WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.519 for January 11th 2017. This meeting has been duly posted 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:06.519 and we have a quorum 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:10.609 present and I'm gonna call our work session to order at 435 00:00:10.609 --> 00:00:12.199 . Our first order 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.400 of business is going to be to receive a presentation by 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:17.399 Clarion Associates and I 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:20.539 will turn it over to Shondria for introductions on that. 00:00:20.539 --> 00:00:22.199 Thank you. I'd like 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:27.760 to invite Tyrick Wi-Fi and Matt Goble from Clarion Associ 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:29.000 ates up to the podium. 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:32.649 They are working with us on the DIN development code 00:00:32.649 --> 00:00:34.880 rewrite project which 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:42.079 was initially started in 2013 actually. Over the course of 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:43.079 I guess the last few 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.909 years the project has somewhat stalled out but we are reign 00:00:46.909 --> 00:00:47.840 iting that and 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:52.109 hopefully gonna complete it and get a code that we can 00:00:52.109 --> 00:00:53.920 actually use and help 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.070 implement our comprehensive plan and other initiatives that 00:00:57.070 --> 00:00:57.679 we have as a 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:15.219 city. So I invite Matt up. All set? All right thank you Sh 00:01:15.219 --> 00:01:16.719 andrian. Hello 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.400 Commission members it's good to be here. Again my name is 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:20.560 Matt Goble from Clarion 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.620 Associates. I recognize I think a couple of your faces but 00:01:23.620 --> 00:01:24.879 several new faces as 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:28.450 well. So thank you for the opportunity to present this 00:01:28.450 --> 00:01:29.359 afternoon. We are very 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.180 excited to kind of re-kick this project off and I want to 00:01:32.180 --> 00:01:33.319 tell you a little bit 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.189 in this presentation about just remind you who we are and 00:01:36.189 --> 00:01:37.400 what we do and what 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.560 the scope of the project is going to be. You're going to be 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:40.439 seeing us many times 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.430 over the next year and a half or so but wanted to give you 00:01:43.430 --> 00:01:44.159 a good introduction 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:49.920 today. I will kick it off with an agenda slide and just 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:50.319 walk you 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:52.650 through what we would like to cover. I'm going to cover 00:01:52.650 --> 00:01:53.640 about the first half of 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.859 the presentation and my colleague Tarik is going to cover 00:01:55.859 --> 00:01:56.719 about the second half. 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.650 We're going to give you introductions first of all remind 00:01:59.650 --> 00:02:00.400 you about who 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:05.280 Clarion is and the nature of our work generally. Then we're 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:05.760 going to talk about 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.599 the specific scope of work that we have for Benton and 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:09.800 exactly what we're going 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.020 to be doing with the city over the next year and a year and 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:14.719 a half or so. Then 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.599 we're going to be reminding you a little bit about some of 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:17.280 the work that we have 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.250 already done. When we kicked this project off initially we 00:02:20.250 --> 00:02:21.560 had a good set of 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.240 interviews with a lot of stakeholders in the community to 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:25.199 find out issues that 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.530 were involved in land use and zoning in Denton. Things 00:02:29.530 --> 00:02:30.280 about the Denton 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.590 Development Code that needed to be improved. So we're going 00:02:32.590 --> 00:02:33.080 to remind you 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.840 about some of those issues that we identified early on but 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:36.560 also some new 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:38.960 issues that you've identified since then especially 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.280 relating to the adoption of 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:44.300 the new plan. Then we'll talk about finally just kind of 00:02:44.300 --> 00:02:45.000 next steps and 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.569 discussion and I think we have plenty of time for Q&A. So 00:02:47.569 --> 00:02:48.719 that's our roadmap for 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:53.550 where we're going and let me just jump right in. Okay 00:02:53.550 --> 00:02:55.919 thanks. So very briefly on 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.990 background. Clarion Associates we're based in Denver. Tarek 00:02:58.990 --> 00:02:59.719 and I live up in 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.400 Denver. We're a national consulting firm but we're actually 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:03.000 fairly small. We've 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.460 got about ten folks in Denver. We have about ten folks in 00:03:05.460 --> 00:03:06.319 Chapel Hill, North 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.360 Carolina as well. We roughly work on the western side of 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:10.319 the country. They roughly 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.449 work on the eastern side of the country. We have done, we 00:03:13.449 --> 00:03:15.199 work primarily on plan 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.439 implementation. My actual training is as an attorney and 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:20.639 also a planner and we 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:23.530 have a lot of folks with that combination in the office and 00:03:23.530 --> 00:03:23.960 we like to 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.990 focus on plan implementation. Really understanding the 00:03:26.990 --> 00:03:28.199 legal issues involved 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.770 in bringing plans to life and making them enforceable. We 00:03:31.770 --> 00:03:32.479 have a 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:35.360 multidisciplinary firm as it's shown here. We really focus 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:36.800 on trying to make all of 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.620 our projects innovative and user-friendly. We have done a 00:03:39.620 --> 00:03:40.120 lot of work 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.680 in Texas actually. I grew up in Dallas. I went to school 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:44.759 down in Austin, UT. We, I 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.889 love coming back to Texas and we've worked in a number of 00:03:46.889 --> 00:03:47.520 communities, 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.340 Arlington, Austin, San Antonio is not there but we've 00:03:50.340 --> 00:03:51.599 worked there as well. So 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.819 we know the state well. I'm joined by my colleague Tarek, T 00:03:54.819 --> 00:03:56.439 arek Wafai, a planner 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:58.490 as well and so you'll be hearing from him in the second 00:03:58.490 --> 00:03:59.000 half of the 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.620 presentation. That's a very fast introduction but let's 00:04:03.620 --> 00:04:04.400 just walk now 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:08.919 into the scope of the work and remind you kind of what the 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:09.280 project 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.990 involves. You've seen some of this material before but it's 00:04:12.990 --> 00:04:13.199 very, it's always 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.900 good to start with the beginning. Start with the project 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.040 goals. Make a dent in 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.879 development code that is, that is clearer and easier to use 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:22.560 . That is really just 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.459 kind of goal number one for the overall project. There's 00:04:25.459 --> 00:04:26.519 some good material in 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.730 the existing dent in development code. A lot of thoughtful 00:04:28.730 --> 00:04:29.600 people over the years 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.230 have contributed some very good thinking to that but it's 00:04:32.230 --> 00:04:33.439 become, you know, what 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.459 you see in many communities over time. It's kind of a 00:04:35.459 --> 00:04:36.720 Frankenstein document. You 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.170 know, you've got just, it's been piecemeal amended in 00:04:39.170 --> 00:04:40.680 different ways. You've got a 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.740 pretty unwieldy structure. You've got 30 plus chapters 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:44.800 dealing with different 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.050 discrete topics and we heard from the staff, we heard from 00:04:48.050 --> 00:04:49.079 the development 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.060 community that it's challenging to use and so cleaning it 00:04:52.060 --> 00:04:53.160 up is a first goal of 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.959 ours. Making sure that the process as we rewrite the code 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:58.040 is open and inclusive 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.100 and that we hear from the neighborhoods, we hear from the 00:05:00.100 --> 00:05:01.000 development community, 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.089 we hear from the staff, making sure that everyone has a 00:05:04.089 --> 00:05:05.319 voice in the development 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.399 of the new documents. Respecting Denton's past efforts and 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:09.399 decisions, you know, we 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.649 don't need to reinvent the wheel on a lot of these things. 00:05:11.649 --> 00:05:12.519 You've done a lot of 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.769 good thinking, as I've said, but we need to make sure that 00:05:15.769 --> 00:05:16.839 we build on the strong 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.649 work that's already been done and then think pragmatically, 00:05:19.649 --> 00:05:20.680 you know, focus on 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:23.639 solutions that work. That's always important for the work 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:24.079 that we do. 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:29.779 So those are high-level goals. Let's talk about the scope 00:05:29.779 --> 00:05:31.199 of work. It is very 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.769 broadly divided into three tasks. We are kicking off the 00:05:34.769 --> 00:05:36.439 project, kind of re-kicking 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:38.910 off the project again today with task one, which is 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:40.120 involving a series of 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.079 kickoff meetings like this one, like a meeting that we'll 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:44.160 have tomorrow with the 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:48.370 staff. We're going to be doing that over the next couple of 00:05:48.370 --> 00:05:49.279 days and then 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.550 following up with Shandrin and Manal over the next couple 00:05:51.550 --> 00:05:52.600 of weeks, but then 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:54.939 we are immediately going to jump right into the drafting 00:05:54.939 --> 00:05:55.639 process and the 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.519 drafting of the new Denton development code will take the 00:05:58.519 --> 00:05:59.399 bulk of the project. 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.399 It'll take us right through the end of the year and then 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:02.199 there's going to be 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.829 some adoption steps as well. Let me get into some more 00:06:04.829 --> 00:06:05.920 detail on each of those 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.199 tasks. The project initiation involves these kickoff 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:10.399 meetings. So we're meeting 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:12.560 with you all, with the Planning and Zoning Commission, 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:13.879 because the P&Z is 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.850 always a key stakeholder for an update of a development 00:06:16.850 --> 00:06:18.480 code and your feedback is 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.790 really crucial as we move through a project like this. We 00:06:21.790 --> 00:06:22.600 want to spend time 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.490 with you today hearing about your issues and your 00:06:25.490 --> 00:06:27.040 priorities for this project. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.069 So I'm going to come back and ask you about that at the end 00:06:29.069 --> 00:06:29.680 of the meeting. 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.100 We're going to be meeting with staff as well. You've got 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:33.279 some new faces around 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.680 the staff table since we initially kicked off the project. 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:37.439 And we're going to be 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.579 meeting with all the groups that are represented on the 00:06:40.579 --> 00:06:41.279 Development Review 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.269 Committee tomorrow morning to find out about kind of what's 00:06:44.269 --> 00:06:44.920 in the hopper. 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.500 What are the irons in the fire? What are the various 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:47.879 projects that are underway 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.850 that will influence the drafting of the new code? We'll be 00:06:50.850 --> 00:06:51.800 also, as part of this 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.439 Task 1, developing a public participation strategy that 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:57.759 specifically kind of 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.310 identifies the different groups and the different 00:07:00.310 --> 00:07:01.839 opportunities that we have to 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:04.399 reach out to the community to find out, you know, from the 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:05.399 development community, 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.480 from the neighborhoods, what they would like to see in the 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:08.240 development code. 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.449 And we'll be documenting that strategy as part of a memo 00:07:12.449 --> 00:07:13.560 that we work on with 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:18.279 staff. And then we're doing our homework as well as part of 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:19.600 this initiation. 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.180 We know a lot about Dutton already, but there's new things 00:07:22.180 --> 00:07:23.040 that have been done, 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.829 as I've said, new draft pending ordinances that we have to 00:07:25.829 --> 00:07:26.759 come up to speed on, 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.399 all those types of things will help inform the work that we 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:31.319 're doing. 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.079 Then we get into the drafting, and this is the fun stuff. 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.759 The drafting, I think the prior slide said March, but it's 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:37.160 actually going to 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.910 start almost immediately in January. And this is a complex 00:07:40.910 --> 00:07:42.079 slide, but it's just 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:44.839 intended to show that we are going to break the drafting 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.120 down incrementally. 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.439 We like to call the different chunks of the code modules. 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.160 So there's kind of, there's a module, first of all, that's 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:52.800 going to deal with 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.160 administration and procedures. So this is, for example, 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:56.920 where we would 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.379 codify that new site plan procedure that has been drafted 00:08:01.379 --> 00:08:02.639 informally and it's 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.800 now being put into practice, but it needs to be put into 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:06.480 the new development code. 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.680 So that's the first module, administration and procedures. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.360 The second module is the districts, the zoning districts 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:13.319 that the city's divided 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.120 into, uses allowed within the districts. And then finally, 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.079 development and design 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.769 standards, everything that affects the quality of 00:08:19.769 --> 00:08:21.800 development and redevelopment, 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.120 parking standards, building design standards, landscaping, 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:26.399 that kind of stuff. 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.050 So for each one of these modules, we're going to be working 00:08:29.050 --> 00:08:30.079 through a sequential 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.970 process where we first of all do the drafting. We produce a 00:08:33.970 --> 00:08:34.960 draft that we then 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.679 work on with a core group of staff, with Shandrian and Men 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:39.080 al. 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:42.039 That's the internal review box. Then we'll be turning 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:42.799 around a revised 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.980 draft based on our work with them into a public review 00:08:45.980 --> 00:08:47.279 draft that then becomes 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.960 available for public meetings. And then Tarek and I will be 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:50.320 out for 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.529 meetings in Denton on each one of these drafts sequentially 00:08:54.529 --> 00:08:55.519 , starting in the 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.669 spring and then moving right through towards the end of the 00:08:58.669 --> 00:08:59.200 year. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.100 We will be getting feedback along the way on each one of 00:09:02.100 --> 00:09:03.120 those modules. 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.450 And then we'll be preparing a consolidated draft at the end 00:09:05.450 --> 00:09:06.639 of the year that 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.830 incorporates feedback on everything that we've heard so far 00:09:09.830 --> 00:09:10.080 . 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.659 So after we hear feedback on the administration and 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:13.840 procedures piece, then 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:16.100 we'll get feedback on that and we'll fold it into the 00:09:16.100 --> 00:09:17.399 consolidated draft at the end 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.799 of the year. Then we'll move into the adoption draft, 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:22.970 which is going to go through an additional round of 00:09:22.970 --> 00:09:23.960 meetings, additional 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.049 round of opportunities for public input. So there's going 00:09:27.049 --> 00:09:28.279 to be a lot of bites at 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.620 the apple in terms of hearing from the public comments 00:09:31.620 --> 00:09:33.440 about what we're doing. 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.009 The adoption, I've got a whole slide on this because it's 00:09:37.009 --> 00:09:37.799 important. 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.759 The adoption process really will kick off in earnest at the 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:41.919 beginning of the new 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.279 year when we have a full adoption draft that's already been 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:47.799 reviewed by you all 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.139 through each of the individual modules. Hopefully at that 00:09:51.139 --> 00:09:51.679 point, there's no 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.240 surprises. You've seen everything once. We've gotten all 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:55.480 the big issues out. 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.159 We like to have detailed conversations as we go along so 00:09:58.159 --> 00:09:59.000 that the adoption 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:03.450 process is no surprises, slow and easy. There's going to be 00:10:03.450 --> 00:10:04.120 a good executive 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.210 summary that explains exactly kind of how this is different 00:10:07.210 --> 00:10:08.240 from the existing 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.700 development code and how, you know, what the changes are, 00:10:11.700 --> 00:10:12.720 big and small. 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:17.039 We've got a whole series of work sessions that are 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.639 programmed in to explain the 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.610 document to the public, to explain the document to groups 00:10:22.610 --> 00:10:23.840 within Denton about 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.389 how it's different from the current development code. We're 00:10:26.389 --> 00:10:26.960 going to, you 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.000 know, process all the feedback that we get at those 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.200 meetings, turn around a 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.120 final Denton development code, and then we'll be producing 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:33.720 a series of 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.679 PowerPoints and other presentation materials that will live 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:38.279 on, that will 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.919 help explain, you can put those on the city's website, they 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:42.039 'll help explain how 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:44.779 the document is different from what you've got now and the 00:10:44.779 --> 00:10:45.480 key points of the 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.840 document. So a lot of moving parts there, but we do this 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:49.960 all the time and it's 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.049 manageable and it is a relatively aggressive schedule, but 00:10:53.049 --> 00:10:54.159 you know, we can 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.409 tell there's a lot of energy, there's a lot of momentum to 00:10:56.409 --> 00:10:57.559 move quickly now, so 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.320 we're excited to get the train moving. That is a big 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.000 summary of the process and 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.779 what we wanted to do now is pivot and talk about the 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:08.360 substance and talk 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.289 about the key issues that we're going to be focusing on in 00:11:11.289 --> 00:11:12.639 the project. So with 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:16.889 that I'll turn it to Tarik. Thank you so much. Chairman, 00:11:16.889 --> 00:11:18.320 members of the commission, glad 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.190 to be here. We really love writing zoning code and so you 00:11:22.190 --> 00:11:23.720 can judge us for that or 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.870 thank us for that, but it's a special place to be for us 00:11:26.870 --> 00:11:28.320 and finally re-kicking 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.799 off the project. I want to put a big caveat out there with 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.039 my first slide. 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:38.279 This report is from 2013, so when we first came out and 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:39.080 talked to those 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.940 stakeholders, we met with staff, we met with appointed and 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:43.159 elected officials, and 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:47.049 we heard a lot about not only what's not working with the D 00:11:47.049 --> 00:11:48.559 DC, but also what is 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.889 working okay with the development code. So things have 00:11:52.889 --> 00:11:54.759 changed over time and we 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.970 have seen in our initial drive around town today that a lot 00:11:58.970 --> 00:12:00.039 has changed in 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.799 terms of development. So this is a perfect time to look 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:04.879 back at this report 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:08.629 and if you have not spent time with this assessment report, 00:12:08.629 --> 00:12:10.000 that's a great foray 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.980 into this project as well as your review of the scope of 00:12:12.980 --> 00:12:14.120 work just to say, you 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:20.240 know, what issues did they identify in 2013 and how, what 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:21.279 have we left out for 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.850 one? We can talk about that tonight as well. Yes. 00:12:24.850 --> 00:12:25.960 Commissioner Beck. Thank you 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:39.419 Chair. Is this on our website? We can access this on our 00:12:39.419 --> 00:12:39.899 website? This 2013 assessment report? It is not, but we can 00:12:39.899 --> 00:12:40.360 get you a copy. Okay, okay, thank you. 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:44.960 So I'm gonna highlight the three major themes that we 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:46.960 identified in that report 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.529 with a little more detail on each one of those themes and 00:12:50.529 --> 00:12:51.519 then talk about a 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:55.330 couple of the new issues that have come up over the past 00:12:55.330 --> 00:12:57.080 few weeks. So first of 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:01.490 all, create a more user-friendly code. The current DDC is 00:13:01.490 --> 00:13:03.000 cumbersome to say the 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.600 least. We heard that over and over, not just from citizens 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:07.899 and staff, but from 00:13:07.899 --> 00:13:11.049 the development community as well. Even people that use it 00:13:11.049 --> 00:13:11.919 on a daily basis 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:17.159 struggle with its lack of user friendliness. The review 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:18.039 procedures are a 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.139 challenge. So what does it take to currently get a project 00:13:21.139 --> 00:13:21.879 approved and 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:24.950 Denton is a major issue that needs to be addressed and 00:13:24.950 --> 00:13:26.399 staff has gone a long way 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.620 over the past year making those changes, but I want to 00:13:29.620 --> 00:13:31.120 again highlight some of 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:34.690 the things we included in the report. And then tailoring 00:13:34.690 --> 00:13:35.679 the standards 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.399 for infill and redevelopment. For a community like Denton, 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:40.279 you do have some 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.159 room for growth, but a lot of your growth is going to 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.480 happen interior. It's going to 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:49.200 happen within areas that are redeveloping and those lots 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.600 that have been vacant for 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.539 some time and are now starting to churn up activity and the 00:13:53.539 --> 00:13:54.799 market is responding. 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.509 So we want to capture that in the code rewrite. So let's go 00:13:58.509 --> 00:13:59.600 into each of those 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.169 three major themes with a little more detail. User-friendly 00:14:03.169 --> 00:14:04.320 code. First of all, 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.889 just reorganize the development regulations. Staff has 00:14:07.889 --> 00:14:08.600 identified already 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.870 a new table of contents that could restructure the current 00:14:12.870 --> 00:14:14.440 chapters. I think 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.649 right now you have, I want to say right around 30 sub 00:14:18.649 --> 00:14:19.919 chapters in your 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.500 development code. Maybe it's more, maybe it's slightly less 00:14:23.500 --> 00:14:24.440 and we want to get 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.309 that down substantially to around 15 or so and maybe even 00:14:28.309 --> 00:14:29.519 fewer than that so 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:33.090 that it's very clear when you look at the table of contents 00:14:33.090 --> 00:14:34.320 where you can find a 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.950 provision for say landscaping. If I'm looking for how tall 00:14:37.950 --> 00:14:38.759 I can build a 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.259 building, I'm going to know right away by looking at that 00:14:41.259 --> 00:14:42.720 organizational structure. 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:46.289 More illustrations and graphics. This is something that we 00:14:46.289 --> 00:14:47.600 have really ramped up 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.169 in the past three or four years at our firm by getting some 00:14:51.169 --> 00:14:52.519 folks on board that 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:57.409 really understand how we can communicate very complex ordin 00:14:57.409 --> 00:14:59.039 ances in an image and 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:03.720 through a table. So we like to use those as frequently as 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.879 possible. It really 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.899 helps explain some of the text. And then another major 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:11.320 issue with your code 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:15.070 currently and back in 2013 was that there's a lot of 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:16.639 internal inconsistencies. 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.500 You've got some ordinances pre 2002 before the code was 00:15:20.500 --> 00:15:22.440 last overhauled that 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.409 are still standing and whether or not those standards 00:15:25.409 --> 00:15:27.080 should be repealed or how 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.649 they interact with standards that have been updated since 00:15:30.649 --> 00:15:32.120 that time. There you 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:36.059 have these criteria manuals that have regulations and 00:15:36.059 --> 00:15:38.000 policy and construction 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.379 standards in some cases. We want to make sure the 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:42.559 development code is consistent 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:47.269 with those separate documents and even better we want to 00:15:47.269 --> 00:15:48.840 say it one time and 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.330 then cross-reference that other document so that in the 00:15:51.330 --> 00:15:52.679 future we're not creating 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:59.389 additional inconsistencies. The next major theme was stream 00:15:59.389 --> 00:16:00.259 lining the 00:16:00.259 --> 00:16:04.519 development review procedures. We heard a lot again from 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:05.080 Denton 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:07.759 stakeholders that it was a problem. So improving the 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.080 efficiency of the review 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:13.509 process. You all have implemented a new site plan review 00:16:13.509 --> 00:16:14.840 process. That's great 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.299 and I'm going to talk a little bit more about that on the 00:16:17.299 --> 00:16:18.919 next slide. Establishing 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.559 common review procedures. Right now you have a lot of 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:22.960 different procedures for 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:27.820 subdivision, for how you approve development permits, and 00:16:27.820 --> 00:16:29.679 if you if you 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.399 have a process for pre-application meetings or for submitt 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:34.519 al requirements or 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:38.519 for approval criteria. You don't have to list it each with 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:40.399 each procedure. You say 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.840 it once at the beginning of the procedures chapter, 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.000 identify what that 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.879 standard is, and then you just cross-reference it each time 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:48.799 you're going 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:53.269 to a specific application type. So we plan to implement 00:16:53.269 --> 00:16:54.919 that in the update. 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.490 Improving customer service. This was something we heard in 00:16:58.490 --> 00:16:59.840 2013. I think you 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.129 have made a lot of improvements already. I'd like to hear 00:17:03.129 --> 00:17:04.400 more about that. 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.740 As we're re-kicking off the project, what kind of changes 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:09.200 could be made? And this 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.799 was kind of a side issue that runs along the same track as 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:14.000 a zoning code or a 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.799 development code, but something that was highlighted in 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:18.519 that report. And then 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.410 considering organizational improvements to minimize the ine 00:17:22.410 --> 00:17:24.720 fficiencies. So who 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.559 shows up to these really important site plan review 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:29.400 meetings? Who needs to be in 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.279 the room to answer the questions once so that your 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.079 customers are not continually 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.250 poking and prodding trying to find the right answer? And a 00:17:37.250 --> 00:17:38.160 lot of that can be 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.519 solved just by a clearer, better organized code because 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:42.519 they can find the 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:49.400 information themselves. Here's a quick image thanks to Sh 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:50.359 andri and actually who 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:54.079 provided this to us. There's been a couple of changes 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.279 recently implemented. 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.849 So you've clearly identified what different types of 00:17:59.849 --> 00:18:01.720 development, what is 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.440 the general type of development process in Denton ranging 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:06.880 from pre-development 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.559 meetings, you know, what are going, let's highlight the 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:10.920 issues upfront before we 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.130 submit an application. There's zoning and rezoning 00:18:15.130 --> 00:18:16.440 applications. There's 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.279 planning issues when you're creating new lots. And then 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:21.019 site development. This is 00:18:21.019 --> 00:18:25.759 the new one. So how do we address specific site plan issues 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:26.640 and relate 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.240 those back to landscaping, parking, signage, all of those 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:31.640 unique development 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.599 standards to a specific site? And then building permanent 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:35.440 certificate of 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.859 occupancy. You're starting to outline a streamlined process 00:18:39.859 --> 00:18:41.000 for Denton. We want 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.849 to make sure we capture that in the first module of the 00:18:43.849 --> 00:18:45.839 code. And then for 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.880 each site, and this gets into what I was saying about 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:51.640 standardizing the common 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:56.039 review procedures, this bottom rung here, pre-development, 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.640 submitting your 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:01.269 project to the city, the director checking to make sure 00:19:01.269 --> 00:19:01.859 that that 00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:05.309 application is complete. You're starting to develop this 00:19:05.309 --> 00:19:06.359 and we can write more 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.970 narrative for each of these that make it very clear upfront 00:19:09.970 --> 00:19:11.119 to a developer or a 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.430 citizen. What does it take to get a project approved in 00:19:14.430 --> 00:19:15.920 Denton? So that will 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:22.980 take you a long way. The final theme was to really, really 00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:24.200 think hard about infill 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:28.279 and redevelopment. We still really need to do that. You've 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:29.359 got an infill special 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.740 purpose district that needs to be revised, maybe 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:36.799 substantially, and we're 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.339 still going to do that. We want to identify barriers, 00:19:39.339 --> 00:19:40.640 however, throughout the 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.569 code. There are landscaping standards and parking standards 00:19:44.569 --> 00:19:45.599 that can act as 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.980 barriers to redevelopment. If you're requiring so much of 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:50.920 your development 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:53.869 community on a site that has been really challenging for 00:19:53.869 --> 00:19:55.640 various reasons, there 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.359 might be room for flexibility in certain cases. We don't 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:00.160 know what those are 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.730 specifically yet, but it's something we're going to be 00:20:03.730 --> 00:20:04.839 exploring in greater 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.809 detail as we redraft the development standards. So we want 00:20:08.809 --> 00:20:09.519 quality 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:13.089 development in Denton. Denton wants to raise the bar for 00:20:13.089 --> 00:20:15.039 quality development, but 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.609 not at the expense of offering those redevelopment and inf 00:20:18.609 --> 00:20:19.440 ill opportunities, 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.670 because economic development is really important to you all 00:20:22.670 --> 00:20:24.000 . So we're going to 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:30.529 capture that. So that's what the assessment report in 2013 00:20:30.529 --> 00:20:31.720 said. I want to 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:34.799 move into just two quick issues that have come up since 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:36.319 that time. You've 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:40.700 adopted a new comprehensive plan, so good job. I know that 00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:42.119 's a quite a process in 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.960 and of itself. I think that was just getting underway last 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:45.400 time we were 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.970 involved. Ron is now involved with implementing that, and 00:20:48.970 --> 00:20:49.920 he's going to be 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.869 great because we worked with Ron initially on this project, 00:20:52.869 --> 00:20:53.640 and now he can 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.710 help us make those linkages to the zoning code update, to 00:20:57.710 --> 00:20:59.319 the new DDC, really 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:01.839 tell us how those policies were developed, how these 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:03.319 strategies could best 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.059 be applied through the new DDC. One of them, through the 00:21:07.059 --> 00:21:08.400 future land use map. 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.569 Denton has identified areas that are important through 00:21:11.569 --> 00:21:12.839 compact development 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:16.690 areas, through special centers like the Denton Square, like 00:21:16.690 --> 00:21:18.799 the University, and 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.559 through corridors like University in Carroll. You know, 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:23.599 these places were 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.630 identified through that planning process that said, yeah 00:21:26.630 --> 00:21:28.000 these are special areas 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:31.569 for one reason or another, so as we're drafting zoning 00:21:31.569 --> 00:21:32.640 regulations, we need to 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.779 pay attention to that, and this is one area where those 00:21:35.779 --> 00:21:36.319 development 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:39.910 standards might differ depending on where you are in the 00:21:39.910 --> 00:21:41.400 city, rather than 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.190 having a one-size-fits-all approach. There are several 00:21:44.190 --> 00:21:45.359 planned themes that we 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.930 will also consider through the drafting process. I've 00:21:48.930 --> 00:21:50.480 highlighted four of them 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.440 here, sustainability. It's a big deal across the country. 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:54.559 Things like urban 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:58.799 agriculture, things like efficient building, just getting 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:00.480 more people to 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.210 walk and ride their bikes and take transit. We can look at 00:22:04.210 --> 00:22:05.079 all of those 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:08.220 things through a zoning lens and make some great changes. 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:09.480 Community health. Do 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:12.160 your mixed-use areas really promote the walkability that 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.160 you're going for, and a 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.099 secondary impact of that is really improving the health of 00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:18.039 the community. 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.750 Community character. Do you have design standards in place 00:22:21.750 --> 00:22:23.400 that really protect 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.990 the character that Denton has enjoyed and that you want to 00:22:26.990 --> 00:22:28.160 see moving forward? 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:32.519 And then finally mobility. How are people moving around 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.480 internally on a site? How 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:36.910 are they moving around from site to site? How are they 00:22:36.910 --> 00:22:38.200 moving around across the 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.930 city? All of which can be addressed through the new zoning 00:22:42.930 --> 00:22:45.640 code. So Matt, I 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.109 think actually you were going to talk about the 00:22:48.109 --> 00:22:49.640 organization and then wrap 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:55.569 this up and open it up for questions. Thanks. Thanks, Tarek 00:22:55.569 --> 00:22:56.720 . Yeah, and this is 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.890 just a cleanup slide. We just wanted to give you a little 00:22:59.890 --> 00:23:00.519 bit more of an 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.359 illustration about how we can accomplish big things in 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.559 terms of making a more 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.890 user-friendly code. This is your current GDC organization. 00:23:08.890 --> 00:23:11.039 24 subchapters, I think 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.579 they're called. Very, you know, kind of specific in terms 00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:16.640 of the way the 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.359 different topics are identified. You've got things that 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:20.559 move from group homes to 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:22.890 manufactured homes to sexually oriented businesses to non- 00:23:22.890 --> 00:23:24.200 conforming uses. It's 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:26.599 hard to see the overall rhyme or reason there, and we just 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:27.440 wanted to make the 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.609 point that there are many cleaner opportunities to rest 00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:31.799 ructure the code. 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.599 One that has already been identified by staff is an example 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:35.640 from Texas. They like 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.859 the Pflugerville code, the Pflugerville Unified Development 00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:41.440 Code, UDC, and that 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.009 structure is illustrated here, and you can see it's tighter 00:23:45.009 --> 00:23:45.559 . You know, there's 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.359 only 13 versus 24, and they've got all the administration 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:49.880 and procedures 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.680 consolidated. They've got all the districts consolidated. 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:54.000 So we're going to 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.279 be moving down this road with the staff. We can potentially 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:57.359 consolidate this even 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.930 more, but the big point is that there are more logical ways 00:24:00.930 --> 00:24:01.880 to group-like 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:04.569 information, so it's an easier document for all members in 00:24:04.569 --> 00:24:05.559 the communities to 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.480 use. So we just wanted to finish off with just that brief 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.960 example. That's the bulk 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:14.670 of our presentation. A couple of notes on next steps. We 00:24:14.670 --> 00:24:16.240 are, as I said at the 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.970 beginning, just kicking off the project today, so we're 00:24:18.970 --> 00:24:20.559 excited to be back. We're 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:22.740 going to be working with Shandrina Manal to develop a 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.960 detailed project calendar 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.349 immediately that's going to lay out some specific 00:24:26.349 --> 00:24:27.599 milestones for all those 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.710 different drafting pieces that I mentioned at the beginning 00:24:30.710 --> 00:24:31.000 of the 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.730 project. We're going to then start the drafting process, 00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:34.759 and it's going to start 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.369 immediately working on all the three of those modules that 00:24:38.369 --> 00:24:39.119 I mentioned. 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.089 Administration, a lot of work has already been done on that 00:24:42.089 --> 00:24:42.839 piece, and so 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:44.970 that's why it said staff was taking the lead on that. We're 00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:45.720 going to be kind of 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.289 advising them, but staff's going to take the lead on 00:24:49.289 --> 00:24:50.279 finishing that piece 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.000 off because so much work has already been done internally. 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:53.839 Tarek and I are 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.829 really going to focus on the next two, districts and uses 00:24:55.829 --> 00:24:56.519 and development 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.240 standards. We're going to be implementing that public 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:00.480 outreach strategy. So we're 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.049 already going to be talking with folks in the city 00:25:04.049 --> 00:25:04.680 administration about 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:09.509 groups, about stakeholders that we should be reaching out 00:25:09.509 --> 00:25:10.359 to to help kind of 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.730 spread the word about this project. And then just to remind 00:25:13.730 --> 00:25:14.539 you about the 00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:17.720 schedule, we're anticipating a full consolidated draft code 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:18.359 by the end of 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:20.859 this year, and then adoption and fine-tuning would happen 00:25:20.859 --> 00:25:21.440 in the spring 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:25.839 of the following year. So that's a whirlwind overview of 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:26.759 this project, and 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.900 we now want to hear from you all about discussions and 00:25:29.900 --> 00:25:32.799 questions. And just keep 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:36.369 in mind, you know, as you're thinking about questions, this 00:25:36.369 --> 00:25:37.160 originally did 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.049 start several years ago as a very targeted effort, and that 00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:40.920 's why we focused 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.880 on targeted issues today. We focused on administration, we 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.319 focused on infill, we 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:53.880 focused on the user-friendly piece, sorry, just because 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:54.619 that's what 00:25:54.619 --> 00:25:57.589 that was the targeted scope that we had initially. But now 00:25:57.589 --> 00:25:58.240 the cities come 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.279 back and said the sky's the limit, you know, we'd like to 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:01.400 update 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.230 the whole thing soup to nuts. We have a new comprehensive 00:26:04.230 --> 00:26:05.319 plan in place. We need 00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.299 to go back and rethink more broadly. So we'd like to hear 00:26:08.299 --> 00:26:09.160 from you all just 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.440 what your priorities are, maybe things that just haven't 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.359 been talked about on 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.819 these slides at all. So this is really an opportunity just 00:26:15.819 --> 00:26:16.920 to to tell us what 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.099 you'd like to see happen in this project, what your 00:26:19.099 --> 00:26:20.640 substantive goals are for 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:24.210 improving the development code. Questions also just about 00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:25.559 the scope and just kind 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.930 of how we work through our process. So we'd like to hear 00:26:27.930 --> 00:26:28.920 from you all about all 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:33.750 of those types of things. And I think that's it. So thanks 00:26:33.750 --> 00:26:35.599 for your attention. 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:39.599 Any questions for the presenters? Commissioner Sullivan. 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.039 Yes, I'm curious. I'm 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.920 one of the new people on the Commission here on the board. 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.720 What caused the non 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:51.720 action? You said you started in 2013, this is 2017. What's 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.240 the what happened in 00:26:53.240 --> 00:27:02.240 between? I'm just curious. So in the interim we had several 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.440 staff high-level 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.960 staff turnover and then some priorities changed. So 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:09.880 basically this had to be a 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.450 back burner issue until we could put out the other things 00:27:13.450 --> 00:27:14.599 that were going on at 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:24.440 the time. Commissioner Beck. Thanks Chair. I'm excited 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.480 about this. For one thing, the 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.930 current DDC is just a scary monster to me. So your concept 00:27:30.930 --> 00:27:33.000 of user-friendly, I 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.210 love the idea of more graphs, illustrations, and tables. I 00:27:37.210 --> 00:27:37.960 'm a visual 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:45.250 person. The language, are we talking about layman terms 00:27:45.250 --> 00:27:46.279 that the common 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.349 average citizen when they go inside and look at this, they 00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:50.240 're not, you know, big 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:54.420 question mark coming over their head. It's kind of 00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:54.799 understand, it's simple 00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:57.559 enough to understand without it being technical, too 00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.240 technical. Very much 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.650 Commissioner. Yeah, I think that's a good point. We try to 00:28:01.650 --> 00:28:03.559 look for plannerese, you 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.279 know, jargon, you know, legalese, and look for ways to say 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:07.480 things in plain English. I 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.049 think that's an important part of making a code accessible. 00:28:11.049 --> 00:28:13.079 Is it conceivable, too, 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:17.720 again for my benefit, that we're shrinking this into 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:18.319 something that's 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.960 more like a mini me of what we're seeing now or is it gonna 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.200 be, is all 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.089 the same information gonna be there just in more user- 00:28:26.089 --> 00:28:27.319 friendly terms or are we 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:31.279 actually, do you see it where we're getting rid of a lot of 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.599 waste? I think it's both. I 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.750 think we can get rid of a lot of waste and produce a 00:28:35.750 --> 00:28:36.960 shorter document but it's 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.329 still gonna have all the information that you need in a 00:28:39.329 --> 00:28:40.559 shorter way. You know, a 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.960 good example is just summarizing a lot of long narrative 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.599 use lists with tables. 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.779 You know, we've already drafted some internal tables of a 00:28:49.779 --> 00:28:51.000 new use table for 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.359 Denton that consolidates dozens of pages on about four or 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.279 five. So through tools 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.309 like that, you can just reduce a lot of bulk. Now, I will 00:28:59.309 --> 00:29:00.720 also say though that 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.289 sometimes to make a code more user-friendly, you have to 00:29:04.289 --> 00:29:04.759 make it more 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.329 specific and that means defining key terms. One of the 00:29:08.329 --> 00:29:09.480 problems with a lot of 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.819 old-school codes is that they just don't define a lot of 00:29:12.819 --> 00:29:14.119 key terms and so to make 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.240 it a better document, a more enforceable document, you need 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:17.200 to add a little text. 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.650 You know, you need to add some of those definitions. So I 00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:20.440 would say there's 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.160 there's a little bit of an, some opposing directions there. 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:24.839 We can 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.740 shrink a lot of stuff but there might be a few things that 00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:27.680 we need to add back in 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.700 to make it more, more manageable. I would say on average, 00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:33.240 you know, most of our 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.960 codes shrink by at least a third from just the physical 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.640 bulk where we start to 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.210 where we finish up. Oftentimes it goes much more. That's a 00:29:42.210 --> 00:29:42.839 very crude way 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:47.839 to weigh the results of a project but I can tell you our 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.559 preference is less is 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:53.529 more, shorter, sweeter illustrations. We don't like volumin 00:29:53.529 --> 00:29:54.759 ous text. We like 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.720 short and sweet. 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.759 And just one more thing. This will be accessible to anybody 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:02.559 . It'll be on our website eventually. 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.130 The ultimate code? Yes. Yes, this will be an ordinance 00:30:06.130 --> 00:30:07.079 officially adopted by the 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.799 City Council just along with all your other city ordinances 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:10.680 that you have. I 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.180 don't know who's responsible for how this thing is designed 00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:14.039 and devised but 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.609 would it conceivably have you? We're talking about 00:30:17.609 --> 00:30:18.920 definitions and stuff like 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.890 that where we're reading it. Say there is a term there that 00:30:21.890 --> 00:30:23.279 needs defining or 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.589 maybe it would be highlighted as a link where you could 00:30:25.589 --> 00:30:28.319 just click on that and a 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.890 hyperlink. Yeah, is that something you foresee? Definitely 00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:33.240 feasible. Yeah, I mean 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.480 the intent of this project right now is to put the final 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:38.640 code on the city's 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.519 website in a fully searchable way. I can also tell you that 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:43.559 the technology for 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.930 computerizing codes is evolving really fast and there could 00:30:46.930 --> 00:30:48.000 be some really good 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.059 cost-effective options that are available, you know, in 12 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:51.720 months that are 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.599 not available now. So we keep on track of that stuff. We'll 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:56.200 keep talking 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.769 with Shandrina Manal about options for the final 00:30:59.769 --> 00:31:01.119 presentation but I think the 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:04.759 definite goal is to make the code on the web as user- 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:06.319 friendly as possible. 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.279 Good, thank you. 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.839 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. I too am very excited 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:15.559 about this because 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.569 shrinking the information, reorganizing it in more user- 00:31:18.569 --> 00:31:20.519 friendly ways is going to 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.710 be better for all. My question is I'm reading through the 00:31:23.710 --> 00:31:24.440 scope of work and 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:29.319 all is who makes up the P&Z subcommittee? That's a great 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.359 segue. We needed to cover 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:36.119 that but that is a topic to be covered tonight and I think 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:36.279 it's 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.490 for you all to decide as a group and for the city to decide 00:31:39.490 --> 00:31:40.079 but the 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.720 thinking is that a subgroup of the P&Z could help provide 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:46.759 more immediate 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.490 feedback and would be available to devote the time to read 00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:51.240 a lot of these 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.720 drafts in detail and I think that's a coming conversation 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.759 but we 00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.250 often find that level of feedback from a small group to be 00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:00.400 effective. Don't want 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.670 it to get too big just because it can slow down the 00:32:02.670 --> 00:32:04.880 momentum. To follow up on 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.559 that Commissioner, one of the notes that we had here on our 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:08.440 agenda was that we 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.710 would need a comment and so I'm going to go ahead and do 00:32:10.710 --> 00:32:12.319 that at this time to 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.289 request at our next P&Z meetings we have to do public 00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:17.460 notice that we will 00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:21.029 then be taking the nominations and appointing the 00:32:21.029 --> 00:32:22.160 commissioners to that 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.369 subcommittee so we'll make that formal now that we're going 00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:26.519 to request that and 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.150 that will come before us in a formal manner at our next 00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:30.240 planning and zoning 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:35.259 commissioning so thank you for helping with that. Yep. 00:32:35.259 --> 00:32:38.079 Commissioner Hesbeth. So I 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.920 was holding out and making notes here so here's what I have 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.960 . So first 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:48.170 of first and foremost I think it's important to take the 00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:49.640 areas of Denton in 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.640 consideration right so if you have an area where you have 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:54.880 two million dollar 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.640 homes you have an area where you have eighty thousand 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.079 dollar homes I think the 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.319 code needs to be using your word flexible in that regard I 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:06.279 don't know what 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.930 that process is but I don't want to ignore the fact that if 00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:11.980 I'm buying a 00:33:11.980 --> 00:33:16.720 house and it's gonna it can max sell for $100,000 I can't 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.200 put a stipulation on it 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.829 as though it's a two million dollar neighborhood I mean 00:33:20.829 --> 00:33:21.519 hopefully we'll get 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.109 there but we need there needs to be some understanding of 00:33:25.109 --> 00:33:25.720 hey this 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.089 neighborhood is not that you know because I think to unil 00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:30.079 aterally apply 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:36.609 something ignores the fact that that there's just going to 00:33:36.609 --> 00:33:37.359 be different I'm 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.430 not saying you short the codes fire codes etc etc but there 00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:45.079 's got to be some 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:52.630 in my mind way to meet and grow that neighborhood or that 00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:53.640 building center 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:59.960 whatever that is secondly I'd love to see something if it's 00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:00.680 an appendix of 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:07.529 some sort that says here's the old acting codes here's the 00:34:07.529 --> 00:34:10.119 new codes if you 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.719 if you broach this door here's what you're subjecting 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.280 yourself to you know 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.670 that that type thing so they can make an educated decision 00:34:17.670 --> 00:34:18.960 do I want to live 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.869 under this code or do I want to upgrade this room and then 00:34:22.869 --> 00:34:24.239 that triggers XYZ 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.809 over here I mean so I think a visual or some sort of append 00:34:27.809 --> 00:34:29.320 ix that says you know 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:33.289 using the old mall map it's like you are here if you go 00:34:33.289 --> 00:34:35.039 down this hallway here's 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.670 all the stuff that jumps out at you door number two yes 00:34:37.670 --> 00:34:39.599 yeah and so in addition 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:46.059 so my third thing is I I do hear from builders about the 00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:48.079 inspectors and and 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.309 that customer piece and you I know you you highlighted that 00:34:51.309 --> 00:34:52.480 I'd like to see 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:57.309 something that triggers from a builder's perspective or rem 00:34:57.309 --> 00:34:58.559 odeling if I'm there 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:05.079 in a code and an inspector is short or or unruly or I know 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:05.760 that would never 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.510 happen but if if it's perceived that way then I'd like to 00:35:09.510 --> 00:35:10.679 trigger some sort of 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.510 email mechanism something that that raises a red flag that 00:35:15.510 --> 00:35:16.480 says inspector 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:25.079 number 38 and I had had an issue on this date fourth I 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.639 would I would really 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.889 stress the need to document your meetings going forward 00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:33.119 because here's 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:36.869 here's what I've noticed especially in some tree-ordinate 00:35:36.869 --> 00:35:39.599 stuff things start to 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:44.000 vacillate right and so if we don't have a record of 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.800 especially changes right so 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:52.440 it's like hey this builder this homeowner this renter said 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.260 this in our 00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:57.469 open public meeting on Tuesday and we met with them a month 00:35:57.469 --> 00:35:58.519 later and they 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.860 pivoted I mean because it's important for me to make a 00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:02.679 decision knowing if 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:07.679 someone is perpetually shifting then that's good to know 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:08.760 because you can you 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.719 can weigh that accordingly but if I don't have that record 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:12.920 to say there's a 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.929 pivot here pivot here because at some point either a person 00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:17.960 is amenable to 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.849 change or they're not and so if you have that documented 00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:22.239 that here's eight 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.050 meetings and here's eight different opinions then that that 00:36:25.050 --> 00:36:26.519 says something to 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.260 me personally but if we don't have that record then there's 00:36:30.260 --> 00:36:32.280 no it's well we don't 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.119 know that those changes have taken place and and so I just 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.559 weigh that different 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:45.519 a couple more sorry it's gonna be important for me that it 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.239 's not 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.809 understanding other cities factor in and you're looking at 00:36:50.809 --> 00:36:51.920 different experiences 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:56.760 but I just personally take issue with well Louisville is 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:57.840 close to you and they 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.780 do this right I mean I know that can factor into the 00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:02.119 decision but as that I 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.869 just don't weigh I don't put a lot of weight on that I 00:37:04.869 --> 00:37:06.000 think it needs to be 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.570 more thought out as to look at is this is good for Denton 00:37:09.570 --> 00:37:11.760 because versus the 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.750 other cities around you are doing this and I think we can 00:37:13.750 --> 00:37:14.599 get away with it you 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.170 know that that to me is not very appealing as far as a 00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:19.199 justification for 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:24.239 where we're going and then lastly I'm going to appeal to 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.400 your your legal side 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.639 in a lot of legal briefs you're gonna have numbers you're 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:29.760 gonna have bullet 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.059 points versus you know and so and so I just I like that 00:37:34.059 --> 00:37:35.519 aspect of a instead of 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.090 a Senate structure if you will if there's a bullet that 00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:40.079 says this that and 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.650 the other does commas there there's no you know like any 00:37:43.650 --> 00:37:45.119 like any brief that 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.690 you're writing that has the numbered paragraph it has the 00:37:48.690 --> 00:37:49.800 bold facts it has 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.980 the bold here's where everyone lives here's the parties in 00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:53.719 the suit I mean 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.599 that type thing where if I'm just looking even though it's 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:57.280 a voluminous 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.610 document I know if I look under this word says bold parties 00:38:00.610 --> 00:38:01.400 it's gonna say 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.610 Bob lives here and this is why it's right to file the case 00:38:04.610 --> 00:38:05.519 here that type 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.920 thing and then really also looking at the Senate structure 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.000 I would just make a 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:15.210 suggestion that we kind of get away from heaven forbid 00:38:15.210 --> 00:38:17.360 complete sentences and and 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.059 just go with the bullet point that says this you know just 00:38:20.059 --> 00:38:20.800 get to it you know 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:25.699 because you can take out a lot of is the you know those 00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:28.119 type things I think just 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.340 make it more pointed as far as especially when you're 00:38:30.340 --> 00:38:31.079 talking about a 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.650 document of this size so that the layperson can can get 00:38:34.650 --> 00:38:35.559 through it easier 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:41.369 but that that's what I have thank you thank you great 00:38:41.369 --> 00:38:43.599 lesson else mr. Taylor 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.280 I'll chime in one final thing I noticed in in your 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:47.960 presentation you talked a lot 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.530 about infill and the possibility of being some different 00:38:51.530 --> 00:38:52.559 standards I really 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:56.130 like that suggestion I know that's been a discussion item 00:38:56.130 --> 00:38:57.119 many times before our 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.690 Commission over the years about infill projects and I know 00:39:00.690 --> 00:39:01.719 there's been some 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.969 concessions recently about different fee schedule levels I 00:39:06.969 --> 00:39:09.599 think while the intent 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.639 has been good I think the amount is fairly nominal to 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:14.280 encourage those 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.639 projects and so I just would like to throw out as you begin 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:18.280 to look at 00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:23.010 possibly doing some different criteria for infill that if 00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:24.440 that is going to be 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.650 truly a focus I know it's a focus for the 2030 Denton plan 00:39:28.650 --> 00:39:29.719 that you may have 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:33.440 to look at even some larger discounts on fees some 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.239 different abilities for a 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.530 percentage of variance whatever it may be to really open 00:39:38.530 --> 00:39:39.679 some of those as you 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.639 use the correct term challenging sites that have been 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.840 overlooked for 20 30 years 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:48.730 to really be able to finally get enough incentive for a 00:39:48.730 --> 00:39:50.199 developer builder 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.780 property owner to buy that property and do something with 00:39:53.780 --> 00:39:55.159 it versus it continues 00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.539 to sit vacant because it's undevelopable under the current 00:39:58.539 --> 00:40:00.119 code or because it has 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.849 whatever tell me trees whatever the problem is with it that 00:40:04.849 --> 00:40:05.280 it can 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.739 ultimately be developed so I like that and I look forward 00:40:08.739 --> 00:40:10.280 to seeing some of the 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.179 specifics on that so those would be my comments so with 00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:15.639 that unless anyone else 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.210 has some other comments or questions thank you for your 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:21.000 presentation and we 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.860 look forward to getting a subcommittee put together and get 00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:23.360 started with you 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.719 sounds good thank you thank you all thank you all do we 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:28.440 need to give them a 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:38.510 few minutes maybe other people to clear the room I know we 00:40:38.510 --> 00:40:39.360 're gonna we're gonna 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.639 transition for clarification of agenda items I don't know 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:45.239 if there's anybody 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.960 that is was just here for this item if you all want to go 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.320 ahead and head out 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.000 great we're gonna go ahead and keep going on our meeting 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.119 and so I'm going to 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.880 turn over to Shondria for clarification of the rest of our 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.840 agenda items thank 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.539 you chair I wanted to see if we had any questions on the 00:41:07.539 --> 00:41:09.159 minutes from November 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:15.500 30th and December 14th if there needed to be any discussion 00:41:15.500 --> 00:41:19.760 on that okay so on 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:24.400 the consent agenda we have five five items for consent one 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:25.920 prelim preliminary 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:31.090 plait and then four final plants do we have any questions 00:41:31.090 --> 00:41:31.880 on those 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:37.050 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I had one question and 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:38.480 it has to do with 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:58.599 Teasley trails okay I'll invite Julie why it up all right I 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:02.840 don't know if it's 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:11.599 been fixed on yours lot 18 in block B had a hash mark on it 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:12.440 but it wasn't 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:21.480 listed in the notes sorry lot 18 block yeah down here on 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.280 the yeah right right 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:27.289 here uh-huh but when you go to the line notes on line 10 it 00:42:27.289 --> 00:42:30.760 is not on line 10 it 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.329 goes 7 and then 19 so I don't know if the hash mark shouldn 00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:35.400 't be there or should 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:40.670 18 should be included in line 10 the applicant should be 00:42:40.670 --> 00:42:43.079 here later or and and 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:53.150 we can we can discuss it with them Earl's getting up so a 00:42:53.150 --> 00:42:57.079 lot 18 is here and 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:06.159 it's got the the but it's not listed in the notes it talks 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:07.000 about the no building 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.719 permits it may mean that we just need to have them correct 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:11.880 that clerical error on 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:18.639 the note prior to it being signed and filed it looks you're 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:19.719 correct it looks 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:26.670 I was missed it is it is required based on that note to 00:43:26.670 --> 00:43:31.199 have a until a letter of 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.349 map revision has been approved I feel so that should be 00:43:33.349 --> 00:43:34.239 included with that 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.380 requirement as well okay so we'll make sure that's that's 00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:38.559 included as part of 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:43.840 the plan execution package okay thank you 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:54.000 any more questions for Julie thank you thank you okay if 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:54.960 there are no more 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.530 questions on the consent agenda we'll go to the individual 00:43:58.530 --> 00:44:00.119 consideration items we 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.969 have three items for individual consideration the last item 00:44:03.969 --> 00:44:04.719 has been 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.440 pulled from the agenda just as a note and I will invite 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.119 Julie White back up to 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:19.670 present the GDP for the Jim Crystal Road site I'm 00:44:19.670 --> 00:44:24.639 presenting this this is actually 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:29.239 Mike Bell's case he's home with his new addition to his 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.800 family so so I may have 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.070 to refer to my notes if I don't know the answer your 00:44:34.070 --> 00:44:37.480 question right away so the 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:41.889 subject property is located or situated on the west side of 00:44:41.889 --> 00:44:43.719 town near the Denton 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:48.239 Enterprise Airport south of Jim Crystal Road and near Mosh 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.239 Branch and the 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.639 request before used to consider a general development plan 00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:55.519 for this entire 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:01.400 tract which is 340 acres this is the location of the future 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:02.719 of the Denton 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:06.559 Energy Center which will include a natural gas operated 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:07.679 power plant the 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.519 purchase of this property was approved by City Council in 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:11.400 June of last year 00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.880 June 21st and the subject property is primarily zoned as IC 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.079 G and the desired 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.039 use which is basic utilities is permitted in the zoning 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:21.199 district and 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:25.539 here's the zoning plan the the exhibits I'm going to go 00:45:25.539 --> 00:45:26.880 over in your backup but 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.849 we'll just go over briefly so we can clarify any questions 00:45:29.849 --> 00:45:31.119 you have all 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.820 that's in the purple is the ICG the proposed energy center 00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:36.519 is in this 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:42.920 location right here so this is a fairly large site it's 340 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:44.079 acres and because 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.650 it's so large it does require an additional coordination of 00:45:47.650 --> 00:45:48.400 things like 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.619 utilities and infrastructure and so that's why they're 00:45:50.619 --> 00:45:51.519 moving forward with 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:56.349 this GDP this GDP also breaks out the project into three 00:45:56.349 --> 00:45:57.880 phases and let's look 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.690 at those so phase one in the light blue that as I said 00:46:01.690 --> 00:46:02.480 before this is the 00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.460 proposed location of the Denton Energy Center and that's 00:46:06.460 --> 00:46:08.360 going to move forward 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.679 first phase three which is here oh I'm sorry do phase two 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.400 first phase two it is 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.309 anticipated and in fact it's going to be moved forward to 00:46:20.309 --> 00:46:21.280 be conveyed to the 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.849 Denton Enterprise Airport no development is permitted in 00:46:24.849 --> 00:46:26.159 this location due to 00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:30.219 the FAA requirements so that's going to be a part of the 00:46:30.219 --> 00:46:31.880 the airport and then 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:36.409 phase three there aren't any proposed uses at this time but 00:46:36.409 --> 00:46:36.960 it could be 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.639 developed in the future with any uses that are permitted in 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:40.320 the governing 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:46.719 zoning yes sir commissioner back thank you chair okay just 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:47.719 for my own 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:53.449 edification why do we even have a phase two area how did 00:46:53.449 --> 00:46:56.000 this become part of the 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:02.489 area of land that these plants are going to be built on and 00:47:02.489 --> 00:47:03.960 I realize this may 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.639 get into something that's not planning and zoning but we 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:07.760 seem to purchase land 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:11.840 there that John fortune is coming up here he looks like he 00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.119 has an answer okay 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:18.070 the interest of the airport we're building a new runway 00:47:18.070 --> 00:47:19.239 just to the west 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.949 of the existing runway we've received a grant from the 00:47:22.949 --> 00:47:24.519 state to do that and so 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.909 we were also in the same time DME was looking at property 00:47:28.909 --> 00:47:30.079 we were looking at 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.389 property and so our interest kind of converged and that's 00:47:33.389 --> 00:47:34.440 how it evolved this 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:38.010 way so that's that's the purpose for this being done as a 00:47:38.010 --> 00:47:39.760 separate phase okay 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.780 and we don't have any plans as far as we know for phase 00:47:43.780 --> 00:47:46.079 three either that that 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.880 that I don't know what phase three is not Julie or Gary 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:51.400 speak to that but in 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.679 terms of the airport that's why phase two was broken okay 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.559 I didn't want to jump in Julie just for a second so the GDP 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.199 we don't have any 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:07.219 land use plans at the moment for phase three the GDP is the 00:48:07.219 --> 00:48:09.159 zoning for the lot 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.150 is already in place the land uses that are allowable for 00:48:13.150 --> 00:48:14.760 the site are already 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.929 specified in the zoning districts the GDP is intended to 00:48:19.929 --> 00:48:21.599 take it for us to take a 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:25.210 conceptual look at how the infrastructure and the utilities 00:48:25.210 --> 00:48:25.480 the 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.420 roadways can serve the site now obviously after the phases 00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:31.280 are developed 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:34.530 there may be some tweaks internally but the GDP is intended 00:48:34.530 --> 00:48:35.559 to make sure that 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.039 our needs as for public infrastructure basically are met 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:41.079 and that's what the 00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.420 this application is for okay so even though we're just 00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:45.840 dealing with phase one 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.230 here the GDP is to help us down the road in the event that 00:48:50.230 --> 00:48:51.360 things transpire with 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:59.719 the other two phases correct okay thank you so let's look 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:00.320 at some of the 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.889 proposed improvements so the proposed transportation 00:49:03.889 --> 00:49:04.679 improvements include a 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.250 Western extension of loop 288 right of way extent 00:49:08.250 --> 00:49:09.679 dedication on Jim Crystal 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.250 Road right of way dedication for Tom Cole and a new 00:49:12.250 --> 00:49:13.480 collector required from 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:17.719 Jim Crystal to Tom Cole Road so as you can see in the red 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:19.159 areas Jim Crystal up 00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.130 here that right of way will be dedicated upon platting of 00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:25.760 that phase this is this 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:32.019 is the anticipated location of the loop 288 extension so 00:49:32.019 --> 00:49:33.599 that will move forward 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:39.079 as as with text dot and then here would be the proposed 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:40.559 location for that future 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.289 collector between Tom Cole here in the south and Jim 00:49:45.289 --> 00:49:47.639 Crystal commissioner back 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.400 thank you chair okay and again if I read somewhere in here 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.079 this location for the 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.840 future loop is different than what our mobility plan 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.280 originally showed which I 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:01.230 think was on the far west end so can you go into that a 00:50:01.230 --> 00:50:03.119 little bit sure I'll make 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.360 a stab at it and Earl can correct me if he if he needs to 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.119 so the mobility plan 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.690 is schematic it is really intended to show the the 00:50:11.690 --> 00:50:12.679 connections between those 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.250 roads and an approximation of where they'll go as 00:50:16.250 --> 00:50:18.400 development moves forward 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:22.639 the the location for those roads becomes a little more 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.719 certain and so a mobility 00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.400 plan it it shows that this is going to be an about this 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:29.960 location but but now or 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.349 when they move forward with the dedication of that then 00:50:32.349 --> 00:50:33.079 they'll or then 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:40.380 they'll see girls coming up that's somewhat correct when 00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:40.639 the mobility plan 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.900 was put together it was it is indeed schematic however when 00:50:44.900 --> 00:50:46.880 text dot revisited 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.159 the alignment they took an account more accurate 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:50.800 information like topography 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.170 floodplain existing structures substations gas wells etc so 00:50:55.170 --> 00:50:58.119 that kind of 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.940 affected the alignment somewhat and in order to miss those 00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:03.639 items and so it's 00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.039 still within the vicinity of their property but it's just 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:06.760 shifted a little 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:12.420 bit further east and what their mobility plan showed all 00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:15.519 right additional 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.739 infrastructure will be water and sewer extensions and they 00:51:17.739 --> 00:51:18.559 'll be required with 00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:24.019 the final platting of phase one so the line in dark blue is 00:51:24.019 --> 00:51:25.360 the the water 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.500 extensions and then though the orange line is the sewer 00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:29.599 extension so those 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.170 will all be a part a function of this phase one and that 00:51:33.170 --> 00:51:34.599 that preliminary 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:40.239 platas is on your agenda denied as well there also is a 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:41.679 tree treeed floodway 00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:45.250 that crosses the property diagonally from the northwest to 00:51:45.250 --> 00:51:45.400 the south way with 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.969 southeast there is an environmentally sensitive area 00:51:48.969 --> 00:51:50.320 embedded within this 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:56.420 within this floodway and we'll look at that so here here is 00:51:56.420 --> 00:51:58.719 that that area and 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.440 and they you know we have requirements within sub chapter 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:03.360 17 of the Denton 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.679 Development Code and the proposed regarding environmentally 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:08.039 sensitive 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.989 areas and floodways and the proposed energy center is is 00:52:10.989 --> 00:52:12.719 not within that that 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:22.150 area and additionally the development will be will be 00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:23.880 required to comply with 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.090 all city standards and that includes platting site plans 00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:29.519 tree preservation 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:33.090 and drainage impacts to adjacent properties and the 00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:34.360 drainage plan that 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:38.420 was in your backup reflects that and then here is the tree 00:52:38.420 --> 00:52:40.000 inventory that's 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:43.570 currently on the site once again you can see that the 00:52:43.570 --> 00:52:44.639 proposed proposed 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.699 improvements are not within the treeed area so staff does 00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:50.000 recommend approval of 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.000 their quest because it's in consistent with the 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.400 infrastructure requirements and 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.429 the goals and objectives of the dent plan 2030 and I'll 00:52:56.429 --> 00:52:57.159 stand for any 00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.519 questions 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:07.510 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair I do have one other 00:53:07.510 --> 00:53:09.920 concern and I could be 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:18.639 reading this wrong. North Hickory Creek runs if I'm not 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.199 wrong runs to the far 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:28.679 west of this this area yes yes okay the topography seems to 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:29.480 indicate where the 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.199 plants are at that the topography is going to run away from 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:33.119 the plants toward 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:39.150 the creek is that correct? Are we concerned that anything 00:53:39.150 --> 00:53:40.000 that comes from 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.570 those plants be whatever it may especially if it's of a 00:53:43.570 --> 00:53:44.320 negative nature 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:48.039 would get into the North Hickory Creek and work its way out 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:49.239 into Lake Louisville 00:53:49.239 --> 00:54:02.269 is has that been looked at is that a concern? I'm Gary Vick 00:54:02.269 --> 00:54:03.559 ery with T. Nolan 00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.769 Perkins I'm the applicant on this project with DME yeah we 00:54:06.769 --> 00:54:07.519 have looked at 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.780 that this site is really quite flat although as you get 00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:11.960 them by both streams 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.230 there's of course a lot of topography but the remainder of 00:54:14.230 --> 00:54:14.760 the site is 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.340 extremely flat there will be down here in the southwest 00:54:18.340 --> 00:54:19.840 corner of the site a 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.760 sediment pond that will trap permanently stormwater of 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.159 course but all of the flow 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.730 will go in one direction or another basically what we 00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:30.599 looked at is what 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:33.150 happens if there's sediment that leaves the site especially 00:54:33.150 --> 00:54:34.119 during construction 00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.090 but but even after that as well. So regardless of the top 00:54:37.090 --> 00:54:37.960 ography y'all have 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:44.210 made steps to direct flow towards that okay okay great 00:54:44.210 --> 00:54:46.920 thanks. Commissioner 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:52.440 Taylor. Thank You Chair. I had a couple of questions about 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.119 the the phasing and 00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.289 the actually the preliminary plot I'm going to go ahead and 00:54:57.289 --> 00:54:57.880 touch on that I 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:02.250 know that's the next item. This this plan appears to really 00:55:02.250 --> 00:55:03.599 use it only about 20 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:08.300 acres of the 170 in phase one and but it's all being 00:55:08.300 --> 00:55:12.039 plotted as one lot and it 00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:17.289 only seems to show utilities that supply to that that 20 00:55:17.289 --> 00:55:19.360 acre area so and it even 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.929 has comments about traffic generation from one of those 00:55:22.929 --> 00:55:24.079 locations down there 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.769 not really taking into account the other 150 acres that 00:55:26.769 --> 00:55:27.880 will probably eventually 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:33.780 have something on them. So what steps would be necessary 00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:36.679 for the next thing to 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.030 get built out there whatever it may be? On phase one? Well 00:55:40.030 --> 00:55:40.960 yes so on phase one 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.230 after the substation and the proposed trying to read that 00:55:45.230 --> 00:55:46.360 from here energy 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.429 center are are built and they're even labeled as parcels 00:55:49.429 --> 00:55:50.360 but they're not 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.280 actually parcels because they're all just part of lot one. 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.019 We don't have any 00:55:55.019 --> 00:55:58.590 proposed uses at the time any any any proposed use that 00:55:58.590 --> 00:55:59.639 would come on the site 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:03.210 would have to tap into existing water lines in order to be 00:56:03.210 --> 00:56:04.559 served is that is 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:09.159 that your question? That's correct. In addition they would 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:10.019 also go through the 00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:14.360 site plan process so we'll still get another crack at it 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:15.639 final plan and then 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.730 site plan review to make sure that the city requirements 00:56:18.730 --> 00:56:19.800 are being met for 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.719 whatever goes out there. So this isn't the last. Well you 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:25.119 're talking about on 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:31.440 those two. Yes. I mean in general the other 150 acres like 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.679 this is I was kind 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.489 of expecting this to be phase one would have three lots lot 00:56:36.489 --> 00:56:37.480 one lot two lot three 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.699 and three would be the remainder unused or something like 00:56:39.699 --> 00:56:41.199 that but that's this 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:46.130 is all just one lot right so. I'd like to invite the 00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:47.840 applicant back up to give you 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:51.760 an idea of how they intend to use the site because he can 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:53.840 answer that question. 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.010 Let me make sure I understand the question you're asking 00:56:57.010 --> 00:56:59.119 about say other 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.780 development on phase one the blue? Yeah this since you've 00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:05.559 since that is all one 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.360 lot right we're plotting it as a single lot doesn't it 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:10.800 seems like that has some 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.780 ramifications in the future on the remainder of the area 00:57:14.780 --> 00:57:16.099 the other 150 00:57:16.099 --> 00:57:21.360 acres. Sure as I understand it if if DME City of Denton I 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:21.920 guess I should really 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.519 say wanted to build something else out there on this on 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.559 that blue site there we 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.429 would have to come in as if it were a brand new project and 00:57:30.429 --> 00:57:31.280 start we would 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.969 start with a pre-development meeting we would have to go 00:57:33.969 --> 00:57:35.119 through the site plan 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:39.440 process the whole thing potentially depending on the type 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:40.719 of use I suppose 00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.300 it would be possible we'd have to do a replat to carve a 00:57:44.300 --> 00:57:45.880 lot out of it if it 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:50.280 were I'm sure there could be uses for some of that that 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:51.159 would not require a 00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.730 replat that would be just other uses on the property there 00:57:54.730 --> 00:57:56.199 aren't any that I know 00:57:56.199 --> 00:58:00.409 of contemplated uses out there other than what you see but 00:58:00.409 --> 00:58:01.559 but but that could 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.099 happen in the future and we'd come back and start the 00:58:04.099 --> 00:58:05.380 process over whatever that 00:58:05.380 --> 00:58:08.519 happens to be. And so can I just confirm with with staff 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.039 that like if they want 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:12.090 to build an office building you know house some people out 00:58:12.090 --> 00:58:12.679 there put some 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.380 offices out there that requires either a replat or a brand 00:58:17.380 --> 00:58:18.920 new application a new 00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:23.260 project? It would depend on how they intend to organize a 00:58:23.260 --> 00:58:25.159 site obviously they 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:28.130 they would have to meet our standards so we would have to 00:58:28.130 --> 00:58:29.199 verify zoning we would 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.769 have to make sure that the new sites get served by 00:58:32.769 --> 00:58:35.599 utilities and whatever lot 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.630 arrangement or utility arrangement that would be needed to 00:58:38.630 --> 00:58:39.739 serve the site would 00:58:39.739 --> 00:58:43.719 have to be come forward and be approved but there's no 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.360 requirement right now for 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.280 them to lay out. I understand there's no requirement now I 00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.159 just like I said it just seems like it 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.840 creates a lot of barriers for anything else that goes out 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:54.119 there. You have to come 00:58:54.119 --> 00:59:00.500 back and you're only using 15% or something of the lot so 00:59:00.500 --> 00:59:01.000 it seems like 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.570 you just make that one like lot one have lot two the 00:59:04.570 --> 00:59:07.519 remainder that just so 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:11.730 trying to understand the reason for that. And that's the if 00:59:11.730 --> 00:59:13.440 they haven't developed 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.920 that concept yet that's sort of where we are right now but 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:16.639 our process is 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:18.940 flexible enough to allow them to do that in the future 00:59:18.940 --> 00:59:20.079 should they decide to do 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:23.650 that. And if it and would it be possible for them to say 00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:25.480 build an additional 00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.070 unrelated building out there without replatting could they 00:59:30.070 --> 00:59:31.000 just do a site 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:34.230 plan and amended site plan with another building or a site 00:59:34.230 --> 00:59:34.920 plan for an 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.639 additional. We would take it's possible but we would also 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:39.800 take a look again at 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.599 what the use is and what utilities it would need to be 00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:45.119 served what roadway 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.039 infrastructure is needed to serve that site and then make 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:49.800 that call on what how 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:54.679 the planning would look going forward but for now this is 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:55.840 sufficient. And then 00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.360 regarding roadways there doesn't seem to be any indication 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.559 of what circulation 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.800 would get down to what are called parcels but are really 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:05.760 just part of lot 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:09.329 one on this and you know it only shows access to lot one 01:00:09.329 --> 01:00:10.360 which is up on the 01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.820 north side but will we will there be anything on the final 01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:16.800 plot that shows 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:26.400 roadway circulation? Yes there one of the things that we we 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:27.039 have to do because 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.010 the buildings are a little bit higher than 30 feet is we 01:00:30.010 --> 01:00:31.199 have to provide a 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.269 second point of access for emergency access so there will 01:00:35.269 --> 01:00:36.440 be an emergency 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.119 access road and that's all it'll be at this point will be 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.320 down to the south to 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:44.300 Tom Cole Road but otherwise all of the normal access will 01:00:44.300 --> 01:00:45.840 be off of off of Jim 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:53.389 Crystal. Okay I guess I expect in a preliminary plot to 01:00:53.389 --> 01:00:54.360 kind of see some of 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.679 that stuff and like in the preliminary plot has utility 01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:59.960 like water lines and 01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:02.929 sewer but it doesn't seem to show any circulation or you 01:01:02.929 --> 01:01:04.039 know inside the lot 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:09.239 so thank you. I guess the one thing we did leave out of the 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:10.159 conversation is that 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.199 the prelim can be revised as they get more specificity on 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:15.480 the site they can 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.690 come back in and revise the the different plat types to 01:01:19.690 --> 01:01:20.679 match the use 01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:24.250 that they are going to eventually develop so whatever the 01:01:24.250 --> 01:01:25.159 change is it'll 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:28.769 still come back through the normal process. Okay so by 01:01:28.769 --> 01:01:30.199 final we would expect 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.719 to be able to see circulation. 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:44.880 Do you want me to go ahead into the preliminary plot? If no 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:49.199 more questions we can discuss the 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:54.369 premium. Sure. Okay all right so this is PP 1621 Denton 01:01:54.369 --> 01:01:57.079 Energy Center and here is 01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:00.650 the preliminary plot as you can see it follows the 01:02:00.650 --> 01:02:02.760 boundaries of phase one and 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.679 it's kind of hard to see but it does show the the existing 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.119 easements any 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:14.119 proposed easements any proposed dedication of right away. 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:24.619 Commissioner Beck. I wanted to ask this earlier okay so the 01:02:24.619 --> 01:02:27.800 floodplain is not 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:31.789 going to be impacted so much by the Denton Energy Center 01:02:31.789 --> 01:02:33.000 itself but what 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:36.570 about the road and right away upon Jim Crystal? Is that 01:02:36.570 --> 01:02:37.960 going to have any kind 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.909 of effect on a floodplain that of any major consequence? Is 01:02:43.909 --> 01:02:46.000 it pretty simple? 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:50.929 The right away will not however when the road when Jim 01:02:50.929 --> 01:02:52.280 Crystal does get widened 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.030 right now it's slated to be I believe it's a secondary 01:02:55.030 --> 01:02:56.159 arterial which is a 01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.119 four-lane divided roadway eventually that will impact it 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:00.159 because we'll have 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:04.380 to install culverts for the floodplain or flood waters go 01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:05.159 underneath the roadway. 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:10.760 But we'll address it then? That's correct. Okay thanks. 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:17.400 Okay thank you Julie. The next item is a site plan for the 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:19.599 Razor Ranch South R2 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:24.130 district and I'm inviting Musee Brias up to present in 01:03:24.130 --> 01:03:26.039 place of Mike Bell. 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.820 Good evening this is Musee Brias I'm an associate planner 01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:30.679 with the planning 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.420 division and I'm filling in for Mike Bell. This is a site 01:03:34.420 --> 01:03:36.360 plan for furniture 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:42.440 store development in the Razor Ranch development and this 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:43.840 is the general 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:49.690 location where it will be located it's north of 500 feet 01:03:49.690 --> 01:03:51.280 north of Scrippeter 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:59.250 Street and east of I-35. The request is for approval of 01:03:59.250 --> 01:04:01.400 site plan for furniture 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:04.369 store development in the Razor Ranch development. Now I'll 01:04:04.369 --> 01:04:05.519 go over the site 01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:11.199 plan landscape plan and elevations in this presentation. 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:12.880 The criteria for 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:17.889 approval is the site plan fully complies with the concept 01:04:17.889 --> 01:04:19.800 plan it meets all the 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.980 regulations in the architectural standards and the 01:04:21.980 --> 01:04:23.119 landscape standards as 01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:27.539 mentioned in the residential overlay district in exhibit C1 01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:28.760 and exhibit D1 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:33.349 and there's adequate utilities either already available or 01:04:33.349 --> 01:04:34.300 they will be 01:04:34.300 --> 01:04:37.550 provided according according to the applicable requirements 01:04:37.550 --> 01:04:38.400 and site plan 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.969 fully complies with the residential overlay district. This 01:04:41.969 --> 01:04:43.599 is the site plan 01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:48.429 the yellow highlighted area is the building footprint and 01:04:48.429 --> 01:04:49.480 it meets the 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.900 separate requirements parking driveway standards and all of 01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:56.679 the regulations. 01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:02.980 Here is the landscape plan I have highlighted landscape 01:05:02.980 --> 01:05:05.079 areas in green it 01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:10.630 meets the minimum landscape area requirements. These are 01:05:10.630 --> 01:05:11.920 the elevations 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:16.170 the top one is the front elevation then there is the left 01:05:16.170 --> 01:05:17.760 and right elevation and 01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:23.719 then the bottom one is the back elevation this bottom one 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:24.320 is the 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:30.949 elevation that will be facing I-35. This is the perspective 01:05:30.949 --> 01:05:32.039 provided by the 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:37.809 applicant of the site just to give you an idea how it will 01:05:37.809 --> 01:05:41.119 be. So all site plans in 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.909 this district have to meet the architectural standards and 01:05:43.909 --> 01:05:44.119 the 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.340 landscape standards as mentioned in exhibit C1 and exhibit 01:05:47.340 --> 01:05:49.159 D1 and the site 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:52.730 plan landscape plan elevations meet all those requirements. 01:05:52.730 --> 01:05:54.239 Staff recommends a 01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.960 approval for this site plan and I'll stand for any 01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:58.840 questions. 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.409 Commissioner back. Thank you chair there's a lot of glass 01:06:04.409 --> 01:06:05.320 on the front and back 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.889 elevations just curious do we take into consideration 01:06:08.889 --> 01:06:10.639 extreme weather conditions 01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.420 that for certain materials like that is that glass can be 01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:16.000 able withstand you 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.849 know if we have another bodacious hail storm they would get 01:06:20.849 --> 01:06:21.719 an awful lot so is 01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:25.929 it those kind of things taken into consideration with the 01:06:25.929 --> 01:06:27.199 material. I'll 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:31.449 like to invite the applicant who's here I believe for Reson 01:06:31.449 --> 01:06:34.840 ance Development to 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.219 Hello Scott Wagner of Red Development the owner of the 01:06:45.219 --> 01:06:48.239 property and applicant 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:52.760 we do also have the owner and operator of the furniture 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.559 store who is here but 01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.400 not in the work session so they'll be available for the 01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:58.920 meeting but that glass 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.130 the percentage of glass meets the code requirement and I've 01:07:02.130 --> 01:07:02.960 been told from 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.539 those folks it's a structural plate glass like a like a 01:07:05.539 --> 01:07:06.440 high-rise building 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.409 would be so it would certainly be structurally stable for 01:07:09.409 --> 01:07:10.360 that and then it 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:13.210 also meets the energy code I believe the latest energy 01:07:13.210 --> 01:07:15.039 codes 2015 so that was a 01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:17.929 concern of ours and other people's it's you know it's a lot 01:07:17.929 --> 01:07:18.800 of glass a lot of 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.369 heat and whatnot but I think it's a last energy code was 01:07:22.369 --> 01:07:24.840 2012 now it's 2015 so it 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.739 meets that as well so it's a little darker glass than usual 01:07:27.739 --> 01:07:28.239 and will 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.000 certainly be a structural. While you're up here maybe 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:33.400 because this might come 01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:37.960 back to you anyway the panhandle panhandle drive y'all are 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:38.639 gonna be 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:43.050 responsible just for that portion that runs parallel with 01:07:43.050 --> 01:07:44.960 your building 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:50.139 correct that's correct okay the left will be left for the 01:07:50.139 --> 01:07:51.159 development we've 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:55.639 been processing multiple plans through I've got a interrupt 01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:56.639 instead of having 01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:58.889 the discussion now they'd rather have the question in 01:07:58.889 --> 01:07:59.920 public about panhandle 01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:04.159 Street and how all that's gonna get done so we have more 01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:07.960 than the minimum 01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:14.679 parking spaces do it out there okay thank you thank you for 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:18.000 that. Commissioner 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.569 Taylor thank you and this this might involve mr. Wagner as 01:08:21.569 --> 01:08:23.359 well on both of 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:28.199 our all these two razor-range site plans and future ones it 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:29.239 would be useful 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:33.960 probably to see the the overall kind of master plan as well 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:35.439 just it helps when 01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:37.489 you look at the aero map and you just see a whole bunch of 01:08:37.489 --> 01:08:38.199 dirt it's really 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.600 hard to put individual parcels in context so I believe 01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:43.880 there is a full 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:47.859 site there's one that actually shows kind of circulation 01:08:47.859 --> 01:08:49.520 and stuff that's a 01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:55.119 little like not just the block map but the I forget what it 01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:57.640 's called yeah just 01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.029 kind of what's been built so far and kind of what the 01:09:00.029 --> 01:09:01.140 dotted lines are for 01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:05.520 future ideas we can bring that back at a future meeting I 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:06.319 don't know that we have 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:09.529 that today well yeah I'm not I'm just saying like we're 01:09:09.529 --> 01:09:10.119 probably gonna have a 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.689 lot more site plans for a razor so if you just stick that 01:09:12.689 --> 01:09:13.520 in as is as one of 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:17.899 the you know above the site plan as total cons you know 01:09:17.899 --> 01:09:18.800 area concept plan 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:21.199 or something like that I'll make a note of that and we'll 01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:21.800 start doing it from 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:33.090 that side okay commissioner Herschman thank you chair I 01:09:33.090 --> 01:09:35.520 have a are we asking 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:39.770 all panhandle clarification questions in general session or 01:09:39.770 --> 01:09:41.199 is there some that 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:50.800 would be better ask now if it's getting into deliberation 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:51.560 on the 01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:54.199 project I think that is probably better to wait to the 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:55.159 regular session but if 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:59.039 you need clarification and say a technical item we are more 01:09:59.039 --> 01:09:59.760 than happy 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.939 to do that here yes that's what it is okay so my question 01:10:04.939 --> 01:10:05.920 is I just want to 01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:11.569 know so there's an on ramp in this panhandle and so I can't 01:10:11.569 --> 01:10:12.479 tell by the 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:20.460 site by this plat is there going to be access from panhand 01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:29.680 le to I-35 so okay 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.859 thank you Earl and I were just negotiating on who should 01:10:32.859 --> 01:10:33.479 answer that 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:39.369 question so panhandle is a future collector road that will 01:10:39.369 --> 01:10:41.359 connect to I-35 01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.079 in the interim condition until I-35 is widened that will 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:46.239 only be a right in 01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:50.119 condition because of the potential conflict with the right 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:50.960 out onto the 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.560 front of the road and the ramp so that portion of the right 01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.239 out from panhandle 01:10:56.239 --> 01:11:00.579 to I-35 would be blocked off striped barricaded for the 01:11:00.579 --> 01:11:02.119 future and then that 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.760 I think most everybody's aware of the text up plans to 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:05.640 widen that has a 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.210 different ramp configuration when that gets constructed 01:11:09.210 --> 01:11:10.239 then this driveway will 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:14.130 be allowed the driveway permits are going through text out 01:11:14.130 --> 01:11:14.920 as well as the 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:18.489 city engineering folks and that will be planned and sequ 01:11:18.489 --> 01:11:20.119 enced so that occurs 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:27.640 with adequate timing and traffic flow perfect thank you 01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.640 mr. Sullivan 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.140 I think I've got a another buzz in here from staff I think 01:11:44.140 --> 01:11:48.560 we want to have all 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:52.130 the discussions about ingress egress panhandle the road to 01:11:52.130 --> 01:11:53.159 the east and we'll 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.880 do it in there thanks so maybe I wouldn't seeing something 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:56.600 in there that 01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:56.600 and I agree I'm gonna be asking if somebody else if you don 01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:01.479 't so yes sir 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:01.479 and we can bring in a site plan for the overhead camera it 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:06.800 'll help orient and 01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:11.010 talk about traffic and sequencing that's helpful I think 01:12:11.010 --> 01:12:11.600 that'd be helpful 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:19.899 thank you we can go to the final site plan for the movie 01:12:19.899 --> 01:12:21.399 theater and mosaic 01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:25.920 will you pull the mic up so we can hear you 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:33.800 this is a site plan for a razor-edge movie theater in the 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:35.560 reserve installment 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:40.729 this is the general location will be located it's in razor- 01:12:40.729 --> 01:12:42.520 edge r1 district 01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:48.279 of the razor-edge town center this right here it'll be 01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:50.319 right here on here just 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:58.699 south of the town center request is for to consider an 01:12:58.699 --> 01:13:00.960 approval for site plan 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:05.529 for a movie theater development in the reserve development 01:13:05.529 --> 01:13:06.399 now in this 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:10.649 presentation I will go over the site plan landscape plan 01:13:10.649 --> 01:13:11.880 and elevations 01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:15.649 there is a site plan that I've highlighted the building 01:13:15.649 --> 01:13:17.319 footprint it 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:20.039 meets all the parking requirements separate requirements 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:21.920 and other 01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.130 requirements as mentioned in the architectural standards 01:13:26.130 --> 01:13:28.079 the green 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:33.920 highlighted area is the landscaped area which includes some 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:35.680 plaza area as well 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:42.039 there is a close-up of the plaza area in this the applicant 01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.159 has gone way above 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:49.640 in providing the plaza space they are above the requirement 01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:51.000 these are the 01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:54.569 elevations the top one is the east elevation that will be 01:13:54.569 --> 01:13:54.880 facing the 01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.449 multi-family development the lower one is the south 01:13:58.449 --> 01:13:59.640 elevation they'll be 01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:04.920 facing the convention center that is being currently built 01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:06.600 the top one is 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:09.399 the best elevation and the lower one is the north elevation 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:10.600 the lower north 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:15.250 elevation will be facing the town center the site fully 01:14:15.250 --> 01:14:17.000 complies with the concept 01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.090 plan it meets the requirements in architectural standards 01:14:20.090 --> 01:14:20.840 and the landscape 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:24.470 standards as mentioned in the residential overlay district 01:14:24.470 --> 01:14:24.920 and the 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:26.920 site plan fully complies with the residential overlay 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.640 district and all 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:34.659 site plans for this site or in this district will have to 01:14:34.659 --> 01:14:35.380 meet the 01:14:35.380 --> 01:14:37.930 architectural standards and landscape standards as 01:14:37.930 --> 01:14:39.479 mentioned in exhibit C1 and 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.170 exhibit D1 of the residential overlay district and this 01:14:42.170 --> 01:14:43.460 site plan complies with 01:14:43.460 --> 01:14:47.670 all of them staff recommends approval for this site plan I 01:14:47.670 --> 01:14:48.840 'll stand for 01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:54.430 questions if you have any. Commissioner Beck. Thank you 01:14:54.430 --> 01:14:56.680 chair. Could you go back to 01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.510 the overall site plan? I believe it was mentioned that the 01:15:01.510 --> 01:15:02.279 steater was not going 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.850 to be accessible from any of the main roads there that 01:15:05.850 --> 01:15:07.119 there's going to be 01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:13.369 certain is that dark gray area there is that the okay what 01:15:13.369 --> 01:15:14.720 's it connecting to on 01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:21.640 the I believe this will be heritage trail okay okay and it 01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:22.399 doesn't connect 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:27.680 anything west of that or north or anything like that I will 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.359 request so it's 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:35.600 either heritage trail or nothing I think we're gonna have 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.479 to say no okay let's 01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:41.050 go through all this and I want to answer your questions 01:15:41.050 --> 01:15:42.359 okay well I'll ask you 01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:54.680 after thank you. Any other questions for sketch staff 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:56.039 outside of street 01:15:56.039 --> 01:16:01.180 connectivity anything along those lines? Commissioner Hesb 01:16:01.180 --> 01:16:02.460 eth. I'm certain I'm 01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:05.340 missing it but I'm assuming there's some sort of bike rack 01:16:05.340 --> 01:16:06.319 I mean we're gonna get 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.949 I mean I saw back rack indicated at rooms to go I'm 01:16:08.949 --> 01:16:09.800 assuming it's there I'm 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:15.260 just missing it yes yes it is there okay thank you thank 01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:17.159 you 01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:27.510 okay thank you for that presentation and that's going to 01:16:27.510 --> 01:16:28.960 move us to our public 01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:34.899 hearings section and I think Julie will be the presenter on 01:16:34.899 --> 01:16:35.680 this. 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:42.920 Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt planner with the City of Dent 01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.279 on and I'm gonna be 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:51.670 presenting Z1626 to you Zimmer, Kubota and equipment. This 01:16:51.670 --> 01:16:53.560 is Haley Zygursky's 01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:56.500 case so I'm a fill-in for her but we'll try to get all your 01:16:56.500 --> 01:16:57.880 questions answered. 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:02.260 Alright so the location of the of the request is along I-35 01:17:02.260 --> 01:17:03.439 it's on the west 01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:08.500 side of I-35 it's north of University University is down in 01:17:08.500 --> 01:17:10.039 this location and 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:15.560 north of Windsor south of the loop 288 more toward the 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:15.920 north toward the north 01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:20.920 it is 450 feet north of Schuller Street and it has 01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.000 approximately 1600 feet of 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:28.529 frontage along the 35 corridor. So the request before you 01:17:28.529 --> 01:17:29.199 is to consider 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.689 making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rez 01:17:31.689 --> 01:17:32.800 oning for this property 01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:37.800 from RCCN regional center commercial neighborhood to RCCD 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:38.600 which is regional 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:42.840 center commercial downtown. The property is approximately 01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:45.199 eight acres. So the 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:49.210 current zoning and development pattern is shown in front of 01:17:49.210 --> 01:17:50.159 you and it's a 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:53.100 little it's a little complicated so we'll we'll go over it 01:17:53.100 --> 01:17:53.880 so here's the 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:57.680 subject property right here along I-35 as you can see it is 01:17:57.680 --> 01:17:58.920 the RCCN zoning and 01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:03.750 much of the surrounding area around it is the RCCN and that 01:18:03.750 --> 01:18:04.439 area is 01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:08.760 undeveloped agricultural land. To the north you have some R 01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:10.239 CCD it's this 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:15.409 darker purple there's some next to I-35 and then adjacent 01:18:15.409 --> 01:18:17.600 to the property. Across 01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:22.770 I-35 there's NRMU and then to the south is also RCCN it is 01:18:22.770 --> 01:18:23.319 the Denton 01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:25.399 Educational Center that's what it's developed with so there 01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:25.800 's a lot of 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:30.359 undeveloped land around the property with some development 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.640 interspersed. 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:36.210 The future land use for the subject property is business 01:18:36.210 --> 01:18:37.079 innovation and I 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:40.649 know we've been over this before but the the goal of 01:18:40.649 --> 01:18:42.079 business innovation is to 01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:47.390 encourage a big office campus for R&D or or light 01:18:47.390 --> 01:18:50.880 manufacturing or or some sort 01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:56.489 of employment center and then the associated retail uses 01:18:56.489 --> 01:18:57.960 that you would 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:02.420 need near an office center so so this is really encouraging 01:19:02.420 --> 01:19:03.600 you know business 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:09.449 use office use and also retail uses as well. So when we 01:19:09.449 --> 01:19:11.880 look at the analysis of 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:17.050 the site the rezoning to RCCD is logical for this site it 01:19:17.050 --> 01:19:19.399 is they're proposing to 01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:22.649 go to a zoning district that is in the same family of what 01:19:22.649 --> 01:19:24.239 's existing it's 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:27.350 existing at RCCN and they're wanting to go to the next 01:19:27.350 --> 01:19:28.760 highest classification 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:34.220 with it within that family of zoning districts. Although R 01:19:34.220 --> 01:19:35.479 CCD really doesn't 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:39.960 conform to the future land use we do sort of see this 01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:42.119 especially its location 01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:49.260 on I-35 that the proposed RCCD is appropriate you want to 01:19:49.260 --> 01:19:50.279 see those types 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.739 of commercial uses on I-35 particularly when they've got 01:19:52.739 --> 01:19:53.880 that much frontage on 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.600 I-35 that kind of visibility lends to a more commercial use 01:19:57.600 --> 01:19:59.039 . So although RCCD 01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:01.989 really doesn't fit the business innovation it does it does 01:20:01.989 --> 01:20:02.399 fit the 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.739 location and the character of what you want to see in that 01:20:04.739 --> 01:20:06.279 area and and really 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:10.199 a commercial or mixed use future land use would probably be 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:11.239 more appropriate in 01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:16.880 this area. And additionally business innovation you tend to 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:17.239 want to see 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:20.810 really large tracks because you want to see that corporate 01:20:20.810 --> 01:20:21.319 campus type 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:26.149 development. Being only eight acres you know something like 01:20:26.149 --> 01:20:27.680 an ECC or so one of 01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:29.829 those zoning designations really wouldn't necessarily be 01:20:29.829 --> 01:20:30.439 appropriate in 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:32.590 this area because they really don't have the land to 01:20:32.590 --> 01:20:35.520 develop it in that manner. 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.899 It's not on my slide but I'll just say a little further 01:20:38.899 --> 01:20:40.439 when when a request 01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:45.689 doesn't meet the the future land use designation that that 01:20:45.689 --> 01:20:47.039 is shown in the 01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:50.329 Denton plan we have additional criteria that we look at and 01:20:50.329 --> 01:20:51.199 that's in your 01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:54.340 backup and we did go through those criteria for approval 01:20:54.340 --> 01:20:55.079 and and the 01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:58.649 request did meet the criteria for approval for that. 01:20:58.649 --> 01:20:59.560 Furthermore there is 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.539 an environmentally sensitive area on the property. Just 01:21:02.539 --> 01:21:04.960 want to let you know if if 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:08.210 if and when it develops it would still have to comply with 01:21:08.210 --> 01:21:09.640 the sub chapter 17 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:12.529 requirements of environmentally sensitive areas. They 01:21:12.529 --> 01:21:13.840 couldn't impact it 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:17.560 and if they did propose to impact it they would have to 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:19.119 seek approval of an 01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:22.909 alternate environmentally sensitive area plan which 01:21:22.909 --> 01:21:24.399 requires the public hearing 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:26.800 process and approval a recommendation from you and then 01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:27.600 approval by City 01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:32.079 Council. And so because of because of the location because 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:33.960 of the character of the 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:37.680 type of development in this area staff probably would like 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:38.960 to look at a future 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:43.399 land use map revision in the future for this area. Here is 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:44.840 a picture of the 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:49.840 subject property. Public notification was sent out. We have 01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:52.319 received one letter in 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:57.170 response and it was in favor. So based upon the criteria 01:21:57.170 --> 01:21:58.279 for approval in sub 01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:02.850 chapter 3 of the Denton development and the the Denton plan 01:22:02.850 --> 01:22:04.439 2030 staff does 01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:09.460 recommend approval of the request and I will stand for any 01:22:09.460 --> 01:22:10.479 questions. 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:15.710 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. The business is just 01:22:15.710 --> 01:22:17.720 north of this location. 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:22.960 They're in that CCD so they're obviously the types of 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.079 businesses along 01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:28.640 Kimmich-Voto and then from there further north it's just 01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:29.720 all open if I 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:35.239 remember how that is all the way up to loop 288 I believe. 01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:35.760 I think you're right. Yes sir. 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:39.659 And for what it's worth just throwing out there I don't see 01:22:39.659 --> 01:22:40.720 why we don't in 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:46.989 fact consider rezoning all that our CCD. I don't we've 01:22:46.989 --> 01:22:49.399 already started the lay of 01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:51.680 the land so to speak with these type of industries so it 01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:53.119 might not be a bad idea 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:58.119 maybe that's something we can sit around our DCC changes. 01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:00.199 Yes. Okay in your backup 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:06.449 material on considerations for the cost of the city and 01:23:06.449 --> 01:23:06.920 other governmental 01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.060 entities and providing improved increasing or maintaining 01:23:10.060 --> 01:23:10.640 public 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:14.520 utility school and as you pointed out the request would not 01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:15.399 substantially 01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.970 impact the cost to the city in providing these services so 01:23:18.970 --> 01:23:20.000 are are you talking 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:24.920 specifically about Zimmerman-Coboto here or if we wanted to 01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:25.920 do some more of these 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.550 type of developments along that stretch would we then be 01:23:29.550 --> 01:23:30.880 impacting city cost? 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:34.189 That is a good question and when we look at a rezoning case 01:23:34.189 --> 01:23:35.960 we really try to to 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:39.750 remove the specific request from it and just look at the 01:23:39.750 --> 01:23:41.239 zoning district and 01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:44.829 what those permitted uses are. You know this site as well 01:23:44.829 --> 01:23:46.119 as many similar sites 01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:49.689 do you have access to 35 so there's already transportation 01:23:49.689 --> 01:23:50.079 infrastructure in 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:53.420 the area of course when any and when anyone wants to 01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:55.199 develop and plat they 01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.840 would have to make sure that they are served by water and 01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:58.840 sewer so that would 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:03.420 all that would all be a factor during platting but but you 01:24:03.420 --> 01:24:04.920 know staff feels 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:10.819 the RCCD would be you know would be appropriate given given 01:24:10.819 --> 01:24:12.199 the the existing 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:17.970 infrastructure of the I-35 Road there. So okay. Thanks. 01:24:17.970 --> 01:24:20.640 Julie I think the other point that we found as we did 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:25.470 this analysis was that the business innovation land use is 01:24:25.470 --> 01:24:26.920 actually geared 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:31.500 towards large sites which this is a smaller site than what 01:24:31.500 --> 01:24:32.279 could accommodate 01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:36.369 what we what we would like to see so that's another factor 01:24:36.369 --> 01:24:37.399 that led to that 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:45.079 recommendation. Okay any other questions for staff? 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:49.840 I'll make a comment kind of on the back of Commissioner 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:51.479 Beck I know I think 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:53.869 there have been several properties that have come before us 01:24:53.869 --> 01:24:54.399 in this area 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:58.199 slightly to the south. I don't know how active our sub 01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:00.920 committee is for the city 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:05.869 initiated rezoning cases this might be one of those other 01:25:05.869 --> 01:25:07.680 areas just slightly 01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:10.119 north of where I think we were already looking at sites to 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:11.920 be looked at. Do we 01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.819 have any members that are on that subcommittee here they 01:25:15.819 --> 01:25:17.319 want to speak up? 01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:21.529 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair I concur that this is 01:25:21.529 --> 01:25:22.520 an excellent area 01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:27.039 for consideration that subcommittee has not met in in 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:27.880 several months probably 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:33.159 five or six months so if we can get to meeting again we 01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:34.600 could definitely 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:40.850 consider this area. Chair may I contribute to this 01:25:40.850 --> 01:25:42.319 conversation I'm 01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:46.399 Monal Molodod director of development services. We have 01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:47.399 been attempting to 01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:50.970 coordinate a joint meeting with the City Council as you 01:25:50.970 --> 01:25:51.880 know we have also 01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:56.140 enlisted Clarion services to work on our program and our 01:25:56.140 --> 01:25:57.720 zoning districts and 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:02.119 what have you so we do anticipate a way forward with a 01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:03.319 program chart to provide 01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:05.949 to our subcommittee obviously as well as the PNZ and 01:26:05.949 --> 01:26:07.439 ultimately the City Council 01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:13.319 on how we're going to proceed with this item. Thank you for 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:22.600 the update. Thank you 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:28.710 Julie. The last item that we have obviously is noted this 01:26:28.710 --> 01:26:29.600 item has been 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:34.460 withdrawn that's the unified gas well plan so with that I 01:26:34.460 --> 01:26:35.960 believe that is all 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:39.140 the items for clarification in our work session. Is that 01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:42.600 correct? Yes. As such I'm going to 01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:46.600 close our work session at 6 o'clock and we'll reconvene in 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:48.000 council chambers at 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:58.479 630. Thank you. Good evening and welcome to the City of 01:26:58.479 --> 01:26:59.479 Denton planning and 01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.829 zoning Commission meeting for January the 11th 2017. This 01:27:03.829 --> 01:27:05.239 meeting has been duly 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:08.119 posted and we do have a quorum present and I'm gonna call 01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:09.319 our meeting to order 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:13.529 at 630. Our first order of business will be to stand and 01:27:13.529 --> 01:27:14.319 give the pledge to the 01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:20.159 US and the Texas flag. 01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:56.399 Our next item on our agenda this evening will be to 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:57.640 consider the approval of the 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:00.600 planning and zoning Commission meeting minutes. I don't 01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:01.840 believe in our work 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:06.050 session we had any changes to either set of minutes so the 01:28:06.050 --> 01:28:06.880 chair would entertain 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:14.789 a motion for both sets of minutes for approval. 01:28:14.789 --> 01:28:19.479 Commissioner Taylor. Second 01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:23.279 Commissioner Beck. Second. Okay. I have a motion for 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:25.399 approval of both the November 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:33.840 30th 2016 and the December 14 2016 minutes as reported. Any 01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:34.640 discussion or 01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:38.850 clarification? Seeing none I'll call for Commissioner 01:28:38.850 --> 01:28:41.720 Sullivan. I'm sorry. 01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:48.739 Well let's thank you for bringing that to our attention. 01:28:48.739 --> 01:28:50.600 Let's I will ask 01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:55.770 Commissioner Taylor to restate his motion and two separate. 01:28:55.770 --> 01:28:57.359 We'll do the 01:28:57.359 --> 01:29:03.739 November 30th first and then we'll proceed. Thank you. Okay 01:29:03.739 --> 01:29:05.520 so let me get 01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:13.069 the item back up. I move approval of the November 30th 2016 01:29:13.069 --> 01:29:13.979 minutes of the 01:29:13.979 --> 01:29:18.189 planning and zoning Commission. Second Commissioner Beck. 01:29:18.189 --> 01:29:21.960 The chair will second. 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:27.239 Any discussion on that item? Seeing none I'll call for a 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.199 vote on the board. 01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:43.430 Motion carries 5-0 with one recuse. Commissioner Taylor. I 01:29:43.430 --> 01:29:44.399 move we approve 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:48.720 our December 14 2016 minutes. Commissioner Ellis. I will 01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:49.560 second that. 01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:55.600 Approval for December 14th. Any discussion or questions? 01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:59.550 Commissioner Sullivan's names up. Is that just an error 01:29:59.550 --> 01:30:01.039 still on the board here? 01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:06.560 Okay. Call for a vote on the board. 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:17.609 That motion will carry 5-0 with one recuse. That will take 01:30:17.609 --> 01:30:19.079 us to our consent 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:28.159 agenda. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve the consent 01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:31.039 agenda. Okay. 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:35.270 Commissioner Ellis. Second. Okay I have a first and a 01:30:35.270 --> 01:30:37.319 second for approval. Any 01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:45.880 discussion? Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board. 01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:57.029 Motion carries 6-0. That will take us to item 4 on our 01:30:57.029 --> 01:31:01.199 agenda. Individual 01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:07.449 consideration items. We'll call on Julie White for 01:31:07.449 --> 01:31:12.800 presentation of GDP 16-0002. 01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:21.949 Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt. Excuse me. Senior planner 01:31:21.949 --> 01:31:25.960 with the City of Denton. 01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:29.630 The request before you is a general development plan for 01:31:29.630 --> 01:31:31.439 approximately 340 01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:36.939 acres. The property is located on the west side of town 01:31:36.939 --> 01:31:39.359 just north northwest of 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:43.130 the Denton Enterprise Airport and based upon the criteria 01:31:43.130 --> 01:31:44.479 that we talked about 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:48.689 within the work session. Staff does recommend approval. I 01:31:48.689 --> 01:31:49.600 'll stand for any 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:52.569 questions. The applicant is here and if you want to go over 01:31:52.569 --> 01:31:53.600 any elements of the 01:31:53.600 --> 01:32:00.069 presentation I'll be happy to do that. Any questions for 01:32:00.069 --> 01:32:01.760 staff? 01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:08.750 Hold on a second Julie. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair 01:32:08.750 --> 01:32:10.600 . Julie knowing that 01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.229 there's a large floodplain here and and there's a lot of 01:32:13.229 --> 01:32:14.319 flooding in this area 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.220 do you know what kind of studies have been done before we 01:32:17.220 --> 01:32:19.640 established this? I'm 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:22.890 gonna call either Earl Escobar or the applicant up for them 01:32:22.890 --> 01:32:23.720 to address that 01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:34.369 question. There is an existing floodplain located to the 01:32:34.369 --> 01:32:35.319 believe that on the west 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:38.529 side as well as the east side and they are both studied 01:32:38.529 --> 01:32:40.119 floodplains so there is 01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:43.840 an established water surface elevation along those two cree 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:44.399 ks and the 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:47.739 developments not going to impact those floodplains either 01:32:47.739 --> 01:32:49.439 through detention or 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:53.810 and drainage or runoff from the development. I'm sorry. D 01:32:53.810 --> 01:32:54.640 rain off or run 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:57.600 it run off from the development as it's being developed and 01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:58.399 then once it's 01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:02.119 developed is that going to be studied along the way? The 01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:03.359 impact that that will 01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:06.449 have? I believe the applicant mentioned that during work 01:33:06.449 --> 01:33:07.439 session that they were 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:10.409 going to propose some sort of a pond either sedimentation 01:33:10.409 --> 01:33:11.479 or detention pond 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:14.550 as part of this development maybe to restrict the flow back 01:33:14.550 --> 01:33:15.279 to existing 01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:18.850 conditions so I'll pop to rely on the applicant to 01:33:18.850 --> 01:33:26.119 elaborate more on that. Any 01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:30.229 other questions for staff? Would you like the applicant to 01:33:30.229 --> 01:33:31.199 come up and address 01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:39.670 that? Okay. I was going to go ahead I'm just gonna call 01:33:39.670 --> 01:33:41.800 them next. I'm Gary Vickery 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:44.750 with Tegan-Olin Perkins representing DME. I really hate to 01:33:44.750 --> 01:33:45.960 ask this but I'm not 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:50.010 sure I heard the question right. My question we had to do 01:33:50.010 --> 01:33:51.039 with the fact that 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:54.609 there is a lot of flooding there's there's floodplain what 01:33:54.609 --> 01:33:55.239 was the study 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:59.300 done if there is any so far done to what the runoff from 01:33:59.300 --> 01:34:00.560 the development will do 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:04.770 or what once the development is in place? Okay. Will it 01:34:04.770 --> 01:34:07.359 have impact? Okay we didn't 01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.930 actually do a drainage study in terms of the streams 01:34:10.930 --> 01:34:12.079 themselves we've done a 01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.470 couple of things though first of all we've made sure that 01:34:14.470 --> 01:34:15.319 we're keeping all 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.890 of our improvements outside of the floodplain of course 01:34:18.890 --> 01:34:20.239 those ESAs associated 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:22.720 with those floodplains we're staying away from those as 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:24.359 well. We're directing 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.930 nearly all of the runoff from the developed portion will go 01:34:27.930 --> 01:34:29.279 southwest into 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:34.340 a sediment pond before it's discharged into the into the 01:34:34.340 --> 01:34:34.920 stream there are a 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:37.489 couple of smaller storm drain systems that will will not go 01:34:37.489 --> 01:34:38.159 through that 01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:41.310 sediment pond but for the most part they most of the runoff 01:34:41.310 --> 01:34:42.359 will go through that 01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:46.569 so that'll capture erosion sediment and that kind of thing 01:34:46.569 --> 01:34:47.720 long term not just 01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:50.539 during construction of course during construction we have 01:34:50.539 --> 01:34:51.359 all of our erosion 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:56.819 control devices out there to stop erosion during 01:34:56.819 --> 01:34:59.680 construction and then as 01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:04.239 far as amount of runoff what we really look at in a in a 01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:05.800 site like this this 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:09.369 is a huge watershed that goes up several miles up if I 01:35:09.369 --> 01:35:11.479 remember correctly the 01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:15.329 the runoff from from this site will reach that stream long 01:35:15.329 --> 01:35:16.479 before the peak 01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:19.939 hits the stream so in engineering speak we think of what we 01:35:19.939 --> 01:35:20.760 call coincident 01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:24.329 peaks where what's most important from a flooding 01:35:24.329 --> 01:35:25.840 standpoint is what's the peak 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:30.050 the most water that's in the stream and although this this 01:35:30.050 --> 01:35:31.560 project will increase 01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:35.359 the total volume it won't increase the flow rate into the 01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:37.399 stream so it it'll be 01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:40.369 the water will leave this site be in the stream and be way 01:35:40.369 --> 01:35:41.600 downstream before the 01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:45.319 real peak gets here so from a flooding perspective this has 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:46.439 no impact on the on 01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:53.159 the on the stream thank you 01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:59.939 this is an individual consideration item I don't have any 01:35:59.939 --> 01:36:01.359 cards so if there's 01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:05.369 anyone who'd like to speak on this item please come forward 01:36:05.369 --> 01:36:06.800 this time state your 01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:09.350 name and address and then before you leave we'll need to 01:36:09.350 --> 01:36:10.199 get a card filled 01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:13.920 out from you sure my name is Paul Meltzer I live at 1914 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:14.840 West Oak Street I 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:18.409 would just like to state some things that I think are 01:36:18.409 --> 01:36:20.000 apparent to everyone 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.439 that this project in total is the largest expenditure in 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:26.439 Denton's history 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:31.270 that it was passed very narrowly by council there was a 01:36:31.270 --> 01:36:32.239 determination made 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.220 that no public vote was needed which might be legally true 01:36:35.220 --> 01:36:36.159 but we know that 01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:40.859 what the legal minimum is is necessarily what's the best 01:36:40.859 --> 01:36:43.399 thing to do I think if 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:46.970 there were public support for it there may well have been a 01:36:46.970 --> 01:36:48.479 vote called but I 01:36:48.479 --> 01:36:51.659 think the the fact that this is a town that voted 59 01:36:51.659 --> 01:36:53.159 percent to ban fracking 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:56.100 probably gives some indication that there would have been 01:36:56.100 --> 01:36:56.880 resistance to 01:36:56.880 --> 01:37:01.430 building a frack gas plant so knowing that also knowing 01:37:01.430 --> 01:37:03.319 that three of the four 01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:07.560 votes that went for it or were cast by people are not going 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:09.119 to be on council in 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:12.239 a matter of months doesn't mean that the outcome will be 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:12.920 different but it does 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:16.270 mean that there's at least some reasonable probability that 01:37:16.270 --> 01:37:16.800 that the 01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:19.609 process will get re-looked at so that you know other 01:37:19.609 --> 01:37:20.800 alternatives can be 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:24.760 investigated expertly that were not investigated in the 01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:25.279 past go-around 01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:30.239 knowing that I would just encourage you know in whatever 01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:32.000 basis of expertise 01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:43.289 you'll have a go very slow approach thank you thank you any 01:37:43.289 --> 01:37:44.439 other individuals 01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:52.289 that would like to speak on this item seeing none the chair 01:37:52.289 --> 01:37:53.720 would entertain a 01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:57.640 motion or open the floor for discussion 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:17.649 commissioner Taylor excuse me thank you chair there are 01:38:17.649 --> 01:38:20.119 obviously a lot of other 01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:23.689 things outside of the planning and zoning aspect of this 01:38:23.689 --> 01:38:24.920 project that that 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:28.880 citizens may have concerns about and you know as I as I 01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:29.920 serve on this 01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:34.270 commission and in any in every case I hear I try and apply 01:38:34.270 --> 01:38:35.880 basically the rule 01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:38.699 of law that everybody is treated fairly all applicants and 01:38:38.699 --> 01:38:39.640 applications all 01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:42.720 projects are treated fairly and our requirements are that 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:43.640 you must meet our 01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:46.729 standards and if you meet our standards then you can get 01:38:46.729 --> 01:38:48.279 your plat you can you 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:51.850 know you can get your building permit so forth and so on in 01:38:51.850 --> 01:38:55.880 this case I I feel 01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:58.010 like the plat the preliminary plat which is not what we're 01:38:58.010 --> 01:38:58.880 talking about at this 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:02.619 exact moment but we will be in a minute is lacking some 01:39:02.619 --> 01:39:03.840 detail that will be 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:06.210 there in the final plat I think will help answer some 01:39:06.210 --> 01:39:08.239 questions but as far as 01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:12.239 this general development plan goes if this were you know 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:13.760 any private company 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:18.439 we couldn't reasonably uphold or you know hold them up 01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:20.880 because we're not sure 01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:23.359 about or we know maybe there's questions about whether or 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:24.300 not the citizens like 01:39:24.300 --> 01:39:28.960 the company or like the goals of the project they they meet 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:30.199 our laws and so 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:33.920 for that reason I'm going to move approval of the general 01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.439 development plan 01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:47.109 and a motion on the floor we have a second commissioner 01:39:47.109 --> 01:39:49.479 husband second we 01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:55.520 have a first and a second for approval any discussion 01:39:59.039 --> 01:40:03.359 seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:14.170 motion carries six to zero I want to pause for a minute for 01:40:14.170 --> 01:40:15.159 a housekeeping 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:19.039 item that I neglected at the beginning of our meeting we 01:40:19.039 --> 01:40:20.359 have an item on the 01:40:20.359 --> 01:40:25.680 very last item of our agenda in public hearings item B PZ 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:29.680 17 - 0 1 0 which is to 01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:34.270 hold a public hearing for the unified gas well plan for Ro 01:40:34.270 --> 01:40:36.399 bson Ranch that item 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:39.039 has been withdrawn so if there's anyone here that is 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:40.359 waiting for this item I 01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:42.239 just want to make the announcement that that has been 01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:43.159 withdrawn because it is 01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:45.930 going to be our last item on our agenda and it has been 01:40:45.930 --> 01:40:48.279 withdrawn so with that 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:58.149 announcement I'm going to move on to item 4B and I will 01:40:58.149 --> 01:41:00.000 call on Julie Wyatt 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:07.159 for presentation of PB PP 16 - 0 0 2 1 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:13.439 your planner with the city of Denton presenting PP 16 - 0 1 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:14.640 this is a 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:18.720 preliminary plot for the Denton Energy Center and it the 01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:20.199 boundaries of this 01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:24.720 preliminary plot are are the same boundaries as phase one 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:25.720 of the GDP that 01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:30.760 was just considered so I'll stand for any questions and the 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:32.359 applicant is here 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:42.119 any questions for staff? Commissioner Tyler. Thank you 01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:43.039 thank you chair I'll just 01:41:43.039 --> 01:41:47.000 reiterate my concerns from the from the work session about 01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:48.500 the size and scale of 01:41:48.500 --> 01:41:51.710 lot one block A that it is all-inclusive whenever only 01:41:51.710 --> 01:41:53.199 about 15% of its plan to 01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:56.770 be developed and a lack of detail on circulation 01:41:56.770 --> 01:41:58.520 transportation and I expect 01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:01.199 all those you know they have to be there for the final plot 01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:01.720 but it would have been 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:09.039 nice to see them at this time. Any other questions for 01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:11.079 staff? Commissioner Ellis. 01:42:11.079 --> 01:42:15.159 Thank you chair okay to piggyback on Commissioner Taylor is 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:16.600 there is there a 01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:19.539 reason that we did it this way or that the applicant did it 01:42:19.539 --> 01:42:20.960 this way with lot 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.270 one being so large? If you don't mind I'll call the 01:42:23.270 --> 01:42:24.439 applicant down for him to answer 01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:26.800 that. 01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:35.810 The reason that we well I guess the question is why do we 01:42:35.810 --> 01:42:38.800 have just a single 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:42.369 lot if I understand correctly and the reason is because we 01:42:42.369 --> 01:42:43.399 have a single use 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:47.180 at this time as I understand that we don't have any plans 01:42:47.180 --> 01:42:48.239 for any of that 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:53.119 property around with within that hundred and what is 170 01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:54.560 acres in lot one we 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:54.560 don't have any plans for anything else so there really wasn 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:58.000 't a need one of the 01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:00.510 things we liked about this property besides its situation 01:43:00.510 --> 01:43:00.920 close to 01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:04.489 transmission lines and gas lines was that there's a lot of 01:43:04.489 --> 01:43:05.520 room between what 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.350 we propose and neighbors the closest we are to a property 01:43:10.350 --> 01:43:12.560 line is 550 feet on 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:18.840 the south to which is farmland so we really the to carve it 01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:19.800 into more lots 01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:23.159 would would suggest that we'd have to think of how would we 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:24.159 want to use this 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:28.180 where those lots would make any sense if we wanted to use 01:43:28.180 --> 01:43:29.680 that south portion 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.649 below the energy center if we were going to do something 01:43:32.649 --> 01:43:34.239 with that that would be 01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:38.159 inconsistent with this use we would want to carve out a lot 01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:39.159 but since we don't 01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:42.270 have any of those uses in mind there really wasn't any 01:43:42.270 --> 01:43:43.319 value in having lots 01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:46.659 that would only constrain us if we did come in want to do 01:43:46.659 --> 01:43:47.960 something different 01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.529 than we had thought earlier if that makes sense I'm I'm 01:43:51.529 --> 01:43:52.359 afraid I'm starting 01:43:52.359 --> 01:44:00.840 to ramble they may have been one more question for you 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:01.520 Commissioner back 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:05.479 thank you chair nobody knows what the future holds but if 01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:06.479 all the stars were 01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:10.199 aligned ideally from my perspective you know there may be a 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:11.359 time down the road 01:44:11.359 --> 01:44:15.079 when we may convert to another type of energy renewable 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:16.399 energy and this was 01:44:16.399 --> 01:44:20.670 discussed and all the discussions that went on months 01:44:20.670 --> 01:44:22.640 before this that in that 01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:29.390 case say where there was stored energy that that land would 01:44:29.390 --> 01:44:30.560 be necessary to 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:37.239 build those battery backups so is that if that was the case 01:44:37.239 --> 01:44:39.760 would there what 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:42.460 we're approving today would there be a need to replant 01:44:42.460 --> 01:44:43.600 anything for that or 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:47.170 would that be a part of the existing didn't energy center 01:44:47.170 --> 01:44:48.880 this is a little bit 01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:52.050 of speculation on my part and said re-enlight correct me if 01:44:52.050 --> 01:44:52.680 I'm wrong my 01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:55.500 understanding is if we wanted to use part of the property 01:44:55.500 --> 01:44:56.439 for that kind of a 01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:00.399 use it would still be consistent with the zoning so we 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:01.439 would be able to do that 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:05.649 but we would have to come back with a site plan and a site 01:45:05.649 --> 01:45:07.039 plan permit and a 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:10.140 building permit so that we would go through the entire 01:45:10.140 --> 01:45:11.439 process again in that 01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:15.010 respect I would not think we would need to plant it as a 01:45:15.010 --> 01:45:16.600 separate lot if it's 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:19.359 still say an energy use owned by the city then there wouldn 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:20.239 't really be much 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.029 reason to plant a separate lot but we would have to come 01:45:23.029 --> 01:45:24.199 back for approval for 01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:28.560 that kind of a use okay great thank you 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:34.319 any other questions for the applicant 01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:42.920 thank you sir unless there any other questions or 01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:44.000 discussion on this item the 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:47.560 chair would entertain a motion 01:45:52.399 --> 01:46:02.220 Commissioner Hushman I move approval of this item PP 16 - 0 01:46:02.220 --> 01:46:05.600 2 1 chair will second 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:09.279 any discussion 01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:14.279 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair just one clarification 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:16.239 on the plaid the owner 01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:21.409 shows Eagle Farms Inc does the city of Denton own it and it 01:46:21.409 --> 01:46:22.000 was that just a 01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:27.869 timing thing with when when this was started yes as a 01:46:27.869 --> 01:46:31.640 matter of fact the city 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:36.680 has acquired that property since the plat was submitted I 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:41.119 'll make a comment I 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.869 know there's a number of concerns about the site and the 01:46:44.869 --> 01:46:46.279 location of what's 01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:49.539 going on it and I just think the city has done a good job 01:46:49.539 --> 01:46:50.880 in my observation of 01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:54.880 where they've chosen to locate the site in regards to 01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:56.880 future housing with flood 01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.449 plain to the east with flood plain to the west with the 01:47:00.449 --> 01:47:01.560 airport I think it 01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:06.630 makes a for all the controversy that there's been I think 01:47:06.630 --> 01:47:08.119 it is a good move 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:12.649 on the city's part to take into consideration what concerns 01:47:12.649 --> 01:47:14.039 for residents 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:17.760 around this facility and I think long term it's a great 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:19.199 location because of 01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:22.770 some of the natural things that are around it next to the 01:47:22.770 --> 01:47:23.800 loop that they're 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:27.369 the possibility of a large number of homes and things being 01:47:27.369 --> 01:47:28.279 next to this site 01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:33.229 is very limited so with that I'm going to call for a vote 01:47:33.229 --> 01:47:34.800 and I'll be supporting 01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:37.840 this measure this evening 01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:57.449 the motion carries six zero okay that will move us to item 01:47:57.449 --> 01:48:01.560 4 C and I will call 01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:09.159 on the museum for presentation of SP 16 - zero zero one six 01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:11.279 good evening I'm 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:17.399 Moussa I'm associate planner with the city of Denon this is 01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:20.319 a site plan for 01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:24.039 furniture store in the Residence development it is located 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:24.600 north of 01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:29.609 scripture Street and east of I 35 site plan meets the 01:48:29.609 --> 01:48:31.119 requirements of the 01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:33.210 architectural standards landscape standards and all other 01:48:33.210 --> 01:48:33.840 standards in the 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:37.210 Residence overlay district and if you have any questions 01:48:37.210 --> 01:48:38.399 the staff recommends 01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:40.949 approval for this project if you have any questions I'll 01:48:40.949 --> 01:48:41.600 stand for any 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:45.909 questions I think we'll have some questions Commissioner 01:48:45.909 --> 01:48:46.880 Beck thank you 01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:50.760 chair I think I had my question satisfactorily answered 01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:51.439 about paying 01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:57.439 the industry but the requirement for parking spaces only 01:48:57.439 --> 01:48:59.159 called for 54 spaces 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:07.850 and yet they're gonna be getting 135 parking spaces so why 01:49:07.850 --> 01:49:09.479 so the Residence 01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:13.050 overlay district don't have parking maximums so there is no 01:49:13.050 --> 01:49:14.079 maximum limit 01:49:14.079 --> 01:49:20.329 for parking okay just as long provided they've got the the 01:49:20.329 --> 01:49:25.239 land use okay 01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:33.609 Commissioner Tyler thank you chair in all of the razor 01:49:33.609 --> 01:49:36.800 ranch overlay there 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:39.680 isn't a parking requirement there is but there is minimum 01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:40.880 parking requirements 01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:44.510 but no parking maximums okay all right I know we've had so 01:49:44.510 --> 01:49:46.159 many discussions about 01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:49.729 parking at razor ranch I'm just shocked by that out of 01:49:49.729 --> 01:49:51.760 those 300 pages that none 01:49:51.760 --> 01:50:00.520 of it covered maximum parking any other questions for staff 01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:01.560 Commissioner 01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:06.600 Husband can you if you would be so kind can you you're 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:07.920 doing a great job by the 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:12.960 way outstanding yeah Mike will be proud of you so can you 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:14.079 pull up the the site 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:21.989 that has other the graphic that shows the site plan so we 01:50:21.989 --> 01:50:23.560 can talk about panhandle 01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:31.109 let me I like to call on the applicant to come here and see 01:50:31.109 --> 01:50:33.399 this thank you 01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:39.500 good evening Commissioners my name is Daniel Stewart I'm 01:50:39.500 --> 01:50:41.159 with Kate's Clark and 01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:45.720 Associates 14800 quorum drive in Dallas Texas represent the 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:46.960 civil engineer on 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.470 behalf of the owner and I'd be happy to answer any 01:50:49.470 --> 01:50:51.159 questions you have got it and 01:50:51.159 --> 01:50:53.789 your name again I'm sorry Daniel Stewart day yes thank you 01:50:53.789 --> 01:50:55.199 so can you can you 01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:57.770 just give me a day in the life of panhandle as this project 01:50:57.770 --> 01:50:58.920 kind of grows 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:03.750 I'm just curious and pointedly and we we touched on a 01:51:03.750 --> 01:51:04.680 briefly and work session 01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:08.909 but just want to kind of understand it better I see panhand 01:51:08.909 --> 01:51:10.800 le and I see an on 01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:15.170 ramp and that's naturally tempting to me to cross all those 01:51:15.170 --> 01:51:16.079 lanes and just jump 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.460 on the highway to avoid University Drive I understand that 01:51:18.460 --> 01:51:19.239 's not going to be the 01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:21.869 case but can you just walk us through how that's going to 01:51:21.869 --> 01:51:22.760 function sure be 01:51:22.760 --> 01:51:25.399 happy to and you are correct that's not going to happen at 01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:28.720 least today anyway the 01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:31.479 plan right now is it's been coordinated with text dot is 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:32.479 panhandle will be built 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:35.819 with a right in and so in other words if you're on the 01:51:35.819 --> 01:51:37.760 interstate 35 frontage 01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:40.630 road you can turn right on to panhandle it will not be 01:51:40.630 --> 01:51:42.079 built with an exit as 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:48.520 today when tech stop comes in and is able to improve the 35 01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:49.960 corridor once 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:52.720 they move that on ramp then we'll be allowed to come in on 01:51:52.720 --> 01:51:53.640 panhandle and make 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.850 that exit on to from panhandle to the 35th or frontage road 01:51:57.850 --> 01:51:59.079 so it'll be a 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:03.909 phased improvement thank you you're welcome sure 01:52:03.909 --> 01:52:07.199 Commissioner Taylor so once 01:52:07.199 --> 01:52:11.760 people get to the store how do they get out there's a 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:13.640 master developers here and 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:16.979 he has a cycling he might be able to share with you but 01:52:16.979 --> 01:52:18.520 there's an access 01:52:18.520 --> 01:52:22.090 drive that we're going to be built concurrently with our 01:52:22.090 --> 01:52:22.840 project that you 01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.630 see on the east side it's labeled the future access it's 01:52:25.630 --> 01:52:26.560 kind of in gray on 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.979 this site plan but that will be built concurrently with our 01:52:30.979 --> 01:52:32.239 site work and so 01:52:32.239 --> 01:52:35.189 anybody wanting to go north on 35 can take that access 01:52:35.189 --> 01:52:36.239 drive and there's I 01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:38.760 believe three other exit points to the frontage road that 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:39.680 they can take to get 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:44.039 back on the frontage road so this ties into the movie 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:46.239 theater parking lot is 01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:50.560 that the yes I mean it'll tie all together with the razor- 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:50.640 edge 01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:54.880 infrastructure so you can go yeah let me prefer to him he 01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:56.560 knows the overall side 01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:02.039 a little bit better thank you my name is Scott Wagner with 01:53:02.039 --> 01:53:02.640 red development 01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:06.210 represent the landowner developer of the overall project 01:53:06.210 --> 01:53:07.439 and this is one of our 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:11.329 projects rooms to go that will be acquiring the property 01:53:11.329 --> 01:53:12.119 and developing 01:53:12.119 --> 01:53:14.960 the furniture store we are responsible for building the 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:15.920 infrastructure and the 01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:20.130 utilities and the driveways around the project I do have a 01:53:20.130 --> 01:53:21.560 couple of exhibits if 01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:25.130 we can use the the eye in the sky that I think will be 01:53:25.130 --> 01:53:26.520 helpful if you bear with 01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:29.630 me I'll go through two quickly because one's kind of 01:53:29.630 --> 01:53:30.920 colored up I usually 01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:34.489 bring two or three with me and throughout my meetings each 01:53:34.489 --> 01:53:34.880 every couple 01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:37.560 weeks I mark them all up so this one's clean and I'll start 01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:38.399 with that and I'll 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:47.199 go to a mark up version okay so probably blow back out a 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:48.159 little bit just where 01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:52.720 you were that's the an overall conceptual site plan of 01:53:52.720 --> 01:53:54.520 razor ranch with 01:53:54.520 --> 01:54:00.140 I 35 on this side University 380 at the top and then 01:54:00.140 --> 01:54:03.239 heritage trail the 01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:07.449 ownership that I represent we have now purchased some 01:54:07.449 --> 01:54:09.399 additional land down here 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:13.359 in the last year so we effectively own and control and will 01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:14.239 operate that 01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:18.779 approximately 130 acres of the shopping center between pan 01:54:18.779 --> 01:54:20.319 handle future roadway 01:54:20.319 --> 01:54:26.800 and University in between heritage and I 35 the rooms to go 01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:28.720 site is down here in 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:31.479 the far southwest corner we're talking about the panhandle 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:33.239 entrance and the 01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:37.100 entrance the exit the ingress egress the exit would be 01:54:37.100 --> 01:54:40.239 along a roadway path 01:54:40.760 --> 01:54:44.329 exiting back out on die 35 here which is actually being 01:54:44.329 --> 01:54:45.640 built for the hotel 01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:48.029 convention center so this is the hotel convention center 01:54:48.029 --> 01:54:48.640 that's under 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:52.210 construction if you've driven by lately it's about 11 01:54:52.210 --> 01:54:54.479 stories tall we're 01:54:54.479 --> 01:54:56.960 building the infrastructure for those folks as well so and 01:54:56.960 --> 01:54:58.159 then they'll have 01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:01.729 another entrance here then of course the rest of the 01:55:01.729 --> 01:55:02.840 project the next map I'll 01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:05.800 show you a little bit of phasing but to answer a question 01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:06.840 for me the next case 01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:09.930 but just to point out the general vicinity this is rooms to 01:55:09.930 --> 01:55:11.119 go is the hotel 01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:14.369 convention center this is where the theater project would 01:55:14.369 --> 01:55:17.199 be last month or 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:21.170 maybe two months I see those October the apartment site 01:55:21.170 --> 01:55:22.560 plan was brought before 01:55:22.560 --> 01:55:26.510 you and approved located here on this project this is the W 01:55:26.510 --> 01:55:27.680 ynko foods that is 01:55:27.680 --> 01:55:31.460 open and operating and then we have the raising canes the 01:55:31.460 --> 01:55:33.520 Chipotle sleep sleep 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:37.229 number chilies and in and out which is due to open in a few 01:55:37.229 --> 01:55:38.479 short weeks so 01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:43.020 those roadways those buildings those are all open I'll 01:55:43.020 --> 01:55:45.239 switch exhibits this will 01:55:45.239 --> 01:55:49.869 be a graphical depiction of what I look at is construction 01:55:49.869 --> 01:55:51.119 phases of the project 01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:54.000 to get an idea and I'll orient it the same way the last 01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:55.159 exhibit but it's a 01:55:55.159 --> 01:56:03.119 little bigger it's colored so again University is up on the 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:06.520 top I 35 the 01:56:06.520 --> 01:56:10.729 future panhandle scripture would be down off the bottom of 01:56:10.729 --> 01:56:12.359 the page down here 01:56:12.359 --> 01:56:15.939 in heritage trail through the middle the yellow would be 01:56:15.939 --> 01:56:17.479 the infrastructure that's 01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:20.340 built open and operating with those tenants I just 01:56:20.340 --> 01:56:21.760 mentioned that the stores 01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:24.189 are open if you haven't been out to raise a ranch please 01:56:24.189 --> 01:56:24.800 come out and visit 01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:30.010 us that's my sales pitch for the night the blue if you 01:56:30.010 --> 01:56:31.800 notice the roadways are 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:36.300 a solid blue some of the other site are cross hatched in 01:56:36.300 --> 01:56:38.279 blue the cross hatched 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:42.270 blue here is the hotel Convention Center so that entire 01:56:42.270 --> 01:56:43.880 site is being built by 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:47.449 those folks and we are building the roads around them to 01:56:47.449 --> 01:56:48.279 deliver that site 01:56:48.279 --> 01:56:54.220 to them that is planning talking about an opening towards 01:56:54.220 --> 01:56:56.800 the end of 2017 the 01:56:56.800 --> 01:57:00.649 or the apartment site which the site plan was approved like 01:57:00.649 --> 01:57:01.239 I said in 01:57:01.239 --> 01:57:04.310 October the you'll see the blue improvements which are 01:57:04.310 --> 01:57:04.920 already under 01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:09.130 construction they will also serve that site and then the 01:57:09.130 --> 01:57:11.000 two access drives to I 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:14.779 35 are going to be improved as part of the delivery and 01:57:14.779 --> 01:57:15.880 open an operation of 01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:20.090 the Convention Center so we'll have a few additional pad 01:57:20.090 --> 01:57:20.840 sites that would be 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:25.239 improved if you will able to be developed at that time the 01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:26.680 pink begins 01:57:26.680 --> 01:57:30.250 kind of the next phase which is where the rooms to go is 01:57:30.250 --> 01:57:31.479 and all the pink 01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:35.119 roads would be what we are proposing to plan and build when 01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:36.359 rooms to goes open 01:57:36.359 --> 01:57:45.359 and operating due to development timing development process 01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:46.000 approvals and 01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:49.909 sequencing building permits construction and CFOs and 01:57:49.909 --> 01:57:51.359 inspection we build these 01:57:51.359 --> 01:57:53.850 things in multiple phases with multiple plan sets so it's 01:57:53.850 --> 01:57:54.720 not all done in one 01:57:54.720 --> 01:58:00.029 plan set because I get started on a project and I don't 01:58:00.029 --> 01:58:01.800 want a landscape 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:05.520 item or a cracked curb here holding up rooms to go able to 01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:06.600 get their CFO or 01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:10.170 open so we have this pink area for example might have three 01:58:10.170 --> 01:58:10.920 or four plan 01:58:10.920 --> 01:58:15.409 sets so that is the overall and I think that might address 01:58:15.409 --> 01:58:16.760 some of the questions 01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:20.760 but not to jump ahead on a case but just again for general 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:22.279 information the area 01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:26.279 in green is the theater location and the theater site plan 01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:27.680 improvements so you'd 01:58:27.680 --> 01:58:32.520 see kind of how it everything from from there down is being 01:58:32.520 --> 01:58:33.359 planned and 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:37.930 developed and constructed and there's plenty of access ing 01:58:37.930 --> 01:58:39.560 ress and egress to 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:45.609 and from University Heritage and I-35 so I'll stand for any 01:58:45.609 --> 01:58:47.359 questions. I have a 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:50.210 number of questions and I don't know I'll start with 01:58:50.210 --> 01:58:51.880 Commissioner Hesmith is 01:58:51.880 --> 01:58:57.439 this for Mr. Wagner or someone else? No that was left over. 01:58:57.439 --> 01:58:59.760 Okay thank you. 01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:04.119 Commissioner back. Thank you chair so did I just hear you 01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:05.760 right that you said that 01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:09.729 when rooms to go was completed that panhandle will be open 01:59:09.729 --> 01:59:11.239 from the I-35 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:16.279 service road over to Heritage Trail? Sometimes right around 01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:16.800 there yes. 01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:19.939 Okay so we're not gonna wait for other development in those 01:59:19.939 --> 01:59:20.760 other two lots 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:24.329 behind rooms to go before I complete panhandle. Okay that's 01:59:24.329 --> 01:59:25.199 good. That's the goal. 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:31.479 Okay the inner roads that connect town north center the 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:33.439 razor ranch area to 01:59:33.439 --> 01:59:38.000 Heritage Trail and I-35 what are how wide are they are 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:39.640 those just typical to 01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:43.210 two-lane streets? Most of those are two-lane internal 01:59:43.210 --> 01:59:44.880 shopping center we 01:59:44.880 --> 01:59:49.710 call them counter flow roads or ring roads. Okay so traffic 01:59:49.710 --> 01:59:51.119 flow should be minimal 01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:54.689 enough that that those type of roads could handle it? Yes. 01:59:54.689 --> 01:59:56.439 Okay left turn lanes 01:59:56.439 --> 01:59:58.869 are there gonna be left turn lanes? At the entrances and 01:59:58.869 --> 01:59:59.800 exits there's typically 01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:04.159 the extra width they'll widen out at each of the the major 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:05.640 ingress and egress 02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:09.210 access points will have a wider section will accommodate 02:00:09.210 --> 02:00:10.920 turn lanes. Okay but 02:00:10.920 --> 02:00:15.159 where they connect inside the area? Correct not at these 02:00:15.159 --> 02:00:15.600 internal 02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:21.180 locations. Okay so all right great thank you. Commissioner 02:00:21.180 --> 02:00:23.039 Sullivan. Thank you 02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:27.060 Chair. So when you anticipate panhandle going all the way 02:00:27.060 --> 02:00:29.520 to Bonnie Bray any idea 02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:33.090 of what that planning is? I guess my concern is it looks 02:00:33.090 --> 02:00:33.279 like you're 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:37.359 everything is being filtered onto the service road or north 02:00:37.359 --> 02:00:38.640 to University and 02:00:38.640 --> 02:00:45.560 who knows when I-35 is going to get this far north with the 02:00:45.560 --> 02:00:46.319 the widening and so 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:51.039 forth and so what is y'all's anticipated timeline in 02:00:51.039 --> 02:00:53.279 conjunction with I-35 build 02:00:53.279 --> 02:00:58.470 out? I don't think anybody has any idea of when I-35 is 02:00:58.470 --> 02:00:59.319 going to be built out. 02:00:59.319 --> 02:01:04.170 The project does tie into the existing frontage road right 02:01:04.170 --> 02:01:06.119 now so that services 02:01:06.119 --> 02:01:08.279 that side of the project right now as far as the first part 02:01:08.279 --> 02:01:09.000 of your question 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:12.569 this portion of panhandle from Heritage to Bonnie Bray 02:01:12.569 --> 02:01:13.840 would be dependent on the 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:18.800 development on that side whether it be the next development 02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:19.920 of the of that 02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:23.069 project that would be a front adjacent to or fronting that 02:01:23.069 --> 02:01:24.960 road. Because honestly 02:01:24.960 --> 02:01:29.420 I avoid razor ranch because if you've ever get gotten off 02:01:29.420 --> 02:01:31.399 of 35 onto the 02:01:31.399 --> 02:01:36.859 service road to then go to Sands or something it's terrible 02:01:36.859 --> 02:01:38.239 . That light can 02:01:38.239 --> 02:01:42.109 back up you've got a left turn lane right turn everybody's 02:01:42.109 --> 02:01:42.920 coming in and out 02:01:42.920 --> 02:01:47.180 and now you're going to add to that rooms to go a theater 02:01:47.180 --> 02:01:48.520 hotel all these 02:01:48.520 --> 02:01:52.560 other things all dumping onto the same service road for the 02:01:52.560 --> 02:01:54.279 most part and I'm 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:56.960 just concerned there's no way for people to sneak out the 02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.520 back way and avoid the 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:04.699 University service road interchange. I mean I just- We 02:02:04.699 --> 02:02:06.159 would agree that it's a 02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:09.729 very busy intersection. We'd like to see some improvements 02:02:09.729 --> 02:02:11.199 and we'd love to see 02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:13.880 TxDOT accelerate those improvements to widen that and make 02:02:13.880 --> 02:02:14.960 it more efficient. 02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:20.420 As of right now the traffic it is building in phases by the 02:02:20.420 --> 02:02:21.760 build out those 02:02:21.760 --> 02:02:25.810 other connections will certainly be made but based on the 02:02:25.810 --> 02:02:26.960 traffic and the 02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:30.760 circulation now that this portion of the frontage road 02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:32.079 would be servicing the 02:02:32.079 --> 02:02:35.659 south part as you mentioned the frontage road from our 02:02:35.659 --> 02:02:36.960 experience isn't really 02:02:36.960 --> 02:02:39.359 the backup it's the freeway and the intersection up at 02:02:39.359 --> 02:02:41.319 University so you 02:02:41.319 --> 02:02:45.529 know we could widen the frontage road but the bottleneck is 02:02:45.529 --> 02:02:46.640 typically up at 02:02:46.640 --> 02:02:49.399 the intersection of the freeway and we don't have any 02:02:49.399 --> 02:02:51.159 control over that. Right so 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:53.939 there's no plan y'all don't have any plan of moving 02:02:53.939 --> 02:02:55.760 anything over to Bonnie 02:02:55.760 --> 02:03:02.319 Brake before I-35 build out. Again I don't know when I-35 02:03:02.319 --> 02:03:03.640 is going to be built out. 02:03:03.640 --> 02:03:06.399 It could be built out next year or ten years. What I'm 02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:07.840 saying is this portion of pan 02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:10.619 handle to connect to Bonnie Brake would be built in 02:03:10.619 --> 02:03:11.880 conjunction with the 02:03:11.880 --> 02:03:16.479 development adjacent to it so it could access Bonnie Brake. 02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:20.119 I do have an overall 02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:23.380 exhibit but I don't think I have it with me but you know 02:03:23.380 --> 02:03:24.119 there's there's other 02:03:24.119 --> 02:03:28.399 development opportunities between Heritage and Bonnie Brake 02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:29.199 so those come 02:03:29.199 --> 02:03:31.600 online and those that traffic's generated that's when it 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:32.000 would be 02:03:32.000 --> 02:03:36.020 connected to Bonnie Brake. Yeah okay thank you. One more 02:03:36.020 --> 02:03:37.399 question Commissioner Beck. 02:03:37.399 --> 02:03:40.970 Thank you Chair. Heritage Trail isn't that fully functional 02:03:40.970 --> 02:03:42.039 now and when pan 02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:46.470 handle gets moved to that area wouldn't a means of egress 02:03:46.470 --> 02:03:48.319 be up Heritage 02:03:48.319 --> 02:03:51.890 Trail to University? Sure could be. Okay but isn't it fully 02:03:51.890 --> 02:03:53.359 functional? No what's 02:03:53.359 --> 02:03:56.550 open and operating today is the yellow. Just the yellow. 02:03:56.550 --> 02:03:57.079 What's under 02:03:57.079 --> 02:04:02.000 construction now is the blue and then with this current 02:04:02.000 --> 02:04:03.279 application and then 02:04:03.279 --> 02:04:06.619 the requisite or corresponding infrastructure we'd be 02:04:06.619 --> 02:04:07.479 opening up pink. 02:04:07.479 --> 02:04:11.050 I thought it was a little bit more further along that but 02:04:11.050 --> 02:04:11.600 thank you. 02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:15.170 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. Just want to clarify 02:04:15.170 --> 02:04:16.479 that dark purple those 02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:21.699 two future phase connectors do you own the property 02:04:21.699 --> 02:04:24.000 adjacent to those? The 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:28.210 shopping center owner entity that I represent is only this 02:04:28.210 --> 02:04:30.039 130 acres the 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:32.850 other is the original razor ranch developer Legion's Hill 02:04:32.850 --> 02:04:33.960 view and then 02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:37.529 just for again proximity location this is where that Cook's 02:04:37.529 --> 02:04:38.560 Children's so Cook's 02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:42.420 Children's owns that corner down there but they're fronting 02:04:42.420 --> 02:04:43.239 on scripture right 02:04:43.239 --> 02:04:47.289 now. Right so so you really wouldn't have much control of 02:04:47.289 --> 02:04:48.680 the allegiance Hillview 02:04:48.680 --> 02:04:51.359 portion of the street development or are you in charge of 02:04:51.359 --> 02:04:52.359 the street development? 02:04:52.359 --> 02:04:56.079 I wouldn't say I'm in charge but we partner we are partners 02:04:56.079 --> 02:04:56.920 on the project 02:04:56.920 --> 02:05:02.920 so we would work together on that. Thank you. Commissioner 02:05:02.920 --> 02:05:05.600 Hedgpeth. Briefly when 02:05:05.600 --> 02:05:10.590 did you say In-N-Out is opening? Well you know you'd have 02:05:10.590 --> 02:05:12.479 to ask them. Yes. 02:05:12.479 --> 02:05:15.460 We've been told it was January and now it's middle of 02:05:15.460 --> 02:05:16.960 January so they're still 02:05:16.960 --> 02:05:21.319 working out there. It should be soon. Great. That's a time 02:05:21.319 --> 02:05:22.640 frame. Thank you. 02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:32.180 Sorry I can't give you a date. Any other questions? Thank 02:05:32.180 --> 02:05:33.680 you. 02:05:41.760 --> 02:05:45.970 I think we're back on item C and we've had our presentation 02:05:45.970 --> 02:05:47.520 and looks like I 02:05:47.520 --> 02:05:53.500 have a motion. Commissioner Hedgpeth. Move approval of SP 02:05:53.500 --> 02:05:57.119 16-0016. Commissioner Beck. 02:05:57.119 --> 02:06:01.039 Okay. We have a first and a second for approval. Any 02:06:01.039 --> 02:06:07.000 discussion? Seeing none I'll 02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:20.640 call for a vote on board. Motion carries six to zero. We'll 02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:26.199 move us to item D. SP 16-0022 02:06:26.199 --> 02:06:31.029 and I will call on Muzzei for presentation of this item as 02:06:31.029 --> 02:06:31.800 well. 02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:36.920 Good evening I'm Muzzei Braz, associate planner with the 02:06:36.920 --> 02:06:38.800 City of Den. This is a 02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:42.600 site plan for movie theater in the Razor Range development. 02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:44.920 It is generally 02:06:44.920 --> 02:06:51.750 located in the Razor Range RR1 district of Razor Range Town 02:06:51.750 --> 02:06:53.680 Center. They're 02:06:53.680 --> 02:07:00.840 north of the east of I-35 and south of West University. The 02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:01.479 request is for 02:07:01.479 --> 02:07:04.720 approval of site plan for movie theater development in the 02:07:04.720 --> 02:07:05.239 Razor Range 02:07:05.239 --> 02:07:10.960 development and this is the site plan and if you have any 02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:12.840 questions I'll stand 02:07:12.840 --> 02:07:22.119 for any questions if you have. Any questions for staff? 02:07:22.119 --> 02:07:28.239 Seeing none thank you. Again this is an 02:07:28.239 --> 02:07:31.050 individual consideration item so if there's anyone like to 02:07:31.050 --> 02:07:31.739 speak on this 02:07:31.739 --> 02:07:36.569 item please come forward at this time and fill out a card 02:07:36.569 --> 02:07:38.079 and that unless 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:42.760 there I will open the floor for discussion or motion. 02:07:42.760 --> 02:07:46.079 Commissioner Beck. 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:55.300 SP 16-0022 thank you. I move we approve SP 16-0022. Okay I 02:07:55.300 --> 02:07:58.359 have a motion for approval. Commissioner 02:07:58.359 --> 02:08:05.909 Taylor. Second. Okay we have a first and a second and any 02:08:05.909 --> 02:08:06.720 discussion? Commissioner 02:08:06.720 --> 02:08:09.960 Taylor. Thank you chair. I was confused for a second. If 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:11.000 that was a button and 02:08:11.000 --> 02:08:17.609 error I apologize. I just wanted to point out that in our 02:08:17.609 --> 02:08:18.520 backup we have a hardscape 02:08:18.520 --> 02:08:22.090 plan which is the pavilion areas and this is one of the 02:08:22.090 --> 02:08:23.119 things that was 02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:26.689 promised and appealing about the Razor Ranch development 02:08:26.689 --> 02:08:27.960 was the south side town 02:08:27.960 --> 02:08:31.550 center was going to have you know open kind of walking 02:08:31.550 --> 02:08:33.720 spaces, plaza, you know 02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:39.329 mixed kind of seating outside and this is the first there 02:08:39.329 --> 02:08:40.119 was a very small 02:08:40.119 --> 02:08:44.380 amount of plaza space on the Winko like extremely small and 02:08:44.380 --> 02:08:45.880 the Alamo draft 02:08:45.880 --> 02:08:50.090 house as it as it's labeled here has some really nice 02:08:50.090 --> 02:08:52.039 outdoor plaza area and 02:08:52.039 --> 02:08:55.270 of course this is the beginning of just on the south edge 02:08:55.270 --> 02:08:56.359 of the Razor town 02:08:56.359 --> 02:09:00.630 center area that and I look forward to all of the future pl 02:09:00.630 --> 02:09:02.399 aza space in the 02:09:02.399 --> 02:09:05.350 center of the town center but I just thought I'd like to 02:09:05.350 --> 02:09:06.239 point that out on the 02:09:06.239 --> 02:09:09.399 backup the hardscape plan is is really nice looking and I 02:09:09.399 --> 02:09:10.560 think it bodes well 02:09:10.560 --> 02:09:16.819 for the total project. I'll echo your commentary because 02:09:16.819 --> 02:09:17.920 yes being on the 02:09:17.920 --> 02:09:21.489 Commission a long time too we've had a number of these come 02:09:21.489 --> 02:09:22.520 before us and it's 02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:26.090 exciting now to see this development moving forward and 02:09:26.090 --> 02:09:26.520 some of the things 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:29.310 we've been looking forward to actually getting ready to to 02:09:29.310 --> 02:09:30.239 take place so with 02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:35.100 that I'll be supporting this approval of this item and I 02:09:35.100 --> 02:09:37.000 will call for any other 02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:41.220 discussion or comments before I call for a vote on the 02:09:41.220 --> 02:09:44.760 board. Seeing none call for 02:09:44.760 --> 02:09:47.319 a vote on the board. 02:09:51.720 --> 02:09:58.119 Motion carries six to zero. That will move us to our public 02:09:58.119 --> 02:09:59.880 hearings section of 02:09:59.880 --> 02:10:02.800 our agenda this evening. At this time I'm going to open the 02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:05.079 public hearing for Z16-0026 02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:12.079 and I will call on Julie Wyatt for presentation. 02:10:21.760 --> 02:10:28.739 All right this is Z16-26 Zimmer, Kubota and Equipment. I'm 02:10:28.739 --> 02:10:30.560 Julie Wyatt senior 02:10:30.560 --> 02:10:34.340 planner with the City of Denton and just a summary of what 02:10:34.340 --> 02:10:35.680 what you're considering 02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:41.140 tonight. The property is located west of I-35 with 02:10:41.140 --> 02:10:43.800 substantial frontage on I-35. 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:47.800 It's approximately eight acres and they're proposing to re 02:10:47.800 --> 02:10:49.039 zone from RCCN to 02:10:49.039 --> 02:10:52.840 RCCD and based upon the criteria for approval in the Denton 02:10:52.840 --> 02:10:53.479 Development Code 02:10:53.479 --> 02:10:56.159 and staff's analysis we do recommend approval of the 02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:57.760 request. I'll be happy to 02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:00.800 go through the presentation if you'd like if you'd like 02:11:00.800 --> 02:11:02.119 some further discussion 02:11:02.119 --> 02:11:11.279 and I'll stand for any questions. Any questions for staff? 02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:16.960 Thank You Julie. 02:11:19.079 --> 02:11:21.710 Is the applicant here would like to speak and present their 02:11:21.710 --> 02:11:23.840 project? A comment? 02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:27.439 Okay again this is a public hearing so anyone here that 02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:28.960 would like to speak on 02:11:28.960 --> 02:11:34.140 this item please come forward at this time. Seeing none I 02:11:34.140 --> 02:11:36.039 'll close the public 02:11:36.039 --> 02:11:41.899 hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 02:11:41.899 --> 02:11:43.479 Commissioner 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:43.479 Husband. Is it okay I was waiting till you closed and I 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:48.239 hope I didn't wait too 02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:52.939 late. Can I ask the question of the applicant? Sure. Yeah 02:11:52.939 --> 02:11:54.039 if you could please 02:11:54.039 --> 02:12:02.649 just one quick question. When you get to the mic please 02:12:02.649 --> 02:12:03.680 give us your name and 02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:08.279 address please. Good evening my name is James Conley and I 02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:09.479 represent ICON and 02:12:09.479 --> 02:12:14.649 Zimmer Corboda in Sanger Texas 1405 West Chapman. Okay 02:12:14.649 --> 02:12:16.359 thank you sir. So real quick 02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:21.020 and it's a little out of the box but it's Corboda are they 02:12:21.020 --> 02:12:22.239 relocating their 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:26.130 corporate offices to Great Vine is that right to the Great 02:12:26.130 --> 02:12:27.560 Vine area or a 02:12:27.560 --> 02:12:30.840 corporate office? I believe based on my knowledge their 02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:31.600 existing corporate 02:12:31.600 --> 02:12:34.100 offices in Fort Worth and I do not have any knowledge that 02:12:34.100 --> 02:12:35.079 they're moving that. 02:12:35.079 --> 02:12:39.029 Okay. This project strictly pertains to their existing site 02:12:39.029 --> 02:12:40.000 over on the east 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:43.569 side of Luke 288 moving to this site. That's the plan. Okay 02:12:43.569 --> 02:12:44.199 that was gonna be 02:12:44.199 --> 02:12:48.600 my next question. All right thank you. Any other questions 02:12:48.600 --> 02:12:50.239 for the applicant? 02:12:50.239 --> 02:12:54.520 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. So be closing the site 02:12:54.520 --> 02:12:55.640 off the loop and 02:12:55.640 --> 02:12:59.979 moving to this site is that the plan or adding this to? As 02:12:59.979 --> 02:13:01.680 far as the information 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:04.529 I have from the client is that this would be their new site 02:13:04.529 --> 02:13:05.279 and I believe 02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:09.010 they would be looking at possibly keeping both sites but I 02:13:09.010 --> 02:13:09.560 have no 02:13:09.560 --> 02:13:14.430 information that they would close for sure the existing 288 02:13:14.430 --> 02:13:17.439 site. Any other 02:13:17.439 --> 02:13:25.399 question for the applicant? Thank you sir. 02:13:30.960 --> 02:13:35.220 This public hearings closed so we're in for discussion or 02:13:35.220 --> 02:13:37.760 emotion. Commissioner 02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:44.079 Hussman. Move approval of Z 16-0026. Commissioner Beck. 02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:45.279 Second. Okay. 02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:51.529 We have a first and second for approval. Any comments or 02:13:51.529 --> 02:13:56.720 discussion? Seeing none 02:13:56.720 --> 02:14:06.800 I'll close or I'll call for a vote on the board. Sorry. 02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:11.119 Motion carries 6-0. 02:14:11.800 --> 02:14:17.380 Again for the record our item B has been withdrawn and that 02:14:17.380 --> 02:14:19.199 moves us to our final 02:14:19.199 --> 02:14:23.199 item this evening our project matrix and so I'll open it up 02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:24.859 for items to be added 02:14:24.859 --> 02:14:34.640 to our project matrix. Nothing? The only one I'll bring up 02:14:34.640 --> 02:14:35.760 then is I know we've 02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:39.390 got a number of items that have been on there in regards to 02:14:39.390 --> 02:14:40.560 some of the updates 02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:46.279 that I've asked in regards to I believe Mayhill I think, 02:14:46.279 --> 02:14:48.960 Ryan Road and I have yet 02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:51.539 to see any of that I think it was just going to be like a 02:14:51.539 --> 02:14:52.520 one-page summary I 02:14:52.520 --> 02:14:56.729 don't know where those stand and when those may be forth 02:14:56.729 --> 02:14:57.359 coming. 02:14:57.840 --> 02:15:04.760 Got them? Great. Okay. If no one else has any other items 02:15:04.760 --> 02:15:07.479 then I'm going to close our 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:12.479 meeting this evening at 720. Thank you everyone.