WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.379 session for December the 14th this meeting has been duly 00:00:04.379 --> 00:00:05.200 posted and we 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:08.320 have a quorum present and I'm gonna call our meeting order 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.800 at 531 our first order 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:14.160 of business will be to receive clarification of agenda 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:14.839 items and I 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:18.440 will ask Chandra to turn it over to her for presentation of 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:19.640 the items tonight 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:24.079 okay we have two items on the consent agenda a final plat 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:25.879 and a prelim if 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.980 there's any questions we can call up the case managers if 00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:30.059 not we'll go to the 00:00:30.059 --> 00:00:37.229 public hearing items. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair I 00:00:37.229 --> 00:00:38.359 just had one and I 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:40.780 don't know if it's a big deal or not there's a typo in in 00:00:40.780 --> 00:00:43.280 the prelim plot I 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:47.679 don't know if that's important to know but yeah it's in the 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:49.439 notes line too okay 00:00:49.439 --> 00:01:01.320 it just says that the R is missing from ground. Thanks for 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.359 helping us get it right. 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.859 Okay and so we have two items for public hearing the first 00:01:07.859 --> 00:01:09.840 is a zoning case for 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:15.200 the country club of states and I'll invite Haley Zagurski 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:15.400 up. 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:48.439 [Page turning] 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.519 All right this is case Z1625 for country club road of 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:58.079 states and the request is to hold a 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:00.319 public hearing and consider a request to rezone 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:01.799 approximately 15 and a half 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.269 acres from neighborhood residential 2 to neighborhood 00:02:04.269 --> 00:02:06.439 residential 3 as well as to 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.800 rezone approximately 20 acres from neighborhood residential 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:10.039 4 to 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.800 neighborhood residential 3. The subject property is 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:15.439 comprised of four parcels 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.610 of land three of them have frontage on country club road 00:02:18.610 --> 00:02:19.199 the fourth is 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.919 currently landlocked they're located on the east side of 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:22.680 country club road 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:27.349 approximately 265 feet south of Regency Court and to give 00:02:27.349 --> 00:02:28.120 you a little bit 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:30.870 better view of where this is at the very top you can see 00:02:30.870 --> 00:02:32.039 the Fort Worth drive and 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:36.259 country club road intersection as well as how this relates 00:02:36.259 --> 00:02:37.400 to Hobson Lane. 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.370 Some of the surrounding properties the Bent Creek estate 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:42.080 subdivision is located 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.840 east or west across country club road Regency Oaks is 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:47.520 immediately to the north 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.180 of this property and the El Paso addition is to the east of 00:02:50.180 --> 00:02:51.319 it and there 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.759 is a tributary of Hickory Creek that runs north to south 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:56.159 across the property. 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.639 So as I mentioned currently 15 and a half acres which is 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:00.960 roughly 43 percent 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:04.719 of the property is zoned NR2 a little over 20 acres or 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:06.199 about 56 percent is 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:11.599 zoned NR4 and the proposal is to rezone all four parcels to 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:12.240 NR3. 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.159 Commissioner Back. Thank you Chair. Go back that little 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.319 strip out there is that that road is 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:21.860 that all that is that little panhandle? Oh yes I believe 00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:24.039 that's their access. Okay. 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.060 So the future land use designation for the property is low 00:03:29.060 --> 00:03:30.960 residential and this 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.159 designation allows for single-family residential areas with 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.000 a density of up 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.599 to four units per acre. It encourages new single-family 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:39.599 developments that is 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.780 compatible with existing neighborhoods and it promotes a 00:03:42.780 --> 00:03:43.879 variety of housing 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:48.259 styles types and price points. So some of our 00:03:48.259 --> 00:03:50.840 considerations for this rezoning to 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.729 NR3 is not inconsistent with the surrounding patterns it's 00:03:54.729 --> 00:03:55.159 not an 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:57.439 immediate continuation of anything adjoining the property 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:57.919 but there is 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:02.099 other NR3 across country club road from the property. The 00:04:02.099 --> 00:04:03.560 permitted uses within 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.960 the NR3 district are consistent with the surrounding 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:07.159 development primarily 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.740 single-family dwellings or what's permitted there. Multi- 00:04:09.740 --> 00:04:10.639 family and duplex 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:12.960 uses are not permitted in the current or the proposed 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.240 zoning district and NR3 is 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.829 consistent with that future land use designation of low 00:04:19.829 --> 00:04:22.199 residential. Overall 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.040 this provides for a decrease in the intensity of the 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:26.319 current zoning because 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.899 over half of the property is currently NR4 and it would be 00:04:28.899 --> 00:04:31.399 reduced to NR3 and 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.889 NR3 is kind of an intermediate in terms of density and 00:04:34.889 --> 00:04:35.839 scale from what's 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:38.589 currently there so that would provide a more logical 00:04:38.589 --> 00:04:39.920 transition between the 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.360 existing NR2 zone neighborhoods and what is being proposed. 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:45.920 So just to give you a 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:50.560 look at that the NR3 regulations that they would be subject 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:51.399 to if this is 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.220 approved are circled in yellow in the middle so it's kind 00:04:54.220 --> 00:04:54.959 of an intermediate 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.860 in terms of the density that's allowed in the zoning 00:04:57.860 --> 00:04:59.240 districts as well as in 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.060 the lot coverage and the other criteria and so this rez 00:05:02.060 --> 00:05:03.360 oning would consolidate 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.319 the development in the future from having two different 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:07.240 sets of criteria 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.839 that it would have to be looked at with when they go to 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:11.040 Platte and develop to 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:17.949 just one set of zoning criteria. The existing zoning with 00:05:17.949 --> 00:05:18.199 the two 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.129 different designations would allow a maximum of 111 lots on 00:05:22.129 --> 00:05:22.839 the entire 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:26.850 property. The proposed zoning would permit up to 124 lots 00:05:26.850 --> 00:05:28.120 or 124 dwelling 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.870 units per acre to be exact. The applicant has stated that 00:05:31.870 --> 00:05:33.160 their intent is to 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:38.959 develop between 73 and 78 lots and that is reduced and 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:39.600 depend the final 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.310 configuration and number of lots will depend on the 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:43.680 physical constraints that 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.300 are imposed by the current floodplain and alternative ESA 00:05:46.300 --> 00:05:47.240 that runs through the 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.720 property so they have an application in for an alternative 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:51.560 environmentally 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.800 sensitive area plan and depending on how that is worked out 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:55.800 would basically 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.699 determine what configuration of lots they could achieve 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:00.199 here. 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.680 Notification was sent out for this case. 46 notices sent to 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:05.600 properties within 200 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.980 feet, 126 sent to the 500 foot radius. We received two in 00:06:09.980 --> 00:06:11.920 opposition, one in favor, 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.680 one neutral, and one that I placed on your desk today was 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:16.279 received and they 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.750 were kind of undecided on how they felt about the case. All 00:06:20.750 --> 00:06:22.160 of the other notices 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.339 or responses that I received were included in your backup 00:06:24.339 --> 00:06:24.720 with the 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:29.560 notification map. So staff recommends approval of this 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:30.639 request as it's 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.279 compatible with the surrounding land use and zoning pattern 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:34.199 and is consistent 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:37.319 with the goals and objectives of the Denton Plan 2030 and I 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:38.079 'll stand for any 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.459 questions if you have them. Commissioner Taylor. Thank you 00:06:42.459 --> 00:06:44.399 Chair. I have I have 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.899 several questions some pertain just to this project and 00:06:47.899 --> 00:06:49.160 some are just just 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.180 general questions on a development that might have a mixed 00:06:54.180 --> 00:06:56.439 zoning. So can you 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.819 back up to the area the two more I think two more back not 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:02.079 the area one one 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.769 forward I'm sorry with the floodplain. So those houses that 00:07:04.769 --> 00:07:05.879 are already built on 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:10.810 Country Club Road those are on individual fairly small parc 00:07:10.810 --> 00:07:11.160 els those 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.949 are kind of like an about an NR3 or NR4 density right now 00:07:13.949 --> 00:07:15.360 aren't they? There's 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.939 ten total houses that front Country Club right now they're 00:07:17.939 --> 00:07:19.839 actually all on one parcel of land. 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.050 It's not individual lots. Oh okay so if they were parceled 00:07:23.050 --> 00:07:24.600 out it would I'm like 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.160 just looking across the street is NR3 and they're a little 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:27.759 bit tighter 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:32.040 together than the NR3 are. So okay. Again I believe just to 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:32.399 clarify the 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.639 subdivision across the street is NR3 but it was developed 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:35.800 before that zoning 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.250 designation was put in place so I think it is actually a 00:07:38.250 --> 00:07:40.120 higher density than NR3. 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.350 Okay all right and my other question is this is probably a 00:07:44.350 --> 00:07:45.680 good map to do it on 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:51.019 they're they're aiming for 75 ish lots how does density 00:07:51.019 --> 00:07:53.439 transfer work in a 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.759 development if you actually had a development with two zon 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:56.879 ings in it like 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.310 some of our larger developments have in our three at the 00:07:59.310 --> 00:08:00.319 front and our six at 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:05.379 the back or something like that can you density transfer is 00:08:05.379 --> 00:08:06.800 it only within the 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:14.399 the boundaries of the zoning district okay. Hey Alex so I'm 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:14.800 just looking at 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.430 this and trying to figure out because you get a bunch of 00:08:18.430 --> 00:08:20.120 you know 25% of that 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.029 or 20% of that or something is in a floodplain so you'd get 00:08:24.029 --> 00:08:24.600 a bunch of 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.790 density transfer anyway so it seems like you could still 00:08:27.790 --> 00:08:29.439 build 75 lots really 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.210 easily so I'm just trying to understand you know and I 00:08:32.210 --> 00:08:33.039 understand there might be 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.059 like they probably want the same zoning across the entire 00:08:36.059 --> 00:08:37.679 project and there 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.809 might be those side yard sizes and things like that that as 00:08:40.809 --> 00:08:41.399 to why the 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.669 developers doing it I'm just trying to trying to understand 00:08:44.669 --> 00:08:45.240 for my own 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.139 education. Yeah I believe a lot of the intent was to 00:08:48.139 --> 00:08:49.279 consolidate it under one 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.759 set of regulations there because the way it's configured 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:53.960 now that NR4 would 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.019 lead to smaller lots kind of in the back of the property 00:08:56.019 --> 00:08:56.879 and larger lots on the 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.080 edges and so I think just to simplify moving forward they 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:01.559 were hoping to 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.440 consolidate that but I believe the applicant will be here 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.120 at the public 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.330 hearing later if you have any questions. And then the hatch 00:09:07.330 --> 00:09:08.200 ed orange here are 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.100 those areas that have been are being removed from the ESA 00:09:12.100 --> 00:09:13.080 or what's the 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.759 designation there do you know? The hatched areas are 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.240 historic Lomar. Oh okay 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.600 so not really. Yeah the blue area is the current floodplain 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.240 . All right thank you. 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.070 Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. I'm sorry the hatch 00:09:30.070 --> 00:09:31.799 marks are historical what? 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.919 Lomar I'm not sure. Earl would probably be able to better 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:35.799 answer questions about 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:43.450 what that designation is. Okay. Earl? Question? They're 00:09:43.450 --> 00:09:43.960 wondering what the 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.919 hatched areas. Could you explain that a little bit more? 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.879 The hatched area is the historical floodplain. Oh okay. 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.669 That's what the floodplain used to be because it was unstud 00:09:53.669 --> 00:09:55.039 ied. Yeah. And so 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:58.210 when the Regency development to the north came in they 00:09:58.210 --> 00:09:59.840 performed a letter of 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.240 map revision to establish where the floodplain actually is 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:02.879 by studying it 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.929 and that's where the blue shade comes in. Okay so the 00:10:05.929 --> 00:10:06.960 historical little hatch marks. 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:11.240 Yeah that layer should have been turned off. Gotcha. Thanks 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.080 . Commissioner Hatchbeth. I don't know if this is 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:19.000 another Earl question but I don't even know if I can ask it 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:19.559 if it's 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:24.039 germane to what we're considering today. Has anyone 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.240 considered the ins and out of 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:32.440 the property? Can we consider that at this point or no? 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.110 This is since this is a zoning matter there we can't really 00:10:37.110 --> 00:10:37.960 take. Definitely 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.470 gonna have access to Country Club and then there's a street 00:10:41.470 --> 00:10:42.960 stubbed out from 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:49.899 the east and our code requires them to connect to that. I 00:10:49.899 --> 00:10:51.840 believe we also 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:56.279 require connectivity to the south and I just don't I don't 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:57.559 recall how many 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.559 connection points you had on Country Club. At least one. 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.759 One to the south and 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:06.159 one to the east. Just one. 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:23.240 Lee do you want to I think have a little more of a 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:24.120 conversation if 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.330 you want to come up and maybe you can answer some questions 00:11:26.330 --> 00:11:28.919 . Thank you. 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:36.159 I'm sorry Lee Allison with Allison Engineering Group. 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:37.519 Appreciate the visit 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.120 to opportunity to visit here briefly. We do have a concept 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.440 plan that'll be in my 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:46.850 presentation this evening. It does include connection to 00:11:46.850 --> 00:11:47.759 the east and a 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.210 connection to the west of Country Club Road and it does 00:11:50.210 --> 00:11:51.519 cross the floodplain in 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.909 the developed portion or the developed floodplain portion 00:11:55.909 --> 00:11:58.519 of it and so the 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.600 connectivity will be there. We've had some discussions 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:02.519 about going to the 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.039 south but I think because of the gas well and other reasons 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:05.840 we thought we may 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:10.490 not but that's not necessarily a closed discussion at this 00:12:10.490 --> 00:12:11.159 time. 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.799 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. I was gonna wait until 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:15.799 the public hearing to 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:20.450 act just but since we got you up here the egress or ingress 00:12:20.450 --> 00:12:21.480 from the east which 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.710 is the metal land? Metal I think so. Okay is that gonna 00:12:26.710 --> 00:12:28.000 extend all the way across 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:32.009 the property to Country Club? It's gonna wind through the 00:12:32.009 --> 00:12:33.799 property to Country 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.919 Club. Okay. So in our concept plan and I'm gonna ask the 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:39.879 attorney for comment I'm 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.559 not sure how much it's appropriate for me to speak up now. 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:43.659 We should wait until the 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:46.279 regular session in order to go through that. I think we're 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:46.919 staying in this room 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:51.580 tonight because there's construction in the chamber. I'll 00:12:51.580 --> 00:12:53.320 be glad to answer 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.259 any other questions that are appropriate for me at this 00:12:56.259 --> 00:12:57.320 time. Thank you. 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:10.720 Thank you Lee. Any other questions? I'd have one and we may 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:11.480 get into this a little 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:16.679 later. Are they gonna be coming back with doing some type 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:17.480 of a letter of map 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:22.289 revision or or Clomore or something to narrow that flood 00:13:22.289 --> 00:13:24.840 plain as well and that 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.259 I know that's extra beyond what we're talking about with 00:13:28.259 --> 00:13:30.240 zoning but they will 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.080 they will have to submit for a conditional letter of map 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:33.720 revision of 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.600 Clomore and Lomar just because there's a street that's 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:37.600 gonna be proposed across 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:40.629 that creek and so that being said they're gonna have to 00:13:40.629 --> 00:13:41.600 reduce that flood 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.080 plain to be contained within a pipe system at the road 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.000 crossing. Okay great 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:59.720 thank you. Any other questions for staff on this item? The 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.399 next item is the 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:06.250 specific use permit for the QT on Carroll and I'll invite 00:14:06.250 --> 00:14:08.759 Julie Wyatt up. 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:13.840 Hi I'm Julie Wyatt. The request before you is to consider 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:15.159 making recommendation to 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:19.940 City Council regarding amending an SUP for the QT at 00:14:19.940 --> 00:14:22.879 Carroll and Eagle to allow 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.529 them to add 16 more parking spaces to the site. The subject 00:14:26.529 --> 00:14:28.000 property is located 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:33.509 on the corner here at Eagle in North Carroll. It's in a 00:14:33.509 --> 00:14:35.120 downtown commercial 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:38.970 general zoning district. This zoning district does require 00:14:38.970 --> 00:14:40.059 a specific use 00:14:40.059 --> 00:14:45.279 permit for the use which is quick vehicle servicing. That 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:46.879 SUP was approved 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:51.600 in 2002 by the City Council and that that development 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.000 included a 5,000 square 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:57.379 foot retail building, 12 fuel pumps, 26 parking spaces, a 00:14:57.379 --> 00:14:58.799 little over 58,000 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:04.600 square feet of impervious surface and then 25,594 square 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:05.639 feet of new tree 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.559 canopy. Yes sir. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair because 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:09.799 I'm gonna get in part of 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.159 this later but the 26 parking spaces does that include 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:14.440 where the pumps are at 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:16.629 or they consider parking spaces? Those are not considered 00:15:16.629 --> 00:15:19.240 parking spaces. Okay thanks. 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:23.690 And here is that site plan associated with that with that 00:15:23.690 --> 00:15:25.559 SUP. Here's the I 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:31.559 don't know what the black lines are. Here is the here's the 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:32.080 building the 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.440 gas pumps. They had access they have access to Carroll as 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:36.399 well as Eagle and 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:41.059 Myrtle. And then here is the landscape plan associated with 00:15:41.059 --> 00:15:41.960 it. They had street 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.940 trees and some some landscape islands out by by the right 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:49.120 of way. So here's 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:53.009 what they're proposing. With this request they're proposing 00:15:53.009 --> 00:15:54.080 16 additional 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.830 parking spaces and those are in the yellow. A pedestrian 00:15:57.830 --> 00:15:59.159 crossing to connect 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:03.850 to this sidewalk on Carroll to the the retail building. In 00:16:03.850 --> 00:16:05.279 order to meet the 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.940 screening requirements in the Denton Development Code there 00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:08.559 's a proposed 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:12.169 three-foot masonry wall here that to match the the retail 00:16:12.169 --> 00:16:14.320 building. And then 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:18.269 an inlet filter here which I'll go over in just a minute. 00:16:18.269 --> 00:16:18.919 Deborah might have 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.799 additional information. And all of these proposed 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.440 improvements would result in an 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:33.519 impervious surface of 63,963 square feet which is 68%. Just 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.000 to note that is that 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.250 meets the Denton Development Code requirements for DCG 00:16:38.250 --> 00:16:38.679 which which 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.039 permits a maximum of 85% lot coverage. So to go a little 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.039 further into that inlet 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:50.740 filter what this is it's it's it's a it's a bucket like 00:16:50.740 --> 00:16:52.039 structure that they 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:57.070 put inside and in the existing curb inlet and as water 00:16:57.070 --> 00:16:58.960 during a rain event 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:03.659 flows into that inlet a portion of that water will go into 00:17:03.659 --> 00:17:04.920 that bucket and 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:09.039 through a filter. So it will then filter out as Deborah 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:10.480 said floatable so anything 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.490 that floats as well as any other pollution that's in that 00:17:14.490 --> 00:17:15.359 water. So that 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:21.910 that's what that that filter would do. And the point of 00:17:21.910 --> 00:17:23.440 that is to reduce the 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.190 pollutants particularly that are caused by the additional 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:28.119 impervious surface. And 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:33.519 then yes sir. Commissioner Beth. Thank you Chair. That area 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:34.180 where they put the new 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:39.519 parking spaces is way back there away from that drainage. 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:41.319 Is everything pitched 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:46.569 in that direction or? That's a really good question. No. It 00:17:46.569 --> 00:17:47.880 's an existing curb 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.829 inlet and and as we were working with them and as we were 00:17:50.829 --> 00:17:51.880 talking with them 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.549 this location you're right this does not necessarily drain 00:17:55.549 --> 00:17:57.640 here but this area the 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.130 the pump area would drain there. So we can kind of infer 00:18:01.130 --> 00:18:02.440 that that's going to 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:06.200 be an area that may see a lot of pollution and so since 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:06.559 this 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.210 infrastructure was already there it made sense to put that 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:12.279 filter there to have a 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:16.039 greater impact on on the runoff and the pollutants 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:17.559 suspended within that runoff. 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.920 But it's actually not going to help the 16 new parking. It 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:22.119 won't help that but 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:25.869 what it will do and let me I'm gonna show you this is 00:18:25.869 --> 00:18:27.359 schematic it is not 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:39.829 where here this may help because I had the same question. 00:18:39.829 --> 00:18:41.480 So this is something 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.670 that the applicant put together I said what is actually 00:18:43.670 --> 00:18:44.480 draining in there 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.109 because it's I think it's a good question and and this is 00:18:48.109 --> 00:18:49.480 this yellow area 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:53.859 is what they're showing would would actually potentially 00:18:53.859 --> 00:18:55.200 drain in that area 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:58.380 which does take up some existing parking as well as those 00:18:58.380 --> 00:19:00.839 pump areas. So yes the 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.000 the new parking area wouldn't necessarily flow in there but 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:04.519 it would 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:09.160 accommodate an impervious surface that is equal to or 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:10.839 greater than what they're 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.940 proposing as far as new pervious surface impervious surface 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:16.319 . So those 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.940 parking spaces wouldn't flow in there but other impervious 00:19:19.940 --> 00:19:21.119 surface on the site 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.240 which one would imagine could get equally as polluted or 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:26.880 have equally as 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.039 many things drip on it would would flow through that area. 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.799 This is kind of a 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.339 what would you call it again say look we can't affect this 00:19:39.339 --> 00:19:40.400 area but look what 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.880 we're doing to the area that is disinherited and it's doing 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:43.799 much better than it was 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.579 before. Essentially that is what they're proposing and and 00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:48.920 this is an existing 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.740 infrastructure this is where the storm sewer goes to so 00:19:51.740 --> 00:19:52.720 that that's why it 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.099 made sense for that location. Okay thank you. The proposal 00:19:57.099 --> 00:19:59.000 also would reduce the 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:05.730 the existing tree canopy down to 25% to 23,800 square feet 00:20:05.730 --> 00:20:07.799 and here and here's 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.549 how that's made up. These four trees would have to be 00:20:11.549 --> 00:20:13.079 actually relocated as 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.799 as a result of this request and I'll show you those 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:17.200 locations in a moment but 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:20.900 they're proposing to relocate these four trees. These these 00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:22.079 trees they are 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:27.009 proposing would have to be taken down as a result of this 00:20:27.009 --> 00:20:29.500 request and there's the 00:20:29.500 --> 00:20:34.680 location for those those relocated trees. This is kind of 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.759 just a rendering of what 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.319 they're proposing part of the reason for this request is 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:41.400 that they are adding 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.250 that side door adjacent to Carroll so they're they're 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:45.420 wanting additional 00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:49.210 parking spaces next to that side door. The considerations 00:20:49.210 --> 00:20:50.559 that staff looked at 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:54.859 since this proposal is purely a modification of an existing 00:20:54.859 --> 00:20:55.359 use it 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:59.369 really is just to renovate an existing commercial use not 00:20:59.369 --> 00:21:00.640 adding an additional 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:05.279 use to the area. It doesn't substantially affect the 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.240 existing scalar form and it 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:13.660 also complies with the with the the impervious cover and 00:21:13.660 --> 00:21:15.440 and and the building 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:19.190 envelope for the governing zoning district for DCG so the 00:21:19.190 --> 00:21:20.200 impacts on the 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:24.210 adjacent properties would be minimal. The inlet filter 00:21:24.210 --> 00:21:25.880 would address some of the 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:30.160 pollution issues that are associated with additional 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:31.839 parking so that that 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.240 would that was a consideration that staff looked at and the 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:36.640 request does 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:41.279 comply with all of the criteria for specific use permits 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:42.599 within subchapter 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:47.859 six. Based upon that staff does recommend approval of the 00:21:47.859 --> 00:21:48.920 request but we do have 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:53.559 it subject to some conditions. First that the proposal does 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:54.200 substantially 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.109 conform to the attached site plan, landscape plan, and 00:21:57.109 --> 00:21:57.960 grading plan is 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:03.349 submitted and that includes that five foot REM Triton curb 00:22:03.349 --> 00:22:05.119 inlet filter with a 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:10.369 replaceable REM fog media pack. It should be installed and 00:22:10.369 --> 00:22:11.400 maintained in the 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.279 northwest corner of the site as depicted on the site plan. 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:16.400 The applicant must 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:19.769 submit three reports per calendar year to the planning 00:22:19.769 --> 00:22:21.400 division demonstrating 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:24.170 that the curb inlet filter has been inspected and 00:22:24.170 --> 00:22:25.599 maintained a minimum of 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.519 three times per year or when the debris or an accumulation 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:29.759 reaches 80% of 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:34.400 filtered capacity. Additionally the reports must confirm 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:35.279 must provide 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:41.279 confirmation that the REM, I think I have a typo there, FOG 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.640 replaceable media has been replaced at least once per year 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.759 when the media pack 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:50.240 is 50% coated with contaminants. They have to provide that 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:51.200 marked pedestrian 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:56.630 connection as depicted on the site plan and also maintain 00:22:56.630 --> 00:22:58.000 relocate those four 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.029 trees that they are proposing to relocate as shown on the 00:23:01.029 --> 00:23:01.920 landscape plan. 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:06.569 In addition to that staff has one more recommendation and 00:23:06.569 --> 00:23:08.480 that is for four 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.730 additional trees to be planted on the site. As a result of 00:23:12.730 --> 00:23:14.000 this proposal as I 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.650 discussed the tree canopy would be lowered from to that 25 00:23:18.650 --> 00:23:20.079 %. In order to 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.759 maintain the existing tree canopy on the site we're we're 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.720 proposing a condition 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.230 that they do plant four two-inch caliper trees to be 00:23:28.230 --> 00:23:29.960 planted in accordance with 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.319 the landscape and tree canopy requirements in subchapter 13 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:34.839 . Yes sir. 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.019 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. Did you show us where 00:23:38.019 --> 00:23:39.200 those four new trees were going? 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:44.160 No that would be, yes they would need to be planted as a 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:45.920 part of the site plan 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:51.069 process and building permit. How many trees are we pulling 00:23:51.069 --> 00:23:53.039 out? This is the 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.440 tree survey and I believe it's in your backup as well. I 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.079 think there are one two 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.549 three four five trees that were that were being removed 00:24:00.549 --> 00:24:01.880 some larger and some 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.519 smaller and I didn't I didn't suggest we didn't suggest 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.440 five trees because we 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.500 looked at the overall canopy and so we wanted we wanted to 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:12.759 maintain or get 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:17.599 close to maintaining that existing canopy. Okay thank you. 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:18.640 Sure. Commissioner 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:23.859 Hatchbeth. Can we go back and look at whatever you would 00:24:23.859 --> 00:24:25.160 purport to be your 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:31.220 best slide depicting where I'm trying to get my head around 00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:33.920 exactly where the 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.000 I have a general idea where the parking space is going but 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.319 I want to have 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:44.160 questions of where the driveway is I'm just not real clear 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.119 and where the 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.150 driveway currently is that so I guess it would be the one 00:24:48.150 --> 00:24:51.279 that it's most south. 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.970 Yes sir it is this one right here on Carroll. Okay and then 00:24:54.970 --> 00:24:56.079 so where are the 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:01.140 new? It's in the yellow right here. Okay. So there's there 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:02.519 's some behind it and 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.160 then on the side adjacent to the retail and then and then 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:07.680 and then here 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.539 adjacent to Carroll. Okay and are there no concern I mean 00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:13.200 because it's pretty 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:17.069 difficult to get in there as is right because you're on 00:25:17.069 --> 00:25:18.319 Carroll and so you're 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:23.359 like 45 ish and you slide in and you're gonna have people 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:24.839 walking across there 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:29.220 which then backs up on to Carroll you get maybe what three 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:32.440 cars before so if 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.920 someone's backing out you know and they're not at all 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.319 comfortable with it 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.680 or this I know I mean is that a concern at all? Engineering 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.599 has reviewed it and 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.049 and it meets the criteria for approval for for the 00:25:45.049 --> 00:25:47.079 transportation and for the 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:56.400 stacking. Okay thank you. And Earl will come up. 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:02.039 It met our I'm sorry it met our minimum stacking 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.039 requirements from a public 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:08.480 library that's our main concern is really backing up into 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:09.599 Carroll with 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.460 these parking parking spaces that you know the car has to 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:13.279 wait for a car to 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.920 back out and exit will that result in a stacking back into 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.720 Carroll Boulevard and 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.410 that's those parking spaces are far back are into the side 00:26:23.410 --> 00:26:24.640 enough to prevent 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:31.319 that from happening. Continue sure. Yeah so what is that 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:33.039 walk me through I mean 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.980 because I don't just my experience with that filling 00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:37.440 station so you have where 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:43.200 the crosswalk is you'll have the air station is just to the 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.599 north of that 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.700 which in and of itself causes a little bit of a backup and 00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:51.200 then so most people 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:55.400 avoid that second driveway near that crosswalk and they 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:56.480 would opt to pull 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:03.109 into that back one there and so I just no no the yes right 00:27:03.109 --> 00:27:04.160 there so I think 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:09.859 most people coming on to the site use that entrance and it 00:27:09.859 --> 00:27:11.519 's almost before you 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.339 see the gas station so it's kind of almost like a second 00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:15.440 thoughts like oh I'll 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.279 pull in here type thing and so I'm really I'm just curious 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.519 how many cars you you 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:27.259 will stack there I guess is the simplest question if if 00:27:27.259 --> 00:27:28.759 someone's backing out 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.059 let's say in the first base of the yellow nearest the 00:27:31.059 --> 00:27:32.480 building how many 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.759 cars can you get waiting before it gets on the Carol if a 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.039 car was in these 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.130 spaces and happen to block the traffic from entering the 00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:42.880 site yes how many 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.789 cars would it would it take to back in the Carol yes sir it 00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:46.599 is four vehicles 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:54.599 four okay thank you commissioner Taylor thank you chair so 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:55.839 I noticed on the 00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:00.000 original site plan there is an area of pervious paving yes 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:00.880 and that's 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.480 approximately where the parking spots are now behind to the 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:05.960 yeah so that's and 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.599 it's ten feet off the building and it's 20 feet wide so if 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.359 you go to the the new 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.410 the new site plan that's basically just exactly where those 00:28:15.410 --> 00:28:17.599 yellow spots are and 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:22.519 why was that pervious this is all it was for fire access 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:24.759 for fire access so that 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:29.829 was not used for so normally nobody volunteers for pervious 00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:31.359 paving so I was 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:34.450 wondering if there was a requirement if they were using per 00:28:34.450 --> 00:28:35.960 vious paving because 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:41.539 they were exceeding some other I am not sure because they 00:28:41.539 --> 00:28:42.640 don't they don't get 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:47.890 close to the the maximum lot coverage so I'm not really 00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:49.519 sure why they elected to 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:54.680 do those pervious there instead of pavement and I guess 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.240 that that is the 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.250 most significant addition of concrete is that 34 by 70 is 00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:01.640 basically all new yes 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.440 sir that's where most of the 10,000 square feet of new 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:09.920 pavement is okay I'll 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.920 ask some questions and I guess nobody else 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:22.029 currently they're at 68 and they're permitted to have 85 00:29:22.029 --> 00:29:23.480 percent coverage 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:28.910 there they're there as proposed it would be 68 I believe it 00:29:28.910 --> 00:29:30.720 's 46 percent how 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.750 they are now they're way under though from what they could 00:29:33.750 --> 00:29:38.039 be there have it 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.230 after this they'll have a 25 percent tree canopy they're 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:42.279 only required to have 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:48.529 20 yes so why are they having to plant four two-inch trees 00:29:48.529 --> 00:29:50.200 and why are they 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.970 putting in that filter out there when their site is in 00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:55.519 compliance it seems 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.170 like they're doing extra things that aren't required they 00:29:58.170 --> 00:29:59.000 actually are 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:04.490 exceeding our required parking and because they're doing 00:30:04.490 --> 00:30:05.960 that staff worked 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.710 with them instead of going through the ADP process we 00:30:09.710 --> 00:30:10.480 actually did work with 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.700 them on doing an ADP for the excess parking because they 00:30:13.700 --> 00:30:14.759 are exceeding the 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:19.410 the permitted parking so but in the end we said let's just 00:30:19.410 --> 00:30:20.160 move forward with the 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.630 SUP because that you know that will be backed up by 00:30:22.630 --> 00:30:24.880 ordinance so and it's it's 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.859 approved by City Council so they're actually doing those 00:30:27.859 --> 00:30:28.920 additional things 00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:32.839 because they are exceeding our maximum parking with imper 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.759 vious surface okay so 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.880 it's the number of parking spaces not not the impervious 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:39.839 not the impervious 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:46.519 okay great thank you sure Commissioner Beck just one 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:47.359 general question is the 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.799 applicant gonna be here he will be okay he's on his way I 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:52.920 hope 00:30:54.039 --> 00:31:11.400 thank you thank you Julie okay I'm going to that's the last 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.319 item we have for 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.690 clarification on our work session so at 6 o 2 we're going 00:31:15.690 --> 00:31:16.759 to close our work 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.680 session and we were going to reconvene in this room tonight 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:22.200 due to construction 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.559 and City Council chambers back in this same work session 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.119 room at 630 thank you 00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:36.480 good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.960 Zoning Commission 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:43.880 meeting for December 14 2016 this meeting has been duly 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:44.880 posted and we have 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.420 a quorum present and I'm gonna call our meeting to order at 00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:50.000 635 our first order 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.210 business this evening will be to stand and give the pledge 00:31:52.210 --> 00:31:52.799 the US and the 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.400 Texas flag 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:23.799 honor the Texas flag under God one indivisible 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:34.710 there's just a point of order tonight we do not have 00:32:34.710 --> 00:32:39.799 minutes tonight so I'm going 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:44.619 to move on to our consent agenda and since we're in our the 00:32:44.619 --> 00:32:45.839 council work 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.329 session meeting tonight we will not have electronic voting 00:32:51.329 --> 00:32:52.279 will just be doing 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.000 hand votes tonight so with that on our consent agenda the 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:57.720 chair would entertain 00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.960 a motion or if there'd be discussion Commissioner Beck 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.920 thank you chair I move 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.079 we approve consent agenda okay second okay I have a first 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:06.480 from Commissioner 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.079 Beck and a second from Commissioner Taylor for approval any 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:11.240 discussion or 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:18.710 questions seeing none I'll call for a hand vote all those 00:33:18.710 --> 00:33:19.680 in favor raise your 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:26.960 hand right hand all those opposed same sign passes unanim 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.759 ous six to zero that 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.880 will move us to our public hearing section and I'm going to 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.079 open the public 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:43.329 hearing for item a which is z 16 - zero zero two five and I 00:33:43.329 --> 00:33:44.779 will call on Haley 00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:48.240 for presentation on that 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:58.440 I don't have any cars let me announce that just as a second 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.519 I appreciate everybody 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.319 bearing with us tonight since we are not in our normal room 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.400 and we do have cards 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.039 if you would like to speak I don't know if they're just 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:11.159 outside the door tonight 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:15.519 if you'd like to speak please fill out a card you can there 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:16.480 are cards that will 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.650 be marked if you'd like to speak and there are cards if you 00:34:18.650 --> 00:34:19.360 would just like 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.599 your opinions or questions heard and not wishing to speak 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:23.840 there's cards that you 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.460 can do that if you'll just hand those up here to us we'll 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:27.599 take those in and then 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.280 call on you here as we get into the particular items that 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.599 your questions or 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.099 cards are for so with that announcement I'll turn back to H 00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:38.039 aley to for 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.000 presentation on this item yes since we have a little bit of 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:41.559 a crowd I'll go 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.139 ahead and run through the presentation from work session so 00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:45.659 this is case z 16 00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.579 25 for Country Club Road estates the request was to hold a 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:50.599 public hearing and 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.500 consider a request to rezone approximately 15 and a half 00:34:53.500 --> 00:34:54.079 acres from 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.170 neighborhood residential 2 to neighborhood residential 3 00:34:57.170 --> 00:34:57.840 and to rezone 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.960 approximately 20 acres from neighborhood residential 4 to 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:01.300 neighborhood 00:35:01.300 --> 00:35:06.760 residential 3 the property is comprised of four parcels of 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:07.760 land located on the 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.800 east side of Country Club Road just south of Regency Court 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:13.519 some just for a 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.289 reference the property is you can see the Country Club and 00:35:16.289 --> 00:35:17.199 Fort Worth Drive 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.150 intersection at the north side of the map to give you a 00:35:19.150 --> 00:35:20.079 reference point there 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.730 the Regency Oak subdivision adjoins it to the north the Alp 00:35:23.730 --> 00:35:24.960 aceo addition adjoins 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.119 it to the east Bent Creek Estates is located just across 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:28.960 Country Club Road 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.489 and then a tributary of Hickory Creek runs north south 00:35:32.489 --> 00:35:35.000 through the property so 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.570 as I mentioned earlier currently 15 and a half acres are z 00:35:37.570 --> 00:35:38.480 oned in our two that's 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.400 about 43% of the property 20.1 six acres are zoned in our 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:43.440 four that makes up about 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.389 56% of the property and the proposal is to take all four 00:35:47.389 --> 00:35:48.880 parcels to the NR3 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.519 district the future land use designation is low residential 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:54.199 so that allows for 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.780 single-family subdivisions up to four dwelling units per 00:35:56.780 --> 00:35:58.920 acre in density this 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.500 designation encourages new single-family residential 00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.360 development that is 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.869 compatible with existing neighborhoods and promotes a 00:36:04.869 --> 00:36:06.119 variety of housing styles 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:10.849 types and price points some considerations for this rez 00:36:10.849 --> 00:36:11.599 oning to NR3 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.429 is not inconsistent with the surrounding pattern there is 00:36:15.429 --> 00:36:16.840 NR3 located across 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.119 Country Club Road to the west of this property the uses 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:21.400 that are permitted 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.170 within the NR3 district which are primarily single-family 00:36:24.170 --> 00:36:24.920 dwelling units 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.710 are consistent with existing development in the area multif 00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:29.840 amily and duplex uses 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.130 would not be permitted in either the current or the 00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:33.320 proposed zoning districts 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:37.190 and NR3 is also consistent with the future land use 00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:38.599 designation of low 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:45.760 residential so for comparison here's the general 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:46.800 regulations that would apply 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.369 subdivisions greater than two acres don't have minimum lot 00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:51.239 sizes we go by 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.429 a density so NR3 allows up to three and a half dwelling 00:36:54.429 --> 00:36:55.400 units per acre in 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.000 comparison the NR2 portion would allow two and our four 00:36:59.000 --> 00:36:59.719 would allow four 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.300 dwelling units per acre you can see that in the other 00:37:02.300 --> 00:37:04.079 criteria and our three is 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.369 an intermediate between the two existing zoning districts 00:37:07.369 --> 00:37:08.360 so it kind of provides 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.360 a smoother transition in scale and density between the 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.360 current in our two 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.739 subdivisions that surround this and what's being proposed 00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:18.679 currently under the 00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.110 two existing zoning districts it would allow for up to a 00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:22.039 hundred and eleven 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.250 lots or dwelling a hundred and eleven dwelling units per 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:26.840 acre and the 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.619 proposal would allow for a hundred and twenty four lots or 00:37:29.619 --> 00:37:30.519 a hundred and twenty 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.329 four dwelling units per acre the applicant has stated that 00:37:33.329 --> 00:37:34.000 their intent 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.840 would be to develop between 73 and 78 lots in this area 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.679 depending on the final 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.230 physical constraints that are imposed on the area based on 00:37:44.230 --> 00:37:45.760 floodplain that exists 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.139 as you can see here in blue that's the existing floodplain 00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.239 that surrounds that 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:54.519 tributary to Hickory Creek and notifications were sent 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:55.659 about this we 00:37:55.659 --> 00:37:58.360 received two in opposition one in favor one that was 00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:59.519 neutral and one that was 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:03.639 undecided and staff is recommending approval of the request 00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:04.679 because of its 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.530 compatibility with the surrounding land uses and its 00:38:07.530 --> 00:38:08.679 consistency with the 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:13.320 objectives of the Denton plan 2030 so I'll stand for any 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.480 questions any 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:22.829 questions for staff of the Commission thank you Haley we 00:38:22.829 --> 00:38:26.360 have some cards while 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.030 I'm going through the cards I think we have the applicant 00:38:29.030 --> 00:38:30.119 here who wishes to 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.760 speak and let him go ahead and call on Lee Allison the 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:36.599 applicant or representing 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:41.960 the applicant or some additional information and we'll go 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:43.199 through cards 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:48.539 the public and ask you all to come as well just a reminder 00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.559 since you do 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.519 represent the applicant you'll have a total of ten minutes 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:53.780 and if the 00:38:53.780 --> 00:38:56.610 applicant would like to speak as well they have ten minutes 00:38:56.610 --> 00:38:57.679 for a total of 20 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.599 between all of you representing the applicant thank you I'm 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:02.159 do my best to 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.320 keep it to three or four my name is Lee Allison with 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.659 Allison engineering group 00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:10.280 I'm here representing this project Kent Key could not be 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.159 here this evening Lance 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.170 Holdorf our project manager from Allison engineering is 00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:17.300 with me as well we are 00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:20.659 for the moment calling this country club estate spending 00:39:20.659 --> 00:39:21.880 another name at another 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.030 date I'd like to just supplement the staff comments there's 00:39:25.030 --> 00:39:25.880 some rumors and 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.780 concerns that have been going around we heard an indication 00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:29.559 that somebody 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.550 thought there was going to be apartments out there well 00:39:31.550 --> 00:39:32.719 that's absolutely not the 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:38.420 case none of these zoning card categories allows apartments 00:39:38.420 --> 00:39:38.880 at all 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.820 there had been discussion in some of the comments turned in 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:42.719 about a drainage 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.409 plan well the drainage plan is currently underway we've 00:39:45.409 --> 00:39:46.440 already started an 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.659 alternative ESA application we had hoped to bring that 00:39:49.659 --> 00:39:51.079 through tonight with the 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.119 zoning but we've learned we have to have an approved 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:54.519 preliminary plan so we're 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.989 working on that and that'll be coming to you hopefully in 00:39:57.989 --> 00:39:59.159 the near future on the 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:03.219 same agenda discussions about traffic of course there'll be 00:40:03.219 --> 00:40:04.159 traffic that's why the 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.719 city has a traffic master thoroughfare plan this works well 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:08.400 with that I don't 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.340 think we're punched punching the density enough to affect 00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:12.260 that and we'll be 00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:15.320 paying impact fees that will help the city implement its 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:16.639 thoroughfare plans 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.000 one neighbor I believe to the east mentioned some drainage 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.079 problems and as I 00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.880 read through their comments to the city they sound like 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.880 some significant 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:30.230 drainage problems however that is upstream or uphill from 00:40:30.230 --> 00:40:30.980 us so we're not 00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:33.889 draining on to their property nor contributing to those 00:40:33.889 --> 00:40:35.460 problems at the 00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.739 same time if there's any way that we could work along with 00:40:38.739 --> 00:40:39.599 the city on our 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.960 project to leave the problems we will I think Earl can 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.239 testify at a recent 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.280 project Meadows Oaks we learned about some far downstream 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:49.320 drainage problems 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.789 after we already had approved construction plans and we 00:40:51.789 --> 00:40:52.320 went in and 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.179 redid the street grading on those to avoid that so we're 00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:56.199 ready to work with 00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:00.079 those kind of things as that happens the NR2 zoning some 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.199 concern well there's 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.239 actually a very awkward zoning situation here as you've 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:05.559 seen earlier we got an 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:10.199 NR4 in the tan color and NR2 in the yellow the NR4 allows 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:11.039 four homes per 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.280 acre and the NR2 allows two homes per acre it's kind of a 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.280 weird split with 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.500 this being over a two acre site we're not subject to the 00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:21.300 minimum lot 00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:24.250 dimensions so we could squeeze all the lots in or somebody 00:41:24.250 --> 00:41:25.320 can squeeze all the 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:32.750 lots in as they intend to oops I'm going wrong now I'm 00:41:32.750 --> 00:41:35.760 really in trouble 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.719 some have already jumped to our concept plan we mentioned 00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:42.500 that I know the 00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:47.630 concept plans are not part of the zoning consideration but 00:41:47.630 --> 00:41:49.280 our initial concepts 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.920 if we reclaim the part of the ESA would give us about 73 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:54.679 lots we've put a 00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.449 maximum of 78 Kent wants to have 16,000 square foot lots 00:41:59.449 --> 00:42:00.980 minimum to the east of 00:42:00.980 --> 00:42:04.769 the drainage area and about 12,000 square foot lots minimum 00:42:04.769 --> 00:42:05.400 to west which 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:09.429 is much greater than what the code requires again as we go 00:42:09.429 --> 00:42:10.639 through the ESA 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.199 and the preliminary plan we'll get to that this is an 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:14.679 aerial photograph of the 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:18.449 site one thing I want to point out here primarily is all 00:42:18.449 --> 00:42:19.679 the houses that front 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.769 Country Club Road the intention is to move those off and 00:42:22.769 --> 00:42:23.719 get rid of those 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.619 driveways onto Country Club Road which I think would be an 00:42:26.619 --> 00:42:27.559 enhancement to the 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:33.760 traffic situation let me go back me and this mouse are not 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:34.920 getting a question 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.360 Commissioner Beck thank you chair so are you talking about 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.079 the houses on the 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.880 property that face Country Club Road all those what are you 00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:44.980 gonna what you're 00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:49.360 moving those he's got a development out in the county 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.840 somewhere I'm sorry I don't 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.340 know the locating I can't disclose it I don't know it it's 00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:54.559 okay but he plans to 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.679 move those they're still structurally in pretty good 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.400 condition but they don't fit 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.940 in with the neighborhood that he's wanting to develop plus 00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:01.960 all the accesses 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:08.230 to Country Club Road and the fact that they all would need 00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:09.800 individual lots and 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.320 it just wouldn't work well yeah well that's good news 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:17.440 thanks Lee and why in the world can I 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:25.909 I'm sorry I may need all ten minutes just to work these 00:43:25.909 --> 00:43:26.559 power points 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:32.320 all right it worked they let me turn on and close all the 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.320 kid as long as I close 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:39.320 without saving okay all right there we go and there was the 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:39.760 concept 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.179 planet this one we're showing a access from I'll try and 00:43:43.179 --> 00:43:44.519 use the pointer to the 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.159 east on metal and road to come through and across across 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:50.000 the ESA up here 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:56.079 because it's developed floodplain and then come back out to 00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.960 Country Club Road 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.150 we've discussed with staff previously and access to the 00:44:01.150 --> 00:44:02.440 south however with the 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.400 master thoroughfare plan and the arterial coming across 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.280 there were some 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.980 issues with it but that's not a closed discussion at this 00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:15.280 time and that shows 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.469 the extent of the ESA and we're preparing an alternate ESA 00:44:18.469 --> 00:44:19.159 for to be able 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.059 to bring that in but not get in not get into the stream 00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:23.320 buffer ESA just to be 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.699 able to narrow the the floodplain ESA and recover some 00:44:27.699 --> 00:44:29.239 property there that's 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.800 really just primarily mowed grass we're staying outside of 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:32.679 the tree line and 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.599 outside of the floodplain ESA I mean stream buffer ESA but 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:38.679 again that's for 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.960 further consideration and not for consideration tonight 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:41.599 just give you an 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:45.639 idea where we're headed I'll pause and be available for 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:46.920 questions at this time if 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.769 you have any oh I did want to bring up I'm sorry because it 00:44:49.769 --> 00:44:50.280 wasn't in my 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.969 slides the zoning ordinance I think it's always good to 00:44:54.969 --> 00:44:55.760 look at it 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.380 comprehensively we're real quick to look at density like 00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:00.519 how many homes each one 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:05.159 allows but at the same time nr3 has a maximum coverage of 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.440 50% while nr4 has a 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.750 maximum coverage of 60% and nr2 of course has maximum of 30 00:45:12.750 --> 00:45:14.039 % but you can 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:19.539 still put a 3,000 square foot home in nr2 on a 9,000 square 00:45:19.539 --> 00:45:21.159 foot lot as long as 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.590 you don't have more than X number lot so even without 00:45:23.590 --> 00:45:24.679 recovering the flood 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.579 planes so you could develop in accordance with these 00:45:27.579 --> 00:45:29.519 existing zones and 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.619 not get into them but you'd end up with much smaller lots 00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:32.599 and much smaller homes 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.519 and a very different appearance than if we can keep the 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.159 spread out a large lot 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.440 appearance that Kent is trying to carry through and 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:41.679 transition down to the 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:46.590 Country Club Road now I'll stop wait for any questions or 00:45:46.590 --> 00:45:47.039 comments 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:53.280 Commissioner back thank you chair you had mentioned in our 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:53.760 background 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.400 information we mentioned that you intend to utilize area 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.360 around the creek as 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.590 urban green space within the neighborhood so could you and 00:46:03.590 --> 00:46:03.960 I know 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.690 we're dealing with a rezoning issue here but we've touched 00:46:06.690 --> 00:46:07.480 on the development 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.280 aspect that can you just detail are we looking at maybe a 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.280 park or just leaving 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.050 it open as pure green space basically according to the didn 00:46:15.050 --> 00:46:15.960 't development code 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.239 this area in here would be its own individual lot that 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:21.559 would be a green 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:26.010 space it would be also for drainage purposes but it could 00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:27.599 have walking track 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:31.610 bike paths through there if it should be continued through 00:46:31.610 --> 00:46:32.960 other neighborhoods 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.000 that's a potential if not it's still a green space for this 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:36.920 area to utilize 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:43.039 individually thank you Commissioner Roselle thank you chair 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.320 thank you mr. 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.559 Allison for your presentation just so I'm I'm understanding 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.119 you correctly this 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:54.840 project could go forward with the split zoning the the 00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.920 reason y'all have chosen 00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:00.610 to come for rezoning is so that the east part of the 00:47:00.610 --> 00:47:02.960 property would not be forced 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.539 to be developed denser you want a less dense development on 00:47:08.539 --> 00:47:09.639 the east side am I 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.250 understanding that correctly that is correct I'm getting a 00:47:12.250 --> 00:47:12.960 little better at 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.969 this basically within the area that's colored tan we'd have 00:47:16.969 --> 00:47:17.679 to put four lots 00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.179 per acre to get our density out of that with the stream 00:47:20.179 --> 00:47:21.440 buffer that goes through 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.019 there and you can kind of see where the creek falls that 00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:25.920 means let's say there's 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.219 20 acres we could get 80 homes in there but we'd be putting 00:47:29.219 --> 00:47:30.760 all 80 homes in this 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.440 area right here I don't know that would even get 80 but you 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:34.320 know we could pack 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:38.840 it in on five six thousand square foot lots on in our four 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.599 thank you and we're 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:47.239 not wanting to do that somebody could not I'll ask a 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:49.719 question at this point 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.079 that property is already zoned in our four yes you all are 00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:53.920 basically wanting 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.929 to rezone the whole entire property to in our three yes I 00:47:57.929 --> 00:47:59.519 think in our four 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:03.980 allows in certain instances that you can have duplexes in 00:48:03.980 --> 00:48:05.400 the site I'm 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.559 understanding correctly so currently the way it's on 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:11.000 somebody could come in and 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.010 and do duplexes on the in our four part if they wanted to 00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:16.159 under in our three 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:21.269 that's not permitted has to be single-family home so it's 00:48:21.269 --> 00:48:22.559 almost if 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:26.480 you're a neighbor to the east and if you're concerned about 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:27.679 the development I 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.219 would see that the in our three rezone would probably be an 00:48:31.219 --> 00:48:32.519 enhancement and more 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.030 of a protection against the possibility what could go in 00:48:35.030 --> 00:48:35.920 there the way it's 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:42.610 owned as is that first statement or that's a very fair 00:48:42.610 --> 00:48:45.199 statement even though 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.800 I know people are always concerned about things being 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.440 developed it is already 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.139 zoned in our four and actually you're down zoning that 00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:54.360 portion of the property 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.380 and asking for an up zoning on the front part from in our 00:48:57.380 --> 00:48:58.960 two to our three so 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.679 you're going down against existing neighborhood and going 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:02.239 up against 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:09.239 country club road okay any other questions for the 00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:09.639 applicants 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:16.039 representative okay thank you Lee appreciate it and I'm not 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:16.519 going anywhere 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.760 so something comes up 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:29.320 no did you want to okay I have sir if if you want to if you 00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:30.840 want to speak you can 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.010 fill out a card but you can't address the individuals at 00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:41.559 the podium okay sure 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.579 you want to have any come back on it's probably a question 00:49:45.579 --> 00:49:47.199 for okay Earl would 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:51.639 you come up and then we've got a question 00:49:53.159 --> 00:50:03.090 so my question is about traffic routing and the disarray 00:50:03.090 --> 00:50:05.840 that country club road 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.340 currently is in and I understand that the applicant was 00:50:09.340 --> 00:50:10.679 saying that removal 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.699 of those homes might reduce driveways access to country 00:50:13.699 --> 00:50:14.639 club but we're also 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:18.769 introducing a lot of homes directly on the country club did 00:50:18.769 --> 00:50:20.559 the city look at 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.210 what will happen to the neighborhood to the east because I 00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.760 live in the area and 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.800 my first thought is individuals that want to get down to 24 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.679 99 and Geyer they 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:37.320 could bypass country club Ryan Hobson and all that mess by 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:37.960 just going through 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:41.599 the existing neighborhood was that looked at and studied 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:42.599 and if so what was 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:50.639 the outcome it's really hard to tell because you know 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.239 traffic depending on 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:56.570 where you're going you can assume a split but that's that's 00:50:56.570 --> 00:50:57.239 what it is it's 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.760 just an assumption you could head east which then head 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:02.719 south to get you to I 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:04.710 believe it's Ryan right and that can get you either way 00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:05.840 either back to country 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:11.159 club or to Teasley or you could head north on country club 00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:12.579 to get the 377 00:51:12.579 --> 00:51:16.530 textile is currently going to begin construction on 377 00:51:16.530 --> 00:51:18.480 from the highway all 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.699 the way down just south of country club road they're gonna 00:51:21.699 --> 00:51:22.360 widen that to six 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.360 lanes and they're also gonna do some improvements on FM 18 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:26.239 30 which is 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:30.989 country club road from Fort Worth Drive to Hobson they're 00:51:30.989 --> 00:51:32.199 gonna widen that the 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.860 four lanes just to improve that intersection you know 00:51:35.860 --> 00:51:37.159 country club road 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:41.869 is FM 1830 is a textile roadway the city has in the past 00:51:41.869 --> 00:51:43.400 applied for signal at 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.570 Hobson and country club road and was denied by textile 00:51:46.570 --> 00:51:47.480 because of its 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.869 vicinity to the intersection with the US 377 we've also 00:51:52.869 --> 00:51:55.000 performed weren't a 00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:02.119 signal weren't analysis over at FM 1830 and Ryan as well as 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.800 1830 and Hickory Creek 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:10.800 and they both did not meet text odds warrants but as soon 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.079 as it as soon as 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.760 it does then we'll begin design and construction of those 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:16.719 are those warrants 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.489 explicitly detailed or we all applying trying to figure out 00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:21.840 what those warrants 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:26.219 were how we know we're in rat that threshold text dot has 00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:26.679 certain 00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.239 thresholds they have eight warrants that we have to meet 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.559 and and we did not meet 00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:38.110 those and I know that text dots working in 2017 for the 377 00:52:38.110 --> 00:52:40.239 and also that 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.159 Teasley Lillian Miller is what's the do you know the 00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:47.800 schedule on 1830 and or 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.269 Ryan is there any schedule for improvements on those two 00:52:52.269 --> 00:52:53.360 roads there 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:56.860 are no planned improvements pass Hobson for country club at 00:52:56.860 --> 00:53:00.920 this time but 1830 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:06.800 from Hobson to 377 slated for February 2017 Teasley is I 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:07.679 believe it's June of 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:13.440 next year okay thank you Commissioner Beck 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.719 as well no no I have a question for Earl before we move on 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:19.480 I was going to offer 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.110 something to Commissioner Roeville that might alleviate the 00:53:22.110 --> 00:53:23.079 concern because I I 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.900 kind of looked at that too how metal land comes in and 00:53:25.900 --> 00:53:28.079 connects country club to 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:32.530 areas East but probably the only people that would use that 00:53:32.530 --> 00:53:33.840 would be the people 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.010 in the new development because it does some zigging and sag 00:53:37.010 --> 00:53:37.440 ging and if you 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.820 wanted to get a place quick to the issue I think more 00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:42.559 likely take Hobson or Ryan 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.050 Roe but that's just an opinion of course I did have a 00:53:46.050 --> 00:53:47.719 follow-up question for how 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:51.480 long ago was a study done on the warrants for Ryan last 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:52.400 year last year 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:56.090 is that so that did they take into consideration all the 00:53:56.090 --> 00:53:57.360 new developments 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.190 that are going in currently on Ryan or is it just a actual 00:54:00.190 --> 00:54:01.000 traffic it was 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.269 actually on the ground counts okay and that's what text dot 00:54:04.269 --> 00:54:05.340 will they will not 00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:08.920 permit a signal unless it's based on actual on the ground 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:10.519 counts okay so we 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:13.750 know warrants so when those subdivisions come in the city 00:54:13.750 --> 00:54:15.000 can go back and do a 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.880 new train account that's correct with all the new traffic 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:18.559 that will be on there 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.000 and see now if those intersections would meet the criteria 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:23.320 possibly for a signal 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:26.719 but not until the homes are built the people are in it and 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:27.960 the traffic is even 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.079 worse than it is now and I think we performed a count 00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:33.440 before last year 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.389 sometime and it actually did me more and then we went back 00:54:36.389 --> 00:54:37.119 last year to 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.579 re-perform those counts at those intersections and it didn 00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:41.360 't meet counts 00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:44.000 I think our traffic department thought there was maybe some 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.679 redirectional 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:54.480 traffic because of 2499 possibly or I guess 2499 to 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:55.920 completion 2499 was done 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.559 recently so okay this may be one more level of detail do 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:01.239 they do the count 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.800 just for the the day or is it during certain times of the 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.199 day how precise is 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.320 account because it's a 24-hour count again text out has 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:10.800 eight warrants we have 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.150 to meet the peak our warrant we have to meet a four-hour 00:55:13.150 --> 00:55:14.159 warrants and an eight 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.829 hour one okay I know during depending on when what time you 00:55:17.829 --> 00:55:18.599 're getting there 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.280 around school time and work time getting out of those 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.239 neighborhoods the traffic 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:29.630 backup on Ryan and Hobson is extensive during those times 00:55:29.630 --> 00:55:30.519 later middle of the 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:33.039 morning it's not as bad I don't know if there's a 00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:34.559 particular time that they do 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.880 or it's not time sensitive it's not time sensitive okay 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:38.800 great thank you any other 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:44.300 questions for Earl or another staff member actually kind of 00:55:44.300 --> 00:55:44.920 a comment 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:48.119 bringing in some history on cut-through traffic okay sure 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.309 Commissioner Taylor thank you chair I was just going to say 00:55:50.309 --> 00:55:54.159 the the master the 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.800 mobility master plan since the at least the late 1980s had 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.699 had El Paseo as an 00:56:00.699 --> 00:56:06.210 arterial connecting from 1832 Teasley and that had not been 00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:08.199 a popular idea and 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:13.460 it finally got removed from from that role about four years 00:56:13.460 --> 00:56:15.639 ago or so so in 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.449 theory you know on our 20 year ago plan El Paseo would have 00:56:20.449 --> 00:56:21.159 come through 00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:24.010 probably just on the very south side of this property been 00:56:24.010 --> 00:56:25.960 a major arterial all 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.789 the way across to Teasley and on both ends there were 00:56:29.789 --> 00:56:31.320 people fighting it so it 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:33.730 won't connect and that does prevent this from being a good 00:56:33.730 --> 00:56:34.679 way to get to Teasley 00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.929 because if you do manage to get over into the neighborhood 00:56:37.929 --> 00:56:39.639 on El Paseo you 00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.039 can't really you can get to Montecito but you can't really 00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:42.679 get out of that 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.849 neighborhood so you know it does does really limit the 00:56:45.849 --> 00:56:47.320 amount of cross traffic 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:51.599 here as opposed to if El Paseo did connect on the Teasley 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.559 side you know this 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:56.789 would any outlet on this side would immediately become a 00:56:56.789 --> 00:56:59.599 highway thank you 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:06.920 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair Earl I'm sorry I just 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:07.360 want to try to 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.409 understand what you said earlier as far as meeting the war 00:57:11.409 --> 00:57:12.679 rants you said we met 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:16.880 some but not all can you elaborate on that at all no no 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.559 what I've met was we 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:24.519 performed a warrant analysis prior to last year and it 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:25.440 actually did meet 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.190 warrants but there were some questions on the numbers and 00:57:29.190 --> 00:57:30.480 accounts so we read 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.460 that we performed those numbers just last year and 00:57:33.460 --> 00:57:35.400 discovered that it didn't 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:40.250 meet warrants okay and do and we don't have a plan to do it 00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:43.079 again we don't 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.300 think there's gonna be a significant change from and within 00:57:46.300 --> 00:57:47.559 12 months so no 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:51.920 plan in place it right now we can I mean whenever we want 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.360 to it's just there 00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.929 hasn't been a significant amount of development since the 00:57:55.929 --> 00:57:57.519 last 12 months to 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:04.250 to warrant additional traffic okay thanks okay any other 00:58:04.250 --> 00:58:05.480 questions for 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.909 staff or I'm going to start calling some of our folks that 00:58:08.909 --> 00:58:10.079 have requested to 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:18.800 speak first card I have is from Donna Zelisco McLaughlin I 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.719 think 3300 Belmont 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:26.960 Street and she is in opposition if you would please come 00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:28.800 okay if you'll give us 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:34.820 your name and address and then that's okay okay Donna Zel 00:58:34.820 --> 00:58:36.440 isco McLaughlin live 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:43.329 at 3300 Belmont Street in Denton I'm also speaking for Rick 00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:44.099 and Kelly 00:58:44.099 --> 00:58:48.900 Wisenhunt there are new neighbors at the 3306 Belmont 00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:50.880 Street house they did not 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:58.010 receive a notification of this hearing and they are also in 00:58:58.010 --> 00:58:59.760 opposition I'm 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:04.440 going to read my notes please okay we're all opposed to 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.239 this proposal for the 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.010 zoning change for the following reasons one changes in the 00:59:10.010 --> 00:59:11.519 landscape environment 00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:14.929 and the property generally located on the east side of 00:59:14.929 --> 00:59:16.320 Country Club Road and 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.550 directly west of our property to increase density of the 00:59:20.550 --> 00:59:21.760 land will enhance 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:26.400 the probability of continued flooding of our property we 00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:27.880 moved to this property 00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:32.650 in June 2007 our house was the fourth house built on this 00:59:32.650 --> 00:59:34.400 side of Belmont our 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.650 property experienced flooding at the time it was built in 00:59:37.650 --> 00:59:38.599 doing two other 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:42.519 rainy storms over the years since then the house south to 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.639 ours which is the 3306 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:48.679 Belmont Street was built two years before ours had 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:50.920 experienced water problems 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.570 prior to our house being built and also continues to have 00:59:54.570 --> 00:59:56.239 backyard water issues 00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:01.389 during extreme rains we have built two French drains and a 01:00:01.389 --> 01:00:02.519 major retaining wall 01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.880 on the south side of our house in order to control water 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:07.320 damage to our property 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:11.599 and to the 3306 Belmont property on the north side of our 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:12.599 house in order to 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.750 allow water to flow freely to the street we have not 01:00:15.750 --> 01:00:17.519 landscaped beyond putting in 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.250 a lawn the extraordinary amount of water on the north side 01:00:21.250 --> 01:00:22.119 of the house is the 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:25.079 result of higher elevations of the developed properties 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:25.880 north of us and 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:31.000 from water that flows west of us water continues to drain 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:32.519 to Belmont Street on 01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:36.610 the north side of our house even on days after it stops 01:00:36.610 --> 01:00:38.320 raining and all you have 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:41.559 to do is come and you will see the water coming underneath 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:42.800 the front of our lawn 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:49.320 going into Belmont Street any environmental or watershed 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:50.079 protection 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:54.090 protector team should be able to identify this problem area 01:00:54.090 --> 01:00:54.960 from Belmont 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.320 Street also if you came during the storm you would see from 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.800 Belmont from the 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.469 north side of Belmont Street where the cul-de-sac is it g 01:01:04.469 --> 01:01:06.599 ushes down so 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:11.579 forcefully during an extreme rain that the drain draining 01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.320 cannot empty out from 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.449 the French drains because the power from coming down Bel 01:01:17.449 --> 01:01:19.840 mont is strong water has 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:23.489 flooded our yard and has reached our back door beside the 01:01:23.489 --> 01:01:24.559 back door of the 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.570 house through our patio despite efforts to direct water 01:01:28.570 --> 01:01:29.559 away from the house 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:33.940 there is a distance of approximately 40 feet from our west 01:01:33.940 --> 01:01:35.079 boundary where a 01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:39.090 grove of trees also provides a barrier to any kind of water 01:01:39.090 --> 01:01:40.960 flow since Belmont 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:44.070 Street has water gushing from the cul-de-sac which is the 01:01:44.070 --> 01:01:44.960 north end and 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:48.440 because the north end of the street is greatly elevated the 01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:49.519 backyards in the 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.719 middle of the estates of El Paso decision that's the homes 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:54.719 that are 01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:58.210 between Belmont and Preetness which is that whole 01:01:58.210 --> 01:01:59.960 neighborhood of the new 01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:03.710 development also have had flooding issues due to the 01:02:03.710 --> 01:02:05.239 natural flow of water 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:09.250 in the area when it's extremely rainy the same time when 01:02:09.250 --> 01:02:10.440 there was flooding in 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:13.960 the downtown Denton area which is why all the work was 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:15.639 being done in downtown is 01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:19.420 when we were aware that the neighbors across the street 01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:20.800 between Belmont and 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:25.710 Preetness had backyard flooding issues our neighborhood is 01:02:25.710 --> 01:02:27.039 zoned in our two 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:30.510 the neighborhood occupies the land that the original ranch 01:02:30.510 --> 01:02:31.519 occupied when it 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:35.300 rains a lot funny became a real issue is what we were told 01:02:35.300 --> 01:02:36.559 by the developer 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.920 decreasing the available natural environment for runoff 01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:41.719 that is the 01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.469 rainfall that is not absorbed by the soil will aggravate 01:02:45.469 --> 01:02:46.360 the existing 01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:50.019 flooding problem don't matter how many houses if it's 01:02:50.019 --> 01:02:51.800 cemented over we're going 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:55.960 to have worth flooding problems do not change the zoning to 01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:57.239 increase density in 01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.360 an area adjacent to ours and therefore decrease the 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.159 property value of the 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:06.809 existing homes on our street removal of any of the trees 01:03:06.809 --> 01:03:08.559 and our for area will 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:12.489 matter your four minutes is up okay thank you for your 01:03:12.489 --> 01:03:14.440 comments I have a 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:18.719 couple questions for you Commissioner Rozelle this first 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:19.639 thank you chair 01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.780 community Commissioner back next mr. Glockland I appreciate 01:03:22.780 --> 01:03:23.679 you you coming and 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:27.119 speaking tonight my mother actually lived on the east side 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:28.119 of Belmont and 01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:31.070 I'm very familiar with the rain waters that come from the 01:03:31.070 --> 01:03:32.280 north down everyone's 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.940 backyard in the center she had a great center fence to 01:03:35.940 --> 01:03:37.199 allow the water to flow 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:42.710 through it's my understanding that that water for the for 01:03:42.710 --> 01:03:43.679 those houses including 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:48.500 your own is from the high elevation of the property to the 01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:50.119 north and that the 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:53.570 property to the west is actually a lower elevation is that 01:03:53.570 --> 01:03:55.000 correct not front if 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.409 you come and look at the side the north side of our house 01:03:58.409 --> 01:03:59.880 between our home and 01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:05.150 the hills home we were told okay we will originally wanted 01:04:05.150 --> 01:04:06.760 to put a driveway 01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:10.230 there we were told we could not because of how the water 01:04:10.230 --> 01:04:12.360 was coming from the 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.630 lot that wants to be rezoned okay and if in this is where 01:04:16.630 --> 01:04:18.760 we're getting water on 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:25.920 that side of the house even after it stops raining and and 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.480 it did yes if 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.840 there's an elevation on the north but there also is it's 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:33.400 not as extreme as the 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:39.400 one on the north but waters coming from west from west 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:41.639 because our fence line 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:46.280 even though we've built up the backyard to the fence line 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:47.719 it's still the only 01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:51.920 thing to do is walk out there and how soggy marshy it is 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.159 after it rains and 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:58.670 then another point not question is the area to the west is 01:04:58.670 --> 01:05:00.199 actually trying to 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.699 rezone to a less dense area this evening they're not trying 01:05:03.699 --> 01:05:04.559 to increase density 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.559 behind your property I'm not sure if you're aware of that 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:09.199 but the the request 01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:14.440 of the applicant yes that was my next statement you 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:15.320 mentioned that you didn't 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.280 want them to increase zoning that isn't happening tonight 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:19.000 that's not even 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:23.429 proposed what's proposed is to decrease the density behind 01:05:23.429 --> 01:05:24.760 your home they want 01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.530 to put more development back there and I'm concerned that 01:05:29.530 --> 01:05:30.199 the fact we're gonna 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:35.260 lose the land that's on the branch that's got the growth 01:05:35.260 --> 01:05:36.960 the growth of trees 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:43.619 and the open land that absorbs water that if it's you know 01:05:43.619 --> 01:05:45.480 it has residences 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:49.780 and driveways and concrete it's the absolute absorption of 01:05:49.780 --> 01:05:51.320 the water will 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:55.639 make our situation worse I understand thank you 01:05:55.639 --> 01:06:00.829 Commissioner Beck thank you chair thank you miss let's go 01:06:00.829 --> 01:06:04.119 and clothland let me 01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.869 kind of help me kind of wrap my head around all this now as 01:06:07.869 --> 01:06:08.559 Commissioner 01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:12.320 Rossell pointed out you really are getting less density 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:13.400 behind you you 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.119 mentioned yes but there's still gonna be development in 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:17.519 there which there will 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:19.920 when y'all bought that house did you ever think there wasn 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:20.559 't gonna be any 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.159 development in there no okay we were told that Meadowlands 01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:25.159 was probably gonna 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.980 be extended between where it is now to Country Club and we 01:06:29.980 --> 01:06:31.239 went back there and 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:35.619 we looked at the homes that are in that little a long 01:06:35.619 --> 01:06:37.159 Country Club room no a 01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:40.690 long Country Club and you go how do you have to get to that 01:06:40.690 --> 01:06:41.840 ranch it looks more 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.309 like somebody's driveway yeah okay and we went back in 01:06:45.309 --> 01:06:46.679 there and checked it all 01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:50.469 out okay so we were aware that they were probably gonna be 01:06:50.469 --> 01:06:51.679 changed so inevitably 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:54.800 the development is gonna happen in and really there's not 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:55.800 much we can do about 01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.860 that if we leave it like it is though and a developer does 01:06:59.860 --> 01:07:00.599 come in then they 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:05.599 will build in more density directly behind you now mr. 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.000 Allison explained 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:10.110 that drainage shouldn't be an issue with their development 01:07:10.110 --> 01:07:11.239 he could elaborate on 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:14.849 it if he wants to but I would think the fact that you're 01:07:14.849 --> 01:07:16.360 experiencing heavy 01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.400 flooding right now you know naturally when a development 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:21.079 comes in doesn't 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:24.019 automatically mean the drainage will increase it could 01:07:24.019 --> 01:07:25.199 improve because they 01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:29.420 have to meet certain criteria to to ensure that wherever 01:07:29.420 --> 01:07:30.440 they develop it 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.530 doesn't drain on to somebody else's property and again I 01:07:32.530 --> 01:07:33.360 understand that is 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.719 a perfect world scenario but nonetheless it could actually 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:38.239 get better than worse 01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.460 I'm aware of that but I just believe that I need to have my 01:07:42.460 --> 01:07:43.440 say and the 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.860 record concerns are because I'm aware here in Denton where 01:07:47.860 --> 01:07:49.000 there's been other 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.840 development that issues have come up granted where there 01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:54.659 weren't issues okay 01:07:54.659 --> 01:08:02.760 very good thank you then thank you next speaker is Robert 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:04.280 McLaughlin at 3300 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:09.690 Belmont to be followed by Diane Garcia as she's coming the 01:08:09.690 --> 01:08:11.440 microphone this is a 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.519 public hearing so anyone that would like to speak on this 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:15.760 item please fill out a 01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:19.060 blue card if you do not want to speak you can fill out a 01:08:19.060 --> 01:08:20.239 white card but we 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.520 will need a card for anyone who does wish to speak you'll 01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:25.340 have can I bring 01:08:25.340 --> 01:08:29.720 this path I don't know if we have that capability tonight 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:30.680 because we're not in 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:35.479 our normal it was up a moment ago okay great in the slide 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:36.680 packet great thank 01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.510 you my mistake will get back to that slide I thought you 01:08:39.510 --> 01:08:40.119 had something you 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.479 wanted to put on the overhead camera 01:08:50.239 --> 01:09:19.720 , okay. I see okay. Okay. 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:27.479 I'm Robert McLaughlin under 3300 Belmont Street. I wanted 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:29.720 to read a statement 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.510 that's included in your packet of information here that 01:09:34.510 --> 01:09:35.979 said the purpose 01:09:35.979 --> 01:09:38.850 of the neighborhood residential zoning districts is to 01:09:38.850 --> 01:09:40.119 preserve or protect the 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:42.979 existing neighborhoods and to ensure that any new 01:09:42.979 --> 01:09:44.640 development is compatible 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:50.149 with the existing land uses patterns and design standards. 01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:52.199 I would contend that we 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:57.569 haven't met that compatibility requirement because the vast 01:09:57.569 --> 01:09:58.600 majority it 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:02.489 doesn't show on this map well but the vast majority of the 01:10:02.489 --> 01:10:03.960 existing neighborhood 01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:07.869 is the Forest Ridge-El Pasayo area which incorporates 01:10:07.869 --> 01:10:09.699 several hundred acres to 01:10:09.699 --> 01:10:15.090 the east and city staff has identified the small Bend Creek 01:10:15.090 --> 01:10:17.359 Estates area it's 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:22.220 the NR3 area as a cross country club as the area that we're 01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:23.960 comparing to so I'm 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:27.750 kind of like we've got a tree but we're comparing it to a 01:10:27.750 --> 01:10:30.399 single leaf the El 01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:35.569 Pasayo area is much much more established and I think is 01:10:35.569 --> 01:10:36.640 the area that 01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:41.279 we should be comparing to so my point would be I recognize 01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:42.399 the fact that the 01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.800 NR3 development or designation is somewhat of an 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.399 improvement from NR4 but 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.199 I feel like you haven't asked them to go quite far enough 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:52.600 if you want to preserve 01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:56.159 the El Pasayo Forest Ridge designation and how it's all put 01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:57.760 together this lot 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:03.439 should be all NR2 and then as it's developed it was going 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:04.159 to be much more 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.270 compatible with what we have there I think you would have 01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:09.760 somewhere between 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:14.640 65 and 70 homes I understand from mr. Allison's 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:15.800 presentation that they're 01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:24.119 producing 78 73 to 78 what worries me is if if mr. Loughlin 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:24.760 could we get you to 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:26.609 speak in the microphone because they're having a hard time 01:11:26.609 --> 01:11:27.279 hearing you in the 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:31.920 back we record the meetings thank you quite all right my 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:33.680 concern with the NR 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:37.520 3 designation is once that's granted is there anything 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.760 which would impede or 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:45.199 prohibit the maximum development of that land which would 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:47.000 be up to about 125 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:53.359 homes okay I didn't think so so my request would be that I 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:54.399 think that in our 01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:58.560 two designation is much more appropriate to this property 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.199 and that I would urge 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.529 you to reject this request from the developer and ask them 01:12:04.529 --> 01:12:05.479 to represent it 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:10.250 as an NR 2 and to preserve the forest region El Pasayo area 01:12:10.250 --> 01:12:11.439 thank you 01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.800 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I appreciate your 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:16.920 feedback I currently live 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:21.300 in the NR 2 that you're speaking of and I appreciate the 01:12:21.300 --> 01:12:22.159 considerations that 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:25.520 that you're making mr. Allison and his presentation said 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:26.880 that to the east of 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:33.000 the floodplain area there are going to be lots of 16,000 01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:34.920 square feet which is 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:42.600 0.36 acres which is the roughly the current size of the 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.279 lots to the west of 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:49.600 Belmont and then certainly into forest rich proper 0.36 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.960 acres is on par with 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:56.279 the forest search development correct we're close but not 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:57.800 quite there in the 01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.640 sense of yeah there are parts of forest ridge that do have 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:02.600 some smaller lots 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:09.560 than the 0.5 acres but an NR 2 would give us the larger lot 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.199 size less coverage 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.770 on the lot and we would be more compatible with several 01:13:14.770 --> 01:13:15.760 hundred homes 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:21.479 which exists there I understand that the NR 2 though the 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:22.840 actual property wouldn't 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:27.270 be half acres when you actually consider roads drainages 01:13:27.270 --> 01:13:28.880 coverage so the density 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.699 for foresters although in our two I don't know if there's 01:13:31.699 --> 01:13:32.399 any half acre 01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.779 properties in forest rich proper you know old phase one 01:13:36.779 --> 01:13:38.439 phase two of forest 01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.819 ridge they're going to be less than half acre lots so even 01:13:41.819 --> 01:13:42.720 if we had in our two 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:46.260 designation which you might be proposing they wouldn't 01:13:46.260 --> 01:13:47.840 achieve a half acre 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:51.850 designation for clarification all right I don't know if 01:13:51.850 --> 01:13:52.840 that would be a 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:56.960 possibility well I can only speak for my home and 01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.119 certainly partly from my neighbors but we have half acre 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:01.680 lots there along Belmont 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:06.520 Street so we knew that this area would be developed as you 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:07.800 had pointed out that 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:12.680 was no surprise but we had always been led to believe that 01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:13.640 when it was developed 01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:17.930 it would be a continuation of the Alpacao development and 01:14:17.930 --> 01:14:18.600 would be 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:24.789 developed in the same residential zoning capacity or I'm 01:14:24.789 --> 01:14:25.960 not sure which one I'm 01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:30.609 looking for there and so the NR 3 is a bit of a surprise 01:14:30.609 --> 01:14:31.640 and kind of a rude 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.539 surprise it's not what we were expecting to have happen 01:14:34.539 --> 01:14:38.399 sure thank you any other 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:44.310 questions thank you sir appreciate your comments next 01:14:44.310 --> 01:14:46.239 speaker I have is Diane 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:52.840 Garcia speaking in opposition to be followed by Paul Wadley 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:59.159 hello I'm Diane 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:05.039 Garcia I live at 120 West Alpacao which goes is the 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:06.479 intersection with Belmont 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:11.739 and I am quite concerned about this proposal I'm concerned 01:15:11.739 --> 01:15:12.840 about the traffic 01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:17.020 flow and the fact that people wishing to make the 01:15:17.020 --> 01:15:19.119 connection with Meadowlands is 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.539 going to come are going to come assuming they'll help us 01:15:21.539 --> 01:15:24.239 say I'm to make the current 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:28.460 the turn I really ask and I'm sure this has been considered 01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:29.159 but has it been 01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:33.199 seriously considered that all accesses be off Country Club 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:34.399 Country Club is 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:42.050 already a mess and so this would just be part of it I'm 01:15:42.050 --> 01:15:44.119 also concerned about the 01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:48.960 density rating and as most of the McLaughlin said I would I 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:50.319 appreciate the 01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:54.970 lowering from in our four to three and I would appreciate 01:15:54.970 --> 01:15:56.880 more serious concerns 01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:02.529 toward the in our two for this great thank you thank you 01:16:02.529 --> 01:16:03.680 for your comments any 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:10.359 questions thank you ma'am next speaker will be Paul Wadley 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:11.720 followed by Lisa 01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:19.689 Hill thank you everyone for allowing me to speak I live at 01:16:19.689 --> 01:16:21.039 801 Regency Court 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:24.289 which is on the northern border of the proposed development 01:16:24.289 --> 01:16:25.279 and we've kind of 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:27.600 been in our own little world for a long time just kind of 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:28.520 houses right off of 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.010 Country Club and we've seen developments go up directly 01:16:31.010 --> 01:16:32.399 across Country Club and 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.600 it affected the traffic significantly there are times of 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:36.600 the day where you 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:39.300 look to my left and there's cars backed up from hops and 01:16:39.300 --> 01:16:40.800 for miles my concern is 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.720 traffic number one on a more selfish concern the back my 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.479 backyard is lined by 01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:50.180 some very tall lovely trees I would hate to see those go 01:16:50.180 --> 01:16:51.279 for me to look at 01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:54.640 another neighborhood think it would significantly affect 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:55.560 all the value of 01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.300 the properties on that northern border and kind of our own 01:16:58.300 --> 01:16:59.279 formerly isolated 01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:01.680 land on the plus side I think moving those houses on 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:02.840 Country Club sounds like 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:06.680 a stellar idea there's currently heavy metal music played 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:07.239 from one of those 01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:11.359 houses till 1 2 a.m. most nights of the week so having that 01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:11.960 gone would be 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:16.640 phenomenal but I'm concerned about the trees mostly traffic 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:18.119 secondarily and 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.270 would mostly just like to talk to mr. Allison about the 01:17:21.270 --> 01:17:22.600 plans for preserving 01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:29.880 natural beauty of that line thank you commissioner Hesbeth 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:31.880 what just so I can 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:34.640 get I'm gonna look afterwards what is your address again 01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:35.199 you know one 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:39.579 Regency right there on Country Club where it's become quite 01:17:39.579 --> 01:17:41.199 busy thank you 01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.800 sir sure thing Commissioner Beck thank you chair I was 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:45.439 hoping 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:52.340 Commissioner would ask but can you point out where your 01:17:52.340 --> 01:17:54.520 property is located you 01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:58.119 were concerned about trees this is my property here okay 01:17:58.119 --> 01:17:58.880 right on the corner 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:04.119 and our backyard line is lined with trees that are pretty 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:05.760 impressive tall 01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:09.779 trees I see cranes live in those trees but I looked and 01:18:09.779 --> 01:18:10.600 they're not protected 01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:15.960 species or anything so I can't get away with that okay 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:16.479 great thank you 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:22.489 before you go hey would you raise your hand mr. Watley may 01:18:22.489 --> 01:18:23.279 want to get with you 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.640 about his concern about trees that's our specialists here 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:27.800 in the student with 01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.710 trees that can tell you how our tree code will kick in on 01:18:30.710 --> 01:18:31.720 this property so 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:37.640 maybe that be a we love trees you may want to friendly 01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:39.159 after the meeting or 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:41.149 maybe telephone call and he can tell you how those trees 01:18:41.149 --> 01:18:41.720 will have to be 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:47.039 preserved yeah that would be lovely thank you okay our next 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:47.720 speaker will be 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:54.479 Lisa Hill to be followed by John Pimento 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:06.079 good afternoon my name is Lisa Hill and we live right next 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:07.600 door to the McLaughlin 01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:12.680 so I concur with everything they both said when we moved 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:13.760 into the neighborhood 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.260 we knew that there would be development in the back but I 01:19:17.260 --> 01:19:18.960 concur because we want 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:24.630 the neighborhood to be consistent with what it is now and I 01:19:24.630 --> 01:19:26.279 know development 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.180 does happen different things does come in but as far as to 01:19:30.180 --> 01:19:30.840 keep you know as 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:33.829 far as the property values to keep everything now I wasn't 01:19:33.829 --> 01:19:34.800 aware because I 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:38.810 didn't have a chance to really study everything you mr. 01:19:38.810 --> 01:19:39.760 strange you had made a 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.770 because we're right now it's going to be zoned but in our 01:19:43.770 --> 01:19:45.279 form it's currently in 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.399 our four is going to be three that's correct okay it's 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:49.600 going down but we 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:54.550 prefer to if at all possible but anyway bottom line is to 01:19:54.550 --> 01:19:56.039 keep the nature of the 01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:59.529 beauty the trees the flooding and I do know what they're 01:19:59.529 --> 01:20:00.779 speaking of because we 01:20:00.779 --> 01:20:05.420 did see we had the city to come out and it is I mean yeah 01:20:05.420 --> 01:20:06.680 it's a lot of flooding 01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:08.970 there so I would ask them to take that in consideration we 01:20:08.970 --> 01:20:09.779 would like to keep 01:20:09.779 --> 01:20:15.550 it at level zoning to fit all possible thank you okay thank 01:20:15.550 --> 01:20:16.560 you 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:22.760 next speaker will be John Pimento he is in support and then 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:24.479 followed by Troy 01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:31.020 Johnson did I get I'm sorry somebody's handing cards I 01:20:31.020 --> 01:20:32.399 apologize that we've we 01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:36.880 got you're correct it is 3b my mistake some of these are 01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:38.399 marked and some are 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:43.890 not our next speaker will be Troy Johnson that's the last 01:20:43.890 --> 01:20:44.680 card that I have 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:48.119 here requesting to speak 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:56.409 okay and I want to thank the city the staff can you just in 01:20:56.409 --> 01:20:57.380 the microphone 01:20:57.380 --> 01:20:59.680 for the guys like will you give your name and full address 01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:00.399 sure please 01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:05.399 Troy Johnson 3200 Belmont thank you sir all right it'll be 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:06.319 brief since I guess 01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:10.260 I'm the last one in between this gentleman here maybe thank 01:21:10.260 --> 01:21:10.920 you for a 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:14.210 careful consideration I don't have a lot to add because I 01:21:14.210 --> 01:21:15.359 think many people have 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.960 said many things good things about development we certainly 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:19.680 understand that 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:23.100 that's the nature of where we live in the excitement of our 01:21:23.100 --> 01:21:23.800 area also 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:27.710 important things about scenery about wildlife about mr. 01:21:27.710 --> 01:21:28.920 widely I look forward 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:32.569 to getting to know him and maybe work with him some I hope 01:21:32.569 --> 01:21:33.199 you're you're also 01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.840 mindful maybe one of the things I didn't hear about is is 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:36.880 school density and 01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:39.399 impact on schools as you continue down this path of 01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:40.720 development and the 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:43.720 readiness for the school districts to be able to manage 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:44.800 especially if there are 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:49.449 120 or so homes if that's what I heard versus 50 fewer 01:21:49.449 --> 01:21:50.800 homes which is a lot 01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:54.609 fewer children as you might expect I do agree with a lot of 01:21:54.609 --> 01:21:55.720 my neighbors there 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:59.199 the traffic patterns are going to change and I'm glad that 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:00.399 you understand that 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:02.180 neighborhood well and I know all of you have probably 01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:03.560 driven through there some 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.600 time or another that will become a good thoroughfare 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:08.279 especially with ways the 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:12.689 mobile app that helps us find shortcuts that's a good being 01:22:12.689 --> 01:22:13.239 on it and that 01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:16.229 track that stop sign is going to get run and it's going to 01:22:16.229 --> 01:22:17.439 be a dangerous kind of 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:20.199 intersection the way that it curves and s is right there 01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:21.399 and so I appreciate a 01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:23.760 lot of thought from us on a part of city planners 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:25.640 developers as we move forward 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:28.850 to get that right for the safety of children that are 01:22:28.850 --> 01:22:30.279 walking home from the 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.909 school bus it's quite a ways down or just people that are 01:22:32.909 --> 01:22:33.920 walking their dogs 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:37.359 during the day and at night and I'll be happy to answer any 01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:38.079 questions you might 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:42.090 have Commissioner Hedgesmith so if I were to put you on a 01:22:42.090 --> 01:22:43.600 spot and say give me a 01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:47.350 number of houses that use that fit in that square what 01:22:47.350 --> 01:22:48.800 number comes to your 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:52.500 mind that's a fair amount of homes to fit in that that 01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:54.600 marked area no I'm on 01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:57.840 the frontier my knowledge on that one so you got me there 01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.279 but I do like the 01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:03.119 discussion about lot size being somewhat comparable being 01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:05.000 in that 70 range you 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.640 know the lower the lower certainly feels like it's commens 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:09.439 urate with the 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.819 development of the community and what what's what's all 01:23:13.819 --> 01:23:15.319 around that particular 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:18.399 lot I thought there was a really good summary about what 01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:19.479 the nature of that 01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:22.399 kind of area is and so something that's kind of commens 01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:23.720 urate or matching in that 01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:30.079 so great answer if I may and so if I were to represent to 01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:31.279 you that the 01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:35.399 developers talking round numbers point three six of an acre 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:36.479 and the bulk of 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:42.579 those houses on Belmont are point three eight so we're 01:23:42.579 --> 01:23:43.760 talking about point oh two 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:48.140 difference for the majority your your property is about 01:23:48.140 --> 01:23:49.359 point four seven 01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:53.409 there's one about point five on that street but all all 01:23:53.409 --> 01:23:54.560 total we're right 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.239 about point oh two let's round it up point oh four 01:23:57.239 --> 01:23:58.600 difference of an acre 01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:05.029 that's that's consistent and do you agree or do you think 01:24:05.029 --> 01:24:06.119 point oh four 01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:12.939 matters that's a that's a great question the thing that I 01:24:12.939 --> 01:24:13.760 would be curious about 01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:17.979 is whether that point three six is an average or if it's a 01:24:17.979 --> 01:24:19.239 minimum size you 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:21.560 see there's a difference because point three six could mean 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:22.359 you have some that 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:26.020 are point five and some that are two point two five and 01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:27.520 point two five lot is 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.529 a very different size lot than a point three six and so 01:24:30.529 --> 01:24:31.960 most of these I think 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.439 the smaller you might have mentioned was point three six I 01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:35.199 think some of my 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:37.800 neighbors probably have about that and so I would say it 01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:38.840 kind of depends what 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:43.079 your point three six really represents but if it's in that 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:44.199 range then you know 01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.829 we're talking pretty commensurate but if you're getting 01:24:46.829 --> 01:24:48.640 down a quarter acre size 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.600 and such and even a third of an acre you know that would 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:52.920 represent smaller I 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:56.789 think smaller than the smallest in that area so you see 01:24:56.789 --> 01:24:58.119 where I'm coming from 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:03.079 okay thank you sure thank you yes thank you for your 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:04.039 comments thank you all for 01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:08.890 your time again this is a public hearing anyone who wishes 01:25:08.890 --> 01:25:10.600 to speak please come 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:13.000 forward at this time and then you can fill out a card I 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.840 have one email from 01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:22.100 Andrea and Steve Shula at 601 Regency Court and quote they 01:25:22.100 --> 01:25:23.279 are not completely 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:25.710 for or against it so I'm going to put them down as a 01:25:25.710 --> 01:25:27.039 neutral and their major 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:33.130 concerns are traffic and drainage if there's anyone else 01:25:33.130 --> 01:25:34.439 that would like to 01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:36.590 speak on this item please come forward at this time before 01:25:36.590 --> 01:25:37.279 I close the public 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:43.979 hearing if we have a question you can come back up do we 01:25:43.979 --> 01:25:45.239 have a question 01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:48.659 I believe mr. McLaughlin has a question for me that we didn 01:25:48.659 --> 01:25:49.199 't get answer 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.840 previous okay commissioner Beck and you may have a question 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:53.159 for you please come 01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:56.159 back to the microphone because our rule is you get one 01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:57.960 opportunity and we kind 01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:00.750 of sometimes can do get around that with a question mr. Mc 01:26:00.750 --> 01:26:01.640 Laughlin did you have a 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:07.520 question for me I had an answer or a question whichever you 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:09.640 need the question 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:13.250 was posed did we have an idea of how many homes would be 01:26:13.250 --> 01:26:14.680 the optimum number 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:21.039 and that would be not to exceed 70 and 60 would be better 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:22.880 commissioner has but 01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:29.529 do you have a question yes sir so the overall acreage I don 01:26:29.529 --> 01:26:30.279 't have it in front 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:34.220 of me but round numbers I mean can we agree that we're 01:26:34.220 --> 01:26:35.960 talking in your numbers 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:42.199 where eight houses different from what's proposed okay so I 01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:43.680 'm not saying eight 01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:47.039 houses eight houses don't matter I just wanted to normalize 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:48.239 the conversation to 01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:51.060 make sure I mean and that's fair I mean I noted your answer 01:26:51.060 --> 01:26:52.079 before and I was just 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:57.430 trying to get the poll the other neighborhoods other people 01:26:57.430 --> 01:26:58.000 who live in 01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.640 neighborhood to see if that number resonates with everyone 01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:01.439 so that that was 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.159 the purpose for the question but but thank you thank you 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.520 appreciate it thank 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:09.409 you seeing no one else wishing to speak I'm going to close 01:27:09.409 --> 01:27:10.979 our public hearing at 01:27:10.979 --> 01:27:14.640 this time and I'll open the floor for discussion or emotion 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:20.260 mr. Taylor thank you chair I just want to I think everybody 01:27:20.260 --> 01:27:20.760 on the commission's 01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:24.189 aware and hopefully most of the audience is but I'd like to 01:27:24.189 --> 01:27:25.199 bring up two things 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:29.979 we are talking about a development that is suggesting 73 to 01:27:29.979 --> 01:27:32.359 78 houses and you 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:35.329 know Allison engineering is reputable we have dealt with 01:27:35.329 --> 01:27:36.199 them a lot they work on 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:40.220 a lot of projects in town but we can't see unforeseen 01:27:40.220 --> 01:27:42.600 circumstances so we 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.680 really do need to think about this as the maximum possible 01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:47.600 because if you know 01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:51.680 the landowner goes bankrupt or another financial crisis 01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:53.279 happens or any number 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:56.109 of things leads to this piece of property being sold it can 01:27:56.109 --> 01:27:56.720 be developed 01:27:56.720 --> 01:28:01.369 at whatever the zoning is that exists the second point is 01:28:01.369 --> 01:28:02.960 this property can be 01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:07.289 developed right now at the zoning it exists at now and we 01:28:07.289 --> 01:28:08.680 can't even even if 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:11.890 tonight we tried to rezone it to NR to the developers 01:28:11.890 --> 01:28:13.359 already applied for an 01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:17.470 application and so they get to follow the regulations of 01:28:17.470 --> 01:28:18.859 the date that they 01:28:18.859 --> 01:28:22.640 applied for their application they filed their application 01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:23.760 so they could come in 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:27.979 if we change it to NR to right now they could build at NR 01:28:27.979 --> 01:28:30.420 for density so we 01:28:30.420 --> 01:28:35.800 can't really turn back the clock or roll this to NR to the 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:37.560 the the choices we 01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:40.829 have are make it in our three and make it consistent or 01:28:40.829 --> 01:28:42.119 leave it the way it is 01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:46.279 basically so I just want to I just want to bring that up 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:48.159 that that we we don't 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:51.920 want to talk too much about 70 or 73 or 78 and we don't we 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:52.760 can't really 01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:56.220 feasibly talk about all of this as if it were in our two 01:28:56.220 --> 01:28:57.840 with 71 houses allowed 01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:01.880 in our two densities because right now it's in our four and 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:03.239 that allows about 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:08.170 112 or 113 total houses so just wanted to bring up those 01:29:08.170 --> 01:29:09.000 two points in our 01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:15.439 discussion did you have Commissioner Ellis now come to you 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:15.920 Commissioner I 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.289 think you're here I actually was hoping to ask mr. Allison 01:29:18.289 --> 01:29:19.840 a question absolutely 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:33.310 can we bring him back up yes thank you mr. Allison is there 01:29:33.310 --> 01:29:33.880 a way you can 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:38.159 elaborate for us why you you cannot do NR to hear how that 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:39.600 would affect your 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:43.350 your project and why you are requesting NR three could 01:29:43.350 --> 01:29:45.159 could you elaborate that 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:50.359 point for for us in our audience I can get back to 01:29:58.920 --> 01:29:59.789 trying to get to my presentation I can't find it I'm 01:29:59.789 --> 01:30:02.560 somebody else's 01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:05.319 apologize 01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:25.840 I'll do my best to try and explain for mr. key that's one 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:26.800 of the reasons we 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:31.180 brought this slide in as well we weren't trying to to 01:30:31.180 --> 01:30:34.319 disguise anything we feel 01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:37.680 like that in our three less is too close to what we can do 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:38.760 today Kent really 01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:44.140 doesn't want to do the smaller lots at the same time he's 01:30:44.140 --> 01:30:46.039 got an investment 01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:48.939 there and needs to get a return on the investment and the 01:30:48.939 --> 01:30:51.399 NR three allows up to 01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:54.960 124 but to go to NR two would just put him way too low 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:55.960 compared put him down 01:30:55.960 --> 01:31:00.119 into the into the 70 range and believe it or not three or 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:00.960 four more lots can 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:05.600 make quite a bit of difference so he is looking for that as 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:07.420 mr. Taylor pointed 01:31:07.420 --> 01:31:15.600 out what's there can be done these densities you need to 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:16.840 look at because it 01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:19.079 is correct another reason we brought this chart up is you 01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:19.840 've really got to 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:23.670 look at the zoning and how that affects the overall site 01:31:23.670 --> 01:31:25.079 but I also wanted to 01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:29.090 point out with the ESA limits and the proposed ESA 01:31:29.090 --> 01:31:31.199 alternate ESA if we come 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:36.229 back I'm taking a long time to answer your question I 01:31:36.229 --> 01:31:38.680 apologize but with this 01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:42.430 it's very difficult to get even with the NR for that high 01:31:42.430 --> 01:31:43.920 density in this area 01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:47.170 because of the lot coverages and the set building setbacks 01:31:47.170 --> 01:31:48.159 and those kind of 01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:52.180 things so the NR three seemed like a good compromise and an 01:31:52.180 --> 01:31:53.039 overall upgrade 01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:56.250 compared to what was there relative to what's over here and 01:31:56.250 --> 01:31:58.439 with his plan that 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:04.710 we've come up and we're sticking with the the I mean this 01:32:04.710 --> 01:32:06.159 plan shows 73 I don't 01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:09.760 really see it it changing but we said 78 to give us a 01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:11.039 little wiggle room as we go 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:14.069 through the processes with the city one thing we might 01:32:14.069 --> 01:32:15.520 consider and I'm not sure 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:19.060 how best to do it would be to eliminate this piece of road 01:32:19.060 --> 01:32:20.779 right here we could 01:32:20.779 --> 01:32:23.409 have two entries well we've got two shown here now we could 01:32:23.409 --> 01:32:24.279 move it down here 01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:26.810 and keep it there this side wouldn't be a problem this 01:32:26.810 --> 01:32:28.039 could be an issue because 01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:31.710 of emergency access and more than needed and maybe we build 01:32:31.710 --> 01:32:32.800 that as an emergency 01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:36.079 access only for some reason not keep it open one of the 01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:38.079 reasons we put the z-shaped 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:42.460 road in here was to discourage the through traffic the cut 01:32:42.460 --> 01:32:43.560 through traffic 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:46.319 and it was our understanding that even though not as an 01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:48.439 arterial and maybe I 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:51.340 misunderstood but I thought Alpacaille was still shown as a 01:32:51.340 --> 01:32:52.279 collector coming 01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.970 all the way through so it may not be going through as an 01:32:54.970 --> 01:32:56.159 arterial but will be 01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:58.050 going through as a commercial collector which is 01:32:58.050 --> 01:32:59.239 essentially what it is today 01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:02.279 and that's what's really going to take the cut through 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:03.640 traffic in the future 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:07.000 and when you look at the amount of money you put in for p 01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:07.979 aving and different 01:33:07.979 --> 01:33:10.810 things to go with the infrastructure he's just trying to 01:33:10.810 --> 01:33:11.840 find an economically 01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:18.159 feasible number here but he's also looking to keep these 01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:18.960 lots on the higher 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:25.340 side and also back here to help transition from the bigger 01:33:25.340 --> 01:33:26.399 lots through 01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:30.529 bigger lots to a little bit smaller on this side and again 01:33:30.529 --> 01:33:31.680 I think when we come 01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.550 back with the ESA if we come back with an ESA and try and 01:33:34.550 --> 01:33:36.079 look at doing 120 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:38.680 lots that's where you say you don't get the ESA so you're 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:39.640 kind of stuck with 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:43.000 some physical constraints that keep us you know sometimes 01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:44.159 it's the practical 01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:48.220 limitations not the actual specific zoning numbers that 01:33:48.220 --> 01:33:49.560 that minimize or 01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:52.199 determine what we can really do on the site so when you 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:53.159 look at the zoning 01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:57.880 along with the existing environmentally system of areas it 01:33:57.880 --> 01:33:59.399 's it's tough to even 01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:03.470 do the NR4 out there I mean still be done but it'd be even 01:34:03.470 --> 01:34:04.960 uglier than all 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:08.779 but if we get the ESA and do this this will be a nice site. 01:34:08.779 --> 01:34:09.939 Well you're up there 01:34:09.939 --> 01:34:12.750 Lee if you don't mind I'm glad you have this map up this is 01:34:12.750 --> 01:34:13.439 a topo map 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:16.840 essentially that you have on there as well as can you speak 01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:17.640 on your 01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:21.140 professional opinion as to how with the essentially two cul 01:34:21.140 --> 01:34:22.399 -de-sacs that you have 01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:25.760 coming up on the east side of your property how that will 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:27.079 pick up water and 01:34:27.079 --> 01:34:30.380 the city requirements for I believe it lots have to drain 01:34:30.380 --> 01:34:31.720 to the streets how 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:34.029 that may improve some of the drainage issues that we've 01:34:34.029 --> 01:34:35.159 heard about this evening. 01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:38.800 Yes I can our focus has been primarily on the floodplain 01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.199 itself but as we look 01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:44.210 at this topo map there is a ridge along here and you can 01:34:44.210 --> 01:34:45.640 see there is a small 01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:48.640 area that does drain back to the east and that would go 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:49.840 into the yards that 01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:52.850 are having some complications with these cul-de-sacs here 01:34:52.850 --> 01:34:53.840 we'd be cutting down 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:56.819 and we can make sure that all of these areas drain into the 01:34:56.819 --> 01:34:57.800 cul-de-sacs and 01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.069 into the creek and away from those homes additionally we'd 01:35:01.069 --> 01:35:02.840 have probably some 01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.989 storms so we're maybe not this far back but if there are 01:35:05.989 --> 01:35:07.359 some other problems that 01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:09.880 our development doesn't directly solve we might work with 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:10.720 the city to extend 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:13.189 some storms who are to resolve some city problems in that 01:35:13.189 --> 01:35:14.159 area possibly I don't 01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:16.909 know we haven't studied it but there's potential there. 01:35:16.909 --> 01:35:19.800 Okay. Commissioner Rossell. 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:25.710 This is more clarification maybe for own edification but it 01:35:25.710 --> 01:35:27.800 fits here if this was 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:31.909 an NR2 zoning the spaces in which they can't develop they 01:35:31.909 --> 01:35:32.640 can displace that 01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:37.000 density elsewhere do you know off the top your head what 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:38.399 the lot sizes would be 01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:42.479 condensed down to an NR2 I mean wouldn't it be I'm just 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:43.199 thinking it'd be point 01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:49.630 four and change. Well if we were to develop with this ESA 01:35:49.630 --> 01:35:51.079 and the whole 01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:56.199 things NR2 would probably bound in the 12,000 square foot 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:57.199 per lot by the time 01:35:57.199 --> 01:36:02.050 you allow for streets and things if we get an alternative E 01:36:02.050 --> 01:36:03.479 SA and we're in the 01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:10.210 NR2 probably more than 14,000 square foot average per lot 01:36:10.210 --> 01:36:12.319 again as I think you 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:19.539 were pointing out earlier and I'm gonna be off the chart 01:36:19.539 --> 01:36:23.600 here but you know 35 01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:27.829 acres NR2 70 lots we could make this one lot and we could 01:36:27.829 --> 01:36:30.159 make this 69 lots you 01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.640 know just to help shift it around because the code when you 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:33.239 're over two 01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:36.680 acres doesn't doesn't set a minimum lot size it basically 01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:37.640 sets an average and 01:36:37.640 --> 01:36:41.000 the number of lots is based on the gross acreage of the 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:42.640 development that you know 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.579 NR2 doesn't mean a half acre lot it's probably more in the 01:36:45.579 --> 01:36:47.159 point four acres 01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:50.689 some of these lots I did look earlier depending on you 01:36:50.689 --> 01:36:52.039 found some more in the 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:55.489 point four point three six range there were some out there 01:36:55.489 --> 01:36:56.640 further away that 01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:01.729 are more like into a point five but it varies thank you I 01:37:01.729 --> 01:37:03.079 'll make one other 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.859 comment one of the issues that probably has not been 01:37:06.859 --> 01:37:07.880 discussed it's gonna be the 01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:13.000 lot coverage and depending on whether it's an NR2 or an NR4 01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:14.039 or a compromise in 01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:16.979 the middle of NR3 you're gonna get a difference in the lot 01:37:16.979 --> 01:37:18.720 coverage to on on 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:23.119 these and that's part of the issue I assume from what I 01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:24.359 know about the 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:27.260 developers is one of the driving issues on this is to make 01:37:27.260 --> 01:37:28.399 this a little more of 01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:31.529 a consistent development and then also because a lot 01:37:31.529 --> 01:37:32.960 coverage to make the lots 01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:38.390 be essentially buildable lots and I think that's another 01:37:38.390 --> 01:37:39.600 issue that will 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:42.739 probably be brought to us and discuss maybe in more detail 01:37:42.739 --> 01:37:43.720 when you all come 01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:47.220 back for preliminary platting in your ESA but I think that 01:37:47.220 --> 01:37:47.899 's just for the 01:37:47.899 --> 01:37:50.970 Commission that's another big issue that's going to come 01:37:50.970 --> 01:37:51.800 before us as to 01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:56.840 why this is where Quest was made to begin with any other 01:37:56.840 --> 01:37:58.079 questions for mr. 01:37:58.079 --> 01:38:07.420 Allison thank you again our public hearing is closed so we 01:38:07.420 --> 01:38:08.760 're in discussion 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:18.439 or motion commissioner back thank you chair just some 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:19.680 comments and then I'll 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:22.720 make a motion I have heard the concerns of the citizens 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:23.760 around that and I 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:27.399 understand that course increased traffic drainage issues is 01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:30.279 a legitimate concern 01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:37.130 honestly feel though any changes we have in traffic is to 01:38:37.130 --> 01:38:39.000 distinguish between 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:44.119 and in our to development and an NR4 you know is is not 01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:45.359 going to be that 01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:49.119 consequential if we're looking at road development on Hobs 01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:50.239 on that's going to 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:54.750 expand it and Ryan Road eventually you know those are going 01:38:54.750 --> 01:38:55.640 to be the default 01:38:55.640 --> 01:39:00.029 roads to get from Country Club to the Teasley and all that 01:39:00.029 --> 01:39:01.239 the way this is 01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:04.880 set up it's going to actually discourage any cutting 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.680 through is my opinion the 01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:11.039 developer if we get in once we get into that I'm vaguely 01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:12.279 familiar with them 01:39:12.279 --> 01:39:15.640 they're very eco-friendly I think that the concerns people 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:16.600 have about trees and 01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:19.899 everything will be a laid once we see what the developer 01:39:19.899 --> 01:39:21.119 has in store he's 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:25.539 been before us on several occasions and he's expressed a 01:39:25.539 --> 01:39:27.199 genuine concern for 01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:30.250 environmentally sound areas keeping things intact as they 01:39:30.250 --> 01:39:36.600 are so as difficult 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:42.000 as it may be you know to cross paths with the homeowners 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:42.960 that oppose this I'm 01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:48.680 going to move that we approve this okay the motion for 01:39:48.680 --> 01:39:51.319 approval I have a second 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:59.359 second Commissioner Taylor second any discussion 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:11.800 Commissioner Hesbeth yeah I just I struggle with the 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:14.319 options Commissioner 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:21.050 Taylor pointed out and I think the most encouraging thing 01:40:21.050 --> 01:40:25.039 for me is Mr. Allison's 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:29.479 willingness to meet those concerns so really I've boiled 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:31.119 those concerns down 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:35.819 to the traffic on Country Club Road which we as a city have 01:40:35.819 --> 01:40:37.479 no control over so 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:40.930 assuming he works with the neighborhood to mitigate the 01:40:40.930 --> 01:40:42.720 water assuming he works 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:45.930 with the neighborhood to to preserve trees where he can and 01:40:45.930 --> 01:40:47.600 he's articulated 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:50.500 those things he's articulated the willingness to shift she 01:40:50.500 --> 01:40:51.279 streets around 01:40:51.279 --> 01:40:57.210 to make it less cut through friendly if you will I really I 01:40:57.210 --> 01:40:59.319 mean there's nothing 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:02.800 we can do about this body can do about Country Club Road 01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:06.199 and so just just 01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:10.069 thinking out loud I think that that's why I'm at peace with 01:41:10.069 --> 01:41:10.960 it is just because 01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:16.510 he's touched all the concerns of the neighborhood and did 01:41:16.510 --> 01:41:18.000 not go where we've 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.359 seen some go worse just hey here's my project here's what I 01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:22.600 'm gonna do and and 01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:25.569 everyone can pound sand I mean he's he's shown a 01:41:25.569 --> 01:41:27.800 willingness to to be pliable and 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:32.439 I think that's that's that's commendable so anyway I think 01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.199 I think he mitigates 01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:41.109 the concerns of the neighborhood and removes that in our 01:41:41.109 --> 01:41:42.600 for label that's 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:45.010 hanging out there currently and then we don't have any say 01:41:45.010 --> 01:41:46.279 so and what goes 01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:51.050 there so I want to take advantage of that why we can 01:41:51.050 --> 01:41:52.319 Commissioner Roselle 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:56.399 thank you chair I just wanted to thank everyone for coming 01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:57.680 out and helping 01:41:57.680 --> 01:42:00.270 us have this conversation and dialogue through this and 01:42:00.270 --> 01:42:01.279 bring up points that 01:42:01.279 --> 01:42:04.899 help contextualize this I can say living in the 01:42:04.899 --> 01:42:06.560 neighborhood if there is 01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:08.569 individuals that cut through I'm gonna I'm gonna be a 01:42:08.569 --> 01:42:10.199 victim to it I'm gonna 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:13.479 have to deal with El Paseo that stop sign where it's run 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:15.840 often and I'm sure 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:18.470 I've seen most people that spoke tonight in my passing on 01:42:18.470 --> 01:42:19.399 the way to work or 01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:23.239 coming home so I'm familiar with the area and I and 01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:25.600 certainly will be 01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:29.289 interested in anxious to see the new traffic patterns and 01:42:29.289 --> 01:42:30.399 hoping that tech 01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:35.079 stock can can approve some stoplights but I think based on 01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:36.319 just the flood 01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:39.060 plane going through someone mentioned earlier that we're 01:42:39.060 --> 01:42:40.159 looking at a tree or 01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:43.470 leaf not a tree and I feel to some extent that might be 01:42:43.470 --> 01:42:45.199 true except that it 01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:50.180 it seems that the floodplain in existence kind of forces 01:42:50.180 --> 01:42:51.399 these lots to 01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:55.260 be kind of capped at a certain size this doesn't seem I don 01:42:55.260 --> 01:42:56.039 't see the 01:42:56.039 --> 01:42:59.510 economics of putting half acre lots in their unit of his NR 01:42:59.510 --> 01:43:00.680 two and there's an 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:03.909 opportunity right now to make sure duplexes are not built 01:43:03.909 --> 01:43:04.920 on that property 01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:10.069 and so for the reasons independent of what Mr. Taylor 01:43:10.069 --> 01:43:10.680 saying of the 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:15.090 development going in this still secures this property to a 01:43:15.090 --> 01:43:16.800 point that encourages 01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:19.770 I think a higher level of development that then it 01:43:19.770 --> 01:43:21.520 currently stands and so for 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:25.289 those reasons and with great hope that the traffic is 01:43:25.289 --> 01:43:28.239 resolved for the approval 01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:30.439 of this 01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:34.899 nobody else any coming I'm gonna make comments to you I'm 01:43:34.899 --> 01:43:35.880 echo what I said 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:38.789 earlier and Commissioner just Rosal just said is that 01:43:38.789 --> 01:43:40.079 currently this is in our 01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:43.359 four and so we don't typically get a lot of down zoning 01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:44.960 cases here before us and 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:51.020 I think it's for the neighborhood to the east this is a 01:43:51.020 --> 01:43:52.600 great opportunity for it 01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:56.630 to be down zone from what could go there right now as in 01:43:56.630 --> 01:43:58.359 our four to NNR three I 01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:01.670 think gives a neighborhood a lot more protection than what 01:44:01.670 --> 01:44:02.560 you could face 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:06.949 within our four and really no say so about it and so for 01:44:06.949 --> 01:44:09.600 that reason alone I'm 01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:15.029 I'm going to support this this evening I also believe that 01:44:15.029 --> 01:44:16.840 because of the design 01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:20.359 that has been put before us which were they're not bound to 01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:21.479 this is a concept 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:25.710 but familiar with the developer and other projects that 01:44:25.710 --> 01:44:27.560 they've done that I'm 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:31.079 sure they have taken that into account to make it more 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:32.640 difficult to get in and 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:36.050 out of that neighborhood versus just a straight shot do 01:44:36.050 --> 01:44:39.319 West that might make it 01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:42.600 more of a cut through that I think that is a good first 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:43.840 step we'll have an 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:46.739 opportunity look at that when they bring it back and the 01:44:46.739 --> 01:44:48.680 final reason I'm 01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:51.130 gonna support it is because I have heard the neighbors 01:44:51.130 --> 01:44:52.079 concerns about the 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:55.760 drainage and I think when the streets get in here sooner 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:57.560 rather than later and 01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:00.920 they have to meet the development code to have those slots 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:01.760 drained to the 01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:05.079 street that some of your issues will get addressed that 01:45:05.079 --> 01:45:06.520 right now if this doesn't 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:09.760 move forward you may be having to contend with those for 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:11.159 some time longer 01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:15.010 so for those three reasons I'm going to support this as 01:45:15.010 --> 01:45:16.600 well and unless anybody 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:21.439 else has a comment I'm gonna call for a hand vote this 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:23.239 evening all those in 01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:28.319 favor please raise your right hand all those opposed same 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:29.720 sign and the motion 01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:36.340 to approve carries six to zero thank you all for coming out 01:45:36.340 --> 01:45:39.000 this evening that 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:50.279 will move us to our item 3b and I'm going to give them 01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:05.100 we can I exit your presentation give the room just a couple 01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:10.279 more minutes to kind 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:14.569 of clear since we're kind of small and then we'll open our 01:46:14.569 --> 01:46:15.760 next item here 01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:53.189 I know I'm like somewhere we're kind of having a de facto 01:46:53.189 --> 01:46:57.880 break here 01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:05.750 you want me just to call it for five minutes here I tell 01:47:05.750 --> 01:47:08.399 you what we've got a 01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:10.729 few more people trying to clear the room and I think a 01:47:10.729 --> 01:47:11.880 couple people needed to 01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:18.039 take a quick break I'm a caller recess at 750 01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:48.840 I'm Julie Wyatt this is s 16 6 quick trip do you want to go 01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:49.239 over the whole 01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:52.199 presentation again or do we want to do the summary okay all 01:47:52.199 --> 01:47:52.760 right we'll do the 01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:55.439 summary all right the request before you is to consider a 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:56.439 modification of an 01:47:56.439 --> 01:48:01.079 existing approved SUP to permit 16 additional parking 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.319 spaces at the quick 01:48:03.319 --> 01:48:09.210 trip location at the corner of Carroll and Eagle staff has 01:48:09.210 --> 01:48:10.600 reviewed the 01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:13.390 request and compared it against the criteria for approval 01:48:13.390 --> 01:48:14.479 and does recommend 01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:19.789 approval and let me get down to the with conditions that 01:48:19.789 --> 01:48:21.720 the proposed development 01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:25.260 substantially comply with the site plan landscape plan and 01:48:25.260 --> 01:48:26.560 grading plan as they 01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.529 have been submitted which includes and I'll summarize the 01:48:29.529 --> 01:48:30.520 installation of a 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:35.880 curb inlet filter with an irreplaceable REM fog media pack 01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:36.880 at the northwest 01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:40.069 corner of the site and that it should be three reports 01:48:40.069 --> 01:48:41.600 should be submitted to the 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:45.000 planning department per year demonstrating that it is being 01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:49.770 maintained in accordance with the manufacturers 01:48:49.770 --> 01:48:52.079 instructions that they 01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:55.149 place a marked pedestrian connection between the the 01:48:55.149 --> 01:48:56.640 sidewalk on North Carroll 01:48:56.640 --> 01:49:00.699 and the retail building that they do relocate those 01:49:00.699 --> 01:49:02.479 existing trees on the 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:05.739 site that can be saved and staff also recommends an 01:49:05.739 --> 01:49:07.520 additional four two inch 01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:11.439 caliper large canopy tree trees to be planted in accordance 01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:12.159 with sub chapter 01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:14.939 13 of the Denton Development Code I can stand for any 01:49:14.939 --> 01:49:15.880 questions and the 01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:23.029 applicant is also here so thank you chair hi Julie hi hey 01:49:23.029 --> 01:49:23.920 just a question 01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:29.079 back about that filter in the reports what is in those 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:31.159 reports or how did we 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:35.260 come up with three a year would would do and are we as a 01:49:35.260 --> 01:49:36.439 city we're just in 01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:40.000 trusting them to do that or we're gonna look at these 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:41.800 filters or just elaborate 01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:46.130 on sure that's based upon the manufacturers specifications 01:49:46.130 --> 01:49:46.359 for 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:51.310 maintenance and yes they would be submitted to planning if 01:49:51.310 --> 01:49:52.359 if for some 01:49:52.359 --> 01:49:56.000 reason they didn't work as they were supposed to or they 01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:56.880 did not maintain 01:49:56.880 --> 01:50:00.699 them in accordance with this SUPs can be revoked by the 01:50:00.699 --> 01:50:03.159 City Council so there is 01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:08.310 some some checks and balances with that do the reports come 01:50:08.310 --> 01:50:08.720 from the 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:11.529 manufacturer or telling them what to put in they would come 01:50:11.529 --> 01:50:12.560 from the applicant 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:16.039 just just reporting to us that they have maintained that's 01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:16.840 all that that's 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:19.770 really gonna say is we've done it here's the date we've 01:50:19.770 --> 01:50:21.279 done it yes ma'am yes ma'am 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:25.720 but we're not gonna check it well and hopefully we don't we 01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:26.760 we don't always 01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:30.829 have the manpower to go out there and do the inspections we 01:50:30.829 --> 01:50:32.720 'd like to and and and 01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:37.539 Deborah's here and she may be able to add she knows a lot 01:50:37.539 --> 01:50:39.359 about the I swim and 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:46.930 best management practices for that good evening the Robiera 01:50:46.930 --> 01:50:47.720 with environmental 01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:50.840 services and sustainability pretty much what we have is a 01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:52.279 control that is trying 01:50:52.279 --> 01:50:55.640 to deal with two aspects the floatables and the pollution 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:57.579 in the water they the 01:50:57.579 --> 01:51:01.449 media the filtering media that they're using is for fog 01:51:01.449 --> 01:51:02.800 which stands for fat 01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:06.579 oils and grease and pretty much what they're collecting is 01:51:06.579 --> 01:51:07.640 all the oils that 01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:11.569 my wash out from from that parking surface and then they 01:51:11.569 --> 01:51:12.680 will call that 01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:16.380 also the floatables this is a site that they're pretty much 01:51:16.380 --> 01:51:17.680 retrofitting they 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:22.060 only have one curb inlet on site so that's what they're 01:51:22.060 --> 01:51:23.560 using those 01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:25.979 controls are good as long as they're maintained properly 01:51:25.979 --> 01:51:26.739 according to the 01:51:26.739 --> 01:51:30.750 manufacturer so it would be upon the the applicant to 01:51:30.750 --> 01:51:32.840 actually keep them up it's 01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:36.199 my understanding that the QT corporation have a maintenance 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:37.180 division who deals 01:51:37.180 --> 01:51:39.970 with this type of controls these controls are not new to 01:51:39.970 --> 01:51:40.800 them they have 01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:43.520 using in other facilities as well so they're familiar with 01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:44.840 it so with the 01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:48.680 history of maintenance and knowledge about it staff feel 01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:49.800 comfortable that they 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:52.399 will be able to proceed and do the maintenance accordingly 01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:53.479 and we don't 01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:57.810 have anything as a city that that checks checks on these at 01:51:57.810 --> 01:51:59.880 all we currently don't 01:51:59.880 --> 01:52:05.300 however when we don't see when when those controls are 01:52:05.300 --> 01:52:06.760 start malfunctioning 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:10.960 it would be visible people will start complaining about it 01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:11.960 so at that time 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:15.899 probably is when stuff will be able to go in and check for 01:52:15.899 --> 01:52:16.880 those the other 01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:22.159 thing is most of the time when we move from the design a 01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:23.800 stage where the 01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:28.340 engineers put them all those controls is up to the manager 01:52:28.340 --> 01:52:30.399 or the owner of that 01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:34.420 business to actually know about it perform their 01:52:34.420 --> 01:52:36.479 maintenance and so on so I 01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:41.270 think that it's a learning process not only from the design 01:52:41.270 --> 01:52:42.560 you know you have 01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:47.199 this you have for now on to follow up and that's I believe 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:48.399 is why staff is 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:51.979 required all those conditions to be put on the ordinance as 01:52:51.979 --> 01:52:55.119 a reminder of what 01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:58.520 is needed to be done 01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:08.000 thank you chair I was just curious how many other I guess 01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:09.159 sites or developments 01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:12.619 in Denton currently have do some kind of reporting every 01:53:12.619 --> 01:53:13.880 six months or years 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:17.050 well actually the razor range who have some specifications 01:53:17.050 --> 01:53:18.640 about the reporting 01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:22.520 of the BMPs that they have put in place the other 01:53:22.520 --> 01:53:24.279 businesses that they have 01:53:24.279 --> 01:53:29.039 controls like bio life they have a skirt inside the inlet 01:53:29.039 --> 01:53:31.840 that is intended to 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:37.340 filtrate chewy have also a similar device on the parking 01:53:37.340 --> 01:53:38.960 lot they are not 01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:44.279 required to put controls I'm sorry they're not required to 01:53:44.279 --> 01:53:45.560 provide reports 01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:50.800 of it however as again in those instances where we have 01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:52.840 seen malfunctioning or 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:55.890 evidence that they are not being properly maintained we 01:53:55.890 --> 01:53:57.279 most of the time 01:53:57.279 --> 01:54:00.779 approach whoever is the manager and as long as we tell them 01:54:00.779 --> 01:54:01.960 hey do you know that 01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:04.619 you have an alternative development plan or you have 01:54:04.619 --> 01:54:05.960 something that makes you 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:10.479 maintain them they act on it sometimes because they they 01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:13.399 don't know and so right 01:54:13.399 --> 01:54:18.479 now you said razor ranch that that would be is that an MPC 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:20.079 no the razor range is 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:22.899 actually an overlay district okay so the so an overlay 01:54:22.899 --> 01:54:25.560 district ADP or SUP are 01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:30.199 those those are or maybe an ESA those are the only types of 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:30.680 his little of 01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:34.050 instruments that would require this or do some general 01:54:34.050 --> 01:54:36.000 drainage plans are not 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:39.130 actually it will be most of the time for example you can 01:54:39.130 --> 01:54:40.479 have excess parking as 01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:44.270 long as you use pervious surface okay so is in those 01:54:44.270 --> 01:54:46.039 instances when you don't 01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:48.569 provide the previous surfaces that you go through some sort 01:54:48.569 --> 01:54:49.319 of alternative 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:55.649 mechanism so in this case have been overlay districts could 01:54:55.649 --> 01:54:57.659 be NPCs master 01:54:57.659 --> 01:55:01.039 plan communities specific use permits alternative 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:05.680 development plans any other 01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:10.680 questions for Denver thank you 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:16.329 Julie I think you were going through some I think we got to 01:55:16.329 --> 01:55:16.840 the first two 01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:26.000 conditions I'll just repeat and then the marked pedestrian 01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:26.840 connection we would 01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:31.510 require that as part of it can as a condition to relocate 01:55:31.510 --> 01:55:32.920 those existing 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:37.140 trees where those proposed parking spots would be and then 01:55:37.140 --> 01:55:38.159 staff also is 01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:43.789 recommending that they plant for two inch caliper trees in 01:55:43.789 --> 01:55:44.880 accordance with 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:51.800 our sub chapter 13 requirements in order to to maintain the 01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:52.960 tree canopy that 01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:58.710 that's similar to the tree canopy that exists today 01:55:58.710 --> 01:56:01.439 commissioner Tyler thank 01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:05.460 you chair so when you say relocate you mean relocate that 01:56:05.460 --> 01:56:08.079 exact tree not okay 01:56:08.079 --> 01:56:13.239 was that hey is that a preferred solution or was that just 01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:14.039 what the 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:16.979 applicant offered or that's what they offered and I know 01:56:16.979 --> 01:56:17.960 Haywood talks to 01:56:17.960 --> 01:56:21.159 applicants about that a lot that you can that you can reloc 01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:22.279 ate trees if you if 01:56:22.279 --> 01:56:25.939 you do it correctly and and make sure that you take care of 01:56:25.939 --> 01:56:28.439 it so they can 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:30.949 save them and and they don't don't have to go away so that 01:56:30.949 --> 01:56:31.720 was something that 01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:36.439 they proposed normally we see shall be mitigated with or 01:56:36.439 --> 01:56:37.319 shall be replaced by 01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:40.630 so when it said relocated I just wanted to make sure that 01:56:40.630 --> 01:56:42.439 wasn't the right 01:56:42.439 --> 01:56:46.359 commissioner better monkey and on that so if trains 01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:47.720 planning any of those they 01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:52.359 die within a set period of time we can make them replace it 01:56:52.359 --> 01:56:54.720 our our landscape 01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:57.199 code does require that they maintain them and I believe it 01:56:57.199 --> 01:56:58.000 's for a period of 01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:00.300 three years that three years they're looked at and that 01:57:00.300 --> 01:57:01.199 they have to irrigate 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:06.100 them and make sure that they stay alive okay thank you I'm 01:57:06.100 --> 01:57:06.760 good if I'm current 01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:14.130 on that any other questions for staff thank you Julie thank 01:57:14.130 --> 01:57:17.439 you I have one 01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:23.729 card for speaker I've got it right now I think John Piment 01:57:23.729 --> 01:57:25.640 el if you'll give your 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:29.300 name and address and looks like you're in support and you 01:57:29.300 --> 01:57:30.359 'll have four minutes 01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:33.760 are you the applicant yes I don't have to do a car got ten 01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:34.960 minutes or okay 01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:40.640 perfect I go with the four John Pimentel address is 3708 01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:41.840 Beatrice Drive here in 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:45.119 Denton I'm a real estate project manager for a quick trip 01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:46.359 the reason why we're 01:57:46.359 --> 01:57:49.050 wanting to do this is we're going back to our sites our 01:57:49.050 --> 01:57:50.239 number one complaint 01:57:50.239 --> 01:57:52.039 and it's kind of sound it's a good problem to have but it's 01:57:52.039 --> 01:57:52.640 we're just too 01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:56.649 busy particularly here in three out of our Denton three out 01:57:56.649 --> 01:57:57.039 of four of our 01:57:57.039 --> 01:58:00.670 Denton stores is top 20% in DFW I worked at stores for nine 01:58:00.670 --> 01:58:01.560 years and I worked 01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:04.670 at both stores that were this one and hopefully next month 01:58:04.670 --> 01:58:05.640 the one on 35 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:09.479 there's busy stores and recently we don't have any here in 01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:09.840 then 01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:12.510 unfortunately but we have some of the sites with four entr 01:58:12.510 --> 01:58:13.680 ances this one has 01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:16.449 one so we just kind of causes a lot of congestion problems 01:58:16.449 --> 01:58:17.399 in the store and if 01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:19.470 you ever been to the store the 135 is just the lot 01:58:19.470 --> 01:58:20.520 circulation is very poor 01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:23.460 just don't have enough parking spaces and again that's our 01:58:23.460 --> 01:58:24.960 number one complaint 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:27.859 that we received for these two stores and with that I just 01:58:27.859 --> 01:58:28.800 really want to open 01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:32.880 up to any questions you may have okay Commissioner Burke 01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:35.800 thank you chair thank 01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:40.899 you for your presentation fair warning I'm an opponent of 01:58:40.899 --> 01:58:42.319 more and more parking 01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:44.880 spaces I'm in fact I've tried to encourage city staff to 01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:45.640 review didn't 01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:48.069 development code and consider eliminating the required 01:58:48.069 --> 01:58:49.880 parking space so 01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:54.649 justify 16 parking spaces for that particular site keeping 01:58:54.649 --> 01:58:55.239 in mind I 01:58:55.239 --> 01:58:58.380 realize you'll have that door on one side but you've got a 01:58:58.380 --> 01:58:59.279 lot of student 01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:03.069 population there that's gonna ambulate you know they're not 01:59:03.069 --> 01:59:04.439 gonna drive so 01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:07.510 taking that into consideration do you really think it's 01:59:07.510 --> 01:59:09.000 gonna require 16 01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:12.789 parking spaces to handle what you suspected is gonna be oh 01:59:12.789 --> 01:59:13.479 absolutely yes 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:16.439 sir if we could possibly put more you probably would we do 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:17.239 get a lot of foot 01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:19.930 traffic at this door from the college students but we get a 01:59:19.930 --> 01:59:20.880 lot of car traffic 01:59:20.880 --> 01:59:23.680 as well and we're experiencing issues now with actually 01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:25.159 parking at the pumps 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.739 when they're not actually needing to get gas I'm including 01:59:27.739 --> 01:59:28.760 those college students 01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:31.170 who don't need to get gas and they'll just park there and 01:59:31.170 --> 01:59:33.319 it's just holding up 01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:37.600 parking or a spot or a fueling position for our customers 01:59:37.600 --> 01:59:40.239 okay thank you yes sir 01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:45.670 Commissioner O'Zell thank you chair Commissioner Beck I've 01:59:45.670 --> 01:59:46.680 frequented this 01:59:46.680 --> 01:59:52.579 quick trip and so I can tell you at about 740 745 in the a. 01:59:52.579 --> 01:59:54.039 m. I am frequently 01:59:54.039 --> 01:59:58.319 parking at a pump or leaving this location because it is 01:59:58.319 --> 01:59:59.560 slammed packed 01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:03.890 and so I can totally I understand and I'm typically with 02:00:03.890 --> 02:00:05.560 you at the reduction 02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:08.920 of parking a lot of places but I can certainly see a need 02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:10.560 for this because 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:13.550 they're certainly missing out on business because their 02:00:13.550 --> 02:00:14.640 parking situation 02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:22.479 is really it's bad in the mornings it is crazy and I would 02:00:22.479 --> 02:00:22.840 like to say we 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:25.739 actually would not want to add more parking you know just 02:00:25.739 --> 02:00:26.720 cost extra you 02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:29.859 know but it's just again dictated by customer feedback and 02:00:29.859 --> 02:00:30.640 need and this is 02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:33.729 actually as busy as it is we have two other den stores that 02:00:33.729 --> 02:00:34.560 are far busier 02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:38.199 than than this one so the one on May Hill is our best store 02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:39.039 in Dallas Fort Worth 02:00:39.039 --> 02:00:44.729 that is not a travel center so Commissioner Hespeth yeah I 02:00:44.729 --> 02:00:45.640 just want 02:00:45.640 --> 02:00:50.079 to add one nugget I am concerned a little bit about and I 02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:50.800 know you're 02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:54.600 adding an entrance there so maybe it'll fix it but just for 02:00:54.600 --> 02:00:56.640 to add a note I'm 02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:59.000 curious about the security features from behind the 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:00.439 building because you have the 02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:03.260 yeah the day labor center you have the people I mean I mean 02:01:03.260 --> 02:01:03.960 the homeless 02:01:03.960 --> 02:01:07.069 population in Denton is just growing right so so they kind 02:01:07.069 --> 02:01:07.920 of hang out so if 02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:09.729 you're looking at the front door they hang out to the left 02:01:09.729 --> 02:01:10.359 there on the side 02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:13.159 of the ice machine and so now you give them access around a 02:01:13.159 --> 02:01:14.640 building and so if 02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:17.039 I have college students walking up let's say or someone 02:01:17.039 --> 02:01:18.359 from the laundry mat down 02:01:18.359 --> 02:01:22.369 I just I would just I don't know what that's what that 02:01:22.369 --> 02:01:23.680 looks like in practice 02:01:23.680 --> 02:01:27.600 I would just say hey I am generally concerned about parking 02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:28.319 around back if 02:01:28.319 --> 02:01:31.420 there's not lighting or some other things done to try to 02:01:31.420 --> 02:01:32.520 and again there's 02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:34.590 gonna be entrance there so it's gonna be going in and out 02:01:34.590 --> 02:01:36.680 sure I just I do have 02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:41.329 some concern not enough doesn't rise to the level where I'm 02:01:41.329 --> 02:01:42.119 against it it just 02:01:42.119 --> 02:01:45.270 is a concern no it's a valid concern and actually I'm happy 02:01:45.270 --> 02:01:45.800 you brought that up 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:48.010 because about two years ago we went through a whole 50 02:01:48.010 --> 02:01:48.680 million dollar 02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:51.529 security project and every square inch of the store is 02:01:51.529 --> 02:01:52.800 filmed and monitored I 02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:56.260 think in Tulsa and I think one per every ten stores or so 02:01:56.260 --> 02:01:57.720 is being watched at 02:01:57.720 --> 02:02:00.840 same time and it's it's and I'm not exaggerating it's the 02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:01.760 best in retail 02:02:01.760 --> 02:02:04.520 the Federal Reserve actually came to us and asked us how we 02:02:04.520 --> 02:02:05.520 can go about it for 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:08.920 banks we hired a former general who running our security 02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:10.159 team and it's bar 02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:12.789 none of the best security system there so we're bragging 02:02:12.789 --> 02:02:13.760 about that but it's 02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:19.840 it's absolutely true no and I don't disagree but this is a 02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:20.319 little pet peeve 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:22.659 of mine sure I'm going to tangent you can go you can go to 02:02:22.659 --> 02:02:23.800 the post office and 02:02:23.800 --> 02:02:26.029 you have great pictures of people are looking for finding 02:02:26.029 --> 02:02:26.680 them is a tricky 02:02:26.680 --> 02:02:30.810 part so so the fact that you capture on video you know you 02:02:30.810 --> 02:02:32.279 got I mean I wanted 02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:34.859 to be more preventative then we have a video of them and if 02:02:34.859 --> 02:02:35.680 you see them call 02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:38.739 us yeah and I'm not saying that's your practice I'm just 02:02:38.739 --> 02:02:40.039 saying I don't I take 02:02:40.039 --> 02:02:44.060 little comfort and when people I mean it happens often but 02:02:44.060 --> 02:02:45.439 it and so I'll say it's 02:02:45.439 --> 02:02:47.529 a pet peeve of mine but people say hey I have a video 02:02:47.529 --> 02:02:49.640 system and there's pictures 02:02:49.640 --> 02:02:52.529 of them but you can't you know you got to get them and so I 02:02:52.529 --> 02:02:53.399 just want to I just 02:02:53.399 --> 02:02:56.590 want to I think y'all are on top of it and that's great to 02:02:56.590 --> 02:02:57.840 know because then I 02:02:57.840 --> 02:03:02.899 wanted to champion you know what y'all are doing and for 02:03:02.899 --> 02:03:03.960 our community that I 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:09.020 think so I appreciate that commissioner back it wasn't 02:03:09.020 --> 02:03:11.119 brought up but we you'd be 02:03:11.119 --> 02:03:16.300 adding lighting in the back there yes sir okay thanks any 02:03:16.300 --> 02:03:17.600 other questions for 02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:24.800 applicant thank you sir for your presentation 02:03:25.199 --> 02:03:27.939 since there's no one else in the room I'm gonna take it 02:03:27.939 --> 02:03:29.279 that there aren't any 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:32.500 more speakers and I'm gonna close the public hearing and 02:03:32.500 --> 02:03:33.760 open the floor for 02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:38.840 discussion or a motion Commissioner Hesbuth I move approval 02:03:38.840 --> 02:03:39.960 with the 02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:43.640 conditions yes with the the conditions that staff is as 02:03:43.640 --> 02:03:45.239 laid out okay 02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:49.159 Commissioner Rozelle second okay we have a first and a 02:03:49.159 --> 02:03:51.159 second for approval with 02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:54.439 the conditions that are in the backup and that staff has 02:03:54.439 --> 02:03:55.760 read into the record 02:03:55.760 --> 02:04:01.659 with the first and second on any discussion or other 02:04:01.659 --> 02:04:03.960 questions the only 02:04:03.960 --> 02:04:06.260 question I have is when I meant to ask the applicant when 02:04:06.260 --> 02:04:07.279 you were up you can 02:04:07.279 --> 02:04:11.439 just shake your head were you okay with all the criteria 02:04:11.439 --> 02:04:12.439 that we had for approval 02:04:12.439 --> 02:04:15.800 conditions if you don't mind if you've got comment if you 02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:16.460 'll give it to the 02:04:16.460 --> 02:04:19.159 mic I'm sorry 02:04:22.359 --> 02:04:25.010 thank you I thought about saying something on my way back 02:04:25.010 --> 02:04:25.720 to the seat 02:04:25.720 --> 02:04:28.539 we can comply with all of them the only one I would I would 02:04:28.539 --> 02:04:29.560 ask maybe to deviate 02:04:29.560 --> 02:04:32.140 from is to add the four extra trees the only reason I say 02:04:32.140 --> 02:04:33.199 that kind of goes to 02:04:33.199 --> 02:04:36.210 your concern as if you kind of look at the site plan back 02:04:36.210 --> 02:04:37.239 there we kind of have 02:04:37.239 --> 02:04:39.779 a bunch of trees there and with the kind of long crew 02:04:39.779 --> 02:04:41.039 problem that we have at 02:04:41.039 --> 02:04:44.010 that store we kind of don't want them hanging out behind in 02:04:44.010 --> 02:04:44.840 that area 02:04:44.840 --> 02:04:48.340 specifically not only that but in in for the future if we 02:04:48.340 --> 02:04:49.640 want to expand even 02:04:49.640 --> 02:04:53.399 more kind of expand to more so our current store if we're 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:54.560 able to acquire 02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:57.430 more land it just would kind of make it easier on us just 02:04:57.430 --> 02:04:58.880 kind of make it easier 02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:02.140 for us to be able to develop and not have to remove those 02:05:02.140 --> 02:05:03.920 trees as well I'll 02:05:03.920 --> 02:05:07.069 follow up I think we have somewhere in here about moving 02:05:07.069 --> 02:05:08.319 some existing trees 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:11.100 you know what size the existing trees are approximately I 02:05:11.100 --> 02:05:12.439 do not not off the 02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:17.920 top my staff would know how big the existing trees are 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:24.399 okay so you're moving for six inch trees you don't have a 02:05:24.399 --> 02:05:26.520 problem with that 02:05:26.520 --> 02:05:30.529 you're asking about for two inch trees adding those yeah 02:05:30.529 --> 02:05:32.159 absolutely and really 02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:36.170 I just wanted to state that even with their removing some 02:05:36.170 --> 02:05:37.439 trees were still 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:40.729 five and square feet of square feet over the canopy on the 02:05:40.729 --> 02:05:42.239 parking area and 48 02:05:42.239 --> 02:05:45.930 hundred square feet as a whole for the entire development 02:05:45.930 --> 02:05:47.159 so well over other 02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:53.880 what dent requires okay I'll ask motioning Commissioner if 02:05:53.880 --> 02:05:54.279 you want to 02:05:54.279 --> 02:06:00.729 amend your motion for the four two-inch trees or leave as 02:06:00.729 --> 02:06:04.560 is can I call Hayward 02:06:04.560 --> 02:06:09.800 up was that absolutely yeah mr. Hayward 02:06:17.720 --> 02:06:22.800 does eight inches of tree matter what which give me give me 02:06:22.800 --> 02:06:26.399 your thought on 02:06:26.399 --> 02:06:36.340 you like that awesome I'm proud of me well the additional 02:06:36.340 --> 02:06:39.600 trees of course as 02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:39.600 canopy to the city being an area where there's a lot of 02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:44.239 traffic a lot of 02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:48.640 emissions they help you know to purify their clean air so 02:06:48.640 --> 02:06:50.399 of course it matters 02:06:50.399 --> 02:06:53.449 because it's this future tree canopy for the city there are 02:06:53.449 --> 02:06:54.560 a number of mature 02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:59.279 trees on the site of alone that believes the south boundary 02:06:59.279 --> 02:07:00.119 one thing when you're 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:02.819 looking at managing trees you look at you know having a 02:07:02.819 --> 02:07:03.840 diversity of age of 02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:07.119 your your trees on a site or in a city so as some of those 02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:08.159 older trees are 02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:10.640 dying off you have some of the younger trees to take their 02:07:10.640 --> 02:07:11.439 place so it's kind 02:07:11.439 --> 02:07:18.819 of a circle of life type thing we're having discussion have 02:07:18.819 --> 02:07:19.520 you got a 02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:23.529 military finish have you got another follow-up or comment 02:07:23.529 --> 02:07:24.920 with Haywood no so 02:07:24.920 --> 02:07:29.119 I'm just thinking out loud I'm gonna leave the four trees 02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:32.000 but I would be 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:35.430 willing to have Hayward in the applicant discuss location 02:07:35.430 --> 02:07:36.359 because I think his 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:40.279 point is valid and I take him at his word that if they're 02:07:40.279 --> 02:07:41.079 expanding if 02:07:41.079 --> 02:07:45.130 they're doing something to kind of place them where it's it 02:07:45.130 --> 02:07:46.880 's user-friendly and 02:07:46.880 --> 02:07:52.369 easy on them and still doesn't lower the requirement or a 02:07:52.369 --> 02:07:54.560 request okay so you 02:07:54.560 --> 02:07:56.680 were not going to amend the most we're gonna leave it as is 02:07:56.680 --> 02:07:57.319 I think the site 02:07:57.319 --> 02:08:01.609 plan had a designation for the trees went to I believe the 02:08:01.609 --> 02:08:02.720 four trees have 02:08:02.720 --> 02:08:06.229 removed yes but I'm saying if that if that location does 02:08:06.229 --> 02:08:07.520 not work for the 02:08:07.520 --> 02:08:10.630 applicant and there is a different location that the 02:08:10.630 --> 02:08:12.159 applicant then is more 02:08:12.159 --> 02:08:17.649 at peace with than they they can work that out okay I don't 02:08:17.649 --> 02:08:19.800 know if that's we 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:22.720 have any concerns legal 02:08:28.239 --> 02:08:32.619 the site plan for consideration by council thank you okay 02:08:32.619 --> 02:08:34.760 no then I'll 02:08:34.760 --> 02:08:42.189 leave it as is and just leave it okay thank you do we have 02:08:42.189 --> 02:08:42.520 any other 02:08:42.520 --> 02:08:48.119 discussion we have a motion and a second for approval with 02:08:48.119 --> 02:08:48.880 all the 02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:53.949 conditions that were listed as as in the backup and per 02:08:53.949 --> 02:08:55.520 staff am I correct on 02:08:55.520 --> 02:08:58.760 your motion that is correct and I welcome discussion okay 02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:00.479 any discussions 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:06.369 before we take a vote on the board you know Commissioner 02:09:06.369 --> 02:09:07.399 else thank you chair 02:09:07.399 --> 02:09:09.199 I'll just say what I was going to say but I'm glad you're 02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:09.920 not changing your 02:09:09.920 --> 02:09:13.590 motion just you know what we need the trees here I mean we 02:09:13.590 --> 02:09:14.479 were just you know 02:09:14.479 --> 02:09:17.500 graded as one of the worst heirs in DFW I mean we need 02:09:17.500 --> 02:09:18.880 trees you know so the 02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:21.770 suggestion by staff I think is a good one to to add the 02:09:21.770 --> 02:09:22.960 trees and I hope you 02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:28.189 can do that and thank you Commissioner Taylor thank you 02:09:28.189 --> 02:09:29.520 chair and I do think 02:09:29.520 --> 02:09:32.420 there are opportunities but I'm just looking at the the 02:09:32.420 --> 02:09:33.520 landscape plan as it 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:38.159 is now and the species isn't specified so they could be 02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:39.000 smaller they could and 02:09:39.000 --> 02:09:43.380 there are places along the road frontage you have a pretty 02:09:43.380 --> 02:09:44.800 steady canopy but 02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:47.699 there are gaps in the canopy and around the new parking 02:09:47.699 --> 02:09:48.760 area there's a big 02:09:48.760 --> 02:09:52.000 island it's about a 15 or 20 foot diameter island put one 02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:53.920 over there and I 02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:58.020 mean I just feel like there are places to put to plant four 02:09:58.020 --> 02:09:59.319 trees of a medium 02:09:59.319 --> 02:10:03.239 variety without adding to the forest behind the building 02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:05.000 necessarily so those 02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:09.010 were going to be my comments on it okay Commissioner Rizzo 02:10:09.010 --> 02:10:11.239 to both Mr. Ellis and 02:10:11.239 --> 02:10:15.000 Commissioner Taylor's point I I would might ask 02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:17.239 Commissioner Hussbett to make 02:10:17.239 --> 02:10:21.409 an amendment to free up it's my understanding that the the 02:10:21.409 --> 02:10:22.079 motion on the 02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:24.489 table right now would actually define those trees are 02:10:24.489 --> 02:10:26.640 placed correct not the 02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:30.060 new trees just the ones that are being relocated so the way 02:10:30.060 --> 02:10:30.960 the motion has been 02:10:30.960 --> 02:10:38.939 placed these four additional the site plan only delineates 02:10:38.939 --> 02:10:39.960 where the trees are 02:10:39.960 --> 02:10:43.170 to be relocated but the four new trees it does not have a 02:10:43.170 --> 02:10:44.600 space for correct 02:10:44.600 --> 02:10:49.930 it does it does it's actually eight trees total it's four 02:10:49.930 --> 02:10:52.319 moved and then four new 02:10:52.319 --> 02:10:55.239 those in the side plan that those are the relocated trees 02:10:55.239 --> 02:10:56.199 yes sir those are 02:10:56.199 --> 02:11:00.039 the relocated so the new trees they have discretion yes sir 02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:02.600 okay then I take back 02:11:02.600 --> 02:11:16.000 everything I I did want to staff did in there in our yes 02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:21.479 yeah okay my only 02:11:21.479 --> 02:11:24.930 comment is I'm gonna go ahead and vote for approval with 02:11:24.930 --> 02:11:26.279 the conditions but I 02:11:26.279 --> 02:11:30.289 do want to bring up for the applicants point they're still 02:11:30.289 --> 02:11:31.560 25 percent and 02:11:31.560 --> 02:11:35.470 they're only required 20 so they're above and beyond what's 02:11:35.470 --> 02:11:36.520 required and I 02:11:36.520 --> 02:11:39.270 know the reason for that was because of the parking number 02:11:39.270 --> 02:11:41.199 of parking spaces but 02:11:41.199 --> 02:11:46.250 as far as a minimum they are already above so with that I'm 02:11:46.250 --> 02:11:48.600 going to call for 02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:54.560 a vote hand sign all those in favor of approval with 02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:56.119 conditions please raise 02:11:56.119 --> 02:12:01.670 your right hand all those opposed same sign seeing none 02:12:01.670 --> 02:12:03.079 motion carries six zero 02:12:03.079 --> 02:12:05.609 for approval with the conditions congratulations and good 02:12:05.609 --> 02:12:06.159 luck with your 02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:17.640 project that will take us to our project matrix and conclud 02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:21.239 ing items okay I did 02:12:21.239 --> 02:12:24.270 get the request from the last meeting and I have 02:12:24.270 --> 02:12:26.479 communicated that information 02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:30.250 to Deborah Vieira in Earl's so you should expect an update 02:12:30.250 --> 02:12:31.479 sometime in the 02:12:31.479 --> 02:12:36.119 near future on the ESA request and also the the street 02:12:36.119 --> 02:12:39.000 improvements I'm gonna I 02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:43.739 want to gauge your interest for Trico because that is going 02:12:43.739 --> 02:12:45.159 to be coming back 02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:51.829 not for discussion but just for scheduling purposes we've 02:12:51.829 --> 02:12:53.119 we are trying 02:12:53.119 --> 02:12:57.609 to plan an additional work session before we bring the item 02:12:57.609 --> 02:12:58.319 back for 02:12:58.319 --> 02:13:03.340 consideration and I'm wondering do you guys want to do that 02:13:03.340 --> 02:13:04.640 on a regularly 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:08.560 scheduled work session or would you be open to a special 02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:10.000 call just for trees 02:13:10.000 --> 02:13:16.069 I'm just gonna suspend the rules just we'll do discussion 02:13:16.069 --> 02:13:17.800 yeah so my primary 02:13:17.800 --> 02:13:21.970 thought on that is we need to in the legal world you take a 02:13:21.970 --> 02:13:23.119 deposition to 02:13:23.119 --> 02:13:26.899 nail down people's testimony right and I think so I 02:13:26.899 --> 02:13:28.840 parallel that to the tree 02:13:28.840 --> 02:13:32.239 ordinance I just I don't care when we meet my only 02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:34.039 requirement and request is 02:13:34.039 --> 02:13:38.229 that we nail down a meeting with the certain number of 02:13:38.229 --> 02:13:39.840 developers and get 02:13:39.840 --> 02:13:46.020 their thoughts captured because last time they came and 02:13:46.020 --> 02:13:47.159 talked to us and 02:13:47.159 --> 02:13:49.579 they were all over the place they didn't agree with each 02:13:49.579 --> 02:13:50.880 other and I just want to 02:13:50.880 --> 02:13:54.560 try to solidify that at least get it some sort of record 02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:55.760 get them on record 02:13:55.760 --> 02:13:59.199 before we have to then listen to them tell us how crazy we 02:13:59.199 --> 02:14:01.640 are and and and and 02:14:01.640 --> 02:14:04.590 it's not based on anything so I would like for staff to 02:14:04.590 --> 02:14:06.199 meet and Heyward to 02:14:06.199 --> 02:14:10.340 meet with them and pin them down and then at least we have 02:14:10.340 --> 02:14:11.319 some sort of 02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:14.890 record to say well on Tuesday you said and now that somehow 02:14:14.890 --> 02:14:16.119 that's changed but 02:14:16.119 --> 02:14:20.130 I just the fluidity is in my opinion the problem that they 02:14:20.130 --> 02:14:21.600 kind of vacillate so 02:14:21.600 --> 02:14:25.109 more we could pin them down and whatever that number is it 02:14:25.109 --> 02:14:27.119 is but just to get 02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:30.079 them static and then we can kind of move forward so I'd 02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:31.359 like for staff to meet 02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:35.760 with whatever developers to kind of get a feel for their 02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:37.279 thoughts and then 02:14:37.279 --> 02:14:43.510 before it comes to us I'm personally with Christian Oats 02:14:43.510 --> 02:14:45.000 mith I can meet any 02:14:45.000 --> 02:14:48.840 time it needs to be a special call it seems to make sense 02:14:48.840 --> 02:14:50.000 to me just to do it 02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:54.680 on a Wednesday before maybe it's selfishly but I have the 02:14:54.680 --> 02:14:55.199 calendar of my 02:14:55.199 --> 02:14:58.579 kind of Wednesdays afternoons blocked off but if I mean 02:14:58.579 --> 02:14:59.520 given lead time 02:14:59.520 --> 02:15:09.760 special calls fine okay okay yeah my preference would also 02:15:09.760 --> 02:15:11.840 be just a work 02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:16.520 session item instead of a special meeting okay and and we 02:15:16.520 --> 02:15:17.920 if we know it's 02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:21.689 coming and it runs over our hour and a half or whatever we 02:15:21.689 --> 02:15:22.840 might have I'd also I 02:15:22.840 --> 02:15:26.260 would prefer just to come in at 9 you know stay after the 02:15:26.260 --> 02:15:27.520 meeting go back into 02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:32.340 work session at the end then spread it out over a month or 02:15:32.340 --> 02:15:35.720 two okay so you all 02:15:35.720 --> 02:15:41.479 want a special session workshop and then you are wanting a 02:15:41.479 --> 02:15:43.119 regular work session I 02:15:43.119 --> 02:15:47.890 guess to clarify I'm just prefer to be on a Wednesday if we 02:15:47.890 --> 02:15:48.359 need with the work 02:15:48.359 --> 02:15:51.619 session up to four to accommodate that's on a regularly 02:15:51.619 --> 02:15:52.640 scheduled day not 02:15:52.640 --> 02:15:56.039 yes yes but I'm with the Commissioner Taylor I'm fine 02:15:56.039 --> 02:15:57.439 pulling a late night if 02:15:57.439 --> 02:16:01.069 if the Commission needs to meet at five and on a whole can 02:16:01.069 --> 02:16:02.720 't meet earlier yeah 02:16:02.720 --> 02:16:06.560 I think I'm the same and I think if we do some stuff on the 02:16:06.560 --> 02:16:08.399 front end it'll 02:16:08.399 --> 02:16:16.750 shorten a lot of the the conversations well having looked 02:16:16.750 --> 02:16:17.760 at a preliminary 02:16:17.760 --> 02:16:21.600 draft of it it's quite lengthy so we may need to do that 02:16:21.600 --> 02:16:22.920 several times or we can 02:16:22.920 --> 02:16:26.619 knock it out with just a special call workshop okay like we 02:16:26.619 --> 02:16:27.239 did the oil and 02:16:27.239 --> 02:16:40.850 gas so it's up to you all yeah I would think two hours two 02:16:40.850 --> 02:16:43.399 hours and so if it's 02:16:43.399 --> 02:16:46.700 okay we can just go ahead and do a full background for 02:16:46.700 --> 02:16:48.239 Commissioner Ellis and 02:16:48.239 --> 02:16:51.729 Commissioner Sullivan at that meeting and then pick up 02:16:51.729 --> 02:16:52.920 where we left off the 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:56.370 last time does that make sense or do you guys have any 02:16:56.370 --> 02:16:58.959 preference so so is it so 02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:02.260 is it dramatically changed or is it similar to what we saw 02:17:02.260 --> 02:17:02.799 in the summer 02:17:02.799 --> 02:17:07.440 it's changed okay and so we're gonna have to reintroduce it 02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:11.719 to the DCA the 02:17:11.719 --> 02:17:16.680 developers is it what's the anagram for it BCDA thank you 02:17:16.680 --> 02:17:18.680 in order to get some 02:17:18.680 --> 02:17:22.379 feedback from them and then we'll bring it forward and and 02:17:22.379 --> 02:17:23.600 do a page turn like 02:17:23.600 --> 02:17:26.719 we did I think that would be helpful a page turn don't you 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:28.159 okay so do like a 02:17:28.159 --> 02:17:31.639 three-hour work session on a Wednesday okay I think that 02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:32.000 would be more 02:17:32.000 --> 02:17:34.520 beneficial that way you're not coming back again and again 02:17:34.520 --> 02:17:35.360 and having to stay 02:17:35.360 --> 02:17:38.559 late again and again in just one work session not a series 02:17:38.559 --> 02:17:39.479 well yeah and we'll 02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:42.520 see how we stand at that point if we can get through it 02:17:42.520 --> 02:17:43.520 okay 02:17:43.520 --> 02:17:47.700 y'all I'm able to do a special call and try to get through 02:17:47.700 --> 02:17:49.879 it not December right 02:17:49.879 --> 02:17:57.079 this would be it's next year I can see your mind twirling 02:17:57.079 --> 02:17:58.920 no we're not gonna 02:17:58.920 --> 02:18:05.159 interfere with vacations so maybe a Wednesday where you don 02:18:05.159 --> 02:18:05.680 't have a 02:18:05.680 --> 02:18:09.040 regularly scheduled meeting but you know between go ahead 02:18:09.040 --> 02:18:09.799 and do a special 02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:13.229 session and this be after first year sometime January or 02:18:13.229 --> 02:18:15.159 February right we 02:18:15.159 --> 02:18:23.069 need some time to present it to DCDA to present to them or 02:18:23.069 --> 02:18:26.280 present to us okay 02:18:26.280 --> 02:18:33.129 so special call sometime in January maybe towards the end 02:18:33.129 --> 02:18:34.040 of January between 02:18:34.040 --> 02:18:36.700 our second and fourth like the third Wednesday that way 02:18:36.700 --> 02:18:37.760 maybe the first part 02:18:37.760 --> 02:18:43.409 you can get with DCDA and does that talk about calendars is 02:18:43.409 --> 02:18:44.799 where I want to get 02:18:44.799 --> 02:18:47.100 their calendar out right quick and kind of see what that 02:18:47.100 --> 02:18:48.600 looks like that would 02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:56.200 be and help me with that that would be January when are our 02:18:56.200 --> 02:19:00.000 meetings in January 02:19:02.000 --> 02:19:08.760 they said the 18th is actually not good for me yeah don't 02:19:08.760 --> 02:19:09.959 we have a joint session 02:19:09.959 --> 02:19:12.479 that's trying to happen with council in January - do you 02:19:12.479 --> 02:19:13.399 have the new meetings on 02:19:13.399 --> 02:19:17.420 your schedule I think and the January didn't she said 11 02:19:17.420 --> 02:19:21.200 okay so we could do 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:25.850 it the 18th or the first I have a conflict on the 18th at 6 02:19:25.850 --> 02:19:27.860 p.m. we could 02:19:27.860 --> 02:19:30.340 do it February 1st and that'll give us the whole month of 02:19:30.340 --> 02:19:31.280 January to get with 02:19:31.280 --> 02:19:38.299 developers and get go back and forth on it well I think it 02:19:38.299 --> 02:19:46.879 's reasonable okay 02:19:47.879 --> 02:19:52.989 tentatively February 1st is probably gonna be a problem for 02:19:52.989 --> 02:19:55.479 me so I'm sorry if 02:19:55.479 --> 02:19:59.040 we cannot it's my daughter's 18th birthday it would be 02:19:59.040 --> 02:19:59.959 really tough for me 02:19:59.959 --> 02:20:03.600 to be here talking about trees which I love trees but that 02:20:03.600 --> 02:20:04.840 would be a tough day 02:20:04.840 --> 02:20:10.959 for me February 1st but everyone else is okay so could we 02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:12.440 could we just not have 02:20:12.440 --> 02:20:21.760 anything contentious on the January 25th agenda and so well 02:20:21.760 --> 02:20:24.879 it's just that 02:20:24.879 --> 02:20:29.159 council only has one meeting in January and so there's 02:20:29.159 --> 02:20:30.639 gonna be a race for 02:20:30.639 --> 02:20:34.440 everybody to get recommendations here to go to council so I 02:20:34.440 --> 02:20:36.000 'm just thinking ahead 02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:44.959 that we might have an issue so we'll get with you more than 02:20:44.959 --> 02:20:45.760 likely sometime 02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:48.959 unfortunately sound like maybe February and not the first 02:20:48.959 --> 02:20:50.120 and we'll let you guys 02:20:50.120 --> 02:20:55.200 get some dates and figure that out just one comment if I 02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:55.239 could sure can we get 02:20:55.239 --> 02:20:57.959 an update on the staff list there's a few changes in there 02:20:57.959 --> 02:20:58.719 including this 02:20:58.719 --> 02:21:04.409 Jarvis so we could get an update on changes so you need an 02:21:04.409 --> 02:21:05.319 updated contact 02:21:05.319 --> 02:21:19.850 list for staff anything else for our project matrix 02:21:19.850 --> 02:21:24.479 commissioner matrix but 02:21:24.479 --> 02:21:29.799 Merry Christmas and happy new year absolutely last meeting 02:21:29.799 --> 02:21:31.000 here a good call 02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:36.610 okay with that seeing none others I'm going to close our 02:21:36.610 --> 02:21:38.159 meeting this evening 02:21:38.159 --> 02:21:42.559 at 830 thank you everyone and again Merry Christmas happy 02:21:42.559 --> 02:21:44.760 new year