WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.240 This will be for September the 14th. This meeting was duly 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:05.919 posted and we do have a quorum present and 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:08.619 It is two minutes after four and I'm going to call our 00:00:08.619 --> 00:00:10.259 meeting to order at this time 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:14.130 It's not on our agenda, but I want to introduce we have two 00:00:14.130 --> 00:00:15.039 new members 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.039 Margie Ellis and Steve Solomon and 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.500 Give you guys just a second to introduce yourselves to the 00:00:21.500 --> 00:00:23.879 rest of the commission members and tell us something about 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:25.359 it about yourself Steve 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:27.359 How about you first? 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.679 My wife and I went to North Texas graduated in 72 came back 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.020 about nine years ago and 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:37.079 Here we are 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:39.079 Great welcome aboard 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:41.560 Margie 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.600 Here in Denton since 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.039 1997 when I married a Texan grew up in Michigan prior to 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:49.520 that. I'm a realtor with Keller Williams Realty 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:52.200 And my husband and I are raising two 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:54.679 daughters 17 and 15 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.560 Happy to be here. Great. Thank you. Okay 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:05.109 Since our vice chair is no longer on our commission our 00:01:05.109 --> 00:01:08.280 next meeting we will be looking to do 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.719 nominations for a vice chair election at that time 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.599 You know back to our regular agenda 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:19.510 I'm going to turn that over to Manal for a clarification of 00:01:19.510 --> 00:01:20.480 agenda items 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.400 Thank You chairperson strange 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.269 Any concerns or questions regarding the minutes from last 00:01:26.269 --> 00:01:29.280 meeting we can address this at this forum 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.170 The only point of order I'll have on that is I was absent 00:01:34.170 --> 00:01:35.200 for the August 10th 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.959 So I'm gonna do two separate or ask for two separate 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.260 motions since I'm going to be abstaining from one of those 00:01:41.260 --> 00:01:41.799 votes 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:47.319 Let me have to remove that and put it on and another agenda 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.900 since Andrew's not here and we have to didn't have to rec 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:50.280 use themselves 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.920 From the vote because they weren't here that only leaves us 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:55.920 three requires a four majority vote. So 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.450 24th since I was here, we'll take that separately and on 00:02:00.450 --> 00:02:00.840 the 10th 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:04.079 We'll continue this one in 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:11.639 Okay 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.080 Great 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:18.930 In the interest of our new members, we'll actually go ahead 00:02:18.930 --> 00:02:20.919 and make presentations on our plots tonight 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.020 We'll start with the Julie Wyatt's plant for a preliminary 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:27.199 plot of the rancher vista edition Julie if you would please 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.419 Good evening, I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:37.960 of Denton 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:39.639 this 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.150 Preliminary plot is for a commercial development that 00:02:42.150 --> 00:02:43.039 includes six lots 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.550 That have private access easements in order to gain access 00:02:47.550 --> 00:02:48.919 to all of the lots 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.150 It's on Emory Drive and I'll answer any questions you have 00:02:53.150 --> 00:02:54.039 regarding the plot 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.449 Commissioner bet. Thank you chair. Do we know is this gonna 00:03:03.449 --> 00:03:05.000 be commercial property? 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.800 You do it is okay in the CMG zoning just right right, but 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.300 it's right across the street from single family 00:03:18.300 --> 00:03:21.219 Commissioner Taylor since this is gonna be kind of a 00:03:21.219 --> 00:03:21.840 learning meeting 00:03:22.259 --> 00:03:25.629 Could you explain why we are seeing this plat on our 00:03:25.629 --> 00:03:29.979 consent agenda and another plat on our public hearing or is 00:03:29.979 --> 00:03:30.360 that gonna be? 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:34.120 We were going to touch on it, but we can do it now 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:35.830 I think this would be a good learning experience. 00:03:35.830 --> 00:03:37.889 Absolutely right. Commissioner Taylor. This is a 00:03:37.889 --> 00:03:38.919 preliminary plot 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.469 So typically preliminary plots and final plots. Those would 00:03:42.469 --> 00:03:45.590 be consent agenda items. You do have another plot on your 00:03:45.590 --> 00:03:46.560 agenda tonight 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.599 I believe it's for a replat my correct on that replats do 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.159 require per the Texas local government code public hearing 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:54.479 so 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.680 Sometimes you'll see plots in in consent agenda. That's 00:03:58.680 --> 00:03:59.400 typically where they are 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.830 but if it's a replat which is taking previously plotted 00:04:02.830 --> 00:04:03.740 property and 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:08.000 reconfiguring the boundaries or the number of lots within 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:08.199 it 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.879 That would go as a public hearing 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:18.319 Continue what under what conditions can we deny a plat? 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.670 If they meet the technical requirements of the debt and 00:04:21.670 --> 00:04:25.949 development code, it's a plat would need to be approved. It 00:04:25.949 --> 00:04:26.240 's not 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.600 Discretionary or it's considered ministerial for the 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:30.959 government body 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.329 So whenever it meets the technical requirements, we have no 00:04:34.329 --> 00:04:35.480 discretion to deny it 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:37.980 So that's why we typically put it on the consent agenda so 00:04:37.980 --> 00:04:40.079 long as it meets the requirements 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.720 So the plan actually goes through a thorough evaluation and 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:47.379 analysis from a development review committee comprised of 00:04:47.379 --> 00:04:47.839 subject 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:52.319 Matter experts subject discipline experts. You have your 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:53.120 engineering team 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.689 You have utilities team you have planning and you have to 00:04:55.689 --> 00:04:58.089 make sure all the relevant code requirements actually 00:04:58.089 --> 00:04:59.360 address the 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.040 subdivision of or parceling out of 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.240 Property if those requirements are addressed it becomes an 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:06.889 administrative function for the planning and zoning 00:05:06.889 --> 00:05:08.120 Commission to approve those 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.110 Typically, you will not see a plan if it doesn't meet those 00:05:11.110 --> 00:05:11.639 requirements 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.360 Super thank you. Thank you, Julie 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.160 Julie you may want to stay back you're next 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.439 We have a final plot for the meta oak subdivision and Judy 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.740 Why don't you walk through what's changed in terms of what 00:05:26.740 --> 00:05:29.279 's provided to the Commission certainly and this is the old 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:30.279 version up here 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.100 So it'll it'll give you a clue as to what changed and there 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:37.120 was actually a note that that it has changed 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.740 It was note number six on from what was in your backup all 00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:44.040 of this language has now turned into what you see in front 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:44.279 of you 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.410 And it has to do with a development agreement that was 00:05:47.410 --> 00:05:50.769 approved by City Council last night regarding detention 00:05:50.769 --> 00:05:51.600 facilities 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.569 It's the actual plat is for 43 residential lots and then 00:05:56.569 --> 00:06:00.000 one lot to be dedicated to the city of Denton 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.319 I 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:21.959 Looking for the note 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.560 Julie I think there's some 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:29.720 Conversation we walk through what wording was changed. It 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:29.720 was note number six. Okay, what was it before and what is 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:36.680 it now? 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:39.279 Here it is the before 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.069 So that's gone and now that's gone we now have something to 00:06:47.069 --> 00:06:48.800 understand 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.600 okay, and this it has to do with the detention of 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.800 Water runoff on the site versus now 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.240 The detention is going to be addressed to do the 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.379 development agreement that was approved by City Council 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.069 Okay, so that's not actually shown on the planet says it's 00:07:05.069 --> 00:07:06.600 now in an off-site 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:11.600 Temporary area correct. It's it's in this area right here 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.980 That off-site detention will be in this area right here now 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.680 Okay, so it's not gonna be an HOA kind of a deal no, sir 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:34.079 Any questions on this final plan 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.949 Do you want to help walk through what the difference 00:07:38.949 --> 00:07:43.290 between maybe a preliminary plot is and a final plot at 00:07:43.290 --> 00:07:43.680 this time 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.310 Are we gonna do that later and we're just kind of getting a 00:07:46.310 --> 00:07:49.839 Shandrian's gonna be doing we're getting 101 great 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.790 We'll ask for some patience and new membership we're gonna 00:07:54.790 --> 00:07:57.120 get to all that here in a minute, okay 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.970 Thank you chair, we also have a final plot for Country Club 00:08:01.970 --> 00:08:05.560 Village Mike Bell will present this item 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.759 Thank you, all Mike Bell senior planner 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.300 This is a fairly simple plaid. It's just for five single- 00:08:15.300 --> 00:08:15.800 family 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.449 Lots on an existing street in the Country Club Village kind 00:08:19.449 --> 00:08:21.839 of a south part of town off of 377 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:25.639 And so they're preparing the site for development with 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.279 single-family homes, and that's why you have the plan 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.560 before you tonight so that they 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.330 Record the meets and bounds of each specific lot on that 00:08:35.330 --> 00:08:35.639 plan 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:37.879 on that property 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:40.509 Correct there was a preliminary plot that had about 20 lots 00:08:40.509 --> 00:08:43.480 and then only coming into plot about five at this time 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:45.929 So you probably see some later for the same property for 00:08:45.929 --> 00:08:46.639 the extra lots 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.600 Thank you Mike 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.519 Our next item is for an alternative development plan 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.889 This is an item for individual consideration on your 00:09:00.889 --> 00:09:03.990 regular meeting and Mike Bell is going to present this to 00:09:03.990 --> 00:09:04.159 us 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.159 And he'll walk us through the request 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:08.799 Thank you, Mike 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.600 Again so the purpose of this item will be for y'all to 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.730 consider an approval of an alternative development plan 00:09:14.730 --> 00:09:16.759 with the construction of an office 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.759 development on Dutchess Drive 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.639 Since we have some new folks here an ADP 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.690 It's basically a request to deviate from the site design 00:09:24.690 --> 00:09:26.639 standards in the development code 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.889 The use is already permitted the zoning allows it the 00:09:28.889 --> 00:09:31.370 property has already been platted the infrastructure is 00:09:31.370 --> 00:09:32.440 there. It's simply 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.600 design issues so the layout materials parking lot location 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.460 Landscaping and screening materials and you'll see in this 00:09:39.460 --> 00:09:42.100 presentation which items we're talking about for this 00:09:42.100 --> 00:09:43.000 particular case 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.799 The subject property is located on Dutchess Drive 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.320 It's property shown here in yellow 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:55.419 It's an undeveloped property loop 288 here to the east and 00:09:55.419 --> 00:09:57.759 McKinney Street is the street here to the north and 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.000 It's zone CMG which does permit office developments 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.080 This is the site the proposed site plan of the property you 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.840 see there are two buildings one located here one here 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.440 There's a focus on a central circular parking lot here 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:18.600 an additional parking space in the back 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.679 access from Dutchess behind the building 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.750 The applicant is requesting two deviations from the 00:10:24.750 --> 00:10:25.440 development code 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.269 The first is that our code requires that parking be located 00:10:28.269 --> 00:10:30.399 to the sides or to the rear of the building 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.120 They're proposing this parking lot to be 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.840 in front of the buildings 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.480 purpose of this tonight to mitigate 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.610 The purpose of this really is that they've got a curvil in 00:10:41.610 --> 00:10:42.200 your side 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.200 It's kind of difficult to meet that requirement anyway 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.649 So they are meeting the intent of the development code and 00:10:46.649 --> 00:10:49.000 they're going to provide screening to make sure that 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:50.879 landscape screening to make sure those parking 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.559 Lots are those parking spaces are invisible from the street 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:57.799 the second request is that 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.080 The code requires that any we have a parking requirement 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.330 and if you meet that requirement any spaces over that 00:11:04.330 --> 00:11:06.639 requirement have to be permeable paving 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.940 In other words, they can't be concrete or asphalt. They've 00:11:09.940 --> 00:11:12.110 got to be a special material that allows water to percolate 00:11:12.110 --> 00:11:12.519 through 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:17.399 They can do if they if they chose to do permeable paving 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:19.320 they wouldn't need to be here tonight that can be approved 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:19.720 by staff 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.120 However, they want to construct those of concrete 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.399 Per the code they required for office one space for 450 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.240 square feet which would require the 57 spaces 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.519 They're proposing to do 101 spaces 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.840 Commissioner back. Thank you chair. Yeah, can you elaborate 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:37.159 on why? 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.009 101 spaces or is that something I should probably ask at 00:11:42.009 --> 00:11:43.440 the public hearing I 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.679 Think they be question directed toward the applicant why 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.279 they came up with one-on-one. Okay, but it was I think 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:53.799 But to mitigate that request they're going to provide some 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.730 storm water management and the parking lot islands in this 00:11:57.730 --> 00:11:58.960 location here and 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.200 Here what that'll do is treat some of that additional run 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.240 off from those extra parking spaces 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.980 And it'll filter that water naturally before it goes into 00:12:06.980 --> 00:12:07.440 our pipe 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.830 System and we do have Deborah Vera with environmental 00:12:09.830 --> 00:12:12.169 services who can expand upon that if you need any more 00:12:12.169 --> 00:12:12.919 information 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.720 This is not just a question 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.559 If you go back a slide I send them 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.039 Basically the parking spaces and parking area in blue are 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.759 the additional spaces and that's why the 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.899 Drainage areas or treatment areas are in yellow around 00:12:31.899 --> 00:12:35.360 those not exactly those are these are the okay 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.240 Yes, these spaces here are the ones draining towards the 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:39.720 parking lot island. Okay 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:43.159 Yeah, forgive me. I'm colorblind so I can't see it exactly 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:43.659 very well 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.720 But the intent being that these spaces would be going into 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.679 this one and these spaces into this and those are the extra 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:50.080 spaces 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:53.690 I'm not entirely but the math comes out that roughly the 00:12:53.690 --> 00:12:55.559 square footage would okay 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.440 Would be accounted for in that drink. Thank you 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.230 These are not part of the requests I just want to show you 00:13:04.230 --> 00:13:06.080 for information they do have a building permit in 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.009 This is the elevations of the building being all brick 00:13:09.009 --> 00:13:09.600 building 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.149 They're only proposing to do the one on the north side 00:13:12.149 --> 00:13:14.200 first just helps put in context what's going on 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.200 But this is not at all part of your request 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.470 Little difficult to see but this is the proposed landscape 00:13:22.470 --> 00:13:23.039 plan 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.480 They will have a type C buffer 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:31.240 Which is 15 foot landscape strip with six trees and 25 shr 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:32.559 ubs every hundred feet 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.049 That will be to buffer to the apartment complex to the 00:13:35.049 --> 00:13:35.299 north 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.399 Additionally, they'll provide street trees along Dutchess 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.899 as well as screening of the parking spaces in these 00:13:41.899 --> 00:13:42.480 locations 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.200 And they do plan to develop the side in two phases 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.799 So the leave yellow is the first phase of the permanent is 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:54.200 that we have the permit in now 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.389 Under review and they'll come back later and do the front 00:13:57.389 --> 00:14:00.529 parking area as well as the second building and these 00:14:00.529 --> 00:14:02.259 spaces behind the second building 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:07.820 And the didn't development code does outlined our tier for 00:14:07.820 --> 00:14:12.120 approval of an alternative development plan 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.990 There are five to preserve existing neighborhoods to assure 00:14:14.990 --> 00:14:17.779 quality development that fits in with the character of Dent 00:14:17.779 --> 00:14:18.000 on 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.850 To focus new development towards activity centers to curb 00:14:20.850 --> 00:14:22.679 strip development and urban sprawl 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.139 To ensure that adequate infrastructure is capable of 00:14:25.139 --> 00:14:27.750 accommodating the development prior to the development 00:14:27.750 --> 00:14:30.370 occurring and to ensure that the developers alternative 00:14:30.370 --> 00:14:30.879 proposal 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:33.470 Results in an overall high quality development meeting the 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:34.799 intent of our design standards 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.429 I did outline these in more detail in your backup 00:14:37.429 --> 00:14:40.379 explaining how staff came up to its recommendation 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:42.759 I'd be happy to go into more detail Matt if you'd like 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.590 Based on the criteria for approval and the discussions we 00:14:47.590 --> 00:14:49.799 talked about today staff will be recommending approval 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:51.639 subject to three conditions 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.590 One that the proposed development comply with the site plan 00:14:54.590 --> 00:14:56.799 landscape and phasing plan that they proposed 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.389 to that the primary building material for all all facades 00:15:00.389 --> 00:15:03.320 shall be brick or masonry so what they're proposing and 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.590 Third that the proposed building shall be constructed with 00:15:06.590 --> 00:15:09.179 the same or similar architectural design and materials to 00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:09.960 promote an office 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.019 Campus aesthetic and character the reason for this is they 00:15:13.019 --> 00:15:14.620 come back with a second phase in the future 00:15:14.620 --> 00:15:16.830 We want to make sure that they're meeting their aesthetic 00:15:16.830 --> 00:15:19.000 character that they talked about in their narrative 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:23.139 And with that I concludes my presentations I'd be happy to 00:15:23.139 --> 00:15:24.879 answer any questions but 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:27.759 Commissioner Espin 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:30.159 Do we know the 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:32.919 Maybe misspeaking but the 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.299 Development next to it did they 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:39.480 Do they have a permanent permeable? 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.279 pavement or do they have 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.840 Which development are you speaking of so to the? 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.399 Never east right 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:55.080 All right here apartment complex, I'm not sure whether they 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:56.679 met their requirement or not 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.820 I'm sure that if they didn't they would have had to come 00:15:58.820 --> 00:15:59.419 through PNC 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:07.080 Know that before we because that that's relevant to me. I 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:08.360 mean it's if 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:14.600 Their neighbors aren't at the same standard then you know 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:21.679 Right with me versus if the neighbors had to put in perme 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:21.879 able 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.659 So one it would depend on when this property was 00:16:26.659 --> 00:16:29.139 constructed and we can research that but we have to look at 00:16:29.139 --> 00:16:30.120 our building permits to 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:31.480 ascertain when it was 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.110 Constructed and whether or not an alternative development 00:16:34.110 --> 00:16:36.809 plan as it relates to parking was issued or not. This is 00:16:36.809 --> 00:16:38.240 something we'd have to research 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.809 Ideally if you want the answer to that then part it would 00:16:44.809 --> 00:16:46.610 wouldn't be able to provide that tonight prior to the 00:16:46.610 --> 00:16:46.960 meeting 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.860 And it's also in army 12. So my guess is it had to have a 00:16:50.860 --> 00:16:52.519 specific use permit, right? 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.080 I went through planning and zoning and City Council anyway 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.320 So that was probably looked at as part of their SUP 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:01.559 We have to do that research 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.710 Follow-up question if you go back a couple slides to where 00:17:08.710 --> 00:17:12.660 you're showing the parking lot in two phases or that's good 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:13.599 enough there 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.029 In the backup it talks about this office part being part of 00:17:18.029 --> 00:17:20.960 a larger office park of like 34 acres 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:24.190 Can you show us where the office park is relative to this 00:17:24.190 --> 00:17:25.400 site? Sure 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.470 So we've met with the applicant for this property and they 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:30.799 also own the property to the south down here 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.200 Okay, and their vision is to do an office 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.200 kind of campus 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.440 Down here that they want to do they talked about doing it 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.160 Don't have an ADP for that as well. Sure, but we want to do 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:46.839 kind of enhanced office aesthetic 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.140 They weren't quite ready to do that with this phase. They 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:50.319 're ready to move on this building 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.700 That's why we're here tonight, but I'm sure the outcome 00:17:52.700 --> 00:17:54.359 will be happy to explain to you more about that vision 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.920 Well, it's probably gonna self explainer 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.009 My question was where relative to this site that was 00:18:01.009 --> 00:18:03.400 because on the site itself, there's no 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.849 really access points to the property to the east and so I 00:18:07.849 --> 00:18:08.960 didn't know if 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:14.039 The office park was to the east and long loop 288 or where 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.849 it was for connectivity between this side and any future 00:18:16.849 --> 00:18:17.839 sites, right? 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.869 So it all made it the south and touches and I believe the 00:18:20.869 --> 00:18:23.039 property of the east is not owned by the same owner 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.480 Is that correct? That's correct. This is a different owner 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.539 with the one on the 288. Okay, right. Those are my quick 00:18:29.539 --> 00:18:30.279 commissioner aspect 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.759 Sure, so we typically bring 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:48.829 Most ADPs that come through planning is only commissioner 00:18:48.829 --> 00:18:51.799 either for front parking or for being over parked 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.369 And typically what we asked if you want to do that the 00:18:54.369 --> 00:18:57.259 purpose of the purviewable paving is that you don't exceed 00:18:57.259 --> 00:18:57.480 the 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.000 the drainage requirements 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:01.920 that you don't 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.789 Have extra runoff filtering into our drainage system that 00:19:04.789 --> 00:19:05.980 isn't treated or isn't accounted for 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.069 That you can filter that water naturally through the ground 00:19:09.069 --> 00:19:11.599 and it be treated before it goes into our system 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:16.380 With the permeable paving that that's the intent this dri 00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:16.880 bbles down 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.549 So you're allowed to do that by right if you want to do the 00:19:19.549 --> 00:19:22.279 concrete paving we typically require you to design some 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:22.640 type of 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.430 It's called intelligent stormwater system management. Is 00:19:25.430 --> 00:19:26.200 that correct? I swim 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.000 manual that you can 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.680 engineer your site to collect those areas in a certain 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.680 spots and treat it the same way it would if they just 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:34.880 naturally percolated through the 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.640 Paint the permeable paving spaces. So they've done that in 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:38.059 this case 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:40.829 They've designed the site to run the water to a certain 00:19:40.829 --> 00:19:43.480 location filter it naturally through the ground before it 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:44.359 goes into our pipe system 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:47.519 Again, I'm not the subject of I think we have to ever who 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.549 could probably answer that if that didn't satisfy your 00:19:50.549 --> 00:19:51.279 question 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.740 She would be the subject expert on that type of question 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.660 Okay. No, that's I just wanted to understand that 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.049 So that they're treating the additional route that's 00:20:02.049 --> 00:20:04.789 created from those excess parking spaces through the design 00:20:04.789 --> 00:20:07.160 by draining them towards these landscape islands 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.480 Well, they would typically just get pulled into some type 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:10.759 of a 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.839 Drainage inlet pipe straight into our stormwater system 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.140 It would never be naturally treated by the way they design 00:20:17.140 --> 00:20:18.400 it they are accounting for that 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.119 through drainage to the islands 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.160 Thank you 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:28.119 Any other questions on this particular item 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.720 Thanks Mike 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:46.390 Well, you're flipping paper so I want to be respectful if 00:20:46.390 --> 00:20:47.319 you had a question 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:49.799 Thank You Mike 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.720 we do have a final replant public hearing and 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.450 Haley will come forward and present that to us, which is 00:20:57.450 --> 00:21:00.119 another type of plot that Julie had touched upon earlier 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:14.640 Some Haley's a Gursky assistant planner and this is a repl 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:19.980 ant of the Ryan companies edition 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:22.660 It's located on the west side of town on Dakota Lane 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.680 Currently, there's a manufacturing facility 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:28.970 It's over here on this portion that has all the access eas 00:21:28.970 --> 00:21:29.740 ements on it 00:21:29.740 --> 00:21:32.619 And the purpose of the replant is to separate this into two 00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:34.839 lots to expand the commercial development 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:36.160 And the reason why you see this as a public hearing item 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:41.720 because when you replant 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.750 Residentially zoned property you are required to have a 00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:48.369 public hearing and post a notice according to the Texas 00:21:48.369 --> 00:21:49.319 local government code 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:51.970 And that's why it doesn't fit into a consent agenda at this 00:21:51.970 --> 00:21:52.259 time 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.309 Relatively straightforward plot. They're just subdividing 00:21:56.309 --> 00:21:59.799 an existing plan a lot of record into two specific lots 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:03.359 Thank you 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:07.960 Any questions on the reply 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.279 Super thank you 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.160 We have a zoning change request and Haley is going to dive 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:15.839 into that 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:24.700 All right, so this is case z 1617 for st. John Paul the 00:22:24.700 --> 00:22:29.720 second University pastoral Center 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:34.849 So their request is to consider making a recommendation to 00:22:34.849 --> 00:22:37.480 City Council regarding a rezoning from a downtown 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:38.900 residential one district 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.490 To a downtown residential to district on approximately zero 00:22:42.490 --> 00:22:44.160 point eight seven acres of land 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.920 It's generally located on the east side of McCormick Street 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.180 just south of Eagle Drive 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.569 So you can see here the location just across Eagle from the 00:22:52.569 --> 00:22:53.480 UNT campus 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.789 It's comprised of three lots that are all under the 00:22:55.789 --> 00:22:58.539 ownership of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.230 And just a little bit better view of the area the three 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:05.390 lots have recently been cleared there were three single- 00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:06.160 family homes on them 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.160 Those were torn down and the area 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.960 In general is comprised of a mix of single-family homes 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.660 multiple apartment complexes that are called out here 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.559 That primarily serve the UNT campus and then UNT itself 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.359 starts just across Eagle Drive from this property 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.089 So you can see currently the three lots are zoned dr. One 00:23:27.089 --> 00:23:29.059 their proposal is to go to dr. Two 00:23:29.059 --> 00:23:31.059 Which on this map is the light green color? 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.750 So you can see they do have dr. Two surrounding them to the 00:23:34.750 --> 00:23:37.559 north which was a case you all recently saw for the 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:39.880 apartments on McCormick Street 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:44.640 And there's other zoning districts close by in the area DCG 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.720 and DCN. So the area is kind of a mix 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:49.559 mix of uses and mix of zonings 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.279 So another factor we look at with zoning cases is the 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:57.980 compatibility with the Denton plan and the future land use 00:23:57.980 --> 00:23:59.319 designation for this property is 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.880 neighborhood university compatibility area and 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:05.009 This designation is assigned to areas of residential and 00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:05.720 commercial 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.279 development that are adjacent to and affected by the two 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:12.890 major university campuses we have here in town so UNT and 00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:13.519 TWU and 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.720 the intent of this designation is to help create compatible 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.960 form and land uses for areas that serve both the existing 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:22.039 neighborhoods and 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:24.910 And the universities and we recognize that both of these 00:24:24.910 --> 00:24:26.839 campuses are growing and expanding 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.559 And as they expect that student population to go up 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.109 You know, we look to see more of these cases of the areas 00:24:33.109 --> 00:24:34.859 around them kind of transitioning 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.339 So the considerations we looked at for this case 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.779 The dr. Two proposed zoning district is a logical extension 00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:44.839 of that surrounding zoning pattern 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.500 We saw that it had other dr. Two properties adjoining it 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:49.319 the one to the north which I mentioned 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.529 Just in the past two months was rezoned from dr. One to dr. 00:24:52.529 --> 00:24:52.599 Two 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.579 The dr. Two designation is can or district is consistent 00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:58.440 with its future land use designation 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.140 The downtown residential zoning district is compatible with 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.750 that mix of student and neighborhood development that we 00:25:03.750 --> 00:25:05.079 expect to see in those areas 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.480 And another consideration is that these lots are located 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.839 less than 150 feet from the edge of UNT's campus 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:13.359 So it's a highly walkable 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.119 Vicable area for students and the proposed use is for a 00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.440 pastoral center for the students on campus 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.630 So it's just kind of a logical extension of that growth 00:25:21.630 --> 00:25:23.039 there that's in the area 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.920 and would also be easily accessible by neighbors in the 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.730 existing neighbor in the surrounding single-family 00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:29.759 neighborhood and 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:33.930 the applicant stated that their intent with this room rez 00:25:33.930 --> 00:25:34.839 oning was to 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.640 Increase the maximum lot coverage that they're allowed to 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.400 the amount of development that they're allowed to have on 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:40.920 the site 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.329 So I've called that out here with this zoning change. The 00:25:44.329 --> 00:25:47.880 maximum lot coverage would increase to 75% from 60% 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.799 Hand-in-hand with that the landscaping area that we require 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.000 would then decrease from 40% to 25% 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.440 So that was their primary intent 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.109 I went ahead and provided the other regulations that apply 00:25:59.109 --> 00:26:00.720 to these districts those that you can see 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.390 The scale of the development that would be allowed there is 00:26:03.390 --> 00:26:05.910 still very comparable in terms of the height of the 00:26:05.910 --> 00:26:06.880 building and things like that 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.089 The size of the development that's allowed wouldn't really 00:26:09.089 --> 00:26:11.079 change. It would just be the amount of lot coverage 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.000 and 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.200 Other uses that are allowed in this district 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.200 Would still be fairly comparable with the area 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.359 So 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.450 Here's some photos of the property. This is the north side 00:26:23.450 --> 00:26:25.640 of it. You can see through the photos. They had 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.150 Three separate entrances there that were for those three 00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:29.579 homes which have been cleared 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.680 And it is 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.700 Currently surrounded by a single-family home to the north 00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:36.769 and south the one to the north is intended to be torn down 00:26:36.769 --> 00:26:37.599 for apartments 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.599 in the near future 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.329 So per the local government code notification was sent out 00:26:43.329 --> 00:26:46.630 regarding this 17 notices were sent to properties within 00:26:46.630 --> 00:26:47.440 200 feet 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.880 77 courtesy notices were sent to properties within 500 feet 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.970 and I received two responses to those both of which were in 00:26:54.970 --> 00:26:55.279 favor 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.779 One was included in your backup and the other I put a copy 00:26:57.779 --> 00:26:59.160 of at your desk for you to see 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:04.539 And so based on all those considerations staff recommends 00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:05.599 approval of this request 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.500 Because of its compatibility with the surrounding mix of 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:10.920 uses and zoning as well as its consistency with 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.029 The future land use designation for the property. So I'll 00:27:14.029 --> 00:27:15.279 answer any questions 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.559 Commissioner Taylor, thank you chair 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.150 Is this the same owner that owns the property at the corner 00:27:22.150 --> 00:27:23.519 of Avenue a and Eagle? 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.309 These are all owned by the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth 00:27:29.309 --> 00:27:32.599 right that's the the Catholic Center is Oh corner of Avenue 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:33.200 a and Eagle 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.529 Yes, I believe that is theirs as well and it appears so the 00:27:36.529 --> 00:27:37.799 zoning is kind of funny 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.430 But there you can see the lots how there are two lots that 00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:42.480 are long facing Eagle 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.130 But the zoning is only right now DCN on the front half of 00:27:46.130 --> 00:27:48.700 that Eagle property get back to one of the zoning maps 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.519 Yes, and so I'm just trying to understand is 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.230 And I I guess we'll ask this of the applicant in the public 00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:55.839 hearing 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.359 Do they have any plans to connect these five lots? 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.069 Are they gonna because right now I think there's kind of a 00:28:02.069 --> 00:28:04.420 parking lot and then there's kind of some unused space 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.900 backside of their other property are they going to put 00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:08.519 drives through 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.259 I'm not sure what their intent is there. I do believe they 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:13.480 'll have a representative at the meeting though to answer 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:13.960 that question 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.559 Okay. Thank you 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.500 Mr. Sullivan if I don't understand this is really not for 00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:22.519 living but for like a student 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.049 Campus type thing. Yes. Yeah, it'd be like a campus church. 00:28:27.049 --> 00:28:27.319 Mm-hmm 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:29.819 They intend to replat these as one lot I should have stated 00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:32.309 that earlier and then put one large building on there for 00:28:32.309 --> 00:28:32.720 use by 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.720 the students 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.559 Christian back. Thank you chair and then just to follow up 00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.160 on Commissioner Sullivan's question then 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:44.759 This is a church. This is not like 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.329 Something along the lines of a student union on the college 00:28:48.329 --> 00:28:49.759 campus. It's actually a church 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.180 I'm not sure if they sent that it actually is a church 00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:55.490 It's meant to be kind of a group gathering place for the 00:28:55.490 --> 00:28:56.799 Catholic students on campus 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.670 Okay, just the Catholic students in that other denomin 00:28:59.670 --> 00:29:00.880 ations aren't welcome 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.920 Yeah, it's just a common gathering place for the hang out 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.680 Commissioner Ellis 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.279 The lot that is a single-family home, is it just to the 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.759 north of this is being 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.269 Yes, the lot immediately adjoining to the north that case 00:29:26.269 --> 00:29:29.009 was heard. Would you show it? Would you cursor please where 00:29:29.009 --> 00:29:29.359 that is? 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.400 Yeah, so this lot just directly north of them 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.400 Believe it was a couple of months ago rezoned from dr. 1 to 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.599 dr. 2. Do we know what's happening there? 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.000 They're tearing that down for apartments 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.769 Right, I would like to iterate a couple of points since we 00:29:50.769 --> 00:29:51.279 are talking about 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.509 Zoning what you see before you tonight with this request is 00:29:55.509 --> 00:29:58.730 a request to rezone from an existing zoning district to a 00:29:58.730 --> 00:30:00.519 different zoning district 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.430 In this instance when you review such requests you look at 00:30:04.430 --> 00:30:07.559 all the uses that are permitted from a comprehensive level 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.640 So in terms of whatever is permitted in the dr. 2 district 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.980 is what could potentially be developed on this site 00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:16.700 Should the zoning change request be approved the reason why 00:30:16.700 --> 00:30:19.450 we provide you with some information as in the applicant 00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:20.079 has informed us 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.170 It is their intent to develop this site with what they've 00:30:23.170 --> 00:30:23.779 mentioned 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.359 It doesn't necessarily mean that that's what it would be 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.420 developed within the future. For example 00:30:28.420 --> 00:30:30.869 This is a straight zoning change request and the use is 00:30:30.869 --> 00:30:33.380 permitted in the schedule of uses that I believe Haley 00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:34.420 provided in your backup 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.470 And the uses that would be permitted on the site and then 00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:39.519 again back to the property to the north 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.519 There is intention to develop it with multifamily. But 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.069 again, the zoning district is much broader in terms of the 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:46.119 uses that are permitted 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.160 Continue thank you 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.210 With that being said do they have a period of time that 00:30:55.210 --> 00:30:56.039 they have to 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.680 Tell us what's being developed or the as long as the zoning 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.039 district that they are in 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.869 Permits the use that they want to develop the site with 00:31:03.869 --> 00:31:07.490 they will be able to do so and meet the parameters of would 00:31:07.490 --> 00:31:08.359 you throw up that? 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.630 General regulation. Yes as long as they comply with the 00:31:11.630 --> 00:31:14.319 general regulations of that zoning district 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.940 So in this instance, let's assume that they do get approval 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:19.960 of their zoning change request 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.220 They would have to comply with the minimum lot size and the 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:25.680 lot widths as well as the setbacks as well as the lot 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.720 coverages and the landscaping requirements 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.839 In order to develop their site they would have to do that, 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:32.880 but they would be permitted 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.789 Any of those number of uses that are listed in the 00:31:35.789 --> 00:31:37.240 permitted use schedule? 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.049 Okay, then I guess my the purpose for my question is if 00:31:42.049 --> 00:31:45.039 they did if they don't develop this pastoral center 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:47.420 Are we setting it up to be something that perhaps we don't 00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:49.880 want it to be and that's a fantastic question 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:53.799 And that's why when we do our land use analyses and when we 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.160 provide the report to you 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.599 It doesn't necessarily hone in on that specific use 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.890 It looks it conducts a comprehensive study provides a 00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:05.509 comprehensive evaluation of if the zoning change were to 00:32:05.509 --> 00:32:06.039 happen 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.799 Would it bet is it one? 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.079 Compatible with the surrounding land use pattern with what 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.220 's out there and is it compatible with? 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.970 The comprehensive plan and in this instance, it's not 00:32:18.970 --> 00:32:20.930 compromising either one of those as they're fairly 00:32:20.930 --> 00:32:22.119 comparable districts 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:24.680 And we've also seen a trend in the land use pattern 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.650 changing there and that's why the recommendation from staff 00:32:27.650 --> 00:32:28.319 is favorable 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.380 Commissioner Sullivan, yes is anything dealing with parking 00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:36.000 considered 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.299 I mean if you've got a student union for lack of a better 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:42.039 term and apartments and across the streets 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.039 You've got looks like single-family housing 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.140 How many kids are going to be using this facility and how 00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:50.390 many people are going to be in the apartments and where 00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:51.839 they're going to be parking? 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.890 With the site plan for each one of those developments. We 00:32:54.890 --> 00:32:56.400 would do a parking analysis 00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.960 All those ratios are expounded upon in the development code 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:02.640 And so depending on you know for the apartments 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.670 We would look at the number of bedrooms and units in the 00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:06.880 complex and then determine what number of spaces they have 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:07.400 to provide 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.819 And the same thing will happen with this when they get to 00:33:09.819 --> 00:33:10.339 that stage 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.319 Is there 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:19.700 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. Just to expand on 00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:20.519 that parking thing 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.650 That's why we're seeing the ADP for additional parking 00:33:23.650 --> 00:33:26.759 spaces is because that office park over on Dutchess 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.079 needs some more parking spaces and 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.980 You know they they have to meet the code requirements and 00:33:32.980 --> 00:33:35.440 so every development any apartment a new house 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.660 You know offices retail etc. They're very detailed 00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:40.759 requirements by 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.910 Specific use number of seats if it's a restaurant number 00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:45.299 square footage if it's an office 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.599 You know square footage retail, you know 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.450 all this all these formulas that determine things like 00:33:50.450 --> 00:33:51.119 parking and 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.299 These landscape requirements and then if you're next to a 00:33:55.299 --> 00:33:58.579 different use you might have landscape buffer requirements 00:33:58.579 --> 00:34:01.079 And all of that is in Chapter 17 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.880 in the development code 13 13 sorry 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.380 Yeah, and it's and it's the it's probably the most the 00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:12.360 thing that we look at the most 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.679 influences our decisions the most 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.139 But they do have all those requirements like laid out 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:21.840 So I just wanted to 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.159 Commissioner Ellis 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.369 My concern over it is definitely with parking. I drove it 00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:30.000 yesterday. It's a nightmare over there right now 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.539 I'll tell you that I mean I had to back up my car just for 00:34:32.539 --> 00:34:34.639 somebody to come down the street the other way 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.800 So that was my reason for the question because I don't know 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.480 if we're setting up for a future problem with regard to 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:40.719 that 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.719 And I understand it has to fit into 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:48.159 You know to parameters, but the area is dangerous right now 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.039 Any other questions on this side 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.360 Thank you 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.019 Well, we need to open this for public 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.510 Withdrawn completely okay, we have one other item in our 00:35:12.510 --> 00:35:16.000 work session item see but that the applicant has withdrawn 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:16.280 this 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.239 application so I'll just make an announcement in our 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.210 Public meeting in council chambers and that's going to 00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:25.400 conclude I 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.829 Think all of the items that we have on here for 00:35:28.829 --> 00:35:30.599 clarification items 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.960 But this time we're going to move on in our work session to 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.199 our item a it's going to be ID 16 - 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.199 1215 and 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.829 Chandria and Jarvis is going to make that presentation for 00:35:45.829 --> 00:35:45.960 us 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.699 Okay, good evening, I'm Chandria Jarvis with development 00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:03.380 services and this next work session planning 101 is 00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:04.039 intended to be 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.519 primary for urban planning 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.150 We do want to follow up with some additional sessions to 00:36:09.150 --> 00:36:11.719 delve deeper into the issues that you guys were just 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:12.519 discussing 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.139 But tonight, I'm just going to keep it really basic 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:16.880 in the 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.139 To facilitate our new commissioners and then refresh the 00:36:20.139 --> 00:36:21.880 rest of us if possible 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.119 So I'll start by telling you a little bit about myself I 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.239 Have a bachelor of arts and geography 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.400 With the focus on spatial analysis and demographics 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.380 Which was a primer or precursor to GIS if you guys are 00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:43.960 familiar with that 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.119 And a master of science and community and regional planning 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:48.960 with the focus on transportation 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.559 both degrees from the University of Texas at Austin 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.119 I've been a member of the American Planning Association and 00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.739 a certified planner with the American Institute of 00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:01.119 certified planners since 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:02.960 2003 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.360 I have over 16 years of urban planning experience. I began 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.320 my career with the city of Austin 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.480 Helping out with the long-range transportation plan update 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.239 and from there I went to work for a private consultant firm 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.369 Helping with the feasibility analysis for the statewide the 00:37:21.369 --> 00:37:24.199 Texas statewide toll road initiatives 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.320 I spent a brief period of time 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.730 working with the Indiana Department of the Federal Highway 00:37:30.730 --> 00:37:34.960 Administration learning to do NPO certifications or 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.900 to certify metropolitan planning organizations before 00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:42.119 deciding that Indiana was too cold and then coming back to 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:42.519 Texas 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.000 Where I started got involved 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.750 Well picked up where I left off with the toll roads and 00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:52.039 started preparing NEPA analysis for highway projects around 00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:52.639 the state 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.840 From there I guess about 2007 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.719 Right around the time that the economy turned downturned 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.090 Transportation planning working at least in the consultant 00:38:06.090 --> 00:38:07.000 field dried up 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.929 And I figured there was a good good chance or a good 00:38:09.929 --> 00:38:13.250 opportunity to go back into public sector work where I 00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:13.760 started 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.800 Getting involved in development review and permitting 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.480 And I currently serve as the development review committee 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.880 administrator for the city of Denton 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.239 So my interest in planning and I hope this graphic works 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.079 out stems from my background I grew up in the 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.039 Inner ring server suburb of Dallas Pleasant Grove if any of 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.159 you guys have heard about that 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.429 When I was a child this was a nice area. We had good 00:38:45.429 --> 00:38:48.760 schools good parks good streets transportation 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.570 Places to shop go to the movies. It was a decent place to 00:38:53.570 --> 00:38:54.280 grow up 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.429 Somewhere at the beginning of my freshman year in high 00:38:59.429 --> 00:39:03.360 school the community took a rapid decline for the worst 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.559 Businesses started to close down 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.079 Yeah 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.880 Crime increased and we saw what was really a mixed 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:14.400 community 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.400 working-class community change from 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.400 From that to just primarily black and Hispanic and low- 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:21.800 income 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.960 Crime increase and then we started making the news for just 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:26.199 all the wrong reasons 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.469 I love that we have a t-shirt that shows somebody getting 00:39:29.469 --> 00:39:30.599 put in the back of a car 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.159 So I 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.280 Didn't when I started out my studies at UT 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.400 I didn't realize I'd never heard of urban planning the term 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:44.920 at least 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.019 But I knew I was interested in what made a city tick what 00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:51.880 made it grow and developed and then what elements 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:54.760 made it what was 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.760 Involved when it did decline 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.000 so I was 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.840 Probably without a major for about a year and then I had a 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:02.480 breakdown 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.289 In one of my advisors office like I want something that's 00:40:07.289 --> 00:40:10.199 right in the middle of a lot of math and science and in 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:10.800 liberal arts 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.940 And then she's like well. Why don't you try geography, and 00:40:13.940 --> 00:40:15.119 I'm like can I get a job in that? 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.280 so 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.280 She's like go 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.980 Go take this morning class it deals with urban geography 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.449 And I was like okay took the class started getting AIDS was 00:40:26.449 --> 00:40:28.119 happy with school 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.230 And then from there I still was concerned about making 00:40:31.230 --> 00:40:34.079 money when I got out and so my 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.940 Professor my undergraduate advisor was really good friends 00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:41.280 with the graduate advisor at the planning school 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.369 And he's like well once you go talk to this guy and see 00:40:44.369 --> 00:40:47.760 what he says so I had that conversation and decided to 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.059 Apply for the graduate school so that I can actually get a 00:40:52.059 --> 00:40:53.659 job when I finish my studies 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.440 so with that 00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.460 What is urban planning when you do a Google search you have 00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:02.139 all these different terms pop up 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.780 Defining one particular aspect of planning or another, but 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:09.440 they're really technical and confusing 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.159 So simply to me urban planning is 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.010 Just simply the process that cities use to get from where 00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:22.179 they are to where they want to be 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:26.079 And it encompasses the design of the built environment as 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:27.719 well as the decision-making 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.559 process for public policy 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.570 Urban planning is important because for one it's an 00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:41.559 extension of the police power of the city 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.349 To protect public health safety and welfare which is 00:41:45.349 --> 00:41:47.159 granted by the US and Texas 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.960 Constitutions as well as the city charters 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.849 It also helps us to provide adequate infrastructure for 00:41:54.849 --> 00:41:56.760 water for transportation 00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.559 parks in open space 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.840 public service your fire police EMS 00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.179 As well as affordable housing it helps to preserve elements 00:42:07.179 --> 00:42:10.980 that are important to the community like clean water and 00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:11.119 air 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.800 the natural and environmentally sensitive areas 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.260 Historic places and then ensure social equity and 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:22.800 environmental justice for our residents 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.000 And how is it done 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.230 What you see on the screen are the three most common types 00:42:32.230 --> 00:42:32.519 of 00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.039 Planning when when people refer to urban planning 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:41.699 At the top what how I like to think of it of it is at the 00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:43.500 top you have comprehensive planning 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.800 which is the overall vision and 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.440 pretty much the guide for the city and then you have 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.519 that 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.610 comprehensive plan of that process informs strategic 00:42:55.610 --> 00:42:58.769 planning and it informs the capital improvement planning 00:42:58.769 --> 00:42:59.400 and 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.679 Then you know on the screen. I have 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:03.880 small area 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.880 corridor and neighborhood planning as 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.059 Underneath comprehensive planning because I see that as a 00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:11.159 subset of comprehensive planning 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.719 So I'm going to discuss 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.809 Strategic planning and CIPs and then I'll come back to the 00:43:16.809 --> 00:43:18.000 comprehensive plan 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:26.789 So strategic planning is a focused short-term planning that 00:43:26.789 --> 00:43:33.119 identifies the mission of an organization 00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.500 internal strengths and weaknesses external opportunities 00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:38.199 and threats 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.920 It also has future scenarios for a period of maybe three to 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:43.400 five years 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.130 And it identifies specific goals and objectives to achieve 00:43:47.130 --> 00:43:47.760 a mission 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.000 On the other hand 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.829 CIP planning is a plan for the investment of public funds 00:43:56.829 --> 00:43:58.119 in public infrastructure 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.329 It identifies construction projects like streets drainage 00:44:03.329 --> 00:44:04.360 improvements 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.389 Watering wastewater facilities parks you name it and it's 00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:09.239 typically 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.219 Arranged in increments of one five and ten years and it 00:44:13.219 --> 00:44:16.760 also serves as a guide for the budgeting the funds 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.039 So getting back to the comprehensive plan 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:23.719 the 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:24.920 chapter two 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.409 13 of the Texas local government code enables comprehensive 00:44:28.409 --> 00:44:30.079 planning in the state of Texas 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.489 And again, the comprehensive plan is an overall vision for 00:44:33.489 --> 00:44:33.880 the city 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.880 It's long-range typically 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.000 Painting a picture of what the city intends to look like 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.800 maybe 10 or maybe 20 years out 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.559 In its name is comprehensive looking at the full 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:49.480 geographical 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.880 physical economic and social aspects of a city 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.400 It's collaborative or it should be 00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.170 Involving every potential stakeholder and then it's 00:44:59.170 --> 00:45:03.159 continuous or ongoing to respond to changing conditions 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.480 So what you see here is a diagram of the rational planning 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:11.719 method a 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.519 Lot of people don't really realize we actually go through a 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.059 process when we do our jobs, but we do 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.159 Typically we start with an existing condition survey 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:23.840 that 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.760 we use to go into a visioning process to determine what the 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.789 Ultimate outcome is going to be or at least where we want 00:45:30.789 --> 00:45:31.320 to end up 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.800 From there we identify goals and objectives 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.519 Objectives that we want to meet and then conduct the needs 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:40.679 analysis or gaps 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.039 To see what you know what areas we need to strengthen or 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.440 pay more attention to 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.130 From there typically we have several alternatives or 00:45:50.130 --> 00:45:51.400 scenarios that 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.449 Are obvious and then we kind of sift through those to see 00:45:55.449 --> 00:45:59.780 which new policies or programs we need to implement and and 00:45:59.780 --> 00:46:00.559 then how 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.670 What strategies or actions we need to take and so this 00:46:03.670 --> 00:46:05.119 process continues? 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.440 for however long we deem it necessary and 00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.519 And that also I wanted to point out as you can see public 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:18.159 involvement is integral to that so it's usually 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:22.289 We try to get public input or stakeholder involvement at 00:46:22.289 --> 00:46:25.280 each level and so speaking of that 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:31.039 Who is who is the public we hear that term a lot 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.119 And it's really it's somewhat 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.099 Defined but for the most part in planning at least it's the 00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.659 usual response the usual suspects 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.159 elected and appointed officials city staff 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.920 property owners and residents 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:48.880 business owners 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.880 neighborhood associations 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.760 special interest groups 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.980 Even visitors and tourists to your community so in a 00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:57.320 nutshell everybody 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.489 And many of you are familiar with this being that we just 00:47:04.489 --> 00:47:05.500 went through the 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.760 Denin 2030 up the update, but these are the comp the 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.440 components of a land use of a comprehensive plan 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.079 The first one is what we're most familiar with because we 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:18.880 deal with it as we review 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.579 Zoning and rezoning applications and that is the future 00:47:22.579 --> 00:47:23.400 land use map 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.480 it's basically a an exhibit that shows each of the 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:33.199 land use districts or the future districts identified on a 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:33.519 map 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.440 It corresponds with sections of the city 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.590 You'll typically have a transportation plan or a mobility 00:47:41.590 --> 00:47:42.760 plan that lists 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.690 roadway improvements or transit improvements that would be 00:47:46.690 --> 00:47:49.969 needed to support the vision of the comp the overall vision 00:47:49.969 --> 00:47:50.920 of the comp plan and 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.639 Then on down the list utility infrastructure 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.869 Sometimes you'll see a CIP plan it folded into the comp 00:47:57.869 --> 00:47:58.159 plan 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.840 public improvements 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.980 Like new facilities new police buildings new city halls 00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:06.480 things like that 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.239 economic development strategies 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:11.559 a parks and open space plan 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.000 Affordable housing and then historic preservation 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.199 So now we now that we know what urban planning is and then 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:26.139 what the components of the plan are how do you implement it 00:48:26.139 --> 00:48:26.139 ? 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.519 This is a diagram of the typical land development process 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.480 And what we found is that 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.239 Most of the goals and objectives that are identified in the 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.480 comp plan are realized in the way we 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.699 Develop and regulate land use so pretty much everything we 00:48:48.699 --> 00:48:50.599 identify in the comp plan 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.309 This is sort of like the gatekeeper and in this process 00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:57.039 helps to make sure that we achieve those goals 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.880 Just a second 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.840 So the the various boxes that you see on the screen are 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:14.079 tools that we use for the comp for implementation 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.159 Starting with annexation and going all the way down to the 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.340 building plan review stage ending with the certificate of 00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:21.039 occupancy 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.119 So let's start with annexation a 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.530 Lot of people forget about that as a step in development, 00:49:27.530 --> 00:49:28.599 so we'll cover it 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.309 So annexation is the process by which a municipality 00:49:33.309 --> 00:49:35.039 expands its boundaries 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.039 for cities over 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.739 100,000 in population like Denton we have a five mile ETJ 00:49:42.739 --> 00:49:44.159 area so that 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.380 And that the ETJ is the extra territorial jurisdiction, 00:49:48.380 --> 00:49:52.880 which is the the land that the city can legally annex 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.110 Annexation is general generally required to extend city 00:49:58.110 --> 00:50:01.019 services again the people least fired 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.480 EMS services 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:07.400 voting privileges and then the tax and authority of an area 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:07.679 and 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:12.539 The rules for annexation are found in the in chapter 43 of 00:50:12.539 --> 00:50:14.639 the Texas Local Government Code 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.369 So once we determine that a piece of property is is under 00:50:21.369 --> 00:50:22.360 the city's jurisdiction 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.150 We need to assess whether it has the proper zoning which 00:50:26.150 --> 00:50:28.880 this is a consideration that you guys have before you 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.440 tonight actually 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.920 So zoning is a tool by which cities regulate land use 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.929 And the authority and rules for zoning are found in chapter 00:50:38.929 --> 00:50:42.360 211 of the Texas Local Government Code go ahead 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:44.880 Commissioner back. Thank you chair 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.039 in an 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:48.400 annexation 00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:50.079 You want me to go back? 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.400 if you want to sure there's 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.880 The city has the authority to annex this but then there 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.489 There's the issue of property ownership and they have to 00:51:00.489 --> 00:51:02.400 contend with that, right? Yes 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.250 There's two ways that you can legally annex in the state of 00:51:07.250 --> 00:51:10.679 Texas there's the voluntary annexations for when the 00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.280 area 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.500 The subject area requests to be become a part of the city 00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:18.780 and then there's the involuntary where the city can 00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:19.920 exercise its 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.670 Authority to go ahead and bring those parcels into the the 00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:25.119 area 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.679 Those those places that I described in the ETJ 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.710 Those are places that the city can bring into the in the 00:51:31.710 --> 00:51:33.199 full-purpose limits 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.869 But the property owner if they object in there are we 00:51:35.869 --> 00:51:38.659 dealing with some legal issues here before the process is 00:51:38.659 --> 00:51:39.159 complete? 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.159 Go ahead 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.599 There's really no mechanism by which an objection would 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.599 necessarily stop an 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.699 Involuntary annexation and there's several ways to do it. 00:51:50.699 --> 00:51:52.119 We're a homeworld city. So we have 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.659 Broad authority in the annexation usually generalized 00:51:55.659 --> 00:51:59.619 cities, which are anything under 5,000 in population. They 00:51:59.619 --> 00:52:00.900 have less authority. So 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.840 it's so that we can protect our outer periphery and 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:07.989 Typically a parcel in order to be annexed has to be 00:52:07.989 --> 00:52:10.199 actually adjacent to the city limits 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.570 So it's not just any place out in the ETJ. It's going to be 00:52:13.570 --> 00:52:16.150 something that's directly affecting our city limits and our 00:52:16.150 --> 00:52:16.940 citizens. So 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.909 The legislature there's been bills introduced that have 00:52:21.909 --> 00:52:24.519 looked to limit that authority with 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.210 Property owner participation, but they have not passed. So 00:52:28.210 --> 00:52:32.079 at this time, there's really no function for objection 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.360 Thank you 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.510 Were there any more questions on this or do we are we ready 00:52:38.510 --> 00:52:39.559 to go? Okay 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:45.190 So zoning again is the tool by which cities use to regulate 00:52:45.190 --> 00:52:45.840 land use 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.050 The authority for that is found in chapter 2 11 of the 00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:50.519 Texas Local Government Code 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.110 Zoning is carried out in accordance with the comprehensive 00:52:54.110 --> 00:52:55.280 plan or it should be 00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.329 And it only applies to the area within the full purpose 00:52:59.329 --> 00:53:01.840 limits of the city and not the ETJ 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:06.119 So the zoning requirements the for land use the lot 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.559 dimensions density 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.880 Those things don't extend do not extend to the ETJ 00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.239 Zoning is approved by City Council with the red zoning and 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.440 rezoning are approved by City Council with the 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:21.280 recommendation from the PNZ 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.829 The purpose of zoning is to provide beneficial and 00:53:27.829 --> 00:53:31.960 appropriate development to protect the character of an area 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:33.880 and to minimize land use 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.039 incompatibility 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.960 It's also used to allow for the highest and best use of a 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:40.679 property 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.400 A zoning ordinance typically include 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.940 Consists of two components you'd have the text which are 00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:51.519 the regulations with the list of allowable uses 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.420 The chart that Haley showed earlier all of the density the 00:53:56.420 --> 00:53:57.679 lot with the dimensions 00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:00.710 Those those types of things would be spelled out and then 00:54:00.710 --> 00:54:04.039 you have a zoning map that's arranged by districts 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:07.590 So it'll be a diagram depicting which which zoning 00:54:07.590 --> 00:54:11.079 districts are located in which areas of the city 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.929 So a zoning designation that permits the intended use is 00:54:16.929 --> 00:54:21.000 required before a project can proceed 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.880 A rezoning may be needed if the proposed use does not fit 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.059 into the existing zoning district 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.280 so if you have a 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.920 Say you have a residential zoning district the applicant 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.719 wants to do something like a 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.000 Convenience store they may need to to request rezoning to 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.079 do that particular use and then depending on 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.199 How it fits in the land you in? 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.119 in the land use plan 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.550 Compatibility with the Jason uses it could be approved and 00:54:53.550 --> 00:54:56.199 one thing I didn't put in my notes is that 00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.760 And I think we spoke to it a little bit earlier 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:03.800 Zoning is a discretionary activity by the city. So we have 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.599 we can say no to the request 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.960 Whereas subdivisions are pretty much 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.570 Ministerial which if they meet the and I'll get into that 00:55:12.570 --> 00:55:16.079 if they meet the requirements we have to approve it. Oh 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.519 Speaking of 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.199 Funny how it happens 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.159 So the subdivision requirements are found in chapter 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.960 211 of I'm sorry 212 of the Texas local government code and 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:36.880 subdivision not a lot of people equate to 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.880 subdivisions with the residential subdivisions that they 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.780 live in but it's actually when we talk about subdivisions 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.789 It refers to the division of land into one or more parts 00:55:45.789 --> 00:55:48.559 for the purpose of sale transfer or development 00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:53.360 And like zoning is used to regulate land use 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.219 Subdivision is used to regulate lots and street patterns 00:55:57.219 --> 00:55:59.460 right away easement right of way 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:03.179 Easements and public improvement dedications as well as 00:56:03.179 --> 00:56:03.880 parkland 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.860 I'm subdivision approval grants legal lot or I guess and 00:56:10.860 --> 00:56:14.820 then we say lot of record status 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.000 Which is required before any improvement can be made on a 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:18.280 lot 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:22.199 And like I said PNC must approve a subdivision if it meets 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.599 our local and state requirements 00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.230 So this is a diagram of what a plant looks like you guys 00:56:29.230 --> 00:56:33.659 have seen that probably a million times right now 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.000 the subdivision plat the plat is actually a product of the 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.719 subdivision process and 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.000 Well, I guess I should say the product of the subdivision 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.320 plant process is the final plat and 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.969 Things to remember about a final plat is that one is a 00:56:50.969 --> 00:56:51.980 legal document 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.380 It gets recorded with the county clerk's office so that it 00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:59.280 can be researched and that you know, it's public record for 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:03.300 Everybody to see and it never expires once it once it's 00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:06.969 recorded, although it can be vacated and amended upon 00:57:06.969 --> 00:57:07.840 request 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:13.519 And 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.260 Earlier you had you received a handout that has is 00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:19.420 basically our cheat sheet for the various types of plat 00:57:19.420 --> 00:57:20.280 applications 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:23.880 We can go through all of those if you want 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:28.159 Or we can just let you read through the handout 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.199 Want to review those? 00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:33.199 Okay 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.650 Well, I'll just point out really quickly the ones that are 00:57:36.650 --> 00:57:38.320 in the white bold 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.769 Text actually get recorded with the county and the other 00:57:41.769 --> 00:57:44.889 two are they get approved by PNC, but they don't get 00:57:44.889 --> 00:57:45.619 recorded 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.320 So just FYI 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.929 And this is what I like to know about what are the 00:57:52.929 --> 00:57:56.760 exceptions before you go in there we may also want to 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.679 Mention that in the ETJ we do have platting authority, but 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.360 we have an interlocal government 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.690 Agreement with the county that we will only plat in what's 00:58:08.690 --> 00:58:11.440 called area one and there's a specific designated area for 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:11.719 that 00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:16.150 And we do not preliminary plat in the ETJ. We only final 00:58:16.150 --> 00:58:18.480 plat. So you'll only see final plats for those areas 00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:20.599 That's a good point. Thank you 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:23.880 I 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:25.880 Always like to know the exceptions 00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.860 No plat is required if the tract existed in its current 00:58:29.860 --> 00:58:32.280 configuration before the lot came into the city 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.840 Or it existed in the current configuration prior to the 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.800 subdivision ordinance which in the city of didn't I think 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:40.000 that's 1960 00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.710 Or it meets any of the exception criteria found in chapter 00:58:43.710 --> 00:58:46.360 212 of the local government code 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:50.280 The most common exception that we're presented with is the 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:50.980 five acre 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.880 the five acre 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.179 Provision so in the local government code attract this over 00:58:57.179 --> 00:59:00.239 five acres and does not need utility improvements is 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.559 exempted from the planning process 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:09.750 In the city though the the code is 40 acre minute minimum, 00:59:09.750 --> 00:59:11.360 so there's a little bit of a different 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:20.010 All right, so the properties annexed it has the proper 00:59:20.010 --> 00:59:22.360 zoning it's been planted or subdivided 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:26.170 The next step is site planning or and that's the next tool 00:59:26.170 --> 00:59:29.190 that we have to implement the the goals and objectives of 00:59:29.190 --> 00:59:29.960 the comp plan 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:35.760 So a site plan is a set of engineering and architectural 00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.679 drawings that shows the layout of a proposed site 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.960 It's required for all multifamily and non-residential 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:43.360 developments 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:47.320 With the site plan you can regulate building placement 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.440 appearance architectural standards 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.239 landscaping and buffering 00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:54.599 circulation 00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.989 Parking location signage driveway those elements of a site 00:59:57.989 --> 00:59:59.719 that make it make it function 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.280 It's important because it ensures it helps to ensure that 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.030 the project complies with the development code and code and 01:00:09.030 --> 01:00:09.599 standards 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.090 It also allows for a detailed site review and better 01:00:13.090 --> 01:00:16.030 coordination between disciplines which helps to identify 01:00:16.030 --> 01:00:17.239 issues and 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:20.099 resolve conflicts that could result in delays 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:24.869 it also provides for predictability and helps to streamline 01:00:24.869 --> 01:00:28.360 the building plan review process and it allows the site to 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.440 Proceed with the lateral improvements before it can go 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.320 vertical with the building plan 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.360 Review which I'll get to in my next slide 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.679 So to me even though I'm in current planning 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.079 I think this is the most critical part of development 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.280 review because this is where it all becomes reality 01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:51.920 So I'm not too versed in this but I'm gonna do my best 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:58.360 So the building plan review is for the design elements and 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.719 is where the design elements and code compliance for all 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:03.280 architectural 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.280 structural mechanical 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.679 Electrical plumbing and life safety aspects of the project 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:10.920 building 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:12.920 Permits are required for new construction 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:15.960 alterations to existing buildings 01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:17.440 additions 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:19.440 repairs accessory structures 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.280 Fences a lot of cities don't do fence permits, but we do 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.960 this FYI 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.199 signs and then monuments 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:34.980 Of the building permit process this is the most crucial 01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:35.280 step 01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.409 So which is the certificate of occupancy and the CEO is not 01:01:39.409 --> 01:01:43.119 separate from the building permit, but it is the product of 01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:43.380 that 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.920 review process 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:50.179 It's an actual document that allows a business to occupy 01:01:50.179 --> 01:01:52.519 and operate at a specific location 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:56.079 And it's required for a new use or a new structure 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.579 Changing a tenant or changing a use 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.679 So putting it all together 01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:07.679 That was a lot quicker than I thought it would be 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.389 So with this presentation, I hope that you now understand a 01:02:12.389 --> 01:02:14.639 little bit more about what urban planning is 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:19.800 that you know the importance of a comprehensive plan and 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.239 That you can identify tools for the comprehensive plans 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.199 implementation and my goal is that you see the city now the 01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:27.960 way we see it 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:33.659 Now you I know I find myself doing that you'll be out at a 01:02:33.659 --> 01:02:36.400 bar counting the number of parking spaces 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.730 Are you being a restaurant checking to see if the CEO is up 01:02:40.730 --> 01:02:40.800 to date? 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.199 It could just be me 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.670 Or you know find yourself wondering if that hey would if 01:02:47.670 --> 01:02:50.920 the construction site is has gone through all the proper 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:51.400 channels 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.119 but this is a little bit of how we work and 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.280 You'll find yourself doing that too 01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.280 But with that that's the end 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.280 And I appreciate your attention 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.199 You're welcome 01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.199 any questions 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.559 Commissioner Sullivan is there any way we can get a copy of 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:13.199 your presentation sure I can be emailed it to you 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:16.719 All right 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:21.150 Thank You Shandrin, just thank you very much you're sharing 01:03:21.150 --> 01:03:25.679 your passion and your knowledge. Thank you. Thank you 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.320 All right, I think we're going to take a recess 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:45.360 Okay, we have a scheduling question, so we're going to 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:48.519 pause for just a minute while that gets clarified 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.079 We anticipate going just a little longer 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.119 Yes, the bottom would be in a little later, so we're just 01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:08.920 going to call her quickly and see if she can 01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.070 Consider this but we'd be more than happy to if we want to 01:04:12.070 --> 01:04:14.599 just talk about it once we close the work session 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.039 There any questions we'd be happy to discuss them 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:25.550 Well I'm gonna open the floor to Commissioner Sullivan or 01:04:25.550 --> 01:04:28.019 Ellis to see if you have any follow-up questions 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:32.519 Procedure questions we typically if you have a question 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:36.000 When we go into council chambers, there'll be a button that 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.559 you can press and be a request to speak that lets me know 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:38.840 that 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.670 You want to ask a question? We're in here informally just 01:04:41.670 --> 01:04:42.239 wave your hand 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:44.050 I'll call on you recognize kind of like what we've been 01:04:44.050 --> 01:04:47.719 doing and have the floor to speak occasionally we may have 01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.539 Subject that comes before us that's gonna have a lot of 01:04:51.539 --> 01:04:53.800 questions and we may in those instances 01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:57.880 Have a request to suspend the rules and that allows us to 01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.119 have a much more 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:01.989 free-flowing discussion without having to be formally 01:05:01.989 --> 01:05:05.440 recognized and so as commissioners back and forth we may 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.800 Allow us to talk more freely versus Commissioner Sullivan 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:13.599 chair straight. Mr. Ellis and so that helps sometimes 01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.550 So if we get into a situation where there's a lot of 01:05:16.550 --> 01:05:19.519 questions and a lot of points of view may ask for 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.000 suspension of the rules 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:25.800 Typically the only people 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.539 Allowed to either be at the dice here or in there or 01:05:28.539 --> 01:05:31.239 commission members only we do have occasion 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.400 we'll have an exception where may have a 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:36.119 child 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:38.119 possibly from 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.360 Babysitting circumstance or something very unique. So it's 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:44.989 typically there's only people that are going to be on the 01:05:44.989 --> 01:05:47.000 Commission that will be allowed at 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:50.119 Dias just for your information going forward 01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:55.079 Those will be some things those are kind of 01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:58.199 Sure 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.199 we will 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.340 As we go into council chambers 01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:04.880 usually they'll be 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:07.699 Sometimes they'll be passed along to each Commissioner 01:06:07.699 --> 01:06:10.909 member or they'll just come directly to me for requests to 01:06:10.909 --> 01:06:12.039 speak. There'll be a 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.320 cards and they're color-coded some of the cards will 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.280 actually just have a 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.239 Member of the public that wants to record some comments or 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.030 Recognize their name the their address and then what their 01:06:28.030 --> 01:06:30.599 comment is and have those read into the record and 01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:32.320 sometimes they'll request to speak 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:34.940 When they come to speak they'll give again their name and 01:06:34.940 --> 01:06:38.119 address and then they'll typically have four minutes 01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:42.000 to share their thoughts about whatever either item that we 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.119 're currently discussing and sometimes they may share their 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:45.880 thoughts on a 01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:48.320 broad range of 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.559 topics that may or may not 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:54.679 Have you know direct influence on what we're 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.489 The item that we're discussing. So if you'll see the cards 01:06:58.489 --> 01:07:01.400 are handy-rangle, what are those that they're about a 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:04.590 Probably about a six by eight card and there's gonna be 01:07:04.590 --> 01:07:07.679 some different colors and there's white blue. Is it? 01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:10.239 white yellow and blue 01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:12.539 So there'll be three different. So if you see those those 01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:16.110 are what are being handed around and what may come directly 01:07:16.110 --> 01:07:16.639 to me 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:22.559 Great point another procedure issue is 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:25.039 as we get 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.079 into our council chambers 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.440 There'll be some things that will be consent agenda items. 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.639 And so we'll look for a motion 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:36.119 You're free to make a motion 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:40.440 State your motion whether to approve or or not approve 01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.260 There's an item you want to discuss one of the second 01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:45.679 hopefully on that and we'll open it for 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.159 I'll open the floor then for discussion or additional 01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:50.679 comments or questions 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:53.530 And if there is none then we will call for what's called a 01:07:53.530 --> 01:07:54.280 vote on the board 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.619 Your screen will will pop up again and it will have a spot 01:07:57.619 --> 01:07:58.119 for yes 01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:02.780 Or no and you can can take our vote that way and then it'll 01:08:02.780 --> 01:08:04.900 be projected up on the screen as to how that 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.679 Goes forward as we move on through some of these 01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:11.760 The 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.849 The items on the consent agenda can actually be approved 01:08:14.849 --> 01:08:15.280 all together 01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:18.279 So you don't have to do separate missions for those just so 01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:18.840 that you know 01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:21.470 And I'm gonna get together with them and go over a lot of 01:08:21.470 --> 01:08:21.960 the rules 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:24.399 Later time before the next meeting 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:27.560 And just so you know, okay 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.880 So then after we'll do our consent agenda then we'll go 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.829 To our items for individual consideration. Those are one at 01:08:36.829 --> 01:08:37.439 a time 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.970 Those items don't require a public hearing so we don't open 01:08:41.970 --> 01:08:44.239 the floor then to ask people to come out and speak 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:46.579 Those are items that are just presented here before 01:08:46.579 --> 01:08:47.159 Commission 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.859 One of the nice things that we've done I would say if in my 01:08:50.859 --> 01:08:53.949 experience and probably Commissioner Taylor's as well over 01:08:53.949 --> 01:08:54.359 the years 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:58.279 Is I I really enjoy the way that our work sessions are now 01:08:58.279 --> 01:08:59.159 structured 01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.399 We now have a presentation pretty much on each individual 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:03.899 item here in work session 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.949 Which gives us I think a whole lot more opportunity to ask 01:09:06.949 --> 01:09:07.439 questions 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:12.619 To vet out anything that that may not be clear so that when 01:09:12.619 --> 01:09:15.180 we do go in to our public meeting 01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:18.000 I think all the commissioners in have a much better 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.510 understanding if there were some questions about all the 01:09:20.510 --> 01:09:22.000 things that are in our meeting 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:24.560 versus in our 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.180 Public session that there may be some things that we just 01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:29.720 are housekeeping items and questions that can be handled 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:30.439 pretty quickly here 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.529 And then don't take a lot of time in our public hearing 01:09:33.529 --> 01:09:36.939 where we have people that are coming in and sometimes 01:09:36.939 --> 01:09:38.680 waiting hours 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:43.210 Sometimes so be prepared for that some meetings will go 01:09:43.210 --> 01:09:43.720 fairly quickly 01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:46.409 And then there's sometimes that we might be into the next 01:09:46.409 --> 01:09:46.659 day 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:50.760 We've had that happen 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:58.920 Yeah, we take a few breaks and you know zero times two yes 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.149 Because we've had that history in the past with a number of 01:10:04.149 --> 01:10:07.279 issues. I think it was it was a good 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.380 Recognition on staff's part that a lot of times. It's it's 01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:17.560 easier and and more time efficient for not only 01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:19.960 Commission but primarily for public 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:23.260 To have a lot of this discussion like what we've had this 01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:25.939 evening that we can can ask questions and hopefully get all 01:10:25.939 --> 01:10:26.239 those 01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:28.199 Answered and if if not 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:30.750 Hopefully staff between the time that a question may be 01:10:30.750 --> 01:10:32.100 asked here at work session 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:35.779 Has an opportunity to go do some research and then can come 01:10:35.779 --> 01:10:39.840 back when we actually meet in council chambers and provide 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.859 That information I think we had a question a little earlier 01:10:42.859 --> 01:10:43.920 this evening about 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.500 Maybe a property to the north and that may be something we 01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:50.800 don't know we'll need to do some research and staff can 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:51.920 sometimes come 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:55.229 Back either work session or in our public meeting and add 01:10:55.229 --> 01:10:58.000 that information that was requested earlier 01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:00.239 So again, I think that helps 01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.979 The process move forward versus well I asked a question 01:11:03.979 --> 01:11:06.680 I wasn't able to get an answer either in work session or 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.199 public and so now we want to do a 01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.199 continuation of the item because I don't have enough 01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:13.960 information as a commissioner to feel comfortable to make a 01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:17.279 recommendation for or against this item and then 01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:21.489 That affects the applicant and delays possibly their 01:11:21.489 --> 01:11:23.720 project. So again, I think it is a 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:28.590 Hats off to staff. I think this is a much better way for us 01:11:28.590 --> 01:11:28.800 to 01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:31.359 process our agenda 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:34.270 In these work sessions and and have individual 01:11:34.270 --> 01:11:36.199 presentations going forward 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.470 and then once we move through the items for individual 01:11:40.470 --> 01:11:43.079 consideration of our public hearing items and 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.960 the way that those will work is that I will open the floor 01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:47.279 and 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.789 Introduce to open the floor that is a public hearing. I 01:11:51.789 --> 01:11:53.000 will introduce the item 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.789 We'll take all of our public comment, which will be the 01:11:55.789 --> 01:11:58.239 cards and then we will also at the very end 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:02.359 If there are no cards will ask for anybody else that wishes 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:05.180 to speak to come forward at this time before I'm going to 01:12:05.180 --> 01:12:06.079 close the public 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:08.939 hearing and hopefully that gives everybody who has an 01:12:08.939 --> 01:12:11.760 interest in this particular agenda item the 01:12:11.899 --> 01:12:14.989 Opportunity to either have submitted an item by card or 01:12:14.989 --> 01:12:16.359 come forward 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:20.199 publicly and state their issue 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:23.470 With a card or if they haven't done a card they still can 01:12:23.470 --> 01:12:24.000 come forward 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.789 But when the after they've given their input we do ask them 01:12:26.789 --> 01:12:29.819 for the record to fill out a card before they leave 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:33.520 We'll then close the public hearing. We'll go back then to 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.840 Discussion 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:40.279 Or to a motion first and second and there are all of our 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:43.199 meetings are run under Robert's rules 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.119 so if there 01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:48.119 can get to be 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:50.439 motions amended motions 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:52.760 friendly or not friendly 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:56.770 And withdrawn and those will be things if that's of 01:12:56.770 --> 01:12:58.079 interest to you 01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:02.560 To read up on that you may we do have 01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:05.319 staff here that is very knowledgeable to give 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:09.199 the Commission direction of proper procedure of an 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.880 application of Robert's rules if there is a 01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:15.739 Technicality of how that is to be applied so we aren't on 01:13:15.739 --> 01:13:18.039 our own just to we hope we got out 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.800 We do have staff that can can help with that and then again 01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:23.939 once we get to a place that we do have a second 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:27.539 For a motion then we will call for a vote on the board and 01:13:27.539 --> 01:13:29.520 if it passes we move the next item 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:34.350 If the motion may fail for whatever the case we may look 01:13:34.350 --> 01:13:35.159 for another 01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.890 Motion on that particular item depending on how the case 01:13:38.890 --> 01:13:39.319 may be 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:43.130 Before we move on to our next agenda item and then the 01:13:43.130 --> 01:13:45.800 final thing that we will have here on 01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:49.840 Our agenda this evening will be our 01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:55.520 Project matrix and concluding items and that's the 01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:59.119 That's time to it's kind of our 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:04.819 That is our opportunities commissioners if we have 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.390 Items that we have an interest in hearing more information 01:14:08.390 --> 01:14:09.279 about 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.880 items that we have concerns about if we've had a 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.149 member of the public come to us and say I'd like to hear an 01:14:17.149 --> 01:14:19.680 update and that's something that you feel like is 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:24.039 An item that needs to be brought before the P&Z Commission. 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.359 This is the time in our meeting where 01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:30.789 You will be recognized given your opportunity to present 01:14:30.789 --> 01:14:34.020 those items and then they come on to our 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.680 project matrix that at whatever 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.920 Time depending on what the item is staff will do all that 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.039 they can in a timely manner to get those into our agenda 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.050 We may have a presentation or report just like we had this 01:14:49.050 --> 01:14:50.579 evening come urban planning 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:53.930 About whatever item it is that either you or other 01:14:53.930 --> 01:14:55.880 commission members have have brought forward 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.319 The one thing I will tell you that we've had a 01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.560 Little bit of issue and had staff 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:06.170 Correct us a little bit under their under those concluding 01:15:06.170 --> 01:15:06.600 items 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:10.060 We're not to get into a discussion about it at that time 01:15:10.060 --> 01:15:13.399 because it hasn't been publicly noticed 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:16.829 So we're not to really have take the opportunity then to 01:15:16.829 --> 01:15:19.399 start discussing back and forth and have enough 01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:22.729 Public meeting about an item that wasn't on the agenda. So 01:15:22.729 --> 01:15:25.880 it's it's it's primarily appropriate. I mean if there is a 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:27.539 quick question great 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:31.130 But we do want to avoid a lot of discussion about it's 01:15:31.130 --> 01:15:32.500 mostly just there's an item 01:15:32.500 --> 01:15:34.390 It's important to me and I'd like to see it placed on the 01:15:34.390 --> 01:15:35.859 agenda and that's really what 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.829 That time is allotted for that that each of us has an 01:15:39.829 --> 01:15:43.180 opportunity and after that will obviously conclude our 01:15:43.180 --> 01:15:44.319 meeting at that point 01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:48.920 I skipped over really kind of a more of a housekeeping item 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:52.189 We always open our meeting with pledge the US and Texas 01:15:52.189 --> 01:15:56.119 flag and if we have minutes like we do this evening will 01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:58.439 approve of our minutes 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:02.359 I would say going forward I think it helps 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.949 if you if you as you are on the Commission as you review 01:16:05.949 --> 01:16:08.840 the minutes if you see something in the minutes that is 01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:12.399 Not correct or there was 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.489 It wasn't interpreted the way that you intended your 01:16:16.489 --> 01:16:18.119 comment. I would ask 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:23.420 As chair bring that to us in work session. It helps a whole 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:26.159 staff and us 01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.310 To work through what the change needs to be in here versus 01:16:29.310 --> 01:16:30.680 we're doing it in 01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.119 council chambers and 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:37.000 Trying to get the words correct. So I think it helps a lot 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:37.159 to 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.159 Craft that and find it in here work session again 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.439 We just take it very straightforward in our council meeting 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:47.359 to make those corrections to the minutes of our meeting. So 01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:51.439 Great 01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:56.960 Question I've got a note on here for myself. So that is a 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.000 Procedure rule that we have if you miss a meeting then we 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:02.359 ask 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:05.699 Or or not part of a meeting whether you have just come on 01:17:05.699 --> 01:17:09.199 the Commission or in the future you miss a meeting just 01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:11.880 abstain from those minutes since obviously you weren't a 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:13.119 part of the meeting and so 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.850 I'm gonna be abstaining from one of them this evening 01:17:16.850 --> 01:17:19.529 because I was not in attendance at one of the minute 01:17:19.529 --> 01:17:20.239 meetings 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:24.060 And I'd say just a housekeeping thing. I've made a note and 01:17:24.060 --> 01:17:26.560 may have mentioned earlier if we have more than one set of 01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.939 Minutes if there is a question about them, we'll take them 01:17:30.939 --> 01:17:32.199 in in two separate 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.920 Motions that way if there is a change on one we can make it 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.720 Vote on it and then come to the second set of minutes 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.130 We are gonna have to continue on on August 10th, that's 01:17:46.130 --> 01:17:46.920 correct 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.130 So I've got that a note to our next meeting do we want to 01:17:53.130 --> 01:17:55.520 have a date certain and let me know on that or 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.439 I'll just put it as next meeting means fine. Okay 01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:04.140 In a nutshell, that's I hope the the fire hose 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.090 Downloads for you. I know there's a lot of information to 01:18:09.090 --> 01:18:12.119 to gather and absorb not only just in procedurally 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.399 how we do things but also 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:17.239 And all the things that will come before us as Commissioner 01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:17.520 . So 01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:23.159 Any questions anything else that we can answer or help or 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:24.960 provide at this time 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:33.920 We'll hear that tomorrow 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:38.920 Sure 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:44.640 I 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:49.890 Think I can answer that but I'm gonna let staff because I 01:18:49.890 --> 01:18:53.119 know that note they'll just ace that one 01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:55.520 Yeah, there won't be any misspeaks on my part 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.439 Generally consent items are ones that are routine in nature 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.319 . They're something that's like a day-to-day 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:08.720 Like contracts or something like that that doesn't require 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.680 a lot of consideration or discretion 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:14.880 And 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:18.000 For example here. It's mostly for our plats because they're 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.560 ministerial. So there's not a lot of discretion 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.630 You won't see anything else here at PNC that will be on the 01:19:24.630 --> 01:19:25.359 consent 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:32.359 Well, the statutes require certain items to have public 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:37.010 hearings and the ones that don't would be an individual 01:19:37.010 --> 01:19:38.739 consideration 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:44.039 It should be 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.560 Are you talking about the ADP? 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:50.340 The ADP is a creature of ordinance not statute and it does 01:19:50.340 --> 01:19:52.079 not require a public hearing 01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:54.159 So it's an individual consideration item 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:57.649 So it either falls in one or the other if it's not consent 01:19:57.649 --> 01:20:00.439 and here at PNC only plats really are consent 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.710 So if it's not a public hearing by statute, then it's an 01:20:03.710 --> 01:20:05.960 individual consideration. Okay 01:20:07.060 --> 01:20:09.399 Answers your question. I got one thing I need to step in we 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.199 were going to call for recess 01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:14.340 Before we got into all this discussion, I think there was 01:20:14.340 --> 01:20:17.390 kind of came back. So I'm going to officially close our 01:20:17.390 --> 01:20:18.319 work session at 01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:22.000 523 and 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:24.000 Then we can continue our 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:27.800 Discussion off the record here on after our meeting is is 01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:29.720 work session wise is closed 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:37.569 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and 01:20:37.569 --> 01:20:41.399 zoning Commission meeting for September the 14th 2016 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:45.270 This meeting has been duly posted and we do have a quorum 01:20:45.270 --> 01:20:49.260 present and I will call our meeting to order at 637 01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:52.279 Make sure everybody has their mics turned on 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:56.760 Our first order of business is to stand for the US and the 01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:57.720 Texas flag 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:14.039 Justice 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.239 We have one housekeeping item here before 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:43.520 We get into our agenda. We have two new commission members 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:44.659 that are joining us tonight 01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:47.710 That's part of the reason we're a little bit late getting 01:21:47.710 --> 01:21:49.819 started not we had a commission member 01:21:49.819 --> 01:21:52.369 That's two commission members that have rolled off and we 01:21:52.369 --> 01:21:53.439 have we'd like to thank 01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:57.779 Both of them miss amber Bruegel and mr. Frank Dudowitz for 01:21:57.779 --> 01:22:01.579 their service and we now have two new commissioners that 01:22:01.579 --> 01:22:01.800 have 01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:05.590 Joined us. Mr. Sullivan and this Ellis that are gonna be 01:22:05.590 --> 01:22:08.529 new commissioners with us going forward welcome and thank 01:22:08.529 --> 01:22:09.520 you for your service 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:12.520 You 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:16.079 Move to our second item that is back on our agenda, which 01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:17.239 is going to be our 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.760 Minutes for our last meetings. I'll have an announcement on 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:25.960 the first one, which is the August the 10th minutes 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.189 That's going to be continued to our next meeting and so the 01:22:29.189 --> 01:22:32.350 only item that we'll be looking for a motion on is going to 01:22:32.350 --> 01:22:32.920 be our 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:35.300 August the 24th minutes this evening 01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:37.960 Commissioner Taylor, I 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.319 Move approval of our August 24th minutes 01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.399 Commissioner back. I second that I 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:47.600 Have a first and a second any discussion or questions 01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:51.399 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board 01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:11.319 Motion carries four to zero 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.789 That moves us to our third item this evening which is going 01:23:15.789 --> 01:23:17.760 to be our consent agenda 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:24.920 Commissioner back I move we approve the consent agenda 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:31.319 Second 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:34.649 Commissioner Taylor second. Okay move approval for our 01:23:34.649 --> 01:23:38.739 motion for approval of the consent agenda any discussion or 01:23:38.739 --> 01:23:40.000 questions on them 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.159 Seeing none a call for a vote on the board 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:03.319 Motion carries six to zero 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.239 Motion carries six to zero 01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.510 Move us to our item for our items for individual 01:24:16.510 --> 01:24:17.960 consideration 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:27.689 Our first item will be item a ADP 16 - 0 0 7 I'll call on 01:24:27.689 --> 01:24:29.600 Mike Bell for presentation 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:34.319 Thank you chair 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:39.920 This presentation is for ADP 16 7 01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:43.470 For the project name is the pecan Creek Business Park. I 01:24:43.470 --> 01:24:46.359 went through the details and the work session 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:48.470 So I'll give you kind of summary the high points here in 01:24:48.470 --> 01:24:49.319 this presentation 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:51.140 And then I'll let the applicant come up and speak to the 01:24:51.140 --> 01:24:51.939 application as well 01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:55.500 So this is a request for an alternative development plan to 01:24:55.500 --> 01:24:59.020 allow construction of an office development on Dutchess 01:24:59.020 --> 01:24:59.520 Drive 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:03.600 And the ADP request is just for site design standards the 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:05.750 use is permitted the zoning allows that the property has 01:25:05.750 --> 01:25:06.359 been platted 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:08.560 It's a purely a site design request 01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:13.239 Subject property is located on the north side of Dutchess 01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:15.199 Drive see here in yellow 01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.449 This is loop 288 to the east and McKinney Drive up further 01:25:18.449 --> 01:25:19.000 to the north 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:22.489 And the property is own community makes use general which 01:25:22.489 --> 01:25:24.359 again does allow an office use 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:30.050 This is the proposed site plan for the development as part 01:25:30.050 --> 01:25:32.810 of this request there are two requested deviations from the 01:25:32.810 --> 01:25:34.680 site design criterion subject to 13 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:37.359 The first is that per code? 01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:40.199 Parking lots must be located to the side or rear of the 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:42.880 building the applicants requesting to put it in the front 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:46.689 As you can see the site does have a weird unique shape to 01:25:46.689 --> 01:25:46.920 it 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.140 That makes meaning that criteria kind of difficult so what 01:25:51.140 --> 01:25:54.939 they've done instead is provided a front central parking 01:25:54.939 --> 01:25:55.760 that's circular and 01:25:57.840 --> 01:25:59.840 Fronted both buildings on that parking drive 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.560 The second request is that per the code they're required to 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:04.840 have 57 spaces 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:08.170 They're proposing 101 by code they could have that they did 01:26:08.170 --> 01:26:09.560 them in permeable paving 01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:12.670 What they're requesting to do instead is to direct that 01:26:12.670 --> 01:26:15.760 water from those additional spaces into the parking lot 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:16.319 islands 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:19.720 Both here and here 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:22.170 And I did confirm with Deborah beer that the square footage 01:26:22.170 --> 01:26:23.039 that we're treating 01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:25.649 With this proposal is actually more than they would have 01:26:25.649 --> 01:26:28.199 done if those spaces were permeable parking spaces 01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:30.189 So we're in the net we're getting an improvement with this 01:26:30.189 --> 01:26:32.579 plan, then we would if they had met code and done permeable 01:26:32.579 --> 01:26:32.960 paving 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:37.319 Again this is just purely 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:39.720 Not part of the request just for back of information. This 01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:41.439 is the building they're proposing to build 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.239 on the north side 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:48.720 Attached as a landscape plan there will be a type C buffer 01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:52.390 15 feet 6 trees and 25 shrubs every hundred feet on the 01:26:52.390 --> 01:26:54.960 north side to buffer from the apartment complex 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:58.819 Street trees and there will have the appropriate screening 01:26:58.819 --> 01:27:00.520 along the parking lot 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.279 They are planning to build the site in two phases 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:07.409 This color being the first phase and the second phase will 01:27:07.409 --> 01:27:11.590 be the additional building in the circular drive at a later 01:27:11.590 --> 01:27:12.319 date 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:17.149 Here are stated the five or two criteria for approval of an 01:27:17.149 --> 01:27:19.439 alternative development plan. I've outlined those in your 01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:19.840 backup 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:21.880 I'd be happy to go through them if you wish 01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:25.750 With that staff is going to recommend approval with three 01:27:25.750 --> 01:27:26.319 conditions 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.220 One that the site plan or that the proposed element shall 01:27:29.220 --> 01:27:32.199 comply with the site plan landscape pan landscape plan and 01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:33.420 phasing plan as presented 01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:36.659 That the primary building material for office odd shall be 01:27:36.659 --> 01:27:39.600 brick or masonry and third that the proposed building shall 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:40.579 be constructed with the same 01:27:40.579 --> 01:27:43.670 Or similar architectural design to promote the office 01:27:43.670 --> 01:27:45.439 campus aesthetic and character 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:48.159 With that I would like to turn it over to the afghan. He'll 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:49.520 make a quick presentation 01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.449 Thank you Mike good evening, I'm Lee Allison with Allison 01:27:58.449 --> 01:27:59.279 engineering group 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:03.979 4401 North Interstate 35 Denton with me this evening is 01:28:03.979 --> 01:28:06.399 Kent Key the owner developer and 01:28:07.239 --> 01:28:11.079 Lance Holder project engineer from Allison engineering. I 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:13.399 appreciate everything that Mike said 01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:16.250 I think he gave a great overview. There were some things 01:28:16.250 --> 01:28:18.039 brought up earlier. I'd like to address 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:21.970 Someone had asked about the parking to the property to the 01:28:21.970 --> 01:28:24.439 north and the use of pervious pavers 01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:27.899 I don't know about that site in specific other than it is 01:28:27.899 --> 01:28:29.960 an apartment complex and 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:33.119 Subject to the same rules if they had needed 01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.470 Additional parking spaces. I assume they would have asked 01:28:36.470 --> 01:28:38.399 for them and come through a similar process 01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:42.079 One of the concerns or issues that we have with parking 01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:46.399 spaces is the code seems to be short on providing 01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:47.199 sufficient 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.439 parking spaces for offices 01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:52.350 Apartments tend to actually be a little long usually they 01:28:52.350 --> 01:28:54.380 're asking for less not for more spaces 01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:57.359 Shopping spinners you can't give them enough 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.880 You know how to doesn't matter what the code says 01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:03.340 But doctors offices and other places seem to be right 01:29:03.340 --> 01:29:06.199 online. I know for example our office 01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:09.949 that's that's under permitting right now, we've got a 4000 01:29:09.949 --> 01:29:11.159 square foot office and 01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:15.850 Allowed something like 12 10 or 12 parking spaces. We're 01:29:15.850 --> 01:29:17.880 gonna have 17 employees there 01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:21.699 You know plus we need guests so and I understand staff is 01:29:21.699 --> 01:29:24.359 looking at the code and the parking regulations 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:27.239 And I appreciate that and that's one of the things that's 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:28.000 driving this 01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:31.220 So being an apartment complex my guess is they probably 01:29:31.220 --> 01:29:33.880 were looking for less spaces to begin with not more not 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:35.000 needing the purveyors 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.510 There are three items on here that we're trying to address 01:29:38.510 --> 01:29:39.399 with this ADP 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:43.409 One is front door orientation. I think staff may have 01:29:43.409 --> 01:29:45.619 agreed that this meets the code 01:29:45.619 --> 01:29:48.250 But that's one thing that comes up very very often and we 01:29:48.250 --> 01:29:51.640 want to make sure that this ADP addresses that and it's 01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:52.000 clear 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:53.720 And we don't have any issues 01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:57.010 With that in this regards the other has to do with parking 01:29:57.010 --> 01:30:00.039 spaces and we're trying to address that in two ways 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:04.060 One and I don't have the numbers immediately in front of me 01:30:04.060 --> 01:30:07.260 is our landscape area on this site is 01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:09.640 significantly more than the minimum required 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:12.880 So therefore our pervious coverage 01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:16.989 Even without pervious pavers is significantly less than the 01:30:16.989 --> 01:30:21.159 maximum allowed. So we're really addressing drainage by not 01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:24.600 covering any more of the territory than we could otherwise 01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:25.159 and 01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:29.640 secondly as Mike mentioned the areas in yellow on this site 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:29.880 are 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.560 Landscape areas and they've been built as a depression 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.270 And you can kind of see on here a couple of dark lines 01:30:37.270 --> 01:30:38.720 going to each one of those 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:42.119 Those are storm drains and that is designed so that we can 01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:45.640 take the water quality runoff from the blue areas 01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.239 Hold it in those yellow areas for 24 hours to allow for 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:52.199 treatment and settling and to prevent any kind of 01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:55.510 Contamination coming from those so that's another way. We 01:30:55.510 --> 01:30:58.439 're addressing it one thing we could have done 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:02.840 Pardon me, but we chose not to for many reasons is 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.159 Particularly those spaces alongside the building 01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:09.409 We could have tried to cover those or something then those 01:31:09.409 --> 01:31:11.279 wouldn't accounted towards our parking spaces 01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:14.369 So and attach them to the building but this seems to make 01:31:14.369 --> 01:31:16.000 more sense and is more obvious 01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:18.949 Another thing we've done that I don't know that it helps 01:31:18.949 --> 01:31:22.069 alleviate the parking spaces is we've provided two very 01:31:22.069 --> 01:31:23.199 significant 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:28.039 Bicycle racks in the area of the circular drive to the back 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:29.159 not the one in the front 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:33.760 With the idea that in the future if if bicycle traffic 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:34.779 should pick up 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:39.970 165 days out of the year. There's the ability to convert 01:31:39.970 --> 01:31:43.840 parking spaces into bicycle racks if needed and 01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:48.600 I'm drawing a blank for a second 01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:54.199 Purvious pavers and the 01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:57.800 Front door facing 01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:01.239 And I'm trying to remember the other item we're trying to 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:02.720 care I'm sorry I should park 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:06.340 Parking in front. Yeah, obviously the most obvious one of 01:32:06.340 --> 01:32:06.800 all and 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:11.050 This is another one that we hope staff is looking into in 01:32:11.050 --> 01:32:14.300 particularly instances in this we think it accentuates the 01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:14.579 site 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:17.159 It's a great way to bring visitors in it makes it more 01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:19.960 attractive. It helps work with the 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:24.619 Theme that we're trying to develop out here. I hope you got 01:32:24.619 --> 01:32:27.000 in your packet a backup copy of the 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:31.140 Conceptual site plan we're trying to do for the entire park 01:32:31.140 --> 01:32:32.039 in this area 01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:35.600 I don't know that it's big enough to make a legacy park 01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:38.279 But a legacy park template may be places to bring this 01:32:38.279 --> 01:32:41.000 building is going to be the Denton record Chronicle 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:44.159 There's another building in town Sally Beauty supply 01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:46.880 We want a place in Denton to try and bring those kind of 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:50.000 entities and the rest of the park will will help accept 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:50.439 that 01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:53.319 With that that's all I have at this time 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.300 Be glad to respond any questions and if need be Kent or 01:32:57.300 --> 01:33:00.779 Lance can help address some as well. Yes, sir 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:03.279 Commissioner Tyler 01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:05.520 Thank You chair 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:08.319 Excuse me 01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:10.630 I'm impressed by this. This is a this is a pretty cool 01:33:10.630 --> 01:33:12.079 project. It's interesting to see 01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.079 round parking lots, I think 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:17.000 Denton 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:19.699 one characteristic of Denton especially in the older 01:33:19.699 --> 01:33:22.739 neighborhoods is there is a there's a mix of architectures 01:33:22.739 --> 01:33:23.760 and styles and and 01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:26.279 Whether it's extremely straight 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:30.939 rectangular, you know mid-century modern or you know a more 01:33:30.939 --> 01:33:31.840 eclectic mix 01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:35.060 So it's I think it's pretty pretty unusual to see the the 01:33:35.060 --> 01:33:37.199 curved and circular parking 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.399 That that makes it a little bit different than the straight 01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:43.380 grids that you that we see in most projects. I 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:45.520 have a 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:49.439 Just an academic question first. What is the term for this 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:51.840 type of runoff through? 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:53.920 the 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.119 Median area area. I know that there's got to be some way of 01:33:57.119 --> 01:33:59.119 just like just naming it 01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:05.050 Anybody we have just typically called it water quality run 01:34:05.050 --> 01:34:05.479 off 01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:09.960 There's no it's storm water runoff. It's just going through 01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:13.699 a water quality treatment pretreatment type system. That'll 01:34:13.699 --> 01:34:14.800 catch it. There is a 01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:18.159 box culvert that runs along 01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:21.590 The east side of the property north to south underneath 01:34:21.590 --> 01:34:24.550 that row of parking and everything these pipes will connect 01:34:24.550 --> 01:34:25.239 into it 01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:27.640 right and I 01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.600 Just had a few questions. I'm sure there's probably a 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:31.239 technical answer 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:35.640 Why don't all of the parking spaces drain into the the 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:36.920 water quality? 01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:39.560 median areas 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:42.439 Because of the topography of the land and the ability to 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.189 put great inlets in the parking lot and captured in a way 01:34:45.189 --> 01:34:45.760 without flooding 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:48.939 The parking lot so I guess the blue areas grade to the 01:34:48.939 --> 01:34:51.479 yellow and then the white or gray areas 01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:55.619 Grade away from the if I can point it out to the north this 01:34:55.619 --> 01:34:55.880 which 01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:59.840 I'm not that good right. There's a great inlet 01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:02.949 So this area will go into that great inlet follow this 01:35:02.949 --> 01:35:04.399 storm drain along here 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:08.039 Another great area inlet here to pick up all of this area 01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:11.050 Then we have great inlets here and here that will pick up 01:35:11.050 --> 01:35:12.119 this area in this area 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:15.500 And all of these will tie into this box culvert that runs 01:35:15.500 --> 01:35:16.159 back here 01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:19.449 there's actually a concrete drainage channel back here that 01:35:19.449 --> 01:35:22.409 goes into an underground box culvert and goes out this 01:35:22.409 --> 01:35:23.119 location and 01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:26.600 Grades it's it's 01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:29.279 Gotta make it slope one way 01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:33.640 Right gotta make the water flow and at the same time these 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:35.199 areas really 01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:40.199 The water quality is only treat the inch and a half storm 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:43.689 If we have a hundred year storm these will fill up and they 01:35:43.689 --> 01:35:46.079 'll overflow and go into those great inlets 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:51.020 And one more thing so normally we don't really care too 01:35:51.020 --> 01:35:52.880 much about the details of the site plan but in this case 01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:56.189 We're as a condition of the ADP. We would make the site 01:35:56.189 --> 01:35:56.880 plan binding is 01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.920 Is two dumpsters enough? 01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:04.119 Service for both buildings seems like it's a pretty large 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:08.100 square footage for one recycling one trash dumpster 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.100 Right now based on the uses we believe it is we are going 01:36:12.100 --> 01:36:13.319 with the largest dumpsters 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:17.010 combination the city has including recycling and well as 01:36:17.010 --> 01:36:18.479 standard garbage I 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.600 wouldn't be surprised in these facilities if 01:36:22.399 --> 01:36:25.909 We might shouldn't go for a very large recycling and a very 01:36:25.909 --> 01:36:27.640 small garbage dumpster, but 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.329 That does we have here to serve the sizes on that. Yes. 01:36:31.329 --> 01:36:31.720 Okay. Thank you 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:37.689 Commissioner back. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Allison for 01:36:37.689 --> 01:36:37.920 your presentation 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:40.760 I've got a couple of things 01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:45.319 One is the idea that you're going from 01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:49.119 the required 57 parking spaces that this 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:52.840 Development allows to 101 and I was able to talk with you 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:55.640 briefly in the work session and you indicated that 01:36:56.079 --> 01:36:58.180 There's going to be that many employees there. This is 01:36:58.180 --> 01:36:59.880 going to be the record Chronicle building 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:03.329 That's going to require 101 parking places. Is that correct 01:37:03.329 --> 01:37:03.439 ? 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:05.039 Close 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:08.130 Okay, the first building is going to be the didn't record 01:37:08.130 --> 01:37:11.149 chronicling and based on the didn't record Chronicles 01:37:11.149 --> 01:37:12.479 employee requirements 01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:16.079 Plus a duplicate building on site of a similar use. We've 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:19.319 projected this total number of employees required 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:23.079 Okay, they're not all 101 for one building because then 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.479 we couldn't build the other because I was curious to 01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:29.470 often it's you know the other way around where the 01:37:29.470 --> 01:37:30.920 developer doesn't necessarily want to 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:34.609 Build that many parking places because the cost itself 01:37:34.609 --> 01:37:35.640 exactly factor 01:37:35.640 --> 01:37:38.729 So I thought that was interesting. Okay that explains it 01:37:38.729 --> 01:37:41.510 now. I'd like to give you a little praise if I may this has 01:37:41.510 --> 01:37:41.800 been 01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.010 Appreciate that in there we need more of as much as we can 01:37:45.010 --> 01:37:47.739 get this is one been one of the most delightful narratives 01:37:47.739 --> 01:37:49.739 I think I've read basically 01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:53.359 Because you seem to be very friendly towards cycling and 01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:55.460 pedestrian and accommodating 01:37:57.319 --> 01:37:59.880 Hopefully will be a future mixed-use 01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.460 Trail coming down the road if I could just you know real 01:38:04.460 --> 01:38:06.840 briefly quote some of your comments that 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:10.270 Pedestrian friendliness is incorporated into the planning 01:38:10.270 --> 01:38:13.529 to provide for employment business interaction with local 01:38:13.529 --> 01:38:13.960 community 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:18.670 To further promote alternative means of transportation 01:38:18.670 --> 01:38:21.039 particularly bicycles we are providing spaces for 01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:24.649 18 bicycles which you mentioned if bicycle traffic 01:38:24.649 --> 01:38:26.850 increases you're willing to convert some of your parking 01:38:26.850 --> 01:38:28.819 cases for bicycle parking 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:32.239 But the one that really caught my eye here 01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:35.619 And this is probably goes to the developer is their desire 01:38:35.619 --> 01:38:37.359 to work with the city parks and recreation 01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:40.960 And the planning to develop a localized activity trail 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:44.949 system that it really ties into the citywide system. That's 01:38:44.949 --> 01:38:45.100 good 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:49.439 It was briefly mentioned that the city has conceptually 01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:52.319 anyway thought of a trail along there. It's 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:55.039 Not gone any further than that 01:38:55.079 --> 01:38:57.529 But this would be a great area for it and the fact that y' 01:38:57.529 --> 01:39:00.239 all are coming in and developing this area may encourage 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:00.800 that to move 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:04.630 A lot quicker so I high praise for you on that. Thank you. 01:39:04.630 --> 01:39:06.840 I'd like to pass most of that on to Kent Key who's been a 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:10.739 High school graduate here and longtime developer, and this 01:39:10.739 --> 01:39:12.060 is his vision and dreams 01:39:12.060 --> 01:39:14.369 My only contribution to the whole thing was a circular 01:39:14.369 --> 01:39:15.159 parking like this 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:19.640 I'll take credit for that but other than that it's all my 01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:20.720 thanks to Mr. Key 01:39:21.720 --> 01:39:23.720 Thanks, sir 01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:28.880 I've seen no other questions. Thank you. Thank you 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:40.199 Well, I was going to make a couple of comments if nobody 01:39:40.199 --> 01:39:43.520 else says anything 01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:51.319 You have something else wait, I'm sorry I do 01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:55.359 May need some help getting to the phasing 01:39:56.319 --> 01:40:00.350 In that one thing that has come up is we would really like 01:40:00.350 --> 01:40:03.359 to be able to build the circular parking lot in the first 01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:03.640 phase 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:07.170 We've got building permits in the yellow part the first 01:40:07.170 --> 01:40:07.840 phase now 01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:11.109 But in order to enhance the site and to bring guests into 01:40:11.109 --> 01:40:12.399 the record Chronicle 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:15.489 They've and to make the site more attractive to attract 01:40:15.489 --> 01:40:18.239 another building there. They'd like to go ahead with that 01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:19.199 circular parking lot 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:21.909 during the first phase we still got to get the design 01:40:21.909 --> 01:40:24.079 turned in and get building permits, but that would be a 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.510 Difference in what is the phasing you might say three 01:40:27.510 --> 01:40:28.039 phases? 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.039 phase one phase 1a and 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:33.609 Then the phase to be in the other building and the 01:40:33.609 --> 01:40:35.239 remainder of parking places 01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:40.289 Me as for clarification from staff and our ability is to do 01:40:40.289 --> 01:40:41.279 that at this time 01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:44.640 Or we've got to do something different to be able to modify 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:45.760 that as presented 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:50.119 Well the ADP 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:52.359 the ADP reflects that 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:55.439 If you look at there even the recommendation that this 01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:58.909 Development whether it's phased or not will comply with 01:40:58.909 --> 01:41:02.119 these elements of it. I believe you submitted permit for 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:02.859 which phase 01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.520 The yellow phase phase and you want to go ahead and include 01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:08.680 part of the blue into the yellow 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:11.439 So to speak as part of your building permits that it 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:14.819 shouldn't be an issue. However, what is the status of the 01:41:14.819 --> 01:41:15.880 other building? 01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:19.130 The second building phase to write because you're overall 01:41:19.130 --> 01:41:21.619 you're comprehensive. Are you trying to do all your parking 01:41:21.619 --> 01:41:22.600 in one time? 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:24.319 Not all of it 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:27.409 There's some other parking in blue along the drive to the 01:41:27.409 --> 01:41:29.979 back that would definitely wait for the second place 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:31.920 We're only talking about regardless here 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:34.399 You're requesting an ADP as it relates to the configuration 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:37.760 of the of the parking in front of the building as well as 01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:38.279 the other 01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:40.880 Elements that you're requesting so it should not impact we 01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:42.880 can address that at time of building permit 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:45.560 Yeah, it's just strictly phasing. It's not 01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:48.079 It's not configuration 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:50.760 So we can deal with that here and move the 01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:54.720 Application for it as it's presented tonight 01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:57.029 I would got a clarification. I wouldn't make one 01:41:57.029 --> 01:41:57.600 clarification 01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:00.229 I didn't make that as part of my condition and condition 01:42:00.229 --> 01:42:02.760 number one that would be complied with the phasing plan 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:05.880 So I recommend striking phasing plan from that recommended 01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:07.199 condition. Okay 01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:12.520 All right, well that was going to be my comment before 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:15.920 Hopefully we get a motion. I wanted to make sure the 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.649 applicant was okay with the three conditions that are put 01:42:18.649 --> 01:42:19.720 on here for approval 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.920 So we will be amending the phasing plan out on city's 01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:26.000 recommendation 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.420 I had one small clarification if you want to pull back up 01:42:29.420 --> 01:42:30.920 the phasing plan 01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:34.319 and it may become 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:37.279 Depending on how this is going to be done 01:42:37.279 --> 01:42:41.750 I noticed that there's a ADA space that's shown in phase 01:42:41.750 --> 01:42:43.920 one against the proposed 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.359 second building 01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:50.000 And if the second building is not built for whatever reason 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:53.779 There's not a way to use that ADA space to get over to 01:42:53.779 --> 01:42:55.000 building number one 01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:58.510 That may be taken care of if we're going to split this up 01:42:58.510 --> 01:43:00.800 and include the circle drive that there would be 01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:04.279 sidewalk or something to utilize that second ADA 01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:07.859 Space because then they just have one ADA space that's 01:43:07.859 --> 01:43:09.500 accessible to that building number one 01:43:09.500 --> 01:43:12.590 But that's more of a housekeeping item. I think probably 01:43:12.590 --> 01:43:13.119 for you all 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:17.270 Sure, yeah, that's that's why our condition we say 01:43:17.270 --> 01:43:18.119 substantially complies 01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:20.329 We can make those minor tweaks to the site plan as we need 01:43:20.329 --> 01:43:22.239 to have building permit. Okay, perfect 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.470 Well with that I'm going to make a motion for approval of 01:43:27.470 --> 01:43:28.239 this item 01:43:29.039 --> 01:43:31.960 Subject to the three criteria that are listed in our backup 01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:36.600 With the correction of removing the phasing plan in the 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:40.800 attached exhibits on on the condition number one 01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:51.079 Second Commissioner Ellis second. I have a first and a 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:53.000 second any discussion 01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:02.399 Seeing none will call for a vote on the board 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:04.680 I 01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:18.600 Motion carries six to zero 01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:25.600 Thank you, good luck on your project 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:29.039 Moves us to 01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:31.460 Our agenda items number five, which is going to be our 01:44:31.460 --> 01:44:33.000 public hearing section tonight 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:38.960 I'm going to open the public hearing for item a fr 16 - 01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:41.600 zero zero one eight at this time and 01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:44.760 I'm going to ask 01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:48.159 Haley to present that out of course, please 01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:01.479 Okay 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:04.000 Yes, so this is 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:07.289 agenda item fr 16 zero zero one eight. It's a replant of 01:45:07.289 --> 01:45:08.880 the Ryan companies edition 01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:11.590 The property is located on the west side of town off of 01:45:11.590 --> 01:45:14.750 Dakota Lane. It is currently developed with an industrial 01:45:14.750 --> 01:45:15.119 use on 01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:16.199 This northern portion of the property here and their 01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:16.350 proposal is to split what was one lot of record into two 01:45:16.350 --> 01:45:23.159 lots to divide 01:45:24.439 --> 01:45:27.170 This other piece here along Dakota Lane for further 01:45:27.170 --> 01:45:29.680 commercial use and I'll answer any questions 01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:36.680 Don't see me. Thank you 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:41.000 This is a public hearing anyone who would like to come 01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:43.119 speak on this item, please come forward at this time 01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:45.119 I do not have any cards 01:45:46.039 --> 01:45:48.039 Before me on this item 01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:56.439 I 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:09.119 There's anybody that would like to speak on this item, 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:13.000 please come forward at this time 01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:21.960 Seeing none I will close the public hearing and I will open 01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:25.359 This item up for discussion or emotion 01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:28.479 commissioner back 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:34.920 I move that we approve this item. Okay, I 01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:40.539 Think we've got a clarification on a housekeeping item 01:46:40.539 --> 01:46:40.800 record 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:46.119 Okay, all right 01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:50.340 The item won't affect our ability to vote on this right now 01:46:50.340 --> 01:46:53.340 . So we have a first the chair would entertain a second 01:46:53.340 --> 01:46:54.039 commissioner Taylor 01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:56.039 second the first and a second 01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:02.359 For approval is there any discussion on this item? 01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:07.420 Seeing none we have a first and a second for approval and I 01:47:07.420 --> 01:47:10.239 will call for a vote on the board 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:19.920 Got you 01:47:22.279 --> 01:47:24.560 Motion carries six to zero I 01:47:26.239 --> 01:47:30.060 Will move us to our public hearing item B. I will open that 01:47:30.060 --> 01:47:33.420 item for public hearing it will be Z 01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:35.119 16 - 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:38.960 0 0 1 7 and we've Haley will present that as well 01:47:47.239 --> 01:47:49.239 Yes 01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:55.760 So this is a zoning case for the st. John Paul II 01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:59.760 University pastoral Center 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:03.229 Presented the full case earlier in the work session. So I 01:48:03.229 --> 01:48:05.359 'll just do a summary now unless there are any questions 01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:07.359 I'd be glad to go through the rest of the presentation 01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:10.319 So the property is located on the east side of McCormick 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:11.840 Street just south of Eagle Drive 01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:14.630 Just just south of the University of North Texas campus 01:48:14.630 --> 01:48:16.960 currently it is zoned dr. 1 01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:20.390 That's downtown residential 1 and the proposal is to rezone 01:48:20.390 --> 01:48:23.039 it to a downtown residential 2 zoning district 01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:25.510 It's comprised of three lots that are all owned by the 01:48:25.510 --> 01:48:27.000 Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth 01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:30.470 Their plan is to replant these as one lot and develop it as 01:48:30.470 --> 01:48:33.960 a pastoral Center for primary use by students on campus 01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:39.100 and after considering this staff found that the dr2 01:48:39.100 --> 01:48:41.659 district conforms with the future land use designation for 01:48:41.659 --> 01:48:43.380 this area which is neighborhood university 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:46.289 Compatibility area and it's also consistent with the 01:48:46.289 --> 01:48:49.319 surrounding mix of uses of the property and the surrounding 01:48:49.319 --> 01:48:50.840 mix of zoning districts 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:53.680 Which are all in the downtown residential grouping of zon 01:48:53.680 --> 01:48:57.760 ings. So with that in mind, we recommend approval of z 16 0 01:48:57.760 --> 01:48:58.500 0 1 7 01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:02.359 Any questions for Haley? 01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:07.039 Soon on thank you 01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:16.319 So we have one card 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:20.470 Wishing to speak on this particular item. It may be a 01:49:20.470 --> 01:49:21.399 missed mark 01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:25.520 We'll go ahead and call for Lee Allison if he would like to 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:26.960 speak on this item 01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:29.960 Otherwise, I will hold his card 01:49:30.720 --> 01:49:33.029 Again, this is a public hearing. Is there anyone else that 01:49:33.029 --> 01:49:35.479 would like to speak on this item at this time? 01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:35.840 If so, please come forward and state your name and address 01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:41.039 and you'll have four minutes 01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:47.000 Seeing none I'll close the public hearing and 01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:50.520 The chair will entertain a motion or open for discussion 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:53.520 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. I had a 01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:56.470 Couple of questions in work session. I was wondering if the 01:49:56.470 --> 01:49:59.600 applicant might be present they could address our 01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:05.039 if you could if you don't mind coming down to the mic and I 01:50:05.359 --> 01:50:10.039 Was curious if this project will also use the property on 01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:10.800 Avenue a 01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:13.640 Which I believe is also owned by the diocese 01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.520 If you will, please state your name and address 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:19.760 Craig Bond with the KJE. We're the civil engineer on the 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:22.869 project and we're looking at 500 Mosley Road and Crossroads 01:50:22.869 --> 01:50:24.520 . Great. Thank you, sir, but 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:27.960 To my knowledge 01:50:27.960 --> 01:50:31.050 Those two properties. I understand that it's a small chapel 01:50:31.050 --> 01:50:31.880 and some offices 01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:36.399 But could we get the map up is somebody listening that can 01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:37.720 turn on the map on the screen? 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:42.750 Which have the two existing lots are like nine and ten that 01:50:42.750 --> 01:50:46.649 are to the northeast and that's where the small chapel is 01:50:46.649 --> 01:50:46.960 the small offices 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:50.090 But you know, we don't have anything to do with that at 01:50:50.090 --> 01:50:51.359 least from the civil standpoint 01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:55.050 Okay, so our task was to take those three residential lots 01:50:55.050 --> 01:50:58.119 get them replatted and then you know, lay out the parish 01:50:58.119 --> 01:50:58.279 center 01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:01.640 So at this time there's not any plan to connect back 01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:04.119 through the back of the lot into that other property 01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:06.750 Not that I'm aware of at one time we were trying to replat 01:51:06.750 --> 01:51:07.800 all five lots, but 01:51:08.439 --> 01:51:11.000 There was some issue with the we weren't going to be 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:14.039 allowed the number of drives that we needed 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:18.279 So they abandoned that and just replatted the three lots. 01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:19.000 Thank you 01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:28.670 Again we've closed the public hearing so if there's other 01:51:28.670 --> 01:51:31.560 discussion of Commissioner Taylor 01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:33.800 Thank you chair 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:38.609 I would like to make a couple comments and make a motion so 01:51:38.609 --> 01:51:40.119 this area if you look at the zoning map is 01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:44.500 Really checkerboarded this this block and the blocks 01:51:44.500 --> 01:51:47.560 immediately to the south and to the to the west 01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:52.319 Every block has one parcel that doesn't match any other 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:54.359 parcel that touches it in zoning the 01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:57.479 There you know a roughly one-third 01:51:58.039 --> 01:52:01.159 DCN and DCG one third ddr1 and dr2 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:05.159 and this area is probably 01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:09.020 All appropriate as dr2 and some of it would be appropriate 01:52:09.020 --> 01:52:09.880 as DCN or DCG 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:13.000 And so I think this is something that 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:16.159 We need to clean up as a city to have more consistent 01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:16.680 zoning 01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:20.220 There's one lot at the end of this little street. That's DC 01:52:20.220 --> 01:52:21.800 G which would allow 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:27.000 a 20 story apartment building on a 50 foot wide lot and 01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:30.430 Then it's surrounded by dr1 which would be single family 01:52:30.430 --> 01:52:32.939 homes or maybe a garage apartment behind a single family 01:52:32.939 --> 01:52:33.239 home 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:37.460 And so this this rezone helps make this area more 01:52:37.460 --> 01:52:38.439 consistent 01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:41.239 and you know this 01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:42.359 there 01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:45.689 Is very little that you could do in dr2 here that would be 01:52:45.689 --> 01:52:48.439 inappropriate for the campus affected area 01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:50.840 So I I move approval 01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:54.649 To in order to and I would love to see some more rezones 01:52:54.649 --> 01:52:55.960 come up in this area 01:52:56.520 --> 01:53:00.039 so that we can make this a consistent zoning and allow 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:04.850 planning not lot by lot but area, you know in the entire 01:53:04.850 --> 01:53:06.840 region in the entire zone of the city 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.399 Commissioner back 01:53:13.800 --> 01:53:15.800 Go ahead and bring in 01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:18.600 I'm seconding the motion. Okay 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:21.960 If I first and second I'm open the floor for discussion 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:24.520 Yes, so I'm 01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:26.520 Mr. Hedgepest. Thank you chair 01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:28.119 I 01:53:28.119 --> 01:53:31.579 I wanted to echo something that came up in work session as 01:53:31.579 --> 01:53:31.880 well 01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:34.279 I think Commissioner Ellis makes a good point 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:37.930 As and I guess it's a conversation for us and for staff as 01:53:37.930 --> 01:53:38.920 we move forward 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:41.479 Assuming it passes 01:53:41.479 --> 01:53:45.000 I want to have special attention paid to traffic and 01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:49.560 How we're going to manage that the extra cars or or 01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:52.199 whatever falls underneath our control 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.579 Because I think that's going to be I have a sense. That's a 01:53:56.579 --> 01:53:56.840 concern 01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:00.130 And so I want to make sure we we're sensitive to that in 01:54:00.130 --> 01:54:01.880 the in the planning phases 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:04.199 Assuming it moves forward 01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:07.789 Just for clarification, I think we talked about that in 01:54:07.789 --> 01:54:09.479 work session that with this rezoning 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.970 The criteria for parking they will have to stay within that 01:54:12.970 --> 01:54:14.600 and if for some reason they need more parking 01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:18.340 They'll have to come back here to to get additional parking 01:54:18.340 --> 01:54:19.399 through an adp. So 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:23.670 I think that concern is addressed with this rezoning. So 01:54:23.670 --> 01:54:25.000 thank you for bringing that back up 01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:27.560 Would you like to follow up? Well, yes 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:30.359 Yes, and I may be 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:34.359 On thin ice so I'll talk slow so y'all tell me stop but 01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:36.439 even even if it's a street sign 01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:40.039 Or something like that, you know, I think if we have to 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:44.680 Manage ins and outs. Let's let's do that. Okay. Thank you 01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:47.560 Commissioner Beck 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:52.520 Thank you chair and I don't want to downplay the concern 01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:54.279 for parking it is a legitimate concern 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:57.760 I just wanted to I get a sense though that a lot of the 01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.920 traffic here is probably going to be pedestrian and cycling 01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:02.760 This is for students 01:55:02.760 --> 01:55:05.659 And I think the majority of people that are going to come 01:55:05.659 --> 01:55:08.220 to this place are going to be walking from the camps to do 01:55:08.220 --> 01:55:08.439 that 01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:11.250 So but again not downplay the need for parking. Obviously 01:55:11.250 --> 01:55:12.760 there's going to be staff and 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:15.800 We needed for that. So that's all I have 01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:18.439 great 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:22.449 Seeing no other discussion. I have a first and a second for 01:55:22.449 --> 01:55:25.180 approval and call for a vote on the board 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:49.460 The motion carries six to zero we'll move us to our final 01:55:49.460 --> 01:55:51.880 item on our agenda this evening the 01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:54.699 project matrix and concluding items 01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:10.520 No items this evening 01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:15.720 The list isn't going to get longer, okay 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:20.069 Well with no additional concluding items or things to be 01:56:20.069 --> 01:56:21.800 put on our project matrix 01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:25.640 I will close our meeting at 7 12 this evening. Thank you 01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:26.300 very much