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session for December the 14th this meeting has been duly

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at 531 our first order

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of business will be to receive clarification of agenda

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the items tonight

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okay we have two items on the consent agenda a final plat

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there's any questions we can call up the case managers if

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not we'll go to the

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public hearing items. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair I

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just had one and I

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don't know if it's a big deal or not there's a typo in in

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the prelim plot I

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don't know if that's important to know but yeah it's in the

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notes line too okay

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it just says that the R is missing from ground. Thanks for

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helping us get it right.

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Okay and so we have two items for public hearing the first

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is a zoning case for

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the country club of states and I'll invite Haley Zagurski

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All right this is case Z1625 for country club road of

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states and the request is to hold a

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public hearing and consider a request to rezone

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approximately 15 and a half

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acres from neighborhood residential 2 to neighborhood

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residential 3 as well as to

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rezone approximately 20 acres from neighborhood residential

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4 to

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neighborhood residential 3. The subject property is

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comprised of four parcels

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of land three of them have frontage on country club road

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the fourth is

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currently landlocked they're located on the east side of

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country club road

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approximately 265 feet south of Regency Court and to give

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you a little bit

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better view of where this is at the very top you can see

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the Fort Worth drive and

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country club road intersection as well as how this relates

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to Hobson Lane.

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Some of the surrounding properties the Bent Creek estate

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subdivision is located

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east or west across country club road Regency Oaks is

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immediately to the north

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of this property and the El Paso addition is to the east of

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it and there

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is a tributary of Hickory Creek that runs north to south

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across the property.

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So as I mentioned currently 15 and a half acres which is

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roughly 43 percent

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of the property is zoned NR2 a little over 20 acres or

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about 56 percent is

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zoned NR4 and the proposal is to rezone all four parcels to

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NR3.

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Commissioner Back. Thank you Chair. Go back that little

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strip out there is that that road is

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that all that is that little panhandle? Oh yes I believe

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that's their access. Okay.

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So the future land use designation for the property is low

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residential and this

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designation allows for single-family residential areas with

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a density of up

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to four units per acre. It encourages new single-family

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developments that is

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compatible with existing neighborhoods and it promotes a

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variety of housing

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styles types and price points. So some of our

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considerations for this rezoning to

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NR3 is not inconsistent with the surrounding patterns it's

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not an

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immediate continuation of anything adjoining the property

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but there is

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other NR3 across country club road from the property. The

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permitted uses within

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the NR3 district are consistent with the surrounding

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development primarily

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single-family dwellings or what's permitted there. Multi-

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family and duplex

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uses are not permitted in the current or the proposed

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zoning district and NR3 is

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consistent with that future land use designation of low

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residential. Overall

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this provides for a decrease in the intensity of the

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current zoning because

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over half of the property is currently NR4 and it would be

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reduced to NR3 and

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NR3 is kind of an intermediate in terms of density and

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scale from what's

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currently there so that would provide a more logical

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transition between the

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existing NR2 zone neighborhoods and what is being proposed.

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So just to give you a

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look at that the NR3 regulations that they would be subject

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to if this is

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approved are circled in yellow in the middle so it's kind

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of an intermediate

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in terms of the density that's allowed in the zoning

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districts as well as in

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the lot coverage and the other criteria and so this rez

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oning would consolidate

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the development in the future from having two different

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sets of criteria

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that it would have to be looked at with when they go to

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Platte and develop to

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just one set of zoning criteria. The existing zoning with

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the two

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different designations would allow a maximum of 111 lots on

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the entire

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property. The proposed zoning would permit up to 124 lots

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or 124 dwelling

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units per acre to be exact. The applicant has stated that

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their intent is to

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develop between 73 and 78 lots and that is reduced and

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depend the final

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configuration and number of lots will depend on the

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physical constraints that

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are imposed by the current floodplain and alternative ESA

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that runs through the

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property so they have an application in for an alternative

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environmentally

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sensitive area plan and depending on how that is worked out

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would basically

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determine what configuration of lots they could achieve

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here.

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Notification was sent out for this case. 46 notices sent to

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properties within 200

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feet, 126 sent to the 500 foot radius. We received two in

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opposition, one in favor,

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one neutral, and one that I placed on your desk today was

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received and they

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were kind of undecided on how they felt about the case. All

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of the other notices

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or responses that I received were included in your backup

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with the

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notification map. So staff recommends approval of this

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request as it's

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compatible with the surrounding land use and zoning pattern

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and is consistent

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with the goals and objectives of the Denton Plan 2030 and I

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'll stand for any

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questions if you have them. Commissioner Taylor. Thank you

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Chair. I have I have

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several questions some pertain just to this project and

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some are just just

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general questions on a development that might have a mixed

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zoning. So can you

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back up to the area the two more I think two more back not

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the area one one

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forward I'm sorry with the floodplain. So those houses that

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are already built on

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Country Club Road those are on individual fairly small parc

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els those

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are kind of like an about an NR3 or NR4 density right now

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aren't they? There's

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ten total houses that front Country Club right now they're

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actually all on one parcel of land.

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It's not individual lots. Oh okay so if they were parceled

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out it would I'm like

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just looking across the street is NR3 and they're a little

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bit tighter

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together than the NR3 are. So okay. Again I believe just to

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clarify the

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subdivision across the street is NR3 but it was developed

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before that zoning

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designation was put in place so I think it is actually a

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higher density than NR3.

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Okay all right and my other question is this is probably a

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good map to do it on

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they're they're aiming for 75 ish lots how does density

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transfer work in a

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development if you actually had a development with two zon

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ings in it like

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some of our larger developments have in our three at the

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front and our six at

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the back or something like that can you density transfer is

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it only within the

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the boundaries of the zoning district okay. Hey Alex so I'm

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this and trying to figure out because you get a bunch of

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you know 25% of that

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or 20% of that or something is in a floodplain so you'd get

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a bunch of

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density transfer anyway so it seems like you could still

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build 75 lots really

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easily so I'm just trying to understand you know and I

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understand there might be

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like they probably want the same zoning across the entire

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project and there

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might be those side yard sizes and things like that that as

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to why the

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developers doing it I'm just trying to trying to understand

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for my own

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education. Yeah I believe a lot of the intent was to

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consolidate it under one

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set of regulations there because the way it's configured

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now that NR4 would

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lead to smaller lots kind of in the back of the property

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and larger lots on the

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edges and so I think just to simplify moving forward they

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were hoping to

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consolidate that but I believe the applicant will be here

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at the public

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hearing later if you have any questions. And then the hatch

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ed orange here are

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those areas that have been are being removed from the ESA

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or what's the

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designation there do you know? The hatched areas are

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historic Lomar. Oh okay

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so not really. Yeah the blue area is the current floodplain

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. All right thank you.

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Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. I'm sorry the hatch

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marks are historical what?

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Lomar I'm not sure. Earl would probably be able to better

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answer questions about

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what that designation is. Okay. Earl? Question? They're

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wondering what the

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hatched areas. Could you explain that a little bit more?

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The hatched area is the historical floodplain. Oh okay.

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That's what the floodplain used to be because it was unstud

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ied. Yeah. And so

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when the Regency development to the north came in they

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performed a letter of

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map revision to establish where the floodplain actually is

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by studying it

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and that's where the blue shade comes in. Okay so the

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historical little hatch marks.

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. Commissioner Hatchbeth. I don't know if this is

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another Earl question but I don't even know if I can ask it

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if it's

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germane to what we're considering today. Has anyone

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considered the ins and out of

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the property? Can we consider that at this point or no?

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take. Definitely

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gonna have access to Country Club and then there's a street

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stubbed out from

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the east and our code requires them to connect to that. I

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believe we also

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require connectivity to the south and I just don't I don't

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recall how many

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connection points you had on Country Club. At least one.

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One to the south and

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one to the east. Just one.

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Lee do you want to I think have a little more of a

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conversation if

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you want to come up and maybe you can answer some questions

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. Thank you.

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I'm sorry Lee Allison with Allison Engineering Group.

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Appreciate the visit

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to opportunity to visit here briefly. We do have a concept

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plan that'll be in my

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presentation this evening. It does include connection to

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the east and a

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connection to the west of Country Club Road and it does

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cross the floodplain in

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the developed portion or the developed floodplain portion

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of it and so the

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connectivity will be there. We've had some discussions

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about going to the

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south but I think because of the gas well and other reasons

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we thought we may

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not but that's not necessarily a closed discussion at this

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Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. I was gonna wait until

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the public hearing to

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act just but since we got you up here the egress or ingress

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from the east which

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is the metal land? Metal I think so. Okay is that gonna

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extend all the way across

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the property to Country Club? It's gonna wind through the

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property to Country

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Club. Okay. So in our concept plan and I'm gonna ask the

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attorney for comment I'm

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not sure how much it's appropriate for me to speak up now.

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We should wait until the

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regular session in order to go through that. I think we're

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staying in this room

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tonight because there's construction in the chamber. I'll

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be glad to answer

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any other questions that are appropriate for me at this

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time. Thank you.

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Thank you Lee. Any other questions? I'd have one and we may

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get into this a little

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later. Are they gonna be coming back with doing some type

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of a letter of map

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revision or or Clomore or something to narrow that flood

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plain as well and that

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I know that's extra beyond what we're talking about with

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zoning but they will

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they will have to submit for a conditional letter of map

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revision of

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Clomore and Lomar just because there's a street that's

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gonna be proposed across

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that creek and so that being said they're gonna have to

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reduce that flood

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plain to be contained within a pipe system at the road

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crossing. Okay great

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thank you. Any other questions for staff on this item? The

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next item is the

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specific use permit for the QT on Carroll and I'll invite

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Julie Wyatt up.

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Hi I'm Julie Wyatt. The request before you is to consider

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making recommendation to

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City Council regarding amending an SUP for the QT at

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Carroll and Eagle to allow

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them to add 16 more parking spaces to the site. The subject

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property is located

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on the corner here at Eagle in North Carroll. It's in a

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downtown commercial

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general zoning district. This zoning district does require

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a specific use

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permit for the use which is quick vehicle servicing. That

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SUP was approved

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in 2002 by the City Council and that that development

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included a 5,000 square

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foot retail building, 12 fuel pumps, 26 parking spaces, a

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little over 58,000

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square feet of impervious surface and then 25,594 square

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feet of new tree

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canopy. Yes sir. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair because

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I'm gonna get in part of

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this later but the 26 parking spaces does that include

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where the pumps are at

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or they consider parking spaces? Those are not considered

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parking spaces. Okay thanks.

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And here is that site plan associated with that with that

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SUP. Here's the I

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don't know what the black lines are. Here is the here's the

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building the

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gas pumps. They had access they have access to Carroll as

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well as Eagle and

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Myrtle. And then here is the landscape plan associated with

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it. They had street

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trees and some some landscape islands out by by the right

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of way. So here's

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what they're proposing. With this request they're proposing

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16 additional

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parking spaces and those are in the yellow. A pedestrian

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crossing to connect

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to this sidewalk on Carroll to the the retail building. In

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order to meet the

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screening requirements in the Denton Development Code there

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's a proposed

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three-foot masonry wall here that to match the the retail

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building. And then

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an inlet filter here which I'll go over in just a minute.

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Deborah might have

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additional information. And all of these proposed

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improvements would result in an

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impervious surface of 63,963 square feet which is 68%. Just

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to note that is that

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meets the Denton Development Code requirements for DCG

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which which

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permits a maximum of 85% lot coverage. So to go a little

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further into that inlet

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filter what this is it's it's it's a it's a bucket like

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structure that they

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put inside and in the existing curb inlet and as water

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during a rain event

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flows into that inlet a portion of that water will go into

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that bucket and

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through a filter. So it will then filter out as Deborah

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said floatable so anything

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that floats as well as any other pollution that's in that

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water. So that

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that's what that that filter would do. And the point of

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that is to reduce the

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pollutants particularly that are caused by the additional

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impervious surface. And

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then yes sir. Commissioner Beth. Thank you Chair. That area

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where they put the new

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parking spaces is way back there away from that drainage.

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Is everything pitched

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in that direction or? That's a really good question. No. It

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's an existing curb

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inlet and and as we were working with them and as we were

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talking with them

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this location you're right this does not necessarily drain

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here but this area the

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the pump area would drain there. So we can kind of infer

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that that's going to

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be an area that may see a lot of pollution and so since

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this

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infrastructure was already there it made sense to put that

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filter there to have a

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greater impact on on the runoff and the pollutants

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suspended within that runoff.

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But it's actually not going to help the 16 new parking. It

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won't help that but

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what it will do and let me I'm gonna show you this is

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schematic it is not

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where here this may help because I had the same question.

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So this is something

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that the applicant put together I said what is actually

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draining in there

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because it's I think it's a good question and and this is

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this yellow area

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is what they're showing would would actually potentially

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drain in that area

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which does take up some existing parking as well as those

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pump areas. So yes the

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the new parking area wouldn't necessarily flow in there but

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it would

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accommodate an impervious surface that is equal to or

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greater than what they're

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proposing as far as new pervious surface impervious surface

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. So those

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parking spaces wouldn't flow in there but other impervious

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surface on the site

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which one would imagine could get equally as polluted or

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have equally as

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many things drip on it would would flow through that area.

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This is kind of a

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what would you call it again say look we can't affect this

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area but look what

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we're doing to the area that is disinherited and it's doing

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much better than it was

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before. Essentially that is what they're proposing and and

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this is an existing

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infrastructure this is where the storm sewer goes to so

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that that's why it

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made sense for that location. Okay thank you. The proposal

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also would reduce the

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the existing tree canopy down to 25% to 23,800 square feet

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and here and here's

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how that's made up. These four trees would have to be

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actually relocated as

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as a result of this request and I'll show you those

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locations in a moment but

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they're proposing to relocate these four trees. These these

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trees they are

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proposing would have to be taken down as a result of this

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request and there's the

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location for those those relocated trees. This is kind of

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just a rendering of what

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they're proposing part of the reason for this request is

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that they are adding

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that side door adjacent to Carroll so they're they're

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wanting additional

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parking spaces next to that side door. The considerations

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that staff looked at

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since this proposal is purely a modification of an existing

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use it

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really is just to renovate an existing commercial use not

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adding an additional

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use to the area. It doesn't substantially affect the

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existing scalar form and it

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also complies with the with the the impervious cover and

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and and the building

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envelope for the governing zoning district for DCG so the

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impacts on the

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adjacent properties would be minimal. The inlet filter

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would address some of the

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pollution issues that are associated with additional

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parking so that that

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would that was a consideration that staff looked at and the

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request does

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comply with all of the criteria for specific use permits

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within subchapter

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six. Based upon that staff does recommend approval of the

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request but we do have

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it subject to some conditions. First that the proposal does

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substantially

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conform to the attached site plan, landscape plan, and

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grading plan is

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submitted and that includes that five foot REM Triton curb

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inlet filter with a

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replaceable REM fog media pack. It should be installed and

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maintained in the

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northwest corner of the site as depicted on the site plan.

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The applicant must

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submit three reports per calendar year to the planning

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division demonstrating

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that the curb inlet filter has been inspected and

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maintained a minimum of

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three times per year or when the debris or an accumulation

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reaches 80% of

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filtered capacity. Additionally the reports must confirm

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must provide

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confirmation that the REM, I think I have a typo there, FOG

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replaceable media has been replaced at least once per year

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when the media pack

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is 50% coated with contaminants. They have to provide that

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marked pedestrian

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connection as depicted on the site plan and also maintain

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relocate those four

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trees that they are proposing to relocate as shown on the

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landscape plan.

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In addition to that staff has one more recommendation and

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that is for four

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additional trees to be planted on the site. As a result of

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this proposal as I

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discussed the tree canopy would be lowered from to that 25

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%. In order to

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maintain the existing tree canopy on the site we're we're

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proposing a condition

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that they do plant four two-inch caliper trees to be

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planted in accordance with

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the landscape and tree canopy requirements in subchapter 13

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. Yes sir.

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Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. Did you show us where

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those four new trees were going?

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No that would be, yes they would need to be planted as a

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part of the site plan

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process and building permit. How many trees are we pulling

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out? This is the

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tree survey and I believe it's in your backup as well. I

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think there are one two

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three four five trees that were that were being removed

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some larger and some

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smaller and I didn't I didn't suggest we didn't suggest

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five trees because we

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looked at the overall canopy and so we wanted we wanted to

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maintain or get

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close to maintaining that existing canopy. Okay thank you.

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Sure. Commissioner

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Hatchbeth. Can we go back and look at whatever you would

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purport to be your

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best slide depicting where I'm trying to get my head around

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exactly where the

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I have a general idea where the parking space is going but

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I want to have

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questions of where the driveway is I'm just not real clear

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and where the

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driveway currently is that so I guess it would be the one

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that it's most south.

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Yes sir it is this one right here on Carroll. Okay and then

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so where are the

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new? It's in the yellow right here. Okay. So there's there

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's some behind it and

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then on the side adjacent to the retail and then and then

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and then here

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adjacent to Carroll. Okay and are there no concern I mean

540
00:25:12,539 --> 00:25:13,200
because it's pretty

541
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,069
difficult to get in there as is right because you're on

542
00:25:17,069 --> 00:25:18,319
Carroll and so you're

543
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:23,359
like 45 ish and you slide in and you're gonna have people

544
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,839
walking across there

545
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:29,220
which then backs up on to Carroll you get maybe what three

546
00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:32,440
cars before so if

547
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,920
someone's backing out you know and they're not at all

548
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,319
comfortable with it

549
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,680
or this I know I mean is that a concern at all? Engineering

550
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,599
has reviewed it and

551
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,049
and it meets the criteria for approval for for the

552
00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:47,079
transportation and for the

553
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:56,400
stacking. Okay thank you. And Earl will come up.

554
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:02,039
It met our I'm sorry it met our minimum stacking

555
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,039
requirements from a public

556
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:08,480
library that's our main concern is really backing up into

557
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,599
Carroll with

558
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,460
these parking parking spaces that you know the car has to

559
00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:13,279
wait for a car to

560
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,920
back out and exit will that result in a stacking back into

561
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,720
Carroll Boulevard and

562
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,410
that's those parking spaces are far back are into the side

563
00:26:23,410 --> 00:26:24,640
enough to prevent

564
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:31,319
that from happening. Continue sure. Yeah so what is that

565
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,039
walk me through I mean

566
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,980
because I don't just my experience with that filling

567
00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:37,440
station so you have where

568
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:43,200
the crosswalk is you'll have the air station is just to the

569
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,599
north of that

570
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,700
which in and of itself causes a little bit of a backup and

571
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,200
then so most people

572
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,400
avoid that second driveway near that crosswalk and they

573
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,480
would opt to pull

574
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:03,109
into that back one there and so I just no no the yes right

575
00:27:03,109 --> 00:27:04,160
there so I think

576
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,859
most people coming on to the site use that entrance and it

577
00:27:09,859 --> 00:27:11,519
's almost before you

578
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,339
see the gas station so it's kind of almost like a second

579
00:27:14,339 --> 00:27:15,440
thoughts like oh I'll

580
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,279
pull in here type thing and so I'm really I'm just curious

581
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,519
how many cars you you

582
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:27,259
will stack there I guess is the simplest question if if

583
00:27:27,259 --> 00:27:28,759
someone's backing out

584
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,059
let's say in the first base of the yellow nearest the

585
00:27:31,059 --> 00:27:32,480
building how many

586
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,759
cars can you get waiting before it gets on the Carol if a

587
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,039
car was in these

588
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:42,130
spaces and happen to block the traffic from entering the

589
00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:42,880
site yes how many

590
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,789
cars would it would it take to back in the Carol yes sir it

591
00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:46,599
is four vehicles

592
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:54,599
four okay thank you commissioner Taylor thank you chair so

593
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:55,839
I noticed on the

594
00:27:55,839 --> 00:28:00,000
original site plan there is an area of pervious paving yes

595
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,880
and that's

596
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,480
approximately where the parking spots are now behind to the

597
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,960
yeah so that's and

598
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,599
it's ten feet off the building and it's 20 feet wide so if

599
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,359
you go to the the new

600
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,410
the new site plan that's basically just exactly where those

601
00:28:15,410 --> 00:28:17,599
yellow spots are and

602
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:22,519
why was that pervious this is all it was for fire access

603
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,759
for fire access so that

604
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:29,829
was not used for so normally nobody volunteers for pervious

605
00:28:29,829 --> 00:28:31,359
paving so I was

606
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,450
wondering if there was a requirement if they were using per

607
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:35,960
vious paving because

608
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,539
they were exceeding some other I am not sure because they

609
00:28:41,539 --> 00:28:42,640
don't they don't get

610
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,890
close to the the maximum lot coverage so I'm not really

611
00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:49,519
sure why they elected to

612
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:54,680
do those pervious there instead of pavement and I guess

613
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,240
that that is the

614
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,250
most significant addition of concrete is that 34 by 70 is

615
00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:01,640
basically all new yes

616
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,440
sir that's where most of the 10,000 square feet of new

617
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,920
pavement is okay I'll

618
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,920
ask some questions and I guess nobody else

619
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,029
currently they're at 68 and they're permitted to have 85

620
00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:23,480
percent coverage

621
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,910
there they're there as proposed it would be 68 I believe it

622
00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:30,720
's 46 percent how

623
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,750
they are now they're way under though from what they could

624
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:38,039
be there have it

625
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,230
after this they'll have a 25 percent tree canopy they're

626
00:29:41,230 --> 00:29:42,279
only required to have

627
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:48,529
20 yes so why are they having to plant four two-inch trees

628
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:50,200
and why are they

629
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,970
putting in that filter out there when their site is in

630
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:55,519
compliance it seems

631
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,170
like they're doing extra things that aren't required they

632
00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:59,000
actually are

633
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,490
exceeding our required parking and because they're doing

634
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:05,960
that staff worked

635
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,710
with them instead of going through the ADP process we

636
00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:10,480
actually did work with

637
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,700
them on doing an ADP for the excess parking because they

638
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:14,759
are exceeding the

639
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:19,410
the permitted parking so but in the end we said let's just

640
00:30:19,410 --> 00:30:20,160
move forward with the

641
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,630
SUP because that you know that will be backed up by

642
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:24,880
ordinance so and it's it's

643
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,859
approved by City Council so they're actually doing those

644
00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:28,920
additional things

645
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,839
because they are exceeding our maximum parking with imper

646
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,759
vious surface okay so

647
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:38,880
it's the number of parking spaces not not the impervious

648
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,839
not the impervious

649
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:46,519
okay great thank you sure Commissioner Beck just one

650
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:47,359
general question is the

651
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,799
applicant gonna be here he will be okay he's on his way I

652
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:52,920
hope

653
00:30:54,039 --> 00:31:11,400
thank you thank you Julie okay I'm going to that's the last

654
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,319
item we have for

655
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,690
clarification on our work session so at 6 o 2 we're going

656
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:16,759
to close our work

657
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,680
session and we were going to reconvene in this room tonight

658
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,200
due to construction

659
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,559
and City Council chambers back in this same work session

660
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:29,119
room at 630 thank you

661
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:36,480
good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and

662
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Zoning Commission

663
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,880
meeting for December 14 2016 this meeting has been duly

664
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,880
posted and we have

665
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,420
a quorum present and I'm gonna call our meeting to order at

666
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:50,000
635 our first order

667
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,210
business this evening will be to stand and give the pledge

668
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:52,799
the US and the

669
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,400
Texas flag

670
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:23,799
honor the Texas flag under God one indivisible

671
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:34,710
there's just a point of order tonight we do not have

672
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:39,799
minutes tonight so I'm going

673
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:44,619
to move on to our consent agenda and since we're in our the

674
00:32:44,619 --> 00:32:45,839
council work

675
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:51,329
session meeting tonight we will not have electronic voting

676
00:32:51,329 --> 00:32:52,279
will just be doing

677
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:57,000
hand votes tonight so with that on our consent agenda the

678
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,720
chair would entertain

679
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,960
a motion or if there'd be discussion Commissioner Beck

680
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:00,920
thank you chair I move

681
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,079
we approve consent agenda okay second okay I have a first

682
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:06,480
from Commissioner

683
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,079
Beck and a second from Commissioner Taylor for approval any

684
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:11,240
discussion or

685
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:18,710
questions seeing none I'll call for a hand vote all those

686
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:19,680
in favor raise your

687
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:26,960
hand right hand all those opposed same sign passes unanim

688
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,759
ous six to zero that

689
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:35,880
will move us to our public hearing section and I'm going to

690
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,079
open the public

691
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:43,329
hearing for item a which is z 16 - zero zero two five and I

692
00:33:43,329 --> 00:33:44,779
will call on Haley

693
00:33:44,779 --> 00:33:48,240
for presentation on that

694
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:58,440
I don't have any cars let me announce that just as a second

695
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,519
I appreciate everybody

696
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,319
bearing with us tonight since we are not in our normal room

697
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,400
and we do have cards

698
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,039
if you would like to speak I don't know if they're just

699
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:11,159
outside the door tonight

700
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,519
if you'd like to speak please fill out a card you can there

701
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:16,480
are cards that will

702
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,650
be marked if you'd like to speak and there are cards if you

703
00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:19,360
would just like

704
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,599
your opinions or questions heard and not wishing to speak

705
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:23,840
there's cards that you

706
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,460
can do that if you'll just hand those up here to us we'll

707
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:27,599
take those in and then

708
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,280
call on you here as we get into the particular items that

709
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,599
your questions or

710
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:37,099
cards are for so with that announcement I'll turn back to H

711
00:34:37,099 --> 00:34:38,039
aley to for

712
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:41,000
presentation on this item yes since we have a little bit of

713
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,559
a crowd I'll go

714
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:44,139
ahead and run through the presentation from work session so

715
00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:45,659
this is case z 16

716
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:49,579
25 for Country Club Road estates the request was to hold a

717
00:34:49,579 --> 00:34:50,599
public hearing and

718
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,500
consider a request to rezone approximately 15 and a half

719
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:54,079
acres from

720
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,170
neighborhood residential 2 to neighborhood residential 3

721
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:57,840
and to rezone

722
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960
approximately 20 acres from neighborhood residential 4 to

723
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,300
neighborhood

724
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:06,760
residential 3 the property is comprised of four parcels of

725
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,760
land located on the

726
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,800
east side of Country Club Road just south of Regency Court

727
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,519
some just for a

728
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,289
reference the property is you can see the Country Club and

729
00:35:16,289 --> 00:35:17,199
Fort Worth Drive

730
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:19,150
intersection at the north side of the map to give you a

731
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:20,079
reference point there

732
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,730
the Regency Oak subdivision adjoins it to the north the Alp

733
00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:24,960
aceo addition adjoins

734
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,119
it to the east Bent Creek Estates is located just across

735
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:28,960
Country Club Road

736
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,489
and then a tributary of Hickory Creek runs north south

737
00:35:32,489 --> 00:35:35,000
through the property so

738
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,570
as I mentioned earlier currently 15 and a half acres are z

739
00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:38,480
oned in our two that's

740
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,400
about 43% of the property 20.1 six acres are zoned in our

741
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,440
four that makes up about

742
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,389
56% of the property and the proposal is to take all four

743
00:35:47,389 --> 00:35:48,880
parcels to the NR3

744
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,519
district the future land use designation is low residential

745
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:54,199
so that allows for

746
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,780
single-family subdivisions up to four dwelling units per

747
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:58,920
acre in density this

748
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,500
designation encourages new single-family residential

749
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:02,360
development that is

750
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,869
compatible with existing neighborhoods and promotes a

751
00:36:04,869 --> 00:36:06,119
variety of housing styles

752
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:10,849
types and price points some considerations for this rez

753
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:11,599
oning to NR3

754
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,429
is not inconsistent with the surrounding pattern there is

755
00:36:15,429 --> 00:36:16,840
NR3 located across

756
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,119
Country Club Road to the west of this property the uses

757
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:21,400
that are permitted

758
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,170
within the NR3 district which are primarily single-family

759
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:24,920
dwelling units

760
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,710
are consistent with existing development in the area multif

761
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:29,840
amily and duplex uses

762
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,130
would not be permitted in either the current or the

763
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:33,320
proposed zoning districts

764
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,190
and NR3 is also consistent with the future land use

765
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:38,599
designation of low

766
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:45,760
residential so for comparison here's the general

767
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,800
regulations that would apply

768
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,369
subdivisions greater than two acres don't have minimum lot

769
00:36:50,369 --> 00:36:51,239
sizes we go by

770
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,429
a density so NR3 allows up to three and a half dwelling

771
00:36:54,429 --> 00:36:55,400
units per acre in

772
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,000
comparison the NR2 portion would allow two and our four

773
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,719
would allow four

774
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,300
dwelling units per acre you can see that in the other

775
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:04,079
criteria and our three is

776
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,369
an intermediate between the two existing zoning districts

777
00:37:07,369 --> 00:37:08,360
so it kind of provides

778
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,360
a smoother transition in scale and density between the

779
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,360
current in our two

780
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,739
subdivisions that surround this and what's being proposed

781
00:37:16,739 --> 00:37:18,679
currently under the

782
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,110
two existing zoning districts it would allow for up to a

783
00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:22,039
hundred and eleven

784
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,250
lots or dwelling a hundred and eleven dwelling units per

785
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:26,840
acre and the

786
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,619
proposal would allow for a hundred and twenty four lots or

787
00:37:29,619 --> 00:37:30,519
a hundred and twenty

788
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:33,329
four dwelling units per acre the applicant has stated that

789
00:37:33,329 --> 00:37:34,000
their intent

790
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,840
would be to develop between 73 and 78 lots in this area

791
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,679
depending on the final

792
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:44,230
physical constraints that are imposed on the area based on

793
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:45,760
floodplain that exists

794
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,139
as you can see here in blue that's the existing floodplain

795
00:37:49,139 --> 00:37:50,239
that surrounds that

796
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,519
tributary to Hickory Creek and notifications were sent

797
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:55,659
about this we

798
00:37:55,659 --> 00:37:58,360
received two in opposition one in favor one that was

799
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,519
neutral and one that was

800
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:03,639
undecided and staff is recommending approval of the request

801
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:04,679
because of its

802
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,530
compatibility with the surrounding land uses and its

803
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:08,679
consistency with the

804
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:13,320
objectives of the Denton plan 2030 so I'll stand for any

805
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,480
questions any

806
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:22,829
questions for staff of the Commission thank you Haley we

807
00:38:22,829 --> 00:38:26,360
have some cards while

808
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,030
I'm going through the cards I think we have the applicant

809
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:30,119
here who wishes to

810
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:34,760
speak and let him go ahead and call on Lee Allison the

811
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,599
applicant or representing

812
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:41,960
the applicant or some additional information and we'll go

813
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,199
through cards

814
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:48,539
the public and ask you all to come as well just a reminder

815
00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:49,559
since you do

816
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,519
represent the applicant you'll have a total of ten minutes

817
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:53,780
and if the

818
00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:56,610
applicant would like to speak as well they have ten minutes

819
00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:57,679
for a total of 20

820
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,599
between all of you representing the applicant thank you I'm

821
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:02,159
do my best to

822
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,320
keep it to three or four my name is Lee Allison with

823
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,659
Allison engineering group

824
00:39:06,659 --> 00:39:10,280
I'm here representing this project Kent Key could not be

825
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,159
here this evening Lance

826
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,170
Holdorf our project manager from Allison engineering is

827
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:17,300
with me as well we are

828
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,659
for the moment calling this country club estate spending

829
00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:21,880
another name at another

830
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,030
date I'd like to just supplement the staff comments there's

831
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:25,880
some rumors and

832
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,780
concerns that have been going around we heard an indication

833
00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:29,559
that somebody

834
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:31,550
thought there was going to be apartments out there well

835
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:32,719
that's absolutely not the

836
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:38,420
case none of these zoning card categories allows apartments

837
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:38,880
at all

838
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,820
there had been discussion in some of the comments turned in

839
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:42,719
about a drainage

840
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,409
plan well the drainage plan is currently underway we've

841
00:39:45,409 --> 00:39:46,440
already started an

842
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,659
alternative ESA application we had hoped to bring that

843
00:39:49,659 --> 00:39:51,079
through tonight with the

844
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,119
zoning but we've learned we have to have an approved

845
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:54,519
preliminary plan so we're

846
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,989
working on that and that'll be coming to you hopefully in

847
00:39:57,989 --> 00:39:59,159
the near future on the

848
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:03,219
same agenda discussions about traffic of course there'll be

849
00:40:03,219 --> 00:40:04,159
traffic that's why the

850
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,719
city has a traffic master thoroughfare plan this works well

851
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,400
with that I don't

852
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,340
think we're punched punching the density enough to affect

853
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:12,260
that and we'll be

854
00:40:12,260 --> 00:40:15,320
paying impact fees that will help the city implement its

855
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,639
thoroughfare plans

856
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:20,000
one neighbor I believe to the east mentioned some drainage

857
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,079
problems and as I

858
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,880
read through their comments to the city they sound like

859
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,880
some significant

860
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,230
drainage problems however that is upstream or uphill from

861
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:30,980
us so we're not

862
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:33,889
draining on to their property nor contributing to those

863
00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:35,460
problems at the

864
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:38,739
same time if there's any way that we could work along with

865
00:40:38,739 --> 00:40:39,599
the city on our

866
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,960
project to leave the problems we will I think Earl can

867
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,239
testify at a recent

868
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,280
project Meadows Oaks we learned about some far downstream

869
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,320
drainage problems

870
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,789
after we already had approved construction plans and we

871
00:40:51,789 --> 00:40:52,320
went in and

872
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,179
redid the street grading on those to avoid that so we're

873
00:40:55,179 --> 00:40:56,199
ready to work with

874
00:40:56,199 --> 00:41:00,079
those kind of things as that happens the NR2 zoning some

875
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,199
concern well there's

876
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:04,239
actually a very awkward zoning situation here as you've

877
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,559
seen earlier we got an

878
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:10,199
NR4 in the tan color and NR2 in the yellow the NR4 allows

879
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:11,039
four homes per

880
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:15,280
acre and the NR2 allows two homes per acre it's kind of a

881
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,280
weird split with

882
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,500
this being over a two acre site we're not subject to the

883
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:21,300
minimum lot

884
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,250
dimensions so we could squeeze all the lots in or somebody

885
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:25,320
can squeeze all the

886
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:32,750
lots in as they intend to oops I'm going wrong now I'm

887
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:35,760
really in trouble

888
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,719
some have already jumped to our concept plan we mentioned

889
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,500
that I know the

890
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,630
concept plans are not part of the zoning consideration but

891
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:49,280
our initial concepts

892
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,920
if we reclaim the part of the ESA would give us about 73

893
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,679
lots we've put a

894
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:59,449
maximum of 78 Kent wants to have 16,000 square foot lots

895
00:41:59,449 --> 00:42:00,980
minimum to the east of

896
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:04,769
the drainage area and about 12,000 square foot lots minimum

897
00:42:04,769 --> 00:42:05,400
to west which

898
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,429
is much greater than what the code requires again as we go

899
00:42:09,429 --> 00:42:10,639
through the ESA

900
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,199
and the preliminary plan we'll get to that this is an

901
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:14,679
aerial photograph of the

902
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:18,449
site one thing I want to point out here primarily is all

903
00:42:18,449 --> 00:42:19,679
the houses that front

904
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,769
Country Club Road the intention is to move those off and

905
00:42:22,769 --> 00:42:23,719
get rid of those

906
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,619
driveways onto Country Club Road which I think would be an

907
00:42:26,619 --> 00:42:27,559
enhancement to the

908
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:33,760
traffic situation let me go back me and this mouse are not

909
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,920
getting a question

910
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,360
Commissioner Beck thank you chair so are you talking about

911
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,079
the houses on the

912
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,880
property that face Country Club Road all those what are you

913
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:44,980
gonna what you're

914
00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:49,360
moving those he's got a development out in the county

915
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,840
somewhere I'm sorry I don't

916
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,340
know the locating I can't disclose it I don't know it it's

917
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:54,559
okay but he plans to

918
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,679
move those they're still structurally in pretty good

919
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:58,400
condition but they don't fit

920
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,940
in with the neighborhood that he's wanting to develop plus

921
00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:01,960
all the accesses

922
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:08,230
to Country Club Road and the fact that they all would need

923
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:09,800
individual lots and

924
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,320
it just wouldn't work well yeah well that's good news

925
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,440
thanks Lee and why in the world can I

926
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,909
I'm sorry I may need all ten minutes just to work these

927
00:43:25,909 --> 00:43:26,559
power points

928
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,320
all right it worked they let me turn on and close all the

929
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,320
kid as long as I close

930
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:39,320
without saving okay all right there we go and there was the

931
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:39,760
concept

932
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,179
planet this one we're showing a access from I'll try and

933
00:43:43,179 --> 00:43:44,519
use the pointer to the

934
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:49,159
east on metal and road to come through and across across

935
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,000
the ESA up here

936
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,079
because it's developed floodplain and then come back out to

937
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,960
Country Club Road

938
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,150
we've discussed with staff previously and access to the

939
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:02,440
south however with the

940
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,400
master thoroughfare plan and the arterial coming across

941
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,280
there were some

942
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,980
issues with it but that's not a closed discussion at this

943
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:15,280
time and that shows

944
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,469
the extent of the ESA and we're preparing an alternate ESA

945
00:44:18,469 --> 00:44:19,159
for to be able

946
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,059
to bring that in but not get in not get into the stream

947
00:44:22,059 --> 00:44:23,320
buffer ESA just to be

948
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,699
able to narrow the the floodplain ESA and recover some

949
00:44:27,699 --> 00:44:29,239
property there that's

950
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,800
really just primarily mowed grass we're staying outside of

951
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,679
the tree line and

952
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:37,599
outside of the floodplain ESA I mean stream buffer ESA but

953
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:38,679
again that's for

954
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:40,960
further consideration and not for consideration tonight

955
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,599
just give you an

956
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,639
idea where we're headed I'll pause and be available for

957
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:46,920
questions at this time if

958
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,769
you have any oh I did want to bring up I'm sorry because it

959
00:44:49,769 --> 00:44:50,280
wasn't in my

960
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,969
slides the zoning ordinance I think it's always good to

961
00:44:54,969 --> 00:44:55,760
look at it

962
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,380
comprehensively we're real quick to look at density like

963
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:00,519
how many homes each one

964
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:05,159
allows but at the same time nr3 has a maximum coverage of

965
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,440
50% while nr4 has a

966
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,750
maximum coverage of 60% and nr2 of course has maximum of 30

967
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:14,039
% but you can

968
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:19,539
still put a 3,000 square foot home in nr2 on a 9,000 square

969
00:45:19,539 --> 00:45:21,159
foot lot as long as

970
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,590
you don't have more than X number lot so even without

971
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:24,679
recovering the flood

972
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,579
planes so you could develop in accordance with these

973
00:45:27,579 --> 00:45:29,519
existing zones and

974
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,619
not get into them but you'd end up with much smaller lots

975
00:45:31,619 --> 00:45:32,599
and much smaller homes

976
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,519
and a very different appearance than if we can keep the

977
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:38,159
spread out a large lot

978
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,440
appearance that Kent is trying to carry through and

979
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,679
transition down to the

980
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:46,590
Country Club Road now I'll stop wait for any questions or

981
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:47,039
comments

982
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:53,280
Commissioner back thank you chair you had mentioned in our

983
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,760
background

984
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,400
information we mentioned that you intend to utilize area

985
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,360
around the creek as

986
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,590
urban green space within the neighborhood so could you and

987
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:03,960
I know

988
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,690
we're dealing with a rezoning issue here but we've touched

989
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:07,480
on the development

990
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,280
aspect that can you just detail are we looking at maybe a

991
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,280
park or just leaving

992
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,050
it open as pure green space basically according to the didn

993
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:15,960
't development code

994
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,239
this area in here would be its own individual lot that

995
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,559
would be a green

996
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:26,010
space it would be also for drainage purposes but it could

997
00:46:26,010 --> 00:46:27,599
have walking track

998
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,610
bike paths through there if it should be continued through

999
00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:32,960
other neighborhoods

1000
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000
that's a potential if not it's still a green space for this

1001
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,920
area to utilize

1002
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:43,039
individually thank you Commissioner Roselle thank you chair

1003
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:44,320
thank you mr.

1004
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,559
Allison for your presentation just so I'm I'm understanding

1005
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,119
you correctly this

1006
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:54,840
project could go forward with the split zoning the the

1007
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,920
reason y'all have chosen

1008
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,610
to come for rezoning is so that the east part of the

1009
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:02,960
property would not be forced

1010
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,539
to be developed denser you want a less dense development on

1011
00:47:08,539 --> 00:47:09,639
the east side am I

1012
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,250
understanding that correctly that is correct I'm getting a

1013
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:12,960
little better at

1014
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,969
this basically within the area that's colored tan we'd have

1015
00:47:16,969 --> 00:47:17,679
to put four lots

1016
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:20,179
per acre to get our density out of that with the stream

1017
00:47:20,179 --> 00:47:21,440
buffer that goes through

1018
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,019
there and you can kind of see where the creek falls that

1019
00:47:24,019 --> 00:47:25,920
means let's say there's

1020
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,219
20 acres we could get 80 homes in there but we'd be putting

1021
00:47:29,219 --> 00:47:30,760
all 80 homes in this

1022
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,440
area right here I don't know that would even get 80 but you

1023
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,320
know we could pack

1024
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,840
it in on five six thousand square foot lots on in our four

1025
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,599
thank you and we're

1026
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:47,239
not wanting to do that somebody could not I'll ask a

1027
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,719
question at this point

1028
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,079
that property is already zoned in our four yes you all are

1029
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:53,920
basically wanting

1030
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,929
to rezone the whole entire property to in our three yes I

1031
00:47:57,929 --> 00:47:59,519
think in our four

1032
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:03,980
allows in certain instances that you can have duplexes in

1033
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:05,400
the site I'm

1034
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,559
understanding correctly so currently the way it's on

1035
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:11,000
somebody could come in and

1036
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,010
and do duplexes on the in our four part if they wanted to

1037
00:48:15,010 --> 00:48:16,159
under in our three

1038
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:21,269
that's not permitted has to be single-family home so it's

1039
00:48:21,269 --> 00:48:22,559
almost if

1040
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,480
you're a neighbor to the east and if you're concerned about

1041
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,679
the development I

1042
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,219
would see that the in our three rezone would probably be an

1043
00:48:31,219 --> 00:48:32,519
enhancement and more

1044
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,030
of a protection against the possibility what could go in

1045
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:35,920
there the way it's

1046
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,610
owned as is that first statement or that's a very fair

1047
00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:45,199
statement even though

1048
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,800
I know people are always concerned about things being

1049
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,440
developed it is already

1050
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,139
zoned in our four and actually you're down zoning that

1051
00:48:53,139 --> 00:48:54,360
portion of the property

1052
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,380
and asking for an up zoning on the front part from in our

1053
00:48:57,380 --> 00:48:58,960
two to our three so

1054
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,679
you're going down against existing neighborhood and going

1055
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:02,239
up against

1056
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:09,239
country club road okay any other questions for the

1057
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,639
applicants

1058
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:16,039
representative okay thank you Lee appreciate it and I'm not

1059
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:16,519
going anywhere

1060
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,760
so something comes up

1061
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:29,320
no did you want to okay I have sir if if you want to if you

1062
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,840
want to speak you can

1063
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,010
fill out a card but you can't address the individuals at

1064
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:41,559
the podium okay sure

1065
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:45,579
you want to have any come back on it's probably a question

1066
00:49:45,579 --> 00:49:47,199
for okay Earl would

1067
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:51,639
you come up and then we've got a question

1068
00:49:53,159 --> 00:50:03,090
so my question is about traffic routing and the disarray

1069
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:05,840
that country club road

1070
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,340
currently is in and I understand that the applicant was

1071
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:10,679
saying that removal

1072
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,699
of those homes might reduce driveways access to country

1073
00:50:13,699 --> 00:50:14,639
club but we're also

1074
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,769
introducing a lot of homes directly on the country club did

1075
00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:20,559
the city look at

1076
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:25,210
what will happen to the neighborhood to the east because I

1077
00:50:25,210 --> 00:50:26,760
live in the area and

1078
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,800
my first thought is individuals that want to get down to 24

1079
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,679
99 and Geyer they

1080
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:37,320
could bypass country club Ryan Hobson and all that mess by

1081
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:37,960
just going through

1082
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,599
the existing neighborhood was that looked at and studied

1083
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:42,599
and if so what was

1084
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:50,639
the outcome it's really hard to tell because you know

1085
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,239
traffic depending on

1086
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,570
where you're going you can assume a split but that's that's

1087
00:50:56,570 --> 00:50:57,239
what it is it's

1088
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,760
just an assumption you could head east which then head

1089
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,719
south to get you to I

1090
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,710
believe it's Ryan right and that can get you either way

1091
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:05,840
either back to country

1092
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,159
club or to Teasley or you could head north on country club

1093
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:12,579
to get the 377

1094
00:51:12,579 --> 00:51:16,530
textile is currently going to begin construction on 377

1095
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:18,480
from the highway all

1096
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,699
the way down just south of country club road they're gonna

1097
00:51:21,699 --> 00:51:22,360
widen that to six

1098
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,360
lanes and they're also gonna do some improvements on FM 18

1099
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,239
30 which is

1100
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,989
country club road from Fort Worth Drive to Hobson they're

1101
00:51:30,989 --> 00:51:32,199
gonna widen that the

1102
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,860
four lanes just to improve that intersection you know

1103
00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:37,159
country club road

1104
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:41,869
is FM 1830 is a textile roadway the city has in the past

1105
00:51:41,869 --> 00:51:43,400
applied for signal at

1106
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,570
Hobson and country club road and was denied by textile

1107
00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:47,480
because of its

1108
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,869
vicinity to the intersection with the US 377 we've also

1109
00:51:52,869 --> 00:51:55,000
performed weren't a

1110
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:02,119
signal weren't analysis over at FM 1830 and Ryan as well as

1111
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,800
1830 and Hickory Creek

1112
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,800
and they both did not meet text odds warrants but as soon

1113
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,079
as it as soon as

1114
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,760
it does then we'll begin design and construction of those

1115
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,719
are those warrants

1116
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,489
explicitly detailed or we all applying trying to figure out

1117
00:52:20,489 --> 00:52:21,840
what those warrants

1118
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,219
were how we know we're in rat that threshold text dot has

1119
00:52:26,219 --> 00:52:26,679
certain

1120
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:30,239
thresholds they have eight warrants that we have to meet

1121
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,559
and and we did not meet

1122
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:38,110
those and I know that text dots working in 2017 for the 377

1123
00:52:38,110 --> 00:52:40,239
and also that

1124
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,159
Teasley Lillian Miller is what's the do you know the

1125
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,800
schedule on 1830 and or

1126
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,269
Ryan is there any schedule for improvements on those two

1127
00:52:52,269 --> 00:52:53,360
roads there

1128
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,860
are no planned improvements pass Hobson for country club at

1129
00:52:56,860 --> 00:53:00,920
this time but 1830

1130
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,800
from Hobson to 377 slated for February 2017 Teasley is I

1131
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,679
believe it's June of

1132
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:13,440
next year okay thank you Commissioner Beck

1133
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,719
as well no no I have a question for Earl before we move on

1134
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,480
I was going to offer

1135
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,110
something to Commissioner Roeville that might alleviate the

1136
00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:23,079
concern because I I

1137
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,900
kind of looked at that too how metal land comes in and

1138
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,079
connects country club to

1139
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:32,530
areas East but probably the only people that would use that

1140
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:33,840
would be the people

1141
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,010
in the new development because it does some zigging and sag

1142
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:37,440
ging and if you

1143
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,820
wanted to get a place quick to the issue I think more

1144
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:42,559
likely take Hobson or Ryan

1145
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:46,050
Roe but that's just an opinion of course I did have a

1146
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:47,719
follow-up question for how

1147
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,480
long ago was a study done on the warrants for Ryan last

1148
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,400
year last year

1149
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,090
is that so that did they take into consideration all the

1150
00:53:56,090 --> 00:53:57,360
new developments

1151
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,190
that are going in currently on Ryan or is it just a actual

1152
00:54:00,190 --> 00:54:01,000
traffic it was

1153
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,269
actually on the ground counts okay and that's what text dot

1154
00:54:04,269 --> 00:54:05,340
will they will not

1155
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:08,920
permit a signal unless it's based on actual on the ground

1156
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,519
counts okay so we

1157
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,750
know warrants so when those subdivisions come in the city

1158
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:15,000
can go back and do a

1159
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,880
new train account that's correct with all the new traffic

1160
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:18,559
that will be on there

1161
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,000
and see now if those intersections would meet the criteria

1162
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,320
possibly for a signal

1163
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,719
but not until the homes are built the people are in it and

1164
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,960
the traffic is even

1165
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,079
worse than it is now and I think we performed a count

1166
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,440
before last year

1167
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,389
sometime and it actually did me more and then we went back

1168
00:54:36,389 --> 00:54:37,119
last year to

1169
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,579
re-perform those counts at those intersections and it didn

1170
00:54:40,579 --> 00:54:41,360
't meet counts

1171
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,000
I think our traffic department thought there was maybe some

1172
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,679
redirectional

1173
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:54,480
traffic because of 2499 possibly or I guess 2499 to

1174
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,920
completion 2499 was done

1175
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,559
recently so okay this may be one more level of detail do

1176
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:01,239
they do the count

1177
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,800
just for the the day or is it during certain times of the

1178
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,199
day how precise is

1179
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:09,320
account because it's a 24-hour count again text out has

1180
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,800
eight warrants we have

1181
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,150
to meet the peak our warrant we have to meet a four-hour

1182
00:55:13,150 --> 00:55:14,159
warrants and an eight

1183
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:17,829
hour one okay I know during depending on when what time you

1184
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:18,599
're getting there

1185
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,280
around school time and work time getting out of those

1186
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,239
neighborhoods the traffic

1187
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:29,630
backup on Ryan and Hobson is extensive during those times

1188
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:30,519
later middle of the

1189
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:33,039
morning it's not as bad I don't know if there's a

1190
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:34,559
particular time that they do

1191
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,880
or it's not time sensitive it's not time sensitive okay

1192
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:38,800
great thank you any other

1193
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,300
questions for Earl or another staff member actually kind of

1194
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:44,920
a comment

1195
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,119
bringing in some history on cut-through traffic okay sure

1196
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,309
Commissioner Taylor thank you chair I was just going to say

1197
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:54,159
the the master the

1198
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:58,800
mobility master plan since the at least the late 1980s had

1199
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,699
had El Paseo as an

1200
00:56:00,699 --> 00:56:06,210
arterial connecting from 1832 Teasley and that had not been

1201
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:08,199
a popular idea and

1202
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:13,460
it finally got removed from from that role about four years

1203
00:56:13,460 --> 00:56:15,639
ago or so so in

1204
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,449
theory you know on our 20 year ago plan El Paseo would have

1205
00:56:20,449 --> 00:56:21,159
come through

1206
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:24,010
probably just on the very south side of this property been

1207
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:25,960
a major arterial all

1208
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,789
the way across to Teasley and on both ends there were

1209
00:56:29,789 --> 00:56:31,320
people fighting it so it

1210
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,730
won't connect and that does prevent this from being a good

1211
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:34,679
way to get to Teasley

1212
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,929
because if you do manage to get over into the neighborhood

1213
00:56:37,929 --> 00:56:39,639
on El Paseo you

1214
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,039
can't really you can get to Montecito but you can't really

1215
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:42,679
get out of that

1216
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,849
neighborhood so you know it does does really limit the

1217
00:56:45,849 --> 00:56:47,320
amount of cross traffic

1218
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,599
here as opposed to if El Paseo did connect on the Teasley

1219
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:52,559
side you know this

1220
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,789
would any outlet on this side would immediately become a

1221
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:59,599
highway thank you

1222
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:06,920
Commissioner Ellis thank you chair Earl I'm sorry I just

1223
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,360
want to try to

1224
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,409
understand what you said earlier as far as meeting the war

1225
00:57:11,409 --> 00:57:12,679
rants you said we met

1226
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:16,880
some but not all can you elaborate on that at all no no

1227
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,559
what I've met was we

1228
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,519
performed a warrant analysis prior to last year and it

1229
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:25,440
actually did meet

1230
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,190
warrants but there were some questions on the numbers and

1231
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:30,480
accounts so we read

1232
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,460
that we performed those numbers just last year and

1233
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:35,400
discovered that it didn't

1234
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,250
meet warrants okay and do and we don't have a plan to do it

1235
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:43,079
again we don't

1236
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:46,300
think there's gonna be a significant change from and within

1237
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:47,559
12 months so no

1238
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,920
plan in place it right now we can I mean whenever we want

1239
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,360
to it's just there

1240
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,929
hasn't been a significant amount of development since the

1241
00:57:55,929 --> 00:57:57,519
last 12 months to

1242
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:04,250
to warrant additional traffic okay thanks okay any other

1243
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:05,480
questions for

1244
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,909
staff or I'm going to start calling some of our folks that

1245
00:58:08,909 --> 00:58:10,079
have requested to

1246
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:18,800
speak first card I have is from Donna Zelisco McLaughlin I

1247
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,719
think 3300 Belmont

1248
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:26,960
Street and she is in opposition if you would please come

1249
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,800
okay if you'll give us

1250
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:34,820
your name and address and then that's okay okay Donna Zel

1251
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:36,440
isco McLaughlin live

1252
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:43,329
at 3300 Belmont Street in Denton I'm also speaking for Rick

1253
00:58:43,329 --> 00:58:44,099
and Kelly

1254
00:58:44,099 --> 00:58:48,900
Wisenhunt there are new neighbors at the 3306 Belmont

1255
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:50,880
Street house they did not

1256
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:58,010
receive a notification of this hearing and they are also in

1257
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:59,760
opposition I'm

1258
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,440
going to read my notes please okay we're all opposed to

1259
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,239
this proposal for the

1260
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:10,010
zoning change for the following reasons one changes in the

1261
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:11,519
landscape environment

1262
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:14,929
and the property generally located on the east side of

1263
00:59:14,929 --> 00:59:16,320
Country Club Road and

1264
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,550
directly west of our property to increase density of the

1265
00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:21,760
land will enhance

1266
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,400
the probability of continued flooding of our property we

1267
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,880
moved to this property

1268
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,650
in June 2007 our house was the fourth house built on this

1269
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:34,400
side of Belmont our

1270
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,650
property experienced flooding at the time it was built in

1271
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:38,599
doing two other

1272
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:42,519
rainy storms over the years since then the house south to

1273
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:44,639
ours which is the 3306

1274
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:48,679
Belmont Street was built two years before ours had

1275
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:50,920
experienced water problems

1276
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,570
prior to our house being built and also continues to have

1277
00:59:54,570 --> 00:59:56,239
backyard water issues

1278
00:59:56,239 --> 01:00:01,389
during extreme rains we have built two French drains and a

1279
01:00:01,389 --> 01:00:02,519
major retaining wall

1280
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:05,880
on the south side of our house in order to control water

1281
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,320
damage to our property

1282
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,599
and to the 3306 Belmont property on the north side of our

1283
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:12,599
house in order to

1284
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,750
allow water to flow freely to the street we have not

1285
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:17,519
landscaped beyond putting in

1286
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,250
a lawn the extraordinary amount of water on the north side

1287
01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:22,119
of the house is the

1288
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,079
result of higher elevations of the developed properties

1289
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:25,880
north of us and

1290
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,000
from water that flows west of us water continues to drain

1291
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,519
to Belmont Street on

1292
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,610
the north side of our house even on days after it stops

1293
01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:38,320
raining and all you have

1294
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,559
to do is come and you will see the water coming underneath

1295
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:42,800
the front of our lawn

1296
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:49,320
going into Belmont Street any environmental or watershed

1297
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,079
protection

1298
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:54,090
protector team should be able to identify this problem area

1299
01:00:54,090 --> 01:00:54,960
from Belmont

1300
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,320
Street also if you came during the storm you would see from

1301
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,800
Belmont from the

1302
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,469
north side of Belmont Street where the cul-de-sac is it g

1303
01:01:04,469 --> 01:01:06,599
ushes down so

1304
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:11,579
forcefully during an extreme rain that the drain draining

1305
01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:13,320
cannot empty out from

1306
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,449
the French drains because the power from coming down Bel

1307
01:01:17,449 --> 01:01:19,840
mont is strong water has

1308
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,489
flooded our yard and has reached our back door beside the

1309
01:01:23,489 --> 01:01:24,559
back door of the

1310
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:28,570
house through our patio despite efforts to direct water

1311
01:01:28,570 --> 01:01:29,559
away from the house

1312
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:33,940
there is a distance of approximately 40 feet from our west

1313
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:35,079
boundary where a

1314
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:39,090
grove of trees also provides a barrier to any kind of water

1315
01:01:39,090 --> 01:01:40,960
flow since Belmont

1316
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,070
Street has water gushing from the cul-de-sac which is the

1317
01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:44,960
north end and

1318
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,440
because the north end of the street is greatly elevated the

1319
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,519
backyards in the

1320
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:53,719
middle of the estates of El Paso decision that's the homes

1321
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:54,719
that are

1322
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:58,210
between Belmont and Preetness which is that whole

1323
01:01:58,210 --> 01:01:59,960
neighborhood of the new

1324
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:03,710
development also have had flooding issues due to the

1325
01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:05,239
natural flow of water

1326
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:09,250
in the area when it's extremely rainy the same time when

1327
01:02:09,250 --> 01:02:10,440
there was flooding in

1328
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,960
the downtown Denton area which is why all the work was

1329
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,639
being done in downtown is

1330
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:19,420
when we were aware that the neighbors across the street

1331
01:02:19,420 --> 01:02:20,800
between Belmont and

1332
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,710
Preetness had backyard flooding issues our neighborhood is

1333
01:02:25,710 --> 01:02:27,039
zoned in our two

1334
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,510
the neighborhood occupies the land that the original ranch

1335
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:31,519
occupied when it

1336
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:35,300
rains a lot funny became a real issue is what we were told

1337
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:36,559
by the developer

1338
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,920
decreasing the available natural environment for runoff

1339
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:41,719
that is the

1340
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:45,469
rainfall that is not absorbed by the soil will aggravate

1341
01:02:45,469 --> 01:02:46,360
the existing

1342
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,019
flooding problem don't matter how many houses if it's

1343
01:02:50,019 --> 01:02:51,800
cemented over we're going

1344
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,960
to have worth flooding problems do not change the zoning to

1345
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,239
increase density in

1346
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,360
an area adjacent to ours and therefore decrease the

1347
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,159
property value of the

1348
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:06,809
existing homes on our street removal of any of the trees

1349
01:03:06,809 --> 01:03:08,559
and our for area will

1350
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:12,489
matter your four minutes is up okay thank you for your

1351
01:03:12,489 --> 01:03:14,440
comments I have a

1352
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,719
couple questions for you Commissioner Rozelle this first

1353
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:19,639
thank you chair

1354
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,780
community Commissioner back next mr. Glockland I appreciate

1355
01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:23,679
you you coming and

1356
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:27,119
speaking tonight my mother actually lived on the east side

1357
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:28,119
of Belmont and

1358
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:31,070
I'm very familiar with the rain waters that come from the

1359
01:03:31,070 --> 01:03:32,280
north down everyone's

1360
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,940
backyard in the center she had a great center fence to

1361
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:37,199
allow the water to flow

1362
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:42,710
through it's my understanding that that water for the for

1363
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:43,679
those houses including

1364
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:48,500
your own is from the high elevation of the property to the

1365
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:50,119
north and that the

1366
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:53,570
property to the west is actually a lower elevation is that

1367
01:03:53,570 --> 01:03:55,000
correct not front if

1368
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,409
you come and look at the side the north side of our house

1369
01:03:58,409 --> 01:03:59,880
between our home and

1370
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:05,150
the hills home we were told okay we will originally wanted

1371
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:06,760
to put a driveway

1372
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,230
there we were told we could not because of how the water

1373
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:12,360
was coming from the

1374
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,630
lot that wants to be rezoned okay and if in this is where

1375
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:18,760
we're getting water on

1376
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:25,920
that side of the house even after it stops raining and and

1377
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,480
it did yes if

1378
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,840
there's an elevation on the north but there also is it's

1379
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,400
not as extreme as the

1380
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:39,400
one on the north but waters coming from west from west

1381
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,639
because our fence line

1382
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:46,280
even though we've built up the backyard to the fence line

1383
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,719
it's still the only

1384
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:51,920
thing to do is walk out there and how soggy marshy it is

1385
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,159
after it rains and

1386
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:58,670
then another point not question is the area to the west is

1387
01:04:58,670 --> 01:05:00,199
actually trying to

1388
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,699
rezone to a less dense area this evening they're not trying

1389
01:05:03,699 --> 01:05:04,559
to increase density

1390
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:07,559
behind your property I'm not sure if you're aware of that

1391
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:09,199
but the the request

1392
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:14,440
of the applicant yes that was my next statement you

1393
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,320
mentioned that you didn't

1394
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,280
want them to increase zoning that isn't happening tonight

1395
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,000
that's not even

1396
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,429
proposed what's proposed is to decrease the density behind

1397
01:05:23,429 --> 01:05:24,760
your home they want

1398
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,530
to put more development back there and I'm concerned that

1399
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:30,199
the fact we're gonna

1400
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:35,260
lose the land that's on the branch that's got the growth

1401
01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:36,960
the growth of trees

1402
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:43,619
and the open land that absorbs water that if it's you know

1403
01:05:43,619 --> 01:05:45,480
it has residences

1404
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,780
and driveways and concrete it's the absolute absorption of

1405
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:51,320
the water will

1406
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,639
make our situation worse I understand thank you

1407
01:05:55,639 --> 01:06:00,829
Commissioner Beck thank you chair thank you miss let's go

1408
01:06:00,829 --> 01:06:04,119
and clothland let me

1409
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:07,869
kind of help me kind of wrap my head around all this now as

1410
01:06:07,869 --> 01:06:08,559
Commissioner

1411
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:12,320
Rossell pointed out you really are getting less density

1412
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,400
behind you you

1413
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,119
mentioned yes but there's still gonna be development in

1414
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:17,519
there which there will

1415
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:19,920
when y'all bought that house did you ever think there wasn

1416
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:20,559
't gonna be any

1417
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:24,159
development in there no okay we were told that Meadowlands

1418
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:25,159
was probably gonna

1419
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,980
be extended between where it is now to Country Club and we

1420
01:06:29,980 --> 01:06:31,239
went back there and

1421
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:35,619
we looked at the homes that are in that little a long

1422
01:06:35,619 --> 01:06:37,159
Country Club room no a

1423
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:40,690
long Country Club and you go how do you have to get to that

1424
01:06:40,690 --> 01:06:41,840
ranch it looks more

1425
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,309
like somebody's driveway yeah okay and we went back in

1426
01:06:45,309 --> 01:06:46,679
there and checked it all

1427
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:50,469
out okay so we were aware that they were probably gonna be

1428
01:06:50,469 --> 01:06:51,679
changed so inevitably

1429
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:54,800
the development is gonna happen in and really there's not

1430
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:55,800
much we can do about

1431
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,860
that if we leave it like it is though and a developer does

1432
01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:00,599
come in then they

1433
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:05,599
will build in more density directly behind you now mr.

1434
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,000
Allison explained

1435
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,110
that drainage shouldn't be an issue with their development

1436
01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:11,239
he could elaborate on

1437
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,849
it if he wants to but I would think the fact that you're

1438
01:07:14,849 --> 01:07:16,360
experiencing heavy

1439
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,400
flooding right now you know naturally when a development

1440
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,079
comes in doesn't

1441
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:24,019
automatically mean the drainage will increase it could

1442
01:07:24,019 --> 01:07:25,199
improve because they

1443
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:29,420
have to meet certain criteria to to ensure that wherever

1444
01:07:29,420 --> 01:07:30,440
they develop it

1445
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,530
doesn't drain on to somebody else's property and again I

1446
01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:33,360
understand that is

1447
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,719
a perfect world scenario but nonetheless it could actually

1448
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:38,239
get better than worse

1449
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:42,460
I'm aware of that but I just believe that I need to have my

1450
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:43,440
say and the

1451
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,860
record concerns are because I'm aware here in Denton where

1452
01:07:47,860 --> 01:07:49,000
there's been other

1453
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,840
development that issues have come up granted where there

1454
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,659
weren't issues okay

1455
01:07:54,659 --> 01:08:02,760
very good thank you then thank you next speaker is Robert

1456
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,280
McLaughlin at 3300

1457
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:09,690
Belmont to be followed by Diane Garcia as she's coming the

1458
01:08:09,690 --> 01:08:11,440
microphone this is a

1459
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,519
public hearing so anyone that would like to speak on this

1460
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:15,760
item please fill out a

1461
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,060
blue card if you do not want to speak you can fill out a

1462
01:08:19,060 --> 01:08:20,239
white card but we

1463
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:24,520
will need a card for anyone who does wish to speak you'll

1464
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:25,340
have can I bring

1465
01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:29,720
this path I don't know if we have that capability tonight

1466
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:30,680
because we're not in

1467
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:35,479
our normal it was up a moment ago okay great in the slide

1468
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:36,680
packet great thank

1469
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,510
you my mistake will get back to that slide I thought you

1470
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:40,119
had something you

1471
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:43,479
wanted to put on the overhead camera

1472
01:08:50,239 --> 01:09:19,720
, okay. I see okay. Okay.

1473
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:27,479
I'm Robert McLaughlin under 3300 Belmont Street. I wanted

1474
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,720
to read a statement

1475
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:34,510
that's included in your packet of information here that

1476
01:09:34,510 --> 01:09:35,979
said the purpose

1477
01:09:35,979 --> 01:09:38,850
of the neighborhood residential zoning districts is to

1478
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:40,119
preserve or protect the

1479
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:42,979
existing neighborhoods and to ensure that any new

1480
01:09:42,979 --> 01:09:44,640
development is compatible

1481
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:50,149
with the existing land uses patterns and design standards.

1482
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:52,199
I would contend that we

1483
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:57,569
haven't met that compatibility requirement because the vast

1484
01:09:57,569 --> 01:09:58,600
majority it

1485
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,489
doesn't show on this map well but the vast majority of the

1486
01:10:02,489 --> 01:10:03,960
existing neighborhood

1487
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,869
is the Forest Ridge-El Pasayo area which incorporates

1488
01:10:07,869 --> 01:10:09,699
several hundred acres to

1489
01:10:09,699 --> 01:10:15,090
the east and city staff has identified the small Bend Creek

1490
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:17,359
Estates area it's

1491
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:22,220
the NR3 area as a cross country club as the area that we're

1492
01:10:22,220 --> 01:10:23,960
comparing to so I'm

1493
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,750
kind of like we've got a tree but we're comparing it to a

1494
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:30,399
single leaf the El

1495
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:35,569
Pasayo area is much much more established and I think is

1496
01:10:35,569 --> 01:10:36,640
the area that

1497
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,279
we should be comparing to so my point would be I recognize

1498
01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:42,399
the fact that the

1499
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:45,800
NR3 development or designation is somewhat of an

1500
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,399
improvement from NR4 but

1501
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:51,199
I feel like you haven't asked them to go quite far enough

1502
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:52,600
if you want to preserve

1503
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,159
the El Pasayo Forest Ridge designation and how it's all put

1504
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:57,760
together this lot

1505
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:03,439
should be all NR2 and then as it's developed it was going

1506
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:04,159
to be much more

1507
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:08,270
compatible with what we have there I think you would have

1508
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:09,760
somewhere between

1509
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,640
65 and 70 homes I understand from mr. Allison's

1510
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:15,800
presentation that they're

1511
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:24,119
producing 78 73 to 78 what worries me is if if mr. Loughlin

1512
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:24,760
could we get you to

1513
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,609
speak in the microphone because they're having a hard time

1514
01:11:26,609 --> 01:11:27,279
hearing you in the

1515
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:31,920
back we record the meetings thank you quite all right my

1516
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,680
concern with the NR

1517
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,520
3 designation is once that's granted is there anything

1518
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,760
which would impede or

1519
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,199
prohibit the maximum development of that land which would

1520
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:47,000
be up to about 125

1521
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:53,359
homes okay I didn't think so so my request would be that I

1522
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:54,399
think that in our

1523
01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:58,560
two designation is much more appropriate to this property

1524
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,199
and that I would urge

1525
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,529
you to reject this request from the developer and ask them

1526
01:12:04,529 --> 01:12:05,479
to represent it

1527
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:10,250
as an NR 2 and to preserve the forest region El Pasayo area

1528
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:11,439
thank you

1529
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,800
Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I appreciate your

1530
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,920
feedback I currently live

1531
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,300
in the NR 2 that you're speaking of and I appreciate the

1532
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:22,159
considerations that

1533
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,520
that you're making mr. Allison and his presentation said

1534
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,880
that to the east of

1535
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:33,000
the floodplain area there are going to be lots of 16,000

1536
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,920
square feet which is

1537
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:42,600
0.36 acres which is the roughly the current size of the

1538
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,279
lots to the west of

1539
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:49,600
Belmont and then certainly into forest rich proper 0.36

1540
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,960
acres is on par with

1541
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,279
the forest search development correct we're close but not

1542
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:57,800
quite there in the

1543
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,640
sense of yeah there are parts of forest ridge that do have

1544
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:02,600
some smaller lots

1545
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:09,560
than the 0.5 acres but an NR 2 would give us the larger lot

1546
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,199
size less coverage

1547
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,770
on the lot and we would be more compatible with several

1548
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:15,760
hundred homes

1549
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:21,479
which exists there I understand that the NR 2 though the

1550
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:22,840
actual property wouldn't

1551
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:27,270
be half acres when you actually consider roads drainages

1552
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:28,880
coverage so the density

1553
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,699
for foresters although in our two I don't know if there's

1554
01:13:31,699 --> 01:13:32,399
any half acre

1555
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:36,779
properties in forest rich proper you know old phase one

1556
01:13:36,779 --> 01:13:38,439
phase two of forest

1557
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,819
ridge they're going to be less than half acre lots so even

1558
01:13:41,819 --> 01:13:42,720
if we had in our two

1559
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,260
designation which you might be proposing they wouldn't

1560
01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:47,840
achieve a half acre

1561
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,850
designation for clarification all right I don't know if

1562
01:13:51,850 --> 01:13:52,840
that would be a

1563
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,960
possibility well I can only speak for my home and

1564
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,119
certainly partly from my neighbors but we have half acre

1565
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:01,680
lots there along Belmont

1566
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:06,520
Street so we knew that this area would be developed as you

1567
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:07,800
had pointed out that

1568
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,680
was no surprise but we had always been led to believe that

1569
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:13,640
when it was developed

1570
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,930
it would be a continuation of the Alpacao development and

1571
01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:18,600
would be

1572
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:24,789
developed in the same residential zoning capacity or I'm

1573
01:14:24,789 --> 01:14:25,960
not sure which one I'm

1574
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,609
looking for there and so the NR 3 is a bit of a surprise

1575
01:14:30,609 --> 01:14:31,640
and kind of a rude

1576
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,539
surprise it's not what we were expecting to have happen

1577
01:14:34,539 --> 01:14:38,399
sure thank you any other

1578
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:44,310
questions thank you sir appreciate your comments next

1579
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:46,239
speaker I have is Diane

1580
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:52,840
Garcia speaking in opposition to be followed by Paul Wadley

1581
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:59,159
hello I'm Diane

1582
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:05,039
Garcia I live at 120 West Alpacao which goes is the

1583
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:06,479
intersection with Belmont

1584
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,739
and I am quite concerned about this proposal I'm concerned

1585
01:15:11,739 --> 01:15:12,840
about the traffic

1586
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:17,020
flow and the fact that people wishing to make the

1587
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:19,119
connection with Meadowlands is

1588
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:21,539
going to come are going to come assuming they'll help us

1589
01:15:21,539 --> 01:15:24,239
say I'm to make the current

1590
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:28,460
the turn I really ask and I'm sure this has been considered

1591
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:29,159
but has it been

1592
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:33,199
seriously considered that all accesses be off Country Club

1593
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:34,399
Country Club is

1594
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:42,050
already a mess and so this would just be part of it I'm

1595
01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:44,119
also concerned about the

1596
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:48,960
density rating and as most of the McLaughlin said I would I

1597
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,319
appreciate the

1598
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:54,970
lowering from in our four to three and I would appreciate

1599
01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:56,880
more serious concerns

1600
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:02,529
toward the in our two for this great thank you thank you

1601
01:16:02,529 --> 01:16:03,680
for your comments any

1602
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:10,359
questions thank you ma'am next speaker will be Paul Wadley

1603
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:11,720
followed by Lisa

1604
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:19,689
Hill thank you everyone for allowing me to speak I live at

1605
01:16:19,689 --> 01:16:21,039
801 Regency Court

1606
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:24,289
which is on the northern border of the proposed development

1607
01:16:24,289 --> 01:16:25,279
and we've kind of

1608
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:27,600
been in our own little world for a long time just kind of

1609
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,520
houses right off of

1610
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,010
Country Club and we've seen developments go up directly

1611
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:32,399
across Country Club and

1612
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:35,600
it affected the traffic significantly there are times of

1613
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:36,600
the day where you

1614
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,300
look to my left and there's cars backed up from hops and

1615
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:40,800
for miles my concern is

1616
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,720
traffic number one on a more selfish concern the back my

1617
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,479
backyard is lined by

1618
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,180
some very tall lovely trees I would hate to see those go

1619
01:16:50,180 --> 01:16:51,279
for me to look at

1620
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:54,640
another neighborhood think it would significantly affect

1621
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,560
all the value of

1622
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,300
the properties on that northern border and kind of our own

1623
01:16:58,300 --> 01:16:59,279
formerly isolated

1624
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:01,680
land on the plus side I think moving those houses on

1625
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:02,840
Country Club sounds like

1626
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,680
a stellar idea there's currently heavy metal music played

1627
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:07,239
from one of those

1628
01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:11,359
houses till 1 2 a.m. most nights of the week so having that

1629
01:17:11,359 --> 01:17:11,960
gone would be

1630
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,640
phenomenal but I'm concerned about the trees mostly traffic

1631
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,119
secondarily and

1632
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:21,270
would mostly just like to talk to mr. Allison about the

1633
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:22,600
plans for preserving

1634
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:29,880
natural beauty of that line thank you commissioner Hesbeth

1635
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,880
what just so I can

1636
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,640
get I'm gonna look afterwards what is your address again

1637
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:35,199
you know one

1638
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:39,579
Regency right there on Country Club where it's become quite

1639
01:17:39,579 --> 01:17:41,199
busy thank you

1640
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,800
sir sure thing Commissioner Beck thank you chair I was

1641
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:45,439
hoping

1642
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:52,340
Commissioner would ask but can you point out where your

1643
01:17:52,340 --> 01:17:54,520
property is located you

1644
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,119
were concerned about trees this is my property here okay

1645
01:17:58,119 --> 01:17:58,880
right on the corner

1646
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,119
and our backyard line is lined with trees that are pretty

1647
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:05,760
impressive tall

1648
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,779
trees I see cranes live in those trees but I looked and

1649
01:18:09,779 --> 01:18:10,600
they're not protected

1650
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,960
species or anything so I can't get away with that okay

1651
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:16,479
great thank you

1652
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:22,489
before you go hey would you raise your hand mr. Watley may

1653
01:18:22,489 --> 01:18:23,279
want to get with you

1654
01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:26,640
about his concern about trees that's our specialists here

1655
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:27,800
in the student with

1656
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,710
trees that can tell you how our tree code will kick in on

1657
01:18:30,710 --> 01:18:31,720
this property so

1658
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:37,640
maybe that be a we love trees you may want to friendly

1659
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,159
after the meeting or

1660
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:41,149
maybe telephone call and he can tell you how those trees

1661
01:18:41,149 --> 01:18:41,720
will have to be

1662
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:47,039
preserved yeah that would be lovely thank you okay our next

1663
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:47,720
speaker will be

1664
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:54,479
Lisa Hill to be followed by John Pimento

1665
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:06,079
good afternoon my name is Lisa Hill and we live right next

1666
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:07,600
door to the McLaughlin

1667
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:12,680
so I concur with everything they both said when we moved

1668
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:13,760
into the neighborhood

1669
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,260
we knew that there would be development in the back but I

1670
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:18,960
concur because we want

1671
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:24,630
the neighborhood to be consistent with what it is now and I

1672
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:26,279
know development

1673
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:30,180
does happen different things does come in but as far as to

1674
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:30,840
keep you know as

1675
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,829
far as the property values to keep everything now I wasn't

1676
01:19:33,829 --> 01:19:34,800
aware because I

1677
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,810
didn't have a chance to really study everything you mr.

1678
01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:39,760
strange you had made a

1679
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,770
because we're right now it's going to be zoned but in our

1680
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:45,279
form it's currently in

1681
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:48,399
our four is going to be three that's correct okay it's

1682
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:49,600
going down but we

1683
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,550
prefer to if at all possible but anyway bottom line is to

1684
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:56,039
keep the nature of the

1685
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:59,529
beauty the trees the flooding and I do know what they're

1686
01:19:59,529 --> 01:20:00,779
speaking of because we

1687
01:20:00,779 --> 01:20:05,420
did see we had the city to come out and it is I mean yeah

1688
01:20:05,420 --> 01:20:06,680
it's a lot of flooding

1689
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,970
there so I would ask them to take that in consideration we

1690
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:09,779
would like to keep

1691
01:20:09,779 --> 01:20:15,550
it at level zoning to fit all possible thank you okay thank

1692
01:20:15,550 --> 01:20:16,560
you

1693
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:22,760
next speaker will be John Pimento he is in support and then

1694
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,479
followed by Troy

1695
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:31,020
Johnson did I get I'm sorry somebody's handing cards I

1696
01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:32,399
apologize that we've we

1697
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:36,880
got you're correct it is 3b my mistake some of these are

1698
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,399
marked and some are

1699
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:43,890
not our next speaker will be Troy Johnson that's the last

1700
01:20:43,890 --> 01:20:44,680
card that I have

1701
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,119
here requesting to speak

1702
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:56,409
okay and I want to thank the city the staff can you just in

1703
01:20:56,409 --> 01:20:57,380
the microphone

1704
01:20:57,380 --> 01:20:59,680
for the guys like will you give your name and full address

1705
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,399
sure please

1706
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:05,399
Troy Johnson 3200 Belmont thank you sir all right it'll be

1707
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:06,319
brief since I guess

1708
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:10,260
I'm the last one in between this gentleman here maybe thank

1709
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:10,920
you for a

1710
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,210
careful consideration I don't have a lot to add because I

1711
01:21:14,210 --> 01:21:15,359
think many people have

1712
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:18,960
said many things good things about development we certainly

1713
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:19,680
understand that

1714
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,100
that's the nature of where we live in the excitement of our

1715
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:23,800
area also

1716
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,710
important things about scenery about wildlife about mr.

1717
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:28,920
widely I look forward

1718
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,569
to getting to know him and maybe work with him some I hope

1719
01:21:32,569 --> 01:21:33,199
you're you're also

1720
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,840
mindful maybe one of the things I didn't hear about is is

1721
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:36,880
school density and

1722
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,399
impact on schools as you continue down this path of

1723
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:40,720
development and the

1724
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,720
readiness for the school districts to be able to manage

1725
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,800
especially if there are

1726
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:49,449
120 or so homes if that's what I heard versus 50 fewer

1727
01:21:49,449 --> 01:21:50,800
homes which is a lot

1728
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,609
fewer children as you might expect I do agree with a lot of

1729
01:21:54,609 --> 01:21:55,720
my neighbors there

1730
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,199
the traffic patterns are going to change and I'm glad that

1731
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:00,399
you understand that

1732
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:02,180
neighborhood well and I know all of you have probably

1733
01:22:02,180 --> 01:22:03,560
driven through there some

1734
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,600
time or another that will become a good thoroughfare

1735
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,279
especially with ways the

1736
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:12,689
mobile app that helps us find shortcuts that's a good being

1737
01:22:12,689 --> 01:22:13,239
on it and that

1738
01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:16,229
track that stop sign is going to get run and it's going to

1739
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:17,439
be a dangerous kind of

1740
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,199
intersection the way that it curves and s is right there

1741
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:21,399
and so I appreciate a

1742
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:23,760
lot of thought from us on a part of city planners

1743
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,640
developers as we move forward

1744
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,850
to get that right for the safety of children that are

1745
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:30,279
walking home from the

1746
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:32,909
school bus it's quite a ways down or just people that are

1747
01:22:32,909 --> 01:22:33,920
walking their dogs

1748
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,359
during the day and at night and I'll be happy to answer any

1749
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:38,079
questions you might

1750
01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:42,090
have Commissioner Hedgesmith so if I were to put you on a

1751
01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:43,600
spot and say give me a

1752
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,350
number of houses that use that fit in that square what

1753
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:48,800
number comes to your

1754
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,500
mind that's a fair amount of homes to fit in that that

1755
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:54,600
marked area no I'm on

1756
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,840
the frontier my knowledge on that one so you got me there

1757
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,279
but I do like the

1758
01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:03,119
discussion about lot size being somewhat comparable being

1759
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:05,000
in that 70 range you

1760
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,640
know the lower the lower certainly feels like it's commens

1761
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:09,439
urate with the

1762
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,819
development of the community and what what's what's all

1763
01:23:13,819 --> 01:23:15,319
around that particular

1764
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:18,399
lot I thought there was a really good summary about what

1765
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:19,479
the nature of that

1766
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,399
kind of area is and so something that's kind of commens

1767
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:23,720
urate or matching in that

1768
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:30,079
so great answer if I may and so if I were to represent to

1769
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:31,279
you that the

1770
01:23:31,279 --> 01:23:35,399
developers talking round numbers point three six of an acre

1771
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:36,479
and the bulk of

1772
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:42,579
those houses on Belmont are point three eight so we're

1773
01:23:42,579 --> 01:23:43,760
talking about point oh two

1774
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:48,140
difference for the majority your your property is about

1775
01:23:48,140 --> 01:23:49,359
point four seven

1776
01:23:49,359 --> 01:23:53,409
there's one about point five on that street but all all

1777
01:23:53,409 --> 01:23:54,560
total we're right

1778
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,239
about point oh two let's round it up point oh four

1779
01:23:57,239 --> 01:23:58,600
difference of an acre

1780
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:05,029
that's that's consistent and do you agree or do you think

1781
01:24:05,029 --> 01:24:06,119
point oh four

1782
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:12,939
matters that's a that's a great question the thing that I

1783
01:24:12,939 --> 01:24:13,760
would be curious about

1784
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,979
is whether that point three six is an average or if it's a

1785
01:24:17,979 --> 01:24:19,239
minimum size you

1786
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:21,560
see there's a difference because point three six could mean

1787
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,359
you have some that

1788
01:24:22,359 --> 01:24:26,020
are point five and some that are two point two five and

1789
01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:27,520
point two five lot is

1790
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,529
a very different size lot than a point three six and so

1791
01:24:30,529 --> 01:24:31,960
most of these I think

1792
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,439
the smaller you might have mentioned was point three six I

1793
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:35,199
think some of my

1794
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,800
neighbors probably have about that and so I would say it

1795
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,840
kind of depends what

1796
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:43,079
your point three six really represents but if it's in that

1797
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:44,199
range then you know

1798
01:24:44,199 --> 01:24:46,829
we're talking pretty commensurate but if you're getting

1799
01:24:46,829 --> 01:24:48,640
down a quarter acre size

1800
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,600
and such and even a third of an acre you know that would

1801
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:52,920
represent smaller I

1802
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,789
think smaller than the smallest in that area so you see

1803
01:24:56,789 --> 01:24:58,119
where I'm coming from

1804
01:24:58,119 --> 01:25:03,079
okay thank you sure thank you yes thank you for your

1805
01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:04,039
comments thank you all for

1806
01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:08,890
your time again this is a public hearing anyone who wishes

1807
01:25:08,890 --> 01:25:10,600
to speak please come

1808
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,000
forward at this time and then you can fill out a card I

1809
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,840
have one email from

1810
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:22,100
Andrea and Steve Shula at 601 Regency Court and quote they

1811
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:23,279
are not completely

1812
01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:25,710
for or against it so I'm going to put them down as a

1813
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:27,039
neutral and their major

1814
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:33,130
concerns are traffic and drainage if there's anyone else

1815
01:25:33,130 --> 01:25:34,439
that would like to

1816
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,590
speak on this item please come forward at this time before

1817
01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:37,279
I close the public

1818
01:25:37,279 --> 01:25:43,979
hearing if we have a question you can come back up do we

1819
01:25:43,979 --> 01:25:45,239
have a question

1820
01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:48,659
I believe mr. McLaughlin has a question for me that we didn

1821
01:25:48,659 --> 01:25:49,199
't get answer

1822
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,840
previous okay commissioner Beck and you may have a question

1823
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,159
for you please come

1824
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:56,159
back to the microphone because our rule is you get one

1825
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:57,960
opportunity and we kind

1826
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,750
of sometimes can do get around that with a question mr. Mc

1827
01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:01,640
Laughlin did you have a

1828
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:07,520
question for me I had an answer or a question whichever you

1829
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,640
need the question

1830
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,250
was posed did we have an idea of how many homes would be

1831
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:14,680
the optimum number

1832
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:21,039
and that would be not to exceed 70 and 60 would be better

1833
01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:22,880
commissioner has but

1834
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:29,529
do you have a question yes sir so the overall acreage I don

1835
01:26:29,529 --> 01:26:30,279
't have it in front

1836
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:34,220
of me but round numbers I mean can we agree that we're

1837
01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:35,960
talking in your numbers

1838
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:42,199
where eight houses different from what's proposed okay so I

1839
01:26:42,199 --> 01:26:43,680
'm not saying eight

1840
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,039
houses eight houses don't matter I just wanted to normalize

1841
01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:48,239
the conversation to

1842
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:51,060
make sure I mean and that's fair I mean I noted your answer

1843
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:52,079
before and I was just

1844
01:26:52,079 --> 01:26:57,430
trying to get the poll the other neighborhoods other people

1845
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:58,000
who live in

1846
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,640
neighborhood to see if that number resonates with everyone

1847
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:01,439
so that that was

1848
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,159
the purpose for the question but but thank you thank you

1849
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:05,520
appreciate it thank

1850
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,409
you seeing no one else wishing to speak I'm going to close

1851
01:27:09,409 --> 01:27:10,979
our public hearing at

1852
01:27:10,979 --> 01:27:14,640
this time and I'll open the floor for discussion or emotion

1853
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:20,260
mr. Taylor thank you chair I just want to I think everybody

1854
01:27:20,260 --> 01:27:20,760
on the commission's

1855
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,189
aware and hopefully most of the audience is but I'd like to

1856
01:27:24,189 --> 01:27:25,199
bring up two things

1857
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:29,979
we are talking about a development that is suggesting 73 to

1858
01:27:29,979 --> 01:27:32,359
78 houses and you

1859
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:35,329
know Allison engineering is reputable we have dealt with

1860
01:27:35,329 --> 01:27:36,199
them a lot they work on

1861
01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:40,220
a lot of projects in town but we can't see unforeseen

1862
01:27:40,220 --> 01:27:42,600
circumstances so we

1863
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,680
really do need to think about this as the maximum possible

1864
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,600
because if you know

1865
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,680
the landowner goes bankrupt or another financial crisis

1866
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,279
happens or any number

1867
01:27:53,279 --> 01:27:56,109
of things leads to this piece of property being sold it can

1868
01:27:56,109 --> 01:27:56,720
be developed

1869
01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:01,369
at whatever the zoning is that exists the second point is

1870
01:28:01,369 --> 01:28:02,960
this property can be

1871
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:07,289
developed right now at the zoning it exists at now and we

1872
01:28:07,289 --> 01:28:08,680
can't even even if

1873
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,890
tonight we tried to rezone it to NR to the developers

1874
01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:13,359
already applied for an

1875
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:17,470
application and so they get to follow the regulations of

1876
01:28:17,470 --> 01:28:18,859
the date that they

1877
01:28:18,859 --> 01:28:22,640
applied for their application they filed their application

1878
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:23,760
so they could come in

1879
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,979
if we change it to NR to right now they could build at NR

1880
01:28:27,979 --> 01:28:30,420
for density so we

1881
01:28:30,420 --> 01:28:35,800
can't really turn back the clock or roll this to NR to the

1882
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,560
the the choices we

1883
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,829
have are make it in our three and make it consistent or

1884
01:28:40,829 --> 01:28:42,119
leave it the way it is

1885
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:46,279
basically so I just want to I just want to bring that up

1886
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,159
that that we we don't

1887
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:51,920
want to talk too much about 70 or 73 or 78 and we don't we

1888
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:52,760
can't really

1889
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,220
feasibly talk about all of this as if it were in our two

1890
01:28:56,220 --> 01:28:57,840
with 71 houses allowed

1891
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,880
in our two densities because right now it's in our four and

1892
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,239
that allows about

1893
01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:08,170
112 or 113 total houses so just wanted to bring up those

1894
01:29:08,170 --> 01:29:09,000
two points in our

1895
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:15,439
discussion did you have Commissioner Ellis now come to you

1896
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:15,920
Commissioner I

1897
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,289
think you're here I actually was hoping to ask mr. Allison

1898
01:29:18,289 --> 01:29:19,840
a question absolutely

1899
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:33,310
can we bring him back up yes thank you mr. Allison is there

1900
01:29:33,310 --> 01:29:33,880
a way you can

1901
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,159
elaborate for us why you you cannot do NR to hear how that

1902
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:39,600
would affect your

1903
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,350
your project and why you are requesting NR three could

1904
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:45,159
could you elaborate that

1905
01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:50,359
point for for us in our audience I can get back to

1906
01:29:58,920 --> 01:29:59,789
trying to get to my presentation I can't find it I'm

1907
01:29:59,789 --> 01:30:02,560
somebody else's

1908
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,319
apologize

1909
01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:25,840
I'll do my best to try and explain for mr. key that's one

1910
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:26,800
of the reasons we

1911
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,180
brought this slide in as well we weren't trying to to

1912
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:34,319
disguise anything we feel

1913
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:37,680
like that in our three less is too close to what we can do

1914
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:38,760
today Kent really

1915
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:44,140
doesn't want to do the smaller lots at the same time he's

1916
01:30:44,140 --> 01:30:46,039
got an investment

1917
01:30:46,039 --> 01:30:48,939
there and needs to get a return on the investment and the

1918
01:30:48,939 --> 01:30:51,399
NR three allows up to

1919
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:54,960
124 but to go to NR two would just put him way too low

1920
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:55,960
compared put him down

1921
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:00,119
into the into the 70 range and believe it or not three or

1922
01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:00,960
four more lots can

1923
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,600
make quite a bit of difference so he is looking for that as

1924
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,420
mr. Taylor pointed

1925
01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:15,600
out what's there can be done these densities you need to

1926
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:16,840
look at because it

1927
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,079
is correct another reason we brought this chart up is you

1928
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:19,840
've really got to

1929
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,670
look at the zoning and how that affects the overall site

1930
01:31:23,670 --> 01:31:25,079
but I also wanted to

1931
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:29,090
point out with the ESA limits and the proposed ESA

1932
01:31:29,090 --> 01:31:31,199
alternate ESA if we come

1933
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:36,229
back I'm taking a long time to answer your question I

1934
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:38,680
apologize but with this

1935
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,430
it's very difficult to get even with the NR for that high

1936
01:31:42,430 --> 01:31:43,920
density in this area

1937
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,170
because of the lot coverages and the set building setbacks

1938
01:31:47,170 --> 01:31:48,159
and those kind of

1939
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,180
things so the NR three seemed like a good compromise and an

1940
01:31:52,180 --> 01:31:53,039
overall upgrade

1941
01:31:53,039 --> 01:31:56,250
compared to what was there relative to what's over here and

1942
01:31:56,250 --> 01:31:58,439
with his plan that

1943
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:04,710
we've come up and we're sticking with the the I mean this

1944
01:32:04,710 --> 01:32:06,159
plan shows 73 I don't

1945
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:09,760
really see it it changing but we said 78 to give us a

1946
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,039
little wiggle room as we go

1947
01:32:11,039 --> 01:32:14,069
through the processes with the city one thing we might

1948
01:32:14,069 --> 01:32:15,520
consider and I'm not sure

1949
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,060
how best to do it would be to eliminate this piece of road

1950
01:32:19,060 --> 01:32:20,779
right here we could

1951
01:32:20,779 --> 01:32:23,409
have two entries well we've got two shown here now we could

1952
01:32:23,409 --> 01:32:24,279
move it down here

1953
01:32:24,279 --> 01:32:26,810
and keep it there this side wouldn't be a problem this

1954
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:28,039
could be an issue because

1955
01:32:28,039 --> 01:32:31,710
of emergency access and more than needed and maybe we build

1956
01:32:31,710 --> 01:32:32,800
that as an emergency

1957
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,079
access only for some reason not keep it open one of the

1958
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:38,079
reasons we put the z-shaped

1959
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:42,460
road in here was to discourage the through traffic the cut

1960
01:32:42,460 --> 01:32:43,560
through traffic

1961
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,319
and it was our understanding that even though not as an

1962
01:32:46,319 --> 01:32:48,439
arterial and maybe I

1963
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,340
misunderstood but I thought Alpacaille was still shown as a

1964
01:32:51,340 --> 01:32:52,279
collector coming

1965
01:32:52,279 --> 01:32:54,970
all the way through so it may not be going through as an

1966
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:56,159
arterial but will be

1967
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:58,050
going through as a commercial collector which is

1968
01:32:58,050 --> 01:32:59,239
essentially what it is today

1969
01:32:59,239 --> 01:33:02,279
and that's what's really going to take the cut through

1970
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:03,640
traffic in the future

1971
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:07,000
and when you look at the amount of money you put in for p

1972
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:07,979
aving and different

1973
01:33:07,979 --> 01:33:10,810
things to go with the infrastructure he's just trying to

1974
01:33:10,810 --> 01:33:11,840
find an economically

1975
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:18,159
feasible number here but he's also looking to keep these

1976
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:18,960
lots on the higher

1977
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:25,340
side and also back here to help transition from the bigger

1978
01:33:25,340 --> 01:33:26,399
lots through

1979
01:33:26,399 --> 01:33:30,529
bigger lots to a little bit smaller on this side and again

1980
01:33:30,529 --> 01:33:31,680
I think when we come

1981
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,550
back with the ESA if we come back with an ESA and try and

1982
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:36,079
look at doing 120

1983
01:33:36,079 --> 01:33:38,680
lots that's where you say you don't get the ESA so you're

1984
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:39,640
kind of stuck with

1985
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,000
some physical constraints that keep us you know sometimes

1986
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,159
it's the practical

1987
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:48,220
limitations not the actual specific zoning numbers that

1988
01:33:48,220 --> 01:33:49,560
that minimize or

1989
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,199
determine what we can really do on the site so when you

1990
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:53,159
look at the zoning

1991
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:57,880
along with the existing environmentally system of areas it

1992
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,399
's it's tough to even

1993
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:03,470
do the NR4 out there I mean still be done but it'd be even

1994
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:04,960
uglier than all

1995
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,779
but if we get the ESA and do this this will be a nice site.

1996
01:34:08,779 --> 01:34:09,939
Well you're up there

1997
01:34:09,939 --> 01:34:12,750
Lee if you don't mind I'm glad you have this map up this is

1998
01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:13,439
a topo map

1999
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,840
essentially that you have on there as well as can you speak

2000
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:17,640
on your

2001
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,140
professional opinion as to how with the essentially two cul

2002
01:34:21,140 --> 01:34:22,399
-de-sacs that you have

2003
01:34:22,399 --> 01:34:25,760
coming up on the east side of your property how that will

2004
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,079
pick up water and

2005
01:34:27,079 --> 01:34:30,380
the city requirements for I believe it lots have to drain

2006
01:34:30,380 --> 01:34:31,720
to the streets how

2007
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,029
that may improve some of the drainage issues that we've

2008
01:34:34,029 --> 01:34:35,159
heard about this evening.

2009
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:38,800
Yes I can our focus has been primarily on the floodplain

2010
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,199
itself but as we look

2011
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:44,210
at this topo map there is a ridge along here and you can

2012
01:34:44,210 --> 01:34:45,640
see there is a small

2013
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,640
area that does drain back to the east and that would go

2014
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:49,840
into the yards that

2015
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,850
are having some complications with these cul-de-sacs here

2016
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:53,840
we'd be cutting down

2017
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,819
and we can make sure that all of these areas drain into the

2018
01:34:56,819 --> 01:34:57,800
cul-de-sacs and

2019
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,069
into the creek and away from those homes additionally we'd

2020
01:35:01,069 --> 01:35:02,840
have probably some

2021
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,989
storms so we're maybe not this far back but if there are

2022
01:35:05,989 --> 01:35:07,359
some other problems that

2023
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:09,880
our development doesn't directly solve we might work with

2024
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:10,720
the city to extend

2025
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,189
some storms who are to resolve some city problems in that

2026
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:14,159
area possibly I don't

2027
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,909
know we haven't studied it but there's potential there.

2028
01:35:16,909 --> 01:35:19,800
Okay. Commissioner Rossell.

2029
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:25,710
This is more clarification maybe for own edification but it

2030
01:35:25,710 --> 01:35:27,800
fits here if this was

2031
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,909
an NR2 zoning the spaces in which they can't develop they

2032
01:35:31,909 --> 01:35:32,640
can displace that

2033
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:37,000
density elsewhere do you know off the top your head what

2034
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,399
the lot sizes would be

2035
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:42,479
condensed down to an NR2 I mean wouldn't it be I'm just

2036
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:43,199
thinking it'd be point

2037
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:49,630
four and change. Well if we were to develop with this ESA

2038
01:35:49,630 --> 01:35:51,079
and the whole

2039
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:56,199
things NR2 would probably bound in the 12,000 square foot

2040
01:35:56,199 --> 01:35:57,199
per lot by the time

2041
01:35:57,199 --> 01:36:02,050
you allow for streets and things if we get an alternative E

2042
01:36:02,050 --> 01:36:03,479
SA and we're in the

2043
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:10,210
NR2 probably more than 14,000 square foot average per lot

2044
01:36:10,210 --> 01:36:12,319
again as I think you

2045
01:36:12,319 --> 01:36:19,539
were pointing out earlier and I'm gonna be off the chart

2046
01:36:19,539 --> 01:36:23,600
here but you know 35

2047
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,829
acres NR2 70 lots we could make this one lot and we could

2048
01:36:27,829 --> 01:36:30,159
make this 69 lots you

2049
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:32,640
know just to help shift it around because the code when you

2050
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:33,239
're over two

2051
01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:36,680
acres doesn't doesn't set a minimum lot size it basically

2052
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:37,640
sets an average and

2053
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:41,000
the number of lots is based on the gross acreage of the

2054
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,640
development that you know

2055
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,579
NR2 doesn't mean a half acre lot it's probably more in the

2056
01:36:45,579 --> 01:36:47,159
point four acres

2057
01:36:47,159 --> 01:36:50,689
some of these lots I did look earlier depending on you

2058
01:36:50,689 --> 01:36:52,039
found some more in the

2059
01:36:52,039 --> 01:36:55,489
point four point three six range there were some out there

2060
01:36:55,489 --> 01:36:56,640
further away that

2061
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:01,729
are more like into a point five but it varies thank you I

2062
01:37:01,729 --> 01:37:03,079
'll make one other

2063
01:37:03,079 --> 01:37:06,859
comment one of the issues that probably has not been

2064
01:37:06,859 --> 01:37:07,880
discussed it's gonna be the

2065
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:13,000
lot coverage and depending on whether it's an NR2 or an NR4

2066
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,039
or a compromise in

2067
01:37:14,039 --> 01:37:16,979
the middle of NR3 you're gonna get a difference in the lot

2068
01:37:16,979 --> 01:37:18,720
coverage to on on

2069
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:23,119
these and that's part of the issue I assume from what I

2070
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:24,359
know about the

2071
01:37:24,359 --> 01:37:27,260
developers is one of the driving issues on this is to make

2072
01:37:27,260 --> 01:37:28,399
this a little more of

2073
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:31,529
a consistent development and then also because a lot

2074
01:37:31,529 --> 01:37:32,960
coverage to make the lots

2075
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:38,390
be essentially buildable lots and I think that's another

2076
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:39,600
issue that will

2077
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,739
probably be brought to us and discuss maybe in more detail

2078
01:37:42,739 --> 01:37:43,720
when you all come

2079
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:47,220
back for preliminary platting in your ESA but I think that

2080
01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:47,899
's just for the

2081
01:37:47,899 --> 01:37:50,970
Commission that's another big issue that's going to come

2082
01:37:50,970 --> 01:37:51,800
before us as to

2083
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,840
why this is where Quest was made to begin with any other

2084
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,079
questions for mr.

2085
01:37:58,079 --> 01:38:07,420
Allison thank you again our public hearing is closed so we

2086
01:38:07,420 --> 01:38:08,760
're in discussion

2087
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:18,439
or motion commissioner back thank you chair just some

2088
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:19,680
comments and then I'll

2089
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,720
make a motion I have heard the concerns of the citizens

2090
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:23,760
around that and I

2091
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,399
understand that course increased traffic drainage issues is

2092
01:38:27,399 --> 01:38:30,279
a legitimate concern

2093
01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:37,130
honestly feel though any changes we have in traffic is to

2094
01:38:37,130 --> 01:38:39,000
distinguish between

2095
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:44,119
and in our to development and an NR4 you know is is not

2096
01:38:44,119 --> 01:38:45,359
going to be that

2097
01:38:45,359 --> 01:38:49,119
consequential if we're looking at road development on Hobs

2098
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:50,239
on that's going to

2099
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:54,750
expand it and Ryan Road eventually you know those are going

2100
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:55,640
to be the default

2101
01:38:55,640 --> 01:39:00,029
roads to get from Country Club to the Teasley and all that

2102
01:39:00,029 --> 01:39:01,239
the way this is

2103
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:04,880
set up it's going to actually discourage any cutting

2104
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,680
through is my opinion the

2105
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,039
developer if we get in once we get into that I'm vaguely

2106
01:39:11,039 --> 01:39:12,279
familiar with them

2107
01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:15,640
they're very eco-friendly I think that the concerns people

2108
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:16,600
have about trees and

2109
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,899
everything will be a laid once we see what the developer

2110
01:39:19,899 --> 01:39:21,119
has in store he's

2111
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:25,539
been before us on several occasions and he's expressed a

2112
01:39:25,539 --> 01:39:27,199
genuine concern for

2113
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:30,250
environmentally sound areas keeping things intact as they

2114
01:39:30,250 --> 01:39:36,600
are so as difficult

2115
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:42,000
as it may be you know to cross paths with the homeowners

2116
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:42,960
that oppose this I'm

2117
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:48,680
going to move that we approve this okay the motion for

2118
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,319
approval I have a second

2119
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:59,359
second Commissioner Taylor second any discussion

2120
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:11,800
Commissioner Hesbeth yeah I just I struggle with the

2121
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,319
options Commissioner

2122
01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:21,050
Taylor pointed out and I think the most encouraging thing

2123
01:40:21,050 --> 01:40:25,039
for me is Mr. Allison's

2124
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:29,479
willingness to meet those concerns so really I've boiled

2125
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,119
those concerns down

2126
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:35,819
to the traffic on Country Club Road which we as a city have

2127
01:40:35,819 --> 01:40:37,479
no control over so

2128
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,930
assuming he works with the neighborhood to mitigate the

2129
01:40:40,930 --> 01:40:42,720
water assuming he works

2130
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,930
with the neighborhood to to preserve trees where he can and

2131
01:40:45,930 --> 01:40:47,600
he's articulated

2132
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,500
those things he's articulated the willingness to shift she

2133
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:51,279
streets around

2134
01:40:51,279 --> 01:40:57,210
to make it less cut through friendly if you will I really I

2135
01:40:57,210 --> 01:40:59,319
mean there's nothing

2136
01:40:59,319 --> 01:41:02,800
we can do about this body can do about Country Club Road

2137
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,199
and so just just

2138
01:41:06,199 --> 01:41:10,069
thinking out loud I think that that's why I'm at peace with

2139
01:41:10,069 --> 01:41:10,960
it is just because

2140
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:16,510
he's touched all the concerns of the neighborhood and did

2141
01:41:16,510 --> 01:41:18,000
not go where we've

2142
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,359
seen some go worse just hey here's my project here's what I

2143
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:22,600
'm gonna do and and

2144
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,569
everyone can pound sand I mean he's he's shown a

2145
01:41:25,569 --> 01:41:27,800
willingness to to be pliable and

2146
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:32,439
I think that's that's that's commendable so anyway I think

2147
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,199
I think he mitigates

2148
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:41,109
the concerns of the neighborhood and removes that in our

2149
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:42,600
for label that's

2150
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,010
hanging out there currently and then we don't have any say

2151
01:41:45,010 --> 01:41:46,279
so and what goes

2152
01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:51,050
there so I want to take advantage of that why we can

2153
01:41:51,050 --> 01:41:52,319
Commissioner Roselle

2154
01:41:52,319 --> 01:41:56,399
thank you chair I just wanted to thank everyone for coming

2155
01:41:56,399 --> 01:41:57,680
out and helping

2156
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,270
us have this conversation and dialogue through this and

2157
01:42:00,270 --> 01:42:01,279
bring up points that

2158
01:42:01,279 --> 01:42:04,899
help contextualize this I can say living in the

2159
01:42:04,899 --> 01:42:06,560
neighborhood if there is

2160
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:08,569
individuals that cut through I'm gonna I'm gonna be a

2161
01:42:08,569 --> 01:42:10,199
victim to it I'm gonna

2162
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:13,479
have to deal with El Paseo that stop sign where it's run

2163
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:15,840
often and I'm sure

2164
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,470
I've seen most people that spoke tonight in my passing on

2165
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:19,399
the way to work or

2166
01:42:19,399 --> 01:42:23,239
coming home so I'm familiar with the area and I and

2167
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:25,600
certainly will be

2168
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:29,289
interested in anxious to see the new traffic patterns and

2169
01:42:29,289 --> 01:42:30,399
hoping that tech

2170
01:42:30,399 --> 01:42:35,079
stock can can approve some stoplights but I think based on

2171
01:42:35,079 --> 01:42:36,319
just the flood

2172
01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:39,060
plane going through someone mentioned earlier that we're

2173
01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:40,159
looking at a tree or

2174
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,470
leaf not a tree and I feel to some extent that might be

2175
01:42:43,470 --> 01:42:45,199
true except that it

2176
01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:50,180
it seems that the floodplain in existence kind of forces

2177
01:42:50,180 --> 01:42:51,399
these lots to

2178
01:42:51,399 --> 01:42:55,260
be kind of capped at a certain size this doesn't seem I don

2179
01:42:55,260 --> 01:42:56,039
't see the

2180
01:42:56,039 --> 01:42:59,510
economics of putting half acre lots in their unit of his NR

2181
01:42:59,510 --> 01:43:00,680
two and there's an

2182
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,909
opportunity right now to make sure duplexes are not built

2183
01:43:03,909 --> 01:43:04,920
on that property

2184
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:10,069
and so for the reasons independent of what Mr. Taylor

2185
01:43:10,069 --> 01:43:10,680
saying of the

2186
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:15,090
development going in this still secures this property to a

2187
01:43:15,090 --> 01:43:16,800
point that encourages

2188
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,770
I think a higher level of development that then it

2189
01:43:19,770 --> 01:43:21,520
currently stands and so for

2190
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,289
those reasons and with great hope that the traffic is

2191
01:43:25,289 --> 01:43:28,239
resolved for the approval

2192
01:43:28,239 --> 01:43:30,439
of this

2193
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:34,899
nobody else any coming I'm gonna make comments to you I'm

2194
01:43:34,899 --> 01:43:35,880
echo what I said

2195
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,789
earlier and Commissioner just Rosal just said is that

2196
01:43:38,789 --> 01:43:40,079
currently this is in our

2197
01:43:40,079 --> 01:43:43,359
four and so we don't typically get a lot of down zoning

2198
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:44,960
cases here before us and

2199
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:51,020
I think it's for the neighborhood to the east this is a

2200
01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:52,600
great opportunity for it

2201
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,630
to be down zone from what could go there right now as in

2202
01:43:56,630 --> 01:43:58,359
our four to NNR three I

2203
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:01,670
think gives a neighborhood a lot more protection than what

2204
01:44:01,670 --> 01:44:02,560
you could face

2205
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:06,949
within our four and really no say so about it and so for

2206
01:44:06,949 --> 01:44:09,600
that reason alone I'm

2207
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:15,029
I'm going to support this this evening I also believe that

2208
01:44:15,029 --> 01:44:16,840
because of the design

2209
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:20,359
that has been put before us which were they're not bound to

2210
01:44:20,359 --> 01:44:21,479
this is a concept

2211
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:25,710
but familiar with the developer and other projects that

2212
01:44:25,710 --> 01:44:27,560
they've done that I'm

2213
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,079
sure they have taken that into account to make it more

2214
01:44:31,079 --> 01:44:32,640
difficult to get in and

2215
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,050
out of that neighborhood versus just a straight shot do

2216
01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:39,319
West that might make it

2217
01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:42,600
more of a cut through that I think that is a good first

2218
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:43,840
step we'll have an

2219
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,739
opportunity look at that when they bring it back and the

2220
01:44:46,739 --> 01:44:48,680
final reason I'm

2221
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,130
gonna support it is because I have heard the neighbors

2222
01:44:51,130 --> 01:44:52,079
concerns about the

2223
01:44:52,079 --> 01:44:55,760
drainage and I think when the streets get in here sooner

2224
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,560
rather than later and

2225
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,920
they have to meet the development code to have those slots

2226
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:01,760
drained to the

2227
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,079
street that some of your issues will get addressed that

2228
01:45:05,079 --> 01:45:06,520
right now if this doesn't

2229
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,760
move forward you may be having to contend with those for

2230
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,159
some time longer

2231
01:45:11,159 --> 01:45:15,010
so for those three reasons I'm going to support this as

2232
01:45:15,010 --> 01:45:16,600
well and unless anybody

2233
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:21,439
else has a comment I'm gonna call for a hand vote this

2234
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,239
evening all those in

2235
01:45:23,239 --> 01:45:28,319
favor please raise your right hand all those opposed same

2236
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:29,720
sign and the motion

2237
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:36,340
to approve carries six to zero thank you all for coming out

2238
01:45:36,340 --> 01:45:39,000
this evening that

2239
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:50,279
will move us to our item 3b and I'm going to give them

2240
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:05,100
we can I exit your presentation give the room just a couple

2241
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:10,279
more minutes to kind

2242
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:14,569
of clear since we're kind of small and then we'll open our

2243
01:46:14,569 --> 01:46:15,760
next item here

2244
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:53,189
I know I'm like somewhere we're kind of having a de facto

2245
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:57,880
break here

2246
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:05,750
you want me just to call it for five minutes here I tell

2247
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:08,399
you what we've got a

2248
01:47:08,399 --> 01:47:10,729
few more people trying to clear the room and I think a

2249
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:11,880
couple people needed to

2250
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:18,039
take a quick break I'm a caller recess at 750

2251
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:48,840
I'm Julie Wyatt this is s 16 6 quick trip do you want to go

2252
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:49,239
over the whole

2253
01:47:49,239 --> 01:47:52,199
presentation again or do we want to do the summary okay all

2254
01:47:52,199 --> 01:47:52,760
right we'll do the

2255
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:55,439
summary all right the request before you is to consider a

2256
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:56,439
modification of an

2257
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:01,079
existing approved SUP to permit 16 additional parking

2258
01:48:01,079 --> 01:48:03,319
spaces at the quick

2259
01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:09,210
trip location at the corner of Carroll and Eagle staff has

2260
01:48:09,210 --> 01:48:10,600
reviewed the

2261
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,390
request and compared it against the criteria for approval

2262
01:48:13,390 --> 01:48:14,479
and does recommend

2263
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:19,789
approval and let me get down to the with conditions that

2264
01:48:19,789 --> 01:48:21,720
the proposed development

2265
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,260
substantially comply with the site plan landscape plan and

2266
01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:26,560
grading plan as they

2267
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,529
have been submitted which includes and I'll summarize the

2268
01:48:29,529 --> 01:48:30,520
installation of a

2269
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:35,880
curb inlet filter with an irreplaceable REM fog media pack

2270
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:36,880
at the northwest

2271
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:40,069
corner of the site and that it should be three reports

2272
01:48:40,069 --> 01:48:41,600
should be submitted to the

2273
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,000
planning department per year demonstrating that it is being

2274
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,770
maintained in accordance with the manufacturers

2275
01:48:49,770 --> 01:48:52,079
instructions that they

2276
01:48:52,079 --> 01:48:55,149
place a marked pedestrian connection between the the

2277
01:48:55,149 --> 01:48:56,640
sidewalk on North Carroll

2278
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:00,699
and the retail building that they do relocate those

2279
01:49:00,699 --> 01:49:02,479
existing trees on the

2280
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:05,739
site that can be saved and staff also recommends an

2281
01:49:05,739 --> 01:49:07,520
additional four two inch

2282
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:11,439
caliper large canopy tree trees to be planted in accordance

2283
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:12,159
with sub chapter

2284
01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,939
13 of the Denton Development Code I can stand for any

2285
01:49:14,939 --> 01:49:15,880
questions and the

2286
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:23,029
applicant is also here so thank you chair hi Julie hi hey

2287
01:49:23,029 --> 01:49:23,920
just a question

2288
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:29,079
back about that filter in the reports what is in those

2289
01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:31,159
reports or how did we

2290
01:49:31,159 --> 01:49:35,260
come up with three a year would would do and are we as a

2291
01:49:35,260 --> 01:49:36,439
city we're just in

2292
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:40,000
trusting them to do that or we're gonna look at these

2293
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:41,800
filters or just elaborate

2294
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:46,130
on sure that's based upon the manufacturers specifications

2295
01:49:46,130 --> 01:49:46,359
for

2296
01:49:46,359 --> 01:49:51,310
maintenance and yes they would be submitted to planning if

2297
01:49:51,310 --> 01:49:52,359
if for some

2298
01:49:52,359 --> 01:49:56,000
reason they didn't work as they were supposed to or they

2299
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:56,880
did not maintain

2300
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,699
them in accordance with this SUPs can be revoked by the

2301
01:50:00,699 --> 01:50:03,159
City Council so there is

2302
01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:08,310
some some checks and balances with that do the reports come

2303
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:08,720
from the

2304
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:11,529
manufacturer or telling them what to put in they would come

2305
01:50:11,529 --> 01:50:12,560
from the applicant

2306
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,039
just just reporting to us that they have maintained that's

2307
01:50:16,039 --> 01:50:16,840
all that that's

2308
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,770
really gonna say is we've done it here's the date we've

2309
01:50:19,770 --> 01:50:21,279
done it yes ma'am yes ma'am

2310
01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:25,720
but we're not gonna check it well and hopefully we don't we

2311
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:26,760
we don't always

2312
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:30,829
have the manpower to go out there and do the inspections we

2313
01:50:30,829 --> 01:50:32,720
'd like to and and and

2314
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:37,539
Deborah's here and she may be able to add she knows a lot

2315
01:50:37,539 --> 01:50:39,359
about the I swim and

2316
01:50:39,359 --> 01:50:46,930
best management practices for that good evening the Robiera

2317
01:50:46,930 --> 01:50:47,720
with environmental

2318
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,840
services and sustainability pretty much what we have is a

2319
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,279
control that is trying

2320
01:50:52,279 --> 01:50:55,640
to deal with two aspects the floatables and the pollution

2321
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:57,579
in the water they the

2322
01:50:57,579 --> 01:51:01,449
media the filtering media that they're using is for fog

2323
01:51:01,449 --> 01:51:02,800
which stands for fat

2324
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:06,579
oils and grease and pretty much what they're collecting is

2325
01:51:06,579 --> 01:51:07,640
all the oils that

2326
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:11,569
my wash out from from that parking surface and then they

2327
01:51:11,569 --> 01:51:12,680
will call that

2328
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:16,380
also the floatables this is a site that they're pretty much

2329
01:51:16,380 --> 01:51:17,680
retrofitting they

2330
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:22,060
only have one curb inlet on site so that's what they're

2331
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:23,560
using those

2332
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:25,979
controls are good as long as they're maintained properly

2333
01:51:25,979 --> 01:51:26,739
according to the

2334
01:51:26,739 --> 01:51:30,750
manufacturer so it would be upon the the applicant to

2335
01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:32,840
actually keep them up it's

2336
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,199
my understanding that the QT corporation have a maintenance

2337
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:37,180
division who deals

2338
01:51:37,180 --> 01:51:39,970
with this type of controls these controls are not new to

2339
01:51:39,970 --> 01:51:40,800
them they have

2340
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,520
using in other facilities as well so they're familiar with

2341
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:44,840
it so with the

2342
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:48,680
history of maintenance and knowledge about it staff feel

2343
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:49,800
comfortable that they

2344
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:52,399
will be able to proceed and do the maintenance accordingly

2345
01:51:52,399 --> 01:51:53,479
and we don't

2346
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:57,810
have anything as a city that that checks checks on these at

2347
01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:59,880
all we currently don't

2348
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:05,300
however when we don't see when when those controls are

2349
01:52:05,300 --> 01:52:06,760
start malfunctioning

2350
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:10,960
it would be visible people will start complaining about it

2351
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:11,960
so at that time

2352
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:15,899
probably is when stuff will be able to go in and check for

2353
01:52:15,899 --> 01:52:16,880
those the other

2354
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:22,159
thing is most of the time when we move from the design a

2355
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:23,800
stage where the

2356
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:28,340
engineers put them all those controls is up to the manager

2357
01:52:28,340 --> 01:52:30,399
or the owner of that

2358
01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:34,420
business to actually know about it perform their

2359
01:52:34,420 --> 01:52:36,479
maintenance and so on so I

2360
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:41,270
think that it's a learning process not only from the design

2361
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:42,560
you know you have

2362
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:47,199
this you have for now on to follow up and that's I believe

2363
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:48,399
is why staff is

2364
01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:51,979
required all those conditions to be put on the ordinance as

2365
01:52:51,979 --> 01:52:55,119
a reminder of what

2366
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:58,520
is needed to be done

2367
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:08,000
thank you chair I was just curious how many other I guess

2368
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,159
sites or developments

2369
01:53:09,159 --> 01:53:12,619
in Denton currently have do some kind of reporting every

2370
01:53:12,619 --> 01:53:13,880
six months or years

2371
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:17,050
well actually the razor range who have some specifications

2372
01:53:17,050 --> 01:53:18,640
about the reporting

2373
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:22,520
of the BMPs that they have put in place the other

2374
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,279
businesses that they have

2375
01:53:24,279 --> 01:53:29,039
controls like bio life they have a skirt inside the inlet

2376
01:53:29,039 --> 01:53:31,840
that is intended to

2377
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:37,340
filtrate chewy have also a similar device on the parking

2378
01:53:37,340 --> 01:53:38,960
lot they are not

2379
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:44,279
required to put controls I'm sorry they're not required to

2380
01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:45,560
provide reports

2381
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:50,800
of it however as again in those instances where we have

2382
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,840
seen malfunctioning or

2383
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:55,890
evidence that they are not being properly maintained we

2384
01:53:55,890 --> 01:53:57,279
most of the time

2385
01:53:57,279 --> 01:54:00,779
approach whoever is the manager and as long as we tell them

2386
01:54:00,779 --> 01:54:01,960
hey do you know that

2387
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:04,619
you have an alternative development plan or you have

2388
01:54:04,619 --> 01:54:05,960
something that makes you

2389
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:10,479
maintain them they act on it sometimes because they they

2390
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:13,399
don't know and so right

2391
01:54:13,399 --> 01:54:18,479
now you said razor ranch that that would be is that an MPC

2392
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,079
no the razor range is

2393
01:54:20,079 --> 01:54:22,899
actually an overlay district okay so the so an overlay

2394
01:54:22,899 --> 01:54:25,560
district ADP or SUP are

2395
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:30,199
those those are or maybe an ESA those are the only types of

2396
01:54:30,199 --> 01:54:30,680
his little of

2397
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:34,050
instruments that would require this or do some general

2398
01:54:34,050 --> 01:54:36,000
drainage plans are not

2399
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,130
actually it will be most of the time for example you can

2400
01:54:39,130 --> 01:54:40,479
have excess parking as

2401
01:54:40,479 --> 01:54:44,270
long as you use pervious surface okay so is in those

2402
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:46,039
instances when you don't

2403
01:54:46,039 --> 01:54:48,569
provide the previous surfaces that you go through some sort

2404
01:54:48,569 --> 01:54:49,319
of alternative

2405
01:54:49,319 --> 01:54:55,649
mechanism so in this case have been overlay districts could

2406
01:54:55,649 --> 01:54:57,659
be NPCs master

2407
01:54:57,659 --> 01:55:01,039
plan communities specific use permits alternative

2408
01:55:01,039 --> 01:55:05,680
development plans any other

2409
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:10,680
questions for Denver thank you

2410
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:16,329
Julie I think you were going through some I think we got to

2411
01:55:16,329 --> 01:55:16,840
the first two

2412
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:26,000
conditions I'll just repeat and then the marked pedestrian

2413
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:26,840
connection we would

2414
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:31,510
require that as part of it can as a condition to relocate

2415
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:32,920
those existing

2416
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:37,140
trees where those proposed parking spots would be and then

2417
01:55:37,140 --> 01:55:38,159
staff also is

2418
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:43,789
recommending that they plant for two inch caliper trees in

2419
01:55:43,789 --> 01:55:44,880
accordance with

2420
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:51,800
our sub chapter 13 requirements in order to to maintain the

2421
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:52,960
tree canopy that

2422
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:58,710
that's similar to the tree canopy that exists today

2423
01:55:58,710 --> 01:56:01,439
commissioner Tyler thank

2424
01:56:01,439 --> 01:56:05,460
you chair so when you say relocate you mean relocate that

2425
01:56:05,460 --> 01:56:08,079
exact tree not okay

2426
01:56:08,079 --> 01:56:13,239
was that hey is that a preferred solution or was that just

2427
01:56:13,239 --> 01:56:14,039
what the

2428
01:56:14,039 --> 01:56:16,979
applicant offered or that's what they offered and I know

2429
01:56:16,979 --> 01:56:17,960
Haywood talks to

2430
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:21,159
applicants about that a lot that you can that you can reloc

2431
01:56:21,159 --> 01:56:22,279
ate trees if you if

2432
01:56:22,279 --> 01:56:25,939
you do it correctly and and make sure that you take care of

2433
01:56:25,939 --> 01:56:28,439
it so they can

2434
01:56:28,439 --> 01:56:30,949
save them and and they don't don't have to go away so that

2435
01:56:30,949 --> 01:56:31,720
was something that

2436
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:36,439
they proposed normally we see shall be mitigated with or

2437
01:56:36,439 --> 01:56:37,319
shall be replaced by

2438
01:56:37,319 --> 01:56:40,630
so when it said relocated I just wanted to make sure that

2439
01:56:40,630 --> 01:56:42,439
wasn't the right

2440
01:56:42,439 --> 01:56:46,359
commissioner better monkey and on that so if trains

2441
01:56:46,359 --> 01:56:47,720
planning any of those they

2442
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:52,359
die within a set period of time we can make them replace it

2443
01:56:52,359 --> 01:56:54,720
our our landscape

2444
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:57,199
code does require that they maintain them and I believe it

2445
01:56:57,199 --> 01:56:58,000
's for a period of

2446
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,300
three years that three years they're looked at and that

2447
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:01,199
they have to irrigate

2448
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:06,100
them and make sure that they stay alive okay thank you I'm

2449
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:06,760
good if I'm current

2450
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:14,130
on that any other questions for staff thank you Julie thank

2451
01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:17,439
you I have one

2452
01:57:17,439 --> 01:57:23,729
card for speaker I've got it right now I think John Piment

2453
01:57:23,729 --> 01:57:25,640
el if you'll give your

2454
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:29,300
name and address and looks like you're in support and you

2455
01:57:29,300 --> 01:57:30,359
'll have four minutes

2456
01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:33,760
are you the applicant yes I don't have to do a car got ten

2457
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:34,960
minutes or okay

2458
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:40,640
perfect I go with the four John Pimentel address is 3708

2459
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:41,840
Beatrice Drive here in

2460
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:45,119
Denton I'm a real estate project manager for a quick trip

2461
01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:46,359
the reason why we're

2462
01:57:46,359 --> 01:57:49,050
wanting to do this is we're going back to our sites our

2463
01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:50,239
number one complaint

2464
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:52,039
and it's kind of sound it's a good problem to have but it's

2465
01:57:52,039 --> 01:57:52,640
we're just too

2466
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,649
busy particularly here in three out of our Denton three out

2467
01:57:56,649 --> 01:57:57,039
of four of our

2468
01:57:57,039 --> 01:58:00,670
Denton stores is top 20% in DFW I worked at stores for nine

2469
01:58:00,670 --> 01:58:01,560
years and I worked

2470
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,670
at both stores that were this one and hopefully next month

2471
01:58:04,670 --> 01:58:05,640
the one on 35

2472
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:09,479
there's busy stores and recently we don't have any here in

2473
01:58:09,479 --> 01:58:09,840
then

2474
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,510
unfortunately but we have some of the sites with four entr

2475
01:58:12,510 --> 01:58:13,680
ances this one has

2476
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:16,449
one so we just kind of causes a lot of congestion problems

2477
01:58:16,449 --> 01:58:17,399
in the store and if

2478
01:58:17,399 --> 01:58:19,470
you ever been to the store the 135 is just the lot

2479
01:58:19,470 --> 01:58:20,520
circulation is very poor

2480
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:23,460
just don't have enough parking spaces and again that's our

2481
01:58:23,460 --> 01:58:24,960
number one complaint

2482
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,859
that we received for these two stores and with that I just

2483
01:58:27,859 --> 01:58:28,800
really want to open

2484
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,880
up to any questions you may have okay Commissioner Burke

2485
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:35,800
thank you chair thank

2486
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:40,899
you for your presentation fair warning I'm an opponent of

2487
01:58:40,899 --> 01:58:42,319
more and more parking

2488
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:44,880
spaces I'm in fact I've tried to encourage city staff to

2489
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:45,640
review didn't

2490
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:48,069
development code and consider eliminating the required

2491
01:58:48,069 --> 01:58:49,880
parking space so

2492
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:54,649
justify 16 parking spaces for that particular site keeping

2493
01:58:54,649 --> 01:58:55,239
in mind I

2494
01:58:55,239 --> 01:58:58,380
realize you'll have that door on one side but you've got a

2495
01:58:58,380 --> 01:58:59,279
lot of student

2496
01:58:59,279 --> 01:59:03,069
population there that's gonna ambulate you know they're not

2497
01:59:03,069 --> 01:59:04,439
gonna drive so

2498
01:59:04,439 --> 01:59:07,510
taking that into consideration do you really think it's

2499
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:09,000
gonna require 16

2500
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,789
parking spaces to handle what you suspected is gonna be oh

2501
01:59:12,789 --> 01:59:13,479
absolutely yes

2502
01:59:13,479 --> 01:59:16,439
sir if we could possibly put more you probably would we do

2503
01:59:16,439 --> 01:59:17,239
get a lot of foot

2504
01:59:17,239 --> 01:59:19,930
traffic at this door from the college students but we get a

2505
01:59:19,930 --> 01:59:20,880
lot of car traffic

2506
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,680
as well and we're experiencing issues now with actually

2507
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,159
parking at the pumps

2508
01:59:25,159 --> 01:59:27,739
when they're not actually needing to get gas I'm including

2509
01:59:27,739 --> 01:59:28,760
those college students

2510
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,170
who don't need to get gas and they'll just park there and

2511
01:59:31,170 --> 01:59:33,319
it's just holding up

2512
01:59:33,319 --> 01:59:37,600
parking or a spot or a fueling position for our customers

2513
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:40,239
okay thank you yes sir

2514
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:45,670
Commissioner O'Zell thank you chair Commissioner Beck I've

2515
01:59:45,670 --> 01:59:46,680
frequented this

2516
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:52,579
quick trip and so I can tell you at about 740 745 in the a.

2517
01:59:52,579 --> 01:59:54,039
m. I am frequently

2518
01:59:54,039 --> 01:59:58,319
parking at a pump or leaving this location because it is

2519
01:59:58,319 --> 01:59:59,560
slammed packed

2520
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:03,890
and so I can totally I understand and I'm typically with

2521
02:00:03,890 --> 02:00:05,560
you at the reduction

2522
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:08,920
of parking a lot of places but I can certainly see a need

2523
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:10,560
for this because

2524
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:13,550
they're certainly missing out on business because their

2525
02:00:13,550 --> 02:00:14,640
parking situation

2526
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:22,479
is really it's bad in the mornings it is crazy and I would

2527
02:00:22,479 --> 02:00:22,840
like to say we

2528
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:25,739
actually would not want to add more parking you know just

2529
02:00:25,739 --> 02:00:26,720
cost extra you

2530
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:29,859
know but it's just again dictated by customer feedback and

2531
02:00:29,859 --> 02:00:30,640
need and this is

2532
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,729
actually as busy as it is we have two other den stores that

2533
02:00:33,729 --> 02:00:34,560
are far busier

2534
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:38,199
than than this one so the one on May Hill is our best store

2535
02:00:38,199 --> 02:00:39,039
in Dallas Fort Worth

2536
02:00:39,039 --> 02:00:44,729
that is not a travel center so Commissioner Hespeth yeah I

2537
02:00:44,729 --> 02:00:45,640
just want

2538
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:50,079
to add one nugget I am concerned a little bit about and I

2539
02:00:50,079 --> 02:00:50,800
know you're

2540
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,600
adding an entrance there so maybe it'll fix it but just for

2541
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:56,640
to add a note I'm

2542
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,000
curious about the security features from behind the

2543
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:00,439
building because you have the

2544
02:01:00,439 --> 02:01:03,260
yeah the day labor center you have the people I mean I mean

2545
02:01:03,260 --> 02:01:03,960
the homeless

2546
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:07,069
population in Denton is just growing right so so they kind

2547
02:01:07,069 --> 02:01:07,920
of hang out so if

2548
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,729
you're looking at the front door they hang out to the left

2549
02:01:09,729 --> 02:01:10,359
there on the side

2550
02:01:10,359 --> 02:01:13,159
of the ice machine and so now you give them access around a

2551
02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:14,640
building and so if

2552
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:17,039
I have college students walking up let's say or someone

2553
02:01:17,039 --> 02:01:18,359
from the laundry mat down

2554
02:01:18,359 --> 02:01:22,369
I just I would just I don't know what that's what that

2555
02:01:22,369 --> 02:01:23,680
looks like in practice

2556
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:27,600
I would just say hey I am generally concerned about parking

2557
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:28,319
around back if

2558
02:01:28,319 --> 02:01:31,420
there's not lighting or some other things done to try to

2559
02:01:31,420 --> 02:01:32,520
and again there's

2560
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:34,590
gonna be entrance there so it's gonna be going in and out

2561
02:01:34,590 --> 02:01:36,680
sure I just I do have

2562
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:41,329
some concern not enough doesn't rise to the level where I'm

2563
02:01:41,329 --> 02:01:42,119
against it it just

2564
02:01:42,119 --> 02:01:45,270
is a concern no it's a valid concern and actually I'm happy

2565
02:01:45,270 --> 02:01:45,800
you brought that up

2566
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,010
because about two years ago we went through a whole 50

2567
02:01:48,010 --> 02:01:48,680
million dollar

2568
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:51,529
security project and every square inch of the store is

2569
02:01:51,529 --> 02:01:52,800
filmed and monitored I

2570
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:56,260
think in Tulsa and I think one per every ten stores or so

2571
02:01:56,260 --> 02:01:57,720
is being watched at

2572
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:00,840
same time and it's it's and I'm not exaggerating it's the

2573
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:01,760
best in retail

2574
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:04,520
the Federal Reserve actually came to us and asked us how we

2575
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:05,520
can go about it for

2576
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,920
banks we hired a former general who running our security

2577
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:10,159
team and it's bar

2578
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:12,789
none of the best security system there so we're bragging

2579
02:02:12,789 --> 02:02:13,760
about that but it's

2580
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:19,840
it's absolutely true no and I don't disagree but this is a

2581
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:20,319
little pet peeve

2582
02:02:20,319 --> 02:02:22,659
of mine sure I'm going to tangent you can go you can go to

2583
02:02:22,659 --> 02:02:23,800
the post office and

2584
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:26,029
you have great pictures of people are looking for finding

2585
02:02:26,029 --> 02:02:26,680
them is a tricky

2586
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:30,810
part so so the fact that you capture on video you know you

2587
02:02:30,810 --> 02:02:32,279
got I mean I wanted

2588
02:02:32,279 --> 02:02:34,859
to be more preventative then we have a video of them and if

2589
02:02:34,859 --> 02:02:35,680
you see them call

2590
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,739
us yeah and I'm not saying that's your practice I'm just

2591
02:02:38,739 --> 02:02:40,039
saying I don't I take

2592
02:02:40,039 --> 02:02:44,060
little comfort and when people I mean it happens often but

2593
02:02:44,060 --> 02:02:45,439
it and so I'll say it's

2594
02:02:45,439 --> 02:02:47,529
a pet peeve of mine but people say hey I have a video

2595
02:02:47,529 --> 02:02:49,640
system and there's pictures

2596
02:02:49,640 --> 02:02:52,529
of them but you can't you know you got to get them and so I

2597
02:02:52,529 --> 02:02:53,399
just want to I just

2598
02:02:53,399 --> 02:02:56,590
want to I think y'all are on top of it and that's great to

2599
02:02:56,590 --> 02:02:57,840
know because then I

2600
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:02,899
wanted to champion you know what y'all are doing and for

2601
02:03:02,899 --> 02:03:03,960
our community that I

2602
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:09,020
think so I appreciate that commissioner back it wasn't

2603
02:03:09,020 --> 02:03:11,119
brought up but we you'd be

2604
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:16,300
adding lighting in the back there yes sir okay thanks any

2605
02:03:16,300 --> 02:03:17,600
other questions for

2606
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:24,800
applicant thank you sir for your presentation

2607
02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:27,939
since there's no one else in the room I'm gonna take it

2608
02:03:27,939 --> 02:03:29,279
that there aren't any

2609
02:03:29,279 --> 02:03:32,500
more speakers and I'm gonna close the public hearing and

2610
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:33,760
open the floor for

2611
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:38,840
discussion or a motion Commissioner Hesbuth I move approval

2612
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:39,960
with the

2613
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:43,640
conditions yes with the the conditions that staff is as

2614
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:45,239
laid out okay

2615
02:03:45,239 --> 02:03:49,159
Commissioner Rozelle second okay we have a first and a

2616
02:03:49,159 --> 02:03:51,159
second for approval with

2617
02:03:51,159 --> 02:03:54,439
the conditions that are in the backup and that staff has

2618
02:03:54,439 --> 02:03:55,760
read into the record

2619
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:01,659
with the first and second on any discussion or other

2620
02:04:01,659 --> 02:04:03,960
questions the only

2621
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:06,260
question I have is when I meant to ask the applicant when

2622
02:04:06,260 --> 02:04:07,279
you were up you can

2623
02:04:07,279 --> 02:04:11,439
just shake your head were you okay with all the criteria

2624
02:04:11,439 --> 02:04:12,439
that we had for approval

2625
02:04:12,439 --> 02:04:15,800
conditions if you don't mind if you've got comment if you

2626
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:16,460
'll give it to the

2627
02:04:16,460 --> 02:04:19,159
mic I'm sorry

2628
02:04:22,359 --> 02:04:25,010
thank you I thought about saying something on my way back

2629
02:04:25,010 --> 02:04:25,720
to the seat

2630
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:28,539
we can comply with all of them the only one I would I would

2631
02:04:28,539 --> 02:04:29,560
ask maybe to deviate

2632
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,140
from is to add the four extra trees the only reason I say

2633
02:04:32,140 --> 02:04:33,199
that kind of goes to

2634
02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:36,210
your concern as if you kind of look at the site plan back

2635
02:04:36,210 --> 02:04:37,239
there we kind of have

2636
02:04:37,239 --> 02:04:39,779
a bunch of trees there and with the kind of long crew

2637
02:04:39,779 --> 02:04:41,039
problem that we have at

2638
02:04:41,039 --> 02:04:44,010
that store we kind of don't want them hanging out behind in

2639
02:04:44,010 --> 02:04:44,840
that area

2640
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:48,340
specifically not only that but in in for the future if we

2641
02:04:48,340 --> 02:04:49,640
want to expand even

2642
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:53,399
more kind of expand to more so our current store if we're

2643
02:04:53,399 --> 02:04:54,560
able to acquire

2644
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:57,430
more land it just would kind of make it easier on us just

2645
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:58,880
kind of make it easier

2646
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:02,140
for us to be able to develop and not have to remove those

2647
02:05:02,140 --> 02:05:03,920
trees as well I'll

2648
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:07,069
follow up I think we have somewhere in here about moving

2649
02:05:07,069 --> 02:05:08,319
some existing trees

2650
02:05:08,319 --> 02:05:11,100
you know what size the existing trees are approximately I

2651
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:12,439
do not not off the

2652
02:05:12,439 --> 02:05:17,920
top my staff would know how big the existing trees are

2653
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:24,399
okay so you're moving for six inch trees you don't have a

2654
02:05:24,399 --> 02:05:26,520
problem with that

2655
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:30,529
you're asking about for two inch trees adding those yeah

2656
02:05:30,529 --> 02:05:32,159
absolutely and really

2657
02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:36,170
I just wanted to state that even with their removing some

2658
02:05:36,170 --> 02:05:37,439
trees were still

2659
02:05:37,439 --> 02:05:40,729
five and square feet of square feet over the canopy on the

2660
02:05:40,729 --> 02:05:42,239
parking area and 48

2661
02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:45,930
hundred square feet as a whole for the entire development

2662
02:05:45,930 --> 02:05:47,159
so well over other

2663
02:05:47,159 --> 02:05:53,880
what dent requires okay I'll ask motioning Commissioner if

2664
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:54,279
you want to

2665
02:05:54,279 --> 02:06:00,729
amend your motion for the four two-inch trees or leave as

2666
02:06:00,729 --> 02:06:04,560
is can I call Hayward

2667
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:09,800
up was that absolutely yeah mr. Hayward

2668
02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:22,800
does eight inches of tree matter what which give me give me

2669
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:26,399
your thought on

2670
02:06:26,399 --> 02:06:36,340
you like that awesome I'm proud of me well the additional

2671
02:06:36,340 --> 02:06:39,600
trees of course as

2672
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:39,600
canopy to the city being an area where there's a lot of

2673
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:44,239
traffic a lot of

2674
02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:48,640
emissions they help you know to purify their clean air so

2675
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:50,399
of course it matters

2676
02:06:50,399 --> 02:06:53,449
because it's this future tree canopy for the city there are

2677
02:06:53,449 --> 02:06:54,560
a number of mature

2678
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:59,279
trees on the site of alone that believes the south boundary

2679
02:06:59,279 --> 02:07:00,119
one thing when you're

2680
02:07:00,119 --> 02:07:02,819
looking at managing trees you look at you know having a

2681
02:07:02,819 --> 02:07:03,840
diversity of age of

2682
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:07,119
your your trees on a site or in a city so as some of those

2683
02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:08,159
older trees are

2684
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:10,640
dying off you have some of the younger trees to take their

2685
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:11,439
place so it's kind

2686
02:07:11,439 --> 02:07:18,819
of a circle of life type thing we're having discussion have

2687
02:07:18,819 --> 02:07:19,520
you got a

2688
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,529
military finish have you got another follow-up or comment

2689
02:07:23,529 --> 02:07:24,920
with Haywood no so

2690
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:29,119
I'm just thinking out loud I'm gonna leave the four trees

2691
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:32,000
but I would be

2692
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,430
willing to have Hayward in the applicant discuss location

2693
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:36,359
because I think his

2694
02:07:36,359 --> 02:07:40,279
point is valid and I take him at his word that if they're

2695
02:07:40,279 --> 02:07:41,079
expanding if

2696
02:07:41,079 --> 02:07:45,130
they're doing something to kind of place them where it's it

2697
02:07:45,130 --> 02:07:46,880
's user-friendly and

2698
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:52,369
easy on them and still doesn't lower the requirement or a

2699
02:07:52,369 --> 02:07:54,560
request okay so you

2700
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,680
were not going to amend the most we're gonna leave it as is

2701
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:57,319
I think the site

2702
02:07:57,319 --> 02:08:01,609
plan had a designation for the trees went to I believe the

2703
02:08:01,609 --> 02:08:02,720
four trees have

2704
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:06,229
removed yes but I'm saying if that if that location does

2705
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:07,520
not work for the

2706
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,630
applicant and there is a different location that the

2707
02:08:10,630 --> 02:08:12,159
applicant then is more

2708
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:17,649
at peace with than they they can work that out okay I don't

2709
02:08:17,649 --> 02:08:19,800
know if that's we

2710
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:22,720
have any concerns legal

2711
02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:32,619
the site plan for consideration by council thank you okay

2712
02:08:32,619 --> 02:08:34,760
no then I'll

2713
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:42,189
leave it as is and just leave it okay thank you do we have

2714
02:08:42,189 --> 02:08:42,520
any other

2715
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:48,119
discussion we have a motion and a second for approval with

2716
02:08:48,119 --> 02:08:48,880
all the

2717
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:53,949
conditions that were listed as as in the backup and per

2718
02:08:53,949 --> 02:08:55,520
staff am I correct on

2719
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:58,760
your motion that is correct and I welcome discussion okay

2720
02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:00,479
any discussions

2721
02:09:00,479 --> 02:09:06,369
before we take a vote on the board you know Commissioner

2722
02:09:06,369 --> 02:09:07,399
else thank you chair

2723
02:09:07,399 --> 02:09:09,199
I'll just say what I was going to say but I'm glad you're

2724
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:09,920
not changing your

2725
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:13,590
motion just you know what we need the trees here I mean we

2726
02:09:13,590 --> 02:09:14,479
were just you know

2727
02:09:14,479 --> 02:09:17,500
graded as one of the worst heirs in DFW I mean we need

2728
02:09:17,500 --> 02:09:18,880
trees you know so the

2729
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,770
suggestion by staff I think is a good one to to add the

2730
02:09:21,770 --> 02:09:22,960
trees and I hope you

2731
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:28,189
can do that and thank you Commissioner Taylor thank you

2732
02:09:28,189 --> 02:09:29,520
chair and I do think

2733
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:32,420
there are opportunities but I'm just looking at the the

2734
02:09:32,420 --> 02:09:33,520
landscape plan as it

2735
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:38,159
is now and the species isn't specified so they could be

2736
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:39,000
smaller they could and

2737
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:43,380
there are places along the road frontage you have a pretty

2738
02:09:43,380 --> 02:09:44,800
steady canopy but

2739
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,699
there are gaps in the canopy and around the new parking

2740
02:09:47,699 --> 02:09:48,760
area there's a big

2741
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:52,000
island it's about a 15 or 20 foot diameter island put one

2742
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:53,920
over there and I

2743
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:58,020
mean I just feel like there are places to put to plant four

2744
02:09:58,020 --> 02:09:59,319
trees of a medium

2745
02:09:59,319 --> 02:10:03,239
variety without adding to the forest behind the building

2746
02:10:03,239 --> 02:10:05,000
necessarily so those

2747
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:09,010
were going to be my comments on it okay Commissioner Rizzo

2748
02:10:09,010 --> 02:10:11,239
to both Mr. Ellis and

2749
02:10:11,239 --> 02:10:15,000
Commissioner Taylor's point I I would might ask

2750
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,239
Commissioner Hussbett to make

2751
02:10:17,239 --> 02:10:21,409
an amendment to free up it's my understanding that the the

2752
02:10:21,409 --> 02:10:22,079
motion on the

2753
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:24,489
table right now would actually define those trees are

2754
02:10:24,489 --> 02:10:26,640
placed correct not the

2755
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:30,060
new trees just the ones that are being relocated so the way

2756
02:10:30,060 --> 02:10:30,960
the motion has been

2757
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:38,939
placed these four additional the site plan only delineates

2758
02:10:38,939 --> 02:10:39,960
where the trees are

2759
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:43,170
to be relocated but the four new trees it does not have a

2760
02:10:43,170 --> 02:10:44,600
space for correct

2761
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:49,930
it does it does it's actually eight trees total it's four

2762
02:10:49,930 --> 02:10:52,319
moved and then four new

2763
02:10:52,319 --> 02:10:55,239
those in the side plan that those are the relocated trees

2764
02:10:55,239 --> 02:10:56,199
yes sir those are

2765
02:10:56,199 --> 02:11:00,039
the relocated so the new trees they have discretion yes sir

2766
02:11:00,039 --> 02:11:02,600
okay then I take back

2767
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:16,000
everything I I did want to staff did in there in our yes

2768
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:21,479
yeah okay my only

2769
02:11:21,479 --> 02:11:24,930
comment is I'm gonna go ahead and vote for approval with

2770
02:11:24,930 --> 02:11:26,279
the conditions but I

2771
02:11:26,279 --> 02:11:30,289
do want to bring up for the applicants point they're still

2772
02:11:30,289 --> 02:11:31,560
25 percent and

2773
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:35,470
they're only required 20 so they're above and beyond what's

2774
02:11:35,470 --> 02:11:36,520
required and I

2775
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,270
know the reason for that was because of the parking number

2776
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:41,199
of parking spaces but

2777
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:46,250
as far as a minimum they are already above so with that I'm

2778
02:11:46,250 --> 02:11:48,600
going to call for

2779
02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:54,560
a vote hand sign all those in favor of approval with

2780
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:56,119
conditions please raise

2781
02:11:56,119 --> 02:12:01,670
your right hand all those opposed same sign seeing none

2782
02:12:01,670 --> 02:12:03,079
motion carries six zero

2783
02:12:03,079 --> 02:12:05,609
for approval with the conditions congratulations and good

2784
02:12:05,609 --> 02:12:06,159
luck with your

2785
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:17,640
project that will take us to our project matrix and conclud

2786
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:21,239
ing items okay I did

2787
02:12:21,239 --> 02:12:24,270
get the request from the last meeting and I have

2788
02:12:24,270 --> 02:12:26,479
communicated that information

2789
02:12:26,479 --> 02:12:30,250
to Deborah Vieira in Earl's so you should expect an update

2790
02:12:30,250 --> 02:12:31,479
sometime in the

2791
02:12:31,479 --> 02:12:36,119
near future on the ESA request and also the the street

2792
02:12:36,119 --> 02:12:39,000
improvements I'm gonna I

2793
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:43,739
want to gauge your interest for Trico because that is going

2794
02:12:43,739 --> 02:12:45,159
to be coming back

2795
02:12:45,159 --> 02:12:51,829
not for discussion but just for scheduling purposes we've

2796
02:12:51,829 --> 02:12:53,119
we are trying

2797
02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:57,609
to plan an additional work session before we bring the item

2798
02:12:57,609 --> 02:12:58,319
back for

2799
02:12:58,319 --> 02:13:03,340
consideration and I'm wondering do you guys want to do that

2800
02:13:03,340 --> 02:13:04,640
on a regularly

2801
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,560
scheduled work session or would you be open to a special

2802
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,000
call just for trees

2803
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:16,069
I'm just gonna suspend the rules just we'll do discussion

2804
02:13:16,069 --> 02:13:17,800
yeah so my primary

2805
02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:21,970
thought on that is we need to in the legal world you take a

2806
02:13:21,970 --> 02:13:23,119
deposition to

2807
02:13:23,119 --> 02:13:26,899
nail down people's testimony right and I think so I

2808
02:13:26,899 --> 02:13:28,840
parallel that to the tree

2809
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:32,239
ordinance I just I don't care when we meet my only

2810
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:34,039
requirement and request is

2811
02:13:34,039 --> 02:13:38,229
that we nail down a meeting with the certain number of

2812
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:39,840
developers and get

2813
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:46,020
their thoughts captured because last time they came and

2814
02:13:46,020 --> 02:13:47,159
talked to us and

2815
02:13:47,159 --> 02:13:49,579
they were all over the place they didn't agree with each

2816
02:13:49,579 --> 02:13:50,880
other and I just want to

2817
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:54,560
try to solidify that at least get it some sort of record

2818
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:55,760
get them on record

2819
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:59,199
before we have to then listen to them tell us how crazy we

2820
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:01,640
are and and and and

2821
02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:04,590
it's not based on anything so I would like for staff to

2822
02:14:04,590 --> 02:14:06,199
meet and Heyward to

2823
02:14:06,199 --> 02:14:10,340
meet with them and pin them down and then at least we have

2824
02:14:10,340 --> 02:14:11,319
some sort of

2825
02:14:11,319 --> 02:14:14,890
record to say well on Tuesday you said and now that somehow

2826
02:14:14,890 --> 02:14:16,119
that's changed but

2827
02:14:16,119 --> 02:14:20,130
I just the fluidity is in my opinion the problem that they

2828
02:14:20,130 --> 02:14:21,600
kind of vacillate so

2829
02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:25,109
more we could pin them down and whatever that number is it

2830
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:27,119
is but just to get

2831
02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:30,079
them static and then we can kind of move forward so I'd

2832
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:31,359
like for staff to meet

2833
02:14:31,359 --> 02:14:35,760
with whatever developers to kind of get a feel for their

2834
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:37,279
thoughts and then

2835
02:14:37,279 --> 02:14:43,510
before it comes to us I'm personally with Christian Oats

2836
02:14:43,510 --> 02:14:45,000
mith I can meet any

2837
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:48,840
time it needs to be a special call it seems to make sense

2838
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:50,000
to me just to do it

2839
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:54,680
on a Wednesday before maybe it's selfishly but I have the

2840
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:55,199
calendar of my

2841
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:58,579
kind of Wednesdays afternoons blocked off but if I mean

2842
02:14:58,579 --> 02:14:59,520
given lead time

2843
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:09,760
special calls fine okay okay yeah my preference would also

2844
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:11,840
be just a work

2845
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:16,520
session item instead of a special meeting okay and and we

2846
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:17,920
if we know it's

2847
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:21,689
coming and it runs over our hour and a half or whatever we

2848
02:15:21,689 --> 02:15:22,840
might have I'd also I

2849
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:26,260
would prefer just to come in at 9 you know stay after the

2850
02:15:26,260 --> 02:15:27,520
meeting go back into

2851
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:32,340
work session at the end then spread it out over a month or

2852
02:15:32,340 --> 02:15:35,720
two okay so you all

2853
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:41,479
want a special session workshop and then you are wanting a

2854
02:15:41,479 --> 02:15:43,119
regular work session I

2855
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:47,890
guess to clarify I'm just prefer to be on a Wednesday if we

2856
02:15:47,890 --> 02:15:48,359
need with the work

2857
02:15:48,359 --> 02:15:51,619
session up to four to accommodate that's on a regularly

2858
02:15:51,619 --> 02:15:52,640
scheduled day not

2859
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:56,039
yes yes but I'm with the Commissioner Taylor I'm fine

2860
02:15:56,039 --> 02:15:57,439
pulling a late night if

2861
02:15:57,439 --> 02:16:01,069
if the Commission needs to meet at five and on a whole can

2862
02:16:01,069 --> 02:16:02,720
't meet earlier yeah

2863
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:06,560
I think I'm the same and I think if we do some stuff on the

2864
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:08,399
front end it'll

2865
02:16:08,399 --> 02:16:16,750
shorten a lot of the the conversations well having looked

2866
02:16:16,750 --> 02:16:17,760
at a preliminary

2867
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:21,600
draft of it it's quite lengthy so we may need to do that

2868
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:22,920
several times or we can

2869
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:26,619
knock it out with just a special call workshop okay like we

2870
02:16:26,619 --> 02:16:27,239
did the oil and

2871
02:16:27,239 --> 02:16:40,850
gas so it's up to you all yeah I would think two hours two

2872
02:16:40,850 --> 02:16:43,399
hours and so if it's

2873
02:16:43,399 --> 02:16:46,700
okay we can just go ahead and do a full background for

2874
02:16:46,700 --> 02:16:48,239
Commissioner Ellis and

2875
02:16:48,239 --> 02:16:51,729
Commissioner Sullivan at that meeting and then pick up

2876
02:16:51,729 --> 02:16:52,920
where we left off the

2877
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:56,370
last time does that make sense or do you guys have any

2878
02:16:56,370 --> 02:16:58,959
preference so so is it so

2879
02:16:58,959 --> 02:17:02,260
is it dramatically changed or is it similar to what we saw

2880
02:17:02,260 --> 02:17:02,799
in the summer

2881
02:17:02,799 --> 02:17:07,440
it's changed okay and so we're gonna have to reintroduce it

2882
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:11,719
to the DCA the

2883
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:16,680
developers is it what's the anagram for it BCDA thank you

2884
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:18,680
in order to get some

2885
02:17:18,680 --> 02:17:22,379
feedback from them and then we'll bring it forward and and

2886
02:17:22,379 --> 02:17:23,600
do a page turn like

2887
02:17:23,600 --> 02:17:26,719
we did I think that would be helpful a page turn don't you

2888
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,159
okay so do like a

2889
02:17:28,159 --> 02:17:31,639
three-hour work session on a Wednesday okay I think that

2890
02:17:31,639 --> 02:17:32,000
would be more

2891
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,520
beneficial that way you're not coming back again and again

2892
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:35,360
and having to stay

2893
02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:38,559
late again and again in just one work session not a series

2894
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:39,479
well yeah and we'll

2895
02:17:39,479 --> 02:17:42,520
see how we stand at that point if we can get through it

2896
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:43,520
okay

2897
02:17:43,520 --> 02:17:47,700
y'all I'm able to do a special call and try to get through

2898
02:17:47,700 --> 02:17:49,879
it not December right

2899
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:57,079
this would be it's next year I can see your mind twirling

2900
02:17:57,079 --> 02:17:58,920
no we're not gonna

2901
02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:05,159
interfere with vacations so maybe a Wednesday where you don

2902
02:18:05,159 --> 02:18:05,680
't have a

2903
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:09,040
regularly scheduled meeting but you know between go ahead

2904
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:09,799
and do a special

2905
02:18:09,799 --> 02:18:13,229
session and this be after first year sometime January or

2906
02:18:13,229 --> 02:18:15,159
February right we

2907
02:18:15,159 --> 02:18:23,069
need some time to present it to DCDA to present to them or

2908
02:18:23,069 --> 02:18:26,280
present to us okay

2909
02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:33,129
so special call sometime in January maybe towards the end

2910
02:18:33,129 --> 02:18:34,040
of January between

2911
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:36,700
our second and fourth like the third Wednesday that way

2912
02:18:36,700 --> 02:18:37,760
maybe the first part

2913
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:43,409
you can get with DCDA and does that talk about calendars is

2914
02:18:43,409 --> 02:18:44,799
where I want to get

2915
02:18:44,799 --> 02:18:47,100
their calendar out right quick and kind of see what that

2916
02:18:47,100 --> 02:18:48,600
looks like that would

2917
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:56,200
be and help me with that that would be January when are our

2918
02:18:56,200 --> 02:19:00,000
meetings in January

2919
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:08,760
they said the 18th is actually not good for me yeah don't

2920
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:09,959
we have a joint session

2921
02:19:09,959 --> 02:19:12,479
that's trying to happen with council in January - do you

2922
02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:13,399
have the new meetings on

2923
02:19:13,399 --> 02:19:17,420
your schedule I think and the January didn't she said 11

2924
02:19:17,420 --> 02:19:21,200
okay so we could do

2925
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:25,850
it the 18th or the first I have a conflict on the 18th at 6

2926
02:19:25,850 --> 02:19:27,860
p.m. we could

2927
02:19:27,860 --> 02:19:30,340
do it February 1st and that'll give us the whole month of

2928
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:31,280
January to get with

2929
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:38,299
developers and get go back and forth on it well I think it

2930
02:19:38,299 --> 02:19:46,879
's reasonable okay

2931
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:52,989
tentatively February 1st is probably gonna be a problem for

2932
02:19:52,989 --> 02:19:55,479
me so I'm sorry if

2933
02:19:55,479 --> 02:19:59,040
we cannot it's my daughter's 18th birthday it would be

2934
02:19:59,040 --> 02:19:59,959
really tough for me

2935
02:19:59,959 --> 02:20:03,600
to be here talking about trees which I love trees but that

2936
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:04,840
would be a tough day

2937
02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:10,959
for me February 1st but everyone else is okay so could we

2938
02:20:10,959 --> 02:20:12,440
could we just not have

2939
02:20:12,440 --> 02:20:21,760
anything contentious on the January 25th agenda and so well

2940
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:24,879
it's just that

2941
02:20:24,879 --> 02:20:29,159
council only has one meeting in January and so there's

2942
02:20:29,159 --> 02:20:30,639
gonna be a race for

2943
02:20:30,639 --> 02:20:34,440
everybody to get recommendations here to go to council so I

2944
02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:36,000
'm just thinking ahead

2945
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:44,959
that we might have an issue so we'll get with you more than

2946
02:20:44,959 --> 02:20:45,760
likely sometime

2947
02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:48,959
unfortunately sound like maybe February and not the first

2948
02:20:48,959 --> 02:20:50,120
and we'll let you guys

2949
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:55,200
get some dates and figure that out just one comment if I

2950
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:55,239
could sure can we get

2951
02:20:55,239 --> 02:20:57,959
an update on the staff list there's a few changes in there

2952
02:20:57,959 --> 02:20:58,719
including this

2953
02:20:58,719 --> 02:21:04,409
Jarvis so we could get an update on changes so you need an

2954
02:21:04,409 --> 02:21:05,319
updated contact

2955
02:21:05,319 --> 02:21:19,850
list for staff anything else for our project matrix

2956
02:21:19,850 --> 02:21:24,479
commissioner matrix but

2957
02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:29,799
Merry Christmas and happy new year absolutely last meeting

2958
02:21:29,799 --> 02:21:31,000
here a good call

2959
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:36,610
okay with that seeing none others I'm going to close our

2960
02:21:36,610 --> 02:21:38,159
meeting this evening

2961
02:21:38,159 --> 02:21:42,559
at 830 thank you everyone and again Merry Christmas happy

2962
02:21:42,559 --> 02:21:44,760
new year