 alternative development plan we try to look at the intent 1026 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:11,400 of why those code 1027 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,610 requirements are there why is the parking maximum there why 1028 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:15,119 are with why 1029 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:18,840 is there a prohibition against front parking and and those 1030 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,800 are the two the 1031 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,769 two elements we look at most often when we're talking about 1032 00:44:23,769 --> 00:44:25,199 parking maximums 1033 00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:30,000 we're looking at pollutants within the storm water that are 1034 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,119 created by the 1035 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,539 excess parking and then for visual impacts large parking 1036 00:44:34,539 --> 00:44:35,480 areas do have 1037 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,980 visual impacts particularly when they're adjacent to the 1038 00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:39,800 right-of-way so so those 1039 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,769 are the two elements we typically look at with the ADPs 1040 00:44:43,769 --> 00:44:45,840 this proposal just goes 1041 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,449 ahead and codifies those common conditions that we put on 1042 00:44:49,449 --> 00:44:50,119 those ADP 1043 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,500 approvals so we have these issues that we want the code to 1044 00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:54,800 address we're just 1045 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,599 going to go ahead and and put in the code what we want to 1046 00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,199 address those issues 1047 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:05,239 so so how we're proposing to do that is to go ahead and 1048 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,400 require iSWIM be be 1049 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,920 implemented in all new parking areas and their parking 1050 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,639 areas that are subject to 1051 00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,420 subject to the expansion applicability table and that that 1052 00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:19,320 includes treating 1053 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,199 the first endeavor of may correct me the first one and a 1054 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:23,360 half inches of water 1055 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,920 quality volume during a rain event so we didn't specify 1056 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,159 what those iSWIM what 1057 00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:35,489 what technique they should use land development and each 1058 00:45:35,489 --> 00:45:36,559 parcel is somewhat 1059 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,030 different and we don't necessarily know what iSWIM 1060 00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:41,480 technique would work for 1061 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,750 which parcel so we've kind of left that up to the developer 1062 00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:44,599 of how they want to 1063 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,469 treat that water quality volume but we do require that it 1064 00:45:47,469 --> 00:45:48,360 be treated and they'd 1065 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,949 be maintained in accordance with the industry standards and 1066 00:45:50,949 --> 00:45:51,360 the best 1067 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,230 practices and then we're also proposing that they ensure 1068 00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:57,000 adequate landscaping to 1069 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,480 mute those visual impacts of the of the parking areas so 1070 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,000 let's just take a look 1071 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,780 at iSWIM these are some of the things that could be 1072 00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:07,880 implemented as part of the 1073 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,440 iSWIM as part of the stormwater treatment y'all may have 1074 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,360 heard us talk 1075 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,010 about gray and green solutions with iSWIM green being the 1076 00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:17,239 plantings and the 1077 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,989 way the site is designed in order to for the the landscape 1078 00:46:21,989 --> 00:46:23,119 areas to filter the 1079 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,409 water so those are the green solutions and and for that we 1080 00:46:26,409 --> 00:46:27,960 see areas bioswales 1081 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,659 we see we see sawtooth cuts in the curbs where the water 1082 00:46:32,659 --> 00:46:34,119 can drain to the 1083 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,320 landscape areas and provide filtrate natural filtration for 1084 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,119 the stormwater 1085 00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,750 and then we also see gray solutions we see technological 1086 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:43,039 solutions to these 1087 00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:49,360 recently you saw QT add the inlet filters the buckets that 1088 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:49,880 filter the 1089 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,630 water we've seen other developments use other types of 1090 00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:55,880 technological solutions 1091 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,230 so that would be up to the development and that would be 1092 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:59,239 reviewed at the site 1093 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:05,599 plan process as a corollary to the to the the landscaping 1094 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,559 that we want to mute 1095 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,909 the visual effects of parking we want to make sure that we 1096 00:47:10,909 --> 00:47:12,199 are clear about what 1097 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,070 kind of landscaping we want and where we want it our 1098 00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:17,519 current code states that 1099 00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:21,360 seven percent of the parking area has to be landscaped and 1100 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,039 15 percent has to be 1101 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,539 under tree canopy but and it says it's got to be 1102 00:47:25,539 --> 00:47:27,000 distributed evenly throughout 1103 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,849 the parking area but that's that's kind of vague and it's 1104 00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:31,280 you know where's the 1105 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,869 where's that dividing line between parking lot landscaping 1106 00:47:33,869 --> 00:47:34,599 and other types 1107 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,980 of landscaping so it's it can make it difficult can create 1108 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:39,280 additional reviews 1109 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,769 for for site plan process or building permit it can just 1110 00:47:43,769 --> 00:47:45,039 provide uncertainty 1111 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:48,880 for the developer so we wanted to be more specific and in 1112 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,280 that case we're 1113 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,469 looking at propose we're proposing parking lot landscaping 1114 00:47:54,469 --> 00:47:55,519 islands every 1115 00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,510 seven parking spaces that are sufficiently sized in order 1116 00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:59,719 to 1117 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,710 accommodate two trees and we've determined that as kind of 1118 00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:04,400 a short hand 1119 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,110 two parking spaces so the landscape island needs to be the 1120 00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:08,880 size of two 1121 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,679 parking spaces and that it's got to be planted with two 1122 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:14,480 trees and you can see 1123 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,449 here this is actually in the proposed amendment that they 1124 00:48:18,449 --> 00:48:19,119 can they can 1125 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,909 configure those parking spaces what works best for their 1126 00:48:21,909 --> 00:48:22,760 site they can either 1127 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,050 do them long ways or wide but that would a permit permit 1128 00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:29,639 them to plant the large 1129 00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:33,550 canopy trees so we can get sufficient tree canopy in the 1130 00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:35,639 parking areas while 1131 00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:39,320 providing where we actually want it also within the 1132 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,000 proposed amendment so here 1133 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,309 would be a depiction of what those parking lot landscape 1134 00:48:45,309 --> 00:48:46,000 islands would look 1135 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,739 like there's also a provision in your backup and the red 1136 00:48:49,739 --> 00:48:51,039 line that they could 1137 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,849 instead of the parking lot islands provide a landscape 1138 00:48:54,849 --> 00:48:56,599 median and that 1139 00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,239 median would be eight feet wide once again to provide 1140 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,320 sufficient room for 1141 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,480 those trees to grow to their potential it would need to be 1142 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,679 a permeable surface 1143 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:06,989 so rainwater could get through it and it would be 1144 00:49:06,989 --> 00:49:08,840 considered a landscape area and 1145 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,510 then they would need to plant a large canopy tree every 30 1146 00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:13,559 feet in order to 1147 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,610 provide sufficient canopy for that parking lot area in 1148 00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:17,599 addition to those 1149 00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:22,010 just like the current code now in caps would be required in 1150 00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:23,800 order to control 1151 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,369 the access throughout the development if they do want to 1152 00:49:26,369 --> 00:49:27,679 count those in caps as 1153 00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:31,650 landscape islands there would need to be sufficient area 1154 00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:32,800 within those in caps in 1155 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,800 order to support the trees and what does that look like so 1156 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,480 what what's what are 1157 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,309 we wanting to accomplish here and these are these are 1158 00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:45,559 parking lots that do 1159 00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:49,590 have parking lot can it or a tree canopy and landscape that 1160 00:49:49,590 --> 00:49:51,039 is kind of what we'd 1161 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:58,449 like to see and here's another here's a a development that 1162 00:49:58,449 --> 00:49:59,280 has the landscape 1163 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,619 islands you can see there the they're the dual like we're 1164 00:50:02,619 --> 00:50:03,960 proposing they have 1165 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,739 two trees and then here is here's one that doesn't so you 1166 00:50:07,739 --> 00:50:09,039 can see the visual 1167 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,090 difference and and what we want to see and then you know 1168 00:50:13,090 --> 00:50:14,639 how it could develop 1169 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,639 if you don't have specificity on where you want the parking 1170 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:18,599 lot islands to go 1171 00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:22,659 and I should I should I should just state the current code 1172 00:50:22,659 --> 00:50:24,280 does require parking 1173 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,500 lot islands every 10 parking spaces if you have front 1174 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:28,840 parking but if you have 1175 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,309 side parking or rear parking there is no requirement for 1176 00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:33,860 landscape islands so we 1177 00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:38,320 want to make that a requirement for all parking areas 1178 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:44,639 another proposed amendment that we're putting forward is 1179 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,599 currently we if if a 1180 00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:50,570 development does want to install parking in front of a 1181 00:50:50,570 --> 00:50:52,239 building they have to 1182 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,920 screen that parking with a 15-foot landscape area when when 1183 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,679 the 1184 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,909 development is on a text dot right-of-way that has to be 1185 00:51:01,909 --> 00:51:03,039 located outside 1186 00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,639 of the public utility easement we have a lot of text dot 1187 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,159 roads within the city of 1188 00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:13,739 Denton and our our requirements is that our requirement our 1189 00:51:13,739 --> 00:51:16,079 code requires a 20 1190 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,860 foot PUE outside of the right-of-way on a text dot road so 1191 00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:20,960 you would have the 1192 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,940 right-of-way line you would have a 20 foot public utility 1193 00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:24,920 easement and from 1194 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,599 there you would start your 15 foot landscape area so that 1195 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,400 takes 35 feet out 1196 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,130 of developable area and it pushes it pushes the development 1197 00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:35,000 back away from 1198 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,309 the street and really what we want is the development to 1199 00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:38,039 come forward and 1200 00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:41,210 define that street edge that's the kind of good design we 1201 00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:42,360 want to see but this 1202 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,090 requirement is kind of pushing it further back so we're 1203 00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:47,760 proposing to to 1204 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,000 remove that minimum landscape area and more in favor of a 1205 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,039 like the buffer system 1206 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,809 like the buffers that are proposed a point system where we 1207 00:51:57,809 --> 00:51:58,800 get the screening 1208 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,679 we get the the the planting material we want that defines 1209 00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:03,800 the street that 1210 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,280 screens the parking but they can do it in a in an area that 1211 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,599 is sufficient for 1212 00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,570 that planting and not necessarily on a specific amount of 1213 00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:13,760 property so let's 1214 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,599 just take a look and see how that functions so here's a 1215 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:18,719 property within the 1216 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,349 city of Denton if they did want to develop it is on I-35 so 1217 00:52:22,349 --> 00:52:23,039 that's a text 1218 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,519 dot road and it would require a 20 foot PUE in front of it 1219 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,000 and then from there 1220 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,130 they would have to have the 15 foot landscape area so all 1221 00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:34,079 this area in pink 1222 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,079 would be dedicated to that and could not be developed so it 1223 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,440 would it would 1224 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,860 inhibit the ability for this smaller parcel to to develop 1225 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:44,079 in a way that would 1226 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:49,840 that would make sense for them so what we're proposing is 1227 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,880 for for properties is 1228 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,300 to take away that 15 feet and have the screening elements 1229 00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:56,719 that each property 1230 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,309 when they develop they have to get 20 points out of the 1231 00:53:00,309 --> 00:53:01,800 screening elements in 1232 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,840 order to appropriately screen the property parking lot 1233 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,760 these are the same 1234 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,139 things that are currently included in that 15 foot area 1235 00:53:10,139 --> 00:53:11,239 within the DDC they're 1236 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,659 modified a little bit and I can point those out to you but 1237 00:53:13,659 --> 00:53:14,079 they're they're 1238 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,019 really the same things they're just they can compact them a 1239 00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:18,400 little bit reclaim a 1240 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,710 little more a bit of their property you still get you can 1241 00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:21,559 still get something 1242 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,590 like this where it defines the street edge it looks great 1243 00:53:24,590 --> 00:53:25,599 and it screens the 1244 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,179 parking area but they can do it in a little more compact 1245 00:53:28,179 --> 00:53:29,800 way those screening 1246 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,230 elements include a landscape berm large canopy tree planted 1247 00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:35,559 every 40 linear 1248 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,099 feet and this can also count toward their street tree 1249 00:53:38,099 --> 00:53:40,119 requirements of three 1250 00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:44,530 small accent trees clustered every 30 feet a three foot 1251 00:53:44,530 --> 00:53:46,760 high hedge of evergreen 1252 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,630 shrubs this is one one change right now it could be it 1253 00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:51,079 could be a monoculture it 1254 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:55,559 could be all the same head shrubs we're proposing that only 1255 00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:56,719 50% can be of the 1256 00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,480 same species and so they would need to to to change that up 1257 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,519 a little bit and 1258 00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:05,639 then or they could put in a wall a three foot high wall 1259 00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,079 either of wrought iron 1260 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,500 masonry or stone if it is wrought iron the current code 1261 00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:11,760 today as well as what 1262 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,420 we're proposing requires that vines be planted on that so 1263 00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:15,480 you actually get that 1264 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,920 opaque so you actually get the screening effect 1265 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,920 and then proposed amendments to sub chapter 14 right now 1266 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,239 there is within 1267 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,239 sub chapter 14 an exemption for parking for commercial 1268 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,760 development in the CBD it 1269 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,539 has a word additional on there and that that has created a 1270 00:54:37,539 --> 00:54:38,880 bit of confusion so 1271 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,050 staff is recommending removing that word additional in 1272 00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:44,199 order to clarify that CBD 1273 00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:49,349 parking addition we are also clarifying that residential 1274 00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:51,320 parking requirement 1275 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,500 within the CBD right now it states that any residential 1276 00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:56,519 development that has 1277 00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:00,829 more than 10 dwelling units has to provide parking we kind 1278 00:55:00,829 --> 00:55:01,960 of felt like we 1279 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,559 wanted to be a little more specific and have it relate to 1280 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:05,559 to what our parking 1281 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,849 requirements are so we we had maxed it at 20 bedrooms 1282 00:55:08,849 --> 00:55:10,480 because you could have a 1283 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,360 10 dwelling unit apartment complex and each dwelling unit 1284 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,679 has four bedrooms and 1285 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:18,050 that's a lot of people and we want to make sure that there 1286 00:55:18,050 --> 00:55:18,639 is adequate 1287 00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,519 parking for the residential development downtown so we've 1288 00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:22,920 actually moved it to 1289 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,650 that bedroom requirement instead of dwelling unit 1290 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:26,639 requirement we've 1291 00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,590 increased the allowable distance between a primary use and 1292 00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:30,719 a shared parking site 1293 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,320 from 300 feet to a thousand feet and then we've we've added 1294 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,360 in a requirement 1295 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,780 for bicycle part parking so it will can we can accommodate 1296 00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:42,159 in our development 1297 00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:46,590 multiple modes of transportation right now we have a 1298 00:55:46,590 --> 00:55:48,760 parking sub chapter 14 1299 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,659 includes bicycle parking but it's not a requirement so we 1300 00:55:52,659 --> 00:55:55,159 're actually modifying 1301 00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:59,039 that in order to require the bicycle parking and let's talk 1302 00:55:59,039 --> 00:55:59,960 about that just 1303 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:04,079 for a minute so here's a map this red line is the CBD 1304 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,880 boundary and that is the 1305 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,849 area that has that parking exemption all of the area in 1306 00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:13,000 green not all of the area 1307 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,449 it's it's pretty close it's there there's a couple of areas 1308 00:56:16,449 --> 00:56:17,320 around the 1309 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,670 courthouse that it's actually in the green and it shouldn't 1310 00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:21,599 be but but most 1311 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,769 of the area in the green is is actually parking within the 1312 00:56:24,769 --> 00:56:26,920 CBD which is about 1313 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,449 30% of our land area within our CBD is parking is dedicated 1314 00:56:31,449 --> 00:56:33,000 to parking lots and 1315 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:39,429 so so we looked at that when we analyzed this proposal and 1316 00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:41,039 and to make sure that 1317 00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:45,099 there was adequate parking downtown we also kind of looked 1318 00:56:45,099 --> 00:56:46,360 at well can you walk 1319 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,630 to all those parking because we want to make sure that you 1320 00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:49,320 know if there is 1321 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,360 adequate parking that everybody can get to it and you can 1322 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,360 see this blue dot 1323 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,329 right here this is actually about a 10 to 15 minute walk 1324 00:56:57,329 --> 00:56:58,800 from the courthouse so 1325 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,440 there's a lot of parking within our CBD that is actually 1326 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,360 within a walking 1327 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,769 distance from all of those areas that people like to go and 1328 00:57:06,769 --> 00:57:08,360 then we also when 1329 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,289 we looked at this proposal we looked at other some 1330 00:57:11,289 --> 00:57:13,280 benchmark cities around us to 1331 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,519 see you know how they address parking in their core areas 1332 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:19,079 and most of the areas 1333 00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,039 around us and McKinney being one of them and their their 1334 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:23,519 square they don't require 1335 00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:27,750 any parking within their within their square their their 1336 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:29,199 core so this is 1337 00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:31,880 really in line with what other areas are doing it really is 1338 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,920 just a clarification 1339 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,519 of what's existing in the code I'm in the bike parking our 1340 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,519 dent plan 2030 you 1341 00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,449 know has a goal of multimodal transportation and 1342 00:57:43,449 --> 00:57:44,679 sustainability we 1343 00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,500 have a bike plan within the city of Denton and so we really 1344 00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:48,119 want our new 1345 00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:54,320 developments to to engage in the biking and provide parking 1346 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,719 for for our bikes 1347 00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:00,769 and so so that's a part of the code amendment to require 1348 00:58:00,769 --> 00:58:02,440 bike parking one 1349 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,960 space one bike parking space for every 5% of of the 1350 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,400 required parking so when you 1351 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,039 figure a hundred if you if you're building something that 1352 00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:13,480 requires a 1353 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,800 hundred parking spaces you're really looking at five bike 1354 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,800 parking so it's it's 1355 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,070 you know it's it's a step in the right direction of 1356 00:58:22,070 --> 00:58:24,320 providing for multimodal 1357 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,440 transportation and we also did a benchmark on this or bike 1358 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:28,760 peg 1359 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,409 coordinator did and and you know there's a lot of once 1360 00:58:31,409 --> 00:58:32,639 again the benchmark cities 1361 00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:37,440 around us require bike parking bike parking just as a 1362 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,199 course of development 1363 00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:42,780 Dallas for instance requires bike parking so so it's really 1364 00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:43,760 in line with 1365 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,460 what other communities are doing a public notification was 1366 00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:50,079 sent out staff 1367 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:55,210 does recommend approval and I will stand for any questions 1368 00:58:55,210 --> 00:58:56,880 what I do 1369 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:05,159 Commissioner Sullivan thank you store the last first I've 1370 00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,159 gone how many do you 1371 00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:12,769 have me bicycle racks parking there is at the square I don 1372 00:59:12,769 --> 00:59:13,840 't our bike peg 1373 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,710 coordinator should be here later and so she may be able to 1374 00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:17,880 answer that but I am 1375 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,929 not sure how many are on the square it is the square our 1376 00:59:21,929 --> 00:59:23,119 downtown area is 1377 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,110 actually exempt from the bike parking requirement which 1378 00:59:26,110 --> 00:59:26,719 might seem 1379 00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,559 counterintuitive but a lot of those a lot of those 1380 00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:30,679 buildings are pulled right 1381 00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:33,619 up to the right-of-way so they may not have space on their 1382 00:59:33,619 --> 00:59:34,639 property to actually 1383 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,260 provide for the bike parking so I know they're on every 1384 00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:39,840 corner and there and 1385 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,460 there are some in public areas as well the point I'm making 1386 00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:44,320 is that and I've 1387 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,670 come downtown various times of the day various days of the 1388 00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:50,440 week and I have made 1389 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:56,280 a point to see how many were ever in use I've never seen a 1390 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,320 time when every 1391 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,889 back right back rack was in use ever and most of the time 1392 01:00:02,889 --> 01:00:04,320 it's maybe at the most 1393 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:11,019 half used it's I'm just curious why this attachment to 1394 01:00:11,019 --> 01:00:13,800 bicycle parking when I 1395 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,050 don't think I see very many people you know with the bag of 1396 01:00:18,050 --> 01:00:20,440 groceries riding 1397 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:26,199 anywhere any distance at all I'm just curious this fetish 1398 01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:28,079 about bicycles well 1399 01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,869 it is a part of our comprehensive plan that we do provide 1400 01:00:30,869 --> 01:00:32,039 for these other modes 1401 01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:36,219 of transportation it's a good question Julie is supposed to 1402 01:00:36,219 --> 01:00:37,159 be here later on 1403 01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,610 this evening and so she might be able to provide more 1404 01:00:39,610 --> 01:00:40,880 statistics for you as far 1405 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,079 as what kind of ridership we're seeing within the city but 1406 01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:45,320 it is something that 1407 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,739 is a part of the plans that we've adopted and so we're 1408 01:00:48,739 --> 01:00:49,480 trying to 1409 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,920 incorporate that within the code I see a lot more bicycl 1410 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,159 ists out on the highways 1411 01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:58,769 you know taking up land the traffic do you know coming down 1412 01:00:58,769 --> 01:01:00,199 to the square I'm 1413 01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:06,039 just you know my observation sure sure I'll follow up on 1414 01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,159 that is there any 1415 01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:12,190 point system or credits that you get for doing bike things 1416 01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:13,599 like you do with the 1417 01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,679 other landscape well there is and I've got these in here 1418 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:18,320 but I didn't just on 1419 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:28,400 the slide just beat y'all up so well so our our bicycle 1420 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,199 parking proposal there's 1421 01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:36,510 not a credit there is there is a proposal within this that 1422 01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:37,960 if you provide 1423 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,170 bike parking in excess of what's required you can reduce 1424 01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:46,199 your your vehicle 1425 01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:50,800 parking by 5% so if you did add additional parking bike 1426 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:51,440 parking you 1427 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,820 could reduce your your surface parking but as far as 1428 01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:58,079 credits for just providing 1429 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,869 it we're proposing that it just be a requirement for all 1430 01:02:00,869 --> 01:02:01,880 development to go 1431 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,429 ahead and provide I'll make it optional but if you want to 1432 01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:05,360 buy cracks at your 1433 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,869 business you can put them in and you get credits against 1434 01:02:07,869 --> 01:02:09,039 other things versus 1435 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,829 they're required and there's no credit currently it is 1436 01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:13,239 optional so that's that's 1437 01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:18,559 what we have currently we we see it a lot it was 1438 01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:20,440 specifically like with ADP's 1439 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,079 where we say hey add bike parking in you know it's a 1440 01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:24,559 college town there's a lot 1441 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:27,710 of kids on bikes let's go ahead and add that in so we felt 1442 01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:28,519 like this was 1443 01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:31,369 something that we could just codify it would be something 1444 01:02:31,369 --> 01:02:32,239 that you know all 1445 01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:35,579 developments would require it's something that you know I 1446 01:02:35,579 --> 01:02:36,440 sat in a in a 1447 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,460 development meeting with a developer and I said if you want 1448 01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:40,400 you could add bike 1449 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,690 parking said okay well Dallas requires it I'm like we're 1450 01:02:43,690 --> 01:02:47,719 not that so so it is 1451 01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:52,530 something that you know it you know we feel that it would 1452 01:02:52,530 --> 01:02:54,480 would encourage that 1453 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,820 type of you know multimodal behavior so well I'm gonna get 1454 01:02:57,820 --> 01:02:58,880 off topic I've 1455 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,840 listened to the both the presentation before here and I'm 1456 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,320 as a developer and 1457 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,170 the only one on this Commission I wonder who pays for all 1458 01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:07,679 this and these are all 1459 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,260 some of these are great ideas and they sound good and 1460 01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:11,519 somebody came up with them 1461 01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:13,989 but somebody has to pay for all this stuff and when you 1462 01:03:13,989 --> 01:03:15,239 change parking spaces 1463 01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:18,659 from 10 to 7 on the islands it's just more cost and all 1464 01:03:18,659 --> 01:03:20,079 these things are more 1465 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:25,480 more more and I'm gonna echo Commissioner Sullivan I know 1466 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:26,039 sometimes 1467 01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:29,420 these are ideas that people would like but the practicality 1468 01:03:29,420 --> 01:03:30,559 of some of them and 1469 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:34,289 who's gonna pay for it and how much it costs I wonder if 1470 01:03:34,289 --> 01:03:35,639 there's discussions 1471 01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,690 with staff to go okay when we're gonna change all this on a 1472 01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:40,000 typical site that's 1473 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,340 ten thousand dollars fifty thousand dollars is there any 1474 01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:45,760 number crunching 1475 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,179 that goes into what are the cost impacts for these things 1476 01:03:49,179 --> 01:03:50,480 we don't have the 1477 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,989 information to do that the number crunching but part of 1478 01:03:53,989 --> 01:03:55,119 this part of the 1479 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:00,030 the impetus for this is because so often our developments 1480 01:04:00,030 --> 01:04:02,119 that the site plan 1481 01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:07,510 approval process or the review can take quite a few reviews 1482 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:08,719 and quite a few 1483 01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:11,739 quite quite a long time and we also know time is money so 1484 01:04:11,739 --> 01:04:13,239 we're trying to we're 1485 01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:17,280 trying to standardize some of the things that that come up 1486 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,679 over and over again 1487 01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:22,199 particularly with that front parking with the 15-foot 1488 01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:24,239 landscape area that 1489 01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:27,110 takes a lot of property out of development and we think it 1490 01:04:27,110 --> 01:04:28,039 's probably a 1491 01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:32,659 little much and so so you know although we don't have the 1492 01:04:32,659 --> 01:04:33,920 information necessarily 1493 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,260 to crunch the numbers I think we are cognizant of of the of 1494 01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:39,480 the effects on 1495 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,559 the development community and we want to make sure that we 1496 01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:45,159 we are specific in in 1497 01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,780 what in what the requirements are and that so we can try to 1498 01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:49,719 shorten that 1499 01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:53,179 review time and and and allow them to develop as much of 1500 01:04:53,179 --> 01:04:54,880 the site as possible 1501 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,630 so I'm a follow-up on your you know I don't want to 1502 01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:58,920 dominate the conversation 1503 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,190 here but so how many meetings have you had with the 1504 01:05:01,190 --> 01:05:02,320 development community to 1505 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,670 review all these to get their feedback on cost and so forth 1506 01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:06,679 on this we have not 1507 01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:09,969 met with the development community regarding this we felt 1508 01:05:09,969 --> 01:05:10,639 like these were 1509 01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:16,679 were kind of more administrative fixes things that we could 1510 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:18,039 move forward you 1511 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:22,510 know quickly so we haven't met with them well to that to my 1512 01:05:22,510 --> 01:05:23,719 point we're talking 1513 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,500 about going from islands from 10 to 7 so that means 1514 01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:29,400 essentially 50% for every 1515 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,639 essential 20 spaces you've now got to have another island 1516 01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:34,039 we're requiring I 1517 01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:37,920 swim now on the projects we haven't done that in the past 1518 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,639 your example with I 1519 01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:42,389 think the QTO there on the corner of Carroll and Eagle that 1520 01:05:42,389 --> 01:05:43,239 was something the 1521 01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,670 city required of them they didn't offer to do that in 1522 01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:48,360 regards to get there I 1523 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,489 think their SUP for their extra parking spaces in the back 1524 01:05:53,489 --> 01:05:54,519 I don't know if 1525 01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:56,559 there's any studies that have been done that the ice swims 1526 01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:57,320 are more effective 1527 01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,400 in parking lots versus out in the roadways themselves where 1528 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:00,960 we've got 1529 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,679 15,000 cars a day going up and forth and they're sitting at 1530 01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:06,599 traffic lights maybe 1531 01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:09,340 it's more effective that the city put in ice swims in those 1532 01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:10,039 areas versus 1533 01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:14,349 businesses putting them in parking lots so I'm just curious 1534 01:06:14,349 --> 01:06:15,800 and we put all these 1535 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:22,639 ideas up and say my question is how much time is put into 1536 01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:24,079 addressing really what 1537 01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:27,610 the issues are and then who's going to pay for it and 1538 01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:28,360 whether it's public 1539 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,539 people that are going to pay for it or private developers 1540 01:06:31,539 --> 01:06:32,719 that have to pay for 1541 01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:36,760 all these things I'm concerned about as long as I've been 1542 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,719 on planning and zoning 1543 01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:42,679 the long list of additional costs cost cost cost and at 1544 01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,079 some point that becomes 1545 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:47,719 a big concern I think for business owners and people that 1546 01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:48,239 want to do 1547 01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:52,639 business in our community Dallas may have requirements for 1548 01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:53,159 a bicycle we're 1549 01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:57,900 way different than Dallas in our community much different 1550 01:06:57,900 --> 01:06:59,159 on trying to 1551 01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:02,449 take bikes out Luke 288 go grocery shopping and all these 1552 01:07:02,449 --> 01:07:03,159 types of things 1553 01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:07,210 where as these things come into play I don't know how 1554 01:07:07,210 --> 01:07:09,159 practical they are to be 1555 01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,929 used every day versus they look good on paper and somebody 1556 01:07:11,929 --> 01:07:12,880 paid to put them in 1557 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,969 so I'm going to open the floor for some other questions I 1558 01:07:16,969 --> 01:07:17,960 think I'm going to go 1559 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,619 Commissioner Rozelle and we'll come back over here thank 1560 01:07:20,619 --> 01:07:22,199 you chair some of the 1561 01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:26,440 things I have might be redundant but I feel go ahead and 1562 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,000 speak them but I wanted 1563 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,969 to start back at bikes real fast because that's where my 1564 01:07:31,969 --> 01:07:33,380 notes start to 1565 01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:35,139 Commissioner Sullivan's point I work downtown my brother 1566 01:07:35,139 --> 01:07:35,679 owns a business 1567 01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:40,989 downtown the bike stands are on the interior a lot of times 1568 01:07:40,989 --> 01:07:42,280 with a square 1569 01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,750 not next necessarily the businesses so if you go like 1570 01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:46,280 during morning coffee and 1571 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,920 check out Jupiter house or West Oak bikes are littered but 1572 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,960 they're not going 1573 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,949 to the corner to lock their bike up and then going back to 1574 01:07:52,949 --> 01:07:54,320 the businesses so it 1575 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,610 might be a placement issue not necessarily use issue which 1576 01:07:57,610 --> 01:07:58,280 is an issue 1577 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,219 nonetheless but I think there are a lot of bike traffic on 1578 01:08:01,219 --> 01:08:02,159 the square it's just 1579 01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,469 the placement of those is not necessarily most convenient 1580 01:08:04,469 --> 01:08:04,880 to like an 1581 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,230 interior shop like Beth Marie's or West Oak where they're 1582 01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:09,840 not near the corner 1583 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,679 staying with bikes we have a bike plan as you mentioned and 1584 01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:14,800 it seems like the 1585 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,399 bike plan is to encourage certain bike traffic through town 1586 01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:19,720 and so I would like 1587 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,920 to see it's a the Commissioner's point earlier if we know 1588 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,479 where bikes where we 1589 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,159 want bikes to be then maybe we should incentivize those 1590 01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:31,319 businesses to have the 1591 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:36,079 bike stands more prevalent than others so a new Home Depot 1592 01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:37,000 out on the loop or 1593 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,289 something may not require we don't maybe not get bikes they 1594 01:08:40,289 --> 01:08:41,199 're not hauling lumber 1595 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,880 home with that however if we know they're traveling we know 1596 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:45,399 that we travel 1597 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:47,960 on Sherman because we're making that a new thoroughfare 1598 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:48,840 then maybe we should 1599 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,189 incentivize more strongly bikes there so that in tandem 1600 01:08:52,189 --> 01:08:53,520 with where we're wanting 1601 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,159 to put bike paths and bike traffic we can leverage 1602 01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:57,239 businesses to help 1603 01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:02,420 incentivize that bicycle growth and to the chairs point in 1604 01:09:02,420 --> 01:09:04,399 that situation if 1605 01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,010 they're on the path then I think a credit should be given 1606 01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:07,720 to parking to 1607 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,659 further incentivize the use of bikes it doesn't seem like 1608 01:09:10,659 --> 01:09:12,079 there's a necessarily 1609 01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:16,050 a tandem credit system with running bikes but it seems like 1610 01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:16,960 we I guess we can 1611 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,079 reduce parking by 5% but it's still a requirement so I have 1612 01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:21,880 some maybe some 1613 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:28,880 issues about that in regards to the parking if I'm 1614 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:29,399 understanding this 1615 01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,409 correctly the increase to parking islands does not decrease 1616 01:09:32,409 --> 01:09:33,239 the required 1617 01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:36,479 overall parking spots for the property is that correct 1618 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,119 correct okay so their 1619 01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:44,239 real estate is now being more used by parking spaces if 1620 01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:45,560 they want a hundred 1621 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,529 spots and they're not to use more property to get those 1622 01:09:49,529 --> 01:09:50,880 hundred spots now 1623 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:56,050 yes they would the size of their of their parking area 1624 01:09:56,050 --> 01:09:58,159 would be larger but 1625 01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,350 there's there would be more pervious material within the 1626 01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:02,439 parking lot so yes 1627 01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,699 it would take up more space just as a whole yeah so with 1628 01:10:06,699 --> 01:10:07,760 encouraging bike 1629 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,029 traffic and then I am so sorry Commissioner Beck's not here 1630 01:10:11,029 --> 01:10:11,680 because he's 1631 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,930 done the research about the necessity for even more parking 1632 01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:15,579 because to 1633 01:10:15,579 --> 01:10:17,680 Commissioner Sullivan's point if you drive around Denton 1634 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:18,239 count the number of 1635 01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,510 empty parking spots at any given time in any business yet 1636 01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:21,560 we have a requirement 1637 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,750 to have parking there and those are not being used if you 1638 01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:26,079 go to Medical City 1639 01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:32,119 Denton it's it's just a concrete jungle out there so I'm 1640 01:10:32,119 --> 01:10:33,520 saddened to see that 1641 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,810 we're increasing the developers number of islands but not 1642 01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:39,279 decreasing the parking 1643 01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:41,810 requirements so now to chairs point they're having to 1644 01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:42,840 leverage more of the 1645 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,159 property for parking that most likely will not be used for 1646 01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,239 this and then I 1647 01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:53,210 guess lastly it's surprising to me that we did consult I 1648 01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:53,920 think on two different 1649 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,180 occasions the I don't know their name the downtown 1650 01:10:57,180 --> 01:10:58,520 development group about 1651 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,600 trees they've been very involved in tree canopy processing 1652 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,279 but they weren't 1653 01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:06,279 involved in what I think is significantly going to change a 1654 01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:06,520 lot 1655 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,630 developments in town so I would encourage that conversation 1656 01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:10,039 to take 1657 01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:14,130 place that we can get feedback about the actual legitimate 1658 01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:15,439 impact that these 1659 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,750 changes are going to have because I personally don't think 1660 01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:18,159 it's just 1661 01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,510 administrative it seems a little more invasive than that it 1662 01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:23,359 's all I got 1663 01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:27,680 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I guess my question is 1664 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:28,720 we're planning to 1665 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,979 rewrite the DDC correct yes ma'am so are we planning to 1666 01:11:31,979 --> 01:11:33,880 address this chapter 1667 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,890 which I would think would be yes it will all be then if if 1668 01:11:36,890 --> 01:11:38,800 this moves forward it 1669 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,840 would all be then incorporated in with the the DDC rewrite 1670 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:42,760 well because it 1671 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,689 sounds like with a lot of concerns we have we need more 1672 01:11:45,689 --> 01:11:47,800 discussion on it so it 1673 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,229 would seem like a lot of this should wait in my opinion 1674 01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:53,380 until the sub 1675 01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:56,670 committee and the rewrite of the DDC is moving forward I 1676 01:11:56,670 --> 01:11:58,720 don't understand you 1677 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,970 know taking the time to rewrite this when there are things 1678 01:12:01,970 --> 01:12:02,920 left open on the 1679 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,970 table to discuss with entities in the business that it 1680 01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:08,520 directly affects to 1681 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,800 consider I'm not sure why we would want to do something 1682 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,039 like this now when we 1683 01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:17,880 have that looming before us and we discussed that 1684 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,079 internally and we felt 1685 01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:22,510 like some of these issues particularly the front parking 1686 01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:24,239 screening particularly 1687 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:30,640 the parking maximums that those things were so so part of 1688 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,180 just every 1689 01:12:32,180 --> 01:12:34,750 development review that we felt like this was something 1690 01:12:34,750 --> 01:12:35,560 that needed to go 1691 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,850 forward more quickly so that so that the development 1692 01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:41,640 community you know we can we 1693 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,420 can remove that ADP that extra layer that extra step of 1694 01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:47,039 process for them as 1695 01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:50,880 quickly as possible so that's why why we went forward with 1696 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:51,560 these that they were 1697 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,159 just just something that tends to over and over affect 1698 01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:57,159 development within 1699 01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:03,479 within the city and and we were trying to minimize the the 1700 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:04,600 pain of some of 1701 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,159 those processes so that that that's why it went forward 1702 01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:09,359 before just as a point 1703 01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:13,729 of order if at the time that this item comes up during the 1704 01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:15,319 regular session the 1705 01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:17,829 Commission feels like they want to go ahead and delay it 1706 01:13:17,829 --> 01:13:18,800 until they have more 1707 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,649 information and more opportunity to review the item then we 1708 01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:22,439 would just need 1709 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,029 such a motion to put the postpone it and it can be indefin 1710 01:13:25,029 --> 01:13:26,039 ite or it could be to 1711 01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,659 date certain and so long as that second it and voted on we 1712 01:13:29,659 --> 01:13:31,000 can go ahead and and 1713 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:36,279 not make decisions tonight did you have a follow-up to that 1714 01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:37,399 to your point well 1715 01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:40,119 Mr. Ellis thank you chair well now I have a follow-up to 1716 01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:41,720 that so do we have to 1717 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,619 vote on this tonight as it's written as it's proposed is 1718 01:13:45,619 --> 01:13:47,640 that well it's an 1719 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,640 independent I'm sorry an individual consideration item so 1720 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,520 it is ripe for a 1721 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,630 vote but if you feel like you need to move it you can so 1722 01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:57,840 that would be your 1723 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,310 motion okay well I do have a follow-up to Julie I have a 1724 01:14:01,310 --> 01:14:02,359 specific question to 1725 01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:04,289 one of the proposals on here if you have the floor and I'll 1726 01:14:04,289 --> 01:14:05,039 come to Commissioner 1727 01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:11,680 Sullivan next thank you okay so it is chapter 14 okay 14 1728 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:18,640 for a one and the way 1729 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,100 I'm reading this I'm just very confused with relation to 1730 01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:24,680 parking spaces for 1731 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,939 residential uses and the line the number of spaces for 1732 01:14:27,939 --> 01:14:29,439 single-family duplex 1733 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,010 attached single-family dwellings must not exceed the 1734 01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:34,840 required number of spaces 1735 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,989 which is two so what happens if somebody wants a three-car 1736 01:14:39,989 --> 01:14:46,239 garage the garage would 1737 01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:50,399 be different than the outside so okay so the required 1738 01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:52,039 spaces for a single 1739 01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:57,600 family can you describe that to me what what we require for 1740 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:58,779 single-family is to 1741 01:14:58,779 --> 01:15:02,920 parking spaces not in the garage it has to be on a parking 1742 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,840 pad right now the 1743 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,449 code requires additional spaces for duplexes for that have 1744 01:15:09,449 --> 01:15:10,720 that more than 1745 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:16,760 three bedrooms those tend to get then we want to make sure 1746 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:17,560 that we minimize the 1747 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:25,359 maybe the the amount of parking that is associated with 1748 01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:26,720 that residential use so 1749 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:31,710 we wanted to keep the parking maximum for residential right 1750 01:15:31,710 --> 01:15:32,439 now we have a 1751 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,789 parking maximum for everything and so we maintain the 1752 01:15:35,789 --> 01:15:37,159 parking maximum for 1753 01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:40,340 residential so that those parking lot lot areas for 1754 01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:41,880 residential didn't get 1755 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,920 enormous but removed it for the commercial and industrial 1756 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,159 are you 1757 01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,239 talking you're talking carports then would be part of this 1758 01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:50,880 no I mean a car 1759 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,569 port would be an accessory structure so that that's a 1760 01:15:53,569 --> 01:15:55,279 little different okay 1761 01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:58,510 thank you for the clarification sure I want to follow up on 1762 01:15:58,510 --> 01:15:59,640 your clear faith so 1763 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,369 the maximum is so if you have a three-car garage you can 1764 01:16:02,369 --> 01:16:03,119 only have two 1765 01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:07,279 spaces outside you can't have three and if that's something 1766 01:16:07,279 --> 01:16:08,680 that y'all wanted to 1767 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,880 that wasn't something that you wanted to move forward with 1768 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,079 the proposal you could 1769 01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:17,500 certainly I don't know how you have access to the third 1770 01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:20,600 garage then 1771 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,020 I'm just trying to draw a visual picture of a site plan in 1772 01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:33,000 my mind of how you do 1773 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,680 that who determines whether it's a parking space or a drive 1774 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,119 space what would 1775 01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:41,060 you say Shandrine I'm sorry I don't think that that was the 1776 01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:42,680 intent so we 1777 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,380 would have to revisit the requirement if you wanted to 1778 01:16:45,380 --> 01:16:47,239 allow three spaces per 1779 01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:50,880 unit then we may need to increase it to three spaces for a 1780 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,800 lot thank you for 1781 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,000 your patience Commissioner Sullivan yes on the the front 1782 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:56,840 screening of the front 1783 01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:02,390 parking screening yes if I understand you correctly at the 1784 01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:03,640 curb since we're 1785 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:09,180 gonna take away the requirement past the utility easement 1786 01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:10,600 is that what we're 1787 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,869 talking about so that the screening is gonna be closer to 1788 01:17:13,869 --> 01:17:15,479 the curb it won't on 1789 01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,770 text dot roads it won't be closer to the curb you'll still 1790 01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:20,520 have that 20-foot PUE 1791 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,550 what we want to do is minimize that landscape that 15-foot 1792 01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:26,880 landscape area 1793 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,130 because it's rather large and to require the the same 1794 01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:33,000 amount of vegetation the 1795 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,670 same amount of screening we know we want that to be screen 1796 01:17:35,670 --> 01:17:37,079 ed but just to allow 1797 01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:41,220 them to shrink that space if they can or if they want to to 1798 01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:42,720 accommodate their 1799 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,020 development so it still would be moved back because of the 1800 01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:47,399 PUE and if it's not 1801 01:17:47,399 --> 01:17:51,960 text doc road is the front screening still going to be 1802 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,279 required yes sir and 1803 01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:55,880 how far from the curb would that be it would just it would 1804 01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:56,680 have to be out of 1805 01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,529 the right-of-way so wherever the right-of-way line is we're 1806 01:17:59,529 --> 01:18:00,399 on when that 1807 01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:05,149 lots of my concern is when you I've been a lot in a lot of 1808 01:18:05,149 --> 01:18:06,319 shopping centers and 1809 01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:09,979 you pull out and you can't see because the shrubbery there 1810 01:18:09,979 --> 01:18:10,720 there would be 1811 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,239 visibility clips that they would have to meet they couldn't 1812 01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:14,239 they couldn't okay so 1813 01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:20,560 somebody's gonna regulate shrubbery yes sir it couldn't it 1814 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:20,960 would and that's 1815 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,720 something that we have to look at now because you're right 1816 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:24,720 you don't want 1817 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,069 someone to have an accident because of a shrub or maybe 1818 01:18:28,069 --> 01:18:29,479 just not have shrubs a 1819 01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,510 certain distance from the driveway make them trees so that 1820 01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:34,880 you don't have that 1821 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:40,010 issue that somebody's not driving around checking the yard 1822 01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:41,000 stick whether or not 1823 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,289 it's sure in the line of sight sure yes sir we already 1824 01:18:44,289 --> 01:18:46,319 include the street the 1825 01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:49,210 site visibility triangle for street design so they the 1826 01:18:49,210 --> 01:18:50,399 plannings would have 1827 01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:56,399 to stay out of that area that we designate for that okay 1828 01:18:56,399 --> 01:19:01,310 Commissioner Rozelle this last thing can you give an 1829 01:19:01,310 --> 01:19:02,960 example of the benefit or 1830 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,039 situation in which parking would be moved from 300 to a 1831 01:19:06,039 --> 01:19:07,000 thousand feet I'm 1832 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,420 just trying to figure out the use case for that absolutely 1833 01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:14,239 okay so I have I 1834 01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:20,079 have a specific all right so we have a we have a business 1835 01:19:20,079 --> 01:19:21,439 so you can see the 1836 01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,750 boundary of the CBD it really doesn't include what all we 1837 01:19:24,750 --> 01:19:25,479 think of as 1838 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,140 downtown right because you're kind of here's Hickory right 1839 01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:28,800 here and it's 1840 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,310 leaving off substantial blocks so it really doesn't doesn't 1841 01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:33,199 conform to what 1842 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:37,680 we think of as downtown so these buildings right here don't 1843 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:38,479 have that 1844 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,260 parking exemption but yet they don't have any parking so 1845 01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:44,399 what they have to do 1846 01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:49,310 is they have to they have to demonstrate that they can meet 1847 01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:50,560 their parking 1848 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,880 requirements and what they do is they a nearby landowner 1849 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,680 somebody who has excess 1850 01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,260 parking they communicate with them and see if they can 1851 01:20:00,260 --> 01:20:01,960 lease spaces or how they 1852 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:09,180 you know how they or rent whatever they have to do and 300 1853 01:20:09,180 --> 01:20:10,560 feet that 300 feet is 1854 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,750 measured leaving the door of that business and walking in a 1855 01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:16,000 pedestrian way 1856 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,079 to that first parking space and 300 feet when you think 1857 01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:21,560 about walking down the 1858 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,270 sidewalk and finding a crosswalk and going is a pretty 1859 01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:26,159 short distance so the 1860 01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:30,449 1,000 feet allows them to go a little further to find the 1861 01:20:30,449 --> 01:20:31,720 necessary parking in 1862 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,960 order to meet their parking needs you know if they can meet 1863 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:35,760 their parking 1864 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,739 needs without having to pour another you know tear down a 1865 01:20:38,739 --> 01:20:39,720 building to pour 1866 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,569 another parking lot then that that just makes sense and so 1867 01:20:43,569 --> 01:20:45,039 it just allows them 1868 01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:49,720 to meet their parking needs a little more easily. Thank you 1869 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:49,720 . 1870 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,560 Commissioner Sullivan. So would it be possible for say in 1871 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:54,239 the area that you 1872 01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,720 just represented there that there may be three businesses 1873 01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,079 that all are counting 1874 01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:05,750 the same parking lot as their off-site parking and so how 1875 01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:07,520 would that be the 1876 01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,359 square footage and how many spaces available? That actually 1877 01:21:11,359 --> 01:21:12,159 because our code 1878 01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:15,760 is somewhat vague on that it really does it says they have 1879 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:16,720 to be evidenced by 1880 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,239 deed or some other similar instrument but it's not really 1881 01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:21,640 clear and it's not 1882 01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,720 really clear that the that the the giving spaces have the 1883 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,000 capacity to give 1884 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,279 them so what we have put into into the proposal is saying 1885 01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:33,319 adding a sentence 1886 01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:36,539 that those that giving parking lot has to have excess 1887 01:21:36,539 --> 01:21:38,239 capacity and it has to be 1888 01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:40,880 evidenced by that deed or some other similar written 1889 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,159 instrument and recorded 1890 01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:46,350 with Denton County so that it is a public record who you 1891 01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:47,760 know what spaces 1892 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,590 are being used for whom and it has to be for the duration 1893 01:21:50,590 --> 01:21:52,140 of the use that's using 1894 01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:56,130 those parking spaces so right now we really don't have 1895 01:21:56,130 --> 01:21:57,640 something that that 1896 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:02,710 would that would allow us to have a good record keeping of 1897 01:22:02,710 --> 01:22:04,000 who's keeping who's 1898 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,000 using what and and we're we're we're trying to correct that 1899 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:09,560 by adding a 1900 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,600 little more specificity within there. Does the parking lot 1901 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,039 that they are using 1902 01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:18,800 as the off-site parking do they need do they get permission 1903 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,079 from that business 1904 01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:25,020 owner or it would have to be it would have to be who owns 1905 01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:26,119 that parking lot and 1906 01:22:26,119 --> 01:22:29,409 who does use it as their CEO and once again they would have 1907 01:22:29,409 --> 01:22:30,399 to provide evidence 1908 01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:36,010 that they meet the parking requirements in the DDC and that 1909 01:22:36,010 --> 01:22:36,920 if they have any 1910 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:45,039 additional spaces that they could then sell. Yes. Rent. 1911 01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:47,960 Okay thank you. 1912 01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:52,300 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. So overall I was 1913 01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:53,079 pretty impressed by this 1914 01:22:53,079 --> 01:22:57,270 the parking standards have always been hard to follow. I'm 1915 01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:58,720 sad to see two 1916 01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,880 things go but I understand why the maximum parking hard cap 1917 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:03,760 I always thought 1918 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,649 that was a good way to prevent over parking which if you 1919 01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:07,880 drive down University 1920 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:13,010 Drive you know Denton Center just a lot of places around 1921 01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:14,000 just always 1922 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:20,109 have see a sea of empty parking lot and it's it's it makes 1923 01:23:20,109 --> 01:23:22,000 the entire development 1924 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,619 less attractive makes you not want to shop there it's a 1925 01:23:24,619 --> 01:23:25,479 good place to do 1926 01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,359 donuts when you're in high school you know it can go about 1927 01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:29,520 45 miles an hour 1928 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,789 across that parking lot it's so much is good whenever 1929 01:23:31,789 --> 01:23:32,640 universities under 1930 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,010 construction because there's a nice straight path from from 1931 01:23:37,010 --> 01:23:38,119 Hinkle all the 1932 01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:41,720 way to to Carroll you know with all you have to do is cont 1933 01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,079 end with Kroger at the 1934 01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:46,739 very end so the the removal of the maximum maximum parking 1935 01:23:46,739 --> 01:23:47,119 like I said I 1936 01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:49,810 understand why why that's been done but I as kind of sad to 1937 01:23:49,810 --> 01:23:50,840 see that one go and 1938 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,590 the permeable parking which nobody ever builds but I always 1939 01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:55,720 liked that we had 1940 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:59,159 that in as as the requirement for over parking if you want 1941 01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:00,279 to over park you 1942 01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:03,659 need to put in permeable parking but I swim now kind of 1943 01:24:03,659 --> 01:24:06,119 replaces that and I was 1944 01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:10,640 I was curious if you know or if maybe engineering knows how 1945 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,239 many cities now in 1946 01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:16,369 the DFW area use ice swim standards well Deborah is here 1947 01:24:16,369 --> 01:24:17,600 and she can tell you 1948 01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:24,380 about she has a presentation I'm going straight to this 1949 01:24:24,380 --> 01:24:25,680 line right now I 1950 01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,359 believe there 1951 01:24:43,119 --> 01:24:46,590 these are all the cities that are ice swim city right now 1952 01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:50,640 and two four 1953 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:56,470 that one's right there six eight ten twelve fourteen 1954 01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:59,319 fifteen cities and those 1955 01:24:59,319 --> 01:24:59,319 are the one who actually have applied to be called ice swim 1956 01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:04,520 cities just keep in 1957 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:04,520 mind that I should have three components of it and many of 1958 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,439 the cities have 1959 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,550 already adopted some portion of it but those are the one 1960 01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:13,119 who have adopted most 1961 01:25:13,119 --> 01:25:17,619 of the ice wing components which is blood control stream 1962 01:25:17,619 --> 01:25:18,800 bank protection and 1963 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:23,399 water control and water quality control and I do I do think 1964 01:25:23,399 --> 01:25:24,000 that it would it 1965 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,819 would be unfair to require developers to meet these 1966 01:25:26,819 --> 01:25:27,960 standards whenever the city 1967 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:32,699 itself does not but I hope this is the first step in the 1968 01:25:32,699 --> 01:25:35,000 city moving from an 1969 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:40,680 old-fashioned pave over everything stream solution to to 1970 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:41,359 using you know 1971 01:25:41,359 --> 01:25:44,869 environmental solutions for drainage and flood water and 1972 01:25:44,869 --> 01:25:46,079 stream banks and so 1973 01:25:46,079 --> 01:25:49,479 forth so I understand there might be added costs for 1974 01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:50,800 developers and I I do 1975 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,220 hope that city engineering follows very soon and all of our 1976 01:25:54,220 --> 01:25:55,159 streets are built to 1977 01:25:55,159 --> 01:25:59,210 these standards as well and my my last comment is on the 1978 01:25:59,210 --> 01:26:00,239 bike parking 1979 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:04,109 requirements today you can go to Kroger and there are 1980 01:26:04,109 --> 01:26:05,760 probably two or three bikes 1981 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,180 chained to trees because there's no bike parking on Kroger 1982 01:26:09,180 --> 01:26:10,800 on University and 1983 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,640 here are the Walmart on University and there are always 1984 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:14,840 several bikes parked 1985 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,960 there if you go over to where the freebirds and the yogurt 1986 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,399 places there's 1987 01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:24,619 always a bike or two chained to a trash can or a bench or a 1988 01:26:24,619 --> 01:26:26,800 tree and those very 1989 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,489 well might be employees that work at the nail salon or at 1990 01:26:29,489 --> 01:26:30,520 the little you know 1991 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,100 freebirds burrito place or whatever but there is nowhere to 1992 01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:35,319 park there because 1993 01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:37,840 nobody thought about it and it wasn't required and so it 1994 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,560 didn't get put in the 1995 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,510 cost of a bicycle staple rack which is the little one that 1996 01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:43,479 comes up and goes 1997 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,260 down it's pretty stylish they're about $189 plus a little 1998 01:26:47,260 --> 01:26:48,159 concrete plus about 1999 01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:52,159 10 square feet of you know landscape area so the cost on 2000 01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:53,319 bike parking is 2001 01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:56,319 minimal compared to you know potentially these other costs 2002 01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:57,520 and landscaping and so 2003 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,689 forth but there's already already definitely demand you 2004 01:27:00,689 --> 01:27:01,920 know I have ridden 2005 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,909 to 288 my bicycle and gone to Target and gone shopping and 2006 01:27:05,909 --> 01:27:06,880 I have gone to Home 2007 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,220 Depot and with a backpack or peneers you can you know I'm 2008 01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:12,640 buying a five pound box 2009 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,659 of drywall screws is not a problem you might not be going 2010 01:27:15,659 --> 01:27:16,840 home with you know a 2011 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:21,000 back yeah enough to build a back deck or something but 2012 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,199 there there is some 2013 01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:25,619 traffic in those ways and Denton does have if I remember 2014 01:27:25,619 --> 01:27:26,479 correctly before the 2015 01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,340 bike plan was implemented we were at like a three and a 2016 01:27:28,340 --> 01:27:29,800 half percent mode 2017 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,590 share of bicycles which is really high especially for Texas 2018 01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:34,399 and that was 2019 01:27:34,399 --> 01:27:37,289 whenever we had one and a half miles of bike lanes in the 2020 01:27:37,289 --> 01:27:38,800 entire city so 2021 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,050 encouraging this especially you know apartments downtown 2022 01:27:42,050 --> 01:27:43,560 and apartments even 2023 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,960 out on 288 that might be a student that rides the rail 2024 01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,720 trail up to class or to 2025 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,369 downtown you know five percent they're really cheap to put 2026 01:27:51,369 --> 01:27:52,319 in take up very 2027 01:27:52,319 --> 01:27:54,819 little space I think it's a really great idea that we're 2028 01:27:54,819 --> 01:27:56,319 and the bus but you can 2029 01:27:56,319 --> 01:27:59,020 take your bike on the bus in the city of Denton too so you 2030 01:27:59,020 --> 01:27:59,960 could if you have 2031 01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:03,109 barriers to riding your bike like on if you're I would not 2032 01:28:03,109 --> 01:28:04,119 ride my bike on loop 2033 01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:07,760 288 because I'm a chicken but but you could you could put 2034 01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,119 it on a bus and and 2035 01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:12,250 get over that barrier to biking just to speak to your 2036 01:28:12,250 --> 01:28:14,439 parking maximum I kind of 2037 01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:18,029 I kind of like you know I kind of held on to it pretty 2038 01:28:18,029 --> 01:28:19,680 tight because as 2039 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,060 planners we like to see the the right parking in the right 2040 01:28:23,060 --> 01:28:23,960 spot you know 2041 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,960 that's that's what we like to see and and and the parking 2042 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,159 maximum has an 2043 01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:32,800 effect on that but but when we looked at it and we looked 2044 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,439 at just how often 2045 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:39,880 people were coming to us for additional parking and and 2046 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,520 particularly in our in 2047 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,810 our maybe our highway development or more regional center 2048 01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:45,760 development and 2049 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:49,640 then what we asked for you know parking lots can have all 2050 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,039 kinds of effects heat 2051 01:28:51,039 --> 01:28:55,180 island or pollutants are all and and by introducing the ice 2052 01:28:55,180 --> 01:28:56,159 swim and the tree 2053 01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:00,609 canopy it would mitigate some of those elements with the 2054 01:29:00,609 --> 01:29:02,119 the parking lots and 2055 01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:06,180 so it was kind of it was kind of a give-and-take regarding 2056 01:29:06,180 --> 01:29:08,760 that so 2057 01:29:12,279 --> 01:29:15,539 it doesn't always increase the cost to do your development 2058 01:29:15,539 --> 01:29:17,279 because if you 2059 01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:22,720 properly design integrate the low-impact design techniques 2060 01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,479 it can help to treat 2061 01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,310 your water and meet the needs that you have engineering 2062 01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:29,439 wise and be cost 2063 01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:35,220 effective so it's I think what we have to do a better job 2064 01:29:35,220 --> 01:29:37,359 of is educating our 2065 01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:39,899 development community on how to use that and how to 2066 01:29:39,899 --> 01:29:41,159 integrate it into their 2067 01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:46,329 projects so that it's not so it's not a difficult concept 2068 01:29:46,329 --> 01:29:48,239 to grasp and it's not 2069 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:52,489 so difficult to implement so I think there may be a little 2070 01:29:52,489 --> 01:29:53,260 bit of the 2071 01:29:53,260 --> 01:29:56,979 hesitancy that we've seen but overall we've already have 2072 01:29:56,979 --> 01:29:58,439 projects around the 2073 01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,239 city that's doing it that is integrated into razor wrench 2074 01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:03,399 the new fire station 2075 01:30:03,399 --> 01:30:07,100 will have elements of low-impact design and you'll see it 2076 01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:08,560 more and more around 2077 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:13,680 the city so it's not completely new to them 2078 01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:20,000 I'm chiming on that this is upper I'm open to those things 2079 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,079 I get concerned 2080 01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:24,520 when we put all this stuff out and nobody can say if we 2081 01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:25,359 vote on this 2082 01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:28,619 tonight it moves forward and we can't get a question 2083 01:30:28,619 --> 01:30:29,960 answered as it costs 2084 01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:35,500 $5,000 or $10,000 as anybody even asks the question that's 2085 01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:36,279 a concern to me that 2086 01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:39,979 I'm a businessman and so that that's just the language that 2087 01:30:39,979 --> 01:30:40,960 I speak when we 2088 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,899 start talking about changing all these things well how much 2089 01:30:43,899 --> 01:30:44,920 does it cost if 2090 01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,380 we're gonna do a building for a client and they call it me 2091 01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:49,960 up and say hey I'm 2092 01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,689 thinking about buying this piece of property tell me what 2093 01:30:51,689 --> 01:30:52,399 these things cost 2094 01:30:52,399 --> 01:30:56,810 that's the first question that's asked and need to know the 2095 01:30:56,810 --> 01:30:57,920 answers to those 2096 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:03,470 things and so it concerns me as as a commissioner and as a 2097 01:31:03,470 --> 01:31:06,159 city as a typical 2098 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,180 business thing that those things are not even in the 2099 01:31:09,180 --> 01:31:10,840 discussion when these things 2100 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,989 come before us versus we've had meetings we've talked about 2101 01:31:13,989 --> 01:31:15,039 it we've done several 2102 01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:19,220 different designs it doesn't create any additional cost it 2103 01:31:19,220 --> 01:31:21,600 's $20,000 that to me 2104 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,470 just is sound business principles that may just be my way 2105 01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:26,720 of looking at things 2106 01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,109 and it's not the way the rest of the Commission or the rest 2107 01:31:30,109 --> 01:31:31,960 of this body does 2108 01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,840 but that that's how I look at it and that's why I'm 2109 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,479 concerned when I hear all 2110 01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:41,010 these things and yet there's there's no backup to come and 2111 01:31:41,010 --> 01:31:42,520 be put before us of 2112 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,170 what the cost is to do all this if it's nothing that's a 2113 01:31:46,170 --> 01:31:46,960 great piece of 2114 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,180 background information to say we've looked at this and we 2115 01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:50,920 don't think 2116 01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,529 there's a cost impact or we've looked at it and we think it 2117 01:31:54,529 --> 01:31:56,239 is so much per acre 2118 01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:02,109 or per thousand square feet some quantifiable thing to come 2119 01:32:02,109 --> 01:32:02,880 so when 2120 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,750 people ask us how you voted for that and it's going to cost 2121 01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:07,680 $25,000 on my project 2122 01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,439 well you know it's nice to know that on the front end when 2123 01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:11,479 we're going to vote 2124 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:16,550 on these matters what is the impact or not and so same 2125 01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:17,520 thing to follow up like 2126 01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:22,319 on the ice when I don't know whether that's a $5,000 deal 2127 01:32:22,319 --> 01:32:23,800 not only how much 2128 01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,960 is it cost to put it in but it's got to be monitored and 2129 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:27,880 you got to submit the 2130 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,850 reports whatever it is three times a year so what is the 2131 01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:32,720 cost impact of that 2132 01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:38,039 for a ten-year period do you have to replace it after two 2133 01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:39,399 years or five years 2134 01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:43,939 or six months and what does it cost so to me if we're going 2135 01:32:43,939 --> 01:32:46,520 to continue this 2136 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,939 this would be the vote the voice of the Commission but when 2137 01:32:49,939 --> 01:32:50,960 it if it is 2138 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,899 continued and we are going to hear it again I'd like to 2139 01:32:53,899 --> 01:32:55,000 have those kinds of 2140 01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,149 items added to the presentation to come back and say we 2141 01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:59,439 would like these things 2142 01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,670 to be implemented and this is what we see is a cost factor 2143 01:33:03,670 --> 01:33:04,960 of those things and 2144 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:11,479 that's just my my perspective on this coming back so does 2145 01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:12,960 anybody else have 2146 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:17,460 question Commissioner Hesbeth. Thank You Chair just one and 2147 01:33:17,460 --> 01:33:18,159 I think it may go 2148 01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:24,600 legal but are we at all contractually tied any time 2149 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,680 requirement with I swim are 2150 01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:32,229 we is it just we can start stop there's no connection with 2151 01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:33,920 them as far as being 2152 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:38,159 ice when certified or as far as using their product or 2153 01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:39,520 recommend a product for 2154 01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:50,560 any time or okay thank you thank you 2155 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,159 so the other two items have been withdrawn and just for 2156 01:33:57,159 --> 01:33:59,119 clarification 2157 01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:04,670 item E is a proposed with a proposed amendment related to 2158 01:34:04,670 --> 01:34:05,520 building materials 2159 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,859 it was noticed incorrectly so we're going to pull that for 2160 01:34:09,859 --> 01:34:16,960 now okay with 2161 01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:23,760 that I'm going to close our work session at 545 and we will 2162 01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,359 reconvene in council 2163 01:34:26,359 --> 01:34:29,560 chambers at 630 2164 01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:37,819 good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and 2165 01:34:37,819 --> 01:34:40,600 zoning Commission 2166 01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:45,439 meeting for January the 25th 2017 this meeting has been du 2167 01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:46,880 ly posted and we have 2168 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,140 a quorum present and I'll call our meeting to order at 634 2169 01:34:51,140 --> 01:34:52,279 our first order 2170 01:34:52,279 --> 01:34:56,130 of business will be to stand to give the pledge the US and 2171 01:34:56,130 --> 01:34:57,199 the Texas flag 2172 01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,520 stands 2173 01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:37,779 next item of business will be to consider approval of the 2174 01:35:37,779 --> 01:35:38,560 planning is 2175 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:43,319 only Commission meeting minutes for January the 11th 2176 01:35:48,119 --> 01:35:50,439 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I will make a motion to 2177 01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,000 approve the 2178 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,800 minutes Commissioner Sullivan okay we have a first and a 2179 01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:57,800 second for approval 2180 01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:05,609 any discussion seeing none will call for a vote on the 2181 01:36:05,609 --> 01:36:06,560 board 2182 01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:31,239 motion carries five zero with one recuse I move us to our 2183 01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:33,239 item three which will be 2184 01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:39,770 our consent agenda Commissioner Taylor I move we approve 2185 01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:41,760 our consent agenda 2186 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,760 Commissioner Roselle I second the motion okay we have a 2187 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,039 first and a second for 2188 01:36:47,039 --> 01:36:54,720 approval any discussion seeing none will call for a vote on 2189 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,000 the board 2190 01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:11,479 motion carries six to zero that will move us to our items 2191 01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,079 four which will be 2192 01:37:13,079 --> 01:37:20,680 individual consideration on our item a which is PZ 17 - 024 2193 01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,640 we have a clerical 2194 01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,739 error on that it was not noticed correctly so we will not 2195 01:37:25,739 --> 01:37:26,600 be hearing that 2196 01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:31,399 tonight and it will be renoticed and come back before this 2197 01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:33,359 Commission with 2198 01:37:33,359 --> 01:37:40,930 that we will move on to item B we'll call on Mike Bell for 2199 01:37:40,930 --> 01:37:43,039 presentation 2200 01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,210 thank you chair members of the Commission this project is 2201 01:38:05,210 --> 01:38:06,279 SP 16 3 it's 2202 01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:10,260 for a retail building at razor ranch town center the 2203 01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:11,960 request is for a hundred 2204 01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,590 and forty three thousand square foot retail development it 2205 01:38:14,590 --> 01:38:15,399 's located in the 2206 01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:19,529 RR 1 sub area of the razor ranch overlay district like all 2207 01:38:19,529 --> 01:38:21,239 razor projects it's 2208 01:38:21,239 --> 01:38:24,170 required to comply with the design guidelines of the 2209 01:38:24,170 --> 01:38:25,479 ordinance and requires 2210 01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,270 a site plan landscape plan and elevations to be approved by 2211 01:38:28,270 --> 01:38:28,520 the 2212 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,699 planning and zoning Commission on the left you'll see the 2213 01:38:32,699 --> 01:38:34,079 overall site plan 2214 01:38:34,079 --> 01:38:37,270 for the the town center area of razor ranch south of 2215 01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:39,000 University Drive there's 2216 01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,470 an University Drive to the north I-35 here on the west the 2217 01:38:43,470 --> 01:38:44,880 subject property is 2218 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,710 located in this area here and on the right is the is a blow 2219 01:38:50,710 --> 01:38:52,199 -up it is located 2220 01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:55,619 just south of the in-and-out and the chilies on University 2221 01:38:55,619 --> 01:38:57,920 Drive and will be 2222 01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,869 there will be three entrances to the side or four inches 2223 01:39:00,869 --> 01:39:02,000 excuse me on all 2224 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,569 four sides as well as an entrance into the what will be the 2225 01:39:04,569 --> 01:39:05,399 town formal town 2226 01:39:05,399 --> 01:39:10,310 center in the center of the project this plan shows the 2227 01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:12,000 northern half of the side 2228 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,579 and the landscape plantings that comply with the code 2229 01:39:14,579 --> 01:39:15,600 requirements in the 2230 01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:22,600 exhibit this is the southern half of the landscape plan 2231 01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,319 these two exhibits show 2232 01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:30,880 the hardscape plan requirements for razor ranch and notice 2233 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:31,920 that there are 2234 01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,760 plaza areas at the entrances as well as some seating areas 2235 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:36,800 and significant 2236 01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:41,119 amount of landscaping around the perimeter of the building 2237 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:43,199 these are two 2238 01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:48,109 elevations for the property this top one is with the view 2239 01:39:48,109 --> 01:39:52,000 from I-35 and the south 2240 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,800 is this one on the bottom would be similar to the north and 2241 01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:56,800 the south sides 2242 01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:04,770 they're very similar this is the north elevation the 2243 01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:05,880 criteria for approval are 2244 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:08,000 listed here outline them in your backup I'd be happy to go 2245 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:08,800 through that if you 2246 01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:13,199 wish based on this criteria staff will recommend approval 2247 01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:14,119 of the site plan and 2248 01:40:14,119 --> 01:40:23,720 I will stand for any questions any questions for staff 2249 01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:27,000 thank you Mike do 2250 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:32,000 you have one card in on this item to speak looks like 2251 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,640 Dustin Gibbs 2252 01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:47,609 please come forward and state your name and address Dustin 2253 01:40:47,609 --> 01:40:51,960 Gibbs my address is 2254 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:59,289 300 Washington Street suite 400 Monroe Louisiana and I'm 2255 01:40:59,289 --> 01:41:00,520 with architecture plus 2256 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,529 for the architects for Dillard's and we weren't really 2257 01:41:03,529 --> 01:41:04,920 wanting to speak but just 2258 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,029 answer any questions that come up about the building elev 2259 01:41:08,029 --> 01:41:09,319 ations or design okay 2260 01:41:09,319 --> 01:41:14,989 when to have any questions thank you thank you for your 2261 01:41:14,989 --> 01:41:15,720 card and support 2262 01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:25,729 appreciate it again this is an individual consideration 2263 01:41:25,729 --> 01:41:26,319 item it's not a 2264 01:41:26,319 --> 01:41:28,590 public hearing but if there's anyone else that wants to 2265 01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:29,319 speak on this item 2266 01:41:29,319 --> 01:41:34,899 you may certainly do so otherwise we will move forward this 2267 01:41:34,899 --> 01:41:36,640 time seeing no 2268 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,000 one else 2269 01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,560 Commissioner Taylor thank you chair I did have a question 2270 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:47,640 of staff mr. Belfort 2271 01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:56,390 come back I'm trying to remember the there there's some 2272 01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:57,399 limit about the the 2273 01:41:57,399 --> 01:42:00,899 amount of kind of flat wall that can face you know a 2274 01:42:00,899 --> 01:42:02,520 parking lot or publicly 2275 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:08,069 viewed area in razor ranch and does this does that apply to 2276 01:42:08,069 --> 01:42:09,159 this building and how 2277 01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:12,579 does like what what mitigating features are there that 2278 01:42:12,579 --> 01:42:13,960 break up the front of the 2279 01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,600 building there are that requirement however there's also 2280 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:17,279 provision that you 2281 01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:19,590 can use trees in place of that and there's a significant 2282 01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:20,279 amount of trees 2283 01:42:20,279 --> 01:42:22,590 along the front to meet that requirement okay so that's and 2284 01:42:22,590 --> 01:42:23,880 that's why it's it's 2285 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,100 it's a fairly flat facade because of because of the landsca 2286 01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:30,119 ping thank you 2287 01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:44,020 Commissioner Tyler I move that we approve this site plan 2288 01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:45,159 Commissioner Ellis 2289 01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:49,039 thank you chair I'll second that okay first and a second 2290 01:42:49,039 --> 01:42:50,399 for approval any 2291 01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:59,960 discussion seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board 2292 01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:12,439 motion is going to carry six to zero that will move us to 2293 01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:15,199 our public hearing 2294 01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:19,520 section tonight at this time I'm going to open the public 2295 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,079 hearing for item a 2296 01:43:21,079 --> 01:43:27,880 HL 16 - 0 0 0 6 and I will call on Roman McEllen for 2297 01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:37,399 presentation good evening 2298 01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:41,420 everyone this was a request for a designating his local 2299 01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:42,640 historic landmark 2300 01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:46,789 and specifically the property at 2106 North Bell Avenue the 2301 01:43:46,789 --> 01:43:47,640 owners are here 2302 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,460 this evening and today we want to hold a public hearing and 2303 01:43:51,460 --> 01:43:52,239 consider making a 2304 01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:55,409 recommendation to the City Council regarding this 2305 01:43:55,409 --> 01:43:56,720 application and the 2306 01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,600 properties on the southeast corner of North Bell Avenue and 2307 01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,239 Sherman Drive and 2308 01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:04,640 I'll answer any questions yeah 2309 01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:12,560 questions for staff did a good presentation work session 2310 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:13,119 thank you 2311 01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:20,520 Roman thank you do you have a card that wishes to to speak 2312 01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:22,720 in support be Gary 2313 01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:27,199 Hayden at 2106 North Bell Avenue please give your name and 2314 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:28,300 address when you come 2315 01:44:28,300 --> 01:44:31,520 the mic and you'll have four minutes hi thanks for hearing 2316 01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:32,600 me okay yes Gary 2317 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:39,439 Hayden 2106 North Bell Ave Denton Texas okay you'd like to 2318 01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:40,119 hear a little bit 2319 01:44:40,119 --> 01:44:43,260 about the history but I'm gonna keep it short the land 2320 01:44:43,260 --> 01:44:44,680 around there seem to have 2321 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,500 come from Governor Reynolds and a land grant he was one of 2322 01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:48,239 the governors 2323 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:55,840 between Texas Republic and the CSA Mr. Albert Woodrum is 2324 01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,520 the fellow who built 2325 01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:01,760 the house and I was told he was a self-made man it seems 2326 01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:02,399 that he was an 2327 01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:06,680 early service stations around here and he added on to the 2328 01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,119 house about six or 2329 01:45:08,119 --> 01:45:12,180 seven years after he built it and we have some indication 2330 01:45:12,180 --> 01:45:13,319 that he might have 2331 01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:17,850 been prosperous because we have a photo family photo of a 2332 01:45:17,850 --> 01:45:19,479 bear rug in front of 2333 01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:26,029 the fireplace and it's a polar bear rug so he we think he 2334 01:45:26,029 --> 01:45:26,560 did okay 2335 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:33,039 Judge Boyd moved in next he was very well respected he was 2336 01:45:33,039 --> 01:45:34,600 in the house about 2337 01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:40,199 20 years his wife was very active in women's federations 2338 01:45:40,199 --> 01:45:41,840 around Texas and so 2339 01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:49,529 my home was a hotbed of I don't know tea parties and garden 2340 01:45:49,529 --> 01:45:50,560 parties and things 2341 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:57,000 like that okay we know the house was used for Sunday school 2342 01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,560 Denton precinct 2343 01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:03,539 meetings Democratic precinct meetings dr. Weathers lived 2344 01:46:03,539 --> 01:46:04,399 there for a little while 2345 01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:09,399 about 20 years we had some other folks in there one of the 2346 01:46:09,399 --> 01:46:10,359 things that when Deb 2347 01:46:10,359 --> 01:46:14,439 and I moved in her wife Deb Conti is here the other owner 2348 01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:16,159 when we moved in it 2349 01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:20,920 wasn't long after that Peggy Caps and the city Main Street 2350 01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:21,880 came to us and said 2351 01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,920 gee wouldn't be nice to have an historical district here 2352 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:26,600 and so the 2353 01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:29,720 first meeting for the Bell Avenue Conservation District was 2354 01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:30,319 held in our 2355 01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:35,060 house and the neighbors got together and that's now reality 2356 01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:36,600 so unless you have 2357 01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:42,920 any other questions about the history I thank you very much 2358 01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,199 just make a comment 2359 01:46:44,199 --> 01:46:46,989 we saw pictures in the work session of your home and it's a 2360 01:46:46,989 --> 01:46:48,199 beautiful home so 2361 01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:51,140 congratulations and I've done my hard work on it thank you 2362 01:46:51,140 --> 01:46:54,000 very much you got 2363 01:46:57,239 --> 01:46:59,670 and this is a public hearing anyone else who would like to 2364 01:46:59,670 --> 01:47:01,279 speak on this item 2365 01:47:01,279 --> 01:47:08,340 please come forward at this time seeing none close the 2366 01:47:08,340 --> 01:47:10,039 public hearing and open 2367 01:47:10,039 --> 01:47:13,329 the floor for discussion or emotion Commissioner Rizel 2368 01:47:13,329 --> 01:47:14,880 thank you chair I just 2369 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,039 wanted to say thank you for the hard work you put into the 2370 01:47:17,039 --> 01:47:18,239 house and providing 2371 01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,279 us the history it's always at least for me on the 2372 01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:21,600 Commission fund to see those 2373 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,390 come through and it's a joy to to be able to put those 2374 01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:25,640 forth to the council 2375 01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:27,909 for approval and so thank you for being here and thank you 2376 01:47:27,909 --> 01:47:28,600 for your home and 2377 01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,920 Denton with that I motion to approve this agenda item 2378 01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:34,920 Commissioner Ellis and 2379 01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,989 I will second that and also would like to say I'm thrilled 2380 01:47:37,989 --> 01:47:39,239 to support this this 2381 01:47:39,239 --> 01:47:42,439 home has caught my eye every it does every time I'm at the 2382 01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:43,760 intersection so 2383 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,460 it's always made me smile and it will make me smile even 2384 01:47:46,460 --> 01:47:47,359 more now with the 2385 01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:55,000 designation we have a first and a second for approval any 2386 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,119 discussion seeing none 2387 01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:09,289 we'll call for a vote on the board motion carries six to 2388 01:48:09,289 --> 01:48:13,119 zero congratulations 2389 01:48:17,359 --> 01:48:36,850 that will move us to item B and I've read a question okay 2390 01:48:36,850 --> 01:48:41,359 under item B and C 2391 01:48:41,359 --> 01:48:45,890 we had quite a bit of discussion in our work session so 2392 01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:47,640 before I open those 2393 01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,930 public hearings I don't know if there was a commissioner 2394 01:48:50,930 --> 01:48:52,600 that wants to make a 2395 01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:58,640 motion before we open these for continuance Commissioner R 2396 01:48:58,640 --> 01:48:59,520 izel as you 2397 01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,229 said thank you chair because of the discussion I would 2398 01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:03,359 motion I'm not sure 2399 01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:06,239 if these need two separate motions so I just motion for 2400 01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:07,880 clarification from legal 2401 01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,720 separate or one together they were both have the same I 2402 01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:12,520 would go ahead and make 2403 01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,699 them separate motions separate okay another motion item DCA 2404 01:49:16,699 --> 01:49:19,000 17 3 to be 2405 01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:26,569 continued to a date uncertain that would be postponed inde 2406 01:49:26,569 --> 01:49:28,159 finitely until it comes 2407 01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:31,119 back onto your agenda then I motion for it to be postponed 2408 01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:34,000 indefinitely 2409 01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:38,899 Commissioner Ellis I will second them second that okay have 2410 01:49:38,899 --> 01:49:39,600 a first and a 2411 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:47,199 second to postpone indefinitely any discussion Commissioner 2412 01:49:47,199 --> 01:49:48,960 Taylor thank you 2413 01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:53,199 chair so I don't know if anybody in the audience is 2414 01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:54,920 following this issue the 2415 01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:59,529 this was a cleanup of our parking standards but it also 2416 01:49:59,529 --> 01:50:01,359 included several 2417 01:50:01,359 --> 01:50:07,960 nuanced changes to parking islands landscape coverage etc I 2418 01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:09,359 personally feel 2419 01:50:09,359 --> 01:50:13,800 like this this proposal is moving in the right direction it 2420 01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:14,920 's going to make 2421 01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:19,119 parking lots nicer in Denton it provides for bike parking 2422 01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:22,319 it removes a few of the 2423 01:50:22,319 --> 01:50:25,880 old kind of restrictions we had that led to a lot of ADPs 2424 01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:27,039 for rather minor 2425 01:50:27,039 --> 01:50:30,390 requests like a maximum parking that we used to have in the 2426 01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:31,439 old code is being 2427 01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,859 removed so now there isn't a maximum parking requirement 2428 01:50:34,859 --> 01:50:36,399 for pervious paving 2429 01:50:36,399 --> 01:50:39,479 that in my time here I think I've seen just maybe two or 2430 01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:40,779 three projects in the 2431 01:50:40,779 --> 01:50:43,310 last five and a half years that did the previous paving and 2432 01:50:43,310 --> 01:50:44,279 everybody else came 2433 01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:47,840 in and asked for a variance to not do previous paving so as 2434 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:48,920 much as I'd like 2435 01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:52,819 to see previous paving it obviously wasn't feasible and so 2436 01:50:52,819 --> 01:50:54,319 we do have some 2437 01:50:54,319 --> 01:50:58,079 questions about cost and some details of implementation but 2438 01:50:58,079 --> 01:50:59,239 I do think this is a 2439 01:50:59,239 --> 01:51:04,140 step in the right direction Commissioner Roselle thank you 2440 01:51:04,140 --> 01:51:06,079 chair I just mostly 2441 01:51:06,079 --> 01:51:08,930 probably want to echo Commissioner Taylor's points I think 2442 01:51:08,930 --> 01:51:09,920 this is moving 2443 01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,229 in the right direction what I'd like to see when it comes 2444 01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:12,800 back is more 2445 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:16,220 information about the real costs as well as I brought up in 2446 01:51:16,220 --> 01:51:17,760 work session thoughts 2447 01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:22,890 about aligning bike stand incentives with the bike plan 2448 01:51:22,890 --> 01:51:24,239 that we have in place 2449 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:27,880 to maybe join those together to further incentivize bike 2450 01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,399 traffic where the city 2451 01:51:29,399 --> 01:51:31,960 has already kind of thought through where bikes would be so 2452 01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:32,640 hopefully when it 2453 01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,460 comes back those two things as well as some discussion from 2454 01:51:35,460 --> 01:51:36,039 the Dinton 2455 01:51:36,039 --> 01:51:39,909 development group would be helpful to getting even more 2456 01:51:39,909 --> 01:51:41,439 context to the impact 2457 01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:46,920 of these changes have Commissioner Hussbeth thank you chair 2458 01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,439 so I want to 2459 01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:53,949 make sure kind of a note for staff that I do like the 2460 01:51:53,949 --> 01:51:56,640 provision for the bike racks 2461 01:51:56,640 --> 01:52:02,000 only in that we have quite the active community in that 2462 01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,239 segment of our 2463 01:52:03,239 --> 01:52:08,000 community and I think it's important for us to be sensitive 2464 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:09,680 to to their thoughts 2465 01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:13,100 and and desires and so I think there's a there's a meeting 2466 01:52:13,100 --> 01:52:14,560 of the minds to be had 2467 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,909 but I do want to see that provision stay in some capacity 2468 01:52:18,909 --> 01:52:21,279 because I I agree the 2469 01:52:21,279 --> 01:52:27,689 cost is is not that significant and it's going to be asked 2470 01:52:27,689 --> 01:52:28,960 of every project 2471 01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:33,000 anyway so we should probably be on the front end of that 2472 01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,600 and then I think the 2473 01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:41,510 other thing that jumps out at me is that I think there were 2474 01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:42,760 some fair questions 2475 01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:47,229 about the clarity of how to read the charts the graphs that 2476 01:52:47,229 --> 01:52:48,520 type thing I'd 2477 01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:51,869 like to see some some different options as far as how to 2478 01:52:51,869 --> 01:52:53,640 combine those matrices 2479 01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:58,189 to to make sure that that's user-friendly and then lastly 2480 01:52:58,189 --> 01:52:58,600 if we 2481 01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,890 could just as I said before in the development code I do 2482 01:53:01,890 --> 01:53:03,079 want to meet 2483 01:53:03,079 --> 01:53:05,550 with the building community but I want to hold their feet 2484 01:53:05,550 --> 01:53:06,520 to the fire so I 2485 01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:10,170 would encourage staff to have specific notes because if 2486 01:53:10,170 --> 01:53:11,560 there is if there are 2487 01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:14,680 developers that just continue to vacillate and won't give a 2488 01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:15,359 number and 2489 01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:19,159 won't lock in then then I think the record should reflect 2490 01:53:19,159 --> 01:53:20,319 that going forward 2491 01:53:20,319 --> 01:53:22,850 so that we can we can lend proper weight to those 2492 01:53:22,850 --> 01:53:24,920 individuals and those that are 2493 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:29,720 willing to come to the table and negotiate in earnest then 2494 01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:30,840 that carries a 2495 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:34,090 different weight in my eyes but I want to have transcripts 2496 01:53:34,090 --> 01:53:35,159 that then kind of 2497 01:53:35,159 --> 01:53:39,869 clearly line out those individuals that just refuse to to 2498 01:53:39,869 --> 01:53:41,399 lock in and those 2499 01:53:41,399 --> 01:53:46,529 that just will perpetually vacillate so that we can we can 2500 01:53:46,529 --> 01:53:49,399 I personally can 2501 01:53:49,399 --> 01:53:55,560 account for that so thank you I've got some comments as 2502 01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:56,079 well I had a 2503 01:53:56,079 --> 01:54:00,880 number of questions in work session along with Commissioner 2504 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:01,600 Taylor I know 2505 01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:05,880 there are some things in this cleanup that are probably 2506 01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:07,399 overdue I did have 2507 01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:10,430 some concerns and brought those up in work session about 2508 01:54:10,430 --> 01:54:11,600 some of the costs and 2509 01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:15,409 the changes that were made and my concerns really stem from 2510 01:54:15,409 --> 01:54:16,520 standpoint of 2511 01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:20,840 not having impact from the stakeholders and the people that 2512 01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:22,399 will be asked to 2513 01:54:22,399 --> 01:54:25,659 make these changes and comply with these new regulations I 2514 01:54:25,659 --> 01:54:26,600 think once those 2515 01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,760 answers are provided and some of the costs associated I 2516 01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:32,119 think we can have a 2517 01:54:32,119 --> 01:54:35,170 productive discussion in our next work session and have 2518 01:54:35,170 --> 01:54:36,000 this item back 2519 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:41,640 hopefully fairly soon Commissioner Ellis thank you chair 2520 01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:42,399 and one thing I just 2521 01:54:42,399 --> 01:54:46,130 wanted to add when this does come back before us is maybe 2522 01:54:46,130 --> 01:54:47,760 we can have you know 2523 01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:52,390 a workshop session in our work session then you could take 2524 01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:52,920 a lot of our 2525 01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,189 suggestions maybe and hear them and then maybe implement 2526 01:54:56,189 --> 01:54:57,399 them and then bring it 2527 01:54:57,399 --> 01:55:00,739 back to us I think that would that would help since since 2528 01:55:00,739 --> 01:55:01,880 many of us had concern 2529 01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:07,920 on clarity and and and questions and needed more than was 2530 01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:09,079 given to us today I 2531 01:55:09,079 --> 01:55:14,430 think that would be appreciative when it does come back any 2532 01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:19,520 other comments okay 2533 01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:23,399 with that we have a first and a second for continuance to 2534 01:55:23,399 --> 01:55:25,000 date certain and 2535 01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:34,319 we'll call for a vote on the board do we not have a second 2536 01:55:34,319 --> 01:55:37,239 just for my clarity 2537 01:55:37,239 --> 01:55:42,239 do we have a first and a second on this item okay great 2538 01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:45,680 okay with that a first 2539 01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:50,640 and a second call for a vote on the board 2540 01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:02,039 motion carries six zero to continue indefinitely I will 2541 01:56:02,039 --> 01:56:06,000 record on this item 2542 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,680 it was a public hearing since we've continued it prior to 2543 01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:09,680 opening the public 2544 01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:12,439 hearing whenever it's put on the agenda in the future we 2545 01:56:12,439 --> 01:56:13,720 would have to re-notice 2546 01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:17,180 it just so that the public is aware and if anybody came to 2547 01:56:17,180 --> 01:56:18,399 speak on that item 2548 01:56:18,399 --> 01:56:26,159 today obviously we won't have those speeches today okay 2549 01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:27,560 that will move us to 2550 01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:32,479 our item C we had some similar discussion in our work 2551 01:56:32,479 --> 01:56:33,920 session and so 2552 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,960 prior to opening the work session I'm going to open the 2553 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:38,159 floor here to see if 2554 01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:43,289 Commissioner would like to offer a motion to continue this 2555 01:56:43,289 --> 01:56:44,359 item as well 2556 01:56:45,319 --> 01:56:49,819 Commissioner Tyler again this is this is kind of similar to 2557 01:56:49,819 --> 01:56:52,119 the last one where in 2558 01:56:52,119 --> 01:56:57,800 general the I think the code is good we I had a concern 2559 01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:03,439 about the fixed rate of 2560 01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:10,800 points needed per type as opposed to kind of the old matrix 2561 01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:11,520 style where 2562 01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:13,829 industrial next to commercial needs less buffer than 2563 01:57:13,829 --> 01:57:14,720 industrial next to 2564 01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,720 residential and I would I would prefer it go back to the 2565 01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:19,880 the older style matrix 2566 01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:23,550 and I do really like the point system and it makes it a 2567 01:57:23,550 --> 01:57:25,439 little more complex and 2568 01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:28,920 somebody's got to work a little bit harder to maybe to it 2569 01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:29,840 isn't just as 2570 01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:32,840 clean read of here's a type a buffer you shall have a tree 2571 01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:34,199 every 20 feet and a 2572 01:57:34,199 --> 01:57:37,550 shrub every 16 feet or whatever it is but it does give a 2573 01:57:37,550 --> 01:57:38,399 lot more flexibility 2574 01:57:38,399 --> 01:57:42,270 and I think in general this is good but because of the 2575 01:57:42,270 --> 01:57:43,680 changes and other 2576 01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:47,100 concerns I believe the Commission has I move to postpone 2577 01:57:47,100 --> 01:57:47,800 this item 2578 01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:55,560 indefinitely Commissioner Ozel thank you chair as I 2579 01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:56,720 mentioned the work session I 2580 01:57:56,720 --> 01:58:01,630 would like to see a merge between the current grid system 2581 01:58:01,630 --> 01:58:03,199 for buffers with the 2582 01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:06,470 ABCD and the new point system I do think the point system 2583 01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:08,479 is a step forward but 2584 01:58:08,479 --> 01:58:11,020 as I brought up in work session there seems to be some 2585 01:58:11,020 --> 01:58:12,079 built-in loopholes 2586 01:58:12,079 --> 01:58:16,109 already there so I'd love to see those point systems 10 20 2587 01:58:16,109 --> 01:58:17,600 30 50 I think up to 2588 01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:22,510 50 correlated back to an ABCD type matrix or whatever the 2589 01:58:22,510 --> 01:58:23,119 solution might be 2590 01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:26,760 with that though I second this motion to postpone inde 2591 01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,319 finitely okay I have a first 2592 01:58:29,319 --> 01:58:33,710 and a second to propose to continue this item indefinitely 2593 01:58:33,710 --> 01:58:35,319 any other discussion 2594 01:58:35,319 --> 01:58:44,180 or questions I can't speak seeing none I'll call for a vote 2595 01:58:44,180 --> 01:58:47,399 on the board 2596 01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:59,760 the motion to continue indefinitely passes six to zero that 2597 01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,039 will move us to 2598 01:59:01,039 --> 01:59:08,439 item D and I believe on a clarification from legal we're 2599 01:59:08,439 --> 01:59:09,760 gonna open this and 2600 01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,449 then continue it rather than continue it's gonna same 2601 01:59:13,449 --> 01:59:17,039 motion okay on item D I'm going to 2602 01:59:17,039 --> 01:59:22,640 open the public hearing for Z 16 - zero zero one and this 2603 01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:23,800 item has been 2604 01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:26,739 requested to be postponed so the chair would entertain a 2605 01:59:26,739 --> 01:59:28,399 motion for it to be 2606 01:59:28,399 --> 01:59:33,539 continued to February the 8th Commissioner Roselle I motion 2607 01:59:33,539 --> 01:59:33,800 for this 2608 01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:37,859 item to be postponed to the February 8th planning zoning 2609 01:59:37,859 --> 01:59:38,640 meeting okay 2610 01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:42,250 Commissioner Hussman second okay we have a first and a 2611 01:59:42,250 --> 01:59:46,399 second any discussion 2612 01:59:48,119 --> 01:59:52,560 seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board 2613 01:59:58,399 --> 02:00:12,720 motion carries six to zero and I want to make an 2614 02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,279 announcement on this item the 2615 02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:18,130 clarification from legal that says this item has been 2616 02:00:18,130 --> 02:00:20,239 opened and continued that 2617 02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:23,390 anyone who's posted a card at this time will be able to 2618 02:00:23,390 --> 02:00:24,840 come and speak we don't 2619 02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:31,579 have any cards on this item I'm sorry but if if when this 2620 02:00:31,579 --> 02:00:32,960 item comes back it 2621 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,520 will be a public hearing and anyone would that would like 2622 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:36,359 to speak may come 2623 02:00:36,359 --> 02:00:44,460 forward at that time and then that will move us to item E 2624 02:00:44,460 --> 02:00:45,239 and we have a 2625 02:00:45,239 --> 02:00:50,039 clarification on that this was noticed as building 2626 02:00:50,039 --> 02:00:52,159 materials and it has been 2627 02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:55,449 postponed indefinitely these are the same items in regards 2628 02:00:55,449 --> 02:00:56,039 to the didn't 2629 02:00:56,039 --> 02:00:59,060 development code and the building materials notice it was 2630 02:00:59,060 --> 02:00:59,720 posted didn't 2631 02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:02,760 record Chronicle just will make that clarification for the 2632 02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:04,239 record and it has 2633 02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:07,659 been postponed indefinitely and we'll be taking no action 2634 02:01:07,659 --> 02:01:10,159 on that tonight this 2635 02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:16,479 will move us to our project matrix and concluding items and 2636 02:01:16,479 --> 02:01:17,880 first item I have 2637 02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:22,130 as a note here is that Mike Bell is going to be leaving the 2638 02:01:22,130 --> 02:01:23,359 city of Denton 2639 02:01:23,359 --> 02:01:28,329 and we wish him well in his endeavors and want to thank him 2640 02:01:28,329 --> 02:01:29,760 for his service 2641 02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:34,750 here at the city has always been a great person to go to 2642 02:01:34,750 --> 02:01:36,880 for questions and very 2643 02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:40,260 knowledgeable and you will be missed so congratulations and 2644 02:01:40,260 --> 02:01:41,479 good luck on your new 2645 02:01:41,479 --> 02:01:47,859 opportunity and plan will miss you and with that we'll open 2646 02:01:47,859 --> 02:01:50,359 the floor for items 2647 02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:55,000 to be put on our agenda for in the future 2648 02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:59,560 are there any items to be added to the future agenda's 2649 02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:03,119 matrix yeah I have 2650 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:07,279 something to bring up by it and Rowan McAllen's talk today 2651 02:02:07,279 --> 02:02:08,239 we asked him about 2652 02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:13,159 proactive ways to incentivize or to help with the fitzl its 2653 02:02:13,159 --> 02:02:14,119 facilitation of 2654 02:02:14,119 --> 02:02:18,920 the stork applications what process needs to happen in 2655 02:02:18,920 --> 02:02:20,479 order to look into 2656 02:02:20,479 --> 02:02:24,020 those fees that he talked about specifically is it in our 2657 02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:24,739 purview to 2658 02:02:24,739 --> 02:02:31,560 bring up the discussion about waiving that $265 I don't 2659 02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:32,300 think it's be added to the 2660 02:02:32,300 --> 02:02:36,270 matrix or followed up offline but I'd love to see what we 2661 02:02:36,270 --> 02:02:37,399 can do to if he has 2662 02:02:37,399 --> 02:02:41,920 two applications that are not happening because of $265 I'd 2663 02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:42,439 like to see how we 2664 02:02:42,439 --> 02:02:47,920 can help out that process 2665 02:02:58,720 --> 02:02:59,939 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I don't know if this is 2666 02:02:59,939 --> 02:03:02,960 for the matrix 2667 02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:08,029 certainly a concern and and you can tell me where it needs 2668 02:03:08,029 --> 02:03:09,439 to go we had some 2669 02:03:09,439 --> 02:03:13,060 confusion last meeting about discussion at work session and 2670 02:03:13,060 --> 02:03:13,680 what should be 2671 02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:16,909 discussed at work session and what should hold off till the 2672 02:03:16,909 --> 02:03:17,560 meeting in 2673 02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:23,479 chambers I'm thinking can we have maybe discussion on that 2674 02:03:23,479 --> 02:03:24,600 I feel like 2675 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:28,279 sometimes yeah at work session I do feel like sometimes the 2676 02:03:28,279 --> 02:03:29,760 public is left out 2677 02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,850 because we if they don't watch the work session I know it's 2678 02:03:32,850 --> 02:03:34,000 being recorded so it 2679 02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:38,020 is available certainly but sometimes when we get to this 2680 02:03:38,020 --> 02:03:42,680 point I guess yeah if we 2681 02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:47,829 could discuss that further that would be appreciated okay I 2682 02:03:47,829 --> 02:03:51,199 guess the only item 2683 02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:55,199 nobody has anything else is I appreciate it getting the 2684 02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:56,960 handout last meeting 2685 02:03:56,960 --> 02:04:03,000 about Ryan Road I didn't see anything on Mayhill and I've 2686 02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:03,960 actually had now a call 2687 02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:08,229 from somebody wanting to have an update on that and wanting 2688 02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:08,840 to know what I know 2689 02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:12,590 about it so is that plan to come before us or we're just 2690 02:04:12,590 --> 02:04:13,319 going to get a handout 2691 02:04:13,319 --> 02:04:16,609 on that I know we've been brought up now I think three or 2692 02:04:16,609 --> 02:04:19,079 four meetings so the 2693 02:04:19,079 --> 02:04:22,859 actual the memo for may he'll was prepared in October it 2694 02:04:22,859 --> 02:04:24,520 came as an email 2695 02:04:24,520 --> 02:04:32,800 to the PNC so we can be send that if we need to I missed it 2696 02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,359 okay we'll we'll 2697 02:04:34,359 --> 02:04:38,199 rescind that okay thank you I wouldn't have kept asking 2698 02:04:38,199 --> 02:04:39,239 about it if you just 2699 02:04:39,239 --> 02:04:47,560 said hey you just gotta check your email thank you anybody 2700 02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:50,359 else okay with that I 2701 02:04:50,359 --> 02:04:55,489 will close our meeting this evening at 7 o 5 thank you 2702 02:04:55,489 --> 02:04:56,479 everyone and thanks to the 2703 02:04:56,479 --> 02:04:58,720 public