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for January 11th 2017. This meeting has been duly posted

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and we have a quorum

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present and I'm gonna call our work session to order at 435

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. Our first order

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of business is going to be to receive a presentation by

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Clarion Associates and I

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will turn it over to Shondria for introductions on that.

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Thank you. I'd like

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to invite Tyrick Wi-Fi and Matt Goble from Clarion Associ

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ates up to the podium.

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They are working with us on the DIN development code

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rewrite project which

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was initially started in 2013 actually. Over the course of

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years the project has somewhat stalled out but we are reign

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iting that and

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hopefully gonna complete it and get a code that we can

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actually use and help

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implement our comprehensive plan and other initiatives that

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we have as a

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city. So I invite Matt up. All set? All right thank you Sh

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andrian. Hello

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Commission members it's good to be here. Again my name is

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Matt Goble from Clarion

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Associates. I recognize I think a couple of your faces but

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several new faces as

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well. So thank you for the opportunity to present this

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afternoon. We are very

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excited to kind of re-kick this project off and I want to

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tell you a little bit

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in this presentation about just remind you who we are and

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what we do and what

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the scope of the project is going to be. You're going to be

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seeing us many times

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over the next year and a half or so but wanted to give you

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a good introduction

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today. I will kick it off with an agenda slide and just

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walk you

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through what we would like to cover. I'm going to cover

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about the first half of

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the presentation and my colleague Tarik is going to cover

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about the second half.

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We're going to give you introductions first of all remind

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you about who

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Clarion is and the nature of our work generally. Then we're

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going to talk about

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the specific scope of work that we have for Benton and

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exactly what we're going

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to be doing with the city over the next year and a year and

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a half or so. Then

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we're going to be reminding you a little bit about some of

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the work that we have

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already done. When we kicked this project off initially we

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had a good set of

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interviews with a lot of stakeholders in the community to

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find out issues that

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were involved in land use and zoning in Denton. Things

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about the Denton

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Development Code that needed to be improved. So we're going

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to remind you

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about some of those issues that we identified early on but

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also some new

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issues that you've identified since then especially

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relating to the adoption of

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the new plan. Then we'll talk about finally just kind of

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next steps and

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discussion and I think we have plenty of time for Q&A. So

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that's our roadmap for

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where we're going and let me just jump right in. Okay

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thanks. So very briefly on

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background. Clarion Associates we're based in Denver. Tarek

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and I live up in

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Denver. We're a national consulting firm but we're actually

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fairly small. We've

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got about ten folks in Denver. We have about ten folks in

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Carolina as well. We roughly work on the western side of

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the country. They roughly

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work on the eastern side of the country. We have done, we

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work primarily on plan

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implementation. My actual training is as an attorney and

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also a planner and we

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have a lot of folks with that combination in the office and

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focus on plan implementation. Really understanding the

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legal issues involved

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in bringing plans to life and making them enforceable. We

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multidisciplinary firm as it's shown here. We really focus

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on trying to make all of

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our projects innovative and user-friendly. We have done a

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lot of work

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in Texas actually. I grew up in Dallas. I went to school

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down in Austin, UT. We, I

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love coming back to Texas and we've worked in a number of

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Arlington, Austin, San Antonio is not there but we've

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worked there as well. So

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we know the state well. I'm joined by my colleague Tarek, T

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as well and so you'll be hearing from him in the second

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presentation. That's a very fast introduction but let's

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just walk now

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into the scope of the work and remind you kind of what the

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project

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involves. You've seen some of this material before but it's

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very, it's always

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good to start with the beginning. Start with the project

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goals. Make a dent in

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development code that is, that is clearer and easier to use

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. That is really just

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kind of goal number one for the overall project. There's

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some good material in

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the existing dent in development code. A lot of thoughtful

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people over the years

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have contributed some very good thinking to that but it's

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become, you know, what

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you see in many communities over time. It's kind of a

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know, you've got just, it's been piecemeal amended in

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different ways. You've got a

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pretty unwieldy structure. You've got 30 plus chapters

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dealing with different

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discrete topics and we heard from the staff, we heard from

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the development

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community that it's challenging to use and so cleaning it

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up is a first goal of

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ours. Making sure that the process as we rewrite the code

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is open and inclusive

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and that we hear from the neighborhoods, we hear from the

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development community,

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we hear from the staff, making sure that everyone has a

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voice in the development

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of the new documents. Respecting Denton's past efforts and

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decisions, you know, we

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don't need to reinvent the wheel on a lot of these things.

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good thinking, as I've said, but we need to make sure that

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we build on the strong

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work that's already been done and then think pragmatically,

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you know, focus on

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solutions that work. That's always important for the work

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that we do.

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of work. It is very

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broadly divided into three tasks. We are kicking off the

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project, kind of re-kicking

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off the project again today with task one, which is

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involving a series of

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kickoff meetings like this one, like a meeting that we'll

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staff. We're going to be doing that over the next couple of

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days and then

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following up with Shandrin and Manal over the next couple

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of weeks, but then

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we are immediately going to jump right into the drafting

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process and the

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drafting of the new Denton development code will take the

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bulk of the project.

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some adoption steps as well. Let me get into some more

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detail on each of those

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tasks. The project initiation involves these kickoff

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meetings. So we're meeting

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with you all, with the Planning and Zoning Commission,

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because the P&Z is

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always a key stakeholder for an update of a development

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code and your feedback is

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really crucial as we move through a project like this. We

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with you today hearing about your issues and your

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priorities for this project.

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of the meeting.

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some new faces around

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the staff table since we initially kicked off the project.

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meeting with all the groups that are represented on the

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Committee tomorrow morning to find out about kind of what's

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projects that are underway

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that will influence the drafting of the new code? We'll be

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identifies the different groups and the different

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opportunities that we have to

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reach out to the community to find out, you know, from the

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development community,

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from the neighborhoods, what they would like to see in the

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development code.

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staff. And then we're doing our homework as well as part of

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as I've said, new draft pending ordinances that we have to

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come up to speed on,

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all those types of things will help inform the work that we

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The drafting, I think the prior slide said March, but it's

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start almost immediately in January. And this is a complex

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intended to show that we are going to break the drafting

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administration and procedures. So this is, for example,

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where we would

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codify that new site plan procedure that has been drafted

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informally and it's

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now being put into practice, but it needs to be put into

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the new development code.

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into, uses allowed within the districts. And then finally,

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standards, everything that affects the quality of

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parking standards, building design standards, landscaping,

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process where we first of all do the drafting. We produce a

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draft based on our work with them into a public review

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draft that then becomes

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available for public meetings. And then Tarek and I will be

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meetings in Denton on each one of these drafts sequentially

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spring and then moving right through towards the end of the

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of the year that

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incorporates feedback on everything that we've heard so far

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we'll get feedback on that and we'll fold it into the

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consolidated draft at the end

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which is going to go through an additional round of

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round of opportunities for public input. So there's going

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the apple in terms of hearing from the public comments

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beginning of the new

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year when we have a full adoption draft that's already been

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reviewed by you all

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through each of the individual modules. Hopefully at that

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point, there's no

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surprises. You've seen everything once. We've gotten all

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the big issues out.

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We like to have detailed conversations as we go along so

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that the adoption

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process is no surprises, slow and easy. There's going to be

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a good executive

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summary that explains exactly kind of how this is different

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from the existing

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development code and how, you know, what the changes are,

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big and small.

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programmed in to explain the

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document to the public, to explain the document to groups

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within Denton about

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how it's different from the current development code. We're

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going to, you

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know, process all the feedback that we get at those

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meetings, turn around a

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final Denton development code, and then we'll be producing

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a series of

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PowerPoints and other presentation materials that will live

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on, that will

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help explain, you can put those on the city's website, they

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'll help explain how

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the document is different from what you've got now and the

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key points of the

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document. So a lot of moving parts there, but we do this

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all the time and it's

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manageable and it is a relatively aggressive schedule, but

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you know, we can

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tell there's a lot of energy, there's a lot of momentum to

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move quickly now, so

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we're excited to get the train moving. That is a big

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summary of the process and

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what we wanted to do now is pivot and talk about the

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substance and talk

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about the key issues that we're going to be focusing on in

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the project. So with

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that I'll turn it to Tarik. Thank you so much. Chairman,

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members of the commission, glad

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to be here. We really love writing zoning code and so you

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can judge us for that or

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thank us for that, but it's a special place to be for us

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and finally re-kicking

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off the project. I want to put a big caveat out there with

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my first slide.

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This report is from 2013, so when we first came out and

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talked to those

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stakeholders, we met with staff, we met with appointed and

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elected officials, and

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we heard a lot about not only what's not working with the D

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DC, but also what is

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working okay with the development code. So things have

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changed over time and we

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have seen in our initial drive around town today that a lot

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has changed in

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terms of development. So this is a perfect time to look

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back at this report

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and if you have not spent time with this assessment report,

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that's a great foray

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into this project as well as your review of the scope of

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work just to say, you

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know, what issues did they identify in 2013 and how, what

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have we left out for

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one? We can talk about that tonight as well. Yes.

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Commissioner Beck. Thank you

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Chair. Is this on our website? We can access this on our

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website? This 2013 assessment report? It is not, but we can

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get you a copy. Okay, okay, thank you.

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So I'm gonna highlight the three major themes that we

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identified in that report

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with a little more detail on each one of those themes and

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then talk about a

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couple of the new issues that have come up over the past

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few weeks. So first of

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all, create a more user-friendly code. The current DDC is

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cumbersome to say the

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least. We heard that over and over, not just from citizens

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and staff, but from

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the development community as well. Even people that use it

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on a daily basis

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struggle with its lack of user friendliness. The review

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procedures are a

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challenge. So what does it take to currently get a project

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approved and

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Denton is a major issue that needs to be addressed and

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staff has gone a long way

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over the past year making those changes, but I want to

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again highlight some of

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the things we included in the report. And then tailoring

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the standards

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for infill and redevelopment. For a community like Denton,

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you do have some

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room for growth, but a lot of your growth is going to

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happen interior. It's going to

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happen within areas that are redeveloping and those lots

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that have been vacant for

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some time and are now starting to churn up activity and the

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market is responding.

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So we want to capture that in the code rewrite. So let's go

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into each of those

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three major themes with a little more detail. User-friendly

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code. First of all,

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just reorganize the development regulations. Staff has

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identified already

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a new table of contents that could restructure the current

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chapters. I think

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right now you have, I want to say right around 30 sub

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chapters in your

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development code. Maybe it's more, maybe it's slightly less

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and we want to get

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that down substantially to around 15 or so and maybe even

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fewer than that so

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that it's very clear when you look at the table of contents

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where you can find a

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provision for say landscaping. If I'm looking for how tall

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I can build a

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building, I'm going to know right away by looking at that

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organizational structure.

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More illustrations and graphics. This is something that we

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have really ramped up

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in the past three or four years at our firm by getting some

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folks on board that

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really understand how we can communicate very complex ordin

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ances in an image and

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through a table. So we like to use those as frequently as

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possible. It really

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helps explain some of the text. And then another major

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issue with your code

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currently and back in 2013 was that there's a lot of

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internal inconsistencies.

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You've got some ordinances pre 2002 before the code was

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last overhauled that

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are still standing and whether or not those standards

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should be repealed or how

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they interact with standards that have been updated since

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that time. There you

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have these criteria manuals that have regulations and

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policy and construction

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standards in some cases. We want to make sure the

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development code is consistent

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with those separate documents and even better we want to

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say it one time and

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then cross-reference that other document so that in the

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future we're not creating

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additional inconsistencies. The next major theme was stream

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lining the

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development review procedures. We heard a lot again from

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Denton

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stakeholders that it was a problem. So improving the

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efficiency of the review

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process. You all have implemented a new site plan review

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process. That's great

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and I'm going to talk a little bit more about that on the

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next slide. Establishing

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common review procedures. Right now you have a lot of

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different procedures for

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subdivision, for how you approve development permits, and

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if you if you

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have a process for pre-application meetings or for submitt

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al requirements or

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for approval criteria. You don't have to list it each with

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each procedure. You say

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it once at the beginning of the procedures chapter,

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identify what that

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standard is, and then you just cross-reference it each time

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you're going

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to a specific application type. So we plan to implement

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that in the update.

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Improving customer service. This was something we heard in

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2013. I think you

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have made a lot of improvements already. I'd like to hear

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more about that.

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As we're re-kicking off the project, what kind of changes

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could be made? And this

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was kind of a side issue that runs along the same track as

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a zoning code or a

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development code, but something that was highlighted in

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that report. And then

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considering organizational improvements to minimize the ine

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fficiencies. So who

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shows up to these really important site plan review

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meetings? Who needs to be in

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the room to answer the questions once so that your

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customers are not continually

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poking and prodding trying to find the right answer? And a

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lot of that can be

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solved just by a clearer, better organized code because

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they can find the

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information themselves. Here's a quick image thanks to Sh

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andri and actually who

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provided this to us. There's been a couple of changes

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recently implemented.

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So you've clearly identified what different types of

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development, what is

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the general type of development process in Denton ranging

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from pre-development

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meetings, you know, what are going, let's highlight the

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issues upfront before we

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submit an application. There's zoning and rezoning

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applications. There's

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planning issues when you're creating new lots. And then

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site development. This is

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the new one. So how do we address specific site plan issues

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and relate

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those back to landscaping, parking, signage, all of those

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unique development

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standards to a specific site? And then building permanent

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certificate of

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occupancy. You're starting to outline a streamlined process

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for Denton. We want

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to make sure we capture that in the first module of the

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code. And then for

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each site, and this gets into what I was saying about

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standardizing the common

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review procedures, this bottom rung here, pre-development,

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submitting your

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project to the city, the director checking to make sure

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that that

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application is complete. You're starting to develop this

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and we can write more

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narrative for each of these that make it very clear upfront

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to a developer or a

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citizen. What does it take to get a project approved in

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Denton? So that will

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take you a long way. The final theme was to really, really

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think hard about infill

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and redevelopment. We still really need to do that. You've

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got an infill special

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purpose district that needs to be revised, maybe

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substantially, and we're

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still going to do that. We want to identify barriers,

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however, throughout the

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code. There are landscaping standards and parking standards

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that can act as

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barriers to redevelopment. If you're requiring so much of

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your development

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community on a site that has been really challenging for

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various reasons, there

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might be room for flexibility in certain cases. We don't

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know what those are

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specifically yet, but it's something we're going to be

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exploring in greater

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detail as we redraft the development standards. So we want

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quality

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development in Denton. Denton wants to raise the bar for

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quality development, but

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not at the expense of offering those redevelopment and inf

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ill opportunities,

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because economic development is really important to you all

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. So we're going to

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capture that. So that's what the assessment report in 2013

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said. I want to

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move into just two quick issues that have come up since

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that time. You've

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adopted a new comprehensive plan, so good job. I know that

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's a quite a process in

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and of itself. I think that was just getting underway last

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time we were

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involved. Ron is now involved with implementing that, and

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he's going to be

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great because we worked with Ron initially on this project,

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and now he can

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help us make those linkages to the zoning code update, to

537
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the new DDC, really

538
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tell us how those policies were developed, how these

539
00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:03,319
strategies could best

540
00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:07,059
be applied through the new DDC. One of them, through the

541
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future land use map.

542
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,569
Denton has identified areas that are important through

543
00:21:11,569 --> 00:21:12,839
compact development

544
00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:16,690
areas, through special centers like the Denton Square, like

545
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the University, and

546
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through corridors like University in Carroll. You know,

547
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these places were

548
00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:26,630
identified through that planning process that said, yeah

549
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:28,000
these are special areas

550
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,569
for one reason or another, so as we're drafting zoning

551
00:21:31,569 --> 00:21:32,640
regulations, we need to

552
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,779
pay attention to that, and this is one area where those

553
00:21:35,779 --> 00:21:36,319
development

554
00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:39,910
standards might differ depending on where you are in the

555
00:21:39,910 --> 00:21:41,400
city, rather than

556
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,190
having a one-size-fits-all approach. There are several

557
00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:45,359
planned themes that we

558
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,930
will also consider through the drafting process. I've

559
00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:50,480
highlighted four of them

560
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,440
here, sustainability. It's a big deal across the country.

561
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,559
Things like urban

562
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:58,799
agriculture, things like efficient building, just getting

563
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,480
more people to

564
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,210
walk and ride their bikes and take transit. We can look at

565
00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:05,079
all of those

566
00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:08,220
things through a zoning lens and make some great changes.

567
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:09,480
Community health. Do

568
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,160
your mixed-use areas really promote the walkability that

569
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,160
you're going for, and a

570
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secondary impact of that is really improving the health of

571
00:22:17,099 --> 00:22:18,039
the community.

572
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Community character. Do you have design standards in place

573
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that really protect

574
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the character that Denton has enjoyed and that you want to

575
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see moving forward?

576
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And then finally mobility. How are people moving around

577
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internally on a site? How

578
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,910
are they moving around from site to site? How are they

579
00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:38,200
moving around across the

580
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,930
city? All of which can be addressed through the new zoning

581
00:22:42,930 --> 00:22:45,640
code. So Matt, I

582
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,109
think actually you were going to talk about the

583
00:22:48,109 --> 00:22:49,640
organization and then wrap

584
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this up and open it up for questions. Thanks. Thanks, Tarek

585
00:22:55,569 --> 00:22:56,720
. Yeah, and this is

586
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,890
just a cleanup slide. We just wanted to give you a little

587
00:22:59,890 --> 00:23:00,519
bit more of an

588
00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,359
illustration about how we can accomplish big things in

589
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,559
terms of making a more

590
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,890
user-friendly code. This is your current GDC organization.

591
00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:11,039
24 subchapters, I think

592
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,579
they're called. Very, you know, kind of specific in terms

593
00:23:15,579 --> 00:23:16,640
of the way the

594
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,359
different topics are identified. You've got things that

595
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,559
move from group homes to

596
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:22,890
manufactured homes to sexually oriented businesses to non-

597
00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:24,200
conforming uses. It's

598
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,599
hard to see the overall rhyme or reason there, and we just

599
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:27,440
wanted to make the

600
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,609
point that there are many cleaner opportunities to rest

601
00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:31,799
ructure the code.

602
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:34,599
One that has already been identified by staff is an example

603
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:35,640
from Texas. They like

604
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,859
the Pflugerville code, the Pflugerville Unified Development

605
00:23:38,859 --> 00:23:41,440
Code, UDC, and that

606
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,009
structure is illustrated here, and you can see it's tighter

607
00:23:45,009 --> 00:23:45,559
. You know, there's

608
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:49,359
only 13 versus 24, and they've got all the administration

609
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:49,880
and procedures

610
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,680
consolidated. They've got all the districts consolidated.

611
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,000
So we're going to

612
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,279
be moving down this road with the staff. We can potentially

613
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:57,359
consolidate this even

614
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,930
more, but the big point is that there are more logical ways

615
00:24:00,930 --> 00:24:01,880
to group-like

616
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,569
information, so it's an easier document for all members in

617
00:24:04,569 --> 00:24:05,559
the communities to

618
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,480
use. So we just wanted to finish off with just that brief

619
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
example. That's the bulk

620
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,670
of our presentation. A couple of notes on next steps. We

621
00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:16,240
are, as I said at the

622
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beginning, just kicking off the project today, so we're

623
00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:20,559
excited to be back. We're

624
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,740
going to be working with Shandrina Manal to develop a

625
00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:23,960
detailed project calendar

626
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,349
immediately that's going to lay out some specific

627
00:24:26,349 --> 00:24:27,599
milestones for all those

628
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,710
different drafting pieces that I mentioned at the beginning

629
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:31,000
of the

630
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,730
project. We're going to then start the drafting process,

631
00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:34,759
and it's going to start

632
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:38,369
immediately working on all the three of those modules that

633
00:24:38,369 --> 00:24:39,119
I mentioned.

634
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,089
Administration, a lot of work has already been done on that

635
00:24:42,089 --> 00:24:42,839
piece, and so

636
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,970
that's why it said staff was taking the lead on that. We're

637
00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:45,720
going to be kind of

638
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,289
advising them, but staff's going to take the lead on

639
00:24:49,289 --> 00:24:50,279
finishing that piece

640
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:53,000
off because so much work has already been done internally.

641
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,839
Tarek and I are

642
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:55,829
really going to focus on the next two, districts and uses

643
00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:56,519
and development

644
00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:59,240
standards. We're going to be implementing that public

645
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,480
outreach strategy. So we're

646
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,049
already going to be talking with folks in the city

647
00:25:04,049 --> 00:25:04,680
administration about

648
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,509
groups, about stakeholders that we should be reaching out

649
00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:10,359
to to help kind of

650
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,730
spread the word about this project. And then just to remind

651
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:14,539
you about the

652
00:25:14,539 --> 00:25:17,720
schedule, we're anticipating a full consolidated draft code

653
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,359
by the end of

654
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,859
this year, and then adoption and fine-tuning would happen

655
00:25:20,859 --> 00:25:21,440
in the spring

656
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,839
of the following year. So that's a whirlwind overview of

657
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:26,759
this project, and

658
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,900
we now want to hear from you all about discussions and

659
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,799
questions. And just keep

660
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:36,369
in mind, you know, as you're thinking about questions, this

661
00:25:36,369 --> 00:25:37,160
originally did

662
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,049
start several years ago as a very targeted effort, and that

663
00:25:40,049 --> 00:25:40,920
's why we focused

664
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,880
on targeted issues today. We focused on administration, we

665
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,319
focused on infill, we

666
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:53,880
focused on the user-friendly piece, sorry, just because

667
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,619
that's what

668
00:25:54,619 --> 00:25:57,589
that was the targeted scope that we had initially. But now

669
00:25:57,589 --> 00:25:58,240
the cities come

670
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,279
back and said the sky's the limit, you know, we'd like to

671
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:01,400
update

672
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,230
the whole thing soup to nuts. We have a new comprehensive

673
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:05,319
plan in place. We need

674
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,299
to go back and rethink more broadly. So we'd like to hear

675
00:26:08,299 --> 00:26:09,160
from you all just

676
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,440
what your priorities are, maybe things that just haven't

677
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,359
been talked about on

678
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,819
these slides at all. So this is really an opportunity just

679
00:26:15,819 --> 00:26:16,920
to to tell us what

680
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,099
you'd like to see happen in this project, what your

681
00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:20,640
substantive goals are for

682
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,210
improving the development code. Questions also just about

683
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:25,559
the scope and just kind

684
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,930
of how we work through our process. So we'd like to hear

685
00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:28,920
from you all about all

686
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,750
of those types of things. And I think that's it. So thanks

687
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:35,599
for your attention.

688
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:39,599
Any questions for the presenters? Commissioner Sullivan.

689
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:41,039
Yes, I'm curious. I'm

690
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,920
one of the new people on the Commission here on the board.

691
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,720
What caused the non

692
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,720
action? You said you started in 2013, this is 2017. What's

693
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,240
the what happened in

694
00:26:53,240 --> 00:27:02,240
between? I'm just curious. So in the interim we had several

695
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,440
staff high-level

696
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,960
staff turnover and then some priorities changed. So

697
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,880
basically this had to be a

698
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,450
back burner issue until we could put out the other things

699
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,599
that were going on at

700
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:24,440
the time. Commissioner Beck. Thanks Chair. I'm excited

701
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,480
about this. For one thing, the

702
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,930
current DDC is just a scary monster to me. So your concept

703
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:33,000
of user-friendly, I

704
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,210
love the idea of more graphs, illustrations, and tables. I

705
00:27:37,210 --> 00:27:37,960
'm a visual

706
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:45,250
person. The language, are we talking about layman terms

707
00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:46,279
that the common

708
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,349
average citizen when they go inside and look at this, they

709
00:27:49,349 --> 00:27:50,240
're not, you know, big

710
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,420
question mark coming over their head. It's kind of

711
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:54,799
understand, it's simple

712
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,559
enough to understand without it being technical, too

713
00:27:57,559 --> 00:27:59,240
technical. Very much

714
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,650
Commissioner. Yeah, I think that's a good point. We try to

715
00:28:01,650 --> 00:28:03,559
look for plannerese, you

716
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,279
know, jargon, you know, legalese, and look for ways to say

717
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:07,480
things in plain English. I

718
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,049
think that's an important part of making a code accessible.

719
00:28:11,049 --> 00:28:13,079
Is it conceivable, too,

720
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:17,720
again for my benefit, that we're shrinking this into

721
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,319
something that's

722
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,960
more like a mini me of what we're seeing now or is it gonna

723
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,200
be, is all

724
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,089
the same information gonna be there just in more user-

725
00:28:26,089 --> 00:28:27,319
friendly terms or are we

726
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:31,279
actually, do you see it where we're getting rid of a lot of

727
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,599
waste? I think it's both. I

728
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,750
think we can get rid of a lot of waste and produce a

729
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:36,960
shorter document but it's

730
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,329
still gonna have all the information that you need in a

731
00:28:39,329 --> 00:28:40,559
shorter way. You know, a

732
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,960
good example is just summarizing a lot of long narrative

733
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,599
use lists with tables.

734
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,779
You know, we've already drafted some internal tables of a

735
00:28:49,779 --> 00:28:51,000
new use table for

736
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,359
Denton that consolidates dozens of pages on about four or

737
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,279
five. So through tools

738
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,309
like that, you can just reduce a lot of bulk. Now, I will

739
00:28:59,309 --> 00:29:00,720
also say though that

740
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,289
sometimes to make a code more user-friendly, you have to

741
00:29:04,289 --> 00:29:04,759
make it more

742
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,329
specific and that means defining key terms. One of the

743
00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,480
problems with a lot of

744
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,819
old-school codes is that they just don't define a lot of

745
00:29:12,819 --> 00:29:14,119
key terms and so to make

746
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:16,240
it a better document, a more enforceable document, you need

747
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,200
to add a little text.

748
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,650
You know, you need to add some of those definitions. So I

749
00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:20,440
would say there's

750
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,160
there's a little bit of an, some opposing directions there.

751
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:24,839
We can

752
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:26,740
shrink a lot of stuff but there might be a few things that

753
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:27,680
we need to add back in

754
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,700
to make it more, more manageable. I would say on average,

755
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,240
you know, most of our

756
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,960
codes shrink by at least a third from just the physical

757
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,640
bulk where we start to

758
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,210
where we finish up. Oftentimes it goes much more. That's a

759
00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:42,839
very crude way

760
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,839
to weigh the results of a project but I can tell you our

761
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:49,559
preference is less is

762
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,529
more, shorter, sweeter illustrations. We don't like volumin

763
00:29:53,529 --> 00:29:54,759
ous text. We like

764
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,720
short and sweet.

765
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,759
And just one more thing. This will be accessible to anybody

766
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:02,559
. It'll be on our website eventually.

767
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,130
The ultimate code? Yes. Yes, this will be an ordinance

768
00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:07,079
officially adopted by the

769
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,799
City Council just along with all your other city ordinances

770
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:10,680
that you have. I

771
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,180
don't know who's responsible for how this thing is designed

772
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:14,039
and devised but

773
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,609
would it conceivably have you? We're talking about

774
00:30:17,609 --> 00:30:18,920
definitions and stuff like

775
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,890
that where we're reading it. Say there is a term there that

776
00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:23,279
needs defining or

777
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,589
maybe it would be highlighted as a link where you could

778
00:30:25,589 --> 00:30:28,319
just click on that and a

779
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,890
hyperlink. Yeah, is that something you foresee? Definitely

780
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:33,240
feasible. Yeah, I mean

781
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,480
the intent of this project right now is to put the final

782
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,640
code on the city's

783
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,519
website in a fully searchable way. I can also tell you that

784
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:43,559
the technology for

785
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,930
computerizing codes is evolving really fast and there could

786
00:30:46,930 --> 00:30:48,000
be some really good

787
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,059
cost-effective options that are available, you know, in 12

788
00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:51,720
months that are

789
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,599
not available now. So we keep on track of that stuff. We'll

790
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:56,200
keep talking

791
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,769
with Shandrina Manal about options for the final

792
00:30:59,769 --> 00:31:01,119
presentation but I think the

793
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,759
definite goal is to make the code on the web as user-

794
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,319
friendly as possible.

795
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:09,279
Good, thank you.

796
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,839
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. I too am very excited

797
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:15,559
about this because

798
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,569
shrinking the information, reorganizing it in more user-

799
00:31:18,569 --> 00:31:20,519
friendly ways is going to

800
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,710
be better for all. My question is I'm reading through the

801
00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:24,440
scope of work and

802
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,319
all is who makes up the P&Z subcommittee? That's a great

803
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,359
segue. We needed to cover

804
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:36,119
that but that is a topic to be covered tonight and I think

805
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:36,279
it's

806
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,490
for you all to decide as a group and for the city to decide

807
00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:40,079
but the

808
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:45,720
thinking is that a subgroup of the P&Z could help provide

809
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,759
more immediate

810
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:50,490
feedback and would be available to devote the time to read

811
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:51,240
a lot of these

812
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,720
drafts in detail and I think that's a coming conversation

813
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,759
but we

814
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,250
often find that level of feedback from a small group to be

815
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,400
effective. Don't want

816
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,670
it to get too big just because it can slow down the

817
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,880
momentum. To follow up on

818
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,559
that Commissioner, one of the notes that we had here on our

819
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:08,440
agenda was that we

820
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,710
would need a comment and so I'm going to go ahead and do

821
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:12,319
that at this time to

822
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,289
request at our next P&Z meetings we have to do public

823
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:17,460
notice that we will

824
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:21,029
then be taking the nominations and appointing the

825
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:22,160
commissioners to that

826
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,369
subcommittee so we'll make that formal now that we're going

827
00:32:25,369 --> 00:32:26,519
to request that and

828
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,150
that will come before us in a formal manner at our next

829
00:32:29,150 --> 00:32:30,240
planning and zoning

830
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,259
commissioning so thank you for helping with that. Yep.

831
00:32:35,259 --> 00:32:38,079
Commissioner Hesbeth. So I

832
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,920
was holding out and making notes here so here's what I have

833
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:43,960
. So first

834
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,170
of first and foremost I think it's important to take the

835
00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:49,640
areas of Denton in

836
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,640
consideration right so if you have an area where you have

837
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,880
two million dollar

838
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,640
homes you have an area where you have eighty thousand

839
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,079
dollar homes I think the

840
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:05,319
code needs to be using your word flexible in that regard I

841
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:06,279
don't know what

842
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:10,930
that process is but I don't want to ignore the fact that if

843
00:33:10,930 --> 00:33:11,980
I'm buying a

844
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:16,720
house and it's gonna it can max sell for $100,000 I can't

845
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,200
put a stipulation on it

846
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,829
as though it's a two million dollar neighborhood I mean

847
00:33:20,829 --> 00:33:21,519
hopefully we'll get

848
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:25,109
there but we need there needs to be some understanding of

849
00:33:25,109 --> 00:33:25,720
hey this

850
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,089
neighborhood is not that you know because I think to unil

851
00:33:29,089 --> 00:33:30,079
aterally apply

852
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:36,609
something ignores the fact that that there's just going to

853
00:33:36,609 --> 00:33:37,359
be different I'm

854
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:43,430
not saying you short the codes fire codes etc etc but there

855
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:45,079
's got to be some

856
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:52,630
in my mind way to meet and grow that neighborhood or that

857
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:53,640
building center

858
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,960
whatever that is secondly I'd love to see something if it's

859
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:00,680
an appendix of

860
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:07,529
some sort that says here's the old acting codes here's the

861
00:34:07,529 --> 00:34:10,119
new codes if you

862
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:13,719
if you broach this door here's what you're subjecting

863
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,280
yourself to you know

864
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,670
that that type thing so they can make an educated decision

865
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:18,960
do I want to live

866
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,869
under this code or do I want to upgrade this room and then

867
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:24,239
that triggers XYZ

868
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,809
over here I mean so I think a visual or some sort of append

869
00:34:27,809 --> 00:34:29,320
ix that says you know

870
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,289
using the old mall map it's like you are here if you go

871
00:34:33,289 --> 00:34:35,039
down this hallway here's

872
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:37,670
all the stuff that jumps out at you door number two yes

873
00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:39,599
yeah and so in addition

874
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:46,059
so my third thing is I I do hear from builders about the

875
00:34:46,059 --> 00:34:48,079
inspectors and and

876
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,309
that customer piece and you I know you you highlighted that

877
00:34:51,309 --> 00:34:52,480
I'd like to see

878
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,309
something that triggers from a builder's perspective or rem

879
00:34:57,309 --> 00:34:58,559
odeling if I'm there

880
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:05,079
in a code and an inspector is short or or unruly or I know

881
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:05,760
that would never

882
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,510
happen but if if it's perceived that way then I'd like to

883
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:10,679
trigger some sort of

884
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:15,510
email mechanism something that that raises a red flag that

885
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:16,480
says inspector

886
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:25,079
number 38 and I had had an issue on this date fourth I

887
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,639
would I would really

888
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,889
stress the need to document your meetings going forward

889
00:35:31,889 --> 00:35:33,119
because here's

890
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,869
here's what I've noticed especially in some tree-ordinate

891
00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:39,599
stuff things start to

892
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,000
vacillate right and so if we don't have a record of

893
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,800
especially changes right so

894
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:52,440
it's like hey this builder this homeowner this renter said

895
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,260
this in our

896
00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:57,469
open public meeting on Tuesday and we met with them a month

897
00:35:57,469 --> 00:35:58,519
later and they

898
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,860
pivoted I mean because it's important for me to make a

899
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:02,679
decision knowing if

900
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:07,679
someone is perpetually shifting then that's good to know

901
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:08,760
because you can you

902
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,719
can weigh that accordingly but if I don't have that record

903
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,920
to say there's a

904
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,929
pivot here pivot here because at some point either a person

905
00:36:16,929 --> 00:36:17,960
is amenable to

906
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,849
change or they're not and so if you have that documented

907
00:36:20,849 --> 00:36:22,239
that here's eight

908
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,050
meetings and here's eight different opinions then that that

909
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:26,519
says something to

910
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:30,260
me personally but if we don't have that record then there's

911
00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:32,280
no it's well we don't

912
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,119
know that those changes have taken place and and so I just

913
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:37,559
weigh that different

914
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:45,519
a couple more sorry it's gonna be important for me that it

915
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,239
's not

916
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,809
understanding other cities factor in and you're looking at

917
00:36:50,809 --> 00:36:51,920
different experiences

918
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,760
but I just personally take issue with well Louisville is

919
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,840
close to you and they

920
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,780
do this right I mean I know that can factor into the

921
00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:02,119
decision but as that I

922
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,869
just don't weigh I don't put a lot of weight on that I

923
00:37:04,869 --> 00:37:06,000
think it needs to be

924
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,570
more thought out as to look at is this is good for Denton

925
00:37:09,570 --> 00:37:11,760
because versus the

926
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,750
other cities around you are doing this and I think we can

927
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:14,599
get away with it you

928
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:18,170
know that that to me is not very appealing as far as a

929
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:19,199
justification for

930
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:24,239
where we're going and then lastly I'm going to appeal to

931
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,400
your your legal side

932
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,639
in a lot of legal briefs you're gonna have numbers you're

933
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:29,760
gonna have bullet

934
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,059
points versus you know and so and so I just I like that

935
00:37:34,059 --> 00:37:35,519
aspect of a instead of

936
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,090
a Senate structure if you will if there's a bullet that

937
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:40,079
says this that and

938
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,650
the other does commas there there's no you know like any

939
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:45,119
like any brief that

940
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,690
you're writing that has the numbered paragraph it has the

941
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:49,800
bold facts it has

942
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,980
the bold here's where everyone lives here's the parties in

943
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:53,719
the suit I mean

944
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,599
that type thing where if I'm just looking even though it's

945
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:57,280
a voluminous

946
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,610
document I know if I look under this word says bold parties

947
00:38:00,610 --> 00:38:01,400
it's gonna say

948
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,610
Bob lives here and this is why it's right to file the case

949
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:05,519
here that type

950
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,920
thing and then really also looking at the Senate structure

951
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,000
I would just make a

952
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,210
suggestion that we kind of get away from heaven forbid

953
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:17,360
complete sentences and and

954
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,059
just go with the bullet point that says this you know just

955
00:38:20,059 --> 00:38:20,800
get to it you know

956
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,699
because you can take out a lot of is the you know those

957
00:38:25,699 --> 00:38:28,119
type things I think just

958
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,340
make it more pointed as far as especially when you're

959
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:31,079
talking about a

960
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,650
document of this size so that the layperson can can get

961
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:35,559
through it easier

962
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:41,369
but that that's what I have thank you thank you great

963
00:38:41,369 --> 00:38:43,599
lesson else mr. Taylor

964
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,280
I'll chime in one final thing I noticed in in your

965
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,960
presentation you talked a lot

966
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,530
about infill and the possibility of being some different

967
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:52,559
standards I really

968
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,130
like that suggestion I know that's been a discussion item

969
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:57,119
many times before our

970
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,690
Commission over the years about infill projects and I know

971
00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:01,719
there's been some

972
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,969
concessions recently about different fee schedule levels I

973
00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:09,599
think while the intent

974
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,639
has been good I think the amount is fairly nominal to

975
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:14,280
encourage those

976
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,639
projects and so I just would like to throw out as you begin

977
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:18,280
to look at

978
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,010
possibly doing some different criteria for infill that if

979
00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:24,440
that is going to be

980
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,650
truly a focus I know it's a focus for the 2030 Denton plan

981
00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:29,719
that you may have

982
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,440
to look at even some larger discounts on fees some

983
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,239
different abilities for a

984
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,530
percentage of variance whatever it may be to really open

985
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:39,679
some of those as you

986
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,639
use the correct term challenging sites that have been

987
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,840
overlooked for 20 30 years

988
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,730
to really be able to finally get enough incentive for a

989
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:50,199
developer builder

990
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,780
property owner to buy that property and do something with

991
00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:55,159
it versus it continues

992
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:58,539
to sit vacant because it's undevelopable under the current

993
00:39:58,539 --> 00:40:00,119
code or because it has

994
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,849
whatever tell me trees whatever the problem is with it that

995
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:05,280
it can

996
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,739
ultimately be developed so I like that and I look forward

997
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:10,280
to seeing some of the

998
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,179
specifics on that so those would be my comments so with

999
00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:15,639
that unless anyone else

1000
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,210
has some other comments or questions thank you for your

1001
00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:21,000
presentation and we

1002
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,860
look forward to getting a subcommittee put together and get

1003
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:23,360
started with you

1004
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,719
sounds good thank you thank you all thank you all do we

1005
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,440
need to give them a

1006
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:38,510
few minutes maybe other people to clear the room I know we

1007
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:39,360
're gonna we're gonna

1008
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,639
transition for clarification of agenda items I don't know

1009
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:45,239
if there's anybody

1010
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,960
that is was just here for this item if you all want to go

1011
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,320
ahead and head out

1012
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,000
great we're gonna go ahead and keep going on our meeting

1013
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,119
and so I'm going to

1014
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,880
turn over to Shondria for clarification of the rest of our

1015
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,840
agenda items thank

1016
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,539
you chair I wanted to see if we had any questions on the

1017
00:41:07,539 --> 00:41:09,159
minutes from November

1018
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:15,500
30th and December 14th if there needed to be any discussion

1019
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,760
on that okay so on

1020
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,400
the consent agenda we have five five items for consent one

1021
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,920
prelim preliminary

1022
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,090
plait and then four final plants do we have any questions

1023
00:41:31,090 --> 00:41:31,880
on those

1024
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,050
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I had one question and

1025
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:38,480
it has to do with

1026
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:58,599
Teasley trails okay I'll invite Julie why it up all right I

1027
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,840
don't know if it's

1028
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:11,599
been fixed on yours lot 18 in block B had a hash mark on it

1029
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:12,440
but it wasn't

1030
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:21,480
listed in the notes sorry lot 18 block yeah down here on

1031
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,280
the yeah right right

1032
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,289
here uh-huh but when you go to the line notes on line 10 it

1033
00:42:27,289 --> 00:42:30,760
is not on line 10 it

1034
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,329
goes 7 and then 19 so I don't know if the hash mark shouldn

1035
00:42:34,329 --> 00:42:35,400
't be there or should

1036
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,670
18 should be included in line 10 the applicant should be

1037
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:43,079
here later or and and

1038
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:53,150
we can we can discuss it with them Earl's getting up so a

1039
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:57,079
lot 18 is here and

1040
00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:06,159
it's got the the but it's not listed in the notes it talks

1041
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:07,000
about the no building

1042
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,719
permits it may mean that we just need to have them correct

1043
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,880
that clerical error on

1044
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:18,639
the note prior to it being signed and filed it looks you're

1045
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:19,719
correct it looks

1046
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:26,670
I was missed it is it is required based on that note to

1047
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:31,199
have a until a letter of

1048
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,349
map revision has been approved I feel so that should be

1049
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:34,239
included with that

1050
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,380
requirement as well okay so we'll make sure that's that's

1051
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:38,559
included as part of

1052
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:43,840
the plan execution package okay thank you

1053
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:54,000
any more questions for Julie thank you thank you okay if

1054
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,960
there are no more

1055
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,530
questions on the consent agenda we'll go to the individual

1056
00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:00,119
consideration items we

1057
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,969
have three items for individual consideration the last item

1058
00:44:03,969 --> 00:44:04,719
has been

1059
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,440
pulled from the agenda just as a note and I will invite

1060
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,119
Julie White back up to

1061
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:19,670
present the GDP for the Jim Crystal Road site I'm

1062
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:24,639
presenting this this is actually

1063
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:29,239
Mike Bell's case he's home with his new addition to his

1064
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,800
family so so I may have

1065
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,070
to refer to my notes if I don't know the answer your

1066
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:37,480
question right away so the

1067
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,889
subject property is located or situated on the west side of

1068
00:44:41,889 --> 00:44:43,719
town near the Denton

1069
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,239
Enterprise Airport south of Jim Crystal Road and near Mosh

1070
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,239
Branch and the

1071
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,639
request before used to consider a general development plan

1072
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:55,519
for this entire

1073
00:44:55,519 --> 00:45:01,400
tract which is 340 acres this is the location of the future

1074
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,719
of the Denton

1075
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,559
Energy Center which will include a natural gas operated

1076
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:07,679
power plant the

1077
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,519
purchase of this property was approved by City Council in

1078
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:11,400
June of last year

1079
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,880
June 21st and the subject property is primarily zoned as IC

1080
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,079
G and the desired

1081
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,039
use which is basic utilities is permitted in the zoning

1082
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:21,199
district and

1083
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:25,539
here's the zoning plan the the exhibits I'm going to go

1084
00:45:25,539 --> 00:45:26,880
over in your backup but

1085
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,849
we'll just go over briefly so we can clarify any questions

1086
00:45:29,849 --> 00:45:31,119
you have all

1087
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,820
that's in the purple is the ICG the proposed energy center

1088
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:36,519
is in this

1089
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:42,920
location right here so this is a fairly large site it's 340

1090
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,079
acres and because

1091
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,650
it's so large it does require an additional coordination of

1092
00:45:47,650 --> 00:45:48,400
things like

1093
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,619
utilities and infrastructure and so that's why they're

1094
00:45:50,619 --> 00:45:51,519
moving forward with

1095
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:56,349
this GDP this GDP also breaks out the project into three

1096
00:45:56,349 --> 00:45:57,880
phases and let's look

1097
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,690
at those so phase one in the light blue that as I said

1098
00:46:01,690 --> 00:46:02,480
before this is the

1099
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,460
proposed location of the Denton Energy Center and that's

1100
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:08,360
going to move forward

1101
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,679
first phase three which is here oh I'm sorry do phase two

1102
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,400
first phase two it is

1103
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,309
anticipated and in fact it's going to be moved forward to

1104
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:21,280
be conveyed to the

1105
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,849
Denton Enterprise Airport no development is permitted in

1106
00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:26,159
this location due to

1107
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:30,219
the FAA requirements so that's going to be a part of the

1108
00:46:30,219 --> 00:46:31,880
the airport and then

1109
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,409
phase three there aren't any proposed uses at this time but

1110
00:46:36,409 --> 00:46:36,960
it could be

1111
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,639
developed in the future with any uses that are permitted in

1112
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:40,320
the governing

1113
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:46,719
zoning yes sir commissioner back thank you chair okay just

1114
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,719
for my own

1115
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:53,449
edification why do we even have a phase two area how did

1116
00:46:53,449 --> 00:46:56,000
this become part of the

1117
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,489
area of land that these plants are going to be built on and

1118
00:47:02,489 --> 00:47:03,960
I realize this may

1119
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,639
get into something that's not planning and zoning but we

1120
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:07,760
seem to purchase land

1121
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,840
there that John fortune is coming up here he looks like he

1122
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,119
has an answer okay

1123
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:18,070
the interest of the airport we're building a new runway

1124
00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:19,239
just to the west

1125
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,949
of the existing runway we've received a grant from the

1126
00:47:22,949 --> 00:47:24,519
state to do that and so

1127
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:28,909
we were also in the same time DME was looking at property

1128
00:47:28,909 --> 00:47:30,079
we were looking at

1129
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:33,389
property and so our interest kind of converged and that's

1130
00:47:33,389 --> 00:47:34,440
how it evolved this

1131
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,010
way so that's that's the purpose for this being done as a

1132
00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:39,760
separate phase okay

1133
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,780
and we don't have any plans as far as we know for phase

1134
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:46,079
three either that that

1135
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,880
that I don't know what phase three is not Julie or Gary

1136
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,400
speak to that but in

1137
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,679
terms of the airport that's why phase two was broken okay

1138
00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:00,559
I didn't want to jump in Julie just for a second so the GDP

1139
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:02,199
we don't have any

1140
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:07,219
land use plans at the moment for phase three the GDP is the

1141
00:48:07,219 --> 00:48:09,159
zoning for the lot

1142
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:13,150
is already in place the land uses that are allowable for

1143
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:14,760
the site are already

1144
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,929
specified in the zoning districts the GDP is intended to

1145
00:48:19,929 --> 00:48:21,599
take it for us to take a

1146
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,210
conceptual look at how the infrastructure and the utilities

1147
00:48:25,210 --> 00:48:25,480
the

1148
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,420
roadways can serve the site now obviously after the phases

1149
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:31,280
are developed

1150
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,530
there may be some tweaks internally but the GDP is intended

1151
00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:35,559
to make sure that

1152
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:40,039
our needs as for public infrastructure basically are met

1153
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,079
and that's what the

1154
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,420
this application is for okay so even though we're just

1155
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:45,840
dealing with phase one

1156
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,230
here the GDP is to help us down the road in the event that

1157
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:51,360
things transpire with

1158
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:59,719
the other two phases correct okay thank you so let's look

1159
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,320
at some of the

1160
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,889
proposed improvements so the proposed transportation

1161
00:49:03,889 --> 00:49:04,679
improvements include a

1162
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,250
Western extension of loop 288 right of way extent

1163
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:09,679
dedication on Jim Crystal

1164
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,250
Road right of way dedication for Tom Cole and a new

1165
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:13,480
collector required from

1166
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Jim Crystal to Tom Cole Road so as you can see in the red

1167
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,159
areas Jim Crystal up

1168
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:23,130
here that right of way will be dedicated upon platting of

1169
00:49:23,130 --> 00:49:25,760
that phase this is this

1170
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:32,019
is the anticipated location of the loop 288 extension so

1171
00:49:32,019 --> 00:49:33,599
that will move forward

1172
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:39,079
as as with text dot and then here would be the proposed

1173
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,559
location for that future

1174
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,289
collector between Tom Cole here in the south and Jim

1175
00:49:45,289 --> 00:49:47,639
Crystal commissioner back

1176
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:51,400
thank you chair okay and again if I read somewhere in here

1177
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,079
this location for the

1178
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:55,840
future loop is different than what our mobility plan

1179
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,280
originally showed which I

1180
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,230
think was on the far west end so can you go into that a

1181
00:50:01,230 --> 00:50:03,119
little bit sure I'll make

1182
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,360
a stab at it and Earl can correct me if he if he needs to

1183
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,119
so the mobility plan

1184
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,690
is schematic it is really intended to show the the

1185
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:12,679
connections between those

1186
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,250
roads and an approximation of where they'll go as

1187
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:18,400
development moves forward

1188
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,639
the the location for those roads becomes a little more

1189
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,719
certain and so a mobility

1190
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,400
plan it it shows that this is going to be an about this

1191
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,960
location but but now or

1192
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,349
when they move forward with the dedication of that then

1193
00:50:32,349 --> 00:50:33,079
they'll or then

1194
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:40,380
they'll see girls coming up that's somewhat correct when

1195
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:40,639
the mobility plan

1196
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,900
was put together it was it is indeed schematic however when

1197
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:46,880
text dot revisited

1198
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,159
the alignment they took an account more accurate

1199
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:50,800
information like topography

1200
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,170
floodplain existing structures substations gas wells etc so

1201
00:50:55,170 --> 00:50:58,119
that kind of

1202
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:01,940
affected the alignment somewhat and in order to miss those

1203
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:03,639
items and so it's

1204
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,039
still within the vicinity of their property but it's just

1205
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:06,760
shifted a little

1206
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,420
bit further east and what their mobility plan showed all

1207
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:15,519
right additional

1208
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,739
infrastructure will be water and sewer extensions and they

1209
00:51:17,739 --> 00:51:18,559
'll be required with

1210
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:24,019
the final platting of phase one so the line in dark blue is

1211
00:51:24,019 --> 00:51:25,360
the the water

1212
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,500
extensions and then though the orange line is the sewer

1213
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:29,599
extension so those

1214
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:33,170
will all be a part a function of this phase one and that

1215
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:34,599
that preliminary

1216
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:40,239
platas is on your agenda denied as well there also is a

1217
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,679
tree treeed floodway

1218
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:45,250
that crosses the property diagonally from the northwest to

1219
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:45,400
the south way with

1220
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,969
southeast there is an environmentally sensitive area

1221
00:51:48,969 --> 00:51:50,320
embedded within this

1222
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:56,420
within this floodway and we'll look at that so here here is

1223
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:58,719
that that area and

1224
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,440
and they you know we have requirements within sub chapter

1225
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,360
17 of the Denton

1226
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,679
Development Code and the proposed regarding environmentally

1227
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:08,039
sensitive

1228
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,989
areas and floodways and the proposed energy center is is

1229
00:52:10,989 --> 00:52:12,719
not within that that

1230
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:22,150
area and additionally the development will be will be

1231
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:23,880
required to comply with

1232
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,090
all city standards and that includes platting site plans

1233
00:52:28,090 --> 00:52:29,519
tree preservation

1234
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,090
and drainage impacts to adjacent properties and the

1235
00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:34,360
drainage plan that

1236
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,420
was in your backup reflects that and then here is the tree

1237
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:40,000
inventory that's

1238
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,570
currently on the site once again you can see that the

1239
00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:44,639
proposed proposed

1240
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:48,699
improvements are not within the treeed area so staff does

1241
00:52:48,699 --> 00:52:50,000
recommend approval of

1242
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
their quest because it's in consistent with the

1243
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,400
infrastructure requirements and

1244
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,429
the goals and objectives of the dent plan 2030 and I'll

1245
00:52:56,429 --> 00:52:57,159
stand for any

1246
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,519
questions

1247
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:07,510
Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair I do have one other

1248
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:09,920
concern and I could be

1249
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:18,639
reading this wrong. North Hickory Creek runs if I'm not

1250
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:20,199
wrong runs to the far

1251
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:28,679
west of this this area yes yes okay the topography seems to

1252
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:29,480
indicate where the

1253
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,199
plants are at that the topography is going to run away from

1254
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:33,119
the plants toward

1255
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:39,150
the creek is that correct? Are we concerned that anything

1256
00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:40,000
that comes from

1257
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,570
those plants be whatever it may especially if it's of a

1258
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:44,320
negative nature

1259
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,039
would get into the North Hickory Creek and work its way out

1260
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:49,239
into Lake Louisville

1261
00:53:49,239 --> 00:54:02,269
is has that been looked at is that a concern? I'm Gary Vick

1262
00:54:02,269 --> 00:54:03,559
ery with T. Nolan

1263
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,769
Perkins I'm the applicant on this project with DME yeah we

1264
00:54:06,769 --> 00:54:07,519
have looked at

1265
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,780
that this site is really quite flat although as you get

1266
00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:11,960
them by both streams

1267
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,230
there's of course a lot of topography but the remainder of

1268
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:14,760
the site is

1269
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,340
extremely flat there will be down here in the southwest

1270
00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:19,840
corner of the site a

1271
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,760
sediment pond that will trap permanently stormwater of

1272
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,159
course but all of the flow

1273
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:29,730
will go in one direction or another basically what we

1274
00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:30,599
looked at is what

1275
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,150
happens if there's sediment that leaves the site especially

1276
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:34,119
during construction

1277
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,090
but but even after that as well. So regardless of the top

1278
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:37,960
ography y'all have

1279
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:44,210
made steps to direct flow towards that okay okay great

1280
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:46,920
thanks. Commissioner

1281
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,440
Taylor. Thank You Chair. I had a couple of questions about

1282
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,119
the the phasing and

1283
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,289
the actually the preliminary plot I'm going to go ahead and

1284
00:54:57,289 --> 00:54:57,880
touch on that I

1285
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,250
know that's the next item. This this plan appears to really

1286
00:55:02,250 --> 00:55:03,599
use it only about 20

1287
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:08,300
acres of the 170 in phase one and but it's all being

1288
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:12,039
plotted as one lot and it

1289
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:17,289
only seems to show utilities that supply to that that 20

1290
00:55:17,289 --> 00:55:19,360
acre area so and it even

1291
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,929
has comments about traffic generation from one of those

1292
00:55:22,929 --> 00:55:24,079
locations down there

1293
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,769
not really taking into account the other 150 acres that

1294
00:55:26,769 --> 00:55:27,880
will probably eventually

1295
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,780
have something on them. So what steps would be necessary

1296
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:36,679
for the next thing to

1297
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,030
get built out there whatever it may be? On phase one? Well

1298
00:55:40,030 --> 00:55:40,960
yes so on phase one

1299
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,230
after the substation and the proposed trying to read that

1300
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:46,360
from here energy

1301
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,429
center are are built and they're even labeled as parcels

1302
00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:50,360
but they're not

1303
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,280
actually parcels because they're all just part of lot one.

1304
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,019
We don't have any

1305
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:58,590
proposed uses at the time any any any proposed use that

1306
00:55:58,590 --> 00:55:59,639
would come on the site

1307
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,210
would have to tap into existing water lines in order to be

1308
00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:04,559
served is that is

1309
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:09,159
that your question? That's correct. In addition they would

1310
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:10,019
also go through the

1311
00:56:10,019 --> 00:56:14,360
site plan process so we'll still get another crack at it

1312
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,639
final plan and then

1313
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,730
site plan review to make sure that the city requirements

1314
00:56:18,730 --> 00:56:19,800
are being met for

1315
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,719
whatever goes out there. So this isn't the last. Well you

1316
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,119
're talking about on

1317
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:31,440
those two. Yes. I mean in general the other 150 acres like

1318
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,679
this is I was kind

1319
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,489
of expecting this to be phase one would have three lots lot

1320
00:56:36,489 --> 00:56:37,480
one lot two lot three

1321
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,699
and three would be the remainder unused or something like

1322
00:56:39,699 --> 00:56:41,199
that but that's this

1323
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:46,130
is all just one lot right so. I'd like to invite the

1324
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:47,840
applicant back up to give you

1325
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,760
an idea of how they intend to use the site because he can

1326
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,840
answer that question.

1327
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,010
Let me make sure I understand the question you're asking

1328
00:56:57,010 --> 00:56:59,119
about say other

1329
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:03,780
development on phase one the blue? Yeah this since you've

1330
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:05,559
since that is all one

1331
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,360
lot right we're plotting it as a single lot doesn't it

1332
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,800
seems like that has some

1333
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,780
ramifications in the future on the remainder of the area

1334
00:57:14,780 --> 00:57:16,099
the other 150

1335
00:57:16,099 --> 00:57:21,360
acres. Sure as I understand it if if DME City of Denton I

1336
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:21,920
guess I should really

1337
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,519
say wanted to build something else out there on this on

1338
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,559
that blue site there we

1339
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,429
would have to come in as if it were a brand new project and

1340
00:57:30,429 --> 00:57:31,280
start we would

1341
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,969
start with a pre-development meeting we would have to go

1342
00:57:33,969 --> 00:57:35,119
through the site plan

1343
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:39,440
process the whole thing potentially depending on the type

1344
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,719
of use I suppose

1345
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:44,300
it would be possible we'd have to do a replat to carve a

1346
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:45,880
lot out of it if it

1347
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,280
were I'm sure there could be uses for some of that that

1348
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,159
would not require a

1349
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:54,730
replat that would be just other uses on the property there

1350
00:57:54,730 --> 00:57:56,199
aren't any that I know

1351
00:57:56,199 --> 00:58:00,409
of contemplated uses out there other than what you see but

1352
00:58:00,409 --> 00:58:01,559
but but that could

1353
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:04,099
happen in the future and we'd come back and start the

1354
00:58:04,099 --> 00:58:05,380
process over whatever that

1355
00:58:05,380 --> 00:58:08,519
happens to be. And so can I just confirm with with staff

1356
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:10,039
that like if they want

1357
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:12,090
to build an office building you know house some people out

1358
00:58:12,090 --> 00:58:12,679
there put some

1359
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:17,380
offices out there that requires either a replat or a brand

1360
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:18,920
new application a new

1361
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,260
project? It would depend on how they intend to organize a

1362
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:25,159
site obviously they

1363
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,130
they would have to meet our standards so we would have to

1364
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:29,199
verify zoning we would

1365
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:32,769
have to make sure that the new sites get served by

1366
00:58:32,769 --> 00:58:35,599
utilities and whatever lot

1367
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,630
arrangement or utility arrangement that would be needed to

1368
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:39,739
serve the site would

1369
00:58:39,739 --> 00:58:43,719
have to be come forward and be approved but there's no

1370
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:45,360
requirement right now for

1371
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,280
them to lay out. I understand there's no requirement now I

1372
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,159
just like I said it just seems like it

1373
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,840
creates a lot of barriers for anything else that goes out

1374
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,119
there. You have to come

1375
00:58:54,119 --> 00:59:00,500
back and you're only using 15% or something of the lot so

1376
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:01,000
it seems like

1377
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,570
you just make that one like lot one have lot two the

1378
00:59:04,570 --> 00:59:07,519
remainder that just so

1379
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:11,730
trying to understand the reason for that. And that's the if

1380
00:59:11,730 --> 00:59:13,440
they haven't developed

1381
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,920
that concept yet that's sort of where we are right now but

1382
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,639
our process is

1383
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:18,940
flexible enough to allow them to do that in the future

1384
00:59:18,940 --> 00:59:20,079
should they decide to do

1385
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,650
that. And if it and would it be possible for them to say

1386
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:25,480
build an additional

1387
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,070
unrelated building out there without replatting could they

1388
00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:31,000
just do a site

1389
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,230
plan and amended site plan with another building or a site

1390
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:34,920
plan for an

1391
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,639
additional. We would take it's possible but we would also

1392
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:39,800
take a look again at

1393
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,599
what the use is and what utilities it would need to be

1394
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,119
served what roadway

1395
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:48,039
infrastructure is needed to serve that site and then make

1396
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:49,800
that call on what how

1397
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,679
the planning would look going forward but for now this is

1398
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:55,840
sufficient. And then

1399
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,360
regarding roadways there doesn't seem to be any indication

1400
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,559
of what circulation

1401
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,800
would get down to what are called parcels but are really

1402
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,760
just part of lot

1403
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,329
one on this and you know it only shows access to lot one

1404
01:00:09,329 --> 01:00:10,360
which is up on the

1405
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,820
north side but will we will there be anything on the final

1406
01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:16,800
plot that shows

1407
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:26,400
roadway circulation? Yes there one of the things that we we

1408
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,039
have to do because

1409
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:30,010
the buildings are a little bit higher than 30 feet is we

1410
01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:31,199
have to provide a

1411
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:35,269
second point of access for emergency access so there will

1412
01:00:35,269 --> 01:00:36,440
be an emergency

1413
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,119
access road and that's all it'll be at this point will be

1414
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:40,320
down to the south to

1415
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,300
Tom Cole Road but otherwise all of the normal access will

1416
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:45,840
be off of off of Jim

1417
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:53,389
Crystal. Okay I guess I expect in a preliminary plot to

1418
01:00:53,389 --> 01:00:54,360
kind of see some of

1419
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,679
that stuff and like in the preliminary plot has utility

1420
01:00:58,679 --> 01:00:59,960
like water lines and

1421
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,929
sewer but it doesn't seem to show any circulation or you

1422
01:01:02,929 --> 01:01:04,039
know inside the lot

1423
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:09,239
so thank you. I guess the one thing we did leave out of the

1424
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:10,159
conversation is that

1425
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:14,199
the prelim can be revised as they get more specificity on

1426
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:15,480
the site they can

1427
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,690
come back in and revise the the different plat types to

1428
01:01:19,690 --> 01:01:20,679
match the use

1429
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:24,250
that they are going to eventually develop so whatever the

1430
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:25,159
change is it'll

1431
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:28,769
still come back through the normal process. Okay so by

1432
01:01:28,769 --> 01:01:30,199
final we would expect

1433
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,719
to be able to see circulation.

1434
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:44,880
Do you want me to go ahead into the preliminary plot? If no

1435
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,199
more questions we can discuss the

1436
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:54,369
premium. Sure. Okay all right so this is PP 1621 Denton

1437
01:01:54,369 --> 01:01:57,079
Energy Center and here is

1438
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:00,650
the preliminary plot as you can see it follows the

1439
01:02:00,650 --> 01:02:02,760
boundaries of phase one and

1440
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,679
it's kind of hard to see but it does show the the existing

1441
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:09,119
easements any

1442
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:14,119
proposed easements any proposed dedication of right away.

1443
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:24,619
Commissioner Beck. I wanted to ask this earlier okay so the

1444
01:02:24,619 --> 01:02:27,800
floodplain is not

1445
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,789
going to be impacted so much by the Denton Energy Center

1446
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:33,000
itself but what

1447
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,570
about the road and right away upon Jim Crystal? Is that

1448
01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:37,960
going to have any kind

1449
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,909
of effect on a floodplain that of any major consequence? Is

1450
01:02:43,909 --> 01:02:46,000
it pretty simple?

1451
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,929
The right away will not however when the road when Jim

1452
01:02:50,929 --> 01:02:52,280
Crystal does get widened

1453
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,030
right now it's slated to be I believe it's a secondary

1454
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:56,159
arterial which is a

1455
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,119
four-lane divided roadway eventually that will impact it

1456
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:00,159
because we'll have

1457
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:04,380
to install culverts for the floodplain or flood waters go

1458
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:05,159
underneath the roadway.

1459
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:10,760
But we'll address it then? That's correct. Okay thanks.

1460
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:17,400
Okay thank you Julie. The next item is a site plan for the

1461
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,599
Razor Ranch South R2

1462
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:24,130
district and I'm inviting Musee Brias up to present in

1463
01:03:24,130 --> 01:03:26,039
place of Mike Bell.

1464
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:29,820
Good evening this is Musee Brias I'm an associate planner

1465
01:03:29,820 --> 01:03:30,679
with the planning

1466
01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:34,420
division and I'm filling in for Mike Bell. This is a site

1467
01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:36,360
plan for furniture

1468
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:42,440
store development in the Razor Ranch development and this

1469
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,840
is the general

1470
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:49,690
location where it will be located it's north of 500 feet

1471
01:03:49,690 --> 01:03:51,280
north of Scrippeter

1472
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:59,250
Street and east of I-35. The request is for approval of

1473
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:01,400
site plan for furniture

1474
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,369
store development in the Razor Ranch development. Now I'll

1475
01:04:04,369 --> 01:04:05,519
go over the site

1476
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:11,199
plan landscape plan and elevations in this presentation.

1477
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:12,880
The criteria for

1478
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,889
approval is the site plan fully complies with the concept

1479
01:04:17,889 --> 01:04:19,800
plan it meets all the

1480
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,980
regulations in the architectural standards and the

1481
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:23,119
landscape standards as

1482
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:27,539
mentioned in the residential overlay district in exhibit C1

1483
01:04:27,539 --> 01:04:28,760
and exhibit D1

1484
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,349
and there's adequate utilities either already available or

1485
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:34,300
they will be

1486
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:37,550
provided according according to the applicable requirements

1487
01:04:37,550 --> 01:04:38,400
and site plan

1488
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,969
fully complies with the residential overlay district. This

1489
01:04:41,969 --> 01:04:43,599
is the site plan

1490
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:48,429
the yellow highlighted area is the building footprint and

1491
01:04:48,429 --> 01:04:49,480
it meets the

1492
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,900
separate requirements parking driveway standards and all of

1493
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:56,679
the regulations.

1494
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:02,980
Here is the landscape plan I have highlighted landscape

1495
01:05:02,980 --> 01:05:05,079
areas in green it

1496
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:10,630
meets the minimum landscape area requirements. These are

1497
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:11,920
the elevations

1498
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,170
the top one is the front elevation then there is the left

1499
01:05:16,170 --> 01:05:17,760
and right elevation and

1500
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,719
then the bottom one is the back elevation this bottom one

1501
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:24,320
is the

1502
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:30,949
elevation that will be facing I-35. This is the perspective

1503
01:05:30,949 --> 01:05:32,039
provided by the

1504
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:37,809
applicant of the site just to give you an idea how it will

1505
01:05:37,809 --> 01:05:41,119
be. So all site plans in

1506
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,909
this district have to meet the architectural standards and

1507
01:05:43,909 --> 01:05:44,119
the

1508
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:47,340
landscape standards as mentioned in exhibit C1 and exhibit

1509
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,159
D1 and the site

1510
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:52,730
plan landscape plan elevations meet all those requirements.

1511
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:54,239
Staff recommends a

1512
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:57,960
approval for this site plan and I'll stand for any

1513
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:58,840
questions.

1514
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:04,409
Commissioner back. Thank you chair there's a lot of glass

1515
01:06:04,409 --> 01:06:05,320
on the front and back

1516
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,889
elevations just curious do we take into consideration

1517
01:06:08,889 --> 01:06:10,639
extreme weather conditions

1518
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:14,420
that for certain materials like that is that glass can be

1519
01:06:14,420 --> 01:06:16,000
able withstand you

1520
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,849
know if we have another bodacious hail storm they would get

1521
01:06:20,849 --> 01:06:21,719
an awful lot so is

1522
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:25,929
it those kind of things taken into consideration with the

1523
01:06:25,929 --> 01:06:27,199
material. I'll

1524
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:31,449
like to invite the applicant who's here I believe for Reson

1525
01:06:31,449 --> 01:06:34,840
ance Development to

1526
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,219
Hello Scott Wagner of Red Development the owner of the

1527
01:06:45,219 --> 01:06:48,239
property and applicant

1528
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:52,760
we do also have the owner and operator of the furniture

1529
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,559
store who is here but

1530
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,400
not in the work session so they'll be available for the

1531
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,920
meeting but that glass

1532
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,130
the percentage of glass meets the code requirement and I've

1533
01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:02,960
been told from

1534
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,539
those folks it's a structural plate glass like a like a

1535
01:07:05,539 --> 01:07:06,440
high-rise building

1536
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,409
would be so it would certainly be structurally stable for

1537
01:07:09,409 --> 01:07:10,360
that and then it

1538
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,210
also meets the energy code I believe the latest energy

1539
01:07:13,210 --> 01:07:15,039
codes 2015 so that was a

1540
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,929
concern of ours and other people's it's you know it's a lot

1541
01:07:17,929 --> 01:07:18,800
of glass a lot of

1542
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,369
heat and whatnot but I think it's a last energy code was

1543
01:07:22,369 --> 01:07:24,840
2012 now it's 2015 so it

1544
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,739
meets that as well so it's a little darker glass than usual

1545
01:07:27,739 --> 01:07:28,239
and will

1546
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:32,000
certainly be a structural. While you're up here maybe

1547
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,400
because this might come

1548
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,960
back to you anyway the panhandle panhandle drive y'all are

1549
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:38,639
gonna be

1550
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:43,050
responsible just for that portion that runs parallel with

1551
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:44,960
your building

1552
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:50,139
correct that's correct okay the left will be left for the

1553
01:07:50,139 --> 01:07:51,159
development we've

1554
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:55,639
been processing multiple plans through I've got a interrupt

1555
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:56,639
instead of having

1556
01:07:56,639 --> 01:07:58,889
the discussion now they'd rather have the question in

1557
01:07:58,889 --> 01:07:59,920
public about panhandle

1558
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:04,159
Street and how all that's gonna get done so we have more

1559
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,960
than the minimum

1560
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:14,679
parking spaces do it out there okay thank you thank you for

1561
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:18,000
that. Commissioner

1562
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,569
Taylor thank you and this this might involve mr. Wagner as

1563
01:08:21,569 --> 01:08:23,359
well on both of

1564
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:28,199
our all these two razor-range site plans and future ones it

1565
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:29,239
would be useful

1566
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:33,960
probably to see the the overall kind of master plan as well

1567
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,439
just it helps when

1568
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,489
you look at the aero map and you just see a whole bunch of

1569
01:08:37,489 --> 01:08:38,199
dirt it's really

1570
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:42,600
hard to put individual parcels in context so I believe

1571
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:43,880
there is a full

1572
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,859
site there's one that actually shows kind of circulation

1573
01:08:47,859 --> 01:08:49,520
and stuff that's a

1574
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:55,119
little like not just the block map but the I forget what it

1575
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:57,640
's called yeah just

1576
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,029
kind of what's been built so far and kind of what the

1577
01:09:00,029 --> 01:09:01,140
dotted lines are for

1578
01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:05,520
future ideas we can bring that back at a future meeting I

1579
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,319
don't know that we have

1580
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,529
that today well yeah I'm not I'm just saying like we're

1581
01:09:09,529 --> 01:09:10,119
probably gonna have a

1582
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:12,689
lot more site plans for a razor so if you just stick that

1583
01:09:12,689 --> 01:09:13,520
in as is as one of

1584
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,899
the you know above the site plan as total cons you know

1585
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:18,800
area concept plan

1586
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,199
or something like that I'll make a note of that and we'll

1587
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:21,800
start doing it from

1588
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:33,090
that side okay commissioner Herschman thank you chair I

1589
01:09:33,090 --> 01:09:35,520
have a are we asking

1590
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,770
all panhandle clarification questions in general session or

1591
01:09:39,770 --> 01:09:41,199
is there some that

1592
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:50,800
would be better ask now if it's getting into deliberation

1593
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:51,560
on the

1594
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,199
project I think that is probably better to wait to the

1595
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:55,159
regular session but if

1596
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:59,039
you need clarification and say a technical item we are more

1597
01:09:59,039 --> 01:09:59,760
than happy

1598
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:04,939
to do that here yes that's what it is okay so my question

1599
01:10:04,939 --> 01:10:05,920
is I just want to

1600
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,569
know so there's an on ramp in this panhandle and so I can't

1601
01:10:11,569 --> 01:10:12,479
tell by the

1602
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:20,460
site by this plat is there going to be access from panhand

1603
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:29,680
le to I-35 so okay

1604
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,859
thank you Earl and I were just negotiating on who should

1605
01:10:32,859 --> 01:10:33,479
answer that

1606
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:39,369
question so panhandle is a future collector road that will

1607
01:10:39,369 --> 01:10:41,359
connect to I-35

1608
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:45,079
in the interim condition until I-35 is widened that will

1609
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:46,239
only be a right in

1610
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:50,119
condition because of the potential conflict with the right

1611
01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:50,960
out onto the

1612
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,560
front of the road and the ramp so that portion of the right

1613
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,239
out from panhandle

1614
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,579
to I-35 would be blocked off striped barricaded for the

1615
01:11:00,579 --> 01:11:02,119
future and then that

1616
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:04,760
I think most everybody's aware of the text up plans to

1617
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:05,640
widen that has a

1618
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,210
different ramp configuration when that gets constructed

1619
01:11:09,210 --> 01:11:10,239
then this driveway will

1620
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:14,130
be allowed the driveway permits are going through text out

1621
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:14,920
as well as the

1622
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,489
city engineering folks and that will be planned and sequ

1623
01:11:18,489 --> 01:11:20,119
enced so that occurs

1624
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:27,640
with adequate timing and traffic flow perfect thank you

1625
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,640
mr. Sullivan

1626
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,140
I think I've got a another buzz in here from staff I think

1627
01:11:44,140 --> 01:11:48,560
we want to have all

1628
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,130
the discussions about ingress egress panhandle the road to

1629
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:53,159
the east and we'll

1630
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:55,880
do it in there thanks so maybe I wouldn't seeing something

1631
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:56,600
in there that

1632
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:56,600
and I agree I'm gonna be asking if somebody else if you don

1633
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,479
't so yes sir

1634
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:01,479
and we can bring in a site plan for the overhead camera it

1635
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:06,800
'll help orient and

1636
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:11,010
talk about traffic and sequencing that's helpful I think

1637
01:12:11,010 --> 01:12:11,600
that'd be helpful

1638
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:19,899
thank you we can go to the final site plan for the movie

1639
01:12:19,899 --> 01:12:21,399
theater and mosaic

1640
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:25,920
will you pull the mic up so we can hear you

1641
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:33,800
this is a site plan for a razor-edge movie theater in the

1642
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,560
reserve installment

1643
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,729
this is the general location will be located it's in razor-

1644
01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:42,520
edge r1 district

1645
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:48,279
of the razor-edge town center this right here it'll be

1646
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:50,319
right here on here just

1647
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:58,699
south of the town center request is for to consider an

1648
01:12:58,699 --> 01:13:00,960
approval for site plan

1649
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,529
for a movie theater development in the reserve development

1650
01:13:05,529 --> 01:13:06,399
now in this

1651
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:10,649
presentation I will go over the site plan landscape plan

1652
01:13:10,649 --> 01:13:11,880
and elevations

1653
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,649
there is a site plan that I've highlighted the building

1654
01:13:15,649 --> 01:13:17,319
footprint it

1655
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:20,039
meets all the parking requirements separate requirements

1656
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:21,920
and other

1657
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,130
requirements as mentioned in the architectural standards

1658
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:28,079
the green

1659
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:33,920
highlighted area is the landscaped area which includes some

1660
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,680
plaza area as well

1661
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:42,039
there is a close-up of the plaza area in this the applicant

1662
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:44,159
has gone way above

1663
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:49,640
in providing the plaza space they are above the requirement

1664
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,000
these are the

1665
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,569
elevations the top one is the east elevation that will be

1666
01:13:54,569 --> 01:13:54,880
facing the

1667
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,449
multi-family development the lower one is the south

1668
01:13:58,449 --> 01:13:59,640
elevation they'll be

1669
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:04,920
facing the convention center that is being currently built

1670
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,600
the top one is

1671
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,399
the best elevation and the lower one is the north elevation

1672
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:10,600
the lower north

1673
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:15,250
elevation will be facing the town center the site fully

1674
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:17,000
complies with the concept

1675
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,090
plan it meets the requirements in architectural standards

1676
01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:20,840
and the landscape

1677
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,470
standards as mentioned in the residential overlay district

1678
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:24,920
and the

1679
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,920
site plan fully complies with the residential overlay

1680
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,640
district and all

1681
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,659
site plans for this site or in this district will have to

1682
01:14:34,659 --> 01:14:35,380
meet the

1683
01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:37,930
architectural standards and landscape standards as

1684
01:14:37,930 --> 01:14:39,479
mentioned in exhibit C1 and

1685
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,170
exhibit D1 of the residential overlay district and this

1686
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:43,460
site plan complies with

1687
01:14:43,460 --> 01:14:47,670
all of them staff recommends approval for this site plan I

1688
01:14:47,670 --> 01:14:48,840
'll stand for

1689
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:54,430
questions if you have any. Commissioner Beck. Thank you

1690
01:14:54,430 --> 01:14:56,680
chair. Could you go back to

1691
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:01,510
the overall site plan? I believe it was mentioned that the

1692
01:15:01,510 --> 01:15:02,279
steater was not going

1693
01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:05,850
to be accessible from any of the main roads there that

1694
01:15:05,850 --> 01:15:07,119
there's going to be

1695
01:15:07,119 --> 01:15:13,369
certain is that dark gray area there is that the okay what

1696
01:15:13,369 --> 01:15:14,720
's it connecting to on

1697
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:21,640
the I believe this will be heritage trail okay okay and it

1698
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:22,399
doesn't connect

1699
01:15:22,399 --> 01:15:27,680
anything west of that or north or anything like that I will

1700
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,359
request so it's

1701
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:35,600
either heritage trail or nothing I think we're gonna have

1702
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,479
to say no okay let's

1703
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,050
go through all this and I want to answer your questions

1704
01:15:41,050 --> 01:15:42,359
okay well I'll ask you

1705
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:54,680
after thank you. Any other questions for sketch staff

1706
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,039
outside of street

1707
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:01,180
connectivity anything along those lines? Commissioner Hesb

1708
01:16:01,180 --> 01:16:02,460
eth. I'm certain I'm

1709
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:05,340
missing it but I'm assuming there's some sort of bike rack

1710
01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:06,319
I mean we're gonna get

1711
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:08,949
I mean I saw back rack indicated at rooms to go I'm

1712
01:16:08,949 --> 01:16:09,800
assuming it's there I'm

1713
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:15,260
just missing it yes yes it is there okay thank you thank

1714
01:16:15,260 --> 01:16:17,159
you

1715
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,510
okay thank you for that presentation and that's going to

1716
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:28,960
move us to our public

1717
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:34,899
hearings section and I think Julie will be the presenter on

1718
01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:35,680
this.

1719
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:42,920
Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt planner with the City of Dent

1720
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,279
on and I'm gonna be

1721
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:51,670
presenting Z1626 to you Zimmer, Kubota and equipment. This

1722
01:16:51,670 --> 01:16:53,560
is Haley Zygursky's

1723
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,500
case so I'm a fill-in for her but we'll try to get all your

1724
01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:57,880
questions answered.

1725
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:02,260
Alright so the location of the of the request is along I-35

1726
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:03,439
it's on the west

1727
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,500
side of I-35 it's north of University University is down in

1728
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:10,039
this location and

1729
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:15,560
north of Windsor south of the loop 288 more toward the

1730
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:15,920
north toward the north

1731
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,920
it is 450 feet north of Schuller Street and it has

1732
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,000
approximately 1600 feet of

1733
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,529
frontage along the 35 corridor. So the request before you

1734
01:17:28,529 --> 01:17:29,199
is to consider

1735
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,689
making a recommendation to City Council regarding a rez

1736
01:17:31,689 --> 01:17:32,800
oning for this property

1737
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:37,800
from RCCN regional center commercial neighborhood to RCCD

1738
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:38,600
which is regional

1739
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,840
center commercial downtown. The property is approximately

1740
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,199
eight acres. So the

1741
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:49,210
current zoning and development pattern is shown in front of

1742
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:50,159
you and it's a

1743
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,100
little it's a little complicated so we'll we'll go over it

1744
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:53,880
so here's the

1745
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,680
subject property right here along I-35 as you can see it is

1746
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:58,920
the RCCN zoning and

1747
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,750
much of the surrounding area around it is the RCCN and that

1748
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:04,439
area is

1749
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,760
undeveloped agricultural land. To the north you have some R

1750
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,239
CCD it's this

1751
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:15,409
darker purple there's some next to I-35 and then adjacent

1752
01:18:15,409 --> 01:18:17,600
to the property. Across

1753
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,770
I-35 there's NRMU and then to the south is also RCCN it is

1754
01:18:22,770 --> 01:18:23,319
the Denton

1755
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:25,399
Educational Center that's what it's developed with so there

1756
01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:25,800
's a lot of

1757
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,359
undeveloped land around the property with some development

1758
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:32,640
interspersed.

1759
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,210
The future land use for the subject property is business

1760
01:18:36,210 --> 01:18:37,079
innovation and I

1761
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:40,649
know we've been over this before but the the goal of

1762
01:18:40,649 --> 01:18:42,079
business innovation is to

1763
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:47,390
encourage a big office campus for R&D or or light

1764
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:50,880
manufacturing or or some sort

1765
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:56,489
of employment center and then the associated retail uses

1766
01:18:56,489 --> 01:18:57,960
that you would

1767
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:02,420
need near an office center so so this is really encouraging

1768
01:19:02,420 --> 01:19:03,600
you know business

1769
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:09,449
use office use and also retail uses as well. So when we

1770
01:19:09,449 --> 01:19:11,880
look at the analysis of

1771
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:17,050
the site the rezoning to RCCD is logical for this site it

1772
01:19:17,050 --> 01:19:19,399
is they're proposing to

1773
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:22,649
go to a zoning district that is in the same family of what

1774
01:19:22,649 --> 01:19:24,239
's existing it's

1775
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,350
existing at RCCN and they're wanting to go to the next

1776
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:28,760
highest classification

1777
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:34,220
with it within that family of zoning districts. Although R

1778
01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:35,479
CCD really doesn't

1779
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,960
conform to the future land use we do sort of see this

1780
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,119
especially its location

1781
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:49,260
on I-35 that the proposed RCCD is appropriate you want to

1782
01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:50,279
see those types

1783
01:19:50,279 --> 01:19:52,739
of commercial uses on I-35 particularly when they've got

1784
01:19:52,739 --> 01:19:53,880
that much frontage on

1785
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,600
I-35 that kind of visibility lends to a more commercial use

1786
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,039
. So although RCCD

1787
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:01,989
really doesn't fit the business innovation it does it does

1788
01:20:01,989 --> 01:20:02,399
fit the

1789
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:04,739
location and the character of what you want to see in that

1790
01:20:04,739 --> 01:20:06,279
area and and really

1791
01:20:06,279 --> 01:20:10,199
a commercial or mixed use future land use would probably be

1792
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:11,239
more appropriate in

1793
01:20:11,239 --> 01:20:16,880
this area. And additionally business innovation you tend to

1794
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:17,239
want to see

1795
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:20,810
really large tracks because you want to see that corporate

1796
01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:21,319
campus type

1797
01:20:21,319 --> 01:20:26,149
development. Being only eight acres you know something like

1798
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:27,680
an ECC or so one of

1799
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,829
those zoning designations really wouldn't necessarily be

1800
01:20:29,829 --> 01:20:30,439
appropriate in

1801
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,590
this area because they really don't have the land to

1802
01:20:32,590 --> 01:20:35,520
develop it in that manner.

1803
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,899
It's not on my slide but I'll just say a little further

1804
01:20:38,899 --> 01:20:40,439
when when a request

1805
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:45,689
doesn't meet the the future land use designation that that

1806
01:20:45,689 --> 01:20:47,039
is shown in the

1807
01:20:47,039 --> 01:20:50,329
Denton plan we have additional criteria that we look at and

1808
01:20:50,329 --> 01:20:51,199
that's in your

1809
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:54,340
backup and we did go through those criteria for approval

1810
01:20:54,340 --> 01:20:55,079
and and the

1811
01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:58,649
request did meet the criteria for approval for that.

1812
01:20:58,649 --> 01:20:59,560
Furthermore there is

1813
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,539
an environmentally sensitive area on the property. Just

1814
01:21:02,539 --> 01:21:04,960
want to let you know if if

1815
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,210
if and when it develops it would still have to comply with

1816
01:21:08,210 --> 01:21:09,640
the sub chapter 17

1817
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,529
requirements of environmentally sensitive areas. They

1818
01:21:12,529 --> 01:21:13,840
couldn't impact it

1819
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,560
and if they did propose to impact it they would have to

1820
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,119
seek approval of an

1821
01:21:19,119 --> 01:21:22,909
alternate environmentally sensitive area plan which

1822
01:21:22,909 --> 01:21:24,399
requires the public hearing

1823
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:26,800
process and approval a recommendation from you and then

1824
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:27,600
approval by City

1825
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:32,079
Council. And so because of because of the location because

1826
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:33,960
of the character of the

1827
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,680
type of development in this area staff probably would like

1828
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:38,960
to look at a future

1829
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,399
land use map revision in the future for this area. Here is

1830
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:44,840
a picture of the

1831
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,840
subject property. Public notification was sent out. We have

1832
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,319
received one letter in

1833
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:57,170
response and it was in favor. So based upon the criteria

1834
01:21:57,170 --> 01:21:58,279
for approval in sub

1835
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:02,850
chapter 3 of the Denton development and the the Denton plan

1836
01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:04,439
2030 staff does

1837
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:09,460
recommend approval of the request and I will stand for any

1838
01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:10,479
questions.

1839
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:15,710
Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. The business is just

1840
01:22:15,710 --> 01:22:17,720
north of this location.

1841
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:22,960
They're in that CCD so they're obviously the types of

1842
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,079
businesses along

1843
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:28,640
Kimmich-Voto and then from there further north it's just

1844
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:29,720
all open if I

1845
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:35,239
remember how that is all the way up to loop 288 I believe.

1846
01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:35,760
I think you're right. Yes sir.

1847
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,659
And for what it's worth just throwing out there I don't see

1848
01:22:39,659 --> 01:22:40,720
why we don't in

1849
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:46,989
fact consider rezoning all that our CCD. I don't we've

1850
01:22:46,989 --> 01:22:49,399
already started the lay of

1851
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:51,680
the land so to speak with these type of industries so it

1852
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,119
might not be a bad idea

1853
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:58,119
maybe that's something we can sit around our DCC changes.

1854
01:22:58,119 --> 01:23:00,199
Yes. Okay in your backup

1855
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:06,449
material on considerations for the cost of the city and

1856
01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:06,920
other governmental

1857
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,060
entities and providing improved increasing or maintaining

1858
01:23:10,060 --> 01:23:10,640
public

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01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,520
utility school and as you pointed out the request would not

1860
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:15,399
substantially

1861
01:23:15,399 --> 01:23:18,970
impact the cost to the city in providing these services so

1862
01:23:18,970 --> 01:23:20,000
are are you talking

1863
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,920
specifically about Zimmerman-Coboto here or if we wanted to

1864
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:25,920
do some more of these

1865
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,550
type of developments along that stretch would we then be

1866
01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:30,880
impacting city cost?

1867
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,189
That is a good question and when we look at a rezoning case

1868
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:35,960
we really try to to

1869
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,750
remove the specific request from it and just look at the

1870
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:41,239
zoning district and

1871
01:23:41,239 --> 01:23:44,829
what those permitted uses are. You know this site as well

1872
01:23:44,829 --> 01:23:46,119
as many similar sites

1873
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:49,689
do you have access to 35 so there's already transportation

1874
01:23:49,689 --> 01:23:50,079
infrastructure in

1875
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:53,420
the area of course when any and when anyone wants to

1876
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:55,199
develop and plat they

1877
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:57,840
would have to make sure that they are served by water and

1878
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:58,840
sewer so that would

1879
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:03,420
all that would all be a factor during platting but but you

1880
01:24:03,420 --> 01:24:04,920
know staff feels

1881
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:10,819
the RCCD would be you know would be appropriate given given

1882
01:24:10,819 --> 01:24:12,199
the the existing

1883
01:24:12,199 --> 01:24:17,970
infrastructure of the I-35 Road there. So okay. Thanks.

1884
01:24:17,970 --> 01:24:20,640
Julie I think the other point that we found as we did

1885
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,470
this analysis was that the business innovation land use is

1886
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:26,920
actually geared

1887
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:31,500
towards large sites which this is a smaller site than what

1888
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:32,279
could accommodate

1889
01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:36,369
what we what we would like to see so that's another factor

1890
01:24:36,369 --> 01:24:37,399
that led to that

1891
01:24:37,399 --> 01:24:45,079
recommendation. Okay any other questions for staff?

1892
01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:49,840
I'll make a comment kind of on the back of Commissioner

1893
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,479
Beck I know I think

1894
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,869
there have been several properties that have come before us

1895
01:24:53,869 --> 01:24:54,399
in this area

1896
01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:58,199
slightly to the south. I don't know how active our sub

1897
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:00,920
committee is for the city

1898
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:05,869
initiated rezoning cases this might be one of those other

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01:25:05,869 --> 01:25:07,680
areas just slightly

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01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,119
north of where I think we were already looking at sites to

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01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:11,920
be looked at. Do we

1902
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,819
have any members that are on that subcommittee here they

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01:25:15,819 --> 01:25:17,319
want to speak up?

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01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:21,529
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair I concur that this is

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01:25:21,529 --> 01:25:22,520
an excellent area

1906
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:27,039
for consideration that subcommittee has not met in in

1907
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:27,880
several months probably

1908
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:33,159
five or six months so if we can get to meeting again we

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01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:34,600
could definitely

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01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:40,850
consider this area. Chair may I contribute to this

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01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:42,319
conversation I'm

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01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:46,399
Monal Molodod director of development services. We have

1913
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:47,399
been attempting to

1914
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:50,970
coordinate a joint meeting with the City Council as you

1915
01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:51,880
know we have also

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01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:56,140
enlisted Clarion services to work on our program and our

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01:25:56,140 --> 01:25:57,720
zoning districts and

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01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:02,119
what have you so we do anticipate a way forward with a

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01:26:02,119 --> 01:26:03,319
program chart to provide

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01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:05,949
to our subcommittee obviously as well as the PNZ and

1921
01:26:05,949 --> 01:26:07,439
ultimately the City Council

1922
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:13,319
on how we're going to proceed with this item. Thank you for

1923
01:26:13,319 --> 01:26:22,600
the update. Thank you

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01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:28,710
Julie. The last item that we have obviously is noted this

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01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:29,600
item has been

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01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:34,460
withdrawn that's the unified gas well plan so with that I

1927
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:35,960
believe that is all

1928
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,140
the items for clarification in our work session. Is that

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01:26:39,140 --> 01:26:42,600
correct? Yes. As such I'm going to

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close our work session at 6 o'clock and we'll reconvene in

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01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,000
council chambers at

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01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:58,479
630. Thank you. Good evening and welcome to the City of

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01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:59,479
Denton planning and

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01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,829
zoning Commission meeting for January the 11th 2017. This

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01:27:03,829 --> 01:27:05,239
meeting has been duly

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01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:08,119
posted and we do have a quorum present and I'm gonna call

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01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,319
our meeting to order

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01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:13,529
at 630. Our first order of business will be to stand and

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01:27:13,529 --> 01:27:14,319
give the pledge to the

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US and the Texas flag.

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01:27:44,319 --> 01:27:56,399
Our next item on our agenda this evening will be to

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01:27:56,399 --> 01:27:57,640
consider the approval of the

1943
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,600
planning and zoning Commission meeting minutes. I don't

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01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:01,840
believe in our work

1945
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:06,050
session we had any changes to either set of minutes so the

1946
01:28:06,050 --> 01:28:06,880
chair would entertain

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01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:14,789
a motion for both sets of minutes for approval.

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Commissioner Taylor. Second

1949
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,279
Commissioner Beck. Second. Okay. I have a motion for

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01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:25,399
approval of both the November

1951
01:28:25,399 --> 01:28:33,840
30th 2016 and the December 14 2016 minutes as reported. Any

1952
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:34,640
discussion or

1953
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,850
clarification? Seeing none I'll call for Commissioner

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01:28:38,850 --> 01:28:41,720
Sullivan. I'm sorry.

1955
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,739
Well let's thank you for bringing that to our attention.

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01:28:48,739 --> 01:28:50,600
Let's I will ask

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01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:55,770
Commissioner Taylor to restate his motion and two separate.

1958
01:28:55,770 --> 01:28:57,359
We'll do the

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01:28:57,359 --> 01:29:03,739
November 30th first and then we'll proceed. Thank you. Okay

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01:29:03,739 --> 01:29:05,520
so let me get

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01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:13,069
the item back up. I move approval of the November 30th 2016

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01:29:13,069 --> 01:29:13,979
minutes of the

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01:29:13,979 --> 01:29:18,189
planning and zoning Commission. Second Commissioner Beck.

1964
01:29:18,189 --> 01:29:21,960
The chair will second.

1965
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:27,239
Any discussion on that item? Seeing none I'll call for a

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01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,199
vote on the board.

1967
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:43,430
Motion carries 5-0 with one recuse. Commissioner Taylor. I

1968
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:44,399
move we approve

1969
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:48,720
our December 14 2016 minutes. Commissioner Ellis. I will

1970
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:49,560
second that.

1971
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:55,600
Approval for December 14th. Any discussion or questions?

1972
01:29:57,039 --> 01:29:59,550
Commissioner Sullivan's names up. Is that just an error

1973
01:29:59,550 --> 01:30:01,039
still on the board here?

1974
01:30:01,039 --> 01:30:06,560
Okay. Call for a vote on the board.

1975
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,609
That motion will carry 5-0 with one recuse. That will take

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01:30:17,609 --> 01:30:19,079
us to our consent

1977
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:28,159
agenda. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve the consent

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01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,039
agenda. Okay.

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01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,270
Commissioner Ellis. Second. Okay I have a first and a

1980
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:37,319
second for approval. Any

1981
01:30:37,319 --> 01:30:45,880
discussion? Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board.

1982
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:57,029
Motion carries 6-0. That will take us to item 4 on our

1983
01:30:57,029 --> 01:31:01,199
agenda. Individual

1984
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:07,449
consideration items. We'll call on Julie White for

1985
01:31:07,449 --> 01:31:12,800
presentation of GDP 16-0002.

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01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,949
Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt. Excuse me. Senior planner

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01:31:21,949 --> 01:31:25,960
with the City of Denton.

1988
01:31:26,039 --> 01:31:29,630
The request before you is a general development plan for

1989
01:31:29,630 --> 01:31:31,439
approximately 340

1990
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:36,939
acres. The property is located on the west side of town

1991
01:31:36,939 --> 01:31:39,359
just north northwest of

1992
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:43,130
the Denton Enterprise Airport and based upon the criteria

1993
01:31:43,130 --> 01:31:44,479
that we talked about

1994
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:48,689
within the work session. Staff does recommend approval. I

1995
01:31:48,689 --> 01:31:49,600
'll stand for any

1996
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,569
questions. The applicant is here and if you want to go over

1997
01:31:52,569 --> 01:31:53,600
any elements of the

1998
01:31:53,600 --> 01:32:00,069
presentation I'll be happy to do that. Any questions for

1999
01:32:00,069 --> 01:32:01,760
staff?

2000
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,750
Hold on a second Julie. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair

2001
01:32:08,750 --> 01:32:10,600
. Julie knowing that

2002
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,229
there's a large floodplain here and and there's a lot of

2003
01:32:13,229 --> 01:32:14,319
flooding in this area

2004
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:17,220
do you know what kind of studies have been done before we

2005
01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:19,640
established this? I'm

2006
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,890
gonna call either Earl Escobar or the applicant up for them

2007
01:32:22,890 --> 01:32:23,720
to address that

2008
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:34,369
question. There is an existing floodplain located to the

2009
01:32:34,369 --> 01:32:35,319
believe that on the west

2010
01:32:35,319 --> 01:32:38,529
side as well as the east side and they are both studied

2011
01:32:38,529 --> 01:32:40,119
floodplains so there is

2012
01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:43,840
an established water surface elevation along those two cree

2013
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:44,399
ks and the

2014
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:47,739
developments not going to impact those floodplains either

2015
01:32:47,739 --> 01:32:49,439
through detention or

2016
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,810
and drainage or runoff from the development. I'm sorry. D

2017
01:32:53,810 --> 01:32:54,640
rain off or run

2018
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,600
it run off from the development as it's being developed and

2019
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:58,399
then once it's

2020
01:32:58,399 --> 01:33:02,119
developed is that going to be studied along the way? The

2021
01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:03,359
impact that that will

2022
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:06,449
have? I believe the applicant mentioned that during work

2023
01:33:06,449 --> 01:33:07,439
session that they were

2024
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,409
going to propose some sort of a pond either sedimentation

2025
01:33:10,409 --> 01:33:11,479
or detention pond

2026
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,550
as part of this development maybe to restrict the flow back

2027
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:15,279
to existing

2028
01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:18,850
conditions so I'll pop to rely on the applicant to

2029
01:33:18,850 --> 01:33:26,119
elaborate more on that. Any

2030
01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:30,229
other questions for staff? Would you like the applicant to

2031
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:31,199
come up and address

2032
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:39,670
that? Okay. I was going to go ahead I'm just gonna call

2033
01:33:39,670 --> 01:33:41,800
them next. I'm Gary Vickery

2034
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,750
with Tegan-Olin Perkins representing DME. I really hate to

2035
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:45,960
ask this but I'm not

2036
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:50,010
sure I heard the question right. My question we had to do

2037
01:33:50,010 --> 01:33:51,039
with the fact that

2038
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:54,609
there is a lot of flooding there's there's floodplain what

2039
01:33:54,609 --> 01:33:55,239
was the study

2040
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:59,300
done if there is any so far done to what the runoff from

2041
01:33:59,300 --> 01:34:00,560
the development will do

2042
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,770
or what once the development is in place? Okay. Will it

2043
01:34:04,770 --> 01:34:07,359
have impact? Okay we didn't

2044
01:34:07,359 --> 01:34:10,930
actually do a drainage study in terms of the streams

2045
01:34:10,930 --> 01:34:12,079
themselves we've done a

2046
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:14,470
couple of things though first of all we've made sure that

2047
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:15,319
we're keeping all

2048
01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:18,890
of our improvements outside of the floodplain of course

2049
01:34:18,890 --> 01:34:20,239
those ESAs associated

2050
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,720
with those floodplains we're staying away from those as

2051
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,359
well. We're directing

2052
01:34:24,359 --> 01:34:27,930
nearly all of the runoff from the developed portion will go

2053
01:34:27,930 --> 01:34:29,279
southwest into

2054
01:34:29,279 --> 01:34:34,340
a sediment pond before it's discharged into the into the

2055
01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:34,920
stream there are a

2056
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,489
couple of smaller storm drain systems that will will not go

2057
01:34:37,489 --> 01:34:38,159
through that

2058
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:41,310
sediment pond but for the most part they most of the runoff

2059
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:42,359
will go through that

2060
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:46,569
so that'll capture erosion sediment and that kind of thing

2061
01:34:46,569 --> 01:34:47,720
long term not just

2062
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,539
during construction of course during construction we have

2063
01:34:50,539 --> 01:34:51,359
all of our erosion

2064
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:56,819
control devices out there to stop erosion during

2065
01:34:56,819 --> 01:34:59,680
construction and then as

2066
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:04,239
far as amount of runoff what we really look at in a in a

2067
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:05,800
site like this this

2068
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,369
is a huge watershed that goes up several miles up if I

2069
01:35:09,369 --> 01:35:11,479
remember correctly the

2070
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,329
the runoff from from this site will reach that stream long

2071
01:35:15,329 --> 01:35:16,479
before the peak

2072
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,939
hits the stream so in engineering speak we think of what we

2073
01:35:19,939 --> 01:35:20,760
call coincident

2074
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,329
peaks where what's most important from a flooding

2075
01:35:24,329 --> 01:35:25,840
standpoint is what's the peak

2076
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:30,050
the most water that's in the stream and although this this

2077
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:31,560
project will increase

2078
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,359
the total volume it won't increase the flow rate into the

2079
01:35:35,359 --> 01:35:37,399
stream so it it'll be

2080
01:35:37,399 --> 01:35:40,369
the water will leave this site be in the stream and be way

2081
01:35:40,369 --> 01:35:41,600
downstream before the

2082
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,319
real peak gets here so from a flooding perspective this has

2083
01:35:45,319 --> 01:35:46,439
no impact on the on

2084
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:53,159
the on the stream thank you

2085
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,939
this is an individual consideration item I don't have any

2086
01:35:59,939 --> 01:36:01,359
cards so if there's

2087
01:36:01,359 --> 01:36:05,369
anyone who'd like to speak on this item please come forward

2088
01:36:05,369 --> 01:36:06,800
this time state your

2089
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,350
name and address and then before you leave we'll need to

2090
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:10,199
get a card filled

2091
01:36:10,199 --> 01:36:13,920
out from you sure my name is Paul Meltzer I live at 1914

2092
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:14,840
West Oak Street I

2093
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,409
would just like to state some things that I think are

2094
01:36:18,409 --> 01:36:20,000
apparent to everyone

2095
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,439
that this project in total is the largest expenditure in

2096
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,439
Denton's history

2097
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:31,270
that it was passed very narrowly by council there was a

2098
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:32,239
determination made

2099
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:35,220
that no public vote was needed which might be legally true

2100
01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:36,159
but we know that

2101
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:40,859
what the legal minimum is is necessarily what's the best

2102
01:36:40,859 --> 01:36:43,399
thing to do I think if

2103
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:46,970
there were public support for it there may well have been a

2104
01:36:46,970 --> 01:36:48,479
vote called but I

2105
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,659
think the the fact that this is a town that voted 59

2106
01:36:51,659 --> 01:36:53,159
percent to ban fracking

2107
01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:56,100
probably gives some indication that there would have been

2108
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:56,880
resistance to

2109
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:01,430
building a frack gas plant so knowing that also knowing

2110
01:37:01,430 --> 01:37:03,319
that three of the four

2111
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:07,560
votes that went for it or were cast by people are not going

2112
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,119
to be on council in

2113
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:12,239
a matter of months doesn't mean that the outcome will be

2114
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:12,920
different but it does

2115
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,270
mean that there's at least some reasonable probability that

2116
01:37:16,270 --> 01:37:16,800
that the

2117
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,609
process will get re-looked at so that you know other

2118
01:37:19,609 --> 01:37:20,800
alternatives can be

2119
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,760
investigated expertly that were not investigated in the

2120
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:25,279
past go-around

2121
01:37:25,279 --> 01:37:30,239
knowing that I would just encourage you know in whatever

2122
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:32,000
basis of expertise

2123
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:43,289
you'll have a go very slow approach thank you thank you any

2124
01:37:43,289 --> 01:37:44,439
other individuals

2125
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:52,289
that would like to speak on this item seeing none the chair

2126
01:37:52,289 --> 01:37:53,720
would entertain a

2127
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,640
motion or open the floor for discussion

2128
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:17,649
commissioner Taylor excuse me thank you chair there are

2129
01:38:17,649 --> 01:38:20,119
obviously a lot of other

2130
01:38:20,119 --> 01:38:23,689
things outside of the planning and zoning aspect of this

2131
01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:24,920
project that that

2132
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,880
citizens may have concerns about and you know as I as I

2133
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:29,920
serve on this

2134
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:34,270
commission and in any in every case I hear I try and apply

2135
01:38:34,270 --> 01:38:35,880
basically the rule

2136
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,699
of law that everybody is treated fairly all applicants and

2137
01:38:38,699 --> 01:38:39,640
applications all

2138
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,720
projects are treated fairly and our requirements are that

2139
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:43,640
you must meet our

2140
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,729
standards and if you meet our standards then you can get

2141
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:48,279
your plat you can you

2142
01:38:48,279 --> 01:38:51,850
know you can get your building permit so forth and so on in

2143
01:38:51,850 --> 01:38:55,880
this case I I feel

2144
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,010
like the plat the preliminary plat which is not what we're

2145
01:38:58,010 --> 01:38:58,880
talking about at this

2146
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:02,619
exact moment but we will be in a minute is lacking some

2147
01:39:02,619 --> 01:39:03,840
detail that will be

2148
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,210
there in the final plat I think will help answer some

2149
01:39:06,210 --> 01:39:08,239
questions but as far as

2150
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:12,239
this general development plan goes if this were you know

2151
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:13,760
any private company

2152
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,439
we couldn't reasonably uphold or you know hold them up

2153
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,880
because we're not sure

2154
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,359
about or we know maybe there's questions about whether or

2155
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:24,300
not the citizens like

2156
01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:28,960
the company or like the goals of the project they they meet

2157
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:30,199
our laws and so

2158
01:39:30,199 --> 01:39:33,920
for that reason I'm going to move approval of the general

2159
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,439
development plan

2160
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:47,109
and a motion on the floor we have a second commissioner

2161
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:49,479
husband second we

2162
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:55,520
have a first and a second for approval any discussion

2163
01:39:59,039 --> 01:40:03,359
seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board

2164
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:14,170
motion carries six to zero I want to pause for a minute for

2165
01:40:14,170 --> 01:40:15,159
a housekeeping

2166
01:40:15,159 --> 01:40:19,039
item that I neglected at the beginning of our meeting we

2167
01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:20,359
have an item on the

2168
01:40:20,359 --> 01:40:25,680
very last item of our agenda in public hearings item B PZ

2169
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,680
17 - 0 1 0 which is to

2170
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:34,270
hold a public hearing for the unified gas well plan for Ro

2171
01:40:34,270 --> 01:40:36,399
bson Ranch that item

2172
01:40:36,399 --> 01:40:39,039
has been withdrawn so if there's anyone here that is

2173
01:40:39,039 --> 01:40:40,359
waiting for this item I

2174
01:40:40,359 --> 01:40:42,239
just want to make the announcement that that has been

2175
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:43,159
withdrawn because it is

2176
01:40:43,159 --> 01:40:45,930
going to be our last item on our agenda and it has been

2177
01:40:45,930 --> 01:40:48,279
withdrawn so with that

2178
01:40:48,279 --> 01:40:58,149
announcement I'm going to move on to item 4B and I will

2179
01:40:58,149 --> 01:41:00,000
call on Julie Wyatt

2180
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:07,159
for presentation of PB PP 16 - 0 0 2 1

2181
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:13,439
your planner with the city of Denton presenting PP 16 - 0 1

2182
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:14,640
this is a

2183
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:18,720
preliminary plot for the Denton Energy Center and it the

2184
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:20,199
boundaries of this

2185
01:41:20,199 --> 01:41:24,720
preliminary plot are are the same boundaries as phase one

2186
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:25,720
of the GDP that

2187
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:30,760
was just considered so I'll stand for any questions and the

2188
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,359
applicant is here

2189
01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:42,119
any questions for staff? Commissioner Tyler. Thank you

2190
01:41:42,119 --> 01:41:43,039
thank you chair I'll just

2191
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:47,000
reiterate my concerns from the from the work session about

2192
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,500
the size and scale of

2193
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:51,710
lot one block A that it is all-inclusive whenever only

2194
01:41:51,710 --> 01:41:53,199
about 15% of its plan to

2195
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:56,770
be developed and a lack of detail on circulation

2196
01:41:56,770 --> 01:41:58,520
transportation and I expect

2197
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,199
all those you know they have to be there for the final plot

2198
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:01,720
but it would have been

2199
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:09,039
nice to see them at this time. Any other questions for

2200
01:42:09,039 --> 01:42:11,079
staff? Commissioner Ellis.

2201
01:42:11,079 --> 01:42:15,159
Thank you chair okay to piggyback on Commissioner Taylor is

2202
01:42:15,159 --> 01:42:16,600
there is there a

2203
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,539
reason that we did it this way or that the applicant did it

2204
01:42:19,539 --> 01:42:20,960
this way with lot

2205
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,270
one being so large? If you don't mind I'll call the

2206
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:24,439
applicant down for him to answer

2207
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:26,800
that.

2208
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:35,810
The reason that we well I guess the question is why do we

2209
01:42:35,810 --> 01:42:38,800
have just a single

2210
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,369
lot if I understand correctly and the reason is because we

2211
01:42:42,369 --> 01:42:43,399
have a single use

2212
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:47,180
at this time as I understand that we don't have any plans

2213
01:42:47,180 --> 01:42:48,239
for any of that

2214
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:53,119
property around with within that hundred and what is 170

2215
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:54,560
acres in lot one we

2216
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:54,560
don't have any plans for anything else so there really wasn

2217
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,000
't a need one of the

2218
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,510
things we liked about this property besides its situation

2219
01:43:00,510 --> 01:43:00,920
close to

2220
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,489
transmission lines and gas lines was that there's a lot of

2221
01:43:04,489 --> 01:43:05,520
room between what

2222
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:10,350
we propose and neighbors the closest we are to a property

2223
01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:12,560
line is 550 feet on

2224
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:18,840
the south to which is farmland so we really the to carve it

2225
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:19,800
into more lots

2226
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,159
would would suggest that we'd have to think of how would we

2227
01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:24,159
want to use this

2228
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:28,180
where those lots would make any sense if we wanted to use

2229
01:43:28,180 --> 01:43:29,680
that south portion

2230
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,649
below the energy center if we were going to do something

2231
01:43:32,649 --> 01:43:34,239
with that that would be

2232
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:38,159
inconsistent with this use we would want to carve out a lot

2233
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:39,159
but since we don't

2234
01:43:39,159 --> 01:43:42,270
have any of those uses in mind there really wasn't any

2235
01:43:42,270 --> 01:43:43,319
value in having lots

2236
01:43:43,319 --> 01:43:46,659
that would only constrain us if we did come in want to do

2237
01:43:46,659 --> 01:43:47,960
something different

2238
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,529
than we had thought earlier if that makes sense I'm I'm

2239
01:43:51,529 --> 01:43:52,359
afraid I'm starting

2240
01:43:52,359 --> 01:44:00,840
to ramble they may have been one more question for you

2241
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:01,520
Commissioner back

2242
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:05,479
thank you chair nobody knows what the future holds but if

2243
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:06,479
all the stars were

2244
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:10,199
aligned ideally from my perspective you know there may be a

2245
01:44:10,199 --> 01:44:11,359
time down the road

2246
01:44:11,359 --> 01:44:15,079
when we may convert to another type of energy renewable

2247
01:44:15,079 --> 01:44:16,399
energy and this was

2248
01:44:16,399 --> 01:44:20,670
discussed and all the discussions that went on months

2249
01:44:20,670 --> 01:44:22,640
before this that in that

2250
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:29,390
case say where there was stored energy that that land would

2251
01:44:29,390 --> 01:44:30,560
be necessary to

2252
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:37,239
build those battery backups so is that if that was the case

2253
01:44:37,239 --> 01:44:39,760
would there what

2254
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,460
we're approving today would there be a need to replant

2255
01:44:42,460 --> 01:44:43,600
anything for that or

2256
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,170
would that be a part of the existing didn't energy center

2257
01:44:47,170 --> 01:44:48,880
this is a little bit

2258
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,050
of speculation on my part and said re-enlight correct me if

2259
01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:52,680
I'm wrong my

2260
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,500
understanding is if we wanted to use part of the property

2261
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:56,439
for that kind of a

2262
01:44:56,439 --> 01:45:00,399
use it would still be consistent with the zoning so we

2263
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:01,439
would be able to do that

2264
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:05,649
but we would have to come back with a site plan and a site

2265
01:45:05,649 --> 01:45:07,039
plan permit and a

2266
01:45:07,039 --> 01:45:10,140
building permit so that we would go through the entire

2267
01:45:10,140 --> 01:45:11,439
process again in that

2268
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:15,010
respect I would not think we would need to plant it as a

2269
01:45:15,010 --> 01:45:16,600
separate lot if it's

2270
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,359
still say an energy use owned by the city then there wouldn

2271
01:45:19,359 --> 01:45:20,239
't really be much

2272
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:23,029
reason to plant a separate lot but we would have to come

2273
01:45:23,029 --> 01:45:24,199
back for approval for

2274
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:28,560
that kind of a use okay great thank you

2275
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:34,319
any other questions for the applicant

2276
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:42,920
thank you sir unless there any other questions or

2277
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:44,000
discussion on this item the

2278
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,560
chair would entertain a motion

2279
01:45:52,399 --> 01:46:02,220
Commissioner Hushman I move approval of this item PP 16 - 0

2280
01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:05,600
2 1 chair will second

2281
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,279
any discussion

2282
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:14,279
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair just one clarification

2283
01:46:14,279 --> 01:46:16,239
on the plaid the owner

2284
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:21,409
shows Eagle Farms Inc does the city of Denton own it and it

2285
01:46:21,409 --> 01:46:22,000
was that just a

2286
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,869
timing thing with when when this was started yes as a

2287
01:46:27,869 --> 01:46:31,640
matter of fact the city

2288
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:36,680
has acquired that property since the plat was submitted I

2289
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:41,119
'll make a comment I

2290
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:44,869
know there's a number of concerns about the site and the

2291
01:46:44,869 --> 01:46:46,279
location of what's

2292
01:46:46,279 --> 01:46:49,539
going on it and I just think the city has done a good job

2293
01:46:49,539 --> 01:46:50,880
in my observation of

2294
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,880
where they've chosen to locate the site in regards to

2295
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:56,880
future housing with flood

2296
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,449
plain to the east with flood plain to the west with the

2297
01:47:00,449 --> 01:47:01,560
airport I think it

2298
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:06,630
makes a for all the controversy that there's been I think

2299
01:47:06,630 --> 01:47:08,119
it is a good move

2300
01:47:08,119 --> 01:47:12,649
on the city's part to take into consideration what concerns

2301
01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:14,039
for residents

2302
01:47:14,039 --> 01:47:17,760
around this facility and I think long term it's a great

2303
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,199
location because of

2304
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:22,770
some of the natural things that are around it next to the

2305
01:47:22,770 --> 01:47:23,800
loop that they're

2306
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:27,369
the possibility of a large number of homes and things being

2307
01:47:27,369 --> 01:47:28,279
next to this site

2308
01:47:28,279 --> 01:47:33,229
is very limited so with that I'm going to call for a vote

2309
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:34,800
and I'll be supporting

2310
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,840
this measure this evening

2311
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:57,449
the motion carries six zero okay that will move us to item

2312
01:47:57,449 --> 01:48:01,560
4 C and I will call

2313
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:09,159
on the museum for presentation of SP 16 - zero zero one six

2314
01:48:09,159 --> 01:48:11,279
good evening I'm

2315
01:48:11,279 --> 01:48:17,399
Moussa I'm associate planner with the city of Denon this is

2316
01:48:17,399 --> 01:48:20,319
a site plan for

2317
01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:24,039
furniture store in the Residence development it is located

2318
01:48:24,039 --> 01:48:24,600
north of

2319
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:29,609
scripture Street and east of I 35 site plan meets the

2320
01:48:29,609 --> 01:48:31,119
requirements of the

2321
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:33,210
architectural standards landscape standards and all other

2322
01:48:33,210 --> 01:48:33,840
standards in the

2323
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:37,210
Residence overlay district and if you have any questions

2324
01:48:37,210 --> 01:48:38,399
the staff recommends

2325
01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:40,949
approval for this project if you have any questions I'll

2326
01:48:40,949 --> 01:48:41,600
stand for any

2327
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,909
questions I think we'll have some questions Commissioner

2328
01:48:45,909 --> 01:48:46,880
Beck thank you

2329
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:50,760
chair I think I had my question satisfactorily answered

2330
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:51,439
about paying

2331
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:57,439
the industry but the requirement for parking spaces only

2332
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,159
called for 54 spaces

2333
01:48:59,159 --> 01:49:07,850
and yet they're gonna be getting 135 parking spaces so why

2334
01:49:07,850 --> 01:49:09,479
so the Residence

2335
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,050
overlay district don't have parking maximums so there is no

2336
01:49:13,050 --> 01:49:14,079
maximum limit

2337
01:49:14,079 --> 01:49:20,329
for parking okay just as long provided they've got the the

2338
01:49:20,329 --> 01:49:25,239
land use okay

2339
01:49:29,399 --> 01:49:33,609
Commissioner Tyler thank you chair in all of the razor

2340
01:49:33,609 --> 01:49:36,800
ranch overlay there

2341
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,680
isn't a parking requirement there is but there is minimum

2342
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:40,880
parking requirements

2343
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,510
but no parking maximums okay all right I know we've had so

2344
01:49:44,510 --> 01:49:46,159
many discussions about

2345
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:49,729
parking at razor ranch I'm just shocked by that out of

2346
01:49:49,729 --> 01:49:51,760
those 300 pages that none

2347
01:49:51,760 --> 01:50:00,520
of it covered maximum parking any other questions for staff

2348
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:01,560
Commissioner

2349
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:06,600
Husband can you if you would be so kind can you you're

2350
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:07,920
doing a great job by the

2351
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:12,960
way outstanding yeah Mike will be proud of you so can you

2352
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,079
pull up the the site

2353
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:21,989
that has other the graphic that shows the site plan so we

2354
01:50:21,989 --> 01:50:23,560
can talk about panhandle

2355
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:31,109
let me I like to call on the applicant to come here and see

2356
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:33,399
this thank you

2357
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,500
good evening Commissioners my name is Daniel Stewart I'm

2358
01:50:39,500 --> 01:50:41,159
with Kate's Clark and

2359
01:50:41,159 --> 01:50:45,720
Associates 14800 quorum drive in Dallas Texas represent the

2360
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:46,960
civil engineer on

2361
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,470
behalf of the owner and I'd be happy to answer any

2362
01:50:49,470 --> 01:50:51,159
questions you have got it and

2363
01:50:51,159 --> 01:50:53,789
your name again I'm sorry Daniel Stewart day yes thank you

2364
01:50:53,789 --> 01:50:55,199
so can you can you

2365
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,770
just give me a day in the life of panhandle as this project

2366
01:50:57,770 --> 01:50:58,920
kind of grows

2367
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:03,750
I'm just curious and pointedly and we we touched on a

2368
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:04,680
briefly and work session

2369
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,909
but just want to kind of understand it better I see panhand

2370
01:51:08,909 --> 01:51:10,800
le and I see an on

2371
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:15,170
ramp and that's naturally tempting to me to cross all those

2372
01:51:15,170 --> 01:51:16,079
lanes and just jump

2373
01:51:16,079 --> 01:51:18,460
on the highway to avoid University Drive I understand that

2374
01:51:18,460 --> 01:51:19,239
's not going to be the

2375
01:51:19,239 --> 01:51:21,869
case but can you just walk us through how that's going to

2376
01:51:21,869 --> 01:51:22,760
function sure be

2377
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:25,399
happy to and you are correct that's not going to happen at

2378
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:28,720
least today anyway the

2379
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:31,479
plan right now is it's been coordinated with text dot is

2380
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:32,479
panhandle will be built

2381
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:35,819
with a right in and so in other words if you're on the

2382
01:51:35,819 --> 01:51:37,760
interstate 35 frontage

2383
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,630
road you can turn right on to panhandle it will not be

2384
01:51:40,630 --> 01:51:42,079
built with an exit as

2385
01:51:42,079 --> 01:51:48,520
today when tech stop comes in and is able to improve the 35

2386
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:49,960
corridor once

2387
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,720
they move that on ramp then we'll be allowed to come in on

2388
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:53,640
panhandle and make

2389
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:57,850
that exit on to from panhandle to the 35th or frontage road

2390
01:51:57,850 --> 01:51:59,079
so it'll be a

2391
01:51:59,079 --> 01:52:03,909
phased improvement thank you you're welcome sure

2392
01:52:03,909 --> 01:52:07,199
Commissioner Taylor so once

2393
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:11,760
people get to the store how do they get out there's a

2394
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,640
master developers here and

2395
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,979
he has a cycling he might be able to share with you but

2396
01:52:16,979 --> 01:52:18,520
there's an access

2397
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:22,090
drive that we're going to be built concurrently with our

2398
01:52:22,090 --> 01:52:22,840
project that you

2399
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:25,630
see on the east side it's labeled the future access it's

2400
01:52:25,630 --> 01:52:26,560
kind of in gray on

2401
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:30,979
this site plan but that will be built concurrently with our

2402
01:52:30,979 --> 01:52:32,239
site work and so

2403
01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:35,189
anybody wanting to go north on 35 can take that access

2404
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:36,239
drive and there's I

2405
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:38,760
believe three other exit points to the frontage road that

2406
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:39,680
they can take to get

2407
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:44,039
back on the frontage road so this ties into the movie

2408
01:52:44,039 --> 01:52:46,239
theater parking lot is

2409
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:50,560
that the yes I mean it'll tie all together with the razor-

2410
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:50,640
edge

2411
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:54,880
infrastructure so you can go yeah let me prefer to him he

2412
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:56,560
knows the overall side

2413
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:02,039
a little bit better thank you my name is Scott Wagner with

2414
01:53:02,039 --> 01:53:02,640
red development

2415
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:06,210
represent the landowner developer of the overall project

2416
01:53:06,210 --> 01:53:07,439
and this is one of our

2417
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:11,329
projects rooms to go that will be acquiring the property

2418
01:53:11,329 --> 01:53:12,119
and developing

2419
01:53:12,119 --> 01:53:14,960
the furniture store we are responsible for building the

2420
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:15,920
infrastructure and the

2421
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:20,130
utilities and the driveways around the project I do have a

2422
01:53:20,130 --> 01:53:21,560
couple of exhibits if

2423
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:25,130
we can use the the eye in the sky that I think will be

2424
01:53:25,130 --> 01:53:26,520
helpful if you bear with

2425
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,630
me I'll go through two quickly because one's kind of

2426
01:53:29,630 --> 01:53:30,920
colored up I usually

2427
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:34,489
bring two or three with me and throughout my meetings each

2428
01:53:34,489 --> 01:53:34,880
every couple

2429
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,560
weeks I mark them all up so this one's clean and I'll start

2430
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:38,399
with that and I'll

2431
01:53:38,399 --> 01:53:47,199
go to a mark up version okay so probably blow back out a

2432
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:48,159
little bit just where

2433
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:52,720
you were that's the an overall conceptual site plan of

2434
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:54,520
razor ranch with

2435
01:53:54,520 --> 01:54:00,140
I 35 on this side University 380 at the top and then

2436
01:54:00,140 --> 01:54:03,239
heritage trail the

2437
01:54:03,239 --> 01:54:07,449
ownership that I represent we have now purchased some

2438
01:54:07,449 --> 01:54:09,399
additional land down here

2439
01:54:09,399 --> 01:54:13,359
in the last year so we effectively own and control and will

2440
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:14,239
operate that

2441
01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:18,779
approximately 130 acres of the shopping center between pan

2442
01:54:18,779 --> 01:54:20,319
handle future roadway

2443
01:54:20,319 --> 01:54:26,800
and University in between heritage and I 35 the rooms to go

2444
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,720
site is down here in

2445
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,479
the far southwest corner we're talking about the panhandle

2446
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:33,239
entrance and the

2447
01:54:33,239 --> 01:54:37,100
entrance the exit the ingress egress the exit would be

2448
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:40,239
along a roadway path

2449
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:44,329
exiting back out on die 35 here which is actually being

2450
01:54:44,329 --> 01:54:45,640
built for the hotel

2451
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:48,029
convention center so this is the hotel convention center

2452
01:54:48,029 --> 01:54:48,640
that's under

2453
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:52,210
construction if you've driven by lately it's about 11

2454
01:54:52,210 --> 01:54:54,479
stories tall we're

2455
01:54:54,479 --> 01:54:56,960
building the infrastructure for those folks as well so and

2456
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,159
then they'll have

2457
01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:01,729
another entrance here then of course the rest of the

2458
01:55:01,729 --> 01:55:02,840
project the next map I'll

2459
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,800
show you a little bit of phasing but to answer a question

2460
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:06,840
for me the next case

2461
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,930
but just to point out the general vicinity this is rooms to

2462
01:55:09,930 --> 01:55:11,119
go is the hotel

2463
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:14,369
convention center this is where the theater project would

2464
01:55:14,369 --> 01:55:17,199
be last month or

2465
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:21,170
maybe two months I see those October the apartment site

2466
01:55:21,170 --> 01:55:22,560
plan was brought before

2467
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:26,510
you and approved located here on this project this is the W

2468
01:55:26,510 --> 01:55:27,680
ynko foods that is

2469
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:31,460
open and operating and then we have the raising canes the

2470
01:55:31,460 --> 01:55:33,520
Chipotle sleep sleep

2471
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:37,229
number chilies and in and out which is due to open in a few

2472
01:55:37,229 --> 01:55:38,479
short weeks so

2473
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:43,020
those roadways those buildings those are all open I'll

2474
01:55:43,020 --> 01:55:45,239
switch exhibits this will

2475
01:55:45,239 --> 01:55:49,869
be a graphical depiction of what I look at is construction

2476
01:55:49,869 --> 01:55:51,119
phases of the project

2477
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:54,000
to get an idea and I'll orient it the same way the last

2478
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,159
exhibit but it's a

2479
01:55:55,159 --> 01:56:03,119
little bigger it's colored so again University is up on the

2480
01:56:03,119 --> 01:56:06,520
top I 35 the

2481
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:10,729
future panhandle scripture would be down off the bottom of

2482
01:56:10,729 --> 01:56:12,359
the page down here

2483
01:56:12,359 --> 01:56:15,939
in heritage trail through the middle the yellow would be

2484
01:56:15,939 --> 01:56:17,479
the infrastructure that's

2485
01:56:17,479 --> 01:56:20,340
built open and operating with those tenants I just

2486
01:56:20,340 --> 01:56:21,760
mentioned that the stores

2487
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:24,189
are open if you haven't been out to raise a ranch please

2488
01:56:24,189 --> 01:56:24,800
come out and visit

2489
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:30,010
us that's my sales pitch for the night the blue if you

2490
01:56:30,010 --> 01:56:31,800
notice the roadways are

2491
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:36,300
a solid blue some of the other site are cross hatched in

2492
01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:38,279
blue the cross hatched

2493
01:56:38,279 --> 01:56:42,270
blue here is the hotel Convention Center so that entire

2494
01:56:42,270 --> 01:56:43,880
site is being built by

2495
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:47,449
those folks and we are building the roads around them to

2496
01:56:47,449 --> 01:56:48,279
deliver that site

2497
01:56:48,279 --> 01:56:54,220
to them that is planning talking about an opening towards

2498
01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:56,800
the end of 2017 the

2499
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:00,649
or the apartment site which the site plan was approved like

2500
01:57:00,649 --> 01:57:01,239
I said in

2501
01:57:01,239 --> 01:57:04,310
October the you'll see the blue improvements which are

2502
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:04,920
already under

2503
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:09,130
construction they will also serve that site and then the

2504
01:57:09,130 --> 01:57:11,000
two access drives to I

2505
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:14,779
35 are going to be improved as part of the delivery and

2506
01:57:14,779 --> 01:57:15,880
open an operation of

2507
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:20,090
the Convention Center so we'll have a few additional pad

2508
01:57:20,090 --> 01:57:20,840
sites that would be

2509
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:25,239
improved if you will able to be developed at that time the

2510
01:57:25,239 --> 01:57:26,680
pink begins

2511
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:30,250
kind of the next phase which is where the rooms to go is

2512
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:31,479
and all the pink

2513
01:57:31,479 --> 01:57:35,119
roads would be what we are proposing to plan and build when

2514
01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:36,359
rooms to goes open

2515
01:57:36,359 --> 01:57:45,359
and operating due to development timing development process

2516
01:57:45,359 --> 01:57:46,000
approvals and

2517
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,909
sequencing building permits construction and CFOs and

2518
01:57:49,909 --> 01:57:51,359
inspection we build these

2519
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:53,850
things in multiple phases with multiple plan sets so it's

2520
01:57:53,850 --> 01:57:54,720
not all done in one

2521
01:57:54,720 --> 01:58:00,029
plan set because I get started on a project and I don't

2522
01:58:00,029 --> 01:58:01,800
want a landscape

2523
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:05,520
item or a cracked curb here holding up rooms to go able to

2524
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:06,600
get their CFO or

2525
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:10,170
open so we have this pink area for example might have three

2526
01:58:10,170 --> 01:58:10,920
or four plan

2527
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:15,409
sets so that is the overall and I think that might address

2528
01:58:15,409 --> 01:58:16,760
some of the questions

2529
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:20,760
but not to jump ahead on a case but just again for general

2530
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:22,279
information the area

2531
01:58:22,279 --> 01:58:26,279
in green is the theater location and the theater site plan

2532
01:58:26,279 --> 01:58:27,680
improvements so you'd

2533
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:32,520
see kind of how it everything from from there down is being

2534
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:33,359
planned and

2535
01:58:33,359 --> 01:58:37,930
developed and constructed and there's plenty of access ing

2536
01:58:37,930 --> 01:58:39,560
ress and egress to

2537
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:45,609
and from University Heritage and I-35 so I'll stand for any

2538
01:58:45,609 --> 01:58:47,359
questions. I have a

2539
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:50,210
number of questions and I don't know I'll start with

2540
01:58:50,210 --> 01:58:51,880
Commissioner Hesmith is

2541
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:57,439
this for Mr. Wagner or someone else? No that was left over.

2542
01:58:57,439 --> 01:58:59,760
Okay thank you.

2543
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:04,119
Commissioner back. Thank you chair so did I just hear you

2544
01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:05,760
right that you said that

2545
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:09,729
when rooms to go was completed that panhandle will be open

2546
01:59:09,729 --> 01:59:11,239
from the I-35

2547
01:59:11,239 --> 01:59:16,279
service road over to Heritage Trail? Sometimes right around

2548
01:59:16,279 --> 01:59:16,800
there yes.

2549
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,939
Okay so we're not gonna wait for other development in those

2550
01:59:19,939 --> 01:59:20,760
other two lots

2551
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:24,329
behind rooms to go before I complete panhandle. Okay that's

2552
01:59:24,329 --> 01:59:25,199
good. That's the goal.

2553
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:31,479
Okay the inner roads that connect town north center the

2554
01:59:31,479 --> 01:59:33,439
razor ranch area to

2555
01:59:33,439 --> 01:59:38,000
Heritage Trail and I-35 what are how wide are they are

2556
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,640
those just typical to

2557
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,210
two-lane streets? Most of those are two-lane internal

2558
01:59:43,210 --> 01:59:44,880
shopping center we

2559
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:49,710
call them counter flow roads or ring roads. Okay so traffic

2560
01:59:49,710 --> 01:59:51,119
flow should be minimal

2561
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:54,689
enough that that those type of roads could handle it? Yes.

2562
01:59:54,689 --> 01:59:56,439
Okay left turn lanes

2563
01:59:56,439 --> 01:59:58,869
are there gonna be left turn lanes? At the entrances and

2564
01:59:58,869 --> 01:59:59,800
exits there's typically

2565
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:04,159
the extra width they'll widen out at each of the the major

2566
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:05,640
ingress and egress

2567
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:09,210
access points will have a wider section will accommodate

2568
02:00:09,210 --> 02:00:10,920
turn lanes. Okay but

2569
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:15,159
where they connect inside the area? Correct not at these

2570
02:00:15,159 --> 02:00:15,600
internal

2571
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:21,180
locations. Okay so all right great thank you. Commissioner

2572
02:00:21,180 --> 02:00:23,039
Sullivan. Thank you

2573
02:00:23,039 --> 02:00:27,060
Chair. So when you anticipate panhandle going all the way

2574
02:00:27,060 --> 02:00:29,520
to Bonnie Bray any idea

2575
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:33,090
of what that planning is? I guess my concern is it looks

2576
02:00:33,090 --> 02:00:33,279
like you're

2577
02:00:33,279 --> 02:00:37,359
everything is being filtered onto the service road or north

2578
02:00:37,359 --> 02:00:38,640
to University and

2579
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:45,560
who knows when I-35 is going to get this far north with the

2580
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:46,319
the widening and so

2581
02:00:46,319 --> 02:00:51,039
forth and so what is y'all's anticipated timeline in

2582
02:00:51,039 --> 02:00:53,279
conjunction with I-35 build

2583
02:00:53,279 --> 02:00:58,470
out? I don't think anybody has any idea of when I-35 is

2584
02:00:58,470 --> 02:00:59,319
going to be built out.

2585
02:00:59,319 --> 02:01:04,170
The project does tie into the existing frontage road right

2586
02:01:04,170 --> 02:01:06,119
now so that services

2587
02:01:06,119 --> 02:01:08,279
that side of the project right now as far as the first part

2588
02:01:08,279 --> 02:01:09,000
of your question

2589
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,569
this portion of panhandle from Heritage to Bonnie Bray

2590
02:01:12,569 --> 02:01:13,840
would be dependent on the

2591
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:18,800
development on that side whether it be the next development

2592
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:19,920
of the of that

2593
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,069
project that would be a front adjacent to or fronting that

2594
02:01:23,069 --> 02:01:24,960
road. Because honestly

2595
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:29,420
I avoid razor ranch because if you've ever get gotten off

2596
02:01:29,420 --> 02:01:31,399
of 35 onto the

2597
02:01:31,399 --> 02:01:36,859
service road to then go to Sands or something it's terrible

2598
02:01:36,859 --> 02:01:38,239
. That light can

2599
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:42,109
back up you've got a left turn lane right turn everybody's

2600
02:01:42,109 --> 02:01:42,920
coming in and out

2601
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:47,180
and now you're going to add to that rooms to go a theater

2602
02:01:47,180 --> 02:01:48,520
hotel all these

2603
02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:52,560
other things all dumping onto the same service road for the

2604
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,279
most part and I'm

2605
02:01:54,279 --> 02:01:56,960
just concerned there's no way for people to sneak out the

2606
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,520
back way and avoid the

2607
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:04,699
University service road interchange. I mean I just- We

2608
02:02:04,699 --> 02:02:06,159
would agree that it's a

2609
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:09,729
very busy intersection. We'd like to see some improvements

2610
02:02:09,729 --> 02:02:11,199
and we'd love to see

2611
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:13,880
TxDOT accelerate those improvements to widen that and make

2612
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:14,960
it more efficient.

2613
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:20,420
As of right now the traffic it is building in phases by the

2614
02:02:20,420 --> 02:02:21,760
build out those

2615
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:25,810
other connections will certainly be made but based on the

2616
02:02:25,810 --> 02:02:26,960
traffic and the

2617
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:30,760
circulation now that this portion of the frontage road

2618
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,079
would be servicing the

2619
02:02:32,079 --> 02:02:35,659
south part as you mentioned the frontage road from our

2620
02:02:35,659 --> 02:02:36,960
experience isn't really

2621
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:39,359
the backup it's the freeway and the intersection up at

2622
02:02:39,359 --> 02:02:41,319
University so you

2623
02:02:41,319 --> 02:02:45,529
know we could widen the frontage road but the bottleneck is

2624
02:02:45,529 --> 02:02:46,640
typically up at

2625
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:49,399
the intersection of the freeway and we don't have any

2626
02:02:49,399 --> 02:02:51,159
control over that. Right so

2627
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:53,939
there's no plan y'all don't have any plan of moving

2628
02:02:53,939 --> 02:02:55,760
anything over to Bonnie

2629
02:02:55,760 --> 02:03:02,319
Brake before I-35 build out. Again I don't know when I-35

2630
02:03:02,319 --> 02:03:03,640
is going to be built out.

2631
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:06,399
It could be built out next year or ten years. What I'm

2632
02:03:06,399 --> 02:03:07,840
saying is this portion of pan

2633
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,619
handle to connect to Bonnie Brake would be built in

2634
02:03:10,619 --> 02:03:11,880
conjunction with the

2635
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:16,479
development adjacent to it so it could access Bonnie Brake.

2636
02:03:16,479 --> 02:03:20,119
I do have an overall

2637
02:03:20,119 --> 02:03:23,380
exhibit but I don't think I have it with me but you know

2638
02:03:23,380 --> 02:03:24,119
there's there's other

2639
02:03:24,119 --> 02:03:28,399
development opportunities between Heritage and Bonnie Brake

2640
02:03:28,399 --> 02:03:29,199
so those come

2641
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:31,600
online and those that traffic's generated that's when it

2642
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:32,000
would be

2643
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,020
connected to Bonnie Brake. Yeah okay thank you. One more

2644
02:03:36,020 --> 02:03:37,399
question Commissioner Beck.

2645
02:03:37,399 --> 02:03:40,970
Thank you Chair. Heritage Trail isn't that fully functional

2646
02:03:40,970 --> 02:03:42,039
now and when pan

2647
02:03:42,039 --> 02:03:46,470
handle gets moved to that area wouldn't a means of egress

2648
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:48,319
be up Heritage

2649
02:03:48,319 --> 02:03:51,890
Trail to University? Sure could be. Okay but isn't it fully

2650
02:03:51,890 --> 02:03:53,359
functional? No what's

2651
02:03:53,359 --> 02:03:56,550
open and operating today is the yellow. Just the yellow.

2652
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:57,079
What's under

2653
02:03:57,079 --> 02:04:02,000
construction now is the blue and then with this current

2654
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:03,279
application and then

2655
02:04:03,279 --> 02:04:06,619
the requisite or corresponding infrastructure we'd be

2656
02:04:06,619 --> 02:04:07,479
opening up pink.

2657
02:04:07,479 --> 02:04:11,050
I thought it was a little bit more further along that but

2658
02:04:11,050 --> 02:04:11,600
thank you.

2659
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:15,170
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. Just want to clarify

2660
02:04:15,170 --> 02:04:16,479
that dark purple those

2661
02:04:16,479 --> 02:04:21,699
two future phase connectors do you own the property

2662
02:04:21,699 --> 02:04:24,000
adjacent to those? The

2663
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:28,210
shopping center owner entity that I represent is only this

2664
02:04:28,210 --> 02:04:30,039
130 acres the

2665
02:04:30,039 --> 02:04:32,850
other is the original razor ranch developer Legion's Hill

2666
02:04:32,850 --> 02:04:33,960
view and then

2667
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:37,529
just for again proximity location this is where that Cook's

2668
02:04:37,529 --> 02:04:38,560
Children's so Cook's

2669
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,420
Children's owns that corner down there but they're fronting

2670
02:04:42,420 --> 02:04:43,239
on scripture right

2671
02:04:43,239 --> 02:04:47,289
now. Right so so you really wouldn't have much control of

2672
02:04:47,289 --> 02:04:48,680
the allegiance Hillview

2673
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:51,359
portion of the street development or are you in charge of

2674
02:04:51,359 --> 02:04:52,359
the street development?

2675
02:04:52,359 --> 02:04:56,079
I wouldn't say I'm in charge but we partner we are partners

2676
02:04:56,079 --> 02:04:56,920
on the project

2677
02:04:56,920 --> 02:05:02,920
so we would work together on that. Thank you. Commissioner

2678
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:05,600
Hedgpeth. Briefly when

2679
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:10,590
did you say In-N-Out is opening? Well you know you'd have

2680
02:05:10,590 --> 02:05:12,479
to ask them. Yes.

2681
02:05:12,479 --> 02:05:15,460
We've been told it was January and now it's middle of

2682
02:05:15,460 --> 02:05:16,960
January so they're still

2683
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:21,319
working out there. It should be soon. Great. That's a time

2684
02:05:21,319 --> 02:05:22,640
frame. Thank you.

2685
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:32,180
Sorry I can't give you a date. Any other questions? Thank

2686
02:05:32,180 --> 02:05:33,680
you.

2687
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:45,970
I think we're back on item C and we've had our presentation

2688
02:05:45,970 --> 02:05:47,520
and looks like I

2689
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:53,500
have a motion. Commissioner Hedgpeth. Move approval of SP

2690
02:05:53,500 --> 02:05:57,119
16-0016. Commissioner Beck.

2691
02:05:57,119 --> 02:06:01,039
Okay. We have a first and a second for approval. Any

2692
02:06:01,039 --> 02:06:07,000
discussion? Seeing none I'll

2693
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:20,640
call for a vote on board. Motion carries six to zero. We'll

2694
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:26,199
move us to item D. SP 16-0022

2695
02:06:26,199 --> 02:06:31,029
and I will call on Muzzei for presentation of this item as

2696
02:06:31,029 --> 02:06:31,800
well.

2697
02:06:34,359 --> 02:06:36,920
Good evening I'm Muzzei Braz, associate planner with the

2698
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:38,800
City of Den. This is a

2699
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,600
site plan for movie theater in the Razor Range development.

2700
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:44,920
It is generally

2701
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:51,750
located in the Razor Range RR1 district of Razor Range Town

2702
02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:53,680
Center. They're

2703
02:06:53,680 --> 02:07:00,840
north of the east of I-35 and south of West University. The

2704
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:01,479
request is for

2705
02:07:01,479 --> 02:07:04,720
approval of site plan for movie theater development in the

2706
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:05,239
Razor Range

2707
02:07:05,239 --> 02:07:10,960
development and this is the site plan and if you have any

2708
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:12,840
questions I'll stand

2709
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:22,119
for any questions if you have. Any questions for staff?

2710
02:07:22,119 --> 02:07:28,239
Seeing none thank you. Again this is an

2711
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:31,050
individual consideration item so if there's anyone like to

2712
02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:31,739
speak on this

2713
02:07:31,739 --> 02:07:36,569
item please come forward at this time and fill out a card

2714
02:07:36,569 --> 02:07:38,079
and that unless

2715
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:42,760
there I will open the floor for discussion or motion.

2716
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:46,079
Commissioner Beck.

2717
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:55,300
SP 16-0022 thank you. I move we approve SP 16-0022. Okay I

2718
02:07:55,300 --> 02:07:58,359
have a motion for approval. Commissioner

2719
02:07:58,359 --> 02:08:05,909
Taylor. Second. Okay we have a first and a second and any

2720
02:08:05,909 --> 02:08:06,720
discussion? Commissioner

2721
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,960
Taylor. Thank you chair. I was confused for a second. If

2722
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:11,000
that was a button and

2723
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:17,609
error I apologize. I just wanted to point out that in our

2724
02:08:17,609 --> 02:08:18,520
backup we have a hardscape

2725
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:22,090
plan which is the pavilion areas and this is one of the

2726
02:08:22,090 --> 02:08:23,119
things that was

2727
02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:26,689
promised and appealing about the Razor Ranch development

2728
02:08:26,689 --> 02:08:27,960
was the south side town

2729
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:31,550
center was going to have you know open kind of walking

2730
02:08:31,550 --> 02:08:33,720
spaces, plaza, you know

2731
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:39,329
mixed kind of seating outside and this is the first there

2732
02:08:39,329 --> 02:08:40,119
was a very small

2733
02:08:40,119 --> 02:08:44,380
amount of plaza space on the Winko like extremely small and

2734
02:08:44,380 --> 02:08:45,880
the Alamo draft

2735
02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:50,090
house as it as it's labeled here has some really nice

2736
02:08:50,090 --> 02:08:52,039
outdoor plaza area and

2737
02:08:52,039 --> 02:08:55,270
of course this is the beginning of just on the south edge

2738
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:56,359
of the Razor town

2739
02:08:56,359 --> 02:09:00,630
center area that and I look forward to all of the future pl

2740
02:09:00,630 --> 02:09:02,399
aza space in the

2741
02:09:02,399 --> 02:09:05,350
center of the town center but I just thought I'd like to

2742
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:06,239
point that out on the

2743
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:09,399
backup the hardscape plan is is really nice looking and I

2744
02:09:09,399 --> 02:09:10,560
think it bodes well

2745
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:16,819
for the total project. I'll echo your commentary because

2746
02:09:16,819 --> 02:09:17,920
yes being on the

2747
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:21,489
Commission a long time too we've had a number of these come

2748
02:09:21,489 --> 02:09:22,520
before us and it's

2749
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:26,090
exciting now to see this development moving forward and

2750
02:09:26,090 --> 02:09:26,520
some of the things

2751
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:29,310
we've been looking forward to actually getting ready to to

2752
02:09:29,310 --> 02:09:30,239
take place so with

2753
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:35,100
that I'll be supporting this approval of this item and I

2754
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:37,000
will call for any other

2755
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:41,220
discussion or comments before I call for a vote on the

2756
02:09:41,220 --> 02:09:44,760
board. Seeing none call for

2757
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:47,319
a vote on the board.

2758
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:58,119
Motion carries six to zero. That will move us to our public

2759
02:09:58,119 --> 02:09:59,880
hearings section of

2760
02:09:59,880 --> 02:10:02,800
our agenda this evening. At this time I'm going to open the

2761
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,079
public hearing for Z16-0026

2762
02:10:05,079 --> 02:10:12,079
and I will call on Julie Wyatt for presentation.

2763
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:28,739
All right this is Z16-26 Zimmer, Kubota and Equipment. I'm

2764
02:10:28,739 --> 02:10:30,560
Julie Wyatt senior

2765
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:34,340
planner with the City of Denton and just a summary of what

2766
02:10:34,340 --> 02:10:35,680
what you're considering

2767
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:41,140
tonight. The property is located west of I-35 with

2768
02:10:41,140 --> 02:10:43,800
substantial frontage on I-35.

2769
02:10:43,800 --> 02:10:47,800
It's approximately eight acres and they're proposing to re

2770
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:49,039
zone from RCCN to

2771
02:10:49,039 --> 02:10:52,840
RCCD and based upon the criteria for approval in the Denton

2772
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:53,479
Development Code

2773
02:10:53,479 --> 02:10:56,159
and staff's analysis we do recommend approval of the

2774
02:10:56,159 --> 02:10:57,760
request. I'll be happy to

2775
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,800
go through the presentation if you'd like if you'd like

2776
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:02,119
some further discussion

2777
02:11:02,119 --> 02:11:11,279
and I'll stand for any questions. Any questions for staff?

2778
02:11:11,279 --> 02:11:16,960
Thank You Julie.

2779
02:11:19,079 --> 02:11:21,710
Is the applicant here would like to speak and present their

2780
02:11:21,710 --> 02:11:23,840
project? A comment?

2781
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:27,439
Okay again this is a public hearing so anyone here that

2782
02:11:27,439 --> 02:11:28,960
would like to speak on

2783
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:34,140
this item please come forward at this time. Seeing none I

2784
02:11:34,140 --> 02:11:36,039
'll close the public

2785
02:11:36,039 --> 02:11:41,899
hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

2786
02:11:41,899 --> 02:11:43,479
Commissioner

2787
02:11:43,479 --> 02:11:43,479
Husband. Is it okay I was waiting till you closed and I

2788
02:11:43,479 --> 02:11:48,239
hope I didn't wait too

2789
02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:52,939
late. Can I ask the question of the applicant? Sure. Yeah

2790
02:11:52,939 --> 02:11:54,039
if you could please

2791
02:11:54,039 --> 02:12:02,649
just one quick question. When you get to the mic please

2792
02:12:02,649 --> 02:12:03,680
give us your name and

2793
02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:08,279
address please. Good evening my name is James Conley and I

2794
02:12:08,279 --> 02:12:09,479
represent ICON and

2795
02:12:09,479 --> 02:12:14,649
Zimmer Corboda in Sanger Texas 1405 West Chapman. Okay

2796
02:12:14,649 --> 02:12:16,359
thank you sir. So real quick

2797
02:12:16,359 --> 02:12:21,020
and it's a little out of the box but it's Corboda are they

2798
02:12:21,020 --> 02:12:22,239
relocating their

2799
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:26,130
corporate offices to Great Vine is that right to the Great

2800
02:12:26,130 --> 02:12:27,560
Vine area or a

2801
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,840
corporate office? I believe based on my knowledge their

2802
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:31,600
existing corporate

2803
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:34,100
offices in Fort Worth and I do not have any knowledge that

2804
02:12:34,100 --> 02:12:35,079
they're moving that.

2805
02:12:35,079 --> 02:12:39,029
Okay. This project strictly pertains to their existing site

2806
02:12:39,029 --> 02:12:40,000
over on the east

2807
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:43,569
side of Luke 288 moving to this site. That's the plan. Okay

2808
02:12:43,569 --> 02:12:44,199
that was gonna be

2809
02:12:44,199 --> 02:12:48,600
my next question. All right thank you. Any other questions

2810
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:50,239
for the applicant?

2811
02:12:50,239 --> 02:12:54,520
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. So be closing the site

2812
02:12:54,520 --> 02:12:55,640
off the loop and

2813
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:59,979
moving to this site is that the plan or adding this to? As

2814
02:12:59,979 --> 02:13:01,680
far as the information

2815
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:04,529
I have from the client is that this would be their new site

2816
02:13:04,529 --> 02:13:05,279
and I believe

2817
02:13:05,279 --> 02:13:09,010
they would be looking at possibly keeping both sites but I

2818
02:13:09,010 --> 02:13:09,560
have no

2819
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:14,430
information that they would close for sure the existing 288

2820
02:13:14,430 --> 02:13:17,439
site. Any other

2821
02:13:17,439 --> 02:13:25,399
question for the applicant? Thank you sir.

2822
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:35,220
This public hearings closed so we're in for discussion or

2823
02:13:35,220 --> 02:13:37,760
emotion. Commissioner

2824
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:44,079
Hussman. Move approval of Z 16-0026. Commissioner Beck.

2825
02:13:44,079 --> 02:13:45,279
Second. Okay.

2826
02:13:45,279 --> 02:13:51,529
We have a first and second for approval. Any comments or

2827
02:13:51,529 --> 02:13:56,720
discussion? Seeing none

2828
02:13:56,720 --> 02:14:06,800
I'll close or I'll call for a vote on the board. Sorry.

2829
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:11,119
Motion carries 6-0.

2830
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:17,380
Again for the record our item B has been withdrawn and that

2831
02:14:17,380 --> 02:14:19,199
moves us to our final

2832
02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:23,199
item this evening our project matrix and so I'll open it up

2833
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:24,859
for items to be added

2834
02:14:24,859 --> 02:14:34,640
to our project matrix. Nothing? The only one I'll bring up

2835
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:35,760
then is I know we've

2836
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:39,390
got a number of items that have been on there in regards to

2837
02:14:39,390 --> 02:14:40,560
some of the updates

2838
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:46,279
that I've asked in regards to I believe Mayhill I think,

2839
02:14:46,279 --> 02:14:48,960
Ryan Road and I have yet

2840
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:51,539
to see any of that I think it was just going to be like a

2841
02:14:51,539 --> 02:14:52,520
one-page summary I

2842
02:14:52,520 --> 02:14:56,729
don't know where those stand and when those may be forth

2843
02:14:56,729 --> 02:14:57,359
coming.

2844
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:04,760
Got them? Great. Okay. If no one else has any other items

2845
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:07,479
then I'm going to close our

2846
02:15:07,479 --> 02:15:12,479
meeting this evening at 720. Thank you everyone.